From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 1 05:23:42 2008 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 01:23:42 -0400 Subject: Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons In-Reply-To: <1206983615.16455.6.camel@tpt30> References: <47EBF764.5010605@telly.org> <1206894669.12875.20.camel@tpt30> <47F03730.4050401@utoronto.ca> <1206983615.16455.6.camel@tpt30> Message-ID: <20080401052342.GA29265@waltdnes.org> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 01:13:35PM -0400, Gary Walsh wrote > To tell you the truth, I probably use Midnight Commander for more > file management operations than any other file manager. Me too... and mostly in a real text console. Of course, it does help if one can set 34 or 40 rows in real textmode. And as for the GNOME/KDE bunfight... The Pox on Both Your Houses I don't run "desktops"; I run applications... you know... those pieces of software that actually do useful stuff. A desktop often gets in the way. With a 1920x1200 monitor and Blackbox, I'm perfectly happy. And I don't bother with multiple desktops either. Nothing more annoying than moving the mouse cursor out of the way... and KABOOM... all my applications disappear off the screen. Having said that, I tend to prefer the GNOME ***APPLICATIONS*** (Gimp, Gnumeric, Abiword) over the OpenOffice monstrosity, or KDEOffice. -- Walter Dnes Stop the Squeegee Kids in Pinstripe Suits Fight SAC's Canadian internet tax http://walterdnes.wordpress.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 1 23:20:48 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:20:48 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. Message-ID: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> I just received an interesting letter from Rogers. It seems they've started a new policy, where you're allowed to exceed a download limit (my limit is about 20x what I've been doing), but you get charged extra for it. They also send a notice when you approach and reach your limit, so you can take appropriate action. While I'm not keen on limits, it does beat the previous practice where someone could be cut for going over. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 02:53:36 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WestLUG Message-ID: <661794.41596.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sorting through handouts to be used at next week's IT360 show. Now, for the "about us" flier I was planning to recycle the text from flier that we used last year. There is one question, what do we (or do we not) say about WestLUG, which as far as I am able to tell has not been very active. Suggestions? Thanks. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 03:18:07 2008 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:18:07 -0400 Subject: WestLUG In-Reply-To: <661794.41596.qm-57gzaD/7YRGB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <661794.41596.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7ac602420804012018i1997f329gda22555854743428@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > Suggestions? I don't have any suggestions per se, but I would mention that I'm on their mailing list and it does get _some_ traffic. I only went to one meeting because I was only one of about eight people and, if I remember right, we spent most of the night talking about favourite distros, but I think they're trying to do what they can with what they have. Maybe you should post a request for suggestions to their list and see what you get back? Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 03:42:08 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 03:42:08 +0000 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <47F2C350.5040007-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> Great. Now if they weren't throttling traffic to death, reshaping packets, and all that other stuff, I might consider them :-) On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:20 PM, James Knott wrote: > I just received an interesting letter from Rogers. It seems they've > started a new policy, where you're allowed to exceed a download limit > (my limit is about 20x what I've been doing), but you get charged extra > for it. They also send a notice when you approach and reach your limit, > so you can take appropriate action. While I'm not keen on limits, it > does beat the previous practice where someone could be cut for going over. > > > -- > Use OpenOffice.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 06:27:18 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 02:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Tyler Aviss | Great. Now if they weren't throttling traffic to death, reshaping | packets, and all that other stuff, I might consider them :-) They started the trend. We lose. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 11:18:34 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:18:34 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> Tyler Aviss wrote: > Great. Now if they weren't throttling traffic to death, reshaping > packets, and all that other stuff, I might consider them :-) > Funny, I've been with Rogers for about a decade and they're been a far better ISP than Sympatico, which we use at work. I've had enough experience with Sympatico, helping out others, that I know I don't want to go with them. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 11:24:36 2008 From: erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Frank (Erebus)) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:24:36 -0400 Subject: WestLUG In-Reply-To: <7ac602420804012018i1997f329gda22555854743428-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <661794.41596.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7ac602420804012018i1997f329gda22555854743428@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F36CF4.4070404@rogers.com> WestTLUG still very much exists. Was at the regularly monthly meeting last night in fact. Frank in Mississauga -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 12:06:32 2008 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:06:32 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <47F36B8A.2060906-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> Message-ID: I concur; I can't love their policies overmuch, but at the end of the day I find the network performance outstanding. A brief trial with TekSavvy showed that DSL has nothing in cable. And this latest limitation -- 95 gb per month for me -- is about double my maximum use over the past three months. Rogers ain't perfect, but they're the best choice out there if you're looking for fast home interwebz. Cheers, Aaron (apologies for top-posting; it's this iPhone) Aaron Vegh, Principal Innoveghtive Inc. Office 647 477 2690 Cell 905 924 1220 On 2-Apr-08, at 7:18 AM, James Knott wrote: > Tyler Aviss wrote: >> Great. Now if they weren't throttling traffic to death, reshaping >> packets, and all that other stuff, I might consider them :-) >> > > Funny, I've been with Rogers for about a decade and they're been a > far better ISP than Sympatico, which we use at work. I've had > enough experience with Sympatico, helping out others, that I know I > don't want to go with them. > > > -- > Use OpenOffice.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 12:29:46 2008 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:29:46 -0400 Subject: Office OpenXML Gets Approval Message-ID: <47F37C3A.7020801@golden.net> Well deep pockets can buy you anything. BTW Canada voted no with comments. There was a Microsoft representative in the Canadian delegation. There are investigations going on in various countries due to voting irregularities. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080401133818372 http://www.iso.org/iso/pressrelease.htm?refid=Ref1123 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 12:46:51 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:46:51 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080402124651.GA21334@watson-wilson.ca> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 08:06:32AM -0400, Aaron Vegh wrote: > Rogers ain't perfect, but they're the best choice out there if you're > looking for fast home interwebz. I wouldn't go that far. Sure all ISPs suck and some just suck less than others. Let's not forget that with Rogers you can't have a static IP address and some of your inbound ports are filtered (e.g. 25). -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 13:00:19 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:00:19 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <20080402124651.GA21334-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> <20080402124651.GA21334@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Neil Watson wrote: > On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 08:06:32AM -0400, Aaron Vegh wrote: > > > Rogers ain't perfect, but they're the best choice out there if you're > looking for fast home interwebz. > > > > I wouldn't go that far. Sure all ISPs suck and some just suck less than > others. Let's not forget that with Rogers you can't have a static IP > address and some of your inbound ports are filtered (e.g. 25). Well, it seems that if you're not going through Rogers, you're pretty much certain to be getting filtered by Sympatico, since they're operating all of the ADSL. So there are only minor advantages to be had by picking a vendor; they're all almost nearly equally bad in the important ways, and differ only at the edges :-(. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 13:07:09 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:07:09 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <47F2C350.5040007-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080402130709.GB24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 07:20:48PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > I just received an interesting letter from Rogers. It seems they've > started a new policy, where you're allowed to exceed a download limit > (my limit is about 20x what I've been doing), but you get charged extra > for it. They also send a notice when you approach and reach your limit, > so you can take appropriate action. While I'm not keen on limits, it > does beat the previous practice where someone could be cut for going over. Well they also upped the speed on most of the plans, and downed the previous limit a bit (100GB went to 95GB). Apparently I tend to be in the 20 to 30GB range, so I guess my bittorrent settings are perfectly reasonable. They also say they charge per GB over the limit, up to $25, but fail to say what happens when you exceed $25 worth of overusage. Do they then cut you off and call you bad names, or do they just say "have fun for free". -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 13:07:49 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:07:49 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <47F36B8A.2060906-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080402130749.GC24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 07:18:34AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Funny, I've been with Rogers for about a decade and they're been a far > better ISP than Sympatico, which we use at work. I've had enough > experience with Sympatico, helping out others, that I know I don't want > to go with them. It doesn't take much to be better than sympatico. That still doesn't mean it's great. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 13:09:36 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:09:36 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> <20080402124651.GA21334@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20080402130936.GD24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 09:00:19AM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > Well, it seems that if you're not going through Rogers, you're pretty > much certain to be getting filtered by Sympatico, since they're > operating all of the ADSL. > > So there are only minor advantages to be had by picking a vendor; > they're all almost nearly equally bad in the important ways, and > differ only at the edges :-(. I currently wonder if Bell's new ADSL throttling applies only to PPPoE links or to plain bridged connections as well. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 13:14:32 2008 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:14:32 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <20080402124651.GA21334-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> <20080402124651.GA21334@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <4386c5b20804020614u67a8c675w689e7de87ea2565d@mail.gmail.com> > I wouldn't go that far. Sure all ISPs suck and some just suck less than > others. Let's not forget that with Rogers you can't have a static IP > address and some of your inbound ports are filtered (e.g. 25). Every ISP filters ports, it seems. There must be some survival technique in the industry. As for the lack of static IP, I'm decidedly untroubled by that: that's why I use DynDNS, and run the client on my WRT54G. Cheers, Aaron -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 13:14:42 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:14:42 -0400 Subject: Office OpenXML Gets Approval In-Reply-To: <47F37C3A.7020801-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <47F37C3A.7020801@golden.net> Message-ID: <20080402131442.GE24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 08:29:46AM -0400, John Myshrall wrote: > Well deep pockets can buy you anything. BTW Canada voted no with > comments. There was a Microsoft representative in the Canadian delegation. > > There are investigations going on in various countries due to voting > irregularities. > > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080401133818372 > > http://www.iso.org/iso/pressrelease.htm?refid=Ref1123 Personally I will treat this as yet another ISO standard that might as well not exist. Now I would have had no problem with Microsoft making a standard for document formats if they had even tried to do a good job. Including all their old bugs in a file format is just pathetic. If you are making a new format, make it simple and ellegant. They did the exact opposite. They put loads of old legacy garbage in there that should have been removed. You can't keep supporting your old bugs forever just because you are too lazy to write a proper converter. One of these days it would be nice to have a spreadsheet that does get leap years correct. And 6000 pages of documentation for the spec including references to various "windows functions" for parts of the implementation is just insane. How can you implement and varify compliance with such a mess? I think standards should be based on best practices, and whatever microsoft has been doing with office's file formats for many years is far from the best they could have done, it just happens to have been the easiest once they already screwed it up to begin with. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 13:16:21 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:16:21 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20804020614u67a8c675w689e7de87ea2565d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> <20080402124651.GA21334@watson-wilson.ca> <4386c5b20804020614u67a8c675w689e7de87ea2565d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080402131621.GF24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 09:14:32AM -0400, Aaron Vegh wrote: > Every ISP filters ports, it seems. There must be some survival > technique in the industry. As for the lack of static IP, I'm decidedly > untroubled by that: that's why I use DynDNS, and run the client on my > WRT54G. Some ISPs very explicitly do not filter ports. Some do sell static IPs, even blocks of /28s in some cases. They usually cost quite a bit less than Bell and Rogers too for the same or better service. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 13:19:57 2008 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:19:57 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <20080402131621.GF24238-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> <20080402124651.GA21334@watson-wilson.ca> <4386c5b20804020614u67a8c675w689e7de87ea2565d@mail.gmail.com> <20080402131621.GF24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4386c5b20804020619n5e9d28c0p351b3854dad0d3b@mail.gmail.com> > Some ISPs very explicitly do not filter ports. Some do sell static > IPs, even blocks of /28s in some cases. They usually cost quite a bit > less than Bell and Rogers too for the same or better service. I had this in mind when I wrote that: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Bell-Canada-Throttles-Wholesalers-Doesnt-Bother-To-Tell-Them-92915 If there are ISPs that are immune from this, I'm sure this list would like to know about them; my understanding has been that TekSavvy was the gold standard for indie ISPs, so if we can't rely on them for pure 'net, then who? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 13:28:34 2008 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:28:34 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <20080402130709.GB24238-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <20080402130709.GB24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47F38A02.3000209@dinamis.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 07:20:48PM -0400, James Knott wrote: >> I just received an interesting letter from Rogers. It seems they've >> started a new policy, where you're allowed to exceed a download limit >> (my limit is about 20x what I've been doing), but you get charged extra >> for it. They also send a notice when you approach and reach your limit, >> so you can take appropriate action. While I'm not keen on limits, it >> does beat the previous practice where someone could be cut for going over. > > Well they also upped the speed on most of the plans, and downed the > previous limit a bit (100GB went to 95GB). Rogers also reduced the upload rate on the Express plan, which I have, from 768k to 512k. Upload speed is a big issue for me as I often find myself uploading large files to various colocated servers. This amounts to a hidden price increase. Previously, the difference between "Extreme" and Express was not sufficiently large for me to bother because the "Extreme" (what a dumb name) was only something like 800k up. Their various plans make no sense. The "Extreme Plus" (another dumb name) plan is 18M down/1M up. That is such a ridiculous up/down ratio, not to mention that the whole point of having an 18M pipe is to be able to download lots of large files. That plan has the same 95GB "allowance" (Isn't Uncle Ted so generous and benevolent?) as the "Extreme" so what good is being able to download files faster if you have a cap that is the same as a plan with half the cost? -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 13:30:37 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:30:37 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <47F38A02.3000209-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <20080402130709.GB24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47F38A02.3000209@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20080402133037.GA23654@watson-wilson.ca> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 09:28:34AM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > (Isn't Uncle Ted so generous and benevolent?) as the "Extreme" so what > good is being able to download files faster if you have a cap that is > the same as a plan with half the cost? Plans don't have to make sense. They just have to make money. -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 13:54:27 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:54:27 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <47F38A02.3000209-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <20080402130709.GB24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47F38A02.3000209@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20080402135427.GG24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 09:28:34AM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Rogers also reduced the upload rate on the Express plan, which I have, > from 768k to 512k. Upload speed is a big issue for me as I often find > myself uploading large files to various colocated servers. This amounts > to a hidden price increase. Previously, the difference between "Extreme" > and Express was not sufficiently large for me to bother because the > "Extreme" (what a dumb name) was only something like 800k up. I hadn't noticed. Extreme has gone from 800k to 1M though. > Their various plans make no sense. The "Extreme Plus" (another dumb > name) plan is 18M down/1M up. That is such a ridiculous up/down ratio, > not to mention that the whole point of having an 18M pipe is to be able > to download lots of large files. That plan has the same 95GB "allowance" > (Isn't Uncle Ted so generous and benevolent?) as the "Extreme" so what > good is being able to download files faster if you have a cap that is > the same as a plan with half the cost? You get to spend less time waiting for your files but only get the same amount of files? No it doesn't make much sense to me either. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 14:07:07 2008 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:07:07 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <20080402124651.GA21334-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> <20080402124651.GA21334@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <47F3930B.1080609@dinamis.com> Neil Watson wrote: > On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 08:06:32AM -0400, Aaron Vegh wrote: >> Rogers ain't perfect, but they're the best choice out there if you're >> looking for fast home interwebz. > > I wouldn't go that far. Sure all ISPs suck and some just suck less than > others. Let's not forget that with Rogers you can't have a static IP > address and some of your inbound ports are filtered (e.g. 25). I don't care about port 25 being filtered. It is very easy to work around that and there is at least some justification for filtering that port. As for the static IP, every Rogers customer has a fully-qualified domain name, something like cpeXXXXXXX-cmXXXXXXX.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com. That is good enough for me to ssh to machines at home, which is all I really need. At the moment, Rogers is not throttling encrypted BT so I can download an ISO reasonably quickly. However, I believe that it is only a matter of time before they implement the same crap that Bell implemented and destroy network performance on all encrypted communications. That would have a very serious negative impact on my usage because I often have multiple ssh sessions to various servers. I think this is a prelude to charging for "business" usage to those people who depend on VPN connections. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 14:09:18 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:09:18 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <47F3930B.1080609-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> <20080402124651.GA21334@watson-wilson.ca> <47F3930B.1080609@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20080402140918.GA25089@watson-wilson.ca> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 10:07:07AM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > multiple ssh sessions to various servers. I think this is a prelude to > charging for "business" usage to those people who depend on VPN > connections. Wasn't this tried years ago by preventing or limiting VPN traffic? -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 14:05:55 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:05:55 -0400 Subject: 4GB memory Message-ID: <1f13df280804020705r2a5f14deub164ca1074d4722a@mail.gmail.com> The computer I mentioned earlier has arrived. Vista was rather ungenerous in repartitioning: the machine has a 320GB drive and Vista takes up 20GB but when asked to shrink the partition Vista would only allow that it could give up 135GB. Defragging didn't change that. If anyone has suggestions on this I'd be happy to hear them, but that's not my main reason for writing. I bought the machine with 4GB of memory (4 sticks of 1GB). I wasn't surprised to see Vista displaying 3.2GB, although it amuses me to no end that you need 2GB to run it decently and you can't use more than 3GB ... that's a pretty small window of opportunity. But I was surprised to find that Debian testing displays very much the same thing with "free", 3287MB even after I installed and booted kernel 2.6.24-1-686-bigmem. I didn't change any boot params, do I need to? "lshw" lists the motherboard as a "OFM586" made by "Dell," which doesn't sound right, and it does see the 4GB. The chipset is Intel. I'm hoping there's something fairly simple that I'm missing. I don't believe there's a limitation in the BIOS, I looked there. Any other suggestions welcome. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 14:15:33 2008 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:15:33 -0500 Subject: Office OpenXML Gets Approval In-Reply-To: <20080402131442.GE24238-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47F37C3A.7020801@golden.net> <20080402131442.GE24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1207145733.47f395051650b@mail.visibleassets.com> > I think standards should be based on best practices, and whatever > microsoft has been doing with office's file formats for many years is > far from the best they could have done, it just happens to have been the > easiest once they already screwed it up to begin with. Microsoft should legally be responsible for providing a fully functional converter from OOXML to other standards - otherwise, there would have really been no point in making OOXML a standard at all (considering that the first revision suggestion was just rejected because it was completely too vast). What's the point of having an international standard if the public can't fix it? For some reason, I can't foresee a fully functional converter ever materializing though - there will likely always be bugs - and those people that continue using Ms software will be forced sticking with their garbage format for fear of some compatibility issue that was never addressed. Major companies will probably also stick with MS formats for the same reason. The whole ISO / OOXML process was kind of a joke in my opinion. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 14:36:26 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:36:26 -0400 Subject: WestLUG In-Reply-To: <47F36CF4.4070404-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <661794.41596.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7ac602420804012018i1997f329gda22555854743428@mail.gmail.com> <47F36CF4.4070404@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47F399EA.6010505@rogers.com> Frank (Erebus) wrote: > WestTLUG still very much exists. Was at the regularly monthly meeting > last night in fact. > > Frank in Mississauga Where are the meetings these days? -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 14:39:56 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:39:56 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47F39ABC.1070901@rogers.com> Aaron Vegh wrote: > I concur; I can't love their policies overmuch, but at the end of the > day I find the network performance outstanding. A brief trial with > TekSavvy showed that DSL has nothing in cable. And this latest > limitation -- 95 gb per month for me -- is about double my maximum use > over the past three months. > > Rogers ain't perfect, but they're the best choice out there if you're > looking for fast home interwebz. Another advantage is that even though DHCP is used, the host names are permanent (based on computer & modem MAC addresses), so you can always find your way home from anywhere on the internet. Since it's a hard name to remember, I arranged for my own domain name and use an alias to point to that long name. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 14:42:13 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 4GB memory In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804020705r2a5f14deub164ca1074d4722a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804020705r2a5f14deub164ca1074d4722a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Giles Orr | Vista was rather | ungenerous in repartitioning: the machine has a 320GB drive and Vista | takes up 20GB but when asked to shrink the partition Vista would only | allow that it could give up 135GB. Defragging didn't change that. If | anyone has suggestions on this I'd be happy to hear them, but that's | not my main reason for writing. In the XP days, the swap file was unmoveable. You could turn off static swap file allocation and then defrag & shrink, then turn it on again. I don't know if this applies in the MS Vista era. I had to buy MS Vista recovery disks. I could not boot Vista for the first time (after owning the machine for ~5 months). Acer's one year warranty did not apply to Vista -- that was only 90 days (grrr). It turns out that under some conditions Vista won't boot if you fiddle with the MBR, which, of course, installing Linux does. I haven't got the measure of this problem. Perhaps it is only the first boot that won't work. | I bought the machine with 4GB of memory (4 sticks of 1GB). I wasn't | surprised to see Vista displaying 3.2GB, although it amuses me to no | end that you need 2GB to run it decently and you can't use more than | 3GB ... that's a pretty small window of opportunity. According to Wikipedia's article on PAE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension MS Vista SP1 can use PAE to get at all the memory. So install SP1. SP1 was not offered by Windows Update until I deleted the hungry-to-install-itself trial version of Norton Anti-something-or-other. Others find some drivers prevent SP1 from being offered. If you care, google. | But I was | surprised to find that Debian testing displays very much the same | thing with "free", 3287MB even after I installed and booted kernel | 2.6.24-1-686-bigmem. That is surprising. If you use dmesg you should see early on what the kernel thinks the physical memory blocks are. Here's from my machine: BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000000e7000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 000000003ffc0000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000003ffc0000 - 000000003ffd0000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 000000003ffd0000 - 0000000040000000 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec01000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fee01000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000ff7c0000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) I use x86-64 on my machines that can handle it. This hardly ever causes problems these days, at least in the Red Hat / Fedora / CentOS world. I admit that the advantages on a desktop are minor; sane large-memory handling is one of them. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 14:43:58 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:43:58 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <20080402124651.GA21334-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> <20080402124651.GA21334@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <47F39BAE.4070306@rogers.com> Neil Watson wrote: > On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 08:06:32AM -0400, Aaron Vegh wrote: >> Rogers ain't perfect, but they're the best choice out there if you're >> looking for fast home interwebz. > > I wouldn't go that far. Sure all ISPs suck and some just suck less than > others. Let's not forget that with Rogers you can't have a static IP > address and some of your inbound ports are filtered (e.g. 25). > while they use DHCP, the host name is static. Also, they have a 2nd address for sending mail from off the network, which I regularly use, such as now, from work. And of course, you can always use a VPN to pass anything. I use OpenVPN with excellent results. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 14:46:54 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:46:54 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> <20080402124651.GA21334@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <47F39C5E.9060001@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Neil Watson wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 08:06:32AM -0400, Aaron Vegh wrote: >> >>> Rogers ain't perfect, but they're the best choice out there if you're >> looking for fast home interwebz. >> I wouldn't go that far. Sure all ISPs suck and some just suck less than >> others. Let's not forget that with Rogers you can't have a static IP >> address and some of your inbound ports are filtered (e.g. 25). > > Well, it seems that if you're not going through Rogers, you're pretty > much certain to be getting filtered by Sympatico, since they're > operating all of the ADSL. > > So there are only minor advantages to be had by picking a vendor; > they're all almost nearly equally bad in the important ways, and > differ only at the edges :-(. Not quite so. While some resell Bell ADSL, others have their own DSLAM and may have an independent connection to the internet, so Bell can't touch them. Others may have their own DSLAM, but still connect to the internet via Bell. The problem is knowing who does what. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 14:14:02 2008 From: phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:14:02 -0400 Subject: A Dictionary API Message-ID: <20080402101402.5kx611t2osgck8o8@easymail.pathcom.com> I have an idea for a "word analysis" utility that I'd like to write, but I'm not sure what I can use as a dictionary. Browsing around my distribution, I see ispell, myspell, aspell, and rhyme all with some form of dictionary capability. However, none of these appear to have header files or 'dev' packages associated with them. Any suggestions of what exists for programming (, preferably with syllabification and soundex features)? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 14:49:56 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:49:56 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <20080402130709.GB24238-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <20080402130709.GB24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47F39D14.1000604@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 07:20:48PM -0400, James Knott wrote: >> I just received an interesting letter from Rogers. It seems they've >> started a new policy, where you're allowed to exceed a download limit >> (my limit is about 20x what I've been doing), but you get charged extra >> for it. They also send a notice when you approach and reach your limit, >> so you can take appropriate action. While I'm not keen on limits, it >> does beat the previous practice where someone could be cut for going over. > > Well they also upped the speed on most of the plans, and downed the > previous limit a bit (100GB went to 95GB). > > Apparently I tend to be in the 20 to 30GB range, so I guess my > bittorrent settings are perfectly reasonable. > > They also say they charge per GB over the limit, up to $25, but fail to > say what happens when you exceed $25 worth of overusage. Do they then > cut you off and call you bad names, or do they just say "have fun for > free". > I don't have that letter handy, but my understanding is that it's a maximum of $25. However, if someone has a habit of going well over, I suspect they might be contacted about getting a better plan. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 14:55:02 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:55:02 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <20080402130749.GC24238-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> <20080402130749.GC24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47F39E46.1050100@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 07:18:34AM -0400, James Knott wrote: >> Funny, I've been with Rogers for about a decade and they're been a far >> better ISP than Sympatico, which we use at work. I've had enough >> experience with Sympatico, helping out others, that I know I don't want >> to go with them. > > It doesn't take much to be better than sympatico. That still doesn't > mean it's great. > Well, I've been with Rogers for something in the vicinity of 10 years. My service has been rock solid, with very few interruptions and no serious problems, other than some email issues, when they switched email to Yahoo. Those problems have long since been resolved. Beyond that, if my TV has a signal, my cable modem likely does too. Incidentally, I had one extra benefit when I connected with them. In my condo, the TV outlet was at one end and my computer at the other. Rogers arranged for a contractor to run the cable almost the entire length of my long & narrow condo and when they did that, they also pulled in a couple of runs of CAT 5 for me. They did an excellent job and the only place where the cable is visible, is across the top of my laundry room, where it runs next to an air duct. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 14:59:24 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:59:24 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <20080402130936.GD24238-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> <20080402124651.GA21334@watson-wilson.ca> <20080402130936.GD24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47F39F4C.7090304@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 09:00:19AM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: >> Well, it seems that if you're not going through Rogers, you're pretty >> much certain to be getting filtered by Sympatico, since they're >> operating all of the ADSL. >> >> So there are only minor advantages to be had by picking a vendor; >> they're all almost nearly equally bad in the important ways, and >> differ only at the edges :-(. > > I currently wonder if Bell's new ADSL throttling applies only to PPPoE > links or to plain bridged connections as well. > I have never seen a bridged connection from them. It would certainly make my work easier, if some of my customers used that. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 15:04:45 2008 From: erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Frank (Erebus)) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:04:45 -0400 Subject: WestLUG In-Reply-To: <47F399EA.6010505-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <661794.41596.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7ac602420804012018i1997f329gda22555854743428@mail.gmail.com> <47F36CF4.4070404@rogers.com> <47F399EA.6010505@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47F3A08D.5020407@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > > Where are the meetings these days? Meetings are usually held at the Sheridan Campus in Oakville on the first Tuesday of the Month at 7-9 pm -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 15:04:52 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:04:52 -0400 Subject: 4GB memory In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df280804020705r2a5f14deub164ca1074d4722a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280804020804n72d693cueeeb8d699b158735@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:42 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > In the XP days, the swap file was unmoveable. You could turn off > static swap file allocation and then defrag & shrink, then turn it on > again. I don't know if this applies in the MS Vista era. I'll try that. Thanks. > I had to buy MS Vista recovery disks. I could not boot Vista for > the first time (after owning the machine for ~5 months). Acer's one > year warranty did not apply to Vista -- that was only 90 days (grrr). > It turns out that under some conditions Vista won't boot if you fiddle > with the MBR, which, of course, installing Linux does. I haven't got > the measure of this problem. Perhaps it is only the first boot that > won't work. It occurs to me that I haven't booted Vista since I let Debian/GRUB mess with the MBR ... I should probably do that. But Dell does seem to have provided Recovery disks. > | I bought the machine with 4GB of memory (4 sticks of 1GB). I wasn't > | surprised to see Vista displaying 3.2GB, although it amuses me to no > | end that you need 2GB to run it decently and you can't use more than > | 3GB ... that's a pretty small window of opportunity. > > According to Wikipedia's article on PAE > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension > MS Vista SP1 can use PAE to get at all the memory. So install SP1. SP1 has received such extraordinarily bad reviews that I think I'll wait: I'm not using Vista much (I haven't booted it since I installed Debian three or four days ago) so I'll let others work out the kinks on that one. > | But I was > | surprised to find that Debian testing displays very much the same > | thing with "free", 3287MB even after I installed and booted kernel > | 2.6.24-1-686-bigmem. > > That is surprising. If you use dmesg you should see early on what the > kernel thinks the physical memory blocks are. Here's from my machine: > BIOS-provided physical RAM map: > BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 (usable) > BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 00000000000e7000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 000000003ffc0000 (usable) > BIOS-e820: 000000003ffc0000 - 000000003ffd0000 (ACPI data) > BIOS-e820: 000000003ffd0000 - 0000000040000000 (ACPI NVS) > BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec01000 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fee01000 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 00000000ff7c0000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) That's ... nice, unfortunately I can't read it at all. You'll see below that my listing is very similar. Anyone who can read it feel free to comment ... > I use x86-64 on my machines that can handle it. This hardly ever > causes problems these days, at least in the Red Hat / Fedora / CentOS > world. I admit that the advantages on a desktop are minor; sane > large-memory handling is one of them. This may fall into the dumb question category ... but I should ask: the c2d and c2q processors are 64 bit, right? Aside from known issues like 32 bit Flash, is there any reason I shouldn't install 64 bit Debian? Here's a part of "dmesg" output: BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009e800 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000000009e800 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000000f0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 00000000cf590000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 00000000cf590000 - 00000000cf5e3000 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: 00000000cf5e3000 - 00000000cf5f0000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 00000000cf5f0000 - 00000000cf600000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000e0000000 - 00000000f0000000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) 2421MB HIGHMEM available. 896MB LOWMEM available. found SMP MP-table at 000f3f00 NX (Execute Disable) protection: active Entering add_active_range(0, 0, 849296) 0 entries of 256 used Zone PFN ranges: DMA 0 -> 4096 Normal 4096 -> 229376 HighMem 229376 -> 849296 Movable zone start PFN for each node early_node_map[1] active PFN ranges 0: 0 -> 849296 On node 0 totalpages: 849296 DMA zone: 32 pages used for memmap DMA zone: 0 pages reserved DMA zone: 4064 pages, LIFO batch:0 Normal zone: 1760 pages used for memmap Normal zone: 223520 pages, LIFO batch:31 HighMem zone: 4843 pages used for memmap HighMem zone: 615077 pages, LIFO batch:31 Movable zone: 0 pages used for memmap DMI 2.5 present. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 15:19:27 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:19:27 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <47F38A02.3000209-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <20080402130709.GB24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47F38A02.3000209@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <47F3A3FF.1070507@rogers.com> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 07:20:48PM -0400, James Knott wrote: >>> I just received an interesting letter from Rogers. It seems they've >>> started a new policy, where you're allowed to exceed a download limit >>> (my limit is about 20x what I've been doing), but you get charged >>> extra for it. They also send a notice when you approach and reach >>> your limit, so you can take appropriate action. While I'm not keen >>> on limits, it does beat the previous practice where someone could be >>> cut for going over. >> >> Well they also upped the speed on most of the plans, and downed the >> previous limit a bit (100GB went to 95GB). > > Rogers also reduced the upload rate on the Express plan, which I have, > from 768k to 512k. Upload speed is a big issue for me as I often find > myself uploading large files to various colocated servers. This amounts > to a hidden price increase. Previously, the difference between "Extreme" > and Express was not sufficiently large for me to bother because the > "Extreme" (what a dumb name) was only something like 800k up. > > Their various plans make no sense. The "Extreme Plus" (another dumb > name) plan is 18M down/1M up. That is such a ridiculous up/down ratio, > not to mention that the whole point of having an 18M pipe is to be able > to download lots of large files. That plan has the same 95GB "allowance" > (Isn't Uncle Ted so generous and benevolent?) as the "Extreme" so what > good is being able to download files faster if you have a cap that is > the same as a plan with half the cost? I have the Extreme, with 10 Mb down & 1 up. I think you'll find any provider has asymmetrical bandwidth, unless you buy dedicated DS1 or DS3 connections. In ADSL, upstream bandwidth is limited by how the frequency spectrum is divided and on cable, by contention issues. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 15:54:02 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:54:02 -0400 Subject: 4GB memory In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804020705r2a5f14deub164ca1074d4722a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804020705r2a5f14deub164ca1074d4722a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080402155402.GH24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 10:05:55AM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > The computer I mentioned earlier has arrived. Vista was rather > ungenerous in repartitioning: the machine has a 320GB drive and Vista > takes up 20GB but when asked to shrink the partition Vista would only > allow that it could give up 135GB. Defragging didn't change that. If > anyone has suggestions on this I'd be happy to hear them, but that's > not my main reason for writing. Partition magic and gparted can both work around that, as long as you then fix the boot sector with the recovery console afterwards (this means you have a real windows DVD, like either a real install disk or the upgrade anytime (or something) DVD). > I bought the machine with 4GB of memory (4 sticks of 1GB). I wasn't > surprised to see Vista displaying 3.2GB, although it amuses me to no > end that you need 2GB to run it decently and you can't use more than > 3GB ... that's a pretty small window of opportunity. But I was > surprised to find that Debian testing displays very much the same > thing with "free", 3287MB even after I installed and booted kernel > 2.6.24-1-686-bigmem. I didn't change any boot params, do I need to? > "lshw" lists the motherboard as a "OFM586" made by "Dell," which > doesn't sound right, and it does see the 4GB. The chipset is Intel. > I'm hoping there's something fairly simple that I'm missing. I don't > believe there's a limitation in the BIOS, I looked there. Any other > suggestions welcome. To get more than 3.2GB you need to enable remapping of the extra ram above 4GB (memory hoist or whatever they called it on some systems). Check the BIOS, it should have a setting for it on most systems. Now if it is a Dell, then there may not be a BIOS option since they aren't big on those. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 15:56:00 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:56:00 -0400 Subject: 4GB memory In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df280804020705r2a5f14deub164ca1074d4722a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080402155600.GI24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 10:42:13AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > In the XP days, the swap file was unmoveable. You could turn off > static swap file allocation and then defrag & shrink, then turn it on > again. I don't know if this applies in the MS Vista era. > > I had to buy MS Vista recovery disks. I could not boot Vista for > the first time (after owning the machine for ~5 months). Acer's one > year warranty did not apply to Vista -- that was only 90 days (grrr). > It turns out that under some conditions Vista won't boot if you fiddle > with the MBR, which, of course, installing Linux does. I haven't got > the measure of this problem. Perhaps it is only the first boot that > won't work. > > According to Wikipedia's article on PAE > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension > MS Vista SP1 can use PAE to get at all the memory. So install SP1. > > SP1 was not offered by Windows Update until I deleted the > hungry-to-install-itself trial version of Norton > Anti-something-or-other. Others find some drivers prevent SP1 from > being offered. If you care, google. > > That is surprising. If you use dmesg you should see early on what the > kernel thinks the physical memory blocks are. Here's from my machine: > BIOS-provided physical RAM map: > BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 (usable) > BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 00000000000e7000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 000000003ffc0000 (usable) > BIOS-e820: 000000003ffc0000 - 000000003ffd0000 (ACPI data) > BIOS-e820: 000000003ffd0000 - 0000000040000000 (ACPI NVS) > BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec01000 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fee01000 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 00000000ff7c0000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) > > I use x86-64 on my machines that can handle it. This hardly ever > causes problems these days, at least in the Red Hat / Fedora / CentOS > world. I admit that the advantages on a desktop are minor; sane > large-memory handling is one of them. That clearly shows that the BIOS is NOT mapping the extra ram above 4GB so PAE and the like won't help. The BIOS has to first do the right thing before any OS can use the remaining ram. Some intel chipsets are incapable of remapping so there is nothing that can be done in that case. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 16:03:39 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:03:39 -0400 Subject: 4GB memory In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804020804n72d693cueeeb8d699b158735-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804020705r2a5f14deub164ca1074d4722a@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280804020804n72d693cueeeb8d699b158735@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080402160339.GJ24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 11:04:52AM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > It occurs to me that I haven't booted Vista since I let Debian/GRUB > mess with the MBR ... I should probably do that. But Dell does seem > to have provided Recovery disks. Yes Dell seems to have decided to include real DVDs for Vista. > SP1 has received such extraordinarily bad reviews that I think I'll > wait: I'm not using Vista much (I haven't booted it since I installed > Debian three or four days ago) so I'll let others work out the kinks > on that one. My wife is quite happy with SP1 on her machine. No problems at all. Some things do seem to work faster for file transfers and such now. Wifi seems more reliable too. > > BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 (usable) > > BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) > > BIOS-e820: 00000000000e7000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) > > BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 000000003ffc0000 (usable) > > BIOS-e820: 000000003ffc0000 - 000000003ffd0000 (ACPI data) > > BIOS-e820: 000000003ffd0000 - 0000000040000000 (ACPI NVS) > > BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec01000 (reserved) > > BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fee01000 (reserved) > > BIOS-e820: 00000000ff7c0000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) > > That's ... nice, unfortunately I can't read it at all. You'll see > below that my listing is very similar. Anyone who can read it feel > free to comment ... It's a list of start and end addresses and what their type is. A machine with 4GB ram should have some memory starting at 4GB so something like: BIOS-e820: 0000000100000000 - 0000000037142000 (usable) So starting at 4GB to somewhere at 4.8GB should be usable ram. My number is just a random guess at what an address for .8GB might be. > This may fall into the dumb question category ... but I should ask: > the c2d and c2q processors are 64 bit, right? Aside from known issues > like 32 bit Flash, is there any reason I shouldn't install 64 bit > Debian? Yes they are 64. I can't think of a reason not to go 64bit these days. > Here's a part of "dmesg" output: > > BIOS-provided physical RAM map: > > BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009e800 (usable) > > BIOS-e820: 000000000009e800 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) > > BIOS-e820: 00000000000f0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) > > BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 00000000cf590000 (usable) > > BIOS-e820: 00000000cf590000 - 00000000cf5e3000 (ACPI NVS) > > BIOS-e820: 00000000cf5e3000 - 00000000cf5f0000 (ACPI data) > > BIOS-e820: 00000000cf5f0000 - 00000000cf600000 (reserved) > > BIOS-e820: 00000000e0000000 - 00000000f0000000 (reserved) > > BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) You do NOT have an ram starting at the 4GB mark, so nothing was remapped, and hence the ram hidden behind the PCI and BIOS areas is unusable. If the BIOS remapped it then it would appear starting at the 4GB mark. So your problem is the BIOS or possibly the chipset, but most likely just the BIOS. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 16:05:58 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:05:58 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <47F39D14.1000604-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <20080402130709.GB24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47F39D14.1000604@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080402160558.GK24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 10:49:56AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > I don't have that letter handy, but my understanding is that it's a > maximum of $25. However, if someone has a habit of going well over, I > suspect they might be contacted about getting a better plan. None of their plans offer more than 95GB though. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 16:12:40 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:12:40 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <47F39F4C.7090304-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> <20080402124651.GA21334@watson-wilson.ca> <20080402130936.GD24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47F39F4C.7090304@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080402161240.GL24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 10:59:24AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > I have never seen a bridged connection from them. It would certainly > make my work easier, if some of my customers used that. For example if you go to www.teksavvy.com you have the choices: High Speed DSL = Normal DSL on a normal working phone line Costs $30 to $40 for 5M/800k Dry-Loop DSL = Normal DSL on a inactive phone line Costs $30 to $40 for 5M/800k + $7.25 up to $25.10 band rate (depending on your location). ADSL (Non - PPPOE) = ADSL without PPPoE (bridged only, so full 1500MTU). Costs $99 for 6M/800k with 1 static IP (/30 subnet) + $250 activation No username/password needed for connecting either, since it's just a connection. Setup your static IP and default gateway and you are ready. Some providers offer it. Many don't since most people won't pay that much. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 16:13:00 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:13:00 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <20080402140918.GA25089-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> <20080402124651.GA21334@watson-wilson.ca> <47F3930B.1080609@dinamis.com> <20080402140918.GA25089@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <47F3B08C.5020705@rogers.com> Neil Watson wrote: > On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 10:07:07AM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: >> multiple ssh sessions to various servers. I think this is a prelude >> to charging for "business" usage to those people who depend on VPN >> connections. > > Wasn't this tried years ago by preventing or limiting VPN traffic? > I haven't noticed that. I'm on Rogers and often use OpenVPN to reach my home network and, on occasion, use PPTP, to reach my company's network from home. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 16:13:59 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:13:59 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <47F3930B.1080609-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804012042g25e85fc2naf204ed2eb0b9ce5@mail.gmail.com> <47F36B8A.2060906@rogers.com> <20080402124651.GA21334@watson-wilson.ca> <47F3930B.1080609@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20080402161359.GM24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 10:07:07AM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > I don't care about port 25 being filtered. It is very easy to work > around that and there is at least some justification for filtering that > port. As for the static IP, every Rogers customer has a fully-qualified > domain name, something like > cpeXXXXXXX-cmXXXXXXX.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com. That is good enough for > me to ssh to machines at home, which is all I really need. > > At the moment, Rogers is not throttling encrypted BT so I can download > an ISO reasonably quickly. However, I believe that it is only a matter > of time before they implement the same crap that Bell implemented and > destroy network performance on all encrypted communications. That would > have a very serious negative impact on my usage because I often have > multiple ssh sessions to various servers. I think this is a prelude to > charging for "business" usage to those people who depend on VPN connections. I know of people that have asked rogers for business service and been told that they can only order that if they are in a location zoned for business. So people have offered to pay extra for it and been told that isn't an option either. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 16:20:27 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:20:27 -0400 Subject: New at Rogers. In-Reply-To: <20080402160558.GK24238-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47F2C350.5040007@rogers.com> <20080402130709.GB24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47F39D14.1000604@rogers.com> <20080402160558.GK24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47F3B24B.9000601@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 10:49:56AM -0400, James Knott wrote: >> I don't have that letter handy, but my understanding is that it's a >> maximum of $25. However, if someone has a habit of going well over, I >> suspect they might be contacted about getting a better plan. > > None of their plans offer more than 95GB though. > I wonder what they have to offer on the business side of things. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 17:24:39 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:24:39 -0400 Subject: 4GB memory In-Reply-To: <20080402160339.GJ24238-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804020705r2a5f14deub164ca1074d4722a@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280804020804n72d693cueeeb8d699b158735@mail.gmail.com> <20080402160339.GJ24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1f13df280804021024x6242eeb0g13d8846393083d63@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > It's a list of start and end addresses and what their type is. A > machine with 4GB ram should have some memory starting at 4GB so > something like: > > BIOS-e820: 0000000100000000 - 0000000037142000 (usable) > > So starting at 4GB to somewhere at 4.8GB should be usable ram. My > number is just a random guess at what an address for .8GB might be. This is completely counterintuitive to me - it seems you're saying "a machine with 4GB of RAM should show/have 4.8GB RAM." Can you help me with that? -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 18:06:07 2008 From: tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (Tim Tisdall) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:06:07 -0400 Subject: 4GB memory In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804020705r2a5f14deub164ca1074d4722a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804020705r2a5f14deub164ca1074d4722a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure if this will help in your situation, but this worked for me... I have my 'installation disc' of Vista as a recovery partition on the drive. I wiped off the main partition to put Linux on it, but then later decided to dual boot. I partitioned the drive using a Linux boot disc and was surprised to find that the recovery partition allowed me to select which partition to write Vista to. I think I put it on a partition with 20-30 gb. Of course, this required that I delete the Vista partition first... On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Giles Orr wrote: > The computer I mentioned earlier has arrived. Vista was rather > ungenerous in repartitioning: the machine has a 320GB drive and Vista > takes up 20GB but when asked to shrink the partition Vista would only > allow that it could give up 135GB. Defragging didn't change that. If > anyone has suggestions on this I'd be happy to hear them, but that's > not my main reason for writing. > > I bought the machine with 4GB of memory (4 sticks of 1GB). I wasn't > surprised to see Vista displaying 3.2GB, although it amuses me to no > end that you need 2GB to run it decently and you can't use more than > 3GB ... that's a pretty small window of opportunity. But I was > surprised to find that Debian testing displays very much the same > thing with "free", 3287MB even after I installed and booted kernel > 2.6.24-1-686-bigmem. I didn't change any boot params, do I need to? > "lshw" lists the motherboard as a "OFM586" made by "Dell," which > doesn't sound right, and it does see the 4GB. The chipset is Intel. > I'm hoping there's something fairly simple that I'm missing. I don't > believe there's a limitation in the BIOS, I looked there. Any other > suggestions welcome. > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 2 20:02:39 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:02:39 -0400 Subject: 4GB memory In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804021024x6242eeb0g13d8846393083d63-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804020705r2a5f14deub164ca1074d4722a@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280804020804n72d693cueeeb8d699b158735@mail.gmail.com> <20080402160339.GJ24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1f13df280804021024x6242eeb0g13d8846393083d63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080402200239.GN24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 01:24:39PM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > This is completely counterintuitive to me - it seems you're saying "a > machine with 4GB of RAM should show/have 4.8GB RAM." Can you help me > with that? It should show: 640KB at address 0 3.2GB at address 1MB 800MB at address 4GB. The 3.2GB to 4GB area is used by PCI so you can't access any ram in that region. The part at 640k to 1MB is reserved for BIOS, VGA, and other legacy PC stuff. The 3.2GB to 4GB range is reserved for PCI in the same way as the legacy stuff was. PCI is normally 32bit and hence needs to live in the first 32bit of address space, so hence must be below 4GB. The bit at 4GB is remapped by the hardware from 3.2GB, but the BIOS has to enable the remapping and the chipset has to support remapping in the first place. The ram that is mapped above 4GB is only accessable by PAE or 64bit enabled operating systems, and also can't be used for DMA busmastering by PCI (since it only does 32bit addresses) unless the system has an iommu for mapping the >4GB addresses to reserved addresses in the PCI range for the DMA transfer. Most AMD 64bit CPUs have an IOMMU, and a lot of newer intel chipsets have it too (it's part of the memory controller hence why AMD depends on the CPU and intel depends on the chipset). Earlier AMD systems could sometimes use the AGPGART as an IOMMU if it wasn't needed for anything else. If the system doesn't have an IOMMU the linux kernel fakes one in software using bounce buffers (causing an extra copy from ram to ram to take place of course). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 3 14:39:22 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:39:22 -0400 Subject: Xen koans Message-ID: <20080403143922.GA3753@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I have some basic questions about running a virtual machine inside of Xen. How do you direct network traffic to the virtual machine? Can the VM share data with the host OS? How does crash recovery work? Is running virtual machines in Xen (or other) worth the hassle? Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 3 15:42:03 2008 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:42:03 -0400 Subject: Xen koans In-Reply-To: <20080403143922.GA3753-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20080403143922.GA3753@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <7ac602420804030842j3ae7c878w2deac9d198424e34@mail.gmail.com> I've only had Xen up for a short time, it was a while ago, and then I decided I wanted the full utility of my nVidia video card, so I got rid of it. However, I did go to see a presentation at NewTLUG from the guy who always organizes them (can't remember his name, but I think he's an IBMer--great presenter, too). Anyway, with caveats in mind, here are my answers. On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:39 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > How do you direct network traffic to the virtual machine? Same way you would any other machine on your network. IIRC, Xen can configure its guests two ways: a virtual NAT behind the host machine's IP, or as a whole bunch of peers on the network with their own IPs. In the NAT case, the VMs are in a subnet and the host is their gateway. In the bridged case, the host and all the guests all have IPs on the host's local network and the host's physical network card handles all the traffic. I think the default situation is bridged mode. > Can the VM share data with the host OS? When you say "share data", I assume you mean share files in a filesystem. If you mean directly, then I _think_ the answer is no, but you _can_ share data over any of the usual networked filesystems (SAMBA, NFS, etc.). > How does crash recovery work? Dunno. > Is running virtual machines in Xen (or other) worth the hassle? That's one of those questions where the answer depends a lot on what you're doing and why. I found Xen to be a bigger hassle than, say, VMWare Server, because it was still so raw and, relative to VMWare Server, had a very unpolished UI. VMWare Server is remarkably easy to use (and usually to install, too), so the hassle there is quite small. The biggest benefit I've personally experienced from a virtualized environment was when a server I was partially responsible for administering was cracked (I had foolishly left sshd running with an account with a weak password, and it was compromised by a dictionary attack). The other guy responsible for administering the VM was responsible for all the other machines on that network and he regularly made backups of the various VM images they had running. Recovering from the break-in was a simple matter of restoring the VM image and "rebooting". It took about 30 minutes because I wanted to check some things before going live again, but I think that's faster than a full system recovery would have been if I had to do it the usual way. I think people running datacenters usually find virtualization to be "worth it" because it usually - reduces costs for things like hardware, electricity, physical space, etc. - allows you to administer an entire server farm from a single console (including tasks like rebooting, re-installing the OS, etc.) regardless of guest OS - uses the resources of your servers more effectively - makes it easier to provide a hot spare for a critical server (if you have two hosts connected to a SAN, you can usually transfer a VM from one host to the other with as little as zero down time) On the other hand, virtualization introduces a new variety of potential performance problems. I've heard it said that your database server(s) should be on physical machines with access to real, physical, fast disks because the IO contention in a virtualized environment can apparently play havoc with the DB's performance. I don't have any personal experience with this matter, but the argument seems plausible. I guess my answer to this last question is "it depends". Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sutherland_rob-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 3 15:45:29 2008 From: sutherland_rob-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux/FreeBSD network troubleshooter wanted Message-ID: <880145.7937.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> If you're anywhere near Whitby or willing to make a trip out here and have solid network troubleshooting experience, we'd like to hear from you. We have 1 or two days work available troubleshooting some setup problems with a network involving a Sonicwall firewall and a mixture of FreeBSD and CENTOS boxen. Rob Rob Sutherland 'What did the zero say to the eight?' ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 3 16:07:49 2008 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:07:49 -0400 Subject: Anyone using php_serial.class.php with USB serial port? Message-ID: <1207238869.5474.148.camel@jims-laptop> Hello, I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions for me. I am trying to use the php serial class with a usb to serial adapter. The device is recognized as /dev/ttyUSB0 . I can't use this with the serial class without getting an error. Warning: Specified serial port is not valid in /usr/share/php/php_serial.class.php on line 111 I also tried creating a symbolic link to /dev/ttyS4 thinking maybe it only recognizes traditional serial ports. I can use either this symbolic link or /dev/ttyUSB0 with a terminal program like gtkterm but I keep getting the above error when I try using the php serial class with $serial->deviceSet("/dev/ttyS4"); or $serial->deviceSet("/dev/USB0"); Anyone have any ideas how I can get this to work. Thanks a lot. Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 3 16:38:09 2008 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:38:09 -0400 Subject: Xen koans In-Reply-To: <20080403143922.GA3753-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20080403143922.GA3753@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <47F507F1.8010008@dinamis.com> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I have some basic questions about running a virtual machine inside of > Xen. I have been running it in a hosting environment since 2005. At the time, it was a bear to set up only because there were no official packages for the distro I was using but it is quite a bit simpler today. Lately, I have been experimenting with OpenVZ. It was considerably easier to install and configure but it is not the same thing as Xen or VMWare at all. OpenVZ is more like a fortified chroot. > How do you direct network traffic to the virtual machine? Bridging or NAT. I use bridging. > Can the VM share data with the host OS? When a VM is running, you have to use the usual methods for sharing files, no different than sharing files between physical machines. That includes the possibility of using a SAN or some distributed filesystem. Once a VM has been shut down, you have the option of mounting the partitions that are used by the VM somewhere and copying files to and from the filesystem of the VM. > How does crash recovery work? Very well. You can log in to dom0, the Xen hypervisor, and control the virtual machines quite easily. You could think of the dom0 as a poor man's KVM over IP for all the virtual machines. I can reboot the virtual machine and see boot time messages in the domU's. > Is running virtual machines in Xen (or other) worth the hassle? It depends on what you want. I think it is quite worthwhile because it enables me to virtualize the underlying hardware and migrate virtual servers from one physical server to another with very little fuss. Xen is very lightweight. I only have 64M allocated to the dom0 and have never had any problems with resource exhaustion in the dom0. I have found that even if one of the load average on one of the virtual machines is very high, the dom0 remains responsive so issuing an "xm shutdown somemachine" is perfectly feasible. I have not had to do that very often but the few times that I did, it proved to be invaluable. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 3 17:41:11 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:41:11 -0400 Subject: Anyone using php_serial.class.php with USB serial port? In-Reply-To: <1207238869.5474.148.camel@jims-laptop> References: <1207238869.5474.148.camel@jims-laptop> Message-ID: <20080403174111.GO24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 12:07:49PM -0400, jim wrote: > Hello, > I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions for me. I am trying to use > the php serial class with a usb to serial adapter. The device is > recognized > as /dev/ttyUSB0 . I can't use this with the serial class without getting > an error. > Warning: Specified serial port is not valid > in /usr/share/php/php_serial.class.php on line 111 > > I also tried creating a symbolic link to /dev/ttyS4 thinking maybe it > only recognizes traditional serial ports. I can use either > this symbolic link or /dev/ttyUSB0 with a terminal program like gtkterm > but I keep getting the above error when I try using the php serial class > with > $serial->deviceSet("/dev/ttyS4"); or $serial->deviceSet("/dev/USB0"); > Anyone have any ideas how I can get this to work. Thanks a lot. Does it work with a non USB serial port? Looking at the code for the class (which has many misspelled words and really isn't very well commented), it looks like the problem is running this command: stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 If it returns 0 then it says it is a valid port and otherwise it does not. Try running it and then check the return code (echo $?) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 3 18:24:21 2008 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:24:21 -0400 Subject: Anyone using php_serial.class.php with USB serial port? In-Reply-To: <20080403174111.GO24238-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1207238869.5474.148.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403174111.GO24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1207247061.5474.197.camel@jims-laptop> > > Hello, > > I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions for me. I am trying to use > > the php serial class with a usb to serial adapter. The device is > > recognized > > as /dev/ttyUSB0 . I can't use this with the serial class without getting > > an error. > > Warning: Specified serial port is not valid > > in /usr/share/php/php_serial.class.php on line 111 > > > > I also tried creating a symbolic link to /dev/ttyS4 thinking maybe it > > only recognizes traditional serial ports. I can use either > > this symbolic link or /dev/ttyUSB0 with a terminal program like gtkterm > > but I keep getting the above error when I try using the php serial class > > with > > $serial->deviceSet("/dev/ttyS4"); or $serial->deviceSet("/dev/USB0"); > > Anyone have any ideas how I can get this to work. Thanks a lot. > > Does it work with a non USB serial port? > > Looking at the code for the class (which has many misspelled words and > really isn't very well commented), it looks like the problem is running > this command: > > stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 > > If it returns 0 then it says it is a valid port and otherwise it does > not. Try running it and then check the return code (echo $?) Thanks for the help. Below is the output of the command. ~$ stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 speed 9600 baud; line = 0; min = 1; time = 0; ignbrk -brkint -icrnl -imaxbel -opost -onlcr -isig -icanon -iexten -echo -echoe -echok -echoctl -echoke Does this help shed light on things? Jim > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 3 18:27:49 2008 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:27:49 -0400 Subject: Anyone using php_serial.class.php with USB serial port? In-Reply-To: <1207247061.5474.197.camel@jims-laptop> References: <1207238869.5474.148.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403174111.GO24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207247061.5474.197.camel@jims-laptop> Message-ID: <1207247269.5474.200.camel@jims-laptop> : > > > Hello, > > > I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions for me. I am trying to use > > > the php serial class with a usb to serial adapter. The device is > > > recognized > > > as /dev/ttyUSB0 . I can't use this with the serial class without getting > > > an error. > > > Warning: Specified serial port is not valid > > > in /usr/share/php/php_serial.class.php on line 111 > > > > > > I also tried creating a symbolic link to /dev/ttyS4 thinking maybe it > > > only recognizes traditional serial ports. I can use either > > > this symbolic link or /dev/ttyUSB0 with a terminal program like gtkterm > > > but I keep getting the above error when I try using the php serial class > > > with > > > $serial->deviceSet("/dev/ttyS4"); or $serial->deviceSet("/dev/USB0"); > > > Anyone have any ideas how I can get this to work. Thanks a lot. > > > > Does it work with a non USB serial port? > > > > Looking at the code for the class (which has many misspelled words and > > really isn't very well commented), it looks like the problem is running > > this command: > > > > stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 > > > > If it returns 0 then it says it is a valid port and otherwise it does > > not. Try running it and then check the return code (echo $?) > > Thanks for the help. Below is the output of the command. > ~$ stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 > speed 9600 baud; line = 0; > min = 1; time = 0; > ignbrk -brkint -icrnl -imaxbel > -opost -onlcr > -isig -icanon -iexten -echo -echoe -echok -echoctl -echoke > > Does this help shed light on things? Sorry forgot to add error code is 0 . Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 3 18:57:52 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: IT360 - Volunteer List Message-ID: <343480.67203.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Below you will see a list of the people who have expressed interest in volunteering in some capacity at the IT360 trade show. I will be sending out a separate e-mail to everyone below with the most recent e-mail I have for each person noted. If you don't get said e-mail by end of today, drop me a note. Further if you want to volunteer, and don't see your name below, please send me an e-mail. Thanks. Colin McGregor -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Braithwaite, Myles Browne, Chris Cheah, Meng Chillcott, Gordon Collier-Brown, David de Boer, Anthony Duncan, Bill Frey, Ivan Avery Frey Kubik, Joseph McGregor, Colin Park, William Pikul, Jeffrey Richard, Simone Richter, Herb Sullivan, Drew Weatherill, Amos H. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 3 19:15:14 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:15:14 -0400 Subject: 4GB memory In-Reply-To: <20080402155402.GH24238-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804020705r2a5f14deub164ca1074d4722a@mail.gmail.com> <20080402155402.GH24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0804031215s4c749d31g66ef89ef80aafbde@mail.gmail.com> I think most knoppix discs come with QTParted. I used to use that with quite a lot of success when resizing NTFS/FAT32 partitions. On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 10:05:55AM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > > The computer I mentioned earlier has arrived. Vista was rather > > ungenerous in repartitioning: the machine has a 320GB drive and Vista > > takes up 20GB but when asked to shrink the partition Vista would only > > allow that it could give up 135GB. Defragging didn't change that. If > > anyone has suggestions on this I'd be happy to hear them, but that's > > not my main reason for writing. > > Partition magic and gparted can both work around that, as long as you > then fix the boot sector with the recovery console afterwards (this > means you have a real windows DVD, like either a real install disk or > the upgrade anytime (or something) DVD). > > > > I bought the machine with 4GB of memory (4 sticks of 1GB). I wasn't > > surprised to see Vista displaying 3.2GB, although it amuses me to no > > end that you need 2GB to run it decently and you can't use more than > > 3GB ... that's a pretty small window of opportunity. But I was > > surprised to find that Debian testing displays very much the same > > thing with "free", 3287MB even after I installed and booted kernel > > 2.6.24-1-686-bigmem. I didn't change any boot params, do I need to? > > "lshw" lists the motherboard as a "OFM586" made by "Dell," which > > doesn't sound right, and it does see the 4GB. The chipset is Intel. > > I'm hoping there's something fairly simple that I'm missing. I don't > > believe there's a limitation in the BIOS, I looked there. Any other > > suggestions welcome. > > To get more than 3.2GB you need to enable remapping of the extra ram > above 4GB (memory hoist or whatever they called it on some systems). > Check the BIOS, it should have a setting for it on most systems. > > Now if it is a Dell, then there may not be a BIOS option since they > aren't big on those. :) > > -- > Len Sorensen > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 3 19:26:32 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:26:32 -0400 Subject: Anyone using php_serial.class.php with USB serial port? In-Reply-To: <1207247061.5474.197.camel@jims-laptop> References: <1207238869.5474.148.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403174111.GO24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207247061.5474.197.camel@jims-laptop> Message-ID: <20080403192632.GP24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 02:24:21PM -0400, jim wrote: > Thanks for the help. Below is the output of the command. > ~$ stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 > speed 9600 baud; line = 0; > min = 1; time = 0; > ignbrk -brkint -icrnl -imaxbel > -opost -onlcr > -isig -icanon -iexten -echo -echoe -echok -echoctl -echoke > > Does this help shed light on things? Only if you also run 'echo $?' right after it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 3 19:27:05 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:27:05 -0400 Subject: Anyone using php_serial.class.php with USB serial port? In-Reply-To: <1207247269.5474.200.camel@jims-laptop> References: <1207238869.5474.148.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403174111.GO24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207247061.5474.197.camel@jims-laptop> <1207247269.5474.200.camel@jims-laptop> Message-ID: <20080403192705.GQ24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 02:27:49PM -0400, jim wrote: > > Thanks for the help. Below is the output of the command. > > ~$ stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 > > speed 9600 baud; line = 0; > > min = 1; time = 0; > > ignbrk -brkint -icrnl -imaxbel > > -opost -onlcr > > -isig -icanon -iexten -echo -echoe -echok -echoctl -echoke > > > > Does this help shed light on things? > > Sorry forgot to add error code is 0 . Could you attach the php_serial.class.php file you are using? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 3 19:27:41 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:27:41 -0400 Subject: 4GB memory In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0804031215s4c749d31g66ef89ef80aafbde-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804020705r2a5f14deub164ca1074d4722a@mail.gmail.com> <20080402155402.GH24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef0804031215s4c749d31g66ef89ef80aafbde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080403192741.GR24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 03:15:14PM -0400, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I think most knoppix discs come with QTParted. I used to use that with > quite a lot of success when resizing NTFS/FAT32 partitions. The parted site has a livecd with gparted that is usually very up to date (something that can't be said for knoppix lately). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 3 19:41:54 2008 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:41:54 -0400 Subject: Anyone using php_serial.class.php with USB serial port? In-Reply-To: <20080403192705.GQ24238-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1207238869.5474.148.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403174111.GO24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207247061.5474.197.camel@jims-laptop> <1207247269.5474.200.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403192705.GQ24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1207251714.5474.234.camel@jims-laptop> > > > Thanks for the help. Below is the output of the command. > > > ~$ stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 > > > speed 9600 baud; line = 0; > > > min = 1; time = 0; > > > ignbrk -brkint -icrnl -imaxbel > > > -opost -onlcr > > > -isig -icanon -iexten -echo -echoe -echok -echoctl -echoke > > > > > > Does this help shed light on things? > > > > Sorry forgot to add error code is 0 . > > Could you attach the php_serial.class.php file you are using? Below is the file I'm using to try to get it to work. Attached is the class file. deviceSet("/dev/USB0"); $serial->confBaudRate(9600); //Baud rate: 9600 $serial->confParity("none"); //Parity (this is the "N" in "8-N-1") $serial->confCharacterLength(8); //Character length (this is the "8" in "8-N-1") $serial->confStopBits(1); //Stop bits (this is the "1" in "8-N-1") // Then we need to open it $serial->deviceOpen(); // To write into $serial->sendMessage("Hello !"); } ?> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: php_serial.class.php Type: application/x-php Size: 12677 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 3 19:45:49 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:45:49 -0400 Subject: Anyone using php_serial.class.php with USB serial port? In-Reply-To: <1207251714.5474.234.camel@jims-laptop> References: <1207238869.5474.148.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403174111.GO24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207247061.5474.197.camel@jims-laptop> <1207247269.5474.200.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403192705.GQ24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207251714.5474.234.camel@jims-laptop> Message-ID: <20080403194549.GS24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 03:41:54PM -0400, jim wrote: > Below is the file I'm using to try to get it to work. Attached is the > class file. > > include "php_serial.class.php"; > > > { > // Let's start the class > $serial = new phpSerial; > > // First we must specify the device. This works on both linux and > windows (if > // your linux serial device is /dev/ttyS0 for COM1, etc) > $serial->deviceSet("/dev/USB0"); Should that be /dev/ttyUSB0 perhaps? I have never seen a system name it /dev/USB0. > $serial->confBaudRate(9600); //Baud rate: 9600 > $serial->confParity("none"); //Parity (this is the "N" in "8-N-1") > $serial->confCharacterLength(8); //Character length (this is the "8" in > "8-N-1") > $serial->confStopBits(1); //Stop bits (this is the "1" in "8-N-1") > > // Then we need to open it > $serial->deviceOpen(); > > // To write into > $serial->sendMessage("Hello !"); > > > > } > > > ?> > I see no other issue that would explain the problem. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 3 20:03:21 2008 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:03:21 -0400 Subject: Anyone using php_serial.class.php with USB serial port? In-Reply-To: <20080403194549.GS24238-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1207238869.5474.148.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403174111.GO24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207247061.5474.197.camel@jims-laptop> <1207247269.5474.200.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403192705.GQ24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207251714.5474.234.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403194549.GS24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1207253001.5474.239.camel@jims-laptop> > > Below is the file I'm using to try to get it to work. Attached is the > > class file. > > > > > include "php_serial.class.php"; > > > > > > { > > // Let's start the class > > $serial = new phpSerial; > > > > // First we must specify the device. This works on both linux and > > windows (if > > // your linux serial device is /dev/ttyS0 for COM1, etc) > > $serial->deviceSet("/dev/USB0"); > > Should that be /dev/ttyUSB0 perhaps? I have never seen a system name it > /dev/USB0. Sorry yes I had tried /dev/ttyUSB0 . I should have sent that version. > > > $serial->confBaudRate(9600); //Baud rate: 9600 > > $serial->confParity("none"); //Parity (this is the "N" in "8-N-1") > > $serial->confCharacterLength(8); //Character length (this is the "8" in > > "8-N-1") > > $serial->confStopBits(1); //Stop bits (this is the "1" in "8-N-1") > > > > // Then we need to open it > > $serial->deviceOpen(); > > > > // To write into > > $serial->sendMessage("Hello !"); > > > > > > > > } > > > > > > ?> > > > > I see no other issue that would explain the problem. Thanks so much for looking. I've tried contacting the author and I'll see if he has any thoughts on what may be wrong. Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 4 00:34:38 2008 From: louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (hui xu) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS In-Reply-To: <1207253001.5474.239.camel@jims-laptop> References: <1207253001.5474.239.camel@jims-laptop> Message-ID: <155505.68857.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Has anybody used the perl moudule "Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS" ? Is it safe to use it for trading? Thanks! louie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 4 03:19:38 2008 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:19:38 -0400 Subject: Anyone using php_serial.class.php with USB serial port? In-Reply-To: <1207253001.5474.239.camel@jims-laptop> References: <1207238869.5474.148.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403174111.GO24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207247061.5474.197.camel@jims-laptop> <1207247269.5474.200.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403192705.GQ24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207251714.5474.234.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403194549.GS24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207253001.5474.239.camel@jims-laptop> Message-ID: <1207279178.5878.16.camel@jims-laptop> > > > Below is the file I'm using to try to get it to work. Attached is the > > > class file. > > > > > > > > include "php_serial.class.php"; > > > > > > > > > { > > > // Let's start the class > > > $serial = new phpSerial; > > > > > > // First we must specify the device. This works on both linux and > > > windows (if > > > // your linux serial device is /dev/ttyS0 for COM1, etc) > > > $serial->deviceSet("/dev/ttyUSB0"); > > > $serial->confBaudRate(9600); //Baud rate: 9600 > > > $serial->confParity("none"); //Parity (this is the "N" in "8-N-1") > > > $serial->confCharacterLength(8); //Character length (this is the "8" in > > > "8-N-1") > > > $serial->confStopBits(1); //Stop bits (this is the "1" in "8-N-1") > > > > > > // Then we need to open it > > > $serial->deviceOpen(); > > > > > > // To write into > > > $serial->sendMessage("Hello !"); > > > > > > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > ?> Strange I discovered that if I run this from the command line as root it works. If I start Firefox even as root and run the program from the browser I get the error .. Warning: Specified serial port is not valid in /usr/share/php/php_serial.class.php on line 111 I tried changing permissions on the file to give permissions to anyone to execute and you still have to be root in the command line to make it run properly and it still won't run via the browser. Any idea whats going on here? jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From pkozlenko-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 4 03:23:26 2008 From: pkozlenko-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul Kozlenko) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:23:26 -0400 Subject: Linux/FreeBSD network troubleshooter wanted In-Reply-To: <880145.7937.qm-Tm7EnexblBL5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <880145.7937.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1207279406.6537.17.camel@fr> Rob, Not sure if you have any other replies. But, depending on what assistance you are looking for I *might* be able to to help. I have a full-time job that I will not interfere with. So this would only leave some time outside of this. - Paul On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 08:45 -0700, Rob Sutherland wrote: > If you're anywhere near Whitby or willing to make a > trip out here and have solid network troubleshooting > experience, we'd like to hear from you. We have 1 or > two days work available troubleshooting some setup > problems with a network involving a Sonicwall firewall > and a mixture of FreeBSD and CENTOS boxen. > > Rob > > Rob Sutherland > > 'What did the zero say to the eight?' > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 4 03:31:54 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 23:31:54 -0400 Subject: Debian ia64 Install (WAS "4GB memory") Message-ID: <1f13df280804032031m16da69fbic63104dcb17b563@mail.gmail.com> As a follow-up to the previous thread: I turned off "Virtual Memory" in Vista, rebooted, defragged, and asked Vista to shrink its own partition ... and it offered to give me a full 89MB more. Uh huh, thanks but no thanks. GPartEd believes it would have no trouble resizing Vista's partition. I haven't taken it up on that yet. But what's got me writing today: I used jigdo to create an ISO of debian-testing-ia64-CD-1 (the same process that successfully made a bootable CD of i386) and the computer won't boot from it. It mounts and I can see the files on it, but it won't boot. I can't remember how to do an md5sum on a CD to compare to the ISO and it seemed easier to download and burn debian-testing-ia64-businesscard ... which behaved in exactly the same way. The computer attempts to boot from CD, thinks about it for about five seconds, and then boots from the HD. As I say, both appear to be valid discs. Debian's instructions just say "boot from the disc," as if there's nothing special to be done. Anyone have any ideas? On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Giles Orr wrote: > The computer I mentioned earlier has arrived. Vista was rather > ungenerous in repartitioning: the machine has a 320GB drive and Vista > takes up 20GB but when asked to shrink the partition Vista would only > allow that it could give up 135GB. Defragging didn't change that. If > anyone has suggestions on this I'd be happy to hear them, but that's > not my main reason for writing. > > I bought the machine with 4GB of memory (4 sticks of 1GB). I wasn't > surprised to see Vista displaying 3.2GB, although it amuses me to no > end that you need 2GB to run it decently and you can't use more than > 3GB ... that's a pretty small window of opportunity. But I was > surprised to find that Debian testing displays very much the same > thing with "free", 3287MB even after I installed and booted kernel > 2.6.24-1-686-bigmem. I didn't change any boot params, do I need to? > "lshw" lists the motherboard as a "OFM586" made by "Dell," which > doesn't sound right, and it does see the 4GB. The chipset is Intel. > I'm hoping there's something fairly simple that I'm missing. I don't > believe there's a limitation in the BIOS, I looked there. Any other > suggestions welcome. > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 4 03:50:24 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:50:24 -0400 Subject: Debian ia64 Install (WAS "4GB memory") In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804032031m16da69fbic63104dcb17b563-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804032031m16da69fbic63104dcb17b563@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F5A580.4020303@utoronto.ca> Giles Orr wrote: > As a follow-up to the previous thread: I turned off "Virtual Memory" > in Vista, rebooted, defragged, and asked Vista to shrink its own > partition ... and it offered to give me a full 89MB more. Uh huh, > thanks but no thanks. > > GPartEd believes it would have no trouble resizing Vista's partition. > I haven't taken it up on that yet. > > But what's got me writing today: I used jigdo to create an ISO of > debian-testing-ia64-CD-1 (the same process that successfully made a > bootable CD of i386) and the computer won't boot from it. It mounts > and I can see the files on it, but it won't boot. I can't remember > how to do an md5sum on a CD to compare to the ISO and it seemed easier > to download and burn debian-testing-ia64-businesscard ... which > behaved in exactly the same way. The computer attempts to boot from > CD, thinks about it for about five seconds, and then boots from the > HD. As I say, both appear to be valid discs. Debian's instructions > just say "boot from the disc," as if there's nothing special to be > done. Anyone have any ideas? IA-64 is a little misleading, as is amd64 in a way. IA-64 is for Intel Itanium processors (you'd most certainly know if you had one), whereas amd64 is for amd64 chips, and for Pentium dual core and core2duo chips as well. Try http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-cd Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 4 05:17:56 2008 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:17:56 -0400 Subject: Seaside/Smalltalk meeting at IT360 Message-ID: <47F5BA04.7030902@rogers.com> Those attending IT360 may be interested in the following. The next Smalltalk user group meeting will be at the IT360 conference. We'll try to do hands on work with Seaside, so if you have questions or want to see how it all works, this would be a good place to get answers. The details are at: http://smalltalk.toronto.on.ca/ > The next meeting is Monday, April 7, at the Metro Toronto Convention Centre, room 202B, at 6:30. We will be kicking off the TSUG Seaside project, the details of which are still being discussed on the mailing list. Bring your ideas and guestions; what we make is not a important as the process of making it. NOTE: this meeting is being hosted by IT 360 which starts the next day. By the way, recent Seaside convert, Randal Schwartz of Perl fame, will be doing a 3-hour tutorial at OSCON. Link is: http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/library/post/seaside-tutorial-at-oscon---accepted.html?_c=feed-atom -- Yanni Chiu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 4 12:43:59 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:43:59 -0400 Subject: Anyone using php_serial.class.php with USB serial port? In-Reply-To: <1207279178.5878.16.camel@jims-laptop> References: <1207238869.5474.148.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403174111.GO24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207247061.5474.197.camel@jims-laptop> <1207247269.5474.200.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403192705.GQ24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207251714.5474.234.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403194549.GS24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207253001.5474.239.camel@jims-laptop> <1207279178.5878.16.camel@jims-laptop> Message-ID: <20080404124359.GT24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 11:19:38PM -0400, jim wrote: > Strange I discovered that if I run this from the command line as root it > works. If I start Firefox even as root and run the program from the > browser I get the error .. > > Warning: Specified serial port is not valid > in /usr/share/php/php_serial.class.php on line 111 > > I tried changing permissions on the file to give permissions to anyone > to execute and you still have to be root in the command line to make it > run properly and it still won't run via the browser. Any idea whats > going on here? What user does your web server run as? Is that user/group a member of whichever group has access to the serial ports? On Debian you would add the www-data user to the group 'dialout' by doing: adduser www-data dialout It is probably a permission issue and nothing else. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 4 12:48:50 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:48:50 -0400 Subject: Debian ia64 Install (WAS "4GB memory") In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804032031m16da69fbic63104dcb17b563-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804032031m16da69fbic63104dcb17b563@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080404124850.GU24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 11:31:54PM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > As a follow-up to the previous thread: I turned off "Virtual Memory" > in Vista, rebooted, defragged, and asked Vista to shrink its own > partition ... and it offered to give me a full 89MB more. Uh huh, > thanks but no thanks. > > GPartEd believes it would have no trouble resizing Vista's partition. > I haven't taken it up on that yet. Having used gparted to do just that (because vista wouldn't) I know it does in fact resize it. After that vista refuses to boot until you "repair" it's overly paranoid boot loader using the recovery system on the "real" installer DVD. Only takes a minute or two to fix it after the resize if you have a real DVD with the recovery tools. > But what's got me writing today: I used jigdo to create an ISO of > debian-testing-ia64-CD-1 (the same process that successfully made a > bootable CD of i386) and the computer won't boot from it. It mounts > and I can see the files on it, but it won't boot. I can't remember > how to do an md5sum on a CD to compare to the ISO and it seemed easier > to download and burn debian-testing-ia64-businesscard ... which > behaved in exactly the same way. The computer attempts to boot from > CD, thinks about it for about five seconds, and then boots from the > HD. As I say, both appear to be valid discs. Debian's instructions > just say "boot from the disc," as if there's nothing special to be > done. Anyone have any ideas? ia64 = itanium. You want amd64 (x86_64). Thank you idiots at intel for that naming decision. ia32 = i386 ia64 = itanium, because intel doesn't want a 64bit x86, they want a new architecture only they can produce. amd64 = AMD decides they do want a 64bit x86 and suprisingly enough, so did everyone else too In the linux world amd64 is normally called x86_64, but Debian doesn't permit '_'s in architecture names (it is reserved as a field seperator in package filenames), so they called it amd64 since amd designed it and it is 64bit. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 4 13:34:03 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:34:03 -0400 Subject: Debian ia64 Install (WAS "4GB memory") In-Reply-To: <20080404124850.GU24238-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804032031m16da69fbic63104dcb17b563@mail.gmail.com> <20080404124850.GU24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1f13df280804040634m6d37899fjc328385963ad889f@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:50 PM, Jamon Camisso wrote: > IA-64 is a little misleading, as is amd64 in a way. IA-64 is for Intel > Itanium processors (you'd most certainly know if you had one), whereas amd64 > is for amd64 chips, and for Pentium dual core and core2duo chips as well. > Try http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-cd I can't begin to go into how dumb this is. For YEARS the "i" in "i386" and "iN86" was "Intel." So I read "ia64" as "Intel Architecture 64-bit." It's more than a little counter-intuitive for the correct disc for an Intel chip to be the one labelled "amd." Of course we've been installing "i386" on AMD systems for years. End rant. Yes, the amd64 disc booted on the system, thanks. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > ia64 = itanium. You want amd64 (x86_64). > > Thank you idiots at intel for that naming decision. > ia32 = i386 > ia64 = itanium, because intel doesn't want a 64bit x86, they want a new > architecture only they can produce. > amd64 = AMD decides they do want a 64bit x86 and suprisingly enough, so > did everyone else too > > In the linux world amd64 is normally called x86_64, but Debian doesn't > permit '_'s in architecture names (it is reserved as a field seperator > in package filenames), so they called it amd64 since amd designed it and > it is 64bit. Thanks Lennart. I still violently disagree with the naming scheme, but at least now I understand the very broken logic behind it. As for memory ... I suppose it's time to call and bitch at Dell. The amd64 kernel sees 3.3GB of memory on a machine with 4GB installed (just as it did with 32-bit standard kernel, 32-bit bigmem kernel, and Vista), and I see no BIOS options about it. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sutherland_rob-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 4 15:29:17 2008 From: sutherland_rob-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Trixbox fun & games Message-ID: <177018.72582.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I've been trying to install the latest Trixbox release and it's a problem. Anyone have any other suggestions as far as Asterisk setups go? Rob Rob Sutherland 'What did the zero say to the eight?' ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 4 16:25:53 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:25:53 -0400 Subject: Debian ia64 Install (WAS "4GB memory") In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804040634m6d37899fjc328385963ad889f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804032031m16da69fbic63104dcb17b563@mail.gmail.com> <20080404124850.GU24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1f13df280804040634m6d37899fjc328385963ad889f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080404162553.GV24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 09:34:03AM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > Thanks Lennart. I still violently disagree with the naming scheme, > but at least now I understand the very broken logic behind it. Intel came up with the IA32 name when they did the itanium, and then called the itanium IA64 to get people to think of the itanium as the 64bit future where x86 users should migrate. Then the world promptly ignored intel and the itanium and kept using IA32 until amd came out with the x86_64 (amd64) which intel later copied and named em64t and intel simply considers a memory enhancement for IA32 and hence consider the architecture name to be IA32e. > As for memory ... I suppose it's time to call and bitch at Dell. The > amd64 kernel sees 3.3GB of memory on a machine with 4GB installed > (just as it did with 32-bit standard kernel, 32-bit bigmem kernel, and > Vista), and I see no BIOS options about it. There are probably reasons Dell offers many machines with 2x1GB + 2x512MB rather than 4x1GB or 2x2GB. I suspect they don't want to have to deal with tech support calls over why people bought 4GB ram and only see 3.2GB, so they only sell them with 3GB max in general. After all they only sold 32bit xp and 32bit vista in general which didn't support any ram mapped above 4GB. I think SP1 for vista added support for over 4GB if the system does PAE and has the memory mapped, but dell would still have to update the bios to do memory remapping. Which Dell model do you have? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 4 17:12:25 2008 From: Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Don Moskaluk) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:12:25 -0400 Subject: Trixbox fun & games In-Reply-To: <177018.72582.qm-hghbPWfArVb5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <177018.72582.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0E9BBB6@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> Rob Try flash-in-the-pbx >From nerd vittles. I know you the developers and they are excellent. Don Moskaluk Solution Architect Resolve Corporation 85 The East Mall Toronto, Ontario M8Z 5W4 T: 416 503-1800 ext 323 F: 416 503-8899 C: 647-241-7945 -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Rob Sutherland Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 11:29 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Trixbox fun & games I've been trying to install the latest Trixbox release and it's a problem. Anyone have any other suggestions as far as Asterisk setups go? Rob Rob Sutherland 'What did the zero say to the eight?' ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 4 18:08:30 2008 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:08:30 -0400 Subject: Trixbox fun & game In-Reply-To: <177018.72582.qm-hghbPWfArVb5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <177018.72582.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7ac602420804041108w4867bc04s47a8c26eca87afa2@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Rob Sutherland wrote: > I've been trying to install the latest Trixbox release > and it's a problem. Anyone have any other suggestions > as far as Asterisk setups go? Have you tried just installing it through the package manager in your favourite distro? I did that a couple of years ago to handle some incoming calls over VOIP and it mostly "just worked". Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 4 21:44:16 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:44:16 -0400 Subject: Trixbox fun & game In-Reply-To: <177018.72582.qm-hghbPWfArVb5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <177018.72582.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280804041444s4fb6f63bm8e471a1ea4c9bee6@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Rob Sutherland wrote: > I've been trying to install the latest Trixbox release > and it's a problem. Anyone have any other suggestions > as far as Asterisk setups go? The last time I installed Trixbox (admittedly about a year and a half ago) there was no option to install to a partition: it was the entire hard drive or nothing. I found this out by using the utilities of the Fedora Core disc that Trixbox is built on to repartition before letting the install go, and then I got a munged FC install. Get a small HD, disconnect everything else, and let Trixbox do its thing. Of course this will only help you if you encountered a similar problem, but my install went cleanly when I didn't try any tricks. Keep in mind that Toronto has an excellent Asterisk User group with a lot of very knowledgeable people: http://taug.ca/ The meetings were helpful. > 'What did the zero say to the eight?' We're all dying to know the answer. Or maybe it's just me. :-) -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 4 23:51:19 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 19:51:19 -0400 Subject: Rogers... or what? Message-ID: This is possibly related to the latest events around. In the past I had no problem to download movies from Google Video. Now, that seems almost impossible when using Firefox. Connection brakes soon after the movie download is started. Who brakes the connection? Google? I doubt. So, Rogers, I guess? I use Rogers as ISP. I did find a way to download movies, by using wget with "-c". But that is not an option for "usual" Internet users - average users will never ever be able to find a such "sophsticated" way of downloading movies. zb. P.s.: Commenting on what is available for downloading from Google Video is an entirely different subject. I would gladly kick asses of these Google idiots who decide on Google policy. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 5 00:06:06 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 20:06:06 -0400 Subject: Trixbox fun & game In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804041444s4fb6f63bm8e471a1ea4c9bee6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <177018.72582.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <1f13df280804041444s4fb6f63bm8e471a1ea4c9bee6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080405000606.GA30140@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 05:44:16PM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: >> 'What did the zero say to the eight?' > >We're all dying to know the answer. Or maybe it's just me. :-) "Nice Belt", unless I'm mistaken. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From sutherland_rob-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 5 01:40:59 2008 From: sutherland_rob-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Trixbox fun & game In-Reply-To: <20080405000606.GA30140-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20080405000606.GA30140@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <486677.80261.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 05:44:16PM -0400, Giles Orr > wrote: > > >> 'What did the zero say to the eight?' > > > >We're all dying to know the answer. Or maybe it's > just me. :-) > > "Nice Belt", unless I'm mistaken. Right first time :-) I heard that from Ferron, and there's an extra bonus if you know who that is :-) Rob ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 5 01:52:36 2008 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:52:36 -0400 Subject: Anyone using php_serial.class.php with USB serial port? In-Reply-To: <20080404124359.GT24238-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1207238869.5474.148.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403174111.GO24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207247061.5474.197.camel@jims-laptop> <1207247269.5474.200.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403192705.GQ24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207251714.5474.234.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403194549.GS24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207253001.5474.239.camel@jims-laptop> <1207279178.5878.16.camel@jims-laptop> <20080404124359.GT24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1207360356.5758.2.camel@jims-laptop> Thanks Lennart. > On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 11:19:38PM -0400, jim wrote: > > Strange I discovered that if I run this from the command line as root it > > works. If I start Firefox even as root and run the program from the > > browser I get the error .. > > > > Warning: Specified serial port is not valid > > in /usr/share/php/php_serial.class.php on line 111 > > > > I tried changing permissions on the file to give permissions to anyone > > to execute and you still have to be root in the command line to make it > > run properly and it still won't run via the browser. Any idea whats > > going on here? > > What user does your web server run as? Is that user/group a member of > whichever group has access to the serial ports? How do I find this information? I'm using apache. Jim > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 5 02:00:41 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 22:00:41 -0400 Subject: Trixbox fun & game In-Reply-To: <486677.80261.qm-FeYJV6Hb+Rr5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20080405000606.GA30140@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <486677.80261.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080405020041.GA8137@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 06:40:59PM -0700, Rob Sutherland wrote: >--- William O'Higgins Witteman > >> On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 05:44:16PM -0400, Giles Orr >> wrote: >> >> >> 'What did the zero say to the eight?' >> >> >We're all dying to know the answer. Or maybe it's >> >just me. :-) >> >> "Nice Belt", unless I'm mistaken. > >Right first time :-) I heard that from Ferron, and >there's an extra bonus if you know who that is :-) According to wikipedia, she is a Canadian folk singer. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From sutherland_rob-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 5 02:01:27 2008 From: sutherland_rob-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 19:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Trixbox fun & game In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804041444s4fb6f63bm8e471a1ea4c9bee6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804041444s4fb6f63bm8e471a1ea4c9bee6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <454541.67299.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- Giles Orr wrote: > > small HD, disconnect everything else, and let > Trixbox do its thing. > Of course this will only help you if you encountered > a similar > problem, but my install went cleanly when I didn't > try any tricks. > The main problem was that chunks of the trixbox part of the install kept missing chunks the ISO kept getting corrupted during burning. However, I did a fresh download after producing a few coasters, verifed the MD5 and burned it at 1x with K3B and still had a problem with a missing chunk of freepbx, so I just did a Centos install and compiled everything. Only took an hour or so. > Keep in mind that Toronto has an excellent Asterisk > User group with a > lot of very knowledgeable people: > > http://taug.ca/ > > The meetings were helpful. Thanks, I'll check it out. Rob 'I is Popey O'Borg, yez will be askimigulated' ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 5 13:23:36 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 09:23:36 -0400 Subject: Rogers... or what? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080405132336.GB25430@watson-wilson.ca> On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 07:51:19PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >In the past I had no problem to download movies from Google Video. >Now, that seems almost impossible when using Firefox. Connection >brakes soon after the movie download is started. > >Who brakes the connection? Google? I doubt. So, Rogers, I guess? I use >Rogers as ISP. I've noticed with at youtube and break.com. I am using ADSL. -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sutherland_rob-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 5 13:48:53 2008 From: sutherland_rob-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 06:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Trixbox fun & game In-Reply-To: <20080405020041.GA8137-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20080405020041.GA8137@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <684759.16510.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: ) > >> > >> "Nice Belt", unless I'm mistaken. > > > >Right first time :-) I heard that from Ferron, and > >there's an extra bonus if you know who that is :-) > > According to wikipedia, she is a Canadian folk > singer. > True - but sorry, no bonus points for using Wikipedia :-) Rob ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 5 16:06:17 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 12:06:17 -0400 Subject: Rogers... or what? In-Reply-To: <20080405132336.GB25430-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080405132336.GB25430@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Neil Watson wrote: > On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 07:51:19PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > > In the past I had no problem to download movies from Google Video. > > Now, that seems almost impossible when using Firefox. Connection > > brakes soon after the movie download is started. > > > > Who brakes the connection? Google? I doubt. So, Rogers, I guess? I use > > Rogers as ISP. > > > > I've noticed with at youtube and break.com. I am using ADSL. Today, I made remotely a copy of my work at workplace and used scp to transfer it to hom e computer. The speed is 40 kB/s ! Exactly 40 kB/s. And my workplace has a very fast internet connection. To check if something is perhaps wrong with the internet connection, I went to download an iso file of ubuntu. At the same time when my scp was 40 kB/s I got 600 kB/s from http download! This is insane. They are terrorists! And should be killed as such. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 5 18:50:09 2008 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 14:50:09 -0400 Subject: Anyone using php_serial.class.php with USB serial port? In-Reply-To: <20080404124359.GT24238-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1207238869.5474.148.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403174111.GO24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207247061.5474.197.camel@jims-laptop> <1207247269.5474.200.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403192705.GQ24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207251714.5474.234.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403194549.GS24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207253001.5474.239.camel@jims-laptop> <1207279178.5878.16.camel@jims-laptop> <20080404124359.GT24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1207421409.5758.38.camel@jims-laptop> THanks Lennart, > On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 11:19:38PM -0400, jim wrote: > > Strange I discovered that if I run this from the command line as root it > > works. If I start Firefox even as root and run the program from the > > browser I get the error .. > > > > Warning: Specified serial port is not valid > > in /usr/share/php/php_serial.class.php on line 111 > > > > I tried changing permissions on the file to give permissions to anyone > > to execute and you still have to be root in the command line to make it > > run properly and it still won't run via the browser. Any idea whats > > going on here? > > What user does your web server run as? Is that user/group a member of > whichever group has access to the serial ports? > > On Debian you would add the www-data user to the group 'dialout' by > doing: > adduser www-data dialout > > It is probably a permission issue and nothing else. Yes it was a permission thing. Adding www-data to dialout didn't quite do it but changing permissions on /dev/USB0 worked. Thanks again!! Jim > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 5 19:53:04 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 15:53:04 -0400 Subject: Anyone using php_serial.class.php with USB serial port? In-Reply-To: <1207421409.5758.38.camel@jims-laptop> References: <1207238869.5474.148.camel@jims-laptop> <1207247061.5474.197.camel@jims-laptop> <1207247269.5474.200.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403192705.GQ24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207251714.5474.234.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403194549.GS24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207253001.5474.239.camel@jims-laptop> <1207279178.5878.16.camel@jims-laptop> <20080404124359.GT24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207421409.5758.38.camel@jims-laptop> Message-ID: <1f13df280804051253x518abe06oda6199dd0c97451b@mail.gmail.com> On 4/5/08, jim wrote: > > On Debian you would add the www-data user to the group 'dialout' by > > doing: > > adduser www-data dialout > > > > It is probably a permission issue and nothing else. > Yes it was a permission thing. Adding www-data to dialout didn't quite > do it but changing permissions on /dev/USB0 worked. Thanks again!! Keep in mind that the permissions probably won't hold through a reboot unless you make other arrangements: "adduser www-data dialout" or similar is "sticky" (if you'll pardon the use of a word that has other meanings in a Unix context), whereas the ownership of all /dev/ files is reset by most (?) distributions at reboot so changes you make by using "chown" or "chmod" are only good temporarily. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 5 18:16:30 2008 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 14:16:30 -0400 Subject: Request for kernel-compile time (advance user only) Message-ID: <20080405181630.GB6320@node1.opengeometry.net> After building two Athlon64 (single-core) system, I'm still disappointed by the speed and throughput. It's barely 50% faster than P4/2.8GHz + DDR-333. Can some of you download kernel/config, and post compile time? I'd would very interested in how other cpu/chipset perform. Command line would go something like this: wget http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/tmp/config-huge-smp-2.6.24.3-smp wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.24.3.tar.bz2 tar -xjf linux-2.6.24.3.tar.bz2 cd linux-2.6.24.3 make distclean cp ../config-huge-smp-2.6.24.3-smp .config make oldconfig time make On my computers, 'time make' takes - 30min - Athlon64 LE-1620+/2.4GHz (45W) - OCZ DDR2-667 (5-5-5-15) - Asus M2N-VM DVI (GeForce 7050, nForce 630a) - 25min - Athlon64 3800+/2.4GHz (65W) - Crucial Ballistix DDR2-800 (4-4-4-12) - Asus M2N-E (nForce 570 Ultra) There will be difference due to different libraries and compilers, but they should all be in the same ball park. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 5 17:55:44 2008 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:55:44 -0400 Subject: WestLUG In-Reply-To: <47F399EA.6010505-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <661794.41596.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7ac602420804012018i1997f329gda22555854743428@mail.gmail.com> <47F36CF4.4070404@rogers.com> <47F399EA.6010505@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080405175544.GA6320@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 10:36:26AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Frank (Erebus) wrote: > >WestTLUG still very much exists. Was at the regularly monthly meeting > >last night in fact. > > > >Frank in Mississauga > > Where are the meetings these days? http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/WestTLUG/ Linux Users Group for West of Toronto, serving Halton and Peel Regions. We meet on the first Tuesday of the month at Sheridan College (Trafalgar Campus, SPARK building, room J114, 1430 Trafalgar Rd, Oakville --- free parking at Ceremonial Rd after 4pm). To join without Yahoo account, use email to subscribe. By the way, Colin... the subject is missing one 'T'. It is "West" + "TLUG". :-) -- William Park , Toronto, Canada BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 6 01:02:47 2008 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 21:02:47 -0400 Subject: Request for kernel-compile time (advance user only) In-Reply-To: <20080405181630.GB6320-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080405181630.GB6320@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20080405210247.6f5230e9.tleslie@tcn.net> kernel compiling could be pretty disk intensive , at least from what i remember. you might want to see if make -j 3 might help, as even tho its a single processor , at least while its waiting on a disk fetch, another make task could be crunching away. also have to be careful getting times from a second attempt, as depending on RAM, much of source files could be cached. what is your cpu load, and wait % during the make? also don't forget cpu's are getting slower not faster!! ok well thats not entirely true, but, because of dual core, quad core, and octal cores, and heat issues, and such, cpu's have gotten slower over the last year or two (on the typical products sold at your average stores, but tranistors certainly are more densly packed and plentiful, but actual processing speeds sometimes have decreased, in favour of multi core, which if you don't use make -j <#cpu's+1> or atleast make -j #cpu's you could very well get slower time on a multi cpu system, but you don't have that, but, again, the technology of late is into the multicores and not blinding speed of a single core. And other advances in mutlimedia in the cpu are not likely helping your compiling process. -tl On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 14:16:30 -0400 William Park wrote: > After building two Athlon64 (single-core) system, I'm still disappointed > by the speed and throughput. It's barely 50% faster than P4/2.8GHz + > DDR-333. > > Can some of you download kernel/config, and post compile time? I'd > would very interested in how other cpu/chipset perform. Command line > would go something like this: > > wget http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/tmp/config-huge-smp-2.6.24.3-smp > wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.24.3.tar.bz2 > tar -xjf linux-2.6.24.3.tar.bz2 > cd linux-2.6.24.3 > make distclean > cp ../config-huge-smp-2.6.24.3-smp .config > make oldconfig > time make > > On my computers, 'time make' takes > > - 30min > - Athlon64 LE-1620+/2.4GHz (45W) > - OCZ DDR2-667 (5-5-5-15) > - Asus M2N-VM DVI (GeForce 7050, nForce 630a) > > - 25min > - Athlon64 3800+/2.4GHz (65W) > - Crucial Ballistix DDR2-800 (4-4-4-12) > - Asus M2N-E (nForce 570 Ultra) > > There will be difference due to different libraries and compilers, but > they should all be in the same ball park. > > -- > William Park , Toronto, Canada > BashDiff: Super Bash shell > http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 6 03:38:05 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:38:05 -0400 Subject: Request for kernel-compile time (advance user only) In-Reply-To: <20080405181630.GB6320-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080405181630.GB6320@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <1f13df280804052038h1c15f285h380f74d56d1406d2@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 2:16 PM, William Park wrote: > After building two Athlon64 (single-core) system, I'm still disappointed > by the speed and throughput. It's barely 50% faster than P4/2.8GHz + > DDR-333. > > Can some of you download kernel/config, and post compile time? I'd > would very interested in how other cpu/chipset perform. Command line > would go something like this: > > wget http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/tmp/config-huge-smp-2.6.24.3-smp > wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.24.3.tar.bz2 > tar -xjf linux-2.6.24.3.tar.bz2 > cd linux-2.6.24.3 > make distclean > cp ../config-huge-smp-2.6.24.3-smp .config > make oldconfig > time make > > On my computers, 'time make' takes > > - 30min > - Athlon64 LE-1620+/2.4GHz (45W) > - OCZ DDR2-667 (5-5-5-15) > - Asus M2N-VM DVI (GeForce 7050, nForce 630a) > > - 25min > - Athlon64 3800+/2.4GHz (65W) > - Crucial Ballistix DDR2-800 (4-4-4-12) > - Asus M2N-E (nForce 570 Ultra) > > There will be difference due to different libraries and compilers, but > they should all be in the same ball park. "make oldconfig" asked about 20 questions, I answered the default to all. Dell Inspiron 530 Core 2 Quad 2.4 GHz (130W) 4 GB ? ? (n-n-n-m) ... but it's four sticks Dell cheapo mobo (it's a new box with a quad core. I was curious.) "time make -j 5" (on ted's advice) first run (ie. no significant caching): "real 7m16s" Holy crap - that included building all the modules too. I may not dread "make" quite so much in the future. I'd like to do a comparison run on my old Athlon 2700+ from 2003, but realistically I'm unlikely to get around to it and it would probably cause no end of problems being a 64 bit config on a 32 bit machine. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 6 05:15:56 2008 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 01:15:56 -0400 Subject: Request for kernel-compile time (advance user only) In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804052038h1c15f285h380f74d56d1406d2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080405181630.GB6320@node1.opengeometry.net> <1f13df280804052038h1c15f285h380f74d56d1406d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080406011556.5f275a57.tleslie@tcn.net> Note that if you multijob make from now on, as great as it is, i have had maybe 5-10% of major make jobs fail do to the makefile not being set up to parallel make, so it will error out based on a unfound symbol, just do a serial make at that point to pass the error if it was caused by a make dependancy issue. i am sure eventually all major project will compile fine with multijob make. With multi cores being the norm now, there is also a concurrent bzip2 package out there http://compression.ca/pbzip2/ that you will find interesting. hopefully many more common programs get a good rewrite to support multi-cpus. -tl On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:38:05 -0400 "Giles Orr" wrote: > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 2:16 PM, William Park wrote: > > After building two Athlon64 (single-core) system, I'm still disappointed > > by the speed and throughput. It's barely 50% faster than P4/2.8GHz + > > DDR-333. > > > > Can some of you download kernel/config, and post compile time? I'd > > would very interested in how other cpu/chipset perform. Command line > > would go something like this: > > > > wget http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/tmp/config-huge-smp-2.6.24.3-smp > > wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.24.3.tar.bz2 > > tar -xjf linux-2.6.24.3.tar.bz2 > > cd linux-2.6.24.3 > > make distclean > > cp ../config-huge-smp-2.6.24.3-smp .config > > make oldconfig > > time make > > > > On my computers, 'time make' takes > > > > - 30min > > - Athlon64 LE-1620+/2.4GHz (45W) > > - OCZ DDR2-667 (5-5-5-15) > > - Asus M2N-VM DVI (GeForce 7050, nForce 630a) > > > > - 25min > > - Athlon64 3800+/2.4GHz (65W) > > - Crucial Ballistix DDR2-800 (4-4-4-12) > > - Asus M2N-E (nForce 570 Ultra) > > > > There will be difference due to different libraries and compilers, but > > they should all be in the same ball park. > > "make oldconfig" asked about 20 questions, I answered the default to all. > > Dell Inspiron 530 > Core 2 Quad 2.4 GHz (130W) > 4 GB ? ? (n-n-n-m) ... but it's four sticks > Dell cheapo mobo > > (it's a new box with a quad core. I was curious.) > > "time make -j 5" (on ted's advice) first run (ie. no significant caching): > "real 7m16s" > > Holy crap - that included building all the modules too. I may not > dread "make" quite so much in the future. > > I'd like to do a comparison run on my old Athlon 2700+ from 2003, but > realistically I'm unlikely to get around to it and it would probably > cause no end of problems being a 64 bit config on a 32 bit machine. > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 6 10:25:27 2008 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 06:25:27 -0400 Subject: WestLUG In-Reply-To: <20080405175544.GA6320-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <661794.41596.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47F399EA.6010505@rogers.com> <20080405175544.GA6320@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <200804060625.29754.icanprogram@295.ca> On April 5, 2008 12:55 pm, William Park wrote: > On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 10:36:26AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > > Frank (Erebus) wrote: > > >WestTLUG still very much exists. Was at the regularly monthly meeting > > >last night in fact. > > > > > >Frank in Mississauga > > > > Where are the meetings these days? > > http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/WestTLUG/ > > Linux Users Group for West of Toronto, serving Halton and Peel > Regions. We meet on the first Tuesday of the month at Sheridan > College (Trafalgar Campus, SPARK building, room J114, 1430 Trafalgar > Rd, Oakville --- free parking at Ceremonial Rd after 4pm). To join > without Yahoo account, use email to subscribe. > > By the way, Colin... the subject is missing one 'T'. It is "West" + > "TLUG". :-) Actually for a whole variety of reasons Wesley asked me to create a new mailing list for the WestTLUG group at: http://groups.google.com/group/westTLUG From the looks of things the main page could use some updating. However, in hindsight it is probably better on a non Yahoo (soon to become Microsoft) mailing list server. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 6 14:48:37 2008 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:48:37 -0400 Subject: Request for kernel-compile time (advance user only) In-Reply-To: <20080406011556.5f275a57.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20080405181630.GB6320@node1.opengeometry.net> <1f13df280804052038h1c15f285h380f74d56d1406d2@mail.gmail.com> <20080406011556.5f275a57.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <7ac602420804060748r56252d99g927345e5e360bb7c@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 1:15 AM, ted leslie wrote: > i am sure eventually all major project will compile fine > with multijob make. It would be nice if that comes true, but it might be over-optimistic. Recursive makefiles are especially difficult to parallelise and AFAIK, the suite of auto-tools generates recursive makefiles. Have a look at "Recursive Make Considered Harmful" http://miller.emu.id.au/pmiller/books/rmch/ if you're interested in more details. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 6 17:18:39 2008 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 13:18:39 -0400 Subject: Request for kernel-compile time (advance user only) In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804052038h1c15f285h380f74d56d1406d2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080405181630.GB6320@node1.opengeometry.net> <1f13df280804052038h1c15f285h380f74d56d1406d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080406171839.GA3553@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 11:38:05PM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > "make oldconfig" asked about 20 questions, I answered the default to all. > > Dell Inspiron 530 > Core 2 Quad 2.4 GHz (130W) > 4 GB ? ? (n-n-n-m) ... but it's four sticks > Dell cheapo mobo > > (it's a new box with a quad core. I was curious.) > > "time make -j 5" (on ted's advice) first run (ie. no significant caching): > "real 7m16s" > > Holy crap - that included building all the modules too. I may not > dread "make" quite so much in the future. > > I'd like to do a comparison run on my old Athlon 2700+ from 2003, but > realistically I'm unlikely to get around to it and it would probably > cause no end of problems being a 64 bit config on a 32 bit machine. Since it's quad-core, a comparable time would be 7 x 4 = 28min which is about right. Okey, I'm less disappointed. :-) -- William Park , Toronto, Canada BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 6 15:50:05 2008 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 11:50:05 -0400 Subject: OT: Looking for PC133 RAM Message-ID: <47F8F12D.60202@pppoe.ca> Hi I have a Dell 800MHz box with 2 RAM slots. They're filled with 128M each. I'm looking for PC133 RAM, 256M or better. If you have any that you don't want/need, please drop me a line offlist. Thanks. Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 6 15:58:10 2008 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 11:58:10 -0400 Subject: OT: SCSI cards Message-ID: <47F8F312.2000405@pppoe.ca> Hi I have 2 old IBM server SCSI cards, Adaptec 29160LP, AHA-2910C and a Tekram DC-315U. If anyone wants them, please email me offlist :-) Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 7 11:52:46 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 07:52:46 -0400 Subject: Rogers... or what? In-Reply-To: References: <20080405132336.GB25430@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20080407115246.GD24356@watson-wilson.ca> On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 12:06:17PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >To check if something is perhaps wrong with the internet connection, I >went to download an iso file of ubuntu. At the same time when my scp >was 40 kB/s I got 600 kB/s from http download! Comparing ssh and http is somewhat of an apples to oranges moment. There is a lot of overhead in ssh compared to http. Ssh is further degraded if any Windows hosts are involved. -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 7 13:15:11 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:15:11 -0400 Subject: Anyone using php_serial.class.php with USB serial port? In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804051253x518abe06oda6199dd0c97451b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1207247061.5474.197.camel@jims-laptop> <1207247269.5474.200.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403192705.GQ24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207251714.5474.234.camel@jims-laptop> <20080403194549.GS24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207253001.5474.239.camel@jims-laptop> <1207279178.5878.16.camel@jims-laptop> <20080404124359.GT24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1207421409.5758.38.camel@jims-laptop> <1f13df280804051253x518abe06oda6199dd0c97451b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080407131511.GW24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 03:53:04PM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > Keep in mind that the permissions probably won't hold through a reboot > unless you make other arrangements: "adduser www-data dialout" or > similar is "sticky" (if you'll pardon the use of a word that has other > meanings in a Unix context), whereas the ownership of all /dev/ files > is reset by most (?) distributions at reboot so changes you make by > using "chown" or "chmod" are only good temporarily. Adding a user to a group is permanent. Messing with permissions on /dev files often aren't (when udev is involved as it usually is these days). apache would have to be restarted after changing the group settings. Debian uses www-data as user for apache. Other distributions use other names for it. ps auxww|grep apache, should show what user and group it runs as. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 7 13:17:33 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:17:33 -0400 Subject: OT: Looking for PC133 RAM In-Reply-To: <47F8F12D.60202-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <47F8F12D.60202@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <20080407131733.GX24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 11:50:05AM -0400, Meng Cheah wrote: > I have a Dell 800MHz box with 2 RAM slots. > They're filled with 128M each. > > I'm looking for PC133 RAM, 256M or better. > If you have any that you don't want/need, please drop me a line offlist. You also need to specify if it should be buffered or unbuffered, and single or double sided (many machines will use double sided 256MB but will not use single sided 256MB, and similarly for 512MB modules). SDRAM was kind of a pain in how indefined it really was. The chipset in use mainly determines the requirements for the ram. What model dell is it? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 7 14:44:54 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:44:54 -0400 Subject: Request for kernel-compile time (advance user only) In-Reply-To: <20080405181630.GB6320-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20080405181630.GB6320@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20080407144454.GY24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 02:16:30PM -0400, William Park wrote: > After building two Athlon64 (single-core) system, I'm still disappointed > by the speed and throughput. It's barely 50% faster than P4/2.8GHz + > DDR-333. So being 50% faster than a P4 2.8GHz while running at 2.4GHz and using half the power isn't good enough? Are they dual core or single core Athlon64s? > Can some of you download kernel/config, and post compile time? I'd > would very interested in how other cpu/chipset perform. Command line > would go something like this: > > wget http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/tmp/config-huge-smp-2.6.24.3-smp > wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.24.3.tar.bz2 > tar -xjf linux-2.6.24.3.tar.bz2 > cd linux-2.6.24.3 > make distclean > cp ../config-huge-smp-2.6.24.3-smp .config > make oldconfig > time make > > On my computers, 'time make' takes > > - 30min > - Athlon64 LE-1620+/2.4GHz (45W) > - OCZ DDR2-667 (5-5-5-15) > - Asus M2N-VM DVI (GeForce 7050, nForce 630a) > > - 25min > - Athlon64 3800+/2.4GHz (65W) > - Crucial Ballistix DDR2-800 (4-4-4-12) > - Asus M2N-E (nForce 570 Ultra) > > There will be difference due to different libraries and compilers, but > they should all be in the same ball park. You should also note your disk setup. Speed of disk can matter. Quantity of ram also matters. I ran it on my machine: time make -j 8 (on SMP machines, -j 2 x number of CPUs tends to be a good way to keep all the CPUs busy). real 7m22.548s user 25m3.546s sys 3m0.475s That is a Q6600 quad 2.4GHz with 2GB DDR2-800 ram (dual channel of course). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 7 14:47:07 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:47:07 -0400 Subject: Request for kernel-compile time (advance user only) In-Reply-To: <7ac602420804060748r56252d99g927345e5e360bb7c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080405181630.GB6320@node1.opengeometry.net> <1f13df280804052038h1c15f285h380f74d56d1406d2@mail.gmail.com> <20080406011556.5f275a57.tleslie@tcn.net> <7ac602420804060748r56252d99g927345e5e360bb7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080407144707.GZ24238@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 10:48:37AM -0400, Ian Petersen wrote: > It would be nice if that comes true, but it might be over-optimistic. > Recursive makefiles are especially difficult to parallelise and AFAIK, > the suite of auto-tools generates recursive makefiles. Have a look at > "Recursive Make Considered Harmful" > http://miller.emu.id.au/pmiller/books/rmch/ if you're interested in > more details. As long as the dependancies are correct (which often they are not, which is the main problem), then make should work in parallel just fine. The problem occours when some part of the build process should be done in series but the dependancies fail to state this explictly. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 7 15:59:18 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:59:18 -0400 Subject: Samba and Vista Message-ID: <20080407155918.GA5113@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I have to get my Debian box to host some files for a bunch of Vista boxes at work, and I am not having any success. Does someone have a smb.conf that they could post to help me out. I would ideally be able to prompt the Vista machine for a password and then put up files, but I am not having any luck. Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 7 19:18:14 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: shell script bug [was: capturing CBC Radio from an internet stream] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:09:21 -0500 (EST) | From: D. Hugh Redelmeier | Here's a shell script that I call GRAB1hrCBC1mms: | DATE=`date +%Y.%m.%d-%H.%M` | | mmsrip --delay=3600 --output=$DATE.wma mms://wm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-${CITY:-toronto} I "improved" this, allowing the recording time to be overridden and a description to be added to the resulting file's name: mmsrip --delay=${SECONDS:-3600} --output=${DATE}${DESCRIPTION:-}.wma \ mms://wm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-${CITY:-toronto} Simple and useful, eh? Well, the result was that my partition slowly filled up and the recording never terminated. The first time, I thought it was a fluke. It turns out that bash "owns" the variable SECONDS. It is the number of seconds since the shell was invoked. mmsrip was probably seeing --delay=0. I hate reserved words. I hate silently reserved words -- no warning just bad behaviour. The fix is simple. I used DURATION instead. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 7 20:26:23 2008 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 16:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: shell script bug [was: capturing CBC Radio from an internet stream] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Apr 2008, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:09:21 -0500 (EST) > | From: D. Hugh Redelmeier > > | Here's a shell script that I call GRAB1hrCBC1mms: > > | DATE=`date +%Y.%m.%d-%H.%M` > | > | mmsrip --delay=3600 --output=$DATE.wma mms://wm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-${CITY:-toronto} > > I "improved" this, allowing the recording time to be overridden and a > description to be added to the resulting file's name: > mmsrip --delay=${SECONDS:-3600} --output=${DATE}${DESCRIPTION:-}.wma \ > mms://wm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-${CITY:-toronto} > > Simple and useful, eh? > > Well, the result was that my partition slowly filled up and the > recording never terminated. The first time, I thought it was a fluke. > > It turns out that bash "owns" the variable SECONDS. It is the number > of seconds since the shell was invoked. mmsrip was probably seeing > --delay=0. > > I hate reserved words. I hate silently reserved words -- no warning > just bad behaviour. > > The fix is simple. I used DURATION instead. A simpler fix is to avoid using upper case for variable names. All bash's shell variables (with the exception of auto_resume and histchars) are upper case. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 8 00:17:46 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 00:17:46 +0000 Subject: Outgoing VNC/remote-desktop request Message-ID: <3a97ef0804071717r2a2084bbyb7502f53c3d914a2@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, I seem to remember that there was a way to do this with VNC, but I can't remember for sure. Is there a way to "request" assistance from one linux machine to another. That is, rather than the standard way of running a VNC server and having a remote machine take over, you could send an outgoing "here, take control" request Alternately, a way to do this via SSH would work as well. I've got some relatives with a 'nix box I setup, but for some reason their router (or their ISP, but I suspect the router) is blocking incoming SSH/etc. If I can manage to have somebody on the other end connect to one of my own servers (which have public IPs), I should be able to take care of things from here. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, TJA -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 8 00:45:13 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:45:13 -0400 Subject: [OT] Do You Think Rogers Knows About This? Message-ID: <47FAC019.4020803@rogers.com> 'The Grid' Could Soon Make the Internet Obsolete http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347212,00.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 8 10:21:46 2008 From: gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Eric Battersby) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 06:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: shell script bug [was: capturing CBC Radio from an internet stream] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080408060915.L94070@vex.net> On Mon, 7 Apr 2008, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:09:21 -0500 (EST) > | From: D. Hugh Redelmeier > > | Here's a shell script that I call GRAB1hrCBC1mms: > > | DATE=`date +%Y.%m.%d-%H.%M` > | > | mmsrip --delay=3600 --output=$DATE.wma mms://wm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-${CITY:-toronto} > > I "improved" this, allowing the recording time to be overridden and a > description to be added to the resulting file's name: > mmsrip --delay=${SECONDS:-3600} --output=${DATE}${DESCRIPTION:-}.wma \ > mms://wm.cbc.ca/cbcr1-${CITY:-toronto} > > Simple and useful, eh? > > Well, the result was that my partition slowly filled up and the > recording never terminated. The first time, I thought it was a fluke. Also, I had 'mmsrip' (version 0.6.5) hang, so I called it via "timeout" as a double precaution, where the timeout value is a minute longer. > It turns out that bash "owns" the variable SECONDS. It is the number > of seconds since the shell was invoked. mmsrip was probably seeing > --delay=0. > > I hate reserved words. I hate silently reserved words -- no warning > just bad behaviour. > > The fix is simple. I used DURATION instead. Is it possible that a future BASH could use 'DURATION' as a reserverd word? -- Eric Battersby. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 8 13:02:47 2008 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:02:47 -0400 Subject: OT: Looking for PC133 RAM Message-ID: <47FB6CF7.7050502@pppoe.ca> From: Lennart Sorensen >You also need to specify if it should be buffered or unbuffered, and >single or double sided (many machines will use double sided 256MB but >will not use single sided 256MB, and similarly for 512MB modules). >SDRAM was kind of a pain in how indefined it really was. >The chipset in use mainly determines the requirements for the ram. >What model dell is it? Dell Dimension L800CXE :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 8 12:38:34 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:38:34 -0400 Subject: [OT] Do You Think Rogers Knows About This? In-Reply-To: <47FAC019.4020803-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FAC019.4020803@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080408123834.GA21966@watson-wilson.ca> On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 08:45:13PM -0400, Stephen wrote: > > 'The Grid' Could Soon Make the Internet Obsolete > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347212,00.html I'm sure the **AA organizations are busy lobbying to label this as a pirate tool in order to limit its usage. -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 8 16:14:03 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:14:03 -0400 Subject: OT: Looking for PC133 RAM In-Reply-To: <47FB6CF7.7050502-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <47FB6CF7.7050502@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <20080408161403.GA2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 09:02:47AM -0400, Meng Cheah wrote: > Dell Dimension L800CXE :-) Well according to Crucial the meory support is: Up to 2 x 256MB PC133 unbuffered non-ecc 256MB sticks MUST be "double sided" which means they use two chip select lines per module. This normally means the module has 16 chips on it. If it has only 8 chips, it will almost certainly not work. 128MB modules can have just 8 chips and be fine. That is the limitation of the intel 810 chipset. My Athlon 700 (Via KT133 chipset) has a similar limit, except it can use single sided 256MB sticks, but must have double sided 512MB sticks and maxes out at 3 x 512MB ram. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 8 16:58:09 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:58:09 -0400 Subject: [Bulk] Re:Michael Geist - Bell Secretly Throttling Wholesale Internet Services? - UPDATED In-Reply-To: <47EEF2F4.10201-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47EA3022.5030701@rogers.com> <20080329132453.352f8d99@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EEF2F4.10201@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0804080958s7c1027b5p294796e14aa9f662@mail.gmail.com> To add to the whole fun about how much Bell sucks. I buy my internet from Teksavvy. Unfortunately, as they're DSL, my "last-mile" comes through Bell. That means that any issues regarding the copper connection between my house (condo) and the CO are all in Bell's hands. So, recently I called them in regards to the fact that when my Dry-Loop connection was installed (by Bell), it broke the intercom used for people to call into my unit (and request that I unlock the door, etc). I have now been on and off of hold for about 2-3 hours, and I think I've spoken at least once or twice to a person from every department in Bell. The sympatico guys insist that it's a line issue. The line guys say that it's a sympatico issue. Several departments have told me that I need to pay for a phone installation to have it work (despite the fact that others with no phone have a perfectly functional buzzer). I would *really* love to see Bell taken to task in regards to the crappy service they provide. I'm sure this isn't a new issue, as pretty much *everyone* on DSL uses their lines. Anyone else had this experience? On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Yanni Chiu wrote: > Here's that Bell spokesperson discrediting himself: > > http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20247550-Jason-Laszlo-Bell-spokesmans-real-thoughts-on-this-issue > > He has recently updated his Facebook privacy settings so his "true face" is > no longer so public. > > > > JoeHill wrote: > > > James Knott wrote: > > > > > http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2782/125// > > > > > > > This is getting real big real fast: > > > > http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/03/28/tech-netneutrality.html > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 8 17:26:46 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:26:46 -0400 Subject: [Bulk] Re:Michael Geist - Bell Secretly Throttling Wholesale Internet Services? - UPDATED In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0804080958s7c1027b5p294796e14aa9f662-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47EA3022.5030701@rogers.com> <20080329132453.352f8d99@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EEF2F4.10201@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804080958s7c1027b5p294796e14aa9f662@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080408172646.GB2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 12:58:09PM -0400, Tyler Aviss wrote: > To add to the whole fun about how much Bell sucks. > > I buy my internet from Teksavvy. Unfortunately, as they're DSL, my > "last-mile" comes through Bell. That means that any issues regarding > the copper connection between my house (condo) and the CO are all in > Bell's hands. > > So, recently I called them in regards to the fact that when my > Dry-Loop connection was installed (by Bell), it broke the intercom > used for people to call into my unit (and request that I unlock the > door, etc). I have now been on and off of hold for about 2-3 hours, > and I think I've spoken at least once or twice to a person from every > department in Bell. The sympatico guys insist that it's a line issue. > The line guys say that it's a sympatico issue. Several departments > have told me that I need to pay for a phone installation to have it > work (despite the fact that others with no phone have a perfectly > functional buzzer). Do other people with no phone _and_ dry loop ADSL have it working? If so it may just be a matter of having to install the ADSL filters in the right places or something. Of course many newer (last 1 or 2 decades) buildings simply use the phone system directly for the intercom and dial your number rather than tapping into the phone line, which of course means no telephone service means no intercom, or you can have it go to a cell phone or something like that (Many people I know do have the intercom call their cell phone). > I would *really* love to see Bell taken to task in regards to the > crappy service they provide. I'm sure this isn't a new issue, as > pretty much *everyone* on DSL uses their lines. Anyone else had this > experience? Not me. I currently have cable not ADSL, and I live in a house, not an appartment. When I did live in an appartment a few years ago, the intercom system simply dialed my number to buzz in, which was fine most of the time, unless I was on the phone. Of course I also have a regular phone service as well. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 8 17:34:26 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:34:26 -0400 Subject: [Bulk] Re:Michael Geist - Bell Secretly Throttling Wholesale Internet Services? - UPDATED In-Reply-To: <20080408172646.GB2159-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47EA3022.5030701@rogers.com> <20080329132453.352f8d99@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EEF2F4.10201@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804080958s7c1027b5p294796e14aa9f662@mail.gmail.com> <20080408172646.GB2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0804081034g345727d1sfa26cb34bdc2e975@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 12:58:09PM -0400, Tyler Aviss wrote: > > To add to the whole fun about how much Bell sucks. > > > > I buy my internet from Teksavvy. Unfortunately, as they're DSL, my > > "last-mile" comes through Bell. That means that any issues regarding > > the copper connection between my house (condo) and the CO are all in > > Bell's hands. > > > > So, recently I called them in regards to the fact that when my > > Dry-Loop connection was installed (by Bell), it broke the intercom > > used for people to call into my unit (and request that I unlock the > > door, etc). I have now been on and off of hold for about 2-3 hours, > > and I think I've spoken at least once or twice to a person from every > > department in Bell. The sympatico guys insist that it's a line issue. > > The line guys say that it's a sympatico issue. Several departments > > have told me that I need to pay for a phone installation to have it > > work (despite the fact that others with no phone have a perfectly > > functional buzzer). > > Do other people with no phone _and_ dry loop ADSL have it working? No idea about dry-loop + no-phone, but it does work with no-phone so I know it doesn't have to dial a phone number (which is too bad because I'd love to have it call my cell). If a line-filter is required - which I suspect may be the case - then Bell should have done so at the time of install. Unfortunately, after over two hours of being put on-hold or disconnected, I've yet to even be transferring to a department that can address my issue without passing the buck. > If so it may just be a matter of having to install the ADSL filters in > the right places or something. Of course many newer (last 1 or 2 > decades) buildings simply use the phone system directly for the intercom > and dial your number rather than tapping into the phone line, which of > course means no telephone service means no intercom, or you can have it > go to a cell phone or something like that (Many people I know do have > the intercom call their cell phone). > > > > I would *really* love to see Bell taken to task in regards to the > > crappy service they provide. I'm sure this isn't a new issue, as > > pretty much *everyone* on DSL uses their lines. Anyone else had this > > experience? > > Not me. I currently have cable not ADSL, and I live in a house, not an > appartment. When I did live in an appartment a few years ago, the > intercom system simply dialed my number to buzz in, which was fine most > of the time, unless I was on the phone. Of course I also have a regular > phone service as well. > > -- > Len Sorensen > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 8 21:55:51 2008 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:55:51 -0400 Subject: OT: My laugh for the day Message-ID: <47FBE9E7.5010609@rogers.com> I get a daily newsletter from CNET and this was one of the featured articles: http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9914240-7.html?tag=nl.e433 I doubt that you could pay a comedy writer to come up with this stuff. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 9 02:09:41 2008 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:09:41 -0400 Subject: OT: Looking for PC133 RAM In-Reply-To: <20080408161403.GA2159-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47FB6CF7.7050502@pppoe.ca> <20080408161403.GA2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47FC2565.1010105@pppoe.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well according to Crucial the meory support is: > > Up to 2 x 256MB PC133 unbuffered non-ecc > > 256MB sticks MUST be "double sided" which means they use two chip select > lines per module. This normally means the module has 16 chips on it. > If it has only 8 chips, it will almost certainly not work. > > 128MB modules can have just 8 chips and be fine. > > That is the limitation of the intel 810 chipset. > > My Athlon 700 (Via KT133 chipset) has a similar limit, except it can use > single sided 256MB sticks, but must have double sided 512MB sticks and > maxes out at 3 x 512MB ram. > Thanks for the info, Lennart. I tried to look for the manual online but couldn't find it. Regards Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dl-VfU7g9ZgxX7GZwFJSaPsbg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 9 14:13:40 2008 From: dl-VfU7g9ZgxX7GZwFJSaPsbg at public.gmane.org (Tyler) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 10:13:40 -0400 Subject: [Bulk] Re:Michael Geist - Bell Secretly Throttling Wholesale Internet Services? - UPDATED In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0804081034g345727d1sfa26cb34bdc2e975-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47EA3022.5030701@rogers.com> <20080329132453.352f8d99@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EEF2F4.10201@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804080958s7c1027b5p294796e14aa9f662@mail.gmail.com> <20080408172646.GB2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef0804081034g345727d1sfa26cb34bdc2e975@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47FCCF14.20002@blackpacket.net> Tyler Aviss wrote: >> Do other people with no phone _and_ dry loop ADSL have it working? I don't see why this won't work. It certainly depends on your buzzer system, but if anything, the symptom should be that when someone hits your buzzer, it scrambles your DSL. Try using another pair: - Is the 2nd pair of your existing phone line used? - Do you have any extra pair run to your condo? >> > I would *really* love to see Bell taken to task in regards to the >> > crappy service they provide. I'm sure this isn't a new issue, as >> > pretty much *everyone* on DSL uses their lines. Anyone else had this >> > experience? Yes... I have a dry loop myself, and have had several issues just "pop up" with it. Irritating stuff like 90% packet loss for hours on end, then works fine for months. (Ended up being a bad CO-side modem.. lucky chance that Bell-authorized repair guy showed up while it was occurring.. he had no idea, so he started replacing stuff). I worked for a Teksavvy reseller for a while; I swear Bell would randomly mess up customer's lines for no reason. Why is the solution to any problem, "reduce the profile" (give them less bandwidth)? Is having them troubleshoot their network too much to ask? You have no idea how many tickets I put in, only to fire another ticket in to raise the profile back up. And honestly, a 48 hour service level OBJECTIVE? Ugh. Especially when 1 in 10 Bell requests takes over 48 hours. This means that a packet loss issue turns into a WEEK worth of tickets, a frustrated me, and an angry customer: packet loss ==> lower the profile problem still exists ==> [ignored] >48 hours priority push ==> [magic fix] raise the profile ==> back online at full speed I had a friend try to install non-Bell dry DSL into his condo. Bell sent over 5 or 6 techs to finally get it installed. It ran at 3Mbits unsteady, then fell to 1, then wouldn't sync at 128k. Bell was in & out of there for a solid two weeks trying to get it fixed. Despite having 25 unused pair run to his suite, they couldn't get it running. The best part is that Bell marked the install as complete, and started charging, so he had to fight to get a refund on the half-month of "service" he had received. Tyler -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 9 14:33:26 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 10:33:26 -0400 Subject: [Bulk] Re:Michael Geist - Bell Secretly Throttling Wholesale Internet Services? - UPDATED In-Reply-To: <47FCCF14.20002-VfU7g9ZgxX7GZwFJSaPsbg@public.gmane.org> References: <47EA3022.5030701@rogers.com> <20080329132453.352f8d99@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EEF2F4.10201@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804080958s7c1027b5p294796e14aa9f662@mail.gmail.com> <20080408172646.GB2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef0804081034g345727d1sfa26cb34bdc2e975@mail.gmail.com> <47FCCF14.20002@blackpacket.net> Message-ID: <47FCD3B6.7090802@rogers.com> Tyler wrote: > Tyler Aviss wrote: >>> Do other people with no phone _and_ dry loop ADSL have it working? > > I don't see why this won't work. It certainly depends on your buzzer > system, but if anything, the symptom should be that when someone hits > your buzzer, it scrambles your DSL. Try using another pair: > - Is the 2nd pair of your existing phone line used? > - Do you have any extra pair run to your condo? Also, filters will be required both at the phone and where the other end of the line connects to the intercom. However, a second pair into the condo would be the better solution. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 9 15:42:28 2008 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Samba and Vista In-Reply-To: <20080407155918.GA5113-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20080407155918.GA5113@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200612.20224.qm@web65604.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I have to get my Debian box to host some files for a bunch of Vista > boxes at work, and I am not having any success. Does someone have > a > smb.conf that they could post to help me out. I would ideally be > able > to prompt the Vista machine for a password and then put up files, > but I > am not having any luck. Thanks. > -- > > yours, > > William I don't think Vista needs anything special than Windows XP or Win2K unless you want AD setup. I hooked Vista when I got it onto the samba domain for windows 98/2k/XP and it is worked just fine. I had always access control glitch (windows is not able to see the Linux groups). But that is not a new issue with Vista. EK > > __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 9 18:16:38 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:16:38 -0400 Subject: [Bulk] Re:Michael Geist - Bell Secretly Throttling Wholesale Internet Services? - UPDATED In-Reply-To: <47FCD3B6.7090802-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47EA3022.5030701@rogers.com> <20080329132453.352f8d99@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47EEF2F4.10201@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804080958s7c1027b5p294796e14aa9f662@mail.gmail.com> <20080408172646.GB2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef0804081034g345727d1sfa26cb34bdc2e975@mail.gmail.com> <47FCCF14.20002@blackpacket.net> <47FCD3B6.7090802@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0804091116o669c2b96hbcf7853cf1d4103b@mail.gmail.com> I did install a filter on the phone. Not sure what happened with the wiring to the intercom as that's in the telco room. If I ever get through to Bell I'll see what happens and post an update... On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 10:33 AM, James Knott wrote: > Tyler wrote: > > > Tyler Aviss wrote: > > > > > > > > > Do other people with no phone _and_ dry loop ADSL have it working? > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see why this won't work. It certainly depends on your buzzer > system, but if anything, the symptom should be that when someone hits your > buzzer, it scrambles your DSL. Try using another pair: > > - Is the 2nd pair of your existing phone line used? > > - Do you have any extra pair run to your condo? > > > > Also, filters will be required both at the phone and where the other end of > the line connects to the intercom. However, a second pair into the condo > would be the better solution. > > > > -- > Use OpenOffice.org > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 9 18:19:40 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:19:40 -0400 Subject: Samba and Vista In-Reply-To: <200612.20224.qm-oJ4krsu4Cqb5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20080407155918.GA5113@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <200612.20224.qm@web65604.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0804091119p6e2375bbt2d0f9d5c58b4f713@mail.gmail.com> According to what I've been told, Vista home and Basic are pretty much neutered in regards to connecting with Samba shares. Are you running machines with "Home," if so it can apparently require a bit of hacking to get it to work... On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:42 AM, E K wrote: > > > --- William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > > > I have to get my Debian box to host some files for a bunch of Vista > > boxes at work, and I am not having any success. Does someone have > > a > > smb.conf that they could post to help me out. I would ideally be > > able > > to prompt the Vista machine for a password and then put up files, > > but I > > am not having any luck. Thanks. > > -- > > > > yours, > > > > William > > I don't think Vista needs anything special than Windows XP or Win2K > unless you want AD setup. I hooked Vista when I got it onto the samba > domain for windows 98/2k/XP and it is worked just fine. I had always > access control glitch (windows is not able to see the Linux groups). > But that is not a new issue with Vista. > > EK > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dgardiner0821-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 9 23:37:38 2008 From: dgardiner0821-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Daniel Gardiner) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 19:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser Message-ID: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Appears that I've just hit the 75% mark for the month, which was a surprise, but I was more surprised to find a message from Rogers in my web browser. http://www.flickr.com/photos/25488212%40N02/2401350055/ Also interesting, if I log into my Rogers account it doesn't affect those pages. Daniel -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 9 23:50:08 2008 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:50:08 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <544530.74133.qm-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47FD5630.5060108@dinamis.com> Daniel Gardiner wrote: > Appears that I've just hit the 75% mark for the month, > which was a surprise, but I was more surprised to find > a message from Rogers in my web browser. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/25488212%40N02/2401350055/ > > Also interesting, if I log into my Rogers account it > doesn't affect those pages. I didn't see a "Go fly a kite!" link. Shame, that. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 00:16:10 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 20:16:10 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <544530.74133.qm-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Daniel Gardiner wrote: > Appears that I've just hit the 75% mark for the month, > which was a surprise, but I was more surprised to find > a message from Rogers in my web browser. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/25488212%40N02/2401350055/ There is no guarantee that the message was not arranged with Google. Though I do not believe that Google would provide that sort of service for Rogers. Who knows, however... I am convinced that including that sort of message into Google pages without Google consent is a violation of Google copyrights. Perhaps you should let know Google about that incident and try to figure out together with them? zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dl-VfU7g9ZgxX7GZwFJSaPsbg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 01:52:33 2008 From: dl-VfU7g9ZgxX7GZwFJSaPsbg at public.gmane.org (Tyler) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:52:33 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <544530.74133.qm-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47FD72E1.9090400@blackpacket.net> This has been going on for a while... if memory serves, it's been longer than 5 months, but here's an article from back in December: http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/12/canadian-isps-p.html Tyler Daniel Gardiner wrote: > Appears that I've just hit the 75% mark for the month, > which was a surprise, but I was more surprised to find > a message from Rogers in my web browser. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/25488212%40N02/2401350055/ > > Also interesting, if I log into my Rogers account it > doesn't affect those pages. > > > Daniel > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 02:37:42 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 22:37:42 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <47FD72E1.9090400-VfU7g9ZgxX7GZwFJSaPsbg@public.gmane.org> References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47FD72E1.9090400@blackpacket.net> Message-ID: So, next time we should expect nessages inserted into our emails from Google, or from whatever provider one has email account from... Lets hope at least that they are not going to change the meaning of email messages received... zb. On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Tyler wrote: > This has been going on for a while... if memory serves, it's been longer > than 5 months, but here's an article from back in December: > > http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/12/canadian-isps-p.html > > Tyler > > > > > > Daniel Gardiner wrote: > > > Appears that I've just hit the 75% mark for the month, > > which was a surprise, but I was more surprised to find > > a message from Rogers in my web browser. > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/25488212%40N02/2401350055/ > > > > Also interesting, if I log into my Rogers account it > > doesn't affect those pages. > > > > > > Daniel > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 03:35:12 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:35:12 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment Message-ID: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> I have my new DLink Xtreme G 2.4GHz Wireless Router in a corner bedroom where my cable modem is. I want it to connect to my PS3 which is in the living room and about 35 feet away. But it goes through two walls. Concrete, steel reinforced, but not supporting walls. Wall width is about 2 inches. The signal is weak and flaky. I expected this to work far better than it does. I took my laptop into the living room, and experienced the same behaviour. Should I try to "fix" something? Or do I need to add a repeater in the middle room? Where could I buy a repeater like the DLink AirPlus in Toronto. Thanks Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 04:22:45 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:22:45 +0000 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FD8AF0.4040103-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0804092122k37e5428bu714e5d8f4d2ad037@mail.gmail.com> Perhaps the issue is with the D-Link products in general? I made the mistake of buying by-price and getting D-Link. Both of my last two D-Link wifi routers have been crap. Both have a tendency to need resetting after a certain period of time (they show up but I can't actually connect to them), and the first one had known bugs that were never fixed (the ability to use an external DHCP server, for example, was completely broken). Unfortunately I can't really recommend any competing wireless products either, as there hasn't been anything that really stood out. My experiences have been: Linksys: Some models better than others, but the last router I had was equal to any D-Link for range, and didn't have to be rebooted SMC: My (wired) Barricade router is awesome. I've had decent luck with many SMC products Motorola: Wireless USB card. Terrible drivers in windows, never got it working in 'nix Hope this didn't sound like a rant, others may be able to recommend products that might better serve your network, but I definately found that even D-Link's gold/extreme products weren't really getting the bang-for-your-buck that you might expect. On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:35 AM, Stephen wrote: > I have my new DLink Xtreme G 2.4GHz Wireless Router in a corner bedroom > where my cable modem is. > > I want it to connect to my PS3 which is in the living room and about 35 > feet away. But it goes through two walls. Concrete, steel reinforced, but > not supporting walls. Wall width is about 2 inches. > > The signal is weak and flaky. > > I expected this to work far better than it does. > > I took my laptop into the living room, and experienced the same behaviour. > > Should I try to "fix" something? > > Or do I need to add a repeater in the middle room? > > Where could I buy a repeater like the DLink AirPlus in Toronto. > > Thanks > Stephen > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 10:26:50 2008 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:26:50 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <544530.74133.qm-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>; from dgardiner0821-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org on Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 19:37:38 -0400 References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080410102650.GA9434@localhost> On Wed Apr 09,2008 07:37:38 PM Daniel Gardiner wrote: > Appears that I've just hit the 75% mark for the month, > which was a surprise, but I was more surprised to find > a message from Rogers in my web browser. Here's a couple of articles from a site affected by the issue, including responses from Rogers. -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 11:15:41 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:15:41 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FD8AF0.4040103-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47FDF6DD.2080100@rogers.com> Stephen wrote: > I have my new DLink Xtreme G 2.4GHz Wireless Router in a corner > bedroom where my cable modem is. > > I want it to connect to my PS3 which is in the living room and about > 35 feet away. But it goes through two walls. Concrete, steel > reinforced, but not supporting walls. Wall width is about 2 inches. > > The signal is weak and flaky. > > I expected this to work far better than it does. > > I took my laptop into the living room, and experienced the same > behaviour. > > Should I try to "fix" something? > > Or do I need to add a repeater in the middle room? > > Where could I buy a repeater like the DLink AirPlus in Toronto. > The reinforced concrete walls are what's killing your signal. Knock them out and you should be OK. ;-) Can you move the router, to get a better signal? -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 13:32:59 2008 From: Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Don Moskaluk) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:32:59 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FD8AF0.4040103-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> Message-ID: <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> Stephen Your problem with dlink is not unique. There are two problems, the radio card in your pc/laptop and radio Access Point. The type of protocol you are using such that 802.11b or g or N etc. plays a part of for your wireless network. If you don't want to buy a new router and radio card then you can do a few things to get better reception. First by a 5 dbi or better antenna. In fact buy any antenna that will boost the signal. Second change your channel to 11 it better for a number of reasons. Third move your access point and your pc/laptop away from the wall and increase the height. Forth reduce the bandwidth. Lets say you are using 802.11g move it down to 802.11b and do not use the extreme or range boosting device in dlink. Simply doing these two function will increase the distance and bandwidth. Check out the antenna at http://www.dlink.ca/products/?sec=0&pid=51 I think you said dlink. No need to buy new access point Sincerely, Don Moskaluk www.moskaluk.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 11:35 PM To: TO Linux User Group Subject: [TLUG]: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment I have my new DLink Xtreme G 2.4GHz Wireless Router in a corner bedroom where my cable modem is. I want it to connect to my PS3 which is in the living room and about 35 feet away. But it goes through two walls. Concrete, steel reinforced, but not supporting walls. Wall width is about 2 inches. The signal is weak and flaky. I expected this to work far better than it does. I took my laptop into the living room, and experienced the same behaviour. Should I try to "fix" something? Or do I need to add a repeater in the middle room? Where could I buy a repeater like the DLink AirPlus in Toronto. Thanks Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 13:45:57 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:45:57 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FDF6DD.2080100-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <47FDF6DD.2080100@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47FE1A15.8080704@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > I have my new DLink Xtreme G 2.4GHz Wireless Router in a corner > bedroom where my cable modem is. >> >> I want it to connect to my PS3 which is in the living room and about >> 35 feet away. But it goes through two walls. Concrete, steel >> reinforced, but not supporting walls. Wall width is about 2 inches. >> >> The signal is weak and flaky. >> >> I expected this to work far better than it does. >> >> I took my laptop into the living room, and experienced the same >> behaviour. >> >> Should I try to "fix" something? >> >> Or do I need to add a repeater in the middle room? >> >> Where could I buy a repeater like the DLink AirPlus in Toronto. >> > > The reinforced concrete walls are what's killing your signal. Knock > them out and you should be OK. ;-) > > Can you move the router, to get a better signal? > No. The router is beside my main computers. I thought the G band routers were supposed to do 100 ft in clear space. I figured the walls were an issue, but I hoped I could get 1/3 of the distance. I hope that I don't have to run wire. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 14:06:37 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:06:37 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <544530.74133.qm-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080410140637.GC2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 07:37:38PM -0400, Daniel Gardiner wrote: > Appears that I've just hit the 75% mark for the month, > which was a surprise, but I was more surprised to find > a message from Rogers in my web browser. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/25488212%40N02/2401350055/ > > Also interesting, if I log into my Rogers account it > doesn't affect those pages. They announced last summer that they would start inserting bandwidth warnings when you got close to your limit in a month into web pages you view. I have never seen it myself (I don't think I ever got past 25% of my monthly quota). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 14:16:07 2008 From: Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Don Moskaluk) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:16:07 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FE1A15.8080704-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <47FDF6DD.2080100@rogers.com> <47FE1A15.8080704@rogers.com> Message-ID: <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE5300@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> When you get a reduce signal strength you also loose bandwidth. The maximum bandwidth that I assume that you need is what you are getting from the Internet. So let say it a standard 3.0 MBPS connection or even an extreme connection the very best that you will get from 802.11B is 11MBPS actual through put would be more like 5 MBPS. If you reduce you bandwidth signal for a Maximum of 5 MBPS then you will get equal through put. Having more bandwidth or signal strength would be great but you loosing that coverage because of signal fade. You also have to worry about a frenzel the space between the high and low wave of your access point. You want to ensure that the unit is not on the floor or at the ceiling. If you are using linux as a client or access point there is a method that some radio cards have to actually boost the power of the signal strength. These cards normally have antheros or prism chipsets. I hope this helps? Don Moskaluk www.moskaluk.com/blogger.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:46 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment James Knott wrote: > I have my new DLink Xtreme G 2.4GHz Wireless Router in a corner > bedroom where my cable modem is. >> >> I want it to connect to my PS3 which is in the living room and about >> 35 feet away. But it goes through two walls. Concrete, steel >> reinforced, but not supporting walls. Wall width is about 2 inches. >> >> The signal is weak and flaky. >> >> I expected this to work far better than it does. >> >> I took my laptop into the living room, and experienced the same >> behaviour. >> >> Should I try to "fix" something? >> >> Or do I need to add a repeater in the middle room? >> >> Where could I buy a repeater like the DLink AirPlus in Toronto. >> > > The reinforced concrete walls are what's killing your signal. Knock > them out and you should be OK. ;-) > > Can you move the router, to get a better signal? > No. The router is beside my main computers. I thought the G band routers were supposed to do 100 ft in clear space. I figured the walls were an issue, but I hoped I could get 1/3 of the distance. I hope that I don't have to run wire. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dl-VfU7g9ZgxX7GZwFJSaPsbg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 14:16:28 2008 From: dl-VfU7g9ZgxX7GZwFJSaPsbg at public.gmane.org (Tyler) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:16:28 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FD8AF0.4040103-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47FE213C.902@blackpacket.net> Stephen wrote: > I want it to connect to my PS3 which is in the living room and about 35 > feet away. But it goes through two walls. Concrete, steel reinforced, > but not supporting walls. Wall width is about 2 inches. > > The signal is weak and flaky. Apartment buildings are usually festering with wireless noise. Other tenants could be running one (or more) wireless APs, 2.4ghz cordless phones, etc. The concrete walls are a big deterrent (actually, the rebar probably does more damage). Try changing channel... the common ones are 1, 6, and 11. Try switching to those and see if you get a better signal. Use netstumbler to see what channels are in use by other APs in the area, and set yours to a free channel. Beware that for each channel being used, the signal also uses 2 channels on each side, so if someone is using channel 6, they are also using: 4,5,7, and 8. If possible, move the AP to a more centralized location, preferably with the best line of sight. Tyler -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 14:29:27 2008 From: Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Don Moskaluk) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:29:27 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FE213C.902-VfU7g9ZgxX7GZwFJSaPsbg@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <47FE213C.902@blackpacket.net> Message-ID: <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE5330@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> Stephen one more thing about 802.11 the ESSID needs to be unique. The standards indicated that you can inoperability between units that means it handles noise well. Other worlds it plays well with all other wi-fi devices. If it was too noisy your connection would not work. I currently operating a wireless mesh for the last five years and have over 250 different 802.11 signals affecting my units nevertheless having the right antennae will help you out tremendously. The funny thing was when I got my first dlink router. I was so disappointed that I built my own. Don't go to that extreme. Sincerely, Don Moskaluk www.moskaluk.com/papers.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Tyler Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:16 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment Stephen wrote: > I want it to connect to my PS3 which is in the living room and about 35 > feet away. But it goes through two walls. Concrete, steel reinforced, > but not supporting walls. Wall width is about 2 inches. > > The signal is weak and flaky. Apartment buildings are usually festering with wireless noise. Other tenants could be running one (or more) wireless APs, 2.4ghz cordless phones, etc. The concrete walls are a big deterrent (actually, the rebar probably does more damage). Try changing channel... the common ones are 1, 6, and 11. Try switching to those and see if you get a better signal. Use netstumbler to see what channels are in use by other APs in the area, and set yours to a free channel. Beware that for each channel being used, the signal also uses 2 channels on each side, so if someone is using channel 6, they are also using: 4,5,7, and 8. If possible, move the AP to a more centralized location, preferably with the best line of sight. Tyler -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 15:09:16 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:09:16 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B-w+OTI24GFiz8ZFmqfy9Q2e0uAHfiz9XCI6otxJDipUGw7v2zf2itdNJR4SXAr38/@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> Message-ID: <47FE2D9C.2000703@rogers.com> Don Moskaluk wrote: > Stephen > > Your problem with dlink is not unique. There are two problems, the > radio card in your pc/laptop and radio Access Point. > > The type of protocol you are using such that 802.11b or g or N etc. > plays a part of for your wireless network. > > If you don't want to buy a new router and radio card then you can do a > few things to get better reception. > > First by a 5 dbi or better antenna. In fact buy any antenna that will > boost the signal. > > Second change your channel to 11 it better for a number of reasons. What's so special about Ch 11? Normally, you'd select whatever channel has the least users. Some routers do that automagically. > > Third move your access point and your pc/laptop away from the wall and > increase the height. > > Forth reduce the bandwidth. Lets say you are using 802.11g move it down > to 802.11b and do not use the extreme or range boosting device in dlink. Due to the different modulation method, g is often better than b. > > Simply doing these two function will increase the distance and > bandwidth. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 15:11:54 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:11:54 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FE1A15.8080704-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <47FDF6DD.2080100@rogers.com> <47FE1A15.8080704@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47FE2E3A.7050301@rogers.com> Stephen wrote: > James Knott wrote: >> I have my new DLink Xtreme G 2.4GHz Wireless Router in a corner >> bedroom where my cable modem is. >>> >>> I want it to connect to my PS3 which is in the living room and about >>> 35 feet away. But it goes through two walls. Concrete, steel >>> reinforced, but not supporting walls. Wall width is about 2 inches. >>> >>> The signal is weak and flaky. >>> >>> I expected this to work far better than it does. >>> >>> I took my laptop into the living room, and experienced the same >>> behaviour. >>> >>> Should I try to "fix" something? >>> >>> Or do I need to add a repeater in the middle room? >>> >>> Where could I buy a repeater like the DLink AirPlus in Toronto. >>> >> >> The reinforced concrete walls are what's killing your signal. Knock >> them out and you should be OK. ;-) >> >> Can you move the router, to get a better signal? >> > No. The router is beside my main computers. Is there some reason it can't be moved? > > I thought the G band routers were supposed to do 100 ft in clear space. > I figured the walls were an issue, but I hoped I could get 1/3 of the > distance. Reinforced concrete is very effective at blocking signals. If those walls were drywall, you'd probably be OK. > > I hope that I don't have to run wire. > > Stephen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 15:17:15 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:17:15 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FE213C.902-VfU7g9ZgxX7GZwFJSaPsbg@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <47FE213C.902@blackpacket.net> Message-ID: <47FE2F7B.60004@rogers.com> Tyler wrote: > Stephen wrote: >> I want it to connect to my PS3 which is in the living room and about >> 35 feet away. But it goes through two walls. Concrete, steel >> reinforced, but not supporting walls. Wall width is about 2 inches. >> >> The signal is weak and flaky. > > Apartment buildings are usually festering with wireless noise. Other > tenants could be running one (or more) wireless APs, 2.4ghz cordless > phones, etc. The concrete walls are a big deterrent (actually, the > rebar probably does more damage). Steel mesh is also often used, particularly in floors. > > Try changing channel... the common ones are 1, 6, and 11. Try > switching to those and see if you get a better signal. > > Use netstumbler to see what channels are in use by other APs in the > area, and set yours to a free channel. Beware that for each channel > being used, the signal also uses 2 channels on each side, so if someone > is using channel 6, they are also using: 4,5,7, and 8. Most of the energy is close to the carrier frequency, so if there's a lot of traffic on 1, 6 & 11, choosing a channel in between may work better. > > If possible, move the AP to a more centralized location, preferably with > the best line of sight. > > Tyler > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 16:16:47 2008 From: Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Don Moskaluk) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:16:47 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FE2F7B.60004-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <47FE213C.902@blackpacket.net> <47FE2F7B.60004@rogers.com> Message-ID: <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE5427@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> Dlink specs. Wireless Transmit Power: * 15dBm (32mW) 2dB (Control TX power level from full, 50%, 25%, 125% and min.) Receiver Sensitivity: * 54Mbps OFDM, 10% PER,-66dBm) * 48Mbps OFDM, 10% PER,-71dBm * 36Mbps OFDM, 10% PER,-76dBm * 24Mbps OFDM, 10% PER,-80dBm * 18Mbps OFDM, 10% PER,-83dBm * 12Mbps OFDM, 10% PER,-85dBm * 11Mbps CCK, 8% PER,-83dBm * 9Mbps OFDM, 10% PER,-86dBm * 6Mbps OFDM, 10% PER,-87dBm * 2Mbps QPSK, 8% PER,-89dBm External Antenna Type: * 1.0dB Dipole with reverse SMA connector As you can see the power level in the dlink AP is fairly low at 15dBM. Generally you can use up to 200 mW; however, if you can't change out your radio card you may need to increase your antenna size to get that level. As you can see from the Receiver Sensitivity the lower the MPBS the higher the strength dBM. Reducing the speed does have a benefit for getting more power out. The external antenna is only 1 dBM. Increasing will affect both receiving and sending signals. On your Linux box if you do have a radio card you can also change the signals strengths. That why Linux is fun to use! Sincerely, Don Moskaluk http://moskaluk.com/voip_using_wireless_mesh_infrast.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of James Knott Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:17 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment Tyler wrote: > Stephen wrote: >> I want it to connect to my PS3 which is in the living room and about >> 35 feet away. But it goes through two walls. Concrete, steel >> reinforced, but not supporting walls. Wall width is about 2 inches. >> >> The signal is weak and flaky. > > Apartment buildings are usually festering with wireless noise. Other > tenants could be running one (or more) wireless APs, 2.4ghz cordless > phones, etc. The concrete walls are a big deterrent (actually, the > rebar probably does more damage). Steel mesh is also often used, particularly in floors. > > Try changing channel... the common ones are 1, 6, and 11. Try > switching to those and see if you get a better signal. > > Use netstumbler to see what channels are in use by other APs in the > area, and set yours to a free channel. Beware that for each channel > being used, the signal also uses 2 channels on each side, so if someone > is using channel 6, they are also using: 4,5,7, and 8. Most of the energy is close to the carrier frequency, so if there's a lot of traffic on 1, 6 & 11, choosing a channel in between may work better. > > If possible, move the AP to a more centralized location, preferably with > the best line of sight. > > Tyler > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 16:35:06 2008 From: andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Malcolmson) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:35:06 -0400 Subject: OT: where to buy eBox 4300 In-Reply-To: <20080325190535.GB19968-LMpBBneordZSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <1206028660.27850.1243480437@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20080325190535.GB19968@amtoo.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20080410163505.GA30817@btd248.bangthedrum.net> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 03:05:35PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:57:40AM -0400, Andrew Malcolmson wrote: > > > Anyone know of an Ontario or Canadian source for one of these? > > > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4708024578.html > > This looks like Just What I've Been Waiting For. Did you ever find an > Ontarian/Canadian source? > As I look I'm finding more and more (mostly not Canadian) sources for both desktop and network appliance type ultra-low power, small, silent devices. Built-in CF card to IDE adapter for using flash storage instead of hard drives seems to be a trend. A Toronto company Koolu sells 2 models of little silent AMD Geode based boxes. I bought the 'Flash Appliance' with 1G non-removable flash storage - mostly intended as a thin client - which I'm running Damn Small Linux on now. http://shop.koolu.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=3 This on-line retailer does mini-PC sales www.minipc.ca This Ottawa-area on-line store specializes in networking oriented devices (i.e fewer or no USB, extra ethernet or mini-PCI slots for wireless cards, usually no VGA) http://www.xagyl.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 16:55:32 2008 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:55:32 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <544530.74133.qm-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080410125532.21f47053.tleslie@tcn.net> i ran over the max with cogeco, i think it shuts down the account at 20% over stated max. For "first offence" they give something like a GB per three days to help you get through the month. i didnt ask what happens on 2nd and more offences. I was doing a lot of blu ray downloads from torrents that month:( usually i dont get close to the 60GB (close to 80GB before auto shutdown). personally i don't blame them for doing this, if everyone was none stop downloading blu ray vid's etc, ones general internet experience would be pretty poor i'd imagine. Having said that, 2 blu ray movies kills your entire alloted GB with just the two movies :( Me thinks because of that, the movie industry has kind of a built in copy protection with blu ray because their 40GB per movie :( How longs it going to be before the high end internet accounts from providers will be many TB's limits - to allow for full rampage of snarfing many blu ray's per month? I some how doubt it will be anytime soon. -tl On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 19:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Daniel Gardiner wrote: > Appears that I've just hit the 75% mark for the month, > which was a surprise, but I was more surprised to find > a message from Rogers in my web browser. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/25488212%40N02/2401350055/ > > Also interesting, if I log into my Rogers account it > doesn't affect those pages. > > > Daniel > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 17:22:01 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:22:01 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <20080410125532.21f47053.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080410125532.21f47053.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <47FE4CB9.4000600@rogers.com> ted leslie wrote: > i ran over the max with cogeco, i think it shuts down the > account at 20% over stated max. > For "first offence" > they give something like a GB per three days > to help you get through the month. > > i didnt ask what happens on 2nd and more offences. > With Rogers, you're now charged for the amount you've gone over and also receive a couple of warning notes. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 10 17:37:20 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:37:20 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <20080410125532.21f47053.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080410125532.21f47053.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <20080410173720.GC9820@watson-wilson.ca> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:55:32PM -0400, ted leslie wrote: >personally i don't blame them for doing this, >if everyone was none stop downloading blu ray vid's etc, >ones general internet experience would be pretty poor >i'd imagine. Then why do the provider's advertisements give the very clear impression that you can do just that if you subscribe to their service? -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 04:43:12 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:43:12 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B-w+OTI24GFiz8ZFmqfy9Q2e0uAHfiz9XCI6otxJDipUGw7v2zf2itdNJR4SXAr38/@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> Message-ID: <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> Don Moskaluk wrote: > First by a 5 dbi or better antenna. In fact buy any antenna that will > boost the signal. > > Second change your channel to 11 it better for a number of reasons. > > Third move your access point and your pc/laptop away from the wall and > increase the height. > > Forth reduce the bandwidth. Lets say you are using 802.11g move it down > to 802.11b and do not use the extreme or range boosting device in dlink. > > Simply doing these two function will increase the distance and > bandwidth. > > Check out the antenna at http://www.dlink.ca/products/?sec=0&pid=51 I > think you said dlink. No need to buy new access point > I got a 7 dbi antenna. I tried channel 11, and also auto select Super G mode disabled extended range disabled G only mode disabled Moved the router and away from everything. Put the antenna up higher. Still the PS3 can't get a useful signal I think I need to run wire through one wall and connect the old SMC router there. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 09:42:06 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:42:06 +0300 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <20080410173720.GC9820-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080410125532.21f47053.tleslie@tcn.net> <20080410173720.GC9820@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: 2008/4/10 Neil Watson : > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:55:32PM -0400, ted leslie wrote: > > > personally i don't blame them for doing this, > > if everyone was none stop downloading blu ray vid's etc, > > ones general internet experience would be pretty poor > > i'd imagine. > > > > Then why do the provider's advertisements give the very clear impression > that you can do just that if you subscribe to their service? > -- Very good question. They should not put the "unlimited" word on their contract if they know they can't offer such service. Otherwise, they will have broken the contract if they later start to apply limits. With a good lawyer, someone can successfully sue them for that - I think. Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 11:07:35 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:07:35 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FEEC60.6060909-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47FF4677.60502@rogers.com> Stephen wrote: > Don Moskaluk wrote: >> First by a 5 dbi or better antenna. In fact buy any antenna that will >> boost the signal. >> Second change your channel to 11 it better for a number of reasons. >> >> Third move your access point and your pc/laptop away from the wall and >> increase the height. >> >> Forth reduce the bandwidth. Lets say you are using 802.11g move it down >> to 802.11b and do not use the extreme or range boosting device in dlink. >> >> Simply doing these two function will increase the distance and >> bandwidth. >> >> Check out the antenna at http://www.dlink.ca/products/?sec=0&pid=51 I >> think you said dlink. No need to buy new access point >> > > I got a 7 dbi antenna. > I tried channel 11, and also auto select > Super G mode disabled > extended range disabled > G only mode disabled > > Moved the router and away from everything. Put the antenna up higher. > > Still the PS3 can't get a useful signal > Is it only the PS3 that has the problem? What about a notebook computer? -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 11:14:28 2008 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:14:28 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080410125532.21f47053.tleslie@tcn.net> <20080410173720.GC9820@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <4386c5b20804110414q69805847oa5e801af1d186716@mail.gmail.com> > Very good question. They should not put the "unlimited" word on their > contract if they know they can't offer such service. Otherwise, they > will have broken the contract if they later start to apply limits. Well, at least now, Rogers is no longer using that dirty "u" word. Their site now shows the monthly cap pretty clearly. So only current customers are the "bait 'n' switch" victims. :-P Cheers, Aaron. -- Aaron Vegh, Principal Innoveghtive Inc. P: (647) 477-2690 C: (905) 924-1220 www.innoveghtive.com www.website-in-a-day.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 13:13:53 2008 From: Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Don Moskaluk) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:13:53 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FEEC60.6060909-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> Message-ID: <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE56F6@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> Move the PS3 away from the TV. If you are using old style tude it has a large electrical field and will interfere with the signal. Don Moskaluk -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:43 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment Don Moskaluk wrote: > First by a 5 dbi or better antenna. In fact buy any antenna that will > boost the signal. > > Second change your channel to 11 it better for a number of reasons. > > Third move your access point and your pc/laptop away from the wall and > increase the height. > > Forth reduce the bandwidth. Lets say you are using 802.11g move it down > to 802.11b and do not use the extreme or range boosting device in dlink. > > Simply doing these two function will increase the distance and > bandwidth. > > Check out the antenna at http://www.dlink.ca/products/?sec=0&pid=51 I > think you said dlink. No need to buy new access point > I got a 7 dbi antenna. I tried channel 11, and also auto select Super G mode disabled extended range disabled G only mode disabled Moved the router and away from everything. Put the antenna up higher. Still the PS3 can't get a useful signal I think I need to run wire through one wall and connect the old SMC router there. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 13:35:41 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:35:41 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FF4677.60502-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> <47FF4677.60502@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47FF692D.8040105@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > Stephen wrote: >> Don Moskaluk wrote: >>> First by a 5 dbi or better antenna. In fact buy any antenna that will >>> boost the signal. Second change your channel to 11 it better for a >>> number of reasons. >>> >>> Third move your access point and your pc/laptop away from the wall and >>> increase the height. >>> >>> Forth reduce the bandwidth. Lets say you are using 802.11g move it >>> down >>> to 802.11b and do not use the extreme or range boosting device in >>> dlink. >>> >>> Simply doing these two function will increase the distance and >>> bandwidth. >>> >>> Check out the antenna at http://www.dlink.ca/products/?sec=0&pid=51 I >>> think you said dlink. No need to buy new access point >>> >> >> I got a 7 dbi antenna. >> I tried channel 11, and also auto select >> Super G mode disabled >> extended range disabled >> G only mode disabled >> >> Moved the router and away from everything. Put the antenna up higher. >> >> Still the PS3 can't get a useful signal >> > > Is it only the PS3 that has the problem? What about a notebook computer? > The notebook does no better. I am wondering what they have in the walls in my building. I also wonder how long the wire from the router to the antenna can be? Can I add an extension cable to get the antenna into the middle room? Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 13:37:52 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:37:52 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE56F6-w+OTI24GFiz8ZFmqfy9Q2e0uAHfiz9XCI6otxJDipUGw7v2zf2itdNJR4SXAr38/@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE56F6@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> Message-ID: <47FF69B0.9040703@rogers.com> Don Moskaluk wrote: > Move the PS3 away from the TV. If you are using old style tude it has a > large electrical field and will interfere with the signal. > > The TV is a brand new flat screen. And I would need a new and longer HDMI cable. But the notebook computer did no better getting and keeping a connection. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 13:38:25 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:38:25 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080410125532.21f47053.tleslie@tcn.net> <20080410173720.GC9820@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20080411133825.GD2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:42:06PM +0300, William Muriithi wrote: > Very good question. They should not put the "unlimited" word on their > contract if they know they can't offer such service. Otherwise, they > will have broken the contract if they later start to apply limits. > > With a good lawyer, someone can successfully sue them for that - I think. I have never seen any advertisement saying unlimited from rogers. I know when I signed up the cap was 60GB/month, and it later became 100GB and now seems to be 95GB. I imagine they also reserved the right to change plans and terms in the future so even if they were once upon a time unlimited, they certainly aren't anymore. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 13:56:05 2008 From: Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Don Moskaluk) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:56:05 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FF69B0.9040703-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE56F6@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FF69B0.9040703@rogers.com> Message-ID: <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE5744@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> How is the signal in the room that has the dlink? Don Moskaluk -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:38 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment Don Moskaluk wrote: > Move the PS3 away from the TV. If you are using old style tude it has a > large electrical field and will interfere with the signal. > > The TV is a brand new flat screen. And I would need a new and longer HDMI cable. But the notebook computer did no better getting and keeping a connection. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 14:10:47 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:10:47 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE5744-w+OTI24GFiz8ZFmqfy9Q2e0uAHfiz9XCI6otxJDipUGw7v2zf2itdNJR4SXAr38/@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE56F6@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FF69B0.9040703@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE5744@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> Message-ID: <47FF7167.8070607@rogers.com> Don Moskaluk wrote: > How is the signal in the room that has the dlink > Windows laptop reports "Very good" Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 14:20:02 2008 From: Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Don Moskaluk) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:20:02 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FF7167.8070607-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE56F6@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FF69B0.9040703@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE5744@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FF7167.8070607@rogers.com> Message-ID: <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE5771@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> At what point do you loose the signal? Don Moskaluk -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:11 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment Don Moskaluk wrote: > How is the signal in the room that has the dlink > Windows laptop reports "Very good" Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 14:37:05 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:37:05 -0400 Subject: syncing data across machines automatically Message-ID: <1f13df280804110737k5f7de01ane6eac99b620bfbad@mail.gmail.com> I have a friend who wants to synchronize data across three machines: two Intel-based, one running Fedora, one running Ubuntu, and the final machine running Solaris 10 on an Ultra 60. I initially recommended rsync which I use to update my domain hosting site. But I'm not sure rsync is the answer when data is generated on all three machines and will preferably be synced to the other two on a regular basis automatically (cron job). How to do this securely is beyond me. The friend is in the state of Georgia and I won't be laying hands on the machines myself: but he's quite good at reading manuals and working with computers. However we're in dire need of pointers. Thanks! -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 14:39:56 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:39:56 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE5771-w+OTI24GFiz8ZFmqfy9Q2e0uAHfiz9XCI6otxJDipUGw7v2zf2itdNJR4SXAr38/@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE56F6@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FF69B0.9040703@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE5744@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FF7167.8070607@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE5771@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> Message-ID: <47FF783C.90801@rogers.com> Don Moskaluk wrote: > At what point do you loose the signal? > > About 10 feet down the hall. At which point the signal would have to go through two walls on an angle. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 14:40:16 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:40:16 -0400 Subject: syncing data across machines automatically In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804110737k5f7de01ane6eac99b620bfbad-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804110737k5f7de01ane6eac99b620bfbad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080411144016.GE2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:37:05AM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > I have a friend who wants to synchronize data across three machines: > two Intel-based, one running Fedora, one running Ubuntu, and the final > machine running Solaris 10 on an Ultra 60. I initially recommended > rsync which I use to update my domain hosting site. But I'm not sure > rsync is the answer when data is generated on all three machines and > will preferably be synced to the other two on a regular basis > automatically (cron job). How to do this securely is beyond me. The > friend is in the state of Georgia and I won't be laying hands on the > machines myself: but he's quite good at reading manuals and working > with computers. However we're in dire need of pointers. Thanks! rsync over ssh is quite nice. That's what I would use. unison might be another option which might fit this case better. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 15:02:13 2008 From: Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Don Moskaluk) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:02:13 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FF783C.90801-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE56F6@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FF69B0.9040703@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE5744@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FF7167.8070607@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE5771@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FF783C.90801@rogers.com> Message-ID: <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE57E1@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> Not want to state the obvious but something is not functioning properly at access point. It may be your antenna or access point it self. Try to remove the antenna totally and verify the distance. Ensure that antenna has the proper connection such that it has male and female connectors (reverse sma can connect together but there is no male.) If you get the same result with or with out the antenna then it an antenna problem. If the result is better with antenna then your require a stronger access point ( if you looking for off the shelf you can use Linksys or senao they both have 200 mW radio cards in them). Don Moskaluk -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:40 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment Don Moskaluk wrote: > At what point do you loose the signal? > > About 10 feet down the hall. At which point the signal would have to go through two walls on an angle. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 15:14:21 2008 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:14:21 -0400 Subject: syncing data across machines automatically In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804110737k5f7de01ane6eac99b620bfbad-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804110737k5f7de01ane6eac99b620bfbad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080411151421.GN30006@adb.ca> Giles Orr wrote: > ... But I'm not sure > rsync is the answer when data is generated on all three machines and > will preferably be synced to the other two on a regular basis > automatically (cron job). How to do this securely is beyond me. ... Unison is definitely a good thing if changes happen both ways. Sample, for the two-machine case: $ cat .unison/oban.prf root = /home/adb/shared_data root = ssh://oban//home/adb/shared_data log = true batch = true $ unison -ui=text oban This will transfer any new files from either to the other when I run the latter command (scripting and ssh passkeys are up to you), and if a file is modified on one side but not the other (the destination's copy hasn't changed since the last unison run) it will copy the changes. If a file that it remembers existing on both machines has been deleted on one end it will delete it from the other. It will complain if nonidentical changes happened to a file and it needs you to manually resolve what the file should say. Batch mode tells it not to prompt you for each change. It's happy if a change happened identically to both ends while it wasn't watching, so (given machines A, B, and C) if an A-B and A-C sync happened, then B-C should be happy, or you can simply have two clients sync against a server or a client sync against both servers; you don't have to have the third leg configured if the changes get across via the machine in the middle. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 15:21:40 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: IT360 follow-ups... Message-ID: <659511.72688.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I would like to get people's reaction to the IT360 show, what was good/bad/indifferent... We did get some left-over swag from "Linux Pro Magazine" booth and the Asterisk user group. So, anyone interested in any of the following items (or an example of multiple items): - Linux Pro Magazine issue 89 - April 2008 - Ubuntu 6.06 DVD - The Best Small Distros DVD - AsteriskNOW for Dummies - Digium Edition should get in touch. I will (as supplies last) be bringing the above items to the next NewTLUG and GTALug meetings. If anyone really wants the above bits you can arrange to pick them up from my home (near Yonge & Eglinton). Another freebee, I burned more copies of the DVD to go with my presentation than planned. This means anyone interesting in a DVD with a copy of a live Linux games iso, and a copy of "Damn Vulnerable Linux" (among other bits) should be in touch. "Damn Vulnerable Linux" (DVL) is not a joke, this is a security training tool, a distro. where all the security settings have been done BADLY. Basicly you set-up a box off the Internet, put DVL on it and start hunting for/fixing problems (there are LOTS of them :-) ). So, if anyone wants a copy of said DVD, let me know. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 15:40:50 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:40:50 +0000 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FEEC60.6060909-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0804110840t402590eem3887fa4bac3abba2@mail.gmail.com> Is there any reason that the wifi unit has to be in its current location? Could you relocate it a bit (possible with a long'ish ethernet cable, if necessary) to get a better signal > > Third move your access point and your pc/laptop away from the wall and > > increase the height. > > > > Forth reduce the bandwidth. Lets say you are using 802.11g move it down > > to 802.11b and do not use the extreme or range boosting device in dlink. > > > > Simply doing these two function will increase the distance and > > bandwidth. > > > > Check out the antenna at http://www.dlink.ca/products/?sec=0&pid=51 I > > think you said dlink. No need to buy new access point > > > > > > I got a 7 dbi antenna. > I tried channel 11, and also auto select > Super G mode disabled > extended range disabled > G only mode disabled > > Moved the router and away from everything. Put the antenna up higher. > > Still the PS3 can't get a useful signal > > I think I need to run wire through one wall and connect the old SMC router > there. > > > > Stephen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 16:32:26 2008 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:32:26 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FF692D.8040105-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> <47FF4677.60502@rogers.com> <47FF692D.8040105@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47FF929A.70408@rogers.com> Stephen wrote: > > > I am wondering what they have in the walls in my building. > Steel rebar (anode) is used to reinforce concrete and in older buildings can be found not only in the floors but also in the walls. Rebar is sprayed with zinc (cathode) to prevent corrosion. The resulting electric current can and often does interfere with wireless signal transmission. If the walls in your apartment are plaster over concrete (as opposed to drywall over framing) then the conditions above probably reflect your situation and your best bet is going to be a wired connection between your router and your game console. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 18:12:15 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:12:15 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE56F6-w+OTI24GFiz8ZFmqfy9Q2e0uAHfiz9XCI6otxJDipUGw7v2zf2itdNJR4SXAr38/@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE56F6@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> Message-ID: <47FFA9FF.3070407@rogers.com> Don Moskaluk wrote: > Move the PS3 away from the TV. If you are using old style tude it has a > large electrical field and will interfere with the signal. Given that any TV manufactured in the past few decades has to meet interference specs, I'd be surprised if one puts out significant energy at 2.4 GHz, which is much higher than any frequency used in a TV. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 18:19:36 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:19:36 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FF692D.8040105-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> <47FF4677.60502@rogers.com> <47FF692D.8040105@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47FFABB8.9040404@rogers.com> Stephen wrote: > The notebook does no better. > > I am wondering what they have in the walls in my building. I thought you said reinforced concrete. It is used in any load bearing walls. You can hear the difference between reinforced concrete and drywall, when you knock on the wall. > > I also wonder how long the wire from the router to the antenna can be? > Can I add an extension cable to get the antenna into the middle room? Cables tend to be very lossy at those frequencies. You want to keep the cable as short as possible. That is why I suggested moving the router. There are repeaters available, though I've never seen one in a store. You have to place it where it has a connection with both locations. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 18:22:57 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:22:57 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FF69B0.9040703-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE56F6@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FF69B0.9040703@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47FFAC81.1080908@rogers.com> Stephen wrote: > Don Moskaluk wrote: >> Move the PS3 away from the TV. If you are using old style tude it has a >> large electrical field and will interfere with the signal. >> > The TV is a brand new flat screen. And I would need a new and longer > HDMI cable. > > But the notebook computer did no better getting and keeping a connection. You can monitor your signal strength, as you move a notebook computer around your condo, to see where the good/bad spots are. If you place your router where you want to use the PS3 you can use that method to find where you can place the router to get a good signal into that area. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 18:24:01 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:24:01 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <20080411133825.GD2159-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080410125532.21f47053.tleslie@tcn.net> <20080410173720.GC9820@watson-wilson.ca> <20080411133825.GD2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47FFACC1.6080305@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:42:06PM +0300, William Muriithi wrote: >> Very good question. They should not put the "unlimited" word on their >> contract if they know they can't offer such service. Otherwise, they >> will have broken the contract if they later start to apply limits. >> >> With a good lawyer, someone can successfully sue them for that - I think. > > I have never seen any advertisement saying unlimited from rogers. I > know when I signed up the cap was 60GB/month, and it later became 100GB > and now seems to be 95GB. > > I imagine they also reserved the right to change plans and terms in the > future so even if they were once upon a time unlimited, they certainly > aren't anymore. > You may recall the "unlimited" dial up plans, where they'd dump your call after so many hours. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 18:37:10 2008 From: Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Don Moskaluk) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:37:10 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FE2D9C.2000703-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FE2D9C.2000703@rogers.com> Message-ID: <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0F1AD9A@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> Hmm. James primary AP on channel 11 as it has a few more milliwatts than the other channels and yes the modulation is longer in 802.11b it also seems to have less errors than "G". Most commercial programs that use wireless use these best practices. Don Moskaluk -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of James Knott Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:09 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment Don Moskaluk wrote: > Stephen > > Your problem with dlink is not unique. There are two problems, the > radio card in your pc/laptop and radio Access Point. > > The type of protocol you are using such that 802.11b or g or N etc. > plays a part of for your wireless network. > > If you don't want to buy a new router and radio card then you can do a > few things to get better reception. > > First by a 5 dbi or better antenna. In fact buy any antenna that will > boost the signal. > > Second change your channel to 11 it better for a number of reasons. What's so special about Ch 11? Normally, you'd select whatever channel has the least users. Some routers do that automagically. > > Third move your access point and your pc/laptop away from the wall and > increase the height. > > Forth reduce the bandwidth. Lets say you are using 802.11g move it down > to 802.11b and do not use the extreme or range boosting device in dlink. Due to the different modulation method, g is often better than b. > > Simply doing these two function will increase the distance and > bandwidth. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 18:42:58 2008 From: Don.Moskaluk-qw45nNPI8JxBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Don Moskaluk) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:42:58 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FFA9FF.3070407-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE56F6@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FFA9FF.3070407@rogers.com> Message-ID: <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0F1ADB2@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> However with old fashion tube TV a big magnet is at the back of each set. I had a similar situation in which I had a Xbox working beside an old tube tv. Everything works well until the wireless was added and the connection could not be made. A wireless Bridge was installed and it was position about five feet from the tv. Cat5e cable link the xbox and bridge (Senao) and problem solved. Don Moskaluk -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of James Knott Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 2:12 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment Don Moskaluk wrote: > Move the PS3 away from the TV. If you are using old style tude it has a > large electrical field and will interfere with the signal. Given that any TV manufactured in the past few decades has to meet interference specs, I'd be surprised if one puts out significant energy at 2.4 GHz, which is much higher than any frequency used in a TV. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 18:51:29 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:51:29 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FF929A.70408-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> <47FF4677.60502@rogers.com> <47FF692D.8040105@rogers.com> <47FF929A.70408@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47FFB331.2030308@rogers.com> John McGregor wrote: > Stephen wrote: >> >> I am wondering what they have in the walls in my building. >> > Steel rebar (anode) is used to reinforce concrete and in older buildings > can be found not only in the floors but also in the walls. Rebar is > sprayed with zinc (cathode) to prevent corrosion. The resulting electric > current can and often does interfere with wireless signal transmission. I think you've got that a bit mixed up. The zinc becomes a sacrificial anode, which then protects the steel from corrosion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrificial_anode Also, where is this current flowing? There has to be some circuit for current to flow. Also, any current flow resulting from this should be direct current and not something anywhere near 2.4 GHz. > > If the walls in your apartment are plaster over concrete (as opposed to > drywall over framing) then the conditions above probably reflect your > situation and your best bet is going to be a wired connection between > your router and your game console. > > John > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 19:08:38 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:08:38 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0F1ADB2-w+OTI24GFiz8ZFmqfy9Q2e0uAHfiz9XCI6otxJDipUGw7v2zf2itdNJR4SXAr38/@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE56F6@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FFA9FF.3070407@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0F1ADB2@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> Message-ID: <47FFB736.1040404@rogers.com> Don Moskaluk wrote: > However with old fashion tube TV a big magnet is at the back of each > set. I had a similar situation in which I had a Xbox working beside an > old tube tv. Everything works well until the wireless was added and the > connection could not be made. A wireless Bridge was installed and it > was position about five feet from the tv. Cat5e cable link the xbox and > bridge (Senao) and problem solved. I assume you're referring to the deflection coils, one running at about 60 Hz and the other at 15.75 KHz. Both frequencies are well below 2.4 GHz. Magnetic fields don't affect RF, at least not at any strength you're likely to encounter. You're more likely to have problems with a microwave oven or cordless phone, which do operate in the same range as WiFi. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 20:00:09 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:00:09 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <47FFACC1.6080305-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080410125532.21f47053.tleslie@tcn.net> <20080410173720.GC9820@watson-wilson.ca> <20080411133825.GD2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47FFACC1.6080305@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080411200009.GF2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 02:24:01PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > You may recall the "unlimited" dial up plans, where they'd dump your > call after so many hours. Sure, but rogers doesn't do dial-up and I don't think they ever did. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 20:16:05 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:16:05 -0400 Subject: syncing data across machines automatically In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804110737k5f7de01ane6eac99b620bfbad-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804110737k5f7de01ane6eac99b620bfbad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280804111316h35ed11apdf348a7c24468bb2@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for the reply-to-self, I hope it makes sense in context. On 4/11/08, Giles Orr wrote: > I have a friend who wants to synchronize data across three machines: > two Intel-based, one running Fedora, one running Ubuntu, and the final > machine running Solaris 10 on an Ultra 60. I initially recommended > rsync which I use to update my domain hosting site. But I'm not sure > rsync is the answer when data is generated on all three machines and > will preferably be synced to the other two on a regular basis > automatically (cron job). How to do this securely is beyond me. The > friend is in the state of Georgia and I won't be laying hands on the > machines myself: but he's quite good at reading manuals and working > with computers. However we're in dire need of pointers. Thanks! I remember now that I used to use NFS and sync several machines to a central server, but that was over a small personal network and probably isn't a good idea on a public network (he's on a campus). Lennart suggested rsync-over-ssh, and Anthony suggested unison-over-ssh ... these are the two ideas I suggested to my friend. It seems I'm mis-characterizing the problem (or not explaining where my understanding is breaking down): I lock up when we get to the "cron job" part of this. How do you automate a job like this over ssh? Three servers, does he have to sit down, login, enter an ssh passphrase, and log back out every time a machine is (re)booted? I think this is what's causing me issues. Or do you use an ssh key without a passphrase? Can that be done safely? Sorry I didn't explain the issue more clearly. At least it seems I was on to the right tools. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 20:48:41 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:48:41 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <20080411200009.GF2159-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080410125532.21f47053.tleslie@tcn.net> <20080410173720.GC9820@watson-wilson.ca> <20080411133825.GD2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47FFACC1.6080305@rogers.com> <20080411200009.GF2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47FFCEA9.8090200@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 02:24:01PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > >> You may recall the "unlimited" dial up plans, where they'd dump your >> call after so many hours. >> > > Sure, but rogers doesn't do dial-up and I don't think they ever did. > > http://www.rogers.com/web/link/dialUpBrowseFlowBegin -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 21:23:43 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:23:43 -0400 Subject: syncing data across machines automatically In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804111316h35ed11apdf348a7c24468bb2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804110737k5f7de01ane6eac99b620bfbad@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280804111316h35ed11apdf348a7c24468bb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080411212343.GG2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 04:16:05PM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > I remember now that I used to use NFS and sync several machines to a > central server, but that was over a small personal network and > probably isn't a good idea on a public network (he's on a campus). > > Lennart suggested rsync-over-ssh, and Anthony suggested > unison-over-ssh ... these are the two ideas I suggested to my friend. > It seems I'm mis-characterizing the problem (or not explaining where > my understanding is breaking down): I lock up when we get to the "cron > job" part of this. How do you automate a job like this over ssh? > Three servers, does he have to sit down, login, enter an ssh > passphrase, and log back out every time a machine is (re)booted? I > think this is what's causing me issues. Or do you use an ssh key > without a passphrase? Can that be done safely? > > Sorry I didn't explain the issue more clearly. At least it seems I > was on to the right tools. Using ssh with a no passphrase is what I do. I can't think of any other way to automate the connection. No passphrase on the dsa key that is. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 21:26:05 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:26:05 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <47FFCEA9.8090200-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080410125532.21f47053.tleslie@tcn.net> <20080410173720.GC9820@watson-wilson.ca> <20080411133825.GD2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47FFACC1.6080305@rogers.com> <20080411200009.GF2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47FFCEA9.8090200@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080411212605.GH2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 04:48:41PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > http://www.rogers.com/web/link/dialUpBrowseFlowBegin Wow I had never heard of that, nor seen any mention of that on their web site before. Where have they been hiding that. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 21:36:34 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:36:34 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <20080411212605.GH2159-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080410125532.21f47053.tleslie@tcn.net> <20080410173720.GC9820@watson-wilson.ca> <20080411133825.GD2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47FFACC1.6080305@rogers.com> <20080411200009.GF2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47FFCEA9.8090200@rogers.com> <20080411212605.GH2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47FFD9E2.3080808@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 04:48:41PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > >> http://www.rogers.com/web/link/dialUpBrowseFlowBegin >> > > Wow I had never heard of that, nor seen any mention of that on their web > site before. Where have they been hiding that. :) > > I suspect they inherited it, when they bought Sprint. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 21:45:18 2008 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FFB736.1040404-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FFB736.1040404@rogers.com> Message-ID: <955565.45445.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- James Knott wrote: > Don Moskaluk wrote: > > However with old fashion tube TV a big magnet is at the back of > each > > set. I had a similar situation in which I had a Xbox working > beside an > > old tube tv. Everything works well until the wireless was added > and the > > connection could not be made. A wireless Bridge was installed > and it > > was position about five feet from the tv. Cat5e cable link the > xbox and > > bridge (Senao) and problem solved. > > I assume you're referring to the deflection coils, one running at > about > 60 Hz and the other at 15.75 KHz. Both frequencies are well below > 2.4 > GHz. Magnetic fields don't affect RF, at least not at any strength > > you're likely to encounter. You're more likely to have problems > with a > microwave oven or cordless phone, which do operate in the same > range as > WiFi. > > > Incidentally, how many wireless clients can be connected to one router at the same time? Equbay __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 21:51:52 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:51:52 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <955565.45445.qm-RyNgWUfQ9Bf5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <955565.45445.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47FFDD78.9060009@rogers.com> E K wrote: > Incidentally, how many wireless clients can be connected to one > router at the same time? > > > I don't know that there is a hard number. A useful number would depend on how much the clients are using WiFi. Of course, you can't exceed the number supported by the DHCP server or subnet mask. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 11 21:54:09 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:54:09 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <47FFD9E2.3080808-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080410125532.21f47053.tleslie@tcn.net> <20080410173720.GC9820@watson-wilson.ca> <20080411133825.GD2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47FFACC1.6080305@rogers.com> <20080411200009.GF2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47FFCEA9.8090200@rogers.com> <20080411212605.GH2159@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47FFD9E2.3080808@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47FFDE01.8030704@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 04:48:41PM -0400, James Knott wrote: >> >>> http://www.rogers.com/web/link/dialUpBrowseFlowBegin >>> >> >> Wow I had never heard of that, nor seen any mention of that on their web >> site before. Where have they been hiding that. :) >> >> > I suspect they inherited it, when they bought Sprint. > > Incidentally, when I found out about it, I suggested that cable modem users should get some dial up time included, as Sympatico does, for notebook user. As far as I can tell, they haven't done that. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 12 01:13:37 2008 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:13:37 -0400 Subject: OT: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed Message-ID: <48000CC1.9000009@utoronto.ca> I found this quote: Better security. MacDonald says Windows should link identities to applications so software doesn?t act abnormally. For instance, Notepad would be limited to inputting text. Why would notepad.exe have rights to network ports, the registry and scan a file system? Notepad should be assigned an identity and limited to a specific use. ?Microsoft doesn?t do this today,? says MacDonald. ?It would require significant kernel changes.? MacDonald added that few operating systems limit what applications can do. The one software project that takes this approach is the One Laptop Per Child project. here's the reference: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8428 Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 12 15:06:34 2008 From: phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:06:34 -0400 Subject: VPN *almost* works Message-ID: <200804121506.m3CF6Zbq029604@mail96c0.megamailservers.com> I am attempting to connect from a SUSE 10.2 machine, through a Linksys router and DSL modem to something called a "Cisco ASA" (so says my network admin). After running 'vpnc' some things work. I can 'ssh' to various machines on the remote network, log in and view directories; I can use 'smbclient' to make connections. Most other things simply hang. Attempting to copy a file after connecting through ssh or smb hangs, as does svn or wget. At first I thought I was running into something that was protocol- dependent, but now I'm wondering whether it's related to either timeout or volume of data. Any suggestions would be appreciated. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 12 18:27:21 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:27:21 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <47FFABB8.9040404-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> <47FF4677.60502@rogers.com> <47FF692D.8040105@rogers.com> <47FFABB8.9040404@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4800FF09.8050308@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > Stephen wrote: > >> The notebook does no better. >> >> I am wondering what they have in the walls in my building. > > I thought you said reinforced concrete. It is used in any load > bearing walls. You can hear the difference between reinforced > concrete and drywall, when you knock on the wall. >> >> I also wonder how long the wire from the router to the antenna can >> be? Can I add an extension cable to get the antenna into the middle >> room? > > Cables tend to be very lossy at those frequencies. You want to keep > the cable as short as possible. That is why I suggested moving the > router. > > > There are repeaters available, though I've never seen one in a store. > You have to place it where it has a connection with both locations. > I stopped by Canada Computers today and noticed they have a Linksys repeater for about $80. If you get one of those, you'll have to place it in a spot that has a good signal from both locations. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From skrishnan-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 12 20:29:00 2008 From: skrishnan-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Srinivasan Krishnan) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:29:00 -0400 Subject: VPN *almost* works In-Reply-To: <506DA44D-5C25-4C4C-A0A7-B55567D0BF3C-HInyCGIudOg@public.gmane.org> References: <506DA44D-5C25-4C4C-A0A7-B55567D0BF3C@acm.org> Message-ID: <1208032140.5886.2.camel@agni.krishnan.local> On Sat, 2008-04-12 at 11:06 -0400, Phillip Mills wrote: > I am attempting to connect from a SUSE 10.2 machine, through a > Linksys router and DSL modem to something called a "Cisco ASA" (so > says my network admin). > > After running 'vpnc' some things work. I can 'ssh' to various > machines on the remote network, log in and view directories; I can > use 'smbclient' to make connections. Most other things simply hang. > Attempting to copy a file after connecting through ssh or smb hangs, > as does svn or wget. > > At first I thought I was running into something that was protocol- > dependent, but now I'm wondering whether it's related to either > timeout or volume of data. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. Looks like a MTU issue. Check the MTU at both ends, and maybe bring it down to something safe like 536 and test. You can then gradually increase it till you find the point at which things stop working. HTH, Krishnan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From skrishnan-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 12 20:32:06 2008 From: skrishnan-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Srinivasan Krishnan) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:32:06 -0400 Subject: VPN *almost* works In-Reply-To: <506DA44D-5C25-4C4C-A0A7-B55567D0BF3C-HInyCGIudOg@public.gmane.org> References: <506DA44D-5C25-4C4C-A0A7-B55567D0BF3C@acm.org> Message-ID: <1208032326.5886.5.camel@agni.krishnan.local> On Sat, 2008-04-12 at 11:06 -0400, Phillip Mills wrote: > I am attempting to connect from a SUSE 10.2 machine, through a > Linksys router and DSL modem to something called a "Cisco ASA" (so > says my network admin). > > After running 'vpnc' some things work. I can 'ssh' to various > machines on the remote network, log in and view directories; I can > use 'smbclient' to make connections. Most other things simply hang. > Attempting to copy a file after connecting through ssh or smb hangs, > as does svn or wget. > > At first I thought I was running into something that was protocol- > dependent, but now I'm wondering whether it's related to either > timeout or volume of data. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. This ought to help you with information about Cisco MTU and MSS settings. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6120/products_configuration_example09186a008081e621.shtml Krishnan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 12 22:00:50 2008 From: phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:00:50 -0400 Subject: VPN *almost* works In-Reply-To: <1208032326.5886.5.camel-6tpl8X+rD8L+GbrkrJtfDMM6rOWSkUom@public.gmane.org> References: <506DA44D-5C25-4C4C-A0A7-B55567D0BF3C@acm.org> <1208032326.5886.5.camel@agni.krishnan.local> Message-ID: <200804122200.m3CM0poD022408@mail97c0.megamailservers.com> On Apr 12, 2008, at 4:32 PM, Srinivasan Krishnan wrote: > > This ought to help you with information about Cisco MTU and MSS > settings. > > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6120/ > products_configuration_example09186a008081e621.shtml > > Krishnan Thanks for the tips. I'm not sure that I'd have any luck convincing anyone to change server settings, but I can experiment on my side if that helps any. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 12 22:20:53 2008 From: phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:20:53 -0400 Subject: VPN *almost* works In-Reply-To: <1208032140.5886.2.camel-6tpl8X+rD8L+GbrkrJtfDMM6rOWSkUom@public.gmane.org> References: <506DA44D-5C25-4C4C-A0A7-B55567D0BF3C@acm.org> <1208032140.5886.2.camel@agni.krishnan.local> Message-ID: <200804122220.m3CMKr8t007705@mail97c0.megamailservers.com> On Apr 12, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Srinivasan Krishnan wrote: > Looks like a MTU issue. Check the MTU at both ends, and maybe > bring it > down to something safe like 536 and test. Thought I should mention that I am able to duplicate exactly the same symptoms with PPPoE directly to the ADSL modem rather than through the Linksys. But I suppose there's some default MTU setting on the ppp device (I'm not at that computer to check right now). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From skrishnan-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 13 04:55:40 2008 From: skrishnan-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Srinivasan Krishnan) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:55:40 -0400 Subject: VPN *almost* works In-Reply-To: References: <506DA44D-5C25-4C4C-A0A7-B55567D0BF3C@acm.org> <1208032140.5886.2.camel@agni.krishnan.local> Message-ID: <1208062540.21280.7.camel@agni.krishnan.local> On Sat, 2008-04-12 at 18:20 -0400, Phillip Mills wrote: > On Apr 12, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Srinivasan Krishnan wrote: > > > Looks like a MTU issue. Check the MTU at both ends, and maybe > > bring it > > down to something safe like 536 and test. > > Thought I should mention that I am able to duplicate exactly the same > symptoms with PPPoE directly to the ADSL modem rather than through > the Linksys. But I suppose there's some default MTU setting on the > ppp device (I'm not at that computer to check right now). > It appears that your VPNC client is setting a MTU that the Cisco does not like. Try this as root: /sbin/ifconfig tun mtu 1000 where tun is your VPNC interface. I believe this should work. If it does, try increasing the MTU till you reach the point where things stop working, and then set your MTU to the highest working value. If the connection is still problematic, do the reverse: reduce mtu till you find a value that works. HTH, Krishnan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 13 12:10:11 2008 From: phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:10:11 -0400 Subject: VPN *almost* works In-Reply-To: <1208062540.21280.7.camel-6tpl8X+rD8L+GbrkrJtfDMM6rOWSkUom@public.gmane.org> References: <506DA44D-5C25-4C4C-A0A7-B55567D0BF3C@acm.org> <1208032140.5886.2.camel@agni.krishnan.local> <1208062540.21280.7.camel@agni.krishnan.local> Message-ID: <200804131210.m3DCACmI030129@mail96c0.megamailservers.com> On Apr 13, 2008, at 12:55 AM, Srinivasan Krishnan wrote: > > It appears that your VPNC client is setting a MTU that the Cisco does > not like. Try this as root: > > /sbin/ifconfig tun mtu 1000 That definitely looks like the answer. Trying it at 1000 lets me do things that were failing before. I think the default was 1412...something not 1492 or 1500 at any rate. :-) I'm not sure why others haven't had the same problem connecting to this server, but I won't worry too much about that. Thanks for your help. I'm sure it wouldn't be working without you! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 15 13:59:44 2008 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:59:44 -0400 Subject: linux friendly web hosting Message-ID: <4804B4D0.6010509@gmail.com> I am looking for locations to locate a few servers that is linux friendly. Must be in the GTA. (ie.must be able to do local maintenance) Each box averages 1mbits/sec average traffic. Price is primary. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 15 14:12:21 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:12:21 -0400 Subject: linux friendly web hosting In-Reply-To: <4804B4D0.6010509-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4804B4D0.6010509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4804B7C5.20909@rogers.com> teddy wrote: > I am looking for locations to locate a few servers that is linux > friendly. > Must be in the GTA. (ie.must be able to do local maintenance) > > Each box averages 1mbits/sec average traffic. > Price is primary. Do you want to use your own boxes? Don't know about that. But if you want to rent them check out hostpapa.com I have been with them two months and have zero problems. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 15 14:31:55 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:31:55 -0400 Subject: linux friendly web hosting In-Reply-To: <4804B4D0.6010509-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4804B4D0.6010509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4804BC5B.6090400@alteeve.com> teddy wrote: > I am looking for locations to locate a few servers that is linux friendly. > Must be in the GTA. (ie.must be able to do local maintenance) > > Each box averages 1mbits/sec average traffic. > Price is primary. If I can pitch my place of work, look up iplink.net. 'Tis the host of the TLUG website, and I've used them personally for a few years now. Rack space or virtual hosting, and right downtown. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 15 14:31:59 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:31:59 -0400 Subject: [OT] Wireless Distance in Apartment In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0804110840t402590eem3887fa4bac3abba2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47FD8AF0.4040103@rogers.com> <5118C2389D043248BAD9753127CE23D0EE527B@toremrep00ex001.bussvcs.resolvecorporation.com> <47FEEC60.6060909@rogers.com> <3a97ef0804110840t402590eem3887fa4bac3abba2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4804BC5F.5090905@rogers.com> Tyler Aviss wrote: > Is there any reason that the wifi unit has to be in its current > location? Could you relocate it a bit (possible with a long'ish > ethernet cable, if necessary) to get a better signal > With long cables, of course. But I have two wire connections to servers where it currently is. And this is where the cable modem terminates. Easier to run a cable to the living room. I am going to make one more try this afternoon, and if I can't figure out how to get a better signal I will go the wire route. Thanks Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 15 14:55:00 2008 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:55:00 -0400 Subject: 5TB raid Message-ID: <4804C1C4.3070200@gmail.com> Need to make a 5TB raid. I could go with a canned solution. But that would be no fun. I was thinking about One HighPoint RocketRAID 2322 PCI Express SATA II card (2 SAS connectors) Two 4 bay SATA2 enclosures with hotswap drive. EIGHT WD Caviar 1TB (Green) SATA drives not listed (Hitachi and Sumsung listed) Setup the hw raid Fill both 4 bay enclosures with four 1TB drives Install Gentoo OS with RAID1 with two 80GB IDEs (basic OS only,/home /var etc. but NO DATA!) (make a third copy if they request...raids do not prevent operator errors) use IDEs as /dev/hda so the sata enclosures start with /dev/sda After OS install is complete then attach the sata enclosures and setup each as a RAID5 using mdadm, fstab at bootup /dev/sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4=standby /dev/sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4=standby (you could probably get away with using seven 1TB drives, as long as you have email notification on a failed drive an replaced it immedialtely with the 7th drive) /raid1=3TB RAID5 on enclosure1, mount as ext3 /raid1 via rc.local /raid2=3TB RAID5 on enclosure2, mount as ext3 /raid2 via rc.local Call HighPoint for advice first. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 15 15:08:06 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:08:06 -0400 Subject: 5TB raid In-Reply-To: <4804C1C4.3070200-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4804C1C4.3070200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4804C4D6.7080008@alteeve.com> teddy wrote: > Need to make a 5TB raid. > I could go with a canned solution. But that would be no fun. > > I was thinking about > > One HighPoint RocketRAID 2322 PCI Express SATA II card (2 SAS connectors) > Two 4 bay SATA2 enclosures with hotswap drive. > EIGHT WD Caviar 1TB (Green) SATA drives not listed (Hitachi and Sumsung > listed) > > Setup the hw raid > Fill both 4 bay enclosures with four 1TB drives > Install Gentoo OS with RAID1 with two 80GB IDEs (basic OS only,/home > /var etc. but NO DATA!) > (make a third copy if they request...raids do not prevent operator errors) > use IDEs as /dev/hda so the sata enclosures start with /dev/sda Be aware that more and more distros are running ATA through the SCSI layer. My humble laptop running the recent Ubuntu shows my IDE drive as '/dev/sda'. Just an FYI. > After OS install is complete then attach the sata enclosures > and setup each as a RAID5 using mdadm, fstab at bootup > > /dev/sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4=standby > /dev/sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4=standby > > (you could probably get away with using seven 1TB drives, as long as you > have email notification on a failed drive an replaced it immedialtely > with the 7th drive) If you are concerned about suffering a 2-disk failure, look at RAID-6. It's simply RAID-5 with a second parity bit. Do be careful though; in a failed state you will suffer performance degradation if your controller doesn't support hardware XOR (and sufficient memory). This is true with any parity-based RAID level. > /raid1=3TB RAID5 on enclosure1, mount as ext3 /raid1 via rc.local > /raid2=3TB RAID5 on enclosure2, mount as ext3 /raid2 via rc.local > > Call HighPoint for advice first. Why not create one large RAID array? Many applications, like many SQL DB's, suffer performance hits on RAID /until/ you get to 6+ drives in a single array. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 15 15:26:14 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:26:14 -0400 Subject: linux friendly web hosting In-Reply-To: <4804BC5B.6090400-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4804B4D0.6010509@gmail.com> <4804BC5B.6090400@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20080415152614.GA3649@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:31:55AM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > teddy wrote: >> I am looking for locations to locate a few servers that is linux friendly. >> Must be in the GTA. (ie.must be able to do local maintenance) >> >> Each box averages 1mbits/sec average traffic. >> Price is primary. > > If I can pitch my place of work, look up iplink.net. 'Tis the host of > the TLUG website, and I've used them personally for a few years now. > Rack space or virtual hosting, and right downtown. :) > > I would not call this a shameless pitch. Personal recommendations are the best way I know to find things that you need, and if you "know" someone offering a service via a list, you are likely able to assess whether the service is worthwhile. Madison and several others on the list are frequent, polite, helpful contributors - and if they suggest their places of work for an offering, I would trust them to provide first-rate service. Similarly, back when I was using istop as my ISP, I frequently cringed at the postings made by the president of that company, and when istop imploded I realized that I should have changed services earlier - because I knew the owner of the service was "socially challenged", and so his destruction of his business because of a personal conflict with Bell, on whom his business depended, was probably inevitable. Others may chime in on this topic, but in my opinion, anyone with a service to offer should suggest it when the topic arises - we already know what you are like from your track record, or lack thereof, and can make an informed choice. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 15 15:08:20 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:08:20 -0400 Subject: 5TB raid In-Reply-To: <4804C1C4.3070200-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4804C1C4.3070200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080415150820.GA7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:55:00AM -0400, teddy wrote: > Need to make a 5TB raid. > I could go with a canned solution. But that would be no fun. > > I was thinking about > > One HighPoint RocketRAID 2322 PCI Express SATA II card (2 SAS connectors) > Two 4 bay SATA2 enclosures with hotswap drive. > EIGHT WD Caviar 1TB (Green) SATA drives not listed (Hitachi and Sumsung > listed) As far as I can tell, that card is NOT supported by linux. They have drivers available but they contain a binary blob which to me is just not worth it given how many raid cards are fully supported without that. I also get the impression that the 2322 is a marvell fakeraid card in fact. I wouldn't want to run a 5TB raid on a fakeraid. Check out areca or 3ware instead. > Setup the hw raid > Fill both 4 bay enclosures with four 1TB drives > Install Gentoo OS with RAID1 with two 80GB IDEs (basic OS only,/home > /var etc. but NO DATA!) > (make a third copy if they request...raids do not prevent operator errors) > use IDEs as /dev/hda so the sata enclosures start with /dev/sda > > After OS install is complete then attach the sata enclosures > and setup each as a RAID5 using mdadm, fstab at bootup > > /dev/sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4=standby > /dev/sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4=standby > > (you could probably get away with using seven 1TB drives, as long as you > have email notification on a failed drive an replaced it immedialtely > with the 7th drive) > > /raid1=3TB RAID5 on enclosure1, mount as ext3 /raid1 via rc.local > /raid2=3TB RAID5 on enclosure2, mount as ext3 /raid2 via rc.local > > Call HighPoint for advice first. Or call someone with open source drivers instead. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 15 15:09:37 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:09:37 -0400 Subject: 5TB raid In-Reply-To: <4804C4D6.7080008-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4804C1C4.3070200@gmail.com> <4804C4D6.7080008@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20080415150937.GB7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:08:06AM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > Why not create one large RAID array? Many applications, like many SQL > DB's, suffer performance hits on RAID /until/ you get to 6+ drives in a > single array. I thought 32bit linux was still limited to 2TB per device, while 64bit could go much larger. That may have changed though. Personally the clostest I have got is 1.5TB so far (raid5 of four 500GB drives) and I run 64bit of course. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 15 16:46:40 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:46:40 -0400 Subject: linux friendly web hosting In-Reply-To: <4804B7C5.20909-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4804B4D0.6010509@gmail.com> <4804B7C5.20909@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4804DBF0.7090607@rogers.com> Stephen wrote: > teddy wrote: >> I am looking for locations to locate a few servers that is linux >> friendly. >> Must be in the GTA. (ie.must be able to do local maintenance) >> >> Each box averages 1mbits/sec average traffic. >> Price is primary. > Do you want to use your own boxes? > > Don't know about that. But if you want to rent them check out hostpapa.com > > I have been with them two months and have zero probl@%$@#$$$@$%%^#$ NO CARRIER ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 15 18:38:45 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:38:45 -0400 Subject: linux friendly web hosting In-Reply-To: <20080415152614.GA3649-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <4804B4D0.6010509@gmail.com> <4804BC5B.6090400@alteeve.com> <20080415152614.GA3649@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4804F635.3080108@utoronto.ca> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:31:55AM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: >> teddy wrote: >>> I am looking for locations to locate a few servers that is linux friendly. >>> Must be in the GTA. (ie.must be able to do local maintenance) >>> >>> Each box averages 1mbits/sec average traffic. >>> Price is primary. >> If I can pitch my place of work, look up iplink.net. 'Tis the host of >> the TLUG website, and I've used them personally for a few years now. >> Rack space or virtual hosting, and right downtown. :) >> >> > > I would not call this a shameless pitch. Personal recommendations are > the best way I know to find things that you need, and if you "know" > someone offering a service via a list, you are likely able to assess > whether the service is worthwhile. Madison and several others on the > list are frequent, polite, helpful contributors - and if they suggest > their places of work for an offering, I would trust them to provide > first-rate service. > > Similarly, back when I was using istop as my ISP, I frequently cringed > at the postings made by the president of that company, and when istop > imploded I realized that I should have changed services earlier - > because I knew the owner of the service was "socially challenged", and > so his destruction of his business because of a personal conflict with > Bell, on whom his business depended, was probably inevitable. > > Others may chime in on this topic, but in my opinion, anyone with a > service to offer should suggest it when the topic arises - we already > know what you are like from your track record, or lack thereof, and can > make an informed choice. Plug for Prioritycolo, they're a good bunch. They do dedicated, and colocated servers. They have great peering arrangements and there hasn't been a network problem that I know of with them in 1.5+ years. I also see their routers in traceroutes from different Montreal hosts, so they're handling a fair amount of traffic into and out of 151 Front St. I do have to ask though, if there is that much maintenance to do on the boxes, perhaps reconsidering and getting managed servers is more appropriate? Sure it costs less to do work yourself in the sort term (notwithstanding hardware costs), but if there's that much work to do that requires physical access then I have to wonder if there are larger configuration problems or hardware quality issues that might, if given the appropriate attention in the first place, reduce or eliminate the need for that much hands on work in the first place? There is of course the joy of doing it yourself which I don't discount in the least. But it does seem that if price is an issue, buying good hardware and configuring it properly should obviate the need to have to go visit the box(es) and help save time and money in the long term. My plug and $0.02. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rdice-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 15 20:16:36 2008 From: rdice-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Dice) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:16:36 -0400 Subject: we're hiring - Perl OO programmer, sysadmin Message-ID: <5bef4baf0804151316p517556c9jc515096d7deb2ac7@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone, My company is growing and we're looking to hire. We love Perl! If you do too then please check out the URL postings, below. Perl programmer for web applications - http://raybec.com/aboutus/perl_programmer.vmx This isn't about simple Perl or CGI scripts. We're serious about Perl programming and large, complicated web applications. OO Perl engineers is what we're looking for. Also, we're looking for a sysadmin. Unix/Linux Systems administrator / Jr. Perl programmer - http://raybec.com/aboutus/sysadmin.vmx Thanks! I'm available for questions - please direct to richard-EdBIq7W7I6iXj1p+fO2waQ at public.gmane.org Cheers, - Richard -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 16 17:37:24 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:37:24 -0400 Subject: 5TB raid In-Reply-To: <4804C1C4.3070200-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4804C1C4.3070200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0804161037j41bc88f6u16b74047153ca12f@mail.gmail.com> (make a third copy if they request...raids do not prevent operator errors) I know a few people who have been of the opinion that RAID=invincible. Unfortunately, it still doesn't save you from the almight mistyped path in an "rm -rf" command :-) On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:55 AM, teddy wrote: > Need to make a 5TB raid. > I could go with a canned solution. But that would be no fun. > > I was thinking about > > One HighPoint RocketRAID 2322 PCI Express SATA II card (2 SAS connectors) > Two 4 bay SATA2 enclosures with hotswap drive. > EIGHT WD Caviar 1TB (Green) SATA drives not listed (Hitachi and Sumsung > listed) > > Setup the hw raid > Fill both 4 bay enclosures with four 1TB drives > Install Gentoo OS with RAID1 with two 80GB IDEs (basic OS only,/home /var > etc. but NO DATA!) > (make a third copy if they request...raids do not prevent operator errors) > use IDEs as /dev/hda so the sata enclosures start with /dev/sda > > After OS install is complete then attach the sata enclosures > and setup each as a RAID5 using mdadm, fstab at bootup > > /dev/sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4=standby > /dev/sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4=standby > > (you could probably get away with using seven 1TB drives, as long as you > have email notification on a failed drive an replaced it immedialtely with > the 7th drive) > > /raid1=3TB RAID5 on enclosure1, mount as ext3 /raid1 via rc.local > /raid2=3TB RAID5 on enclosure2, mount as ext3 /raid2 via rc.local > > Call HighPoint for advice first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 16 18:19:28 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:19:28 -0400 Subject: 5TB raid In-Reply-To: <4804C1C4.3070200-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4804C1C4.3070200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880804161119g1b35c8dy635f85c08dedbc71@mail.gmail.com> Hi Teddy, I had some issues with ISCSI and kernel modules crashing the server with this device. So my experience is the product is a bit of an issue with linux. (However I didn't delve to much into it). I would suggest looking for a more expensive card, this card also uses the cpu for some things of the raid. One HighPoint RocketRAID 2322 PCI Express SATA II card (2 SAS connectors) Anyway thats my personal experience. I would suggest researching this card a bit more before using it. Does anyone else have experience with this card? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 16 18:53:37 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:53:37 -0400 Subject: 5TB raid In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0804161037j41bc88f6u16b74047153ca12f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4804C1C4.3070200@gmail.com> <3a97ef0804161037j41bc88f6u16b74047153ca12f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080416185337.GC7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 01:37:24PM -0400, Tyler Aviss wrote: > (make a third copy if they request...raids do not prevent operator errors) > > I know a few people who have been of the opinion that RAID=invincible. > Unfortunately, it still doesn't save you from the almight mistyped > path in an "rm -rf" command :-) RAID (except 0) is protection for disk failure. No more, no less. It is not protection from bugs, user errors, power failures, random memory corruptions, etc. It is NOT a backup system. It does mean if a disk fails you can keep working and replace the faulty disk without having to go through much downtime or having to deal with rebuilding the system from scratch with restore of the data from your backup. So it saves you from unexpected downtime due to disk failures. If you put multiple disks on a single BUS (like parallel scsi) then a cable failure will still probably take out the raid or at least cut off access. So will a controller failure in some cases. Fortunately the most common failure seems to be the disk in a working system. SAS is much better since it uses point to point links (just like SATA) and is dual ported so each drive can connect to two controllers at the same time for redundancy that way. Still only one power connector though. Why do people not understand this? :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 17 19:45:43 2008 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:45:43 -0400 Subject: integrated Sound on Fedora Message-ID: <20080417194543.AB9E283833@sarg.ryerson.ca> I have used Linux for years. But one of the reasons I started moving to Mac OS X on the desktop (6 years ago) was that multimedia was too difficult to make work on Linux, particularly as it wasn't that central that I could dedicate a lot of time to it. I've been very happy with OSX! However, I have my main server at home on Fedora 8, and I am again frustrated by multimedia. What I want to work seamlessly is pretty minimal: MythTV Rhythmbox Flash within Firefox Xine mplayer (would be nice - but very rare) Right now, if I use any of them the audio becomes unavailable to the others and I have to kill the first program to get another to work. I can't believe that this is the current state of the art for Linux. I've googled, and I'm usually good at finding stuff, but I can't find workable answers to this. I thought pulseaudio was the answer, but it doesn't get me there. What 'rpm -q -a|grep audio' says is: jack-audio-connection-kit-0.103.0-5.fc8 pulseaudio-libs-0.9.8-5.fc8 alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-1.0.15-2.fc8 portaudio-19-5.fc8 gnome-audio-2.0.0-4 audiofile-devel-0.2.6-7.fc8 pulseaudio-libs-devel-0.9.8-5.fc8 audiofile-0.2.6-7.fc8 pulseaudio-0.9.8-5.fc8 pulseaudio-module-x11-0.9.8-5.fc8 libcdaudio-0.99.12p2-8.fc8 pulseaudio-libs-glib2-0.9.8-5.fc8 pulseaudio-esound-compat-0.9.8-5.fc8 pulseaudio-core-libs-0.9.8-5.fc8 pulseaudio-utils-0.9.8-5.fc8 pulseaudio-module-gconf-0.9.8-5.fc8 pulseaudio-libs-zeroconf-0.9.8-5.fc8 Thanks in advance. ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 17 20:08:08 2008 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:08:08 -0400 Subject: integrated Sound on Fedora In-Reply-To: <20080417194543.AB9E283833-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20080417194543.AB9E283833@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Dave Mason wrote: > I have used Linux for years. But one of the reasons I started moving to > Mac OS X on the desktop (6 years ago) was that multimedia was too > difficult to make work on Linux, particularly as it wasn't that central > that I could dedicate a lot of time to it. I've been very happy with OSX! > > However, I have my main server at home on Fedora 8, and I am again > frustrated by multimedia. What I want to work seamlessly is pretty > minimal: > > MythTV > Rhythmbox > Flash within Firefox > Xine > mplayer (would be nice - but very rare) > > Right now, if I use any of them the audio becomes unavailable to the > others and I have to kill the first program to get another to work. I > can't believe that this is the current state of the art for Linux. I've > googled, and I'm usually good at finding stuff, but I can't find > workable answers to this. I thought pulseaudio was the answer, but it > doesn't get me there. I share your frustration .. I have an F7 installation that's worked well for me for some time; I did regular yum updates, but three weeks ago I did an update, after which sound broke. Now I have no sound at all, which is incredibly irritating. Since we're using Kubuntu at work, I'm thinking of installing that over F7 and starting fresh with Kubuntu instead. Good luck with your system. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 17 20:49:38 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:49:38 -0400 Subject: integrated Sound on Fedora In-Reply-To: <20080417194543.AB9E283833-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20080417194543.AB9E283833@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20080417204938.GD7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 03:45:43PM -0400, Dave Mason wrote: > I have used Linux for years. But one of the reasons I started moving to > Mac OS X on the desktop (6 years ago) was that multimedia was too > difficult to make work on Linux, particularly as it wasn't that central > that I could dedicate a lot of time to it. I've been very happy with OSX! > > However, I have my main server at home on Fedora 8, and I am again > frustrated by multimedia. What I want to work seamlessly is pretty > minimal: > > MythTV > Rhythmbox > Flash within Firefox > Xine > mplayer (would be nice - but very rare) > > Right now, if I use any of them the audio becomes unavailable to the > others and I have to kill the first program to get another to work. I > can't believe that this is the current state of the art for Linux. I've > googled, and I'm usually good at finding stuff, but I can't find > workable answers to this. I thought pulseaudio was the answer, but it > doesn't get me there. The usual offender when only one thing can use sound is KDE. It seems to insist on loading artsd which is a useless piece of @#$#@$. :) esd under gnome (which I don't think it uses anymore) caused almost as much trouble. Configure kde to not load that and suddenly sharing the sound card just seems to work. I think kde4 finally stopped using it by default and it's about time. > What 'rpm -q -a|grep audio' says is: > jack-audio-connection-kit-0.103.0-5.fc8 > pulseaudio-libs-0.9.8-5.fc8 > alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-1.0.15-2.fc8 > portaudio-19-5.fc8 > gnome-audio-2.0.0-4 > audiofile-devel-0.2.6-7.fc8 > pulseaudio-libs-devel-0.9.8-5.fc8 > audiofile-0.2.6-7.fc8 > pulseaudio-0.9.8-5.fc8 > pulseaudio-module-x11-0.9.8-5.fc8 > libcdaudio-0.99.12p2-8.fc8 > pulseaudio-libs-glib2-0.9.8-5.fc8 > pulseaudio-esound-compat-0.9.8-5.fc8 > pulseaudio-core-libs-0.9.8-5.fc8 > pulseaudio-utils-0.9.8-5.fc8 > pulseaudio-module-gconf-0.9.8-5.fc8 > pulseaudio-libs-zeroconf-0.9.8-5.fc8 > > Thanks in advance. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 17 21:11:52 2008 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:11:52 -0400 Subject: integrated Sound on Fedora In-Reply-To: <20080417204938.GD7386-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080417194543.AB9E283833@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20080417204938.GD7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080417211152.69EA683833@sarg.ryerson.ca> For clarification, this is all running under gnome, not kde. I see a .esd_auth file that was read a week or more ago... possibly from the last time I tried rythmbox or flash. I see .pulse-cookie and .asoundrc that have been read much more recently (though created some months ago). ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 17 21:43:50 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:43:50 -0400 Subject: The kitchen sync Message-ID: <4807C496.2070107@telly.org> Hello all, I'm working with an installation that has two Linux servers -- one running Samba and database applications, the other running mail (postfix / spamassassin / maia / CourierIMAP / postgrey) for a company of about 75 people. This will be connected to a Windows server that's required because of Blackberry Exchange Server won't run under Linux (even though half of RIM seems to use Linux -- grr). Anyway, it occurred to me that it would be a Really Good Idea to synchronize the Linux login accounts, email accounts, Samba access, and Windows Exchange/BEX authentication. It seems like LDAP is the way to go but after all these years I've never used it before. Can someone recommend some good tutorials about doing this kind of thing? Any advice -- even if if it' s to use other tools -- are appreciated. Thanks! - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 17 21:44:53 2008 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:44:53 -0400 Subject: integrated Sound on Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <20080417194543.AB9E283833@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20080417174453.4f5545bf.tleslie@tcn.net> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:08:08 -0400 "Alex Beamish" wrote: > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Dave Mason wrote: > > I have used Linux for years. But one of the reasons I started moving to > > Mac OS X on the desktop (6 years ago) was that multimedia was too > > difficult to make work on Linux, particularly as it wasn't that central > > that I could dedicate a lot of time to it. I've been very happy with OSX! > > > > However, I have my main server at home on Fedora 8, and I am again > > frustrated by multimedia. What I want to work seamlessly is pretty > > minimal: > > > > MythTV > > Rhythmbox > > Flash within Firefox > > Xine > > mplayer (would be nice - but very rare) > > > > Right now, if I use any of them the audio becomes unavailable to the > > others and I have to kill the first program to get another to work. I > > can't believe that this is the current state of the art for Linux. I've > > googled, and I'm usually good at finding stuff, but I can't find > > workable answers to this. I thought pulseaudio was the answer, but it > > doesn't get me there. > I third that, i had issue with openSuse10, now on gutsy (which is worst), i am grabbing 8.04 and if it doesn't do sound right (or after a bit of dicking around), I am going to be right pissed. In all fairness however, the flash player in firefox often seems to be in the loop. Can't wait for the day (hopefully) soon where we have open source moon light, and a painful death to close source flash. But i have never been able to get sound to work in vmware and on the host linux box. You so much as start flash in firefox, and eevn when no playing flash, the sound source is grabbed (i guess) and vmware goes nutty popping messages about sound not available. -tl > I share your frustration .. I have an F7 installation that's worked > well for me for some time; I did regular yum updates, but three weeks > ago I did an update, after which sound broke. Now I have no sound at > all, which is incredibly irritating. > > Since we're using Kubuntu at work, I'm thinking of installing that > over F7 and starting fresh with Kubuntu instead. > > Good luck with your system. > > Alex > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 18 03:51:48 2008 From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:51:48 +0000 Subject: 5TB raid In-Reply-To: <20080415150820.GA7386-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4804C1C4.3070200@gmail.com> <20080415150820.GA7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1208490708.6736.3.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> On Tue, 2008-04-15 at 11:08 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:55:00AM -0400, teddy wrote: > > Need to make a 5TB raid. > > I could go with a canned solution. But that would be no fun. > > > > I was thinking about > > > > One HighPoint RocketRAID 2322 PCI Express SATA II card (2 SAS connectors) > > Two 4 bay SATA2 enclosures with hotswap drive. > > EIGHT WD Caviar 1TB (Green) SATA drives not listed (Hitachi and Sumsung > > listed) > > As far as I can tell, that card is NOT supported by linux. They have > drivers available but they contain a binary blob which to me is just not > worth it given how many raid cards are fully supported without that. I > also get the impression that the 2322 is a marvell fakeraid card in > fact. I wouldn't want to run a 5TB raid on a fakeraid. > > Check out areca or 3ware instead. I would also recommend against Highpoint products. It seems like after a while, they stop providing updated drivers for Linux, particularly as the product ages. I have a Highpoint 1742 that I cannot install anything newer than Fedora 7 on, because Highpoint's drivers won't compile under anything 2.6.23-based. - Julian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 18 13:15:56 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:15:56 -0400 Subject: integrated Sound on Fedora In-Reply-To: <20080417194543.AB9E283833-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20080417194543.AB9E283833@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0804180615w62dced43sc2a6e7b7f76e698c@mail.gmail.com> What's the soundcard and kernel version? I used to use esound to allow mixing of multiple audio sources, but nowadays it really doesn't seem necessary as ALSA handles things nicely, even on my crappier soundcards (on ones with hardware-mixing support, this was never an issue anyhow). Try turning off esound, pulseaudio, and all that stuff, then set your apps to use ALSA. I'm not sure about gnome, but the KDE mixer does have an option to release the card after X seconds of inactivity, so I usually set this to a low number as well (however, even KDE has within the last year played nice with not monopolizing the soundcard). I've been using debian and at least a 2.6.22+ kernel, and KDE as my window manager, but I'd imagine that it should be about the same for RedHat. On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Dave Mason wrote: > I have used Linux for years. But one of the reasons I started moving to > Mac OS X on the desktop (6 years ago) was that multimedia was too > difficult to make work on Linux, particularly as it wasn't that central > that I could dedicate a lot of time to it. I've been very happy with OSX! > > However, I have my main server at home on Fedora 8, and I am again > frustrated by multimedia. What I want to work seamlessly is pretty > minimal: > > MythTV > Rhythmbox > Flash within Firefox > Xine > mplayer (would be nice - but very rare) > > Right now, if I use any of them the audio becomes unavailable to the > others and I have to kill the first program to get another to work. I > can't believe that this is the current state of the art for Linux. I've > googled, and I'm usually good at finding stuff, but I can't find > workable answers to this. I thought pulseaudio was the answer, but it > doesn't get me there. > > What 'rpm -q -a|grep audio' says is: > jack-audio-connection-kit-0.103.0-5.fc8 > pulseaudio-libs-0.9.8-5.fc8 > alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-1.0.15-2.fc8 > portaudio-19-5.fc8 > gnome-audio-2.0.0-4 > audiofile-devel-0.2.6-7.fc8 > pulseaudio-libs-devel-0.9.8-5.fc8 > audiofile-0.2.6-7.fc8 > pulseaudio-0.9.8-5.fc8 > pulseaudio-module-x11-0.9.8-5.fc8 > libcdaudio-0.99.12p2-8.fc8 > pulseaudio-libs-glib2-0.9.8-5.fc8 > pulseaudio-esound-compat-0.9.8-5.fc8 > pulseaudio-core-libs-0.9.8-5.fc8 > pulseaudio-utils-0.9.8-5.fc8 > pulseaudio-module-gconf-0.9.8-5.fc8 > pulseaudio-libs-zeroconf-0.9.8-5.fc8 > > Thanks in advance. > > ../Dave > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 18 14:15:21 2008 From: myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:15:21 -0400 Subject: The kitchen sync In-Reply-To: <4807C496.2070107-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <4807C496.2070107@telly.org> Message-ID: <28A4C905-C289-4FAB-A37C-B22CBA7E8A89@monkeyinyoursoul.com> Could you run Active Directory under Windows Server? If you can check out: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3487081 --- Myles Braithwaite myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org Please consider the trees before print this email. On 17-Apr-08, at 5:43 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm working with an installation that has two Linux servers -- one > running Samba and database applications, the other running mail > (postfix > / spamassassin / maia / CourierIMAP / postgrey) for a company of about > 75 people. This will be connected to a Windows server that's required > because of Blackberry Exchange Server won't run under Linux (even > though > half of RIM seems to use Linux -- grr). > > Anyway, it occurred to me that it would be a Really Good Idea to > synchronize the Linux login accounts, email accounts, Samba access, > and > Windows Exchange/BEX authentication. It seems like LDAP is the way > to go > but after all these years I've never used it before. > > Can someone recommend some good tutorials about doing this kind of > thing? Any advice -- even if if it' s to use other tools -- are > appreciated. > > Thanks! > > - Evan > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Thanks: to Paul for helping NewTLUG not only by arranging for a room and hosting our meetings at IBM but also with looking after the badges. Badges: please email Paul Mora to pre-register Date and Time: Tues April 22, 7-10pm Topics: 1) "Damn Vulnerable Linux", a Linux security training distro. where everything has (deliberately) from a security standpoint been done BADLY. Basically turn this over to a student and say "fix this" (there is a LOT to fix :-) ) 2) IT360 show summary. and rumor has it that there might be some freebie swag from the Linux Pro folks that was left over from the IT360 trade show Q&A: There should be time for questions and answers, likely in the recent UU style format, hosted by Colin McGregor Apr?s-meet: After the meeting some will adjourn to a local coffee shop for continued discussion and general world problem solving. Location: IBM offices 3600 Steeles Ave East, north side of Steeles at Pharmacy/Esna Park (between Victoria Park and Warden) http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?mapdata=nGCyq1371PhhgCmx6Z%2b1cDMK7StVSEOC8pv6WLEwpPl4J5csVKolXMC1br3AveG47eAtFWeuZ%2bwJ2KM5Oq7LBuLnoWwdmj0b8XrxuhJWdRt2Mc4gVOIEVqcICHRlLm6XTuuZzJMzAZAf3OoErhbEoEZ9FStAjnRb7vrPmDxfzc6Dkdp3pAlh6ZFovnxcYwyt1e0eUfOZpFdN4rspAMvur8zk2XOMgoEZ6s2G1gxGZI6fILrLIfssN9UqLRPAuYnV84Fbwn7amW8Y%2fM6NeCfvcJVGtRhNNBCahqzxnGwYk6G9JBDVKNwGC7biOuwnI5nkx95wKeq%2brOPhXzRb4XSHbA%3d%3d (sorry for the wrap) Directions: Meet at the front entrance well before 7:00pm (6:30 recommended) to pickup your ID badge. At about 7:00 we'll be escorted to the auditorium. Some provision will be made for anyone arriving a little late. Parking: Free parking is available in the visitor parkade from 6:00pm to 11:00pm. --- Herb Richter Richter Equipment, Toronto, Ontario http://PartsAndService.com http://PartsAndService.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 14:48:59 2008 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Wifi LAN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <848903.38469.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi all, I was wondering if it is a good idea to use wireless as an office LAN of 20 to 30 employees? Is it technically feasible in terms of reliable connection and speed? My experience with Dlink so far is anything but unreliable one. TIA EK __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 15:16:38 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:16:38 -0400 Subject: screen resolution not saving Message-ID: <480CAFD6.2070706@chrisaitken.net> I have to change my screen resolution every time I boot my ubuntu 7.10 computer. I get a message: ! User's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents default session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user and have 644 permissions. User's $HOME directory must be owned by user and not writable by other users. So, I did the following: I ran... chris at bpc:~$ sudo chown chris /home/chris/.dmrc then I ran... chris at bpc:~$ chmod 644 /home/chris/.dmrc then I ran... chris at bpc:~$ sudo chown chris /home/chris I'm still having the same problem. Any next steps I can try? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 15:26:08 2008 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:26:08 -0400 Subject: screen resolution not saving In-Reply-To: <480CAFD6.2070706-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <480CAFD6.2070706@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <480CB210.2040809@rogers.com> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I have to change my screen resolution every time I boot my ubuntu 7.10 > computer. > > I get a message: > > ! User's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents default > session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user > and have 644 permissions. User's $HOME directory must be owned by user > and not writable by other users. > > So, I did the following: > > I ran... > > chris at bpc:~$ sudo chown chris /home/chris/.dmrc > Why don't you just edit xorg.conf so that the resolution that you want is the only option available by adding that resolution (if necessary) and commenting out the others? John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 16:59:32 2008 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Funny: Dell Windows machines cost less than Ubuntu machine In-Reply-To: <200804121506.m3CF6Zbq029604-EgXbWQ9a1V5WO4Mj/gOxaMgb9HtSjKrHVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <200804121506.m3CF6Zbq029604@mail96c0.megamailservers.com> Message-ID: <178988.10388.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> for almost identical hardware Inspiron 530s with Windows Vista costs less than Inspiron 530s with Ubuntu. The sales man tells me that the Vista machines are on promotion. Knowing that machines are built after order is placed, I don't understand why Dell has Windows on promotion instead of the machine itself (the hardware). EK __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 17:22:06 2008 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:22:06 -0400 Subject: Funny: Dell Windows machines cost less than Ubuntu machine In-Reply-To: <178988.10388.qm-j7iHDx50kh/5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <178988.10388.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <480CCD3E.1060103@rogers.com> E K wrote: > Knowing that machines are built after order is placed, I don't > understand why Dell has Windows on promotion instead of the machine > itself (the hardware). > > EK > Likely because Microsoft does not want any mainstream manufacturer putting an actual price on pre-installed versions of its operating systems -- which would be the case if the hardware were priced separately from the operating system. Imagine the turmoil it would cause if it came out that Dell was getting a substantially lower volume discount from Microsoft than say HP or a smaller player like Toshiba. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 17:50:54 2008 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:50:54 -0400 Subject: Funny: Dell Windows machines cost less than Ubuntu machine In-Reply-To: <178988.10388.qm-j7iHDx50kh/5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <178988.10388.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <480CD3FE.9010302@rogers.com> E K wrote: > for almost identical hardware Inspiron 530s with Windows Vista costs > less than Inspiron 530s with Ubuntu. The sales man tells me that the > Vista machines are on promotion. > > Knowing that machines are built after order is placed, I don't > understand why Dell has Windows on promotion instead of the machine > itself (the hardware). > Order the VISTA machine and install Ubuntu over it. Starting with a format. Make an install disk if you can first, and sell the VISTA license. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 18:13:27 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:13:27 -0400 Subject: SPAMMERS DIE Message-ID: <480CD947.10604@alteeve.com> Sorry, this is just line noise. I just needed to vent. So much of my time as an admit goes to waste cleaning up the mess these damn spammers make... My mail server, my wiki and, of course, my inbox. If I was a deity, I'd make every last spammer wake up in a garbage dump every morning for the rest of their life. GAH. That is all. Madi PS - reCAPTCHA is great. Really, it is. If you use any web-based tools (home rolled or canned) and have spam troubles, take a gander at it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 19:30:20 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:30:20 -0400 Subject: SPAMMERS DIE In-Reply-To: <480CD947.10604-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <480CD947.10604@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <480CEB4C.5000506@utoronto.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > Sorry, this is just line noise. I just needed to vent. > > So much of my time as an admit goes to waste cleaning up the mess these > damn spammers make... My mail server, my wiki and, of course, my inbox. > If I was a deity, I'd make every last spammer wake up in a garbage dump > every morning for the rest of their life. > > GAH. > > That is all. > > Madi > > PS - reCAPTCHA is great. Really, it is. If you use any web-based tools > (home rolled or canned) and have spam troubles, take a gander at it. Yup, reCAPTCHA and postgrey are two invaluable tools that vastly reduce the amount of spam to have to deal with. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 19:52:54 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:52:54 -0400 Subject: Wifi LAN? In-Reply-To: <848903.38469.qm-Q9ppC46l1fv5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <848903.38469.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080421195254.GE7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:48:59AM -0400, E K wrote: > I was wondering if it is a good idea to use wireless as an office LAN > of 20 to 30 employees? Is it technically feasible in terms of > reliable connection and speed? My experience with Dlink so far is > anything but unreliable one. I find wireless at my house painful with one client and the router 5m away with no walls in between. File transfers at less than 100Mbps is just horrible, and I would expect anyone setting up a new network to use gigabit (the switches have become real cheap). If you want a reliable network with anything near acceptable speed, then you want a properly wired network. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 19:54:42 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:54:42 -0400 Subject: screen resolution not saving In-Reply-To: <480CAFD6.2070706-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <480CAFD6.2070706@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080421195442.GF7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:16:38AM -0400, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I have to change my screen resolution every time I boot my ubuntu 7.10 > computer. > > I get a message: > > ! User's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents default > session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user and > have 644 permissions. User's $HOME directory must be owned by user and > not writable by other users. > > So, I did the following: > > I ran... > > chris at bpc:~$ sudo chown chris /home/chris/.dmrc > > then I ran... > > chris at bpc:~$ chmod 644 /home/chris/.dmrc > > then I ran... > > chris at bpc:~$ sudo chown chris /home/chris > > I'm still having the same problem. > > Any next steps I can try? ls -ld /home/chris /home/chris/.dmrc Make sure that both are only writeable by your user (so 755 or 750 or whichever for the home directory, and 644 or 640 or whatever for the file. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 19:55:37 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:55:37 -0400 Subject: Funny: Dell Windows machines cost less than Ubuntu machine In-Reply-To: <480CD3FE.9010302-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <178988.10388.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <480CD3FE.9010302@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080421195537.GG7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 01:50:54PM -0400, Stephen wrote: > Order the VISTA machine and install Ubuntu over it. Starting with a format. > > Make an install disk if you can first, and sell the VISTA license. Given the license only works on a Dell and belongs to that box, you can't. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 19:57:04 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:57:04 -0400 Subject: SPAMMERS DIE In-Reply-To: <480CD947.10604-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <480CD947.10604@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20080421195704.GH7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 02:13:27PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > Sorry, this is just line noise. I just needed to vent. > > So much of my time as an admit goes to waste cleaning up the mess these > damn spammers make... My mail server, my wiki and, of course, my inbox. > If I was a deity, I'd make every last spammer wake up in a garbage dump > every morning for the rest of their life. I don't have a wiki to worry about. As for email, 99% of my spam ends up in the spam folder. Gmail's filter works, and on my main account bogofilter is doing a wonderful job (although I think the mailserver has a greylisting system as well which seems to have seriously reduced the quantity of spam that even needs filtering). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 20:21:36 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:21:36 -0400 Subject: Wifi LAN? In-Reply-To: <848903.38469.qm-Q9ppC46l1fv5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <848903.38469.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <480CF750.4040200@rogers.com> E K wrote: > Hi all, > > I was wondering if it is a good idea to use wireless as an office LAN > of 20 to 30 employees? Is it technically feasible in terms of > reliable connection and speed? My experience with Dlink so far is > anything but unreliable one. It's certainly doable, but it depends on how much traffic the users generate. Also, for office use, I'd avoid using consumer grade gear. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 21:13:33 2008 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:13:33 -0400 Subject: SPAMMERS DIE In-Reply-To: <20080421195704.GH7386-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <480CD947.10604@alteeve.com> <20080421195704.GH7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <49e826e90804211413l4d6b523as8b366b0bc7cf9721@mail.gmail.com> I used http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ a few years back. Once you have trained this application, it is able to detect spam at a consistent 90% and up of mail flowing into the inbox. Over time, the spam detection reaches 98%+. It is open-source. Asaf On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 02:13:27PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Sorry, this is just line noise. I just needed to vent. > > > > So much of my time as an admit goes to waste cleaning up the mess these > > damn spammers make... My mail server, my wiki and, of course, my inbox. > > If I was a deity, I'd make every last spammer wake up in a garbage dump > > every morning for the rest of their life. > > I don't have a wiki to worry about. > > As for email, 99% of my spam ends up in the spam folder. Gmail's filter > works, and on my main account bogofilter is doing a wonderful job > (although I think the mailserver has a greylisting system as well which > seems to have seriously reduced the quantity of spam that even needs > filtering). > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- "I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." - Richard P. Feynman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 21:22:18 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:22:18 -0400 Subject: Wifi LAN? In-Reply-To: <20080421195254.GE7386-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <848903.38469.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20080421195254.GE7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <480D058A.6080006@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:48:59AM -0400, E K wrote: > >> I was wondering if it is a good idea to use wireless as an office LAN >> of 20 to 30 employees? Is it technically feasible in terms of >> reliable connection and speed? My experience with Dlink so far is >> anything but unreliable one. >> > > I find wireless at my house painful with one client and the router 5m > away with no walls in between. File transfers at less than 100Mbps is > just horrible, and I would expect anyone setting up a new network to use > gigabit (the switches have become real cheap). > > If you want a reliable network with anything near acceptable speed, then > you want a properly wired network. > > Sometimes wired networks are not an option. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 21:38:09 2008 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:38:09 -0400 Subject: Heron planning Message-ID: <20080421173809.67e764e9.tleslie@tcn.net> Gutsy was my first use of ubuntu, and there are a few annoying things i need heron to fix, else its back to openSuse. Having said that, I installed a beta of heron and then did a update (i guess to take it to a more recent beta), and it pooched my install :( oh well it was a beta so that stuff happens. Anyways, for gutsy it was a bit of a pain with the download around the time of release, is it the case that: if i download the current beta, and then attempt a update on the day of the heron release, is that likely to get me a release version of heron up and running faster? i guess if someone knows a secret rarely used mirror link for thursday morning, that might do to, but I am going up to cottage this weekend, and I really wanted a fresh Heron on my puter prior to then (to take up), and I am thinking the updating of a installed beta might work faster if the "lines are jammed" so to speak, with full CD iso downloaders on thursday and friday. -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 22:01:31 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:01:31 -0400 Subject: Buzzword Bingo Ultimate Edition! Message-ID: <1f13df280804211501m72f8cb3ra8bdfbe6f97bc63@mail.gmail.com> Can anyone here identify the product (or even market niche of the product!) without googling the text below? I knew what it was for and was completely dumbfounded by the verbiage: "Product X enables more productivity with portal lifecycle improvements that simplify deployment, federation, and administration. Combined with the industry leading portal lifecycle management capabilities already available in Product X, release N development capabilities can help speed delivery and maximize opportunity while aligning very well with modern development methodologies such as Agile and XP. Product X v. N has an integrated lifecycle and SOA backbone that helps deliver value by leveraging existing investments, shortening time-to-market, increasing productivity, and lowering run-the-engine costs. Product X compliments modern SOA environments and iterative project development approaches by integrating disparate user experiences and visualizing services while also adding unique value." I'd heard most of those before, but "lowering run-the-engine costs" was new to me and now I just have to buy it. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 22:19:43 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:19:43 -0400 Subject: SPAMMERS DIE In-Reply-To: <49e826e90804211413l4d6b523as8b366b0bc7cf9721-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <480CD947.10604@alteeve.com> <20080421195704.GH7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <49e826e90804211413l4d6b523as8b366b0bc7cf9721@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080421221943.GI7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 05:13:33PM -0400, Asaf Maruf wrote: > I used http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ a few years back. Once you have > trained this application, it is able to detect spam at a consistent 90% and > up of mail flowing into the inbox. Over time, the spam detection reaches > 98%+. > > It is open-source. So is bogofilter, and it seems at least for me with the training it has had to be near 99% effective (and I think in 3 years I have only found 1 or 2 false positives. I do check my spam folder regularly). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 22:20:23 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:20:23 -0400 Subject: Wifi LAN? In-Reply-To: <480D058A.6080006-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <848903.38469.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20080421195254.GE7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <480D058A.6080006@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080421222023.GJ7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 05:22:18PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Sometimes wired networks are not an option. And when would that be? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 22:24:04 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:24:04 -0400 Subject: Buzzword Bingo Ultimate Edition! In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804211501m72f8cb3ra8bdfbe6f97bc63-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804211501m72f8cb3ra8bdfbe6f97bc63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080421222404.GK7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 06:01:31PM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > Can anyone here identify the product (or even market niche of the > product!) without googling the text below? I knew what it was for and > was completely dumbfounded by the verbiage: > > "Product X enables more productivity with portal lifecycle > improvements that simplify deployment, federation, and administration. > Combined with the industry leading portal lifecycle management > capabilities already available in Product X, release N development > capabilities can help speed delivery and maximize opportunity while > aligning very well with modern development methodologies such as Agile > and XP. Product X v. N has an integrated lifecycle and SOA backbone > that helps deliver value by leveraging existing investments, > shortening time-to-market, increasing productivity, and lowering > run-the-engine costs. Product X compliments modern SOA environments > and iterative project development approaches by integrating disparate > user experiences and visualizing services while also adding unique > value." > > I'd heard most of those before, but "lowering run-the-engine costs" > was new to me and now I just have to buy it. Nope I couldn't guess. Of course it is a product aimed at people using a technology I keep insisting has to just be a fad that people will get over as soon as they regain their sanity. So far no luck on that. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 22:34:17 2008 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Buzzword Bingo Ultimate Edition! In-Reply-To: <20080421222404.GK7386-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804211501m72f8cb3ra8bdfbe6f97bc63@mail.gmail.com> <20080421222404.GK7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 06:01:31PM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > > Can anyone here identify the product (or even market niche of the > > product!) without googling the text below? I knew what it was for > > and was completely dumbfounded by the verbiage: > > > > "Product X enables more productivity with portal lifecycle > > improvements that simplify deployment, federation, and > > administration. Combined with the industry leading portal > > lifecycle management capabilities already available in Product X, > > release N development capabilities can help speed delivery and > > maximize opportunity while aligning very well with modern > > development methodologies such as Agile and XP. Product X v. N has > > an integrated lifecycle and SOA backbone that helps deliver value > > by leveraging existing investments, shortening time-to-market, > > increasing productivity, and lowering run-the-engine costs. > > Product X compliments modern SOA environments and iterative > > project development approaches by integrating disparate user > > experiences and visualizing services while also adding unique > > value." > > > > I'd heard most of those before, but "lowering run-the-engine > > costs" was new to me and now I just have to buy it. > > Nope I couldn't guess. bread! apples! very small rocks! churches! lead! a duck. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 23:14:18 2008 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Funny: Dell Windows machines cost less than Ubuntu machine In-Reply-To: <480CCD3E.1060103-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <480CCD3E.1060103@rogers.com> Message-ID: <363783.35674.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- John McGregor wrote: > E K wrote: > > Knowing that machines are built after order is placed, I don't > > understand why Dell has Windows on promotion instead of the > machine > > itself (the hardware). > > > > EK > > > Likely because Microsoft does not want any mainstream manufacturer > putting an actual price on pre-installed versions of its operating > systems -- which would be the case if the hardware were priced > separately from the operating system. Imagine the turmoil it would > cause if it came out that Dell was getting a substantially lower > volume discount from Microsoft than say HP or a smaller player > like Toshiba. > > John > The point is that Windows should not be on promotion on a particula Dell machine. Either it should be on promotion on all machines or Dell should be promoting a hardware with all Operating system. Promoting a particular OS on a particular machine is like letting MS eat the profit and appreare cheap. Which is a lie. The message is something like: "If you think Open source is free, then Windows is cheaper than free - it will subsides your hardware". lol EK > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 22 00:47:38 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:47:38 -0400 Subject: screen resolution not saving In-Reply-To: <20080421195442.GF7386-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <480CAFD6.2070706@chrisaitken.net> <20080421195442.GF7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <480D35AA.807@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:16:38AM -0400, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I have to change my screen resolution every time I boot my ubuntu 7.10 >> computer. >> >> I get a message: >> >> ! User's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents default >> session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user and >> have 644 permissions. User's $HOME directory must be owned by user and >> not writable by other users. >> >> So, I did the following: >> >> I ran... >> >> chris at bpc:~$ sudo chown chris /home/chris/.dmrc >> >> then I ran... >> >> chris at bpc:~$ chmod 644 /home/chris/.dmrc >> >> then I ran... >> >> chris at bpc:~$ sudo chown chris /home/chris >> >> I'm still having the same problem. >> >> Any next steps I can try? >> > > ls -ld /home/chris /home/chris/.dmrc > > Make sure that both are only writeable by your user (so 755 or 750 or > whichever for the home directory, and 644 or 640 or whatever for the > file. > > Isn't that what I've already done? (see above) chris at bpc:~$ ls -ld /home/chris /home/chris/.dmrc drwxrwxrwx 39 chris chris 4096 2008-04-21 18:26 /home/chris -rw-r--r-- 1 chris chris 28 2008-04-01 19:46 /home/chris/.dmrc chris at bpc:~$ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 22 01:17:53 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:17:53 -0400 Subject: Wifi LAN? In-Reply-To: <20080421222023.GJ7386-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <848903.38469.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20080421195254.GE7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <480D058A.6080006@rogers.com> <20080421222023.GJ7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <480D3CC1.4070009@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 05:22:18PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > >> Sometimes wired networks are not an option. >> > > And when would that be? > > You might be in a building where you can't drill holes. Temporary offices etc. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 22 01:31:35 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:31:35 -0400 Subject: Wifi LAN? In-Reply-To: <761054.25103.qm-0RkZbrhdlmH5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <761054.25103.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <480D3FF7.1090404@rogers.com> E K wrote: > --- James Knott wrote: > > >> E K wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I was wondering if it is a good idea to use wireless as an office >>> >> LAN >> >>> of 20 to 30 employees? Is it technically feasible in terms of >>> reliable connection and speed? My experience with Dlink so far is >>> anything but unreliable one. >>> >> It's certainly doable, but it depends on how much traffic the users >> >> generate. Also, for office use, I'd avoid using consumer grade >> gear. >> >> > > Can you give me some pointers to expertise in this area and possibly > on VoWIFI. If you have done these and are available to do consulting > work let me know. > > I work in the telecom field, with some computer networks involved. The issues with consumer gear are performance and configuration & features. For example, a WiFi access point from one supplier supports 8 VLAN's so you can separate users according to needs, even though they connect to the same access point. Another company makes WiFi gear that uses dumb access points, connected back to a switch that enables fast switching between access points and also better reuse of the channel. Things like DHCP servers support far more options etc. It's a whole different world and costs more too. Search on names such as Adtran, Allied Telesis or Extricom for examples. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 21 22:14:56 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Buzzword Bingo Ultimate Edition! In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804211501m72f8cb3ra8bdfbe6f97bc63-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804211501m72f8cb3ra8bdfbe6f97bc63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21383.72.141.149.78.1208816096.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Can anyone here identify the product (or even market niche of the > product!) without googling the text below? I knew what it was for and > was completely dumbfounded by the verbiage: > A modern version of the TurboEncabulator! http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~ids/dotdot/misc/jokes/turboencabulator.txt -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 22 11:47:03 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:47:03 -0400 Subject: Buzzword Bingo Ultimate Edition! In-Reply-To: <21383.72.141.149.78.1208816096.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804211501m72f8cb3ra8bdfbe6f97bc63@mail.gmail.com> <21383.72.141.149.78.1208816096.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <1f13df280804220447k246e90cfj2981449e906e7b1d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:14 PM, wrote: > > Can anyone here identify the product (or even market niche of the > > product!) without googling the text below? I knew what it was for and > > was completely dumbfounded by the verbiage: I was fumbling for words when I first wrote this. I couldn't think of the right one at the time, so I said "dumbfounded." The word I was looking for was "gobsmacked." > A modern version of the TurboEncabulator! > http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~ids/dotdot/misc/jokes/turboencabulator.txt My father had (has?) a 1970s Alfa Romeo car manual that includes reference to a "ideogram illumination intensity adjustment potentiometer." This is actually entirely accurate, it's just not a good choice of translation: they're talking about the dashboard light dimmer. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 22 12:05:45 2008 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:05:45 -0400 Subject: Buzzword Bingo Ultimate Edition! In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804220447k246e90cfj2981449e906e7b1d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804211501m72f8cb3ra8bdfbe6f97bc63@mail.gmail.com> <21383.72.141.149.78.1208816096.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1f13df280804220447k246e90cfj2981449e906e7b1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Giles Orr wrote: > My father had (has?) a 1970s Alfa Romeo car manual that includes > reference to a "ideogram illumination intensity adjustment > potentiometer." This is actually entirely accurate, it's just not a > good choice of translation: they're talking about the dashboard light > dimmer. When the first GE-115 computer came across from Olivetti, not too much earlier than that, the company hired a commercial translating service to do the documentation. It came back with a lot of strange phrases like that. The only one to stick in my mind is "coherent elaboration of flows". They wound up installing the system by setting up the mainframe, peripherals, and cables exactly as shown in the photos, then hooking up the connectors that were nearest each other. The Italian tech-speak for c.e.f. meant "logical file processing". Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 22 13:27:02 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:27:02 -0400 Subject: Buzzword Bingo Ultimate Edition! In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804220447k246e90cfj2981449e906e7b1d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804211501m72f8cb3ra8bdfbe6f97bc63@mail.gmail.com> <21383.72.141.149.78.1208816096.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1f13df280804220447k246e90cfj2981449e906e7b1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080422132702.GL7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 07:47:03AM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > My father had (has?) a 1970s Alfa Romeo car manual that includes > reference to a "ideogram illumination intensity adjustment > potentiometer." This is actually entirely accurate, it's just not a > good choice of translation: they're talking about the dashboard light > dimmer. Well clearly. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 22 13:29:37 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:29:37 -0400 Subject: screen resolution not saving In-Reply-To: <480D35AA.807-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <480CAFD6.2070706@chrisaitken.net> <20080421195442.GF7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <480D35AA.807@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080422132937.GM7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 08:47:38PM -0400, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > Isn't that what I've already done? (see above) > > chris at bpc:~$ ls -ld /home/chris /home/chris/.dmrc > drwxrwxrwx 39 chris chris 4096 2008-04-21 18:26 /home/chris > -rw-r--r-- 1 chris chris 28 2008-04-01 19:46 /home/chris/.dmrc > chris at bpc:~$ Your home directory is writeable by all. That isn't allowed by many programs (since any user could write anything they want to your home dir (or even delete files in it). chmod og-w /home/chris (to remove group and other write permissions). drwxr-xr-x would be correct. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 22 13:31:18 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:31:18 -0400 Subject: Wifi LAN? In-Reply-To: <480D3CC1.4070009-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <848903.38469.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20080421195254.GE7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <480D058A.6080006@rogers.com> <20080421222023.GJ7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <480D3CC1.4070009@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080422133118.GN7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 09:17:53PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > You might be in a building where you can't drill holes. Temporary > offices etc. duct tape. Excellent at holding wires in place, even on the ceiling. :) Besides does anyone have an office that isn't wired anymore? Wouldn't that be a checklist item when looking for space? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 22 13:49:53 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:49:53 -0400 Subject: Wifi LAN? In-Reply-To: <20080422133118.GN7386-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <848903.38469.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20080421195254.GE7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <480D058A.6080006@rogers.com> <20080421222023.GJ7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <480D3CC1.4070009@rogers.com> <20080422133118.GN7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <480DED01.4010606@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 09:17:53PM -0400, James Knott wrote: >> You might be in a building where you can't drill holes. Temporary >> offices etc. > > duct tape. Excellent at holding wires in place, even on the ceiling. :) > > Besides does anyone have an office that isn't wired anymore? Wouldn't > that be a checklist item when looking for space? > There are many old buildings around, where it is difficult to run cables and some people do worry about appearance. Also, there are many situations where mobility is important. Fox example, last year my company was involved with a job at a large green house. The staff there used tablet computers, as they wandered around, doing their work. Similar situations occur in hospitals etc. Another example would be in the library or coffee shops etc., where people bring their computers and just use them, without worrying about ethernet connections. At home, while I do have ethernet, I also take my notebook out onto the balcony or some times, even when using it at my desk, I don't bother plugging it the ethernet cable. Some computers, such as my Nokia N800 don't even have an ethernet connection, though it does have WiFi. Regardless, the most appropriate connection method depends on needs and whatever works best in that environment. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 22 14:33:14 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Buzzword Bingo Ultimate Edition! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <318908.26285.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Mel Wilson wrote: > Giles Orr wrote: > > My father had (has?) a 1970s Alfa Romeo car manual > that includes > > reference to a "ideogram illumination intensity > adjustment > > potentiometer." This is actually entirely > accurate, it's just not a > > good choice of translation: they're talking about > the dashboard light > > dimmer. > > When the first GE-115 computer came across from > Olivetti, not too much > earlier than that, the company hired a commercial > translating service > to do the documentation. It came back with a lot of > strange phrases > like that. The only one to stick in my mind is > "coherent elaboration > of flows". They wound up installing the system by > setting up the > mainframe, peripherals, and cables exactly as shown > in the photos, > then hooking up the connectors that were nearest > each other. > > The Italian tech-speak for c.e.f. meant "logical > file processing". > > Mel. I had a summer job at Olivetti Canada where I helped do support on their first PC to be built around a 16-bit microprocessor. The original plan had been (a plan killed by Olivetti USA in very short order) to call this 16-bit machine the "Olivetti M16". For those who don't get why Olivetti USA would object to the name M16, keep in mind that the M16 is also the name of the US Army's then (and current) standard infantry rifle (part of a series of rifles dating back to the WWII era M1 rifle)... Case of due to Olivetti USA the machine in question was renamed the M20, but periodically we in support would see documents refferring to the M16... Had they kept the original name it could have made for some great advertising, like: "Win the office automation war, get an Olivetti M16 and blow away the competition...". Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 22 16:46:19 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Buzzword Bingo Ultimate Edition! In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df280804211501m72f8cb3ra8bdfbe6f97bc63@mail.gmail.com> <21383.72.141.149.78.1208816096.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1f13df280804220447k246e90cfj2981449e906e7b1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Mel Wilson | When the first GE-115 computer came across from Olivetti, I'd never heard of the GE-115. Googling doesn't seem to lead to a description of the architecture (i.e. instruction set etc.). But it does lead to information about the industrial designer. Apparently he went on to form Memphis. http://www.dundee.ac.uk/graduation2007/sottsasslaureation.html He was 90 last year, the year this degree was conferred. Bull / Olivetti / GE / Honeywell etc. treated their computer business as some kind of hot potato. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 22 17:25:49 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:25:49 -0400 Subject: Buzzword Bingo Ultimate Edition! In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df280804211501m72f8cb3ra8bdfbe6f97bc63@mail.gmail.com> <21383.72.141.149.78.1208816096.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1f13df280804220447k246e90cfj2981449e906e7b1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080422172549.GO7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:46:19PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Mel Wilson > > | When the first GE-115 computer came across from Olivetti, > > I'd never heard of the GE-115. Googling doesn't seem to lead to a > description of the architecture (i.e. instruction set etc.). But it > does lead to information about the industrial designer. Apparently he > went on to form Memphis. > http://www.dundee.ac.uk/graduation2007/sottsasslaureation.html > He was 90 last year, the year this degree was conferred. > > Bull / Olivetti / GE / Honeywell etc. treated their computer business as > some kind of hot potato. How about this then? http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/text/GE/GE.GE-115SystemSoftware.1967.102646096.pdf -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 22 21:32:49 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Buzzword Bingo Ultimate Edition! In-Reply-To: <20080422172549.GO7386-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804211501m72f8cb3ra8bdfbe6f97bc63@mail.gmail.com> <21383.72.141.149.78.1208816096.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1f13df280804220447k246e90cfj2981449e906e7b1d@mail.gmail.com> <20080422172549.GO7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:46:19PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > | From: Mel Wilson | > | > | When the first GE-115 computer came across from Olivetti, | > | > I'd never heard of the GE-115. Googling doesn't seem to lead to a | > description of the architecture (i.e. instruction set etc.). But it | > does lead to information about the industrial designer. Apparently he | > went on to form Memphis. | > http://www.dundee.ac.uk/graduation2007/sottsasslaureation.html | > He was 90 last year, the year this degree was conferred. | > | > Bull / Olivetti / GE / Honeywell etc. treated their computer business as | > some kind of hot potato. | | How about this then? | http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/text/GE/GE.GE-115SystemSoftware.1967.102646096.pdf Thanks. I had read that. What do you mean by "How about this then?"? If you trimmed your quote I'd know what you were responding to. It certainly doesn't tell me much about the architecture (i.e. instruction set etc.). It suggests that they probably start with 4K (bytes? words?) of memory and can go up to at least 12k. They seem to be able to control tape drives, disc (sic) drives, printers, card readers, and card punches, -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 22 21:59:43 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:59:43 -0400 Subject: Google: Incorrect language settings In-Reply-To: <#14.10034d30.fad2443f.480e5418.15c5-5eV9y1fHZ7CGQKIYTnm50dBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <#14.10034d30.fad2443f.480e5418.15c5@google.trakken.com> Message-ID: <480E5FCF.5000900@utoronto.ca> Had an interesting problem crop up with Google recently, seems they're not totally on the ball when it comes to non-US networks and their language redirection. Specifically, I've seen Teksavvy IP addresses in the 69.196.138.0/24 range constantly being sent to google.es with all results in Spanish. Hoping it doesn't take up to the month they say it might. Anyone else seen this? Jamon Google Help wrote: > Hi Jamon, > > Thank you for your note. We recently updated our location files and we > understand you're now being redirected to www.google.es. As you may know, > we normally redirect users in countries other than the United States from > Google.com to one of our country-specific sites (e.g. www.google.co.uk for > Google UK) to provide easy access to country-specific search features. > > We investigated the IP address you provided and have verified that we now > have the correct information on file for your location. In some instances, > it can take more than a month for these issues to be resolved. > > In the meantime, if users would prefer to visit a domain other than the > one we're redirecting them to, they can set a bookmark for that specific > domain. To see a complete listing of international Google domains, please > visit http://www.google.com/language_tools > > We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused, and we appreciate your > patience. > > Original Message Follows: > ------------------------ > From: > Subject: Incorrect language settings > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:27:15 -0700 > > When using your search engine and suite of various services, addresses > in the 69.196.138.0/24 range seem to be redirecting to google.es and > changing language to Spanish. That is plainly not the case as Teksavvy > (the isp) is in Ontario Canada. > > phaedrus% whois 69.196.138.185 > [Querying whois.arin.net] > [Redirected to rwhois.teksavvy.com:4321] > [Querying rwhois.teksavvy.com] > [rwhois.teksavvy.com] > %rwhois V-1.5:002010:00 rwhois.teksavvy.com (by Network Solutions, Inc. > V-1.5.9.5) > network:Auth-Area:. > network:Class-Name:network > network:IP-Network:69.196.138.0/24 > network:Organization:TekSavvy Solutions Inc. > network:Street-Address:330 Richmond Street, Suite 205 > network:Street-Address:Chatham, Ontario, N7M 1P7 > network:Country-Code:CA > > This is interfering with pretty much every client that connects to your > service, Windows, Linux, OSX so if anyone can shed some light on the > problem or change the settings for that /24 block that would be much > appreciated. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 22 23:05:39 2008 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:05:39 -0400 Subject: Buzzword Bingo Ultimate Edition! In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804211501m72f8cb3ra8bdfbe6f97bc63-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804211501m72f8cb3ra8bdfbe6f97bc63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200804221905.39792.amarjan@pobox.com> On April 21, 2008 06:01:31 pm Giles Orr wrote: > Can anyone here identify the product (or even market niche of the > product!) without googling the text below? I knew what it was for and > was completely dumbfounded by the verbiage: > > "Product X enables more productivity with portal lifecycle > improvements that simplify deployment, federation, and administration. > Combined with the industry leading portal lifecycle management > capabilities already available in Product X, release N development > capabilities can help speed delivery and maximize opportunity while > aligning very well with modern development methodologies such as Agile > and XP. Product X v. N has an integrated lifecycle and SOA backbone > that helps deliver value by leveraging existing investments, > shortening time-to-market, increasing productivity, and lowering > run-the-engine costs. Product X compliments modern SOA environments > and iterative project development approaches by integrating disparate > user experiences and visualizing services while also adding unique > value." > > I'd heard most of those before, but "lowering run-the-engine costs" > was new to me and now I just have to buy it. IBM WebSphere Portal? BEA/Oracle equivalent? JBoss? The real question is, are the SOA environments flattered by the compliments? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 01:32:36 2008 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:32:36 -0400 Subject: Heron planning In-Reply-To: <20080421173809.67e764e9.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20080421173809.67e764e9.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <200804222132.36407.amarjan@pobox.com> On April 21, 2008 05:38:09 pm ted leslie wrote: > Gutsy was my first use of ubuntu, and there are a few annoying > things i need heron to fix, else its back to openSuse. > Having said that, I installed a beta of heron > and then did a update (i guess to take it to a more recent beta), > and it pooched my install :( oh well it was a beta > so that stuff happens. > Anyways, for gutsy it was a bit of a pain with the download around the time > of release, > > is it the case that: > if i download the current beta, and then attempt > a update on the day of the heron release, > is that likely to get me a release > version of heron up and running faster? Probably. One would hope there won't be too much package churn between now and the release. Of course you run the risk that an upgrade will hose your system again, and Ubuntu version upgrades haven't always been smooth so you might get a better experience with a clean install of Hardy. That said, I've had no problems with my own Gutsy to Hardy upgrade so far. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 02:51:46 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:51:46 -0400 Subject: Buzzword Bingo Ultimate Edition! In-Reply-To: <200804221905.39792.amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804211501m72f8cb3ra8bdfbe6f97bc63@mail.gmail.com> <200804221905.39792.amarjan@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280804221951o6e13b36fx8a5383bd3d28ba18@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Andrej Marjan wrote: > On April 21, 2008 06:01:31 pm Giles Orr wrote: > > Can anyone here identify the product (or even market niche of the > > product!) without googling the text below? I knew what it was for and > > was completely dumbfounded by the verbiage: > > > > "Product X enables more productivity with portal lifecycle > > improvements that simplify deployment, federation, and administration. > > Combined with the industry leading portal lifecycle management > > capabilities already available in Product X, release N development > > capabilities can help speed delivery and maximize opportunity while > > aligning very well with modern development methodologies such as Agile > > and XP. Product X v. N has an integrated lifecycle and SOA backbone > > that helps deliver value by leveraging existing investments, > > shortening time-to-market, increasing productivity, and lowering > > run-the-engine costs. Product X compliments modern SOA environments > > and iterative project development approaches by integrating disparate > > user experiences and visualizing services while also adding unique > > value." > > > > I'd heard most of those before, but "lowering run-the-engine costs" > > was new to me and now I just have to buy it. > > IBM WebSphere Portal? BEA/Oracle equivalent? JBoss? Congratulations Andrej! "BEA WebLogic Portal" is the correct answer! :-) http://www.bea.com/framework.jsp?CNT=index.htm&FP=/content/products/weblogic/ -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 13:13:22 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:13:22 -0400 Subject: screen resolution not saving In-Reply-To: <480D35AA.807-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <480CAFD6.2070706@chrisaitken.net> <20080421195442.GF7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <480D35AA.807@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <480F35F2.4040206@chrisaitken.net> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:16:38AM -0400, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: >> >>> I have to change my screen resolution every time I boot my ubuntu >>> 7.10 computer. >>> >>> I get a message: >>> >>> ! User's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents default >>> session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user >>> and have 644 permissions. User's $HOME directory must be owned by >>> user and not writable by other users. >>> >>> So, I did the following: >>> >>> I ran... >>> >>> chris at bpc:~$ sudo chown chris /home/chris/.dmrc >>> >>> then I ran... >>> >>> chris at bpc:~$ chmod 644 /home/chris/.dmrc >>> >>> then I ran... >>> >>> chris at bpc:~$ sudo chown chris /home/chris >>> >>> I'm still having the same problem. >>> >>> Any next steps I can try? >>> >> >> ls -ld /home/chris /home/chris/.dmrc >> >> Make sure that both are only writeable by your user (so 755 or 750 or >> whichever for the home directory, and 644 or 640 or whatever for the >> file. Okay, I did all you suggested: chris at bpc:~$ chmod -R 750 /home/chris chris at bpc:~$ ls -ld /home/chris /home/chris drwxr-x--- 39 chris chris 4096 2008-04-22 21:48 /home/chris drwxr-x--- 39 chris chris 4096 2008-04-22 21:48 /home/chris chris at bpc:~$ chmod -R 644 /home/chris/.dmrc chris at bpc:~$ ls -ld /home/chris /home/chris/.dmrc drwxr-x--- 39 chris chris 4096 2008-04-22 21:48 /home/chris -rw-r--r-- 1 chris chris 28 2008-04-22 21:48 /home/chris/.dmrc chris at bpc:~$ Now I'm not getting the " ! User's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored..." error ( a good thing), but my screen resolution/frequency (that I set in System > Administration > Screens and Graphics) is still not persisting through logons and reboots. I had assumed that this problem and the permissions problem were related. Maybe not... Any ideas how to get my screen resolution/frequency to persist? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 13:29:20 2008 From: myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:29:20 -0400 Subject: Google: Incorrect language settings In-Reply-To: <480E5FCF.5000900-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <#14.10034d30.fad2443f.480e5418.15c5@google.trakken.com> <480E5FCF.5000900@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <84E3DA5A-C4BF-4CC4-A7B5-DD98BA2A9C93@monkeyinyoursoul.com> I always thought it made the redirection once and then cached that result because when I am in another country I still get redirected to google.ca. --- Myles Braithwaite myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org Please consider the trees before print this email. On 22-Apr-08, at 5:59 PM, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Had an interesting problem crop up with Google recently, seems > they're not totally on the ball when it comes to non-US networks and > their language redirection. Specifically, I've seen Teksavvy IP > addresses in the 69.196.138.0/24 range constantly being sent to > google.es with all results in Spanish. > > Hoping it doesn't take up to the month they say it might. Anyone > else seen this? > > Jamon > > Google Help wrote: >> Hi Jamon, >> Thank you for your note. We recently updated our location files and >> we >> understand you're now being redirected to www.google.es. As you may >> know, >> we normally redirect users in countries other than the United >> States from >> Google.com to one of our country-specific sites (e.g. www.google.co.uk >> for >> Google UK) to provide easy access to country-specific search >> features. >> We investigated the IP address you provided and have verified that >> we now >> have the correct information on file for your location. In some >> instances, >> it can take more than a month for these issues to be resolved. >> In the meantime, if users would prefer to visit a domain other than >> the >> one we're redirecting them to, they can set a bookmark for that >> specific >> domain. To see a complete listing of international Google domains, >> please >> visit http://www.google.com/language_tools We apologize for any >> inconvenience this has caused, and we appreciate your >> patience. >> Original Message Follows: >> ------------------------ >> From: >> Subject: Incorrect language settings >> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:27:15 -0700 >> When using your search engine and suite of various services, >> addresses in the 69.196.138.0/24 range seem to be redirecting to >> google.es and changing language to Spanish. That is plainly not the >> case as Teksavvy (the isp) is in Ontario Canada. >> phaedrus% whois 69.196.138.185 >> [Querying whois.arin.net] >> [Redirected to rwhois.teksavvy.com:4321] >> [Querying rwhois.teksavvy.com] >> [rwhois.teksavvy.com] >> %rwhois V-1.5:002010:00 rwhois.teksavvy.com (by Network Solutions, >> Inc. >> V-1.5.9.5) >> network:Auth-Area:. >> network:Class-Name:network >> network:IP-Network:69.196.138.0/24 >> network:Organization:TekSavvy Solutions Inc. >> network:Street-Address:330 Richmond Street, Suite 205 >> network:Street-Address:Chatham, Ontario, N7M 1P7 >> network:Country-Code:CA >> This is interfering with pretty much every client that connects to >> your service, Windows, Linux, OSX so if anyone can shed some light >> on the problem or change the settings for that /24 block that would >> be much >> appreciated. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 13:34:33 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:34:33 -0400 Subject: screen resolution not saving In-Reply-To: <480F35F2.4040206-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <480CAFD6.2070706@chrisaitken.net> <20080421195442.GF7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <480D35AA.807@chrisaitken.net> <480F35F2.4040206@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <480F3AE9.9020405@utoronto.ca> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > Mr Chris Aitken wrote: >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:16:38AM -0400, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: >>> >>>> I have to change my screen resolution every time I boot my ubuntu >>>> 7.10 computer. >>>> >>>> I get a message: >>>> >>>> ! User's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents default >>>> session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user >>>> and have 644 permissions. User's $HOME directory must be owned by >>>> user and not writable by other users. >>>> >>>> So, I did the following: >>>> >>>> I ran... >>>> >>>> chris at bpc:~$ sudo chown chris /home/chris/.dmrc >>>> >>>> then I ran... >>>> >>>> chris at bpc:~$ chmod 644 /home/chris/.dmrc >>>> >>>> then I ran... >>>> >>>> chris at bpc:~$ sudo chown chris /home/chris >>>> >>>> I'm still having the same problem. >>>> >>>> Any next steps I can try? >>>> >>> >>> ls -ld /home/chris /home/chris/.dmrc >>> >>> Make sure that both are only writeable by your user (so 755 or 750 or >>> whichever for the home directory, and 644 or 640 or whatever for the >>> file. > Okay, I did all you suggested: > > chris at bpc:~$ chmod -R 750 /home/chris > chris at bpc:~$ ls -ld /home/chris /home/chris > drwxr-x--- 39 chris chris 4096 2008-04-22 21:48 /home/chris > drwxr-x--- 39 chris chris 4096 2008-04-22 21:48 /home/chris > chris at bpc:~$ chmod -R 644 /home/chris/.dmrc > chris at bpc:~$ ls -ld /home/chris /home/chris/.dmrc > drwxr-x--- 39 chris chris 4096 2008-04-22 21:48 /home/chris > -rw-r--r-- 1 chris chris 28 2008-04-22 21:48 /home/chris/.dmrc > chris at bpc:~$ > > Now I'm not getting the " ! User's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored..." > error ( a good thing), but my screen resolution/frequency (that I set in > System > Administration > Screens and Graphics) is still not persisting > through logons and reboots. I had assumed that this problem and the > permissions problem were related. Maybe not... > > Any ideas how to get my screen resolution/frequency to persist? A friend of mine was having the same problem with the resolution on his 24" monitor dropping down to 800x600 on each login/logout. Turns out it was some setting deep in gconf that was controlling it. I have fought with gconf on other people's machines enough to seriously question the effectiveness of it. Compared to (what is in my mind) a simple .kde directory with easily edited and understood configuration files for each kde application, I might as well just go use Windows since gconf behaves in much the same way as the registry. I know that's not really the case, but (imo) gconf sucks pretty terribly. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 13:42:15 2008 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The TASK user group meeting... Message-ID: <367539.10849.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> A week from now the TASK (Toronto Area Security Klatch) folks will have their monthly meeting, details below... From: "TASK Executive" To: "colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org" Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:01:41 -0400 Subject: TASK April Event Reminder - Incident Management and BlackHat Europe! A reminder of this month's TASK event. Great topics, exciting speaker line up and great networking as always! Be on the look out for another email full of TASK benefits soon. (CISSP training coming). When: Wednesday, April 30, 2008, 6pm-9pm Location: Pharmacy Building, Room B250, 144 College St. Visit the website for more details and directions. Speaker one: How to implement a Security & Privacy incident management program (Bobby Singh, SSHA) The purpose of the presentation is to provide an overview on how to build a comprehensive and integrated security and privacy incident management program. Privacy incidents such as accidental disclosure of patient health information are becoming more and more common, and but there are few case studies or documented examples on how to deal with these types of incidents available to help organizations effectively manage these incidents. The presentation will cover key processes and work flows, and provide an understanding of important touch points inside the organization. Highlights include: - Use cases ?€“ unauthorized or illegal use, collection, disclosure, or disposal of personal or personal health information - Incident management work flows for various types of privacy breaches - Identification of key areas of integration. The security & privacy incident management program must be integrated with other parts of the organization for it to function efficiently and effectively. Linkages could be established with security operations, help desk, etc. - Lessons learned ?€“ sharing do?€™s and don?€™ts when building a privacy-focused incident management program - How to maintain privacy of a privacy incident ?€“ how to triage an incident without revealing too much information to other parties My goal is to have participants walk away with a good understanding of how to manage privacy breaches and what to do in their respective organizations to ensure an effective handling of these types of incidents. Mr. Bobby Singh has 14 plus years experience in IT security with extensive experience in risk management, business operations, public relations, consulting and auditing. As the Director of Information Security for Smart Systems for Health Agency (SSHA), Mr. Singh?€™s role involves ensuring that security is built-in both at the organization-level and to SSHA products and services. He provides leadership in the development and promotion of security standards and practices within SSHA. Mr. Singh has broad experience developing and implementing security programs for public and private sector organizations. He is a frequent speaker at conferences and round tables. Prior to joining SSHA, Mr. Singh has held positions at Bank of America and Deloitte were he focused on delivering security services to clients and developing their security practice. Mr. Singh received his MBA from University of Pittsburgh and holds CISSP, CISM, CISA and CPA designations. Speaker two: Jeremy Richards, DigitalDefence Jeremy recently attended the Blackhat conference in Amsterdam. He'll be providing an overview of the European Blackhat community, speaking about training he received in reverse engineering malware, and setting the stage for Blackhat in Vegas! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 13:44:31 2008 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:44:31 -0400 Subject: Large socket servers In-Reply-To: <480F3AE9.9020405-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <480CAFD6.2070706@chrisaitken.net> <20080421195442.GF7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <480D35AA.807@chrisaitken.net> <480F35F2.4040206@chrisaitken.net> <480F3AE9.9020405@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <480F3D3F.90801@rogers.com> Hey All, Been fiddling with some software called Electrotank (http://www.electrotank.com) and I've come to hate it. It's written in Java, which is a mortal sin to begin with, but I'm also finding it's performance lacking. Has anyone played around with competing packages, preferably something written in a language more suited to this task, and capable (via clustering of some sort if necessary) of serving from 50,000 to 250,000 socket connections or more? If not, there might be a market opportunity for someone here... Cheers, Byron -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 13:49:25 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:49:25 -0400 Subject: Buzzword Bingo Ultimate Edition! In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df280804211501m72f8cb3ra8bdfbe6f97bc63@mail.gmail.com> <21383.72.141.149.78.1208816096.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1f13df280804220447k246e90cfj2981449e906e7b1d@mail.gmail.com> <20080422172549.GO7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080423134925.GP7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 05:32:49PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I had read that. > > What do you mean by "How about this then?"? If you trimmed your quote I'd > know what you were responding to. > > It certainly doesn't tell me much about the architecture (i.e. > instruction set etc.). It suggests that they probably start with 4K > (bytes? words?) of memory and can go up to at least 12k. They seem > to be able to control tape drives, disc (sic) drives, printers, card > readers, and card punches, True it doesn't mention the architecture but at least google isn't completely void of some information on the existence of the model. I wonder how much information was even available when it was new. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 13:51:54 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:51:54 -0400 Subject: Google: Incorrect language settings In-Reply-To: <480E5FCF.5000900-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <#14.10034d30.fad2443f.480e5418.15c5@google.trakken.com> <480E5FCF.5000900@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20080423135154.GQ7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 05:59:43PM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Had an interesting problem crop up with Google recently, seems they're > not totally on the ball when it comes to non-US networks and their > language redirection. Specifically, I've seen Teksavvy IP addresses in > the 69.196.138.0/24 range constantly being sent to google.es with all > results in Spanish. > > Hoping it doesn't take up to the month they say it might. Anyone else > seen this? Well normally if I type google.ca then I get google.ca. If I type google.com I get google.com. I have never seen google redirect to another domain that the one I typed. When are you seeing this happen? Maybe Bell is having fun because they think TekSavvy is making them look bad over that throttling thing. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 13:54:39 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:54:39 -0400 Subject: screen resolution not saving In-Reply-To: <480F35F2.4040206-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <480CAFD6.2070706@chrisaitken.net> <20080421195442.GF7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <480D35AA.807@chrisaitken.net> <480F35F2.4040206@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080423135439.GR7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 09:13:22AM -0400, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > chris at bpc:~$ chmod -R 750 /home/chris > chris at bpc:~$ ls -ld /home/chris /home/chris > drwxr-x--- 39 chris chris 4096 2008-04-22 21:48 /home/chris > drwxr-x--- 39 chris chris 4096 2008-04-22 21:48 /home/chris > chris at bpc:~$ chmod -R 644 /home/chris/.dmrc > chris at bpc:~$ ls -ld /home/chris /home/chris/.dmrc > drwxr-x--- 39 chris chris 4096 2008-04-22 21:48 /home/chris > -rw-r--r-- 1 chris chris 28 2008-04-22 21:48 /home/chris/.dmrc > chris at bpc:~$ > > Now I'm not getting the " ! User's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored..." > error ( a good thing), but my screen resolution/frequency (that I set in > System > Administration > Screens and Graphics) is still not persisting > through logons and reboots. I had assumed that this problem and the > permissions problem were related. Maybe not... > > Any ideas how to get my screen resolution/frequency to persist? If that doesn't do it, then I don't know. Does it switch if you go in and select a new setting? Of course the setting would have to be valid I guess. I haven't ever used the resolution changing feature in gnome or kde since I personally don't ever want anything but native resolution on my screen. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 13:54:55 2008 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:54:55 -0400 Subject: The TASK user group meeting... In-Reply-To: <367539.10849.qm-iE2/U85ktn6B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <367539.10849.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <480F3FAF.5070604@rogers.com> > Speaker two: > Jeremy Richards, DigitalDefence Jeremy's a good guy - I used to work with him - but more importantly, he has fantastic hair! :) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 14:26:04 2008 From: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org (Scott C. Ripley) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:26:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Large socket servers In-Reply-To: <480F3D3F.90801-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <480CAFD6.2070706@chrisaitken.net> <20080421195442.GF7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <480D35AA.807@chrisaitken.net> <480F35F2.4040206@chrisaitken.net> <480F3AE9.9020405@utoronto.ca> <480F3D3F.90801@rogers.com> Message-ID: Apache MINA is a (java-based) NIO framework: http://mina.apache.org/features.html http://mina.apache.org/performance-test-reports.html On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Byron Sonne wrote: > Hey All, > > Been fiddling with some software called Electrotank > (http://www.electrotank.com) and I've come to hate it. It's written in Java, > which is a mortal sin to begin with, but I'm also finding it's performance > lacking. > > Has anyone played around with competing packages, preferably something > written in a language more suited to this task, and capable (via clustering > of some sort if necessary) of serving from 50,000 to 250,000 socket > connections or more? > > If not, there might be a market opportunity for someone here... > > Cheers, > Byron > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 14:32:49 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:32:49 -0400 Subject: soffice cli interface? Message-ID: <20080423143249.GA32000@watson-wilson.ca> I store my resume as a latex file. With a little scripting I can output this as HTML, txt and PDF. However there are troublesome group of recruiters that can only seem to deal with a resume in Word format. Is it possible to script OpenOffice to convert files from the shell? -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 15:13:51 2008 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:13:51 -0400 Subject: Buzzword Bingo Ultimate Edition! In-Reply-To: <20080423134925.GP7386-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280804211501m72f8cb3ra8bdfbe6f97bc63@mail.gmail.com> <21383.72.141.149.78.1208816096.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1f13df280804220447k246e90cfj2981449e906e7b1d@mail.gmail.com> <20080422172549.GO7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080423134925.GP7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 05:32:49PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> I had read that. >> >> What do you mean by "How about this then?"? If you trimmed your quote I'd >> know what you were responding to. >> >> It certainly doesn't tell me much about the architecture (i.e. >> instruction set etc.). It suggests that they probably start with 4K >> (bytes? words?) of memory and can go up to at least 12k. They seem >> to be able to control tape drives, disc (sic) drives, printers, card >> readers, and card punches, > > True it doesn't mention the architecture but at least google isn't > completely void of some information on the existence of the model. > > I wonder how much information was even available when it was new. Quite a bit, if you'd been a G.E. computer customer back in the '60s, '70s. I didn't know much about them because I was in the "big iron" world of GE-415s. At that level we might see one sitting around to do media spooling. They were full computers, though; ISTR a car dealership, maybe, that did all its D.P. work on one. Hugh supposes right. Memory was in bytes, I think. Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 15:22:35 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:22:35 -0400 Subject: soffice cli interface? In-Reply-To: <20080423143249.GA32000-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080423143249.GA32000@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20080423152235.GS7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:32:49AM -0400, Neil Watson wrote: > I store my resume as a latex file. With a little scripting I can output > this as HTML, txt and PDF. However there are troublesome group of > recruiters that can only seem to deal with a resume in Word format. Is > it possible to script OpenOffice to convert files from the shell? Can you generate it as RTF? Some versions of word used that as their .doc format, so they should be able to read that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 15:29:09 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:29:09 -0400 Subject: soffice cli interface? In-Reply-To: <20080423152235.GS7386-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080423143249.GA32000@watson-wilson.ca> <20080423152235.GS7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080423152909.GA1342@watson-wilson.ca> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:22:35AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >Can you generate it as RTF? Some versions of word used that as their >.doc format, so they should be able to read that. I can. The results are worse than if were to convert an ascii dump into Word via unoconv. So currently I make a PDF and HTML copy. Then I dump the HTML copy via elinks to txt. Then I convert the txt to doc via unoconv. It would be nice if I could get the doc file from the PDF file which has all the nice formatting. -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 15:33:03 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:33:03 -0400 Subject: soffice cli interface? In-Reply-To: <20080423152909.GA1342-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080423143249.GA32000@watson-wilson.ca> <20080423152235.GS7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080423152909.GA1342@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20080423153303.GT7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:29:09AM -0400, Neil Watson wrote: > I can. The results are worse than if were to convert an ascii dump into > Word via unoconv. So currently I make a PDF and HTML copy. Then I dump > the HTML copy via elinks to txt. Then I convert the txt to doc via > unoconv. It would be nice if I could get the doc file from the PDF file > which has all the nice formatting. It seems very tempting to just tell them that microsoft word is NOT a universally available format and you don't have it. But latex2rtf does a bad job of it? How about just generating a postscript file, rendering it as a nice 72dpi image, and inserting that as an image into word, and sending that. They can't search it, but hey that's their stupidity for specifying a stupid format rather than just using pdf or plain text or something else that is actually a documented standard anyone can generate. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 15:40:18 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:40:18 -0400 Subject: soffice cli interface? In-Reply-To: <20080423153303.GT7386-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080423143249.GA32000@watson-wilson.ca> <20080423152235.GS7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080423152909.GA1342@watson-wilson.ca> <20080423153303.GT7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080423154018.GA1513@watson-wilson.ca> Unfortunately I need them more than they need me. Usually I tell them that anything in Word I format nicely could end up being a dog's breakfast once I give it away. They usually accept that but I know they don't like it or really understand it. They certainly will not understand the idea of Word being proprietary and thus not universal. If I give them an embedded image then I'm screwing myself since it will not be searchable in their database. Currently this is the best I can do: http://watson-wilson.ca/resumes/resume_neil_h_watson.html -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 15:47:26 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:47:26 -0400 Subject: soffice cli interface? In-Reply-To: <20080423143249.GA32000-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080423143249.GA32000@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20080423154726.GA16107@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:32:49AM -0400, Neil Watson wrote: > I store my resume as a latex file. With a little scripting I can output > this as HTML, txt and PDF. However there are troublesome group of > recruiters that can only seem to deal with a resume in Word format. Is > it possible to script OpenOffice to convert files from the shell? It definitely is possible, but I have no experience doing so. Perhaps you could start here: http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2006/01/11/from-microsoft-to-openoffice.html Good luck. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 16:22:35 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:22:35 -0400 Subject: soffice cli interface? In-Reply-To: <20080423143249.GA32000-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080423143249.GA32000@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Neil Watson wrote: > I store my resume as a latex file. With a little scripting I can output > this as HTML, txt and PDF. However there are troublesome group of > recruiters that can only seem to deal with a resume in Word format. Is > it possible to script OpenOffice to convert files from the shell? I rather like Lennart's suggestion of generating a .jpg from the PDF form, and embedding that in a Word document. That meshes nicely with the reason why I'd be loathe to allow them to have anything *BUT* a .pdf document, namely the fact that I don't want those sorts of folks to have any capability to modify my resume. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 16:28:10 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:28:10 -0400 Subject: soffice cli interface? In-Reply-To: References: <20080423143249.GA32000@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20080423162810.GU7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:22:35PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > I rather like Lennart's suggestion of generating a .jpg from the PDF > form, and embedding that in a Word document. > > That meshes nicely with the reason why I'd be loathe to allow them to > have anything *BUT* a .pdf document, namely the fact that I don't want > those sorts of folks to have any capability to modify my resume. A PDF might be hard to edit, but not imposible. But certainly harder than word is so it is a valid points for sure. And both can be searched (although there are far more tools capable of searching PDF files than word). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 17:02:32 2008 From: smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sheldon Mustard) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:02:32 -0400 Subject: soffice cli interface? Message-ID: <1314217003-1208970161-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1760033525-@blade4.bis.eval.on.blackberry> Sorry for the top post. If you can get it into od smoothly probably what you are looking for is jodconverter or pyodconverter. Making it not look like *ss once it is in doc format ... godspeed. ------Original Message------ From: Neil Watson Sender: To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org ReplyTo: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: soffice cli interface? Sent: Apr 23, 2008 10:32 AM I store my resume as a latex file. With a little scripting I can output this as HTML, txt and PDF. However there are troublesome group of recruiters that can only seem to deal with a resume in Word format. Is it possible to script OpenOffice to convert files from the shell? -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists Sent from my 8300 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 18:06:26 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:06:26 -0400 Subject: Google: Incorrect language settings In-Reply-To: <20080423135154.GQ7386-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <#14.10034d30.fad2443f.480e5418.15c5@google.trakken.com> <480E5FCF.5000900@utoronto.ca> <20080423135154.GQ7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1f13df280804231106r7eb87c76ve809f505f70362c2@mail.gmail.com> On 4/23/08, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 05:59:43PM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > > Had an interesting problem crop up with Google recently, seems they're > > not totally on the ball when it comes to non-US networks and their > > language redirection. Specifically, I've seen Teksavvy IP addresses in > > the 69.196.138.0/24 range constantly being sent to google.es with all > > results in Spanish. > > > > Hoping it doesn't take up to the month they say it might. Anyone else > > seen this? > > Well normally if I type google.ca then I get google.ca. If I type > google.com I get google.com. I have never seen google redirect to > another domain that the one I typed. If typing "www.google.com" actually gets you "www.google.com", you're in a very small group in Canada. I get redirected to "www.google.ca" at home, at work, everywhere I've ever seen. Check and see if it's happening to you. If it isn't, it may be that your hosting provider has an American address? Going to a country-specific google such as "www.google.es" seems to work without redirections, but I think the .com address always redirects. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 18:10:39 2008 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:10:39 -0400 Subject: Google: Incorrect language settings In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804231106r7eb87c76ve809f505f70362c2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <#14.10034d30.fad2443f.480e5418.15c5@google.trakken.com> <480E5FCF.5000900@utoronto.ca> <20080423135154.GQ7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1f13df280804231106r7eb87c76ve809f505f70362c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7ac602420804231110r32e0923fnb68953488fbc743c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Giles Orr wrote: > If typing "www.google.com" actually gets you "www.google.com", you're > in a very small group in Canada. I get redirected to "www.google.ca" > at home, at work, everywhere I've ever seen. Check and see if it's > happening to you. If it isn't, it may be that your hosting provider > has an American address? Going to a country-specific google such as > "www.google.es" seems to work without redirections, but I think the > .com address always redirects. Perhaps Lennart has clicked on the "Go to Google.com" link at some time in the past. I just did the following: 1. type google.com into the URL bar 2. get redirected to google.ca 3. click 'Go to Google.com' 4. close tab 5. type google.com into the URL bar 6. get google.com, not google.ca I don't know if this behaviour will persist past a browser restart, but I did close the tab. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 23 18:11:58 2008 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Google: Incorrect language settings In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804231106r7eb87c76ve809f505f70362c2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <#14.10034d30.fad2443f.480e5418.15c5@google.trakken.com> <480E5FCF.5000900@utoronto.ca> <20080423135154.GQ7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1f13df280804231106r7eb87c76ve809f505f70362c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Giles Orr wrote: > On 4/23/08, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 05:59:43PM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: >>> Had an interesting problem crop up with Google recently, seems they're >>> not totally on the ball when it comes to non-US networks and their >>> language redirection. Specifically, I've seen Teksavvy IP addresses in >>> the 69.196.138.0/24 range constantly being sent to google.es with all >>> results in Spanish. >>> >>> Hoping it doesn't take up to the month they say it might. Anyone else >>> seen this? >> >> Well normally if I type google.ca then I get google.ca. If I type >> google.com I get google.com. I have never seen google redirect to >> another domain that the one I typed. > > If typing "www.google.com" actually gets you "www.google.com", you're > in a very small group in Canada. I get redirected to "www.google.ca" > at home, at work, everywhere I've ever seen. Same here. That's why I don't use Google's front page. I use a local page with a form to call google.com with a search term. That doesn't get redirected to google.ca; a bare "google.com" does. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-MKqfGmd6cJs0gtvRndBQZNBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 24 01:17:57 2008 From: lists-MKqfGmd6cJs0gtvRndBQZNBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Craig Routledge) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:17:57 -0400 Subject: Google: Incorrect language settings In-Reply-To: (from cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA@public.gmane.org on Wed Apr 23 14:11:58 2008) References: Message-ID: <1208999877l.6383l.0l@treehouse.localdomain> > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Giles Orr wrote: > > If typing "www.google.com" actually gets you "www.google.com", you're > > in a very small group in Canada. I get redirected to "www.google.ca" > > at home, at work, everywhere I've ever seen. On 2008-04-23 14:11, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > Same here. That's why I don't use Google's front page. I use a > local page with a form to call google.com with a search term. That > doesn't get redirected to google.ca; a bare "google.com" does. When Google first started doing this, I found that bookmarking www.google.com/intl/en/ avoided redirects to specific countries. It's worked for me ever since. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 24 01:32:08 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:32:08 -0400 Subject: Google: Incorrect language settings In-Reply-To: <1208999877l.6383l.0l-4C10i2PDOd5JzgjtAOYuQ7p2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1208999877l.6383l.0l@treehouse.localdomain> Message-ID: <480FE318.9080402@rogers.com> Craig Routledge wrote: >> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Giles Orr wrote: >> >>> If typing "www.google.com" actually gets you "www.google.com", you're >>> in a very small group in Canada. I get redirected to "www.google.ca" >>> at home, at work, everywhere I've ever seen. >>> > > On 2008-04-23 14:11, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > >> Same here. That's why I don't use Google's front page. I use a >> local page with a form to call google.com with a search term. That >> doesn't get redirected to google.ca; a bare "google.com" does. >> > > When Google first started doing this, I found that bookmarking > www.google.com/intl/en/ avoided redirects to specific countries. It's > worked for me ever since. > There is also a link on google.ca to google.com. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 24 02:43:20 2008 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:43:20 -0400 Subject: Large socket servers In-Reply-To: References: <480CAFD6.2070706@chrisaitken.net> <20080421195442.GF7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <480D35AA.807@chrisaitken.net> <480F35F2.4040206@chrisaitken.net> <480F3AE9.9020405@utoronto.ca> <480F3D3F.90801@rogers.com> Message-ID: Also written in java is jetty. jetty.codehaus.org Dave On 23-Apr-08, at 10:26 AM, Scott C. Ripley wrote: > > Apache MINA is a (java-based) NIO framework: > http://mina.apache.org/features.html > http://mina.apache.org/performance-test-reports.html > > > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Byron Sonne wrote: > >> Hey All, >> >> Been fiddling with some software called Electrotank (http://www.electrotank.com >> ) and I've come to hate it. It's written in Java, which is a mortal >> sin to begin with, but I'm also finding it's performance lacking. >> >> Has anyone played around with competing packages, preferably >> something written in a language more suited to this task, and >> capable (via clustering of some sort if necessary) of serving from >> 50,000 to 250,000 socket connections or more? >> >> If not, there might be a market opportunity for someone here... >> >> Cheers, >> Byron >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 24 03:09:38 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:09:38 -0400 Subject: soffice cli interface? In-Reply-To: <20080423154018.GA1513-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20080423143249.GA32000@watson-wilson.ca> <20080423152235.GS7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080423152909.GA1342@watson-wilson.ca> <20080423153303.GT7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080423154018.GA1513@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <480FF9F2.6010902@telly.org> This is the reason why I gave up TeX about five years ago, at least for short documents. The elegance of its approach is wasted on documents such as resumes and invoices, and the pain of clean document exchange with the outside world ended up being just not worth the bother. Remember that the whole purpose of this exercise is communications, which require that multiple conventions (language, written tone, character set, etc., even font selection) need to be agreed to by sender and recipient. What is convenient, elegant, efficient to only one side of the transaction is irrelevant unless these things are more important than the communications itself. The submission of a resume is not the time/place to be lecturing the reader on their choice of acceptable file formats. If you get the job the opportunity will present itself later. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 24 03:24:11 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:24:11 -0400 Subject: File formats for resumes (was Re:soffice cli interface?) In-Reply-To: References: <20080423143249.GA32000@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <480FFD5B.1010306@telly.org> Christopher Browne wrote: > That meshes nicely with the reason why I'd be loathe to allow them to > have anything *BUT* a .pdf document, namely the fact that I don't want > those sorts of folks to have any capability to modify my resume. > They don't want to modify it, they want to do keyword extraction. Such activity is thwarted by embedding the resume as a JPG (it's unlikely they use OCR) and thus such a tactic is pointless. And PDFs are usually disliked because they're often bloated -- including every used font is just one thing that makes PDFs generally much bigger than DOC or ODT files of the same document. In any case, the job of a recruiter -- and the only way they make money -- is matching people with suitable jobs. If I was using the service of such a recruiter and small modifications in my resume would make that task easier, why would I object? I have found that "good" resumes are in the eye of the beholder and sometimes need to be modified for the employer. If the headhunter is willing to do that work for me I'd hardly want to get in their way. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 24 13:46:25 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:46:25 -0400 Subject: Google: Incorrect language settings In-Reply-To: <1f13df280804231106r7eb87c76ve809f505f70362c2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <#14.10034d30.fad2443f.480e5418.15c5@google.trakken.com> <480E5FCF.5000900@utoronto.ca> <20080423135154.GQ7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1f13df280804231106r7eb87c76ve809f505f70362c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080424134625.GV7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 02:06:26PM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > If typing "www.google.com" actually gets you "www.google.com", you're > in a very small group in Canada. I get redirected to "www.google.ca" > at home, at work, everywhere I've ever seen. Check and see if it's > happening to you. If it isn't, it may be that your hosting provider > has an American address? Going to a country-specific google such as > "www.google.es" seems to work without redirections, but I think the > .com address always redirects. Hmm, it appears it does in fact do that now. I guess I have been typing google.ca for long enough now that I never really try plain google.com anymore. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 24 14:00:19 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:00:19 -0400 Subject: File formats for resumes (was Re:soffice cli interface?) In-Reply-To: <480FFD5B.1010306-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080423143249.GA32000@watson-wilson.ca> <480FFD5B.1010306@telly.org> Message-ID: <20080424140019.GW7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:24:11PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > They don't want to modify it, they want to do keyword extraction. Such > activity is thwarted by embedding the resume as a JPG (it's unlikely > they use OCR) and thus such a tactic is pointless. And PDFs are usually > disliked because they're often bloated -- including every used font is > just one thing that makes PDFs generally much bigger than DOC or ODT > files of the same document. The PDFs I manage to create (not using adobe tools of course) tend to be surprisingly small and compact. I can't say the same for a word document for a single page (how can it take 100KB to store a page of text?) > In any case, the job of a recruiter -- and the only way they make money > -- is matching people with suitable jobs. If I was using the service of > such a recruiter and small modifications in my resume would make that > task easier, why would I object? I have found that "good" resumes are > in the eye of the beholder and sometimes need to be modified for the > employer. If the headhunter is willing to do that work for me I'd hardly > want to get in their way. Changes to a resume by someone that doesn't understand the field can potentially make it say something untrue. Do you want to explain that to someone that wants to hire you? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 24 14:00:30 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:00:30 -0400 Subject: File formats for resumes (was Re:soffice cli interface?) In-Reply-To: <480FFD5B.1010306-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080423143249.GA32000@watson-wilson.ca> <480FFD5B.1010306@telly.org> Message-ID: <3a97ef0804240700p3bc8f14cl7e1a7602a7dd4f5a@mail.gmail.com> I've never really liked .DOC for resumes because of the ways it could vary due to different printer/version/etc configurations between machines. I've had plenty of times when I've moved from one machine to another and had my page-formatted totally munged. This is sometimes worse now that I tend to use OpenOffice (though, amusingly, sometimes better than moving between old/new word versions). If possible, I include a .doc and a .pdf, and/or a note stating that the resume is available in alternate formats as desired. On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Christopher Browne wrote: > > That meshes nicely with the reason why I'd be loathe to allow them to > > have anything *BUT* a .pdf document, namely the fact that I don't want > > those sorts of folks to have any capability to modify my resume. > > > They don't want to modify it, they want to do keyword extraction. Such > activity is thwarted by embedding the resume as a JPG (it's unlikely > they use OCR) and thus such a tactic is pointless. And PDFs are usually > disliked because they're often bloated -- including every used font is > just one thing that makes PDFs generally much bigger than DOC or ODT > files of the same document. > > In any case, the job of a recruiter -- and the only way they make money > -- is matching people with suitable jobs. If I was using the service of > such a recruiter and small modifications in my resume would make that > task easier, why would I object? I have found that "good" resumes are > in the eye of the beholder and sometimes need to be modified for the > employer. If the headhunter is willing to do that work for me I'd hardly > want to get in their way. > > - Evan > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 24 14:02:49 2008 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:02:49 -0400 Subject: File formats for resumes (was Re:soffice cli interface?) In-Reply-To: <480FFD5B.1010306-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080423143249.GA32000@watson-wilson.ca> <480FFD5B.1010306@telly.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Christopher Browne wrote: > > That meshes nicely with the reason why I'd be loathe to allow them to > > have anything *BUT* a .pdf document, namely the fact that I don't want > > those sorts of folks to have any capability to modify my resume. > > > They don't want to modify it, they want to do keyword extraction. Such > activity is thwarted by embedding the resume as a JPG (it's unlikely > they use OCR) and thus such a tactic is pointless. And PDFs are usually > disliked because they're often bloated -- including every used font is > just one thing that makes PDFs generally much bigger than DOC or ODT > files of the same document. Disagree .. my latest resume in PDF format is 75K. I don't consider that bloated, and a PDF is terrific because it's (mostly) platform-agnostic and it views and prints well. > In any case, the job of a recruiter -- and the only way they make money > -- is matching people with suitable jobs. If I was using the service of > such a recruiter and small modifications in my resume would make that > task easier, why would I object? I have found that "good" resumes are > in the eye of the beholder and sometimes need to be modified for the > employer. If the headhunter is willing to do that work for me I'd hardly > want to get in their way. Oh, of course the story changes if instead of applying for a job, you are working with a recruiter or an outplacement specialist. Then I'd probably provide multiple formats and pick one that everyone can live with (if possible). -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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If you have received this communication in error, be aware that forwarding it, copying it, or in any way disclosing its content to any other person, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 24 19:24:17 2008 From: jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: File formats for resumes (was Re: [TLUG]: soffice cli interface?) In-Reply-To: <480FFD5B.1010306-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <20080423143249.GA32000@watson-wilson.ca> <480FFD5B.1010306@telly.org> Message-ID: <53057.192.30.202.28.1209065057.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> > Christopher Browne wrote: >> That meshes nicely with the reason why I'd be loathe to allow them to >> have anything *BUT* a .pdf document, namely the fact that I don't want >> those sorts of folks to have any capability to modify my resume. >> > They don't want to modify it, they want to do keyword extraction. Such > activity is thwarted by embedding the resume as a JPG (it's unlikely > they use OCR) and thus such a tactic is pointless. And PDFs are usually > disliked because they're often bloated -- including every used font is > just one thing that makes PDFs generally much bigger than DOC or ODT > files of the same document. > > In any case, the job of a recruiter -- and the only way they make money > -- is matching people with suitable jobs. If I was using the service of > such a recruiter and small modifications in my resume would make that > task easier, why would I object? I have found that "good" resumes are > in the eye of the beholder and sometimes need to be modified for the > employer. If the headhunter is willing to do that work for me I'd hardly > want to get in their way. > > - Evan Hutchinson-Smiley, on Yonge Street north of Davenport Road, across from Canadian Tire, wants extremely long resumes. Their best people have 15-page resumes. Then, for each and every client's contract, they tailor a shorter resume, by extracting only parts relevant to that particular contract. If they cannot do this, they would reject your resume. J. E. McIntosh -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 24 22:08:37 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:08:37 -0400 Subject: File formats for resumes (was Re:soffice cli interface?) In-Reply-To: References: <20080423143249.GA32000@watson-wilson.ca> <480FFD5B.1010306@telly.org> Message-ID: <481104E5.8070703@rogers.com> Alex Beamish wrote: > Oh, of course the story changes if instead of applying for a job, you > are working with a recruiter or an outplacement specialist. Then I'd > probably provide multiple formats and pick one that everyone can live > with (if possible). > > Many recruiters want to load the file into a database, so PDF is out and they tend to want Word, RTF or plain text. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 24 22:32:49 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:32:49 -0400 Subject: converting between documents file formats Message-ID: I changed the subject, because I have a question on a close but different subject. On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 6:08 PM, James Knott wrote: > Many recruiters want to load the file into a database, so PDF is out and > they tend to want Word, RTF or plain text. As someone noticed, information from pdf files can be extracted too, and even altered. The best example is that Google indexes pdf files. The point is what kind of software they have there.And even images could be scanned automatically by OCR, though I agree that most would rather not have software for that since it is not a popular way of submitting resume as an image file. I have recentely worked on creating "reports" based on database content. Some may know such terms like iReport or JasperReport. My aim is to create a rool that would have some flexibility similar to jasperreports. But I do not want to use jasperreports because it lacks flexibility there where I need it. And it is too complex to learn it, And I prefer to stay with php rather than using Java. Things would run from web server, as a sort of additional offering to what we have already as a service. I was quite successful by using LaTeX to produce nice PDF files (through php, i.e. I use PHP to create LaTeX file and than process it in shell to generate PDF). An ideal solution would be if the same LaTeX file could be used for creating let say RTF, ODT, XML, and perhaps some other formats. But I got lost. This subject seems to be messy. Are there around free quality scripts for doing this? Does soemeone has experience of that kind? I see myself that there are many tools around but either they are not developed anymore, or they produce crappy results, or are hard to install, etc. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 25 00:30:23 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: converting between documents file formats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28341.72.141.151.216.1209083423.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> in shell to generate PDF). An ideal solution would be if the same > LaTeX file could be used for creating let say RTF, ODT, XML, and > perhaps some other formats. But I got lost. This subject seems to be > messy. Are there around free quality scripts for doing this? Does > soemeone has experience of that kind? I see myself that there are many > tools around but either they are not developed anymore, or they > produce crappy results, or are hard to install, etc. latex2html is widely used to convert a latex format document for display on a web page. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 25 02:36:47 2008 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: converting between documents file formats In-Reply-To: <28341.72.141.151.216.1209083423.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <28341.72.141.151.216.1209083423.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > in shell to generate PDF). An ideal solution would be if the same >> LaTeX file could be used for creating let say RTF, ODT, XML, and >> perhaps some other formats. But I got lost. This subject seems to be >> messy. Are there around free quality scripts for doing this? Does >> soemeone has experience of that kind? I see myself that there are many >> tools around but either they are not developed anymore, or they >> produce crappy results, or are hard to install, etc. > > latex2html is widely used to convert a latex format document for display > on a web page. > some latex to/from word processor options are discussed here: http://www.tug.org/utilities/texconv/pctotex.html > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > http://www.syscompdesign.com > USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > 647-839-0325 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 25 05:34:11 2008 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:34:11 -0400 Subject: Funny: Dell Windows machines cost less than Ubuntu machine In-Reply-To: <178988.10388.qm-j7iHDx50kh/5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <200804121506.m3CF6Zbq029604@mail96c0.megamailservers.com> <178988.10388.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080425053411.GB27653@waltdnes.org> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:59:32PM -0400, E K wrote > for almost identical hardware Inspiron 530s with Windows Vista costs > less than Inspiron 530s with Ubuntu. The sales man tells me that the > Vista machines are on promotion. > > Knowing that machines are built after order is placed, I don't > understand why Dell has Windows on promotion instead of the machine > itself (the hardware). It's because Dell gets paid by various outfits to install all sorts of crapware (trial offers and toolbars) on Windows PCs. It's actually a profit centre for Dell, in that they probably get paid more in total by Google, Symantec, Roxio, etal than the cost of a Vista Windows OEM licence. See http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513-6078219.html At one point, Sony was charging an extra $50 for crapware-free PC purchase. The reaction has been free utilities like PC-Decrapifier at http://pcdecrapifier.com/ When I got a Dell with Vista, I got de-crapifier software from http://www.gentoo.org and now the system runs fine. -- Walter Dnes Stop the Squeegee Kids in Pinstripe Suits Fight SAC's Canadian internet tax http://walterdnes.wordpress.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 25 11:50:27 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:50:27 -0400 Subject: File formats for resumes (was Re:soffice cli interface?) In-Reply-To: <20080424140019.GW7386-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080423143249.GA32000@watson-wilson.ca> <480FFD5B.1010306@telly.org> <20080424140019.GW7386@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1f13df280804250450g6c285c9cx667f35b46dd8af1b@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > The PDFs I manage to create (not using adobe tools of course) tend to be > surprisingly small and compact. I can't say the same for a word > document for a single page (how can it take 100KB to store a page of > text?) I believe they're that small because Linux tools DON'T include the fonts that Adobe's own tools do. I've created documents under Linux and thought "hey, that Nimbus font looks nice!" only to find that the resulting PDF looked like utter crap under Windows because the Nimbus font wasn't packed with the PDF _and_ didn't exist on the target machine. My resume now consists of Arial and Times New Roman and not much else for this very reason. I usually send RTF to people who request Word with a polite explanation that it will open in Word, but if they have any problem I'll arrange to send them the real thing. I did have that once, which sent me scrambling to a friend's machine to borrow Word long enough to do a "Save As." -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 25 13:53:10 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:53:10 -0400 Subject: SPAMMERS DIE; Follow-up In-Reply-To: <480CD947.10604-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <480CD947.10604@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4811E246.9090303@alteeve.com> Postgrey for Postfix is just awesome. Mail spam has all but gone away (maybe 10% of what it was?) with just this little trick alone. Awesome! A happy Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 25 15:50:17 2008 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:50:17 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <20080410102650.GA9434@localhost> References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080410102650.GA9434@localhost> Message-ID: <4811FDB9.8070004@ve3syb.ca> Scott Allen wrote: > On Wed Apr 09,2008 07:37:38 PM Daniel Gardiner wrote: > Here's a couple of articles from a site affected by the issue, including > responses from Rogers. > > > Mr. Hartling said the ?only? way Rogers could notify its customers they were approaching their bandwidth limit was to intercept and alter other content providers webpages. When asked why Rogers could not use email or postal mail to notify their high speed internet customers, Digital Home was told that not all Rogers High speed internet users had email and that mail was too slow. Umm... "not all Rogers High speed internet users had email"?? What about the up to 10(?) e-mail accounts you get when you sign up for Rogers hi-speed which can be accessed by an e-mail program or web browser? I would wonder about these people getting hi-speed internet access that don't use either an e-mail program or web browser. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 25 16:02:38 2008 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser Message-ID: <158127.39734.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > > Mr. Hartling said the ?only? way Rogers could notify its customers they were > approaching their bandwidth limit was to intercept and alter other content > providers webpages. When asked why Rogers could not use email or postal mail > to notify their high speed internet customers, Digital Home was told that not > all Rogers High speed internet users had email and that mail was too slow. > > Umm... "not all Rogers High speed internet users had email"?? > What about the up to 10(?) e-mail accounts you get when you sign up for Rogers > hi-speed which can be accessed by an e-mail program or web browser? I would > wonder about these people getting hi-speed internet access that don't use > either an e-mail program or web browser. To be fair, many people that have Rogers High Speed Internet use it purely as an ISP and do not use their e-mail services. Especially useful for those folks who don't want to tie themselves to an ISP for e-mail delivery but don't wish to set up their own domain names, etc. So those users may have e-mail, just not Rogers e-mail. -M -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Alexander.Short-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 25 16:10:20 2008 From: Alexander.Short-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Alexander Short) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:10:20 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <158127.39734.qm-1NIlFuzKg1GB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <158127.39734.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I fall into this boat with Cogeco. If I have a @cogeco address, I don't remember ever setting it up and wouldn't have a clue where to go to access it or login credentials. It would be just another email box to monitor as I haven't used an ISPs email services (other then to use their SMTP server to bounce out) in years. When you move around and you change ISPs and have to send mass emails to everyone and their brother to advise of your new address, its just a pain. Much rather keep using the one I've had for the last 10+ -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Godycki Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 12:03 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser > > Mr. Hartling said the "only" way Rogers could notify its customers they were > approaching their bandwidth limit was to intercept and alter other content > providers webpages. When asked why Rogers could not use email or postal mail > to notify their high speed internet customers, Digital Home was told that not > all Rogers High speed internet users had email and that mail was too slow. > > Umm... "not all Rogers High speed internet users had email"?? > What about the up to 10(?) e-mail accounts you get when you sign up for Rogers > hi-speed which can be accessed by an e-mail program or web browser? I would > wonder about these people getting hi-speed internet access that don't use > either an e-mail program or web browser. To be fair, many people that have Rogers High Speed Internet use it purely as an ISP and do not use their e-mail services. Especially useful for those folks who don't want to tie themselves to an ISP for e-mail delivery but don't wish to set up their own domain names, etc. So those users may have e-mail, just not Rogers e-mail. -M -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 25 16:41:39 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:41:39 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: References: <158127.39734.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880804250941k25fa5b86h1ee05943d7ddefff@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys, I fall into the same situation, my providers do use my "provider" email address for news bulletins however I never use that email. I guess an easy fix is to forward all your mail from your providers to your "real" email address so you get all bulletins. On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Alexander Short wrote: > I fall into this boat with Cogeco. If I have a @cogeco address, I don't > remember ever setting it up and wouldn't have a clue where to go to > access it or login credentials. It would be just another email box to > monitor as I haven't used an ISPs email services (other then to use > their SMTP server to bounce out) in years. When you move around and you > change ISPs and have to send mass emails to everyone and their brother > to advise of your new address, its just a pain. Much rather keep using > the one I've had for the last 10+ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Matthew > Godycki > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 12:03 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser > > > > > Mr. Hartling said the "only" way Rogers could notify its customers > they were > > approaching their bandwidth limit was to intercept and alter other > content > > providers webpages. When asked why Rogers could not use email or > postal mail > > to notify their high speed internet customers, Digital Home was told > that not > > all Rogers High speed internet users had email and that mail was too > slow. > > > > > Umm... "not all Rogers High speed internet users had email"?? > > > What about the up to 10(?) e-mail accounts you get when you sign up > for Rogers > > hi-speed which can be accessed by an e-mail program or web browser? I > would > > wonder about these people getting hi-speed internet access that don't > use > > either an e-mail program or web browser. > > To be fair, many people that have Rogers High Speed Internet use it > purely as > an ISP and do not use their e-mail services. Especially useful for > those folks > who don't want to tie themselves to an ISP for e-mail delivery but don't > wish to > set up their own domain names, etc. > > So those users may have e-mail, just not Rogers e-mail. > > -M > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The man who is always a newbie at something, Dave Germiquet Everytime I learn something new, I realize I know very little. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 25 16:42:22 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:42:22 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <4811FDB9.8070004-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080410102650.GA9434@localhost> <4811FDB9.8070004@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20080425164222.GA6956@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:50:17AM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: > > Mr. Hartling said the ?only? way Rogers could notify its customers they were > approaching their bandwidth limit was to intercept and alter other content > providers webpages. When asked why Rogers could not use email or postal mail > to notify their high speed internet customers, Digital Home was told that > not > all Rogers High speed internet users had email and that mail was too slow. > > > Umm... "not all Rogers High speed internet users had email"?? > > What about the up to 10(?) e-mail accounts you get when you sign up for > Rogers hi-speed which can be accessed by an e-mail program or web browser? > I would wonder about these people getting hi-speed internet access that > don't use either an e-mail program or web browser. I certainly never check any rogers email account, so they have a very valid point. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 25 18:19:03 2008 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:19:03 -0400 Subject: [OT]: Hey! Message-ID: <99a6c38f0804251119j6b5892aem1c8538625169d5dd@mail.gmail.com> Hey all! Sorry for the OT post, but I'm finally online again (albiet with dialup) and just wanted to say hi. I've got another 3000 emails to parse (lol), but has anything interesting happened in the last couple of months thats really worth checking out? :-) -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 25 18:35:03 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:35:03 -0400 Subject: [OT]: Hey! In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0804251119j6b5892aem1c8538625169d5dd-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0804251119j6b5892aem1c8538625169d5dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48122457.5000805@alteeve.com> Scott Elcomb wrote: > Hey all! > > Sorry for the OT post, but I'm finally online again (albiet with > dialup) and just wanted to say hi. > > I've got another 3000 emails to parse (lol), but has anything > interesting happened in the last couple of months thats really worth > checking out? :-) > Hey hey! Was wondering where you disappeared off to. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 25 20:09:24 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <158127.39734.qm-1NIlFuzKg1GB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <158127.39734.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: | From: Matthew Godycki | To be fair, many people that have Rogers High Speed Internet use it purely as | an ISP and do not use their e-mail services. I run fetchmail every few months to see what crud is in my Rogers account. Most or all is ads from Rogers. So if they want to talk to me, they seem to think that they could use email. Consistent? Rogers? I don't think that they allow forwarding from that account to somewhere else. Pity. I'm still not using "Rogers Yahoo" mail (or whatever the new thing is), even though they pushed customers to move over. My feeling is that if Rogers wants me to do something there is probably a reason that I shouldn't. I'm not clear on whether I can send outbound mail through their SMTP server with my domain as the From address. When they started blocking outbound TCP to port 25 they had a FAQ that dissed that as "vanity domain" -- first I'd heard of the term but not the last. When I want to send email through my Rogers connection (only in emergencies) I use an IPsec tunnel to a friendly relay in another continent. Another thing to break. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 26 03:32:22 2008 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:32:22 -0400 Subject: converting between documents file formats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080425233222.453e5e0b.hgibson@eol.ca> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:32:49 -0400 "Zbigniew Koziol" wrote: > I changed the subject, because I have a question on a close but > different subject. > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 6:08 PM, James Knott wrote: > > Many recruiters want to load the file into a database, so PDF is out and > > they tend to want Word, RTF or plain text. Zbigniew, You can find and download latex2rtf. That creates a reasonable looking file that can be loaded into Word. The programs executes almost instantly, and the first time I ran it, I assumed it had not worked. It captures the format, but none of the intelligence of the LaTeX file. If you want PDF, use pdflatex. If you use hyperref, you get a navigateable table of contents. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 26 11:37:57 2008 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:37:57 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <20080425164222.GA6956-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>; from lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org on Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:42:22 -0400 References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080410102650.GA9434@localhost> <4811FDB9.8070004@ve3syb.ca> <20080425164222.GA6956@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080426113757.GA1937@localhost> On Fri Apr 25,2008 12:42:22 PM Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:50:17AM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: >> >> Mr. Hartling said the ?only? way Rogers could notify its >> customers they were approaching their bandwidth limit was >> to intercept and alter other content providers webpages. >> When asked why Rogers could not use email or postal mail >> to notify their high speed internet customers, Digital Home >> was told that not all Rogers High speed internet users had >> email and that mail was too slow. >> >> >> Umm... "not all Rogers High speed internet users had email"?? >> >> What about the up to 10(?) e-mail accounts you get when you >> sign up for. Rogers hi-speed which can be accessed by an >> e-mail program or web browser? I would wonder about these >> people getting hi-speed internet access that don't use >> either an e-mail program or web browser. > > I certainly never check any rogers email account, so they have > a very valid point. Who said anything about using a *Rogers* e-mail account? Rogers could easily set up a way to allow you to register *any* e-mail address as the one you want to be informed via. They could send snail-mail and/or hijack your web pages *once* to instruct you on how to choose the way you want to be informed of aproaching bandwidth limits (and other things, for that matter): 1. Continue to alter my web pages. 2. Send e-mail to an account that I specify (not necessarily a Rogers account). 3. (Maybe) Send a canned voice message to a phone number that I specify, like libraries do for overdue books. 4. (Maybe, at least for some O/S's) Provide a custom daemon application, that I install, which talks on a separate IP port. This would attach to a server and pop up messages or otherwise provide the information. 5. (Maybe) One or more other methods that I haven't thought of. 6. Any combination of the above. 7. Don't inform me at all. I'll monitor things myself and suffer the consequences of not receiving the information. The default could be number 1, so for anyone not choosing differently it would be as it is now. My point is that, contrary to what Mr. Hartling has allegedly stated, altering web pages is certainly not the only way that Rogers could inform its customers they are approaching their bandwidth limit! -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 26 11:50:43 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:50:43 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: References: <158127.39734.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48131713.1050002@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Matthew Godycki > > | To be fair, many people that have Rogers High Speed Internet use it purely as > | an ISP and do not use their e-mail services. > > I run fetchmail every few months to see what crud is in my Rogers > account. Most or all is ads from Rogers. So if they want to talk to me, > they seem to think that they could use email. Consistent? Rogers? > > I don't think that they allow forwarding from that account to > somewhere else. Pity. > Actually, they do. > I'm still not using "Rogers Yahoo" mail (or whatever the new thing > is), even though they pushed customers to move over. My feeling is > that if Rogers wants me to do something there is probably a reason > that I shouldn't. > > I'm not clear on whether I can send outbound mail through their SMTP > server with my domain as the From address. When they started blocking > outbound TCP to port 25 they had a FAQ that dissed that as "vanity > domain" -- first I'd heard of the term but not the last. > They do allow off network outbound email, using port 587. I don't know if that will help you. > When I want to send email through my Rogers connection (only in > emergencies) I use an IPsec tunnel to a friendly relay in another > continent. Another thing to break. > I use OpenVPN to remotely access an IMAP server on my home network. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 26 11:57:35 2008 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:57:35 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <20080426113757.GA1937@localhost>; from scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org on Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 07:37:57 -0400 References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080410102650.GA9434@localhost> <4811FDB9.8070004@ve3syb.ca> <20080425164222.GA6956@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20080426113757.GA1937@localhost> Message-ID: <20080426115735.GC1937@localhost> On Sat Apr 26,2008 07:37:57 AM I wrote: > They could send snail-mail and/or hijack your web pages *once* to > instruct you on how to choose the way you want to be informed of > aproaching bandwidth limits (and other things, for that matter): Here's a few more that I thought of: - Send a text message to my cell phone. - Send me an instant message to my MS, Yahoo, Skype or other chat program. -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 26 20:27:00 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:27:00 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <4811FDB9.8070004-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <544530.74133.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080410102650.GA9434@localhost> <4811FDB9.8070004@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <48139014.1030800@rogers.com> Kevin Cozens wrote: > Scott Allen wrote: >> On Wed Apr 09,2008 07:37:38 PM Daniel Gardiner wrote: >> Here's a couple of articles from a site affected by the issue, >> including responses from Rogers. >> >> >> > > > Mr. Hartling said the ?only? way Rogers could notify its customers > they were > approaching their bandwidth limit was to intercept and alter other > content > providers webpages. When asked why Rogers could not use email or > postal mail > to notify their high speed internet customers, Digital Home was told > that not > all Rogers High speed internet users had email and that mail was too > slow. > > > Umm... "not all Rogers High speed internet users had email"?? > > What about the up to 10(?) e-mail accounts you get when you sign up > for Rogers hi-speed which can be accessed by an e-mail program or web > browser? I would wonder about these people getting hi-speed internet > access that don't use either an e-mail program or web browser. > There are many who get their email from elsewhere and don't use Rogers (Yahoo) email. If Microsoft buys Yahoo, I'd certainly consider doing that. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 26 21:03:27 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:03:27 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: References: <158127.39734.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4813989F.4010000@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I'm not clear on whether I can send outbound mail through their SMTP > server with my domain as the From address. When they started blocking > outbound TCP to port 25 they had a FAQ that dissed that as "vanity > domain" -- first I'd heard of the term but not the last. > > You can always set the reply address to whatever you want. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 26 22:06:04 2008 From: gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (George Nicol) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:06:04 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <4813989F.4010000-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <158127.39734.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4813989F.4010000@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4813A74C.1070308@primus.ca> > D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I'm not clear on whether I can send outbound mail through > their SMTP server with my domain as the From address. > James Knott replied: > You can always set the reply address to whatever you want. James is correct about the reply-to address and that will continue to be true beyond next week, I think. But that's not what Hugh is unclear about. Rogers is going to make some changes next week that will affect Hugh. From Rogers Support: IMPORTANT: To ensure continued delivery of your email messages, you must update your email settings. Dear Customer, This is an important reminder about upcoming security enhancements that will require you to make some adjustments to your email settings in your profile. According to our records, you use an alternate email addresses in the "From" line of your messages. This could be a non-Rogers email address associated with your business. As a result of security enhancements happening the week of April 28th, you will need to make a change to your email settings so you can continue to send messages from this alternate email address. PLEASE NOTE: If you do not make this change, your mail will not be delivered and you will see an Error 553 message when you attempt to send mail. This change should take under 5 minutes to complete. You simply need to: Sign-in to your Rogers Yahoo! Mail (Webmail) account. Add the e-mail address(es) that you typically use in the "From" field of your e-mail messages to your "Mail Accounts". Please visit http://www.rogershelp.com/verify-email for step-by-step instructions on how to make this quick change. HTH . -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 26 22:49:42 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:49:42 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <4813A74C.1070308-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <158127.39734.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4813989F.4010000@rogers.com> <4813A74C.1070308@primus.ca> Message-ID: <4813B186.10606@rogers.com> George Nicol wrote: >> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> I'm not clear on whether I can send outbound mail through >> their SMTP server with my domain as the From address. > >> James Knott replied: You can always set the reply address to whatever >> you want. > > James is correct about the reply-to address and that will > continue to be true beyond next week, I think. > > But that's not what Hugh is unclear about. Rogers is going > to make some changes next week that will affect Hugh. > > From Rogers Support: > > > IMPORTANT: To ensure continued delivery of your email messages, > you must update your email settings. > > Dear Customer, > > This is an important reminder about upcoming security enhancements > that will require you to make some adjustments to your email settings > in your profile. > > According to our records, you use an alternate email addresses in the > "From" line of your messages. This could be a non-Rogers email address > associated with your business. > > As a result of security enhancements happening the week of April 28th, > you will need to make a change to your email settings so you can > continue to send messages from this alternate email address. > > PLEASE NOTE: If you do not make this change, your mail will not be > delivered and you will see an Error 553 message when you attempt > to send mail. > > This change should take under 5 minutes to complete. > You simply need to: > Sign-in to your Rogers Yahoo! Mail (Webmail) account. > Add the e-mail address(es) that you typically use in > the "From" field of your e-mail messages to your > "Mail Accounts". I just tried that and it works OK. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 26 23:06:41 2008 From: gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (George Nicol) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:06:41 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <4813B186.10606-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <158127.39734.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4813989F.4010000@rogers.com> <4813A74C.1070308@primus.ca> <4813B186.10606@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4813B581.6090302@primus.ca> James Knott wrote: > I just tried that and it works OK. Tried what? A non-Rogers From: address? It works this week. But absolutely will NOT work NEXT week. . -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 26 23:44:27 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:44:27 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <4813B581.6090302-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <158127.39734.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4813989F.4010000@rogers.com> <4813A74C.1070308@primus.ca> <4813B186.10606@rogers.com> <4813B581.6090302@primus.ca> Message-ID: <4813BE5B.503@rogers.com> George Nicol wrote: > James Knott wrote: > >> I just tried that and it works OK. > > Tried what? A non-Rogers From: address? It works this week. > But absolutely will NOT work NEXT week. > I used a non-Rogers from address and got the rejection notice. I then followed the directions listed to add that from address and was able to send using that from address. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 26 23:57:02 2008 From: gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (George Nicol) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:57:02 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <4813BE5B.503-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <158127.39734.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4813989F.4010000@rogers.com> <4813A74C.1070308@primus.ca> <4813B186.10606@rogers.com> <4813B581.6090302@primus.ca> <4813BE5B.503@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4813C14E.4080004@primus.ca> James Knott wrote: > I used a non-Rogers from address and got the rejection notice. I then > followed the directions listed to add that from address and was able > to send using that from address. Good. Hugh won't have any trouble doing the same thing. It's a fairly straightforward "verify the non-Rogers From: address" process. This part of the thread is off-topic but happens to be quite timely. Cheers . -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 27 00:14:38 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:14:38 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <4813C14E.4080004-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <158127.39734.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4813989F.4010000@rogers.com> <4813A74C.1070308@primus.ca> <4813B186.10606@rogers.com> <4813B581.6090302@primus.ca> <4813BE5B.503@rogers.com> <4813C14E.4080004@primus.ca> Message-ID: <4813C56E.9090106@rogers.com> George Nicol wrote: > James Knott wrote: > >> I used a non-Rogers from address and got the rejection notice. I then >> followed the directions listed to add that from address and was able >> to send using that from address. > > Good. Hugh won't have any trouble doing the same thing. It's a fairly > straightforward "verify the non-Rogers From: address" process. > > This part of the thread is off-topic but happens to be quite timely. > He can even use a browser to send from any of his accounts via Yahoo. All the added accounts are available from a drop down list. Over all, this appears to be a positive thing. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 27 05:19:50 2008 From: tlug-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slackrat) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:19:50 +0200 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser In-Reply-To: <4813989F.4010000-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> (James Knott's message of "Sat\, 26 Apr 2008 17\:03\:27 -0400") References: <158127.39734.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4813989F.4010000@rogers.com> Message-ID: <877iejx4ax.fsf@azurservers.com> James Knott a ?crit profondement: | D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > I'm not clear on whether I can send outbound mail through their SMTP | > server with my domain as the From address. When they started blocking | > outbound TCP to port 25 they had a FAQ that dissed that as "vanity | > domain" -- first I'd heard of the term but not the last. | > | > | | You can always set the reply address to whatever you want. | The problem with that George, is that people will not always honour a "ReplyTo" address -- SlackRat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4 at gmail.com Sun Apr 27 19:21:56 2008 From: psema4 at gmail.com (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:21:56 -0400 Subject: Call For Open Source Awards 2008 Nominations Message-ID: <99a6c38f0804271221h139a814cs56e6d874c26cf4b5@mail.gmail.com> "For the 4th year running, Google and O'Reilly will present a set of Open Source Awards at OSCON 2008. The awards recognize individual contributors who have demonstrated exceptional leadership, creativity, and collaboration in the development of Open Source Software. Past recipients for 2005-2007 include Doc Searls, Jeff Waugh, Gerv Markham, Julian Seward, David Heinemeier Hansson, Karl Fogel, David Recordon, and Paul Vixie. The nomination process is open to the entire open source community, closing May 15th, 2008. Send your nominations to osawards AT oreilly DOT com. Nominations should include the name of the recipient, any associated project/org, suggested title for the award ("Best Hacker", "Best Community Builder", etc.), and a description of why you are nominating the individual. Google and O'Reilly employees cannot be nominated." http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/04/open-source-award-nominations.html There's some mention in the comments section about OSI and Sourceforge awards as well. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 27 23:39:01 2008 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:39:01 -0400 Subject: [OT]: Any tutorial suggestions for a talk? Message-ID: <99a6c38f0804271639xfb81f9fkc041177bf85676be@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, While I've been offline for a while, I haven't been entirely inactive. :-) Version 1.1 of Atomic OS[1] is well underway and focuses primarily on making the project into a formal javascript library - libatomos (which can finally be included into any web page with a simple script tag) - and somewhat more browser agnostic[2]. Anyway, I've a bunch on the go with the project including a basic RAD tool prototype. The tools' relevant here because I'm looking at submitting a talk proposal for an upcoming mini-conference at HLUG; I'd liketo include a short 20-25 minute tutorial on using the RAD tool and Atomic OS to build a web app. (The RAD tool will be FOSS, but I don't expect it'll be bundled with Atomic OS... More on that in the future.) The problem is that, for the life of me, I can't think of a small webapp to use for the tutorial portion. Last time I spoke at TLUG I used a calculator as a basic conceptual example, but it's just not very exciting. Next time I speak I'd like to have something worthwhile and concrete to walk people through (not to mention including on CD's and in some presentation handouts). Because time is limited, there will be no server-side component to the application. Data persistence is availble for applications loaded via a file:// URL though because Atomic OS creates a VFS within the HTML document. So, with all that said, can anyone suggest a small (and hopefully useful) web application concept I might be able to run with? TIA! - Scott [1] If you're not familiar with Atomic OS, it's purpose is to provide HTML documents with a javascript library/environment resembling a modern OS - loosely modelled after Linux. [2] Estimated browser compatability: - Firefox 2: 100% - IE 5/6: 90% (Don't use any flags with 'ls'!) - Opera 9: 60% (Opera rewrites functions in a funny way) - Opera Mini: 40% (Has the above issue and CSS positioning is completely b0rken.) -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 28 02:29:23 2008 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:29:23 -0400 Subject: [OT]: Hey! In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0804251119j6b5892aem1c8538625169d5dd-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0804251119j6b5892aem1c8538625169d5dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Scott, Good to hear from you again! Not a heck of a lot new has happened. Mostly recycled stuff, in keeping with the times .. people are still slagging the latest version of Windows (now there are even some E-Mails from within Microsoft), there are new versions of Ubuntu (last week) and Fedora (next month), SCO is still trying to defend itself from Novell and IBM .. and we still wish spammers would .. get lost. Welcome back! Alex On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Scott Elcomb wrote: > Hey all! > > Sorry for the OT post, but I'm finally online again (albiet with > dialup) and just wanted to say hi. > > I've got another 3000 emails to parse (lol), but has anything > interesting happened in the last couple of months thats really worth > checking out? :-) > > -- > Scott Elcomb > http://www.psema4.com/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 28 22:02:03 2008 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:02:03 -0400 Subject: nscd doing IPV6 requests on an IPV4-only system ??? Message-ID: <20080428220203.GA11217@waltdnes.org> The preliminaries... - I start off my USE variable in /etc/make.conf with "-*" (a Gentoo setting for real control freaks) - I have *NOT* enabled IPV6 anywhere - This is North America folks; my ISP's owners know what IPV6 is and are working on getting it operational, but it's not running yet. - I'm not a pro or anti IPV6 zealot. When I need it, I'll enable it. For now, I don't need it. Anyhow, I have nscd enabled, and I'm seeing stuff in my logs like... Apr 25 18:34:48 m3000 nscd: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for "mail.teksavvy.com IN AAAA", got type "A" A search of "man nscd" and "man nscd.conf" and Google does not find anything about restricting nscd to IPV4. Is this a minor resource issue? What happens if nscd *DOES* find an AAAA record, and my system doesn't know what to do with it? -- Walter Dnes Stop the Squeegee Kids in Pinstripe Suits Fight SAC's Canadian internet tax http://walterdnes.wordpress.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jad-V3Qe//ktpHnR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 28 22:32:23 2008 From: jad-V3Qe//ktpHnR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (Jose A. Dias) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:32:23 -0400 Subject: Rogers bandwidth warnings appearing in web browser Message-ID: <08795C772787354E914917175F5503307372CA@skarloey.diaslan.net> > From: D. Hugh Redelmeier > | From: Matthew Godycki > > | To be fair, many people that have Rogers High Speed Internet use it > purely as > | an ISP and do not use their e-mail services. > > I run fetchmail every few months to see what crud is in my Rogers > account. Most or all is ads from Rogers. So if they want to talk to me, > they seem to think that they could use email. Consistent? Rogers? Business decisions. They usually have nothing to do with real "requirements lists" so yes, they don't make sense to us. > I don't think that they allow forwarding from that account to > somewhere else. Pity. Oh yes they do. My address and my wife's address are forwarded to my domain. This has been available for months now... > I'm still not using "Rogers Yahoo" mail (or whatever the new thing > is), even though they pushed customers to move over. My feeling is > that if Rogers wants me to do something there is probably a reason > that I shouldn't. I only use that address to hear from them, and yes, it's mostly adds. But at least that confirms to me that it's still working. I've had far too many examples of e-mail just "stopping" because of changes done on Roger's network that they don't pre-announce. I never hear "we are going to do..." I only get the "we've done ..." and then I have to "fix" it again. > > I'm not clear on whether I can send outbound mail through their SMTP > server with my domain as the From address. When they started blocking > outbound TCP to port 25 they had a FAQ that dissed that as "vanity > domain" -- first I'd heard of the term but not the last. I use dyndns with their outbound relay. It's the only way I can be sure my mail goes out... > When I want to send email through my Rogers connection (only in > emergencies) I use an IPsec tunnel to a friendly relay in another > continent. Another thing to break. Agreed. -- Jose Dias jose "dot" dias "at" DiasLan "dot" net -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jad-V3Qe//ktpHnR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 29 00:15:45 2008 From: jad-V3Qe//ktpHnR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (Jose A. Dias) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:15:45 -0400 Subject: ASSP anyone? Message-ID: <08795C772787354E914917175F5503307372CB@skarloey.diaslan.net> All, Anyone on the list use ASSP for spam blocking? If so, what are your experiences with it? Bogofilter, spamassasin, etc. are all interesting, but I found that ASSP included all the features of other packages. And, it's written in perl... Thanks. -- Jose Dias jose "dot" dias "at" DiasLan "dot" net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 29 14:31:56 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:31:56 -0400 Subject: ASSP anyone? In-Reply-To: <08795C772787354E914917175F5503307372CB-zSf3HPVPggFgk0lh67m1x+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org> References: <08795C772787354E914917175F5503307372CB@skarloey.diaslan.net> Message-ID: <20080429143156.GB6956@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 08:15:45PM -0400, Jose A. Dias wrote: > All, > > > > Anyone on the list use ASSP for spam blocking? If so, what are your > experiences with it? > > > > Bogofilter, spamassasin, etc. are all interesting, but I found that ASSP > included all the features of other packages. > > > > And, it's written in perl... part of why I only used spamassasin for a short while was that it was written in perl. It was WAY to resource heavy to put up with. bogofilter is way less resource intensive and also works way better. No idea how assp works, but bogofilter works great for me and I have no need to look for something else, especially if it is written in perl or something else similarly inefficient. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 29 18:33:11 2008 From: jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: P.H.P. and Python Message-ID: <1098.207.253.57.115.1209493991.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> I used to think that P.H.P. and Python were programming languages. Then someone told me that they were not programming languages, but scripting languages. Now I have read that P.H.P. and Python are neither programming languages nor scripting languages, but are instead frameworks. What are the differences between programming languages, scripting languages, and frameworks ? James ('Jim') E. McIntosh 416-292-8126 --- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 29 18:37:27 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:37:27 -0400 Subject: P.H.P. and Python In-Reply-To: <1098.207.253.57.115.1209493991.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0ct5LIneo90w@public.gmane.org> References: <1098.207.253.57.115.1209493991.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> Message-ID: <20080429183727.GA30822@watson-wilson.ca> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 02:33:11PM -0400, jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org wrote: >What are the differences between programming languages, scripting >languages, and frameworks ? Ego? -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 29 18:41:49 2008 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:41:49 -0400 Subject: P.H.P. and Python In-Reply-To: <1098.207.253.57.115.1209493991.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0ct5LIneo90w@public.gmane.org> References: <1098.207.253.57.115.1209493991.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> Message-ID: <4386c5b20804291141s23154804r27684968806019e8@mail.gmail.com> Here's my two cents. My impression is that a "scripting language" is intended to be run through an interpreter, rather than compiled, like a programming language is. The result was that a compiled language gave you faster applications. Like C is faster than anything else, apparently, is owing to the efficiency and quality of the compiler turning your code into lean assembly, or what have you. But since computers have become so much faster, I think that in most cases the difference between compiled code and interpreted code becomes less important, except for some specific circumstances where performance really matters. There's also some snobbery in there too, I'm thinking. "Scripting" is a put-down when uttered by a programmer. In truth, I don't think of myself as a programmer when I'm building web applications with PHP. But having delved into programming with Objective-C and the Cocoa frameworks, I can see the similarities for sure. So we're not so different, I'd say! PHP and Python are definitely NOT frameworks. A framework is a set of functions or method calls that you can use in that language to make certain tasks easier. Like CakePHP is a web application framework. Cheers, Aaron. On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 2:33 PM, wrote: > I used to think that P.H.P. and Python were programming languages. > > Then someone told me that they were not programming languages, but > scripting languages. > > Now I have read that P.H.P. and Python are neither programming languages > nor scripting languages, but are instead frameworks. > > What are the differences between programming languages, scripting > languages, and frameworks ? > > > James ('Jim') E. McIntosh > > 416-292-8126 > --- > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Aaron Vegh, Principal Innoveghtive Inc. P: (647) 477-2690 C: (905) 924-1220 www.innoveghtive.com www.website-in-a-day.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 29 19:04:01 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: P.H.P. and Python (and Tcl/Tk!) In-Reply-To: <1098.207.253.57.115.1209493991.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0ct5LIneo90w@public.gmane.org> References: <1098.207.253.57.115.1209493991.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> Message-ID: <3402.72.141.151.216.1209495841.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > I used to think that P.H.P. and Python were programming languages. > > Then someone told me that they were not programming languages, but > scripting languages. > > Now I have read that P.H.P. and Python are neither programming languages > nor scripting languages, but are instead frameworks. > > What are the differences between programming languages, scripting > languages, and frameworks ? > > > James ('Jim') E. McIntosh > > 416-292-8126 > --- From: Scripting: Higher Level Programming for the 21st Century John K. Ousterhout http://home.pacbell.net/ouster/scripting.html Quote: ------ Scripting languages such as Perl and Tcl represent a very different style of programming than system programming languages such as C or JavaTM. Scripting languages are designed for "gluing" applications; they use typeless approaches to achieve a higher level of programming and more rapid application development than system programming languages. Increases in computer speed and changes in the application mix are making scripting languages more and more important for applications of the future. ------------------------------------------------------------------ We use Tcl/Tk, a scripting language, to program our hardware. Ousterhout shows a very strong time and effort advantage for scripting languages in software development, in a comparison of various projects. Peter -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 29 19:46:19 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:46:19 -0400 Subject: P.H.P. and Python In-Reply-To: <1098.207.253.57.115.1209493991.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0ct5LIneo90w@public.gmane.org> References: <1098.207.253.57.115.1209493991.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 2:33 PM, wrote: > I used to think that P.H.P. and Python were programming languages. > > Then someone told me that they were not programming languages, but > scripting languages. > > Now I have read that P.H.P. and Python are neither programming languages > nor scripting languages, but are instead frameworks. > > What are the differences between programming languages, scripting > languages, and frameworks ? The "snobbery" surrounding "real programming languages" versus "scripting languages" dates somewhat back to the mainframe days where the two sorts of languages interacted in a very strongly imposed fashion: - "Real" programmers wrote code in languages like FORTRAN, COBOL, PL/1, and such like, which compiled into object code.[1] - "Computer operators" would then write 'scripts', initially in JCL, and later, in EXEC and REXX, or DCL, which would connect the 'real programs' to the files that they needed to access. The scripts were mere "plumbing" for execution of the "real" code, written by the "real" programmers. In the world of Unix, the "compiled" language was typically C. Bourne shell was a tad friendlier than JCL and DCL, offering more opportunity to implement logic in it. But a common way to do things in C would be: - Write some essential functionality in C - Write a script that uses the C code, along with tools like sort, awk, grep, sed, and such, to perform work. Over time, the functionality of the scripting languages grew, so that you might be able to have more or less sophisticated logic implemented in them. Perl emerged, in particular, as an extensible scripting language. As its capabilities grew, the need to jump out to 'sort', 'awk', 'sed', and 'grep' diminished, as relevant features were drawn into the scripting language. Eventually, there were enough function libraries (CPAN!) for Perl that you mightn't need to do any C work in order to generate applications of interesting complexity. Simultaneously, people that thought Perl looked like line noise started building alternatives, from whence emerged Python, Ruby, and such. Increasingly, those that treat "scripting languages" as toys evidence bigotry that suggests that they are still tied to the likes of PL/1 and JCL ;-). [1] The Real Programmers wrote in languages like C, PL/1, and such, languages spelled out in CAPITAL LETTERS. :-) -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/languages.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 29 23:18:06 2008 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:18:06 -0400 Subject: P.H.P. and Python In-Reply-To: References: <1098.207.253.57.115.1209493991.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> Message-ID: <4817ACAE.4020605@alteeve.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > [1] The Real Programmers wrote in languages like C, PL/1, and such, > languages spelled out in CAPITAL LETTERS. :-) What like BASIC? :) [Runs for his life] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 00:11:54 2008 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:11:54 -0400 Subject: Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder Message-ID: <048701c8aa56$ccdaa650$668ff2f0$@com> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/04/reiser-guilty-o.html OAKLAND, California -- Jurors found Linux programmer Hans Reiser guilty of first degree murder on Monday, concluding he killed his estranged wife in 2006. The verdict followed a nearly six-month trial and nearly three days of deliberation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 01:38:42 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:38:42 -0400 Subject: Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder In-Reply-To: <048701c8aa56$ccdaa650$668ff2f0$@com> References: <048701c8aa56$ccdaa650$668ff2f0$@com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/04/reiser-guilty-o.html > > OAKLAND, California -- Jurors found Linux programmer Hans Reiser guilty of > first degree murder on Monday, concluding he killed his estranged wife in > 2006. The verdict followed a nearly six-month trial and nearly three days of > deliberation I hate to be a "semantics nazi," but I find it fairly typical that the title says "Hans Reiser Guilty" when what happened was "Hans Reiser *FOUND* Guilty," which has the not-so-fine distinction that the former implies a more-or-less absolute truth whilst the latter includes some recognition of the fallibility of human choice. He may have done it, though the evidence that has been reported seems more circumstantial than strikes me as comforting. It would be a shame, pointedly, if he was convicted as a result of the judge's unflattering comments on Reiser's testimony. Yes, he's clearly quite a jerk when he chooses to be; that is NOT, in and of itself, evidence of murder. And supposing he did do what he has been found guilty of, this is also a mighty uncomfortable thing. It demonstrates that the community that many of us identify with has a definite dark side. Highly, highly regrettable situation. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 01:48:51 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:48:51 -0400 Subject: Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder In-Reply-To: References: <048701c8aa56$ccdaa650$668ff2f0$@com> Message-ID: <20080430014851.GA23235@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 09:38:42PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: >On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: >> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/04/reiser-guilty-o.html >> >> OAKLAND, California -- Jurors found Linux programmer Hans Reiser guilty of >> first degree murder on Monday, concluding he killed his estranged wife in >> 2006. The verdict followed a nearly six-month trial and nearly three days of >> deliberation >And supposing he did do what he has been found guilty of, this is also >a mighty uncomfortable thing. It demonstrates that the community that >many of us identify with has a definite dark side. I would like to point out that, barring surprises and dogs, all of us on this list are human - a condition notorious for a smooth and frighteningly wide range of grey betwixt black and white. Regardless of what actually happened, this is a sad loss of life for one, of liberty for another, but it is no more a reflection of the open source community (and no less, BTW) than Al Capone's actions reflect on the distillers'. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I mean who wants to use MansonFS or McVeighFS :P > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of William > O'Higgins Witteman > Sent: April 29, 2008 9:49 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 09:38:42PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > >On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Ansar Mohammed > wrote: > >> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/04/reiser-guilty-o.html > >> > >> OAKLAND, California -- Jurors found Linux programmer Hans Reiser > >> guilty of first degree murder on Monday, concluding he killed his > >> estranged wife in 2006. The verdict followed a nearly six-month > trial > >> and nearly three days of deliberation > > >And supposing he did do what he has been found guilty of, this is also > >a mighty uncomfortable thing. It demonstrates that the community that > >many of us identify with has a definite dark side. > > I would like to point out that, barring surprises and dogs, all of us > on this list are human - a condition notorious for a smooth and > frighteningly wide range of grey betwixt black and white. Regardless > of what actually happened, this is a sad loss of life for one, of > liberty for another, but it is no more a reflection of the open source > community (and no less, BTW) than Al Capone's actions reflect on the > distillers'. > -- > > yours, > > William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 04:08:36 2008 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:08:36 -0400 Subject: Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder In-Reply-To: <04ee01c8aa6e$1b871060$52953120$@com> References: <048701c8aa56$ccdaa650$668ff2f0$@com> <20080430014851.GA23235@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <04ee01c8aa6e$1b871060$52953120$@com> Message-ID: <7ac602420804292108j21aa1da9tb575da92bf70cd3a@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Well at least its open source and the project can continue without him. But > should they rename it considering the filesystem will be named after a > convicted felon.. I mean who wants to use MansonFS or McVeighFS :P I wonder if that would really be worth the trouble. I didn't realize the reiser in reiserfs was a person's name until long after I started using the filesystem, and lots of computer users couldn't tell you the name of the filesystem they're using, or even recognize that a filesystem is a distinguishable entity in an operating system. If someone wants to fork the project in order to bring it back into active maintenance, I could understand choosing a new name since you're already doing all the work of forking, but otherwise it seems like a wasted effort to me. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 07:20:28 2008 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:20:28 -0400 Subject: Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder In-Reply-To: References: <048701c8aa56$ccdaa650$668ff2f0$@com> Message-ID: <20080430032028.94f5cfvuskk48g0k@mail.math.yorku.ca> Quoting Christopher Browne : > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: >> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/04/reiser-guilty-o.html >> >> OAKLAND, California -- Jurors found Linux programmer Hans Reiser guilty of >> first degree murder on Monday, concluding he killed his estranged wife in >> 2006. The verdict followed a nearly six-month trial and nearly three days of >> deliberation > > I hate to be a "semantics nazi," but I find it fairly typical that the > title says "Hans Reiser Guilty" when what happened was "Hans Reiser > *FOUND* Guilty," which has the not-so-fine distinction that the former > implies a more-or-less absolute truth whilst the latter includes some > recognition of the fallibility of human choice. Yeah, this seems to be standard journalistic shorthand, but it bugs me too a little bit. On the other hand it could be defended as saying that he is now guilty in the eyes of the law, which is a different thing (though, one hopes, strongly correlated) with being factually guilty. My personal peeve with journalists, particularly TV journalists, along these lines, is when they use the word "suspect" to mean "perpetrator", in sentences like "police don't know who the suspect is". No, the police don't *have* a suspect; the person who actually did it is not a suspect, because the police don't know who he is. It strikes me as a dangerous usage, because it could blur the distinction between "suspect" and "perpetrator", making people think that those identified as "suspects" are probably guilty. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 12:34:04 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:34:04 -0400 Subject: Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder In-Reply-To: <20080430032028.94f5cfvuskk48g0k-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <048701c8aa56$ccdaa650$668ff2f0$@com> <20080430032028.94f5cfvuskk48g0k@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <4818673C.6060104@telly.org> Mike Oliver wrote: > Quoting Christopher Browne : >> I hate to be a "semantics nazi," but I find it fairly typical that the >> title says "Hans Reiser Guilty" when what happened was "Hans Reiser >> *FOUND* Guilty," which has the not-so-fine distinction [...] > Yeah, this seems to be standard journalistic shorthand, but it bugs me > too a little bit. That's why it's called a "title", "subject" or "headline". By necessity it must be overly simplistic. The details of the story were accurate -- the very first sentence was "Jurors found Linux programmer Hans Reiser guilty ..." Playing "semantics nazi" with headlines and titles strikes me as one of the most utterly pointless things upon which to expend effort. Why not complain about the grammar too? (the title contains no verb) Sheesh. This exchange evokes one of my favourite Monty Python songs: http://www.lyricsdepot.com/monty-python/im-so-worried.html - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 13:01:37 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ReiserFS: Was: Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder In-Reply-To: <4818673C.6060104-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <048701c8aa56$ccdaa650$668ff2f0$@com> <20080430032028.94f5cfvuskk48g0k@mail.math.yorku.ca> <4818673C.6060104@telly.org> Message-ID: <26271.72.141.151.216.1209560497.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> As Mr. Reiser was being found guilty of murder, his file system became corrupted on my Suse linux machine. (I assume, but have no proof, that those two events are unrelated ;). My ham-fisted attempts at recovery totally destroyed the file system. Fortunately, I had backups - and this gave me an excuse to upgrade to newer hardware and operating system. (Question for the great Oooohm of the universe: why the *%(^@#$ in these new GUI driven systems do they make it so difficult to find Xterm?) Anyway, on the basis of previous experience with extfs I got the impression that extfs was somewhat more tolerant and recoverable from errors. Any observations or comments from the group on that? Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 13:02:10 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:02:10 -0400 Subject: P.H.P. and Python (and Tcl/Tk!) In-Reply-To: <3402.72.141.151.216.1209495841.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <1098.207.253.57.115.1209493991.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> <3402.72.141.151.216.1209495841.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20080430130210.GC6956@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 03:04:01PM -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Scripting: Higher Level Programming > for the 21st Century > > John K. Ousterhout > > http://home.pacbell.net/ouster/scripting.html > > Quote: > ------ > Scripting languages such as Perl and Tcl represent a very different style > of programming than system programming languages such as C or JavaTM. > Scripting languages are designed for "gluing" applications; they use > typeless approaches to achieve a higher level of programming and more > rapid application development than system programming languages. Increases > in computer speed and changes in the application mix are making scripting > languages more and more important for applications of the future. > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > We use Tcl/Tk, a scripting language, to program our hardware. Ousterhout > shows a very strong time and effort advantage for scripting languages in > software development, in a comparison of various projects. Many scripting languages do have types, so I certainly find the quote rather misleading. It may have been true 20 years ago, but things evolve and (sometimes) improve. Scripts may often be used as glue, but many full applications are now written in scripting languages as well. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 13:02:04 2008 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:02:04 -0400 Subject: P.H.P. and Python (and Tcl/Tk!) In-Reply-To: <3402.72.141.151.216.1209495841.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <1098.207.253.57.115.1209493991.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> <3402.72.141.151.216.1209495841.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20080430130204.699A983833@sarg.ryerson.ca> As a computer languages researcher, I have to respond that the only real difference in the categories you cite: programming languages, scripting languages, and framework languages is marketing, pure and simple. What Ousterhout and others are referring to as scripting languages are symply dynamically-typed languages, with convenient facilities to access other programs. Those facilities to access other programs are available in standard C libraries... just a bit less conveniently (fork/pipe in the extreme). Dynamically typed languages have been around since the 50s (LISP is contemporaneous with FORTRAN I), and include LISP, Scheme (a syntactic variant of LISP), Smalltalk, Ruby (a syntactic variant of Smalltalk) and APL. There are compilers for these languages, but even interpreters (except for Ruby) have relatively little negative effect on performance (at most a few months worth of Moore's Law), partly because language primitives are often very powerful. /bin/sh, awk, early Perl, PHP, and to some degree Tcl/Tk are slightly further down that road in that all data are strings, but some operations can interpret them as numbers, etc. This has both performance and reliability/safety implications, but they are rarely critical. Most of these languages are also pure interpreters and have some performance hit (a few more months worth of Moore's law). The only significant theoretical distinction for a programming language is whether it is Turing complete: essentially does it have a while-loop equivalent, and some form of collections (strings will do). All the languages listed above are Turing complete. The closest thing that arguably is not is sed. Christopher Browne makes good points also about ego and programmers/ operators (and in fact, there were many other levels in that heirarchy - blessedly mostly now gone). ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 13:05:47 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:05:47 -0400 Subject: P.H.P. and Python (and Tcl/Tk!) In-Reply-To: <20080430130204.699A983833-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <1098.207.253.57.115.1209493991.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> <3402.72.141.151.216.1209495841.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20080430130204.699A983833@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20080430130547.GD6956@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 09:02:04AM -0400, Dave Mason wrote: > As a computer languages researcher, I have to respond that the only real > difference in the categories you cite: programming languages, scripting > languages, and framework languages is marketing, pure and simple. > > What Ousterhout and others are referring to as scripting languages are > symply dynamically-typed languages, with convenient facilities to access > other programs. > > Those facilities to access other programs are available in standard C > libraries... just a bit less conveniently (fork/pipe in the extreme). > > Dynamically typed languages have been around since the 50s (LISP is > contemporaneous with FORTRAN I), and include LISP, Scheme (a syntactic > variant of LISP), Smalltalk, Ruby (a syntactic variant of Smalltalk) and > APL. There are compilers for these languages, but even interpreters > (except for Ruby) have relatively little negative effect on performance > (at most a few months worth of Moore's Law), partly because language > primitives are often very powerful. > > /bin/sh, awk, early Perl, PHP, and to some degree Tcl/Tk are slightly > further down that road in that all data are strings, but some operations > can interpret them as numbers, etc. This has both performance and > reliability/safety implications, but they are rarely critical. Most of > these languages are also pure interpreters and have some performance hit > (a few more months worth of Moore's law). > > The only significant theoretical distinction for a programming language > is whether it is Turing complete: essentially does it have a while-loop > equivalent, and some form of collections (strings will do). All the > languages listed above are Turing complete. The closest thing that > arguably is not is sed. Someone here claims sed is turing complete (I dno't want to try and prove it one way or the other that's for sure): http://sed.sourceforge.net/grabbag/scripts/turing.sed > Christopher Browne makes good points also about ego and programmers/ > operators (and in fact, there were many other levels in that heirarchy - > blessedly mostly now gone). I write both C and perl (lots of both) and some shell scripts. I consider all of it programming, although maybe for the shell scripts it often doesn't seem much like programming. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 13:08:07 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:08:07 -0400 Subject: P.H.P. and Python In-Reply-To: References: <1098.207.253.57.115.1209493991.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> Message-ID: <20080430130807.GE6956@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 03:46:19PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 2:33 PM, wrote: > > I used to think that P.H.P. and Python were programming languages. > > > > Then someone told me that they were not programming languages, but > > scripting languages. > > > > Now I have read that P.H.P. and Python are neither programming languages > > nor scripting languages, but are instead frameworks. > > > > What are the differences between programming languages, scripting > > languages, and frameworks ? > > The "snobbery" surrounding "real programming languages" versus > "scripting languages" dates somewhat back to the mainframe days where > the two sorts of languages interacted in a very strongly imposed > fashion: > > - "Real" programmers wrote code in languages like FORTRAN, COBOL, > PL/1, and such like, which compiled into object code.[1] > - "Computer operators" would then write 'scripts', initially in JCL, > and later, in EXEC and REXX, or DCL, which would connect the 'real > programs' to the files that they needed to access. The scripts were > mere "plumbing" for execution of the "real" code, written by the > "real" programmers. > > In the world of Unix, the "compiled" language was typically C. Bourne > shell was a tad friendlier than JCL and DCL, offering more opportunity > to implement logic in it. But a common way to do things in C would > be: > - Write some essential functionality in C > - Write a script that uses the C code, along with tools like sort, > awk, grep, sed, and such, to perform work. > > Over time, the functionality of the scripting languages grew, so that > you might be able to have more or less sophisticated logic implemented > in them. > > Perl emerged, in particular, as an extensible scripting language. As > its capabilities grew, the need to jump out to 'sort', 'awk', 'sed', > and 'grep' diminished, as relevant features were drawn into the > scripting language. > > Eventually, there were enough function libraries (CPAN!) for Perl that > you mightn't need to do any C work in order to generate applications > of interesting complexity. Simultaneously, people that thought Perl > looked like line noise started building alternatives, from whence > emerged Python, Ruby, and such. > > Increasingly, those that treat "scripting languages" as toys evidence > bigotry that suggests that they are still tied to the likes of PL/1 > and JCL ;-). > > [1] The Real Programmers wrote in languages like C, PL/1, and such, > languages spelled out in CAPITAL LETTERS. :-) JCL, DCL and REXX look like capital letters to me. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 13:12:22 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:12:22 -0400 Subject: Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder In-Reply-To: <7ac602420804292108j21aa1da9tb575da92bf70cd3a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <048701c8aa56$ccdaa650$668ff2f0$@com> <20080430014851.GA23235@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <04ee01c8aa6e$1b871060$52953120$@com> <7ac602420804292108j21aa1da9tb575da92bf70cd3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080430131222.GF6956@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 12:08:36AM -0400, Ian Petersen wrote: > I wonder if that would really be worth the trouble. I didn't realize > the reiser in reiserfs was a person's name until long after I started > using the filesystem, and lots of computer users couldn't tell you the > name of the filesystem they're using, or even recognize that a > filesystem is a distinguishable entity in an operating system. If > someone wants to fork the project in order to bring it back into > active maintenance, I could understand choosing a new name since > you're already doing all the work of forking, but otherwise it seems > like a wasted effort to me. There are lots of other people named Reiser. It's just a name after all. Just because there might be one bad person with the name doesn't make it a bad name. What would the world do if a serial killer was named John Smith. Oh dear. Besides he did start the project to develop the file system. And who knows, maybe appeals will happen and at some point he could be found not guilty. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 13:15:31 2008 From: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: P.H.P. and Python In-Reply-To: <1098.207.253.57.115.1209493991.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0ct5LIneo90w@public.gmane.org> References: <1098.207.253.57.115.1209493991.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> Message-ID: I discuss this in the beginning of my book "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash". Ken B. On Tue, 29 Apr 2008, jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > I used to think that P.H.P. and Python were programming languages. > > Then someone told me that they were not programming languages, but > scripting languages. > > Now I have read that P.H.P. and Python are neither programming languages > nor scripting languages, but are instead frameworks. > > What are the differences between programming languages, scripting > languages, and frameworks ? > > > James ('Jim') E. McIntosh > > 416-292-8126 > --- > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 13:18:45 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:18:45 -0400 Subject: ReiserFS: Was: Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder In-Reply-To: <26271.72.141.151.216.1209560497.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <048701c8aa56$ccdaa650$668ff2f0$@com> <20080430032028.94f5cfvuskk48g0k@mail.math.yorku.ca> <4818673C.6060104@telly.org> <26271.72.141.151.216.1209560497.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20080430131845.GG6956@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 09:01:37AM -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > As Mr. Reiser was being found guilty of murder, his file system became > corrupted on my Suse linux machine. (I assume, but have no proof, that > those two events are unrelated ;). > > My ham-fisted attempts at recovery totally destroyed the file system. > Fortunately, I had backups - and this gave me an excuse to upgrade to > newer hardware and operating system. (Question for the great Oooohm of the > universe: why the *%(^@#$ in these new GUI driven systems do they make it > so difficult to find Xterm?) > > Anyway, on the basis of previous experience with extfs I got the > impression that extfs was somewhat more tolerant and recoverable from > errors. Any observations or comments from the group on that? ext3 works for me. It recovers well (even from very stupid mistakes on my part). reiserfs may perform better (when it works) but if it breaks it has a lot less redundancy and its repair tools are pretty much a joke and can often cause more damage. XFS had serious bugs in linux when I tried to use it 3 years ago, so since I actually wanted to do work, not run xfsrepair after reseting a crashed machine I moved to ext3 again and have stuck with that. I never tried JFS and I have seen rumours that support for it may be going away, but I am not sure. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 13:21:32 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: P.H.P. and Python (and Tcl/Tk!) In-Reply-To: <20080430130204.699A983833-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <1098.207.253.57.115.1209493991.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> <3402.72.141.151.216.1209495841.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20080430130204.699A983833@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <13312.72.141.151.216.1209561692.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > /bin/sh, awk, early Perl, PHP, and to some degree Tcl/Tk are slightly > further down that road in that all data are strings, but some operations > can interpret them as numbers, etc. This has both performance and > reliability/safety implications, but they are rarely critical. Most of > these languages are also pure interpreters and have some performance hit > (a few more months worth of Moore's law). When we first started using Tcl/Tk (which is interpreted) , there was a significant performance hit in comparison to compiled languages. It was worth it, because the speed was (just) adequate and the features and convenience of the language were a good fit to our applications. Subsequently Tcl/Tk has incorporated various on-the-fly complilations that improve the speed without impacting the convenience of an interpreted language. We can now do screen updates on our oscilloscope hardware at a rate that is indistinguishable from an analog scope. Some of that is due to the high-speed USB connection, some due to increased processor clock rates, and some due to improvements in Tcl/Tk. We can now do a dual trace display, an FFT calculation and plot, and a histogram plot at a rate some 20x faster than we could originally do the trace plot alone. You probably wouldn't want to use Tcl/Tk for a weather prediction program or air traffic control, but it's fast enough for many applications. That probably applies to many other interpreted languages, as Dave suggests. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 13:33:51 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:33:51 -0400 Subject: Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder In-Reply-To: <04ee01c8aa6e$1b871060$52953120$@com> References: <048701c8aa56$ccdaa650$668ff2f0$@com> <20080430014851.GA23235@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <04ee01c8aa6e$1b871060$52953120$@com> Message-ID: <4818753F.2040400@alteeve.com> Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Well at least its open source and the project can continue without him. But > should they rename it considering the filesystem will be named after a > convicted felon.. I mean who wants to use MansonFS or McVeighFS :P | / \ | | Time to fork, I think. Yes, Resier is "just a name", but in this case, it's the name of a (convicted) murderer. Yes, I know that the courts can convict the innocent all too well. From the point of view of "marketability" though, I don't think the ReiserFS has much of a long term hope without a fork that can be pointed to by VARs to show a certain degree of separation. It's a terrible situation, no matter how you cut it. I feel terrible for their kids. :( Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 13:36:50 2008 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:36:50 -0400 Subject: P.H.P. and Python (and Tcl/Tk!) In-Reply-To: <20080430130547.GD6956-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1098.207.253.57.115.1209493991.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> <3402.72.141.151.216.1209495841.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20080430130204.699A983833@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20080430130547.GD6956@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20080430133650.CCA9B83833@sarg.ryerson.ca> >> The closest thing that arguably is not is sed. > Someone here claims sed is turing complete (I dno't want to try and > prove it one way or the other that's for sure): > http://sed.sourceforge.net/grabbag/scripts/turing.sed I did say "arguably", and I hesitated about saying even that. (I also had a grad student who had written a turing machine in sed (in a previous life), but I had never had the energy to try to figure it out.) If I added the restriction: "original sed, before they added the looping construct" it certainly isn't Turing complete, but that's going back pretty far. I was trying to give people some perspective on how little Turing completeness actually says about a language. Bottom line is it's hard to come up with an extant "programming language" that isn't Turing complete. XSLT is another example of something that is. Usually these days it's a very concious effort to make a language not Turing complete (so you can guarantee termination of any calculation). The Wikipedia article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness suggests cycle-free spreadsheets (ignoring already Turing-complete extension languages like BASIC) and standards-compliant SQL as well known examples. (Note that, depending on the implementation of the spreadsheet, a cyclic construct could allow you to write a Turing machine in a spreadsheet.) ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 15:37:40 2008 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Moniz Family) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:37:40 -0400 Subject: Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder In-Reply-To: <20080430131222.GF6956-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <048701c8aa56$ccdaa650$668ff2f0$@com> <20080430014851.GA23235@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <04ee01c8aa6e$1b871060$52953120$@com> <7ac602420804292108j21aa1da9tb575da92bf70cd3a@mail.gmail.com> <20080430131222.GF6956@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <48189244.8010200@sympatico.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > There are lots of other people named Reiser. It's just a name after > all. Just because there might be one bad person with the name doesn't > make it a bad name. > > What would the world do if a serial killer was named John Smith. Oh > dear. > > Besides he did start the project to develop the file system. And who > knows, maybe appeals will happen and at some point he could be found not > guilty. I know of a fine and well established children's karate school, with branches throughout London, that used to be known as Bernardo Karate. They are now known as Family Karate. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 15:50:36 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:50:36 -0400 Subject: Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder In-Reply-To: <48189244.8010200-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <048701c8aa56$ccdaa650$668ff2f0$@com> <20080430014851.GA23235@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <04ee01c8aa6e$1b871060$52953120$@com> <7ac602420804292108j21aa1da9tb575da92bf70cd3a@mail.gmail.com> <20080430131222.GF6956@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48189244.8010200@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20080430155036.GC12068@watson-wilson.ca> On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:37:40AM -0400, Moniz Family wrote: > I know of a fine and well established children's karate school, with > branches throughout London, that used to be known as Bernardo Karate. > They are now known as Family Karate. Really? Mike has such a good reputation. -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 15:56:55 2008 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:56:55 -0400 Subject: HylaFax with Exchange Message-ID: <49e826e90804300856u19291f9atac29f36bb981b57d@mail.gmail.com> Hello Anyone have successful experience integrating HylaFax with Microsoft Exchange so that incoming faxes are automatically dropped in the recepient's inbox. best regards Asaf -- "I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." - Richard P. Feynman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spamstinksmmmkay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 19:06:04 2008 From: spamstinksmmmkay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (R.T.) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:06:04 -0400 Subject: Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder In-Reply-To: <20080430155036.GC12068-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <048701c8aa56$ccdaa650$668ff2f0$@com> <20080430014851.GA23235@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <04ee01c8aa6e$1b871060$52953120$@com> <7ac602420804292108j21aa1da9tb575da92bf70cd3a@mail.gmail.com> <20080430131222.GF6956@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48189244.8010200@sympatico.ca> <20080430155036.GC12068@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_file_systems&oldid=209063556#Features How about that last column? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From overholt-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 20:26:16 2008 From: overholt-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Andrew Overholt) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:26:16 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 Release Party - 13 May @ LinuxCaffe Message-ID: <1209587176.25362.79.camel@blingbling> Hi, Everyone is welcome to come to a Fedora 9 release party at the LinuxCaffe on the 13th of May from around 5 PM until closing. If you haven't tried Fedora in a while, come on out and see what the latest release is like. We'll have laptops on hand to make live USB sticks -- with persistent storage so you can save your data on the same stick as your install! -- so bring your >= 1 GB sticks. If you'd prefer optical media, bring blank CDs or DVDs. We'll have some blank DVDs ourselves so if you don't have any, don't worry. Details: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AndrewOverholt/F9_Release_Party Should you have write access to the Fedora wiki, feel free to add your name to the list of attendees. Looking forward to seeing you on the 13th! Andrew -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 30 23:22:58 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (sciguy) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:22:58 -0400 Subject: Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder In-Reply-To: References: <048701c8aa56$ccdaa650$668ff2f0$@com> Message-ID: <20080430232313.130691D4C8@gollum.vex.net> <20080430014851.GA23235-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5 at public.gmane.org> <04ee01c8aa6e$1b871060$52953120$@com> <7ac602420804292108j21aa1da9tb575da92bf70cd3a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg at public.gmane.org> <20080430131222.GF6956-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> <48189244.8010200-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org> <20080430155036.GC12068-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org> Message-ID: <0bf9b19cb40b6d092d141e029de098ad-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org> X-Sender: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Received: from 38.116.202.1 [38.116.202.1] with HTTP/1.1 (POST); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:23:13 -0400 User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a suspicion that it won't last for long. I understand Wikipedia responds relatively quickly to hacking/vandalism attempts. Besides, at the risk of being called a "semantics nazi", it's not the file system that will muder your wife. :-) Paul On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:06:04 -0400, R.T. wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_file_systems&oldid=209063556#Features > > How about that last column? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists