From kmastin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 1 19:26:05 2007 From: kmastin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (keith) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:26:05 -0400 Subject: Backup Solutions In-Reply-To: References: <018701c7eaf6$7961b790$c601a8c0@plex31> <20070830124949.GA31598@watson-wilson.ca> <20070830165335.GB31598@watson-wilson.ca> <20070830170620.GM11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070830172801.GC31598@watson-wilson.ca> <20070830180629.GD31598@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <1188674765.3748.5.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2007-30-08 at 15:40 -0400, Alex Maynard wrote: > On Thu, 30 Aug 2007, Neil Watson wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 02:02:51PM -0400, Alex Maynard wrote: > >> I just rsync regularly between one home and one work computers and one or > >> two old laptops? Now I am wondering if this is good enough or if I need > >> to be doing something else on top of that? Though its only my own data, > >> losing it would pose a big cost. Does this seem reasonably or do you think > >> I should be adding some extra safe-gaurds? > > > > It depends on what type of data loss you want to protect yourself from. > > When you use rsync what happens to files at the backup location that > > were deleted at the source? Using your rsync method can you restore a > > historical file? > > Thank you. This is the part I worry about. If I corrupt a file on one > computer, it will soon be corrupted on all. I guess I should keep some > older backups that only change once a week/month as well? The more the merrier. 1/day/week + 1/week/current month + 1/month/year + 1/year should give you enough redundancy to cover just about any eventuality that we use backups for. HTH Keith -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 1 11:02:58 2007 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 14:02:58 +0300 Subject: Browser settings and multiple httpd on a single server Message-ID: Hi pals, I am wondering what steps one can take to allow firefox/IE or any other browser for that matter to be able to access two apache servers listening on different ports, but using the same IP without having to manually change browser's settings any time you want to visit the server on non standard port? To be more descriptive, I have two servers pop.example.com and lists.example.com. Both run on the same IP and the later is listening on 3128. This was necessary as the httpd.conf file needed by the two service are not compatible. Is there any simple solution for this problem out there? Users tend not to like changing stuff often, so my solution has found considerable resistance Thanks in advance William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 1 13:22:17 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 09:22:17 -0400 Subject: spamassassin message in syslog Message-ID: <46D96789.2030906@utoronto.ca> Anyone know why spamassassin would not see Sept. 1 as day 1 of the month and write this message to syslog? Sep 1 07:56:59 host spamd[10629]: Day '32' out of range 1..31 at /usr/share/perl5/Mail/SpamAssassin/Util.pm line 446 I found this http://www.cpanforum.com/threads/2881 but that doesn't explain why spamassassin would give that error, especially considering http://www.ohloh.net/projects/4543/contributors/27447/commits/6291011 http://archive.netbsd.se/?ml=spamassassin-users&a=2006-10&m=2475376 Not really a problem, just looks like it's been fixed in the past. This is on Debian Etch, jamon at host:~$ spamassassin --version SpamAssassin version 3.1.7-deb running on Perl version 5.8.8 Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 1 14:09:58 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 10:09:58 -0400 Subject: Browser settings and multiple httpd on a single server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99a6c38f0709010709s1d74625lc5f012b849cb8937@mail.gmail.com> On 9/1/07, Kihara Muriithi wrote: > I am wondering what steps one can take to allow firefox/IE or any > other browser for that matter to be able to access two apache servers > listening on different ports, but using the same IP without having to > manually change browser's settings any time you want to visit the > server on non standard port? > > To be more descriptive, I have two servers pop.example.com and > lists.example.com. Both run on the same IP and the later is listening > on 3128. This was necessary as the httpd.conf file needed by the two > service are not compatible. Is there any simple solution for this > problem out there? Users tend not to like changing stuff often, so my > solution has found considerable resistance Hi William, If you're using Apache, there are a couple methods you might be able to use such as name-based virtual hosting and URL rewriting. Additional information can be found in the Apache manual: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/ http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/rewriteguide.html For a quick fix (great for testing), you should be able to just add the port number in the url: First Server -> http://pop.example.com/ Second -> http://pop.example.com:3128/ -- Scott Elcomb [ http://www.psema4.com/ ] "Our Founders' faith in the viability of representative democracy rested on their trust in the wisdom of a well-informed citizenry, their ingenious design for checks and balances, and their belief that the rule of reason is the natural sovereign of a free people." - Al Gore (The Assault on Reason, 2008) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 1 15:51:26 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 11:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: cheap GPS / buy a Microsoft product! Message-ID: I noticed that the Factory Direct flyer in today's Star offers the Microsoft Streets and Trips 2006 with GPS Locator for $39.99 This seems like a good price. The locator will work under Linux. It is a little box + cable that plugs into a USB port. The software is of course useless under Linux. Linux mapping software could be improved. So buy one of these and pitch in :-) As usual, phone Factory Direct before making a trip: they often don't stock what they advertise. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 1 16:36:59 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: cheap GPS / buy a Microsoft product! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4242.74.99.32.193.1188664619.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Interesting. Questions - - The factory direct web page has no mention of any hardware. Is the locator something they're bundling with the package? Or it's just something that comes with the software from Microsoft? - Is there *any* linux software that will talk to the locator? Thanks for pointing this out... Peter > I noticed that the Factory Direct flyer in today's Star offers the > Microsoft Streets and Trips 2006 with GPS Locator for $39.99 > > This seems like a good price. The locator will work under Linux. It is a > little box + cable that plugs into a USB port. The software is of course > useless under Linux. > > Linux mapping software could be improved. So buy one of these and pitch > in :-) > > As usual, phone Factory Direct before making a trip: they often don't > stock what they advertise. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 1 17:12:43 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:12:43 -0400 Subject: cheap GPS / buy a Microsoft product! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709011312.44271.softquake@gmail.com> On Saturday 01 September 2007 11:51, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I noticed that the Factory Direct flyer in today's Star offers the > Microsoft Streets and Trips 2006 with GPS Locator for $39.99 > > This seems like a good price. The locator will work under Linux. It is a > little box + cable that plugs into a USB port. The software is of course > useless under Linux. I wonder how all this works. Is the database with maps stored on the box or do the maps needed have to be downloaded through the internet? Detailed maps for North America take around 20 GB disk space. > Linux mapping software could be improved. So buy one of these and pitch > in :-) Depends, what you have in mind. It is not so much that there is no Linux software for mapping. They simply did a version for Windows and they obviously did not want to make a Linux version. There is quite some software for mapping working on Linux. Also, there is open source mapping server around (I did not really try myself). MapInfo has some Java based software which works on Linux too. I am developing a very complex web application based on their product, MapXtreme Java. Since it is a web application, it will work on at least Firefox on any platform. hopefully also on other browsers. zb. > As usual, phone Factory Direct before making a trip: they often don't > stock what they advertise. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 1 17:21:49 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: cheap GPS / buy a Microsoft product! In-Reply-To: <4242.74.99.32.193.1188664619.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <4242.74.99.32.193.1188664619.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: | From: | - The factory direct web page has no mention of any hardware. Is the | locator something they're bundling with the package? Or it's just | something that comes with the software from Microsoft? | | - Is there *any* linux software that will talk to the locator? I bought the 2005-titled version of this package. It came with a cute hardware GPS unit that connects via USB (the cable is proprietary on one end). The unit was made by Pharos and you could buy directly from them other ways of connecting. I think that it is a Microsoft-branded Pharos iGPS-360: http://www.pharosgps.com/support/igps360_spec.htm (Pharos was the name of the famous lighthouse of Alexandria. One of the seven wonders of the world.) I have made this work with Linux on my daughter's notebook. It has not actually turned out to be very useful: we haven't done the homework to find useful maps. Of course they might have changed the unit for 2006 but the picture looks the same. Besides, this link suggests that the 2005 and 2006 units are the same: http://www.pharosgps.com/products/accessories/GPS_Receivers/PXT13.htm Click on "Enlarge Image" under the picture. What you get is the upper thing, not the CF adapter part. And a USB cable. Cute size. Googling shows that this package is available from several US places for US$39.95. The 2007 version is more. For example, $59.95 here: http://www.compuvisor.com/microsoft-streets-trips-2007.html?gclid=CMH3x-Pcoo4CFRHzPgodEVDaxw This article claims that the 2007 locator (that is the MS term for the hardware part of the package) is "ten times more sensitive than its predecessor in the previous version of Streets & Trips". So you may wish to pay more for the new one. I have no idea if Linux will support it. http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,127470/article.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 1 17:29:18 2007 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:29:18 -0400 Subject: cheap GPS / buy a Microsoft product! In-Reply-To: <200709011312.44271.softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200709011312.44271.softquake@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006701c7ecbd$a0ceccf0$0105a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> The gps unit just provides location info based on satellites. Everything else is provided by software. Most GPS devices have the capability to hook into a PC using a "variety of standard protocols". > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Zbigniew > Koziol > Sent: September 1, 2007 1:13 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: cheap GPS / buy a Microsoft product! > > On Saturday 01 September 2007 11:51, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > I noticed that the Factory Direct flyer in today's Star offers the > > Microsoft Streets and Trips 2006 with GPS Locator for $39.99 > > > > This seems like a good price. The locator will work under Linux. It is > a > > little box + cable that plugs into a USB port. The software is of > course > > useless under Linux. > > I wonder how all this works. Is the database with maps stored on the box > or do > the maps needed have to be downloaded through the internet? > > Detailed maps for North America take around 20 GB disk space. > > > Linux mapping software could be improved. So buy one of these and pitch > > in :-) > > Depends, what you have in mind. It is not so much that there is no Linux > software for mapping. They simply did a version for Windows and they > obviously did not want to make a Linux version. There is quite some > software > for mapping working on Linux. Also, there is open source mapping server > around (I did not really try myself). MapInfo has some Java based software > which works on Linux too. I am developing a very complex web application > based on their product, MapXtreme Java. Since it is a web application, it > will work on at least Firefox on any platform. hopefully also on other > browsers. > > zb. > > > As usual, phone Factory Direct before making a trip: they often don't > > stock what they advertise. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 1 17:36:45 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: cheap GPS / buy a Microsoft product! In-Reply-To: <200709011312.44271.softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200709011312.44271.softquake@gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Zbigniew Koziol | I wonder how all this works. Is the database with maps stored on the box or do | the maps needed have to be downloaded through the internet? | | Detailed maps for North America take around 20 GB disk space. You could read reviews etc. of Microsoft Streets & Trips. It comes on a DVD. You are allowed to install it all to hard disk or to install in such a way that you need the DVD loaded while using the software. I've installed it but barely used it. When walking, a notebook-based GPS is pretty awkward. Even when driving I find that I'd rather have Kadge (my wife) in the passenger seat than my notebook. The only time I actually used it was on a train -- I wasn't concentrating on driving, but then again the information could not influence our journey (hey, (a) we were on rails, and (b) I wasn't driving). | > Linux mapping software could be improved. So buy one of these and pitch | > in :-) | | Depends, what you have in mind. It is not so much that there is no Linux | software for mapping. They simply did a version for Windows and they | obviously did not want to make a Linux version. There is quite some software | for mapping working on Linux. Also, there is open source mapping server | around (I did not really try myself). MapInfo has some Java based software | which works on Linux too. I am developing a very complex web application | based on their product, MapXtreme Java. Since it is a web application, it | will work on at least Firefox on any platform. hopefully also on other | browsers. I like open source. The state of open-source maps is, uh, evolving. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Main_Page We can help: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Toronto_Mapping_Weekend The Government of Canada has released mapping with a good license but not good enough for openstreetmap. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/WikiProject_Canada I understand that some Linux GPS software is willing to scrape google maps screens. Ugh. Web applications are currently more-or-less tethered. (I'm too cheap to get a cell phone + data plan.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 1 19:59:03 2007 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: newby bash script question Message-ID: Hi All, I'm sorry to be posting you what should be a very simple bash script question. Somehow I haven't quite been able to find an answer to this. (Probably I am picking bad search words on google.) It boils down to not being able to cd properly inside a bash script. What I am trying to is to run a script from directory A A$./script That would have the same effect as using cd to get to directory B and then running a file. Specifically, I would like the script to do the command line equivalent of: A$ cd B B$ latex file.tex which is my case produces different results then A$ latex B/file.tex because the first way latex would look for other files (such as style files) in directory B where they should be but the second way it will look for them in A instead where it won't find them. Sorry for posting such a basic question and thanks very much for any suggestions you might have. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 1 22:22:54 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:22:54 -0400 Subject: newby bash script question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070901222254.GX11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 03:59:03PM -0400, Alex Maynard wrote: > I'm sorry to be posting you what should be a very simple > bash script question. Somehow I haven't quite been able to find an answer > to this. (Probably I am picking bad search words on google.) > > It boils down to not being able to cd properly inside a bash script. > > What I am trying to is to run a script from directory A > A$./script > That would have the same effect as using cd to get to directory > B and then running a file. Specifically, I would like the script to do > the command line equivalent of: > > A$ cd B > B$ latex file.tex How about: #!/bin/bash pushd B latex file.tex popd > which is my case produces different results then > A$ latex B/file.tex > > because the first way latex would look for other files (such as style > files) in directory B where they should be but the second way it > will look for them in A instead where it won't find them. > > Sorry for posting such a basic question and thanks very much for any > suggestions you might have. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 1 22:54:15 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:54:15 -0700 Subject: newby bash script question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a97ef0709011554i55cca060qd474ed690b56db24@mail.gmail.com> You can actually do a "cd" within a bash script and it will do the same as if done manually from the command-line, it's not really that discriminatory as to who is entering input (script or user) in most cases. So in your script, just do cd B latex file.tex The same as you might do from the command-line. Alternately, it might just be a good idea to hardcode B into a variable or something of the like: NEWDIR=/path/to/B cd ${NEWDIR} latex file.tex On 9/1/07, Alex Maynard wrote: > > Hi All, > > I'm sorry to be posting you what should be a very simple > bash script question. Somehow I haven't quite been able to find an answer to this. > (Probably I am picking bad search words on google.) > > It boils down to not being able to cd properly inside a bash script. > > What I am trying to is to run a script from directory A > A$./script > That would have the same effect as using cd to get to directory > B and then running a file. Specifically, I would like the script to do > the command line equivalent of: > > A$ cd B > B$ latex file.tex > > which is my case produces different results then > A$ latex B/file.tex > > because the first way latex would look for other files (such as style > files) in directory B where they should be but the second way it > will look for them in A instead where it won't find them. > > Sorry for posting such a basic question and thanks very much for any > suggestions you might have. > > Alex > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 1 23:01:45 2007 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 19:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: newby bash script question In-Reply-To: <20070901222254.GX11129-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070901222254.GX11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Sep 2007, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 03:59:03PM -0400, Alex Maynard wrote: >> It boils down to not being able to cd properly inside a bash script. >> >> What I am trying to is to run a script from directory A >> A$./script >> That would have the same effect as using cd to get to directory >> B and then running a file. Specifically, I would like the script to do >> the command line equivalent of: >> >> A$ cd B >> B$ latex file.tex > > How about: > > #!/bin/bash > pushd B > latex file.tex > popd > Thank you very much. That did just what I was looking for. Alex > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 1 23:45:21 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 19:45:21 -0400 Subject: Finally installed (Gentoo) linux on Dell Inspiron 530 desktop Message-ID: <20070901234521.GA9376@waltdnes.org> I gave up on trying to get the integrated NIC working under linux. I slapped in an el-cheapo no-name PCI NIC with a Via-Rhine chip, and things went swimmingly. I checked dell.com's support knowledgebase. Only the most recent kernels support SATA drives in IDE mode, and it looks like the Gentoo 2007.0-r1 kernel isn't recent enough. After screwing around a bit, I finally found a way to boot the install CD, after which I was able to do the install. ***WARNING*** You will *NOT* be able to boot Windows in the following setup (One... Two... Three... awwwwwwwwwwwwww) - reboot and go into BIOS setup ({F2} key) - go to "integrated peripherals" - change sata mode from IDE to RAID - save and reboot ({F10} key) - go into BIOS setup ({F2} key). Yes again. - comment; if you watch carefully during the boot, you may notice the "AHCI BIOS installed" message. - go into "boot device configuration". It will behave slightly differently thanks to "AHCI BIOS" being installed. - set boot device priority. Note; if you have more than 1 CD/DVD, you need to specify them separately, if you want to be able to boot off both of them. There are only 3 available slots, so I sacrificed the floppy. This left me with the 2 CD/DVD drives and the hard drive as the boot order - save and reboot ({F10} key) Now run the usual install, using the replacement NIC. One thing to note in kernel settings (I use "make menuconfig"). Device Drivers ---> < > ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support ---> <*> Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers ---> <*> AHCI SATA support The 3 items above 1) turn off ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support, which is no longer needed 2) open up the ability to select SATA support 3) supports the AHCI BIOS that is installed in RAID mode I have a working system that boots. I'm now in the middle of copying over directories from my current machine, so the Dell 530 can become my "hot backup" machine. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 1 23:57:01 2007 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 19:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: newby bash script question In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709011554i55cca060qd474ed690b56db24-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0709011554i55cca060qd474ed690b56db24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Sep 2007, Tyler Aviss wrote: > You can actually do a "cd" within a bash script and it will do the > same as if done manually from the command-line, it's not really that > discriminatory as to who is entering input (script or user) in most > cases. > > So in your script, just do > cd B > latex file.tex You're right. That does work. I'm not sure what I was doing wrong before. I feel a bit embarrassed. Thank you! Alex > > The same as you might do from the command-line. Alternately, it might > just be a good idea to hardcode B into a variable or something of the > like: > > NEWDIR=/path/to/B > cd ${NEWDIR} > latex file.tex > > > > On 9/1/07, Alex Maynard wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I'm sorry to be posting you what should be a very simple >> bash script question. Somehow I haven't quite been able to find an answer to this. >> (Probably I am picking bad search words on google.) >> >> It boils down to not being able to cd properly inside a bash script. >> >> What I am trying to is to run a script from directory A >> A$./script >> That would have the same effect as using cd to get to directory >> B and then running a file. Specifically, I would like the script to do >> the command line equivalent of: >> >> A$ cd B >> B$ latex file.tex >> >> which is my case produces different results then >> A$ latex B/file.tex >> >> because the first way latex would look for other files (such as style >> files) in directory B where they should be but the second way it >> will look for them in A instead where it won't find them. >> >> Sorry for posting such a basic question and thanks very much for any >> suggestions you might have. >> >> Alex >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 00:53:20 2007 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:53:20 -0400 Subject: New computer - x64 or x32? Message-ID: <20070902005320.GA14078@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I've got a new computer with a AMD Athlon? 64 X2 Dual-Core chip in it, and I'm wondering if I should put a 64-bit Linux on it, or just stick to a 32-bit system. Pros? Cons? -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 01:00:24 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 21:00:24 -0400 Subject: New computer - x64 or x32? In-Reply-To: <20070902005320.GA14078-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070902005320.GA14078@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <46DA0B28.5060209@utoronto.ca> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I've got a new computer with a AMD Athlon??? 64 X2 Dual-Core chip in it, > and I'm wondering if I should put a 64-bit Linux on it, or just stick to > a 32-bit system. Pros? Cons? How much memory? Anything over 4gb, I wouldn't hesitate to use 64bit, PAE or not. What distribution? What will you use the box for? How much time would you want to spend setting up 32bit flash and java plugins (pretty easy actually). I guess my question is really, why not 64bit? 32 bit flash with nspluginwrapper, and java have a 32 and 64 bit version of their jre/jdk too, the rest should be pretty much the same as your current 32 bit os. And if you're doing any multimedia work the difference is more apparent. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 01:36:34 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:36:34 -0700 Subject: New computer - x64 or x32? In-Reply-To: <20070902005320.GA14078-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070902005320.GA14078@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709011836ha1c49c7yefea83265e846597@mail.gmail.com> As sad as I am to say it, unless you need the extra >4G of RAM, you'll probably be happier with a 32-bit distro on your 64-bit CPU. I've been using a 64-bit debian on my dual-opteron machine, and despite some performance increases in ripping movies, etc, in general the lack of support for some apps under the 64-bit environment is a big pain-in-the-butt. 64bit - Higher memory support - Some speed increase in various instances - Better scalability - May use more memory (some 64-bit binaries) 32bit - Supports more apps, including the adobe flash plugin for firefox, etc - In the event of machine death, you can still boot on a 32-bit CPU Also see here: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=616&num=3 On 9/1/07, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I've got a new computer with a AMD Athlon? 64 X2 Dual-Core chip in it, > and I'm wondering if I should put a 64-bit Linux on it, or just stick to > a 32-bit system. Pros? Cons? > -- > > yours, > > William > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFG2gmAHQtmiuz+KT8RAgV4AJ9YBUfZTz1pX0SbSoYLu97p+OXqYACgtCd3 > b6Pab4MqS2Bio895E/eGTIE= > =9998 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 01:40:02 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:40:02 -0700 Subject: New computer - x64 or x32? In-Reply-To: <46DA0B28.5060209-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20070902005320.GA14078@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46DA0B28.5060209@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709011840m24d82f22kc04ac9d214971ce8@mail.gmail.com> Noticed this comment after my post. I haven't seen the nspluginwrapper solution before, but it looks rather interesting. Thanks for pointing this one out! I guess the only point of conjecture then would be various apps that haven't been ported to the 64-bit world (and those are decreasing every day) and the possibility of 64-bit apps having a bigger memory footprint (depending on how they were coded). On 9/1/07, Jamon Camisso wrote: > William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > > I've got a new computer with a AMD Athlon??? 64 X2 Dual-Core chip in it, > > and I'm wondering if I should put a 64-bit Linux on it, or just stick to > > a 32-bit system. Pros? Cons? > > How much memory? Anything over 4gb, I wouldn't hesitate to use 64bit, > PAE or not. What distribution? What will you use the box for? How much > time would you want to spend setting up 32bit flash and java plugins > (pretty easy actually). > > I guess my question is really, why not 64bit? 32 bit flash with > nspluginwrapper, and java have a 32 and 64 bit version of their jre/jdk > too, the rest should be pretty much the same as your current 32 bit os. > And if you're doing any multimedia work the difference is more apparent. > > Jamon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 02:33:11 2007 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 22:33:11 -0400 Subject: New computer - x64 or x32? In-Reply-To: <46DA0B28.5060209-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20070902005320.GA14078@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46DA0B28.5060209@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20070902023311.GA14357@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 09:00:24PM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >> I've got a new computer with a AMD Athlon??? 64 X2 Dual-Core chip in >> it, >> and I'm wondering if I should put a 64-bit Linux on it, or just stick to >> a 32-bit system. Pros? Cons? > > How much memory? Anything over 4gb, I wouldn't hesitate to use 64bit, PAE > or not. What distribution? What will you use the box for? How much time > would you want to spend setting up 32bit flash and java plugins (pretty > easy actually). This machine is just a home desktop - 1Gb RAM Flash is a must, as is a Citrix client. This machine watches movies, surfs the Internet, plays Wesnoth occasionally. Must run vim :-) Other than that, as long as I can write Python code, it works. I'm running Debian, and I'm content with the nv driver. I want things to just work - it's why I use Linux. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 02:33:53 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 22:33:53 -0400 Subject: New computer - x64 or x32? In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709011836ha1c49c7yefea83265e846597-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070902005320.GA14078@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <3a97ef0709011836ha1c49c7yefea83265e846597@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070902023353.GY11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 06:36:34PM -0700, Tyler Aviss wrote: > As sad as I am to say it, unless you need the extra >4G of RAM, you'll > probably be happier with a 32-bit distro on your 64-bit CPU. I've been > using a 64-bit debian on my dual-opteron machine, and despite some > performance increases in ripping movies, etc, in general the lack of > support for some apps under the 64-bit environment is a big > pain-in-the-butt. > > > 64bit > - Higher memory support > - Some speed increase in various instances > - Better scalability > - May use more memory (some 64-bit binaries) > > 32bit > - Supports more apps, including the adobe flash plugin for firefox, etc > - In the event of machine death, you can still boot on a 32-bit CPU > > > Also see here: > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=616&num=3 Of course you can get the best of both worlds: Install either Debian 32bit and install the amd64 kernel and then setup a 64bit chroot for the apps where 64bit really matter, or install Debian 64bit and setup a 32bit chroot for the few things that don't yet work on 64bit. Using debootstrap to create a chroot is really very simple. You get the best of both worlds that way. Personally I have run the 32bit install with a 64bit chroot for testing and playing in, although I think a 64bit install with a 32bit chroot is more common. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 02:38:48 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 22:38:48 -0400 Subject: New computer - x64 or x32? In-Reply-To: <20070902023311.GA14357-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070902005320.GA14078@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46DA0B28.5060209@utoronto.ca> <20070902023311.GA14357@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20070902023848.GZ11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 10:33:11PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > This machine is just a home desktop - 1Gb RAM > > Flash is a must, as is a Citrix client. This machine watches movies, surfs > the Internet, plays Wesnoth occasionally. Must run vim :-) Other than > that, as long as I can write Python code, it works. Well I wish flash would stop regularly exploding firefox on my 32bit machine. No idea what a citrix client is like. Citrix with the NCD extensions of course is trivial, since it speaks XDMCP and X11. Internet is easy, I suspect wesnoth is fine. Vim is no problem, and neither is python. Watching movies could be a pain depending on the required codecs. > I'm running Debian, and I'm content with the nv driver. I want things > to just work - it's why I use Linux. Well nvidia works just fine under both 32 and 64bit whether you use free or non-free drivers doesn't matter. Personally if I had a 64bit x86 machine at home it would have 64bit Debian with a 32bit chroot for the few stupid things. If my wife ever finishes using her old laptop (and sticks to the new one only), I will have a 2GHz Athlon 64 to play with, in which case I can have a 64bit Debian x86 install. I do have a 64bit Debian install now (as of yesterday), but it is on a 21164 alpha. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 03:40:25 2007 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:40:25 -0400 Subject: New computer - x64 or x32? In-Reply-To: <20070902023311.GA14357-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070902005320.GA14078@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46DA0B28.5060209@utoronto.ca> <20070902023311.GA14357@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <005301c7ed13$00659f90$0105a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> > > This machine is just a home desktop - 1Gb RAM > > Flash is a must, as is a Citrix client. This machine watches movies, > surfs > the Internet, plays Wesnoth occasionally. Must run vim :-) Other than > that, as long as I can write Python code, it works. > > I'm running Debian, and I'm content with the nv driver. I want things > to just work - it's why I use Linux. > -- > > yours, > > William Stick with x86 (32bit). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 11:29:25 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:29:25 -0400 Subject: New computer - x64 or x32? In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709011836ha1c49c7yefea83265e846597-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070902005320.GA14078@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <3a97ef0709011836ha1c49c7yefea83265e846597@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DA9E95.7020100@rogers.com> Tyler Aviss wrote: > As sad as I am to say it, unless you need the extra >4G of RAM, you'll > probably be happier with a 32-bit distro on your 64-bit CPU. I've been > using a 64-bit debian on my dual-opteron machine, and despite some > performance increases in ripping movies, etc, in general the lack of > support for some apps under the 64-bit environment is a big > pain-in-the-butt. I run 64 bit SUSE 10.2 and it runs both 64 & 32 bit apps. For example, I have a 64 bit version of OpenOffice, but I run 32 bit versions of Mozilla & Seamonkey, due to lack of 64 bit pluggins. Of course, a 64 bit version of vi is quite useful. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 15:20:23 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Dino Dominguez) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 10:20:23 -0500 Subject: Best IWC repl1ca w4tches at Prest1ge Repl1cas Message-ID: Did you watch the last 007 flick, Casino Royale? 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 14:40:05 2007 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:40:05 -0400 Subject: New computer - x64 or x32? In-Reply-To: <20070902023311.GA14357-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070902005320.GA14078@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46DA0B28.5060209@utoronto.ca> <20070902023311.GA14357@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200709021040.05627.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Saturday 01 September 2007 22:33:11 William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Flash is a must, as is a Citrix client. If you're using citrix extranet client then check out vpnc. vpnc is open source, no kernel driver/patching (it uses either tun or tap device), works great. If you're using the citrix browser plugin then I guess you're stuck. -- Fraser Campbell Georgetown, Ontario, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 15:37:51 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 11:37:51 -0400 Subject: New computer - x64 or x32? In-Reply-To: <20070902005320.GA14078-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070902005320.GA14078@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <46DAD8CF.9050602@ve3syb.ca> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I've got a new computer with a AMD Athlon? 64 X2 Dual-Core chip in it, > and I'm wondering if I should put a 64-bit Linux on it, or just stick to > a 32-bit system. Pros? Cons? At the present time it is difficult to almost impossible to use a 64-bit OS and keep it clean of 32-bit files. The level of difficulty depends on what applications you use. You can install the 64-bit OS and most things will be fine but some applications will result in you pulling in a buch of 32-bit stuff in order to do some other common things. My day to day OS is 32-bit. I also have a 64-bit OS installed in another partition that has no 32-bit files in it at all. In the 64-bit OS I can't run Opera, 32-bit plug-ins for Firefox (such as the flashplayer), or Adobe Acrobat Reader. There is also a fourth application I can't run that is not available in 64-bit but I can't remember what it is. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 17:20:25 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:20:25 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <4697E5D1.4020807-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: Sorry, I'm top-posting to make an apology and explanation for reviving this thread. I lost the responses I got to this post. I did a clean install (fedora) to give me the kernel and alsa versions I need for a semi-pro sound card. The backup I had to re-construct my mail (which was an adventure)from was old as we moved and I accumulated a lot of email before I got the backup machine set up again. 'nuff said. I did buy (and physically install) the EMU 1212 M PCI sound card. I have eight business days now to get this working under linux (I've been drywalling my home recording studio) before I send it back (30-day return) to L&McQ. It's being detected as the Creative Labs SB Audigy, but no sound comes out of it. The first thing I had to wrap my mind around was that it has no 'spkr' output. I assume the 1/4" OUTs are what go the speakers. Someone on this list (Lennart?) explained to me (IIRC) that I can't just "trivially" (meaning, I guess, that it /looks/ connected but it ain't done /right)/ hook up the sound card OUT to speakers - they must be balanced (TRS) 1/4" ends. I understand now that "stereo", "balanced" and "TRS" (tip, ring, sleeve) are synonymous. So, I have a 1/4" male -to-1/8" female adaptor from the sound card to the TRS 1/8" male that goes to the PC speakers. Still no sound. The speakers do work as I can get sound from the onboard card (which I thought I disabled in the BIOS, but just seems to be only a tab selection away from testing in the GUI System>Administration>Soundcard Detection). I will test the 1/4" male -to-1/8" female adaptor (that I have in the soundcard) to make sure it works. I'll go to alsa-projects.org again to see how to get the card working under linux. There also is a good hacker working in the local Krazy Krazy who might take this on. So, I need to do all I can quickly, so I can it to him, see what he can do, and still have time to get it back to L&McQ by Sept 17. Suggestions would be welcome. Chris > I am upgrading my home recording studio. > > I need a linux-friendly PCI sound card with co-axial S/PDIF input that > will work in a PIII 733 MHz machine. > > Background: Unless I get better advice, I am going to get Focusrite's > Trakmaster Pro microphone preamplifier/compressor and their Platinum > Pro ADC add-on. I'll get these from Long & McQuade in Toronto. What > L&McQ can't help me with is a linux-friendly PCI sound card (for my > PIII 733 MHz processor PC) that has a digital in (co-axial S/PDIF). My > PC currently has the SoundBlaster Live 5.1 which does not have digital > in (let alone co-axial S/PDIF). > > Any ideas? > > Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 19:54:24 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:54:24 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DAF0D9.4000508-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> does this card have a toslink fiber optics output? go into alsamixer make sure the needed volume leves are above 0, sometime they start at 0 by default, and there is Master, PCM, etc i have had issues with sound cards, like: 1) had to run yast and reinstall it via yast every reboot so it worked (but since machine stays up 24/7 this wasnt a issue), 2) had to switch to another method other then ALAS to get working. 3) had to install new alsa, if the card is "detected" by linux, and in alsa's compat. charts it gives it reference of basic workability, it 99.999% likel to work. check your dmesg and /var/log/messages for issues around module load. maybe you have a irq issue, but i havnt seen those in ages. You might want to try a live ubuntu fiesty CD or knoppix, see if one of those gets it to breath, then perhaps not the inserted modules that it loaded to make it work. Yeah, this is a good and easy next step! -tl On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 13:20 -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > > Sorry, I'm top-posting to make an apology and explanation for reviving > this thread. I lost the responses I got to this post. I did a clean > install (fedora) to give me the kernel and alsa versions I need for a > semi-pro sound card. The backup I had to re-construct my mail (which was > an adventure)from was old as we moved and I accumulated a lot of email > before I got the backup machine set up again. 'nuff said. > > I did buy (and physically install) the EMU 1212 M PCI sound card. I have > eight business days now to get this working under linux (I've been > drywalling my home recording studio) before I send it back (30-day > return) to L&McQ. > > It's being detected as the Creative Labs SB Audigy, but no sound comes > out of it. The first thing I had to wrap my mind around was that it has > no 'spkr' output. I assume the 1/4" OUTs are what go the speakers. > Someone on this list (Lennart?) explained to me (IIRC) that I can't just > "trivially" (meaning, I guess, that it /looks/ connected but it ain't > done /right)/ hook up the sound card OUT to speakers - they must be > balanced (TRS) 1/4" ends. I understand now that "stereo", "balanced" and > "TRS" (tip, ring, sleeve) are synonymous. So, I have a 1/4" male > -to-1/8" female adaptor from the sound card to the TRS 1/8" male that > goes to the PC speakers. Still no sound. The speakers do work as I can > get sound from the onboard card (which I thought I disabled in the BIOS, > but just seems to be only a tab selection away from testing in the GUI > System>Administration>Soundcard Detection). > > I will test the 1/4" male -to-1/8" female adaptor (that I have in the > soundcard) to make sure it works. I'll go to alsa-projects.org again to > see how to get the card working under linux. There also is a good hacker > working in the local Krazy Krazy who might take this on. So, I need to > do all I can quickly, so I can it to him, see what he can do, and still > have time to get it back to L&McQ by Sept 17. > > Suggestions would be welcome. > > Chris > > > > I am upgrading my home recording studio. > > > > I need a linux-friendly PCI sound card with co-axial S/PDIF input that > > will work in a PIII 733 MHz machine. > > > > Background: Unless I get better advice, I am going to get Focusrite's > > Trakmaster Pro microphone preamplifier/compressor and their Platinum > > Pro ADC add-on. I'll get these from Long & McQuade in Toronto. What > > L&McQ can't help me with is a linux-friendly PCI sound card (for my > > PIII 733 MHz processor PC) that has a digital in (co-axial S/PDIF). My > > PC currently has the SoundBlaster Live 5.1 which does not have digital > > in (let alone co-axial S/PDIF). > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 20:05:31 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 20:05:31 +0000 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <4697E5D1.4020807-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709021305n386caa23wc63ede1dafb7db7@mail.gmail.com> I also have an SBLive Card but /w the frontal LiveDrive port, which adds extra connectors/controls including RCA, and Optical. As I don't have anything optical/digital to plug into, I can't test the functionality, but have you considered checking for a cheap LiveDrive module on ebay or whatever? Chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org> wrote: > I am upgrading my home recording studio. > > I need a linux-friendly PCI sound card with co-axial S/PDIF input that > will work in a PIII 733 MHz machine. > > Background: Unless I get better advice, I am going to get Focusrite's > Trakmaster Pro microphone preamplifier/compressor and their Platinum Pro > ADC add-on. I'll get these from Long & McQuade in Toronto. What L&McQ > can't help me with is a linux-friendly PCI sound card (for my PIII 733 > MHz processor PC) that has a digital in (co-axial S/PDIF). My PC > currently has the SoundBlaster Live 5.1 which does not have digital in > (let alone co-axial S/PDIF). > > Any ideas? > > Chris > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 20:12:14 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:12:14 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <1188762864.4900.236.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <46DB191E.3000905@chrisaitken.net> tleslie wrote: > does this card have a toslink fiber optics output? > go into alsamixer I can't open alsamixer: ! alsamixer: function snd_ctl-open failed for default: no such file or directory Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 20:24:18 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:24:18 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <1188762864.4900.236.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <46DB1BF2.5020504@chrisaitken.net> tleslie wrote: > does this card have a toslink fiber optics output? > I guess not.. unless one of the following is another name for tos link... *I/O Configuration:* * Two 1/4" Balanced Inputs * 24-bit/192kHz ADAT In/Out (switchable to S/PDIF) * 24-bit/96kHz S/PDIF In/Out (switchable to AES/EBU) * MIDI In/Out ** *Analog Line Inputs* * Type: servo-balanced, DC-coupled, low-noise input circuitry * Level (software selectable): - Professional: +4dBu nominal, 20dBu maximum (balanced) - Consumer: -10dBV nominal, 6dBV maximum (unbalanced) * Frequency Response: +/- .05dB, 20Hz - 22kHz * THD+N (1kHz signal at -1dBFS): -110dB * SNR (1kHz signal at -1dBFS): 120.7dB, A-weighted * Dynamic Range: 121dB, A-weighted * Channel Crosstalk: < -125dB, 1kHz signal at -1dBFS *Analog Line Outputs* * Type: balanced, low-noise, 2-pole low-pass differential filter Level (software selectable): - Professional: +4dBu nominal, 20dBu maximum (balanced) - Consumer: -10dBV nominal, 6dBV maximum (unbalanced) * Frequency Response: 0.0/-.35dB, 20Hz - 20kHz * THD+N (1kHz signal at -1dBFS): -105dB * SNR (1kHz signal at -1dBFS): 120dB, A-weighted * Dynamic Range: 120dB, A-weighted * Channel Crosstalk: < -120dB, 1kHz signal at -1dBFS *Digital I/O* * *S/PDIF:* - 2 in/2 out coaxial (transformer coupled) - AES/EBU or S/PDIF format, switchable under software control * *ADAT: * - 8 channels, 24-bit @ 44.1/48kHz - 4 channels, 24-bit @ 96kHz (S-MUX compatible) - 2 channels, 24-bit @ 192kHz * *Firewire: * - 400 Mbps 1394a port (6-pin) - Compatible with DV cameras, storage peripherals, etc. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 20:30:59 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:30:59 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <1188762864.4900.236.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <46DB1D83.3020806@chrisaitken.net> tleslie wrote: > does this card have a toslink fiber optics output? > go into alsamixer make sure the needed volume leves are above 0, > sometime they start at 0 by default, and there is Master, PCM, etc > > i have had issues with sound cards, like: > 1) had to run yast and reinstall it via yast every reboot so it worked > (but since machine stays up 24/7 this wasnt a issue), > 2) had to switch to another method other then ALAS to get working. > 3) had to install new alsa, > > if the card is "detected" by linux, and in alsa's compat. charts it > gives it reference of basic workability, it 99.999% likel to work. > Alsa-project.org gives hope: E-MU 1212m CA0102, FPGA Details [PCI] [ANALOGio] [RCAio] [TOSio] [ADATio] Support arriving in 1.0.14 Is there an easy way to figure out what alsa version I have? 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URL: From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 20:45:54 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:45:54 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <1188762864.4900.236.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <46DB2102.1000707@chrisaitken.net> tleslie wrote: > does this card have a toslink fiber optics output? > go into alsamixer make sure the needed volume leves are above 0, > sometime they start at 0 by default, and there is Master, PCM, etc > > i have had issues with sound cards, like: > 1) had to run yast and reinstall it via yast every reboot so it worked > (but since machine stays up 24/7 this wasnt a issue), > 2) had to switch to another method other then ALAS to get working. > 3) had to install new alsa, > > if the card is "detected" by linux, and in alsa's compat. charts it > gives it reference of basic workability, it 99.999% likel to work. > > check your dmesg [chris at p733 ~]$ dmesg Linux version 2.6.22.4-65.fc7 (kojibuilder-fbpyxXtnJUxHcw7WmXvZTaw4yJhunYrG28t4la5Gatg at public.gmane.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20070502 (Red Hat 4.1.2-12)) #1 SMP Tue Aug 21 22:36:56 EDT 2007 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000000e0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 0000000017ed0000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 0000000017ed0000 - 0000000017ef0000 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: 0000000017ef0000 - 0000000017f00000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 00000000feea0000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) 0MB HIGHMEM available. 383MB LOWMEM available. found SMP MP-table at 000f9bc0 Using x86 segment limits to approximate NX protection Entering add_active_range(0, 0, 98048) 0 entries of 256 used Zone PFN ranges: DMA 0 -> 4096 Normal 4096 -> 98048 HighMem 98048 -> 98048 early_node_map[1] active PFN ranges 0: 0 -> 98048 On node 0 totalpages: 98048 DMA zone: 32 pages used for memmap DMA zone: 0 pages reserved DMA zone: 4064 pages, LIFO batch:0 Normal zone: 734 pages used for memmap Normal zone: 93218 pages, LIFO batch:31 HighMem zone: 0 pages used for memmap DMI 2.3 present. Using APIC driver default ACPI: RSDP 000E0010, 0014 (r0 COMPAQ) ACPI: RSDT 000E0080, 0054 (r1 COMPAQ CPQ0005 20000618 0) ACPI: FACP 000E00F0, 0074 (r1 COMPAQ SOLANO 1 0) ACPI: DSDT 000E01C4, 1077 (r1 COMPAQ DSDT 1 MSFT 100000D) ACPI: FACS 000E0040, 0040 ACPI: SSDT 000E123B, 00CA (r1 COMPAQ CORE_UTL 1 MSFT 100000D) ACPI: SSDT 000E1305, 0E81 (r1 COMPAQ VILLTBL1 1 MSFT 100000D) ACPI: APIC 000E0164, 0060 (r1 COMPAQ SOLANO 1 0) ACPI: SSDT 000E2186, 06AD (r1 COMPAQ PNP_PRSS 1 MSFT 100000D) ACPI: SSDT 000E289E, 018D (r1 COMPAQ S3 1 MSFT 100000D) ACPI: SSDT 000E3083, 00AF (r1 COMPAQ PME 1 MSFT 100000D) ACPI: SSDT 000E2A2B, 0132 (r1 COMPAQ PIDETM 1 MSFT 100000D) ACPI: SSDT 000E2C8F, 00FD (r1 COMPAQ GTF0 1 MSFT 100000D) ACPI: SSDT 000E2D8C, 00FD (r1 COMPAQ GTF1 1 MSFT 100000D) ACPI: SSDT 000E2B5D, 0132 (r1 COMPAQ SIDETM 1 MSFT 100000D) ACPI: SSDT 000E2F86, 00FD (r1 COMPAQ GTF3 1 MSFT 100000D) ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0xf808 ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee00000 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x01] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) Processor #0 6:8 APIC version 17 ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x01] high edge lint[0x1]) ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x02] high edge lint[0x1]) ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x08] address[0xfec00000] gsi_base[0]) IOAPIC[0]: apic_id 8, version 32, address 0xfec00000, GSI 0-23 ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 0 global_irq 2 dfl dfl) ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 9 global_irq 9 high level) ACPI: IRQ0 used by override. ACPI: IRQ2 used by override. ACPI: IRQ9 used by override. Enabling APIC mode: Flat. Using 1 I/O APICs Using ACPI (MADT) for SMP configuration information Allocating PCI resources starting at 20000000 (gap: 17f00000:e6fa0000) Built 1 zonelists. Total pages: 97282 Kernel command line: ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet mapped APIC to ffffd000 (fee00000) mapped IOAPIC to ffffc000 (fec00000) Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Initializing CPU#0 CPU 0 irqstacks, hard=c0791000 soft=c0771000 PID hash table entries: 2048 (order: 11, 8192 bytes) Detected 730.917 MHz processor. Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Dentry cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Inode-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) Memory: 379984k/392192k available (2106k kernel code, 11344k reserved, 1114k data, 260k init, 0k highmem) virtual kernel memory layout: fixmap : 0xffc56000 - 0xfffff000 (3748 kB) pkmap : 0xff800000 - 0xffc00000 (4096 kB) vmalloc : 0xd8800000 - 0xff7fe000 ( 623 MB) lowmem : 0xc0000000 - 0xd7f00000 ( 383 MB) .init : 0xc072b000 - 0xc076c000 ( 260 kB) .data : 0xc060ea2e - 0xc0725504 (1114 kB) .text : 0xc0400000 - 0xc060ea2e (2106 kB) Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode... Ok. SLUB: Genslabs=22, HWalign=32, Order=0-1, MinObjects=4, CPUs=1, Nodes=1 Calibrating delay using timer specific routine.. 1462.62 BogoMIPS (lpj=731311) Security Framework v1.0.0 initialized SELinux: Initializing. SELinux: Starting in permissive mode selinux_register_security: Registering secondary module capability Capability LSM initialized as secondary Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K CPU: L2 cache: 256K CPU: After all inits, caps: 0383f3ff 00000000 00000000 00000040 00000000 00000000 00000000 Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. Compat vDSO mapped to ffffe000. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. SMP alternatives: switching to UP code Freeing SMP alternatives: 14k freed ACPI: Core revision 20070126 CPU0: Intel Pentium III (Coppermine) stepping 03 Total of 1 processors activated (1462.62 BogoMIPS). ENABLING IO-APIC IRQs ..TIMER: vector=0x31 apic1=0 pin1=2 apic2=-1 pin2=-1 Brought up 1 CPUs sizeof(vma)=84 bytes sizeof(page)=32 bytes sizeof(inode)=336 bytes sizeof(dentry)=132 bytes sizeof(ext3inode)=488 bytes sizeof(buffer_head)=56 bytes sizeof(skbuff)=176 bytes sizeof(task_struct)=1536 bytes Time: 16:06:14 Date: 08/02/107 NET: Registered protocol family 16 ACPI: bus type pci registered PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xe838d, last bus=2 PCI: Using configuration type 1 Setting up standard PCI resources ACPI: Interpreter enabled ACPI: (supports S0 S1 S3 S4 S5) ACPI: Using IOAPIC for interrupt routing ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (0000:00) PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) PCI quirk: region f800-f87f claimed by ICH4 ACPI/GPIO/TCO PCI quirk: region fa00-fa3f claimed by ICH4 GPIO PCI: Firmware left 0000:02:08.0 e100 interrupts enabled, disabling PCI: Transparent bridge - 0000:00:1e.0 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.HUB_._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 *5 6 7 10 11) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 *10 11) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11) *0, disabled. ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11) *0, disabled. ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] (IRQs 3 4 *5 6 7 10 11) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 *10 11) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 *11) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 *11) Linux Plug and Play Support v0.97 (c) Adam Belay pnp: PnP ACPI init ACPI: bus type pnp registered pnp: PnP ACPI: found 16 devices ACPI: ACPI bus type pnp unregistered usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs usbcore: registered new interface driver hub usbcore: registered new device driver usb PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing PCI: If a device doesn't work, try "pci=routeirq". If it helps, post a report NetLabel: Initializing NetLabel: domain hash size = 128 NetLabel: protocols = UNLABELED CIPSOv4 NetLabel: unlabeled traffic allowed by default ACPI: RTC can wake from S4 pnp: 00:0d: ioport range 0x4d0-0x4d1 has been reserved pnp: 00:0e: ioport range 0x400-0x41f has been reserved pnp: 00:0e: ioport range 0x420-0x43f has been reserved pnp: 00:0e: ioport range 0x440-0x45f has been reserved pnp: 00:0e: ioport range 0x460-0x47f has been reserved pnp: 00:0e: ioport range 0xf800-0xf81f has been reserved pnp: 00:0e: ioport range 0xf820-0xf83f has been reserved pnp: 00:0e: ioport range 0xf840-0xf85f has been reserved pnp: 00:0e: ioport range 0xf860-0xf87f has been reserved pnp: 00:0f: iomem range 0x0-0x9ffff could not be reserved pnp: 00:0f: iomem range 0xe0000-0xfffff could not be reserved pnp: 00:0f: iomem range 0x100000-0x17efffff could not be reserved pnp: 00:0f: iomem range 0xfff80000-0xffffffff could not be reserved Time: tsc clocksource has been installed. PCI: Bridge: 0000:00:1e.0 IO window: 1000-1fff MEM window: 40000000-404fffff PREFETCH window: disabled. PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1e.0 to 64 NET: Registered protocol family 2 IP route cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 2, 16384 bytes) TCP established hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 196608 bytes) TCP bind hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) TCP: Hash tables configured (established 16384 bind 16384) TCP reno registered checking if image is initramfs... it is Switched to high resolution mode on CPU 0 Freeing initrd memory: 3486k freed apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16ac) apm: overridden by ACPI. audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled) audit(1188749175.405:1): initialized Total HugeTLB memory allocated, 0 VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1 Dquot-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order 0, 4096 bytes) SELinux: Registering netfilter hooks ksign: Installing public key data Loading keyring - Added public key 38B1F6ECF739D0D - User ID: Red Hat, Inc. (Kernel Module GPG key) io scheduler noop registered io scheduler anticipatory registered io scheduler deadline registered io scheduler cfq registered (default) Boot video device is 0000:00:02.0 pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5 ACPI: Processor [CPU0] (supports 8 throttling states) isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... isapnp: No Plug & Play device found Generic RTC Driver v1.07 Non-volatile memory driver v1.2 Linux agpgart interface v0.102 (c) Dave Jones agpgart: Detected an Intel i815 Chipset. agpgart: detected 4MB dedicated video ram. agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0x44000000 Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A serial8250: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A 00:0a: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A 00:0b: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 16384K size 4096 blocksize input: Macintosh mouse button emulation as /class/input/input0 PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:KBD,PNP0f0e:PS2M] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1,12 serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input1 usbcore: registered new interface driver hiddev usbcore: registered new interface driver usbhid drivers/hid/usbhid/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver TCP cubic registered Initializing XFRM netlink socket NET: Registered protocol family 1 NET: Registered protocol family 17 Using IPI No-Shortcut mode Magic number: 7:927:134 hash matches device device:09 drivers/rtc/hctosys.c: unable to open rtc device (rtc0) Freeing unused kernel memory: 260k freed Write protecting the kernel read-only data: 862k USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v3.0 ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.4[C] -> GSI 23 (level, low) -> IRQ 16 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.4 to 64 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1f.4: UHCI Host Controller uhci_hcd 0000:00:1f.4: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1f.4: irq 16, io base 0x00002440 usb usb1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 1-0:1.0: 2 ports detected input: PS2++ Logitech Wheel Mouse as /class/input/input2 ohci_hcd: 2006 August 04 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver SCSI subsystem initialized usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 libata version 2.21 loaded. ata_piix 0000:00:1f.1: version 2.11 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.1 to 64 scsi0 : ata_piix scsi1 : ata_piix ata1: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x000101f0 ctl 0x000103f6 bmdma 0x00012460 irq 14 ata2: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x00010170 ctl 0x00010376 bmdma 0x00012468 irq 15 usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice ata1.00: ATA-5: QUANTUM FIREBALLP AS20.5, A1Y.1500, max UDMA/100 ata1.00: 40132503 sectors, multi 16: LBA ata1.01: ATA-4: WDC WD100BA, 16.13M16, max UDMA/66 ata1.01: 19541088 sectors, multi 16: LBA ata1.00: limited to UDMA/33 due to 40-wire cable ata1.01: limited to UDMA/33 due to 40-wire cable ata1.00: configured for UDMA/33 ata1.01: configured for UDMA/33 ata2.01: ATAPI: HL-DT-STDVD-RAM GSA-H54N, 1.00, max UDMA/66 ata2.01: limited to UDMA/33 due to 40-wire cable ata2.01: configured for UDMA/33 scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA QUANTUM FIREBALL A1Y. PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 40132503 512-byte hardware sectors (20548 MB) sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 40132503 512-byte hardware sectors (20548 MB) sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk scsi 0:0:1:0: Direct-Access ATA WDC WD100BA 16.1 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] 19541088 512-byte hardware sectors (10005 MB) sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] 19541088 512-byte hardware sectors (10005 MB) sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA sdb: sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk scsi 1:0:1:0: CD-ROM HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-H54N 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 device-mapper: ioctl: 4.11.0-ioctl (2006-10-12) initialised: dm-devel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. security: 3 users, 6 roles, 1832 types, 81 bools, 1 sens, 1024 cats security: 61 classes, 68707 rules SELinux: Completing initialization. SELinux: Setting up existing superblocks. SELinux: initialized (dev dm-0, type ext3), uses xattr SELinux: initialized (dev usbfs, type usbfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev tmpfs, type tmpfs), uses transition SIDs SELinux: initialized (dev debugfs, type debugfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev selinuxfs, type selinuxfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev mqueue, type mqueue), uses transition SIDs SELinux: initialized (dev hugetlbfs, type hugetlbfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev devpts, type devpts), uses transition SIDs SELinux: initialized (dev inotifyfs, type inotifyfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev tmpfs, type tmpfs), uses transition SIDs SELinux: initialized (dev futexfs, type futexfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev anon_inodefs, type anon_inodefs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev pipefs, type pipefs), uses task SIDs SELinux: initialized (dev sockfs, type sockfs), uses task SIDs SELinux: initialized (dev cpuset, type cpuset), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev proc, type proc), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev bdev, type bdev), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev rootfs, type rootfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev sysfs, type sysfs), uses genfs_contexts audit(1188749181.630:2): policy loaded auid=4294967295 sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0 sd 0:0:1:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0 scsi 1:0:1:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 5 sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 sr 1:0:1:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 iTCO_vendor_support: vendor-support=0 iTCO_wdt: Intel TCO WatchDog Timer Driver v1.01 (21-Jan-2007) iTCO_wdt: Found a ICH2 TCO device (Version=1, TCOBASE=0xf860) iTCO_wdt: initialized. heartbeat=30 sec (nowayout=0) rtc_cmos 00:03: rtc core: registered rtc_cmos as rtc0 rtc0: alarms up to one month, y3k Intel 82802 RNG detected drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 2 if 1 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x4811 usbcore: registered new interface driver usblp drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: v0.13: USB Printer Device Class driver Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage USB Mass Storage support registered. usb-storage: device found at 2 usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning parport_pc 00:09: reported by Plug and Play ACPI parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778), irq 7 [PCSPP,TRISTATE] i810_smbus 0000:00:02.0: i810/i815 i2c device found. e100: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver, 3.5.17-k4-NAPI e100: Copyright(c) 1999-2006 Intel Corporation ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:08.0[A] -> GSI 20 (level, low) -> IRQ 17 e100: eth0: e100_probe: addr 0x40100000, irq 17, MAC addr 00:50:8B:D8:76:CD ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:0a.2[B] -> GSI 22 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 firewire_ohci: Added fw-ohci device 0000:02:0a.2, OHCI version 1.10 ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:0a.0[A] -> GSI 21 (level, low) -> IRQ 19 emu1010: Special config. emu1010: EMU_HANA_ID=0x7f firmware: emu/hana.fw not found. Err=-2 emu1010: Loading Hana Firmware file emu/hana.fw failed ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:02:0a.0 disabled EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:02:0a.0 failed with error -2 firewire_core: created new fw device fw0 (0 config rom retries) ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.5[B] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 20 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.5 to 64 intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 50901 usecs intel8x0: clocking to 41149 SELinux: initialized (dev ramfs, type ramfs), uses genfs_contexts NET: Registered protocol family 10 lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions Mobile IPv6 usb-storage: device scan complete scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access HP PSC 1610 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 sd 2:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0 ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:02.0[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 21 No dock devices found. input: Power Button (FF) as /class/input/input3 ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF] input: Power Button (CM) as /class/input/input4 ACPI: Power Button (CM) [PBTN] device-mapper: multipath: version 1.0.5 loaded EXT3 FS on dm-0, internal journal kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3 FS on sda2, internal journal EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. SELinux: initialized (dev sda2, type ext3), uses xattr SELinux: initialized (dev tmpfs, type tmpfs), uses transition SIDs Adding 786424k swap on /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:786424k SELinux: initialized (dev binfmt_misc, type binfmt_misc), uses genfs_contexts IA-32 Microcode Update Driver: v1.14a ip6_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team Netfilter messages via NETLINK v0.30. nf_conntrack version 0.5.0 (3064 buckets, 24512 max) audit(1188763617.154:3): audit_pid=1444 old=0 by auid=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:auditd_t:s0 SELinux: initialized (dev rpc_pipefs, type rpc_pipefs), uses genfs_contexts Bluetooth: Core ver 2.11 NET: Registered protocol family 31 Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.8 Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.8 Bluetooth: HIDP (Human Interface Emulation) ver 1.2 SELinux: initialized (dev autofs, type autofs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev autofs, type autofs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev autofs, type autofs), uses genfs_contexts e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven). lp0: console ready eth0: no IPv6 routers present [chris at p733 ~]$ dmesg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 20:47:00 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:47:00 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <1188762864.4900.236.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <46DB2144.9050900@chrisaitken.net> tleslie wrote: > does this card have a toslink fiber optics output? > go into alsamixer make sure the needed volume leves are above 0, > sometime they start at 0 by default, and there is Master, PCM, etc > > i have had issues with sound cards, like: > 1) had to run yast and reinstall it via yast every reboot so it worked > (but since machine stays up 24/7 this wasnt a issue), > 2) had to switch to another method other then ALAS to get working. > 3) had to install new alsa, > > if the card is "detected" by linux, and in alsa's compat. charts it > gives it reference of basic workability, it 99.999% likel to work. > > check your dmesg I guess the EMU stuff from dmesg doesn't look great: emu1010: Special config. emu1010: EMU_HANA_ID=0x7f firmware: emu/hana.fw not found. Err=-2 emu1010: Loading Hana Firmware file emu/hana.fw failed ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:02:0a.0 disabled EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:02:0a.0 failed with error -2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 20:50:02 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:50:02 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <1188762864.4900.236.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <46DB21FA.4080606@chrisaitken.net> tleslie wrote: > does this card have a toslink fiber optics output? > go into alsamixer make sure the needed volume leves are above 0, > sometime they start at 0 by default, and there is Master, PCM, etc > > i have had issues with sound cards, like: > 1) had to run yast and reinstall it via yast every reboot so it worked > (but since machine stays up 24/7 this wasnt a issue), > 2) had to switch to another method other then ALAS to get working. > 3) had to install new alsa, > > if the card is "detected" by linux, and in alsa's compat. charts it > gives it reference of basic workability, it 99.999% likel to work. > > check your dmesg and /var/log/messages for issues around module load. > cat /var/log/messages has stuff that looks lie dmesg, but here's the emu stuff from cat /var/log/messages: Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: emu1010: Special config. Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: emu1010: EMU_HANA_ID=0x7f Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: firmware: emu/hana.fw not found. Err=-2 Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: emu1010: Loading Hana Firmware file emu/hana.fw failed Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:02:0a.0 disabled Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:02:0a.0 failed with error -2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 20:51:46 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:51:46 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <1188762864.4900.236.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <46DB2262.1050803@chrisaitken.net> tleslie wrote: > does this card have a toslink fiber optics output? > go into alsamixer make sure the needed volume leves are above 0, > sometime they start at 0 by default, and there is Master, PCM, etc > > i have had issues with sound cards, like: > 1) had to run yast and reinstall it via yast every reboot so it worked > (but since machine stays up 24/7 this wasnt a issue), > 2) had to switch to another method other then ALAS to get working. > 3) had to install new alsa, > > if the card is "detected" by linux, and in alsa's compat. charts it > gives it reference of basic workability, it 99.999% likel to work. > > check your dmesg and /var/log/messages for issues around module load. > > maybe you have a irq issue, but i havnt seen those in ages. > What's the easiest way to check that. Should I go in to the BIOS or are some IRQs set after the BIOS (i.e. should I boot to the OS then check?)? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 20:55:57 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 20:55:57 +0000 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DB21FA.4080606-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> <46DB21FA.4080606@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709021355m6153d1camf4d114597dafd6ed@mail.gmail.com> How about the output from "lspci" or "cat /proc/pci" On my SBLive, which is non-audigy, I use the emu10k1 driver, so I'm not sure about the differences between the two cards. On 9/2/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > tleslie wrote: > > does this card have a toslink fiber optics output? > > go into alsamixer make sure the needed volume leves are above 0, > > sometime they start at 0 by default, and there is Master, PCM, etc > > > > i have had issues with sound cards, like: > > 1) had to run yast and reinstall it via yast every reboot so it worked > > (but since machine stays up 24/7 this wasnt a issue), > > 2) had to switch to another method other then ALAS to get working. > > 3) had to install new alsa, > > > > if the card is "detected" by linux, and in alsa's compat. charts it > > gives it reference of basic workability, it 99.999% likel to work. > > > > check your dmesg and /var/log/messages for issues around module load. > > > cat /var/log/messages has stuff that looks lie dmesg, but here's the emu > stuff from cat /var/log/messages: > > Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: emu1010: Special config. > Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: emu1010: EMU_HANA_ID=0x7f > Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: firmware: emu/hana.fw not found. Err=-2 > Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: emu1010: Loading Hana Firmware file > emu/hana.fw failed > Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:02:0a.0 > disabled > Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:02:0a.0 > failed with error -2 > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 20:58:01 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 20:58:01 +0000 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DB2262.1050803-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> <46DB2262.1050803@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709021358o7cbe84d6m6008396df15d86b4@mail.gmail.com> Are there ISA devices in this system? Shouldn't run into IRQ issues when you're with just PCI, but sometimes if you have an older board with - say - an ISA modem or whatnot it may conflict To get detailed info on your PCI devices (including IRQ's): lspci -vv On 9/2/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > tleslie wrote: > > does this card have a toslink fiber optics output? > > go into alsamixer make sure the needed volume leves are above 0, > > sometime they start at 0 by default, and there is Master, PCM, etc > > > > i have had issues with sound cards, like: > > 1) had to run yast and reinstall it via yast every reboot so it worked > > (but since machine stays up 24/7 this wasnt a issue), > > 2) had to switch to another method other then ALAS to get working. > > 3) had to install new alsa, > > > > if the card is "detected" by linux, and in alsa's compat. charts it > > gives it reference of basic workability, it 99.999% likel to work. > > > > check your dmesg and /var/log/messages for issues around module load. > > > > maybe you have a irq issue, but i havnt seen those in ages. > > > What's the easiest way to check that. Should I go in to the BIOS or are > some IRQs set after the BIOS (i.e. should I boot to the OS then check?)? > > Chris > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 2 21:39:16 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:39:16 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DB21FA.4080606-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> <46DB21FA.4080606@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46DB2D84.1050208@utoronto.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > tleslie wrote: >> does this card have a toslink fiber optics output? >> go into alsamixer make sure the needed volume leves are above 0, >> sometime they start at 0 by default, and there is Master, PCM, etc >> >> i have had issues with sound cards, like: >> 1) had to run yast and reinstall it via yast every reboot so it worked >> (but since machine stays up 24/7 this wasnt a issue), >> 2) had to switch to another method other then ALAS to get working. >> 3) had to install new alsa, >> >> if the card is "detected" by linux, and in alsa's compat. charts it >> gives it reference of basic workability, it 99.999% likel to work. >> >> check your dmesg and /var/log/messages for issues around module load. >> > cat /var/log/messages has stuff that looks lie dmesg, but here's the emu > stuff from cat /var/log/messages: > > Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: emu1010: Special config. > Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: emu1010: EMU_HANA_ID=0x7f > Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: firmware: emu/hana.fw not found. Err=-2 > Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: emu1010: Loading Hana Firmware file > emu/hana.fw failed > Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:02:0a.0 > disabled > Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:02:0a.0 > failed with error -2 Try http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/17/dept/3/idg/System_Tools, specifically (choose depending on your architecture): alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma.i386.rpm alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma.x86_64.rpm That'll get you a step close with hana.fw, it should just end up in /lib/firmware if you install the rpm vs. extracting the file. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 00:38:28 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:38:28 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709021355m6153d1camf4d114597dafd6ed-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> <46DB21FA.4080606@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709021355m6153d1camf4d114597dafd6ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DB5784.8050008@chrisaitken.net> Tyler Aviss wrote: > How about the output from "lspci" [chris at p733 ~]$ /sbin/lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82815 815 Chipset Host Bridge and Memory Controller Hub (rev 02) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82815 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 02) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 01) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801BA ISA Bridge (LPC) (rev 01) 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801BA IDE U100 Controller (rev 01) 00:1f.4 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM USB Controller #1 (rev 01) 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) 02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM/CA/CAM Ethernet Controller (rev 01) 02:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03) 02:0a.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Creative Labs SB Audigy FireWire Port (rev 01) [chris at p733 ~]$ > or "cat /proc/pci" > [chris at p733 ~]$ locate /proc/pci [chris at p733 ~]$ find /proc/pci find: /proc/pci: No such file or directory [chris at p733 ~]$ find -name /proc/pci find: warning: Unix filenames usually don't contain slashes (though pathnames do). That means that '-name /proc/pci' will probably evaluate to false all the time on this system. You might find the '-wholename' test more useful, or perhaps '-samefile'. Alternatively, if you are using GNU grep, you could use 'find ... -print0 | grep -FzZ /proc/pci'. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 00:42:08 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:42:08 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709021358o7cbe84d6m6008396df15d86b4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> <46DB2262.1050803@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709021358o7cbe84d6m6008396df15d86b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DB5860.1050206@chrisaitken.net> Tyler Aviss wrote: > Are there ISA devices in this system? No - only PCI slots. In fact, the EMU 1212 M is the only installed card - everything else is onboard. > Shouldn't run into IRQ issues > when you're with just PCI, but sometimes if you have an older board > with - say - an ISA modem or whatnot it may conflict > > To get detailed info on your PCI devices (including IRQ's): > lspci -vv > [chris at p733 ~]$ /sbin/lspci -vv 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82815 815 Chipset Host Bridge and Memory Controller Hub (rev 02) Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR- 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82815 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) Subsystem: Compaq Computer Corporation Unknown device 0019 Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- Reset- FastB2B- 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801BA ISA Bridge (LPC) (rev 01) Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle+ MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- 02:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03) Subsystem: Creative Labs E-MU 1010 Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- 02:0a.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Creative Labs SB Audigy FireWire Port (rev 01) (prog-if 10 [OHCI]) Subsystem: Creative Labs SB Audigy FireWire Port Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- [chris at p733 ~]$ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 00:45:22 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:45:22 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DB2D84.1050208-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> <46DB21FA.4080606@chrisaitken.net> <46DB2D84.1050208@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <46DB5922.4040206@chrisaitken.net> Jamon Camisso wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: >> tleslie wrote: >>> does this card have a toslink fiber optics output? >>> go into alsamixer make sure the needed volume leves are above 0, >>> sometime they start at 0 by default, and there is Master, PCM, etc >>> >>> i have had issues with sound cards, like: >>> 1) had to run yast and reinstall it via yast every reboot so it worked >>> (but since machine stays up 24/7 this wasnt a issue), >>> 2) had to switch to another method other then ALAS to get working. >>> 3) had to install new alsa, >>> >>> if the card is "detected" by linux, and in alsa's compat. charts it >>> gives it reference of basic workability, it 99.999% likel to work. >>> >>> check your dmesg and /var/log/messages for issues around module load. >>> >> cat /var/log/messages has stuff that looks lie dmesg, but here's the >> emu stuff from cat /var/log/messages: >> >> Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: emu1010: Special config. >> Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: emu1010: EMU_HANA_ID=0x7f >> Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: firmware: emu/hana.fw not found. Err=-2 >> Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: emu1010: Loading Hana Firmware file >> emu/hana.fw failed >> Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt for device >> 0000:02:0a.0 disabled >> Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:02:0a.0 >> failed with error -2 > > Try http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/17/dept/3/idg/System_Tools, > specifically (choose depending on your architecture): > > alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma.i386.rpm > alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma.x86_64.rpm Yeah, I guess I'll need that: [chris at p733 ~]$ rpm -q alsa-firmware package alsa-firmware is not installed [chris at p733 ~]$ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 01:11:33 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 21:11:33 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DB2D84.1050208-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> <46DB21FA.4080606@chrisaitken.net> <46DB2D84.1050208@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <46DB5F45.7020607@chrisaitken.net> Jamon Camisso wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: >> tleslie wrote: >>> does this card have a toslink fiber optics output? >>> go into alsamixer make sure the needed volume leves are above 0, >>> sometime they start at 0 by default, and there is Master, PCM, etc >>> >>> i have had issues with sound cards, like: >>> 1) had to run yast and reinstall it via yast every reboot so it worked >>> (but since machine stays up 24/7 this wasnt a issue), >>> 2) had to switch to another method other then ALAS to get working. >>> 3) had to install new alsa, >>> >>> if the card is "detected" by linux, and in alsa's compat. charts it >>> gives it reference of basic workability, it 99.999% likel to work. >>> >>> check your dmesg and /var/log/messages for issues around module load. >>> >> cat /var/log/messages has stuff that looks lie dmesg, but here's the >> emu stuff from cat /var/log/messages: >> >> Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: emu1010: Special config. >> Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: emu1010: EMU_HANA_ID=0x7f >> Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: firmware: emu/hana.fw not found. Err=-2 >> Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: emu1010: Loading Hana Firmware file >> emu/hana.fw failed >> Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt for device >> 0000:02:0a.0 disabled >> Sep 2 16:06:59 p733 kernel: EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:02:0a.0 >> failed with error -2 > > Try http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/17/dept/3/idg/System_Tools, > specifically (choose depending on your architecture): > > alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma.i386.rpm > alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma.x86_64.rpm alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma.i386.rpm wouldn't install until I installed alsa-tools 1.0.13 THat's okay now (I think): [chris at p733 ~]$ rpm -U /home/chris/tDesktop/alsa-tools* error: File not found by glob: /home/chris/tDesktop/alsa-tools* [chris at p733 ~]$ rpm -U /home/chris/Desktop/alsa-tools* warning: /home/chris/Desktop/alsa-tools-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma.i386.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 68d9802a error: can't create transaction lock on /var/lib/rpm/__db.000 [chris at p733 ~]$ su Password: [root at p733 chris]# rpm -U /home/chris/Desktop/alsa-tools* warning: /home/chris/Desktop/alsa-tools-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma.i386.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 68d9802a package alsa-tools-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma is already installed Then I installed the firmware: [chris at p733 ~]$ rpm -i Desktop/alsa-firm* warning: Desktop/alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma.i386.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 68d9802a error: can't create transaction lock on /var/lib/rpm/__db.000 [chris at p733 ~]$ su Password: [root at p733 chris]# rpm -i /home/chris/Desktop/alsa-firm* warning: /home/chris/Desktop/alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma.i386.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 68d9802a [root at p733 chris]# rpm -if /home/chris/Desktop/alsa-firm* warning: /home/chris/Desktop/alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma.i386.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 68d9802a package alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma is already installed [root at p733 chris]# > > That'll get you a step close with hana.fw, it should just end up in > /lib/firmware if you install the rpm vs. extracting the file. Still no sound - bugt then you did write that I'd be a step closer - not done! Chris > > Jamon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 01:29:41 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 21:29:41 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DB5F45.7020607-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> <46DB21FA.4080606@chrisaitken.net> <46DB2D84.1050208@utoronto.ca> <46DB5F45.7020607@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46DB6385.6050506@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Jamon Camisso wrote: >> Chris Aitken wrote: >>> tleslie wrote: >> >> That'll get you a step close with hana.fw, it should just end up in >> /lib/firmware if you install the rpm vs. extracting the file. > Still no sound - but then you did write that I'd be a step closer - > not done! I rebooted and alsamixer is coming up now. I played a test sound in Soundcard Detection and it played! alsamixer might be too much for my little Compaq PIII 733 though - it's slowing my system and it won't let me adjust volumes. I tried bringing up alsa at a terminal ('alsamixer') but that brings up an older menu-style application (more than text but less than GUI) - I can adjust volume in the menu-app alsamixer but the level snaps back to default as soon as I click out of the app... I'm way ahead now though - thanks everyone!! Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 03:46:27 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 23:46:27 -0400 Subject: EMU 1212 M too much for P III? Message-ID: <46DB8393.2020902@chrisaitken.net> With the help of list members I got the alsa-tools and alsa-firmware I needed to get sound out of my EMU 1212 M. Unfortunately alsamixergui hangs my system. I ran ps ax and found the alsamixergui process. I ran kill 2553 to quit alsamixergui and unfreeze my system. Is the EMU 1212 M soundcard too much for my Compaq P III 733 MHz computer? I've hung onto this PC because the box is so quiet... The sales dude at the store said not to worry about the MHz on my PC - he said hardware is hardware - it's the Windows software that they use to gauge the suggested processor speed. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 04:30:02 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 00:30:02 -0400 Subject: EMU 1212 M too much for P III? In-Reply-To: <46DB8393.2020902-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46DB8393.2020902@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <1188793802.4900.241.camel@stan64.site> a 733 should be fine for anything to do with audio, now if you are doing HD video editing that would be another thing. why not just use the text/curses alsamixer, i assume it can do anything the gui can? if it works, well just use it, if it doesn't then there is something odd still in the set up. -tl On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 23:46 -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > With the help of list members I got the alsa-tools and alsa-firmware I > needed to get sound out of my EMU 1212 M. Unfortunately alsamixergui > hangs my system. I ran ps ax and found the alsamixergui process. I ran > kill 2553 to quit alsamixergui and unfreeze my system. > > Is the EMU 1212 M soundcard too much for my Compaq P III 733 MHz > computer? I've hung onto this PC because the box is so quiet... > The sales dude at the store said not to worry about the MHz on my PC - > he said hardware is hardware - it's the Windows software that they use > to gauge the suggested processor speed. > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 07:21:02 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:21:02 +0000 Subject: EMU 1212 M too much for P III? In-Reply-To: <46DB8393.2020902-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46DB8393.2020902@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709030021y12f61204sdb93eadba804cc9e@mail.gmail.com> Sounds more like a bug to me. Maybe it's waiting for an IO event from the hardware that doesn't happen? Maybe gtkmixer is better? On 9/3/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > With the help of list members I got the alsa-tools and alsa-firmware I > needed to get sound out of my EMU 1212 M. Unfortunately alsamixergui > hangs my system. I ran ps ax and found the alsamixergui process. I ran > kill 2553 to quit alsamixergui and unfreeze my system. > > Is the EMU 1212 M soundcard too much for my Compaq P III 733 MHz > computer? I've hung onto this PC because the box is so quiet... > The sales dude at the store said not to worry about the MHz on my PC - > he said hardware is hardware - it's the Windows software that they use > to gauge the suggested processor speed. > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 14:20:54 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:20:54 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DAF0D9.4000508-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070903142054.GA11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 01:20:25PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > > Sorry, I'm top-posting to make an apology and explanation for reviving > this thread. I lost the responses I got to this post. I did a clean > install (fedora) to give me the kernel and alsa versions I need for a > semi-pro sound card. The backup I had to re-construct my mail (which was > an adventure)from was old as we moved and I accumulated a lot of email > before I got the backup machine set up again. 'nuff said. > > I did buy (and physically install) the EMU 1212 M PCI sound card. I have > eight business days now to get this working under linux (I've been > drywalling my home recording studio) before I send it back (30-day > return) to L&McQ. > > It's being detected as the Creative Labs SB Audigy, but no sound comes > out of it. The first thing I had to wrap my mind around was that it has > no 'spkr' output. I assume the 1/4" OUTs are what go the speakers. > Someone on this list (Lennart?) explained to me (IIRC) that I can't just > "trivially" (meaning, I guess, that it /looks/ connected but it ain't > done /right)/ hook up the sound card OUT to speakers - they must be > balanced (TRS) 1/4" ends. I understand now that "stereo", "balanced" and > "TRS" (tip, ring, sleeve) are synonymous. So, I have a 1/4" male > -to-1/8" female adaptor from the sound card to the TRS 1/8" male that > goes to the PC speakers. Still no sound. The speakers do work as I can > get sound from the onboard card (which I thought I disabled in the BIOS, > but just seems to be only a tab selection away from testing in the GUI > System>Administration>Soundcard Detection). No stereo is an incompatible use of the same connector. You need the adapters that either connect each of the outputs to a standard RCA phono jack (remember the card has seperate left and right channel outputs). Or you need a cable that connects to both outputs and provides the 1/8" stereo jack you are used to on PCs. EMU's website has a picture in the accessories of the second one. TRS and balanced is the same thing. What the adapters do is simply use the reference ground and one side of the balanced signal to give you a regular unbalanced signal (the other half is not connected). If you try to connect normal PC speakers to just one connector with a 1/4" to 1/8" adapter you will either short something, or you will simply have both speakers playing one channel except out of phase (essentially trying to cancel each other out). Being detected as an Audigy is kind of reasonable since the 1212m is actually based on the same emu10002 chip as the audigy but uses additional chips that the audigy doesn't have along with much higher quality components to give better sound quality. > I will test the 1/4" male -to-1/8" female adaptor (that I have in the > soundcard) to make sure it works. I'll go to alsa-projects.org again to > see how to get the card working under linux. There also is a good hacker > working in the local Krazy Krazy who might take this on. So, I need to > do all I can quickly, so I can it to him, see what he can do, and still > have time to get it back to L&McQ by Sept 17. Other than the cable, remember you must have 1.0.14 ALSA version (not 1.0.13 or 1.0.14rc). And you need the alsa-firmware 1.0.14 in order to get the fpga code required by the card to work fully. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 14:22:15 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:22:15 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DB1D83.3020806-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> <46DB1D83.3020806@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070903142215.GB11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 04:30:59PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > tleslie wrote: > >does this card have a toslink fiber optics output? > >go into alsamixer make sure the needed volume leves are above 0, > >sometime they start at 0 by default, and there is Master, PCM, etc > > > >i have had issues with sound cards, like: > >1) had to run yast and reinstall it via yast every reboot so it worked > > (but since machine stays up 24/7 this wasnt a issue), > >2) had to switch to another method other then ALAS to get working. > >3) had to install new alsa, > > > >if the card is "detected" by linux, and in alsa's compat. charts it > >gives it reference of basic workability, it 99.999% likel to work. > > > Alsa-project.org gives hope: > > E-MU 1212m > > > > > CA0102, FPGA > > Details > > [PCI] [ANALOGio] > [RCAio] > [TOSio] > [ADATio] > Support > arriving in 1.0.14 > > > Is there an easy way to figure out what alsa version I have? cat /proc/asound/version (for drivers) alsactl --version (for utilities) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 14:23:27 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:23:27 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DB2144.9050900-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> <46DB2144.9050900@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070903142327.GC11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 04:47:00PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > I guess the EMU stuff from dmesg doesn't look great: > > emu1010: Special config. > emu1010: EMU_HANA_ID=0x7f > firmware: emu/hana.fw not found. Err=-2 > emu1010: Loading Hana Firmware file emu/hana.fw failed > ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:02:0a.0 disabled > EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:02:0a.0 failed with error -2 You need to get the emu firmware file from the alsa-firmware package and put it wherever firmware files go on your distribution (it is /lib/firmware on Debian). So you should probably have a /lib/firmware/emu/hana.fw file for the driver to load. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 14:24:41 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:24:41 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DB2D84.1050208-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> <46DB21FA.4080606@chrisaitken.net> <46DB2D84.1050208@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20070903142441.GD11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 05:39:16PM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Try http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/17/dept/3/idg/System_Tools, > specifically (choose depending on your architecture): > > alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma.i386.rpm > alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma.x86_64.rpm > > That'll get you a step close with hana.fw, it should just end up in > /lib/firmware if you install the rpm vs. extracting the file. Except 1.0.13 doesn't have any support for the card. It MUST be the 1.0.14 firmware package. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 14:27:23 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:27:23 -0400 Subject: EMU 1212 M too much for P III? In-Reply-To: <46DB8393.2020902-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46DB8393.2020902@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070903142723.GE11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 11:46:27PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > With the help of list members I got the alsa-tools and alsa-firmware I > needed to get sound out of my EMU 1212 M. Unfortunately alsamixergui > hangs my system. I ran ps ax and found the alsamixergui process. I ran > kill 2553 to quit alsamixergui and unfreeze my system. > > Is the EMU 1212 M soundcard too much for my Compaq P III 733 MHz > computer? I've hung onto this PC because the box is so quiet... > The sales dude at the store said not to worry about the MHz on my PC - > he said hardware is hardware - it's the Windows software that they use > to gauge the suggested processor speed. Well it shouldn't be any problem for your machine. I have never used the gui version of alsamixer, only the console version. Certainly the emu10001 was fine on a 700MHz machine (and even a 200MHz machine), and the emu10002 is only about 2 to 4 times the performance, so I can't see how it could be an issue. Maybe you have a bug, or you are using alsa tools that are a different version than your drivers (which sometimes cause weird problems). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 14:29:01 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:29:01 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <20070903142441.GD11129-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> <46DB21FA.4080606@chrisaitken.net> <46DB2D84.1050208@utoronto.ca> <20070903142441.GD11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46DC1A2D.90606@utoronto.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 05:39:16PM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: >> Try http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/17/dept/3/idg/System_Tools, >> specifically (choose depending on your architecture): >> >> alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma.i386.rpm >> alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma.x86_64.rpm >> >> That'll get you a step close with hana.fw, it should just end up in >> /lib/firmware if you install the rpm vs. extracting the file. > > Except 1.0.13 doesn't have any support for the card. It MUST be the > 1.0.14 firmware package. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.tolug/34181/focus=35066 Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 14:33:12 2007 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:33:12 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu upgrades (was Re:"NVidia is great!" - Umm, no?) In-Reply-To: <56369.69.157.194.50.1188589586.squirrel-SDEzVqVlFnWye9+Y+OZS3dBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280708310852r14eea7beu833092dedf78e1ac@mail.gmail.com> <46D83E2C.1090909@telly.org> <20070831163542.GG22395@payneful.ca> <46D84D1A.6020302@telly.org> <46D85524.1010407@utoronto.ca> <56369.69.157.194.50.1188589586.squirrel@secure.starnix.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280709030733sdf5fa42lc614fd6214ba21ae@mail.gmail.com> On 8/31/07, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > Which are you using, apt-get or aptitude? > > adept-updater, which is the recommended tool for Kubuntu. As Lennart says, Debian upgrades extremely well: I have a couple of systems several years old that I've upgraded repeatedly without major issues (a couple minor ones - generally very minor). My laptop runs Ubuntu. Because my first step after installing Ubuntu was to remove the main part of GNOME and NOT install KDE, the graphical installer refuses to work: you have to have a desktop it understands. I'm forced to use the CLI, so I do it exactly the same way I upgrade Debian. Which is fine with me. I think I've upgraded the laptop's Ubuntu three times since its initial install - again, without major incident. You may want to consider the possibility that adept-updater doesn't do nearly as good a job as "${EDITOR} /etc/apt/sources.list && aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". No, it's not GUI, and I'd guess this isn't the solution you were looking for, but I thought I would mention it as a possibility if you prefer to stay with Ubuntu. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 15:56:11 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 11:56:11 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu upgrades (was Re:"NVidia is great!" - Umm, no?) In-Reply-To: <1f13df280709030733sdf5fa42lc614fd6214ba21ae-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280708310852r14eea7beu833092dedf78e1ac@mail.gmail.com> <46D83E2C.1090909@telly.org> <20070831163542.GG22395@payneful.ca> <46D84D1A.6020302@telly.org> <46D85524.1010407@utoronto.ca> <56369.69.157.194.50.1188589586.squirrel@secure.starnix.com> <1f13df280709030733sdf5fa42lc614fd6214ba21ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/3/07, Giles Orr wrote: > On 8/31/07, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > > Which are you using, apt-get or aptitude? > > > > adept-updater, which is the recommended tool for Kubuntu. > > As Lennart says, Debian upgrades extremely well: I have a couple of > systems several years old that I've upgraded repeatedly without major > issues (a couple minor ones - generally very minor). A BIG part of this is undoubtedly that Debian's release strategy has involved doing in-place upgrades of both minor and major sorts for *years* now. Ubuntu kind of gets this "for free," as a result of deriving from Debian. In contrast, the "upgrade strategy" for Red Hat derivatives has always been, pretty much, to re-install, so the work has NOT gone into the release processes to ensure that (for instance) libraries get upgraded in a fashion that doesn't leave the distribution "hanging" half-way through. I don't think that's too likely to change any time soon - the transition is a lot of effort. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 16:01:33 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:01:33 -0400 Subject: EMU 1212 M too much for P III? In-Reply-To: <1188793802.4900.241.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <46DB8393.2020902@chrisaitken.net> <1188793802.4900.241.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <46DC2FDD.8080703@chrisaitken.net> tleslie wrote: > a 733 should be fine for anything to do with audio, > now if you are doing HD video editing that would > be another thing. > > why not just use the text/curses alsamixer, i assume it can do anything > the gui can? > Probably - there must be fifty sliders and toggles. > if it works, well just use it, if it doesn't then there is something odd > still in the set up. > Okay - it seems okay - settings I make are persisting now - it was probably the hanging I was getting with alsamixergui that kept the settings from persisting in alsamixer, last night. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 16:05:12 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:05:12 -0400 Subject: EMU 1212 M too much for P III? In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709030021y12f61204sdb93eadba804cc9e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46DB8393.2020902@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709030021y12f61204sdb93eadba804cc9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DC30B8.20503@chrisaitken.net> Tyler Aviss wrote: > Sounds more like a bug to me. Maybe it's waiting for an IO event from > the hardware that doesn't happen? > > Maybe gtkmixer is better? > Doesn't seem to be on my system: [chris at p733 ~]$ gtkmixer bash: gtkmixer: command not found [chris at p733 ~]$ /sbin/gtkmixer bash: /sbin/gtkmixer: No such file or directory [chris at p733 ~]$ locate gtkmixer [chris at p733 ~]$ find -name gtkmixer [chris at p733 ~]$ I'll look into installing that if alsamixer (the non-gui) gives me any trouble. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 16:10:40 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:10:40 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <20070903142215.GB11129-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> <46DB1D83.3020806@chrisaitken.net> <20070903142215.GB11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46DC3200.7070405@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > cat /proc/asound/version (for drivers) > alsactl --version (for utilities) > Looks like I'm okay: [chris at p733 ~]$ cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.14 (Thu May 31 09:03:25 2007 UTC). [chris at p733 ~]$ alsactl --version bash: alsactl: command not found [chris at p733 ~]$ /sbin/alsactl --version alsactl version 1.0.14 [chris at p733 ~]$ rpm -q alsa-firmware alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma [chris at p733 ~]$ rpm -q alsa-tools alsa-tools-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma Should alsa-tools also be 1.0.14? Chris > -- > Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 16:17:42 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:17:42 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <20070903142327.GC11129-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> <46DB2144.9050900@chrisaitken.net> <20070903142327.GC11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46DC33A6.1040100@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 04:47:00PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I guess the EMU stuff from dmesg doesn't look great: >> >> emu1010: Special config. >> emu1010: EMU_HANA_ID=0x7f >> firmware: emu/hana.fw not found. Err=-2 >> emu1010: Loading Hana Firmware file emu/hana.fw failed >> ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:02:0a.0 disabled >> EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:02:0a.0 failed with error -2 >> > > You need to get the emu firmware file from the alsa-firmware package and > put it wherever firmware files go on your distribution (it is > /lib/firmware on Debian). So you should probably have a > /lib/firmware/emu/hana.fw file for the driver to load. > I use rpm -i [file] to install stuff. I don't know how to "put" it anywhere. Am I okay now that the soundcard's working or will I run into trouble later if I didn't follow the above advice? Chris > -- > Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 16:22:43 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:22:43 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <20070903142441.GD11129-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> <46DB21FA.4080606@chrisaitken.net> <46DB2D84.1050208@utoronto.ca> <20070903142441.GD11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46DC34D3.5040000@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 05:39:16PM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > >> Try http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/17/dept/3/idg/System_Tools, >> specifically (choose depending on your architecture): >> >> alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma.i386.rpm >> alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma.x86_64.rpm >> >> That'll get you a step close with hana.fw, it should just end up in >> /lib/firmware if you install the rpm vs. extracting the file. >> > > Except 1.0.13 doesn't have any support for the card. It MUST be the > 1.0.14 firmware package. > Even though I started with the above package, I somehow ended up with the 1.0.14 stuff (except alsa-tools which is 1.0.13-1). I remember doing a yum install alsa[-whatever] or two after the card still wasn't detected by alsa (i.e. alsa was not opening). Chris > Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 18:45:19 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:45:19 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709021305n386caa23wc63ede1dafb7db7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709021305n386caa23wc63ede1dafb7db7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DC563F.8010101@chrisaitken.net> Tyler Aviss wrote: > I also have an SBLive Card but /w the frontal LiveDrive port, which > adds extra connectors/controls including RCA, and Optical. As I don't > have anything optical/digital to plug into, I can't test the > functionality, but have you considered checking for a cheap LiveDrive > module on ebay or whatever? > What would that do for me. Is it a kind of hardware front end for the card. What problem would it solve? Or does it just make things easier or hands-on? I'm askign because I'm curious as to why, and also because it's been suggested to me that I get a mic pre-amp/compressor (by a talented but busy recording engineer) but still don't fully understand why I need it. I don't like to buy things until I "get" why I need them... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 3 19:57:09 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:57:09 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DC3200.7070405-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <1188762864.4900.236.camel@stan64.site> <46DB1D83.3020806@chrisaitken.net> <20070903142215.GB11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DC3200.7070405@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070903195709.GF11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 12:10:40PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > Looks like I'm okay: > > [chris at p733 ~]$ cat /proc/asound/version > Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.14 (Thu May 31 > 09:03:25 2007 UTC). Driver version is OK. > [chris at p733 ~]$ alsactl --version > bash: alsactl: command not found > [chris at p733 ~]$ /sbin/alsactl --version > alsactl version 1.0.14 Alsautils are OK. > [chris at p733 ~]$ rpm -q alsa-firmware > alsa-firmware-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma > [chris at p733 ~]$ rpm -q alsa-tools > alsa-tools-1.0.13-1.fc7.ccrma > > Should alsa-tools also be 1.0.14? Probably, as should alsa-firmware I would think. At least given the support for your card came in 1.0.14 I highly doubt the firmware was included in the 1.0.13 package. I believe the tools are used to load firmware and such. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 4 14:00:19 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 10:00:19 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <20070903142054.GA11129-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <20070903142054.GA11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46DD64F3.2030608@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 01:20:25PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Chris Aitken wrote: >> > No, stereo is an incompatible use of the same connector. You need the > adapters that either connect each of the outputs to a standard RCA phono > jack (remember the card has seperate left and right channel outputs). > Or you need a cable that connects to both outputs and provides the 1/8" > stereo jack you are used to on PCs. EMU's website has a picture in the > accessories of the second one. > i went there and don't see the picture... http://www.creative.com/products/welcome.asp?category=13 > TRS and balanced is the same thing. What the adapters do is simply use > the reference ground and one side of the balanced signal to give you a > regular unbalanced signal (the other half is not connected). > Unless the adaptor is TRS as well? > If you try to connect normal PC speakers to just one connector with a > 1/4" to 1/8" adapter you will either short something, or you will simply > have both speakers playing one channel except out of phase (essentially > trying to cancel each other out). > Okay. > Being detected as an Audigy is kind of reasonable since the 1212m is > actually based on the same emu10002 chip as the audigy but uses > additional chips that the audigy doesn't have along with much higher > quality components to give better sound quality. > Understood. >> I will test the 1/4" male -to-1/8" female adaptor (that I have in the >> soundcard) to make sure it works. I'll go to alsa-projects.org again to >> see how to get the card working under linux. There also is a good hacker >> working in the local Krazy Krazy who might take this on. So, I need to >> do all I can quickly, so I can it to him, see what he can do, and still >> have time to get it back to L&McQ by Sept 17. >> > > Other than the cable, remember you must have 1.0.14 ALSA version (not > 1.0.13 or 1.0.14rc). And you need the alsa-firmware 1.0.14 in order to > get the fpga code required by the card to work fully. > As you know, my card is working now. If you think 1.0.14 will be better I'll install it. As you can see below I tried to use yum to install it (and avoid rpm dependency hell). Any suggestions? [chris at p733 ~]$ su Password: [root at p733 chris]# yum install alsa-firmware-1.0.14 Setting up Install Process Parsing package install arguments Nothing to do [root at p733 chris]# exit exit [chris at p733 ~]$ rpm -i Desktop/alsa*.rpm warning: Desktop/alsa-firmware-1.0.14-0.pm.0.noarch.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 5277a2fa error: Failed dependencies: alsa >= 1.0.14 is needed by alsa-firmware-1.0.14-0.pm.0.noarch hotplug is needed by alsa-firmware-1.0.14-0.pm.0.noarch [chris at p733 ~]$ man rpm Chris > Len Sorensen > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 4 14:34:33 2007 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New computer - x64 or x32? In-Reply-To: <20070902005320.GA14078-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070902005320.GA14078@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <681767.99158.qm@web61321.mail.yahoo.com> --- William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I've got a new computer with a AMD Athlon??? 64 X2 Dual-Core chip > in it, > and I'm wondering if I should put a 64-bit Linux on it, or just > stick to > a 32-bit system. Pros? Cons? > -- > > yours, > > William > > You might find http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/69585-should-you-choose-32-bit-64-bit-linux.html of interest. Check it out. EK Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 4 14:52:48 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:52:48 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DD64F3.2030608-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <20070903142054.GA11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD64F3.2030608@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070904145248.GH11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 10:00:19AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > i went there and don't see the picture... > http://www.creative.com/products/welcome.asp?category=13 www.emu.com, products, upgrades & accesories, stereo Y adapter cable. > Unless the adaptor is TRS as well? A single TRS port is one channel. Left or right. You need to connect your speakers to both the left and right channels of one output meaning two plugs. > As you know, my card is working now. If you think 1.0.14 will be better > I'll install it. As you can see below I tried to use yum to install it > (and avoid rpm dependency hell). Any suggestions? Well until someone packages it for the distribution it is hard to install that way. > [chris at p733 ~]$ su > Password: > [root at p733 chris]# yum install alsa-firmware-1.0.14 > Setting up Install Process > Parsing package install arguments > Nothing to do > [root at p733 chris]# exit > exit > [chris at p733 ~]$ rpm -i Desktop/alsa*.rpm > warning: Desktop/alsa-firmware-1.0.14-0.pm.0.noarch.rpm: Header V3 DSA > signature: NOKEY, key ID 5277a2fa > error: Failed dependencies: > alsa >= 1.0.14 is needed by alsa-firmware-1.0.14-0.pm.0.noarch > hotplug is needed by alsa-firmware-1.0.14-0.pm.0.noarch > [chris at p733 ~]$ man rpm Whoever packaged that screwed up. Hotplug is obsolete and not used anymore. udev is the modern method. In your case the firmware files could just be installed manually, and if you ever get a hold of an alsa-firmware package for fedora, it will just overwrite the files. I believe the firmware file is required to make the card fully functional. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 4 15:53:56 2007 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:53:56 +0300 Subject: Installing programs in cygwin Message-ID: Hi all, A quick question, is it possible to install mysql on cygwin instead of having it run directly on Windows? The former setup is more friendly as I can leverage the tonne of Unix/Linux scripts available on the net. Any help would be appreaciated Regards William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 4 16:24:43 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:24:43 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <20070904145248.GH11129-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <20070903142054.GA11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD64F3.2030608@chrisaitken.net> <20070904145248.GH11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46DD86CB.4000107@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 10:00:19AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> i went there and don't see the picture... >> http://www.creative.com/products/welcome.asp?category=13 >> > > www.emu.com, products, upgrades & accesories, stereo Y adapter cable. > > >> Unless the adaptor is TRS as well? >> > > A single TRS port is one channel. I'm glad you put it that way. This is what I don't get. The way I understand TRS is that it is stereo in /one/ plug. Tip, Ring, Sleeve represents left and right channels going through one cable. So, your statement, "A single TRS port is one channel" doesn't make sense to me. > Left or right. You need to connect > your speakers to both the left and right channels of one output meaning > two plugs. > > >> As you know, my card is working now. If you think 1.0.14 will be better >> I'll install it. As you can see below I tried to use yum to install it >> (and avoid rpm dependency hell). Any suggestions? >> > > Well until someone packages it for the distribution it is hard to > install that way. > I'm just being lazy - I downloaded a tar.bz2 file - I'll look for instructions and install it from that. Again, should I bother - my card is "working" - will it work better with 1.0.14? > >> [chris at p733 ~]$ su >> Password: >> [root at p733 chris]# yum install alsa-firmware-1.0.14 >> Setting up Install Process >> Parsing package install arguments >> Nothing to do >> [root at p733 chris]# exit >> exit >> [chris at p733 ~]$ rpm -i Desktop/alsa*.rpm >> warning: Desktop/alsa-firmware-1.0.14-0.pm.0.noarch.rpm: Header V3 DSA >> signature: NOKEY, key ID 5277a2fa >> error: Failed dependencies: >> alsa >= 1.0.14 is needed by alsa-firmware-1.0.14-0.pm.0.noarch >> hotplug is needed by alsa-firmware-1.0.14-0.pm.0.noarch >> [chris at p733 ~]$ man rpm >> > > Whoever packaged that screwed up. Hotplug is obsolete and not used > anymore. udev is the modern method. > > In your case the firmware files could just be installed manually, and if > you ever get a hold of an alsa-firmware package for fedora, it will just > overwrite the files. I believe the firmware file is required to make > the card fully functional. > Okay, I guess that answers the question above. Chris > Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 4 16:47:43 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:47:43 -0400 Subject: Microsoft OOXML proposal fails ISO ratification In-Reply-To: <46DD8B48.9070005-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46DD8B48.9070005@telly.org> Message-ID: <46DD8C2F.1070308@rogers.com> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > It's official; OpenOfficeXML -- the office file format Microsoft has > been pushing as a "standard" in competition with OpenDocument -- has > been rejected by a formal vote of national bodies at the ISO. > > There's more info at groklaw.net . -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 4 16:52:47 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:52:47 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DD86CB.4000107-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <20070903142054.GA11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD64F3.2030608@chrisaitken.net> <20070904145248.GH11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD86CB.4000107@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46DD8D5F.3080304@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 10:00:19AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: >> >>> i went there and don't see the picture... >>> http://www.creative.com/products/welcome.asp?category=13 >>> >> >> www.emu.com, products, upgrades & accesories, stereo Y adapter cable. >> >> >>> Unless the adaptor is TRS as well? >>> >> >> A single TRS port is one channel. > I'm glad you put it that way. This is what I don't get. The way I > understand TRS is that it is stereo in /one/ plug. Tip, Ring, Sleeve > represents left and right channels going through one cable. So, your > statement, "A single TRS port is one channel" doesn't make sense to me. Creative.com echoes this contradiction by describing "Two 1/4" balanced inputs [and outputs]". I thought the "balanced" part of the equation is that there are /two/ of them, not that /each/ one is "balanced". Isn't there a left and a right, together making "stereo" or "balanced"? Sorry to be so thick. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 4 17:20:38 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Microsoft OOXML proposal fails ISO ratification In-Reply-To: <46DD8B48.9070005-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46DD8B48.9070005@telly.org> Message-ID: <2195.74.99.32.193.1188926438.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Evan wrote: [Much interesting information elided] > It cannot be stressed how much political and financial pressure ^^^^^^^^ shouldn't this be 'overstressed'? [Interesting commentary elided] Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 4 17:45:08 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:45:08 -0400 Subject: Microsoft OOXML proposal fails ISO ratification In-Reply-To: <46DD8C2F.1070308-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46DD8B48.9070005@telly.org> <46DD8C2F.1070308@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46DD99A4.5050706@telly.org> James Knott wrote: > There's more info at groklaw.net . I found that groklaw was way out of its league on this issue, compared to sites such as consortiuminfo that were well versed on the politics of standards long before OOXML was news. The Groklaw "analysis" here proved to be little more than raw advocacy, and certainly nothing original. I wish groklaw would stick to legal scrutiny where it shines, and that -- assuming it's winding down its SCO coverage -- it turn its attention to the continuing legal attacks on open source (and the consuming public) used by the publishing industry. Issues such as "policy laundering" -- the use of WIPO as a slave to drive bad IP law around the world -- needs far more exposure than it has received. The OOXML issue has been one of standards and politics, neither of which has emerged as a Groklaw strong suit. Where is Groklaw in covering this attack on the Artistic License, which is now in the courts? http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/25/2059231 - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 4 18:49:08 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:49:08 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DD86CB.4000107-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <20070903142054.GA11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD64F3.2030608@chrisaitken.net> <20070904145248.GH11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD86CB.4000107@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070904184908.GA5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 12:24:43PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > I'm glad you put it that way. This is what I don't get. The way I > understand TRS is that it is stereo in /one/ plug. Tip, Ring, Sleeve > represents left and right channels going through one cable. So, your > statement, "A single TRS port is one channel" doesn't make sense to me. So all TRS is is tip ring sleeve connectors. There are two common (and completely incompatible) uses of the TRS 1/4" jack. Consumer stuff uses it like they use the 1/8" stereo jack, which is signal left, ground and signal right. Since a signal by itself is pretty susceptible to noise and interference, the pro users have a different setup. The balanced audio use of the same 3 connector 1/4" jack is to have signal, ground and inverse signal. This means the signal is transmitted as a differential signal, and any noise picked up by one signal like is likely to be encountered by the other one as well which means when you take the difference between the two the noise mostly cancels out in the equation, which means much much less noise. Of course since they use two wires for the differential signal there is only room for either left or right on a single plug. So you need a pair of plugs (just like consumer stuff often has white/red or white/black pairs of RCA connectors to carry left and right except those connecters are only two conductor each.). So a balanced 1/4" and a stereo 1/4" may be physically identical, but their use is different. A balanced 1/4" is essentially a mono 1/4" with an additional connection for the differential part of the mono signal. This is why you need a left and right balanced connector to get a stereo signal (and hence the Y adapter connects to left and right balanced to provide a single 1/8" stereo jack). In fact emu says that if you have equipment that supports unbalanced audio with mono 1/4" jacks, you are allowed to connect that with 2 conductor 1/4" patch cords (with TS connectors rather than TRS connectors) to the balanced jacks, and it will simply not use the differential part of the signal (since the cable won't carry it). Either way, they are mono jacks on the emu card. > I'm just being lazy - I downloaded a tar.bz2 file - I'll look for > instructions and install it from that. Again, should I bother - my card > is "working" - will it work better with 1.0.14? Does dmesg say it loaded the 'hana.fw' file? I believe the main PCI card works without it, but the companion card needs the firmware file to work. Lots of emu products use the same emu10002 based card but have different companion cards or external boxes to provide different features, all of which use firmware files to enable them. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 4 20:02:05 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:02:05 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DD8D5F.3080304-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <20070903142054.GA11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD64F3.2030608@chrisaitken.net> <20070904145248.GH11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD86CB.4000107@chrisaitken.net> <46DD8D5F.3080304@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070904200205.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 12:52:47PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > Creative.com echoes this contradiction by describing "Two 1/4" balanced > inputs [and outputs]". I thought the "balanced" part of the equation is > that there are /two/ of them, not that /each/ one is "balanced". Isn't > there a left and a right, together making "stereo" or "balanced"? Sorry > to be so thick. No balanced means it uses a balanced signal. Not sure if they consider each mono channel an input or if they think you need stereo (two of them together) for an input. Reading the manual makes it appear that to them, a pair of mono inputs which can be used as a stereo input, qualifies as 2 inputs. Similarly for the outputs. Of course a lot of music people have mono connections to things like guitars and such, so for them they are proper inputs and they do get two of them. Instruments rarely have any reason to be stereo by themselves, that is more of a mixing and output issue, keyboards probably being the main exception. So yes the 1212m has two balanced inputs and two balanced outputs all of which are mono, which means you can do one stereo input and one stereo output. If you read the manual, on page 23 it clearly shows that for the microdock they say "4 balanced line level inputs (configured as 2 stereo pairs)". Page 96 has info on balanced versus unbalanced connectors. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 4 22:15:52 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:15:52 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <20070904200205.GB5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <20070903142054.GA11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD64F3.2030608@chrisaitken.net> <20070904145248.GH11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD86CB.4000107@chrisaitken.net> <46DD8D5F.3080304@chrisaitken.net> <20070904200205.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46DDD918.7070200@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 12:52:47PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Creative.com echoes this contradiction by describing "Two 1/4" balanced >> inputs [and outputs]". I thought the "balanced" part of the equation is >> that there are /two/ of them, not that /each/ one is "balanced". Isn't >> there a left and a right, together making "stereo" or "balanced"? Sorry >> to be so thick. >> > > No balanced means it uses a balanced signal. Not sure if they consider > each mono channel an input or if they think you need stereo (two of > them together) for an input. > > Reading the manual makes it appear that to them, a pair of mono inputs > which can be used as a stereo input, qualifies as 2 inputs. Similarly > for the outputs. Of course a lot of music people have mono connections > to things like guitars and such, so for them they are proper inputs and > they do get two of them. Instruments rarely have any reason to be > stereo by themselves, that is more of a mixing and output issue, > keyboards probably being the main exception. > > So yes the 1212m has two balanced inputs and two balanced outputs all of > which are mono, which means you can do one stereo input and one stereo > output. > > If you read the manual, on page 23 it clearly shows that for the > microdock they say "4 balanced line level inputs (configured as 2 stereo > pairs)". Page 96 has info on balanced versus unbalanced connectors. > Okay, I downloaded the manual and looked up your two references. I finally get it. TRS is always the same as balanced. These terms, however, are not synonymous with stereo. You can tell just by looking at a cable if it is balanced/TRS but you can't tell by looking (externally) at a port if it balanced or unbalanced - you need to read the specs. So, the "speaker" output of a consumer card is "stereo" (1/8" TRS takes left and right signals down one cable to be separated by the PC speaker system to left and right speakers). But the INs and OUTs on my EMU 1212M are balanced, meaning each TRS carries a (relatively) noise-free left or right signal on it's way to or from the card. Just thinking in ink to see if I have this right. Do I? And, thanks, Lennart for you effort and patience teaching Physical Connectivity 101. Chris > -- > Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 00:50:23 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:50:23 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DDD918.7070200-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <20070903142054.GA11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD64F3.2030608@chrisaitken.net> <20070904145248.GH11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD86CB.4000107@chrisaitken.net> <46DD8D5F.3080304@chrisaitken.net> <20070904200205.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DDD918.7070200@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070905005023.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 06:15:52PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > Okay, I downloaded the manual and looked up your two references. I > finally get it. TRS is always the same as balanced. These terms, > however, are not synonymous with stereo. You can tell just by looking at > a cable if it is balanced/TRS but you can't tell by looking (externally) > at a port if it balanced or unbalanced - you need to read the specs. So, > the "speaker" output of a consumer card is "stereo" (1/8" TRS takes left > and right signals down one cable to be separated by the PC speaker > system to left and right speakers). But the INs and OUTs on my EMU 1212M > are balanced, meaning each TRS carries a (relatively) noise-free left or > right signal on it's way to or from the card. Well TRS literally just means Tip Ring Sleeve. A stereo jack is a TRS jack, but it is not a balanced signal. It seems often TRS is used to refer to balanced, and TS (Tip Sleeve (no ring)) is used to refer to unbalanced [both mono of course]. And yes you got it right. All you can visibly see is that it is a 1/4" jack. You need to know by the specs if it is a stereo jack, or a balanced or unbalanced mono jack. > Just thinking in ink to see if I have this right. Do I? And, thanks, > Lennart for you effort and patience teaching Physical Connectivity 101. Well hopefully you manage to get the card to do something useful for you soon. At least it is an expandable card since you can buy the external microdock as an upgrade that just plugs in (assuming alsa supports it know, which I think it might or at least will soon since the 1.0.15 drivers are adding the 1616 and 0404 emu models in addition to the 1212 and 1820 that 1.0.14 added), which gives another 3 pairs of inputs and two pairs of outputs as far as I remember (I would have to check the specs again to be sure). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 01:05:08 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:05:08 -0400 Subject: Locale/UTF8 problem in firefox Message-ID: <46DE00C4.2060705@alteeve.com> Hi all, I've got an odd problem with firefox. I have a form that a user can enter text into. On save, this is stored in a PostgreSQL database set to UTF-8 (SET client_encoding = 'UTF8';). The problem is, if I enter a UTF8 string like: ??? test. I can see it in the database as: nmc=> SELECT dom_admin_note FROM domains WHERE dom_id=2; dom_admin_note ---------------- ??? test. (1 row) And when I print it to SYSLOG I see: [Tue Sep 4 20:55:24 2007] ga.cgi: ga.lib: 388; 'dom_admin_note': [?? ? test.] But Firefox shows it as: ????????? test. First line is viewed in the document source, the second as it appears in the forms 'textarea' field. This is a problem in itself, but doubly so because if a user changes something else, this mangled string gets saved over the good string. Has anyone else here seen a problem like this? Any idea what's going on? My system's locale is 'en_CA.utf8', in case it matters. This error happens even after having cleared the mangled text, re-entered the Japanese text, resaved and redisplayed. Thanks all! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 01:50:22 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:50:22 -0400 Subject: Locale/UTF8 problem in firefox In-Reply-To: <46DE00C4.2060705-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46DE00C4.2060705@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <46DE0B5E.6020701@telly.org> Hi Madison, This may not be a real fix for your problem but it's one that I've had to fight with in the past. At least it might offer a good place to start, if you haven't ventured there already. As Firefox uses neither KDE nor GNOME, it doesn' t know or use the font defaults of your desktop; therefore it maintains its own settings of what fonts and encodings to use. This offers the possibility a Unicode string that displays fine using other GUI apps (which respect your desktop's settings) may not render properly within Mozilla (and its components; Firefox, Thunderbird, etc). They might not be using the same fonts. It's even possible that your Firefox isn't set up to use Unicode. Have a look in Edit -> Preferences -> Content -> Fonts & Colors -> Advanced ... on mine the default encoding is not unicode. Another possibility might be to add support for other languages under Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> General -> Languages. HTH, - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 02:56:52 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:56:52 -0400 Subject: Locale/UTF8 problem in firefox In-Reply-To: <46DE0B5E.6020701-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46DE00C4.2060705@alteeve.com> <46DE0B5E.6020701@telly.org> Message-ID: <46DE1AF4.5060000@alteeve.com> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Hi Madison, > > This may not be a real fix for your problem but it's one that I've had > to fight with in the past. At least it might offer a good place to > start, if you haven't ventured there already. > > As Firefox uses neither KDE nor GNOME, it doesn' t know or use the font > defaults of your desktop; therefore it maintains its own settings of > what fonts and encodings to use. This offers the possibility a Unicode > string that displays fine using other GUI apps (which respect your > desktop's settings) may not render properly within Mozilla (and its > components; Firefox, Thunderbird, etc). They might not be using the same > fonts. It's even possible that your Firefox isn't set up to use Unicode. > > Have a look in Edit -> Preferences -> Content -> Fonts & Colors -> > Advanced ... on mine the default encoding is not unicode. > > Another possibility might be to add support for other languages under > Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> General -> Languages. > > HTH, > > - Evan Thanks, Evan. Trick is though, I need a solution that doesn't require the user to modify their browser setting. :/ I was hoping that telling perl and postgres to use UTF8 would do that. My program is designed to be used by non-techies. I don't want to/can't ask users to change Firefox settings. Any tricks that might work at the program/DB level? Thanks! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 03:21:48 2007 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:21:48 -0400 Subject: Locale/UTF8 problem in firefox In-Reply-To: <46DE00C4.2060705-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46DE00C4.2060705@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200709042321.48650.amarjan@pobox.com> On September 4, 2007 09:05:08 pm Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got an odd problem with firefox. I have a form that a user can > enter text into. On save, this is stored in a PostgreSQL database set to > UTF-8 (SET client_encoding = 'UTF8';). > > The problem is, if I enter a UTF8 string like: > > ??? test. > > I can see it in the database as: > > nmc=> SELECT dom_admin_note FROM domains WHERE dom_id=2; > dom_admin_note > ---------------- > ??? test. > (1 row) > > And when I print it to SYSLOG I see: > > [Tue Sep 4 20:55:24 2007] ga.cgi: ga.lib: 388; 'dom_admin_note': [?? > ? test.] > > But Firefox shows it as: > > > ????????? test. > > First line is viewed in the document source, the second as it appears > in the forms 'textarea' field. This is a problem in itself, but doubly > so because if a user changes something else, this mangled string gets > saved over the good string. > > Has anyone else here seen a problem like this? Any idea what's going > on? My system's locale is 'en_CA.utf8', in case it matters. This error > happens even after having cleared the mangled text, re-entered the > Japanese text, resaved and redisplayed. Does your program tell the browser that the page is in utf-8? IIRC by default, Firefox will interpret pages with no character set info as latin-1. The best place to set it is in the HTTP headers, but you can also add a meta tag with the information. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 04:49:11 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:49:11 -0400 Subject: Locale/UTF8 problem in firefox In-Reply-To: <200709042321.48650.amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <46DE00C4.2060705@alteeve.com> <200709042321.48650.amarjan@pobox.com> Message-ID: <46DE3547.9040602@alteeve.com> Andrej Marjan wrote: > Does your program tell the browser that the page is in utf-8? IIRC by default, > Firefox will interpret pages with no character set info as latin-1. > > The best place to set it is in the HTTP headers, but you can also add a meta > tag with the information. Yeah, one of the things I looked into when trying to localize the program. :/ ... Thanks! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 12:31:40 2007 From: interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Interlug Lists) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:31:40 -0400 Subject: Countdown to Ontario Linux Fest Message-ID: <408ae1640709050531w536784b2ue95252e528f21336@mail.gmail.com> Hello everybody, The countdown is on to Ontario Linux Fest and we couldn't be more excited. Here's some news from inside the organizing committee. Since our last note we've added some speakers and topics, and a couple of prominent sponsors. And a bunch more of you have registered in advance from our registration page at http://onlinux.ca/olfreg All of that is awesome, because we need all of those pieces in place to build Ontario Linux Fest. We're just a touch over a month to the Fest, so here are a few things that you need to know about. Novell goes platinum at Ontario Linux Fest. "Novell Canada has secured a key platinum sponsorship to further demonstrate their commitment to GNU/Linux and Free Software," said, John Van Ostrand of the organizing committee, "As members of the Open Invention Network, patrons of KDE and sponsors of OpenSUSE (and dozens of other F/LOSS contributions, Novell continues as community leaders." We can't make Ontario Linux Fest a success without our sponsors and we urge you to consider OLF sponsors when you are making purchasing decisions. Free your phone and your mind will follow. We're very excited about the OpenMoko presentation at OLF. The recent splash made by a proprietary phone has only tilled the soil for an Open computer-phone. Or is that a phone-computer? Or a media player? You'll want to catch every minute of Ian Darwin's presentation on the OpenMoko project to find out all the details on this cool bit of embedded hardware. We're still adding speakers as they confirm, so keep an eye on the speakers page. We can't make Ontario Linux Fest a success without our speakers and the F/LOSS world is a better place for their code and projects and other contributions. Hotel room countdown We have discounted group rates at two hotels near the venue. If you are joining us from out of town (or plan to stay late at the reception) you can save by booking your room now. The Radisson is right next door to the venue and has given us a great price for their suites. But book now because they only offer the group rate until this Sunday 09 September. The Doubletree is just across the street and the price for their rooms is still good. The Doubletree group rate is valid until Wednesday, 12 September. http://onlinux.ca/hotel Attendee registration is climbing It is gratifying to see many of you registering in advance for Ontario Linux Fest. Attendance is climbing steadily and we know that it will ramp-up steeply as we get closer to the event. You can help us by starting that ramp-up now. There is no reason to hold Ontario Linux Fest without you. It is the community and the personalities and the networking that will make the most lasting impressions on you at Ontario Linux Fest. It is the conjunction of the strong local community and the influx of visiting regional and international enthusiasts that will make OLF shine. We look forward to seeing you at the event. Register at http://onlinux.ca/olfreg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 12:35:12 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:35:12 -0400 Subject: Locale/UTF8 problem in firefox In-Reply-To: <46DE00C4.2060705-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46DE00C4.2060705@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20070905123512.GD5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 09:05:08PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got an odd problem with firefox. I have a form that a user can > enter text into. On save, this is stored in a PostgreSQL database set to > UTF-8 (SET client_encoding = 'UTF8';). > > The problem is, if I enter a UTF8 string like: > > ????????? test. > > I can see it in the database as: > > nmc=> SELECT dom_admin_note FROM domains WHERE dom_id=2; > dom_admin_note > ---------------- > ????????? test. > (1 row) > > And when I print it to SYSLOG I see: > > [Tue Sep 4 20:55:24 2007] ga.cgi: ga.lib: 388; 'dom_admin_note': [?????? > ??? test.] > > But Firefox shows it as: > > > ?????????????????? test. > > First line is viewed in the document source, the second as it appears > in the forms 'textarea' field. This is a problem in itself, but doubly > so because if a user changes something else, this mangled string gets > saved over the good string. > > Has anyone else here seen a problem like this? Any idea what's going > on? My system's locale is 'en_CA.utf8', in case it matters. This error > happens even after having cleared the mangled text, re-entered the > Japanese text, resaved and redisplayed. Is your web server sending the header to indicate the page is in UTF-8? You can check by asking the browser for the page properties I believe (or just check which character encoding it is currently using). If the web server (or php script perhaps in this case) is sending the right headers then it should just work. Of course the other question is what format are you telling postgres that your queries are in? Is the database configured to operate in UNICODE mode? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 12:39:02 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:39:02 -0400 Subject: Locale/UTF8 problem in firefox In-Reply-To: <46DE3547.9040602-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46DE00C4.2060705@alteeve.com> <200709042321.48650.amarjan@pobox.com> <46DE3547.9040602@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20070905123902.GE5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 12:49:11AM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > Yeah, one of the things I looked into when trying to localize the > program. :/ > > > > ... > That is useless. Most browsers ignore that (in fact netscape 4 was the only one that always used it). Set the REAL headers on the http reply instead which as a script should not be difficult. One way to check the header is: lynx -head url If you see: Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 then it won't work. Your script should be able to control the headers sent out and include the correct charset in there. Forget the meta tage for that ever existed because it isn't part of any standard and doesn't work. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 13:48:55 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:48:55 -0400 Subject: Locale/UTF8 problem in firefox In-Reply-To: <20070905123512.GD5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46DE00C4.2060705@alteeve.com> <20070905123512.GD5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46DEB3C7.2090506@alteeve.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> I've got an odd problem with firefox. I have a form that a user can >> enter text into. On save, this is stored in a PostgreSQL database set to >> UTF-8 (SET client_encoding = 'UTF8';). > > Is your web server sending the header to indicate the page is in UTF-8? > You can check by asking the browser for the page properties I believe > (or just check which character encoding it is currently using). If the > web server (or php script perhaps in this case) is sending the right > headers then it should just work. > > Of course the other question is what format are you telling postgres > that your queries are in? Is the database configured to operate in > UNICODE mode? Hi Len, The DB is set to 'UTF8' encoding (see above). I am using perl, and when I print the header I do: eval 'use CGI::Carp "fatalsToBrowser"'; print "Content-type: text/html\n\n"; # Tell perl that we are printing UTF8 binmode STDOUT, ":utf8"; But I will try changing to: print "Content-type: text/html; charset=utf8\n\n"; ... Nope, still screwed up. :( Here is what 'lynx -head http://localhost' shows: HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:47:08 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.3 (Ubuntu) Last-Modified: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:49:47 GMT ETag: "19018e-ea-a4b69cc0" Accept-Ranges: bytes Content-Length: 234 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 I'll play around some more with the 'charset' command (and by play, I mean "google". :) ). Any idea what I might be screwing up still? I'll also pull the head meta tag, too. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 13:54:24 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:54:24 -0400 Subject: Solved! (was: Re:Locale/UTF8 problem in firefox) In-Reply-To: <46DEB3C7.2090506-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46DE00C4.2060705@alteeve.com> <20070905123512.GD5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DEB3C7.2090506@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <46DEB510.8020706@alteeve.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > # Tell perl that we are printing UTF8 > binmode STDOUT, ":utf8"; Got it, that line there was the problem. Why, I don't know, but maybe it was trying to convert utf8 to utf8 and garbling itself? Just a guess. Commenting it out fixes it though. Regardless; Lennart, Andrej and Evan, Thank you all!! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 14:43:09 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:43:09 -0400 Subject: Locale/UTF8 problem in firefox In-Reply-To: <46DEB3C7.2090506-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46DE00C4.2060705@alteeve.com> <20070905123512.GD5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DEB3C7.2090506@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20070905144309.GF5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 09:48:55AM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > The DB is set to 'UTF8' encoding (see above). I am using perl, and > when I print the header I do: > > eval 'use CGI::Carp "fatalsToBrowser"'; > print "Content-type: text/html\n\n"; > > # Tell perl that we are printing UTF8 > binmode STDOUT, ":utf8"; > > But I will try changing to: > > print "Content-type: text/html; charset=utf8\n\n"; > > ... Nope, still screwed up. :( > > Here is what 'lynx -head http://localhost' shows: > > HTTP/1.1 200 OK > Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:47:08 GMT > Server: Apache/2.2.3 (Ubuntu) > Last-Modified: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:49:47 GMT > ETag: "19018e-ea-a4b69cc0" > Accept-Ranges: bytes > Content-Length: 234 > Connection: close > Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 > > I'll play around some more with the 'charset' command (and by play, I > mean "google". :) ). Any idea what I might be screwing up still? I'll > also pull the head meta tag, too. Have you compared the string you sent to the DB with the string you retrieve from the DB (do a verify read right after writing it)? If the strings match, then it must be an issue with how the script is sending it to the browser, otherwise you have a problem with your method for retreiving data from the database. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 15:49:51 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:49:51 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <20070905005023.GC5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <20070903142054.GA11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD64F3.2030608@chrisaitken.net> <20070904145248.GH11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD86CB.4000107@chrisaitken.net> <46DD8D5F.3080304@chrisaitken.net> <20070904200205.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DDD918.7070200@chrisaitken.net> <20070905005023.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46DED01F.3090506@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well TRS literally just means Tip Ring Sleeve. A stereo jack is a TRS > jack, but it is not a balanced signal. "jack" meaning the port (the hole you are plugging into) or the male end of a cable? > It seems often TRS is used to > refer to balanced, and TS (Tip Sleeve (no ring)) is used to refer to > unbalanced [both mono of course]. > And this is wrong? > And yes you got it right. All you can visibly see is that it is a 1/4" > jack. You need to know by the specs if it is a stereo jack, or a > balanced or unbalanced mono jack. > So, you need the specs to know if the port (jack) is stereo, balanced or unbalanced (mono). But is a TRS cable always capable of stereo and balanced signal (depending on whether the port you are plugging into transmits stereo or balanced signal)? Or is there balanced TRS and stereo TRS and never the twain shall meet? In that case, again, I would need to know (specs) whether it was stereo TRS or balanced TRS? I guess until I get an answer to that I would be safe as long as any TRS I use I am assured is balanced and any port (jack) I plug it into I am assured is balanced. At least now I understand why you still need L and R ports for balanced. It's because L and R are carrying their respective parts of the stereo whole, and balanced has to do with noise reduction. Chris P.S. I would still like to know if all TRS cables are both stereo and balanced at the same time (meaning the stereo or balanced application would have to do with the port (jack) it's plugging into). I fear the answer to this question is 'No', which means I will have to replace some of my cables. I probably would have had to replace them anyway as the local recording guru advises I use military grade cabling (which, I assume, ain't the stuff they flog at The Source). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 16:50:43 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:50:43 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DED01F.3090506-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <20070903142054.GA11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD64F3.2030608@chrisaitken.net> <20070904145248.GH11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD86CB.4000107@chrisaitken.net> <46DD8D5F.3080304@chrisaitken.net> <20070904200205.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DDD918.7070200@chrisaitken.net> <20070905005023.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DED01F.3090506@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070905165043.GG5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 11:49:51AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > So, you need the specs to know if the port (jack) is stereo, balanced or > unbalanced (mono). But is a TRS cable always capable of stereo and > balanced signal (depending on whether the port you are plugging into > transmits stereo or balanced signal)? Or is there balanced TRS and > stereo TRS and never the twain shall meet? In that case, again, I would > need to know (specs) whether it was stereo TRS or balanced TRS? Yes a TRS cable with 3 conductors will carry either a stereo signal or a balanced audio signal depending on the equipment you connect it to. So as long as both pieces of equipment have the same interface the cable will work. It won't work connecting a balanced output to a stereo input since that just doesn't work. > I guess until I get an answer to that I would be safe as long as any TRS > I use I am assured is balanced and any port (jack) I plug it into I am > assured is balanced. At least now I understand why you still need L and > R ports for balanced. It's because L and R are carrying their respective > parts of the stereo whole, and balanced has to do with noise reduction. Yep. > P.S. I would still like to know if all TRS cables are both stereo and > balanced at the same time (meaning the stereo or balanced application > would have to do with the port (jack) it's plugging into). I fear the > answer to this question is 'No', which means I will have to replace some > of my cables. I probably would have had to replace them anyway as the > local recording guru advises I use military grade cabling (which, I > assume, ain't the stuff they flog at The Source). The cable is the same. So if you have a bunch of "stereo" 1/4" patch cords, you can use them as balanced audio cables if you want. You of course need two cables to get stereo for balanced since each only carries one channel. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 17:30:29 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:30:29 +0000 Subject: Interesting blog entry about NetApp lawsuit with Sun over ZFS Message-ID: Apparent facts: - Sun got "sue-happy" with NetApp over some patents they had; - NetApp fired back with "um, I think you're infringing US with what you're doing with ZFS" Dave Hitz's blog discusses this the matter, and is careful to draw out the point that they are not keen on being compared with SCO... At any rate, this looks as though it might be a tad "chilling" against ZFS adoption. Not that ZFS-on-Linux has been of terribly much use thus far... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 19:13:48 2007 From: interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Interlug Lists) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:13:48 -0400 Subject: VMware at KWLUG Message-ID: <408ae1640709051213o1c7495e9q9bbb159666452362@mail.gmail.com> VMware is presenting at KWLUG on Monday, 10 Septemeber 2007 http://kwlug.org/ As always, our friends from Toronto and all other area LUGs are more than welcome to attend. See the web site for directions. I've just heard from VMware and they are still hiring folks with Linux backgrounds for their Burlington office. Specifically for: Enterprise Technical Support Engineer (Fault Group) Enterprise Technical Support Engineer (Networking) Enterprise Technical Support Engineer (Storage) Enterprise Technical Support Engineer (Systems Management) You can find all of their postings here www.vmware.com/company/jobs/openings/ If you plan to apply, and attend KWLUG, get in touch with them now, so you can introduce yourself at the meeting. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 21:15:56 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: fun with GPL Message-ID: Poking at a company apparently violating the GPL: http://myhava.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=499 Notice how they poke back. As you might guess, I'm "Hugh" on that forum. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 21:45:27 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:45:27 -0400 Subject: fun with GPL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99a6c38f0709051445v4a4fdc4ch3bfb8debc9ae0062@mail.gmail.com> On 9/5/07, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Poking at a company apparently violating the GPL: > http://myhava.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=499 > Notice how they poke back. Now that's Snappy! (lol) > As you might guess, I'm "Hugh" on that forum. It'd be interesting to see the fallout from posting the story to /. Sounds kinda fishy to be sure. - Scott. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 22:07:57 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: fun with GPL In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0709051445v4a4fdc4ch3bfb8debc9ae0062-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709051445v4a4fdc4ch3bfb8debc9ae0062@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Scott Elcomb | It'd be interesting to see the fallout from posting the story to /. | Sounds kinda fishy to be sure. Tempting as that is, I don't think that that is the best next step if the goal is to get conformance. Mind you, by that logic, I should not have posted to TLUG. But I wanted to share my shock and horror. Don't tell. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 22:14:38 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:14:38 -0700 Subject: Hava software (Monsoon Multimedia/Snappymultimedia) GPL violation Message-ID: <3a97ef0709051514u465fa5bdhd2e5599df50228e7@mail.gmail.com> FYI All, Passing this along to the busybox GPL-violation address. This software appears to be violating the GPL by using BusyBox without the source, and subsequently threatening users for reverse-engineering ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: D. Hugh Redelmeier Date: Sep 5, 2007 2:15 PM Subject: [TLUG]: fun with GPL To: Toronto Linux Users Group Poking at a company apparently violating the GPL: http://myhava.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=499 Notice how they poke back. As you might guess, I'm "Hugh" on that forum. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 22:35:48 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:35:48 -0700 Subject: fun with GPL In-Reply-To: References: <99a6c38f0709051445v4a4fdc4ch3bfb8debc9ae0062@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709051535n7175eb46taeb1ee2aefe225a1@mail.gmail.com> Well, as you may have noticed I did pass along that email to the GPL violations address at busybox. If anyone should be talking to them about abiding the GPL it should be the owners of the software license that is being violated On 9/5/07, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Scott Elcomb > > | It'd be interesting to see the fallout from posting the story to /. > | Sounds kinda fishy to be sure. > > Tempting as that is, I don't think that that is the best next step if > the goal is to get conformance. > > Mind you, by that logic, I should not have posted to TLUG. But I > wanted to share my shock and horror. Don't tell. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 5 23:17:23 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:17:23 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DED01F.3090506-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <20070903142054.GA11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD64F3.2030608@chrisaitken.net> <20070904145248.GH11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD86CB.4000107@chrisaitken.net> <46DD8D5F.3080304@chrisaitken.net> <20070904200205.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DDD918.7070200@chrisaitken.net> <20070905005023.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DED01F.3090506@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46DF3903.8040806@chrisaitken.net> Damn, -I got a response to this but i deleted it by mistake. can someone resend it? Thanks, Chris Chris Aitken wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > >> Well TRS literally just means Tip Ring Sleeve. A stereo jack is a TRS >> jack, but it is not a balanced signal. > "jack" meaning the port (the hole you are plugging into) or the male > end of a cable? >> It seems often TRS is used to >> refer to balanced, and TS (Tip Sleeve (no ring)) is used to refer to >> unbalanced [both mono of course]. >> > And this is wrong? >> And yes you got it right. All you can visibly see is that it is a 1/4" >> jack. You need to know by the specs if it is a stereo jack, or a >> balanced or unbalanced mono jack. >> > So, you need the specs to know if the port (jack) is stereo, balanced > or unbalanced (mono). But is a TRS cable always capable of stereo and > balanced signal (depending on whether the port you are plugging into > transmits stereo or balanced signal)? Or is there balanced TRS and > stereo TRS and never the twain shall meet? In that case, again, I > would need to know (specs) whether it was stereo TRS or balanced TRS? > > I guess until I get an answer to that I would be safe as long as any > TRS I use I am assured is balanced and any port (jack) I plug it into > I am assured is balanced. At least now I understand why you still need > L and R ports for balanced. It's because L and R are carrying their > respective parts of the stereo whole, and balanced has to do with > noise reduction. > > Chris > > P.S. I would still like to know if all TRS cables are both stereo and > balanced at the same time (meaning the stereo or balanced application > would have to do with the port (jack) it's plugging into). I fear the > answer to this question is 'No', which means I will have to replace > some of my cables. I probably would have had to replace them anyway as > the local recording guru advises I use military grade cabling (which, > I assume, ain't the stuff they flog at The Source). > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 6 00:49:34 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:49:34 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46DF3903.8040806-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20070903142054.GA11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD64F3.2030608@chrisaitken.net> <20070904145248.GH11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD86CB.4000107@chrisaitken.net> <46DD8D5F.3080304@chrisaitken.net> <20070904200205.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DDD918.7070200@chrisaitken.net> <20070905005023.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DED01F.3090506@chrisaitken.net> <46DF3903.8040806@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070906004934.GH5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 07:17:23PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > Damn, -I got a response to this but i deleted it by mistake. can someone > resend it? I bounced a copy of my reply to it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 6 01:36:57 2007 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:36:57 -0400 Subject: Debian Net Install Message-ID: <200709052136.57632.mervc@eol.ca> I have just done my second Net install and again have a Perl, locales issue. This didn't happen on the KDE Desktop install that I did. After each new app install there are messages perl: warning Setting locale failed perl: please check that you locale settings LANG=en_CA.UTF-8 are supported and installed etc for LC_ALL, LC_CTYPE and LANGUAGE perl: falling back to locale ("C") The env command shows LANG="en_CA.UTF-8" The desktop and Net-installs have the same locale and Perl files. After running 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and selecting en_CA.UTF-8 the result is these same messages are popping up from perl when dpkg-* ends. There hasn't been a problem that I am aware of on the first Net-Install of several months ago, but these error messages bug me. I have searched the Debian Wiki without getting more clues. Should I just continue to ignore this or might someone [like our resident Debian guru] have an idea? Thanks -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Debian Sid Linux Desktop KDE 3.5.7 KMail 1.9.5 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 6 01:52:04 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:52:04 -0400 Subject: Debian Net Install In-Reply-To: <200709052136.57632.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200709052136.57632.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <46DF5D44.9030801@utoronto.ca> Merv Curley wrote: > I have just done my second Net install and again have a Perl, locales issue. > This didn't happen on the KDE Desktop install that I did. > > After each new app install there are messages > > perl: warning Setting locale failed > perl: please check that you locale settings LANG=en_CA.UTF-8 are supported and > installed > > etc for LC_ALL, LC_CTYPE and LANGUAGE > > perl: falling back to locale ("C") > > The env command shows LANG="en_CA.UTF-8" > > The desktop and Net-installs have the same locale and Perl files. > > After running 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and selecting en_CA.UTF-8 the result > is these same messages are popping up from perl when dpkg-* ends. > > There hasn't been a problem that I am aware of on the first Net-Install of > several months ago, but these error messages bug me. I have searched the > Debian Wiki without getting more clues. > > Should I just continue to ignore this or might someone [like our resident > Debian guru] have an idea? Once you pick your locale(s), I think you have to run locale-gen. That program compiles your charmap(s) into a binary form that locale() (the C function) can use. At least, that's how I understand it? Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 6 02:07:45 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:07:45 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <20070905165043.GG5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46DAF0D9.4000508@chrisaitken.net> <20070903142054.GA11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD64F3.2030608@chrisaitken.net> <20070904145248.GH11129@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DD86CB.4000107@chrisaitken.net> <46DD8D5F.3080304@chrisaitken.net> <20070904200205.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DDD918.7070200@chrisaitken.net> <20070905005023.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46DED01F.3090506@chrisaitken.net> <20070905165043.GG5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46DF60F1.9010607@chrisaitken.net> Sorry for the top post - didn't know where to insert this. I just want to say I get it and thanks again for the patience and clarity. Chris Aitken - wrote: > On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 11:49:51AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> So, you need the specs to know if the port (jack) is stereo, balanced or >> unbalanced (mono). But is a TRS cable always capable of stereo and >> balanced signal (depending on whether the port you are plugging into >> transmits stereo or balanced signal)? Or is there balanced TRS and >> stereo TRS and never the twain shall meet? In that case, again, I would >> need to know (specs) whether it was stereo TRS or balanced TRS? >> > > Yes a TRS cable with 3 conductors will carry either a stereo signal or a > balanced audio signal depending on the equipment you connect it to. So > as long as both pieces of equipment have the same interface the cable > will work. It won't work connecting a balanced output to a stereo input > since that just doesn't work. > > >> I guess until I get an answer to that I would be safe as long as any TRS >> I use I am assured is balanced and any port (jack) I plug it into I am >> assured is balanced. At least now I understand why you still need L and >> R ports for balanced. It's because L and R are carrying their respective >> parts of the stereo whole, and balanced has to do with noise reduction. >> > > Yep. > > >> P.S. I would still like to know if all TRS cables are both stereo and >> balanced at the same time (meaning the stereo or balanced application >> would have to do with the port (jack) it's plugging into). I fear the >> answer to this question is 'No', which means I will have to replace some >> of my cables. I probably would have had to replace them anyway as the >> local recording guru advises I use military grade cabling (which, I >> assume, ain't the stuff they flog at The Source). >> > > The cable is the same. So if you have a bunch of "stereo" 1/4" patch > cords, you can use them as balanced audio cables if you want. You of > course need two cables to get stereo for balanced since each only > carries one channel. > > -- > Len Sorensen > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 6 02:49:40 2007 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:49:40 -0400 Subject: Logitech Premium USB Headset 350 Message-ID: <46DF6AC4.3040702@pppoe.ca> Hi I'm interested in the Logitech Premium USB Headset 350. I did some "googling" and found that some users had problems getting it to work with Linux. http://users.skynet.be/bk329156/info.html "...so I recompiled the kernel, with the additional option 'sound - ALSA - USB devices - USB Audi/MIDI driver'. After this... adding the additional card for the headset worked, and the headset was visible in for instance skype or vlc..." http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=321404 "...the device has to be set up as /dev/dsp1..." Has anyone experience with it? I use Debian. Thanks in advance. Meng Cheah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 6 02:54:33 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: fun with GPL In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709051535n7175eb46taeb1ee2aefe225a1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709051445v4a4fdc4ch3bfb8debc9ae0062@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef0709051535n7175eb46taeb1ee2aefe225a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Tyler Aviss | Well, as you may have noticed I did pass along that email to the GPL | violations address at busybox. If anyone should be talking to them | about abiding the GPL it should be the owners of the software license | that is being violated I told them before I mailed this TLUG list. BTW, things get funnier, at least to me, as this progresses. It is mentioned on /. by someone: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=277903 I mentioned that fact on the Hava Forum and the Hava rep then commented on /. (the only comment so far). Have a read of the new items on the Forum too. http://myhava.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3439#3439 In /., the rep responded to my Forum posting. My favourite bit: I am struck that one of the people giving me the most grief about the GPL code doesn't even own our product. Apparently he learned what he knows by downloading the software, inspecting the binaries, and since he didn't actually ever install the software, he didn't have to view/accept the EULA or feel bound by its terms. Interesting. Is there an official slashdot stance on that? [He is refering to me as giving him grief.] An official /. stance? What a concept. He's surprised that I don't feel bound by terms that I could not know about. It's a loophole they intend to close, so download that firmware before it's too late! :-) Not being allowed to "reverse engineer, disassemble or decompile" GPLed software seems wrong. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 6 03:02:50 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 23:02:50 -0400 Subject: fun with GPL In-Reply-To: References: <99a6c38f0709051445v4a4fdc4ch3bfb8debc9ae0062@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef0709051535n7175eb46taeb1ee2aefe225a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DF6DDA.6030406@utoronto.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Tyler Aviss > > | Well, as you may have noticed I did pass along that email to the GPL > | violations address at busybox. If anyone should be talking to them > | about abiding the GPL it should be the owners of the software license > | that is being violated > > I told them before I mailed this TLUG list. > > BTW, things get funnier, at least to me, as this progresses. > > It is mentioned on /. by someone: > http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=277903 > > I mentioned that fact on the Hava Forum and the Hava rep then > commented on /. (the only comment so far). > > Have a read of the new items on the Forum too. > http://myhava.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3439#3439 > > In /., the rep responded to my Forum posting. My favourite bit: > > I am struck that one of the people giving me the most grief about > the GPL code doesn't even own our product. Apparently he learned > what he knows by downloading the software, inspecting the > binaries, and since he didn't actually ever install the software, > he didn't have to view/accept the EULA or feel bound by its terms. > Interesting. Is there an official slashdot stance on that? > > [He is refering to me as giving him grief.] > > An official /. stance? What a concept. > > He's surprised that I don't feel bound by terms that I could not know > about. > > It's a loophole they intend to close, so download that firmware before > it's too late! :-) > > Not being allowed to "reverse engineer, disassemble or decompile" GPLed > software seems wrong. You might point out that using contract law to violate the preexisting license is unacceptable, the whole point of the GPL is that you can't work around it in that manner. Ask if running "strings" counts as reverse engineering? Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 6 03:08:38 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:08:38 -0400 Subject: fun with GPL In-Reply-To: References: <99a6c38f0709051445v4a4fdc4ch3bfb8debc9ae0062@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef0709051535n7175eb46taeb1ee2aefe225a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0709052008q39bec081vd23e2a61bfd5ba67@mail.gmail.com> On 9/5/07, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > In /., the rep responded to my Forum posting. My favourite bit: > > I am struck that one of the people giving me the most grief about > the GPL code doesn't even own our product. Apparently he learned > what he knows by downloading the software, inspecting the > binaries, and since he didn't actually ever install the software, > he didn't have to view/accept the EULA or feel bound by its terms. > Interesting. Is there an official slashdot stance on that? > > [He is refering to me as giving him grief.] > > An official /. stance? What a concept. Yeah, I just read that too; been paying attention to "the story" on and off throughout the day. I was tempted to reply to his comment in your defense, but decided I'll continue to wait it out a bit. (The story hasn't surfaced from the Firehose yet, and I'm not really sure how to articulate my thoughts... Maybe tomorrow.) > Not being allowed to "reverse engineer, disassemble or decompile" GPLed > software seems wrong. Indeed, this was the part that made me think /. would be the place to bring it out in the open. That said, they appear to at least be starting work towards compliance - who knows how big the company is or how much "priority" it'll be assigned. Two things that really got my attention though, was the regular references to Microsoft on their website - and how often links to pages within the site break. I ran into the broken links a couple times but won't draw the problems out. Maybe I'll send a note along in an effort to "improve FOSS community relations." For now though I'm just in wait-and-see mode. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 6 03:38:02 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:38:02 -0400 Subject: fun with GPL In-Reply-To: <46DF6DDA.6030406-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709051445v4a4fdc4ch3bfb8debc9ae0062@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef0709051535n7175eb46taeb1ee2aefe225a1@mail.gmail.com> <46DF6DDA.6030406@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0709052038kd0fb491qcab0914ce12db5bf@mail.gmail.com> On 9/5/07, Jamon Camisso wrote: > You might point out that using contract law to violate the preexisting > license is unacceptable, the whole point of the GPL is that you can't > work around it in that manner. Ask if running "strings" counts as > reverse engineering? Funny, I've been looking at the LGPL and GPL 3 licenses; I'm considering upgrading the license on Atomic OS to provide better security (through code transparency) for "my" end users. I've asked licensing-dGWS0fDw8IM at public.gmane.org if they have any comments or recommendations on this, but haven't heard anything as yet. I'm not sure I'll get a response - they're a busy group of volunteers who expect folks to do at least some of their homework. (Part of the Free and Open Source Software ethos, and a large part of why I believe LUG's are "on the front line.") Not trying to hijack the thread but does anyone (esp. project maintainers) have any thoughts or suggestions about the upgrading of licenses within their projects? -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 6 04:47:07 2007 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:47:07 -0400 Subject: Debian Net Install In-Reply-To: <46DF5D44.9030801-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200709052136.57632.mervc@eol.ca> <46DF5D44.9030801@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <200709060047.07226.mervc@eol.ca> On Wednesday 05 September 2007 21:52, Jamon Camisso wrote: > > There hasn't been a problem that I am aware of on the first Net-Install > > of several months ago, but these error messages bug me. I have searched > > the Debian Wiki without getting more clues. > > > > Should I just continue to ignore this or might someone [like our resident > > Debian guru] have an idea? > > Once you pick your locale(s), I think you have to run locale-gen. That > program compiles your charmap(s) into a binary form that locale() (the C > function) can use. At least, that's how I understand it? > I did run locale-gen, not because I knew exactly what it did but because it was suggested on the Wiki. One more thing I didn't say - From another suggestion on the Debian Wiki, I had added lines in /etc/profile exporting en_CA as the value for LC_ALL, LC_CTYPE and LANGUAGE. Now locale started reporting it couldn't find the file 'en_CA'. So I tried one more thing. I changed export LC_ALL=en_CA to export LC_ALL=en_CA.UTF-8 and error messages from perl and locale have stopped. This doesn't explain why the LC_ALL has to be set when it isn't for the Etch Debian Desktop but I accept that the annoying messages have gone away. Now to try it on my first Net-Install system. Thanks for the quick response Jamon. Cheerio -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Debian Sid Linux Desktop KDE 3.5.7 KMail 1.9.5 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 6 08:18:14 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:18:14 +0000 Subject: fun with GPL In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0709052008q39bec081vd23e2a61bfd5ba67-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709051445v4a4fdc4ch3bfb8debc9ae0062@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef0709051535n7175eb46taeb1ee2aefe225a1@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f0709052008q39bec081vd23e2a61bfd5ba67@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709060118j592c6c04v8afb8c118642487f@mail.gmail.com> What got my attention was this further comment by Gary: Interesting end-run around the EULA. We'll have to make it a condition of downloading the software. I'd have to say that yes, he doesn't understand the GPL. Plenty of companies are happy to "be coming with the code" for weeks, months, or even years, so an article on slashdot is usually a good way to bring it to their attention that people are watching, and waiting. It looks like a neat tool, so hopefully they fix the GPL issues by releasing the source, dumping the conflicting license/EULA terms, and end up with a better product (and hopefully a Linux version) in the future. On 9/6/07, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 9/5/07, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > In /., the rep responded to my Forum posting. My favourite bit: > > > > I am struck that one of the people giving me the most grief about > > the GPL code doesn't even own our product. Apparently he learned > > what he knows by downloading the software, inspecting the > > binaries, and since he didn't actually ever install the software, > > he didn't have to view/accept the EULA or feel bound by its terms. > > Interesting. Is there an official slashdot stance on that? > > > > [He is refering to me as giving him grief.] > > > > An official /. stance? What a concept. > > Yeah, I just read that too; been paying attention to "the story" on > and off throughout the day. I was tempted to reply to his comment in > your defense, but decided I'll continue to wait it out a bit. (The > story hasn't surfaced from the Firehose yet, and I'm not really sure > how to articulate my thoughts... Maybe tomorrow.) > > > Not being allowed to "reverse engineer, disassemble or decompile" GPLed > > software seems wrong. > > Indeed, this was the part that made me think /. would be the place to > bring it out in the open. That said, they appear to at least be > starting work towards compliance - who knows how big the company is or > how much "priority" it'll be assigned. > > Two things that really got my attention though, was the regular > references to Microsoft on their website - and how often links to > pages within the site break. I ran into the broken links a couple > times but won't draw the problems out. Maybe I'll send a note along > in an effort to "improve FOSS community relations." For now though > I'm just in wait-and-see mode. > > -- > Scott Elcomb > http://www.psema4.com/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 6 14:01:51 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: fun with GPL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Poking at a company apparently violating the GPL: > http://myhava.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=499 > Notice how they poke back. > > As you might guess, I'm "Hugh" on that forum. Hi Hugh. Do you know about http://www.gpl-violations.org/ ? Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 6 18:19:17 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:19:17 -0700 Subject: fun with GPL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a97ef0709061119x666bedd4qed78141c3f1108b6@mail.gmail.com> Larry doesn't quite seem to understand things - either the GPL or what reverse engineering is - as well. From slashdot: #2 Another concern I have about people inspecting the code is that someone is going to feel compelled to pull it apart, as already evidenced, and while sections of it are certainly GPL, sections are also Monsoon IP. Also, some of the algorithms and binaries are actually IP of our silicon vendors - they are the drivers and covered by NDA to companies with greater legal resources than Monsoon. He'd better hope that they've somehow managed to make it so that this expensive IP isn't affected by the GPL... but somehow I doubt it. #5 I find claims that using a string scanner is not "reverse engineering" the binary to be disingenuous. A person has used indirect means to deduce (some or all of) the internal structure of a system that they had no prior knowledge of. Clarifying the intent only goes so far as to lend legitimacy to the activity, but it does not change what it is. I have reverse engineered stuff too (oops, statute of limitations y'know). It's actually pretty fun (for geeks with spare time anyway). "I've reversed engineered stuff too, so I must know what I'm talking about." Hmm, at any rate he doesn't really seem to understand the purpose of "strings" On 9/6/07, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > > Poking at a company apparently violating the GPL: > > http://myhava.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=499 > > Notice how they poke back. > > > > As you might guess, I'm "Hugh" on that forum. > > Hi Hugh. Do you know about http://www.gpl-violations.org/ ? > > Cheers, > > Rob > > > -- > "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." > -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 6 20:32:52 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:32:52 -0400 Subject: Squid and ntlm Message-ID: <20070906203246.48EA74C9CC@mail.starnix.com> i'm trying to make a squid installation deal with a single user who needs access to a site using "ntlm" authentication. Most of the squid/ntlm stuff on the web talks about authenticating to a local samba system, not a remote site. Any help or pointers are appreciated. Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 6 21:27:55 2007 From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:27:55 -0400 Subject: It's official... FLOSS is everywhere. Message-ID: Today I helped unpack and set up my dad's new 40" LCD Sony BRAVIA television. In the box, among the various manuals and warranty cards, what do I find? A copy of the GPL!! Apparently some part of the TV's internals uses GPL licensed code, and the paper is the GNU GPL V2, plus the locaction where you can get the source code. Here's the URL: http://products.sel.sony.com/opensource/source_bivl.shtml Now I wonder if I can get a shell prompt... :-) pm -- Paul Mora Registered Linux user #2065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 6 21:50:08 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:50:08 -0400 Subject: It's official... FLOSS is everywhere. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070906215008.GI5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 05:27:55PM -0400, Paul Mora wrote: > Today I helped unpack and set up my dad's new 40" LCD Sony BRAVIA > television. In the box, among the various manuals and warranty cards, what > do I find? > > A copy of the GPL!! > > Apparently some part of the TV's internals uses GPL licensed code, and the > paper is the GNU GPL V2, plus the locaction where you can get the source > code. Here's the URL: > http://products.sel.sony.com/opensource/source_bivl.shtml > > Now I wonder if I can get a shell prompt... :-) Probably by soldering to some pads or connecting to some internal pins. :) So it has some mips32 CPU used for some internet link thingy? openssl for https I guess zlib for stream compression support png for handling compressed images freetype to handle displaying ttf fonts curl to connect to urls and transfer files uclibc + busybox + kernel for the basic system So what do they claim it is capable of doing with that feature? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 7 05:08:24 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 01:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Next meeting Message-ID: Ok, the debate idea didn't fly (I've been involved with one of these before and it was fun). I have a backup plan. I'm a bit tired right now so I'll expand on this tomorrow. Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 7 10:32:54 2007 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:32:54 -0400 Subject: It's official... FLOSS is everywhere. In-Reply-To: ; from paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org on Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 17:27:55 -0400 References: Message-ID: <20070907103254.GC1973@localhost> On Thu Sep 06,2007 05:27:55 PM Paul Mora wrote: > Today I helped unpack and set up my dad's new 40" LCD Sony BRAVIA > television. In the box, among the various manuals and warranty > cards, what > do I find? > > A copy of the GPL!! The same is true for some Samsung TV's. Near the back of the manual for the HL-T5687 and also the HL-T5689 there is a GPL license. They say they use the Linux kernel, BusyBox, and (if I remember correctly) libgphoto2. For anyone interested, the manuals are available online from -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 7 12:48:40 2007 From: interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Interlug Lists) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:48:40 -0400 Subject: Using a handheld GPS for aviation In-Reply-To: <46d731b6.0e2b400a.06ae.ffffa0bd-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46d731b6.0e2b400a.06ae.ffffa0bd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <408ae1640709070548x2853da77i68bfe8132a24ef8e@mail.gmail.com> On 8/30/07, Kareem Shehata wrote: > Lastly, does anyone have experience with custom mapping? It would be great > to have full aviation maps on a handheld garmin, but that's getting a little > too advanced for me! When I hear "custom maps" I think http://openstreetmap.org/ You can see that their volunteers are making progress mapping the world. Even coverage in Toronto is improving. http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=5421106.21578&lon=-8840341.69958&zoom=12&layers=B00 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 7 18:36:01 2007 From: slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (SlackRat) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:36:01 +0200 Subject: PicoTux Message-ID: <87642m9vce.fsf@azurservers.com> I was wondering if there are any useful applications that can be run on what is advertized as "The worlds smallest computer" I am quite intrigued by it. http://www.picotux.com/ -- SlackRat - No 4Q to Reply -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 7 18:52:30 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:52:30 -0700 Subject: PicoTux In-Reply-To: <87642m9vce.fsf-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA@public.gmane.org> References: <87642m9vce.fsf@azurservers.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709071152m5445291fld3a97d91e4ee02b9@mail.gmail.com> Monitoring tools? Something that doesn't require a display? Etherboot or NFS-boot it, and perhaps if you could hack something with a sensor up on the null-modem/serial cable you might be able to have it control robotics tools from a PC, or perhaps security/monitoring equipment, sensors, etc. As per the technical specs: Two communication interfaces are provided, 10/100 Mbit half/full duplex Ethernet and a serial port with up to 230.400 baud.Five additional lines can be used for either general input/output or serial handshaking. So technically you could hook up a bunch of the serial ports to various compatible peripherals. On 9/7/07, SlackRat wrote: > > I was wondering if there are any useful applications that can be run > on what is advertized as "The worlds smallest computer" > > I am quite intrigued by it. > > http://www.picotux.com/ > > -- > SlackRat - No 4Q to Reply > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 7 18:53:54 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:53:54 -0400 Subject: PicoTux In-Reply-To: <87642m9vce.fsf-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA@public.gmane.org> References: <87642m9vce.fsf@azurservers.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0709071153w25384f5ex552bcd2ae4f8ce71@mail.gmail.com> On 9/7/07, SlackRat wrote: > I was wondering if there are any useful applications that can be run > on what is advertized as "The worlds smallest computer" That'd be the "world's smallest _Linux_ computer." The fact that it can be used as a webserver might prove very useful for (incredibly!) tiny appliances. If there were an easy way to expand it's memory, say with USB 2, the device would probably be invaluable for appliance manufacturers. As it is, I don't think (but don't quote me) that Perl or PHP could be installed on the device, so all web scripts would have to be compiled C/C++ or Fortran. (Never heard of web scripts written in Fortran, but can't see why it wouldn't be possible in principle.) The specs say there are "General Input/Output Pins(TTL)," but I'm not sure what kind of hardware interface that is supposed to represent. > I am quite intrigued by it. > > http://www.picotux.com/ Damn but that's small! -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 7 19:06:14 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:06:14 -0400 Subject: PicoTux In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0709071153w25384f5ex552bcd2ae4f8ce71-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <87642m9vce.fsf@azurservers.com> <99a6c38f0709071153w25384f5ex552bcd2ae4f8ce71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/7/07, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 9/7/07, SlackRat wrote: > > I was wondering if there are any useful applications that can be run > > on what is advertized as "The worlds smallest computer" > > That'd be the "world's smallest _Linux_ computer." The fact that it > can be used as a webserver might prove very useful for (incredibly!) > tiny appliances. > > If there were an easy way to expand it's memory, say with USB 2, the > device would probably be invaluable for appliance manufacturers. As > it is, I don't think (but don't quote me) that Perl or PHP could be > installed on the device, so all web scripts would have to be compiled > C/C++ or Fortran. (Never heard of web scripts written in Fortran, but > can't see why it wouldn't be possible in principle.) > > The specs say there are "General Input/Output Pins(TTL)," but I'm not > sure what kind of hardware interface that is supposed to represent. > > > I am quite intrigued by it. > > > > http://www.picotux.com/ > > Damn but that's small! There is a site that describes how to reconfigure it... http://daduke.org/picotux/ In principle, it *could* run PHP and such, if all the code (including binaries) was being hosted on an NFS mount. You'd still want to keep sizes of things down to minimize the degree to which network bandwidth kills performance. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 8 11:25:44 2007 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 07:25:44 -0400 Subject: Using a handheld GPS for aviation In-Reply-To: <408ae1640709070548x2853da77i68bfe8132a24ef8e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>; from interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org on Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 08:48:40 -0400 References: <46d731b6.0e2b400a.06ae.ffffa0bd@mx.google.com> <408ae1640709070548x2853da77i68bfe8132a24ef8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070908112544.GC1969@localhost> On Fri Sep 07,2007 08:48:40 AM Interlug Lists wrote: > When I hear "custom maps" I think http://openstreetmap.org/ Or for Garmin units: and -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 9 18:58:44 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:58:44 -0400 Subject: Using Photoshop patterns in Gimp Message-ID: <20070909145844.2257a61e@node1.freeyourmachine.org> I found some pretty cool patterns on DeviantArt that are made for use with Photoshop. They come in a .pat format, which Gimp is supposed to be able to load, but Gimp errors on trying to load them with 'Unknown pattern format version 65536'. Anyone out there have any experience with this, maybe even know how to get these working in Gimp? Thanks! -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: Grab a shovel. I'm only one skull short of a Mousketeer reunion. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 9 19:01:58 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 15:01:58 -0400 Subject: Using Photoshop patterns in Gimp In-Reply-To: <20070909145844.2257a61e-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20070909145844.2257a61e@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <46E44326.6040405@utoronto.ca> JoeHill wrote: > I found some pretty cool patterns on DeviantArt that are made for use with > Photoshop. They come in a .pat format, which Gimp is supposed to be able to > load, but Gimp errors on trying to load them with 'Unknown pattern format > version 65536'. > > Anyone out there have any experience with this, maybe even know how to get > these working in Gimp? > > Thanks! > URL? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 9 19:17:24 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:17:24 -0400 Subject: Using Photoshop patterns in Gimp In-Reply-To: <46E44326.6040405-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20070909145844.2257a61e@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46E44326.6040405@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20070909151724.0a929455@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Jamon Camisso left a post-it on the fridge: > JoeHill wrote: > > I found some pretty cool patterns on DeviantArt that are made for use with > > Photoshop. They come in a .pat format, which Gimp is supposed to be able to > > load, but Gimp errors on trying to load them with 'Unknown pattern format > > version 65536'. > > > > Anyone out there have any experience with this, maybe even know how to get > > these working in Gimp? > > > > Thanks! > > > > URL? http://shattereddesigns07.deviantart.com/art/Shattereds-Patterns-60463454 If you're interested, there are some nice Gimp brushes on there too. My daughter loves those :) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Hermes to Bender: "What did you get her, you mushy gizmo?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 9 22:51:32 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:51:32 -0400 Subject: Using Photoshop patterns in Gimp In-Reply-To: <20070909151724.0a929455-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20070909145844.2257a61e@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46E44326.6040405@utoronto.ca> <20070909151724.0a929455@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0709091551l4b863994o97000022ae12a950@mail.gmail.com> On 9/9/07, JoeHill wrote: > Jamon Camisso left a post-it on the fridge: > > JoeHill wrote: > > > I found some pretty cool patterns on DeviantArt that are made for use with > > > Photoshop. They come in a .pat format, which Gimp is supposed to be able to > > > load, but Gimp errors on trying to load them with 'Unknown pattern format > > > version 65536'. > > > > > > Anyone out there have any experience with this, maybe even know how to get > > > these working in Gimp? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > URL? > > http://shattereddesigns07.deviantart.com/art/Shattereds-Patterns-60463454 You can't import Photoshop patterns: http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-concepts-patterns.html http://www.gimptalk.com/forum/topic/Using-Photoshop-pat-files-in-GIMP-16525-1.html#131667 You can however turn any PNG, JPEG, BMP, GIF, or TIFF image into a Gimp pattern simply by saving it with the .pat extension in your ~/gimp-2.2/patterns folder. You can "import" them by chopping out each of the patterns separately, then saving each of them with the .pat extension as described above. HTH, - Scott. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 10 01:34:33 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:34:33 -0400 Subject: Using Photoshop patterns in Gimp In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0709091551l4b863994o97000022ae12a950-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070909145844.2257a61e@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46E44326.6040405@utoronto.ca> <20070909151724.0a929455@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <99a6c38f0709091551l4b863994o97000022ae12a950@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070909213433.3335f493@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Scott Elcomb left a post-it on the fridge: > On 9/9/07, JoeHill wrote: > > Jamon Camisso left a post-it on the fridge: > > > JoeHill wrote: > > > > I found some pretty cool patterns on DeviantArt that are made for use > > > > with Photoshop. They come in a .pat format, which Gimp is supposed to > > > > be able to load, but Gimp errors on trying to load them with 'Unknown > > > > pattern format version 65536'. > > > > > > > > Anyone out there have any experience with this, maybe even know how to > > > > get these working in Gimp? > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > URL? > > > > http://shattereddesigns07.deviantart.com/art/Shattereds-Patterns-60463454 > > You can't import Photoshop patterns: > http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-concepts-patterns.html > http://www.gimptalk.com/forum/topic/Using-Photoshop-pat-files-in- > GIMP-16525-1.html#131667 That's a good site. Found that when I was googling around, though I did not find that page. > You can however turn any PNG, JPEG, BMP, GIF, or TIFF image into a > Gimp pattern simply by saving it with the .pat extension in your > ~/gimp-2.2/patterns folder. > > You can "import" them by chopping out each of the patterns separately, > then saving each of them with the .pat extension as described above. Ah, okay, good to know. I ended up finding an old copy of PS 7 and installing it with Wine. Works pretty good, actually. I've been loading the patterns in PS and then saving as a PSD, Gimp can open those okay. The method you describe will save a lot of fiddling. Strangely enough, there are some patterns on DeviantArt that come in the form of a PSD that even PS 7 cannot open. Having been using Linux so exclusively for 5 years, it's kinda weird to run into all these incompatibilities. I'd forgotten what that was like. Getting spoiled, I guess ;) Thanks! -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "But suppose we sent a crew to plant an explosive precisely on the fault line between this mass of coffee grounds and this deposit of America Online floppy disks." -Professor "In theory, it could work." -General "In theory, perhaps, but you'll never find a crew willing to take on a mission so suicidally dangerous." -Wernstrom "Aw, jeez." -Bender -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 10 03:26:15 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 23:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: question on personal and field specific ispell word lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10556.74.99.32.193.1189394775.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > > Hi All, > > I am having a bit of trouble finding/setting up my personal wordlist > for ispell (for use with emacs on ubuntu) and was wondering if anyone > might have any suggestions? > Dunno if this will help, but here is a paper I wrote on 'ispell'. http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock/papers/using-ispell.pdf -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 10 03:20:48 2007 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 23:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: question on personal and field specific ispell word lists Message-ID: Hi All, I am having a bit of trouble finding/setting up my personal wordlist for ispell (for use with emacs on ubuntu) and was wondering if anyone might have any suggestions? >From my web search: (http://docs.babitch.com/O'Reilly/unix/upt/ch29_05.htm) I got the impression that my word list would go in the file: ~/.ispell_words. However, I don't have this file, when I created this file and added words to it, the words were not recognized by emacs. So I'm trying to figure out where I should place my word list or what it is I'm doing wrong in setting up the personal dictionary. Somewhat related to this, I found a list of dictionaries at http://fmg-www.cs.ucla.edu/geoff/ispell-dictionaries.html. I was looking for wordlists in economics, econometrics or statistics, but the only field-related wordlist they mention is in geology. I was surprised that there were so few -- not even a word list for computer science. Does anyone happen to know if there are other field-related word lists posted on-line? Maybe I am looking in the wrong spot. Thanks very much for any suggestions anyone might have. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 10 03:47:34 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 23:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: September 11 Meeting Message-ID: Hi all. We haven't got a full set of debaters for the September 11 meeting. Unless we get a lot of people prepared to volunteer from the floor I'll be running with the backup plan. The backup plan is in two components. 1. I'll be giving a short talk on backups[1]. This won't really be about backup systems but more about backup strategies. 2. I'd like to run a tutorial style event where members can pose questions that others might like to solve. An Ubuntu Linux system will be provided. [1] Ironic eh? Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 10 11:57:22 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: September 11 Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <155676.62751.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Robert Brockway wrote: > Hi all. We haven't got a full set of debaters for > the September 11 > meeting. Unless we get a lot of people prepared to > volunteer from the > floor I'll be running with the backup plan. > > The backup plan is in two components. > > 1. I'll be giving a short talk on backups[1]. This > won't really be about > backup systems but more about backup strategies. > > 2. I'd like to run a tutorial style event where > members can pose > questions that others might like to solve. An > Ubuntu Linux system will be > provided. > > [1] Ironic eh? Of note, I will have some goodies to give away at the meeting, though just what I am not yet certain (this past weekend I crossed paths with a man who was clearing out a box of computer stuff, and he wanted the stuff to go as a lot. I have not yet sorted through everything in the box, but some of the stuff interests me, the rest will be available on Tuesday :-) ). Colin McGregor > Cheers, > > Rob > > -- > "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." > -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 10 14:33:48 2007 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: question on personal and field specific ispell word lists In-Reply-To: <10556.74.99.32.193.1189394775.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <10556.74.99.32.193.1189394775.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Sep 2007, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> >> Hi All, >> >> I am having a bit of trouble finding/setting up my personal wordlist >> for ispell (for use with emacs on ubuntu) and was wondering if anyone >> might have any suggestions? >> > > Dunno if this will help, but here is a paper I wrote on 'ispell'. > > http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock/papers/using-ispell.pdf Hi Peter, Thank you! Your article is very helpful. I've got everything working now. One odd thing is that although I had been using ispell inside emacs, I didn't actually have the command line version of ispell installed. To use it from the command line as described in your article I had to install it. Alex > > > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > http://www.syscompdesign.com > USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > 647-839-0325 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 10 23:36:10 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:36:10 -0400 Subject: UserFriendly Strip Comments Message-ID: <46E5D4EA.2020504@rogers.com> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070910&mode=classic -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 10 08:37:51 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: PicoTux References: <87642m9vce.fsf@azurservers.com> <99a6c38f0709071153w25384f5ex552bcd2ae4f8ce71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Christopher Browne writes: > > On 9/7/07, Scott Elcomb wrote: > > On 9/7/07, SlackRat wrote: > > > I was wondering if there are any useful applications that can be run > > > on what is advertized as "The worlds smallest computer" > > > > That'd be the "world's smallest _Linux_ computer." The fact that it > > can be used as a webserver might prove very useful for (incredibly!) > > tiny appliances. > > > > If there were an easy way to expand it's memory, say with USB 2, the > > device would probably be invaluable for appliance manufacturers. As > > it is, I don't think (but don't quote me) that Perl or PHP could be > > installed on the device, so all web scripts would have to be compiled > > C/C++ or Fortran. (Never heard of web scripts written in Fortran, but > > can't see why it wouldn't be possible in principle.) > > > > The specs say there are "General Input/Output Pins(TTL)," but I'm not > > sure what kind of hardware interface that is supposed to represent. > > > > > I am quite intrigued by it. > > > > > > http://www.picotux.com/ > > > > Damn but that's small! > > There is a site that describes how to reconfigure it... > > http://daduke.org/picotux/ > > In principle, it *could* run PHP and such, if all the code (including > binaries) was being hosted on an NFS mount. > > You'd still want to keep sizes of things down to minimize the degree > to which network bandwidth kills performance. The firm that makes them also makes larger versions (4MB Flash). Based on what I know from shoehorning applications into small ramdisks and embedded routers I'd say that running php or perl on that is not a good idea, but something smaller and lighter like tcl or lua should work fine. I have had an eye on the *wireless* version of very similar modules from Mouser etc for some time now - also ARM based (in fact I think that it is the same one) http://www.digi.com/products/embeddedsolutions/digiconnectme.jsp http://www.digi.com/products/embeddedsolutions/digiconnectwime.jsp These are also sold by Mouser Electronics (2007 pdf Catalog p. 22). Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 11 15:08:56 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:08:56 -0400 Subject: Game On! Message-ID: <99a6c38f0709110808o2907c62bwb4365af12847effd@mail.gmail.com> I came across this article this morning: "Nuxified.org and Cluenet.org are preparing to hold a Free Software gaming tournament. Its purpose is to promote gaming in the Free Software world, on operating systems such as GNU/Linux, and *BSD and show that gaming is not limited to proprietary platforms such as Microsoft's Windows." Sounds like fun. :-) To read the article: http://tinyurl.com/3ck2kl or http://www.nuxified.org/article/nuxified_and_cluenet_prepare_a_gaming_tourney_you_are_invited To signup: http://www.nuxified.org/topic/sign_up_here_for_the_tourney -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 11 18:08:03 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:08:03 -0400 Subject: Perl "Wide character in print" error... Message-ID: <46E6D983.6080600@alteeve.com> Hi all, This is a follow-up to my earlier "Locale/UTF8 problem in firefox" thread. I've since, with your help, removed Firefox as the problem and have written a bare-bones script to duplicate the exact error on the command line only. Hopefully I can ask for more of your help... This one is really stumping me! So; I've got a program that prints to a browser. Simple enough so far. Some text comes from an XML file (via XML::Simple), and other text comes from a postgres database (set to UTF-8). If I print to the browser normally, the unicode text coming from the pgsql db prints fine, but when unicode text from the XML file prints, I get the "Wide character in print" error, but it still prints okay. I don't want to "just live with it" though because this floods the logs... If I switch binmode on STDOUT to ':utf8' (binmode STDOUT, ":utf8";), then the text coming from the DB is double-encoded and looks garballed, but the data from the XML file looks fine and *doesn't* generate the "Wide character..." error. I've written a very stripped down script to test this: -=] test.pl [=- #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use warnings; use DBI qw(:sql_types); use XML::Simple; # Tell the program where to find the 'words' file. my $file="./test.xml"; # Read in the words file. my $word=XMLin($file); my $dbh=DBI->connect("DBI:Pg:dbname=dbname", "user", "secret", { RaiseError => 1, AutoCommit => 1 } ) || die "DBI connect error: $DBI::errstr\n"; binmode STDOUT, ":utf8"; # Print unicode data from the DB my $query="SELECT usr_note FROM users WHERE usr_id=1"; my $DBreq=$dbh->prepare($query) || die "Error with query: [$query;], error: $DBI::errstr\n"; $DBreq->execute() || die "Error with query: [$query;], error: $DBI::errstr\n"; my ($note)=$DBreq->fetchrow_array(); print "Note: [$note]\n"; # Print unicode data from the XML file print "English : [$$word{lang}{en_CA}{key}{long_name}{content}]\n"; print "Japanese: [$$word{lang}{jp}{key}{long_name}{content}]\n"; exit(0); -=] test.pl [=- Here is the XML file: -=] test.xml [=- Canadian English FOO. ??? FOO. -=] test.xml [=- And this is a copy of the DB encoding string and stripped down schema and data: -=] PgSQL stuff [=- SET client_encoding = 'UTF8'; SET check_function_bodies = false; SET client_min_messages = warning; CREATE SEQUENCE usr_seq INCREMENT BY 1 NO MAXVALUE MINVALUE 0 CACHE 1; CREATE TABLE users ( usr_id integer DEFAULT nextval('usr_seq'::regclass) NOT NULL, usr_note text, ); COPY users (usr_id, usr_note) FROM stdin; 1 Just some text but now with kanji; ?????????? How is this handled? \. -=] PgSQL stuff [=- When I run it with (line 21): # binmode STDOUT, ":utf8"; I get: -=] With 'binmode' commented out [=- -Note: [Just some text but now with kanji; ?????????? How is this handled? And still again...] English : [Canadian English] Wide character in print at ./test.pl line 32. Japanese: [???] =] With 'binmode' commented out [=- And when I run it with (line 21): binmode STDOUT, ":utf8"; -=] With 'binmode' enabled [=- Note: [Just some text but now with kanji; ?????????????????????????????? How is this handled? And still again...] English : [Canadian English] Japanese: [???] -=] With 'binmode' enabled [=- Any tips/help? Thanks! A desperate Madi :) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 11 18:36:05 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:36:05 -0400 Subject: Solved! Was: Perl "Wide character in print" error... In-Reply-To: <46E6D983.6080600-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46E6D983.6080600@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <46E6E015.904@alteeve.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > This is a follow-up to my earlier "Locale/UTF8 problem in firefox" > thread. I've since, with your help, removed Firefox as the problem and > have written a bare-bones script to duplicate the exact error on the > command line only. Hopefully I can ask for more of your help... This one > is really stumping me! > > So; > > I've got a program that prints to a browser. Simple enough so far. > Some text comes from an XML file (via XML::Simple), and other text comes > from a postgres database (set to UTF-8). > > If I print to the browser normally, the unicode text coming > from the pgsql db prints fine, but when unicode text from the XML file > prints, I get the "Wide character in print" error, but it still prints > okay. I don't want to "just live with it" though because this floods the > logs... > > If I switch binmode on STDOUT to ':utf8' (binmode STDOUT, ":utf8";), > then the text coming from the DB is double-encoded and looks garballed, > but the data from the XML file looks fine and *doesn't* generate the > "Wide character..." error. > > I've written a very stripped down script to test this: > > -=] test.pl [=- > #!/usr/bin/perl > > use strict; > use warnings; > use DBI qw(:sql_types); > use XML::Simple; > > # Tell the program where to find the 'words' file. > my $file="./test.xml"; > > # Read in the words file. > my $word=XMLin($file); > > my $dbh=DBI->connect("DBI:Pg:dbname=dbname", "user", "secret", > { > RaiseError => 1, > AutoCommit => 1 > } > ) || die "DBI connect error: $DBI::errstr\n"; > > binmode STDOUT, ":utf8"; > > # Print unicode data from the DB > my $query="SELECT usr_note FROM users WHERE usr_id=1"; > my $DBreq=$dbh->prepare($query) || die "Error with query: [$query;], > error: $DBI::errstr\n"; > $DBreq->execute() || die "Error with query: [$query;], error: > $DBI::errstr\n"; > my ($note)=$DBreq->fetchrow_array(); > print "Note: [$note]\n"; > > # Print unicode data from the XML file > print "English : [$$word{lang}{en_CA}{key}{long_name}{content}]\n"; > print "Japanese: [$$word{lang}{jp}{key}{long_name}{content}]\n"; > > exit(0); > -=] test.pl [=- > > Here is the XML file: > > -=] test.xml [=- > > > > > Canadian English > FOO. > > > ??? > FOO. > > > -=] test.xml [=- > > And this is a copy of the DB encoding string and stripped down schema > and data: > > -=] PgSQL stuff [=- > SET client_encoding = 'UTF8'; > SET check_function_bodies = false; > SET client_min_messages = warning; > > CREATE SEQUENCE usr_seq > INCREMENT BY 1 > NO MAXVALUE > MINVALUE 0 > CACHE 1; > > CREATE TABLE users ( > usr_id integer DEFAULT nextval('usr_seq'::regclass) NOT NULL, > usr_note text, > ); > > COPY users (usr_id, usr_note) FROM stdin; > 1 Just some text but now with kanji; ?????????? How is this > handled? > \. > > -=] PgSQL stuff [=- > > When I run it with (line 21): # binmode STDOUT, ":utf8"; > > I get: > > -=] With 'binmode' commented out [=- > -Note: [Just some text but now with kanji; ?????????? How is > this handled? And still again...] > English : [Canadian English] > Wide character in print at ./test.pl line 32. > Japanese: [???] > =] With 'binmode' commented out [=- > > And when I run it with (line 21): binmode STDOUT, ":utf8"; > > -=] With 'binmode' enabled [=- > Note: [Just some text but now with kanji; ?????????????????????????????? > How is this handled? And still again...] > English : [Canadian English] > Japanese: [???] > -=] With 'binmode' enabled [=- > > Any tips/help? > > Thanks! > > A desperate Madi :) Drew from TLUG (off the list) helped me figure this one out. I had to enable binmode and change my DB connect string to: my $dbh=DBI->connect("DBI:Pg:dbname=dbname", "user", "secret", { RaiseError => 1, AutoCommit => 1, pg_enable_utf8 => 1 } ) || die "DBI connect error: $DBI::errstr\n"; binmode STDOUT, ":utf8"; And there ya go. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 11 19:13:29 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Game On! In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0709110808o2907c62bwb4365af12847effd-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709110808o2907c62bwb4365af12847effd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <132788.31257.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Scott Elcomb wrote: > I came across this article this morning: > > "Nuxified.org and Cluenet.org are preparing to hold > a Free Software > gaming tournament. Its purpose is to promote gaming > in the Free > Software world, on operating systems such as > GNU/Linux, and *BSD and > show that gaming is not limited to proprietary > platforms such as > Microsoft's Windows." > > Sounds like fun. :-) The last "Software News" piece I did for Linux Pro Magazine included a SHORT segment on Sabayon Linux (www.sabayonlinux.org) a live Linux DVD (NOT CD) PACKED with Linux games, a number of which are noted in the article below. Those GTALug folks who want to hurt their high speed internet connection for a while should have a look at it. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 12 04:14:09 2007 From: dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org (David C. Chipman) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:14:09 -0400 Subject: Sept 11th Meeting, What happened? In-Reply-To: <155676.62751.qm-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <155676.62751.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070912001409.3bd0e216@david.chipman> Hi all, I'm aware that the above meeting was used for a text-editor debate, but what was it like? For hose of us who couldn't be there, I'd like to know. Having gone back to school, my getting home in time to head out to a TLUG meeting will be vastly curtailed. Later, -David Chipman -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From michael-FlpYSvOe4ac6W4JZGn+SJw at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 12 04:58:44 2007 From: michael-FlpYSvOe4ac6W4JZGn+SJw at public.gmane.org (Michael Kennedy) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:58:44 -0400 Subject: Sept 11th Meeting, What happened? In-Reply-To: <20070912001409.3bd0e216-lQMCrfjKGrJ3Ex1Y5TzZUg@public.gmane.org> References: <155676.62751.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070912001409.3bd0e216@david.chipman> Message-ID: <313ea3dd0709112158j1112cf61sfe1d6d2411064248@mail.gmail.com> David, It branched out in a few directions, but the main thrust of the argument is that modern editors change the way we view the facilities at our fingertips, and the nature of each editor lends itself to different followers. There was a heated camp of Emacs which I interpreted as 'I can call up anything I could possibly want in Emacs, so it is the best compromise between shell and editor.', then there was sparse 'vi' contingent which basically conceded that the only positive features of 'vi' came with the introduction of 'vim' and that the requirement for termcap basically amde it a blight on the history of UNIX. And finally there was the 'silverback' contingent which debated the value of either of the preceding options when it was perfectly clear that all roads forked from 'ed', and by extention, 'qed'. Of course this is my interpretation of the session, and is entirely up for debate as I'm sure others perceived it differently. And in there somewhere, someone (forgive me for not recalling the exact name) threw into the mix a query about how to edit SNMP MIBs. I had suggested "MIB Smith", and I was wrong by a single trailing letter, it was "MIB Smithy" (http://www.muonics.com/Products/MIBSmithy/), which is decidely non-OSS, but was the only multi-platform option that came to mind for the query raised. Interesting session overall, albeit probably not the most productive. And I didn't bring my $20... So I guess I won't be invited back. ;) And in case you were wondering, I am in the 'vi' camp. Though I definitely wouldn't use it to individually edit 850 source files to replace a repeated string. MK On 9/12/07, David C. Chipman wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm aware that the above meeting was used for a > text-editor debate, but what was it like? For hose of us who couldn't > be there, I'd like to know. Having gone back to school, my getting home > in time to head out to a TLUG meeting will be vastly curtailed. Later, > > -David Chipman > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 12 12:40:38 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:40:38 -0400 Subject: Sept 11th Meeting, What happened? In-Reply-To: <20070912001409.3bd0e216-lQMCrfjKGrJ3Ex1Y5TzZUg@public.gmane.org> References: <155676.62751.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070912001409.3bd0e216@david.chipman> Message-ID: <20070912124038.GJ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 12:14:09AM -0400, David C. Chipman wrote: > I'm aware that the above meeting was used for a > text-editor debate, but what was it like? For hose of us who couldn't > be there, I'd like to know. Having gone back to school, my getting home > in time to head out to a TLUG meeting will be vastly curtailed. Later, Did anyone use Monday's userfriendly as an example of why emacs is bad? :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 12 12:43:26 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:43:26 -0400 Subject: Sept 11th Meeting, What happened? In-Reply-To: <313ea3dd0709112158j1112cf61sfe1d6d2411064248-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <155676.62751.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070912001409.3bd0e216@david.chipman> <313ea3dd0709112158j1112cf61sfe1d6d2411064248@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070912124326.GK5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 12:58:44AM -0400, Michael Kennedy wrote: > It branched out in a few directions, but the main thrust of the > argument is that modern editors change the way we view the facilities > at our fingertips, and the nature of each editor lends itself to > different followers. There was a heated camp of Emacs which I > interpreted as 'I can call up anything I could possibly want in Emacs, > so it is the best compromise between shell and editor.', then there > was sparse 'vi' contingent which basically conceded that the only > positive features of 'vi' came with the introduction of 'vim' and that > the requirement for termcap basically amde it a blight on the history > of UNIX. And finally there was the 'silverback' contingent which > debated the value of either of the preceding options when it was > perfectly clear that all roads forked from 'ed', and by extention, > 'qed'. Of course this is my interpretation of the session, and is > entirely up for debate as I'm sure others perceived it differently. vim never needs more than 2 fingers to operate. :) > And in there somewhere, someone (forgive me for not recalling the > exact name) threw into the mix a query about how to edit SNMP MIBs. I > had suggested "MIB Smith", and I was wrong by a single trailing > letter, it was "MIB Smithy" > (http://www.muonics.com/Products/MIBSmithy/), which is decidely > non-OSS, but was the only multi-platform option that came to mind for > the query raised. > > Interesting session overall, albeit probably not the most productive. > And I didn't bring my $20... So I guess I won't be invited back. ;) What $20? > And in case you were wondering, I am in the 'vi' camp. Though I > definitely wouldn't use it to individually edit 850 source files to > replace a repeated string. That sounds like a job for perl or sed. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 12 15:07:34 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:07:34 -0400 Subject: Sept 11th Meeting, What happened? In-Reply-To: <20070912124326.GK5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <155676.62751.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070912001409.3bd0e216@david.chipman> <313ea3dd0709112158j1112cf61sfe1d6d2411064248@mail.gmail.com> <20070912124326.GK5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46E800B6.7080305@ve3syb.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> And in case you were wondering, I am in the 'vi' camp. Though I >> definitely wouldn't use it to individually edit 850 source files to >> replace a repeated string. > > That sounds like a job for perl or sed. Or regexxer. 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The problem is, Firefox keeps popping up the "Confirm Password Change" window, even if the reset password fields are blank. This should never come up at all on this page. Is there a trick or field to pass (or something) to prevent this behavior? Thanks kindly! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 12 21:34:55 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:34:55 -0400 Subject: Help... Acer monitor with no frequency info Message-ID: <20070912213455.GB15844@waltdnes.org> Is this common with LCD monitors? Just got a brand new Acer X241Wsd 24" 1920x1200. There is *NO INFO WHATSOEVER* in any of the manuals or on the web, as to what the horizontal and vertical frequencies are. I hesitate to hook it up before I get the numbers, fo fear of "smoking" it. There's a CD with a *WINDOWS* setup program, which is totally useless. I've sent an email via the form on the acersupport.com website; the site says that it might take 3 or 4 days to get an answer. The live chat support is down for some reason. Anybody have any info about it? -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 12 21:33:38 2007 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sept 11th Meeting, What happened? In-Reply-To: <20070912124038.GJ5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <155676.62751.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070912001409.3bd0e216@david.chipman> <20070912124038.GJ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 12:14:09AM -0400, David C. Chipman wrote: >> I'm aware that the above meeting was used for a >> text-editor debate, but what was it like? For hose of us who couldn't >> be there, I'd like to know. Having gone back to school, my getting home >> in time to head out to a TLUG meeting will be vastly curtailed. Later, > > Did anyone use Monday's userfriendly as an example of why emacs is bad? :) No, because it's not true that one need's all ten digits to operate emacs. I am an 8-finger typist. I don't touch type, but I am fast enough to have held down jobs in which typesetting was a major component. I've used emacs variants on and off for almost 25 years, and have been using GNU Emacs for the last 7 years. I have tried vi a few times -- enough to know that it is not for me. The first version I used, on SunOS 4.1, was enough to put me off it for life. I have tried vim, and it is almost usable. -- Chris F.A. Johnson ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 12 22:48:28 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Antwan Gillis) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:48:28 -0500 Subject: Your C1alis 0rder #807509 Message-ID: We Present you a US Licensed Online Pharm4cy St0re. Huge Disc0unts for next five days!!! 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Just got a brand new Acer X241Wsd > 24" 1920x1200. There is *NO INFO WHATSOEVER* in any of the manuals or > on the web, as to what the horizontal and vertical frequencies are. I > hesitate to hook it up before I get the numbers, fo fear of "smoking" > it. There's a CD with a *WINDOWS* setup program, which is totally > useless. I've sent an email via the form on the acersupport.com > website; the site says that it might take 3 or 4 days to get an answer. > The live chat support is down for some reason. > > Anybody have any info about it? > > Is that not a modern enough monitor that it will be autodetected by whatever linux distro you are installing? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 12 22:13:36 2007 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:13:36 -0400 Subject: TLUG spam (was: Re:Your C1alis 0rder #807509) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070912221336.7752583836@sarg.ryerson.ca> Is this the result of TLUG accepting posting from the world? Or is someone here running Windows and thier computer is infected? I suspect the former based on the only apparently useful header: X-Originating-IP: 234.239.150.212 by smtp.201.17.187.101; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:48:28 -0500 For those IPs I get: ; host 234.239.150.212 Host 212.150.239.234.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) ; host 201.17.187.101 101.187.17.201.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer c911bb65.bhz.virtua.com.br. Can we make the list so only people on the list can email to the list? Please??? Thanks ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 12 22:23:46 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:23:46 -0400 Subject: Sept 11th Meeting, What happened? In-Reply-To: <313ea3dd0709112158j1112cf61sfe1d6d2411064248-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <155676.62751.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070912001409.3bd0e216@david.chipman> <313ea3dd0709112158j1112cf61sfe1d6d2411064248@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/12/07, Michael Kennedy wrote: > It branched out in a few directions, but the main thrust of the > argument is that modern editors change the way we view the facilities > at our fingertips, and the nature of each editor lends itself to > different followers. There was a heated camp of Emacs which I > interpreted as 'I can call up anything I could possibly want in Emacs, > so it is the best compromise between shell and editor.', then there > was sparse 'vi' contingent which basically conceded that the only > positive features of 'vi' came with the introduction of 'vim' and that > the requirement for termcap basically amde it a blight on the history > of UNIX. And finally there was the 'silverback' contingent which > debated the value of either of the preceding options when it was > perfectly clear that all roads forked from 'ed', and by extention, > 'qed'. Of course this is my interpretation of the session, and is > entirely up for debate as I'm sure others perceived it differently. The "forked from ed" matter is more interesting than it looks... The argument that fell out of that wasn't so much about what was specifically better, but rather pointing out that the move from line editors to "visual" editors led to a loss of programmer understanding. In the "good old days" of ed, qed, and TECO, the very action of editing a program required understanding at least a bit about what the editor was doing to manipulate the data, with the result that going on to automate the editor to do what you wanted was entirely natural. In the "bad old days," shortly after that, visual editors allowed you to edit things via what a curmudgeon might term "point and drool;" you move arrow keys to get the cursor to where you think it ought to be, and then do simple manipulations from there, perhaps as little as: - I can add a character in here... - I can delete a character here... - I can delete a line... The need to understand a bit of what went on under the covers disappeared, and this has allowed programmers to have a much shallower understanding of what their tools are capable of. Sasha Chua pointed out that Emacs allows those who are interested to dip in at the Elisp level, and pretty deeply do any operation they wish to. The same is, of course, not true for vi; it was never designed with the intent to expose all of its facilities to scripts as was the case with Emacs. That doesn't contradict the "curmudgeonly" opinion - Emacs can expose such things, but only if you take interest. There are then two further criticisms that become relevant: - Emacs is decidedly NOT a "Unix style" tool (a fact with which I, as a fan of Emacs, agree); it tries to be an overarching environment, as opposed to encouraging "shelling out" to run Unix commands to do work - vi *without* ex mode has the same issue, except without any "overarching" ;-) For a qed fan, there's another contrast to be had, namely that it, like Emacs, and unlike vi, supports multiple text buffers... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 12 23:42:54 2007 From: jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: TLUG spam (was: Re:Your C1alis 0rder #807509) In-Reply-To: <20070912221336.7752583836-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20070912221336.7752583836@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <49487.66.11.182.5.1189640574.squirrel@canuckster.org> I have received several of these > Is this the result of TLUG accepting posting from the world? Or is > someone here running Windows and thier computer is infected? I suspect > the former based on the only apparently useful header: > > X-Originating-IP: 234.239.150.212 by smtp.201.17.187.101; Wed, 12 Sep > 2007 17:48:28 -0500 > > For those IPs I get: > ; host 234.239.150.212 > Host 212.150.239.234.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) > ; host 201.17.187.101 > 101.187.17.201.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer > c911bb65.bhz.virtua.com.br. > > Can we make the list so only people on the list can email to the list? > Please??? > > Thanks ../Dave > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 00:05:46 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:05:46 -0400 Subject: Firefox "Confirm Password Change" window on form In-Reply-To: <46E8292D.3020109-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46E8292D.3020109@alteeve.com> Message-ID: I am not sure if this is helpful. However, its info that is itself not very well known but worth of experimenting with: Lets try to enter the following instead of URL address: about:config That will give a long list of parameters that control behaviour of firefox. These things are reasonably well described on the net but I do not rememmber right now where... ;) zb. On 9/12/07, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got a form where a user or administrator can change details for > a user account, including resetting their password. At the bottom of the > form is a text field where the current user has to enter *their* current > password, to protect from a third party changing something if the legit > user happens to be away from their machine. > > The problem is, Firefox keeps popping up the "Confirm Password > Change" window, even if the reset password fields are blank. This should > never come up at all on this page. Is there a trick or field to pass (or > something) to prevent this behavior? > > Thanks kindly! > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 01:40:39 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:40:39 -0400 Subject: Dual display with built-in mobo video Message-ID: <46e89517.0108400a.5ad9.fffff0d3@mx.google.com> Just a quick question that I'm sure someone on this list can answer in a heartbeat, with a possible prize at the end. The MoBo on my semi-new Ubuntu box has video on-board. Since I've added my own AGP video card for 3D capabilities, can I use the on-board output for a second monitor? If so, how do I go about getting Ubuntu to find it? lspci is showing me no love so far. The back story and prize: Dug up my old Dell/Trinitron 20" CRT and thought "hey, this would be great for X-Plane and general use on my Linux desktop". and then I plugged it in and remembered why I switched to LCD's. I'm just weird enough to be able to see the refresh (even at 60+ Hz). It's also not as bright as my Samsung SyncMaster, which I find surprising, and overall isn't doing me very well. So, whoever answers first gets first dibs if (and there's still a chance I might find a use for it, but not likely) I decide to get rid of it. -kms -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 01:52:51 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:52:51 -0400 Subject: Help... Acer monitor with no frequency info In-Reply-To: <20070912213455.GB15844-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20070912213455.GB15844@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <46e897f3.157f400a.1969.1aed@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Walter > Dnes > Sent: Wednesday 12 September 2007 17:35 > To: Toronto Linux Users Group > Subject: [TLUG]: Help... Acer monitor with no frequency info > > Is this common with LCD monitors? Just got a brand new Acer X241Wsd > 24" 1920x1200. There is *NO INFO WHATSOEVER* in any of the manuals or > on the web, as to what the horizontal and vertical frequencies are. I > hesitate to hook it up before I get the numbers, fo fear of "smoking" > it. There's a CD with a *WINDOWS* setup program, which is totally > useless. I've sent an email via the form on the acersupport.com > website; the site says that it might take 3 or 4 days to get an answer. > The live chat support is down for some reason. > > Anybody have any info about it? I could be mistaken, but I believe most LCD panels with VGA input use "fairly standard" setup, i.e. I've never seen one that wasn't autodetected and used a vertical refresh rate of 60 Hz (my SyncMaster 913v is currently running at 1280x1024 63.9kHz 60Hz PP, if that means anything to you). That said DVI is a whole other kettle of fish. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 02:23:28 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:23:28 -0400 Subject: Help... Acer monitor with no frequency info In-Reply-To: <46E86188.9080003-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20070912213455.GB15844@waltdnes.org> <46E86188.9080003@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070913022328.GA21635@waltdnes.org> On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 06:00:40PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote > Walter Dnes wrote: >> Is this common with LCD monitors? Just got a brand new Acer X241Wsd >> 24" 1920x1200. There is *NO INFO WHATSOEVER* in any of the manuals or >> on the web, as to what the horizontal and vertical frequencies are. I >> hesitate to hook it up before I get the numbers, fo fear of "smoking" >> it. >> > Is that not a modern enough monitor that it will be autodetected by > whatever linux distro you are installing? I'll admit to knowing almost nothing about monitor autodetection. The last time I used "automatic settings" was years ago with Redhat 7.3 when I selected "SVGA monitor that can do 1024x768". Since then, I've always set the monitor frequency range inside the xorg.conf file (or xf86.conf file before that). I unpacked the LCD monitor out of the box yesterday, so it is brand new. It has VGA and DVI connectors. I'm running Gentoo. I'm currently emerging the "mkxf86config" package (don't worry, it generates xorg.conf in current releases). I'll try that for video setup. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 02:23:52 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:23:52 -0400 Subject: Dual display with built-in mobo video In-Reply-To: <46e89517.0108400a.5ad9.fffff0d3-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46e89517.0108400a.5ad9.fffff0d3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20070912222352.2ce8b3ec@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Channelling Xenu, Kareem Shehata's body Thetan said: > Just a quick question that I'm sure someone on this list can answer in a > heartbeat, 5 bucks on Lennart... ;) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: "In the event of an emergency, my ass can be used as a floatation device." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 02:38:12 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:38:12 -0400 Subject: Game On! In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0709110808o2907c62bwb4365af12847effd-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709110808o2907c62bwb4365af12847effd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070912223812.3a710643@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Channelling Xenu, Scott Elcomb's body Thetan said: > I came across this article this morning: > > "Nuxified.org and Cluenet.org are preparing to hold a Free Software > gaming tournament. Its purpose is to promote gaming in the Free > Software world, on operating systems such as GNU/Linux, and *BSD and > show that gaming is not limited to proprietary platforms such as > Microsoft's Windows." > > Sounds like fun. :-) > > To read the article: > http://tinyurl.com/3ck2kl > or > http://www.nuxified.org/article/nuxified_and_cluenet_prepare_a_gaming_tourney_you_are_invited > > To signup: > http://www.nuxified.org/topic/sign_up_here_for_the_tourney So far it looks like my favourite game is not going to make it in, due to the massive majority that is voting for only including games that are absolutely free, ie. including the game data. Because the license for UT, as far as I can tell, says that the data cannot be distributed or used for commercial purposes, it is not 'free'. Am I correct in this interpretation? -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: He's gay. Leela: How do you know? Bender: I have this thing called gaydar. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 02:39:43 2007 From: interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Interlug Lists) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:39:43 -0400 Subject: Ontario Linux Fest update Message-ID: <408ae1640709121939rc638fe4ue12412680ddafb55@mail.gmail.com> Hi everybody, Wow. What a week. The organizing committee is running at just about full-speed now, getting things ready for Ontario Linux Fest. We've had a flurry of new confirmed speakers and confirmed sponsors. And there are still conversations in progress to settle some remaining spots. The biggest news is the addition of Research In Motion Limited to the list of major sponsors. We know that Linux-folks love their Blackberry(r) devices. RIM is showing their love for Ontario Linux Fest. You'll get a kick out of what the folks at RIM have planned for the event. And that, my friends, is what I call a "teaser." If your favourite GNU/Linux company isn't already on our list of sponsors, they may very well appear in the next few days. If you have been thinking about sponsoring Ontario Linux Fest, get in touch with us now. We have printing deadlines looming and want to include you! Registration is picking up nicely. I'm glad that we booked the extra space at the venue. For those of you who have not completed your registration. Hey? Why not? And tell all of your friends, family and colleagues to register now too. http://onlinux.ca/olfreg The Ontario Linux Fest organizing committee is thrilled to have secured additional top notch presenters and topics. We have something for everybody with the addition of Performance Tuning and Optimization for High-Traffic Web Sites, and Eclipse for your technical needs. We've also added Yoga for Geeks as a special lunchtime participation session. "Limber-up those Geeks for the afternoon presentations," that's what I say! See the full list of confirmed presentations http://onlinux.ca/speakers Great news for our out-of-town attendees! Both our hotel blocks have extended the deadline for reduced rate booking. Even our Toronto attendees should be looking at getting a hotel room if they are planning to enjoy a grown-up beverage at our post-event reception! http://onlinux.ca/hotel We're also lining up some interesting Birds of a Feather sessions. So keep your eyes peeled for our announcements as we roll into October. See you at the 'Fest! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 03:48:09 2007 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:48:09 -0400 Subject: Game On! In-Reply-To: <20070912223812.3a710643-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709110808o2907c62bwb4365af12847effd@mail.gmail.com> <20070912223812.3a710643@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <46E8B2F9.9000705@golden.net> JoeHill wrote: > Channelling Xenu, Scott Elcomb's body Thetan said: > > >> I came across this article this morning: >> >> "Nuxified.org and Cluenet.org are preparing to hold a Free Software >> gaming tournament. Its purpose is to promote gaming in the Free >> Software world, on operating systems such as GNU/Linux, and *BSD and >> show that gaming is not limited to proprietary platforms such as >> Microsoft's Windows." >> >> Sounds like fun. :-) >> >> To read the article: >> http://tinyurl.com/3ck2kl >> or >> http://www.nuxified.org/article/nuxified_and_cluenet_prepare_a_gaming_tourney_you_are_invited >> >> To signup: >> http://www.nuxified.org/topic/sign_up_here_for_the_tourney >> > > So far it looks like my favourite game is not going to make it in, due to the > massive majority that is voting for only including games > that are absolutely free, ie. including the game data. Because the license for > UT, as far as I can tell, says that the data cannot be distributed or used for > commercial purposes, it is not 'free'. Am I correct in this interpretation? > > Joe have you tried Tremulous yet ? UT is still gr8 however I haven't played since 2004 edition. Trem rocks ! John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 04:11:38 2007 From: myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:11:38 -0400 Subject: C Networking Books? Message-ID: At soup Drew and Bill told about two books that were about programming C network and I forgot the names? --- Myles A. Braithwaite Monkey in your Soul - http://miys.net myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You'll probably just get a message on the display that the frequencies are out of range, or a distorted picture or a blank screen. -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 11:15:15 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Ricky Rocha) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 06:15:15 -0500 Subject: Your C1alis 0rder #352057 Message-ID: Hi, We have cheapest Cial1s S0ft T4bs and V1agra S0ft T4bs online. Visit US He4lthc4re Inc. at: http://www.ueuehwnn.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From pmaddocks-9U2EIkBaTy57jpW2VZu3qypHNdL/HXVq at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 11:12:51 2007 From: pmaddocks-9U2EIkBaTy57jpW2VZu3qypHNdL/HXVq at public.gmane.org (pmaddocks-9U2EIkBaTy57jpW2VZu3qypHNdL/HXVq at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 07:12:51 -0400 Subject: Philip Maddocks/CORP/BROOKFIELD is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 13/09/2007 and will not return until 17/09/2007. I will respond to your message when I return. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 14:25:56 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:25:56 -0400 Subject: .odt or .sxw ? Message-ID: <46E94874.1010205@chrisaitken.net> I think that this is a simple enough OO question that it's not worth joining their mailing list: My OO 2.2 defaults to .odt when saving files. So, I keep saving it as .sxw. I have to keep comfirming that I want to save as .sxw. I'm tired of doing this. Is there no .sxw 2.x file format. Is .odt the new standard. Almost all of my saved files are .sxw. Should I be making the switch. I don't think I use any of the newer features (whatever they are) that I'm ever going to lose anything critical either way. I guess OO is just warning me that some features may not be there if I create in OO 2.2 but save in OO 1. I guess OO 2.2 doesn't look at what's in my specific document before advising. A minor annoyance but I'd like to know if I should change how I'm doing things. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 14:35:45 2007 From: interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Interlug Lists) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:35:45 -0400 Subject: .odt or .sxw ? In-Reply-To: <46E94874.1010205-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46E94874.1010205@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <408ae1640709130735k62d7d099j2e7487d72c4272@mail.gmail.com> On 9/13/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > I think that this is a simple enough OO question that it's not worth > joining their mailing list: > Go with .odt. ODT is and Open Document Format, approved as an open format by ISO and supported in multiple software packages from multiple vendors. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 14:51:38 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:51:38 -0400 Subject: Dual display with built-in mobo video In-Reply-To: <46e89517.0108400a.5ad9.fffff0d3-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46e89517.0108400a.5ad9.fffff0d3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20070913145138.GN5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 09:40:39PM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: > Just a quick question that I'm sure someone on this list can answer in a > heartbeat, with a possible prize at the end. The MoBo on my semi-new Ubuntu > box has video on-board. Since I've added my own AGP video card for 3D > capabilities, can I use the on-board output for a second monitor? If so, > how do I go about getting Ubuntu to find it? lspci is showing me no love so > far. Which motherboard, and more importantly which chipset does it have onboard for video? On most boards the internal video is disabled automatically when an add in agp card is plugged in. Sometimes you can activate it again and use it as a second display but not always. The reason it often doesn't work is that the onboard video is AGP based, and you can't have more than one AGP device in a system. PCIe and PCI works differently. > The back story and prize: Dug up my old Dell/Trinitron 20" CRT and thought > "hey, this would be great for X-Plane and general use on my Linux desktop". > and then I plugged it in and remembered why I switched to LCD's. I'm just > weird enough to be able to see the refresh (even at 60+ Hz). It's also not > as bright as my Samsung SyncMaster, which I find surprising, and overall > isn't doing me very well. So, whoever answers first gets first dibs if (and > there's still a chance I might find a use for it, but not likely) I decide > to get rid of it. I have a 21" Dell Trinetron with a slight focus problem in the top left corner I am not using anymore. It is going out as soon as I get around to it, unless someone happens to think they have a use for such a monster. I got a nice 24" LCD which takes up much less desk space and is in focus. Oh and I have a 21" NEC as well which sometimes looses the blue channel (power cycle always fixes it for a little while) which is also going out. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 14:49:27 2007 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:49:27 -0400 Subject: Dual display with built-in mobo video In-Reply-To: <46e89517.0108400a.5ad9.fffff0d3-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46e89517.0108400a.5ad9.fffff0d3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280709130749n3565036ej693accd4ffcba38d@mail.gmail.com> On 9/12/07, Kareem Shehata wrote: > Just a quick question that I'm sure someone on this list can answer in a > heartbeat, with a possible prize at the end. The MoBo on my semi-new Ubuntu > box has video on-board. Since I've added my own AGP video card for 3D > capabilities, can I use the on-board output for a second monitor? If so, > how do I go about getting Ubuntu to find it? lspci is showing me no love so > far. My guess is that your mobo has automatically switched off the onboard video - they often do this when you insert a new card that has the same functionality as something already onboard (I've seen this particularly with sound cards, but I think I've seen it with video too). Go into the BIOS and see if you can turn the onboard video on again. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 14:48:14 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:48:14 -0400 Subject: .odt or .sxw ? In-Reply-To: <408ae1640709130735k62d7d099j2e7487d72c4272-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46E94874.1010205@chrisaitken.net> <408ae1640709130735k62d7d099j2e7487d72c4272@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E94DAE.3070405@chrisaitken.net> Interlug Lists wrote: > On 9/13/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I think that this is a simple enough OO question that it's not worth >> joining their mailing list: >> >> > > Go with .odt. ODT is and Open Document Format, approved as an open > format by ISO and supported in multiple software packages from > multiple vendors. > OK - thanks. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 14:46:24 2007 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:46:24 -0400 Subject: C Networking Books? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46E94D40.8020308@visible-assets.com> One of the most readily available is Beej's http://www.beej.us/guide/bgnet/ Also, another one that I have is "Linux Socket Programming by Example", which shows up at the top of google's list: http://www.google.ca/books?q=linux+socket+programming&btnG=Search+Books I would suggest that one because it's entirely written in C, and it attempts to be posixly complete. However, Beej's guide really gives you all you need to know. The man pages for all of the socket libraries are also very good sources of documentation. ~/Chris Myles Braithwaite wrote: > At soup Drew and Bill told about two books that were about programming C > network and I forgot the names? > > > --- > Myles A. Braithwaite > Monkey in your Soul - http://miys.net > myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 14:43:53 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:43:53 -0400 Subject: Help... Acer monitor with no frequency info In-Reply-To: <20070912213455.GB15844-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20070912213455.GB15844@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20070913144353.GL5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 05:34:55PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > Is this common with LCD monitors? Just got a brand new Acer X241Wsd > 24" 1920x1200. There is *NO INFO WHATSOEVER* in any of the manuals or > on the web, as to what the horizontal and vertical frequencies are. I > hesitate to hook it up before I get the numbers, fo fear of "smoking" > it. There's a CD with a *WINDOWS* setup program, which is totally > useless. I've sent an email via the form on the acersupport.com > website; the site says that it might take 3 or 4 days to get an answer. > The live chat support is down for some reason. > > Anybody have any info about it? Ehm, ask DDC maybe? Of course if you use the DVI connector then it isn't even relevant (and believe me you want to use the DVI connector). Since all screens the last decade have DDC there is little need to provide such specs to the user, since the system will auto detect it and do the right thing. Now in my experience most LCD screens have a vertical refresh support of 50 to 75hz, with 60 being prefered whenever possible. As some examples: Eizo has a 24" 1920x1200 widescreen and is uses: DVI: Vertical 59-61Hz, Horizontal 31-76KHz VGA: Vertical 49-86Hz, Horizontal 24-94KHz I can't check what my Dell 2407WFP-HC does, since it is currently connected by DVI in which case it doesn't even bother mentioning anything it just does the resolution using a single link DVI signal. You can usually find the specs simply by connecting the monitor and starting X, then look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file and find where it lists the monitor information. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 14:47:41 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:47:41 -0400 Subject: TLUG spam (was: Re:Your C1alis 0rder #807509) In-Reply-To: <20070912221336.7752583836-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20070912221336.7752583836@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20070913144741.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 06:13:36PM -0400, Dave Mason wrote: > Is this the result of TLUG accepting posting from the world? Or is > someone here running Windows and thier computer is infected? I suspect > the former based on the only apparently useful header: > > X-Originating-IP: 234.239.150.212 by smtp.201.17.187.101; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:48:28 -0500 > > For those IPs I get: > ; host 234.239.150.212 > Host 212.150.239.234.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) > ; host 201.17.187.101 > 101.187.17.201.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer c911bb65.bhz.virtua.com.br. > > Can we make the list so only people on the list can email to the list? Please??? I think someone discovered that drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org as your From: address will allow posting anything you want to the mailing list. Perhaps the mail server should be more picky about where it thinks drew can send mail from. On the other hand the mailing list is expecting to receive incoming mail from subscribers (which i am sure drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org is), and forward it to all members of the list. So simply messages sent with a fake From: address which the mailing list accepts. Any spammer that uses a forged from address of any subscriner to the list would be able to do what this spammer is doing, and I am not sure what you can do about it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 14:53:44 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:53:44 -0400 Subject: .odt or .sxw ? In-Reply-To: <46E94874.1010205-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46E94874.1010205@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070913145344.GO5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 10:25:56AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > I think that this is a simple enough OO question that it's not worth > joining their mailing list: > > My OO 2.2 defaults to .odt when saving files. So, I keep saving it as > .sxw. I have to keep comfirming that I want to save as .sxw. I'm tired > of doing this. Is there no .sxw 2.x file format. Is .odt the new > standard. Almost all of my saved files are .sxw. Should I be making the > switch. I don't think I use any of the newer features (whatever they > are) that I'm ever going to lose anything critical either way. I guess > OO is just warning me that some features may not be there if I create in > OO 2.2 but save in OO 1. I guess OO 2.2 doesn't look at what's in my > specific document before advising. > > A minor annoyance but I'd like to know if I should change how I'm doing > things. OO 2.0 and higher uses odt as it's native format. sxw was the format of OO 1.x and I believe older versions of staroffice as well. I see no point sticking with the old format anymore since noone is ever going back to it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From michael-FlpYSvOe4ac6W4JZGn+SJw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 15:12:31 2007 From: michael-FlpYSvOe4ac6W4JZGn+SJw at public.gmane.org (Michael Kennedy) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:12:31 -0400 Subject: Dual display with built-in mobo video In-Reply-To: <20070913145138.GN5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46e89517.0108400a.5ad9.fffff0d3@mx.google.com> <20070913145138.GN5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <313ea3dd0709130812r138e2dc2ke48e32e8874b2ab0@mail.gmail.com> It's hard to part ways from those old CRTs, eh? When disposing of old gear, I find the most efficient way is to post as ***FREE*** on toronto.craigslist.org, but if you are going to actually throw it out, the City of Toronto takes old computers and monitors at their drop-off depots. See: http://www.toronto.ca/garbage/pdf/solidwastedrop-offdepots.pdf If you're in Waterloo, as your e-mail address suggests, then they have a program as well, which is fee-based. See: http://www.region.waterloo.on.ca/web/region.nsf/97dfc347666efede85256e590071a3d4/312623eb1574fb6285256efb005879a3!OpenDocument Am I the only one that feels so guilty for sending things to the landfill? I wish there was an eco-friendly way of disposal. Does anyone know of any other options that might be available? I have bins full of old derelict cables & devices, and I really would rather they didn't end up under a bulldozer if that's at all possible. MK On 9/13/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 09:40:39PM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: > > Just a quick question that I'm sure someone on this list can answer in a > > heartbeat, with a possible prize at the end. The MoBo on my semi-new Ubuntu > > box has video on-board. Since I've added my own AGP video card for 3D > > capabilities, can I use the on-board output for a second monitor? If so, > > how do I go about getting Ubuntu to find it? lspci is showing me no love so > > far. > > Which motherboard, and more importantly which chipset does it have > onboard for video? > > On most boards the internal video is disabled automatically when an add > in agp card is plugged in. Sometimes you can activate it again and use > it as a second display but not always. The reason it often doesn't work > is that the onboard video is AGP based, and you can't have more than one > AGP device in a system. PCIe and PCI works differently. > > > The back story and prize: Dug up my old Dell/Trinitron 20" CRT and thought > > "hey, this would be great for X-Plane and general use on my Linux desktop". > > and then I plugged it in and remembered why I switched to LCD's. I'm just > > weird enough to be able to see the refresh (even at 60+ Hz). It's also not > > as bright as my Samsung SyncMaster, which I find surprising, and overall > > isn't doing me very well. So, whoever answers first gets first dibs if (and > > there's still a chance I might find a use for it, but not likely) I decide > > to get rid of it. > > I have a 21" Dell Trinetron with a slight focus problem in the top left > corner I am not using anymore. It is going out as soon as I get around > to it, unless someone happens to think they have a use for such a > monster. I got a nice 24" LCD which takes up much less desk space and > is in focus. Oh and I have a 21" NEC as well which sometimes looses the > blue channel (power cycle always fixes it for a little while) which is > also going out. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 15:30:55 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:30:55 -0400 Subject: .odt or .sxw ? In-Reply-To: <46E94874.1010205-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46E94874.1010205@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46E957AF.7040605@rogers.com> Chris Aitken wrote: > I think that this is a simple enough OO question that it's not worth > joining their mailing list: > > My OO 2.2 defaults to .odt when saving files. So, I keep saving it as > .sxw. I have to keep comfirming that I want to save as .sxw. I'm tired > of doing this. Is there no .sxw 2.x file format. Is .odt the new > standard. Almost all of my saved files are .sxw. Should I be making > the switch. I don't think I use any of the newer features (whatever > they are) that I'm ever going to lose anything critical either way. I > guess OO is just warning me that some features may not be there if I > create in OO 2.2 but save in OO 1. I guess OO 2.2 doesn't look at > what's in my specific document before advising. > > A minor annoyance but I'd like to know if I should change how I'm > doing things. > The default format for OpenOffice 2 is the ISO standard OpenDocument Format. If you want to always save in the older OpenOffice 1 formats, you can make that the default. However, is there any reason to continue using the older format? The only reason I can think of, is that you want to give the files to someone who can only run the 1.x versions of OpenOffice or equivalent StarOffice. OpenOffice 2 can read and write both file types. If you wish, you can convert all your existing files to the new format by using a wizard. I'd say go with the new format, as it is the ISO standard. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 15:36:21 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:36:21 -0400 Subject: .odt or .sxw ? In-Reply-To: <46E957AF.7040605-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46E94874.1010205@chrisaitken.net> <46E957AF.7040605@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46E958F5.1040107@chrisaitken.net> James Knott wrote: > The default format for OpenOffice 2 is the ISO standard OpenDocument > Format. If you want to always save in the older OpenOffice 1 formats, > you can make that the default. However, is there any reason to > continue using the older format? The only reason I can think of, is > that you want to give the files to someone who can only run the 1.x > versions of OpenOffice or equivalent StarOffice. OpenOffice 2 can > read and write both file types. If you wish, you can convert all your > existing files to the new format by using a wizard. Okay, I tried the Wizard. Unfortunately it does a Save As (so I'm left with two files) and then I have to delete the .sxw. There doesn't seem to be a switch to delete original... > I'd say go with the new format, as it is the ISO standard. Okay. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 15:45:09 2007 From: jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: Programmers' Day Message-ID: Today is the 256th day of the year. Happy Programmers' Day, everyone! JV -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 15:46:11 2007 From: david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (David Payne) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:46:11 -0300 Subject: .odt or .sxw ? In-Reply-To: <46E958F5.1040107-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46E94874.1010205@chrisaitken.net> <46E957AF.7040605@rogers.com> <46E958F5.1040107@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070913154610.GB20259@payneful.ca> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 11:36:21AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > James Knott wrote: > > > >The default format for OpenOffice 2 is the ISO standard OpenDocument > >Format. If you want to always save in the older OpenOffice 1 formats, > >you can make that the default. However, is there any reason to > >continue using the older format? The only reason I can think of, is > >that you want to give the files to someone who can only run the 1.x > >versions of OpenOffice or equivalent StarOffice. OpenOffice 2 can > >read and write both file types. If you wish, you can convert all your > >existing files to the new format by using a wizard. > Okay, I tried the Wizard. Unfortunately it does a Save As (so I'm left > with two files) and then I have to delete the .sxw. There doesn't seem > to be a switch to delete original... You could do a rm *.sxw. > >I'd say go with the new format, as it is the ISO standard. > Okay. > > Chris > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 16:18:17 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:18:17 -0400 Subject: OT: Programmers' Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46e962c7.0c69400a.4dd4.ffff8089@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of John > Vetterli > Sent: Thursday 13 September 2007 11:45 > To: Toronto Linux Users' Group > Subject: [TLUG]: OT: Programmers' Day > > Today is the 256th day of the year. Happy Programmers' Day, everyone! Okay, I'm likely to get flamed or at least singed for this one... ... but shouldn't EE's get a little more credit for 2^8? I have a feeling most programmers today don't understand the significance of the number, unless they've gotten into the guts of C at the device level or actually gone out to read what goes on behind the scenes. That said, I've seen both clueless circuit designers and very clued-in software guys who knew more about the hardware than them. I guess my point is that it should be a little more inclusive. -kms, putting on the ol' asbestos underwear -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 16:37:32 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:37:32 -0700 Subject: TLUG spam (was: Re:Your C1alis 0rder #807509) In-Reply-To: <20070913144741.GM5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070912221336.7752583836@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20070913144741.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709130937j43d38e16g5c07de15b0c1d0f7@mail.gmail.com> Reverse lookups to ensure that mail from ss.org is coming from that IP? On 9/13/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 06:13:36PM -0400, Dave Mason wrote: > > Is this the result of TLUG accepting posting from the world? Or is > > someone here running Windows and thier computer is infected? I suspect > > the former based on the only apparently useful header: > > > > X-Originating-IP: 234.239.150.212 by smtp.201.17.187.101; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:48:28 -0500 > > > > For those IPs I get: > > ; host 234.239.150.212 > > Host 212.150.239.234.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) > > ; host 201.17.187.101 > > 101.187.17.201.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer c911bb65.bhz.virtua.com.br. > > > > Can we make the list so only people on the list can email to the list? Please??? > > I think someone discovered that drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org as your From: address will > allow posting anything you want to the mailing list. Perhaps the mail > server should be more picky about where it thinks drew can send mail > from. On the other hand the mailing list is expecting to receive > incoming mail from subscribers (which i am sure drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org is), and > forward it to all members of the list. > > So simply messages sent with a fake From: address which the mailing list > accepts. > > Any spammer that uses a forged from address of any subscriner to the > list would be able to do what this spammer is doing, and I am not sure > what you can do about it. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 16:47:00 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:47:00 -0400 Subject: OT: Programmers' Day In-Reply-To: <46e962c7.0c69400a.4dd4.ffff8089-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46e962c7.0c69400a.4dd4.ffff8089@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0709130947s620b6641i597f2ca280e382ce@mail.gmail.com> On 9/13/07, Kareem Shehata wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of John > > Vetterli > > Sent: Thursday 13 September 2007 11:45 > > To: Toronto Linux Users' Group > > Subject: [TLUG]: OT: Programmers' Day > > > > Today is the 256th day of the year. Happy Programmers' Day, everyone! > > Okay, I'm likely to get flamed or at least singed for this one... > > ... but shouldn't EE's get a little more credit for 2^8? I have a feeling > most programmers today don't understand the significance of the number, > unless they've gotten into the guts of C at the device level or actually > gone out to read what goes on behind the scenes. > > That said, I've seen both clueless circuit designers and very clued-in > software guys who knew more about the hardware than them. I guess my point > is that it should be a little more inclusive. Please correct me if I wrong, but I'm thinking that by EE you mean Electronics Engineers. If so, I've always considered them to be programmers; I used to be an electronics hobbyist, even breadboarding a partially functional 4-bit CPU at school. Programmers use symbols, EE's use physical components. There's not much difference otherwise, at least to my mind. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 17:08:10 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:08:10 -0400 Subject: Dual display with built-in mobo video In-Reply-To: <20070913145138.GN5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070913145138.GN5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46e96e77.0f1f400a.48aa.ffff8ccc@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Lennart > Sorensen > Sent: Thursday 13 September 2007 10:52 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Dual display with built-in mobo video > > Which motherboard, and more importantly which chipset does it have > onboard for video? Mobo: Elitegroup P4M800PRO-M478 Chipset: VT8237 Southbridge, P4M800PRO(?) Northbridge The manual describes the video as being integrated to the northbridge "UniChrome Pro 3D/2D" > On most boards the internal video is disabled automatically when an add > in agp card is plugged in. Sometimes you can activate it again and use > it as a second display but not always. The reason it often doesn't work > is that the onboard video is AGP based, and you can't have more than one > AGP device in a system. PCIe and PCI works differently. Yea, I couldn't find an option in the BIOS other than "Primary Video". It looks like that's pretty much what it's doing. > I have a 21" Dell Trinetron with a slight focus problem in the top left > corner I am not using anymore. It is going out as soon as I get around > to it, unless someone happens to think they have a use for such a > monster. I got a nice 24" LCD which takes up much less desk space and > is in focus. Oh and I have a 21" NEC as well which sometimes looses the > blue channel (power cycle always fixes it for a little while) which is > also going out. I remember being so excited when I saw this one at Factory Direct, and even happier when I got it home and it actually worked well. It was my standby for years, and made many of my college mates jealous. Le sigh, how things change. Oh well. I guess this is a good change: the old tubes consume a ton of energy too. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 17:08:51 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:08:51 -0400 Subject: Dual display with built-in mobo video In-Reply-To: <1f13df280709130749n3565036ej693accd4ffcba38d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280709130749n3565036ej693accd4ffcba38d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46e96ea0.1d80400a.0f90.7a25@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Giles Orr > Sent: Thursday 13 September 2007 10:49 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Dual display with built-in mobo video > > My guess is that your mobo has automatically switched off the onboard > video - they often do this when you insert a new card that has the > same functionality as something already onboard (I've seen this > particularly with sound cards, but I think I've seen it with video > too). Go into the BIOS and see if you can turn the onboard video on > again. Looks like it. The only setting I could find was for Primary Display: PCI or AGP. Oh well, it was worth a shot. Thanks, -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 17:13:32 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:13:32 -0400 Subject: OT: Programmers' Day In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0709130947s620b6641i597f2ca280e382ce-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709130947s620b6641i597f2ca280e382ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46e96fb9.1d80400a.0f90.7b27@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Scott > Elcomb > Sent: Thursday 13 September 2007 12:47 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Programmers' Day > > Please correct me if I wrong, but I'm thinking that by EE you mean > Electronics Engineers. Yup. > If so, I've always considered them to be programmers; I used to be an > electronics hobbyist, even breadboarding a partially functional 4-bit > CPU at school. Programmers use symbols, EE's use physical components. > There's not much difference otherwise, at least to my mind. It's true that many of the techniques are similar, particularly now that hardware can be described in several HDL's (hardware description language), but the actual process is quite different. More than anything, hardware engineers simply think differently and approach problems differently. Not necessarily a bad thing, in fact it can often be helpful. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 17:26:17 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:26:17 -0400 Subject: .odt or .sxw ? In-Reply-To: <46E958F5.1040107-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46E94874.1010205@chrisaitken.net> <46E957AF.7040605@rogers.com> <46E958F5.1040107@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46E972B9.4010800@rogers.com> Chris Aitken wrote: > James Knott wrote: > > >> The default format for OpenOffice 2 is the ISO standard OpenDocument >> Format. If you want to always save in the older OpenOffice 1 >> formats, you can make that the default. However, is there any reason >> to continue using the older format? The only reason I can think of, >> is that you want to give the files to someone who can only run the >> 1.x versions of OpenOffice or equivalent StarOffice. OpenOffice 2 >> can read and write both file types. If you wish, you can convert all >> your existing files to the new format by using a wizard. > Okay, I tried the Wizard. Unfortunately it does a Save As (so I'm left > with two files) and then I have to delete the .sxw. There doesn't seem > to be a switch to delete original... I believe that's intended as a safety feature, against possible corruption. There's nothing to stop you from using wild cards i.e. *.sxw to move or delete the originals. Also, now that you've converted to ODF files, you can use other word processors, such as KWrite or Abiword with those files. They also supported by other apps, such as Lotus Notes 8 and Google Apps or even MS Office (requires Sun ODF pluggin). -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 17:27:58 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:27:58 -0400 Subject: OT: Programmers' Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46E9731E.3040906@rogers.com> John Vetterli wrote: > Today is the 256th day of the year. Happy Programmers' Day, everyone! > There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 17:40:05 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:40:05 -0400 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709130937j43d38e16g5c07de15b0c1d0f7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070912221336.7752583836@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20070913144741.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef0709130937j43d38e16g5c07de15b0c1d0f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E975F5.1050300@rogers.com> Tyler Aviss wrote: > Reverse lookups to ensure that mail from ss.org is coming from that IP? > > Not quite. It's entirely possible to use another SMTP server than the one provided by an ISP, as I occasionally do, when sending from work. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 17:43:01 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:43:01 -0400 Subject: .odt or .sxw ? In-Reply-To: <46E972B9.4010800-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46E94874.1010205@chrisaitken.net> <46E957AF.7040605@rogers.com> <46E958F5.1040107@chrisaitken.net> <46E972B9.4010800@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46E976A5.8080902@chrisaitken.net> James Knott wrote: >> Okay, I tried the Wizard. Unfortunately it does a Save As (so I'm >> left with two files) and then I have to delete the .sxw. There >> doesn't seem to be a switch to delete original... > > I believe that's intended as a safety feature, against possible > corruption. There's nothing to stop you from using wild cards i.e. > *.sxw to move or delete the originals. Also, now that you've > converted to ODF files, you can use other word processors, such as > KWrite or Abiword with those files. They also supported by other > apps, such as Lotus Notes 8 and Google Apps or even MS Office > (requires Sun ODF pluggin). Okay, but, as always, never WordPerfect... (not that I care). Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 17:54:34 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:54:34 -0400 Subject: net-snmp help Message-ID: <20070913175434.GD22353@watson-wilson.ca> Try as I might cannot get net-snmp to send traps for any high loads or disk space shortages. Started snmpd and then load the CPU for more than 15 minutes. I also, filled the /home partition to 100%. In both cases tcpdump showed no snmp traffic other than a trap send when the agent was started. Both load and disk traps were not generated. Why? # Test snmp.conf file by Neil Watson # Wed Aug 29 13:51:29 EDT 2007 syscontact nhwatson-hcDgGtZH8xNBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ############################################################## # Authentication # v3 rouser roperson priv rwuser rwperson priv createUser roperson MD5 ******** DES ************ createUser rwperson MD5 ******** DES ************ # v2 rocommunity ********* rwcommunity ********* 172.16.0.0 # traping trapcommunity ********* # v2c traps trap2sink 172.16.48.5 # Send a trap on failed authentication attempts authtrapenable 1 ############################################################## # load average checks # load [1MAX=DEFMAXLOADAVE] [5MAX=DEFMAXLOADAVE] [15MAX=DEFMAXLOADAVE] # # 1MAX: If the 1 minute load average is above this limit at query # time, the errorFlag will be set. # 5MAX: Similar, but for 5 min average. # 15MAX: Similar, but for 15 min average. # MIB: .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.10 # Check for loads: load 1 2 2 ############################################################## # disk checks # # The agent can check the amount of available disk space, and make # sure it is above a set limit. # disk PATH [MIN=DEFDISKMINIMUMSPACE] # # PATH: mount path to the disk in question. # MIN: Disks with space below this value will have the Mib's errorFlag # set. # Default value = DEFDISKMINIMUMSPACE. # MIB: .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.9 # Check the / partition and make sure it contains at least 10 megs. disk / 10000 disk /var 10000 disk /home 10000 disk /opt 10000 ############################################################## # swap checks # Check if swap falls below a minimum of available space (kb) swap 1000 ############################################################## # Other traps # monitor [OPTIONS] NAME EXPRESSION -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 21 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 17:57:29 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:57:29 -0400 Subject: Dual display with built-in mobo video In-Reply-To: <313ea3dd0709130812r138e2dc2ke48e32e8874b2ab0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46e89517.0108400a.5ad9.fffff0d3@mx.google.com> <20070913145138.GN5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <313ea3dd0709130812r138e2dc2ke48e32e8874b2ab0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070913175729.GP5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 11:12:31AM -0400, Michael Kennedy wrote: > It's hard to part ways from those old CRTs, eh? > > When disposing of old gear, I find the most efficient way is to post > as ***FREE*** on toronto.craigslist.org, but if you are going to > actually throw it out, the City of Toronto takes old computers and > monitors at their drop-off depots. > > See: http://www.toronto.ca/garbage/pdf/solidwastedrop-offdepots.pdf > > If you're in Waterloo, as your e-mail address suggests, then they have > a program as well, which is fee-based. No I am in thornhill. I went to university in Waterloo. :) > Am I the only one that feels so guilty for sending things to the > landfill? I wish there was an eco-friendly way of disposal. Does > anyone know of any other options that might be available? I have bins > full of old derelict cables & devices, and I really would rather they > didn't end up under a bulldozer if that's at all possible. I reuse lots of old computer stuff, but these monitors are just in the way and I won't be using them anymore. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 17:56:55 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:56:55 -0400 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <20070913144741.GM5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070912221336.7752583836@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20070913144741.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46E979E7.8000600@dinamis.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 06:13:36PM -0400, Dave Mason wrote: >> Is this the result of TLUG accepting posting from the world? Or is >> someone here running Windows and thier computer is infected? I suspect >> the former based on the only apparently useful header: >> >> X-Originating-IP: 234.239.150.212 by smtp.201.17.187.101; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:48:28 -0500 >> >> For those IPs I get: >> ; host 234.239.150.212 >> Host 212.150.239.234.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) >> ; host 201.17.187.101 >> 101.187.17.201.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer c911bb65.bhz.virtua.com.br. >> >> Can we make the list so only people on the list can email to the list? Please??? > > I think someone discovered that drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org as your From: address will > allow posting anything you want to the mailing list. Perhaps the mail > server should be more picky about where it thinks drew can send mail > from. On the other hand the mailing list is expecting to receive > incoming mail from subscribers (which i am sure drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org is), and > forward it to all members of the list. > > So simply messages sent with a fake From: address which the mailing list > accepts. > > Any spammer that uses a forged from address of any subscriner to the > list would be able to do what this spammer is doing, and I am not sure > what you can do about it. Is there is a way to configure a list server to accept only PGP signed messages? That way, even if someone spoofs the email address of a subscriber, it would not do him any good unless he also has the PGP key of the subscriber. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 17:59:33 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:59:33 -0400 Subject: .odt or .sxw ? In-Reply-To: <46E976A5.8080902-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46E94874.1010205@chrisaitken.net> <46E957AF.7040605@rogers.com> <46E958F5.1040107@chrisaitken.net> <46E972B9.4010800@rogers.com> <46E976A5.8080902@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46E97A85.8040202@rogers.com> Chris Aitken wrote: > James Knott wrote: > > >>> Okay, I tried the Wizard. Unfortunately it does a Save As (so I'm >>> left with two files) and then I have to delete the .sxw. There >>> doesn't seem to be a switch to delete original... >> >> I believe that's intended as a safety feature, against possible >> corruption. There's nothing to stop you from using wild cards i.e. >> *.sxw to move or delete the originals. Also, now that you've >> converted to ODF files, you can use other word processors, such as >> KWrite or Abiword with those files. They also supported by other >> apps, such as Lotus Notes 8 and Google Apps or even MS Office >> (requires Sun ODF pluggin). > Okay, but, as always, never WordPerfect... (not that I care). > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2065160,00.asp -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 18:01:40 2007 From: jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: Programmers' Day In-Reply-To: <46e962c7.0c69400a.4dd4.ffff8089-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46e962c7.0c69400a.4dd4.ffff8089@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, Kareem Shehata wrote: > ... but shouldn't EE's get a little more credit for 2^8? I have a feeling > most programmers today don't understand the significance of the number, > ... Heh. I was originally going to write "Today is Day 0xFF ..." but I was afraid too many people wouldn't get hexadecimal or counting-from-zero. JV -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 18:22:19 2007 From: david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (David Payne) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:22:19 -0300 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <46E979E7.8000600-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20070912221336.7752583836@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20070913144741.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46E979E7.8000600@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20070913182219.GD20259@payneful.ca> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 01:56:55PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Is there is a way to configure a list server to accept only PGP signed > messages? That way, even if someone spoofs the email address of a > subscriber, it would not do him any good unless he also has the PGP key > of the subscriber. A lot of people don't sign their emails with a PGP key. It would make it more difficult for new people to sign up to the list. David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 18:43:48 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:43:48 -0400 Subject: Dual display with built-in mobo video In-Reply-To: <46e96e77.0f1f400a.48aa.ffff8ccc-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070913145138.GN5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46e96e77.0f1f400a.48aa.ffff8ccc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20070913184348.GQ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 01:08:10PM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: > Mobo: Elitegroup P4M800PRO-M478 > Chipset: VT8237 Southbridge, P4M800PRO(?) Northbridge > > The manual describes the video as being integrated to the northbridge > "UniChrome Pro 3D/2D" Oh one of those lovely via P4 chipsets. > Yea, I couldn't find an option in the BIOS other than "Primary Video". It > looks like that's pretty much what it's doing. Certainly a modern PCI card should work as a second video output. Of course many AGP cards are also dual monitor which is usually even simpler. Since the internal video appears to be AGP based, it seems very unlikely that you can enable it while an AGP card is installed. You could use it along with a PCI card though. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 18:57:18 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:57:18 -0400 Subject: Dual display with built-in mobo video In-Reply-To: <20070913184348.GQ5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070913184348.GQ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46e9880a.0d1f400a.0279.ffffd549@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Lennart > Sorensen > Sent: Thursday 13 September 2007 14:44 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Dual display with built-in mobo video > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 01:08:10PM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: > > Mobo: Elitegroup P4M800PRO-M478 > > Chipset: VT8237 Southbridge, P4M800PRO(?) Northbridge > > > > The manual describes the video as being integrated to the northbridge > > "UniChrome Pro 3D/2D" > > Oh one of those lovely via P4 chipsets. Yea, my old Asus board blew spectacularly on a Saturday afternoon of a long weekend and I needed this PC. This was the best that could be found at the local PC shop, and I talked the guy down to a reasonable price. > Certainly a modern PCI card should work as a second video output. Of > course many AGP cards are also dual monitor which is usually even > simpler. Since the internal video appears to be AGP based, it seems > very unlikely that you can enable it while an AGP card is installed. > You could use it along with a PCI card though. Methinks I'm trying to stretch this workstation a little far. I'm sure it could do it exactly as you've described, but it would require buying two pieces now: a monitor and a video card. I'd been hoping that I could get away with not buying anything new, but it looks like I'll have to re-evaluate what exactly I need this PC to do. Thanks for your help on this. The offer stands to both you and Giles for the monitor. If neither of you want it, then I'll see what craigslist can do for it. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 19:01:16 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:01:16 -0400 Subject: Dual display with built-in mobo video In-Reply-To: <313ea3dd0709130812r138e2dc2ke48e32e8874b2ab0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <313ea3dd0709130812r138e2dc2ke48e32e8874b2ab0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46e988f8.0f1f400a.48aa.ffffa8dc@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Michael > Kennedy > Sent: Thursday 13 September 2007 11:13 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Dual display with built-in mobo video > Am I the only one that feels so guilty for sending things to the > landfill? I wish there was an eco-friendly way of disposal. Does > anyone know of any other options that might be available? I have bins > full of old derelict cables & devices, and I really would rather they > didn't end up under a bulldozer if that's at all possible. Toronto has a great system for it. We call it CuRB. Step 1: gather up what you don't want. Step 2: Put it in a box, preferably with an open top Step 3: Put the box somewhere between your front door and the curb. Step 4: Come back 1 day later Step 5: Wonder loudly where it all went, when garbage pickup isn't for another 2 days Dunno if it's just my neighborhood, but anything left out that isn't tied down or behind a fence gets taken. Box and sign saying free are optional. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 19:52:56 2007 From: gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (George Nicol) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:52:56 -0400 Subject: OT: Programmers' Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46E99518.6010806@primus.ca> What day is Saturday? Software Freedom Day! What's happening in the GTA for SF Day? Sweet FA! Nothing. There are registered Software Freedom Day teams holding events in Barrie, Windsor, Ottawa, and London, Ontario. But 10% of Canada will not be participating in this worldwide event. How sad. Fortunately, every day is SF Day at djp's LinuxCaffe. . -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From contact-4ysUXcep3aM1wj+D4I0NRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 21:07:44 2007 From: contact-4ysUXcep3aM1wj+D4I0NRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Savoir-Faire Linux) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:07:44 -0400 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Software_Freedom_Day_/_SQIL2007_-_La_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?longue_route_du_logiciel_libre_au_Qu=E9bec_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?/_The_Long_Road_to_Free_Software_in_Quebe?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?c?= Message-ID: <46E9A6A0.7020207@savoirfairelinux.com> Mes chers confr?res/ Dear colleagues, Veuillez trouvez ci joint, en avant premi?re de la Semaine qu?b?coise de l'informatique libre et de la Software Freedom Day, un article sur la situation du logiciel libre au Qu?bec : En Fran?ais : La longue route du logiciel libre au Qu?bec In English : The Long Road to Free Software in Quebec Bien ? vous, -- Cyrille B?raud, Savoir-faire Linux inc., pr?sident. T?l.: (514) 276-5468 ext 123 T?l.: (613) 686-1620 ext 123 T?l.: (418) 525-7354 ext 123 T?l.: 877-SFLINUX (1-877-735-4689) ext 123 Fax : 514 276-5465 http://www.savoirfairelinux.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cyrille.beraud-4ysUXcep3aM1wj+D4I0NRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 20:39:42 2007 From: cyrille.beraud-4ysUXcep3aM1wj+D4I0NRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cyrille_B=E9raud?=) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:39:42 -0400 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Software_Freedom_Day_/_SQIL2007_-_La_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?longue_route_du_logiciel_libre_au_Qu=E9bec_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?/_The_Long_Road_to_Free_Software_in_Quebe?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?c_?= Message-ID: <46E9A00E.3090009@savoirfairelinux.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cyrille.beraud.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 492 bytes Desc: not available URL: From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 21:13:22 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:13:22 -0400 Subject: .odt or .sxw ? In-Reply-To: <46E94874.1010205-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46E94874.1010205@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46E9A7F2.6040802@telly.org> Chris Aitken wrote: > I think that this is a simple enough OO question that it's not worth > joining their mailing list: > > My OO 2.2 defaults to .odt when saving files. So, I keep saving it as > .sxw. I have to keep comfirming that I want to save as .sxw. I'm tired > of doing this. Is there no .sxw 2.x file format. Is .odt the new standard. The .sxw is far less of a 'standard' than ODT. IIRC, OpenOffice/StarOffice is the only software that can really open the old .sx? formats properly. There are reports that the KOffice filters were unreliable. OTOH, ODT is an ISO standard that will be supported (natively or via plugin) by all major office suites. > Almost all of my saved files are .sxw. Should I be making the switch. > I don't think I use any of the newer features (whatever they are) that > I'm ever going to lose anything critical either way. I guess OO is > just warning me that some features may not be there if I create in OO > 2.2 but save in OO 1. I guess OO 2.2 doesn't look at what's in my > specific document before advising. The only downside of storing in ODT is that the files can't be opened in OpenOffice 1.X. My own suggestion is 'if it's not broken don't fix it'. Keep older files as .sxw, but as you need to modify them save the result as .odt. You're making your files more standards-compliant that way. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 21:24:40 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:24:40 -0400 Subject: .odt or .sxw ? In-Reply-To: <46E9A7F2.6040802-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46E94874.1010205@chrisaitken.net> <46E9A7F2.6040802@telly.org> Message-ID: <46E9AA98.9090906@rogers.com> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > The only downside of storing in ODT is that the files can't be opened in > OpenOffice 1.X. > > Actually, v1.1.5 can read, but not write ODF files. It's still available for download, so it's a viable option for those who can't run v2. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 22:42:51 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Selma Hartley) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:42:51 -0500 Subject: Your C1alis 0rder #89172 Message-ID: We have everything you need: Phenterm1ne, Cial1s S0ft T4bs, V1agra S0ft T4bs, Cial1s, V1agra, Lev1tra, Propec1a, Val1um, Xan4x, Amb1en, Zyb4n, Atar4x, At1van, Car1soma, Ultr4m, Glucoph4ge, Lip1tor, Mer1dia, Zoc0r, N0rvasc. We respect your privacy - we guarantee you a total anonymity of your 0rder. Visit US He4lthc4re Inc. online at: http://www.jeuwihhb.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 21:46:33 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:46:33 -0400 Subject: .odt or .sxw ? In-Reply-To: <46E9A7F2.6040802-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46E94874.1010205@chrisaitken.net> <46E9A7F2.6040802@telly.org> Message-ID: <46E9AFB9.2000004@chrisaitken.net> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I think that this is a simple enough OO question that it's not worth >> joining their mailing list: >> >> My OO 2.2 defaults to .odt when saving files. So, I keep saving it as >> .sxw. I have to keep comfirming that I want to save as .sxw. I'm tired >> of doing this. Is there no .sxw 2.x file format. Is .odt the new standard. >> > The .sxw is far less of a 'standard' than ODT. IIRC, > OpenOffice/StarOffice is the only software that can really open the old > .sx? formats properly. There are reports that the KOffice filters were > unreliable. OTOH, ODT is an ISO standard that will be supported > (natively or via plugin) by all major office suites. > > >> Almost all of my saved files are .sxw. Should I be making the switch. >> I don't think I use any of the newer features (whatever they are) that >> I'm ever going to lose anything critical either way. I guess OO is >> just warning me that some features may not be there if I create in OO >> 2.2 but save in OO 1. I guess OO 2.2 doesn't look at what's in my >> specific document before advising. >> > The only downside of storing in ODT is that the files can't be opened in > OpenOffice 1.X. > But you could always Save As .sxw...? > My own suggestion is 'if it's not broken don't fix it'. Keep older files > as .sxw, but as you need to modify them save the result as .odt. You're > making your files more standards-compliant that way. > Okay. Chris > - Evan > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 22:06:45 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:06:45 -0700 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <46E975F5.1050300-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20070912221336.7752583836@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20070913144741.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef0709130937j43d38e16g5c07de15b0c1d0f7@mail.gmail.com> <46E975F5.1050300@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709131506v5eff6983naec2b52570144a3c@mail.gmail.com> True. I considered that myself after I wrote, since I'm cheap my site is on a dynamic-dns and uses my ISP's SMTP server as a forwarder, so it wouldn't work for me either (if I used my site's mail instead of gmail) On 9/13/07, James Knott wrote: > Tyler Aviss wrote: > > Reverse lookups to ensure that mail from ss.org is coming from that IP? > > > > > > Not quite. It's entirely possible to use another SMTP server than the > one provided by an ISP, as I occasionally do, when sending from work. > > -- > Use OpenOffice.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 22:10:12 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:10:12 -0700 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <46E979E7.8000600-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20070912221336.7752583836@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20070913144741.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46E979E7.8000600@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709131510r5fc532b0o791f4099d3869bee@mail.gmail.com> Hmmm, how many of these are coming up with invalid domains? If that was the case, then perhaps we could just ignore mail that comes up with a host-not-found for the reverse-DNS? Of course, that would break mailservers which don't have a proper reverse-DNS, but at least there's nothing to say we must require the reverse-DNS actually resolves to the @someserver.com of the sender... Alternately, perhaps it could check against a listing of users that are known to have PGP keys (and require such), that would prevent spammers from at least using those addresses. On 9/13/07, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 06:13:36PM -0400, Dave Mason wrote: > >> Is this the result of TLUG accepting posting from the world? Or is > >> someone here running Windows and thier computer is infected? I suspect > >> the former based on the only apparently useful header: > >> > >> X-Originating-IP: 234.239.150.212 by smtp.201.17.187.101; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:48:28 -0500 > >> > >> For those IPs I get: > >> ; host 234.239.150.212 > >> Host 212.150.239.234.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) > >> ; host 201.17.187.101 > >> 101.187.17.201.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer c911bb65.bhz.virtua.com.br. > >> > >> Can we make the list so only people on the list can email to the list? Please??? > > > > I think someone discovered that drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org as your From: address will > > allow posting anything you want to the mailing list. Perhaps the mail > > server should be more picky about where it thinks drew can send mail > > from. On the other hand the mailing list is expecting to receive > > incoming mail from subscribers (which i am sure drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org is), and > > forward it to all members of the list. > > > > So simply messages sent with a fake From: address which the mailing list > > accepts. > > > > Any spammer that uses a forged from address of any subscriner to the > > list would be able to do what this spammer is doing, and I am not sure > > what you can do about it. > > Is there is a way to configure a list server to accept only PGP signed > messages? That way, even if someone spoofs the email address of a > subscriber, it would not do him any good unless he also has the PGP key > of the subscriber. > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis Corporation > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 22:15:42 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:15:42 -0700 Subject: Spam issues Message-ID: <3a97ef0709131515r3dec5676tad81446f8d1945@mail.gmail.com> Just a question. What filtering (if any) is done on the LUG emails. I notice that most of these buggers tend to be using "l33t" speak to avoid filters, so perhaps if we more aggressively filtering (not blocking, but bumping up the spam-score) anything with more than one "word" with mixed alphanumeric characters might help? I know I stopped getting pretty much any spam but the ones that use capcha'ed images nowadays, and I don't really want to strain my server trying to decode those with fuzzy-ocx or something of the like just at the moment. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From michael-FlpYSvOe4ac6W4JZGn+SJw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 22:23:15 2007 From: michael-FlpYSvOe4ac6W4JZGn+SJw at public.gmane.org (Michael Kennedy) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:23:15 -0400 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709131510r5fc532b0o791f4099d3869bee-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070912221336.7752583836@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20070913144741.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46E979E7.8000600@dinamis.com> <3a97ef0709131510r5fc532b0o791f4099d3869bee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <313ea3dd0709131523j43da39b9y70dbd0e77885c986@mail.gmail.com> Another approach would be to invalidate mail coming from list members that have incorrect full names.... As an example, the ones that are coming in now are supposedly from 'drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org', and 'drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org's usual full name is "Drew Sullivan", so if we see a message coming in from 'drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org' with a name like "Selma Hartley", then that should raise the 'spamosity' metrics of the message and push it into the teeth of the filter. Is that doable? MK On 9/13/07, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Hmmm, how many of these are coming up with invalid domains? If that > was the case, then perhaps we could just ignore mail that comes up > with a host-not-found for the reverse-DNS? > > Of course, that would break mailservers which don't have a proper > reverse-DNS, but at least there's nothing to say we must require the > reverse-DNS actually resolves to the @someserver.com of the sender... > > Alternately, perhaps it could check against a listing of users that > are known to have PGP keys (and require such), that would prevent > spammers from at least using those addresses. > > On 9/13/07, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 06:13:36PM -0400, Dave Mason wrote: > > >> Is this the result of TLUG accepting posting from the world? Or is > > >> someone here running Windows and thier computer is infected? I suspect > > >> the former based on the only apparently useful header: > > >> > > >> X-Originating-IP: 234.239.150.212 by smtp.201.17.187.101; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:48:28 -0500 > > >> > > >> For those IPs I get: > > >> ; host 234.239.150.212 > > >> Host 212.150.239.234.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) > > >> ; host 201.17.187.101 > > >> 101.187.17.201.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer c911bb65.bhz.virtua.com.br. > > >> > > >> Can we make the list so only people on the list can email to the list? Please??? > > > > > > I think someone discovered that drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org as your From: address will > > > allow posting anything you want to the mailing list. Perhaps the mail > > > server should be more picky about where it thinks drew can send mail > > > from. On the other hand the mailing list is expecting to receive > > > incoming mail from subscribers (which i am sure drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org is), and > > > forward it to all members of the list. > > > > > > So simply messages sent with a fake From: address which the mailing list > > > accepts. > > > > > > Any spammer that uses a forged from address of any subscriner to the > > > list would be able to do what this spammer is doing, and I am not sure > > > what you can do about it. > > > > Is there is a way to configure a list server to accept only PGP signed > > messages? That way, even if someone spoofs the email address of a > > subscriber, it would not do him any good unless he also has the PGP key > > of the subscriber. > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Clifford Ilkay > > Dinamis Corporation > > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > > Toronto, ON > > Canada M4N 3P6 > > > > > > +1 416-410-3326 > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 22:40:19 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <313ea3dd0709131523j43da39b9y70dbd0e77885c986-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <313ea3dd0709131523j43da39b9y70dbd0e77885c986@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <617216.17244.qm@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Michael Kennedy wrote: > Another approach would be to invalidate mail coming > from list members > that have incorrect full names.... As an example, > the ones that are > coming in now are supposedly from 'drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org', and > 'drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org's > usual full name is "Drew Sullivan", so if we see a > message coming in > from 'drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org' with a name like "Selma Hartley", > then that should > raise the 'spamosity' metrics of the message and > push it into the > teeth of the filter. > > Is that doable? Yes, but it carries another problem, members whose names change. The most recent example that I can think of (and there is at least one other examples I could name) is Leah Cunningham / Kubik . Here we have a case where Leah Cunningham joined the list, but postings from that person (thanks to marriage) are now under the name Leah Kubik. In other words, yes, screening based on the name the person joined under would help, but introduce a new set of issues. Which is worse? Colin McGregor > MK > > > On 9/13/07, Tyler Aviss wrote: > > Hmmm, how many of these are coming up with invalid > domains? If that > > was the case, then perhaps we could just ignore > mail that comes up > > with a host-not-found for the reverse-DNS? > > > > Of course, that would break mailservers which > don't have a proper > > reverse-DNS, but at least there's nothing to say > we must require the > > reverse-DNS actually resolves to the > @someserver.com of the sender... > > > > Alternately, perhaps it could check against a > listing of users that > > are known to have PGP keys (and require such), > that would prevent > > spammers from at least using those addresses. > > > > On 9/13/07, CLIFFORD ILKAY > wrote: > > > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 06:13:36PM -0400, Dave > Mason wrote: > > > >> Is this the result of TLUG accepting posting > from the world? Or is > > > >> someone here running Windows and thier > computer is infected? I suspect > > > >> the former based on the only apparently > useful header: > > > >> > > > >> X-Originating-IP: 234.239.150.212 by > smtp.201.17.187.101; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:48:28 > -0500 > > > >> > > > >> For those IPs I get: > > > >> ; host 234.239.150.212 > > > >> Host 212.150.239.234.in-addr.arpa not > found: 3(NXDOMAIN) > > > >> ; host 201.17.187.101 > > > >> 101.187.17.201.in-addr.arpa domain name > pointer c911bb65.bhz.virtua.com.br. > > > >> > > > >> Can we make the list so only people on the > list can email to the list? Please??? > > > > > > > > I think someone discovered that drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org as > your From: address will > > > > allow posting anything you want to the mailing > list. Perhaps the mail > > > > server should be more picky about where it > thinks drew can send mail > > > > from. On the other hand the mailing list is > expecting to receive > > > > incoming mail from subscribers (which i am > sure drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org is), and > > > > forward it to all members of the list. > > > > > > > > So simply messages sent with a fake From: > address which the mailing list > > > > accepts. > > > > > > > > Any spammer that uses a forged from address of > any subscriner to the > > > > list would be able to do what this spammer is > doing, and I am not sure > > > > what you can do about it. > > > > > > Is there is a way to configure a list server to > accept only PGP signed > > > messages? That way, even if someone spoofs the > email address of a > > > subscriber, it would not do him any good unless > he also has the PGP key > > > of the subscriber. > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > > > > Clifford Ilkay > > > Dinamis Corporation > > > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > > > Toronto, ON > > > Canada M4N 3P6 > > > > > > > > > +1 416-410-3326 > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 23:16:27 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:16:27 -0400 Subject: emu 1212m or f7 semitone # Message-ID: <46E9C4CB.8010706@chrisaitken.net> I don't even know what list to post this to. My new emu 1212M PCI soundcard is playing music a semitone higher than it should. THis is not a new problem - it's been that way since I installed the soundcard (which was only a couple of weeks ago). I just gave a bass guitar lesson and had my student put a capo on the first fret to play along with "Dazed and Confused". And it's not just youtube - my CDs play a semitone higher. Audacity plays a semitone higher. So, it must be the soundcard or my system (fedora 7). I'll dust off my little PC speakers and try the onboard soundcard (not the emu 1212M) to see (hear) if it's the OS that's overclocking (not knowing a proper term) the sound. I just thought I'd post this first in case anyone knows a quick fix. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 13 23:45:58 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:45:58 -0400 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <20070913182219.GD20259-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <46E979E7.8000600@dinamis.com> <20070913182219.GD20259@payneful.ca> Message-ID: <200709131945.58954.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On Thursday 13 September 2007 14:22, David Payne wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 01:56:55PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > Is there is a way to configure a list server to accept only PGP signed > > messages? That way, even if someone spoofs the email address of a > > subscriber, it would not do him any good unless he also has the PGP key > > of the subscriber. > > A lot of people don't sign their emails with a PGP key. It > would make it more difficult for new people to sign up to > the list. i.e spammers ;) Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 00:40:33 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:40:33 -0400 Subject: emu 1212m or f7 semitone # In-Reply-To: <46E9C4CB.8010706-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46E9C4CB.8010706@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46E9D881.8020800@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > I don't even know what list to post this to. My new emu 1212M PCI > soundcard is playing music a semitone higher than it should. THis is > not a new problem - it's been that way since I installed the soundcard > (which was only a couple of weeks ago). I just gave a bass guitar > lesson and had my student put a capo on the first fret to play along > with "Dazed and Confused". And it's not just youtube - my CDs play a > semitone higher. Audacity plays a semitone higher. So, it must be the > soundcard or my system (fedora 7). I'll dust off my little PC speakers > and try the onboard soundcard (not the emu 1212M) to see (hear) if > it's the OS that's overclocking (not knowing a proper term) the sound. I just plugged the PC speaker set into the old (onboard) soundcard and switched to it in system-sonfig-soundcard. They play at the original key. So, it's looking like my emu 1212M PCI soundcard (well, driver setting - I can't see how it could be the hardware). Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 01:06:09 2007 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:06:09 -0700 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <200709131945.58954.jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <46E979E7.8000600@dinamis.com> <20070913182219.GD20259@payneful.ca> <200709131945.58954.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1189731969.6908.16.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 19:45 -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On Thursday 13 September 2007 14:22, David Payne wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 01:56:55PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > > Is there is a way to configure a list server to accept only PGP signed > > > messages? That way, even if someone spoofs the email address of a > > > subscriber, it would not do him any good unless he also has the PGP key > > > of the subscriber. > > > > A lot of people don't sign their emails with a PGP key. It > > would make it more difficult for new people to sign up to > > the list. > > i.e spammers ;) > well, hypothetically... i have one friend whose stupid eudora doesn't recognize gpg-signed mail from evolution. so sometimes i turn off gpg signatures. and if i did that in the same session that i write to the list... do it's e.g. spammers, not i.e.... matt > Jamon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I > notice that most of these buggers tend to be using "l33t" speak to > avoid filters, so perhaps if we more aggressively filtering (not > blocking, but bumping up the spam-score) anything with more than one > "word" with mixed alphanumeric characters might help? > > I know I stopped getting pretty much any spam but the ones that use > capcha'ed images nowadays, and I don't really want to strain my server > trying to decode those with fuzzy-ocx or something of the like just at > the moment. Just curious, but is this something recent? Because I haven't seen any spam on the list at all... ...and it's not getting caught by Bogofilter, because I've got that shut off for now. My e-mail address is only 3 months old, no spammers seem to have snagged it yet ^_^ -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "I betcha Leela's holding out for a nice guy with one eye." -Fry "That'll take forever. What she oughta do is find a nice guy with two eyes and poke one out." -Bender "Yeah, that'd be a timesaver." -Fry -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 02:11:31 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:11:31 -0400 Subject: Amazing linux stunts with 1920x1200 LCD monitor In-Reply-To: <20070912213455.GB15844-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20070912213455.GB15844@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20070914021131.GB5963@waltdnes.org> First of all, the bad news. The monitor does *NOT* like "vga=6" in /etc/lilo.conf (and probably not in GRUB either). Yes, the LCD monitor does work "automagically". I hooked up via the DVI connector and put it through its paces. At first, it's scarey just setting resolutions in xorg.conf without modelines, but I did just that, setting a resolution of 1920x1200. The text on Firefox is so crisp, it's like wow. And I can put 2 Firefox windows side-by-each. But wait, there's more We all know that most lower resolutions suck on LCD monitors, because they're trying to interpolate partial pixels on top of a fixed physical resolution. However, if you can divide vertical and horizontal resolutions exactly by whole numbers, there's no interpolation, although the image may start being blocky. Dividing 1920 by 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 yields 960, 640, 480, 384, and 320. Similarly, dividing 1200 by 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 yields 600, 400, 300, 240, and 200. So the following resolutions... 960x600 and 640x400 and 480x300 and 384x240 and 320x200 ...are interpolation-free. The lower resolutions are great for playing videos from Youtube etal. But wait, there's even more You don't necessarily have to combine 1920/3 with 1200/3 or 1920/4 with 1200/4. Any valid X resolution with any valid Y resolution is OK. Most possible combinations look ridiculous, but 640x600, 480x400, 384x300, and 320x240 are usable, indeed just right, for some videos. OK, so I have the following video modes... 1920x1200, 960x600, 640x600, 640x400, 480x400, 480x300, 384x300, 384x240, 320x240, and 320x200. Now, how do I invoke X with the desired resolutions? I start off with /etc/X11/xorg.conf, with only 1920x1200 selected. Then I make a bunch of copies like so... m3000 X11 # ll -og *.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 15165 Sep 13 20:43 320x200xorg.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 15165 Sep 13 20:51 320x240xorg.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 15165 Sep 13 19:51 384x240xorg.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 15165 Sep 13 20:31 384x300xorg.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 15165 Sep 13 19:50 480x300xorg.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 15165 Sep 13 20:28 480x400xorg.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 15165 Sep 13 19:49 640x400xorg.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 15165 Sep 13 20:22 640x600xorg.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 15165 Sep 13 19:48 960x600xorg.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 15171 Sep 13 21:31 xorg.conf Next, set the resolution in each copy to match the numbers in the filename (or else, you'll end up being very confused). Next, create the file ~/bin/x, with the following lines... #! /bin/bash startx -- -nolisten tcp -config ${1}xorg.conf & If you invoke it as "x", with no parameters, it'll load using xorg.conf. If you invoke it as "x abcxdef", it will try to start X using abcxdefxorg.conf. Give it the appropriate prefix, and it'll start X with the corresponding conf file, e.g. "x 384x300" uses 384x300xorg.conf. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 02:10:30 2007 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:10:30 -0400 Subject: Networking Troubles Message-ID: <20070914021030.GA19625@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I have set up my first new computer in many years, and happily installed Debian on it, but I am having a couple of niggling wee problems with it, and could use a pointer or two. The first problem is a lag in outbound networking - only on DNS queries - pinging an IP gets instant responses, but any DNS resolved ping seems to be waiting for a timeout. I thought I fixed this once before, but it has been years since I installed fresh, so I forgot this fix. The second problem is that I cannot seem to reach my SMTP smarthost (teksavvy) with Postfix. The configurations are the same between this box (working) and the new box (not working). Here's a snippet from /var/log/mail.log: Sep 13 15:12:20 yam postfix/smtp[7338]: 7DA639F4B0: to=
, relay=none, delay=20, delays=0.05/0.02/20/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=smtp.teksavvy.com type=MX: Host not found, try again) I can ping the address, so something else is awry. Any help would be appreciated, thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 02:33:01 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:33:01 -0400 Subject: emu 1212m or f7 semitone # In-Reply-To: <46E9C4CB.8010706-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46E9C4CB.8010706@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070914023301.GR5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 07:16:27PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > I don't even know what list to post this to. My new emu 1212M PCI > soundcard is playing music a semitone higher than it should. THis is not > a new problem - it's been that way since I installed the soundcard > (which was only a couple of weeks ago). I just gave a bass guitar lesson > and had my student put a capo on the first fret to play along with > "Dazed and Confused". And it's not just youtube - my CDs play a semitone > higher. Audacity plays a semitone higher. So, it must be the soundcard > or my system (fedora 7). I'll dust off my little PC speakers and try the > onboard soundcard (not the emu 1212M) to see (hear) if it's the OS > that's overclocking (not knowing a proper term) the sound. I just > thought I'd post this first in case anyone knows a quick fix. Hmm, what would happen if 44.1KHz audio was played at 48KHz. One semi tone higher would make 44.1KHz into 46.7KHz, which I guess would not be that far off from 48KHz. Any chance you were accidentally playing something at the wrong output speed? What are you playing? mp3? wave? midi? Using what player? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 02:33:34 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:33:34 -0400 Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <20070914021030.GA19625-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914021030.GA19625@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <46e9f2f8.0580400a.6c64.24be@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of William > O'Higgins Witteman > Sent: Thursday 13 September 2007 22:11 > To: tlug > Subject: [TLUG]: Networking Troubles > > I have set up my first new computer in many years, and happily installed > Debian on it, but I am having a couple of niggling wee problems with > it, and could use a pointer or two. > > The first problem is a lag in outbound networking - only on DNS queries > - pinging an IP gets instant responses, but any DNS resolved ping seems > to be waiting for a timeout. I thought I fixed this once before, but it > has been years since I installed fresh, so I forgot this fix. > > The second problem is that I cannot seem to reach my SMTP smarthost > (teksavvy) with Postfix. The configurations are the same between this > box (working) and the new box (not working). > > Here's a snippet from /var/log/mail.log: > > Sep 13 15:12:20 yam postfix/smtp[7338]: 7DA639F4B0: > to=, relay=none, delay=20, delays=0.05/0.02/20/0, > dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service > error for name=smtp.teksavvy.com type=MX: Host not found, try again) > > I can ping the address, so something else is awry. Any help would be > appreciated, thanks. Sounds like a resolv.conf type problem, that's the first place I would check. Can you post the contents of that file? Also, is your network interface automatically configured (DHCP) or done manually? Lastly, with your postfix error, do you have any entries in the hosts file? I don't know much about postfix, but I've seen some mailers that won't use the hosts entries and run exclusively off DNS. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 02:36:21 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:36:21 -0400 Subject: Amazing linux stunts with 1920x1200 LCD monitor In-Reply-To: <20070914021131.GB5963-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20070912213455.GB15844@waltdnes.org> <20070914021131.GB5963@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20070914023621.GS5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 10:11:31PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > First of all, the bad news. The monitor does *NOT* like "vga=6" in > /etc/lilo.conf (and probably not in GRUB either). Not sure what mode vga=6 is. > Yes, the LCD monitor does work "automagically". I hooked up via the > DVI connector and put it through its paces. At first, it's scarey just > setting resolutions in xorg.conf without modelines, but I did just that, > setting a resolution of 1920x1200. The text on Firefox is so crisp, > it's like wow. And I can put 2 Firefox windows side-by-each. > > But wait, there's more > We all know that most lower resolutions suck on LCD monitors, because > they're trying to interpolate partial pixels on top of a fixed physical > resolution. However, if you can divide vertical and horizontal > resolutions exactly by whole numbers, there's no interpolation, although > the image may start being blocky. Dividing 1920 by 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 > yields 960, 640, 480, 384, and 320. Similarly, dividing 1200 by 2, 3, > 4, 5, and 6 yields 600, 400, 300, 240, and 200. So the following > resolutions... > > 960x600 and 640x400 and 480x300 and 384x240 and 320x200 > > ...are interpolation-free. The lower resolutions are great for playing > videos from Youtube etal. > > > But wait, there's even more > You don't necessarily have to combine 1920/3 with 1200/3 or 1920/4 with > 1200/4. Any valid X resolution with any valid Y resolution is OK. Most > possible combinations look ridiculous, but 640x600, 480x400, 384x300, > and 320x240 are usable, indeed just right, for some videos. > > OK, so I have the following video modes... > 1920x1200, 960x600, 640x600, 640x400, 480x400, 480x300, 384x300, > 384x240, 320x240, and 320x200. Now, how do I invoke X with the desired > resolutions? I start off with /etc/X11/xorg.conf, with only 1920x1200 > selected. Then I make a bunch of copies like so... > > m3000 X11 # ll -og *.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 15165 Sep 13 20:43 320x200xorg.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 15165 Sep 13 20:51 320x240xorg.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 15165 Sep 13 19:51 384x240xorg.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 15165 Sep 13 20:31 384x300xorg.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 15165 Sep 13 19:50 480x300xorg.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 15165 Sep 13 20:28 480x400xorg.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 15165 Sep 13 19:49 640x400xorg.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 15165 Sep 13 20:22 640x600xorg.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 15165 Sep 13 19:48 960x600xorg.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 15171 Sep 13 21:31 xorg.conf > > Next, set the resolution in each copy to match the numbers in the > filename (or else, you'll end up being very confused). > > Next, create the file ~/bin/x, with the following lines... > > #! /bin/bash > startx -- -nolisten tcp -config ${1}xorg.conf & > > If you invoke it as "x", with no parameters, it'll load using > xorg.conf. If you invoke it as "x abcxdef", it will try to start X > using abcxdefxorg.conf. Give it the appropriate prefix, and it'll start > X with the corresponding conf file, e.g. "x 384x300" uses > 384x300xorg.conf. Or you could just list all the resolutions in the 'Modes' line of your config and use control+alt+numpadplus/minus to zoom, or even better use the x resolution switching program to change between them on the fly (I think gnome and kde even have little tools to do so) so you don't even have to restart X to do it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 02:38:42 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:38:42 -0400 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <617216.17244.qm-2K+iNxKRQwOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <313ea3dd0709131523j43da39b9y70dbd0e77885c986@mail.gmail.com> <617216.17244.qm@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070914023842.GT5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 06:40:19PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > Yes, but it carries another problem, members whose > names change. The most recent example that I can think > of (and there is at least one other examples I could > name) is Leah Cunningham / Kubik . Here we have a case > where Leah Cunningham joined the list, but postings > from that person (thanks to marriage) are now under > the name Leah Kubik. In other words, yes, screening > based on the name the person joined under would help, > but introduce a new set of issues. Which is worse? Name changes are obsolete anyhow. They are such a hassle for account names and such. Just leave the name alone. Some places don't even let you change names anyhow (like Quebec). Seems like a good solution to me. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 02:34:33 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:34:33 -0400 Subject: emu 1212m or f7 semitone # In-Reply-To: <20070914023301.GR5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46E9C4CB.8010706@chrisaitken.net> <20070914023301.GR5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46E9F339.2040304@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 07:16:27PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I don't even know what list to post this to. My new emu 1212M PCI >> soundcard is playing music a semitone higher than it should. THis is not >> a new problem - it's been that way since I installed the soundcard >> (which was only a couple of weeks ago). I just gave a bass guitar lesson >> and had my student put a capo on the first fret to play along with >> "Dazed and Confused". And it's not just youtube - my CDs play a semitone >> higher. Audacity plays a semitone higher. So, it must be the soundcard >> or my system (fedora 7). I'll dust off my little PC speakers and try the >> onboard soundcard (not the emu 1212M) to see (hear) if it's the OS >> that's overclocking (not knowing a proper term) the sound. I just >> thought I'd post this first in case anyone knows a quick fix. >> > > Hmm, what would happen if 44.1KHz audio was played at 48KHz. One semi > tone higher would make 44.1KHz into 46.7KHz, which I guess would not be > that far off from 48KHz. > > Any chance you were accidentally playing something at the wrong output > speed? > > What are you playing? mp3? wave? midi? Using what player? > If I go to youtube and play "Dazed and Confused" (the second example with the Led Zeppelin album cover) through the emu 1212m it's in F. If I play that same clip through my old onboard card it plays in E. It should be in E. If I play a store-bought music CD on my CD drive of the PC (which invokes totem movie player) it also plays about a semitone too high. My own CD-quality CD plays too high as well. An .ogg stored on the PC plays a semitone too high. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kmastin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 02:40:56 2007 From: kmastin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (keith) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:40:56 -0400 Subject: Dual display with built-in mobo video In-Reply-To: <313ea3dd0709130812r138e2dc2ke48e32e8874b2ab0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46e89517.0108400a.5ad9.fffff0d3@mx.google.com> <20070913145138.GN5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <313ea3dd0709130812r138e2dc2ke48e32e8874b2ab0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1189824056.3711.4.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2007-13-09 at 11:12 -0400, Michael Kennedy wrote: > It's hard to part ways from those old CRTs, eh? > > When disposing of old gear, I find the most efficient way is to post > as ***FREE*** on toronto.craigslist.org, but if you are going to > actually throw it out, the City of Toronto takes old computers and > monitors at their drop-off depots. > > See: http://www.toronto.ca/garbage/pdf/solidwastedrop-offdepots.pdf > > If you're in Waterloo, as your e-mail address suggests, then they have > a program as well, which is fee-based. > > See: http://www.region.waterloo.on.ca/web/region.nsf/97dfc347666efede85256e590071a3d4/312623eb1574fb6285256efb005879a3!OpenDocument > > Am I the only one that feels so guilty for sending things to the > landfill? I wish there was an eco-friendly way of disposal. Does > anyone know of any other options that might be available? I have bins > full of old derelict cables & devices, and I really would rather they > didn't end up under a bulldozer if that's at all possible. There's a company out of Hamilton that recycles old computer parts. They send CRT monitors to a smelter where they're used as slag. A slight handling charge might be asked. Look up ECR (Environmental Computer Recycling). They sent a truck and took a couple tons of stuff away for me a few years back. HTH Keith -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 02:47:49 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:47:49 -0400 Subject: emu 1212m or f7 semitone # In-Reply-To: <46E9F339.2040304-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46E9C4CB.8010706@chrisaitken.net> <20070914023301.GR5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46E9F339.2040304@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070914024749.GU5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 10:34:33PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > If I go to youtube and play "Dazed and Confused" (the second example > with the Led Zeppelin album cover) through the emu 1212m it's in F. If I > play that same clip through my old onboard card it plays in E. It should > be in E. If I play a store-bought music CD on my CD drive of the PC > (which invokes totem movie player) it also plays about a semitone too > high. My own CD-quality CD plays too high as well. An .ogg stored on the > PC plays a semitone too high. So it is playing about 5% too fast too? Measure how long the youtube clip takes compared to how long it claims to take. I assume the CD is being played using digital audio extraction rather than analog passthrough. Might be time to ask the alsa developers for advice. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kmastin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 02:49:26 2007 From: kmastin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (keith) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:49:26 -0400 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <46E979E7.8000600-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20070912221336.7752583836@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20070913144741.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46E979E7.8000600@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <1189824566.3711.8.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2007-13-09 at 13:56 -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: ... > > Is there is a way to configure a list server to accept only PGP signed > messages? That way, even if someone spoofs the email address of a > subscriber, it would not do him any good unless he also has the PGP key > of the subscriber. That would limit the list to only parties using PGP. I dunno, but IMHO that might be too far a reach for some, particularily newbies. Cheers Keith -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 03:00:19 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <20070914023842.GT5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914023842.GT5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <449766.4864.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 06:40:19PM -0400, Colin > McGregor wrote: > > Yes, but it carries another problem, members whose > > names change. The most recent example that I can > think > > of (and there is at least one other examples I > could > > name) is Leah Cunningham / Kubik . Here we have a > case > > where Leah Cunningham joined the list, but > postings > > from that person (thanks to marriage) are now > under > > the name Leah Kubik. In other words, yes, > screening > > based on the name the person joined under would > help, > > but introduce a new set of issues. Which is worse? > > Name changes are obsolete anyhow. They are such a > hassle for account > names and such. Just leave the name alone. Some > places don't even let > you change names anyhow (like Quebec). Seems like a > good solution to > me. :) Name changes will happen on the list for any one of several reasons, that's life and we will have to deal with it. Granted, name changes are fairly rare on our list. Still between marriage, people who change their name because they are unhappy with the name they were born with (i.e.: who remembers Canadian Prime Minister Avril Phaedra Douglas Campbell vs. who remembers Prime Minister Kim Campbell) or ... other reasons ... name changes happen... > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 02:55:21 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:55:21 -0400 Subject: emu 1212m or f7 semitone # In-Reply-To: <20070914024749.GU5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46E9C4CB.8010706@chrisaitken.net> <20070914023301.GR5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46E9F339.2040304@chrisaitken.net> <20070914024749.GU5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46E9F819.7020301@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 10:34:33PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> If I go to youtube and play "Dazed and Confused" (the second example >> with the Led Zeppelin album cover) through the emu 1212m it's in F. If I >> play that same clip through my old onboard card it plays in E. It should >> be in E. If I play a store-bought music CD on my CD drive of the PC >> (which invokes totem movie player) it also plays about a semitone too >> high. My own CD-quality CD plays too high as well. An .ogg stored on the >> PC plays a semitone too high. >> > > So it is playing about 5% too fast too? Measure how long the youtube > clip takes compared to how long it claims to take. > Okay, I played "All My Lovin'" - should have been 2:04 -came outof the emu 1212m as 1:52. > I assume the CD is being played using digital audio extraction rather > than analog passthrough. > Yes, I guess so - I didn't even hook up the analogue audio cable to it the last time I opened the box. > Might be time to ask the alsa developers for advice. > They'll talk to earthlings like me? Chris > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 03:10:03 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:10:03 -0400 Subject: emu 1212m or f7 semitone # In-Reply-To: <20070914024749.GU5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46E9C4CB.8010706@chrisaitken.net> <20070914023301.GR5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46E9F339.2040304@chrisaitken.net> <20070914024749.GU5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46E9FB8B.9030709@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > So it is playing about 5% too fast too? Measure how long the youtube > clip takes compared to how long it claims to take. > Just for fun I imported an .ogg (44.1 KHz/16 bit) into audacity and, although the project rate was reported as 44.1kHz, I just selected 48 kHz and it played at the proper pitch. Now, of course, that doesn't help me with youtube or digital audio extraction CD playback. Is the emu 1212m misinterpreting the sample rate of all music files it receives? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 03:27:18 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:27:18 -0400 Subject: Amazing linux stunts with 1920x1200 LCD monitor In-Reply-To: <20070914023621.GS5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070912213455.GB15844@waltdnes.org> <20070914021131.GB5963@waltdnes.org> <20070914023621.GS5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070914032718.GA11098@waltdnes.org> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 10:36:21PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote > On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 10:11:31PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > First of all, the bad news. The monitor does *NOT* like "vga=6" in > > /etc/lilo.conf (and probably not in GRUB either). > > Not sure what mode vga=6 is. That mode sets text console to 640x480 pixels instead of the default 640x400. Using the standard 16-pixel-high fonts, you get 80 cokumns by 30 rows *IN REAL TEXTMODE, WITHOUT USING THE "SVGATextmode" PROGRAM*. If I edit /etc/conf.d/consolefont to include the line... CONSOLEFONT="lat1-10" ...it gives 80 columns by 48 rows with "vga=6". In the default mode, it only gives 80 columns by 40 rows. > Or you could just list all the resolutions in the 'Modes' line of your > config and use control+alt+numpadplus/minus to zoom, or even better use > the x resolution switching program to change between them on the fly (I > think gnome and kde even have little tools to do so) so you don't even > have to restart X to do it. I used to do it a long time ago. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a SIGWINCH equivalant for programs in X. pypanel (or any other panel program) disappears off the bottom of the screen if I flip to a smaller resolution. All programs still believe that they're running the same resolution screen as when X started. This results in stuff disappearing off the edges of my "viewport". -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 03:28:16 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:28:16 +0000 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <20070914023842.GT5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <313ea3dd0709131523j43da39b9y70dbd0e77885c986@mail.gmail.com> <617216.17244.qm@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070914023842.GT5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709132028k3d4085aw8d79af649d582c27@mail.gmail.com> Actually, we sometimes have some pretty big issues at work with name-changes, mainly because a lot of things are tied together. Our HR system, email + forwarding , LDAP, and various others all need to be updated when somebody changes their name. As I work in a school district, we tend to get a lot of those over the summer, and those with new married names seem to get annoyed that it takes a long time at the start of the year to get the name/username-change pushed through. I suggested to my supervisor that we put in place a policy that only one staff member can change his/her name per month. He thought it was a good idea... but I'm hoping he knew I was joking. On 9/14/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 06:40:19PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > > Yes, but it carries another problem, members whose > > names change. The most recent example that I can think > > of (and there is at least one other examples I could > > name) is Leah Cunningham / Kubik . Here we have a case > > where Leah Cunningham joined the list, but postings > > from that person (thanks to marriage) are now under > > the name Leah Kubik. In other words, yes, screening > > based on the name the person joined under would help, > > but introduce a new set of issues. Which is worse? > > Name changes are obsolete anyhow. They are such a hassle for account > names and such. Just leave the name alone. Some places don't even let > you change names anyhow (like Quebec). Seems like a good solution to > me. :) > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 03:44:54 2007 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:44:54 -0400 Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <46e9f2f8.0580400a.6c64.24be-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914021030.GA19625@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46e9f2f8.0580400a.6c64.24be@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20070914034454.GA20238@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 10:33:34PM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: > >> I have set up my first new computer in many years, and happily installed >> Debian on it, but I am having a couple of niggling wee problems with >> it, and could use a pointer or two. >> >> The first problem is a lag in outbound networking - only on DNS queries >> - pinging an IP gets instant responses, but any DNS resolved ping seems >> to be waiting for a timeout. I thought I fixed this once before, but it >> has been years since I installed fresh, so I forgot this fix. >> >> The second problem is that I cannot seem to reach my SMTP smarthost >> (teksavvy) with Postfix. The configurations are the same between this >> box (working) and the new box (not working). >> >> Here's a snippet from /var/log/mail.log: >> >> Sep 13 15:12:20 yam postfix/smtp[7338]: 7DA639F4B0: >> to=, relay=none, delay=20, delays=0.05/0.02/20/0, >> dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service >> error for name=smtp.teksavvy.com type=MX: Host not found, try again) >> >> I can ping the address, so something else is awry. Any help would be >> appreciated, thanks. > >Sounds like a resolv.conf type problem, that's the first place I would >check. Can you post the contents of that file? Also, is your network >interface automatically configured (DHCP) or done manually? resolv.conf: nameserver 192.168.1.1 search gotdns.org network/interfaces: allow-hotplug eth1 iface eth1 inet static address 192.168.1.251 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.1.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 gateway 192.168.1.1 # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed dns-nameservers 192.168.1.1 dns-search gotdns.org >Lastly, with your postfix error, do you have any entries in the hosts file? >I don't know much about postfix, but I've seen some mailers that won't use >the hosts entries and run exclusively off DNS. hosts: 127.0.0.1 localhost 192.168.1.251 yam.gotdns.org yam Does any of that help? -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 05:43:12 2007 From: david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (David Payne) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:43:12 -0300 Subject: Spam issues In-Reply-To: <20070913210903.5351cb5d-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0709131515r3dec5676tad81446f8d1945@mail.gmail.com> <20070913210903.5351cb5d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20070914054312.GG20259@payneful.ca> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 09:09:03PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > Just curious, but is this something recent? Because I haven't seen any spam on > the list at all... I get spam from this list ~ 3-4 times a week. David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 06:17:00 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:17:00 -0400 Subject: Spam issues In-Reply-To: <20070914054312.GG20259-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0709131515r3dec5676tad81446f8d1945@mail.gmail.com> <20070913210903.5351cb5d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20070914054312.GG20259@payneful.ca> Message-ID: <46EA275C.1090806@ve3syb.ca> David Payne wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 09:09:03PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: >> Just curious, but is this something recent? Because I haven't seen any spam on >> the list at all... > > I get spam from this list ~ 3-4 times a week. Interesting. I was also wondering about this thread. I haven't noticed any SPAM here. Must be my e-mail filtering is working well. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 09:04:53 2007 From: slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (SlackRat) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:04:53 +0200 Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <20070914034454.GA20238-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> (William O'Higgins Witteman's message of "Thu\, 13 Sep 2007 23\:44\:54 -0400") References: <20070914021030.GA19625@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46e9f2f8.0580400a.6c64.24be@mx.google.com> <20070914034454.GA20238@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <87vead39e2.fsf@azurservers.com> * "William O'Higgins Witteman" a ?crit profondement: | | On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 10:33:34PM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: | > | >> I have set up my first new computer in many years, and happily installed | >> Debian on it, but I am having a couple of niggling wee problems with | >> it, and could use a pointer or two. | >> | >> The first problem is a lag in outbound networking - only on DNS queries | >> - pinging an IP gets instant responses, but any DNS resolved ping seems | >> to be waiting for a timeout. I thought I fixed this once before, but it | >> has been years since I installed fresh, so I forgot this fix. | >> | >> The second problem is that I cannot seem to reach my SMTP smarthost | >> (teksavvy) with Postfix. The configurations are the same between this | >> box (working) and the new box (not working). | >> | >> Here's a snippet from /var/log/mail.log: | >> | >> Sep 13 15:12:20 yam postfix/smtp[7338]: 7DA639F4B0: | >> to=, relay=none, delay=20, delays=0.05/0.02/20/0, | >> dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service | >> error for name=smtp.teksavvy.com type=MX: Host not found, try again) | >> | >> I can ping the address, so something else is awry. Any help would be | >> appreciated, thanks. | > | >Sounds like a resolv.conf type problem, that's the first place I would | >check. Can you post the contents of that file? Also, is your network | >interface automatically configured (DHCP) or done manually? | | resolv.conf: | nameserver 192.168.1.1 | search gotdns.org | | network/interfaces: | allow-hotplug eth1 | iface eth1 inet static | address 192.168.1.251 | netmask 255.255.255.0 | network 192.168.1.0 | broadcast 192.168.1.255 | gateway 192.168.1.1 | # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed | dns-nameservers 192.168.1.1 | dns-search gotdns.org | | >Lastly, with your postfix error, do you have any entries in the hosts file? | >I don't know much about postfix, but I've seen some mailers that won't use | >the hosts entries and run exclusively off DNS. | | hosts: | 127.0.0.1 localhost | 192.168.1.251 yam.gotdns.org yam | | Does any of that help? bash-3.1# cat /etc/resolv.conf search azurservers.com nameserver 212.27.53.252 nameserver 212.27.54.252 bash-3.1# cat /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost 192.168.0.1 azurservers.com darkstar 192.168.0.2 azurservers.com darkstar1 192.168.0.254 gateway 82.242.110.54 azurservers.com This works just fine for me -- SlackRat - 4Q to Reply -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 11:09:03 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Emmett Bullock) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:09:03 -0500 Subject: Your Zol0ft 0rder #79452 Message-ID: Hi, We have cheapest Cial1s S0ft T4bs and V1agra S0ft T4bs online. Visit US He4lthc4re Inc. at: http://www.ueuehwnn.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 11:12:56 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:12:56 -0400 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <449766.4864.qm-iE2/U85ktn6B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <449766.4864.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46EA6CB8.8010602@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > vs. who remembers Prime Minister Kim Campbell) Who??? ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 12:35:06 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:35:06 -0400 Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <20070914034454.GA20238-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914021030.GA19625@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46e9f2f8.0580400a.6c64.24be@mx.google.com> <20070914034454.GA20238@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20070914123506.GV5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 11:44:54PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > resolv.conf: > nameserver 192.168.1.1 > search gotdns.org Well since you run your own DNS server, maybe it is misconfigured or having issues contacting root servers. Or maybe it should just be configured with your ISP's nameservers as forwarders which tends to give much faster results than bothering the root servers. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 12:59:25 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:59:25 -0400 Subject: emu 1212m or f7 semitone # In-Reply-To: <46E9F819.7020301-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46E9C4CB.8010706@chrisaitken.net> <20070914023301.GR5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46E9F339.2040304@chrisaitken.net> <20070914024749.GU5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46E9F819.7020301@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070914125925.GW5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 10:55:21PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > Okay, I played "All My Lovin'" - should have been 2:04 -came outof the > emu 1212m as 1:52. Certainly running fast then. > Yes, I guess so - I didn't even hook up the analogue audio cable to it > the last time I opened the box. That makes sense. So for some reason it really sounds like anything that should be 44.1KHz is going out at 48KHz instead which is making everything run too quickly and sound a bit high. You could try and play a DVD. That should actually sound OK I would think since it is already 48KHz based. That would give an idea if it is just that it plays everything at one speed or if if plays the DVD wrong too, perhaps it is doing something completely wrong with the speed in general. > They'll talk to earthlings like me? In the past my experience has been that they are very interested in solving any issues. You can try the alsa-users mailing list first if you would rather, or you can ask alsa-devel if you are pretty sure you aren't doing anything wrong and that it really must be a driver issue. A quick google search found someone else saying their 1212m plays 48KHz fine, but 44.1KHz plays too fast. That was in 1.0.14rc1, so it seems it was not fixed. Perhaps no one ever filed a bug report about it. Probably worth asking the developers then. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 13:00:39 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:00:39 -0400 Subject: emu 1212m or f7 semitone # In-Reply-To: <46E9FB8B.9030709-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46E9C4CB.8010706@chrisaitken.net> <20070914023301.GR5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46E9F339.2040304@chrisaitken.net> <20070914024749.GU5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46E9FB8B.9030709@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070914130039.GX5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 11:10:03PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > Just for fun I imported an .ogg (44.1 KHz/16 bit) into audacity and, > although the project rate was reported as 44.1kHz, I just selected 48 > kHz and it played at the proper pitch. Now, of course, that doesn't help > me with youtube or digital audio extraction CD playback. Is the emu > 1212m misinterpreting the sample rate of all music files it receives? It seems it is stuck at 48khz. Some intel based onboard audio chips only support 48khz and the driver converts everything to that before playing it. Perhaps the 1212m is also fixed 48khz and the driver should be doing the same there. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 13:03:58 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:03:58 -0400 Subject: Amazing linux stunts with 1920x1200 LCD monitor In-Reply-To: <20070914032718.GA11098-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20070912213455.GB15844@waltdnes.org> <20070914021131.GB5963@waltdnes.org> <20070914023621.GS5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070914032718.GA11098@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20070914130358.GY5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 11:27:18PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > That mode sets text console to 640x480 pixels instead of the default > 640x400. Using the standard 16-pixel-high fonts, you get 80 cokumns by > 30 rows *IN REAL TEXTMODE, WITHOUT USING THE "SVGATextmode" PROGRAM*. > If I edit /etc/conf.d/consolefont to include the line... > > CONSOLEFONT="lat1-10" > > ...it gives 80 columns by 48 rows with "vga=6". In the default mode, it > only gives 80 columns by 40 rows. I wonder why that wouldn't work. I am not sure what scan rate that mode runs. The default is 720x400 on VGA by the way. :) Text mode is odd. The characters are 9 pixels wide on VGA rather than 8 wide like EGA and CGA. > I used to do it a long time ago. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to > be a SIGWINCH equivalant for programs in X. pypanel (or any other panel > program) disappears off the bottom of the screen if I flip to a smaller > resolution. All programs still believe that they're running the same > resolution screen as when X started. This results in stuff disappearing > off the edges of my "viewport". True it works best for full screen programs where you don't intend to switch to other programs while in a different resolution. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 13:07:36 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:07:36 -0400 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <1189824566.3711.8.camel@localhost> References: <20070912221336.7752583836@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20070913144741.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46E979E7.8000600@dinamis.com> <1189824566.3711.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20070914130736.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 10:49:26PM -0400, keith wrote: > That would limit the list to only parties using PGP. I dunno, but IMHO > that might be too far a reach for some, particularily newbies. I don't think even I could be bothered to set that up. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 13:17:31 2007 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:17:31 -0400 Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <87vead39e2.fsf-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914021030.GA19625@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46e9f2f8.0580400a.6c64.24be@mx.google.com> <20070914034454.GA20238@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <87vead39e2.fsf@azurservers.com> Message-ID: <20070914131731.BF9D583836@sarg.ryerson.ca> This is a question about my own setup, but in the same flow.... bash# cat /etc/resolv.conf search in.mason-rose.ca nameserver 127.0.0.1 nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (the current IP address from the router, provided by DHCP) This works passably, but is kindof slow. And dig +trace doesn't work. If I reverse the nameservers, dig +trace works for some sites. If I remove the router nameserver it doesn't work, even though I have named running on the linux box. I have a fairly tight firewall, is there something I should have enabled besides 80, 22, 25 in order to have named work properly? Thanks ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From michael-FlpYSvOe4ac6W4JZGn+SJw at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 13:19:17 2007 From: michael-FlpYSvOe4ac6W4JZGn+SJw at public.gmane.org (Michael Kennedy) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:19:17 -0400 Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <20070914123506.GV5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914021030.GA19625@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46e9f2f8.0580400a.6c64.24be@mx.google.com> <20070914034454.GA20238@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070914123506.GV5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <313ea3dd0709140619v2c305ff2xb1dfcc52cebd4e80@mail.gmail.com> And if you need an alternative DNS provider to your ISP, I've used OpenDNS in the past. It is relatively dependable and due to wide usage, a greater proportion of request responses tend to be cached, so it's quick. See: www.opendns.com MK On 9/14/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 11:44:54PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > > resolv.conf: > > nameserver 192.168.1.1 > > search gotdns.org > > Well since you run your own DNS server, maybe it is misconfigured or > having issues contacting root servers. Or maybe it should just be > configured with your ISP's nameservers as forwarders which tends to give > much faster results than bothering the root servers. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 14:33:15 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Augustine Lanier) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:33:15 -0500 Subject: Your Pharm4cy 0rder #72361 Message-ID: We have everything you need: Phenterm1ne, Cial1s S0ft T4bs, V1agra S0ft T4bs, Cial1s, V1agra, Lev1tra, Propec1a, Val1um, Xan4x, Amb1en, Zyb4n, Atar4x, At1van, Car1soma, Ultr4m, Glucoph4ge, Lip1tor, Mer1dia, Zoc0r, N0rvasc. We respect your privacy - we guarantee you a total anonymity of your 0rder. Visit US He4lthc4re Inc. online at: http://www.ueuehwnn.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 13:40:19 2007 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:40:19 -0400 Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <87vead39e2.fsf-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914021030.GA19625@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46e9f2f8.0580400a.6c64.24be@mx.google.com> <20070914034454.GA20238@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <87vead39e2.fsf@azurservers.com> Message-ID: <20070914134019.GA21369@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:04:53AM +0200, SlackRat wrote: >| >Sounds like a resolv.conf type problem, that's the first place I would >| >check. Can you post the contents of that file? Also, is your network >| >interface automatically configured (DHCP) or done manually? >| >| resolv.conf: >| nameserver 192.168.1.1 >| search gotdns.org >| >| network/interfaces: >| allow-hotplug eth1 >| iface eth1 inet static >| address 192.168.1.251 >| netmask 255.255.255.0 >| network 192.168.1.0 >| broadcast 192.168.1.255 >| gateway 192.168.1.1 >| # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed >| dns-nameservers 192.168.1.1 >| dns-search gotdns.org >| >| >Lastly, with your postfix error, do you have any entries in the hosts file? >| >I don't know much about postfix, but I've seen some mailers that won't use >| >the hosts entries and run exclusively off DNS. >| >| hosts: >| 127.0.0.1 localhost >| 192.168.1.251 yam.gotdns.org yam >| >| Does any of that help? > >bash-3.1# cat /etc/resolv.conf >search azurservers.com >nameserver 212.27.53.252 >nameserver 212.27.54.252 I'm assuming that azurservers.com resolves to your network. Where did the nameserver lines come from? Also, the preamble text says not to edit resolv.conf - so how do I update it? -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 13:51:57 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:51:57 -0400 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <20070913182219.GD20259-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20070913182219.GD20259@payneful.ca> Message-ID: <46ea91fa.0f2b400a.6e5c.ffff8a61@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of David > Payne > Sent: Thursday 13 September 2007 14:22 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Re: TLUG spam > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 01:56:55PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > Is there is a way to configure a list server to accept only PGP signed > > messages? That way, even if someone spoofs the email address of a > > subscriber, it would not do him any good unless he also has the PGP key > > of the subscriber. > > A lot of people don't sign their emails with a PGP key. It > would make it more difficult for new people to sign up to > the list. Much as I love PGP/GPG, it will never work for what I do. The biggest problem being that I don't use a computer. I use many computers, both simultaneously and in series. My Linux workstation gets used when I'm at home, the tablet on the road, and gmail when away. So where do I store my private key? I personally wouldn't trust it on anything other than my home workstation, and that limits my ability send mail to about 25% of the time. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 13:58:52 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:58:52 -0400 Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <20070914034454.GA20238-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914034454.GA20238@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <46ea939c.0e38400a.0e62.7d13@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of William > O'Higgins Witteman > Sent: Thursday 13 September 2007 23:45 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Networking Troubles > > resolv.conf: > nameserver 192.168.1.1 > search gotdns.org Sounds like something in your router isn't set up right. Could be a dead entry if it's just forwarding DNS queries (usually the case with off-the-shelf routers) or could be having problems with root lookups. > network/interfaces: > allow-hotplug eth1 > iface eth1 inet static > address 192.168.1.251 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > network 192.168.1.0 > broadcast 192.168.1.255 > gateway 192.168.1.1 > # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed > dns-nameservers 192.168.1.1 > dns-search gotdns.org Everything here looks right, though I'm making a few assumptions about your network setup. > >Lastly, with your postfix error, do you have any entries in the hosts > file? > >I don't know much about postfix, but I've seen some mailers that won't > use > >the hosts entries and run exclusively off DNS. > > hosts: > 127.0.0.1 localhost > 192.168.1.251 yam.gotdns.org yam > > Does any of that help? Well, it certainly narrows it down. There isn't an entry in the hosts file for your smtp server, so it has to be in the DNS. I don't know much about postfix, so about the only thing I can think of is that it's timing out looking up the entry, but that's a wild guess. I'd check that your router is set up properly and try it again. Good luck! -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 14:00:03 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:00:03 -0400 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <46ea91fa.0f2b400a.6e5c.ffff8a61-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46ea91fa.0f2b400a.6e5c.ffff8a61@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <46EA93E3.2030506@rogers.com> Kareem Shehata wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of David >> Payne >> Sent: Thursday 13 September 2007 14:22 >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Re: TLUG spam >> >> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 01:56:55PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: >> >>> Is there is a way to configure a list server to accept only PGP signed >>> messages? That way, even if someone spoofs the email address of a >>> subscriber, it would not do him any good unless he also has the PGP key >>> of the subscriber. >>> >> A lot of people don't sign their emails with a PGP key. It >> would make it more difficult for new people to sign up to >> the list. >> > > Much as I love PGP/GPG, it will never work for what I do. The biggest > problem being that I don't use a computer. I use many computers, both > simultaneously and in series. My Linux workstation gets used when I'm at > home, the tablet on the road, and gmail when away. So where do I store my > private key? I personally wouldn't trust it on anything other than my home > workstation, and that limits my ability send mail to about 25% of the time. > > Perhaps, as a stop gap measure, Drew could be removed from the list, at least using that ID, as he rarely posts here. All the spam I've seen has his mail address, with someone else's name on it. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 14:02:04 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:02:04 -0400 Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <20070914134019.GA21369-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914134019.GA21369@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <46ea9459.1d80400a.36d2.ffff808d@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of William > O'Higgins Witteman > Sent: Friday 14 September 2007 09:40 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Networking Troubles > I'm assuming that azurservers.com resolves to your network. Where did > the nameserver lines come from? Also, the preamble text says not to > edit resolv.conf - so how do I update it? Usually with a configuration manager of some sort. Both Gnome and KDE have GUI network config tools. There's also dpkg-reconfigure, though I'm not sure which package would manage that file on your setup. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 14:06:23 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:06:23 -0400 Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <20070914131731.BF9D583836-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914021030.GA19625@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46e9f2f8.0580400a.6c64.24be@mx.google.com> <20070914034454.GA20238@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <87vead39e2.fsf@azurservers.com> <20070914131731.BF9D583836@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20070914140623.GA5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 09:17:31AM -0400, Dave Mason wrote: > This is a question about my own setup, but in the same flow.... > > bash# cat /etc/resolv.conf > search in.mason-rose.ca > nameserver 127.0.0.1 > nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (the current IP address from the router, provided by DHCP) > > This works passably, but is kindof slow. And dig +trace doesn't work. > If I reverse the nameservers, dig +trace works for some sites. If I > remove the router nameserver it doesn't work, even though I have named > running on the linux box. I have a fairly tight firewall, is there > something I should have enabled besides 80, 22, 25 in order to have > named work properly? Well port 53 (tcp and udp) of course, since that is what DNS uses. It would probably be faster to make your local nameserver forward to the IP of the router so that instead of asking it, timing out, then asking to other, the local DNS will simply ask the other for you when it doesn't know the answer. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 14:08:58 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:08:58 -0400 Subject: Dual display with built-in mobo video In-Reply-To: <1189824056.3711.4.camel@localhost> References: <46e89517.0108400a.5ad9.fffff0d3@mx.google.com> <20070913145138.GN5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <313ea3dd0709130812r138e2dc2ke48e32e8874b2ab0@mail.gmail.com> <1189824056.3711.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20070914140858.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 10:40:56PM -0400, keith wrote: > There's a company out of Hamilton that recycles old computer parts. They > send CRT monitors to a smelter where they're used as slag. A slight > handling charge might be asked. Look up ECR (Environmental Computer > Recycling). They sent a truck and took a couple tons of stuff away for > me a few years back. Wow this message keeps wanting to be the newest in my inbox. I see it was sent at 10pm tonight. Where did you get the time machine? :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 14:14:28 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:14:28 -0400 Subject: SlackRat has broken mail server Message-ID: <20070914141428.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> I just got a failed delivery trying to reply to SlackRat's message. Apparently the mail server says there is no such user. : host mail.azurservers.com[82.242.110.54] said: 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO command) That should be easy to fix, but also rather important to fix. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 14:17:37 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:17:37 -0400 Subject: SlackRat has broken mail server In-Reply-To: <20070914141428.GC5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914141428.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <7ac602420709140717q5753b061sd56607cf7db44fd8@mail.gmail.com> On 9/14/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I just got a failed delivery trying to reply to SlackRat's message. > Apparently the mail server says there is no such user. > > : host mail.azurservers.com[82.242.110.54] said: > 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO > command) > > That should be easy to fix, but also rather important to fix. I think you have to take the 4Q out of the address to get through. There's something in his signature about this spam armour. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 14:25:02 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:25:02 -0400 Subject: SlackRat has broken mail server In-Reply-To: <7ac602420709140717q5753b061sd56607cf7db44fd8-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914141428.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <7ac602420709140717q5753b061sd56607cf7db44fd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070914142502.GD5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 10:17:37AM -0400, Ian Petersen wrote: > I think you have to take the 4Q out of the address to get through. > There's something in his signature about this spam armour. Hmm, could be. I guess I will just try to avoid mailing him. I don't deal with any anti spam system that puts the workload on the sender. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 14:24:58 2007 From: slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (SlackRat) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:24:58 +0200 Subject: SlackRat has broken mail server In-Reply-To: <20070914141428.GC5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> (Lennart Sorensen's message of "Fri\, 14 Sep 2007 10\:14\:28 -0400") References: <20070914141428.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <877imtwchx.fsf@azurservers.com> * lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) a ?crit profondement: | | I just got a failed delivery trying to reply to SlackRat's message. | Apparently the mail server says there is no such user. | | : host mail.azurservers.com[82.242.110.54] said: | 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO | command) | | That should be easy to fix, but also rather important to fix. | | -- | Len Sorensen It's working perfectly Len Just drop the 4Q as indicated below and you'll be in like a Breeze It is set up that way intentionally -- SlackRat - 4Q to Reply -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 14:27:24 2007 From: slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (SlackRat) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:27:24 +0200 Subject: SlackRat has broken mail server In-Reply-To: <7ac602420709140717q5753b061sd56607cf7db44fd8-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> (Ian Petersen's message of "Fri\, 14 Sep 2007 10\:17\:37 -0400") References: <20070914141428.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <7ac602420709140717q5753b061sd56607cf7db44fd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <873axhwcdv.fsf@azurservers.com> * "Ian Petersen" a ?crit profondement: | | I think you have to take the 4Q out of the address to get through. | There's something in his signature about this spam armour. | Laffz Right Ian Just say 4Q really fast about half a dozen times ;) -- SlackRat - 4Q to Reply -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 14:31:13 2007 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:31:13 -0400 Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <20070914123506.GV5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914021030.GA19625@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46e9f2f8.0580400a.6c64.24be@mx.google.com> <20070914034454.GA20238@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070914123506.GV5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070914143113.GA21530@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 08:35:06AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 11:44:54PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >> resolv.conf: >> nameserver 192.168.1.1 >> search gotdns.org > >Well since you run your own DNS server, maybe it is misconfigured or >having issues contacting root servers. Or maybe it should just be >configured with your ISP's nameservers as forwarders which tends to give >much faster results than bothering the root servers. That could be a problem - I am not running a DNS server - I hope to pass DNS queries to the router (a Linksys WRT54). The router is not the problem, because every other machine on the network is hunky dory. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 14:32:10 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:32:10 -0400 Subject: SlackRat has broken mail server In-Reply-To: <877imtwchx.fsf-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914141428.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <877imtwchx.fsf@azurservers.com> Message-ID: <20070914143210.GE5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:24:58PM +0200, SlackRat wrote: > It's working perfectly Len > > Just drop the 4Q as indicated below and you'll be in like a Breeze > > It is set up that way intentionally Well then your mail setup is broken. I consider it rude to expect other people so solve your spam problems. It is especially rude to cause bounce messages when people are replying to messages on a mailing list. Bogofilter very well for me, and doesn't make other people do extra work they have to remember to do for things to work. Your setup is almost as bad as the systems that want you t reply to a verification message to prove you are a real person trying to send mail. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 14:27:09 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:27:09 -0400 Subject: emu 1212m or f7 semitone # In-Reply-To: <20070914130039.GX5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46E9C4CB.8010706@chrisaitken.net> <20070914023301.GR5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46E9F339.2040304@chrisaitken.net> <20070914024749.GU5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46E9FB8B.9030709@chrisaitken.net> <20070914130039.GX5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46EA9A3D.3030904@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > It seems it is stuck at 48khz. Some intel based onboard audio chips > only support 48khz and the driver converts everything to that before > playing it. Perhaps the 1212m is also fixed 48khz and the driver should > be doing the same there. > Someone from the alsa-users list told me that there is a sample rate switch in alsamixer. I found it by experimenting with the Tab key. I set it to 44100 (it was 48000) and now everything (totem, youtube, audacity) is playing in the correct key. You might have assumed I would have taken care of settings in alsamixer. :/ Anyway - thanks. Now U2 & Mary J. Blige's "One" is in A minor as it should be. God, can that girl sing... Chris > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 14:43:23 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:43:23 -0400 Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <20070914143113.GA21530-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914143113.GA21530@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <46ea9e08.1338400a.1b11.ffff8b18@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of William > O'Higgins Witteman > Sent: Friday 14 September 2007 10:31 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Networking Troubles > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 08:35:06AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 11:44:54PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman > wrote: > >> resolv.conf: > >> nameserver 192.168.1.1 > >> search gotdns.org > > > >Well since you run your own DNS server, maybe it is misconfigured or > >having issues contacting root servers. Or maybe it should just be > >configured with your ISP's nameservers as forwarders which tends to give > >much faster results than bothering the root servers. > > That could be a problem - I am not running a DNS server - I hope to pass > DNS queries to the router (a Linksys WRT54). The router is not the > problem, because every other machine on the network is hunky dory. And the other machines are setup the same way, with the DNS entry pointing to the router? (if they're automatically configured, double check that this is the DNS setting) At this point it doesn't make much sense. If configured the same way, it should work exactly the same as all of the other machines. One last question: are you running a DNS server on this box? Sometimes, a locally running DNS server can cause issues. I also remember qmail behaving very strangely with this (actually, I can't remember whether it wouldn't work with a local DNS server or without one, I just remember it being odd). -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 14:55:48 2007 From: slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (SlackRat) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:55:48 +0200 Subject: SlackRat has broken mail server In-Reply-To: <20070914143210.GE5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> (Lennart Sorensen's message of "Fri\, 14 Sep 2007 10\:32\:10 -0400") References: <20070914141428.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <877imtwchx.fsf@azurservers.com> <20070914143210.GE5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <87y7f9uwi3.fsf@azurservers.com> * lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) a ?crit profondement: | | On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:24:58PM +0200, SlackRat wrote: | > It's working perfectly Len | > | > Just drop the 4Q as indicated below and you'll be in like a Breeze | > | > It is set up that way intentionally | | Well then your mail setup is broken. I consider it rude to expect other | people so solve your spam problems. It is especially rude to cause | bounce messages when people are replying to messages on a mailing list. | | Bogofilter very well for me, and doesn't make other people do extra work | they have to remember to do for things to work. | | Your setup is almost as bad as the systems that want you t reply to a | verification message to prove you are a real person trying to send mail. If you really want to know the reason it is set up the way it is it is because I have been flooded with spam to slackrat4Q Furthermore, I only have ever use that username in this mailing list. Other lists etc are subscribed under other usernames Others have beeen victimized to both greater or lesser degrees than I have via the tlug list -- SlackRat - 4Q to Reply -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 15:03:36 2007 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:03:36 -0400 Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <20070914034454.GA20238-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914021030.GA19625@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46e9f2f8.0580400a.6c64.24be@mx.google.com> <20070914034454.GA20238@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20070914150336.GA21648@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 11:44:54PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >resolv.conf: >nameserver 192.168.1.1 >search gotdns.org > >network/interfaces: >allow-hotplug eth1 >iface eth1 inet static > address 192.168.1.251 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > network 192.168.1.0 > broadcast 192.168.1.255 > gateway 192.168.1.1 > # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed > dns-nameservers 192.168.1.1 > dns-search gotdns.org > >hosts: >127.0.0.1 localhost >192.168.1.251 yam.gotdns.org yam UPDATE: Could this be a problem fixed by the route command? I recall doing something with that once that fixed something like this. I just ran route with no arguments, and got this: Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 There was the characteristic pause between the localnet line and the default line - as if it was waiting for a timeout. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 15:08:17 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:08:17 -0400 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <46EA93E3.2030506-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46ea91fa.0f2b400a.6e5c.ffff8a61@mx.google.com> <46EA93E3.2030506@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 9/14/07, James Knott wrote: > Kareem Shehata wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of David > >> Payne > >> Sent: Thursday 13 September 2007 14:22 > >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Re: TLUG spam > >> > >> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 01:56:55PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > >> > >>> Is there is a way to configure a list server to accept only PGP signed > >>> messages? That way, even if someone spoofs the email address of a > >>> subscriber, it would not do him any good unless he also has the PGP key > >>> of the subscriber. > >>> > >> A lot of people don't sign their emails with a PGP key. It > >> would make it more difficult for new people to sign up to > >> the list. > >> > > > > Much as I love PGP/GPG, it will never work for what I do. The biggest > > problem being that I don't use a computer. I use many computers, both > > simultaneously and in series. My Linux workstation gets used when I'm at > > home, the tablet on the road, and gmail when away. So where do I store my > > private key? I personally wouldn't trust it on anything other than my home > > workstation, and that limits my ability send mail to about 25% of the time. > > > > > > Perhaps, as a stop gap measure, Drew could be removed from the list, at > least using that ID, as he rarely posts here. All the spam I've seen > has his mail address, with someone else's name on it. I don't think he's on the list in the first place... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 15:11:22 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:11:22 -0400 Subject: SlackRat has broken mail server In-Reply-To: <87y7f9uwi3.fsf-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914141428.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <877imtwchx.fsf@azurservers.com> <20070914143210.GE5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87y7f9uwi3.fsf@azurservers.com> Message-ID: <20070914151122.GF5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:55:48PM +0200, SlackRat wrote: > If you really want to know the reason it is set up the way it is it is > because I have been flooded with spam to slackrat4Q > > Furthermore, I only have ever use that username in this mailing > list. > > Other lists etc are subscribed under other usernames > > Others have beeen victimized to both greater or lesser degrees than I > have via the tlug list I just use one email address. I have had it since 1994, and yes it gets lots of spam. Very very few ever make it to my inbox. Bogofilter really does work (spamassassin was not very good when I tried that first). Well I guess it doesn't matter since you can still receive messages through the list, just none personally. Maybe I can teach my spam filter to do the right thing with bounce messages from your server, since they are obviously just more spam for me to delete. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 15:14:53 2007 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:14:53 -0400 Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <20070914150336.GA21648-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914021030.GA19625@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46e9f2f8.0580400a.6c64.24be@mx.google.com> <20070914034454.GA20238@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070914150336.GA21648@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20070914151453.77DE683836@sarg.ryerson.ca> > I just ran route with no arguments, and got this: > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface > localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 > default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 > > There was the characteristic pause between the localnet line and the > default line - as if it was waiting for a timeout. That was it doing a reverse lookup on 192.168.1.1, which of course doesn't exist. ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 15:18:59 2007 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:18:59 -0400 Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <20070914151453.77DE683836-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914021030.GA19625@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46e9f2f8.0580400a.6c64.24be@mx.google.com> <20070914034454.GA20238@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070914150336.GA21648@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070914151453.77DE683836@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20070914151859.GA21716@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:14:53AM -0400, Dave Mason wrote: >> I just ran route with no arguments, and got this: >> Kernel IP routing table >> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface >> localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 >> default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 >> >> There was the characteristic pause between the localnet line and the >> default line - as if it was waiting for a timeout. > >That was it doing a reverse lookup on 192.168.1.1, which of course >doesn't exist. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 15:21:46 2007 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:21:46 -0400 Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <20070914150336.GA21648-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914021030.GA19625@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46e9f2f8.0580400a.6c64.24be@mx.google.com> <20070914034454.GA20238@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070914150336.GA21648@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20070914152146.GA21738@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:03:36AM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 11:44:54PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > >>resolv.conf: >>nameserver 192.168.1.1 >>search gotdns.org >> >>network/interfaces: >>allow-hotplug eth1 >>iface eth1 inet static >> address 192.168.1.251 >> netmask 255.255.255.0 >> network 192.168.1.0 >> broadcast 192.168.1.255 >> gateway 192.168.1.1 >> # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed >> dns-nameservers 192.168.1.1 >> dns-search gotdns.org >> >>hosts: >>127.0.0.1 localhost >>192.168.1.251 yam.gotdns.org yam > >UPDATE: > >Could this be a problem fixed by the route command? I recall doing >something with that once that fixed something like this. > >I just ran route with no arguments, and got this: >Kernel IP routing table >Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface >localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 >default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 > >There was the characteristic pause between the localnet line and the >default line - as if it was waiting for a timeout. On the machine where everything works beautifully, the output of route is the same, but it is instant. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 15:24:08 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:24:08 -0400 Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <20070914151859.GA21716-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914021030.GA19625@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46e9f2f8.0580400a.6c64.24be@mx.google.com> <20070914034454.GA20238@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070914150336.GA21648@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070914151453.77DE683836@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20070914151859.GA21716@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <7ac602420709140824y5d77995bo69b892d11bc45503@mail.gmail.com> On 9/14/07, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:14:53AM -0400, Dave Mason wrote: > >That was it doing a reverse lookup on 192.168.1.1, which of course > >doesn't exist. > > It does exist - it's the router. There's a device at that address, but there's no name associated with it. That's what Dave meant. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-G8usDCtqe957Ar2qsurDTA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 18:14:14 2007 From: tlug-G8usDCtqe957Ar2qsurDTA at public.gmane.org (Allen Taylor) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:14:14 -0400 Subject: OT: Compaq Proliant 2500 Servers - Any Value? Message-ID: <20070914181413.GA31259@thecat.localnet> Good Day Folks, Off topic but someone might be interested (and I did use a Slack disk for testing!): A gent I.m working with has acquired some servers originally paid for with your tax dollars. They are probably heading for the landfill but I'm posting in case there is any interest in them. Compaq Proliant 2500 (Qty: 9) - 200 MHz Pentium Pro (two sockets, one installed) - 128 MB ECC Memory - Wide-Ultra SCSI-3 - Raid card (brand/model unknown) - no hard drives Compaq Storage System (U1 and U2, Qty: 7) - storage expansion units (again, no drives) I test a few of the machines. One would not boot at all. A couple of others hung while loading Insert (Knoppix clone). A Slackware 11 install disk loaded nicely to the command prompt so they should be usable as servers with the right drivers. We.re clearing out a warehouse in Newmarket so these will not be around very long. If anyone has an interest in one (or more) please contact me off list. I will confirm but I suspect the price will be very close to or equal to $0.00. Thanks, Allen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 18:37:09 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:37:09 -0400 Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <20070914150336.GA21648-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914021030.GA19625@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46e9f2f8.0580400a.6c64.24be@mx.google.com> <20070914034454.GA20238@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070914150336.GA21648@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20070914183709.GG5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:03:36AM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Could this be a problem fixed by the route command? I recall doing > something with that once that fixed something like this. > > I just ran route with no arguments, and got this: > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface > localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 > default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 > > There was the characteristic pause between the localnet line and the > default line - as if it was waiting for a timeout. Try ip route show or route -n. The reason the line took time was the route command was waiting for dns to resolve. So nothing wrong with route, it is just being affected by DNS issues like everything else. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 18:52:04 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:52:04 -0400 Subject: OT: Compaq Proliant 2500 Servers - Any Value? In-Reply-To: <20070914181413.GA31259-70WplSiaoiAG/9ncUZ6upg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914181413.GA31259@thecat.localnet> Message-ID: <20070914185204.GH5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 02:14:14PM -0400, Allen Taylor wrote: > Off topic but someone might be interested (and I did use a Slack disk > for testing!): > > A gent I.m working with has acquired some servers originally paid for > with your tax dollars. They are probably heading for the landfill but > I'm posting in case there is any interest in them. > > Compaq Proliant 2500 (Qty: 9) > - 200 MHz Pentium Pro (two sockets, one installed) > - 128 MB ECC Memory > - Wide-Ultra SCSI-3 > - Raid card (brand/model unknown) > - no hard drives > > Compaq Storage System (U1 and U2, Qty: 7) > - storage expansion units (again, no drives) > > I test a few of the machines. One would not boot at all. A couple of > others hung while loading Insert (Knoppix clone). A Slackware 11 install > disk loaded nicely to the command prompt so they should be usable as > servers with the right drivers. > > We.re clearing out a warehouse in Newmarket so these will not be around > very long. If anyone has an interest in one (or more) please contact me > off list. I will confirm but I suspect the price will be very close to > or equal to $0.00. Well they are just old x86 machines, and while machines capable of SMP were interesting some years ago, today anyone can get a multi core machine we a few hundred dollars that is 10 times faster and uses less power and has 8 to 16 times the ram. This is why I don't collect old x86 systems at all, only interesting stuff. :) You could save the CPUs and ram since there may be people that would find that stuff useful as spare parts, although not very many systems ever ran buffered ecc edo dimms. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 19:50:17 2007 From: fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (asdf) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <1189824566.3711.8.camel@localhost> References: <1189824566.3711.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <186522.22527.qm@web51802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- keith wrote: > On Thu, 2007-13-09 at 13:56 -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > ... > > > > Is there is a way to configure a list server to accept only PGP signed > > messages? That way, even if someone spoofs the email address of a > > subscriber, it would not do him any good unless he also has the PGP key > > of the subscriber. > > That would limit the list to only parties using PGP. I dunno, but IMHO > that might be too far a reach for some, particularily newbies. > > Cheers > Keith > It would be out of reach to non-newbies as well IMHO... I tried using PGP signed email a few years back but it was cumbersome and not everyone I know can be bothered to configure PGP signed emails let alone understand them. There's something to be said for the simplicity and convenience of web-based email such as Yahoo and Gmail. My $0.02... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 20:23:30 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:23:30 -0400 Subject: Spam issues In-Reply-To: <46EA275C.1090806-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0709131515r3dec5676tad81446f8d1945@mail.gmail.com> <20070913210903.5351cb5d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20070914054312.GG20259@payneful.ca> <46EA275C.1090806@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20070914162330.6bf1ecea@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Channelling Xenu, Kevin Cozens's body Thetan said: > David Payne wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 09:09:03PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > >> Just curious, but is this something recent? Because I haven't seen any > >> spam on the list at all... > > > > I get spam from this list ~ 3-4 times a week. > > Interesting. I was also wondering about this thread. I haven't noticed any > SPAM here. Must be my e-mail filtering is working well. That's the thing, like I said, I commented Bogofilter out of my procmailrc about a week ago, and I know that Teksavvy does not do any kind of spam blocking. I've never seen a spam e-mail from TLUG, even when I was running Bogo and would be tailing the log looking for false positives. Not that I _want_ to see the spam, I just kinda feel left out ;) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Fry: You gotta help me, Bender. How can I prove I'm human? Bender: You could drop dead. That'd show 'em. Fry: I don't wanna. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 20:27:57 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:27:57 -0400 Subject: Game On! In-Reply-To: <46E8B2F9.9000705-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709110808o2907c62bwb4365af12847effd@mail.gmail.com> <20070912223812.3a710643@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46E8B2F9.9000705@golden.net> Message-ID: <20070914162757.676c5ba7@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Channelling Xenu, John Myshrall's body Thetan said: > JoeHill wrote: > > Channelling Xenu, Scott Elcomb's body Thetan said: > > > > > >> I came across this article this morning: > >> > >> "Nuxified.org and Cluenet.org are preparing to hold a Free Software > >> gaming tournament. Its purpose is to promote gaming in the Free > >> Software world, on operating systems such as GNU/Linux, and *BSD and > >> show that gaming is not limited to proprietary platforms such as > >> Microsoft's Windows." > >> > >> Sounds like fun. :-) > >> > >> To read the article: > >> http://tinyurl.com/3ck2kl > >> or > >> http://www.nuxified.org/article/nuxified_and_cluenet_prepare_a_gaming_tourney_you_are_invited > >> > >> To signup: > >> http://www.nuxified.org/topic/sign_up_here_for_the_tourney > >> > > > > So far it looks like my favourite game is not going to make it in, due to > > the massive majority that is voting for only including > > games that are absolutely free, ie. including the game data. Because the > > license for UT, as far as I can tell, says that the data cannot be > > distributed or used for commercial purposes, it is not 'free'. Am I correct > > in this interpretation? > > > > > Joe have you tried Tremulous yet ? UT is still gr8 however I haven't > played since 2004 edition. Trem rocks ! Tremulous looks cool, especially playing as an alien, I like pretending I'm spiderman. I haven't _played_ it yet, as it looks like there is some degree of learning involved with regard to the whole constructing game elements thing, like the automated turrets and such. Almost sounds like the old Weapons Factory mod for Q3, in fact... I did notice in the game browser that there appear to be a lot of very active servers in Toronto though, any one in particular you can recommend? If this is going to be a game at the tourney, and I may just attend, then I should get some practice time in ;) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: If it ain't black and white, peck, scratch and bite. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 20:42:17 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:42:17 -0400 Subject: Spam issues In-Reply-To: <20070914162330.6bf1ecea-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0709131515r3dec5676tad81446f8d1945@mail.gmail.com> <20070913210903.5351cb5d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20070914054312.GG20259@payneful.ca> <46EA275C.1090806@ve3syb.ca> <20070914162330.6bf1ecea@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20070914204217.GI5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:23:30PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > That's the thing, like I said, I commented Bogofilter out of my procmailrc > about a week ago, and I know that Teksavvy does not do any kind of spam > blocking. I've never seen a spam e-mail from TLUG, even when I was running Bogo > and would be tailing the log looking for false positives. > > Not that I _want_ to see the spam, I just kinda feel left out ;) This subject arived just after your message: [TLUG]: J4eger-LeCoultre repl1ca w4tch at Prest1ge Repl1cas Two copies in fact it would appear. And as usual they claim to be from drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org to drew-jmbJ75VLJBo at public.gmane.org There have been at least a few each day for the last week or so. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 20:58:04 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:58:04 -0400 Subject: Game On! In-Reply-To: <20070914162757.676c5ba7-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709110808o2907c62bwb4365af12847effd@mail.gmail.com> <20070912223812.3a710643@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46E8B2F9.9000705@golden.net> <20070914162757.676c5ba7@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <46EAF5DC.9020304@utoronto.ca> JoeHill wrote: > Channelling Xenu, John Myshrall's body Thetan said: > >> JoeHill wrote: >>> Channelling Xenu, Scott Elcomb's body Thetan said: >>> >>> >>>> I came across this article this morning: >>>> >>>> "Nuxified.org and Cluenet.org are preparing to hold a Free Software >>>> gaming tournament. Its purpose is to promote gaming in the Free >>>> Software world, on operating systems such as GNU/Linux, and *BSD and >>>> show that gaming is not limited to proprietary platforms such as >>>> Microsoft's Windows." >>>> >>>> Sounds like fun. :-) >>>> >>>> To read the article: >>>> http://tinyurl.com/3ck2kl >>>> or >>>> http://www.nuxified.org/article/nuxified_and_cluenet_prepare_a_gaming_tourney_you_are_invited >>>> >>>> To signup: >>>> http://www.nuxified.org/topic/sign_up_here_for_the_tourney >>>> >>> So far it looks like my favourite game is not going to make it in, due to >>> the massive majority that is voting for only including >>> games that are absolutely free, ie. including the game data. Because the >>> license for UT, as far as I can tell, says that the data cannot be >>> distributed or used for commercial purposes, it is not 'free'. Am I correct >>> in this interpretation? >>> >>> >> Joe have you tried Tremulous yet ? UT is still gr8 however I haven't >> played since 2004 edition. Trem rocks ! > > Tremulous looks cool, especially playing as an alien, I like pretending I'm > spiderman. > > I haven't _played_ it yet, as it looks like there is some degree of learning > involved with regard to the whole constructing game elements thing, like the > automated turrets and such. Almost sounds like the old Weapons Factory mod for > Q3, in fact... > > I did notice in the game browser that there appear to be a lot of very active > servers in Toronto though, any one in particular you can recommend? If this is > going to be a game at the tourney, and I may just attend, then I should get > some practice time in ;) > Just hop in any of them and don't worry about building for now. Watch how others do it, but typically a team will only have 1 or 2 builders, and the ones who do that are really quite picky about others "not doing it right" :) Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 21:05:13 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:05:13 -0400 Subject: No comment necessary Message-ID: <46EAF789.8020809@telly.org> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Important Announcement from SCO Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:55:17 -0600 From: The SCO Group Reply-To: partners-O47CVlosszw at public.gmane.org Dear SCO Customers and Partners, This afternoon we took the extraordinary step of filing for Chapter 11 protection in U.S. Bankruptcy Court to protect assets for our creditors and stockholders and to ensure the continuation of our normal business operations. This decision was not taken without extensive consultation with the board of directors, and many outside experts and legal counsel. SCO intends to maintain business as usual throughout the Chapter 11 proceedings. Subject to court approval, SCO will use the cash flow from its operations to meet its capital needs throughout the reorganization process. Other companies such as Delta Airlines, Texaco, Dow Corning, K-Mart, United Airlines, Toys R? Us, Macy?s Department Stores and others have emerged from Chapter 11 protection after restructuring themselves for success. We intend to do the same. We value our relationship with you and want to provide the assurance that you can continue to order product, and receive exemplary service and support from us during this restructuring period. We invite you to consult with your SCO representative if you have any questions or concerns. Sincerely, Darl McBride President & CEO The SCO Group Safely unsubscribe from The SCO Group e-mail at any time by clicking here -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 21:26:40 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:26:40 -0400 Subject: The SCO Group Files Chapter 11 to Protect Assets as It Addresses Potential Financial and Legal Challenges Message-ID: <46EAFC90.1010102@rogers.com> http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/LAF04014092007-1.htm -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 21:23:35 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:23:35 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive Message-ID: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> I have a slave hard drive. I have nto got into it since I did a clean install of fedora 7. I stayed away from it during the installation. I want to access it now. It contains songs (.ogg). I want to do this right as I don't have a backup. I backed up all my data before the installation, but the 10 GB music sdlave drive I never backed up because my space on the backup computer isn't enough to accommodate that. I figured if I lost the songs it wouldn't be the end of the world. But I don't want to lose them. The drive of course is not listed in /etc/fstab. I don't seem to haev a Hardware Browser (or somesuch) in fedora 7. Can someone step me through mounting this drive? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rrod-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 21:38:45 2007 From: rrod-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (R.R.) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:38:45 -0400 Subject: No comment necessary In-Reply-To: <46EAF789.8020809-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAF789.8020809@telly.org> Message-ID: <000001c7f717$a0c7b6e0$e25724a0$@com> I'm surprised Darl hasn't been shot yet by one of the shareholders. - Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 5:05 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: No comment necessary -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Important Announcement from SCO Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:55:17 -0600 From: The SCO Group Reply-To: partners-O47CVlosszw at public.gmane.org Dear SCO Customers and Partners, This afternoon we took the extraordinary step of filing for Chapter 11 protection in U.S. Bankruptcy Court to protect assets for our creditors and stockholders and to ensure the continuation of our normal business operations. This decision was not taken without extensive consultation with the board of directors, and many outside experts and legal counsel. SCO intends to maintain business as usual throughout the Chapter 11 proceedings. Subject to court approval, SCO will use the cash flow from its operations to meet its capital needs throughout the reorganization process. Other companies such as Delta Airlines, Texaco, Dow Corning, K-Mart, United Airlines, Toys R' Us, Macy's Department Stores and others have emerged from Chapter 11 protection after restructuring themselves for success. We intend to do the same. We value our relationship with you and want to provide the assurance that you can continue to order product, and receive exemplary service and support from us during this restructuring period. We invite you to consult with your SCO representative if you have any questions or concerns. Sincerely, Darl McBride President & CEO The SCO Group Safely unsubscribe from The SCO Group e-mail at any time by clicking here -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 22:09:31 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:09:31 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <46EAFBD7.80006-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: I would use fdisk to find out how the drive is named. eg /dev/hdac ? Or perhaps /var/log/messages will tell ? After that, make an entry for it in fstab, a similar one as for another drive, and make also a directory where it should be mounted on, the same as you will enter in fstab. And reboot - thats easier than finding correct syntax for mount ;) zb. On 9/14/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > I have a slave hard drive. I have nto got into it since I did a clean > install of fedora 7. I stayed away from it during the installation. I > want to access it now. It contains songs (.ogg). I want to do this right > as I don't have a backup. I backed up all my data before the > installation, but the 10 GB music sdlave drive I never backed up because > my space on the backup computer isn't enough to accommodate that. I > figured if I lost the songs it wouldn't be the end of the world. But I > don't want to lose them. The drive of course is not listed in > /etc/fstab. I don't seem to haev a Hardware Browser (or somesuch) in > fedora 7. Can someone step me through mounting this drive? > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 22:31:05 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:31:05 -0700 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <46EAFBD7.80006-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709141531hfcca80dn98c242034798311e@mail.gmail.com> I'm going to assume that the drive is an IDE. Here are your standard IDE drive designations in linux: Primary Master /dev/hda Primary Slave /dev/hdb Secondary Master /dev/hdc Secondary Slave /dev/hdd Assuming that your data is on the first partition of the primary slave, you would use mount /dev/hdb1 /some/place/to/mount (the place you are mounting to must already exist) If you have a windows FAT32 filesystem, you might want to mount it under a particular UID. On my systems (Debian), the first general user is UID 1000, so that would be: mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /some/place/to/mount If you wanted to list the partitions, you could do fdisk -l /dev/hdb (or any other drive) Or for a nicer gui cfdisk /dev/hdb (just don't accidentally make a change and then accidentally save over your partition table). Lastly, there's a gui tool called qtparted that lets you view, resize, etc drive partitions. You could just use it to peek around your drives and see what partitions are available. If you happen to have SCSI/SATA drives, your drives are likely going to be /dev/sda, /dev/sdb etc instead of hda, hdb and so on. Cheers, TJA On 9/14/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > I have a slave hard drive. I have nto got into it since I did a clean > install of fedora 7. I stayed away from it during the installation. I > want to access it now. It contains songs (.ogg). I want to do this right > as I don't have a backup. I backed up all my data before the > installation, but the 10 GB music sdlave drive I never backed up because > my space on the backup computer isn't enough to accommodate that. I > figured if I lost the songs it wouldn't be the end of the world. But I > don't want to lose them. The drive of course is not listed in > /etc/fstab. I don't seem to haev a Hardware Browser (or somesuch) in > fedora 7. Can someone step me through mounting this drive? > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 14 23:55:20 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Ina Champion) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:55:20 -0500 Subject: Your Mer1dia 0rder #9277048 Message-ID: We have everything you need: Phenterm1ne, Cial1s S0ft T4bs, V1agra S0ft T4bs, Cial1s, V1agra, Lev1tra, Propec1a, Val1um, Xan4x, Amb1en, Zyb4n, Atar4x, At1van, Car1soma, Ultr4m, Glucoph4ge, Lip1tor, Mer1dia, Zoc0r, N0rvasc. We respect your privacy - we guarantee you a total anonymity of your 0rder. Visit US He4lthc4re Inc. online at: http://www.ueuehwnn.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 00:00:15 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:00:15 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <46EAFBD7.80006-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <200709142000.15335.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On Friday 14 September 2007 17:23, Chris Aitken wrote: > I have a slave hard drive. I have nto got into it since I did a clean > install of fedora 7. I stayed away from it during the installation. I > want to access it now. It contains songs (.ogg). I want to do this right > as I don't have a backup. I backed up all my data before the > installation, but the 10 GB music sdlave drive I never backed up because > my space on the backup computer isn't enough to accommodate that. I > figured if I lost the songs it wouldn't be the end of the world. But I > don't want to lose them. The drive of course is not listed in > /etc/fstab. I don't seem to haev a Hardware Browser (or somesuch) in > fedora 7. Can someone step me through mounting this drive? > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 00:37:16 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:37:16 -0400 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: References: <46ea91fa.0f2b400a.6e5c.ffff8a61@mx.google.com> <46EA93E3.2030506@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46EB293C.3090607@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > I don't think he's on the list in the first place... > I have seen a post from him, but it was a couple of years back. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 01:52:45 2007 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:52:45 -0400 Subject: Game On! In-Reply-To: <20070914162757.676c5ba7-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709110808o2907c62bwb4365af12847effd@mail.gmail.com> <20070912223812.3a710643@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46E8B2F9.9000705@golden.net> <20070914162757.676c5ba7@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <46EB3AED.60103@golden.net> JoeHill wrote: > Channelling Xenu, John Myshrall's body Thetan said: > > >> JoeHill wrote: >> >>> Channelling Xenu, Scott Elcomb's body Thetan said: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I came across this article this morning: >>>> >>>> "Nuxified.org and Cluenet.org are preparing to hold a Free Software >>>> gaming tournament. Its purpose is to promote gaming in the Free >>>> Software world, on operating systems such as GNU/Linux, and *BSD and >>>> show that gaming is not limited to proprietary platforms such as >>>> Microsoft's Windows." >>>> >>>> Sounds like fun. :-) >>>> >>>> To read the article: >>>> http://tinyurl.com/3ck2kl >>>> or >>>> http://www.nuxified.org/article/nuxified_and_cluenet_prepare_a_gaming_tourney_you_are_invited >>>> >>>> To signup: >>>> http://www.nuxified.org/topic/sign_up_here_for_the_tourney >>>> >>>> >>> So far it looks like my favourite game is not going to make it in, due to >>> the massive majority that is voting for only including >>> games that are absolutely free, ie. including the game data. Because the >>> license for UT, as far as I can tell, says that the data cannot be >>> distributed or used for commercial purposes, it is not 'free'. Am I correct >>> in this interpretation? >>> >>> >>> >> Joe have you tried Tremulous yet ? UT is still gr8 however I haven't >> played since 2004 edition. Trem rocks ! >> > > Tremulous looks cool, especially playing as an alien, I like pretending I'm > spiderman. > > I haven't _played_ it yet, as it looks like there is some degree of learning > involved with regard to the whole constructing game elements thing, like the > automated turrets and such. Almost sounds like the old Weapons Factory mod for > Q3, in fact... > > I did notice in the game browser that there appear to be a lot of very active > servers in Toronto though, any one in particular you can recommend? If this is > going to be a game at the tourney, and I may just attend, then I should get > some practice time in ;) > > Dretch Storm rocks as a Tremulous server. Very little lag and there is a Forum Site set up as well. I'm Opus there. http://dretchstorm.com/ HTH John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 02:24:44 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:24:44 -0400 Subject: Game On! In-Reply-To: <46EB3AED.60103-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709110808o2907c62bwb4365af12847effd@mail.gmail.com> <20070912223812.3a710643@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46E8B2F9.9000705@golden.net> <20070914162757.676c5ba7@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46EB3AED.60103@golden.net> Message-ID: <20070914222444.6c5da473@node1.freeyourmachine.org> On d%, John Myshrall wrote: > JoeHill wrote: > > Channelling Xenu, John Myshrall's body Thetan said: > > > >> Joe have you tried Tremulous yet ? UT is still gr8 however I haven't > >> played since 2004 edition. Trem rocks ! > >> > > > > Tremulous looks cool, especially playing as an alien, I like pretending I'm > > spiderman. > > > > I haven't _played_ it yet, as it looks like there is some degree of learning > > involved with regard to the whole constructing game elements thing, like the > > automated turrets and such. Almost sounds like the old Weapons Factory mod > > for Q3, in fact... > > > > I did notice in the game browser that there appear to be a lot of very > > active servers in Toronto though, any one in particular you can recommend? > > If this is going to be a game at the tourney, and I may just attend, then I > > should get some practice time in ;) > > > > > Dretch Storm rocks as a Tremulous server. Very little lag and there is a > Forum Site set up as well. I'm Opus there. As in the penguin? > http://dretchstorm.com/ Very nice, lot's of info to get me started. I liked the treatise on use/misuse of the jetpack. I don't think I want to be called 'jettard'. Thanks! -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Hermes to Bender: "What did you get her, you mushy gizmo?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 04:31:56 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <46EAFBD7.80006-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, Chris Aitken wrote: > I have a slave hard drive. I have nto got into it since I did a clean install > of fedora 7. I stayed away from it during the installation. I want to access > it now. It contains songs (.ogg). I want to do this right as I don't have a > backup. I backed up all my data before the installation, but the 10 GB music > sdlave drive I never backed up because my space on the backup computer isn't > enough to accommodate that. I figured if I lost the songs it wouldn't be the > end of the world. But I don't want to lose them. The drive of course is not > listed in /etc/fstab. I don't seem to haev a Hardware Browser (or somesuch) > in fedora 7. Can someone step me through mounting this drive? Hi Chris. Use "fdisk -l" as root to see all of the partitions the box thinks it has. Figure out which one is the one you are interested in. For argument's take lets say you figure out it is /dev/hdb1. You can do this: mkdir /mnt/hdb1 mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1 This is only a temporary solution. Add an entry in /etc/fstab (back it up first!) and then umount the partition from /mnt/hdb1 and mount it in the correct place. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 06:50:46 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 02:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sept 11th Meeting, What happened? In-Reply-To: <20070912124326.GK5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <155676.62751.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070912001409.3bd0e216@david.chipman> <313ea3dd0709112158j1112cf61sfe1d6d2411064248@mail.gmail.com> <20070912124326.GK5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 12:58:44AM -0400, Michael Kennedy wrote: | > Interesting session overall, albeit probably not the most productive. | > And I didn't bring my $20... So I guess I won't be invited back. ;) | | What $20? To be a member of the organization "GTALUG", membership is $20. If you join up, you can vote for Directors at the Annual General Meeting. The AGM is going to be the first portion of the next regular meeting. You certainly don't have to be a member to attend the meetings. In fact, the meetings have existed far longer than the formal organization. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-G8usDCtqe957Ar2qsurDTA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 14:00:43 2007 From: tlug-G8usDCtqe957Ar2qsurDTA at public.gmane.org (Allen Taylor) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:00:43 -0400 Subject: Spam issues In-Reply-To: <20070914162330.6bf1ecea-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0709131515r3dec5676tad81446f8d1945@mail.gmail.com> <20070913210903.5351cb5d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20070914054312.GG20259@payneful.ca> <46EA275C.1090806@ve3syb.ca> <20070914162330.6bf1ecea@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20070915140043.GA32011@thecat.localnet> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:23:30PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > Channelling Xenu, Kevin Cozens's body Thetan said: > > > David Payne wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 09:09:03PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > > >> Just curious, but is this something recent? Because I haven't seen any > > >> spam on the list at all... > > > > > > I get spam from this list ~ 3-4 times a week. > > > > Interesting. I was also wondering about this thread. I haven't noticed any > > SPAM here. Must be my e-mail filtering is working well. > > That's the thing, like I said, I commented Bogofilter out of my procmailrc > about a week ago, and I know that Teksavvy does not do any kind of spam > blocking. I've never seen a spam e-mail from TLUG, even when I was running Bogo > and would be tailing the log looking for false positives. Teksavvy puts all my incoming mail thru "IronPort" (check your headers). I'm not aware of any option to change it although I suspect they could turn if off if I requested it. I get almost zero SPAM (one a week max). I also don't know about any false positives although occasionally I have TLUG threads where the original messages of a thread never appears even though the rest of the thread does? ? Allen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 14:23:33 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:23:33 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709141531hfcca80dn98c242034798311e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709141531hfcca80dn98c242034798311e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EBEAE5.3010801@chrisaitken.net> Tyler Aviss wrote: > If you happen to have SCSI/SATA drives, your drives are likely going > to be /dev/sda, /dev/sdb etc instead of hda, hdb and so on. > Yeah, I noticed they are named sda, sdb, though I don't have SATA drives - they are IDE. I guess fedora 7 just names themas if they are SATA? > > Cheers, > > > TJA > > > On 9/14/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I have a slave hard drive. I have nto got into it since I did a clean >> install of fedora 7. I stayed away from it during the installation. I >> want to access it now. It contains songs (.ogg). I want to do this right >> as I don't have a backup. I backed up all my data before the >> installation, but the 10 GB music sdlave drive I never backed up because >> my space on the backup computer isn't enough to accommodate that. I >> figured if I lost the songs it wouldn't be the end of the world. But I >> don't want to lose them. The drive of course is not listed in >> /etc/fstab. I don't seem to haev a Hardware Browser (or somesuch) in >> fedora 7. Can someone step me through mounting this drive? >> >> Chris >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 15:30:19 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Curtis Colvin) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:30:19 -0500 Subject: Your Zol0ft 0rder #26128 Message-ID: We have everything you need: Phenterm1ne, Cial1s S0ft T4bs, V1agra S0ft T4bs, Cial1s, V1agra, Lev1tra, Propec1a, Val1um, Xan4x, Amb1en, Zyb4n, Atar4x, At1van, Car1soma, Ultr4m, Glucoph4ge, Lip1tor, Mer1dia, Zoc0r, N0rvasc. We respect your privacy - we guarantee you a total anonymity of your 0rder. Visit US He4lthc4re Inc. online at: http://www.jeuwihhb.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 14:28:31 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:28:31 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I have a slave hard drive. I have nto got into it since I did a clean >> install of fedora 7. I stayed away from it during the installation. I >> want to access it now. It contains songs (.ogg). I want to do this >> right as I don't have a backup. I backed up all my data before the >> installation, but the 10 GB music sdlave drive I never backed up >> because my space on the backup computer isn't enough to accommodate >> that. I figured if I lost the songs it wouldn't be the end of the >> world. But I don't want to lose them. The drive of course is not >> listed in /etc/fstab. I don't seem to haev a Hardware Browser (or >> somesuch) in fedora 7. Can someone step me through mounting this drive? > > Hi Chris. Use "fdisk -l" as root to see all of the partitions the box > thinks it has. Figure out which one is the one you are interested in. Should I worry that /dev/hdb1 (the partition I'm trying to mount) has a Start and End of 1, and that System is Empty?: [root at p733 chris]# /sbin/fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 20.5 GB, 20547841536 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2498 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 608 4876168+ b W95 FAT32 Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. /dev/sda2 609 620 96390 83 Linux /dev/sda3 621 2498 15085035 8e Linux LVM Disk /dev/sdb: 10.0 GB, 10005037056 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1216 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 1 1 0 0 Empty Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. [root at p733 chris]# -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 14:45:15 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:45:15 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46EBEFFB.1020706@chrisaitken.net> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I have a slave hard drive. I have nto got into it since I did a clean >> install of fedora 7. I stayed away from it during the installation. I >> want to access it now. It contains songs (.ogg). I want to do this >> right as I don't have a backup. I backed up all my data before the >> installation, but the 10 GB music sdlave drive I never backed up >> because my space on the backup computer isn't enough to accommodate >> that. I figured if I lost the songs it wouldn't be the end of the >> world. But I don't want to lose them. The drive of course is not >> listed in /etc/fstab. I don't seem to haev a Hardware Browser (or >> somesuch) in fedora 7. Can someone step me through mounting this drive? > > Hi Chris. Use "fdisk -l" as root to see all of the partitions the box > thinks it has. Figure out which one is the one you are interested in. > > For argument's take lets say you figure out it is /dev/hdb1. You can > do this: > > mkdir /mnt/hdb1 > mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1 [root at p733 chris]# mkdir /bckupdrv [root at p733 chris]# mount /dev/sdb1 /bckupdrv mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist [root at p733 chris]# That did not work. Chris > > This is only a temporary solution. Add an entry in /etc/fstab (back > it up first!) and then umount the partition from /mnt/hdb1 and mount > it in the correct place. > > Cheers, > > Rob > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 14:48:25 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:48:25 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709141531hfcca80dn98c242034798311e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709141531hfcca80dn98c242034798311e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EBF0B9.8000302@chrisaitken.net> Tyler Aviss wrote: > I'm going to assume that the drive is an IDE. Here are your standard > IDE drive designations in linux: > > Primary Master /dev/hda > Primary Slave /dev/hdb > Secondary Master /dev/hdc > Secondary Slave /dev/hdd > > Assuming that your data is on the first partition of the primary > slave, you would use > > mount /dev/hdb1 /some/place/to/mount > (the place you are mounting to must already exist) > [root at p733 chris]# mkdir /bckupdrv mkdir: cannot create directory `/bckupdrv': File exists [root at p733 chris]# mount /dev/sdb1 /bckupdrv mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist [root at p733 chris]# Didn't work. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 14:56:40 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:56:40 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46EBF2A8.8070707@chrisaitken.net> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > I would use fdisk to find out how the drive is named. Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 1 1 0 0 Empty Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. > eg /dev/hdac ? > /dev/sdb1 > Or perhaps /var/log/messages will tell ? After that, make an entry for > it in fstab, a similar one as for another drive, and make also a > directory where it should be mounted on, the same as you will enter in > fstab. And reboot - thats easier than finding correct syntax for mount > ;) > I don't see anything in fstab that even shows what physical drive anything is on: [root at p733 chris]# cat /etc/fstab LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 sysfs /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 swap swap defaults 0 0 > zb. > > On 9/14/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I have a slave hard drive. I have nto got into it since I did a clean >> install of fedora 7. I stayed away from it during the installation. I >> want to access it now. It contains songs (.ogg). I want to do this right >> as I don't have a backup. I backed up all my data before the >> installation, but the 10 GB music sdlave drive I never backed up because >> my space on the backup computer isn't enough to accommodate that. I >> figured if I lost the songs it wouldn't be the end of the world. But I >> don't want to lose them. The drive of course is not listed in >> /etc/fstab. I don't seem to haev a Hardware Browser (or somesuch) in >> fedora 7. Can someone step me through mounting this drive? >> >> Chris >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 15:02:06 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:02:06 -0400 Subject: Spam issues In-Reply-To: <20070915140043.GA32011-70WplSiaoiAG/9ncUZ6upg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0709131515r3dec5676tad81446f8d1945@mail.gmail.com> <20070913210903.5351cb5d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20070914054312.GG20259@payneful.ca> <46EA275C.1090806@ve3syb.ca> <20070914162330.6bf1ecea@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20070915140043.GA32011@thecat.localnet> Message-ID: <20070915110206.0355e8ff@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Allen Taylor wrote: > On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:23:30PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > > Channelling Xenu, Kevin Cozens's body Thetan said: > > > > > David Payne wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 09:09:03PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > > > >> Just curious, but is this something recent? Because I haven't seen any > > > >> spam on the list at all... > > > > > > > > I get spam from this list ~ 3-4 times a week. > > > > > > Interesting. I was also wondering about this thread. I haven't noticed > > > any SPAM here. Must be my e-mail filtering is working well. > > > > That's the thing, like I said, I commented Bogofilter out of my procmailrc > > about a week ago, and I know that Teksavvy does not do any kind of spam > > blocking. I've never seen a spam e-mail from TLUG, even when I was running > > Bogo and would be tailing the log looking for false positives. > > Teksavvy puts all my incoming mail thru "IronPort" (check your > headers). You are correct sir! Funny, I did ask the rep at teksavvy about this when I ordered, and I was told they do nothing with regard to either spam or traffic shaping. > I'm not aware of any option to change it although I suspect they could turn > if off if I requested it. It's tempting to ask. Of course, my paranoia regarding this issue stems from my experience with Sympatico's anti-spam 'system', which had no problem with actual spam, but would allow nothing through from Sourceforge. > I get almost zero SPAM (one a week max). I also > don't know about any false positives although occasionally I have TLUG > threads where the original messages of a thread never appears even though the > rest of the thread does? ? Yes, now that you mention it, I have noticed that too. It seems to be more often with certain people if I remember correctly, no? -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bubblegum: Bender, you can talk trash, you can handle the ball, but look in your heart and ask yourself: are you funky enough to be a Globe Trotter? Are you? Bender: Yes. Bubblegum: Are you? Bender: I mean, with time, my funk level could... Bubblegum: Are you?! Bender: No. Bubblegum: Deal with it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 15:37:47 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Dual display with built-in mobo video In-Reply-To: <313ea3dd0709130812r138e2dc2ke48e32e8874b2ab0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46e89517.0108400a.5ad9.fffff0d3@mx.google.com> <20070913145138.GN5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <313ea3dd0709130812r138e2dc2ke48e32e8874b2ab0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Michael Kennedy | When disposing of old gear, I find the most efficient way is to post | as ***FREE*** on toronto.craigslist.org, but if you are going to | actually throw it out, the City of Toronto takes old computers and | monitors at their drop-off depots. | | See: http://www.toronto.ca/garbage/pdf/solidwastedrop-offdepots.pdf There are also "Community Environment Days" put on by Toronto http://www.toronto.ca/environment_days/index.htm These cycle through various communities during the warm half of the year. I just came back from dropping stuff off at one that is closer to Lennart's home than to mine: near 401 and Victoria Park. It closes in 2.5 hours. They don't check to see that you are a citizen of Toronto. This is a guilt-free way of getting rid of a bunch of things. For example, they will recycle styrofoam even though the Blue Box program does not. It is a crying shame to see the computing equiptment that gets discarded. I did not rescue anything today, but I have in the past. This is a little difficult because once the authorities get their hands on something they will not give it up. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 17:16:55 2007 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Spam issues In-Reply-To: <20070915140043.GA32011-70WplSiaoiAG/9ncUZ6upg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0709131515r3dec5676tad81446f8d1945@mail.gmail.com> <20070913210903.5351cb5d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20070914054312.GG20259@payneful.ca> <46EA275C.1090806@ve3syb.ca> <20070914162330.6bf1ecea@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20070915140043.GA32011@thecat.localnet> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Allen Taylor wrote: > On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:23:30PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: >> Channelling Xenu, Kevin Cozens's body Thetan said: >>> David Payne wrote: >>>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 09:09:03PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: >>>>> Just curious, but is this something recent? Because I haven't seen any >>>>> spam on the list at all... >>>> >>>> I get spam from this list ~ 3-4 times a week. >>> >>> Interesting. I was also wondering about this thread. I haven't noticed any >>> SPAM here. Must be my e-mail filtering is working well. >> >> That's the thing, like I said, I commented Bogofilter out of my procmailrc >> about a week ago, and I know that Teksavvy does not do any kind of spam >> blocking. I've never seen a spam e-mail from TLUG, even when I was running Bogo >> and would be tailing the log looking for false positives. > > Teksavvy puts all my incoming mail thru "IronPort" (check your > headers). I'm not aware of any option to change it although I suspect > they could turn if off if I requested it. IIRC, when they first installed filtering, there was no way to turn it off. Shortly afterwards, they did offer that option. > I get almost zero SPAM (one a week max). I also don't know about any > false positives although occasionally I have TLUG threads where the > original messages of a thread never appears even though the rest of > the thread does? ? -- Chris F.A. Johnson ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 17:39:19 2007 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Game On! In-Reply-To: <20070914222444.6c5da473-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709110808o2907c62bwb4365af12847effd@mail.gmail.com> <20070912223812.3a710643@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46E8B2F9.9000705@golden.net> <20070914162757.676c5ba7@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46EB3AED.60103@golden.net> <20070914222444.6c5da473@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <1189877959.46ec18c791e2a@webmail.golden.net> Quoting JoeHill : > On d%, John Myshrall wrote: > > > JoeHill wrote: > > > Channelling Xenu, John Myshrall's body Thetan said: > > > > > >> Joe have you tried Tremulous yet ? UT is still gr8 however I > haven't > > >> played since 2004 edition. Trem rocks ! > > >> > > > > > > Tremulous looks cool, especially playing as an alien, I like > pretending I'm > > > spiderman. > > > > > > I haven't _played_ it yet, as it looks like there is some degree of > learning > > > involved with regard to the whole constructing game elements thing, > like the > > > automated turrets and such. Almost sounds like the old Weapons > Factory mod > > > for Q3, in fact... > > > > > > I did notice in the game browser that there appear to be a lot of > very > > > active servers in Toronto though, any one in particular you can > recommend? > > > If this is going to be a game at the tourney, and I may just attend, > then I > > > should get some practice time in ;) > > > > > > > > Dretch Storm rocks as a Tremulous server. Very little lag and there is > a > > Forum Site set up as well. I'm Opus there. > > As in the penguin? > > > http://dretchstorm.com/ > > Very nice, lot's of info to get me started. I liked the treatise on > use/misuse > of the jetpack. I don't think I want to be called 'jettard'. Thanks! > > -- > JoeHill > ++++++++++++++++++++ > Hermes to Bender: "What did you get her, you mushy gizmo?" > Yes as in Opus the Penguin. I just did a BLOG there "Why Opus" I loved reading Bloom County and Outland. Berkeley Breathed had some great strips. I particularly like # 9 of his top picks. There are some that say that Tux is an Opus love child from Lola Granola. Jettard is not bad unless that's all you do. I'd rather have 3 jets flying protecting the base than sitting on floor to become Tyrant feed. John AKA Mylo but not Bloom. -------------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through WebMail | Courtesy of Execulink -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 20:35:09 2007 From: dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org (Dominic Bonfiglio) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:35:09 -0400 Subject: amateur question about wlan Message-ID: <46EC41FD.60307@gmx.de> hello, i am running an atheros madwifi driver on an ibm t42p with a kde 10.2 os. i've noticed that, compared to other pcs, my system has a difficult time connecting (or staying connected) to wireless networks. for example, i currently live in a house with a wlan system (and wpa security). from my room, the signal strength averages between 35 and 45. i can connect but lose the signal regularly. in an average hour, i have to reconnect 4 times. is this normal? is it just a matter of the signal strength being too low? or does it have something to do with the atheros driver or linux in general? could it also be my hardware? thanks for your input in advance, dominic -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 21:08:07 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:08:07 -0400 Subject: amateur question about wlan Message-ID: <46EC49B7.3040903@rogers.com> Some home routers have the ability to broadcast in "Mixed Mode" which means that they transmit in 'B' and 'G' simultaneously. I've found that linux based computers can have problems establishing / maintaining a connection with routers using the "Mixed Mode" setting. Check the router and make sure that it's set to use only 'B' or 'G'. Also while you are configuring the router set it to use another channel a couple of steps up or down from the default (usually #6). This will help eliminate interference from other wireless networks local to you. You could also be having problems if there is a wireless phone nearby that is using the 2.4 GHz band. In future it will help us out a lot if you also give us the specs, make, and model of the computer, the linux distro you are using and its version (eg MEPIS 6.5, Kubuntu 7.04) John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 21:43:42 2007 From: dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org (Dominic Bonfiglio) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:43:42 -0400 Subject: amateur question about wlan In-Reply-To: <46EC49B7.3040903-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EC49B7.3040903@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46EC520E.7040904@gmx.de> Dominic Bonfiglio wrote: > hello, > > i am running an atheros madwifi driver on an ibm t42p with a kde 10.2 > os. i've noticed that, compared to other pcs, my system has a difficult > time connecting (or staying connected) to wireless networks. for > example, i currently live in a house with a wlan system (and wpa > security). from my room, the signal strength averages between 35 and 45. > i can connect but lose the signal regularly. in an average hour, i have > to reconnect 4 times. is this normal? is it just a matter of the signal > strength being too low? or does it have something to do with the atheros > driver or linux in general? could it also be my hardware? > > thanks for your input in advance, > > dominic John McGregor wrote: > Some home routers have the ability to broadcast in "Mixed Mode" which > means that they transmit in 'B' and 'G' simultaneously. I've found that > linux based computers can have problems establishing / maintaining a > connection with routers using the "Mixed Mode" setting. Check the router > and make sure that it's set to use only 'B' or 'G'. Also while you are > configuring the router set it to use another channel a couple of steps > up or down from the default (usually #6). This will help eliminate > interference from other wireless networks local to you. > You could also be having problems if there is a wireless phone nearby > that is using the 2.4 GHz band. > > In future it will help us out a lot if you also give us the specs, make, > and model of the computer, the linux distro you are using and its > version (eg MEPIS 6.5, Kubuntu 7.04) > > John > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > thanks. though i provided my specs in the first line of my email. i will try out john's suggestions soon. before i do, however, another question: generally, how low can a signal's strength be and still be reliable? thanks, dominic -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 22:19:52 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:19:52 -0400 Subject: amateur question about wlan Message-ID: <46EC5A88.6020200@rogers.com> > > thanks. though i provided my specs in the first line of my email. > kde 10.2 The problem I have with this is that KDE is a desktop environment and its latest stable release is 3.5.7. Since it will run on unix variants like BSD and many Linux distributions, we need to know the name and version of the Linux distribution you have installed because there may be bugs in the default Madwifi package that you are using. Without the name and version we can't give you specific advise and / or work arounds. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 22:33:38 2007 From: dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org (Dominic Bonfiglio) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:33:38 -0400 Subject: amateur question about wlan In-Reply-To: <46EC5A88.6020200-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EC5A88.6020200@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46EC5DC2.3020901@gmx.de> John McGregor wrote: >> thanks. though i provided my specs in the first line of my email. >> kde 10.2 >> > The problem I have with this is that KDE is a desktop environment and > its latest stable release is 3.5.7. Since it will run on unix variants > like BSD and many Linux distributions, we need to know the name and > version of the Linux distribution you have installed because there may > be bugs in the default Madwifi package that you are using. Without the > name and version we can't give you specific advise and / or work arounds. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > sorry: what i meant was kde 3.5.5 and suse 10.2. my madwifi version is 0.9.2.32 at i586 thanks, d. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 16 01:04:07 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:04:07 -0400 Subject: User Friendly Message-ID: <46EC8107.4000201@rogers.com> http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/07sep/xuf010715.gif -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 16 01:20:23 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:20:23 -0400 Subject: User Friendly In-Reply-To: <46EC8107.4000201-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EC8107.4000201@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070915212023.406c0427@node1.freeyourmachine.org> James Knott wrote: > http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/07sep/xuf010715.gif I've heard many versions of that joke many times, but it still makes me laugh. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: I get a good vibe from this place. Nice long dinner table, quiet well-behaved spiders, graveyards adjacent.... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 16 02:14:25 2007 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:14:25 -0400 Subject: User Friendly In-Reply-To: <46EC8107.4000201-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EC8107.4000201@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070915221425.5e194338.gstrom@teksavvy.com> On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:04:07 -0400 James Knott wrote: > > http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/07sep/xuf010715.gif > > -- Based on the problems Vista users have told me they're having (hardware issues, apps that don't work), I though "reduced functionality" was a feature. -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 15 02:03:16 2007 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:03:16 -0400 Subject: Help with F7 Kernel Panics Message-ID: <46EB3D64.9090306@alteeve.com> I have Fedora 7 installed on a computer where the original board died, a new board was installed, but the drives are partitioned as before. When I first installed F7 over the FC6 that was there, it changed the hda drive to a sdb drive. The sda drive is the sata that was second to the hd drives before. However in doing this, it left the Dos partitions pointing to an a drive rather than the b drive they were now associated with. I've manually fixed this in the fstab, but when I tried to make a label for them in the mtab, it got over ridden... Not sure that is the cause of the current issue, just background. Anyway, The 2.6.21 kernel F7 installed with works fine. However both 2.6.22 kernels that installed through update later die/panic shortly after boot Any help with this would be appreciated. Please no Move to Dist-X. I'll entertain that when I have a fresh computer to mess with. Thanks, Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 16 02:22:33 2007 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 16 03:49:34 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <46EBEC0F.40800-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Chris Aitken wrote: > Should I worry that /dev/hdb1 (the partition I'm trying to mount) has a Start > and End of 1, and that System is Empty?: Yeah, I would. The output of fdisk is the canonical info appearing in the partition table. The partition table records only a zero length partition on /dev/hdb. You still have options... > [root at p733 chris]# /sbin/fdisk -l [hda snipped] > Disk /dev/sdb: 10.0 GB, 10005037056 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1216 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sdb1 * 1 1 0 0 Empty > Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. > [root at p733 chris]# If you did indeed see a working hdb1 at some point in the past then it looks to me like the parittion table has been altered or has become corrupt since you last accessed the drive. Tools exist to attempt to find lost partitions. Warning: These tools can do irreparable damage to your data. They can also recover your data. Quite a few tools are available. Some OSS Linux based tools include gpart & testdisk. Both of these utils are on Knoppix I believe. When trying to recover really important data it makes sense to dd an image of the disk to a safe place before beginning the recovery attempt as this gives you a safety net. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 16 03:52:09 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Robert Brockway wrote: > If you did indeed see a working hdb1 at some point in the past then it > looks Sorry, I should be asleep - I meant to write sd? in my post and wrote hd? instead. Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-G8usDCtqe957Ar2qsurDTA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 16 05:54:24 2007 From: tlug-G8usDCtqe957Ar2qsurDTA at public.gmane.org (Allen Taylor) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:54:24 -0400 Subject: OT: Compaq Proliant 2500 Servers - Any Value? In-Reply-To: <20070914185204.GH5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914181413.GA31259@thecat.localnet> <20070914185204.GH5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070916055424.GA32529@thecat.localnet> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 02:52:04PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 02:14:14PM -0400, Allen Taylor wrote: > > Off topic but someone might be interested (and I did use a Slack disk > > for testing!): > > . . . > > Compaq Proliant 2500 (Qty: 9) > > . . . > > > Well they are just old x86 machines, and while machines capable of SMP > were interesting some years ago, today anyone can get a multi core > machine we a few hundred dollars that is 10 times faster and uses less > power and has 8 to 16 times the ram. This is why I don't collect old > x86 systems at all, only interesting stuff. :) > > You could save the CPUs and ram since there may be people that would > find that stuff useful as spare parts, although not very many systems > ever ran buffered ecc edo dimms. Yeah, 4 years ago I would have loved to have one to play with myself and 7 years ago I did have one under my desk at a client for a MS SQLServer project. Now my old Thinkpad has more horse power. As I said, this was a "just in case someone wants to play" situation. Now a PDP-11 would bring back old memories . . . ! Allen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 16 11:55:20 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:55:20 -0400 Subject: SCO files Chapter 11 bankruptcy Message-ID: <46ED19A8.2060903@rogers.com> Gotta love this one. ;-) "Seeks court protection from its own lawsuits" http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=42372 -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 16 12:25:21 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:25:21 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46ED20B1.7090702@chrisaitken.net> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Should I worry that /dev/hdb1 (the partition I'm trying to mount) has a > Start >> and End of 1, and that System is Empty?: > > Yeah, I would. The output of fdisk is the canonical info appearing in > the > partition table. The partition table records only a zero length > partition on /dev/hdb. You still have options... > >> [root at p733 chris]# /sbin/fdisk -l > > [hda snipped] > >> Disk /dev/sdb: 10.0 GB, 10005037056 bytes >> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1216 cylinders >> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes >> >> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System >> /dev/sdb1 * 1 1 0 0 Empty >> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. >> [root at p733 chris]# > > If you did indeed see a working hdb1 at some point in the past then it > looks to me like the parittion table has been altered or has become > corrupt since you last accessed the drive. > > Tools exist to attempt to find lost partitions. Warning: These tools can > do irreparable damage to your data. They can also recover your data. > Quite a few tools are available. Some OSS Linux based tools include > gpart > & testdisk. Both of these utils are on Knoppix I believe. > > When trying to recover really important data it makes sense to dd an > image of the disk to a safe place before beginning the recovery > attempt as this gives you a safety net. I guess the fedora 7 installation ignored my request to leave that drive alone... Chris > > Cheers, > > Rob > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 16 12:51:04 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SCO files Chapter 11 bankruptcy In-Reply-To: <46ED19A8.2060903-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46ED19A8.2060903@rogers.com> Message-ID: <513380.31561.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- James Knott wrote: > Gotta love this one. ;-) > > "Seeks court protection from its own lawsuits" > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=42372 Or there is this one, where the content of the story is very straight forward, but the two graphics included are funny: http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20070914/sco-chapter-11/ Colin McGregor > -- > Use OpenOffice.org > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 16 13:47:33 2007 From: phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org (phil) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:47:33 -0400 Subject: SCO files Chapter 11 bankruptcy In-Reply-To: <513380.31561.qm-fjYszm/wOJWB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <513380.31561.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sep 16, 2007, at 8:51 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > --- James Knott wrote: >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=42372 > > http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20070914/sco-chapter-11/ The claim that this move allows them to proceed with "business as usual" is the funniest part of all. I suspect that the people saying it intend something different from many others will hear. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 16 18:10:47 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Networking Troubles In-Reply-To: <20070914140623.GA5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070914021030.GA19625@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <46e9f2f8.0580400a.6c64.24be@mx.google.com> <20070914034454.GA20238@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <87vead39e2.fsf@azurservers.com> <20070914131731.BF9D583836@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20070914140623.GA5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 09:17:31AM -0400, Dave Mason wrote: | > This is a question about my own setup, but in the same flow.... | > | > bash# cat /etc/resolv.conf | > search in.mason-rose.ca | > nameserver 127.0.0.1 | > nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (the current IP address from the router, provided by DHCP) | > This works passably, but is kindof slow. And dig +trace doesn't work. Try adding +tcp at the end. That way it will use TCP instead of UDP. For some firewalls that works better. It also works better for really large responses that would require fragmentation (unlikely for most folks, but likely for me). | > If I reverse the nameservers, dig +trace works for some sites. If I | > remove the router nameserver it doesn't work, even though I have named | > running on the linux box. See the +[no]search option in dig. Without it, dig is using only the first entry. I think that +trace only uses the nameserver specified in resolv.conf to get the root servers. If it cannot even get that, things are grim. | > I have a fairly tight firewall, is there | > something I should have enabled besides 80, 22, 25 in order to have | > named work properly? | | Well port 53 (tcp and udp) of course, since that is what DNS uses. BIND sends queries out on other ports unless your named.conf has options like: query-source address * port 53; transfer-source * port 53; notify-source * port 53; -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 16 20:07:21 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:07:21 +0000 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <46ED20B1.7090702-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> <46ED20B1.7090702@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709161307k6a215fc3y3d6ae87d6330d89d@mail.gmail.com> Possibly, or it could just be that the drive packed it in. I've dealt with numerous drives at work there the drive just decided to die on a whim, or sometimes with the partition table becoming corrupted. But, this is fdisk, which I have known to have some very quirky results when it comes to partitions defined under other partitioners (particularly windows partitions). Try "cfdisk /dev/sdb" Maybe you'll have more luck. Also, just to double-check, you don't have any card-readers etc installed on the machine do you? If you did, sdb might actually be a cardreader drive (and depending on the device, if there's no card they can also give weird partition info). On 9/16/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > Robert Brockway wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Chris Aitken wrote: > > > >> Should I worry that /dev/hdb1 (the partition I'm trying to mount) has a > > Start > >> and End of 1, and that System is Empty?: > > > > Yeah, I would. The output of fdisk is the canonical info appearing in > > the > > partition table. The partition table records only a zero length > > partition on /dev/hdb. You still have options... > > > >> [root at p733 chris]# /sbin/fdisk -l > > > > [hda snipped] > > > >> Disk /dev/sdb: 10.0 GB, 10005037056 bytes > >> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1216 cylinders > >> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > >> > >> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > >> /dev/sdb1 * 1 1 0 0 Empty > >> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. > >> [root at p733 chris]# > > > > If you did indeed see a working hdb1 at some point in the past then it > > looks to me like the parittion table has been altered or has become > > corrupt since you last accessed the drive. > > > > Tools exist to attempt to find lost partitions. Warning: These tools can > > do irreparable damage to your data. They can also recover your data. > > Quite a few tools are available. Some OSS Linux based tools include > > gpart > > & testdisk. Both of these utils are on Knoppix I believe. > > > > When trying to recover really important data it makes sense to dd an > > image of the disk to a safe place before beginning the recovery > > attempt as this gives you a safety net. > I guess the fedora 7 installation ignored my request to leave that drive > alone... > > Chris > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rob > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 16 21:50:24 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <46ED20B1.7090702-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> <46ED20B1.7090702@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Sep 2007, Chris Aitken wrote: > I guess the fedora 7 installation ignored my request to leave that drive > alone... I agree with Tyler. It is quite unlikely that an installer would over-write the partition table of a disk you asked it not to touch or create a zero length partition without asking. Such a serious bug would get fixed quickly and would be big news (unless the circumstances in which is occured were really obscure). More likely the partition table became corrupt for some other reason. I've seen bad connections between the controller and the disk destroy partition tables. The partition table can collapse due to problems with the disk too. The good news is that if the data is still there and it is only the partition table which is bad the recovery tools I mentioned earlier stand a decent chance of recovering data for you. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 12:40:09 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:40:09 -0400 Subject: Sept 11th Meeting, What happened? In-Reply-To: References: <155676.62751.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070912001409.3bd0e216@david.chipman> <313ea3dd0709112158j1112cf61sfe1d6d2411064248@mail.gmail.com> <20070912124326.GK5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070917124009.GJ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 02:50:46AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > To be a member of the organization "GTALUG", membership is $20. If > you join up, you can vote for Directors at the Annual General Meeting. > The AGM is going to be the first portion of the next regular meeting. > > You certainly don't have to be a member to attend the meetings. In > fact, the meetings have existed far longer than the formal > organization. Oh that $20. I still haven't figured out what that is supposed to accomplish, or why it was made (in my opinion) much too high for the type of club. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 13:56:18 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Edwina Blanchard) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:56:18 -0500 Subject: Best repl1ca w4tches from IWC at Prest1ge Repl1cas Message-ID: With hundreds of models to choose from, rock bottom prices and the best customer service in the whole wide web, Prest1ge Repl1cas has become the standard by which repl1ca w4tches stores are measured. It??s no wonder every day hundreds of new visitors flock to this website in search of the ultimate (yet affordable) gift: a repl1ca Bre1tling w4tch. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 13:17:08 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:17:08 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <46EBEAE5.3010801-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709141531hfcca80dn98c242034798311e@mail.gmail.com> <46EBEAE5.3010801@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070917131708.GK5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 10:23:33AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > Yeah, I noticed they are named sda, sdb, though I don't have SATA drives > - they are IDE. I guess fedora 7 just names themas if they are SATA? The kernel has libata support for both SATA and PATA now, so many systems are moving over, which means everything is treated as if it is scsi based. Since most interfaces are scsi command protocol based, that isn't really that far fetched (only really PATA hard disks aren't scsi commands, while PATA optical drives, tape drives, etc (anything using ATAPI) is really scsi wrapped up in IDE commands). USB storage, firewire, fibrechannel, and many others are scsi command too using various transport wrappers. Just making things nice and consistent. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 13:19:01 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:19:01 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <46EBEC0F.40800-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070917131901.GL5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 10:28:31AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > Should I worry that /dev/hdb1 (the partition I'm trying to mount) has a > Start and End of 1, and that System is Empty?: Yes. That looks VERY wrong. Maybe gpart can search for the real partitions and give you what the partition table should be. Or maybe the disk is wrong a machine using EFI partitions, or microsoft's dynamic volumes. > [root at p733 chris]# /sbin/fdisk -l > > Disk /dev/sda: 20.5 GB, 20547841536 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2498 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sda1 * 1 608 4876168+ b W95 FAT32 > Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. > /dev/sda2 609 620 96390 83 Linux > /dev/sda3 621 2498 15085035 8e Linux LVM > > Disk /dev/sdb: 10.0 GB, 10005037056 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1216 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sdb1 * 1 1 0 0 Empty > Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. > [root at p733 chris]# What about 'cat /proc/partitions'? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 13:56:34 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:56:34 -0400 Subject: Advice for starting a new project? Message-ID: <46ee8789.0d1f400a.183a.4a88@mx.google.com> Hey everyone, I've had an idea in my head (and on paper, er. notepad) for about a year now for what could turn into an open source project. Truth be told, I know the shape of what I want to make, but I have no idea how to actually do it: FOSS, start a small company and build it proprietary, design the architecture and then license it, or look at academic forums. I'm leaning towards FOSS because I think it'll fit the project as well as my personal beliefs and values, but I have no idea what it takes to go down that road. So I thought I'd check here and see if anyone has tried this road and can give any advice, or know of someone I should talk with. I'm thinking of heading to Waterloo to chat with Roger Dingledine, since the project has similarities to his. Anyone in the Toronto area who has started or is running a FOSS project? BTW: I'd love nothing better than to put out all of the details on the idea, but at this point the idea of "intellectual property" scares the crap out of me. What if some unscrupulous company takes the idea, makes a prototype, and patents it? So, for the moment I won't talk details (and in return I'm not asking for any kind of commitments from anyone), but any and all advice would be appreciated. Thanks! -kms Kareem Shehata kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 14:15:55 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:15:55 -0400 Subject: Advice for starting a new project? Message-ID: <46ee8c11.0c39400a.52f1.6a64@mx.google.com> Doh. Forgot to turn off HTML emails. Sorry about that. ----- Hey everyone, I?ve had an idea in my head (and on paper, er notepad) for about a year now for what could turn into an open source project. ?Truth be told, I know the shape of what I want to make, but I have no idea how to actually do it: FOSS, start a small company and build it proprietary, design the architecture and then license it, or look at academic forums. ?I?m leaning towards FOSS because I think it?ll fit the project as well as my personal beliefs and values, but I have no idea what it takes to go down that road. ?So I thought I?d check here and see if anyone has tried this road and can give any advice, or know of someone I should talk with. ?I?m thinking of heading to Waterloo to chat with Roger Dingledine, since the project has similarities to his. ?Anyone in the Toronto area who has started or is running a FOSS project? BTW: I?d love nothing better than to put out all of the details on the idea, but at this point the idea of ?intellectual property? scares the crap out of me. ?What if some unscrupulous company takes the idea, makes a prototype, and patents it? ?So, for the moment I won?t talk details (and in return I?m not asking for any kind of commitments from anyone), but any and all advice would be appreciated. Thanks! -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 14:17:02 2007 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:17:02 -0400 Subject: Advice for starting a new project? In-Reply-To: <46ee8789.0d1f400a.183a.4a88-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46ee8789.0d1f400a.183a.4a88@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On 9/17/07, Kareem Shehata wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > > > I've had an idea in my head (and on paper, er? notepad) for about a year > now for what could turn into an open source project. Truth be told, I know > the shape of what I want to make, but I have no idea how to actually do it: > FOSS, start a small company and build it proprietary, design the > architecture and then license it, or look at academic forums. I'm leaning > towards FOSS because I think it'll fit the project as well as my personal > beliefs and values, but I have no idea what it takes to go down that road. > So I thought I'd check here and see if anyone has tried this road and can > give any advice, or know of someone I should talk with. I'm thinking of > heading to Waterloo to chat with Roger Dingledine, since the project has > similarities to his. Anyone in the Toronto area who has started or is > running a FOSS project? > > > > BTW: I'd love nothing better than to put out all of the details on the > idea, but at this point the idea of "intellectual property" scares the crap > out of me. What if some unscrupulous company takes the idea, makes a > prototype, and patents it? So, for the moment I won't talk details (and in > return I'm not asking for any kind of commitments from anyone), but any and > all advice would be appreciated. > It sounds like you have two questions, 1) How do I start my project, and 2) How do I make money from it? As far as 1) goes, pare the original idea down to the least amount of functionality that makes sense, and build that. There's no point in starting to build a Cadillac when a pickup truck will do the job -- for now. Once you have something out there, you add all of the extra stuff that you imagined when you started doing the design. Keep it modular; use version control; and develop using tests. For 2), you can either make your code proprietary and sell just the binary, or you can make it open source, and sell configuration, development and support services. Keep in mind that even if you release something as FOSS, you can also retain the copyright. And the advantage of going open source is that other developers might be interested in developing and supporting your code. That spreads the load, and means a higher profile and more market coverage for your package. Good luck! -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 14:17:19 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:17:19 -0400 Subject: Processors looking for a good home Message-ID: <46ee8c66.1139400a.29c1.4f96@mx.google.com> Plain text again. ----- Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but wanted to give back in a small way to this list.? I have two processors that I have no current use for, and was thinking of selling. ?If you can find a good use for them, they?re yours. 1) Athlon XP 2500+ and heatsink 2) Celeron D 2.0GHz (?) Socket 478, no heat sink Cheers, -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 14:13:50 2007 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:13:50 -0400 Subject: Advice for starting a new project? In-Reply-To: <46ee8789.0d1f400a.183a.4a88-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46ee8789.0d1f400a.183a.4a88@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4386c5b20709170713i142fa45dq338f68e131c83aef@mail.gmail.com> Hi Kareem, > I'm leaning > towards FOSS because I think it'll fit the project as well as my personal > beliefs and values, but I have no idea what it takes to go down that road. If you have the skills to build it yourself, then begin to do so. Most FOSS projects are begun by someone with a vision and the know-how to get it done. If instead you need help from others, then soliciting help from this list would be a great place to start. > BTW: I'd love nothing better than to put out all of the details on the idea, > but at this point the idea of "intellectual property" scares the crap out of > me. What if some unscrupulous company takes the idea, makes a prototype, > and patents it? I think posting a detailed outline of your idea on a public mailing list would constitute prior art in any trademark dispute. However, if there's one thing I've learned, it's that ideas are cheap. Instead of worrying about whether someone will steal your idea, you should do the real work and actually execute on it. -- Aaron Vegh, Principal Innoveghtive Inc. P: (647) 477-2690 C: (905) 924-1220 www.innoveghtive.com www.website-in-a-day.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 14:59:53 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:59:53 -0400 Subject: Processors looking for a good home In-Reply-To: <46ee89c6.0d2b400a.7ace.ffff97ee-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46ee89c6.0d2b400a.7ace.ffff97ee@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20070917145953.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 10:06:08AM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: > Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but wanted to give back in > a small way to this list. I have two processors that I have no current use > for, and was thinking of selling. If you can find a good use for them, > they're yours. > > 1) Athlon XP 2500+ and heatsink That was a lovely CPU. Too bad the mainboard in my machine is 100MHz FSB only, so I am stuck with my 700. :) Ny other machine has a 2400XP-M in it, which is actually really nifty, since it is a mobile cpu and uses less power and is unlocked. I run it at 9x200MHz which is close to the 13.5x133 that it was spec'd to run at. Both the 2400XP-M and the 2500XP are barton core which was the last K7 design and by far the best. > 2) Celeron D 2.0GHz (?) Socket 478, no heat sink Eww. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 15:01:00 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:01:00 -0400 Subject: Advice for starting a new project? In-Reply-To: <46ee8c11.0c39400a.52f1.6a64-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46ee8c11.0c39400a.52f1.6a64@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <46EE96AC.70606@netdirect.ca> Kareem Shehata wrote: > I?ve had an idea in my head (and on paper, er? notepad) for about a year now > for what could turn into an open source project. Truth be told, I know the > shape of what I want to make, but I have no idea how to actually do it: > FOSS, start a small company and build it proprietary, design the > architecture and then license it, or look at academic forums. I?m leaning > towards FOSS because I think it?ll fit the project as well as my personal > beliefs and values, but I have no idea what it takes to go down that road. > So I thought I?d check here and see if anyone has tried this road and can > give any advice, or know of someone I should talk with. I?m thinking of > heading to Waterloo to chat with Roger Dingledine, since the project has > similarities to his. Anyone in the Toronto area who has started or is > running a FOSS project? > > BTW: I?d love nothing better than to put out all of the details on the idea, > but at this point the idea of ?intellectual property? scares the crap out of > me. What if some unscrupulous company takes the idea, makes a prototype, > and patents it? So, for the moment I won?t talk details (and in return I?m > not asking for any kind of commitments from anyone), but any and all advice > would be appreciated. > We have started small open source projects and here is what we've found. 1. Expect to do a lot of the development yourself. It may take months or years to build a community around your project. Projects won't advertise themselves, so you have to look at this as a conventional product in the beginning. You'll have to do most of the development yourself, or find others with the same need and convince them to help out right off the start. The better you advertise, the faster you'll build a community and gain testers, users, documenters, developers, supporters, etc. Expect it to take a while to get payback. 2. Use sourceforge or some other "community" site. It gives instant exposure and lowers your cost of supporting the project. 3. Release early and release often. There are way too many "stillborn" projects in sourceforge. Also projects that has a last modified date years old could easily be considered stale, a dead-end. 4. Pay attention to your developers and users. This may not matter to you but imagine the feeling if someone forks your project and it becomes more successful than yours (Mambo - Joomal, NCSA - Apache http.) This doesn't mean doing everything they say, it means convincing them that your decision (either for or against their recommendation) is the right thing to do. 5. If you intend to close source your project (like MySQL, Asterisk) you'll have to obtain waivers from your developers that essentially give all copyright to you. This will turn away some or many potential developers and put more of the development burden on yourself. You will also have to be careful about which libraries you use and which code you use. 6. Use typical programming management like coding styles and code review. Don't be afraid to manage your developers. There's nothing worse than bad programming. 7. Make the easiest but useful piece first. This will help give you value, in using the product, but it will also give potential developers something useful to build on and it will help to create a community. 8. Somewhere down the line consider building a call-home feature into the product. It would have to be useful like an auto-update. This will be the only way you can really gauge how large your user base it. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 15:04:48 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:04:48 -0400 Subject: Processors looking for a good home In-Reply-To: <20070917145953.GM5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070917145953.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46ee9787.1239400a.2a21.ffff9dcf@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Lennart > Sorensen > Sent: Monday 17 September 2007 11:00 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Processors looking for a good home > > > 1) Athlon XP 2500+ and heatsink > > That was a lovely CPU. Too bad the mainboard in my machine is 100MHz > FSB only, so I am stuck with my 700. :) Ny other machine has a 2400XP-M > in it, which is actually really nifty, since it is a mobile cpu and uses > less power and is unlocked. I run it at 9x200MHz which is close to the > 13.5x133 that it was spec'd to run at. Both the 2400XP-M and the 2500XP > are barton core which was the last K7 design and by far the best. > > > 2) Celeron D 2.0GHz (?) Socket 478, no heat sink > > Eww. :) Agree on both counts. I loved the Athlon XP (and the motherboard it was on Asus A7N8X), but alas nothing lasts forever. I won't miss the Celeron, but figure it might find a use somewhere. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 15:15:21 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:15:21 -0700 Subject: Processors looking for a good home In-Reply-To: <46ee9787.1239400a.2a21.ffff9dcf-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070917145953.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46ee9787.1239400a.2a21.ffff9dcf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709170815q714e0564o5927bbd01a27cc3f@mail.gmail.com> One thing I used to hate about my Athlon XP (2500) was that the thing was terrible for heat. I still have it, and it still runs, but it requires a noisy "volcano" fan to keep cool. I think it's one of the earlier revisions though, since latter chips were supposed to be cooler. On 9/17/07, Kareem Shehata wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Lennart > > Sorensen > > Sent: Monday 17 September 2007 11:00 > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Processors looking for a good home > > > > > 1) Athlon XP 2500+ and heatsink > > > > That was a lovely CPU. Too bad the mainboard in my machine is 100MHz > > FSB only, so I am stuck with my 700. :) Ny other machine has a 2400XP-M > > in it, which is actually really nifty, since it is a mobile cpu and uses > > less power and is unlocked. I run it at 9x200MHz which is close to the > > 13.5x133 that it was spec'd to run at. Both the 2400XP-M and the 2500XP > > are barton core which was the last K7 design and by far the best. > > > > > 2) Celeron D 2.0GHz (?) Socket 478, no heat sink > > > > Eww. :) > > Agree on both counts. I loved the Athlon XP (and the motherboard it was on > Asus A7N8X), but alas nothing lasts forever. I won't miss the Celeron, but > figure it might find a use somewhere. > > -kms > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 15:20:59 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:20:59 -0400 Subject: Processors looking for a good home In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709170815q714e0564o5927bbd01a27cc3f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0709170815q714e0564o5927bbd01a27cc3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46ee9b51.0c39400a.52f1.77d8@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Tyler > Aviss > Sent: Monday 17 September 2007 11:15 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Processors looking for a good home > > One thing I used to hate about my Athlon XP (2500) was that the thing > was terrible for heat. I still have it, and it still runs, but it > requires a noisy "volcano" fan to keep cool. I think it's one of the > earlier revisions though, since latter chips were supposed to be > cooler. Hmmm... mine had a fairly simple heatsink on it, and ran for days and weeks at a time. It wasn't small, but not giant either and it did the job. In any case, they come as a pair. That said, I would love to build a silent computer one day. Even my tablet isn't quiet enough for me, so I'm not sure it's possible to build a decent PC that would be truly silent. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 15:26:26 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:26:26 -0700 Subject: Processors looking for a good home In-Reply-To: <46ee9b51.0c39400a.52f1.77d8-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0709170815q714e0564o5927bbd01a27cc3f@mail.gmail.com> <46ee9b51.0c39400a.52f1.77d8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709170826o1f659d11w6f71f369bdac6821@mail.gmail.com> How fast does it need to be? Perhaps you'd care to try a fanless via C7 CPU, DC-DC power supply with brick, and either booting from a large CF card or (if you want "quiet" but not quite "silent") a laptop hard drive. You can get Jetway boards with 1.2Ghz C7's for a decent price. I use the fan'ed variety for mini-servers since they're very low on power consumption for the always-on systems. On 9/17/07, Kareem Shehata wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Tyler > > Aviss > > Sent: Monday 17 September 2007 11:15 > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Processors looking for a good home > > > > One thing I used to hate about my Athlon XP (2500) was that the thing > > was terrible for heat. I still have it, and it still runs, but it > > requires a noisy "volcano" fan to keep cool. I think it's one of the > > earlier revisions though, since latter chips were supposed to be > > cooler. > > Hmmm... mine had a fairly simple heatsink on it, and ran for days and weeks > at a time. It wasn't small, but not giant either and it did the job. In > any case, they come as a pair. > > That said, I would love to build a silent computer one day. Even my tablet > isn't quiet enough for me, so I'm not sure it's possible to build a decent > PC that would be truly silent. > > -kms > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 15:31:11 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:31:11 -0400 Subject: Processors looking for a good home In-Reply-To: <46ee9b51.0c39400a.52f1.77d8-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46ee9b51.0c39400a.52f1.77d8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <46EE9DBF.6090007@telly.org> Kareem Shehata wrote: > That said, I would love to build a silent computer one day. Even my tablet > isn't quiet enough for me, so I'm not sure it's possible to build a decent > PC that would be truly silent. > A good resource for this is http://www.silentpcreview.com/ The main server in my office is in an Antec Sonata II case, housing two hard disks and an Athlon64 X2 3800+. It's quiet enough that it gets drowned out by air coming through the furnace vent in the room. Even right beside it I can barely hear the thing, and it's running reasonably cool. Still, that' s not truly silent. What _is_ "truly silent"? It's far from an obvious description, according to http://www.silentpcreview.com/article669-page1.html - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 15:32:51 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:32:51 -0400 Subject: Processors looking for a good home In-Reply-To: <46ee9787.1239400a.2a21.ffff9dcf-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070917145953.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46ee9787.1239400a.2a21.ffff9dcf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20070917153251.GN5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 11:04:48AM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: > Agree on both counts. I loved the Athlon XP (and the motherboard it was on > Asus A7N8X), but alas nothing lasts forever. I won't miss the Celeron, but > figure it might find a use somewhere. The A7N8X-E-DX was especially nice (that is what I run the 2400XP-M on). My farther runs the A7N8X-DX with an XP2500, and my work machine is an A7N8X-E-DX with an XP2800. Lovely board with a lovely CPU. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 15:34:38 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:34:38 -0400 Subject: Processors looking for a good home In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709170815q714e0564o5927bbd01a27cc3f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070917145953.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46ee9787.1239400a.2a21.ffff9dcf@mx.google.com> <3a97ef0709170815q714e0564o5927bbd01a27cc3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070917153438.GO5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 08:15:21AM -0700, Tyler Aviss wrote: > One thing I used to hate about my Athlon XP (2500) was that the thing > was terrible for heat. I still have it, and it still runs, but it > requires a noisy "volcano" fan to keep cool. I think it's one of the > earlier revisions though, since latter chips were supposed to be > cooler. I have never had heat problems on the barton XP2500. Stock fan keeps it at a nice temperature and makes essentially no noise. Same for the 2800. Oh and top posting is evil. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 15:38:16 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:38:16 -0400 Subject: Processors looking for a good home In-Reply-To: <46ee9b51.0c39400a.52f1.77d8-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0709170815q714e0564o5927bbd01a27cc3f@mail.gmail.com> <46ee9b51.0c39400a.52f1.77d8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20070917153816.GP5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 11:20:59AM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: > Hmmm... mine had a fairly simple heatsink on it, and ran for days and weeks > at a time. It wasn't small, but not giant either and it did the job. In > any case, they come as a pair. > > That said, I would love to build a silent computer one day. Even my tablet > isn't quiet enough for me, so I'm not sure it's possible to build a decent > PC that would be truly silent. How quiet does it have to be? Last time I fixed something on my sisters machine, I turned it on, waited a moment, and then looked down to make sure I had turned it on by checking the power light. Given it has 2 case fans and the fan in the power supply and on the cpu, and a pair of harddisks in raid1, it sure doesn't seem to want to make enough noise to actually be heard from a few feet away. You just have to be willing to pay a bit more for the case and power supply to get the right stuff. Oh and avoid high end graphics cards. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 15:42:10 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:42:10 -0400 Subject: Processors looking for a good home (OT) In-Reply-To: <20070917153438.GO5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070917153438.GO5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46eea048.0f2b400a.6e5c.7e56@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Lennart > Sorensen > Sent: Monday 17 September 2007 11:35 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Processors looking for a good home > > Oh and top posting is evil. :) I hear you, and I understand the complaints about HTML email... but at the same time there are two (at least!) sets of habits: 1. What gets used in most offices (top posting and html email, though I try and avoid some of the other stupid things most offices do) 2. What gets used in the list worl (properly composing an email in plain text) Both have their pros & cons, and each has their place. Where I find it troublesome is switching between them! -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 15:58:00 2007 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:58:00 -0400 Subject: Advice for starting a new project? In-Reply-To: References: <46ee8789.0d1f400a.183a.4a88@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20070917155800.CE074854F1@sarg.ryerson.ca> I'll just mention one other business model: make a FOSS tool that connects to a proprietary service. Of course if the proprietary part is *too* easy to replicate you run the risk of jump-starting competitors, but depending on your philosophy you may even (as I do) see that as a bonus. ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 16:40:04 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:40:04 -0700 Subject: Audacious VS XMMS Message-ID: <3a97ef0709170940t2e0575b1re8df8c06b957cb28@mail.gmail.com> Just an FYI from the Linux Open-Source-Software realm. Lately, I've been having some issues with the XMMS audio software in terms of ALSA mixing. Most software using the newer ALSA interfaces seems to allow for built-in mixing, meaning that you can be running more program that uses audio (in my case, skype tends to otherwise tie up the soundcard). XMMS (or at least the version I've found on Debian) uses an older interface, which means it doesn't always play audio if anything else is using the soundcard (including your window manager, KDE, etc). Audacious is based upon much the same base as XMMS, and while lacking some features has a bit of a nicer/simpler configuration interface, pretty much the same front-end interface, and it can use winamp 2.x skins. For those that like XMMS-type audio programs, but are frustrated with some of the annoyances of that particular program, you might want to try audacious (it's available on Debian/etch). Cheers, Tyler -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 16:46:54 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:46:54 -0400 Subject: Processors looking for a good home (OT) In-Reply-To: <46eea048.0f2b400a.6e5c.7e56-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070917153438.GO5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46eea048.0f2b400a.6e5c.7e56@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20070917164654.GQ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 11:42:10AM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: > I hear you, and I understand the complaints about HTML email... but at the > same time there are two (at least!) sets of habits: At least the HTML mail had a plain text version too, which is all I saw in mutt. :) > 1. What gets used in most offices (top posting and html email, though I try > and avoid some of the other stupid things most offices do) I don't top post in the office (even though the majority of people seem to) in general. Of course sometimes deleting the 500 pages of quotes when replying gets a bit tedious. > 2. What gets used in the list worl (properly composing an email in plain > text) > > Both have their pros & cons, and each has their place. Where I find it > troublesome is switching between them! The few advantages people have claimed for top posting so far have never to me been advantages at all. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 16:48:05 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:48:05 -0400 Subject: Audacious VS XMMS In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709170940t2e0575b1re8df8c06b957cb28-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0709170940t2e0575b1re8df8c06b957cb28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070917164805.GR5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 09:40:04AM -0700, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Just an FYI from the Linux Open-Source-Software realm. Lately, I've > been having some issues with the XMMS audio software in terms of ALSA > mixing. Most software using the newer ALSA interfaces seems to allow > for built-in mixing, meaning that you can be running more program that > uses audio (in my case, skype tends to otherwise tie up the > soundcard). > > XMMS (or at least the version I've found on Debian) uses an older > interface, which means it doesn't always play audio if anything else > is using the soundcard (including your window manager, KDE, etc). > Audacious is based upon much the same base as XMMS, and while lacking > some features has a bit of a nicer/simpler configuration interface, > pretty much the same front-end interface, and it can use winamp 2.x > skins. > > For those that like XMMS-type audio programs, but are frustrated with > some of the annoyances of that particular program, you might want to > try audacious (it's available on Debian/etch). Applications using the alsa interface get software mixing (or hardware mixing if supported). Applications using the old OSS interface instead do not get to use software mixing (they still get hardware mixing if supported though). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 16:48:06 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Processors looking for a good home In-Reply-To: <46ee9b51.0c39400a.52f1.77d8-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46ee9b51.0c39400a.52f1.77d8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Kareem Shehata wrote: > That said, I would love to build a silent computer one day. Even my tablet > isn't quiet enough for me, so I'm not sure it's possible to build a decent > PC that would be truly silent. Just run a thin client on your desk and put the noisy computers in a place where you don't care, like the basement. Cheaper than the expense of making a powerful but silent computer and gives great (even better performance) than a regularl workstation. I've run a thin client on my desk for 10+ years. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 16:53:29 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:53:29 -0400 Subject: Processors looking for a good home In-Reply-To: References: <46ee9b51.0c39400a.52f1.77d8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20070917165329.GS5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 12:48:06PM -0400, Robert Brockway wrote: > Just run a thin client on your desk and put the noisy computers in a place > where you don't care, like the basement. Cheaper than the expense of > making a powerful but silent computer and gives great (even better > performance) than a regularl workstation. I've run a thin client on my > desk for 10+ years. Great, unless you need graphics performance. Of course graphics cards are often loud, so what can you do. Oh yeah, you get get a better case to dampen the sound. :) For regular office work or programming, sure put the cpu somewhere else (works for me). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 17:03:08 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Advice for starting a new project? In-Reply-To: References: <46ee8789.0d1f400a.183a.4a88@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Alex Beamish wrote: > For 2), you can either make your code proprietary and sell just the binary, > or you can make it open source, and sell configuration, development and > support services. Keep in mind that even if you release something as FOSS, > you can also retain the copyright. Or you could "dual licence" and do both. IANAL but this seems more complicated from a legal perspective. I'd get a lawyer before doing this but it is an option. MySQL and other companies have been using this approach successfully for years. > And the advantage of going open source is that other developers might be > interested in developing and supporting your code. That spreads the load, > and means a higher profile and more market coverage for your package. Exactly. There are so many commercially successful OSS projects that I hope no one disputes the viability of this approach anymore. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 17:09:13 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:09:13 -0700 Subject: Audacious VS XMMS In-Reply-To: <20070917164805.GR5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0709170940t2e0575b1re8df8c06b957cb28@mail.gmail.com> <20070917164805.GR5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709171009idb60abaxbeab16521ee520dd@mail.gmail.com> I was actually using the ALSA driver for XMMS, but it might be that it uses some old OSS'ish hooks. Actually, for awhile I was using alsa+esound until ALSA got better mixing support, but no more need for that now thankfully. On 9/17/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 09:40:04AM -0700, Tyler Aviss wrote: > > Just an FYI from the Linux Open-Source-Software realm. Lately, I've > > been having some issues with the XMMS audio software in terms of ALSA > > mixing. Most software using the newer ALSA interfaces seems to allow > > for built-in mixing, meaning that you can be running more program that > > uses audio (in my case, skype tends to otherwise tie up the > > soundcard). > > > > XMMS (or at least the version I've found on Debian) uses an older > > interface, which means it doesn't always play audio if anything else > > is using the soundcard (including your window manager, KDE, etc). > > Audacious is based upon much the same base as XMMS, and while lacking > > some features has a bit of a nicer/simpler configuration interface, > > pretty much the same front-end interface, and it can use winamp 2.x > > skins. > > > > For those that like XMMS-type audio programs, but are frustrated with > > some of the annoyances of that particular program, you might want to > > try audacious (it's available on Debian/etch). > > Applications using the alsa interface get software mixing (or hardware > mixing if supported). Applications using the old OSS interface instead > do not get to use software mixing (they still get hardware mixing if > supported though). > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 17:09:54 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:09:54 -0400 Subject: Processors looking for a good home (OT) In-Reply-To: <46eea048.0f2b400a.6e5c.7e56-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46eea048.0f2b400a.6e5c.7e56@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <46EEB4E2.5040600@ve3syb.ca> Kareem Shehata wrote: > 1. What gets used in most offices (top posting and html email, though I try > and avoid some of the other stupid things most offices do) > > 2. What gets used in the list worl (properly composing an email in plain > text) > > Both have their pros & cons, and each has their place. Where I find it > troublesome is switching between them! You don't really need to switch between the two. Use an e-mail reader that can display any HTML messages you may receive. For sending, always send as plain text. You aren't very likely to get people complaining they can't read your plain text messages. :-) -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 17:11:00 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Processors looking for a good home In-Reply-To: <20070917165329.GS5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46ee9b51.0c39400a.52f1.77d8@mx.google.com> <20070917165329.GS5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 12:48:06PM -0400, Robert Brockway wrote: >> Just run a thin client on your desk and put the noisy computers in a place >> where you don't care, like the basement. Cheaper than the expense of >> making a powerful but silent computer and gives great (even better >> performance) than a regularl workstation. I've run a thin client on my >> desk for 10+ years. > > Great, unless you need graphics performance. Of course graphics cards > are often loud, so what can you do. Oh yeah, you get get a better case > to dampen the sound. :) For regular office work or programming, sure > put the cpu somewhere else (works for me). I've streamed by TV tuner card to the thin client over two cheap 100MB/s switches. Worked as well as the console. Then I sent it over ssh and it still worked nearly as well as the console of the server (400MHz Epia cpu on the thin client). I've also played GLTron to a thin client which was actually a Pentium-266 with 64MB of ram (with some fancy features off, but that is a function of the vid card on the thin client). I've also played other high intensity games to a thin client. So while the thin client may constrain some graphically intensive apps I'm yet to run across them. Some people have suggested that CAD may not work well to a thin client but I've never tried this. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 17:15:18 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:15:18 -0700 Subject: Processors looking for a good home In-Reply-To: <20070917165329.GS5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46ee9b51.0c39400a.52f1.77d8@mx.google.com> <20070917165329.GS5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709171015w1b378276nd073d7a24e3d025@mail.gmail.com> Try a thick-client then? Our not-quite-thin-clients at work have NVidia chipsets on the motherboard and nicely accelerated graphics. Heck, they even run beryl if you're into that sort of thing. They're still driveless though, so no hard-disk hum. Fans you'll still need if you're making use of the local CPU and not running apps remotely (hence thick rather than thin), but you can still use of the storage and oft-times power on one machine while running a smaller one elsewhere. My current project is to get some of my little boxen up with a wifi card and a kernel+initrd that will support it stuffed onto a flash card (IDE-CF adaptor) so that I can run the client with fanless and driveless off both PXE and wifi. Not sure yet about performance on wifi, but I guess I'll find out soon enough :-) On 9/17/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 12:48:06PM -0400, Robert Brockway wrote: > > Just run a thin client on your desk and put the noisy computers in a place > > where you don't care, like the basement. Cheaper than the expense of > > making a powerful but silent computer and gives great (even better > > performance) than a regularl workstation. I've run a thin client on my > > desk for 10+ years. > > Great, unless you need graphics performance. Of course graphics cards > are often loud, so what can you do. Oh yeah, you get get a better case > to dampen the sound. :) For regular office work or programming, sure > put the cpu somewhere else (works for me). > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 17:17:25 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:17:25 -0400 Subject: Processors looking for a good home In-Reply-To: References: <46ee9b51.0c39400a.52f1.77d8@mx.google.com> <20070917165329.GS5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070917171725.GT5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 01:11:00PM -0400, Robert Brockway wrote: > I've streamed by TV tuner card to the thin client over two cheap 100MB/s > switches. Worked as well as the console. Then I sent it over ssh and it > still worked nearly as well as the console of the server (400MHz Epia cpu > on the thin client). > > I've also played GLTron to a thin client which was actually a Pentium-266 > with 64MB of ram (with some fancy features off, but that is a function of > the vid card on the thin client). I've also played other high intensity > games to a thin client. > > So while the thin client may constrain some graphically intensive apps I'm > yet to run across them. Some people have suggested that CAD may not work > well to a thin client but I've never tried this. I remember netscape on 10Mbit (shared with 30 other x terminals). Things like GLX help a lot. Is there a remote protocol for compressed video since that always seemed to be one of the worst things. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 17:14:16 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:14:16 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709161307k6a215fc3y3d6ae87d6330d89d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> <46ED20B1.7090702@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709161307k6a215fc3y3d6ae87d6330d89d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EEB5E8.7050003@chrisaitken.net> Tyler Aviss wrote: > Possibly, or it could just be that the drive packed it in. I've dealt > with numerous drives at work there the drive just decided to die on a > whim, or sometimes with the partition table becoming corrupted. > A bit of a coincidence but, okay. > But, this is fdisk, which I have known to have some very quirky > results when it comes to partitions defined under other partitioners > (particularly windows partitions). > I never used fdisk. I just tolf the fedora 7 (installer witht the live CD) to stay away from that drive. Man, I should have just physically taken it out of the box. 10 GB worth of songs that students have brought me. > Try "cfdisk /dev/sdb" > Maybe you'll have more luck. > cfdisk doesn't seem to be on my system or an easy install. Is it worth looking for this and installing or is it just a gui interface to fdsick?: [root at p733 chris]# cfdisk /dev/sdb bash: cfdisk: command not found [root at 733 chris]# /sbin/cfdisk /dev/sdb bash: /sbin/cfdisk: No such file or directory [root@@p733 chris]# locate cfdisk [root at p733 chris]# find / -name cfdisk [root at p733 chris]# yum install cfdisk Existing lock /var/run/yum.pid: another copy is running as pid 2000. Another app is currently holding the yum lock; waiting for it to exit... Another app is currently holding the yum lock; waiting for it to exit... Exiting on user cancel. [root at p733 chris]# kill 2000 [root at p733 chris]# yum install cfdisk Could not retrieve mirrorlist http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-7&arch=i386 error was [Errno 4] IOError: Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: %s. Please verify its path and try again [root at p733 chris]# > Also, just to double-check, you don't have any card-readers etc > No. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 17:18:14 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:18:14 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <20070917131901.GL5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> <20070917131901.GL5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46EEB6D6.90709@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 10:28:31AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Should I worry that /dev/hdb1 (the partition I'm trying to mount) has a >> Start and End of 1, and that System is Empty?: >> > > Yes. That looks VERY wrong. Maybe gpart can search for the real > partitions and give you what the partition table should be. Or maybe > the disk is wrong a machine using EFI partitions, or microsoft's dynamic > volumes. > > >> [root at p733 chris]# /sbin/fdisk -l >> >> Disk /dev/sda: 20.5 GB, 20547841536 bytes >> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2498 cylinders >> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes >> >> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System >> /dev/sda1 * 1 608 4876168+ b W95 FAT32 >> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. >> /dev/sda2 609 620 96390 83 Linux >> /dev/sda3 621 2498 15085035 8e Linux LVM >> >> Disk /dev/sdb: 10.0 GB, 10005037056 bytes >> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1216 cylinders >> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes >> >> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System >> /dev/sdb1 * 1 1 0 0 Empty >> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. >> [root at p733 chris]# >> > > What about 'cat /proc/partitions'? > I guess that looks more hopeful?: [root at p733 chris]# cat /proc/partitions major minor #blocks name 8 0 20066251 sda 8 1 4876168 sda1 8 2 96390 sda2 8 3 15085035 sda3 8 16 9770544 sdb 253 0 14254080 dm-0 253 1 786432 dm-1 Chris > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 17:40:15 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:40:15 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <46EEB6D6.90709-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> <20070917131901.GL5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EEB6D6.90709@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070917174015.GU5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 01:18:14PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > I guess that looks more hopeful?: > > [root at p733 chris]# cat /proc/partitions > major minor #blocks name > > 8 0 20066251 sda > 8 1 4876168 sda1 > 8 2 96390 sda2 > 8 3 15085035 sda3 > 8 16 9770544 sdb > 253 0 14254080 dm-0 > 253 1 786432 dm-1 Not sure. I still see no partitions on sdb, but of course how was it used before? LVD physical volume or something? How about: file -s /dev/sdb -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 18:37:15 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:37:15 -0400 Subject: Advice for starting a new project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46eec950.0e1f400a.1571.ffffa30e@mx.google.com> First off, I must say that the depth of experience on this list is awesome! I didn't expect to get so many well informed responses so quickly. Thank you to everyone that did either on or off the list, I will likely get back to you soon to ask more detailed questions and/or set a time to meetup to discuss your experiences. In the mean time, I have much to think about and it's become obvious that I need to re-formulate my questions. Thank you once again, you guys rock! -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 18:47:20 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:47:20 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <20070917174015.GU5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> <20070917131901.GL5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EEB6D6.90709@chrisaitken.net> <20070917174015.GU5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46EECBB8.5070803@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 01:18:14PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I guess that looks more hopeful?: >> >> [root at p733 chris]# cat /proc/partitions >> major minor #blocks name >> >> 8 0 20066251 sda >> 8 1 4876168 sda1 >> 8 2 96390 sda2 >> 8 3 15085035 sda3 >> 8 16 9770544 sdb >> 253 0 14254080 dm-0 >> 253 1 786432 dm-1 >> > > Not sure. I still see no partitions on sdb, but of course how was it > used before? LVD physical volume or something? > Hmmm - I don't know. Just one partition - the entire 10 GB to store .ogg music files. > How about: file -s /dev/sdb > [root at p733 chris]# file -s /dev/sdb /dev/sdb: x86 boot sector Chris > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 19:03:06 2007 From: david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (David Payne) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:03:06 -0300 Subject: Processors looking for a good home (OT) In-Reply-To: <46EEB4E2.5040600-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <46eea048.0f2b400a.6e5c.7e56@mx.google.com> <46EEB4E2.5040600@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20070917190306.GD23883@payneful.ca> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 01:09:54PM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Kareem Shehata wrote: > >1. What gets used in most offices (top posting and html email, though I > >try > >and avoid some of the other stupid things most offices do) > > > >2. What gets used in the list worl (properly composing an email in plain > >text) > > > >Both have their pros & cons, and each has their place. Where I find it > >troublesome is switching between them! > > You don't really need to switch between the two. Use an e-mail reader that > can display any HTML messages you may receive. For sending, always send as > plain text. You aren't very likely to get people complaining they can't > read your plain text messages. :-) Hi, A lot of mail readers like mutt and pine does not like HTML messages, at least not by default. I never send HTML, you are right, not many people will say they can't read my plain text email. But choice of mail readers will not help him switch between top posting and not top posting. As long as the mail reader allows you to do something besides top posting. David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 19:11:08 2007 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Processors looking for a good home (OT)y In-Reply-To: <20070917190306.GD23883-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <46eea048.0f2b400a.6e5c.7e56@mx.google.com> <46EEB4E2.5040600@ve3syb.ca> <20070917190306.GD23883@payneful.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, David Payne wrote: > On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 01:09:54PM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: ... > But choice of mail readers will not help him switch between > top posting and not top posting. As long as the mail reader > allows you to do something besides top posting. Is there such a thing as a mail reader that will only let you top post? I've never seen one. Most do position the cursor at the top of the message, but that's the way it should be: you move the cursor under the section you are answering and put your reply there. It is often expressed, a little more crudely, but effectively: "Puting your reply at the top, because that's where the cursor is, is like shitting in your pants because that's where your arsehole is." -- Chris F.A. Johnson ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 19:21:29 2007 From: david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (David Payne) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:21:29 -0300 Subject: Processors looking for a good home (OT)y In-Reply-To: References: <46eea048.0f2b400a.6e5c.7e56@mx.google.com> <46EEB4E2.5040600@ve3syb.ca> <20070917190306.GD23883@payneful.ca> Message-ID: <20070917192129.GE23883@payneful.ca> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 03:11:08PM -0400, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, David Payne wrote: > > >On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 01:09:54PM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: > ... > >But choice of mail readers will not help him switch between > >top posting and not top posting. As long as the mail reader > >allows you to do something besides top posting. > > Is there such a thing as a mail reader that will only let you top > post? I've never seen one. Most do position the cursor at the top > of the message, but that's the way it should be: you move the > cursor under the section you are answering and put your reply > there. > > It is often expressed, a little more crudely, but effectively: > > "Puting your reply at the top, because that's where the cursor > is, is like shitting in your pants because that's where your > arsehole is." > At work the default set up of our email client does a bit more than "put the cursor at the top". It puts a heading for each message in the thread, plus puts a heading for the message your are about the write. Also, by default it does not let you edit anything but the message you are about to write. You can get around that but no one at the office bothers. It's not as easy as moving the cursor to where you want to make your reply. David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 19:21:43 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:21:43 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <46EECBB8.5070803-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> <20070917131901.GL5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EEB6D6.90709@chrisaitken.net> <20070917174015.GU5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EECBB8.5070803@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070917192143.GV5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 02:47:20PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > Hmmm - I don't know. Just one partition - the entire 10 GB to store .ogg > music files. Well run gpart, and see if it can locate anything that looks like a valid filesystem and partitions. gpart (guess partitions) is rather good. > [root at p733 chris]# file -s /dev/sdb > /dev/sdb: x86 boot sector Well doesn't look like a filesystem on a disk with no partitions then. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 20:23:08 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Ida Church) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:23:08 -0500 Subject: Your Xan4x 0rder #88891 Message-ID: We Present you a US Licensed Online Pharm4cy St0re. Huge Disc0unts for next five days!!! 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 19:23:29 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:23:29 -0400 Subject: Processors looking for a good home (OT)y In-Reply-To: <20070917192129.GE23883-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <46eea048.0f2b400a.6e5c.7e56@mx.google.com> <46EEB4E2.5040600@ve3syb.ca> <20070917190306.GD23883@payneful.ca> <20070917192129.GE23883@payneful.ca> Message-ID: <20070917192329.GW5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 04:21:29PM -0300, David Payne wrote: > At work the default set up of our email client does a bit > more than "put the cursor at the top". It puts a heading > for each message in the thread, plus puts a heading for the > message your are about the write. Also, by default it does > not let you edit anything but the message you are about to > write. You can get around that but no one at the office > bothers. It's not as easy as moving the cursor to where you > want to make your reply. Which stupid client doesn't let you edit the quote? Certainly Outlook does and clients don't get much worse than that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 19:26:00 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:26:00 -0400 Subject: Processors looking for a good home (OT)y In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46eed4bc.0108400a.3c94.ffffb4f7@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Chris F.A. > Johnson > Sent: Monday 17 September 2007 15:11 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Processors looking for a good home (OT)y > > On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, David Payne wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 01:09:54PM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: > ... > > But choice of mail readers will not help him switch between > > top posting and not top posting. As long as the mail reader > > allows you to do something besides top posting. > > Is there such a thing as a mail reader that will only let you top > post? I've never seen one. Most do position the cursor at the top > of the message, but that's the way it should be: you move the > cursor under the section you are answering and put your reply > there. > > It is often expressed, a little more crudely, but effectively: > > "Puting your reply at the top, because that's where the cursor > is, is like shitting in your pants because that's where your > arsehole is." Point taken (if graphically over the top), but I think the point is more than anything else: think of your audience. In the average business communication, the context of the message is known to both the sender and receiver, so only the most recent entry is really needed. The history is given only really for reference, and therefore can come after the new message. BTW: Yes there is a mail reader that effectively forces top posting: Outlook. The default configuration makes it difficult to do anything other than top post, and the average user doesn't know where to find the options. I recently had to do this just to use this list, and it takes about 4 not-entirely-obvious steps to get there. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 19:45:29 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:45:29 -0400 Subject: Advice for starting a new project? In-Reply-To: <46ee8789.0d1f400a.183a.4a88-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46ee8789.0d1f400a.183a.4a88@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <46EED959.5010008@alteeve.com> Kareem Shehata wrote: > Hey everyone, > > > > I've had an idea in my head (and on paper, er. notepad) for about a year now > for what could turn into an open source project. Truth be told, I know the > shape of what I want to make, but I have no idea how to actually do it: > FOSS, start a small company and build it proprietary, design the > architecture and then license it, or look at academic forums. I'm leaning > towards FOSS because I think it'll fit the project as well as my personal > beliefs and values, but I have no idea what it takes to go down that road. > So I thought I'd check here and see if anyone has tried this road and can > give any advice, or know of someone I should talk with. I'm thinking of > heading to Waterloo to chat with Roger Dingledine, since the project has > similarities to his. Anyone in the Toronto area who has started or is > running a FOSS project? > > > > BTW: I'd love nothing better than to put out all of the details on the idea, > but at this point the idea of "intellectual property" scares the crap out of > me. What if some unscrupulous company takes the idea, makes a prototype, > and patents it? So, for the moment I won't talk details (and in return I'm > not asking for any kind of commitments from anyone), but any and all advice > would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks! > > > > -kms Get and read this book: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/producingoss/index.html It's *exactly* what you want to know/need/read if you want to start an OSS project. It's amazing. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 19:51:52 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:51:52 -0400 Subject: Advice for starting a new project? In-Reply-To: <46EED959.5010008-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46ee8789.0d1f400a.183a.4a88@mx.google.com> <46EED959.5010008@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <9BB2B12D-86AD-48A3-A877-A2B719A2D03D@visibleassets.com> Somewhat off topic .... One thing I seem to recall reading, but don't remember where is the type of license that attracts more developers. There was some argument to the science, but the conclusion was that BSD type licenses attracted more effort from developers. Dave On 17-Sep-07, at 3:45 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: > Kareem Shehata wrote: >> Hey everyone, >> I've had an idea in my head (and on paper, er. notepad) for about >> a year now >> for what could turn into an open source project. Truth be told, I >> know the >> shape of what I want to make, but I have no idea how to actually >> do it: >> FOSS, start a small company and build it proprietary, design the >> architecture and then license it, or look at academic forums. I'm >> leaning >> towards FOSS because I think it'll fit the project as well as my >> personal >> beliefs and values, but I have no idea what it takes to go down >> that road. >> So I thought I'd check here and see if anyone has tried this road >> and can >> give any advice, or know of someone I should talk with. I'm >> thinking of >> heading to Waterloo to chat with Roger Dingledine, since the >> project has >> similarities to his. Anyone in the Toronto area who has started >> or is >> running a FOSS project? >> BTW: I'd love nothing better than to put out all of the details >> on the idea, >> but at this point the idea of "intellectual property" scares the >> crap out of >> me. What if some unscrupulous company takes the idea, makes a >> prototype, >> and patents it? So, for the moment I won't talk details (and in >> return I'm >> not asking for any kind of commitments from anyone), but any and >> all advice >> would be appreciated. >> Thanks! >> -kms > > Get and read this book: > > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/producingoss/index.html > > It's *exactly* what you want to know/need/read if you want to start > an OSS project. It's amazing. > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 19:55:21 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:55:21 -0400 Subject: Advice for starting a new project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46eedb9d.0d2b400a.7ace.ffffea4a@mx.google.com> ________________________________________ > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Alex Beamish > Sent: Monday 17 September 2007 10:17 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Advice for starting a new project? > It sounds like you have two questions, 1) How do I start my project, and > 2) How do I make money from it? Yea, in a nutshell that would be two pivotal questions. I'd phrase them more: 1) How do I make this idea fly? 2) How do I not go broke in the process? > As far as 1) goes, pare the original idea down to the least amount of > functionality that makes sense, and build that. There's no point in > starting to build a Cadillac when a pickup truck will do the job -- for > now. Once you have something out there, you add all of the extra stuff > that you imagined when you started doing the design. Keep it modular; use > version control; and develop using tests. Yup, many good ideas here. Just a matter of putting them to practice! But the first one is absolutely key: I plan on having a base set of features to start and then a roadmap from there. > For 2), you can either make your code proprietary and sell just the > binary, or you can make it open source, and sell configuration, > development and support services. Keep in mind that even if you release > something as FOSS, you can also retain the copyright. > > And the advantage of going open source is that other developers might be > interested in developing and supporting your code. That spreads the load, > and means a higher profile and more market coverage for your package. This is part of the reason I'm thinking of FOSS. It's going to be a networked application, and so interop is key - what better way then giving the people who want to play along the sources? I'm also hoping that going open-source will also generate a certain amount of trust, but that's a fuzzy one. You and I and I'd imagine most people on this list trust FOSS apps far more than proprietary stuff, but does the general public? > Good luck! Thanks, I'll need it! -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 19:58:03 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:58:03 -0400 Subject: to Madison re experience with getting across the border Message-ID: <64DD0204-BC1E-4C2E-853A-F13984B7D1D7@visibleassets.com> Madison, How did you make out with your journey ? Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 20:00:49 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:00:49 -0400 Subject: Open Source Licenses (WAS: Advice for starting a new project?) In-Reply-To: <9BB2B12D-86AD-48A3-A877-A2B719A2D03D-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <9BB2B12D-86AD-48A3-A877-A2B719A2D03D@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <46eedce5.1038400a.44a6.fffff865@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Dave > Cramer > Sent: Monday 17 September 2007 15:52 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Advice for starting a new project? > > Somewhat off topic .... > > > One thing I seem to recall reading, but don't remember where is the > type of license that attracts more developers. > > There was some argument to the science, but the conclusion was that > BSD type licenses attracted more effort from developers. > > Dave I would be curious to know how this affects the decision to help a project. I understand some of the differences in the licenses (IANAL, but I have read a fair bit), but never quite understood how a potential developer would make a decision based on that. Wouldn't that depend on the particular developer and project, or are there some licenses that are simply regarded as "better"? -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 20:08:29 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:08:29 -0400 Subject: to Madison re experience with getting across the border In-Reply-To: <64DD0204-BC1E-4C2E-853A-F13984B7D1D7-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <64DD0204-BC1E-4C2E-853A-F13984B7D1D7@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <46EEDEBD.9030308@rogers.com> Dave Cramer wrote: > Madison, > > How did you make out with your journey ? > > I believe she's moved to Guantanamo Bay. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 20:12:01 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:12:01 -0700 Subject: Processors looking for a good home In-Reply-To: <20070917171725.GT5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46ee9b51.0c39400a.52f1.77d8@mx.google.com> <20070917165329.GS5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070917171725.GT5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709171312n3cd28aa5pafcfa703b6455e31@mail.gmail.com> Hmmm, I've had good luck with using freeNX over connections that would otherwise be a bit spotty. It's a bit different than using a thin/thick client though, something more like a VNC/rdesktop/etc situation. On 9/17/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 01:11:00PM -0400, Robert Brockway wrote: > > I've streamed by TV tuner card to the thin client over two cheap 100MB/s > > switches. Worked as well as the console. Then I sent it over ssh and it > > still worked nearly as well as the console of the server (400MHz Epia cpu > > on the thin client). > > > > I've also played GLTron to a thin client which was actually a Pentium-266 > > with 64MB of ram (with some fancy features off, but that is a function of > > the vid card on the thin client). I've also played other high intensity > > games to a thin client. > > > > So while the thin client may constrain some graphically intensive apps I'm > > yet to run across them. Some people have suggested that CAD may not work > > well to a thin client but I've never tried this. > > I remember netscape on 10Mbit (shared with 30 other x terminals). > > Things like GLX help a lot. Is there a remote protocol for compressed > video since that always seemed to be one of the worst things. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 20:18:03 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:18:03 -0400 Subject: Open Source Licenses (WAS: Advice for starting a new project?) In-Reply-To: <46eedce5.1038400a.44a6.fffff865-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46eedce5.1038400a.44a6.fffff865@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <32347B3E-6200-415E-B124-F2C08BE1EC62@visibleassets.com> On 17-Sep-07, at 4:00 PM, Kareem Shehata wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Dave >> Cramer >> Sent: Monday 17 September 2007 15:52 >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Advice for starting a new project? >> >> Somewhat off topic .... >> >> >> One thing I seem to recall reading, but don't remember where is the >> type of license that attracts more developers. >> >> There was some argument to the science, but the conclusion was that >> BSD type licenses attracted more effort from developers. >> >> Dave > > I would be curious to know how this affects the decision to help a > project. > I understand some of the differences in the licenses (IANAL, but I > have read > a fair bit), but never quite understood how a potential developer > would make > a decision based on that. Wouldn't that depend on the particular > developer > and project, or are there some licenses that are simply regarded as > "better"? > Well, I'm biased. I'm not a big fan of the GPL. So I tend to avoid doing anything with projects which are GPL'd. so when I am looking for a project to use, I parse out everything that is GPL like. Dave > -kms > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 20:20:54 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:20:54 -0400 Subject: Processors looking for a good home (OT)y In-Reply-To: <46eed4bc.0108400a.3c94.ffffb4f7-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46eed4bc.0108400a.3c94.ffffb4f7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20070917202054.GX5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 03:26:00PM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: > Point taken (if graphically over the top), but I think the point is more > than anything else: think of your audience. In the average business > communication, the context of the message is known to both the sender and > receiver, so only the most recent entry is really needed. The history is > given only really for reference, and therefore can come after the new > message. Strange given how many emails many people get, I would think it could be hard to remember what every thread has as a context. Of course it doesn't help with the kind of crap some people put as the subject (assuming they even put anything). Also for any kind of technical discussion you often have multiple points to discuss and trying to figure out the references is extremely hard when using top posting. I find much of the emails sent within companies is very poor in terms of being communications. Top posting is probably a large part of that, as is the general inability to have good written communications for a few people. :) > BTW: Yes there is a mail reader that effectively forces top posting: > Outlook. The default configuration makes it difficult to do anything other > than top post, and the average user doesn't know where to find the options. > I recently had to do this just to use this list, and it takes about 4 > not-entirely-obvious steps to get there. I guess it has gotten worse in the years since I last used it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 20:32:23 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:32:23 -0400 Subject: to Madison re experience with getting across the border In-Reply-To: <46EEDEBD.9030308-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <64DD0204-BC1E-4C2E-853A-F13984B7D1D7@visibleassets.com> <46EEDEBD.9030308@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46EEE457.6020103@alteeve.com> James Knott wrote: > Dave Cramer wrote: >> Madison, >> >> How did you make out with your journey ? >> >> > I believe she's moved to Guantanamo Bay. ;-) > > Haha, not quite. It ended up not working out for the teaching. The client wanted a quarantee that I could get across the border, and that is a guarantee that is simply impossible to make given the current powers of the border officials. I've heard far too many stories of people with all the proper papers being turned away "just because the border agent felt like it" (including my Mom's ex-boyfriend who is an Indian professional). I did go across though to visit her, and had no problems at all. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 20:40:34 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:40:34 -0400 Subject: Processors looking for a good home (OT)y In-Reply-To: <20070917202054.GX5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070917202054.GX5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46eee636.101f400a.061f.ffffcb1b@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Lennart > Sorensen > Sent: Monday 17 September 2007 16:21 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Processors looking for a good home (OT)y > > Strange given how many emails many people get, I would think it could be > hard to remember what every thread has as a context. Of course it > doesn't help with the kind of crap some people put as the subject > (assuming they even put anything). Also for any kind of technical > discussion you often have multiple points to discuss and trying to > figure out the references is extremely hard when using top posting. I > find much of the emails sent within companies is very poor in terms of > being communications. Top posting is probably a large part of that, as > is the general inability to have good written communications for a few > people. :) Yea, we could argue for a long time about top-posting and other details, but that's one thing we can agree on: "business communication" is mostly terrible. One of the most frustrating times of my career was trying to co-ordinate the software end (pardon me, the "Control System") of a project spread across the continent and into Asia, with a Project Manager who typed with two fingers and could barely spell. It wouldn't have bothered me so much if his essential job function wasn't pure communication. > I guess it has gotten worse in the years since I last used it. Yea, if it wasn't for everything else that integrates with it, not to mention that one of the few things MS has done decently is the Tablet PC integration, I'd drop it like a hot potato. As it is, Outlook syncs conveniently with my Nokia phone and if I decide to re-install iTunes then it'll also throw my calendar on my iPod. Much as I like my Ubuntu desktop and I'm not likely to ever run an MS server, the pragmatist in me still looks for the best solution to each problem, and still sees the value in this one Windows PC. At least until Vista becomes inevitable, which would essentially be "push comes to shove". -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 20:42:30 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:42:30 -0400 Subject: Open Source Licenses (WAS: Advice for starting a new project?) In-Reply-To: <32347B3E-6200-415E-B124-F2C08BE1EC62-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <32347B3E-6200-415E-B124-F2C08BE1EC62@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <46eee6aa.0e39400a.2200.ffffa82d@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Dave > Cramer > Sent: Monday 17 September 2007 16:18 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Open Source Licenses (WAS: Advice for starting a new > project?) > > > Well, I'm biased. I'm not a big fan of the GPL. So I tend to avoid > doing anything with projects which are GPL'd. > > so when I am looking for a project to use, I parse out everything > that is GPL like. > > Dave Ok, I'm not familiar with your bias, though everyone does have their own. Mind explaining the choice to a curious mind? I've heard of people avoiding the GPL, but never quite understood why. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 20:45:36 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:45:36 -0400 Subject: Open Source Licenses (WAS: Advice for starting a new project?) In-Reply-To: <46eee6aa.0e39400a.2200.ffffa82d-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <32347B3E-6200-415E-B124-F2C08BE1EC62@visibleassets.com> <46eee6aa.0e39400a.2200.ffffa82d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20070917204536.GY5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 04:42:30PM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: > Ok, I'm not familiar with your bias, though everyone does have their own. > Mind explaining the choice to a curious mind? I've heard of people avoiding > the GPL, but never quite understood why. Some people believe in just offering their source for use to make the world of programming a better place, whether commercial or open source. They tend to go for BSD license or public domain or similar. The GPL restricts the freedom too much for them. After all some people just want to make their code free, but don't care to force it to stay free (in as much as forced freedom makes any sense). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 20:45:48 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:45:48 -0400 Subject: to Madison re experience with getting across the border In-Reply-To: <46EEE457.6020103-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46EEE457.6020103@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <46eee770.0f39400a.6463.ffffc5c7@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Madison > Kelly > Sent: Monday 17 September 2007 16:32 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: to Madison re experience with getting across the > border > > It ended up not working out for the teaching. The client wanted a > quarantee that I could get across the border, and that is a guarantee > that is simply impossible to make given the current powers of the border > officials. I've heard far too many stories of people with all the proper > papers being turned away "just because the border agent felt like it" > (including my Mom's ex-boyfriend who is an Indian professional). Been there, done that. Had a border agent trying to tell me what a contract was. He insisted that it must be some very thick legal document and that my idea of "offer and acceptance" was bs. Took many faxes and a long delay at the border before we could continue the (not very) long journey to Buffalo. > I did go across though to visit her, and had no problems at all. Glad to hear it! Hope you have many uneventful crossings. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 20:48:39 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:48:39 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <20070917131901.GL5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> <20070917131901.GL5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46EEE827.7010608@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 10:28:31AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Should I worry that /dev/hdb1 (the partition I'm trying to mount) has a >> Start and End of 1, and that System is Empty?: >> > > Yes. That looks VERY wrong. Maybe gpart can search for the real > partitions and give you what the partition table should be. gparted? It shows /dev/sdb as having Partition unallocated, FIlesystem unallocated, Size 9.32 GBand no entries for Used, Unused and Flags. I don't suppose I could use that comfortable gui tool to make it ext3 and then the data will magically appear in it? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 21:00:18 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:00:18 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <46EEE827.7010608-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> <20070917131901.GL5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EEE827.7010608@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070917210018.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 04:48:39PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 10:28:31AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > > > >>Should I worry that /dev/hdb1 (the partition I'm trying to mount) has a > >>Start and End of 1, and that System is Empty?: > >> > > > >Yes. That looks VERY wrong. Maybe gpart can search for the real > >partitions and give you what the partition table should be. > gparted? No. gpart. # apt-cache show gpart Package: gpart Priority: optional Section: admin Installed-Size: 112 Maintainer: David Coe Architecture: i386 Version: 0.1h-4.1 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) Filename: pool/main/g/gpart/gpart_0.1h-4.1_i386.deb Size: 36310 MD5sum: 4690231eda349138a7df012dad5a3bec SHA1: 270964995287fda388385653c4c0a84594f9b800 SHA256: 43ad71039dba3a0c8ce003a30a81b37cfa85cda9a835b8a81b27fe7238b15681 Description: Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions Gpart is a tool which tries to guess the primary partition table of a PC-type disk in case the primary partition table in sector 0 is damaged, incorrect or deleted. . It is also good at finding and listing the types, locations, and sizes of inadvertently-deleted partitions, both primary and logical. It gives you the information you need to manually re-create them (using fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk, etc.). . The guessed table can also be written to a file or (if you firmly believe the guessed table is entirely correct) directly to a disk device. . Supported (guessable) filesystem or partition types: . * BeOS filesystem type. * FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD disklabel sub-partitioning scheme used on Intel platforms. * Linux second extended filesystem. * MS-DOS FAT12/16/32 "filesystems". * IBM OS/2 High Performance filesystem. * Linux LVM physical volumes (LVM by Heinz Mauelshagen). * Linux swap partitions (versions 0 and 1). * The Minix operating system filesystem type. * MS Windows NT/2000 filesystem. * QNX 4.x filesystem. * The Reiser filesystem (version 3.5.X, X > 11). * Sun Solaris on Intel platforms uses a sub-partitioning scheme on PC hard disks similar to the BSD disklabels. * Silicon Graphics' journalling filesystem for Linux. . Other types may be added relatively easily, as separately compiled modules. Tag: admin::boot, admin::recovery, hardware::storage, interface::commandline, role::program, scope::application, x11::terminal For example: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ if your distribution is failing to provide a package. > It shows /dev/sdb as having Partition unallocated, FIlesystem > unallocated, Size 9.32 GBand no entries for Used, Unused and Flags. > > I don't suppose I could use that comfortable gui tool to make it ext3 > and then the data will magically appear in it? It might but I wouldn't want to try it. It would probably destroy any chances of recovery instead. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 21:51:38 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:51:38 -0400 Subject: Open Source Licenses (WAS: Advice for starting a new project?) In-Reply-To: <46eee6aa.0e39400a.2200.ffffa82d-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46eee6aa.0e39400a.2200.ffffa82d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On 17-Sep-07, at 4:42 PM, Kareem Shehata wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Dave >> Cramer >> Sent: Monday 17 September 2007 16:18 >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Open Source Licenses (WAS: Advice for >> starting a new >> project?) >> >> >> Well, I'm biased. I'm not a big fan of the GPL. So I tend to avoid >> doing anything with projects which are GPL'd. >> >> so when I am looking for a project to use, I parse out everything >> that is GPL like. >> >> Dave > > Ok, I'm not familiar with your bias, though everyone does have > their own. > Mind explaining the choice to a curious mind? I've heard of people > avoiding > the GPL, but never quite understood why. > My reasons are for avoiding it are mostly business. We don't want to have to give away our product, but we want to use open source. I would think that one the reasons more effort is expended is due to companies like IBM hiring people to work on it. They use apache internally so they tend to spend money on apache. Others use postgresql internally (Nokia for one) so they will spend money on developers to work on pg. The fact that a project is GPL excludes the project from being used in a product ( without giving away the source ). So projects are chosen based on their ability to be used in a commercial product. Another one that comes to mind is postgresql used in Apple's remote desktop. Dave > -kms > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 17 23:40:14 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:40:14 +0000 Subject: Mini-PCI (wireless) cards and compability Message-ID: <3a97ef0709171640g261133f0w78f998918a41eff1@mail.gmail.com> I recently tried to upgrade the wireless card in my laptop from an annoying broadcom 802.11b card which requires ndiswrapper to a wonderful Intel ipw2200 card that has native linux drivers (and supports wireless G). Unfortunately, my laptop - an HP Pavillion zd7000 - complained loudly about having an "unauthorized card" at the bootup screen, and I had to go back to the broadcom. My assumption had been that mini-PCI was much like any other PCI standard, though for mobile devices but it appears I am was mistaken. Does anyone know about what locks a mini-PCI device to its hardware, and how to tell what (if anything) is usable? The Intel card I got was from/for a Dell, so I'm wondering if perhaps one from/for an HP would work? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 02:14:40 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Richie Oneil) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:14:40 -0500 Subject: No time to look for w4tch? Prest1ge Repl1cas Message-ID: Everybody knows that a Cart1er w4tch is a silent statement of wealth and luxury. But we all know as well that the price of putting one of them on your wrist is for the most unaffordable by the average Joe. That??s why repl1ca Cart1er w4tches are becoming more and more popular by the day. They??re actually the affordable solution to this dilemma. 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In-Reply-To: References: <46eee6aa.0e39400a.2200.ffffa82d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0709171824l77544835t4f668cf3b8ab4a06@mail.gmail.com> On 9/17/07, Dave Cramer wrote: > On 17-Sep-07, at 4:42 PM, Kareem Shehata wrote: [...] > >> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Dave > >> Cramer [...] > >> Well, I'm biased. I'm not a big fan of the GPL. So I tend to avoid > >> doing anything with projects which are GPL'd. > >> > >> so when I am looking for a project to use, I parse out everything > >> that is GPL like. [...] > > Ok, I'm not familiar with your bias, though everyone does have > > their own. > > Mind explaining the choice to a curious mind? I've heard of people > > avoiding > > the GPL, but never quite understood why. > > > My reasons are for avoiding it are mostly business. > > We don't want to have to give away our product, but we want to use > open source. > > I would think that one the reasons more effort is expended is due > to companies like IBM hiring people to work on it. They use apache > internally so they tend to spend money on apache. Others use > postgresql internally (Nokia for one) so they will spend money on > developers to work on pg. The fact that a project is GPL excludes the > project from being used in a product ( without giving away the > source ). So projects are chosen based on their ability to be used in > a commercial product. Another one that comes to mind is postgresql > used in Apple's remote desktop. I like the freedom inherent in BSD licenses, but prefer the philosophy behind the GPL - in particular, the guarantee that the source code will be available. It levels the playing field a bit. In order to support business use of Atomic OS, I chose the Lesser GPL - which seems a reasonable cross between BSD and GPL. As long as they provide the source for Atomic OS, a business can keep their "intellectual property." Of course, because the AOS core is written almost entirely in JavaScript, there may be security concerns in products developed with it; this leads pretty quickly to my current problem of deciding whether or not to change the Atomic OS license. If I move to the GPL then end-users/developers can validate _all_ the code in a product based on (or using) my project, improving overall security. But then the problem comes full circle, and business opportunities are lost. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 02:10:26 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:10:26 -0400 Subject: No time to look for w4tch? Prest1ge Repl1cas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46EF3392.60505@telly.org> Richie Oneil wrote: > Everybody knows that a Cart1er w4tch is a silent statement of wealth and luxury. But does it run Linux? - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 02:11:15 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:11:15 -0400 Subject: SCO files Chapter 11 bankruptcy In-Reply-To: <513380.31561.qm-fjYszm/wOJWB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <46ED19A8.2060903@rogers.com> <513380.31561.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990709171911g3a856475o6fe152a4d05fc5bd@mail.gmail.com> On 9/16/07, Colin McGregor wrote: > Or there is this one, where the content of the story > is very straight forward, but the two graphics > included are funny: > > http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20070914/sco-chapter-11/ This one seems to have vanished. =( -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 02:23:14 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:23:14 -0400 Subject: Audacious VS XMMS In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709170940t2e0575b1re8df8c06b957cb28-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0709170940t2e0575b1re8df8c06b957cb28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990709171923g3c496e60idfd37a118b0bcdc8@mail.gmail.com> On 9/17/07, Tyler Aviss wrote: > For those that like XMMS-type audio programs, but are frustrated with > some of the annoyances of that particular program, you might want to > try audacious (it's available on Debian/etch). You're my newest hero. This is the greatest thing since cplay! /me runs off to play his SID collection. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mikemacleod-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 02:49:03 2007 From: mikemacleod-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael MacLeod) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:49:03 -0400 Subject: Dual PPPoE WAN Connections, Bridging Connections Message-ID: Hello folks Due to happy circumstance, I have two DSL connections coming into my house. One is through Nexxia, the other is Bell's Optimax service, so they are both PPPoE. I've been thinking about the best way to utilize them, and I think policy based dual-wan routing is my best option, of the sort provided by pfSense. However, pfSense has some limitations. It can only do one PPPoE wan connection, and it can't traffic shape the connections if I have dual-wan enabled. So I'm casting about for a suitable solution. One I've been looking at is using two more boxen (call them A and B) configured with pfSense or m0n0wall to shape each DSL connection individually and handle the PPPoE auth, so that a third pfSense box (box C) just has to handle the dual-wan rules. The only problem here is that I don't particularly want my network to be behind a double NAT configuration, so I'm wondering if there is a way to configure these two boxes (A and B) so that they acquire an IP via PPPoE, but then hand it to the dual-wan box (C). If they can also shape some of the traffic while it passes through them, that would be optimal. I'm by no means set on using either pfSense or m0n0wall, I'm just marginally familiar with them. Any suggestions for configurations or alternatives would be much appreciated. Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 02:58:18 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:58:18 -0400 Subject: No time to look for w4tch? Prest1ge Repl1cas In-Reply-To: <46EF3392.60505-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46EF3392.60505@telly.org> Message-ID: <46ef3ebc.0a1f400a.582e.ffffdfa9@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Evan > Leibovitch > Sent: Monday 17 September 2007 22:10 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Cc: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: No time to look for w4tch? Prest1ge Repl1cas > > Richie Oneil wrote: > > Everybody knows that a Cart1er w4tch is a silent statement of wealth and > luxury. > But does it run Linux? As a "silent statement of wealth and luxury" this can only be marketing from Apple, so it'll ship with some variant of OS X. You can likely hack it run a real BSD or one of the Linux dists if you really want. I'm surprised though: shouldn't this be an ad for the iWatch? -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 04:03:42 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Reed Walton) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:03:42 -0500 Subject: Your Xan4x 0rder #3487427 Message-ID: Hi, We have cheapest Cial1s S0ft T4bs and V1agra S0ft T4bs online. Visit US He4lthc4re Inc. at: http://www.ueuehwnn.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 01:09:33 2007 From: jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Baker) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:09:33 -0400 Subject: mp3 players Message-ID: <200709172109.34132.jab@muskokatech.ca> I am currently in the market for an mp3 player for my wife. she uses a linux laptop, so I need it to work with linux. Does anyone on the list have any suggestions? It looks like the ipod is already struck off the list due to its dependency on itunes. -- Jeremy Baker GnuPGP fingerprint = EE66 AC49 E008 E09A 7A2A ?0195 50EF 580B EDBB 95B6 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 06:03:13 2007 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:03:13 -0700 Subject: mp3 players In-Reply-To: <200709172109.34132.jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw@public.gmane.org> References: <200709172109.34132.jab@muskokatech.ca> Message-ID: <1190095393.7649.14.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 21:09 -0400, Jeremy Baker wrote: > I am currently in the market for an mp3 player for my wife. she uses a linux > laptop, so I need it to work with linux. Does anyone on the list have any > suggestions? It looks like the ipod is already struck off the list due to > its dependency on itunes. ipods actually work great with linux; i use amarok with no issues, as do many others. and you can install rockbox as well if you want (so, rewrite the os by flashing the firmware); i don't use it (the ipod belongs to MY partner, and she doesn't want any hacking around with it), but i understand it's pretty flawless. matt -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 06:05:41 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:05:41 +0000 Subject: mp3 players In-Reply-To: <200709172109.34132.jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw@public.gmane.org> References: <200709172109.34132.jab@muskokatech.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709172305wbf699d9pe942b05a06f1f9a6@mail.gmail.com> I posed this question awhile back and most seemed fairly impressed with Insignia brand mp3 players. NS-DV4G for the 4GB model, I believe. But don't compete with me too much, still trying to find a good deal on ebay :-) On 9/18/07, Jeremy Baker wrote: > I am currently in the market for an mp3 player for my wife. she uses a linux > laptop, so I need it to work with linux. Does anyone on the list have any > suggestions? It looks like the ipod is already struck off the list due to > its dependency on itunes. > -- > Jeremy Baker > GnuPGP fingerprint = > EE66 AC49 E008 E09A 7A2A 0195 50EF 580B EDBB 95B6 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 11:19:29 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:19:29 -0400 Subject: mp3 players In-Reply-To: <1190095393.7649.14.camel@localhost> References: <200709172109.34132.jab@muskokatech.ca> <1190095393.7649.14.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <46EFB441.8020300@rogers.com> Matt Price wrote: > On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 21:09 -0400, Jeremy Baker wrote: > >> I am currently in the market for an mp3 player for my wife. she uses a linux >> laptop, so I need it to work with linux. Does anyone on the list have any >> suggestions? It looks like the ipod is already struck off the list due to >> its dependency on itunes. >> > > ipods actually work great with linux; i use amarok with no issues, as do > many others. and you can install rockbox as well if you want (so, > rewrite the os by flashing the firmware); i don't use it (the ipod > belongs to MY partner, and she doesn't want any hacking around with it), > but i understand it's pretty flawless. > > > There was something in the news recently about new iPods will work only with iTunes. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 11:22:13 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:22:13 -0400 Subject: Groklaw - SCO Asks Court to Let it Hire Accounting Temps - Half of its finance dept. fired or quit Message-ID: <46EFB4E5.9040007@rogers.com> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070917072753835 -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 11:30:34 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:30:34 -0400 Subject: mp3 players In-Reply-To: <200709172109.34132.jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw@public.gmane.org> References: <200709172109.34132.jab@muskokatech.ca> Message-ID: <46EFB6DA.6060707@alteeve.com> Jeremy Baker wrote: > I am currently in the market for an mp3 player for my wife. she uses a linux > laptop, so I need it to work with linux. Does anyone on the list have any > suggestions? It looks like the ipod is already struck off the list due to > its dependency on itunes. This: http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/cowon/d2/ The Cowan Iaudio D2 is excellent. My boyfriend wanted to get one and did a fair bit of research on them. I'd never heard of it before, but it advertises supporting Linux, supports Ogg and the sound quality is simply amazing. Canada Computers sells them (D2 = 2gb, D4 = 4gb) for ~$160. Another great feature is that it support SD Cards as well, for more space. Google it and you'll see some pretty impressive reviews. Oh, it also plays video. We've watched Ghost in the Shell and Serenity on it already. The thing is *tiny*, but it somehow works. My opinion, but I think it rocks. I am planning to get one for myself once I get a couple bills cleared up. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 13:58:13 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Ofelia Gomes) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:58:13 -0500 Subject: Delightful repl1ca w4tches at Prest1ge Repl1cas Message-ID: If the only thing standing between you and a luxurious Cart1er w4tch is money, then today is your lucky day! Prest1ge Repl1cas, the world-famous repl1ca w4tches dealer, is offering a 15% discount during these fall months, making their whole Cart1er collection even more affordable. http://www.siwjwuhh.com/ As you are probably aware of, Prest1ge Repl1cas has one of the most extensive collections of Cart1er repl1ca w4tches in the whole wide web. Who cares if they are not legitimate? These repl1cas are of such high quality that not even a connoisseur would be able to distinguish them from an original Cart1er. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 13:17:13 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:17:13 -0400 Subject: mp3 players In-Reply-To: <46EFB441.8020300-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200709172109.34132.jab@muskokatech.ca> <1190095393.7649.14.camel@localhost> <46EFB441.8020300@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46EFCFD9.4090000@netdirect.ca> James Knott wrote: > There was something in the news recently about new iPods will work only > with iTunes. > I picked up an ipod for my wife for Christmas and never installed the Windows software. I used GTKpod to load songs on. I had to write a script to pull songs off an album, grab the title and artist info and rip an MP3 of all the songs on the CD. I even went so far as putting ID3 tags in the MP3 so that the iPod listed them correctly. Using GTKpod apparently circumvented the DRM issues that plague Windows users. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux Conference for users by users. -- *John Van Ostrand* *Net Direct Inc.* CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 map Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 ext.5102 *Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware* Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 13:31:32 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:31:32 -0400 Subject: mp3 players In-Reply-To: <200709172109.34132.jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw@public.gmane.org> References: <200709172109.34132.jab@muskokatech.ca> Message-ID: On 9/17/07, Jeremy Baker wrote: > I am currently in the market for an mp3 player for my wife. she uses a linux > laptop, so I need it to work with linux. Does anyone on the list have any > suggestions? It looks like the ipod is already struck off the list due to > its dependency on itunes. Take a look at ; they have built what seems to be a "Linux for audio devices" distribution that runs on a number of music players (Archos, Apple, iRiver, SanDisk, Cowon, Toshiba), and which tends to have a lot more capabilities than any vendor builds into their software. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 13:34:10 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:34:10 -0400 Subject: No time to look for w4tch? Prest1ge Repl1cas In-Reply-To: <46EF3392.60505-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46EF3392.60505@telly.org> Message-ID: On 9/17/07, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Richie Oneil wrote: > > Everybody knows that a Cart1er w4tch is a silent statement of wealth and luxury. > But does it run Linux? I am a little surprised that linux-running watches have not emerged except as experiment, and that there are no PDAs in that form factor. Apparently the cell phone is the smallest that people want to go... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 13:47:10 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:47:10 -0400 Subject: Mini-PCI (wireless) cards and compability In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709171640g261133f0w78f998918a41eff1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0709171640g261133f0w78f998918a41eff1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070918134710.GA5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 11:40:14PM +0000, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I recently tried to upgrade the wireless card in my laptop from an > annoying broadcom 802.11b card which requires ndiswrapper to a > wonderful Intel ipw2200 card that has native linux drivers (and > supports wireless G). Unfortunately, my laptop - an HP Pavillion > zd7000 - complained loudly about having an "unauthorized card" at the > bootup screen, and I had to go back to the broadcom. > > My assumption had been that mini-PCI was much like any other PCI > standard, though for mobile devices but it appears I am was mistaken. > Does anyone know about what locks a mini-PCI device to its hardware, > and how to tell what (if anything) is usable? The Intel card I got was > from/for a Dell, so I'm wondering if perhaps one from/for an HP would > work? The new card would almost certainly work in the laptop. Unfortunately it isn't the card HP got the laptop certified for FCC emisions with, so they won't allow you to install it since you just might violate FCC emissions standards and they couldn't be responsible for letting you do that could they? Some laptop makers aren't as stupidly paranoid about things, but HP/Compaq most certainly is (I looked into it for my wife's compaq which has a crappy 802.11b/g broadcom, and found quickly that people said it can't be done). Well if you can somehow hack the bios code you should be able to do it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 15:27:46 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Solaris sysadmin contract Message-ID: Hi all. I have a lead on a Solaris sysadmin contract position. I'm not involved with this position at all and I'm posting it for a business associate. Location: GTA with some travel Duration: Probably 4-5 months Tasks: Migration from Solaris 9->10 of an unknown number of servers I'm told the employer doesn't necessarily require a senior level sysadmin for this spot. If you are interested please forward me your resume. I'll forward it on to my business associate. I'm doing it this way as I don't want to post his email address to a public list. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 16:27:13 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Fay Waller) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:27:13 -0500 Subject: Your Zoc0r 0rder #7680678 Message-ID: We have everything you need: Phenterm1ne, Cial1s S0ft T4bs, V1agra S0ft T4bs, Cial1s, V1agra, Lev1tra, Propec1a, Val1um, Xan4x, Amb1en, Zyb4n, Atar4x, At1van, Car1soma, Ultr4m, Glucoph4ge, Lip1tor, Mer1dia, Zoc0r, N0rvasc. We respect your privacy - we guarantee you a total anonymity of your 0rder. Visit US He4lthc4re Inc. online at: http://www.popolekwj.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 15:42:29 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:42:29 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <20070917210018.GZ5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> <20070917131901.GL5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EEE827.7010608@chrisaitken.net> <20070917210018.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46EFF1E5.6040307@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 04:48:39PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 10:28:31AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Should I worry that /dev/hdb1 (the partition I'm trying to mount) has a >>>> Start and End of 1, and that System is Empty?: >>>> >>>> >>> Yes. That looks VERY wrong. Maybe gpart can search for the real >>> partitions and give you what the partition table should be. >>> >> gparted? >> > > No. gpart. > Okay, I installed it with yum. I ran it: [root at p733 chris]# gpart /dev/sdb Begin scan... Possible partition(DOS FAT), size(2999mb), offset(6540mb) End scan. Checking partitions... * Warning: partition(DOS or Windows 95 with 32 bit FAT, LBA) ends beyond disk end. Partition(DOS or Windows 95 with 32 bit FAT, LBA): invalid primary Ok. Guessed primary partition table: Primary partition(1) type: 000(0x00)(unused) size: 0mb #s(0) s(0-0) chs: (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)d (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)r Primary partition(2) type: 000(0x00)(unused) size: 0mb #s(0) s(0-0) chs: (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)d (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)r Primary partition(3) type: 000(0x00)(unused) size: 0mb #s(0) s(0-0) chs: (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)d (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)r Primary partition(4) type: 000(0x00)(unused) size: 0mb #s(0) s(0-0) chs: (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)d (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)r I don't see any evidence of anything on this hard drive... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 15:48:55 2007 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:48:55 +0300 Subject: Recipient verification on exim Message-ID: Pals, I have an issue with forcing exim do sender verification. It always report that recipient are being verified, but that can not be true since its also accepting emails that don't exist in local domain. The user details are stored on mysql. This is the current configuration related to recipient verification Main section acl_smtp_rcpt = acl_check_rcpt ACL section acl_check_rcpt: accept local_parts = postmaster domains = +local_domains require verify = sender accept domains = +local_domains endpass message = unknown user verify = recipient I suspect that Its not working because I haven't specified the uses details, but I can't seem to figure out how to go about it even after extensive google search. Does anyone have a solution of how to go about this problem? I would really be thankful for any pointer. Regards William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 16:03:30 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:03:30 -0400 Subject: Lotus Symphony is a Free Download from IBM Message-ID: <46EFF6D2.3040205@utoronto.ca> Yeah, it's still proprietary, but it supports ODF. Linux and Window downloads with a port for Mac OS X coming. http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.jspa Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 16:27:10 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:27:10 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <46EFF1E5.6040307-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> <20070917131901.GL5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EEE827.7010608@chrisaitken.net> <20070917210018.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EFF1E5.6040307@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070918162710.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 11:42:29AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > Okay, I installed it with yum. I ran it: > > [root at p733 chris]# gpart /dev/sdb > > Begin scan... > Possible partition(DOS FAT), size(2999mb), offset(6540mb) > End scan. > > Checking partitions... > > * Warning: partition(DOS or Windows 95 with 32 bit FAT, LBA) ends beyond > disk end. > Partition(DOS or Windows 95 with 32 bit FAT, LBA): invalid primary > Ok. > > Guessed primary partition table: > Primary partition(1) > type: 000(0x00)(unused) > size: 0mb #s(0) s(0-0) > chs: (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)d (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)r > > Primary partition(2) > type: 000(0x00)(unused) > size: 0mb #s(0) s(0-0) > chs: (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)d (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)r > > Primary partition(3) > type: 000(0x00)(unused) > size: 0mb #s(0) s(0-0) > chs: (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)d (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)r > > Primary partition(4) > type: 000(0x00)(unused) > size: 0mb #s(0) s(0-0) > chs: (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)d (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)r > > I don't see any evidence of anything on this hard drive... Well, do you remember what filesystem you used? How many partitions? Was it using LVM or raid or anything else like that? There are some filesystems gpart doesn't detect so if you used one of those it has no chance of finding them. Did you move the drive from one machine to another or is it still in the same system? Same drive controller? What is the output of fdisk -l /dev/sdb? What about: dd if=/dev/sdb of=/tmp/sdb.scan bs=512 count=100 skip=63;file /tmp/sdb.scan -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 17:08:24 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:08:24 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <20070918162710.GB5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> <20070917131901.GL5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EEE827.7010608@chrisaitken.net> <20070917210018.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EFF1E5.6040307@chrisaitken.net> <20070918162710.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46F00608.9040301@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well, do you remember what filesystem you used? If I chose the filesystem it would have been ext3. Sometimes they are auto-assigned Vol-something (I don't understand that system). > How many partitions? > one > Was it using LVM or raid or anything else like that? I'm not familiar with LVM (I choose No whenever offered that) and certainly it's not RAID. > There are some > filesystems gpart doesn't detect so if you used one of those it has no > chance of finding them. > I didn't choose anything exotic. > Did you move the drive from one machine to another or is it still in the > same system? Same drive controller? > It's still on IDE 1 as slave (I checked that it's still jumpered to slave). > What is the output of fdisk -l /dev/sdb? > [root at p733 chris]# /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sdb Disk /dev/sdb: 10.0 GB, 10005037056 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1216 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 1 1 0 0 Empty Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. > What about: > dd if=/dev/sdb of=/tmp/sdb.scan bs=512 count=100 skip=63;file /tmp/sdb.scan > [root at p733 chris]# dd if=/dev/sdb of=/tmp/sdb.scan bs=512 count=100 skip=63;file /tmp/sdb.scan 100+0 records in 100+0 records out 51200 bytes (51 kB) copied, 0.0327913 s, 1.6 MB/s /tmp/sdb.scan: data Chris > -- > Len Sorensen > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 17:21:42 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:21:42 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <46F00608.9040301-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> <20070917131901.GL5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EEE827.7010608@chrisaitken.net> <20070917210018.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EFF1E5.6040307@chrisaitken.net> <20070918162710.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F00608.9040301@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070918172142.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 01:08:24PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > If I chose the filesystem it would have been ext3. Sometimes they are > auto-assigned Vol-something (I don't understand that system). > > one > > I'm not familiar with LVM (I choose No whenever offered that) and > certainly it's not RAID. > > I didn't choose anything exotic. > > It's still on IDE 1 as slave (I checked that it's still jumpered to slave). So everything says there should be something simple to find, yet everything is acting as if the drive was overwritten by zeros pretty much. > [root at p733 chris]# /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sdb > > Disk /dev/sdb: 10.0 GB, 10005037056 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1216 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sdb1 * 1 1 0 0 Empty > Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. > > [root at p733 chris]# dd if=/dev/sdb of=/tmp/sdb.scan bs=512 count=100 > skip=63;file /tmp/sdb.scan > 100+0 records in > 100+0 records out > 51200 bytes (51 kB) copied, 0.0327913 s, 1.6 MB/s > /tmp/sdb.scan: data Hmm. Well given the geometry of the drive, that is where any first partition would normally start. For example I get: lennartsorensen:~# dd if=/dev/sda of=/tmp/scan bs=512 count=100 skip=63 100+0 records in 100+0 records out 51200 bytes (51 kB) copied, 0.000804977 seconds, 63.6 MB/s lennartsorensen:~# file /tmp/scan /tmp/scan: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery) If you open the /tmp file created in a hex editor is it all 00s or FFs or a bunch of random data? You could try and repeat the dd/file command increasing the skip by 63 at a time, and see if it finds a partition somewhere. Of course if there was an ext3 filesystem there, gpart should have found it. It is very good at finding those. So what kind of files were on the drive before? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 17:32:14 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:32:14 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <20070918172142.GC5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> <20070917131901.GL5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EEE827.7010608@chrisaitken.net> <20070917210018.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EFF1E5.6040307@chrisaitken.net> <20070918162710.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F00608.9040301@chrisaitken.net> <20070918172142.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46F00B9E.6050602@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 01:08:24PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> If I chose the filesystem it would have been ext3. Sometimes they are >> auto-assigned Vol-something (I don't understand that system). >> >> one >> >> I'm not familiar with LVM (I choose No whenever offered that) and >> certainly it's not RAID. >> >> I didn't choose anything exotic. >> >> It's still on IDE 1 as slave (I checked that it's still jumpered to slave). >> > > So everything says there should be something simple to find, yet > everything is acting as if the drive was overwritten by zeros pretty > much. > > >> [root at p733 chris]# /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sdb >> >> Disk /dev/sdb: 10.0 GB, 10005037056 bytes >> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1216 cylinders >> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes >> >> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System >> /dev/sdb1 * 1 1 0 0 Empty >> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. >> >> [root at p733 chris]# dd if=/dev/sdb of=/tmp/sdb.scan bs=512 count=100 >> skip=63;file /tmp/sdb.scan >> 100+0 records in >> 100+0 records out >> 51200 bytes (51 kB) copied, 0.0327913 s, 1.6 MB/s >> /tmp/sdb.scan: data >> > > Hmm. Well given the geometry of the drive, that is where any first > partition would normally start. For example I get: > > lennartsorensen:~# dd if=/dev/sda of=/tmp/scan bs=512 count=100 skip=63 > 100+0 records in > 100+0 records out > 51200 bytes (51 kB) copied, 0.000804977 seconds, 63.6 MB/s > lennartsorensen:~# file /tmp/scan > /tmp/scan: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery) > > If you open the /tmp file created in a hex editor is it all 00s or FFs > or a bunch of random data? > Where do I find this "/tmp" file (I know where the /tmp directory is, of course) and what hex editor might I have on a fedora 7 box? Opening, editing, saving and closing a config file in vi is the extent of my dabbling... > You could try and repeat the dd/file command increasing the skip by 63 > at a time, and see if it finds a partition somewhere. [root at p733 chris]# dd if=/dev/sdb of=/tmp/sdb.scan bs=512 count=100 skip=126;file /tmp/sdb.scan 100+0 records in 100+0 records out 51200 bytes (51 kB) copied, 2.50463 s, 20.4 kB/s /tmp/sdb.scan: data > Of course if > there was an ext3 filesystem there, gpart should have found it. It is > very good at finding those. > > So what kind of files were on the drive before? > .ogg music files, and eighty-plus image files of self-portrait-a-day a friend did while waiting for a liver transplant (for the last eighty -plus days of his life) that never happened. This is not as terrible as it sounds - I think his widow has put out a book of the prints of the paintings - I don't think she'd re-send me the original emails with the eighty-plus attachments, but I could get the book if I really wanted. The songs are more important (or more urgent) because I use them in my guitar instruction. I could start re-building the collection from my students (by ripping/burning them from their CDs) but I'm finding that more and more they are using mp3s which I'm hoping not to have to get into. Also, I never was able to get limewire working under linux - hence my dependence on ripping/burning CDs. Chris > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 18:37:05 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:37:05 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <46F00B9E.6050602-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> <20070917131901.GL5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EEE827.7010608@chrisaitken.net> <20070917210018.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EFF1E5.6040307@chrisaitken.net> <20070918162710.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F00608.9040301@chrisaitken.net> <20070918172142.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F00B9E.6050602@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070918183705.GD5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 01:32:14PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > Where do I find this "/tmp" file (I know where the /tmp directory is, of > course) and what hex editor might I have on a fedora 7 box? Opening, > editing, saving and closing a config file in vi is the extent of my > dabbling... Ehm, the /tmp/sdb.scan made by the dd. > [root at p733 chris]# dd if=/dev/sdb of=/tmp/sdb.scan bs=512 count=100 > skip=126;file /tmp/sdb.scan > 100+0 records in > 100+0 records out > 51200 bytes (51 kB) copied, 2.50463 s, 20.4 kB/s > /tmp/sdb.scan: data Not sure how many jumps up (by one track at a time) is worth trying. > .ogg music files, and eighty-plus image files of self-portrait-a-day a > friend did while waiting for a liver transplant (for the last eighty > -plus days of his life) that never happened. This is not as terrible as > it sounds - I think his widow has put out a book of the prints of the > paintings - I don't think she'd re-send me the original emails with the > eighty-plus attachments, but I could get the book if I really wanted. > The songs are more important (or more urgent) because I use them in my > guitar instruction. I could start re-building the collection from my > students (by ripping/burning them from their CDs) but I'm finding that > more and more they are using mp3s which I'm hoping not to have to get > into. Also, I never was able to get limewire working under linux - hence > my dependence on ripping/burning CDs. Hmm, well it might be possible to search for the files on the disk. Some tools maybe worth trying: Package: foremost Priority: optional Section: admin Installed-Size: 92 Maintainer: Grkan Sengn Architecture: i386 Version: 1.3-1 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) Filename: pool/main/f/foremost/foremost_1.3-1_i386.deb Size: 40680 MD5sum: ef0dc0508bc9bbc89901f0c0843a1c85 SHA1: 60ee132160df5e0f8d471a6efa1c12b992540154 SHA256: 5691418c1ffe697990f1e631a5476242234e655cc74ef45281b752c99b86ad88 Description: Forensics application to recover data foremost is a console program to recover files based on their headers and footers for forensics purposes. . foremost can work on disk image files, such as those generated by dd, Safeback, Encase, etc, or directly on a drive. The headers and footers are specified by a configuration file, so you can pick and choose which headers you want to look for. . Homepage: http://foremost.sourceforge.net/ Tag: admin::recovery, hardware::storage, interface::commandline, role::program, scope::utility, security::forensics, use::scanning Package: sleuthkit Priority: optional Section: admin Installed-Size: 5876 Maintainer: Martin A. Godisch Architecture: i386 Version: 2.06-3 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8b-1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), file, libdate-m anip-perl Filename: pool/main/s/sleuthkit/sleuthkit_2.06-3_i386.deb Size: 2167642 MD5sum: 98f1953c128faffcfccbb13250bb3344 SHA1: f0987595b45a93a611560d4ce51898c189c129d7 SHA256: bf4ddd7eba421c5b3e48d5e82bfd59d07181e4f517df2d75c9c88e4aaa2f034f Description: Tools for forensics analysis The Sleuth Kit (previously known as TASK) is a collection of UNIX-based command line file system and media management forensic analysis tools. The file system tools allow you to examine file systems of a suspect computer in a non-intrusive fashion. Because the tools do not rely on the operating system to process the file systems, deleted and hidden content is shown. . The media management tools allow you to examine the layout of disks and other media. The Sleuth Kit supports DOS partitions, BSD partitions (disk labels), Mac partitions, and Sun slices (Volume Table of Contents). With these tools, you can identify where partitions are located and extract them so that they can be analyzed with file system analysis tools. . When performing a complete analysis of a system, we all know that command line tools can become tedious. The Autopsy Forensic Browser is a graphical interface to the tools in The Sleuth Kit, which allows you to more easily conduct an investigation. Autopsy provides case management, image integrity, keyword searching, and other automated operations. . The Sleuth Kit's upstream homepage can be found at http://www.sleuthkit.org/sleuthkit/. Tag: admin::forensics, interface::commandline, role::program, scope::utility Package: autopsy Priority: optional Section: admin Installed-Size: 1376 Maintainer: Lorenzo Martignoni Architecture: all Version: 2.08-1 Depends: sleuthkit (>= 2.00-1), perl, binutils Filename: pool/main/a/autopsy/autopsy_2.08-1_all.deb Size: 379390 MD5sum: 6d2684e8c2995c701c694d2be34881f5 SHA1: 6c69fa071e730deee1bf6dc64400e93301d142a8 SHA256: 342c2c5b52644c087d4234adc58a20bf520607aea3f8e065423839a6322b762f Description: graphical interface to SleuthKit The Autopsy Forensic Browser is a graphical interface to the command line digital forensic analysis tools in The Sleuth Kit. Together, The Sleuth Kit and Autopsy provide many of the same features as commercial digital forensics tools for the analysis of Windows and UNIX file systems (NTFS, FAT, FFS, EXT2FS, and EXT3FS). Tag: interface::commandline, role::program, scope::utility, security::forensics Package: magicrescue Priority: optional Section: utils Installed-Size: 316 Maintainer: Varun Hiremath Architecture: i386 Version: 1.1.4-3 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libgdbm3 Filename: pool/main/m/magicrescue/magicrescue_1.1.4-3_i386.deb Size: 82626 MD5sum: ec071aa7f908e707f599d7e996117b45 SHA1: 691b362924cecba95c703d4c4311d587e21a9816 SHA256: 17d3bd24434bec7251a4d5ce58c99ef23064cb7efbccef6a06c2c1c1189a9ebd Description: recovers files by looking for magic bytes Magic Rescue scans a block device for file types it knows how to recover and calls an external program to extract them. It looks at "magic bytes" in file contents, so it can be used both as an undelete utility and for recovering a corrupted drive or partition. As long as the file data is there, it will find it. . Homepage: http://jbj.rapanden.dk/magicrescue/ Tag: admin::filesystem, admin::recovery, implemented-in::c, interface::commandline, role::program, scope::utility, use::scanning, works-with::f ile Maybe one of those can find your files. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 21:18:08 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:18:08 -0400 Subject: Lotus Symphony is a Free Download from IBM In-Reply-To: <46EFF6D2.3040205-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EFF6D2.3040205@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On 9/18/07, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Yeah, it's still proprietary, but it supports ODF. Linux and Window > downloads with a port for Mac OS X coming. > > http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.jspa Wow, that's a "blast from the past." I remember preparing financial statements using Symphony, once upon a time. Back then were the days of MS-DOS, and Symphony had the oddity that it implemented everything atop the common "spreadsheet substrate." For instance, word processing was implemented via having each line be a spreadsheet cell; justification and such would lead to words getting shoved from cell to cell, so that it was startlingly slow... I'll bet it is different now - it was definitely wacky back then! -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 21:28:35 2007 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:28:35 -0700 Subject: mp3 players In-Reply-To: <46EFB441.8020300-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200709172109.34132.jab@muskokatech.ca> <1190095393.7649.14.camel@localhost> <46EFB441.8020300@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1190150915.7649.16.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 07:19 -0400, James Knott wrote: > Matt Price wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 21:09 -0400, Jeremy Baker wrote: > > > >> I am currently in the market for an mp3 player for my wife. she uses a linux > >> laptop, so I need it to work with linux. Does anyone on the list have any > >> suggestions? It looks like the ipod is already struck off the list due to > >> its dependency on itunes. > >> > > > > ipods actually work great with linux; i use amarok with no issues, as do > > many others. and you can install rockbox as well if you want (so, > > rewrite the os by flashing the firmware); i don't use it (the ipod > > belongs to MY partner, and she doesn't want any hacking around with it), > > but i understand it's pretty flawless. > > > > > > > There was something in the news recently about new iPods will work only > with iTunes. > already out of date according to slashdot. reverse-engineering alrready a success! m > > -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 21:37:55 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:37:55 -0400 Subject: mp3 players In-Reply-To: <1190150915.7649.16.camel@localhost> References: <200709172109.34132.jab@muskokatech.ca> <1190095393.7649.14.camel@localhost> <46EFB441.8020300@rogers.com> <1190150915.7649.16.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <32f6a8880709181437x3895af91v6ab4bca6e573cc6c@mail.gmail.com> I like the SANDISK E280 :) its got a microsd and you can use rockbox on nit. On 9/18/07, Matt Price wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 07:19 -0400, James Knott wrote: > > Matt Price wrote: > > > On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 21:09 -0400, Jeremy Baker wrote: > > > > > >> I am currently in the market for an mp3 player for my wife. she uses a linux > > >> laptop, so I need it to work with linux. Does anyone on the list have any > > >> suggestions? It looks like the ipod is already struck off the list due to > > >> its dependency on itunes. > > >> > > > > > > ipods actually work great with linux; i use amarok with no issues, as do > > > many others. and you can install rockbox as well if you want (so, > > > rewrite the os by flashing the firmware); i don't use it (the ipod > > > belongs to MY partner, and she doesn't want any hacking around with it), > > > but i understand it's pretty flawless. > > > > > > > > > > > There was something in the news recently about new iPods will work only > > with iTunes. > > > > already out of date according to slashdot. reverse-engineering alrready > a success! > > m > > > > > > -- > Matt Price > History Dept > University of Toronto > matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 21:41:48 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:41:48 -0400 Subject: mp3 players In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880709181437x3895af91v6ab4bca6e573cc6c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200709172109.34132.jab@muskokatech.ca> <1190095393.7649.14.camel@localhost> <46EFB441.8020300@rogers.com> <1190150915.7649.16.camel@localhost> <32f6a8880709181437x3895af91v6ab4bca6e573cc6c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880709181441g2eda1baci9d2921145101761e@mail.gmail.com> The San Disk e280 has 8 gigs with room for a microsd card for more room. If you put rockbox on it you can use it with almost all music formats. Works with MPEG2 video formats. It has many features when you combine rockbox with it. On 9/18/07, Dave Germiquet wrote: > I like the SANDISK E280 :) its got a microsd and you can use rockbox on nit. > > On 9/18/07, Matt Price wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 07:19 -0400, James Knott wrote: > > > Matt Price wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 21:09 -0400, Jeremy Baker wrote: > > > > > > > >> I am currently in the market for an mp3 player for my wife. she uses a linux > > > >> laptop, so I need it to work with linux. Does anyone on the list have any > > > >> suggestions? It looks like the ipod is already struck off the list due to > > > >> its dependency on itunes. > > > >> > > > > > > > > ipods actually work great with linux; i use amarok with no issues, as do > > > > many others. and you can install rockbox as well if you want (so, > > > > rewrite the os by flashing the firmware); i don't use it (the ipod > > > > belongs to MY partner, and she doesn't want any hacking around with it), > > > > but i understand it's pretty flawless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was something in the news recently about new iPods will work only > > > with iTunes. > > > > > > > already out of date according to slashdot. reverse-engineering alrready > > a success! > > > > m > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Matt Price > > History Dept > > University of Toronto > > matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 21:41:11 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:41:11 -0400 Subject: pirut Message-ID: <46F045F7.5020501@chrisaitken.net> I am trying to open pirut (Add/Remove Software) in fedora 7. Nothing happens. f [fedora menu] > Add/Remove Software brings up a pirut message that asks for root password, I enter it and...nothing. No error - nothing. I tried opening a terminal and running pirut from there. Nothing - just stays like this forever (I guess): [chris at p733 ~]$ su Password: [root at p733 chris]# pirut The last few lines of ps ax are: 36 ? S 0:00 /sbin/pam_timestamp_check -d root 2547 ? S 0:00 /usr/libexec/wnck-applet --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GN 2552 ? S 0:00 /usr/libexec/mapping-daemon 2555 ? S 0:01 /usr/bin/python -E /usr/bin/sealert -s 2561 ? S 0:00 /usr/libexec/notification-area-applet --oaf-activate- 2563 ? S 0:00 /usr/libexec/fast-user-switch-applet --oaf-activate-i 2565 ? S 0:00 /usr/libexec/clock-applet --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:G 2567 ? S 0:00 /usr/libexec/mixer_applet2 --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID: 2572 ? S 0:00 /usr/libexec/gam_server 2574 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/pirut 2575 ? S 0:00 /usr/sbin/userhelper -w pirut 2579 ? S 0:04 /usr/bin/python -tt /usr/sbin/pirut 2582 ? Ss 0:00 gnome-screensaver 2588 ? Sl 0:00 gnome-terminal 2590 ? S 0:00 gnome-pty-helper 2591 pts/1 Ss 0:00 bash 2618 pts/1 R+ 0:00 ps ax I tried logging out and in again. I tried a warm boot. Any ideas? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kmastin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 19 22:16:11 2007 From: kmastin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (keith) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:16:11 -0400 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <46ea91fa.0f2b400a.6e5c.ffff8a61-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46ea91fa.0f2b400a.6e5c.ffff8a61@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1190240171.3727.4.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2007-14-09 at 09:51 -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of David > > Payne > > Sent: Thursday 13 September 2007 14:22 > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Re: TLUG spam > > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 01:56:55PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > > Is there is a way to configure a list server to accept only PGP signed > > > messages? That way, even if someone spoofs the email address of a > > > subscriber, it would not do him any good unless he also has the PGP key > > > of the subscriber. > > > > A lot of people don't sign their emails with a PGP key. It > > would make it more difficult for new people to sign up to > > the list. > > Much as I love PGP/GPG, it will never work for what I do. The biggest > problem being that I don't use a computer. I use many computers, both > simultaneously and in series. My Linux workstation gets used when I'm at > home, the tablet on the road, and gmail when away. So where do I store my > private key? I personally wouldn't trust it on anything other than my home > workstation, and that limits my ability send mail to about 25% of the time. You should be able to import your keys, no? Keith -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 22:40:15 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:40:15 -0400 Subject: IBM Lotus Symphony Message-ID: <46F053CF.9080903@rogers.com> Those who have Lotus Smart Suite files may be interested in this. As I understand it, it's Smart Suite updated to work with ODF. Linux and Windows versions are available. http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.jspa -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 22:55:52 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:55:52 -0400 Subject: IBM Lotus Symphony In-Reply-To: <46F053CF.9080903-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F053CF.9080903@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 9/18/07, James Knott wrote: > Those who have Lotus Smart Suite files may be interested in this. As I > understand it, it's Smart Suite updated to work with ODF. Linux and > Windows versions are available. > > http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.jspa Interesting... I messed with it long enough to get it to run once... It's a Java app, running atop great wads of Eclipse code. Uses GTK+ GUI. Unfortunately, I can't figure out how to get it to run a *second* time. It started up as root (required!!!), set itself up in /opt/ibm, and claims to have laid down links, somewhere. Not in /usr/bin, evidently... It's whopping big, but doesn't seem slower than OpenOffice (mind you, OpenOffice is pretty portly ;-)). -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 23:03:55 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:03:55 -0400 Subject: mp3 players In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880709181441g2eda1baci9d2921145101761e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200709172109.34132.jab@muskokatech.ca> <1190095393.7649.14.camel@localhost> <46EFB441.8020300@rogers.com> <1190150915.7649.16.camel@localhost> <32f6a8880709181437x3895af91v6ab4bca6e573cc6c@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880709181441g2eda1baci9d2921145101761e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/18/07, Dave Germiquet wrote: > The San Disk e280 has 8 gigs with room for a microsd card for more room. > > If you put rockbox on it you can use it with almost all music formats. > Works with MPEG2 video formats. > > It has many features when you combine rockbox with it. How usable is rockbox on it? I tried installing rockbox on my iPod, and found that nearly unusable :-( The iAudio/Cowan unit looks mighty interesting with the rather larger screen, but again, if rockbox is as (not) good as it seems to be on the iPod, that's not much of an answer... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 23:04:32 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:04:32 -0400 Subject: IBM Lotus Symphony In-Reply-To: References: <46F053CF.9080903@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46F05980.7010208@telly.org> So, they finally got around to releasing a Linux version of Lotus 123. A little late, but what the heck... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 23:06:01 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:06:01 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Mandriva Linux 2008 Installfest: November 17th, 2007] Message-ID: <46F059D9.9000003@telly.org> Is there any TLUG interest in this? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Mandriva Linux 2008 Installfest: November 17th, 2007 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:20:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Mandriva Team To: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Mandriva Linux 2008 will be released soon! In order to celebrate this event, to bring Linux to new users and present the new features available in Mandriva Linux 2008, Mandriva would like to coordinate a worldwide Installfest on November 17th, 2007. Expert Mandriva Linux users are invited to assist beginners to help them get started with the operating system. Participants will be able to get help on installing Mandriva Linux 2008 on their laptop or desktop, get all answers to their questions and meet other Linux users. If you would like to hold an install party in your country, please contact lugs-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org and we will send send you: * Mandriva Linux One 2008 * stickers * posters * pens * electronic communication kit Check out all the information on Mandriva Community wiki : http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Community/Events/Installfest2008 If you have any question concerning the event, do not hesitate to contact us at lugs-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsgRtnQ8X5fEL at public.gmane.org The Mandriva Team -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 23:18:41 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:18:41 -0400 Subject: Lotus Symphony is a Free Download from IBM In-Reply-To: References: <46EFF6D2.3040205@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <46F05CD1.205@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > On 9/18/07, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > >> Yeah, it's still proprietary, but it supports ODF. Linux and Window >> downloads with a port for Mac OS X coming. >> >> http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.jspa >> > > Wow, that's a "blast from the past." I remember preparing financial > statements using Symphony, once upon a time. Back then were the days > of MS-DOS, and Symphony had the oddity that it implemented everything > atop the common "spreadsheet substrate." > > For instance, word processing was implemented via having each line be > a spreadsheet cell; justification and such would lead to words getting > shoved from cell to cell, so that it was startlingly slow... > > I'll bet it is different now - it was definitely wacky back then! > How does Symphony compare with Smart Suite? I used to use Smart Suite, when I worked at IBM and I also have an old copy of Smart Suite for OS/2 here. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 23:27:19 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:27:19 -0400 Subject: mp3 players In-Reply-To: References: <200709172109.34132.jab@muskokatech.ca> <1190095393.7649.14.camel@localhost> <46EFB441.8020300@rogers.com> <1190150915.7649.16.camel@localhost> <32f6a8880709181437x3895af91v6ab4bca6e573cc6c@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880709181441g2eda1baci9d2921145101761e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880709181627s37fdd7a8kb6e9bcbf31a18702@mail.gmail.com> What problems did you have with rockbox? What version where you using? I have no problems with rockbox. The default build is a bit limited to what it can do, you can download custom builds from the forums or build it yourself with your own patches pretty easily enuff. It may look ugly but if you download some of the themes it makes it pretty :) Here's some rockbox themes web site: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/ Its got alot of games to (if you like those) it can play mpeg videos (even on a nano which was interesting). The battery life is my only complaint :) On 9/18/07, Christopher Browne wrote: > On 9/18/07, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > The San Disk e280 has 8 gigs with room for a microsd card for more room. > > > > If you put rockbox on it you can use it with almost all music formats. > > Works with MPEG2 video formats. > > > > It has many features when you combine rockbox with it. > > How usable is rockbox on it? > > I tried installing rockbox on my iPod, and found that nearly unusable :-( > > The iAudio/Cowan unit looks mighty interesting with the rather larger > screen, but again, if rockbox is as (not) good as it seems to be on > the iPod, that's not much of an answer... > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." > (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 23:28:33 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:28:33 -0400 Subject: mp3 players In-Reply-To: References: <200709172109.34132.jab@muskokatech.ca> <1190095393.7649.14.camel@localhost> <46EFB441.8020300@rogers.com> <1190150915.7649.16.camel@localhost> <32f6a8880709181437x3895af91v6ab4bca6e573cc6c@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880709181441g2eda1baci9d2921145101761e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880709181628h67b2b8ddj4ebae54d6da52dca@mail.gmail.com> I forgot to mention ROCKBOX is generally the same on all platforms. You can even make your own theme... You can make playlists, using the menu on the San Disk i think there should be similiar options on IPOD as they are pretty general right. Check the manual. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 18 23:54:15 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:54:15 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Mandriva Linux 2008 Installfest: November 17th, 2007] In-Reply-To: <46F059D9.9000003-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46F059D9.9000003@telly.org> Message-ID: <20070918195415.42f1cbe8@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Is there any TLUG interest in this? Sure, I've been using Mandriva for a few years now and have accumulated some degree of in-depth knowledge of its...uh...weirdness ;) I sure wouldn't mind helping out, and by that point I'll also have gotten my mitts on a new SATA drive and would likely be wanting to do an install myself. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "I'm gonna go build my own theme park... with blackjack and hookers! In fact, forget the park!" -Bender -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 19 04:18:48 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Juan Reed) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:18:48 -0500 Subject: Repl1ca r0lex w4tches! SAVE Big! Message-ID: Everybody knows that a Cart1er w4tch is a silent statement of wealth and luxury. But we all know as well that the price of putting one of them on your wrist is for the most unaffordable by the average Joe. That??s why repl1ca Cart1er w4tches are becoming more and more popular by the day. They??re actually the affordable solution to this dilemma. And thanks to the internet, there is now a place where the highest quality Cart1er repl1cas are available: Prest1ge Repl1cas. So, why not take a look at the extensive inventory that this site has to offer? After all, browsing through their hundreds of Cart1er w4tches is absolutely free, and buying the one of your dreams is simply inexpensive. http://www.iiekwjnn.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 19 03:29:19 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Processors looking for a good home In-Reply-To: <46ee89c6.0d2b400a.7ace.ffff97ee-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46ee89c6.0d2b400a.7ace.ffff97ee@mx.google.com> Message-ID: | Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:06:08 -0400 | From: Kareem Shehata | Reply-To: | To: | Subject: [TLUG]: Processors looking for a good home | | Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but wanted to give back in | a small way to this list. I have two processors that I have no current use | for, and was thinking of selling. If you can find a good use for them, | they're yours. | | 1) Athlon XP 2500+ and heatsink | | 2) Celeron D 2.0GHz (?) Socket 478, no heat sink I actually have an empty Socket 478. A motherboard that I've never used. So I'd be interested in your Celeron CPU. But my need is low priority -- if someone else wants it, do consider them first. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 19 03:48:19 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Processors looking for a good home In-Reply-To: References: <46ee89c6.0d2b400a.7ace.ffff97ee@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Damn newbie. ReplyTo got me again. That was meant for Kareem. | Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:29:19 -0400 (EDT) | From: D. Hugh Redelmeier | Reply-To: | To: | Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Processors looking for a good home | | | Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:06:08 -0400 | | From: Kareem Shehata | | Reply-To: | | To: | | Subject: [TLUG]: Processors looking for a good home | | | | Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but wanted to give back in | | a small way to this list. I have two processors that I have no current use | | for, and was thinking of selling. If you can find a good use for them, | | they're yours. | | | | 1) Athlon XP 2500+ and heatsink | | | | 2) Celeron D 2.0GHz (?) Socket 478, no heat sink | | I actually have an empty Socket 478. A motherboard that I've never | used. | | So I'd be interested in your Celeron CPU. But my need is low priority | -- if someone else wants it, do consider them first. | -- | The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ | TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns | How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists | -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 19 17:57:39 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Tisha Mcallister) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:57:39 -0500 Subject: Delightful repl1ca w4tches at Prest1ge Repl1cas Message-ID: Have you always wanted a R0lex, but don??t want to pay high prices for a brand name w4tch? Then you need to visit Prest1ge Repl1cas, a website dedicated exclusively to high quality repl1cas, with the most extensive inventory on the web and a proven track record of satisfied customers. http://www.uwuwysuh.com/ Prest1ge Repl1cas offers hundreds of R0lex repl1ca w4tches starting just above $100, and during this fall season, their already low prices have been slashed by 15 percent! No matter which model R0lex you choose, their 15% discount applies to them all! 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 19 19:44:17 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:44:17 -0400 Subject: mp3 players In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880709181627s37fdd7a8kb6e9bcbf31a18702-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200709172109.34132.jab@muskokatech.ca> <1190095393.7649.14.camel@localhost> <46EFB441.8020300@rogers.com> <1190150915.7649.16.camel@localhost> <32f6a8880709181437x3895af91v6ab4bca6e573cc6c@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880709181441g2eda1baci9d2921145101761e@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880709181627s37fdd7a8kb6e9bcbf31a18702@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/18/07, Dave Germiquet wrote: > What problems did you have with rockbox? What version where you using? I installed it on an iPod 5g (e.g. - video iPod)... Version r14733-070917 (e.g. - "current" as of 2 days ago). One issue: Boy, the themes they include are *ugly*. When I first tried it out, I couldn't get it to access songs that it would actually play. There seems to be some issue that some MP3s that are on the unit wind up briefly playing gibberish. I'm persisting, which seems to pay off at least somewhat... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 19 20:41:37 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:41:37 -0400 Subject: mp3 players In-Reply-To: References: <200709172109.34132.jab@muskokatech.ca> <1190095393.7649.14.camel@localhost> <46EFB441.8020300@rogers.com> <1190150915.7649.16.camel@localhost> <32f6a8880709181437x3895af91v6ab4bca6e573cc6c@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880709181441g2eda1baci9d2921145101761e@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880709181627s37fdd7a8kb6e9bcbf31a18702@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880709191341y7461a53dvc792c1103e798906@mail.gmail.com> Hi Chris, I've never had that problem. I found it can be all sorts of music types which can be found on there web site. If its case sensitive or are you sure its stored as a .mp3? All my music plays corrrectly. I've used grip for the graphical frontend of my encode files. Try the irc chat on irc.freenode.net they may be able to help you. #rockbox and #rockbox-community On 9/19/07, Christopher Browne wrote: > On 9/18/07, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > What problems did you have with rockbox? What version where you using? > > I installed it on an iPod 5g (e.g. - video iPod)... > > Version r14733-070917 (e.g. - "current" as of 2 days ago). > > One issue: Boy, the themes they include are *ugly*. > > When I first tried it out, I couldn't get it to access songs that it > would actually play. There seems to be some issue that some MP3s that > are on the unit wind up briefly playing gibberish. > > I'm persisting, which seems to pay off at least somewhat... > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." > (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 19 20:36:12 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:36:12 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <20070918183705.GD5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> <20070917131901.GL5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EEE827.7010608@chrisaitken.net> <20070917210018.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EFF1E5.6040307@chrisaitken.net> <20070918162710.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F00608.9040301@chrisaitken.net> <20070918172142.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F00B9E.6050602@chrisaitken.net> <20070918183705.GD5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46F1883C.6080505@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 01:32:14PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Where do I find this "/tmp" file (I know where the /tmp directory is, of >> course) and what hex editor might I have on a fedora 7 box? Opening, >> editing, saving and closing a config file in vi is the extent of my >> dabbling... >> > > Ehm, the /tmp/sdb.scan made by the dd. > Okay, I'm trying to install a hex editor to see the contents of that file. Does the following mean that yum can't find shed, that it can't find one for my distro, yum's not working, or what? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 19 22:19:46 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:19:46 -0400 Subject: An article on "being positive" Message-ID: http://www.raiden.net/?cat=2&aid=302 It makes a cogent thesis to the effect that: "we need to silence our rantings against Microsoft" I think it makes an excellent point. When I hear people at TLUG meeting rant against Microsoft, they tend to make me think they are raving lunatics. ------------ It'd be like me running through town and screaming, "Don't eat cereal! It's bad for you! Eat grass instead!" ------------ The author suggests that you need to be saying why grass is better; I think he's right without going there. Anyone that runs around screaming "Microsoft bad!" is undermining any position they wanted to make. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 19 22:53:44 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:53:44 -0700 Subject: An article on "being positive" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a97ef0709191553i2818bdd0i681d82856c2f8d65@mail.gmail.com> I'd tend to agree. We have some of the more "outspoken" linux enthusiasts here where I work, and sometimes the word that pops into my head is "rabid." It definitely goes too far in some cases as well, where there are outright statements of "we could support windows better, but if we let it slide and screw up more that will promote Linux better." Personally, I'd rather just have Linux promote itself on its own merits, of which there are plenty. Unfortunately, the old "SD is for those that love Unix. Linux is for those that hate Windows" tends to run fairly true at times :-) On 9/19/07, Christopher Browne wrote: > http://www.raiden.net/?cat=2&aid=302 > > It makes a cogent thesis to the effect that: > "we need to silence our rantings against Microsoft" > > I think it makes an excellent point. When I hear people at TLUG > meeting rant against Microsoft, they tend to make me think they are > raving lunatics. > > ------------ > It'd be like me running through town and screaming, "Don't eat cereal! > It's bad for you! Eat grass instead!" > ------------ > > The author suggests that you need to be saying why grass is better; I > think he's right without going there. Anyone that runs around > screaming "Microsoft bad!" is undermining any position they wanted to > make. > > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." > (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 19 23:12:57 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:12:57 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <46F1883C.6080505-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EEE827.7010608@chrisaitken.net> <20070917210018.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EFF1E5.6040307@chrisaitken.net> <20070918162710.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F00608.9040301@chrisaitken.net> <20070918172142.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F00B9E.6050602@chrisaitken.net> <20070918183705.GD5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F1883C.6080505@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: mc (midnight commander) is a great tool I use possibly for 10 years on Linux. It allows. between 1000 other things, to view and edit binary content. Must be installed separately. zb. On 9/19/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 01:32:14PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > > > >> Where do I find this "/tmp" file (I know where the /tmp directory is, of > >> course) and what hex editor might I have on a fedora 7 box? Opening, > >> editing, saving and closing a config file in vi is the extent of my > >> dabbling... > >> > > > > Ehm, the /tmp/sdb.scan made by the dd. > > > Okay, I'm trying to install a hex editor to see the contents of that > file. Does the following mean that yum can't find shed, that it can't > find one for my distro, yum's not working, or what? > > Chris > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 20 01:22:40 2007 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:22:40 -0400 Subject: Weird e-mail [Fwd: 996 Mountcastle Cr] Message-ID: <46F1CB60.2080508@sympatico.ca> Hey folks; What should I make of this email? I don't know a Heather Smyth. Is it likely that someone is just having a bit of fun using someone else's email address? John. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Heather Smyth Subject: 996 Mountcastle Cr Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Size: 2913 URL: From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 20 01:37:25 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:37:25 -0400 Subject: weird e-mail Message-ID: <46F1CED5.5070608@rogers.com> It may me nothing but a bad joke, but if you have a wireless network you should enable WPA and / or change your network access key immediately. It's not worth the risk to leave things as is. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 20 01:34:02 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:34:02 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: References: <46EEE827.7010608@chrisaitken.net> <20070917210018.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EFF1E5.6040307@chrisaitken.net> <20070918162710.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F00608.9040301@chrisaitken.net> <20070918172142.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F00B9E.6050602@chrisaitken.net> <20070918183705.GD5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F1883C.6080505@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46F1CE0A.5060508@chrisaitken.net> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > mc (midnight commander) is a great tool I use possibly for 10 years on > Linux. It allows. between 1000 other things, to view and edit binary > content. Must be installed separately. > Okay, I installed it. Do I view the file as such?: mc /tmp/sdb.scan ? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 20 02:08:43 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:08:43 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <46F1CE0A.5060508-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EFF1E5.6040307@chrisaitken.net> <20070918162710.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F00608.9040301@chrisaitken.net> <20070918172142.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F00B9E.6050602@chrisaitken.net> <20070918183705.GD5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F1883C.6080505@chrisaitken.net> <46F1CE0A.5060508@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: after typing mc in terminal you get mc opened with a listhing of your current directory, and with listing of some another directory ob ridth hand side. Move to your file by using arrow keys, TAB, and ENTER. Navigation there is very intuitive. When you are over your file, peess F4. to go into editing mode. One has to play with it somewhat. zb. On 9/19/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > mc (midnight commander) is a great tool I use possibly for 10 years on > > Linux. It allows. between 1000 other things, to view and edit binary > > content. Must be installed separately. > > > Okay, I installed it. Do I view the file as such?: > > mc /tmp/sdb.scan > > ? > > Chris > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 20 03:32:52 2007 From: interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Interlug Lists) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:32:52 -0400 Subject: Ontario Linux Fest Message-ID: <408ae1640709192032n550cf714q1e94545c523c96f6@mail.gmail.com> Time for another update from the Ontario Linux Fest organizing committee. Folks, I thought that I had a lot to report last time. The week since then leads me to believe that I won't need any more sleep before the 'fest. This week has been THAT exciting. Allow me to share my excitement. Research In Motion goes Platinum at Ontario Linux Fest. Everybody recognizes the ubiquitous BlackBerry devices on the hips of the well-connected, in offices, in movies and just about everywhere else. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 20 19:57:57 2007 From: fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Salman Ahmed) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT: How many internal IDE drives maximum off of an ATX power supply? Message-ID: <826067.5854.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> What's the maximum number of IDE (UltraDMA 100/133) drives that I can safely power from a ATX power supply (assuming that you have enough IDE/UDMA connectors of course)? I have an old PIII system (Abit BH6) in an ATX case that currently has 3 UltraDMA 100/133 hard drives connected to a Promise UltraDMA 133 controller card. And I am wondering if it's OK to add a 4th such HD in there without running into any power supply issues. I am not sure what the wattage is of the power supply in the case but it is an ATX case. This system does not have an optical drive and the 3 HDs connected to the Promise controller card are only ones in there presently. Thanks. Salman Ahmed ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 20 20:18:22 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:18:22 -0400 Subject: OT: How many internal IDE drives maximum off of an ATX power supply? In-Reply-To: <826067.5854.qm-r6rlgsx/m2yB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <826067.5854.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7ac602420709201318k4a6ab139j381e5d306e24a1b7@mail.gmail.com> I could be wrong here, but I think the answer comes down to how much power your power supply can supply, and how much power your drives (and other components) consume. I think you need to find out what the power supply's wattage is. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 20 20:24:38 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:24:38 -0700 Subject: OT: How many internal IDE drives maximum off of an ATX power supply? In-Reply-To: <826067.5854.qm-r6rlgsx/m2yB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <826067.5854.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709201324t4d7f4612xb977c7de9cc1099c@mail.gmail.com> It depends on the power-supply and the wattage rating, as well as the voltage on each rail of the PSU as well. On 9/20/07, Salman Ahmed wrote: > What's the maximum number of IDE (UltraDMA 100/133) drives that I can > safely power from a ATX power supply (assuming that you have enough > IDE/UDMA connectors of course)? > > I have an old PIII system (Abit BH6) in an ATX case that currently has > 3 UltraDMA 100/133 hard drives connected to a Promise UltraDMA 133 > controller card. And I am wondering if it's OK to add a 4th such HD in > there without running into any power supply issues. > > I am not sure what the wattage is of the power supply in the case but > it is an ATX case. This system does not have an optical drive and the 3 > HDs connected to the Promise controller card are only ones in there > presently. > > Thanks. > > > Salman Ahmed > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 20 20:41:52 2007 From: fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Salman Ahmed) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT: How many internal IDE drives maximum off of an ATX power supply? In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709201324t4d7f4612xb977c7de9cc1099c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0709201324t4d7f4612xb977c7de9cc1099c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <144847.23785.qm@web51809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Tyler Aviss wrote: > It depends on the power-supply and the wattage rating, as well as the > voltage on each rail of the PSU as well. > I'll check the wattage rating of the PSU tonight, but how do I check the voltage on each rail of the PSU? Also, how can I find out how much power each individual HD consumes? Thanks. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 20 20:52:56 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:52:56 -0400 Subject: OT: How many internal IDE drives maximum off of an ATX power supply? In-Reply-To: <826067.5854.qm-r6rlgsx/m2yB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <826067.5854.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46F2DDA8.5070600@alteeve.com> Salman Ahmed wrote: > What's the maximum number of IDE (UltraDMA 100/133) drives that I can > safely power from a ATX power supply (assuming that you have enough > IDE/UDMA connectors of course)? > > I have an old PIII system (Abit BH6) in an ATX case that currently has > 3 UltraDMA 100/133 hard drives connected to a Promise UltraDMA 133 > controller card. And I am wondering if it's OK to add a 4th such HD in > there without running into any power supply issues. > > I am not sure what the wattage is of the power supply in the case but > it is an ATX case. This system does not have an optical drive and the 3 > HDs connected to the Promise controller card are only ones in there > presently. > > Thanks. > > > Salman Ahmed Look up the max volt-amps drawn by each drive for the 5vDC and 12vDC rails. Then look at the maximum amps available on each rail (5vDC and 12vDC). I really doubt it, but you may have multiple 12vDC rails which will have their own max draw plus a combined max draw across all rails. Lastly, you will need to determine how much amperage draw the rest of your system draws on the 5vDC and 12vDC rails, and make sure those plus the combined draw of your HDDs doesn't exceed the max draw of your PSU. Lastly, it is important to realize that switching PSUs have a curve of efficiency. *Generally*, PSUs are most efficient around the 75%-85% range. Most better PSU companies will show you an efficiency graph. One thing to understand, that *many* people miss, is that "wattage" on PSUs is often *very* deceptive and often flat out misleading. I've seen 500w cheap PSUs fail long before a well built 350w PSU. Shady PSU makers love to play fast and loose with their wattage by doing things like saying 500w PSU!!! (*max 350w on the 12vDC and 5vDC rails). So long answer short; it depends on the quality of your PSU and the max amperage available on the 12vDC rail mainly, with the 5vDC rail being important but much less so. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 20 20:54:38 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:54:38 -0400 Subject: OT: How many internal IDE drives maximum off of an ATX power supply? In-Reply-To: <144847.23785.qm-M5rHUMlkD8GB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <144847.23785.qm@web51809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46F2DE0E.4090707@alteeve.com> Salman Ahmed wrote: > --- Tyler Aviss wrote: > >> It depends on the power-supply and the wattage rating, as well as the >> voltage on each rail of the PSU as well. >> > > I'll check the wattage rating of the PSU tonight, but how do I check > the voltage on each rail of the PSU? > > Also, how can I find out how much power each individual HD consumes? > > Thanks. Generally this information is made available by the makers of the HDDs and PSU. Sometimes this info is on the stickers on the devices themselves. Remember to account for the draw from the rest of your system! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 00:24:40 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Carly Cline) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:24:40 -0500 Subject: Your Val1um 0rder #5736432 Message-ID: We Present you a US Licensed Online Pharm4cy St0re. Huge Disc0unts for next five days!!! Phenterm1ne - as low as $6.30 Cial1s S0ft Tabs - as low as $7.30 Amb1en - as low as $3.60 V1agra S0ft Tabs - as low as $4.10 Val1um - as low as $3.30 Cial1s - as low as $6.00 Xan4x - as low as $3.80 Merid1a - as low as $4.40 We have lightspeed delivery and respect your privacy! 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 00:34:01 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:34:01 -0400 Subject: fun with GPL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99a6c38f0709201734x17c59f7che58421d0a2349a90@mail.gmail.com> On 9/5/07, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Poking at a company apparently violating the GPL: > http://myhava.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=499 > Notice how they poke back. Notice how the Software Freedom Law Center pokes back too. I lost track of this thread in the excitement (and fallout) of Startup Weekend Toronto, but now it looks like the Hava situation has turned into something more. And not even just a suit, but the first in US history involving the GPL: http://technocrat.net/d/2007/9/20/27216 -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 01:07:50 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:07:50 -0400 Subject: OT: How many internal IDE drives maximum off of an ATX power supply? In-Reply-To: <826067.5854.qm-r6rlgsx/m2yB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <826067.5854.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1190336870.5423.188.camel@stan64.site> another issue is they will surge for more power on startup, hence the support for staggered start up features in controllers.. you need maybe double? the ability for when you boot up, once they spin up, the juice is alot less. you should see if the controller has staggered ability. I have run 12 drives in a box before, with a 650 i think. i currently run 5 HD in my day to day system with just a stock PS, not sure how many amp it is, but is a typical PS for new computers that have beefy vid card needs. if it starts up and gets past spin up with out smoking you system, then you are good to go. :) -tl On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 12:57 -0700, Salman Ahmed wrote: > What's the maximum number of IDE (UltraDMA 100/133) drives that I can > safely power from a ATX power supply (assuming that you have enough > IDE/UDMA connectors of course)? > > I have an old PIII system (Abit BH6) in an ATX case that currently has > 3 UltraDMA 100/133 hard drives connected to a Promise UltraDMA 133 > controller card. And I am wondering if it's OK to add a 4th such HD in > there without running into any power supply issues. > > I am not sure what the wattage is of the power supply in the case but > it is an ATX case. This system does not have an optical drive and the 3 > HDs connected to the Promise controller card are only ones in there > presently. > > Thanks. > > > Salman Ahmed > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From paul-fQIO8zZcxYtFkWKT+BUv2w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 01:17:04 2007 From: paul-fQIO8zZcxYtFkWKT+BUv2w at public.gmane.org (Paul Nash) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:17:04 -0400 Subject: Where to get Bix and 110 tools? Message-ID: I'm looking for a store (pref downtown, 'cos I'm there several times a week) that has decent quality Bix and 110 punchdown tools. Any suggestions? I have all the RJxx crimp tools that I will ever need, but my trusty Krone tools don't work on Canadian terminations. paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 01:31:32 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Where to get Bix and 110 tools? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <647630.66745.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Paul Nash wrote: > I'm looking for a store (pref downtown, 'cos I'm > there several times a > week) that has decent quality Bix and 110 punchdown > tools. Any > suggestions? I have all the RJxx crimp tools that I > will ever need, but my > trusty Krone tools don't work on Canadian > terminations. > > paul Well, Active Surplus (on Queen St. near Spadina) is hit-or-miss they sometimes have that soft of telco gear, but you can't count on them for it. On the other hand Active Components (on Victoria Park near Steeles) can pretty much be counted on for this sort of stuff. Further if Active Components doesn't have an telco tool Electrosonic, or Sayal, both of which are an under 10 minute walk away from Active Components likely will have it. I would start with Active Components, and if that doesn't work, start walking (but not far :-) ). Colin McGregor > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 02:35:08 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: How many internal IDE drives maximum off of an ATX power supply? In-Reply-To: <144847.23785.qm-M5rHUMlkD8GB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <144847.23785.qm@web51809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <241833.4194.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Salman Ahmed wrote: > --- Tyler Aviss wrote: > > > It depends on the power-supply and the wattage > rating, as well as the > > voltage on each rail of the PSU as well. > > > > I'll check the wattage rating of the PSU tonight, > but how do I check > the voltage on each rail of the PSU? > > Also, how can I find out how much power each > individual HD consumes? This information should be printed somewhere in the fine print on the drive. For example I have an old 15 GB hard drive handy that lists: RATED: 5V 300mA, 12V 500mA Or 0.3 Amps at 5V and 0.5 Amps at 12V for that particular old drive. The BIG current draw in a typical recent PC will be the motherboard and the CPU in particular. Some recent CPU can consume over 100 watts when running under load... Colin McGregor > Thanks. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - > their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! > Games. > http://sims.yahoo.com/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 02:36:57 2007 From: fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Salman Ahmed) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT: How many internal IDE drives maximum off of an ATX power supply? In-Reply-To: <46F2DDA8.5070600-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46F2DDA8.5070600@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <583691.77711.qm@web51809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Madison Kelly wrote: > > So long answer short; it depends on the quality of your PSU and the > max > amperage available on the 12vDC rail mainly, with the 5vDC rail being > > important but much less so. > > Madi Thanks for the detailed info Madison - obviously I am close to pushing the limits of the PSU if I add the 4th HD, or perhaps it'll Just Work. This is an old system - the case is circa 99-00, so I doubt the PSU can handle much more than what's already in there. So perhaps I am better off just swapping out the smallest HD in there right now and putting in the bigger one that I was going to add. Thanks! Cheers, Salman Ahmed ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 05:44:39 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:44:39 +0000 Subject: fun with GPL In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0709201734x17c59f7che58421d0a2349a90-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709201734x17c59f7che58421d0a2349a90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709202244k6c2cda6aicc6073afe4e4d6b4@mail.gmail.com> See here for slashdot article: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/20/2229252 *sniff* almost brings a tear to your eyes, doesn't it? On 9/21/07, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 9/5/07, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > Poking at a company apparently violating the GPL: > > http://myhava.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=499 > > Notice how they poke back. > > Notice how the Software Freedom Law Center pokes back too. > > I lost track of this thread in the excitement (and fallout) of Startup > Weekend Toronto, but now it looks like the Hava situation has turned > into something more. And not even just a suit, but the first in US > history involving the GPL: > > http://technocrat.net/d/2007/9/20/27216 > > -- > Scott Elcomb > http://www.psema4.com/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 06:16:50 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 02:16:50 -0400 Subject: fun with GPL In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709202244k6c2cda6aicc6073afe4e4d6b4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709201734x17c59f7che58421d0a2349a90@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef0709202244k6c2cda6aicc6073afe4e4d6b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070921021650.07b9c9c4@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Tyler Aviss wrote: > See here for slashdot article: > > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/20/2229252 > > *sniff* almost brings a tear to your eyes, doesn't it? Wow. Hugh is apparently a 'third party' (as in 'these dolts were notified in their forums by third parties...') as described in the lawsuit. He's faaamous! Watch out Hugh, don't let the crazy parties with Paris Hilton make you all jaded ;) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Leela: Bender, maybe you can interface with the Femputer and reprogram it to let them go. Bender: Maybe you can interface with my ass... by biting it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 10:31:03 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:31:03 -0400 Subject: Where to get Bix and 110 tools? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46F39D67.90306@rogers.com> Paul Nash wrote: > I'm looking for a store (pref downtown, 'cos I'm there several times a > week) that has decent quality Bix and 110 punchdown tools. Any > suggestions? I have all the RJxx crimp tools that I will ever need, but my > trusty Krone tools don't work on Canadian terminations. > I don't think they're downtown, but you could try Sayal, Graybar or Nedco. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 14:34:18 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Alexis Mcdonough) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:34:18 -0500 Subject: Your Phenterm1ne 0rder #98848 Message-ID: We Present you a US Licensed Online Pharm4cy St0re. Huge Disc0unts for next five days!!! Phenterm1ne - as low as $6.30 Cial1s S0ft Tabs - as low as $7.30 Amb1en - as low as $3.60 V1agra S0ft Tabs - as low as $4.10 Val1um - as low as $3.30 Cial1s - as low as $6.00 Xan4x - as low as $3.80 Merid1a - as low as $4.40 We have lightspeed delivery and respect your privacy! Check US He4lthc4re Inc. at: http://www.speowwiiw.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 14:30:19 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:30:19 -0400 Subject: IBM Lotus Symphony In-Reply-To: References: <46F053CF.9080903@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070921143019.GE5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 06:55:52PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > Interesting... I messed with it long enough to get it to run once... > > It's a Java app, running atop great wads of Eclipse code. Uses GTK+ GUI. > > Unfortunately, I can't figure out how to get it to run a *second* > time. It started up as root (required!!!), set itself up in /opt/ibm, > and claims to have laid down links, somewhere. Not in /usr/bin, > evidently... > > It's whopping big, but doesn't seem slower than OpenOffice (mind you, > OpenOffice is pretty portly ;-)). Well is IS openoffice. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 14:34:05 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:34:05 -0400 Subject: OT: How many internal IDE drives maximum off of an ATX power supply? In-Reply-To: <826067.5854.qm-r6rlgsx/m2yB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <826067.5854.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070921143405.GF5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 12:57:57PM -0700, Salman Ahmed wrote: > What's the maximum number of IDE (UltraDMA 100/133) drives that I can > safely power from a ATX power supply (assuming that you have enough > IDE/UDMA connectors of course)? > > I have an old PIII system (Abit BH6) in an ATX case that currently has > 3 UltraDMA 100/133 hard drives connected to a Promise UltraDMA 133 > controller card. And I am wondering if it's OK to add a 4th such HD in > there without running into any power supply issues. > > I am not sure what the wattage is of the power supply in the case but > it is an ATX case. This system does not have an optical drive and the 3 > HDs connected to the Promise controller card are only ones in there > presently. Well the wattage of the power supply is rather important since that pretty much will be answering your question. Of course not all power supplies are created equally, and the rest of the system takes power too. My personal desktop machine has: 700MHz Athlon 768MB ram 4 PATA drives (2 x 80GB maxtor, 1 x 250GB WD, 1 x 500GB WD) 1 DVD-ROM (pioneer) 1 CD-RW (plextor) NV6600GT 128MB AGP card. 350W power supply of pretty decent quality (but not super great either). Never had a problem. Of course different brands and models of drives use different amounts of power too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 14:38:58 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:38:58 -0400 Subject: OT: How many internal IDE drives maximum off of an ATX power supply? In-Reply-To: <46F2DDA8.5070600-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <826067.5854.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <46F2DDA8.5070600@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20070921143858.GG5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 04:52:56PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > Look up the max volt-amps drawn by each drive for the 5vDC and 12vDC > rails. Then look at the maximum amps available on each rail (5vDC and > 12vDC). I really doubt it, but you may have multiple 12vDC rails which > will have their own max draw plus a combined max draw across all rails. > > Lastly, you will need to determine how much amperage draw the rest of > your system draws on the 5vDC and 12vDC rails, and make sure those plus > the combined draw of your HDDs doesn't exceed the max draw of your PSU. > > Lastly, it is important to realize that switching PSUs have a curve of > efficiency. *Generally*, PSUs are most efficient around the 75%-85% > range. Most better PSU companies will show you an efficiency graph. > > One thing to understand, that *many* people miss, is that "wattage" on > PSUs is often *very* deceptive and often flat out misleading. I've seen > 500w cheap PSUs fail long before a well built 350w PSU. Shady PSU makers > love to play fast and loose with their wattage by doing things like > saying 500w PSU!!! (*max 350w on the 12vDC and 5vDC rails). > > So long answer short; it depends on the quality of your PSU and the max > amperage available on the 12vDC rail mainly, with the 5vDC rail being > important but much less so. Cheap power supplies will also give their rating based on running at 25C internal temperature, while normal operation is more like 40C inside the power supply. 500W at 25C isn't 500W at 40C for most power supplies. I buy power supplies from Antec, Enermax, Silverstone, and of course PC Power & Cooling. If you want to be sure it never fails, get the PC Power & Cooling option. Silverstone is good for quiet media systems, and Antec and Enermax make good power supplies for the money and are at least honest about what their power supplies are. The think included with a $25 case is a piece of scrap metal and should not be inflicted on your expensive electronics. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 14:43:13 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:43:13 -0400 Subject: Ontario Linux Fest In-Reply-To: <408ae1640709192032n550cf714q1e94545c523c96f6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <408ae1640709192032n550cf714q1e94545c523c96f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070921144313.GH5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 11:32:52PM -0400, Interlug Lists wrote: > Research In Motion goes Platinum at Ontario Linux Fest. > Everybody recognizes the ubiquitous BlackBerry devices on the hips of > the well-connected, in offices, in movies and just about everywhere > else. In Kitchener-Waterloo it is well-known that RIM is a top-notch > place to work. Not everybody knows how widely GNU/Linux and other Free > Software is used at Research In Motion. And here is something that we > are revealing for the first time. Research In Motion will be recruiting > at Ontario Linux Fest. Bring your resume, or start the process now. > http://onlinux.ca/rim Amusing really, given how RIM seems highly against anyone else using Linux with their devices. Perfectly fine for them to use it at the backend, but not for the clients to use it. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 14:52:11 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:52:11 -0400 Subject: Ontario Linux Fest In-Reply-To: <20070921144313.GH5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <408ae1640709192032n550cf714q1e94545c523c96f6@mail.gmail.com> <20070921144313.GH5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46F3DA9B.5060702@netdirect.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Amusing really, given how RIM seems highly against anyone else using > Linux with their devices. Perfectly fine for them to use it at the > backend, but not for the clients to use it. :) > I wouldn't say they are highly against it. They don't see the business case yet. Lots of the people in RIM are Linux enthusiasts and many of the directors and managers that I know use Linux as their main O/S whenever they can. One even has a Tux tattoo!!! Windows dominates their market right now and they simply don't have the time to build a business around Linux desktops or Linux servers when most of their customers are fine putting in a Windows box to do the same. They are going where the money is, which is what business tends to do. They are growing in leaps and bounds, which is why the need for recruiting, and why they can't spare the time to test and support a Linux fork. And it's not been for the lack of at least some external pressure. There is a web petition out there (the links not handy) and we've been talking with them for a while about just that. We brought it up with some of their key people just this week again. If you want Linux support check out http://barry.sourceforge.net. At least it's something. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux Conference for users by users. -- *John Van Ostrand* *Net Direct Inc.* CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 map Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 ext.5102 *Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware* Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And here is something that we > > are revealing for the first time. Research In Motion will be recruiting > > at Ontario Linux Fest. Bring your resume, or start the process now. > > http://onlinux.ca/rim > > Amusing really, given how RIM seems highly against anyone else using > Linux with their devices. Perfectly fine for them to use it at the > backend, but not for the clients to use it. :) Yeah, that's pretty irritating about the Blackberries (or do they pluralize as "Blackberrys"?) I find myself consistently underimpressed with the Blackberry capabilities. They are functional enough, but the software on them doesn't seem to have changed interestingly in several years. And the basic capabilities have been replicated by all the other phones. *All* the phones, these days, can do SMS, calendaring, notes, ToDo lists, and run Java-based apps. It will be mighty interesting to see what falls from the reactions to the iPhone; that has been a bit of a "call to arms" for the other cell phone makers, and I hope that the emergence of "somewhat open" Linux-based platforms (OpenMoko for example) will lead to further interesting things. It mightn't draw in RIM to "supporting Linux desktop," but it's likely to have some interesting effects, in any case... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 14:56:32 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:56:32 -0400 Subject: Where to get Bix and 110 tools? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46f3db8f.0b6a400a.6eff.ffff9085@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Paul Nash > Sent: Thursday 20 September 2007 21:17 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: [TLUG]: Where to get Bix and 110 tools? > > I'm looking for a store (pref downtown, 'cos I'm there several times a > week) that has decent quality Bix and 110 punchdown tools. Any > suggestions? I have all the RJxx crimp tools that I will ever need, but > my > trusty Krone tools don't work on Canadian terminations. > > paul I'd suggest Electrosonic , they've a pretty good selection and good prices on most electronics. Not downtown, but worth the trip if you're looking for professional grade stuff. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 15:07:56 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:07:56 -0400 Subject: Ontario Linux Fest In-Reply-To: References: <408ae1640709192032n550cf714q1e94545c523c96f6@mail.gmail.com> <20070921144313.GH5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46F3DE4C.6090806@netdirect.ca> Christopher Browne wrote: > I find myself consistently underimpressed with the Blackberry > capabilities. They are functional enough, but the software on them > doesn't seem to have changed interestingly in several years. And the > basic capabilities have been replicated by all the other phones. > *All* the phones, these days, can do SMS, calendaring, notes, ToDo > lists, and run Java-based apps. > One of the original big draws for Blackberries is entirely corporate. It has been promoted as a corporate tool up until the Pearl release, which was considered a pro-sumer device. The one main benefit that RIM provides that corporation require is security. None of the other providers do as well. It requires a BES but when that's in place the blackberry and BES server have fully encrypted bi-directional access. RIM claims that even they cannot see the data. The Blackberry has access to Intranet sites and all Internet traffic goes through the BES and the companies network so it can be controlled as well. And if the device is lost or stolen it can be locked, erased, or "bricked" from the BES server. On the functional side there is the contact, calendar, notes and other synchronization. I don't know of any other device that provides that type of synchronization over the air. > It will be mighty interesting to see what falls from the reactions to > the iPhone; that has been a bit of a "call to arms" for the other cell > phone makers, and I hope that the emergence of "somewhat open" > Linux-based platforms (OpenMoko for example) will lead to further > interesting things. > The one thing that has kept RIM from expanding the features of the device is battery life and size. Being owned by an Engineer, the mandate has been to extend battery life and make the device smaller with every iteration. I'm sure that's going to change but it's already made the device better in many regards. The other thing about the Blackberry is that the device is very frugal with bandwidth. Using compression and simple ideas it significantly reduces the amount of bandwidth used in day-to-day operations. It scales images, trims down email, compresses things, etc. Even the blackberry maps is transmitted to the device as vectors not bitmaps like Google's. The net result is that the carriers are starting to give lower data prices to blackberry users. So now it's a monthly savings to use a Blackberry instead of another phone. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux Conference for users by users. -- *John Van Ostrand* *Net Direct Inc.* CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 map Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 ext.5102 *Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware* Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 15:14:42 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:14:42 -0400 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <1190240171.3727.4.camel@localhost> References: <1190240171.3727.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <46f3dfd0.0d38400a.30c3.ffff9cd8@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of keith > Sent: Wednesday 19 September 2007 18:16 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Re: TLUG spam > > On Fri, 2007-14-09 at 09:51 -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: > > Much as I love PGP/GPG, it will never work for what I do. The biggest > > problem being that I don't use a computer. I use many computers, both > > simultaneously and in series. My Linux workstation gets used when I'm > at > > home, the tablet on the road, and gmail when away. So where do I store > my > > private key? I personally wouldn't trust it on anything other than my > home > > workstation, and that limits my ability send mail to about 25% of the > time. > > You should be able to import your keys, no? > > Keith Yes, I could in theory use the same private key on both my workstation and tablet, but spreading one key around like that leads to a much greater risk: what happens if one or the other is compromised while I'm not there? The risk and problem are now doubled. It also doesn't solve my gmail problem. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 15:23:24 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:23:24 -0400 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <46f3dfd0.0d38400a.30c3.ffff9cd8-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46f3dfd0.0d38400a.30c3.ffff9cd8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <46F3E1EC.5000506@rogers.com> Kareem Shehata wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of keith >> Sent: Wednesday 19 September 2007 18:16 >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Re: TLUG spam >> >> On Fri, 2007-14-09 at 09:51 -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: >> >>> Much as I love PGP/GPG, it will never work for what I do. The biggest >>> problem being that I don't use a computer. I use many computers, both >>> simultaneously and in series. My Linux workstation gets used when I'm >>> >> at >> >>> home, the tablet on the road, and gmail when away. So where do I store >>> >> my >> >>> private key? I personally wouldn't trust it on anything other than my >>> >> home >> >>> workstation, and that limits my ability send mail to about 25% of the >>> >> time. >> >> You should be able to import your keys, no? >> >> Keith >> > > Yes, I could in theory use the same private key on both my workstation and > tablet, but spreading one key around like that leads to a much greater risk: > what happens if one or the other is compromised while I'm not there? The > risk and problem are now doubled. It also doesn't solve my gmail problem. > > Why not keep the key on a flash drive and point to it with a symlink? -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 15:53:24 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:53:24 -0700 Subject: OT: How many internal IDE drives maximum off of an ATX power supply? In-Reply-To: <20070921143858.GG5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <826067.5854.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <46F2DDA8.5070600@alteeve.com> <20070921143858.GG5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709210853w64c9a347ud35b4a2020ecde9a@mail.gmail.com> First thing I usually do when setting up a new machine is replace the oftimes-crappy PSU with a decent Enermax. I've found that those tend to last the longest (Antec are good but I have had those crap out on me), and they tend to give the rest of the hardware a longer-lifetime due to less noise/spikes/drops in voltage. Certainly I see hard-drive lifetime a bit extended by ensuring the machine has a good PSU and proper cooling. If you have a decent PSU and it *does* happen to die, they're usually built in such a way that it will do so without taking out everything that's connected. In contrast, my last el-cheapo PSU fried an attached hard-drive and fried my motherboard enough to leave a brown scorch mark near the ATX connector. In short, they cost more but tend to save you money in the long run. On 9/21/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 04:52:56PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Look up the max volt-amps drawn by each drive for the 5vDC and 12vDC > > rails. Then look at the maximum amps available on each rail (5vDC and > > 12vDC). I really doubt it, but you may have multiple 12vDC rails which > > will have their own max draw plus a combined max draw across all rails. > > > > Lastly, you will need to determine how much amperage draw the rest of > > your system draws on the 5vDC and 12vDC rails, and make sure those plus > > the combined draw of your HDDs doesn't exceed the max draw of your PSU. > > > > Lastly, it is important to realize that switching PSUs have a curve of > > efficiency. *Generally*, PSUs are most efficient around the 75%-85% > > range. Most better PSU companies will show you an efficiency graph. > > > > One thing to understand, that *many* people miss, is that "wattage" on > > PSUs is often *very* deceptive and often flat out misleading. I've seen > > 500w cheap PSUs fail long before a well built 350w PSU. Shady PSU makers > > love to play fast and loose with their wattage by doing things like > > saying 500w PSU!!! (*max 350w on the 12vDC and 5vDC rails). > > > > So long answer short; it depends on the quality of your PSU and the max > > amperage available on the 12vDC rail mainly, with the 5vDC rail being > > important but much less so. > > Cheap power supplies will also give their rating based on running at 25C > internal temperature, while normal operation is more like 40C inside the > power supply. 500W at 25C isn't 500W at 40C for most power supplies. > > I buy power supplies from Antec, Enermax, Silverstone, and of course PC > Power & Cooling. If you want to be sure it never fails, get the PC > Power & Cooling option. Silverstone is good for quiet media systems, > and Antec and Enermax make good power supplies for the money and are at > least honest about what their power supplies are. > > The think included with a $25 case is a piece of scrap metal and should > not be inflicted on your expensive electronics. :) > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 16:02:53 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:02:53 -0400 Subject: Where to get Bix and 110 tools? In-Reply-To: <46F39D67.90306-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F39D67.90306@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46F3EB2D.7010906@alteeve.com> James Knott wrote: > Paul Nash wrote: >> I'm looking for a store (pref downtown, 'cos I'm there several times a >> week) that has decent quality Bix and 110 punchdown tools. Any >> suggestions? I have all the RJxx crimp tools that I will ever need, but my >> trusty Krone tools don't work on Canadian terminations. >> > > I don't think they're downtown, but you could try Sayal, Graybar or Nedco. I *believe* there is a Nedco in the Bathurst/south of King area. Don't have a specific addy though. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 16:06:03 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:06:03 -0400 Subject: TLUG spam In-Reply-To: <46F3E1EC.5000506-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F3E1EC.5000506@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46f3ebd8.0f39400a.6ad0.ffffb0eb@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of James > Knott > Sent: Friday 21 September 2007 11:23 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Re: TLUG spam > > Kareem Shehata wrote: > > Yes, I could in theory use the same private key on both my workstation > and > > tablet, but spreading one key around like that leads to a much greater > risk: > > what happens if one or the other is compromised while I'm not there? > The > > risk and problem are now doubled. It also doesn't solve my gmail > problem. > > > > > > Why not keep the key on a flash drive and point to it with a symlink? Might work... but then I'd be worried about the flash drive, and it still doesn't solve the gmail problem. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 16:35:33 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:35:33 -0400 Subject: Where to get Bix and 110 tools? Message-ID: <46F3F2D5.2090300@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > I *believe* there is a Nedco in the Bathurst/south of King area. It's at 530 Front St. W., between Spadina and Bathurst. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 16:49:50 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:49:50 -0400 Subject: Where to get Bix and 110 tools? In-Reply-To: <46F3F2D5.2090300-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F3F2D5.2090300@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46F3F62E.80702@alteeve.com> John McGregor wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: >> I *believe* there is a Nedco in the Bathurst/south of King area. > It's at 530 Front St. W., between Spadina and Bathurst. Bingo! I knew I'd been there a few times before. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 17:35:55 2007 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Moniz Family) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:35:55 -0400 Subject: weird e-mail In-Reply-To: <46F1CED5.5070608-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F1CED5.5070608@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46F400FB.2090508@sympatico.ca> John McGregor wrote: > It may me nothing but a bad joke, but if you have a wireless network you > should enable WPA and / or change your network access key immediately. > It's not worth the risk to leave things as is. > > John > No wireless. Nothing since either. Thanks, John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 18:01:24 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:01:24 -0400 Subject: Problems with sound Message-ID: <20070921180124.GA8072@waltdnes.org> Yes, the account is a member of group audio, and no, I am not running PAM. The symptoms when trying to play an mp3... - audacious dies - mpg123 *FAILS* with the output initialize_device(): cannot set hw params audio: Success - mpg321 gives an error message, but goes on to play the mp3 properly, The error message is... ALSA snd_pcm_hw_params error: Invalid argument Yes, that's correct, mpg123 reports "Success" but fails. mpg321 reports an error but plays the mp3 properly. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 18:18:15 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:18:15 -0400 Subject: Problems with sound In-Reply-To: <20070921180124.GA8072-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20070921180124.GA8072@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <46f40ad4.131f400a.35f1.ffffcc61@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Walter > Dnes > Sent: Friday 21 September 2007 14:01 > To: Toronto Linux Users Group > Subject: [TLUG]: Problems with sound > > Yes, the account is a member of group audio, and no, I am not running > PAM. The symptoms when trying to play an mp3... > > - audacious dies > > - mpg123 *FAILS* with the output > initialize_device(): cannot set hw params > audio: Success > > - mpg321 gives an error message, but goes on to play the mp3 properly, > The error message is... > ALSA snd_pcm_hw_params error: Invalid argument > > Yes, that's correct, mpg123 reports "Success" but fails. mpg321 > reports an error but plays the mp3 properly. Just guessing off the top of my head: one is using the OSS interface, while the other is using ALSA. What device are you pointing each one to? -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 18:57:09 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:57:09 -0400 Subject: Problems with sound In-Reply-To: <20070921180124.GA8072-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20070921180124.GA8072@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20070921185709.GI5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 02:01:24PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > Yes, the account is a member of group audio, and no, I am not running > PAM. The symptoms when trying to play an mp3... > > - audacious dies > > - mpg123 *FAILS* with the output > initialize_device(): cannot set hw params > audio: Success > > - mpg321 gives an error message, but goes on to play the mp3 properly, > The error message is... > ALSA snd_pcm_hw_params error: Invalid argument > > Yes, that's correct, mpg123 reports "Success" but fails. mpg321 > reports an error but plays the mp3 properly. Has it ever worked? What sound device? Does the driver version of alsa (in the kernel and /proc/asound/version) match the version of the alsa library and utilities? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From paul-fQIO8zZcxYtFkWKT+BUv2w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 19:59:53 2007 From: paul-fQIO8zZcxYtFkWKT+BUv2w at public.gmane.org (Paul Nash) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:59:53 -0400 Subject: Where to get Bix and 110 tools? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for all the suggestions. I went to Nedco in Markham today (was visiting a client nearby) and got them. Great place, all sorts of nice tools and stuff :-). Thanks again paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 20:33:06 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: mp3 players In-Reply-To: <200709172109.34132.jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw@public.gmane.org> References: <200709172109.34132.jab@muskokatech.ca> Message-ID: | From: Jeremy Baker | I am currently in the market for an mp3 player for my wife. she uses a linux | laptop, so I need it to work with linux. Does anyone on the list have any | suggestions? It looks like the ipod is already struck off the list due to | its dependency on itunes. DON'T GET THIS, even though it is a good deal. Today's Woot: http://www.woot.com/ Hardware is interesting but the software forces you to use MS Windows. Price seems to be sinking quickly. US$130 for a 30G audio/video player. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 23:37:44 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:37:44 -0400 Subject: free antispam for Linux Message-ID: I think Lennard wrote once that he has his email since 1994 and does not care about spam? What was that software you are using? I need to convince my boss that there is free software of high quality around, for Linux, for protecting from spam. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 23:38:19 2007 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:38:19 -0400 Subject: Ontario Linux Fest In-Reply-To: References: <408ae1640709192032n550cf714q1e94545c523c96f6@mail.gmail.com> <20070921144313.GH5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200709211938.19356.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Friday 21 September 2007 10:55:04 Christopher Browne wrote: > I find myself consistently underimpressed with the Blackberry > capabilities. I am not a gadget guy at all but I am consistently impressed by Blackberries. The synchronization between Exchange, BES and Blackberry cannot be matched by any device that I know of. I don't like depending on Microsoft for email, I don't like not having a native client on Linux (Evolution sucks last I checked) but the integration and ease of use from SMTP through to blackberry is impressively smooth. I really, really like the Blackberry. I never had palm or any other PDA before the Blackberry, I just didn't see the point, now I do ... > It will be mighty interesting to see what falls from the reactions to > the iPhone; From what I hear the iPhone is severely over-hyped, lacking such basic features as cut and paste. As far as I understand it, no businesses are likely to consider it as there's no worthwhile encryption or security features. -- Fraser Campbell Georgetown, Ontario, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 21 23:56:26 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:56:26 -0400 Subject: free antispam for Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99a6c38f0709211656t5f3daeb3oabea737c82fe1360@mail.gmail.com> On 9/21/07, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > I think Lennard wrote once that he has his email since 1994 and does > not care about spam? > > What was that software you are using? > > I need to convince my boss that there is free software of high quality > around, for Linux, for protecting from spam. I'm not sure what Lennard (Lennart?) is running, but SpamAssassin is a popular solution. IIRC, It's installed by default on a number of the more popular distributions. (Red Hat based systems have been doing it for a few years now I think, but I'm fairly certain I've also seen it in other distros as well.) Also worth a look is Clam AntiVirus - I'm fairly certain these two projects can work together to create robust mail servers on top of Linux. http://spamassassin.apache.org/ http://www.clamav.net/ -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 22 00:37:07 2007 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:37:07 -0400 Subject: free antispam for Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070922003707.GA17592@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 07:37:44PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >I think Lennard wrote once that he has his email since 1994 and does >not care about spam? > >What was that software you are using? > >I need to convince my boss that there is free software of high quality >around, for Linux, for protecting from spam. Lennart and myself, and many others are using bogofilter, which is very good, and very fast (Spamassassin is not fast). I also use razor, which checks messages against a very large database of known spam. With just these two tools I get about two spam messages per week that might not be spam, across six email accounts that are widely public and that I have been using for (in most, but not all cases) ten or more years. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 22 00:57:56 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... Message-ID: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ran across the following bit about Star Simpson, a student at MIT arrested in essence for acting like a geek: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/21/1849208 Bottom line, the woman visited the airport to pick-up a friend while wearing a hoodie with an attached prototyping board that had a battery and some LEDs on it. Then things got weird. Some of Ms. Simpson's geek credentials can be seen here (articles she has written for the instructables website on topics like TIG welding, or motorizing roller blades): http://www.instructables.com/member/stasterisk/ I am of two minds about what happened, the Boston police come off looking like a bunch of jerks (after the great Boston Mooninite scare not something they need). On the other hand when I go to places where I know I can expect to see people with guns I try to do the "look invisible" route. Trying to dress, act and look as bland as possible. Thoughts? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 22 01:05:22 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:05:22 -0400 Subject: free antispam for Linux In-Reply-To: <20070922003707.GA17592-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070922003707.GA17592@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200709212105.22501.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On September 21, 2007 08:37:07 pm William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 07:37:44PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > >I think Lennard wrote once that he has his email since 1994 and does > >not care about spam? > > > >What was that software you are using? > > > >I need to convince my boss that there is free software of high quality > >around, for Linux, for protecting from spam. > > Lennart and myself, and many others are using bogofilter, which is very > good, and very fast (Spamassassin is not fast). I also use razor, which > checks messages against a very large database of known spam. With just > these two tools I get about two spam messages per week that might not be > spam, across six email accounts that are widely public and that I have > been using for (in most, but not all cases) ten or more years. My mailserver has processed 604 sent and 624 received messages today, and rejected 4728 messages. That via postfix greylisting and spamassassin with amavisd. 1 spam got through on me today, and I've got a procmail filter setup to automatically put any those into a reserved maildir. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 22 01:35:50 2007 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:35:50 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <336303.31876.qm-fjYszm/wOJWB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070921213550.65c443c5.gstrom@teksavvy.com> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Colin McGregor wrote: >Ran across the following bit about Star Simpson, a >student at MIT arrested in essence for acting like a >geek: > > I saw the article at the Toronto Star website. The first thing I thought was, how can smart people be so damn stupid. And it sounds like she really doesn't see the problem. It reminds me of an expression I heard years ago: book-smart and life-dumb. -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 22 02:04:24 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:04:24 -0400 Subject: Problems with sound In-Reply-To: <46f40ad4.131f400a.35f1.ffffcc61-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070921180124.GA8072@waltdnes.org> <46f40ad4.131f400a.35f1.ffffcc61@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20070922020424.GA9704@waltdnes.org> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 02:18:15PM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote > Just guessing off the top of my head: one is using the OSS interface, > while the other is using ALSA. What device are you pointing each one > to? With xmms deprecated, and audacious not working, I'm using realplayer to listen to live365.com. lsof indicates that "realplay" is using /dev/sound/dsp and /dev/sound/mixer. realplayer is working properly. Everything was working fine until a couple of days ago when I upgraded the kernel. I copied over my old .config and ran "make oldconfig". Here's a screenshot from "make menuconfig". I'm using alsa with OSS emulation... <*> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture <*> Sequencer support < > Sequencer dummy client <*> OSS Mixer API <*> OSS PCM (digital audio) API [*] OSS PCM (digital audio) API - Include plugin system [*] OSS Sequencer API [ ] Dynamic device file minor numbers [*] Support old ALSA API [*] Verbose procfs contents [ ] Verbose printk [ ] Debug Generic devices ---> ISA devices ---> PCI devices ---> USB devices ---> System on Chip audio support ---> -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 22 04:25:36 2007 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:25:36 -0400 Subject: free antispam for Linux In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0709211656t5f3daeb3oabea737c82fe1360-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709211656t5f3daeb3oabea737c82fe1360@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709220025.36704.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On September 21, 2007 07:56:26 pm Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 9/21/07, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > I think Lennard wrote once that he has his email since 1994 and does > > not care about spam? > > > > What was that software you are using? > > > > I need to convince my boss that there is free software of high quality > > around, for Linux, for protecting from spam. > > I'm not sure what Lennard (Lennart?) is running, but SpamAssassin is a > popular solution. IIRC, It's installed by default on a number of the > more popular distributions. (Red Hat based systems have been doing it > for a few years now I think, but I'm fairly certain I've also seen it > in other distros as well.) > > Also worth a look is Clam AntiVirus - I'm fairly certain these two > projects can work together to create robust mail servers on top of > Linux. > > http://spamassassin.apache.org/ > http://www.clamav.net/ For an all-in-one solution, take a look at Mailwatch and Mailscanner http://www.mailscanner.info/ http://mailwatch.sourceforge.net/doku.php Together, these prove to be a powerful solution, and provides ease of maintenance. -- Jason Shein Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 647 ) - 505 - 5002 http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 22 05:26:49 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 01:26:49 -0400 Subject: free antispam for Linux In-Reply-To: <20070922003707.GA17592-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070922003707.GA17592@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20070922012649.59d11fef@node1.freeyourmachine.org> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 07:37:44PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > >I think Lennard wrote once that he has his email since 1994 and does > >not care about spam? > > > >What was that software you are using? > > > >I need to convince my boss that there is free software of high quality > >around, for Linux, for protecting from spam. > > Lennart and myself, and many others are using bogofilter, which is very > good, and very fast (Spamassassin is not fast). I also use razor, which > checks messages against a very large database of known spam. With just > these two tools I get about two spam messages per week that might not be > spam, across six email accounts that are widely public and that I have > been using for (in most, but not all cases) ten or more years. A huge 'me too' for Bogofilter. I've tried other sol'ns but Bogo was by far the best: 1. Very easy to set up. 2. Amazing results, almost no spam and I very rarely had a false positive. 3. The developer, David Relson, is a super guy, very helpful and responsive if you ever need assistance. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Leela: Bender's flying too low! And he's upside-down! Protestor: He must be talking on a cell-phone. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What device are you pointing each one > > to? > > With xmms deprecated, and audacious not working, I'm using realplayer > to listen to live365.com. lsof indicates that "realplay" is using > /dev/sound/dsp and /dev/sound/mixer. realplayer is working properly. > Everything was working fine until a couple of days ago when I upgraded > the kernel. I copied over my old .config and ran "make oldconfig". > Here's a screenshot from "make menuconfig". I'm using alsa with OSS > emulation... Well, that looks like realplayer is using the OSS interface. As usual, I think Len might have this one: if you upgraded the kernel, and the kernel is using a newer version of the ALSA headers than the libraries that are installed on your system, that would explain this behaviour. By using the OSS API realplayer and mpg123 will work just fine, but anything that uses the ALSA libraries (I'm guessing mpg321 and audacity) will fail because of the mismatch. I'd suggest following Len's instructions to check the versions, and then installing the correct ALSA libraries to match the new kernel. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 22 16:49:29 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Grant Espinosa) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:49:29 -0500 Subject: Best repl1ca w4tches from IWC at Prest1ge Repl1cas Message-ID: Have you always wanted a R0lex, but don??t want to pay high prices for a brand name w4tch? 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 22 17:14:06 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:14:06 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <20070921213550.65c443c5.gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070921213550.65c443c5.gstrom@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <200709221314.13022.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On September 21, 2007 09:35:50 pm Glen Strom wrote: > On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:57:56 -0400 (EDT) > > Colin McGregor wrote: > >Ran across the following bit about Star Simpson, a > >student at MIT arrested in essence for acting like a > >geek: > > I saw the article at the Toronto Star website. The first thing I > thought was, how can smart people be so damn stupid. And it sounds > like she really doesn't see the problem. > > It reminds me of an expression I heard years ago: book-smart and > life-dumb. I wonder about that. Seems like there's some contextual information missing from the whole story. That, and I'll pose the question: what is wrong with what she did? Were it the street, why would the cops have been more or less justified in their reaction since the law is the law regardless of location? Besides, someone's already patented and is working on clothes with integrated lcd/leds, so in a year or two once we're all walking advertisements it'll be like she was a pioneer and everyone will be walking around airports with lite brite clothes. But clap your hands, let's have a big round of stupids to all involved. Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 22 18:04:31 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:04:31 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <200709221314.13022.jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070921213550.65c443c5.gstrom@teksavvy.com> <200709221314.13022.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20070922140431.0da4a722@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Jamon Camisso wrote: > On September 21, 2007 09:35:50 pm Glen Strom wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:57:56 -0400 (EDT) > > > > Colin McGregor wrote: > > >Ran across the following bit about Star Simpson, a > > >student at MIT arrested in essence for acting like a > > >geek: > > > > I saw the article at the Toronto Star website. The first thing I > > thought was, how can smart people be so damn stupid. And it sounds > > like she really doesn't see the problem. > > > > It reminds me of an expression I heard years ago: book-smart and > > life-dumb. > > I wonder about that. Seems like there's some contextual information missing > from the whole story. > > That, and I'll pose the question: what is wrong with what she did? Were it > the street, why would the cops have been more or less justified in their > reaction since the law is the law regardless of location? > > Besides, someone's already patented and is working on clothes with integrated > lcd/leds, so in a year or two once we're all walking advertisements it'll be > like she was a pioneer and everyone will be walking around airports with lite > brite clothes. First they came for the people wearing circuit boards, but I said nothing because I did not wear circuit boards... ;) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: Stay away from our women. You got metal fever, baby, metal fever! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 22 19:56:12 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:56:12 +0000 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <200709221314.13022.jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070921213550.65c443c5.gstrom@teksavvy.com> <200709221314.13022.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709221256kb79690bk46ce045e03dfcc7b@mail.gmail.com> LCD's are one thing, but lots of wires and a breadboard seem to lack a certain amount of ashetic appeal, even to a geek like me. It certainly doesn't appear to have a great cosmetic value in this case. As mentioned in slashdot as well, the woman in question was asked about the shirt and simply walked about without explanation. In many cases this would just be antisocial, but when you're talking about an airport employee and the context of your unusual clothing this is a really bad idea. So they called the cops in, and she was arrested. Nobody shot at her, or tazered her, or any number of other terrible things that might have happened and indeed have in other headline-grabbing situations. Maybe wearable LCD's should be overlooked in airports. When you've got a breadboard with wires (and keep in mind, most non-geeks aren't much going to understand these), at the very least you could explain what the thing is. A simple "oh, it makes some flashy lights go off on my shirt, it's a student art project" probably would have avoided this situation. There *ARE* some situations where, if you are for various reasons suspicious, you do have to explain yourself or face the consequences. Keep in mind that this is a place where leaving your bag alone while you hit the washroom can cause a big issue. I'd say that the reaction, at least as far as arresting the woman, is justified. Charging her, maybe not, but I wasn't there to see how she further reacted to the arrest. If she was foolish enough to ignore the airline employee's question, perhaps she was causing issues with the police as well. At the very least, there is unreasonable behavior on both ends of the fence here. So, if somebody is arrested for wearing one of these, then maybe we can consider it a big deal: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/8a5b/ http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/97f7/ But it's a fair bit different from a breadboard and LED's, at least to the non-geek crowd. Just my 2c TJA Oh, and p.s. does anyone have one of the above shirts, they look pretty cool :-) On 9/22/07, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On September 21, 2007 09:35:50 pm Glen Strom wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:57:56 -0400 (EDT) > > > > Colin McGregor wrote: > > >Ran across the following bit about Star Simpson, a > > >student at MIT arrested in essence for acting like a > > >geek: > > > > I saw the article at the Toronto Star website. The first thing I > > thought was, how can smart people be so damn stupid. And it sounds > > like she really doesn't see the problem. > > > > It reminds me of an expression I heard years ago: book-smart and > > life-dumb. > > I wonder about that. Seems like there's some contextual information missing > from the whole story. > > That, and I'll pose the question: what is wrong with what she did? Were it the > street, why would the cops have been more or less justified in their reaction > since the law is the law regardless of location? > > Besides, someone's already patented and is working on clothes with integrated > lcd/leds, so in a year or two once we're all walking advertisements it'll be > like she was a pioneer and everyone will be walking around airports with lite > brite clothes. > > But clap your hands, let's have a big round of stupids to all involved. > > Jamon > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 22 19:57:17 2007 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:57:17 -0700 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <200709221314.13022.jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070921213550.65c443c5.gstrom@teksavvy.com> <200709221314.13022.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1190491037.6910.7.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 13:14 -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On September 21, 2007 09:35:50 pm Glen Strom wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:57:56 -0400 (EDT) > > > > Colin McGregor wrote: > > >Ran across the following bit about Star Simpson, a > > >student at MIT arrested in essence for acting like a > > >geek: > > > > I saw the article at the Toronto Star website. The first thing I > > thought was, how can smart people be so damn stupid. And it sounds > > like she really doesn't see the problem. > > > > It reminds me of an expression I heard years ago: book-smart and > > life-dumb. > > I wonder about that. Seems like there's some contextual information missing > from the whole story. > > That, and I'll pose the question: what is wrong with what she did? Were it the > street, why would the cops have been more or less justified in their reaction > since the law is the law regardless of location? > there are special laws governing airports in the us. that's why she's charged under this 'bomb hoax' statue. > But clap your hands, let's have a big round of stupids to all involved. > hear, hear m -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It looks like the ipod is already struck off the > > list due to its dependency on itunes. > > ipods actually work great with linux; i use amarok with no issues, as do > many others. and you can install rockbox as well if you want (so, > rewrite the os by flashing the firmware); i don't use it (the ipod > belongs to MY partner, and she doesn't want any hacking around with it), > but i understand it's pretty flawless. > > matt Thanks for the info. We ended up getting one of the little ipod shuffle devices. Copying mp3 files onto it with amarok seems pretty straight forward. -- Jeremy Baker GnuPGP fingerprint = EE66 AC49 E008 E09A 7A2A ?0195 50EF 580B EDBB 95B6 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 23 01:29:26 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:29:26 -0400 Subject: Electronic Name Badges. In-Reply-To: <50351.207.188.66.193.1171923411.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <119573.17887.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <45D91B46.4040100@ve3syb.ca> <50572.207.188.66.193.1171858207.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <45DA11F2.6000404@ve3syb.ca> <50351.207.188.66.193.1171923411.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <46F5C176.1030500@ve3syb.ca> Greetings. I don't remember which pre-built name badges have been mentioned in the past but I ran across a couple that I don't recall as having been mentioned. You can see them on the Think Geek web site using the following URL: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/7c60/ The link actually points to an LED belt buckle. There is a link near the bottom of that page to a scrolling LED name badge. They come in three different LED colours too. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 23 14:42:03 2007 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:42:03 -0400 Subject: How to delete a non existant file? Message-ID: I have a directory that contains a file ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? 1184898963.V901I2e6138 I can't delete this file. I can't delete the directory either. I'm think a file system check might fix it but I'd rather not have to take the system down. It's a remote server and I don't have physical access to it. I has no inode, no permission, no owner. I suspect this happened when the box went down because of bad ram a while back. Any ideas? Thanks Martin _________________________________________________________________ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger? http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline-- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 23 15:22:40 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:22:40 -0400 Subject: How to delete a non existant file? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46f684ac.102b400a.42ed.0335@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Martin > Duclos > Sent: Sunday 23 September 2007 10:42 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: [TLUG]: How to delete a non existant file? > > > I have a directory that contains a file > ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? 1184898963.V901I2e6138 > I can't delete this file. I can't delete the directory either. I'm think a > file system check might fix it but I'd rather not have to take the system > down. It's a remote server and I don't have physical access to it. I has > no inode, no permission, no owner. I suspect this happened when the box > went down because of bad ram a while back. Any ideas? Definitely sounds like filesystem corruption. I'm not certain, but depending on the type of filesystem you might be able to run a read-only check just to determine if there are errors and where they are. Don't think you'll be able to fix it without taking down the FS. Goodluck! -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 23 15:29:47 2007 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:29:47 -0400 Subject: How to delete a non existant file? In-Reply-To: <46f684ac.102b400a.42ed.0335-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46f684ac.102b400a.42ed.0335@mx.google.com> Message-ID: ----------------------------------------> From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org> To: tlug at ss.org> Subject: RE: [TLUG]: How to delete a non existant file?> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:22:40 -0400>>> -----Original Message----->> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Martin>> Duclos>> Sent: Sunday 23 September 2007 10:42>> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org>> Subject: [TLUG]: How to delete a non existant file?>>>>>> I have a directory that contains a file>> ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? 1184898963.V901I2e6138>> I can't delete this file. I can't delete the directory either. I'm think a>> file system check might fix it but I'd rather not have to take the system>> down. It's a remote server and I don't have physical access to it. I has>> no inode, no permission, no owner. I suspect this happened when the box>> went down because of bad ram a while back. Any ideas?>> Definitely sounds like filesystem corruption. I'm not certain, but> depending on the type of filesystem you might be able to run a read-only> check just to determine if there are errors and where they are. Don't think> you'll be able to fix it without taking down the FS.>> Goodluck!>> -kms>>> --> FS is ext3 _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us-- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 23 16:18:36 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:18:36 +0000 Subject: How to delete a non existant file? In-Reply-To: References: <46f684ac.102b400a.42ed.0335@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709230918i24b3326ar130c932ab664ef9@mail.gmail.com> I've seen similar issues on buggy machines before, and I would have to agree that it's likely corruption. You say you don't have physical access to the box... is it yours at a remote location or is it shared with others. If it's yours, you could just figure out whatever drive/partition that file is under, and as noted mount it read-only and do a check which should hopefully fix things up. For example, if it's a file under partition /dev/hda2 mount /dev/hda2 -o remount,ro fsck.ext3 -p /dev/hda2 mount /dev/hda2 -o remount,rw Something similar could be used to fix it up. If it's not just your box, you'd probably want whoever locally admins it to do this. Sometimes funky things can happen when fsck'ing a corrupted FS, especially if it's due to hardware issues (if you still happen to have bad RAM or a glitch somewhere, you could aggravate the problem). Cheers, TJA On 9/23/07, Martin Duclos wrote: > > ----------------------------------------> From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org> Subject: RE: [TLUG]: How to delete a non existant file?> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:22:40 -0400>>> -----Original Message----->> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Martin>> Duclos>> Sent: Sunday 23 September 2007 10:42>> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org>> Subject: [TLUG]: How to delete a non existant file?>>>>>> I have a directory that contains a file>> ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? 1184898963.V901I2e6138>> I can't delete this file. I can't delete the directory either. I'm think a>> file system check might fix it but I'd rather not have to take the system>> down. It's a remote server and I don't have physical access to it. I has>> no inode, no permission, no owner. I suspect this happened when the box>> went down because of bad ram a while back. Any ideas?>> Definitely sounds like filesystem corruption. I'm not certain, but> depending on the type of filesystem you might be able to run a read-only> check just to determine if there are errors and where they are. Don't think> you'll be able to fix it without taking down the FS.>> Goodluck!>> -kms>>> --> > > > FS is ext3 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us-- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 23 19:00:26 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:00:26 -0400 Subject: fun with GPL In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0709201734x17c59f7che58421d0a2349a90-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709201734x17c59f7che58421d0a2349a90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070923150026.5b63a650@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 9/5/07, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > Poking at a company apparently violating the GPL: > > http://myhava.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=499 > > Notice how they poke back. > > Notice how the Software Freedom Law Center pokes back too. > > I lost track of this thread in the excitement (and fallout) of Startup > Weekend Toronto, but now it looks like the Hava situation has turned > into something more. And not even just a suit, but the first in US > history involving the GPL: > > http://technocrat.net/d/2007/9/20/27216 One 'comment' I'm seeing a fair bit is that the SFLC is somehow 'jumping the gun' or has 'rushed to litigate' in this case. As I see it, if you send someone a formal notification of your dispute, and it is completely ignored, what else is there to do? Case in point: http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives/2007/09/its_gpl_lawsuit.html See the author's comment, last in the list, where he responds to corrections from several readers by saying that even with a formal notice, it's still a 'rush to litigate'. It's amazing to me the extent to which, even when confronted with compelling evidence that they've made a huge mistake, people will stubbornly stick to their erroneous argument as if it's a sign of intellectual strength. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Leela: "Great. We're two days from earth with no food." Bender: "Problem solved. You two fight to the death and I'll cook the loser." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've done a fair bit of flying over the last couple of years, and I do the same thing as you Colin - there's no point in trying to make a "statement" at the airport. If you really wanted to make some sort of pro-geek statement, wear a Penguin shirt, or something from a place like ThinkGeek. Quoting Colin McGregor : > Ran across the following bit about Star Simpson, a > student at MIT arrested in essence for acting like a > geek: > > http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/21/1849208 > > Bottom line, the woman visited the airport to pick-up > a friend while wearing a hoodie with an attached > prototyping board that had a battery and some LEDs on > it. Then things got weird. > > Some of Ms. Simpson's geek credentials can be seen > here (articles she has written for the instructables > website on topics like TIG welding, or motorizing > roller blades): > > http://www.instructables.com/member/stasterisk/ > > I am of two minds about what happened, the Boston > police come off looking like a bunch of jerks (after > the great Boston Mooninite scare not something they > need). On the other hand when I go to places where I > know I can expect to see people with guns I try to do > the "look invisible" route. Trying to dress, act and > look as bland as possible. > > Thoughts? > > Colin McGregor > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 23 19:26:18 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:26:18 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo-lGUHJOqNqQhyLmsWvbx5QJQhnBGJm0FR@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> Message-ID: <20070923152618.06de99fc@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Matt Middleton wrote: > In this day and age, especially with the paranoia about people trying > to do horrible things with airplanes, What people doing what horrible things on what planes? I pay quite a bit of attention to the news, and the last time there was anything 'horrible' was over six years ago, though the responses to that event by the West have certainly been horrifying for a lot of people. Unfortunately, what we have here is a great example of the paranoid propaganda from the far right sneaking its way into the consciousness of otherwise intelligent people. Who is it on here who has the sig about 'those who sacrifice liberty for security'? I like that one. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Amy: Bender, you should be more ashamed of yourself than usual. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Now you could mount the FS read-only and fsck from there but you'd need to shutdown any processes with any files on the FS open for write. This can be done remotely but isn't necessarily the best approach. In these situations I have someone local insert a Knoppix cdrom (and knowing the box will boot from cdrom) I reboot the server. If you are using a Vanilla Knoppix cdrom you have to get someone to start sshd. I have built a custom Knoppix cdrom which starts sshd on boot but only allows access via PKI authentication - my public keys are all setup within Knoppix of course. Another thing to consider here is that if DHCP is not enabled the network settings would either need to be hard wired on the Knoppix cdrom or someone would need to set it for you from the console. Once the box has booted off the cdrom and access via ssh is obtained you are free to do whatever you want to the box. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 23 20:25:40 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <200709221314.13022.jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070921213550.65c443c5.gstrom@teksavvy.com> <200709221314.13022.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Sep 2007, Jamon Camisso wrote: > That, and I'll pose the question: what is wrong with what she did? Were > it the street, why would the cops have been more or less justified in > their reaction since the law is the law regardless of location? Hi Jamon. I'm not commenting but the legimacy of her arrest (as I haven't look at the story properly yet) but as a former police office I just wanted to make one point: Many laws are indeed specific to physical location. I've seen special laws that exist for airports, borders, shopping malls, parks, government buildings, and lots of other places. Some laws are even specific to certain locations at certain times. I once travelled from Australia to Canada (via the US) with the insides of a computer in my brief case. The motherboard appearing in the x-ray caused a few funny looks and I was really helpful and open with all of the security guards about what I was transporting and why. As a result I had absolutely no problems. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 23 21:21:24 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:21:24 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070921213550.65c443c5.gstrom@teksavvy.com> <200709221314.13022.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20070923172124.09428051@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Sat, 22 Sep 2007, Jamon Camisso wrote: > > > That, and I'll pose the question: what is wrong with what she did? Were > > it the street, why would the cops have been more or less justified in > > their reaction since the law is the law regardless of location? > > Hi Jamon. I'm not commenting but the legimacy of her arrest (as I haven't > look at the story properly yet) but as a former police office I just > wanted to make one point: Many laws are indeed specific to physical > location. I've seen special laws that exist for airports, borders, > shopping malls, parks, government buildings, and lots of other > places. Some laws are even specific to certain locations at certain > times. > > I once travelled from Australia to Canada (via the US) with the insides of > a computer in my brief case. The motherboard appearing in the x-ray > caused a few funny looks and I was really helpful and open with all of the > security guards about what I was transporting and why. As a result I had > absolutely no problems. Not to take away from your point, indeed whether one agrees with security policy or not, being deliberately confrontational with the personel charged with enforcing that policy is not going to get anyone anywhere. Do keep in mind, though, the fact that your lack of 'problems' was the result of _at least_ two other things: 1. You were fortunate enough not to be on any of the completely arbitrary and by all accounts silly 'no fly' lists in effect in the US. 2. You do not fit any of the 'racial profiles' that are used so prevalently at borders and airports and such. Huge assumption on my part, but I'll take the risk ;) Remember, trying to apply one's own experiences as evidence of some broader trend can be really problematic. Anecdotes can be informative, but they can also be misleading. The thousands of polite and helpful people with names or features that Americans have come to find suspicious have experienced something much different from you. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "Wait a second, aren't you a member of the yacht club?" -Bender "My God, you're right. I'm a class 3 yacht." -Countess de la Roca -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 23 21:28:21 2007 From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:28:21 -0400 Subject: Linuxcaffe article in TQ Magazine Message-ID: Hey. If someone's already posted this, I apologize for the duplication. Check out the excellent article about Linux and Linuxcaffe in the Globe and Mail's TQ (Technology Quarterly) magazine. You can see the article at: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/tq pm -- Paul Mora Registered Linux user #2065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 23 22:44:10 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:44:10 +0000 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070921213550.65c443c5.gstrom@teksavvy.com> <200709221314.13022.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709231544v542f8dfej13b6fcd94d3a7663@mail.gmail.com> Ditto here. I remember travelling to Aus via the US about a year about the 9/11 incident. I was carrying with me a mini-ITX unit in a custom box which was basically folder/bent sheet-metal with a lexan top and front. Lots of wires sticking out, and of course the motherboard etc. I actually expected to be questioned quite a bit about this, as it did look somewhat suspicious. The personally really didn't care much about it though, and didn't require that it be powered up or anything of the like. Amusingly what they did ask me about when I hit Aus was a present I brought with me. A stuffed beaver with a few wires/circuits inside that danced and sang "I am Canadian." The Australian airport security got me to play it twice, once to demonstrate and another to show to a bunch of other staff because it was cute :-) I think that sometimes the most distinguishable thing that you "bring" with you to the airport is your attitude, not the items on your person. A little politeness and a quick talk with the airport staff inquiring about the shirt probably would have avoided the whole issue. On 9/23/07, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Sat, 22 Sep 2007, Jamon Camisso wrote: > > > That, and I'll pose the question: what is wrong with what she did? Were > > it the street, why would the cops have been more or less justified in > > their reaction since the law is the law regardless of location? > > Hi Jamon. I'm not commenting but the legimacy of her arrest (as I haven't > look at the story properly yet) but as a former police office I just > wanted to make one point: Many laws are indeed specific to physical > location. I've seen special laws that exist for airports, borders, > shopping malls, parks, government buildings, and lots of other > places. Some laws are even specific to certain locations at certain > times. > > I once travelled from Australia to Canada (via the US) with the insides of > a computer in my brief case. The motherboard appearing in the x-ray > caused a few funny looks and I was really helpful and open with all of the > security guards about what I was transporting and why. As a result I had > absolutely no problems. > > Cheers, > > Rob > > -- > "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." > -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 23 23:44:06 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <20070923172124.09428051-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070921213550.65c443c5.gstrom@teksavvy.com> <200709221314.13022.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20070923172124.09428051@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Sep 2007, JoeHill wrote: > Do keep in mind, though, the fact that your lack of 'problems' was the > result of _at least_ two other things: > > 1. You were fortunate enough not to be on any of the completely > arbitrary and by all accounts silly 'no fly' lists in effect in the US. Indeed. How one gets on those lists seems a mystery and it seems to be all but impossible to get off of them. > 2. You do not fit any of the 'racial profiles' that are used so > prevalently at borders and airports and such. Huge assumption on my > part, but I'll take the risk ;) True on both counts and your points are well taken. > Remember, trying to apply one's own experiences as evidence of somebroader > trend can be really problematic. Anecdotes can be informative, but they > can Agreed. My main point relates to the fact that being confrontational on their turf may not end well. I'm very keen to see the current problems resolved but confrontation or deliberate provocation in the air terminal isn't going to be the solution. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 23 23:52:19 2007 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:52:19 -0400 Subject: Linuxcaffe article in TQ Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070923195219.41aa65c2.gstrom@teksavvy.com> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:28:21 -0400 "Paul Mora" wrote: >Hey. > >If someone's already posted this, I apologize for the duplication. > >Check out the excellent article about Linux and Linuxcaffe in the >Globe and Mail's TQ (Technology Quarterly) magazine. You can see the >article at: > >http://www.theglobeandmail.com/tq > Good article, except for his comments about Slackware: "Slackware... Although it has fallen seriously behind its progeny..." Fallen seriously behind? Bullcrap. It's right where we want it. ;-> -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 00:58:54 2007 From: jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Baker) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:58:54 -0400 Subject: free antispam for Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200709232058.55257.jab@muskokatech.ca> On September 21, 2007 07:37:44 pm Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > I think Lennard wrote once that he has his email since 1994 and does > not care about spam? > > What was that software you are using? > > I need to convince my boss that there is free software of high quality > around, for Linux, for protecting from spam. > > zb. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists I use Maia Mailguard. It is an amavisd based web frontend that uses spamassassin and clamav to process incoming mail. Works great. -- Jeremy Baker GnuPGP fingerprint = EE66 AC49 E008 E09A 7A2A ?0195 50EF 580B EDBB 95B6 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 01:12:11 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:12:11 -0400 Subject: Linuxcaffe article in TQ Magazine In-Reply-To: <20070923195219.41aa65c2.gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20070923195219.41aa65c2.gstrom@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: On 9/23/07, Glen Strom wrote: > On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:28:21 -0400 > "Paul Mora" wrote: > > >Hey. > > > >If someone's already posted this, I apologize for the duplication. > > > >Check out the excellent article about Linux and Linuxcaffe in the > >Globe and Mail's TQ (Technology Quarterly) magazine. You can see the > >article at: > > > >http://www.theglobeandmail.com/tq > > > Good article, except for his comments about Slackware: > > "Slackware... Although it has fallen seriously behind its progeny..." > > Fallen seriously behind? Bullcrap. It's right where we want it. ;-> It's certainly fair to say that the *popularity* of Slackware has fallen seriously behind... For a rather long time it was perpetuating Knuth's ire because Slackware was distributing obsolete fonts; I'm not sure when that got fixed, but it certainly took years. It certainly did "fall behind" for a considerable period... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 01:21:48 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:21:48 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709231544v542f8dfej13b6fcd94d3a7663-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070921213550.65c443c5.gstrom@teksavvy.com> <200709221314.13022.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <3a97ef0709231544v542f8dfej13b6fcd94d3a7663@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/23/07, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Ditto here. I remember travelling to Aus via the US about a year about > the 9/11 incident. I was carrying with me a mini-ITX unit in a custom > box which was basically folder/bent sheet-metal with a lexan top and > front. Lots of wires sticking out, and of course the motherboard etc. > > I actually expected to be questioned quite a bit about this, as it did > look somewhat suspicious. The personally really didn't care much about > it though, and didn't require that it be powered up or anything of the > like. One of my brothers had something "more interesting;" he had (non-working, of course) samples of the charges used for automobile airbags. They were 'provably' non-functional samples on the basis of having a drop of orange paint, in an appropriate spot. All was well, and everyone was happy enough with that. Of course, the "fly" in the ointment is that painting an orange dot on a *real* one wouldn't be terribly difficult, and that would presumably be a way to get a not-inconsiderable bit of explosive onto a plane. I don't think they'd permit this anymore. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ryanakca-76NvkEy9HQZAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 01:34:27 2007 From: ryanakca-76NvkEy9HQZAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org (Ryan K.) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:34:27 -0400 Subject: : Message-ID: <212bd3ad0709231834j6508c84cvcf86dd47f8f51491@mail.gmail.com> Help? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanakca-76NvkEy9HQZAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 01:44:33 2007 From: ryanakca-76NvkEy9HQZAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org (Ryan Kavanagh) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:44:33 -0400 Subject: Key Signing Party - September 29th 2007 @ linuxcaffe Message-ID: <200709232144.44186.ryanakca@kubuntu.org> Hey everbody! Just wanted to let you know that on Saturday, September 29th there will be a key signing party at the linuxcaffe (in Toronto ON) for all those interested. We currently have 4 people attending, and we're expecting/hoping for at least 10 people to attend. You can find all the details (time, requirements, etc) here: http://blog.ryanak.ca/toronto-gpg-party.html Cheers, Ryan -- Ryan Kavanagh (ryanakca) My GPG/PGP Key: E95EDDC9 http://blog.ryanak.ca -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 827 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 02:42:15 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:42:15 -0400 Subject: Key Signing Party - September 29th 2007 @ linuxcaffe In-Reply-To: <200709232144.44186.ryanakca-76NvkEy9HQZAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> References: <200709232144.44186.ryanakca@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: On 9/23/07, Ryan Kavanagh wrote: > Hey everbody! > Just wanted to let you know that on Saturday, September 29th there will be a > key signing party at the linuxcaffe (in Toronto ON) for all those interested. > We currently have 4 people attending, and we're expecting/hoping for at least > 10 people to attend. > > You can find all the details (time, requirements, etc) here: > http://blog.ryanak.ca/toronto-gpg-party.html I have added this to biglumber.com... http://biglumber.com/x/web?sl=97 Note that biglumber.com can help organize lists of would-be signers. The organizer can add as many keys of participants as desired to an "event keyring," which then allows the participants to go to one spot to get all of the participants' keys. It also is a place that people sometimes monitor to see if their travel coincides with a keysigning. FYI, an alternative handling of this is for people to bring business cards with their PGP key on it; that is not as efficient as having a single sheet of paper with, say, 66 keys on it, but it *does* represent an easily distributable process in that it requires no central person to collect lists of keys. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 03:46:35 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sept 11th Meeting, What happened? In-Reply-To: <20070917124009.GJ5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <155676.62751.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070912001409.3bd0e216@david.chipman> <313ea3dd0709112158j1112cf61sfe1d6d2411064248@mail.gmail.com> <20070912124326.GK5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070917124009.GJ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Oh that $20. I still haven't figured out what that is supposed to > accomplish, or why it was made (in my opinion) much too high for the > type of club. Ouch. I consider $20 a negligible amount for a club membership. This money can cover the inevitable incidental costs that any organisation generates. I suspect that in the past these minor costs were born by members without compensation. My involvement in GTALUG has certainly given me _much_ more than $20/year value. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kmastin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 03:58:19 2007 From: kmastin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (keith) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:58:19 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <200709221314.13022.jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070921213550.65c443c5.gstrom@teksavvy.com> <200709221314.13022.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1190692699.3705.49.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2007-22-09 at 13:14 -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On September 21, 2007 09:35:50 pm Glen Strom wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:57:56 -0400 (EDT) > > > > Colin McGregor wrote: > > >Ran across the following bit about Star Simpson, a > > >student at MIT arrested in essence for acting like a > > >geek: > > > > I saw the article at the Toronto Star website. The first thing I > > thought was, how can smart people be so damn stupid. And it sounds > > like she really doesn't see the problem. > > > > It reminds me of an expression I heard years ago: book-smart and > > life-dumb. There's another saying I've heard that comes to mind about the girl... "just enough brains to be dangerous" > I wonder about that. Seems like there's some contextual information missing > from the whole story. I understood the flashing light thingy just brought attention to her and folks got antsy when she wouldn't respond to questions about the putty ('cause she was busy messing her undies I hope). > That, and I'll pose the question: what is wrong with what she did? Were it the > street, why would the cops have been more or less justified in their reaction > since the law is the law regardless of location? The putty wasn't too smart, considering the surroundings and all. Since 911, and that other stuff going on in the UK in transit systems and at airports and all. Airport security tends to be a bit skittish about everything, as IMHO, they should be. Who would have thought that a handful of cheap dollar-store box cutters in determined hands could result in killing a few thousand people and bring down sky-scrapers? I generally believe that a lot (not all, but a lot) of people who put on badges are a little too over-zealous in applying their looking-for-bad-guys training too literally, but in the case of airport security guys (esp. @ LOGAN, of all places), I really don't mind leaving the nail-clippers in the suitcase. But that's just me. > Besides, someone's already patented and is working on clothes with integrated > lcd/leds, so in a year or two once we're all walking advertisements it'll be > like she was a pioneer and everyone will be walking around airports with lite > brite clothes. ...ever hear of a time and place for everything? The reverse is also true. If I like to run around naked from time to time, fine, but not to church, get me? Don't wear a gun to a nightclub or birthday party. Wrong time an place. The light-brite stuff might not go down to well at a funeral either... > But clap your hands, let's have a big round of stupids to all involved. Cheers *_clink_* Keith -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kmastin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 04:10:27 2007 From: kmastin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (keith) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:10:27 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <20070923152618.06de99fc-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070923152618.06de99fc@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <1190693427.3705.57.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2007-23-09 at 15:26 -0400, JoeHill wrote: > Matt Middleton wrote: > > > In this day and age, especially with the paranoia about people trying > > to do horrible things with airplanes, > > What people doing what horrible things on what planes? I pay quite a bit of > attention to the news, and the last time there was anything 'horrible' was over That may be in response to the amount of security? > six years ago, though the responses to that event by the West have certainly > been horrifying for a lot of people. > > Unfortunately, what we have here is a great example of the paranoid propaganda > from the far right sneaking its way into the consciousness of otherwise > intelligent people. ...intelligent people probably want to get off their flight at the other end safely. > > Who is it on here who has the sig about 'those who sacrifice liberty for > security'? I like that one. You need an analogy you can relate to my friend. Before 911, airport_security.exe ran the show. It's since been upgraded to airport_security.src... and you're complaining? :) Cheers *_clink_* Keith -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 04:46:53 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:46:53 -0400 Subject: Sept 11th Meeting, What happened? In-Reply-To: References: <155676.62751.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070912001409.3bd0e216@david.chipman> <313ea3dd0709112158j1112cf61sfe1d6d2411064248@mail.gmail.com> <20070912124326.GK5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070917124009.GJ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 9/23/07, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > Oh that $20. I still haven't figured out what that is supposed to > > accomplish, or why it was made (in my opinion) much too high for the > > type of club. > > Ouch. I consider $20 a negligible amount for a club membership. This > money can cover the inevitable incidental costs that any organisation > generates. I suspect that in the past these minor costs were born by > members without compensation. Most of the money has been used to pay expenses for printing and such for materials for the spring trade show (presently called IT360, sometimes called LinuxWorld or RealWorldLinux). The number was set at $20, if memory serves, because it was generally agreed that this was small enough that it wouldn't generally be considered a "material" expense. It doesn't take a terribly fancy restaurant to have a meal that costs that much or more. And I think the metric of "cost of meal" may well have come up in discussion... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 04:54:08 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:54:08 -0400 Subject: Problems with sound In-Reply-To: <20070921185709.GI5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070921180124.GA8072@waltdnes.org> <20070921185709.GI5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070924045408.GA32596@waltdnes.org> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 02:57:09PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote > > Yes, that's correct, mpg123 reports "Success" but fails. mpg321 > > reports an error but plays the mp3 properly. > > Has it ever worked? What sound device? > > Does the driver version of alsa (in the kernel and /proc/asound/version) > match the version of the alsa library and utilities? It was a PEBKAC error. I built the new kernel but forgot to make it the default at bootup. They say that memory is the second thing to go, I forget what the first is. Anyhow I had ALSA 1.0.13 in the kernel, with 1.0.14 alsa-lib and alsa-utils. That obviously doesn't work. OK, so I've now set up the kernel properly, and rebooted, re-emerged alsa-lib and alsa-utils and audacious and audacious-plugins, but am still having the same problems (audacious and mpg123 which use ALSA, die; Realplayer and mpg321 get by with the OSS api on ALSA). revdep-rebuild doesn't find anything wrong. What do I do now to recover ALSA functionality? emerge --world? -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 05:10:43 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:10:43 +0000 Subject: Problems with sound In-Reply-To: <20070924045408.GA32596-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20070921180124.GA8072@waltdnes.org> <20070921185709.GI5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924045408.GA32596@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709232210q46bbacb0o7d6d6b373d0ef9bc@mail.gmail.com> Do you see your soundcard at all when you run "alsaconf"? Maybe you've actually got an OSS driver loading and not the appropriate ALSA PCI one (what's the result of "lspci" and "lsmod"). On 9/24/07, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 02:57:09PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote > > > > Yes, that's correct, mpg123 reports "Success" but fails. mpg321 > > > reports an error but plays the mp3 properly. > > > > Has it ever worked? What sound device? > > > > Does the driver version of alsa (in the kernel and /proc/asound/version) > > match the version of the alsa library and utilities? > > It was a PEBKAC error. I built the new kernel but forgot to make it > the default at bootup. They say that memory is the second thing to go, > I forget what the first is. > > Anyhow I had ALSA 1.0.13 in the kernel, with 1.0.14 alsa-lib and > alsa-utils. That obviously doesn't work. OK, so I've now set up the > kernel properly, and rebooted, re-emerged alsa-lib and alsa-utils and > audacious and audacious-plugins, but am still having the same problems > (audacious and mpg123 which use ALSA, die; Realplayer and mpg321 get by > with the OSS api on ALSA). revdep-rebuild doesn't find anything wrong. > What do I do now to recover ALSA functionality? emerge --world? > > -- > Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 > Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? > A. I think it would be a good idea. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 11:17:03 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:17:03 -0400 Subject: : In-Reply-To: <212bd3ad0709231834j6508c84cvcf86dd47f8f51491-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <212bd3ad0709231834j6508c84cvcf86dd47f8f51491@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46f79c97.0f2b400a.6636.ffffce50@mx.google.com> Read you 5/5 kilo romeo. -kms _____ From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Ryan K. Sent: Sunday 23 September 2007 21:34 To: TLUG-rules-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Help? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 12:11:41 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:11:41 -0400 Subject: Vintage Hardware Message-ID: <46f7a965.0d1f400a.0449.ffffe87f@mx.google.com> Just when I thought the old CRT was the worst I'd have to deal with, the archeological site known as "The Cottage" unearthed a true relic: An ancient IBM XT complete with amber CRT! Yup, this powerhouse boasts an Intel 8088 and not one, but TWO of the incredible 5.25" floppy drives, and the GIGANTIC 20 MiB hard drive! I haven't tried firing it up yet and didn't end up bringing it back to the city (have to check that my car is certified to carry such a load), so I have no idea if it actually still works. While it is an item from my childhood, I simply can't keep it any longer. Any ideas on what to do with such a beast? -kms Kareem Shehata kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 12:12:38 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:12:38 -0400 Subject: : In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46f7a99e.0c39400a.4701.ffffd55f@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Robert > Brockway > Sent: Monday 24 September 2007 07:47 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: RE: [TLUG]: > > On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Kareem Shehata wrote: > > > Read you 5/5 kilo romeo. > > Rotfl. That's the best response to a test I've ever seen :) Glad I could make someone's morning! -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 13:29:25 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Henrietta Gunn) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:29:25 -0500 Subject: Your Phenterm1ne 0rder #982601 Message-ID: We have everything you need: Phenterm1ne, Cial1s S0ft T4bs, V1agra S0ft T4bs, Cial1s, V1agra, Lev1tra, Propec1a, Val1um, Xan4x, Amb1en, Zyb4n, Atar4x, At1van, Car1soma, Ultr4m, Glucoph4ge, Lip1tor, Mer1dia, Zoc0r, N0rvasc. We respect your privacy - we guarantee you a total anonymity of your 0rder. Visit US He4lthc4re Inc. online at: http://www.speowwiiw.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 12:44:58 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:44:58 -0400 Subject: Vintage Hardware In-Reply-To: <46f7a965.0d1f400a.0449.ffffe87f-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46f7a965.0d1f400a.0449.ffffe87f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On 9/24/07, Kareem Shehata wrote: > Just when I thought the old CRT was the worst I'd have to deal with, the > archeological site known as "The Cottage" unearthed a true relic: An ancient > IBM XT complete with amber CRT! Yup, this powerhouse boasts an Intel 8088 > and not one, but TWO of the incredible 5.25" floppy drives, and the GIGANTIC > 20 MiB hard drive! I haven't tried firing it up yet and didn't end up > bringing it back to the city (have to check that my car is certified to > carry such a load), so I have no idea if it actually still works. While it > is an item from my childhood, I simply can't keep it any longer. Any ideas > on what to do with such a beast? At some point, it's just too expensive to run for what minscule computing power it can provide, at which point it becomes heavy waste :-(. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 12:52:03 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:52:03 -0400 Subject: Vintage Hardware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46f7b2da.0d2b400a.5f52.fffff10a@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of > Christopher Browne > Sent: Monday 24 September 2007 08:45 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Vintage Hardware > > > At some point, it's just too expensive to run for what minscule > computing power it can provide, at which point it becomes heavy waste > :-(. Very true, however I was hoping more for a "Computing Museum" of some sort... thought the parts might be useful somewhere. Thought I'd give it one last ditch effort. At the very least, it would be great to recover the material. It probably has the same amount of metal as a new Kia! -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 14:11:48 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:11:48 -0400 Subject: free antispam for Linux In-Reply-To: <46F7B3A4.4060803-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200709232058.55257.jab@muskokatech.ca> <46F7B3A4.4060803@netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <20070924141148.GQ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 08:55:00AM -0400, John Van Ostrand wrote: > The summary of all this is that generally most solutions use more than > one technique for finding spam. SpamAssassin performs pattern matching > in the email and meta data, greylisting and delayed banners check for > impatient MTAs, RBLs look for known spammers or for hosts that shouldn't > be sending email, OCR decodes images to look for words, razor and pyzor > compare messages with a network of MTAs, spam traps capture spam and > there are many more techniques. > > One thing that I've learned is that there isn't a fire-and-forget open > source solution. Each needs tuning and work to keep up. I tend to have > to re-tune my solution (MailScanner) quarterly. I use RulesDuJour to > keep spam assassin rules up to date daily, but I have to check for new > rule sets manually. MailScanner comes up with new ways to detect spam so > upgrading and reviewing it's changelog are valuable. Very rarely I will > institute a new MTA method (like delayed banner) or turn on a new > MailScanner feature. > > In my case my server processes about 10,000 messages a day. About 5,000 > are refused before they submit the message. Of the 5,000 remaining about > 2,000 are spam. I have bogofilter setup to auto add words from messages that it already declare to be spam so it can learn new ones. If I see messages it missed in my inbox, I feed them to it to learn. Similarly if I ever do find a false positive I feed that to it to learn that it was not spam. For the most part I don't have to do anything and it just does the right thing. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 14:19:19 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:19:19 -0400 Subject: Sept 11th Meeting, What happened? In-Reply-To: References: <155676.62751.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070912001409.3bd0e216@david.chipman> <313ea3dd0709112158j1112cf61sfe1d6d2411064248@mail.gmail.com> <20070912124326.GK5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070917124009.GJ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070924141919.GR5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 11:46:35PM -0400, Robert Brockway wrote: > Ouch. I consider $20 a negligible amount for a club membership. This > money can cover the inevitable incidental costs that any organisation > generates. I suspect that in the past these minor costs were born by > members without compensation. > > My involvement in GTALUG has certainly given me _much_ more than $20/year > value. I pay $2 per term (or $6 per year) for my membership in the CSC at Waterloo (the Computer Science Club). Members get access to the library, talks (although many are open to non members too), have the priviledge of being allowed to get an account on the CSC systems (which is how I still have this account), get to vote in the elections each term (if one bothers to show up), etc. If I had set the price for membership in GTALUG it would probably have been $5 or at most $10 per year. Of course I would also have to tell people what that got them, which other than being able to vote, I really have no idea at this time. I know the purpose of the money I pay the CSC. They spend it to upgrade hardware, pay for donuts for their talks, occationally new furniture for their office, etc. I have no clue what GTALUG is doing with the money they collect (if any). There is a serious lack of openness about what GTALUG does and why it does it. Or maybe the real answer is that nobody knows. The CSC has publicly posted (to their usenet group) meeting minutes for many meetings, and post their budget so people have a clue what is going on. Perhaps GTALUG should be doing the same. Well that's my point of view. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 14:22:43 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:22:43 -0400 Subject: Sept 11th Meeting, What happened? In-Reply-To: References: <155676.62751.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070912001409.3bd0e216@david.chipman> <313ea3dd0709112158j1112cf61sfe1d6d2411064248@mail.gmail.com> <20070912124326.GK5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070917124009.GJ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070924142243.GS5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 12:46:53AM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > Most of the money has been used to pay expenses for printing and such > for materials for the spring trade show (presently called IT360, > sometimes called LinuxWorld or RealWorldLinux). > > The number was set at $20, if memory serves, because it was generally > agreed that this was small enough that it wouldn't generally be > considered a "material" expense. > > It doesn't take a terribly fancy restaurant to have a meal that costs > that much or more. And I think the metric of "cost of meal" may well > have come up in discussion... Some people don't go to restaurants because of the cost. Certainly many students don't (at least high school students who never have much money in my experience). If you want people to join a club and pay membership the cost has to be low enough that people don't care about the cost. $20 is certainly too high for that. A membership that costs the same as a cup of coffee no one blinks at. If it costs the same as dinner at a restaurant, then you want to have a good reason to pay it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 13:59:39 2007 From: matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Matt Middleton) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:59:39 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <20070923152618.06de99fc-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070923152618.06de99fc@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20070924095939.myxh7y7kmqisoc4k@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> Unfortunately, using plain-text didn't allow me to emphasize the word PARANOIA - most people with at least 50% gray matter know that was an isolated incident that has stuck us with these ridiculous "security" protocols. As for sacrificing freedom for security, that's the Ben Franklin quote, and I do agree. To be honest, I don't think that many of the measures implemented are really making us any safer. That being said, you can make one of two choices - conform and fly, or don't conform and don't fly. If you don't like the measures here, you might manage to convince your MP to address the issue, but the measures in other countries are pretty much out of our hands. Quoting JoeHill : > Matt Middleton wrote: > >> In this day and age, especially with the paranoia about people trying >> to do horrible things with airplanes, > > What people doing what horrible things on what planes? I pay quite a bit of > attention to the news, and the last time there was anything > 'horrible' was over > six years ago, though the responses to that event by the West have certainly > been horrifying for a lot of people. > > Unfortunately, what we have here is a great example of the paranoid > propaganda > from the far right sneaking its way into the consciousness of otherwise > intelligent people. > > Who is it on here who has the sig about 'those who sacrifice liberty for > security'? I like that one. > > -- > JoeHill > ++++++++++++++++++++ > Amy: Bender, you should be more ashamed of yourself than usual. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 14:03:20 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:03:20 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo-lGUHJOqNqQhyLmsWvbx5QJQhnBGJm0FR@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> Message-ID: <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 03:15:32PM -0400, Matt Middleton wrote: > In this day and age, especially with the paranoia about people trying > to do horrible things with airplanes, it unfortunately forces us to > conform. If you choose not to, fine, but you must be prepared for the > potential consequences - in this case, damn near being shot. > > I've done a fair bit of flying over the last couple of years, and I do > the same thing as you Colin - there's no point in trying to make a > "statement" at the airport. If you really wanted to make some sort of > pro-geek statement, wear a Penguin shirt, or something from a place > like ThinkGeek. And why all the worry about airports? They already did airplanes. Why won't they pick trains, ships (just remember what happend many years ago in halifax from a ship), busses, etc. Someone setting of a bomb in a large train station would probably kill as many people as 9/11 did. Can you screen everyone entering a train station? Not if you want it to work you can't. Until people start dealing with the reason there are people doing crazy things then they will continue to happen. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 14:08:06 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:08:06 -0400 Subject: How to delete a non existant file? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070924140806.GO5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 10:42:03AM -0400, Martin Duclos wrote: > > I have a directory that contains a file > ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? 1184898963.V901I2e6138 > I can't delete this file. I can't delete the directory either. I'm think a file system check might fix it but I'd rather not have to take the system down. It's a remote server and I don't have physical access to it. I has no inode, no permission, no owner. I suspect this happened when the box went down because of bad ram a while back. Any ideas? Last time I saw something like that, it was a dead NFS mount that just had to be unmounted. This one though looks more like time to run fsck. You probably have a corrupt directory entry that needs cleaning. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 14:09:56 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:09:56 -0400 Subject: How to delete a non existant file? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070924140956.GP5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 04:17:29PM -0400, Robert Brockway wrote: > I agree with the others that it is likely FS corruption and a fsck may be > needed. Now you could mount the FS read-only and fsck from there but > you'd need to shutdown any processes with any files on the FS open for > write. This can be done remotely but isn't necessarily the best approach. > > In these situations I have someone local insert a Knoppix cdrom (and > knowing the box will boot from cdrom) I reboot the server. If you are > using a Vanilla Knoppix cdrom you have to get someone to start sshd. I > have built a custom Knoppix cdrom which starts sshd on boot but only > allows access via PKI authentication - my public keys are all setup within > Knoppix of course. > > Another thing to consider here is that if DHCP is not enabled the network > settings would either need to be hard wired on the Knoppix cdrom or > someone would need to set it for you from the console. > > Once the box has booted off the cdrom and access via ssh is obtained you > are free to do whatever you want to the box. You don't need a @#$@#$ knoppix disc if the machine is working fine. A simple shutdown -F -r now will cause a reboot with a forced fsck run at the beginning of boot, and as long as someone is present to hit enter if it asks stupid questions (which it rarely does) then you are fine. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 13:39:03 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:39:03 -0400 Subject: free antispam for Linux In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0709211656t5f3daeb3oabea737c82fe1360-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709211656t5f3daeb3oabea737c82fe1360@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070924133903.GK5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 07:56:26PM -0400, Scott Elcomb wrote: > I'm not sure what Lennard (Lennart?) is running, but SpamAssassin is a > popular solution. IIRC, It's installed by default on a number of the > more popular distributions. (Red Hat based systems have been doing it > for a few years now I think, but I'm fairly certain I've also seen it > in other distros as well.) My experience is spam assassin sucks. It is slow, cpu intensive, makes many false positives, and misses a lot of spam. Don't bother is my opinion. You just can't keep up with spam using regular expression matching. > Also worth a look is Clam AntiVirus - I'm fairly certain these two > projects can work together to create robust mail servers on top of > Linux. > > http://spamassassin.apache.org/ > http://www.clamav.net/ clamav isn't bad. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 14:00:14 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:00:14 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070921213550.65c443c5.gstrom@teksavvy.com> <200709221314.13022.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <3a97ef0709231544v542f8dfej13b6fcd94d3a7663@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070924140014.GL5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 09:21:48PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > One of my brothers had something "more interesting;" he had > (non-working, of course) samples of the charges used for automobile > airbags. They were 'provably' non-functional samples on the basis of > having a drop of orange paint, in an appropriate spot. > > All was well, and everyone was happy enough with that. > > Of course, the "fly" in the ointment is that painting an orange dot on > a *real* one wouldn't be terribly difficult, and that would presumably > be a way to get a not-inconsiderable bit of explosive onto a plane. I > don't think they'd permit this anymore. I would hope the airport's explosives detector could tell the difference. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 13:37:56 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:37:56 -0400 Subject: free antispam for Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070924133756.GJ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 07:37:44PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > I think Lennard wrote once that he has his email since 1994 and does > not care about spam? This account I got when I started at Waterloo in 1994, and I have used it since. > What was that software you are using? I use bogofilter called from procmail. My bogofilter database is currently 93MB. I had been previously collecting all my spam in a mail folder, so when I decided to try bogofilter, I fed it the whole folder of about 20000 spams and said 'this is spam'. Then I fed it my other mail folders (about 10000 messages) and told it 'this is not spam' and that probably got it to around 99% accuracy, and I think I have only ever found 1 message in the spam folder that should have been there, but it was due to someone sending me an html email with a broken attachment that made match all sorts of crap on the mime64 encodded block. > I need to convince my boss that there is free software of high quality > around, for Linux, for protecting from spam. Well things like a barracuda do as far as I can tell exactly the same thing as bogofilter, exept the interface is web based and it comes on a dedicated box you pay lots of money for, and it comes preloaded with some data to start it out. Of course if someone wants it I can put my bogofilter database on my webpage (after compressing it) if someone wants to get a bogofilter with a head start. lately I have been seeing a lot less spam messages on this account though (only maybe 15 or 20 messages a day rather than the typical 200 to 300), which I believe has to do with some new greylisting system the mail server had installed. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 12:55:00 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:55:00 -0400 Subject: free antispam for Linux In-Reply-To: <200709232058.55257.jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw@public.gmane.org> References: <200709232058.55257.jab@muskokatech.ca> Message-ID: <46F7B3A4.4060803@netdirect.ca> Jeremy Baker wrote: > I use Maia Mailguard. It is an amavisd based web frontend that uses > spamassassin and clamav to process incoming mail. Works great. > The summary of all this is that generally most solutions use more than one technique for finding spam. SpamAssassin performs pattern matching in the email and meta data, greylisting and delayed banners check for impatient MTAs, RBLs look for known spammers or for hosts that shouldn't be sending email, OCR decodes images to look for words, razor and pyzor compare messages with a network of MTAs, spam traps capture spam and there are many more techniques. One thing that I've learned is that there isn't a fire-and-forget open source solution. Each needs tuning and work to keep up. I tend to have to re-tune my solution (MailScanner) quarterly. I use RulesDuJour to keep spam assassin rules up to date daily, but I have to check for new rule sets manually. MailScanner comes up with new ways to detect spam so upgrading and reviewing it's changelog are valuable. Very rarely I will institute a new MTA method (like delayed banner) or turn on a new MailScanner feature. In my case my server processes about 10,000 messages a day. About 5,000 are refused before they submit the message. Of the 5,000 remaining about 2,000 are spam. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux Conference for users by users. -- *John Van Ostrand* *Net Direct Inc.* CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 map Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 ext.5102 *Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware* Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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OK, so I've now set up the > kernel properly, and rebooted, re-emerged alsa-lib and alsa-utils and > audacious and audacious-plugins, but am still having the same problems > (audacious and mpg123 which use ALSA, die; Realplayer and mpg321 get by > with the OSS api on ALSA). revdep-rebuild doesn't find anything wrong. > What do I do now to recover ALSA functionality? emerge --world? What permissions are on your alsa sound devices? What group do they belong to? Is your user in that group? As for doing things with emerge... Don't get me started on Gentoo. You don't want to know. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 14:54:11 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:54:11 -0400 Subject: Vintage Hardware In-Reply-To: <46f7a965.0d1f400a.0449.ffffe87f-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46f7a965.0d1f400a.0449.ffffe87f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20070924145411.GT5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 08:11:41AM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: > Just when I thought the old CRT was the worst I'd have to deal with, the > archeological site known as "The Cottage" unearthed a true relic: An ancient > IBM XT complete with amber CRT! Yup, this powerhouse boasts an Intel 8088 > and not one, but TWO of the incredible 5.25" floppy drives, and the GIGANTIC > 20 MiB hard drive! I haven't tried firing it up yet and didn't end up > bringing it back to the city (have to check that my car is certified to > carry such a load), so I have no idea if it actually still works. While it > is an item from my childhood, I simply can't keep it any longer. Any ideas > on what to do with such a beast? They make exellent doorstops. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 16:01:55 2007 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Karyn Louis) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:01:55 -0500 Subject: Stylish repl1ca w4tches from famous brands Message-ID: With hundreds of models to choose from, rock bottom prices and the best customer service in the whole wide web, Prest1ge Repl1cas has become the standard by which repl1ca w4tches stores are measured. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 15:04:50 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:04:50 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <20070924140320.GM5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070924110450.1c0b5ef8@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 03:15:32PM -0400, Matt Middleton wrote: > > In this day and age, especially with the paranoia about people trying > > to do horrible things with airplanes, it unfortunately forces us to > > conform. If you choose not to, fine, but you must be prepared for the > > potential consequences - in this case, damn near being shot. > > > > I've done a fair bit of flying over the last couple of years, and I do > > the same thing as you Colin - there's no point in trying to make a > > "statement" at the airport. If you really wanted to make some sort of > > pro-geek statement, wear a Penguin shirt, or something from a place > > like ThinkGeek. > > And why all the worry about airports? Because people see the big flashy security doodads at the airport and think 'wow, they're really doing something about this terrorism thing'. > They already did airplanes. Why won't they pick trains, ships (just remember > what happend many years ago in halifax from a ship), busses, etc. Someone > setting of a bomb in a large train station would probably kill as many people > as 9/11 did. Can you screen everyone entering a train station? Not if you > want it to work you can't. And last time I checked, the security was not all that tight at the subway either. You know what else? I'm pretty sure I've never seen any really rich people on the subway ;) > Until people start dealing with the reason there are people doing crazy > things then they will continue to happen. Unfortunately, this is the kind of kind of thinking that is just not allowed within the current debate. Current dogma is that there is no possible way that we could ever change anything so that people might hate us less. We're supposed to just bomb them, which will somehow make them... not want to bomb us? -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Fry: I've only got two fantasies left: to be invisible in a chocolate factory, and to be romantically linked to a celebrity. Bender: I could pound your head 'til you think that's what happened. Fry: Okay. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 17:10:17 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: How to delete a non existant file? In-Reply-To: <20070924140956.GP5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070924140956.GP5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > You don't need a @#$@#$ knoppix disc if the machine is working fine. Lennart, I said it was an option. I didn't suggest it was the only option. The use of a Knoppix cdrom means _I_ see the errors rather than expecting someone to read them over the phone. Most people don't understand what they are reading and so can't convey the info easily (having them just read words or characters off the screen is not sufficient, trust me). In some data centres the staff are specifically not supposed to help in this way. In addition if things go really bad I can do everything I need to do over ssh. Talking someone through complicated shell commands is about 100 times harder than the approach I'm suggesting. Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 17:40:09 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:40:09 -0400 Subject: Vintage Hardware In-Reply-To: <46f7b2da.0d2b400a.5f52.fffff10a-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46f7b2da.0d2b400a.5f52.fffff10a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20070924134009.0e8f96c9@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Kareem Shehata wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of > > Christopher Browne > > Sent: Monday 24 September 2007 08:45 > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Vintage Hardware > > > > > > At some point, it's just too expensive to run for what minscule > > computing power it can provide, at which point it becomes heavy waste > > :-(. > > Very true, however I was hoping more for a "Computing Museum" of some > sort... thought the parts might be useful somewhere. Thought I'd give it > one last ditch effort. At the very least, it would be great to recover the > material. It probably has the same amount of metal as a new Kia! rofl! You're in witty mode today. Keep it up :) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: "In the event of an emergency, my ass can be used as a floatation device." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 17:53:46 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:53:46 -0400 Subject: How to delete a non existant file? In-Reply-To: References: <20070924140956.GP5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070924175346.GU5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 01:10:17PM -0400, Robert Brockway wrote: > Lennart, I said it was an option. I didn't suggest it was the only > option. The use of a Knoppix cdrom means _I_ see the errors rather than > expecting someone to read them over the phone. Most people don't > understand what they are reading and so can't convey the info easily > (having them just read words or characters off the screen is not > sufficient, trust me). In some data centres the staff are specifically > not supposed to help in this way. > > In addition if things go really bad I can do everything I need to do over > ssh. Talking someone through complicated shell commands is about 100 > times harder than the approach I'm suggesting. I think if I ever had to deal with colocated servers, I would insist on getting an ssh enabled serial console server. At least then you get remote access to the console when you need it. Oh and remote power control too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 19:18:28 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:18:28 +0000 Subject: Problems with sound In-Reply-To: <20070924140655.GN5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070921180124.GA8072@waltdnes.org> <20070921185709.GI5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924045408.GA32596@waltdnes.org> <20070924140655.GN5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709241218m715cf8clbee7696b957fde2c@mail.gmail.com> Ahhh, good point. Does it work as root but not as a standard user (which would indeed be a permissions issue). However, I assumed that since it worked before this wasn't the case, but perhaps udev or something of that ilk decided to rewrite the permissions on various devices. It might be an idea to check the permissions on some of these: /dev/snd* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* And if using udev or something of that sort: /dev/.static/snd* /dev/.static/audio* /dev/.static/mixer* On 9/24/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 12:54:08AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > It was a PEBKAC error. I built the new kernel but forgot to make it > > the default at bootup. They say that memory is the second thing to go, > > I forget what the first is. > > > > Anyhow I had ALSA 1.0.13 in the kernel, with 1.0.14 alsa-lib and > > alsa-utils. That obviously doesn't work. OK, so I've now set up the > > kernel properly, and rebooted, re-emerged alsa-lib and alsa-utils and > > audacious and audacious-plugins, but am still having the same problems > > (audacious and mpg123 which use ALSA, die; Realplayer and mpg321 get by > > with the OSS api on ALSA). revdep-rebuild doesn't find anything wrong. > > What do I do now to recover ALSA functionality? emerge --world? > > What permissions are on your alsa sound devices? What group do they > belong to? Is your user in that group? > > As for doing things with emerge... Don't get me started on Gentoo. You > don't want to know. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ryanakca-76NvkEy9HQZAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 20:46:37 2007 From: ryanakca-76NvkEy9HQZAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org (Ryan K.) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:46:37 -0400 Subject: : In-Reply-To: <46f7a99e.0c39400a.4701.ffffd55f-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46f7a99e.0c39400a.4701.ffffd55f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <212bd3ad0709241346q2030885diceac0896fc780375@mail.gmail.com> Haha, well, in the subscribtion email, it said to send an email to 'tlug-rules-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org' for help.... I thought I'd get an automatically generated email back with how to use the lists (aka, send mail to tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org for X, tlug-hardware-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org for X, etc... as well as the rules, etc. I guess not :D Cheers, Ryan -- Ryan K. (ryanakca) Get my public key: http://blog.ryanak.ca/E95EDDC9.gpg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 21:07:43 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: How to delete a non existant file? In-Reply-To: <20070924175346.GU5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070924140956.GP5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924175346.GU5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I think if I ever had to deal with colocated servers, I would insist on > getting an ssh enabled serial console server. At least then you get > remote access to the console when you need it. When possible I have indeed done this. It is very cool to take a box off the network when it is 15000km away, reconfigure it's networking and bring it backup all from a serial console. Often the client only has a single box in the colo so a serial console isn't an option (a 2nd box is too difficult to justify). If 2 servers are available you can cross-connect the consoles bearing in mind that this puts them in the same security domain (each system is essentially defenceless to an attack from the other). When you have multiple servers a serial console server starts to make sense. > Oh and remote power control too. That is generally available. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 21:12:21 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:12:21 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <20070918172142.GC5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46EAFBD7.80006@chrisaitken.net> <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> <20070917131901.GL5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EEE827.7010608@chrisaitken.net> <20070917210018.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EFF1E5.6040307@chrisaitken.net> <20070918162710.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F00608.9040301@chrisaitken.net> <20070918172142.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46F82835.2020603@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 01:08:24PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> If I chose the filesystem it would have been ext3. Sometimes they are >> auto-assigned Vol-something (I don't understand that system). >> >> one >> >> I'm not familiar with LVM (I choose No whenever offered that) and >> certainly it's not RAID. >> >> I didn't choose anything exotic. >> >> It's still on IDE 1 as slave (I checked that it's still jumpered to slave). >> > > So everything says there should be something simple to find, yet > everything is acting as if the drive was overwritten by zeros pretty > much. > > >> [root at p733 chris]# /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sdb >> >> Disk /dev/sdb: 10.0 GB, 10005037056 bytes >> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1216 cylinders >> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes >> >> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System >> /dev/sdb1 * 1 1 0 0 Empty >> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. >> >> [root at p733 chris]# dd if=/dev/sdb of=/tmp/sdb.scan bs=512 count=100 >> skip=63;file /tmp/sdb.scan >> 100+0 records in >> 100+0 records out >> 51200 bytes (51 kB) copied, 0.0327913 s, 1.6 MB/s >> /tmp/sdb.scan: data >> > > Hmm. Well given the geometry of the drive, that is where any first > partition would normally start. For example I get: > > lennartsorensen:~# dd if=/dev/sda of=/tmp/scan bs=512 count=100 skip=63 > 100+0 records in > 100+0 records out > 51200 bytes (51 kB) copied, 0.000804977 seconds, 63.6 MB/s > lennartsorensen:~# file /tmp/scan > /tmp/scan: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery) > > If you open the /tmp file created in a hex editor is it all 00s or FFs > or a bunch of random data? > Okay, I finally opened it in midnight commander. Edit mode shows that it is just one line of dots (periods). Does this mean the data is gone? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 21:21:39 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:21:39 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <20070924140320.GM5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46F82A63.3030809@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > And why all the worry about airports? They already did airplanes. Why > won't they pick trains, ships (just remember what happend many years ago > in halifax from a ship), busses, etc. Someone setting of a bomb in a > large train station would probably kill as many people as 9/11 did. Can > you screen everyone entering a train station? Not if you want it to > work you can't. > What are you referring to about Halifax. The only thing that comes to mind was the Halifax explosion in WW1, when a ship carrying munitions collided with another ship and exploded. That ship was carrying explosives & fuel as it's intended cargo and not some terrorist activity. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 21:32:47 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:32:47 -0400 Subject: How to delete a non existant file? In-Reply-To: References: <20070924140956.GP5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924175346.GU5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070924213247.GV5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 05:07:43PM -0400, Robert Brockway wrote: > When possible I have indeed done this. It is very cool to take a box off > the network when it is 15000km away, reconfigure it's networking and bring > it backup all from a serial console. > > Often the client only has a single box in the colo so a serial console > isn't an option (a 2nd box is too difficult to justify). You can get little 3 x 4 x 1" boxes that have a serial port and an ethernet. Of course you still want to be sure they do ssh or other secure communications. Still that is small enough you could probably stick it onto the back of your existing box without taking up extra rack space. Those are about $350. > If 2 servers are available you can cross-connect the consoles bearing in > mind that this puts them in the same security domain (each system is > essentially defenceless to an attack from the other). > > When you have multiple servers a serial console server starts to make > sense. Well you can easily get 8 port secure console servers that fit in 1U for $700, which compared to what I understand datacenter rack cost for the servers to be, is essentially nothing (other than the 1U extra space you need). But yes of course if you have two servers you can cross connect them (although preferably each should have two serial ports since having two consoles talk to each other is not usually a good idea). Of course you do need an IP address for the serial server in either case, although you don't need to pay for lots of bandwidth. Not sure how much of a rip off each IP address is. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 21:33:53 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:33:53 -0400 Subject: mount slave drive In-Reply-To: <46F82835.2020603-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46EBEC0F.40800@chrisaitken.net> <20070917131901.GL5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EEE827.7010608@chrisaitken.net> <20070917210018.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46EFF1E5.6040307@chrisaitken.net> <20070918162710.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F00608.9040301@chrisaitken.net> <20070918172142.GC5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F82835.2020603@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070924213353.GW5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 05:12:21PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > Okay, I finally opened it in midnight commander. Edit mode shows that it > is just one line of dots (periods). Does this mean the data is gone? No, dots often mean 'unprintable' character in hex editors. If it tells you the hex value of each character that might tell you something more useful. Did you look at any of the other tools I suggested that scan a device for known filetype headers to try and recover files? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 21:35:48 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:35:48 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <46F82A63.3030809-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F82A63.3030809@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070924213548.GX5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 05:21:39PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > What are you referring to about Halifax. The only thing that comes to > mind was the Halifax explosion in WW1, when a ship carrying munitions > collided with another ship and exploded. That ship was carrying > explosives & fuel as it's intended cargo and not some terrorist activity. But a terrorist could load up a ship with explosives and sail it somewhere and do lots of damage. Might be hard to do the level of damage of a ship totally packed with such things, but still. Beats a truck blowing up or even an airplane. From what I understand the security at ports is also dreadful given it just isn't considered high priority. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 22:23:21 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:23:21 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <20070924110450.1c0b5ef8-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924110450.1c0b5ef8@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0709241523m501cc6c8ofe6977fc4a8df108@mail.gmail.com> On 9/24/07, JoeHill wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: [...] > > And why all the worry about airports? > > Because people see the big flashy security doodads at the airport and think > 'wow, they're really doing something about this terrorism thing'. Here's a new "flashy doodad," but probably not the same flashy you were thinking of - this one's all about subliminal data mining. A choice quote from http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/09/mind_reading : "SSRM Tek is presented to a subject as an innocent computer game that flashes subliminal images across the screen -- like pictures of Osama bin Laden or the World Trade Center. The "player" -- a traveler at an airport screening line, for example -- presses a button in response to the images, without consciously registering what he or she is looking at. The terrorist's response to the scrambled image involuntarily differs from the innocent person's, according to the theory." -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 22:30:15 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:30:15 -0400 Subject: Vintage Hardware In-Reply-To: <20070924145411.GT5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46f7a965.0d1f400a.0449.ffffe87f@mx.google.com> <20070924145411.GT5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46F83A77.8040405@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 08:11:41AM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: > >> Just when I thought the old CRT was the worst I'd have to deal with, the >> archeological site known as "The Cottage" unearthed a true relic: An ancient >> IBM XT complete with amber CRT! Yup, this powerhouse boasts an Intel 8088 >> and not one, but TWO of the incredible 5.25" floppy drives, and the GIGANTIC >> 20 MiB hard drive! I haven't tried firing it up yet and didn't end up >> bringing it back to the city (have to check that my car is certified to >> carry such a load), so I have no idea if it actually still works. While it >> is an item from my childhood, I simply can't keep it any longer. Any ideas >> on what to do with such a beast? >> > > They make exellent doorstops. :) > > Use 'em as a space heater. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 22:35:22 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:35:22 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <20070924110450.1c0b5ef8-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924110450.1c0b5ef8@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <46F83BAA.1040708@dinamis.com> JoeHill wrote: > And last time I checked, the security was not all that tight at the subway > either. How do you know? Security need not be "in your face". > You know what else? I'm pretty sure I've never seen any really rich > people on the subway ;) What does "a really rich person" look like? Is their net worth stamped on their foreheads? What is "rich"? >> Until people start dealing with the reason there are people doing crazy >> things then they will continue to happen. > > Unfortunately, this is the kind of kind of thinking that is just not allowed > within the current debate. Current dogma is that there is no possible way that > we could ever change anything so that people might hate us less. We're supposed > to just bomb them, which will somehow make them... not want to bomb us? It is folly to think that showering those who would perpetrate such outrages as 9/11 could be dissuaded from their evil intent merely by showering them with money or by being nice to them. None of the 9/11 hijackers were impoverished. All had many opportunities available to them but they chose to destroy their lives along with the lives of thousands of innocents despite all that. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 23:02:38 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:02:38 -0400 Subject: Vintage Hardware In-Reply-To: <46F83A77.8040405-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46f7a965.0d1f400a.0449.ffffe87f@mx.google.com> <20070924145411.GT5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F83A77.8040405@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46F8420E.8060303@ve3syb.ca> James Knott wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 08:11:41AM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: >>> Intel 8088 >>> and not one, but TWO of the incredible 5.25" floppy drives, and the GIGANTIC >>> 20 MiB hard drive! [snip] >>> Any ideas on what to do with such a beast? >>> >> They make exellent doorstops. :) >> >> > > Use 'em as a space heater. ;-) Don't forget boat anchor. ;-) -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 23:06:36 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:06:36 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <46F83BAA.1040708-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924110450.1c0b5ef8@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F83BAA.1040708@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <46F842FC.9050501@rogers.com> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > It is folly to think that showering those who would perpetrate such > outrages as 9/11 could be dissuaded from their evil intent merely by > showering them with money or by being nice to them. None of the 9/11 > hijackers were impoverished. All had many opportunities available to > them but they chose to destroy their lives along with the lives of > thousands of innocents despite all that. Quite so. With religion, being on the "wrong" side can get you killed. Now add that to a culture where vengeance, hatred and bigotry are the norm and you've got a problem that you can't solve except by removing those who are causing the problem. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 23:12:36 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:12:36 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <46F83BAA.1040708-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924110450.1c0b5ef8@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F83BAA.1040708@dinamis.com> Message-ID: On 9/24/07, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > JoeHill wrote: > > And last time I checked, the security was not all that tight at the subway > > either. > > How do you know? Security need not be "in your face". It is relatively easy to learn about security level at such places like subway. Some small provocation, act of vandalism, perhaps criminal accident will reveal a lot of information about how the security system is working. Besides, we see a lot by naked eye. > > You know what else? I'm pretty sure I've never seen any really rich > > people on the subway ;) > > What does "a really rich person" look like? Is their net worth stamped > on their foreheads? What is "rich"? ;) "Rich" are these who do not use subway ;) Today I read that to be in the upper 5% of Canadians one need to earn 89,000 .Well.. I am far away from that limit, so I guess at least 5% of Canadians are reach. I wonder only why i am so stupid or what that with PhD and... a job requiring, I am sure, more learning all the time than a medical doctor, I am well below that line... But thats OT... ;) > >> Until people start dealing with the reason there are people doing crazy > >> things then they will continue to happen. > > > > Unfortunately, this is the kind of kind of thinking that is just not allowed > > within the current debate. Current dogma is that there is no possible way that > > we could ever change anything so that people might hate us less. We're supposed > > to just bomb them, which will somehow make them... not want to bomb us? > > It is folly to think that showering those who would perpetrate such > outrages as 9/11 could be dissuaded from their evil intent merely by > showering them with money or by being nice to them. None of the 9/11 > hijackers were impoverished. All had many opportunities available to > them but they chose to destroy their lives along with the lives of > thousands of innocents despite all that. Hence, you believe in the official story. I do not. May be your opponents are skeptical as well, I dont know... zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 24 23:50:34 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: How to delete a non existant file? In-Reply-To: <20070924213247.GV5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070924140956.GP5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924175346.GU5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924213247.GV5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > You can get little 3 x 4 x 1" boxes that have a serial port and an > ethernet. Of course you still want to be sure they do ssh or other > secure communications. Still that is small enough you could probably > stick it onto the back of your existing box without taking up extra rack > space. Those are about $350. The problem is the colo will likely still charge it as a seperate box. They normally charge for a subset of power, space, network and/or IPs - and it won't be the subset which is convenient to us :) If it needs a network port and a power point it'll likely get charged as another box, which is fair enough as it is consuming their resources. > Well you can easily get 8 port secure console servers that fit in 1U for > $700, which compared to what I understand datacenter rack cost for the Amazingly few people have taken this approach even when it makes sense. I have tried to convince quite a few companies... > servers to be, is essentially nothing (other than the 1U extra space you > need). But yes of course if you have two servers you can cross connect > them (although preferably each should have two serial ports since having > two consoles talk to each other is not usually a good idea). That's what I meant by cross-connect. I've never known 2 consoles plugged together to work. BTW when I have run serial console servers I run only ssh on the box and lock ssh down to pki auth only. So the Knoppix cdrom becomes a viable alternative to a serial console in a variety of situations. I recently rebuilt a box in Florida in a colo using this approach. It had a twin in Toronto which I rebuilt from RH to Ubuntu at the console. I then imaged the filesystems (xfsdump) here, booted the box in Florida to Knoppix, repartitioned the drives and dumped the images directly on to the box. Then I reran the boot loader and voila - working Ubuntu box in Florida. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 00:12:26 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:12:26 -0400 Subject: Global warming. ;-) Message-ID: <46F8526A.5040906@rogers.com> http://www.grimmy.com/images/MGG_Archive/MGG_2007/MGG0924.gif -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 00:12:29 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:12:29 -0400 Subject: starcraft Message-ID: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> I want to put linux on my son's computer. The bottom line is that he be able to play Starcraft. I know the things out there for Windows programs include winex (incl. cedega transgaming), CodeWeavers, Win4Lin and VMWare. I don't mind paying for all this to work. Although I was proud to be able to get my emu 1212 m pci soundcard working under linux I think this would be a harder task (maybe beyond me). Some of these things (winex et al.) I believe are kind of in bed with a couple of OSs (linspire? SuSE?). I have read some unfavourable comments about linspire/cedega that you have to pay, pay, pay, for a questionable product (not to mention it's not GPL correct). Another sticking point for my son is whether or not he'll be able to play Startcraft /online./ He says there are extra software bits to download for that - he's assuming these have not been ported to linux. Cedega guarantees Starcraft but they don't mention playing online. I've been able to do most things I've set out to do on linux (in large part by the grace of this mailing list) but what are my chances of success with this project? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 01:12:59 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:12:59 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46F8526D.8040208-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46F8609B.1060501@alteeve.com> Chris Aitken wrote: > I want to put linux on my son's computer. The bottom line is that he be > able to play Starcraft. I know the things out there for Windows programs > include winex (incl. cedega transgaming), CodeWeavers, Win4Lin and > VMWare. I don't mind paying for all this to work. Although I was proud > to be able to get my emu 1212 m pci soundcard working under linux I > think this would be a harder task (maybe beyond me). Some of these > things (winex et al.) I believe are kind of in bed with a couple of OSs > (linspire? SuSE?). > > I have read some unfavourable comments about linspire/cedega that you > have to pay, pay, pay, for a questionable product (not to mention it's > not GPL correct). Another sticking point for my son is whether or not > he'll be able to play Startcraft /online./ He says there are extra > software bits to download for that - he's assuming these have not been > ported to linux. Cedega guarantees Starcraft but they don't mention > playing online. I've been able to do most things I've set out to do on > linux (in large part by the grace of this mailing list) but what are my > chances of success with this project? > > Chris I got World Of Warcraft (big MMORPG) today under Ubuntu following this HowTo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=312482&highlight=low+memory Replace the WoW executables with Starcraft and you should be good to go. I did have to tweak my Xorg.conf file because of an "issue" with this particular card, but otherwise it's fine, and it is online play. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 01:34:13 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:34:13 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46F8609B.1060501-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <46F8609B.1060501@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <46F86595.9090106@chrisaitken.net> Madison Kelly wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: >> I want to put linux on my son's computer. The bottom line is that he >> be able to play Starcraft. I know the things out there for Windows >> programs include winex (incl. cedega transgaming), CodeWeavers, >> Win4Lin and VMWare. I don't mind paying for all this to work. >> Although I was proud to be able to get my emu 1212 m pci soundcard >> working under linux I think this would be a harder task (maybe beyond >> me). Some of these things (winex et al.) I believe are kind of in bed >> with a couple of OSs (linspire? SuSE?). >> >> I have read some unfavourable comments about linspire/cedega that you >> have to pay, pay, pay, for a questionable product (not to mention >> it's not GPL correct). Another sticking point for my son is whether >> or not he'll be able to play Startcraft /online./ He says there are >> extra software bits to download for that - he's assuming these have >> not been ported to linux. Cedega guarantees Starcraft but they don't >> mention playing online. I've been able to do most things I've set out >> to do on linux (in large part by the grace of this mailing list) but >> what are my chances of success with this project? >> >> Chris > > I got World Of Warcraft (big MMORPG) today under Ubuntu following this > HowTo: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=312482&highlight=low+memory > > Replace the WoW executables with Starcraft and you should be good to > go. I did have to tweak my Xorg.conf file because of an "issue" with > this particular card, but otherwise it's fine, and it is online play. Hmm - sounds hopeful. Thanks. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 02:17:04 2007 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:17:04 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <46F842FC.9050501-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924110450.1c0b5ef8@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F83BAA.1040708@dinamis.com> <46F842FC.9050501@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070925021704.4E8F9854F8@sarg.ryerson.ca> > Quite so. With religion, being on the "wrong" side can get you > killed. Now add that to a culture where vengeance, hatred and bigotry > are the norm and you've got a problem that you can't solve except by > removing those who are causing the problem. The American people tried that, but the Republican dominated Supreme Court put Bush in office anyway! (Tongue slightly in cheek, but it's amazing how well your description matches both beligerent parties in this situation.) ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 05:08:57 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:08:57 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <46F83BAA.1040708-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924110450.1c0b5ef8@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F83BAA.1040708@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20070925010857.57759bfa@node1.freeyourmachine.org> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > JoeHill wrote: > > And last time I checked, the security was not all that tight at the subway > > either. > > How do you know? Security need not be "in your face". I'm not always totally awake on the subway, but I'm pretty sure I've never had my luggage searched or scanned, there are no metal detectors, and I'm absolutely certain that the 'dress code' is a lot more lax, if you know what I mean :) > > You know what else? I'm pretty sure I've never seen any really rich > > people on the subway ;) > > What does "a really rich person" look like? Is their net worth stamped > on their foreheads? What is "rich"? Zbigniew answered this better than I can ;) > >> Until people start dealing with the reason there are people doing crazy > >> things then they will continue to happen. > > > > Unfortunately, this is the kind of kind of thinking that is just not allowed > > within the current debate. Current dogma is that there is no possible way > > that we could ever change anything so that people might hate us less. We're > > supposed to just bomb them, which will somehow make them... not want to > > bomb us? > > It is folly to think that showering those who would perpetrate such > outrages as 9/11 could be dissuaded from their evil intent merely by > showering them with money or by being nice to them. None of the 9/11 > hijackers were impoverished. All had many opportunities available to > them but they chose to destroy their lives along with the lives of > thousands of innocents despite all that. I don't recall saying we needed to be 'nice' to murderers. However, carpet bombing tens of thousands of civilians into dust in Afghanistan may not have won us too many friends. Strangely, not one of the hijackers on 9/11 was from Afghanistan, and all of the financing came from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, who _are_ being showered with money by the US. Go figure. In any case, I always remember what I learned about terrorism way back when I was in school: the whole point of terrorism is to make your target behave... exactly like we are behaving right now. Vengeful, paranoid, and repressive. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Fry: What are we going to do? Professor: Duh, I know, let's play the lottery. Amy: No, let's buy internet stock. Zoidberg: On margin! Zoidbee wants to buy on margin. Hermes: Look at me! I'm invisible. Fry: Wait a minute, I know what's going on here. You've all become idiots. Bender: Hey, let's go join the Reform party! Everyone: Yeah! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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None of the 9/11 > > hijackers were impoverished. All had many opportunities available to > > them but they chose to destroy their lives along with the lives of > > thousands of innocents despite all that. > Quite so. With religion, being on the "wrong" side can get you killed. > Now add that to a culture where vengeance, hatred and bigotry are the > norm Do you mean Northern Ireland? Or perhaps Alabama? -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Fry: "Do you have anything else for him?" Contess de la Roca: "Lovely, isn't it?" Bender: "Yeah, but only 93% as lovely as you." Contess de la Roca: "Oh, Bender. Either that was a computing error, or you're the most romantic robot I've ever met." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20070925011058.19fb64b7-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924110450.1c0b5ef8@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F83BAA.1040708@dinamis.com> <46F842FC.9050501@rogers.com> <20070925011058.19fb64b7@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <46F8E39A.7080200@rogers.com> JoeHill wrote: > James Knott wrote: > > >> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: >> >>> It is folly to think that showering those who would perpetrate such >>> outrages as 9/11 could be dissuaded from their evil intent merely by >>> showering them with money or by being nice to them. None of the 9/11 >>> hijackers were impoverished. All had many opportunities available to >>> them but they chose to destroy their lives along with the lives of >>> thousands of innocents despite all that. >>> >> Quite so. With religion, being on the "wrong" side can get you killed. >> Now add that to a culture where vengeance, hatred and bigotry are the >> norm >> > > Do you mean Northern Ireland? Or perhaps Alabama? > > Anywhere. There are many people around the world who will kill over religious beliefs. Those people tend to believe that since "God" is on their side, whatever they do is justified. Fundamentalists, including Dubya, are especially dangerous. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 12:31:27 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:31:27 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <46F8E39A.7080200-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924110450.1c0b5ef8@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F83BAA.1040708@dinamis.com> <46F842FC.9050501@rogers.com> <20070925011058.19fb64b7@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F8E39A.7080200@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070925083127.3472f495@node1.freeyourmachine.org> James Knott wrote: > JoeHill wrote: > > James Knott wrote: > > > > > >> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > >> > >>> It is folly to think that showering those who would perpetrate such > >>> outrages as 9/11 could be dissuaded from their evil intent merely by > >>> showering them with money or by being nice to them. None of the 9/11 > >>> hijackers were impoverished. All had many opportunities available to > >>> them but they chose to destroy their lives along with the lives of > >>> thousands of innocents despite all that. > >>> > >> Quite so. With religion, being on the "wrong" side can get you killed. > >> Now add that to a culture where vengeance, hatred and bigotry are the > >> norm > >> > > > > Do you mean Northern Ireland? Or perhaps Alabama? > > > > > Anywhere. There are many people around the world who will kill over > religious beliefs. Those people tend to believe that since "God" is on > their side, whatever they do is justified. Fundamentalists, including > Dubya, are especially dangerous. Ah, okay, I thought you were singling out one particular bunch, and I wanted to kinda yank yer chain. I should know better than to ass-u-me, eh? Yesterday I was on the newsgroups for the first time in years, and I had forgotten what it was like. I saw a bunch of posts about how one certain religio/cultural group, who have been sorta singled out the last six years, are 'peddofiles' (yup, that's how it was spelled). Funny how seeing those things can colour your perceptions of everything else. And sad. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Gypsy robot: You want to die? Bender: No, I wanna live! There's still too many things I don't own. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 13:19:29 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:19:29 -0400 Subject: How to delete a non existant file? In-Reply-To: References: <20070924140956.GP5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924175346.GU5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924213247.GV5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070925131929.GY5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 07:50:34PM -0400, Robert Brockway wrote: > The problem is the colo will likely still charge it as a seperate box. > They normally charge for a subset of power, space, network and/or IPs - > and it won't be the subset which is convenient to us :) If it needs a > network port and a power point it'll likely get charged as another box, > which is fair enough as it is consuming their resources. Do they charge extra if you have a redundant power supply in your server? I haven't dealt much with colocation, but the one I dealt with only charged for 1/4, 1/2 or full rack space wise, and the number of machines you put in there didn't matter. Also charged for the number of IPs you wanted, but how you allocated them didn't matter to them. And of course for bandwidth for the whole set of systems, for which the console server would be irrelevant. If they start charging by the power outlet and network cable then I think it is time to find a different provider that doesn't nickle and dime you to death. > Amazingly few people have taken this approach even when it makes sense. I > have tried to convince quite a few companies... If it can save you one hour of downtime in a year, it is worth a $700 console server. It may even save enough maintenance time to be worth it in no time. > That's what I meant by cross-connect. I've never known 2 consoles plugged > together to work. Yeah I am not sure if that could be done. > BTW when I have run serial console servers I run only ssh on the box and > lock ssh down to pki auth only. Yeah ssh would be the only option I would trust. > So the Knoppix cdrom becomes a viable alternative to a serial console in a > variety of situations. > > I recently rebuilt a box in Florida in a colo using this approach. It had > a twin in Toronto which I rebuilt from RH to Ubuntu at the console. I > then imaged the filesystems (xfsdump) here, booted the box in Florida to > Knoppix, repartitioned the drives and dumped the images directly on to the > box. Then I reran the boot loader and voila - working Ubuntu box in > Florida. I have made bootable discs that simply booted and ran a script which partitioned and loaded an image from the disc onto the drive. Pretty simple to automate. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 13:22:59 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:22:59 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46F8526D.8040208-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070925132259.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 08:12:29PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > I want to put linux on my son's computer. The bottom line is that he be > able to play Starcraft. I know the things out there for Windows programs > include winex (incl. cedega transgaming), CodeWeavers, Win4Lin and > VMWare. I don't mind paying for all this to work. Although I was proud > to be able to get my emu 1212 m pci soundcard working under linux I > think this would be a harder task (maybe beyond me). Some of these > things (winex et al.) I believe are kind of in bed with a couple of OSs > (linspire? SuSE?). Well starcraft is a rather old 2D only game so there are chances wine would run it. And being 2D only vmware running it should actually be quite reasonable too, assuming you have a reasonably powerful machine (vmware needs lots of ram since you need enough ram for both OSs). > I have read some unfavourable comments about linspire/cedega that you > have to pay, pay, pay, for a questionable product (not to mention it's > not GPL correct). Another sticking point for my son is whether or not > he'll be able to play Startcraft /online./ He says there are extra > software bits to download for that - he's assuming these have not been > ported to linux. Cedega guarantees Starcraft but they don't mention > playing online. I've been able to do most things I've set out to do on > linux (in large part by the grace of this mailing list) but what are my > chances of success with this project? Cedega seemed to not play nice with the wine project and just forked off and did their own thing. I won't support them whether their project works or not. Such behaviour should not be encouraged in my opinion. Of course the simple solution is to just setup dual boot and boot the OS that runs your programs. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 14:09:52 2007 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:09:52 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <20070924140320.GM5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200709251009.53306.glayng@sympatico.ca> As has been proven repeatedly, aircraft are terribly vulnerable to attack, which results in much higher casualties than any other form of transportation. They come with their own "bomb load" (jet fuel) and can be steered into places that vehicles, ships and trains cannot go. Take one down, you take down anywhere up to 500 people, plus the people on the ground. You don't even need to physically step on board, like with Pan Am or Air India, or be physically on board when the bomb goes off, as happened to a Pacific air carrier when it was bombed by an Islamic terrorist - he placed the bomb and walked off the aircraft. (Last I heard, he was still behind bars in the Phillipines.) One irrational airline hijacker back in the 1970's threatened to bring his victims down on top of Pickering Nuclear Station. Fortunately they were able to talk him into surrendering. Suspicious of liquids on board? Blame that British terrorist who tried to detonate his shoes. Ludicrous sounding, but cabin fires can spread rather quickly and are notoriously difficult to extinguish. See the Swissair disaster, or a similar one involving an Air Canada DC-9. Bomb a train, you tie up the line for a few hours and kill some of the people in the compartment, which may be as few as 10 people. Bomb a train station or airport terminal, and you'll get a handful of souls if that. Detonate a truck bomb (say, the size of the one Timothy McVeigh used) in the middle of a span of the Boor Viaduct and you'd disrupt life in Toronto for days, weeks, maybe months and if you were "lucky" nail a subway train or two (mass casualties, by no means all killed). Hijack a typical ship, even an oil tanker, and congratulations you have a large, slowly-moving, use-once-and-discard battering ram - we don't send many ships with Mount Blanc's cargo of munitions from Point A to Point B much anymore, as World War I ended some time ago. So yes, if you want to do spectacular damage, aircraft remain our civilization's biggest soft spot. And people doing crazy things - can you ever stop lunacy? We tried with SCOX, and yet they still kept suing people, "to our utter destruction". On Monday 24 September 2007 10:03, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 03:15:32PM -0400, Matt Middleton wrote: > > In this day and age, especially with the paranoia about people trying > > to do horrible things with airplanes, it unfortunately forces us to > > conform. If you choose not to, fine, but you must be prepared for the > > potential consequences - in this case, damn near being shot. > > > > I've done a fair bit of flying over the last couple of years, and I do > > the same thing as you Colin - there's no point in trying to make a > > "statement" at the airport. If you really wanted to make some sort of > > pro-geek statement, wear a Penguin shirt, or something from a place > > like ThinkGeek. > > And why all the worry about airports? They already did airplanes. Why > won't they pick trains, ships (just remember what happend many years ago > in halifax from a ship), busses, etc. Someone setting of a bomb in a > large train station would probably kill as many people as 9/11 did. Can > you screen everyone entering a train station? Not if you want it to > work you can't. > > Until people start dealing with the reason there are people doing crazy > things then they will continue to happen. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- there's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 14:33:49 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:33:49 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <200709251009.53306.glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200709251009.53306.glayng@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0709250733m57216eb3kb46ec640c5df263c@mail.gmail.com> On 9/25/07, Gary Layng wrote: > As has been proven repeatedly, aircraft are terribly vulnerable to attack, > which results in much higher casualties than any other form of > transportation. They come with [...] +1 informative from me. Nice post. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 15:16:18 2007 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:16:18 -0400 Subject: Vintage Hardware In-Reply-To: <46F83A77.8040405-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46f7a965.0d1f400a.0449.ffffe87f@mx.google.com> <20070924145411.GT5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F83A77.8040405@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46F92642.6000905@alteeve.com> James Knott wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 08:11:41AM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: >> >>> Just when I thought the old CRT was the worst I'd have to deal with, the >>> archeological site known as "The Cottage" unearthed a true relic: An ancient >>> IBM XT complete with amber CRT! Yup, this powerhouse boasts an Intel 8088 >>> and not one, but TWO of the incredible 5.25" floppy drives, and the GIGANTIC >>> 20 MiB hard drive! I haven't tried firing it up yet and didn't end up >>> bringing it back to the city (have to check that my car is certified to >>> carry such a load), so I have no idea if it actually still works. While it >>> is an item from my childhood, I simply can't keep it any longer. Any ideas >>> on what to do with such a beast? >>> Actually, I might be interested in such a beast. Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 15:24:51 2007 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:24:51 -0400 Subject: freenx Message-ID: I have been using freenx lately. It has vg performance, not to mention all the traffic is securely tunneled by ssh. I was concerned about VNC and to a lesser extent RDP security. But then you can use freenx to make vnc/rdp connections, which I then believe are secure. I use freenx for a gnome gui. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 15:26:40 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:26:40 -0700 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46F8526D.8040208-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709250826o279a69f7m37027b8efaa8a4a0@mail.gmail.com> Had good luck getting most games running under Cedega, including Warcraft III etc. Starcraft is listed as being fully compatible as well. Just for kicks, I'll see if I can dig up my old Starcraft and Broodwars CD and get them running on normal Wine after work today. The only issue should be the copy protection (which is about the biggest advantage Cedega has over Wine) but if you can crack the .EXE with a noCD had or whatever, it should work just fine. On 9/24/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > I want to put linux on my son's computer. The bottom line is that he be > able to play Starcraft. I know the things out there for Windows programs > include winex (incl. cedega transgaming), CodeWeavers, Win4Lin and > VMWare. I don't mind paying for all this to work. Although I was proud > to be able to get my emu 1212 m pci soundcard working under linux I > think this would be a harder task (maybe beyond me). Some of these > things (winex et al.) I believe are kind of in bed with a couple of OSs > (linspire? SuSE?). > > I have read some unfavourable comments about linspire/cedega that you > have to pay, pay, pay, for a questionable product (not to mention it's > not GPL correct). Another sticking point for my son is whether or not > he'll be able to play Startcraft /online./ He says there are extra > software bits to download for that - he's assuming these have not been > ported to linux. Cedega guarantees Starcraft but they don't mention > playing online. I've been able to do most things I've set out to do on > linux (in large part by the grace of this mailing list) but what are my > chances of success with this project? > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 15:28:23 2007 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:28:23 -0400 Subject: raid1 on existing single drive server Message-ID: Is it possible to install RAID1 on a existing single drive server? ext3 /boot ext3 / /swap changing the type from ext3 to "fd" raid autodetect. Will that kill the existing data? And what about mkfs.ext3 /dev/mdX? (i am sure that will wax the data) What other options are there other than stopping the server and drive imaging it ? TIA -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 15:42:49 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:42:49 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46F8526D.8040208-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <7ac602420709250842i12adef16qdfd0909fd2c57bd8@mail.gmail.com> I have played Starcraft with my officemates in a LAN game, all of us on Linux. Someone spent some time setting up a separate X configuration file to run a separate X server in 640x480 mode, but aside from that, the game ran fine in a stock version of Wine. Unfortunately, this was about 2 years ago, and I don't have the config file anymore. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 16:21:53 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:21:53 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46F8526D.8040208-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Chris Aitken wrote: > I want to put linux on my son's computer. The bottom line is that he be > able to play Starcraft. I know the things out there for Windows programs > include winex (incl. cedega transgaming), CodeWeavers, Win4Lin and > VMWare. I don't mind paying for all this to work. Although I was proud > to be able to get my emu 1212 m pci soundcard working under linux I > think this would be a harder task (maybe beyond me). Some of these > things (winex et al.) I believe are kind of in bed with a couple of OSs > (linspire? SuSE?). > > I have read some unfavourable comments about linspire/cedega that you > have to pay, pay, pay, for a questionable product (not to mention it's > not GPL correct). Another sticking point for my son is whether or not > he'll be able to play Startcraft /online./ He says there are extra > software bits to download for that - he's assuming these have not been > ported to linux. Cedega guarantees Starcraft but they don't mention > playing online. I've been able to do most things I've set out to do on > linux (in large part by the grace of this mailing list) but what are my > chances of success with this project? I have never played starcraft (though now I'm kinda curious), but I wanted to throw in another 'try wine'. The latest wine is very very good. It _finally_ let me play Halflife 2, which is can be a tough nut to crack because you cannot run it without this really irritating Steam program, and that was always the headache. As soon as I installed the most recent version of Wine, it ran almost flawlessly. Cedega...well...a ways back I actually asked for support from them. All my games would run, including Quake 4, Doom 3 (natively of course), Medal of Honour, Halflife, etc., but HL2 would not. Steam kept complaining that my video card was not supported (GeForce 7600). The folks at Cedega could only advise me to get a better video card. Uuuuuh, yeah, sure. As far as I can tell, they're not terribly interested in anything but getting their subscription payment. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Fry: "I'm not prejudiced." Bender: "Ah, save it for the cross-burning, Adolf." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 18:50:05 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:50:05 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <20070925132259.GZ5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925132259.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46F9585D.7010904@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 08:12:29PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I want to put linux on my son's computer. The bottom line is that he be >> able to play Starcraft. I know the things out there for Windows programs >> include winex (incl. cedega transgaming), CodeWeavers, Win4Lin and >> VMWare. I don't mind paying for all this to work. Although I was proud >> to be able to get my emu 1212 m pci soundcard working under linux I >> think this would be a harder task (maybe beyond me). Some of these >> things (winex et al.) I believe are kind of in bed with a couple of OSs >> (linspire? SuSE?). >> > > Well starcraft is a rather old 2D only game so there are chances wine > would run it. And being 2D only vmware running it should actually be > quite reasonable too, assuming you have a reasonably powerful machine > (vmware needs lots of ram since you need enough ram for both OSs). > 256 MB RAM - I don't think that will cut it for VMWare... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 18:58:43 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:58:43 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <20070925122153.22b9f732-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> JoeHill wrote: > I have never played starcraft (though now I'm kinda curious), but I wanted to > throw in another 'try wine'. > Okay, I just installed it with yum install wine I've never used wine - I'm reading the man page now. It looks like I just point wine to the executable of Startcraft.. Chris > The latest wine is very very good. [root at p733 chris]# wine --version wine-0.9.44 > It _finally_ let me play Halflife 2, which > is can be a tough nut to crack because you cannot run it without this really > irritating Steam program, and that was always the headache. As soon as I > installed the most recent version of Wine, it ran almost flawlessly. > That's encouraging. > Cedega...well...a ways back I actually asked for support from them. All my games > would run, including Quake 4, Doom 3 (natively of course), Medal of Honour, > Halflife, etc., but HL2 would not. Steam kept complaining that my video card was > not supported (GeForce 7600). The folks at Cedega could only advise me to get a > better video card. Uuuuuh, yeah, sure. > > As far as I can tell, they're not terribly interested in anything but getting > their subscription payment. > That is the kind of thing I've been hearing. Sounds like bad karma to support them anyway. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 19:38:45 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:38:45 -0400 Subject: raid1 on existing single drive server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070925193845.GA5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 11:28:23AM -0400, Teddy Mills wrote: > Is it possible to install RAID1 on a existing single drive server? > > ext3 /boot > ext3 / > /swap > > changing the type from ext3 to "fd" raid autodetect. > Will that kill the existing data? Changing the type means nothing to the data. > And what about mkfs.ext3 /dev/mdX? > (i am sure that will wax the data) That would certainly destroy data. > What other options are there other than stopping the server and drive > imaging it ? Install new drive partition new driver however you want for raid setup create degraded raid1 on new drive (specifying 'missing' in the config where you have the old drive) using mdadm create filesystem on new md raid device mount new filesystem and copy data there and install bootloader on new drive. reboot using new device as root and if everything works, repartition old drive to match new drive, then hotadd (using mdadm again) the old drive to the raid and wait for resync to complete (/proc/mdstat has info). Ensure bootloader is installed properly. I generally install bootloader to primary drive and then just dd the first sector from the primary to secondary drive which ensures identical partition table and boot sector and makes sure it all matches. Or you could backup all the data somewhere else and do it from scratch. I have done this many times and it works just fine, but you do have to know how to manually deal with grub and passing root options and such to boot it up while doing the transfer to the raid setup as well as generating new initramfs to handle everything for setting up the raid at boot before mounting it (On debian the initramfs-tools seem to do this correctly automatically in combination with mdadm). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 19:40:32 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:40:32 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46F9585D.7010904-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925132259.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F9585D.7010904@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070925194032.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 02:50:05PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > 256 MB RAM - I don't think that will cut it for VMWare... Nope. I wouldn't try that. Well you could start vmware with maybe 32MB ram running win95 or 98 and run starcraft on that. That would probably be OK. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 20:41:41 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:41:41 -0400 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation Message-ID: <20070925204141.GK19126@watson-wilson.ca> Hi folks, I have a question to direct to the self employed members of the group. Are you incorporated? As an IT contractor are there reasons to incorporate or not to incorporate? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 11 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 20:48:34 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:48:34 -0400 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <20070925204141.GK19126-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070925204141.GK19126@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <46F97422.60405@alteeve.com> Neil Watson wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have a question to direct to the self employed members of the group. > Are you incorporated? As an IT contractor are there reasons to > incorporate or not to incorporate? My accountant was a great help in answering this question for me. I would suggest that, above and beyond anything you might see here, you ask your accountant this question. In short though, it depends on how much money you are making and the risks you carry. Again, your accountant/lawyer is the only real person you should be asking this question of. The potential repercussions of either decision can be great. What would you hope to accomplish by incorporating? What benefits are there of being a sole proprietor? As a small business owner, this is probably one of the "big" questions you will have to answer. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 20:59:13 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:59:13 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <200709251009.53306.glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200709251009.53306.glayng@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <46F976A1.9020003@telly.org> Gary Layng wrote: What a load of nonsense fearmongering. > As has been proven repeatedly, aircraft are terribly vulnerable to attack, > which results in much higher casualties than any other form of transportation. You've got to be joking. The death rate per-person-travelling is much higher on the road than it is in the air. Sources listed below. Please indicate where you find stats showing "higher casualties than any other form of transportation" -- everything I've seen indicates otherwise. The ensuing "argument" offers both poor facts and poor arguing techniques: > They come with their own "bomb load" (jet fuel) and can be steered into places that vehicles, ships and trains cannot go. Any mode has its places it can go that others cannot. Arguably the most flexible in this regard is the bicycle. Given how compact explosives are these days, you can deliver a fairly large payload on a Segway too. What the heck, you can deliver plenty just strapped to your body into lots of places a 747 can't fit. Also: current formulas of jet fuel are designed as to be highly resistant to explosion. > Take one down, you take down anywhere up to 500 people, plus the people on the ground. Fact: the largest aircraft in Air Canada's fleet has a capacity of 349. The vast majority of aircraft are far smaller, and the large capacity ones attract higher security. > You don't even need to physically step on board, like with Pan Am or Air > India, or be physically on board when the bomb goes off, as happened to a > Pacific air carrier when it was bombed by an Islamic terrorist - he placed > the bomb and walked off the aircraft. (Last I heard, he was still behind > bars in the Phillipines.) > Funny how the airline you'd figure to be the one most attacked -- Israel's El Al -- is also the most secure (no successful hits or hijackings yet). Its planes are equipped with anti-missile defence. Security of this kind is possible on all airlines if the will exists, just like high standards of maintenance. > Suspicious of liquids on board? Blame that British terrorist who tried to > detonate his shoes. Ludicrous sounding, but cabin fires can spread rather > quickly and are notoriously difficult to extinguish. See the Swissair > disaster, or a similar one involving an Air Canada DC-9. > More fearmongering. It's quite telling that you have to go back so far in time for an example that Air Canada was still flying DC-9s (it was 1983, for anyone actually tracking facts). The Swissair flight was a DC-10, an aircraft no longer made and used by only a handful of major airlines. New aircraft are far more fire-resistant than ever. In any case, the debating tactic of connecting shoe bomb to cabin fires is not very useful here. > Bomb a train, you tie up the line for a few hours and kill some of the people > in the compartment, which may be as few as 10 people. So when talking about aircraft you say "as much as" and about other modes, "as few as"... what kind of crap is that? Airplanes can go airborne with "as few as 10 people" and _current_ trains can easily carry more than 500. Derail a high-speed train and you _do_ get deaths. > Bomb a train station or airport terminal, and you'll get a handful of souls if that. Spoken by someone who's never had to endure a passenger terminal at its peak. Consider that all of those air passengers had to stand in line to check in. Visit Terminal 1 at about 7pm most nights (most European flights leave early evening) and talk about a 'handful of souls'... what rubbish. > Detonate a truck bomb (say, the size of the one Timothy McVeigh used) in the middle of a > span of the Boor Viaduct and you'd disrupt life in Toronto for days, weeks, > maybe months So the Bloor Viadict is a poor target. There are others. It should be noted that McVeigh did his damage using a truck as a delivery vehicle and the target was a regular office building. > Hijack a typical ship, even an oil tanker, and congratulations you have a large, slowly-moving, use-once-and-discard battering ram - we don't send many ships with Mount > Blanc's cargo of munitions from Point A to Point B much anymore, as World War > I ended some time ago. > Many of the newest superships are equipped with more than 3,500 berths (talk about sitting ducks!), not to mention lots of people who slept through the lifeboat drill. Even better targets (should one be looking) are overcrowded ferries, which sail with hundreds of people and often miserable safety facilities. A fatal accident on one of those happened as recently as a month ago in Egypt, and another in Sierra Leone killed about 150. > So yes, if you want to do spectacular damage, aircraft remain our civilization's biggest soft spot. > Absolute BS. The paranoia about planes comes more from human claustrophobia and helplessness while in the air than anything else. Certainly not fact. > And people doing crazy things ...like claiming that flying kills more people than driving. You probably thought that "Snakes on a Plane" was based on a true story. OTOH, facts can be your friends... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/travel/reports/03092000/TINFO.html http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/0203/Jan20_03/18.shtml http://www.americanscientist.org/template/AssetDetail/assetid/16237 - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 21:06:10 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:06:10 +0000 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <20070925204141.GK19126-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070925204141.GK19126@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On 9/25/07, Neil Watson wrote: > I have a question to direct to the self employed members of the group. > Are you incorporated? As an IT contractor are there reasons to > incorporate or not to incorporate? When I have contracted, those doing business expected/demanded that there be a corporation there, in that this would provide some "immunization" from their being deemed to be my employer, and hence potentially liable for the various things associated with being an employer. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 21:20:09 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:20:09 -0400 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: References: <20070925204141.GK19126@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <46F97B89.5090302@telly.org> CCRA has its own scorecard to determine whether you're a contractor or an employee. If they deem you an employee, having an incorporated body between you and the client won't make a difference. They consider a number of aspects, such as - How much of your income comes from a single client? - Do you have your own 'space' at the client's site? - Do you maintain your own home office? - Who owns the copyright on materials (such as source code) that you produce? Incorporating is good for two reasons -- liability and taxation. However, it's more expensive to maintain than not being incorporated. As always, a good accountant is very useful in any of these matters. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 21:23:48 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:23:48 -0400 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: References: <20070925204141.GK19126@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0709251423o30ec922cgad65bf06abf1183e@mail.gmail.com> On 9/25/07, Christopher Browne wrote: > On 9/25/07, Neil Watson wrote: > > I have a question to direct to the self employed members of the group. > > Are you incorporated? As an IT contractor are there reasons to > > incorporate or not to incorporate? > > When I have contracted, those doing business expected/demanded that > there be a corporation there, in that this would provide some > "immunization" from their being deemed to be my employer, and hence > potentially liable for the various things associated with being an > employer. Curious. If you're *self-employed* - what's the point of incorporating? Kinda hard to make a board out of one person, isn't it? Not trying to be contrary (it's been one of those days) and obviously an accountant and lawyer would be the best source of advice. Just seems a little overkill to incorporate a one-person company... (Granted, I might be misreading the original question.) -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 21:33:23 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:33:23 -0400 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0709251423o30ec922cgad65bf06abf1183e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709251423o30ec922cgad65bf06abf1183e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46f97e87.0d39400a.73c4.12a5@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Scott > Elcomb > Sent: Tuesday 25 September 2007 17:24 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT contracting and incorporation > > Curious. If you're *self-employed* - what's the point of incorporating? Taxes and liability. As sole-proprietor, you are liable for basically everything. Once incorporated, there are certain limits. I can't really go into much more detail myself. IANAL, and has been pointed out this is really a question for a lawyer or an accountant. > Kinda hard to make a board out of one person, isn't it? Doesn't matter really. It's still the separation of liability and taxation. Also, if you eventually grow to more than one person then you have the structure in place. Depends entirely on the nature of the company. > Not trying to be contrary (it's been one of those days) and obviously > an accountant and lawyer would be the best source of advice. Just > seems a little overkill to incorporate a one-person company... > (Granted, I might be misreading the original question.) Exactly, but that decision must be made and must be an informed one. Each company is different. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 21:49:11 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:49:11 -0400 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <46f97e87.0d39400a.73c4.12a5-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <46f97e87.0d39400a.73c4.12a5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <46F98257.8080406@visibleassets.com> From a tax standpoint you can defer taxes. I typically leave money in my company which is only taxed at 18% then you can take it out for "retirement" Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 22:20:21 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:20:21 -0400 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <46F98257.8080406-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <46f97e87.0d39400a.73c4.12a5@mx.google.com> <46F98257.8080406@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <46F989A5.6020408@telly.org> Dave Cramer wrote: > I typically leave money in my company which is only taxed at 18% Exactly. To be more specific, dividend income is taxed lower than salary income because dividends are paid after the company pays its own taxes. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 22:37:19 2007 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:37:19 -0400 Subject: OT: Canadian Heritage Copyright Policy Rocked By Conflict of Interest Concerns Message-ID: <46F98D9F.7050509@pppoe.ca> I saw this on Slashdot: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2251/125/ Canadian Heritage Copyright Policy Rocked By Conflict of Interest Concerns Monday September 24, 2007 The Hill Times is reporting that Patricia Neri, the Director General of Copyright Policy at Canadian Heritage has been removed from her position to become a special advisor to Assistant Deputy Minister Jean-Pierre Blais with "duties still to be determined." While people move all the time in government, this development is noteworthy - not just because it comes mere weeks before a copyright bill may be unveiled, but because there are mounting rumours that the move comes as a direct result of a conflict of interest concerns. Personnel at the Copyright Policy branch were advised by email late last week that the move was for "personal reasons," though Neri apparently stopped coming into work soon after Labour Day. According to multiple sources, the personal reason involves a personal relationship with one of Canada?s leading copyright lobbyists. While Neri?s personal life is no one?s business but her own, this does raise troubling questions about the quick passage of Bill C-59, the anti-camcording legislation, since Neri appeared as a witness before a Senate hearing on the bill with the lobbyist in the room. The Privy Council Office places particular responsibility on public servants that appear before a Parliamentary committee since they do so on behalf of the Minister. Further, when was this known to senior officials at Canadian Heritage? If weeks ago, why does it appear that no one took action, particularly since this came at a time when Neri was briefing Jos?e Verner, the new Minister of Canadian Heritage, and the Prime Minister?s Office on copyright matters? This is not an easy issue to raise, but if these reports are true, it surely creates at least a perceived conflict of interest contrary to Government Ethics Guidelines on a file that is very controversial and likely to grab the spotlight this fall. The Hill Times notes that Canadian Heritage has been slow to comment on the situation other than to confirm the move. Although it is important to protect the privacy of those affected, public confidence in the copyright process will be undermined if there is not a frank and full disclosure about who knew what and when. Update: This story is beginning to generate some interest with coverage from VNUNet , The Inquirer , Contact Music , and, unsurprisingly, Frank Magazine . Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 22:51:19 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:51:19 -0700 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <20070925122153.22b9f732-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709251551m759a7463jc1bf2555583ab4d8@mail.gmail.com> > On 9/25/07, JoeHill wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > I want to put linux on my son's computer. The bottom line is that he be > > able to play Starcraft. I know the things out there for Windows programs > > include winex (incl. cedega transgaming), CodeWeavers, Win4Lin and > > VMWare. I don't mind paying for all this to work. Although I was proud > > to be able to get my emu 1212 m pci soundcard working under linux I > > think this would be a harder task (maybe beyond me). Some of these > > things (winex et al.) I believe are kind of in bed with a couple of OSs > > (linspire? SuSE?). > > > > I have read some unfavourable comments about linspire/cedega that you > > have to pay, pay, pay, for a questionable product (not to mention it's > > not GPL correct). Another sticking point for my son is whether or not > > he'll be able to play Startcraft /online./ He says there are extra > > software bits to download for that - he's assuming these have not been > > ported to linux. Cedega guarantees Starcraft but they don't mention > > playing online. I've been able to do most things I've set out to do on > > linux (in large part by the grace of this mailing list) but what are my > > chances of success with this project? > > I have never played starcraft (though now I'm kinda curious), but I wanted to > throw in another 'try wine'. > > The latest wine is very very good. It _finally_ let me play Halflife 2, which > is can be a tough nut to crack because you cannot run it without this really > irritating Steam program, and that was always the headache. As soon as I > installed the most recent version of Wine, it ran almost flawlessly. > > Cedega...well...a ways back I actually asked for support from them. All my games > would run, including Quake 4, Doom 3 (natively of course), Medal of Honour, > Halflife, etc., but HL2 would not. Steam kept complaining that my video card was > not supported (GeForce 7600). The folks at Cedega could only advise me to get a > better video card. Uuuuuh, yeah, sure. > > As far as I can tell, they're not terribly interested in anything but getting > their subscription payment. > > -- > JoeHill > ++++++++++++++++++++ > Fry: "I'm not prejudiced." > Bender: "Ah, save it for the cross-burning, Adolf." > > Hey Joe, Did you have to do anything to strip copy-protection out of other games (especially the original-disc-required ones) or did they work just fine without doing that? I haven't tried vanilla wine for games in awhile (well, haven't played many games in awhile actually) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 22:55:15 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:55:15 -0700 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46F95A63.1030204-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> On 9/25/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > JoeHill wrote: > > > > I have never played starcraft (though now I'm kinda curious), but I wanted to > > throw in another 'try wine'. > > > Okay, I just installed it with yum install wine > > I've never used wine - I'm reading the man page now. It looks like I > just point wine to the executable of Startcraft.. > > Chris > > The latest wine is very very good. > [root at p733 chris]# wine --version > wine-0.9.44 > > > It _finally_ let me play Halflife 2, which > > is can be a tough nut to crack because you cannot run it without this really > > irritating Steam program, and that was always the headache. As soon as I > > installed the most recent version of Wine, it ran almost flawlessly. > > > That's encouraging. > > Cedega...well...a ways back I actually asked for support from them. All my games > > would run, including Quake 4, Doom 3 (natively of course), Medal of Honour, > > Halflife, etc., but HL2 would not. Steam kept complaining that my video card was > > not supported (GeForce 7600). The folks at Cedega could only advise me to get a > > better video card. Uuuuuh, yeah, sure. > > > > As far as I can tell, they're not terribly interested in anything but getting > > their subscription payment. > > > That is the kind of thing I've been hearing. Sounds like bad karma to > support them anyway. > > Chris > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > I've never used wine - I'm reading the man page now. It looks like I > just point wine to the executable of Starcraft.. Assuming the copy-protection issues can be ignored. Yeah, just pop in the CD and have wine run setup.exe or whatever. If memory serves (and is still current) it usually create a directory like ~user/.wine/fake_c where it dumps the installed files. I've always wanted to take that, dump it to a liveDVD along with an ISO of the gamedisc, and then have it so that I could just boot the game right from disc without hassle. Alas it's one of those projects that will forever be in the not-enough-time zone, but it'd be great for LAN-parties if all the hardware detection worked (and everyone had enough memory for RAMdisk) :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 22:58:24 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:58:24 -0700 Subject: freenx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a97ef0709251558x484b96dbo36a776483d7ccde3@mail.gmail.com> On 9/25/07, Teddy Mills wrote: > I have been using freenx lately. > It has vg performance, not to mention all the traffic is securely > tunneled by ssh. > I was concerned about VNC and to a lesser extent RDP security. > But then you can use freenx to make vnc/rdp connections, which I then > believe are secure. > I use freenx for a gnome gui. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Was there a question or other post attached to this, Teddy? Not that FreeNX isn't awesome, it's wonderful when I need to do work while way from home but with access to a PC having decent internet. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 23:08:23 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:08:23 -0400 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <46F989A5.6020408-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46f97e87.0d39400a.73c4.12a5@mx.google.com> <46F98257.8080406@visibleassets.com> <46F989A5.6020408@telly.org> Message-ID: On 9/25/07, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > I typically leave money in my company which is only taxed at 18% > > Exactly. To be more specific, dividend income is taxed lower than salary > income because dividends are paid after the company pays its own taxes. This suggests that incorporating makes more sense when there is certain sufficient amount of money that can be left for the "company". If not enough money is made to pay "employee" than not much can be saved. A similar problem exists in case of "sole-proprietor" - if he does not make enough money than he can not "spend" and later to reclaim from tax agency. I also had been once forced to get registered, under sole-proprietor umbrella, because otherwise I would not get a job. By reading however comments of Evan about CCRA I think that all that did not make really much sense for the business owner. Neither I did benefit in any other way than just be havying a work. Corporation is in general more free to decide about the rules of the game and how to spend money but maintaining it is somewhat more costly, starting from at least a few hundreed per year. Is in Ontario required to have a separate office to be registered as corporation? I know that laws are different in priovinces. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 23:08:57 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:08:57 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <46F976A1.9020003-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200709251009.53306.glayng@sympatico.ca> <46F976A1.9020003@telly.org> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0709251608o17b0f4d6g1ab32740163ddf1a@mail.gmail.com> I've been reading and rereading this post for two hours now, trying to come to terms with, and develop a reply to, such a strong response. Evan, I mean no disrespect here - more often than not I agree with your position. I'll try to define my position as clearly as I can (not something I excel at, by any means) but I think that Gary's post was relatively well put together for a general audience. On 9/25/07, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Gary Layng wrote: > > What a load of nonsense fearmongering. I'm not sure that fearmongering was the intent of Gary's message. To me it came across as a personal analyis or opinion. > > As has been proven repeatedly, aircraft are terribly vulnerable to attack, > > which results in much higher casualties than any other form of transportation. > You've got to be joking. The death rate per-person-travelling is much > higher on the road than it is in the air. Sources listed below. > > Please indicate where you find stats showing "higher casualties than any > other form of transportation" -- everything I've seen indicates otherwise. I'm thinking that by "higher casualties than any other form of transportation," Gary was referring to a per-incident measure, not per-person-travelling. > The ensuing "argument" offers both poor facts and poor arguing techniques: > > > They come with their own "bomb load" (jet fuel) and can be steered into places that vehicles, ships and trains cannot go. > Any mode has its places it can go that others cannot. Arguably the most > flexible in this regard is the bicycle. Given how compact explosives are > these days, you can deliver a fairly large payload on a Segway too. What > the heck, you can deliver plenty just strapped to your body into lots of > places a 747 can't fit. Aircraft have the interesting capability of maneuvering in 3 dimensions - which gives it a considerable advantage if used as a weapon, regardless of payload size or capabilities. Interestingly, in an appendix to 3001 The Final Odyssey[1], Arthur C. Clarke has given the ultimate limit on explosive capability I believe. I haven't read it in several years, but IIRC the appendix covers some of the science behind the trappings in the story - in this case, the destruction of a star and it's planetary system as the result of an "industrial accident" involving the Zero-Point field (or "quantum foam"). I don't recall what the energy value was, but apparently even a coffee cup of "empty" space (or vacuum) is more than enough to take care of an entire solar system. > Also: current formulas of jet fuel are designed as to be highly > resistant to explosion. Can you provide sources for this claim? It's hard to imagine a fuel source for combustion-based engines as being "resistant to explosion."[2][3] Also, I'm curious how much more this feature would cost - and how many airlines can afford to pay for it? > > Take one down, you take down anywhere up to 500 people, plus the people on the ground. > Fact: the largest aircraft in Air Canada's fleet has a capacity of 349. > The vast majority of aircraft are far smaller, and the large capacity > ones attract higher security. Gary's point here was _upto_ and did not define any airline or nationality. Also, as is often discovered in the IT field, it doesn't matter how much security one has... sooner or later those measures can be beaten. > > You don't even need to physically step on board, like with Pan Am or Air > > India, or be physically on board when the bomb goes off, as happened to a > > Pacific air carrier when it was bombed by an Islamic terrorist - he placed > > the bomb and walked off the aircraft. (Last I heard, he was still behind > > bars in the Phillipines.) > > > Funny how the airline you'd figure to be the one most attacked -- > Israel's El Al -- is also the most secure (no successful hits or > hijackings yet). Its planes are equipped with anti-missile defence. > Security of this kind is possible on all airlines if the will exists, > just like high standards of maintenance. I've actually watched documentaries on this topic. They've certainly spent a great deal of time (decades), effort, energy and finances in order to accomplish this level of security. In an effort to curb controversy, I'll just leave my comments on this topic at that. > > Suspicious of liquids on board? Blame that British terrorist who tried to > > detonate his shoes. Ludicrous sounding, but cabin fires can spread rather > > quickly and are notoriously difficult to extinguish. See the Swissair > > disaster, or a similar one involving an Air Canada DC-9. > > > More fearmongering. It's quite telling that you have to go back so far > in time for an example that Air Canada was still flying DC-9s (it was > 1983, for anyone actually tracking facts). The Swissair flight was a > DC-10, an aircraft no longer made and used by only a handful of major > airlines. New aircraft are far more fire-resistant than ever. > > In any case, the debating tactic of connecting shoe bomb to cabin fires > is not very useful here. I don't understand your issue here. Using historical information makes an argument invalid? Perhaps technologies have changed some, but thinking it couldn't happen again is, I believe, folly. > > Bomb a train, you tie up the line for a few hours and kill some of the people > > in the compartment, which may be as few as 10 people. > So when talking about aircraft you say "as much as" and about other > modes, "as few as"... what kind of crap is that? Airplanes can go > airborne with "as few as 10 people" and _current_ trains can easily > carry more than 500. Derail a high-speed train and you _do_ get deaths. Down a plane, you also get deaths. As few as 1 and as many as (n) hundreds. I think it's called setting the floor and ceiling on a set of numbers. I don't think it's crap at all. > > Bomb a train station or airport terminal, and you'll get a handful of souls if that. > Spoken by someone who's never had to endure a passenger terminal at its > peak. Consider that all of those air passengers had to stand in line to > check in. Visit Terminal 1 at about 7pm most nights (most European > flights leave early evening) and talk about a 'handful of souls'... what > rubbish. I agree with you that a terminal incident would involve more than a handful of souls, but your argument comes across as being awfully emotional. How do you _know_ Gary's "never had to endure a passenger terminal at its peak"? > > Detonate a truck bomb (say, the size of the one Timothy McVeigh used) in the middle of a > > span of the Boor Viaduct and you'd disrupt life in Toronto for days, weeks, > > maybe months > So the Bloor Viadict is a poor target. There are others. It should be > noted that McVeigh did his damage using a truck as a delivery vehicle > and the target was a regular office building. I read that completely opposite. Affecting life in Toronto for weeks? MONTHS? Why is that a poor target when it's so enduring? I shuddered when I thought through the implications. > > Hijack a typical ship, even an oil tanker, and congratulations you have a large, slowly-moving, use-once-and-discard battering ram - we don't send many ships with Mount > > Blanc's cargo of munitions from Point A to Point B much anymore, as World War > > I ended some time ago. > > > Many of the newest superships are equipped with more than 3,500 berths > (talk about sitting ducks!), not to mention lots of people who slept > through the lifeboat drill. > > Even better targets (should one be looking) are overcrowded ferries, > which sail with hundreds of people and often miserable safety > facilities. A fatal accident on one of those happened as recently as a > month ago in Egypt, and another in Sierra Leone killed about 150. I have no argument here, nor anything to add. > > So yes, if you want to do spectacular damage, aircraft remain our civilization's biggest soft spot. > > > Absolute BS. The paranoia about planes comes more from human > claustrophobia and helplessness while in the air than anything else. > Certainly not fact. Why must this be BS? Maybe not a fact, but depending on the measure of casualties (see my second point above) it may be worth more than just "fearmongering." > > And people doing crazy things > ...like claiming that flying kills more people than driving. You > probably thought that "Snakes on a Plane" was based on a true story. Again, why the all the emotion? It doesn't seem to aid the intellectual components of your arguments at all. > OTOH, facts can be your friends... > > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/travel/reports/03092000/TINFO.html > http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/0203/Jan20_03/18.shtml > http://www.americanscientist.org/template/AssetDetail/assetid/16237 And OTOH, the media can lie. Such is - most unfortunately - the way of the world. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3001:_The_Final_Odyssey [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_engine [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbine -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 23:20:51 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <46F976A1.9020003-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46F976A1.9020003@telly.org> Message-ID: <480430.43727.qm@web88215.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Gary Layng wrote: > > What a load of nonsense fearmongering. > > > As has been proven repeatedly, aircraft are > terribly vulnerable to attack, > > which results in much higher casualties than any > other form of transportation. > You've got to be joking. The death rate > per-person-travelling is much > higher on the road than it is in the air. Sources > listed below. Well, there is the whole lies, damn lies and statistics thing. On a per-passenger mile basis travel by air is far safer than any other form of mass transit. On a per passenger hour basis the numbers do change significantly... > Please indicate where you find stats showing "higher > casualties than any > other form of transportation" -- everything I've > seen indicates otherwise. > > The ensuing "argument" offers both poor facts and > poor arguing techniques: > > > They come with their own "bomb load" (jet fuel) > and can be steered into places that vehicles, ships > and trains cannot go. > Any mode has its places it can go that others > cannot. Arguably the most > flexible in this regard is the bicycle. Given how > compact explosives are > these days, you can deliver a fairly large payload > on a Segway too. What > the heck, you can deliver plenty just strapped to > your body into lots of > places a 747 can't fit. > > Also: current formulas of jet fuel are designed as > to be highly > resistant to explosion. > > > Take one down, you take down anywhere up to 500 > people, plus the people on the ground. > Fact: the largest aircraft in Air Canada's fleet has > a capacity of 349. > The vast majority of aircraft are far smaller, and > the large capacity > ones attract higher security. Well, there is the Boeing 747-300SR which can be configured to carry over 600 people for short haul flights. The biggest operator of the 747-300SR is Japan Airlines and they have all of 12 of the aircraft (keeping in mind that with some of the crowded airports in Japan a short haul HIGH capacity aircraft makes some economic sense, but the Japanese domestic air travel market is NOT typical :-) ). > > You don't even need to physically step on board, > like with Pan Am or Air > > India, or be physically on board when the bomb > goes off, as happened to a > > Pacific air carrier when it was bombed by an > Islamic terrorist - he placed > > the bomb and walked off the aircraft. (Last I > heard, he was still behind > > bars in the Phillipines.) > > > Funny how the airline you'd figure to be the one > most attacked -- > Israel's El Al -- is also the most secure (no > successful hits or > hijackings yet). Its planes are equipped with > anti-missile defence. > Security of this kind is possible on all airlines if > the will exists, > just like high standards of maintenance. Not true. July 23, 1968 El Al had its first (and to date ONLY) successful hijacking (of a flight from Rome, Italy, to Lod, Israel, the flight ended up in Algiers). Since then El Al has poured a massive amount of money in to making sure what happened in 1968 doesn't happen again... There in is part of the issue, how much money is safety worth, El Al's answer has been "a lot", other airlines the answer being "not quite as much"... > > Suspicious of liquids on board? Blame that > British terrorist who tried to > > detonate his shoes. Ludicrous sounding, but cabin > fires can spread rather > > quickly and are notoriously difficult to > extinguish. See the Swissair > > disaster, or a similar one involving an Air Canada > DC-9. > > > More fearmongering. It's quite telling that you have > to go back so far > in time for an example that Air Canada was still > flying DC-9s (it was > 1983, for anyone actually tracking facts). The > Swissair flight was a > DC-10, an aircraft no longer made and used by only a > handful of major > airlines. New aircraft are far more fire-resistant > than ever. > > In any case, the debating tactic of connecting shoe > bomb to cabin fires > is not very useful here. > > > Bomb a train, you tie up the line for a few hours > and kill some of the people > > in the compartment, which may be as few as 10 > people. > So when talking about aircraft you say "as much as" > and about other > modes, "as few as"... what kind of crap is that? > Airplanes can go > airborne with "as few as 10 people" and _current_ > trains can easily > carry more than 500. Derail a high-speed train and > you _do_ get deaths. > > > Bomb a train station or airport terminal, and > you'll get a handful of souls if that. > Spoken by someone who's never had to endure a > passenger terminal at its > peak. Consider that all of those air passengers had > to stand in line to > check in. Visit Terminal 1 at about 7pm most nights > (most European > flights leave early evening) and talk about a > 'handful of souls'... what > rubbish. > > > Detonate a truck bomb (say, the size of the one > Timothy McVeigh used) in the middle of a > > span of the Boor Viaduct and you'd disrupt life in > Toronto for days, weeks, > > maybe months > So the Bloor Viadict is a poor target. There are > others. It should be > noted that McVeigh did his damage using a truck as a > delivery vehicle > and the target was a regular office building. > > > Hijack a typical ship, even an oil tanker, and > congratulations you have a large, slowly-moving, > use-once-and-discard battering ram - we don't send > many ships with Mount > > Blanc's cargo of munitions from Point A to Point B > much anymore, as World War > > I ended some time ago. > > > Many of the newest superships are equipped with more > than 3,500 berths > (talk about sitting ducks!), not to mention lots of > people who slept > through the lifeboat drill. > > Even better targets (should one be looking) are > overcrowded ferries, > which sail with hundreds of people and often > miserable safety > facilities. A fatal accident on one of those > happened as recently as a > month ago in Egypt, and another in Sierra Leone > killed about 150. Well, New York City operates a number of ferries between the city and Staten Island. The largest two ferries are rated for up to 6,000 passengers (mind you, how often those two ferries travel at (or near) their limit may be a very different question). Now, I don't know what the softest of soft targets is (quite frankly I probably don't want want to know). What I do know is that the technology required to knock down an airline in flight while it clearly exists in terrorist hands (a small plane and a trained pilot with a death wish would do), there are far softer targets that a nutbar with a cause could hit. This was shown by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols who with a rented truck fertilizer and fuel oil showed that loonies with a cause could cause mass havoc... > > So yes, if you want to do spectacular damage, > aircraft remain our civilization's biggest soft > spot. > > > Absolute BS. The paranoia about planes comes more > from human > claustrophobia and helplessness while in the air > than anything else. > Certainly not fact. > > > And people doing crazy things > ...like claiming that flying kills more people than > driving. You > probably thought that "Snakes on a Plane" was based > on a true story. > > OTOH, facts can be your friends... > > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/travel/reports/03092000/TINFO.html > http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/0203/Jan20_03/18.shtml > http://www.americanscientist.org/template/AssetDetail/assetid/16237 > > - Evan > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 23:22:16 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: References: <46f97e87.0d39400a.73c4.12a5@mx.google.com> <46F98257.8080406@visibleassets.com> <46F989A5.6020408@telly.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Is in Ontario required to have a separate office to be registered as > corporation? I know that laws are different in priovinces. A corporation needs to have "business premises" (not just a PO box) but there is no problem with this being the home you live in. I've never heard of a requirement for seperate premises anywhere. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 23:32:49 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: How to delete a non existant file? In-Reply-To: <20070925131929.GY5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070924140956.GP5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924175346.GU5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924213247.GV5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070925131929.GY5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Do they charge extra if you have a redundant power supply in your > server? A good question. The times I've done this it was part of a larger installation - someone in another department was paying the bill. If I ever saw the bill I didn't care much :) > I haven't dealt much with colocation, but the one I dealt with only > charged for 1/4, 1/2 or full rack space wise, and the number of machines > you put in there didn't matter. Also charged for the number of IPs you That's how larger blocks are sold. A lot of corporations then resell the space per rack unit as most small companies really only want 1 or 2U. Quite a cottage industry has sprung up of people running a data centre reseller service while they maintain a fulltime job. It is quite a good fit as they can meet their clients after hours at the DC to provide access. TCCP (http://www.tccp.ca) charges per RU with an additional flat fee for bandwidth (bursting costs more). > wanted, but how you allocated them didn't matter to them. And of course > for bandwidth for the whole set of systems, for which the console server > would be irrelevant. If they start charging by the power outlet and > network cable then I think it is time to find a different provider that > doesn't nickle and dime you to death. It all depends on the volume and whether you need to use a reseller. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 23:35:07 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:35:07 -0400 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: References: <46f97e87.0d39400a.73c4.12a5@mx.google.com> <46F98257.8080406@visibleassets.com> <46F989A5.6020408@telly.org> Message-ID: <46F99B2B.7080805@telly.org> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >>> I typically leave money in my company which is only taxed at 18% >> Exactly. To be more specific, dividend income is taxed lower than salary >> income because dividends are paid after the company pays its own taxes. > This suggests that incorporating makes more sense when there is > certain sufficient amount of money that can be left for the "company". > If not enough money is made to pay "employee" than not much can be > saved. True to a point, but it's more complex than that, because a company can declare a loss -- and that loss can be carried over to reduce the (pre-tax) profit of a future year. > A similar problem exists in case of "sole-proprietor" - if he does not > make enough money than he can not "spend" and later to reclaim from > tax agency. To be honest, this kind of thing -- especially questions such as "what constitutes 'enough'" -- goes beyond what most people on this list are qualified to answer. The regulations (and sometimes arbitrary interpretations of them) are complex and change at odd intervals. Your mileage WILL vary. > I also had been once forced to get registered, under sole-proprietor > umbrella, because otherwise I would not get a job. If you mean the $50 sole-prop/partnership registration, that gives you NOTHING except the ability to accept cheques under a business name that is not on your drivers' license. There Is No Umbrella short of incorporation. Whoever forced you to do that was incorrect to assume it offered anything besides a personal relationship under a different name. > Is in Ontario required to have a separate office to be registered as > corporation? I know that laws are different in priovinces. To incorporate as an Ontario business you must have a Legal Head Office in Ontario. The Legal Head Office can be a residence, and it need not be the company's primary office location. Indeed, there are companies incorporated in Ontario whose "legal head office" is that of its corporate lawyer. IANAL. AINAA. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 23:43:34 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0709251608o17b0f4d6g1ab32740163ddf1a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0709251608o17b0f4d6g1ab32740163ddf1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <470581.61954.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Scott Elcomb wrote: [snip] > On 9/25/07, Evan Leibovitch wrote: [snip] > > Also: current formulas of jet fuel are designed as > to be highly > > resistant to explosion. > > Can you provide sources for this claim? It's hard > to imagine a fuel > source for combustion-based engines as being > "resistant to > explosion."[2][3] Also, I'm curious how much more > this feature would > cost - and how many airlines can afford to pay for > it? "highly" resistant is open to debate. This Wikipedia entry notes the current situation with jet fuel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP-8 The bottom line, the current fuel normally used by airlines is resistant to explosions (highly resistant is open to debate). On the other hand the US Navy uses uses a fuel on aircraft carriers that is even more resistant to explosions, but also far more expensive (JP-5 anyone?). Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 25 23:44:37 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <200709251009.53306.glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200709251009.53306.glayng@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Gary Layng wrote: > So yes, if you want to do spectacular damage, aircraft remain our > civilization's biggest soft spot. Honestly, I think the water supply is the biggest soft spot. Any number of deliberate or accidental occurances can comprise the water supply of a major city. Major storms and fungal blooms have been known to render water supplies unusable - before we even get on to a deliberate attack. I recommend everyone to start holding water reserves in your home if you don't already. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 00:07:27 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:07:27 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <480430.43727.qm-Kg4S4JJQdT6B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <46F976A1.9020003@telly.org> <480430.43727.qm@web88215.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 9/25/07, Colin McGregor wrote: > --- Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > Funny how the airline you'd figure to be the one > > most attacked -- > > Israel's El Al -- is also the most secure (no > > successful hits or > > hijackings yet). Its planes are equipped with > > anti-missile defence. > > Security of this kind is possible on all airlines if > > the will exists, > > just like high standards of maintenance. > > Not true. July 23, 1968 El Al had its first (and to > date ONLY) successful hijacking (of a flight from > Rome, Italy, to Lod, Israel, the flight ended up in > Algiers). Since then El Al has poured a massive amount > of money in to making sure what happened in 1968 > doesn't happen again... There in is part of the issue, > how much money is safety worth, El Al's answer has > been "a lot", other airlines the answer being "not > quite as much"... Evan provbably had in mind that there were no successfull terrorists attacks on El-Al. However, I would not believe myself that Israelian El-Al is most secure, regardless all weapons they may have on board. In 1992, or 1992, or may be 1993 I saw by myself, together with my wife, how El-Al plain desintegrates over Amsterdam, 300 meters in straight from the place we lived. It was a cargo plane, had just 5 people on board and, probably, a huge load of chemicals used for producing weapons, transported from USA. And, of course, it was fully loaded with fuel, just after taking off from Amsterdam Schipholl airport. It was Boeining 747. It "landed" with the top at bottom and bottom at top, striking 2 eleven floor buildings, and killing there instantly at least around 40-50 people. Next day the Netherland police had really no access to the place. They just protect that nobody enters the terrain. Instead, they waited for experts from Israel... zb. > > > > Suspicious of liquids on board? Blame that > > British terrorist who tried to > > > detonate his shoes. Ludicrous sounding, but cabin > > fires can spread rather > > > quickly and are notoriously difficult to > > extinguish. See the Swissair > > > disaster, or a similar one involving an Air Canada > > DC-9. > > > > > More fearmongering. It's quite telling that you have > > to go back so far > > in time for an example that Air Canada was still > > flying DC-9s (it was > > 1983, for anyone actually tracking facts). The > > Swissair flight was a > > DC-10, an aircraft no longer made and used by only a > > handful of major > > airlines. New aircraft are far more fire-resistant > > than ever. > > > > In any case, the debating tactic of connecting shoe > > bomb to cabin fires > > is not very useful here. > > > > > Bomb a train, you tie up the line for a few hours > > and kill some of the people > > > in the compartment, which may be as few as 10 > > people. > > So when talking about aircraft you say "as much as" > > and about other > > modes, "as few as"... what kind of crap is that? > > Airplanes can go > > airborne with "as few as 10 people" and _current_ > > trains can easily > > carry more than 500. Derail a high-speed train and > > you _do_ get deaths. > > > > > Bomb a train station or airport terminal, and > > you'll get a handful of souls if that. > > Spoken by someone who's never had to endure a > > passenger terminal at its > > peak. Consider that all of those air passengers had > > to stand in line to > > check in. Visit Terminal 1 at about 7pm most nights > > (most European > > flights leave early evening) and talk about a > > 'handful of souls'... what > > rubbish. > > > > > Detonate a truck bomb (say, the size of the one > > Timothy McVeigh used) in the middle of a > > > span of the Boor Viaduct and you'd disrupt life in > > Toronto for days, weeks, > > > maybe months > > So the Bloor Viadict is a poor target. There are > > others. It should be > > noted that McVeigh did his damage using a truck as a > > delivery vehicle > > and the target was a regular office building. > > > > > Hijack a typical ship, even an oil tanker, and > > congratulations you have a large, slowly-moving, > > use-once-and-discard battering ram - we don't send > > many ships with Mount > > > Blanc's cargo of munitions from Point A to Point B > > much anymore, as World War > > > I ended some time ago. > > > > > Many of the newest superships are equipped with more > > than 3,500 berths > > (talk about sitting ducks!), not to mention lots of > > people who slept > > through the lifeboat drill. > > > > Even better targets (should one be looking) are > > overcrowded ferries, > > which sail with hundreds of people and often > > miserable safety > > facilities. A fatal accident on one of those > > happened as recently as a > > month ago in Egypt, and another in Sierra Leone > > killed about 150. > > Well, New York City operates a number of ferries > between the city and Staten Island. The largest two > ferries are rated for up to 6,000 passengers (mind > you, how often those two ferries travel at (or near) > their limit may be a very different question). > > Now, I don't know what the softest of soft targets is > (quite frankly I probably don't want want to know). > > What I do know is that the technology required to > knock down an airline in flight while it clearly > exists in terrorist hands (a small plane and a trained > pilot with a death wish would do), there are far > softer targets that a nutbar with a cause could hit. > This was shown by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols > who with a rented truck fertilizer and fuel oil showed > that loonies with a cause could cause mass havoc... > > > > So yes, if you want to do spectacular damage, > > aircraft remain our civilization's biggest soft > > spot. > > > > > Absolute BS. The paranoia about planes comes more > > from human > > claustrophobia and helplessness while in the air > > than anything else. > > Certainly not fact. > > > > > And people doing crazy things > > ...like claiming that flying kills more people than > > driving. You > > probably thought that "Snakes on a Plane" was based > > on a true story. > > > > OTOH, facts can be your friends... > > > > > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/travel/reports/03092000/TINFO.html > > http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/0203/Jan20_03/18.shtml > > > http://www.americanscientist.org/template/AssetDetail/assetid/16237 > > > > - Evan > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > > http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > > below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 00:24:56 2007 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:24:56 -0400 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <20070925204141.GK19126-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070925204141.GK19126@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On 9/25/07, Neil Watson wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have a question to direct to the self employed members of the group. > Are you incorporated? As an IT contractor are there reasons to > incorporate or not to incorporate? My buddy Steve incorporated some time ago and has done very well indeed with his PeopleSoft consultancy. His corporation bills the client, and the corporation then pays Steve a small salary. He works for different clients, travels on business, and uses part of his home for business, and a lot of that stuff is paid for by the corporation. The corporation can also retain earnings and invest them, and Steve just draws a salary. The way he put it, the worst case is that your corporation gets paid by the client, then all of the money is paid out to you as salary, so you're no worse off than if your company were a sole proprietorship. And as soon as the corporation pays for some of the things like clothes for you to wear to work on-site, your haircuts, a portion of your car, the mileage to get to the client, your lunches, you're ahead -- less the cost to set the corporation up. And as always, consult your lawyer and accountant. They'll be able to tel you whether the CCRA rules make that your best choice. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 00:30:37 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:30:37 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> Tyler Aviss wrote: > I've never used wine - I'm reading the man page now. It looks like I > > just point wine to the executable of Starcraft.. > > Assuming the copy-protection issues can be ignored. Yeah, just pop in > the CD and have wine run setup.exe or whatever. Well, I'm getting somewhere. I popped in the CD, nautilus displayed its contents, I right-clicked setup.exe, chose "Open with Wine Windows Emulator", installed Starcraft. I had my son try it out. He showed me that 'Single Player' is working, but when he goes to 'Multi-Player' > 'Battle.Net a little box popped up but minus the status bar which shows it is downloading stuff. This box (which does not give us the status bar) then disappears. Isn't .Net an MS technology - would it be stupid to expect it to work in linux? It was exciting to hear the sound and see the installation and everything. I'm getting close... There was a Direct Cable Connection option - maybe I'll try that... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 01:05:51 2007 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:05:51 -0400 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <20070925204141.GK19126-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070925204141.GK19126@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <200709252105.51434.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 25 September 2007 16:41:41 Neil Watson wrote: > I have a question to direct to the self employed members of the group. > Are you incorporated? As an IT contractor are there reasons to > incorporate or not to incorporate? I incorporated because it was a requirement to get the contract I was interested in. For the company hiring you it helps maintain the appearance that you are not an employee (I think that's the perceived benefit anyway). For you the benefit might be the ability to decrease taxes. Invest within your company and growth in your savings there will be taxed at somewhat lower corporate rates - I think as of today if you had no other income you could take out 30K in dividends without paying any taxes (of course corporation has paid taxes on that). As far as sole-proprietership versus corp I don't think there is much in the way of increased deductions (except accounting expenses of course), every business expense can be written of regardless of structure ... me thinks. Me not lawyer of course ;-) Saving and investing money within the corporation can be an alternative to RRSP - rules always being subject to change though I don't really trust this. In my understanding, having a corporation does not decrease your liability one iota so there's no benefit from that point of view. -- Fraser Campbell Georgetown, Ontario, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 01:05:24 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:05:24 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709251551m759a7463jc1bf2555583ab4d8-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <3a97ef0709251551m759a7463jc1bf2555583ab4d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709252105.29227.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On September 25, 2007 06:51:19 pm Tyler Aviss wrote: > > On 9/25/07, JoeHill wrote: > > > > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > I want to put linux on my son's computer. The bottom line is that he be > > > able to play Starcraft. I know the things out there for Windows > > > programs include winex (incl. cedega transgaming), CodeWeavers, Win4Lin > > > and VMWare. I don't mind paying for all this to work. Although I was > > > proud to be able to get my emu 1212 m pci soundcard working under linux > > > I think this would be a harder task (maybe beyond me). Some of these > > > things (winex et al.) I believe are kind of in bed with a couple of OSs > > > (linspire? SuSE?). > > > > > > I have read some unfavourable comments about linspire/cedega that you > > > have to pay, pay, pay, for a questionable product (not to mention it's > > > not GPL correct). Another sticking point for my son is whether or not > > > he'll be able to play Startcraft /online./ He says there are extra > > > software bits to download for that - he's assuming these have not been > > > ported to linux. Cedega guarantees Starcraft but they don't mention > > > playing online. I've been able to do most things I've set out to do on > > > linux (in large part by the grace of this mailing list) but what are my > > > chances of success with this project? > > > > I have never played starcraft (though now I'm kinda curious), but I > > wanted to throw in another 'try wine'. > > > > The latest wine is very very good. It _finally_ let me play Halflife 2, > > which is can be a tough nut to crack because you cannot run it without > > this really irritating Steam program, and that was always the headache. > > As soon as I installed the most recent version of Wine, it ran almost > > flawlessly. > > > > Cedega...well...a ways back I actually asked for support from them. All > > my games would run, including Quake 4, Doom 3 (natively of course), Medal > > of Honour, Halflife, etc., but HL2 would not. Steam kept complaining that > > my video card was not supported (GeForce 7600). The folks at Cedega could > > only advise me to get a better video card. Uuuuuh, yeah, sure. > > > > As far as I can tell, they're not terribly interested in anything but > > getting their subscription payment. > > > > -- > > JoeHill > > ++++++++++++++++++++ > > Fry: "I'm not prejudiced." > > Bender: "Ah, save it for the cross-burning, Adolf." > > Hey Joe, > > > Did you have to do anything to strip copy-protection out of other > games (especially the original-disc-required ones) or did they work > just fine without doing that? I haven't tried vanilla wine for games > in awhile (well, haven't played many games in awhile actually) gamecopyworld.com Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 01:50:26 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:50:26 -0400 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <200709252105.51434.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <20070925204141.GK19126@watson-wilson.ca> <200709252105.51434.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <46F9BAE2.8000706@telly.org> Fraser Campbell wrote: > I incorporated because it was a requirement to get the contract I was > interested in. For the company hiring you it helps maintain the appearance > that you are not an employee (I think that's the perceived benefit anyway). > As I mentioned before, if CCRA sees that your "business" (incorporated or not) only has one client, and if you do most of your work at the client site, that may deem you an employee of the client -- even if both you and the client say you're a contractor. That "appearance" does not survive well under such scrutiny, _especially_ if it seems the arrangement was done specifically to subvert a conventional hiring process. There are many distinctions between being a contractor and being and employee which go far beyond the scope of this thread -- not just taxation but also applications of labour laws, requirements to deduct EI (and possibly workman's comp), etc. My point is that the decision of which one you are is not _completely_ simply one of mutual agreement between you and the client. The government can change that status unilaterally. > In my understanding, having a corporation does not decrease your liability one > iota so there's no benefit from that point of view. > It protects you from creditors to some extent. The business can go bankrupt without you personally being on the hook to the company's creditors. Again, governments are immune from this -- if a failed company owes taxes they will come after the directors personally if the company's assests aren't enough. In particular, collecting taxes and not remitting (ie, sales tax or employee deductions) is a real no-no. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 01:16:49 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:16:49 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46F9A82D.8040900-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46F9B301.8050207@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Tyler Aviss wrote: > > >> I've never used wine - I'm reading the man page now. It looks like I > >> just point wine to the executable of Starcraft.. >> >> Assuming the copy-protection issues can be ignored. Yeah, just pop in >> the CD and have wine run setup.exe or whatever. > Well, I'm getting somewhere. I popped in the CD, nautilus displayed > its contents, I right-clicked setup.exe, chose "Open with Wine Windows > Emulator", installed Starcraft. I had my son try it out. He showed me > that 'Single Player' is working, but when he goes to 'Multi-Player' > > 'Battle.Net a little box popped up but minus the status bar which > shows it is downloading stuff. This box (which does not give us the > status bar) then disappears. Isn't .Net an MS technology - would it be > stupid to expect it to work in linux? > > It was exciting to hear the sound and see the installation and > everything. I'm getting close... > > There was a Direct Cable Connection option - maybe I'll try that... No, that's not what I thought it would be - that won't work. Any ideas on getting online to work? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 02:19:06 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 02:19:06 +0000 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46F9A82D.8040900-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709251919m771f8cb7w671e6db9dcf33265@mail.gmail.com> Hello Chris, Yes, .net is a Microsoft programming suite, however that is not what battle.net refers to. In this case, it refers to the battle.net website (.net being a domain like .com, .org, etc), also found at http://www.battle.net As for the other options: Direct Cable connection refers to a (very old) way of networking two computers via a serial cable. Battle.net is the only way to play online unless you're playing with others on the same local network (LAN Game). Now, in regards to the battle.net stuff, usually that progress bar etc shows up when it is downloading updates from the website. So maybe your wine can't get online, or there's some other issue connecting to the battle.net site. If you have a cracked version of the game, the invalid key might also prevent this. I'll see if I can dig up my CD and install with vanilla wine and, failing that, perhaps with Cedega. You may have mentioned it before, but... what variety of Linux are you using (RedHat, Debian, SUSE, Ubuntu, ?? ) On 9/26/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > Tyler Aviss wrote: > > > > I've never used wine - I'm reading the man page now. It looks like I > > > just point wine to the executable of Starcraft.. > > > > Assuming the copy-protection issues can be ignored. Yeah, just pop in > > the CD and have wine run setup.exe or whatever. > Well, I'm getting somewhere. I popped in the CD, nautilus displayed its > contents, I right-clicked setup.exe, chose "Open with Wine Windows > Emulator", installed Starcraft. I had my son try it out. He showed me > that 'Single Player' is working, but when he goes to 'Multi-Player' > > 'Battle.Net a little box popped up but minus the status bar which shows > it is downloading stuff. This box (which does not give us the status > bar) then disappears. Isn't .Net an MS technology - would it be stupid > to expect it to work in linux? > > It was exciting to hear the sound and see the installation and > everything. I'm getting close... > > There was a Direct Cable Connection option - maybe I'll try that... > > Chris > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 02:39:17 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <46F9BAE2.8000706-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070925204141.GK19126@watson-wilson.ca> <200709252105.51434.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <46F9BAE2.8000706@telly.org> Message-ID: <14270.99.232.71.193.1190774357.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > It protects you from creditors to some extent. The business can go > bankrupt without you personally being on the hook to the company's > creditors. Again, governments are immune from this -- if a failed > company owes taxes they will come after the directors personally if the > company's assests aren't enough. In particular, collecting taxes and not > remitting (ie, sales tax or employee deductions) is a real no-no. > It should be mentioned that a sole proprietorship is much simpler financially than an incorporated company. A corporation is a separate entity so it must file its own tax return. The return is short but the guide is 120 pages long! Some people do their own corporate return but in general you'll need an accountant and that's an additional expense. Insofar as borrowing money is concerned, the banks will require you to provide a personal guarantee of any financing so you're still on the hook if the company fails. I've operate both a sole proprietorship and a corporation. A sole proprietorship is much simpler, though there may be compelling reasons to incorporate. Incidentally, the Self Counsel series of books has one on incorporating a business. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 03:10:44 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:10:44 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <46F976A1.9020003-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200709251009.53306.glayng@sympatico.ca> <46F976A1.9020003@telly.org> Message-ID: On 9/25/07, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Gary Layng wrote: > > What a load of nonsense fearmongering. > > > As has been proven repeatedly, aircraft are terribly vulnerable to attack, > > which results in much higher casualties than any other form of transportation. > You've got to be joking. The death rate per-person-travelling is much > higher on the road than it is in the air. Sources listed below. > > Please indicate where you find stats showing "higher casualties than any > other form of transportation" -- everything I've seen indicates otherwise. This seems more a question of metrics... Yes, plane crashes are relatively infrequent, but the casualty rates *when they DO happen* are commonly 100% of those aboard, plus bystanders. In contrast, in the most famous naval disaster of history, about 1/3 of the passengers of the Titanic survived. > The ensuing "argument" offers both poor facts and poor arguing techniques: > > > They come with their own "bomb load" (jet fuel) and can be steered into places that vehicles, ships and trains cannot go. > Any mode has its places it can go that others cannot. Arguably the most > flexible in this regard is the bicycle. Given how compact explosives are > these days, you can deliver a fairly large payload on a Segway too. What > the heck, you can deliver plenty just strapped to your body into lots of > places a 747 can't fit. E = 1/2 m x v^2 The fact that an aircraft can travel hundreds of km/h faster than other sorts of vehicles means that simply out of the motion of the aircraft, there's a *big* whack of energy to be released if it strikes something. That's not paranoia - that's just basic physics. > Also: current formulas of jet fuel are designed as to be highly > resistant to explosion. That seems to fly in the face of the way jet fuel works. For it to function as aircraft fuel, it needs to *cause* explosions, and there's no question but that the fuel is an inflammable energy source to add to 1/2 mv^2 > > Take one down, you take down anywhere up to 500 people, plus the people on the ground. > Fact: the largest aircraft in Air Canada's fleet has a capacity of 349. > The vast majority of aircraft are far smaller, and the large capacity > ones attract higher security. I'd agree that most aircraft are more in the 200 passenger range. That tendancy, of course, varies from airline to airline and from location to location. The last time I was at Heathrow, I watched a lineup of aircraft, every single one of which was a Boeing 747. (Then my MD-11 appeared...) > > You don't even need to physically step on board, like with Pan Am or Air > > India, or be physically on board when the bomb goes off, as happened to a > > Pacific air carrier when it was bombed by an Islamic terrorist - he placed > > the bomb and walked off the aircraft. (Last I heard, he was still behind > > bars in the Phillipines.) > Funny how the airline you'd figure to be the one most attacked -- > Israel's El Al -- is also the most secure (no successful hits or > hijackings yet). Its planes are equipped with anti-missile defence. > Security of this kind is possible on all airlines if the will exists, > just like high standards of maintenance. The racial profiling they do is something that our airlines would likely find themselves chastized for. > > Suspicious of liquids on board? Blame that British terrorist who tried to > > detonate his shoes. Ludicrous sounding, but cabin fires can spread rather > > quickly and are notoriously difficult to extinguish. See the Swissair > > disaster, or a similar one involving an Air Canada DC-9. > > > More fearmongering. It's quite telling that you have to go back so far > in time for an example that Air Canada was still flying DC-9s (it was > 1983, for anyone actually tracking facts). The Swissair flight was a > DC-10, an aircraft no longer made and used by only a handful of major > airlines. New aircraft are far more fire-resistant than ever. > > In any case, the debating tactic of connecting shoe bomb to cabin fires > is not very useful here. Unfortunately, it seems to me that one of the phenomenon that is taking place is that security measures are being chosen on the basis of governments needing to be seen to be "doing something" as opposed to the notions of necessary and sufficient efficacy. You might be right about that this characterization of the "danger of liquids" is nonsense. But I'm not sure but that security measures are being set up on the basis of "nonsense" of that very sort. > > Bomb a train, you tie up the line for a few hours and kill some of the people > > in the compartment, which may be as few as 10 people. > So when talking about aircraft you say "as much as" and about other > modes, "as few as"... what kind of crap is that? Airplanes can go > airborne with "as few as 10 people" and _current_ trains can easily > carry more than 500. Derail a high-speed train and you _do_ get deaths. But we haven't got any "high speed" trains, not on this continent... > > Bomb a train station or airport terminal, and you'll get a handful of souls if that. > Spoken by someone who's never had to endure a passenger terminal at its > peak. Consider that all of those air passengers had to stand in line to > check in. Visit Terminal 1 at about 7pm most nights (most European > flights leave early evening) and talk about a 'handful of souls'... what > rubbish. There may be plenty more *people*, but that doesn't mean that they'd all be killed. Crash a 737 and nobody will walk away, with a high potential of a couple hundred deaths. Even with a pretty big anorak, in a pretty crowded terminal, it would be difficult for a personally-carried explosive device to get a fraction of that. > > Detonate a truck bomb (say, the size of the one Timothy McVeigh used) in the middle of a > > span of the Boor Viaduct and you'd disrupt life in Toronto for days, weeks, > > maybe months > So the Bloor Viadict is a poor target. There are others. It should be > noted that McVeigh did his damage using a truck as a delivery vehicle > and the target was a regular office building. No, in contrast, this suggests that it's a pretty *good* target. > > Hijack a typical ship, even an oil tanker, and congratulations you have a large, slowly-moving, use-once-and-discard battering ram - we don't send many ships with Mount > > Blanc's cargo of munitions from Point A to Point B much anymore, as World War > > I ended some time ago. > > > Many of the newest superships are equipped with more than 3,500 berths > (talk about sitting ducks!), not to mention lots of people who slept > through the lifeboat drill. But unlike with a plane, if you shut the engines down, it's not "30 seconds until you have 250 pancakes." > Even better targets (should one be looking) are overcrowded ferries, > which sail with hundreds of people and often miserable safety > facilities. A fatal accident on one of those happened as recently as a > month ago in Egypt, and another in Sierra Leone killed about 150. I think you're right; ferries are likely amongst the most vulnerable possible targets. > > So yes, if you want to do spectacular damage, aircraft remain our civilization's biggest soft spot. > > > Absolute BS. The paranoia about planes comes more from human > claustrophobia and helplessness while in the air than anything else. > Certainly not fact. But the reaction that came when Al Qaeda attacked the "flight system" in 2001 says that this *is* right. Aircraft may not be the easiest targets, but I don't think there's any argument but that they represent a pretty ultimate example of "spectacular damage." -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 07:00:19 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 03:00:19 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709251551m759a7463jc1bf2555583ab4d8-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <3a97ef0709251551m759a7463jc1bf2555583ab4d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070926030019.21c047f3@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Tyler Aviss wrote: > > On 9/25/07, JoeHill wrote: > > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > > > I want to put linux on my son's computer. The bottom line is that he be > > > able to play Starcraft. I know the things out there for Windows programs > > > include winex (incl. cedega transgaming), CodeWeavers, Win4Lin and > > > VMWare. I don't mind paying for all this to work. Although I was proud > > > to be able to get my emu 1212 m pci soundcard working under linux I > > > think this would be a harder task (maybe beyond me). Some of these > > > things (winex et al.) I believe are kind of in bed with a couple of OSs > > > (linspire? SuSE?). > > > > > > I have read some unfavourable comments about linspire/cedega that you > > > have to pay, pay, pay, for a questionable product (not to mention it's > > > not GPL correct). Another sticking point for my son is whether or not > > > he'll be able to play Startcraft /online./ He says there are extra > > > software bits to download for that - he's assuming these have not been > > > ported to linux. Cedega guarantees Starcraft but they don't mention > > > playing online. I've been able to do most things I've set out to do on > > > linux (in large part by the grace of this mailing list) but what are my > > > chances of success with this project? > > > > I have never played starcraft (though now I'm kinda curious), but I wanted > > to throw in another 'try wine'. > > > > The latest wine is very very good. It _finally_ let me play Halflife 2, > > which is can be a tough nut to crack because you cannot run it without this > > really irritating Steam program, and that was always the headache. As soon > > as I installed the most recent version of Wine, it ran almost flawlessly. > > > > Cedega...well...a ways back I actually asked for support from them. All my > > games would run, including Quake 4, Doom 3 (natively of course), Medal of > > Honour, Halflife, etc., but HL2 would not. Steam kept complaining that my > > video card was not supported (GeForce 7600). The folks at Cedega could only > > advise me to get a better video card. Uuuuuh, yeah, sure. > > > > As far as I can tell, they're not terribly interested in anything but > > getting their subscription payment. > > > > -- > > JoeHill > > ++++++++++++++++++++ > > Fry: "I'm not prejudiced." > > Bender: "Ah, save it for the cross-burning, Adolf." > > > > > > Hey Joe, > > > Did you have to do anything to strip copy-protection out of other > games (especially the original-disc-required ones) or did they work > just fine without doing that? I haven't tried vanilla wine for games > in awhile (well, haven't played many games in awhile actually) No issues with copy-protection at all. Well...okay, the Medal of Honour, because it's...well...less than legit. I really should just buy it, it's probably about $5 by now. That one I have a crack for. Otherwise, nothing. Halflife and Halflife 2 have no requirement for the CD's, as long as Steam can verify your key, you're good to go. I'm pretty sure most current games use a similar method, ie. verifying over the 'net, Quake 4 does that, though of course that will run natively on Linux. No-CD cracks, if you need them, are just as easy to find as they always were. I see them all the time on Bittorrent. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Fry: "Well, thanks to the internet I'm now bored with sex. Is ther a place on the web that panders to my lust for violence?" Bender: "Is the space-pope reptilian?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 11:27:28 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:27:28 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200709251009.53306.glayng@sympatico.ca> <46F976A1.9020003@telly.org> Message-ID: <46FA4220.7020605@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: >> Also: current formulas of jet fuel are designed as to be highly >> resistant to explosion. >> > > That seems to fly in the face of the way jet fuel works. For it to > function as aircraft fuel, it needs to *cause* explosions, and there's > no question but that the fuel is an inflammable energy source to add > to 1/2 mv^2 > Fuel is not intended to explode. Even in piston engines, explosions are undesirable. What you want is a fast moving flame front. If the fuel exploded quickly, as happens with high explosives, your engine wouldn't last very long. With turbine engines you want a steady, continuous burning, not an explosion. Back in the days when jet aircraft were being introduced, one of the selling points was fuel safety. One promoter even had a convincing demo. He'd stand in a puddle of jet fuel and drop lit matches into it. He'd then challenge a jet opponent to do the same with the gasoline fuel used in piston aircraft. No one accepted the challenge. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 07:34:17 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 03:34:17 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46F9A82D.8040900-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070926033417.0858b330@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Chris Aitken wrote: > Tyler Aviss wrote: > > > > I've never used wine - I'm reading the man page now. It looks like I > > > just point wine to the executable of Starcraft.. > > > > Assuming the copy-protection issues can be ignored. Yeah, just pop in > > the CD and have wine run setup.exe or whatever. > Well, I'm getting somewhere. I popped in the CD, nautilus displayed its > contents, I right-clicked setup.exe, chose "Open with Wine Windows > Emulator", installed Starcraft. I had my son try it out. He showed me > that 'Single Player' is working, but when he goes to 'Multi-Player' > > 'Battle.Net a little box popped up but minus the status bar which shows > it is downloading stuff. This box (which does not give us the status > bar) then disappears. Isn't .Net an MS technology - would it be stupid > to expect it to work in linux? This page might help, not sure if this is the right version of Starcraft: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=149 There are some tips on getting battle.net to 'behave', apparently it uses IPX (huh? haven't seen that in awhile...), but you can update the game to use UDP. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: A woman like that you gotta romance first! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 12:12:41 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:12:41 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <46FA4220.7020605-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200709251009.53306.glayng@sympatico.ca> <46F976A1.9020003@telly.org> <46FA4220.7020605@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46FA4CB9.1080509@visibleassets.com> James Knott wrote: > Christopher Browne wrote: > >>> Also: current formulas of jet fuel are designed as to be highly >>> resistant to explosion. >>> >>> >> That seems to fly in the face of the way jet fuel works. For it to >> function as aircraft fuel, it needs to *cause* explosions, and there's >> no question but that the fuel is an inflammable energy source to add >> to 1/2 mv^2 >> >> > Fuel is not intended to explode. Even in piston engines, explosions are > undesirable. What you want is a fast moving flame front. If the fuel > exploded quickly, as happens with high explosives, your engine wouldn't > last very long. With turbine engines you want a steady, continuous > burning, not an explosion. Back in the days when jet aircraft were > being introduced, one of the selling points was fuel safety. One > promoter even had a convincing demo. He'd stand in a puddle of jet fuel > and drop lit matches into it. He'd then challenge a jet opponent to do > the same with the gasoline fuel used in piston aircraft. No one > accepted the challenge. ;-) > > > Yeah, diesel fuel can do the same thing, and now they are running biodiesel which is essentially vegetable oil. Fairly harmless stuff until the right conditions are introduced. Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 12:17:56 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The joke is on SCO Message-ID: <111937.74519.qm@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This past week the User Friendly comic strip has done two SCO related strips: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070924 http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070925 Sad thing is that chances are excellent Darl likely will land on his feet making real $ off another company ... :-( . Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 12:59:07 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:59:07 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0709251608o17b0f4d6g1ab32740163ddf1a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200709251009.53306.glayng@sympatico.ca> <46F976A1.9020003@telly.org> <99a6c38f0709251608o17b0f4d6g1ab32740163ddf1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070926125907.GA7475@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 07:08:57PM -0400, Scott Elcomb wrote: > Can you provide sources for this claim? It's hard to imagine a fuel > source for combustion-based engines as being "resistant to > explosion."[2][3] Also, I'm curious how much more this feature would > cost - and how many airlines can afford to pay for it? Try making Diesel fuel explode. Good luck on that. In fact try setting it on fire. Even that takes work (you need to heat it up first). Jet fuel and Diesel fuel are very similar (in fact they can prety much be interchanged without issue, which is why there are new small planes with Diesel engines which run on jet fuel since that is what airports sell, and similarly there are stunt vehicles with jet engines which run on diesel fuel since it lubricates the engine better and reduces maintainance a bit). Gasoline on the other hand is highly volatile, and the resulting vapours are very explosive. Now once you get a fire going, jet fuel will be nicely heated and burn really well (it has slightly more energy per volume than gasoline) and will cause a nice mess, but you do have to make it catch fire first. Gasoline burns in an engine (usually) because it is vaporized and mixed with warm air and then a spark sets it off (fuel + oxygen + source of ignition = fire). Diesel burns in an engine because it is vaporized into very hot air which causes it to ignite and burn. Now you can do the same to gasoline, but being as volatile as it is makes it hard to control (although there are engines coming out that do exactly that, although they switch to using spark plugs and lower temperature (by using lower compression) at the high and very low engine speeds where ignition by heat of compression isn't controlable for such a volatile fuel. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 12:56:12 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:56:12 -0400 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <46F989A5.6020408-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46f97e87.0d39400a.73c4.12a5@mx.google.com> <46F98257.8080406@visibleassets.com> <46F989A5.6020408@telly.org> Message-ID: <46FA56EC.1060800@netdirect.ca> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Dave Cramer wrote: >> typically leave money in my company which is only taxed at 18% >> > Exactly. To be more specific, dividend income is taxed lower than salary > Or perhaps income splitting with the spouse or kids. Pay them to keep the office clean, as a board member, reception service. This only works if your spouse doesn't have an income or it's substantially lower than yours, and on the other side of an income tax bracket. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux Conference for users by users. -- *John Van Ostrand* *Net Direct Inc.* CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 map Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 ext.5102 *Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware* Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 14:59:58 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:59:58 -0400 Subject: What to do? It's Google's Street View. In-Reply-To: <20070601145921.GB1758-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0706010749u7ca16c8amac2b2bd715ff74d8@mail.gmail.com> <20070601145921.GB1758@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0709260759l2a9dbd3fl2030db7cafebcfff@mail.gmail.com> On 6/1/07, Neil Watson wrote: > When George Orwell created Bigbrother who could have predicted how > different it would turn out. Between Google, and the pervasive presence > of camera phones and web cams the citizens are now firmly doing the watching. > Disturbing? Yes, but it far better than Orwell's prediction. Cory Doctorow's come up with a rather relevant tale, Scroogled[1]. It's in this months' Radar Magazine under a Creative Commons license[2]. It speaks to the Orwellian connection and prompted an interview with the Wall Street Journal[3]. Interestingly, a Reuters news item[4] popped up on Google News (naturally) today regarding Street View in Canada. As referred to in the article, the Canadian Privacy Minister has some issues[5] with Street View. Cities offering to pay Google for the "service" provides a bunch of incentive for them to work around these issues though. It all feels a little spooky after reading Scroogled, but Doctorow provides some sanity in the WSJ interview. I have to wonder at what Ontario political parties think on topics like this -- they never become a public issue during elections. - Scott. [1] http://tinyurl.com/yudbmh or http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-magazine/2007/09/google_fiction_evil_dangerous_surveillance_control_1.php [2] BY-NC-SA [3] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119073238834038729.html?mod=hps_us_inside_today [4] http://uk.reuters.com/article/technology-media-telco-SP/idUKN2430696920070925 [5] http://www.privcom.gc.ca/media/let/let_070911_01_e.asp -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 15:27:23 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:27:23 -0400 Subject: Geek woman news story of possible interest... In-Reply-To: <46FA4CB9.1080509-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <336303.31876.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070923151532.p0k1qy6zxb8ggsgo@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20070924140320.GM5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200709251009.53306.glayng@sympatico.ca> <46F976A1.9020003@telly.org> <46FA4220.7020605@rogers.com> <46FA4CB9.1080509@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <46FA7A5B.1040703@rogers.com> Dave Cramer wrote: >> l is not intended to explode. Even in piston engines, explosions are >> undesirable. What you want is a fast moving flame front. If the fuel >> exploded quickly, as happens with high explosives, your engine wouldn't >> last very long. With turbine engines you want a steady, continuous >> burning, not an explosion. Back in the days when jet aircraft were >> being introduced, one of the selling points was fuel safety. One >> promoter even had a convincing demo. He'd stand in a puddle of jet fuel >> and drop lit matches into it. He'd then challenge a jet opponent to do >> the same with the gasoline fuel used in piston aircraft. No one >> accepted the challenge. ;-) >> >> >> > Yeah, diesel fuel can do the same thing, and now they are running > biodiesel which is essentially vegetable oil. Jet fuel (kerosene), automotive diesel and heating oil are very similar petroleum distilates and can often be interchanged. > > Fairly harmless stuff until the right conditions are introduced. The "right" conditions depend on how much vapour is in the air, as the liquid forms are harder to ignite. The higher volatility of gasoline makes it more dangerous, as more vapour is likely to be present. The fuel injectors in engines are used to create a mist that will burn easily. Incidentally, turbines and diesels are tolerant of a wide variety of fuels. The fuels commonly used are selected for the various practical reasons. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 16:38:52 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:38:52 -0700 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <20070926033417.0858b330-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> <20070926033417.0858b330@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709260938k248d8f6elfd991da1aada9c12@mail.gmail.com> It should only use IPX when playing LAN games with other people on the same network, so you probably don't have to worry much about that. On 9/26/07, JoeHill wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > Tyler Aviss wrote: > > > > > > > I've never used wine - I'm reading the man page now. It looks like I > > > > just point wine to the executable of Starcraft.. > > > > > > Assuming the copy-protection issues can be ignored. Yeah, just pop in > > > the CD and have wine run setup.exe or whatever. > > Well, I'm getting somewhere. I popped in the CD, nautilus displayed its > > contents, I right-clicked setup.exe, chose "Open with Wine Windows > > Emulator", installed Starcraft. I had my son try it out. He showed me > > that 'Single Player' is working, but when he goes to 'Multi-Player' > > > 'Battle.Net a little box popped up but minus the status bar which shows > > it is downloading stuff. This box (which does not give us the status > > bar) then disappears. Isn't .Net an MS technology - would it be stupid > > to expect it to work in linux? > > This page might help, not sure if this is the right version of Starcraft: > > http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=149 > > There are some tips on getting battle.net to 'behave', apparently it uses IPX > (huh? haven't seen that in awhile...), but you can update the game to use UDP. > > -- > JoeHill > ++++++++++++++++++++ > Bender: A woman like that you gotta romance first! > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 17:05:02 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:05:02 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709260938k248d8f6elfd991da1aada9c12-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> <20070926033417.0858b330@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <3a97ef0709260938k248d8f6elfd991da1aada9c12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070926130502.58899603@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Tyler Aviss wrote: > On 9/26/07, JoeHill wrote: > > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > > > Tyler Aviss wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I've never used wine - I'm reading the man page now. It looks like I > > > > > just point wine to the executable of Starcraft.. > > > > > > > > Assuming the copy-protection issues can be ignored. Yeah, just pop in > > > > the CD and have wine run setup.exe or whatever. > > > Well, I'm getting somewhere. I popped in the CD, nautilus displayed its > > > contents, I right-clicked setup.exe, chose "Open with Wine Windows > > > Emulator", installed Starcraft. I had my son try it out. He showed me > > > that 'Single Player' is working, but when he goes to 'Multi-Player' > > > > 'Battle.Net a little box popped up but minus the status bar which shows > > > it is downloading stuff. This box (which does not give us the status > > > bar) then disappears. Isn't .Net an MS technology - would it be stupid > > > to expect it to work in linux? > > > > This page might help, not sure if this is the right version of Starcraft: > > > > http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=149 > > > > There are some tips on getting battle.net to 'behave', apparently it uses > > IPX (huh? haven't seen that in awhile...), but you can update the game to > > use UDP. > > It should only use IPX when playing LAN games with other people on the > same network, so you probably don't have to worry much about that. Ha! Your top posting is no match for my cut and paste! ;) Anyhow, I went back and reread what was on that page, and now it's even curiouser (especially the very last sentence): "The only networking method in the release version is IPX. However, if you update the game, a new UDP networking option is available, which should work for all users. In order to use IPX networking, IPX will have to be enabled in the kernel, and you need some userspace utilities, usually called ipx-utils; and IPX must be started (there should be an initscript). Also note that StarCraft's network support is only available when it is run as root." -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Leela: Bender's flying too low! And he's upside-down! Protestor: He must be talking on a cell-phone. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 17:17:58 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:17:58 -0400 Subject: What to do? It's Google's Street View. In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0709260759l2a9dbd3fl2030db7cafebcfff-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0706010749u7ca16c8amac2b2bd715ff74d8@mail.gmail.com> <20070601145921.GB1758@watson-wilson.ca> <99a6c38f0709260759l2a9dbd3fl2030db7cafebcfff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709261318.02631.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On September 26, 2007 10:59:58 am Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 6/1/07, Neil Watson wrote: > > When George Orwell created Bigbrother who could have predicted how > > different it would turn out. Between Google, and the pervasive presence > > of camera phones and web cams the citizens are now firmly doing the > > watching. Disturbing? Yes, but it far better than Orwell's prediction. > > Cory Doctorow's come up with a rather relevant tale, Scroogled[1]. > It's in this months' Radar Magazine under a Creative Commons > license[2]. > > It speaks to the Orwellian connection and prompted an interview with > the Wall Street Journal[3]. > > Interestingly, a Reuters news item[4] popped up on Google News > (naturally) today regarding Street View in Canada. As referred to in > the article, the Canadian Privacy Minister has some issues[5] with > Street View. > > Cities offering to pay Google for the "service" provides a bunch of > incentive for them to work around these issues though. It all feels a > little spooky after reading Scroogled, but Doctorow provides some > sanity in the WSJ interview. > > I have to wonder at what Ontario political parties think on topics > like this -- they never become a public issue during elections. 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URL: From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 17:29:23 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:29:23 -0400 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <14270.99.232.71.193.1190774357.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <20070925204141.GK19126@watson-wilson.ca> <200709252105.51434.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <46F9BAE2.8000706@telly.org> <14270.99.232.71.193.1190774357.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20070926132923.17d8d162@node1.freeyourmachine.org> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > It protects you from creditors to some extent. The business can go > > bankrupt without you personally being on the hook to the company's > > creditors. Again, governments are immune from this -- if a failed > > company owes taxes they will come after the directors personally if the > > company's assests aren't enough. In particular, collecting taxes and not > > remitting (ie, sales tax or employee deductions) is a real no-no. > > > It should be mentioned that a sole proprietorship is much simpler > financially than an incorporated company. A corporation is a separate > entity so it must file its own tax return. The return is short but the > guide is 120 pages long! Some people do their own corporate return but in > general you'll need an accountant and that's an additional expense. Amen. That's the mistake I made. Also, if you incorporate, as opposed to a sole proprietorship, it is somewhat unpleasant if you ever want to dissolve the corporation. According to my accountant, dissolving the corporation would entail the government crawling up your butt with a high power microscope (not his exact words, some embellishment...). Now I just go in every year and pay him a hundred bucks or so to file a return for a dormant corp, until someday when it is resurrected and my plan to take over the world using Linux comes to fruition. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Fry: "I'm not prejudiced." Bender: "Ah, save it for the cross-burning, Adolf." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sorry, it's just that, if you knew my kids....I paid them, but it was more like extortion. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ One of Bender's kids: Can we have Bender burgers again? Bender: No, the cat shelter's onto me. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 17:50:29 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:50:29 -0400 Subject: What to do? It's Google's Street View. In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0709260759l2a9dbd3fl2030db7cafebcfff-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0706010749u7ca16c8amac2b2bd715ff74d8@mail.gmail.com> <20070601145921.GB1758@watson-wilson.ca> <99a6c38f0709260759l2a9dbd3fl2030db7cafebcfff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070926135029.261821b8@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 6/1/07, Neil Watson wrote: > > When George Orwell created Bigbrother who could have predicted how > > different it would turn out. Between Google, and the pervasive presence > > of camera phones and web cams the citizens are now firmly doing the > > watching. Disturbing? Yes, but it far better than Orwell's prediction. > > Cory Doctorow's come up with a rather relevant tale, Scroogled[1]. > It's in this months' Radar Magazine under a Creative Commons > license[2]. > > It speaks to the Orwellian connection and prompted an interview with > the Wall Street Journal[3]. > > Interestingly, a Reuters news item[4] popped up on Google News > (naturally) today regarding Street View in Canada. As referred to in > the article, the Canadian Privacy Minister has some issues[5] with > Street View. ..but apparently not with warrantless wiretapping. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/09/12/tech-privacy.html Absolutely amazing the way these people set priorities, eh? 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OTOH, if you start out small with a limited partnership or sole proprietorship, it's not going to be difficult to upgrade to an incorporation if the need arises. Incorporation adds an air of stability that's attractive to some clients. Spending the time and effort to incorporate lends credence to the fact that you plan on being in business for a while, and generally presents the opportunity for growth. It's also pretty easy to sell a successful incorporation (easy as in finding a buyer, not going through the rigamarole of actually going through the sale). Incorporations can carry a significant start-up cost. Laywers, accountants etc., are not offering services for free (1/2 hour free consult is a sales pitch IMHO). Creating a business plan takes a lot of time and effort that might be better spent on advertising and marketing, esp. in the early stages where you might get the feeling that you put your head on the block and you can imagine the "whoosh" as the imaginary axe is about to put your best laid plans to and end. If you have a bit of investment capital, do the math to see if the business can survive with zero income revenue for about six months (be sure to include all the hidden costs). Otherwise, I would wait to incorporate until either the capital or the need arises. That's just my experience. I'm gonna duck out and upgrade my flame-retardant suit to the latest version now. HTH Keith -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 18:19:22 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:19:22 -0400 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <1190915936.3692.31.camel@localhost> References: <20070925204141.GK19126@watson-wilson.ca> <1190915936.3692.31.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <46FAA2AA.7010103@netdirect.ca> keith wrote: > Incorporations can carry a significant start-up cost. Laywers, > accountants etc., are not offering services for free (1/2 hour free > consult is a sales pitch IMHO). Creating a business plan takes a lot of > time and effort that might be better spent on advertising and marketing, > esp. in the early stages where you might get the feeling that you put > your head on the block and you can imagine the "whoosh" as the imaginary > axe is about to put your best laid plans to and end. > We incorporated for $300 in 1995 using a kit purchased from a bookstore. We had to locate a name search company and use their services. In total with the kit it was less than $500 and was done in a day or two. Since then we've had lawyers review our work and make changes. This may be very suitable for a typical and simple corporation with a single shareholder. If you intend to have multiple shareholders you may want to consider using a lawyer to provide some protection from estranged shareholders in the future. A business plan is not needed for incorporation but you do need to know what you intend on doing. A business plan also doesn't have to cost a lot. It can be a spreadsheet showing the expected cash flow and financials for the business so that you have an idea what it takes to break even or make money. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux Conference for users by users. -- *John Van Ostrand* *Net Direct Inc.* CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 map Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 ext.5102 *Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware* Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 18:29:24 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:29:24 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <20070926130502.58899603-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> <20070926033417.0858b330@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <3a97ef0709260938k248d8f6elfd991da1aada9c12@mail.gmail.com> <20070926130502.58899603@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20070926182924.GB7475@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 01:05:02PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > Ha! Your top posting is no match for my cut and paste! ;) > > Anyhow, I went back and reread what was on that page, and now it's even > curiouser (especially the very last sentence): > > "The only networking method in the release version is IPX. However, if you > update the game, a new UDP networking option is available, which should work > for all users. In order to use IPX networking, IPX will have to be enabled in > the kernel, and you need some userspace utilities, usually called ipx-utils; > and IPX must be started (there should be an initscript). Also note that > StarCraft's network support is only available when it is run as root." So if you get the latest update patch for starcraft it should support UDP. If it requires root, it probably means that they stupidly used a port number lower than 1024. battle.net had some serious problems early on. Seems blizzard simply have no clue at the start when it came to networking. IPX is only useful for local networks, where many years ago it was considered perfectly reasonable to use. Then the Internet came along for regular folks and ipx and netbeui went away (good riddance too). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 18:34:41 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <46FAA2AA.7010103-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20070925204141.GK19126@watson-wilson.ca> <1190915936.3692.31.camel@localhost> <46FAA2AA.7010103@netdirect.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, John Van Ostrand wrote: > We incorporated for $300 in 1995 using a kit purchased from a bookstore. We > had to locate a name search company and use their services. In total with the > kit it was less than $500 and was done in a day or two. Since then we've had > lawyers review our work and make changes. I incorporated a Canadian federal business in 2003. It cost $220 (including NUANS (name) search) and took about 45 minutes. It would have been quicker but I had to email my new business partner and ask him what his middle name was so I could fill out the online form properly. :) Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 18:40:49 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:40:49 -0400 Subject: What to do? It's Google's Street View. In-Reply-To: <20070926135029.261821b8-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0706010749u7ca16c8amac2b2bd715ff74d8@mail.gmail.com> <20070601145921.GB1758@watson-wilson.ca> <99a6c38f0709260759l2a9dbd3fl2030db7cafebcfff@mail.gmail.com> <20070926135029.261821b8@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0709261140o43f5cf33k6aec8dbe57cb6723@mail.gmail.com> On 9/26/07, JoeHill wrote: > ..but apparently not with warrantless wiretapping. > > http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/09/12/tech-privacy.html > > Absolutely amazing the way these people set priorities, eh? Strangely, I'm just > not that worried that Street View is going to accidentally catch someone > picking their nose when I learn that the spooks want to be able to tap into my > internet connection any time they feel like it. Thanks for the heads up; I suspect I missed this in the excitement leading up to the Startup Weekend Toronto event. If the following's been posted before, apologies for the dup. The "consultation" is described, and provides addresses for sending comments to, at: http://securitepublique.gc.ca/prg/ns/cna-en.asp Commenting closes on October 12th, but it doesn't look like others' comments are available for public review. (I'd be happy to hear otherwise!) -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 18:50:50 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <46FAA2AA.7010103-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20070925204141.GK19126@watson-wilson.ca> <1190915936.3692.31.camel@localhost> <46FAA2AA.7010103@netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <15200.99.232.71.193.1190832650.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > A business plan is not needed for incorporation but you do need to know > what you intend on doing. A business plan also doesn't have to cost a > lot. It can be a spreadsheet showing the expected cash flow and > financials for the business so that you have an idea what it takes to > break even or make money. I used to be skeptical of the value of business plans but we were forced into it to apply for a government grant. There are some excellent tutorials and guides on the web that I used to fulfill this requirement. We did get a very small grant but the business plan turned out to be invaluable because it forced us to confront some thorny questions on the objectives and methods of the proposed business. For example, it forced me to research the markets thoroughly and that turned up some interesting statistics. So a business plan might be a good idea - irrespective of whether it's for sole proprietorship or corporation. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 18:56:21 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:56:21 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <20070926182924.GB7475-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> <20070926033417.0858b330@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <3a97ef0709260938k248d8f6elfd991da1aada9c12@mail.gmail.com> <20070926130502.58899603@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20070926182924.GB7475@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070926145621.3c044987@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 01:05:02PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > > Ha! Your top posting is no match for my cut and paste! ;) > > > > Anyhow, I went back and reread what was on that page, and now it's even > > curiouser (especially the very last sentence): > > > > "The only networking method in the release version is IPX. However, if you > > update the game, a new UDP networking option is available, which should work > > for all users. In order to use IPX networking, IPX will have to be enabled > > in the kernel, and you need some userspace utilities, usually called > > ipx-utils; and IPX must be started (there should be an initscript). Also > > note that StarCraft's network support is only available when it is run as > > root." > > So if you get the latest update patch for starcraft it should support > UDP. If it requires root, it probably means that they stupidly used a > port number lower than 1024. battle.net had some serious problems early > on. Seems blizzard simply have no clue at the start when it came to > networking. The way they wrote that bit is kind of obtuse, though. Do they mean that root is required if you go the IPX route and have to tweak the kernel, or in general? Technical people are a bit not good for getting across meaning what they say all times ;) > IPX is only useful for local networks, where many years ago it was > considered perfectly reasonable to use. Then the Internet came along > for regular folks and ipx and netbeui went away (good riddance too). They used to come in handy when you wanted to set up a temp connection on the network that no one else would have access to, seeing as netbeui is non-routable. Hackish, I know, but for quick and dirty... -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "Bender, I don't care whether you have money. I love you for your artificial intelligence and your sincerity simulator." -Countess de la Roca -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Between Google, and the pervasive presence >>> of camera phones and web cams the citizens are now firmly doing the >>> watching. Disturbing? Yes, but it far better than Orwell's prediction. >>> >> Cory Doctorow's come up with a rather relevant tale, Scroogled[1]. >> It's in this months' Radar Magazine under a Creative Commons >> license[2]. >> >> It speaks to the Orwellian connection and prompted an interview with >> the Wall Street Journal[3]. >> >> Interestingly, a Reuters news item[4] popped up on Google News >> (naturally) today regarding Street View in Canada. As referred to in >> the article, the Canadian Privacy Minister has some issues[5] with >> Street View. >> > > ..but apparently not with warrantless wiretapping. > > http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/09/12/tech-privacy.html > > Absolutely amazing the way these people set priorities, eh? Strangely, I'm just > not that worried that Street View is going to accidentally catch someone > picking their nose when I learn that the spooks want to be able to tap into my > internet connection any time they feel like it. > > All the more reason to use encrypted email and VoIP. Incidentally, I'm in the middle of reading "Crypto" by Steven Levy, which covers a lot about the U.S. government's attempts to limit use of encryption. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 19:09:09 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: References: <20070925204141.GK19126@watson-wilson.ca> <1190915936.3692.31.camel@localhost> <46FAA2AA.7010103@netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <15230.99.232.71.193.1190833749.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > I incorporated a Canadian federal business in 2003. It cost $220 > (including NUANS (name) search) and took about 45 minutes. Yeah, and you can get married in Los Vegas in a drive-thru chapel. These are so-called one-way functions ;) ;). -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 18:41:05 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <20070926132923.17d8d162-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20070925204141.GK19126@watson-wilson.ca> <200709252105.51434.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <46F9BAE2.8000706@telly.org> <14270.99.232.71.193.1190774357.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20070926132923.17d8d162@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <15171.99.232.71.193.1190832065.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > According to my accountant, dissolving the corporation would entail the > government crawling up your butt with a high power microscope (not his > exact > words, some embellishment...). Now I just go in every year and pay him a > hundred bucks or so to file a return for a dormant corp, until someday The return is pretty simple if you did no business. It used to be complicated but they simplified it to the point where it looks to me as if you check off one box, sign your life away and then file the thing. I don't think an accountant would really be necessary for that. (Zero income is a really simple concept ;). Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 19:07:29 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:07:29 -0400 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <15200.99.232.71.193.1190832650.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <20070925204141.GK19126@watson-wilson.ca> <1190915936.3692.31.camel@localhost> <46FAA2AA.7010103@netdirect.ca> <15200.99.232.71.193.1190832650.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <46FAADF1.60006@netdirect.ca> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > I used to be skeptical of the value of business plans but we were forced > into it to apply for a government grant. There are some excellent > tutorials and guides on the web that I used to fulfill this requirement. > We did get a very small grant but the business plan turned out to be > invaluable because it forced us to confront some thorny questions on the > objectives and methods of the proposed business. > > For example, it forced me to research the markets thoroughly and that > turned up some interesting statistics. > > So a business plan might be a good idea - irrespective of whether it's for > sole proprietorship or corporation. > I agree and I think the only reason why people are hesitant is that they don't know what one is or they are just so darn sure their idea will work that they don't want to invest the time. I think most people build their own plan informally without knowing it. We are probably getting off topic for this since I think the original poster (who was it) was simply doing consulting. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! 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URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 19:16:46 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:16:46 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <20070926145621.3c044987-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> <20070926033417.0858b330@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <3a97ef0709260938k248d8f6elfd991da1aada9c12@mail.gmail.com> <20070926130502.58899603@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20070926182924.GB7475@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070926145621.3c044987@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20070926191646.GC7475@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 02:56:21PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > They used to come in handy when you wanted to set up a temp connection on the > network that no one else would have access to, seeing as netbeui is > non-routable. Hackish, I know, but for quick and dirty... It is also broadcast so everyone sees your data who is on the network. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 19:17:28 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:17:28 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709251919m771f8cb7w671e6db9dcf33265-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251919m771f8cb7w671e6db9dcf33265@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FAB048.4040308@chrisaitken.net> Tyler Aviss wrote: > Now, in regards to the battle.net stuff, usually that progress bar etc > shows up when it is downloading updates from the website. Yes, that's what my son tells me. > So maybe > your wine can't get online, or there's some other issue connecting to > the battle.net site. If you have a cracked version of the game, the > invalid key might also prevent this. > It's actually a store-bought copy in the store-bought case with CD-Key on it. He was playing Starcraft from his machine (with W98) a week ago. I wonder if Battle.Net keeps a record of his IP address (though that wouldn't make sense as his IP address would change every time I reboot the cable modem (or more often?)) so he doesn't try to play from the same CD-Key on two machines. Or maybe it keeps a record of his MAC address. I'm trying to get Starcraft going on my box before I install linux on his. So, we're not doing anything (license-wise) that Blizzard would not like, but they may not know that... > I'll see if I can dig up my CD and install with vanilla wine and, > failing that, perhaps with Cedega. > > You may have mentioned it before, but... what variety of Linux are you > using (RedHat, Debian, SUSE, Ubuntu, ?? ) > fedora 7 Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 19:30:57 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux Guys get Makeover Message-ID: <15283.99.232.71.193.1190835057.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Reported in cbc.ca today: ------------------------- Nerds at Washington State University hope to auction selves to sorority women Published: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 | 4:51 PM ET Canadian Press: THE ASSOCIATED PRESS PULLMAN, Wash. - Looking to recruit more women, and perhaps date some sorority women, the largest computer club at Washington State University hopes to hold a "nerd auction." The idea is to trade their computer skills to sorority girls in exchange for a makeover and, possibly, a date. "You can buy a nerd and he'll fix your computer, help you with stats homework, or if you're really adventurous, take you to dinner!" Ben Ford, president of the Linux Users Group, said on its website. Ford acknowledged that some of the group's 213 registered members may not be ready for the auction block. "The problem is that we're all still nerds. Let's face it, guys. If anyone's going to bid on us, we'll need some spicing up," he wrote. "And who better to help with that than sorority girls who like nothing better than a makeover?" This all began as an effort to recruit more women into computer science programs and a public relations class decided to help. "Our conclusion was that they need to promote themselves better, then specific ideas were presented to them," said professor Moon Lee, who taught the public relations class. "They made suggestions to work with specific groups such as sororities. Sorority groups tend to have a very good social network." Ford, who has an undergraduate degree in computer science and is pursuing a master's in business management, has spoken to several sororities, but so far none has committed to the project. A call to the Center for Fraternity and Sorority Life at WSU by The Associated Press was not immediately returned. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 19:24:43 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:24:43 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709260938k248d8f6elfd991da1aada9c12-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> <20070926033417.0858b330@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <3a97ef0709260938k248d8f6elfd991da1aada9c12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FAB1FB.4050608@chrisaitken.net> Tyler Aviss wrote: > It should only use IPX when playing LAN games with other people on the > same network, so you probably don't have to worry much about that. > Yes, that sounds right - that's the way the Starcraft menu explained it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 20:36:27 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:36:27 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <20070926130502.58899603-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> <20070926033417.0858b330@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <3a97ef0709260938k248d8f6elfd991da1aada9c12@mail.gmail.com> <20070926130502.58899603@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <46FAC2CB.10202@chrisaitken.net> JoeHill wrote: > "The only networking method in the release version is IPX. However, if you > update the game, a new UDP networking option is available, which should work > for all users. In order to use IPX networking, IPX will have to be enabled in > the kernel, and you need some userspace utilities, usually called ipx-utils; > and IPX must be started (there should be an initscript). Also note that > StarCraft's network support is only available when it is run as root." > Okay, I tried that. I found that the path to Starcraft (on the CD) is /media/Starcraft so I did su, then wine /media/Starcraft/setup.exe to run the game as root. Nothing changed - I got the same results. Actually, one thing did change - the animated Blizzard logo took a full minute to load. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 22:57:05 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:57:05 -0700 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46FAB048.4040308-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251919m771f8cb7w671e6db9dcf33265@mail.gmail.com> <46FAB048.4040308@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <3a97ef0709261557p5e5912f4o7f93167a92b105e9@mail.gmail.com> Just out of curiosity, do you have any other small games/apps that you could run under WINE to see if they can get online? If you wanted, maybe try installing IES4linux (it also sometimes installs files which may fix other wine-run installers/apps). That'll give you Internet Explorer, which you could run to see if your internet access, etc is working properly from wine http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Installation:Fedora On 9/26/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > Tyler Aviss wrote: > > > > Now, in regards to the battle.net stuff, usually that progress bar etc > > shows up when it is downloading updates from the website. > Yes, that's what my son tells me. > > So maybe > > your wine can't get online, or there's some other issue connecting to > > the battle.net site. If you have a cracked version of the game, the > > invalid key might also prevent this. > > > It's actually a store-bought copy in the store-bought case with CD-Key > on it. He was playing Starcraft from his machine (with W98) a week ago. > I wonder if Battle.Net keeps a record of his IP address (though that > wouldn't make sense as his IP address would change every time I reboot > the cable modem (or more often?)) so he doesn't try to play from the > same CD-Key on two machines. Or maybe it keeps a record of his MAC > address. I'm trying to get Starcraft going on my box before I install > linux on his. So, we're not doing anything (license-wise) that Blizzard > would not like, but they may not know that... > > I'll see if I can dig up my CD and install with vanilla wine and, > > failing that, perhaps with Cedega. > > > > You may have mentioned it before, but... what variety of Linux are you > > using (RedHat, Debian, SUSE, Ubuntu, ?? ) > > > fedora 7 > > Chris > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 27 00:31:54 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:31:54 -0400 Subject: Problems with sound In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709232210q46bbacb0o7d6d6b373d0ef9bc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070921180124.GA8072@waltdnes.org> <20070921185709.GI5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924045408.GA32596@waltdnes.org> <3a97ef0709232210q46bbacb0o7d6d6b373d0ef9bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070927003154.GA8098@waltdnes.org> On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 05:10:43AM +0000, Tyler Aviss wrote > Do you see your soundcard at all when you run "alsaconf"? Maybe you've > actually got an OSS driver loading and not the appropriate ALSA PCI > one (what's the result of "lspci" and "lsmod"). I built the kernel with ALSA and without OSS. lsmod only-shows ehci-hcd. The card support is built into the kernel. alsaconf can't find it. If I build the card support (Intel8x0/NvidiaCK807) as a module, alsaconf "finds it", goes through the motions of setting it up, but I get the same error when trying to use alsa. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 27 00:32:19 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:32:19 -0400 Subject: Problems with sound In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709241218m715cf8clbee7696b957fde2c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070921180124.GA8072@waltdnes.org> <20070921185709.GI5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924045408.GA32596@waltdnes.org> <20070924140655.GN5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef0709241218m715cf8clbee7696b957fde2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070927003219.GB8098@waltdnes.org> On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 07:18:28PM +0000, Tyler Aviss wrote > Ahhh, good point. Does it work as root but not as a standard user > (which would indeed be a permissions issue). However, I assumed that > since it worked before this wasn't the case, but perhaps udev or > something of that ilk decided to rewrite the permissions on various > devices. > > It might be an idea to check the permissions on some of these: > /dev/snd* > /dev/audio* > /dev/mixer* [m3000][root][~] ls -al /dev/snd* total 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 180 Sep 26 19:04 . drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 13580 Sep 26 19:04 .. crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 0 Sep 26 19:04 controlC0 crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 24 Sep 26 19:04 pcmC0D0c crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 16 Sep 26 19:04 pcmC0D0p crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 25 Sep 26 19:04 pcmC0D1c crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 18 Sep 26 19:04 pcmC0D2p crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 1 Sep 26 14:58 seq crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 33 Sep 26 14:58 timer [m3000][root][~] ls -al /dev/sound* total 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 160 Sep 26 19:04 . drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 13580 Sep 26 19:04 .. crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 12 Sep 26 19:04 adsp crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 4 Sep 26 19:04 audio crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Sep 26 19:04 dsp crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 0 Sep 26 19:04 mixer crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 1 Sep 26 14:58 sequencer crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 8 Sep 26 14:58 sequencer2 [m3000][root][~] ls -al /dev/audio lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Sep 26 19:04 /dev/audio -> sound/audio [m3000][root][~] ls -al /dev/mixer lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Sep 26 19:04 /dev/mixer -> sound/mixer [m3000][root][~] Even as root, mpg123 chokes Directory: /home/misc/music/pop_standards/ Playing MPEG stream 1 of 1: Tennessee_Waltz_-_Patti_Page.mp3 ... Title: The Tennessee Waltz Artist: Patti Page Comment: Album: Year: 1950 Genre: Oldies MPEG 2.0 layer III, 64 kbits/s, 22050 Hz joint-stereo initialize_device(): cannot set hw params audio: Success Since my troubles began with a kernel upgrade, I'll go back to the previous version and see if that solves my problem. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 27 00:33:18 2007 From: andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org (Andrew Cowie) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:33:18 +1000 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <20070926130502.58899603-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> <20070926033417.0858b330@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <3a97ef0709260938k248d8f6elfd991da1aada9c12@mail.gmail.com> <20070926130502.58899603@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <1190853198.5785.4.camel@moonglow.roaming.operationaldynamics.com> On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 13:05 -0400, JoeHill wrote: > > It should only use IPX when playing LAN games with other people on the > > same network, so you probably don't have to worry much about that. > > Ha! Your top posting is no match for my cut and paste! ;) That's very droll (and a more civilized alternative to just being negative & rude, although unfortunately it comes close to being an inside joke that most won't get. What we probably need is a mail filter on lists and in MTAs to reject [with explanation] any such message. Like that's going to happen, {sigh}) AfC Sydney -- Andrew Frederick Cowie Managing Director Operational Dynamics Consulting, Pty Ltd Sydney +61 2 9977 6866 New York +1 646 472 5054 Toronto +1 647 477 5603 London +44 207 1019201 We are an operations engineering consultancy focusing on strategy, organizational architecture, systems review, and change management procedures: enabling successful use of open source in mission critical enterprises, worldwide. http://www.operationaldynamics.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Your top posting is no match for my cut and paste! ;) > > That's very droll > > (and a more civilized alternative to just being negative & rude, > although unfortunately it comes close to being an inside joke that most > won't get. What we probably need is a mail filter on lists and in MTAs > to reject [with explanation] any such message. Like that's going to > happen, {sigh}) > > AfC > Sydney > >-- >Andrew Frederick Cowie >Managing Director >Operational Dynamics Consulting, Pty Ltd > >Sydney ? ?+61 2 9977 6866 >New York ?+1 646 472 5054 >Toronto ? +1 647 477 5603 >London ? ?+44 207 1019201 > >We are an operations engineering consultancy focusing on strategy, >organizational architecture, systems review, and change management >procedures: enabling successful use of open source in mission >critical enterprises, worldwide. > >http://www.operationaldynamics.com/ And another to check that signatures aren't (2x) longer than the content of the reply. 9 lines of text, 18 of signature. Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 27 01:29:51 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:29:51 -0400 Subject: Problems with sound In-Reply-To: <20070927003219.GB8098-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20070921180124.GA8072@waltdnes.org> <3a97ef0709241218m715cf8clbee7696b957fde2c@mail.gmail.com> <20070927003219.GB8098@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <200709262129.51446.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On September 26, 2007 08:32:19 pm Walter Dnes wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 07:18:28PM +0000, Tyler Aviss wrote > > > Ahhh, good point. Does it work as root but not as a standard user > > (which would indeed be a permissions issue). However, I assumed that > > since it worked before this wasn't the case, but perhaps udev or > > something of that ilk decided to rewrite the permissions on various > > devices. > > > > It might be an idea to check the permissions on some of these: > > /dev/snd* > > /dev/audio* > > /dev/mixer* > > > Even as root, mpg123 chokes > > Directory: /home/misc/music/pop_standards/ > Playing MPEG stream 1 of 1: Tennessee_Waltz_-_Patti_Page.mp3 ... > Title: The Tennessee Waltz Artist: Patti Page > Comment: Album: > Year: 1950 Genre: Oldies > MPEG 2.0 layer III, 64 kbits/s, 22050 Hz joint-stereo > initialize_device(): cannot set hw params > audio: Success > > Since my troubles began with a kernel upgrade, I'll go back to the > previous version and see if that solves my problem. Wouldn't be 2.6.21 on Lenny would it? I had trouble with my soundcard not showing up at boot *always*. I typically roll my own kernel and install it with checkinstall though initially with Lenny I didn't and hance the problem. Removing OSS and compiling the module as a module, and not statically has my sound working on 2.6.22.8 no problem, no manual modprobe/rmmod/alsaconf intervention on my part. Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 27 04:44:08 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:44:08 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <20070926191646.GC7475-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> <20070926033417.0858b330@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <3a97ef0709260938k248d8f6elfd991da1aada9c12@mail.gmail.com> <20070926130502.58899603@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20070926182924.GB7475@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070926145621.3c044987@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20070926191646.GC7475@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070927004408.4e4e17d5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 02:56:21PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > > They used to come in handy when you wanted to set up a temp connection on > > the network that no one else would have access to, seeing as netbeui is > > non-routable. Hackish, I know, but for quick and dirty... > > It is also broadcast so everyone sees your data who is on the network. Even if they're on a different segment? Eep...and we thought we were being so sneaky. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "I betcha Leela's holding out for a nice guy with one eye." -Fry "That'll take forever. What she oughta do is find a nice guy with two eyes and poke one out." -Bender "Yeah, that'd be a timesaver." -Fry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Eep...and we thought we were being so > sneaky. Well within a switched network anyone can see broadcast traffic (that is what broadcast traffic is supposed to do after all). Seperate vlans and other physically seperate networks of course do not see it since they are designed to keep broadcast traffic issolated to each network. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 27 14:01:52 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:01:52 -0400 Subject: Problems with sound In-Reply-To: <20070927003154.GA8098-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20070921180124.GA8072@waltdnes.org> <20070921185709.GI5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070924045408.GA32596@waltdnes.org> <3a97ef0709232210q46bbacb0o7d6d6b373d0ef9bc@mail.gmail.com> <20070927003154.GA8098@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20070927140152.GE7475@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 08:31:54PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > I built the kernel with ALSA and without OSS. lsmod only-shows > ehci-hcd. The card support is built into the kernel. alsaconf can't > find it. If I build the card support (Intel8x0/NvidiaCK807) as a > module, alsaconf "finds it", goes through the motions of setting it up, > but I get the same error when trying to use alsa. Why would you not build it as a module? It is much easier for udev to detect your hardware and pass the correct parameters and to ensure things are initialized in the right order. It also takes care of setting permissions on the /dev entries which built in won't do for you. The idea of an all built in kernel is extremely obsolete and doesn't work for many things anymore since it is not the method accepted by the developers of the kernel. check /proc/asound/cards Also having the module for oss emulation makes alsa much easier to use since there are still some programs that only support the oss interface. As for the problem with mpg123, well maybe the sound card isn't even detected, or maybe the sound chip is one of those intel ones that only does 48khz. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 27 16:11:04 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:11:04 -0400 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <20070925204141.GK19126-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070925204141.GK19126@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <1190909464.19044.70.camel@stan64.site> I incorp'd (did the use good lawfirm approach) = 1800$ It is useful for liability, but doesn't give you a get out of jail card. Cost of errors and emmisions insurance or a rock tight legal agreement to a client is probably a lot more then the 1800$ (and thats 1800$ one time). I got quoted E&E once at about 20-40K i think per year. The other advantage of Corp is if you have other pursuits that are similar, business or (shhhh.. hobby), this can be immensely helpful. Personally, the 1800$ (or get a cracker jack one for 300$), its a one time, life time fee, if your in the game for the duration, don't even think about not doing it, ALSO its a nice way to puts some roots down on a name, for ammo later with respect to domain infringe, trade mark, etc, -tl On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 16:41 -0400, Neil Watson wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have a question to direct to the self employed members of the group. > Are you incorporated? As an IT contractor are there reasons to > incorporate or not to incorporate? > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 27 19:18:43 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:18:43 -0400 Subject: Funny bit of spam... Message-ID: I got one of the usual Nigerian/411 scam spams; it had one great line: "I have been diagnosed with esophageal cancer. It has *defiled* all forms of medical treatment, and right now I have only about a few months to live, according to medical experts." Emphasis added :-). And of course, he's sorry that he was greedy, and wants to give me his remaining millions, at the cost that I'll have to pay some banking fees :-). -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 27 19:22:09 2007 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:22:09 -0400 Subject: Funny bit of spam... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070927192209.GA9669@otter.int.linuxcaffe.ca> On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 03:18:43PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > I got one of the usual Nigerian/411 scam spams; it had one great line: > > "I have been diagnosed with esophageal cancer. It has *defiled* all > forms of medical treatment, and right now I have only about a few > months to live, according to medical experts." > > Emphasis added :-). And of course, he's sorry that he was greedy, and > wants to give me his remaining millions, at the cost that I'll have to > pay some banking fees :-). Oh ! Oh ! SPAM BAITING OPPORTUNITY !!! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 27 23:09:48 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:09:48 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709261557p5e5912f4o7f93167a92b105e9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251919m771f8cb7w671e6db9dcf33265@mail.gmail.com> <46FAB048.4040308@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709261557p5e5912f4o7f93167a92b105e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FC383C.4050605@chrisaitken.net> Tyler Aviss wrote: > Just out of curiosity, do you have any other small games/apps that you > could run under WINE to see if they can get online? > Hmm, let me see here. I have Command & Conquer, and SWAT2. Not sure how to tell if they have an online version on the CD (as it were). I'll poke around the readme files and see... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 27 23:58:42 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:58:42 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <20070925194032.GB5385-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925132259.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F9585D.7010904@chrisaitken.net> <20070925194032.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46FC43B2.3050809@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 02:50:05PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> 256 MB RAM - I don't think that will cut it for VMWare... >> > > Nope. I wouldn't try that. Well you could start vmware with maybe 32MB > ram running win95 or 98 and run starcraft on that. That would probably > be OK. > I'm in the middle of a VMWare Workstation installation (legal copy BTW). I'm being asked... What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] I don't know the answer to that. I tried hitting Enter to accept default - didn't work. I tried typing 'y' for yes (stupid, I know). I tried typing in the default (/usr/src/linux/include) - also didn't work. Chris > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 00:20:30 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:20:30 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46FC43B2.3050809-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925132259.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F9585D.7010904@chrisaitken.net> <20070925194032.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46FC43B2.3050809@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <7ac602420709271720g5f1cce3dgdadf69d61c95ae76@mail.gmail.com> On 9/27/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > I'm in the middle of a VMWare Workstation installation (legal copy BTW). > I'm being asked... > > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > running > kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] > > I don't know the answer to that. I tried hitting Enter to accept default > - didn't work. I tried typing 'y' for yes (stupid, I know). I tried > typing in the default (/usr/src/linux/include) - also didn't work. Which distribution are you running? Unless it's a source-based distribution (Gentoo's the only popular one I know of) you probably have to install a separate package that include the kernel headers. Someone else will have to help you with that, unless you know how to use your package manager to search for kernel-related packages. If you do know how to search, the package might have 'dev' in the name, or 'source', or 'src'. It would certainly have something about 'kernel' in either the name or the description. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 00:38:04 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:38:04 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46FC43B2.3050809-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925194032.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46FC43B2.3050809@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <200709272038.07309.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On September 27, 2007 07:58:42 pm Chris Aitken wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 02:50:05PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> 256 MB RAM - I don't think that will cut it for VMWare... > > > > Nope. I wouldn't try that. Well you could start vmware with maybe 32MB > > ram running win95 or 98 and run starcraft on that. That would probably > > be OK. > > I'm in the middle of a VMWare Workstation installation (legal copy BTW). > I'm being asked... > > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > running > kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] > > I don't know the answer to that. I tried hitting Enter to accept default > - didn't work. I tried typing 'y' for yes (stupid, I know). I tried > typing in the default (/usr/src/linux/include) - also didn't work. You'll need the kernel-devel package (yum install kernel-devel) and the vmware any-any patch if you're running vmware workstation 5. http://knihovny.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/vmware-any-any-update113.tar.gz There is an issue with vmware 6 on newer >= 2.6.21/22 kernels where the network part of the workstation/player fails to build. See this thread for people's various patched tarballs and instructions on how to apply them: http://communities.vmware.com/message/645058 I've had good success with this one: http://chaz6.com/?p=196 That being said, Starcraft runs fabulously well under Wine, there is no real need to run it in a virtual machine that I can see. Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 01:04:43 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:04:43 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <7ac602420709271720g5f1cce3dgdadf69d61c95ae76-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925132259.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F9585D.7010904@chrisaitken.net> <20070925194032.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46FC43B2.3050809@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709271720g5f1cce3dgdadf69d61c95ae76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FC532B.5040808@chrisaitken.net> Ian Petersen wrote: > On 9/27/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I'm in the middle of a VMWare Workstation installation (legal copy BTW). >> I'm being asked... >> >> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your >> running >> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] >> >> I don't know the answer to that. I tried hitting Enter to accept default >> - didn't work. I tried typing 'y' for yes (stupid, I know). I tried >> typing in the default (/usr/src/linux/include) - also didn't work. >> > > Which distribution are you running? fedora 7 > Unless it's a source-based > distribution (Gentoo's the only popular one I know of) you probably > have to install a separate package that include the kernel headers. > Someone else will have to help you with that, unless you know how to > use your package manager to search for kernel-related packages. If > you do know how to search, the package might have 'dev' in the name, > or 'source', or 'src'. It would certainly have something about > 'kernel' in either the name or the description. > > Ian > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 01:31:54 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:31:54 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0709261557p5e5912f4o7f93167a92b105e9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251919m771f8cb7w671e6db9dcf33265@mail.gmail.com> <46FAB048.4040308@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709261557p5e5912f4o7f93167a92b105e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FC598A.9020402@chrisaitken.net> Tyler Aviss wrote: > Just out of curiosity, do you have any other small games/apps that you > could run under WINE to see if they can get online? > > If you wanted, maybe try installing IES4linux (it also sometimes > installs files which may fix other wine-run installers/apps). That'll > give you Internet Explorer, which you could run to see if your > internet access, etc is working properly from wine > > http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Installation:Fedora > Okay - I installed ies4linux and it got me a little (a /very/ little) closer. The Battle.Net download status bar window (but tnot the status bar itself) resized itself and even tried to build the Battle.Net image behind - _ finally had to do a manual shutdown and I saw a snippet of a message just as I was shutting down: "Battle.Net could not verify the version of your application..." Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 01:42:48 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:42:48 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <200709272038.07309.jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925194032.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46FC43B2.3050809@chrisaitken.net> <200709272038.07309.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <46FC5C18.7070308@chrisaitken.net> Jamon Camisso wrote: > On September 27, 2007 07:58:42 pm Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 02:50:05PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: >>> >>>> 256 MB RAM - I don't think that will cut it for VMWare... >>>> >>> Nope. I wouldn't try that. Well you could start vmware with maybe 32MB >>> ram running win95 or 98 and run starcraft on that. That would probably >>> be OK. >>> >> I'm in the middle of a VMWare Workstation installation (legal copy BTW). >> I'm being asked... >> >> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your >> running >> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] >> >> I don't know the answer to that. I tried hitting Enter to accept default >> - didn't work. I tried typing 'y' for yes (stupid, I know). I tried >> typing in the default (/usr/src/linux/include) - also didn't work. >> > > You'll need the kernel-devel package (yum install kernel-devel) and the vmware > any-any patch if you're running vmware workstation 5. > http://knihovny.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/vmware-any-any-update113.tar.gz > Ok, I installed the any-any patch and vmware install is still asking... What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] > There is an issue with vmware 6 on newer >= 2.6.21/22 kernels where the > network part of the workstation/player fails to build. See this thread for > people's various patched tarballs and instructions on how to apply them: > http://communities.vmware.com/message/645058 > > I've had good success with this one: http://chaz6.com/?p=196 > > That being said, Starcraft runs fabulously well under Wine, there is no real > need to run it in a virtual machine that I can see. > Yeah, but it's the /online/ that is not working for me. Chris > Jamon > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 01:51:31 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:51:31 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <7ac602420709271720g5f1cce3dgdadf69d61c95ae76-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925132259.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F9585D.7010904@chrisaitken.net> <20070925194032.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46FC43B2.3050809@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709271720g5f1cce3dgdadf69d61c95ae76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FC5E23.2090807@chrisaitken.net> Ian Petersen wrote: > > Which distribution are you running? Unless it's a source-based > distribution (Gentoo's the only popular one I know of) you probably > have to install a separate package that include the kernel headers. > Someone else will have to help you with that, unless you know how to > use your package manager to search for kernel-related packages. If > you do know how to search, the package might have 'dev' in the name, > or 'source', or 'src'. It would certainly have something about > 'kernel' in either the name or the description. > I scrolled through a bunch of menus in the Add/Remove Software GUI interface. Strangely nothing about kernel. Lots of GNOME development stuff, gcc stuff and whatever - but I never saw the word kernel... Chris > Ian > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 02:09:32 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:09:32 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46FC5C18.7070308-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <200709272038.07309.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FC5C18.7070308@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <200709272209.35435.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On September 27, 2007 09:42:48 pm Chris Aitken wrote: > Jamon Camisso wrote: > > On September 27, 2007 07:58:42 pm Chris Aitken wrote: > >> > >> I'm in the middle of a VMWare Workstation installation (legal copy BTW). > >> I'm being asked... > >> > >> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > >> running > >> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] > >> > >> I don't know the answer to that. I tried hitting Enter to accept default > >> - didn't work. I tried typing 'y' for yes (stupid, I know). I tried > >> typing in the default (/usr/src/linux/include) - also didn't work. > > > > You'll need the kernel-devel package (yum install kernel-devel) and the > > vmware any-any patch if you're running vmware workstation 5. > > http://knihovny.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/vmware-any-any-update113.tar.gz > > Ok, I installed the any-any patch and vmware install is still asking... > > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > running > kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] > Try a reboot, I know I know. But after the kernel-devel package (or is it kernel-headers?) I've heard it sometimes makes all the difference. Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 04:43:18 2007 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:43:18 -0400 Subject: First SATA drive - not working Message-ID: <1f13df280709272143u441b6d6bj41260d49d1c7b3dd@mail.gmail.com> I recently had my /home/ hard drive crash and burn ... that will probably be the subject of another post. The good news is that my backup regime worked (mostly). So this question is about the new SATA drive I bought to replace it, but ... I've never dealt with SATA before. I bought a 500Gb WD on College Street. I have a Gigabyte motherboard with an Athlon 2700+ on it which has two SATA connectors. The drive will not register in the BIOS (or with the OS the one time I tried). Steps I've tried: - I've reseated the SATA cable at both ends (ad infinitum) - I've tried both SATA connectors - I've reseated the SATA drive power - the BIOS lets me select "IDE" or "RAID" mode for SATA, I've tried both. - the BIOS has three sets of two IDE drives, although only two PATA connectors: on the idea that the last of these are for the SATA drives (am I right?), I went in there and told it to auto-detect. No joy, although it takes much longer to say "no drive" when this new one is connected. - the drive is powering up and spinning, it can be heard and felt. - after the "press DEL to enter BIOS" message there's a SATA detection and "User mode" message: this has its own key, and I can enter it but do nothing because it detects no drives. - I have several computers, but all are older and none of the others have SATA to connect to. It seems to me that there are several possibilities: - the drive is bad - the cable is bad - the mobo SATA is bad - the drive is larger than the mobo SATA chip can handle Do I return the drive? Do I buy a PCI SATA card and cable to put in one of the other computers? Do I whack the mobo or the drive with a hammer? Suggestions are most welcome, as I'm thoroughly chumped (wait ... Is that "stumped" or "chumped?"). -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 10:05:10 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:05:10 -0400 Subject: First SATA drive - not working In-Reply-To: <1f13df280709272143u441b6d6bj41260d49d1c7b3dd-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280709272143u441b6d6bj41260d49d1c7b3dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190973910.19044.91.camel@stan64.site> In my experiences if the BIOS cant handle the drive it usually sees it and allows it to work with the max sectors, etc, that it can handle. Might be a bugger to debug if you can introduce a new element, i.e. just plug that puppy into someone else mobo that has working sata. I have experienced this many a time over the years, i.e. put in a drive, and it boots up and doesnt see it, but it takes longer so you know something happening, and its always been a pooched drive in the end. In your case it could be mobo because you have never proven it has working sata. In the BIOS there might be setting to assign PATA and SATA to ide0/ide1, different combinations, etc. I would suggest making sure your BIOS is set up correct for Sata use, and if that doesnt fix it, find another puter to plug it into, maybe on college street where you bought it. Stay away from the "whack with a hammer" fix, that just works on old tv sets :) -tl On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 00:43 -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > I recently had my /home/ hard drive crash and burn ... that will > probably be the subject of another post. The good news is that my > backup regime worked (mostly). So this question is about the new SATA > drive I bought to replace it, but ... I've never dealt with SATA > before. I bought a 500Gb WD on College Street. I have a Gigabyte > motherboard with an Athlon 2700+ on it which has two SATA connectors. > The drive will not register in the BIOS (or with the OS the one time I > tried). > > Steps I've tried: > > - I've reseated the SATA cable at both ends (ad infinitum) > - I've tried both SATA connectors > - I've reseated the SATA drive power > - the BIOS lets me select "IDE" or "RAID" mode for SATA, I've tried both. > - the BIOS has three sets of two IDE drives, although only two PATA > connectors: on the idea that the last of these are for the SATA drives > (am I right?), I went in there and told it to auto-detect. No joy, > although it takes much longer to say "no drive" when this new one is > connected. > - the drive is powering up and spinning, it can be heard and felt. > - after the "press DEL to enter BIOS" message there's a SATA detection > and "User mode" message: this has its own key, and I can enter it but > do nothing because it detects no drives. > - I have several computers, but all are older and none of the others > have SATA to connect to. > > It seems to me that there are several possibilities: > - the drive is bad > - the cable is bad > - the mobo SATA is bad > - the drive is larger than the mobo SATA chip can handle > > Do I return the drive? Do I buy a PCI SATA card and cable to put in > one of the other computers? Do I whack the mobo or the drive with a > hammer? Suggestions are most welcome, as I'm thoroughly chumped (wait > ... Is that "stumped" or "chumped?"). > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 13:59:10 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:59:10 -0400 Subject: First SATA drive - not working Message-ID: <46FD08AE.2060702@rogers.com> > It seems to me that there are several possibilities: > - the drive is bad > - the cable is bad > - the mobo SATA is bad > - the drive is larger than the mobo SATA chip can handle I think that there is a fifth possibility here that should also be considered -- that the bios should be flashed / updated to correct serious bugs like SATA drives not being properly recognized. I think that you should go to the Gigabyte site and search out the newest iteration of the board's bios and then update your board. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 14:12:13 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:12:13 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <200709272209.35435.jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <200709272038.07309.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FC5C18.7070308@chrisaitken.net> <200709272209.35435.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <46FD0BBD.80102@chrisaitken.net> Jamon Camisso wrote: > On September 27, 2007 09:42:48 pm Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Jamon Camisso wrote: >> >>> On September 27, 2007 07:58:42 pm Chris Aitken wrote: >>> >>>> I'm in the middle of a VMWare Workstation installation (legal copy BTW). >>>> I'm being asked... >>>> >>>> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your >>>> running >>>> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] >>>> >>>> I don't know the answer to that. I tried hitting Enter to accept default >>>> - didn't work. I tried typing 'y' for yes (stupid, I know). I tried >>>> typing in the default (/usr/src/linux/include) - also didn't work. >>>> >>> You'll need the kernel-devel package (yum install kernel-devel) and the >>> vmware any-any patch if you're running vmware workstation 5. >>> http://knihovny.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/vmware-any-any-update113.tar.gz >>> >> Ok, I installed the any-any patch and vmware install is still asking... >> >> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your >> running >> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] >> >> > > Try a reboot, I know I know. But after the kernel-devel package (or is it > kernel-headers?) I've heard it sometimes makes all the difference. > Okay - I cold booted. I ran the VMWare config.pl and it's still can't find the headers... Chris > Jamon > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 14:52:11 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:52:11 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46FC43B2.3050809-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925132259.GZ5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46F9585D.7010904@chrisaitken.net> <20070925194032.GB5385@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46FC43B2.3050809@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070928145211.GA21733@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 07:58:42PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > I'm in the middle of a VMWare Workstation installation (legal copy BTW). > I'm being asked... > > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > running > kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] > > I don't know the answer to that. I tried hitting Enter to accept default > - didn't work. I tried typing 'y' for yes (stupid, I know). I tried > typing in the default (/usr/src/linux/include) - also didn't work. Make sure you have the package with kernel headers installed matching your running kernel. On debian it is linux-headers-`uname -r` to match the running linux-image-`uname -r`. once installed vmware will automatically follow the link in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build to know where the headers are. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 14:53:06 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:53:06 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <200709272209.35435.jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <200709272038.07309.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FC5C18.7070308@chrisaitken.net> <200709272209.35435.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20070928145306.GB21733@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 10:09:32PM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Try a reboot, I know I know. But after the kernel-devel package (or is it > kernel-headers?) I've heard it sometimes makes all the difference. How could that make a difference? It simply can't. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 14:58:53 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:58:53 -0400 Subject: First SATA drive - not working In-Reply-To: <1f13df280709272143u441b6d6bj41260d49d1c7b3dd-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280709272143u441b6d6bj41260d49d1c7b3dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070928145852.GC21733@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 12:43:18AM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > I recently had my /home/ hard drive crash and burn ... that will > probably be the subject of another post. The good news is that my > backup regime worked (mostly). So this question is about the new SATA > drive I bought to replace it, but ... I've never dealt with SATA > before. I bought a 500Gb WD on College Street. I have a Gigabyte > motherboard with an Athlon 2700+ on it which has two SATA connectors. > The drive will not register in the BIOS (or with the OS the one time I > tried). > > Steps I've tried: > > - I've reseated the SATA cable at both ends (ad infinitum) > - I've tried both SATA connectors > - I've reseated the SATA drive power > - the BIOS lets me select "IDE" or "RAID" mode for SATA, I've tried both. > - the BIOS has three sets of two IDE drives, although only two PATA > connectors: on the idea that the last of these are for the SATA drives > (am I right?), I went in there and told it to auto-detect. No joy, > although it takes much longer to say "no drive" when this new one is > connected. Which motherboard is it? You do NOT want IDE as the mode for SATA. Gigabyte has a stupid tendancy of making you hit a function key in the bios to get to advanced settings, and they generally don't like telling you about it anywhere easy to find. > - the drive is powering up and spinning, it can be heard and felt. > - after the "press DEL to enter BIOS" message there's a SATA detection > and "User mode" message: this has its own key, and I can enter it but > do nothing because it detects no drives. > - I have several computers, but all are older and none of the others > have SATA to connect to. > > It seems to me that there are several possibilities: > - the drive is bad Not that likely, but could be. > - the cable is bad Could be. Try another one. > - the mobo SATA is bad Seems unlikely but could be. > - the drive is larger than the mobo SATA chip can handle The limit is LBA48 so not possible. Most likely is a misconfigured bios or a bad cable. > Do I return the drive? Do I buy a PCI SATA card and cable to put in > one of the other computers? Do I whack the mobo or the drive with a > hammer? Suggestions are most welcome, as I'm thoroughly chumped (wait > ... Is that "stumped" or "chumped?"). So far I have never had issues with SATA as long as I had the SATA controller set to its native mode in the bios. Would be nice to know which chipset you have on that board. Most decent computer stores should be able to at least if you bring the drive back, plug it into a test machine of theirs to tell if they can detect it or not. And if their machine can't detect it either, then they should just exchange it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 15:09:06 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:09:06 -0400 Subject: uf010728.gif (GIF Image, 720x274 pixels) Message-ID: <46FD1912.1020100@rogers.com> http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/07sep/uf010728.gif -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 15:11:21 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:11:21 -0400 Subject: User Friendly Message-ID: <46FD1999.9070308@rogers.com> Sorry for lousy title in previous version. http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/07sep/uf010728.gif -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Asus Eee (low cost notebook) pre-oder offer sighted Message-ID: The Asus Eee appears to be aimed vaguely in the direction of the OLPC XO. It is a low cost, low-feature notebook that comes with Linux. It has been touted as coming this month for US$200. It seems that you can now preorder it from Anitec (Vancouver) for C$290: http://www.anitec.ca/promotion/asus_eeepc/ Or maybe from NCIX (Vancouver) for $260. But the page has been partly taken down (it says "EMBARGOA5): http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=25881&vpn=EmbargoA5&manufacture=ASUS Apparently Asus asked them to take it down (subject to an NDA). If you actually just want a cheap notebook, this demo from TSCC is probably a better deal: http://www.thesourcecc.com/estore/Product.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=Online&product=2515753 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 17:01:29 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:01:29 -0400 Subject: Asus Eee (low cost notebook) pre-oder offer sighted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46FD3369.8090907@telly.org> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > If you actually just want a cheap notebook, this demo from TSCC is > probably a better deal: > http://www.thesourcecc.com/estore/Product.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=Online&product=2515753 > Um, that's a demo with a French Canadian keyboard, which is not to everyone's taste. An interesting comparison of the EeePC, the nanobook and the OLPC (along with the Intel Classmate and stillborn Palm Foleo) can be found at http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Ultra-cheap_sub-notebook_matrix - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gargamel.su-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 17:08:00 2007 From: gargamel.su-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (jing) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:08:00 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46FD0BBD.80102-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <200709272038.07309.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FC5C18.7070308@chrisaitken.net> <200709272209.35435.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FD0BBD.80102@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: > Okay - I cold booted. I ran the VMWare config.pl and it's still can't > find the headers... > > Chris Hi Chris, could you please remind us again what your distro is? I tried look back at the older messages in the thread but couldn't find anything. On Fedora/Redhat based machines, you can find out if your kernel dev libraries are installed by doing the command: rpm -q kernel-devel You should see something like: kernel-devel-2.6.18-1.2868.fc6 You could also see if you have the kernel sources and headers by dropping into the command line and trying: ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ Note the ticks are both the same, and the one that shares the same key as the tilde. You should see a handful of files. Try and look for a file named 'build' or 'source'. On my Fedora and Gentoo boxes, these two files are both symlinks to the kernel sources. On a side-note. I've never got SVGA to work correctly for Win98 under VMWare. YMMV. I have managed to get SVGA and high-colour to work using Win2K and up under VMWare. I don't know what the experience is of other people on the list... perhaps someone can give tips for how to ensure that sound and video work correctly for Win98 under VMWare? -Jing -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 17:50:38 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Asus Eee (low cost notebook) pre-oder offer sighted In-Reply-To: <46FD3369.8090907-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46FD3369.8090907@telly.org> Message-ID: | From: Evan Leibovitch | > http://www.thesourcecc.com/estore/Product.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=Online&product=2515753 | Um, that's a demo with a French Canadian keyboard, which is not to | everyone's taste. True. I think that the keyboard is "Bilinual Canadian" so it should work for us too. Probably good for us, in fact (like spinach). I don't know the layout. Z243.200-91 is the intellectual property of SCC. I think that there is an extra key on the home row, just to the left of the Enter key. http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/its-nit/standards/tbits05/crit05_e.asp?format=print | An interesting comparison of the EeePC, the nanobook and the OLPC (along | with the Intel Classmate and stillborn Palm Foleo) can be found at | http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Ultra-cheap_sub-notebook_matrix Nice table. Perhaps wrong. I don't know what the colour coding means. - The table says that the Eee has a camera. The Anitec ad lists the webcam on the C$330 and C$430 models, not the C$290 model. - The table lists flash on the Eee as 8G but Anitec lists it as 2G on the lower two models and 4G on the higher one. - The table says that RAM is 512M. Anitec says 256M on the lower two models. - the mass of the Eee looks nicely low. - The Eee's display has the same number of pixels as my Nokia 770. I'd like more. (My Nokia cost half of what the Anitec charges for the Eee, but that was an end-of-life bargain.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 18:13:18 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:13:18 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <200709272038.07309.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FC5C18.7070308@chrisaitken.net> <200709272209.35435.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FD0BBD.80102@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46FD443E.5020702@chrisaitken.net> jing wrote: >> Okay - I cold booted. I ran the VMWare config.pl and it's still can't >> find the headers... >> >> Chris >> > > Hi Chris, could you please remind us again what your distro is? fedora 7 > I > tried look back at the older messages in the thread but couldn't find > anything. > > On Fedora/Redhat based machines, you can find out if your kernel dev > libraries are installed by doing the command: > rpm -q kernel-devel > > You should see something like: > kernel-devel-2.6.18-1.2868.fc6 > [chris at p733 ~]$ rpm -q kernel-devel kernel-devel-2.6.22.7-85.fc7 > You could also see if you have the kernel sources and headers by > dropping into the command line and trying: > ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ > [chris at p733 ~]$ ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ build modules.dep modules.networking modules.symbols extra modules.ieee1394map modules.ofmap modules.usbmap kernel modules.inputmap modules.pcimap source modules.alias modules.isapnpmap modules.scsi updates modules.ccwmap modules.libata modules.seriomap weak-updates > Note the ticks are both the same, and the one that shares the same key > as the tilde. You should see a handful of files. Try and look for a > file named 'build' or 'source'. On my Fedora and Gentoo boxes, these > two files are both symlinks to the kernel sources. > > On a side-note. I've never got SVGA to work correctly for Win98 under > VMWare. YMMV. I have managed to get SVGA and high-colour to work > using Win2K and up under VMWare. I don't know what the experience is > of other people on the list... perhaps someone can give tips for how > to ensure that sound and video work correctly for Win98 under VMWare? > > -Jing > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 18:22:41 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:22:41 -0400 Subject: Asus Eee (low cost notebook) pre-oder offer sighted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46FD4671.2040905@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > The Asus Eee appears to be aimed vaguely in the direction of the OLPC XO. > It is a low cost, low-feature notebook that comes with Linux. It has been > touted as coming this month for US$200. > > It seems that you can now preorder it from Anitec (Vancouver) for C$290: > http://www.anitec.ca/promotion/asus_eeepc/ > > Or maybe from NCIX (Vancouver) for $260. But the page has been partly > taken down (it says "EMBARGOA5): > http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=25881&vpn=EmbargoA5&manufacture=ASUS > Apparently Asus asked them to take it down (subject to an NDA). > > Hmmm... Considering the virtual parity with the $U.S., I wonder why the significant price difference? -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 18:17:42 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:17:42 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <200709272038.07309.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FC5C18.7070308@chrisaitken.net> <200709272209.35435.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FD0BBD.80102@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46FD4546.5010603@chrisaitken.net> jing wrote: >> Okay - I cold booted. I ran the VMWare config.pl and it's still can't >> find the headers... >> >> Chris >> > > Hi Chris, could you please remind us again what your distro is? I > tried look back at the older messages in the thread but couldn't find > anything. > > On Fedora/Redhat based machines, you can find out if your kernel dev > libraries are installed by doing the command: > rpm -q kernel-devel > > You should see something like: > kernel-devel-2.6.18-1.2868.fc6 > > You could also see if you have the kernel sources and headers by > dropping into the command line and trying: > ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ > > Note the ticks are both the same, and the one that shares the same key > as the tilde. You should see a handful of files. Try and look for a > file named 'build' or 'source'. On my Fedora and Gentoo boxes, these > two files are both symlinks to the kernel sources. > I tried a couple of things - ham-fisted I guess as I don't understand this stuff... What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /lib/modules The path "/lib/modules" is an existing directory, but it does not contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as expected. What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /lib/modules/kernel The path "/lib/modules/kernel" is not an existing directory. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 18:57:17 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:57:17 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46FD443E.5020702-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <200709272038.07309.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FC5C18.7070308@chrisaitken.net> <200709272209.35435.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FD0BBD.80102@chrisaitken.net> <46FD443E.5020702@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <7ac602420709281157m48422cacp6d46b1a83d5a0c29@mail.gmail.com> On 9/28/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > jing wrote: > > You could also see if you have the kernel sources and headers by > > dropping into the command line and trying: > > ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ > > > [chris at p733 ~]$ ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ > build modules.dep modules.networking modules.symbols > extra modules.ieee1394map modules.ofmap modules.usbmap > kernel modules.inputmap modules.pcimap source > modules.alias modules.isapnpmap modules.scsi updates > modules.ccwmap modules.libata modules.seriomap weak-updates Could you try that again with ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ ? The item named 'build' inside the listed directory might be a softlink to the kernel sources. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 19:09:29 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:09:29 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <7ac602420709281157m48422cacp6d46b1a83d5a0c29-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <200709272038.07309.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FC5C18.7070308@chrisaitken.net> <200709272209.35435.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FD0BBD.80102@chrisaitken.net> <46FD443E.5020702@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281157m48422cacp6d46b1a83d5a0c29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FD5169.5020108@chrisaitken.net> Ian Petersen wrote: > On 9/28/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> jing wrote: >> >>> You could also see if you have the kernel sources and headers by >>> dropping into the command line and trying: >>> ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ >>> >>> >> [chris at p733 ~]$ ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ >> build modules.dep modules.networking modules.symbols >> extra modules.ieee1394map modules.ofmap modules.usbmap >> kernel modules.inputmap modules.pcimap source >> modules.alias modules.isapnpmap modules.scsi updates >> modules.ccwmap modules.libata modules.seriomap weak-updates >> > > Could you try that again with > > ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ > > ? > [root at p733 chris]# ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ total 1556 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 45 2007-09-13 07:49 build -> ../../../usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-08-30 13:53 extra drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 2007-09-13 07:49 kernel -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 324982 2007-09-13 07:49 modules.alias -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 69 2007-09-13 07:49 modules.ccwmap -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 289248 2007-09-13 07:49 modules.dep -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 147 2007-09-13 07:49 modules.ieee1394map -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 375 2007-09-13 07:49 modules.inputmap -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 12467 2007-09-13 07:49 modules.isapnpmap -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 492 2007-08-30 13:54 modules.libata -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1353 2007-08-30 13:54 modules.networking -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 74 2007-09-13 07:49 modules.ofmap -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 237882 2007-09-13 07:49 modules.pcimap -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 542 2007-08-30 13:54 modules.scsi -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 967 2007-09-13 07:49 modules.seriomap -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 129998 2007-09-13 07:49 modules.symbols -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 434046 2007-09-13 07:49 modules.usbmap lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2007-09-13 07:49 source -> build drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-08-30 13:53 updates drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-08-30 13:53 weak-updates > The item named 'build' inside the listed directory might be a softlink > to the kernel sources. > > Ian > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 19:15:18 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:15:18 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46FC598A.9020402-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251919m771f8cb7w671e6db9dcf33265@mail.gmail.com> <46FAB048.4040308@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709261557p5e5912f4o7f93167a92b105e9@mail.gmail.com> <46FC598A.9020402@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46FD52C6.1040507@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Tyler Aviss wrote: >> Just out of curiosity, do you have any other small games/apps that you >> could run under WINE to see if they can get online? >> >> If you wanted, maybe try installing IES4linux (it also sometimes >> installs files which may fix other wine-run installers/apps). That'll >> give you Internet Explorer, which you could run to see if your >> internet access, etc is working properly from wine >> >> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Installation:Fedora >> > Okay - I installed ies4linux and it got me a little (a /very/ little) > closer. The Battle.Net download status bar window (but tnot the status > bar itself) resized itself and even tried to build the Battle.Net > image behind - _ finally had to do a manual shutdown and I saw a > snippet of a message just as I was shutting down: "Battle.Net could > not verify the version of your application..." I'm inching closer. I tried Starcraft (in Battle.Net) again (after installing that any-any update last night). This time I got the entire Battle.Net background right away with what looked liked two empty status bars. I eventually had to do a manual log off. I got a different message this time: "There is a new version of the software available - Battle.Net requires that you use the new version". I'm skeptical though - when my son plays Starcraft online he is not told he needs the new version of the software. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 19:26:47 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:26:47 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46FD5169.5020108-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <200709272038.07309.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FC5C18.7070308@chrisaitken.net> <200709272209.35435.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FD0BBD.80102@chrisaitken.net> <46FD443E.5020702@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281157m48422cacp6d46b1a83d5a0c29@mail.gmail.com> <46FD5169.5020108@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <7ac602420709281226j78f4a58dtcd323ff72596443f@mail.gmail.com> On 9/28/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > [root at p733 chris]# ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ > total 1556 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 45 2007-09-13 07:49 build -> > ../../../usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686 You could try again, and this time provide /usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686/include as the answer to What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 19:28:28 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Asus Eee (low cost notebook) pre-oder offer sighted In-Reply-To: <46FD4671.2040905-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46FD4671.2040905@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: James Knott | Hmmm... Considering the virtual parity with the $U.S., I wonder why the | significant price difference? I'm not sure that there is a real price difference: US$250 is listed on a non-US site (note: they use the spelling "colour") which seems to be wrong about a number of detals. Perhaps that price was in some publicity bumpf from before the recent fall of the US dollar. C$290 and C$260 from different Vancouver stores. One of which has been partly taken down. So what will the real prices be from Canadian stores? What will the prices be from US stores? Too early to tell apparently. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 19:32:55 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:32:55 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <7ac602420709281226j78f4a58dtcd323ff72596443f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <200709272038.07309.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FC5C18.7070308@chrisaitken.net> <200709272209.35435.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FD0BBD.80102@chrisaitken.net> <46FD443E.5020702@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281157m48422cacp6d46b1a83d5a0c29@mail.gmail.com> <46FD5169.5020108@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281226j78f4a58dtcd323ff72596443f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FD56E7.2070105@chrisaitken.net> Ian Petersen wrote: > On 9/28/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> [root at p733 chris]# ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ >> total 1556 >> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 45 2007-09-13 07:49 build -> >> ../../../usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686 >> > > You could try again, and this time provide > > /usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686/include > > as the answer to > > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] > Okay, I tried that... What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686/include The path "/usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686/include" is not an existing directory. Then I used the File Brwoser to see if this directory exists. It doesn't. So I changed the path to reflect what is actually there... What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.7-85.fc7-i686/include The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.22.7-85.fc7) does not match your running kernel (version 2.6.22.5-76.fc7). Even if the module were to compile successfully, it would not load into the running kernel. So the kernel module doesn't match the running kernel? Chris > Ian > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 19:48:46 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:48:46 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46FD56E7.2070105-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281226j78f4a58dtcd323ff72596443f@mail.gmail.com> <46FD56E7.2070105@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <200709281548.46797.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On September 28, 2007 03:32:55 pm Chris Aitken wrote: > Ian Petersen wrote: > > On 9/28/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> [root at p733 chris]# ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ > >> total 1556 > >> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 45 2007-09-13 07:49 build -> > >> ../../../usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686 > > > > You could try again, and this time provide > > > > /usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686/include > > > > as the answer to > > > > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > > running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] > > Okay, I tried that... > > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > running > kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] > /usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686/include > > The path "/usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686/include" is not an existing > directory. > > Then I used the File Brwoser to see if this directory exists. It > doesn't. So I changed the path to reflect what is actually there... > > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > running > kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] > /usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.7-85.fc7-i686/include > > The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.22.7-85.fc7) does not match > your > running kernel (version 2.6.22.5-76.fc7). Even if the module were to > compile > successfully, it would not load into the running kernel. > > So the kernel module doesn't match the running kernel? Try http://fedorasolved.org/server-solutions/vmserver-install Also, ask around on the #fedora channel on irc.freenode.net. Careful there, you'll want to idle and get a feel for things as there are some real arrogant people there. But the quality of help is generally very good. Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 19:56:06 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:56:06 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46FD56E7.2070105-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <46FC5C18.7070308@chrisaitken.net> <200709272209.35435.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FD0BBD.80102@chrisaitken.net> <46FD443E.5020702@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281157m48422cacp6d46b1a83d5a0c29@mail.gmail.com> <46FD5169.5020108@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281226j78f4a58dtcd323ff72596443f@mail.gmail.com> <46FD56E7.2070105@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <7ac602420709281256q13071465p5613b487d45a08b2@mail.gmail.com> On 9/28/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.22.7-85.fc7) does not match > your > running kernel (version 2.6.22.5-76.fc7). Even if the module were to > compile > successfully, it would not load into the running kernel. > > So the kernel module doesn't match the running kernel? Nope. You're running kernel version 2.6.22.5-76-fc7, but the sources that you installed are for version 2.6.22.5-85.fc7. (ie. you're running ...76... but you've got the source to ...85....) There's two options, as I see it: 1) update your kernel to 2.6.22.5-85-fc7 2) downgrade the kernel-devel package to 2.6.22.5-76-fc7 I'd probably choose option 1, but if your system is running fine, there's probably no need to upgrade the kernel. Either way, I don't know what commands you need to issue because I run Gentoo, not Fedora. If no one here offers up the solution, the answer is probably in man rpm. Ian PS note that, if you choose option 1, updating the kernel requires a reboot to switch from the old kernel to the new one. -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 20:04:49 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:04:49 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <7ac602420709281256q13071465p5613b487d45a08b2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <46FC5C18.7070308@chrisaitken.net> <200709272209.35435.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FD0BBD.80102@chrisaitken.net> <46FD443E.5020702@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281157m48422cacp6d46b1a83d5a0c29@mail.gmail.com> <46FD5169.5020108@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281226j78f4a58dtcd323ff72596443f@mail.gmail.com> <46FD56E7.2070105@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281256q13071465p5613b487d45a08b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FD5E61.3030101@chrisaitken.net> Ian Petersen wrote: > On 9/28/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.22.7-85.fc7) does not match >> your >> running kernel (version 2.6.22.5-76.fc7). Even if the module were to >> compile >> successfully, it would not load into the running kernel. >> >> So the kernel module doesn't match the running kernel? >> > > Nope. You're running kernel version 2.6.22.5-76-fc7, but the sources > that you installed are for version 2.6.22.5-85.fc7. (ie. you're > running ...76... but you've got the source to ...85....) > > There's two options, as I see it: > > 1) update your kernel to 2.6.22.5-85-fc7 > 2) downgrade the kernel-devel package to 2.6.22.5-76-fc7 > > I'd probably choose option 1, but if your system is running fine, > there's probably no need to upgrade the kernel. Either way, I don't > know what commands you need to issue because I run Gentoo, not Fedora. > If no one here offers up the solution, the answer is probably in man > rpm. > yum -downgrade kernel-devel-2.6.22.5-76-fc7? :) Chris > Ian > > PS note that, if you choose option 1, updating the kernel requires a > reboot to switch from the old kernel to the new one. > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 20:15:10 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:15:10 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <7ac602420709281256q13071465p5613b487d45a08b2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <46FC5C18.7070308@chrisaitken.net> <200709272209.35435.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FD0BBD.80102@chrisaitken.net> <46FD443E.5020702@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281157m48422cacp6d46b1a83d5a0c29@mail.gmail.com> <46FD5169.5020108@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281226j78f4a58dtcd323ff72596443f@mail.gmail.com> <46FD56E7.2070105@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281256q13071465p5613b487d45a08b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FD60CE.1070705@chrisaitken.net> Ian Petersen wrote: > On 9/28/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.22.7-85.fc7) does not match >> your >> running kernel (version 2.6.22.5-76.fc7). Even if the module were to >> compile >> successfully, it would not load into the running kernel. >> >> So the kernel module doesn't match the running kernel? >> > > Nope. You're running kernel version 2.6.22.5-76-fc7, but the sources > that you installed are for version 2.6.22.5-85.fc7. (ie. you're > running ...76... but you've got the source to ...85....) > > There's two options, as I see it: > > 1) update your kernel to 2.6.22.5-85-fc7 > 2) downgrade the kernel-devel package to 2.6.22.5-76-fc7 > I tried that - it didn't work - and I don't see any option in yum like replace (or somesuch) so that it will replace existing version (whether upgrade or downgrade)... [root at p733 chris]# yum install kernel-devel-2.6.22.5-76.fc7 Setting up Install Process Parsing package install arguments Nothing to do [root at p733 chris]# yum --help Usage: yum [options] < grouplist, localinstall, groupinfo, localupdate, resolvedep, erase, deplist, groupremove, makecache, upgrade, provides, shell, install, whatprovides, groupinstall, update, repolist, groupupdate, info, search, check-update, list, remove, clean, grouperase > Options: -h, --help show this help message and exit -t, --tolerant be tolerant of errors -C run entirely from cache, don't update cache -c [config file] config file location -R [minutes] maximum command wait time -d [debug level] debugging output level -e [error level] error output level -q, --quiet quiet operation -v, --verbose verbose operation -y answer yes for all questions --version show Yum version and exit --installroot=[path] set install root --enablerepo=[repo] enable one or more repositories (wildcards allowed) --disablerepo=[repo] disable one or more repositories (wildcards allowed) -x [package], --exclude=[package] exclude package(s) by name or glob --obsoletes enable obsoletes processing during updates --noplugins disable Yum plugins --nogpgcheck disable gpg signature checking --disableplugin=[plugin] disable plugins by name [root at p733 chris]# Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 28 20:34:42 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:34:42 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46FD60CE.1070705-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <46FD0BBD.80102@chrisaitken.net> <46FD443E.5020702@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281157m48422cacp6d46b1a83d5a0c29@mail.gmail.com> <46FD5169.5020108@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281226j78f4a58dtcd323ff72596443f@mail.gmail.com> <46FD56E7.2070105@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281256q13071465p5613b487d45a08b2@mail.gmail.com> <46FD60CE.1070705@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <7ac602420709281334q58fe2031ld617897227103716@mail.gmail.com> On 9/28/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > [root at p733 chris]# yum install kernel-devel-2.6.22.5-76.fc7 > Setting up Install Process > Parsing package install arguments > Nothing to do Maybe it thinks there's nothing to do because there's already a higher version of the same package installed. You could try removing kernel-devel, and then install the particular version that you need. No clue if it'll actually work. You could also try upgrading the kernel itself, instead of mucking about with kernel headers. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 29 01:55:49 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:55:49 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <200709281548.46797.jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281226j78f4a58dtcd323ff72596443f@mail.gmail.com> <46FD56E7.2070105@chrisaitken.net> <200709281548.46797.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <46FDB0A5.7000408@chrisaitken.net> Jamon Camisso wrote: > On September 28, 2007 03:32:55 pm Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Ian Petersen wrote: >> >>> On 9/28/07, Chris Aitken wrote: >>> >>>> [root at p733 chris]# ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ >>>> total 1556 >>>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 45 2007-09-13 07:49 build -> >>>> ../../../usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686 >>>> >>> You could try again, and this time provide >>> >>> /usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686/include >>> >>> as the answer to >>> >>> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your >>> running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] >>> >> Okay, I tried that... >> >> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your >> running >> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] >> /usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686/include >> >> The path "/usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686/include" is not an existing >> directory. >> >> Then I used the File Brwoser to see if this directory exists. It >> doesn't. So I changed the path to reflect what is actually there... >> >> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your >> running >> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] >> /usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.7-85.fc7-i686/include >> >> The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.22.7-85.fc7) does not match >> your >> running kernel (version 2.6.22.5-76.fc7). Even if the module were to >> compile >> successfully, it would not load into the running kernel. >> >> So the kernel module doesn't match the running kernel? >> > > Try http://fedorasolved.org/server-solutions/vmserver-install > Okay, I worked through about half of that. I think the last step (9) i did was su -c 'yum -y install kernel-devel' I think I then did a cold boot. I ran the vmware-config.pol and this time it was satisfied with the path to the headers. The vmware installation completed successfully. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 29 02:17:01 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:17:01 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <20070926033417.0858b330-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <20070925122153.22b9f732@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <46F95A63.1030204@chrisaitken.net> <3a97ef0709251555p43a2af0tbbe7b2fe5d441cf7@mail.gmail.com> <46F9A82D.8040900@chrisaitken.net> <20070926033417.0858b330@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <46FDB59D.3020604@chrisaitken.net> JoeHill wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > > >> Tyler Aviss wrote: >> >> >> >>> I've never used wine - I'm reading the man page now. It looks like I > >>> just point wine to the executable of Starcraft.. >>> >>> Assuming the copy-protection issues can be ignored. Yeah, just pop in >>> the CD and have wine run setup.exe or whatever. >>> >> Well, I'm getting somewhere. I popped in the CD, nautilus displayed its >> contents, I right-clicked setup.exe, chose "Open with Wine Windows >> Emulator", installed Starcraft. I had my son try it out. He showed me >> that 'Single Player' is working, but when he goes to 'Multi-Player' > >> 'Battle.Net a little box popped up but minus the status bar which shows >> it is downloading stuff. This box (which does not give us the status >> bar) then disappears. Isn't .Net an MS technology - would it be stupid >> to expect it to work in linux? >> > > This page might help, not sure if this is the right version of Starcraft: > > http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=149 > I see Starcraft Broodwar there but no Starcraft. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 29 02:24:35 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:24:35 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46FDB0A5.7000408-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281226j78f4a58dtcd323ff72596443f@mail.gmail.com> <46FD56E7.2070105@chrisaitken.net> <200709281548.46797.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FDB0A5.7000408@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46FDB763.8030009@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Jamon Camisso wrote: >> On September 28, 2007 03:32:55 pm Chris Aitken wrote: >> >>> Ian Petersen wrote: >>> >>>> On 9/28/07, Chris Aitken wrote: >>>> >>>>> [root at p733 chris]# ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ >>>>> total 1556 >>>>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 45 2007-09-13 07:49 build -> >>>>> ../../../usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686 >>>>> >>>> You could try again, and this time provide >>>> >>>> /usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686/include >>>> >>>> as the answer to >>>> >>>> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match >>>> your >>>> running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] >>>> >>> Okay, I tried that... >>> >>> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your >>> running >>> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] >>> /usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686/include >>> >>> The path "/usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686/include" is not an >>> existing >>> directory. >>> >>> Then I used the File Brwoser to see if this directory exists. It >>> doesn't. So I changed the path to reflect what is actually there... >>> >>> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your >>> running >>> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] >>> /usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.7-85.fc7-i686/include >>> >>> The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.22.7-85.fc7) does not >>> match >>> your >>> running kernel (version 2.6.22.5-76.fc7). Even if the module were to >>> compile >>> successfully, it would not load into the running kernel. >>> >>> So the kernel module doesn't match the running kernel? >>> >> >> Try http://fedorasolved.org/server-solutions/vmserver-install >> > Okay, I worked through about half of that. I think the last step (9) i > did was > > su -c 'yum -y install kernel-devel' > > I think I then did a cold boot. I ran the vmware-config.pol and this > time it was satisfied with the path to the headers. The vmware > installation completed successfully. Aah, now I remember the trouble I had with installing W98SE in vmware - it doesn't see my cdrom drive, so I make an image file, it sees that but then the installation freezes at the message, "Please wait while Setup initializes. Scanning system registry... Windows Setup needs [however many] bytes of..." Has anyone seen this? Or are we getting too far into Windows now for me to be asking help here? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 29 19:33:26 2007 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:33:26 -0400 Subject: First SATA drive - not working In-Reply-To: <20070928145852.GC21733-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280709272143u441b6d6bj41260d49d1c7b3dd@mail.gmail.com> <20070928145852.GC21733@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1f13df280709291233h4fd23789j39ca20e3d68b2f1e@mail.gmail.com> On 9/28/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 12:43:18AM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > > I recently had my /home/ hard drive crash and burn ... that will > > probably be the subject of another post. The good news is that my > > backup regime worked (mostly). So this question is about the new SATA > > drive I bought to replace it, but ... I've never dealt with SATA > > before. I bought a 500Gb WD on College Street. I have a Gigabyte > > motherboard with an Athlon 2700+ on it which has two SATA connectors. > > The drive will not register in the BIOS (or with the OS the one time I > > tried). > > > > Steps I've tried: > > > > - I've reseated the SATA cable at both ends (ad infinitum) > > - I've tried both SATA connectors > > - I've reseated the SATA drive power > > - the BIOS lets me select "IDE" or "RAID" mode for SATA, I've tried both. > > - the BIOS has three sets of two IDE drives, although only two PATA > > connectors: on the idea that the last of these are for the SATA drives > > (am I right?), I went in there and told it to auto-detect. No joy, > > although it takes much longer to say "no drive" when this new one is > > connected. > > Which motherboard is it? > > You do NOT want IDE as the mode for SATA. > > Gigabyte has a stupid tendancy of making you hit a function key in the > bios to get to advanced settings, and they generally don't like telling > you about it anywhere easy to find. > > > - the drive is powering up and spinning, it can be heard and felt. > > - after the "press DEL to enter BIOS" message there's a SATA detection > > and "User mode" message: this has its own key, and I can enter it but > > do nothing because it detects no drives. > > - I have several computers, but all are older and none of the others > > have SATA to connect to. > > > > It seems to me that there are several possibilities: > > - the drive is bad > > Not that likely, but could be. > > > - the cable is bad > > Could be. Try another one. > > > - the mobo SATA is bad > > Seems unlikely but could be. > > > - the drive is larger than the mobo SATA chip can handle > > The limit is LBA48 so not possible. > > Most likely is a misconfigured bios or a bad cable. > > > Do I return the drive? Do I buy a PCI SATA card and cable to put in > > one of the other computers? Do I whack the mobo or the drive with a > > hammer? Suggestions are most welcome, as I'm thoroughly chumped (wait > > ... Is that "stumped" or "chumped?"). > > So far I have never had issues with SATA as long as I had the SATA > controller set to its native mode in the bios. Would be nice to know > which chipset you have on that board. > > Most decent computer stores should be able to at least if you bring the > drive back, plug it into a test machine of theirs to tell if they can > detect it or not. And if their machine can't detect it either, then > they should just exchange it. Thanks to everyone who posted suggestions. I tried another cable, no joy. Today I took the drive back and the store showed that the drive itself is fine. So we're down to a very limited number of options. When I told the store guy the motherboard I'm using (Gigabyte 7VT600-P-RZ - and I do have the most recent BIOS) he said that he'd worked with that generation of Gigabytes and the drive WON'T be recognized by the BIOS: you have to boot into the OS and load the right drivers (he uses only Windows). So I went home and put the disk back in the computer and booted Debian testing kernel 2.6.21-2-k7 and ... no luck. The chipset is apparently the VIA Apollo KT600, and the sata_via kernel module is loading, but I don't see a new drive. I don't even know how it would be designated ... Is it /dev/sd? ? Is there any program I should run? I don't see anything that looks new or different in /var/log/messages , although I have to admit I'm not an expert and I didn't use a fine tooth comb, but ... there doesn't appear to be a new drive. Thanks for the help so far. Anyone got further ideas? -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 29 19:53:38 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:53:38 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46F8609B.1060501-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <46F8609B.1060501@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <46FEAD42.8070907@chrisaitken.net> Madison Kelly wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: >> I want to put linux on my son's computer. The bottom line is that he >> be able to play Starcraft. I know the things out there for Windows >> programs include winex (incl. cedega transgaming), CodeWeavers, >> Win4Lin and VMWare. I don't mind paying for all this to work. >> Although I was proud to be able to get my emu 1212 m pci soundcard >> working under linux I think this would be a harder task (maybe beyond >> me). Some of these things (winex et al.) I believe are kind of in bed >> with a couple of OSs (linspire? SuSE?). >> >> I have read some unfavourable comments about linspire/cedega that you >> have to pay, pay, pay, for a questionable product (not to mention >> it's not GPL correct). Another sticking point for my son is whether >> or not he'll be able to play Startcraft /online./ He says there are >> extra software bits to download for that - he's assuming these have >> not been ported to linux. Cedega guarantees Starcraft but they don't >> mention playing online. I've been able to do most things I've set out >> to do on linux (in large part by the grace of this mailing list) but >> what are my chances of success with this project? >> >> Chris > > I got World Of Warcraft (big MMORPG) today under Ubuntu following this > HowTo: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=312482&highlight=low+memory > > Replace the WoW executables with Starcraft and you should be good to > go. I did have to tweak my Xorg.conf file because of an "issue" with > this particular card, but otherwise it's fine, and it is online play. Is it safe to do this on fedora 7 say, just by replacing feisty (or whatever the ubuntu version) with 'moonshine'? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 30 00:05:07 2007 From: hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Henry de Valence) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:05:07 -0400 Subject: Learning to Program Message-ID: <200709292005.07693.hdevalence@gmail.com> Hi. I'm 15, and I started using Linux last February, and haven't looked back. I started with Ubuntu, but then I switched to Kubuntu. Right now I'm running Gutsy Gibbon, because Fiesty doesn't support my video card. Anyways, I know a bit about Java and C++ (I have the basic stuff about datatypes, control structures, functions and recursion, etc, and some OOP stuff.) What I know I learned partly by myself and partly in a summer course I took (the Grade 11 CS course, but according to my teacher we went beyond what we were supposed to). Anyways, I'm looking for a good, comprehensive guide to learning about programming GUI applications for KDE using QT, and I figured this would be a good place to ask. Ideally, I'd like something that I can do a bit at a time, because I have homework and other stuff. The other thing is that I'd like to learn programming for KDE 4 applications, but right now I'm running 7.10, which uses KDE 3.5. I thought this would be a good place to ask for suggestions. Harry de Valence -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 29 20:05:23 2007 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:05:23 -0400 Subject: Asus Eee (low cost notebook) pre-oder offer sighted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070929160523.ac27dea7.hgibson@eol.ca> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:59:38 -0400 (EDT) "D. Hugh Redelmeier" wrote: > The Asus Eee appears to be aimed vaguely in the direction of the OLPC XO. > It is a low cost, low-feature notebook that comes with Linux. It has been > touted as coming this month for US$200. I have an Acer Aspire 3620 that came with Linux. The Linux turned out to be something called Linpus Linux, and it was a minimal install with nothing more than a command line. I am assuming I avoided the Microsoft tax, but otherwise, I had to install an appropriate, up to date Linux distribution. Are we talking Linux, as in a kernal, or GNU/Linux, as in a functioal desktop? -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 30 01:29:17 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:29:17 -0400 Subject: starcraft In-Reply-To: <46FDB763.8030009-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46F8526D.8040208@chrisaitken.net> <7ac602420709281226j78f4a58dtcd323ff72596443f@mail.gmail.com> <46FD56E7.2070105@chrisaitken.net> <200709281548.46797.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <46FDB0A5.7000408@chrisaitken.net> <46FDB763.8030009@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46FEFBED.9080605@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: >> Jamon Camisso wrote: >>> On September 28, 2007 03:32:55 pm Chris Aitken wrote: >>> >>>> Ian Petersen wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 9/28/07, Chris Aitken wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> [root at p733 chris]# ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ >>>>>> total 1556 >>>>>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 45 2007-09-13 07:49 build -> >>>>>> ../../../usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686 >>>>>> >>>>> You could try again, and this time provide >>>>> >>>>> /usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686/include >>>>> >>>>> as the answer to >>>>> >>>>> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match >>>>> your >>>>> running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] >>>>> >>>> Okay, I tried that... >>>> >>>> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match >>>> your >>>> running >>>> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] >>>> /usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686/include >>>> >>>> The path "/usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.5-76.fc7-i686/include" is not an >>>> existing >>>> directory. >>>> >>>> Then I used the File Brwoser to see if this directory exists. It >>>> doesn't. So I changed the path to reflect what is actually there... >>>> >>>> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match >>>> your >>>> running >>>> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] >>>> /usr/src/kernels/2.6.22.7-85.fc7-i686/include >>>> >>>> The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.22.7-85.fc7) does not >>>> match >>>> your >>>> running kernel (version 2.6.22.5-76.fc7). Even if the module were to >>>> compile >>>> successfully, it would not load into the running kernel. >>>> >>>> So the kernel module doesn't match the running kernel? >>>> >>> >>> Try http://fedorasolved.org/server-solutions/vmserver-install >>> >> Okay, I worked through about half of that. I think the last step (9) >> i did was >> >> su -c 'yum -y install kernel-devel' >> >> I think I then did a cold boot. I ran the vmware-config.pol and this >> time it was satisfied with the path to the headers. The vmware >> installation completed successfully. > Aah, now I remember the trouble I had with installing W98SE in vmware > - it doesn't see my cdrom drive, so I make an image file, it sees that > but then the installation freezes at the message, "Please wait while > Setup initializes. Scanning system registry... Windows Setup needs > [however many] bytes of..." > > Has anyone seen this? Or are we getting too far into Windows now for > me to be asking help here? I'm trying to get on the Internet in the W98SE guest. It's not recognizing the PCI controller. WHich is, I guess why it's not finding the correct NIC, which means I can't get onto the Internet to try Starcraft n Battle.Net, which is the whole point of all of this. I don't know why the guest won't just use the perfectly- working NIC in the linux host. I used to have a Hardware Browser in fedora 7. It's gone. I remember when I did the clean install I had too many panels and panel sub-menus. I found a way to consolidate them but I guess, in retrospect, I /did/ lose a couple of things. One of them was the Hardware Browser. I'm hoping to go in there, find the PCI controller, then tell W98SE guest that that is the controller (and grab the driver from the Internet if neccesary). > > Chris > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 30 01:39:17 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:39:17 -0400 Subject: Learning to Program Message-ID: <46FEFE45.4070005@rogers.com> Henry de Valence wrote: > Anyways, I'm looking for a good, comprehensive guide to learning about > programming GUI applications for KDE using QT, and I figured this would be a > good place to ask. Ideally, I'd like something that I can do a bit at a time, > because I have homework and other stuff. Here's a place to start. The I Can Program site offers a number of linux oriented programming courses that are free of charge, with the proviso that students will make a donation to the Cancer Society (you choose the amount) upon completion of the course. http://www.icanprogram.com/nofeecourses.html I'm sure that other people on this list will have other ideas for you as well. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 30 04:37:22 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:37:22 -0400 Subject: Learning to Program In-Reply-To: <200709292005.07693.hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200709292005.07693.hdevalence@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/29/07, Henry de Valence wrote: > Hi. I'm 15, and I started using Linux last February, and haven't looked back. > I started with Ubuntu, but then I switched to Kubuntu. Right now I'm running > Gutsy Gibbon, because Fiesty doesn't support my video card. Anyways, I know a > bit about Java and C++ (I have the basic stuff about datatypes, control > structures, functions and recursion, etc, and some OOP stuff.) What I know I > learned partly by myself and partly in a summer course I took (the Grade 11 > CS course, but according to my teacher we went beyond what we were supposed > to). > > Anyways, I'm looking for a good, comprehensive guide to learning about > programming GUI applications for KDE using QT, and I figured this would be a > good place to ask. Ideally, I'd like something that I can do a bit at a time, > because I have homework and other stuff. The other thing is that I'd like to > learn programming for KDE 4 applications, but right now I'm running 7.10, > which uses KDE 3.5. I thought this would be a good place to ask for > suggestions. A search at Amazon.ca for "kde development" finds 5 books; "qt programming" finds 14. I'm not sure which of those would be considered "best;" I actually find KDE to not be too much to my taste, so it's not of much direct interest to me. Some of the QT books were written by seminal authors that work for Troll Tech, and could be considered pretty authoritative in that regard. But that wouldn't draw you as much into the extra services provided by additional KDE libraries. So it's not obvious what metrics to prefer... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 30 12:32:49 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:32:49 -0400 Subject: Encrypted IRC service Message-ID: <20070930123249.GA14803@watson-wilson.ca> Is it possible to run an IRC server that can encrypt client/server traffic? Which IRC servers and clients support encryption? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 15 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 30 14:47:29 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:47:29 -0400 Subject: Encrypted IRC service In-Reply-To: <20070930123249.GA14803-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070930123249.GA14803@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <200709301047.33654.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On September 30, 2007 08:32:49 am Neil Watson wrote: > Is it possible to run an IRC server that can encrypt client/server > traffic? Which IRC servers and clients support encryption? Try Silc (silcnet.org). I've been using it with friends for a few months now on our own server & channels. You can't connect to any irc server, the silc network is its own thing, but the number of nodes is growing, and you can always just set it up privately for you and your clients. Everything is encrypted using public/private keys automatically, including server to server communication for building up the network. The silc client itself supports most of the basic irssi functionality, like private messages, modes, ops etc. There are pidgin and kopete plugins, and whatever the big irc gui on mac is, it has a plugin too. Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 30 15:45:46 2007 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:45:46 -0400 Subject: Learning to Program In-Reply-To: <200709292005.07693.hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200709292005.07693.hdevalence@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070930154546.GA7157@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 08:05:07PM -0400, Henry de Valence wrote: > Hi. I'm 15, and I started using Linux last February, and haven't looked back. > I started with Ubuntu, but then I switched to Kubuntu. Right now I'm running > Gutsy Gibbon, because Fiesty doesn't support my video card. Anyways, I know a > bit about Java and C++ (I have the basic stuff about datatypes, control > structures, functions and recursion, etc, and some OOP stuff.) What I know I > learned partly by myself and partly in a summer course I took (the Grade 11 > CS course, but according to my teacher we went beyond what we were supposed > to). > > Anyways, I'm looking for a good, comprehensive guide to learning about > programming GUI applications for KDE using QT, and I figured this would be a > good place to ask. Ideally, I'd like something that I can do a bit at a time, > because I have homework and other stuff. The other thing is that I'd like to > learn programming for KDE 4 applications, but right now I'm running 7.10, > which uses KDE 3.5. I thought this would be a good place to ask for > suggestions. Try Python. It's good intro for beginner, and it doesn't corrupt your thinking if you want to move beyond. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 30 16:18:09 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:18:09 -0400 Subject: [SOLVED] Problems with sound In-Reply-To: <20070921180124.GA8072-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20070921180124.GA8072@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20070930161809.GA13795@waltdnes.org> After the umpteenth repetition of kernel-rebuild/reboot/alsaconf, alsa has mysteriously started working again (mpg123, mplayer, audacious, etc). The only thing that I did differently was to... - remove kernel-based alsa support entirely (not even built as a module) in favour of alsa-driver and rebooted. - when I rebuilt the kernel with alsa support and re-booted, it worked gcc is "economical" in that it only rebuilds what is necessary. I assume that it was including some previous-version stuff rather than overwriting it with new code. Totally removing alsa support may have cleaned it out, and allowed for a fresh start when building it the next time. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 30 19:13:29 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:13:29 -0400 Subject: Encrypted IRC service In-Reply-To: <20070930123249.GA14803-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070930123249.GA14803@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On 9/30/07, Neil Watson wrote: > Is it possible to run an IRC server that can encrypt client/server > traffic? Which IRC servers and clients support encryption? The Jabber protocol is designed for this, although it's intended more for instant-messaging-like systems, as opposed to the more broadcast-like behaviour of IRC. There something incompatible with trying to combine secrecy with broadcast; keeping broadcasts secret does not entirely make sense. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 30 23:19:28 2007 From: david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (David Payne) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:19:28 -0300 Subject: Encrypted IRC service In-Reply-To: References: <20070930123249.GA14803@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20070930231927.GA7177@payneful.ca> On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 03:13:29PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > There something incompatible with trying to combine secrecy with > broadcast; keeping broadcasts secret does not entirely make sense. > There is 2 times when using IRC that it makes sense to keep your messages secret. When sending any type of password to the server, for various nickserv services or for channels that have a password. The other is if you are sending a private message to another person, you may want that to remain a secret. David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris.trismegistus-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 30 23:42:45 2007 From: chris.trismegistus-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Chris McDermott) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:42:45 -0400 Subject: Encrypted IRC service In-Reply-To: <20070930231927.GA7177-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20070930123249.GA14803@watson-wilson.ca> <20070930231927.GA7177@payneful.ca> Message-ID: > There is 2 times when using IRC that it makes sense to keep > your messages secret. When sending any type of password to > the server, for various nickserv services or for channels > that have a password. The other is if you are sending a > private message to another person, you may want that to > remain a secret. 3) when controlling an international botnet with a (distributed) computing potential that rivals a supercomputer. Not that I'd know anything about that... :) Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 26 17:32:34 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:32:34 -0400 Subject: OT contracting and incorporation In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0709251423o30ec922cgad65bf06abf1183e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070925204141.GK19126@watson-wilson.ca> <99a6c38f0709251423o30ec922cgad65bf06abf1183e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070926133234.3750fffe@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Scott Elcomb wrote: > Kinda hard to make a board out of one person, isn't it? ...voting on stuff goes real smooth, though. All in favour of the company buying stuff? Aye! All opposed? ... Yay! I win again! -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: Pardon me, brother. Care to donate to the anti-mugging you fund? 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