From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 00:27:16 2008 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:27:16 -0500 Subject: Canadian Web Host (Shared) with PHP 5.2.1 In-Reply-To: <1f13df280801310751h4888b7bfs7857c643d60134eb-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4793A1BA.8020100@rogers.com> <4793ABBE.1050704@rogers.com> <1f13df280801310751h4888b7bfs7857c643d60134eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A26764.7020302@ve3syb.ca> Giles Orr wrote: > On Jan 20, 2008 3:14 PM, Stephen wrote: >> I found http://hostpapa.ca/index.shtml >> >> They look good for me. Anyone use them? > > I keep looking at their listing, then shaking my head and going away. > And the next day I do it again. Am I reading this right? They're > offering me 1.5 Tb of storage (and 15 Tb of bandwidth) per month for > $6? Best to research them very carefully. Find out how long they have been around. The deal sounds too good to be true. We all know what that usually means. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 01:38:08 2008 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:38:08 -0500 Subject: RAID and Linux In-Reply-To: <20080131172613.GY26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080131171042.GA1816@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20080131172613.GY26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200801312038.08653.amarjan@pobox.com> On January 31, 2008 12:26:13 pm Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well if you use hardware raid then it isn't up to linux to support > adding to the existing raid, it depends on the raid controller. Some > support expanding a raid5, some do not. The only one I have worked with > was an ibm serveraid which certainly did support expanding the raid with > extra drives later. I used that feature a few times. Personally I > would rather use linux software raid since the performance for raid1 > certainly dropped significantly moving from linux software raid to the > ibm serveraid 4m with the same disks. Indeed, and there's also the question of reliability. With software raid, there's no controller to fail and possibly render your disks useless if you can't find a replacement. I'm particularly gun-shy about Dells -- my employer had an all-Dell contract a few years back and we suffered through frequent RAID failures. Actually, the whole server line seem to have been lemons, and the admins became afraid to reboot the servers because they never knew if a reboot would succeed. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 02:54:54 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:54:54 -0500 Subject: ubuntu 7.10 install Message-ID: <20080201025454.31701.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> I'm going to re-install ubuntu. I've so thoroughly pooched my system that a re-install is needed. For instance I can't even get into the system as regular user. The worst is having to use webmail (instead of thunderbird) for troubleshooting help. Before I get started I thought I'd clear up something. When configuring IP address should I choose dhcp, static or what? I have cable Internet access. I just want to make sure that other computers in our home will be able to print across the network to the printer attached to this machine. Also, I use scp across the network for backups. I've made this more complicated in the past than it should be so I thought I'd ask before I do this. I've cosen dhcp in the past thiking that means I'm saying yes to my isp assigning me an ip address via dhcp. Apparently that is not how it works. THe isp only gives an ip address to my router and then the router gives me a local address? If so, what do I answer when asked about things-network while installing ubuntu? I'm not really looking forward to this - the biggest thing is setting up raid again - looks like I did it okay last time (my first time) but now I'm going to have to re-learn the concepts. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 03:12:11 2008 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:12:11 -0500 Subject: ubuntu 7.10 install In-Reply-To: <20080201025454.31701.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080201025454.31701.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080131221211.ba1cdff1.tleslie@tcn.net> correct, if your router is the gateway, it receives the IP address from the cable ISP, the machine behind it, they can be static or DHCP, but the DHCP will come from your router. the router is usually pretty good about remembering the MAC address and reassigning the same IP to it next time, i.e. you can be some what assured that the puters in the home keep the same address they get from your routers DHCP, if they get turned off, etc. to be really safe you can just assign static to the puters in your house. so really you can go either way provided your home gateway router is set to act as a DHCP server too. if you don't want to go in and configure your router, you might want to go DHCP on the ubuntu install, because most home gateways, i think, are configed to be dhcp servers by default. -tl On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:54:54 -0500 chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > I'm going to re-install ubuntu. I've so thoroughly pooched my system that a > re-install is needed. For instance I can't even get into the system as > regular user. The worst is having to use webmail (instead of thunderbird) > for troubleshooting help. > > Before I get started I thought I'd clear up something. When configuring IP > address should I choose dhcp, static or what? I have cable Internet access. > I just want to make sure that other computers in our home will be able to > print across the network to the printer attached to this machine. Also, I > use scp across the network for backups. I've made this more complicated in > the past than it should be so I thought I'd ask before I do this. I've cosen > dhcp in the past thiking that means I'm saying yes to my isp assigning me an > ip address via dhcp. Apparently that is not how it works. THe isp only gives > an ip address to my router and then the router gives me a local address? If > so, what do I answer when asked about things-network while installing > ubuntu? > > I'm not really looking forward to this - the biggest thing is setting up > raid again - looks like I did it okay last time (my first time) but now I'm > going to have to re-learn the concepts. > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 03:25:57 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:25:57 -0500 Subject: ubuntu 7.10 install In-Reply-To: <20080201025454.31701.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080201025454.31701.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <47A29145.5010208@telly.org> chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > I'm going to re-install ubuntu. I've so thoroughly pooched my system > that a re-install is needed. For instance I can't even get into the > system as regular user. The worst is having to use webmail (instead of > thunderbird) for troubleshooting help. > Before I get started I thought I'd clear up something. When > configuring IP address should I choose dhcp, static or what? I have > cable Internet access. I just want to make sure that other computers > in our home will be able to print across the network to the printer > attached to this machine. Also, I use scp across the network for > backups. I've made this more complicated in the past than it should be > so I thought I'd ask before I do this. I've cosen dhcp in the past > thiking that means I'm saying yes to my isp assigning me an ip address > via dhcp. Apparently that is not how it works. The isp only gives an > ip address to my router and then the router gives me a local address? > If so, what do I answer when asked about things-network while > installing ubuntu? You have it generally right. Most routers used in this situation have their own DHCP server. It fetches a single IP from the service provider (which it uses to communicate between your router and the outside world), and then its DHCP server doles out local, private IP addresses within your home or office network. You would then just set up your Ubuntu system (and everything else on the local network) to use DHCP to get an address from the router. Usually in such setups, routers default to one of the IP address ranges reserved for private use (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network ) -- something like 192.168.2.XXX -- though most routers allow you to change that if you wish. Your computer never sees the IP address given to the router by your ISP, that is handled by the router through a technique called NAT or "IP Masquerading" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation). All your computer knows is that communications outside your own network need to go through the router. The important thing is that all the computers on your home network should be doing the same thing ... either they should *all* be fetching their IP addresses from the router's DHCP server, or you should manually set everything's static IP. Otherwise the systems on your network may have problems talking to each other. HTH, - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 03:39:27 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:39:27 -0500 Subject: Rogers speed test sites Message-ID: <47A2946F.2020305@telly.org> I didn't know if this has been mentioned here before, but in a recent support call I was told that Rogers maintains two websites that one can use to test their network speed. If you have Java (on my Ubuntu system I used the packages "sun-java6-bin" and "sun-java6-plugin"): http://speedcheck.rogers.com The nice thing about this site is that it measures speed to Rogers' own servers, and it shows how close your speed is to the service levels you're supposed to be getting. In the "Enter Session Name" field just enter "test" and the hit "click to start". If you don't have Java and/or don't use Rogers as your ISP, try http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest and pick New York as your server. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 03:49:56 2008 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:49:56 -0500 Subject: Rogers speed test sites In-Reply-To: <47A2946F.2020305-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47A2946F.2020305@telly.org> Message-ID: <4386c5b20801311949j44330d50vfe3753d03c691bb6@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the link. I use speedtest.net, which provides a much prettier interface AND a test server in Toronto, although the numbers aren't as high as for the Rogers test (9.74Mbps vs. 8.34Mbps). However, it's probably a more realistic test of the speeds you'll see in the real world, since most of the network connections I perform are outside of Rogers' network... Cheers, Aaron. On Jan 31, 2008 10:39 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I didn't know if this has been mentioned here before, but in a recent > support call I was told that Rogers maintains two websites that one can > use to test their network speed. > > If you have Java (on my Ubuntu system I used the packages > "sun-java6-bin" and "sun-java6-plugin"): > http://speedcheck.rogers.com > The nice thing about this site is that it measures speed to Rogers' own > servers, and it shows how close your speed is to the service levels > you're supposed to be getting. In the "Enter Session Name" field just > enter "test" and the hit "click to start". > > If you don't have Java and/or don't use Rogers as your ISP, try > http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest > and pick New York as your server. > > - Evan > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Aaron Vegh, Principal Innoveghtive Inc. P: (647) 477-2690 C: (905) 924-1220 www.innoveghtive.com www.website-in-a-day.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 05:01:09 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:01:09 -0500 Subject: ubuntu 7.10 install In-Reply-To: <20080201025454.31701.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080201025454.31701.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080201050109.21915.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org writes: > I'm going to re-install ubuntu. This look serious: [!!] Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk. UNable to installl GRUB in (hd0). Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. This is a fatal error. Where do I go from here? These drives (two identical WD 160 GB) are only a month old. Is this a dying/dead hard drive? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 05:44:37 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:44:37 -0500 Subject: ubuntu 7.10 install In-Reply-To: <20080201050109.21915.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080201025454.31701.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080201050109.21915.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080201054437.9377.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org writes: > chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org writes: > >> I'm going to re-install ubuntu. > > This look serious: > > [!!] Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk. UNable to installl GRUB > in (hd0). Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. This is a fatal error. I set up RAID 1 incorrectly. I did it properly now - I started the installation again - I think that should proceed now. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 05:58:40 2008 From: jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:58:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Rogers speed test sites In-Reply-To: <47A2946F.2020305-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47A2946F.2020305@telly.org> Message-ID: <41975.66.11.182.5.1201845520.squirrel@canuckster.org> I am with Cybersurf DSL. I used the speakeasy test and my speeds were... Download: 1406 kbps Upload: 138 kbps > I didn't know if this has been mentioned here before, but in a recent > support call I was told that Rogers maintains two websites that one can > use to test their network speed. > > If you have Java (on my Ubuntu system I used the packages > "sun-java6-bin" and "sun-java6-plugin"): > http://speedcheck.rogers.com > The nice thing about this site is that it measures speed to Rogers' own > servers, and it shows how close your speed is to the service levels > you're supposed to be getting. In the "Enter Session Name" field just > enter "test" and the hit "click to start". > > If you don't have Java and/or don't use Rogers as your ISP, try > http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest > and pick New York as your server. > > - Evan > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 12:49:17 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:49:17 -0500 Subject: Rogers speed test sites In-Reply-To: <47A2946F.2020305-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47A2946F.2020305@telly.org> Message-ID: <47A3154D.1070803@rogers.com> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I didn't know if this has been mentioned here before, but in a recent > support call I was told that Rogers maintains two websites that one can > use to test their network speed. > > If you have Java (on my Ubuntu system I used the packages > "sun-java6-bin" and "sun-java6-plugin"): > http://speedcheck.rogers.com > The nice thing about this site is that it measures speed to Rogers' own > servers, and it shows how close your speed is to the service levels > you're supposed to be getting. In the "Enter Session Name" field just > enter "test" and the hit "click to start". > > I'm getting 9.75 Mb down and 990 K up. Last time I checked, I was getting "only" 8 Mb & 800 K. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 12:53:37 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:53:37 -0500 Subject: Rogers speed test sites In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20801311949j44330d50vfe3753d03c691bb6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47A2946F.2020305@telly.org> <4386c5b20801311949j44330d50vfe3753d03c691bb6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A31651.8090201@rogers.com> Aaron Vegh wrote: > Thanks for the link. I use speedtest.net, which provides a much > prettier interface AND a test server in Toronto, although the numbers > aren't as high as for the Rogers test (9.74Mbps vs. 8.34Mbps). > However, it's probably a more realistic test of the speeds you'll see > in the real world, since most of the network connections I perform are > outside of Rogers' network... > > I just tried that and got results that were slightly less than what I get from the Rogers site. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 14:58:45 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:58:45 -0500 Subject: RAID and Linux In-Reply-To: <200801312038.08653.amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20080131171042.GA1816@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20080131172613.GY26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200801312038.08653.amarjan@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20080201145845.GA26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 08:38:08PM -0500, Andrej Marjan wrote: > Indeed, and there's also the question of reliability. With software raid, > there's no controller to fail and possibly render your disks useless if you > can't find a replacement. You can move them to any other controller you want in any machine. > I'm particularly gun-shy about Dells -- my employer had an all-Dell contract a > few years back and we suffered through frequent RAID failures. Actually, the > whole server line seem to have been lemons, and the admins became afraid to > reboot the servers because they never knew if a reboot would succeed. I wouldn't buy Dell that's for sure. I recently helped someone out that was running a lot of Dell servers, and one stopped working (it appeared like it would power on, but most of the time nothing would appear on the screen, while other times you would see the bios but then it would turn itself off. Letting it cool off for 20 minutes would get the bios to appear again for a minute or so before it would go back to just staying blank). The guess was that the power supply had gone, and of course the windows server install didn't want to boot on any other machine with different hardware, and calling Dell gave an answer of "We will let you know in 5 hours if we even have any spare parts for that model and if we do it will be 7 to 10 days to get them to you". I solved the problem with a google search and finding a used identical machine (well except for having a second cpu and twice the ram and 6 73GB scsi disks in it) in kitchener, then went and got it and we put the disks in that and got things back up. So much for service. And yet the other guy working on the problem (had been for about a week when I got there) said Dell had the best service out of all the big brand names. I don't think I want to buy a server from any of the name brand companies. Never mind the number of Dell laptops I have seen where the battery charging circuit has died near the end (or just after) the warrenty period. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 15:00:11 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:00:11 -0500 Subject: Rogers speed test sites In-Reply-To: <47A2946F.2020305-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47A2946F.2020305@telly.org> Message-ID: <20080201150011.GB26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 10:39:27PM -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I didn't know if this has been mentioned here before, but in a recent > support call I was told that Rogers maintains two websites that one can > use to test their network speed. > > If you have Java (on my Ubuntu system I used the packages > "sun-java6-bin" and "sun-java6-plugin"): > http://speedcheck.rogers.com > The nice thing about this site is that it measures speed to Rogers' own > servers, and it shows how close your speed is to the service levels > you're supposed to be getting. In the "Enter Session Name" field just > enter "test" and the hit "click to start". > > If you don't have Java and/or don't use Rogers as your ISP, try > http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest > and pick New York as your server. I just do 'apt-get dist-upgrade' on my system and see how fast it goes. If it goes at about 900KB/s then I am pretty sure the link is the 8MBit/s it is supposed to be. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 15:01:33 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:01:33 -0500 Subject: ubuntu 7.10 install In-Reply-To: <20080201025454.31701.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080201025454.31701.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080201150133.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 09:54:54PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > I'm going to re-install ubuntu. I've so thoroughly pooched my system that a > re-install is needed. For instance I can't even get into the system as > regular user. The worst is having to use webmail (instead of thunderbird) > for troubleshooting help. > > Before I get started I thought I'd clear up something. When configuring IP > address should I choose dhcp, static or what? I have cable Internet access. > I just want to make sure that other computers in our home will be able to > print across the network to the printer attached to this machine. Also, I > use scp across the network for backups. I've made this more complicated in > the past than it should be so I thought I'd ask before I do this. I've > cosen dhcp in the past thiking that means I'm saying yes to my isp > assigning me an ip address via dhcp. Apparently that is not how it works. > THe isp only gives an ip address to my router and then the router gives me > a local address? If so, what do I answer when asked about things-network > while installing ubuntu? If you want to have a fixed IP, then select static and enter the values. Since you are behind a router you don't need dhcp to get an IP from the internet since only the router has to do that step. > I'm not really looking forward to this - the biggest thing is setting up > raid again - looks like I did it okay last time (my first time) but now I'm > going to have to re-learn the concepts. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 16:22:25 2008 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:22:25 -0500 Subject: Rogers speed test sites In-Reply-To: <47A3154D.1070803-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47A2946F.2020305@telly.org> <47A3154D.1070803@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080201162222.GB19190@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 07:49:17AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > > I'm getting 9.75 Mb down and 990 K up. Last time I checked, I was > getting "only" 8 Mb & 800 K. Nice ! What service have you ? djp > > -- > Use OpenOffice.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 17:47:06 2008 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:47:06 -0500 Subject: Microsoft Offers $44.6 billion to Purchase Yahoo Message-ID: <47A35B1A.8030606@dinamis.com> Sympatico and Rogers are the two largest members of the oligopoly that provide Internet service to Canadians. Sympatico is already pro-Microsoft. Rogers will follow suit if this deal happens. This is bad news for Canadians. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 17:57:27 2008 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:57:27 -0500 Subject: Microsoft Offers $44.6 billion to Purchase Yahoo In-Reply-To: <47A35B1A.8030606-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47A35B1A.8030606@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <47A35D87.3050304@utoronto.ca> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Sympatico and Rogers are the two largest members of the oligopoly that > provide Internet service to Canadians. Sympatico is already > pro-Microsoft. Rogers will follow suit if this deal happens. This is bad > news for Canadians. You've read my thoughts exactly. Should the Federal Competition Bureau review this deal and prevent Rogers from following suit? Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 18:09:25 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:09:25 -0500 Subject: Microsoft Offers $44.6 billion to Purchase Yahoo In-Reply-To: <47A35B1A.8030606-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47A35B1A.8030606@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <47A36055.6040306@telly.org> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Sympatico and Rogers are the two largest members of the oligopoly that > provide Internet service to Canadians. Sympatico is already > pro-Microsoft. Rogers will follow suit if this deal happens. This is > bad news for Canadians. Not necessarily. Rogers, by virtue of their work so far with Yahoo, has been competing with MS. It is certainly possible that they will seek another partner or partners. A combination of Google and CTV Globemedia would be a viable alternative to what Rogers now offers; I highly doubt that Rogers will want to offer its customers a mere clone of what its competition offers. There are certainly areas in the US where the same thing is happening; the cable operator uses MSN and the main telco/DSL system uses Yahoo (or vice versa). This means that the MS/Yahoo deal will have to get past US anti-trust regulators, and with a Democratic Senate and lame duck US president, MS will not get the free ride it has enjoyed in the US for the last eight years. Not to say it won't happen... but it certainly won't happen easily or quickly. In any case... Yahoo has been been in steady decline for a decade, MS is offering far more than it's worth, and the payoff will likely be less than it expects (MS Live's own search systems are already far superior to Yahoo's). - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 19:02:24 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:02:24 -0500 Subject: RAID and Linux In-Reply-To: <20080201145845.GA26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080131171042.GA1816@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20080131172613.GY26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200801312038.08653.amarjan@pobox.com> <20080201145845.GA26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47A36CC0.7000208@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I wouldn't buy Dell that's for sure. I recently helped someone out that > was running a lot of Dell servers, and one stopped working (it appeared > like it would power on, but most of the time nothing would appear on the > screen, while other times you would see the bios but then it would turn > itself off. Letting it cool off for 20 minutes would get the bios to > appear again for a minute or so before it would go back to just staying > blank). The guess was that the power supply had gone, and of course the > windows server install didn't want to boot on any other machine with > different hardware, and calling Dell gave an answer of "We will let you > know in 5 hours if we even have any spare parts for that model and if we > do it will be 7 to 10 days to get them to you". I solved the problem > with a google search and finding a used identical machine (well except > for having a second cpu and twice the ram and 6 73GB scsi disks in it) > in kitchener, then went and got it and we put the disks in that and got > things back up. So much for service. And yet the other guy working on > the problem (had been for about a week when I got there) said Dell had > the best service out of all the big brand names. I don't think I want > to buy a server from any of the name brand companies. > > Never mind the number of Dell laptops I have seen where the battery > charging circuit has died near the end (or just after) the warrenty > period. > > My work computer is a Dell Inspiron notebook. What a piece of... As for service, I had to return my ThinkPad, for repair under warranty. IBM sent a shipping box via courier and I sent it in via courier and had it back in a very few days. If I'd paid for better service, I'd have had it back much earlier. There's a big difference between IBM and Dell, in both product quality and service. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 19:08:10 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:08:10 -0500 Subject: Rogers speed test sites In-Reply-To: <20080201162222.GB19190-f3ydu6uS1R7I9rkgco+hXrUXFt3QzJ1Y@public.gmane.org> References: <47A2946F.2020305@telly.org> <47A3154D.1070803@rogers.com> <20080201162222.GB19190@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <47A36E1A.1070708@rogers.com> David J Patrick wrote: > On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 07:49:17AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >> I'm getting 9.75 Mb down and 990 K up. Last time I checked, I was >> getting "only" 8 Mb & 800 K. >> > Nice ! What service have you ? > djp > Rogers cable modem. Another nice thing about them, is my IP address is virtually static and the host name, derivied from modem & firewall MAC addresses, is permanent. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 19:15:12 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:15:12 -0500 Subject: RAID and Linux In-Reply-To: <47A36CC0.7000208-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080131171042.GA1816@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20080131172613.GY26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200801312038.08653.amarjan@pobox.com> <20080201145845.GA26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47A36CC0.7000208@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080201191512.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 02:02:24PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > My work computer is a Dell Inspiron notebook. What a piece of... As > for service, I had to return my ThinkPad, for repair under warranty. > IBM sent a shipping box via courier and I sent it in via courier and had > it back in a very few days. If I'd paid for better service, I'd have > had it back much earlier. There's a big difference between IBM and > Dell, in both product quality and service. Sounds reasonable to me. My wife's Asus Tablet is having battery life problems, so it is going in for service. Asus says they will send fedex to pick it up, and it should be back in under a week. I think I will skip the fedex pickup and just drop it off on the way to work since the address to send it to is 4km north of my house in markham. They can send it back by fedex if they want. My wife just has to backup her latest data and all that this weekend before dropping it of. Sounds like decent service to me so far. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 19:15:48 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:15:48 -0500 Subject: Rogers speed test sites In-Reply-To: <47A36E1A.1070708-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47A2946F.2020305@telly.org> <47A3154D.1070803@rogers.com> <20080201162222.GB19190@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> <47A36E1A.1070708@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080201191548.GE26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 02:08:10PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Rogers cable modem. Another nice thing about them, is my IP address is > virtually static and the host name, derivied from modem & firewall MAC > addresses, is permanent. Too bad they reserve the right to cancel your service if you run servers or anything else they don't like on it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 19:31:08 2008 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:31:08 -0500 Subject: ubuntu 7.10 install In-Reply-To: <20080201025454.31701.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080201025454.31701.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <47A3737C.8090706@utoronto.ca> chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > I'm going to re-install ubuntu. I've so thoroughly pooched my system > that a re-install is needed. For instance I can't even get into the > system as regular user. The worst is having to use webmail (instead of > thunderbird) for troubleshooting help. > Before I get started I thought I'd clear up something. When configuring > IP address should I choose dhcp, static or what? I have cable Internet > access. I just want to make sure that other computers in our home will > be able to print across the network to the printer attached to this > machine. Also, I use scp across the network for backups. I've made this > more complicated in the past than it should be so I thought I'd ask > before I do this. I've cosen dhcp in the past thiking that means I'm > saying yes to my isp assigning me an ip address via dhcp. Apparently > that is not how it works. THe isp only gives an ip address to my router > and then the router gives me a local address? If so, what do I answer > when asked about things-network while installing ubuntu? > I'm not really looking forward to this - the biggest thing is setting up > raid again - looks like I did it okay last time (my first time) but now > I'm going to have to re-learn the concepts. > Chris The router uses DHCP to get an IP address from the cable ISP. Each of the computers in turn will use DHCP to get an ip address from the router. Ubuntu is set up to use DHCP by default if I'm not mistaken. There's another method called Link-Local Addressing which is part of Zero Configuration Networking, but I don't know how simple this is to install on Ubuntu or whether your router supports it. To share the printer on the local network, make sure that CUPS is broadcasting (or announcing) the printer on the local network. As for backup networking check out this tutorial on file sharing with ftp and zeroconf: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=218630 There are two ways of handling RAID: 1) Linux software RAID: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408461 2) Installing on a system where RAID has been turned on in the BIOS. (FakeRAID) used on systems where you may want to dual boot Linux and Windows. Frowned upon in these parts: http://wiki.eyermonkey.com/My_Ubuntu_%287.10%29_Installation#Installation_on_RAID_0 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 19:36:41 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:36:41 -0500 Subject: Rogers speed test sites In-Reply-To: <20080201191548.GE26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47A2946F.2020305@telly.org> <47A3154D.1070803@rogers.com> <20080201162222.GB19190@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> <47A36E1A.1070708@rogers.com> <20080201191548.GE26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47A374C9.2010201@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 02:08:10PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >> Rogers cable modem. Another nice thing about them, is my IP address is >> virtually static and the host name, derivied from modem & firewall MAC >> addresses, is permanent. >> > > Too bad they reserve the right to cancel your service if you run servers > or anything else they don't like on it. > > According to what I read on their site a while ago, those rights are a "just in case" type of solution. If you don't cause problems, they won't bother you. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 19:43:31 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:43:31 -0500 Subject: Rogers speed test sites In-Reply-To: <47A374C9.2010201-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47A2946F.2020305@telly.org> <47A3154D.1070803@rogers.com> <20080201162222.GB19190@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> <47A36E1A.1070708@rogers.com> <20080201191548.GE26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47A374C9.2010201@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47A37663.1090409@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: >> Too bad they reserve the right to cancel your service if you run servers >> or anything else they don't like on it. > > According to what I read on their site a while ago, those rights are a > "just in case" type of solution. If you don't cause problems, they > won't bother you. Tell that to all the people who had their accounts canceled for downloading too much. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 19:55:55 2008 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:55:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Rogers speed test sites In-Reply-To: <47A374C9.2010201-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47A2946F.2020305@telly.org> <47A3154D.1070803@rogers.com> <20080201162222.GB19190@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> <47A36E1A.1070708@rogers.com> <20080201191548.GE26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47A374C9.2010201@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, James Knott wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 02:08:10PM -0500, James Knott wrote: >> >>> Rogers cable modem. Another nice thing about them, is my IP address is >>> virtually static and the host name, derivied from modem & firewall MAC >>> addresses, is permanent. >> >> Too bad they reserve the right to cancel your service if you run servers >> or anything else they don't like on it. > > According to what I read on their site a while ago, those rights are a > "just in case" type of solution. If you don't cause problems, they > won't bother you. When I was on Rogers, I received a warning because I had an FTP server open to the web -- even though there was little or no traffic on it. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 20:33:39 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:33:39 -0500 Subject: Rogers speed test sites In-Reply-To: References: <47A2946F.2020305@telly.org> <47A3154D.1070803@rogers.com> <20080201162222.GB19190@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> <47A36E1A.1070708@rogers.com> <20080201191548.GE26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47A374C9.2010201@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080201203339.GF26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 02:55:55PM -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > When I was on Rogers, I received a warning because I had an FTP > server open to the web -- even though there was little or no > traffic on it. I remember someone telling me they got a notice about running a mail server. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 20:34:42 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:34:42 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <20080131143054.GS26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130180227.689.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130180905.GE26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080130191725.1060.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130195908.GG26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080130225013.17843.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131005555.GL26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131020815.28058.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131143054.GS26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47A38262.4000709@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I do see some claims that things work much better with alsa 1.0.15 > rather than 1.0.14. That unfortunately requires 2.6.24 kernel or an > external alsa driver compile. So, I can do this even though I have the following kernel?: chris at cpc:~$ cat /proc/version Linux version 2.6.22-14-generic (buildd at terranova) (gcc version 4.1.3 20070929 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.2-16ubuntu2)) #1 SMP Tue Dec 18 08:02:57 UTC 2007 Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 20:45:32 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:45:32 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <20080131144248.GT26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47A384EC.9020402@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 06:43:45AM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> I guess I can't install that with apt-get... >> > > Well one method would be to just get the .deb packages from somewhere > that has them such as ubuntu hardy. > Okay, I have my new ubuntu 7.10 installation. I'm ready to install alsa 1.0.15 now. > You can get the .deb's and install them with dpkg -i blah.deb ... > > You can find them here: > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/ > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/ > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-plugins/ > So, to instal those I follow the links to download and they'll contiain readme files to install? > And you can get the alsa-firmware for 1.0.15 from the same place you got > it before, or you can get it here: > > http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsmithe/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-firmware/ > Do I do that by putting that repo (above) into /etc/apt/sources.list the running 'sudo apt-get install alsa-firmware? Chris > -- > Len Sorensen > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 1 20:57:20 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:57:20 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <20080131144248.GT26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47A387B0.3030009@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 06:43:45AM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> I guess I can't install that with apt-get... >> > > Well one method would be to just get the .deb packages from somewhere > that has them such as ubuntu hardy. > > You can get the .deb's and install them with dpkg -i blah.deb ... > > You can find them here: > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ > Which of these look good?: http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/alsa-driver_1.0.15-4ubuntu1.diff.gz http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/alsa-driver_1.0.15.orig.tar.gz > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/ > Again?... http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/alsa-lib_1.0.15-3ubuntu3.diff.gz http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/alsa-lib_1.0.15.orig.tar.gz > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/ > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/alsa-utils_1.0.15.orig.tar.gz http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/alsa-utils_1.0.15-2ubuntu1_i386.deb [this one has a '?' before it in the index] > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-plugins/ > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-plugins/alsa-plugins_1.0.15.orig.tar.gz http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-plugins/libasound2-plugins_1.0.15-1ubuntu2_i386.deb Please let me know which of all the above look good. Chris > And you can get the alsa-firmware for 1.0.15 from the same place you got > it before, or you can get it here: > > http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsmithe/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-firmware/ > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 2 04:12:50 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:12:50 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <20080131144248.GT26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47A3EDC2.6070105@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 06:43:45AM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> I guess I can't install that with apt-get... >> > > Well one method would be to just get the .deb packages from somewhere > that has them such as ubuntu hardy. > > You can get the .deb's and install them with dpkg -i blah.deb ... > > You can find them here: > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ > Why is there never any one around when I'm doin the really scary stuff. Oh, well, here's trashin' my system... Okay, at the above site there is no .deb file with the name 'alsa-driver' in it. So, I chose 'alsa-driver_1.0.15.orig.tar.gz I downloaded that to my desktop and ran 'sudo tar -xzvf /home/chris/Desktop/alsa-driver* That unpackaged everything in to my home drive. I did cd to get into the 'alsa-driver-1.0.15' directory. I started the steps from the 'INSTALL' readme and ran./configure: chris at cpc:~/alsa-driver-1.0.15$ ./configure checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables See `config.log' for more details. So, do I have to do apt-get install gcc before any of this will work? Chris > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/ > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/ > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-plugins/ > > And you can get the alsa-firmware for 1.0.15 from the same place you got > it before, or you can get it here: > > http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsmithe/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-firmware/ > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 2 04:16:04 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:16:04 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <47A3EDC2.6070105-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47A3EDC2.6070105@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47A3EE84.10207@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 06:43:45AM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> >>> I guess I can't install that with apt-get... >> >> Well one method would be to just get the .deb packages from somewhere >> that has them such as ubuntu hardy. >> >> You can get the .deb's and install them with dpkg -i blah.deb ... >> >> You can find them here: >> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ >> > Why is there never any one around when I'm doin the really scary > stuff. Oh, well, here's trashin' my system... > > Okay, at the above site there is no .deb file with the name > 'alsa-driver' in it. So, I chose 'alsa-driver_1.0.15.orig.tar.gz > > I downloaded that to my desktop and ran 'sudo tar -xzvf > /home/chris/Desktop/alsa-driver* > > That unpackaged everything in to my home drive. I did cd to get into > the 'alsa-driver-1.0.15' directory. I started the steps from the > 'INSTALL' readme and ran./configure: > > chris at cpc:~/alsa-driver-1.0.15$ ./configure > checking for gcc... gcc > checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: > C compiler cannot create executables > See `config.log' for more details. > > So, do I have to do apt-get install gcc before any of this will work? I guess not... chris at cpc:~$ sudo apt-get install gcc Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done gcc is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > > Chris > >> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/ >> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/ >> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-plugins/ >> >> And you can get the alsa-firmware for 1.0.15 from the same place you got >> it before, or you can get it here: >> >> http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsmithe/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-firmware/ >> >> -- >> Len Sorensen >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> >> > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 2 04:29:18 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:29:18 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <20080131145538.GU26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131145538.GU26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47A3F19E.4000704@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 09:42:48AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> Well one method would be to just get the .deb packages from somewhere >> that has them such as ubuntu hardy. >> >> You can get the .deb's and install them with dpkg -i blah.deb ... >> >> You can find them here: >> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ >> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/ >> Okay, I found a .deb there (libasound2_1.0.15-3ubuntu3_i386.deb). I downloaded that and ran dpkg and it told me there is an unsatisfied dependency so I tried apt-get install that dependency and then was advised 'You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these'. So I that's what I'm doing. Since there's no one around I'm going to go ahead with all this then you guys can tell me what I did wrong so I can do another reinstall on Sunday night. Man, endlessly screwing around with things that are way over my head is so much more satisfying than actually bein gable to just record music on my emu1212m: chris at cpc:~$ sudo dpkg -i /home/chris/Desktop/libasound* (Reading database ... 89528 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace libasound2 1.0.14-1ubuntu8 (using .../libasound2_1.0.15-3ubuntu3_i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement libasound2 ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libasound2: libasound2 depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1); however: Version of libc6 on system is 2.6.1-1ubuntu10. dpkg: error processing libasound2 (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: libasound2 chris at cpc:~$ sudo apt-get install libc6 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done libc6 is already the newest version. You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libasound2: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.6.1-1ubuntu10 is to be installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). chris at cpc:~$ sudo apt-get -f install Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: alacarte alsa-utils bluez-utils bsh bug-buddy compiz compiz-gnome contact-lookup-applet deskbar-applet ekiga eog evince evolution evolution-data-server evolution-exchange evolution-plugins evolution-webcal f-spot fast-user-switch-applet file-roller firefox-gnome-support gconf-editor gdm gedit gij gij-4.2 gnome-about gnome-applets gnome-btdownload gnome-control-center gnome-games gnome-keyring-manager gnome-media gnome-netstatus-applet gnome-orca gnome-panel gnome-pilot gnome-pilot-conduits gnome-power-manager gnome-session gnome-spell gnome-terminal gnome-user-guide gnome-utils gnome-volume-manager gstreamer0.10-alsa gstreamer0.10-esd gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gthumb gtkhtml3.14 gucharmap hal-device-manager hwdb-client-gnome libasound2 libbonoboui2-0 libdeskbar-tracker libebook1.2-9 libecal1.2-7 libedata-book1.2-2 libedata-cal1.2-6 libedataserverui1.2-8 libeel2-2 libesd-alsa0 libexchange-storage1.2-3 libgail-gnome-module libgcj-bc libgcj8-1 libgconf2.0-cil libgdl-1-0 libgdl-gnome-1-0 libgnome-desktop-2 libgnome-window-settings1 libgnome2-0 libgnome2-perl libgnome2.0-cil libgnomeui-0 libgtkhtml2.0-cil libgtkhtml3.14-19 libgtkhtml3.8-15 libgucharmap6 libhsqldb-java libjaxp1.3-java libjline-java liblpint-bonobo0 libpanel-applet2-0 libpt-plugins-alsa libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-alsa libservlet2.4-java libxalan2-java libxerces2-java nautilus nautilus-cd-burner network-manager-gnome openoffice.org openoffice.org-base openoffice.org-evolution openoffice.org-java-common python-gnome2 python-gnome2-desktop python-gnome2-extras rhythmbox serpentine sound-juicer tomboy totem totem-gstreamer totem-mozilla tracker-search-tool tsclient ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-docs ubuntu-minimal update-notifier vino yelp 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 116 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 1 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking, 359MB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? So, I guess I'll be entering 'Y' which is going to remove a bunch of software from my computer for what reason I know not... >> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/ >> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-plugins/ >> >> And you can get the alsa-firmware for 1.0.15 from the same place you got >> it before, or you can get it here: >> >> http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsmithe/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-firmware/ >> > > If you do install all those updated alsa packages (and I guess any > dependancies they demand as well), then you can compile and install the > updated alsa-source drivers with this command: > > apt-get install module-assistant > m-a -t prepare > m-a a-i -t alsa > > That should hopefully work OK, and after a reboot you should hopefully > see alsa version 1.0.15 in /proc/asound/version > > Hopefully at that point the mixer settings become more sane since it > won't be the very first early release of support for the emu, but rather > the updated and somewhat more complete driver. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 2 04:50:59 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:50:59 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <47A3F19E.4000704-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131145538.GU26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47A3F19E.4000704@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47A3F6B3.6030807@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 09:42:48AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >>> Well one method would be to just get the .deb packages from somewhere >>> that has them such as ubuntu hardy. >>> >>> You can get the .deb's and install them with dpkg -i blah.deb ... >>> >>> You can find them here: >>> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ >>> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/ >>> > Okay, I found a .deb there (libasound2_1.0.15-3ubuntu3_i386.deb). I > downloaded that and ran dpkg and it told me there is an unsatisfied > dependency so I tried apt-get install that dependency and then was > advised 'You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these'. > So I that's what I'm doing. Since there's no one around I'm going to > go ahead with all this then you guys can tell me what I did wrong so I > can do another reinstall on Sunday night. Man, endlessly screwing > around with things that are way over my head is so much more > satisfying than actually bein gable to just record music on my emu1212m: > > chris at cpc:~$ sudo dpkg -i /home/chris/Desktop/libasound* > (Reading database ... 89528 files and directories currently installed.) > Preparing to replace libasound2 1.0.14-1ubuntu8 (using > .../libasound2_1.0.15-3ubuntu3_i386.deb) ... > Unpacking replacement libasound2 ... > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libasound2: > libasound2 depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1); however: > Version of libc6 on system is 2.6.1-1ubuntu10. > dpkg: error processing libasound2 (--install): > dependency problems - leaving unconfigured > Errors were encountered while processing: > libasound2 > chris at cpc:~$ sudo apt-get install libc6 > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done > libc6 is already the newest version. > You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > libasound2: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.6.1-1ubuntu10 is to be > installed > E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or > specify a solution). > chris at cpc:~$ sudo apt-get -f install > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done > Correcting dependencies... Done > The following packages will be REMOVED: > alacarte alsa-utils bluez-utils bsh bug-buddy compiz compiz-gnome > contact-lookup-applet deskbar-applet ekiga eog evince > evolution evolution-data-server evolution-exchange evolution-plugins > evolution-webcal f-spot fast-user-switch-applet > file-roller firefox-gnome-support gconf-editor gdm gedit gij gij-4.2 > gnome-about gnome-applets gnome-btdownload > gnome-control-center gnome-games gnome-keyring-manager gnome-media > gnome-netstatus-applet gnome-orca gnome-panel > gnome-pilot gnome-pilot-conduits gnome-power-manager gnome-session > gnome-spell gnome-terminal gnome-user-guide > gnome-utils gnome-volume-manager gstreamer0.10-alsa gstreamer0.10-esd > gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gthumb gtkhtml3.14 > gucharmap hal-device-manager hwdb-client-gnome libasound2 > libbonoboui2-0 libdeskbar-tracker libebook1.2-9 libecal1.2-7 > libedata-book1.2-2 libedata-cal1.2-6 libedataserverui1.2-8 libeel2-2 > libesd-alsa0 libexchange-storage1.2-3 > libgail-gnome-module libgcj-bc libgcj8-1 libgconf2.0-cil libgdl-1-0 > libgdl-gnome-1-0 libgnome-desktop-2 > libgnome-window-settings1 libgnome2-0 libgnome2-perl libgnome2.0-cil > libgnomeui-0 libgtkhtml2.0-cil libgtkhtml3.14-19 > libgtkhtml3.8-15 libgucharmap6 libhsqldb-java libjaxp1.3-java > libjline-java liblpint-bonobo0 libpanel-applet2-0 > libpt-plugins-alsa libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-alsa > libservlet2.4-java libxalan2-java libxerces2-java nautilus > nautilus-cd-burner network-manager-gnome openoffice.org > openoffice.org-base openoffice.org-evolution > openoffice.org-java-common python-gnome2 python-gnome2-desktop > python-gnome2-extras rhythmbox serpentine sound-juicer > tomboy totem totem-gstreamer totem-mozilla tracker-search-tool > tsclient ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-docs ubuntu-minimal > update-notifier vino yelp > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 116 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > 1 not fully installed or removed. > Need to get 0B of archives. > After unpacking, 359MB disk space will be freed. > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? So, I hit 'Y' and here is what was yanked off my system: (Reading database ... 89529 files and directories currently installed.) Removing ekiga ... Removing libpt-plugins-alsa ... Removing libsdl1.2debian ... Removing libsdl1.2debian-alsa ... Removing ubuntu-desktop ... Removing totem ... Removing totem-mozilla ... Removing totem-gstreamer ... Removing rhythmbox ... Removing sound-juicer ... Removing serpentine ... Removing gnome-media ... Removing gnome-applets ... Removing gstreamer0.10-plugins-good ... Removing gstreamer0.10-alsa ... Removing openoffice.org-evolution ... Removing openoffice.org ... Removing openoffice.org-base ... Removing openoffice.org-java-common ... Removing libxalan2-java ... Removing libxerces2-java ... Removing libhsqldb-java ... Removing libservlet2.4-java ... Removing libjaxp1.3-java ... Removing bsh ... Removing libjline-java ... Removing gij ... Removing gij-4.2 ... Removing libgcj-bc ... Removing libgcj8-1 ... Removing fast-user-switch-applet ... Removing gdm ... Removing gnome-session ... Removing alacarte ... Removing gnome-panel ... Removing nautilus-cd-burner ... Removing nautilus ... Removing gnome-terminal ... Removing gnome-control-center ... Removing tomboy ... Removing compiz ... Removing compiz-gnome ... Removing tsclient ... Removing gnome-orca ... Removing libgail-gnome-module ... Removing gnome-utils ... Removing f-spot ... Removing libgconf2.0-cil ... Removing gnome-games ... Removing libdeskbar-tracker ... Removing deskbar-applet ... Removing python-gnome2-extras ... Removing python-gnome2-desktop ... Removing gnome-power-manager ... Removing gnome-pilot-conduits ... Removing gnome-pilot ... Removing gnome-netstatus-applet ... Removing contact-lookup-applet ... Removing evolution-plugins ... Removing evolution-exchange ... Removing evolution ... Removing gtkhtml3.14 ... Removing libgtkhtml3.14-19 ... Removing eog ... Removing tracker-search-tool ... Removing libeel2-2 ... Removing gnome-about ... Removing gedit ... Removing firefox-gnome-support ... Removing file-roller ... Removing evince ... Removing ubuntu-docs ... Removing gnome-user-guide ... Removing yelp ... Removing vino ... Removing update-notifier ... Removing network-manager-gnome ... Removing libgnome2-perl ... Removing gucharmap ... Removing libgucharmap6 ... Removing gthumb ... Removing gnome-volume-manager ... Removing gnome-spell ... Removing hal-device-manager ... Removing hwdb-client-gnome ... Removing gnome-btdownload ... Removing python-gnome2 ... Removing gnome-keyring-manager ... Removing libgdl-gnome-1-0 ... Removing libgdl-1-0 ... Removing gconf-editor ... Removing evolution-webcal ... Removing bug-buddy ... Removing libexchange-storage1.2-3 ... Removing libedataserverui1.2-8 ... Removing evolution-data-server ... Removing libedata-cal1.2-6 ... Removing libedata-book1.2-2 ... Removing libecal1.2-7 ... Removing libebook1.2-9 ... Removing liblpint-bonobo0 ... Removing gstreamer0.10-esd ... Removing bluez-utils ... * Stopping Bluetooth services [ OK ] Removing ubuntu-minimal ... Removing alsa-utils ... Removing libgnome-window-settings1 ... Removing libgnome2.0-cil ... Removing libgtkhtml2.0-cil ... Removing libpanel-applet2-0 ... Removing libgnome-desktop-2 ... Removing libgtkhtml3.8-15 ... Removing libgnomeui-0 ... Removing libbonoboui2-0 ... Removing libgnome2-0 ... Removing libesd-alsa0 ... Removing libasound2 ... Processing triggers for libc6 ... ldconfig deferred processing now taking place I am sure ubuntu has a very good reason for removing 150 or so apps from my computer to help me install alsa... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 2 04:54:28 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:54:28 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <47A3F6B3.6030807-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131145538.GU26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47A3F19E.4000704@chrisaitken.net> <47A3F6B3.6030807@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47A3F784.6090503@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 09:42:48AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>> >>>> Well one method would be to just get the .deb packages from somewhere >>>> that has them such as ubuntu hardy. >>>> >>>> You can get the .deb's and install them with dpkg -i blah.deb ... >>>> >>>> You can find them here: >>>> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ >>>> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/ >>>> >> Okay, I found a .deb there (libasound2_1.0.15-3ubuntu3_i386.deb). I >> downloaded that and ran dpkg and it told me there is an unsatisfied >> dependency so I tried apt-get install that dependency and then was >> advised 'You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct >> these'. So I that's what I'm doing. Since there's no one around I'm >> going to go ahead with all this then you guys can tell me what I did >> wrong so I can do another reinstall on Sunday night. Man, endlessly >> screwing around with things that are way over my head is so much more >> satisfying than actually bein gable to just record music on my emu1212m: >> >> chris at cpc:~$ sudo dpkg -i /home/chris/Desktop/libasound* >> (Reading database ... 89528 files and directories currently installed.) >> Preparing to replace libasound2 1.0.14-1ubuntu8 (using >> .../libasound2_1.0.15-3ubuntu3_i386.deb) ... >> Unpacking replacement libasound2 ... >> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libasound2: >> libasound2 depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1); however: >> Version of libc6 on system is 2.6.1-1ubuntu10. >> dpkg: error processing libasound2 (--install): >> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured >> Errors were encountered while processing: >> libasound2 >> chris at cpc:~$ sudo apt-get install libc6 >> Reading package lists... Done >> Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done >> libc6 is already the newest version. >> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: >> The following packages have unmet dependencies: >> libasound2: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.6.1-1ubuntu10 is to be >> installed >> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or >> specify a solution). >> chris at cpc:~$ sudo apt-get -f install >> Reading package lists... Done >> Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done >> Correcting dependencies... Done >> The following packages will be REMOVED: >> alacarte alsa-utils bluez-utils bsh bug-buddy compiz compiz-gnome >> contact-lookup-applet deskbar-applet ekiga eog evince >> evolution evolution-data-server evolution-exchange evolution-plugins >> evolution-webcal f-spot fast-user-switch-applet >> file-roller firefox-gnome-support gconf-editor gdm gedit gij gij-4.2 >> gnome-about gnome-applets gnome-btdownload >> gnome-control-center gnome-games gnome-keyring-manager gnome-media >> gnome-netstatus-applet gnome-orca gnome-panel >> gnome-pilot gnome-pilot-conduits gnome-power-manager gnome-session >> gnome-spell gnome-terminal gnome-user-guide >> gnome-utils gnome-volume-manager gstreamer0.10-alsa >> gstreamer0.10-esd gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gthumb gtkhtml3.14 >> gucharmap hal-device-manager hwdb-client-gnome libasound2 >> libbonoboui2-0 libdeskbar-tracker libebook1.2-9 libecal1.2-7 >> libedata-book1.2-2 libedata-cal1.2-6 libedataserverui1.2-8 libeel2-2 >> libesd-alsa0 libexchange-storage1.2-3 >> libgail-gnome-module libgcj-bc libgcj8-1 libgconf2.0-cil libgdl-1-0 >> libgdl-gnome-1-0 libgnome-desktop-2 >> libgnome-window-settings1 libgnome2-0 libgnome2-perl libgnome2.0-cil >> libgnomeui-0 libgtkhtml2.0-cil libgtkhtml3.14-19 >> libgtkhtml3.8-15 libgucharmap6 libhsqldb-java libjaxp1.3-java >> libjline-java liblpint-bonobo0 libpanel-applet2-0 >> libpt-plugins-alsa libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-alsa >> libservlet2.4-java libxalan2-java libxerces2-java nautilus >> nautilus-cd-burner network-manager-gnome openoffice.org >> openoffice.org-base openoffice.org-evolution >> openoffice.org-java-common python-gnome2 python-gnome2-desktop >> python-gnome2-extras rhythmbox serpentine sound-juicer >> tomboy totem totem-gstreamer totem-mozilla tracker-search-tool >> tsclient ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-docs ubuntu-minimal >> update-notifier vino yelp >> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 116 to remove and 0 not upgraded. >> 1 not fully installed or removed. >> Need to get 0B of archives. >> After unpacking, 359MB disk space will be freed. >> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? > So, I hit 'Y' and here is what was yanked off my system: > > > (Reading database ... 89529 files and directories currently installed.) > Removing ekiga ... > Removing libpt-plugins-alsa ... > Removing libsdl1.2debian ... > Removing libsdl1.2debian-alsa ... > Removing ubuntu-desktop ... > Removing totem ... > Removing totem-mozilla ... > Removing totem-gstreamer ... > Removing rhythmbox ... > Removing sound-juicer ... > Removing serpentine ... > Removing gnome-media ... > Removing gnome-applets ... > Removing gstreamer0.10-plugins-good ... > Removing gstreamer0.10-alsa ... > Removing openoffice.org-evolution ... > Removing openoffice.org ... > Removing openoffice.org-base ... > Removing openoffice.org-java-common ... > Removing libxalan2-java ... > Removing libxerces2-java ... > Removing libhsqldb-java ... > Removing libservlet2.4-java ... > Removing libjaxp1.3-java ... > Removing bsh ... > Removing libjline-java ... > Removing gij ... > Removing gij-4.2 ... > Removing libgcj-bc ... > Removing libgcj8-1 ... > Removing fast-user-switch-applet ... > Removing gdm ... > Removing gnome-session ... > Removing alacarte ... > Removing gnome-panel ... > Removing nautilus-cd-burner ... > Removing nautilus ... > Removing gnome-terminal ... > Removing gnome-control-center ... > Removing tomboy ... > Removing compiz ... > Removing compiz-gnome ... > Removing tsclient ... > Removing gnome-orca ... > Removing libgail-gnome-module ... > Removing gnome-utils ... > Removing f-spot ... > Removing libgconf2.0-cil ... > Removing gnome-games ... > Removing libdeskbar-tracker ... > Removing deskbar-applet ... > Removing python-gnome2-extras ... > Removing python-gnome2-desktop ... > Removing gnome-power-manager ... > Removing gnome-pilot-conduits ... > Removing gnome-pilot ... > Removing gnome-netstatus-applet ... > Removing contact-lookup-applet ... > Removing evolution-plugins ... > Removing evolution-exchange ... > Removing evolution ... > Removing gtkhtml3.14 ... > Removing libgtkhtml3.14-19 ... > Removing eog ... > Removing tracker-search-tool ... > Removing libeel2-2 ... > Removing gnome-about ... > Removing gedit ... > Removing firefox-gnome-support ... > Removing file-roller ... > Removing evince ... > Removing ubuntu-docs ... > Removing gnome-user-guide ... > Removing yelp ... > Removing vino ... > Removing update-notifier ... > Removing network-manager-gnome ... > Removing libgnome2-perl ... > Removing gucharmap ... > Removing libgucharmap6 ... > Removing gthumb ... > Removing gnome-volume-manager ... > Removing gnome-spell ... > Removing hal-device-manager ... > Removing hwdb-client-gnome ... > Removing gnome-btdownload ... > Removing python-gnome2 ... > Removing gnome-keyring-manager ... > Removing libgdl-gnome-1-0 ... > Removing libgdl-1-0 ... > Removing gconf-editor ... > Removing evolution-webcal ... > Removing bug-buddy ... > Removing libexchange-storage1.2-3 ... > Removing libedataserverui1.2-8 ... > Removing evolution-data-server ... > Removing libedata-cal1.2-6 ... > Removing libedata-book1.2-2 ... > Removing libecal1.2-7 ... > Removing libebook1.2-9 ... > Removing liblpint-bonobo0 ... > Removing gstreamer0.10-esd ... > Removing bluez-utils ... > * Stopping Bluetooth > services > [ OK ] > Removing ubuntu-minimal ... > Removing alsa-utils ... > Removing libgnome-window-settings1 ... > Removing libgnome2.0-cil ... > Removing libgtkhtml2.0-cil ... > Removing libpanel-applet2-0 ... > Removing libgnome-desktop-2 ... > Removing libgtkhtml3.8-15 ... > Removing libgnomeui-0 ... > Removing libbonoboui2-0 ... > Removing libgnome2-0 ... > Removing libesd-alsa0 ... > Removing libasound2 ... > Processing triggers for libc6 ... > ldconfig deferred processing now taking place > > I am sure ubuntu has a very good reason for removing 150 or so apps > from my computer to help me install alsa... And still ubuntu is not happy (and wants me to repeat that 'sudo apt-get -f install' madness: chris at cpc:~$ sudo dpkg -i /home/chris/Desktop/libasound* [sudo] password for chris: Selecting previously deselected package libasound2. (Reading database ... 79080 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking libasound2 (from .../libasound2_1.0.15-3ubuntu3_i386.deb) ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libasound2: libasound2 depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1); however: Version of libc6 on system is 2.6.1-1ubuntu10. dpkg: error processing libasound2 (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: libasound2 chris at cpc:~$ sudo apt-get install libc6 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done libc6 is already the newest version. You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libasound2: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.6.1-1ubuntu10 is to be installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). So, what's broken? ubuntu? dpkg? Me? Chris > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 2 15:48:53 2008 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:48:53 -0500 Subject: using screen In-Reply-To: <20080131171236.GB1816-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20080131071644.GB29267@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20080131141956.GR26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131171236.GB1816@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <49e826e90802020748w5da3228dm773bedeb6d2b28ef@mail.gmail.com> Screen is also a good tool for remote interaction among many fine features. Asaf On Jan 31, 2008 12:12 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman < william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 09:19:56AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > >Sending an xoff tells the terminal to pause. sending an xon (C-q) lets > >it go again. Similar to scroll lock on a linux text console. > > Excellent, that's just what I needed. Thanks. > -- > > yours, > > William > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFHogGEHQtmiuz+KT8RAkHEAKCOtYTvAfRAZg+QfFSrK6hxxazjhgCgk5a3 > 9z7o39YdFHhu97faPoXGkWQ= > =LZaj > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- "I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." - Richard P. Feynman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 2 19:08:10 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:08:10 -0500 Subject: thunderbird font size Message-ID: <47A4BF9A.1040309@chrisaitken.net> When doing a Reply to an email (in Thunderbird) the font is too big. This apparently is not a problem with a freshly-minted email (as you can see in this one). What's changed on my system is that I did a re-install of ubuntu. I copied my mail file (just what I generically call it - a mail /directory/ really) to my computer from the backed up copy. I don't keep my mail file in .mozilla-thunderbird. Instead, I keep it in a folder that I back up regularly (so I won't forget to back it up) - let's call my mail directory (and location), /bckupdrv/mymail. I'm wondering if there's a preferences (or called whatever) file/directory that is in the original (default) mail folder. So, in my directory-of-choice I can't get Thunderbird settings to persist. For example, I have to go to Format>Size and choose 'small', or hit the little A v button in the Formatting Toolbar (above the contents pane) - but the setting won't persist (from email-to-email). And, again, this seems to only be a problem doing a Reply To (not a fresh email). Any suggestions? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 2 19:09:11 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:09:11 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <20080131144248.GT26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47A4BFD7.9020404@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 06:43:45AM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> I guess I can't install that with apt-get... >> > > Well one method would be to just get the .deb packages from somewhere > that has them such as ubuntu hardy. > Okay, I have my new ubuntu 7.10 installation. I'm ready to install alsa 1.0.15 now. > You can get the .deb's and install them with dpkg -i blah.deb ... > > You can find them here: > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/ > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/ > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-plugins/ > So, to instal those I follow the links to download and they'll contiain readme files to install? > And you can get the alsa-firmware for 1.0.15 from the same place you got > it before, or you can get it here: > > http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsmithe/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-firmware/ > Do I do that by putting that repo (above) into /etc/apt/sources.list the running 'sudo apt-get install alsa-firmware? Chris > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 2 19:09:44 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:09:44 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <20080131144248.GT26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47A4BFF8.600@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 06:43:45AM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> I guess I can't install that with apt-get... >> > > Well one method would be to just get the .deb packages from somewhere > that has them such as ubuntu hardy. > > You can get the .deb's and install them with dpkg -i blah.deb ... > > You can find them here: > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ > Which of these look good?: http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/alsa-driver_1.0.15-4ubuntu1.diff.gz http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/alsa-driver_1.0.15.orig.tar.gz > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/ > Again?... http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/alsa-lib_1.0.15-3ubuntu3.diff.gz http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/alsa-lib_1.0.15.orig.tar.gz > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/ > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/alsa-utils_1.0.15.orig.tar.gz http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/alsa-utils_1.0.15-2ubuntu1_i386.deb [this one has a '?' before it in the index] > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-plugins/ > > And you can get the alsa-firmware for 1.0.15 from the same place you got > it before, or you can get it here: > > http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsmithe/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-firmware/ > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 2 19:11:36 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:11:36 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <20080131144248.GT26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47A4C068.20202@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 06:43:45AM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> I guess I can't install that with apt-get... >> > > Well one method would be to just get the .deb packages from somewhere > that has them such as ubuntu hardy. > > You can get the .deb's and install them with dpkg -i blah.deb ... > > You can find them here: > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ > Why is there never any one around when I'm doin the really scary stuff. Oh, well, here's trashin' my system... Okay, at the above site there is no .deb file with the name 'alsa-driver' in it. So, I chose 'alsa-driver_1.0.15.orig.tar.gz I downloaded that to my desktop and ran 'sudo tar -xzvf /home/chris/Desktop/alsa-driver* That unpackaged everything in to my home drive. I did cd to get into the 'alsa-driver-1.0.15' directory. I read the > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/ > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/ > http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-plugins/ > > And you can get the alsa-firmware for 1.0.15 from the same place you got > it before, or you can get it here: > > http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsmithe/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-firmware/ > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 2 19:12:07 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:12:07 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <20080131145538.GU26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131145538.GU26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47A4C087.8050005@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 09:42:48AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> Well one method would be to just get the .deb packages from somewhere >> that has them such as ubuntu hardy. >> >> You can get the .deb's and install them with dpkg -i blah.deb ... >> >> You can find them here: >> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ >> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/ >> Okay, I found a .deb there (libasound2_1.0.15-3ubuntu3_i386.deb). I downloaded that and ran dpkg and it told me there is an unsatisfied dependency so I tried apt-get install that dependency and then was advised 'You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these'. So I that's what I'm doing. Since there's no one around I'm going to go ahead with all this then you guys can tell me what I did wrong so I can do another reinstall on Sunday night. Man, endlessly screwing around with things that are way over my head is so much more satisfying than actually bein gable to just record music on my >> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/ >> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-plugins/ >> >> And you can get the alsa-firmware for 1.0.15 from the same place you got >> it before, or you can get it here: >> >> http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsmithe/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-firmware/ >> > > If you do install all those updated alsa packages (and I guess any > dependancies they demand as well), then you can compile and install the > updated alsa-source drivers with this command: > > apt-get install module-assistant > m-a -t prepare > m-a a-i -t alsa > > That should hopefully work OK, and after a reboot you should hopefully > see alsa version 1.0.15 in /proc/asound/version > > Hopefully at that point the mixer settings become more sane since it > won't be the very first early release of support for the emu, but rather > the updated and somewhat more complete driver. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 2 19:14:51 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:14:51 -0500 Subject: ubuntu 7.10 install In-Reply-To: <20080201050109.21915.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080201025454.31701.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080201050109.21915.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <47A4C12B.8040809@chrisaitken.net> chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org writes: >> I'm going to re-install ubuntu. > > This look serious: > [!!] Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk. UNable to installl > GRUB in (hd0). Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. This is a fatal > error. > > Where do I go from here? These drives (two identical WD 160 GB) are > only a month old. Is this a dying/dead hard drive? > Chris Please ignore this - the installation went through fine (after I set up RAID 1 correctly). I had chosed 'ext3' instead of 'physical volume for RAID'. Chris > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 2 20:15:53 2008 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:15:53 -0500 Subject: thunderbird font size In-Reply-To: <47A4BF9A.1040309-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47A4BF9A.1040309@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47A4CF79.7050309@rogers.com> Chris Aitken wrote: >For example, I have to go to Format>Size and choose 'small', or hit the > little A v button in the Formatting Toolbar (above the contents pane) - > but the setting won't persist (from email-to-email). And, again, this > seems to only be a problem doing a Reply To (not a fresh email). > > Any suggestions? > > Chris > > > You can adjust the font used in Thunderbird via Edit --> Preferences --> Composition Any changes you make should be permanent (until / if you make further changes). John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 2 23:33:13 2008 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 18:33:13 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <47A4C068.20202-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47A4C068.20202@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080202233313.GE19190@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> On Sat, Feb 02, 2008 at 02:11:36PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 06:43:45AM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> >>> I guess I can't install that with apt-get... >> >> Well one method would be to just get the .deb packages from somewhere >> that has them such as ubuntu hardy. >> >> You can get the .deb's and install them with dpkg -i blah.deb ... >> >> You can find them here: >> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ >> > Why is there never any one around when I'm doin the really scary stuff. Oh, > well, here's trashin' my system... > because Lennart must be busy ;-) Chris I think you are (dare I say it) going about it in a Windoze way. You should be able to find any of the basic stuff (like alsa) in your listed source repositories and install what you need via apt-get (or synaptic) Unless you know what your doing (which you will, eventually) hunting down .debs and running dpkg, is not the best way, and will leave your system out of sync and hard to maintian. If it's not in your source repositories, then far better to add needed repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list . then run "sudo apt-get update" then run "apt-get upgrade" then run "apt-get install foo" . You may well be able to get what you need by enabling source repositories already in your existing sources.list file, by "uncommenting" lines (remove leading "#" in the file, oh, while your in there, you should ADD a "#" to the beginning of the line that references the CDrom, telling apt-get not to look for sources on the CD) Package management is a beautiful thing. It's what makes a linux system a dream (or a nightmare) to maintain. Go with it, not against it. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 2 23:34:04 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:34:04 -0500 Subject: thunderbird font size In-Reply-To: <47A4CF79.7050309-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47A4BF9A.1040309@chrisaitken.net> <47A4CF79.7050309@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080202233404.18763.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> John McGregor writes: > Chris Aitken wrote: > > >For example, I have to go to Format>Size and choose 'small', or hit the >> little A v button in the Formatting Toolbar (above the contents pane) - >> but the setting won't persist (from email-to-email). And, again, this >> seems to only be a problem doing a Reply To (not a fresh email). >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Chris >> >> >> > You can adjust the font used in Thunderbird via Edit --> Preferences --> > Composition Sorry - I also did that. That is the third place I made the change. The change is not persisting there either. I'm wondering if the file that keeps these settings is in the wrong place or has the wrong permissions. > > Any changes you make should be permanent (until / if you make further > changes). What does "(until / if you make further changes" mean? Chris > > John > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 3 00:22:01 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:22:01 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <20080202233313.GE19190-f3ydu6uS1R7I9rkgco+hXrUXFt3QzJ1Y@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47A4C068.20202@chrisaitken.net> <20080202233313.GE19190@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <47A50929.8030007@chrisaitken.net> David J Patrick wrote: > On Sat, Feb 02, 2008 at 02:11:36PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 06:43:45AM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I guess I can't install that with apt-get... >>>> >>> Well one method would be to just get the .deb packages from somewhere >>> that has them such as ubuntu hardy. >>> >>> You can get the .deb's and install them with dpkg -i blah.deb ... >>> >>> You can find them here: >>> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ >>> >>> >> Why is there never any one around when I'm doin the really scary stuff. Oh, >> well, here's trashin' my system... >> >> > because Lennart must be busy ;-) > > Chris I think you are (dare I say it) going about it in a Windoze way. > You may. > You should be able to find any of the basic stuff (like alsa) in your > listed source repositories and install what you need via apt-get (or > synaptic) Unless you know what your doing (which you will, eventually) > hunting down .debs and running dpkg, is not the best way, and will leave > your system out of sync and hard to maintian. If it's not in your source > repositories, then far better to add needed repositories to > /etc/apt/sources.list. Okay, I added the sites Lennart gave me (though he didn't mention adding them to /etc/apt/sources.list - he wanted me to do this with dpkg) as such (I left in the spaces that I inadvertently added because I don't know how to key in stuff properly in vi: # # deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)]/ gutsy main restricted #deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)]/ gutsy main restricted # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to # newer versions of the distribution. deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/ deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/ deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-plugins/ deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted I added 'deb' in front of each repository after apt-get complained about one of those lines. > then run "sudo apt-get update" That gave me this output: chris at cpc:~$ sudo apt-get update E: Malformed line 9 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist) Maybe one of those 'deb' should be 'deb-src'... I didn't do what follows of course as the above didn't work (though I did comment out the CD line). > then run "apt-get > upgrade" then run "apt-get install foo" . You may well be able to get what > you need by enabling source repositories already in your existing sources.list > file, by "uncommenting" lines (remove leading "#" in the file, oh, while > your in there, you should ADD a "#" to the beginning of the line that > references the CDrom, telling apt-get not to look for sources on the CD) > > Package management is a beautiful thing. It's what makes a linux system a > dream (or a nightmare) to maintain. Go with it, not against it. > Okay. Chris > djp > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 3 01:41:34 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:41:34 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <47A50929.8030007-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47A4C068.20202@chrisaitken.net> <20080202233313.GE19190@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> <47A50929.8030007@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47A51BCE.5070005@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > David J Patrick wrote: > Okay, I added the sites Lennart gave me (though he didn't mention > adding them to /etc/apt/sources.list - he wanted me to do this with > dpkg) as such (I left in the spaces that I inadvertently added because > I don't know how to key in stuff properly in vi: > > # > # deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)]/ > gutsy main restricted > > > #deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)]/ > gutsy main restricted > # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to > # newer versions of the distribution. > > deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ > deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/ > > > > deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/ > > > deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-plugins/ Yeah, all of those lines (with or without 'deb') are considered 'Malformed' by apt-get update. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 3 01:52:33 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:52:33 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <47A50929.8030007-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47A4C068.20202@chrisaitken.net> <20080202233313.GE19190@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> <47A50929.8030007@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47A51E61.4060508@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > David J Patrick wrote: > >> then run "sudo apt-get update" I guess doing all these apt-get updates with malformed lines in /etc/apt/sources.list has screwed up a bunch of stuff in my system. Now my terminal won't come up. I'm getting 'Could not launch application. Failed to execute child process "gnome-terminal" (no such file or directory)'. My entire 'Sound & Video' (or whatever it's called) menu is gone from the 'Applications' menu!! I think this is where you guys get scarce again. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 3 01:56:21 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:56:21 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <47A51E61.4060508-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47A4C068.20202@chrisaitken.net> <20080202233313.GE19190@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> <47A50929.8030007@chrisaitken.net> <47A51E61.4060508@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47A51F45.9060707@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: >> David J Patrick wrote: >> > >>> then run "sudo apt-get update" > I guess doing all these apt-get updates with malformed lines in > /etc/apt/sources.list has screwed up a bunch of stuff in my system. > Now my terminal won't come up. I'm getting 'Could not launch > application. Failed to execute child process "gnome-terminal" (no such > file or directory)'. My entire 'Sound & Video' (or whatever it's > called) menu is gone from the 'Applications' menu!! I think this is > where you guys get scarce again. And now I don't have the privilege of Shut Down as regular user - the Shut Down feature (icon) is missing from the System>Quit menu. this is the problem I had last time I was trying to get the latest alsa to work with the emu1212m. That ended in a re-install of the OS. Well, nobody's online so I might as well reboot (if I can). > > Chris > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 3 01:59:07 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:59:07 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <47A51F45.9060707-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47A4C068.20202@chrisaitken.net> <20080202233313.GE19190@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> <47A50929.8030007@chrisaitken.net> <47A51E61.4060508@chrisaitken.net> <47A51F45.9060707@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47A51FEB.6040103@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: >> Chris Aitken wrote: >>> David J Patrick wrote: > And now I don't have the privilege of Shut Down as regular user - the > Shut Down feature (icon) is missing from the System>Quit menu. this is > the problem I had last time I was trying to get the latest alsa to > work with the emu1212m. That ended in a re-install of the OS. > > Well, nobody's online so I might as well reboot (if I can). Since my terminal application is gone I can't even do a 'shutdown -r' as root. I'll have to manually power off. Man, screwing around with /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update is dangerous stuff. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 3 02:18:43 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:18:43 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <47A51FEB.6040103-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47A4C068.20202@chrisaitken.net> <20080202233313.GE19190@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> <47A50929.8030007@chrisaitken.net> <47A51E61.4060508@chrisaitken.net> <47A51F45.9060707@chrisaitken.net> <47A51FEB.6040103@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080203021843.3272.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Chris Aitken writes: >> Well, nobody's online so I might as well reboot (if I can). > Since my terminal application is gone I can't even do a 'shutdown -r' as > root. I'll have to manually power off. Man, screwing around with > /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update is dangerous stuff. I can't even shutdown the computer. I did Ctrl+Alt+F3 to get a terminal or terminal mode or whatever it's called. I can't log in as root though because I don't know the password. I don't know the password because the ubuntu 7.10 installer never offered the chance to create a root password (seems insane ot me). And no, I'm not mistaken - I've installed u7.10 four times now on two machines and each time it gives me a headache about root password. So, how do I create a root password? I should go back to fedora. I only switched because I was convinced that boys use fedora and men use debian distros like ubuntu (or, of course, debian). So, I switched to debian - feeling proud of the leap of faith and was promptly informed that "ubuntu is not debian". I've had nothing but trouble with ubuntu. Very frustrating. I bought a semi-pro card (emu1212m) in the summer so I could record some of my music. I have not recorded one note yet. I can't even pay anyone to help me with this. There's no one in Timmins that can do this stuff. I'm just trashing my system over and ocer and over. And I have really bad luck with timing. People on this list are very helpful. But when they are unavailable I have the choice to either wait or try stuff myself. For instance, David, you gave me some great ideas to try. Your very first idea however did not work for me. So, if I have to wait a day to hear why your first idea didn't work and what I should do about it I've lost a day. Four ideas would be four days. So, instead I try other things - which has probably already now led me to the brink of another OS re-install. Don't get me wrong - none of you guys owe me anything. But this is the pattern I've been in since last summer - and not one single recorded note of music. I signed up for the rpm challenge to record an album. I have the time, the musical equipment, the studio, and the songs (thirty years worth) but I can't get a note of music recorded with this emu1212m card. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 3 02:25:07 2008 From: hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Henry de Valence) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:25:07 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <20080203021843.3272.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <47A51FEB.6040103@chrisaitken.net> <20080203021843.3272.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <200802022125.07503.hdevalence@gmail.com> On Saturday 02 February 2008 9:18:43 pm chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > I can't even shutdown the computer. I did Ctrl+Alt+F3 to get a terminal or > terminal mode or whatever it's called. I can't log in as root though > because I don't know the password. I don't know the password because the > ubuntu 7.10 installer never offered the chance to create a root password > (seems insane ot me). And no, I'm not mistaken - I've installed u7.10 four > times now on two machines and each time it gives me a headache about root > password. So, how do I create a root password? Ubuntu has a thing about root passwords. ("you're supposed to use sudo!", they say.) If you want to make a root password, login normally and then do 'sudo su' and then use passwd to set a root password. -- Harry de Valence -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 3 02:44:50 2008 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:44:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: help In-Reply-To: <200802022125.07503.hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <47A51FEB.6040103@chrisaitken.net> <20080203021843.3272.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200802022125.07503.hdevalence@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Feb 2008, Henry de Valence wrote: > On Saturday 02 February 2008 9:18:43 pm chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> I can't even shutdown the computer. I did Ctrl+Alt+F3 to get a terminal or >> terminal mode or whatever it's called. I can't log in as root though >> because I don't know the password. I don't know the password because the >> ubuntu 7.10 installer never offered the chance to create a root password >> (seems insane ot me). And no, I'm not mistaken - I've installed u7.10 four >> times now on two machines and each time it gives me a headache about root >> password. So, how do I create a root password? > > Ubuntu has a thing about root passwords. ("you're supposed to use sudo!", they > say.) If you want to make a root password, login normally and then do 'sudo > su' and then use passwd to set a root password. I remember it right, I think sudo -i also enables root login. After that you might have to run passwd to set a root password. > -- > Harry de Valence > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 3 02:51:49 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:51:49 -0500 Subject: RPM compatability Message-ID: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> Hello I have a bit of a problem with unpacking some rpm files. These are old rpms (circa 1997) of WordPerfect 6. I wanted to turn the archives into debs and install manually. I first ran alien which would do this, but there were errors, and in the attempt to debug the perl RPM library the error came from, I found the command that I wanted anyway, which was: rpm2cpio wp-6.0-1.i386.rpm | (cd x ; cpio --extract --make-directories --no-absolute-filenames --preserve-modification-time) But the error was: argument is not an RPM package cpio: premature end of archive Well, the argument *was* an RPM as you can see above, but these are the same errors as seen under alien. Anyone have any advice regarding extracting these files from the archive? Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 3 03:47:27 2008 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:47:27 -0500 Subject: thunderbird font size In-Reply-To: <47A4CF79.7050309-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47A4BF9A.1040309@chrisaitken.net> <47A4CF79.7050309@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47A5394F.2020708@rogers.com> Chris Aitken wrote: > What does "until / if you make further changes" mean? It means that if you set it and forget it, then the change will be permanent. However if you later change the font, be prepared to also change the size because not all fonts render the same. In Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 there is another area where you can make changes to the fonts besides the one that I directed you to earlier: Edit --> Preferences --> Display --> Formatting --> Fonts Unchecking "Allow messages to use other fonts" will force all messages to use the font face and font size that you have selected. If after this you still have issues you will likely have to access 'about:config' via: Edit --> Preferences --> Advanced John John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 3 06:10:54 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 22:10:54 -0800 Subject: RPM compatability In-Reply-To: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: On Feb 2, 2008 6:51 PM, Paul King wrote: > argument is not an RPM package > cpio: premature end of archive > > Well, the argument *was* an RPM as you can see above, but these are the > same errors as seen under alien. What does the file command say it is? -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 3 08:30:37 2008 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 03:30:37 -0500 Subject: RPM compatability In-Reply-To: References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: <47A57BAD.1010403@ve3syb.ca> On Feb 2, 2008 6:51 PM, Paul King wrote: > argument is not an RPM package > cpio: premature end of archive > > Well, the argument *was* an RPM as you can see above, but these are the > same errors as seen under alien. I think I have had a similar problem a long time ago. The way I solved it was to find the source for the program needed to extract the files from the package, recompile, then run the older version of the packaging tool. It shouldn't be too hard to find older source for the rpm program. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 3 14:51:08 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 09:51:08 -0500 Subject: RPM compatability In-Reply-To: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: <20080203145108.GG26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Feb 02, 2008 at 09:51:49PM -0500, Paul King wrote: > Hello > > I have a bit of a problem with unpacking some rpm files. These are old > rpms (circa 1997) of WordPerfect 6. I wanted to turn the archives into > debs and install manually. I first ran alien which would do this, but > there were errors, and in the attempt to debug the perl RPM library the > error came from, I found the command that I wanted anyway, which was: > > rpm2cpio wp-6.0-1.i386.rpm | (cd x ; cpio --extract > --make-directories --no-absolute-filenames > --preserve-modification-time) > > But the error was: > > argument is not an RPM package > cpio: premature end of archive > > Well, the argument *was* an RPM as you can see above, but these are the > same errors as seen under alien. > > Anyone have any advice regarding extracting these files from the > archive? Perhaps alien doesn't know old rpm formats. I think they are on version 4 or 5 by now of the rpm format. That one might be version 1 or 2. Of course you may also have a corrupt file. What do these say: file wp-6.0-1.i386.rpm rpm -qpl wp-6.0-1.i386.rpm -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 3 16:08:17 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:08:17 -0500 Subject: RPM compatability In-Reply-To: References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: <1202054897.7696.1.camel@aragorn> The PERL command (/usr/share/perl5/Alien/Package/Rpm.pm, line 153) says $this->do("rpm2cpio ".$this->filename." | (cd $workdir; cpio --extract - -make-directories --no-absolute-filenames --preserve-modification-time) 2>&1") or die "Unpacking of '".$this->filename."' failed"; On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 22:10 -0800, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > On Feb 2, 2008 6:51 PM, Paul King wrote: > > argument is not an RPM package > > cpio: premature end of archive > > > > Well, the argument *was* an RPM as you can see above, but these are the > > same errors as seen under alien. > > What does the file command say it is? > -- > Kristian Erik Hermansen > "Know something about everything and everything about something." > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >  -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 3 16:13:52 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:13:52 -0500 Subject: RPM compatability In-Reply-To: <20080203145108.GG26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> <20080203145108.GG26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1202055232.7696.6.camel@aragorn> On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 09:51 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Perhaps alien doesn't know old rpm formats. I think they are on version > 4 or 5 by now of the rpm format. That one might be version 1 or 2. > > Of course you may also have a corrupt file. > > What do these say: > file wp-6.0-1.i386.rpm wp-6.0-1.i386.rpm: RPM v1 bin i386 wp-6.0-1 > rpm -qpl wp-6.0-1.i386.rpm > no output (just goes back to the shell prompt). If the above format, version 1, is correct, then the fact that I am running a rpm 4.4.1 may be the problem. Another poster suggested that I find the source for the compatable rpm, and run that rpm instead. Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 3 18:58:03 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:58:03 -0500 Subject: RPM compatability In-Reply-To: <1202055232.7696.6.camel@aragorn> References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> <20080203145108.GG26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202055232.7696.6.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: <20080203185803.GH26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 11:13:52AM -0500, Paul King wrote: > wp-6.0-1.i386.rpm: RPM v1 bin i386 wp-6.0-1 Wow that really is that ancient. And 6.0 was probably one of the worst versions ever made of word perfect. Buggy beyond imagination. > no output (just goes back to the shell prompt). > > If the above format, version 1, is correct, then the fact that I am > running a rpm 4.4.1 may be the problem. Another poster suggested that I > find the source for the compatable rpm, and run that rpm instead. alien assumes new rpm's and uses rpm2cpio to extract the contents. I am pretty sure older rpm versions were not based on cpio at all. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 3 20:51:16 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:51:16 -0500 Subject: Installing WordPerfect (was Re:RPM compatability) In-Reply-To: <20080203185803.GH26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> <20080203145108.GG26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202055232.7696.6.camel@aragorn> <20080203185803.GH26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1202071876.8568.22.camel@aragorn> On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 13:58 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 11:13:52AM -0500, Paul King wrote: > > wp-6.0-1.i386.rpm: RPM v1 bin i386 wp-6.0-1 > > Wow that really is that ancient. And 6.0 was probably one of the worst > versions ever made of word perfect. Buggy beyond imagination. I never thought anyone on this list would flame bait WordPerfect 6, but for the record, I consider this version fail-safe beyond imagination. I believe you are thinking of the MS-Windows bloatware that came from WP Corp (same version number). This one was marketed by Caldera, probably to promote their distro of Linux. This WP was the first version ever made for Linux, as far as I know, and is solid as a rock. It was made when the version 1 kernel came out, and I was able to run the same binaries unchanged when the version 2 kernel came out, and it could be installed without any adjusting on either version, even after a change in glibc, or windows system (it comes bundled with its own Motif binaries). I don't know what your standards are for "stable", but I can't think of any software from anyone that could survive that, without needing to be recompiled. I also have Corel WPO2000 and WP version 8 for Linux, but I find them both less stable. WPO2000 runs on top of Wine (which is a problem right there), and WP8 is the first version Corel f***'ed with. I was able to expand the tarballs in WP8, but the installer crashed. Since Corel withdrew their support for WP for Linux, it is hard to find updated info on installing these versions on a system like mine (Ubuntu 7.1 running GNOME), so the best alternative is to first try what I feel is a fail-safe version like version 6. To do that, of course, I need to extract the binaries :-) > > > no output (just goes back to the shell prompt). > > > > If the above format, version 1, is correct, then the fact that I am > > running a rpm 4.4.1 may be the problem. Another poster suggested that I > > find the source for the compatable rpm, and run that rpm instead. > > alien assumes new rpm's and uses rpm2cpio to extract the contents. I am > pretty sure older rpm versions were not based on cpio at all. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 00:13:05 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 19:13:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: IT360 Planning Meeting. Message-ID: <321798.28537.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just to note, there will be a little planning meeting regarding the IT360 show and GTALug's role at said show Monday (Feb. 4th, 2008) evening, 7:00PM @ the Starbucks coffee shop inside Indigo, 2300 Yonge Street (a very short walk from Yonge and Eglinton). Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 01:51:18 2008 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 02:51:18 +0100 Subject: eee problems any suggestions In-Reply-To: <20071226013340.GA18448-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880712241234s3e859280qc4acb3f35dd19acf@mail.gmail.com> <20071226013340.GA18448@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <47A66F96.3030700@visible-assets.com> I like the CTRL+ALT+GREYPLUS option, that's pretty cool ;-) I would just suggest holding down alt and using the 1st mouse button to drag the window around ... I think that is the one thing that I always try to do whenever I'm stuck using a windows machine ;-) Walter Dnes wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2007 at 03:34:55PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote >> Hi Guys, >> >> Because the EEE screen is so small its hard to configure things >> because the setup pages go past the screen even at proper resolution. >> >> Any suggestions on how to enable scrolling on the setup screens, >> >> ive had to use the montior to set most things up and then once its >> setup its cruising. > > You can't scroll setup menus. There are a couple of other options... > > 1) Enable a 2nd, higher, resolution in xorg.conf, and {CTRL-ALT-GREYPLUS} > when you need a "zoomed out view", then toggle back to your regular > resolution when finished. > > 2) Use a "viewport" that is your screen size, and use a larger "virtual > desktop". Trying to move your your cursor past the edge of the screen > will scroll through the virtual desktop, which is about as close as you > can get to what you originally asked for. It can be a pain, however, if > you have multiple desktops. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 03:58:11 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:58:11 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot Message-ID: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Are there any gotchas to know about setting up a dual-boot W2K/ ubuntu 7.10 system? In the five months I've had my emu1212m pci soundcard I have not been able to get it to work under linux. So, I thought I'd try a dual-boot with Windows 2000 to see if it works under that OS. I installed W2K first. Then I installed Ubuntu. Ubuntu suggested that if W2K would be the only other OS on this system that I should install grub to the Master Boot Record. So, that is what I did. Now I'm getting: ***STOP [various memory addresses] INACCESSIBLE BOOT DEVICE [then comes the advice to check for viruses, remove newly installed hard drives/hard drive controllers, check hard drive configuration, run CHKDSK /F What happened? Ubuntu thought it would be okay... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 04:00:18 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:00:18 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080204035811.17990.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080204040018.21144.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org writes: > Are there any gotchas to know about setting up a dual-boot W2K/ ubuntu > 7.10 system? In the five months I've had my emu1212m pci soundcard I have > not been able to get it to work under linux. So, I thought I'd try a > dual-boot with Windows 2000 to see if it works under that OS. By the way, I chose FAT32 (instead of NTFS) as the filesystem, if that makes a difference. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 04:07:14 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 20:07:14 -0800 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080204035811.17990.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: On Feb 3, 2008 7:58 PM, wrote: > Are there any gotchas to know about setting up a dual-boot W2K/ ubuntu 7.10 > system? In the five months I've had my emu1212m pci soundcard I have not > been able to get it to work under linux. So, I thought I'd try a dual-boot > with Windows 2000 to see if it works under that OS. I installed W2K first. > Then I installed Ubuntu. Ubuntu suggested that if W2K would be the only > other OS on this system that I should install grub to the Master Boot > Record. So, that is what I did. Seems your card should be supported in Gutsy since it ships with the ALSA version said to be working in the thread below... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=441943 > Now I'm getting: > > ***STOP [various memory addresses] INACCESSIBLE BOOT DEVICE [then comes the > advice to check for viruses, remove newly installed hard drives/hard drive > controllers, check hard drive configuration, run CHKDSK /F > > What happened? Ubuntu thought it would be okay... Perhaps the windows partition resize operation did not go so well? Run chkdsk. But hey, once you go Ubuntu, and see all the naked people on the desktop. you never go back :-) -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 04:35:38 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:35:38 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080204043539.32678.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Kristian Erik Hermansen writes: > Seems your card should be supported in Gutsy since it ships with the > ALSA version said to be working in the thread below... > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=441943 I think you gave me the wrong link. That link takes me to something about 'Ubuntu Studio' (whatever that is) and the suggestion that alsa drivers 1.0.14rc4 will make the emu1212m pci card work. I've been trying that and the best it got was the card showing up in alsamixer but the 'Items' (a.k.a. Devices) that have capture capability (i.e the ones which give you a red 'L CAPTUR R' below the level control) had no level control present above them. I never could get a signal for recording. So, I'm assuming that means I had partial functionality with the alsa drivers 1.0.14rc. The worst it got was installing one of the alsa drivers then having apt-get suggest I run 'apt-get -f install' (with no package name) and having it then delete many many applications. If asked me before it did it - but I assumed it was doing this all for the good cause of making the emu1212m work under ubuntu 7.10, which it di not. Thanks for your effort. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 04:56:10 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:56:10 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080204045610.22587.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Kristian Erik Hermansen writes: > Seems your card should be supported in Gutsy since it ships with the > ALSA version said to be working in the thread below... > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4419430 Here's a link that says the emu 1212m daughter card (the analogue I/O part that I want) is "dead to linux". A guy (or girl) at that link is writing a driver for the emu 1212m that includes support for the daughter card. It says alsa is working on it as well: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-199597.html So, I guess it's no analogue I/O with emu1212m for me for now. Another reason to get it working under W2K until the linux support is there. I managed for ten years to stay away from Windows. Oh well. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 15:13:00 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:13:00 -0500 Subject: Installing WordPerfect (was Re:RPM compatability) In-Reply-To: <1202071876.8568.22.camel@aragorn> References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> <20080203145108.GG26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202055232.7696.6.camel@aragorn> <20080203185803.GH26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202071876.8568.22.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: <20080204151300.GI26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 03:51:16PM -0500, Paul King wrote: > I never thought anyone on this list would flame bait WordPerfect 6, but > for the record, I consider this version fail-safe beyond imagination. I > believe you are thinking of the MS-Windows bloatware that came from WP > Corp (same version number). This one was marketed by Caldera, probably > to promote their distro of Linux. This WP was the first version ever > made for Linux, as far as I know, and is solid as a rock. It was made > when the version 1 kernel came out, and I was able to run the same > binaries unchanged when the version 2 kernel came out, and it could be > installed without any adjusting on either version, even after a change > in glibc, or windows system (it comes bundled with its own Motif > binaries). I don't know what your standards are for "stable", but I > can't think of any software from anyone that could survive that, without > needing to be recompiled. Well WP6 for windows was horrible, so being WP6 why should it be any different? 5.1 seemed to be the stable version for DOS everyone ran for years. > I also have Corel WPO2000 and WP version 8 for Linux, but I find them > both less stable. WPO2000 runs on top of Wine (which is a problem right > there), and WP8 is the first version Corel f***'ed with. I was able to > expand the tarballs in WP8, but the installer crashed. Since Corel > withdrew their support for WP for Linux, it is hard to find updated info > on installing these versions on a system like mine (Ubuntu 7.1 running > GNOME), so the best alternative is to first try what I feel is a > fail-safe version like version 6. Yeah corel stupidly thought wine was a solution to the porting problem. > To do that, of course, I need to extract the binaries :-) So I guess you need to find packages for libc5 as well. But yeah I think you will have to find an old rpm version to extract that package. The oldest I have found is here: ftp://archive.download.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/code/rpm/rpm-2.5.1.tar.gz For some reason redhat has deleted most of the files in their archives for version 1 through 3. Makes for a pretty useless archive at that point. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 15:14:38 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:14:38 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080204035811.17990.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080204151438.GJ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 10:58:11PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Are there any gotchas to know about setting up a dual-boot W2K/ ubuntu 7.10 > system? In the five months I've had my emu1212m pci soundcard I have not > been able to get it to work under linux. So, I thought I'd try a dual-boot > with Windows 2000 to see if it works under that OS. I installed W2K first. > Then I installed Ubuntu. Ubuntu suggested that if W2K would be the only > other OS on this system that I should install grub to the Master Boot > Record. So, that is what I did. > > Now I'm getting: > > ***STOP [various memory addresses] INACCESSIBLE BOOT DEVICE [then comes the > advice to check for viruses, remove newly installed hard drives/hard drive > controllers, check hard drive configuration, run CHKDSK /F > > What happened? Ubuntu thought it would be okay... It should be. Did you touch the windows partition at all during the install of ubuntu? I have never in the past had any issues with a dual boot install with windows installed first and then installing the boot loader to the MBR. What is your partition layout? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 15:15:29 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:15:29 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080204151529.GK26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 08:07:14PM -0800, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > Seems your card should be supported in Gutsy since it ships with the > ALSA version said to be working in the thread below... > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=441943 Unfortunately it seems to be only partially working. It probably really wants 1.0.15 which is in hardy. > Perhaps the windows partition resize operation did not go so well? > Run chkdsk. But hey, once you go Ubuntu, and see all the naked people > on the desktop. you never go back :-) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 16:47:38 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:47:38 +0000 Subject: Installing WordPerfect (was Re:RPM compatability) In-Reply-To: <20080204151300.GI26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> <20080203145108.GG26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202055232.7696.6.camel@aragorn> <20080203185803.GH26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202071876.8568.22.camel@aragorn> <20080204151300.GI26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Feb 4, 2008 3:13 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Yeah corel stupidly thought wine was a solution to the porting problem. That may seem obvious in retrospect; at the time, they had a lot of programmers with heavy MSFT knowledge, and that makes WINE attractive to leverage that knowledge, rather than them having to either: a) Create a second product, because "WP for Unix" would have great gobs of it that would be completely separately developed, b) Build or buy something akin to Bristol's "emulation of Windows on Unix." To pick WINE as a version of strategy b) isn't *clearly* stupid. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 17:19:04 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:19:04 -0500 Subject: Installing WordPerfect (was Re:RPM compatability) In-Reply-To: References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> <20080203145108.GG26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202055232.7696.6.camel@aragorn> <20080203185803.GH26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202071876.8568.22.camel@aragorn> <20080204151300.GI26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080204171904.GL26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 04:47:38PM +0000, Christopher Browne wrote: > That may seem obvious in retrospect; at the time, they had a lot of > programmers with heavy MSFT knowledge, and that makes WINE attractive > to leverage that knowledge, rather than them having to either: > > a) Create a second product, because "WP for Unix" would have great > gobs of it that would be completely separately developed, But there was already WP 5.1 code for unix running with an X interface for Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, SCO Unix, and Xenix. It wasn't as if they were starting from scratch. Except of course WP6.0 for windows was a mess, and if anyone thought taking that windows mess and using wine to make it run on linux was a good idea, well bad idea plus an API emulation layer does not equal good idea. > b) Build or buy something akin to Bristol's "emulation of Windows on Unix." > > To pick WINE as a version of strategy b) isn't *clearly* stupid. Given the fact the unix code had already been developed before, it really was a stupid idea. No question about it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 18:01:52 2008 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 13:01:52 -0500 Subject: Installing WordPerfect (was Re:RPM compatability) In-Reply-To: <20080204171904.GL26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> <20080203145108.GG26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202055232.7696.6.camel@aragorn> <20080203185803.GH26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202071876.8568.22.camel@aragorn> <20080204151300.GI26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204171904.GL26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080204180152.GI14805@adb.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > But there was already WP 5.1 code for unix running with an X interface > for Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, SCO Unix, and Xenix. And it would be a separate build on each, with porting issues to deal with. Windows binaries under emulation gave them just the single build target, one set of binaries fits all, and dumped the system differences in Wine's lap. And, in theory, fixing Wine to run WP would go a long ways toward helping other programs run on that platform too. Linux does give a much bigger install base on the Unix side than we used to have, but even so there are differences, and packaging something for one distro doesn't get it working on the others immediately. LSB helps, but unfortunately not quite to the point yet that someone can release a generic "Linux" package that you can just plunk in regardless of your distro or consider preferable to your native package flavour. So long as you can release an opensource tarball and generate enough interest and demand that distro people package RPMs, debs, ebuilds, and whatever else for you, you're okay, but the community has a bit of a history of not making things easy for commercial software. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 18:38:25 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:38:25 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080204151438.GJ26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204151438.GJ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080204183825.16245.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Lennart Sorensen writes: > I have never in the past had any issues with a dual > boot install with windows installed first and then installing the boot > loader to the MBR. Nor have I. > What is your partition layout? Well, it is no more. I installed W2K again, but I'm not installing ubuntu again until I have time to try it on a different hard drive. I have the emu1212m runnning under W2K, so I don't want to screw that up by hastily installing ubuntu again. Chris > -- > Len Sorensen > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 18:43:05 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:43:05 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080204151529.GK26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204151529.GK26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080204184305.32175.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Lennart Sorensen writes: > On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 08:07:14PM -0800, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: >> Seems your card should be supported in Gutsy since it ships with the >> ALSA version said to be working in the thread below... >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=441943 > > Unfortunately it seems to be only partially working. It probably really > wants 1.0.15 which is in hardy. Is 'hardy' ready/stable? I'll probably just download and install that version and never mind gutsy (on a test system, of course, to make sure it plays nice with W2K). Gutsy ain't ready for the emu1212m. >> Perhaps the windows partition resize operation did not go so well? >> Run chkdsk. But hey, once you go Ubuntu, and see all the naked people >> on the desktop. you never go back :-) "Naked people"? Did ubuntu load a different default screeen background on your system than mine? Chris > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 18:49:40 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:49:40 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080204183825.16245.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204151438.GJ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204183825.16245.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080204184940.21703.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org writes: > Lennart Sorensen writes: >> What is your partition layout? Sorry, I didn't answer that... first partition: 20GB for W2K (FAT32) second partition (bootable) 40GB for / (ext3) third partition (not bootable) 98 GB for /home (ext3) fourth partition 1.1 GB for Anything foobar'd there? Chris > Well, it is no more. I installed W2K again, but I'm not installing ubuntu > again until I have time to try it on a different hard drive. I have the > emu1212m runnning under W2K, so I don't want to screw that up by hastily > installing ubuntu again. > > Chris > >> -- >> Len Sorensen >> -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 18:53:17 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 13:53:17 -0500 Subject: Installing WordPerfect (was Re:RPM compatability) In-Reply-To: <20080204180152.GI14805-SACILpcuo74@public.gmane.org> References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> <20080203145108.GG26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202055232.7696.6.camel@aragorn> <20080203185803.GH26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202071876.8568.22.camel@aragorn> <20080204151300.GI26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204171904.GL26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204180152.GI14805@adb.ca> Message-ID: <20080204185317.GM26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 01:01:52PM -0500, Anthony de Boer wrote: > And it would be a separate build on each, with porting issues to deal > with. Windows binaries under emulation gave them just the single build > target, one set of binaries fits all, and dumped the system differences > in Wine's lap. And, in theory, fixing Wine to run WP would go a long > ways toward helping other programs run on that platform too. Actually it probably was the same code base for all of the unix versions. They are all fairly posix compliant and all run X, so it would have made very little sense to have any significant code changes between builds. > Linux does give a much bigger install base on the Unix side than we used > to have, but even so there are differences, and packaging something for > one distro doesn't get it working on the others immediately. LSB helps, > but unfortunately not quite to the point yet that someone can release a > generic "Linux" package that you can just plunk in regardless of your > distro or consider preferable to your native package flavour. So long as > you can release an opensource tarball and generate enough interest and > demand that distro people package RPMs, debs, ebuilds, and whatever else > for you, you're okay, but the community has a bit of a history of not > making things easy for commercial software. Well the packaging issue would be a pain, but hey they only really supported redhat, just like many others that seem to think linux support = redhat support. wine of course makes no difference to that issue what so ever. A few commercial companies get it (like opera) and have no problem supporting many distributions. Most however have no idea how to work with anyone outside their own little corporate world. They are to used to dictating terms of how just must install and use their product, without any interest in feedback of how to improve things. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 18:55:01 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 13:55:01 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080204184940.21703.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204151438.GJ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204183825.16245.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204184940.21703.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080204185501.GN26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 01:49:40PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Sorry, I didn't answer that... > > first partition: 20GB for W2K (FAT32) > second partition (bootable) 40GB for / (ext3) > third partition (not bootable) 98 GB for /home (ext3) > fourth partition 1.1 GB for > > Anything foobar'd there? That should be OK. Which were primary and which were logical partitions (if any)? And do NOT set the linux partition bootable. Windows would likely hate you for that. Just leave the windows partition bootable and let grub in the MBR do booting properly (it doesn't care about bootable flags). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 18:55:48 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 13:55:48 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080204184305.32175.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204151529.GK26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204184305.32175.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080204185548.GO26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 01:43:05PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Is 'hardy' ready/stable? I'll probably just download and install that > version and never mind gutsy (on a test system, of course, to make sure it > plays nice with W2K). Gutsy ain't ready for the emu1212m. hardy I believe is under development. No idea how stable that is. In general debian's development versions are quite usable. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 19:22:18 2008 From: hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Henry de Valence) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:22:18 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080204184305.32175.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204151529.GK26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204184305.32175.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <200802041422.18492.hdevalence@gmail.com> On Monday 04 February 2008 1:43:05 pm chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > "Naked people"? Did ubuntu load a different default screeen background on > your system than mine? (Has naked people) I think it was supposed to be artwork for 4.10. Discussion here: -- Harry de Valence -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 19:24:21 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 14:24:21 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080204185501.GN26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204151438.GJ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204183825.16245.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204184940.21703.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204185501.GN26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080204192422.5346.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Lennart Sorensen writes: > That should be OK. Which were primary and which were logical partitions > (if any)? I made 'em all Primary. > And do NOT set the linux partition bootable. Riiight. D'uh. Okay. > Windows would likely hate > you for that. Just leave the windows partition bootable and let grub in > the MBR do booting properly (it doesn't care about bootable flags). > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 20:51:20 2008 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:51:20 -0500 Subject: Installing WordPerfect (was Re:RPM compatability) In-Reply-To: <20080204185317.GM26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> <20080203145108.GG26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202055232.7696.6.camel@aragorn> <20080203185803.GH26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202071876.8568.22.camel@aragorn> <20080204151300.GI26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204171904.GL26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204180152.GI14805@adb.ca> <20080204185317.GM26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080204205120.GJ14805@adb.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Actually it probably was the same code base for all of the unix > versions. They are all fairly posix compliant and all run X, so it > would have made very little sense to have any significant code changes > between builds. It's never that easy. :-/ Back then, you'd like to be able to just get a flavour-foo box, drop in your source code, build, test, tar up the binaries, and ship, but in reality there was always some idiosyncrasy that cropped up and called for some debugging time and usually some code edits, and then you'd have to re-verify that the now-more-generic code still built and ran correctly on your other platforms. Just about every multi-platform project ends up with a font of lore about things that should work, and actually do on _most_ of the supported platforms, and the workarounds needed for the oddball case, and you're still chasing after developers who do things that work on their primary platform but not on all. And things only get more interesting if non-POSIX platforms are involved; not all POSIX is created equal. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 20:58:05 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:58:05 +0000 Subject: Installing WordPerfect (was Re:RPM compatability) In-Reply-To: <20080204171904.GL26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> <20080203145108.GG26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202055232.7696.6.camel@aragorn> <20080203185803.GH26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202071876.8568.22.camel@aragorn> <20080204151300.GI26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204171904.GL26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Feb 4, 2008 5:19 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 04:47:38PM +0000, Christopher Browne wrote: > > That may seem obvious in retrospect; at the time, they had a lot of > > programmers with heavy MSFT knowledge, and that makes WINE attractive > > to leverage that knowledge, rather than them having to either: > > > > a) Create a second product, because "WP for Unix" would have great > > gobs of it that would be completely separately developed, > > But there was already WP 5.1 code for unix running with an X interface > for Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, SCO Unix, and Xenix. It wasn't as if they were > starting from scratch. Except of course WP6.0 for windows was a mess, > and if anyone thought taking that windows mess and using wine to make it > run on linux was a good idea, well bad idea plus an API emulation layer > does not equal good idea. > > > b) Build or buy something akin to Bristol's "emulation of Windows on Unix." > > > > To pick WINE as a version of strategy b) isn't *clearly* stupid. > > Given the fact the unix code had already been developed before, it > really was a stupid idea. No question about it. I have only one word to say: Motif -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 23:24:09 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (sciguy) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:24:09 -0500 Subject: Installing WordPerfect (was Re:RPM compatability) In-Reply-To: <20080204151300.GI26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> <20080203145108.GG26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202055232.7696.6.camel@aragorn> <20080203185803.GH26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202071876.8568.22.camel@aragorn> <20080204151300.GI26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <9d7f1506b86fb638caecf360b78af3c4@vex.net> On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:13:00 -0500, lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) wrote: > On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 03:51:16PM -0500, Paul King wrote: > > Well WP6 for windows was horrible, so being WP6 why should it be any > different? 5.1 seemed to be the stable version for DOS everyone ran for > years. The reason it would be different is because WordPerfect was originally a UNIX product. WP6 is stable in Linux, because the UNIX product was simply recompiled with static libs for an i386 processor. If you ever tried WP6 for Linux, it looks vastly different than the same version in Windows. It would appear that completely different source trees were in use. > >> I also have Corel WPO2000 and WP version 8 for Linux, but I find them >> both less stable. WPO2000 runs on top of Wine (which is a problem right >> there), and WP8 is the first version Corel f***'ed with. I was able to >> expand the tarballs in WP8, but the installer crashed. Since Corel >> withdrew their support for WP for Linux, it is hard to find updated info >> on installing these versions on a system like mine (Ubuntu 7.1 running >> GNOME), so the best alternative is to first try what I feel is a >> fail-safe version like version 6. > > Yeah corel stupidly thought wine was a solution to the porting problem. > In fact, Corel was trying to find a cheap way to port all of its newly-acquired Borland suite (Quattro Pro, Presentations, and Paradox) as a single product with Word Perfect. So they ditched the stable UNIX version of WP in favour or porting everything from Windows over to Linux via the WINE libraries. >> To do that, of course, I need to extract the binaries :-) > > So I guess you need to find packages for libc5 as well. But yeah I > think you will have to find an old rpm version to extract that package. > > The oldest I have found is here: > ftp://archive.download.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/code/rpm/rpm-2.5.1.tar.gz I still have RedHat CDs from that era. I'll look at those first. But thanks for the link. > > For some reason redhat has deleted most of the files in their archives > for version 1 through 3. Makes for a pretty useless archive at that > point. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 4 23:51:33 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 18:51:33 -0500 Subject: question about /proc/meminfo (Inactive Memory) Message-ID: <32f6a8880802041551l7a2574a2qf76d1af21120cc0d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys, I'm using my system and I occasionally use the cat /proc/meminfo | grep Inactive to see how much memory I use. I am guessing thats how much memory that I have available, however I have recently realized that Active/InActive memory doesn't equal up to MemTotal. Not only that, but Buffers+Cached+MemFree doesn't equal Inactive memory If I would like to know if my system is running out of memory would I use MemFree+Cached+Buffers Or would I use the Inactive Memory? If I should still use Inactive why are the results different? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 00:42:13 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:42:13 -0800 Subject: question about /proc/meminfo (Inactive Memory) In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880802041551l7a2574a2qf76d1af21120cc0d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880802041551l7a2574a2qf76d1af21120cc0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 4, 2008 3:51 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > I'm using my system and I occasionally use the cat /proc/meminfo | > grep Inactive to see how much memory I use. > > I am guessing thats how much memory that I have available, however I > have recently realized that Active/InActive memory doesn't equal up to > MemTotal. > > Not only that, but Buffers+Cached+MemFree doesn't equal Inactive memory > > If I would like to know if my system is running out of memory would I > use MemFree+Cached+Buffers Or would I use the Inactive Memory? > > If I should still use Inactive why are the results different? Ah, I ran into this issue when build the Cisco Computational Cloud project back in Boston :-) The reason is that you are not seeing memory that is being utilized outside of user space, iirc. Trying to determine what is active or inactive is tricky due to the way the kernel tries to "do what's right/efficient" for a user space application. I remember I spent a lot of time looking into it, grepping source code, and finally found some way to get a semi-accurate perspective on all of it, although the hack was pretty ugly. I think you needed to be seteuid root to get some of the info I requested and it was still not as accurate as I wanted. However, it did moderately well. I could try and dig up the relevant C code, but I can't give you the source as it is Cisco proprietary stuff. Let me search around... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 01:38:04 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:38:04 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080204185501.GN26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204151438.GJ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204183825.16245.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204184940.21703.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204185501.GN26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080205013804.4671.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Lennart Sorensen writes: > And do NOT set the linux partition bootable. Windows would likely hate > you for that. Just leave the windows partition bootable and let grub in > the MBR do booting properly (it doesn't care about bootable flags). Okay, I did the whole W2K installation again. Made sure the installation was working okay (installed Ethernet Controller driver, configured Internet connection, printing auto-configured). Then I did the ubuntu 7.10 installation again. This time I made sure that / and /home partitions were NOT bootable. So, again I chose okay to have GRUB installed to the MBR. Again I got the error trying to boot up W2K: ***STOP: [a bunch of what look like memory addresses] INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE [then some microsoft wisdom] I guess this is W2K's blue-screen'o'death. I know your instructions work for linux/windows dual-boots, but have you ever specifically done a W2K/ubuntu dual-boot? This may be a gotcha. Of course I did all this on another hard drive so we can rule out hardware - I also used another hard drive so I have the good W2K installation (with emu1212m, cubase, an Ethernet Controller driver which kept me up 'til 4am to find, Internet connection, printing all working) on another hard drive. Chris > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 01:58:42 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:58:42 -0500 Subject: Tiny Linux-powered laptop -- Canadian! Message-ID: <47A7C2D2.5040507@telly.org> You may have heard about the OLPC, the EeePC and the Cloudbook. Now... how about another one, designed (quietly!) in Canada? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InkMedia Am I the only one who didn't know about this? - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 02:11:30 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:11:30 -0500 Subject: Installing WordPerfect (was Re:RPM compatability) In-Reply-To: References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> <20080203145108.GG26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202055232.7696.6.camel@aragorn> <20080203185803.GH26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202071876.8568.22.camel@aragorn> <20080204151300.GI26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1202177490.11864.9.camel@aragorn> On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 16:47 +0000, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Feb 4, 2008 3:13 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Yeah corel stupidly thought wine was a solution to the porting problem. > > That may seem obvious in retrospect; at the time, they had a lot of > programmers with heavy MSFT knowledge, and that makes WINE attractive > to leverage that knowledge, rather than them having to either: I don't think so. Corel had to undergo a _major_ porting effort with its acquisition of Borland's Quattro Pro, Presentations, and Paradox packages, along with their WordPerfect acquisition from Novell. At the time, there was no UNIX version for these products. It was simply easier to port the binaries nearly unchanged through WINE than to port all these products into UNIX code so it could run like WordPerfect did. Since WP was already native to UNIX, there was no need to port from the Windows source. But they did it anyway, since I think it was reasonable for them to see that porting all that software from Windows would probably take a couple of years or more. They may have felt pressure from the Open Office and other GNU projects as well. > a) Create a second product, because "WP for Unix" would have great > gobs of it that would be completely separately developed, > b) Build or buy something akin to Bristol's "emulation of Windows on Unix." > > To pick WINE as a version of strategy b) isn't *clearly* stupid. I agree that it wasn't stupid, but it sucked all the same. > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and > expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert > Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > r -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 02:15:46 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:15:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Tiny Linux-powered laptop -- Canadian! In-Reply-To: <47A7C2D2.5040507-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47A7C2D2.5040507@telly.org> Message-ID: <3903.99.232.68.237.1202177746.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > You may have heard about the OLPC, the EeePC and the Cloudbook. > > Now... how about another one, designed (quietly!) in Canada? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InkMedia > > Am I the only one who didn't know about this? > > - Evan Nice to see a Canadian entry in this race. But keep in mind that the Briklin car was also a Canadian product... Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 02:19:15 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:19:15 -0500 Subject: Installing WordPerfect (was Re:RPM compatability) In-Reply-To: <20080204171904.GL26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> <20080203145108.GG26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202055232.7696.6.camel@aragorn> <20080203185803.GH26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202071876.8568.22.camel@aragorn> <20080204151300.GI26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204171904.GL26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1202177955.11864.17.camel@aragorn> On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 12:19 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 04:47:38PM +0000, Christopher Browne wrote: > But there was already WP 5.1 code for unix running with an X interface > for Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, SCO Unix, and Xenix. It wasn't as if they were > starting from scratch. Except of course WP6.0 for windows was a mess, > and if anyone thought taking that windows mess and using wine to make it > run on linux was a good idea, well bad idea plus an API emulation layer > does not equal good idea. > That never happened. I ran both versions of WP6 (windows and linux), and I guarantee you the difference is the same as telling night from day. Interfaces are different, and general performance is different. When WP Corp had this software, I get the distinct feeling that they ported from UNIX to Windows, not the other way around. At the very least they come from completely different source trees since they are visually different. > > b) Build or buy something akin to Bristol's "emulation of Windows on Unix." > > > > To pick WINE as a version of strategy b) isn't *clearly* stupid. > > Given the fact the unix code had already been developed before, it > really was a stupid idea. No question about it. > Unless you consider their decision to bundle Borland's spreadsheet and presentation packages into the same office product. It then becomes more difficult to say whether porting only WP to WINE or porting the other 3 office products to UNIX would have taken less effort. > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > � -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 02:40:49 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:40:49 -0500 Subject: Tiny Linux-powered laptop -- Canadian! In-Reply-To: <3903.99.232.68.237.1202177746.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <47A7C2D2.5040507@telly.org> <3903.99.232.68.237.1202177746.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <47A7CCB1.3010700@telly.org> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Nice to see a Canadian entry in this race. But keep in mind that the > Briklin car was also a Canadian product... > So you're suggesting that this laptop has the potential to become the IT world's Avro Arrow? - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 03:30:50 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:30:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Tiny Linux-powered laptop -- Canadian! In-Reply-To: <47A7CCB1.3010700-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47A7CCB1.3010700@telly.org> Message-ID: <545412.2612.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Evan Leibovitch wrote: > phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Nice to see a Canadian entry in this race. But > keep in mind that the > > Briklin car was also a Canadian product... > > > So you're suggesting that this laptop has the > potential to become the IT > world's Avro Arrow? > > - Evan So, Canada has had some tech failures, so what? The Avro Arrow, great technology, but a more expensive aircraft than the government of the day thought Canada could justify (were they right, well, that is a discussion I would be happy to have off list, say at the pub after the next GTALug meeting). The Bricklin, again nice technology, but the market for small cute looking sports cars isn't all that large, no matter what smooth talking promoters may say... A question, how many Americans beat themselves over the head regarding "failed" aircraft projects, like say the XF-85 Goblin fighter?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XF-85_Goblin or the XB-70 Valkyrie bomber?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB-70_Valkyrie Interesting technologies, that didn't work out. Why they didn't work out was looked at, and made for better designs down the road. Likewise, the US has had some car design disasters, like the Edsel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edsel or "the barbecue that seats four" the Ford Pinto: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto Again, so, some American cars don't work out, how many Americans beat themselves up over that? So, will this new laptop design work out? I've no idea, if it does, great. If it doesn't, no problem just move on to another interesting project... Regardless, beating ourselves up over past failures isn't something we should be doing (yes, all to easy to do, but we shouldn't ... ). Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 04:05:23 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:05:23 -0500 Subject: iBook parts available Message-ID: <1f13df280802042005ia2dda58kdf28bb1d887c480d@mail.gmail.com> A friend had an old iBook die on her recently (the onboard video chip evidently went). I was commissioned to wipe the HD, and I got the corpse. I have bits, if anyone is interested. This is a 2002 12" iBook. Power supply - grubby but works fine. Display - grubby, should be cleanable, not absolutely sure it works, but we're pretty sure it was the video card not the display that went. modem airport card (can I use that with Linux? would I want to?) battery - condition unknown, the former owner used it almost exclusively on AC. CD-ROM drive keyboard I'm keeping the HD, the SODIMM is already spoken for, and I may keep the Airport card if it's workable with Linux. All other parts are up for grabs to the first person who requests them. Will anyone want them at all? -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 04:46:03 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:46:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: GTALug at IT360 Message-ID: <361279.74434.qm@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just to sum up the discussions regarding IT360 this evening. A consensus seems to be developing around the booth design that assumes we will be building three interconnected "panels (likely some sort of tube frame with a fabric cover). Each panel will be approx. 4' x 8' and laid out in a sort of (as seen from above) pattern: / | \ This gives us a simple solid stable arrangement. Questions still under discussion are, do we want to go with a metal tube frame or ABS plastic? Key concerns are, the design needs to be light, easily disassembled, easily transported (ideally we want a situation where 3-4 people could in a pinch transport the booth via subway). Talk about the frame cover centred around warm coloured fabric, that was Velcro friendly... Other booth furnishings needed for the show will be a pair of bistro chairs (i.e.: we want volunteers to be able to sit down, while still being able to look an average visitor in the eye). Some debate as to what to feed the volunteers staffing the booth. Past years we have feed the volunteers chocolate mints... May repeat that this year. Keep in mind that any food brought into the Metro Convention Centre must pass their okay (so, NO nuts, must be individually wrapped snack size items are the key issues to get their blessing). Handouts, we may just recycle last year's efforts (these will need to be reviewed). Buttons. We have everything needed to do a bunch of additional 2.25" round pin pack style buttons for GTALug volunteers. Question is, what artwork. Last two years we have done a variation on the GTALug logo found on the website. Suggestions for this year ranged from Tux in a business suit, to Tux wearing a helmet holding a rocket launcher. This needs to be decided... Posters, we need some stuff that will help sell GTALug memberships. Also, discussion about a poster mentioning GTALug folks who will be speaking at the IT360 show (there are at least three of us...). Still to be discussed, organizing booth volunteer staff... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 09:42:07 2008 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:42:07 -0500 Subject: Microsoft Misleads On Canadian Copyright Reform Message-ID: <47A82F6F.3090907@pppoe.ca> From /. "As the battle rages over a Canadian DMCA, Microsoft Canada has published an op-ed in a political newspaper that Michael Geist describes as astonishingly misleading and factually incorrect . Microsoft tries to argue that Canadian copyright law provides no legal protections, even after it received one of the largest copyright damage awards in Canadian history just one year ago." http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/02/05/0054252.shtml The offending article :-) : Copyright reform desperately needed in Canada to protect and encourage creativity http://www.thehilltimes.ca/members/login.php?fail=2&destination=/html/index.php?display=story&full_path=2008/february/4/eisen/ Michael Geist's take : Microsoft Misleads on Copyright Reform http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2670/125/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 11:31:14 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:31:14 -0500 Subject: Installing WordPerfect (was Re:RPM compatability) In-Reply-To: <1202177955.11864.17.camel@aragorn> References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> <20080203145108.GG26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202055232.7696.6.camel@aragorn> <20080203185803.GH26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202071876.8568.22.camel@aragorn> <20080204151300.GI26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204171904.GL26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202177955.11864.17.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: <1202211074.17088.22.camel@aragorn> For what it is worth, I found the intended rpm source for this version, and it came from a CD I had for the Caldera Network Desktop version 1.0 that accompanied the WP distro. I still need to look for some other sources for header files. And the good news is, it came in a tarball. Most rpm sources I have seen came in the same version of rpm that the source comes in. You would need the same version of rpm to unpack it as the one you wanted to compile! Talk about a chicken-and-egg problem! I would need a working rpm program of the same version to unpack it, yet if I had a working version, I wouldn't need to unpack it. But I would have had to unpack it, because I wouldn't have had a working version. Apart from that I don't understand why rpm isn't backwards-compatible like most other archiving/compression formats I know about. The new-as-tomorrow versions of GNU tar and gzip I have on Ubuntu seemed to have no problem untarring these sources, which by now are about 11 years old. I have also never had versioning problems with ZIP, RAR, ARJ, or anything else I have tried. For all of its swiss army knife features, I have found rpm the most frustrating format to work with, especially when doing a simple unpacking of files into an arbitrary directory. Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 14:14:38 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:14:38 -0500 Subject: question about /proc/meminfo (Inactive Memory) In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880802041551l7a2574a2qf76d1af21120cc0d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880802041551l7a2574a2qf76d1af21120cc0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080205141438.GP26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 06:51:33PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > I'm using my system and I occasionally use the cat /proc/meminfo | > grep Inactive to see how much memory I use. > > I am guessing thats how much memory that I have available, however I > have recently realized that Active/InActive memory doesn't equal up to > MemTotal. > > Not only that, but Buffers+Cached+MemFree doesn't equal Inactive memory I think some of the cache or buffers may also inactive, but certainly much of the buffers are probably active and in use by applications. After all lots of I/O is buffered. > If I would like to know if my system is running out of memory would I > use MemFree+Cached+Buffers Or would I use the Inactive Memory? > > If I should still use Inactive why are the results different? I have no idea what exactly some of those values are or which should add up to what. I tend to use this though: free|grep '^-'|awk '{print $3}' That tells me how much of my memory is currently free. Of course in general as long as you aren't using swap space, you still have free memory. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 14:17:49 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:17:49 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080205013804.4671.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204151438.GJ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204183825.16245.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204184940.21703.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204185501.GN26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205013804.4671.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080205141749.GQ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 08:38:04PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Okay, I did the whole W2K installation again. Made sure the installation > was working okay (installed Ethernet Controller driver, configured Internet > connection, printing auto-configured). Then I did the ubuntu 7.10 > installation again. This time I made sure that / and /home partitions were > NOT bootable. So, again I chose okay to have GRUB installed to the MBR. > Again I got the error trying to boot up W2K: > > ***STOP: [a bunch of what look like memory addresses] > INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE [then some microsoft wisdom] > > I guess this is W2K's blue-screen'o'death. Inaccessible boot device can actually be caused by corrupt filesystem in windows, which can usually be fixed by booting from the windows install cd, selecting repair, going to the repair console and running chkdsk on c: (possibly with an option to force a check). Run it at least twice to be sure it has repaired everything. Preferably enough times that on the last time it reports no errors found. > I know your instructions work for linux/windows dual-boots, but have you > ever specifically done a W2K/ubuntu dual-boot? This may be a gotcha. I have done win2k debian dual boot. It was amazingly simple. It just worked. That was with NTFS for win2k though. > Of course I did all this on another hard drive so we can rule out hardware > - I also used another hard drive so I have the good W2K installation (with > emu1212m, cubase, an Ethernet Controller driver which kept me up 'til 4am > to find, Internet connection, printing all working) on another hard drive. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 14:23:25 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:23:25 -0500 Subject: Installing WordPerfect (was Re:RPM compatability) In-Reply-To: <1202211074.17088.22.camel@aragorn> References: <1202007109.12339.12.camel@aragorn> <20080203145108.GG26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202055232.7696.6.camel@aragorn> <20080203185803.GH26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202071876.8568.22.camel@aragorn> <20080204151300.GI26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204171904.GL26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1202177955.11864.17.camel@aragorn> <1202211074.17088.22.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: <20080205142325.GR26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 06:31:14AM -0500, Paul King wrote: > For what it is worth, I found the intended rpm source for this version, > and it came from a CD I had for the Caldera Network Desktop version 1.0 > that accompanied the WP distro. I still need to look for some other > sources for header files. > > And the good news is, it came in a tarball. Most rpm sources I have seen > came in the same version of rpm that the source comes in. You would need > the same version of rpm to unpack it as the one you wanted to compile! > Talk about a chicken-and-egg problem! I would need a working rpm program > of the same version to unpack it, yet if I had a working version, I > wouldn't need to unpack it. But I would have had to unpack it, because I > wouldn't have had a working version. > > Apart from that I don't understand why rpm isn't backwards-compatible > like most other archiving/compression formats I know about. The > new-as-tomorrow versions of GNU tar and gzip I have on Ubuntu seemed to > have no problem untarring these sources, which by now are about 11 years > old. I have also never had versioning problems with ZIP, RAR, ARJ, or > anything else I have tried. For all of its swiss army knife features, I > have found rpm the most frustrating format to work with, especially when > doing a simple unpacking of files into an arbitrary directory. Ehm, bad thinking on redhat's part? Wouldn't be the first dumb thing they decided on over the years. They have done lots of good things, and a few rather dumb things. rpm development while certainly improving rpm also caused a lot of headaches when they made things incompatible. Debian seems to have a policy that if you want to add something to the package format, you first have to add it to the tools, then wait for a complete release cycle so that the current stable release supports the feature before you are allowed to actually start using it in new packages since you have to ensure stable systems can upgrade to the new packages. And they make sure it still supports old package formats at the same time. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 14:33:02 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:33:02 -0500 Subject: Tiny Linux-powered laptop -- Canadian! In-Reply-To: <47A7C2D2.5040507-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47A7C2D2.5040507@telly.org> Message-ID: <20080205143302.GS26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 08:58:42PM -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > You may have heard about the OLPC, the EeePC and the Cloudbook. > > Now... how about another one, designed (quietly!) in Canada? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InkMedia > > Am I the only one who didn't know about this? Hmm, 1GB storage, 256MB ram, arm processor with no fpu with 800x600 8" screen. Read only filesystem design, with external usb storage required to store files by design, and being and arm based system, installing another distribution with a different way of managing the storage is generally quite difficult. arm systems are among the most varied architecture around. No two are ever really alike. EeePC: 2GB storage, 512MB ram, x86 CPU with FPU, 800x480 7" screen. General purpose computer that you can technically install anything you want on (a number of linux distributions have been installed successfully, as has windows XP). Both supposedly selling for about $300. No wonder no one has heard of the inkmedia. It isn't exactly interesting is it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 14:33:47 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:33:47 -0500 Subject: Tiny Linux-powered laptop -- Canadian! In-Reply-To: <47A7CCB1.3010700-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47A7C2D2.5040507@telly.org> <3903.99.232.68.237.1202177746.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <47A7CCB1.3010700@telly.org> Message-ID: <20080205143347.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 09:40:49PM -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Nice to see a Canadian entry in this race. But keep in mind that the > > Briklin car was also a Canadian product... > > > So you're suggesting that this laptop has the potential to become the IT > world's Avro Arrow? No, the Avro appeared to be ahead of everyone else in specs. The inkmedia certainly isn't. No comparison. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 14:38:14 2008 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:38:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Tiny Linux-powered laptop -- Canadian! In-Reply-To: <20080205143347.GT26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47A7C2D2.5040507@telly.org> <3903.99.232.68.237.1202177746.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <47A7CCB1.3010700@telly.org> <20080205143347.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 09:40:49PM -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > Nice to see a Canadian entry in this race. But keep in mind that the > > > Briklin car was also a Canadian product... > > > > > So you're suggesting that this laptop has the potential to become the IT > > world's Avro Arrow? > > No, the Avro appeared to be ahead of everyone else in specs. The > inkmedia certainly isn't. No comparison. :) and besides, we don't have john diefenbaker to make hideously bad, political decisions like that any more. so that means we must be safe from appallingly misguided military decisions being made in ottawa these days. oh, wait ... rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Home page: http://crashcourse.ca Fedora Cookbook: http://crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/Fedora_Cookbook ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 15:13:16 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:13:16 -0500 Subject: iBook parts available In-Reply-To: <1f13df280802042005ia2dda58kdf28bb1d887c480d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280802042005ia2dda58kdf28bb1d887c480d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A87D0C.2050500@alteeve.com> Giles Orr wrote: > A friend had an old iBook die on her recently (the onboard video chip > evidently went). I was commissioned to wipe the HD, and I got the > corpse. I have bits, if anyone is interested. This is a 2002 12" > iBook. > > Power supply - grubby but works fine. > Display - grubby, should be cleanable, not absolutely sure it works, > but we're pretty sure it was the video card not the display that went. > modem > airport card (can I use that with Linux? would I want to?) > battery - condition unknown, the former owner used it almost exclusively on AC. > CD-ROM drive > keyboard > > I'm keeping the HD, the SODIMM is already spoken for, and I may keep > the Airport card if it's workable with Linux. All other parts are up > for grabs to the first person who requests them. Will anyone want > them at all? > I would love this, I have a 12" ibook with a dead CCFL! :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 15:24:58 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:24:58 -0500 Subject: iBook parts available In-Reply-To: <47A87D0C.2050500-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280802042005ia2dda58kdf28bb1d887c480d@mail.gmail.com> <47A87D0C.2050500@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280802050724w16607ed8m15b907c4589032fd@mail.gmail.com> Hi Madison. Someone has claimed some of the parts ... I had to look it up, but I'm guessing you want the display? He didn't ask for that, so it's yours. I've never seen you at GTALUG or UU, and I seem to recall you live out in the western boondocks (pardon my Toronto-centricism ...) so ... how do we get this to you? I have also asked the other person: are you sure you don't want any of the other parts? You're not just being polite? I'd like to get rid of all of it, and the less people I have to deliver to the better. I forgot to mention in the posting, I also have the outer casing which might be useful if yours is cracked. The power supply and battery have been claimed. I used http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/iBook-G3-12-Inch/50/ to disassemble. I was careful doing the disassembly so all the parts are in very good health ... but I wasn't careful about tracking the order and placement of screws so I couldn't put it back together again. Be warned, the display is probably the most difficult piece to replace. Not hideous, but it will take you about an hour to get it apart, and another hour to re-assemble. Possibly more, because unlike me you'll need to carefully track your parts so they can go back together ... On Feb 5, 2008 10:13 AM, Madison Kelly wrote: > Giles Orr wrote: > > A friend had an old iBook die on her recently (the onboard video chip > > evidently went). I was commissioned to wipe the HD, and I got the > > corpse. I have bits, if anyone is interested. This is a 2002 12" > > iBook. > > > > Power supply - grubby but works fine. > > Display - grubby, should be cleanable, not absolutely sure it works, > > but we're pretty sure it was the video card not the display that went. > > modem > > airport card (can I use that with Linux? would I want to?) > > battery - condition unknown, the former owner used it almost exclusively on AC. > > CD-ROM drive > > keyboard > > > > I'm keeping the HD, the SODIMM is already spoken for, and I may keep > > the Airport card if it's workable with Linux. All other parts are up > > for grabs to the first person who requests them. Will anyone want > > them at all? > > > > I would love this, I have a 12" ibook with a dead CCFL! :) > > Madi > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 15:37:17 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:37:17 -0500 Subject: iBook parts available In-Reply-To: <1f13df280802050724w16607ed8m15b907c4589032fd-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280802042005ia2dda58kdf28bb1d887c480d@mail.gmail.com> <47A87D0C.2050500@alteeve.com> <1f13df280802050724w16607ed8m15b907c4589032fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A882AD.9050504@alteeve.com> Giles Orr wrote: > Hi Madison. > > Someone has claimed some of the parts ... I had to look it up, but I'm > guessing you want the display? He didn't ask for that, so it's yours. > I've never seen you at GTALUG or UU, and I seem to recall you live > out in the western boondocks (pardon my Toronto-centricism ...) so ... > how do we get this to you? I work right downtown (25 Victoria St; Yonge and King area). Are you out this way at all? > I have also asked the other person: are you sure you don't want any of > the other parts? You're not just being polite? I'd like to get rid > of all of it, and the less people I have to deliver to the better. I > forgot to mention in the posting, I also have the outer casing which > might be useful if yours is cracked. The power supply and battery > have been claimed. I can take whatever is left. I make periodic trips to a friend's shop whenever I get a big enough pile of old/miscellany tech (he resells or recycles everything; keeps it out of landfill). > I used http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/iBook-G3-12-Inch/50/ to > disassemble. I was careful doing the disassembly so all the parts are > in very good health ... but I wasn't careful about tracking the order > and placement of screws so I couldn't put it back together again. Be > warned, the display is probably the most difficult piece to replace. > Not hideous, but it will take you about an hour to get it apart, and > another hour to re-assemble. Possibly more, because unlike me you'll > need to carefully track your parts so they can go back together ... I've already torn apart and rebuilt a few iBooks, so I am not too worried. Though I am always happy to get my hands on spare screws for the darn things! :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 20:29:20 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss (gmail)) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:29:20 -0500 Subject: iBook parts available In-Reply-To: <1f13df280802050724w16607ed8m15b907c4589032fd-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280802042005ia2dda58kdf28bb1d887c480d@mail.gmail.com> <47A87D0C.2050500@alteeve.com> <1f13df280802050724w16607ed8m15b907c4589032fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A8C720.10906@gmail.com> Hey Giles, Does yours already have an airport card? If you already have one, I would like to claim the one that's in the ibook... Giles Orr wrote: > Hi Madison. > > Someone has claimed some of the parts ... I had to look it up, but I'm > guessing you want the display? He didn't ask for that, so it's yours. > I've never seen you at GTALUG or UU, and I seem to recall you live > out in the western boondocks (pardon my Toronto-centricism ...) so ... > how do we get this to you? > > I have also asked the other person: are you sure you don't want any of > the other parts? You're not just being polite? I'd like to get rid > of all of it, and the less people I have to deliver to the better. I > forgot to mention in the posting, I also have the outer casing which > might be useful if yours is cracked. The power supply and battery > have been claimed. > > I used http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/iBook-G3-12-Inch/50/ to > disassemble. I was careful doing the disassembly so all the parts are > in very good health ... but I wasn't careful about tracking the order > and placement of screws so I couldn't put it back together again. Be > warned, the display is probably the most difficult piece to replace. > Not hideous, but it will take you about an hour to get it apart, and > another hour to re-assemble. Possibly more, because unlike me you'll > need to carefully track your parts so they can go back together ... > > On Feb 5, 2008 10:13 AM, Madison Kelly wrote: > >> Giles Orr wrote: >> >>> A friend had an old iBook die on her recently (the onboard video chip >>> evidently went). I was commissioned to wipe the HD, and I got the >>> corpse. I have bits, if anyone is interested. This is a 2002 12" >>> iBook. >>> >>> Power supply - grubby but works fine. >>> Display - grubby, should be cleanable, not absolutely sure it works, >>> but we're pretty sure it was the video card not the display that went. >>> modem >>> airport card (can I use that with Linux? would I want to?) >>> battery - condition unknown, the former owner used it almost exclusively on AC. >>> CD-ROM drive >>> keyboard >>> >>> I'm keeping the HD, the SODIMM is already spoken for, and I may keep >>> the Airport card if it's workable with Linux. All other parts are up >>> for grabs to the first person who requests them. Will anyone want >>> them at all? >>> >>> >> I would love this, I have a 12" ibook with a dead CCFL! :) >> >> Madi >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 21:36:18 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:36:18 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080205141749.GQ26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204151438.GJ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204183825.16245.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204184940.21703.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204185501.GN26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205013804.4671.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205141749.GQ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080205213618.13546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Lennart Sorensen writes: > Inaccessible boot device can actually be caused by corrupt filesystem in > windows, which can usually be fixed by booting from the windows install > cd, selecting repair, going to the repair console "Recovery Console" or "Emergency Repair Process"? There is no "repair console". I'm not mincing words - I just want to make sure I go to the correct tool. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 5 21:44:58 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:44:58 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080205213618.13546.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204151438.GJ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204183825.16245.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204184940.21703.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204185501.GN26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205013804.4671.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205141749.GQ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205213618.13546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080205214458.GU26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 04:36:18PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > "Recovery Console" or "Emergency Repair Process"? There is no "repair > console". I'm not mincing words - I just want to make sure I go to the > correct tool. Recovery console. See how often I use windows? :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 6 00:30:33 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:30:33 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080205214458.GU26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204151438.GJ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204183825.16245.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204184940.21703.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204185501.GN26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205013804.4671.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205141749.GQ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205213618.13546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205214458.GU26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080206003035.24219.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Lennart Sorensen writes: > On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 04:36:18PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> "Recovery Console" or "Emergency Repair Process"? There is no "repair >> console". I'm not mincing words - I just want to make sure I go to the >> correct tool. > > Recovery console. See how often I use windows? :) Okay, I ran CHKDSK in REcover Console and got this message: 'The volume appears to contain one or more unrecoverable problems.' Chris > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 6 06:09:35 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 01:09:35 -0500 Subject: Video conversion tools Message-ID: <20080206010935.61afdd40@node1.freeyourmachine.org> This is good news for Chris Aitken and his video Nano :-) I am a huge fan of ffmpeg, especially for converting videos to mp4 for my iPod, so I was curious when I saw this in my linux.com feed: http://www.linux.com/feature/125623 Haven't tried it myself yet, but linux.com didn't say anything about the software causing kernel panics so I figured I'd throw it out there. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Fry: "Do you have anything else for him?" Contess de la Roca: "Lovely, isn't it?" Bender: "Yeah, but only 93% as lovely as you." Contess de la Roca: "Oh, Bender. Either that was a computing error, or you're the most romantic robot I've ever met." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 6 14:09:39 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:09:39 -0500 Subject: Linux DVD authoring tools Message-ID: <3a97ef0802060609o2beedad3m81d15a4ca1aec1a0@mail.gmail.com> Every now and then I throw this one out to see if anything has changed. Adding to JoeHill's comment about Linux video conversion tools, does anyone know of good DVD authoring/creation software? I've used a variety, but I haven't found anything that's overly good at doing much more than converting to DVD-format files and then burning an ISO (menu editing kinda sucks, etc). Any good (graphical) toolkits that do conversion, editing, and encoding well? As much as I love commandline, even I don't really care for laying out a DVD in an XML file VS a GUI. Regards, TJA -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 477-1784 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 6 18:21:53 2008 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:21:53 -0500 Subject: Colocation available in Durham Region? Message-ID: <4386c5b20802061021g286aabd3if2caef8432bbf733@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks, I'm wondering if anyone knows of a colocation facility in the area of Pickering, Ajax, Whitby or Oshawa? I'm considering this route, but I want it to be close to home! Cheers, Aaron. -- Aaron Vegh, Principal Innoveghtive Inc. P: (647) 477-2690 C: (905) 924-1220 www.innoveghtive.com www.website-in-a-day.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 6 18:39:08 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:39:08 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080206003035.24219.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204151438.GJ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204183825.16245.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204184940.21703.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204185501.GN26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205013804.4671.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205141749.GQ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205213618.13546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205214458.GU26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206003035.24219.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080206183908.GV26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 07:30:33PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Okay, I ran CHKDSK in REcover Console and got this message: > > 'The volume appears to contain one or more unrecoverable problems.' Hmm, then something is seriaouly wrong with that windows install. I have no idea what would have caused that. Oddly enough my wife had a FAT32 partition get errors on it after playing with ubuntu a few days ago on her laptop. Vista was unimpressed to say the least. I wonder if there is something in the current ubuntu that is broken when it tries to access FAT32 drives. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 6 19:27:31 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:27:31 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080206183908.GV26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204151438.GJ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204183825.16245.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204184940.21703.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204185501.GN26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205013804.4671.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205141749.GQ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205213618.13546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205214458.GU26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206003035.24219.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206183908.GV26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080206192731.22974.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Lennart Sorensen writes: > On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 07:30:33PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> Okay, I ran CHKDSK in Recovery Console and got this message: >> >> 'The volume appears to contain one or more unrecoverable problems.' > > Hmm, then something is seriously wrong with that windows install. I > have no idea what would have caused that. > > Oddly enough my wife had a FAT32 partition get errors on it after > playing with ubuntu a few days ago on her laptop. Vista was unimpressed > to say the least. I wonder if there is something in the current ubuntu > that is broken when it tries to access FAT32 drives. Well, I could try installing W2K on ntfs but won't that make other problems for me later doing backups from machine to machine or remote printing or sharing files and whatnot? I just want to run W2K because it runs the emu1212m, but I don't want to constantly be fooling around with permissions because of ntfs. I mean our home network will remain mostly linux... Chris > -- > Len Sorensen > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 6 19:45:27 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:45:27 -0800 Subject: Linux DVD authoring tools In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0802060609o2beedad3m81d15a4ca1aec1a0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0802060609o2beedad3m81d15a4ca1aec1a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 6, 2008 6:09 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Every now and then I throw this one out to see if anything has > changed. Adding to JoeHill's comment about Linux video conversion > tools, does anyone know of good DVD authoring/creation software? I've > used a variety, but I haven't found anything that's overly good at > doing much more than converting to DVD-format files and then burning > an ISO (menu editing kinda sucks, etc). > > Any good (graphical) toolkits that do conversion, editing, and > encoding well? As much as I love commandline, even I don't really care > for laying out a DVD in an XML file VS a GUI. qdvdauthor? -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 6 20:35:41 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:35:41 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080206192731.22974.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204183825.16245.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204184940.21703.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204185501.GN26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205013804.4671.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205141749.GQ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205213618.13546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205214458.GU26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206003035.24219.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206183908.GV26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206192731.22974.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080206203541.GW26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 02:27:31PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Well, I could try installing W2K on ntfs but won't that make other problems > for me later doing backups from machine to machine or remote printing or > sharing files and whatnot? I just want to run W2K because it runs the > emu1212m, but I don't want to constantly be fooling around with permissions > because of ntfs. I mean our home network will remain mostly linux... Writing to NTFS is a problem from linux. Reading works fine, so while you would not be able to add files to windows from linux, you can copy files from windows using linux. Having a shared drive for data using FAT32 is handy, but for the main drive for windows I would recommend sticking with NTFS. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 6 20:38:45 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:38:45 +0000 Subject: Colocation available in Durham Region? In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20802061021g286aabd3if2caef8432bbf733-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20802061021g286aabd3if2caef8432bbf733@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 6, 2008 6:21 PM, Aaron Vegh wrote: > Hi folks, > I'm wondering if anyone knows of a colocation facility in the area of > Pickering, Ajax, Whitby or Oshawa? I'm considering this route, but I > want it to be close to home! Not to be nosy, but I do wonder why... In both personal and professional colo involvements, I haven't ever really had a reason to care if the location was even in the same timezone. "Local continent" tends to be nice, from a network latency perspective, but even my connections to India tend not to be *too* awful. (Not that I'd commend colo-ing there! It's a bit far, and quality of service is a bit too hard to validate...) -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 6 20:56:40 2008 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:56:40 -0500 Subject: Colocation available in Durham Region? In-Reply-To: References: <4386c5b20802061021g286aabd3if2caef8432bbf733@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4386c5b20802061256g5dfbae0ep659f7e8437cb4645@mail.gmail.com> Hi Chris, > Not to be nosy, but I do wonder why... In both personal and > professional colo involvements, I haven't ever really had a reason to > care if the location was even in the same timezone. Well, call me paranoid. :-) I just want to be able to get at the machine in case anything goes wrong. I suppose it depends on the colo support that goes with it, whether it's worthwhile to have someone there manage your machine for you? I'd be happy to invite broader comment on colocation in general, what kind of service one should expect, and what some recommended providers are? Thanks, Aaron. -- Aaron Vegh, Principal Innoveghtive Inc. P: (647) 477-2690 C: (905) 924-1220 www.innoveghtive.com www.website-in-a-day.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 6 21:01:27 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:01:27 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080206183908.GV26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204151438.GJ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080204183825.16245.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204184940.21703.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204185501.GN26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205013804.4671.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205141749.GQ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205213618.13546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205214458.GU26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206003035.24219.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206183908.GV26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080206210128.29029.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Lennart Sorensen writes: > On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 07:30:33PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> Okay, I ran CHKDSK in Recovery Console and got this message: >> >> 'The volume appears to contain one or more unrecoverable problems.' > > Hmm, then something is seriously wrong with that windows install. I > have no idea what would have caused that. Yeah, and I duplicated the problem on another hard drive. So, unless ubuntu doesn't like sharing with W2K *on this particular model* (they are identical) of drive, we can rule out hardware failure...unless both hard drives are physically damaged in the same way. Unlikely. Well. this will be awkward (but not impossible: I'll be recording music with the emu1212m in W2K on one hard drive (in a removable drive bay) then I remove that hard drive, then insert another to everything else (on ubuntu). 'Cause I ain't gettin' back into Windows for everything - that's fer damn sure. Chris W2K -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 6 21:10:03 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:10:03 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080206203541.GW26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204183825.16245.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204184940.21703.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080204185501.GN26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205013804.4671.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205141749.GQ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205213618.13546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205214458.GU26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206003035.24219.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206183908.GV26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206192731.22974.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206203541.GW26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080206211004.23299.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Lennart Sorensen writes: > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 02:27:31PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> Well, I could try installing W2K on ntfs but won't that make other problems >> for me later doing backups from machine to machine or remote printing or >> sharing files and whatnot? I just want to run W2K because it runs the >> emu1212m, but I don't want to constantly be fooling around with permissions >> because of ntfs. I mean our home network will remain mostly linux... > > Writing to NTFS is a problem from linux. Reading works fine, so while > you would not be able to add files to windows from linux, you can copy > files from windows using linux. Having a shared drive for data using > FAT32 is handy, but for the main drive for windows I would recommend > sticking with NTFS. This is uncharted territory so I don't know if you'll want to hazard a guess. What do you think the chances are that this problem would be rectified by doing the W2K/u7.10 dual-boot installation again, this time with W2K on ntfs? I just don't want to waste a couple of hours if there's no hope. I seem to recall there was some scenario in which the bootloader should be installed on the "first sector of the boot partition" instead of the MBR. Maybe that's for a dual-boot of W98 and NT or somesuch (and nothing to do with linux). Does that ring a bell? Chris > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 6 21:32:00 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:32:00 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080206211004.23299.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204185501.GN26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205013804.4671.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205141749.GQ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205213618.13546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205214458.GU26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206003035.24219.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206183908.GV26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206192731.22974.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206203541.GW26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206211004.23299.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080206213200.GX26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 04:10:03PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > This is uncharted territory so I don't know if you'll want to hazard a > guess. What do you think the chances are that this problem would be > rectified by doing the W2K/u7.10 dual-boot installation again, this time > with W2K on ntfs? > > I just don't want to waste a couple of hours if there's no hope. > > I seem to recall there was some scenario in which the bootloader should be > installed on the "first sector of the boot partition" instead of the MBR. > Maybe that's for a dual-boot of W98 and NT or somesuch (and nothing to do > with linux). Does that ring a bell? I used to do that back when I used to reinstall windows every 3 months (generally a good idea with win9x), and windows would overwrite the MBR every time, so having the boot loader on the first primary linux partition meant I could get the system booting normally again simply by changing the active partition in fdisk from dos to be the linux partition instead of the C: partition. The MBR stayed as the generic 'boot the partition with the bootable flag'. Since I no longer reinstall windows (or install in the first place) on my machines, I just install GRUB in the mbr and don't have any partitions flagged bootable. Windows does seem to insist on having a bootable partition so marking C: bootable might be a good idea. Do NOT resize the windows partition while installing linux. I wouldn't trust it to get that right. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jane99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 6 21:39:57 2008 From: jane99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jane Zhang) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:39:57 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080204035811.17990.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204035811.17990.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <3037a13f0802061339qd6acbe9t7a5ede8d0760e9df@mail.gmail.com> I haven't had any issues with Windows XP/Ubuntu 71.0 dual boot systems. Haven't tried Win 2K but you might try this thread here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=330 Hope it helps. Jane On Feb 3, 2008 10:58 PM, wrote: > Are there any gotchas to know about setting up a dual-boot W2K/ ubuntu > 7.10 > system? In the five months I've had my emu1212m pci soundcard I have not > been able to get it to work under linux. So, I thought I'd try a dual-boot > with Windows 2000 to see if it works under that OS. I installed W2K first. > Then I installed Ubuntu. Ubuntu suggested that if W2K would be the only > other OS on this system that I should install grub to the Master Boot > Record. So, that is what I did. > > Now I'm getting: > > ***STOP [various memory addresses] INACCESSIBLE BOOT DEVICE [then comes > the > advice to check for viruses, remove newly installed hard drives/hard drive > controllers, check hard drive configuration, run CHKDSK /F > > What happened? Ubuntu thought it would be okay... > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 6 21:51:50 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:51:50 -0500 Subject: Colocation available in Durham Region? In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20802061256g5dfbae0ep659f7e8437cb4645-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20802061021g286aabd3if2caef8432bbf733@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20802061256g5dfbae0ep659f7e8437cb4645@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47AA2BF6.6080807@rogers.com> Aaron Vegh wrote: > Hi Chris, > > >> Not to be nosy, but I do wonder why... In both personal and >> professional colo involvements, I haven't ever really had a reason to >> care if the location was even in the same timezone. >> > > Well, call me paranoid. :-) I just want to be able to get at the > machine in case anything goes wrong. I suppose it depends on the colo > support that goes with it, whether it's worthwhile to have someone > there manage your machine for you? I'd be happy to invite broader > comment on colocation in general, what kind of service one should > expect, and what some recommended providers are? > > Thanks, > Aaron. > > In the "good" server sites, they'll never let you anywhere near the computer, for security reasons. I was at one recently, where I was weighed coming and going and had my fingerprints scanned. In there, to go into the server room, you have to swipe your card. That lets you into a small room, where you get weighed and scanned again and if everything checks, another door opens, so you can proceed. You can't even get out, without going through that process. BTW, that one was in Brampton. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 6 22:29:04 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:29:04 +0000 Subject: Colocation available in Durham Region? In-Reply-To: <47AA2BF6.6080807-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20802061021g286aabd3if2caef8432bbf733@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20802061256g5dfbae0ep659f7e8437cb4645@mail.gmail.com> <47AA2BF6.6080807@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Feb 6, 2008 9:51 PM, James Knott wrote: > In the "good" server sites, they'll never let you anywhere near the > computer, for security reasons. I was at one recently, where I was > weighed coming and going and had my fingerprints scanned. In there, to > go into the server room, you have to swipe your card. That lets you > into a small room, where you get weighed and scanned again and if > everything checks, another door opens, so you can proceed. You can't > even get out, without going through that process. "So every time you go to the lavatory there it is vitally important to get a receipt." http://hhgproject.org/entries/bethselamin.html -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 6 22:43:07 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:43:07 -0500 Subject: Colocation available in Durham Region? In-Reply-To: References: <4386c5b20802061021g286aabd3if2caef8432bbf733@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20802061256g5dfbae0ep659f7e8437cb4645@mail.gmail.com> <47AA2BF6.6080807@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47AA37FB.5000600@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > On Feb 6, 2008 9:51 PM, James Knott wrote: > >> In the "good" server sites, they'll never let you anywhere near the >> computer, for security reasons. I was at one recently, where I was >> weighed coming and going and had my fingerprints scanned. In there, to >> go into the server room, you have to swipe your card. That lets you >> into a small room, where you get weighed and scanned again and if >> everything checks, another door opens, so you can proceed. You can't >> even get out, without going through that process. >> > > "So every time you go to the lavatory there it is vitally important to > get a receipt." > Actually, that did cause some difficulties as I was initially weighed in with my computer and tool kit, which I did not carry with me when I went to use the "facilities". I had to get a security guard to let me through. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 6 23:56:39 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:56:39 -0500 Subject: a small extra job opportunity (administrator/web developer) Message-ID: This is indeed a small job, just 200 C$ fixed per month, for about 10 hours of work monthly; This possibility may continue for a longer time period, not just months. My friend rents servers at linode.com, for his small company and for at least two other companies. I used to do the work but my main full time work takes nearly all my attention and I can hardly take care of his stuff. Hence, perhaps it would be ideal for a student, or for anyone wishing to work a few hours more per month? There is no such thing like strict reporting of time spend, or when the work is done, just it ought to be done at your convenience. Occasionally there is some simple programming needed, designing of simple HTML, etc. First of all taking care that things are running all the time is crucial. Hence, the requirement is knowing basic HTML, hardly desirable is knowing PHP, apache, as well postgres, postfix would be nice, but the most important are somewhat more than basic only Linux administration skills, since that person would have full root access to servers. The servers are configured already and running safe for a longer time period. I would occasionally help if needed, or guide in learning the stuff. Anyone wish to try? zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 7 00:54:49 2008 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:54:49 -0500 Subject: Colocation available in Durham Region? In-Reply-To: References: <4386c5b20802061021g286aabd3if2caef8432bbf733@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080207005448.GD22772@adb.ca> Christopher Browne wrote: > Not to be nosy, but I do wonder why... In both personal and > professional colo involvements, I haven't ever really had a reason to > care if the location was even in the same timezone. In my experience in the business, "colo" means colocation of the customer's equipment in the datacentre, with the provider providing space, power, network access, and security. That meant the customer would want a facility not too far away, and drove up the costs because of the security requirement (the customers would like it if the guy in the next shelf or cage doesn't accidentally elbow them, or "borrow" parts or anything like that) and because the computers were never the same shape or size so there was a fair bit of wasted space. The opposite, "hosting", meant rental of the provider's computers, with the customer never entering the facility, so you didn't need to subdivide your security arrangements and could really pack in the systems. This would range from upload-only web accounts, to webservice accounts you could SSH into, to virtual machines, and upward to whole-machine contracts. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 7 01:00:25 2008 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:00:25 -0500 Subject: Linux DVD authoring tools In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef0802060609o2beedad3m81d15a4ca1aec1a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47AA5829.4050702@golden.net> Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > On Feb 6, 2008 6:09 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > >> Every now and then I throw this one out to see if anything has >> changed. Adding to JoeHill's comment about Linux video conversion >> tools, does anyone know of good DVD authoring/creation software? I've >> used a variety, but I haven't found anything that's overly good at >> doing much more than converting to DVD-format files and then burning >> an ISO (menu editing kinda sucks, etc). >> >> Any good (graphical) toolkits that do conversion, editing, and >> encoding well? As much as I love commandline, even I don't really care >> for laying out a DVD in an XML file VS a GUI. >> > > qdvdauthor? > Devede ? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 7 01:17:02 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 17:17:02 -0800 Subject: Linux DVD authoring tools In-Reply-To: <47AA5829.4050702-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0802060609o2beedad3m81d15a4ca1aec1a0@mail.gmail.com> <47AA5829.4050702@golden.net> Message-ID: On Feb 6, 2008 5:00 PM, John Myshrall wrote: > Devede ? I don't think devede does menus though, as he wanted... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevjmorris-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 7 01:38:54 2008 From: kevjmorris-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Kevin Morris) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:38:54 -0500 Subject: a small extra job opportunity (administrator/web developer) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I would like to take on this opportunity. I have good knowledge of HTML, Linux, SQL and Java. I have also done some programming work in PHP. I graduated in 2006 with a degree in comp sci, currently I am working in a QA role, but I want to do something more technical, this would be a good opportunity to further my Linux skills. Feel free to contact me directly, kevjmorris at hotmail.com. Thanks Kevin > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:56:39 -0500 > From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: [TLUG]: a small extra job opportunity (administrator/web developer) > > This is indeed a small job, just 200 C$ fixed per month, for about 10 > hours of work monthly; This possibility may continue for a longer time > period, not just months. > > My friend rents servers at linode.com, for his small company and for > at least two other companies. I used to do the work but my main full > time work takes nearly all my attention and I can hardly take care of > his stuff. > > Hence, perhaps it would be ideal for a student, or for anyone wishing > to work a few hours more per month? There is no such thing like strict > reporting of time spend, or when the work is done, just it ought to be > done at your convenience. Occasionally there is some simple > programming needed, designing of simple HTML, etc. First of all taking > care that things are running all the time is crucial. > > Hence, the requirement is knowing basic HTML, hardly desirable is > knowing PHP, apache, as well postgres, postfix would be nice, but the > most important are somewhat more than basic only Linux administration > skills, since that person would have full root access to servers. The > servers are configured already and running safe for a longer time > period. > > I would occasionally help if needed, or guide in learning the stuff. > > Anyone wish to try? > > zb. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 7 13:50:13 2008 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:50:13 -0500 Subject: Linux DVD authoring tools In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef0802060609o2beedad3m81d15a4ca1aec1a0@mail.gmail.com> <47AA5829.4050702@golden.net> Message-ID: <47AB0C95.7040503@golden.net> Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > On Feb 6, 2008 5:00 PM, John Myshrall wrote: > >> Devede ? >> > > I don't think devede does menus though, as he wanted... > Right. DVD Styler. Try this helpful link for info. It's covers others and there is actually a Linux Multimedia book. http://www.smorgasbord.net/2007/06/29/converting-video-in-linux-using-ffmpeg-and-mencoder/. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 7 16:47:11 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:47:11 -0500 Subject: Colocation available in Durham Region? In-Reply-To: <20080207005448.GD22772-SACILpcuo74@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20802061021g286aabd3if2caef8432bbf733@mail.gmail.com> <20080207005448.GD22772@adb.ca> Message-ID: <20080207164711.GY26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 07:54:49PM -0500, Anthony de Boer wrote: > In my experience in the business, "colo" means colocation of the > customer's equipment in the datacentre, with the provider providing > space, power, network access, and security. That meant the customer > would want a facility not too far away, and drove up the costs because of > the security requirement (the customers would like it if the guy in the > next shelf or cage doesn't accidentally elbow them, or "borrow" parts or > anything like that) and because the computers were never the same shape > or size so there was a fair bit of wasted space. I was always amazed when I went to the wynford drive colo at Bell (during my previous job a few years ago) that there didn't ever seem to be anyone making sure you didn't go mess with someone elses computers. After all if I turned around 180 degrees when working on the servers there I was looking at boxes labeled "Sympatico/Lycos". I imagine someone would have been very upset if I poked at those. :) I even went and swapped out a broken server once by making an appointment over the phone, showing up at the front desk with a 6U server, going down with it, swapping out the other one, and leaving with the broken 6U server. It never did seem very secure to me. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 7 17:26:49 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:26:49 -0500 Subject: Linux DVD authoring tools In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0802060609o2beedad3m81d15a4ca1aec1a0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0802060609o2beedad3m81d15a4ca1aec1a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080207122649.0c9869ea@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Tyler Aviss wrote: > Every now and then I throw this one out to see if anything has > changed. Adding to JoeHill's comment about Linux video conversion > tools, does anyone know of good DVD authoring/creation software? I've > used a variety, but I haven't found anything that's overly good at > doing much more than converting to DVD-format files and then burning > an ISO (menu editing kinda sucks, etc). > > Any good (graphical) toolkits that do conversion, editing, and > encoding well? As much as I love commandline, even I don't really care > for laying out a DVD in an XML file VS a GUI. I would recommend trying Tovid. I am not a big fan of the GUI myself, but it is fairly simple to use and can create some really cool menu effects. It handles every step for you, from converting the videos to NTSC compliant MPEGs, through to authoring and burning the DVD. If you try Tovid, I highly recommend joining the googlegroups list and checking out the latest SVN. The developers will literally bend over backwards to help you get the results you want. http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Amy: Bender, you should be more ashamed of yourself than usual. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 7 18:34:52 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 13:34:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Colocation available in Durham Region? In-Reply-To: <20080207005448.GD22772-SACILpcuo74@public.gmane.org> References: <20080207005448.GD22772@adb.ca> Message-ID: <232648.39630.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Anthony de Boer wrote: > Christopher Browne wrote: > > Not to be nosy, but I do wonder why... In both > personal and > > professional colo involvements, I haven't ever > really had a reason to > > care if the location was even in the same > timezone. > > In my experience in the business, "colo" means > colocation of the > customer's equipment in the datacentre, with the > provider providing > space, power, network access, and security. That > meant the customer > would want a facility not too far away, and drove up > the costs because of > the security requirement (the customers would like > it if the guy in the > next shelf or cage doesn't accidentally elbow them, > or "borrow" parts or > anything like that) and because the computers were > never the same shape > or size so there was a fair bit of wasted space. Well, at one past employer, they used a colocation facility on an island in the Caribbean. This due to legal reasons (the firm was providing support services for on-line casinos). So, NORMALLY you would want a colocation spot fairly close by, but there are situations were legalities are such that keeping a server outside Canada is a must (and the U.S. is even less of an option than Canada...). Colin McGregor > The opposite, "hosting", meant rental of the > provider's computers, with > the customer never entering the facility, so you > didn't need to subdivide > your security arrangements and could really pack in > the systems. This > would range from upload-only web accounts, to > webservice accounts you could > SSH into, to virtual machines, and upward to > whole-machine contracts. > > -- > Anthony de Boer > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 7 21:13:22 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:13:22 -0500 Subject: Colocation available in Durham Region? In-Reply-To: <232648.39630.qm-p6KvMhi7PWKB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20080207005448.GD22772@adb.ca> <232648.39630.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080207211322.GZ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 01:34:52PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > Well, at one past employer, they used a colocation > facility on an island in the Caribbean. This due to > legal reasons (the firm was providing support services > for on-line casinos). So, NORMALLY you would want a > colocation spot fairly close by, but there are > situations were legalities are such that keeping a > server outside Canada is a must (and the U.S. is even > less of an option than Canada...). I remember Antigua was a popular spot for at least one of those Toronto based companies. :) I still have a bit of the hotsauce a friend brought back from there after installing one of those servers. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 7 23:27:03 2008 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 18:27:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Question on ussing ssh-add outside of Xwindows? Is it possible? Message-ID: Hello All, I normally use ssh-add in combination with a private/public key. Recently I had some problems (freezing) with xwindows on one old laptop. Since I'm only using this laptop to backup my data I removed gdm and am running it without X. However, once I'm out of Xwindows, ssh-add no longer works. When I type ssh-add outside Xwindows, I get the following error: "couldn't not open a connection to your authentication agent". I'm just wondering if you know whether there is anything simple I could do to fix this or whether I really need to be in X when running ssh-add? Thanks very much for any suggestions. Cheers, Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 7 23:30:43 2008 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 18:30:43 -0500 Subject: Question on ussing ssh-add outside of Xwindows? Is it possible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080207233043.GG22772@adb.ca> Alex Maynard wrote: > I'm just wondering if you know whether there is anything simple I could do > to fix this or whether I really need to be in X when running ssh-add? X itself has nothing to do with it, but look at the ssh-agent manpage. You have to have an agent running, preferably as parent of the shell you're using, or you have to copy a bunch of environment variables around. Ssh-add registers keys with the ssh-agent, and then the ssh or scp commands talk to the agent process to get credentials when you want to access a remote host. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 8 02:09:50 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:09:50 -0500 Subject: Colocation available in Durham Region? In-Reply-To: <20080207164711.GY26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20802061021g286aabd3if2caef8432bbf733@mail.gmail.com> <20080207005448.GD22772@adb.ca> <20080207164711.GY26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47ABB9EE.60001@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 07:54:49PM -0500, Anthony de Boer wrote: > >> In my experience in the business, "colo" means colocation of the >> customer's equipment in the datacentre, with the provider providing >> space, power, network access, and security. That meant the customer >> would want a facility not too far away, and drove up the costs because of >> the security requirement (the customers would like it if the guy in the >> next shelf or cage doesn't accidentally elbow them, or "borrow" parts or >> anything like that) and because the computers were never the same shape >> or size so there was a fair bit of wasted space. >> > > I was always amazed when I went to the wynford drive colo at Bell > (during my previous job a few years ago) that there didn't ever seem to > be anyone making sure you didn't go mess with someone elses computers. > After all if I turned around 180 degrees when working on the servers > there I was looking at boxes labeled "Sympatico/Lycos". I imagine > someone would have been very upset if I poked at those. :) > That's unusual. At all the Bell sites I've been to, they had a separate locked cage for each customer. We did the same thing, back when I worked for Unitel. > I even went and swapped out a broken server once by making an > appointment over the phone, showing up at the front desk with a 6U > server, going down with it, swapping out the other one, and leaving with > the broken 6U server. It never did seem very secure to me. > > Years ago, I used to work for CN Telecommunications/CNCP Telecommunications/Unitel Communications at 151 Front St. W. I often thought that if you wanted to steal something, all you had to do was to carry it out on a hand truck. Then stand around the lobby, as though you're waiting for a ride and then walk out with that something. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 8 02:35:54 2008 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:35:54 -0500 Subject: Colocation available in Durham Region? In-Reply-To: <47ABB9EE.60001-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20802061021g286aabd3if2caef8432bbf733@mail.gmail.com> <20080207164711.GY26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47ABB9EE.60001@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200802072135.55737.glayng@sympatico.ca> On Thursday 07 February 2008 21:09, James Knott wrote: > > That's unusual. At all the Bell sites I've been to, they had a separate > locked cage for each customer. We did the same thing, back when I worked > for Unitel. Do you know how many stores' sales clerks would LOVE to do that to THEIR customers? :P -- there's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 8 14:28:54 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:28:54 -0500 Subject: Colocation available in Durham Region? In-Reply-To: <47ABB9EE.60001-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20802061021g286aabd3if2caef8432bbf733@mail.gmail.com> <20080207005448.GD22772@adb.ca> <20080207164711.GY26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47ABB9EE.60001@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080208142853.GA26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 09:09:50PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > That's unusual. At all the Bell sites I've been to, they had a separate > locked cage for each customer. We did the same thing, back when I worked > for Unitel. All they had was rows of racks. We had the bottom half of a rack (no one had the top half yet). > Years ago, I used to work for CN Telecommunications/CNCP > Telecommunications/Unitel Communications at 151 Front St. W. I often > thought that if you wanted to steal something, all you had to do was to > carry it out on a hand truck. Then stand around the lobby, as though > you're waiting for a ride and then walk out with that something. ;-) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 8 14:55:25 2008 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:55:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Question on ussing ssh-add outside of Xwindows? Is it possible? In-Reply-To: <20080207233043.GG22772-SACILpcuo74@public.gmane.org> References: <20080207233043.GG22772@adb.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Feb 2008, Anthony de Boer wrote: > Alex Maynard wrote: >> I'm just wondering if you know whether there is anything simple I could do >> to fix this or whether I really need to be in X when running ssh-add? > > X itself has nothing to do with it, but look at the ssh-agent manpage. > You have to have an agent running, preferably as parent of the shell Anthony, Thanks very much. According to the man page it ssh-agent should automatically start on both X and non-X logins. Maybe I need to reconfigure my non-X login. Alex > you're using, or you have to copy a bunch of environment variables > around. Ssh-add registers keys with the ssh-agent, and then the ssh or > scp commands talk to the agent process to get credentials when you want > to access a remote host. > > -- > Anthony de Boer > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 8 15:59:02 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:59:02 -0500 Subject: network printing Message-ID: <47AC7C46.5080507@chrisaitken.net> I'm trying to print across the network from a fedora 7 machine to an ubuntu 7.10 machine (printer is attached to that one). I thought I knew all the gotchas as I've done this so many times. Both machines are on the Internet, I can scp files between them, they can ping each other, both have openssh-server installed, I changed the line (/etc/cups/cupsd.conf) from 'Allow localhost' to 'Allow From All' (see excerpt below). What else can I try? The print server (do I automaticaly call it a print server because the printer is physically attached to it and the other computers print to it across the network?) prints to the printer okay. # Sample configuration file for the Common UNIX Printing System (CUPS) # scheduler. See "man cupsd.conf" for a complete description of this # file. # # Log general information in error_log - change "info" to "debug" for # troubleshooting... LogLevel warning # Administrator user group... SystemGroup lpadmin # Only listen for connections from the local machine. Listen localhost:631 Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock # Show shared printers on the local network. Browsing Off BrowseOrder allow,deny BrowseAllow all BrowseAddress @LOCAL # Default authentication type, when authentication is required... DefaultAuthType Basic # Restrict access to the server... Order allow,deny Allow From All Allow @LOCAL # Restrict access to the admin pages... Order allow,deny "/etc/cups/cupsd.conf" 85 lines, 2426 characters Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 8 17:23:58 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:23:58 -0500 Subject: network printing In-Reply-To: <47AC7C46.5080507-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47AC7C46.5080507@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <32f6a8880802080923g1460a0f1o39bd7dd1abf273c8@mail.gmail.com> Hey, Try telnetting to the port from the Fedora machine to see if it can connect. I'm thinking it may not be able to because of this: Listen localhost:631 This says it is only listening on localhost. You can also check the cups logs to see whats happening. On Feb 8, 2008 10:59 AM, Chris Aitken wrote: > I'm trying to print across the network from a fedora 7 machine to an > ubuntu 7.10 machine (printer is attached to that one). I thought I knew > all the gotchas as I've done this so many times. > > Both machines are on the Internet, I can scp files between them, they > can ping each other, both have openssh-server installed, I changed the > line (/etc/cups/cupsd.conf) from 'Allow localhost' to 'Allow From All' > (see excerpt below). What else can I try? The print server (do I > automaticaly call it a print server because the printer is physically > attached to it and the other computers print to it across the network?) > prints to the printer okay. > > > > # Sample configuration file for the Common UNIX Printing System (CUPS) > # scheduler. See "man cupsd.conf" for a complete description of this > # file. > # > > # Log general information in error_log - change "info" to "debug" for > # troubleshooting... > LogLevel warning > > # Administrator user group... > SystemGroup lpadmin > > > # Only listen for connections from the local machine. > Listen localhost:631 > Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock > > # Show shared printers on the local network. > Browsing Off > BrowseOrder allow,deny > BrowseAllow all > BrowseAddress @LOCAL > > # Default authentication type, when authentication is required... > DefaultAuthType Basic > > # Restrict access to the server... > > Order allow,deny > Allow From All > Allow @LOCAL > > > # Restrict access to the admin pages... > > Order allow,deny > "/etc/cups/cupsd.conf" 85 lines, 2426 characters > > Chris > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 8 17:43:21 2008 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:43:21 -0500 Subject: Web Developer/LAMP Admin Position (FT Permanent) Message-ID: <99a6c38f0802080943q4b9962bcqdc3ddd42a813c0d3@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I have a friend who's looking to fill a full-time permanent position (no contractors) to handle LAMP administration and web development in a logistics environment. I can't take it for various reasons, but I've been asked if I might put some feelers out and do a bit of pre-screening. Preference will be given to applicants with experience in the following areas: * Linux Server administration (Red Hat) * MySQL Database development & administration * Perl for system administration and CGI applications * DHTML (HTML, JavaScript, CSS) application development for Internet Explorer intranet clients I don't have any information regarding compensation, except that they'll offer a competative wage and benefits. If interested, please send your resume and salary expectations to me; selected applications will be forwarded with the applicant CC'd. Disclaimer: I am not a recruiter and won't see any $$ for this. My buddy's extremely busy though so I'm trying to lend a hand. Take care, - Scott. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 8 17:49:30 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:49:30 -0500 Subject: network printing In-Reply-To: <47AC7C46.5080507-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47AC7C46.5080507@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080208174930.GB26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 10:59:02AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > I'm trying to print across the network from a fedora 7 machine to an > ubuntu 7.10 machine (printer is attached to that one). I thought I knew > all the gotchas as I've done this so many times. > > Both machines are on the Internet, I can scp files between them, they > can ping each other, both have openssh-server installed, I changed the > line (/etc/cups/cupsd.conf) from 'Allow localhost' to 'Allow From All' > (see excerpt below). What else can I try? The print server (do I > automaticaly call it a print server because the printer is physically > attached to it and the other computers print to it across the network?) > prints to the printer okay. I have had very bad luck (as in it didn't work) editing the cups config manually on newer cups versions. What does work is going to the http://localhost:631/admin/ page and clicking the checkbox for sharing printers with the network and then saving settings. I didn't bother checking what it added to the config, but it worked. With the web interface there really is no reason to mess with the config file anymore. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 8 18:25:36 2008 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:25:36 -0500 Subject: Inexpensive RAID1 card required Message-ID: <47AC9EA0.2090606@gmail.com> There are a number of servers I have, that do not have RAID installed. I cannot easily add mdadm, and create a software RAID on these various servers. (many distros etc.) I was wondering if there was a inexpensive Linux RAID1 card. I dont want the RAID card to be another SPOF. That is, if the RAID1 fails; I can just connect either of the RAID1 drives back in to the SATA or IDE connectors on the motherboard. And most definitely, I do not want to "reformat" any of my servers to make a RAID1. (This would create reliance on the RAID card, and that is what I am trying to avoid) I would hope the Rcard would work as a RAID1 with as little modification as possible. /teddy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 8 19:23:41 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:23:41 -0500 Subject: network printing In-Reply-To: <20080208174930.GB26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47AC7C46.5080507@chrisaitken.net> <20080208174930.GB26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <32f6a8880802081123k7f9c8ebdr53b4533d8c2ac47a@mail.gmail.com> HI Len, Thats good to know.. I guess I have to learn.. interfaces are better :) I've been editing configs all the time, which sometimes get me into complicated scenarios. I'll give that a try and also forward that to my co-workers. On Feb 8, 2008 12:49 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 10:59:02AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > I'm trying to print across the network from a fedora 7 machine to an > > ubuntu 7.10 machine (printer is attached to that one). I thought I knew > > all the gotchas as I've done this so many times. > > > > Both machines are on the Internet, I can scp files between them, they > > can ping each other, both have openssh-server installed, I changed the > > line (/etc/cups/cupsd.conf) from 'Allow localhost' to 'Allow From All' > > (see excerpt below). What else can I try? The print server (do I > > automaticaly call it a print server because the printer is physically > > attached to it and the other computers print to it across the network?) > > prints to the printer okay. > > I have had very bad luck (as in it didn't work) editing the cups config > manually on newer cups versions. > > What does work is going to the http://localhost:631/admin/ page and > clicking the checkbox for sharing printers with the network and then > saving settings. I didn't bother checking what it added to the config, > but it worked. With the web interface there really is no reason to mess > with the config file anymore. > > -- > Len Sorensen > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 8 20:17:55 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:17:55 -0500 Subject: network printing In-Reply-To: <20080208174930.GB26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47AC7C46.5080507@chrisaitken.net> <20080208174930.GB26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080208201755.15350.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Lennart Sorensen writes: > I have had very bad luck (as in it didn't work) editing the cups config > manually on newer cups versions. > > What does work is going to the http://localhost:631/admin/ page and > clicking the checkbox for sharing printers with the network and then > saving settings. I didn't bother checking what it added to the config, > but it worked. With the web interface there really is no reason to mess > with the config file anymore. Yes, that checkbox was it. Sorry, you told me this before - I've now added that to my little cheat sheet (that I consult before emailing you guys), so I'll do it on my own next time. :/ Thanks again, Chris > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 9 17:23:37 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:23:37 -0500 Subject: set up studio Message-ID: <20080209172337.32065.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Hi, Sorry, in advance, for the long post. I want to record my songs but I?m having trouble just setting up the software/hardware infrastructure (if that term works). I thought if you knew my layout and challenges, I could get some general advice (instead of just specific things like, ?this is a good amp?, and ?this is a good software mixer?), so that my studio, though not state-of-the-art, will at least be functional - so that everything works together well. Here are my challenges: *E-mu 1212m pci card in linux*. I couldn?t get my emu1212m pci soundcard to fully function under Ubuntu 7.10 (even upgrading alsa sound drivers to 1.0.14rc didn?t give me full functionality). I even tried installing alsa 1.0.15, but the repository file I had to edit and the commands that the package manager advised me to run made a mess of my system (I had to re-install). *E-mu 1212m pci card in W2K*. So, I finally gave in (I?d really like to keep using linux) and tried Windows 2000 Pro. The soundcard works fine in W2K. *Linux/Windows dual-boot*. Since I want to do my other business work (word processing, printing, email) on linux, I tried to do a Ubuntu 7.10/Windows 2000 dual-boot. Linux/Windows dual-boots usually work fine as long as you install Windows first (which I did). However, I?m getting W2K?s version of the blue screen ?o? death. I have repeated this problem several times now, so it wasn?t a fluke. I?d like to have a dual-boot scenario, at least until I find that there is a stable version of a linux distro that will fully run the emu1212m. Another reason I want a dual-boot is that I can save files between Windows and linux, easily. This would be good, for instance, if I created .aup (Audacity project) files in Windows, then (when stable emu 1212 support is available in linux) move them over to linux and run them in Audacity on that OS. *Cubasis VST OEM, and Audacity*. Although Cubasis VST OEM (the recorder/mixer that came with the emu1212 m) seems to be giving me full functionality (of the emu 1212m), I was hoping to also have Audacity on the same system (so I can use both apps ? I?m somewhat familiar with the Audacity interface and I know it will give me .ogg and unlimited .mp3 functionality (both of which Cubasis does not offer ?out-of-the-box)). Audacity does not seem to be fully functional for me under W2K (for instance, the mixer toolbar input selector drop-down menu is not even present). *Mic Pre-amp?* Yesterday, for the first time, I got the emu1212m to record! I was thrilled. It was just a phrase of singing. However, the singing sounded muddy. I have not done any EQ (which I don?t know how to do yet) but it was really muddy. I?m wondering if the problem is that I have inadequate microphone pre-amplification. I saw in the emu1212m manual that the balanced 1/4? lines IN are ?line level?. So, I plugged my mic into the only pre-amp I have (it?s just a little Realistic Stereo Pre-amplifier Model No. 42-2109). It?s a phono (record player) pre-amp; only about the size of two packages of cigarettes. Should it be obvious to me that this thing is just not clean enough or powerful enough (or both) to use as a pre-amplifier in a semi-pro recording studio? I don?t mind buying a mic pre-amp (which, I hope, would double as a guitar/bass pre-amp) but I don?t buy anything until I hit a wall and am sure of why I need to buy something. At one point I was looking at the ?Presonus Firebox 6X10 24-bit/96K FireWire Recording System?. However, that was before I bought the emu1212m pci soundcard, so the Presonus may do the job but it may also be more than what I now need. *Analogue guy*. By the way, I am (for now) an analogue /non-midi guy. I don?t care (yet) about firewire, midi, adat, and s/pdif. I just want to plug a mic or guitar, keyboard or drum machine into an XLR or 1/4? port, record tracks, mix ?em down on a simple interface, export as .ogg or .mp3, and burn a CD. *Balanced/Unbalanced*. I have a dog?s breakfast of balanced and unbalanced devices/cables/adaptors in my studio. I really don?t want to have to get a physical mixer (because of the expense) so I am using a patch bay. Nice and simple. Unfortunately, after years of using this (just to choose among listening to my tapedeck, CD player, and computer) I did a web search and find that it is probably an unbalanced patch bay (TASCAM PATCH BAY PB-32P). Rats. Any help would be appreciated. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 9 18:04:55 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 13:04:55 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080206213200.GX26258-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204185501.GN26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205013804.4671.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205141749.GQ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205213618.13546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205214458.GU26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206003035.24219.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206183908.GV26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206192731.22974.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206203541.GW26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206211004.23299.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206213200.GX26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080209180455.3544.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Lennart Sorensen writes: > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 04:10:03PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> This is uncharted territory so I don't know if you'll want to hazard a >> guess. What do you think the chances are that this problem would be >> rectified by doing the W2K/u7.10 dual-boot installation again, this time >> with W2K on ntfs? >> >> I just don't want to waste a couple of hours if there's no hope. >> >> I seem to recall there was some scenario in which the bootloader should be >> installed on the "first sector of the boot partition" instead of the MBR. >> Maybe that's for a dual-boot of W98 and NT or somesuch (and nothing to do >> with linux). Does that ring a bell? > > I used to do that back when I used to reinstall windows every 3 months > (generally a good idea with win9x), and windows would overwrite the MBR > every time, so having the boot loader on the first primary linux > partition meant I could get the system booting normally again simply by > changing the active partition in fdisk from dos to be the linux > partition instead of the C: partition. The MBR stayed as the generic > 'boot the partition with the bootable flag'. > > Since I no longer reinstall windows (or install in the first place) on > my machines, I just install GRUB in the mbr and don't have any > partitions flagged bootable. Windows does seem to insist on having a > bootable partition so marking C: bootable might be a good idea. Okay, I was able to install a u7.10/W2K dual-boot on another computer, So, now I know it can be done. Hard drive failure seems unlikely as I am able to install either OS on the drive, just not both at the same time. I'm wondering if it's the hard drive *model* that's a problem. I had the same problem on two identical hard drives - they are WD 160 GB drives. The other thing is that maybe my motherboard/BIOS doesn't like this dual-boot scenario. Would it be worth trying taking the hard drive, installing the dual-boot on the computer an which the dual-boot installation works, then remove the hard drive and re-install the hard drive (not the OS) on the computer I want it on? Obviously some drivers and things will change as the hard drive will now have a new computer home. Is that even worth trying? In the meantime I'll ask the tech at Krazy Krazy (where I bought the hard drives) if there is anything about these hard drives that he can think of that would cause a problem dual-booting. I have had other dual-boot (linux/Windows) installations on the computer I want this on, so I know the motherboard/BIOS doesn't reject dual-boots as a rule - but this one scenario or this one hard drive model is a problem... Chris > > Do NOT resize the windows partition while installing linux. I wouldn't > trust it to get that right. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 9 19:49:56 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 11:49:56 -0800 Subject: set up studio In-Reply-To: <20080209172337.32065.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080209172337.32065.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: On Feb 9, 2008 9:23 AM, wrote: > Sorry, in advance, for the long post. I want to record my songs but I'm > having trouble just setting up the software/hardware infrastructure (if that > term works). I thought if you knew my layout and challenges, I could get > some general advice (instead of just specific things like, 'this is a good > amp', and 'this is a good software mixer'), so that my studio, though not > state-of-the-art, will at least be functional - so that everything works > together well. Here are my challenges: Ubuntu Studio, 64Studio, or others? > *E-mu 1212m pci card in linux*. I couldn't get my emu1212m pci soundcard to > fully function under Ubuntu 7.10 (even upgrading alsa sound drivers to > 1.0.14rc didn't give me full functionality). I even tried installing alsa > 1.0.15, but the repository file I had to edit and the commands that the > package manager advised me to run made a mess of my system (I had to > re-install). Sounds like you need a new driver in the latest ALSA. If you are having trouble installing it manually, you could try to go with Ubuntu Hardy as an /easy/ solution... > *E-mu 1212m pci card in W2K*. So, I finally gave in (I'd really like to keep > using linux) and tried Windows 2000 Pro. The soundcard works fine in W2K. It would be nice if the manufacturer made a driver for your Linux system now wouldn't it :-) Call them up and tell them you are pissed. It helps. I never sit by and let them get away with it. If they didn't write a driver for me, I call, ask why, open a ticket, and then try to talk to at least one developer... > *Linux/Windows dual-boot*. Since I want to do my other business work (word > processing, printing, email) on linux, I tried to do a Ubuntu 7.10/Windows > 2000 dual-boot. Linux/Windows dual-boots usually work fine as long as you > install Windows first (which I did). However, I'm getting W2K's version of > the blue screen 'o' death. I have repeated this problem several times now, > so it wasn't a fluke. I'd like to have a dual-boot scenario, at least until > I find that there is a stable version of a linux distro that will fully run > the emu1212m. Another reason I want a dual-boot is that I can save files > between Windows and linux, easily. This would be good, for instance, if I > created .aup (Audacity project) files in Windows, then (when stable emu 1212 > support is available in linux) move them over to linux and run them in > Audacity on that OS. Dual-booting is nothing special... > *Cubasis VST OEM, and Audacity*. Although Cubasis VST OEM (the > recorder/mixer that came with the emu1212 m) seems to be giving me full > functionality (of the emu 1212m), I was hoping to also have Audacity on the > same system (so I can use both apps ? I'm somewhat familiar with the > Audacity interface and I know it will give me .ogg and unlimited .mp3 > functionality (both of which Cubasis does not offer "out-of-the-box)). > Audacity does not seem to be fully functional for me under W2K (for > instance, the mixer toolbar input selector drop-down menu is not even > present). If you are doing multi-channel recording, you probably want to try Ardour over Audacity... > *Mic Pre-amp?* Yesterday, for the first time, I got the emu1212m to record! > I was thrilled. It was just a phrase of singing. However, the singing > sounded muddy. I have not done any EQ (which I don't know how to do yet) but > it was really muddy. I'm wondering if the problem is that I have inadequate > microphone pre-amplification. I saw in the emu1212m manual that the balanced > 1/4" lines IN are "line level". So, I plugged my mic into the only pre-amp I > have (it's just a little Realistic Stereo Pre-amplifier Model No. 42-2109). > It's a phono (record player) pre-amp; only about the size of two packages of > cigarettes. Should it be obvious to me that this thing is just not clean > enough or powerful enough (or both) to use as a pre-amplifier in a semi-pro > recording studio? I don't mind buying a mic pre-amp (which, I hope, would > double as a guitar/bass pre-amp) but I don't buy anything until I hit a wall > and am sure of why I need to buy something. At one point I was looking at > the "Presonus Firebox 6X10 24-bit/96K FireWire Recording System". However, > that was before I bought the emu1212m pci soundcard, so the Presonus may do > the job but it may also be more than what I now need. At least in Gnome, if you open up the sound settings you can tick the checkbox for "mic boost". You can also do this via alsamixer command line interface... > *Analogue guy*. By the way, I am (for now) an analogue /non-midi guy. I > don't care (yet) about firewire, midi, adat, and s/pdif. I just want to plug > a mic or guitar, keyboard or drum machine into an XLR or 1/4" port, record > tracks, mix 'em down on a simple interface, export as .ogg or .mp3, and burn > a CD. > > *Balanced/Unbalanced*. I have a dog's breakfast of balanced and unbalanced > devices/cables/adaptors in my studio. I really don't want to have to get a > physical mixer (because of the expense) so I am using a patch bay. Nice and > simple. Unfortunately, after years of using this (just to choose among > listening to my tapedeck, CD player, and computer) I did a web search and > find that it is probably an unbalanced patch bay (TASCAM PATCH BAY PB-32P). > Rats. I am not a professional record produer :-) -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 10 04:14:10 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 23:14:10 -0500 Subject: Guys :) Talk about great small laptops whatya think about this one :) Message-ID: <32f6a8880802092014v4cc74240wc06b06419556b4ad@mail.gmail.com> Check the 810. Weighing at 1.5 pounds 40 gig hd and 1 gig of ram for 950 dollars :) See below: http://www.pacificnotebooks.com/index.php?brand=39 -- The man who is always a newbie at something, Dave Germiquet Everytime I learn something new, I realize I know very little. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 10 04:21:44 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 23:21:44 -0500 Subject: Guys :) Talk about great small laptops whatya think about this one :) In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880802092014v4cc74240wc06b06419556b4ad-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880802092014v4cc74240wc06b06419556b4ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880802092021k5e53fde3m84f0f2e9e9ad6904@mail.gmail.com> Here is the details on fujitsu's site http://store.shopfujitsu.com/ca/EcomCA/buildseriesbean.do?series=U810 On Feb 9, 2008 11:14 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Check the 810. > > Weighing at 1.5 pounds > 40 gig hd > and 1 gig of ram > > for 950 dollars :) > > See below: > > http://www.pacificnotebooks.com/index.php?brand=39 > > -- > > > > The man who is always a newbie at something, > Dave Germiquet > > Everytime I learn something new, > I realize I know very little. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The man who is always a newbie at something, Dave Germiquet Everytime I learn something new, I realize I know very little. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 10 05:47:32 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 21:47:32 -0800 Subject: Guys :) Talk about great small laptops whatya think about this one :) In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880802092014v4cc74240wc06b06419556b4ad-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880802092014v4cc74240wc06b06419556b4ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 9, 2008 8:14 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Check the 810. > > Weighing at 1.5 pounds > 40 gig hd > and 1 gig of ram > > for 950 dollars :) > > See below: > > http://www.pacificnotebooks.com/index.php?brand=39 You can get a $500 Dell laptop with better specs and Ubuntu installed and configured :-) http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 10 12:59:34 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:59:34 -0500 Subject: Guys :) Talk about great small laptops whatya think about this one :) In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880802092014v4cc74240wc06b06419556b4ad-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880802092014v4cc74240wc06b06419556b4ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47AEF536.5030403@rogers.com> Dave Germiquet wrote: > Check the 810. > > Weighing at 1.5 pounds > 40 gig hd > and 1 gig of ram > > for 950 dollars :) > > See below: > > http://www.pacificnotebooks.com/index.php?brand=39 > > It apparently doesn't come with a spill chucker. ;-) "Windows Visa Home 1 year Golbal Warranty" -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 10 13:17:51 2008 From: ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Amanda Yilmaz) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:17:51 -0500 Subject: Guys :) Talk about great small laptops whatya think about this one :) In-Reply-To: References: <32f6a8880802092014v4cc74240wc06b06419556b4ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1202649471.12826.1236046619@webmail.messagingengine.com> The Dell will not be 1.5 pounds. Also, the $500 appears to be for a desktop, not a laptop. The XPS M1330 on that page starts at $954 and does have better specs, but it's still 4.3 pounds with the standard battery. You'd also have to have it delivered to the States and pick it up from there. Amanda ----- Original message ----- From: "Kristian Erik Hermansen" To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 21:47:32 -0800 Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Guys :) Talk about great small laptops whatya think about this one :) On Feb 9, 2008 8:14 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Check the 810. > > Weighing at 1.5 pounds > 40 gig hd > and 1 gig of ram > > for 950 dollars :) > > See below: > > http://www.pacificnotebooks.com/index.php?brand=39 You can get a $500 Dell laptop with better specs and Ubuntu installed and configured :-) http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 10 14:21:28 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 06:21:28 -0800 Subject: Guys :) Talk about great small laptops whatya think about this one :) In-Reply-To: <1202649471.12826.1236046619-2RFepEojUI2N1INw9kWLP6GC3tUn3ZHUQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880802092014v4cc74240wc06b06419556b4ad@mail.gmail.com> <1202649471.12826.1236046619@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Feb 10, 2008 5:17 AM, Amanda Yilmaz wrote: > The Dell will not be 1.5 pounds. > > Also, the $500 appears to be for a desktop, not a laptop. The XPS M1330 > on that page starts at $954 and does have better specs, but it's still > 4.3 pounds with the standard battery. > > You'd also have to have it delivered to the States and pick it up from > there. How about an eee PC with some added memory/disk capacity? Asus Eee PC (2 lbs) @ $399: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220246 32GB Flash @ $199: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233061 1GB DDR2 (optional) @ $20: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145048 -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 04:34:43 2008 From: walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:34:43 -0500 Subject: Help getting mutt and ssmtp to use non-default "From:" address Message-ID: <72884e680802102034g4312ef01u3fa8ebfe3ff522ac@mail.gmail.com> My current remote inbox at cotse.net has problems with email from tlug. I've unsubscribed my regular waltdnes.org email address, and subscribed my Gmail address. Google allows me to POP email directly from their server, and into my mutt Maildir. So far so good. The problem is that I can't send as my_email_address-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org from my home machine. No matter what I do, the "From:" always comes out as waltdnes aht-sign waltdnes dot org, when I send a test message to my dialup account. What do I have to tweak? I've now dropped my standards, and am using web-mail (bleaghh) to send this post to the list. I hope it comes through as text, rather than cutsie HTML or RTF. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 11:38:22 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:38:22 -0500 Subject: Help getting mutt and ssmtp to use non-default "From:" address In-Reply-To: <72884e680802102034g4312ef01u3fa8ebfe3ff522ac-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <72884e680802102034g4312ef01u3fa8ebfe3ff522ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080211113822.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Sun, Feb 10, 2008 at 11:34:43PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: >My current remote inbox at cotse.net has problems with email from >tlug. I've unsubscribed my regular waltdnes.org email address, and >subscribed my Gmail address. Google allows me to POP email directly >from their server, and into my mutt Maildir. So far so good. > >The problem is that I can't send as my_email_address-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org from my >home machine. No matter what I do, the "From:" always comes out as >waltdnes aht-sign waltdnes dot org, when I send a test message to my >dialup account. What do I have to tweak? Probably, you need to put "set envelope_from" in your .muttrc. Why this is not the default I'll never know though. The other possibility is that your MTA is setting this. I have this setting in my postfix/main.cf: # appending .domain is the MUA's job. append_dot_mydomain = no Take a look at those types of things first, and then we'll dig deeper. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 14:41:55 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:41:55 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <20080202233313.GE19190-f3ydu6uS1R7I9rkgco+hXrUXFt3QzJ1Y@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47A4C068.20202@chrisaitken.net> <20080202233313.GE19190@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <20080211144155.GB1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Feb 02, 2008 at 06:33:13PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > because Lennart must be busy ;-) My wife was working on an assignment, and was using my computer to do it (running remote X sessions to university). So I wasn't checking email at all. > Chris I think you are (dare I say it) going about it in a Windoze way. > You should be able to find any of the basic stuff (like alsa) in your > listed source repositories and install what you need via apt-get (or > synaptic) Unless you know what your doing (which you will, eventually) > hunting down .debs and running dpkg, is not the best way, and will leave > your system out of sync and hard to maintian. If it's not in your source > repositories, then far better to add needed repositories to > /etc/apt/sources.list . then run "sudo apt-get update" then run "apt-get > upgrade" then run "apt-get install foo" . You may well be able to get what > you need by enabling source repositories already in your existing sources.list > file, by "uncommenting" lines (remove leading "#" in the file, oh, while > your in there, you should ADD a "#" to the beginning of the line that > references the CDrom, telling apt-get not to look for sources on the CD) Tha alsa version in ubuntu is too old for his card it seems. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 14:43:53 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:43:53 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <47A51E61.4060508-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47A4C068.20202@chrisaitken.net> <20080202233313.GE19190@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> <47A50929.8030007@chrisaitken.net> <47A51E61.4060508@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080211144353.GC1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Feb 02, 2008 at 08:52:33PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> then run "sudo apt-get update" > I guess doing all these apt-get updates with malformed lines in > /etc/apt/sources.list has screwed up a bunch of stuff in my system. Now > my terminal won't come up. I'm getting 'Could not launch application. > Failed to execute child process "gnome-terminal" (no such file or > directory)'. My entire 'Sound & Video' (or whatever it's called) menu is > gone from the 'Applications' menu!! I think this is where you guys get > scarce again. That's because a directory with packages is not a valid repository. It needs a Packages.gz to be a valid repository. It doesn't work that way. The simplest way to make everything work would actually be to simply change the system to the newer version of ubuntu, which means changing gutsy to hoardy (or whatever it is called) in /etc/apt/sources.list and then doing apt-get dist-upgrade (well after putting back the packages you removed that shouldn't have been removed). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 14:46:49 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:46:49 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <20080203021843.3272.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47A4C068.20202@chrisaitken.net> <20080202233313.GE19190@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> <47A50929.8030007@chrisaitken.net> <47A51E61.4060508@chrisaitken.net> <47A51F45.9060707@chrisaitken.net> <47A51FEB.6040103@chrisaitken.net> <20080203021843.3272.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080211144649.GD1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Feb 02, 2008 at 09:18:43PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > I can't even shutdown the computer. I did Ctrl+Alt+F3 to get a terminal or > terminal mode or whatever it's called. I can't log in as root though > because I don't know the password. I don't know the password because the > ubuntu 7.10 installer never offered the chance to create a root password > (seems insane ot me). And no, I'm not mistaken - I've installed u7.10 four > times now on two machines and each time it gives me a headache about root > password. So, how do I create a root password? Log in as yourself, then do: sudo bash passwd That will set a root password. > I should go back to fedora. I only switched because I was convinced that > boys use fedora and men use debian distros like ubuntu (or, of course, > debian). So, I switched to debian - feeling proud of the leap of faith and > was promptly informed that "ubuntu is not debian". I've had nothing but > trouble with ubuntu. You will probably have more trouble with fedora. I have no idea what their community is like for support, but you can try that if you want. > Very frustrating. I bought a semi-pro card (emu1212m) in the summer so I > could record some of my music. I have not recorded one note yet. I can't > even pay anyone to help me with this. There's no one in Timmins that can do > this stuff. > > I'm just trashing my system over and ocer and over. And I have really bad > luck with timing. People on this list are very helpful. But when they are > unavailable I have the choice to either wait or try stuff myself. For > instance, David, you gave me some great ideas to try. Your very first idea > however did not work for me. So, if I have to wait a day to hear why your > first idea didn't work and what I should do about it I've lost a day. Four > ideas would be four days. So, instead I try other things - which has > probably already now led me to the brink of another OS re-install. Well thrashing the system comes from barging ahead without waiting to see if someone can answer the question you have. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 14:50:52 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:50:52 -0500 Subject: Inexpensive RAID1 card required In-Reply-To: <47AC9EA0.2090606-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47AC9EA0.2090606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080211145052.GE1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 01:25:36PM -0500, Teddy Mills wrote: > There are a number of servers I have, that do not have RAID installed. > I cannot easily add mdadm, and create a software RAID on these various servers. (many distros etc.) > > I was wondering if there was a inexpensive Linux RAID1 card. > I dont want the RAID card to be another SPOF. > That is, if the RAID1 fails; > I can just connect either of the RAID1 drives back in to the SATA or IDE connectors on the motherboard. Hardware raid cards simply don't work that way. It would really suck if they did (since then you would loose the raid data if you moved the drives to a different card of the same type). They have to store meta data and disk IDs somewhere, so some space on the disks is needed, which means your existing data layour doesn't work for hardware raid, or software raid for that matter. > And most definitely, I do not want to "reformat" any of my servers to make a RAID1. > (This would create reliance on the RAID card, and that is what I am trying to avoid) Then you don't want hardware raid. > I would hope the Rcard would work as a RAID1 with as little modification as possible. Switching to raid does require redoing the partition table layout to do raid, and then adding the filesystem on top of the raid if using software, and who even knows how a hardware raid card decides to handle the disks. I have never seen a raid system that didn't require backing up everything and reinstalling it to get raid. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 14:17:55 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:17:55 -0500 Subject: no spellcheck in OO Message-ID: <47B05913.9010906@chrisaitken.net> I have two installations of Open Office on two different computers on which Spellcheck is not working. It's the OO 2.3 that comes loaded with Ubuntu 7.10. Any ideas why this is? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 14:31:28 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:31:28 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: <47A3F19E.4000704-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080130161009.18472.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080130162745.GC26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880801300851m6e3aeda1pf5c0a8ffbbb60dbe@mail.gmail.com> <20080130170532.GD26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131114345.29108.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080131144248.GT26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080131145538.GU26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47A3F19E.4000704@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080211143128.GA1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 11:29:18PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 09:42:48AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > >>Well one method would be to just get the .deb packages from somewhere > >>that has them such as ubuntu hardy. > >> > >>You can get the .deb's and install them with dpkg -i blah.deb ... > >> > >>You can find them here: > >>http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ > >>http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/ > >> > Okay, I found a .deb there (libasound2_1.0.15-3ubuntu3_i386.deb). I > downloaded that and ran dpkg and it told me there is an unsatisfied > dependency so I tried apt-get install that dependency and then was > advised 'You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these'. > So I that's what I'm doing. Since there's no one around I'm going to go > ahead with all this then you guys can tell me what I did wrong so I can > do another reinstall on Sunday night. Man, endlessly screwing around > with things that are way over my head is so much more satisfying than > actually bein gable to just record music on my emu1212m: > > chris at cpc:~$ sudo dpkg -i /home/chris/Desktop/libasound* > (Reading database ... 89528 files and directories currently installed.) > Preparing to replace libasound2 1.0.14-1ubuntu8 (using > .../libasound2_1.0.15-3ubuntu3_i386.deb) ... > Unpacking replacement libasound2 ... > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libasound2: > libasound2 depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1); however: > Version of libc6 on system is 2.6.1-1ubuntu10. > dpkg: error processing libasound2 (--install): > dependency problems - leaving unconfigured > Errors were encountered while processing: > libasound2 Hmm, I didn't think about that. There is a newer libc version in the new ubuntu. > chris at cpc:~$ sudo apt-get install libc6 > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > libc6 is already the newest version. > You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > libasound2: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.6.1-1ubuntu10 is to be > installed > E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or > specify a solution). > chris at cpc:~$ sudo apt-get -f install > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Correcting dependencies... Done > The following packages will be REMOVED: > alacarte alsa-utils bluez-utils bsh bug-buddy compiz compiz-gnome > contact-lookup-applet deskbar-applet ekiga eog evince > evolution evolution-data-server evolution-exchange evolution-plugins > evolution-webcal f-spot fast-user-switch-applet > file-roller firefox-gnome-support gconf-editor gdm gedit gij gij-4.2 > gnome-about gnome-applets gnome-btdownload > gnome-control-center gnome-games gnome-keyring-manager gnome-media > gnome-netstatus-applet gnome-orca gnome-panel > gnome-pilot gnome-pilot-conduits gnome-power-manager gnome-session > gnome-spell gnome-terminal gnome-user-guide > gnome-utils gnome-volume-manager gstreamer0.10-alsa gstreamer0.10-esd > gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gthumb gtkhtml3.14 > gucharmap hal-device-manager hwdb-client-gnome libasound2 > libbonoboui2-0 libdeskbar-tracker libebook1.2-9 libecal1.2-7 > libedata-book1.2-2 libedata-cal1.2-6 libedataserverui1.2-8 libeel2-2 > libesd-alsa0 libexchange-storage1.2-3 > libgail-gnome-module libgcj-bc libgcj8-1 libgconf2.0-cil libgdl-1-0 > libgdl-gnome-1-0 libgnome-desktop-2 > libgnome-window-settings1 libgnome2-0 libgnome2-perl libgnome2.0-cil > libgnomeui-0 libgtkhtml2.0-cil libgtkhtml3.14-19 > libgtkhtml3.8-15 libgucharmap6 libhsqldb-java libjaxp1.3-java > libjline-java liblpint-bonobo0 libpanel-applet2-0 > libpt-plugins-alsa libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-alsa > libservlet2.4-java libxalan2-java libxerces2-java nautilus > nautilus-cd-burner network-manager-gnome openoffice.org > openoffice.org-base openoffice.org-evolution > openoffice.org-java-common python-gnome2 python-gnome2-desktop > python-gnome2-extras rhythmbox serpentine sound-juicer > tomboy totem totem-gstreamer totem-mozilla tracker-search-tool > tsclient ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-docs ubuntu-minimal > update-notifier vino yelp > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 116 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > 1 not fully installed or removed. > Need to get 0B of archives. > After unpacking, 359MB disk space will be freed. > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? > > So, I guess I'll be entering 'Y' which is going to remove a bunch of > software from my computer for what reason I know not... No you probably don't want to do that. I think it might be necesary to recompile the alsa packages against your version of libc. Reinstalling your previous libasound2 version should fix things. Simplest way is: dpkg --force-depends --purge libasound2 apt-get install libasound2 To do that you have to get the .orig.tar.gz, .dsc and .diff.gz for each of the directories. For example: dpkg-source -x alsa-utils_1.0.15-3ubuntu1.dsc cd alsa-utils-1.0.15 dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b (if it says any build dependancies are missing, then install those and try again) When it succeeds you can install the resulting .deb's found in the parent directory. I am not sure which order you have to do the alsa packages in, but it should be pretty. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 15:19:08 2008 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:19:08 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080209180455.3544.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204185501.GN26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205013804.4671.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205141749.GQ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205213618.13546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205214458.GU26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206003035.24219.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206183908.GV26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206192731.22974.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206203541.GW26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206211004.23299.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206213200.GX26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080209180455.3544.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <47B0676C.3000101@gmail.com> ubuntu 7.1 apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager I think compiz tries for functionality, and less concerned with eye-candy. /teddy chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Lennart Sorensen writes: >> On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 04:10:03PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> This is uncharted territory so I don't know if you'll want to hazard >>> a guess. What do you think the chances are that this problem would >>> be rectified by doing the W2K/u7.10 dual-boot installation again, >>> this time with W2K on ntfs? >>> I just don't want to waste a couple of hours if there's no hope. >>> I seem to recall there was some scenario in which the bootloader >>> should be installed on the "first sector of the boot partition" >>> instead of the MBR. Maybe that's for a dual-boot of W98 and NT or >>> somesuch (and nothing to do with linux). Does that ring a bell? >> >> I used to do that back when I used to reinstall windows every 3 months >> (generally a good idea with win9x), and windows would overwrite the MBR >> every time, so having the boot loader on the first primary linux >> partition meant I could get the system booting normally again simply by >> changing the active partition in fdisk from dos to be the linux >> partition instead of the C: partition. The MBR stayed as the generic >> 'boot the partition with the bootable flag'. >> Since I no longer reinstall windows (or install in the first place) on >> my machines, I just install GRUB in the mbr and don't have any >> partitions flagged bootable. Windows does seem to insist on having a >> bootable partition so marking C: bootable might be a good idea. > > Okay, I was able to install a u7.10/W2K dual-boot on another computer, > So, now I know it can be done. Hard drive failure seems unlikely as I > am able to install either OS on the drive, just not both at the same > time. I'm wondering if it's the hard drive *model* that's a problem. I > had the same problem on two identical hard drives - they are WD 160 GB > drives. The other thing is that maybe my motherboard/BIOS doesn't like > this dual-boot scenario. > Would it be worth trying taking the hard drive, installing the > dual-boot on the computer an which the dual-boot installation works, > then remove the hard drive and re-install the hard drive (not the OS) > on the computer I want it on? Obviously some drivers and things will > change as the hard drive will now have a new computer home. Is that > even worth trying? > In the meantime I'll ask the tech at Krazy Krazy (where I bought the > hard drives) if there is anything about these hard drives that he can > think of that would cause a problem dual-booting. > I have had other dual-boot (linux/Windows) installations on the > computer I want this on, so I know the motherboard/BIOS doesn't reject > dual-boots as a rule - but this one scenario or this one hard drive > model is a problem... > Chris > >> >> Do NOT resize the windows partition while installing linux. I wouldn't >> trust it to get that right. >> -- >> Len Sorensen >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 15:19:28 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:19:28 -0500 Subject: set up studio In-Reply-To: <20080209172337.32065.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080209172337.32065.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080211151928.GF1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Feb 09, 2008 at 12:23:37PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry, in advance, for the long post. I want to record my songs but I?m > having trouble just setting up the software/hardware infrastructure (if > that term works). I thought if you knew my layout and challenges, I could > get some general advice (instead of just specific things like, ?this is a > good amp?, and ?this is a good software mixer?), so that my studio, though > not state-of-the-art, will at least be functional - so that everything > works together well. Here are my challenges: > > *E-mu 1212m pci card in linux*. I couldn?t get my emu1212m pci soundcard to > fully function under Ubuntu 7.10 (even upgrading alsa sound drivers to > 1.0.14rc didn?t give me full functionality). I even tried installing alsa > 1.0.15, but the repository file I had to edit and the commands that the > package manager advised me to run made a mess of my system (I had to > re-install). > > *E-mu 1212m pci card in W2K*. So, I finally gave in (I?d really like to > keep using linux) and tried Windows 2000 Pro. The soundcard works fine in > W2K. > *Linux/Windows dual-boot*. Since I want to do my other business work (word > processing, printing, email) on linux, I tried to do a Ubuntu 7.10/Windows > 2000 dual-boot. Linux/Windows dual-boots usually work fine as long as you > install Windows first (which I did). However, I?m getting W2K?s version of > the blue screen ?o? death. I have repeated this problem several times now, > so it wasn?t a fluke. I?d like to have a dual-boot scenario, at least until > I find that there is a stable version of a linux distro that will fully run > the emu1212m. Another reason I want a dual-boot is that I can save files > between Windows and linux, easily. This would be good, for instance, if I > created .aup (Audacity project) files in Windows, then (when stable emu > 1212 support is available in linux) move them over to linux and run them in > Audacity on that OS. > > *Cubasis VST OEM, and Audacity*. Although Cubasis VST OEM (the > recorder/mixer that came with the emu1212 m) seems to be giving me full > functionality (of the emu 1212m), I was hoping to also have Audacity on the > same system (so I can use both apps ? I?m somewhat familiar with the > Audacity interface and I know it will give me .ogg and unlimited .mp3 > functionality (both of which Cubasis does not offer ?out-of-the-box)). > Audacity does not seem to be fully functional for me under W2K (for > instance, the mixer toolbar input selector drop-down menu is not even > present). I have no idea about win2k. It is after all obsolete and no longer supported. I know audacity runs on windows, although I don't know which versions (XP for sure). > *Mic Pre-amp?* Yesterday, for the first time, I got the emu1212m to record! > I was thrilled. It was just a phrase of singing. However, the singing > sounded muddy. I have not done any EQ (which I don?t know how to do yet) > but it was really muddy. I?m wondering if the problem is that I have > inadequate microphone pre-amplification. I saw in the emu1212m manual that > the balanced 1/4? lines IN are ?line level?. So, I plugged my mic into the > only pre-amp I have (it?s just a little Realistic Stereo Pre-amplifier > Model No. 42-2109). It?s a phono (record player) pre-amp; only about the > size of two packages of cigarettes. Should it be obvious to me that this > thing is just not clean enough or powerful enough (or both) to use as a > pre-amplifier in a semi-pro recording studio? I don?t mind buying a mic > pre-amp (which, I hope, would double as a guitar/bass pre-amp) but I don?t > buy anything until I hit a wall and am sure of why I need to buy something. > At one point I was looking at the ?Presonus Firebox 6X10 24-bit/96K > FireWire Recording System?. However, that was before I bought the emu1212m > pci soundcard, so the Presonus may do the job but it may also be more than > what I now need. > *Analogue guy*. By the way, I am (for now) an analogue /non-midi guy. I > don?t care (yet) about firewire, midi, adat, and s/pdif. I just want to > plug a mic or guitar, keyboard or drum machine into an XLR or 1/4? port, > record tracks, mix ?em down on a simple interface, export as .ogg or .mp3, > and burn a CD. record player preamps are NOT for microphones. They are for record players only and nothing else as far as I know. For a microphone you want a microphone amp. > *Balanced/Unbalanced*. I have a dog?s breakfast of balanced and unbalanced > devices/cables/adaptors in my studio. I really don?t want to have to get a > physical mixer (because of the expense) so I am using a patch bay. Nice and > simple. Unfortunately, after years of using this (just to choose among > listening to my tapedeck, CD player, and computer) I did a web search and > find that it is probably an unbalanced patch bay (TASCAM PATCH BAY PB-32P). > Rats. Yeah it is described as 32 mono jacks, so unbalanced only. The balanced PB-32B would have "stereo" jacks. The balanced model can run either (just like the emu1212m). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 15:23:24 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:23:24 -0500 Subject: Guys :) Talk about great small laptops whatya think about this one :) In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880802092014v4cc74240wc06b06419556b4ad-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880802092014v4cc74240wc06b06419556b4ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080211152324.GG1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Feb 09, 2008 at 11:14:10PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Check the 810. > > Weighing at 1.5 pounds > 40 gig hd > and 1 gig of ram > > for 950 dollars :) > > See below: > > http://www.pacificnotebooks.com/index.php?brand=39 Hmm, makes the EEE seem like a bargain doesn't it. It does have a slightly nicer screen (although smaller) than the EEE, but at twice the cost? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 15:23:52 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:23:52 -0500 Subject: Guys :) Talk about great small laptops whatya think about this one :) In-Reply-To: References: <32f6a8880802092014v4cc74240wc06b06419556b4ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080211152352.GH1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Feb 09, 2008 at 09:47:32PM -0800, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > You can get a $500 Dell laptop with better specs and Ubuntu installed > and configured :-) > http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs Sure, but the Dell is a lot larger, and it's a Dell. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 15:26:05 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:26:05 -0500 Subject: Help getting mutt and ssmtp to use non-default "From:" address In-Reply-To: <72884e680802102034g4312ef01u3fa8ebfe3ff522ac-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <72884e680802102034g4312ef01u3fa8ebfe3ff522ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080211152605.GI1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 10, 2008 at 11:34:43PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > My current remote inbox at cotse.net has problems with email from > tlug. I've unsubscribed my regular waltdnes.org email address, and > subscribed my Gmail address. Google allows me to POP email directly > from their server, and into my mutt Maildir. So far so good. > > The problem is that I can't send as my_email_address-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org from my > home machine. No matter what I do, the "From:" always comes out as > waltdnes aht-sign waltdnes dot org, when I send a test message to my > dialup account. What do I have to tweak? > > I've now dropped my standards, and am using web-mail (bleaghh) to send > this post to the list. I hope it comes through as text, rather than > cutsie HTML or RTF. I think all decent mail servers (of which ssmtp is obviously not one), have simple ways to do what you want. exim4 certainly has no problem working with mutt and setting the outbound domain to whatever I want. ssmtp is really not very useful unless all you are doing is sending cron job messages to a single account somewhere else. It really isn't meant to handle normal mail. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 15:11:53 2008 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:11:53 -0500 Subject: Inexpensive RAID1 card required In-Reply-To: <20080211145052.GE1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47AC9EA0.2090606@gmail.com> <20080211145052.GE1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080211151153.9B591854FB@sarg.ryerson.ca> Len Sorensen wrote: > Switching to raid does require redoing the partition table layout to > do raid, and then adding the filesystem on top of the raid if using > software, and who even knows how a hardware raid card decides to > handle the disks. I have never seen a raid system that didn't require > backing up everything and reinstalling it to get raid. It's a tiny bit tricky, but what you can do is: 1) create a degraded RAID1 with a single drive of sufficient capacity 2) dd your current partition to the RAID partition 3) resize2fs the new filesystem on the RAID 4) add a partition to the RAID1 and it will start duplicating the data (note: you want the RAID partitions on separate IDE/ATA cables or it will go *slowly*) All of the above can be a lot faster than backup/restore. YMMV. The software RAID information is at the end of the partition, I believe, so in theory you might be able to resize your existing partition down a few blocks, put the RAID information in place, get the RAID drive recognized, and then resize the partition back to the (now slightly smaller) size, but the few attempts I've made to do this haven't worked. ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 15:39:05 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:39:05 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080209180455.3544.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080205141749.GQ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205213618.13546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205214458.GU26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206003035.24219.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206183908.GV26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206192731.22974.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206203541.GW26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206211004.23299.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206213200.GX26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080209180455.3544.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20080211153904.GJ1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Feb 09, 2008 at 01:04:55PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Okay, I was able to install a u7.10/W2K dual-boot on another computer, So, > now I know it can be done. Hard drive failure seems unlikely as I am able > to install either OS on the drive, just not both at the same time. I'm > wondering if it's the hard drive *model* that's a problem. I had the same > problem on two identical hard drives - they are WD 160 GB drives. The other > thing is that maybe my motherboard/BIOS doesn't like this dual-boot > scenario. Or you have a faulty CPU, ram, power supply, or whatever else can cause odd problems. Or maybe there is a buggy driver. > Would it be worth trying taking the hard drive, installing the dual-boot on > the computer an which the dual-boot installation works, then remove the > hard drive and re-install the hard drive (not the OS) on the computer I > want it on? Obviously some drivers and things will change as the hard drive > will now have a new computer home. Is that even worth trying? Windows doesn't like being moved between machines since it will probably be missing a bunch of drivers. > In the meantime I'll ask the tech at Krazy Krazy (where I bought the hard > drives) if there is anything about these hard drives that he can think of > that would cause a problem dual-booting. I certainly can't think the harddrives have anything to do with it. > I have had other dual-boot (linux/Windows) installations on the computer I > want this on, so I know the motherboard/BIOS doesn't reject dual-boots as a > rule - but this one scenario or this one hard drive model is a problem... It sounds like a software problem or possibly defective other part (of which the harddisk is not one I would suspect). I still wouldn't use FAT32 for the windows install. I would make it NTFS, and then make a seperate data partition using FAT32 for sharing data. At least that way any corruption of the FAT32 partition won't affect booting windows, at worst you have to copy back the data you were trying to share. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 15:42:48 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:42:48 -0500 Subject: Inexpensive RAID1 card required In-Reply-To: <20080211151153.9B591854FB-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <47AC9EA0.2090606@gmail.com> <20080211145052.GE1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080211151153.9B591854FB@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20080211154248.GK1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 10:11:53AM -0500, Dave Mason wrote: > Len Sorensen wrote: > > Switching to raid does require redoing the partition table layout to > > do raid, and then adding the filesystem on top of the raid if using > > software, and who even knows how a hardware raid card decides to > > handle the disks. I have never seen a raid system that didn't require > > backing up everything and reinstalling it to get raid. > > It's a tiny bit tricky, but what you can do is: > > 1) create a degraded RAID1 with a single drive of sufficient capacity That would mean going to new larger disks. > 2) dd your current partition to the RAID partition It won't fit since the raid partition will be slightly smaller unless you are switching to larger disks, which for most people is not the case. I have done it by creating the filesystem and using cp -ax to transfer the files to the new filesystem, which of course does work. > 3) resize2fs the new filesystem on the RAID And using cp avoids resizing. > 4) add a partition to the RAID1 and it will start duplicating the data > > (note: you want the RAID partitions on separate IDE/ATA cables or it > will go *slowly*) It will also be unreliable since a failed IDE/ATA disks usually takes down the whole bus in which case you loose access to the raid. So never mind slow, it is simply a bad idea. > All of the above can be a lot faster than backup/restore. YMMV. Of course you are nuts if you didn't do a backup first anyhow (not that I always do, but then again that doesn't mean I wasn't nuts doing it). > The software RAID information is at the end of the partition, I believe, > so in theory you might be able to resize your existing partition down a > few blocks, put the RAID information in place, get the RAID drive > recognized, and then resize the partition back to the (now slightly > smaller) size, but the few attempts I've made to do this haven't worked. The software raid information location varies by raid version. It has been in various places over the years. There are advantages and disadvantages to each location. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 16:24:31 2008 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:24:31 -0500 Subject: no spell check in OO Message-ID: <47B076BF.5020707@rogers.com> Spell checking in OO only works if you have specified the British or US English dictionaries. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 16:26:56 2008 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:26:56 -0500 Subject: Inexpensive RAID1 card required In-Reply-To: <20080211154248.GK1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47AC9EA0.2090606@gmail.com> <20080211145052.GE1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080211151153.9B591854FB@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20080211154248.GK1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080211162656.2FA76854FB@sarg.ryerson.ca> lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) wrote: >> 1) create a degraded RAID1 with a single drive of sufficient capacity I didn't mention that, if you happen to have a new partition that is just the size of the original non-RAID partition, you can resize2fs down a meg or so first, then change the partition table to reflect the shrunken file system (you reboot and do a fsck at this point to verify that the new partition size is still big enough for the file system). > That would mean going to new larger disks. Well, if you're installing RAID1 I would expect you to have at least 1 new disk, but as I added above, you don't actually need to have a larger partition. >> 2) dd your current partition to the RAID partition > It won't fit since the raid partition will be slightly smaller unless > you are switching to larger disks, which for most people is not the > case. See above. >> 3) resize2fs the new filesystem on the RAID > And using cp avoids resizing. Why would you want to do that? :-) *MUCH* slower. cp is somewhat less susceptible to typos killing your data, but you actually only need to be normally careful (as you do any time you're messing with partition sizes), and in a few minutes you can be in a state where you *have* a backup on the new RAID partition before you do anything to the old partition. As I mention above, there are no steps that can't be undone before any data is over-written and there are safety tests you can run along the way. >> All of the above can be a lot faster than backup/restore. YMMV. > Of course you are nuts if you didn't do a backup first anyhow (not > that I always do, but then again that doesn't mean I wasn't nuts doing > it). Of course! > The software raid information location varies by raid version. It has > been in various places over the years. There are advantages and > disadvantages to each location. It would be awfully nice (in the years when it's at the end of the partition :-) for someone to write a utility RAID1-my-e2fs that would write the RAID1 header at the end of the partition (or if there wasn't enough space told you how much you needed to resize2fs your system so a RAID1 header would fit). Then it would be trivial (and pretty safe) to turn an existing file system into a degraded RAID1 in a few minutes, then simply add a partition and you'd have a full RAID1 (in about 30 minutes for a few hundred gig file system). ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 16:30:45 2008 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:30:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: outline mode in OO? Message-ID: since someone was making an observation about spell checking in OO, does anyone know if the OO folks have any plans for having a word-like outline mode for OO? i've been whining about that for a while now: http://serendipity.ruwenzori.net/index.php/2006/11/05/openoffice-outline-mode as you can read there, apparently outline mode is not as easy as it sounds at first but, for me, that's a deal-breaker -- without that, i can't use OO to write books or manuals; when i write documents that long, i just live in outline mode, and it's a shame that no one thought about its value way back when basic design decisions were being made. bummer. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have Classroom, Will Lecture Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Home page: http://crashcourse.ca Fedora Cookbook: http://crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/Fedora_Cookbook ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 16:48:46 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:48:46 -0500 Subject: no spellcheck in OO In-Reply-To: <47B05913.9010906-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B05913.9010906@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080211114846.07b5cefb@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Chris Aitken wrote: > I have two installations of Open Office on two different computers on > which Spellcheck is not working. It's the OO 2.3 that comes loaded with > Ubuntu 7.10. Any ideas why this is? You probably need to install the aspell library. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "Wait a second, aren't you a member of the yacht club?" -Bender "My God, you're right. I'm a class 3 yacht." -Countess de la Roca -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 17:45:49 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:45:49 -0500 Subject: Guys :) Talk about great small laptops whatya think about this one :) In-Reply-To: <20080211152324.GG1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880802092014v4cc74240wc06b06419556b4ad@mail.gmail.com> <20080211152324.GG1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <32f6a8880802110945u6347933ch16b5a58620f8ee92@mail.gmail.com> Hey Guys, Well, I thought it was lighter than the eee (1.5) pounds. and the battery lasts longer (5.5 hours)\. The other advantage is that it has bluetooth. Even though the 40 gig drive isn't a big deal cuz you can buy 32 gig usb stick or what n ot. On Feb 11, 2008 10:23 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Feb 09, 2008 at 11:14:10PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > Check the 810. > > > > Weighing at 1.5 pounds > > 40 gig hd > > and 1 gig of ram > > > > for 950 dollars :) > > > > See below: > > > > http://www.pacificnotebooks.com/index.php?brand=39 > > Hmm, makes the EEE seem like a bargain doesn't it. It does have a > slightly nicer screen (although smaller) than the EEE, but at twice the > cost? > > -- > Len Sorensen > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The man who is always a newbie at something, Dave Germiquet Everytime I learn something new, I realize I know very little. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 18:29:10 2008 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:29:10 -0500 Subject: no spellcheck in OO In-Reply-To: <47B05913.9010906-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B05913.9010906@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <200802111329.10499.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 11, 2008 09:17:55 am Chris Aitken wrote: > I have two installations of Open Office on two different computers on > which Spellcheck is not working. It's the OO 2.3 that comes loaded with > Ubuntu 7.10. Any ideas why this is? > I went through this yesterday. The solution that I found worked is as follows: 1: Install aspell 2: Start up OOWriter using sudo ( Will not work as a regular user - even if installing in the users home directory ) 3: GoTo File -> Wizards -> Install New Dictionaires 4: Right click on English, and select "Open Link" 5: Complete the wizard, selecting the Canadian Spelling, Thesaurus, and Hyphenation dictionaries 6: Wait. The servers are slow. It will complete eventually. If you have it, start iptraf to watch the network traffic 7: Exit OOWriter, the n start as the regular user, and the dictionary will function. -- Jason Shein Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 647 ) - 505 - 5002 http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 19:48:47 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:48:47 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <47B0676C.3000101-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204185501.GN26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205013804.4671.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205141749.GQ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205213618.13546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205214458.GU26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206003035.24219.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206183908.GV26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206192731.22974.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206203541.GW26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206211004.23299.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206213200.GX26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080209180455.3544.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <47B0676C.3000101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080211194847.14519.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Teddy Mills writes: > > ubuntu 7.1 > apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager > > I think compiz tries for functionality, and less concerned with eye-candy. Wat is it? A boot loader? I tried installing it: chris at bpc:~$ compiz Checking for Xgl: not present. No whitelisted driver found aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity Chris > > /teddy > > > > > > > > chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> Lennart Sorensen writes: >>> On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 04:10:03PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>>> This is uncharted territory so I don't know if you'll want to hazard >>>> a guess. What do you think the chances are that this problem would >>>> be rectified by doing the W2K/u7.10 dual-boot installation again, >>>> this time with W2K on ntfs? >>>> I just don't want to waste a couple of hours if there's no hope. >>>> I seem to recall there was some scenario in which the bootloader >>>> should be installed on the "first sector of the boot partition" >>>> instead of the MBR. Maybe that's for a dual-boot of W98 and NT or >>>> somesuch (and nothing to do with linux). Does that ring a bell? >>> >>> I used to do that back when I used to reinstall windows every 3 months >>> (generally a good idea with win9x), and windows would overwrite the MBR >>> every time, so having the boot loader on the first primary linux >>> partition meant I could get the system booting normally again simply by >>> changing the active partition in fdisk from dos to be the linux >>> partition instead of the C: partition. The MBR stayed as the generic >>> 'boot the partition with the bootable flag'. >>> Since I no longer reinstall windows (or install in the first place) on >>> my machines, I just install GRUB in the mbr and don't have any >>> partitions flagged bootable. Windows does seem to insist on having a >>> bootable partition so marking C: bootable might be a good idea. >> >> Okay, I was able to install a u7.10/W2K dual-boot on another computer, >> So, now I know it can be done. Hard drive failure seems unlikely as I >> am able to install either OS on the drive, just not both at the same >> time. I'm wondering if it's the hard drive *model* that's a problem. I >> had the same problem on two identical hard drives - they are WD 160 GB >> drives. The other thing is that maybe my motherboard/BIOS doesn't like >> this dual-boot scenario. >> Would it be worth trying taking the hard drive, installing the >> dual-boot on the computer an which the dual-boot installation works, >> then remove the hard drive and re-install the hard drive (not the OS) >> on the computer I want it on? Obviously some drivers and things will >> change as the hard drive will now have a new computer home. Is that >> even worth trying? >> In the meantime I'll ask the tech at Krazy Krazy (where I bought the >> hard drives) if there is anything about these hard drives that he can >> think of that would cause a problem dual-booting. >> I have had other dual-boot (linux/Windows) installations on the >> computer I want this on, so I know the motherboard/BIOS doesn't reject >> dual-boots as a rule - but this one scenario or this one hard drive >> model is a problem... >> Chris >> >>> >>> Do NOT resize the windows partition while installing linux. I wouldn't >>> trust it to get that right. >>> -- >>> Len Sorensen >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 19:56:38 2008 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:56:38 -0500 Subject: w2k/u7.10 dual-boot In-Reply-To: <20080211194847.14519.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080204185501.GN26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205013804.4671.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205141749.GQ26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080205213618.13546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080205214458.GU26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206003035.24219.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206183908.GV26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206192731.22974.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206203541.GW26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080206211004.23299.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080206213200.GX26258@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080209180455.3544.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <47B0676C.3000101@gmail.com> <20080211194847.14519.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <47B0A876.7040300@gmail.com> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiz chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Teddy Mills writes: >> >> ubuntu 7.1 >> apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager >> I think compiz tries for functionality, and less concerned with >> eye-candy. > > Wat is it? A boot loader? I tried installing it: > chris at bpc:~$ compiz > Checking for Xgl: not present. > No whitelisted driver found > aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity > Chris > >> >> /teddy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> Lennart Sorensen writes: >>>> On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 04:10:03PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>>>> This is uncharted territory so I don't know if you'll want to hazard >>>>> a guess. What do you think the chances are that this problem would >>>>> be rectified by doing the W2K/u7.10 dual-boot installation again, >>>>> this time with W2K on ntfs? I just don't want to waste a couple of >>>>> hours if there's no hope. I seem to recall there was some scenario >>>>> in which the bootloader >>>>> should be installed on the "first sector of the boot partition" >>>>> instead of the MBR. Maybe that's for a dual-boot of W98 and NT or >>>>> somesuch (and nothing to do with linux). Does that ring a bell? >>>> >>>> I used to do that back when I used to reinstall windows every 3 months >>>> (generally a good idea with win9x), and windows would overwrite the >>>> MBR >>>> every time, so having the boot loader on the first primary linux >>>> partition meant I could get the system booting normally again >>>> simply by >>>> changing the active partition in fdisk from dos to be the linux >>>> partition instead of the C: partition. The MBR stayed as the generic >>>> 'boot the partition with the bootable flag'. >>>> Since I no longer reinstall windows (or install in the first place) on >>>> my machines, I just install GRUB in the mbr and don't have any >>>> partitions flagged bootable. Windows does seem to insist on having a >>>> bootable partition so marking C: bootable might be a good idea. >>> >>> Okay, I was able to install a u7.10/W2K dual-boot on another computer, >>> So, now I know it can be done. Hard drive failure seems unlikely as I >>> am able to install either OS on the drive, just not both at the same >>> time. I'm wondering if it's the hard drive *model* that's a problem. I >>> had the same problem on two identical hard drives - they are WD 160 GB >>> drives. The other thing is that maybe my motherboard/BIOS doesn't like >>> this dual-boot scenario. >>> Would it be worth trying taking the hard drive, installing the >>> dual-boot on the computer an which the dual-boot installation works, >>> then remove the hard drive and re-install the hard drive (not the OS) >>> on the computer I want it on? Obviously some drivers and things will >>> change as the hard drive will now have a new computer home. Is that >>> even worth trying? >>> In the meantime I'll ask the tech at Krazy Krazy (where I bought the >>> hard drives) if there is anything about these hard drives that he can >>> think of that would cause a problem dual-booting. >>> I have had other dual-boot (linux/Windows) installations on the >>> computer I want this on, so I know the motherboard/BIOS doesn't reject >>> dual-boots as a rule - but this one scenario or this one hard drive >>> model is a problem... >>> Chris >>>> >>>> Do NOT resize the windows partition while installing linux. I >>>> wouldn't >>>> trust it to get that right. >>>> -- >>>> Len Sorensen >>>> -- >>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 20:43:56 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:43:56 -0500 Subject: Guys :) Talk about great small laptops whatya think about this one :) In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880802110945u6347933ch16b5a58620f8ee92-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880802092014v4cc74240wc06b06419556b4ad@mail.gmail.com> <20080211152324.GG1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880802110945u6347933ch16b5a58620f8ee92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080211204356.GL1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 12:45:49PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Well, I thought it was lighter than the eee (1.5) pounds. and the > battery lasts longer (5.5 hours)\. > > The other advantage is that it has bluetooth. Even though the 40 gig > drive isn't a big deal cuz you can buy 32 gig usb stick or what n ot. What is bluetooth actually used for? I guess some cell phones might support it, but does anything else? Adding a bluetooh usb adapter wouldn't be a big deal (someone added lots of internal usb devices to their EEE already so bluetooh couldn't be that hard.) Now does it run linux or is it only able to work with the vista they inflict on you by default? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 20:52:19 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:52:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: DemoCamp 17. Message-ID: <525509.46524.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just to quickly note, DemoCamp 17 is coming up Feb 25th. The program centers around a series of short technology demos (lots of Web 2.0 type stuff). Good fun, with details to be seen here: http://democamp-emailinvite.eventbrite.com You must register in advance. There are a mix of free and non-free tickets. As of this writing there were a modest number of free tickets still available. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 20:52:40 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:52:40 +0000 Subject: Guys :) Talk about great small laptops whatya think about this one :) In-Reply-To: <20080211204356.GL1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880802092014v4cc74240wc06b06419556b4ad@mail.gmail.com> <20080211152324.GG1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880802110945u6347933ch16b5a58620f8ee92@mail.gmail.com> <20080211204356.GL1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Feb 11, 2008 8:43 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 12:45:49PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > Well, I thought it was lighter than the eee (1.5) pounds. and the > > battery lasts longer (5.5 hours)\. > > > > The other advantage is that it has bluetooth. Even though the 40 gig > > drive isn't a big deal cuz you can buy 32 gig usb stick or what n ot. > > What is bluetooth actually used for? I guess some cell phones might > support it, but does anything else? I use bluetooth to connect keyboards to PDAs. That shouldn't be necessary with a laptop. Presumably there are also bluetooth mice. The other main use tends to be to give a laptop access to an Internet link being provided by a cell phone. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 11 21:51:38 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:51:38 -0500 Subject: Guys :) Talk about great small laptops whatya think about this one :) In-Reply-To: References: <32f6a8880802092014v4cc74240wc06b06419556b4ad@mail.gmail.com> <20080211152324.GG1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880802110945u6347933ch16b5a58620f8ee92@mail.gmail.com> <20080211204356.GL1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080211215138.GM1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 08:52:40PM +0000, Christopher Browne wrote: > I use bluetooth to connect keyboards to PDAs. That shouldn't be > necessary with a laptop. Presumably there are also bluetooth mice. There was. They seem to have mostly disappeared again. I forget what the reason was but I think it was pretty unreliable. > The other main use tends to be to give a laptop access to an Internet > link being provided by a cell phone. Sounds expensive. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 12 02:30:12 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:30:12 +0300 Subject: Wireless nightmare - ipw2200 Message-ID: Hi pals, I have a laptop that I have been using for a long time - 2 years - a Toshiba satellite Pro. I haven't had a reason to complain until now. I have been using an ethernet cable all along, but I am in a situation where I seriously need wireless connection. This have proved to be not that easy. The card the laptop have is ipw2200 from Intel. I have the necessary driver and firmware, according to the numerous web pages I have come across. The OS even does see it, but it wouldn't work. I have searched the net for a couple of days, but don't have a solution yet. Here is what I have: dmesg info: [root at kerberos kihara]# dmesg | grep ipw ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.2.0kmprq ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2006 Intel Corporation ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection ipw2200: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On: ipw2200: Detected geography ZZM (11 802.11bg channels, 0 802.11a channels) iwconfig radio off ESSID:off/any Mode:Managed Channel:0 Access Point: Not-Associated Bit Rate:0 kb/s Tx-Power=off Sensitivity=8/0 Retry limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Encryption key:off Power Management:off Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 [root at kerberos kihara]# dmesg | grep eth1 eth1: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xf8a86000, 00:0f:b0:9a:5c:47, IRQ 23 eth1: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8100B/8139D' The issue seem to be this line 'ipw2200: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On:' I am at a loss how to fix it. I have looked at the bios and they don't have anything that could help. I have a feeling re-installing might not help also. See, I have tried using live ubuntu and hit the same snag, the kill switch. What am I missing? Would there be someone here who have came across this problem and has a fix? I would be very grateful for any help. Thanks William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 12 02:40:09 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:40:09 -0500 Subject: Wireless nightmare - ipw2200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47B10709.7060007@utoronto.ca> Kihara Muriithi wrote: > Hi pals, > > I have a laptop that I have been using for a long time - 2 years - a > Toshiba satellite Pro. I haven't had a reason to complain until now. I > have been using an ethernet cable all along, but I am in a situation > where I seriously need wireless connection. This have proved to be not > that easy. > > The card the laptop have is ipw2200 from Intel. I have the necessary > driver and firmware, according to the numerous web pages I have come > across. The OS even does see it, but it wouldn't work. I have searched > the net for a couple of days, but don't have a solution yet. Here is > what I have: I've had it running just fine with Fedora 8 as I mentioned, Debian, Kubuntu, FreeBSD even. > dmesg info: > [root at kerberos kihara]# dmesg | grep ipw > ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.2.0kmprq > ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2006 Intel Corporation > ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection > ipw2200: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On: > ipw2200: Detected geography ZZM (11 802.11bg channels, 0 802.11a channels) > > iwconfig > radio off ESSID:off/any > Mode:Managed Channel:0 Access Point: Not-Associated > Bit Rate:0 kb/s Tx-Power=off Sensitivity=8/0 > Retry limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off > Encryption key:off > Power Management:off > Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 > Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 > Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 > > [root at kerberos kihara]# dmesg | grep eth1 > eth1: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xf8a86000, 00:0f:b0:9a:5c:47, IRQ 23 > eth1: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8100B/8139D' eth1 must not be your wireless device as the ipw220 chipset is just that, the ipw2200 chipset and not realtek (which looks like your ethernet). What does eth0 show up as? > The issue seem to be this line 'ipw2200: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On:' > I am at a loss how to fix it. I have looked at the bios and they don't > have anything that could help. I have a feeling re-installing might > not help also. See, I have tried using live ubuntu and hit the same > snag, the kill switch. What am I missing? Would there be someone here > who have came across this problem and has a fix? I would be very > grateful for any help. Do you have version 3.0 of the firmware in /lib/firmware? http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=7 If you've upgraded from Fedora 5 or 6, it may be that the firmware is out of date and you need the newest version 3.0. Regards, Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 12 02:56:46 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:56:46 +0300 Subject: Wireless nightmare - ipw2200 In-Reply-To: <47B10709.7060007-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B10709.7060007@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Jamon Thanks for quick response! > > [root at kerberos kihara]# dmesg | grep eth1 > > eth1: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xf8a86000, 00:0f:b0:9a:5c:47, IRQ 23 > > eth1: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8100B/8139D' > > eth1 must not be your wireless device as the ipw220 chipset is just > that, the ipw2200 chipset and not realtek (which looks like your ethernet). > > What does eth0 show up as? [root at kerberos kihara]# dmesg | grep eth0 eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 eth0: no IPv6 routers present eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 eth0: no IPv6 routers present I agree, the dmesg output for eth1 don't make sense. I have run that command again and generated the same result, and yes, thats my eth0. Now, where could that interference be coming from? > > The issue seem to be this line 'ipw2200: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On:' > > I am at a loss how to fix it. I have looked at the bios and they don't > > have anything that could help. I have a feeling re-installing might > > not help also. See, I have tried using live ubuntu and hit the same > > snag, the kill switch. What am I missing? Would there be someone here > > who have came across this problem and has a fix? I would be very > > grateful for any help. > > Do you have version 3.0 of the firmware in /lib/firmware? > http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=7 If you've upgraded > from Fedora 5 or 6, it may be that the firmware is out of date and you > need the newest version 3.0. [root at kerberos kihara]# rpm -qa | grep ipw2200 ipw2200-firmware-3.0-9 Though I have been upgrading, the firmware was a recent installation. Remember before just recently, I never cared about wireless. > Regards, > Jamon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 12 04:07:01 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:07:01 -0800 Subject: Wireless nightmare - ipw2200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 11, 2008 6:30 PM, Kihara Muriithi wrote: > The issue seem to be this line 'ipw2200: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On:' > I am at a loss how to fix it. I have looked at the bios and they don't > have anything that could help. I have a feeling re-installing might > not help also. See, I have tried using live ubuntu and hit the same > snag, the kill switch. What am I missing? Would there be someone here > who have came across this problem and has a fix? I would be very > grateful for any help. You might need rfswitch... http://rfswitch.sourceforge.net/ -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 12 04:23:12 2008 From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:23:12 +0000 Subject: Guys :) Talk about great small laptops whatya think about this one :) In-Reply-To: <20080211215138.GM1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880802092014v4cc74240wc06b06419556b4ad@mail.gmail.com> <20080211152324.GG1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880802110945u6347933ch16b5a58620f8ee92@mail.gmail.com> <20080211204356.GL1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080211215138.GM1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1202790192.27464.36.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> On Mon, 2008-02-11 at 16:51 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 08:52:40PM +0000, Christopher Browne wrote: > > I use bluetooth to connect keyboards to PDAs. That shouldn't be > > necessary with a laptop. Presumably there are also bluetooth mice. > > There was. They seem to have mostly disappeared again. I forget what > the reason was but I think it was pretty unreliable. > > > The other main use tends to be to give a laptop access to an Internet > > link being provided by a cell phone. > > Sounds expensive. :) It basically just turns your cell phone into an EV-DO modem... which isn't too bad (particularly if you have a corporate data plan :-) :-) ) I've also used Bluetooth to poke at the cell phone's filesystem itself, etc. - basically works the same as if you connected a USB cable, but damned if I can ever find that thing. - Julian -- [ Julian C. Dunn * "You can throw confetti, ] [ WWW: www.aquezada.com/staff/julian * but you're still going ] [ PGP: 91B3 7A9D 683C 7C16 715F * through the motions, baby" ] [ 442C 6065 D533 FDC2 05B9 * - Aimee Mann ] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 12 05:13:58 2008 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:13:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Could not connect to ca.archive.ubuntu.com? Message-ID: Just wondering if anyone else started getting this error when they run apt-get update on ubuntu: Err http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy Release.gpg Could not connect to ca.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (129.97.134.71), connection timed out It pretty blocks me from updating my system Should I comment out the corresponding line from the source list file or has the URL changed? Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 12 06:30:01 2008 From: tlug-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slackrat) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:30:01 +0100 Subject: Wireless nightmare - ipw2200 In-Reply-To: (Kihara Muriithi's message of "Tue\, 12 Feb 2008 05\:30\:12 +0300") References: Message-ID: <87skzyadqu.fsf@azurservers.com> "Kihara Muriithi" a ?crit profondement: | Hi pals, | | I have a laptop that I have been using for a long time - 2 years - a | Toshiba satellite Pro. I haven't had a reason to complain until now. I | have been using an ethernet cable all along, but I am in a situation | where I seriously need wireless connection. This have proved to be not | that easy. | | The card the laptop have is ipw2200 from Intel. I have the necessary | driver and firmware, according to the numerous web pages I have come | across. The OS even does see it, but it wouldn't work. I have searched | the net for a couple of days, but don't have a solution yet. Here is | what I have: | | dmesg info: | [root at kerberos kihara]# dmesg | grep ipw | ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.2.0kmprq | ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2006 Intel Corporation | ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection | ipw2200: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On: | ipw2200: Detected geography ZZM (11 802.11bg channels, 0 802.11a channels) | | iwconfig | radio off ESSID:off/any | Mode:Managed Channel:0 Access Point: Not-Associated | Bit Rate:0 kb/s Tx-Power=off Sensitivity=8/0 | Retry limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off | Encryption key:off | Power Management:off | Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 | Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 | Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 | | [root at kerberos kihara]# dmesg | grep eth1 My wifi runs on ath0 My cable to the modem/router runs on ath0 I use madwifi and turn the wifi switch on front of my Toshiba laptop 'on' in rc.local I have # Set up ath0 /sbin/iwconfig ath0 channel 11 /sbin/iwconfig ath0 essid "freebox" /sbin/iwconfig ath0 ap any /sbin/iwconfig ath0 rate auto /sbin/iwconfig ath0 rts 40 /sbin/iwconfig ath0 key 0D13-EF97-1D /sbin/iwconfig ath0 frag 512 in rc.inet1.conf # Config information for eth0: IPADDR[1]="192.168.0.1" NETMASK[1]="255.255.255.0" USE_DHCP[1]="" DHCP_HOSTNAME[1]="" # Config information for ath0: IFNAME[0]="ath0" IPADDR[0]="192.168.0.1" NETMASK[0]="255.255.255.0" USE_DHCP[0]="" DHCP_HOSTNAME[0]="" -- SlackRat - 4Q to Reply -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 12 14:11:12 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:11:12 -0500 Subject: Could not connect to ca.archive.ubuntu.com? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080212141111.GN1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 12:13:58AM -0500, Alex Maynard wrote: > > Just wondering if anyone else started getting this error when they > run apt-get update on ubuntu: > > Err http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy Release.gpg > Could not connect to ca.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (129.97.134.71), > connection timed out > > It pretty blocks me from updating my system > > Should I comment out the corresponding line from the source list file or > has the URL changed? Yeah I had trouble reaching that too yesterday. changing ca to us worked though. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 12 14:35:47 2008 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:35:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Could not connect to ca.archive.ubuntu.com? In-Reply-To: <20080212141111.GN1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080212141111.GN1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 12:13:58AM -0500, Alex Maynard wrote: >> >> Just wondering if anyone else started getting this error when they >> run apt-get update on ubuntu: >> >> Err http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy Release.gpg >> Could not connect to ca.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (129.97.134.71), >> connection timed out > > Yeah I had trouble reaching that too yesterday. changing ca to us > worked though. > Thanks very much. It seemed to work again this morning. If it happens again I'll make the change you suggested. > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 12 14:33:20 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:33:20 -0500 Subject: Wireless nightmare - ipw2200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080212143320.GO1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 05:30:12AM +0300, Kihara Muriithi wrote: > Hi pals, > > I have a laptop that I have been using for a long time - 2 years - a > Toshiba satellite Pro. I haven't had a reason to complain until now. I > have been using an ethernet cable all along, but I am in a situation > where I seriously need wireless connection. This have proved to be not > that easy. > > The card the laptop have is ipw2200 from Intel. I have the necessary > driver and firmware, according to the numerous web pages I have come > across. The OS even does see it, but it wouldn't work. I have searched > the net for a couple of days, but don't have a solution yet. Here is > what I have: > > dmesg info: > [root at kerberos kihara]# dmesg | grep ipw > ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.2.0kmprq > ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2006 Intel Corporation > ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection > ipw2200: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On: > ipw2200: Detected geography ZZM (11 802.11bg channels, 0 802.11a channels) > > iwconfig > radio off ESSID:off/any > Mode:Managed Channel:0 Access Point: Not-Associated > Bit Rate:0 kb/s Tx-Power=off Sensitivity=8/0 > Retry limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off > Encryption key:off > Power Management:off > Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 > Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 > Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 > > [root at kerberos kihara]# dmesg | grep eth1 > eth1: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xf8a86000, 00:0f:b0:9a:5c:47, IRQ 23 > eth1: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8100B/8139D' > > The issue seem to be this line 'ipw2200: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On:' > I am at a loss how to fix it. I have looked at the bios and they don't > have anything that could help. I have a feeling re-installing might > not help also. See, I have tried using live ubuntu and hit the same > snag, the kill switch. What am I missing? Would there be someone here > who have came across this problem and has a fix? I would be very > grateful for any help. There is often a button or fn+F# to enable/disable the wireless radio. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 12 14:36:29 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:36:29 -0500 Subject: Wireless nightmare - ipw2200 In-Reply-To: References: <47B10709.7060007@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20080212143629.GP1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 05:56:46AM +0300, Kihara Muriithi wrote: > [root at kerberos kihara]# dmesg | grep eth0 > eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 > eth0: no IPv6 routers present > eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 > eth0: no IPv6 routers present > > I agree, the dmesg output for eth1 don't make sense. I have run that > command again and generated the same result, and yes, thats my eth0. > Now, where could that interference be coming from? Perhaps eth0 is the wireless when loaded and eth1 is the realtek, but udev then renames them to the opposite. Check the file /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules After all the stuff above for eth0 is NOT eth0 being detected, but rather eth0 getting link (which would likely be after the driver was loaded and renamed). > [root at kerberos kihara]# rpm -qa | grep ipw2200 > ipw2200-firmware-3.0-9 > > Though I have been upgrading, the firmware was a recent installation. > Remember before just recently, I never cared about wireless. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 12 16:57:50 2008 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:57:50 -0500 Subject: Wireless nightmare - ipw2200 In-Reply-To: <20080212143320.GO1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080212143320.GO1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47B1D00E.5090903@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > There is often a button or fn+F# to enable/disable the wireless > radio. > On my old Toshiba Satellite there was a sliding switch above the R45 jack on the right hand side of the case near the rear. As I recall, it wasn't very well marked. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 13 20:30:49 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:30:49 +0300 Subject: Wireless nightmare - ipw2200 In-Reply-To: <47B1D00E.5090903-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080212143320.GO1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47B1D00E.5090903@rogers.com> Message-ID: John, Thanks dude. Its a sliding switch that I had to move to ON position. I had never seen it before you mentioned it. I have all along been playing with fn+F*. Thanks, William On 12/02/2008, John McGregor wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > There is often a button or fn+F# to enable/disable the wireless > > radio. > > > On my old Toshiba Satellite there was a sliding switch above the R45 > jack on the right hand side of the case near the rear. As I recall, it > wasn't very well marked. > > John > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 13 21:15:16 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:15:16 -0500 Subject: Wireless nightmare - ipw2200 In-Reply-To: References: <20080212143320.GO1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47B1D00E.5090903@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080213211516.GQ1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 11:30:49PM +0300, William Muriithi wrote: > Thanks dude. Its a sliding switch that I had to move to ON position. I > had never seen it before you mentioned it. I have all along been > playing with fn+F*. > > Thanks, > William > > On 12/02/2008, John McGregor wrote: > > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > > > There is often a button or fn+F# to enable/disable the wireless > > > radio. I did say button _OR_ fn+F#. Slide switch is a kind of button (one that sticks in place). :) I did not expect it to be hidden though. That's just mean. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 13 21:52:44 2008 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:52:44 -0500 Subject: What do net attackers look for? Message-ID: <20080213165244.iwhah92kg0kssc0g@mail.math.yorku.ca> I just set up an Ubuntu system and have been spending lots of time configuring it. I put tight IP filtering in place and looking at the logs shows lots of probing. It occurred to me to wonder, just what are they looking for? Suppose, hypothetically, that an attacker had been able to guess my password while I was setting it up, when I was trying to figure out networking issues and briefly turned off ip6tables to see if that was the problem. Would they be able to do anything, given that I hadn't turned on sshd or telnetd or ftpd? (A "ps -ef | grep" on ssh shows something called "ssh-client" or something like that, but not sshd.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 13 22:16:30 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:16:30 -0800 Subject: What do net attackers look for? In-Reply-To: <20080213165244.iwhah92kg0kssc0g-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080213165244.iwhah92kg0kssc0g@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: On Feb 13, 2008 1:52 PM, Mike Oliver wrote: > I just set up an Ubuntu system and have been spending lots > of time configuring it. I put tight IP filtering in place > and looking at the logs shows lots of probing. > > It occurred to me to wonder, just what are they looking for? > Suppose, hypothetically, that an attacker had been able to guess > my password while I was setting it up, when I was trying to figure > out networking issues and briefly turned off ip6tables to see > if that was the problem. Would they be able to do anything, > given that I hadn't turned on sshd or telnetd or ftpd? (A "ps -ef | grep" > on ssh shows something called "ssh-client" or something like that, > but not sshd.) You probably want to go and read "Hacking Exposed" to find out the methodology hackers use to infiltrate systems :-) -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 13 22:24:09 2008 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:24:09 -0500 Subject: outline mode in OO? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080213222409.GP3810@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 11:30:45AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > since someone was making an observation about spell checking in OO, > does anyone know if the OO folks have any plans for having a word-like > outline mode for OO? i've been whining about that for a while now: OO can outline, just not like Word. To outline in OO, use heading formats, and then manipulate the Navigator. I was a big fan of the (almost unknown) outline view in MS Werd, but have since discovered vimoutliner; a blindingly fast outlining add-on for vim. vimoutliner(.org) can also be exported to html and stuff. for mindblowing mind-mapping, try freemind. (some JRE required, preferably from Sun) djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 13 22:30:06 2008 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:30:06 -0500 Subject: What do net attackers look for? In-Reply-To: References: <20080213165244.iwhah92kg0kssc0g@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20080213173006.w4k86lyhw4gc8g40@mail.math.yorku.ca> Quoting Kristian Erik Hermansen : > On Feb 13, 2008 1:52 PM, Mike Oliver wrote: >> I just set up an Ubuntu system and have been spending lots >> of time configuring it. I put tight IP filtering in place >> and looking at the logs shows lots of probing. >> >> It occurred to me to wonder, just what are they looking for? >> Suppose, hypothetically, that an attacker had been able to guess >> my password while I was setting it up, when I was trying to figure >> out networking issues and briefly turned off ip6tables to see >> if that was the problem. Would they be able to do anything, >> given that I hadn't turned on sshd or telnetd or ftpd? (A "ps -ef | grep" >> on ssh shows something called "ssh-client" or something like that, >> but not sshd.) > > You probably want to go and read "Hacking Exposed" to find out the > methodology hackers use to infiltrate systems :-) I don't really want to know all the gory details. I'm mostly interested in the answer to the direct question: If an attacker can guess your password and your firewall is off, but you haven't turned on any of the obvious daemons, what is the risk level? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 13 22:42:07 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:42:07 -0800 Subject: What do net attackers look for? In-Reply-To: <20080213173006.w4k86lyhw4gc8g40-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080213165244.iwhah92kg0kssc0g@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080213173006.w4k86lyhw4gc8g40@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: On Feb 13, 2008 2:30 PM, Mike Oliver wrote: > I don't really want to know all the gory details. I'm mostly interested > in the answer to the direct question: If an attacker can guess your password > and your firewall is off, but you haven't turned on any of the obvious > daemons, what is the risk level? It depends if you are talking about known vulnerabilities or unknown vulnerabilities :-) There is always the possibility of remote kernel vulnerabilities, and in such a case, the remote attack doesn't need to know any passwords. The rule in security is to assume everything is bad and only accept what you know is good. So, block everything in your firewall, then accept what you need. A common misconception is that if you do not have an ipv6 network, then you don't need ipv6 filtering. This is not the case. Many attackers commonly exploit this misconception and get all sorts of details about your servers. If they have a private flaw, they may utilize ipv6 to sneak the payload in under your firewall rules. So, block everything, and poke holes for what you need... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 13 23:20:58 2008 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:20:58 -0500 Subject: What do net attackers look for? In-Reply-To: References: <20080213165244.iwhah92kg0kssc0g@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080213173006.w4k86lyhw4gc8g40@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20080213182058.cgss11tkco4wwkww@mail.math.yorku.ca> Quoting Kristian Erik Hermansen : > It depends if you are talking about known vulnerabilities or unknown > vulnerabilities :-) There is always the possibility of remote kernel > vulnerabilities, and in such a case, the remote attack doesn't need to > know any passwords. The rule in security is to assume everything is > bad and only accept what you know is good. So, block everything in > your firewall, then accept what you need. A common misconception is > that if you do not have an ipv6 network, then you don't need ipv6 > filtering. This is not the case. Many attackers commonly exploit > this misconception and get all sorts of details about your servers. > If they have a private flaw, they may utilize ipv6 to sneak the > payload in under your firewall rules. > > So, block everything, and poke holes for what you need... Good advice, which I follow. As I say, my ipv6 filtering is not so much filtering as it is total blocking, because I don't know enough about ipv6 to write rules about which I feel confident. What I want to know is, suppose it was open for five or ten minutes during setup, and suppose I used an old password that someone might conceivably have had on record waiting for an opportunity to use it. Would you reinstall for that? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 13 23:27:35 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:27:35 -0800 Subject: What do net attackers look for? In-Reply-To: <20080213182058.cgss11tkco4wwkww-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080213165244.iwhah92kg0kssc0g@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080213173006.w4k86lyhw4gc8g40@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080213182058.cgss11tkco4wwkww@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: On Feb 13, 2008 3:20 PM, Mike Oliver wrote: > Good advice, which I follow. As I say, my ipv6 filtering is not so > much filtering as it is total blocking, because I don't know enough about > ipv6 to write rules about which I feel confident. What I want to know is, > suppose it was open for five or ten minutes during setup, and suppose I used > an old password that someone might conceivably have had on record waiting for > an opportunity to use it. Would you reinstall for that? Not usually. However, TCSEC guidelines depend on how crucial the server is. Read up on it. Also, I recommend trying to get your CISSP certification if you are asking such questions as it shows you have a good mindset in thinking about these things :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCSEC -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 14 00:41:10 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:41:10 -0500 Subject: thunderbird font size In-Reply-To: <47A5394F.2020708-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47A4BF9A.1040309@chrisaitken.net> <47A4CF79.7050309@rogers.com> <47A5394F.2020708@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47B38E26.8070205@chrisaitken.net> John McGregor wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > >> What does "until / if you make further changes" mean? > > > It means that if you set it and forget it, then the change will be > permanent. However if you later change the font, be prepared to also > change the size because not all fonts render the same. > > In Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 there is another area where you can make > changes to the fonts besides the one that I directed you to earlier: > > Edit --> Preferences --> Display --> Formatting --> Fonts > > Unchecking "Allow messages to use other fonts" will force all messages > to use the font face and font size that you have selected. > > If after this you still have issues you will likely have to access > 'about:config' via: > > Edit --> Preferences --> Advanced > > John Sorry I took so long to respond. I just wanted to says 'thanks' for your help with this. As it turns out I'm using a backup computer now (FC 4) which has an older version of thunderbird (which is not giving me font-size problems). I'll keep your email for when I need to run a newer version in the future. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 14 01:15:24 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:15:24 -0500 Subject: outline mode in OO? In-Reply-To: <20080213222409.GP3810-f3ydu6uS1R7I9rkgco+hXrUXFt3QzJ1Y@public.gmane.org> References: <20080213222409.GP3810@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <1f13df280802131715k60b4e36dn9a283970d50ff90a@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 13, 2008 5:24 PM, David J Patrick wrote: > for mindblowing mind-mapping, try freemind. (some JRE required, preferably from Sun) > djp I hate that freemind requires Java, but that said, I have to agree with David: it's bloody excellent. Oh, wait - he didn't quite say that it was "good," precisely. But I will. I write my papers in vim, and if it's a small thing I'll do the outlining there too. But anything above a certain size freemind is the way to go. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 14 11:30:47 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:30:47 -0500 Subject: set up studio In-Reply-To: References: <20080209172337.32065.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <47B42667.8040307@chrisaitken.net> Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: >On Feb 9, 2008 9:23 AM, wrote: > > >>Sorry, in advance, for the long post. I want to record my songs but I'm >>having trouble just setting up the software/hardware infrastructure (if that >>term works). I thought if you knew my layout and challenges, I could get >>some general advice (instead of just specific things like, 'this is a good >>amp', and 'this is a good software mixer'), so that my studio, though not >>state-of-the-art, will at least be functional - so that everything works >>together well. Here are my challenges: >> >> > >Ubuntu Studio, 64Studio, or others? > > Sorr, for the close-to-top-post. I left all the text below to refresh your memeory of this thread. Hmmm, Ubuntu Studio looks promising. I wonder what version of alsa loads with that. Do I just run sudo apt-get install ubuntu-studio to install it? I understand that it's too big to burnt to a CD... Chris > > >>*E-mu 1212m pci card in linux*. I couldn't get my emu1212m pci soundcard to >>fully function under Ubuntu 7.10 (even upgrading alsa sound drivers to >>1.0.14rc didn't give me full functionality). I even tried installing alsa >>1.0.15, but the repository file I had to edit and the commands that the >>package manager advised me to run made a mess of my system (I had to >>re-install). >> >> > >Sounds like you need a new driver in the latest ALSA. If you are >having trouble installing it manually, you could try to go with Ubuntu >Hardy as an /easy/ solution... > > > >>*E-mu 1212m pci card in W2K*. So, I finally gave in (I'd really like to keep >>using linux) and tried Windows 2000 Pro. The soundcard works fine in W2K. >> >> > >It would be nice if the manufacturer made a driver for your Linux >system now wouldn't it :-) Call them up and tell them you are pissed. > It helps. I never sit by and let them get away with it. If they >didn't write a driver for me, I call, ask why, open a ticket, and then >try to talk to at least one developer... > > > >>*Linux/Windows dual-boot*. Since I want to do my other business work (word >>processing, printing, email) on linux, I tried to do a Ubuntu 7.10/Windows >>2000 dual-boot. Linux/Windows dual-boots usually work fine as long as you >>install Windows first (which I did). However, I'm getting W2K's version of >>the blue screen 'o' death. I have repeated this problem several times now, >>so it wasn't a fluke. I'd like to have a dual-boot scenario, at least until >>I find that there is a stable version of a linux distro that will fully run >>the emu1212m. Another reason I want a dual-boot is that I can save files >>between Windows and linux, easily. This would be good, for instance, if I >>created .aup (Audacity project) files in Windows, then (when stable emu 1212 >>support is available in linux) move them over to linux and run them in >>Audacity on that OS. >> >> > >Dual-booting is nothing special... > > > >>*Cubasis VST OEM, and Audacity*. Although Cubasis VST OEM (the >>recorder/mixer that came with the emu1212 m) seems to be giving me full >>functionality (of the emu 1212m), I was hoping to also have Audacity on the >>same system (so I can use both apps ? I'm somewhat familiar with the >>Audacity interface and I know it will give me .ogg and unlimited .mp3 >>functionality (both of which Cubasis does not offer "out-of-the-box)). >>Audacity does not seem to be fully functional for me under W2K (for >>instance, the mixer toolbar input selector drop-down menu is not even >>present). >> >> > >If you are doing multi-channel recording, you probably want to try >Ardour over Audacity... > > > >>*Mic Pre-amp?* Yesterday, for the first time, I got the emu1212m to record! >>I was thrilled. It was just a phrase of singing. However, the singing >>sounded muddy. I have not done any EQ (which I don't know how to do yet) but >>it was really muddy. I'm wondering if the problem is that I have inadequate >>microphone pre-amplification. I saw in the emu1212m manual that the balanced >>1/4" lines IN are "line level". So, I plugged my mic into the only pre-amp I >>have (it's just a little Realistic Stereo Pre-amplifier Model No. 42-2109). >>It's a phono (record player) pre-amp; only about the size of two packages of >>cigarettes. Should it be obvious to me that this thing is just not clean >>enough or powerful enough (or both) to use as a pre-amplifier in a semi-pro >>recording studio? I don't mind buying a mic pre-amp (which, I hope, would >>double as a guitar/bass pre-amp) but I don't buy anything until I hit a wall >>and am sure of why I need to buy something. At one point I was looking at >>the "Presonus Firebox 6X10 24-bit/96K FireWire Recording System". However, >>that was before I bought the emu1212m pci soundcard, so the Presonus may do >>the job but it may also be more than what I now need. >> >> > >At least in Gnome, if you open up the sound settings you can tick the >checkbox for "mic boost". You can also do this via alsamixer command >line interface... > > > >>*Analogue guy*. By the way, I am (for now) an analogue /non-midi guy. I >>don't care (yet) about firewire, midi, adat, and s/pdif. I just want to plug >>a mic or guitar, keyboard or drum machine into an XLR or 1/4" port, record >>tracks, mix 'em down on a simple interface, export as .ogg or .mp3, and burn >>a CD. >> >>*Balanced/Unbalanced*. I have a dog's breakfast of balanced and unbalanced >>devices/cables/adaptors in my studio. I really don't want to have to get a >>physical mixer (because of the expense) so I am using a patch bay. Nice and >>simple. Unfortunately, after years of using this (just to choose among >>listening to my tapedeck, CD player, and computer) I did a web search and >>find that it is probably an unbalanced patch bay (TASCAM PATCH BAY PB-32P). >>Rats. >> >> > >I am not a professional record produer :-) > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 14 11:34:32 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:34:32 -0500 Subject: set up studio In-Reply-To: <20080211151928.GF1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080209172337.32065.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20080211151928.GF1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47B42748.60403@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Sat, Feb 09, 2008 at 12:23:37PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >record player preamps are NOT for microphones. They are for record >players only and nothing else as far as I know. > >For a microphone you want a microphone amp. > > Okay, thanks. I ordered an A.R.T. tubemp tube microphone pre-amplifier. It is also a D/I box and works as an instrument (bass, guitar et al.) pre-amp as well. That should do it. > > >>*Balanced/Unbalanced*. I have a dog?s breakfast of balanced and unbalanced >>devices/cables/adaptors in my studio. I really don?t want to have to get a >>physical mixer (because of the expense) so I am using a patch bay. Nice and >>simple. Unfortunately, after years of using this (just to choose among >>listening to my tapedeck, CD player, and computer) I did a web search and >>find that it is probably an unbalanced patch bay (TASCAM PATCH BAY PB-32P). >>Rats. >> >> > >Yeah it is described as 32 mono jacks, so unbalanced only. The balanced >PB-32B would have "stereo" jacks. The balanced model can run either >(just like the emu1212m). > > I could probaly get the PB-32B on ebay for 50 bucks... Chris >-- >Len Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 14 19:33:26 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:33:26 -0500 Subject: What do net attackers look for? In-Reply-To: <20080213173006.w4k86lyhw4gc8g40-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080213165244.iwhah92kg0kssc0g@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080213173006.w4k86lyhw4gc8g40@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20080214193326.GR1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 05:30:06PM -0500, Mike Oliver wrote: > I don't really want to know all the gory details. I'm mostly interested > in the answer to the direct question: If an attacker can guess your > password > and your firewall is off, but you haven't turned on any of the obvious > daemons, what is the risk level? I guess it depends if your kernel has any security holes in itself. In general though if no services are listening, it is quite secure. You generally can't say that about windows since by default it does have services listening. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 14 19:42:54 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:42:54 -0500 Subject: Perl and Net::DBus questions Message-ID: <47B499BE.3080207@alteeve.com> Hi all, I'm working on a perl program which needs to keep track of what (block) devices are available and what their individual details are. Also, I want to be able to keep similar track of what network filesystems are currently mounted and their details. From what I have been reading, it looks like DBus and HAL are right up my alley. I've been reading the docs on the freedesktop.org website, but most of it uses C++, Java and Python when talking about bindings. Unfortunately, I am kind of still new to programming and am only comfortable really with Perl, so a lot of these analogies are lost on me. So, has anyone here played much DBus/HAL in perl (with Net::DBus)? I've looked at the code in 'examples' in the DBus docs directory, but it's pretty sparse, as are the notes on CPAN. I am certainly not asking for anyone to "do my work" for me, and even a link to docs that are more perl/Net::DBus focused would be a *huge* help! This is what I am trying to figure out; pointers to more docs would be perfect in lieu of code samples! 1: I want to initially query to the system bus for a list of current devices. 1.1: For each device detected, see if it is a block device (HDD, USB storage, Optical, etc). 1.2: If it is a block device, query it's details (max/used capacity, FS type, mount location [less important is make, model, serial, removable, optical media capability, SMART codes, etc). 2: After the initial scan, "subscribe" to the system bus and wait for new signals/messages. 2.1: Whenever a new message arrives, check if it's for a block device and, if so, repeat 1.2. 3: Do the same for Network Block devices. If anyone can help get me started, I would be much appreciated. As of now, I've been able to do this much, which queries the 'Manager' system bus, but no more. I am not even sure how to find out what objects are on a given (ie: system) bus. =/ A confused Madi. -=] test.pl [=- #!/usr/bin/perl # # My crappy Net::DBus script for learning. use strict; use warnings; use IO::Handle; use Net::DBus; my @key_words=("volume", "usb", "storage"); # Connect to DBus. my $bus = Net::DBus->system; # Get a handle to the HAL service my $hal = $bus->get_service("org.freedesktop.Hal"); # Get the device manager my $manager = $hal->get_object("/org/freedesktop/Hal/Manager", "org.freedesktop.Hal.Manager"); # Show the devices currently seen by DBus foreach my $dev (sort { $a cmp $b } @{$manager->GetAllDevices}) { my $want=0; foreach my $key (@key_words) { if ( $dev=~/$key/ ) { $want=1; last; } } if ( $want == 1 ) { print "Yar!: $dev\n"; } else { print "Boo!: $dev\n"; } } -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 14 20:07:27 2008 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:07:27 -0500 Subject: What do net attackers look for? In-Reply-To: <20080214193326.GR1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080213165244.iwhah92kg0kssc0g@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080213173006.w4k86lyhw4gc8g40@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080214193326.GR1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080214150727.2e8o5fizypq8400k@mail.math.yorku.ca> Quoting Lennart Sorensen : > On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 05:30:06PM -0500, Mike Oliver wrote: >> I don't really want to know all the gory details. I'm mostly interested >> in the answer to the direct question: If an attacker can guess your >> password >> and your firewall is off, but you haven't turned on any of the obvious >> daemons, what is the risk level? > > I guess it depends if your kernel has any security holes in itself. In > general though if no services are listening, it is quite secure. OK, so I've checked ssh, rsh, telnet, ftp; they're all off. Are there any others? BTW I googled for "ubuntu kernel vulnerability" or some such and it seems that there was one that was just patched, but it didn't seem terribly relevant because the attacker had to be "local", and all it did was give him root access, which if he could become "local", as I understand it, he would have anyway through sudo (assuming he got the local access through knowing the password). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 14 20:37:23 2008 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:37:23 -0500 Subject: What do net attackers look for? In-Reply-To: <20080214150727.2e8o5fizypq8400k-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080213165244.iwhah92kg0kssc0g@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080213173006.w4k86lyhw4gc8g40@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080214193326.GR1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080214150727.2e8o5fizypq8400k@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20080214203723.DAA1A854FB@sarg.ryerson.ca> Do a: netstat -atn|grep -v 127.0.0.1:|grep LISTEN All the ports listed there are listening for connections, so you should make sure they're firewalled appropriately. ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 14 21:49:41 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:49:41 -0800 Subject: What do net attackers look for? In-Reply-To: <20080214193326.GR1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080213165244.iwhah92kg0kssc0g@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080213173006.w4k86lyhw4gc8g40@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080214193326.GR1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: These days, attackers are avoiding remote vulnerabilities and relying on client-side attacks, for instance, malicious office documents, audio files, web/browser objects, etc... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 14 22:50:48 2008 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:50:48 -0500 Subject: OT: I'm Thinking of Switching to Acanac ISP Message-ID: <47B4C5C8.5080304@utoronto.ca> Has anybody heard anything untoward about this ISP? http://www.acanac.ca/ Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 14 23:27:01 2008 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:27:01 -0500 Subject: OT: Where Can One Buy A DSL Modem? Message-ID: <47B4CE45.1030903@utoronto.ca> Where would one buy a DSL modem? Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 00:19:22 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:19:22 -0500 Subject: OT: I'm Thinking of Switching to Acanac ISP In-Reply-To: <47B4C5C8.5080304-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B4C5C8.5080304@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <32f6a8880802141619r5096b283ke933c52414d33bb@mail.gmail.com> I don't know of them. (?Never used them personally) But i've seen some complaints about their support, you should check the forums of DSLreports and their own forums for more information. On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Has anybody heard anything untoward about this ISP? > > http://www.acanac.ca/ > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The man who is always a newbie at something, Dave Germiquet Everytime I learn something new, I realize I know very little. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 00:20:37 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:20:37 -0500 Subject: OT: Where Can One Buy A DSL Modem? In-Reply-To: <47B4CE45.1030903-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B4CE45.1030903@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <32f6a8880802141620t216463b0y5fea37c670dcff36@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ivan, I know a cheap modem I use is which is at Canada Computers (Cost me 20ish range) Its 2wire DSL/ROUTER modem. I've had no problems with it, but I think its the luck of the draw. On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Where would one buy a DSL modem? > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The man who is always a newbie at something, Dave Germiquet Everytime I learn something new, I realize I know very little. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 00:22:58 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:22:58 -0500 Subject: OT: Where Can One Buy A DSL Modem? In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880802141620t216463b0y5fea37c670dcff36-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47B4CE45.1030903@utoronto.ca> <32f6a8880802141620t216463b0y5fea37c670dcff36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880802141622jf7ce56eo811ec0263be46aa2@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ivan, I don't see those modems their at Canada Computers anymore :( Sorry I couldn't be much of help. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 00:37:14 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:37:14 -0500 Subject: OT: Where Can One Buy A DSL Modem? In-Reply-To: <47B4CE45.1030903-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B4CE45.1030903@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <47B4DEBA.1080606@rogers.com> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Where would one buy a DSL modem? >From the usual suspects, such as Tiger Direct etc. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 01:03:32 2008 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:03:32 -0500 Subject: OT: Where Can One Buy A DSL Modem? In-Reply-To: <47B4DEBA.1080606-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B4CE45.1030903@utoronto.ca> <47B4DEBA.1080606@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47B4E4E4.20800@utoronto.ca> I was just on the Tiger Direct site and all I found was this: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=990201&CatId=584 which I don't need since I already have a router. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 01:10:03 2008 From: jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:10:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Where Can One Buy A DSL Modem? In-Reply-To: <47B4CE45.1030903-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B4CE45.1030903@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <44006.66.11.182.5.1203037803.squirrel@canuckster.org> > Where would one buy a DSL modem? > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > I bought a GNet dsl modem from http://infonec.com which is located in Markham. Here is the modem I bought... http://infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=187403 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 02:54:57 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:54:57 -0500 Subject: OT: Where Can One Buy A DSL Modem? In-Reply-To: <44006.66.11.182.5.1203037803.squirrel-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A@public.gmane.org> References: <47B4CE45.1030903@utoronto.ca> <44006.66.11.182.5.1203037803.squirrel@canuckster.org> Message-ID: <47B4FF01.2010207@utoronto.ca> Jason Carson wrote: >> Where would one buy a DSL modem? >> >> Ivan. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > I bought a GNet dsl modem from http://infonec.com which is located in > Markham. Here is the modem I bought... > > http://infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=187403 I have 2 of those I'd be willing to part with. Offlist? Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 06:48:30 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 01:48:30 -0500 Subject: What do net attackers look for? In-Reply-To: <20080214150727.2e8o5fizypq8400k-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080213165244.iwhah92kg0kssc0g@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080213173006.w4k86lyhw4gc8g40@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080214193326.GR1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080214150727.2e8o5fizypq8400k@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20080215014830.6264240d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Mike Oliver wrote: > Quoting Lennart Sorensen : > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 05:30:06PM -0500, Mike Oliver wrote: > >> I don't really want to know all the gory details. I'm mostly interested > >> in the answer to the direct question: If an attacker can guess your > >> password > >> and your firewall is off, but you haven't turned on any of the obvious > >> daemons, what is the risk level? > > > > I guess it depends if your kernel has any security holes in itself. In > > general though if no services are listening, it is quite secure. > > OK, so I've checked ssh, rsh, telnet, ftp; they're all off. Are there > any others? BTW I googled for "ubuntu kernel vulnerability" or some such > and it seems that there was one that was just patched, but it didn't seem > terribly relevant because the attacker had to be "local", and all it did > was give him root access, which if he could become "local", as I understand > it, he would have anyway through sudo (assuming he got the local access > through knowing the password). One thing I've noticed that is enabled by default with Ubuntu is vino-server, to enable VNC clients to connect to your computer. The bad news is it is apparently very difficult to stop it from running (runs at login I think) and it cannot be uninstalled. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: I need a calculator. Fry: You are a calculator. Bender: I need a good calculator. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The bad news is it is > apparently very difficult to stop it from running (runs at login I think) and it > cannot be uninstalled. No, it is not on by default... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 13:15:08 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:15:08 -0500 Subject: What do net attackers look for? In-Reply-To: References: <20080213165244.iwhah92kg0kssc0g@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080213173006.w4k86lyhw4gc8g40@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080214193326.GR1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080214150727.2e8o5fizypq8400k@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080215014830.6264240d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20080215081508.78455491@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:48 PM, JoeHill wrote: > > One thing I've noticed that is enabled by default with Ubuntu is > > vino-server, to enable VNC clients to connect to your computer. The bad > > news is it is apparently very difficult to stop it from running (runs at > > login I think) and it cannot be uninstalled. > > No, it is not on by default... Funny, I didn't turn it on and it's running at login for me. I don't have 'allow other users to access my desktop' checked in the config, but I cannot shut it off. Then I read this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/141160 No expert me, but it seems to me that this bug means that vino-session will automatically run vino-server at login, and that currently vino-server cannot be shut off. Even killall won't take it out because vino-session will see that it's not running and start it again. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Dr. Zoidberg: "Talk to the claw." Bender: "Bite my collosal metal ass." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 14:16:22 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:16:22 -0500 Subject: What do net attackers look for? In-Reply-To: <20080215081508.78455491-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20080213165244.iwhah92kg0kssc0g@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080213173006.w4k86lyhw4gc8g40@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080214193326.GR1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080214150727.2e8o5fizypq8400k@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080215014830.6264240d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20080215081508.78455491@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <47B59EB6.5090505@utoronto.ca> JoeHill wrote: > Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:48 PM, JoeHill wrote: >>> One thing I've noticed that is enabled by default with Ubuntu is >>> vino-server, to enable VNC clients to connect to your computer. The bad >>> news is it is apparently very difficult to stop it from running (runs at >>> login I think) and it cannot be uninstalled. >> No, it is not on by default... > > Funny, I didn't turn it on and it's running at login for me. I don't have > 'allow other users to access my desktop' checked in the config, but I cannot > shut it off. Then I read this: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/141160 > > No expert me, but it seems to me that this bug means that vino-session will > automatically run vino-server at login, and that currently vino-server cannot > be shut off. Even killall won't take it out because vino-session will see that > it's not running and start it again. chmod -x /usr/lib/vino/vino-server should do the trick then. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 15:11:29 2008 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:11:29 -0500 Subject: Vyatta In-Reply-To: <10356380.129.1203048443686.JavaMail.root-0aBVbXjVOJpgEMS/QrZAJbPdmuhQnAtcYpD/YzqnV9I@public.gmane.org> References: <10356380.129.1203048443686.JavaMail.root@acct-java041.svale.netledger.com> Message-ID: <47B5ABA1.3050407@gmail.com> Anyone use this or a similar open router ? ns-sysadmin-ZtmgI6mnKB3QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > Thank you for downloading Vyatta software and Welcome to the Dawn of Open-Source > Networking! > We are certain that you will find these resources valuable as you test and > deploy your Vyatta system. > > > Free Vyatta University Training Course: > -------------------------------------------- > Vyatta Software Installation and Verification > How to download, boot, > install, run (LiveCD or virtual machine), reboot and shutdown. Quick Start Live > - Webinar Series: > ---------------------------------------------- > See a live demonstration of a Vyatta router and firewall configurations. > Sessions are scheduled 2x per month > http://www.vyatta.com/about/events.php > > Quick Eval Guide > ---------------------------------------------- > Get your Vyatta system up & running in under 30 minutes > http://www.vyatta.com/123/eval_123.php > > > > Community Discussion Lists: > ---------------------------------------------- > Have questions? Join the lists and ask Vyatta engineers and hundreds of other > Vyatta users. > http://www.vyatta.com/community/mailing.php > > > Documentation: > ---------------------------------------------- > Release Notes, Config Guide, Command Reference and more > http://www.vyatta.com/documentation/ > > > If you have purchasing or product questions please e-mail sales-ZtmgI6mnKB3QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org > or > visit our online store to purchase Vyatta subscriptions, appliances and interfaces > http://www2.vyatta.com/store > > > > Again, thank you for your interest in Vyatta. We are happy to have you as a part > of our community. > > The Vyatta Team > http://www.vyatta.com > > > > Note: Please do not reply to this e-mail. If you have questions or comments > please e-mail sales-ZtmgI6mnKB3QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Vyatta, Inc., 1301 Shoreway Road, Suite 200 Belmont > CA 94002 United States. > Click here > > to report email abuse > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jeffliutor-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 15:15:34 2008 From: jeffliutor-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jeff Liu) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:15:34 -0500 Subject: OT: I'm Thinking of Switching to Acanac ISP In-Reply-To: <47B4C5C8.5080304-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B4C5C8.5080304@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <3263242b0802150715s64ff776aw5b8f645c00f22ce8@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ivan, I have been using Acanac DSL at home since Aug, 2007 and I have not had any problem. I don't know if their support is good or not since the DSL line has been good and I have not called their technical support yet. Cheers, Jeff On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Has anybody heard anything untoward about this ISP? > > http://www.acanac.ca/ > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ndavey3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 16:54:18 2008 From: ndavey3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Nick Davey) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:54:18 -0500 Subject: Vyatta In-Reply-To: <47B5ABA1.3050407-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <10356380.129.1203048443686.JavaMail.root@acct-java041.svale.netledger.com> <47B5ABA1.3050407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <99e6b2860802150854k80665b6va54744e1aab604ec@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ted, I've been using the Vyatta router for a while now.I've been using it as the core router/dhcp server at home, and I've also played with it in a large business environment. Was there anything you were wondering about it in particular? Thanks, Nick On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Teddy Mills wrote: > > Anyone use this or a similar open router ? > > > > > ns-sysadmin-ZtmgI6mnKB3QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > > > > Thank you for downloading Vyatta software and Welcome to the Dawn of > Open-Source > > Networking! > > We are certain that you will find these resources valuable as you test > and > > deploy your Vyatta system. > > > > > > Free Vyatta University Training Course: > > -------------------------------------------- > > Vyatta Software Installation and Verification > > How to download, > boot, > > install, run (LiveCD or virtual machine), reboot and shutdown. Quick > Start Live > > - Webinar Series: > > ---------------------------------------------- > > See a live demonstration of a Vyatta router and firewall configurations. > > Sessions are scheduled 2x per month > > http://www.vyatta.com/about/events.php > > > > Quick Eval Guide > > ---------------------------------------------- > > Get your Vyatta system up & running in under 30 minutes > > http://www.vyatta.com/123/eval_123.php > > > > > > > > Community Discussion Lists: > > ---------------------------------------------- > > Have questions? 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Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:27:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: archival disaster: CD envelopes Message-ID: I just went back into my write-mostly archive of old CDs and DVDs. I store each of them in a CD envelope with a transparent window (so you can see the CD label). On my disks from 2004, the window is adhering to the disk. When I try to remove the CD from the envelope, the window is sticking to the disk and tearing. Big and little bits of the window remain on the disk. It could be worse: the window could be ripping bits off the CD, rendering the CD useless. I am *guessing* that a CD reader can still read the disk with bits of window stuck to it. After all, you can stick a paper label on that side of a CD. It may be that the window has made the disk unbalanced and that might be a problem. Yikes! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 18:41:10 2008 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:41:10 -0500 Subject: archival disaster: CD envelopes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080215134110.730e5421.gstrom@teksavvy.com> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:27:13 -0500 (EST) "D. Hugh Redelmeier" wrote: >I just went back into my write-mostly archive of old CDs and DVDs. I >store each of them in a CD envelope with a transparent window (so you >can see the CD label). > >On my disks from 2004, the window is adhering to the disk. When I try >to remove the CD from the envelope, the window is sticking to the >disk and tearing. Big and little bits of the window remain on the >disk. It could be worse: the window could be ripping bits off the CD, >rendering the CD useless. > >I am *guessing* that a CD reader can still read the disk with bits of >window stuck to it. After all, you can stick a paper label on that >side of a CD. It may be that the window has made the disk unbalanced >and that might be a problem. > >Yikes! I used to be in Records Management, and I learned that there are two things in particular to avoid for long-term storage--plastic sleeves and rubber bands. As you discovered, they can make quite a mess. Paper clips are also bad (they rust). -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 18:42:34 2008 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:42:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: archival disaster: CD envelopes Message-ID: <760392.84566.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > On my disks from 2004, the window is adhering to the disk. When I try > to remove the CD from the envelope, the window is sticking to the > disk and tearing. Big and little bits of the window remain on the > disk. It could be worse: the window could be ripping bits off the CD, > rendering the CD useless. Keep in mind a CD is read from the underside, not the label side. -Matthew -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 18:55:14 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:55:14 -0500 Subject: archival disaster: CD envelopes In-Reply-To: <760392.84566.qm-5xIzErvUpPiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <760392.84566.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080215185514.GS1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:42:34AM -0800, Matthew Godycki wrote: > > > On my disks from 2004, the window is adhering to the disk. When I try > > > to remove the CD from the envelope, the window is sticking to the > > > disk and tearing. Big and little bits of the window remain on the > > > disk. It could be worse: the window could be ripping bits off the CD, > > > rendering the CD useless. > > > > Keep in mind a CD is read from the underside, not the label side. The label side however contains the reflective surface for the CD. DVDs are of course very different. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 19:07:00 2008 From: gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (George Nicol) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:07:00 -0500 Subject: archival disaster: CD envelopes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47B5E2D4.3090805@primus.ca> This is a wild guess, so copious salt is a good thing. Take one of your least important archives and put it in the freezer for a few hours. Then carefully use a letter opener to separate the window from the disc. Or perhaps just tear the envelope away. It may be an urban myth, but I've heard you can open your wife's mail using this technique. And reseal it when you're done! But I wouldn't know. Never tried it. Really. If you dare to try (with a disc, eh) report the results, please. Do you think weight/pressure contributed to the problem? Unlikely. Never heard of this before. Thanks for the cautionary tale. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 19:10:59 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:10:59 -0500 Subject: archival disaster: CD envelopes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47B5E3C3.2070904@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I just went back into my write-mostly archive of old CDs and DVDs. I > store each of them in a CD envelope with a transparent window (so you can see > the CD label). > > On my disks from 2004, the window is adhering to the disk. When I try > to remove the CD from the envelope, the window is sticking to the > disk and tearing. Big and little bits of the window remain on the > disk. It could be worse: the window could be ripping bits off the CD, > rendering the CD useless. > > I am *guessing* that a CD reader can still read the disk with bits of > window stuck to it. After all, you can stick a paper label on that > side of a CD. It may be that the window has made the disk unbalanced > and that might be a problem. What happens if you soak the disk & envelope in water? Clean water shouldn't hurt a CD. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 15 20:06:22 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:06:22 -0800 Subject: What do net attackers look for? In-Reply-To: <20080215081508.78455491-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20080213165244.iwhah92kg0kssc0g@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080213173006.w4k86lyhw4gc8g40@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080214193326.GR1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080214150727.2e8o5fizypq8400k@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080215014830.6264240d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20080215081508.78455491@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 5:15 AM, JoeHill wrote: > Funny, I didn't turn it on and it's running at login for me. I don't have > 'allow other users to access my desktop' checked in the config, but I cannot > shut it off. Then I read this: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/141160 Seems like a bug, but I guarantee you that Ubuntu did not turn it on for you at installation. Ubuntu has a strict policy about not allowing any listening services in default installs. I talked to Benjamin Mako-Hill about this personally last April in Boston at the Ubuntu Feisty release party. Sounds more like some third-party package or script you ran enabled it. It is perhaps possible that automatix/2 did this, and is another reason why no one should use such low-quality software packages :-) It could be any number of possibilities though, but one thing is for sure, vino-server should not be enabled by default... > No expert me, but it seems to me that this bug means that vino-session will > automatically run vino-server at login, and that currently vino-server cannot > be shut off. Even killall won't take it out because vino-session will see that > it's not running and start it again. To me the bug seems to state this bug only happens once vino-server has been enabled, and does not imply that it is on by default. Here is my own machine to show proof... khermans at khermans-laptop:~$ nmap -T5 -p 5900 localhost Starting Nmap 4.20 ( http://insecure.org ) at 2008-02-15 11:58 PST Interesting ports on localhost (127.0.0.1): PORT STATE SERVICE 5900/tcp closed vnc Nmap finished: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.173 seconds -- Kristian Erik Hermansen "Know something about everything and everything about something." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 16 00:18:08 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:18:08 -0500 Subject: OT: Buying Stock Message-ID: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> I want to buy some stocks. I've never bought stocks before. I have an RRSP and I eventually want to move that money into a self-directed RRSP (if that's what it's called when you create your own RRSP). I'm taking a Business Mathematics course at a local college (I know, I know, 90% of investing is guts, timing, luck etc. - it's the other 5% I'm taking the math for). For now, though, I thought I'd try buying some blue-chip stock. It's a small amount so I don't want to lose a lot in brokerage fees. Does anyone know a good discount broker? Any gotchas? I've never used PayPal or any other online payment method. I've only ever bought anything "off the Internet" by calling a 1-800 number (from a website) then using my credit card over the phone. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 16 00:24:15 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:24:15 -0500 Subject: OT: Buying Stock In-Reply-To: <47B62BC0.1030705-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47B62D2F.3030706@chrisaitken.net> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I want to buy some stocks. I've never bought stocks before. I have an > RRSP and I eventually want to move that money into a self-directed > RRSP (if that's what it's called when you create your own RRSP). I'm > taking a Business Mathematics course at a local college (I know, I > know, 90% Sorry, that's *95%*. I know someone else is going to point this out if I don't. ;) > of investing is guts, timing, luck etc. - it's the other 5% I'm taking > the math for). And you *know* I need the math (see above). Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 16 01:08:55 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:08:55 -0500 Subject: OT: Buying Stock In-Reply-To: <47B62BC0.1030705-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47B637A7.9070100@rogers.com> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I want to buy some stocks. I've never bought stocks before. I have an > RRSP and I eventually want to move that money into a self-directed RRSP > (if that's what it's called when you create your own RRSP). I'm taking a > Business Mathematics course at a local college (I know, I know, 90% of > investing is guts, timing, luck etc. - it's the other 5% I'm taking the > math for). For now, though, I thought I'd try buying some blue-chip > stock. It's a small amount so I don't want to lose a lot in brokerage fees. > > Does anyone know a good discount broker? Any gotchas? I've never used > PayPal or any other online payment method. I've only ever bought > anything "off the Internet" by calling a 1-800 number (from a website) > then using my credit card over the phone. Do you have a bank account? Whoever you bank with is a good starting place since they have some record that you exist. The market is down, and you are, I assume, young, so buying stocks makes sense. How much is in your RRSP? Buying individual stocks when you have less that $20,000 (bare minimum) is not wise. If less than 20,000 consider a stock market index mutual fund from your bank. Google is your friend. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 16 01:53:19 2008 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:53:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Buying Stock In-Reply-To: <47B637A7.9070100-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> <47B637A7.9070100@rogers.com> Message-ID: The following page has a description of some of the discount brokerages available in Canada and their fees http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/review-canadian-discount-brokerages.htm Globefund: http://www.globefund.com/ has some discussion of Canadian mutual funds. http://morningstar.com/ has a lot of information on individual stocks, mutual funds and exchange traded funds. Yahoo finance also has a lot of information. As pointed out below exchange traded funds and mutual funds reduce your risk relative to individual funds. Alex On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Stephen wrote: > Mr Chris Aitken wrote: >> I want to buy some stocks. I've never bought stocks before. I have an RRSP >> and I eventually want to move that money into a self-directed RRSP (if >> that's what it's called when you create your own RRSP). I'm taking a >> Business Mathematics course at a local college (I know, I know, 90% of >> investing is guts, timing, luck etc. - it's the other 5% I'm taking the >> math for). For now, though, I thought I'd try buying some blue-chip stock. >> It's a small amount so I don't want to lose a lot in brokerage fees. >> >> Does anyone know a good discount broker? Any gotchas? I've never used >> PayPal or any other online payment method. I've only ever bought anything >> "off the Internet" by calling a 1-800 number (from a website) then using my >> credit card over the phone. > > Do you have a bank account? > > Whoever you bank with is a good starting place since they have some record > that you exist. > > The market is down, and you are, I assume, young, so buying stocks makes > sense. > > How much is in your RRSP? Buying individual stocks when you have less that > $20,000 (bare minimum) is not wise. > > If less than 20,000 consider a stock market index mutual fund from your bank. > > Google is your friend. > > Stephen > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 16 04:26:32 2008 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:26:32 -0500 Subject: OT: Buying Stock In-Reply-To: <47B637A7.9070100-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> <47B637A7.9070100@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080215232632.80dee56e.tleslie@tcn.net> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:08:55 -0500 Stephen wrote: > Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > > I want to buy some stocks. I've never bought stocks before. I have an > > RRSP and I eventually want to move that money into a self-directed RRSP > > (if that's what it's called when you create your own RRSP). I'm taking a > > Business Mathematics course at a local college (I know, I know, 90% of > > investing is guts, timing, luck etc. - it's the other 5% I'm taking the > > math for). For now, though, I thought I'd try buying some blue-chip > > stock. It's a small amount so I don't want to lose a lot in brokerage fees. > > > > Does anyone know a good discount broker? Any gotchas? I've never used > > PayPal or any other online payment method. I've only ever bought > > anything "off the Internet" by calling a 1-800 number (from a website) > > then using my credit card over the phone. > > Do you have a bank account? > > Whoever you bank with is a good starting place since they have some > record that you exist. > > The market is down, and you are, I assume, young, so buying stocks makes > sense. The market is down? you got a stock market crystal ball? you wanna sell it? There are some that say its about to tank. I'd say, if you havn't bought a home, use your first time home buyers RRSP contrib. allowance, by a property after the home market crashes in 4-8 months, by a condo in BLue mountain or somewhere and rent it out, or just by a condo somewhere and live in it (assuming you don't own already). Get your ass into at least a primary residence first, worry about stock later. Your appreciating home is tax free, and you can't get better loan rates then a mortgage. (house market crashing prediction isn't fact, just a "hunch", I am selling my home right now, and RA's are seeing it soften large now, I am hoping to bail into a apartment for 1 year and hopefully watch a major collapse from the sidelines, then come in later, but who knows.) If you can move to Windsor ... wow, they are in a depression there, you can buy stuff for half of what it was selling for 2 years ago, you can buy a house and lot for less then it cost to build the house 2 years ago, its nuts, because Detroit has collapsed, and took Windsor with it. But then you gotta want to live in Windsor :( -tl > > How much is in your RRSP? Buying individual stocks when you have less > that $20,000 (bare minimum) is not wise. > > If less than 20,000 consider a stock market index mutual fund from your > bank. > > Google is your friend. > > Stephen > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 16 07:47:43 2008 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:47:43 -0500 Subject: OT: Buying Stock In-Reply-To: <20080215232632.80dee56e.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> <47B637A7.9070100@rogers.com> <20080215232632.80dee56e.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <49e826e90802152347r1c4b8c65jc76d535c20d318b1@mail.gmail.com> I think you should prepare very well before considering buying and selling stocks. I personally think investing is all about calculation, preparation, hardwork and timing. This is serious stuff. There is always the perception that market is down and stocks are easy picking and vice versa. This is our hard-earned money. We can't depend on perceptions or what the current market rumors are saying. We need to be dead sure. We need to be absolutely clear it is the right time to purchase/sell a particular stock. The intelligent investor will study the market, consider a portfolio of stocks and wait for the right time. I would recommend reading the classic "Security Analysis" by Ben Graham ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_Analysis). Ben Graham was the mentor for Warren Buffett. Closer to home you can refer to www.gordonpape.com. Pick up one of his books and understand it. Asaf On Feb 15, 2008 11:26 PM, ted leslie wrote: > On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:08:55 -0500 > Stephen wrote: > > > Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > > > I want to buy some stocks. I've never bought stocks before. I have an > > > RRSP and I eventually want to move that money into a self-directed > RRSP > > > (if that's what it's called when you create your own RRSP). I'm taking > a > > > Business Mathematics course at a local college (I know, I know, 90% of > > > investing is guts, timing, luck etc. - it's the other 5% I'm taking > the > > > math for). For now, though, I thought I'd try buying some blue-chip > > > stock. It's a small amount so I don't want to lose a lot in brokerage > fees. > > > > > > Does anyone know a good discount broker? Any gotchas? I've never used > > > PayPal or any other online payment method. I've only ever bought > > > anything "off the Internet" by calling a 1-800 number (from a website) > > > then using my credit card over the phone. > > > > Do you have a bank account? > > > > Whoever you bank with is a good starting place since they have some > > record that you exist. > > > > The market is down, and you are, I assume, young, so buying stocks makes > > sense. > > The market is down? you got a stock market crystal ball? you wanna sell > it? > There are some that say its about to tank. > > I'd say, if you havn't bought a home, > use your first time home buyers RRSP contrib. allowance, > by a property after the home market crashes in 4-8 months, > by a condo in BLue mountain or somewhere and rent it out, > or just by a condo somewhere and live in it (assuming you don't own > already). > Get your ass into at least a primary residence first, worry about stock > later. > Your appreciating home is tax free, and you can't get better loan rates > then a mortgage. > > (house market crashing prediction isn't fact, just a "hunch", > I am selling my home right now, and RA's are seeing it soften large now, > I am hoping to bail into a apartment for 1 year and hopefully watch a > major collapse from the sidelines, then come in later, but who knows.) > > If you can move to Windsor ... wow, they are in a depression there, > you can buy stuff for half of what it was selling for 2 years ago, > you can buy a house and lot for less then it cost to build the house > 2 years ago, its nuts, because Detroit has collapsed, and took Windsor > with it. > But then you gotta want to live in Windsor :( > > -tl > > > > How much is in your RRSP? Buying individual stocks when you have less > > that $20,000 (bare minimum) is not wise. > > > > If less than 20,000 consider a stock market index mutual fund from your > > bank. > > > > Google is your friend. > > > > Stephen > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- > ted leslie > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- "I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." - Richard P. Feynman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlug-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 16 12:16:43 2008 From: tlug-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slackrat) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:16:43 +0100 Subject: OT: I'm Thinking of Switching to Acanac ISP In-Reply-To: <3263242b0802150715s64ff776aw5b8f645c00f22ce8-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> (Jeff Liu's message of "Fri\, 15 Feb 2008 10\:15\:34 -0500") References: <47B4C5C8.5080304@utoronto.ca> <3263242b0802150715s64ff776aw5b8f645c00f22ce8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <877ih52j10.fsf@azurservers.com> "Jeff Liu" a ?crit profondement: | Hi Ivan, | | I have been using Acanac DSL at home since Aug, 2007 and I have not | had any problem. I don't know if their support is good or not since | the DSL line has been good and I have not called their technical | support yet. | Just for interest, what is your bandwidth? It seems to vary greatly here Here are some results from http://www.beelinebandwidthtest.com/ which is locate in in Nieuwegein, Nederlands. And although my box comes up number 2, I still consider it pretty shabby since I pay for a 28 Mega connection 1 modemcable058.115-203-24.mc.videotron.ca 4091 K/s 01:16:20 2 azurservers.com 636 K/s 04:47:22 3 host-85-27-5-166.brutele.be 421 K/s 09:38:52 4 ip-42.net-89-3-162.rev.numericable.fr 347 K/s 00:22:45 5 184-206-114-79.rdspt.ro 322 K/s 12:03:01 6 m161.net85-168-246.noos.fr 275 K/s 00:08:56 7 i01v-62-34-245-103.d4.club-internet.fr 209 K/s 00:14:43 8 bas1-montreal02-1096716872.dsl.bell.ca 178 K/s 04:24:38 9 cnq92-157.cablevision.qc.ca 156 K/s 07:03:28 10 69-4-211-60.mediom.qc.ca 150 K/s 04:24:30 11 modemcable246.234-82-70.mc.videotron.ca 135 K/s 06:50:08 12 bas10-montrealak-1096753249.dsl.bell.ca 99 K/s 04:31:11 13 089159070043.chello.fr 89 K/s 12:47:07 14 129.73.200-77.rev.gaoland.net 81 K/s 11:25:50 15 c75.152.30-69.clta.globetrotter.net 78 K/s 00:28:42 16 118.173.153.103 61 K/s 04:05:49 17 ABordeaux-257-1-3-87.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr 35 K/s 13:02:37 18 79.82.14.90 28 K/s 02:43:41 19 165.134-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 19 K/s 09:09:39 20 83.229.15.58 8 K/s 08:31:23 Comments? -- SlackRat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jeffliutor-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 16 13:41:20 2008 From: jeffliutor-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jeff Liu) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:41:20 -0500 Subject: OT: I'm Thinking of Switching to Acanac ISP In-Reply-To: <877ih52j10.fsf-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B4C5C8.5080304@utoronto.ca> <3263242b0802150715s64ff776aw5b8f645c00f22ce8@mail.gmail.com> <877ih52j10.fsf@azurservers.com> Message-ID: <3263242b0802160541p667c3cf5lcfb49523bc9b7769@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ivan, Here are my bandwidth test results, 1. Beeline: 128 K/s (1024Kbps) 2. CNET: 1653.2 Kbps 3. http://www.bandwidthplace.com/, 286.23kilobytes per second. 4. http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/, choose server in New York, download 4329kbps, upload 662kbp, Cheers, Jeff On Feb 16, 2008 7:16 AM, Slackrat wrote: > "Jeff Liu" a ?crit profondement: > > | Hi Ivan, > | > | I have been using Acanac DSL at home since Aug, 2007 and I have not > | had any problem. I don't know if their support is good or not since > | the DSL line has been good and I have not called their technical > | support yet. > | > > Just for interest, what is your bandwidth? > > It seems to vary greatly here > > Here are some results from http://www.beelinebandwidthtest.com/ which > is locate in in Nieuwegein, Nederlands. > > And although my box comes up number 2, I still consider it pretty > shabby since I pay for a 28 Mega connection > > 1 modemcable058.115-203-24.mc.videotron.ca 4091 K/s 01:16:20 > 2 azurservers.com 636 K/s 04:47:22 > 3 host-85-27-5-166.brutele.be 421 K/s 09:38:52 > 4 ip-42.net-89-3-162.rev.numericable.fr 347 K/s 00:22:45 > 5 184-206-114-79.rdspt.ro 322 K/s 12:03:01 > 6 m161.net85-168-246.noos.fr 275 K/s 00:08:56 > 7 i01v-62-34-245-103.d4.club-internet.fr 209 K/s 00:14:43 > 8 bas1-montreal02-1096716872.dsl.bell.ca 178 K/s 04:24:38 > 9 cnq92-157.cablevision.qc.ca 156 K/s 07:03:28 > 10 69-4-211-60.mediom.qc.ca 150 K/s 04:24:30 > 11 modemcable246.234-82-70.mc.videotron.ca 135 K/s 06:50:08 > 12 bas10-montrealak-1096753249.dsl.bell.ca 99 K/s 04:31:11 > 13 089159070043.chello.fr 89 K/s 12:47:07 > 14 129.73.200-77.rev.gaoland.net 81 K/s 11:25:50 > 15 c75.152.30-69.clta.globetrotter.net 78 K/s 00:28:42 > 16 118.173.153.103 61 K/s 04:05:49 > 17 ABordeaux-257-1-3-87.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr 35 K/s 13:02:37 > 18 79.82.14.90 28 K/s 02:43:41 > 19 165.134-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 19 K/s 09:09:39 > 20 83.229.15.58 8 K/s 08:31:23 > > Comments? > > -- > SlackRat > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 16 13:14:59 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:14:59 -0500 Subject: OT: Buying Stock In-Reply-To: <47B637A7.9070100-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> <47B637A7.9070100@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47B6E1D3.3060308@utoronto.ca> Stephen wrote: > Mr Chris Aitken wrote: >> I want to buy some stocks. I've never bought stocks before. I have an >> RRSP and I eventually want to move that money into a self-directed >> RRSP (if that's what it's called when you create your own RRSP). I'm >> taking a Business Mathematics course at a local college (I know, I >> know, 90% of investing is guts, timing, luck etc. - it's the other 5% >> I'm taking the math for). For now, though, I thought I'd try buying >> some blue-chip stock. It's a small amount so I don't want to lose a >> lot in brokerage fees. >> >> Does anyone know a good discount broker? Any gotchas? I've never used >> PayPal or any other online payment method. I've only ever bought >> anything "off the Internet" by calling a 1-800 number (from a website) >> then using my credit card over the phone. > > Do you have a bank account? > > Whoever you bank with is a good starting place since they have some > record that you exist. > > The market is down, and you are, I assume, young, so buying stocks makes > sense. Buying dividends makes more sense, as companies with good dividend histories don't care if the market is bullish or bearish. As one friend put it, "tampons, toothpaste, and safety pins." And if you look at companies that sell those products, their dividends are pretty consistent over time. Getting lucky and timing things right is a myth, and I think a rather dangerous one at that. But then I'm just a student with no equity of my own. I can tell you that when I have money to invest it will be in dividends through. Jamon Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 16 15:37:58 2008 From: andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Malcolmson) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:37:58 -0500 Subject: Which CF card to buy to boot Linux Message-ID: <1203176278.1528.1237218853@webmail.messagingengine.com> I'm looking to buy a 4 GB CF card to boot Debian in a hard drive-less Via C7 system. There's a huge difference in prices out there, I guess according to speed. Does speed matter for doing this? Are some cards more reliable? Suggestions are welcome. BTW: there's a Debian package to make all the little adjustments you need to run off a CF card such a minimizing writes to the card. Anyone remember what it's called? ------------------- Andrew Malcolmson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 16 15:47:38 2008 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:47:38 -0500 Subject: OT: Buying Stock In-Reply-To: <47B62BC0.1030705-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <200802161047.38567.glayng@sympatico.ca> On Friday 15 February 2008 19:18, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I want to buy some stocks. I've never bought stocks before. I have an > RRSP and I eventually want to move that money into a self-directed RRSP > (if that's what it's called when you create your own RRSP). I'm taking a > Business Mathematics course at a local college (I know, I know, 90% of > investing is guts, timing, luck etc. - it's the other 5% I'm taking the > math for). For now, though, I thought I'd try buying some blue-chip > stock. It's a small amount so I don't want to lose a lot in brokerage fees. > > Does anyone know a good discount broker? Any gotchas? I've never used > PayPal or any other online payment method. I've only ever bought > anything "off the Internet" by calling a 1-800 number (from a website) > then using my credit card over the phone. > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists I have a self-directed RRSP at a full-service brokerage. The price is fairly reasonable, especially if you practice buy-and-hold. Choose companies who seem to have a future (blue-chip banks, life insurers, manufacturers, that sort of thing) and have a long and stable dividend payment history. If they have a dividend reinvestment plan, opt for that. Avoid companies with no history of dividends and companies that are natural resource explorers (they are very risky). -- there's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 16 16:15:53 2008 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:15:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Buying Stock In-Reply-To: References: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> <47B637A7.9070100@rogers.com> Message-ID: Here's one more link I forgot to mention: http://www.efficientmarket.ca/ It seems to have some fairly reasonable suggestions on investment strategies, although I haven't looked at them in too close detail. Certain broad based Exchange traded funds (ETFs) that track broad indexes for Canada, US, or most of the world, can provide you a cheap and easy way to buy into the market as a whole. This does not protect against the risk that the market as a whole could fall, but it does protect you against the risk that a particular company or sector crashes. This is referred to as diversification, roughly translated to" don't put all your eggs in one basket". I found morningstar.com useful for sorting through the various ETFs. If you are concerned about when to buy in, one strategy sometimes advocated is dollar cost averaging, whereby you buy in a little at a time. However, trading fees are often charged on a per-trade basis, so if you buy in too small quantities your trading fees will be higher on a percentage basis. Alex On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Alex Maynard wrote: > > The following page has a description of some of the discount brokerages > available in Canada and their fees > > http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/review-canadian-discount-brokerages.htm > > Globefund: http://www.globefund.com/ has some discussion of Canadian mutual > funds. > > http://morningstar.com/ has a lot of information on individual stocks, > mutual funds and exchange traded funds. Yahoo finance also has a lot > of information. > > As pointed out below exchange traded funds and mutual funds reduce your risk > relative to individual funds. > > Alex > > > > On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Stephen wrote: > >> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: >>> I want to buy some stocks. I've never bought stocks before. I have an RRSP >>> and I eventually want to move that money into a self-directed RRSP (if >>> that's what it's called when you create your own RRSP). I'm taking a >>> Business Mathematics course at a local college (I know, I know, 90% of >>> investing is guts, timing, luck etc. - it's the other 5% I'm taking the >>> math for). For now, though, I thought I'd try buying some blue-chip stock. >>> It's a small amount so I don't want to lose a lot in brokerage fees. >>> >>> Does anyone know a good discount broker? Any gotchas? I've never used >>> PayPal or any other online payment method. I've only ever bought anything >>> "off the Internet" by calling a 1-800 number (from a website) then using >>> my credit card over the phone. >> >> Do you have a bank account? >> >> Whoever you bank with is a good starting place since they have some record >> that you exist. >> >> The market is down, and you are, I assume, young, so buying stocks makes >> sense. >> >> How much is in your RRSP? Buying individual stocks when you have less that >> $20,000 (bare minimum) is not wise. >> >> If less than 20,000 consider a stock market index mutual fund from your >> bank. >> >> Google is your friend. >> >> Stephen >> >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 16 18:21:13 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:21:13 -0500 Subject: OT: Buying Stock In-Reply-To: <47B62BC0.1030705-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080216132113.581e9da2@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I want to buy some stocks. I've never bought stocks before. I have an > RRSP and I eventually want to move that money into a self-directed RRSP > (if that's what it's called when you create your own RRSP). I'm taking a > Business Mathematics course at a local college (I know, I know, 90% of > investing is guts, timing, luck etc. - it's the other 5% I'm taking the > math for). For now, though, I thought I'd try buying some blue-chip > stock. It's a small amount so I don't want to lose a lot in brokerage fees. I would recommend checking out some of the 'ethical funds'. They're generally not going to give you a 50% return on your investment next year, but you're also not investing your money in murder, slavery, and environmental destruction. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "I'm a fraud - a poor, lazy, sexy fraud." -Bender -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For now, though, I thought I'd try buying >> some blue-chip stock. It's a small amount so I don't want to lose a >> lot in brokerage fees. >> >> Does anyone know a good discount broker? Any gotchas? I've never used >> PayPal or any other online payment method. I've only ever bought >> anything "off the Internet" by calling a 1-800 number (from a >> website) then using my credit card over the phone. > > > Do you have a bank account? Yes. > Whoever you bank with is a good starting place since they have some > record that you exist. Buy stocks straight fromt he bank? > The market is down, and you are, I assume, young, so buying stocks > makes sense. I'm 48. > How much is in your RRSP? I dunno - seven, eight grand? > Buying individual stocks when you have less that $20,000 (bare > minimum) is not wise. Why? > If less than 20,000 consider a stock market index mutual fund from > your bank. Why? Chris > Google is your friend. > > Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 16 20:00:03 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:00:03 -0500 Subject: OT: Buying Stock In-Reply-To: <20080215232632.80dee56e.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> <47B637A7.9070100@rogers.com> <20080215232632.80dee56e.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <47B740C3.3020908@chrisaitken.net> ted leslie wrote: >On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:08:55 -0500 >Stephen wrote: > > > >>The market is down, and you are, I assume, young, so buying stocks makes >>sense. >> >> > >The market is down? you got a stock market crystal ball? you wanna sell it? >There are some that say its about to tank. > >I'd say, if you havn't bought a home, >use your first time home buyers RRSP contrib. allowance, > > What is that? >by a property after the home market crashes in 4-8 months, >by a condo in BLue mountain or somewhere and rent it out, >or just by a condo somewhere and live in it (assuming you don't own already). >Get your ass into at least a primary residence first, worry about stock later. >Your appreciating home is tax free, and you can't get better loan rates then a mortgage. > > I own (and live in) a triplex. >(house market crashing prediction isn't fact, just a "hunch", >I am selling my home right now, and RA's are seeing it soften large now, > > "RA's"? >I am hoping to bail into a apartment for 1 year and hopefully watch a >major collapse from the sidelines, then come in later, but who knows.) > >If you can move to Windsor ... wow, they are in a depression there, >you can buy stuff for half of what it was selling for 2 years ago, >you can buy a house and lot for less then it cost to build the house >2 years ago, its nuts, because Detroit has collapsed, and took Windsor with it. >But then you gotta want to live in Windsor :( > >-tl > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 17 07:09:21 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:09:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: capturing CBC Radio from an internet stream Message-ID: This has taken a bit to figure out. I hope some others find this information useful. CBC Radio is streamed in two ways that I know about: - ogg vorbis: experimental. CBC Radio 1 in Toronto (only) - mms stream containing .wma. For each radio station. See http://www.cbc.ca/listen/index.html I would like to be able to report that ogg vorbis is the way to go, but there are two problems: - every time try to capture an hour-long show, I find the stream is broken off prematurely - I often want to record something that I found out about by coming in on the middle. In these cases, it is great to capture from a station in a later timezone. How can you capture mms? I want to use scripts so it has to be a cli program. Here's a shell script that I call GRAB1hrCBC1mms: # grab 60 minutes of CBC Radio 1 # mms => ASF (.asf or .wma) DATE=`date +%Y.%m.%d-%H.%M` mmsrip --delay=3600 --output=$DATE.wma mms://wm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-${CITY:-toronto} You can give it an argument of the city you wish to record from. I've listed their time offset from here and their timezone: -1 cst winnipeg -1 cst regina -2 mst calgary -3 pst vancouver I can start this up with tha at(1) command I got mmsrip here: http://nbenoit.tuxfamily.org/projects.php?rq=mmsrip The output of mmsrip, at least in this case, is a .wma file. But it is a bit malformed: it won't work in my mp3 players. Two things do understand it: - ffmpeg - mplayer (because it uses the ffmpeg library) It turns out that a null transcoding by ffmpeg can make the file work with my Creative Zen V! ffmpeg has unconventional flags -- check the manpage. ffmpeg -i captured.wma -acodec copy nice.wma I also found the flags -title and -author (but not -album) allowed me to add tags. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 16 16:08:16 2008 From: walterdnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:08:16 -0500 Subject: [Solved]: Getting mutt and ssmtp to use non-default "From:" address In-Reply-To: <72884e680802102034g4312ef01u3fa8ebfe3ff522ac-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <72884e680802102034g4312ef01u3fa8ebfe3ff522ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080216160816.GA14017@waltdnes.org> On Sun, Feb 10, 2008 at 11:34:43PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote > My current remote inbox at cotse.net has problems with email from > tlug. I've unsubscribed my regular waltdnes.org email address, and > subscribed my Gmail address. Google allows me to POP email directly > from their server, and into my mutt Maildir. So far so good. > > The problem is that I can't send as my_email_address-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org from my > home machine. No matter what I do, the "From:" always comes out as > waltdnes aht-sign waltdnes dot org, when I send a test message to my > dialup account. What do I have to tweak? I can RTFM, but that requires that someone WTFM (Write The ...). There is no man page for ssmtp.conf, but persistent Googling finally turned up an answer. The magic parameter is... FromLineOverride=YES It sounds a bit backwards. I think it means that the From: line overrides the system default. If there is no From:, it goes out as waltdnes aht-sign waltdnes dot org. If I do have a From: line in the email, it is used instead. The weird part is that I found this on a web page that describes how to set up ssmtp under Cygwin. -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 18 01:51:08 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:51:08 -0500 Subject: CM8738 in FC4 Message-ID: <47B8E48C.2010605@chrisaitken.net> I want to get my wife's FC4 computer playing sound. I'm not going to try anything heroic like the failed e-mu1212m / alsa troubleshoot on the ubuntu machine, but she bought a pair of computer speakers and would like to be able to play mp3's and play youtube videos. Of course, sound is not coming out of the speakers. system-config-soundcard detects: Vendor: C-Media Model: Electronics Inc. CM8738 Module: snd-cmipci I hit the 'Play test sound' button and system-config-soundcard freezes. lspci sees the card as well: 00:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) Can't I just download an alsa that will work with FC4 and then untar it and run an executable? Editing the repository file in ubuntu didn't work for me. I'm not sure I want to do the equivalent on this machine in FC4. It's the administration production machine for our business and with tax time coming up I don't want to tell her I pooched the OS to get youtube playing. And yeah, I know, FC4 sucks and it's obsolete and I should switch to distro x, y or z because it's great and everything will just "work". Well my experience tells me this is not so, so I would like to make it work without any latest'n'greatest stuff. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 18 02:12:09 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:12:09 -0500 Subject: CM8738 in FC4 In-Reply-To: <47B8E48C.2010605-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B8E48C.2010605@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47B8E979.8050509@chrisaitken.net> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I want to get my wife's FC4 computer playing sound. I'm not going to > try anything heroic like the failed e-mu1212m / alsa troubleshoot on > the ubuntu machine, but she bought a pair of computer speakers and > would like to be able to play mp3's and play youtube videos. Of > course, sound is not coming out of the speakers. I found a test command at teh alsa homepage and ran it: aplay -vv somefile.wav I didn't have a wav file so I ran: aplay -vv somefile.wma I got some scary white noise. It wouldn't stop - I couldn't log out - I had to manually shut down. I guess that command is for wav files only... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 18 04:15:36 2008 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:15:36 -0500 Subject: CM8738 in FC4 In-Reply-To: <47B8E979.8050509-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B8E48C.2010605@chrisaitken.net> <47B8E979.8050509@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47B90668.2030205@utoronto.ca> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I want to get my wife's FC4 computer playing sound. I'm not going to >> try anything heroic like the failed e-mu1212m / alsa troubleshoot on >> the ubuntu machine, but she bought a pair of computer speakers and >> would like to be able to play mp3's and play youtube videos. Of >> course, sound is not coming out of the speakers. > > I found a test command at teh alsa homepage and ran it: > > aplay -vv somefile.wav > > I didn't have a wav file so I ran: > > aplay -vv somefile.wma > > I got some scary white noise. It wouldn't stop - I couldn't log out - I > had to manually shut down. I guess that command is for wav files only... Ctrl-C will terminate the foreground process in the console or shell. No need to shut down. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 18 05:19:21 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:19:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: EFBIG (File too large) Message-ID: I've been using my text editor (JOVE) for roughly 25 years. I got a surprise today, but I don't know how long this has been lurking. I tried to read a log file into the editor but it said Couldn't open "/space/tmp/logs/mythburn.log". I had no idea why. The permissions were correct. So I straced the editor and found that the file open syscall failed with EFBIG. What the heck is this? The open(2) manpage did not list EFBIG. Bad. But I did see this bit: O_LARGEFILE (LFS) Allow files whose sizes cannot be represented in an off_t (but can be represented in an off64_t) to be opened. This seems really stupid. Why not make off_t large enough to do its job? Why have a separate off64_t? We use headers and typedefs so these things can change when they should. I'm not going to "fix" JOVE. Why add cruft like that. Grumble. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 18 12:18:05 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:18:05 -0500 Subject: CM8738 in FC4 In-Reply-To: <47B8E48C.2010605-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B8E48C.2010605@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47B9777D.5070600@chrisaitken.net> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I want to get my wife's FC4 computer playing sound. I'm not going to > try anything heroic like the failed e-mu1212m / alsa troubleshoot on > the ubuntu machine, but she bought a pair of computer speakers and > would like to be able to play mp3's and play youtube videos. Of > course, sound is not coming out of the speakers. I'm fine now. I ran 'yum install alsa-driver', it installed (and brought in 'alsa'driver-devel' and youotube plays fine now. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 18 16:00:33 2008 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:00:33 -0500 Subject: EFBIG (File too large) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080218160032.GC24830@adb.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I tried to read a log file into the editor but it said > Couldn't open "/space/tmp/logs/mythburn.log". > > I had no idea why. The permissions were correct. So I straced the editor > and found that the file open syscall failed with EFBIG. And the file itself is somewhere a bit past 2 gig? > This seems really stupid. Why not make off_t large enough to do its > job? Why have a separate off64_t? We use headers and typedefs so > these things can change when they should. There'd be the issue of creating a time warp so you can go back and make a 64-bit off_t before all the existing software got compiled, though in theory with versioned libraries you should have been able to continue to provide the 32-bit calls that existing dynamically-linked binaries expect while providing 64-bit calls to newly-compiled code. There are some places where staying in the 32-bit realm keeps things smaller, though most software won't have huge arrays of off_t values. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 18 19:01:39 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:01:39 -0500 Subject: OT: Buying Stock In-Reply-To: <49e826e90802152347r1c4b8c65jc76d535c20d318b1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> <47B637A7.9070100@rogers.com> <20080215232632.80dee56e.tleslie@tcn.net> <49e826e90802152347r1c4b8c65jc76d535c20d318b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 16, 2008 2:47 AM, Asaf Maruf wrote: > I think you should prepare very well before considering buying and selling > stocks. I personally think investing is all about calculation, preparation, > hardwork and timing. This is serious stuff. There is always the perception > that market is down and stocks are easy picking and vice versa. > > This is our hard-earned money. We can't depend on perceptions or what the > current market rumors are saying. We need to be dead sure. We need to be > absolutely clear it is the right time to purchase/sell a particular stock. > > The intelligent investor will study the market, consider a portfolio of > stocks and wait for the right time. I'd say a big "nonsense" here. Unless you've got a brain the size of the planet, such that you can predict the future, then you can't know for certain if the market is about to go in either direction. You can't afford to wait until you are "dead sure;" the only time you *can* be "dead sure" about things is that when you're dead, you can be sure that stock prices do not matter anymore. Instead, it makes sense to get into the regular practice of investing something. I think there's a lot of "snake oil" surrounding the "Dollar Unit Averaging," but the truth that it *does* have is that if you are continually buying a bit of this and that, then this will mitigate the risks that come from variations in stock price. Further, being in the regular habit of investing means that you've got the Good Habit of Saving, which is of some independent value. > I would recommend reading the classic "Security Analysis" by Ben Graham > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_Analysis). Ben Graham was the mentor > for Warren Buffett. > > Closer to home you can refer to www.gordonpape.com. Pick up one of his books > and understand it. I'd also suggest _A Random Walk Down Wall Street_ by Burton G. Malkiel. I have been heading down the ETF (Exchange Traded Fund) route, lately. They provide a diversified portfolio, which is a good thing, and they have way, way, way lower management fees than the (super-rapacious) Canadian mutual funds. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 18 19:09:44 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:09:44 -0500 Subject: OT: Buying Stock In-Reply-To: <47B73F61.4070309-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> <47B637A7.9070100@rogers.com> <47B73F61.4070309@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: On Feb 16, 2008 2:54 PM, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > Stephen wrote: > > Do you have a bank account? > > Yes. Then your bank is a pretty good place to go. More convenient, generally, than other options. > > Whoever you bank with is a good starting place since they have some > > record that you exist. > > Buy stocks straight fromt he bank? Maybe... > > The market is down, and you are, I assume, young, so buying stocks > > makes sense. > > I'm 48. A bit late, but better late than never... > > How much is in your RRSP? > > I dunno - seven, eight grand? > > > Buying individual stocks when you have less that $20,000 (bare > > minimum) is not wise. > > Why? Basically because the minimum transaction size where commissions *don't* "eat your lunch" is at about the $1500-$2000 range. The minimum per-transaction commission is usually around $40, and you can't get a diverse portfolio without buying at least 10 different securities. That being the case, "diversity" means that you'll be spending at least $400 in commissions. $400 on $20K isn't too material. On a smaller portfolio, you'll be spending most of your value on commissions; you won't get a chance to earn anything on it! > > If less than 20,000 consider a stock market index mutual fund from > > your bank. > > Why? It gives you diversity (lowers risk) without you having to do 10 transactions. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From DKreuter-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 18 19:12:36 2008 From: DKreuter-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ at public.gmane.org (David Kreuter) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:12:36 -0500 Subject: OT: Buying Stock References: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> <47B637A7.9070100@rogers.com> <47B73F61.4070309@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <333C4802564C8A4D95F96376ED11830E6F1AB9@r2d2.coleo.com> back to linux topics perhaps? David -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org on behalf of Christopher Browne Sent: Mon 2/18/2008 2:09 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Buying Stock On Feb 16, 2008 2:54 PM, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > Stephen wrote: > > Do you have a bank account? > > Yes. Then your bank is a pretty good place to go. More convenient, generally, than other options. > > Whoever you bank with is a good starting place since they have some > > record that you exist. > > Buy stocks straight fromt he bank? Maybe... > > The market is down, and you are, I assume, young, so buying stocks > > makes sense. > > I'm 48. A bit late, but better late than never... > > How much is in your RRSP? > > I dunno - seven, eight grand? > > > Buying individual stocks when you have less that $20,000 (bare > > minimum) is not wise. > > Why? Basically because the minimum transaction size where commissions *don't* "eat your lunch" is at about the $1500-$2000 range. The minimum per-transaction commission is usually around $40, and you can't get a diverse portfolio without buying at least 10 different securities. That being the case, "diversity" means that you'll be spending at least $400 in commissions. $400 on $20K isn't too material. On a smaller portfolio, you'll be spending most of your value on commissions; you won't get a chance to earn anything on it! > > If less than 20,000 consider a stock market index mutual fund from > > your bank. > > Why? It gives you diversity (lowers risk) without you having to do 10 transactions. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3749 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 18 21:50:41 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:50:41 -0500 Subject: OT: I'm Thinking of Switching to Acanac ISP In-Reply-To: <3263242b0802150715s64ff776aw5b8f645c00f22ce8-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47B4C5C8.5080304@utoronto.ca> <3263242b0802150715s64ff776aw5b8f645c00f22ce8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0802181350m28ab8cx665b86cac8938d1d@mail.gmail.com> Are you locked into a contract? How long did it take you to get connected once you signed up (I'm moving and looking at providers too. I've seen some nasty posting about Acanac but then bitchin's always the loudest over compliments) On Feb 15, 2008 10:15 AM, Jeff Liu wrote: > Hi Ivan, > > I have been using Acanac DSL at home since Aug, 2007 and I have not > had any problem. I don't know if their support is good or not since > the DSL line has been good and I have not called their technical > support yet. > > Cheers, > Jeff > > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > > > Has anybody heard anything untoward about this ISP? > > > > http://www.acanac.ca/ > > > > Ivan. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 477-1784 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 00:06:29 2008 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:06:29 -0500 Subject: OT: Buying Stock In-Reply-To: <333C4802564C8A4D95F96376ED11830E6F1AB9-GeJz80uIaIZkA4s6NEpZHg@public.gmane.org> References: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> <47B637A7.9070100@rogers.com> <47B73F61.4070309@chrisaitken.net> <333C4802564C8A4D95F96376ED11830E6F1AB9@r2d2.coleo.com> Message-ID: <47BA1D85.4060600@dinamis.com> David Kreuter wrote: > back to linux topics perhaps? ... he wrote, with a "winmail.dat" attachment :) The subject line is marked "OT" for a reason. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jeffliutor-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 00:43:49 2008 From: jeffliutor-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jeff Liu) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:43:49 -0500 Subject: OT: I'm Thinking of Switching to Acanac ISP In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0802181350m28ab8cx665b86cac8938d1d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47B4C5C8.5080304@utoronto.ca> <3263242b0802150715s64ff776aw5b8f645c00f22ce8@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef0802181350m28ab8cx665b86cac8938d1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3263242b0802181643x74ede7aev4d8d436ec39474d7@mail.gmail.com> Hi Tyler, I am locked in for one year contract, about $19/month and I had to pay the whole year when I submited, If I want to remain with Acanac in the next year, I will need to pay $35/month. Their special discount only applies for the first year. FYI, I am not a heavily home Internet user, I only use Internet for news and VPN to office, I don't download GB data, so far my Acanac link has been OK. Regards, Jeff On Feb 18, 2008 4:50 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Are you locked into a contract? How long did it take you to get > connected once you signed up > > (I'm moving and looking at providers too. I've seen some nasty posting > about Acanac but then bitchin's always the loudest over compliments) > > On Feb 15, 2008 10:15 AM, Jeff Liu wrote: > > Hi Ivan, > > > > I have been using Acanac DSL at home since Aug, 2007 and I have not > > had any problem. I don't know if their support is good or not since > > the DSL line has been good and I have not called their technical > > support yet. > > > > Cheers, > > Jeff > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > > > > > Has anybody heard anything untoward about this ISP? > > > > > > http://www.acanac.ca/ > > > > > > Ivan. > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2 > (647) 477-1784 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 04:11:08 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:11:08 +0300 Subject: USB based Bluetooth receiver/transmitter Message-ID: Hi pals, I want to attempt using bluetooth to send out sms. This will entail tether a desktop to the cell phone for connectivity. So, I think I will need a bluetooth hardware that should play well with bluez (The Linux bluetooth stack) and Nokia bluetooth stack. I am assuming that Nokia has reused most of their software across most of their phones, so being specific about the phone isn't necessary. If that assumption is however wrong, I would love to connect to a Nokia 6300. Now, the first thing I did was to go on line for some hardware compatibility thing of sort. Haha, seem that such a list existed sometime back, but apparently Marcel Holtmann was forced to take it down. Looking closer, it look like its still there but haven't been update for over 2 years. Thats when I thought may be I should ask here, just in case someone has worked on it recently. Whats the best hardware to pick up to enable me fulfill the above small project? I would appreciate sharing any pertinent experience here Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 16:52:04 2008 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:52:04 -0500 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans Message-ID: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> I was wondering if it was possible to have network segmentation without using vlans. If I have 20 boxes on a switch, I do not want any of the boxes to know about each other. /teddy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From paul-s7S4Dk53uTw at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 17:24:18 2008 From: paul-s7S4Dk53uTw at public.gmane.org (Paul van Fraassen) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:24:18 -0500 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans In-Reply-To: <47BB0934.6040704-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49833ce40802190924k426531cbld15cd7e417762d53@mail.gmail.com> I know it's a typical response but, can you give more info? Normally, you choices are dividing up the space with separate router interfaces or vlans (which is just another form of router interface which saves some hardware in switches etc) but, it sounds like you want to do something without adding H/W (I know I'm making wild assumptions here :-) do you mean strict Layer 2 segmentation ? You might be tempted to separate groups of PCs by putting them in their own IP subnets so that the netmasks make them seem to be on their own but this is really just slight of hand and not much use for either security or network performance. Does that make any sense? How up to speed are you with the Layer-2, Layer-3 stuff ? -PvF On 2/19/08, Teddy Mills wrote: > > > I was wondering if it was possible to have network segmentation without > using vlans. > If I have 20 boxes on a switch, I do not want any of the boxes to know > about each other. > > /teddy > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can Debian Sid Linux Desktop KDE 3.5.7 KMail 1.9.5 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 17:57:44 2008 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:57:44 -0500 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans In-Reply-To: <49833ce40802190924k426531cbld15cd7e417762d53-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> <49833ce40802190924k426531cbld15cd7e417762d53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BB1898.1080807@gmail.com> Standard 24 port switch. Some 20 servers on it. I want all 20 servers not to 'see' each others traffic at all. All 20 servers are on the same subnet. (ack) Paul van Fraassen wrote: > I know it's a typical response but, can you give more info? > Normally, you choices are dividing up the space with separate router > interfaces or vlans (which is just another form of router interface which > saves some hardware in switches etc) > but, it sounds like you want to do something without adding H/W > (I know I'm making wild assumptions here :-) do you mean strict Layer 2 > segmentation ? > You might be tempted to separate groups of PCs by putting them in their own > IP subnets so that the netmasks make them seem to be on their own > but this is really just slight of hand and not much use for either security > or network performance. > Does that make any sense? How up to speed are you with the Layer-2, Layer-3 > stuff ? > > > -PvF > > > > On 2/19/08, Teddy Mills wrote: > >> I was wondering if it was possible to have network segmentation without >> using vlans. >> If I have 20 boxes on a switch, I do not want any of the boxes to know >> about each other. >> >> /teddy >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sutherland_rob-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 18:02:15 2008 From: sutherland_rob-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:02:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: NFS server - /proc/net/rpc/nfsd Message-ID: <750844.76021.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I'm trying to nail down an NFS problem that seems to be related to load and one of the recommendations in the NFS Howto is to increase the number of NFS server instances, which are currently at the default, 8. Anyone have a rule of thumb for the number of instances? The Howto also recommends looking at the statistics in the /proc/net/rpc/nfsd file. I'm not really sure how to interperet these numbers, can anyone point me to an explanation? Thanks, Rob Rob Sutherland 'I is Popeye O'Borg. Yez will be askimigulated' ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From paul-s7S4Dk53uTw at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 18:09:54 2008 From: paul-s7S4Dk53uTw at public.gmane.org (Paul van Fraassen) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:09:54 -0500 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans In-Reply-To: <47BB1898.1080807-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> <49833ce40802190924k426531cbld15cd7e417762d53@mail.gmail.com> <47BB1898.1080807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49833ce40802191009p3e987484se62b2e8461f82f28@mail.gmail.com> OK seems simple enough. So, the simple answer is "No" if you don't want the servers to see each others traffic at all then they have to be on separate Layer-2 segments and that means either separate switches (hubs, coax or whatever :-) or vlans. Why do you want to stay away from vlans ? Port based vlans can be a simple way to get isolation, provided your switch supports it. -PvF On 2/19/08, Teddy Mills wrote: > > > Standard 24 port switch. > Some 20 servers on it. > > I want all 20 servers not to 'see' each others traffic at all. > All 20 servers are on the same subnet. (ack) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul van Fraassen wrote: > > I know it's a typical response but, can you give more info? > > Normally, you choices are dividing up the space with separate router > > interfaces or vlans (which is just another form of router interface > which > > saves some hardware in switches etc) > > but, it sounds like you want to do something without adding H/W > > (I know I'm making wild assumptions here :-) do you mean strict Layer 2 > > segmentation ? > > You might be tempted to separate groups of PCs by putting them in their > own > > IP subnets so that the netmasks make them seem to be on their own > > but this is really just slight of hand and not much use for either > security > > or network performance. > > Does that make any sense? How up to speed are you with the Layer-2, > Layer-3 > > stuff ? > > > > > > -PvF > > > > > > > > On 2/19/08, Teddy Mills wrote: > > > >> I was wondering if it was possible to have network segmentation without > >> using vlans. > >> If I have 20 boxes on a switch, I do not want any of the boxes to know > >> about each other. > >> > >> /teddy > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeffliutor-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 18:53:54 2008 From: jeffliutor-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jeff Liu) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:53:54 -0500 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans In-Reply-To: <49833ce40802191009p3e987484se62b2e8461f82f28-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> <49833ce40802190924k426531cbld15cd7e417762d53@mail.gmail.com> <47BB1898.1080807@gmail.com> <49833ce40802191009p3e987484se62b2e8461f82f28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3263242b0802191053h32fa2a9aia433bfb7709808bd@mail.gmail.com> This is an unusual request, a work around I can think about is setup firewall on all 20 servers and only allows traffic from the gateway and IPs you want to allow, all other traffic will be dropped. Jeff On Feb 19, 2008 1:09 PM, Paul van Fraassen wrote: > OK seems simple enough. > So, the simple answer is "No" if you don't want the servers to see each > others traffic at all then they have to be on separate > Layer-2 segments and that means either separate switches (hubs, coax or > whatever :-) or vlans. > Why do you want to stay away from vlans ? Port based vlans can be a simple > way to get isolation, provided your switch supports it. > > > > -PvF > > On 2/19/08, Teddy Mills wrote: > > > > Standard 24 port switch. > > Some 20 servers on it. > > > > I want all 20 servers not to 'see' each others traffic at all. > > All 20 servers are on the same subnet. (ack) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul van Fraassen wrote: > > > I know it's a typical response but, can you give more info? > > > Normally, you choices are dividing up the space with separate router > > > interfaces or vlans (which is just another form of router interface > which > > > saves some hardware in switches etc) > > > but, it sounds like you want to do something without adding H/W > > > (I know I'm making wild assumptions here :-) do you mean strict Layer 2 > > > segmentation ? > > > You might be tempted to separate groups of PCs by putting them in their > own > > > IP subnets so that the netmasks make them seem to be on their own > > > but this is really just slight of hand and not much use for either > security > > > or network performance. > > > Does that make any sense? How up to speed are you with the Layer-2, > Layer-3 > > > stuff ? > > > > > > > > > -PvF > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/19/08, Teddy Mills wrote: > > > > > >> I was wondering if it was possible to have network segmentation without > > >> using vlans. > > >> If I have 20 boxes on a switch, I do not want any of the boxes to know > > >> about each other. > > >> > > >> /teddy > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 19:17:13 2008 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:17:13 -0500 Subject: problems with Google Groups Message-ID: <200802191417.14333.icanprogram@295.ca> Has anyone tried to create a new Google Group recently? If you do you'll likely get your group created with no members ... including no owner!!! Not particularly useful. Judging from the traffic on the help forums this problem started sometime on Friday Feb 15 and still isn't resolved. What is more troubling is that the Google team appears to be totally silent on the issue. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 19:27:35 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:27:35 -0500 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans In-Reply-To: <47BB0934.6040704-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BB2DA7.3080708@rogers.com> Teddy Mills wrote: > I was wondering if it was possible to have network segmentation without using vlans. > If I have 20 boxes on a switch, I do not want any of the boxes to know about each other. That depends on what you mean by "know about each other". If you just don't want them to communicate via IP, use different address ranges. If you me can't communicate at all, then VLAN is the way to go. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 19:34:31 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:34:31 -0500 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans In-Reply-To: <47BB1898.1080807-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> <49833ce40802190924k426531cbld15cd7e417762d53@mail.gmail.com> <47BB1898.1080807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BB2F47.5040601@rogers.com> Teddy Mills wrote: > Standard 24 port switch. > Some 20 servers on it. > > I want all 20 servers not to 'see' each others traffic at all. > All 20 servers are on the same subnet. (ack) If they're all on the same subnet, presumably it's for a reason. That means what you want is impossible. When you separate a switch into VLANs, it's as though you physically slit the box. Also, bear in mind a switch will pass very little of one computer's traffic to others, beyond the intended destination. Basicly, all you'll see at another computer is the broadcasts. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 20:14:20 2008 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:14:20 -0500 Subject: NFS server - /proc/net/rpc/nfsd In-Reply-To: <750844.76021.qm-incaeTEyQXT5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <750844.76021.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49e826e90802191214g547262bcj2f7c9ccb1f899f78@mail.gmail.com> Hi Here are some tips you could use to improve overall performance: 16 is a good number to start with. Increasing the number of threads for non-Solaris OS can create performance issues as memory is allocated upfront and threads are activated on every request. Run nfsstat -rc on the client. The value under TimeOuts should be small indicating a healthy network. Ensure that both server and clients are running the current NFS version 3 or 4. Can also force server and clients to use TCP like so: mount -o proto=tcp server:/export /nfs Using the mount command, the read and write blocks can be increased to 32k for better performance Some recommended values for improving NFS performance: MTU size increase to 4000-9000 bytes NFS block size 8KBytes Increasing hard disk speed by using hdparm Hope this is helpful. Asaf On Feb 19, 2008 1:02 PM, Rob Sutherland wrote: > I'm trying to nail down an NFS problem that seems to > be related to load and one of the recommendations in > the NFS Howto is to increase the number of NFS server > instances, which are currently at the default, 8. > Anyone have a rule of thumb for the number of > instances? > > The Howto also recommends looking at the statistics in > the /proc/net/rpc/nfsd file. I'm not really sure how > to interperet these numbers, can anyone point me to an > explanation? > > Thanks, > > Rob > > > > Rob Sutherland > > 'I is Popeye O'Borg. > Yez will be askimigulated' > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- "I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." - Richard P. Feynman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 20:38:03 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:38:03 -0800 Subject: Debian unstable upgrade In-Reply-To: <200802191232.50839.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200802191232.50839.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: On Feb 19, 2008 9:32 AM, Merv Curley wrote: > At one time I used some apt-get option to carry on an upgrade I believe, but > it isn't in my memory bank or notes. You can twiddle bits on and off in /var/lib/dpkg/info to get further... > Perhaps an upgrade to unstable and then a dist-upgrade is a better idea? > Since nothing has happened to Etch yet, I could just quit, do the upgrade and > it would use the files already downloaded? Then do a dist-upgrade if all is > well? I *never* use 'upgrade'. Always use 'dist-upgrade'. This is considered the "full-upgrade" option, and is actually the new term for newer versions of apt. Older revisions relied on upgrade/dist-upgrade, but these have been deprecated. Now use safe-upgrade/full-upgrade instead. I recommend 'full-upgrade' usage... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- "It has been just so in all my inventions. The first step is an intuition--and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise. This thing gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or failure--is certainly reached" -- Thomas Edison in a letter to Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 20:54:40 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:54:40 -0800 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans In-Reply-To: <47BB0934.6040704-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 19, 2008 8:52 AM, Teddy Mills wrote: > I was wondering if it was possible to have network segmentation without using vlans. > If I have 20 boxes on a switch, I do not want any of the boxes to know about each other. There is some way to use special cables to connect the PCs to the switch so that each computer can only receive signals, rather than send. There is a military term for this setup, but I don't recall the name. If you can looking to secure a few boxes, and the others are hostile, merely place a Layer2 firewall blocking all MAC addresses except those on a whitelist that you specify. Easy enough, right? VLAN is a way to go, but you can still hope VLANs in some cases, especially when you double encapsulate your 802.1x payloads :-) -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- "It has been just so in all my inventions. The first step is an intuition--and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise. This thing gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or failure--is certainly reached" -- Thomas Edison in a letter to Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sutherland_rob-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 21:24:48 2008 From: sutherland_rob-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:24:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: NFS server - /proc/net/rpc/nfsd In-Reply-To: <49e826e90802191214g547262bcj2f7c9ccb1f899f78-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <49e826e90802191214g547262bcj2f7c9ccb1f899f78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <315673.90006.qm@web65414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- Asaf Maruf wrote: > Hi > Here are some tips you could use to improve overall > performance: > Thanks Asaf - those all look like good tips. One thing I've noticed is that after I bump the number of server instances to 32 and did a 'cat /proc/net/rpc/nfsd' the th line still showed only 8 entries rather than 32. Is there any way to get it show the stats on all 32 instances? Rob Rob Sutherland 'I is Popeye O'Borg. Yez will be askimigulated' ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 21:25:47 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:25:47 -0500 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans In-Reply-To: References: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BB495B.5080404@rogers.com> Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > On Feb 19, 2008 8:52 AM, Teddy Mills wrote: >> I was wondering if it was possible to have network segmentation without using vlans. >> If I have 20 boxes on a switch, I do not want any of the boxes to know about each other. > > There is some way to use special cables to connect the PCs to the > switch so that each computer can only receive signals, rather than > send. There is a military term for this setup, but I don't recall the > name. If you can looking to secure a few boxes, and the others are > hostile, merely place a Layer2 firewall blocking all MAC addresses > except those on a whitelist that you specify. Easy enough, right? > VLAN is a way to go, but you can still hope VLANs in some cases, > especially when you double encapsulate your 802.1x payloads :-) Given the hand shaking that goes on between the switch and a device plugged into it, I doubt it as the device couldn't connect to the switch. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 21:34:58 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:34:58 -0800 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans In-Reply-To: <47BB495B.5080404-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> <47BB495B.5080404@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Feb 19, 2008 1:25 PM, James Knott wrote: > Given the hand shaking that goes on between the switch and a device > plugged into it, I doubt it as the device couldn't connect to the switch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidirectional_network -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- "It has been just so in all my inventions. The first step is an intuition--and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise. This thing gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or failure--is certainly reached" -- Thomas Edison in a letter to Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 21:58:58 2008 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:58:58 -0500 Subject: NFS server - /proc/net/rpc/nfsd In-Reply-To: <315673.90006.qm-DdmFUq92KhX5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <49e826e90802191214g547262bcj2f7c9ccb1f899f78@mail.gmail.com> <315673.90006.qm@web65414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49e826e90802191358g7c81318co4c4cfb01fb8eb8fb@mail.gmail.com> Hello Rob Did you restart nfs after changing the number of threads (RPCNFSDCOUNT). The threads are activated on a per request basis and will reach a maximum of 32 in your case. I am not sure if that will show the new number of threads via /proc. Asaf On Feb 19, 2008 4:24 PM, Rob Sutherland wrote: > > --- Asaf Maruf wrote: > > > Hi > > Here are some tips you could use to improve overall > > performance: > > > > Thanks Asaf - those all look like good tips. One thing > I've noticed is that after I bump the number of server > instances to 32 and did a 'cat /proc/net/rpc/nfsd' the > th line still showed only 8 entries rather than 32. Is > there any way to get it show the stats on all 32 > instances? > > Rob > > > Rob Sutherland > > 'I is Popeye O'Borg. > Yez will be askimigulated' > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 19 23:11:29 2008 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:11:29 -0500 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans In-Reply-To: <47BB1898.1080807-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> <49833ce40802190924k426531cbld15cd7e417762d53@mail.gmail.com> <47BB1898.1080807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080219231128.GG24830@adb.ca> Teddy Mills wrote: > > Standard 24 port switch. > Some 20 servers on it. > > I want all 20 servers not to 'see' each others traffic at all. > All 20 servers are on the same subnet. (ack) There's a Cisco feature for that, but you'd need a Cisco managed switch with that feature in order to have it. Basically it lets you let each host see the router (or other designated super-host), and it see each host, but no packets can flow between hosts. This feature can be used to allow several hosts to talk to NFS storage while not having a backdoor network to each other, or to allow a backup or admin server to talk to several colo servers without that being a backdoor network between those colo servers. Unfortunately I don't recall what the feature is called, or the IOS incantation that causes it, because the shops that were using it split server admin from net admin and I didn't get to touch the switches myself. Note that even in the normal case, a switch routes normal unicast traffic directly to the destination port without it touching the other ports, so only broadcast traffic is seen by all hosts. There are unfortunately games that can be played with forged ARP packets and the like if a host wants to hijack a neighbour's traffic, though. Going to separate subnets (perchance with an 802.1q VLAN switch and trunking to an 802.1q-enabled Linux router) would be another option. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 00:03:48 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:03:48 -0500 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans In-Reply-To: References: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> <47BB495B.5080404@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47BB6E64.6030407@rogers.com> Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > On Feb 19, 2008 1:25 PM, James Knott wrote: > >> Given the hand shaking that goes on between the switch and a device >> plugged into it, I doubt it as the device couldn't connect to the switch. >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidirectional_network > And from that: "However protocols normally used over network connections, such as TCP/IP , that require acknowledgments to be sent back, cannot be used over a unidirectional network. This prevents a large number of programs from being able to function normally over such a network. Importantly the Unidirectional Network does not prevent viruses or other malicious programs from being transferred on to the high network and compromising the integrity and availability of the data. Furthermore since the low side cannot receive data from the high side, it can never reliably establish that data has been successfully transferred^[1] ." As I mentioned, there is hand shaking that goes on, when a device is plugged into a switch. This is called the link integrity test. Also, most equipment now performs auto-negotiation, to determine speed & duplex etc. How will either of these work, if one device can't hear the other? -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 00:13:42 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:13:42 -0800 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans In-Reply-To: <47BB6E64.6030407-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> <47BB495B.5080404@rogers.com> <47BB6E64.6030407@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Feb 19, 2008 4:03 PM, James Knott wrote: > "However protocols normally used over network connections, such as > TCP/IP , that require > acknowledgments to be > sent back, cannot be used over a unidirectional network. This prevents a > large number of programs from being able to function normally over such > a network. Importantly the Unidirectional Network does not prevent > viruses or other malicious programs from being transferred on to the > high network and compromising the integrity and availability of the > data. Furthermore since the low side cannot receive data from the high > side, it can never reliably establish that data has been successfully > transferred^[1] > ." Of course this is true for TCP, but I got the sense we were talking about layer2. At that level, you send out data, and it hits the port, causing the switch to cache the source ARP address. You don't need info to return. Let's pretend it was a stock ticking server, and all it did was pump out the data form this host. There is no need to have return communication... > As I mentioned, there is hand shaking that goes on, when a device is > plugged into a switch. This is called the link integrity test. Also, > most equipment now performs auto-negotiation, to determine speed & > duplex etc. How will either of these work, if one device can't hear the > other? You don't need to enable auto-negotiation. You can very easily set the link speed using a variety of tools used in your Linux distro :-) Additionally, there are many wires in a standard CAT6 cable. Quiz: Which wires could you eliminate and still send data out, even linking properly to a switch using manual negotiation? :-) Are you sure it is not possible, or are you merely stating a claim which you have not verified... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- "It has been just so in all my inventions. The first step is an intuition--and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise. This thing gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or failure--is certainly reached" -- Thomas Edison in a letter to Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 00:48:18 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:48:18 -0500 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans In-Reply-To: References: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> <47BB495B.5080404@rogers.com> <47BB6E64.6030407@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47BB78D2.4000604@rogers.com> Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > >> As I mentioned, there is hand shaking that goes on, when a device is >> plugged into a switch. This is called the link integrity test. Also, >> most equipment now performs auto-negotiation, to determine speed & >> duplex etc. How will either of these work, if one device can't hear the >> other? >> > > You don't need to enable auto-negotiation. You can very easily set > the link speed using a variety of tools used in your Linux distro :-) > Additionally, there are many wires in a standard CAT6 cable. Quiz: > Which wires could you eliminate and still send data out, even linking > properly to a switch using manual negotiation? :-) Are you sure it > is not possible, or are you merely stating a claim which you have not > verified... > Please read again that part about the link integrity test. It is performed periodically. If there's no response the line is considered disconnected. Will Linux or any other OS send or receive data on a disconnected ethernet port? I based my post on "Ethernet - The Definitive Guide", by Charles E. Spurgeon, published by O'Reilly, on page 132 for the link integrity test "10BASE-T transceivers continually monitor the receive data path for activity as a means of checking whether the link is working correctly. The transceivers also send a link test signal to one another to verify the integrity of both twisted-pair links". Information on auto-negotiation starts on page 85. I have known about both for many years. It's the link integrity test, that allows the NIC connect light to turn on. I am quite familiar with ethernet wiring. Pairs 1 & 3 (pins 4&5 and 1&2) are the minimum required for ethernet to work. As I mentioned above, without that link integrity test succeeding, data will not be sent. Also, if you just want to monitor you can use a hub or a special device called an ethernet tap. Also, some switches can configure a port as a monitor for other ports. Linux, in the 2.4 kernel, provided a way to turn off the transmitter, while still receiving. I don't know if that feature is present in 2.6. Incidentally, I'm employed as a senior technician for a company that does specialized work for telecommunications companies, such as Bell, Telus and Allstream. A part of my work involves networking, including routers, switches, VoIP and PPP links. My career, in both telecommunications & computers, spans almost 36 years and I also studied electrical engineering at Ryerson. I do have some idea of what I'm talking about, even without referring to texts. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 00:58:18 2008 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:58:18 -0500 Subject: Debian unstable upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <200802191232.50839.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <200802191958.19134.mervc@eol.ca> On Tuesday 19 February 2008 15:38, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > On Feb 19, 2008 9:32 AM, Merv Curley wrote: > > At one time I used some apt-get option to carry on an upgrade I believe, > > but it isn't in my memory bank or notes. > > You can twiddle bits on and off in /var/lib/dpkg/info to get further... > Finally I got a message suggesting the use of apt-get -f install to continue. That got me a bit further along, now I have a problem with the glibc in Etch not having a script so it can be upgraded. Complicated error messages, its' become a mess. > > I *never* use 'upgrade'. Always use 'dist-upgrade'. Well I have 2 computers upgraded to 'unstable' here, one done several months ago and my wifes' 2 weeks ago. All starting from the same Etch CD. I haven't done an upgrade, just dist-upgrade for the last few years, moving to testing, sid or unstable. I just dl'd the testing CD, I'll install that and see if I can dist-upgrade to unstable from there. Thanks for the message and history. regards -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Debian Sid Linux Desktop KDE 3.5.7 KMail 1.9.5 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 01:21:46 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:21:46 -0800 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans In-Reply-To: <47BB78D2.4000604-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> <47BB495B.5080404@rogers.com> <47BB6E64.6030407@rogers.com> <47BB78D2.4000604@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Feb 19, 2008 4:48 PM, James Knott wrote: > Please read again that part about the link integrity test. It is > performed periodically. If there's no response the line is considered > disconnected. Will Linux or any other OS send or receive data on a > disconnected ethernet port? > > I based my post on "Ethernet - The Definitive Guide", by Charles E. > Spurgeon, published by O'Reilly, on page 132 for the link integrity test > "10BASE-T transceivers continually monitor the receive data path for > activity as a means of checking whether the link is working correctly. > The transceivers also send a link test signal to one another to verify > the integrity of both twisted-pair links". Information on > auto-negotiation starts on page 85. I have known about both for many > years. It's the link integrity test, that allows the NIC connect light > to turn on. > > I am quite familiar with ethernet wiring. Pairs 1 & 3 (pins 4&5 and > 1&2) are the minimum required for ethernet to work. As I mentioned > above, without that link integrity test succeeding, data will not be sent. > > Also, if you just want to monitor you can use a hub or a special device > called an ethernet tap. Also, some switches can configure a port as a > monitor for other ports. Linux, in the 2.4 kernel, provided a way to > turn off the transmitter, while still receiving. I don't know if that > feature is present in 2.6. > > > Incidentally, I'm employed as a senior technician for a company that > does specialized work for telecommunications companies, such as Bell, > Telus and Allstream. A part of my work involves networking, including > routers, switches, VoIP and PPP links. My career, in both > telecommunications & computers, spans almost 36 years and I also studied > electrical engineering at Ryerson. I do have some idea of what I'm > talking about, even without referring to texts. Maybe I should buy you a beer next time I come into town :-) I also have background education in Electrical Engineering, in addition to a degree in Computer Science, but not nearly as much industry experience. Sounds like you could be my Dad! Maybe the wise old sage could slap some sense into me at a future conference encounter...heh -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- "It has been just so in all my inventions. The first step is an intuition--and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise. This thing gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or failure--is certainly reached" -- Thomas Edison in a letter to Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 02:32:26 2008 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:32:26 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 7.10 and COmpiz Message-ID: <47BB913A.2060607@totaltravelmarketing.com> Hi list, I have upgraded my home computer from 7.04 to 7.10, and everything worked ok, I wanted to try the compiz thing, and I uploaded the packages, including the core, manager, plugins. I also configured my ATI Radeon x1600 crad with the latest driver from ATI, and the screen manager shows me that my graphic card is fglrx, I had to disabled thie driver from the black list file, but I can't turn on the special effects, it keeps telling me that it can't enable them, not even the basic ones, I can see the compiz manager configured already but it's not working. Not sure if the ATI drives are properly configured, as I still see MESA when I run the fglxinfo program. Any advice would be welcome Thanks Jose -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 02:49:44 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:49:44 -0800 Subject: Ubuntu 7.10 and COmpiz In-Reply-To: <47BB913A.2060607-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <47BB913A.2060607@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: On Feb 19, 2008 6:32 PM, Jose wrote: > I have upgraded my home computer from 7.04 to 7.10, and everything > worked ok, I wanted to try the compiz thing, and I uploaded the > packages, including the core, manager, plugins. I also configured my ATI > Radeon x1600 crad with the latest driver from ATI, and the screen > manager shows > me that my graphic card is fglrx, I had to disabled thie driver from the > black list file, but I can't turn on the special effects, it keeps > telling me that it can't enable them, not even the basic ones, I can see > the compiz manager configured already but it's not working. > > Not sure if the ATI drives are properly configured, as I still see MESA > when I run the fglxinfo program. > > Any advice would be welcome On Ubuntu, if your card is supported by the drivers in the repositories, all you need to do is this... $ sudo resticted-manager ...now check the box for your video card, modprobe, and restart Xorg (or just reboot) System -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Visual Effects -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- "It has been just so in all my inventions. The first step is an intuition--and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise. This thing gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or failure--is certainly reached" -- Thomas Edison in a letter to Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From paul-s7S4Dk53uTw at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 03:29:21 2008 From: paul-s7S4Dk53uTw at public.gmane.org (Paul van Fraassen) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:29:21 -0500 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans In-Reply-To: References: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> <47BB495B.5080404@rogers.com> <47BB6E64.6030407@rogers.com> <47BB78D2.4000604@rogers.com> Message-ID: <49833ce40802191929p4f4e72edr2277993000f37b53@mail.gmail.com> Hey Guys It clear that you have pretty advanced understandings of networking and ethernet and plenty of experience to go with it but aren't we getting a bit academic here? Sure, if someone has a "server" that only needs to send out unidirectional traffic we could look at this kind of a set-up but, what are the odds that this is a case with 20 servers that would work with that kind of set-up? I didn't go down the firewall and kernel config roads because I made the assumption that part of the reason for the isolation might be that the poster didn't necessarily fully trust or have "complete control" over everything on all the 20 servers and thus wanted the separation to be in the network design (yes these are my assumptions not based on the post). Now, having said that I love the techie thought experiment as much as anybody so, don't think I'm dis-ing any of what you've added to the thread I'm not. I don't have the degrees and I don't let anyone call me the expert/guru etc but in my almost 20 years in networking nerdom the only times I've see these kind of advanced hacking configs is in intrusion detection boxes, labs and classrooms; have you any examples of other production environments where this sort of thing has been needed ? Oh, and although I loath to point it out, the poster didn't say they were "all linux" servers. (OK, you can flame me for that :-) -PvF On 2/19/08, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > > On Feb 19, 2008 4:48 PM, James Knott wrote: > > Please read again that part about the link integrity test. It is > > performed periodically. If there's no response the line is considered > > disconnected. Will Linux or any other OS send or receive data on a > > disconnected ethernet port? > > > > I based my post on "Ethernet - The Definitive Guide", by Charles E. > > Spurgeon, published by O'Reilly, on page 132 for the link integrity test > > "10BASE-T transceivers continually monitor the receive data path for > > activity as a means of checking whether the link is working correctly. > > The transceivers also send a link test signal to one another to verify > > the integrity of both twisted-pair links". Information on > > auto-negotiation starts on page 85. I have known about both for many > > years. It's the link integrity test, that allows the NIC connect light > > to turn on. > > > > I am quite familiar with ethernet wiring. Pairs 1 & 3 (pins 4&5 and > > 1&2) are the minimum required for ethernet to work. As I mentioned > > above, without that link integrity test succeeding, data will not be > sent. > > > > Also, if you just want to monitor you can use a hub or a special device > > called an ethernet tap. Also, some switches can configure a port as a > > monitor for other ports. Linux, in the 2.4 kernel, provided a way to > > turn off the transmitter, while still receiving. I don't know if that > > feature is present in 2.6. > > > > > > Incidentally, I'm employed as a senior technician for a company that > > does specialized work for telecommunications companies, such as Bell, > > Telus and Allstream. A part of my work involves networking, including > > routers, switches, VoIP and PPP links. My career, in both > > telecommunications & computers, spans almost 36 years and I also studied > > electrical engineering at Ryerson. I do have some idea of what I'm > > talking about, even without referring to texts. > > Maybe I should buy you a beer next time I come into town :-) I also > have background education in Electrical Engineering, in addition to a > degree in Computer Science, but not nearly as much industry > experience. Sounds like you could be my Dad! Maybe the wise old sage > could slap some sense into me at a future conference encounter...heh > -- > Kristian Erik Hermansen > -- > "It has been just so in all my inventions. The first step is an > intuition--and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise. This thing > gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and > difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious > watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or > failure--is certainly reached" -- Thomas Edison in a letter to > Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for the message and history. > Could also be that "unstable" is currently broken at the moment, I've had that happen to me in the past often enough - guess that's why it's called "unstable"! :) Try waiting a few hours or until tomorrow to try again - usually unstable is never left broken for too long unless you happen to catch it in the middle of a major upgrade (glibc, gcc, etc.). Regards, Salman Ahmed ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 04:42:14 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:42:14 -0800 Subject: Debian unstable upgrade In-Reply-To: <930390.15712.qm-szudfNKhxNiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <200802191958.19134.mervc@eol.ca> <930390.15712.qm@web51810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Feb 19, 2008 7:48 PM, asdf wrote: > Could also be that "unstable" is currently broken at the moment, I've had that > happen to me in the past often enough - guess that's why it's called "unstable"! :) > > Try waiting a few hours or until tomorrow to try again - usually unstable is never > left broken for too long unless you happen to catch it in the middle of a major > upgrade (glibc, gcc, etc.). And if you really dare, go "experimental" :-) -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- "It has been just so in all my inventions. The first step is an intuition--and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise. This thing gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or failure--is certainly reached" -- Thomas Edison in a letter to Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 13:05:23 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:05:23 -0500 Subject: share published printers FC4? Message-ID: <47BC2593.9090908@chrisaitken.net> Is there a 'share published printers' checkbox in the cups that comes in FC4? I don't see the checkbox in localhost:631/admin I can't print remotely (from another computer in my LAN) to the printer (attached to the FC4 machine) and that is usually the problem. However, this is an older OS so I don't know if it has that checkbox. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 16:07:59 2008 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:07:59 -0500 Subject: OT: Buying Stock In-Reply-To: <47BA1D85.4060600-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> <47B637A7.9070100@rogers.com> <47B73F61.4070309@chrisaitken.net> <333C4802564C8A4D95F96376ED11830E6F1AB9@r2d2.coleo.com> <47BA1D85.4060600@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <49e826e90802200807qb2900d3i3f5f5d8eaf40f49f@mail.gmail.com> I think i did not make my point clear. I maintain that for a person to venture into buying and selling stocks, one has to be very well prepared. There is too much risk involved. Alternately, one can go with the less risky instruments like GIC's, mutual funds and other government securities. Not much preparation is required except for knowing your fund manager and details of the instrument. They can give a decent return of 10-15% on average. Asaf On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 7:06 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > David Kreuter wrote: > > back to linux topics perhaps? > > ... he wrote, with a "winmail.dat" attachment :) The subject line is > marked "OT" for a reason. > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis Corporation > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- "I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." - Richard P. 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Dave On 20-Feb-08, at 11:07 AM, Asaf Maruf wrote: > I think i did not make my point clear. I maintain that for a person > to venture into buying and selling stocks, one has to be very well > prepared. There is too much risk involved. > > > Alternately, one can go with the less risky instruments like GIC's, > mutual funds and other government securities. Not much preparation > is required except for knowing your fund manager and details of the > instrument. > > They can give a decent return of 10-15% on average. > > > Asaf > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 7:06 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY > wrote: > David Kreuter wrote: > > back to linux topics perhaps? > > ... he wrote, with a "winmail.dat" attachment :) The subject line is > marked "OT" for a reason. > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis Corporation > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 16:19:15 2008 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:19:15 -0500 Subject: OT: Buying Stock In-Reply-To: <49e826e90802200807qb2900d3i3f5f5d8eaf40f49f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> <47BA1D85.4060600@dinamis.com> <49e826e90802200807qb2900d3i3f5f5d8eaf40f49f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200802201119.15956.glayng@sympatico.ca> On Wednesday 20 February 2008 11:07, Asaf Maruf wrote: > I think i did not make my point clear. I maintain that for a person to > venture into buying and selling stocks, one has to be very well prepared. > There is too much risk involved. > > > Alternately, one can go with the less risky instruments like GIC's, mutual > funds and other government securities. Not much preparation is required > except for knowing your fund manager and details of the instrument. > > They can give a decent return of 10-15% on average. > > > Asaf > Um, no. First, with mutual funds YOU ARE BUYING STOCK. It's just you're counting on a more knowledgeable person making the choices for you. The risks are still there - plenty of funds end up going into the toilet - for example the ethical funds, which with only a couple of exceptions have tended to tank. Plus, you have the fund management fees scalping you. GIC's and government securities do NOT offer 10-15% returns. The relatively low level of risk doesn't justify it. In the case of GIC's, you are guaranteed a certain rate of return over a set period of time. Your return is less than the interest rate the bank or whatever issuing body gets on the loans and mortgages they give out. (They have to make a profit after all - they're not a charity!) As for government securities, because the level of risk is least for this, they will be able to get away with minimal rates of return, just barely above inflation. -- there's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 16:24:17 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:24:17 -0500 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans In-Reply-To: <49833ce40802191929p4f4e72edr2277993000f37b53-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> <47BB495B.5080404@rogers.com> <47BB6E64.6030407@rogers.com> <47BB78D2.4000604@rogers.com> <49833ce40802191929p4f4e72edr2277993000f37b53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BC5431.8060004@rogers.com> Paul van Fraassen wrote: > Hey Guys > It clear that you have pretty advanced understandings of networking and > ethernet and plenty of experience > to go with it but aren't we getting a bit academic here? > Sure, if someone has a "server" that only needs to send out > unidirectional traffic we could look at this kind of a set-up > but, what are the odds that this is a case with 20 servers that would > work with that kind of set-up? > I didn't go down the firewall and kernel config roads because I made the > assumption that part of the reason for the isolation > might be that the poster didn't necessarily fully trust or have > "complete control" over everything on all the 20 servers > and thus wanted the separation to be in the network design (yes these > are my assumptions not based on the post). > Now, having said that I love the techie thought experiment as much as > anybody so, don't think I'm dis-ing any of what you've added to the thread > I'm not. I don't have the degrees and I don't let anyone call me the > expert/guru etc but in my almost 20 years in networking nerdom the only > times > I've see these kind of advanced hacking configs is in intrusion > detection boxes, labs and classrooms; have you any examples of other > production environments > where this sort of thing has been needed ? > Oh, and although I loath to point it out, the poster didn't say they > were "all linux" servers. (OK, you can flame me for that :-) If you've been following the thread, you'll see that what was proposed is impossible, without some sort of external method to accomplish it. There's nothing you can do, on the computer, short of MAC filtering that will accomplish such isolation. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 17:42:39 2008 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:42:39 -0500 Subject: Debian unstable upgrade In-Reply-To: <930390.15712.qm-szudfNKhxNiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <930390.15712.qm@web51810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200802201242.39587.mervc@eol.ca> On Tuesday 19 February 2008 22:48, asdf wrote: > > Could also be that "unstable" is currently broken at the moment, I've had > that happen to me in the past often enough - guess that's why it's called > "unstable"! :) > Thanks Salman, that never occurred to me. I guess that it is because I didn't have this experience before. Upgrades have just worked. > I did add 'experimental' once, never did a dist-upgrade, I just wanted one package and hoped it would work. I don't remember now if it did or I ended up compiling the application. I'm not savvy enough to get out of minor problems let alone some major ones, I''ll leave experimental to the experimenters. Thanks all -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Debian Sid Linux Desktop KDE 3.5.7 KMail 1.9.5 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 17:42:42 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:42:42 -0500 Subject: OT: Buying Stock In-Reply-To: <49e826e90802200807qb2900d3i3f5f5d8eaf40f49f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> <47B637A7.9070100@rogers.com> <47B73F61.4070309@chrisaitken.net> <333C4802564C8A4D95F96376ED11830E6F1AB9@r2d2.coleo.com> <47BA1D85.4060600@dinamis.com> <49e826e90802200807qb2900d3i3f5f5d8eaf40f49f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BC6692.3090300@rogers.com> Asaf Maruf wrote: > I think i did not make my point clear. I maintain that for a person to > venture into buying and selling stocks, one has to be very well > prepared. There is too much risk involved. > > > Alternately, one can go with the less risky instruments like GIC's, > mutual funds and other government securities. Not much preparation is > required except for knowing your fund manager and details of the instrument. > > They can give a decent return of 10-15% on average. Well, you could have bought SCOXQ.PK last week and multiplied your money 6x by now! ;-) You can smell the stench all the way here from Lindon Utah. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 18:07:05 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:05 +0000 Subject: OT: Buying Stock In-Reply-To: <49e826e90802200807qb2900d3i3f5f5d8eaf40f49f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47B62BC0.1030705@chrisaitken.net> <47B637A7.9070100@rogers.com> <47B73F61.4070309@chrisaitken.net> <333C4802564C8A4D95F96376ED11830E6F1AB9@r2d2.coleo.com> <47BA1D85.4060600@dinamis.com> <49e826e90802200807qb2900d3i3f5f5d8eaf40f49f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/20/08, Asaf Maruf wrote: > I think i did not make my point clear. I maintain that for a person to > venture into buying and selling stocks, one has to be very well prepared. > There is too much risk involved. That is missing two other forms of risks that you seem willing to ignore: 1. Interest rate risk. Interest rates have a habit of going up and down. Your philosophy ignores that. 2. Inflation rate risk. If you stay in "seemingly risk-free" investments, you can find the value of the investment chewed up by inflation. People sometimes choose to fail to perceive these risks, but that does not make them go away. > Alternately, one can go with the less risky instruments like GIC's, mutual > funds and other government securities. Not much preparation is required > except for knowing your fund manager and details of the instrument. > > They can give a decent return of 10-15% on average. Huh? Tell me where I can average HALF that. ACTUAL GIC rates are ranging between 2.5% and 3.35%. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 19:52:59 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:52:59 -0500 Subject: Penguicon v6.0 Message-ID: <1f13df280802201152l781b2d9ehfa2e7a08ce98344b@mail.gmail.com> I have no affiliation with this convention and I'm not receiving a kickback for posting this: I just like the idea. And this year I'll be able to go! To clarify: there's a lot of overlap between fans of OSS and SF, this is the sixth year for this convention, and Troy is essentially a suburb of Detroit. Penguicon 6.0 Convention of Science Fiction and Open Source Software April 18-20, 2008 - Hilton, Troy MI Tech Guest of Honor: Jono Bacon, Ubuntu Community Manager for Canonical Tech Guest of Honor: Benjamin Mako Hill - Debian/GNU, MIT Media Lab, Free Software Foundation, Ubuntu, Wikimedia Author Guest of Honor: Vernor Vinge, Multiple Hugo winning science fiction author, computing visionary Author Guest of Honor: Tamora Pierce, fantasy author, co-founder of Sheroes Central Webcomics Guest of Honor: Randall Munroe of xkcd Gaming Guest of Honor: Keith Baker, creator of Ebberon world for Dungeons and Dragons Hack of Honor: The Giant Singing Tesla Coils New 120-player LAN party at MPCon! http://penguicon.org/ -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 20:39:27 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:39:27 -0800 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans In-Reply-To: <47BC5431.8060004-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> <47BB495B.5080404@rogers.com> <47BB6E64.6030407@rogers.com> <47BB78D2.4000604@rogers.com> <49833ce40802191929p4f4e72edr2277993000f37b53@mail.gmail.com> <47BC5431.8060004@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Feb 20, 2008 8:24 AM, James Knott wrote: > There's nothing you can do, on the computer, short of MAC filtering that > will accomplish such isolation. And this is also what I suggested in the same first email to the poster. I think it is the easiest solution to implement as well... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- "It has been just so in all my inventions. The first step is an intuition--and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise. This thing gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or failure--is certainly reached" -- Thomas Edison in a letter to Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 21:31:07 2008 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:31:07 -0500 Subject: Funny Craigslist Job Ad Message-ID: <030601c87407$e7db4840$b791d8c0$@com> LMAO. This proves that geeks have a sense of humor.. http://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/sad/580751963.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Kpanchoo-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 20 22:58:56 2008 From: Kpanchoo-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Kerry Panchoo) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:58:56 -0500 Subject: OT: I'm Thinking of Switching to Acanac ISP In-Reply-To: <3263242b0802160541p667c3cf5lcfb49523bc9b7769-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47B4C5C8.5080304@utoronto.ca> <3263242b0802150715s64ff776aw5b8f645c00f22ce8@mail.gmail.com> <877ih52j10.fsf@azurservers.com> <3263242b0802160541p667c3cf5lcfb49523bc9b7769@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BCB0B0.1080406@rogers.com> just curious- how much are you paying for your 28Mbit connection? (you can email me directly) i've got a 10Mbit from toronto hydro the beeline test gives me 181K/s 1448Kbps Speakeasy - New York 9353kbps down 5762 up bandwitrh place: 5.67Mbit/s 6.92.18kbps thanks, K Jeff Liu wrote: > Hi Ivan, > > Here are my bandwidth test results, > > 1. Beeline: 128 K/s (1024Kbps) > 2. CNET: 1653.2 Kbps > 3. http://www.bandwidthplace.com/, 286.23kilobytes per second. > 4. http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/, choose server in New York, > download 4329kbps, upload 662kbp, > > Cheers, > Jeff > > On Feb 16, 2008 7:16 AM, Slackrat wrote: >> "Jeff Liu" a ?crit profondement: >> >> | Hi Ivan, >> | >> | I have been using Acanac DSL at home since Aug, 2007 and I have not >> | had any problem. I don't know if their support is good or not since >> | the DSL line has been good and I have not called their technical >> | support yet. >> | >> >> Just for interest, what is your bandwidth? >> >> It seems to vary greatly here >> >> Here are some results from http://www.beelinebandwidthtest.com/ which >> is locate in in Nieuwegein, Nederlands. >> >> And although my box comes up number 2, I still consider it pretty >> shabby since I pay for a 28 Mega connection >> >> 1 modemcable058.115-203-24.mc.videotron.ca 4091 K/s 01:16:20 >> 2 azurservers.com 636 K/s 04:47:22 >> 3 host-85-27-5-166.brutele.be 421 K/s 09:38:52 >> 4 ip-42.net-89-3-162.rev.numericable.fr 347 K/s 00:22:45 >> 5 184-206-114-79.rdspt.ro 322 K/s 12:03:01 >> 6 m161.net85-168-246.noos.fr 275 K/s 00:08:56 >> 7 i01v-62-34-245-103.d4.club-internet.fr 209 K/s 00:14:43 >> 8 bas1-montreal02-1096716872.dsl.bell.ca 178 K/s 04:24:38 >> 9 cnq92-157.cablevision.qc.ca 156 K/s 07:03:28 >> 10 69-4-211-60.mediom.qc.ca 150 K/s 04:24:30 >> 11 modemcable246.234-82-70.mc.videotron.ca 135 K/s 06:50:08 >> 12 bas10-montrealak-1096753249.dsl.bell.ca 99 K/s 04:31:11 >> 13 089159070043.chello.fr 89 K/s 12:47:07 >> 14 129.73.200-77.rev.gaoland.net 81 K/s 11:25:50 >> 15 c75.152.30-69.clta.globetrotter.net 78 K/s 00:28:42 >> 16 118.173.153.103 61 K/s 04:05:49 >> 17 ABordeaux-257-1-3-87.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr 35 K/s 13:02:37 >> 18 79.82.14.90 28 K/s 02:43:41 >> 19 165.134-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 19 K/s 09:09:39 >> 20 83.229.15.58 8 K/s 08:31:23 >> >> Comments? >> >> -- >> SlackRat >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 21 00:21:38 2008 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:21:38 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 7.10 and COmpiz In-Reply-To: References: <47BB913A.2060607@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <47BCC412.6080605@totaltravelmarketing.com> Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > On Feb 19, 2008 6:32 PM, Jose wrote: >> I have upgraded my home computer from 7.04 to 7.10, and everything >> worked ok, I wanted to try the compiz thing, and I uploaded the >> packages, including the core, manager, plugins. I also configured my ATI >> Radeon x1600 crad with the latest driver from ATI, and the screen >> manager shows >> me that my graphic card is fglrx, I had to disabled thie driver from the >> black list file, but I can't turn on the special effects, it keeps >> telling me that it can't enable them, not even the basic ones, I can see >> the compiz manager configured already but it's not working. >> >> Not sure if the ATI drives are properly configured, as I still see MESA >> when I run the fglxinfo program. >> >> Any advice would be welcome > > On Ubuntu, if your card is supported by the drivers in the > repositories, all you need to do is this... > $ sudo resticted-manager > ...now check the box for your video card, modprobe, and restart Xorg > (or just reboot) > System -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Visual Effects Hi I can see on the restricted section that it's say the drive is enabled and I only had to check the checkbox to enable it, after rebooting, I go to appearance section, then visual effects and I keep getting that the effects could not be enable message, I have looked on the logs, but nothing is showing up, any other idea I could try? Thanks again -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 21 03:44:50 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:44:50 -0500 Subject: NFS server - /proc/net/rpc/nfsd In-Reply-To: <49e826e90802191358g7c81318co4c4cfb01fb8eb8fb-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <49e826e90802191214g547262bcj2f7c9ccb1f899f78@mail.gmail.com> <315673.90006.qm@web65414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <49e826e90802191358g7c81318co4c4cfb01fb8eb8fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880802201944x26a0aff2s7cc9212f7f030ea9@mail.gmail.com> Asaf, Thank you for that information. It has been very helpful to me and i'll keep it noted :) On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Asaf Maruf wrote: > Hello Rob > > Did you restart nfs after changing the number of threads (RPCNFSDCOUNT). > > The threads are activated on a per request basis and will reach a maximum of > 32 in your case. I am not sure if that will show the new number of threads > via /proc. > > > Asaf > > > > > On Feb 19, 2008 4:24 PM, Rob Sutherland wrote: > > > > > > --- Asaf Maruf wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > Here are some tips you could use to improve overall > > > performance: > > > > > > > Thanks Asaf - those all look like good tips. One thing > > I've noticed is that after I bump the number of server > > instances to 32 and did a 'cat /proc/net/rpc/nfsd' the > > th line still showed only 8 entries rather than 32. Is > > there any way to get it show the stats on all 32 > > instances? > > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > Rob Sutherland > > > > 'I is Popeye O'Borg. > > Yez will be askimigulated' > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > > -- > "I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much > more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be > wrong." - Richard P. Feynman -- The man who is always a newbie at something, Dave Germiquet Everytime I learn something new, I realize I know very little. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 21 14:35:44 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:35:44 -0500 Subject: Replicating packages on Debian Message-ID: <20080221143544.GA521@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I've been looking for a way to generate a file which contains all the packages installed on a Debian system, so that I can then replicate the system on another machine. Essentially a list that can be used as input for an apt-get install. Has anyone seen anything like this? Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 21 14:53:47 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:53:47 -0500 Subject: Replicating packages on Debian In-Reply-To: <20080221143544.GA521-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20080221143544.GA521@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <47BD907B.5030508@utoronto.ca> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I've been looking for a way to generate a file which contains all the > packages installed on a Debian system, so that I can then replicate the > system on another machine. Essentially a list that can be used as input > for an apt-get install. Has anyone seen anything like this? Thanks. Try dpkg --get-selections -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 21 15:15:57 2008 From: gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (George Nicol) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:15:57 -0500 Subject: Replicating packages on Debian In-Reply-To: <20080221143544.GA521-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20080221143544.GA521@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <47BD95AD.5040202@primus.ca> dpkg --get-selections dpkg --set-selections -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mikesi-ft1kE4FQKTmJ6jDlghZswwC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 21 15:22:23 2008 From: mikesi-ft1kE4FQKTmJ6jDlghZswwC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Mike Sillers) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:22:23 -0500 Subject: Performance problems in Red Hat AS4 probably related to CIFS Message-ID: I'm fairly new at this and am evaluating AS4 as a potential OS to run a Progress database on. It requires that I mount a few Windows shares and shortly after I mount them, the system "pauses" for up to several minutes. I've searched the web for information but this distro seems to be different from others in CIFS and SMB setup. There is no entry for CIFS in the /proc/fs directory nor is there a config file for SMB in the /etc directory. I've found something about others having this problem and seen this suggestion: socket options = TCP_NODELAY IPTOS_LOWDELAY SO_KEEPALIVE SO_RCVBUF=4096 SO_SNDBUF=4096 in smb.conf. Currently I'm running samba3-cifsmount-3.0.26a-35.i386.rpm which I downloaded from ftp.sernet.de/pub/samba/tested/rhel/4/i386 which seems to have improved the situation a bit over the client included with the distro. Here are some of the types of error messages I'm getting: CIFS VFS: No response for cmd 114 mid 7 CIFS VFS: No response for cmd 114 mid 11 CIFS VFS: No response for cmd 114 mid 13 The system mount most affected is NT4 - the 2000 and 2003 seem better - but I am able to access this mount from HP-UX 11i although it does cause occasional timeouts (but nothing like on Linux). Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions I might try? Thanks. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 21 15:31:17 2008 From: matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:31:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Materials from last week's meeting Message-ID: <32654.204.50.186.147.1203607877.squirrel@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> Hi all, I wasn't able to make it to last week's meeting, but I'd be very interested in any materials that are available (slides, notes, etc). Can anyone assist? Thanks, Matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 21 16:57:08 2008 From: gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (George Nicol) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:57:08 -0500 Subject: Replicating packages on Debian In-Reply-To: <47BD95AD.5040202-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080221143544.GA521@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <47BD95AD.5040202@primus.ca> Message-ID: <47BDAD64.7060103@primus.ca> 1) On machine #1: dpkg --get-selections > packages.txt This creates a list of installed (and removed) packages. 2) Do a base install on machine #2. 3) Move packages.txt to machine #2. 4) On machine #2: dpkg --set-selections < packages.txt 5) On machine #2: dselect install 6) Bask in the light of your newly cloned machine. One limitation: If you are running something old, then your packages.txt will not point to the right version of the packages. If you are working with a recent version of your distro, then this is not a problem. Similarly, "backup ubuntu/debian package selection list": http://lglinux.blogspot.com/2007/11/backup-ubuntu-debian-package-selection.html Not what you're looking for, but may be of interest to ubuntu folks or those (like me) who have been faced with installing where the user has only a dialup connection (56k paid for, ~24k delivered): APTonCD: http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/ Blogs about APTonCD: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2006/11/aptoncd-create-backup-of-all-packages.html http://allforlinux.blogspot.com/2008/01/backup-deb-package-synaptic.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 21 17:38:50 2008 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:38:50 -0500 Subject: Replicating packages on Debian In-Reply-To: <47BDAD64.7060103-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080221143544.GA521@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <47BD95AD.5040202@primus.ca> <47BDAD64.7060103@primus.ca> Message-ID: <47BDB72A.9010206@dinamis.com> George Nicol wrote: > 1) On machine #1: > > dpkg --get-selections > packages.txt > > This creates a list of installed (and removed) packages. > > 2) Do a base install on machine #2. > > 3) Move packages.txt to machine #2. > > 4) On machine #2: > > dpkg --set-selections < packages.txt > > 5) On machine #2: > > dselect install > > 6) Bask in the light of your newly cloned machine. > > One limitation: If you are running something old, then your packages.txt > will not point to the right version of the packages. If you are working > with a recent version of your distro, then this is not a problem. I always replace Exim with Postfix. How does this method deal with that situation? -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 21 19:47:10 2008 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:47:10 -0500 Subject: Performance problems in Red Hat AS4 probably related to CIFS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47BDD53E.8070004@gmail.com> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/slow-samba-possible-fix-617270/ I don think it is applicable in your case, but a FYI. Mike Sillers wrote: > I'm fairly new at this and am evaluating AS4 as a potential OS to run > a Progress database on. It requires that I mount a few Windows shares > and shortly after I mount them, the system "pauses" for up to several > minutes. I've searched the web for information but this distro seems > to be different from others in CIFS and SMB setup. There is no entry > for CIFS in the /proc/fs directory nor is there a config file for SMB > in the /etc directory. > > I've found something about others having this problem and seen this > suggestion: > socket options = TCP_NODELAY IPTOS_LOWDELAY SO_KEEPALIVE > SO_RCVBUF=4096 SO_SNDBUF=4096 in smb.conf. > > Currently I'm running samba3-cifsmount-3.0.26a-35.i386.rpm which I > downloaded from ftp.sernet.de/pub/samba/tested/rhel/4/i386 > which seems to have > improved the situation a bit over the client included with the distro. > > Here are some of the types of error messages I'm getting: > CIFS VFS: No response for cmd 114 mid 7 > CIFS VFS: No response for cmd 114 mid 11 > CIFS VFS: No response for cmd 114 mid 13 > > The system mount most affected is NT4 - the 2000 and 2003 seem better > - but I am able to access this mount from HP-UX 11i although it does > cause occasional timeouts (but nothing like on Linux). > > Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions I might try? > > Thanks. > > Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mikesi-ft1kE4FQKTmJ6jDlghZswwC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 21 20:23:54 2008 From: mikesi-ft1kE4FQKTmJ6jDlghZswwC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Mike Sillers) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:23:54 -0500 Subject: Performance problems in Red Hat AS4 probably related to CIFS Message-ID: I suspect you may be right but I'm going to look into it anyway. Any opportunity to learn something new. Thanks. -----Original Message----- Sent: February 21, 2008 2:47 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Performance problems in Red Hat AS4 probably related to CIFS http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/slow-samba-possible- fix-617270/ I don think it is applicable in your case, but a FYI. Mike Sillers wrote: > I'm fairly new at this and am evaluating AS4 as a potential OS to run > a Progress database on. It requires that I mount a few Windows shares > and shortly after I mount them, the system "pauses" for up to several > minutes. I've searched the web for information but this distro seems > to be different from others in CIFS and SMB setup. There is no entry > for CIFS in the /proc/fs directory nor is there a config file for SMB > in the /etc directory. > > I've found something about others having this problem and seen this > suggestion: > socket options = TCP_NODELAY IPTOS_LOWDELAY SO_KEEPALIVE > SO_RCVBUF=4096 SO_SNDBUF=4096 in smb.conf. > > Currently I'm running samba3-cifsmount-3.0.26a-35.i386.rpm which I > downloaded from ftp.sernet.de/pub/samba/tested/rhel/4/i386 > which seems to have > improved the situation a bit over the client included with the distro. > > Here are some of the types of error messages I'm getting: > CIFS VFS: No response for cmd 114 mid 7 > CIFS VFS: No response for cmd 114 mid 11 > CIFS VFS: No response for cmd 114 mid 13 > > The system mount most affected is NT4 - the 2000 and 2003 seem better > - but I am able to access this mount from HP-UX 11i although it does > cause occasional timeouts (but nothing like on Linux). > > Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions I might try? > > Thanks. > > Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 22 01:46:28 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:46:28 -0500 Subject: Xenix FS history lesson please Message-ID: <47BE2974.3030807@alteeve.com> I've been trying to get some documentation done on my program, and I want to have a section on the various file systems. However, I am having next to no luck finding information on, or the differences between, the Xenix '/root' and '/usr' filesystems. I even looked up the old Xenix programming manual (closest I could find to a sysadmin doc) from 1979, but could not find the differences. Anyone here remember anything about those filesystems? (IDs 02h [Xenix /root] and 03h [Xenix /usr]) I'm not worried so much about nitty gritty details, just a high-level idea of what they were and what the differences between those two were. Thanks! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 22 15:31:26 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:31:26 -0500 Subject: Replicating packages on Debian In-Reply-To: <47BDB72A.9010206-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080221143544.GA521@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <47BD95AD.5040202@primus.ca> <47BDAD64.7060103@primus.ca> <47BDB72A.9010206@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20080222153126.GA8920@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:38:50PM -0500, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > George Nicol wrote: >> 1) On machine #1: >> >> dpkg --get-selections > packages.txt >> >> This creates a list of installed (and removed) packages. >> >> 2) Do a base install on machine #2. >> >> 3) Move packages.txt to machine #2. >> >> 4) On machine #2: >> >> dpkg --set-selections < packages.txt Thanks to several who sent the above commands - I failed to RTFM for dpkg - I had focused on apt - and I am grateful for the kind direction to the correct source. >> 5) On machine #2: >> >> dselect install >> >> 6) Bask in the light of your newly cloned machine. I had figured out step 6, but 5 was the missing link - thank you. >> One limitation: If you are running something old, then your packages.txt >> will not point to the right version of the packages. If you are working >> with a recent version of your distro, then this is not a problem. > > I always replace Exim with Postfix. How does this method deal with that > situation? The output of --get-selections has the exim packages set for removal, and the postfix ones for installation. So, the above process works as well as I knew it should. Thanks to all. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 22 15:58:17 2008 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:58:17 -0500 Subject: OT: Multi-highlight in Firefox In-Reply-To: <20080222153825.GB8920-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20080222153825.GB8920@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <7ac602420802220758m5cf8f914sc72a7e2b4af85fdf@mail.gmail.com> I'm not sure how to answer your question directly, but you might want to look at OpenCalais to improve your false positive rate, depending on what kind of terms you're looking for: http://opencalais.mashery.com/ OpenCalais is the newly-opened form of Calais, a web service provided by Reuters that scans through free-form text and returns a marked-up version with people, places, events and something else I'm forgetting highlighted. I think it uses RDF to describe the metadata that it finds. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 22 20:35:55 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:35:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Xenix FS history lesson please In-Reply-To: <47BE2974.3030807-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47BE2974.3030807@alteeve.com> Message-ID: | From: Madison Kelly | However, I am having next to no | luck finding information on, or the differences between, the Xenix '/root' and | '/usr' filesystems. I even looked up the old Xenix programming manual (closest | I could find to a sysadmin doc) from 1979, but could not find the differences. | | Anyone here remember anything about those filesystems? (IDs 02h [Xenix /root] | and 03h [Xenix /usr]) The Wikipedia article on Xenix gives some hints. It suggests that Xenix didn't hit the IBM PC until 1983. That is when it would have started to use the IBM PC partitioning scheme. I have an earlier machine that runs Xenix. Partitioning was not at all like IBM PC partitioning. Those filesystems are probably just Seventh Edition or System III filesystems (I don't remember if those are different). I don't know why the IDs are distinct. Possibly just so that the kernel can more easily find the partition it needs to get started (root's). Those IDs might have been assigned later. I don't know what filesystems Xenix used later. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 22 21:40:15 2008 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:40:15 -0500 Subject: OT text message scam Message-ID: I just got a bill on my cell for 28 TXT messages for 32.50 I didn't sign up for these messages and apparently they are billed by the sender. The number they come from is 33444. This is a good gig. Anyone know anything about this? Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 22 21:47:50 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:47:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: IT360 trade-show-only not free this year Message-ID: I generally go to these shows (Linuxworld, it360, ...) to see the tradeshow part. They have always been free if you registered early enough. I notice that this year it costs $20. I got a mailing with a coupon that lets me register for $15. Have I missed something? This may make an interesting change to the show. We'll see. Or maybe I won't. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dgardiner0821-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 22 23:50:52 2008 From: dgardiner0821-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Daniel Gardiner) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:50:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT text message scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <163587.94309.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Dave Cramer wrote: > I just got a bill on my cell for 28 TXT messages for > 32.50 > > I didn't sign up for these messages and apparently > they are billed by > the sender. > > The number they come from is 33444. > > This is a good gig. Anyone know anything about this? > > Dave Been doing anything on Facebook recently? This link may be relevant: http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=20340348992&topic=3542 in which case, according to the posts, if you text STOP to 33444 it should end. Daniel -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 22 23:56:55 2008 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:56:55 -0500 Subject: OT text message scam In-Reply-To: <163587.94309.qm-PUkK9LDfIAyB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <163587.94309.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 22-Feb-08, at 6:50 PM, Daniel Gardiner wrote: > --- Dave Cramer wrote: > >> I just got a bill on my cell for 28 TXT messages for >> 32.50 >> >> I didn't sign up for these messages and apparently >> they are billed by >> the sender. >> >> The number they come from is 33444. >> >> This is a good gig. Anyone know anything about this? >> >> Dave > > Been doing anything on Facebook recently? This link > may be relevant: > > http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=20340348992&topic=3542 > > in which case, according to the posts, if you text > STOP to 33444 it should end. > Yeah, I read that. Reading all of it; the application developers of that particular application answered saying they didn't use TXT messages. I have replied STOP to the messages, and they haven't stopped. The scary part is they cost over a buck a piece and could be sent to anyone. When I phoned bell they told me they didn't know who the recipient of the money was, they just receive the bill and pass it on to the consumer ( as if ).... She did reverse the charges though. Dave > > Daniel > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 23 00:29:09 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:29:09 -0500 Subject: ooffice? or my problem? Message-ID: I had version 2.0 installed. Now, I installed the newest version, 2.3. something. And I still can not save document in MSWord format! I have simply no that option to choose from. The document is always saved in oo format. And, at work, I have a version of oo 1.something. When I open at work the document saved by oo version 2.something, I get a blank empty page. And dont tell me also that OO is going to replace MS Office. The trouble I experienced when upgrading from version 2 to 2.3 proves that it never ever is going to happen. These big shi*s like Sun will rather always create troyans, and be not interested in doing thing properly for Linux. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 23 00:31:31 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:31:31 -0500 Subject: Needed; A few good ... hal-device dumps. :) Message-ID: <47BF6963.9010007@alteeve.com> Hi all, I am working on the DB schema for my backup program... Specifically, the part on device detection and recognition. This is where I am hoping I can ask TLUG to help me out. What I need is a collection of dumps from HAL. Specially if you have odd/fancy hardware like tape drives, SAN, iSCSI, fiberchannel or other such esoteric hardware attached to your system. To create the dump file, just run: $ hal-device > yourname_hal-device-dump.txt Of course, make the name whatever you want, I just needed an example. If you could then email me a copy of the output file off the list, I would be very much appreciative! If you are security concerned (as we all are), all I care about are URIs related to block devices. Also, delete any hardware serial numbers... they won't matter to me (but do please leave the line intact so I can see what it looks like). Thanks for your help!! Madison TLE-BU: http://tle-bu.org PS: If you'd prefer, I've got a place started on the project website's wiki for storing sample files. It's here: http://wiki.tle-bu.org/index.php/Hal-device_samples -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 23 00:45:10 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:45:10 -0500 Subject: Xenix FS history lesson please In-Reply-To: References: <47BE2974.3030807@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <47BF6C96.1060101@alteeve.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Madison Kelly > > | However, I am having next to no > | luck finding information on, or the differences between, the Xenix '/root' and > | '/usr' filesystems. I even looked up the old Xenix programming manual (closest > | I could find to a sysadmin doc) from 1979, but could not find the differences. > | > | Anyone here remember anything about those filesystems? (IDs 02h [Xenix /root] > | and 03h [Xenix /usr]) > > The Wikipedia article on Xenix gives some hints. It suggests that Xenix > didn't hit the IBM PC until 1983. That is when it would have started > to use the IBM PC partitioning scheme. > > I have an earlier machine that runs Xenix. Partitioning was not at > all like IBM PC partitioning. > > Those filesystems are probably just Seventh Edition or System III > filesystems (I don't remember if those are different). > > I don't know why the IDs are distinct. Possibly just so that the > kernel can more easily find the partition it needs to get started > (root's). > > Those IDs might have been assigned later. I don't know what filesystems > Xenix used later. Thanks for the reply! A friend (off list) dug the following up: * 512MB max size limit * 1024 byte blocks, 64 byte inodes, fixed at 16 inodes per block * very similar to SysV file system (which is also very similar to Coherent, Minix, and other older FSs) * very limited support on linux, provided by 'sysv' FS driver * linux does not understand 'divvy' slices (same concept as BSD slicing up a partition into slices), only the actual FS data itself * partition type 0x2 and 0x3 are the same actual FS on disk * type 0x3 was previously used for /usr (for some reason) but it was deprecated and all Xenix FSs should "now" use 0x2 For my purposes, and at this point in the program's development, that's all I really need. Though, I'd love to expand what I know of it, as information trickles in. I'm trying to get something of a wiki going to cover all the different partition types and file systems. http://wiki.tle-bu.org/index.php/Supported_Filesystems Should you happen to come across anything more, please let me know! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 23 01:38:16 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:38:16 -0500 Subject: ooffice? or my problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47BF7908.70901@rogers.com> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > I had version 2.0 installed. Now, I installed the newest version, 2.3. > something. And I still can not save document in MSWord format! I have > simply no that option to choose from. The document is always saved in > oo format. > > And, at work, I have a version of oo 1.something. When I open at work > the document saved by oo version 2.something, I get a blank empty > page. > > And dont tell me also that OO is going to replace MS Office. The > trouble I experienced when upgrading from version 2 to 2.3 proves that > it never ever is going to happen. > > These big shi*s like Sun will rather always create troyans, and be not > interested in doing thing properly for Linux. > > When you select "Save as", do you not see a drop down list for file type? -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 23 01:51:28 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:51:28 -0500 Subject: ooffice? or my problem? In-Reply-To: <47BF7908.70901-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47BF7908.70901@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:38 PM, James Knott wrote: > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > I had version 2.0 installed. Now, I installed the newest version, 2.3. > > something. And I still can not save document in MSWord format! I have > > simply no that option to choose from. The document is always saved in > > oo format. > > > > And, at work, I have a version of oo 1.something. When I open at work > > the document saved by oo version 2.something, I get a blank empty > > page. > > > > And dont tell me also that OO is going to replace MS Office. The > > trouble I experienced when upgrading from version 2 to 2.3 proves that > > it never ever is going to happen. > > > > These big shi*s like Sun will rather always create troyans, and be not > > interested in doing thing properly for Linux. > > > > > > When you select "Save as", do you not see a drop down list for file type? I had that list. It lists only a few file formats, 4 or 5. Nothing related to MS. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 23 02:05:43 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:05:43 -0500 Subject: ooffice? or my problem? In-Reply-To: References: <47BF7908.70901@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47BF7F77.1050305@rogers.com> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:38 PM, James Knott wrote: > >> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >> > I had version 2.0 installed. Now, I installed the newest version, 2.3. >> > something. And I still can not save document in MSWord format! I have >> > simply no that option to choose from. The document is always saved in >> > oo format. >> > >> > And, at work, I have a version of oo 1.something. When I open at work >> > the document saved by oo version 2.something, I get a blank empty >> > page. >> > >> > And dont tell me also that OO is going to replace MS Office. The >> > trouble I experienced when upgrading from version 2 to 2.3 proves that >> > it never ever is going to happen. >> > >> > These big shi*s like Sun will rather always create troyans, and be not >> > interested in doing thing properly for Linux. >> > >> > >> >> When you select "Save as", do you not see a drop down list for file type? >> > > I had that list. It lists only a few file formats, 4 or 5. Nothing > related to MS. > > What Linux distro are you running? Did you use the version that came with it? Or did you download from www.openoffice.org? I have always been able to save in Word format and have never seen a time when I couldn't. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 23 02:06:29 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:06:29 -0800 Subject: IT360 trade-show-only not free this year In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:47 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I generally go to these shows (Linuxworld, it360, ...) to see the > tradeshow part. They have always been free if you registered early > enough. > > I notice that this year it costs $20. I got a mailing with a coupon > that lets me register for $15. > > Have I missed something? > > This may make an interesting change to the show. We'll see. Or maybe > I won't. That'll be interesting to discuss at the exec meeting, Monday... I expect they'll have a LOT fewer trade show attendees, at that price. Mind you, it's not obvious that the organizers were benefiting particularly from the "free traffic," so it's not *staggeringly* surprising. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 23 02:09:26 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:09:26 -0500 Subject: ooffice? or my problem? In-Reply-To: References: <47BF7908.70901@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47BF8056.4040404@rogers.com> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:38 PM, James Knott wrote: > >> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >> > I had version 2.0 installed. Now, I installed the newest version, 2.3. >> > something. And I still can not save document in MSWord format! I have >> > simply no that option to choose from. The document is always saved in >> > oo format. >> > >> > And, at work, I have a version of oo 1.something. When I open at work >> > the document saved by oo version 2.something, I get a blank empty >> > page. >> > >> > And dont tell me also that OO is going to replace MS Office. The >> > trouble I experienced when upgrading from version 2 to 2.3 proves that >> > it never ever is going to happen. >> > >> > These big shi*s like Sun will rather always create troyans, and be not >> > interested in doing thing properly for Linux. >> > >> > >> >> When you select "Save as", do you not see a drop down list for file type? >> > > I had that list. It lists only a few file formats, 4 or 5. Nothing > related to MS. > > Also, if you want to open a file with v1.x, other than 1.1.5, you'll have to save in the old OpenOffice format. Version 1.1.5 can read, but not write the 2.x default ODT formats. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 23 02:12:04 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:12:04 -0500 Subject: IT360 trade-show-only not free this year In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47BF80F4.5070100@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:47 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > >> I generally go to these shows (Linuxworld, it360, ...) to see the >> tradeshow part. They have always been free if you registered early >> enough. >> >> I notice that this year it costs $20. I got a mailing with a coupon >> that lets me register for $15. >> >> Have I missed something? >> >> This may make an interesting change to the show. We'll see. Or maybe >> I won't. >> > > That'll be interesting to discuss at the exec meeting, Monday... > > I expect they'll have a LOT fewer trade show attendees, at that price. > > Mind you, it's not obvious that the organizers were benefiting > particularly from the "free traffic," so it's not *staggeringly* > surprising. > I always keep my eye open for stuff that I might be able to use at work and some times buy a book or two. However, last years show wasn't that great and certainly not worth paying for. If they're charging this year, the show had better be a *LOT* better than last year's. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From spamstinksmmmkay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 23 02:40:03 2008 From: spamstinksmmmkay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (R.T.) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:40:03 -0500 Subject: GNU Screen: can wrapping be toggled when marking text in copy mode? Message-ID: Toggling wrapping with C-a C-r didn't seem to do the trick. To clarify, consider the following screen: OOOOOOOO OOOXXXOO OOOXXXOO OOOOOOOO I want to mark and copy only the block of X's. Possible? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 23 03:54:31 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:54:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: IT360 trade-show-only not free this year In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <329003.48082.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Christopher Browne wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:47 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier > wrote: > > I generally go to these shows (Linuxworld, it360, > ...) to see the > > tradeshow part. They have always been free if > you registered early > > enough. > > > > I notice that this year it costs $20. I got a > mailing with a coupon > > that lets me register for $15. > > > > Have I missed something? > > > > This may make an interesting change to the show. > We'll see. Or maybe > > I won't. > > That'll be interesting to discuss at the exec > meeting, Monday... > > I expect they'll have a LOT fewer trade show > attendees, at that price. > > Mind you, it's not obvious that the organizers were > benefiting > particularly from the "free traffic," so it's not > *staggeringly* > surprising. > -- I spoke to one of the IT360 organizers earlier today and there is to be a code that will let GTALug folks register in advance for the trade show part for free. I will forward that on as soon as I get it. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 23 06:39:14 2008 From: gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (George Nicol) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 01:39:14 -0500 Subject: OT: Multi-highlight in Firefox In-Reply-To: <20080222153825.GB8920-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20080222153825.GB8920@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <47BFBF92.1020405@primus.ca> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I have to scan several web pages on a regular basis, looking for any > instance of any of a set of several names/terms. I thought I would be > able to find a Firefox plugin that would highlight my search terms and > accept a list as input, but I was wrong. I'm not sure that I understand your needs correctly because some of your terms (several/regular/any) seem vague. But there's no need to give up every specific detail either. So, just a shot... You're already using Linux and Firefox (version?) so "to scan several web pages on a regular basis" browse to each one in a separate Tab and use "Bookmark All Tabs..." to save them to a Bookmarks Folder. The next time you need to scan them just open the Folder and click "Open in Tabs" at the bottom of the list. You'll see the Tabs reload, but are they the latest update from the web or the previous version from the cache? If in doubt, you can either dump your cache before the fetch or View > Reload (Ctrl+R) each Tab. To "find a Firefox plugin that would highlight my search terms" I'd turn to the reigning champion and third member of this holy trinity: Google. The Firefox plugin I *think* you're looking for is the Google Toolbar. The "Highlight" button instantly lights up search terms on the page and it will keep a search history in a list. You don't have to perform a search to use the "Highlight" and "Word Find" buttons. Simply enter your terms into the search box (don't hit Enter), then click the "Highlight" or "Word Find" button. Like Firefox, Google Toolbar is highly configurable so it can be clean and simple or have as many bells and whistles as you desire. If this solution works for you and "on a regular basis" means daily or more often, you may want to set this up in an application-specific version of Swiftfox, separate from your everyday Firefox, and start it with a click of the mouse whenever necessary. Google Toolbar for Firefox can be found/downloaded here: http://www.google.com/tools/firefox/toolbar/FT3/intl/en/index.html System Requirements: Linux Compatibility should be checked here: http://www.google.com/support/firefox/bin/answer.py?answer=53937&hl=en Google Toolbar for Firefox Features: http://www.google.com/support/firefox/bin/static.py?page=features.html&v=3 Google Toolbar for Firefox Help Center: http://www.google.com/support/firefox/ I'm not fond of browser toolbars. Your requirements may be compelling. The Google Toolbar *will* call home but can be controlled. Be sure to read the Privacy Policy available here: http://www.google.com/support/firefox/bin/topic.py?topic=11802 And remember - Google says, "they do know evil." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 23 14:32:13 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:32:13 -0500 Subject: ooffice? or my problem? In-Reply-To: <47BF7F77.1050305-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47BF7908.70901@rogers.com> <47BF7F77.1050305@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:05 PM, James Knott wrote: > > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:38 PM, James Knott wrote: > > > >> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > >> > I had version 2.0 installed. Now, I installed the newest version, 2.3. > >> > something. And I still can not save document in MSWord format! I have > >> > simply no that option to choose from. The document is always saved in > >> > oo format. > >> > > >> > And, at work, I have a version of oo 1.something. When I open at work > >> > the document saved by oo version 2.something, I get a blank empty > >> > page. > >> > > >> > And dont tell me also that OO is going to replace MS Office. The > >> > trouble I experienced when upgrading from version 2 to 2.3 proves that > >> > it never ever is going to happen. > >> > > >> > These big shi*s like Sun will rather always create troyans, and be not > >> > interested in doing thing properly for Linux. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> When you select "Save as", do you not see a drop down list for file type? > >> > > > > I had that list. It lists only a few file formats, 4 or 5. Nothing > > related to MS. > > > > > > What Linux distro are you running? Did you use the version that came > with it? Or did you download from www.openoffice.org? I have always > been able to save in Word format and have never seen a time when I couldn't. I am on CentOS 5, which is basically the same as the latest Red Hat Enterprise version. There I had OO version 2 installed. Since however it did not produce MS format, I though that i will installed the latest version of OO, and I did that by downloading version 2.3 from OO web site. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 23 14:45:42 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:45:42 -0500 Subject: ooffice? or my problem? In-Reply-To: References: <47BF7908.70901@rogers.com> <47BF7F77.1050305@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47C03196.8040503@utoronto.ca> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:05 PM, James Knott wrote: >> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:38 PM, James Knott wrote: >> > >> >> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >> >> > I had version 2.0 installed. Now, I installed the newest version, 2.3. >> >> > something. And I still can not save document in MSWord format! I have >> >> > simply no that option to choose from. The document is always saved in >> >> > oo format. >> >> > >> >> > And, at work, I have a version of oo 1.something. When I open at work >> >> > the document saved by oo version 2.something, I get a blank empty >> >> > page. >> >> > >> >> > And dont tell me also that OO is going to replace MS Office. The >> >> > trouble I experienced when upgrading from version 2 to 2.3 proves that >> >> > it never ever is going to happen. >> >> > >> >> > These big shi*s like Sun will rather always create troyans, and be not >> >> > interested in doing thing properly for Linux. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> When you select "Save as", do you not see a drop down list for file type? >> >> >> > >> > I had that list. It lists only a few file formats, 4 or 5. Nothing >> > related to MS. >> > >> > >> >> What Linux distro are you running? Did you use the version that came >> with it? Or did you download from www.openoffice.org? I have always >> been able to save in Word format and have never seen a time when I couldn't. > > I am on CentOS 5, which is basically the same as the latest Red Hat > Enterprise version. There I had OO version 2 installed. Since however > it did not produce MS format, I though that i will installed the > latest version of OO, and I did that by downloading version 2.3 from > OO web site. Are you creating a new Text Document? Other types of documents won't let you save as .doc (e.g. Master Document). Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 23 17:51:47 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:51:47 -0500 Subject: ooffice? or my problem? In-Reply-To: <47C03196.8040503-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <47BF7908.70901@rogers.com> <47BF7F77.1050305@rogers.com> <47C03196.8040503@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Jamon Camisso wrote: > > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:05 PM, James Knott wrote: > >> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > >> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:38 PM, James Knott wrote: > >> > > >> >> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > >> >> > I had version 2.0 installed. Now, I installed the newest version, 2.3. > >> >> > something. And I still can not save document in MSWord format! I have > >> >> > simply no that option to choose from. The document is always saved in > >> >> > oo format. > >> >> > > >> >> > And, at work, I have a version of oo 1.something. When I open at work > >> >> > the document saved by oo version 2.something, I get a blank empty > >> >> > page. > >> >> > > >> >> > And dont tell me also that OO is going to replace MS Office. The > >> >> > trouble I experienced when upgrading from version 2 to 2.3 proves that > >> >> > it never ever is going to happen. > >> >> > > >> >> > These big shi*s like Sun will rather always create troyans, and be not > >> >> > interested in doing thing properly for Linux. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> When you select "Save as", do you not see a drop down list for file type? > >> >> > >> > > >> > I had that list. It lists only a few file formats, 4 or 5. Nothing > >> > related to MS. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> What Linux distro are you running? Did you use the version that came > >> with it? Or did you download from www.openoffice.org? I have always > >> been able to save in Word format and have never seen a time when I couldn't. > > > > I am on CentOS 5, which is basically the same as the latest Red Hat > > Enterprise version. There I had OO version 2 installed. Since however > > it did not produce MS format, I though that i will installed the > > latest version of OO, and I did that by downloading version 2.3 from > > OO web site. > > Are you creating a new Text Document? Other types of documents won't let > you save as .doc (e.g. Master Document). Great advise. I got around the problem. I found out an old Word 6 document, opened it, and opened the document that i wanted to convert. So I copy and paste the new document over Word 6 version and saved it under a different name. Seems to work. But does that make sense? Is average Joe going to be able to figure out that such a trick is possible? zb. > > Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 23 19:19:01 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:19:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: ooffice? or my problem? In-Reply-To: References: <47BF7908.70901@rogers.com> <47BF7F77.1050305@rogers.com> <47C03196.8040503@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: | From: Zbigniew Koziol | On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Jamon Camisso | wrote: | > | > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: | > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:05 PM, James Knott wrote: | > >> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: | > >> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:38 PM, James Knott wrote: | > >> > | > >> >> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: | > >> >> > I had version 2.0 installed. Now, I installed the newest version, 2.3. | > >> >> > something. And I still can not save document in MSWord format! I have | > >> >> > simply no that option to choose from. The document is always saved in | > >> >> > oo format. Perhaps you installed it incorrectly. | > >> >> > And dont tell me also that OO is going to replace MS Office. The | > >> >> > trouble I experienced when upgrading from version 2 to 2.3 proves that | > >> >> > it never ever is going to happen. That statement isn't convincing to me. Upgrades not supported by your distro are often "adventures". End users are not normally going to try this, nor should they. Techies can try this stuff. It should work. But be prepared for adventures and do have fall-back plans. | > >> >> > These big shi*s like Sun will rather always create troyans, and be not | > >> >> > interested in doing thing properly for Linux. That's a bit of a leap. A bit rude considering the Open Office resources they have provided us. OO is very very crucial to the success of Linux. | > > I am on CentOS 5, which is basically the same as the latest Red Hat | > > Enterprise version. There I had OO version 2 installed. Since however | > > it did not produce MS format, I though that i will installed the | > > latest version of OO, and I did that by downloading version 2.3 from | > > OO web site. | > | > Are you creating a new Text Document? Other types of documents won't let | > you save as .doc (e.g. Master Document). | | Great advise. | | I got around the problem. I found out an old Word 6 document, opened | it, and opened the document that i wanted to convert. So I copy and | paste the new document over Word 6 version and saved it under a | different name. Seems to work. | | But does that make sense? Is average Joe going to be able to figure | out that such a trick is possible? That's interesting. Not the easy way, that is for sure. I recently installed CentOS 5.1. I don't remember doing anything special with respect to Open Office. Just now, I ran oowriter (thus creating an empty document), typed one word of content, then file:Save As: click on "file type". I see lots of formats, including "Microsoft Word 97/2000/XP", "Microsoft Word 95", and "Microsoft Word 6.0". $ rpm -qa | grep office openoffice.org-writer-2.0.4-5.4.25 openoffice.org-xsltfilter-2.0.4-5.4.25 openoffice.org-impress-2.0.4-5.4.25 openoffice.org-core-2.0.4-5.4.25 openoffice.org-calc-2.0.4-5.4.25 openoffice.org-math-2.0.4-5.4.25 openoffice.org-draw-2.0.4-5.4.25 openoffice.org-graphicfilter-2.0.4-5.4.25 openoffice.org-base-2.0.4-5.4.25 I have done no tweaking of this installation. I have no idea why your original 2.0 installation didn't work. You don't either and after you replaced it, there is no way to find out. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 23 23:11:59 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:11:59 -0500 Subject: ooffice? or my problem? In-Reply-To: References: <47BF7908.70901@rogers.com> <47BF7F77.1050305@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47C0A83F.6080501@rogers.com> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:05 PM, James Knott wrote: > >> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:38 PM, James Knott wrote: >> > >> >> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >> >> > I had version 2.0 installed. Now, I installed the newest version, 2.3. >> >> > something. And I still can not save document in MSWord format! I have >> >> > simply no that option to choose from. The document is always saved in >> >> > oo format. >> >> > >> >> > And, at work, I have a version of oo 1.something. When I open at work >> >> > the document saved by oo version 2.something, I get a blank empty >> >> > page. >> >> > >> >> > And dont tell me also that OO is going to replace MS Office. The >> >> > trouble I experienced when upgrading from version 2 to 2.3 proves that >> >> > it never ever is going to happen. >> >> > >> >> > These big shi*s like Sun will rather always create troyans, and be not >> >> > interested in doing thing properly for Linux. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> When you select "Save as", do you not see a drop down list for file type? >> >> >> > >> > I had that list. It lists only a few file formats, 4 or 5. Nothing >> > related to MS. >> > >> > >> >> What Linux distro are you running? Did you use the version that came >> with it? Or did you download from www.openoffice.org? I have always >> been able to save in Word format and have never seen a time when I couldn't. >> > > I am on CentOS 5, which is basically the same as the latest Red Hat > Enterprise version. There I had OO version 2 installed. Since however > it did not produce MS format, I though that i will installed the > latest version of OO, and I did that by downloading version 2.3 from > OO web site. > > Did it solve your problems? -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 23 23:20:58 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:20:58 -0500 Subject: ooffice? or my problem? In-Reply-To: References: <47BF7908.70901@rogers.com> <47BF7F77.1050305@rogers.com> <47C03196.8040503@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <47C0AA5A.3030809@rogers.com> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > I got around the problem. I found out an old Word 6 document, opened > it, and opened the document that i wanted to convert. So I copy and > paste the new document over Word 6 version and saved it under a > different name. Seems to work. > > But does that make sense? Is average Joe going to be able to figure > out that such a trick is possible? > > zb. > There's definitely something wrong with your system, as I have never seen a copy of OpenOffice or StarOffice that couldn't write Word documents. In another note, you mentioned you used CentOS Linux. I wonder if it's something peculiar with that distro? -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 24 04:24:27 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:24:27 -0500 Subject: ooffice? or my problem? In-Reply-To: <47C0AA5A.3030809-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47BF7908.70901@rogers.com> <47BF7F77.1050305@rogers.com> <47C03196.8040503@utoronto.ca> <47C0AA5A.3030809@rogers.com> Message-ID: There is sometrhing wrong with your understanding of OpenOffice ;) This is on another subject, but interesting. When I had a problem with OO, I did upgrade the system. And then I was sucked. Like a mirracle. After rebooting from upgrade I was not able to use mouse, neither gpm or in X. I have no lynx installed at home but I was able to connect to my work computer and use Lynx from there to search for information. I searched a lot. And finally, not really as a result of searching, I did that myself: I dsabled the newest kernel that was upgradet from booting, in grub, and returned to the older kernel I used before. Mouse works now again! zb. On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM, James Knott wrote: > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > > > I got around the problem. I found out an old Word 6 document, opened > > it, and opened the document that i wanted to convert. So I copy and > > paste the new document over Word 6 version and saved it under a > > different name. Seems to work. > > > > But does that make sense? Is average Joe going to be able to figure > > out that such a trick is possible? > > > > zb. > > > > There's definitely something wrong with your system, as I have never > seen a copy of OpenOffice or StarOffice that couldn't write Word > documents. In another note, you mentioned you used CentOS Linux. I > wonder if it's something peculiar with that distro? > > > -- > Use OpenOffice.org > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 24 19:55:02 2008 From: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:55:02 -0500 Subject: PegaSoft - Bash Shell - February Extra Presentation Message-ID: <1203882902.16736.8.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 Location: Linux Caffe Topic: Bourne, POSIX and Bash; portability versus features Speaker: Chris F. A. Johnson The PegaSoft group is having a bonus Feburary dinner meeting with a discussion of advanced shell programming with Linux author Chris F. A. Johnson. Some come buy the Caffe, grab a GNUburger or a specialty coffee and bring your questions for Mr. Johnson. As usual, please confirm that you are coming by Monday night so we advise the Caffe of how many people to expect. More information about PegaSoft events is at http://www.pegasoft.ca/events.html -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone/Fax: 905-562-0848 "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org "Perl Phrasebook" Blog: http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If there something that I can do to avoid this issue? If not, what should I change on receiving a document to have it paged properly automatically. I would be happy with a toggle function - ie, receive a document, do one or two things, and the document automatically get back to the intended paging, then just before sending it out, reverse the steps you used on receiving so that people using MS office don't get pissed off. Any help here would be highly appreaciated. Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 03:39:52 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:39:52 -0500 Subject: MS office & Open office compatibility issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47C23888.1020106@rogers.com> William Muriithi wrote: > I wonder if there is someone out there how have found a work around on > this problem. If you happen to be using open office and editing a > document in collaboration with some who is using MS office, the paging > get really messed up. > > For example, you have a 3 pages document in OO, send it across to > someone who uses MS office, the document will have around 2 1/4 > pages. This of course is not good, as the person across may think you > are not serious. I have looked at the fonts, line gap, anything that > can lead to different page size with no luck. Consider that a 'page' is defined by the printer setup of the local computer. Legal size paper is a larger page, than letter size, for example. Or do you mean that data in the document is being lost? Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 03:40:47 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:40:47 -0800 Subject: MS office & Open office compatibility issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 7:32 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > I wonder if there is someone out there how have found a work around on > this problem. If you happen to be using open office and editing a > document in collaboration with some who is using MS office, the paging > get really messed up. Welcome to the world of non-standards. When no one publishes the specs, you get hacked specs. There is not much you can do... > For example, you have a 3 pages document in OO, send it across to > someone who uses MS office, the document will have around 2 1/4 > pages. This of course is not good, as the person across may think you > are not serious. I have looked at the fonts, line gap, anything that > can lead to different page size with no luck. Tell them you are using "office" as well, but if they would like to purchase a copy of Microsoft's version, you would be happy to continue using an undocumented format :-) Of course, this won't get you very far at first, and people will be pissed, but Rosa Parks did the same thing. Now look at the progress we have mad... > If there something that I can do to avoid this issue? If not, what > should I change on receiving a document to have it paged properly > automatically. I would be happy with a toggle function - ie, receive a > document, do one or two things, and the document automatically get > back to the intended paging, then just before sending it out, reverse > the steps you used on receiving so that people using MS office don't > get pissed off. Use Microsoft Office if you have to. That is your only option to ensure the "best compatibility"... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- "It has been just so in all my inventions. The first step is an intuition--and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise. This thing gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or failure--is certainly reached" -- Thomas Edison in a letter to Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 04:08:49 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:08:49 -0500 Subject: MS office & Open office compatibility issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47C23F51.3080908@utoronto.ca> William Muriithi wrote: > Hi pals, > > I wonder if there is someone out there how have found a work around on > this problem. If you happen to be using open office and editing a > document in collaboration with some who is using MS office, the paging > get really messed up. > > For example, you have a 3 pages document in OO, send it across to > someone who uses MS office, the document will have around 2 1/4 > pages. This of course is not good, as the person across may think you > are not serious. I have looked at the fonts, line gap, anything that > can lead to different page size with no luck. > > If there something that I can do to avoid this issue? If not, what > should I change on receiving a document to have it paged properly > automatically. I would be happy with a toggle function - ie, receive a > document, do one or two things, and the document automatically get > back to the intended paging, then just before sending it out, reverse > the steps you used on receiving so that people using MS office don't > get pissed off. > > Any help here would be highly appreaciated. This happens to me at school all the time, especially since my faculty emphasizes group work. One person will use Word, another Open Office, and another TextEdit or something else. The best option in that case is rtf as it is basic enough and has had enough people figuring it out over the years on multiple platforms that formatting isn't too much of a problem. Get them to send rtf and send rtf back and that should eliminate most of the glitches and maintain a consistent degree of brokenness on both ends. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 04:11:49 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:11:49 +0300 Subject: MS office & Open office compatibility issue In-Reply-To: <47C23888.1020106-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47C23888.1020106@rogers.com> Message-ID: Hi > > Consider that a 'page' is defined by the printer setup of the local > computer. > > Legal size paper is a larger page, than letter size, for example. > > Or do you mean that data in the document is being lost? > > No all the content, every word of it is there. Its just spread across more pages in OO than MS office. But now that you mentioned that, may be OO default to A4 and MS office to legal size. Would that also affect the electronic version, or it only come into play when sending it to the printers? Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 04:17:57 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:17:57 +0300 Subject: MS office & Open office compatibility issue In-Reply-To: <47C23F51.3080908-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <47C23F51.3080908@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Hi > > This happens to me at school all the time, especially since my faculty > emphasizes group work. One person will use Word, another Open Office, > and another TextEdit or something else. The best option in that case is > rtf as it is basic enough and has had enough people figuring it out over > the years on multiple platforms that formatting isn't too much of a problem. > > Get them to send rtf and send rtf back and that should eliminate most of > the glitches and maintain a consistent degree of brokenness on both ends. Cool, thank you. I think I can convince them on this, especially since you can convert back to *.doc once you are done with collaboration. Regards, William > > > Jamon > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 04:18:16 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:18:16 -0500 Subject: MS office & Open office compatibility issue In-Reply-To: References: <47C23888.1020106@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47C24188.4020101@rogers.com> William Muriithi wrote: > Hi >> Consider that a 'page' is defined by the printer setup of the local >> computer. >> >> Legal size paper is a larger page, than letter size, for example. >> >> Or do you mean that data in the document is being lost? >> >> > No all the content, every word of it is there. Its just spread across > more pages in OO than MS office. But now that you mentioned that, may > be OO default to A4 and MS office to legal size. Would that also > affect the electronic version, or it only come into play when sending > it to the printers? Check the view option. In MS office it wants to default to a kind of print preview mode. But you can wrestle it to draft. I assume OO has similar settings. The software has to figure out how big a page is somehow. Used to be just 66 lines or something like that. But with varying point sizes, embedded images, tables, it is very much a crap shoot. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 07:47:09 2008 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:47:09 -0500 Subject: I've never understood how you manage kernel modules at boot time Message-ID: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk@mail.math.yorku.ca> I've been looking through the documentation for modprobe and modprobe.conf and modprobe.d and so on and I just don't understand what's supposed to be the correct, intelligent way to cause a kernel module to be loaded at boot time. The documentation for modprobe.conf and modprobe.d all seems to be about configuring what *happens* when you invoke "modprobe my-module", but doesn't seem to say anything about what *causes* that command to be invoked at boot time. Also I don't get how the "alias" command comes into this. I've seen various howtos that talk about putting an "alias" line into one of these config files, but they don't explain just why the aliased name gets probed in the first place. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From askshakthimaan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 08:53:58 2008 From: askshakthimaan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:23:58 +0530 Subject: I've never understood how you manage kernel modules at boot time In-Reply-To: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <17daacef0802250053v5f33db45n145222dfe96b982d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Mike, --- On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Mike Oliver wrote: | The documentation for modprobe.conf and modprobe.d all | seems to be about configuring what *happens* when you invoke | "modprobe my-module", but doesn't seem to say anything about what | *causes* that command to be invoked at boot time. \-- Check /etc/init.d/module-init-tools script? SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 13:09:16 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:09:16 -0500 Subject: share published printer FC4? Message-ID: <47C2BDFC.9070507@chrisaitken.net> Is there a 'share published printers' checkbox in the cups that comes in FC4? I don't see the checkbox in localhost:631/admin I can't print remotely (from another computer in my LAN) to the printer (attached to the FC4 machine) and that is usually the problem. However, this is an older OS so I don't know if it has that checkbox. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 14:55:11 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:55:11 -0500 Subject: Which CF card to buy to boot Linux In-Reply-To: <1203176278.1528.1237218853-2RFepEojUI2N1INw9kWLP6GC3tUn3ZHUQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <1203176278.1528.1237218853@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20080225145511.GT1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 10:37:58AM -0500, Andrew Malcolmson wrote: > I'm looking to buy a 4 GB CF card to boot Debian in a hard drive-less > Via C7 system. > > There's a huge difference in prices out there, I guess according to > speed. Does speed matter for doing this? Are some cards more reliable? > > Suggestions are welcome. > > BTW: there's a Debian package to make all the little adjustments you > need to run off a CF card such a minimizing writes to the card. Anyone > remember what it's called? I don't remember the name, but I determined it wasn't worth using. It isn't being maintained and never worked very well and made a lot of things a hassle. Simple things to do is: - Reduce logging to a minimum - Don't have swap space at all - Don't run things that write to disk all the time like databases (at least if you write to them frequently) After that a CF card is really not that bad to use. Some CF cards support DMA. This is highly recommended, but only if your CF adapter has the right design to support DMA since otherwise you get stupid errors (and have to pass a ide=nodma or hda=nodma option to the kernel to even use it). Some CF cards are designed to be more reliable, such as auto write protecting if the supply voltage starts to drop (you can get interesting results if pwoer fails in the middle of a write, potentially even a dead CF card in the case of a few badly designed cards. I have had it happen). The CF card I trust the most right now out of the ones I have worked with are Silicon Systems SiliconDrive CF. DMA support, about 9MB/s read speed (a bit less writing of course), auto write protection on power loss and such. The one that totally died was an older design Sandisk, but newer designs should be immune to that behaviour. Transcend cards I currently am very suspicious of. SMART Modular Technologies seem reliable, except their DMA support seems broken (as in they claim support, the system tries to use it, but it seems unstable when DMA is enabled). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 14:59:56 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:59:56 -0500 Subject: MS office & Open office compatibility issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a97ef0802250659k6a7cdf0fq9889606f32ad9716@mail.gmail.com> This has been a pain for me in general, especially with important documents such as resume's etc. It's not just between OO and MS-Office though, I've seen things get messed up between different versions of MS-Office or different default page settings. Normally I do a few of the following: a) Export to PDF (which is standard in most institutions), works fine so long as the person on the other end doesn't need to edit the document b) Manually start new pages (CTRL+Enter) c) *Sacrifice a **chicken to the deities of standardization in hopes that this issue will be resolved better in future versions **or other small animal * no chickens were harmed in the making of the post. Sacrifice of anything other than time and IT equipment is not recommended On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 10:32 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > Hi pals, > > I wonder if there is someone out there how have found a work around on > this problem. If you happen to be using open office and editing a > document in collaboration with some who is using MS office, the paging > get really messed up. > > For example, you have a 3 pages document in OO, send it across to > someone who uses MS office, the document will have around 2 1/4 > pages. This of course is not good, as the person across may think you > are not serious. I have looked at the fonts, line gap, anything that > can lead to different page size with no luck. > > If there something that I can do to avoid this issue? If not, what > should I change on receiving a document to have it paged properly > automatically. I would be happy with a toggle function - ie, receive a > document, do one or two things, and the document automatically get > back to the intended paging, then just before sending it out, reverse > the steps you used on receiving so that people using MS office don't > get pissed off. > > Any help here would be highly appreaciated. > > Regards, > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 15:07:32 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:07:32 -0500 Subject: capturing CBC Radio from an internet stream In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080225150732.GU1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 02:09:21AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > This has taken a bit to figure out. I hope some others find this > information useful. > > CBC Radio is streamed in two ways that I know about: > > - ogg vorbis: experimental. CBC Radio 1 in Toronto (only) I thought they had Calgory as well. They do have radio 2 as ogg as well from Toronto. > - mms stream containing .wma. For each radio station. > > See http://www.cbc.ca/listen/index.html > > I would like to be able to report that ogg vorbis is the way to go, > but there are two problems: > > - every time try to capture an hour-long show, I find the stream is > broken off prematurely Never had a problem using streamripper. > - I often want to record something that I found out about by coming in > on the middle. In these cases, it is great to capture from a > station in a later timezone. > > How can you capture mms? I want to use scripts so it has to be a cli > program. > > Here's a shell script that I call GRAB1hrCBC1mms: > > # grab 60 minutes of CBC Radio 1 > # mms => ASF (.asf or .wma) > > DATE=`date +%Y.%m.%d-%H.%M` > > mmsrip --delay=3600 --output=$DATE.wma mms://wm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-${CITY:-toronto} > > You can give it an argument of the city you wish to record from. I've > listed their time offset from here and their timezone: > -1 cst winnipeg > -1 cst regina > -2 mst calgary > -3 pst vancouver > > I can start this up with tha at(1) command > > I got mmsrip here: > http://nbenoit.tuxfamily.org/projects.php?rq=mmsrip > > The output of mmsrip, at least in this case, is a .wma file. But it > is a bit malformed: it won't work in my mp3 players. Two things do > understand it: > > - ffmpeg > > - mplayer (because it uses the ffmpeg library) > > It turns out that a null transcoding by ffmpeg can make the file work > with my Creative Zen V! ffmpeg has unconventional flags -- check the > manpage. > > ffmpeg -i captured.wma -acodec copy nice.wma > > I also found the flags -title and -author (but not -album) allowed me > to add tags. I never got mms to capture correctly. What I do use personally is this: cat /etc//cron.d/streamripper # /etc/cron.d/streamripper PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin # Saturdays at 19:00 EST record Randy's Vinyl Tap for 2 hours (7200 # seconds) 0 19 * * 6 www-data /usr/bin/streamripper http://vorbis.nm.cbc.ca:80/cbcr1-toronto.ogg -A -a "Randy's Vinyl Tap - \%d" -d /var/www/streams/cbc/ -l 7200 --quiet # Saturdays at 10:00 EST record Vinyl Cafe for 1 hour (3600 seconds) 0 10 * * 6 www-data /usr/bin/streamripper http://vorbis.nm.cbc.ca:80/cbcr2-toronto.ogg -A -a "Vinyl Cafe - \%d" -d /var/www/streams/cbc/ -l 3600 --quiet -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 15:14:15 2008 From: kristian.hermansen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:14:15 -0800 Subject: I've never understood how you manage kernel modules at boot time In-Reply-To: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 11:47 PM, Mike Oliver wrote: > I've been looking through the documentation for modprobe and modprobe.conf > nd modprobe.d and so on and I just don't understand what's supposed > to be the correct, intelligent way to cause a kernel module to be loaded > at boot time. The documentation for modprobe.conf and modprobe.d all > seems to be about configuring what *happens* when you invoke > "modprobe my-module", but doesn't seem to say anything about what > *causes* that command to be invoked at boot time. > > Also I don't get how the "alias" command comes into this. I've seen > various howtos that talk about putting an "alias" line into one of these > config files, but they don't explain just why the aliased name gets > probed in the first place. If you really want to learn about the internals of Linux and security, you should try Hardened Linux from Scratch (HLFS). The HLFS tutorial covers the older devfs and newer udev systems... http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hlfs/view/unstable/glibc-2.6/chapter07/udev.html -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- "It has been just so in all my inventions. The first step is an intuition--and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise. This thing gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or failure--is certainly reached" -- Thomas Edison in a letter to Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 15:14:34 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:14:34 -0500 Subject: I've never understood how you manage kernel modules at boot time In-Reply-To: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20080225151434.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 02:47:09AM -0500, Mike Oliver wrote: > I've been looking through the documentation for modprobe and modprobe.conf > and modprobe.d and so on and I just don't understand what's supposed > to be the correct, intelligent way to cause a kernel module to be loaded > at boot time. The documentation for modprobe.conf and modprobe.d all > seems to be about configuring what *happens* when you invoke > "modprobe my-module", but doesn't seem to say anything about what > *causes* that command to be invoked at boot time. > > Also I don't get how the "alias" command comes into this. I've seen > various howtos that talk about putting an "alias" line into one of these > config files, but they don't explain just why the aliased name gets > probed in the first place. On debian there is a file called /etc/modules which is a list of modules to load at boot. /etc/modprobe.conf should not be used since debian uses /etc/modprobe.d/ instead and if you create modprobe.conf it disables the modprobe.d breaking lots of stuff. Another way to make things load is with aliases such as: alias char-major-195-* nvidia That means whenever something tries to open a /dev node for major 195 then load the module named nvidia to try and provide such a device. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 15:15:10 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:15:10 -0500 Subject: share published printer FC4? In-Reply-To: <47C2BDFC.9070507-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47C2BDFC.9070507@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080225151510.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 08:09:16AM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > Is there a 'share published printers' checkbox in the cups that comes in > FC4? I don't see the checkbox in localhost:631/admin Probably not. That's quite old. I think old enough that it had to be done by editing the config files just right. > I can't print remotely (from another computer in my LAN) to the printer > (attached to the FC4 machine) and that is usually the problem. However, > this is an older OS so I don't know if it has that checkbox. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 15:20:40 2008 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:20:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: I've never understood how you manage kernel modules at boot time In-Reply-To: References: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 11:47 PM, Mike Oliver wrote: > > I've been looking through the documentation for modprobe and modprobe.conf > > nd modprobe.d and so on and I just don't understand what's supposed > > to be the correct, intelligent way to cause a kernel module to be loaded > > at boot time. The documentation for modprobe.conf and modprobe.d all > > seems to be about configuring what *happens* when you invoke > > "modprobe my-module", but doesn't seem to say anything about what > > *causes* that command to be invoked at boot time. > > > > Also I don't get how the "alias" command comes into this. I've seen > > various howtos that talk about putting an "alias" line into one of these > > config files, but they don't explain just why the aliased name gets > > probed in the first place. > > If you really want to learn about the internals of Linux and security, > you should try Hardened Linux from Scratch (HLFS). The HLFS tutorial > covers the older devfs and newer udev systems... > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hlfs/view/unstable/glibc-2.6/chapter07/udev.html at this point, is there much value in investing time boning up on devfs? rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 16:27:25 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:27:25 -0500 Subject: EFBIG (File too large) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080225162725.GX1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:19:21AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I've been using my text editor (JOVE) for roughly 25 years. I got a > surprise today, but I don't know how long this has been lurking. > > I tried to read a log file into the editor but it said > Couldn't open "/space/tmp/logs/mythburn.log". > > I had no idea why. The permissions were correct. So I straced the editor > and found that the file open syscall failed with EFBIG. > > What the heck is this? > > The open(2) manpage did not list EFBIG. Bad. > > But I did see this bit: > O_LARGEFILE > (LFS) Allow files whose sizes cannot be represented in an off_t > (but can be represented in an off64_t) to be opened. > > This seems really stupid. Why not make off_t large enough to do its > job? Why have a separate off64_t? We use headers and typedefs so > these things can change when they should. Backwards compatibility. Some programs may have stupidly thought they could use an integer to keep track of things and if you suddenly change from 32 to 64 bits then you can have the program crash. > I'm not going to "fix" JOVE. Why add cruft like that. Because that's how things work when you don't want to break an existing API. This isn't Windows after all. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jeffliutor-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 15:00:55 2008 From: jeffliutor-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jeff Liu) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:00:55 -0500 Subject: I've never understood how you manage kernel modules at boot time In-Reply-To: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <3263242b0802250700u49b7fe82ha78135e6cca94279@mail.gmail.com> Check /etc/modules.conf on old redhat version and /etc/modprobe.conf on RHEL4, RHEL5, FC2 and newer. Cheers, Jeff Liu On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 2:47 AM, Mike Oliver wrote: > I've been looking through the documentation for modprobe and modprobe.conf > and modprobe.d and so on and I just don't understand what's supposed > to be the correct, intelligent way to cause a kernel module to be loaded > at boot time. The documentation for modprobe.conf and modprobe.d all > seems to be about configuring what *happens* when you invoke > "modprobe my-module", but doesn't seem to say anything about what > *causes* that command to be invoked at boot time. > > Also I don't get how the "alias" command comes into this. I've seen > various howtos that talk about putting an "alias" line into one of these > config files, but they don't explain just why the aliased name gets > probed in the first place. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sutherland_rob-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 17:35:33 2008 From: sutherland_rob-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:35:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: vmstat -s differences In-Reply-To: <49e826e90802191358g7c81318co4c4cfb01fb8eb8fb-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <49e826e90802191358g7c81318co4c4cfb01fb8eb8fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <348698.20462.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I'm just trying to track down a difference between the vmstat -s display in Linux and Solaris. According to a book I'm reading on NFS server performance tuning, vmstat -s on Solaris shows a line like this "2723829 total name lookups (cache hits 72% per-process) while the vmstat -s on linux doesn't show this calculation. Anyone know how to display or derive this info on linux? Rob Rob Sutherland 'What did the zero say to the eight?' ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 17:46:55 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:46:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Another user group meeting of possible interestTASK Message-ID: <4207.3598.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just to quickly note, the Toronto Area Security Klatch folks are having a meeting on Wednesday. These meetings are platform agnostic (Solaris is as welcome as Windows). In summary, here is what is coming up: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Protecting Your Private Parts and Top Attack Trends - February 27, 2008 - 6pm to 9pm. Location: Pharmacy Building, U of T, Room B250, 144 College St., Toronto Topic: Protecting Your Private Parts Speaker: Tracy Ann Kosa Overworked. Underpaid. And now you?re responsible for privacy too. Get under the covers and find out why this job is a lot easier then it sounds. The secret to privacy design: once you?ve done it, you?re done it. This session will provide you with compliance based design requirements, and the teach you how to get there yourself. The legislation hasn?t changed in years, and though the technology evolves, the architecture requirements for compliant privacy design haven?t no matter who your clients are. Do privacy and security make good bedfellows? You bet. And it?s better then doing it alone. Tracy Ann Kosa has 10 years of privacy experience across Canada. Faculty at international programs on privacy, her latest project was to co-author an ontology in support of creating privacy compliant specifications for software engineers. Topic: Top 5 Vulnerability and Attack Trends Speaker: Tom Stracener Cenzic's CIA Labs lead by Tom Stracener has selected the Top 5 new vulnerability and attack trends. As applications are constantly changing and adapting to the Web 2.0 market, hackers are adopting new methods and strategies of attacks as well. Tom will discuss the 5 latest new attack trends, web application vulnerability statistics that define the new threat landscape, and also show 3 examples of real-world attacks that illustrate the new power of hacking in the Web 2.0 world. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- More details can be seen here: http://www.task.to/events/upcoming.php Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 18:18:15 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:18:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: IT360 Planning Meeting. Message-ID: <549371.65755.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just to note, there will be a little planning meeting regarding the IT360 show and GTALug's role at said show Thursday (Feb. 28th, 2008) evening, 7:00PM @ the Starbucks coffee shop inside Indigo, 2300 Yonge Street (a very short walk from Yonge and Eglinton). Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 18:25:38 2008 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:25:38 -0500 Subject: I've never understood how you manage kernel modules at boot time In-Reply-To: <20080225151434.GV1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080225151434.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080225132538.2iq1xjrpa84kck00@mail.math.yorku.ca> Quoting Lennart Sorensen : > Another way to make things load is with aliases such as: > alias char-major-195-* nvidia > > That means whenever something tries to open a /dev node for major 195 > then load the module named nvidia to try and provide such a device. OK, this is the exact spot where neither the documentation nor anyone else ever seems to explain what's going on. Exactly *why* does "something try to open a /dev node for major 195"? How can I predict that that's going to happen -- or make it happen if it otherwise wouldn't -- so that the alias command will make the module load? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 18:26:21 2008 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Moniz Family) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:26:21 -0500 Subject: Yet Another iPod Question Message-ID: <47C3084D.1010900@sympatico.ca> I'll be buying an MP3 player for my daughter this Wednesday and I have a feeling she'll want the iPod, which will likely mean the iPod video nano or the ipod touch. She now has an iPod Shuttle and is using Amarock with it. I looked over a lot of the posts on MP3 players from last September (has it been that long already) and got some of the answers I need, but would like to confirm the following. It seems clear that Amarock will do the music transfers, but will it transfer video files to the iPod? If not, what would? Finally, what about transferring photos, is there a specific package required? Thanks, John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 18:31:13 2008 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:31:13 -0500 Subject: PegaSoft - Bash Shell - February Extra Presentation In-Reply-To: <1203882902.16736.8.camel-sLtTAFnw5m7xXJQZHMdDwiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1203882902.16736.8.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: <47C30971.1000304@utoronto.ca> Ken Burtch wrote: > Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 at 7:30 pm > Location: Linux Caffe > Topic: Bourne, POSIX and Bash; portability versus features > Speaker: Chris F. A. Johnson > > The PegaSoft group is having a bonus Feburary dinner meeting with a > discussion of advanced shell programming with Linux author Chris F. A. > Johnson. Some come buy the Caffe, grab a GNUburger or a specialty > coffee and bring your questions for Mr. Johnson. > > As usual, please confirm that you are coming by Monday night so we > advise the Caffe of how many people to expect. > > More information about PegaSoft events is at > http://www.pegasoft.ca/events.html > This conflicts with the NewTLUG meeting at Seneca at York, :-( Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 18:43:30 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:43:30 -0500 Subject: EFBIG (File too large) In-Reply-To: <20080225162725.GX1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080225162725.GX1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080225184330.GY1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:27:25AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Backwards compatibility. Some programs may have stupidly thought they > could use an integer to keep track of things and if you suddenly change > from 32 to 64 bits then you can have the program crash. > > > I'm not going to "fix" JOVE. Why add cruft like that. > > Because that's how things work when you don't want to break an existing > API. This isn't Windows after all. In addition to this the code in jove is severely broken. For example: void f_seek(fp, offset) register File *fp; off_t offset; { if (fp->f_flags & (F_WRITE|F_APPEND)) flushout(fp); fp->f_cnt = 0; /* next read will f_filbuf(), next write will flush() with no bad effects */ lseek(fp->f_fd, (long) offset, L_SET); } The cast to a long in the lseek line is crap. On 32bit x86 for example long is 32bit, so the jove code just made 64bit file pointers imposible. Of course on a 64bit x86 long is 64bit so the code would actually work with large files as is on 64bit systems. It does appear to contain tons of legacy code for dos and windows and who knows what, so no wonder the code has bugs. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 18:49:11 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:49:11 -0500 Subject: share published printer FC4? In-Reply-To: <20080225151510.GW1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47C2BDFC.9070507@chrisaitken.net> <20080225151510.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47C30DA7.2080207@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 08:09:16AM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > > >>Is there a 'share published printers' checkbox in the cups that comes in >>FC4? I don't see the checkbox in localhost:631/admin >> >> > >Probably not. That's quite old. I think old enough that it had to be >done by editing the config files just right. > > /etc/rc/init.d/cups? I see nothing in there about sharing.. #!/bin/sh # # "$Id: cups.sh,v 1.10 2000/03/30 05:19:16 mike Exp $" # # Startup/shutdown script for the Common UNIX Printing System (CUPS). # # Linux chkconfig stuff: # # chkconfig: 2345 55 10 # description: Startup/shutdown script for the Common UNIX \ # Printing System (CUPS). # # Copyright 1997-2000 by Easy Software Products, all rights reserved. # # These coded instructions, statements, and computer programs are the # property of Easy Software Products and are protected by Federal # copyright law. Distribution and use rights are outlined in the file # "LICENSE.txt" which should have been included with this file. If this # file is missing or damaged please contact Easy Software Products # at: # # Attn: CUPS Licensing Information # Easy Software Products # 44141 Airport View Drive, Suite 204 # Hollywood, Maryland 20636-3111 USA # # Voice: (301) 373-9603 # EMail: cups-info-OBZt+0Fux+w at public.gmane.org # WWW: http://www.cups.org # # heavily edited so that it's more like other scripts in init.d on Red Hat # Linux # Source function library. if [ -f /etc/init.d/functions ] ; then . /etc/init.d/functions elif [ -f /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions ] ; then . /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions else exit 0 fi DAEMON=cupsd prog=cups config () { # Is this a printconf system? if [ -x /usr/sbin/printconf-backend ] then # run printconf-backend to set up the configuration. /usr/sbin/printconf-backend fi } start () { echo -n $"Starting $prog: " config # start daemon daemon $DAEMON RETVAL=$? echo [ $RETVAL = 0 ] && touch /var/lock/subsys/cups return $RETVAL } stop () { # stop daemon echo -n $"Stopping $prog: " killproc $DAEMON RETVAL=$? echo [ $RETVAL = 0 ] && rm -f /var/lock/subsys/cups } restart() { stop start } case $1 in start) start ;; stop) stop ;; restart) restart ;; condrestart) [ -f /var/lock/subsys/cups ] && restart || : ;; reload) echo -n $"Reloading $prog: " config killproc $DAEMON -HUP RETVAL=$? echo if [ $RETVAL -ne 0 ] then # Rebuild ppds.dat file if the daemon wasn't # there to do it. $DAEMON --ppdsdat fi ;; status) status $DAEMON ;; *) echo $"Usage: $prog {start|stop|restart|condrestart|reload|status}" exit 1 esac exit $RETVAL Chris > > >>I can't print remotely (from another computer in my LAN) to the printer >>(attached to the FC4 machine) and that is usually the problem. However, >>this is an older OS so I don't know if it has that checkbox. >> >> > >-- >Len Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 18:44:54 2008 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:44:54 -0500 Subject: Yet Another iPod Question In-Reply-To: <47C3084D.1010900-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3084D.1010900@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200802251344.55268.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 25, 2008 01:26:21 pm Moniz Family wrote: > I looked over a lot of the posts on MP3 players from last September (has > it been that long already) and got some of the answers I need, but would > like to confirm the following. It seems clear that Amarock will do the > music transfers, but will it transfer video files to the iPod? If not, > what would? Finally, what about transferring photos, is there a specific > package required? > My daughter is currently using Floola to manage her 6th Generation iPod 8GB with video. No issues at all ( so far ) http://www.floola.com/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=WiwiHome The only caveat is that you have to copy one song to the ipod with itunes to initialize the ipod. Gtkpod does not work, as it only has the settings for the silver version, and the ipod identification is regulated by the colour. -- Jason Shein Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 647 ) - 505 - 5002 http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 18:45:21 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:45:21 -0500 Subject: IT360 Planning Meeting. In-Reply-To: <549371.65755.qm-fjYszm/wOJWB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <549371.65755.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080225184521.GZ1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 01:18:15PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > Just to note, there will be a little planning meeting > regarding the IT360 show and GTALug's role at said > show Thursday (Feb. 28th, 2008) evening, 7:00PM @ the > Starbucks coffee shop inside Indigo, 2300 Yonge Street > (a very short walk from Yonge and Eglinton). Speaking of the IT360 show, I noticed in an email that if you become a friend of the IT360 group on facebook, then you can ask the group admins for a code that you can use to get free registration for the show part. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Toronto-ON/IT360-Conference-Expo-2008/7895920361 -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 18:45:50 2008 From: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:45:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: PegaSoft - Bash Shell - February Extra Presentation In-Reply-To: <47C30971.1000304-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1203882902.16736.8.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <47C30971.1000304@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Yes. The presenter had to reschedule from the original date of last Thursday. Ken B. On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Ken Burtch wrote: > > Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 at 7:30 pm > > Location: Linux Caffe > > Topic: Bourne, POSIX and Bash; portability versus features > > Speaker: Chris F. A. Johnson > > > > The PegaSoft group is having a bonus Feburary dinner meeting with a > > discussion of advanced shell programming with Linux author Chris F. A. > > Johnson. Some come buy the Caffe, grab a GNUburger or a specialty > > coffee and bring your questions for Mr. Johnson. > > > > As usual, please confirm that you are coming by Monday night so we > > advise the Caffe of how many people to expect. > > > > More information about PegaSoft events is at > > http://www.pegasoft.ca/events.html > > > > > This conflicts with the NewTLUG meeting at Seneca at York, :-( > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 18:46:26 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:46:26 -0500 Subject: share published printer FC4? In-Reply-To: <47C30DA7.2080207-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47C2BDFC.9070507@chrisaitken.net> <20080225151510.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C30DA7.2080207@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080225184626.GA1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 01:49:11PM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > /etc/rc/init.d/cups? I see nothing in there about sharing.. No cupsd.conf -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 18:49:20 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:49:20 -0500 Subject: I've never understood how you manage kernel modules at boot time In-Reply-To: <20080225132538.2iq1xjrpa84kck00-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080225151434.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080225132538.2iq1xjrpa84kck00@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20080225184920.GB1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 01:25:38PM -0500, Mike Oliver wrote: > Quoting Lennart Sorensen : > > >Another way to make things load is with aliases such as: > >alias char-major-195-* nvidia > > > >That means whenever something tries to open a /dev node for major 195 > >then load the module named nvidia to try and provide such a device. > > OK, this is the exact spot where neither the documentation nor anyone > else ever seems to explain what's going on. Exactly *why* does > "something try to open a /dev node for major 195"? How can I predict > that that's going to happen -- or make it happen if it otherwise > wouldn't -- so > that the alias command will make the module load? If you have a static /dev directory, then you might have something like this: crw-rw---- 1 root video 195, 0 2008-02-17 10:39 /dev/nvidia0 This character device has majpr 195 and minor 0. So if you try to open it, and the kernel goes "No driver is handling that major/minor right now, so I will ask modprobe for help". modprobe then sees an alias that says anything with major 195 on a character device should load something named 'nvidia' so it loads the module nvidia and returns to the kernel. Hopefully the nvidia module then loaded and now provides a driver for the character device 195,0 and the original request can proceed, otherwise the kernel returns -ENODEV to the program trying to open /dev/nvidia0. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 19:07:26 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:07:26 -0500 Subject: Xenix FS history lesson please In-Reply-To: <47BE2974.3030807-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47BE2974.3030807@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20080225190726.GC1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 08:46:28PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > I've been trying to get some documentation done on my program, and I > want to have a section on the various file systems. However, I am having > next to no luck finding information on, or the differences between, the > Xenix '/root' and '/usr' filesystems. I even looked up the old Xenix > programming manual (closest I could find to a sysadmin doc) from 1979, > but could not find the differences. > > Anyone here remember anything about those filesystems? (IDs 02h [Xenix > /root] and 03h [Xenix /usr]) > > I'm not worried so much about nitty gritty details, just a high-level > idea of what they were and what the differences between those two were. They might be the same filesystem, but use different partition IDs to tell the boot loader or kernel which is which. Microsoft used to think partition IDs were a good way to tell what kind of partition it was after all. Most modern system consider them a hint at best. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 19:13:51 2008 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:13:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: I've never understood how you manage kernel modules at boot time In-Reply-To: <20080225132538.2iq1xjrpa84kck00-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080225151434.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080225132538.2iq1xjrpa84kck00@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Mike Oliver wrote: > Quoting Lennart Sorensen : > > > Another way to make things load is with aliases such as: > > alias char-major-195-* nvidia > > > > That means whenever something tries to open a /dev node for major 195 > > then load the module named nvidia to try and provide such a device. > > OK, this is the exact spot where neither the documentation nor anyone > else ever seems to explain what's going on. Exactly *why* does > "something try to open a /dev node for major 195"? How can I predict > that that's going to happen -- or make it happen if it otherwise wouldn't -- > so > that the alias command will make the module load? i'm not sure if this is addressing your question, but you *seem* to be asking exactly what it is that attempts to create a special device file. is *that* what you're asking? rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 19:33:00 2008 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:33:00 -0500 Subject: I've never understood how you manage kernel modules at boot time In-Reply-To: References: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080225151434.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080225132538.2iq1xjrpa84kck00@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20080225143300.8peyt8i204sogs0w@mail.math.yorku.ca> Quoting "Robert P. J. Day" : > On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Mike Oliver wrote: >> OK, this is the exact spot where neither the documentation nor anyone >> else ever seems to explain what's going on. Exactly *why* does >> "something try to open a /dev node for major 195"? How can I predict >> that that's going to happen -- or make it happen if it otherwise wouldn't -- >> so >> that the alias command will make the module load? > > i'm not sure if this is addressing your question, but you *seem* to be > asking exactly what it is that attempts to create a special device > file. is *that* what you're asking? Possibly. If you would be kind enough to answer that question, I might be able to figure out whether it's the one I'm asking. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 19:37:38 2008 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:37:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: I've never understood how you manage kernel modules at boot time In-Reply-To: <20080225143300.8peyt8i204sogs0w-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080225151434.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080225132538.2iq1xjrpa84kck00@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080225143300.8peyt8i204sogs0w@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Mike Oliver wrote: > Quoting "Robert P. J. Day" : > > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Mike Oliver wrote: > > > OK, this is the exact spot where neither the documentation nor anyone > > > else ever seems to explain what's going on. Exactly *why* does > > > "something try to open a /dev node for major 195"? How can I predict > > > that that's going to happen -- or make it happen if it otherwise wouldn't > > > -- > > > so > > > that the alias command will make the module load? > > > > i'm not sure if this is addressing your question, but you *seem* to be > > asking exactly what it is that attempts to create a special device > > file. is *that* what you're asking? > > Possibly. If you would be kind enough to answer that question, I might > be able to figure out whether it's the one I'm asking. well, it's the job of kernel code to "register" for a major device number and possibly multiple minor numbers with a call to, say, "register_chrdev". if that call succeeds, then a record of that is made in /proc/devices: $ cat /proc/devices Character devices: 1 mem 4 /dev/vc/0 4 tty 4 ttyS 5 /dev/tty 5 /dev/console 5 /dev/ptmx 7 vcs 10 misc 13 input 14 sound 21 sg 29 fb 81 video4linux ... in addition, in the old days, once that succeeded, it was still *your* job to use "mknod" to create a device file with the appropriate attributes. these days, that's normally done automatically via "udev" and the udev rules. but in terms of where the whole process starts, it's the kernel code that gets things rolling by attempting to allocate a major device number as above. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 19:40:04 2008 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:40:04 -0500 Subject: I've never understood how you manage kernel modules at boot time In-Reply-To: <20080225184920.GB1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080225151434.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080225132538.2iq1xjrpa84kck00@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080225184920.GB1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080225144004.6zgdcbxdwgogkck8@mail.math.yorku.ca> Quoting Lennart Sorensen : > > If you have a static /dev directory, then you might have something like > this: > > crw-rw---- 1 root video 195, 0 2008-02-17 10:39 /dev/nvidia0 > > This character device has majpr 195 and minor 0. So if you try to open > it, and the kernel goes "No driver is handling that major/minor right > now, so I will ask modprobe for help". > > modprobe then sees an alias that says anything with major 195 on a > character device should load something named 'nvidia' so it loads the > module nvidia and returns to the kernel. Hopefully the nvidia module > then loaded and now provides a driver for the character device 195,0 and > the original request can proceed, otherwise the kernel returns -ENODEV > to the program trying to open /dev/nvidia0. OK, this is some help, thanks; I'll look at my /dev directory when I get home. But I still don't understand the sequence of events. I *don't* try to open /dev/nvidia0; it's some script at boot time that does that, I suppose (or would if I used nVidia), but I don't know which script or how to find it. Grepping through the various /etc/rcN.d/ directories is tedious and has not historically seemed to turn up what I'm looking for, quite possibly because I don't *know* what I'm looking for. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 19:42:26 2008 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:42:26 -0500 Subject: I've never understood how you manage kernel modules at boot time In-Reply-To: References: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080225151434.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080225132538.2iq1xjrpa84kck00@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080225143300.8peyt8i204sogs0w@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20080225144226.tz2bxnss0skkkokw@mail.math.yorku.ca> Quoting "Robert P. J. Day" : > well, it's the job of kernel code to "register" for a major device > number and possibly multiple minor numbers with a call to, say, > "register_chrdev". if that call succeeds, then a record of that is > made in /proc/devices: > > $ cat /proc/devices > Character devices: > 1 mem > 4 /dev/vc/0 > 4 tty > 4 ttyS > 5 /dev/tty > 5 /dev/console > 5 /dev/ptmx > 7 vcs > 10 misc > 13 input > 14 sound > 21 sg > 29 fb > 81 video4linux > ... > > in addition, in the old days, once that succeeded, it was still > *your* job to use "mknod" to create a device file with the appropriate > attributes. > > these days, that's normally done automatically via "udev" and the > udev rules. but in terms of where the whole process starts, it's the > kernel code that gets things rolling by attempting to allocate a major > device number as above. OK, getting somewhere, I think. So how do I set things up so that the kernel registers a new device at boot time, that it isn't currently registering? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 19:51:57 2008 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:51:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: I've never understood how you manage kernel modules at boot time In-Reply-To: <20080225144004.6zgdcbxdwgogkck8-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080225151434.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080225132538.2iq1xjrpa84kck00@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080225184920.GB1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080225144004.6zgdcbxdwgogkck8@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Mike Oliver wrote: > Quoting Lennart Sorensen : > > > > If you have a static /dev directory, then you might have something like > > this: > > > > crw-rw---- 1 root video 195, 0 2008-02-17 10:39 /dev/nvidia0 > > > > This character device has majpr 195 and minor 0. So if you try to open > > it, and the kernel goes "No driver is handling that major/minor right > > now, so I will ask modprobe for help". > > > > modprobe then sees an alias that says anything with major 195 on a > > character device should load something named 'nvidia' so it loads the > > module nvidia and returns to the kernel. Hopefully the nvidia module > > then loaded and now provides a driver for the character device 195,0 and > > the original request can proceed, otherwise the kernel returns -ENODEV > > to the program trying to open /dev/nvidia0. > > OK, this is some help, thanks; I'll look at my /dev directory when I > get home. But I still don't understand the sequence of events. I > *don't* try to open /dev/nvidia0; it's some script at boot time that > does that, I suppose (or would if I used nVidia), but I don't know > which script or how to find it. Grepping through the various > /etc/rcN.d/ directories is tedious and has not historically seemed > to turn up what I'm looking for, quite possibly because I don't > *know* what I'm looking for. by the time you get to trying to "open" a device file like /dev/nvidia, everything underneath has already been set up. that device file will have a major and minor device number, and those two values will map to some kernel code that is already registered at those values. let's look at an example: kernel source, file drivers/media/video/videodev.c: ... #define VIDEO_NAME "video4linux" ... static int __init videodev_init(void) { int ret; printk(KERN_INFO "Linux video capture interface: v2.00\n"); if (register_chrdev(VIDEO_MAJOR, VIDEO_NAME, &video_fops)) { printk(KERN_WARNING "video_dev: unable to get major %d\n", VIDEO_MAJOR); return -EIO; ... taking my word that VIDEO_MAJOR is defined as the value 81, what the code above does at load time is try to allocate the major number 81 for a character device. if that works, then you'll get this line in /proc/devices as verification: 81 video4linux all that's telling you is that major number 81 for char devices is now allocated to the kernel name "video4linux" -- it *hasn't* created a special device file that corresponds to it yet. however, if you look under /dev, it's clear that there's a /dev file for it: $ ls -l /dev/video0 crw-rw----+ 1 root root 81, 0 2008-02-24 07:57 /dev/video0 so where did that device file come from? good question -- i'm guessing /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules: ... # video4linux KERNEL=="vbi0", SYMLINK+="vbi" KERNEL=="radio0", SYMLINK+="radio" KERNEL=="video0", SYMLINK+="video" ... does that clear things up a bit? rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 19:54:22 2008 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:54:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: I've never understood how you manage kernel modules at boot time In-Reply-To: <20080225144226.tz2bxnss0skkkokw-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080225151434.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080225132538.2iq1xjrpa84kck00@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080225143300.8peyt8i204sogs0w@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080225144226.tz2bxnss0skkkokw@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Mike Oliver wrote: > Quoting "Robert P. J. Day" : > > > well, it's the job of kernel code to "register" for a major device > > number and possibly multiple minor numbers with a call to, say, > > "register_chrdev". if that call succeeds, then a record of that is > > made in /proc/devices: > > > > $ cat /proc/devices > > Character devices: > > 1 mem > > 4 /dev/vc/0 > > 4 tty > > 4 ttyS > > 5 /dev/tty > > 5 /dev/console > > 5 /dev/ptmx > > 7 vcs > > 10 misc > > 13 input > > 14 sound > > 21 sg > > 29 fb > > 81 video4linux > > ... > > > > in addition, in the old days, once that succeeded, it was still > > *your* job to use "mknod" to create a device file with the appropriate > > attributes. > > > > these days, that's normally done automatically via "udev" and the > > udev rules. but in terms of where the whole process starts, it's the > > kernel code that gets things rolling by attempting to allocate a major > > device number as above. > > OK, getting somewhere, I think. So how do I set things up so that > the kernel registers a new device at boot time, > that it isn't currently registering? see my newest post -- it's various kernel drivers that try to grab a major character device number with "register_chrdev" -- everything follows from that. having a special device file does you no good unless there's underlying kernel code that's allocated that major number. in your case, the nvidia driver, when it's loaded, *must* try to allocate a major number that's going to correspond to the eventual special device file. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 20:19:36 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:19:36 -0500 Subject: I've never understood how you manage kernel modules at boot time In-Reply-To: <20080225144004.6zgdcbxdwgogkck8-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080225024709.uod3ogr80c4c0sgk@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080225151434.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080225132538.2iq1xjrpa84kck00@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080225184920.GB1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080225144004.6zgdcbxdwgogkck8@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20080225201936.GD1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 02:40:04PM -0500, Mike Oliver wrote: > OK, this is some help, thanks; I'll look at my /dev directory when I get > home. But I still don't understand the sequence of events. I *don't* > try to open /dev/nvidia0; it's some script at boot time that does that, > I suppose (or would if I used nVidia), but I don't know which script or > how to find it. Grepping through the various /etc/rcN.d/ directories is > tedious and has not historically seemed to turn up what I'm looking for, > quite possibly because I don't *know* what I'm looking for. The nvidia X server uses /dev/nvidia0. With more systems going to udev with a dynamic /dev, there aren't static entries for a lot of things anymore, so the modules have to be loaded some other way, often by detecting PCI device IDs and loading modules that support those IDs (udev does this), or by listing the module explicitly for load at boot (which /dev/modules does on debian, not sure about other systems. modprobe.d/modprobe.conf does not have anything to do with that.) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 20:22:23 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:22:23 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 7.10 and COmpiz In-Reply-To: <47BB913A.2060607-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <47BB913A.2060607@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <20080225202223.GE1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 09:32:26PM -0500, Jose wrote: > Hi list, > > I have upgraded my home computer from 7.04 to 7.10, and everything > worked ok, I wanted to try the compiz thing, and I uploaded the > packages, including the core, manager, plugins. I also configured my ATI > Radeon x1600 crad with the latest driver from ATI, and the screen > manager shows > me that my graphic card is fglrx, I had to disabled thie driver from the > black list file, but I can't turn on the special effects, it keeps > telling me that it can't enable them, not even the basic ones, I can see > the compiz manager configured already but it's not working. > > Not sure if the ATI drives are properly configured, as I still see MESA > when I run the fglxinfo program. > > Any advice would be welcome The ATI drivers don't support GLX and Composition at the same time. You get one or the other but not both. People have complained about this for years, but hey you are dealing with ATI and software just isn't something they have ever done well. Neither is customer service. Works fine on nvidia drivers of course. Maybe someday ATI will fix this stupidity in their drivers, but given how many years it has been so far, I don't have much hope. I just won't buy ATI hardware. I don't really bother even checking on their state anymore. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 20:24:47 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:24:47 -0500 Subject: Dovecot not honouring /etc/aliases Message-ID: <20080225202447.GA28360@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I am using a Postfix/Dovecot setup on Debian stable, and it works just fine for regular virtual users, but I am finding that mail for root and postmaster, which should go to a specified address, is instead getting delivered to the virtual root user. It appears that Postfix is handing everything to Dovecot, and Dovecot sees root at localdomain and delivers it to /home/vmail/localdomain/root rather than the user at localdomain that I specified in /etc/aliases. I have been sure to run newaliases, and restart the relevant services, but it is still not working. Any tips? Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 20:57:04 2008 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:57:04 -0500 Subject: Knoppix 5.2 Message-ID: <49e826e90802251257r11d33393t6dde4dc12b9d963a@mail.gmail.com> Hi Knoppix 5.2 was supposed to have been released last year. It has not been released as yet. Does anyone know the release date? 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Date & Time: Tues Feb 26th. 7 - 10pm Topics: 1) Hardware: what works and what doesn't 2) Question and answer session done along the lines of a Unix Unanimous meeting. also, some of us plan to go to Tim Horton's on Keele St (just north of Pond Rd) for some apres-meet discussion/debate/IT-world-problem-solving, so if you can't make the 1st meeting come to the 2nd. Location: Room S1209 Stephen E. Quinlan building (SEQ) - Seneca at York Building number 40 on the map: http://www.yorku.ca/web/futurestudents/map/KeeleMasterMap.pdf The Seneca at York Campus, which is physically located in the south east part of York University, at Keele/Steeles. (note that this room is different from the usual one) Directions: For detailed directions and info on public transit, please see: http://cs.senecac.on.ca/~praveen.mitera/seneca-directions.html Parking: Paid parking is available on campus (about: $8). Building #84 on the map above is a close-by parking garage. - note #87 the parking lot is no longer for visitors so PLEASE use the parking garage (#84) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Herb Richter Richter Equipment, Toronto, Ontario http://PartsAndService.com http://PartsAndService.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 21:13:27 2008 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:13:27 -0500 Subject: Yet Another iPod Question In-Reply-To: <200802251344.55268.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3084D.1010900@sympatico.ca> <200802251344.55268.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <47C32F77.7020302@sympatico.ca> Jason Shein wrote: > On February 25, 2008 01:26:21 pm Moniz Family wrote: > >> I looked over a lot of the posts on MP3 players from last September (has >> it been that long already) and got some of the answers I need, but would >> like to confirm the following. It seems clear that Amarock will do the >> music transfers, but will it transfer video files to the iPod? If not, >> what would? Finally, what about transferring photos, is there a specific >> package required? >> >> > > My daughter is currently using Floola to manage her 6th Generation iPod 8GB > with video. No issues at all ( so far ) > > http://www.floola.com/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=WiwiHome > > The only caveat is that you have to copy one song to the ipod with itunes to > initialize the ipod. > > Gtkpod does not work, as it only has the settings for the silver version, and > the ipod identification is regulated by the colour. Floola looks interesting. I'm not sure how it works yet, but are you saying to copy one song with itunes before installing floola or after? Thanks, John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 22:15:30 2008 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:15:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Dovecot not honouring /etc/aliases In-Reply-To: <20080225202447.GA28360-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20080225202447.GA28360@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <141812.57437.qm@web65504.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Email are distributed by postfix and not by Dovecot. Therefore, the aliases are for postfix and not for Dovecot. Try running postmap to compile the aliases text file into the alias database that postfix can read. You might (though I doubt) need to reload postfix as well. EK William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: I am using a Postfix/Dovecot setup on Debian stable, and it works just fine for regular virtual users, but I am finding that mail for root and postmaster, which should go to a specified address, is instead getting delivered to the virtual root user. It appears that Postfix is handing everything to Dovecot, and Dovecot sees root at localdomain and delivers it to /home/vmail/localdomain/root rather than the user at localdomain that I specified in /etc/aliases. I have been sure to run newaliases, and restart the relevant services, but it is still not working. Any tips? Thanks. -- yours, William --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This thing gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or failure--is certainly reached" -- Thomas Edison in a letter to Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 22:24:03 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:24:03 -0500 Subject: Knoppix 5.2 In-Reply-To: <49e826e90802251257r11d33393t6dde4dc12b9d963a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <49e826e90802251257r11d33393t6dde4dc12b9d963a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080225222403.GF1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 03:57:04PM -0500, Asaf Maruf wrote: > Knoppix 5.2 was supposed to have been released last year. It has not been > released as yet. Does anyone know the release date? It was released. It just isn't available for free download. 5.3 is being released at CeBIT as far as I can tell, and it seems one of those at least will be released for free download by the early summer. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 22:32:06 2008 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:32:06 -0500 Subject: Knoppix 5.2 In-Reply-To: <20080225222403.GF1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <49e826e90802251257r11d33393t6dde4dc12b9d963a@mail.gmail.com> <20080225222403.GF1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <49e826e90802251432j450b87abn5f49aea7444c7397@mail.gmail.com> Hi If i am not wrong, 5.2 was also scheduled for release either at CeBIT or COMDEX. Klaus Knopper has been pretty regular in releasing latest versions and never hinted they will start charging. Hopefully we can get to download 5.3. Thanks Asaf On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 03:57:04PM -0500, Asaf Maruf wrote: > > Knoppix 5.2 was supposed to have been released last year. It has not > been > > released as yet. Does anyone know the release date? > > It was released. It just isn't available for free download. 5.3 is > being released at CeBIT as far as I can tell, and it seems one of those > at least will be released for free download by the early summer. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- "I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." - Richard P. Feynman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 22:48:18 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:48:18 -0500 Subject: Xenix FS history lesson please In-Reply-To: <20080225190726.GC1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47BE2974.3030807@alteeve.com> <20080225190726.GC1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47C345B2.1010102@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 08:46:28PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > >> I've been trying to get some documentation done on my program, and I >> want to have a section on the various file systems. However, I am having >> next to no luck finding information on, or the differences between, the >> Xenix '/root' and '/usr' filesystems. I even looked up the old Xenix >> programming manual (closest I could find to a sysadmin doc) from 1979, >> but could not find the differences. >> >> Anyone here remember anything about those filesystems? (IDs 02h [Xenix >> /root] and 03h [Xenix /usr]) >> >> I'm not worried so much about nitty gritty details, just a high-level >> idea of what they were and what the differences between those two were. >> > > They might be the same filesystem, but use different partition IDs to > tell the boot loader or kernel which is which. Microsoft used to think > partition IDs were a good way to tell what kind of partition it was > after all. Which is, of course, why they used the same ID for NTFS, as was already used for HPFS. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 23:15:36 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:15:36 -0500 Subject: Knoppix 5.2 In-Reply-To: <49e826e90802251432j450b87abn5f49aea7444c7397-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <49e826e90802251257r11d33393t6dde4dc12b9d963a@mail.gmail.com> <20080225222403.GF1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <49e826e90802251432j450b87abn5f49aea7444c7397@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080225231536.GG1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 05:32:06PM -0500, Asaf Maruf wrote: > If i am not wrong, 5.2 was also scheduled for release either at CeBIT or > COMDEX. Klaus Knopper has been pretty regular in releasing latest versions > and never hinted they will start charging. > > Hopefully we can get to download 5.3. Thanks Many releases were available initially only with magazines at cebit and the like, or by ordering them from a distributer. This is nothing new. The only thing that is new is that there hasn't been a release for free for so long. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 23:16:29 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:16:29 -0500 Subject: Xenix FS history lesson please In-Reply-To: <47C345B2.1010102-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47BE2974.3030807@alteeve.com> <20080225190726.GC1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C345B2.1010102@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080225231629.GH1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 05:48:18PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Which is, of course, why they used the same ID for NTFS, as was already > used for HPFS. ;-) Or a handy way to screw OS/2 users. Of course NT 3.x supported using HPFS and could convert HPFS to NTFS as well, so keeping the ID was just fine for Microsoft. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 23:19:17 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:19:17 -0500 Subject: NFS server - /proc/net/rpc/nfsd In-Reply-To: <49e826e90802191214g547262bcj2f7c9ccb1f899f78-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <750844.76021.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <49e826e90802191214g547262bcj2f7c9ccb1f899f78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080225231917.GI1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 03:14:20PM -0500, Asaf Maruf wrote: > Hi > Here are some tips you could use to improve overall performance: > > 16 is a good number to start with. Increasing the number of threads for > non-Solaris OS can create performance issues as memory is allocated upfront > and threads are activated on every request. > > Run nfsstat -rc on the client. The value under TimeOuts should be small > indicating a healthy network. Ensure that both server and clients are > running the current NFS version 3 or 4. Can also force server and clients to > use TCP like so: > mount -o proto=tcp server:/export /nfs > > Using the mount command, the read and write blocks can be increased to 32k > for better performance > > Some recommended values for improving NFS performance: > > MTU size increase to 4000-9000 bytes Hard to do unless you run gigabit ethernet with jumbo frame support. > NFS block size 8KBytes > Increasing hard disk speed by using hdparm If you have to do that these days, then you should upgrade your kernel to something a bit more up to date. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 23:33:25 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:33:25 -0500 Subject: network segmentation without using vlans In-Reply-To: References: <47BB0934.6040704@gmail.com> <47BB495B.5080404@rogers.com> <47BB6E64.6030407@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080225233325.GJ1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 04:13:42PM -0800, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > You don't need to enable auto-negotiation. You can very easily set > the link speed using a variety of tools used in your Linux distro :-) > Additionally, there are many wires in a standard CAT6 cable. Quiz: > Which wires could you eliminate and still send data out, even linking > properly to a switch using manual negotiation? :-) Are you sure it > is not possible, or are you merely stating a claim which you have not > verified... If you want gigabit, then you can elliminate zero wires. For 10 or 100Mbit you could leave just the one pair you want (well unless you are a weirdo using 100BaseT4 in which case you can't elliminate any). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 23:36:26 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:36:26 -0500 Subject: CM8738 in FC4 In-Reply-To: <47B8E48C.2010605-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47B8E48C.2010605@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080225233626.GK1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 08:51:08PM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I want to get my wife's FC4 computer playing sound. I'm not going to try > anything heroic like the failed e-mu1212m / alsa troubleshoot on the > ubuntu machine, but she bought a pair of computer speakers and would > like to be able to play mp3's and play youtube videos. Of course, sound > is not coming out of the speakers. > > system-config-soundcard detects: > > Vendor: C-Media > Model: Electronics Inc. CM8738 > Module: snd-cmipci > > I hit the 'Play test sound' button and system-config-soundcard freezes. > > lspci sees the card as well: > 00:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) > > Can't I just download an alsa that will work with FC4 and then untar it > and run an executable? Editing the repository file in ubuntu didn't work > for me. I'm not sure I want to do the equivalent on this machine in FC4. > It's the administration production machine for our business and with tax > time coming up I don't want to tell her I pooched the OS to get youtube > playing. > > And yeah, I know, FC4 sucks and it's obsolete and I should switch to > distro x, y or z because it's great and everything will just "work". > Well my experience tells me this is not so, so I would like to make it > work without any latest'n'greatest stuff. Since alsa to some extent has to be part of the kernel (drivers are like that), you can not just upgrade it trivially. You could always go to a newer FC, althought I get the impression FC upgrades can be as hard to make work as switching to a different distribution all together. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 23:44:31 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:44:31 -0500 Subject: USB based Bluetooth receiver/transmitter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080225234431.GL1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 07:11:08AM +0300, William Muriithi wrote: > I want to attempt using bluetooth to send out sms. This will entail > tether a desktop to the cell phone for connectivity. So, I think I > will need a bluetooth hardware that should play well with bluez (The > Linux bluetooth stack) and Nokia bluetooth stack. I am assuming that > Nokia has reused most of their software across most of their phones, > so being specific about the phone isn't necessary. If that assumption > is however wrong, I would love to connect to a Nokia 6300. > > Now, the first thing I did was to go on line for some hardware > compatibility thing of sort. Haha, seem that such a list existed > sometime back, but apparently Marcel Holtmann was forced to take it > down. Looking closer, it look like its still there but haven't been > update for over 2 years. Thats when I thought may be I should ask > here, just in case someone has worked on it recently. > > Whats the best hardware to pick up to enable me fulfill the above > small project? I would appreciate sharing any pertinent experience > here Well a quick search found this adapter: http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=014623&cid=IO.940 Supports bluetooth 2.0 and all that. Another quick search found a bunch of ubuntu users saying it worked out of the box with no configuration required on their part using gutsy. My wife's tablet PC has no problem using the internal bluetooth adapter either under linux, although I have no idea how one would make it actually do anything but it is detected and claims to be working. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 26 02:16:33 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:16:33 -0500 Subject: CM8738 in FC4 In-Reply-To: <20080225233626.GK1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47B8E48C.2010605@chrisaitken.net> <20080225233626.GK1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080226021633.27870.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> I'm okay with this - I responded to my own post about a week ago. I simply ran 'yum install alsa-driver' (and it installed asla-driver-devel as well). The card works fine now - youtube plays fine. Thanks, Chris Lennart Sorensen writes: > On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 08:51:08PM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: >> I want to get my wife's FC4 computer playing sound. I'm not going to try >> anything heroic like the failed e-mu1212m / alsa troubleshoot on the >> ubuntu machine, but she bought a pair of computer speakers and would >> like to be able to play mp3's and play youtube videos. Of course, sound >> is not coming out of the speakers. >> >> system-config-soundcard detects: >> >> Vendor: C-Media >> Model: Electronics Inc. CM8738 >> Module: snd-cmipci >> >> I hit the 'Play test sound' button and system-config-soundcard freezes. >> >> lspci sees the card as well: >> 00:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) >> >> Can't I just download an alsa that will work with FC4 and then untar it >> and run an executable? Editing the repository file in ubuntu didn't work >> for me. I'm not sure I want to do the equivalent on this machine in FC4. >> It's the administration production machine for our business and with tax >> time coming up I don't want to tell her I pooched the OS to get youtube >> playing. >> >> And yeah, I know, FC4 sucks and it's obsolete and I should switch to >> distro x, y or z because it's great and everything will just "work". >> Well my experience tells me this is not so, so I would like to make it >> work without any latest'n'greatest stuff. > > Since alsa to some extent has to be part of the kernel (drivers are like > that), you can not just upgrade it trivially. > > You could always go to a newer FC, althought I get the impression FC > upgrades can be as hard to make work as switching to a different > distribution all together. :) > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 26 04:34:43 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:34:43 +0300 Subject: USB based Bluetooth receiver/transmitter In-Reply-To: <20080225234431.GL1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080225234431.GL1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Hi, Cool. I will pick one tomorrow. I am surprised how cheap it is compare to another one I say in future shop. It was selling almost twice as much and had something to do with broadcom, and since those guys have a reputation of being hostile to open source, I left it alone. Regards, William On 26/02/2008, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 07:11:08AM +0300, William Muriithi wrote: > > I want to attempt using bluetooth to send out sms. This will entail > > tether a desktop to the cell phone for connectivity. So, I think I > > will need a bluetooth hardware that should play well with bluez (The > > Linux bluetooth stack) and Nokia bluetooth stack. I am assuming that > > Nokia has reused most of their software across most of their phones, > > so being specific about the phone isn't necessary. If that assumption > > is however wrong, I would love to connect to a Nokia 6300. > > > > Now, the first thing I did was to go on line for some hardware > > compatibility thing of sort. Haha, seem that such a list existed > > sometime back, but apparently Marcel Holtmann was forced to take it > > down. Looking closer, it look like its still there but haven't been > > update for over 2 years. Thats when I thought may be I should ask > > here, just in case someone has worked on it recently. > > > > Whats the best hardware to pick up to enable me fulfill the above > > small project? I would appreciate sharing any pertinent experience > > here > > > Well a quick search found this adapter: > http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=014623&cid=IO.940 > > Supports bluetooth 2.0 and all that. > > Another quick search found a bunch of ubuntu users saying it worked out > of the box with no configuration required on their part using gutsy. > > My wife's tablet PC has no problem using the internal bluetooth adapter > either under linux, although I have no idea how one would make it > actually do anything but it is detected and claims to be working. > > > -- > Len Sorensen > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 26 13:58:08 2008 From: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:58:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: PegaSoft - Meeting Canceled Message-ID: Tonight's meeting is canceled due to snow. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 26 14:31:46 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:31:46 -0500 Subject: USB based Bluetooth receiver/transmitter In-Reply-To: References: <20080225234431.GL1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080226143146.GM1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 07:34:43AM +0300, William Muriithi wrote: > Cool. I will pick one tomorrow. I am surprised how cheap it is > compare to another one I say in future shop. It was selling almost > twice as much and had something to do with broadcom, and since those > guys have a reputation of being hostile to open source, I left it > alone. Buying computer hardware at futureshop is nuts. They either have only junk, or they charge 2 or 3 times what it really costs. When they put something on sale at 50% off it just means they are aproaching normal pricing. Broadcom does seem to be best avoided in general. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 26 15:05:20 2008 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:05:20 -0500 Subject: Yet Another iPod Question In-Reply-To: <47C32F77.7020302-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3084D.1010900@sympatico.ca> <200802251344.55268.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <47C32F77.7020302@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200802261005.21014.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 25, 2008 04:13:27 pm John Moniz wrote: > Floola looks interesting. I'm not sure how it works yet, but are you > saying to copy one song with itunes before installing floola or after? > As per the documentation, at least one song needs to be transferred to the iPod prior to using Floola. I personally prefer gtkpod, but it only works for certain colours and size combinations of the iPod nano. Of the 8gb models, only the silver version is supported due to device IDs. If you attempt to attach gtkpd to an unsupported nano, it trashes the database, and requires a repair using iTunes. ( as I found out ) Floola works great for videos, mp3. and cover art on my daughters ( green 8GB nano ) -- Jason Shein Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 647 ) - 505 - 5002 http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 26 10:11:53 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:11:53 +0000 Subject: Did an update, now Kubuntu can't log in Message-ID: <47C3E5E9.9080206@telly.org> Hello all, After doing a recent automated update, a current Kubuntu system isn't letting me log in. KDE gets to the second icon (the gears) and then the x server just spontaneously dies and restarts. Here are the last lines of .xsession-errors : kdecore (KLocale): WARNING: Definition of PluralForm is none of NoPlural/TwoForms/French/OneTwoRest/Russian/Polish/Slovenian/Lithuanian/Czech/Slovak/Arabic/Balcan/Macedonian/Gaeilge/Maltese: Definition of PluralForm - to be set by the translator of kdelibs.po startkde: Shutting down... Warning: connect() failed: : Connection refused Error: Can't contact kdeinit! ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 6375, errno = 0 startkde: Running shutdown scripts... startkde: Done. Any suggestions? Did anyone else get bitten by this? I recall that the English language packs were recently upgraded. Thanks! - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 26 15:14:18 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:14:18 -0500 Subject: USB based Bluetooth receiver/transmitter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a97ef0802260714q626fc3f1y49da3a3c0e9f9962@mail.gmail.com> I haven't really had any problems with bluetooth in general with linux. All of the adaptors I've tried (two internal bluetooth adaptors on HP laptops, and 2-3 USB dongles) worked fine once I added USB bluetooth support and the bluetooth kernel stack. Two of the bluetooth adaptors I used were the el'cheapo variety with weird Chinese brand-names. There were no compatibility issues, although in some cases the range sucked (shouldn't be a problem if you're keeping the phone or whatnot right by the phone). You might want to check about grabbing one of the cheap ones from a small store or perhaps ebay as opposed to some expensive brand-name one from a bigger-box store. On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 11:11 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > Hi pals, > > I want to attempt using bluetooth to send out sms. This will entail > tether a desktop to the cell phone for connectivity. So, I think I > will need a bluetooth hardware that should play well with bluez (The > Linux bluetooth stack) and Nokia bluetooth stack. I am assuming that > Nokia has reused most of their software across most of their phones, > so being specific about the phone isn't necessary. If that assumption > is however wrong, I would love to connect to a Nokia 6300. > > Now, the first thing I did was to go on line for some hardware > compatibility thing of sort. Haha, seem that such a list existed > sometime back, but apparently Marcel Holtmann was forced to take it > down. Looking closer, it look like its still there but haven't been > update for over 2 years. Thats when I thought may be I should ask > here, just in case someone has worked on it recently. > > Whats the best hardware to pick up to enable me fulfill the above > small project? I would appreciate sharing any pertinent experience > here > > Regards, > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 26 15:28:09 2008 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:28:09 -0500 Subject: Did an update, now Kubuntu can't log in In-Reply-To: <47C3E5E9.9080206-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3E5E9.9080206@telly.org> Message-ID: <200802261028.09592.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 26, 2008 05:11:53 am Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Hello all, > > After doing a recent automated update, a current Kubuntu system isn't > letting me log in. KDE gets to the second icon (the gears) and then the > x server just spontaneously dies and restarts. > > Here are the last lines of .xsession-errors : > > kdecore (KLocale): WARNING: Definition of PluralForm is none of > NoPlural/TwoForms/French/OneTwoRest/Russian/Polish/Slovenian/Lithuanian/Cze >ch/Slovak/Arabic/Balcan/Macedonian/Gaeilge/Maltese: Definition of PluralForm > - to be set by the translator of kdelibs.po startkde: Shutting down... > Warning: connect() failed: : Connection refused > Error: Can't contact kdeinit! > ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 6375, errno = 0 > startkde: Running shutdown scripts... > startkde: Done. > > Any suggestions? Did anyone else get bitten by this? I recall that the > English language packs were recently upgraded. Bug post: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-kde-en/+bug/195647 -- Jason Shein Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 647 ) - 505 - 5002 http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 26 10:38:03 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:38:03 +0000 Subject: Did an update, now Kubuntu can't log in In-Reply-To: <200802261028.09592.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3E5E9.9080206@telly.org> <200802261028.09592.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <47C3EC0B.4000007@telly.org> Jason Shein wrote: >> After doing a recent automated update, a current Kubuntu system isn't >> letting me log in. KDE gets to the second icon (the gears) and then the >> x server just spontaneously dies and restarts. Thanks for the link. > > Bug post: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-kde-en/+bug/195647 > Thanks for the link. This is the second instance of really sloppy work by the Canadian KDE language pack team in the last half-year: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/135084 Even the most basic testing of this update would have revealed the problem. Sigh. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 26 15:27:30 2008 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:27:30 -0500 Subject: Did an update, now Kubuntu can't log in In-Reply-To: <47C3E5E9.9080206-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3E5E9.9080206@telly.org> Message-ID: <200802261027.30171.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 26, 2008 05:11:53 am Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Hello all, > > After doing a recent automated update, a current Kubuntu system isn't > letting me log in. KDE gets to the second icon (the gears) and then the > x server just spontaneously dies and restarts. > > Here are the last lines of .xsession-errors : > > kdecore (KLocale): WARNING: Definition of PluralForm is none of > NoPlural/TwoForms/French/OneTwoRest/Russian/Polish/Slovenian/Lithuanian/Cze >ch/Slovak/Arabic/Balcan/Macedonian/Gaeilge/Maltese: Definition of PluralForm > - to be set by the translator of kdelibs.po startkde: Shutting down... > Warning: connect() failed: : Connection refused > Error: Can't contact kdeinit! > ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 6375, errno = 0 > startkde: Running shutdown scripts... > startkde: Done. > > Any suggestions? Did anyone else get bitten by this? I recall that the > English language packs were recently upgraded. > Got nailed by this late last night 1. login under failsafe mode 2. sudo qt-language-selector --mode select 2. Choose English-US -- Jason Shein Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 647 ) - 505 - 5002 http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 26 15:57:52 2008 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:57:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Did an update, now Kubuntu can't log in In-Reply-To: <47C3E5E9.9080206-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3E5E9.9080206@telly.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > After doing a recent automated update, a current Kubuntu system isn't > letting me log in. On Sunday I installed some updates to my Gutsy system. When I rebooted, grub said "File not found", and the system would not boot. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 26 16:08:25 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:08:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: A local MythTV mailing list. Message-ID: <797963.23194.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just to note, it looks like we now have a local MythTV mailing list, courtesy of Drew Sullivan. MythTV for those who don't know is a personal video recorder program done with free software. The most commonly used platform for MythTV is Linux, although the program has also been ported to Mac OS X and Windows. To subscribe send the word "subscribe" (minus the quote marks) as the only thing in the body of the message to mythtv-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (unsubscribe being done by sending "unsubscribe" (minus the quote marks) to the same address). There is an international MythTV users mailing list: http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users The problem with the above is two fold, first a fair bit of the material doesn't have application here in the GTA (issues with US cable companies or equipment issues for European MythTV users). Second issue is the above mailing list is fairly high volume (100+ messages per day). So, the goal with this mailing list is to have a modest volume, greater Toronto area centric source of information about MythTV. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 26 16:26:01 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:26:01 -0500 Subject: Did an update, now Kubuntu can't log in In-Reply-To: <200802261027.30171.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3E5E9.9080206@telly.org> <200802261027.30171.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <47C43D99.7010808@telly.org> Jason Shein wrote: > Got nailed by this late last night > > 1. login under failsafe mode > 2. sudo qt-language-selector --mode select > 2. Choose English-US > This worked. Thanks! - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tenger-ew0EfhANLmVEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 26 20:18:51 2008 From: tenger-ew0EfhANLmVEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org (Terrence Enger) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:18:51 -0500 Subject: Feb 26 NewTLUG meeting: Hardware: what works and what doesn't plus UU Q&A reminder In-Reply-To: <47C32D67.80304-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47C32D67.80304@buynet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20080226151851.016c2588@pop.istop.com> At 16:04 2008-02-25 -0500, Herb Richter wrote: >Directions: > >For detailed directions and info on public transit, please see: >http://cs.senecac.on.ca/~praveen.mitera/seneca-directions.html > I apologize somewhat for venting my annoyance to all you nice people, but here it is anyway ... For public transit, that link sends you to , which requires Adobe Flash Player, which has a license [sic] agreement just over 8 pages long (copied into OOo writer with default formatting on letter-size paper). For comparison, GPL version 2 fits in seven pages (, Firefox 2.0.0.12, print preview). Thank you. I can breathe more easily now. Terry -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 26 21:14:29 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:14:29 -0500 Subject: xmodmap Oddness Message-ID: <20080226211429.GA6002@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I recently got a new keyboard, and I have found some strangeness when remapping it's keys. All of the changes I usually make worked fine, save one. Ordinarily, I just fire up xev to get the keycode and then `xmodmap -e "keycode 64 = Control_L"`. And that has worked for all of my keys but one - my Alt_L (keycode 64). I was trying to remap it to Control_L, but it is staying subbornly Alt_L. Here's the output of xev for my uncooperative keyboard: KeyPress event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x1800001, root 0x63, subw 0x1800002, time 1468606840, (37,48), root:(1538,917), state 0x10, keycode 37 (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyPress event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x1800001, root 0x63, subw 0x1800002, time 1468618977, (37,48), root:(1538,917), state 0x10, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L), same_screen YES, XKeysymToKeycode returns keycode: 37 XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False The top key is working as expected, but the bottom one, which is the one I'd like to have actually be the Control_L, is claiming to be Control_L, as I remapped it, but when I press it is still actually Alt_L. The only difference I see is that the one that doesn't do what I'd like has a keysym remap. Given I put it there, that's not a huge surprise, but I am not sure what I should do. Any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 25 14:09:05 2008 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:09:05 -0500 Subject: OT text message scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080225140905.GA1949@waltdnes.org> On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 04:40:15PM -0500, Dave Cramer wrote > I just got a bill on my cell for 28 TXT messages for 32.50 > > I didn't sign up for these messages and apparently they are billed by the > sender. > > The number they come from is 33444. > > This is a good gig. Anyone know anything about this? Google is your friend. ***I SUGGEST NOT GOING TO THE FOLLOWING WEBSITE WITH IE***. A quick look turned up http://www.mtnonline.com/fun/Guess_who.asp and the title on the frame is "MTN Nigeria". Nuff said right there. The domain is hosted in the USA (see attachment). I doubt you entered your phone number anywhere. This is a weakness of the phone system. It's analagous to total lack of security in early internet protocols, because they were designed on the assumption that anybody on the "net" was a middle-class white male with a US military security clearance, and "Kremvax" was an April fools joke. Now the "Russian Business Network" is exploiting that lack of security. The old phome system consisted of a bunch of monopolies, an "old boys club", where deals were cemented with handshakes. One company sent a bill to another company's customer, and it was processed without question. Now, a bunch of sleazebag outfits are taking advantage of this laxness to send fraudulent bills. You may be able to get that one number blocked, but there will be others. I suggest that you contact the CRTC, and ask them to consider setting up a requirement that customers be able, at no cost, to have their phone accounts flagged to not be billed by 3rd parties under any circumstances. The phone company should not be a collection agency for a bunch of con-artists. -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... 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From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 26 23:18:53 2008 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:18:53 -0500 Subject: OT text message scam In-Reply-To: <20080225140905.GA1949-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20080225140905.GA1949@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <556D6C38-307E-44B0-88C5-F78664C66CA6@visibleassets.com> On 25-Feb-08, at 9:09 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 04:40:15PM -0500, Dave Cramer wrote >> I just got a bill on my cell for 28 TXT messages for 32.50 >> >> I didn't sign up for these messages and apparently they are billed >> by the >> sender. >> >> The number they come from is 33444. >> >> This is a good gig. Anyone know anything about this? > > Google is your friend. ***I SUGGEST NOT GOING TO THE FOLLOWING > WEBSITE > WITH IE***. A quick look turned up > http://www.mtnonline.com/fun/Guess_who.asp and the title on the > frame is > "MTN Nigeria". Nuff said right there. The domain is hosted in the > USA > (see attachment). > As it turns out the real culprit is http://www.myluvcrush.ca short numbers are specific to countries and the 33444 above is from the states. 33444 in canada is owned currently by the owner of the above site. For those of you who are interested. You can do one of two things 1) reply to the message with the word help This is how I found out who it was. 2) reply to the message with the word stop They are obliged to stop sending you messages, however my bell rep told me I had to do it twice to each message. So I guess it's on the honour system :( > I doubt you entered your phone number anywhere. This is a weakness > of > the phone system. It's analagous to total lack of security in early > internet protocols, because they were designed on the assumption that > anybody on the "net" was a middle-class white male with a US military > security clearance, and "Kremvax" was an April fools joke. Now the > "Russian Business Network" is exploiting that lack of security. > > The old phome system consisted of a bunch of monopolies, an "old boys > club", where deals were cemented with handshakes. One company sent a > bill to another company's customer, and it was processed without > question. Now, a bunch of sleazebag outfits are taking advantage of > this laxness to send fraudulent bills. > > You may be able to get that one number blocked, but there will be > others. I suggest that you contact the CRTC, and ask them to consider > setting up a requirement that customers be able, at no cost, to have > their phone accounts flagged to not be billed by 3rd parties under any > circumstances. The phone company should not be a collection agency > for > a bunch of con-artists. > No kidding, eh. This is a license to steal money. Dave > -- > Walter Dnes > I'm not repeating myself > I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 02:49:10 2008 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:49:10 -0500 Subject: Error correction with aes-looback / cryptoloop? Message-ID: <20080226214910.aw80wirbc48wsso4@mail.math.yorku.ca> I have a laptop on which I would like to put my $HOME directory on an encrypted partition, in case someone were to steal it in an airport or something. I've been experimenting with using an encrypted loop device using the cryptoloop module and AES128 encryption. It seems to work fine, but I'm not so happy about the thought that a one-bit HDD error could make me lose the entire partition. I was wondering if anyone knows whether any of the available encryption options use error correction, so as to greatly mitigate this possibility? I would happily accept a 10% file size increase for this purpose. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 03:55:21 2008 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:55:21 -0500 Subject: Error correction with aes-looback / cryptoloop? In-Reply-To: <20080226214910.aw80wirbc48wsso4-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080226214910.aw80wirbc48wsso4@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <7ac602420802261955m41c67c0m95a4fb09a9e2f1f4@mail.gmail.com> You could look at EncFS: http://www.arg0.net/encfs. It's a FUSE filesystem, and it encrypts your files on top of a normal filesystem, so a one bit error would cost you one file, rather than one device. On the other hand, it _is_ a bit slower than some other means of encrypting a filesystem. I think the homepage includes a discussion of the tradeoffs. I use EncFS for my personal financial data (GnuCash files, and so on), and it works great for me. I'm not sure how you'd automagically mount it at boot time, though, but whatever system you're using for your existing setup might work with EncFS, too. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 04:02:14 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:02:14 -0500 Subject: Error correction with aes-looback / cryptoloop? In-Reply-To: <20080226214910.aw80wirbc48wsso4-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080226214910.aw80wirbc48wsso4@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0802262002h81ed853t1179fecfeb5ca378@mail.gmail.com> How about TrueCrypt? http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php I haven't really had time to do much more than play with it (I should), but my understanding is that you can mount encrypted volumes, and even have something like a dummy volume inside: so somebody may *think* they have your private into, but it's really just a distraction. Not sure if it suits your needs, but it's open-source, cross-platform, and fairy mature. On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Mike Oliver wrote: > I have a laptop on which I would like to put my > $HOME directory on an encrypted partition, in case > someone were to steal it in an airport or something. > I've been experimenting with using an encrypted > loop device using the cryptoloop module and AES128 > encryption. > > It seems to work fine, but I'm not so happy about the > thought that a one-bit HDD error could make me lose the > entire partition. I was wondering if anyone knows whether > any of the available encryption options use error > correction, so as to greatly mitigate this possibility? > I would happily accept a 10% file size increase for > this purpose. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 04:10:08 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:10:08 -0500 Subject: xmodmap Oddness In-Reply-To: <20080226211429.GA6002-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20080226211429.GA6002@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1f13df280802262010r2f365121ydec04faaf8a516d7@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:14 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Ordinarily, I just fire up xev to get the keycode and then `xmodmap -e > "keycode 64 = Control_L"`. And that has worked for all of my keys but > one - my Alt_L (keycode 64). I was trying to remap it to Control_L, but > it is staying subbornly Alt_L. > > Here's the output of xev for my uncooperative keyboard: > > KeyPress event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x1800001, > root 0x63, subw 0x1800002, time 1468606840, (37,48), root:(1538,917), > state 0x10, keycode 37 (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L), same_screen YES, > XLookupString gives 0 bytes: > XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: > XFilterEvent returns: False > > KeyPress event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x1800001, > root 0x63, subw 0x1800002, time 1468618977, (37,48), root:(1538,917), > state 0x10, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L), same_screen YES, > XKeysymToKeycode returns keycode: 37 > XLookupString gives 0 bytes: > XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: > XFilterEvent returns: False > > The top key is working as expected, but the bottom one, which is the one > I'd like to have actually be the Control_L, is claiming to be Control_L, > as I remapped it, but when I press it is still actually Alt_L. The only > difference I see is that the one that doesn't do what I'd like has a > keysym remap. Given I put it there, that's not a huge surprise, but I > am not sure what I should do. I was struggling with keymapping recently, sounds like a fairly similar problem. I was trying to get Alt_R - which by default is mapped to AltGr, which I have no use for - to behave in the same way as Alt_L. I tried this: xmodmap -e "keycode 113 = Alt_R" Good start, associating the keycode with a name. As you did, I got the keycode from xev. Next: xmodmap -e "add Mod1 = Alt_R" I thought that would do it, but it didn't because Alt_R was still associated with Mod5 _as well as_ Mod1. This is where I really needed "xmodmap" without params to see what was going on - and why a keypress wasn't giving the response I expected. So to finish it: xmodmap -e "remove Mod5 = Alt_R" Hope this helps. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 05:22:11 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:22:11 -0500 Subject: xmodmap Oddness In-Reply-To: <1f13df280802262010r2f365121ydec04faaf8a516d7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080226211429.GA6002@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <1f13df280802262010r2f365121ydec04faaf8a516d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080227052211.GA9214@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 11:10:08PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: >On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:14 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman > wrote: >> Ordinarily, I just fire up xev to get the keycode and then `xmodmap -e >> "keycode 64 = Control_L"`. And that has worked for all of my keys but >> one - my Alt_L (keycode 64). I was trying to remap it to Control_L, but >> it is staying subbornly Alt_L. >> >> Here's the output of xev for my uncooperative keyboard: >> >> KeyPress event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x1800001, >> root 0x63, subw 0x1800002, time 1468606840, (37,48), root:(1538,917), >> state 0x10, keycode 37 (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L), same_screen YES, >> XLookupString gives 0 bytes: >> XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: >> XFilterEvent returns: False >> >> KeyPress event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x1800001, >> root 0x63, subw 0x1800002, time 1468618977, (37,48), root:(1538,917), >> state 0x10, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L), same_screen YES, >> XKeysymToKeycode returns keycode: 37 >> XLookupString gives 0 bytes: >> XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: >> XFilterEvent returns: False >> >> The top key is working as expected, but the bottom one, which is the one >> I'd like to have actually be the Control_L, is claiming to be Control_L, >> as I remapped it, but when I press it is still actually Alt_L. The only >> difference I see is that the one that doesn't do what I'd like has a >> keysym remap. Given I put it there, that's not a huge surprise, but I >> am not sure what I should do. > >I was struggling with keymapping recently, sounds like a fairly >similar problem. I was trying to get Alt_R - which by default is >mapped to AltGr, which I have no use for - to behave in the same way >as Alt_L. I tried this: > > xmodmap -e "keycode 113 = Alt_R" > >Good start, associating the keycode with a name. As you did, I got >the keycode from xev. Next: > > xmodmap -e "add Mod1 = Alt_R" > >I thought that would do it, but it didn't because Alt_R was still >associated with Mod5 _as well as_ Mod1. This is where I really needed >"xmodmap" without params to see what was going on - and why a keypress >wasn't giving the response I expected. So to finish it: > > xmodmap -e "remove Mod5 = Alt_R" > >Hope this helps. I think it starts me on my way, the problem I am having is that I don't know what to call some of these keys - which ones are Mod1, Mod2, etc. Is there a way to find that out? Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 15:33:15 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:33:15 -0500 Subject: A local MythTV mailing list. In-Reply-To: <797963.23194.qm-57gzaD/7YRGB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <797963.23194.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080227153315.GO1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 11:08:25AM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > To subscribe send the word "subscribe" (minus the > quote marks) as the only thing in the body of the > message to mythtv-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (unsubscribe being done by > sending "unsubscribe" (minus the quote marks) to the > same address). Should that perhaps be mythtv-request-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org? That would at least match how the tlug list works on ss.org. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 15:38:48 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:38:48 -0500 Subject: xmodmap Oddness In-Reply-To: <20080227052211.GA9214-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20080226211429.GA6002@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <1f13df280802262010r2f365121ydec04faaf8a516d7@mail.gmail.com> <20080227052211.GA9214@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1f13df280802270738r55a71624v402d6e8801f01749@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:22 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 11:10:08PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > >On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:14 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman > > wrote: > >> Ordinarily, I just fire up xev to get the keycode and then `xmodmap -e > >> "keycode 64 = Control_L"`. And that has worked for all of my keys but > >> one - my Alt_L (keycode 64). I was trying to remap it to Control_L, but > >> it is staying subbornly Alt_L. > >> > >> Here's the output of xev for my uncooperative keyboard: > >> > >> KeyPress event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x1800001, > >> root 0x63, subw 0x1800002, time 1468606840, (37,48), root:(1538,917), > >> state 0x10, keycode 37 (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L), same_screen YES, > >> XLookupString gives 0 bytes: > >> XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: > >> XFilterEvent returns: False > >> > >> KeyPress event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x1800001, > >> root 0x63, subw 0x1800002, time 1468618977, (37,48), root:(1538,917), > >> state 0x10, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L), same_screen YES, > >> XKeysymToKeycode returns keycode: 37 > >> XLookupString gives 0 bytes: > >> XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: > >> XFilterEvent returns: False > >> > >> The top key is working as expected, but the bottom one, which is the one > >> I'd like to have actually be the Control_L, is claiming to be Control_L, > >> as I remapped it, but when I press it is still actually Alt_L. The only > >> difference I see is that the one that doesn't do what I'd like has a > >> keysym remap. Given I put it there, that's not a huge surprise, but I > >> am not sure what I should do. > > > >I was struggling with keymapping recently, sounds like a fairly > >similar problem. I was trying to get Alt_R - which by default is > >mapped to AltGr, which I have no use for - to behave in the same way > >as Alt_L. I tried this: > > > > xmodmap -e "keycode 113 = Alt_R" > > > >Good start, associating the keycode with a name. As you did, I got > >the keycode from xev. Next: > > > > xmodmap -e "add Mod1 = Alt_R" > > > >I thought that would do it, but it didn't because Alt_R was still > >associated with Mod5 _as well as_ Mod1. This is where I really needed > >"xmodmap" without params to see what was going on - and why a keypress > >wasn't giving the response I expected. So to finish it: > > > > xmodmap -e "remove Mod5 = Alt_R" > > > >Hope this helps. > > I think it starts me on my way, the problem I am having is that I don't > know what to call some of these keys - which ones are Mod1, Mod2, etc. > Is there a way to find that out? Thanks. I'm afraid that this is the blind leading the blind as I'm most assuredly not an expert ... But try running just "xmodmap" without parameters. I get an output like this: xmodmap: up to 3 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses): shift Shift_L (0x32), Shift_R (0x3e) lock Caps_Lock (0x42) control Control_L (0x25), Control_R (0x6d) mod1 Alt_L (0x40), Alt_R (0x71), Meta_L (0x9c) mod2 Num_Lock (0x4d) mod3 mod4 Super_L (0x7f), Hyper_L (0x80) mod5 Mode_switch (0x5d), ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c) Is that what you're looking for, or will it help? -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 15:40:20 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:40:20 -0500 Subject: Error correction with aes-looback / cryptoloop? In-Reply-To: <20080226214910.aw80wirbc48wsso4-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080226214910.aw80wirbc48wsso4@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20080227154020.GP1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 09:49:10PM -0500, Mike Oliver wrote: > I have a laptop on which I would like to put my > $HOME directory on an encrypted partition, in case > someone were to steal it in an airport or something. > I've been experimenting with using an encrypted > loop device using the cryptoloop module and AES128 > encryption. > > It seems to work fine, but I'm not so happy about the > thought that a one-bit HDD error could make me lose the > entire partition. I was wondering if anyone knows whether > any of the available encryption options use error > correction, so as to greatly mitigate this possibility? > I would happily accept a 10% file size increase for > this purpose. Your harddisk already has series error correction. Also cryptoloop almost certainly encrypts blocks at a time, so a bit error would only break one block, which isn't that different from loosing a sector or block in any unencrypted filesystem. It would be way too inefficient if the entire partition was one continuous encrypted block since every change would then require reencrypting the whole thing all over from the point of the change. Why AES128 and not 256? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 15:43:22 2008 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:43:22 -0500 Subject: Error correction with aes-looback / cryptoloop? In-Reply-To: <20080226214910.aw80wirbc48wsso4-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080226214910.aw80wirbc48wsso4@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20080227154322.GA24830@adb.ca> Mike Oliver wrote: > It seems to work fine, but I'm not so happy about the > thought that a one-bit HDD error could make me lose the > entire partition. Are you really sure it works that way? Disks are random-access beasts, and certainly after booting you can go to any part of the disk without having to sequentially go through everything ahead of it. There are critical bits like the superblock and the directory at the root of the partition, but alternate superblocks and fsck can affect at least partial recovery from many errors. And you *ARE* going to keep backups, right? -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 16:37:36 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:37:36 -0500 Subject: Dovecot and IMAPS Message-ID: <20080227163736.GA16507@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I am trying to set up a new system with IMAPS - IMAP over SSL as I understand it. So far, it works perfectly - I log in on port 993 and it works just fine - with the default certificate, which is unsigned. I bought a certificate through U of T (this new system is at U of T), and I received a block of text and a .bundle file. Those, along with the key that I used to create the certificate request, gives me three things I think I need. The problem is, when I point dovecot at the key and the crt file (containing the block of text) I get an error in the dovecot log: dovecot: 2008-02-27 10:38:38 Error: imap-login: Can't load private key file /etc/ssl/private/$mydomain.key: error:0B080074:x509 certificate routines:X509_check_private_key:key values mismatch I've done some poking around, and sometimes this is caused by trailing spaces in the file, but that hasn't happened here. Something I notice is that the default, unsigned key pair has the extension .pem, rather than .crt or .key. Unfortunately, I'm out of my depth on this one, and help would be appreciated. Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 16:39:49 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:39:49 -0500 Subject: xmodmap Oddness In-Reply-To: <1f13df280802270738r55a71624v402d6e8801f01749-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080226211429.GA6002@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <1f13df280802262010r2f365121ydec04faaf8a516d7@mail.gmail.com> <20080227052211.GA9214@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <1f13df280802270738r55a71624v402d6e8801f01749@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080227163949.GB16507@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:38:48AM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: >On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:22 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman > wrote: >> >> Ordinarily, I just fire up xev to get the keycode and then `xmodmap -e >> >> "keycode 64 = Control_L"`. And that has worked for all of my keys but >> >> one - my Alt_L (keycode 64). I was trying to remap it to Control_L, but >> >> it is staying subbornly Alt_L. >> >> >> >> Here's the output of xev for my uncooperative keyboard: >> >> >> >> KeyPress event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x1800001, >> >> root 0x63, subw 0x1800002, time 1468606840, (37,48), root:(1538,917), >> >> state 0x10, keycode 37 (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L), same_screen YES, >> >> XLookupString gives 0 bytes: >> >> XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: >> >> XFilterEvent returns: False >> >> >> >> KeyPress event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x1800001, >> >> root 0x63, subw 0x1800002, time 1468618977, (37,48), root:(1538,917), >> >> state 0x10, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L), same_screen YES, >> >> XKeysymToKeycode returns keycode: 37 >> >> XLookupString gives 0 bytes: >> >> XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: >> >> XFilterEvent returns: False >> >> >> >> The top key is working as expected, but the bottom one, which is the one >> >> I'd like to have actually be the Control_L, is claiming to be Control_L, >> >> as I remapped it, but when I press it is still actually Alt_L. The only >> >> difference I see is that the one that doesn't do what I'd like has a >> >> keysym remap. Given I put it there, that's not a huge surprise, but I >> >> am not sure what I should do. >> > >> >I was struggling with keymapping recently, sounds like a fairly >> >similar problem. I was trying to get Alt_R - which by default is >> >mapped to AltGr, which I have no use for - to behave in the same way >> >as Alt_L. I tried this: >> > >> > xmodmap -e "keycode 113 = Alt_R" >> > >> >Good start, associating the keycode with a name. As you did, I got >> >the keycode from xev. Next: >> > >> > xmodmap -e "add Mod1 = Alt_R" >> > >> >I thought that would do it, but it didn't because Alt_R was still >> >associated with Mod5 _as well as_ Mod1. This is where I really needed >> >"xmodmap" without params to see what was going on - and why a keypress >> >wasn't giving the response I expected. So to finish it: >> > >> > xmodmap -e "remove Mod5 = Alt_R" >> > >> >Hope this helps. >> >> I think it starts me on my way, the problem I am having is that I don't >> know what to call some of these keys - which ones are Mod1, Mod2, etc. >> Is there a way to find that out? Thanks. > >I'm afraid that this is the blind leading the blind as I'm most >assuredly not an expert ... But try running just "xmodmap" without >parameters. I get an output like this: > > xmodmap: up to 3 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses): > > shift Shift_L (0x32), Shift_R (0x3e) > lock Caps_Lock (0x42) > control Control_L (0x25), Control_R (0x6d) > mod1 Alt_L (0x40), Alt_R (0x71), Meta_L (0x9c) > mod2 Num_Lock (0x4d) > mod3 > mod4 Super_L (0x7f), Hyper_L (0x80) > mod5 Mode_switch (0x5d), ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c) > >Is that what you're looking for, or will it help? This may help. I also found that `xmodmap -pke` returns the full key map in the form of expressions suitable for passage to `xmodmap -e` commands. I'll work through that when I get home and report back. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 18:26:15 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:26:15 -0500 Subject: Partition versus File System question Message-ID: <47C5AB47.1040809@alteeve.com> FAT (and it's variants), specifically. What exactly is the difference between say the 'FAT16 Initial' partition identified as '04h' and the file system by the same name? Is the same piece of software responsible for both roles? Ditto question with 'FAT16 Extended' (05h), 'FAT16 Final' (06h) and so on. Thanks, yet again! Madi (the ever-questioning one) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From spamstinksmmmkay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 18:51:58 2008 From: spamstinksmmmkay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (R.T.) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:51:58 -0500 Subject: Partition versus File System question In-Reply-To: <47C5AB47.1040809-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47C5AB47.1040809@alteeve.com> Message-ID: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#Initial_FAT16 In 1984 IBM released the PC AT, which featured a 20 MB hard disk. Microsoft introduced MS-DOS 3.0 in parallel. Cluster addresses were increased to 16-bit, allowing for a greater number of clusters (up to 65,517) and consequently much greater file-system sizes. However, the maximum possible number of sectors and the maximum (partition, rather than disk) size of 32 MiB did not change. Therefore, although technically already "FAT16", this format was not yet what today is commonly understood under this name. A 20 MiB hard disk formatted under MS-DOS 3.0 was not accessible by the older MS-DOS 2.0. Of course, MS-DOS 3.0 could still access MS-DOS 2.0 style 8 KiB cluster partitions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#Extended_partition_and_logical_drives To allow the use of more FAT partitions in a compatible way, a new partition type was introduced (in MS-DOS 3.2, January 1986), the extended partition; which was actually just a container for additional partitions called logical drives. Originally only 1 logical drive was possible, allowing the use of hard disks up to 64 MB. In MS-DOS 3.3 (August 1987) this limit was increased to 24 drives; it probably came from the compulsory letter-based disk naming (A and B being reserved for the two floppy drives). The logical drives were described by on-disk structures which closely resemble the Master Boot Record (MBR) of the disk (which describes the primary partitions), probably to simplify coding. Though some believe these partitions were nested in a way analogous to Russian matryoshka dolls, that wasn't the case. They were always stored on disk like a row of separate blocks within a single box; these blocks are often referred to as being chained together, by the links in their extended boot record (EBR) sectors. Only one extended partition was allowed. Logical drives were not bootable, and the extended partition could only be created after the primary FAT partition (except with third party formatting tools), which removed all ambiguity, but also the possibility of booting several DOS versions from the same hard disk. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#Final_FAT16 Finally in November 1987, Compaq DOS 3.31 introduced what is today called the FAT16 format, with the expansion of the 16-bit disk sector index to 32 bits. The result was initially called the DOS 3.31 Large File System. Although the on-disk changes were apparently minor, the entire DOS disk code had to be converted to use 32-bit sector numbers, a task complicated by the fact that it was written in 16-bit assembly language. In 1988 the improvement became more generally available through MS-DOS 4.0 and OS/2 1.1. The limit on partition size was now dictated by the 8-bit signed count of sectors-per-cluster, which had a maximum power-of-two value of 64. With the usual hard disk sector size of 512 bytes, this gives 32 KiB clusters, thereby fixing the "definitive" limit for the FAT16 partition size at 2 gibibytes. On magneto-optical media, which can have 1 or 2 KiB sectors, the limit is proportionally greater. On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: > FAT (and it's variants), specifically. > > What exactly is the difference between say the 'FAT16 Initial' partition > identified as '04h' and the file system by the same name? Is the same > piece of software responsible for both roles? > > Ditto question with 'FAT16 Extended' (05h), 'FAT16 Final' (06h) and so on. > > Thanks, yet again! > > Madi (the ever-questioning one) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 19:50:21 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:50:21 -0500 Subject: Partition versus File System question In-Reply-To: References: <47C5AB47.1040809@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <47C5BEFD.4040806@alteeve.com> Wow, I think I looked at those articles several time each in the last few days... Bah. Thanks! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 19:54:42 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:54:42 -0500 Subject: Poll; Tape drives Message-ID: <47C5C002.1010100@alteeve.com> Quick, informal and terribly unscientific poll... 1. Do you still uses tape drives? 2. If you were looking at a new backup system, would you want to use tape drives? The reason: Back when I wrote the first version of TLE-BU, I had a lot of people ask if it supported tape drives, or if I would add support for tape drives. I decided back then that, in the next version, I would add support for tapes. Now that time has come and I am trying to determine how much of an interest people still have in tape drives. Is it worth the (relatively considerable) effort to add support for tapes in this day of cheap "disk" storage? Why *would* someone choose to use tape these days? Thanks all! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 20:26:44 2008 From: johnfruh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Fruhwirth) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:26:44 -0500 Subject: Poll; Tape drives In-Reply-To: <47C5C002.1010100-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47C5C002.1010100@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <8c9fc95b0802271226t1626869ekde1da7ff87252f7d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Madi, Thanks for your poll. As for me, I have no use for tape drive support. Tape drives are obsolete as far as I am concerned. So, to answer your questions directly... 1. Do you still uses tape drives? *Nope, never did use them for backup.* 2. If you were looking at a new backup system, would you want to use? *Nope, again! ...John * On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: > Quick, informal and terribly unscientific poll... > > 1. Do you still uses tape drives? > 2. If you were looking at a new backup system, would you want to use > tape drives? > > > The reason: > > Back when I wrote the first version of TLE-BU, I had a lot of people ask > if it supported tape drives, or if I would add support for tape drives. > I decided back then that, in the next version, I would add support for > tapes. > > Now that time has come and I am trying to determine how much of an > interest people still have in tape drives. Is it worth the (relatively > considerable) effort to add support for tapes in this day of cheap > "disk" storage? Why *would* someone choose to use tape these days? > > Thanks all! > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 20:51:43 2008 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:51:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Accessing archived emails from the list In-Reply-To: <20080227163736.GA16507-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20080227163736.GA16507@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <829706.32711.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I run into a login problem on KUbuntu 7.10 after an update and I remember that there was a post on this list about that though I didn't follow it as at the time my updates were just fine. I tried to look at the emails from the archive and was not able to find it. Is there a way to access the archive of past postings rather than reposting the same problem that was already solved? That would have been cool. I got the solution for my problem in other forums archive. Cheers, EK --------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 20:55:54 2008 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:55:54 -0500 Subject: Poll; Tape drives In-Reply-To: <47C5C002.1010100-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47C5C002.1010100@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200802271555.54520.dbmacg@look.ca> On February 27, 2008 02:54:42 pm Madison Kelly wrote: > Quick, informal and terribly unscientific poll... > > 1. Do you still uses tape drives? > 2. If you were looking at a new backup system, would you want to use > tape drives? "Why *would* someone choose to use tape these days?" Indeed. I have not used tape since the brand new, never used tape that I had purchased to back up a client's system disintegrated in my hands. The failing tape had been made five years earlier, and had never been used. Never again. -- Duncan MacGregor --- Toronto --- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 21:00:50 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:00:50 -0500 Subject: Poll; Tape drives In-Reply-To: <47C5C002.1010100-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47C5C002.1010100@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20080227210050.GQ1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 02:54:42PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Quick, informal and terribly unscientific poll... > > 1. Do you still uses tape drives? No. > 2. If you were looking at a new backup system, would you want to use > tape drives? No. > The reason: > > Back when I wrote the first version of TLE-BU, I had a lot of people ask > if it supported tape drives, or if I would add support for tape drives. > I decided back then that, in the next version, I would add support for > tapes. > > Now that time has come and I am trying to determine how much of an > interest people still have in tape drives. Is it worth the (relatively > considerable) effort to add support for tapes in this day of cheap > "disk" storage? Why *would* someone choose to use tape these days? Unless you are backing up huge amounts of data and have a robotic tape changing archiver I wouldn't bother with tape. And the tape would have to be linear (I won't ever use helical scan tapes. Much too unreliable and wear out so fast). That means DLT, LTO or similar. Those are expensive though, which is why unless you are doing a large library, the drive cost is just too high. Disk based backups are cheap, simple, and much easier to restore in case of disaster recovery (some people fail to include an externally stored, known to be working tape drive to read back their tapes along with the correct software. Backup tapes you can't read are no good). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 21:14:24 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:14:24 -0500 Subject: Partition versus File System question In-Reply-To: <47C5AB47.1040809-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47C5AB47.1040809@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20080227211424.GR1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 01:26:15PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > FAT (and it's variants), specifically. > > What exactly is the difference between say the 'FAT16 Initial' partition > identified as '04h' and the file system by the same name? Is the same > piece of software responsible for both roles? > > Ditto question with 'FAT16 Extended' (05h), 'FAT16 Final' (06h) and so on. DOS had some strange ideas of how to work with filesystems. The filesystem itself that deals with storage of files, clusters, directories, filenames, permissions, etc is FAT12, FAT16 and FAT32 where the number is the size of the cluster table (file allocation table). With FAT12 a maximum filesystem size is 32MB. FAT16 allows up to 2GB on systems that use signed intergers (like DOS and Win 9x), and 4GB for those using unsigned (like windows NT4). FAT32 allows lots, although no version of windows will permit you to create one larger than 32GB although they will happily use it if you create it using mkdosfs under linux or other system. The partition IDs are used to tell DOS and friends how to deal with the partition. The ones I can see that have been used are: 01: FAT12 04: FAT16 on a partition less than 32MB (this used smaller clusters so the disk space could be used more efficiently than FAT12) 06: FAT16 0E: FAT16 LBA which is used when the partition is beyond where CHS (cylinder/head/sector) access was possible with BIOS calls. This requires INT13X BIOS support, and an OS that supports LBA (like win 9x but not pure DOS like 6 and below) 0B: FAT32 0C: FAT32 LBA (like FAT16 LBA above) Extended partitions like 05 and 0F are just used to create a large partition which contains another partition table at the start so you can create more than 4 partitions on a system by daisy chaining partition tables. The partition table in an extended partition always contains one primary partition which is a logical partition to the system, and one additional extended partition to contain the remainder of the chain which then starts with an additional partition table, and so on until all the logical partitions have been defined. The 0F version simply says it requires LBA mode to access that part of the disk, while 05 does not require LBA mode. There is no good reason to need partitions IDs since you can just read the filesystem and match against known types, which is what linux and most other modern systems do. DOS and win9x weren't that smart though. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 27 21:25:29 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:25:29 +0000 Subject: Poll; Tape drives In-Reply-To: <47C5C002.1010100-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47C5C002.1010100@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: > Quick, informal and terribly unscientific poll... > > 1. Do you still uses tape drives? > 2. If you were looking at a new backup system, would you want to use > tape drives? If considering a new system, NO, I would not want to plan to use tape drives, except as a terribly downstream item. The only way I *would* want to use tape would be in a context of an ultra-expensive robotic changer, which would also imply that I was backing up terabytes of regularly changing data. I don't think you're in a position to be competing in that kind of arena; you'd need to go to an extraordinary amount of effort, and still not be competitive with the expensive solutions. I don't see the value in you going down that road... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 03:02:12 2008 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:02:12 -0500 Subject: Error correction with aes-looback / cryptoloop? In-Reply-To: <20080226214910.aw80wirbc48wsso4-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20080226214910.aw80wirbc48wsso4@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20080228030212.GA3834@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 09:49:10PM -0500, Mike Oliver wrote: > I have a laptop on which I would like to put my > $HOME directory on an encrypted partition, in case > someone were to steal it in an airport or something. > I've been experimenting with using an encrypted > loop device using the cryptoloop module and AES128 > encryption. > > It seems to work fine, but I'm not so happy about the > thought that a one-bit HDD error could make me lose the > entire partition. I was wondering if anyone knows whether > any of the available encryption options use error > correction, so as to greatly mitigate this possibility? > I would happily accept a 10% file size increase for > this purpose. I found that 'dm-crypt' and 'EncFS' are two easiest methods. 'dm-crypt' does block encryption (ie. disk partition), and 'EncFS' does files encryption (ie. directory tree). Since you want to encrypt the entire "home" partition, try 'dm-crypt'. It sits at the same level as raid. You need 'cryptsetup' package, which automatically loads all the necessary kernel modules for you. Usage would go something like cryptsetup create home /dev/hda4 mke2fs -j /dev/mapper/home mount /dev/mapper/home /home umount /home cryptsetup remove home -- William Park , Toronto, Canada BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 04:01:22 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:01:22 +0300 Subject: Poll; Tape drives In-Reply-To: References: <47C5C002.1010100@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On 28/02/2008, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: > > > Quick, informal and terribly unscientific poll... > > > > 1. Do you still uses tape drives? Yeap, the HP DTLs. They are a pain though and all my colleagues agree they are not the best option any more. I think there is a big group of people who still use them for legacy reasons. > > 2. If you were looking at a new backup system, would you want to use > > tape drives? If that decision was left entirely to me, I wouldn't touch them at all. Most large firms are however still run by management who like to retain the "conventional way". Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 04:08:45 2008 From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:08:45 +0000 Subject: Poll; Tape drives In-Reply-To: <47C5C002.1010100-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47C5C002.1010100@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1204171725.4233.2294.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 14:54 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Quick, informal and terribly unscientific poll... > > 1. Do you still uses tape drives? > 2. If you were looking at a new backup system, would you want to use > tape drives? I still use tapes. My home backup system is a DLT7000 drive, whose tapes I take off-site (to the office). That said, I do realize that for most home users, tape is exorbitantly expensive. I got this system second-hand and if I had to buy all the tapes again at $40 apiece (new) the media would cost me $600 alone -- enough to buy 10 hard disks. Tape is still good for enterprise use though and I don't see it going away there. - Julian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 04:19:35 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:19:35 -0500 Subject: Poll; Tape drives In-Reply-To: <1204171725.4233.2294.camel-sd4rSCkhOeu0gumUbo5taVDdeaDYgqOw@public.gmane.org> References: <47C5C002.1010100@alteeve.com> <1204171725.4233.2294.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Julian C. Dunn wrote: > On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 14:54 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > > > Quick, informal and terribly unscientific poll... > > > > 1. Do you still uses tape drives? > > 2. If you were looking at a new backup system, would you want to use > > tape drives? > > I still use tapes. My home backup system is a DLT7000 drive, whose tapes > I take off-site (to the office). That said, I do realize that for most > home users, tape is exorbitantly expensive. I got this system > second-hand and if I had to buy all the tapes again at $40 apiece (new) > the media would cost me $600 alone -- enough to buy 10 hard disks. > > Tape is still good for enterprise use though and I don't see it going > away there. I'm seeing backup systems where tape *is* going away. At work, we're implementing a product called Asigra Televaulting. It is very much intended as a disk-based backup system. They can write backups to tape, but that's not preferred. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 04:24:37 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:24:37 +0300 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing Message-ID: Hi all, I have for long noticed a billing difference between America system - USA and Canada (Not sure about the others as I haven't visited them) that is really different to that in Europe and Africa. When A call B, in Americas, you charge A and B. In Africa and Netherlands, you only charge A unless B was roaming when he/she received a call. Now, I am not whining and don't expect Americas to adopt other countries' systems, but what logic is used to explain the above? Is there like a history about it, because that is all I can think of. Imagine someone sending you a letter and the post office decided to charge both the recipient and sender? I understand the issue with metric and English units, other quirks, but dude/dudets, this one don't make much sense, in my opinion. Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 04:31:59 2008 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:31:59 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ac602420802272031i594873cr7c6ef2d71c232375@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:24 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > I have for long noticed a billing difference between America system - > USA and Canada (Not sure about the others as I haven't visited them) > that is really different to that in Europe and Africa. When A call B, > in Americas, you charge A and B. In Africa and Netherlands, you only > charge A unless B was roaming when he/she received a call. > > Now, I am not whining and don't expect Americas to adopt other > countries' systems, but what logic is used to explain the above? Is > there like a history about it, because that is all I can think of. > Imagine someone sending you a letter and the post office decided to > charge both the recipient and sender? I understand the issue with > metric and English units, other quirks, but dude/dudets, this one > don't make much sense, in my opinion. I don't know if there's a history behind it (besides the fact that phones here have traditionally been run by a monopoly and the relatively new competition isn't much competition) but I think the justification is that even though B didn't initiate the call, B still has to use the cell company's resources to receive the call--B is paying for "airtime". If a cell calls a land line, only the caller pays and, conversely, if a land line calls a cell, only the receiver pays. There might be a better system (and there are certainly cheaper options compared to Canada), but the system we've got is at least pretty consistent. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 05:09:43 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:09:43 -0500 Subject: Error correction with aes-looback / cryptoloop? In-Reply-To: <20080228030212.GA3834-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080226214910.aw80wirbc48wsso4@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080228030212.GA3834@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <47C64217.9030502@utoronto.ca> William Park wrote: > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 09:49:10PM -0500, Mike Oliver wrote: >> I have a laptop on which I would like to put my >> $HOME directory on an encrypted partition, in case >> someone were to steal it in an airport or something. >> I've been experimenting with using an encrypted >> loop device using the cryptoloop module and AES128 >> encryption. >> >> It seems to work fine, but I'm not so happy about the >> thought that a one-bit HDD error could make me lose the >> entire partition. I was wondering if anyone knows whether >> any of the available encryption options use error >> correction, so as to greatly mitigate this possibility? >> I would happily accept a 10% file size increase for >> this purpose. > > I found that 'dm-crypt' and 'EncFS' are two easiest methods. 'dm-crypt' > does block encryption (ie. disk partition), and 'EncFS' does files > encryption (ie. directory tree). > > Since you want to encrypt the entire "home" partition, try 'dm-crypt'. > It sits at the same level as raid. You need 'cryptsetup' package, which > automatically loads all the necessary kernel modules for you. Usage > would go something like > > cryptsetup create home /dev/hda4 > mke2fs -j /dev/mapper/home > mount /dev/mapper/home /home > umount /home > cryptsetup remove home > One thing I haven't heard anyone mention is encrypted swap. If you're using encrypted filesystems (especially) or encrypted files (even), it is possible that decrypted files could be paged to the disk in the event you run low on memory, or decide to suspend/hibernate. Thus while the circumstances in which sensitive data might be on disk are low, encrypting your swap will help mitigate against that particular set of risks. OTOH, see http://citp.princeton.edu/memory/ for an interesting piece on retrieving encryption keys from suspended/hibernated machines from a cold boot. The story made the rounds a few days ago: "Contrary to popular assumption, DRAMs used in most modern computers retain their contents for seconds to minutes after power is lost, even at operating temperatures and even if removed from a motherboard. Although DRAMs become less reliable when they are not refreshed, they are not immediately erased, and their contents persist sufficiently for malicious (or forensic) acquisition of usable full-system memory images. We show that this phenomenon limits the ability of an operating system to protect cryptographic key material from an attacker with physical access. We use cold reboots to mount attacks on popular disk encryption systems ? BitLocker, FileVault, dm-crypt, and TrueCrypt ? using no special devices or materials." If you're really paranoid, encrypt your files on an encrypted disk, with encrypted swap. And if you really value your data, don't put it on your computer in the first place... Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 06:28:55 2008 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:28:55 -0500 Subject: Error correction with aes-looback / cryptoloop? In-Reply-To: <47C64217.9030502-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080226214910.aw80wirbc48wsso4@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080228030212.GA3834@node1.opengeometry.net> <47C64217.9030502@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20080228012855.yivkb3j1k4csoc00@mail.math.yorku.ca> Quoting Jamon Camisso : > OTOH, see http://citp.princeton.edu/memory/ for an interesting piece > on retrieving encryption keys from suspended/hibernated machines from > a cold boot. The story made the rounds a few days ago: > > "Contrary to popular assumption, DRAMs used in most modern computers > retain their contents for seconds to minutes after power is lost, > even at operating temperatures and even if removed from a > motherboard. Although DRAMs become less reliable when they are not > refreshed, they are not immediately erased, and their contents > persist sufficiently for malicious (or forensic) acquisition of > usable full-system memory images. We show that this phenomenon limits > the ability of an operating system to protect cryptographic key > material from an attacker with physical access. We use cold reboots > to mount attacks on popular disk encryption systems ? BitLocker, > FileVault, dm-crypt, and TrueCrypt ? using no special devices or > materials." Very interesting; thanks for pointing that out. But it doesn't make me *too* worried; it seems that the baddie has to snatch your machine within five minutes of power-down to have any chance at all, and even then he has to move fast with operations that are not exactly inconspicuous in an airport. The thing about the swap is a good point, though; I'll look into that, even though I don't think my machine uses swap much in ordinary operation. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 13:29:20 2008 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:29:20 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <7ac602420802272031i594873cr7c6ef2d71c232375-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7ac602420802272031i594873cr7c6ef2d71c232375@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200802280829.21121.dbmacg@look.ca> Both cell services and Plain Old Telephone Service (POTS) have networks to pay for. Of course, as a customer, it seems more fair to pay for what you have chosen, rather than what is inflicted on you. Canada Post charges to deliver a message, as does POTS. With Plain Old Telephone Service, if you cannot complete a call, say getting a busy signal, you pay nothing. With Canadian cell, you pay before you pick up the phone, when you pick up the phone, when you make a call and when you receive it. You usually do this with a telephone tied to the vendor network, that you pay for perpetually. An unfair billing system that restricts growth and development in call-based services, methinks. Duncan On February 27, 2008 11:31:59 pm Ian Petersen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:24 PM, William Muriithi > > wrote: > > I have for long noticed a billing difference between America system - > > USA and Canada (Not sure about the others as I haven't visited them) > > that is really different to that in Europe and Africa. When A call B, > > in Americas, you charge A and B. In Africa and Netherlands, you only > > charge A unless B was roaming when he/she received a call. > > > > Now, I am not whining and don't expect Americas to adopt other > > countries' systems, but what logic is used to explain the above? Is > > there like a history about it, because that is all I can think of. > > Imagine someone sending you a letter and the post office decided to > > charge both the recipient and sender? I understand the issue with > > metric and English units, other quirks, but dude/dudets, this one > > don't make much sense, in my opinion. > > I don't know if there's a history behind it (besides the fact that > phones here have traditionally been run by a monopoly and the > relatively new competition isn't much competition) but I think the > justification is that even though B didn't initiate the call, B still > has to use the cell company's resources to receive the call--B is > paying for "airtime". If a cell calls a land line, only the caller > pays and, conversely, if a land line calls a cell, only the receiver > pays. There might be a better system (and there are certainly cheaper > options compared to Canada), but the system we've got is at least > pretty consistent. > > Ian -- Duncan MacGregor --- Toronto --- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 13:47:08 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:47:08 -0500 Subject: Error correction with aes-looback / cryptoloop? In-Reply-To: <47C64217.9030502-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080226214910.aw80wirbc48wsso4@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20080228030212.GA3834@node1.opengeometry.net> <47C64217.9030502@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20080228134708.GS1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:09:43AM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > One thing I haven't heard anyone mention is encrypted swap. If you're > using encrypted filesystems (especially) or encrypted files (even), it > is possible that decrypted files could be paged to the disk in the event > you run low on memory, or decide to suspend/hibernate. Thus while the > circumstances in which sensitive data might be on disk are low, > encrypting your swap will help mitigate against that particular set of > risks. > > OTOH, see http://citp.princeton.edu/memory/ for an interesting piece on > retrieving encryption keys from suspended/hibernated machines from a > cold boot. The story made the rounds a few days ago: > > "Contrary to popular assumption, DRAMs used in most modern computers > retain their contents for seconds to minutes after power is lost, even > at operating temperatures and even if removed from a motherboard. > Although DRAMs become less reliable when they are not refreshed, they > are not immediately erased, and their contents persist sufficiently for > malicious (or forensic) acquisition of usable full-system memory images. > We show that this phenomenon limits the ability of an operating system > to protect cryptographic key material from an attacker with physical > access. We use cold reboots to mount attacks on popular disk encryption > systems ? BitLocker, FileVault, dm-crypt, and TrueCrypt ? using no > special devices or materials." > > If you're really paranoid, encrypt your files on an encrypted disk, with > encrypted swap. And if you really value your data, don't put it on your > computer in the first place... Get a good lock and a very mean looking dog (or maybe cat). :) Or make sure that you are physically present at the computer at all times and stay there for 30 minutes after turning it off, or perhaps you should boot memtest and run a complete pass before turning off the system when you leave just to overwrite all memory contents. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 13:49:51 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:49:51 -0500 Subject: Poll; Tape drives In-Reply-To: <1204171725.4233.2294.camel-sd4rSCkhOeu0gumUbo5taVDdeaDYgqOw@public.gmane.org> References: <47C5C002.1010100@alteeve.com> <1204171725.4233.2294.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> Message-ID: <20080228134951.GT1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 04:08:45AM +0000, Julian C. Dunn wrote: > I still use tapes. My home backup system is a DLT7000 drive, whose tapes > I take off-site (to the office). That said, I do realize that for most > home users, tape is exorbitantly expensive. I got this system > second-hand and if I had to buy all the tapes again at $40 apiece (new) > the media would cost me $600 alone -- enough to buy 10 hard disks. > > Tape is still good for enterprise use though and I don't see it going > away there. If you look at what companies like quantum are doing, it seems they are all getting into harddisk based backup systems. Tape simply costs too much and isn't reliable enough to justify anymore. Personally I am setting up backup for my farther now which will simply be to rsync all his data to my machine at my house multiple times per day. Should be much simpler for him than the DVD backups he has been making, and simpler than an external disk for backup, and it is automatically off site which is the biggest advantage. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 13:52:12 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:52:12 -0500 Subject: Poll; Tape drives In-Reply-To: References: <47C5C002.1010100@alteeve.com> <1204171725.4233.2294.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> Message-ID: <20080228135212.GU1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:19:35PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > I'm seeing backup systems where tape *is* going away. > > At work, we're implementing a product called Asigra Televaulting. > > It is very much intended as a disk-based backup system. They can > write backups to tape, but that's not preferred. I wonder why they don't support linux (Redhat and Suse support does not equal linux support, far from it). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 14:01:15 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:01:15 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 07:24:37AM +0300, William Muriithi wrote: > I have for long noticed a billing difference between America system - > USA and Canada (Not sure about the others as I haven't visited them) > that is really different to that in Europe and Africa. When A call B, > in Americas, you charge A and B. In Africa and Netherlands, you only > charge A unless B was roaming when he/she received a call. > > Now, I am not whining and don't expect Americas to adopt other > countries' systems, but what logic is used to explain the above? Is > there like a history about it, because that is all I can think of. > Imagine someone sending you a letter and the post office decided to > charge both the recipient and sender? I understand the issue with > metric and English units, other quirks, but dude/dudets, this one > don't make much sense, in my opinion. In europe the caller pays for the call, so if you call a cell phone (which generally have their own area codes so you can easily tell it is a call phone) you know its going to cost a lot more than otherwise. Of course you also pay for all calls since there is no such thing as free local calls. In north america all phone numbers are considered equal, so if you call a local number, it is free, and a further away number costs money to call. If the number happens to be a call phone then the owner of the call phone is responsible for the cost of using that cell phone since the caller has no way of knowing that they are calling a cell phone. The european method of course has made it possible to have a cell phone that really is only for emergencies these days for practically no money since you can receive calls for free and only pay for the few outgoing calls you make. My parents picked one up last time they went to visit family in denmark and for a pay as you go, the phone cost about $300 to buy, and then the starter package from a phone company was $20 which includes $10 worth of pay as you go, and sets up the voice mail, phone number, includes the SIM card, etc. Money paid lasts for 12 months, and the minimum top up is $10, so essentially they can maintain a cell phone in Denmark for $10 per year now. Rather handy given they visit every 3 years or so, but pay phones have become extinct there so having a cell phone is pretty much required. Whats the cheapest you can get a pay as you go cell phone here, and can you get free incoming calls (the answer is no as far as I can tell). Competition is good, and europe sure has that now. 20 years ago they had only government monopolies on phone service for the most part. There certainly isn't any competition in the cell phone market in canada anymore. All we have are 3 giant old companies all happily charging the same high rates for the same service and buying out anyone that tries to start competing with them. Setting up a cell phone company is also very expensive here given the low population density there just isn't a market for that many companies to build expensive networks. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 15:04:00 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:04:00 -0500 Subject: Replicating packages on Debian In-Reply-To: <20080222153126.GA8920-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20080221143544.GA521@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <47BD95AD.5040202@primus.ca> <47BDAD64.7060103@primus.ca> <47BDB72A.9010206@dinamis.com> <20080222153126.GA8920@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20080228150400.GA21896@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 10:31:26AM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:38:50PM -0500, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: >> George Nicol wrote: >>> 1) On machine #1: >>> >>> dpkg --get-selections > packages.txt >>> >>> This creates a list of installed (and removed) packages. >>> >>> 2) Do a base install on machine #2. >>> >>> 3) Move packages.txt to machine #2. >>> >>> 4) On machine #2: >>> >>> dpkg --set-selections < packages.txt > >Thanks to several who sent the above commands - I failed to RTFM for >dpkg - I had focused on apt - and I am grateful for the kind direction >to the correct source. > >>> 5) On machine #2: >>> >>> dselect install >>> >>> 6) Bask in the light of your newly cloned machine. > >I had figured out step 6, but 5 was the missing link - thank you. > >>> One limitation: If you are running something old, then your packages.txt >>> will not point to the right version of the packages. If you are working >>> with a recent version of your distro, then this is not a problem. >> >> I always replace Exim with Postfix. How does this method deal with that >> situation? > >The output of --get-selections has the exim packages set for removal, >and the postfix ones for installation. So, the above process works as >well as I knew it should. Thanks to all. One caveat to the above procedure; if you are using Debian kernels, you should cut those lines out of the packages.txt - they start with the words "linux-image". I do this because I find that I want an architecture-specific kernel, but installing a 686 kernel on an Opteron may work, but it is not ideal, and if it doesn't work but you previously removed your stock kernel, you could be in trouble. So, I can now clone a machine very neatly, as long as I am careful about which kernels I am removing. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 15:37:43 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:37:43 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <20080228140115.GV1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Hi Sorensen, > The european method of course has made it possible to have a cell phone > that really is only for emergencies these days for practically no money > since you can receive calls for free and only pay for the few outgoing > calls you make. My parents picked one up last time they went to visit > family in denmark and for a pay as you go, the phone cost about $300 to > buy, and then the starter package from a phone company was $20 which > includes $10 worth of pay as you go, and sets up the voice mail, phone > number, includes the SIM card, etc. Money paid lasts for 12 months, and > the minimum top up is $10, so essentially they can maintain a cell phone > in Denmark for $10 per year now. Rather handy given they visit every 3 > years or so, but pay phones have become extinct there so having a cell > phone is pretty much required. This is what I have found in any other country I have visited beside N America. Communication cost can get really low as just paying the minimum fee to retain the number active. And as long as you have some money on the phone, the numer is your for an year. > All we have are 3 giant old companies all happily > charging the same high rates for the same service and buying out anyone > that tries to start competing with them. Setting up a cell phone > company is also very expensive here given the low population density > there just isn't a market for that many companies to build expensive > networks. Do you think this will remain true if 802.16e ever establish itself? And is anybody other than the 3 old companies getting into 802.16e here in Canada? I am very confident 802.16e will be the dorminant technology in developing countries, but how it will work in developed countries is little hard to figure out. > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 17:29:33 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:29:33 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:37:43AM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: > This is what I have found in any other country I have visited beside N > America. Communication cost can get really low as just paying the > minimum fee to retain the number active. And as long as you have some > money on the phone, the numer is your for an year. Here it can cost $5 per month to have voice mail service. There it is included free in your anual minimum use cost. Of course voicemail really costs the company nothing if they already have the equipment so the $5 per month is pure profit. > Do you think this will remain true if 802.16e ever establish itself? > And is anybody other than the 3 old companies getting into 802.16e > here in Canada? I am very confident 802.16e will be the dorminant > technology in developing countries, but how it will work in developed > countries is little hard to figure out. Perhaps what is needed if you want sensible prices is that you have a nationwide GSM network and any company that wants to provide service can use it as long as they pay their share of the maintainance costs of the network. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From spamstinksmmmkay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 18:45:08 2008 From: spamstinksmmmkay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (R.T.) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:45:08 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <20080228172933.GW1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On a related note, for those who haven't seen it yet: http://www.slideshare.net/thomas.purves/the-state-of-wireless-in-canada-sucks-toronto-democamp17-thomas-purves?src=embed ( http://wirelessnorth.ca/?p=76 ) "The last time in the history of computing..." On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:37:43AM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: > > This is what I have found in any other country I have visited beside N > > America. Communication cost can get really low as just paying the > > minimum fee to retain the number active. And as long as you have some > > money on the phone, the numer is your for an year. > > Here it can cost $5 per month to have voice mail service. There it is > included free in your anual minimum use cost. Of course voicemail > really costs the company nothing if they already have the equipment so > the $5 per month is pure profit. > > > Do you think this will remain true if 802.16e ever establish itself? > > And is anybody other than the 3 old companies getting into 802.16e > > here in Canada? I am very confident 802.16e will be the dorminant > > technology in developing countries, but how it will work in developed > > countries is little hard to figure out. > > Perhaps what is needed if you want sensible prices is that you have a > nationwide GSM network and any company that wants to provide service can > use it as long as they pay their share of the maintainance costs of the > network. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 19:22:59 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:22:59 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <20080228172933.GW1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080228192259.GA4658@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:29:33PM -0500, wrote: > Perhaps what is needed if you want sensible prices is that you have a > nationwide GSM network and any company that wants to provide service can > use it as long as they pay their share of the maintainance costs of the > network. I forgot to say that this will probably never happen since no politician in Canada seems interested in publicly funded infastructure and isntead assume commercial companies will take care off everything. Any suggestion that there should be publicly funded stuff seems to just get people thinking you are a communist or at least a socialist. Some projects just can't be done by individuals. I would for example think that extending the subway further north to where I live would make life easier and me use it more. It would save me money if it was there and I didn't have to drive as much, so I would be willing to spend $500 or $1000 to have it happen, probably even a good chunk of that every year since I save that in car usage. If 1 million people thought the same thing then together there might actually be enough money to build it. Organizing that would just be way too hard. Hence we have taxes that are supposed to accomplish these things that in the long term save money, but unfortunately at least in Toronto no such thing seems to ever happen and instead we just have everyone waste hours in their cars stuck on the road. I for one would have no problem with paying another 500 dollars a year in property taxes if the transit system was actually expanded to a system capable of serving the toronto area, since I would easily save that much on other transportation costs not to mention in time. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 22:28:04 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:28:04 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <20080228172933.GW1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:37:43AM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: > >> This is what I have found in any other country I have visited beside N >> America. Communication cost can get really low as just paying the >> minimum fee to retain the number active. And as long as you have some >> money on the phone, the numer is your for an year. >> > > Here it can cost $5 per month to have voice mail service. There it is > included free in your anual minimum use cost. Of course voicemail > really costs the company nothing if they already have the equipment so > the $5 per month is pure profit. > > Why would they already have that equipment? A company buys equipment with the idea of generating revenue with it and that same equipment has to be amortized over several years. Where does the money to amortize it come from? >> Do you think this will remain true if 802.16e ever establish itself? >> And is anybody other than the 3 old companies getting into 802.16e >> here in Canada? I am very confident 802.16e will be the dorminant >> technology in developing countries, but how it will work in developed >> countries is little hard to figure out. >> > > Perhaps what is needed if you want sensible prices is that you have a > nationwide GSM network and any company that wants to provide service can > use it as long as they pay their share of the maintainance costs of the > network. > > We already have that. Any GSM vendor, other than Rogers/Fido is someone reselling services from Rogers. Is there anyone reselling CDMA from Bell or Telus. Back in the days before Rogers bought them, the 1st GSM network was Fido, which was owned by Microcell. Microcell also sold bulk service to other companies. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 22:41:41 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:41:41 +0000 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <47C73574.6060107-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:28 PM, James Knott wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:37:43AM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: > > > >> This is what I have found in any other country I have visited beside N > >> America. Communication cost can get really low as just paying the > >> minimum fee to retain the number active. And as long as you have some > >> money on the phone, the numer is your for an year. > >> > > > > Here it can cost $5 per month to have voice mail service. There it is > > included free in your anual minimum use cost. Of course voicemail > > really costs the company nothing if they already have the equipment so > > the $5 per month is pure profit. > > Why would they already have that equipment? A company buys equipment > with the idea of generating revenue with it and that same equipment has > to be amortized over several years. Where does the money to amortize it > come from? A peculiar thing happened in the US over the last few years: A whole bunch of companies went aggressively after cellular market dominance. And a bunch FAILED. That's part of why Nortel has gone through near death throes - they sold equipment to these companies, and geared up for expansion based on that, only to see the companies die. Cisco is suffering from the same thing, albeit to a lesser degree. At any rate, what happened after the business failures was that a whole pile of cellular infrastructure leaped onto the US market at fire sale prices. A side-effect of this is that successors could buy up "world class" infrastructure for a song, and thereby have near-zero cost for this sort of thing. Canada did not see anything like the same sort of cut-throat-to-the-point-of-bleeding-out competition, so the cellular sellers, here, actually paid for the equipment that they are using. Mind you, eventually the cost is amortized, and some of the fees that they charge do become lies. But it is not irrational that some services wind up being near-free in the US, when the cost model for equipment wound up different due to bankruptcies... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 23:12:00 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:12:00 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47C73FC0.4070505@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:28 PM, James Knott wrote: > >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:37:43AM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: >> > >> >> This is what I have found in any other country I have visited beside N >> >> America. Communication cost can get really low as just paying the >> >> minimum fee to retain the number active. And as long as you have some >> >> money on the phone, the numer is your for an year. >> >> >> > >> > Here it can cost $5 per month to have voice mail service. There it is >> > included free in your anual minimum use cost. Of course voicemail >> > really costs the company nothing if they already have the equipment so >> > the $5 per month is pure profit. >> >> Why would they already have that equipment? A company buys equipment >> with the idea of generating revenue with it and that same equipment has >> to be amortized over several years. Where does the money to amortize it >> come from? >> > > A peculiar thing happened in the US over the last few years: A whole > bunch of companies went aggressively after cellular market dominance. > And a bunch FAILED. That's part of why Nortel has gone through near > death throes - they sold equipment to these companies, and geared up > for expansion based on that, only to see the companies die. Cisco is > suffering from the same thing, albeit to a lesser degree. > > At any rate, what happened after the business failures was that a > whole pile of cellular infrastructure leaped onto the US market at > fire sale prices. A side-effect of this is that successors could buy > up "world class" infrastructure for a song, and thereby have near-zero > cost for this sort of thing. > > Canada did not see anything like the same sort of > cut-throat-to-the-point-of-bleeding-out competition, so the cellular > sellers, here, actually paid for the equipment that they are using. > Mind you, eventually the cost is amortized, and some of the fees that > they charge do become lies. > Once that equipment is paid for & depreciated, it becomes a tax liability to keep it in service. At least, that's what I recall from when I was planning equipment installs for Unitel. Also, these days equipment depreciates fast! Take Rogers, for example. They originally started out with analog gear, then the old "TDMA" and now GSM (also TDMA) and they've already started moving to the next generation. On the other side, the carrier gear is quickly moving from TDM or ATM to IP switching. So, that's 3 or 4 network builds in the about 20 years they've been in the cell phone business. > But it is not irrational that some services wind up being near-free in > the US, when the cost model for equipment wound up different due to > bankruptcies... > -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 23:25:00 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:25:00 +0000 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <47C73FC0.4070505-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> <47C73FC0.4070505@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:12 PM, James Knott wrote: > > Christopher Browne wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:28 PM, James Knott wrote: > > > >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:37:43AM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: > >> > > >> >> This is what I have found in any other country I have visited beside N > >> >> America. Communication cost can get really low as just paying the > >> >> minimum fee to retain the number active. And as long as you have some > >> >> money on the phone, the numer is your for an year. > >> >> > >> > > >> > Here it can cost $5 per month to have voice mail service. There it is > >> > included free in your anual minimum use cost. Of course voicemail > >> > really costs the company nothing if they already have the equipment so > >> > the $5 per month is pure profit. > >> > >> Why would they already have that equipment? A company buys equipment > >> with the idea of generating revenue with it and that same equipment has > >> to be amortized over several years. Where does the money to amortize it > >> come from? > >> > > > > A peculiar thing happened in the US over the last few years: A whole > > bunch of companies went aggressively after cellular market dominance. > > And a bunch FAILED. That's part of why Nortel has gone through near > > death throes - they sold equipment to these companies, and geared up > > for expansion based on that, only to see the companies die. Cisco is > > suffering from the same thing, albeit to a lesser degree. > > > > At any rate, what happened after the business failures was that a > > whole pile of cellular infrastructure leaped onto the US market at > > fire sale prices. A side-effect of this is that successors could buy > > up "world class" infrastructure for a song, and thereby have near-zero > > cost for this sort of thing. > > > > Canada did not see anything like the same sort of > > cut-throat-to-the-point-of-bleeding-out competition, so the cellular > > sellers, here, actually paid for the equipment that they are using. > > Mind you, eventually the cost is amortized, and some of the fees that > > they charge do become lies. > > > > Once that equipment is paid for & depreciated, it becomes a tax > liability to keep it in service. At least, that's what I recall from > when I was planning equipment installs for Unitel. Also, these days > equipment depreciates fast! Take Rogers, for example. They originally > started out with analog gear, then the old "TDMA" and now GSM (also > TDMA) and they've already started moving to the next generation. On > the other side, the carrier gear is quickly moving from TDM or ATM to IP > switching. So, that's 3 or 4 network builds in the about 20 years > they've been in the cell phone business. No, it's NOT a "tax liability to keep it in service." No more than it would be a "tax liability" to keep a car in service for a couple more years. The phone companies tend to be *so* profitable that their perspective on things tends to deviate from what many would consider rational. If there is a cost, it would be in terms of service and maintenance fees. Cisco, I expect, tries this road, where they'd try to hike up maintenance fees on old hardware to the point of making new hardware look mighty attractive. But note that this would be a fee that Cisco would charge; it's not some magical "tax liability." For a Linux "fit," you can consider that Linux often plays well on hardware that's a couple years old. My work PC was pretty spiffy when it was new, but it's certainly *way* inferior to what's being sold now, and would certainly be wildly inadequate to run Windows Vista. In a telco context, they would be quite likely to try to force pushing the old machine off my desk, not because it "needs to go," but because of some "renewal policy" that amounts mostly to them not caring what things cost. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 23:54:38 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:54:38 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> <47C73FC0.4070505@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47C749BE.8050100@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:12 PM, James Knott wrote: > >> Christopher Browne wrote: >> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:28 PM, James Knott wrote: >> > >> >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:37:43AM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> This is what I have found in any other country I have visited beside N >> >> >> America. Communication cost can get really low as just paying the >> >> >> minimum fee to retain the number active. And as long as you have some >> >> >> money on the phone, the numer is your for an year. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Here it can cost $5 per month to have voice mail service. There it is >> >> > included free in your anual minimum use cost. Of course voicemail >> >> > really costs the company nothing if they already have the equipment so >> >> > the $5 per month is pure profit. >> >> >> >> Why would they already have that equipment? A company buys equipment >> >> with the idea of generating revenue with it and that same equipment has >> >> to be amortized over several years. Where does the money to amortize it >> >> come from? >> >> >> > >> > A peculiar thing happened in the US over the last few years: A whole >> > bunch of companies went aggressively after cellular market dominance. >> > And a bunch FAILED. That's part of why Nortel has gone through near >> > death throes - they sold equipment to these companies, and geared up >> > for expansion based on that, only to see the companies die. Cisco is >> > suffering from the same thing, albeit to a lesser degree. >> > >> > At any rate, what happened after the business failures was that a >> > whole pile of cellular infrastructure leaped onto the US market at >> > fire sale prices. A side-effect of this is that successors could buy >> > up "world class" infrastructure for a song, and thereby have near-zero >> > cost for this sort of thing. >> > >> > Canada did not see anything like the same sort of >> > cut-throat-to-the-point-of-bleeding-out competition, so the cellular >> > sellers, here, actually paid for the equipment that they are using. >> > Mind you, eventually the cost is amortized, and some of the fees that >> > they charge do become lies. >> > >> >> Once that equipment is paid for & depreciated, it becomes a tax >> liability to keep it in service. At least, that's what I recall from >> when I was planning equipment installs for Unitel. Also, these days >> equipment depreciates fast! Take Rogers, for example. They originally >> started out with analog gear, then the old "TDMA" and now GSM (also >> TDMA) and they've already started moving to the next generation. On >> the other side, the carrier gear is quickly moving from TDM or ATM to IP >> switching. So, that's 3 or 4 network builds in the about 20 years >> they've been in the cell phone business. >> > > No, it's NOT a "tax liability to keep it in service." No more than it > would be a "tax liability" to keep a car in service for a couple more > years. > > The phone companies tend to be *so* profitable that their perspective > on things tends to deviate from what many would consider rational. > You're talking to someone who used to work for Unitel. When I left, in Jan 95, they were losing something on the order of $1M/day! I'd hardly call that profitable. Back in the days when I was in planning for them, I was spending something on the order of $6-7 million per year on new hardware. There were several other planners doing similar. As for tax liabilities, what happens when you tell Rev Can that a piece of hardware has a, for example, 10 year life, base your taxes on that and then keep it in service for 15 or 20 years? -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 28 23:59:23 2008 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:59:23 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <47C749BE.8050100-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47C749BE.8050100@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200802281859.24123.dbmacg@look.ca> On February 28, 2008 06:54:38 pm James Knott wrote: > Christopher Browne wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:12 PM, James Knott wrote: > >> Christopher Browne wrote: > >> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:28 PM, James Knott wrote: > >> >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> >> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:37:43AM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: > >> >> >> This is what I have found in any other country I have visited > >> >> >> beside N America. Communication cost can get really low as just > >> >> >> paying the minimum fee to retain the number active. And as long > >> >> >> as you have some money on the phone, the numer is your for an > >> >> >> year. > >> >> > > >> >> > Here it can cost $5 per month to have voice mail service. There > >> >> > it is included free in your anual minimum use cost. Of course > >> >> > voicemail really costs the company nothing if they already have > >> >> > the equipment so the $5 per month is pure profit. > >> >> > >> >> Why would they already have that equipment? A company buys > >> >> equipment with the idea of generating revenue with it and that same > >> >> equipment has to be amortized over several years. Where does the > >> >> money to amortize it come from? > >> > > >> > A peculiar thing happened in the US over the last few years: A whole > >> > bunch of companies went aggressively after cellular market dominance. > >> > And a bunch FAILED. That's part of why Nortel has gone through near > >> > death throes - they sold equipment to these companies, and geared up > >> > for expansion based on that, only to see the companies die. Cisco is > >> > suffering from the same thing, albeit to a lesser degree. > >> > > >> > At any rate, what happened after the business failures was that a > >> > whole pile of cellular infrastructure leaped onto the US market at > >> > fire sale prices. A side-effect of this is that successors could buy > >> > up "world class" infrastructure for a song, and thereby have > >> > near-zero cost for this sort of thing. > >> > > >> > Canada did not see anything like the same sort of > >> > cut-throat-to-the-point-of-bleeding-out competition, so the cellular > >> > sellers, here, actually paid for the equipment that they are using. > >> > Mind you, eventually the cost is amortized, and some of the fees that > >> > they charge do become lies. > >> > >> Once that equipment is paid for & depreciated, it becomes a tax > >> liability to keep it in service. At least, that's what I recall from > >> when I was planning equipment installs for Unitel. Also, these days > >> equipment depreciates fast! Take Rogers, for example. They originally > >> started out with analog gear, then the old "TDMA" and now GSM (also > >> TDMA) and they've already started moving to the next generation. On > >> the other side, the carrier gear is quickly moving from TDM or ATM to > >> IP switching. So, that's 3 or 4 network builds in the about 20 years > >> they've been in the cell phone business. > > > > No, it's NOT a "tax liability to keep it in service." No more than it > > would be a "tax liability" to keep a car in service for a couple more > > years. > > > > The phone companies tend to be *so* profitable that their perspective > > on things tends to deviate from what many would consider rational. > > You're talking to someone who used to work for Unitel. When I left, in > Jan 95, they were losing something on the order of $1M/day! I'd hardly > call that profitable. Back in the days when I was in planning for them, > I was spending something on the order of $6-7 million per year on new > hardware. There were several other planners doing similar. As for tax > liabilities, what happens when you tell Rev Can that a piece of hardware > has a, for example, 10 year life, base your taxes on that and then keep > it in service for 15 or 20 years? You save money. That was the idea behind all-stainless-steel railcars. Once they are fully depreciated, you still have 100% of what you bought. -- Duncan MacGregor --- Toronto --- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 00:34:25 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:34:25 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <200802281859.24123.dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM@public.gmane.org> References: <47C749BE.8050100@rogers.com> <200802281859.24123.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: <47C75311.7020807@rogers.com> Duncan MacGregor wrote: > On February 28, 2008 06:54:38 pm James Knott wrote: > >> Christopher Browne wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:12 PM, James Knott >>> > wrote: > >>>> Christopher Browne wrote: >>>> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:28 PM, James Knott >>>> > wrote: > >>>> >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>>> >> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:37:43AM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: >>>> >> >> This is what I have found in any other country I have visited >>>> >> >> beside N America. Communication cost can get really low as just >>>> >> >> paying the minimum fee to retain the number active. And as long >>>> >> >> as you have some money on the phone, the numer is your for an >>>> >> >> year. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Here it can cost $5 per month to have voice mail service. There >>>> >> > it is included free in your anual minimum use cost. Of course >>>> >> > voicemail really costs the company nothing if they already have >>>> >> > the equipment so the $5 per month is pure profit. >>>> >> >>>> >> Why would they already have that equipment? A company buys >>>> >> equipment with the idea of generating revenue with it and that same >>>> >> equipment has to be amortized over several years. Where does the >>>> >> money to amortize it come from? >>>> > >>>> > A peculiar thing happened in the US over the last few years: A whole >>>> > bunch of companies went aggressively after cellular market dominance. >>>> > And a bunch FAILED. That's part of why Nortel has gone through near >>>> > death throes - they sold equipment to these companies, and geared up >>>> > for expansion based on that, only to see the companies die. Cisco is >>>> > suffering from the same thing, albeit to a lesser degree. >>>> > >>>> > At any rate, what happened after the business failures was that a >>>> > whole pile of cellular infrastructure leaped onto the US market at >>>> > fire sale prices. A side-effect of this is that successors could buy >>>> > up "world class" infrastructure for a song, and thereby have >>>> > near-zero cost for this sort of thing. >>>> > >>>> > Canada did not see anything like the same sort of >>>> > cut-throat-to-the-point-of-bleeding-out competition, so the cellular >>>> > sellers, here, actually paid for the equipment that they are using. >>>> > Mind you, eventually the cost is amortized, and some of the fees that >>>> > they charge do become lies. >>>> >>>> Once that equipment is paid for & depreciated, it becomes a tax >>>> liability to keep it in service. At least, that's what I recall from >>>> when I was planning equipment installs for Unitel. Also, these days >>>> equipment depreciates fast! Take Rogers, for example. They originally >>>> started out with analog gear, then the old "TDMA" and now GSM (also >>>> TDMA) and they've already started moving to the next generation. On >>>> the other side, the carrier gear is quickly moving from TDM or ATM to >>>> IP switching. So, that's 3 or 4 network builds in the about 20 years >>>> they've been in the cell phone business. >>>> >>> No, it's NOT a "tax liability to keep it in service." No more than it >>> would be a "tax liability" to keep a car in service for a couple more >>> years. >>> >>> The phone companies tend to be *so* profitable that their perspective >>> on things tends to deviate from what many would consider rational. >>> >> You're talking to someone who used to work for Unitel. When I left, in >> Jan 95, they were losing something on the order of $1M/day! I'd hardly >> call that profitable. Back in the days when I was in planning for them, >> I was spending something on the order of $6-7 million per year on new >> hardware. There were several other planners doing similar. As for tax >> liabilities, what happens when you tell Rev Can that a piece of hardware >> has a, for example, 10 year life, base your taxes on that and then keep >> it in service for 15 or 20 years? >> > > You save money. > That was the idea behind all-stainless-steel railcars. Once they are fully > depreciated, you still have 100% of what you bought. > > My question is what happens when you tell Rev Can that those cars have an expected life of 10 years, plan your finances and taxes around that number, but then use them for 15 or 20? You've arranged for a tax deduction based on a 10 year cost, which is greater than it would be, if you said 15 or 20 year cost. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 00:46:32 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:46:32 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <47C749BE.8050100-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> <47C73FC0.4070505@rogers.com> <47C749BE.8050100@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 2/28/08, James Knott wrote: > Christopher Browne wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:12 PM, James Knott > wrote: > > > >> Christopher Browne wrote: > >> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:28 PM, James Knott > wrote: > >> > > >> >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> >> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:37:43AM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> This is what I have found in any other country I have visited > beside N > >> >> >> America. Communication cost can get really low as just paying > the > >> >> >> minimum fee to retain the number active. And as long as you have > some > >> >> >> money on the phone, the numer is your for an year. > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > Here it can cost $5 per month to have voice mail service. There > it is > >> >> > included free in your anual minimum use cost. Of course voicemail > >> >> > really costs the company nothing if they already have the > equipment so > >> >> > the $5 per month is pure profit. > >> >> > >> >> Why would they already have that equipment? A company buys > equipment > >> >> with the idea of generating revenue with it and that same equipment > has > >> >> to be amortized over several years. Where does the money to > amortize it > >> >> come from? > >> >> > >> > > >> > A peculiar thing happened in the US over the last few years: A whole > >> > bunch of companies went aggressively after cellular market dominance. > >> > And a bunch FAILED. That's part of why Nortel has gone through near > >> > death throes - they sold equipment to these companies, and geared up > >> > for expansion based on that, only to see the companies die. Cisco is > >> > suffering from the same thing, albeit to a lesser degree. > >> > > >> > At any rate, what happened after the business failures was that a > >> > whole pile of cellular infrastructure leaped onto the US market at > >> > fire sale prices. A side-effect of this is that successors could buy > >> > up "world class" infrastructure for a song, and thereby have near-zero > >> > cost for this sort of thing. > >> > > >> > Canada did not see anything like the same sort of > >> > cut-throat-to-the-point-of-bleeding-out competition, so the cellular > >> > sellers, here, actually paid for the equipment that they are using. > >> > Mind you, eventually the cost is amortized, and some of the fees that > >> > they charge do become lies. > >> > > >> > >> Once that equipment is paid for & depreciated, it becomes a tax > >> liability to keep it in service. At least, that's what I recall from > >> when I was planning equipment installs for Unitel. Also, these days > >> equipment depreciates fast! Take Rogers, for example. They originally > >> started out with analog gear, then the old "TDMA" and now GSM (also > >> TDMA) and they've already started moving to the next generation. On > >> the other side, the carrier gear is quickly moving from TDM or ATM to IP > >> switching. So, that's 3 or 4 network builds in the about 20 years > >> they've been in the cell phone business. > >> > > > > No, it's NOT a "tax liability to keep it in service." No more than it > > would be a "tax liability" to keep a car in service for a couple more > > years. > > > > The phone companies tend to be *so* profitable that their perspective > > on things tends to deviate from what many would consider rational. > > > > You're talking to someone who used to work for Unitel. When I left, in > Jan 95, they were losing something on the order of $1M/day! I'd hardly > call that profitable. Back in the days when I was in planning for them, > I was spending something on the order of $6-7 million per year on new > hardware. There were several other planners doing similar. As for tax > liabilities, what happens when you tell Rev Can that a piece of hardware > has a, for example, 10 year life, base your taxes on that and then keep > it in service for 15 or 20 years? What happens is nothing. CRA doesn't give a rip how long you intend to use a piece of hardware. Pointedly. you don't get to tell them "Oh, I'll depreciate it over 10 years." Indeed, if you look at Schedule 1 of a T2 tax return, you'll discover that whatever you reported as depreciation on your financial statements gets ADDED BACK to income. That is, whatever amount you might report as depreciation is REJECTED by the government. Instead, THEY impose the rates for a deduction they call "Capital Cost Allowance." They tell you something like: "Oh, that's data centre infrastructure equipment, CCA class 46. For tax purposes, you will be claiming CCA (Capital Cost Allowance) of 30% of the remaining value each year. (Except in year 1, in which you claim half that, or 15%.)" Class 46 is pretty new; back when I used to do hundreds of tax returns per year, the CCA rates on computer-like stuff was more usually something like 20%, but the Department of Finance is obviously continuing to add to the legislation over time. They have therefore imposed a "depreciation calculation," and there is no reason for them to need to care how long you keep a particular asset in service. Keeping a phone switch in service for 20 years rather than 10 probably mostly means that you save some money on the capital cost of buying switches. There's no magical "for tax purposes, suddenly magic happens" thing here. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 03:28:50 2008 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:28:50 -0500 Subject: =?US-ASCII?Q?Comcast_Blocking:_First_the_Internet_-_Now_the_Public?= Message-ID: <005001c87a83$343174e0$9c945ea0$@com> Very interesting article about the future of the open internet. http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/02/25/comcast-blocking-first-the-in ternet-now-the-public/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 04:37:49 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:37:49 -0500 Subject: installing fung-calc on ubuntu Message-ID: <1204259869.11590.22.camel@aragorn> I have a little problem with compiling the fung-calc source. Fung-calc is an online open-source graphing calculator. I do a ./configure, and I get the following message after it runs autoconf: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. Let it be said that I have Ubuntu recently recommended an update which I followed, regarding installing version 4 and version 4 of the "dev" package. There are files present under /usr/lib/Qt, and /usr/include/Qt also. So, checking config.log doesn't seem to be of much help. Doing as I am told and "looking at the end of config.log" gets me: ------8<-----SNIP-----8<---------- -bash (10) tail config.log #define SIZEOF_INT 4 #define SIZEOF_LONG 4 #define STDC_HEADERS 1 #define VERSION "1.3.2b" #define ksize_t socklen_t #endif #ifdef __cplusplus #include configure: exit 1 ------8<-----SNIP-----8<---------- It looks to me like it just "kind of dies" during the configuration. If you require all of this file to troubleshoot this, let me know, but I don't believe that there is anything impressive, although there was the following interesting passage: ------8<-----SNIP-----8<---------- conftest.cc:2:21: error: qglobal.h: No such file or directory conftest.cc:3:26: error: qapplication.h: No such file or directory conftest.cc:4:21: error: qcursor.h: No such file or directory conftest.cc:5:27: error: qstylefactory.h: No such file or directory conftest.cc:6:34: error: private/qucomextra_p.h: No such file or directory conftest.cc:7:8: warning: "QT_VERSION" is not defined conftest.cc:8:2: error: #error 1 conftest.cc: In function 'int main()': conftest.cc:12: error: 'QStyleFactory' was not declared in this scope conftest.cc:12: error: expected `;' before '::' token conftest.cc:13: error: 'QCursor' was not declared in this scope conftest.cc:13: error: expected `;' before 'c' configure:22153: $? = 1 configure: failed program was: #include "confdefs.h" #include #include #include #include #include #if ! (QT_VERSION >= 300) #error 1 ------8<-----SNIP-----8<---------- And doing a "locate" on these missing files yielded: ------8<-----SNIP-----8<---------- -bash (13) $ locate qglobal.h /usr/local/src/qt-3.3.4/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/src/tools/qglobal.h /usr/local/src/qt-3.3.4/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/include/qglobal.h /usr/include/qt4/Qt/qglobal.h /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qglobal.h -bash (14) $ locate qapplication.h /usr/local/src/qt-3.3.4/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/src/kernel/qapplication.h /usr/local/src/qt-3.3.4/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/doc/html/qapplication.html /usr/local/src/qt-3.3.4/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/include/qapplication.h /usr/include/qt4/Qt/qapplication.h /usr/include/qt4/QtGui/qapplication.h -bash (15) $ locate qcursor.h /usr/local/src/qt-3.3.4/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/src/kernel/qcursor.h /usr/local/src/qt-3.3.4/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/doc/html/qcursor.html /usr/local/src/qt-3.3.4/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/include/qcursor.h /usr/include/qt4/Qt/qcursor.h /usr/include/qt4/QtGui/qcursor.h -bash (16) $ locate qstylefactory.h /usr/local/src/qt-3.3.4/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/src/styles/qstylefactory.h /usr/local/src/qt-3.3.4/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/doc/html/qstylefactory.html /usr/local/src/qt-3.3.4/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/include/qstylefactory.h /usr/include/qt4/Qt/qstylefactory.h /usr/include/qt4/QtGui/qstylefactory.h -bash (18) $ locate qucomextra_p.h /usr/local/src/qt-3.3.4/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/src/kernel/qucomextra_p.h /usr/local/src/qt-3.3.4/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/include/private/qucomextra_p.h ------8<-----SNIP-----8<---------- In other words I have several copies of all of the files. This was after running the commands in the form of: ./configure and sudo sh ./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/lib/qt4 --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt4 and also with version 3 libs: sudo sh ./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/local/src/qt-3.3.4/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/include --with-qt-incdes=/usr/include/qt3 any help would be appreciated. Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 15:31:00 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:31:00 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <47C73574.6060107-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080229153100.GX1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 05:28:04PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Why would they already have that equipment? A company buys equipment > with the idea of generating revenue with it and that same equipment has > to be amortized over several years. Where does the money to amortize it > come from? If you install equipment that supports call display then you have equipment that supports call display. Whether it transmits it down the line to the end user doesn't change the cost of the box at all. It certainly does not cost $5 per month to do so for each customer. Given the voice mail system (at least for cell phones) is often limited to 5 messages of 60 seconds, the number of users any given voice mail system can handle with the size of drives today is just about infinite. I don't see how it can be $5 or even $8 in some cases per month to store a few KBs of data. I am sure there is cost involved in buying and setting up these devices in the first place, but given the amount of money one has to pay per month for the service in the first place I would think that should already be covered. > We already have that. Any GSM vendor, other than Rogers/Fido is someone > reselling services from Rogers. Is there anyone reselling CDMA from > Bell or Telus. Back in the days before Rogers bought them, the 1st GSM > network was Fido, which was owned by Microcell. Microcell also sold > bulk service to other companies. I meant a network not controlled by bastards like rogers and bell (never dealt with telus personally). It was a sad thing to see fido be taken over by rogers. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 15:50:05 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:50:05 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <20080229153100.GX1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> <20080229153100.GX1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47C829AD.3020203@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 05:28:04PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >> Why would they already have that equipment? A company buys equipment >> with the idea of generating revenue with it and that same equipment has >> to be amortized over several years. Where does the money to amortize it >> come from? >> > > If you install equipment that supports call display then you have > equipment that supports call display. Whether it transmits it down the > line to the end user doesn't change the cost of the box at all. It > certainly does not cost $5 per month to do so for each customer. > Do cell phone companies charge for call display? I don't recall seeing that on my Rogers bill. > Given the voice mail system (at least for cell phones) is often limited > to 5 messages of 60 seconds, the number of users any given voice mail > system can handle with the size of drives today is just about infinite. > I don't see how it can be $5 or even $8 in some cases per month to store > a few KBs of data. > Voice mail is a bit different, in that it requires something to record the messages on, whereas call display is simply passing on call info and all modern equipment supports it. I don't have voice mail, as I've configured my service to phone home, should I not answer a cell call. > I am sure there is cost involved in buying and setting up these devices > in the first place, but given the amount of money one has to pay per > month for the service in the first place I would think that should > already be covered. > One thing you're forgetting is that companies are in business to make money. This means they set the rates for whatever they think will give them the best profit. If the customers don't like the price they may not take the service or might switch providers. > >> We already have that. Any GSM vendor, other than Rogers/Fido is someone >> reselling services from Rogers. Is there anyone reselling CDMA from >> Bell or Telus. Back in the days before Rogers bought them, the 1st GSM >> network was Fido, which was owned by Microcell. Microcell also sold >> bulk service to other companies. >> > > I meant a network not controlled by bastards like rogers and bell (never > dealt with telus personally). > > It was a sad thing to see fido be taken over by rogers. > > Don't forget, some rates, at least for Bell land line are determined by tariff. One thing I find incredible is that touch tone is still a separate charge for many people, even though it's now basic service. I suspect this may be, at least partially, due to those poverty activists, who insist that pulse lines be available to low income people at a lower rate, even though there's no money to be saved in providing a pulse dial service and pulse dial only phones are getting scare. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 15:50:51 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:50:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <20080229153100.GX1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> <20080229153100.GX1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <2229.99.232.68.237.1204300251.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > If you install equipment that supports call display then you have > equipment that supports call display. Whether it transmits it down the > line to the end user doesn't change the cost of the box at all. It > certainly does not cost $5 per month to do so for each customer. To my mind, the most egregious example of over charging is the surcharge for a touch-tone phone. Back in the 80's when I tried to hold on to pulse dialing and Bell would not allow it. But I still have to pay (to this day) for the 'option' of tone dialing. Incidentally, while we were still using pulse dialing when we substribed to an ISP. The connection didn't work and the tech support guy was totally stumped. It turned out that the modem had to be told to use pulse dialing. I suspect the TSG wasn't old enough to be aware of pulse dialing. Has anyone seen the Bell instructional film from the 30's which shows people how to use a rotary dial? -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 16:39:16 2008 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:39:16 -0500 Subject: OT - Cell Service - How They Do It in Europe In-Reply-To: <20080228140115.GV1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47C83534.7040701@utoronto.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > In europe the caller pays for the call, so if you call a cell phone > (which generally have their own area codes so you can easily tell it is > a call phone) you know its going to cost a lot more than otherwise. Of > course you also pay for all calls since there is no such thing as free > local calls. > > In north america all phone numbers are considered equal, so if you call > a local number, it is free, and a further away number costs money to > call. If the number happens to be a call phone then the owner of the > call phone is responsible for the cost of using that cell phone since > the caller has no way of knowing that they are calling a cell phone. > > The european method of course has made it possible to have a cell phone > that really is only for emergencies these days for practically no money > since you can receive calls for free and only pay for the few outgoing > calls you make. My parents picked one up last time they went to visit > family in denmark and for a pay as you go, the phone cost about $300 to > buy, and then the starter package from a phone company was $20 which > includes $10 worth of pay as you go, and sets up the voice mail, phone > number, includes the SIM card, etc. Money paid lasts for 12 months, and > the minimum top up is $10, so essentially they can maintain a cell phone > in Denmark for $10 per year now. Rather handy given they visit every 3 > years or so, but pay phones have become extinct there so having a cell > phone is pretty much required. > > Whats the cheapest you can get a pay as you go cell phone here, and can > you get free incoming calls (the answer is no as far as I can tell). > > Competition is good, and europe sure has that now. 20 years ago they > had only government monopolies on phone service for the most part. > There certainly isn't any competition in the cell phone market in > canada anymore. All we have are 3 giant old companies all happily > charging the same high rates for the same service and buying out anyone > that tries to start competing with them. Setting up a cell phone > company is also very expensive here given the low population density > there just isn't a market for that many companies to build expensive > networks. Lennart I agree wholeheartedly with your message and I have had the same experiences in Italy. There are 4 main cell phone providers in Italy (TIM, Vodafone, Wind, and 3 or tre). They all use GSM/GPRS across Italy (no CDMA, TDMA crap). All four offer UMTS in the major cities and TIM offers EDGE across Italy. TIM was offering unlimited Internet in off peak hours (5 in evening to 8 next morning weekdays and all day weekends) for ?25 a month. Now, granted in Europe, population density is greater, so we should expect to see a greater cost here. But I still think the setup stinks here. Consider that my Italian cell phone works everywhere in Italy without roaming charges. Only when you exit the country does roaming kick in. I wonder if there is a way to lobby the powers that be for a more rational market in cell phone services. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 16:49:01 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:49:01 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <47C829AD.3020203-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> <20080229153100.GX1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C829AD.3020203@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080229164901.GY1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 10:50:05AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Do cell phone companies charge for call display? I don't recall seeing > that on my Rogers bill. Bell certainly does on many plans. > Voice mail is a bit different, in that it requires something to record > the messages on, whereas call display is simply passing on call info and > all modern equipment supports it. I don't have voice mail, as I've > configured my service to phone home, should I not answer a cell call. It does require equipment, but I think the cost in europe (where it seems to be that as long as you spend at least $10 per year on talk time, they will provide voice mail, call display and a phone number) is much more realistic and actually reflects the true cost. > One thing you're forgetting is that companies are in business to make > money. This means they set the rates for whatever they think will give > them the best profit. If the customers don't like the price they may > not take the service or might switch providers. I just think there ought to be actual competition. Right now it seems Bell, Rogers and Telus are perfectly happy to all charge the same insane prices for service. None of them want to start a price war and actually compete. > Don't forget, some rates, at least for Bell land line are determined by > tariff. One thing I find incredible is that touch tone is still a > separate charge for many people, even though it's now basic service. I > suspect this may be, at least partially, due to those poverty activists, > who insist that pulse lines be available to low income people at a lower > rate, even though there's no money to be saved in providing a pulse dial > service and pulse dial only phones are getting scare. You can't order a new Bell line without touchtone, but anyone with an old line without touchtone doesn't pay it. Its stupid, given these days the old pulse dialing system is probably more expensive to support in the equipment than touch tone is and the touch tone equipment was paid for and probably retired multiple times over long ago. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 17:00:01 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:00:01 -0500 Subject: OT - Cell Service - How They Do It in Europe In-Reply-To: <47C83534.7040701-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C83534.7040701@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20080229170001.GZ1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:39:16AM -0500, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Lennart I agree wholeheartedly with your message and I have had the same > experiences in Italy. > > There are 4 main cell phone providers in Italy (TIM, Vodafone, Wind, and > 3 or tre). They all use GSM/GPRS across Italy (no CDMA, TDMA crap). All > four offer UMTS in the major cities and TIM offers EDGE across Italy. > > TIM was offering unlimited Internet in off peak hours (5 in evening to 8 > next morning weekdays and all day weekends) for ?25 a month. > > Now, granted in Europe, population density is greater, so we should > expect to see a greater cost here. But I still think the setup stinks here. > > Consider that my Italian cell phone works everywhere in Italy without > roaming charges. Only when you exit the country does roaming kick in. > > I wonder if there is a way to lobby the powers that be for a more > rational market in cell phone services. In general north america assumes that a capitalist market will work things out and that if something is being overcharged someone else will come in and start a competing cheaper service, but instead any upstarts are generally just bought out for a one time cost to elliminate the problem. None of the anti trust regulations seem to ever actually work to prevent monopolies or at least an oligopoly from taking over. Companies want to make money and you can make a lot more money if you can agree on a price with your competitors (either explicitly or just by evolution) than by trying to underbid your competirors to try and take over the whole market. After all if there is 1 million customers in a given market and 4 companies service it then you each make more money if you can service 250000 at $50 each than if you can service 1 million yourself at $10 each. Now it may be that at $10 each you could have 5 million customers, but at some point you run out of potential new customers. Just look at the pricing of Windows over the years as Microsoft managed to secure just about the entire OS market. Once you have the whole market you have to start increasing prices or cutting down on pirating in order to keep increasing profits at the rates shareholders have become accustomed. Eventually that greed will destroy the market and something else will take its place but it can take a long time and in the mean time the consumers in the market bear the cost of it. It seems strange that the phone market in europe is much better in the private hands (although roaming charges are insane and being looked into by regulators), while it was inefficient and expensive when it was government run. In north america privatization seems to have made things worse in some cases, although not all. It's not an overall improvement in many cases though. For some reason competition doesn't seem to work out very well here. It may just be the low population density that is the problem. It costs too much to startup a nation wide service with not enough potential customers. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 17:00:10 2008 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:00:10 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <47C829AD.3020203-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> <20080229153100.GX1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C829AD.3020203@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080229170010.C933A854FD@sarg.ryerson.ca> > Voice mail is a bit different, in that it requires something to record > the messages on... Given the trends, storage for voicemail is essentially free, so I certainly agree with Lennart, the fee charged is completely outrageous. See: http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-03/ff_free ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 18:13:30 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:13:30 -0500 Subject: OT - Cell Service - How They Do It in Europe In-Reply-To: <47C83534.7040701-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C83534.7040701@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <47C84B4A.9010007@rogers.com> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > > > Consider that my Italian cell phone works everywhere in Italy without > roaming charges. Only when you exit the country does roaming kick in. > > I wonder if there is a way to lobby the powers that be for a more > rational market in cell phone services. > Rogers has plans where you can wander or call anywhere in Canada or Canada & U.S. They cost more though. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 18:22:59 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:22:59 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <20080229164901.GY1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> <20080229153100.GX1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C829AD.3020203@rogers.com> <20080229164901.GY1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47C84D83.7020808@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 10:50:05AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >> Do cell phone companies charge for call display? I don't recall seeing >> that on my Rogers bill. >> > > Bell certainly does on many plans. > > >> Voice mail is a bit different, in that it requires something to record >> the messages on, whereas call display is simply passing on call info and >> all modern equipment supports it. I don't have voice mail, as I've >> configured my service to phone home, should I not answer a cell call. >> > > It does require equipment, but I think the cost in europe (where it seems > to be that as long as you spend at least $10 per year on talk time, they > will provide voice mail, call display and a phone number) is much more > realistic and actually reflects the true cost. > Any system that supports Signaling System 7 supports that. It's part of the call set up info, though name display requires accessing a database. SS7 has been in use for many years and any equipment that doesn't support it is so old as to be obsolete. > >> One thing you're forgetting is that companies are in business to make >> money. This means they set the rates for whatever they think will give >> them the best profit. If the customers don't like the price they may >> not take the service or might switch providers. >> > > I just think there ought to be actual competition. Right now it seems > Bell, Rogers and Telus are perfectly happy to all charge the same insane > prices for service. None of them want to start a price war and actually > compete. > > >> Don't forget, some rates, at least for Bell land line are determined by >> tariff. One thing I find incredible is that touch tone is still a >> separate charge for many people, even though it's now basic service. I >> suspect this may be, at least partially, due to those poverty activists, >> who insist that pulse lines be available to low income people at a lower >> rate, even though there's no money to be saved in providing a pulse dial >> service and pulse dial only phones are getting scare. >> > > You can't order a new Bell line without touchtone, but anyone with an > old line without touchtone doesn't pay it. Its stupid, given these days > the old pulse dialing system is probably more expensive to support in > the equipment than touch tone is and the touch tone equipment was paid > for and probably retired multiple times over long ago. > > On my bill, it's $2.80/month. As I mentioned in another message, poverty activists demanded a cheaper pulse line, regardless of any costs involved. Also, IIRC, touch tones are not a tariffed item, so it's easier for Bell to change the price. It's long past the time the CRTC should have rolled touch tone dialing into basic service. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 18:33:43 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:33:43 -0500 Subject: OT - Cell Service - How They Do It in Europe In-Reply-To: <20080229170001.GZ1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C83534.7040701@utoronto.ca> <20080229170001.GZ1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47C85007.2000604@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > It seems strange that the phone market in europe is much better in the > private hands (although roaming charges are insane and being looked into > by regulators), while it was inefficient and expensive when it was > government run. In north america privatization seems to have made > things worse in some cases, although not all. It's not an overall > improvement in many cases though. For some reason competition doesn't > seem to work out very well here. It may just be the low population > density that is the problem. It costs too much to startup a nation wide > service with not enough potential customers. > For the most part, telecom in North America has alway been private, though a regulated monopoly. Competition in the U.S. has had a much bigger impact than here. Many services cost much less there, more than can be attributed to population density. In fact, if you want a dedicated circuit from, for example, Toronto to Vancouver, it's much cheaper to go via U.S. Even going across town is much cheaper in the U.S. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 18:39:35 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:39:35 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <47C84D83.7020808-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> <20080229153100.GX1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C829AD.3020203@rogers.com> <20080229164901.GY1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C84D83.7020808@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080229183935.GA1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 01:22:59PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Any system that supports Signaling System 7 supports that. It's part of > the call set up info, though name display requires accessing a > database. SS7 has been in use for many years and any equipment that > doesn't support it is so old as to be obsolete. That's why I figure call display (name display being slightly different) doesn't cost them anything. Any modern telephone equipment simply does it by design at no additional cost. > On my bill, it's $2.80/month. As I mentioned in another message, > poverty activists demanded a cheaper pulse line, regardless of any costs > involved. Also, IIRC, touch tones are not a tariffed item, so it's > easier for Bell to change the price. It's long past the time the CRTC > should have rolled touch tone dialing into basic service. Well the prices they advertise in general have nothing to do with the real cost (other than always being lower than the real cost). For example rogers wants: $29.95 for basic phone + 1 feature (features are of course for the most part essentially free to provide) But then they add in 911 costs (so does bell) which since it is mandetory ought to be in the base price. They then add a system access fee, which seems odd since well you would think if you pay them for phone service they would let you use their system without paying extra for it, but hey it's a great place to hide $4.50 of the actual monthly charge. So they get to advertise $29.95 when in fact the cost is closer to $40 for the advertised service. Of course they claim the system access fee is to cover upgrade costs of maintaining the network. Ehm, no, your profits from my monthly service fee is how you cover those costs. You want to provide a service and make money on it then you have to invest some of that money you make back into keeping it a good service. It ought to be illegal. It certainly is unethical. Never mind what I think of sales taxes not being included in the posted prices on things. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 18:49:22 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:49:22 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <20080229183935.GA1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080228140115.GV1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080228172933.GW1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C73574.6060107@rogers.com> <20080229153100.GX1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C829AD.3020203@rogers.com> <20080229164901.GY1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C84D83.7020808@rogers.com> <20080229183935.GA1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47C853B2.50300@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 01:22:59PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >> Any system that supports Signaling System 7 supports that. It's part of >> the call set up info, though name display requires accessing a >> database. SS7 has been in use for many years and any equipment that >> doesn't support it is so old as to be obsolete. >> > > That's why I figure call display (name display being slightly different) > doesn't cost them anything. Any modern telephone equipment simply does > it by design at no additional cost. > Unless you happen to be on an ancient exchange. When new gear arrives in the big city, it often pushes older stuff out to the boonies, so someone in the middle of nowhere, is barely past cranking the phone to get the operator! ;-) > >> On my bill, it's $2.80/month. As I mentioned in another message, >> poverty activists demanded a cheaper pulse line, regardless of any costs >> involved. Also, IIRC, touch tones are not a tariffed item, so it's >> easier for Bell to change the price. It's long past the time the CRTC >> should have rolled touch tone dialing into basic service. >> > > Well the prices they advertise in general have nothing to do with the > real cost (other than always being lower than the real cost). For > example rogers wants: > > $29.95 for basic phone + 1 feature (features are of course for the most > part essentially free to provide) > > But then they add in 911 costs (so does bell) which since it is > mandetory ought to be in the base price. > Since I'm paying that 911 charge on both wired & cell phones, do I get to call them twice as often? ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 18:50:16 2008 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:50:16 -0500 Subject: OT - Cell Service - How They Do It in Europe In-Reply-To: <47C85007.2000604-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080229170001.GZ1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C85007.2000604@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200802291350.16877.dbmacg@look.ca> On February 29, 2008 01:33:43 pm James Knott wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > It seems strange that the phone market in europe is much better in the > > private hands (although roaming charges are insane and being looked into > > by regulators), while it was inefficient and expensive when it was > > government run. In north america privatization seems to have made > > things worse in some cases, although not all. It's not an overall > > improvement in many cases though. For some reason competition doesn't > > seem to work out very well here. It may just be the low population > > density that is the problem. It costs too much to startup a nation wide > > service with not enough potential customers. > > For the most part, telecom in North America has alway been private, > though a regulated monopoly. Competition in the U.S. has had a much > bigger impact than here. Many services cost much less there, more than > can be attributed to population density. In fact, if you want a > dedicated circuit from, for example, Toronto to Vancouver, it's much > cheaper to go via U.S. Even going across town is much cheaper in the U.S. Inexpensive dedicated data lines had the effect of preserving proprietary network protocols and their hardware. In Canada, only the biggest companies could afford dedicated lines, and shared lines and packet-switching gear was not supported by the big US hardware vendors. So we had the worst of both worlds. We mice tried to follow OSI networking until the Elephant farted and rolled over, leaving us and the world with TCP/IP. We are seeing this again with cellphone technology. It seems clear that every serious businessman wants a good environment for monopoly except when he is trying to compete with a larger player; then he wants a 'level playing field'. Remember when the Telcos swore that they all lost money on local telephone service? -- Duncan MacGregor --- Toronto --- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 19:07:20 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:07:20 -0500 Subject: OT - Cell Service - How They Do It in Europe In-Reply-To: <200802291350.16877.dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM@public.gmane.org> References: <20080229170001.GZ1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C85007.2000604@rogers.com> <200802291350.16877.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: <47C857E8.7070802@rogers.com> Duncan MacGregor wrote: > On February 29, 2008 01:33:43 pm James Knott wrote: > >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >>> It seems strange that the phone market in europe is much better in the >>> private hands (although roaming charges are insane and being looked into >>> by regulators), while it was inefficient and expensive when it was >>> government run. In north america privatization seems to have made >>> things worse in some cases, although not all. It's not an overall >>> improvement in many cases though. For some reason competition doesn't >>> seem to work out very well here. It may just be the low population >>> density that is the problem. It costs too much to startup a nation wide >>> service with not enough potential customers. >>> >> For the most part, telecom in North America has alway been private, >> though a regulated monopoly. Competition in the U.S. has had a much >> bigger impact than here. Many services cost much less there, more than >> can be attributed to population density. In fact, if you want a >> dedicated circuit from, for example, Toronto to Vancouver, it's much >> cheaper to go via U.S. Even going across town is much cheaper in the U.S. >> > > Inexpensive dedicated data lines had the effect of preserving proprietary > network protocols and their hardware. In Canada, only the biggest companies > could afford dedicated lines, and shared lines and packet-switching gear was > not supported by the big US hardware vendors. So we had the worst of both > worlds. We mice tried to follow OSI networking until the Elephant farted and > rolled over, leaving us and the world with TCP/IP. > Actually, packet switching has been around for years across North America, including X.25 and Frame Relay, along with ATM, which uses "cells", rather than packets. For many years, Europe was behind in this area. Also, the hardware that's capable for sharing lines has been around for many years. I used to do a lot of work with Newbridge products and they had multiplexers that could mix 'n match various services over a dedicated line. Further, it's been possible, for many years to buy a fractional T1 from the carriers. However, until it became legal to resell telecom services, it was difficult to share bandwidth with others. Even today, I often set up systems, where a customer can split up the leased bandwidth, among a couple of different systems, such as PBX phones and computer network to a remote site. As an example, I could set up a system where you'd have 8 PBX lines sharing a T1 with about a 1.4 Mb/s network connection to the remote end. > We are seeing this again with cellphone technology. It seems clear that every > serious businessman wants a good environment for monopoly except when he is > trying to compete with a larger player; then he wants a 'level playing > field'. > > Remember when the Telcos swore that they all lost money on local telephone > service? > > > I don't have the numbers, but I seem to recall at one point business local access was subsidizing residential local access and most of the profit came from long distance. I can also remember when it used to be a toll call to phone across Winston Churchill Blvd., even though you could look out your window and see the person you were talking to! Back in those days, you'd pay a few dollars per minute to call Europe, while making a lot less than you do now. So, compared to 40 years ago, telecom is a bargain! -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 14:01:54 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:01:54 -0500 Subject: help changing from lilo to grub Message-ID: <20080229140154.GB3918@watson-wilson.ca> I've started training myself in Xen. So far I've discovered that my boot loader, Lilo, does not appear to like the Xen kernel. I decided to switch to Grub. Grub and I have some baggage together and we still have conflict. I tried to setup grub and install it to the MBR. Grub would launch at boot but claim that it could not find the file system. Perhaps some here can help me out: #LILO.CONF menu-scheme=Wb boot = /dev/hdb prompt map = /boot/System.map lba32 timeout=150 delay = 50 vga = normal # Normal VGA console default = sedebian # End LILO global section # Linux bootable partition config begins image = /boot/vmlinuz append = " selinux=1" initrd = /boot/initrd.img root = /dev/hdb1 label = sedebian read-only #GRUB MENU.LST default 0 timeout 5 color cyan/blue white/blue title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.22-1-686 Default root (hd1,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb1 ro initrd /boot/initrd.img title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.22-1-686 (single-user mode) root (hd1,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb1 ro single initrd /boot/initrd.img title Debian Xen root (hd1,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-xen-686 root=/dev/hdb1 ro initd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-1-xen-686 title Debian Xen (single-user mode) root (hd1,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-xen-686 root=/dev/hdb1 ro single initd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-1-xen-686 #EOF I ran 'grub-install hd1' and no errors were reported. The directory /boot/grub contains: total 244 -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 197 2008-02-29 08:17 default -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 45 2008-02-28 15:04 device.map -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 7620 2008-02-29 08:17 e2fs_stage1_5 -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 7456 2008-02-29 08:17 fat_stage1_5 -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 8172 2008-02-29 08:17 jfs_stage1_5 -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 4160 2008-02-28 15:11 menu.lst -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 4201 2008-02-28 15:02 menu.lst~ -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 6892 2008-02-29 08:17 minix_stage1_5 -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 9200 2008-02-29 08:17 reiserfs_stage1_5 -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 512 2008-02-29 08:17 stage1 -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 107588 2008-02-29 08:17 stage2 -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 8852 2008-02-29 08:17 xfs_stage1_5 -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 20:51:00 2008 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:51:00 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <47C853B2.50300-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080229183935.GA1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C853B2.50300@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200802291551.00231.dbmacg@look.ca> On February 29, 2008 01:49:22 pm James Knott wrote: > > Unless you happen to be on an ancient exchange. When new gear arrives > in the big city, it often pushes older stuff out to the boonies, so > someone in the middle of nowhere, is barely past cranking the phone to > get the operator! ;-) The boonies. Like twenty miles north of Barrie, say Craighurst. 70 miles from Toronto and all the good stuff starts to wink out. Other than that, it's 26k dialup data, no call-waiting, call-forward, call-answer, . . . The only substantial service map is for POTS. For high-speed data and actual cell-phone service, the service map is a series of tiny pockets around cities, with huge dark spots in between. And when Hydro goes off, you get about five hours and then no 9-1-1, no nothing until Hydro comes back on. So in areas when Hydro craps out, they lose 9-1-1 service soon after. -- Duncan MacGregor --- Toronto --- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psmerdon-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 20:55:04 2008 From: psmerdon-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org (Peter Smerdon) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:55:04 -0500 Subject: how do I run fetchmail only if the laptop is connected?(ubuntu) Message-ID: <87zltjsct3.fsf@magma.ca> Hello, at home on my desktop I have in my crontab: # m h dom mon dow command cron */10 * * * * /usr/bin/fetchmail -s >> /home/peter/cronlog 2>&1 Which pulls in my email every ten minutes, but when I am on the road, I would like to only run fetchmail (from cron) if I have a network connection. In Debian, the following would work: ,----[ fetchmail_if_connected.sh ] | #!/bin/zsh | | DEVICES='wlan0:eth0' | FETCHMAIL='/usr/bin/fetchmail' | OPTIONS='-s' | | devices=`echo $DEVICES | sed 's/:/\\\|/g'` | ifstate=`grep '\('$devices'\)' /etc/network/ifstate` | if [[ $ifstate != "" ]] ; then | $FETCHMAIL $OPTIONS | fi `---- However on my ubuntu laptop there is no such file /etc/network/ifstate, I am not sure if it is because I am using NetworkManager or because it simply does not exist in ubuntu. So, I just need to know how to tell if either wlan0 or eth0 is up. Any advice? -- Peter. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 21:08:07 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:08:07 -0500 Subject: OT - Cellphone billing In-Reply-To: <200802291551.00231.dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM@public.gmane.org> References: <20080229183935.GA1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47C853B2.50300@rogers.com> <200802291551.00231.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: <47C87437.9080809@rogers.com> Duncan MacGregor wrote: > On February 29, 2008 01:49:22 pm James Knott wrote: > > >> Unless you happen to be on an ancient exchange. When new gear arrives >> in the big city, it often pushes older stuff out to the boonies, so >> someone in the middle of nowhere, is barely past cranking the phone to >> get the operator! ;-) >> > > The boonies. > Like twenty miles north of Barrie, say Craighurst. 70 miles from Toronto and > all the good stuff starts to wink out. Other than that, it's 26k dialup data, > no call-waiting, call-forward, call-answer, . . . > I know where Craighurst is. I've passed by there, on Hwy 400, en route to & from Penetang, including yesterday. Of course, anything north of Steeles is the boonies. ;-) > > The only substantial service map is for POTS. For high-speed data and actual > cell-phone service, the service map is a series of tiny pockets around > cities, with huge dark spots in between. > Well, there's at least T1 in the prison in Penetang. I've been in there a few times, working on communications systems. If you'd care to relocate... ;-) > And when Hydro goes off, you get about five hours and then no 9-1-1, no > nothing until Hydro comes back on. > > So in areas when Hydro craps out, they lose 9-1-1 service soon after. > > > -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 21:36:09 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:36:09 -0500 Subject: help changing from lilo to grub In-Reply-To: <20080229140154.GB3918-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080229140154.GB3918@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20080229213609.GB1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 09:01:54AM -0500, Neil Watson wrote: > I've started training myself in Xen. So far I've discovered that my > boot loader, Lilo, does not appear to like the Xen kernel. I decided to > switch to Grub. Grub and I have some baggage together and we still have > conflict. I tried to setup grub and install it to the MBR. Grub would > launch at boot but claim that it could not find the file system. > Perhaps some here can help me out: > > #LILO.CONF > menu-scheme=Wb > boot = /dev/hdb > prompt > map = /boot/System.map > lba32 > timeout=150 > delay = 50 > vga = normal # Normal VGA console > default = sedebian > > # End LILO global section > # Linux bootable partition config begins > > image = /boot/vmlinuz > append = " selinux=1" > initrd = /boot/initrd.img > root = /dev/hdb1 > label = sedebian > read-only > > #GRUB MENU.LST > default 0 > timeout 5 > color cyan/blue white/blue > > title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.22-1-686 Default > root (hd1,0) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb1 ro > initrd /boot/initrd.img > > title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.22-1-686 (single-user mode) > root (hd1,0) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb1 ro single > initrd /boot/initrd.img > > title Debian Xen > root (hd1,0) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-xen-686 root=/dev/hdb1 ro > initd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-1-xen-686 > > title Debian Xen (single-user mode) > root (hd1,0) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-xen-686 root=/dev/hdb1 ro single > initd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-1-xen-686 > #EOF > > I ran 'grub-install hd1' and no errors were reported. The directory > /boot/grub contains: > > total 244 > -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 197 2008-02-29 08:17 default > -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 45 2008-02-28 15:04 device.map > -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 7620 2008-02-29 08:17 e2fs_stage1_5 > -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 7456 2008-02-29 08:17 fat_stage1_5 > -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 8172 2008-02-29 08:17 jfs_stage1_5 > -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 4160 2008-02-28 15:11 menu.lst > -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 4201 2008-02-28 15:02 menu.lst~ > -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 6892 2008-02-29 08:17 minix_stage1_5 > -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 9200 2008-02-29 08:17 reiserfs_stage1_5 > -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 512 2008-02-29 08:17 stage1 > -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 107588 2008-02-29 08:17 stage2 > -rw-r--r--+ 1 root root 8852 2008-02-29 08:17 xfs_stage1_5 What is in device.map? What is hda? I am more used to installing linux from linux by doing grub-install /dev/sda (or similar) instead. Who deals with jumping to boot to the second HD to start grub? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 21:36:11 2008 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:36:11 -0500 Subject: Yet Another iPod Question In-Reply-To: <200802261005.21014.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47C3084D.1010900@sympatico.ca> <200802251344.55268.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <47C32F77.7020302@sympatico.ca> <200802261005.21014.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <47C87ACB.10000@sympatico.ca> Jason Shein wrote: > As per the documentation, at least one song needs to be transferred to the > iPod prior to using Floola. > > I personally prefer gtkpod, but it only works for certain colours and size > combinations of the iPod nano. Of the 8gb models, only the silver version is > supported due to device IDs. > > If you attempt to attach gtkpd to an unsupported nano, it trashes the > database, and requires a repair using iTunes. ( as I found out ) > > > Floola works great for videos, mp3. and cover art on my daughters ( green 8GB > nano ) Thanks Jason. I went looking for places where I could get an 8gb silver iPod and found a few. Unfortunately, I got stuck out of town and had my wife and daughter go out to get one. The nice man at the store convinced them that there was no difference, so they came back with a black 3rd gen nano. First I set up the iPod with iTunes to make sure it was working OK. After a few songs were installed, I plugged it in to a linux PC. I could tell that the device was recognized from dmesg, but it would not mount itself to /media/ipod, which is where my son's iPod classic video mounts to on my machine. I tried creating the needed directory, setting the permissions and mounting it manually, but the permissions reset themselves to root and none of the players can use it. Amarock gives an error that it cannot write the lock file to the device because of denied permission. gtkpod was hopeless. I installed floola, but it crashes with exception errors every time I try to do anything at all with it. This is my daughter's iPod and she has a newer ubuntu just recently installed. I'll try there all over again, but it won't be until tomorrow when I take her back to school. There are some posts on the ubuntu forum that claim the nano 3G problem has been resolved, I just hope it includes the mounting problem I'm having. It would be nice to know if anyone's iPod nano (3rd gen) mounts itself properly upon plugging in. Thanks, John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 22:14:08 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:14:08 -0500 Subject: help changing from lilo to grub In-Reply-To: <20080229213609.GB1288-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080229140154.GB3918@watson-wilson.ca> <20080229213609.GB1288@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080229221408.GA4130@watson-wilson.ca> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 04:36:09PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >What is in device.map? (fd0) /dev/fd0 (hd0) /dev/hda (hd1) /dev/hdb > >What is hda? hda is a legacy drive. >Who deals with jumping to boot to the second HD to start grub? hda was an old running linux. I migrated to hdb. I still use the old drive but as second tier storage. -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 29 23:20:53 2008 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:20:53 -0500 Subject: how do I run fetchmail only if the laptop is connected?(ubuntu) In-Reply-To: <87zltjsct3.fsf-J4oS66wZXds@public.gmane.org> References: <87zltjsct3.fsf@magma.ca> Message-ID: <47C89355.6080805@ve3syb.ca> Peter Smerdon wrote: > However on my ubuntu laptop there is no such file /etc/network/ifstate, > I am not sure if it is because I am using NetworkManager or because it > simply does not exist in ubuntu. So, I just need to know how to tell if > either wlan0 or eth0 is up. Any advice? You could always parse the output of ifconfig for wlan0 and eth0. If you can't find the string "UP" in one of them, you don't have a network connection. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists