yum

[Chris Aitken]

D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> | From: Chris Aitken <chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org>
> | 
> | I've hit a roadblock with trying to get iPod nano working under fedora 7.
>
> I've never tried to get an iPod Nano to work on Linux.  I don't have a
> Nano.  They do look cute but it appears as if Apple doesn't even want
> them to work except with iTunes.
>
> I did get a Creative Zen V working under FC7 (x86-64).  I chose to try
> Gnomad2.  I ended up having to fix a number of bugs in that program
> (portability bugs -- it worked in 32-bit mode).  I now have CVS commit
> permission on that project.  This is not the kind of adventure I
> recommend to you with your level of luck and experience.  I don't even
> recommend it to me.
>   
I guess I'm stuck with the nano now. I can't take it back and say, "I 
can't get it to work in fedora 7." It clearly states on the package it's 
for Mac and the latest MS OSs.
> One of the great things with Linux is that you can get anything to
> work with enough time.  But it is important to figure out when to cut
> and run or all your time gets eaten.
>   
Yeah, that's a tough one for me. I never did get Starcraft playing in 
full screen in vmware (or downloading the updates to play online in 
wine). I haven't been able to get the scanner function of my hp psc 1610 
working. The iPod troubleshoot is in the works. Other than that, by the 
grace of you guys, I have been able to get everything else working.
> Having said that, I'm pretty sure that getting the Nano working on FC7
> should be easy.
>   
Well, amarok is installed now - I hope I'm on my way.
> | The
> | roadblock is that yum is broken. It points to repositories that don't work.
>
> Out-of-the-box, that isn't true.  Perhaps you've made some changes
> that have made it true.
>   
Probably. Not by directly adding files to - or editing files in -  
/etc/yum.repos.d, but I'm sure I did something funky by thrashing about.
> Have you kept track of all your changes?  
No. I keep emails from tlug that point to solutions so I can use them 
again. But keep track of my changes...no. I'll start now, though.
> That is one of the most
> important things that you learn by experience: always keep track of
> what you've done in a way that lets you undo it.
>   
Okay.
> I use a source code control system to keep track of my config file
> evolution.  This works less well in the world of GUI config tools.
> And for you it would probably take a considerable amount of time to
> learn about, say, rcs.
>   
True.
> | I
> | can't ping the repositories - so it's not just yum - I guess those
> | repositories have been retired.
>
> Normally yum works from a list of mirrors and when one fails, it moves
> to the next.  So what you've described should not happen with a stock
> setup.
>
> I don't know if livna has mirrors.  It might be a bottleneck (but it
> isn't a stock repository).
>
> If I remember correctly, yum tells you what the repository is when it
> runs into trouble.  You should tell us this in your problem report.
>   
Okay.
> | I've asked several times in the iPod thread if
> | there is a working repository and how I can point yum to it. I've had no
> | response, so I'm starting a thread to ge my yum working.
>
> Big problems need to be broken down into little ones. 
Okay.
>  Certainly
> getting yum to work for you should be an important early step.
>
> | I saw a post from someone when I was googling this subject. He got sick of yum
> | breaking in rh/fedora and switched to debian. The post was entitled 'apt-get
> | delete fedora, apt-get install debian'. For all the things I want to do, have
> | I outgrown rh/fedora?
>
> Unlikely.  But it is your choice.
>   
Okay. I've been thinking of installing an OS from the debian side of 
things on my daughter's computer. She's the one that is going to have 
the iPod. That way I could try a debian distro on a non-production 
computer and see if I am smitten (as Lennart and many others are). I 
don't want to give up fedora lightly - it's on my wife's computer and my 
computer - they are production machines for our business.
> Fedora itself is fairly careful not to include things made
> questionable by the US (and other) laws on "Intellectual Property".
> That means that MP3 stuff cannot be in Fedora.
>   
Got it.
> Livna is the escape-hatch: it includes lots of things with
> questionable legal properties.  But it isn't part of Fedora proper and
> you pay a price for that.
>   
The price being a configuration nightmare and bugs?
> If you want this stuff to "just work", Ubuntu and Linspire seem to be
> willing to push the legal envelope and hence makes things a bit easier
> for users.
>   
Funny - I have considered both of those. Are either/both from the debian 
side of things. I'm still not clear on the difference - is what I call 
'rh/fedora type distros' really called sysV OSs? And what do you call 
debian-type OSs?
> | If I can get yum fixed I would rather stick with fedora. I have managed (with
> | your help) to get my system doing everything else I want it to
> | (ripping/burning to CD, recording in audacity, configured emu1212-m pci
> | soundcard, printing/printing across network, etc.).
>
> That is promising.
>
> | I get it that you guys are working for nothing - and I have no doubt that I'm
> | one of the more frustrating guys to help. Thank you.
>
> Your problem reports are not complete enough for us to make good
> guesses as to what is going on.
>   
Okay.
> Furthermore there are hints that you are doing random and scary
> configuration changes. 
: / (sheepish smiley)
>  A complete report of all changes is needed so
> that we can guess the state of your system.  Certainly what you do
> report suggests to me that you've broken it in some creative ways.
>   
: /
> Example: Lennart, a good diagnostician, is guessing that the problem
> is that Fedora is crap.  If you gave him more relevant information, he
> wouldn't make what I assume is a wild and inaccurate guess.
>   
I see.
> This message has taken me perhaps half an hour to compose.
Thank you for your time and effort.
>   And at
> best it will only helped you a bit.  
Well, sometimes attitude changes are in order.
> This may not be a great use of my
> time.  For example, using the same amount of time to fix a Gnomad2 bug
> might help a lot more people.
>   
Well, I'm glad of your choice.
> I do understand being on the other side of this problem.  I've
> submitted a fix to OpenWRT a month ago and cannot find out why there
> has been no response.  I just don't yet know how to tap into the
> social structure of that project.  I've used the official bug
> reporting mechanism (trac), email to the developers' list (multiple
> times), and IRC (many times).
>
> Good luck!
>   
Thanks,

Chris
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