From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 1 13:09:33 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:09:33 -0500 Subject: CD-RW Message-ID: <47C9558D.6010401@chrisaitken.net> I bought a spindle of CD-RWs. I didn't mind that they are more expensive than CD-Rs because I'll get to us them over and over. However, K3B is giving me messages that since it is CD-RW I won't be able to play them in my home or car stereo. And guess what? They are right - I can't. The only home stereo I can play it in is my newset one (that bosts mp3 compatibility - not that I'm speaking only about mp3 - I'm also talking about wav and ogg). I have to burn a CD to send to RPM today and I want it to be able to play in anything they throw it in. So, do I have to go out and buy CD-Rs again (then what good is the spindle of CD-RWs I bought)? And I am comparing apples and apples (the CD-Rs and CD-RWs are both Staples brand). Or is W2K/Cubasis doing something to the file to make it not work on any stereo (when I scp it to a linux box and burn it with K3B)? I have to use W2K/Cubasis for now - tried (off and on) for five months to get the emu1212m pci card initialized under linux with only partial success. Any suggestions. Just so we're clear: when I burn CD-Rs in K3B they play in anything. When I create a wav from W2K/Cubasis, then copy it to another (dual-boot ubuntu/W2K computer), then boot the dual-boot computer to linux, scp the wav to the ubuntu computer with the CD burner, then burn the wav (and also the wav converted to mp3 and ogg using audio-convert) with K3B, the CD-RW will not play in my older home stereo or my car stereo. A long-term solution would be nice, but if you can suggest a short-term (workaround) I would appreciate it. I need to get this CD in the mail today. Thanks, Chris P.S. I wonder if K3B is being forced to play nice with the CPCC so that artists are renumerated /everytime/ a song is burned (not just everytime a CD-RW is purchased). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 1 13:43:20 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:43:20 -0500 Subject: CD-RW In-Reply-To: <47C9558D.6010401-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47C9558D.6010401@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47C95D78.5010308@rogers.com> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I bought a spindle of CD-RWs. I didn't mind that they are more > expensive than CD-Rs because I'll get to us them over and over. > However, K3B is giving me messages that since it is CD-RW I won't be > able to play them in my home or car stereo. And guess what? They are > right - I can't. The only home stereo I can play it in is my newset > one (that bosts mp3 compatibility - not that I'm speaking only about > mp3 - I'm also talking about wav and ogg). > > I have to burn a CD to send to RPM today and I want it to be able to > play in anything they throw it in. So, do I have to go out and buy > CD-Rs again (then what good is the spindle of CD-RWs I bought)? And I > am comparing apples and apples (the CD-Rs and CD-RWs are both Staples > brand). As you've discovered, it depends on the player. I used to have a DVD player that didn't like either CD-R or CD-RW, so I had to use an older CD player for the CD-R, but it still wouldn't work with CD-RW. My current DVD player has no problem with either and the user manual also says it's compatible with them. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 1 14:20:46 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:20:46 -0500 Subject: CD-RW In-Reply-To: <47C95D78.5010308-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47C9558D.6010401@chrisaitken.net> <47C95D78.5010308@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47C9663E.7050402@chrisaitken.net> James Knott wrote: > Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I bought a spindle of CD-RWs. I didn't mind that they are more >> expensive than CD-Rs because I'll get to us them over and over. >> However, K3B is giving me messages that since it is CD-RW I won't be >> able to play them in my home or car stereo. And guess what? They are >> right - I can't. The only home stereo I can play it in is my newset >> one (that bosts mp3 compatibility - not that I'm speaking only about >> mp3 - I'm also talking about wav and ogg). >> >> I have to burn a CD to send to RPM today and I want it to be able to >> play in anything they throw it in. So, do I have to go out and buy >> CD-Rs again (then what good is the spindle of CD-RWs I bought)? And I >> am comparing apples and apples (the CD-Rs and CD-RWs are both Staples >> brand). > > > As you've discovered, it depends on the player. Well, yeah, but some CD-Rs I've burned play on anything. I'm starting to shop songs around so I want to make sure the CDs I burn will play on anything. Teh one time some A&R decides to spin your CD you don't want it to fail in whatever CD player he throws it in. For instance, store-bought CDs will play in anything. Why? How can I get that consistency on CDs I burn? How can I burn CDs that won't "depend[] on the player"? Will I be safer with CD-Rs instead of CD-RWs? It seems so but I don't know so. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 1 14:54:58 2008 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:54:58 -0500 Subject: Sun-VirtualBox-MySQL Message-ID: <47C96E42.2080805@gmail.com> http://virtualbox.org/ Virtualbox is amazing. Innotek also was bought by Sun (and of course recently MySQL) Why does VirtualBox networking seems fine, but ping does not work? /teddy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 1 15:15:31 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:15:31 -0500 Subject: CD-RW In-Reply-To: <47C9663E.7050402-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47C9558D.6010401@chrisaitken.net> <47C95D78.5010308@rogers.com> <47C9663E.7050402@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > Will I be safer with CD-Rs instead of CD-RWs? It seems so > but I don't know so. There is useful information here that suggests a definite case of "safer with CD-Rs": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-RW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-R The surfaces of CD-RWs differ quite substantially, as, in order to support multiple burns, the materials need to be rather different from those used in CD-Rs. There may be old CD drives that can't read CD-Rs either, but they should be pretty rare, by now. Those that can't read CD-RWs are not nearly as rare, as you have evidently observed :-(. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 1 19:58:56 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:58:56 -0500 Subject: CD-RW In-Reply-To: <47C9663E.7050402-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47C9558D.6010401@chrisaitken.net> <47C95D78.5010308@rogers.com> <47C9663E.7050402@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47C9B580.7090406@rogers.com> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > James Knott wrote: >> >> As you've discovered, it depends on the player. > > Well, yeah, but some CD-Rs I've burned play on anything. I'm starting > to shop songs around so I want to make sure the CDs I burn will play > on anything. Teh one time some A&R decides to spin your CD you don't > want it to fail in whatever CD player he throws it in. For instance, > store-bought CDs will play in anything. Why? How can I get that > consistency on CDs I burn? How can I burn CDs that won't "depend[] on > the player"? Will I be safer with CD-Rs instead of CD-RWs? It seems so > but I don't know so. > You have to consider how the data is recorded on the disk. A CD-R is different from the commercial CDs and CD-RW is different again. If you want a disk to play on everything, then you go for a commercially made disk. Next best, is CD-R, but there's no guarantee it will play on any particular player. Of course, some media is better quality than others. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 1 21:10:13 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:10:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <47C84D83.7020808-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> <20080229153100.GX1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C829AD.3020203@rogers.com> <20080229164901.GY1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C84D83.7020808@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: James Knott | On my bill, it's $2.80/month. As I mentioned in another message, poverty | activists demanded a cheaper pulse line, regardless of any costs involved. | Also, IIRC, touch tones are not a tariffed item, so it's easier for Bell to | change the price. It's long past the time the CRTC should have rolled touch | tone dialing into basic service. There was a tariff proposal before the CRTC to do just that. Everyone would pay the $2.80. I and a horde of little old ladies wrote in to the CRTC to protest that we didn't want to pay for touch tone. The CRTC kept the existing regime. I doubt that it had anything to do with poverty activists. Poor folks cannot get pulse-only lines. Only folks that already have them. I would agree with eliminating the tariff, but not just adding it to everyones bill. Originally, touch-tone was a luxury, just like other features and long distance. As I understood it, CRTC wanted to subsidize basic service by overcharging on all the luxuries. That model is just plain broken. Mostly because of long-distance competition. If we had true local competition, the "features" would quickly fall to zero incremental price. When you have a monopoly, the price is determined by the value to (some portion of) the potential customers. When you have competition, the price is determined by the cost to provide the service. Guess which regime we are in. There are hybrid regimes like our semi-duopoly. I've advocated that a third wired digital pipe be installed in houses. Unfortunately, I can't argue that the third supplier would make tonnes of money, they would just drive down the prices of the first two pipes. Whoever installs this pipe needs to be paid the costs of installation, probably up-front. Something that our short-sighted consumers are loath to do. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 1 21:23:20 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:23:20 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> <20080229153100.GX1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C829AD.3020203@rogers.com> <20080229164901.GY1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C84D83.7020808@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47C9C948.7030100@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: James Knott > > | On my bill, it's $2.80/month. As I mentioned in another message, poverty > | activists demanded a cheaper pulse line, regardless of any costs involved. > | Also, IIRC, touch tones are not a tariffed item, so it's easier for Bell to > | change the price. It's long past the time the CRTC should have rolled touch > | tone dialing into basic service. > > There was a tariff proposal before the CRTC to do just that. Everyone > would pay the $2.80. I and a horde of little old ladies wrote in to > the CRTC to protest that we didn't want to pay for touch tone. The > CRTC kept the existing regime. > So, grandfather those little old ladies and the pulse lines. As the pulse lines get canceled, they're gone for good. > I doubt that it had anything to do with poverty activists. Poor folks > cannot get pulse-only lines. Only folks that already have them. > They do make a lot of noise, whenever it comes up. As I said above, grandfather the pulse lines at the old rate and make touch tone the new basic service. > I would agree with eliminating the tariff, but not just adding it to > everyones bill. > Once it's part of basic service, some adjustment will hopefully occur. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 1 23:47:46 2008 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:47:46 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <47C9C948.7030100-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47C9C948.7030100@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200803011847.46963.dbmacg@look.ca> Uh, ok. $2.80 a month. When Bell came through to install jacks for our phones, they took one look at the line of bookcases in front of our hard-wired Bell outlet, and left it that way. Later when they took us to touch-tone, that old pulse phone *always* worked. It still does. Uh, so since their switches work either with pulse or tone, what exactly is the tone charge for? I think they bill for what they can, and that has not too much to do with their costs. Many party lines in the north have pulse-dial phone, still. But touch tones will still work on them. Dunc On March 1, 2008 04:23:20 pm James Knott wrote: > D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > | From: James Knott > > | > > | On my bill, it's $2.80/month. As I mentioned in another message, > > | poverty activists demanded a cheaper pulse line, regardless of any > > | costs involved. Also, IIRC, touch tones are not a tariffed item, so > > | it's easier for Bell to change the price. It's long past the time the > > | CRTC should have rolled touch tone dialing into basic service. > > > > There was a tariff proposal before the CRTC to do just that. Everyone > > would pay the $2.80. I and a horde of little old ladies wrote in to > > the CRTC to protest that we didn't want to pay for touch tone. The > > CRTC kept the existing regime. > > So, grandfather those little old ladies and the pulse lines. As the > pulse lines get canceled, they're gone for good. > > > I doubt that it had anything to do with poverty activists. Poor folks > > cannot get pulse-only lines. Only folks that already have them. > > They do make a lot of noise, whenever it comes up. As I said above, > grandfather the pulse lines at the old rate and make touch tone the new > basic service. > > > I would agree with eliminating the tariff, but not just adding it to > > everyones bill. > > Once it's part of basic service, some adjustment will hopefully occur. -- Duncan MacGregor --- Toronto --- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 2 02:50:37 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 21:50:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <47C9C948.7030100-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> <20080229153100.GX1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C829AD.3020203@rogers.com> <20080229164901.GY1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C84D83.7020808@rogers.com> <47C9C948.7030100@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: James Knott | So, grandfather those little old ladies and the pulse lines. As the pulse | lines get canceled, they're gone for good. That's exactly what they did. Perhaps 15 years ago. Long enough that those little old ladies weren't old at the time :-). In other words, DTMF has been a mandatory option for a *long* time. Any kind of mandatory option is pretty annoying to customers, not just phone customers. The "network access charge" on cell phone bills smells like that. | > I doubt that it had anything to do with poverty activists. Poor folks | > cannot get pulse-only lines. Only folks that already have them. | > | | They do make a lot of noise, whenever it comes up. As I said above, | grandfather the pulse lines at the old rate Done, long ago. | and make touch tone the new basic | service. Not done. I guess that the CRTC cannot see charging folks different amounts for what is listed as the same service. | > I would agree with eliminating the tariff, but not just adding it to | > everyones bill. | > | Once it's part of basic service, some adjustment will hopefully occur. Like what? If 95% of customers pay the $2.80 a month now, do you think that Bell would accept anything other than 100% paying it? My motto: I'd rather be subsidized than subsidize. And that's what it is. I cost them more than a DTMF customer. They have put a block on my line to prevent me dialing with DTMF (I can switch to DTMF to get through menu systems after I dial the phone number). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 2 07:57:25 2008 From: gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Eric Battersby) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 02:57:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: capturing CBC Radio from an internet stream Message-ID: <20080302023745.P94070@vex.net> Hugh, I wanted to do something similar to you, but your mail got me thinking about, so I investigated further. On Sun, 17 Feb 2008, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > This has taken a bit to figure out. I hope some others find this > information useful. > > CBC Radio is streamed in two ways that I know about: > > - ogg vorbis: experimental. CBC Radio 1 in Toronto (only) > > - mms stream containing .wma. For each radio station. > > See http://www.cbc.ca/listen/index.html > > I would like to be able to report that ogg vorbis is the way to go, > but there are two problems: > > - every time try to capture an hour-long show, I find the stream is > broken off prematurely I have not used ogg vorbis before. I don't have any portable "MP3 players" that plays that format and I've had about 10 players in the past. I assume you are capturing it from: http://vorbis.nm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-toronto.ogg How are you capturing it? I tried this to grab a 15s segment: timeout -w 15 -- wget -v -O tmp.ogg http://vorbis.nm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-toronto.ogg (see The Unix Prog Env. for a similar 'timeout') I got a 36s segment OGG file. It appears that some history is captured in the stream also. Could you break your shows into segments shorter than 1h, if 1h is a problem? I hadn't heard of 'mmsrip'. That seems to be a good tool. I haven't done much capturing, but I have used VLC (gui based), or this: mplayer.exe -dumpstream mms://somehost.com/somedirectory/somefile.wmv For the record, when I tried this: mmsrip --delay=15 --output=cbc01.wma mms://wm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-toronto I got a 15s wma file. There may be about 0.5s of history. > - I often want to record something that I found out about by coming in > on the middle. In these cases, it is great to capture from a > station in a later timezone. Why rely on alternate timezones which are arbitrary, instead of a general solution? Why not set up a daemon to capture the stream every N minutes, along with some cleanup routines? My example: ## 5m capture example: while true; do stamp=`/bin/date -u +'%Y%m%dT%H%M%SZ'` mmsrip --delay=300 --output=cbc01.$stamp.wma \ mms://wm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-toronto done > The output of mmsrip, at least in this case, is a .wma file. But it > is a bit malformed: it won't work in my mp3 players. Two things do > understand it: > > - ffmpeg > > - mplayer (because it uses the ffmpeg library) > > It turns out that a null transcoding by ffmpeg can make the file work > with my Creative Zen V! ffmpeg has unconventional flags -- check the > manpage. > > ffmpeg -i captured.wma -acodec copy nice.wma Why bother with WMA format at all? I had a player from several years ago that played WMA files. It does not play today's WMA files. Convert it to MP3, so it will work in ALL MP3 players. I know, the quality suffers slightly converting lossy to lossy, but this is not high fidelity music we are talking about. I tried this: $ ffmpeg -i cbc01.wma cbc01.mp3 $ file cbc01.mp3 cbc01.mp3: MPEG ADTS, layer II, v1, 64 kBits, 44.1 kHz, Monaural Unfortunately, it produced an MP2 file, not MP3. I am not sure what is wrong. MP2 is similar, but may not be supported on all MP3 players. Then I tried it in two steps; to WAV then to MP3: $ mplayer cbc01.wma -ao pcm:file=cbc01.wav $ lame cbc01.wav # LAME 32bits version 3.97; produces cbc01.wav.mp3 $ file cbc01.wav.mp3 cbc01.wav.mp3: MPEG ADTS, layer III, v1, 64 kBits, 44.1 kHz, Monaural I listened to cbc01.mp3 and cbc01.wav.mp3 and did not notice any difference in quality. BTW, I encode music at 192 kbps cbr, and speech at 64 kbps cbr. *** Other Notes: I choose a 5m interval for files, which turned out to be convenient for quickly accessing what I want to keep, by just hitting the ">>|" button in VLC. Also, I don't like MP3 files longer than 10m because many MP3 players do not have a "very very fast-forward", nor a rewind into the end of the previous track. About your player: You have a "Creative Zen V". I used to have a "Creative Muvo 2GB White" and it was one of the worst I have had; I had to return it. Here is a list of the problems from my notes which may or may not be relevant in your case: - will freeze up if there are symbolic links or shortcuts - will not play files deeper than 3 folder levels - that is unacceptable - must use predefined root folders - no way to skip current folder, except by skipping tracks or going to the menu and choosing skip folder (problem is that it doesn't keep track of where you were) - skipping folder always starts at the root of the default folder - pops and clicks were heard randomly, about 6 per hour (confirmed as systemic on some web forums) -- Eric Battersby. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 2 10:18:11 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 05:18:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Who reads Chinese? Message-ID: <151921.81552.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Quick note, recently I was asked if I would okay the translation of an interview I did with Richard M. Stallman (president of the Free-Software Foundation) into Chinese. My answer was that I was fine with that. The translation has now appeared: http://www.yeeyan.com/articles/view/14433/5207 Now I am a bit curious as to the quality of the translation, so question is of the folks on this list, who can read the above and offer an opinion? The original interview can be seen here: www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/interview_with_richard_stallman Thanks. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 2 16:42:57 2008 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:42:57 -0500 Subject: Yet Another iPod Question In-Reply-To: <47C87ACB.10000-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3084D.1010900@sympatico.ca> <200802261005.21014.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <47C87ACB.10000@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200803021142.57658.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Friday 29 February 2008 04:36:11 pm John Moniz wrote: > Thanks Jason. I went looking for places where I could get an 8gb silver > iPod and found a few. Unfortunately, I got stuck out of town and had my > wife and daughter go out to get one. The nice man at the store convinced > them that there was no difference, so they came back with a black 3rd > gen nano. > > First I set up the iPod with iTunes to make sure it was working OK. > After a few songs were installed, I plugged it in to a linux PC. I could > tell that the device was recognized from dmesg, but it would not mount > itself to /media/ipod, which is where my son's iPod classic video mounts > to on my machine. I tried creating the needed directory, setting the > permissions and mounting it manually, but the permissions reset > themselves to root and none of the players can use it. Amarock gives an > error that it cannot write the lock file to the device because of denied > permission. gtkpod was hopeless. > > I installed floola, but it crashes with exception errors every time I > try to do anything at all with it. > > This is my daughter's iPod and she has a newer ubuntu just recently > installed. I'll try there all over again, but it won't be until tomorrow > when I take her back to school. There are some posts on the ubuntu forum > that claim the nano 3G problem has been resolved, I just hope it > includes the mounting problem I'm having. > > It would be nice to know if anyone's iPod nano (3rd gen) mounts itself > properly upon plugging in. Another option, that I have used in the past is Yamipod http://www.yamipod.com/main/modules/home/ I had limited success with this, but it seems that results are varying for each solution depending on the Linux distro in use, and the iPod generation and color. Let me know how you make out. -- Jason Shein Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 647 ) - 505 - 5002 http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 2 19:54:31 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:54:31 -0500 Subject: Yet Another iPod Question In-Reply-To: <47C87ACB.10000-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3084D.1010900@sympatico.ca> <200802251344.55268.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <47C32F77.7020302@sympatico.ca> <200802261005.21014.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <47C87ACB.10000@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20080302145431.4f1207f5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> John Moniz wrote: > Jason Shein wrote: > > As per the documentation, at least one song needs to be transferred to the > > iPod prior to using Floola. > > > > I personally prefer gtkpod, but it only works for certain colours and size > > combinations of the iPod nano. Of the 8gb models, only the silver version > > is supported due to device IDs. > > > > If you attempt to attach gtkpd to an unsupported nano, it trashes the > > database, and requires a repair using iTunes. ( as I found out ) > > > > > > Floola works great for videos, mp3. and cover art on my daughters ( green > > 8GB nano ) > Thanks Jason. I went looking for places where I could get an 8gb silver > iPod and found a few. Unfortunately, I got stuck out of town and had my > wife and daughter go out to get one. The nice man at the store convinced > them that there was no difference, so they came back with a black 3rd > gen nano. > > First I set up the iPod with iTunes to make sure it was working OK. > After a few songs were installed, I plugged it in to a linux PC. I could > tell that the device was recognized from dmesg, but it would not mount > itself to /media/ipod, which is where my son's iPod classic video mounts > to on my machine. I tried creating the needed directory, setting the > permissions and mounting it manually, but the permissions reset > themselves to root and none of the players can use it. Amarock gives an > error that it cannot write the lock file to the device because of denied > permission. gtkpod was hopeless. Use whatever mount point your system creates for it, if there is one. It does not have to use /media/ipod. Mine, for example, is /mnt/BORG. This can then be set in the preferences of whatever you decide to use, ie. Amarok or GTKPod. From what I've seen from the people at libgpod/gtkpod, any ipod or nano there is should work just fine with libgpod 0.6.0, including the ipod touch and iphone. libgpod is the basis for either Amarok or gtkpod to work, and as I say, it should not matter what mount point your system assigns to the device. If your system is not assigning any mount point, the problem is more than the colour of the nano or the app you're using. > I installed floola, but it crashes with exception errors every time I > try to do anything at all with it. > > This is my daughter's iPod and she has a newer ubuntu just recently > installed. I'll try there all over again, but it won't be until tomorrow > when I take her back to school. There are some posts on the ubuntu forum > that claim the nano 3G problem has been resolved, I just hope it > includes the mounting problem I'm having. Again, as far as I know, all problems with ipods/nanos have been resolved. Only outstanding issues are with Touch and iPhone. > It would be nice to know if anyone's iPod nano (3rd gen) mounts itself > properly upon plugging in. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Cubert: "Robots are very good at keeping secrets." Bender: "No, we're not, you little bed-wetter. Oops, I'm sorry." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 2 22:06:28 2008 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:06:28 -0500 Subject: Error correction with aes-looback / cryptoloop? In-Reply-To: <20080227154322.GA24830-SACILpcuo74@public.gmane.org> References: <20080226214910.aw80wirbc48wsso4@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080227154322.GA24830@adb.ca> Message-ID: <20080302170628.isj166sg00w40cok@mail.math.yorku.ca> Quoting Anthony de Boer : > Mike Oliver wrote: >> It seems to work fine, but I'm not so happy about the >> thought that a one-bit HDD error could make me lose the >> entire partition. > > Are you really sure it works that way? Disks are random-access beasts, > and certainly after booting you can go to any part of the disk without > having to sequentially go through everything ahead of it. Good point. Update: I made a small test AES128 filesystem-in-file using cryptoloop, and went in with a hex editor and changed one byte in the image file. It garbaged a few bytes in one file of the filesystem, not even a whole file. So it seems to work in ECB mode or something like it, for good reason as you point out. I guess I had been assuming CFB mode, not because it really made sense, but because it was the worst-case scenario for purposes of my concern here. > There are critical bits like the superblock and the directory at the root > of the partition, but alternate superblocks and fsck can affect at least > partial recovery from many errors. Yeah, that's a point. How much space do those occupy? And do they change as I add/remove files? It would be nice to be able to back up a small piece to protect against errors there. > And you *ARE* going to keep backups, right? Well, sure, from time to time. But I don't back up every day or anything; too much of a PITA. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 2 22:40:23 2008 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:40:23 -0500 Subject: another aes-loopback question -- /tmp directory Message-ID: <20080302174023.33lxb0gi1wwcgckc@mail.math.yorku.ca> Wonder if anyone else has thought about this. I would like to put my $HOME directory on an encrypted partition, but leave /, /usr/bin, etc unencrypted, so as to be able to boot up without the passphrase in certain situations (e.g. giving someone a guest login). I have most of it figured out, but I'm not sure what to do with /tmp. What I would like to do is make /tmp a symlink to something in $HOME. But the problem is that I want to make $HOME a manual mount (mainly because if you do automount, it prompts you for the passphrase at boot time and echoes it to the screen). So I would be booting with /tmp as a broken symlink, and I won't have "orbit" files and so on (using KDE). Does anyone know whether these things can be fixed *after* starting KDE? Similar questions, I suppose, for $HOME/Desktop and /var. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 2 23:34:16 2008 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:34:16 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: References: <47C9C948.7030100@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200803021834.16729.fraser@wehave.net> On Saturday 01 March 2008 21:50:37 D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Any kind of mandatory option is pretty annoying to customers, not just > phone customers. ?The "network access charge" on cell phone bills > smells like that. My understanding of the network access charge is that is pure money in the pocket of the telcos ($800 million per year). It is money pure money in their pocket allowing them to advertise falsely "low" rates, apparently there is/was a class action suit regarding the fees (see http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1099060839961_12/?hub=TopStories). In 2003 I bought a phone in the UK for 20 pounds that came with significant pay-as-you-go airtime (I don't recall quantity excactly). I and relatives used the phone on numerous trips over a few years. Last summer we landed in Germany and the phone worked fine for us throughout Germany, Austria and Italy ... it finally ran out of airtime when we got to Croatia (roaming charges were rather steep). In Croatia we bought a SIM card for $5 that gave us a Croatian number, 50 minutes of airtime and 50 bonus minutes of airtime (mail-in), text messaging was dirt cheap, incoming calls were free ... it lasted the rest of our trip (more than 2 weeks). Cell phone service in this country is of poor quality as far as I see (lots of dropped calls, network busy, etc.) and there are no inexpensive options that I know of for people who don't need much airtime. On top of that, rates for our crappy level of service seem to be increasing rather than decreasing. -- Fraser Campbell Georgetown, Ontario, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 00:47:26 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:47:26 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <200803021834.16729.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <47C9C948.7030100@rogers.com> <200803021834.16729.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <47CB4A9E.8010607@rogers.com> Fraser Campbell wrote: > Cell phone service in this country is of poor quality as far as I see (lots of > dropped calls, network busy, etc.) and there are no inexpensive options that > I know of for people who don't need much airtime. On top of that, rates for > our crappy level of service seem to be increasing rather than decreasing. > > FWIW, I have my personal phone on Rogers and work cell phone on Telus. There is no comparison between the two. Rogers has much better call quality. When I call a co-worker, who's also on Telus, it's often so bad there's almost no point in making the call. I also have a friend on Telus and calls to her cell phone aren't so great either. My employer is currently considering switching from Telus to Rogers, so there's hope things will improve. I also find calling people who use a Blackberry also results in poor call quality. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 01:25:39 2008 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 20:25:39 -0500 Subject: Error correction with aes-looback / cryptoloop? In-Reply-To: <20080302170628.isj166sg00w40cok-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080226214910.aw80wirbc48wsso4@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080227154322.GA24830@adb.ca> <20080302170628.isj166sg00w40cok@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20080303012539.GT24830@adb.ca> Mike Oliver wrote: > Quoting Anthony de Boer : >> There are critical bits like the superblock and the directory at the root >> of the partition, but alternate superblocks and fsck can affect at least >> partial recovery from many errors. > > Yeah, that's a point. How much space do those occupy? And do they change > as I add/remove files? It would be nice to be able to back up a small > piece > to protect against errors there. Two principles that have served me well in a lot of years with Unix/Linux: I Can Look That Up - manpages, or look in the Documentation or fs/ext* directories in the kernel sources, or the e2fsprogs sources. Knowing what's where and having a good grasp of the bits you need to frob in normal use beats rote memorization of all the trivia you can find. I've Never Needed To Look That Up - there are a *lot* of things you never look inside until they've either broken or demonstrated the need of some vital additional feature. Stuff that's never come to my attention in that way indicates the authors (Remy Card, Ted Ts'o, Stephen Tweedie, and a cast of many, in this case) have done a fine job. Ext2 and its heirs keep duplicate superblocks at intervals, and there is a mount option to use a different one if the default one at the start of the device gets broken. Probably no need to specifically back that up, then. >> And you *ARE* going to keep backups, right? > > Well, sure, from time to time. But I don't back up every day or anything; > too much of a PITA. Using something like rsync to copy from a laptop to your server or desktop periodically, especially with the commandline captured in a shellscript to make it easy to fire off, can make it easy to back things up when you're connected and have a spare moment. There's also a tool available called unison that can be used to bidirectionally sync important files between eg. a laptop and desktop so that you can work on them in either place, and thereby also survive the death of either copy. A lot depends on what sort of work you do; if you're a digital camera buff then you may want to back up specifically after downloading new pictures from your camera, if you're a programmer then a backup upon completion of a program milestone (or just keep a git/cvs/svn/whatever repository on a different box), that sort of thing. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 03:00:48 2008 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:00:48 -0500 Subject: another aes-loopback question -- /tmp directory In-Reply-To: <20080302174023.33lxb0gi1wwcgckc-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080302174023.33lxb0gi1wwcgckc@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <7ac602420803021900u10b6da16jae594fe4be1e5b6@mail.gmail.com> I've seen articles that suggest mounting /tmp as an encrypted partition with a random password generated at each boot. Software is not supposed to rely on the contents of /tmp surviving a power cycle, so starting with a clean slate each time you power on should be fine. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 04:46:57 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 23:46:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: another aes-loopback question -- /tmp directory In-Reply-To: <7ac602420803021900u10b6da16jae594fe4be1e5b6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080302174023.33lxb0gi1wwcgckc@mail.math.yorku.ca> <7ac602420803021900u10b6da16jae594fe4be1e5b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Ian Petersen | I've seen articles that suggest mounting /tmp as an encrypted | partition with a random password generated at each boot. Software is | not supposed to rely on the contents of /tmp surviving a power cycle, | so starting with a clean slate each time you power on should be fine. I've thought for a long time (over 30 years) that the UNIX idea of /tmp is broken. I'd like to suggest that each session gets its own private /tmp. Of course, that begs the question: what is a session? It would take a careful canvas of programs to find out what things share objects in /tmp (and whether that sharing is worth preserving). Segregating by session would seem to be a way of reducing security threats involving /tmp. Some would still exist. Here are the ways I think /tmp is used: (1) Originally, /tmp was used because some programs needed to play with more data than would fit in main memory (the data segment limit was 64KiB on the biggest UNIX machines and less on smaller ones). (2) /tmp was also used to transfer things between phases of processing, such as compiler passes. Many shell tools naturally operate on files, not memory, so processing by shell tools often involves temp files. (3) It is sometimes handy to have /tmp files preserved across crashes (program or system crashes). For example, when my editor crashes, or the original vi crashed, much potential lost work could be recovered from the file in /tmp. (4) /tmp/xxxx can be used as a "well known address" for different agents to share information. My current /tmp seems to have stuff like this: drwx------ 3 hugh hugh 4096 Feb 3 20:03 gconfd-hugh drwx------ 2 hugh hugh 4096 Feb 3 20:03 keyring-MMcBx5 srwxrwxr-x 1 admin admin 0 Feb 2 03:16 mapping-admin srwxrwxr-x 1 hugh hugh 0 Feb 3 20:03 mapping-hugh drwx------ 2 hugh hugh 4096 Feb 29 14:36 orbit-hugh drwx------ 2 root root 4096 Feb 14 11:41 orbit-root drwx------ 2 hugh hugh 4096 Feb 3 20:03 ssh-agrdjc2019 drwx------ 2 hugh hugh 4096 Feb 16 12:22 ssh-BGiAr11620 drwx------ 2 hugh hugh 4096 Feb 26 11:46 ssh-EMdPF12408 Notice that some of these names seem to reflect some kind of session model. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 05:35:36 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 00:35:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: capturing CBC Radio from an internet stream In-Reply-To: <20080302023745.P94070-Ja3L+HSX0kI@public.gmane.org> References: <20080302023745.P94070@vex.net> Message-ID: | From: Eric Battersby | I have not used ogg vorbis before. | I don't have any portable "MP3 players" that plays that format | and I've had about 10 players in the past. I have some that do. Samsung ones, before they were taken over by PaysForSure. Ditto for iRiver (but I don't have them). | I assume you are capturing it from: | | http://vorbis.nm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-toronto.ogg I think that is the one I used. At one point their nameserver was broken and I had to hardwire the IP address. I told them and eventually it got fixed (not clear if there was a causal relationship) | How are you capturing it? I used curl. Here's the script I used: # grab 61 minutes of CBC Radio 1 # NOTE: stupid CBC name server is broken #OGGTRIAL=oggtrial.nm.cbc.ca OGGTRIAL=159.33.6.141 DATE=`date +%Y.%m.%d-%H.%M` curl --max-time 3660 -o $DATE.ogg http://$OGGTRIAL:80/cbcr1-toronto.ogg Originally this worked fine. Perhaps a year later, it seemed to often stop about 30 or 40 minutes in. Which was annoying. | I got a 36s segment OGG file. It appears that some history is captured | in the stream also. What do you mean by "history"? | Could you break your shows into segments shorter than 1h, if 1h | is a problem? Sure, but what do you do with the seams? I don't like discontinuities. | I hadn't heard of 'mmsrip'. That seems to be a good tool. | I haven't done much capturing, but I have used VLC (gui based), or this: | | mplayer.exe -dumpstream mms://somehost.com/somedirectory/somefile.wmv Is this under DOS or MS Windows? What's this ".exe" thing? | Why rely on alternate timezones which are arbitrary, instead of | a general solution? | Why not set up a daemon to capture the stream every N minutes, | along with some cleanup routines? You mean capture the radio all the time? That seems a bit rude: wasting CBC's bandwidth for no good reason. It would waste disk space too unless I threw it away regularly (which proves that the bandwidth was wasted). | Why bother with WMA format at all? I had a player from several | years ago that played WMA files. It does not play today's WMA files. | Convert it to MP3, so it will work in ALL MP3 players. | I know, the quality suffers slightly converting lossy to lossy, | but this is not high fidelity music we are talking about. The sound is bad enough. I don't wish to make it worse. So I would have to use a high mp3 bitrate. Then I would waste disk space. And waste flash memory in the player. I admit that this is theory. I haven't tested. But there is only one way for sound to come out through a lossy codec: worse. | I tried this: | | $ ffmpeg -i cbc01.wma cbc01.mp3 | $ file cbc01.mp3 | cbc01.mp3: MPEG ADTS, layer II, v1, 64 kBits, 44.1 kHz, Monaural | | Unfortunately, it produced an MP2 file, not MP3. | I am not sure what is wrong. MP2 is similar, | but may not be supported on all MP3 players. I don't know what all the darned codecs are. ffmpeg does have a flag (-formats) to print a list of supported codecs (the list depends on how it was compiled, for example). It also has a flag (-acodec) to specify the audio codec to use. I'd say RTFM but, in the case of ffmpeg, that would be very cruel. | Also, I don't like MP3 files longer than 10m because | many MP3 players do not have a "very very fast-forward", nor | a rewind into the end of the previous track. I've yet to deal with this. My preferred players have an option to resume where they left off. This is mostly good enough. I intend to try RockBox. I have even bought a Sandisk e2xx player to run it. I intend to hack it to do what I want. But I haven't even installed RockBox yet. | About your player: | You have a "Creative Zen V". I used to have a "Creative Muvo 2GB White" | and it was one of the worst I have had; I had to return it. | Here is a list of the problems from my notes which may or may not | be relevant in your case: | - will freeze up if there are symbolic links or shortcuts | - will not play files deeper than 3 folder levels | - that is unacceptable | - must use predefined root folders | - no way to skip current folder, except by skipping tracks | or going to the menu and choosing skip folder | (problem is that it doesn't keep track of where you were) | - skipping folder always starts at the root of the default folder | - pops and clicks were heard randomly, about 6 per hour | (confirmed as systemic on some web forums) Players seem to get worse, not better. I don't use my ZenV much. It doesn't think that it holds files, it thinks it holds music. So instead of UMS (USB Mass Storage -- looks like a disk), it has another protocol (perhaps MTP / PaysForSure). So you navigate through albums and artists and other things for which I have not internalized a model. I put stuff on it using gnomad2. I had to hack on that to get it to work on x86_64 (so I now have check-in rights on the development tree). My Samsung devices are UMS because I found firmware for other places (Singapore?) that did this. The stock North American firmware is MTP / PaysForSure. Grrr. I think that the UMS firmware supports ogg vorbis, but I don't know for sure. To get PaysForSure branding, Microsoft required player manufacturers to drop ogg vorbis support. When this was pointed out to anti-trust folks, Microsoft said "oh, we didn't really mean it". But the damage was done -- I don't know of any PaysForSure licensees that now support ogg vorbis. If I were a licensee, I would not trust that MS actually meant their "we didn't really mean it". -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 03:07:15 2008 From: jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Baker) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:07:15 -0500 Subject: another aes-loopback question -- /tmp directory In-Reply-To: <7ac602420803021900u10b6da16jae594fe4be1e5b6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080302174023.33lxb0gi1wwcgckc@mail.math.yorku.ca> <7ac602420803021900u10b6da16jae594fe4be1e5b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803022207.21308.jab@muskokatech.ca> On March 2, 2008 10:00:48 pm Ian Petersen wrote: > I've seen articles that suggest mounting /tmp as an encrypted > partition with a random password generated at each boot. Software is > not supposed to rely on the contents of /tmp surviving a power cycle, > so starting with a clean slate each time you power on should be fine. > > Ian I have my /tmp and swap partitions encrypted with /dev/random as the key, but I am using dmcrypt not aes-loopback. -- Jeremy Baker GnuPGP fingerprint = EE66 AC49 E008 E09A 7A2A ?0195 50EF 580B EDBB 95B6 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 194 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 12:25:41 2008 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 07:25:41 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <47CB4A9E.8010607-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47C9C948.7030100@rogers.com> <200803021834.16729.fraser@wehave.net> <47CB4A9E.8010607@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080303122541.0C28783833@sarg.ryerson.ca> James Knott wrote: > FWIW, I have my personal phone on Rogers and work cell phone on Telus. > There is no comparison between the two. Rogers has much better call > quality. Just to muddy the waters further, I've just switched from Rogers to Telus and couldn't be happier. Also, outside Ontario, I think you'll find *much* better coverage woth CDMA phones (Bell or Telus). I have noticed very spotty service in Quebec and the Maritimes with Rogers if you're anywhere but on the TransCanada. CDMA is also supposed to be technically superior to GSM, although GSM seems to be dominant outside North America. ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 12:45:12 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 07:45:12 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <20080303122541.0C28783833-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <47C9C948.7030100@rogers.com> <200803021834.16729.fraser@wehave.net> <47CB4A9E.8010607@rogers.com> <20080303122541.0C28783833@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <47CBF2D8.1070301@rogers.com> Dave Mason wrote: > James Knott wrote: > > >> FWIW, I have my personal phone on Rogers and work cell phone on Telus. >> There is no comparison between the two. Rogers has much better call >> quality. >> > > Just to muddy the waters further, I've just switched from Rogers to > Telus and couldn't be happier. Also, outside Ontario, I think you'll > find *much* better coverage woth CDMA phones (Bell or Telus). I have > noticed very spotty service in Quebec and the Maritimes with Rogers if > you're anywhere but on the TransCanada. > > CDMA is also supposed to be technically superior to GSM, although GSM > seems to be dominant outside North America. > > Technically superior in what way? IIRC, CDMA provides better spectrum use, but GSM uses more bits for encoding the voice, which results in better audio quality. However, it's been a while since I read the book on cell phone technology. A strong signal doesn't get you much, if the audio quality is poor. Also, coverage has nothing to do with technology. That depends on where the carrier wants to spend their money. Rogers and Bell also have the choice of two bands, which gives them more flexibility for coverage, than Telus, which has only the high band to work with (At least in this part of the country. It may be different out west, where Telus was the principal phone company. Rogers has both bands available across the entire country.). The lower 800 MHz band tends to have better range than the 1900 MHz band. This situation goes back to the days when there were only two carriers in each region, that shared the low band. In Ontario & Quebec, it's Bell and Rogers. Out west it was Telus and Rogers. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 15:04:35 2008 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:04:35 -0500 Subject: MS office & Open office compatibility issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080303100435.0775a95f.hgibson@eol.ca> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:32:45 +0300 "William Muriithi" wrote: > Hi pals, > > I wonder if there is someone out there how have found a work around on > this problem. If you happen to be using open office and editing a > document in collaboration with some who is using MS office, the paging > get really messed up. > > For example, you have a 3 pages document in OO, send it across to > someone who uses MS office, the document will have around 2 1/4 > pages. This of course is not good, as the person across may think you > are not serious. I have looked at the fonts, line gap, anything that > can lead to different page size with no luck. William, Open Office spaces lines further apart than Microsoft Word does. Instead of setting large, bold fonts, use the headers from the stylesheet, than attach a table of contents. Tell the MS Word user to right click, then update. Don't tell them how many pages you are sending. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 16:26:12 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:26:12 +0300 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: References: <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> <20080229153100.GX1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C829AD.3020203@rogers.com> <20080229164901.GY1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C84D83.7020808@rogers.com> <47C9C948.7030100@rogers.com> Message-ID: Hi all, This was a petty good discussion and it looks like a good number of people would drop their current phone company if their was a choice. Lucky for them, there isn't much we can do. Who are the people behind Virgin Mobile by the way? Since I have pretty of time today, I feel like writing, I will comment on some of the discussion that was happening here. Equipment purchases: An issue of amortization and equipment replacement was raised and Christopher explained very well how the two are completely unrelated. I couldn't have done better. We didn't however mention how the accounts guys figure out at what time its fiscally proper to replace an equipment. They usually look at the current cost of maintaining the equipment at hand. Issues like skills availability, energy cost, features anything they can think of. Then, they add up all that cumulative cost until the equipment end of life - lets say its 5, making sure to bring the future cost to its present value. Deduct that amount from the revenue the equipment generates will generate in 5 years - Remember again to change future revenue to present value. That balance is then compared with the new gear revenue generation minus initial cost and its maintenance for fee for 5 years. At the point the later become higher than the former, thats the time to go shopping. Of course, thats not the only reason for replacement. Politics in the management can override all those hard numbers. Seen case where replacement was primary driven by the fact the equipments were being sold by a company that the management owned. Population in Canada: Some of us feel that Canada's low population justify the cell phone charges. I not really sure I agree with that statement. A good way of evaluating if that would be the reason is to compare it with another country with the same population and population density - well I will be stretching the later as Canada's land mass is huge. Kenya population is around 34M and Canada's population is around 33M (According to wikipedia) The former has 2 mobile phone service provider and the later 3. In my opinion, their cost - set up and up keep are similar. Ehh, not entirely true as labour is cheaper in Kenya compared Canada. The hardware cost should be about the same however. The population spread is similar - North West Kenya has less the 5 people per km squared. However, for $40, the basic service here would give you 3 times air time you get here. And the billing is in seconds, not minutes. How does the former 2 companies manage to do that and also remain the most profitable companies in that country? Public/Private - Completely out of topic Another issue that was raised by Len Sorensen was people's attitude toward privatization. I couldn't help but empathize with him. I was once walking in the street in Nairobi with a friend. Then, we came across a guy lying by the road. He had a huge wound on the leg that had clearly not be attend for a long time. The wound was yellowish, the whole leg swollen, a seen you look at once and don't want to see it again. Then I commented how bad our government is for not making hospital access cheap. My friend was totally shocked. She asked "Are you some kind of communist?" I couldn't understand why she thought my political leaning is worse than helping a guy clearly in pain. The point is, majority of people seem to think government getting in business is bad, plain and simple. This is unfortunately not correct. Both systems - Capitalist and socialism had their merits and pains. The thing is, our "socialist" media has managed to alienate a large number of population from thinking public is good in any circumstance. Nothing could be further from the truth than that. Some business are simply monopolistic in nature and putting them in private hand don't change that. Others may require a system that emphasis effectiveness over efficiency. Ever thought what would happen if we privatize Canada post? Some example of system that runs well in public hands is transport. Before Ms Thatcher, was British prime minister, rail system in Britain and most of the west Europe was a public system. Somehow, she thought that was a terrible error and she had to fixed it. Today, rail service in Britain fairs badly compared with France, where it is still in public hands. Its now even impossible for French government to sell it. How would you explain it to the masses? Another good example as it relate to Canada politics is energy industry. I understand that since Toronto city is having money issues, someone is advicing them to sell an energy company. Europe has gone the same route. Britain and Germany selling out the energy companies while the usual suspect - France held on to them. Sometime last year, their was a bbc article that showed that despite Britain selling out their energy industry, they were actually paying more than French. Worse, the French energy was more reliable. Okay, one may say Toronto is selling out because there is no money, but then would you sell your house just because your bank balance is low? One last thing, it funny people expect government to get out of the business industry while things get really bad, they then call for government intervention. Damn, that a really bad deal. Imagine you had a friend and he/she suggested you start a business on condition that, when things are good he keeps the profit, but if the business fair badly, he/she has to clear the mess. You would mostly retort "F*** you". Thats however what happen every time governments intervene. A very sad story for tax payers. Now, one may be thinking, this guy is clearly a communist. No, I am not, I also believe there are industries governments should not be allowed to get into. A good example is entertainment. I love listening to Nickleback and thanks Canada's tax payers for that, but how the heck does it make Canada's economy competitive? Educative documentary is understandable, but entertainment, you are taking it too far. Sorry for the long email. I think I got a lot of time yesterday. Regards, William On 02/03/2008, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: James Knott > > > | So, grandfather those little old ladies and the pulse lines. As the pulse > | lines get canceled, they're gone for good. > > > That's exactly what they did. Perhaps 15 years ago. Long enough that > those little old ladies weren't old at the time :-). > > In other words, DTMF has been a mandatory option for a *long* time. > > Any kind of mandatory option is pretty annoying to customers, not just > phone customers. The "network access charge" on cell phone bills > smells like that. > > > | > I doubt that it had anything to do with poverty activists. Poor folks > | > cannot get pulse-only lines. Only folks that already have them. > | > > | > | They do make a lot of noise, whenever it comes up. As I said above, > | grandfather the pulse lines at the old rate > > > Done, long ago. > > > | and make touch tone the new basic > | service. > > > Not done. I guess that the CRTC cannot see charging folks different > amounts for what is listed as the same service. > > > | > I would agree with eliminating the tariff, but not just adding it to > | > everyones bill. > | > > | Once it's part of basic service, some adjustment will hopefully occur. > > > Like what? If 95% of customers pay the $2.80 a month now, do you > think that Bell would accept anything other than 100% paying it? > > My motto: I'd rather be subsidized than subsidize. And that's what it > is. I cost them more than a DTMF customer. They have put a block on > my line to prevent me dialing with DTMF (I can switch to DTMF to get > through menu systems after I dial the phone number). > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 16:40:25 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:40:25 +0300 Subject: MS office & Open office compatibility issue In-Reply-To: <20080303100435.0775a95f.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080303100435.0775a95f.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: Hi Gibson, > Open Office spaces lines further apart than Microsoft Word does. > > Instead of setting large, bold fonts, use the headers from the stylesheet, than attach a table of contents. Tell the MS Word user to right click, then update. Don't tell them how many pages you are sending. Do you mind explaining the second paragraph further. I am really interested in it, but don't seem to understand it in its present form. Thanks a lot William > > -- > Howard Gibson > hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org > howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org > http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 16:47:31 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:47:31 +0000 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: References: <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> <20080229153100.GX1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C829AD.3020203@rogers.com> <20080229164901.GY1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C84D83.7020808@rogers.com> <47C9C948.7030100@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:26 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > This was a petty good discussion and it looks like a good number of > people would drop their current phone company if their was a choice. > Who are the people behind Virgin Mobile by the way? Virgin Mobile is one of the arms of the Virgin Group , owned by the inimitable Englishman, Sir Richard Charles Nicholas Branson. He started by opening Virgin Records, which has grown into one of the major chains of music outlets. He started an airline, expanded the record store into a music label, and since added a phone company. He has been into making world records, ballooning long distances, and such. Note that in the Canadian operations, the Virgin Mobile organization is buying time on the Bell Mobility network. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 17:10:13 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:10:13 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: References: <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> <20080229153100.GX1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C829AD.3020203@rogers.com> <20080229164901.GY1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C84D83.7020808@rogers.com> <47C9C948.7030100@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47CC30F5.4050905@rogers.com> William Muriithi wrote: > Hi all, > > This was a petty good discussion and it looks like a good number of > people would drop their current phone company if their was a choice. > Lucky for them, there isn't much we can do. Who are the people behind > Virgin Mobile by the way? > You mentioned Kenya. While I have no idea about the specifics there, one thing to bear in mind is many "3rd world" countries never had much of a wired phone system. So, for them, a cell phone is the first phone many people have seen. It's also cheaper to build out cell phone towers, than to run all that cable from scratch, whereas here, we've got a huge existing cable plant, that makes delivering service cheaper than cell phones. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 19:08:56 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:08:56 -0500 Subject: help changing from lilo to grub In-Reply-To: <20080229221408.GA4130-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080229140154.GB3918@watson-wilson.ca> <20080229213609.GB1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080229221408.GA4130@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20080303190856.GC1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 05:14:08PM -0500, Neil Watson wrote: > On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 04:36:09PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > >What is in device.map? > (fd0) /dev/fd0 > (hd0) /dev/hda > (hd1) /dev/hdb > > > >What is hda? > > hda is a legacy drive. > > >Who deals with jumping to boot to the second HD to start grub? > > hda was an old running linux. I migrated to hdb. I still use the old > drive but as second tier storage. So a boot loader in the MBR of hda chainloads the boot loader on hdb to start grub then? Seems odd. Did you change the boot order in the bios instead? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 19:11:50 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:11:50 -0500 Subject: CD-RW In-Reply-To: <47C9558D.6010401-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47C9558D.6010401@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080303191150.GD1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 08:09:33AM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I bought a spindle of CD-RWs. I didn't mind that they are more expensive > than CD-Rs because I'll get to us them over and over. However, K3B is > giving me messages that since it is CD-RW I won't be able to play them > in my home or car stereo. And guess what? They are right - I can't. The > only home stereo I can play it in is my newset one (that bosts mp3 > compatibility - not that I'm speaking only about mp3 - I'm also talking > about wav and ogg). > > I have to burn a CD to send to RPM today and I want it to be able to > play in anything they throw it in. So, do I have to go out and buy CD-Rs > again (then what good is the spindle of CD-RWs I bought)? And I am > comparing apples and apples (the CD-Rs and CD-RWs are both Staples brand). > > Or is W2K/Cubasis doing something to the file to make it not work on any > stereo (when I scp it to a linux box and burn it with K3B)? > > I have to use W2K/Cubasis for now - tried (off and on) for five months > to get the emu1212m pci card initialized under linux with only partial > success. > > Any suggestions. Just so we're clear: when I burn CD-Rs in K3B they play > in anything. When I create a wav from W2K/Cubasis, then copy it to > another (dual-boot ubuntu/W2K computer), then boot the dual-boot > computer to linux, scp the wav to the ubuntu computer with the CD > burner, then burn the wav (and also the wav converted to mp3 and ogg > using audio-convert) with K3B, the CD-RW will not play in my older home > stereo or my car stereo. > > A long-term solution would be nice, but if you can suggest a short-term > (workaround) I would appreciate it. I need to get this CD in the mail today. CD-RW discs are less reflective than CD-R and pressed CDs. That's why a lot of devices can't play them. Also often CD-RW's are recorded in multisession and the session isn't clossed at the end, and many players can't deal with open sessions or even multisession at all. Single session that is closed is the most compatible, preferably burned in disc at once (not track at once) mode. That still doesn't solve the reduced reflection properties, but it helps. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 19:14:37 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:14:37 -0500 Subject: CD-RW In-Reply-To: <47C9663E.7050402-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47C9558D.6010401@chrisaitken.net> <47C95D78.5010308@rogers.com> <47C9663E.7050402@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080303191437.GE1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 09:20:46AM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > Well, yeah, but some CD-Rs I've burned play on anything. I'm starting to > shop songs around so I want to make sure the CDs I burn will play on > anything. Teh one time some A&R decides to spin your CD you don't want > it to fail in whatever CD player he throws it in. For instance, > store-bought CDs will play in anything. Why? How can I get that > consistency on CDs I burn? How can I burn CDs that won't "depend[] on > the player"? Will I be safer with CD-Rs instead of CD-RWs? It seems so > but I don't know so. A CD-R should work on any CD player. It won't work on many older DVD players however. CD-RW only works on newer devices that know about them in many cases. So the only sure thing is a pressed CD. CD-R is the next best bet, with the ones that are silver looking (maybe a slight blue tint) being more likely to work than ones that are clearly coloured green or blue on the recording surface. The ones that are almost entirely silver in colour can even work in some cases on old single laser DVD players that otherwise only support DVDs and pressed CDs. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 19:16:51 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:16:51 -0500 Subject: capturing CBC Radio from an internet stream In-Reply-To: <20080302023745.P94070-Ja3L+HSX0kI@public.gmane.org> References: <20080302023745.P94070@vex.net> Message-ID: <20080303191651.GF1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 02:57:25AM -0500, Eric Battersby wrote: > I have not used ogg vorbis before. > I don't have any portable "MP3 players" that plays that format > and I've had about 10 players in the past. > > I assume you are capturing it from: > > http://vorbis.nm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-toronto.ogg > > How are you capturing it? > > I tried this to grab a 15s segment: > > timeout -w 15 -- > wget -v -O tmp.ogg http://vorbis.nm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-toronto.ogg > > (see The Unix Prog Env. for a similar 'timeout') > > I got a 36s segment OGG file. It appears that some history is captured > in the stream also. > Could you break your shows into segments shorter than 1h, if 1h > is a problem? As I showed in my reply, I use streamripper to capture a specific amount of the stream, and it works great. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 19:19:59 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:19:59 -0500 Subject: another aes-loopback question -- /tmp directory In-Reply-To: <20080302174023.33lxb0gi1wwcgckc-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080302174023.33lxb0gi1wwcgckc@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20080303191959.GG1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 05:40:23PM -0500, Mike Oliver wrote: > Wonder if anyone else has thought about this. > I would like to put my $HOME directory on an > encrypted partition, but leave /, /usr/bin, etc > unencrypted, so as to be able to boot up without > the passphrase in certain situations (e.g. giving > someone a guest login). I have most of it figured > out, but I'm not sure what to do with /tmp. > > What I would like to do is make /tmp a symlink > to something in $HOME. But the problem is that > I want to make $HOME a manual mount (mainly because > if you do automount, it prompts you for the passphrase > at boot time and echoes it to the screen). So > I would be booting with /tmp as a broken symlink, > and I won't have "orbit" files and so on (using KDE). > Does anyone know whether these things can be fixed > *after* starting KDE? Similar questions, I suppose, > for $HOME/Desktop and /var. /tmp ought to be in ram using tmpfs. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 19:21:35 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:21:35 -0500 Subject: help changing from lilo to grub In-Reply-To: <20080229140154.GB3918-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080229140154.GB3918@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20080303192135.GA8176@watson-wilson.ca> If fixed this by rewiring the hard drives. It was likely a BIOS thing. -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 19:28:05 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:28:05 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <47CBF2D8.1070301-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47C9C948.7030100@rogers.com> <200803021834.16729.fraser@wehave.net> <47CB4A9E.8010607@rogers.com> <20080303122541.0C28783833@sarg.ryerson.ca> <47CBF2D8.1070301@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080303192805.GH1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 07:45:12AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Technically superior in what way? IIRC, CDMA provides better spectrum > use, but GSM uses more bits for encoding the voice, which results in > better audio quality. However, it's been a while since I read the book > on cell phone technology. A strong signal doesn't get you much, if the > audio quality is poor. Also, coverage has nothing to do with > technology. That depends on where the carrier wants to spend their > money. Rogers and Bell also have the choice of two bands, which gives > them more flexibility for coverage, than Telus, which has only the high > band to work with (At least in this part of the country. It may be > different out west, where Telus was the principal phone company. Rogers > has both bands available across the entire country.). The lower 800 MHz > band tends to have better range than the 1900 MHz band. This situation > goes back to the days when there were only two carriers in each region, > that shared the low band. In Ontario & Quebec, it's Bell and Rogers. > Out west it was Telus and Rogers. CDMA has one major flaw. It is called Qualcomm. They own some key patents on CDMA and believe they should earn a fortune on license fees and will sue anyone who even thinks of infringing on their patent pile. GSM was in large part the answer to avoiding dealing with Qualcomm by everyone else in the cell phone business. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jieshu-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 20:34:10 2008 From: jieshu-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jie Shu) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:34:10 -0500 Subject: Who reads Chinese? In-Reply-To: <151921.81552.qm-57gzaD/7YRGB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <151921.81552.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <68a8796b0803031234g51a82796r247bdc05d07b07d7@mail.gmail.com> Hi Colin, Chinese is my native language. I've read both articles and I think the translation is good. Just one thing, for the four freedoms, the translation listed them as 0,1,3,4. I think that's a typo. On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > Quick note, recently I was asked if I would okay the > translation of an interview I did with Richard M. > Stallman (president of the Free-Software Foundation) > into Chinese. My answer was that I was fine with that. > The translation has now appeared: > > http://www.yeeyan.com/articles/view/14433/5207 > > Now I am a bit curious as to the quality of the > translation, so question is of the folks on this list, > who can read the above and offer an opinion? The > original interview can be seen here: > > www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/interview_with_richard_stallman > > Thanks. > > Colin McGregor > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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If it stopped, why not loop the code to continue capturing, as a backup? > | I got a 36s segment OGG file. It appears that some history is captured > | in the stream also. > > What do you mean by "history"? I ran the capture for 15s real time, but got 36s of data. If I immediately rerun the capture, the first 20s would be duplicated. > | Could you break your shows into segments shorter than 1h, if 1h > | is a problem? > > Sure, but what do you do with the seams? I don't like > discontinuities. Ideally, no, but there may be no choice. I did notice that the OGG files seem to have time codes built in. Perhaps, there are some OGG file editors that can recombine them. I did some testing of creating 5m MP3 files from WMA files, from CBC's "The Debaters" (a great show). The discontinuities consisted of the occassional 1 word repeat, which didn't bother me. > | I hadn't heard of 'mmsrip'. That seems to be a good tool. > | I haven't done much capturing, but I have used VLC (gui based), or this: > | > | mplayer.exe -dumpstream mms://somehost.com/somedirectory/somefile.wmv > > Is this under DOS or MS Windows? What's this ".exe" thing? I think I copied that from somewhere else, but I ran it under Linux, so that should be: mplayer -dumpstream mms://... > | Why rely on alternate timezones which are arbitrary, instead of > | a general solution? > | Why not set up a daemon to capture the stream every N minutes, > | along with some cleanup routines? > > You mean capture the radio all the time? That seems a bit rude: > wasting CBC's bandwidth for no good reason. It would waste disk space > too unless I threw it away regularly (which proves that the bandwidth > was wasted). That is a good point, but how wasteful is it really? I mean large corporations and their servers must expect lots of "hits" to their live feed, with many people continuously listening to their station. It "wastes" disk space, but you just remove files after N days. The other choice is to record live from air, direct to digital. My MP3 player can do that, and save the result as WAV, but this is not so convenient as I have to leave it on before the show I want. > | Why bother with WMA format at all? I had a player from several > | years ago that played WMA files. It does not play today's WMA files. > | Convert it to MP3, so it will work in ALL MP3 players. > | I know, the quality suffers slightly converting lossy to lossy, > | but this is not high fidelity music we are talking about. > > The sound is bad enough. I don't wish to make it worse. So I would > have to use a high mp3 bitrate. Then I would waste disk space. And > waste flash memory in the player. > > I admit that this is theory. I haven't tested. But there is only one > way for sound to come out through a lossy codec: worse. I listened to the MP3 files converted from WMA and they were not bad. The high bit rate was not needed; 64 kbps was fine. > | I tried this: > | > | $ ffmpeg -i cbc01.wma cbc01.mp3 > | $ file cbc01.mp3 > | cbc01.mp3: MPEG ADTS, layer II, v1, 64 kBits, 44.1 kHz, Monaural > | > | Unfortunately, it produced an MP2 file, not MP3. > | I am not sure what is wrong. MP2 is similar, > | but may not be supported on all MP3 players. > > I don't know what all the darned codecs are. ffmpeg does have a flag > (-formats) to print a list of supported codecs (the list depends on > how it was compiled, for example). It also has a flag (-acodec) to > specify the audio codec to use. I'd say RTFM but, in the case of > ffmpeg, that would be very cruel. I have the '--enable-libmp3lame' flag, but '-acodec mp3' does not work. ie: does work: ffmpeg -i tmp1.ogg -acodec mp2 tmp1.mp3 does not work: ffmpeg -i tmp1.ogg -acodec mp3 tmp1.mp3 > | Also, I don't like MP3 files longer than 10m because > | many MP3 players do not have a "very very fast-forward", nor > | a rewind into the end of the previous track. > > I've yet to deal with this. My preferred players have an option to > resume where they left off. This is mostly good enough. "Resume" is a fairly common standard. The problem is with clumsy fingers or being jostled. You want to rewind or fast forward a little, so you try to hold the ">>" or "<<" button, but you accidently tap the button instead. Now you at the start of a track, instead of the middle. Getting back to where you were can be time consuming. > I intend to try RockBox. I have even bought a Sandisk e2xx player to > run it. I intend to hack it to do what I want. But I haven't even > installed RockBox yet. Why is this better than using a USM MP3 player, if you have a choice? Are you hacking it get it to work or to do something more? > Players seem to get worse, not better. I don't use my ZenV much. It > doesn't think that it holds files, it thinks it holds music. So > instead of UMS (USB Mass Storage -- looks like a disk), it has another > protocol (perhaps MTP / PaysForSure). So you navigate through albums > and artists and other things for which I have not internalized a model. > I put stuff on it using gnomad2. I had to hack on that to get it to > work on x86_64 (so I now have check-in rights on the development tree). > > My Samsung devices are UMS because I found firmware for other places > (Singapore?) that did this. The stock North American firmware is MTP > / PaysForSure. Grrr. I think that the UMS firmware supports ogg > vorbis, but I don't know for sure. I don't bother with those "pay" DRM players. I am now using an MPIO ML200 (2GB) player and am fairly satisfied with it. I copy MP3 files thru the USB port. Yes, some older players even had more features. The best one I had was the RioVolt SP250 MP3/CD player. > To get PaysForSure branding, Microsoft required player manufacturers > to drop ogg vorbis support. When this was pointed out to anti-trust > folks, Microsoft said "oh, we didn't really mean it". But the damage was > done -- I don't know of any PaysForSure licensees that now support ogg > vorbis. If I were a licensee, I would not trust that MS actually > meant their "we didn't really mean it". Are you using PlayForSure or other commercial service? Do you need that? -- Eric Battersby. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 01:25:33 2008 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Moniz Family) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:25:33 -0500 Subject: Yet Another iPod Question In-Reply-To: <20080302145431.4f1207f5-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3084D.1010900@sympatico.ca> <200802251344.55268.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <47C32F77.7020302@sympatico.ca> <200802261005.21014.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <47C87ACB.10000@sympatico.ca> <20080302145431.4f1207f5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <47CCA50D.9080603@sympatico.ca> JoeHill wrote: > John Moniz wrote: > > >> Jason Shein wrote: >> >>> As per the documentation, at least one song needs to be transferred to the >>> iPod prior to using Floola. >>> >>> I personally prefer gtkpod, but it only works for certain colours and size >>> combinations of the iPod nano. Of the 8gb models, only the silver version >>> is supported due to device IDs. >>> >>> If you attempt to attach gtkpd to an unsupported nano, it trashes the >>> database, and requires a repair using iTunes. ( as I found out ) >>> >>> >>> Floola works great for videos, mp3. and cover art on my daughters ( green >>> 8GB nano ) >>> >> Thanks Jason. I went looking for places where I could get an 8gb silver >> iPod and found a few. Unfortunately, I got stuck out of town and had my >> wife and daughter go out to get one. The nice man at the store convinced >> them that there was no difference, so they came back with a black 3rd >> gen nano. >> >> First I set up the iPod with iTunes to make sure it was working OK. >> After a few songs were installed, I plugged it in to a linux PC. I could >> tell that the device was recognized from dmesg, but it would not mount >> itself to /media/ipod, which is where my son's iPod classic video mounts >> to on my machine. I tried creating the needed directory, setting the >> permissions and mounting it manually, but the permissions reset >> themselves to root and none of the players can use it. Amarock gives an >> error that it cannot write the lock file to the device because of denied >> permission. gtkpod was hopeless. >> > > Use whatever mount point your system creates for it, if there is one. It does > not have to use /media/ipod. Mine, for example, is /mnt/BORG. This can then be > set in the preferences of whatever you decide to use, ie. Amarok or GTKPod. > > From what I've seen from the people at libgpod/gtkpod, any ipod or nano there is > should work just fine with libgpod 0.6.0, including the ipod touch and iphone. > libgpod is the basis for either Amarok or gtkpod to work, and as I say, it > should not matter what mount point your system assigns to the device. If your > system is not assigning any mount point, the problem is more than the colour of > the nano or the app you're using. > The problem I had (FC4 and Ubuntu 6.06) was that the ipod was not creating a mount point at all. However, it seems to be fixed in newer versions. It was OK with my daughter's Ubunty 7.10. When I manually created a mount point, the permissions would default to root (after mounting), it wouldn't let me change it, and as a result the ipod was not accessible by any player. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 01:42:05 2008 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Moniz Family) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:42:05 -0500 Subject: Yet Another iPod Question In-Reply-To: <200803021142.57658.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3084D.1010900@sympatico.ca> <200802261005.21014.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <47C87ACB.10000@sympatico.ca> <200803021142.57658.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <47CCA8ED.1010101@sympatico.ca> Jason Shein wrote: > On Friday 29 February 2008 04:36:11 pm John Moniz wrote: > >> Thanks Jason. I went looking for places where I could get an 8gb silver >> iPod and found a few. Unfortunately, I got stuck out of town and had my >> wife and daughter go out to get one. The nice man at the store convinced >> them that there was no difference, so they came back with a black 3rd >> gen nano. >> >> First I set up the iPod with iTunes to make sure it was working OK. >> After a few songs were installed, I plugged it in to a linux PC. I could >> tell that the device was recognized from dmesg, but it would not mount >> itself to /media/ipod, which is where my son's iPod classic video mounts >> to on my machine. I tried creating the needed directory, setting the >> permissions and mounting it manually, but the permissions reset >> themselves to root and none of the players can use it. Amarock gives an >> error that it cannot write the lock file to the device because of denied >> permission. gtkpod was hopeless. >> >> I installed floola, but it crashes with exception errors every time I >> try to do anything at all with it. >> >> This is my daughter's iPod and she has a newer ubuntu just recently >> installed. I'll try there all over again, but it won't be until tomorrow >> when I take her back to school. There are some posts on the ubuntu forum >> that claim the nano 3G problem has been resolved, I just hope it >> includes the mounting problem I'm having. >> >> It would be nice to know if anyone's iPod nano (3rd gen) mounts itself >> properly upon plugging in. >> > > > > Another option, that I have used in the past is Yamipod > http://www.yamipod.com/main/modules/home/ > > I had limited success with this, but it seems that results are varying for > each solution depending on the Linux distro in use, and the iPod generation > and color. > > Let me know how you make out. It was success and heartache one right after the other. Everything worked perfectly as soon as I plugged it in my daughter's Ubuntu 7.10. It self-mounted and was recognized by Amarok and gtkpod after I set them up. My daughter spent the rest of the evening loading songs with Amarok, the one she favours. Then Amarok crashed, disappearing from the screen altogether. All of the songs diasappeared from the ipod. However, they were all visible and playable with Amarok and gtkpod. If I added or removed a song with one player, the change would show up on the other. But nothing in the ipod. The usage reading in the ipod was showing "Other" as being used, but not "Audio". I deleted all of the songs and the usage of "other" went way down. The songs were there, but not registered as an Audio file. I figure the itunes database must have gotten corrupted. She's off to a friend's to reinstall itunes and start all over again. She's at UWO, so I can't really help her. I was thinking of backing up the entire ipod onto her PC next time I'm there. I mean all of the files, not just the songs. Maybe any corrupted files could be brought back with a back-up??? It's a bit disappointing for her and I know she'll worry every time she uses either Amarok or gtkpod from now on. Thanks for all of your help. By the way, I couldn't install floola because it would not accept the fwid. I am certain I had the right one as I found the same number two different ways (a 16 digit #). Maybe it was because I tried installing floola after all of the songs had been deleted from the ipod and you said I had to install at least one song with itunes. I'll try it again when the ipod is working again. John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 01:56:21 2008 From: walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 20:56:21 -0500 Subject: ASUS EEE with 8.9 inch screen at Cebit 2008 Message-ID: <20080304015621.GA15462@waltdnes.org> No, it's NOT a rumour. The official press conference is Tuesday March 4, but it's actually being shown at The Cebit 2008 show. Engadget has a couple of stories and lots of photos at http://www.engadget.com/tag/Cebit2008/ Boy, am I glad I delayed buying the 7-incher. -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 02:02:01 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:02:01 -0500 Subject: ASUS EEE with 8.9 inch screen at Cebit 2008 In-Reply-To: <20080304015621.GA15462-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20080304015621.GA15462@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <47CCAD99.4040505@alteeve.com> walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > No, it's NOT a rumour. The official press conference is Tuesday March > 4, but it's actually being shown at The Cebit 2008 show. Engadget has a > couple of stories and lots of photos at > http://www.engadget.com/tag/Cebit2008/ > > Boy, am I glad I delayed buying the 7-incher. > No word on the resolution yet, eh? That's my big thing with the Eee I've got here. Absolutely love it, but would love it a long time more if it had a high res. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 02:17:03 2008 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:17:03 -0500 Subject: ASUS EEE with 8.9 inch screen at Cebit 2008 In-Reply-To: <47CCAD99.4040505-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080304015621.GA15462@waltdnes.org> <47CCAD99.4040505@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20080303211703.d737e0aa.tleslie@tcn.net> http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3523905&body=MAIN#detailspecs i love the Eee i just got to , at 400$ I got some tiger direct junk mail today and checked it out, and , well for 200$ more ... that lenovo just blows the Eee away, but maybe its a limited lost leader sale. I think the Eee is more durable, but i am having real difficultly with the keyboard, i type fast and it simply doesn't seem to capture all my strokes on it. I was thinking of getting a 2nd Eee for my wife, as she like the Eee i just bought, but the lenovo for 600$ ... its going to be very hard to pass up. -tl On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:02:01 -0500 Madison Kelly wrote: > walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > No, it's NOT a rumour. The official press conference is Tuesday March > > 4, but it's actually being shown at The Cebit 2008 show. Engadget has a > > couple of stories and lots of photos at > > http://www.engadget.com/tag/Cebit2008/ > > > > Boy, am I glad I delayed buying the 7-incher. > > > > No word on the resolution yet, eh? That's my big thing with the Eee I've > got here. Absolutely love it, but would love it a long time more if it > had a high res. :) > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 02:31:51 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:31:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: capturing CBC Radio from an internet stream In-Reply-To: <20080303043203.M94070-Ja3L+HSX0kI@public.gmane.org> References: <20080302023745.P94070@vex.net> <20080303043203.M94070@vex.net> Message-ID: | From: Eric Battersby | On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > Originally this worked fine. Perhaps a year later, it seemed to often | > stop about 30 or 40 minutes in. Which was annoying. | | Did it hang or stop? | If it stopped, why not loop the code to continue capturing, as | a backup? It stopped. A loop might work. With gaps, I assume. Probably no "history". | > What do you mean by "history"? | | I ran the capture for 15s real time, but got 36s of data. | If I immediately rerun the capture, the first 20s would be duplicated. Interesting phenomenon. Interesting term for this. | > You mean capture the radio all the time? That seems a bit rude: | > wasting CBC's bandwidth for no good reason. It would waste disk space | > too unless I threw it away regularly (which proves that the bandwidth | > was wasted). | | That is a good point, but how wasteful is it really? | I mean large corporations and their servers must expect lots | of "hits" to their live feed, | with many people continuously listening to their station. This approach is does not matter when there are only a few folks that do this. It doesn't scale. Not really "fair" to put that load on their server. | It "wastes" disk space, but you just remove files after N days. | | The other choice is to record live from air, direct to digital. | My MP3 player can do that, and save the result as WAV, but | this is not so convenient as I have to leave it on before | the show I want. I bought a cheap USB tuner but it has no Linux support. To be honest, I have too much to listent to, so missing what I don't know about is a Good Thing. | > The sound is bad enough. I don't wish to make it worse. So I would | > have to use a high mp3 bitrate. Then I would waste disk space. And | > waste flash memory in the player. | > | > I admit that this is theory. I haven't tested. But there is only one | > way for sound to come out through a lossy codec: worse. | | I listened to the MP3 files converted from WMA and they were not bad. | The high bit rate was not needed; 64 kbps was fine. Interesting. | > | Also, I don't like MP3 files longer than 10m because | > | many MP3 players do not have a "very very fast-forward", nor | > | a rewind into the end of the previous track. | > | > I've yet to deal with this. My preferred players have an option to | > resume where they left off. This is mostly good enough. | | "Resume" is a fairly common standard. | The problem is with clumsy fingers or being jostled. | You want to rewind or fast forward a little, so you try to hold the | ">>" or "<<" button, but you accidently tap the button instead. Now | you at the start of a track, instead of the middle. | Getting back to where you were can be time consuming. I certainly agree. That's what the "mostly" was about. | > I intend to try RockBox. | | Why is this better than using a USM MP3 player, if you have a choice? | Are you hacking it get it to work or to do something more? Open source means, in theory, that you can make it do what you want. | I don't bother with those "pay" DRM players. All new players that I've looked into have DRM. | I am now using an MPIO ML200 (2GB) player and am fairly satisfied | with it. I copy MP3 files thru the USB port. | Yes, some older players even had more features. | The best one I had was the RioVolt SP250 MP3/CD player. The MPIO has no PaysForSure? | Are you using PlayForSure or other commercial service? | Do you need that? No. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 03:11:15 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:11:15 -0500 Subject: ASUS EEE with 8.9 inch screen at Cebit 2008 In-Reply-To: <20080303211703.d737e0aa.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20080304015621.GA15462@waltdnes.org> <47CCAD99.4040505@alteeve.com> <20080303211703.d737e0aa.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <47CCBDD3.8070008@utoronto.ca> ted leslie wrote: > http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3523905&body=MAIN#detailspecs > > i love the Eee i just got to , at 400$ > I got some tiger direct junk mail today and checked it out, > and , well for 200$ more ... that lenovo just blows the Eee away, > but maybe its a limited lost leader sale. > > I think the Eee is more durable, but i am having real difficultly with the keyboard, > i type fast and it simply doesn't seem to capture all my strokes on it. > > I was thinking of getting a 2nd Eee for my wife, as she like the Eee i just bought, > but the lenovo for 600$ ... its going to be very hard to pass up. > > -tl Says it all: "This masterful 6.4-pound PC features a 15.4-inch display" Not a good endorsement by any means. Apples to oranges and all that. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 05:49:48 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 00:49:48 -0500 Subject: Yet Another iPod Question In-Reply-To: <47CCA8ED.1010101-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3084D.1010900@sympatico.ca> <200802261005.21014.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <47C87ACB.10000@sympatico.ca> <200803021142.57658.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <47CCA8ED.1010101@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20080304004948.50d63dde@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Moniz Family wrote: [whack] > > It was success and heartache one right after the other. > > Everything worked perfectly as soon as I plugged it in my daughter's > Ubuntu 7.10. It self-mounted and was recognized by Amarok and gtkpod > after I set them up. My daughter spent the rest of the evening loading > songs with Amarok, the one she favours. Then Amarok crashed, > disappearing from the screen altogether. > > All of the songs diasappeared from the ipod. However, they were all > visible and playable with Amarok and gtkpod. If I added or removed a > song with one player, the change would show up on the other. But nothing > in the ipod. The usage reading in the ipod was showing "Other" as being > used, but not "Audio". I deleted all of the songs and the usage of > "other" went way down. The songs were there, but not registered as an > Audio file. > > I figure the itunes database must have gotten corrupted. Not corrutped, it's just that Apple's new database cannot be read by older versions of libgpod, which as I mentioned above Amarok and gtkpod depend on to work properly. > She's off to a friend's to reinstall itunes and start all over again. She's > at UWO, so I can't really help her. I was thinking of backing up the entire > ipod onto her PC next time I'm there. I mean all of the files, not just the > songs. Maybe any corrupted files could be brought back with a back-up??? > > It's a bit disappointing for her and I know she'll worry every time she > uses either Amarok or gtkpod from now on. Continuing to use older versions of libgpod will cause problems, as the database will be out of sync, ie. itunes can write to it but gtkpod/amarok can't. > Thanks for all of your help. This is why I brought up the thing about libgpod above: you need at least libgpod 0.6.0 for newer ipods to work. Otherwise, they will mount, and you can load songs on them, and yes you will even see the space on the ipod used up, but you will not be able to play anything. I am sure there are packages for Ubuntu 7.10 that will get this working, though I'm not sure if they are in the default repositories yet. These are the repos that worked for my 7.10 install: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/rharding/ubuntu gutsy main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/rharding/ubuntu gutsy main Here are the instructions for building from SVN, but you say your daughter is away at school, so I guess you would want to go with the packages for Ubuntu. More recent SVN revisions do have a lot of improvements for both libgpod and gtkpod, so if there was some way you could do this for her remotely I'd recommend it (ssh?). Whether you load the Ubuntu packages or SVN, make sure you read the documentation regarding loading the ipod for the first time. Last I checked, libgpod could still not read the ipod's firewire ID, so you need to have that added or add it yourself. It's pretty simple, just editing a text file. This is from my README.sysinfo file that came with libgpod SVN: "There are two ways to set up the iPod to make libgpod able to find its firewire id. The 1st one is mostly automated. First, make sure you have libsgutils installed before running configure/autogen.sh. If you built libgpod without it, install it and run configure/make/make install. You should now have an ipod-read-sysinfo-extended tool available. Run it with the iPod device path (eg /dev/sda) and the iPod mount point (eg /mnt/ipod) as arguments. This may require root privileges. ipod-read-sysinfo-extended will read an XML file from the iPod and write it as /mnt/ipod/iPod_Control/Device/SysInfoExtended. See http://ipodlinux.org/Device_Information for more details about the method used. Having that file is enough for libgpod to figure out the iPod firewire id. The 2nd method requires more manual intervention. First, you need to get your firewire id manually. To do that, run "sudo lsusb -v | grep -i Serial" (without the "") with your iPod plugged in, this should print a 16 character long string like 00A1234567891231. For an iPod Touch, this number will be much longer than 16 characters, the firewire ID is constituted by the first 16 characters. Once you have that number, create/edit /mnt/ipod/iPod_Control/Device/SysInfo (if your iPod is mounted at /mnt/ipod). Add to that file the line below: FirewireGuid: 0xffffffffffffffff (replace ffffffffffffffff with the string you obtained at the previous step and don't forget the trailing 0x before the string) Save that file, and you should be all set. Be careful when using apps which lets you manually specify which iPod model you own, they may overwrite that file when you do that. So if after doing that libgpod still seems to write invalid content to the iPod, double-check the content of that SysInfo file to make sure the FirewireGuid line you added isn't gone. If that happens, readd it to the end of the file, and make sure libgpod rewrite the iPod content. Once that is done, if you compiled libgpod from source, you can test that libgpod can find the firewire ID on your iPod by running libgpod/tests/test-firewire-id /ipod/mount/point" Building from source (not nearly as difficult as you might think, and a lot of benefits): 0. Install libmp4v2-devel so that gtkpod is build with support for...well, mp4. 1. Grab libgpod svn: svn co https://gtkpod.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gtkpod/libgpod/trunk libgpod *Important* read the README.sysinfo file and follow the instructions. ...then build and install the usual way (I used ./configure --prefix=/usr) 2. Grab gtkpod svn: svn co https://gtkpod.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gtkpod/gtkpod/trunk gtkpod ...and build and install the usual way. If you have any trouble, or I've missed something, do not hesitate to ask me, I've been through this frustration myself :-) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "Bender, we didn't mind your drinking or your cleptomania or your pornography ring." -Leela "In fact, that's why we love you." -Zoidberg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 12:04:57 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:04:57 -0500 Subject: CD-RW In-Reply-To: <20080303191437.GE1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47C9558D.6010401@chrisaitken.net> <47C95D78.5010308@rogers.com> <47C9663E.7050402@chrisaitken.net> <20080303191437.GE1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47CD3AE9.6030009@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 09:20:46AM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > > >>Well, yeah, but some CD-Rs I've burned play on anything. I'm starting to >>shop songs around so I want to make sure the CDs I burn will play on >>anything. Teh one time some A&R decides to spin your CD you don't want >>it to fail in whatever CD player he throws it in. For instance, >>store-bought CDs will play in anything. Why? How can I get that >>consistency on CDs I burn? How can I burn CDs that won't "depend[] on >>the player"? Will I be safer with CD-Rs instead of CD-RWs? It seems so >>but I don't know so. >> >> > >A CD-R should work on any CD player. > Looks like you're right. I bought a spindle of CD-Rs, burned my song to one, and it plays in the car and on my old JVC CD player. Thanks, Chris > It won't work on many older DVD >players however. CD-RW only works on newer devices that know about them >in many cases. So the only sure thing is a pressed CD. CD-R is the >next best bet, with the ones that are silver looking (maybe a slight >blue tint) being more likely to work than ones that are clearly coloured >green or blue on the recording surface. The ones that are almost >entirely silver in colour can even work in some cases on old single >laser DVD players that otherwise only support DVDs and pressed CDs. > >-- >Len Sorensen >-- > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 12:09:48 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:09:48 -0500 Subject: CD-RW In-Reply-To: <20080303191437.GE1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47C9558D.6010401@chrisaitken.net> <47C95D78.5010308@rogers.com> <47C9663E.7050402@chrisaitken.net> <20080303191437.GE1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47CD3C0C.4090704@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 09:20:46AM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > > >>Well, yeah, but some CD-Rs I've burned play on anything. I'm starting to >>shop songs around so I want to make sure the CDs I burn will play on >>anything. Teh one time some A&R decides to spin your CD you don't want >>it to fail in whatever CD player he throws it in. For instance, >>store-bought CDs will play in anything. Why? How can I get that >>consistency on CDs I burn? How can I burn CDs that won't "depend[] on >>the player"? Will I be safer with CD-Rs instead of CD-RWs? It seems so >>but I don't know so. >> >> > >A CD-R should work on any CD player. It won't work on many older DVD >players however. CD-RW only works on newer devices that know about them >in many cases. So the only sure thing is a pressed CD. > Is it really pressed (loosely analogous to vinyl record pressing) as opposed to burned - or are you just nostalgically referring to store-bought CDs (from a CD music store) as "pressed". Really, what I want to know is can you "press" CDs at home? > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 12:12:56 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:12:56 -0500 Subject: CD-RW In-Reply-To: <47CD3C0C.4090704-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47C9558D.6010401@chrisaitken.net> <47C95D78.5010308@rogers.com> <47C9663E.7050402@chrisaitken.net> <20080303191437.GE1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47CD3C0C.4090704@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47CD3CC8.3040909@rogers.com> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: >> >> A CD-R should work on any CD player. It won't work on many older DVD >> players however. CD-RW only works on newer devices that know about them >> in many cases. So the only sure thing is a pressed CD. > Is it really pressed (loosely analogous to vinyl record pressing) as > opposed to burned - or are you just nostalgically referring to > store-bought CDs (from a CD music store) as "pressed". Really, what I > want to know is can you "press" CDs at home? Commercial CDs are stamped or "pressed". Sure, you can do that at home, provided you have many thousands to spend on the equipment. ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_manufacturing -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 13:37:07 2008 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:37:07 -0500 Subject: Yet Another iPod Question In-Reply-To: <47CCA8ED.1010101-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3084D.1010900@sympatico.ca> <200803021142.57658.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <47CCA8ED.1010101@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200803040837.07356.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Monday 03 March 2008 08:42:05 pm Moniz Family wrote: > All of the songs diasappeared from the ipod. However, they were all > visible and playable with Amarok and gtkpod. If I added or removed a > song with one player, the change would show up on the other. But nothing > in the ipod. The usage reading in the ipod was showing "Other" as being > used, but not "Audio". I deleted all of the songs and the usage of > "other" went way down. The songs were there, but not registered as an > Audio file. > > I figure the itunes database must have gotten corrupted. That is correct. This is the issue I found when working with the new iPods. The color of the ipod determines some type of encoding for the database, which is why the proper color must be chosen in order to work. When I use my daughters 8gb iPod nano ( green ) with gtkpod, and choose the only 8gb option available ( silver ) it corrupts the database every time, and needs to be wiped by iTunes. -- Jason Shein Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 647 ) - 505 - 5002 http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 14:55:10 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:55:10 -0500 Subject: ASUS EEE with 8.9 inch screen at Cebit 2008 In-Reply-To: <47CCAD99.4040505-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080304015621.GA15462@waltdnes.org> <47CCAD99.4040505@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280803040655w3ac12c26qfecee024bd7ff1e6@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: > walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > No, it's NOT a rumour. The official press conference is Tuesday March > > 4, but it's actually being shown at The Cebit 2008 show. Engadget has a > > couple of stories and lots of photos at > > http://www.engadget.com/tag/Cebit2008/ > No word on the resolution yet, eh? That's my big thing with the Eee I've > got here. Absolutely love it, but would love it a long time more if it > had a high res. :) http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/04/asus-9-inch-eee-pc-now-with-living-pixels/ Sometimes it's an advantage to read these threads hours or days late. Engadget put up another post with pictures of the new Eee turned on, and mentioned the resolution: 1024x600. Also available in Linux or Windows XP versions (let's hear it for Vista up-take!). -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 15:07:28 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:07:28 -0500 Subject: ASUS EEE with 8.9 inch screen at Cebit 2008 In-Reply-To: <20080303211703.d737e0aa.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20080304015621.GA15462@waltdnes.org> <47CCAD99.4040505@alteeve.com> <20080303211703.d737e0aa.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <20080304150728.GI1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 09:17:03PM -0500, ted leslie wrote: > http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3523905&body=MAIN#detailspecs > > i love the Eee i just got to , at 400$ > I got some tiger direct junk mail today and checked it out, > and , well for 200$ more ... that lenovo just blows the Eee away, > but maybe its a limited lost leader sale. > > I think the Eee is more durable, but i am having real difficultly with the keyboard, > i type fast and it simply doesn't seem to capture all my strokes on it. > > I was thinking of getting a 2nd Eee for my wife, as she like the Eee i just bought, > but the lenovo for 600$ ... its going to be very hard to pass up. Somehow comparing a 15.4" standard laptop against an ultra portable with everything squished into almost no space just isn't fair. The Eee is much smaller and easier to carry in your bag with you at all times, unlike a giant laptop like that (and 15.4" laptops are giant, now that my wife switched to the 13" tablet. :) The Eee is also solid state disk rather than a harddrive which makes it more durable (and a lot smaller in disk space). Hard to compare though. A 16GB solid state disk can cost $500 which would already make the laptop cost a lot more given the disk it comes with is close to $100. I guess the 4GB in the Eee is probably ssimilar in cost to the 160GB drive if you bought it seperately (Asus likely pays a lot less). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 15:34:53 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:34:53 -0500 Subject: ASUS EEE with 8.9 inch screen at Cebit 2008 In-Reply-To: <1f13df280803040655w3ac12c26qfecee024bd7ff1e6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080304015621.GA15462@waltdnes.org> <47CCAD99.4040505@alteeve.com> <1f13df280803040655w3ac12c26qfecee024bd7ff1e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080304153453.GJ1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 09:55:10AM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/04/asus-9-inch-eee-pc-now-with-living-pixels/ > > Sometimes it's an advantage to read these threads hours or days late. > Engadget put up another post with pictures of the new Eee turned on, > and mentioned the resolution: 1024x600. Also available in Linux or > Windows XP versions (let's hear it for Vista up-take!). Vista is too resource heavy for light weight (in every meaning up the term) machines, and for the most part all the extra resources are simply wasted on useless eye candy. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 10:39:24 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:39:24 +0000 Subject: ASUS EEE with 8.9 inch screen at Cebit 2008 In-Reply-To: <20080304150728.GI1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080304015621.GA15462@waltdnes.org> <47CCAD99.4040505@alteeve.com> <20080303211703.d737e0aa.tleslie@tcn.net> <20080304150728.GI1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47CD26DC.4060900@telly.org> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3523905&body=MAIN#detailspecs >> >> i love the Eee i just got to , at 400$ >> I got some tiger direct junk mail today and checked it out, >> and , well for 200$ more ... that lenovo just blows the Eee away, As has been mentioned, larger laptops have traditionally been less expensive than equal-quality smaller ones. (for a lenovo-to-lenovo comparison, consider the price of the new X300, which is as close as the company gets to the Asus in size/weight.) > The Eee is > much smaller and easier to carry in your bag with you at all times, Also consider air travel. If you're in economy class and the person in front of you leans the seat back, most conventional laptops can't open more than 45 degrees. Small systems like the Asus will work in that environment fine. This field is about to get even more crowded. HP will soon have an entry that's more expensive than the Asus but also have a very Mac-like slickness to it: http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/19/hps-umpc-2133-revealed/ > The Eee is also solid state disk > rather than a harddrive which makes it more durable (and a lot smaller > in disk space). Hard to compare though. A 16GB solid state disk can > cost $500 which would already make the laptop cost a lot more given the > disk it comes with is close to $100. A lot of that money goes towards the circuitry that makes the SSD look like a regular hard disk (ie, the ATA interface). Most of these small laptops accept SD cards for extra NVRAM. These days an 16GB SD card is under $100. http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=016766&cid=990.218.675 While the 24GB on an ASUS (8GB onboard plus 16GB of SD) is still a lot less than 160GB of a regular hard disk, it's still plenty for many -- and as has been said it's faster, lighter, cooler and more durable. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 15:40:35 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:40:35 -0500 Subject: CD-RW In-Reply-To: <47CD3C0C.4090704-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47C9558D.6010401@chrisaitken.net> <47C95D78.5010308@rogers.com> <47C9663E.7050402@chrisaitken.net> <20080303191437.GE1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47CD3C0C.4090704@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080304154035.GK1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 07:09:48AM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > Is it really pressed (loosely analogous to vinyl record pressing) as > opposed to burned - or are you just nostalgically referring to > store-bought CDs (from a CD music store) as "pressed". Really, what I > want to know is can you "press" CDs at home? Commercial CDs are in fact pressed just like vinyls. Much faster and cheaper. This is why they work with old single laser DVD players. There are physical pits that they can focus on, while a CD-R has a dye layer to block reflection of a certain wavelength of light (which is not the wavelength of a single laser DVD player). Anything using a CD player laser is fine with CD-R though since they still get the right reflection. CD-RW has less reflection and needs a more sensitive pickup to detect the reflections which makes many players unable to read them. So nothing nostalgic about refering to them as pressed. They literally are. You don't make much money on CDs if you have to spend 5 minutes each making them. 2 seconds is much more profitable. :) Sometimes you get very bad quality CDs that have errors due to someone trying to use the same mold for too long or using a low quality mold in the first place. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 15:57:14 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:57:14 -0500 Subject: ASUS EEE with 8.9 inch screen at Cebit 2008 In-Reply-To: <47CD26DC.4060900-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080304015621.GA15462@waltdnes.org> <47CCAD99.4040505@alteeve.com> <20080303211703.d737e0aa.tleslie@tcn.net> <20080304150728.GI1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47CD26DC.4060900@telly.org> Message-ID: <20080304155714.GL1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 10:39:24AM +0000, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > As has been mentioned, larger laptops have traditionally been less > expensive than equal-quality smaller ones. > > (for a lenovo-to-lenovo comparison, consider the price of the new X300, > which is as close as the company gets to the Asus in size/weight.) > > Also consider air travel. If you're in economy class and the person in > front of you leans the seat back, most conventional laptops can't open > more than 45 degrees. Small systems like the Asus will work in that > environment fine. > > This field is about to get even more crowded. > > HP will soon have an entry that's more expensive than the Asus but also > have a very Mac-like slickness to it: > http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/19/hps-umpc-2133-revealed/ No more HP products for me. > A lot of that money goes towards the circuitry that makes the SSD look > like a regular hard disk (ie, the ATA interface). Strangely Compact Flash seems cheap enough and it has an ATA interface too. > Most of these small laptops accept SD cards for extra NVRAM. These days > an 16GB SD card is under $100. > http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=016766&cid=990.218.675 > > While the 24GB on an ASUS (8GB onboard plus 16GB of SD) is still a lot > less than 160GB of a regular hard disk, it's still plenty for many -- > and as has been said it's faster, lighter, cooler and more durable. It's quite a bit. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 16:12:40 2008 From: gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Eric Battersby) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:12:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: capturing CBC Radio from an internet stream In-Reply-To: References: <20080302023745.P94070@vex.net> <20080303043203.M94070@vex.net> Message-ID: <20080304101423.M94070@vex.net> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | > What do you mean by "history"? > | > | I ran the capture for 15s real time, but got 36s of data. > | If I immediately rerun the capture, the first 20s would be duplicated. > > Interesting phenomenon. Interesting term for this. I don't know the "term". I just tried to convey what I found. BTW, with the WMA capture, and recapture, there seems to be about half a second of "history" or duplication. > | > You mean capture the radio all the time? That seems a bit rude: > | > wasting CBC's bandwidth for no good reason. It would waste disk space > | > too unless I threw it away regularly (which proves that the bandwidth > | > was wasted). > | > | That is a good point, but how wasteful is it really? > | I mean large corporations and their servers must expect lots > | of "hits" to their live feed, > | with many people continuously listening to their station. > > This approach is does not matter when there are only a few folks that > do this. It doesn't scale. Not really "fair" to put that load on > their server. How can there only be a "few folks" that do this (in effect) when the live radio link is on their main web page? If four people listen to CBC online for 6 hours that would produce the same effect. I don't expect "everyone" to do this, anyway. And what about the future, when "everyone" is using Internet radio in their cars (instead of broadcast or satellite)? > | > I intend to try RockBox. > | > | Why is this better than using a USM MP3 player, if you have a choice? > | Are you hacking it get it to work or to do something more? > > Open source means, in theory, that you can make it do what you want. I mean what do you want to do that a USM MP3 player cannot do? BTW, one common issue I've found with MP3 players, from the earliest days, is that they tend to play in directory order ('find' command order) rather than alphabetic, so I sometimes use a sorter script. > | I don't bother with those "pay" DRM players. > > All new players that I've looked into have DRM. > > | I am now using an MPIO ML200 (2GB) player and am fairly satisfied > | with it. I copy MP3 files thru the USB port. > | Yes, some older players even had more features. > | The best one I had was the RioVolt SP250 MP3/CD player. > > The MPIO has no PaysForSure? No, it does not. But it advertises support for MP3, WMA, ASF. http://www.thesourcecc.com/estore/product.aspx?language=en-CA&product=1419994&category=MP3-Flash&catalog=Online&tab=2&MSCSProfile=287001FD2674671CC1C6E1B8FD422E08EAD3D5C65DF5D0A76B78310BB0476D51A0EC6ED63FEC6E825B1BC833822929B8B36C289E01AC113B9EDD9680A46AA30F4F1AAD8DEF6136C6DA51DF8202BB0A1AF437A9E1D03C725859EF1E56FA70A4833086DCD7D7650F92B7A3EFE3BE0C4AA093BD557F5B1B629CDA1825171E0C39E89FEBFD3F79417B1E It can save and play files in WAV (IMA ADPCM) format. It cannot play files in WAV (Microsoft PCM) format, but I think 'sox' can convert between the two. -- Eric Battersby -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 19:10:32 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 14:10:32 -0500 Subject: Yet Another iPod Question In-Reply-To: <200803040837.07356.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3084D.1010900@sympatico.ca> <200803021142.57658.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <47CCA8ED.1010101@sympatico.ca> <200803040837.07356.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <20080304141032.09f08ce4@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Jason Shein wrote: > On Monday 03 March 2008 08:42:05 pm Moniz Family wrote: > > All of the songs diasappeared from the ipod. However, they were all > > visible and playable with Amarok and gtkpod. If I added or removed a > > song with one player, the change would show up on the other. But nothing > > in the ipod. The usage reading in the ipod was showing "Other" as being > > used, but not "Audio". I deleted all of the songs and the usage of > > "other" went way down. The songs were there, but not registered as an > > Audio file. > > > > I figure the itunes database must have gotten corrupted. > > That is correct. This is the issue I found when working with the new iPods. > The color of the ipod determines some type of encoding for the database, > which is why the proper color must be chosen in order to work. When I use my > daughters 8gb iPod nano ( green ) with gtkpod, and choose the only 8gb option > available ( silver ) it corrupts the database every time, and needs to be > wiped by iTunes. Each ipod colour has a designation, yes, so of course it won't work. However, perhaps because I am actually using an up to date gtkpod and libgpod, I do have entries for the 8GB in green, blue, red, black, and sllver :-) Is this thing on? ;) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: Yeah, well I'm gonna build my own lunar space lander! With blackjack aaaaannd Hookers! Actually, forget the space lander, and the blackjack. Ahhhh forget the whole thing! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 22:21:26 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:21:26 -0500 Subject: ASUS EEE with 8.9 inch screen at Cebit 2008 In-Reply-To: <1f13df280803040655w3ac12c26qfecee024bd7ff1e6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080304015621.GA15462@waltdnes.org> <47CCAD99.4040505@alteeve.com> <1f13df280803040655w3ac12c26qfecee024bd7ff1e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CDCB66.6060001@alteeve.com> Giles Orr wrote: > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: >> walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: >> > No, it's NOT a rumour. The official press conference is Tuesday March >> > 4, but it's actually being shown at The Cebit 2008 show. Engadget has a >> > couple of stories and lots of photos at >> > http://www.engadget.com/tag/Cebit2008/ > >> No word on the resolution yet, eh? That's my big thing with the Eee I've >> got here. Absolutely love it, but would love it a long time more if it >> had a high res. :) > > http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/04/asus-9-inch-eee-pc-now-with-living-pixels/ > > Sometimes it's an advantage to read these threads hours or days late. > Engadget put up another post with pictures of the new Eee turned on, > and mentioned the resolution: 1024x600. Also available in Linux or > Windows XP versions (let's hear it for Vista up-take!). > Well damn. That's what I've been waiting for! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 00:24:02 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:24:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: My grumbles with Rogers... Message-ID: <565506.79341.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This is the letter I dropped off at Rogers head office this morning... Yes, I am annoyed with them... This afternoon a Rogers Technician found that squirrels had attacked the cable where it left the left the utility pole, and the cable from house to utility pole was replaced... Who knows if that will actually fix the problem... I do know it has come time to move on from Rogers... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 151 Roehampton Ave. Toronto, Ontario M4P 1P9 March 4th, 2008 Ted Rogers President and CEO Rogers Communications 333 Bloor Street East Toronto, Ontatio M4W 1G9 Dear Ted Rogers, This letter is to share my great and profound frustration with the sort of high speed Internet service I have received from your firm since November 2007. I have served on the board of the Toronto Free-Net, so I am very grateful for the assistance your firm offered the Toronto Free-Net over the years, and it is that gratitude that has kept me as a Roger's high speed Internet client over the last few months, but even that has limits. In November my Internet connection went down and with only brief interruptions stayed down for two weeks. Since November my Internet connection has alternated between being down and typically running at speeds that have made me wistful for the days I had a dial-up connection into the Toronto Free-Net. I have spent a great deal of time talking to Rogers technical support which has been memorable for the wrong reasons. One support person suggested the problem was my home router, and that replacing that would likely solve the problem. A replacement changed nothing. A different support person told me he was unable to help because I was running Linux at home. A purchase of a used Macintosh, that I had been told was supported, taught me that your Macintosh support is almost as non-existant as your Linux support. Yet another support person told me to exchange my cable modem at the nearest Rogers store, which also changed nothing. A fourth support person told me that I didn't know anything about computers since I was not running Microsoft Windows, a comment that left me speechless. I would be happy to compare your support department's output the technical articles against the articles of mine that have been published in “Linux Journal”, “Free Software Magazine”, “Linux Format”, “Linux Pro Magazine” and “Tux Magazine” among other publications. Along the way in talking to Rogers technical support has become something I have come to dread. Among the technicians that come to my home, I have had technicians who have refused to anything when they saw there was a connection, if a slow one available at the time they arrived. One technician refused to look at the cable because there was snow on the ground. All of the waits for technicians have become a severe annoyance and a waste of time. In talking to your billing department I was given a $50 credit for the aggravation the lack of service has caused, but it was made clear that was a one time credit that would not be repeated. This does not come close cover the consulting work I have lost through not having a reliable Internet service provider. In the wake of late submitted projects, it also does not cover the aggravation of having to apologize for my choice in an ISPs. So, where does that leave me? Well, the quality of service I have received has forced me to reevaluate all aspects of the services I have received from Rogers. This reevaluation has caused me to cancel my extra cable outlet. An note as to how to set-up a central in-house server to stream video content over Ethernet to computers through the house is part of my most recently submitted article to “Linux Journal”, to allow others to get rid of extra cable outlets. I am evaluating which of the ADSL providers I will use to replace Rogers High Speed, currently the leading contender costs more than your service but at least appear to offer reliability and speed that your firm lacks. I am also evaluating satellite TV provider options. Finally, in spite of what I was told earlier I expect a further credit to my account for the lack of service I have received. Yours truly, Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 01:23:48 2008 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:23:48 -0500 Subject: My grumbles with Rogers... In-Reply-To: <565506.79341.qm-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <565506.79341.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47CDF624.2020108@dinamis.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > This is the letter I dropped off at Rogers head office > this morning... Yes, I am annoyed with them... > > This afternoon a Rogers Technician found that > squirrels had attacked the cable where it left the > left the utility pole, and the cable from house to > utility pole was replaced... Who knows if that will > actually fix the problem... I do know it has come time > to move on from Rogers... [snip] I have been experiencing periods of "laggy" service. Running mtr reveals that the first hop after my cable modem usually has at least 25% packet loss while at the worse times, it is upwards of 50 or 60%. I have shell accounts on various servers on various networks and it is particularly noticeable when I type something in the shell. I know it is not a loading issue on the servers in question nor any problem with the network at the other end because when I am at other locations, I can connect to the same servers with no lag or packet loss whatsoever. The packet loss is consistently on the first hop regardless of what the destination is and it there is no discernible pattern to when it is higher or lower. When I called to report this, I was told I would have to connect directly to the cable modem with a Windows machine with no firewall and no router and that they could not see any problems on the line. Doing this involves some hassle on my part so I forgot about until yesterday, when once again, the lag on my various shells was intolerable. I shut down my Linux router/firewall, powered up an XP laptop, power-cycled the cable modem, and connected the XP laptop directly to the cable modem. Not surprisingly, WinMTR reported 70% packet loss on the first hop. I captured its output and mailed it to Rogers "support". I got back what seemed like a canned reply from a Mike H. in which I was asked to connect directly to the cable modem with a Windows machine, disable the firewall, get my IP address, ping some sites, run "tracert", and hit various "speed test" sites. They seem happy to dismiss the high packet loss as "normal" if the "speed test" site "proves" that they are supposedly delivering what they claim to be delivering. When I responded to Mike H.'s canned response and pointed out that "ping", for example, is not going to provide any more useful information than MTR to diagnose the problem and that I had already provided all that he had asked for, he escalated the case to their network support department, or so he claims. We shall see if this has any impact. By the way Colin, your case underscores why one should not rely on the company from which you get your Internet connectivity for your email account(s). Your email address is part of your on-line identity. It costs next to nothing to register a domain and get it hosted. (Contact me if you need help.) Particularly when you are a published writer, it makes sense to have a permanent email address independent of your ISP. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 12:26:51 2008 From: tlug-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slackrat) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:26:51 +0100 Subject: Bash Question Message-ID: <87bq5t5pbo.fsf@azurservers.com> I have a problem with the prompt colours in Bash 3.1 I have slackware 11.0 with no gnome or kde saving the qt libraries necessary to run the Opera browser since Opera doesn't like the libs with my qt 4.3.4 which is not a standard slack package. The relevant section of /etc/profile is listed below. The user accounts all display the assigned colours upon login as does root. Upon opening an rxvt terminal from the Fluxbox menu, "su -" correctly gives a red prompt But opening an "su" terminal, I am presented with a plain black prompt " bash-3.1#" and "echo $PS1" gives "\s-\v\$" with "echo $UID" giving "0" I did want the magenta prompt for a "su" terminal that did not inherit root's environment, although I do have black one which admittegly is a different colour, but the prompt is not what I want and in /etc/profile I set default to '' PS1="\e[0;35m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m " '' (colour magenta) I need to run FileRunner as su since "su -" can't get a display Does anyone have a Idea how I might change what the bash prompt displays and the colour it uses please? /etc/profile # Set a default shell prompt: PS1="\e[0;35m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m " # COLOR DEFAULTS TO MAGENTA if [ "$SHELL" = "/bin/pdksh" ]; then PS1='! $ ' elif [ "$SHELL" = "/bin/ksh" ]; then PS1='! ${PWD/#$HOME/~}$ ' elif [ "$SHELL" = "/bin/zsh" ]; then PS1='%n@%m:%~%# ' elif [ "$SHELL" = "/bin/ash" ]; then PS1='$ ' fi if ( [ $UID -eq 0 ] ); then PS1="\e[0;31m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m " # COLOR RED fi if ( [ $UID -eq 1000 ] ); then PS1="\e[0;34m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m " # USER inconnu COLOR BLUE fi if ( [ $UID -eq 1001 ] ); then PS1="\e[0;36m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m " # USER listserv COLOR CYAN fi if ( [ $UID -eq 1002 ] ); then PS1="\e[0;32m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m " # USER tanya COLOR GREEN fi -- SlackRat - "It's not who Votes that Counts; It's Who Counts the Votes" Right Hillary?? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 12:48:07 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 07:48:07 -0500 Subject: My grumbles with Rogers... In-Reply-To: <565506.79341.qm-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <565506.79341.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080305124807.GA19482@watson-wilson.ca> I have a friend who did a co-op term at Roger's tech support. One day we had lunch and I sat in horrified fascination as he told me some of the dreadful things that go on in that department. Another friend of mine is very proud of his high bandwidth Roger's connection. I tell him to wait until he does have a problem. At that time he's likely screwed. Television is the bread and butter of Rogers yet, one cannot go a week without seeing some odd problems with that service. -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 13:02:23 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:02:23 -0500 Subject: My grumbles with Rogers... In-Reply-To: <20080305124807.GA19482-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <565506.79341.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080305124807.GA19482@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <47CE99DF.4080708@rogers.com> Neil Watson wrote: > I have a friend who did a co-op term at Roger's tech support. One day > we had lunch and I sat in horrified fascination as he told me some of > the dreadful things that go on in that department. Another friend of > mine is very proud of his high bandwidth Roger's connection. I tell him > to wait until he does have a problem. At that time he's likely screwed. > > Television is the bread and butter of Rogers yet, one cannot go a week > without seeing some odd problems with that service. > I suspect many of the problems depend on where you're located. If you're in an older area, then there may be problems with the cable plant. I've been on Rogers for years and it's worked fine for me. On the other hand, we use Sympatico at work and their are frequent problems with it (two brief failures yesterday alone). And forget about "service" from their help line. I occasionally install equipment that connects to an ADSL line, as part of my work. When you call the help line, they won't help, unless you click on the Start button etc. Well, this equipment doesn't have a start button and they refuse to escalate to someone who might know what they're doing. Even some of the Bell techs I've talked to, don't like having to deal with Sympatico. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 14:37:21 2008 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:37:21 -0500 Subject: syslog [notice] filtering Message-ID: <47CEB021.8030202@totaltravelmarketing.com> Hi list, I am having a problem with my monitoring system, every night there is a file operations on this server and the syslog captures the following: (UPLOAD)[18992]: (someID-EIU6RzFSdli7891L6fK3Xg at public.gmane.org) [NOTICE] /home/ftp/Agencies/THNW//guly.0803050254.ag uploaded (5181630 bytes, 10812.80KB/sec) I need to filter out this kind of warnings as my monitoring system triggers red alarms due tothe [NOTICE] warning. I have tried redirecting the ftp.* to another file, but didn't work: # Log anything (except mail) of level info or higher. # Don't log private authentication messages! ftp.* -/var/log/ftpinfo *.info;mail.none;news.none;authpriv.none;ftp.none -/var/log/messages I am wondering how to use the proper filtering. Thanks in advance for any advise Jose -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 15:26:02 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:26:02 -0500 Subject: Bash Question In-Reply-To: <87bq5t5pbo.fsf-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA@public.gmane.org> References: <87bq5t5pbo.fsf@azurservers.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280803050726t42005a56q87902c8d10c2e4d7@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Slackrat wrote: > I have a problem with the prompt colours in Bash 3.1 > > I have slackware 11.0 with no gnome or kde saving the qt libraries > necessary to run the Opera browser since Opera doesn't like the > libs with my qt 4.3.4 which is not a standard slack package. > > The relevant section of /etc/profile is listed below. > > The user accounts all display the assigned colours upon login as > does root. > > Upon opening an rxvt terminal from the Fluxbox menu, "su -" correctly > gives a red prompt > > But opening an "su" terminal, I am presented with a plain black prompt > " bash-3.1#" and "echo $PS1" gives "\s-\v\$" with "echo $UID" giving > "0" > > I did want the magenta prompt for a "su" terminal that did not inherit > root's environment, although I do have black one which admittegly is a > different colour, but the prompt is not what I want and in > /etc/profile I set default to '' PS1="\e[0;35m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m " '' > (colour magenta) > > I need to run FileRunner as su since "su -" can't get a display > > Does anyone have a Idea how I might change what the bash prompt > displays and the colour it uses please? As the author of the "Bash Prompt HOWTO" I'm probably supposed to know stuff like this ... Unfortunately, which terms source which Bash startup files under which circumstances is something I haven't really dug in to. My guess here is that "su" (without the dash) is sourcing /etc/bash.bashrc (Debian's choice of name - I think this varies by distro, look at "man bash" for a FILES section) rather than /etc/profile (which is sourced for anything that is considered a "login shell" which "su" probably is not). What I'd suggest is doing something similar to what I have: on my system both /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc source a file called /etc/bash.giles which includes my aliases, functions, and prompts. You might try putting the prompt you want to go with your su command in /etc/bash.bashrc if you don't want to create a new layer of obfuscation. :-) But then you have two places to dig about if you want to change the appearance of the prompt and keep it consistent. > /etc/profile > > # Set a default shell prompt: > PS1="\e[0;35m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m " # COLOR DEFAULTS TO MAGENTA > if [ "$SHELL" = "/bin/pdksh" ]; then > PS1='! $ ' > elif [ "$SHELL" = "/bin/ksh" ]; then > PS1='! ${PWD/#$HOME/~}$ ' > elif [ "$SHELL" = "/bin/zsh" ]; then > PS1='%n@%m:%~%# ' > elif [ "$SHELL" = "/bin/ash" ]; then > PS1='$ ' > fi > > if ( [ $UID -eq 0 ] ); then > PS1="\e[0;31m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m " # COLOR RED > fi > > if ( [ $UID -eq 1000 ] ); then > PS1="\e[0;34m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m " # USER inconnu COLOR BLUE > fi > > if ( [ $UID -eq 1001 ] ); then > PS1="\e[0;36m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m " # USER listserv COLOR CYAN > fi > > if ( [ $UID -eq 1002 ] ); then > PS1="\e[0;32m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m " # USER tanya COLOR GREEN > fi -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 04:11:12 2008 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:11:12 -0500 Subject: My grumbles with Rogers... In-Reply-To: <565506.79341.qm-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <565506.79341.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200803042311.12276.dbmacg@look.ca> Squirrels or rats will do *really* interesting things to an ethernet LAN. I remember being able to see only every second workstation in a LAN of twelve machines. Operation was very slow at that. Examining the wire physically located the damage. Dunc On March 4, 2008 07:24:02 pm Colin McGregor wrote: > This is the letter I dropped off at Rogers head office > this morning... Yes, I am annoyed with them... > > This afternoon a Rogers Technician found that > squirrels had attacked the cable where it left the > left the utility pole, and the cable from house to > utility pole was replaced... Who knows if that will > actually fix the problem... I do know it has come time > to move on from Rogers... > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Duncan MacGregor --- Toronto --- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 17:01:46 2008 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:01:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Bash Question In-Reply-To: <87bq5t5pbo.fsf-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA@public.gmane.org> References: <87bq5t5pbo.fsf@azurservers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Mar 2008, Slackrat wrote: > I have a problem with the prompt colours in Bash 3.1 > > I have slackware 11.0 with no gnome or kde saving the qt libraries > necessary to run the Opera browser since Opera doesn't like the > libs with my qt 4.3.4 which is not a standard slack package. > > The relevant section of /etc/profile is listed below. > > The user accounts all display the assigned colours upon login as > does root. > > Upon opening an rxvt terminal from the Fluxbox menu, "su -" correctly > gives a red prompt > > But opening an "su" terminal, I am presented with a plain black prompt > " bash-3.1#" and "echo $PS1" gives "\s-\v\$" with "echo $UID" giving > "0" Without the hyphen, su does not source any files, it just changes the effective UID. > I did want the magenta prompt for a "su" terminal that did not inherit > root's environment, although I do have black one which admittegly is a > different colour, but the prompt is not what I want and in > /etc/profile I set default to '' PS1="\e[0;35m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m " '' > (colour magenta) You have to set it manually. > I need to run FileRunner as su since "su -" can't get a display Use the command "xhost localhost" before doing "su -". > Does anyone have a Idea how I might change what the bash prompt > displays and the colour it uses please? > > /etc/profile > > # Set a default shell prompt: > PS1="\e[0;35m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m " # COLOR DEFAULTS TO MAGENTA To preserve spacing on the command line, surround the non-printing characters with "\[" and "\]": PS1="\[\e[0;35m\][\u@\h \W]\$ \[\e[m\] " > if [ "$SHELL" = "/bin/pdksh" ]; then > PS1='! $ ' > elif [ "$SHELL" = "/bin/ksh" ]; then > PS1='! ${PWD/#$HOME/~}$ ' > elif [ "$SHELL" = "/bin/zsh" ]; then > PS1='%n@%m:%~%# ' > elif [ "$SHELL" = "/bin/ash" ]; then > PS1='$ ' > fi > > if ( [ $UID -eq 0 ] ); then > PS1="\e[0;31m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m " # COLOR RED > fi > > if ( [ $UID -eq 1000 ] ); then > PS1="\e[0;34m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m " # USER inconnu COLOR BLUE > fi > > if ( [ $UID -eq 1001 ] ); then > PS1="\e[0;36m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m " # USER listserv COLOR CYAN > fi > > if ( [ $UID -eq 1002 ] ); then > PS1="\e[0;32m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m " # USER tanya COLOR GREEN > fi > > > -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 20:21:09 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:21:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: My grumbles with Rogers... In-Reply-To: <47CDF624.2020108-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47CDF624.2020108@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <139450.36406.qm@web88213.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > [snip] [other Rogers problems snipped] > By the way Colin, your case underscores why one > should not rely on the > company from which you get your Internet > connectivity for your email > account(s). Your email address is part of your > on-line identity. It > costs next to nothing to register a domain and get > it hosted. (Contact > me if you need help.) Particularly when you are a > published writer, it > makes sense to have a permanent email address > independent of your ISP. Yes, I've had my own domain for 12 years as of today (mcgregor.org). A few years ago there were some problems with the machine that was hosting my domain, so, I figured easy fix, I'll just use the rogers.com account... talk about a trap... Sigh... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 23:27:30 2008 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:27:30 -0500 Subject: Yet Another iPod Question In-Reply-To: <20080304004948.50d63dde-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3084D.1010900@sympatico.ca> <200802261005.21014.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <47C87ACB.10000@sympatico.ca> <200803021142.57658.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <47CCA8ED.1010101@sympatico.ca> <20080304004948.50d63dde@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <47CF2C62.9040309@sympatico.ca> JoeHill wrote: > Moniz Family wrote: > > [whack] > >> It was success and heartache one right after the other. >> >> Everything worked perfectly as soon as I plugged it in my daughter's >> Ubuntu 7.10. It self-mounted and was recognized by Amarok and gtkpod >> after I set them up. My daughter spent the rest of the evening loading >> songs with Amarok, the one she favours. Then Amarok crashed, >> disappearing from the screen altogether. >> >> All of the songs diasappeared from the ipod. However, they were all >> visible and playable with Amarok and gtkpod. If I added or removed a >> song with one player, the change would show up on the other. But nothing >> in the ipod. The usage reading in the ipod was showing "Other" as being >> used, but not "Audio". I deleted all of the songs and the usage of >> "other" went way down. The songs were there, but not registered as an >> Audio file. >> >> I figure the itunes database must have gotten corrupted. >> > > Not corrutped, it's just that Apple's new database cannot be read by older > versions of libgpod, which as I mentioned above Amarok and gtkpod depend on to > work properly. > > >> She's off to a friend's to reinstall itunes and start all over again. She's >> at UWO, so I can't really help her. I was thinking of backing up the entire >> ipod onto her PC next time I'm there. I mean all of the files, not just the >> songs. Maybe any corrupted files could be brought back with a back-up??? >> >> It's a bit disappointing for her and I know she'll worry every time she >> uses either Amarok or gtkpod from now on. >> > > Continuing to use older versions of libgpod will cause problems, as the > database will be out of sync, ie. itunes can write to it but gtkpod/amarok > can't. > > >> Thanks for all of your help. >> > > This is why I brought up the thing about libgpod above: you need at least > libgpod 0.6.0 for newer ipods to work. Otherwise, they will mount, and you can > load songs on them, and yes you will even see the space on the ipod used up, > but you will not be able to play anything. > > I am sure there are packages for Ubuntu 7.10 that will get this working, though > I'm not sure if they are in the default repositories yet. These are the repos > that worked for my 7.10 install: > > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/rharding/ubuntu gutsy main > deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/rharding/ubuntu gutsy main > > Here are the instructions for building from SVN, but you say your daughter is > away at school, so I guess you would want to go with the packages for Ubuntu. > More recent SVN revisions do have a lot of improvements for both libgpod and > gtkpod, so if there was some way you could do this for her remotely I'd > recommend it (ssh?). > > Whether you load the Ubuntu packages or SVN, make sure you read the > documentation regarding loading the ipod for the first time. Last I checked, > libgpod could still not read the ipod's firewire ID, so you need to have that > added or add it yourself. It's pretty simple, just editing a text file. This is > from my README.sysinfo file that came with libgpod SVN: > > > "There are two ways to set up the iPod to make libgpod able to find its firewire > id. > > The 1st one is mostly automated. First, make sure you have libsgutils installed > before running configure/autogen.sh. If you built libgpod without it, install > it and run configure/make/make install. You should now have an > ipod-read-sysinfo-extended tool available. Run it with the iPod device path > (eg /dev/sda) and the iPod mount point (eg /mnt/ipod) as arguments. This may > require root privileges. ipod-read-sysinfo-extended will read an XML > file from the iPod and write it as > /mnt/ipod/iPod_Control/Device/SysInfoExtended. See > http://ipodlinux.org/Device_Information for more details about the method used. > Having that file is enough for libgpod to figure out the iPod firewire id. > > The 2nd method requires more manual intervention. First, you need to get your > firewire id manually. To do that, run "sudo lsusb -v | grep -i Serial" (without > the "") with your iPod plugged in, this should print a 16 character long string > like 00A1234567891231. For an iPod Touch, this number will be much longer than > 16 characters, the firewire ID is constituted by the first 16 characters. > Once you have that number, create/edit /mnt/ipod/iPod_Control/Device/SysInfo > (if your iPod is mounted at /mnt/ipod). Add to that file the line below: > FirewireGuid: 0xffffffffffffffff > (replace ffffffffffffffff with the string you obtained at the previous step > and don't forget the trailing 0x before the string) > Save that file, and you should be all set. Be careful when using apps which > lets you manually specify which iPod model you own, they may overwrite that > file when you do that. So if after doing that libgpod still seems to write > invalid content to the iPod, double-check the content of that SysInfo file to > make sure the FirewireGuid line you added isn't gone. If that happens, readd it > to the end of the file, and make sure libgpod rewrite the iPod content. > > Once that is done, if you compiled libgpod from source, you can test that > libgpod can find the firewire ID on your iPod by running > libgpod/tests/test-firewire-id /ipod/mount/point" > > > > Building from source (not nearly as difficult as you might think, and a lot of > benefits): > > 0. Install libmp4v2-devel so that gtkpod is build with support for...well, mp4. > > 1. Grab libgpod svn: > > svn co https://gtkpod.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gtkpod/libgpod/trunk libgpod > > *Important* read the README.sysinfo file and follow the instructions. > > ...then build and install the usual way (I used ./configure --prefix=/usr) > > 2. Grab gtkpod svn: > > svn co https://gtkpod.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gtkpod/gtkpod/trunk gtkpod > > ...and build and install the usual way. > > > If you have any trouble, or I've missed something, do not hesitate to ask me, > I've been through this frustration myself :-) Phew, there's a lot here. I'll only be able to do so much until I can get back to London. She and her roomate are behind a router and I haven't set up port forwarding (???) to be able to ssh to her PC. I've never done it before. However, I think I can get her to find libgpod and tell me what version she has. I doubt the newest packages are in the default depositories, but I think I can get her to add the depositories you listed above to her own list. It certainly would have been nice if I was able to SSH to her PC. Thanks again. This is good information to have. John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 23:31:05 2008 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Moniz Family) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:31:05 -0500 Subject: Yet Another iPod Question In-Reply-To: <200803040837.07356.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3084D.1010900@sympatico.ca> <200803021142.57658.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <47CCA8ED.1010101@sympatico.ca> <200803040837.07356.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <47CF2D39.3000401@sympatico.ca> Jason Shein wrote: > On Monday 03 March 2008 08:42:05 pm Moniz Family wrote: > >> All of the songs diasappeared from the ipod. However, they were all >> visible and playable with Amarok and gtkpod. If I added or removed a >> song with one player, the change would show up on the other. But nothing >> in the ipod. The usage reading in the ipod was showing "Other" as being >> used, but not "Audio". I deleted all of the songs and the usage of >> "other" went way down. The songs were there, but not registered as an >> Audio file. >> >> I figure the itunes database must have gotten corrupted. >> > > That is correct. This is the issue I found when working with the new iPods. > The color of the ipod determines some type of encoding for the database, > which is why the proper color must be chosen in order to work. When I use my > daughters 8gb iPod nano ( green ) with gtkpod, and choose the only 8gb option > available ( silver ) it corrupts the database every time, and needs to be > wiped by iTunes. If my daughter had followed my instructions (your instructions) and picked up the silver one, I guess I would not be having this problem. But to be fair, she was fooled by the salesman in the store. John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 6 05:44:27 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:44:27 -0500 Subject: Yet Another iPod Question In-Reply-To: <47CF2C62.9040309-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3084D.1010900@sympatico.ca> <200802261005.21014.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <47C87ACB.10000@sympatico.ca> <200803021142.57658.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <47CCA8ED.1010101@sympatico.ca> <20080304004948.50d63dde@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47CF2C62.9040309@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20080306004427.544f7a95@node1.freeyourmachine.org> John Moniz wrote: > JoeHill wrote: > > Moniz Family wrote: > > > > [whack] > > > >> It was success and heartache one right after the other. > >> > >> Everything worked perfectly as soon as I plugged it in my daughter's > >> Ubuntu 7.10. It self-mounted and was recognized by Amarok and gtkpod > >> after I set them up. My daughter spent the rest of the evening loading > >> songs with Amarok, the one she favours. Then Amarok crashed, > >> disappearing from the screen altogether. > >> > >> All of the songs diasappeared from the ipod. However, they were all > >> visible and playable with Amarok and gtkpod. If I added or removed a > >> song with one player, the change would show up on the other. But nothing > >> in the ipod. The usage reading in the ipod was showing "Other" as being > >> used, but not "Audio". I deleted all of the songs and the usage of > >> "other" went way down. The songs were there, but not registered as an > >> Audio file. > >> > >> I figure the itunes database must have gotten corrupted. > >> > > > > Not corrutped, it's just that Apple's new database cannot be read by older > > versions of libgpod, which as I mentioned above Amarok and gtkpod depend on > > to work properly. > > > > > >> She's off to a friend's to reinstall itunes and start all over again. She's > >> at UWO, so I can't really help her. I was thinking of backing up the entire > >> ipod onto her PC next time I'm there. I mean all of the files, not just > >> the songs. Maybe any corrupted files could be brought back with a > >> back-up??? > >> > >> It's a bit disappointing for her and I know she'll worry every time she > >> uses either Amarok or gtkpod from now on. > >> > > > > Continuing to use older versions of libgpod will cause problems, as the > > database will be out of sync, ie. itunes can write to it but gtkpod/amarok > > can't. > > > > > >> Thanks for all of your help. > >> > > > > This is why I brought up the thing about libgpod above: you need at least > > libgpod 0.6.0 for newer ipods to work. Otherwise, they will mount, and you > > can load songs on them, and yes you will even see the space on the ipod > > used up, but you will not be able to play anything. > > > > I am sure there are packages for Ubuntu 7.10 that will get this working, > > though I'm not sure if they are in the default repositories yet. These are > > the repos that worked for my 7.10 install: > > > > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/rharding/ubuntu gutsy main > > deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/rharding/ubuntu gutsy main > > > > Here are the instructions for building from SVN, but you say your daughter > > is away at school, so I guess you would want to go with the packages for > > Ubuntu. More recent SVN revisions do have a lot of improvements for both > > libgpod and gtkpod, so if there was some way you could do this for her > > remotely I'd recommend it (ssh?). > > > > Whether you load the Ubuntu packages or SVN, make sure you read the > > documentation regarding loading the ipod for the first time. Last I checked, > > libgpod could still not read the ipod's firewire ID, so you need to have > > that added or add it yourself. It's pretty simple, just editing a text > > file. This is from my README.sysinfo file that came with libgpod SVN: > > > > > > "There are two ways to set up the iPod to make libgpod able to find its > > firewire id. > > > > The 1st one is mostly automated. First, make sure you have libsgutils > > installed before running configure/autogen.sh. If you built libgpod without > > it, install it and run configure/make/make install. You should now have an > > ipod-read-sysinfo-extended tool available. Run it with the iPod device path > > (eg /dev/sda) and the iPod mount point (eg /mnt/ipod) as arguments. This may > > require root privileges. ipod-read-sysinfo-extended will read an XML > > file from the iPod and write it as > > /mnt/ipod/iPod_Control/Device/SysInfoExtended. See > > http://ipodlinux.org/Device_Information for more details about the method > > used. Having that file is enough for libgpod to figure out the iPod > > firewire id. > > > > The 2nd method requires more manual intervention. First, you need to get > > your firewire id manually. To do that, run "sudo lsusb -v | grep -i > > Serial" (without the "") with your iPod plugged in, this should print a 16 > > character long string like 00A1234567891231. For an iPod Touch, this number > > will be much longer than 16 characters, the firewire ID is constituted by > > the first 16 characters. Once you have that number, > > create/edit /mnt/ipod/iPod_Control/Device/SysInfo (if your iPod is mounted > > at /mnt/ipod). Add to that file the line below: FirewireGuid: > > 0xffffffffffffffff (replace ffffffffffffffff with the string you obtained > > at the previous step and don't forget the trailing 0x before the string) > > Save that file, and you should be all set. Be careful when using apps which > > lets you manually specify which iPod model you own, they may overwrite that > > file when you do that. So if after doing that libgpod still seems to write > > invalid content to the iPod, double-check the content of that SysInfo file > > to make sure the FirewireGuid line you added isn't gone. If that happens, > > readd it to the end of the file, and make sure libgpod rewrite the iPod > > content. > > > > Once that is done, if you compiled libgpod from source, you can test that > > libgpod can find the firewire ID on your iPod by running > > libgpod/tests/test-firewire-id /ipod/mount/point" > > > > > > > > Building from source (not nearly as difficult as you might think, and a lot > > of benefits): > > > > 0. Install libmp4v2-devel so that gtkpod is build with support for...well, > > mp4. > > > > 1. Grab libgpod svn: > > > > svn co https://gtkpod.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gtkpod/libgpod/trunk > > libgpod > > > > *Important* read the README.sysinfo file and follow the instructions. > > > > ...then build and install the usual way (I used ./configure --prefix=/usr) > > > > 2. Grab gtkpod svn: > > > > svn co https://gtkpod.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gtkpod/gtkpod/trunk gtkpod > > > > ...and build and install the usual way. > > > > > > If you have any trouble, or I've missed something, do not hesitate to ask > > me, I've been through this frustration myself :-) > Phew, there's a lot here. This was mostly copied and pasted from the posts between Chris Aitken and I a while back. He had exactly the same problem with a new Nano for his daughter :-) > I'll only be able to do so much until I can get back to London. She and her > roomate are behind a router and I haven't set up port forwarding (???) to be > able to ssh to her PC. I've never done it before. However, I think I can get > her to find libgpod and tell me what version she has. I doubt the newest > packages are in the default depositories, but I think I can get her to add > the depositories you listed above to her own list. > > It certainly would have been nice if I was able to SSH to her PC. It's especially nice on Debian/Ubuntu, as software can be very easily managed from the command line. > Thanks again. This is good information to have. No problem, I went through exactly the same thing back in September with my iPod Classic. So much anticipation, such a sweet device, get it home and...oooooooh. Luckily, the Amarok and libgpod hackers had cracked Apple's new encryption scheme for the itunes database just a day or so before, but for a few hours I was feeling some pretty serious disappointment. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Leela: That aerosal head spray makes your antenna smell nice... Bender: Thank you. Leela: ...but it's doing long-term damage to the planet. Bender: So? It's not like it's the only one we've got. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Day) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 05:12:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: OpenMoko in the Globe In-Reply-To: <20080306034319.4e8774ba-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20080306034319.4e8774ba@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Mar 2008, JoeHill wrote: > > http://tinyurl.com/ypojf3 i'm confused by this statement in the article: "The one sticking point about this phone is that it is an intensive user of wireless data (such as e-mail or surfing the Web), and so users might have to think twice about where they are before they start downloading what they want ? be it e-mail or software updates." but how does that differ from any other handheld on which you can surf or read your email? am i misunderstanding something here? that sounds like a pretty feeble "sticking point." rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA ======================================================================== From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 6 16:23:00 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:23:00 -0500 Subject: bios updates without dos? Message-ID: <20080306162300.GA14663@watson-wilson.ca> Has anyone had any success flashing a bios without using a dos disk? I noticed something called flashrom. http://openbios.info/FlashRom -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 6 16:41:54 2008 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:41:54 -0500 Subject: Floola won't run without df Message-ID: Hi, I just got an iPod recently and was thrilled to see the discussion on this list about it, because iTunes is installed only on my wife's machine and I'd like to able to put music onto my iPod from my Linux machine. Unfortunately, when Floola runs, it pops up a dialog that says it needs 'df', and exits. But .. df is present and in the path (/bin/df). I've googled for a solution but haven't found one. Has anyone else encountered the same problem? I'm running a fairly up to date FC6 installation. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 6 16:53:56 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:53:56 -0500 Subject: Floola won't run without df In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D021A4.4060903@utoronto.ca> Alex Beamish wrote: > Hi, > > I just got an iPod recently and was thrilled to see the discussion on this > list about it, because iTunes is installed only on my wife's machine and I'd > like to able to put music onto my iPod from my Linux machine. > > Unfortunately, when Floola runs, it pops up a dialog that says it needs > 'df', and exits. But .. df is present and in the path (/bin/df). I've > googled for a solution but haven't found one. Has anyone else encountered > the same problem? I'm running a fairly up to date FC6 installation. > As in October 2006 up to date? Another few months and it will be like Fedora Core 6 never happened (18 months of updates for each Fedora release IIRC). Might want to look at updating/clean installing Fedora 8, which I think is terrifc (best release yet). Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 6 17:40:06 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:40:06 -0500 Subject: bios updates without dos? In-Reply-To: <20080306162300.GA14663-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080306162300.GA14663@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20080306174006.GM1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 11:23:00AM -0500, Neil Watson wrote: > Has anyone had any success flashing a bios without using a dos disk? I > noticed something called flashrom. > http://openbios.info/FlashRom Well most new Asus systems I have managed to flash by hitting alt+f2 at the bios, or picking 'start ezflash' from within the bios, and then it would go and find a file on a floppy, cdrom, usbkey, or whatever with a specific filename and flash itself. Works quite well. Flashing from within linux I have only ever heard of being done on some specific Dell machines for which there is apparently such a driver. One of the only things that seems to work well on some Dell machines under linux that I have ever heard of. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 6 20:29:06 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 20:29:06 +0000 Subject: IEEE course on USB programming on Linux Message-ID: Saw this; it's pretty pricey, and certainly of specialized purpose, so I doubt it's for everyone... http://toronto.ieee.ca/education/usb0408/ But if you're keen on learning about programming for USB devices, and paying for training does not daunt, then it's worth looking at... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 6 20:38:53 2008 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:38:53 -0500 Subject: IEEE course on USB programming on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ac602420803061238x252a210l87b56a5d9b067681@mail.gmail.com> Hilarious that a course about USB programming under Linux requires a laptop with Windows XP SP2 installed. They plan on running Linux inside VMWare Player inside Windows. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 6 20:44:52 2008 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:44:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: IEEE course on USB programming on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Mar 2008, Christopher Browne wrote: > Saw this; it's pretty pricey, and certainly of specialized purpose, so > I doubt it's for everyone... > http://toronto.ieee.ca/education/usb0408/ > > But if you're keen on learning about programming for USB devices, and > paying for training does not daunt, then it's worth looking at... normally, i wouldn't consider this kind of self-promotion but, since the topic is technical training, i can't resist the urge. if people are interested in basic to moderately technical linux training (including the basics of linux development and an introduction to kernel configuration and kernel programming, module management, etc, that sort of thing), by all means, drop me a note off-line. linux-related instruction is what i've done for the last 15 years, including starting out as an authorized SCO instructor, but please don't hold that against me, i was young and foolish. mostly foolish. :-) currently, i'm doing business here in K-W, but hey, toronto is just down the road. and i come with my own classroom full of 64-bit AMD CPU laptops, so there's none of this "bring your own laptop" stuff -- everybody gets the same system so there are no surprises. anyway, i'm sure i've already violated about 17 rules of engagement for this mailing list and i apologize profusely for that but, when the subject is the availability and cost of technical training, it's hard to sit quietly on my hands. if you want to chat more, i'm not hard to find. ciao. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 00:08:39 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 00:08:39 +0000 Subject: IEEE course on USB programming on Linux In-Reply-To: <7ac602420803061238x252a210l87b56a5d9b067681-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7ac602420803061238x252a210l87b56a5d9b067681@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Ian Petersen wrote: > Hilarious that a course about USB programming under Linux requires a > laptop with Windows XP SP2 installed. They plan on running Linux > inside VMWare Player inside Windows. I hadn't looked that closely! :-) I can see value in running Linux atop a VMWare instance for this, albeit I'd much rather run VMWare atop Linux ;-). -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 6 22:13:51 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:13:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: IEEE course on USB programming on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2471.72.141.149.78.1204841631.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Saw this; it's pretty pricey, and certainly of specialized purpose, so > I doubt it's for everyone... > http://toronto.ieee.ca/education/usb0408/ > > But if you're keen on learning about programming for USB devices, and > paying for training does not daunt, then it's worth looking at... > -- If you are designing some remote hardware device from the ground up, then an alternative to 'native USB' is the 'Virtual Com Port' approach. You use a particular IC in the remote hardware (http://www.ftdichip.com/) to connect to USB at that end. This chip produces translates USB-speak to serial-port signals which can then talk to a microprocessor serial port. At the host end you access the device via a virtual com port - something like /dev/ttyUSB0 under Linux. This approach works under Linux, Windows and Mac. The drivers are so common that they are now in the Linux kernel. Then you can program the remote hardware over what appears to be a very fast serial port. Advantages: - Simple, no requirement to learn anything about USB (which is dauntingly complex) - Can use legacy software that accesses the serial port - USB provides power (5V at 500mA max) to the device - *Much* faster than serial port (~200kbaud) Disadvantage: - requires the circuit board area for an extra IC - cost of the IC may be an issue in rock-bottom commodity product This is the approach we use with our DSO-101 oscilloscope and WGM-101 waveform generator, with Tcl/Tk host software. Disclaimer: I have no connection to FTDI other than as a satisfied customer. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 02:12:33 2008 From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:12:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: capturing CBC Radio from an internet stream In-Reply-To: <20080303043203.M94070-Ja3L+HSX0kI@public.gmane.org> References: <20080302023745.P94070@vex.net> <20080303043203.M94070@vex.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Eric Battersby wrote: >> You mean capture the radio all the time? That seems a bit rude: >> wasting CBC's bandwidth for no good reason. It would waste disk space >> too unless I threw it away regularly (which proves that the bandwidth >> was wasted). > > That is a good point, but how wasteful is it really? I mean large > corporations and their servers must expect lots of "hits" to their live > feed, with many people continuously listening to their station. My day job is with the CBC, so I find this whole thread pretty amusing. Don't worry, I'm sure that all your "capturing" is a drop in the bucket compared to the number of listeners we get. We have people who are tuned into the Ogg streams for something like 100 days. Of course, if you and 1000 of your friends start doing it, it might be a problem :-) - Julian [ Julian C. Dunn * "You can throw confetti, ] [ WWW: www.aquezada.com/staff/julian * but you're still going ] [ PGP: 91B3 7A9D 683C 7C16 715F * through the motions, baby" ] [ 442C 6065 D533 FDC2 05B9 * - Aimee Mann ] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 02:16:58 2008 From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:16:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Poll; Tape drives In-Reply-To: <20080228134951.GT1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47C5C002.1010100@alteeve.com> <1204171725.4233.2294.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> <20080228134951.GT1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Feb 2008, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> I still use tapes. My home backup system is a DLT7000 drive, whose tapes >> I take off-site (to the office). That said, I do realize that for most >> home users, tape is exorbitantly expensive. I got this system >> second-hand and if I had to buy all the tapes again at $40 apiece (new) >> the media would cost me $600 alone -- enough to buy 10 hard disks. >> >> Tape is still good for enterprise use though and I don't see it going >> away there. > > If you look at what companies like quantum are doing, it seems they are > all getting into harddisk based backup systems. Tape simply costs too > much and isn't reliable enough to justify anymore. I have to challenge your assertion that it "isn't reliable enough to justify". Tape will last you decades if it's properly stored. Plus, unlike keeping a pile of disks powered on, there are no operational costs in terms of power, cooling, etc. If you have terabytes (or even petabytes) of data, it is not economical to back up to disks especially if that data is infrequently accessed. It's true that virtual tape library technology is becoming very attractive and many companies are implementing it, but ultimately, that data does (and ought to) get written to tape. - Julian [ Julian C. Dunn * "You can throw confetti, ] [ WWW: www.aquezada.com/staff/julian * but you're still going ] [ PGP: 91B3 7A9D 683C 7C16 715F * through the motions, baby" ] [ 442C 6065 D533 FDC2 05B9 * - Aimee Mann ] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 02:21:07 2008 From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:21:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Dovecot and IMAPS In-Reply-To: <20080227163736.GA16507-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20080227163736.GA16507@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Feb 2008, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > The problem is, when I point dovecot at the key and the crt file > (containing the block of text) I get an error in the dovecot log: > > dovecot: 2008-02-27 10:38:38 Error: imap-login: Can't load private key > file /etc/ssl/private/$mydomain.key: error:0B080074:x509 > certificate routines:X509_check_private_key:key values mismatch > > I've done some poking around, and sometimes this is caused by trailing > spaces in the file, but that hasn't happened here. Something I notice > is that the default, unsigned key pair has the extension .pem, rather > than .crt or .key. Unfortunately, I'm out of my depth on this one, and > help would be appreciated. Thanks. Are both files in fact in PEM format? - Julian [ Julian C. Dunn * "You can throw confetti, ] [ WWW: www.aquezada.com/staff/julian * but you're still going ] [ PGP: 91B3 7A9D 683C 7C16 715F * through the motions, baby" ] [ 442C 6065 D533 FDC2 05B9 * - Aimee Mann ] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 03:23:42 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 22:23:42 -0500 Subject: Dovecot and IMAPS In-Reply-To: References: <20080227163736.GA16507@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20080307032342.GB13804@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 09:21:07PM -0500, Julian C. Dunn wrote: > On Wed, 27 Feb 2008, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > >> The problem is, when I point dovecot at the key and the crt file >> (containing the block of text) I get an error in the dovecot log: >> >> dovecot: 2008-02-27 10:38:38 Error: imap-login: Can't load private key >> file /etc/ssl/private/$mydomain.key: error:0B080074:x509 >> certificate routines:X509_check_private_key:key values mismatch >> >> I've done some poking around, and sometimes this is caused by trailing >> spaces in the file, but that hasn't happened here. Something I notice >> is that the default, unsigned key pair has the extension .pem, rather >> than .crt or .key. Unfortunately, I'm out of my depth on this one, and >> help would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Are both files in fact in PEM format? No, but dovecot converts to PEM when using SSL certs. The problem was that the crt that was returned to me, signed by the CA, was screwed up in some way, because I have never gotten it to work. Conveniently, GoDaddy, which has a pretty poor reputation, is selling cert signing for $15/year, which was cheap enough to try again. That cert works fine, so my problem has been worked around. Thanks for taking a look at it though. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From linuxdarkstar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 05:58:40 2008 From: linuxdarkstar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kamran) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:58:40 -0500 Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas Message-ID: <47D0D990.4020205@gmail.com> I'm kind of bored these days. Anyone know of used\junk computer stores that I can kill some time in. A store with parts over 7 years old is what I am looking for. I know of a couple but they usually have run of the mill x86 desktop junk. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linuxdarkstar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 06:04:55 2008 From: linuxdarkstar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kamran) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:04:55 -0500 Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas In-Reply-To: <47D0D990.4020205-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47D0D990.4020205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D0DB07.1090901@gmail.com> Kamran wrote: > I'm kind of bored these days. Anyone know of used\junk computer stores > that I can kill some time in. A store with parts over 7 years old is > what I am looking for. I know of a couple but they usually have run of > the mill x86 desktop junk. > Errr nevermind I found just the place. It isn't run by Jawas though. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 07:12:47 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 02:12:47 -0500 Subject: OpenMoko in the Globe In-Reply-To: References: <20080306034319.4e8774ba@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20080307021247.070fbfc1@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Thu, 6 Mar 2008, JoeHill wrote: > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/ypojf3 > > i'm confused by this statement in the article: > > "The one sticking point about this phone is that it is an intensive > user of wireless data (such as e-mail or surfing the Web), and so > users might have to think twice about where they are before they start > downloading what they want ? be it e-mail or software updates." > > but how does that differ from any other handheld on which you can surf > or read your email? am i misunderstanding something here? that > sounds like a pretty feeble "sticking point." I didn't understand that either, now that you mention it. I wonder if anyone else has any idea what that was about :-\ -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "I'm a fraud - a poor, lazy, sexy fraud." -Bender -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 14:07:05 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:07:05 -0500 Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas In-Reply-To: <47D0DB07.1090901-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47D0D990.4020205@gmail.com> <47D0DB07.1090901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0803070607p4bb59487k51f094ae8fb1ff9@mail.gmail.com> In that case, you should share, some of the rest of us like playing with fun odds-and-ends too :-) Alternately, perhaps during a meeting we can also gather with boxes of our various bits-and-pieces. I've accumulated all sorts of fun stuff that might be useful to somebody else (or to me if I had the requisite other "fun stuff"), and I'm sure many others have treasure troves of their own... On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 1:04 AM, Kamran wrote: > Kamran wrote: > > I'm kind of bored these days. Anyone know of used\junk computer stores > > that I can kill some time in. A store with parts over 7 years old is > > what I am looking for. I know of a couple but they usually have run of > > the mill x86 desktop junk. > > > > Errr nevermind I found just the place. It isn't run by Jawas though. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 14:28:38 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:28:38 -0500 Subject: Poll; Tape drives In-Reply-To: References: <47C5C002.1010100@alteeve.com> <1204171725.4233.2294.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> <20080228134951.GT1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080307142838.GN1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 09:16:58PM -0500, Julian C. Dunn wrote: > I have to challenge your assertion that it "isn't reliable enough to > justify". Tape will last you decades if it's properly stored. Plus, unlike > keeping a pile of disks powered on, there are no operational costs in > terms of power, cooling, etc. If you have terabytes (or even petabytes) of > data, it is not economical to back up to disks especially if that data is > infrequently accessed. If you have enough data that is almost never looked at, then the cost of a tape drive can be justified, although I think for most users that isn't likely. Those that can justify it can also afford to spend $100000 on a complete archive management system. I also don't believe some tape formats can be stored and expected to be reliable. DAT/DDS certainly never seemed reliable, only relatively cheap. > It's true that virtual tape library technology is becoming very attractive > and many companies are implementing it, but ultimately, that data does > (and ought to) get written to tape. If there is enough data and some of it really doesn't ever get accessed, then a tape library does make some sense. For example: LTO 800GB tapes seem to run about $125 each. Tape drive appears to be around $4000 although for an extra $500 you can make it a 7 tape changer. If we take the 7 tape changer with 7 tapes we get $5375 for a capacity of 5600GB, although you need a scsi equiped machine to manage it. If you were to take say 500GB SATA drives at $100 each, you would need 12 drives or $1200 to match the capacity of the tape changer. Add to that a machine to put the disks in and manage them along with say a 12 channel 3ware or areca controller for another $1000 (I think that might be overestimating the cost of the controller), and you should still manager to have the total system ready to connect to a network (more flexible than scsi too) for under $3000. The latency on access will be much lower on the disk system, and you could add raid5 or 6 for some reduncancy in case of media failure for only a few hundred dollars extra. Certainly a 7 tape changer is much too small to be economical. I suspect until you hit 100 tapes or so, it simply can't compare. Given the tapes seem to come to $0.16/GB and the SATA disk is at $0.20/GB, it will take a LOT of GB of storage to make up for the cost of the tape drive, tape changer and scsi interface. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 13:08:53 2008 From: matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:08:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas In-Reply-To: <47D0D990.4020205-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47D0D990.4020205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1340.206.248.139.22.1204895333.squirrel@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> The Value Village on Queen East (near Carlaw) had a lot of old computer stuff that, if I had the room, I probably would've bought up. > I'm kind of bored these days. Anyone know of used\junk computer stores > that I can kill some time in. A store with parts over 7 years old is > what I am looking for. I know of a couple but they usually have run of > the mill x86 desktop junk. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 16:27:38 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:27:38 -0500 Subject: Poll; Tape drives In-Reply-To: <20080307142838.GN1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47C5C002.1010100@alteeve.com> <1204171725.4233.2294.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> <20080228134951.GT1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080307142838.GN1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47D16CFA.5000909@alteeve.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 09:16:58PM -0500, Julian C. Dunn wrote: >> I have to challenge your assertion that it "isn't reliable enough to >> justify". Tape will last you decades if it's properly stored. Plus, unlike >> keeping a pile of disks powered on, there are no operational costs in >> terms of power, cooling, etc. If you have terabytes (or even petabytes) of >> data, it is not economical to back up to disks especially if that data is >> infrequently accessed. > > If you have enough data that is almost never looked at, then the cost of > a tape drive can be justified, although I think for most users that > isn't likely. Those that can justify it can also afford to spend > $100000 on a complete archive management system. > > I also don't believe some tape formats can be stored and expected to be > reliable. DAT/DDS certainly never seemed reliable, only relatively > cheap. > >> It's true that virtual tape library technology is becoming very attractive >> and many companies are implementing it, but ultimately, that data does >> (and ought to) get written to tape. > > If there is enough data and some of it really doesn't ever get accessed, > then a tape library does make some sense. > > For example: > LTO 800GB tapes seem to run about $125 each. > Tape drive appears to be around $4000 although for an extra $500 you can > make it a 7 tape changer. > > If we take the 7 tape changer with 7 tapes we get $5375 for a capacity > of 5600GB, although you need a scsi equiped machine to manage it. > > If you were to take say 500GB SATA drives at $100 each, you would need > 12 drives or $1200 to match the capacity of the tape changer. Add to > that a machine to put the disks in and manage them along with say a 12 > channel 3ware or areca controller for another $1000 (I think that might > be overestimating the cost of the controller), and you should still > manager to have the total system ready to connect to a network (more > flexible than scsi too) for under $3000. The latency on access will be > much lower on the disk system, and you could add raid5 or 6 for some > reduncancy in case of media failure for only a few hundred dollars > extra. > > Certainly a 7 tape changer is much too small to be economical. I > suspect until you hit 100 tapes or so, it simply can't compare. Given > the tapes seem to come to $0.16/GB and the SATA disk is at $0.20/GB, it > will take a LOT of GB of storage to make up for the cost of the tape > drive, tape changer and scsi interface. Off-list I was speaking to a friend who works in IT at a big company, and she also voted for tapes, saying that in large scale environments "it's the way to go". It surprises me, in a way. I was expecting to hear grumblings that tape was a necessary evil, but apparently it is still a preferred solution in larger situations. As Len mentioned though, up to a (fairly large capacity) point, Disk still makes more sense. So then, I need to ask; Q. What raw storage capacity required is the "break point" where tape becomes preferable to disk storage? If I can answer that, then I can start to decide if people who need that capacity are realistically in the range of potential users of my modest program. Thanks as always! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 17:11:20 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:11:20 -0500 Subject: Poll; Tape drives In-Reply-To: <47D16CFA.5000909-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47C5C002.1010100@alteeve.com> <1204171725.4233.2294.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> <20080228134951.GT1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080307142838.GN1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47D16CFA.5000909@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <47D17738.4050305@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Q. What raw storage capacity required is the "break point" where tape > becomes preferable to disk storage? Speaking from experience, you don't ever want a tape to reach the break point. It will wind up all over the floor! ;-) jk (who, at one point in his career, maintained & repaired open reel 1/2" tape drives) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 17:39:18 2008 From: taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Tony Abou-Assaleh) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:39:18 -0400 Subject: Boot Problem after Crash Message-ID: <47D17DC6.7050600@acm.org> Hi tlugers, My PSU was toasted. I took the HDD out and installed it on another PC. The file system had problems but after e2fsck it appears stable. No data was lost as far as I can tell, but I couldn't boot into by Ubuntu 7.10 (xubunutu) Linux. I booted using a live CD and went to rescue mode. I updated/upgraded packages using apt-get, executed update-initramfs, and all seemed well. I can even start apache and sshd from this rescue shell. When I try to boot from the HDD I consistently get the same thing: I get the BusyBox initramfs shell and I don't know how to go past that. Nothing is mounted. I have the boot partition on /dev/sda1 and the root partition on raid1 volume. I am using only a single drive from the raid array. Any ideas why I'm getting the initramfs prompt on boot and how to get past that? Cheers, TAA -- Tony Abou-Assaleh Email: taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Web site: http://tony.abou-assaleh.net -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 17:48:36 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:48:36 -0500 Subject: Poll; Tape drives In-Reply-To: <47D16CFA.5000909-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47C5C002.1010100@alteeve.com> <1204171725.4233.2294.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> <20080228134951.GT1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080307142838.GN1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47D16CFA.5000909@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20080307174836.GO1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 11:27:38AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Off-list I was speaking to a friend who works in IT at a big company, > and she also voted for tapes, saying that in large scale environments > "it's the way to go". > > It surprises me, in a way. I was expecting to hear grumblings that tape > was a necessary evil, but apparently it is still a preferred solution in > larger situations. > > As Len mentioned though, up to a (fairly large capacity) point, Disk > still makes more sense. So then, I need to ask; > > Q. What raw storage capacity required is the "break point" where tape > becomes preferable to disk storage? Well tapes do have the one advantage that you can easily remove them and bring them offsite for storage, which is a little harder with disks although usb enclosures work great for small backups in that manner. I would say for off site storage the choices are: external disk for backups less than 2 or 3 TB (at this time). I suppose having to unplug and move a harddisk versus a tape may not be that big a deal so maybe if doesn't make much difference. The real answer to off site backups is to do them over a network link (internet or dedicated) to an archive system at another location, which could be disk or tape based. Tapes are a bit more robust when carried though since they don't have the same fragile electronics and disk heads and such inside. I would still recommend the remote backup method instead, in which case cost/capacity is the real issue. > If I can answer that, then I can start to decide if people who need that > capacity are realistically in the range of potential users of my modest > program. Well the cheapest I found for tapes so far seems to be about $100 for 800GB, which is then 12.5 cents per GB. 500GB disks can be had for $100, or about 20 cents per GB. So if we call that 8 cents per GB advantage for the tapes, but you have to pay for an expensive tape drive, and tape changer with lots of slots, and deal with a much larger latency of access (which for an archive should not be important for the user anyhow), as well as potentially expensive software to manage the tape changer (compared to just storing stuff in a filesystem managed however you want). Apparently you can get a 700 slot tape library for about $85000, and then you can add tape drives to it for about $5000 each (SDLT or LTO or whichever). Assuming access speed is not important and we only put in one drive then we have $90000 for the tape changer. Adding 700 tapes at $100 each (I imagine you can get a bulk discount somewhere) for $70000 in tapes, and we get $160000 for a total size of 700*800GB which is 560000GB capacity, at 28 cents per GB. Building a computer to hold the required number of 500 or 750GB drives (call it 1000 drives) would be quite a task, although multiple smaller machines would still do the job together. I have certainly seen a 5U 24 hotswap SATA bay cases where a 24 channel raid controller would work well. It would of course include a ton of processing power which may or may not be needed, although you would need some system to manage the tape changer too. I found one place that will sell a 5U box with 24 1TB drives in it for $13000 which is 54 cents per GB, but includes lots of ram and cpu power too. Using the google model of lots of generic small machines you could do a simple desktop box for $400 with 8 750GB sata drives giving you 6000GB storage for $1600 or 26 cents per GB. It would mean managing a network of close to 100 small boxes, although you might find a use for that amount of processing power too. It does come out to about the same cost per GB as the tape library though, although it would use quite a bit more electricity to operate. I suspect the point where it makes sense to go to tape is probably when you hit a tape library with 100TB capacity or more as long as the rather slow access to archived information is just fine. Many archives that size do have disk based caches to help speed up access to information when it is requested multiple times in a short timespan. I think you need a library large enough that you need management software designed to manage an archive, which I suspect is not what you are working on. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 17:51:43 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:51:43 -0500 Subject: Boot Problem after Crash In-Reply-To: <47D17DC6.7050600-HInyCGIudOg@public.gmane.org> References: <47D17DC6.7050600@acm.org> Message-ID: <20080307175143.GP1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 01:39:18PM -0400, Tony Abou-Assaleh wrote: > Hi tlugers, > > My PSU was toasted. I took the HDD out and installed it on another PC. > The file system had problems but after e2fsck it appears stable. No data > was lost as far as I can tell, but I couldn't boot into by Ubuntu 7.10 > (xubunutu) Linux. > > I booted using a live CD and went to rescue mode. I updated/upgraded > packages using apt-get, executed update-initramfs, and all seemed well. > I can even start apache and sshd from this rescue shell. > > When I try to boot from the HDD I consistently get the same thing: I get > the BusyBox initramfs shell and I don't know how to go past that. > Nothing is mounted. > > I have the boot partition on /dev/sda1 and the root partition on raid1 > volume. I am using only a single drive from the raid array. > > Any ideas why I'm getting the initramfs prompt on boot and how to get > past that? Perhaps the new machine enumerates the disks differently so it doesn't know where to look for the root. What do you get from 'cat /proc/partitions' in the initramfs shell? How about /proc/mdstat? Perhaps you can find out what root is called and change the boot loader to use root= whatever that is. I do everything in the boot loader and fstab by UUID these days just to avoid this kind of hassle. The other option is that your initramfs only loaded the driver modules needed by the old machine and not the ones for the new one, although most I have seen recently (in debian at least) try to load pretty much everything. Is the new machine perhaps too new or simply not supported by your linux version? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 18:42:26 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:42:26 +0000 Subject: Poll; Tape drives In-Reply-To: <47D16CFA.5000909-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47C5C002.1010100@alteeve.com> <1204171725.4233.2294.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> <20080228134951.GT1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080307142838.GN1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47D16CFA.5000909@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <47D18C92.7010708@telly.org> Madison Kelly wrote: > Off-list I was speaking to a friend who works in IT at a big company, > and she also voted for tapes, saying that in large scale environments > "it's the way to go". > > It surprises me, in a way. I was expecting to hear grumblings that tape > was a necessary evil, but apparently it is still a preferred solution in > larger situations. Being preferred doesn't mean it's the technically best -- or least expensive -- or most reliable choice. Madison, you've been working with Linux for a while now. Therefore, you should already be painfully aware of the immense power of inertia and fear of the unknown, and its effect on IT decision-making ;-). - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 19:09:57 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 14:09:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0803070607p4bb59487k51f094ae8fb1ff9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0803070607p4bb59487k51f094ae8fb1ff9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <756858.54730.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Tyler Aviss wrote: > In that case, you should share, some of the rest of > us like playing > with fun odds-and-ends too :-) > > Alternately, perhaps during a meeting we can also > gather with boxes of > our various bits-and-pieces. I've accumulated all > sorts of fun stuff > that might be useful to somebody else (or to me if I > had the requisite > other "fun stuff"), and I'm sure many others have > treasure troves of > their own... Well, that is what I have been doing at quite a few GTALug meetings. This coming meeting I was planning to bring in the following (and possibly one or two other goodies): - ISA modem card (speed unknown, untested). - Promise ISA LS-120 controller card. - Allied Telesis AIX to 10 Base 2 network adapter - ASUS P3V4X motherboard manual. All of the above are useless to me, but maybe someone who loves old hardware could have fun with. I am looking for a case backplate to support a 15 pin analog joystick. I have a motherboard with a connector on it to support a 15 pin joystick. I have the cable that can run from the motherboard and terminates in a DB-15 style connector. I just don't have an appropriate metal plate to fit that into the back of my PC (well, I have a plate with multiple connector holes, one being a DB-15, I want a plate with JUST a DB-15 hole)... I hope my bits can help someone and I would love one of the noted metal plates. Colin McGregor > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 1:04 AM, Kamran > wrote: > > Kamran wrote: > > > I'm kind of bored these days. Anyone know of > used\junk computer stores > > > that I can kill some time in. A store with > parts over 7 years old is > > > what I am looking for. I know of a couple but > they usually have run of > > > the mill x86 desktop junk. > > > > > > > Errr nevermind I found just the place. It isn't > run by Jawas though. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2 > (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 19:25:38 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:25:38 -0500 Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas In-Reply-To: <756858.54730.qm-7EKNVtTItHqB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <756858.54730.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47D196B2.2040609@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > I am looking for a case backplate to support a 15 pin > analog joystick. I have a motherboard with a connector > on it to support a 15 pin joystick. I have the cable > that can run from the motherboard and terminates in a > DB-15 style connector. I just don't have an > appropriate metal plate to fit that into the back of > my PC (well, I have a plate with multiple connector > holes, one being a DB-15, I want a plate with JUST a > DB-15 hole)... ARRGGHHH!!!! There is no such thing as a "DB-15" connector. You're referring to a "DA-15" connector. The 1st letter refers to the connector shell type. The 2nd letter refers to the shell size and the number is the pin quantity. Look up the data sheets from Cannon or Amp for further info or read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-subminiature http://www.epanorama.net/documents/connector/dconnector.html -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 19:40:45 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 14:40:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas In-Reply-To: <47D196B2.2040609-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47D196B2.2040609@rogers.com> Message-ID: <566008.28979.qm@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- James Knott wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > > I am looking for a case backplate to support a 15 > pin > > analog joystick. I have a motherboard with a > connector > > on it to support a 15 pin joystick. I have the > cable > > that can run from the motherboard and terminates > in a > > DB-15 style connector. I just don't have an > > appropriate metal plate to fit that into the back > of > > my PC (well, I have a plate with multiple > connector > > holes, one being a DB-15, I want a plate with JUST > a > > DB-15 hole)... > > > ARRGGHHH!!!! > > There is no such thing as a "DB-15" connector. > You're referring to a > "DA-15" connector. The 1st letter refers to the > connector shell type. > The 2nd letter refers to the shell size and the > number is the pin > quantity. Look up the data sheets from Cannon or > Amp for further info > or read this: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-subminiature > http://www.epanorama.net/documents/connector/dconnector.html > Fair point, though as is noted in the Wikipedia entry mine is a very common error... Live and learn... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 19:43:24 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:43:24 -0500 Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas In-Reply-To: <47D196B2.2040609-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <756858.54730.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47D196B2.2040609@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47D19ADC.6000507@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > > >> I am looking for a case backplate to support a 15 pin >> analog joystick. I have a motherboard with a connector >> on it to support a 15 pin joystick. I have the cable >> that can run from the motherboard and terminates in a >> DB-15 style connector. I just don't have an >> appropriate metal plate to fit that into the back of >> my PC (well, I have a plate with multiple connector >> holes, one being a DB-15, I want a plate with JUST a >> DB-15 hole)... > > > ARRGGHHH!!!! > > There is no such thing as a "DB-15" connector. You're referring to a > "DA-15" connector. The 1st letter refers to the connector shell type. > The 2nd letter refers to the shell size and the number is the pin > quantity. Look up the data sheets from Cannon or Amp for further info > or read this: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-subminiature > http://www.epanorama.net/documents/connector/dconnector.html > > Here's a link to the manufacturer's specs. Note the various shell sizes, such as DA, DB, DC etc., on pages 4 & 5. http://www.ittcannon.com/uploadedFiles/Product_PDFs/D_sub%20Full%20Line.pdf -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 20:09:03 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:09:03 -0500 Subject: Anyone got a SpeedTouch/decent modem handy? Message-ID: <3a97ef0803071209v72f1559dp1f8392fcd2e99862@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I recently got setup with DSL, and things are more-or-less the usual crap with Bell. My rates are supposed to be (up to) 5mbps down and 800kps up. The Bell installer had mentioned that I was on a direct run from their CO... which immediately gave me some worries about speed. Sure enough, my actuals are about 1.5mbps down and 500kps up. I checked with the ISP, and the distance to the CO is a few km longer than would be proper for high-speed DSL. He mentioned that there's definitely a fair number of errors on the line at the current location, so the usual result is that if I were to call Bell, they're drop my line-rates down even more (but more stable)... so I'd rather not do that. However, one possible ray of hope is that my modem is cheap, and it sucks. Unfortunately it's also what was available when I bought it. If I can get ahold of a decent modem (apparently speedtouch is good, as is 2-wire), it may make a somewhat noticeable different. So if anyone has one of these kicking around - and I'm sure there are likely a bunch of packrats in the group somewhere :-) - then I'd really appreciate if I could test it out and, if it helps, perhaps we can arrange a sale/trade (I'm a packrat myself and I'm sure I've got some toys that may be of interest). Anyone who's interested please let me know. Oh, and for reference I live in the Don Mills/Fairview mall area, though I work downtown. Thanks, TJA p.s. What do you do for internet when you have a monopolistic Telco who sucks!? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 20:34:12 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:34:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: D-Sub Naming (Was: Re: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas) In-Reply-To: <47D196B2.2040609-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <756858.54730.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47D196B2.2040609@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1966.72.141.149.78.1204922052.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > ARRGGHHH!!!! > > There is no such thing as a "DB-15" connector. You're referring to a > "DA-15" connector. The 1st letter refers to the connector shell type. > The 2nd letter refers to the shell size and the number is the pin > quantity. Look up the data sheets from Cannon or Amp for further info > or read this: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-subminiature > http://www.epanorama.net/documents/connector/dconnector.html Well, isn't that interesting! I've been mis-naming those connectors for the last 25 years. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 20:42:58 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:42:58 -0500 Subject: D-Sub Naming (Was: Re: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas) In-Reply-To: <1966.72.141.149.78.1204922052.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <756858.54730.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47D196B2.2040609@rogers.com> <1966.72.141.149.78.1204922052.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <47D1A8D2.4000604@rogers.com> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >> ARRGGHHH!!!! >> >> There is no such thing as a "DB-15" connector. You're referring to a >> "DA-15" connector. The 1st letter refers to the connector shell type. >> The 2nd letter refers to the shell size and the number is the pin >> quantity. Look up the data sheets from Cannon or Amp for further info >> or read this: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-subminiature >> http://www.epanorama.net/documents/connector/dconnector.html > > Well, isn't that interesting! I've been mis-naming those connectors for > the last 25 years. > When I worked in planning, at Unitel, I'd buy thousands of connectors. It helps to order the right part! ;-) Also, my father-in-law was a salesman for ITT Cannon. In another message, I provided a link to a Cannon product info PDF. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 20:56:21 2008 From: taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Tony Abou-Assaleh) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:56:21 -0400 Subject: Boot Problem after Crash In-Reply-To: <20080307175143.GP1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47D17DC6.7050600@acm.org> <20080307175143.GP1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47D1ABF5.8060807@acm.org> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 01:39:18PM -0400, Tony Abou-Assaleh wrote: >> Hi tlugers, >> >> My PSU was toasted. I took the HDD out and installed it on another PC. >> The file system had problems but after e2fsck it appears stable. No data >> was lost as far as I can tell, but I couldn't boot into by Ubuntu 7.10 >> (xubunutu) Linux. >> >> I booted using a live CD and went to rescue mode. I updated/upgraded >> packages using apt-get, executed update-initramfs, and all seemed well. >> I can even start apache and sshd from this rescue shell. >> >> When I try to boot from the HDD I consistently get the same thing: I get >> the BusyBox initramfs shell and I don't know how to go past that. >> Nothing is mounted. >> >> I have the boot partition on /dev/sda1 and the root partition on raid1 >> volume. I am using only a single drive from the raid array. >> >> Any ideas why I'm getting the initramfs prompt on boot and how to get >> past that? > > Perhaps the new machine enumerates the disks differently so it doesn't > know where to look for the root. > > What do you get from 'cat /proc/partitions' in the initramfs shell? -- major minor #blocks name 8 0 xxx sda 8 1 xxx sda1 8 2 xxx sda2 9 0 xxx md0 -- I omitted the block counts. sda1 is the boot partition, and sda2 is the raid container. When I run the same command from the recovery shell, I get 2 additional entries: -- 253 0 xxx dm-0 253 1 xxx dm-1 -- Where dm-0 is the swap partition and dm-1 is the root partition. > How about /proc/mdstat? -- Personalities : [raid1] md0 : active raid1 sda2[0] xxx blocks [2/1] [U_] unused devices: -- > Perhaps you can find out what root is called and change the boot loader > to use root= whatever that is. > > I do everything in the boot loader and fstab by UUID these days just to > avoid this kind of hassle. I changed it to use root=UUID=xxx in the grub menu.lst, same thing. > The other option is that your initramfs only loaded the driver modules > needed by the old machine and not the ones for the new one, although > most I have seen recently (in debian at least) try to load pretty much > everything. Is the new machine perhaps too new or simply not supported > by your linux version? I can boot fine from a live CD, so the machine is linux compatible. I was able to connect to the Internet, start apache and sshd manually, and connect to them from another machine. Also I ran update-initramfs on the new machine, so again that's not likely to be the problem. It looks like the raid volume is recognized during the boot sequence, but the partitions within it are not. Any ideas? Cheers, TAA -- Tony Abou-Assaleh Email: taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Web site: http://tony.abou-assaleh.net -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 21:33:06 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 16:33:06 -0500 Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas In-Reply-To: <756858.54730.qm-7EKNVtTItHqB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0803070607p4bb59487k51f094ae8fb1ff9@mail.gmail.com> <756858.54730.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080307213306.GQ1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 02:09:57PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > Well, that is what I have been doing at quite a few > GTALug meetings. This coming meeting I was planning to > bring in the following (and possibly one or two other > goodies): > > - ISA modem card (speed unknown, untested). > - Promise ISA LS-120 controller card. > - Allied Telesis AIX to 10 Base 2 network adapter AUI to 10base2? > - ASUS P3V4X motherboard manual. > > All of the above are useless to me, but maybe someone > who loves old hardware could have fun with. > > I am looking for a case backplate to support a 15 pin > analog joystick. I have a motherboard with a connector > on it to support a 15 pin joystick. I have the cable > that can run from the motherboard and terminates in a > DB-15 style connector. I just don't have an > appropriate metal plate to fit that into the back of > my PC (well, I have a plate with multiple connector > holes, one being a DB-15, I want a plate with JUST a > DB-15 hole)... I think most motherboards that used one of those also tended to put a USB or Serial connector on the same bracket to be efficient. Someone with a dremmel, steady hands and patience could probably turn a solid bracket into what you want. > I hope my bits can help someone and I would love one > of the noted metal plates. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 21:40:16 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 16:40:16 -0500 Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas In-Reply-To: <47D196B2.2040609-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <756858.54730.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47D196B2.2040609@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080307214016.GR1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 02:25:38PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > ARRGGHHH!!!! > > There is no such thing as a "DB-15" connector. You're referring to a > "DA-15" connector. The 1st letter refers to the connector shell type. > The 2nd letter refers to the shell size and the number is the pin > quantity. Look up the data sheets from Cannon or Amp for further info > or read this: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-subminiature > http://www.epanorama.net/documents/connector/dconnector.html These guys will sell you one: http://www.winfordeng.com/products/con15.php Now perhaps they (and everyone else) is wrong in calling it that, but everyone just about call them DB25, DB15 and DB9, and just like the english language, eventually common usage overrules original specifications. How about the DB23? I think it was physically slightly shorter than the DB25, so I guess it doesn't even fit any of the standard shell sizes. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 21:46:00 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 16:46:00 -0500 Subject: Boot Problem after Crash In-Reply-To: <47D1ABF5.8060807-HInyCGIudOg@public.gmane.org> References: <47D17DC6.7050600@acm.org> <20080307175143.GP1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47D1ABF5.8060807@acm.org> Message-ID: <20080307214600.GS1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 04:56:21PM -0400, Tony Abou-Assaleh wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 01:39:18PM -0400, Tony Abou-Assaleh wrote: > >>Hi tlugers, > >> > >>My PSU was toasted. I took the HDD out and installed it on another PC. > >>The file system had problems but after e2fsck it appears stable. No data > >>was lost as far as I can tell, but I couldn't boot into by Ubuntu 7.10 > >>(xubunutu) Linux. > >> > >>I booted using a live CD and went to rescue mode. I updated/upgraded > >>packages using apt-get, executed update-initramfs, and all seemed well. > >>I can even start apache and sshd from this rescue shell. > >> > >>When I try to boot from the HDD I consistently get the same thing: I get > >>the BusyBox initramfs shell and I don't know how to go past that. > >>Nothing is mounted. > >> > >>I have the boot partition on /dev/sda1 and the root partition on raid1 > >>volume. I am using only a single drive from the raid array. > >> > >>Any ideas why I'm getting the initramfs prompt on boot and how to get > >>past that? > > > >Perhaps the new machine enumerates the disks differently so it doesn't > >know where to look for the root. > > > >What do you get from 'cat /proc/partitions' in the initramfs shell? > > -- > major minor #blocks name > 8 0 xxx sda > 8 1 xxx sda1 > 8 2 xxx sda2 > 9 0 xxx md0 > -- > > I omitted the block counts. sda1 is the boot partition, and sda2 is the > raid container. When I run the same command from the recovery shell, I > get 2 additional entries: > > -- > 253 0 xxx dm-0 > 253 1 xxx dm-1 > -- > > Where dm-0 is the swap partition and dm-1 is the root partition. > > >How about /proc/mdstat? > > -- > Personalities : [raid1] > md0 : active raid1 sda2[0] > xxx blocks [2/1] [U_] So one disk in the raid failed to appear? > unused devices: > -- > > >Perhaps you can find out what root is called and change the boot loader > >to use root= whatever that is. > > > >I do everything in the boot loader and fstab by UUID these days just to > >avoid this kind of hassle. > > I changed it to use root=UUID=xxx in the grub menu.lst, same thing. Can you mount the root partitions from initramfs and then pivotroot or whatever they call it now to it and continue the boot? > >The other option is that your initramfs only loaded the driver modules > >needed by the old machine and not the ones for the new one, although > >most I have seen recently (in debian at least) try to load pretty much > >everything. Is the new machine perhaps too new or simply not supported > >by your linux version? > > I can boot fine from a live CD, so the machine is linux compatible. I > was able to connect to the Internet, start apache and sshd manually, and > connect to them from another machine. > > Also I ran update-initramfs on the new machine, so again that's not > likely to be the problem. > > It looks like the raid volume is recognized during the boot sequence, > but the partitions within it are not. Any ideas? I have never used partitions on raid. I always run LVM on raid. I know how that works. LVM is much more flexible than partitions, so why use partitions on raid? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 21:51:35 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:51:35 -0500 Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas In-Reply-To: <20080307214016.GR1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <756858.54730.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47D196B2.2040609@rogers.com> <20080307214016.GR1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47D1B8E7.9020102@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 02:25:38PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >> ARRGGHHH!!!! >> >> There is no such thing as a "DB-15" connector. You're referring to a >> "DA-15" connector. The 1st letter refers to the connector shell type. >> The 2nd letter refers to the shell size and the number is the pin >> quantity. Look up the data sheets from Cannon or Amp for further info >> or read this: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-subminiature >> http://www.epanorama.net/documents/connector/dconnector.html >> > > These guys will sell you one: > > http://www.winfordeng.com/products/con15.php > > Now perhaps they (and everyone else) is wrong in calling it that, but > everyone just about call them DB25, DB15 and DB9, and just like the > english language, eventually common usage overrules original > specifications. > There are lots of places that sell those. That doesn't make it right. Try calling Cannon and asking for one. > How about the DB23? I think it was physically slightly shorter than the > DB25, so I guess it doesn't even fit any of the standard shell sizes. > > Is that a custom connector for someone? I've never seen one that I recall. Given that Cannon specified the shell sizes, I don't see how it could be shorter and still a valid "DB" shell. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 21:56:44 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 16:56:44 -0500 Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas In-Reply-To: <47D1B8E7.9020102-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <756858.54730.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47D196B2.2040609@rogers.com> <20080307214016.GR1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47D1B8E7.9020102@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080307215643.GT1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 04:51:35PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Is that a custom connector for someone? I've never seen one that I > recall. Given that Cannon specified the shell sizes, I don't see how it > could be shorter and still a valid "DB" shell. Amiga video connector. I think it was custom. The same connector (but other gender) was used for the floppy drive. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 22:18:17 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 17:18:17 -0500 Subject: Boot Problem after Crash In-Reply-To: <47D17DC6.7050600-HInyCGIudOg@public.gmane.org> References: <47D17DC6.7050600@acm.org> Message-ID: <3a97ef0803071418t59ca43e1j14007dbce839021e@mail.gmail.com> GRUB or LILO? If you're using grub, can you boot CD and pass along your menu.lst or grub.conf? If LILO, how about booting from CD and then re-running the LILO installer? On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Tony Abou-Assaleh wrote: > Hi tlugers, > > My PSU was toasted. I took the HDD out and installed it on another PC. > The file system had problems but after e2fsck it appears stable. No data > was lost as far as I can tell, but I couldn't boot into by Ubuntu 7.10 > (xubunutu) Linux. > > I booted using a live CD and went to rescue mode. I updated/upgraded > packages using apt-get, executed update-initramfs, and all seemed well. > I can even start apache and sshd from this rescue shell. > > When I try to boot from the HDD I consistently get the same thing: I get > the BusyBox initramfs shell and I don't know how to go past that. > Nothing is mounted. > > I have the boot partition on /dev/sda1 and the root partition on raid1 > volume. I am using only a single drive from the raid array. > > Any ideas why I'm getting the initramfs prompt on boot and how to get > past that? > > Cheers, > > TAA > > -- > Tony Abou-Assaleh > Email: taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org > Web site: http://tony.abou-assaleh.net > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 22:30:04 2008 From: taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Tony Abou-Assaleh) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:30:04 -0400 Subject: Boot Problem after Crash In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0803071418t59ca43e1j14007dbce839021e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47D17DC6.7050600@acm.org> <3a97ef0803071418t59ca43e1j14007dbce839021e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D1C1EC.3010303@acm.org> Tyler Aviss wrote: > GRUB or LILO? > > If you're using grub, can you boot CD and pass along your menu.lst or grub.conf? > If LILO, how about booting from CD and then re-running the LILO installer? Here is the item from my menu.lst from grub that I've been using: title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic, UUID root root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic \ root=UUID=28fd2317-9996-4c22-8e16-32e3e7c5c393 ro quiet splash initrd /initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic quiet savedefault Previously, it was: title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic \ root=/dev/mapper/raid250-root ro quiet splash initrd /initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic quiet savedefault Both give the same result. I added \ to indicate long lines, they're one liners in the file. Cheers, TAA -- Tony Abou-Assaleh Email: taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Web site: http://tony.abou-assaleh.net -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 23:05:40 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:05:40 -0500 Subject: Poll; Tape drives In-Reply-To: <47D18C92.7010708-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47C5C002.1010100@alteeve.com> <1204171725.4233.2294.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> <20080228134951.GT1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080307142838.GN1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47D16CFA.5000909@alteeve.com> <47D18C92.7010708@telly.org> Message-ID: <47D1CA44.2000400@alteeve.com> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: > >> Off-list I was speaking to a friend who works in IT at a big company, >> and she also voted for tapes, saying that in large scale environments >> "it's the way to go". >> >> It surprises me, in a way. I was expecting to hear grumblings that tape >> was a necessary evil, but apparently it is still a preferred solution in >> larger situations. > > Being preferred doesn't mean it's the technically best -- or least > expensive -- or most reliable choice. > > Madison, you've been working with Linux for a while now. Therefore, you > should already be painfully aware of the immense power of inertia and > fear of the unknown, and its effect on IT decision-making ;-). > > - Evan Haha, true! That is a big reason why I am so willing to walk away from "large" potential customers. I know that many would write my program off right off the bat, simply for being "new". Truth be told though, I can't blame people. I would never ask someone whose neck is on the line to trust any new program, let alone mine. I guess what I am getting at is; I suspect (hope?) that people with more modest needs will consider my program, and then from there it will "trickle up" as it matures over the years. By the time it would be considered for use in a big company it will have had a lot of time to grow which, in turn, will let me see what demands there are for features, including hardware support. Lennart's email talks about those customers, whom I don't suspect will give me the time of day for years to come. So for now, I think I will focus on the smaller shops and soho to start building a user base for. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linuxdarkstar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 23:18:43 2008 From: linuxdarkstar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kamran) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:18:43 -0500 Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0803070607p4bb59487k51f094ae8fb1ff9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47D0D990.4020205@gmail.com> <47D0DB07.1090901@gmail.com> <3a97ef0803070607p4bb59487k51f094ae8fb1ff9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D1CD53.70903@gmail.com> Tyler Aviss wrote: > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 1:04 AM, Kamran wrote: >> Kamran wrote: >> > I'm kind of bored these days. Anyone know of used\junk computer stores >> > that I can kill some time in. A store with parts over 7 years old is >> > what I am looking for. I know of a couple but they usually have run of >> > the mill x86 desktop junk. >> > >> >> Errr nevermind I found just the place. It isn't run by Jawas though. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > In that case, you should share, some of the rest of us like playing > with fun odds-and-ends too :-) > Alas I was refused entrance on the grounds I am part of the general public. This is why need more computer parts stores run by Jawas. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 23:23:33 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:23:33 -0500 Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas In-Reply-To: <47D1CD53.70903-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47D0D990.4020205@gmail.com> <47D0DB07.1090901@gmail.com> <3a97ef0803070607p4bb59487k51f094ae8fb1ff9@mail.gmail.com> <47D1CD53.70903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D1CE75.8050201@rogers.com> Kamran wrote: > > > Alas I was refused entrance on the grounds I am part of the general > public. This is why need more computer parts stores run by Jawas. What are "Jawas" -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linuxdarkstar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 23:30:08 2008 From: linuxdarkstar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kamran) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:30:08 -0500 Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas In-Reply-To: <47D1CE75.8050201-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47D0D990.4020205@gmail.com> <47D0DB07.1090901@gmail.com> <3a97ef0803070607p4bb59487k51f094ae8fb1ff9@mail.gmail.com> <47D1CD53.70903@gmail.com> <47D1CE75.8050201@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47D1D000.3090107@gmail.com> James Knott wrote: > Kamran wrote: >> >> >> Alas I was refused entrance on the grounds I am part of the general >> public. This is why need more computer parts stores run by Jawas. > > What are "Jawas" http://www.starwars.com/databank/species/jawa/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 23:37:52 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 18:37:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas In-Reply-To: <20080307213306.GQ1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0803070607p4bb59487k51f094ae8fb1ff9@mail.gmail.com> <756858.54730.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080307213306.GQ1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <2106.72.141.149.78.1204933072.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > I think most motherboards that used one of those also tended to put a > USB or Serial connector on the same bracket to be efficient. Someone > with a dremmel, steady hands and patience could probably turn a solid > bracket into what you want. > >> I hope my bits can help someone and I would love one >> of the noted metal plates. > Keystone sell these brackets 'off the shelf'. http://www.keyelco.com/products/prod45.asp?SubCategoryID=26 Looks like you need part number 9200-3. Digikey are a dealer but they don't have stock on that particular item. If you are really keen, you could phone Keystone and ask them who is likely to have it. Or a request on letterhead might pry loose a sample ;). -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 8 01:31:29 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:31:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas In-Reply-To: <47D1D000.3090107-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47D1D000.3090107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <258710.38486.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Kamran wrote: > James Knott wrote: > > Kamran wrote: > >> > >> > >> Alas I was refused entrance on the grounds I am > part of the general > >> public. This is why need more computer parts > stores run by Jawas. > > > > What are "Jawas" > > http://www.starwars.com/databank/species/jawa/ I recognized the reference instantly, the small creatures who would trade/deal in almost any sort of used hardware ... such as robots. Jawas also served as good target practice for Imperial Stormtroopers in the first (or is that the fourth?) Star Wars movie... They were used as target practice because they had been dealing in used hardware, namely robots wanted by the Empire. I trust it was the first role that you were thinking of rather than the second ... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 8 01:41:45 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:41:45 -0500 Subject: Boot Problem after Crash In-Reply-To: <47D1C1EC.3010303-HInyCGIudOg@public.gmane.org> References: <47D17DC6.7050600@acm.org> <3a97ef0803071418t59ca43e1j14007dbce839021e@mail.gmail.com> <47D1C1EC.3010303@acm.org> Message-ID: <3a97ef0803071741m7fbc1284gf75c19ee79c12544@mail.gmail.com> Hmm. Could it be that the initrd is hosed. Perhaps if you tried installing a new kernel package (or if you're feeling brave, roll your own that doesn't need an initrd)? Is there an older kernel/initrd that you could put in there and try to boot from? On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Tony Abou-Assaleh wrote: > Tyler Aviss wrote: > > GRUB or LILO? > > > > If you're using grub, can you boot CD and pass along your menu.lst or > grub.conf? > > If LILO, how about booting from CD and then re-running the LILO > installer? > > Here is the item from my menu.lst from grub that I've been using: > > title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic, UUID root > root (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic \ > root=UUID=28fd2317-9996-4c22-8e16-32e3e7c5c393 ro quiet splash > initrd /initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic > quiet > savedefault > > Previously, it was: > > title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic > root (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic \ > root=/dev/mapper/raid250-root ro quiet splash > initrd /initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic > quiet > savedefault > > Both give the same result. I added \ to indicate long lines, they're one > liners in the file. > > > > Cheers, > > TAA > > -- > Tony Abou-Assaleh > Email: taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org > Web site: http://tony.abou-assaleh.net > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 8 02:23:29 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 21:23:29 -0500 Subject: Poll; Tape drives In-Reply-To: <47D1CA44.2000400-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47C5C002.1010100@alteeve.com> <1204171725.4233.2294.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> <20080228134951.GT1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080307142838.GN1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47D16CFA.5000909@alteeve.com> <47D18C92.7010708@telly.org> <47D1CA44.2000400@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: > I guess what I am getting at is; I suspect (hope?) that people with > more modest needs will consider my program, and then from there it will > "trickle up" as it matures over the years. By the time it would be > considered for use in a big company it will have had a lot of time to > grow which, in turn, will let me see what demands there are for > features, including hardware support. The thing is, the customers with "mainframe-like" requirements will quite likely continue to diverge away from you and the "norm" in terms of their requirements. I would NOT assume that you'll get to a point where they become interested. More likely, "success" would be defined by the market reaching a point where a hardware model involving "hard drives in small cases" is representative of a meaningful portion of the marketplace. Lennart fairly nicely parameterized things, whether you look at things strictly or not; tape drives and tapes are sufficiently expensive that they don't have a large "edge" over disk storage. Something he *didn't* point out (in any detail) is that the pricing of disk drives has been falling over the last number of years, concurrent with increases in capacity, and at a much higher rate than tape capacity has grown. And it is not obvious that tapes have been getting cheaper the way disk drives have. Indeed, the cost of the tape drive you need to back up a 1TB drive is a lot higher than the cost of the one needed to back up 4GB drives, once upon a time, which points at an *increase* in costs. I used to be able to buy a $150 tape drive that would back up my hard drive, back when I had hundreds of MB of storage that cost me a couple hundred dollars. In contrast, today, the tape drive required to back up 1TB of disk costs around $3500, which is around 10x the cost of the disk. There's a valid perspective for saying that tape drives have gotten on the order of 20x as expensive as they used to be, at least, in comparison with the way that 500GB of storage, today, is about the same price as 500MB used to be "in the good old days." I don't see tape getting cheaper over time; there is no "commodity market" causing there to be billions of units sold so as to draw prices down. In 15 years, it could easily be the case that the tape drive required to back up your system will cost $30K, based on the progression we have seen thus far. The people prepared to spend that will be prepared to spend a *LOT* of money on highly mature archival software. It's only an easy target to vendors that have already invested billions in it... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linuxdarkstar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 8 03:01:32 2008 From: linuxdarkstar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kamran) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:01:32 -0500 Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas In-Reply-To: <258710.38486.qm-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <258710.38486.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47D2018C.5050807@gmail.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > --- Kamran wrote: >> James Knott wrote: >>> Kamran wrote: >>>> >>>> Alas I was refused entrance on the grounds I am >> part of the general >>>> public. This is why need more computer parts >> stores run by Jawas. >>> What are "Jawas" >> http://www.starwars.com/databank/species/jawa/ > > I recognized the reference instantly, the small > creatures who would trade/deal in almost any sort of > used hardware ... such as robots. > > Jawas also served as good target practice for Imperial > Stormtroopers in the first (or is that the fourth?) > Star Wars movie... They were used as target practice > because they had been dealing in used hardware, namely > robots wanted by the Empire. > > I trust it was the first role that you were thinking > of rather than the second ... > > > Colin McGregor Definitely the first. However apparently according to the Star Wars site Jawas are a bit shady not unlike some of the computer dealers I have dealt with in the past. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 8 04:14:01 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 23:14:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Looking for Computer Parts store run by Jawas In-Reply-To: <47D2018C.5050807-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47D2018C.5050807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <944145.94066.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Kamran wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > > --- Kamran wrote: > >> James Knott wrote: > >>> Kamran wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Alas I was refused entrance on the grounds I am > >> part of the general > >>>> public. This is why need more computer parts > >> stores run by Jawas. > >>> What are "Jawas" > >> http://www.starwars.com/databank/species/jawa/ > > > > I recognized the reference instantly, the small > > creatures who would trade/deal in almost any sort > of > > used hardware ... such as robots. > > > > Jawas also served as good target practice for > Imperial > > Stormtroopers in the first (or is that the > fourth?) > > Star Wars movie... They were used as target > practice > > because they had been dealing in used hardware, > namely > > robots wanted by the Empire. > > > > I trust it was the first role that you were > thinking > > of rather than the second ... > > > > > > Colin McGregor > > Definitely the first. However apparently according > to the Star Wars > site Jawas are a bit shady not unlike some of the > computer dealers I > have dealt with in the past. Well, back in 1996 I work for a brief time as a sales person for a local non-name brand PC dealer... The issue then (and if anything it has likely gotten worse) is that GOOD margin on a typical no-name PC was about 10%. Out of that 10% they had to pay the staff, retail rent, power, heat, light, etc... Yes, the firm in question did cut some corners, namely post assembly testing was basicly zero, to stay in business they had to... Still, they would deliver what they said they would deliver in their ads.. So, IF you knew what you were doing, understood the trade-offs and were a little patient (if your system had a problem when you got it home they would fix it... but that would take a bit of time) you could get a fantastic deal. Put another way, I still do CONDITIONALLY recommend my former employer as place to buy PCs... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 8 04:36:05 2008 From: taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Tony Abou-Assaleh) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:36:05 -0400 Subject: Boot Problem after Crash In-Reply-To: <20080307214600.GS1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47D17DC6.7050600@acm.org> <20080307175143.GP1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47D1ABF5.8060807@acm.org> <20080307214600.GS1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47D217B5.90404@acm.org> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 04:56:21PM -0400, Tony Abou-Assaleh wrote: >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>> On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 01:39:18PM -0400, Tony Abou-Assaleh wrote: >>>> Hi tlugers, >>>> >>>> My PSU was toasted. I took the HDD out and installed it on another PC. >>>> The file system had problems but after e2fsck it appears stable. No data >>>> was lost as far as I can tell, but I couldn't boot into by Ubuntu 7.10 >>>> (xubunutu) Linux. >>>> >>>> I booted using a live CD and went to rescue mode. I updated/upgraded >>>> packages using apt-get, executed update-initramfs, and all seemed well. >>>> I can even start apache and sshd from this rescue shell. >>>> >>>> When I try to boot from the HDD I consistently get the same thing: I get >>>> the BusyBox initramfs shell and I don't know how to go past that. >>>> Nothing is mounted. >>>> >>>> I have the boot partition on /dev/sda1 and the root partition on raid1 >>>> volume. I am using only a single drive from the raid array. >>>> >>>> Any ideas why I'm getting the initramfs prompt on boot and how to get >>>> past that? >>> Perhaps the new machine enumerates the disks differently so it doesn't >>> know where to look for the root. >>> >>> What do you get from 'cat /proc/partitions' in the initramfs shell? >> -- >> major minor #blocks name >> 8 0 xxx sda >> 8 1 xxx sda1 >> 8 2 xxx sda2 >> 9 0 xxx md0 >> -- >> >> I omitted the block counts. sda1 is the boot partition, and sda2 is the >> raid container. When I run the same command from the recovery shell, I >> get 2 additional entries: >> >> -- >> 253 0 xxx dm-0 >> 253 1 xxx dm-1 >> -- >> >> Where dm-0 is the swap partition and dm-1 is the root partition. >> >>> How about /proc/mdstat? >> -- >> Personalities : [raid1] >> md0 : active raid1 sda2[0] >> xxx blocks [2/1] [U_] > > So one disk in the raid failed to appear? Yes. >> unused devices: >> -- >> >>> Perhaps you can find out what root is called and change the boot loader >>> to use root= whatever that is. >>> >>> I do everything in the boot loader and fstab by UUID these days just to >>> avoid this kind of hassle. >> I changed it to use root=UUID=xxx in the grub menu.lst, same thing. > > Can you mount the root partitions from initramfs and then pivotroot or > whatever they call it now to it and continue the boot? When I did lvm scan, it showed my root and swap volumes as inactive. After I activated them, I was able to mount them. I tried to chroot to the root but that didn't go too well because none the libraries required by many standard utilities were loaded. So I don't know what to do next from initramfs prompt. >>> The other option is that your initramfs only loaded the driver modules >>> needed by the old machine and not the ones for the new one, although >>> most I have seen recently (in debian at least) try to load pretty much >>> everything. Is the new machine perhaps too new or simply not supported >>> by your linux version? >> I can boot fine from a live CD, so the machine is linux compatible. I >> was able to connect to the Internet, start apache and sshd manually, and >> connect to them from another machine. >> >> Also I ran update-initramfs on the new machine, so again that's not >> likely to be the problem. >> >> It looks like the raid volume is recognized during the boot sequence, >> but the partitions within it are not. Any ideas? > > I have never used partitions on raid. I always run LVM on raid. I know > how that works. LVM is much more flexible than partitions, so why use > partitions on raid? My bad. I am actually using LVM and they're volumes, not partitions. Cheers, TAA -- Tony Abou-Assaleh Email: taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Web site: http://tony.abou-assaleh.net -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 8 04:36:16 2008 From: taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Tony Abou-Assaleh) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:36:16 -0400 Subject: Boot Problem after Crash In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0803071741m7fbc1284gf75c19ee79c12544-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47D17DC6.7050600@acm.org> <3a97ef0803071418t59ca43e1j14007dbce839021e@mail.gmail.com> <47D1C1EC.3010303@acm.org> <3a97ef0803071741m7fbc1284gf75c19ee79c12544@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D217C0.30601@acm.org> Tyler Aviss wrote: > Hmm. Could it be that the initrd is hosed. Perhaps if you tried > installing a new kernel package (or if you're feeling brave, roll your > own that doesn't need an initrd)? > > Is there an older kernel/initrd that you could put in there and try to > boot from? I tried older kernels, they used to hang on fsck. Then I figured out why, I had other drives in fstab from the toasted PC. I commented out these entries and I don't get fsck error anymore. Now my screen goes blank, i.e., no output and stays like that. After about 1/2 hour I gave up and rebooted. I tried rebuilding initrd, but I still get the initramfs prompt when I boot. Cheers, TAA -- Tony Abou-Assaleh Email: taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Web site: http://tony.abou-assaleh.net -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 8 11:14:26 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 14:14:26 +0300 Subject: Analysis of top output Message-ID: Hi there, I was fishing around for the cause of server slowdown and I realized I may be very conversant with some of top's data. Well, I do have some assumption but wonder if they are right. 2 of them are of particular interest to me:- iowait I googled a bit on what this could entail and it looks like something to do with disk access. Now, the tricky bit is, I haven't installed anything new recently that could need intensive hard disk access. I have tried using lsof /dev/sda1, but it don't seem to be very helpful. Any pointer on how one can nail the offending process - well, other than using lsof against all existing process? 0k shrd The other data I don't understand is shrd. Would one of us be aware of what this data means? Sample output of top below 07:06:32 up 18 days, 16:19, 1 user, load average: 6.58, 5.51, 4.46 141 processes: 140 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: cpu user nice system irq softirq iowait idle total 3.0% 0.0% 1.1% 0.1% 0.0% 95.3% 0.0% cpu00 3.1% 0.0% 0.9% 0.0% 0.0% 95.8% 0.0% cpu01 3.0% 0.0% 1.4% 0.4% 0.2% 94.8% 0.2% Mem: 2061424k av, 1936696k used, 124728k free, 0k shrd, 27348k buff 1482172k actv, 189004k in_d, 29920k in_c Swap: 2096440k av, 1709540k used, 386900k free 106656k cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND 2504 amavis 16 0 50324 40M 2272 S 0.5 1.9 0:09 0 amavisd 4907 amavis 15 0 44648 34M 2272 S 0.4 1.7 0:00 0 amavisd 3118 amavis 15 0 49452 39M 2272 S 0.2 1.9 0:06 1 amavisd 1 root 15 0 504 476 448 S 0.0 0.0 0:12 1 init 2 root RT 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 migration/0 3 root RT 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 1 migration/1 4 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 1 keventd 5 root 34 19 0 0 0 SWN 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 ksoftirqd/0 6 root 34 19 0 0 0 SWN 0.0 0.0 0:00 1 ksoftirqd/1 9 root 25 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 1 bdflush 7 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 9:27 0 kswapd 8 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 7:02 1 kscand 10 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:11 1 kupdated Continues............. Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 8 18:45:35 2008 From: lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:45:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sympatico SMTP server's SASL authentication failure In-Reply-To: <20080306175131.GP32111-mftiv7bPLXuWyD0oabkhag@public.gmane.org> References: <20080306175131.GP32111@np305c2n2.ms.com> Message-ID: Hi! As my usual SMTP provider (which I can connect by ssh tunneling) may close shop soon, I am trying to get my computer at home - running postfix 2.4.6 - to connect to the smtp server of my actual ISP - Sympatico. Sympatico SMTP server require TLS and SASL authentication. The SASL authentication failed as shown below: ------ quote from maillog ------ Mar 8 12:28:55 mymachine postfix/smtp[19987]: TLS connection established to smtphm.sympatico.ca: TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits) Mar 8 12:28:55 mymachine postfix/smtp[19987]: 9205B2323F2E: to=, relay=smtphm.sympatico.ca[65.54.191.190]:25, delay=4784, delays=4783/0.04/0.73/0, dsn=4.7.0, status=deferred (SASL authentication failed; cannot authenticate to server smtphm.sympatico.ca[65.54.191.190]: bad protocol / cancel) ------ end quote from maillog ------ The part of main.cf modified from the sample for this purpose is quoted below: ------ quote from maim.cf ------ smtp_use_tls=yes smtp_tls_note_starttls_offer=yes smtp_tls_loglevel=2 smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/opt/local/etc/postfix/saslpass smtp_sasl_tls_security_options= smtp_sasl_tls_verified_security_options=$smtp_sasl_tls_security_options ------ end quote from maim.cf ------ Any idea? Thanks! -- (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ Xinnian Kuaile! ???? Gongxi Facai ???? From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 9 15:40:17 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:40:17 -0400 Subject: perl buffering problem on input from shell command Message-ID: <47D404E1.10402@alteeve.com> Hi all, Another question, if I may. :) I've been struggling with a buffering problem... I listen to the output from a shell command ('dbus-monitor --system --profile', specifically). When certain strings come up, I need to perform some tasks. The problem is, the data coming in is cached, and so the loop can be delayed for some time. I figured it was the usual "suffering from buffering" issue, and tried various things I could to make the filehandle hot. Finally in reading some of the docs I realized that making a filehandle hot only works on output, not input. The only option I saw there was 'getc()', but I can't seen to get it working and it seems it will flush after every byte, where I want to flush on newline '\n'... Is this possible? Am I approaching this the wrong way entirely? Here is the exact code... (cleaned up for the post) my $shell_call="dbus-monitor --system --profile 2>&1 |"; my $dm=IO::Handle->new(); my $child_pid=getc ($dm, $shell_call) or die "Error: $!\n"; $dm->autoflush(1); push (@::pids, $child_pid); while (<$dm>) { chomp; my $line=$_; $line=~s/\s+/ /g; my ($type, $unix_time, $serial, $unknown1, $udi, $interface, $action)=split/ /, $line, 7; next if ( $type ne "sig" ); next if ( $udi !~ /\/org\/freedesktop\/Hal/ ); next if ( $udi =~ /acpi_BAT(\d+)$/ ); # Go ahead and scan. &scan_devices($conf, $dbh); } $dm->close(); Thanks! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 9 22:43:19 2008 From: lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sympatico SMTP server's SASL authentication failure In-Reply-To: References: <20080306175131.GP32111@np305c2n2.ms.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Mar 2008, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > Sympatico SMTP server require TLS and SASL authentication. The > SASL authentication failed as shown below: Solved. Apparently the Hotmail (which provide Sympatico e-mail service)'s SMTP server misbehaved (a Microsoft server misbehaved? Really?), but I managed set postfix to get around it by tell postfix not to use "login" mechanism in SASL, using this configuration: smtp_sasl_mechanism_filter=!login, static:rest Well, another reason not to use Sympatico. I would already move away from Sympatico if I am not worry about being put into second tier by Bell when Bell has network issues. -- (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 10 03:24:48 2008 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:24:48 -0400 Subject: OT: Is SPAM traffic way down? Message-ID: <47D4AA00.9080009@utoronto.ca> My U of T email which used to receive 100 spam email per day is now only receiving 12. To what do I owe my good fortune? BTW, the figures above refer to what U of T's spam folder was dropping into my IMAP junk-mail folder. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 10 03:58:10 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:58:10 -0400 Subject: OT: Is SPAM traffic way down? In-Reply-To: <47D4AA00.9080009-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <47D4AA00.9080009@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <47D4B1D2.4080409@utoronto.ca> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > My U of T email which used to receive 100 spam email per day is now only > receiving 12. > > To what do I owe my good fortune? > > BTW, the figures above refer to what U of T's spam folder was dropping > into my IMAP junk-mail folder. > > Ivan. Dunno. I noticed that too though. Take a look at http://www.utoronto.ca/ns/stats/antispam.html pretty dramatic reduction all of a sudden. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 10 04:17:39 2008 From: taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Tony Abou-Assaleh) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:17:39 -0300 Subject: Boot Problem after Crash In-Reply-To: <47D217B5.90404-HInyCGIudOg@public.gmane.org> References: <47D17DC6.7050600@acm.org> <20080307175143.GP1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47D1ABF5.8060807@acm.org> <20080307214600.GS1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47D217B5.90404@acm.org> Message-ID: <47D4B663.1030002@acm.org> Tony Abou-Assaleh wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 04:56:21PM -0400, Tony Abou-Assaleh wrote: >>> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>>> On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 01:39:18PM -0400, Tony Abou-Assaleh wrote: >>>>> Hi tlugers, >>>>> >>>>> My PSU was toasted. I took the HDD out and installed it on another >>>>> PC. The file system had problems but after e2fsck it appears >>>>> stable. No data was lost as far as I can tell, but I couldn't boot >>>>> into by Ubuntu 7.10 (xubunutu) Linux. >>>>> >>>>> I booted using a live CD and went to rescue mode. I >>>>> updated/upgraded packages using apt-get, executed update-initramfs, >>>>> and all seemed well. I can even start apache and sshd from this >>>>> rescue shell. >>>>> >>>>> When I try to boot from the HDD I consistently get the same thing: >>>>> I get the BusyBox initramfs shell and I don't know how to go past >>>>> that. Nothing is mounted. >>>>> >>>>> I have the boot partition on /dev/sda1 and the root partition on >>>>> raid1 volume. I am using only a single drive from the raid array. >>>>> >>>>> Any ideas why I'm getting the initramfs prompt on boot and how to >>>>> get past that? >>>> Perhaps the new machine enumerates the disks differently so it doesn't >>>> know where to look for the root. >>>> >>>> What do you get from 'cat /proc/partitions' in the initramfs shell? >>> -- >>> major minor #blocks name >>> 8 0 xxx sda >>> 8 1 xxx sda1 >>> 8 2 xxx sda2 >>> 9 0 xxx md0 >>> -- >>> >>> I omitted the block counts. sda1 is the boot partition, and sda2 is >>> the raid container. When I run the same command from the recovery >>> shell, I get 2 additional entries: >>> >>> -- >>> 253 0 xxx dm-0 >>> 253 1 xxx dm-1 >>> -- >>> >>> Where dm-0 is the swap partition and dm-1 is the root partition. >>> >>>> How about /proc/mdstat? >>> -- >>> Personalities : [raid1] >>> md0 : active raid1 sda2[0] >>> xxx blocks [2/1] [U_] >> >> So one disk in the raid failed to appear? > > Yes. > >>> unused devices: >>> -- >>> >>>> Perhaps you can find out what root is called and change the boot loader >>>> to use root= whatever that is. >>>> >>>> I do everything in the boot loader and fstab by UUID these days just to >>>> avoid this kind of hassle. >>> I changed it to use root=UUID=xxx in the grub menu.lst, same thing. >> >> Can you mount the root partitions from initramfs and then pivotroot or >> whatever they call it now to it and continue the boot? > > When I did lvm scan, it showed my root and swap volumes as inactive. > After I activated them, I was able to mount them. I tried to chroot to > the root but that didn't go too well because none the libraries required > by many standard utilities were loaded. So I don't know what to do next > from initramfs prompt. > >>>> The other option is that your initramfs only loaded the driver modules >>>> needed by the old machine and not the ones for the new one, although >>>> most I have seen recently (in debian at least) try to load pretty much >>>> everything. Is the new machine perhaps too new or simply not supported >>>> by your linux version? >>> I can boot fine from a live CD, so the machine is linux compatible. I >>> was able to connect to the Internet, start apache and sshd manually, >>> and connect to them from another machine. >>> >>> Also I ran update-initramfs on the new machine, so again that's not >>> likely to be the problem. >>> >>> It looks like the raid volume is recognized during the boot sequence, >>> but the partitions within it are not. Any ideas? >> >> I have never used partitions on raid. I always run LVM on raid. I know >> how that works. LVM is much more flexible than partitions, so why use >> partitions on raid? > > My bad. I am actually using LVM and they're volumes, not partitions. After spending hours and hours reading the forums, I found one posting where a similar problem was solved by installing lvm2. For me, lvm2 was already installed but generating new initrd files and even installing new kernels only made things worse. However, after reading this post, I tried the following command from a rescue chrooted shell: -- # dpkg-reconfigure lvm2 Backing up any LVM2 metadata that may exist...done. update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-386 -- I tried rebooting with this new initrd and boom! Problem solved. Thanks for your assistance Lennart and Tyler, it helped me look in the right direction. Cheers, TAA -- Tony Abou-Assaleh Email: taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Web site: http://tony.abou-assaleh.net -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 10 12:31:09 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:31:09 -0400 Subject: OT: Is SPAM traffic way down? In-Reply-To: <47D4AA00.9080009-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <47D4AA00.9080009@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <47D52A0D.7080004@rogers.com> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > My U of T email which used to receive 100 spam email per day is now only > receiving 12. > > To what do I owe my good fortune? > > BTW, the figures above refer to what U of T's spam folder was dropping > into my IMAP junk-mail folder. I'm probably getting it. I've noticed a significant increase lately. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 10 12:48:49 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (sciguy) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:48:49 -0400 Subject: X windows strangeness (Ubuntu) Message-ID: X is behaving very strangely. I am working on a PC which hasn't given X any trouble for many months until now. This Ubuntu installation is close to 6 months old, and is updated regularly. I currently cannot run X under any user other than root. And when I do, it is by logging on to a console as an ordinary user and running "sudo startx" at the prompt. And when I do that, X is having trouble giving my windows a title bar. It takes a long time before this happens. I also notice my desktop switcher takes a long time to give me more than one desktop. What I mean by "a long time", I can't be sure. But after an hour last night I left the computer the way it was and went to bed. When I got up this morning, I finally had much of my window decorations where they should be, and I had my standard 4 desktops on the switcher. X failed to start on its own, as evidenced by the fact that I received a message that said that X failed to start for 6 times in the past 90 seconds. This is odd, because each time it tried to start on its own, I could see and move my mouse over the black screen. It was a Gnome-style mouse, not the default X mouse. In my Applications menu, I noticed a long list of menu items were moved to a submenu called "lost and found". This consisted of things that look like they should have standard places in the menu system. Such as a session manager, connection preferences, Add/Remove programs, Network settings, and a long list of 50 or more other items. Clicking on these items don't seem to bring up a window. But this is true for all other menu items. I had Firefox in the icon bar next to the menus, and was able to log into my email over the web and write this email. This window was placed at screen coordinates (0, 0) (upper left) with no title bar. I had to drag the menu bar elsewhere so I could see the menus. I can't seem to get an xterm, kterm, or any other terminal app. Going to the console a few minutes ago had resulted in X freezing. /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't seem to have anything special, although it had hundreds of lines which say: SetClientVersion: 0 9 Doing a "grep SetClientVersion Xorg.0.log|wc -l" shows that this message was repeated 798 times. Doing it again shows that this message has now been repeated 825 times (commands issued about a minute apart). Any help would be appreciated. Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 10 13:31:41 2008 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:31:41 -0400 Subject: MS office & Open office compatibility issue In-Reply-To: References: <20080303100435.0775a95f.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20080310093141.46ba9a60.hgibson@eol.ca> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:40:25 +0300 "William Muriithi" wrote: > Hi Gibson, > > Open Office spaces lines further apart than Microsoft Word does. > > > > Instead of setting large, bold fonts, use the headers from the stylesheet, than attach a table of contents. Tell the MS Word user to right click, then update. Don't tell them how many pages you are sending. > > Do you mind explaining the second paragraph further. I am really > interested in it, but don't seem to understand it in its present form. William, Microsoft Word and Open Office both use stylesheets for formatting. Stylesheet are counterintuitive, and most people do not seem to understand them. This makes Microsoft Word and Open Office quite a bit more obtuse than WordPerfect, which embeds formatting codes in the text. Stylesheets are a powerful formatting tool once you understand them. On either word processor, there is a toobar that lets you select a style for your current paragraph. On my blank Open Office document, the toolbar says "Default". If I pull the bar down, I see a selection of headings, plus some formats called "Text body...". If I explore it, I will find all sorts of other stuff. This is all much like stylesheets on the web. Example: You have created a document with sections written by different authors. You create a style called "Author", and you use this to type in the author's names. From the style editor, you can simultaneously control for the format of each author entry, including the font, justifications, and staying connected to the next paragaph when the page wraps. You need to play with it a bit to really understand it. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 10 13:38:34 2008 From: hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Henry de Valence) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:38:34 -0400 Subject: MS office & Open office compatibility issue In-Reply-To: <20080310093141.46ba9a60.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080310093141.46ba9a60.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <200803100938.34746.hdevalence@gmail.com> On Monday 10 March 2008 09:31:41 Howard Gibson wrote: > On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:40:25 +0300 > > "William Muriithi" wrote: > > Hi Gibson, > > > > > Open Office spaces lines further apart than Microsoft Word does. > > > > > > Instead of setting large, bold fonts, use the headers from the > > > stylesheet, than attach a table of contents. Tell the MS Word user to > > > right click, then update. Don't tell them how many pages you are > > > sending. > > > > Do you mind explaining the second paragraph further. I am really > > interested in it, but don't seem to understand it in its present form. > > William, > > Microsoft Word and Open Office both use stylesheets for formatting. > Stylesheet are counterintuitive, and most people do not seem to understand > them. This makes Microsoft Word and Open Office quite a bit more obtuse > than WordPerfect, which embeds formatting codes in the text. > > Stylesheets are a powerful formatting tool once you understand them. > > On either word processor, there is a toobar that lets you select a style > for your current paragraph. On my blank Open Office document, the toolbar > says "Default". If I pull the bar down, I see a selection of headings, > plus some formats called "Text body...". If I explore it, I will find all > sorts of other stuff. > > This is all much like stylesheets on the web. In my opinion, LaTeX is much easier to use than MS Word or OOo or KWord for KDE3. You just type your text and it does all the formatting for you. It's just that the command line is a bit intimidating to some. I'm sure there are good LaTeX gui programs out there though. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 10 14:56:42 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:56:42 -0400 Subject: X windows strangeness (Ubuntu) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D513EA.28508.E91D0@sciguy.vex.net> As an update, the machine is dual-boot, so booting into MS-windows did not seem to pose a problem. At least I can rule out the monitor or the card. > > X is behaving very strangely. I am working on a PC which hasn't given X any > trouble for many months until now. This Ubuntu installation is close to 6 > months old, and is updated regularly. > > I currently cannot run X under any user other than root. And when I do, it > is by logging on to a console as an ordinary user and running "sudo startx" > at the prompt. And when I do that, X is having trouble giving my windows a > title bar. It takes a long time before this happens. I also notice my > desktop switcher takes a long time to give me more than one desktop. > > What I mean by "a long time", I can't be sure. But after an hour last night > I left the computer the way it was and went to bed. When I got up this > morning, I finally had much of my window decorations where they should be, > and I had my standard 4 desktops on the switcher. > > X failed to start on its own, as evidenced by the fact that I received a > message that said that X failed to start for 6 times in the past 90 > seconds. This is odd, because each time it tried to start on its own, I > could see and move my mouse over the black screen. It was a Gnome-style > mouse, not the default X mouse. > > In my Applications menu, I noticed a long list of menu items were moved to > a submenu called "lost and found". This consisted of things that look like > they should have standard places in the menu system. Such as a session > manager, connection preferences, Add/Remove programs, Network settings, and > a long list of 50 or more other items. Clicking on these items don't seem > to bring up a window. But this is true for all other menu items. I had > Firefox in the icon bar next to the menus, and was able to log into my > email over the web and write this email. This window was placed at screen > coordinates (0, 0) (upper left) with no title bar. I had to drag the menu > bar elsewhere so I could see the menus. > > I can't seem to get an xterm, kterm, or any other terminal app. Going to > the console a few minutes ago had resulted in X freezing. > > /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't seem to have anything special, although it had > hundreds of lines which say: SetClientVersion: 0 9 > > Doing a "grep SetClientVersion Xorg.0.log|wc -l" shows that this message > was repeated 798 times. Doing it again shows that this message has now been > repeated 825 times (commands issued about a minute apart). > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Paul King > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > __________ NOD32 2934 (20080310) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 10 14:16:59 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:16:59 -0400 Subject: OT: Is SPAM traffic way down? In-Reply-To: <47D52A0D.7080004-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47D4AA00.9080009@utoronto.ca> <47D52A0D.7080004@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280803100716k31666aeclda57fc7e742c8483@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 8:31 AM, James Knott wrote: > Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > > My U of T email which used to receive 100 spam email per day is now only > > receiving 12. > > > > To what do I owe my good fortune? > > > > BTW, the figures above refer to what U of T's spam folder was dropping > > into my IMAP junk-mail folder. > > I'm probably getting it. I've noticed a significant increase lately. This is probably either a U of T thing or the product of an upstream provider's actions. I'm with James on this one: the spam in my gmail account continues to creep steadily up despite my best efforts to obfuscate my address on my website (yes, I know this isn't their only source). -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 10 14:25:46 2008 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:25:46 -0400 Subject: OT: Is SPAM traffic way down? In-Reply-To: <1f13df280803100716k31666aeclda57fc7e742c8483-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47D4AA00.9080009@utoronto.ca> <47D52A0D.7080004@rogers.com> <1f13df280803100716k31666aeclda57fc7e742c8483@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803101025.46873.glayng@sympatico.ca> For awhile there I was getting tons of spam for one American pink-sheet stock, then for a second. I forwarded the whole lot to enforcement-DKzpbgTn6vo at public.gmane.org Hopefully someone is now looking at trading patterns. I've seen the manipulators get caught in the past; let's hope the manipulators of these two stocks get some time off in the Crowbar Hotel, or at least relieved of their ill-gotten gains. On Monday 10 March 2008 10:16, Giles Orr wrote: > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 8:31 AM, James Knott wrote: > > Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > > > My U of T email which used to receive 100 spam email per day is now > > > only receiving 12. > > > > > > To what do I owe my good fortune? > > > > > > BTW, the figures above refer to what U of T's spam folder was dropping > > > into my IMAP junk-mail folder. > > > > I'm probably getting it. I've noticed a significant increase lately. > > This is probably either a U of T thing or the product of an upstream > provider's actions. I'm with James on this one: the spam in my gmail > account continues to creep steadily up despite my best efforts to > obfuscate my address on my website (yes, I know this isn't their only > source). -- there's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 10 14:52:11 2008 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:52:11 -0400 Subject: OT: Is SPAM traffic way down? In-Reply-To: <47D4AA00.9080009-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <47D4AA00.9080009@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > My U of T email which used to receive 100 spam email per day is now only > receiving 12. > > To what do I owe my good fortune? > > BTW, the figures above refer to what U of T's spam folder was dropping > into my IMAP junk-mail folder. Lucky you .. over the last six months or so, my GMail spam folder has usually had about 3000 messages, but lately it's been creeping up .. I'm now over 4800 messages. That's whatever gets kept for 30 days. I used to go into the folder and clean it up, but I don't bother anymore. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 10 16:31:43 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:31:43 -0500 Subject: restore Evolution after OS install Message-ID: <47D5626F.7080208@chrisaitken.net> What is the Evolution file/directory that I have to save if I want to have the email/calendar stuff installed after an OS install? I know how to revive a thunderbird mail file but I've never done it with Evolution ('cause I don't use it). I want to get fedora core 4 off my wife's machine and replace it with ubuntu. I can't get network printing working so I figure ubuntu with a newer cups will rectify that. CHris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 10 17:43:29 2008 From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: restore Evolution after OS install In-Reply-To: <47D5626F.7080208-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47D5626F.7080208@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > What is the Evolution file/directory that I have to save if I want to > have the email/calendar stuff installed after an OS install? I know how > to revive a thunderbird mail file but I've never done it with Evolution > ('cause I don't use it). I want to get fedora core 4 off my wife's > machine and replace it with ubuntu. I can't get network printing working > so I figure ubuntu with a newer cups will rectify that. It's all in $HOME/.evolution - Julian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 10 23:38:15 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:38:15 -0500 Subject: share published printer FC4? In-Reply-To: <20080225184626.GA1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47C2BDFC.9070507@chrisaitken.net> <20080225151510.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C30DA7.2080207@chrisaitken.net> <20080225184626.GA1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47D5C667.1040405@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 01:49:11PM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > > >>/etc/rc/init.d/cups? I see nothing in there about sharing.. >> >> > >No cupsd.conf > > Shouldn't these lines ensure access to the printer from remote machines? I commented out Deny From All and added Allow All... Order Deny,Allow #Deny From All Allow All Allow From 127.0.0.1 AuthType None Chris >-- >Len Sorensen >-- > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 10 23:14:41 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:14:41 -0400 Subject: X WIndows weirdness fixed Message-ID: <1205190881.7086.4.camel@aragorn> It was really dumb. Just did an "ls -l /" and found the permissions on /tmp was set to 776. So I set it to 777, and my problems are over, X is working normally. The reason it was set that way was likely due to a flurry of other changes I made to /. It looked as though an earlier package made directories directly on / for some reason. I eliminated those directories, and for whatever reason known only at the time, set the permission to /tmp to 776 without setting it back. So, this time, it was set back to 777, and everything is back to normal. Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 10 23:21:04 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:21:04 -0400 Subject: Top-level directories in UBUNTU Message-ID: <1205191264.7086.12.camel@aragorn> Anyone know what the top-level directories are supposed to look like under Ubuntu 7.*? This is the output of my "ls -F: command: bin/ dev/ initrd/ lib/ opt/ sbin/ usr/ vmlinuz.old@ boot/ etc/ initrd.img@ media/ proc/ sys/ var/ cdrom@ home/ initrd.img.old@ mnt/ root/ tmp/ vmlinuz@ Anything strange here? To me, I am wondering why there are in effect two /proc directories (namely /proc and /sys)? initrd* should be under /boot, shouldn't it? Any comments? Where can I find the changes Ubuntu has made to the file system standard? Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 11 00:29:19 2008 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:29:19 -0400 Subject: Top-level directories in UBUNTU In-Reply-To: <1205191264.7086.12.camel@aragorn> References: <1205191264.7086.12.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: Paul King wrote: > Anyone know what the top-level directories are supposed to look like > under Ubuntu 7.*? This is the output of my "ls -F: command: > > bin/ dev/ initrd/ lib/ opt/ sbin/ usr/ vmlinuz.old@ > boot/ etc/ initrd.img@ media/ proc/ sys/ var/ > cdrom@ home/ initrd.img.old@ mnt/ root/ tmp/ vmlinuz@ > > Anything strange here? To me, I am wondering why there are in effect > two /proc directories (namely /proc and /sys)? initrd* should be > under /boot, shouldn't it? Any comments? Where can I find the changes > Ubuntu has made to the file system standard? I see the same thing on a Ubuntu 7.10 system that hasn't been messed with, much. All the dynamic usb stuff is found under /sys, it could be that /proc is being phased out. Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 11 01:02:16 2008 From: hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Henry de Valence) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:02:16 -0400 Subject: OT: Is SPAM traffic way down? In-Reply-To: References: <47D4AA00.9080009@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <200803102102.16642.hdevalence@gmail.com> On Monday 10 March 2008 10:52:11 Alex Beamish wrote: > On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > > My U of T email which used to receive 100 spam email per day is now only > > receiving 12. > > > > To what do I owe my good fortune? > > > > BTW, the figures above refer to what U of T's spam folder was dropping > > into my IMAP junk-mail folder. > > Lucky you .. over the last six months or so, my GMail spam folder has > usually had about 3000 messages, but lately it's been creeping up .. > I'm now over 4800 messages. That's whatever gets kept for 30 days. > > I used to go into the folder and clean it up, but I don't bother anymore. I have ~220, and I've recently noticed an increase in spam with Chinese/Japanese/Korean characters, which is odd, because I don't know why they would send it to me... I have also been getting a bunch of the "You've got a bunch of money suddenly" emails, but I've had those for a while. Here's part of one of the stranger ones: > The reason for depositing this money in Nigeria is due to the position > of Nigeria in the West African Sub-Region as Big Brother and also in a > way that it will not be traced, so you do not have to entertain any > fears concerning the process of moving this money, > for every arrangement > has been concluded, so just send your full details, like you full name > and address, your personal phone number this will be used to process all > the back up documents, The reason for not using his business partner in > the United Kingdom is to avoid being implicated, as his Junior brother > Charles Taylor is standing trial in Hague for his crime against > humanity. i wait to hear from you urgently. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 11 01:23:45 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: X WIndows weirdness fixed In-Reply-To: <1205190881.7086.4.camel@aragorn> References: <1205190881.7086.4.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: | From: Paul King | | It was really dumb. Just did an "ls -l /" and found the permissions | on /tmp was set to 776. So I set it to 777, and my problems are over, X | is working normally. On my CentOS 5.1 system, it looks like this: drwxrwxrwt 8 root root 4096 Mar 10 21:19 /tmp Don't forget the sticky bit. It has security implications. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 11 05:31:38 2008 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Top-level directories in UBUNTU In-Reply-To: References: <1205191264.7086.12.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Mel Wilson wrote: > I see the same thing on a Ubuntu 7.10 system that hasn't been messed with, > much. All the dynamic usb stuff is found under /sys, it could be that /proc > is being phased out. Not phased out so much as curtailed. /proc was had developed a lot of facilities which had nothing to do with processes. These are gradually being migrated over to /sys. Use of an up to date version of sysctl should generally make the move painless. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 11 12:36:08 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:36:08 -0400 Subject: [OT] One terabyte drive Message-ID: <47D67CB8.6090708@rogers.com> I picked up an external one at Future Shop for 229 plus taxes. I was thinking about a terabyte compared to the 10 meg drives in the IBM XT. Five zeros difference! Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 11 12:54:25 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (sciguy) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:54:25 -0400 Subject: [OT] One terabyte drive In-Reply-To: <47D67CB8.6090708-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47D67CB8.6090708@rogers.com> Message-ID: <8a93d74fbb3044913d5ebf77f6d2caaf@vex.net> It boggles the mind that it would take a hundred thousand 10 meg drives to have the same storage as a 1TB drive. The day was not too far off when the prospect of owning a TB of storage was almost inconceivable. And now, they're even falling in price. 100GB drives are now considered small (or at least middling), which is still 10,000x the capacity of a 10 MB drive. I think if I add up all my drives in the house, I may have just over 1.5 TB. Paul On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:36:08 -0400, Stephen wrote: > I picked up an external one at Future Shop for 229 plus taxes. > > I was thinking about a terabyte compared to the 10 meg drives in the IBM > XT. > > Five zeros difference! > > Stephen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 11 13:31:10 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:31:10 -0400 Subject: [OT] One terabyte drive In-Reply-To: <8a93d74fbb3044913d5ebf77f6d2caaf-Ja3L+HSX0kI@public.gmane.org> References: <47D67CB8.6090708@rogers.com> <8a93d74fbb3044913d5ebf77f6d2caaf@vex.net> Message-ID: <3a97ef0803110631g568a8801uf1b9c884f2c2ea4d@mail.gmail.com> It's also funny when I think of the several large institutions I've worked at or attended, that in years not long past, would have considered a few hundred gigs a generous amount of storage (for their entire userbase). Nowadays I know people who actually do use several Terabytes in just personal storage. One friend of mine has his whole movie collection (legitimately purchased) re-archived from DVD to a network-accessible storage system which is accessible through his media-server. For many people I know, the ease of X-box modification into a media-centre made the desirability of massive amounts of storage suddenly desirable. I wonder what we'll be fitting onto our Petabyte arrays sometime in the not-too-far future... Still, I feel sorry for those that buy a singular huge drive and then have it go poof all with their data (I'm looking at *you* Maxtor). At least with most my collector-friends they're smart enough to RAID the drives, so I suppose that in reality those 3 TB drives are only storing about 1.5GB or so when using RAID-5 etc. On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 8:54 AM, sciguy wrote: > > It boggles the mind that it would take a hundred thousand 10 meg drives to > have the same storage as a 1TB drive. The day was not too far off when the > prospect of owning a TB of storage was almost inconceivable. And now, > they're even falling in price. 100GB drives are now considered small (or at > least middling), which is still 10,000x the capacity of a 10 MB drive. > > I think if I add up all my drives in the house, I may have just over 1.5 > TB. > > Paul > > > > On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:36:08 -0400, Stephen wrote: > > I picked up an external one at Future Shop for 229 plus taxes. > > > > I was thinking about a terabyte compared to the 10 meg drives in the IBM > > XT. > > > > Five zeros difference! > > > > Stephen > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 11 18:31:18 2008 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:31:18 -0500 Subject: network monitoring Message-ID: <47D6CFF6.1090109@gmail.com> i am looking for something to record bandwidth/ip/time/websites/ per IP to mysql for all devices on a subnet. TIA /teddy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 11 19:41:17 2008 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:41:17 -0500 Subject: FreeNAS 0.686.2 stable out Message-ID: <47D6E05D.8020302@gmail.com> oh freenas gods, forgive me and let me return my data to the utopia that is freenas :) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 11 21:08:39 2008 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:08:39 -0500 Subject: DLI-Web Power Switch Message-ID: <47D6F4D7.5070507@gmail.com> http://www.digital-loggers.com/dli.products.html http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html I thought the Web Power Switch was a pretty good price at 109 US. At some datacentres' two reboots and it will pay for itself. You could even have it at home and power cycle the hardware. /teddy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 12 01:26:11 2008 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:26:11 -0400 Subject: installing fung-calc on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1204259869.11590.22.camel@aragorn> References: <1204259869.11590.22.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: <200803112126.11095.amarjan@pobox.com> On February 28, 2008 11:37:49 pm Paul King wrote: > I have a little problem with compiling the fung-calc source. Fung-calc > is an online open-source graphing calculator. > > I do a ./configure, and I get the following message after it runs > autoconf: > > checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and > libraries) not found. Please check your installation! > For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. > > Let it be said that I have Ubuntu recently recommended an update which I > followed, regarding installing version 4 and version 4 of the "dev" > package. There are files present under /usr/lib/Qt, and /usr/include/Qt > also. So you have libqt4-dev installed, but do you have libqt3-mt-dev installed? fung-calc seems to require Qt3 (and optionally KDE3), which means it won't work with Qt4. From your email you seem to have Qt4 development package installed and Qt3 sourced untarred in /usr/local/src, but not built or installed. Try installing the Qt3 development package and see if that helps. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 12 16:38:44 2008 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:38:44 -0500 Subject: bookmark management Message-ID: <47D80714.5080607@gmail.com> I have been trying to consolidate my bookmarks on my computers in different locations. I have found the Firefox addon called FoxMarks. However I would imagine there are a number of open source bookmark management systems out there. Does anyone have recommendations on a opensource bookmark management system? btw, After a while I stopped adding bookmarks...since the list on various computers was a mile long then I had the wonderful idea of emailing new urls to my email account then i decided there has to be a better way -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From spamstinksmmmkay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 12 16:04:48 2008 From: spamstinksmmmkay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (R.T.) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:04:48 -0400 Subject: bookmark management In-Reply-To: <47D80714.5080607-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47D80714.5080607@gmail.com> Message-ID: Give social bookmarking a try, using something like http://del.icio.us/ or http://ma.gnolia.com/ . While not necessarily "open source", they are "open enough" to provide pretty much every desirable feature, such as rss/json/html/http-auth data access, browser plugins, extensive tag management, and interesting third party tools like "dead bookmark checkers" ( http://del.icio.us/help/thirdpartytools ). Definitely a cure for the useless mile long list :) On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:38 PM, teddy mills wrote: > I have been trying to consolidate my bookmarks on my computers in > different locations. > I have found the Firefox addon called FoxMarks. > However I would imagine there are a number of open source bookmark > management systems out there. > > Does anyone have recommendations on a opensource bookmark management system? > > btw, > After a while I stopped adding bookmarks...since the list on various > computers was a mile long > then I had the wonderful idea of emailing new urls to my email account > then i decided there has to be a better way > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 12 16:08:39 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:08:39 +0000 Subject: bookmark management In-Reply-To: <47D80714.5080607-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47D80714.5080607@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 4:38 PM, teddy mills wrote: > I have been trying to consolidate my bookmarks on my computers in > different locations. > I have found the Firefox addon called FoxMarks. > However I would imagine there are a number of open source bookmark > management systems out there. > > Does anyone have recommendations on a opensource bookmark management system? > > btw, > After a while I stopped adding bookmarks...since the list on various > computers was a mile long > then I had the wonderful idea of emailing new urls to my email account > then i decided there has to be a better way The direction I have gone has been the "collaborative scheme," specifically using del.icio.us... Thus, I generally have a widget that will "push" each bookmark out to this 'web service.' I can access that list of bookmarks, including via the makers' tagging scheme, essentially from anywhere. Anywhere that I'm commonly browsing from, I set up a little bit of config to add in the aforementioned "widget." The "collaborative" side provides at least a little value; if others have recorded the same URL, a list of commonly used tags is provided to me, so that I may be able to handle classification more simply. That isn't a particularly 'open source' answer; it's a service available gratis from Yahoo! If OSS truly is important, then you might look into "markaboo" () which is evidently similar in functionality, but the software (apparently written using Ruby on Rails) is available. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 12 16:10:08 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:10:08 -0400 Subject: bookmark management In-Reply-To: <47D80714.5080607-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47D80714.5080607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D80060.9050005@telly.org> teddy mills wrote: > I have been trying to consolidate my bookmarks on my computers in > different locations. > I have found the Firefox addon called FoxMarks. > However I would imagine there are a number of open source bookmark > management systems out there. I'm not sure why you wouldn't use Foxmarks. It did exactly what you ask for. I've been very happy with it. I have no idea whether or not Foxmarks uses open source within its own servers. - EVan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 12 23:16:24 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:16:24 -0400 Subject: bookmark management In-Reply-To: <47D80060.9050005-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47D80714.5080607@gmail.com> <47D80060.9050005@telly.org> Message-ID: <32f6a8880803121616u33c9938aj190b99410a369ccb@mail.gmail.com> Hi Teddy, I use Google Book Marks with the Gmarks firefox plugin. I don't think its Open Source but it works great for me. On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > teddy mills wrote: > > I have been trying to consolidate my bookmarks on my computers in > > different locations. > > I have found the Firefox addon called FoxMarks. > > However I would imagine there are a number of open source bookmark > > management systems out there. > I'm not sure why you wouldn't use Foxmarks. It did exactly what you ask for. > I've been very happy with it. > I have no idea whether or not Foxmarks uses open source within its own > servers. > > - EVan > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The man who is always a newbie at something, Dave Germiquet Everytime I learn something new, I realize I know very little. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 01:28:33 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years Message-ID: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> It's my impression that many aspects of the Linux Installation Experience have become much more pleasant over the years. For example: no more manual partitioning or formatting! Network recognized instantly! Package management at the touch of a button! (Almost) No configuring video cards! No tweaking X-Window!* The one thing that doesn't seem to have changed is printer installation. My Suse 9.2 printer installation was a nightmare and Ubuntu 7.1 seems much the same. (In both cases the Samsung printer had to be spoofed as a Laserjet to ork.) So, is printer really difficult or am I missing something? Would someone like to give a TLUG tutorial evening on the different ways of connecting and driving printers? Now please excuse me while I take this giant pile of printer paper, generated during a printer debugging session, to the recycling. Peter * Nice that we don't have to feed 32 floppy disks into the machine any more, as well. Anyone here remember that? -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 01:41:35 2008 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:41:35 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <200803122141.36451.glayng@sympatico.ca> I agree, I mean you should learn something from your experience. Back when I started on Linux about four years or so ago, I bought a new printer. I plugged the thing in, turned it on, and CUPS said, "Hey, you've got an HP 1300!! Do you want to make this default, and do you want to print a test page?" Yes, and yes. The best way to learn how something works is when something goes wrong. Nothing went wrong, so what did I learn? Nothing!! I already knew how to attach the cables between computer and printer. Heck, I had more problems setting it up in Windows - needed to use the installation disk. In Windows, at least I had the challenge of starting the install shield program when it didn't want to auto start. Maybe the problem is the distribution I'm using, Mandriva? Maybe I should have selected a Samsung instead of a Hewlett-Packard? On Wednesday 12 March 2008 21:28, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > It's my impression that many aspects of the Linux Installation Experience > have become much more pleasant over the years. For example: no more manual > partitioning or formatting! Network recognized instantly! Package > management at the touch of a button! (Almost) No configuring video cards! > No tweaking X-Window!* > > The one thing that doesn't seem to have changed is printer installation. > My Suse 9.2 printer installation was a nightmare and Ubuntu 7.1 seems much > the same. (In both cases the Samsung printer had to be spoofed as a > Laserjet to ork.) > > So, is printer really difficult or am I missing something? Would someone > like to give a TLUG tutorial evening on the different ways of connecting > and driving printers? > > Now please excuse me while I take this giant pile of printer paper, > generated during a printer debugging session, to the recycling. > > Peter > > * Nice that we don't have to feed 32 floppy disks into the machine any > more, as well. Anyone here remember that? -- there's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 02:34:08 2008 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:34:08 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <47D892A0.6040001@utoronto.ca> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > It's my impression that many aspects of the Linux Installation Experience > have become much more pleasant over the years. For example: no more manual > partitioning or formatting! Network recognized instantly! Package > management at the touch of a button! (Almost) No configuring video cards! > No tweaking X-Window!* > > The one thing that doesn't seem to have changed is printer installation. > My Suse 9.2 printer installation was a nightmare and Ubuntu 7.1 seems much > the same. (In both cases the Samsung printer had to be spoofed as a > Laserjet to ork.) > > So, is printer really difficult or am I missing something? Would someone > like to give a TLUG tutorial evening on the different ways of connecting > and driving printers? > I have to say that I'm surprised by this! I've had very little trouble setting up printers under Linux in the last 2 years in particular. It's possible that I've been lucky with my printer choices (mostly HP) but most every time has been even more plug'n'play than Windows ever was. Heck, Ubuntu 7.10 even picked up my network printers for me automatically which I've never seen Windows or Mac do. > * Nice that we don't have to feed 32 floppy disks into the machine any > more, as well. Anyone here remember that? > Sadly, yes. I also remember spending hours watching them download over a 1200 baud modem! Marcus -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 02:59:00 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <200803122141.36451.glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122141.36451.glayng@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <33262.72.141.149.78.1205377140.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Maybe the problem is the distribution I'm using, Mandriva? Maybe I should > have selected a Samsung instead of a Hewlett-Packard? I hear that Mandriva has a good printer setup system. These problems may have something to do with Samsung: as far as I could tell their original Linux driver did not work under Suse. They have a new one, but that doesn't work with Ubuntu. On the other hand, the Samsung laser printer hardware seems very nice in all other respects. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 03:07:27 2008 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:07:27 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <33262.72.141.149.78.1205377140.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122141.36451.glayng@sympatico.ca> <33262.72.141.149.78.1205377140.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <200803122307.28286.glayng@sympatico.ca> I'm glad you didn't take my tongue-in-cheek posting the wrong way. I must confess before I selected the printer, I went to www.linuxprinters.org, which has a superb database indicating how well different printers work in Linux. It also has drivers. So the printer I selected was one that had a "no problems" review. On Wednesday 12 March 2008 22:59, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Maybe the problem is the distribution I'm using, Mandriva? Maybe I > > should have selected a Samsung instead of a Hewlett-Packard? > > I hear that Mandriva has a good printer setup system. > > These problems may have something to do with Samsung: as far as I could > tell their original Linux driver did not work under Suse. They have a new > one, but that doesn't work with Ubuntu. > > On the other hand, the Samsung laser printer hardware seems very nice in > all other respects. -- there's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 03:20:34 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <200803122307.28286.glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122141.36451.glayng@sympatico.ca> <33262.72.141.149.78.1205377140.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122307.28286.glayng@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <47804.72.141.149.78.1205378434.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> www.linuxprinters.org appears not to exist. However, this looks very useful. http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting They suggest using the Laserjet driver, which is what I found by trial and much error. Much useful troubleshooting information, too. OK I'm ready for the next round ;). P. > I'm glad you didn't take my tongue-in-cheek posting the wrong way. > > I must confess before I selected the printer, I went to > www.linuxprinters.org, > which has a superb database indicating how well different printers work in > Linux. It also has drivers. > > So the printer I selected was one that had a "no problems" review. > > On Wednesday 12 March 2008 22:59, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >> > Maybe the problem is the distribution I'm using, Mandriva? Maybe I >> > should have selected a Samsung instead of a Hewlett-Packard? >> >> I hear that Mandriva has a good printer setup system. >> >> These problems may have something to do with Samsung: as far as I could >> tell their original Linux driver did not work under Suse. They have a >> new >> one, but that doesn't work with Ubuntu. >> >> On the other hand, the Samsung laser printer hardware seems very nice in >> all other respects. > > -- > there's no place like 127.0.0.1 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 03:35:42 2008 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:35:42 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <47804.72.141.149.78.1205378434.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122307.28286.glayng@sympatico.ca> <47804.72.141.149.78.1205378434.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <200803122335.42377.glayng@sympatico.ca> That used to be linuxprinters.org. If you google "linux printer" you will see that domain. The Google link takes you to the Linux Foundations open printing page. On Wednesday 12 March 2008 23:20, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > www.linuxprinters.org appears not to exist. However, this looks very > useful. > > http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting > > They suggest using the Laserjet driver, which is what I found by trial and > much error. > > Much useful troubleshooting information, too. OK I'm ready for the next > round ;). > > P. > > > I'm glad you didn't take my tongue-in-cheek posting the wrong way. > > > > I must confess before I selected the printer, I went to > > www.linuxprinters.org, > > which has a superb database indicating how well different printers work > > in Linux. It also has drivers. > > > > So the printer I selected was one that had a "no problems" review. > > > > On Wednesday 12 March 2008 22:59, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> > Maybe the problem is the distribution I'm using, Mandriva? Maybe I > >> > should have selected a Samsung instead of a Hewlett-Packard? > >> > >> I hear that Mandriva has a good printer setup system. > >> > >> These problems may have something to do with Samsung: as far as I could > >> tell their original Linux driver did not work under Suse. They have a > >> new > >> one, but that doesn't work with Ubuntu. > >> > >> On the other hand, the Samsung laser printer hardware seems very nice in > >> all other respects. > > > > -- > > there's no place like 127.0.0.1 > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- there's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 05:20:18 2008 From: tlug-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slackrat) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:20:18 +0100 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org's message of "Wed\, 12 Mar 2008 21\:28\:33 -0400 \(EDT\)") References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <87bq5j9p4d.fsf@azurservers.com> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org a ?crit profondement: | | * Nice that we don't have to feed 32 floppy disks into the machine any | more, as well. Anyone here remember that? | It was only 27 with Slackware -- SlackRat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 13:01:16 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:01:16 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20080313130116.GA22978@watson-wilson.ca> I find printing to be one of the weakest services on a Linux host. When I bought my printer in 1999 I specifically made sure it was a postscript printer so that driver problems would not affect me. While my printer still works today I have not been exempt from a host of printing problems, using multiple distributions, over the years. After software upgrades printing would stop working. Reinstalling several packages fixed the problem but a root cause was never found. The device permissions for the parallel port would change and normal users were denied access. To this day I cannot print text from the command line without suffering the classic staggering effect. -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 13:16:02 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <87bq5j9p4d.fsf-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <87bq5j9p4d.fsf@azurservers.com> Message-ID: <48020.72.141.149.78.1205414162.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > | * Nice that we don't have to feed 32 floppy disks into the machine any > | more, as well. Anyone here remember that? > | > > It was only 27 with Slackware > > -- > SlackRat Weren't there a bunch more for X-Window(s)?. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 13:23:32 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:23:32 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <20080313130116.GA22978-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20080313130116.GA22978@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0803130623p21e48b18k91933e8ef5d90325@mail.gmail.com> Part of the issues I find (Debian user, seems to apply to the derivatives such as Ubuntu as well) are related to there being so many individual printing packages, and not great dependency management. For example, I just picked up an HP Laserjet 1018, and was setting it up on my desktop. At first there weren't many drivers, so I installed the usual gimp-print/gutenprint packages, etc. An appropriate driver showed up, but it didn't do anything. Checking the logs, it was erroring out running one of the print modules. So I investigated further, and discovered I needed the Foo2zjs package, which wasn't installed. *WHY* the heck would you add a printer option to the list of printers all the necessary drivers aren't there. Make it a damn dependency, or put it in a separate but easily-recognizable package. Anyhow, after that, the printer worked just fine on my desktop machine. Now I'm trying to get it to work on my LAN-server (so I can print from any machine on th network, and guests can too), with all the drivers present, and it just doesn't go. According to CUPS, the print job went through, but... nada. I'm *still* fighting with that, but it appears to be errors relating to USBLP. I'm getting weird errors like: drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: removed usb 1-4: usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd hpiod rqt 161 rq 1 len 1 ret -110 I don't think the USB bus is broken though because my other HP print (photosmart) and my webcam, etc all work fine there. I'm currently looking at upgrading the kernel in case it's a bug with 2.6.22, but at the moment I use linux-vserver which doesn't seem to have a patch for the current 2.6.24 series. So, long story short... printers are still often a royal *PAIN IN THE BUTT* with linux. Sometimes they work great, and CUPS is a dream, other times it's just a huge headache that I don't work upon anyone else... End of Rant. :-) On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Neil Watson wrote: > I find printing to be one of the weakest services on a Linux host. When > I bought my printer in 1999 I specifically made sure it was a > postscript printer so that driver problems would not affect me. While > my printer still works today I have not been exempt from a host of > printing problems, using multiple distributions, over the years. > > After software upgrades printing would stop working. Reinstalling > several packages fixed the problem but a root cause was never found. > The device permissions for the parallel port would change and normal > users were denied access. To this day I cannot print text from the > command line without suffering the classic staggering effect. > > -- > Neil Watson > System Administrator for hire > http://watson-wilson.ca > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 15:11:05 2008 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:11:05 -0400 Subject: bookmark management In-Reply-To: <47D80714.5080607-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47D80714.5080607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803131111.05722.mervc@eol.ca> On Wednesday 12 March 2008 12:38, teddy mills wrote: > I have been trying to consolidate my bookmarks on my computers in > different locations. > I have found the Firefox addon called FoxMarks. > However I would imagine there are a number of open source bookmark > management systems out there. > I have found it to be a good service for my several home computers. Whats not to like about it? -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Debian Sid Linux Desktop KDE 3.5.7 KMail 1.9.5 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From paul-fQIO8zZcxYtFkWKT+BUv2w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 16:21:42 2008 From: paul-fQIO8zZcxYtFkWKT+BUv2w at public.gmane.org (Paul Nash) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:21:42 -0400 Subject: Porting Windows -> Linux (tools/libraries) Message-ID: <3434C2F3-EC6B-465A-B3EF-6E6426060953@nashnetworks.ca> I have recently done a couple of large porting jobs from Windows to Linux, and as part of the process have built up partial libraries to emulate bits of the win32 API on Linux, such as the crypto API, MSSQL (using MySQL instead), MS-XML (libxml2) and winsock (yetch). These libraries currently contain enough code (functions emulated, options supported) to support these specific projects (between 20% and 80% of the MS functionality). I am considering completing them as a general-purpose tool for others to use (for money :-)), but don't want to waste my time if there is no interest. So, if anyone here would have a use for such libraries, or can think of anyone who might, or knows of other forums to ask, please let me know. paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 17:08:27 2008 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:08:27 -0400 Subject: Porting Windows -> Linux (tools/libraries) In-Reply-To: <3434C2F3-EC6B-465A-B3EF-6E6426060953-fQIO8zZcxYtFkWKT+BUv2w@public.gmane.org> References: <3434C2F3-EC6B-465A-B3EF-6E6426060953@nashnetworks.ca> Message-ID: <47D95F8B.5010507@ve3syb.ca> Paul Nash wrote: > I have recently done a couple of large porting jobs from Windows to > Linux, and as part of the process have built up partial libraries to > emulate bits of the win32 API on Linux [snip] > I am considering completing them as a general-purpose tool for others to > use (for money :-)), but don't want to waste my time if there is no > interest. You should contact the people working on the WINE project and see if they could make use of what you have. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 20:12:33 2008 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:12:33 -0400 Subject: OT: I'm on Acanac and I'm getting 5Mbps. Message-ID: <47D98AB1.9070408@utoronto.ca> Well I just installed my DSL Modem from Acanac. Since I have a router here and the Modem was running web configuration software. I switched the router's address to 192.168.1.2 and accessed the DSL Modem through a regular LAN port at 192.168.1.1. On the DSL's page I switched the DSL Modem to unmanaged, plugged it into the WAN port and configured my router to use PPPOE. BTW, on some of Sympatico's modems this is called bridge mode. Right now I'm downloading a SUSE DVD image and I'm getting 511 KBps. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 20:30:38 2008 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:30:38 -0400 Subject: OT: I'm on Acanac and I'm getting 5Mbps. In-Reply-To: <47D98AB1.9070408-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <47D98AB1.9070408@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <47D98EEE.7000709@utoronto.ca> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Well I just installed my DSL Modem from Acanac. Since I have a router > here and the Modem was running web configuration software. I switched > the router's address to 192.168.1.2 and accessed the DSL Modem through a > regular LAN port at 192.168.1.1. On the DSL's page I switched the DSL > Modem to unmanaged, plugged it into the WAN port and configured my > router to use PPPOE. > > BTW, on some of Sympatico's modems this is called bridge mode. > > Right now I'm downloading a SUSE DVD image and I'm getting 511 KBps. > I forgot to add that the price was about $277 which includes a $50 deposit for the DSL Modem and 12 months unlimited 5Mbps service at 18.95 a month. Regular price is $33.95 a month which kicks in after the 12 months which I missed. Well in 11 months time I'll reevaluate my options. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 20:52:19 2008 From: dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org (David C. Chipman) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:52:19 -0400 Subject: Per-User X Windows System Screen Resolution Configuration Message-ID: <20080313165219.1adb287e@david.chipman> Hi all, Does anybody know of a way to have the screen resolution settings for X Windows change with a given user login? Thanks, -David Chipman -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 00:11:01 2008 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ASUS EEE with 8.9 inch screen at Cebit 2008 In-Reply-To: <20080304150728.GI1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080304015621.GA15462@waltdnes.org> <47CCAD99.4040505@alteeve.com> <20080303211703.d737e0aa.tleslie@tcn.net> <20080304150728.GI1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Dear All, I have a couple of colleagues who bought the Asus EE but are otherwise new to linux. (BTW, Seems Asus is doing a lot to spread linux, at least at my office). Anyway, they want to add software and update their systems. Before I give them the wrong advice and turn them off linux, I just wanted to double check that the pre-installed version of (I think) xandos + EE customization can be safely updated by apt-get? Can any one confirm this? I'm particularly worried about the EE customization part. Thanks very much. Alex On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 09:17:03PM -0500, ted leslie wrote: >> http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3523905&body=MAIN#detailspecs >> >> i love the Eee i just got to , at 400$ >> I got some tiger direct junk mail today and checked it out, >> and , well for 200$ more ... that lenovo just blows the Eee away, >> but maybe its a limited lost leader sale. >> >> I think the Eee is more durable, but i am having real difficultly with the keyboard, >> i type fast and it simply doesn't seem to capture all my strokes on it. >> >> I was thinking of getting a 2nd Eee for my wife, as she like the Eee i just bought, >> but the lenovo for 600$ ... its going to be very hard to pass up. > > Somehow comparing a 15.4" standard laptop against an ultra portable with > everything squished into almost no space just isn't fair. The Eee is > much smaller and easier to carry in your bag with you at all times, > unlike a giant laptop like that (and 15.4" laptops are giant, now that > my wife switched to the 13" tablet. :) The Eee is also solid state disk > rather than a harddrive which makes it more durable (and a lot smaller > in disk space). Hard to compare though. A 16GB solid state disk can > cost $500 which would already make the laptop cost a lot more given the > disk it comes with is close to $100. I guess the 4GB in the Eee is > probably ssimilar in cost to the 160GB drive if you bought it > seperately (Asus likely pays a lot less). > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 10:38:59 2008 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:38:59 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <200803140638.59921.dbmacg@look.ca> Which Samsung printer are you having troubles with? -- Duncan MacGregor --- Toronto --- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 13:17:30 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful In-Reply-To: <200803140638.59921.dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803140638.59921.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: <51790.72.141.149.78.1205500650.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Which Samsung printer are you having troubles with? > It's a monochrome laser model, the ML-2250. I have gotten it to print a couple of test pages correctly but then it goes off into the weeds again, dumping out pages of gibberish. Perhaps the ghostscript interpreter is somehow getting removed and the thing is getting raw postscript commands to print. One option I suppose is to put the Samsung postscript interpreter chip in the machine, turning it into a postscript printer. But that option not cheap and it eliminates the flexibility one gets with software-based ghostscript. I'm going to have another round with it today and if there is no progress I may have to hire someone who knows their way around this stuff... -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 14:35:46 2008 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:35:46 -0400 Subject: MS office & Open office compatibility issue In-Reply-To: <200803100938.34746.hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20080310093141.46ba9a60.hgibson@eol.ca> <200803100938.34746.hdevalence@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080314103546.7bcaeab8.hgibson@eol.ca> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:38:34 -0400 Henry de Valence wrote: > In my opinion, LaTeX is much easier to use than MS Word or OOo or > KWord for KDE3. You just type your text and it does all the formatting for > you. It's just that the command line is a bit intimidating to some. I'm sure > there are good LaTeX gui programs out there though. Henry, I use LaTeX too, when I get a chance, but very few other people do. When I am part of a work group, Microsoft Word is the lingua franca. A big problem with Open Office is that it copied its stylesheet's functionality from Microsoft Word. If you ever get a chance to try ApplixWare, do so. The style sheet is user friendly, and very clear about what it is doing. This product appears to be back on the market. The review by Bruce Byfield is rather negative, however, I am pretty sure ApplixWare supports master documents. I am less sure about the Motif GUI and the lack of anti-aliased fonts. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 14:54:43 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:54:43 -0400 Subject: Boot Problem after Crash In-Reply-To: <47D1C1EC.3010303-HInyCGIudOg@public.gmane.org> References: <47D17DC6.7050600@acm.org> <3a97ef0803071418t59ca43e1j14007dbce839021e@mail.gmail.com> <47D1C1EC.3010303@acm.org> Message-ID: <20080314145443.GU1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 06:30:04PM -0400, Tony Abou-Assaleh wrote: > Here is the item from my menu.lst from grub that I've been using: > > title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic, UUID root > root (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic \ > root=UUID=28fd2317-9996-4c22-8e16-32e3e7c5c393 ro quiet > splash > initrd /initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic > quiet > savedefault > > Previously, it was: > > title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic > root (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic \ > root=/dev/mapper/raid250-root ro quiet splash > initrd /initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic > quiet > savedefault > > Both give the same result. I added \ to indicate long lines, they're one > liners in the file. You weren't by any chance trying to use one of those fakeraid onboard raid controllers along with dmraid were you? I have never seen /dev/mapper/raid250-root before, only ever when using LVM stuff. If it is just LVM then I am really puzzeld as to what it's issue is. Of course it would be much simpler if you could capture the console output during the boot that fails since it usually gives useful clues as to why it can't load certain drivers or can't find certain devices. The most likely problem is that your initrd is rather minimal and didn't include drivers for the other system you moved the drives to. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 14:56:04 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:56:04 -0400 Subject: Boot Problem after Crash In-Reply-To: <47D4B663.1030002-HInyCGIudOg@public.gmane.org> References: <47D17DC6.7050600@acm.org> <20080307175143.GP1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47D1ABF5.8060807@acm.org> <20080307214600.GS1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47D217B5.90404@acm.org> <47D4B663.1030002@acm.org> Message-ID: <20080314145603.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 01:17:39AM -0300, Tony Abou-Assaleh wrote: > After spending hours and hours reading the forums, I found one posting > where a similar problem was solved by installing lvm2. For me, lvm2 was > already installed but generating new initrd files and even installing > new kernels only made things worse. However, after reading this post, I > tried the following command from a rescue chrooted shell: > > -- > # dpkg-reconfigure lvm2 > Backing up any LVM2 metadata that may exist...done. > update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-386 > -- > > I tried rebooting with this new initrd and boom! Problem solved. > > Thanks for your assistance Lennart and Tyler, it helped me look in the > right direction. So the initrd did have some problem then. Odd but at least it was fixed. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 15:01:25 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:01:25 -0400 Subject: Sympatico SMTP server's SASL authentication failure In-Reply-To: References: <20080306175131.GP32111@np305c2n2.ms.com> Message-ID: <20080314150125.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 06:43:19PM -0400, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > Solved. Apparently the Hotmail (which provide Sympatico e-mail > service)'s SMTP server misbehaved (a Microsoft server > misbehaved? Really?), but I managed set postfix to get around it > by tell postfix not to use "login" mechanism in SASL, using this > configuration: > smtp_sasl_mechanism_filter=!login, static:rest > > Well, another reason not to use Sympatico. I would already move > away from Sympatico if I am not worry about being put into > second tier by Bell when Bell has network issues. As far as I can tell Sympatico users have it worse when there are problems since the tech support for sympatico seems to have no clue or access to actual technical people that know what is going on, while smaller ISPs have access to their own tech people that have access to the Bell tech people and hence they might actually tell you what the real problem is, rather than having you click the start button again and reboot again for the 5th time. And you get to pay less money per month at the same time, and deal with real mail servers, real tech support people, and maybe even get static IPs and such. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 15:05:37 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:05:37 -0400 Subject: Top-level directories in UBUNTU In-Reply-To: <1205191264.7086.12.camel@aragorn> References: <1205191264.7086.12.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: <20080314150537.GX1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 07:21:04PM -0400, Paul King wrote: > Anyone know what the top-level directories are supposed to look like > under Ubuntu 7.*? This is the output of my "ls -F: command: > > bin/ dev/ initrd/ lib/ opt/ sbin/ usr/ vmlinuz.old@ > boot/ etc/ initrd.img@ media/ proc/ sys/ var/ > cdrom@ home/ initrd.img.old@ mnt/ root/ tmp/ vmlinuz@ > > Anything strange here? To me, I am wondering why there are in effect > two /proc directories (namely /proc and /sys)? initrd* should be > under /boot, shouldn't it? Any comments? Where can I find the changes > Ubuntu has made to the file system standard? /proc and /sys are totally different. /sys is a new 2.6 kernel thing, while /proc is a much older invention. In general /proc is very disorganized, stuff has gone everywhere and not very consistently. A lot was meant to be human readable making it not that useful in general. /sys on the other hand is very organized, things are meant to be machine readable (although often human readable too), but usefulness and predictability seems to be the primary force driving /sys. /proc isn't going away anytime soon, but new stuff generally only ends up in /sys, while old stuff slowly migrates over. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 15:07:07 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:07:07 -0400 Subject: share published printer FC4? In-Reply-To: <47D5C667.1040405-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47C2BDFC.9070507@chrisaitken.net> <20080225151510.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C30DA7.2080207@chrisaitken.net> <20080225184626.GA1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47D5C667.1040405@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080314150707.GY1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 06:38:15PM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > Shouldn't these lines ensure access to the printer from remote machines? > I commented out Deny From All and added Allow All... > > > Order Deny,Allow > #Deny From All > Allow All > Allow From 127.0.0.1 > AuthType None > I don't remember. I think it is 3 or 4 years since I last dealt with a version of cups that required doing this stuff. It's seriously time you upgraded that system. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 15:10:40 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:10:40 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20080314151040.GZ1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 09:28:33PM -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > It's my impression that many aspects of the Linux Installation Experience > have become much more pleasant over the years. For example: no more manual > partitioning or formatting! Network recognized instantly! Package > management at the touch of a button! (Almost) No configuring video cards! > No tweaking X-Window!* > > The one thing that doesn't seem to have changed is printer installation. > My Suse 9.2 printer installation was a nightmare and Ubuntu 7.1 seems much > the same. (In both cases the Samsung printer had to be spoofed as a > Laserjet to ork.) So don't use crappy unsupported hardware. > So, is printer really difficult or am I missing something? Would someone > like to give a TLUG tutorial evening on the different ways of connecting > and driving printers? > > Now please excuse me while I take this giant pile of printer paper, > generated during a printer debugging session, to the recycling. Installing my printer under Debian was in fact less work than for my wife installing it under windows (and the printer came with a driver for windows). It autodetected the printer type by USB identification, and all I had to do was click OK, and give it a name. Once that was done, the other linux systems on the network saw it too with no extra work involved. Good luck with that part on windows (Mac OS X works the same was as Linux which is just awesome). In my case I run debian unstable (so very up to date at all times) and the printer is an Epson R260. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 15:21:55 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:21:55 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful In-Reply-To: <51790.72.141.149.78.1205500650.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803140638.59921.dbmacg@look.ca> <51790.72.141.149.78.1205500650.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20080314152155.GA1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 09:17:30AM -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > It's a monochrome laser model, the ML-2250. I have gotten it to print a > couple of test pages correctly but then it goes off into the weeds again, > dumping out pages of gibberish. Perhaps the ghostscript interpreter is > somehow getting removed and the thing is getting raw postscript commands > to print. > > One option I suppose is to put the Samsung postscript interpreter chip in > the machine, turning it into a postscript printer. But that option not > cheap and it eliminates the flexibility one gets with software-based > ghostscript. A real postscript printer has always seemed like the best bet. Ghostscript has had many bugs, and until recently their track record of actually fixing bugs has been subpar in many cases (It took me 18 months of nagging to get a bug fix into ghostscript, after one of the developers had given me the patch to fix it. He forgot to check it in.) Of course postscript requires a print engine, which many cheap printers don't even have (they don't actually support any print languages, nevermind postscript). You can buy nice colour laser printers with postscript for about $500 though, so really if you consider time and hassle worth anything, then those $200 laser printers are really not worth it in the long run (the $500 printer uses cheaper toner too). > I'm going to have another round with it today and if there is no progress > I may have to hire someone who knows their way around this stuff... I decided a long time ago that it was never worth buying cheap hardware. I also learned it isn't worth buying stuff you aren't sure will work perfectly. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 15:27:05 2008 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Top-level directories in UBUNTU In-Reply-To: <20080314150537.GX1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1205191264.7086.12.camel@aragorn> <20080314150537.GX1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 07:21:04PM -0400, Paul King wrote: > > Anyone know what the top-level directories are supposed to look like > > under Ubuntu 7.*? This is the output of my "ls -F: command: > > > > bin/ dev/ initrd/ lib/ opt/ sbin/ usr/ vmlinuz.old@ > > boot/ etc/ initrd.img@ media/ proc/ sys/ var/ > > cdrom@ home/ initrd.img.old@ mnt/ root/ tmp/ vmlinuz@ > > > > Anything strange here? To me, I am wondering why there are in effect > > two /proc directories (namely /proc and /sys)? initrd* should be > > under /boot, shouldn't it? Any comments? Where can I find the changes > > Ubuntu has made to the file system standard? > > /proc and /sys are totally different. /sys is a new 2.6 kernel thing, > while /proc is a much older invention. In general /proc is very > disorganized, stuff has gone everywhere and not very consistently. A > lot was meant to be human readable making it not that useful in general. > /sys on the other hand is very organized, things are meant to be machine > readable (although often human readable too), but usefulness and > predictability seems to be the primary force driving /sys. /sys is also supposed to represent the hierarchical layout of the system devices as well, for the purposes of things like proper shutdown. /proc has no such structure. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 15:27:17 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:27:17 -0400 Subject: Porting Windows -> Linux (tools/libraries) In-Reply-To: <3434C2F3-EC6B-465A-B3EF-6E6426060953-fQIO8zZcxYtFkWKT+BUv2w@public.gmane.org> References: <3434C2F3-EC6B-465A-B3EF-6E6426060953@nashnetworks.ca> Message-ID: <20080314152717.GB1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:21:42PM -0400, Paul Nash wrote: > I have recently done a couple of large porting jobs from Windows to > Linux, and as part of the process have built up partial libraries to > emulate bits of the win32 API on Linux, such as the crypto API, MSSQL > (using MySQL instead), MS-XML (libxml2) and winsock (yetch). These > libraries currently contain enough code (functions emulated, options > supported) to support these specific projects (between 20% and 80% of > the MS functionality). > > I am considering completing them as a general-purpose tool for others > to use (for money :-)), but don't want to waste my time if there is no > interest. So, if anyone here would have a use for such libraries, or > can think of anyone who might, or knows of other forums to ask, please > let me know. Commercial companies have already done such things in the past. Just look at IE for Solaris and the like. That's how they were done. The idea overall is absolutely horrid and not the way to make quality software. Replace the UI with SDL or similar which is a cross platform library, and avoid using microsoft's proprietary API directly in the first place. SDL is also much easier to use than microsoft's native API so you get to have a nice interface that hides some of the stupidness from you, and you get the bonus of software that will compile and run on Mac, Linux, Windows, and most unix systems. Hasn't the wine project already done more than you so far anyhow? Couldn't you have used that? Basically use SDL instead of DirectX or MFC and the like. use ODBC if you want, it does work on linux as well, and seems to support a whole lot of different databases quite well. I believe SDL covers network stuff too, so forget winsock. As for XML, well I am not sure why anyone uses that in the first place. If you want your code to run on stuff that isn't windows ever at any point in the future, then don't write it to the windows native API in the first place. It's just short sighted. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 15:30:45 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:30:45 -0400 Subject: Per-User X Windows System Screen Resolution Configuration In-Reply-To: <20080313165219.1adb287e-lQMCrfjKGrJ3Ex1Y5TzZUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080313165219.1adb287e@david.chipman> Message-ID: <20080314153045.GC1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 04:52:19PM -0400, David C. Chipman wrote: > Does anybody know of a way to have the screen > resolution settings for X Windows change with a given user login? Well other than the fact that for any modern monitor (LCD that is) you wouldn't want it at anything other than native resolution, so the idea has very little future interest, there is a solution: Use xrandr in your login script (.xsession or whatever) to set the resolution you want. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 15:52:30 2008 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:52:30 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful In-Reply-To: <51790.72.141.149.78.1205500650.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803140638.59921.dbmacg@look.ca> <51790.72.141.149.78.1205500650.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <47DA9F3E.3020107@dinamis.com> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >> Which Samsung printer are you having troubles with? >> > It's a monochrome laser model, the ML-2250. I have gotten it to print a > couple of test pages correctly but then it goes off into the weeds again, > dumping out pages of gibberish. Perhaps the ghostscript interpreter is > somehow getting removed and the thing is getting raw postscript commands > to print. > > One option I suppose is to put the Samsung postscript interpreter chip in > the machine, turning it into a postscript printer. But that option not > cheap and it eliminates the flexibility one gets with software-based > ghostscript. > > I'm going to have another round with it today and if there is no progress > I may have to hire someone who knows their way around this stuff... Used Lexmark Optra network printers are very inexpensive. They are real PostScript printers with an Ethernet port. I have never had the kind of difficulty with printing you have outlined but then I have only ever dealt with network printers, Lexmark, HP, and Xerox. My experience with Linux printing, CUPS in particular, has been that it is easier to configure than Windows printing. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 16:15:31 2008 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:15:31 -0400 Subject: Per-User X Windows System Screen Resolution Configuration In-Reply-To: <20080313165219.1adb287e-lQMCrfjKGrJ3Ex1Y5TzZUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080313165219.1adb287e@david.chipman> Message-ID: <47DAA4A3.9020102@utoronto.ca> GNOME stores per-user resolution information which is restored when the user logs in. Just System->Preferences->Screen Resolution on recent versions. This is basically a GUI version of what Lennart suggested, as GNOME calls xrandr at login time. Marcus David C. Chipman wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anybody know of a way to have the screen > resolution settings for X Windows change with a given user login? > Thanks, > > -David Chipman > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 19:07:00 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful In-Reply-To: <47DA9F3E.3020107-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803140638.59921.dbmacg@look.ca> <51790.72.141.149.78.1205500650.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <47DA9F3E.3020107@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <52641.72.141.149.78.1205521620.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Used Lexmark Optra network printers are very inexpensive. They are real > PostScript printers with an Ethernet port. I have never had the kind of > difficulty with printing you have outlined but then I have only ever > dealt with network printers, Lexmark, HP, and Xerox. My experience with > Linux printing, CUPS in particular, has been that it is easier to > configure than Windows printing. > -- Interesting. Where would one track down a used Lexmark printer? -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 19:13:54 2008 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:13:54 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful In-Reply-To: <52641.72.141.149.78.1205521620.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803140638.59921.dbmacg@look.ca> <51790.72.141.149.78.1205500650.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <47DA9F3E.3020107@dinamis.com> <52641.72.141.149.78.1205521620.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <47DACE72.3050804@dinamis.com> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >> Used Lexmark Optra network printers are very inexpensive. They are real >> PostScript printers with an Ethernet port. I have never had the kind of >> difficulty with printing you have outlined but then I have only ever >> dealt with network printers, Lexmark, HP, and Xerox. My experience with >> Linux printing, CUPS in particular, has been that it is easier to >> configure than Windows printing. >> -- > > Interesting. Where would one track down a used Lexmark printer? I see them regularly on Craigslist.com advertised by a fellow in the Jane and Bloor area who sells networking and server equipment as well. He recently had an Optra S 1650n for under $100. That is the exact model I have and it is a workhorse. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 19:18:33 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <20080314151040.GZ1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20080314151040.GZ1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <59661.72.141.149.78.1205522313.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> >> My Suse 9.2 printer installation was a nightmare and Ubuntu 7.1 seems >> much the same. (In both cases the Samsung printer had to be spoofed as a >> Laserjet to work.) > So don't use crappy unsupported hardware. 1. Here's what the linux foundation open printing page says about Samsung: Samsung 2250 BW laser printer, works Perfectly 2. Ubuntu by puts the Samsung ML-2250 in its configuration list of printers, doesn't that imply that they support it? 3. Samsung include Linux print drivers in their distribution CD, which also implies support from Samsung. So we have the situation where some printers that do *not* supply linux drivers in fact work better than some printers that do. Go figure. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 19:18:57 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <20080314151040.GZ1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20080314151040.GZ1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <59662.72.141.149.78.1205522337.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> >> My Suse 9.2 printer installation was a nightmare and Ubuntu 7.1 seems >> much the same. (In both cases the Samsung printer had to be spoofed as a >> Laserjet to work.) > So don't use crappy unsupported hardware. 1. Here's what the linux foundation open printing page says about Samsung: Samsung 2250 BW laser printer, works Perfectly 2. Ubuntu puts the Samsung ML-2250 in its configuration list of printers, doesn't that imply that they support it? 3. Samsung include Linux print drivers in their distribution CD, which also implies support from Samsung. So we have the situation where some printers that do *not* supply linux drivers in fact work better than some printers that do. Go figure. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 19:20:50 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful In-Reply-To: <47DACE72.3050804-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803140638.59921.dbmacg@look.ca> <51790.72.141.149.78.1205500650.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <47DA9F3E.3020107@dinamis.com> <52641.72.141.149.78.1205521620.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <47DACE72.3050804@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <59683.72.141.149.78.1205522450.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> >>> Used Lexmark Optra network printers are very inexpensive. They are real >>> PostScript printers with an Ethernet port. I have never had the kind of >>> difficulty with printing you have outlined but then I have only ever >>> dealt with network printers, Lexmark, HP, and Xerox. My experience with >>> Linux printing, CUPS in particular, has been that it is easier to >>> configure than Windows printing. >>> -- >> >> Interesting. Where would one track down a used Lexmark printer? > > I see them regularly on Craigslist.com advertised by a fellow in the > Jane and Bloor area who sells networking and server equipment as well. > He recently had an Optra S 1650n for under $100. That is the exact model > I have and it is a workhorse. > Excellent. Thanks for the pointer. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 20:29:35 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Samsung printing fixed, maybe Message-ID: <43085.72.141.149.78.1205526575.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Gabriel - I found two keys to this problem: 1. Use the HP Laserjet driver, not the Samsung driver. This may have something to do with the fact that laserjet support is built into ghostscript. There is no support in ghostscript for the Samsung ML-2250. 2. Execute the magic incantation 'sudo aa-complain cupsd'. This disables some new security features in the cups software that do not work properly. Based on the traffic in the Ubuntu forums, this is a bug that affects a whole range of printers, not just my Samsung ML-2250 unit. So it's a Ubuntu bug, not a Samsung problem. Now the question: I'd like this 'sudo aa-complain cupsd' command to execute automatically. I tried putting it in .profile, where it gets executed at logon, and that doesn't work. I then put it in .bashrc, which gets executed with each new subshell (and, I guess, each new invocation of an application) and that appears to work. However, it also prompts me for a password every time I create an xterm. Any ideas on how to avoid that? Thanks... -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 20:41:53 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:41:53 -0400 Subject: Samsung printing fixed, maybe In-Reply-To: <43085.72.141.149.78.1205526575.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <43085.72.141.149.78.1205526575.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 4:29 PM, wrote: > Now the question: I'd like this 'sudo aa-complain cupsd' command to > execute automatically. I tried putting it in .profile, where it gets > executed at logon, and that doesn't work. I then put it in .bashrc, which > gets executed with each new subshell (and, I guess, each new invocation of > an application) and that appears to work. However, it also prompts me for > a password every time I create an xterm. Any ideas on how to avoid that? A script in expect could provide password. But that password would have to be sored in script and.. of course one has to learn basics of expect (which is not diffigult at all but reuires some time; I forget myself.) zb. > Thanks... > > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > http://www.syscompdesign.com > USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > 647-839-0325 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 21:32:25 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:32:25 -0400 Subject: [OT] One terabyte drive In-Reply-To: <8a93d74fbb3044913d5ebf77f6d2caaf-Ja3L+HSX0kI@public.gmane.org> References: <47D67CB8.6090708@rogers.com> <8a93d74fbb3044913d5ebf77f6d2caaf@vex.net> Message-ID: <20080314213225.GD1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 08:54:25AM -0400, sciguy wrote: > It boggles the mind that it would take a hundred thousand 10 meg drives to > have the same storage as a 1TB drive. The day was not too far off when the > prospect of owning a TB of storage was almost inconceivable. And now, > they're even falling in price. 100GB drives are now considered small (or at > least middling), which is still 10,000x the capacity of a 10 MB drive. > > I think if I add up all my drives in the house, I may have just over 1.5 > TB. I remember dreaming of having one of those 10 or 20MB supra hard drives for my Amiga. Way too expensive though. Now my mythtv box has 2TB at a cost of less than the Amiga was and the Amiga itself was quite a cheap machine. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 15 00:03:51 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Samsung printing fixed, maybe In-Reply-To: References: <43085.72.141.149.78.1205526575.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <37346.72.141.149.78.1205539431.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 4:29 PM, wrote: >> Now the question: I'd like this 'sudo aa-complain cupsd' command to >> execute automatically. I tried putting it in .profile, where it gets >> executed at logon, and that doesn't work. I then put it in .bashrc, >> which >> gets executed with each new subshell (and, I guess, each new invocation >> of >> an application) and that appears to work. However, it also prompts me >> for >> a password every time I create an xterm. Any ideas on how to avoid >> that? > > A script in expect could provide password. But that password would > have to be sored in script and.. of course one has to learn basics of > expect (which is not diffigult at all but reuires some time; I forget > myself.) > > zb. I'm wondering if some .init script could take care of this and do it system wide with root permissions. P. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 15 02:14:07 2008 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:14:07 -0400 Subject: Samsung printing fixed, maybe In-Reply-To: <37346.72.141.149.78.1205539431.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <43085.72.141.149.78.1205526575.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <37346.72.141.149.78.1205539431.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20080314221407.5msl2xcxcosgc8sg@mail.math.yorku.ca> Quoting phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org: > >> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 4:29 PM, wrote: >>> Now the question: I'd like this 'sudo aa-complain cupsd' command to >>> execute automatically. I tried putting it in .profile, where it gets >>> executed at logon, and that doesn't work. I then put it in .bashrc, >>> which >>> gets executed with each new subshell (and, I guess, each new invocation >>> of >>> an application) and that appears to work. However, it also prompts me >>> for >>> a password every time I create an xterm. Any ideas on how to avoid >>> that? >> >> A script in expect could provide password. But that password would >> have to be sored in script and.. of course one has to learn basics of >> expect (which is not diffigult at all but reuires some time; I forget >> myself.) >> >> zb. > > I'm wondering if some .init script could take care of this and do it > system wide with root permissions. Well, you could add a script to /etc/rcS.d/ . Or the corresponding directory for a later runlevel in case it depends on some other setup. A little brute-forceish, maybe, but it should work. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 15 13:23:46 2008 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:23:46 -0400 Subject: Samsung printing fixed, maybe In-Reply-To: <20080314221407.5msl2xcxcosgc8sg-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <43085.72.141.149.78.1205526575.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <37346.72.141.149.78.1205539431.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20080314221407.5msl2xcxcosgc8sg@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20080315132346.21D1A854F0@sarg.ryerson.ca> Just put it in /etc/rc.local where you won't need the sudo, because it's already root, so simply: aa-complain cupsd (you may need to look a bit to find rc.local... it may be in /etc/init.d or rc.d or elsewhere) ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From paul-fQIO8zZcxYtFkWKT+BUv2w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 15 14:19:24 2008 From: paul-fQIO8zZcxYtFkWKT+BUv2w at public.gmane.org (Paul Nash) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:19:24 -0400 Subject: Porting Windows -> Linux (tools/libraries) In-Reply-To: <20080314152717.GB1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <3434C2F3-EC6B-465A-B3EF-6E6426060953@nashnetworks.ca> <20080314152717.GB1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 14-Mar-08, at 11:27 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > a bunch of stuff about cross-platform software development. I agree with you. This particular bunch of code was written some years back as a Windows service by programmers who have long since left my client's company. My client wants the app moved as quickly as possible, without re-writing from scratch. I have had a several of these projects in the past few years, and have built up a bunch of compatibility routines as a result. Yes, Wine does provide a couple of routines, but there is a whole lot missing, like MS-XML and SQL Server compatibility. I also prefer to link a small library to my code when I need Winsock and RRAS compatibility rather than linking the entire Wine lib. Anyway, looks like no-one here is interetsed, so I'll shelve it. paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 15 14:52:18 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Hitting back against a spammer... Message-ID: <710336.91865.qm@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Got a chuckle this morning when plowing through the daily spam collection. Got an e-mail claiming to be from Corpone, a US financial services organization, that was asking me to login and verify my financial details (with the website they were asking me to click on being a domain registered to an organization with a mailing address in Yarmouth, NS). All a fairly run of the mill @#$% phishing scam right? Well, what amused me was at the top of the e-mail was a large red block with white letters that read: **** WARNING **** This is a fraudulent e-mail Seems the e-mail included a link to grab the Corpone logo off the Corpone website. Someone on the ball at Corpone had changed the logo image on the scammers. All right, so not a big hit against the con artists on the net, but nice to see some folks disrupting them where they can... Also, worth a chuckle to see that happening... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 15 16:37:11 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:37:11 -0400 Subject: Hitting back against a spammer... In-Reply-To: <710336.91865.qm-N/0UzftCW16B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <710336.91865.qm@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47DBFB37.8090802@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > Got a chuckle this morning when plowing through the > daily spam collection. Got an e-mail claiming to be > from Corpone, a US financial services organization, > that was asking me to login and verify my financial > details (with the website they were asking me to click > on being a domain registered to an organization with a > mailing address in Yarmouth, NS). Perhaps the HS police would take an interest in this? Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 15 16:45:26 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:45:26 -0400 Subject: [OT] Structure for movable home theatre Message-ID: <47DBFD26.9080004@rogers.com> This is about as off topic as it gets. Though I do plan on using a PS3 for the player. But I think some on the list will find this an interesting project and be able to help. I live in a high rise and have converted my living room to a photography studio. I want to add a home theatre that has the front section on wheels and can be moved around the room. So I need a structure of some sore. A life size version of an erector set would be ideal. I know where to get locking wheels, but not the structure. Or materials to build it. I would bolt the HDTV to vertical bars and need room for the PS3, receiver, two fronts and center speaker. Maybe the sub woofer, as well. Probably looking at 200 lbs. I hope this will look like something from a warehouse, and shelving components may be the way to go. All suggestions appreciated! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 15 17:25:58 2008 From: walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:25:58 -0400 Subject: Per-User X Windows System Screen Resolution Configuration In-Reply-To: <20080313165219.1adb287e-lQMCrfjKGrJ3Ex1Y5TzZUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080313165219.1adb287e@david.chipman> Message-ID: <20080315172558.GA9600@waltdnes.org> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 04:52:19PM -0400, David C. Chipman wrote > Hi all, > > Does anybody know of a way to have the screen > resolution settings for X Windows change with a given user login? > Thanks, That question fits in with my sig . The answer is that the startx command can pass options to the server, specifically everything after the "--" delimiter. One of the server options is "-config", i.e. the config file to use for the session. I have several config files set up [m3000][waltdnes][~] ls -1 /etc/X11/*.conf /etc/X11/320x200xorg.conf /etc/X11/320x240xorg.conf /etc/X11/384x240xorg.conf /etc/X11/384x300xorg.conf /etc/X11/480x300xorg.conf /etc/X11/480x400xorg.conf /etc/X11/640x400xorg.conf /etc/X11/640x600xorg.conf /etc/X11/960x600xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf I have a simple script ~/bin/x like so... #! /bin/bash startx -- -nolisten tcp -nosilk -config ${1}xorg.conf & If I start with the command "x", it uses /etc/X11/xorg.conf, the default, which is set up for my 1920x1200 screen. If I start with the command "x 960x600", it uses the file /etc/X11/960x600xorg.conf. I have the smaller sizes set up for Youtube, etal. As long as you divide the vertical and horizontal resolution by a whole number, the system does not have to interpolate pixels, so video quality doesn't suffer. A cute trick is that you can *SIMULTANEOUSLY* launch startx as the same or a different user, *AS LONG AS YOU SPECIFY A DIFFERENT SCREEN*. The file ~/bin/x1 looks like so. Note the ":1" to force screen :1 #! /bin/bash startx -- :1 -nolisten tcp -nosilk -config ${1}xorg.conf & The simultaneous users can have different resolutions and/or colour bit depths. This is ideal for testing how a webpage looks at different resolutions. -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 15 17:31:14 2008 From: walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:31:14 -0400 Subject: [OT] Structure for movable home theatre In-Reply-To: <47DBFD26.9080004-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47DBFD26.9080004@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080315173114.GA9652@waltdnes.org> On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 12:45:26PM -0400, Stephen wrote > I would bolt the HDTV to vertical bars and need room for the PS3, receiver, > two fronts and center speaker. Maybe the sub woofer, as well. Probably > looking at 200 lbs. > > I hope this will look like something from a warehouse, and shelving > components may be the way to go. This sounds like a "Home Depot" project. They also have electrical wire/cabling and ethernet and coax and various connectors you can use in a home theatre. And they don't charge "Monstrous" prices, either. -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 15 17:39:55 2008 From: dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org (David C. Chipman) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:39:55 -0400 Subject: Per-User X Windows System Screen Resolution Configuration In-Reply-To: <20080314153045.GC1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080313165219.1adb287e@david.chipman> <20080314153045.GC1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080315133955.620f3108@david.chipman> Hi Lennart, Thanks for our suggestion. I would say, however, that as somebody with vision problems (and this is why I'm asking about this stuff), the fact that flat-panels *should* be used at their native resolution doesn't matter to me. If it's the "eye-bleed" resolution, I'll want it lower so I can read the text on the screen. Thank you for the suggestion, though. Later, -David Chipman -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 15 19:03:03 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OT] Structure for movable home theatre In-Reply-To: <47DBFD26.9080004-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47DBFD26.9080004@rogers.com> Message-ID: <55599.72.141.149.78.1205607783.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Dexion Angle: Giant Meccano. (Erector was vastly inferior ;). http://www.dexion.com/products/kits/dexion_slotted.asp They show a special tool to cut the angle but you can easily use a hacksaw. Peter > This is about as off topic as it gets. Though I do plan on using a PS3 > for the player. > > But I think some on the list will find this an interesting project and > be able to help. > > I live in a high rise and have converted my living room to a photography > studio. I want to add a home theatre that has the front section on > wheels and can be moved around the room. > > So I need a structure of some sore. A life size version of an erector > set would be ideal. I know where to get locking wheels, but not the > structure. Or materials to build it. > > I would bolt the HDTV to vertical bars and need room for the PS3, > receiver, two fronts and center speaker. Maybe the sub woofer, as well. > Probably looking at 200 lbs. > > I hope this will look like something from a warehouse, and shelving > components may be the way to go. > > All suggestions appreciated! > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 15 22:04:45 2008 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:04:45 -0400 Subject: [OT] One terabyte drive In-Reply-To: <20080314213225.GD1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47D67CB8.6090708@rogers.com> <8a93d74fbb3044913d5ebf77f6d2caaf@vex.net> <20080314213225.GD1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080315220107.GC8752@scarab.int.linuxcaffe.ca> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 05:32:25PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I remember dreaming of having one of those 10 or 20MB supra hard drives > for my Amiga. Way too expensive though. in the late 1980s, I spen $600 for a hardware upgrade to enhance my 32k (yes, kilobyte) TRS80 m102, to 256k. it never worked right. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 15 22:18:37 2008 From: walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:18:37 -0400 Subject: A UHF TV antenna... licenced under GPLv3! Message-ID: <20080315221837.GA9670@waltdnes.org> The GPL licence sort of keeps this on topic. The web site is at http://www.digitalhome.ca/ota/superantenna complete with source code,,, errr... ummmh... design specs. And the discussion thread is at http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=81982 The original Hoverman antenna lacked sufficient bandwidth for the entire UHF band. Gain started falling off at about channel 54, and it was basically useless by the time you got to 83. Those old farts in the audience who remember channel 83, raise your hands. Years later, channels 70..83 were turned over to radio comms (the 800 mhz band). But the Hoverman antenna still had problems with channels 54..69. With the shutdown of NTSC OTA (Over The Air) broadcasts, to be replaced by more efficient ATSC (2009/02/17 in the USA and 2011/08/31 in Canada), the UHF band will shrink down to channel 51. And the optimized Gray-Hoverman antenna can beat the Channel Master CM4228, which is the best consumer-grade antenna this side of parabolic mostrosities usually seen only at cableco head-ends. For those of us in the GTA, a whole bunch of Toronto and Buffalo digital stations are available, with the prime-time evening schaedule, and most weekend sports, being in stunning high-definition. And unlike Rogers or Bell *IT'S FREE AS IN BEER*. -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 16 02:26:56 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Per-User X Windows System Screen Resolution Configuration In-Reply-To: <20080315133955.620f3108-lQMCrfjKGrJ3Ex1Y5TzZUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080313165219.1adb287e@david.chipman> <20080314153045.GC1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080315133955.620f3108@david.chipman> Message-ID: | From: David C. Chipman | Thanks for our suggestion. I would say, however, that | as somebody with vision problems (and this is why I'm asking about this | stuff), the fact that flat-panels *should* be used at their native | resolution doesn't matter to me. If it's the "eye-bleed" resolution, | I'll want it lower so I can read the text on the screen. Thank you for | the suggestion, though. Later, In theory, the best approach is probably to use the native resolution but to change X's idea of the physical size of a pixel. That way you should get text that is the size you want but rendered with great resolution. So how do you change the DPI (dots per inch; it ought to be pixels/cm, but it isn't) setting? In theory, the place is xorg.conf section "Monitor". But various other things poke their fingers into this. See, for example, this thread: http://www.webservertalk.com/message1491918.html (The first one I looked at from googling for "xorg.conf DPI" -- there might well be better.) startx takes a DPI parameter, among other things. I admit that I have not addressed your original question. The answer depends on what gets run on your system when someone logs in. On some of our systems, X gets run manually by an individual user (if she wants to) after login. That makes the answer easy. If you cannot use native resolution, the next best resolution (if your monitor supports it) is quarter resolution. This would turn each pixel in the window into four on the screen (2x2). It is likely be way to crude. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From alorane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 16 20:50:32 2008 From: alorane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (alorane) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:50:32 -0400 Subject: Correct Screen Resolution Ubuntu 7.04 on Satellite 4100XCDT Message-ID: <6a394d3b0803161350s40207839qed1539f7e5d3b241@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I installed Ubuntu 7.04 (feisty) with a lot of problems on an old Toshiba Satellite 4100XCDT laptop last year. memory 123.1MB(reason while I had a lot of problems), mobile Pentium II. Everything is working so far except the screen resolution: it does only allow me to change between 832x624, 800x600 and 640x480. The laptop screen does have a resolution of 1024x768. How can I get my full screen? Thanks alorane ziche The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 16 21:26:42 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: A UHF TV antenna... licenced under GPLv3! In-Reply-To: <20080315221837.GA9670-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20080315221837.GA9670@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <255713.53211.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I am cc:ing this to the local MythTV mailing list. I know there is some overlap between the Greater Toronto Area Linux user group and the MythTV list, I also know some folks are just on the one list. For those on both lists, and are seeing this message twice, sorry... --- walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > The GPL licence sort of keeps this on topic. The > web site is at > http://www.digitalhome.ca/ota/superantenna complete > with source code,,, > errr... ummmh... design specs. And the discussion > thread is at > http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=81982 > > The original Hoverman antenna lacked sufficient > bandwidth for the > entire UHF band. Gain started falling off at about > channel 54, and it > was basically useless by the time you got to 83. > Those old farts in the > audience who remember channel 83, raise your hands. > > Years later, channels 70..83 were turned over to > radio comms (the 800 > mhz band). But the Hoverman antenna still had > problems with channels > 54..69. With the shutdown of NTSC OTA (Over The > Air) broadcasts, to be > replaced by more efficient ATSC (2009/02/17 in the > USA and 2011/08/31 in > Canada), the UHF band will shrink down to channel > 51. And the optimized > Gray-Hoverman antenna can beat the Channel Master > CM4228, which is the > best consumer-grade antenna this side of parabolic > mostrosities usually > seen only at cableco head-ends. > > For those of us in the GTA, a whole bunch of > Toronto and Buffalo > digital stations are available, with the prime-time > evening schaedule, > and most weekend sports, being in stunning > high-definition. And unlike > Rogers or Bell *IT'S FREE AS IN BEER*. Neat, but, but ... A while back I took a stab at building a bow-tie style antenna. The antenna performance was ... fairly bad. Further, the cost... My current TV antenna is a Winegard GS-2200 bought for $9.99 (plus $25 (US) for shipping) off eBay. To build a decent antenna the parts alone will set you back that sort of money, and here I have a commercial weather proof antenna that I know from day one will perform reasonably (the GS-2200 is middling performer, is small (which was important to me) and at that price...). To draw pack to things Linux, I have that GS-2200 antenna connected to a pcHDTV-5500 tuner card in my Linux running MythTV box. Depending on how you want to count channels, yes, I am getting over 17 digital channels via that antenna / tuner card. The reason I say "depending on how you want to count channels", is multi-fold. CBLFT-D, the French language CBC outlet here in Toronto is normally such a poor signal (pixelization and audio drop-outs) as to normally be not worth watching (CBLFT-D also seems to have the lowest of low power digital transmitters in the GTA). WUTV the Buffalo Fox affiliate is running the same shows on digital signal in both high definition and standard definition, should that count as two or one station? Omni 1 and Omni 2 have been running tests of their digital transmitters, but they are not up on a regular basis, yet (this will no doubt change soon). Still, over a dozen (no matter how you want to count things) digital stations that I can count on being there for me, which is great stuff. Further I have set-up a diskless box in my bedroom that will netboot off my livingroom MythTV box. This means I : - Am no longer paying Rogers for an extra cable TV outlet (outlet taken out a few weeks ago). Given my grubles with Roger's @#$% Internet offerings I take some pleasure in paying a few $/mo. less to them :-) . - Can watch ANY content I have captured on the main box on an old TV in bedroom. - Assuming the pcHDTV-5500 card is not in use recording a show, I can watch "live" HDTV shows in livingroom or bedroom. - "Big" ticket items, the tuners and hard drives are shared through the house as required. Colin McGregor > -- > Walter Dnes > I'm not repeating myself > I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 16 21:28:50 2008 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:28:50 -0400 Subject: Correct Screen Resolution Ubuntu 7.04 on Satellite 4100XCDT In-Reply-To: <6a394d3b0803161350s40207839qed1539f7e5d3b241-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <6a394d3b0803161350s40207839qed1539f7e5d3b241@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DD9112.7050601@rogers.com> alorane wrote: > Hi all, > > I installed Ubuntu 7.04 (feisty) with a lot of problems on an old > Toshiba Satellite 4100XCDT laptop last year. > memory 123.1MB(reason while I had a lot of problems), mobile Pentium II. > Everything is working so far except the screen resolution: it does only > allow me to change between > 832x624, 800x600 and 640x480. The laptop screen does have a resolution > of 1024x768. > How can I get my full screen? YOU HAVE TO EDIT YOUR x.org conf file (as root) and add the correct resolution. Make sure that you make the change to all instances. here is a copy of my file from Mepis 7.0 where I added the 1440 x 900 resolution for my 19" LCD monitor. SubSection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1440x900""1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "1440x900""1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1440x900""1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1440x900""1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 32 Modes "1440x900""1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" EndSubSection HTH John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 16 22:58:47 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Correct Screen Resolution Ubuntu 7.04 on Satellite 4100XCDT In-Reply-To: <6a394d3b0803161350s40207839qed1539f7e5d3b241-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <6a394d3b0803161350s40207839qed1539f7e5d3b241@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: alorane | I installed Ubuntu 7.04 (feisty) with a lot of problems on an old Toshiba | Satellite 4100XCDT laptop last year. | memory 123.1MB(reason while I had a lot of problems), mobile Pentium II. | Everything is working so far except the screen resolution: it does only | allow me to change between | 832x624, 800x600 and 640x480. The laptop screen does have a resolution of | 1024x768. | How can I get my full screen? I don't know enough about the 4100XCDT. This seems to have the specifications: http://resource.toshiba-europe.com/europe/bv/computers/technical/satellite/Satellite4100XCDT_tech_e.doc This says that your computer has 2.5MB video RAM. That seems rather light (and not a power of two). If it is correct, and you want 1024x764, you can have no more than 3 bytes per pixel (assuming that nothing else uses video RAM). I don't know whether the Trident Cyber9525 supports 3 bytes per pixel or rounds up to 4 bytes per pixel) -- some video controllers do that. So you might have to go with 2 bytes per pixel. The specs seem to limit 1024x768 to 64k colours (i.e. 2 bytes per pixel). I have an old notebook with an old Linux distro that also has a Trident video controller. The X driver never was 100%. But I could get 1024x768 (16 bits/pixel). This bug hasn't been fixed as far as I know. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=61834 Read the second last comment here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=41150 Current X seems to ignore modelines in xorg.conf, at least under certain conditions. Very annoying. Perhaps it depends on the driver used. /var/log/Xorg.0.log tells you a lot about what X is thinking about your system. If you can decode it, you should be able to find out what is going wrong. Here's a log from my notebook about 7 years ago: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=19451 A 128M SODIMM would do a lot to help Linux on your machine (I assume that you have 64M soldered on the motherboard and a 64M SODIMM in a socket. Some Toshibas have two sockets in addition to the 64M soldered on the MB. Even so, the live Ubuntu 7.10 install CD still won't do: it requires something like 385M. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 03:26:47 2008 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:26:47 -0400 Subject: [OT] One terabyte drive In-Reply-To: <20080315220107.GC8752-vuApnpmWkJ9FpmmLyGmH5+/MzcrNtJ/p@public.gmane.org> References: <47D67CB8.6090708@rogers.com> <8a93d74fbb3044913d5ebf77f6d2caaf@vex.net> <20080314213225.GD1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080315220107.GC8752@scarab.int.linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 6:04 PM, David J Patrick wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 05:32:25PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > I remember dreaming of having one of those 10 or 20MB supra hard drives > > for my Amiga. Way too expensive though. > > in the late 1980s, I spen $600 for a hardware upgrade to enhance my 32k > (yes, kilobyte) TRS80 m102, to 256k. it never worked right. Not quite in the same league, but in the early 90's I spent over $200 to upgrade my 4M 486/66 system to 8M (so, an additional 4M) so it would run dBase IV under DOS for a client project (anyone remember extended memory?). I earned $250 on the project which paid for the extra memory, and also allowed me to run OS/2 faster, so that worked out. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 03:39:53 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OT] One terabyte drive In-Reply-To: References: <47D67CB8.6090708@rogers.com> <8a93d74fbb3044913d5ebf77f6d2caaf@vex.net> <20080314213225.GD1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080315220107.GC8752@scarab.int.linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <58705.72.141.149.78.1205725193.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Not quite in the same league, but in the early 90's I spent over $200 > to upgrade my 4M 486/66 system to 8M (so, an additional 4M) so it > would run dBase IV under DOS for a client project (anyone remember > extended memory?). I earned $250 on the project which paid for the > extra memory, and also allowed me to run OS/2 faster, so that worked > out. Back in the 70's the core memory for a PDP-12 was $1 per word. The memory bits apparently were magnetic donuts hand-threaded by workers in Mexico. So an additional 4k words of memory would have cost $4096, back when that was a substantial portion of my annual salary. If you wanted compiler error messages, you had to buy this extra memory. Otherwise, all you got was the one word 'NO' in the middle of the screen. I do miss the flashing lights, but not having to manually toggle in a loader program. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 03:43:14 2008 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:43:14 -0400 Subject: Recovering zapped hard drives Message-ID: Hello TLUG, I was talking with a friend this weekend -- he has two PCs that were zapped by lightning recently, and this has apparently fried the hard drives. Apparently the drives don't even spin up any more. He has had a few people try to get data from these drives, without success. Before laying five large on a data recovery service, he's going to try one more thing, which is to order identical drives and swap the hard drive PCBs. Has anyone tried this procedure? Are there any reports of successes? Thanks. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 11:10:04 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:10:04 -0400 Subject: [OT] One terabyte drive In-Reply-To: References: <47D67CB8.6090708@rogers.com> <8a93d74fbb3044913d5ebf77f6d2caaf@vex.net> <20080314213225.GD1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080315220107.GC8752@scarab.int.linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <47DE518C.6070904@rogers.com> Alex Beamish wrote: > On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 6:04 PM, David J Patrick wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 05:32:25PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> > I remember dreaming of having one of those 10 or 20MB supra hard drives >> > for my Amiga. Way too expensive though. >> >> in the late 1980s, I spen $600 for a hardware upgrade to enhance my 32k >> (yes, kilobyte) TRS80 m102, to 256k. it never worked right. >> > > Not quite in the same league, but in the early 90's I spent over $200 > to upgrade my 4M 486/66 system to 8M (so, an additional 4M) so it > would run dBase IV under DOS for a client project (anyone remember > extended memory?). I earned $250 on the project which paid for the > extra memory, and also allowed me to run OS/2 faster, so that worked > out. > > I paid about $500 for a 30 MB drive & controller, for my XT clone and memory for my first computer, an IMSAI 8080 was about $200 for 4K, back in 1977. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 11:13:35 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:13:35 -0400 Subject: [OT] One terabyte drive In-Reply-To: <58705.72.141.149.78.1205725193.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <47D67CB8.6090708@rogers.com> <8a93d74fbb3044913d5ebf77f6d2caaf@vex.net> <20080314213225.GD1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080315220107.GC8752@scarab.int.linuxcaffe.ca> <58705.72.141.149.78.1205725193.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <47DE525F.8070809@rogers.com> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >> Not quite in the same league, but in the early 90's I spent over $200 >> to upgrade my 4M 486/66 system to 8M (so, an additional 4M) so it >> would run dBase IV under DOS for a client project (anyone remember >> extended memory?). I earned $250 on the project which paid for the >> extra memory, and also allowed me to run OS/2 faster, so that worked >> out. >> > > Back in the 70's the core memory for a PDP-12 was $1 per word. The memory > bits apparently were magnetic donuts hand-threaded by workers in Mexico. > So an additional 4k words of memory would have cost $4096, back when that > was a substantial portion of my annual salary. If you wanted compiler > error messages, you had to buy this extra memory. Otherwise, all you got > was the one word 'NO' in the middle of the screen. > > I do miss the flashing lights, but not having to manually toggle in a > loader program. > > When IBM introduced core memory, back in the '50s, it was $1/byte. I have a 16 K bit core memory plane, from a Collins computer here. My first computer, an IMSAI 8080 had lots of lights and switches on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSAI_8080 -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 11:15:52 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:15:52 -0400 Subject: Recovering zapped hard drives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47DE52E8.50103@rogers.com> Alex Beamish wrote: > Hello TLUG, > > I was talking with a friend this weekend -- he has two PCs that were > zapped by lightning recently, and this has apparently fried the hard > drives. Apparently the drives don't even spin up any more. > > He has had a few people try to get data from these drives, without > success. Before laying five large on a data recovery service, he's > going to try one more thing, which is to order identical drives and > swap the hard drive PCBs. Has anyone tried this procedure? Are there > any reports of successes? > > Thanks. > > Unless he has a lot of experience with computer repair, I'd strongly recommend against that. He could easily make it impossible to recover the data. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 11:22:05 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:22:05 -0400 Subject: Recovering zapped hard drives In-Reply-To: <47DE52E8.50103-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47DE52E8.50103@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47DE545D.6010605@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > Alex Beamish wrote: >> Hello TLUG, >> >> I was talking with a friend this weekend -- he has two PCs that were >> zapped by lightning recently, and this has apparently fried the hard >> drives. Apparently the drives don't even spin up any more. >> >> He has had a few people try to get data from these drives, without >> success. Before laying five large on a data recovery service, he's >> going to try one more thing, which is to order identical drives and >> swap the hard drive PCBs. Has anyone tried this procedure? Are there >> any reports of successes? >> >> Thanks. >> >> > Unless he has a lot of experience with computer repair, I'd strongly > recommend against that. He could easily make it impossible to recover > the data. > > One more thought on this, he might want to see if his insurance will cover data recovery. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 13:11:31 2008 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:11:31 -0500 Subject: Recovering zapped hard drives In-Reply-To: <47DE545D.6010605-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47DE52E8.50103@rogers.com> <47DE545D.6010605@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47DE6E03.50700@gmail.com> I would recommend finding another bad drive of that same model. If you are able to cleanly remove the platters and or assembly, I would say it would be worth it to then get a working drive of that model and do it again. Put the recovery platters into the working drive unit. Dont worry about clean air. The drives will work just fine without a cover on them. (days?/weeks?) Long enough to get the data. The only tricky part is having the right tools to get those platters out. /teddy James Knott wrote: > James Knott wrote: >> Alex Beamish wrote: >>> Hello TLUG, >>> >>> I was talking with a friend this weekend -- he has two PCs that were >>> zapped by lightning recently, and this has apparently fried the hard >>> drives. Apparently the drives don't even spin up any more. >>> >>> He has had a few people try to get data from these drives, without >>> success. Before laying five large on a data recovery service, he's >>> going to try one more thing, which is to order identical drives and >>> swap the hard drive PCBs. Has anyone tried this procedure? Are there >>> any reports of successes? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >> Unless he has a lot of experience with computer repair, I'd strongly >> recommend against that. He could easily make it impossible to >> recover the data. >> >> > One more thought on this, he might want to see if his insurance will > cover data recovery. > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From spamstinksmmmkay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 12:36:33 2008 From: spamstinksmmmkay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (R.T.) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:36:33 -0400 Subject: Recovering zapped hard drives In-Reply-To: <47DE6E03.50700-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47DE52E8.50103@rogers.com> <47DE545D.6010605@rogers.com> <47DE6E03.50700@gmail.com> Message-ID: Scott Moulton spoke at Defcon 2007 about pcb swaps, and he has directions for making your own clean room. http://www.myharddrivedied.com/presentations.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rdice-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 12:52:07 2008 From: rdice-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Dice) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:52:07 -0400 Subject: Recovering zapped hard drives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bef4baf0803170552r46fb1d72y9f65b71c41d51641@mail.gmail.com> Hi Alex, What I've heard is that this could be nigh impossible unless he has the correct alternative PCBs to work with. And just buying another hard drive of the same make/model isn't good enough. You basically have to buy from the same OEM _batch_. Theyr'e always making tweaks to the design and using alternate subcomponent suppliers so the PCB on the drive you buy this week isn't going to be the same one as what you buy on the "same" drive a week from now. Cheers, - Richard On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Alex Beamish wrote: > Hello TLUG, > > I was talking with a friend this weekend -- he has two PCs that were > zapped by lightning recently, and this has apparently fried the hard > drives. Apparently the drives don't even spin up any more. > > He has had a few people try to get data from these drives, without > success. Before laying five large on a data recovery service, he's > going to try one more thing, which is to order identical drives and > swap the hard drive PCBs. Has anyone tried this procedure? Are there > any reports of successes? > > Thanks. > > -- > Alex Beamish > Toronto, Ontario > aka talexb > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 13:03:08 2008 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:03:08 -0400 Subject: A UHF TV antenna... licenced under GPLv3! In-Reply-To: <20080315221837.GA9670-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20080315221837.GA9670@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <200803170903.08368.dbmacg@look.ca> On Saturday 15 March 2008 18:18:37 walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > The GPL licence sort of keeps this on topic. The web site is at > http://www.digitalhome.ca/ota/superantenna complete with source code,,, > errr... ummmh... design specs. And the discussion thread is at > http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=81982 > > The original Hoverman antenna lacked sufficient bandwidth for the > entire UHF band. Gain started falling off at about channel 54, and it > was basically useless by the time you got to 83. Those old farts in the > audience who remember channel 83, raise your hands. CITY in Toronto was channel 79. Today, OMNI 2 is channel 69. > Years later, channels 70..83 were turned over to radio comms (the 800 > mhz band). But the Hoverman antenna still had problems with channels > 54..69. With the shutdown of NTSC OTA (Over The Air) broadcasts, to be > replaced by more efficient ATSC (2009/02/17 in the USA and 2011/08/31 in > Canada), the UHF band will shrink down to channel 51. And the optimized > Gray-Hoverman antenna can beat the Channel Master CM4228, which is the > best consumer-grade antenna this side of parabolic mostrosities usually > seen only at cableco head-ends. > > For those of us in the GTA, a whole bunch of Toronto and Buffalo > digital stations are available, with the prime-time evening schaedule, > and most weekend sports, being in stunning high-definition. And unlike > Rogers or Bell *IT'S FREE AS IN BEER*. -- Duncan MacGregor --- Toronto --- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 13:09:58 2008 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:09:58 -0400 Subject: [OT] One terabyte drive In-Reply-To: <47DE518C.6070904-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47D67CB8.6090708@rogers.com> <8a93d74fbb3044913d5ebf77f6d2caaf@vex.net> <20080314213225.GD1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080315220107.GC8752@scarab.int.linuxcaffe.ca> <47DE518C.6070904@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080317130958.4799083833@sarg.ryerson.ca> Even though painful, I find myself drawn into this "I've wasted more money on minimal computing than you"... In about 1978 I spend $15,000 on a 64Kbyte Z-80 system with 2 1.4Mb floppies and a daisy-wheel printer. It had about the same power as the IBM 1130 that I had been using at university 6 years earlier and cost about the monthly rental of that IBM 1130. In the early 80s I spent a similar amount on a PDP-11/40 with about twice as much everything and a tape drive, and this lived in my basement for a while. Later in the 80s I bought a National Semiconductor single-board computer running Unix for more like $4000, then a series of Linux machines, and now a Linux server and a bunch of Macs at home, with the most recent a MacBook Air. All in, between my company, my research grants and personally, I've probably spent about $60,000 over the last 30 years for machines that were essentially personal workstations - $2000 per year. *Sigh* ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 13:29:15 2008 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:29:15 -0400 Subject: [OT] One terabyte drive In-Reply-To: <20080317130958.4799083833-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <47D67CB8.6090708@rogers.com> <8a93d74fbb3044913d5ebf77f6d2caaf@vex.net> <20080314213225.GD1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080315220107.GC8752@scarab.int.linuxcaffe.ca> <47DE518C.6070904@rogers.com> <20080317130958.4799083833@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20080317132914.GL8752@scarab.int.linuxcaffe.ca> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 09:09:58AM -0400, Dave Mason wrote: > Even though painful, I find myself drawn into this "I've wasted more > money on minimal computing than you"... > All in, between my company, my research grants and > personally, I've probably spent about $60,000 over the last 30 years for > machines that were essentially personal workstations - $2000 per year. *Sigh* > ladies and germs, I think we have a winner... and what do we have as beautiful prizes ? a shiny CD, ethernet whatsit and firewire dohickey for you to use with your new MacAir ! ;-) djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 21:19:06 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:19:06 -0400 Subject: Samsung printing fixed, maybe In-Reply-To: <20080315132346.21D1A854F0-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <43085.72.141.149.78.1205526575.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <37346.72.141.149.78.1205539431.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20080314221407.5msl2xcxcosgc8sg@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080315132346.21D1A854F0@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20080317211906.GA1730@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 09:23:46AM -0400, Dave Mason wrote: > Just put it in /etc/rc.local where you won't need the sudo, because it's > already root, so simply: > > aa-complain cupsd > > (you may need to look a bit to find rc.local... it may be in /etc/init.d > or rc.d or elsewhere) Many systems don't have an rc.local (or anything even remotely like it). Sometimes you really do have to create a proper init script and use it. Or there is always the cron '@reboot' option. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 21:21:11 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:21:11 -0400 Subject: [OT] One terabyte drive In-Reply-To: References: <47D67CB8.6090708@rogers.com> <8a93d74fbb3044913d5ebf77f6d2caaf@vex.net> <20080314213225.GD1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080315220107.GC8752@scarab.int.linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <20080317212111.GB1730@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:26:47PM -0400, Alex Beamish wrote: > Not quite in the same league, but in the early 90's I spent over $200 > to upgrade my 4M 486/66 system to 8M (so, an additional 4M) so it > would run dBase IV under DOS for a client project (anyone remember > extended memory?). I earned $250 on the project which paid for the > extra memory, and also allowed me to run OS/2 faster, so that worked > out. My 486/66 started life with 16M when my dad bought it for CAD. It now has 48M and still runs nicely as a firewall machine. At university i even ran X on it all the time and often with a remote X session on a sun3/50 as well. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 21:32:51 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:32:51 -0400 Subject: Per-User X Windows System Screen Resolution Configuration In-Reply-To: <20080315133955.620f3108-lQMCrfjKGrJ3Ex1Y5TzZUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080313165219.1adb287e@david.chipman> <20080314153045.GC1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080315133955.620f3108@david.chipman> Message-ID: <20080317213251.GC1730@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 01:39:55PM -0400, David C. Chipman wrote: > Thanks for our suggestion. I would say, however, that > as somebody with vision problems (and this is why I'm asking about this > stuff), the fact that flat-panels *should* be used at their native > resolution doesn't matter to me. If it's the "eye-bleed" resolution, > I'll want it lower so I can read the text on the screen. Thank you for > the suggestion, though. Later, I would think you would be better off using a larger font at the full resolution. However you can also use an integer divisor of the native resolution and still get it to be clear. So a 1920x1200 could run 960x600 very nicely. You could probably get away with 1280x800 as well, since that would map 3 real pixels to 2 virtual pixels, which shouldn't be too bad. Of course an HDTV has much larger pixels. You could run 1920x1080 on a 60" and got way larger pixels than on a 24". :) They are not that expensive either anymore and make wonderful TVs too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 22:46:51 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: IT360 volunteers wanted (and a wardrobe request). Message-ID: <205227.70608.qm@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> As noted in other posts, the IT360 trade show is coming up April 7-9 and we will need volunteers to help set-up/staff/tear down the booth. Anyone who would like to help staff the booth for a few hours, please e-mail me. Booth staffing would consist of talking to people, talking about how this is a great group worth joining :-) . As for wardrobe, during the show I will be strongly encouraging "business casual". During the set-up / teardown time, we are constrained by the convention centre rules, where basicly during some hours of the 7th (set-up day) and evening of April 7th they will insist that anyone on the show floor have: - Approved construction hard hat - Aprroved steel toed construction shoes/boots Now, I think we can work inside the time limits without safety stuff, but if I know that we have persons A and B that can be sent onto the show floor during the restricted hours that could give a lot of very appreciated flexibility... The definition of approved in the above context being what ever the convention centre will tolerate (wardrobe calls that are out of my hands...). So, if you have safety gear that can pass muster with the convention centre and can help on April 7th (daytime) and/or April 9th (evening), please let me know... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 18 03:27:54 2008 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:27:54 -0400 Subject: bookmark management In-Reply-To: <47D80714.5080607-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47D80714.5080607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080317232754.4bbf9f5d.hgibson@eol.ca> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:38:44 -0500 teddy mills wrote: > I have been trying to consolidate my bookmarks on my computers in > different locations. > I have found the Firefox addon called FoxMarks. > However I would imagine there are a number of open source bookmark > management systems out there. > > Does anyone have recommendations on a opensource bookmark management system? Teddy, Learn to code HTML. Create a bookmarks web page, and store it on your favorite computers, bury it on a web page, or store it on a flash stick. HTML is just about the simplest thing you can learn on a computer. A web page on a flash stick is just about as portable as you can get. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 18 12:08:13 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:08:13 -0400 Subject: bookmark management In-Reply-To: <20080317232754.4bbf9f5d.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47D80714.5080607@gmail.com> <20080317232754.4bbf9f5d.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Howard Gibson wrote: > On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:38:44 -0500 > > teddy mills wrote: > > > > I have been trying to consolidate my bookmarks on my computers in > > different locations. > > I have found the Firefox addon called FoxMarks. > > However I would imagine there are a number of open source bookmark > > management systems out there. > > > > Does anyone have recommendations on a opensource bookmark management system? > > Teddy, > > Learn to code HTML. > > Create a bookmarks web page, and store it on your favorite computers, bury it on a web page, or store it on a flash stick. > > HTML is just about the simplest thing you can learn on a computer. A web page on a flash stick is just about as portable as you can get. The thing is, it's not HTML that needs to be "coded." Web browsers generally include a bookmark manager that provides the essential hook that when you click on a suitable menu option or press a key sequence (alt-D/alt-B), the page presently being browsed gets added to a bookmark list. Teddy would like to capture his bookmark list in some way such that it can be used on multiple hosts, preferably with no need to manually copy the list around. That would most definitely NOT involve "coding HTML." The way to control that sort of thing would instead involve: a) Creating some centralized service for URL storage and retrieval, so that the bookmarks reside as a "web service" of some sort. Could be implemented in almost any language, and data storage could use several forms, including: - HTML (dodgy) - XML - Some equivalent to s-expressions - DBMS (SQL or DBM) b) Writing an extension for the web browser to get it to communicate with the web service - Probably implemented in JavaScript; that's the usual way of extending web browser functionality these days... There are a number of existing services (e.g. - Yahoo! del.icio.us, probably the most famous) that already implement exactly this sort of service. I am not aware of "free software" implementations, but some people may not care. On the other hand, by pointing out implementations, that may spark someone to say "oh, and here's a link to an implementation using free software where you get to run the service!" -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 18 15:46:17 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:46:17 -0400 Subject: evolution restore Message-ID: <20080318154618.2901.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> I did a fresh ubuntu install. How do I restore my mail (and calendar) from the backed up .evolution directory? Any file I point to doesn't seem to satisfy Evolution. And it's not satisfied that I just point to the .evolution directory. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 18 21:59:04 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: IT360 Planning Meeting Message-ID: <881233.70092.qm@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just to note, there will be a little planning meeting regarding the IT360 show and GTALug's role at said show Wednesday (March 19th, 2008) evening, 7:00PM @ the Starbucks coffee shop inside the Indigo bookstore, 2300 Yonge Street (a VERY short walk north from Yonge and Eglinton). Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 19 00:52:32 2008 From: lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: bookmark management In-Reply-To: <47D80714.5080607-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47D80714.5080607@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, teddy mills wrote: > I have been trying to consolidate my bookmarks on my computers > in different locations. I use SeaMonkey and basically just rsync the whole profile directory here and there. Works for me. That profile directory came from when I use Mozilla 0.xx, and I think the bookmarks.html inside it came from Netscape 4 era. :-) -- (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 19 01:24:33 2008 From: lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: video chat / conferencing solution? Message-ID: Hi! Do you have any suggestion on some video (or probably more like time-lapse picture taking) chat / conferencing solutions which works well with linux workstation (with normal ISP, with dynamic or even internal IP)? A plus if it can works with some success with dial-up connection. :-) Thanks! -- (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 19 12:55:12 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Southern Ontario IT Jobs Message-ID: <952199.28561.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The Southern Ontario IT Jobs group, a group aimed at helping IT professionals in career transition will be having their next meeting on Thursday April 3rd, 2008 between 7 PM and 9 PM at: Teksystems 350 Burnhamthorpe Road West 7th/8th Floors Mississauga, Ontario L5B 3J1 The guest speaker will be Chris Whittington who will be speaking on how to use the Linkedin website to help a job search. This meeting is free to attend. For directions to Teksystems see: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=350+Burnhamthorpe+Road+West+Mississauga&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 19 16:39:49 2008 From: fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (asdf) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Wireless (non-Bluetooth) mouse support Message-ID: <421777.81538.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Are wireless (non-Bluetooth) mice supported under current Linux distributions? I am thinking of getting a Logitech wireless mouse that uses a small 2.4GHz RF transceiver that plugs into a USB port, but am not sure how well such a mouse would be supported under Linux. Thanks. Salman Ahmed ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 19 16:42:24 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:42:24 -0400 Subject: Wireless (non-Bluetooth) mouse support In-Reply-To: <421777.81538.qm-0TFTB1ODR9iB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <421777.81538.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:39 PM, asdf wrote: > Are wireless (non-Bluetooth) mice supported under current Linux distributions? I am > thinking of getting a Logitech wireless mouse that uses a small 2.4GHz RF > transceiver that plugs into a USB port, but am not sure how well such a mouse would > be supported under Linux. I have one of those; it works perfectly fine, under the USB mouse support. There's nothing special about it being wireless... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 19 16:44:14 2008 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Wireless (non-Bluetooth) mouse support In-Reply-To: <421777.81538.qm-0TFTB1ODR9iB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <421777.81538.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, asdf wrote: > Are wireless (non-Bluetooth) mice supported under current Linux distributions? sure, i have one on my fedora-based laptop, works just fine. a generic logitech. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 19 16:59:53 2008 From: fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (asdf) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Wireless (non-Bluetooth) mouse support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <238479.37001.qm@web51802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I read somewhere (on the Logitech site?) that under Windows the Logitech software is required to make the mouse work, so I just assumed that perhaps under Linux they might not be supported because of the USB RF transceiver. But this comes as a relief to me since all the Bluetooth wireless mice I've seen so far are very small, and since I have big hands I need a full/desktop sized mouse for my laptop! Thanks. Salman Ahmed --- Christopher Browne wrote: > > I have one of those; it works perfectly fine, under the USB mouse > support. There's nothing special about it being wireless... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 19 18:47:09 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:47:09 -0400 Subject: Wireless (non-Bluetooth) mouse support In-Reply-To: <421777.81538.qm-0TFTB1ODR9iB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <421777.81538.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080319184709.GD1730@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 09:39:49AM -0700, asdf wrote: > Are wireless (non-Bluetooth) mice supported under current Linux distributions? I am > thinking of getting a Logitech wireless mouse that uses a small 2.4GHz RF > transceiver that plugs into a USB port, but am not sure how well such a mouse would > be supported under Linux. It's a USB mouse. Linux doesn't care or need to know that the USB connection to the mouse is wireless. It's still a USB mouse. USB keyboards can be a bit trickier. Some of those have to have their cryptography initialized by a proprietary windows program once before they will work fully (or at all in the case of the BIOS and perhaps linux). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 19 18:49:25 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Wireless (non-Bluetooth) mouse support In-Reply-To: <238479.37001.qm-1HoIwBZJ7NaB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <238479.37001.qm@web51802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <73570.94391.qm@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- asdf wrote: > I read somewhere (on the Logitech site?) that under > Windows the Logitech software is > required to make the mouse work, so I just assumed > that perhaps under Linux they > might not be supported because of the USB RF > transceiver. While I can not speak about the Logitech wireless mice, I can note my (good) experiences with Microsoft wireless mice. With the distributions I have tried the mouse radio receiver have instantly been seen as regular USB scroll mice. Some of the Microsoft wireless mice do have some bells and whistles that my current Linux software does not take advantage of. For example some of the mice have a side-to-side scroll wheel, where pushing the scroll wheel left or right will trip microswitches. The side-to-side option does not seem to be supported in any of my current software. As well, some of my mice send out some sort of battery status information (so the right software can warn you when it is coming time to replace the mouse batteries). I would assume there are some extra Logitech functions / options that are not fully supported unless you have some extra (currently Microsoft OS only) driver installed. So, next obvious question, does anyone know of Linux software to take advantage of the extra functions available in some Microsoft (and presumably some Logitech) wireless mice? > But this comes as a relief to me since all the > Bluetooth wireless mice I've seen so > far are very small, and since I have big hands I > need a full/desktop sized mouse for > my laptop! Small observation I do have one of the Microsoft wireless laptop mice to go with my laptop (smaller than ideal, but FAR better than the default laptop touch pad). With the laptop mouse the receiver is tiny and stores away in a recess in the bottom of the mouse. With the desktop mice, the mouse is a nice size, but the receiver is also a lot larger. I would not want to carry the desktop mouse receiver around if I didn't have to... I suggest you see just how big the mouse and receiver combo is before you buy... Colin McGregor > Thanks. > > > Salman Ahmed > > --- Christopher Browne wrote: > > > > > I have one of those; it works perfectly fine, > under the USB mouse > > support. There's nothing special about it being > wireless... > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 19 19:29:50 2008 From: fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (asdf) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Wireless (non-Bluetooth) mouse support In-Reply-To: <73570.94391.qm-W5RQQfbthkOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <73570.94391.qm@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <495939.2955.qm@web51809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Colin McGregor wrote: > > Small observation I do have one of the Microsoft > wireless laptop mice to go with my laptop (smaller > than ideal, but FAR better than the default laptop > touch pad). With the laptop mouse the receiver is tiny > and stores away in a recess in the bottom of the > mouse. With the desktop mice, the mouse is a nice > size, but the receiver is also a lot larger. I would > not want to carry the desktop mouse receiver around if > I didn't have to... I suggest you see just how big the > mouse and receiver combo is before you buy... > > Colin McGregor > I am currently using the MS Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000, which works perfectly under Windows (haven't gotten around to installing Linux on my notebook), but is way too small for my ginormous hands esp when I am using my notebook for an extended period of time. I do agree that even a small mouse is preferable to using the trackpad. The Logitech VX Nano has a really tiny RF transceiver (hence the Nano in its name) but the mouse itself isn't much bigger than the one I am currently looking to replace. I spent over an hour last night at a Best Buy and a FutureShop and I've narrowed my choices down to either a Logitech MX620 or a Logitech LX8. Both have transceivers that stick out from the USB port but they stick out less that the length/height of a Chapstick. I would have preferred a full/desktop sized BT mouse that didn't break the bank but I guess I'll have to make some compromises myself! Thanks. Salman Ahmed ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 19 19:44:17 2008 From: tlug-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slackrat) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:44:17 +0100 Subject: Wireless (non-Bluetooth) mouse support In-Reply-To: <421777.81538.qm-0TFTB1ODR9iB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> (asdf's message of "Wed\, 19 Mar 2008 09\:39\:49 -0700 \(PDT\)") References: <421777.81538.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <878x0e5wj2.fsf@azurservers.com> asdf a ?crit profondement: | Are wireless (non-Bluetooth) mice supported under current Linux distributions? I am | thinking of getting a Logitech wireless mouse that uses a small 2.4GHz RF | transceiver that plugs into a USB port, but am not sure how well such a mouse would | be supported under Linux. | I have a Logitech and on my lappy it works just fine All one has to do for a lappy is fix "X11org.conf" so that it somewhet resembles this [cite] Section "InputDevice" # Identifier and driver Identifier "Mouse1" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" [/cite] and fix your "rc.local" or wherever else you might like to put sundry stuff like this [cite] # enable gpm default Special commands killall -9 gpm /usr/sbin/gpm -m /dev/mouse -t imps2 -S "" [/cite] if you want to "right-click-and-hold-it" + "left-click-fast three times" then right smartly "left-click" to give the Microsoft Three Finger Salute -- SlackRat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 19 21:38:53 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Wireless (non-Bluetooth) mouse support In-Reply-To: <495939.2955.qm-M5rHUMlkD8GB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <495939.2955.qm@web51809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <404378.65008.qm@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- asdf wrote: > --- Colin McGregor wrote: > > Small observation I do have one of the Microsoft > > wireless laptop mice to go with my laptop (smaller > > than ideal, but FAR better than the default laptop > > touch pad). With the laptop mouse the receiver is > tiny > > and stores away in a recess in the bottom of the > > mouse. With the desktop mice, the mouse is a nice > > size, but the receiver is also a lot larger. I > would > > not want to carry the desktop mouse receiver > around if > > I didn't have to... I suggest you see just how big > the > > mouse and receiver combo is before you buy... > > > > Colin McGregor > > > > I am currently using the MS Bluetooth Notebook > Mouse 5000, which works perfectly under Windows > (haven't gotten around to installing Linux on my > notebook), but is way too small for my ginormous > hands esp when I am using my notebook for an > extended period of time. I do agree that even a > small mouse is preferable to using the trackpad. > > The Logitech VX Nano has a really tiny RF > transceiver (hence the Nano in its name) but the > mouse itself isn't much bigger than the one I am > currently looking to replace. I spent over an hour > last night at a Best Buy and a FutureShop and I've > narrowed my choices down to either a Logitech MX620 > or a Logitech LX8. Both have transceivers that > stick out from the USB port but they stick out less > that the length/height of a Chapstick. > > I would have preferred a full/desktop sized BT > mouse that didn't break the bank but I guess I'll > have to make some compromises myself! Well, if you can live with a somewhat large receiver for the mouse, then you can avoid breaking the bank on the price of a mouse. The most I've ever paid for a wireless mouse was $19.99 for the Microsoft Wireless Laser Mouse 6000 ... and it came with a wireless keyboard. A few of the local PC clone shops have wireless mice for sale on a semi-regular bases for under $20, and once in a blue moon for under $10. Usually these inexpensive mice are Microsoft mice (part of the reason I've ended up using them :-) ), often the mice in question are "factory refurbished"... Still, good stuff. Some websites I would be checking on a regular basis if I were currently on the hunt for an inexpensive mouse (and willing to wait a bit for the right sale): techdirectcanada.ca/flyer/ factorydirect.ca/static/index.htm Also note, that Factory Direct does sometimes run ads in some of the free newspapers (24 Hours and Metro) that includes coupons for $ off some products (that is what I used when I bought the wireless mouse / keyboard combo. noted above...). Colin McGregor > Thanks. > > > Salman Ahmed -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 02:23:02 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Artist(s) wanted... Message-ID: <738893.51048.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> As previously noted, GTALug will have a booth at the upcoming IT360 trade show (April 7 to 9). As in past years, the plan is to have pin backed round 2.25" buttons for the volunteers helping with the booth. We would like to do something a LITTLE different with the buttons (the last two years have center around a variation on the GTALug logo found on the wiki). This year the question that has been kicked around is: Can we find someone who can tweak the logo seen on the wiki so Tux is seen holding a coffee mug? The original logo can be seen in the upper left corner of the wiki page here: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Main_Page Thanks all. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linuxdarkstar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 02:31:39 2008 From: linuxdarkstar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kamran) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:31:39 -0400 Subject: Southern Ontario IT Jobs In-Reply-To: <952199.28561.qm-PUkK9LDfIAyB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <952199.28561.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47E1CC8B.6060609@gmail.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > The Southern Ontario IT Jobs group, a group aimed at > helping IT professionals in career transition will be > having their next meeting on Thursday April 3rd, 2008 > between 7 PM and 9 PM at: Does the Southern Ontario IT Jobs group help "IT professionals" transition in or out of the "IT Profession"? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 02:40:17 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Southern Ontario IT Jobs In-Reply-To: <47E1CC8B.6060609-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47E1CC8B.6060609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <976389.52775.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Kamran wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > > The Southern Ontario IT Jobs group, a group aimed > at > > helping IT professionals in career transition will > be > > having their next meeting on Thursday April 3rd, > 2008 > > between 7 PM and 9 PM at: > > Does the Southern Ontario IT Jobs group help "IT > professionals" > transition in or out of the "IT Profession"? Well, the goal is to help IT professionals transition from one state to another state within the IT field (like from unemployment to a paying IT position or from a rotten IT job to a better IT job). Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 13:23:14 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:23:14 -0400 Subject: leasing linux laptops Message-ID: <20080320132314.GA10682@watson-wilson.ca> Does anyone know of a source in the area where one might lease a laptop that Linux will play nice with? -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 14:08:35 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: leasing linux laptops In-Reply-To: <20080320132314.GA10682-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080320132314.GA10682@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <37440.72.141.149.78.1206022115.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> OTA have a sign on their door that they rent laptops and projectors. > Does anyone know of a source in the area where one might lease a laptop > that Linux will play nice with? > > -- > Neil Watson > System Administrator for hire > http://watson-wilson.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 14:48:14 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:48:14 -0400 Subject: Re-partitioning/dual boot with Vista Message-ID: <1f13df280803200748t16e8db3fv262380c20b2dba12@mail.gmail.com> I just purchased my first new computer in four years: I'd been contemplating building a Core 2 Quad system from scratch, but after pricing it out I went with a Dell system that cost about $250 less than I would have paid to build myself. Still c2q, and sure, they cut some corners, but I didn't really want to have to put it together and I don't mind. I actually consider the built-in Intel X3100 video a bonus, as it's reported to work very well with Linux without proprietary drivers. The system comes with Vista Home Premium. I'm not planning on using it much, but I'd like to keep it. Does anyone have experience with resizing a Vista partition and dual booting? I'm hoping it's essentially the same as working with an XP system: you resize the partition using a Linux partition editor from Knoppix (or equivalent), you reboot, you install (Debian). No big deal. Any quirks to doing this with Vista? -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 14:51:04 2008 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: leasing linux laptops In-Reply-To: <20080320132314.GA10682-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080320132314.GA10682@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Mar 2008, Neil Watson wrote: > Does anyone know of a source in the area where one might lease a > laptop that Linux will play nice with? not to toot my own horn (well, ok, that's *exactly* what i'm doing :-), but: http://www.crashcourse.ca/node/4 given that i'm in K-W, it's obviously not worthwhile if you're looking for just one short term, but for the longer term or if you need a roomful for a course, i've used these for teaching linux courses in TO, and they work just fine. these were the systems used for the demo room at ontario linux fest: http://onlinux.ca/demoroom rday p.s. currently, those units have only 512M RAM but they're about to be upgraded to at least 1G. -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 14:53:26 2008 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: leasing linux laptops In-Reply-To: <20080320132314.GA10682-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080320132314.GA10682@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <452565.92585.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi, There's somebody in the Kitchener-Waterloo LUG mail list (kwlug.org) who recently bought several laptops for teaching purposes and he also offered to rent them. If you're interested I can get you his info. Regards, Fernando --- Neil Watson wrote: > Does anyone know of a source in the area where one > might lease a laptop > that Linux will play nice with? > > -- > Neil Watson > System Administrator for hire > http://watson-wilson.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > --------------------- Fernando Duran http://www.fduran.com Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 14:55:40 2008 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: leasing linux laptops Message-ID: <107738.17448.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Never mind, Robert beat me to it ;-) --- Fernando Duran wrote: > Hi, > > There's somebody in the Kitchener-Waterloo LUG mail > list (kwlug.org) who recently bought several laptops > for teaching purposes and he also offered to rent > them. If you're interested I can get you his info. > > > Regards, > > Fernando > > --- Neil Watson wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a source in the area where one > > might lease a laptop > > that Linux will play nice with? > > > > -- > > Neil Watson > > System Administrator for hire > > http://watson-wilson.ca > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > > http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > > below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > --------------------- > Fernando Duran > http://www.fduran.com > > > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of > Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > > --------------------- Fernando Duran http://www.fduran.com Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 15:13:02 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:13:02 -0400 Subject: leasing linux laptops In-Reply-To: <20080320132314.GA10682-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080320132314.GA10682@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20080320151302.GC10682@watson-wilson.ca> I need a more long term business lease. Interestingly the Lenovo sight has a big page announcing that Thinkpads are now available that are preloaded with Suse. I checked several models this morning but Windows was the only option. -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 15:14:38 2008 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:14:38 -0400 Subject: Re-partitioning/dual boot with Vista In-Reply-To: <1f13df280803200748t16e8db3fv262380c20b2dba12-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280803200748t16e8db3fv262380c20b2dba12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E27F5E.90007@rogers.com> Giles Orr wrote: > The system comes with Vista Home Premium. I'm not planning on using > it much, but I'd like to keep it. Does anyone have experience with > resizing a Vista partition and dual booting? I'm hoping it's > essentially the same as working with an XP system: you resize the > partition using a Linux partition editor from Knoppix (or equivalent), > you reboot, you install (Debian). No big deal. Any quirks to doing > this with Vista? > > I used this tutorial (that I found through a link in the Mepis forums) that shows how to use the partition resizing tools contained in Vista. Apparently Microsoft has done something fairly obtuse with Vista in that it does not react well to being resized with qtparted or gparted. Whether this is true or not I don't know, but this method worked very well. http://apcmag.com/5046/how_to_dual_boot_vista_with_linux_vista_installed_first John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 15:24:02 2008 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:24:02 -0400 Subject: leasing linux laptops In-Reply-To: <20080320151302.GC10682-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080320132314.GA10682@watson-wilson.ca> <20080320151302.GC10682@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On 20-Mar-08, at 11:13 AM, Neil Watson wrote: > I need a more long term business lease. > > Interestingly the Lenovo sight has a big page announcing that > Thinkpads > are now available that are preloaded with Suse. I checked several > models > this morning but Windows was the only option. > I know a vendor which will lease you any laptop you want, you specify what you want, he will lease it for you. Dave > -- > Neil Watson > System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 15:57:40 2008 From: andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Malcolmson) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:57:40 -0400 Subject: OT: where to buy eBox 4300 Message-ID: <1206028660.27850.1243480437@webmail.messagingengine.com> Anyone know of an Ontario or Canadian source for one of these? http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4708024578.html This is an updated version of the same hardware as the Zonbu silent, mini-PC which I have. The CPU is a passively cooled Via 500 MHz Eden. ------------------- Andrew Malcolmson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 17:47:22 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:47:22 -0400 Subject: leasing linux laptops In-Reply-To: <20080320151302.GC10682-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080320132314.GA10682@watson-wilson.ca> <20080320151302.GC10682@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <47E2A32A.5020708@utoronto.ca> Neil Watson wrote: > I need a more long term business lease. > > Interestingly the Lenovo sight has a big page announcing that Thinkpads > are now available that are preloaded with Suse. I checked several models > this morning but Windows was the only option. > I just purchased one of the T61 units. SuSE is only available in the US even though it is advertised on the Canadian site. I asked for a windows refund on vista home basic and they will not give me one. I'm rather peeved and am looking into the laws in Canada that cover bundling as they say I can only get a refund for the whole laptop, not just Windows. I intend to reject the license when I first boot the laptop. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 17:51:17 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: IT360 Planning page Message-ID: <46827.13084.qm@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just to note there is a freshly updated page on the GTALug wiki regarding planning for the IT360 show: http://gtalug.org/wiki/IT360-Planning There is a lot of room for improvement in the above page, for example: - I gather David Collier-Brown is tentatively planning booth backdrop build session tomorrow, but until I hear details of that confirmed it doesn't go on the wiki... So, on other things, the wiki can be edited, so, anyone wanting to tweak the above page, please do so... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 18:12:20 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:12:20 -0400 Subject: IT360 Planning page In-Reply-To: <46827.13084.qm-XddnEKhDJlqB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <46827.13084.qm@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47E2A904.5080501@telly.org> Hi Colin, My inability to attend the IT360 planning meetings this year have not been for lack of trying. Is there a way we can touch base this weekend, so I can find out what's happening and how I can help? Thanks! - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 18:37:11 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:37:11 -0400 Subject: leasing linux laptops In-Reply-To: <20080320132314.GA10682-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080320132314.GA10682@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20080320183711.GD10682@watson-wilson.ca> What about entry level laptops, to purchase, that come with Linux? -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 18:56:11 2008 From: fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (asdf) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: leasing linux laptops In-Reply-To: <20080320151302.GC10682-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080320151302.GC10682@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <295501.56486.qm@web51803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The ThinkPads are fairly Linux-friendly even if they don't come preloaded with a Linux distro. I bought a T61 just over a month ago and even though I haven't installed Linux on it yet, I know that it's perfectly capable of running Debian and CentOS. Salman Ahmed ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 19:05:06 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:05:06 -0400 Subject: leasing linux laptops In-Reply-To: <295501.56486.qm-/Aa2dmSvWayB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <295501.56486.qm@web51803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47E2B562.1030001@utoronto.ca> asdf wrote: > The ThinkPads are fairly Linux-friendly even if they don't come preloaded > with a Linux distro. I bought a T61 just over a month ago and even though > I haven't installed Linux on it yet, I know that it's perfectly capable > of running Debian and CentOS. Oh yeah, I don't run anything else and I researched the T61's on thinkwiki etc. to make sure that Linux would work beforehand. It's the principle of the thing that's bothering me now. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 19:15:01 2008 From: smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (=?utf-8?B?U2hlbGRvbiBNdXN0YXJk?=) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:15:01 +0000 Subject: leasing linux laptops In-Reply-To: <47E2B562.1030001-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <295501.56486.qm@web51803.mail.re2.yahoo.com><47E2B562.1030001@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <19569314-1206040503-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-255869409-@bxe037.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Well don't buy a T60, or atleast not one with a x1300, that is all I can add. Sent from my 8300 -----Original Message----- From: Jamon Camisso Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:05:06 To:tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: leasing linux laptops asdf wrote: > The ThinkPads are fairly Linux-friendly even if they don't come preloaded > with a Linux distro. I bought a T61 just over a month ago and even though > I haven't installed Linux on it yet, I know that it's perfectly capable > of running Debian and CentOS. Oh yeah, I don't run anything else and I researched the T61's on thinkwiki etc. to make sure that Linux would work beforehand. It's the principle of the thing that's bothering me now. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 21 02:28:01 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bar stools & IT360... Message-ID: <274247.7449.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just to note, earlier this evening Bill Thanis and I picked up three bar stools from one Karen Roy who gave them to me (I asked nicely on two of the freebee mailing lists :-) ). These will allow volunteers in our booth to be able to sit down and still be able to more-or-less still look most people in the eye (if we get a visit from a pro-basketball player we are in trouble ... short of standing on top of the stools...). So, that part of the IT360 is ready to roll. The stools are dark wood with a red vinyl cover on the top (in case anyone is concerned about color coordination (at the moment I bigger concerns...)). So, the stools are at my place, two could be brought down by one person on TTC. Post show, not sure what to do about the stools (would like them available for the 2009 show). I did briefly consider the idea of building a bar in my basement, set-up a proper place to store my wine bottles (both of them :-) ). More seriously, I am open to suggestions... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 21 02:50:55 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MS Windows as a mandatory option [was Re: leasing linux laptops] In-Reply-To: <47E2A32A.5020708-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080320132314.GA10682@watson-wilson.ca> <20080320151302.GC10682@watson-wilson.ca> <47E2A32A.5020708@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: | From: Jamon Camisso | I just purchased one of the T61 units. SuSE is only available in the US even | though it is advertised on the Canadian site. That seems like misleading advertising. That maybe against some law. | I asked for a windows refund on | vista home basic and they will not give me one. I'm rather peeved and am | looking into the laws in Canada that cover bundling as they say I can only get | a refund for the whole laptop, not just Windows. I intend to reject the | license when I first boot the laptop. I'm a wimp/pragmatist. On every laptop that I've bought, I maintained the Windows installation. The major purpose it served was to run Windows Update. Once in a while, I use it for BIOS or optical drive firmware flashing. Sadly, sometimes (rarely) I've used it to get working wireless. My daughter has been braver. On her Dell notebook, Windows has never been booted, not even to the point of the license. On an Acer desktop, I didn't try to use the bundled Vista for about five months. It would not boot. When I phoned support, they said that the warranty on Vista was only 90 days (the machine was warrantied for a year; the 90 days was fineprint). So I had to buy the recover DVDs for about $20. Grrr. Why have I used Vista? To play with my Apple TV, which wants to use iTunes on a server, which does not run on Linux. Damn Apple -- forcing me to use MS software. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 21 05:35:22 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:35:22 -0400 Subject: leasing linux laptops In-Reply-To: <20080320183711.GD10682-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080320132314.GA10682@watson-wilson.ca> <20080320183711.GD10682@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <47E3491A.9080105@telly.org> Neil Watson wrote: > What about entry level laptops, to purchase, that come with Linux? > That's what I was thinking. For the price of only a few months' lease, one can outright purchase a laptop that _only_ comes with Linux. http://www.canadacomputers.com/asus/EeePC/ - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gargamel.su-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 21 14:33:20 2008 From: gargamel.su-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (jing) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:33:20 -0400 Subject: question about Gnome & Nautilus Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know how to disable Nautilus's annoying feature of automatically opening a new window whenever a new mount point shows up? I find it very annoying that whenever I plug in a USB key a window will pop up. I must not be using the right google keywords because I haven't been able to find any info on changing this behaviour. -Jing -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 21 15:18:07 2008 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:18:07 -0400 Subject: question about Gnome & Nautilus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E3D1AF.2040108@golden.net> jing wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know how to disable Nautilus's annoying feature of > automatically opening a new window whenever a new mount point shows > up? I find it very annoying that whenever I plug in a USB key a > window will pop up. I must not be using the right google keywords > because I haven't been able to find any info on changing this > behaviour. > > -Jing > -- > Have you tried the removable drives and media preferences under System preferences ? John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 21 15:28:42 2008 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:28:42 -0400 Subject: question about Gnome & Nautilus In-Reply-To: <47E3D1AF.2040108-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <47E3D1AF.2040108@golden.net> Message-ID: <47E3D42A.2010300@golden.net> John Myshrall wrote: > jing wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Does anyone know how to disable Nautilus's annoying feature of >> automatically opening a new window whenever a new mount point shows >> up? I find it very annoying that whenever I plug in a USB key a >> window will pop up. I must not be using the right google keywords >> because I haven't been able to find any info on changing this >> behaviour. >> >> -Jing >> -- >> > Have you tried the removable drives and media preferences under System > preferences ? > > John > > > And there is also the open in a browser window under edit / preferences in Nautilus. HTH John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 23 12:52:05 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:52:05 -0400 Subject: Converting to shared object compilation from static (WAS: installing fung-calc on ubuntu) In-Reply-To: <200803112126.11095.amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <1204259869.11590.22.camel@aragorn> <200803112126.11095.amarjan@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1206276726.14620.19.camel@aragorn> Thanks, Andrej,for your help so far. Now at least I have a Makefile. However, when doing "make" now, it is complaining about a whole series of missing static libraries (usually the shared object exists). So far, I was able to valiantly fight through all the static lib requirements that I could by finding a source from somewhere, compiling it and installing it, until I came across a new error: It wanted libstdc++.la My conclusion is that the designer wanted a static lib for everything. libstdc++ does not appear easy to install or compile, by the gcc source documentation. I think that the easier route here would be to now try and see if it is possible to compile fung-calc using only shared objects. Has anyone had to do this, and how hard/easy is this? I don't see this as an option for ./configure. However, it does have --enable-shared, which only *builds* shared object libraries (I'm not too concerned about that). Paul King On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 21:26 -0400, Andrej Marjan wrote: > On February 28, 2008 11:37:49 pm Paul King wrote: > > I have a little problem with compiling the fung-calc source. Fung-calc > > is an online open-source graphing calculator. > > > > I do a ./configure, and I get the following message after it runs > > autoconf: > > > > checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and > > libraries) not found. Please check your installation! > > For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. > > > > Let it be said that I have Ubuntu recently recommended an update which I > > followed, regarding installing version 4 and version 4 of the "dev" > > package. There are files present under /usr/lib/Qt, and /usr/include/Qt > > also. > > So you have libqt4-dev installed, but do you have libqt3-mt-dev installed? > > fung-calc seems to require Qt3 (and optionally KDE3), which means it won't > work with Qt4. > > From your email you seem to have Qt4 development package installed and Qt3 > sourced untarred in /usr/local/src, but not built or installed. > > Try installing the Qt3 development package and see if that helps. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > � -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 23 22:42:46 2008 From: right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org (Amos H. Weatherill) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:42:46 -0400 Subject: IT360 volunteers wanted (and a wardrobe request). In-Reply-To: <205227.70608.qm-XddnEKhDJlqB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <205227.70608.qm@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey, Colin. I can attend and help out with the show on April 8th & 9th. When I asked my boss for the two days off, he as much as ordered me to attend. Looks like I'm going to be wearing a few hats at this show. Signed. Amos H. Weatherill -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Colin McGregor Sent: March 17, 2008 6:47 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: IT360 volunteers wanted (and a wardrobe request). As noted in other posts, the IT360 trade show is coming up April 7-9 and we will need volunteers to help set-up/staff/tear down the booth. Anyone who would like to help staff the booth for a few hours, please e-mail me. Booth staffing would consist of talking to people, talking about how this is a great group worth joining :-) . As for wardrobe, during the show I will be strongly encouraging "business casual". During the set-up / teardown time, we are constrained by the convention centre rules, where basicly during some hours of the 7th (set-up day) and evening of April 7th they will insist that anyone on the show floor have: - Approved construction hard hat - Aprroved steel toed construction shoes/boots Now, I think we can work inside the time limits without safety stuff, but if I know that we have persons A and B that can be sent onto the show floor during the restricted hours that could give a lot of very appreciated flexibility... The definition of approved in the above context being what ever the convention centre will tolerate (wardrobe calls that are out of my hands...). So, if you have safety gear that can pass muster with the convention centre and can help on April 7th (daytime) and/or April 9th (evening), please let me know... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: 08/03/2008 10:14 AM ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 24 14:16:33 2008 From: hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Herb Richter) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:16:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: March 25th. NewTLUG meeting: 1) Talk on Talks 2) Organization and Preferences (reminder) Message-ID: This month's NewTLUG meeting will be held Tues March 25th., at the IBM offices 3600 Steeles Ave E. **Important** This meeting is free and all are welcome, however, all attendees will be required to have a security badge. Badges should be prepared in advance. If you plan to attend, please send your name to Paul (off-list at ), preferably by Monday Mar 24. ...and please be sure to return badges to the front reception at the end of the session. Thanks: to Paul for helping NewTLUG not only by arranging for a room and hosting our meetings at IBM but also with looking after the badges. Badges: please email Paul Mora to pre-register Date and Time: Tues March 25, 7-10pm Topics: 1) Talk on Talks: Paul Mora (who *always* gives great presentations) will do a talk on "how to give a TLUG presentation", and put together a list of things to remember when giving a talk. 2) Organization and Preferences: We would like re-organize NewTLUG somewhat to better meet the needs of members. Particularly, we would like to discuss the meeting format, meeting topic selection and if we should (re)start a NewTLUG web site. We are wondering if we have been pitching topics that we think are cool, but maybe people aren't getting what THEY want out of the meetings. Perhaps we need a bigger group of "speaker seekers". A web site could be for members to post stuff, like their presentations, for meeting schedules and for posting other interesting links. Q&A: There should be lots of time for questions and answers, likely in the recent UU style format, hosted by Colin McGregor Apr?s-meet: After the meeting some will adjourn to a local coffee shop for continued discussion and general world problem solving. Location: IBM offices 3600 Steeles Ave East, north side of Steeles at Pharmacy/Esna Park (between Victoria Park and Warden) http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?mapdata=nGCyq1371PhhgCmx6Z%2b1cDMK7StVSEOC8pv6WLEwpPl4J5csVKolXMC1br3AveG47eAtFWeuZ%2bwJ2KM5Oq7LBuLnoWwdmj0b8XrxuhJWdRt2Mc4gVOIEVqcICHRlLm6XTuuZzJMzAZAf3OoErhbEoEZ9FStAjnRb7vrPmDxfzc6Dkdp3pAlh6ZFovnxcYwyt1e0eUfOZpFdN4rspAMvur8zk2XOMgoEZ6s2G1gxGZI6fILrLIfssN9UqLRPAuYnV84Fbwn7amW8Y%2fM6NeCfvcJVGtRhNNBCahqzxnGwYk6G9JBDVKNwGC7biOuwnI5nkx95wKeq%2brOPhXzRb4XSHbA%3d%3d (sorry for the wrap) Directions: Meet at the front entrance well before 7:00pm (6:30 recommended) to pickup your ID badge. At about 7:00 we'll be escorted to the auditorium. Some provision will be made for anyone arriving a little late. Parking: Free parking is available in the visitor parkade from 6:00pm to 11:00pm. --- Herb Richter Richter Equipment, Toronto, Ontario http://PartsAndService.com http://PartsAndService.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 24 15:16:28 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:16:28 -0400 Subject: leasing linux laptops In-Reply-To: <20080320151302.GC10682-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080320132314.GA10682@watson-wilson.ca> <20080320151302.GC10682@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20080324151628.GA20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:13:02AM -0400, Neil Watson wrote: > I need a more long term business lease. > > Interestingly the Lenovo sight has a big page announcing that Thinkpads > are now available that are preloaded with Suse. I checked several models > this morning but Windows was the only option. Well someone at work just got a Thinkpad T61, which so far works amazingly well with Debian (well with Debian Unstable). I think the screen is 1440x900 or something along those lines. 14.1" widescreen. intel 4965 wireless simply needs the firmware-iwlwifi package installed, along with 2.6.24 kernel package and it works perfectly. nvidia graphics works with the nvidia graphics packages in debian as well. Bluetooth, firewire, usb, etc all work fine. We haven't looked at the fingerprinter scanner although supposedly that too works with linux. So they might be more expensive, but they are quite reliable, and you probably can lease one. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 24 15:17:57 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:17:57 -0400 Subject: leasing linux laptops In-Reply-To: <19569314-1206040503-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-255869409--/2QuLrPDTHLjL2gL5RxOEzYg3SYOavFBmZ6FRVpaDsI@public.gmane.org> References: <47E2B562.1030001@utoronto.ca> <19569314-1206040503-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-255869409-@bxe037.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <20080324151757.GB20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 07:15:01PM +0000, Sheldon Mustard wrote: > Well don't buy a T60, or atleast not one with a x1300, that is all I can add. Just avoid ATI chips in general. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 24 15:37:54 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:37:54 -0400 Subject: The next big social networking tool is... Thunderbird? Message-ID: <47E7CAD2.5010702@telly.org> Interesting take... from The Economist, no less. http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10880936 Comments? - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 24 15:55:48 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:55:48 -0400 Subject: Re-partitioning/dual boot with Vista In-Reply-To: <1f13df280803200748t16e8db3fv262380c20b2dba12-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280803200748t16e8db3fv262380c20b2dba12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080324155548.GC20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:48:14AM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > I just purchased my first new computer in four years: I'd been > contemplating building a Core 2 Quad system from scratch, but after > pricing it out I went with a Dell system that cost about $250 less > than I would have paid to build myself. Still c2q, and sure, they cut > some corners, but I didn't really want to have to put it together and > I don't mind. I actually consider the built-in Intel X3100 video a > bonus, as it's reported to work very well with Linux without > proprietary drivers. > > The system comes with Vista Home Premium. I'm not planning on using > it much, but I'd like to keep it. Does anyone have experience with > resizing a Vista partition and dual booting? I'm hoping it's > essentially the same as working with an XP system: you resize the > partition using a Linux partition editor from Knoppix (or equivalent), > you reboot, you install (Debian). No big deal. Any quirks to doing > this with Vista? Not quite. Vista's new boot loader is paranoid. Any unexpected changes to the partition makes it barf. It is simple to fix using the recovery system on the install DVD, assuming you have one. Now in the case of Dell I believe they actually do include a real install DVD, unlike most OEMs. Microsoft prefers recovery discs over real install discs, but apparently Dell told them otherwise. Preferably you resize the vista partition using the disk manager inside vista (which works quite well at that job) in which case you have no issue. The only issue is that it won't resize smaller than it can without moving any files. So if a file is near the end of the partition then you won't be able to shrink it very much. I suppose a good defrag tool would help, but vista only ships with a crappy defrag tool which doesn't help. I have resized vista using partition magic and used the recovery program on a vista RC DVD image I happend to download from microsoft back when they were doing RC releases, and it fixed the boot loader of the full vista release just fine. Installing grub to the MBR works fine and vista has no issues with that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 24 15:56:35 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:56:35 -0400 Subject: Re-partitioning/dual boot with Vista In-Reply-To: <20080324155548.GC20026-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280803200748t16e8db3fv262380c20b2dba12@mail.gmail.com> <20080324155548.GC20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080324155635.GD20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:55:48AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Vista's new boot loader is paranoid. Any unexpected changes to the > partition makes it barf. It is simple to fix using the recovery system > on the install DVD, assuming you have one. Now in the case of Dell I > believe they actually do include a real install DVD, unlike most OEMs. > Microsoft prefers recovery discs over real install discs, but apparently > Dell told them otherwise. > > Preferably you resize the vista partition using the disk manager inside > vista (which works quite well at that job) in which case you have no > issue. The only issue is that it won't resize smaller than it can > without moving any files. So if a file is near the end of the partition > then you won't be able to shrink it very much. I suppose a good defrag > tool would help, but vista only ships with a crappy defrag tool which > doesn't help. > > I have resized vista using partition magic and used the recovery program > on a vista RC DVD image I happend to download from microsoft back when > they were doing RC releases, and it fixed the boot loader of the full > vista release just fine. > > Installing grub to the MBR works fine and vista has no issues with that. I think I tried using gparted as well, and it too needs fixing with the recovery system afterwards or at least did at the time. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 24 16:01:48 2008 From: phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:01:48 -0400 Subject: The next big social networking tool is... Thunderbird? In-Reply-To: <47E7CAD2.5010702-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47E7CAD2.5010702@telly.org> Message-ID: <20080324120148.cst85xfsgo4k884o@easymail.pathcom.com> ----- Message from evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org --------- > Interesting take... from The Economist, no less. Definitely interesting. I've been seeing a lot of related discussion on LiveJournal where changes of ownership have been upsetting the assumptions of people (content providers) about their relationship to those who want to make money from social networking. It seems like it would be a good time to start from zero and define features people actually want...then see how to get there. Some of the initiatives I've heard about feature: 1) User control of their own content. 2) A non-fragile scheme for making connections to other people 3) An organization/categorization/publication method 4) Utility features such as indexing, a common API.... Much or all of this may already be available, but having an easy and common interface to it would be a big step. Whether that happens in Thunderbird or as a super-RSS Firefox plugin, I don't know. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 24 16:44:13 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:44:13 -0400 Subject: The next big social networking tool is... Thunderbird? In-Reply-To: <20080324120148.cst85xfsgo4k884o-tFWc0ywIa9dhaKgzZVxdTVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <47E7CAD2.5010702@telly.org> <20080324120148.cst85xfsgo4k884o@easymail.pathcom.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Phillip Mills wrote: > ----- Message from evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org --------- > > > > Interesting take... from The Economist, no less. > > Definitely interesting. I've been seeing a lot of related discussion > on LiveJournal where changes of ownership have been upsetting the > assumptions of people (content providers) about their relationship to > those who want to make money from social networking. > > It seems like it would be a good time to start from zero and define > features people actually want...then see how to get there. Some of the > initiatives I've heard about feature: > 1) User control of their own content. A Thunderbird mailbox qualifies as such... > 2) A non-fragile scheme for making connections to other people ... But that doesn't fit with a Thunderbird mailbox ... :-( *THAT* portion of the problem wants to have some outside server that shares information fairly promiscuously to detect similarities. In the Facebook/MySpace context, the relevant similarities would be "so and so also attended school X during period Y"; for LinkedIn, do s/attended school/worked for organization/g > Much or all of this may already be available, but having an easy and > common interface to it would be a big step. Whether that happens in > Thunderbird or as a super-RSS Firefox plugin, I don't know. Part of this problem *isn't* local to your computer. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 24 17:46:38 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:46:38 -0400 Subject: The next big social networking tool is... Thunderbird? In-Reply-To: <47E7CAD2.5010702-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47E7CAD2.5010702@telly.org> Message-ID: <47E7B0BE.28940.52B5FD3@sciguy.vex.net> > Interesting take... from The Economist, no less. > > http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10880936 > > Comments? I have to gag when I read in their brief "history of the internet" that the "online media" world began with the "walled gardens" of AOL and Compuserve. I recall back then that there was an irritation among more authentic internet users that AOLusers and those others (most people picked on AOL) thought that the Internet began and ended with those "walled gardens". Mostly those walled gardens were nothing more than whatever it was their desktop interface looked like. This was at a time when the "walled garden" users and geeks were about equal in number (geeks probably outnumbering them), and Microsoft, Apple and UNIX were closer rivals. This means that the history is more accuately described as something a lot more open than a walled garden. And this would effect the narrative a bit. No, there were no social networks unless you count USENET (OK, maybe not), and email was the chief communications tool. But many people were using these limited tools forming social networks through listserves, mailing lists and the like. Outside of that, it is interesting, but I find the topic of networking to be a bit dull for me. I am experimenting with a web log, and I am finding out what a numbers game all of this is. I see people taking advantages of loopholes in the blog system to ensure that their post is always a "featured post" (yes, I use WordPress). I don't have time to play those kinds of games, though, yes, I think I know how to "game the system" for myself if I wanted. Paul King > > - Evan > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > __________ NOD32 2968 (20080324) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 24 18:01:23 2008 From: phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:01:23 -0400 Subject: The next big social networking tool is... Thunderbird? In-Reply-To: <47E7B0BE.28940.52B5FD3-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <47E7CAD2.5010702@telly.org> <47E7B0BE.28940.52B5FD3@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <20080324140123.iywu15vqw0koocwg@easymail.pathcom.com> ----- Message from sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org --------- > I am experimenting with a web log, and I am finding out what a > numbers game all of this is. I guess there's something in that for people who want social marketing rather than networking. The situation I see is people who just want to share their experience of living with a far-flung group of friends (where 'friend' is a variable position on a set of scales representing different areas of interest) using media that's beyond what we expect a list-server to handle. I have blog-style writings on-line as well as things that aren't quite so volatile such as biographical and contact information of different types, along with photos and music. Those are scattered over at least six sites at the moment, but there's nothing but information osmosis to clue someone who liked my pictures (for example) that I might also have a photography filter on another site. Especially if it's someone who has stumbled over the photos, rather than a person I know in Real Life. I seriously don't care about competitive blogging, but I'd like a more holistic way of organizing information than by content type and a better way of communicating its existence. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 24 18:19:54 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:19:54 -0400 Subject: The next big social networking tool is... Thunderbird? In-Reply-To: <20080324140123.iywu15vqw0koocwg-tFWc0ywIa9dhaKgzZVxdTVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <47E7CAD2.5010702@telly.org>, <47E7B0BE.28940.52B5FD3@sciguy.vex.net>, <20080324140123.iywu15vqw0koocwg@easymail.pathcom.com> Message-ID: <47E7B88A.25623.549D7FC@sciguy.vex.net> I think my point is that blogging shouldn't ever *be* competitive. The "numbers game" I referred to is due to people exploiting a known bug in the system by simply putting up more posts in a subject area than anyone else, resulting in the system featuring one of their posts, usually chosen randomly. And yes, Wordpress frowns upon it and are trying to work around it. After all, they are open source, and are least likely to want to act as someone's advertising agency. Anyone who wants to market themselves should look for another venue. Blogs are, as you say, a social network. If they want to advertise, they should buy ad space on WordPress. Paul King > ----- Message from sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org --------- > > > I am experimenting with a web log, and I am finding out what a > > numbers game all of this is. > > I guess there's something in that for people who want social marketing > rather than networking. The situation I see is people who just want to > share their experience of living with a far-flung group of friends > (where 'friend' is a variable position on a set of scales representing > different areas of interest) using media that's beyond what we expect a > list-server to handle. > > I have blog-style writings on-line as well as things that aren't quite > so volatile such as biographical and contact information of different > types, along with photos and music. Those are scattered over at least > six sites at the moment, but there's nothing but information osmosis to > clue someone who liked my pictures (for example) that I might also have > a photography filter on another site. Especially if it's someone who > has stumbled over the photos, rather than a person I know in Real Life. > > I seriously don't care about competitive blogging, but I'd like a more > holistic way of organizing information than by content type and a > better way of communicating its existence. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > __________ NOD32 2968 (20080324) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From spamstinksmmmkay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 24 19:02:05 2008 From: spamstinksmmmkay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (R.T.) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:02:05 -0400 Subject: The next big social networking tool is... Thunderbird? In-Reply-To: <47E7B88A.25623.549D7FC-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <47E7CAD2.5010702@telly.org> <47E7B0BE.28940.52B5FD3@sciguy.vex.net> <20080324140123.iywu15vqw0koocwg@easymail.pathcom.com> <47E7B88A.25623.549D7FC@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: IMO, the *real*, *sustainable* numbers are dictated by content (it "is king", to parrot the meme). If this "featured article" system is broken, I have a trivial solution: stop using it! Readership is usually gained via network of trust anyway. I read Joe's blog, he links to Jane's blog, I like the link, so I subscribe to Jane's blog too. (To bring this back on topic briefly, this parallels the design of git and the kernel!) Even if I'm fooled into reading some seo-hacked blog, as long as the content is garbage, I'm not coming back for seconds. Kiss. of. death. On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Paul King wrote: > I think my point is that blogging shouldn't ever *be* competitive. The "numbers > game" I referred to is due to people exploiting a known bug in the system by > simply putting up more posts in a subject area than anyone else, resulting in > the system featuring one of their posts, usually chosen randomly. And yes, > Wordpress frowns upon it and are trying to work around it. After all, they are > open source, and are least likely to want to act as someone's advertising > agency. > > Anyone who wants to market themselves should look for another venue. Blogs are, > as you say, a social network. If they want to advertise, they should buy ad > space on WordPress. > > Paul King > > > ----- Message from sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org --------- > > > > > I am experimenting with a web log, and I am finding out what a > > > numbers game all of this is. > > > > I guess there's something in that for people who want social marketing > > rather than networking. The situation I see is people who just want to > > share their experience of living with a far-flung group of friends > > (where 'friend' is a variable position on a set of scales representing > > different areas of interest) using media that's beyond what we expect a > > list-server to handle. > > > > I have blog-style writings on-line as well as things that aren't quite > > so volatile such as biographical and contact information of different > > types, along with photos and music. Those are scattered over at least > > six sites at the moment, but there's nothing but information osmosis to > > clue someone who liked my pictures (for example) that I might also have > > a photography filter on another site. Especially if it's someone who > > has stumbled over the photos, rather than a person I know in Real Life. > > > > I seriously don't care about competitive blogging, but I'd like a more > > holistic way of organizing information than by content type and a > > better way of communicating its existence. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > __________ NOD32 2968 (20080324) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 00:35:08 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:35:08 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <47804.72.141.149.78.1205378434.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122141.36451.glayng@sympatico.ca> <33262.72.141.149.78.1205377140.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122307.28286.glayng@sympatico.ca> <47804.72.141.149.78.1205378434.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <1206405308.6268.2.camel@aragorn> I have a Brother InkJet MFC640CW for which Brother (or someone at the CUPS website) provided the drivers, but the recommeneded drivers never worked. My multifunction printer is currently a paperweight, sad to say. Test pages are happily gobbled up by the drivers, but no printing ever takes place, and no error messages that I am aware of ever pops up. Paul King On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 23:20 -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > www.linuxprinters.org appears not to exist. However, this looks very useful. > > http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting > > They suggest using the Laserjet driver, which is what I found by trial and > much error. > > Much useful troubleshooting information, too. OK I'm ready for the next > round ;). > > P. > > > > I'm glad you didn't take my tongue-in-cheek posting the wrong way. > > > > I must confess before I selected the printer, I went to > > www.linuxprinters.org, > > which has a superb database indicating how well different printers work in > > Linux. It also has drivers. > > > > So the printer I selected was one that had a "no problems" review. > > > > On Wednesday 12 March 2008 22:59, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> > Maybe the problem is the distribution I'm using, Mandriva? Maybe I > >> > should have selected a Samsung instead of a Hewlett-Packard? > >> > >> I hear that Mandriva has a good printer setup system. > >> > >> These problems may have something to do with Samsung: as far as I could > >> tell their original Linux driver did not work under Suse. They have a > >> new > >> one, but that doesn't work with Ubuntu. > >> > >> On the other hand, the Samsung laser printer hardware seems very nice in > >> all other respects. > > > > -- > > there's no place like 127.0.0.1 > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > http://www.syscompdesign.com > USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > 647-839-0325 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > ? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 01:44:57 2008 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:44:57 -0400 Subject: OT: Hardware - Racks and Cisco Routers Message-ID: <47E85919.5080904@pppoe.ca> I'll be upfront: I do some work for them but I'm not involved with this. Just thought someone might be interested :-) http://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/sys/617185185.html (computers & tech) http://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/sys/617194811.html (computers & tech) If you are interested, please contact the poster directly. Regards Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 01:53:42 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:53:42 -0400 Subject: OT: Hardware - Racks and Cisco Routers In-Reply-To: <47E85919.5080904-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <47E85919.5080904@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <47E85B26.3000808@rogers.com> Meng Cheah wrote: > I'll be upfront: I do some work for them but I'm not involved with this. > Just thought someone might be interested :-) > > http://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/sys/617185185.html (computers & tech) > > > http://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/sys/617194811.html (computers & tech) > > > > If you are interested, please contact the poster directly. > I could be wrong, but that looks suspiciously like 151 Front St. W. 4th fl, north side, west end. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 02:32:15 2008 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:32:15 -0400 Subject: shakedown by chinese domain registrars ?? Message-ID: I have a commercial entity which has a domain name. Recently I've had two emails from different domain registrars in china. The story goes like this. Dear Sir We have recently received an application from xyz company in China wishing to register visible-assets.cn .... We have done our due diligence and have noticed that you have a trademark on visible- assets.com. Please email or phone us if you have objections to xyz company using your trademark. I emailed and received a reply (verbatim below) During the auditing process, we have found that Heiyee company is not the owner of the domain name "Visible-assets.com". So we e-mail to you for confirming that whether you have consigned Heiyee company to register these domain names. If you have no relationship with them. According to our working experience, there are 3 possibilities: 1. Heiyee company is a domain name investment company, they want to register these names before you and sell back to you to gain profits. 2. It may be a commercial method, Heiyee company is consigned by your competitor to register, make your clients confused. 3. Heiyee company register the domain for imitating you web. And invade some market of you or link to some illegal porno webs or sell to your competitors. Because domain name takes open registration, this is international domain name registration principle. So Heiyee company has right to register it. As a domain name registrar, we have no right to dispute their application. therefor,Government request us to audit and record the application during the process of registration. If the original owner company of the domain names have no objection for the registration, we could register the domain names for the Heiyee company.what is you opinion regarding this case? I see a possible 4th option and it is that this registrar is trying to scare me into registering the domain with them to drum up business. Anyone else seeing this happen ? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 10:15:37 2008 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:15:37 -0400 Subject: leasing linux laptops In-Reply-To: <20080324151628.GA20026-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>; from lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org on Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:16:28 -0400 References: <20080320132314.GA10682@watson-wilson.ca> <20080320151302.GC10682@watson-wilson.ca> <20080324151628.GA20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080325101537.GA1944@localhost> On Mon Mar 24,2008 11:16:28 AM Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well someone at work just got a Thinkpad T61, which so far works > amazingly well with Debian (well with Debian Unstable). [...] > Bluetooth, firewire, usb, etc all work fine. We haven't looked > at the fingerprinter scanner although supposedly that too works > with linux. How about the built in modem? (Presumably it's a winmodem of some type.) -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 14:40:05 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:40:05 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <1206405308.6268.2.camel@aragorn> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122141.36451.glayng@sympatico.ca> <33262.72.141.149.78.1205377140.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122307.28286.glayng@sympatico.ca> <47804.72.141.149.78.1205378434.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1206405308.6268.2.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: <20080325144005.GE20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 08:35:08PM -0400, Paul King wrote: > I have a Brother InkJet MFC640CW for which Brother (or someone at the > CUPS website) provided the drivers, but the recommeneded drivers never > worked. My multifunction printer is currently a paperweight, sad to say. > Test pages are happily gobbled up by the drivers, but no printing ever > takes place, and no error messages that I am aware of ever pops up. Well the few brother printers I have ever worked with were about like that. They claim to be compatible with HP such and such, except they aren't compatible with the margins so things print offset with bits cut off, etc. Crappy products is my opinion. For inkjets I stick with Epson, and for laser printers I will take a xerox with postscript built in (not the cheapest xerox winprinters). That way linux support is trivial in general (although the epsons often have to be 3 to 6 months old before gutenprint gets full support for them, but it does happen). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 14:41:59 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:41:59 -0400 Subject: shakedown by chinese domain registrars ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080325144159.GF20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:32:15PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > I have a commercial entity which has a domain name. Recently I've had > two emails from different domain registrars in china. > > The story goes like this. > > Dear Sir > > We have recently received an application from xyz company in China > wishing to register visible-assets.cn .... We have done our due > diligence and have noticed that you have a trademark on visible- > assets.com. Please email or phone us if you have objections to xyz > company using your trademark. > > I emailed and received a reply (verbatim below) > > During the auditing process, we have found that Heiyee company is not > the owner of the domain name "Visible-assets.com". So we e-mail to you > for confirming that whether you have consigned Heiyee company to > register these domain names. If you have no relationship with them. > According to our working experience, there are 3 possibilities: > 1. Heiyee company is a domain name investment company, they want to > register these names before you and sell back to you to gain profits. > 2. It may be a commercial method, Heiyee company is consigned by your > competitor to register, make your clients confused. > 3. Heiyee company register the domain for imitating you web. And > invade some market of you or link to some illegal porno webs or sell > to your competitors. > > Because domain name takes open registration, this is international > domain name registration principle. So Heiyee company has right to > register it. As a domain name registrar, we have no right to dispute > their application. therefor,Government request us to audit and record > the application during the process of registration. If the original > owner company of the domain names have no objection for the > registration, we could register the domain names for the Heiyee > company.what is you opinion regarding this case? > > > I see a possible 4th option and it is that this registrar is trying to > scare me into registering the domain with them to drum up business. > > Anyone else seeing this happen ? I have seen that too for where I work, although of course I personally have nothing to do with such things, I am just a software developer. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 14:43:22 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:43:22 -0400 Subject: leasing linux laptops In-Reply-To: <20080325101537.GA1944@localhost> References: <20080320132314.GA10682@watson-wilson.ca> <20080320151302.GC10682@watson-wilson.ca> <20080324151628.GA20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080325101537.GA1944@localhost> Message-ID: <20080325144322.GG20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 06:15:37AM -0400, Scott Allen wrote: > On Mon Mar 24,2008 11:16:28 AM Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >Well someone at work just got a Thinkpad T61, which so far works > >amazingly well with Debian (well with Debian Unstable). > [...] > >Bluetooth, firewire, usb, etc all work fine. We haven't looked > >at the fingerprinter scanner although supposedly that too works > >with linux. > > How about the built in modem? (Presumably it's a winmodem of some > type.) I have no idea. Who even looks at a modem these days? I would be surprised if it wasn't a winmodem, although it could be one of the ones for which there does exist drivers (although binary only generally). No idea. I have no idea what modem is in my wife's laptop either which also has great linux support. Maybe its modem isn't supported either. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 14:47:47 2008 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: shakedown by chinese domain registrars ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, Dave Cramer wrote: > I have a commercial entity which has a domain name. Recently I've > had two emails from different domain registrars in china. > > The story goes like this. > > Dear Sir > > We have recently received an application from xyz company in China > wishing to register visible-assets.cn .... We have done our due > diligence and have noticed that you have a trademark on > visible-assets.com. Please email or phone us if you have objections > to xyz company using your trademark. > > I emailed and received a reply (verbatim below) > > During the auditing process, we have found that Heiyee company is > not the owner of the domain name "Visible-assets.com". So we e-mail > to you for confirming that whether you have consigned Heiyee company > to register these domain names. If you have no relationship with > them. According to our working experience, there are 3 > possibilities: > 1. Heiyee company is a domain name investment company, they want to > register these names before you and sell back to you to gain > profits. > 2. It may be a commercial method, Heiyee company is consigned by > your competitor to register, make your clients confused. > 3. Heiyee company register the domain for imitating you web. And > invade some market of you or link to some illegal porno webs or sell > to your competitors. > > Because domain name takes open registration, this is international > domain name registration principle. So Heiyee company has right to > register it. As a domain name registrar, we have no right to dispute > their application. therefor,Government request us to audit and > record the application during the process of registration. If the > original owner company of the domain names have no objection for the > registration, we could register the domain names for the Heiyee > company.what is you opinion regarding this case? if the company that contacted you is truly a domain registration company in china, i would think this is incredibly unethical behaviour. AFAIK, if you're a domain registration company, and someone approaches you to register a domain, and that domain is available, and there's no clear reason to refuse, you should have an obligation to process that registration. period. i don't think it's that company's mandate to arbitrarily do a name search for similar names and contact those holders to try to warn them about anything and give them a chance to sneak in ahead. registration companies that behave that way should have their reg. authorization yanked. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 15:21:39 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: TASK - Toronto Area Security Klatch Meeting - March 26th Message-ID: <368115.99816.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just to note, the Toronto Area Security Klatch people are having their next meeting March 26th. Also note the location of this meeting is NOT were they normally hold their meeting (do pay attention to the location listed below): -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Linking in to your Security Career and Application Security Standards of the PCI- March 26, 2008 Location: Bahen Centre, 40 St. George Street, Room 1180 Topic: Linking in to your Information Security Career Speakers: Robert Beggs and Bruce Cowper One of the most popular questions on the TASK forums is: “how do I break into the security field”? Sadly, it rarely receives an answer – like any other career, it seems to be a matter of who you know, and making connections can be difficult. Tonight we’re going to look at social networking resources on the web, especially LinkedIn and Facebook, and see how we can use these as a way to meet and build professional contacts. Even those who are practicing security specialists may be surprised at how they can use these sites to develop and maintain their own “security networks”. Learn how to market your most important brand on the Internet - yourself. Topic: Application Security Standards of the PCI Speakers: Rafael Etges and Ben Sapiro Rafael Etges and Ben Sapiro will discuss the challenges in achieving Application Security Standards of the Payment Card Industries Data Security Standards (Requirement 6). Using case studies and practices drawn from secure software development methods, Ben and Rafael will explore how to start a sustainable process for building secure applications by design to mitigate risks and meet compliance requirements. Some of the topics that will be covered are: * Proving that software applications are developed per industry best practices * Assessing custom applications * Building security into an application from the start * Compliance requirements from PCI DSS, PABP and PA-DSS -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 15:27:33 2008 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:27:33 -0400 Subject: shakedown by chinese domain registrars ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <556A5315-1DC4-4707-A9CC-C474B921B395@visibleassets.com> > > if the company that contacted you is truly a domain registration > company in china, i would think this is incredibly unethical > behaviour. AFAIK, if you're a domain registration company, and > someone approaches you to register a domain, and that domain is > available, and there's no clear reason to refuse, you should have an > obligation to process that registration. period. > A good number of domain registrars are far from ethical. > i don't think it's that company's mandate to arbitrarily do a name > search for similar names and contact those holders to try to warn them > about anything and give them a chance to sneak in ahead. > registration companies that behave that way should have their reg. > authorization yanked. > and this is why I think this is a shakedown to get me to register my domain name with them. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 15:36:23 2008 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:36:23 -0400 Subject: shakedown by chinese domain registrars ?? In-Reply-To: <556A5315-1DC4-4707-A9CC-C474B921B395-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <556A5315-1DC4-4707-A9CC-C474B921B395@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <20080325153623.856F3854F5@sarg.ryerson.ca> I have a completely different take on this. I see this as a very conscientious domain registrar aware of possible scams and wanting to avoid getting their clients in trouble. The Chinese government maight also be sensitive on this point (heaven only knows they aren't on much else these days other than the Olympics) and encouraging their registrars to do some due diligence. I would write back to them, thank them for their concern, and express considerable antipathy to the idea of others registering visibleassets.??. If they write back saying they have no choice other than to offer you the right of first refusal for the visibleassets.cn domain then I might be more suspicious, depending on how much they wanted you to pay (<$10 might be reasonable, much more I'd agree they were trying to shake you down). ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 16:12:26 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: TASK - Toronto Area Security Klatch Meeting - March 26th In-Reply-To: <368115.99816.qm-57gzaD/7YRGB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <368115.99816.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <310445.5786.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Colin McGregor wrote: > Just to note, the Toronto Area Security Klatch > people > are having their next meeting March 26th. Also note > the location of this meeting is NOT were they > normally > hold their meeting (do pay attention to the location > listed below): Just to note, the meeting runs from 6 PM to 9 PM, and further details can be seen here: http://www.task.to/events/upcoming.php > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > Linking in to your Security Career and Application > Security Standards of the PCI- March 26, 2008 > > Location: Bahen Centre, 40 St. George Street, Room > 1180 > > Topic: Linking in to your Information Security > Career > > Speakers: Robert Beggs and Bruce Cowper > > One of the most popular questions on the TASK forums > is: “how do I break into the security > field”? Sadly, it rarely receives an answer > – like any other career, it seems to be a > matter > of who you know, and making connections can be > difficult. Tonight we’re going to look at > social > networking resources on the web, especially LinkedIn > and Facebook, and see how we can use these as a way > to > meet and build professional contacts. Even those who > are practicing security specialists may be surprised > at how they can use these sites to develop and > maintain their own “security networks”. > Learn how to market your most important brand on the > Internet - yourself. > > Topic: Application Security Standards of the PCI > > Speakers: Rafael Etges and Ben Sapiro > > Rafael Etges and Ben Sapiro will discuss the > challenges in achieving Application Security > Standards > of the Payment Card Industries Data Security > Standards > (Requirement 6). Using case studies and practices > drawn from secure software development methods, Ben > and Rafael will explore how to start a sustainable > process for building secure applications by design > to > mitigate risks and meet compliance requirements. > > Some of the topics that will be covered are: > > * Proving that software applications are developed > per > industry best practices > * Assessing custom applications > * Building security into an application from the > start > * Compliance requirements from PCI DSS, PABP and > PA-DSS > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 16:29:09 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:29:09 -0400 Subject: shakedown by chinese domain registrars ?? In-Reply-To: <20080325153623.856F3854F5-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <556A5315-1DC4-4707-A9CC-C474B921B395@visibleassets.com> <20080325153623.856F3854F5@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Dave Mason wrote: > I have a completely different take on this. > > I see this as a very conscientious domain registrar aware of possible > scams and wanting to avoid getting their clients in trouble. The > Chinese government maight also be sensitive on this point (heaven only > knows they aren't on much else these days other than the Olympics) and > encouraging their registrars to do some due diligence. I think you have *way* too over-trusting a perspective on this. > I would write back to them, thank them for their concern, and express > considerable antipathy to the idea of others registering > visibleassets.??. If they write back saying they have no choice other > than to offer you the right of first refusal for the visibleassets.cn > domain then I might be more suspicious, depending on how much they > wanted you to pay (<$10 might be reasonable, much more I'd agree they > were trying to shake you down). I'm suspicious of a "shakedown" right now... I have seen similar warnings, and all indications have been that it's a money grab... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 16:35:53 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:35:53 -0400 Subject: shakedown by chinese domain registrars ?? In-Reply-To: <20080325153623.856F3854F5-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <556A5315-1DC4-4707-A9CC-C474B921B395@visibleassets.com> <20080325153623.856F3854F5@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <47E929E9.7030901@rogers.com> Dave Mason wrote: > I have a completely different take on this. > > I see this as a very conscientious domain registrar aware of possible > scams and wanting to avoid getting their clients in trouble.... > > I would write back to them, thank them for their concern, and express > considerable antipathy to the idea of others registering > visibleassets.??. If they write back saying they have no choice other > than to offer you the right of first refusal for the visibleassets.cn > domain then I might be more suspicious, depending on how much they > wanted you to pay (<$10 might be reasonable, much more I'd agree they > were trying to shake you down). > Does not just about every country have their own high level domain suffix. Let's just say that there are 120. Even at $10 a pop, that adds up. I can register *.ca even if *.com is taken. So what? This seems like a money making scheme, albeit a benign one. Some Makham company used to send me renewal notices for my domains. I had never heard from them, and thy wanted $45 a pop. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 16:40:28 2008 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: shakedown by chinese domain registrars ?? In-Reply-To: <20080325153623.856F3854F5-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <556A5315-1DC4-4707-A9CC-C474B921B395@visibleassets.com> <20080325153623.856F3854F5@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Dave Mason wrote: > I have a completely different take on this. > > I see this as a very conscientious domain registrar aware of > possible scams and wanting to avoid getting their clients in > trouble. that's not their job -- their job is to register domains, nothing more. if domain registrars had the freedom to arbitrarily start contacting other organizations for whatever reason during the registration process, i can imagine some very funny games being played. say i run a linux training company called "supertux training," and i have a good buddy who works for the local domain registrar. i quietly ask him to watch for any incoming requests that might affect my business, and he does. one day, he gets a request for the domain "linuxeducation.com" for a new company in town. he quickly mentions that to me, and asks whether i want to swoop in quickly and he'll register it for me first, and that's what happens. that new company, a bit puzzled as to how a domain that was available this morning is suddenly registered this afternoon, tries again with "linuxcourses.com". same warning, same deal. quite simply, the registrar is playing favourites, which should be illegal. even with the best of intentions, that's what the chinese registrar is doing. he's taking a good-faith request for a domain registration, and letting someone else jump the queue for it. IMHO, that kind of behaviour should be grounds for revoking someone's registration privileges. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 17:25:52 2008 From: phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:25:52 -0400 Subject: shakedown by chinese domain registrars ?? In-Reply-To: References: <556A5315-1DC4-4707-A9CC-C474B921B395@visibleassets.com> <20080325153623.856F3854F5@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20080325132552.38wt6tfvkg48ossw@easymail.pathcom.com> ----- Message from rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org --------- > say i run a linux training company called "supertux training," and i > have a good buddy who works for the local domain registrar. [...] What you're describing is really a small-scale variant of the "domain tasting" that's been going on for some time. People find that domain names they've searched using registration tools consistently change from available to registered...sometimes by a 3rd party who just happens to hold hundreds of thousands of domains (until the grace period expires) and sometimes by the registrar themselves. I understand that ICANN has a payment proposal to fix the problem starting in July, but I haven't looked at that in detail. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 21:27:49 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:27:49 -0400 Subject: shakedown by chinese domain registrars ?? In-Reply-To: References: <556A5315-1DC4-4707-A9CC-C474B921B395@visibleassets.com> <20080325153623.856F3854F5@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20080325212749.GH20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:40:28PM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > that's not their job -- their job is to register domains, nothing > more. if domain registrars had the freedom to arbitrarily start > contacting other organizations for whatever reason during the > registration process, i can imagine some very funny games being > played. What their job is probably depends on the rules regulating the top level domain of their country. What rules does china have for registering domains within .cn that are already registered in other generic top level domains and are registered trademarks for companies? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 25 22:04:29 2008 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:04:29 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <20080325144005.GE20026-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122141.36451.glayng@sympatico.ca> <33262.72.141.149.78.1205377140.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122307.28286.glayng@sympatico.ca> <47804.72.141.149.78.1205378434.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1206405308.6268.2.camel@aragorn> <20080325144005.GE20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47E976ED.3050804@golden.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 08:35:08PM -0400, Paul King wrote: > >> I have a Brother InkJet MFC640CW for which Brother (or someone at the >> CUPS website) provided the drivers, but the recommeneded drivers never >> worked. My multifunction printer is currently a paperweight, sad to say. >> Test pages are happily gobbled up by the drivers, but no printing ever >> takes place, and no error messages that I am aware of ever pops up. >> > > Well the few brother printers I have ever worked with were about like > that. They claim to be compatible with HP such and such, except they > aren't compatible with the margins so things print offset with bits cut > off, etc. Crappy products is my opinion. > > For inkjets I stick with Epson, and for laser printers I will take a > xerox with postscript built in (not the cheapest xerox winprinters). > That way linux support is trivial in general (although the epsons often > have to be 3 to 6 months old before gutenprint gets full support for > them, but it does happen). > > I personally like the Samsung units. I took a ML2010 and a Netgear PS 121 printserver and made a networked printer. total cost $ 120.00 but that was 2 years ago. It is only for home office use and well kids home work though. Len I'm curious about what your take is on them. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 26 01:26:50 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <20080325144005.GE20026-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122141.36451.glayng@sympatico.ca> <33262.72.141.149.78.1205377140.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122307.28286.glayng@sympatico.ca> <47804.72.141.149.78.1205378434.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1206405308.6268.2.camel@aragorn> <20080325144005.GE20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | Well the few brother printers I have ever worked with were about like | that. They claim to be compatible with HP such and such, except they | aren't compatible with the margins so things print offset with bits cut | off, etc. Crappy products is my opinion. I find them reasonble and inexpensive. In fact, it is often cheaper to buy a new one than replace the toner cartridge with a genuine cartridge. For example: http://cty.ca/Specials_CTY_Weekly.asp $29.99 after rebate for a Brother HL 2030. (Taxes make that price not accurate.) I have not used a 2030 but I have used a bunch of other models. Cheap laser printers no longer emulate HP printers i.e. PCL is not longer the standard printer command set. This has been true for many years. For Brother HL-1435 printers. It works pretty well when I tell CUPS that it is an HL-1250. I've told the printer database maintainers this years ago but no update has appeared on my system. A year ago I bought a Brother printer that can do duplex printing (print on both sides of the page) and has BR Script (Postscript clone). $100 -- pretty hard to beat. I must admit that my own printer is an off-lease Lexmark printer that Clifford got me. He posted earlier about these printers. I don't use its token ring network interface :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 26 04:40:21 2008 From: johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Fruhwirth) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:40:21 -0400 Subject: VGA output from my laptop Message-ID: <8c9fc95b0803252140j1676726bta6c762afcbdd8f96@mail.gmail.com> Hi Colin, Thanks for offering your help in solving my problem with getting my VGA out to work. Here is what I have for the relavent sections in xorg.conf... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Section "Device" Identifier "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1" Driver "ati" BusID "PCI:1:5:0" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Generic Monitor" Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1" Monitor "Generic Monitor" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Modes "1280x800" EndSubSection EndSection ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, one of the things I learned is that I may have to replace the "ATI" driver with a thing called* fglrx *and that* aticonfig *does this for me. I also seem to have* flglrx-control *installed (a Control panel for the ATI graphics accelerators) but I don't know how to access it. It does not seem to have a GUI and if it does, I can't find it in either System-> Admin or Applications. Yes, I do know that there is a GUI in System>Admin Called Screens & Graphics but I don't know if this is the ATI control panel. I don't think it is because there is no reference to ATI anywhere in it. I also tried your suggestion of using *aticonfig *and got this back...* -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *johnfruh at eMachine:~$ aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf Uninitialised file found, configuring. Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-1 aticonfig: *Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Bad file descriptor. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Huh? What does *Bad file descriptor *mean with respect to xorg.conf? How can xorg.conf have a *Bad file descriptor?* So, again, I'm stumped. What do I do now? ...John * * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 26 10:00:13 2008 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:00:13 -0400 Subject: leasing linux laptops In-Reply-To: <20080325144322.GG20026-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>; from lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org on Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:43:22 -0400 References: <20080320132314.GA10682@watson-wilson.ca> <20080320151302.GC10682@watson-wilson.ca> <20080324151628.GA20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080325101537.GA1944@localhost> <20080325144322.GG20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080326100013.GA2736@localhost> On Tue Mar 25,2008 10:43:22 AM Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 06:15:37AM -0400, Scott Allen wrote: >> How about the built in modem? (Presumably it's a winmodem of some >> type.) > > I have no idea. Who even looks at a modem these days? I would > be surprised if it wasn't a winmodem, although it could be one > of the ones for which there does exist drivers (although binary > only generally). No idea. I have no idea what modem is in my > wife's laptop either which also has great linux support. Maybe > its modem isn't supported either. Well, at home I'm strictly on dial-up so a functioning modem would be somewhat important to me. Since most laptops don't include a serial port these days, using an external modem becomes more complicated, not to mention inconvenient. Some ISPs offer a fixed amount of dial-up time. This can be used to get you by if your high speed link is having temporary problems. In a business environment, the ability to send the occasional fax might be useful. The winmodem in my Thinkpad T22, which has a Lucent chipset, works fine with Linux. For the T61, it's possible that the following drivers may work (but for all the features, you would have to pay): -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 26 11:14:42 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:14:42 -0400 Subject: Michael Geist - Bell Secretly Throttling Wholesale Internet Services? - UPDATED Message-ID: <47EA3022.5030701@rogers.com> http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2782/125// -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 26 12:47:48 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:47:48 -0400 Subject: Michael Geist - Bell Secretly Throttling Wholesale Internet Services? - UPDATED In-Reply-To: <47EA3022.5030701-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47EA3022.5030701@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47EA45F4.8050402@utoronto.ca> James Knott wrote: > > http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2782/125// > Yesterday: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080325.wgtinternet26/BNStory Toiday (in print I think): http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080326.RINTERNET26/TPStory Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 26 13:58:44 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:58:44 -0400 Subject: shakedown by chinese domain registrars ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47EA5694.9080407@telly.org> Hello all, I've been following this thread with interest. CLUE is a registered "At-Large Structure" within ICANN and I'm fairly deeply involved in its public advisory committee. I've asked Dave for the original letters and will be seeing what ICANN can do to prevent -- or at least warn against -- this kind of practice. The Chinese registrar is likely taking advantage of widespread paranoia within the IP legal community in regards to trademarks as applied to Internet domains. There are obviously some brands that will spend whatever it takes to be registered under every top-level domain possible to prevent trademark infringement. These guys from China appear to be spreading/fueling FUD amongst smaller companies using data improperly obtained from WHOIS records etc. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 26 14:03:45 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:03:45 -0400 Subject: leasing linux laptops In-Reply-To: <20080326100013.GA2736@localhost> References: <20080320132314.GA10682@watson-wilson.ca> <20080320151302.GC10682@watson-wilson.ca> <20080324151628.GA20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080325101537.GA1944@localhost> <20080325144322.GG20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080326100013.GA2736@localhost> Message-ID: <20080326140345.GI20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 06:00:13AM -0400, Scott Allen wrote: > Well, at home I'm strictly on dial-up so a functioning modem would be > somewhat important to me. Since most laptops don't include a serial > port these days, using an external modem becomes more complicated, > not to mention inconvenient. > > Some ISPs offer a fixed amount of dial-up time. This can be used to > get you by if your high speed link is having temporary problems. The most reliable way to get a modem to work with linux on a laptop is to get a good old fashioned PCMCIA modem that works with Linux. The T61 has both a PCMCIA and an expresscard slot, much to my surprise. > In a business environment, the ability to send the occasional fax > might be useful. > > The winmodem in my Thinkpad T22, which has a Lucent chipset, works > fine with Linux. > > For the T61, it's possible that the following drivers may work (but > for all the features, you would have to pay): > Certainly some people say that it does in fact work. So there is a way to make it work (14.4 modem for free, 56k and fax for $20). It also qualifies as not supported by linux in my mind. If I needed a modem I would go find a pcmcia modem. I guess for a laptop an external modem + usb serial port is just a bit on the inconvinient side. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 26 14:19:19 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:19:19 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <47E976ED.3050804-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122141.36451.glayng@sympatico.ca> <33262.72.141.149.78.1205377140.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122307.28286.glayng@sympatico.ca> <47804.72.141.149.78.1205378434.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1206405308.6268.2.camel@aragorn> <20080325144005.GE20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47E976ED.3050804@golden.net> Message-ID: <20080326141919.GJ20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 06:04:29PM -0400, John Myshrall wrote: > I personally like the Samsung units. I took a ML2010 and a Netgear PS > 121 printserver and made a networked printer. total cost $ 120.00 but > that was 2 years ago. It is only for home office use and well kids home > work though. > > Len I'm curious about what your take is on them. They appear like junk to me. I looked at them, but found the driver support for linux appeared to be a bit of a mess, and I hate wasting my cpu cycles rendering for a printer (my athlon 700 was hopeless running an epson inkjet, so I moved the printer server job to the mythtv box with the quad 2.4ghz). I seem to recall the toner cost appeared rather high as well when I considered one of those printers a couple of years ago. It looked like a bargain to get a laser printer for that price, but after a bit of research I wasn't interested at all anymore. If I want a fast laser printer I would rather spend $450 on xomething like the xerox 6130 which is a colour laser printer, with postscript 3 and PCL6 built in. You will never have driver issues with a postscript printer, and you won't waste any cpu cycles on rendering since it has its own 333MHz CPU for the job and it has a network port built in so you don't need a seperate print server. The 6125 is host based and hence about $100 less, but that just gives you all the driver issues and inefficiencies back. I just don't print very much at home so I just stick with the cheap little epson inkjet which works quite well. I have only owned a few Samsung devices, and I have come to hate everyone of them. Two cell phones (lovely UI, terrible mechanical quality), DVD player (crashes playing many Fox releases, and it isn't just mine, a few other people I know with Samsung players have seen the exact same problem), as well as monitors at work (worst CRTs I have ever worked with). As a result the name Samsung automatically implies junk. I simply haven't met a good (never mind great) Samsung product yet. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 26 14:23:00 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:23:00 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122141.36451.glayng@sympatico.ca> <33262.72.141.149.78.1205377140.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122307.28286.glayng@sympatico.ca> <47804.72.141.149.78.1205378434.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1206405308.6268.2.camel@aragorn> <20080325144005.GE20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080326142300.GK20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 09:26:50PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I find them reasonble and inexpensive. In fact, it is often cheaper > to buy a new one than replace the toner cartridge with a genuine > cartridge. Of course often the toner cartridges that they come with are not the same ones you buy (they often contain a lot less toner). Also the print engine on many printers has to be primed (filled up) before it works, which takes a bunch of the first batch of toner, so while it may look like it is cheaper to just get another printer, it probably isn't, and certainly is bad environmentally. Now if the printer ever breaks, it is hardly worth bothering to get it fixed, unless it is under warranty in which case they probably just exchange it. > For example: http://cty.ca/Specials_CTY_Weekly.asp > $29.99 after rebate for a Brother HL 2030. (Taxes make that price not > accurate.) > I have not used a 2030 but I have used a bunch of other models. > > Cheap laser printers no longer emulate HP printers i.e. PCL is not > longer the standard printer command set. This has been true for many > years. PCL and Postscript are still the standard languages for printers that actually bother to have print engines. Winprinters on the other hand use whatever proprietary design they want and make the driver on your system do all the hard work. > For Brother HL-1435 printers. It works pretty well when I tell CUPS > that it is an HL-1250. I've told the printer database maintainers > this years ago but no update has appeared on my system. > > A year ago I bought a Brother printer that can do duplex printing > (print on both sides of the page) and has BR Script (Postscript > clone). $100 -- pretty hard to beat. > > I must admit that my own printer is an off-lease Lexmark printer that > Clifford got me. He posted earlier about these printers. I don't use > its token ring network interface :-) I would be impressed if you did. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 26 15:35:07 2008 From: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Clive DaSilva) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:35:07 -0500 Subject: Creating a mount point for Windows shares with Mandriva 2008 Message-ID: <47EA6D2B.3000502@iprimus.ca> Hello I ran into a weird problem when I upgraded my Linux box from Mandriva 2007 to 2008. Using Mandriva Control Centre, I tried to create a mount point on the Linux box for my Windows XP shares (worked fine in Mandriva 2007) to that I can attach documents to my email postings on the Linux box. The procedure keeps failing when I try to create the link in MCC. I know that Samba is running properly as I can access the shares via Konqueror with smb:\\whatever the name is\my documents. The bugzilla reporting window came up, and I reported this as a bug as apparently the Diskdrake program crashed. Have any of you Mandriva users out there had this problem? -- Clive DaSilva CMA Tel: 416-421-2480 Cell: 416-560-8820 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 26 19:19:49 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <20080326141919.GJ20026-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122141.36451.glayng@sympatico.ca> <33262.72.141.149.78.1205377140.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122307.28286.glayng@sympatico.ca> <47804.72.141.149.78.1205378434.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1206405308.6268.2.camel@aragorn> <20080325144005.GE20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47E976ED.3050804@golden.net> <20080326141919.GJ20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <59343.72.141.149.78.1206559189.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 06:04:29PM -0400, John Myshrall wrote: >> I personally like the Samsung units. I took a ML2010 and a Netgear PS >> 121 printserver and made a networked printer. total cost $ 120.00 but >> that was 2 years ago. It is only for home office use and well kids home >> work though. >> >> Len I'm curious about what your take is on them. > > They appear like junk to me. My experience with Samsung printers has been quite positive. I have a ML-2250 monochrome laser printer and a friend has a similar colour version. The print quality is fine and the cartridge that came with the thing lasted what seemed to be *for ever*, something like 2 years under light use. I just replaced the toner cartridge for about $120. Paper feeding is reliable, it almost never jams. The colour quality is fine for our purpose, which is commercial brochures. Just after I bought this one it quit and Samsung replaced it immediately and without fuss. So there is support in Toronto. As Lennart says, the Linux drivers are hopeless but it works fine when spoofed as a laserjet. I can see that there is some attraction in having postscript built in, but for this printer it's an expensive option. Having the postscript driver in software does allow updates. And at the speed of modern PCs there's not much incentive to offload the processing. So there are pros and cons to these printers, but I wouldn't call them junk. The vertically feeding HP laser that I had before this, that was the subject of a class-action suit because its paper handling was so terrible, now *that* was junk. I keep seeing them in the trash on garbage day. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 26 20:46:26 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:46:26 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <59343.72.141.149.78.1206559189.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122141.36451.glayng@sympatico.ca> <33262.72.141.149.78.1205377140.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122307.28286.glayng@sympatico.ca> <47804.72.141.149.78.1205378434.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1206405308.6268.2.camel@aragorn> <20080325144005.GE20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47E976ED.3050804@golden.net> <20080326141919.GJ20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <59343.72.141.149.78.1206559189.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20080326204626.GL20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 03:19:49PM -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > My experience with Samsung printers has been quite positive. I have a > ML-2250 monochrome laser printer and a friend has a similar colour > version. The print quality is fine and the cartridge that came with the > thing lasted what seemed to be *for ever*, something like 2 years under > light use. I just replaced the toner cartridge for about $120. Paper > feeding is reliable, it almost never jams. The colour quality is fine for > our purpose, which is commercial brochures. Well my father uses a xerox 6300N and tends to print about 25000 pages in a year. I don't believe he has ever had a page jam on it yet. Toner that runs about 8000 pages is $78. > Just after I bought this one it quit and Samsung replaced it immediately > and without fuss. So there is support in Toronto. > > As Lennart says, the Linux drivers are hopeless but it works fine when > spoofed as a laserjet. > > I can see that there is some attraction in having postscript built in, but > for this printer it's an expensive option. Having the postscript driver in > software does allow updates. And at the speed of modern PCs there's not > much incentive to offload the processing. Not all machines are fast. And why would you ever want to add more load for your CPU to do. I don't buy a fast CPU just so some cheapskate printer company can waste my CPU cycles doing what a $5 CPU could have done in the printer faster and using less power. Upgrading the firmware on the xerox printers is not difficult, although there never seems to be any reason to (I haven't seen very many updates for any of their printers). > So there are pros and cons to these printers, but I wouldn't call them junk. > The vertically feeding HP laser that I had before this, that was the > subject of a class-action suit because its paper handling was so terrible, > now *that* was junk. I keep seeing them in the trash on garbage day. The laserjet 4L (and similar) were junk. And yet people still automatically assume HP printers are amazing. Many laserjet printers worked great, some were practically indestructible (IIIP for example). Their postscript support has never been great though. It usually works, but it is amazingly slow. When xerox does postscript, it's fast (much faster than you could render it using your host CPU in most cases). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 26 23:28:54 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:28:54 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <20080326204626.GL20026-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <50289.72.141.149.78.1205371713.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122141.36451.glayng@sympatico.ca> <33262.72.141.149.78.1205377140.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122307.28286.glayng@sympatico.ca> <47804.72.141.149.78.1205378434.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1206405308.6268.2.camel@aragorn> <20080325144005.GE20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47E976ED.3050804@golden.net> <20080326141919.GJ20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <59343.72.141.149.78.1206559189.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20080326204626.GL20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47EADC36.3070206@telly.org> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> I can see that there is some attraction in having postscript built in, but >> for this printer it's an expensive option. Having the postscript driver in >> software does allow updates. And at the speed of modern PCs there's not >> much incentive to offload the processing. >> > > Not all machines are fast. And why would you ever want to add more load > for your CPU to do. I don't buy a fast CPU just so some cheapskate > printer company can waste my CPU cycles doing what a $5 CPU could have > done in the printer faster and using less power. > > [...] Many laserjet printers > worked great, some were practically indestructible (IIIP for example). > Their postscript support has never been great though. It usually works, > but it is amazingly slow. When xerox does postscript, it's fast (much > faster than you could render it using your host CPU in most cases). > I once had a Laserjet IIP (which I would put in the category of indestructible... almost). In my pre-Linux days I had purchased an add-on cartridge, called Pacific Page, which plugged in where font carts went but actually added a postscript interpreter (HP also made one). The unit I bought was part of a kit that boosted the printer's RAM as well. It was slow but worked very reliably, especially with TeX ('dvips' was always more advanced than the various "dvilj" mutations). The combo survived the transition to Linux without a hitch, but I eventually discovered that it was _far_ faster to print by removing the printer cart and using ghostscript to drive the printer's native personality. That was back when the main CPU was a Pentium 1. Now the overall system load is taxed even less. IIRC the IIP's processor was a Motorola 68000 running at some single-digit MHz, and I would assume that the printer's cartridge interface (designed mainly for font collections) wasn't particularly fast, either. I have no problem letting my computer's CPU do as much of the computing as possible, leaving the printer to the physical task of laying ink/toner on paper precisely, consistently, and inexpensively. Given the updates to Ghostscript over the years I'm glad I didn't have to do those as printer firmware upgrades. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 01:18:42 2008 From: johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Fruhwirth) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:18:42 -0400 Subject: External VGA support on my laptop Message-ID: <8c9fc95b0803261818s21ee40bbg551f73fc38ce00f9@mail.gmail.com> Hi Colin, Thanks for offering your help in solving my problem with getting my VGA out to work. Here is what I have for the relavent sections in xorg.conf... ------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section "Device" Identifier "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1" Driver "ati" BusID "PCI:1:5:0" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Generic Monitor" Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1" Monitor "Generic Monitor" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Modes "1280x800" EndSubSection EndSection ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, one of the things I learned is that I may have to replace the "ATI" driver with a thing called* fglrx *and that* aticonfig *does this for me. I also seem to have* flglrx-control *installed (a Control panel for the ATI graphics accelerators) but I don't know how to access it. It does not seem to have a GUI and if it does, I can't find it in either System-> Admin or Applications. Yes, I do know that there is a GUI in System>Admin Called Screens & Graphics but I don't know if this is the ATI control panel. I don't think it is because there is no reference to ATI anywhere in it. I also tried your suggestion of using *aticonfig *and got this back...* -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *johnfruh at eMachine:~$ aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf Uninitialised file found, configuring. Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-1 aticonfig: *Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Bad file descriptor. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Huh? What does *Bad file descriptor *mean with respect to xorg.conf? How can xorg.conf have a *Bad file descriptor?* So, again, I'm stumped. What do I do now? ...John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 03:07:19 2008 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:07:19 -0400 Subject: Michael Geist - Bell Secretly Throttling Wholesale Internet Services? - UPDATED In-Reply-To: <47EA3022.5030701-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47EA3022.5030701@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080327030719.GA24858@waltdnes.org> I'm not a P2P user, but this is the thin edge of the wedge. At http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080325.wgtinternet26/BNStory/Technology/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20080325.wgtinternet26 > Bell Canada spokesman Jason Laszlo said the company has every right > to limit the amount of bandwidth certain applications can consume > on its networks and those it rents to third-party ISPs. Bell has a partnership deal with Microsoft. As a matter of fact, http://sympatico.ca redirects to http://sympatico.msn.ca/ Put on your tinfoil for a moment. MS has enough money to make it worth while for Bell to selectively restrict Firefox, whilst letting IE go whole hog. -- Walter Dnes Stop the Squeegee Kids in Pinstripe Suits Fight SAC's Canadian internet tax http://walterdnes.wordpress.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 12:59:33 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:59:33 -0400 Subject: Michael Geist - Bell Secretly Throttling Wholesale Internet Services? - UPDATED In-Reply-To: <20080327030719.GA24858-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <47EA3022.5030701@rogers.com> <20080327030719.GA24858@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <3a97ef0803270559m76f08687hddd6cb40576d06d5@mail.gmail.com> Doesn't affect me. Bell's line-quality is such crap that I can't get a decent speed for torrents anyhow ^^ Seems to me that this whole line-rental thing is the golden-goose for Bell. They can screw the third-party ISP's and their customers with immunity. All they need to do is "provide" service, seemingly without any particular clauses as to the speed or various limitations (such as throttling) they impose upon said traffic. Good deal for Bell, crap deal for any local DSL customers though. On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > I'm not a P2P user, but this is the thin edge of the wedge. At > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080325.wgtinternet26/BNStory/Technology/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20080325.wgtinternet26 > > > Bell Canada spokesman Jason Laszlo said the company has every right > > to limit the amount of bandwidth certain applications can consume > > on its networks and those it rents to third-party ISPs. > > Bell has a partnership deal with Microsoft. As a matter of fact, > http://sympatico.ca redirects to http://sympatico.msn.ca/ > > Put on your tinfoil for a moment. MS has enough money to make it > worth while for Bell to selectively restrict Firefox, whilst letting IE > go whole hog. > > -- > Walter Dnes > Stop the Squeegee Kids in Pinstripe Suits > Fight SAC's Canadian internet tax http://walterdnes.wordpress.com > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 13:00:59 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:00:59 -0400 Subject: External VGA support on my laptop In-Reply-To: <8c9fc95b0803261818s21ee40bbg551f73fc38ce00f9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <8c9fc95b0803261818s21ee40bbg551f73fc38ce00f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0803270600s75893ebbg5443d3a5a82703df@mail.gmail.com> Maybe the path to /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesnt't exist? What about an alternate path such as /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf (source install?) or something like that? On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 9:18 PM, John Fruhwirth wrote: > Hi Colin, > > Thanks for offering your help in solving my problem with getting my VGA out > to work. > > Here is what I have for the relavent sections in xorg.conf... > > ------------------------------ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Section "Device" > Identifier "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1" > Driver "ati" > BusID "PCI:1:5:0" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Generic Monitor" > Option "DPMS" > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Default Screen" > Device "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1" > Monitor "Generic Monitor" > DefaultDepth 24 > SubSection "Display" > Modes "1280x800" > EndSubSection > EndSection > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Now, one of the things I learned is that I may have to replace the "ATI" > driver with a thing called fglrx and that aticonfig does this for me. > I also seem to have flglrx-control installed (a Control panel for the ATI > graphics accelerators) but I don't know how to access it. > It does not seem to have a GUI and if it does, I can't find it in either > System-> Admin or Applications. > > Yes, I do know that there is a GUI in System>Admin Called Screens & Graphics > but I don't know if this is the ATI control panel. I don't think it is > because there is no reference to ATI anywhere in it. > > I also tried your suggestion of using aticonfig and got this back... > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > johnfruh at eMachine:~$ aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf > Uninitialised file found, configuring. > Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf > Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-1 > aticonfig: Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Bad file descriptor. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Huh? What does Bad file descriptor mean with respect to xorg.conf? How can > xorg.conf have a Bad file descriptor? > So, again, I'm stumped. What do I do now? > > ...John -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 13:50:32 2008 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:50:32 -0400 Subject: Creating a mount point for Windows shares with Mandriva 2008 In-Reply-To: <47EA6D2B.3000502-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <47EA6D2B.3000502@iprimus.ca> Message-ID: <200803270950.32950.glayng@sympatico.ca> I use Mandriva 2007, and haven't had the issue of creating a mount point for my Windows XP sector. Ever since I first installed Mandrake 9.0 many years ago, it's been successfully showing, and in each upgrade since. I'm sorry I'm not able to provide you with any assistance there. On Wednesday 26 March 2008 11:35, Clive DaSilva wrote: > Hello > > I ran into a weird problem when I upgraded my Linux box from Mandriva > 2007 to 2008. Using Mandriva Control Centre, I tried to create a mount > point on the Linux box for my Windows XP shares (worked fine in Mandriva > 2007) to that I can attach documents to my email postings on the Linux > box. The procedure keeps failing when I try to create the link in MCC. I > know that Samba is running properly as I can access the shares via > Konqueror with smb:\\whatever the name is\my documents. > The bugzilla reporting window came up, and I reported this as a bug as > apparently the Diskdrake program crashed. > > Have any of you Mandriva users out there had this problem? -- there's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 14:12:18 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:12:18 -0400 Subject: Linux Printing: Still Awful After All These Years In-Reply-To: <47EADC36.3070206-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <33262.72.141.149.78.1205377140.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200803122307.28286.glayng@sympatico.ca> <47804.72.141.149.78.1205378434.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1206405308.6268.2.camel@aragorn> <20080325144005.GE20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47E976ED.3050804@golden.net> <20080326141919.GJ20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <59343.72.141.149.78.1206559189.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20080326204626.GL20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47EADC36.3070206@telly.org> Message-ID: <20080327141218.GM20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 07:28:54PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I once had a Laserjet IIP (which I would put in the category of > indestructible... almost). > > In my pre-Linux days I had purchased an add-on cartridge, called Pacific > Page, which plugged in where font carts went but actually added a > postscript interpreter (HP also made one). The unit I bought was part of > a kit that boosted the printer's RAM as well. It was slow but worked > very reliably, especially with TeX ('dvips' was always more advanced > than the various "dvilj" mutations). The combo survived the transition > to Linux without a hitch, but I eventually discovered that it was _far_ > faster to print by removing the printer cart and using ghostscript to > drive the printer's native personality. > > That was back when the main CPU was a Pentium 1. Now the overall system > load is taxed even less. IIRC the IIP's processor was a Motorola 68000 > running at some single-digit MHz, and I would assume that the printer's > cartridge interface (designed mainly for font collections) wasn't > particularly fast, either. HP's postscript has always been awful slow. I have seen an HP printer (large format) take 45 minutes to render a postscript file before starting to print. HP probably has the most underpowered printers made in terms of their print engine rendering speed. Of course HP thinks the host should do a lot of the work and hence use PCL instead so what do they care if postscript is slow. Just because HP can't do it right, doesn't mean postscript done by the printer isn't a better idea. HP printers, while certainly not crap in most cases (except their cheap printers), are highly overrated. You can get far better elsewhere. > I have no problem letting my computer's CPU do as much of the computing > as possible, leaving the printer to the physical task of laying > ink/toner on paper precisely, consistently, and inexpensively. Given the > updates to Ghostscript over the years I'm glad I didn't have to do those > as printer firmware upgrades. Given the bugs in ghostscript over the years (it took me over a year to get a fix to a bug that was two lines long, and obvious, and written by a ghostscript developer into ghostscript), I would rather not have to rely on it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 14:13:25 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:13:25 -0400 Subject: External VGA support on my laptop In-Reply-To: <8c9fc95b0803261818s21ee40bbg551f73fc38ce00f9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <8c9fc95b0803261818s21ee40bbg551f73fc38ce00f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080327141325.GN20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 09:18:42PM -0400, John Fruhwirth wrote: > Hi Colin, > > Thanks for offering your help in solving my problem with getting my VGA out > to work. > > Here is what I have for the relavent sections in xorg.conf... > > ------------------------------ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Section "Device" > Identifier "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1" > Driver "ati" > BusID "PCI:1:5:0" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Generic Monitor" > Option "DPMS" > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Default Screen" > Device "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1" > Monitor "Generic Monitor" > DefaultDepth 24 > SubSection "Display" > Modes "1280x800" > EndSubSection > EndSection > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Now, one of the things I learned is that I may have to replace the "ATI" > driver with a thing called* fglrx *and that* aticonfig *does this for me. > I also seem to have* flglrx-control *installed (a Control panel for the ATI > graphics accelerators) but I don't know how to access it. > It does not seem to have a GUI and if it does, I can't find it in either > System-> Admin or Applications. > > Yes, I do know that there is a GUI in System>Admin Called Screens & Graphics > but I don't know if this is the ATI control panel. I don't think it is > because there is no reference to ATI anywhere in it. > > I also tried your suggestion of using *aticonfig *and got this back...* > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > *johnfruh at eMachine:~$ aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf > Uninitialised file found, configuring. > Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf > Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-1 > aticonfig: *Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Bad file descriptor. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > *Huh? What does *Bad file descriptor *mean with respect to xorg.conf? How > can xorg.conf have a *Bad file descriptor?* > So, again, I'm stumped. What do I do now? Maybe you are not root. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 14:15:59 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:15:59 -0400 Subject: Creating a mount point for Windows shares with Mandriva 2008 In-Reply-To: <47EA6D2B.3000502-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <47EA6D2B.3000502@iprimus.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0803270715o5f2dec3eide3aacdf255395c@mail.gmail.com> Just a little confused here. Is this a mountpoint on your 'nix box to mount shares from an XP box (windows share mounted on 'nix) Or a samba mountpoint to mount on the XP box (samba share mounted on XP)? Looks like it's the first one, but I'm just checking. In that case, how about if you mount+browser manually from console (mount -t smbs) or via something like sm4k? On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Clive DaSilva wrote: > Hello > > I ran into a weird problem when I upgraded my Linux box from Mandriva > 2007 to 2008. Using Mandriva Control Centre, I tried to create a mount > point on the Linux box for my Windows XP shares (worked fine in Mandriva > 2007) to that I can attach documents to my email postings on the Linux > box. The procedure keeps failing when I try to create the link in MCC. I > know that Samba is running properly as I can access the shares via > Konqueror with smb:\\whatever the name is\my documents. > The bugzilla reporting window came up, and I reported this as a bug as > apparently the Diskdrake program crashed. > > Have any of you Mandriva users out there had this problem? > > -- > Clive DaSilva CMA > Tel: 416-421-2480 > Cell: 416-560-8820 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 14:48:08 2008 From: johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Fruhwirth) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:48:08 -0400 Subject: External VGA support on my laptop In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0803270600s75893ebbg5443d3a5a82703df-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <8c9fc95b0803261818s21ee40bbg551f73fc38ce00f9@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef0803270600s75893ebbg5443d3a5a82703df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c9fc95b0803270748v2496aeedi3aee9c8a2406416@mail.gmail.com> Hi Tyler, Thanks for your input on this. If your guess, that "Maybe the path to /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't exist", is true, then we would have to explain why aticonfig was able to save a backup of it. after all, it reported that it was "*Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf"* And that it *"Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-1"* Wouldn't you agree? It's the last message that gets me! *"aticonfig: Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Bad file descriptor." *What could "*Bad file descriptor*" mean? And, if it is bad, how can it be fixed? ...John On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Maybe the path to /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesnt't exist? What about an > alternate path such as /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf (source install?) > or something like that? > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 9:18 PM, John Fruhwirth > wrote: > > Hi Colin, > > > > Thanks for offering your help in solving my problem with getting my VGA > out > > to work. > > > > Here is what I have for the relavent sections in xorg.conf... > > > > ------------------------------ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Section "Device" > > Identifier "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1" > > Driver "ati" > > BusID "PCI:1:5:0" > > EndSection > > > > Section "Monitor" > > Identifier "Generic Monitor" > > Option "DPMS" > > EndSection > > > > Section "Screen" > > Identifier "Default Screen" > > Device "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1" > > Monitor "Generic Monitor" > > DefaultDepth 24 > > SubSection "Display" > > Modes "1280x800" > > EndSubSection > > EndSection > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Now, one of the things I learned is that I may have to replace the "ATI" > > driver with a thing called fglrx and that aticonfig does this for me. > > I also seem to have flglrx-control installed (a Control panel for the > ATI > > graphics accelerators) but I don't know how to access it. > > It does not seem to have a GUI and if it does, I can't find it in > either > > System-> Admin or Applications. > > > > Yes, I do know that there is a GUI in System>Admin Called Screens & > Graphics > > but I don't know if this is the ATI control panel. I don't think it is > > because there is no reference to ATI anywhere in it. > > > > I also tried your suggestion of using aticonfig and got this back... > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > johnfruh at eMachine:~$ aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf > > Uninitialised file found, configuring. > > Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-1 > > aticonfig: Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Bad file descriptor. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Huh? What does Bad file descriptor mean with respect to xorg.conf? How > can > > xorg.conf have a Bad file descriptor? > > So, again, I'm stumped. What do I do now? > > > > ...John > > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2 > (647) 302-0942 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From gargamel.su-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 15:11:24 2008 From: gargamel.su-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (jing) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:11:24 -0400 Subject: External VGA support on my laptop In-Reply-To: <8c9fc95b0803261818s21ee40bbg551f73fc38ce00f9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <8c9fc95b0803261818s21ee40bbg551f73fc38ce00f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi John, On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 9:18 PM, John Fruhwirth wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > johnfruh at eMachine:~$ aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf > Uninitialised file found, configuring. > Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf > Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-1 > aticonfig: Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Bad file descriptor. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Huh? What does Bad file descriptor mean with respect to xorg.conf? How can > xorg.conf have a Bad file descriptor? > So, again, I'm stumped. What do I do now? >From your cut&paste, it appears that you were not root when attempting to run the aticonfig utility. The fact that it claims it was able to do the backup may or may not be true. It's possible the script or program was sloppy with its error checking. >From a console, try becoming root first, list the contents of /etc/X11/ and then re-run the aticonfig. from terminal: su - ls -l /etc/X11 aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf cut & paste the output to the list if it still doesn't work. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 16:19:06 2008 From: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Clive DaSilva) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:19:06 -0500 Subject: Creating a mount point for Windows shares with Mandriva 2008 In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0803270715o5f2dec3eide3aacdf255395c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47EA6D2B.3000502@iprimus.ca> <3a97ef0803270715o5f2dec3eide3aacdf255395c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EBC8FA.6070002@iprimus.ca> The problem is in trying to create a mountpoint on the nix box to access WinXP shares. That way I can attach resumes, etc stored in My Documents on the WinXP box to my emails on the nix box. This problem has been reported my more than a few people. Apparently its a Perl problem within Drakconf and the guys who fix bugs with Mandriva are working on it right now. In case any of you are interested its listed as Bug #34505 at qa.mandrivalinux.com. Thanks for your comments Tyler Aviss wrote: > Just a little confused here. > Is this a mountpoint on your 'nix box to mount shares from an XP box > (windows share mounted on 'nix) > Or a samba mountpoint to mount on the XP box (samba share mounted on XP)? > > Looks like it's the first one, but I'm just checking. In that case, > how about if you mount+browser manually from console (mount -t smbs) > or via something like sm4k? > > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Clive DaSilva wrote: > >> Hello >> >> I ran into a weird problem when I upgraded my Linux box from Mandriva >> 2007 to 2008. Using Mandriva Control Centre, I tried to create a mount >> point on the Linux box for my Windows XP shares (worked fine in Mandriva >> 2007) to that I can attach documents to my email postings on the Linux >> box. The procedure keeps failing when I try to create the link in MCC. I >> know that Samba is running properly as I can access the shares via >> Konqueror with smb:\\whatever the name is\my documents. >> The bugzilla reporting window came up, and I reported this as a bug as >> apparently the Diskdrake program crashed. >> >> Have any of you Mandriva users out there had this problem? >> >> -- >> Clive DaSilva CMA >> Tel: 416-421-2480 >> Cell: 416-560-8820 >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> > > > > -- Clive DaSilva CMA Tel: 416-421-2480 Cell: 416-560-8820 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 15:28:19 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:28:19 -0400 Subject: Creating a mount point for Windows shares with Mandriva 2008 In-Reply-To: <47EBC8FA.6070002-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <47EA6D2B.3000502@iprimus.ca> <3a97ef0803270715o5f2dec3eide3aacdf255395c@mail.gmail.com> <47EBC8FA.6070002@iprimus.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0803270828t7f4e31ddr19921984219dd151@mail.gmail.com> In that case, you should still be able to manually create the mount or use another tool until the Mandrake team gets to fixing the bug then? It might be useful to use something like automount to mount it on-access if it's a folder you use on a regular basis. On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Clive DaSilva wrote: > The problem is in trying to create a mountpoint on the nix box to access > WinXP shares. That way I can attach resumes, etc stored in My Documents > on the WinXP box to my emails on the nix box. This problem has been > reported my more than a few people. Apparently its a Perl problem within > Drakconf and the guys who fix bugs with Mandriva are working on it right > now. In case any of you are interested its listed as Bug #34505 at > qa.mandrivalinux.com. > > Thanks for your comments > > > > > > Tyler Aviss wrote: > > Just a little confused here. > > Is this a mountpoint on your 'nix box to mount shares from an XP box > > (windows share mounted on 'nix) > > Or a samba mountpoint to mount on the XP box (samba share mounted on XP)? > > > > Looks like it's the first one, but I'm just checking. In that case, > > how about if you mount+browser manually from console (mount -t smbs) > > or via something like sm4k? > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Clive DaSilva wrote: > > > >> Hello > >> > >> I ran into a weird problem when I upgraded my Linux box from Mandriva > >> 2007 to 2008. Using Mandriva Control Centre, I tried to create a mount > >> point on the Linux box for my Windows XP shares (worked fine in Mandriva > >> 2007) to that I can attach documents to my email postings on the Linux > >> box. The procedure keeps failing when I try to create the link in MCC. I > >> know that Samba is running properly as I can access the shares via > >> Konqueror with smb:\\whatever the name is\my documents. > >> The bugzilla reporting window came up, and I reported this as a bug as > >> apparently the Diskdrake program crashed. > >> > >> Have any of you Mandriva users out there had this problem? > >> > >> -- > >> Clive DaSilva CMA > >> Tel: 416-421-2480 > >> Cell: 416-560-8820 > >> > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Clive DaSilva CMA > Tel: 416-421-2480 > Cell: 416-560-8820 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 15:41:27 2008 From: johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Fruhwirth) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:41:27 -0400 Subject: External VGA support on my laptop In-Reply-To: References: <8c9fc95b0803261818s21ee40bbg551f73fc38ce00f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c9fc95b0803270841h2ac35f51u4cc110fc55610a38@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jing, Thanks for your interest in my problem. You were *right,* I was not running aticonfig under super user. There was no indication that I had to do it this way. Anyway, I can confirm that the backup was indeed sucesssful. So, that path to /etc/X11/ is definitely not the problem. I have just re-executed aticonfig as super user with the following poor result ending in an abort... johnfruh at eMachine:~$ sudo aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf [sudo] password for johnfruh: Uninitialised file found, configuring. Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-1 *** glibc detected *** aticonfig: munmap_chunk():* invalid pointer: 0xbfd619d9 **** ======= Backtrace: ========= /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(cfree+0x1bb)[0xb7ce492b] aticonfig[0x805c5c7] aticonfig[0x805c875] aticonfig[0x8054528] aticonfig[0x804985e] aticonfig[0x80496cb] /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe0)[0xb7c8d050] aticonfig[0x8049601] ======= Memory map: ======== 08048000-08067000 r-xp 00000000 03:01 2801892 /usr/bin/aticonfig 08067000-0806a000 rw-p 0001e000 03:01 2801892 /usr/bin/aticonfig 0806a000-0808b000 rw-p 0806a000 00:00 0 [heap] b7c69000-b7c6a000 rw-p b7c69000 00:00 0 b7c6a000-b7c6c000 r-xp 00000000 03:01 5144696 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl- 2.6.1.so b7c6c000-b7c6e000 rw-p 00001000 03:01 5144696 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl- 2.6.1.so b7c6e000-b7c72000 r-xp 00000000 03:01 180583 /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6.0.0 b7c72000-b7c73000 rw-p 00003000 03:01 180583 /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6.0.0 b7c73000-b7c75000 r-xp 00000000 03:01 180349 /usr/lib/libXau.so.6.0.0 b7c75000-b7c76000 rw-p 00001000 03:01 180349 /usr/lib/libXau.so.6.0.0 b7c76000-b7c77000 rw-p b7c76000 00:00 0 b7c77000-b7dbb000 r-xp 00000000 03:01 5144693 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc- 2.6.1.so b7dbb000-b7dbc000 r--p 00143000 03:01 5144693 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc- 2.6.1.so b7dbc000-b7dbe000 rw-p 00144000 03:01 5144693 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc- 2.6.1.so b7dbe000-b7dc1000 rw-p b7dbe000 00:00 0 b7dc1000-b7de4000 r-xp 00000000 03:01 5144697 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libm- 2.6.1.so b7de4000-b7de6000 rw-p 00023000 03:01 5144697 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libm- 2.6.1.so b7de6000-b7ed3000 r-xp 00000000 03:01 180710 /usr/lib/libX11.so.6.2.0 b7ed3000-b7ed7000 rw-p 000ed000 03:01 180710 /usr/lib/libX11.so.6.2.0 b7ed7000-b7ee4000 r-xp 00000000 03:01 181962 /usr/lib/libXext.so.6.4.0 b7ee4000-b7ee5000 rw-p 0000d000 03:01 181962 /usr/lib/libXext.so.6.4.0 b7ee5000-b7eec000 r-xp 00000000 03:01 180750 /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1.3.0 b7eec000-b7eed000 rw-p 00006000 03:01 180750 /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1.3.0 b7eed000-b7ef2000 r-xp 00000000 03:01 181500 /usr/lib/libXrandr.so.2.1.0 b7ef2000-b7ef3000 rw-p 00005000 03:01 181500 /usr/lib/libXrandr.so.2.1.0 b7ef3000-b7ef4000 rw-p b7ef3000 00:00 0 b7ef7000-b7f01000 r-xp 00000000 03:01 5111815 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 b7f01000-b7f02000 rw-p 0000a000 03:01 5111815 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 b7f02000-b7f04000 rw-p b7f02000 00:00 0 b7f04000-b7f1e000 r-xp 00000000 03:01 5111812 /lib/ld-2.6.1.so b7f1e000-b7f20000 rw-p 00019000 03:01 5111812 /lib/ld-2.6.1.so bfd4d000-bfd62000 rw-p bfd4d000 00:00 0 [stack] ffffe000-fffff000 r-xp 00000000 00:00 0 [vdso] Aborted johnfruh at eMachine:~$ On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:11 AM, jing wrote: > Hi John, > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 9:18 PM, John Fruhwirth > wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > johnfruh at eMachine:~$ aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf > > Uninitialised file found, configuring. > > Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-1 > > aticonfig: Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Bad file descriptor. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Huh? What does Bad file descriptor mean with respect to xorg.conf? How > can > > xorg.conf have a Bad file descriptor? > > So, again, I'm stumped. What do I do now? > > From your cut&paste, it appears that you were not root when attempting > to run the aticonfig utility. The fact that it claims it was able to > do the backup may or may not be true. It's possible the script or > program was sloppy with its error checking. > > From a console, try becoming root first, list the contents of > /etc/X11/ and then re-run the aticonfig. > from terminal: > su - > ls -l /etc/X11 > aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf > > cut & paste the output to the list if it still doesn't work. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 17:37:06 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:37:06 -0400 Subject: acanac pricing / support / service In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880803271025u8ef1c1ej2cad12aa2acff34f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880803271025u8ef1c1ej2cad12aa2acff34f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080327173706.GO20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:25:57PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I heard a couple of you guys are using acanac, how is the service for > torrents / downloading for you after the trial period? > > I'm thinking of saving like 12 bucks a month myself :) Well based on the recent news of what Bell is doing to the DSL network, the torrent support will probably become very bad real soon. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 17:45:45 2008 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:45:45 -0400 Subject: Creating a mount point for Windows shares with Mandriva 2008 In-Reply-To: <47EBC8FA.6070002-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <47EA6D2B.3000502@iprimus.ca> <3a97ef0803270715o5f2dec3eide3aacdf255395c@mail.gmail.com> <47EBC8FA.6070002@iprimus.ca> Message-ID: <200803271345.45961.dbmacg@look.ca> I am ahaving some difficulty replicating your problem. I am running Mandriva 2008.1RC2 and as a rule I try to stay as far away from MS software as possible. But, I have just used MCC to set up mount points for wxp shares without difficulty. Seems to work fine. What should have failed? -- Duncan MacGregor --- Toronto --- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 17:49:54 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:49:54 -0400 Subject: acanac pricing / support / service In-Reply-To: <20080327173706.GO20026-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880803271025u8ef1c1ej2cad12aa2acff34f@mail.gmail.com> <20080327173706.GO20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0803271049u51d33694i3f833a92585bc6b5@mail.gmail.com> That applies to anything on DSL though... which leaves, well, not a whole lot of other options :-( On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:25:57PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > I heard a couple of you guys are using acanac, how is the service for > > torrents / downloading for you after the trial period? > > > > I'm thinking of saving like 12 bucks a month myself :) > > Well based on the recent news of what Bell is doing to the DSL network, > the torrent support will probably become very bad real soon. > > -- > Len Sorensen > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 18:08:41 2008 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:08:41 -0400 Subject: acanac pricing / support / service In-Reply-To: <20080327173706.GO20026-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880803271025u8ef1c1ej2cad12aa2acff34f@mail.gmail.com> <20080327173706.GO20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47EBE2A9.1050501@dinamis.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:25:57PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> >> I heard a couple of you guys are using acanac, how is the service for >> torrents / downloading for you after the trial period? >> >> I'm thinking of saving like 12 bucks a month myself :) > > Well based on the recent news of what Bell is doing to the DSL network, > the torrent support will probably become very bad real soon. Apparently, use of any encrypted protocols on the Bell network will result in the entire connection being throttled. Rogers, as odious an ISP as it is, is not doing deep packet inspection for the time being. Now that Bell has jumped first, the field is now clear for Rogers to do what Bell is doing so even if you don't care about BitTorrent, I believe you will eventually be subjected to reduced service from Rogers if you use ssh/scp/sftp/ssl. It is only a matter of time. Rogers and Bell have an oligopoly and as such, they are behaving predictably and rationally. They could not get away with this if there were real competition. We need control of the last mile. I have made inquiries about dark fiber with the aim of starting a community fiber project but I have not found pricing that makes any semblance of sense, certainly nothing like the pricing one can find in the U.S., parts of Europe, or South Korea. We are going to become a backwater on the Internet if Rogers and Bell are allowed unfettered control of the market. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 19:13:42 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:13:42 -0400 Subject: acanac pricing / support / service In-Reply-To: <47EBE2A9.1050501-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880803271025u8ef1c1ej2cad12aa2acff34f@mail.gmail.com> <20080327173706.GO20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47EBE2A9.1050501@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880803271213p3f4fba02pbd4d761cc919a60e@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys, The reason why I switched to My Current provider was BECAUSE rogers was capping SSH too :) I had so many issues with rogers throttling encyrption traffic as well. On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:08 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:25:57PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: > >> Hi Guys, > >> > >> I heard a couple of you guys are using acanac, how is the service for > >> torrents / downloading for you after the trial period? > >> > >> I'm thinking of saving like 12 bucks a month myself :) > > > > Well based on the recent news of what Bell is doing to the DSL network, > > the torrent support will probably become very bad real soon. > > Apparently, use of any encrypted protocols on the Bell network will > result in the entire connection being throttled. Rogers, as odious an > ISP as it is, is not doing deep packet inspection for the time being. > Now that Bell has jumped first, the field is now clear for Rogers to do > what Bell is doing so even if you don't care about BitTorrent, I believe > you will eventually be subjected to reduced service from Rogers if you > use ssh/scp/sftp/ssl. It is only a matter of time. > > Rogers and Bell have an oligopoly and as such, they are behaving > predictably and rationally. They could not get away with this if there > were real competition. We need control of the last mile. I have made > inquiries about dark fiber with the aim of starting a community fiber > project but I have not found pricing that makes any semblance of sense, > certainly nothing like the pricing one can find in the U.S., parts of > Europe, or South Korea. We are going to become a backwater on the > Internet if Rogers and Bell are allowed unfettered control of the market. > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis Corporation > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The man who is always a newbie at something, Dave Germiquet Everytime I learn something new, I realize I know very little. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gargamel.su-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 19:25:49 2008 From: gargamel.su-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (jing) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:25:49 -0400 Subject: External VGA support on my laptop In-Reply-To: <8c9fc95b0803270841h2ac35f51u4cc110fc55610a38-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <8c9fc95b0803261818s21ee40bbg551f73fc38ce00f9@mail.gmail.com> <8c9fc95b0803270841h2ac35f51u4cc110fc55610a38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:41 AM, John Fruhwirth wrote: > I have just re-executed aticonfig as super user with the following poor > result ending in an abort... > > johnfruh at eMachine:~$ sudo aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf > [sudo] password for johnfruh: > > Uninitialised file found, configuring. > Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf > Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-1 > > *** glibc detected *** aticonfig: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: > 0xbfd619d9 *** YIKES! Well, sorry but I think that's the end of what I can do to help. The only two other suggestions I can try to offer are: - try rebooting your system in single-user mode with NO X and retry running the aticonfig. Maybe the utility is trying to maniupulate or probe memory that is causing interference with X and borking. - try blacklisting all ATI and related graphics drivers and reboot. This way no interfering modules are loaded which may cause probes from the utility to fail and die. You can find the modules that are loaded by doing 'lsmod' as superuser. You can find out what the modules are by using 'modinfo'. Finally, depending on your system, you can typically blacklist modules by sticking them inside the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file. - Finally, without an ATI card, I can't really try it out to compare results. A google of "aticonfig: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer" showed quite a few results so you might want to browse some of them to see if any apply to your system. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 19:32:36 2008 From: johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Fruhwirth) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:32:36 -0400 Subject: External VGA support on my laptop In-Reply-To: References: <8c9fc95b0803261818s21ee40bbg551f73fc38ce00f9@mail.gmail.com> <8c9fc95b0803270841h2ac35f51u4cc110fc55610a38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c9fc95b0803271232g75d61ab7m52a30fa6ea797c6@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Jing, much appreciated. ...John On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:25 PM, jing wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:41 AM, John Fruhwirth > wrote: > > I have just re-executed aticonfig as super user with the following poor > > result ending in an abort... > > > > johnfruh at eMachine:~$ sudo aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf > > [sudo] password for johnfruh: > > > > Uninitialised file found, configuring. > > Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-1 > > > > *** glibc detected *** aticonfig: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: > > 0xbfd619d9 *** > > YIKES! Well, sorry but I think that's the end of what I can do to > help. The only two other suggestions I can try to offer are: > > - try rebooting your system in single-user mode with NO X and retry > running the aticonfig. Maybe the utility is trying to maniupulate or > probe memory that is causing interference with X and borking. > > - try blacklisting all ATI and related graphics drivers and reboot. > This way no interfering modules are loaded which may cause probes from > the utility to fail and die. You can find the modules that are loaded > by doing 'lsmod' as superuser. You can find out what the modules are > by using 'modinfo'. Finally, depending on your system, you can > typically blacklist modules by sticking them inside the > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file. > > - Finally, without an ATI card, I can't really try it out to compare > results. A google of "aticonfig: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer" > showed quite a few results so you might want to browse some of them to > see if any apply to your system. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 19:37:08 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:37:08 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons Message-ID: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> At the last NewTLUG meeting someone mentioned the frustration of not being able to map the middle mouse under GNOME. The first reply was "why would you want to do that"? The attitude behind such replies seem to be at the heart of Linus Torvalds' traditional dislike of GNOME and preference for KDE, re-articulated recently (and actually using the mouse issue as an example!): http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8745257437.html Interesting reading. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 19:56:32 2008 From: johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Fruhwirth) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:56:32 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <47EBF764.5010605-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> Message-ID: <8c9fc95b0803271256g29abc6dbx9de8516df1ce74a9@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Evan, distro of Linux I happen to be the guy who brought this issue up at last Tuesday's NewTLUG meeting. I'm so happy to learn that limitations of the GNOME desktop have been so hotly debated even by* Linus*! So, as I understand it, if I'm an Ubuntu user then I'm pretty well stuck with GNOME, right? If so, what distro of Linux should I go to as a non developer. If not, how do I switch to KDE? ...John On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > At the last NewTLUG meeting someone mentioned the frustration of not > being able to map the middle mouse under GNOME. The first reply was "why > would you want to do that"? > > The attitude behind such replies seem to be at the heart of Linus > Torvalds' traditional dislike of GNOME and preference for KDE, > re-articulated recently (and actually using the mouse issue as an > example!): > > http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8745257437.html > > Interesting reading. > > - Evan > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 20:02:42 2008 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <8c9fc95b0803271256g29abc6dbx9de8516df1ce74a9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <8c9fc95b0803271256g29abc6dbx9de8516df1ce74a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, John Fruhwirth wrote: ... > So, as I understand it, if I'm an Ubuntu user then I'm pretty well stuck > with GNOME, right? No, you can run any DE or WM you like. > If so, what distro of Linux should I go to as a non developer. If not, how > do I switch to KDE? sudo apt-get install kde-base (I'm not sure if that's the correct package name; look in synaptic). > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > >> At the last NewTLUG meeting someone mentioned the frustration of not >> being able to map the middle mouse under GNOME. The first reply was "why >> would you want to do that"? >> >> The attitude behind such replies seem to be at the heart of Linus >> Torvalds' traditional dislike of GNOME and preference for KDE, >> re-articulated recently (and actually using the mouse issue as an >> example!): >> >> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8745257437.html >> >> Interesting reading. >> >> - Evan >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 20:03:32 2008 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:03:32 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <8c9fc95b0803271256g29abc6dbx9de8516df1ce74a9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <8c9fc95b0803271256g29abc6dbx9de8516df1ce74a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803271603.33216.glayng@sympatico.ca> There are several Ubuntu variants, including Xubuntu and Edubuntu. Try installing the Kubuntu variant of Ubuntu. That one uses KDE. Alternatively, you can download KDE from the Ubuntu repositories. On Thursday 27 March 2008 15:56, John Fruhwirth wrote: > Thanks Evan, distro of Linux > I happen to be the guy who brought this issue up at last Tuesday's NewTLUG > meeting. > I'm so happy to learn that limitations of the GNOME desktop have been so > hotly debated even by* Linus*! > > So, as I understand it, if I'm an Ubuntu user then I'm pretty well stuck > with GNOME, right? > If so, what distro of Linux should I go to as a non developer. If not, how > do I switch to KDE? > > ...John > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > At the last NewTLUG meeting someone mentioned the frustration of not > > being able to map the middle mouse under GNOME. The first reply was "why > > would you want to do that"? > > > > The attitude behind such replies seem to be at the heart of Linus > > Torvalds' traditional dislike of GNOME and preference for KDE, > > re-articulated recently (and actually using the mouse issue as an > > example!): > > > > http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8745257437.html > > > > Interesting reading. > > > > - Evan > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- there's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 20:07:12 2008 From: johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Fruhwirth) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:07:12 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <8c9fc95b0803271256g29abc6dbx9de8516df1ce74a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c9fc95b0803271307j32f0be3fme51ff3031a65cf50@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Chris, Mush appreciated! ...John On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, John Fruhwirth wrote: > ... > > So, as I understand it, if I'm an Ubuntu user then I'm pretty well stuck > > with GNOME, right? > > No, you can run any DE or WM you like. > > > If so, what distro of Linux should I go to as a non developer. If not, > how > > do I switch to KDE? > > sudo apt-get install kde-base > > (I'm not sure if that's the correct package name; look in synaptic). > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > > >> At the last NewTLUG meeting someone mentioned the frustration of not > >> being able to map the middle mouse under GNOME. The first reply was > "why > >> would you want to do that"? > >> > >> The attitude behind such replies seem to be at the heart of Linus > >> Torvalds' traditional dislike of GNOME and preference for KDE, > >> re-articulated recently (and actually using the mouse issue as an > >> example!): > >> > >> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8745257437.html > >> > >> Interesting reading. > >> > >> - Evan > >> > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > >> > > > > -- > Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster > ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== > Author: > Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 20:27:13 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:27:13 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <8c9fc95b0803271256g29abc6dbx9de8516df1ce74a9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <8c9fc95b0803271256g29abc6dbx9de8516df1ce74a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EC0321.30801@telly.org> John Fruhwirth wrote: > So, as I understand it, if I'm an Ubuntu user then I'm pretty well > stuck with GNOME, right? > If so, what distro of Linux should I go to as a non developer. If > not, how do I switch to KDE? www.kubuntu.org -- All the hearty goodness of Ubuntu with a KDE front-end. For more info on the relationship between Ubuntu and Kubuntu, see http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php In fact, there is a way to switch from a live Ubuntu system to Kubuntu. Using aptitude and standard Ubuntu repositories, install "kubuntu-desktop" (which is an umbrella 'package' that installs all of KDE's core). For more info, see http://www.watchingthenet.com/switch-between-gnome-and-kde-desktops-in-ubuntu-or-kubuntu.html I encourage any Ubuntu user to make the switch. :-) - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 20:37:02 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:37:02 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <8c9fc95b0803271256g29abc6dbx9de8516df1ce74a9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <8c9fc95b0803271256g29abc6dbx9de8516df1ce74a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080327203702.GP20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 03:56:32PM -0400, John Fruhwirth wrote: > Thanks Evan, distro of Linux > I happen to be the guy who brought this issue up at last Tuesday's NewTLUG > meeting. > I'm so happy to learn that limitations of the GNOME desktop have been so > hotly debated even by* Linus*! > > So, as I understand it, if I'm an Ubuntu user then I'm pretty well stuck > with GNOME, right? > If so, what distro of Linux should I go to as a non developer. If not, how > do I switch to KDE? Go to the package manager, search for the package 'kde' and install it. Then select it from the login menu as your session type. After all kubuntu uses kde, and being based on debian most of the window managers and desktop environments are available, just not installed by default. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 27 21:05:37 2008 From: johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Fruhwirth) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:05:37 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <47EC0321.30801-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <8c9fc95b0803271256g29abc6dbx9de8516df1ce74a9@mail.gmail.com> <47EC0321.30801@telly.org> Message-ID: <8c9fc95b0803271405l7d664621p5646108c902bda63@mail.gmail.com> Thank You, Thank you, ...John On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > John Fruhwirth wrote: > > So, as I understand it, if I'm an Ubuntu user then I'm pretty well > > stuck with GNOME, right? > > If so, what distro of Linux should I go to as a non developer. If > > not, how do I switch to KDE? > > www.kubuntu.org -- All the hearty goodness of Ubuntu with a KDE front-end. > > For more info on the relationship between Ubuntu and Kubuntu, see > http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php > > In fact, there is a way to switch from a live Ubuntu system to Kubuntu. > Using aptitude and standard Ubuntu repositories, install > "kubuntu-desktop" (which is an umbrella 'package' that installs all of > KDE's core). For more info, see > > http://www.watchingthenet.com/switch-between-gnome-and-kde-desktops-in-ubuntu-or-kubuntu.html > > I encourage any Ubuntu user to make the switch. :-) > > - Evan > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 28 11:44:48 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:44:48 -0400 Subject: restore Evolution after OS install In-Reply-To: References: <47D5626F.7080208@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47ECDA30.60409@chrisaitken.net> Julian C. Dunn wrote: > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > >> What is the Evolution file/directory that I have to save if I want to >> have the email/calendar stuff installed after an OS install? I know >> how to revive a thunderbird mail file but I've never done it with >> Evolution ('cause I don't use it). I want to get fedora core 4 off my >> wife's machine and replace it with ubuntu. I can't get network >> printing working so I figure ubuntu with a newer cups will rectify that. > > It's all in $HOME/.evolution Okay, I backed up that directory. I did a fresh ubuntu install and now I'm having trouble restoring from that directory. What file in that directory do I point Evolution to? Or is that not how it works? Chris > > - Julian > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 28 12:15:39 2008 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:15:39 -0400 Subject: restore Evolution after OS install In-Reply-To: <47ECDA30.60409-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47D5626F.7080208@chrisaitken.net> <47ECDA30.60409@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47ECE16B.4090205@utoronto.ca> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: >>> What is the Evolution file/directory that I have to save if I want to >>> have the email/calendar stuff installed after an OS install? I know >>> how to revive a thunderbird mail file but I've never done it with >>> Evolution ('cause I don't use it). I want to get fedora core 4 off my >>> wife's machine and replace it with ubuntu. I can't get network >>> printing working so I figure ubuntu with a newer cups will rectify that. >> >> It's all in $HOME/.evolution > Okay, I backed up that directory. I did a fresh ubuntu install and now > I'm having trouble restoring from that directory. What file in that > directory do I point Evolution to? Or is that not how it works? When you backed up the directory did you do a cp -r? To restore the directory cp -r backuppathname ~yourusername/.evolution Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 28 12:49:17 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:49:17 -0400 Subject: acanac pricing / support / service In-Reply-To: <47EBE2A9.1050501-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880803271025u8ef1c1ej2cad12aa2acff34f@mail.gmail.com> <20080327173706.GO20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47EBE2A9.1050501@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0803280549h3f50468br6d6e6c46708f2582@mail.gmail.com> Did you have a link on that one? Seems pretty ridiculous, especially if they're throttling the third-party accounts (what *rights* do they even have to do packet inspection of those who aren't their customers!!!). Does that mean everytime I visit an https webpage, or SSH to work, that my connection is being throttled? Damn, just when I thought Bell couldn't get any worse. Things like this need a large consumer class-action (with the resellers to join in the fray). While they're at it, how about Bell fixes their overextended lines and otherwise shit service so that those of us that *pay* for high-speed can actually get it? On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:08 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:25:57PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: > >> Hi Guys, > >> > >> I heard a couple of you guys are using acanac, how is the service for > >> torrents / downloading for you after the trial period? > >> > >> I'm thinking of saving like 12 bucks a month myself :) > > > > Well based on the recent news of what Bell is doing to the DSL network, > > the torrent support will probably become very bad real soon. > > Apparently, use of any encrypted protocols on the Bell network will > result in the entire connection being throttled. Rogers, as odious an > ISP as it is, is not doing deep packet inspection for the time being. > Now that Bell has jumped first, the field is now clear for Rogers to do > what Bell is doing so even if you don't care about BitTorrent, I believe > you will eventually be subjected to reduced service from Rogers if you > use ssh/scp/sftp/ssl. It is only a matter of time. > > Rogers and Bell have an oligopoly and as such, they are behaving > predictably and rationally. They could not get away with this if there > were real competition. We need control of the last mile. I have made > inquiries about dark fiber with the aim of starting a community fiber > project but I have not found pricing that makes any semblance of sense, > certainly nothing like the pricing one can find in the U.S., parts of > Europe, or South Korea. We are going to become a backwater on the > Internet if Rogers and Bell are allowed unfettered control of the market. > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis Corporation > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 28 21:11:12 2008 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:11:12 -0500 Subject: has anyone had any experience with recordmydesktop for producing screencasts? Message-ID: <200803281611.12622.icanprogram@295.ca> http://recordmydesktop.iovar.org/about.php I'm about to embark on a screencast project and I'd love to hear any experience stories. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 28 20:58:09 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:58:09 -0400 Subject: restore Evolution after OS install In-Reply-To: <47ECE16B.4090205-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <47D5626F.7080208@chrisaitken.net> <47ECDA30.60409@chrisaitken.net> <47ECE16B.4090205@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <47ED5BE1.7030105@chrisaitken.net> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Mr Chris Aitken wrote: >>>> What is the Evolution file/directory that I have to save if I want >>>> to have the email/calendar stuff installed after an OS install? I >>>> know how to revive a thunderbird mail file but I've never done it >>>> with Evolution ('cause I don't use it). I want to get fedora core 4 >>>> off my wife's machine and replace it with ubuntu. I can't get >>>> network printing working so I figure ubuntu with a newer cups will >>>> rectify that. >>> >>> It's all in $HOME/.evolution >> Okay, I backed up that directory. I did a fresh ubuntu install and >> now I'm having trouble restoring from that directory. What file in >> that directory do I point Evolution to? Or is that not how it works? > > When you backed up the directory did you do a cp -r? Well, I used scp -r /home./evolution /anothercomputer > To restore the directory cp -r backuppathname ~yourusername/.evolution Okay, I just did that, but when I run Evolution it asks me where the 'evolution archive' is. I don't have any 'evolution archive' - I just have the entire .evolution directory and its contents. Then I point to that but it's not satisfied - it wants me to point to a specific file and I try different files (especially ones ending in .db) but nothing brings back the mail, calendar info et al. I inferred from the original responder to this thread that you have to back up the entire .evolution directory and its contents. I guess that was an erroneous assumption. I guess I should have backed it up in a certain way (to make an 'evolution archive') to be able to restore it later. I use thunderbird myself so that back up is easier - you simply save the directory and them point to that directory when configuring (the new installation of) thunderbird. I guess Evolution is trickier (?) Chris > > Ivan. > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 28 21:25:14 2008 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:25:14 -0400 Subject: restore Evolution after OS install In-Reply-To: <47ED5BE1.7030105-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47D5626F.7080208@chrisaitken.net> <47ECDA30.60409@chrisaitken.net> <47ECE16B.4090205@utoronto.ca> <47ED5BE1.7030105@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47ED623A.9030409@utoronto.ca> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: >> To restore the directory cp -r backuppathname ~yourusername/.evolution > Okay, I just did that, but when I run Evolution it asks me where the > 'evolution archive' is. I don't have any 'evolution archive' - I just > have the entire .evolution directory and its contents. Then I point to > that but it's not satisfied - it wants me to point to a specific file > and I try different files (especially ones ending in .db) but nothing > brings back the mail, calendar info et al. > > I inferred from the original responder to this thread that you have to > back up the entire .evolution directory and its contents. I guess that > was an erroneous assumption. I guess I should have backed it up in a > certain way (to make an 'evolution archive') to be able to restore it > later. I use thunderbird myself so that back up is easier - you simply > save the directory and them point to that directory when configuring > (the new installation of) thunderbird. I guess Evolution is trickier (?) I don't really have any suggestions for you, but maybe this will point you in a fruitful direction. I'm not sure about modern versions, but several years ago when I last used Evolution I recall that there was some information it needed that got stored in ~/.gnome2 or something like that, it wasn't all in ~/.evolution. Regards, Marcus -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 28 21:50:49 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:50:49 -0400 Subject: acanac pricing / support / service In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0803280549h3f50468br6d6e6c46708f2582-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880803271025u8ef1c1ej2cad12aa2acff34f@mail.gmail.com> <20080327173706.GO20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47EBE2A9.1050501@dinamis.com> <3a97ef0803280549h3f50468br6d6e6c46708f2582@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47ED6839.8060101@rogers.com> Tyler Aviss wrote: > Did you have a link on that one? Seems pretty ridiculous, especially > if they're throttling the third-party accounts (what *rights* do they > even have to do packet inspection of those who aren't their > customers!!!). > Does that mean everytime I visit an https webpage, or SSH to work, > that my connection is being throttled? Damn, just when I thought Bell > couldn't get any worse. > I wonder if they throttle OpenVPN? It's just UDP packets full of junk. Perhaps someone should throttle the execs at Bell. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 28 22:19:40 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:19:40 -0400 Subject: has anyone had any experience with recordmydesktop for producing screencasts? In-Reply-To: <200803281611.12622.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <200803281611.12622.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 5:11 PM, bob 295 wrote: > http://recordmydesktop.iovar.org/about.php > > I'm about to embark on a screencast project and I'd love to hear any > experience stories. For me, it simply does not work ;) I compiled it without a problem. Once i was able to record some screen shots (without sound, though). Now I do not remember how to repeat that ;) xine used as root was able to show me green screen only but used under my usual username privileges showed something. No kidding, these multimedia applications are mostly a disaster and not for an impatient one in learning like me ;) I would simply want just to use them, and learn something else instead. I would rather look for an application that could create screen shots every few seconds and store results in a resonable format (like perhaps a series of png images). Does something like that exists? Voice could be mixed later, I believe, by using some smart application, dont you think? zb. > bob > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 29 13:53:07 2008 From: jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Miles) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:53:07 -0400 Subject: acanac pricing / support / service In-Reply-To: <47EBE2A9.1050501-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880803271025u8ef1c1ej2cad12aa2acff34f@mail.gmail.com> <20080327173706.GO20026@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47EBE2A9.1050501@dinamis.com> Message-ID: Does anyone know whether the performance of VOIP connections (like Vonage) are throttled on a DSL connnection also? (hope I am not straying too far off topic) John (resident idiot) On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:08 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:25:57PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: > >> Hi Guys, > >> > >> I heard a couple of you guys are using acanac, how is the service for > >> torrents / downloading for you after the trial period? > >> > >> I'm thinking of saving like 12 bucks a month myself :) > > > > Well based on the recent news of what Bell is doing to the DSL network, > > the torrent support will probably become very bad real soon. > > Apparently, use of any encrypted protocols on the Bell network will > result in the entire connection being throttled. Rogers, as odious an > ISP as it is, is not doing deep packet inspection for the time being. > Now that Bell has jumped first, the field is now clear for Rogers to do > what Bell is doing so even if you don't care about BitTorrent, I believe > you will eventually be subjected to reduced service from Rogers if you > use ssh/scp/sftp/ssl. It is only a matter of time. > > Rogers and Bell have an oligopoly and as such, they are behaving > predictably and rationally. They could not get away with this if there > were real competition. We need control of the last mile. I have made > inquiries about dark fiber with the aim of starting a community fiber > project but I have not found pricing that makes any semblance of sense, > certainly nothing like the pricing one can find in the U.S., parts of > Europe, or South Korea. We are going to become a backwater on the > Internet if Rogers and Bell are allowed unfettered control of the market. > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis Corporation > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Like with so many other issues, a lot of people just love to pretend that everything comes down to a choice between two things. Perhaps they are easily confused? Dunno. Personally, I think Torvalds is missing the point completely. Apparently he believes that, like him, every single Linux user wants to install one desktop environment and be done with it. That one desktop environment should just give him everything he wants. Great, but unfortunately then you end up with...KDE, the most ridiculous and bloated crap imagineable. Does Gnome _Desktop_ suck? Oh yeah, and there he's right on the money. I use Gnome at work and it drives me completely crazy. The configuration options for the WM are pathetic. Does that mean I would use KDE instead? Rather die, thanks. Using the KDE file selection dialogue is less fun than stepping on a nail. Last time I checked, they still had not figured out the concept of 'drag and drop'. There is a very good reason why most applications are developed using GTK, and now more and more PyGTK. The same reason that the best desktop environment there is, XFCE4, uses Gnome libraries and applications: they work really really well and are easy to use. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "Bender, I don't care whether you have money. I love you for your artificial intelligence and your sincerity simulator." -Countess de la Roca -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Most people I know who have lives have better things to do with their time than having to evaluate different desktop choices. The platform is, for most people, a means rather than an end; their efforts are best spent mastering applications. > That one desktop environment should just give him everything he wants. Great, but unfortunately then you end up with...KDE, the most ridiculous and bloated crap imagineable. > Such superlatives -- especially launched at a system many people appear to have had far less problem mastering -- don't help make a case. I for one can certainly imagine -- and have even used -- software far more bloated and less ridiculous. > Using the KDE file selection dialogue is less fun than stepping on a nail. Last time I checked, they still had not figured out the concept of 'drag and drop'. > Works for me. YMMV, I guess. > There is a very good reason why most applications are developed using GTK, and now more and more PyGTK. The same reason that the best desktop environment there is, XFCE4, The best? Does that mean that you prefer one? Isn't that.... a _choice_? - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 29 17:17:56 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:17:56 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu, OpenOffice, and icon profiles Message-ID: <47EE79C4.2030407@telly.org> This quandry has stymied me for months and I'm not even sure if the answer is with Kubuntu. KDE or OpenOffice. Specifically, I have no idea how to enable previews (or viewing medtadata) for OpenOffice/ODT files under Kubuntu (KDE 3.5.9) . For reasons I can't explain I have it working on one Kubuntu system but not another -- so I know it _can_ work. Everything else -- graphic files, PDFs, even video files -- preview fine under both Konqueror and Dolphin on both systems. I've enabled everything I can using the KDE control panel. Any pointers (especially general documentation on how KDE handles previews, icon watermarks, etc) are appreciated. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 29 17:24:53 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:24:53 -0400 Subject: Michael Geist - Bell Secretly Throttling Wholesale Internet Services? - UPDATED In-Reply-To: <47EA3022.5030701-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47EA3022.5030701@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080329132453.352f8d99@node1.freeyourmachine.org> James Knott wrote: > http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2782/125// This is getting real big real fast: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/03/28/tech-netneutrality.html -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: I can't keep running people over. I'm not famous enough to get away with it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I use whatever was handed me by the distro. My main GUI application is xterm. I'm not even willing to accept substitutes since all that I've tried have been missing xterm features that I'm accustomed to. My text editing, mail reading, downloading, and general administration are done within xterm. I'm *not* proud of this. I'd like someone to give me a Royal Road to rewarding GUI usage. I've just found that succeeding desktops have not made my life much better and effort expended exploring them has not paid off. Almost all advances in my GUI experiences over the last 25 years can be ascribed to improvement in hardware: - screen size(640x400 => 2560x1600), - video controller capability (1b/p => 32b/p, lots faster), - CPU speed (8MHz => 2000MHz x 2), - RAM capacity (1MiB => 3GiB)) I'd actually love a someone to explain to me why I should care. I'd like to find out about some GUI facilities that would improve my life significantly. Oh, and I'd like these features to have some longevity. Here's a list of GUI things that I actually use a lot. Roughly ordered by most used to least used. - xterm (not that new). True, this is a way out of the GUI, but the ability to run a lot of xterms and switch between them is a benefit of the desktop environment. - firefox. In some sense this is a meta-application. I'm not counting the many applications made available through firefox (eg. google) as separate. - PDF viewers (evince or acrobat reader (now Adobe Reader, I think)) - mplayer - xchat, pigeon - Open Office (mostly as a reader, but sometimes as a writer) What am I missing out on? Apropos the original topic: my mouse happens to have extra buttons all over, kind of like warts (five of them). I haven't even bothered to figure out how to get them to do anything interesting. Another hardware advance squandered by software people :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 29 18:28:57 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:28:57 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <47EE77CB.4080206-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <20080329122838.1bcf9ca5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EE77CB.4080206@telly.org> Message-ID: <20080329142857.68b48ee1@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > JoeHill wrote: > > > Like with so many other issues, a lot of people just love to pretend that > > everything comes down to a choice between two things. Perhaps they are > > easily confused? Dunno. Personally, I think Torvalds is missing the point > > completely. Apparently he believes that, like him, every single Linux user > > wants to install one desktop environment and be done with it. > That sounds about right to me. > > Most people I know who have lives have better things to do with their > time than having to evaluate different desktop choices. The platform is, > for most people, a means rather than an end; their efforts are best > spent mastering applications. You're right, I wouldn't want to overtax peoples' brains by giving them more than two choices. That would just be cruel. Thank God there are other people to tell us what our choices are, and keep it to just two. > > That one desktop environment should just give him everything he wants. > > Great, but unfortunately then you end up with...KDE, the most ridiculous > > and bloated crap imagineable. > Such superlatives -- especially launched at a system many people appear > to have had far less problem mastering -- don't help make a case. I for > one can certainly imagine -- and have even used -- software far more > bloated and less ridiculous. Not a question of mastering anything, a question of using without getting frustrated. You actually kinda sound like the Gnome developers who are criticized for 'blaming the user'. If there's something that KDE or Gnome just can't or won't do, there's no way to 'master' doing it, is there? > > Using the KDE file selection dialogue is less fun than stepping on a nail. > > Last time I checked, they still had not figured out the concept of 'drag > > and drop'. > Works for me. YMMV, I guess. I suppose it might only work if you have the full K desktop installed, which I don't. Any K apps I've tried to use, like Amarok and Qdvdauthor, do not seem to understand drag and drop at all, and navigating the file chooser dialogue is just a headache. It doesn't even respond to the mousewheel. > > There is a very good reason why most applications are developed using GTK, > > and now more and more PyGTK. The same reason that the best desktop > > environment there is, XFCE4, > The best? Does that mean that you prefer one? Isn't that.... a _choice_? I didn't say anything about not making a choice. I said the perception that one must choose between Gnome or KDE is false. BTW, ya think ya could fix yer line wrap? -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Fry: Where's Captain Bender? Off catastrophizing some other planet? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 29 19:43:51 2008 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:43:51 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <20080329142857.68b48ee1-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <20080329122838.1bcf9ca5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EE77CB.4080206@telly.org> <20080329142857.68b48ee1@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <47EE9BF7.9000600@dinamis.com> JoeHill wrote: >>> That one desktop environment should just give him everything he wants. >>> Great, but unfortunately then you end up with...KDE, the most ridiculous >>> and bloated crap imagineable. >> Such superlatives -- especially launched at a system many people appear >> to have had far less problem mastering -- don't help make a case. I for >> one can certainly imagine -- and have even used -- software far more >> bloated and less ridiculous. > > Not a question of mastering anything, a question of using without getting > frustrated. You actually kinda sound like the Gnome developers who are > criticized for 'blaming the user'. If there's something that KDE or Gnome just > can't or won't do, there's no way to 'master' doing it, is there? Between a shell and KDE, I cannot think of things that I need to do that I cannot. >>> Using the KDE file selection dialogue is less fun than stepping on a nail. >>> Last time I checked, they still had not figured out the concept of 'drag >>> and drop'. >> Works for me. YMMV, I guess. > > I suppose it might only work if you have the full K desktop installed, which I > don't. Any K apps I've tried to use, like Amarok and Qdvdauthor, do not seem > to understand drag and drop at all, and navigating the file chooser dialogue > is just a headache. It doesn't even respond to the mousewheel. Drag/drop works fine for me too and yes, I have a full KDE desktop installed. To blame KDE for supposedly lacking functionality without installing the KDE desktop is just plain silly. I just don't see what is so difficult about navigating get/put file dialogs in KDE. If anything, it is better than the alternatives I have tried because it is inherently network-aware. With KDE, I can put/get files to/from remote servers using a number of protocols. >>> There is a very good reason why most applications are developed using GTK, News to me. I see plenty of applications built using other frameworks too. >>> and now more and more PyGTK. The same reason that the best desktop >>> environment there is, XFCE4, Best for you, not for me or millions of others who use KDE or Gnome or other desktops. I have detailed here before how Xfce is not as "lightweight" as people claim it is. I have used it and find nothing attractive or compelling about it but if you like it, more power to you. I like the Qt framework and I really like how I can extend KDE applications using Kparts. This is what OpenDoc was supposed to be. I started with PyGTK before PyQt and the main reason I made the switch was due to the immaturity of the framework and poor documentation. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 30 01:55:00 2008 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:55:00 -0400 Subject: [Bulk] Re:Michael Geist - Bell Secretly Throttling Wholesale Internet Services? - UPDATED In-Reply-To: <20080329132453.352f8d99-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <47EA3022.5030701@rogers.com> <20080329132453.352f8d99@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <47EEF2F4.10201@rogers.com> Here's that Bell spokesperson discrediting himself: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20247550-Jason-Laszlo-Bell-spokesmans-real-thoughts-on-this-issue He has recently updated his Facebook privacy settings so his "true face" is no longer so public. JoeHill wrote: > James Knott wrote: > >> http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2782/125// > > This is getting real big real fast: > > http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/03/28/tech-netneutrality.html > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 30 04:40:38 2008 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <20080329122838.1bcf9ca5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EE77CB.4080206@telly.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Mar 2008, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Normally I like to control my environment. Perhaps too much. I insist on complete control of my environment. Well the computer environment - I'm still working on controlling the weather. > In the case of desktop environments, I've found the choices so > unexciting and the victories so ephemeral, that I've abdicated. I use > whatever was handed me by the distro. I use fvwm everywhere. Every few years I review the alternatives to see if anything better is available. Still using fvwm after 14 years. I have reworked my fvwm config a few times though. Interestingly when I migrated from Australia to Canada I cast off a bunch of old habits including major changes to my fvwm config and changing my default shell :) > My main GUI application is xterm. I'm not even willing to accept Ditto. I'm typing this from pine in an xterm. Gotta upgrade to alpine... > substitutes since all that I've tried have been missing xterm > features that I'm accustomed to. My text editing, mail reading, > downloading, and general administration are done within xterm. IMHO the alternatives never had anything extra that made it worth switching either. > I'm *not* proud of this. I'd like someone to give me a Royal Road to I am :) > rewarding GUI usage. I've just found that succeeding desktops have > not made my life much better and effort expended exploring them has > not paid off. Almost all advances in my GUI experiences over the last > 25 years can be ascribed to improvement in hardware: > - screen size(640x400 => 2560x1600), > - video controller capability (1b/p => 32b/p, lots faster), > - CPU speed (8MHz => 2000MHz x 2), > - RAM capacity (1MiB => 3GiB)) I agree 100%. Two thoughts come to mind: 1. GUIs are still substantially based on the original Xerox designs. It seems to me that a bit of original thinking is occuring in this area of late. About time too. 2. Maybe the claim of the GUI as being the ideal computer interface has been a bit over-stated. > I'd actually love a someone to explain to me why I should care. I'd > like to find out about some GUI facilities that would improve my life > significantly. Oh, and I'd like these features to have some > longevity. A GUI feature which has been very practially useful to me is network transparency in X. I've used it regularly since 1994. I use it to solve problems and get real work done all the time. It is a much over-looked feature of X. Several other graphical systems have a similar facility but they are even less used than the one in X. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 30 05:47:23 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 01:47:23 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <47EE9BF7.9000600-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <20080329122838.1bcf9ca5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EE77CB.4080206@telly.org> <20080329142857.68b48ee1@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EE9BF7.9000600@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20080330014723.6427c1d0@node1.freeyourmachine.org> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > JoeHill wrote (but Clifford apparently did not read): > >>> That one desktop environment should just give him everything he wants. > >>> Great, but unfortunately then you end up with...KDE, the most ridiculous > >>> and bloated crap imagineable. > >> Such superlatives -- especially launched at a system many people appear > >> to have had far less problem mastering -- don't help make a case. I for > >> one can certainly imagine -- and have even used -- software far more > >> bloated and less ridiculous. > > > > Not a question of mastering anything, a question of using without getting > > frustrated. You actually kinda sound like the Gnome developers who are > > criticized for 'blaming the user'. If there's something that KDE or Gnome > > just can't or won't do, there's no way to 'master' doing it, is there? > > Between a shell and KDE, I cannot think of things that I need to do that > I cannot. > > >>> Using the KDE file selection dialogue is less fun than stepping on a nail. > >>> Last time I checked, they still had not figured out the concept of 'drag > >>> and drop'. > >> Works for me. YMMV, I guess. > > > > I suppose it might only work if you have the full K desktop installed, > > which I don't. Any K apps I've tried to use, like Amarok and Qdvdauthor, do > > not seem to understand drag and drop at all, and navigating the file > > chooser dialogue is just a headache. It doesn't even respond to the > > mousewheel. > > Drag/drop works fine for me too and yes, I have a full KDE desktop > installed. To blame KDE for supposedly lacking functionality without > installing the KDE desktop is just plain silly. I just don't see what is > so difficult about navigating get/put file dialogs in KDE. If anything, > it is better than the alternatives I have tried because it is inherently > network-aware. With KDE, I can put/get files to/from remote servers > using a number of protocols. I did not say "I've never had KDE installed", I said "I don't have it installed". > >>> There is a very good reason why most applications are developed using > >>> GTK, > > News to me. I see plenty of applications built using other frameworks too. I didn't say "all", I said "most". > >>> and now more and more PyGTK. The same reason that the best desktop > >>> environment there is, XFCE4, > > Best for you, not for me or millions of others who use KDE or Gnome or > other desktops. I have detailed here before how Xfce is not as > "lightweight" as people claim it is. I have used it and find nothing > attractive or compelling about it but if you like it, more power to you. > I like the Qt framework and I really like how I can extend KDE > applications using Kparts. This is what OpenDoc was supposed to be. I > started with PyGTK before PyQt and the main reason I made the switch was > due to the immaturity of the framework and poor documentation. I mentioned nothing at all, anywhere, about XFCE being more lightweight. Please only respond if you are in fact literate. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Amy: "Bender, your beer belly's so big your door won't even close. And that doesn't even make sense." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 30 13:49:16 2008 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:49:16 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <20080330014723.6427c1d0-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <20080329122838.1bcf9ca5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EE77CB.4080206@telly.org> <20080329142857.68b48ee1@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EE9BF7.9000600@dinamis.com> <20080330014723.6427c1d0@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <47EF9A5C.30603@dinamis.com> JoeHill wrote in response to Clifford Ilkay: > Please only respond if you are in fact literate. Why should I respond to a rude troll? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 30 14:15:23 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:15:23 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <47EF9A5C.30603-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <20080329122838.1bcf9ca5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EE77CB.4080206@telly.org> <20080329142857.68b48ee1@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EE9BF7.9000600@dinamis.com> <20080330014723.6427c1d0@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EF9A5C.30603@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <47EFA07B.9030907@telly.org> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: >> Please only respond if you are in fact literate. > > Why should I respond to a rude troll? You shouldn't. My kill file just got a new addition. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 30 15:36:42 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:36:42 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <20080329122838.1bcf9ca5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EE77CB.4080206@telly.org> Message-ID: <47EFB38A.7090201@telly.org> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Sat, 29 Mar 2008, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > >> Normally I like to control my environment. Perhaps too much. > > I insist on complete control of my environment. Well the computer > environment - I'm still working on controlling the weather. As a result, you -- and other folks with your skill and interest in this area -- will find much to fault with pretty well all of the current crop of GUIs. Indeed, the debate into which Torvalds entered was the classic quandry of simplicity versus flexibility, and how much of one you can get without sacrificing the other. Such debates are certainly not limited to the field of IT. I know some people who would never consider buying a car with an automatic transmission. They say the complexity, added resource consumption and (wrong, to them) assumptions of user habits would make manuals more attractive even if they were not less expensive to buy. But using a stick requires an investment in skill and a love of driving that not everyone considers worthwhile. The people I know who prefer manual transmissions generally hate their computers and consider them a necessary evil that is required to do certain unavoidable tasks. They want to get in, do the job, and get out, practically, reliably and with as few impediments in the way -- much the same way many techies see their cars. Some people like the assumptions that McDonalds, Kelsey's and Swanson make on their behalf on the balance between taste, cost, speed and nutritional value. Others would rather spend hours in the kitchen, slicing stuff and sweating over a stove, for the right to make that balance for themselves by being in control of every ingredient's proportions. Nobody can be an expert/enthusiast in everything. In fields where you're non-expert, you're always balancing between control and simplicity and are often willing to let others make assumptions on your behalf so long as those assumptions are reasonable and trustworthy. There are people who still use EMACS as their mail reader of choice, and there are people who insist on always doing their own oil changes. I have yet to find someone who shares both traits, which at their core are very similar. The debate here -- the one Torvalds got into and (significantly) was raised in NewTLUG rather than the alpha-geek TLUG meeting -- is over the way that enthusiasts are trying to develop systems that make open source appealing to those who DON'T want the kind of control you crave. They're perfectly happy to let others make reasonable choices for them but would appreciate the ability to do some minimal tweaking. Complaining that GUIs are dumbing-down the computer or using too many resources, from the POV of the technically-savvy enthusiast, is to utterly miss the point. Open source already appeals to those who love and/or understand working with computers. The current challenge is making it appealing (or at least acceptable) to those who with little or no enthusiasm or aptitude for computing. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 30 15:47:39 2008 From: johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Fruhwirth) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:47:39 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <47EFB38A.7090201-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <20080329122838.1bcf9ca5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EE77CB.4080206@telly.org> <47EFB38A.7090201@telly.org> Message-ID: <8c9fc95b0803300847q50e7b38bt85e112566917b63d@mail.gmail.com> Well said Evan. An outstanding post. Thank you!!! ...John On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Robert Brockway wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Mar 2008, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > > >> Normally I like to control my environment. Perhaps too much. > > > > I insist on complete control of my environment. Well the computer > > environment - I'm still working on controlling the weather. > As a result, you -- and other folks with your skill and interest in this > area -- will find much to fault with pretty well all of the current crop > of GUIs. Indeed, the debate into which Torvalds entered was the classic > quandry of simplicity versus flexibility, and how much of one you can > get without sacrificing the other. > > Such debates are certainly not limited to the field of IT. I know some > people who would never consider buying a car with an automatic > transmission. They say the complexity, added resource consumption and > (wrong, to them) assumptions of user habits would make manuals more > attractive even if they were not less expensive to buy. But using a > stick requires an investment in skill and a love of driving that not > everyone considers worthwhile. > > The people I know who prefer manual transmissions generally hate their > computers and consider them a necessary evil that is required to do > certain unavoidable tasks. They want to get in, do the job, and get out, > practically, reliably and with as few impediments in the way -- much the > same way many techies see their cars. > > Some people like the assumptions that McDonalds, Kelsey's and Swanson > make on their behalf on the balance between taste, cost, speed and > nutritional value. Others would rather spend hours in the kitchen, > slicing stuff and sweating over a stove, for the right to make that > balance for themselves by being in control of every ingredient's > proportions. > > Nobody can be an expert/enthusiast in everything. In fields where you're > non-expert, you're always balancing between control and simplicity and > are often willing to let others make assumptions on your behalf so long > as those assumptions are reasonable and trustworthy. > > There are people who still use EMACS as their mail reader of choice, and > there are people who insist on always doing their own oil changes. I > have yet to find someone who shares both traits, which at their core are > very similar. > > The debate here -- the one Torvalds got into and (significantly) was > raised in NewTLUG rather than the alpha-geek TLUG meeting -- is over the > way that enthusiasts are trying to develop systems that make > open source appealing to those who DON'T want the kind of control you > crave. They're perfectly happy to let others make reasonable choices for > them but would appreciate the ability to do some minimal tweaking. > Complaining that GUIs are dumbing-down the computer or using too many > resources, from the POV of the technically-savvy enthusiast, is to > utterly miss the point. > > Open source already appeals to those who love and/or understand working > with computers. The current challenge is making it appealing (or at > least acceptable) to those who with little or no enthusiasm or aptitude > for computing. > > - Evan > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 30 16:22:26 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: IT360 planning meeting. Message-ID: <559456.51848.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just to note there will be a planning meeting for the GTALug booth @ IT360 show. The location will be the Starbucks coffee shop inside the Indigo bookshop @ 2300 Yonge Street (Yonge St. a VERY short walk north of Eglinton Ave.). Start time will be Tuesday April 1st., 7:00 PM, and run through until whenever or shop closing... Thanks. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 30 17:11:21 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:11:21 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <47EF9A5C.30603-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <20080329122838.1bcf9ca5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EE77CB.4080206@telly.org> <20080329142857.68b48ee1@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EE9BF7.9000600@dinamis.com> <20080330014723.6427c1d0@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EF9A5C.30603@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20080330131121.59f8fec2@node1.freeyourmachine.org> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > JoeHill wrote in response to Clifford Ilkay: > > Please only respond if you are in fact literate. > > Why should I respond to a rude troll? I apologize, that was totally wrong and more than rude. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "I'm gonna go build my own theme park... with blackjack and hookers! In fact, forget the park!" -Bender -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 30 18:33:03 2008 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:33:03 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <47EFB38A.7090201-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <20080329122838.1bcf9ca5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EE77CB.4080206@telly.org> <47EFB38A.7090201@telly.org> Message-ID: <20080330183303.2966D83833@sarg.ryerson.ca> I echo the comment that Evan's post was very good. Of course, it was also simplistic, or at least simplified, as any useful model of reality must be. And of course, there are those of us who aren't captured well by the model: to whit, I use Emacs as my mail reader, hate automatic cars, always change my own oil (when I own a car), always have a terminal window open, now only use Linux for servers (including MythTV), and among my family (myself, my partner, child, mother, and in-laws) have a total of 9 Macs varying over eMacs, iMacs, and MacBooks (including the SSD MacBook Air that I'm typing this on), do research on programming languages/compilers and web design, and beside Emacs, my favourite programs are probably iPhoto and Google Earth. ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 30 20:56:06 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <47EFB38A.7090201-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <20080329122838.1bcf9ca5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EE77CB.4080206@telly.org> <47EFB38A.7090201@telly.org> Message-ID: | From: Evan Leibovitch | Robert Brockway wrote: | > On Sat, 29 Mar 2008, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > | >> Normally I like to control my environment. Perhaps too much. | > | > I insist on complete control of my environment. Well the computer | > environment - I'm still working on controlling the weather. | As a result, you -- and other folks with your skill and interest in this | area -- will find much to fault with pretty well all of the current crop | of GUIs. Indeed, the debate into which Torvalds entered was the classic | quandry of simplicity versus flexibility, and how much of one you can | get without sacrificing the other. Evan was not replying to me, but I'll pretend he was. Your post was interesting and insightful. But not about me in this particular area. I don't use EMACS, I use JOVE for editing. Although the human interface is similar, JOVE is massively simpler. It is only an editor. I don't use EMACS for mail, I use (AL)PINE. PINE is designed to be simple. I could use something more complicated, but I don't really like complexity without proportionate utility. I'm not whining that I cannot tweak a desktop to be just the way I want it. I might do so if I found a desktop to actually powerfully useful. I wish I were at that stage. I imagine that all desktops can proved for my usage patterns -- I'm not using anything too advanced as far as I know. I want a desktop to be transparent: I don't want to have to think about how to tell it do something, I want to have the illusion that I am doing something -- "direct manipulation". That requires an investment in time to train muscle memory and so on, at various levels. That makes me conservative: I don't try something unless I see some likelihood of a valuable result. I'd love some pioneer to tell me what she found worthwhile so I don't have to do the investing in unworthy systems. I admit laziness. There are systems that I've meant to investigate but haven't gotten around to -- like Plan 9 from perhap 20 years ago! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gwalsh-BSvtlmuW8nk at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 30 16:31:09 2008 From: gwalsh-BSvtlmuW8nk at public.gmane.org (Gary Walsh) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:31:09 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <47EBF764.5010605-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> Message-ID: <1206894669.12875.20.camel@tpt30> I am amused by this thread. Though I think that several KDE applications are excellent, Amarok for instance, everytime I switch to KDE from Gnome, I just find it annoying. I just prefer the way things are done in Gnome. Gnome looks better and I think that the Nautilus file manager is so much superior to KDE's Konqueror, and reminds me of OS/2's file manager, which I always liked. I don't understand why people prefer KDE over Gnome, but to each his own. I am reserving my opinion on KDE 4, which is a radical change from KDE 3 and may prove more attractive to me in time. -- Gary Walsh Kitchener, Ontario, Canada http://gwalsh.notw.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 31 00:58:24 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:58:24 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <1206894669.12875.20.camel@tpt30> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <1206894669.12875.20.camel@tpt30> Message-ID: <47F03730.4050401@utoronto.ca> Gary Walsh wrote: > I am amused by this thread. Though I think that several KDE > applications are excellent, Amarok for instance, everytime I switch to > KDE from Gnome, I just find it annoying. I just prefer the way things > are done in Gnome. Gnome looks better and I think that the Nautilus > file manager is so much superior to KDE's Konqueror, and reminds me of > OS/2's file manager, which I always liked. I don't understand why > people prefer KDE over Gnome, but to each his own. I am reserving my > opinion on KDE 4, which is a radical change from KDE 3 and may prove > more attractive to me in time. > The KDE developers have known for a while that the Konqueror model if browser+file manager+the kitchen sink isn't the way to go. Dolphin looks reasonable as a replacement built specifically to manage files. I've been using Krusader with its two column view for manging files at home, it is absolutely splendid. e.g. split view gui, and no mouse required--and it works with regular KDE protocol integration like fish, sftp, etc. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 31 02:42:55 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: size of the closed-source ATI video card driver Message-ID: According to http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fosdem_08_bridgman&num=1 The fglrx driver is 28 million lines of code. Astonishing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 31 13:31:38 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:31:38 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <1206894669.12875.20.camel@tpt30> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <1206894669.12875.20.camel@tpt30> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Gary Walsh wrote: > I am amused by this thread. Though I think that several KDE > applications are excellent, Amarok for instance, everytime I switch to > KDE from Gnome, I just find it annoying. I just prefer the way things > are done in Gnome. Gnome looks better and I think that the Nautilus > file manager is so much superior to KDE's Konqueror, and reminds me of > OS/2's file manager, which I always liked. I don't understand why > people prefer KDE over Gnome, but to each his own. I am reserving my > opinion on KDE 4, which is a radical change from KDE 3 and may prove > more attractive to me in time. Hear, hear! The thing that really bugs me about KDE is the fact that its applications take over menus at the edge of the screen. I prefer that the apps that I run stay within their own boundaries, and Gnome does indeed take that approach. I doubt that KDE 4 changes that design aspect, and so doubt that it will be more attractive to me. I don't expect everyone to agree with my evaluation of this design aspect, but those with open minds should realize that this is the sort of thing that will lead to personal preference... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 31 14:01:46 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:01:46 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <1206894669.12875.20.camel@tpt30> Message-ID: <47F0EECA.8010504@telly.org> Christopher Browne wrote: > The thing that really bugs me about KDE is the fact that its > applications take over menus at the edge of the screen. Hmm. I'm aware of that _option_ within KDE. Not only is it able to be turned off, AFAIK it's not even turned on by default. It's an attempt to mimic Mac-like bahavior for those who like that kind of thing. But certainly it's not commonly used. > I don't expect everyone to agree with my evaluation of this design > aspect, but those with open minds should realize that this is the sort > of thing that will lead to personal preference... > Interestingly, this goes back to the whole debate that Torvalds entered; over how much flexibility there should be in adjusting assumptions on user preferences that don't match the default intentions of the software designers. Torvalds was making the point that while both GNOME and KDE make their assumptions, that KDE gives more power to people who have _some_ skill and want to adjust some things without needing to burrow into gconf. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 31 14:40:29 2008 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:40:29 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <1206894669.12875.20.camel@tpt30> Message-ID: <47F0F7DD.1000100@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > > I don't expect everyone to agree with my evaluation of this design > aspect, but those with open minds should realize that this is the sort > of thing that will lead to personal preference... Well that's the whole point isn't it? Some people prefer to work in a quiet room while others prefer a lot of background noise. Some people like a lot of clutter while others crave order. The most important feature common to KDE, Gnome, XFCE, Fluxbox et al, and the CLI interface is the one that lets us get our work done in a timely manner and in the environment of our choice. Something that truly can't be said for the big kid on the block. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tenger-ew0EfhANLmVEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 31 15:50:39 2008 From: tenger-ew0EfhANLmVEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org (Terrence Enger) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:50:39 -0400 Subject: http://gtalug.org/ Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20080331115039.012835b8@pop.istop.com> Uh oh. I apologize for sending this to the whole list, but I do not know a better contact is reporting ... GTALUG has a problem Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties. Try waiting a few minutes and reloading. (Can't contact the database server: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) (localhost)) Thanks, all. Terry. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 31 15:55:05 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:55:05 -0400 Subject: http://gtalug.org/ In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20080331115039.012835b8-t0oGnNQ4pjr3oGB3hsPCZA@public.gmane.org> References: <3.0.3.32.20080331115039.012835b8@pop.istop.com> Message-ID: Forwarding to Drew... On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Terrence Enger wrote: > Uh oh. > > I apologize for sending this to the whole list, but I do not know a > better contact > > is reporting ... > > GTALUG has a problem > > Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties. > > Try waiting a few minutes and reloading. > > (Can't contact the database server: Can't connect to local MySQL > server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) (localhost)) > > Thanks, all. > Terry. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gwalsh-BSvtlmuW8nk at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 31 17:13:35 2008 From: gwalsh-BSvtlmuW8nk at public.gmane.org (Gary Walsh) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:13:35 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <47F03730.4050401-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <1206894669.12875.20.camel@tpt30> <47F03730.4050401@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1206983615.16455.6.camel@tpt30> On Sun, 2008-03-30 at 20:58 -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > The KDE developers have known for a while that the Konqueror model if > browser+file manager+the kitchen sink isn't the way to go. Dolphin looks > reasonable as a replacement built specifically to manage files. > > I've been using Krusader with its two column view for manging files at > home, it is absolutely splendid. e.g. split view gui, and no mouse > required--and it works with regular KDE protocol integration like fish, > sftp, etc. > To tell you the truth, I probably use Midnight Commander for more file management operations than any other file manager. I haven't played with KDE4 much since it seems rather buggy at this point, but Dolphin looks like something I might use. -- Gary Walsh Kitchener, Ontario, Canada http://gwalsh.notw.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 31 20:01:48 2008 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:01:48 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <47F03730.4050401-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <1206894669.12875.20.camel@tpt30> <47F03730.4050401@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <47F1432C.7070902@dinamis.com> Jamon Camisso wrote: > Gary Walsh wrote: >> I am amused by this thread. Though I think that several KDE >> applications are excellent, Amarok for instance, everytime I switch to >> KDE from Gnome, I just find it annoying. I just prefer the way things >> are done in Gnome. Gnome looks better and I think that the Nautilus >> file manager is so much superior to KDE's Konqueror, and reminds me of >> OS/2's file manager, which I always liked. Funny, I have never liked Nautilus and I find GNOME ugly and KDE beautiful. Goes to show that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Vive la diff?rence! >> I don't understand why >> people prefer KDE over Gnome, but to each his own. I am reserving my >> opinion on KDE 4, which is a radical change from KDE 3 and may prove >> more attractive to me in time. >> > > The KDE developers have known for a while that the Konqueror model if > browser+file manager+the kitchen sink isn't the way to go. Dolphin looks > reasonable as a replacement built specifically to manage files. I like the Konqueror model and don't see the point of Dolphin. I have used Dolphin on KDE4 and it seems like a stripped-down Konqueror with all the useful bits removed. It seems to have inherited all the worst traits of Windows Explorer with none of its good traits. > I've been using Krusader with its two column view for manging files at > home, it is absolutely splendid. e.g. split view gui, and no mouse > required--and it works with regular KDE protocol integration like fish, > sftp, etc. You can have a split view, horizontal or vertical, with Konqueror too. I often use it this way. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 31 22:16:28 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:16:28 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <1206983615.16455.6.camel@tpt30> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <1206894669.12875.20.camel@tpt30> <47F03730.4050401@utoronto.ca> <1206983615.16455.6.camel@tpt30> Message-ID: <20080331221628.GA24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 01:13:35PM -0400, Gary Walsh wrote: > To tell you the truth, I probably use Midnight Commander for more file > management operations than any other file manager. I haven't played > with KDE4 much since it seems rather buggy at this point, but Dolphin > looks like something I might use. Personally I hate mc. It is so annoying to deal with. I use bash (or sometimes zsh) for my file management. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists