From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 1 03:40:08 2007 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:40:08 -0500 Subject: Microsoft squeezing virtualization In-Reply-To: <20070228144309.GR22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <50602.207.188.65.57.1172631721.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20070228144309.GR22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200702282240.08241.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Wednesday 28 February 2007 09:43, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > And it is NOT software that has made advancements. It is computer > hardware. Now that you can try and compare to cars since it too is a lot > of work to copy. In many ways software really hasn't advanced at all, > rather the opposite. It has gotten big, bloated, and inefficient, because > the computer hardware has gotten so good that programmers don't have any > incentive in writing efficient code. Sounds like cars and software have been on an identical evolutionary path. I am the 5th of 6 kids, the 8 of us used to drive around in an old british station wagon (a much smaller car than north american wagons), 2 youngest in the trunk. These days that old wagon we had would almost be too small for 2 people, let alone 4 (now we need SUVs or minivans for the solo commutes to work). The comforts in vehicles have certainly increased though ... like seats for kids 5 and 6 ;-) -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 1 13:58:25 2007 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:58:25 +0300 Subject: Anybody know somewhere I can get backup script Message-ID: Hi all, I am seeking for a pointer to a well done script - preferably perl, but any language would do - that I can customize for backing up routers and switches configuration to a tftp. I am not very good with scripting and that is why writing one from scratch is not my first option. The script will be running on RHEL3. I have googled around, and will keep at it, but I haven't found anything close so far. CPAN didn't seem to host such a script as its too simplistic for them I assume. Do anyone know of script that can come close to these specs Thanks William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul-fQIO8zZcxYtFkWKT+BUv2w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 1 14:35:31 2007 From: paul-fQIO8zZcxYtFkWKT+BUv2w at public.gmane.org (Paul Nash) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:35:31 -0500 Subject: Anybody know somewhere I can get backup script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am seeking for a pointer to a well done script - preferably perl, but any language would do - that I can customize for backing up routers and switches configuration to a tftp. Take a look at RANCID -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 1 14:35:03 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:35:03 -0500 Subject: Anybody know somewhere I can get backup script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070301143503.GA23000@watson-wilson.ca> There are some cisco related scripts here: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=14876 -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 2 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 1 15:24:31 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:24:31 -0500 Subject: Microsoft squeezing virtualization In-Reply-To: <200702282240.08241.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <50602.207.188.65.57.1172631721.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20070228144309.GR22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200702282240.08241.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20070301152431.GT22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 10:40:08PM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Sounds like cars and software have been on an identical evolutionary path. I > am the 5th of 6 kids, the 8 of us used to drive around in an old british > station wagon (a much smaller car than north american wagons), 2 youngest in > the trunk. There are efficient cars. Minivans and SUVs are really only popular in North America, and really not at all anywhere else on the planet. So perhaps the best comparison is drivers of north america and programmers of computers. Both on average seem to be getting more wasteful, although the drivers of the 50s were pretty wasteful too, so perhaps drivers just haven't changed that much. > These days that old wagon we had would almost be too small for 2 people, let > alone 4 (now we need SUVs or minivans for the solo commutes to work). The > comforts in vehicles have certainly increased though ... like seats for kids > 5 and 6 ;-) Safety concerns seem to have increased a lot over the years, as have expectations of comfort. So yes that part has changed. On the other hand how many families have 6 kids anymore? It seems some people have minivans just so they can put the kids on seperate rows rather than work out how to get them to get along. Or they have the excuse of needing to ferry around aunts/uncles/grandparents/etc, although hardly any of them ever seem to be doing that. Similarly people who drive a pickup just because they claim they might have to move something, which they do perhaps once or twice a year, when it would make much more sense financially (and confort wise) to drive a sensible car that takes less space, fuel, polutes less, etc, and get the stuff once or twice a year delivered, or get a friend with a legitimate reason for having a pickup to help out those few times. Not sure how this has anything to do with linux of course... :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 1 15:54:55 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Microsoft squeezing virtualization References: <50602.207.188.65.57.1172631721.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: writes: > Continuing that analogy, if Microsoft made cars, the EULA would specify > that the car could be repossessed if you used non-Microsoft gasoline in > it. Or to be more on the subject, if M$ made cars, the EULA would specify that the car would self destruct if driven on any road not marked on the official maps. Same if it would be trasnported on an unapproved transporter. Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 1 16:29:17 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:29:17 -0500 Subject: Linux video conferencing software Message-ID: <1e55af990703010829n79a72e77mcc51d4bc6f7e9273@mail.gmail.com> To facilitate better communication, my work is going to be switching to video conferencing. Not just video calls, but video conference calls with multiple participants. The top choice right now is to use Skype 3 for Windows. Windows. Hmm.. I *really* don't want to go that route. I have found some single-person video chat clients which are multi-platform, but nothing which does video *conferencing*. References to using WIne with Skype date back to version two. I could possibly investigate using VMware or a similar solution. Heck, I'd buy a Mac just to avoid using Windows, even if it were only for an hour a day. Too bad my research shows that Skype for the Mac is out of date and has poor video performance. What options do I have? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 1 16:34:17 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:34:17 -0500 Subject: itbusiness.ca poll on Dell and Linux Message-ID: <45E70089.9010009@telly.org> The website itbusiness.ca is currently running a poll with the question, "Would you consider buying a Dell Linux PC if the vendor offers them pre-installed?". Given the thread here recently, some of you may want to vote. Right now the tally is 57% yes, 26% no and the rest unsure. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 1 17:01:49 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:01:49 -0500 Subject: Linux video conferencing software In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703010829n79a72e77mcc51d4bc6f7e9273-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703010829n79a72e77mcc51d4bc6f7e9273@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E706FD.7010502@telly.org> Sy Ali wrote: > What options do I have? > The Wengo software for Linux includes video capability, but its network is far smaller than Skype's and I'm unaware of its conferencing capabilities. There's also Ekiga (formerly gnomemeeting) but I haven't tried that. It's GNOME-specific -- the KDE equivalents, Kphone and Twinkle, are very new and don't have video support. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 1 17:02:23 2007 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:02:23 -0500 Subject: Microsoft squeezing virtualization In-Reply-To: <20070301152431.GT22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <50602.207.188.65.57.1172631721.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20070228144309.GR22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200702282240.08241.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20070301152431.GT22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 3/1/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 10:40:08PM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > Sounds like cars and software have been on an identical evolutionary > path. I > > am the 5th of 6 kids, the 8 of us used to drive around in an old british > > station wagon (a much smaller car than north american wagons), 2 > youngest in > > the trunk. > > There are efficient cars. Minivans and SUVs are really only popular in > North America, and really not at all anywhere else on the planet. > > So perhaps the best comparison is drivers of north america and > programmers of computers. Both on average seem to be getting more > wasteful, although the drivers of the 50s were pretty wasteful too, so > perhaps drivers just haven't changed that much. Hi Lennart, Just about all drivers were wasteful, right up until the Energy Crisis in the 70's (good grief I sound old), when suddenly the small, gas-sipping Japanese cars started to look most attractive, compared to the big, heavy, thirsty American cars. American car companies quickly made drastic plans, with mostly poor results: witness the Ford Pinto/Mercury Bobcat; also the AMC Gremlin, essentially one of their regular models with the back 1/3 chopped off. > These days that old wagon we had would almost be too small for 2 people, > let > > alone 4 (now we need SUVs or minivans for the solo commutes to > work). The > > comforts in vehicles have certainly increased though ... like seats for > kids > > 5 and 6 ;-) > > Safety concerns seem to have increased a lot over the years, as have > expectations of comfort. So yes that part has changed. On the other > hand how many families have 6 kids anymore? It seems some people have > minivans just so they can put the kids on seperate rows rather than work > out how to get them to get along. Ah .. and, may I ask, how long have you been a parent? ;) Sometimes kids just don't get along, no matter how wonderful a parent you may be. My wife and I got a minivan (a Pontiac Montana) with a second row of Captain's seats because we knew that the boys would grow. Sure enough, five years later they're now both 6' tall; the younger one is 15, and may still grow a bit more. Or they have the excuse of needing to > ferry around aunts/uncles/grandparents/etc, although hardly any of them > ever seem to be doing that. Just wait .. it'll come. :) Oh, and don't forget about boyfriends, girlfriends, pets, bicycles, soccer balls, skates, hockey equipment, and weekly expensive trips to the grocery store for the ever-hungry teenagers. > Similarly people who drive a pickup just > because they claim they might have to move something, which they do > perhaps once or twice a year, when it would make much more sense > financially (and confort wise) to drive a sensible car that takes less > space, fuel, polutes less, etc, and get the stuff once or twice a year > delivered, or get a friend with a legitimate reason for having a pickup > to help out those few times. At one point, I seriously considered buying a pickup truck .. I was single, needed just basic transportation, and a truck was thousands less than a car. I also considered a motorcycle (I was in California, it would have made sense), but eventually ended up going with a VW Fox sedan .. small and economical. And a pickup truck isn't that great -- a van's got much more space, and is enclosed, something that's handy when it rains on Moving Day. Not sure how this has anything to do with linux of course... :) Oh, absolutely nothing, I totally agree. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 1 17:13:20 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:13:20 -0500 Subject: Microsoft squeezing virtualization In-Reply-To: References: <50602.207.188.65.57.1172631721.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20070228144309.GR22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200702282240.08241.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20070301152431.GT22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070301171320.GU22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 12:02:23PM -0500, Alex Beamish wrote: > Just about all drivers were wasteful, right up until the Energy Crisis in > the 70's (good grief I sound old), when suddenly the small, gas-sipping > Japanese cars started to look most attractive, compared to the big, heavy, > thirsty American cars. Certainly. Of course it seems in the rest of the world gas stayed relatively expensive, while around here it got too cheap again. > American car companies quickly made drastic plans, with mostly poor results: > witness the Ford Pinto/Mercury Bobcat; also the AMC Gremlin, essentially one > of their regular models with the back 1/3 chopped off. Yeah, and hatchbacks were becoming popular and they needed one quick. :) > Ah .. and, may I ask, how long have you been a parent? ;) Sometimes kids > just don't get along, no matter how wonderful a parent you may be. True, I remember not always getting along with my sister. We still had to share the back seat of the car though and deal with it. > My wife and I got a minivan (a Pontiac Montana) with a second row of > Captain's seats because we knew that the boys would grow. Sure enough, five > years later they're now both 6' tall; the younger one is 15, and may still > grow a bit more. Nothing a perfectly normal car couldn't carry. > Just wait .. it'll come. :) Oh, and don't forget about boyfriends, > girlfriends, pets, bicycles, soccer balls, skates, hockey equipment, and > weekly expensive trips to the grocery store for the ever-hungry teenagers. Given most peopel are driving around with just themselves in the car most of the time, I don't see how the groceries can't fit. The majority of the world seems to be able to do it, so we should be able to here as well. I carry bicycles on the roof when I need to. Inside the car tends to get them scratched too easily. > At one point, I seriously considered buying a pickup truck .. I was single, > needed just basic transportation, and a truck was thousands less than a car. > I also considered a motorcycle (I was in California, it would have made > sense), but eventually ended up going with a VW Fox sedan .. small and > economical. Seems like a good choice. Your stuff doesn't get rained on, and you can lock the trunk. :) And trucks don't seem to come in 'inexpensive' versions anymore, much to the annoyance of many farmers. Some of the new vans are rather impresive for their carying ability and their efficiency. The old breadloafs with V8s on the other hand were just stupid, and all seemed to have last been redesigned in the 60s. > And a pickup truck isn't that great -- a van's got much more space, and is > enclosed, something that's handy when it rains on Moving Day. Absolutely. I think SUVs and pickups are like windows. Big and wasteful. linux is more like a small efficient car that gets the most of of the resources given to it without wasting any on being fancy and impresive looking. There is the linux connection back. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 1 19:03:05 2007 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 01 Mar 2007 14:03:05 -0500 Subject: itbusiness.ca poll on Dell and Linux In-Reply-To: <45E70089.9010009-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <45E70089.9010009@telly.org> Message-ID: Evan Leibovitch writes: > The website itbusiness.ca is currently running a poll with the question, > "Would you consider buying a Dell Linux PC if the vendor offers them > pre-installed?". Given the thread here recently, some of you may want to > vote. > > > Right now the tally is 57% yes, 26% no and the rest unsure. Too bad they didn't ask: Would you consider buying a Dell Linux PC if Dell includes only hardware supported by existing Open Source drivers or provides or funds development of Open Source drivers for any hardware without an existing Open Source driver? -- tim writer starnix care inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 1 23:49:10 2007 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 18:49:10 -0500 Subject: Sony ICD-P320 on Linux? Message-ID: <20070301234910.GA9770@amtoo.utoronto.ca> I recently came into possession of a Sony ICD-P320 voice recorder, which runs under Windows. I'm trying to figure out how to use it with Linux. It has a USB2 port. If I connect it to my computer, nothing much happens; if I remove ehci_hcd and let ohci_hcd (or uhci_hcd) detect it, then dmesg reports the existence of a drive. But my attempt to mount it as vfat fails. Any idea what the base filesystem is? The hardware is just a memory stick on the inside, and those certainly work under Linux. But I can't guess, and Google only turns up people with similar queries. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 215 Huron Street The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5S 1A2 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can however telnet to linuxfrontier.com at port 25 from another remote machine. The result is, though, not the one I did expect: [zbych at localhost zbych]$ telnet linuxfrontier.com 25 Trying 64.62.231.190... Connected to linuxfrontier.com. Escape character is '^]'. and thats it. Nothing more. SMTP is probably the the craziest protocol used on the Internet. It is simple. But so ambiguous. I guess that one can receive the same error response in at least 100 cases. In my case, when I send email to an existing user on the server, zbych-Ugr1wgFcK0yJYWAMoLK9qgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org from home, using google smatp server, I get this response: ==== This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: ? ? ?zbych-Ugr1wgFcK0yJYWAMoLK9qgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Technical details of permanent failure: PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 554 5.7.1 : Relay access denied ==== zbych-Ugr1wgFcK0yJYWAMoLK9qgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org is supposed to be forwarded back to softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org, the email address I am sending from. I can send emails from inside of the server, by using /usr/bin/mail . Pls. Or not. Regards, zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 03:00:14 2007 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 22:00:14 -0500 Subject: Recommendations for a USB 2.0 Expansion Card Message-ID: <20070301220014.7101cbb3.gstrom@teksavvy.com> This is part two of the endless saga about the little external hard drive that at first wouldn't but now does but verrrrrry slowly. It seems my old Dell Dimension 4100 probably has USB 1.1 ports. That would explain why the data transfer is so painfully slow. So I guess I need to get a USB 2.0 expansion card. Which ones are good? Thanks. -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 04:04:56 2007 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 23:04:56 -0500 Subject: Sony ICD-P320 on Linux? In-Reply-To: <20070301234910.GA9770-LMpBBneordZSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <20070301234910.GA9770@amtoo.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Here's something that seemed appropriate: http://elegantcode.com/?p=512 It seems you should just be able to plug it in and have it work. Are you sure it's USB2? Good luck with it anyhow. On 3/1/07, Peter King wrote: > > I recently came into possession of a Sony ICD-P320 voice recorder, which > runs under Windows. I'm trying to figure out how to use it with Linux. > It has a USB2 port. If I connect it to my computer, nothing much > happens; if I remove ehci_hcd and let ohci_hcd (or uhci_hcd) detect it, > then dmesg reports the existence of a drive. But my attempt to mount > it as vfat fails. Any idea what the base filesystem is? The hardware is > just a memory stick on the inside, and those certainly work under Linux. > But I can't guess, and Google only turns up people with similar queries. > > -- > Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > Department of Philosophy > 215 Huron Street > The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc > Toronto, ON M5S 1A2 > CANADA > > http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ > > ========================================================================= > GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 > > -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 05:06:33 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 00:06:33 -0500 Subject: Recommendations for a USB 2.0 Expansion Card In-Reply-To: <20070301220014.7101cbb3.gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20070301220014.7101cbb3.gstrom@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <1172811993.4897.49.camel@stan64.site> i have bought 3-4 to eval, i havnt tried them yet BUT the trend net 5 port usb 2.0 host pci adaptor from tiger direct does say supports linux right on front, so that would be my first choice, i will be trying all the ones i bought shortly, i will post my findings. partnumber is t156 2196 i think, thats whats below the upc now on the front of box it says linux compat. on back it just says Windows and Mac, but thats probably a case they didnt update their packaging. -tl On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 22:00 -0500, Glen Strom wrote: > This is part two of the endless saga about the little external hard > drive that at first wouldn't but now does but verrrrrry slowly. > > It seems my old Dell Dimension 4100 probably has USB 1.1 ports. That > would explain why the data transfer is so painfully slow. So I guess I > need to get a USB 2.0 expansion card. Which ones are good? > > > Thanks. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 12:29:26 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: postfix problem References: <1e55af990703010829n79a72e77mcc51d4bc6f7e9273@mail.gmail.com> <45E706FD.7010502@telly.org> <200703011956.20965.softquake@gmail.com> Message-ID: Log in to the server and telnet to iself at port 25. It should answer something that starts with 220 (E)SMTP . If this works then you probably have a reverse network problem (something filters out responses). You can run another (or the same) SMTP daemon on a different non-standard port and test there. E.g. 25025 or such. This will then be a 'private' (not very) SMTP port. See /etc/postfix/master.cf (add entries like smtp ... but with 25025 etc.) In general try to separate network problems from server problems by testing each separately. F.ex. you can enable the inetd echo protocol on port 25 and test it remotely like that if you suspect that something is misrouting packets. Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 15:48:55 2007 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:48:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: postfix problem In-Reply-To: <200703011956.20965.softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200703011956.20965.softquake@gmail.com> Message-ID: <629298.89822.qm@web60123.mail.yahoo.com> --- Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Again, searching on Google did not help so far. And > too many silly discussions > of the problem irritate me. > > The domain name is linuxfrontier.com . It is a new > server, not fully > configured. This is the first time I use Postfix, > but I think I will enjoy it > more than other mail servers. > > linuxfrontier.com does have an MX record. > > F..n Rogers that I use right now from home does not > allow me to telnet there > at port 25. > > I can however telnet to linuxfrontier.com at port 25 > from another remote > machine. The result is, though, not the one I did > expect: > > [zbych at localhost zbych]$ telnet linuxfrontier.com 25 > Trying 64.62.231.190... > Connected to linuxfrontier.com. > Escape character is '^]'. > > and thats it. Nothing more. > > SMTP is probably the the craziest protocol used on > the Internet. It is simple. > But so ambiguous. I guess that one can receive the > same error response in at > least 100 cases. > > In my case, when I send email to an existing user on > the server, > zbych-Ugr1wgFcK0yJYWAMoLK9qgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org from home, using google > smatp server, I get this > response: > ==== > This is an automatically generated Delivery Status > Notification > > Delivery to the following recipient failed > permanently: > > zbych-Ugr1wgFcK0yJYWAMoLK9qgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org > > Technical details of permanent failure: > PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 554 5.7.1 > : Relay > access denied > ==== > > zbych-Ugr1wgFcK0yJYWAMoLK9qgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org is supposed to be forwarded > back to > softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org, the email address I am sending > from. > > I can send emails from inside of the server, by > using /usr/bin/mail . > > Pls. Or not. > > Regards, > zb. > > Hello zb, Some mail troubleshooting tips: Like Peter said, a good starting point is to isolate the problem: - check the MX record, you can use http://pingability.com/ - check that is not a blocked port problem in your network by testing your smtp server with a web browser; you can use http://pingability.com/smtptest.jsp and http://pingability.com/mailtest.jsp or https://mail2web.com/ - from your local pc after you do the "telnet your_server_ip 25" try "HELO localhost" and see if you get something back If your ISP blocks traffic on port 25 (I got Rogers and they do that), then you can have Postfix run on both 25 and some other port like 2525 (you don't want it to run on just 2525; you need 25 too) or use iptables to forward 2525 traffic to 25: iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 2525 -j REDIRECT --to-port 25 In your server: - check that Postfix is running and listening on 25: /etc/init.d/postfix status ps auxf|grep postfix netstat -talpn |grep 25 - are you running besides a pop/imap server? you need one of those, like dovecot or courier. There's a Postfix/dovecot how-to at: http://rimuhosting.com/support/settingupemail.jsp?mta=postfix dovecot just needs a line in its config file that says you want to use it for pop3(/imap), you start it and it's good to go. - check your logs:/var/log/messages , /var/log/maillog for problems Once you can send/receive email at your account then you can look at the forwarding. Fernando --------------------- Fernando Duran http://www.fduran.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 13:19:08 2007 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:19:08 -0500 Subject: Recommendations for a USB 2.0 Expansion Card In-Reply-To: <1172811993.4897.49.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <20070301220014.7101cbb3.gstrom@teksavvy.com> <1172811993.4897.49.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <200703020819.08526.dbmacg@look.ca> the program usbview should tell you if you have usb 2.0 connection. In my experience, the cables you use can have an impact on the speed of connection. -- Duncan MacGregor - Toronto - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 17:33:58 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Recommendations for a USB 2.0 Expansion Card References: <20070301220014.7101cbb3.gstrom@teksavvy.com> <1172811993.4897.49.camel@stan64.site> <200703020819.08526.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: Duncan MacGregor writes: > In my experience, the cables you use can have an impact on the speed of > connection. Could you please elaborate on that ? Length ? Price ? No-nameness ? thanks, Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 18:11:56 2007 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:11:56 -0500 Subject: Recommendations for a USB 2.0 Expansion Card In-Reply-To: References: <20070301220014.7101cbb3.gstrom@teksavvy.com> <200703020819.08526.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: <200703021311.56963.dbmacg@look.ca> Alas, I do not have a nice answer for that. When you get USB 2.0 cables. Some will work at 2.0. All my 1.0 hubs work fine, at 1.0. One 2.0 powered hub does not work. I lights up but nobody is home. The other 2.0 hub works fine, but with only one of my three cables. (The cables go to a Canon/Sony connector.) I have not had time to figure out why. Every motherboard I have ever seen that has onboard usb headers works fine with Linux, but not with Windows 95, 98 or ME. I use usbview to confirm connections. Dunc On Friday 02 March 2007 12:33, Peter P. wrote: > Duncan MacGregor writes: > > In my experience, the cables you use can have an impact on the speed of > > connection. > > Could you please elaborate on that ? Length ? Price ? No-nameness ? > > thanks, > Peter P. > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Duncan MacGregor - Toronto - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 18:48:23 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:48:23 -0500 Subject: Sony ICD-P320 on Linux? In-Reply-To: <20070301234910.GA9770-LMpBBneordZSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <20070301234910.GA9770@amtoo.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20070302184823.GV22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 06:49:10PM -0500, Peter King wrote: > I recently came into possession of a Sony ICD-P320 voice recorder, which > runs under Windows. I'm trying to figure out how to use it with Linux. > It has a USB2 port. If I connect it to my computer, nothing much > happens; if I remove ehci_hcd and let ohci_hcd (or uhci_hcd) detect it, > then dmesg reports the existence of a drive. But my attempt to mount > it as vfat fails. Any idea what the base filesystem is? The hardware is > just a memory stick on the inside, and those certainly work under Linux. > But I can't guess, and Google only turns up people with similar queries. Well it's a sony, so most likely it uses atrac as it's internal format, almost certainly doesn't behave as a usb-storage device, no matter what is inside. Now maybe if you could take the memory out and put it in a reader you could get at the filesystem (if it has one), but it would still most likely be in a file format you have no way to work with. What does lsusb show for it with various levels of verbosity? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 19:01:09 2007 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John M. Moniz) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:01:09 -0500 Subject: /dev/dsp missing Message-ID: <45E87475.6090007@sympatico.ca> I installed Mandriva 2007 and lost the sound (was working with Mandriva 2006). I installed all of the codecs I thought were pertinent, the players seem to play normally, but there is no sound. Mandriva has a sound configuration tool. Checking all of the steps, it looks like the sound card is detected correctly, the driver is correct and modules are loaded. However, it says that it cannot find the audio mixer. kmix is there and I also installed aumix just to be sure, but both give errors that there is no audio mixer (something like that). It also says that device /dev/dsp is missing. This is on my daughter's PC at university and I would like to fix it when I go there this weekend. Any suggestions as to what I could try? If it's a matter of creating the /dev/dsp device, some tips on options would be helpful as I am not familiar with making devices. Thanks, John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 19:01:46 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:01:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Writing Message-ID: <189045.5411.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Earlier this week I was helping out at the Society of Internet Profesionals booth down at the Career Door job fair (long, and ugly story there ... don't ask). Anyway of the hundreds of people I talked to down there was one lady who noted that her husband wanted to get into writing and I offered to sum up my $0.02 worth (done!). Now, I thought my experiences might be of general interest to those on this mailing list... Taken from that e-mail, here are my thoughts on writing: In 2003 I set-up and ran a temporary Internet cafe for a convention, all on very little money, using a version of Knoppix Linux that I customized for the event. This I thought was a neat trick about which I wanted to boast a bit. So, in my case I went looking around asking which Linux publication seemed to be the most prestigious, and the best paying, which brought me to Linux Journal (after all if Linux Journal rejected me I could lower my sights :-) ). What I didn't considered at the time was how long it took between submitting an article and the article being published (in the case of Linux Journal it can be a while). I wrote the editor at Linux Journal, noting what I had done, and outlining what I thought would make a great article. A few e-mails back and forth, then I got busy writing. Several months later I was talking to the local Greater Toronto Area Linux user group about what I had done, and the idea of doing a presentation about my article came up. In reviewing what I had written with the latest version of Knoppix Linux I discovered that some of the material in my original article had become dated, which lead to my 2nd article. From there things have spluttered along. So, my suggestions, - Come up with a neat/clever idea. - Make a list of what publication(s) would be interested in said idea. - Contact the editor of the magazine with the idea and an article outline. - Be ready to do some back and forth tweaking/changes. - Write. - Submit article - Repeat above steps. Writing has varied, some articles I have sweated blood on, others have been fairly mindless bits of banging on the keyboard. Still, once you get a few articles under your belt the ideas in a way become easier. The Quake 3 game article came because the editor of Tux wanted to do an all video game issue and asked me if there were any games I wanted to write about. Then came the idea of a follow-up article on Quake 4... Now, sad but true, I don't yet know how to make a real living at writing. Depending on the publication I have seen payments that ranged from a bunch of free magazines (the little 200 word item I did for Linux Format magazine), to $600 (U.S.) from Linux Journal which is nice but not a living. Still, it has allowed me to play with some neat toys/software (for example my review of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 (which has not yet been released to the general public) coming up in the April 2007 issue of Linux Magazine :-) ). I also get to increase the number of "interesting" keywords in my resume. Hope this helps. Colin McGregor Publication List: In Print: - "A Temporary Internet Lounge", Linux Journal, February 2005, pages 42-45 - "Overseas LUG of the Month", Linux Format, April 2006, page 103 - "Debian GNU/Linux", Tux Magazine, April 2006, pages 19-22 - "KDE Kontact", Tux Magazine, July 2006, pages 37-42 - "KDETV", Tux Magazine, August 2006, pages 21-24 - ?Quake 3 and Doom 3 or Nightmares Spoken Here? Tux Magazine, September 2006 - ?Freespire 1.0.2? Tux Magazine, September 2006, pages 56-58 - ?Quake 4? Tux Magazine, November 2006, pages 51 ? 53. - ?Tux People: Pamela Jones?, Tux Magazine, December 2006, pages 18 ? 20. - ?Controlling Spam with SpamAssassin? Linux Journal, January 2007, pages 94 ? 95. On the Web: - "A Temporary Internet Lounge Revisited", Linux Journal Website, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8081 - "A Motherboard Upgrade HOWTO", Linux Journal Website, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8219 - "A Look at the Linux World Canada Show", Linux Journal Website, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8262 - "A Video Card Upgrade HOWTO", Linux Journal Website, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8511 - "A Beginning Look At MythTV", Linux Journal Website, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8658 - "An Evening With Jeff Waugh", Linux Journal Website, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8752 - "The Linux Infrared Remote Control (LIRC) Project", Linux Journal Website, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8811 - "The 2006 LinuxWorld Canada Show", Linux Journal Website, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9028 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 19:02:06 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:02:06 -0500 Subject: Linux video conferencing software In-Reply-To: <45E706FD.7010502-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703010829n79a72e77mcc51d4bc6f7e9273@mail.gmail.com> <45E706FD.7010502@telly.org> Message-ID: <1e55af990703021102x3df51b0cm2a38a4e61eb7a9ec@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/07, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > The Wengo software for Linux includes video capability, but its network > is far smaller than Skype's and I'm unaware of its conferencing > capabilities. > > There's also Ekiga (formerly gnomemeeting) but I haven't tried that. > It's GNOME-specific -- the KDE equivalents, Kphone and Twinkle, are very > new and don't have video support. I know all those names.. * Ekiga has video but not video conferencing (and it isn't gnome-specific as such, I use it for VoIP) * Wengo doesn't do conference video, that I can see. * Twinkle does not support video * Kphone is just sad -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 19:24:26 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 14:23:26 +1859 Subject: /dev/dsp missing In-Reply-To: <45E87475.6090007-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <45E87475.6090007@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <7ac602420703021124j5c782e07w37843fdb49105a36@mail.gmail.com> I think /dev/dsp is an artifact of the Open Sound System (OSS) which has been obsoleted by the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA). Perhaps the audio-players your daughter uses can be configured to use ALSA instead of OSS? Maybe you need to turn on OSS emulation? My laptop is running Gentoo Linux, plays sounds fine, and does not have /dev/dsp. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 19:39:57 2007 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John M. Moniz) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:39:57 -0500 Subject: /dev/dsp missing In-Reply-To: <7ac602420703021124j5c782e07w37843fdb49105a36-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <45E87475.6090007@sympatico.ca> <7ac602420703021124j5c782e07w37843fdb49105a36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E87D8D.4030004@sympatico.ca> Ian Petersen wrote: > I think /dev/dsp is an artifact of the Open Sound System (OSS) which > has been obsoleted by the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA). > Perhaps the audio-players your daughter uses can be configured to use > ALSA instead of OSS? Maybe you need to turn on OSS emulation? My > laptop is running Gentoo Linux, plays sounds fine, and does not have > /dev/dsp. > > Ian > Interesting. The missing audio mixer and /dev/dsp came from the trouble shooting steps in the configuration tool. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 19:39:15 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:39:15 -0500 Subject: /dev/dsp missing In-Reply-To: <45E87D8D.4030004-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <45E87475.6090007@sympatico.ca> <7ac602420703021124j5c782e07w37843fdb49105a36@mail.gmail.com> <45E87D8D.4030004@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20070302193915.GE29618@watson-wilson.ca> On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 02:39:57PM -0500, John M. Moniz wrote: >Interesting. The missing audio mixer and /dev/dsp came from the trouble >shooting steps in the configuration tool. Most likely you need to ensure that the old OSS compatible kernel modules are loaded: Module Size Used by snd_pcm_oss 38368 0 snd_mixer_oss 15200 1 snd_pcm_oss -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 3 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 19:42:47 2007 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:42:47 -0500 Subject: Writing In-Reply-To: <189045.5411.qm-57gzaD/7YRGB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <189045.5411.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4386c5b20703021142t430342c0w51f6f78f18e59f53@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the input Colin. I also write professionally and while I don't make a living at it, it still makes up a compelling 15% of my annual revenue, which I'm not prepared to lose! :-) I think it IS possible to make a living writing; I just just would rather it be a part of my overall technology business. Of course, the answer is to diversify: write for as many publications as possible. The trade press is the most profitable for mainstream stuff (I have a number of articles for Smart Computing magazine, for example), but corporate writing even edges that out. I've written a number of articles for HP, of all companies, for a specialized Enterprise computing magazine that you've likely never heard of ("Transforming Your Enterprise"). They pay _very_ well. I can see that if I were to string together a couple more magazines and another HP-class client, one could make a reasonable living. I think the only real point I wanted to make in this reply though is to not be too picky about who you write for. The subject matter is important, but if you're looking to do it as a career, you need to think of writing itself as the reward, not the subject. I'd recast that sentence, but hey, this is email. :-) Cheers, Aaron. On 3/2/07, Colin McGregor wrote: > Earlier this week I was helping out at the Society of > Internet Profesionals booth down at the Career Door > job fair (long, and ugly story there ... don't ask). > Anyway of the hundreds of people I talked to down > there was one lady who noted that her husband wanted > to get into writing and I offered to sum up my $0.02 > worth (done!). Now, I thought my experiences might be > of general interest to those on this mailing list... > Taken from that e-mail, here are my thoughts on > writing: > > In 2003 I set-up and ran a temporary Internet cafe for > a convention, all on very little money, using a > version of Knoppix Linux that I customized for the > event. This I thought was a neat trick about which I > wanted to boast a bit. So, in my case I went looking > around asking which Linux publication seemed to be the > most prestigious, and the best paying, which brought > me to Linux Journal (after all if Linux Journal > rejected me I could lower my sights :-) ). What I > didn't considered at the time was how long it took > between submitting an article and the article being > published (in the case of Linux Journal it can be a > while). I wrote the editor at Linux Journal, noting > what I had done, and outlining what I thought would > make a great article. A few e-mails back and forth, > then I got busy writing. > > Several months later I was talking to the local > Greater Toronto Area Linux user group about what I had > done, and the idea of doing a presentation about my > article came up. In reviewing what I had written with > the latest version of Knoppix Linux I discovered that > some of the material in my original article had become > dated, which lead to my 2nd article. From there things > have spluttered along. > > So, my suggestions, > > - Come up with a neat/clever idea. > - Make a list of what publication(s) would be > interested in said idea. > - Contact the editor of the magazine with the idea > and an article outline. > - Be ready to do some back and forth tweaking/changes. > - Write. > - Submit article > - Repeat above steps. > > Writing has varied, some articles I have sweated blood > on, others have been fairly mindless bits of banging > on the keyboard. Still, once you get a few articles > under your belt the ideas in a way become easier. The > Quake 3 game article came because the editor of Tux > wanted to do an all video game issue and asked me if > there were any games I wanted to write about. Then > came the idea of a follow-up article on Quake 4... > > Now, sad but true, I don't yet know how to make a real > living at writing. Depending on the publication I have > seen payments that ranged from a bunch of free > magazines (the little 200 word item I did for Linux > Format magazine), to $600 (U.S.) from Linux Journal > which is nice but not a living. Still, it has allowed > me to play with some neat toys/software (for example > my review of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 (which has not > yet been released to the general public) coming up in > the April 2007 issue of Linux Magazine :-) ). I also > get to increase the number of "interesting" keywords > in my resume. > > Hope this helps. > > Colin McGregor > > Publication List: > In Print: > - "A Temporary Internet Lounge", Linux Journal, > February 2005, pages 42-45 > - "Overseas LUG of the Month", Linux Format, April > 2006, page 103 > - "Debian GNU/Linux", Tux Magazine, April 2006, pages > 19-22 > - "KDE Kontact", Tux Magazine, July 2006, pages 37-42 > - "KDETV", Tux Magazine, August 2006, pages 21-24 > - "Quake 3 and Doom 3 or Nightmares Spoken Here" Tux > Magazine, September 2006 > - "Freespire 1.0.2" Tux Magazine, September 2006, > pages 56-58 > - "Quake 4" Tux Magazine, November 2006, pages 51 ? > 53. > - "Tux People: Pamela Jones", Tux Magazine, December > 2006, pages 18 ? 20. > - "Controlling Spam with SpamAssassin" Linux Journal, > January 2007, pages 94 ? 95. > On the Web: > - "A Temporary Internet Lounge Revisited", Linux > Journal Website, > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8081 > - "A Motherboard Upgrade HOWTO", Linux Journal > Website, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8219 > - "A Look at the Linux World Canada Show", Linux > Journal Website, > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8262 > - "A Video Card Upgrade HOWTO", Linux Journal Website, > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8511 > - "A Beginning Look At MythTV", Linux Journal Website, > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8658 > - "An Evening With Jeff Waugh", Linux Journal Website, > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8752 > - "The Linux Infrared Remote Control (LIRC) Project", > Linux Journal Website, > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8811 > - "The 2006 LinuxWorld Canada Show", Linux Journal > Website, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9028 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 21:24:48 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 21:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Recommendations for a USB 2.0 Expansion Card References: <20070301220014.7101cbb3.gstrom@teksavvy.com> <200703020819.08526.dbmacg@look.ca> <200703021311.56963.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: Duncan MacGregor writes: > When you get USB 2.0 cables. Some will work at 2.0. > > All my 1.0 hubs work fine, at 1.0. > > One 2.0 powered hub does not work. I lights up but nobody is home. > The other 2.0 hub works fine, but with only one of my three cables. (The > cables go to a Canon/Sony connector.) I have not had time to figure out why. > > Every motherboard I have ever seen that has onboard usb headers works fine > with Linux, but not with Windows 95, 98 or ME. true, but how does this ... > I use usbview to confirm connections. Now I am confused: Are you saying that some devices don't work under Windows but do under Linux ? thanks, Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 22:00:26 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:00:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Recommendations for a USB 2.0 Expansion Card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <763454.89295.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- "Peter P." wrote: > Duncan MacGregor writes: > > When you get USB 2.0 cables. Some will work at > 2.0. > > > > All my 1.0 hubs work fine, at 1.0. > > > > One 2.0 powered hub does not work. I lights up but > nobody is home. > > The other 2.0 hub works fine, but with only one of > my three cables. (The > > cables go to a Canon/Sony connector.) I have not > had time to figure out why. > > > > Every motherboard I have ever seen that has > onboard usb headers works fine > > with Linux, but not with Windows 95, 98 or ME. > > true, but how does this ... > > > I use usbview to confirm connections. > > Now I am confused: Are you saying that some devices > don't work under Windows but > do under Linux ? There were multiple versions of Windows 95. The first versions of Windows 95 had NO support for USB. The last version of Windows 95 and all versions of Windows 98 had some support for USB, but things like USB memory keys required specific drivers (there was no generic USB storage device with these versions of Windows). It wasn't until Windows 2000 that Microsoft got its USB support into a reasonable shape. > thanks, > Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 22:51:54 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:51:54 -0500 Subject: Recommendations for a USB 2.0 Expansion Card In-Reply-To: <763454.89295.qm-57gzaD/7YRGB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <763454.89295.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070302225154.GW22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 05:00:26PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > There were multiple versions of Windows 95. The first > versions of Windows 95 had NO support for USB. The > last version of Windows 95 and all versions of Windows > 98 had some support for USB, but things like USB > memory keys required specific drivers (there was no > generic USB storage device with these versions of > Windows). It wasn't until Windows 2000 that Microsoft > got its USB support into a reasonable shape. And we will all pretend Windows Me never happened. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 2 23:15:42 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:15:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Writing In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20703021142t430342c0w51f6f78f18e59f53-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20703021142t430342c0w51f6f78f18e59f53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <773710.18487.qm@web88215.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Aaron Vegh wrote: > Thanks for the input Colin. I also write > professionally and while I > don't make a living at it, it still makes up a > compelling 15% of my > annual revenue, which I'm not prepared to lose! :-) There are a few folks, such as sometimes visitor to this list Marcel Gagne who I gather makes a reasonable living from writing. Others, like Chris Johnson, I gather make a significant percentage of their income from writing. So, yes it is possible to make a living writing, I'm just not there (at least not yet). > I think it IS possible to make a living writing; I > just just would > rather it be a part of my overall technology > business. Of course, the > answer is to diversify: write for as many > publications as possible. > The trade press is the most profitable for > mainstream stuff (I have a > number of articles for Smart Computing magazine, for > example), but > corporate writing even edges that out. I've written > a number of > articles for HP, of all companies, for a specialized > Enterprise > computing magazine that you've likely never heard of > ("Transforming > Your Enterprise"). They pay _very_ well. I can see > that if I were to > string together a couple more magazines and another > HP-class client, > one could make a reasonable living. Good point about the trade publications. > I think the only real point I wanted to make in this > reply though is > to not be too picky about who you write for. The > subject matter is > important, but if you're looking to do it as a > career, you need to > think of writing itself as the reward, not the > subject. I'd recast > that sentence, but hey, this is email. :-) > > Cheers, > Aaron. > > On 3/2/07, Colin McGregor > wrote: > > Earlier this week I was helping out at the Society > of > > Internet Profesionals booth down at the Career > Door > > job fair (long, and ugly story there ... don't > ask). > > Anyway of the hundreds of people I talked to down > > there was one lady who noted that her husband > wanted > > to get into writing and I offered to sum up my > $0.02 > > worth (done!). Now, I thought my experiences might > be > > of general interest to those on this mailing > list... > > Taken from that e-mail, here are my thoughts on > > writing: > > > > In 2003 I set-up and ran a temporary Internet cafe > for > > a convention, all on very little money, using a > > version of Knoppix Linux that I customized for the > > event. This I thought was a neat trick about which > I > > wanted to boast a bit. So, in my case I went > looking > > around asking which Linux publication seemed to be > the > > most prestigious, and the best paying, which > brought > > me to Linux Journal (after all if Linux Journal > > rejected me I could lower my sights :-) ). What I > > didn't considered at the time was how long it took > > between submitting an article and the article > being > > published (in the case of Linux Journal it can be > a > > while). I wrote the editor at Linux Journal, > noting > > what I had done, and outlining what I thought > would > > make a great article. A few e-mails back and > forth, > > then I got busy writing. > > > > Several months later I was talking to the local > > Greater Toronto Area Linux user group about what I > had > > done, and the idea of doing a presentation about > my > > article came up. In reviewing what I had written > with > > the latest version of Knoppix Linux I discovered > that > > some of the material in my original article had > become > > dated, which lead to my 2nd article. From there > things > > have spluttered along. > > > > So, my suggestions, > > > > - Come up with a neat/clever idea. > > - Make a list of what publication(s) would be > > interested in said idea. > > - Contact the editor of the magazine with the idea > > and an article outline. > > - Be ready to do some back and forth > tweaking/changes. > > - Write. > > - Submit article > > - Repeat above steps. > > > > Writing has varied, some articles I have sweated > blood > > on, others have been fairly mindless bits of > banging > > on the keyboard. Still, once you get a few > articles > > under your belt the ideas in a way become easier. > The > > Quake 3 game article came because the editor of > Tux > > wanted to do an all video game issue and asked me > if > > there were any games I wanted to write about. Then > > came the idea of a follow-up article on Quake 4... > > > > Now, sad but true, I don't yet know how to make a > real > > living at writing. Depending on the publication I > have > > seen payments that ranged from a bunch of free > > magazines (the little 200 word item I did for > Linux > > Format magazine), to $600 (U.S.) from Linux > Journal > > which is nice but not a living. Still, it has > allowed > > me to play with some neat toys/software (for > example > > my review of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 (which has > not > > yet been released to the general public) coming up > in > > the April 2007 issue of Linux Magazine :-) ). I > also > > get to increase the number of "interesting" > keywords > > in my resume. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Colin McGregor > > > > Publication List: > > In Print: > > - "A Temporary Internet Lounge", Linux Journal, > > February 2005, pages 42-45 > > - "Overseas LUG of the Month", Linux Format, April > > 2006, page 103 > > - "Debian GNU/Linux", Tux Magazine, April 2006, > pages > > 19-22 > > - "KDE Kontact", Tux Magazine, July 2006, pages > 37-42 > > - "KDETV", Tux Magazine, August 2006, pages 21-24 > > - "Quake 3 and Doom 3 or Nightmares Spoken Here" > Tux > > Magazine, September 2006 > > - "Freespire 1.0.2" Tux Magazine, September 2006, > > pages 56-58 > > - "Quake 4" Tux Magazine, November 2006, pages 51 > ? > > 53. > > - "Tux People: Pamela Jones", Tux Magazine, > December > > 2006, pages 18 ? 20. > > - "Controlling Spam with SpamAssassin" Linux > Journal, > > January 2007, pages 94 ? 95. > > On the Web: > > - "A Temporary Internet Lounge Revisited", Linux > > Journal Website, > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8081 > > - "A Motherboard Upgrade HOWTO", Linux Journal > > Website, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8219 > > - "A Look at the Linux World Canada Show", Linux > > Journal Website, > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8262 > > - "A Video Card Upgrade HOWTO", Linux Journal > Website, > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8511 > > - "A Beginning Look At MythTV", Linux Journal > Website, > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8658 > > - "An Evening With Jeff Waugh", Linux Journal > Website, > === message truncated === -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 3 00:47:30 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 00:47:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Linux video conferencing software References: <1e55af990703010829n79a72e77mcc51d4bc6f7e9273@mail.gmail.com> <45E706FD.7010502@telly.org> <1e55af990703021102x3df51b0cm2a38a4e61eb7a9ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sy Ali writes: > * Ekiga has video but not video conferencing (and it isn't > gnome-specific as such, I use it for VoIP) > * Wengo doesn't do conference video, that I can see. > * Twinkle does not support video > * Kphone is just sad Asterisk knows how to organize SIP video conferences. Ekiga cannot be compiled on older systems. Kphone just works and is installed by default on all systems. And it works with Asterisk too. Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 3 02:59:41 2007 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 21:59:41 -0500 Subject: Sony ICD-P320 on Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <20070301234910.GA9770@amtoo.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20070303025941.GA8825@amtoo.utoronto.ca> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 11:04:56PM -0500, Alex Beamish wrote: > Here's something that seemed appropriate: > > http://elegantcode.com/?p=512 > > It seems you should just be able to plug it in and have it work. Are you > sure it's USB2? It "just works" under Windows, with the driver software supplied. But that isn't any help for Linux, it seems. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 215 Huron Street The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5S 1A2 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 3 03:06:57 2007 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 22:06:57 -0500 Subject: Sony ICD-P320 on Linux? In-Reply-To: <20070302184823.GV22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070301234910.GA9770@amtoo.utoronto.ca> <20070302184823.GV22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070303030657.GA8865@amtoo.utoronto.ca> On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 01:48:23PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well it's a sony, so most likely it uses atrac as it's internal format, > almost certainly doesn't behave as a usb-storage device, no matter what > is inside. Now maybe if you could take the memory out and put it in a > reader you could get at the filesystem (if it has one), but it would > still most likely be in a file format you have no way to work with. > > What does lsusb show for it with various levels of verbosity? Here's the output for lsusb -v, with the Sony plugged in under uhci: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 054c:0271 Sony Corp. Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 16 idVendor 0x054c Sony Corp. idProduct 0x0271 bcdDevice 1.00 iManufacturer 1 iProduct 2 iSerial 0 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 32 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0xc0 Self Powered MaxPower 100mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass 0 bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0040 1x 64 bytes bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x02 EP 2 OUT bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0040 1x 64 bytes bInterval 0 Unless I disable uhci, all I get from dmesg is: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice I never get enough information to try mounting it. If I disable uhci, then one of the other usb modules takes over and the Sony gets assigned a device, but no amount of guessing would allow me to mount it. If as you say it's a proprietary internal filesystem, well, that's that. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 215 Huron Street The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5S 1A2 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 3 19:49:11 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 19:49:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: veni, vidi, vista, aargh Message-ID: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2007-03-02-vista-problems_N.htm Sounds like it's good. Any more interoperability 'problems' besides Photoshop suddenly not working (who needs Photoshop when there is m$ imaging software preloaded) and FF being allowed to believe it's the default browser while it isn't ? (and never mind the circular link trick - everyone did that at some time or another on *nix - but nobody *hid* it as well as they did - ). Does Samba work ? Printing remotely on Samba ? thanks, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 3 21:57:50 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:57:50 -0500 Subject: postfix problem In-Reply-To: <629298.89822.qm-o5gON4E1jN2A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <629298.89822.qm@web60123.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200703031657.50575.softquake@gmail.com> Fernando and Peter, Thanks a lot. > > [zbych at localhost zbych]$ telnet linuxfrontier.com 25 > > Trying 64.62.231.190... > > Connected to linuxfrontier.com. > > Escape character is '^]'. > > > > and thats it. Nothing more. > > That was the problem. And I silly did not look carefully enough to log files. There, in log files, I found out a direction to what should be done. The mail server seems to be working now. I did receive messages from others directed to zbych-Ugr1wgFcK0yJYWAMoLK9qgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org and forwarded to softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org An interesting thing is, though, that I was not able to receive test messages send from home from softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org to zbych-Ugr1wgFcK0yJYWAMoLK9ql+aB/EL+xL/@public.gmane.org They just disappeared. linuxfrontier.com was supposed to forward them to gmail.com. I guess gmail just simply hates that sort of forwarding and ignored them completely. No any warnings, errors, nothing. Thanks again. Now I know whom to ask for help with postfix :) I have plans to install there a fully featured mail server, with spam and virus protection, access from the web to emails, pop and imap of course, good security. While all this is largely for my own enjoyment, I do it also for the possible use at the company I work for, in some near future. zb. On Friday 02 March 2007 10:48, Fernando Duran wrote: > --- Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > Again, searching on Google did not help so far. And > > too many silly discussions > > of the problem irritate me. > > > > The domain name is linuxfrontier.com . It is a new > > server, not fully > > configured. This is the first time I use Postfix, > > but I think I will enjoy it > > more than other mail servers. > > > > linuxfrontier.com does have an MX record. > > > > F..n Rogers that I use right now from home does not > > allow me to telnet there > > at port 25. > > > > I can however telnet to linuxfrontier.com at port 25 > > from another remote > > machine. The result is, though, not the one I did > > expect: > > > > [zbych at localhost zbych]$ telnet linuxfrontier.com 25 > > Trying 64.62.231.190... > > Connected to linuxfrontier.com. > > Escape character is '^]'. > > > > and thats it. Nothing more. > > > > SMTP is probably the the craziest protocol used on > > the Internet. It is simple. > > But so ambiguous. I guess that one can receive the > > same error response in at > > least 100 cases. > > > > In my case, when I send email to an existing user on > > the server, > > zbych-Ugr1wgFcK0yJYWAMoLK9qgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org from home, using google > > smatp server, I get this > > response: > > ==== > > This is an automatically generated Delivery Status > > Notification > > > > Delivery to the following recipient failed > > permanently: > > > > zbych-Ugr1wgFcK0yJYWAMoLK9qgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org > > > > Technical details of permanent failure: > > PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 554 5.7.1 > > : Relay > > access denied > > ==== > > > > zbych-Ugr1wgFcK0yJYWAMoLK9qgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org is supposed to be forwarded > > back to > > softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org, the email address I am sending > > from. > > > > I can send emails from inside of the server, by > > using /usr/bin/mail . > > > > Pls. Or not. > > > > Regards, > > zb. > > Hello zb, > > Some mail troubleshooting tips: > > Like Peter said, a good starting point is to isolate > the problem: > > - check the MX record, you can use > http://pingability.com/ > > - check that is not a blocked port problem in your > network by testing your smtp server with a web > browser; you can use > http://pingability.com/smtptest.jsp and > http://pingability.com/mailtest.jsp or > https://mail2web.com/ > > - from your local pc after you do the "telnet > your_server_ip 25" try "HELO localhost" and see if you > get something back > > If your ISP blocks traffic on port 25 (I got Rogers > and they do that), then you can have Postfix run on > both 25 and some other port like 2525 (you don't want > it to run on just 2525; you need 25 too) or use > iptables to forward 2525 traffic to 25: > iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 2525 -j > REDIRECT --to-port 25 > > In your server: > > - check that Postfix is running and listening on 25: > /etc/init.d/postfix status > ps auxf|grep postfix > netstat -talpn |grep 25 > > - are you running besides a pop/imap server? you need > one of those, like dovecot or courier. There's a > Postfix/dovecot how-to at: > http://rimuhosting.com/support/settingupemail.jsp?mta=postfix > dovecot just needs a line in its config file that says > you want to use it for pop3(/imap), you start it and > it's good to go. > > - check your logs:/var/log/messages , /var/log/maillog > for problems > > > Once you can send/receive email at your account then > you can look at the forwarding. > > Fernando > > --------------------- > Fernando Duran > http://www.fduran.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 3 23:48:27 2007 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 18:48:27 -0500 Subject: Environment, computers and Vista Message-ID: <200703031848.27476.marc@lijour.net> Hi you have to read this: http://www.itworldcanada.com:80/Pages/Docbase/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=idgml-940c367c-6a34-458f-b030-ca0293f384fb&ql=071401 Microsoft is criticized not to do anything to limit waste. The issue is around top hardware requirements. Marc -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 4 01:08:57 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 20:08:57 -0500 Subject: Linux video conferencing software In-Reply-To: References: <1e55af990703010829n79a72e77mcc51d4bc6f7e9273@mail.gmail.com> <45E706FD.7010502@telly.org> <1e55af990703021102x3df51b0cm2a38a4e61eb7a9ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990703031708i22689894r6df6ee918a65fa27@mail.gmail.com> On 3/2/07, Peter P. wrote: > Asterisk knows how to organize SIP video conferences. Hmm, that might be over my head, but i'll note it. By the way, your email client is very broken, and doesn't honour threading. =/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 4 01:19:39 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 20:19:39 -0500 Subject: veni, vidi, vista, aargh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1e55af990703031719u629131b3p6ca8f061bc612521@mail.gmail.com> On 3/3/07, Peter P. wrote: > http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2007-03-02-vista-problems_N.htm Yay, props to Karen's Replicator! =) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 4 01:19:23 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 01:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Recommendations for a USB 2.0 Expansion Card References: <763454.89295.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Colin McGregor writes: > There were multiple versions of Windows 95. The first > versions of Windows 95 had NO support for USB. The > last version of Windows 95 and all versions of Windows > 98 had some support for USB, but things like USB > memory keys required specific drivers (there was no > generic USB storage device with these versions of > Windows). It wasn't until Windows 2000 that Microsoft > got its USB support into a reasonable shape. yes, thanks for elaborating on this. Ime only W98SE started having somewhat bearable USB support. Without most of the hid and storage devices. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 4 17:25:35 2007 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 12:25:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Environment, computers and Vista In-Reply-To: <200703031848.27476.marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200703031848.27476.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Mar 2007, Marc Lijour wrote: > Hi > > you have to read this: > http://www.itworldcanada.com:80/Pages/Docbase/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=idgml-940c367c-6a34-458f-b030-ca0293f384fb&ql=071401 > > Microsoft is criticized not to do anything to limit waste. The issue is around > top hardware requirements. It's great to see this important aspect of computing is finally getting more air time. Anyone who has talked to me for a bit has figured out I'm a huge fan of thin clients - and part of this stems from their environmental advantages. Thin clients mean less hardware on the desktop, the desktop hardware is used for longer and they consume less power[1]. A lot of hardware on the desktop is only good for people who produce hardware for the desktop. [1] Without actually checking, IIRC the thin client on my desk has a 120W power supply. Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 4 20:33:21 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:33:21 -0500 Subject: veni, vidi, vista, aargh Message-ID: <45EAE6C1.15674.1DD5C14@sciguy.vex.net> (quote from the article): Then I discovered that Vista would not allow Firefox to be my default browser no matter how hard I insisted. I even turned off Internet Explorer through the Default Programs control. Still, any link I clicked in an e-mail message would open in IE, while Firefox confidently told me it was set as my default browser. I belive M$ would describe that as a "feature". :-) PJK On 3 Mar 2007 at 20:19, Sy Ali wrote: > On 3/3/07, Peter P. wrote: > > http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2007-03-02-vista-problems_N.htm > > Yay, props to Karen's Replicator! =) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists ------- End of forwarded message ------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 4 22:49:01 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:49:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: free: exotic monitors (very high res monochrome) Message-ID: I have two amazing monitors that I've barely used. Cornerstone DualPage 2092 CRT - comes with PCI video card "ImageAccel 2" - fixed frequency (hence specialized video card) - 2040x1664 resolution! - 19" viewable - grey scale (16 levels with this video card) - Manufactiured 1997 July Bad news: - the only drivers are binary: OS/2 (2.11, Warp 3.0), MS Win 3.1, MS Win 95, MS Win NT (3.51 and 4.0). (There were SCO drivers but they've been lost to the world.) - no specifications. Any new drivers will require reverse engineering. - phosphor is slightly burnt (these monitors were originally used for form-filling). Focus needs to be improved. I used one for a bit under MS Win95, using an X for Win95 to access a real system (Linux). Under Linux, the monitor works, but is totaly wasted because the only supported resolution is 640x480. The video card has a Cirrus Logic VGA chip for this resolution but is custom for the real resolutions. The easiest way to support this monitor might be to use a different controller card. TLUGers get first crack at these two monitors. Reply soon, they'll go fast (I hope). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 5 02:02:16 2007 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:02:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux tech support job In-Reply-To: <200703031848.27476.marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200703031848.27476.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: <30928.13345.qm@web60113.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, The company I work for is growing and hiring Linux gurus for customer technical support. This is all done remotely thru email (I'm in my pijamas actually), and I believe an available shift is 9:00 am -12:00 noon EST. Details: http://forums.rimuhosting.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195 Regards, Fernando --------------------- Fernando Duran http://www.fduran.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rrod-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 5 03:16:26 2007 From: rrod-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (R.R.) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:16:26 -0500 Subject: Linux+ Certification In-Reply-To: <30928.13345.qm-0nAJQWU4XIGA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <30928.13345.qm@web60113.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070305031641.E1A6B2F308@rock.ss.org> Hi All, I'm just wondering if anyone out there who has actually taken this exam, or is currently preparing for it can share some of their experiences (i.e. What materials were used to prepare? Was it easy/hard? What were some of the tougher questions on the exam? Was the cert. was worth it? Has your career scope opened up since taking the cert?) I've been using Linux casually for about 8 years while Windows remains my primary OS, but I would like to go into Linux support (client or server-side) sometime in the near future. I've considered taking the Linux+ exam in order to certify my skills with the OS. I'll probably follow this up with the Server+ and Security+ exams. Any thoughts/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Rick. ------------------------------ Ricardo R. Rrod_AT_rogers_DOT_com http://leenocks.blogspot.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 5 15:52:59 2007 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:52:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux tech support job In-Reply-To: <30928.13345.qm-0nAJQWU4XIGA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <30928.13345.qm@web60113.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <12873.33123.qm@web61320.mail.yahoo.com> Does this imply that the best 5% of Linux professionals are willing to work for US$14/hr or as low as US$126/wk - US$216/wk? ek --- Fernando Duran wrote: > Hi, > > The company I work for is growing and hiring Linux > gurus for customer technical support. This is all done > remotely thru email (I'm in my pijamas actually), and > I believe an available shift is 9:00 am -12:00 noon > EST. > > Details: > http://forums.rimuhosting.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195 > > > Regards, > > Fernando > > --------------------- > Fernando Duran > http://www.fduran.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From paul-fQIO8zZcxYtFkWKT+BUv2w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 5 16:12:36 2007 From: paul-fQIO8zZcxYtFkWKT+BUv2w at public.gmane.org (Paul Nash) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 11:12:36 -0500 Subject: Linux tech support job In-Reply-To: <12873.33123.qm-CmWagIz1kFSA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <12873.33123.qm@web61320.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >Does this imply that the best 5% of Linux professionals are willing >to work for US$14/hr or as low as US$126/wk - US$216/wk? No, it implies: 1. Someone has a strange idea of what "best" means 2. Someone is smoking something that they shouldn't 3. Someone wants to tell the world that they have "the best 5%", while employing kids from grades 1 through 5 4. Someone's support business is about to run out of staff soon. 5. All of the above. paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 5 16:57:41 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 11:57:41 -0500 Subject: Linux tech support job In-Reply-To: References: <12873.33123.qm@web61320.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200703051157.42246.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Monday 05 March 2007, Paul Nash wrote: > >Does this imply that the best 5% of Linux professionals are > > willing to work for US$14/hr or as low as US$126/wk - US$216/wk? > > No, it implies: > > 1. Someone has a strange idea of what "best" means > > 2. Someone is smoking something that they shouldn't > > 3. Someone wants to tell the world that they have "the best 5%", > while employing kids from grades 1 through 5 > > 4. Someone's support business is about to run out of staff soon. 5. Someone doesn't know that they can hire five support people in India, Moldova, Bulgaria, or Ukraine, or seven in the Phillipines, for a total of $14/hour :) -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rrod-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 5 17:07:51 2007 From: rrod-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (R.R.) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 12:07:51 -0500 Subject: Linux tech support job In-Reply-To: <200703051157.42246.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200703051157.42246.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20070305170807.5E10D3075B@rock.ss.org> 6. Someone doesn't believe in keeping jobs at home (Canada), and not having to resort to outsourcing every time IT "resources" are needed. On a side note, I'd like to point out that if companies that outsource are looking to save money, they should consider off-shoring their own managers - Those $100,000/year salaries could use a little 'slimming down'. :) - Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of CLIFFORD ILKAY Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:58 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Linux tech support job On Monday 05 March 2007, Paul Nash wrote: > >Does this imply that the best 5% of Linux professionals are > > willing to work for US$14/hr or as low as US$126/wk - US$216/wk? > > No, it implies: > > 1. Someone has a strange idea of what "best" means > > 2. Someone is smoking something that they shouldn't > > 3. Someone wants to tell the world that they have "the best 5%", > while employing kids from grades 1 through 5 > > 4. Someone's support business is about to run out of staff soon. 5. Someone doesn't know that they can hire five support people in India, Moldova, Bulgaria, or Ukraine, or seven in the Phillipines, for a total of $14/hour :) -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From paul-fQIO8zZcxYtFkWKT+BUv2w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 5 17:19:52 2007 From: paul-fQIO8zZcxYtFkWKT+BUv2w at public.gmane.org (Paul Nash) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 12:19:52 -0500 Subject: Linux tech support job In-Reply-To: <20070305170807.5E10D3075B-JcsaL2wEbRNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20070305170807.5E10D3075B@rock.ss.org> Message-ID: >On a side note, I'd like to point out that if companies that outsource are >looking to save money, they should consider off-shoring their managers - >Those $100,000/year salaries could use a little 'slimming down'. :) Get real. Who do you think makes the decisions about what jobs have to go? One place that I worked had to cut the salarty budget, so immediately appointed 3 new SVPs to manage the process, and ended up firing all the tech staff two months later. I ended up buying a lot of nice equipment at the fire-sale six months later when the company ran out of customers :-) paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rrod-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 5 18:00:22 2007 From: rrod-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (R.R.) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:00:22 -0500 Subject: Linux tech support job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070305180036.7A03E3075B@rock.ss.org> I'm not referring to the exec's. It's the middle managers I was referring to...Apologies if my post wasn't as clear as it should have been. I love hearing about these hoity-toity companies/execs who think that outsourcing IT staff is the "way to go" - Cut jobs, save money and make the share holders happy - and then end up realizing that their "plan" didn't go so well after all (i.e. Microsoft, Apple) - Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Paul Nash Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:20 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Linux tech support job >On a side note, I'd like to point out that if companies that outsource are >looking to save money, they should consider off-shoring their managers - >Those $100,000/year salaries could use a little 'slimming down'. :) Get real. Who do you think makes the decisions about what jobs have to go? One place that I worked had to cut the salarty budget, so immediately appointed 3 new SVPs to manage the process, and ended up firing all the tech staff two months later. I ended up buying a lot of nice equipment at the fire-sale six months later when the company ran out of customers :-) paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 5 18:15:11 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:15:11 -0500 Subject: Linux tech support job In-Reply-To: <20070305170807.5E10D3075B-JcsaL2wEbRNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20070305170807.5E10D3075B@rock.ss.org> Message-ID: <200703051315.12568.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Monday 05 March 2007, R.R. wrote: > 6. Someone doesn't believe in keeping jobs at home (Canada), and > not having to resort to outsourcing every time IT "resources" are > needed. From an economic efficiency perspective, it is valuable to have alternative sources for services. The growth of India's IT industry is a *good* thing for us. First, if a company can achieve lower costs through hiring lower-cost employees in India than in Canada, it has the option of lowering its prices, which is good for consumers, or providing a greater return to its shareholders, which creates wealth. Second, it creates economic opportunities in India, which increases demand for products and services, some of which we will meet. That's the whole point of trade. It's not a one way street. We're perfectly happy to exploit "Third World" countries if we're the net beneficiaries but heaven forbid that they grow up one day and start competing against us. Third, it forces the IT industry here to be more competitive and competition improves the breed. Weaker players will be shaken out of the industry and the cycle will start anew. "Competitive" doesn't necessarily mean "lower cost". It could also mean "more innovative". Having said that, whether a company can really achieve lower costs by outsourcing to India isn't clear at all. The results have been mixed. Many companies have found that they have had to create an entirely new layer of management just to manage the offshore development teams. I know from personal experience that it's a big challenge but that doesn't mean it can't be done. > On a side note, I'd like to point out that if companies that > outsource are looking to save money, they should consider > off-shoring their own managers - Those $100,000/year salaries could > use a little 'slimming down'. :) How do you know that isn't being done? Telecom is close to zero cost today so anything that doesn't require a physical presence can and is being shifted to lower cost places, like India. In fact, it's not even just services that don't require a physical presence. There is a growing "medical tourism" industry in India and South Africa. Already, Indian accountants are doing tax returns for North Americans and Indian radiologists are reading X rays, CAT scans, MRIs, and sonograms for North American hospitals. You can be sure that a radiologist in India wouldn't be paid anything close to what a radiologist in the U.S. or Canada would be paid. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 5 18:25:42 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:25:42 -0500 Subject: Debian Apache2 issue Message-ID: <45EC60A6.8000206@alteeve.com> Hi all, I've got Debian Etch (Testing) running Apache 2.2.3. In the VH container I have the line: ErrorLog /var/www/borked.domain.com/logs/error.log There are no errors when I start Apache so I assume this is fine. I've made sure that the file exists and is in a directory that the file is in is owned by and writable by 'www-apache'. Still, despite all this, the VH domain writes to '/var/log/apache2/error.log' instead. I didn't have this problem before under Etch using the same config (I think, at least) until I reinstalled Debian a couple of weeks ago. Has anyone run into this? Any idea what I might be doing wrong? Here is my full VH container, it's the only domain (running on my personal computer) which I use for development: -=-=-=-=- file: [/etc/apache2/sites-available/default] -=-=-=-=- NameVirtualHost * ServerAdmin digimer-9IKiO1iGCm/QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org ServerName borked.domain.com DocumentRoot /var/www/borked.domain.com/html Options FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews AllowOverride None Order allow,deny allow from all ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /var/www/borked.domain.com/cgi-bin/ AllowOverride None Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch Order allow,deny Allow from all ErrorLog /var/www/borked.domain.com/logs/error.log # Possible values include: debug, info, notice, warn, error, crit, # alert, emerg. LogLevel warn CustomLog /var/www/borked.domain.com/logs/access.log combined ServerSignature On Alias /doc/ "/usr/share/doc/" Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order deny,allow Deny from all Allow from 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 ::1/128 -=-=-=-=- Thanks! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 5 22:24:39 2007 From: matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:24:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux+ Certification In-Reply-To: <20070305031641.E1A6B2F308-JcsaL2wEbRNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20070305031641.E1A6B2F308@rock.ss.org> Message-ID: <45018.65.113.40.130.1173133479.squirrel@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> Hi Rick, I've never taken the Linux+ exam, but I did just finish the Red Hat Certified Technician. It is technically vendor-specific, but most of the info is useful regardless of the distro. The exam is a practical one, not the usual multiple-guess kind. It was pretty challenging, in that the material is covered in the course leading up to the exam, but the emphasis on objectives is pretty even, so you don't know what could be the BIG questions on the exam. I found that it helps to have some comfortability with Linux in general, and any admin experience will hold you in good stead. As for the career benefit, I only passed on Friday, so I haven't seen any benefit yet other than a kudos from my boss. Hope that helps! Matt > Hi All, > > I'm just wondering if anyone out there who has actually taken this exam, > or > is currently preparing for it can share some of their experiences (i.e. > What > materials were used to prepare? Was it easy/hard? What were some of the > tougher questions on the exam? Was the cert. was worth it? Has your career > scope opened up since taking the cert?) > > I've been using Linux casually for about 8 years while Windows remains my > primary OS, but I would like to go into Linux support (client or > server-side) sometime in the near future. I've considered taking the > Linux+ > exam in order to certify my skills with the OS. I'll probably follow this > up > with the Server+ and Security+ exams. > > Any thoughts/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Rick. > > ------------------------------ > Ricardo R. > Rrod_AT_rogers_DOT_com > http://leenocks.blogspot.com > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From alain_rochon-C2V98wQY+d4 at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 5 22:53:13 2007 From: alain_rochon-C2V98wQY+d4 at public.gmane.org (Alain Rochon) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:53:13 -0500 Subject: Linux video conferencing software In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703031708i22689894r6df6ee918a65fa27-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703031708i22689894r6df6ee918a65fa27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Sy Ali Sent: March 3, 2007 8:09 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Re:Linux video conferencing software On 3/2/07, Peter P. wrote: > Asterisk knows how to organize SIP video conferences. Hmm, that might be over my head, but i'll note it. By the way, your email client is very broken, and doesn't honour threading. =/ This just hit my mailbox http://www.dlinktv.com/. Check out the i2eye home video phone. It may not be a Linux solution but it may be attractive to your company. Alain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/710 - Release Date: 04/03/2007 1:58 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 05/03/2007 9:41 AM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 5 23:33:37 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:33:37 -0500 Subject: Linux video conferencing software In-Reply-To: References: <1e55af990703031708i22689894r6df6ee918a65fa27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990703051533x4f303630j96fccd4dd727eea0@mail.gmail.com> On 3/5/07, Alain Rochon wrote: > This just hit my mailbox http://www.dlinktv.com/. Check out the i2eye home > video phone. It may not be a Linux solution but it may be attractive to > your company. That website requires flash 8, which I can't view in konqueror and which crashes firefox. =) http://www.i-2-eye.com works, though. It says: H.323 Compliant for Interoperability with other IP Videoconferencing Devices But there is no mention of doing actual video conferencing. I want to be able to view several people at once. =/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 6 00:07:05 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:07:05 -0500 Subject: Debian Apache2 issue In-Reply-To: <45EC60A6.8000206-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45EC60A6.8000206@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200703051907.06165.softquake@gmail.com> Madison, There is a change in newest versions of apache regarding how it handles virtual domains. My answer is probably not going to help much but treat that as a hint to where attention should be directed. I had a bit similar problem a week or so ago. What though I can say now only is that the solution that was working in my case is that I put _all_ domains into virtual section. zb. On Monday 05 March 2007 13:25, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got Debian Etch (Testing) running Apache 2.2.3. In the VH > container I have the line: > > ErrorLog /var/www/borked.domain.com/logs/error.log > > There are no errors when I start Apache so I assume this is fine. > I've made sure that the file exists and is in a directory that the file > is in is owned by and writable by 'www-apache'. Still, despite all this, > the VH domain writes to '/var/log/apache2/error.log' instead. > > I didn't have this problem before under Etch using the same config (I > think, at least) until I reinstalled Debian a couple of weeks ago. Has > anyone run into this? Any idea what I might be doing wrong? > > Here is my full VH container, it's the only domain (running on my > personal computer) which I use for development: > > -=-=-=-=- file: [/etc/apache2/sites-available/default] -=-=-=-=- > NameVirtualHost * > > ServerAdmin digimer-9IKiO1iGCm/QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org > > ServerName borked.domain.com > > DocumentRoot /var/www/borked.domain.com/html > > Options FollowSymLinks > AllowOverride None > > > Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews > AllowOverride None > Order allow,deny > allow from all > > > ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /var/www/borked.domain.com/cgi-bin/ > > AllowOverride None > Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > ErrorLog /var/www/borked.domain.com/logs/error.log > > # Possible values include: debug, info, notice, warn, error, crit, > # alert, emerg. > LogLevel warn > > CustomLog /var/www/borked.domain.com/logs/access.log combined > ServerSignature On > > Alias /doc/ "/usr/share/doc/" > > Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks > AllowOverride None > Order deny,allow > Deny from all > Allow from 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 ::1/128 > > > > -=-=-=-=- > > Thanks! > > Madison > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 6 05:12:52 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:12:52 -0500 Subject: OT: kinomesh wireless group Message-ID: <45ECF854.2090908@utoronto.ca> Do you lie awake at night pondering the ethereal mysteries of the radio ether? Transform these feverish dreams! Join us for the inaugural meeting of the kinomesh wireless group. Time: 7:00pm, Friday, March 9, 2007 Location: Linuxcaffe at 326 Harbord Street. Our initial framework revolves around - open spectrum 802.11 a,b,g,n technologies - developing multi-radio, multi-spectrum platforms using embedded Linux - exploring suitable hardware platforms, external enclosures, antennas - constructing wireless mesh nodes and network architecture - developing network management, test networks and troubleshooting tools - exploring static & mobile mesh routing protocols e.g. OSPF, SMESH, etc Creative ideas, social networking, and robust conversation of a technical nature are aggressively encouraged. So far there will me 3 people there, myself and 2 others, one of whom is recently back from Beijing having worked extensively with Strix hardware for Beijing's EMS and Government mesh. Hopefully this meeting will be the first of many, so hope to see a few TLUG'ers there. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 6 17:20:09 2007 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John M. Moniz) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:20:09 -0500 Subject: /dev/dsp missing In-Reply-To: <20070302193915.GE29618-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <45E87475.6090007@sympatico.ca> <7ac602420703021124j5c782e07w37843fdb49105a36@mail.gmail.com> <45E87D8D.4030004@sympatico.ca> <20070302193915.GE29618@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <45EDA2C9.4090709@sympatico.ca> Neil Watson wrote: > On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 02:39:57PM -0500, John M. Moniz wrote: > >> Interesting. The missing audio mixer and /dev/dsp came from the >> trouble shooting steps in the configuration tool. > > > Most likely you need to ensure that the old OSS compatible kernel > modules are loaded: > > Module Size Used by > snd_pcm_oss 38368 0 snd_mixer_oss 15200 1 > snd_pcm_oss > It turns out that the problem was a hardware one. I moved the card to another PCI slot and it worked, /dev/dsp appeared and the mixer errors disappeared. It's great to have live CDs to work from, it showed that the sound card didn't work in any configuration. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 6 14:51:56 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:51:56 -0500 Subject: kate without KDE Message-ID: <1e55af990703060651x2d244645hbb79af03926f02f9@mail.gmail.com> I'm switching back to blackbox and experiencing the wonderous wonderfulness that is a fast desktop experience. But I miss kate, and I want to use it again. Except kate's hotkeys don't work. All the internal stuff works, like control-u to uppercase. But I bound 'activate next/prev tab' to control-tab and shift-control-tab and that won't work. Many other hotkeys work, but 'activate next/prev tab' won't, nomatter what my preferences are set to. What gives? Is this because i'm not running kwin and some kind of shortcut key manager? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 02:15:09 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:15:09 -0500 Subject: ACM (Association for Computing Machinery), anyone member, or member of similar - how useful? Message-ID: <1173233709.4897.357.camel@stan64.site> Just got a junk-mail to join ACM, and normally for past X number of years, just trashed it, but bored and waiting for dinner to be served, I read the mail, and for a few dollars you get access to many books in their digital library. Anyone a member of ACM or something similar, and can comment on the true usefulness of it? -tl -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 02:23:52 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:23:52 -0500 Subject: What's the story about Slack 11? Message-ID: <45EDDBE8.29625.A81049@sciguy.vex.net> I downloaded a DVD ISO (bittorrent) of Slack 11, and I can't seem to boot from it. Anyone else have the same problem? Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price at utoronto.ca Wed Mar 7 03:04:59 2007 From: matt.price at utoronto.ca (Matt Price) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:04:59 -0500 Subject: make-kpkg makes HUGE kernel packages?? Message-ID: <1173236699.21104.9.camel@localhost> i, i'm having a problem using make-kpkg to build kernel packages on my laptop, which runs ubuntu feisty and currently has make-kpkg version 10.065ubuntu4. this happens with upstream, debian, and ubuntu sources, as far as I can tell, but most of my experimentation has been with ubuntu's linux-source package. has anyone ever heard of anything like this? the vmlinuz produced by the package is of normal size, but the initrd is huge -- 43 megs! -- and /lib/modules/kernel-version-number/ is on the order of 530 megs!!! obviously a half-gig-sized kernel package is not optimal, i'd very much like to figure out what's going on here... also i should say that the after the build process, the source directory becomes enormous -- 2.7 gigs with ubuntu's 2.6.20 as opposed to a more restrained 700megs back in the old days. so, if anyone's seen anything like this before... please let mek now! thanks, matt -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price at utoronto.ca -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 04:42:14 2007 From: dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org (David C. chipman) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:42:14 -0500 Subject: ACM (Association for Computing Machinery), anyone member, or member of similar - how useful? In-Reply-To: <1173233709.4897.357.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <1173233709.4897.357.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <20070306234214.76fc6dc2@david.chipman> Hi tl, Back when I had a job I was a member of the ACM. I found much of the stuff discussed in "The Communications of" to be over my head, but occasionally interesting. I didn't use the on-line library as much as I thought I might, again, it was over my head, and esoteric. However, if that's what you want, and you end up finding it useful, then go ahead! Later, -David Chipman -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rrod-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 05:29:04 2007 From: rrod-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (R.R.) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 00:29:04 -0500 Subject: ACM (Association for Computing Machinery), anyone member, or member of similar - how useful? In-Reply-To: <20070306234214.76fc6dc2-lQMCrfjKGrJ3Ex1Y5TzZUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070306234214.76fc6dc2@david.chipman> Message-ID: <20070307052919.9828E2F0FD@rock.ss.org> Hi, What kind of papers or essays would one expect to find in the Library of the ACM? Do you have any examples or snippets? Thx - Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of David C. chipman Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:42 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: ACM (Association for Computing Machinery), anyone member, or member of similar - how useful? Hi tl, Back when I had a job I was a member of the ACM. I found much of the stuff discussed in "The Communications of" to be over my head, but occasionally interesting. I didn't use the on-line library as much as I thought I might, again, it was over my head, and esoteric. However, if that's what you want, and you end up finding it useful, then go ahead! Later, -David Chipman -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 05:57:04 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 00:57:04 -0500 Subject: ACM (Association for Computing Machinery), anyone member, or member of similar - how useful? In-Reply-To: <20070307052919.9828E2F0FD-JcsaL2wEbRNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20070307052919.9828E2F0FD@rock.ss.org> Message-ID: <1173247024.4897.398.camel@stan64.site> they are not overly specific, thats what worries me >From their flyer .. Free and unlimited access to nearly 1000 online books inc. 500 Safari Ent., O'Reilly, Cisco Press, and Addison Wesly Free and unlimited access to 1200 online course via Thomson NETg they dont give specifics about any particular book, just broad subject categories. have to check out the web site, maybe they give more info one hates to sign up, then find out what they give is already free if you dig, or maybe its slightly outdated stuff. must be that ACM gets rights to put some authors books online for a fee, on that note RMS is probably not a member of ACM ;) if no member can post current insight (may no one on list is current member), i will dig deeper, maybe even risk a years membership. -tl On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 00:29 -0500, R.R. wrote: > Hi, > > What kind of papers or essays would one expect to find in the Library of the > ACM? Do you have any examples or snippets? > > Thx > > - Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of David C. > chipman > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:42 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: ACM (Association for Computing Machinery), anyone > member, or member of similar - how useful? > > Hi tl, > > Back when I had a job I was a member of the ACM. I > found much of the stuff discussed in "The Communications of" to be over > my head, but occasionally interesting. I didn't use the on-line library > as much as I thought I might, again, it was over my head, and esoteric. > However, if that's what you want, and you end up finding it useful, > then go ahead! Later, > > -David Chipman > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 08:02:18 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 03:02:18 -0500 Subject: Our world ending? - ESR 2008 deadline, interesting read (if havn't) Message-ID: <1173254538.4897.419.camel@stan64.site> http://catb.org/~esr/writings/world-domination/world-domination-201.html I think he wrong however, i think in North America MS will be still sailing along strong for 4-5 years, and outside NA Linux will grow at a alarming pace, then when its time for windows2012, then NA may flip. I think most people will "64bit HW & Vista" by end of 2008 no matter how crappy ass it might be, but I don't think that in anyway makes it harder for Linux to kick ass later, at least not near the extent ESR paints. His mention of the next killer app. perhaps having a impact on domination ... i am not sure there will be a must have killer app. that would cause a massive change in what OS you use .. at least not anytime soon. Perhaps if someone came out with a proprietry app. that only ran on Linux that always processed your spam correctly , never a false positve/negative :) The problem with a killer app. if on Linux first and likely FLOSS, it would be on OSX and Win32/64 in a blink of an eye, so I am not sure the killer app. unless its core to the working of Linux-kernel/X11/kde/gnome (something not easily migrated out of a linux distro) would win the day for Linux. Gotta give ESR a A+ for research and trend analysis in the article however. -tl -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From raffaele.morelli at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 08:48:58 2007 From: raffaele.morelli at gmail.com (Raffaele Morelli) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:48:58 +0100 Subject: make-kpkg makes HUGE kernel packages?? In-Reply-To: <1173236699.21104.9.camel@localhost> References: <1173236699.21104.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: hi > obviously a half-gig-sized kernel package is not optimal, i'd very much > like to figure out what's going on here... also i should say that the > after the build process, the source directory becomes enormous -- 2.7 > gigs with ubuntu's 2.6.20 as opposed to a more restrained 700megs back > in the old days. > > so, if anyone's seen anything like this before... please let mek now! > thanks, > > matt never seen before... on debian ;-) I frequently recompile kernel, recently with 2.6.18 sources, but source dir is around 500-600Mb, initrd.img and vmlinuz range are ~4.5Mb and ~1.5Mb respectively. I think you need Manoj Srivastava help fot this cheers -- > Matt Price > History Dept > University of Toronto > matt.price at utoronto.ca > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 09:10:13 2007 From: slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slackrat) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:10:13 +0100 Subject: What's the story about Slack 11? In-Reply-To: <45EDDBE8.29625.A81049-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> (Paul King's message of "Tue\, 06 Mar 2007 21\:23\:52 -0500") References: <45EDDBE8.29625.A81049@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <87k5xte7wq.fsf@azurservers.com> * "Paul King" a ?crit > I downloaded a DVD ISO (bittorrent) of Slack 11, and I can't seem to boot from > it. Anyone else have the same problem? > Try grabbing a different ISO, or an ISO from a different mirror. Sounds like the isoLinux section of the iso is b0rked -- Regards, Slackrat [Bill Henderson] [No _4Q_ for direct email] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 10:20:35 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: kate without KDE References: <1e55af990703060651x2d244645hbb79af03926f02f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sy Ali writes: > What gives? Is this because i'm not running kwin and some kind of > shortcut key manager? In an integrated desktop like KDE some events are trapped by the desktop and then sent on to the application if need be. Focus change events for sure. I don't know what kate expects for those events. When used stand alone it may still expect to receive certain events from the integration daemon and not as straight keypresses from the input device. Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-G8usDCtqe957Ar2qsurDTA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 12:28:31 2007 From: tlug-G8usDCtqe957Ar2qsurDTA at public.gmane.org (Allen Taylor) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:28:31 -0500 Subject: What's the story about Slack 11? In-Reply-To: <45EDDBE8.29625.A81049-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <45EDDBE8.29625.A81049@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <20070307122831.GA30632@thecat.localnet> On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 09:23:52PM -0500, Paul King wrote: > I downloaded a DVD ISO (bittorrent) of Slack 11, and I can't seem to boot from > it. Anyone else have the same problem? > Most of my Slack 11 boxes got there via an upgrade from 10.x rather than from a cold install from the DVD. I'm pretty sure I've done at least one direct from the DVD though. I had no problems that I remember from the DVD. I would concur with suggestion to try re-downloading it or re-burning it. I had some problems a couple of years ago in burning bootable CDs and DVDs that turned out to be a bad DVD writer (so much for buying a cheap re-furb). Allen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 12:51:03 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:51:03 -0500 Subject: make-kpkg makes HUGE kernel packages?? In-Reply-To: <1173236699.21104.9.camel@localhost> References: <1173236699.21104.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <7ac602420703070451q7cfe4039x9799be11b797c924@mail.gmail.com> I've never used make-kpkg before, so this is a shot in the dark, but it sounds like you're building every module under the sun, or something similar. Can you modify the .config file that's used when make-kpkg builds the kernel? Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 13:26:26 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:26:26 -0500 Subject: kate without KDE In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703060651x2d244645hbb79af03926f02f9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703060651x2d244645hbb79af03926f02f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45EEBD82.5090801@utoronto.ca> Sy Ali wrote: > I'm switching back to blackbox and experiencing the wonderous > wonderfulness that is a fast desktop experience. > > But I miss kate, and I want to use it again. > > Except kate's hotkeys don't work. All the internal stuff works, like > control-u to uppercase. > > But I bound 'activate next/prev tab' to control-tab and > shift-control-tab and that won't work. > > Many other hotkeys work, but 'activate next/prev tab' won't, nomatter > what my preferences are set to. > > What gives? Is this because i'm not running kwin and some kind of > shortcut key manager? Check to see if dcop is running. If not, try starting it with "dcopserver". It handles much of the underlying operations of the KDE desktop from what I can tell, passing data and commands from one app to another. If you run "dcop" you should see a list of all your KDE/QT apps running. From there you can specify the app and so on, e.g. "dcop amarok player play" (with amarok running) will play your currently queued track. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 14:14:36 2007 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:14:36 -0500 Subject: ACM (Association for Computing Machinery), anyone member, or member of similar - how useful? In-Reply-To: <20070307052919.9828E2F0FD-JcsaL2wEbRNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20070306234214.76fc6dc2@david.chipman> <20070307052919.9828E2F0FD@rock.ss.org> Message-ID: <20070307141436.GA3042@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> To get a sense of what the ACM provides, visit http://acmqueue.com/ and read the articles there. You'll see a mix of pretty hard-core comp sci stuff with some pretty hard-core implementation theory. The ACM is the Association for Computing Machinery, so if you are a computing machine, this might be right up your alley. (Only half joking.) If your are only interested in the ACM library you are better off investigation a researcher membership at U of T. The library provides all the ACM materials and much, much more. Of course, you don't get the cool acm.org email :-) -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 14:20:52 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:20:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: IT360 Exhibitor badges. Message-ID: <154617.22194.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Over the next week or so I am going to have to submit a list of exhibitors to the IT360 people. Now in theory this is to cover everyone who is in our booth talking about GTALug, and while I want to supply said badges to all our people, what REALLY concerns me is the people who will be involved in booth set-up/teardown. The only people who will be allowed on to the show floor before/after the show will be those with exhibitor badges. So, let me know if you would like to help with the booth, even if it is just for say an hour, but especially let me know if you want to help with booth set-up/teardown. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 14:50:27 2007 From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:50:27 -0500 Subject: Font size Message-ID: <200703070950.28330.wildberger@cogeco.ca> In HTML documents the 'tt' tag picks up the teletype font. This font is relatively small in relation to the normal text. Any linux distro has hundreds of font related files. Does anybody know which one is responsible for the teletype font ?. My wishful thinking is to replace this font with a better (larger) one. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 14:51:25 2007 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:51:25 -0500 Subject: What's the story about Slack 11? In-Reply-To: <45EDDBE8.29625.A81049-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <45EDDBE8.29625.A81049@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <1f13df280703070651p66e57bb7hff399a7ba7f264a@mail.gmail.com> On 3/6/07, Paul King wrote: > I downloaded a DVD ISO (bittorrent) of Slack 11, and I can't seem to boot from > it. Anyone else have the same problem? Sorry to be a pedant, but the first thing I'd try - after I'd burned it and it had failed, I would have done that too - is to go get an md5sum from an ftp site and check it. If the .iso on your HD is sound, try running md5sum against the DVD itself (I've done it but it's been a while ... I think you just do "md5sum /dev/dvd" with the device unmounted?). -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 14:59:52 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:59:52 -0500 Subject: Font size In-Reply-To: <200703070950.28330.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200703070950.28330.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <7ac602420703070659o65899cf1g5ae77d58ad89909f@mail.gmail.com> On 3/7/07, John Wildberger wrote: > In HTML documents the 'tt' tag picks up the teletype font. This font is > relatively small in relation to the normal text. Any linux distro has > hundreds of font related files. Does anybody know which one is responsible > for the teletype font ?. > My wishful thinking is to replace this font with a better (larger) one. If you use a Mozilla browser, you can set the tt font in the Preferences dialogue. In Firefox 2, it's under Edit -> Preferences, then in the Content tab there's a section named "Fonts & Colors". Click Advanced and change the Monospace font to something that suits you. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 15:01:39 2007 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:01:39 -0500 Subject: kate without KDE In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703060651x2d244645hbb79af03926f02f9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703060651x2d244645hbb79af03926f02f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280703070701v3feab69fxb6948f6fe8564791@mail.gmail.com> Hi Sy. On 3/6/07, Sy Ali wrote: > I'm switching back to blackbox and experiencing the wonderous > wonderfulness that is a fast desktop experience. > > But I miss kate, and I want to use it again. > > Except kate's hotkeys don't work. All the internal stuff works, like > control-u to uppercase. > > But I bound 'activate next/prev tab' to control-tab and > shift-control-tab and that won't work. > > Many other hotkeys work, but 'activate next/prev tab' won't, nomatter > what my preferences are set to. > > What gives? Is this because i'm not running kwin and some kind of > shortcut key manager? Take a look at what keys bbkeys is trapping: I'll bet it's using the keys you thought were being passed to Kate. I had the same problem with Fluxbox and and jpilot: Fluxbox thought "F1" should pop up the Window Manager help screen so it didn't pass the signal to the app. In that case I also think the help screen was borked, so I never saw anything when I pressed F1 and didn't know for a long time why it didn't work. At this point I've reassigned pretty much all the WM hotkeys to the Windows key - I use WinKey- to change desktops, WinKey-P to pull up a Program menu (dmenu from wmii :-) etc., etc. It takes a while to adjust to, but greatly reduces key conflicts. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 15:15:42 2007 From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:15:42 -0500 Subject: Font size In-Reply-To: <7ac602420703070659o65899cf1g5ae77d58ad89909f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200703070950.28330.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <7ac602420703070659o65899cf1g5ae77d58ad89909f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200703071015.42491.wildberger@cogeco.ca> On Wednesday 07 March 2007 09:59, Ian Petersen wrote: > On 3/7/07, John Wildberger wrote: > > In HTML documents the 'tt' tag picks up the teletype font. This font is > > relatively small in relation to the normal text. Any linux distro has > > hundreds of font related files. Does anybody know which one is > > responsible for the teletype font ?. > > My wishful thinking is to replace this font with a better (larger) one. > > If you use a Mozilla browser, you can set the tt font in the > Preferences dialogue. In Firefox 2, it's under Edit -> Preferences, > then in the Content tab there's a section named "Fonts & Colors". > Click Advanced and change the Monospace font to something that suits > you. > > Ian Thanks for your suggestion. Unfortunately a change to Monospace (or any other ) affects all the text, not just the one called for by the 'tt' tag. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 16:16:07 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:16:07 -0500 Subject: IT360 Exhibitor badges. In-Reply-To: <154617.22194.qm-PUkK9LDfIAyB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <154617.22194.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45EEE547.6040500@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > Over the next week or so I am going to have to submit > a list of exhibitors to the IT360 people. > > Are they accepting registrations yet? Every time I've tried to register, they're only accepting requested to be notified when registration starts. They seem to be having problems getting their act together again. Last year registration was very late as well, which hurts those who want to attend, as well as exhibitors. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From brandon-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 16:19:39 2007 From: brandon-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:19:39 -0500 Subject: Font size In-Reply-To: <200703071015.42491.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200703070950.28330.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <7ac602420703070659o65899cf1g5ae77d58ad89909f@mail.gmail.com> <200703071015.42491.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <45EEE61B.6020008@tri-coder.org> John Wildberger wrote: > On Wednesday 07 March 2007 09:59, Ian Petersen wrote: > >> On 3/7/07, John Wildberger wrote: >> >>> In HTML documents the 'tt' tag picks up the teletype font. This font is >>> relatively small in relation to the normal text. Any linux distro has >>> hundreds of font related files. Does anybody know which one is >>> responsible for the teletype font ?. >>> My wishful thinking is to replace this font with a better (larger) one. >>> >> If you use a Mozilla browser, you can set the tt font in the >> Preferences dialogue. In Firefox 2, it's under Edit -> Preferences, >> then in the Content tab there's a section named "Fonts & Colors". >> Click Advanced and change the Monospace font to something that suits >> you. >> >> Ian >> > Thanks for your suggestion. Unfortunately a change to Monospace (or any > other ) affects all the text, not just the one called for by the 'tt' tag. > John > If you are using FireFox or Mozilla, then you should be able to apply user-defined css styles to the pages you view. You could use this to change the font specifically for the tag. Brandon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 16:26:27 2007 From: jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:26:27 -0500 Subject: Ide drive /yes/not recognized Message-ID: <45EEE7B3.9060802@totaltravelmarketing.com> Hi All I have this new machine that comes with dual core, it has 3 ide connector, one it's the default, already connected to a DVDrom (hdb), and one IDE master drive (hda), where I installed a dual boot with Suse 10.2 and Centos 4.4, I have installed another IDE (hdf SUse)aside of another SATA (sda) drive on this machine, Suse recognizes the 3 drives + dvd, Centos only recognizes the primary master IDE, DVD, and SATA drive, but does not recognizes the second IDE, I have no idea why it would happen on the Centos side, I connected a usb drive while on Centos and it recognized it within seconds. I would appreciate any help, thanks in advance! I am attaching what I get from DMESG on the Centos bootup: ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx ICH7: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:1f.1 ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1f.1[A] -> GSI 22 (level, low) -> IRQ 209 ICH7: chipset revision 1 ICH7: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0xffa0-0xffa7, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA ide1: BM-DMA at 0xffa8-0xffaf, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio Probing IDE interface ide0... hda: WDC WD1600JB-00REA0, ATA DISK drive hdb: HL-DT-STDVD-RAM GSA-H50N, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive Using cfq io scheduler ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 Probing IDE interface ide1... Probing IDE interface ide1... Probing IDE interface ide2... Probing IDE interface ide3... Probing IDE interface ide4... Probing IDE interface ide5... hda: max request size: 1024KiB hda: 312581808 sectors (160041 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=19457/255/63, UDMA(100) hda: cache flushes supported hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 hdb: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM DVD-R-RAM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(66) Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 ide-floppy driver 0.99.newide usbcore: registered new driver hiddev usbcore: registered new driver usbhid drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.0:USB HID core driver mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice md: md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27 NET: Registered protocol family 2 IP route cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) TCP established hash table entries: 262144 (order: 9, 2097152 bytes) TCP bind hash table entries: 131072 (order: 9, 3670016 bytes) TCP: Hash tables configured (established 262144 bind 131072) Initializing IPsec netlink socket NET: Registered protocol family 1 NET: Registered protocol family 17 ACPI: (supports S0 S1 S3 S4 S5) ACPI wakeup devices: P0P1 P0P3 P0P4 P0P5 P0P6 P0P7 P0P8 P0P9 UAR1 USB2 USB3 USB4 MC97 EUSB USB1 Freeing unused kernel memory: 164k freed kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. security: 3 users, 4 roles, 355 types, 26 bools security: 55 classes, 22582 rules SELinux: Completing initialization. SELinux: Setting up existing superblocks. SELinux: initialized (dev hda2, type ext3), uses xattr SELinux: initialized (dev tmpfs, type tmpfs), uses transition SIDs SELinux: initialized (dev selinuxfs, type selinuxfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev mqueue, type mqueue), not configured for labeling SELinux: initialized (dev hugetlbfs, type hugetlbfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev devpts, type devpts), uses transition SIDs SELinux: initialized (dev eventpollfs, type eventpollfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev pipefs, type pipefs), uses task SIDs SELinux: initialized (dev tmpfs, type tmpfs), uses transition SIDs SELinux: initialized (dev futexfs, type futexfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev sockfs, type sockfs), uses task SIDs SELinux: initialized (dev proc, type proc), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev bdev, type bdev), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev rootfs, type rootfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev sysfs, type sysfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev usbfs, type usbfs), uses genfs_contexts SCSI subsystem initialized libata version 1.20 loaded. ata_piix 0000:00:1f.2: version 1.05 ata_piix 0000:00:1f.2: MAP [ P0 P2 P1 P3 ] ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1f.2[B] -> GSI 23 (level, low) -> IRQ 217 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.2 to 64 ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x9800 ctl 0x9402 bmdma 0x8400 irq 217 ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x9000 ctl 0x8802 bmdma 0x8408 irq 217 ata1: SATA port has no device. scsi0 : ata_piix ata2: dev 1 cfg 49:2f00 82:746b 83:7f61 84:4023 85:7469 86:3c41 87:4023 88:207f ata2: dev 1 ATA-7, max UDMA/133, 625142448 sectors: LBA48 ata2: dev 1 configured for UDMA/133 scsi1 : ata_piix Vendor: ATA Model: WDC WD3200KS-00P Rev: 21.0 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05 inserting floppy driver for 2.6.9-42.0.8.EL SCSI device sda: 625142448 512-byte hdwr sectors (320073 MB) SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back SCSI device sda: 625142448 512-byte hdwr sectors (320073 MB) SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back sda: unknown partition table Attached scsi disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 floppy0: no floppy controllers found ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:00.0[A] -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 177 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:02:00.0 to 64 sky2 v1.1 addr 0xcfefc000 irq 177 Yukon-EC (0xb6) rev 2 divert: allocating divert_blk for eth0 sky2 eth0: addr 00:18:f3:1a:27:ee MSI INIT SUCCESS ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1b.0[A] -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 177 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1b.0 to 64 hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC882, trying auto-probe from BIOS... hw_random: RNG not detected ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1d.7[A] -> GSI 20 (level, low) -> IRQ 185 ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: EHCI Host Controller PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.7 to 64 ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: irq 185, pci mem f882a800 SELinux: initialized (dev usbdevfs, type usbdevfs), uses genfs_contexts ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 PCI: cache line size of 32 is not supported by device 0000:00:1d.7 ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: USB 2.0 enabled, EHCI 1.00, driver 2004-May-10 hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 1-0:1.0: 8 ports detected USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.2 ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1d.0[A] -> GSI 20 (level, low) -> IRQ 185 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: UHCI Host Controller PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.0 to 64 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: irq 185, io base 00007000 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 2-0:1.0: 2 ports detected ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1d.1[B] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 193 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: UHCI Host Controller PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.1 to 64 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: irq 193, io base 00007400 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3 hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 3-0:1.0: 2 ports detected ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1d.2[C] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 201 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: UHCI Host Controller PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.2 to 64 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: irq 201, io base 00007800 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4 hub 4-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 4-0:1.0: 2 ports detected ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1d.3[D] -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 177 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.3: UHCI Host Controller PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.3 to 64 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.3: irq 177, io base 00008000 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.3: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 5 hub 5-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 5-0:1.0: 2 ports detected md: Autodetecting RAID arrays. md: autorun ... md: ... autorun DONE. usb 2-2: new low speed USB device using address 2 input: USB HID v1.00 Keyboard [KVM102UW] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-2 input: USB HID v1.00 Mouse [KVM102UW] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-2 SELinux: initialized (dev ramfs, type ramfs), uses genfs_contexts NET: Registered protocol family 10 Disabled Privacy Extensions on device c0384d60(lo) IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver divert: not allocating divert_blk for non-ethernet device sit0 drivers/usb/input/hid-input.c: event field not found drivers/usb/input/hid-input.c: event field not found ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF] EXT3 FS on hda2, internal journal device-mapper: 4.5.0-ioctl (2005-10-04) initialised: dm-devel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org cdrom: open failed. SELinux: initialized (dev tmpfs, type tmpfs), uses transition SIDs vxdmp: module license 'Proprietary. Send bug reports to support-DTz5qymZ9yRBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org' ta ints kernel. VxVM vxdmp V-5-0-34 added disk array OTHER_DISKS, datype = OTHER_DISKS VxVM vxdmp V-5-0-34 added disk array DISKS, datype = Disk VxDMP1: p1 p2 p3 p4 SCSI device sda: 625142448 512-byte hdwr sectors (320073 MB) SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back sda: unknown partition table VxDMP2: unknown partition table vxportal: no version for "vx_free" found: kernel tainted. SELinux: initialized (dev tmpfs, type tmpfs), uses transition SIDs Adding 1534196k swap on /dev/hda3. Priority:-1 extents:1 SELinux: initialized (dev binfmt_misc, type binfmt_misc), uses genfs_contexts IA-32 Microcode Update Driver: v1.14 microcode: No new microdata for cpu 0 IA-32 Microcode Update Driver v1.14 unregistered parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [PCSPP,TRISTATE,EPP] parport0: irq 7 detected ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team ip_conntrack version 2.1 (8189 buckets, 65512 max) - 356 bytes per conntrack sky2 eth0: enabling interface sky2 eth0: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex, flow control both SELinux: initialized (dev rpc_pipefs, type rpc_pipefs), uses genfs_contexts i2c /dev entries driver eth0: no IPv6 routers present ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 17:01:20 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:01:20 -0500 Subject: Ide drive /yes/not recognized In-Reply-To: <45EEE7B3.9060802-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <45EEE7B3.9060802@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <45EEEFE0.7030007@telly.org> Jose wrote: > Hi All > > I have this new machine that comes with dual core, it has 3 ide > connector, one it's the default, already connected to a DVDrom (hdb), > and one IDE master drive (hda), where I installed a dual boot with > Suse 10.2 and Centos 4.4, I have installed another IDE (hdf SUse)aside > of another SATA (sda) drive on this machine, Suse recognizes the 3 > drives + dvd, Centos only recognizes the primary master IDE, DVD, and > SATA drive, but does not recognizes the second IDE, I have no idea > why it would happen on the Centos side, I connected a usb drive while > on Centos and it recognized it within seconds. Hi Jose, Newer dual-core motherboards, notably from Intel, use new IDE controllers that older Linux kernels don't support. This may explain why your SuSE recognized the drive but Centos did not; I have little experiences with recent releases of either. You may find that the Centos "support" for your IDE drives is limited to booting (because of the BIOS) and is not supported in regular operation any more than the IDE hard drive. There is a driver/patch that supports the new systems with Marvell IDE controllers: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/10/16/157 This will provide a kernel module 'pata_marvell' which, when loaded, will recognize the hard drives and other 'conventional' IDE devices (which are now know as Parallel ATA or PATA). What I did was to: 1) Boot and install Linux off an external USB-connected CD-ROM drive 2) Go to the net, download the PATA driver 3) Compile, install and load the module 4) Add it to /etc/modules so that it would be found and loaded automatically on subsequent reboots Or you could just use a distribution/version with a newer kernel that already has the support (as your SuSE apparently does). I hope this helps. As always, YMMV, standard disclaimers apply. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 17:15:24 2007 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:15:24 -0500 Subject: make-kpkg makes HUGE kernel packages?? In-Reply-To: <7ac602420703070451q7cfe4039x9799be11b797c924-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1173236699.21104.9.camel@localhost> <7ac602420703070451q7cfe4039x9799be11b797c924@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1173287724.24903.2.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 07:51 -0500, Ian Petersen wrote: > I've never used make-kpkg before, so this is a shot in the dark, but > it sounds like you're building every module under the sun, or > something similar. Can you modify the .config file that's used when > make-kpkg builds the kernel? > \ yes, i thought of that, but i've looked at the .config of the packages thus produced and they aren't crazy--they're just the standard ubuntu configs modified slightly (in the case of ubuntu's 2.6.20. have to investigate more closely with other flavours). i do find it really weird... matt > Ian > -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 17:41:12 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:41:12 -0500 Subject: make-kpkg makes HUGE kernel packages?? In-Reply-To: <1173287724.24903.2.camel@localhost> References: <1173236699.21104.9.camel@localhost> <7ac602420703070451q7cfe4039x9799be11b797c924@mail.gmail.com> <1173287724.24903.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20070307174112.GX22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 12:15:24PM -0500, Matt Price wrote: > On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 07:51 -0500, Ian Petersen wrote: > > I've never used make-kpkg before, so this is a shot in the dark, but > > it sounds like you're building every module under the sun, or > > something similar. Can you modify the .config file that's used when > > make-kpkg builds the kernel? > > \ > yes, i thought of that, but i've looked at the .config of the packages > thus produced and they aren't crazy--they're just the standard ubuntu > configs modified slightly (in the case of ubuntu's 2.6.20. have to > investigate more closely with other flavours). > > i do find it really weird... I don't even think there is that many modules in the kernel that it could end up that big. Sounds like either 2.6.20 changed something that make-kpkg needs to know about, or there is some other bug happening. Did you check which part of /lib/modules for the package is using all the space? Maybe you can find which files are so big. The only time I ever got a kernel anywhere near that size was when I enabled the full kernel debug symbols, which bloated the kernel about 10x the normal size. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 17:56:28 2007 From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:56:28 -0500 Subject: Font size In-Reply-To: <45EEE61B.6020008-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw@public.gmane.org> References: <200703070950.28330.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <200703071015.42491.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <45EEE61B.6020008@tri-coder.org> Message-ID: <200703071256.28269.wildberger@cogeco.ca> On Wednesday 07 March 2007 11:19, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > John Wildberger wrote: > >>> In HTML documents the 'tt' tag picks up the teletype font. This font > >>> is relatively small in relation to the normal text. Any linux distro > >>> has hundreds of font related files. Does anybody know which one is > >>> responsible for the teletype font ?. > >>> My wishful thinking is to replace this font with a better (larger) > If you are using FireFox or Mozilla, then you should be able to apply > user-defined css styles to the pages you view. You could use this to > change the font specifically for the tag. > > Brandon Thanks Brandon, The user-defined css styles permitted me to change the defined text to what I wanted. Works great !! John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 18:01:10 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:01:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: IT360 Exhibitor badges. In-Reply-To: <45EEE547.6040500-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <45EEE547.6040500@rogers.com> Message-ID: <579510.57954.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- James Knott wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > > Over the next week or so I am going to have to > submit > > a list of exhibitors to the IT360 people. > > > > > > Are they accepting registrations yet? Every time > I've tried to > register, they're only accepting requested to be > notified when > registration starts. They seem to be having > problems getting their act > together again. Last year registration was very > late as well, which > hurts those who want to attend, as well as > exhibitors. I don't know. I do know that they want the exhibitor list by next Wednesday, so that part will have to be running by then :-) . Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 18:22:11 2007 From: jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:22:11 -0500 Subject: Ide drive /yes/not recognized In-Reply-To: <45EEEFE0.7030007-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <45EEE7B3.9060802@totaltravelmarketing.com> <45EEEFE0.7030007@telly.org> Message-ID: <45EF02D3.8010104@totaltravelmarketing.com> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Jose wrote: > >> Hi All >> >> I have this new machine that comes with dual core, it has 3 ide >> connector, one it's the default, already connected to a DVDrom (hdb), >> and one IDE master drive (hda), where I installed a dual boot with >> Suse 10.2 and Centos 4.4, I have installed another IDE (hdf SUse)aside >> of another SATA (sda) drive on this machine, Suse recognizes the 3 >> drives + dvd, Centos only recognizes the primary master IDE, DVD, and >> SATA drive, but does not recognizes the second IDE, I have no idea >> why it would happen on the Centos side, I connected a usb drive while >> on Centos and it recognized it within seconds. >> > Hi Jose, > > Newer dual-core motherboards, notably from Intel, use new IDE > controllers that older Linux kernels don't support. This may explain why > your SuSE recognized the drive but Centos did not; I have little > experiences with recent releases of either. You may find that the Centos > "support" for your IDE drives is limited to booting (because of the > BIOS) and is not supported in regular operation any more than the IDE > hard drive. > > There is a driver/patch that supports the new systems with Marvell IDE > controllers: > http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/10/16/157 > > This will provide a kernel module 'pata_marvell' which, when loaded, > will recognize the hard drives and other 'conventional' IDE devices > (which are now know as Parallel ATA or PATA). > > What I did was to: > 1) Boot and install Linux off an external USB-connected CD-ROM drive > 2) Go to the net, download the PATA driver > 3) Compile, install and load the module > 4) Add it to /etc/modules so that it would be found and loaded > automatically on subsequent reboots > > Or you could just use a distribution/version with a newer kernel that > already has the support (as your SuSE apparently does). > > I hope this helps. As always, YMMV, standard disclaimers apply. > > - Evan > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > Hi Evan, Thanks for your suggestion, that made me check something on the motherboard manual. Looking at the motherboard manual, says that I have to apply a driver for IDE drives from the CDROM it came with it, I guess the guy at the shop didn't install it, I would have to install tonight as the machine is at another location, last night I noticed there is an update for the Centos kernel from their repositories, I would check if this version has the support I need for my machine configuration. Jose -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 20:32:58 2007 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:32:58 -0500 Subject: make-kpkg makes HUGE kernel packages?? In-Reply-To: <20070307174112.GX22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1173236699.21104.9.camel@localhost> <7ac602420703070451q7cfe4039x9799be11b797c924@mail.gmail.com> <1173287724.24903.2.camel@localhost> <20070307174112.GX22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1173299578.24646.2.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 12:41 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 12:15:24PM -0500, Matt Price wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 07:51 -0500, Ian Petersen wrote: > > > I've never used make-kpkg before, so this is a shot in the dark, but > > > it sounds like you're building every module under the sun, or > > > something similar. Can you modify the .config file that's used when > > > make-kpkg builds the kernel? > > > \ > > yes, i thought of that, but i've looked at the .config of the packages > > thus produced and they aren't crazy--they're just the standard ubuntu > > configs modified slightly (in the case of ubuntu's 2.6.20. have to > > investigate more closely with other flavours). > > > > i do find it really weird... > > I don't even think there is that many modules in the kernel that it > could end up that big. Sounds like either 2.6.20 changed something that > make-kpkg needs to know about, or there is some other bug happening. > > Did you check which part of /lib/modules for the package is using all > the space? Maybe you can find which files are so big. > > The only time I ever got a kernel anywhere near that size was when I > enabled the full kernel debug symbols, which bloated the kernel about > 10x the normal size. > i looked through /lib/modules, and the hugeness is pretty evenly distributed throughout. i don't know tyhat much about debug settings, but i did a grep for DEBUg in my .config and came up with the below -- is this likely the source of my problem? thanks, matt ~$ grep -i debug /usr/src/.config CONFIG_PM_DEBUG=y # CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_PCI_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_PCMCIA_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_NETDEBUG is not set # CONFIG_IP_VS_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_NETFILTER_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_IP_DCCP_CCID2_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_IP_DCCP_CCID3_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_IP_DCCP_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_TIPC_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_IRDA_DEBUG=y # CONFIG_IEEE80211_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_IEEE80211_SOFTMAC_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_DRIVER is not set # CONFIG_MTD_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_MTD_PMC551_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_PNP_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_SAS_LIBSAS_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_AIC7XXX_DEBUG_ENABLE=y CONFIG_AIC7XXX_DEBUG_MASK=0 CONFIG_AIC79XX_DEBUG_ENABLE=y CONFIG_AIC79XX_DEBUG_MASK=0 # CONFIG_AIC94XX_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG=m # CONFIG_DM_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_IEEE1394_VERBOSEDEBUG is not set # CONFIG_IPW2100_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_IPW2200_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_ZD1211RW_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_ATM_ENI_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_ATM_ZATM_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_ATM_IDT77252_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_ATM_AMBASSADOR_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_ATM_HORIZON_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_ATM_IA_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_ATM_FORE200E_DEBUG=0 # CONFIG_HISAX_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_GIGASET_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_I2C_DEBUG_CORE is not set # CONFIG_I2C_DEBUG_ALGO is not set # CONFIG_I2C_DEBUG_BUS is not set # CONFIG_I2C_DEBUG_CHIP is not set # CONFIG_SPI_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_HWMON_DEBUG_CHIP is not set # CONFIG_VIDEO_ADV_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_VIDEO_PVRUSB2_DEBUGIFC is not set # CONFIG_USB_PWC_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_DVB_USB_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_DVB_B2C2_FLEXCOP_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_FB_RIVA_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_FB_INTEL_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_FB_RADEON_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_SND_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_USB_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_DEBUG=m # CONFIG_USB_GADGET_DEBUG_FILES is not set # CONFIG_MMC_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_INFINIBAND_MTHCA_DEBUG=y CONFIG_INFINIBAND_AMSO1100_DEBUG=y CONFIG_INFINIBAND_IPOIB_DEBUG=y # CONFIG_INFINIBAND_IPOIB_DEBUG_DATA is not set # CONFIG_EDAC_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_IPW3945_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_BCM43XX_D80211_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_D80211_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_JBD_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_JFS_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_NTFS_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_BEFS_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_JFFS2_FS_DEBUG=0 # CONFIG_UFS_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_CIFS_DEBUG2 is not set # CONFIG_LDM_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_DLM_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_FS is not set CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL=y # CONFIG_DEBUG_SLAB is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_RT_MUTEXES is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_SPINLOCK is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_MUTEXES is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_RWSEMS is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_LOCK_ALLOC is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_SPINLOCK_SLEEP is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_LOCKING_API_SELFTESTS is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_KOBJECT is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_HIGHMEM is not set CONFIG_DEBUG_BUGVERBOSE=y CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=y # CONFIG_DEBUG_VM is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_LIST is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_STACKOVERFLOW is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_STACK_USAGE is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_PAGEALLOC is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_RODATA is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_PARAVIRT is not set # CONFIG_KEYS_DEBUG_PROC_KEYS is not set > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 22:48:54 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:48:54 -0500 Subject: make-kpkg makes HUGE kernel packages?? In-Reply-To: <1173299578.24646.2.camel@localhost> References: <1173236699.21104.9.camel@localhost> <7ac602420703070451q7cfe4039x9799be11b797c924@mail.gmail.com> <1173287724.24903.2.camel@localhost> <20070307174112.GX22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1173299578.24646.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20070307224854.GY22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 03:32:58PM -0500, Matt Price wrote: > i looked through /lib/modules, and the hugeness is pretty evenly > distributed throughout. i don't know tyhat much about debug settings, > but i did a grep for DEBUg in my .config and came up with the below -- > is this likely the source of my problem? Could you do: df -h /lib/modules/*/* > ~$ grep -i debug /usr/src/.config > CONFIG_PM_DEBUG=y > # CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_PCI_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_PCMCIA_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_NETDEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_IP_VS_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_NETFILTER_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_IP_DCCP_CCID2_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_IP_DCCP_CCID3_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_IP_DCCP_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_TIPC_DEBUG is not set > CONFIG_IRDA_DEBUG=y > # CONFIG_IEEE80211_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_IEEE80211_SOFTMAC_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_DEBUG_DRIVER is not set > # CONFIG_MTD_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_MTD_PMC551_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_PNP_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_SCSI_SAS_LIBSAS_DEBUG is not set > CONFIG_AIC7XXX_DEBUG_ENABLE=y > CONFIG_AIC7XXX_DEBUG_MASK=0 > CONFIG_AIC79XX_DEBUG_ENABLE=y > CONFIG_AIC79XX_DEBUG_MASK=0 > # CONFIG_AIC94XX_DEBUG is not set > CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG=m > # CONFIG_DM_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_IEEE1394_VERBOSEDEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_IPW2100_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_IPW2200_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_ZD1211RW_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_ATM_ENI_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_ATM_ZATM_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_ATM_IDT77252_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_ATM_AMBASSADOR_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_ATM_HORIZON_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_ATM_IA_DEBUG is not set > CONFIG_ATM_FORE200E_DEBUG=0 > # CONFIG_HISAX_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_GIGASET_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_I2C_DEBUG_CORE is not set > # CONFIG_I2C_DEBUG_ALGO is not set > # CONFIG_I2C_DEBUG_BUS is not set > # CONFIG_I2C_DEBUG_CHIP is not set > # CONFIG_SPI_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_HWMON_DEBUG_CHIP is not set > # CONFIG_VIDEO_ADV_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_VIDEO_PVRUSB2_DEBUGIFC is not set > # CONFIG_USB_PWC_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_DVB_USB_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_DVB_B2C2_FLEXCOP_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_FB_RIVA_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_FB_INTEL_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_FB_RADEON_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_SND_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_USB_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DEBUG is not set > CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_DEBUG=m > # CONFIG_USB_GADGET_DEBUG_FILES is not set > # CONFIG_MMC_DEBUG is not set > CONFIG_INFINIBAND_MTHCA_DEBUG=y > CONFIG_INFINIBAND_AMSO1100_DEBUG=y > CONFIG_INFINIBAND_IPOIB_DEBUG=y > # CONFIG_INFINIBAND_IPOIB_DEBUG_DATA is not set > # CONFIG_EDAC_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_IPW3945_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_BCM43XX_D80211_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_D80211_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_JBD_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_JFS_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_NTFS_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_BEFS_DEBUG is not set > CONFIG_JFFS2_FS_DEBUG=0 > # CONFIG_UFS_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_CIFS_DEBUG2 is not set > # CONFIG_LDM_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_DLM_DEBUG is not set > # CONFIG_DEBUG_FS is not set > CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL=y > # CONFIG_DEBUG_SLAB is not set > # CONFIG_DEBUG_RT_MUTEXES is not set > # CONFIG_DEBUG_SPINLOCK is not set > # CONFIG_DEBUG_MUTEXES is not set > # CONFIG_DEBUG_RWSEMS is not set > # CONFIG_DEBUG_LOCK_ALLOC is not set > # CONFIG_DEBUG_SPINLOCK_SLEEP is not set > # CONFIG_DEBUG_LOCKING_API_SELFTESTS is not set > # CONFIG_DEBUG_KOBJECT is not set > # CONFIG_DEBUG_HIGHMEM is not set > CONFIG_DEBUG_BUGVERBOSE=y > CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=y > # CONFIG_DEBUG_VM is not set > # CONFIG_DEBUG_LIST is not set > # CONFIG_DEBUG_STACKOVERFLOW is not set > # CONFIG_DEBUG_STACK_USAGE is not set > # CONFIG_DEBUG_PAGEALLOC is not set > # CONFIG_DEBUG_RODATA is not set > # CONFIG_DEBUG_PARAVIRT is not set > # CONFIG_KEYS_DEBUG_PROC_KEYS is not set Not sure if any of those are a problem. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 7 22:49:21 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:49:21 -0500 Subject: What's the story about Slack 11? In-Reply-To: <45EDDBE8.29625.A81049-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <45EDDBE8.29625.A81049@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <20070307224921.GZ22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 09:23:52PM -0500, Paul King wrote: > I downloaded a DVD ISO (bittorrent) of Slack 11, and I can't seem to boot from > it. Anyone else have the same problem? How did you burn it? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 00:11:23 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:11:23 -0500 Subject: kate without KDE In-Reply-To: <45EEBD82.5090801-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703060651x2d244645hbb79af03926f02f9@mail.gmail.com> <45EEBD82.5090801@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1e55af990703071611t100b25ewc0339c9c9cb045e3@mail.gmail.com> On 3/7/07, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Check to see if dcop is running. If not, try starting it with > "dcopserver". It handles much of the underlying operations of the KDE > desktop from what I can tell, passing data and commands from one app to > another. If you run "dcop" you should see a list of all your KDE/QT apps > running. From there you can specify the app and so on, e.g. "dcop amarok > player play" (with amarok running) will play your currently queued track. I just re-tested on my home computer: Kate is working as-expected on a similar setup. So I SSHed into my work computer and it's running dcopserver. However, running dcop gave me: $ dcop ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server! So perhaps you're onto something. I'll take a look when I'm back there. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 00:14:58 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:14:58 -0500 Subject: kate without KDE In-Reply-To: <1f13df280703070701v3feab69fxb6948f6fe8564791-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703060651x2d244645hbb79af03926f02f9@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280703070701v3feab69fxb6948f6fe8564791@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990703071614t15a579d1na6f6a9ac2f9763fa@mail.gmail.com> On 3/7/07, Giles Orr wrote: > Take a look at what keys bbkeys is trapping: It's running the exact same bbkeysrc as I have at work, so I know that's not the issue. Strangely, my home computer runs kate properly. I think Jamon was onto something.. > At this point I've reassigned pretty much all the WM hotkeys to the > Windows key - I use WinKey- to change desktops, WinKey-P to > pull up a Program menu (dmenu from wmii :-) etc., etc. It takes a > while to adjust to, but greatly reduces key conflicts. Hmm, good idea. I wasn't sure what the key name was.. I might try it, but I still have a lot of hatred from running dos shooter games in windows 3.1 and getting my butt kicked because I tapped the wrong key and got kicked out of fullscreen mode. =) I was quite dismayed when I couldn't order my current keyboard without that key. I can't find a proper buckling spring keyboard (as USB!) without that key. =/ That reminds me about something I ought to make another thread for.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 00:47:20 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:47:20 -0500 Subject: bbkeys and the space bar Message-ID: <1e55af990703071647k10e2193bp273f70365c6a62b5@mail.gmail.com> I miss stupid windows 3.1 hotkeys, like alt-space x for maximizing. I could pull it off with kde because I could bind alt-space to the current window's menu (the top-left icon on most setups) But with blackbox and bbkeys I cannot seem to find a way to use the space key with hotkeys. I googled and googled and perhaps I wasn't choosing the right terms but I came up dry. Do we have any bbkeys users here? =) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 01:23:29 2007 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 20:23:29 -0500 Subject: bbkeys and the space bar In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703071647k10e2193bp273f70365c6a62b5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703071647k10e2193bp273f70365c6a62b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92ee967a0703071723u19e6bb40yb3494c2d96f0c2d@mail.gmail.com> On 3/7/07, Sy Ali wrote: > I miss stupid windows 3.1 hotkeys, like alt-space x for maximizing. I > could pull it off with kde because I could bind alt-space to the > current window's menu (the top-left icon on most setups) > > But with blackbox and bbkeys I cannot seem to find a way to use the > space key with hotkeys. > > I googled and googled and perhaps I wasn't choosing the right terms > but I came up dry. > > > Do we have any bbkeys users here? =) It's not Blackbox, but icewm, although crude, has those shortcuts built in. I keep meaning to hack around with BB, but ice has been good enough for the mostpart. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 03:35:01 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:35:01 -0500 Subject: What's the story about Slack 11? In-Reply-To: <20070307224921.GZ22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <45EDDBE8.29625.A81049@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <45EF3E15.1206.373D141@sciguy.vex.net> On 7 Mar 2007 at 17:49, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 09:23:52PM -0500, Paul King wrote: > > I downloaded a DVD ISO (bittorrent) of Slack 11, and I can't seem to boot from > > it. Anyone else have the same problem? > > How did you burn it? > LG DVD Burner using Nero ("create DVD from ISO image" option). Paul King > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > __________ NOD32 2101 (20070307) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 04:46:22 2007 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 23:46:22 -0500 Subject: bbkeys and the space bar In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703071647k10e2193bp273f70365c6a62b5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703071647k10e2193bp273f70365c6a62b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070308044622.GB3042@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 07:47:20PM -0500, Sy Ali wrote: >But with blackbox and bbkeys I cannot seem to find a way to use the >space key with hotkeys. > >I googled and googled and perhaps I wasn't choosing the right terms >but I came up dry. I switched from blackbox a few years ago because there was no longer activity on the project and I couldn't quite tweak it the way I liked. I ended up with Openbox, and I've been very happy. It is a bit faster than blackbox, and the keybindings are built in and totally customizable. It is very nearly featureless, but that's what I like about it. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 11:15:47 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:15:47 -0500 Subject: What's the story about Slack 11? In-Reply-To: <45EF3E15.1206.373D141-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20070307224921.GZ22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <45EFAA13.23822.519AB68@sciguy.vex.net> Hello, all Looks like I found some clues. From the README file in the /isolinux subdir of the DVD, I likely need to issue an extra command to make it bootable: mkisofs -o /tmp/slackware-dvd.iso \ -R -J -A "Slackware Install" \ -hide-rr-moved \ -v -d -N \ -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 32 -boot-info-table \ -sort isolinux/iso.sort \ -b isolinux/isolinux.bin \ -c isolinux/isolinux.boot \ -V "SlackDVD" . Leave it to Slackware to add that extra wrinkle :-) Paul King On 7 Mar 2007 at 22:35, Paul King wrote: > On 7 Mar 2007 at 17:49, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 09:23:52PM -0500, Paul King wrote: > > > I downloaded a DVD ISO (bittorrent) of Slack 11, and I can't seem to boot from > > > it. Anyone else have the same problem? > > > > How did you burn it? > > > > LG DVD Burner using Nero ("create DVD from ISO image" option). > > Paul King > > > -- > > Len Sorensen > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > __________ NOD32 2101 (20070307) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > __________ NOD32 2101 (20070307) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 13:28:13 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:28:13 -0500 Subject: kate without KDE In-Reply-To: <45EEBD82.5090801-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703060651x2d244645hbb79af03926f02f9@mail.gmail.com> <45EEBD82.5090801@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1e55af990703080528p5f3b5ddbqb0829ff8e136e589@mail.gmail.com> On 3/7/07, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Check to see if dcop is running. If not, try starting it with > "dcopserver". It handles much of the underlying operations of the KDE > desktop from what I can tell, passing data and commands from one app to > another. If you run "dcop" you should see a list of all your KDE/QT apps > running. From there you can specify the app and so on, e.g. "dcop amarok > player play" (with amarok running) will play your currently queued track. Ok, I played around. dcop shows kate. dcop can give me all kinds of fun information about it. I can even probe into things like this: $ dcop kate-3865 __KateMainWindow#1 isTopLevel true umm.. now what? =) I can use dcopserver_shutdown and I see things fall apart and the various applications die. I run dcopserver and after a while 'dcop' shows klauncher I run kate again, and I see it show up in the 'dcop' listing. But this instance of kate doesn't respect the hotkey settings. Strange. Plus-strange, because it's working on a sibling setup at home. I think what I'll do is pause, and prep the set up anew (to unify and sync my home and work setups) I think this issue will sort itself out on its own.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 13:32:00 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:32:00 -0500 Subject: bbkeys and the space bar In-Reply-To: <20070308044622.GB3042-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703071647k10e2193bp273f70365c6a62b5@mail.gmail.com> <20070308044622.GB3042@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1e55af990703080532v779fd8b1xebeaaa617ee68fa4@mail.gmail.com> On 3/7/07, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I switched from blackbox a few years ago because there was no longer > activity on the project and I couldn't quite tweak it the way I liked. > I ended up with Openbox, and I've been very happy. It is a bit faster > than blackbox, and the keybindings are built in and totally > customizable. It is very nearly featureless, but that's what I like > about it. I also noted the inactivity, but they resurrected themselves and revised a lot of things - breaking compatibility with the earlier revisions and going straight towards window manager standards compliance. Openbox is interesting. I played with fluxbox but was too annoyed at some things - like not being able to resize from more than the one corner of the window. But I prefer to keep blackbox.. it does very well for me, aside from this one thing.. which is really just a bbkeys thing. --+ And hotkey management built into a window manager (icewm) seems strange and wrong to me.. =) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 15:52:25 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:52:25 -0500 Subject: What's the story about Slack 11? In-Reply-To: <45EF3E15.1206.373D141-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <45EDDBE8.29625.A81049@sciguy.vex.net> <45EF3E15.1206.373D141@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <20070308155225.GA22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 10:35:01PM -0500, Paul King wrote: > LG DVD Burner using Nero ("create DVD from ISO image" option). Have you tried the DVD on another machine? Have you ever booted a DVD on that machine? I know my dad's machine wouldn't boot from DVD but would boot from CD. I then updated the BIOS and suddenly boot from DVD worked fine. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 15:53:09 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:53:09 -0500 Subject: What's the story about Slack 11? In-Reply-To: <45EFAA13.23822.519AB68-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20070307224921.GZ22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <45EFAA13.23822.519AB68@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <20070308155309.GB22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 06:15:47AM -0500, Paul King wrote: > Hello, all > > Looks like I found some clues. From the README file in the /isolinux subdir of > the DVD, I likely need to issue an extra command to make it bootable: > > mkisofs -o /tmp/slackware-dvd.iso \ > -R -J -A "Slackware Install" \ > -hide-rr-moved \ > -v -d -N \ > -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 32 -boot-info-table \ > -sort isolinux/iso.sort \ > -b isolinux/isolinux.bin \ > -c isolinux/isolinux.boot \ > -V "SlackDVD" . > > Leave it to Slackware to add that extra wrinkle :-) I thought you said you downloaded the ISO not made it yourself. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 18:44:38 2007 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddymills) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:44:38 -0500 Subject: Trouble ticket system that does not require email Message-ID: <45F05996.6070309@gmail.com> I am looking for a Trouble ticket system. Since I am on Sympatico, I would need a Trouble Ticket system that does not require email (or at least has email as an option, so it can be disabled) I was looking at OTRS but it seems to require email. Does anyone know of a business level trouble ticket system that may fit this requirement? TIA! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 18:46:41 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:46:41 -0500 Subject: Trouble ticket system that does not require email In-Reply-To: <45F05996.6070309-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <45F05996.6070309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070308184641.GB22752@watson-wilson.ca> Request Tracker? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 9 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 18:49:59 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:49:59 -0500 Subject: What's the story about Slack 11? In-Reply-To: <20070308155309.GB22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <45EFAA13.23822.519AB68@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <45F01487.24244.6B97E22@sciguy.vex.net> On 8 Mar 2007 at 10:53, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Leave it to Slackware to add that extra wrinkle :-) > > I thought you said you downloaded the ISO not made it yourself. That piece of script was from a readme file in the top-level directory of the DVD. One guess (apart from possible hardware problems) is that whoever made the ISO image didn't make it bootable. PJK -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 19:31:26 2007 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:31:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Trouble ticket system that does not require email In-Reply-To: <20070308184641.GB22752-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <45F05996.6070309@gmail.com> <20070308184641.GB22752@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Neil Watson wrote: > Request Tracker? I've used RT for many years and I am happy with it. It isn't perfect but it is very good. Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 20:09:11 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:09:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Our world ending? - ESR 2008 deadline, interesting read (if havn't) In-Reply-To: <1173254538.4897.419.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <1173254538.4897.419.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: | From: tleslie | http://catb.org/~esr/writings/world-domination/world-domination-201.html | Gotta give ESR a A+ for research and trend analysis in the article | however. Thanks for posting this. Although I'd known about ESR's article for some time, I had dismissed it based on people's reaction to it. This time I read it. I actually think he's too right. Without legal, pre-installed CODECs, most folks won't accept Linux as the standard default pre-installed OS on their computers. (That doesn't mean "most TLUG folks".) I actually think that the situation is worse than ESR portrayed. I think that the DRM stuff that is part of Vista, in particular, the "Trusted Computing" stuff will be impossible for any Linux distro to manage, even if they were willing to pay royalties. More concretely, I don't see how a Linux desktop will be able to play HD-DVD or Blu-Ray content from Holywood legally. The one good thing: the DRM arround HD content is so restrictive that perhaps there isn't anything interesting that a desktop computer can do that a stand-alone HD player cannot do. No time-shifting or other copying as far as I can tell. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 21:15:24 2007 From: jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:15:24 -0500 Subject: Ide drive /yes/not recognized In-Reply-To: <45EF02D3.8010104-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <45EEE7B3.9060802@totaltravelmarketing.com> <45EEEFE0.7030007@telly.org> <45EF02D3.8010104@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <45F07CEC.1060609@totaltravelmarketing.com> Jose wrote: > Evan Leibovitch wrote: >> Jose wrote: >> >>> Hi All >>> >>> I have this new machine that comes with dual core, it has 3 ide >>> connector, one it's the default, already connected to a DVDrom (hdb), >>> and one IDE master drive (hda), where I installed a dual boot with >>> Suse 10.2 and Centos 4.4, I have installed another IDE (hdf SUse)aside >>> of another SATA (sda) drive on this machine, Suse recognizes the 3 >>> drives + dvd, Centos only recognizes the primary master IDE, DVD, and >>> SATA drive, but does not recognizes the second IDE, I have no idea >>> why it would happen on the Centos side, I connected a usb drive while >>> on Centos and it recognized it within seconds. >>> >> Hi Jose, >> >> Newer dual-core motherboards, notably from Intel, use new IDE >> controllers that older Linux kernels don't support. This may explain why >> your SuSE recognized the drive but Centos did not; I have little >> experiences with recent releases of either. You may find that the Centos >> "support" for your IDE drives is limited to booting (because of the >> BIOS) and is not supported in regular operation any more than the IDE >> hard drive. >> >> There is a driver/patch that supports the new systems with Marvell IDE >> controllers: >> http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/10/16/157 >> >> This will provide a kernel module 'pata_marvell' which, when loaded, >> will recognize the hard drives and other 'conventional' IDE devices >> (which are now know as Parallel ATA or PATA). >> >> What I did was to: >> 1) Boot and install Linux off an external USB-connected CD-ROM drive >> 2) Go to the net, download the PATA driver >> 3) Compile, install and load the module >> 4) Add it to /etc/modules so that it would be found and loaded >> automatically on subsequent reboots >> >> Or you could just use a distribution/version with a newer kernel that >> already has the support (as your SuSE apparently does). >> >> I hope this helps. As always, YMMV, standard disclaimers apply. >> >> - Evan >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> >> > Hi Evan, > > Thanks for your suggestion, that made me check something on the > motherboard manual. > > Looking at the motherboard manual, says that I have to apply a driver > for IDE drives from the CDROM it came with it, I guess the guy at the > shop didn't install it, I would have to install tonight as the machine > is at another location, last night I noticed there is an update for > the Centos kernel from their repositories, I would check if this > version has the support I need for my machine configuration. > > Jose > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > Hi Evan I tried playing with the motherboard settings, but nothing, same results, I am not that familiar with compiling modules or kernels, I would have to dig out the instructions how to do that. Jose -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 22:45:10 2007 From: myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:45:10 -0500 Subject: Trouble ticket system that does not require email In-Reply-To: <45F05996.6070309-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <45F05996.6070309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45F091F6.2090608@monkeyinyoursoul.com> Why cant you just use sympatico's smtp? teddymills wrote: > > I am looking for a Trouble ticket system. > Since I am on Sympatico, I would need a Trouble Ticket system that does > not require email > (or at least has email as an option, so it can be disabled) > > I was looking at OTRS but it seems to require email. > Does anyone know of a business level trouble ticket system that may fit > this requirement? TIA! > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 8 23:13:20 2007 From: Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:13:20 -0500 Subject: Trouble ticket system that does not require email In-Reply-To: <45F091F6.2090608-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <45F091F6.2090608@monkeyinyoursoul.com> Message-ID: PiA+IEkgYW0gbG9va2luZyBmb3IgYSBUcm91YmxlIHRpY2tldCBzeXN0ZW0uDQo+ID4gU2luY2Ug SSBhbSBvbiBTeW1wYXRpY28sIEkgd291bGQgbmVlZCBhIFRyb3VibGUgVGlja2V0IHN5c3RlbSB0 aGF0IA0KZG9lcw0KPiA+IG5vdCByZXF1aXJlIGVtYWlsDQo+ID4gKG9yIGF0IGxlYXN0IGhhcyBl bWFpbCBhcyBhbiBvcHRpb24sIHNvIGl0IGNhbiBiZSBkaXNhYmxlZCkNCj4gPg0KPiA+IEkgd2Fz IGxvb2tpbmcgYXQgT1RSUyBidXQgaXQgc2VlbXMgdG8gcmVxdWlyZSBlbWFpbC4NCj4gPiBEb2Vz IGFueW9uZSBrbm93IG9mIGEgYnVzaW5lc3MgbGV2ZWwgdHJvdWJsZSB0aWNrZXQgc3lzdGVtIHRo YXQgbWF5IA0KZml0DQo+ID4gdGhpcyByZXF1aXJlbWVudD8gVElBIQ0KPiA+DQoNClRha2UgYSBs b29rIGF0IE9uZU9yWmVybw0KDQpodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm9uZW9yemVyby5jb20vDQoNCl9fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX18NCg0KSmFzb24gU2hlaW4NCk5ldHdvcmsgQWRtaW5pc3RyYXRvciDigJMg TGludXggU3lzdGVtcw0KSW92YXRlIEhlYWx0aCBTY2llbmNlcyBJbmMuDQo1MTAwIFNwZWN0cnVt IFdheQ0KTWlzc2lzc2F1Z2EsIE9OIEw0VyA1UzIgDQooIDkwNSApIC0gNjc4IC0gMzExOSAgIHgg MzEzNg0KMSAtIDg4OCAtIDMzNCAtIDQ0NDgsICAgIHggMzEzNiAodG9sbC1mcmVlKQ0KKCA0MTYg KSAtIDI3MiAtIDc5OTggIEJsYWNrYmVycnkNCmphc29uLnNoZWluQGlvdmF0ZS5jb20gDQoNCkN1 c3RvbWVyIFNlcnZpY2UuIENvbGxhYm9yYXRpb24uIElubm92YXRpb24uIEVmZmljaWVuY3kuIA0K SW92YXRlJ3MgSW5mb3JtYXRpb24gVGVjaG5vbG9neSBUZWFtIA0KDQpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fDQoNCkNPTkZJREVOVElBTElUWSBOT1RJQ0U6IA0KVEhJUyBFTEVDVFJPTklDIE1BSUwg VFJBTlNNSVNTSU9OIElTIFBSSVZJTEVHRUQgQU5EIENPTkZJREVOVElBTCBBTkQgSVMNCklOVEVO REVEIE9OTFkgRk9SIFRIRSBSRVZJRVcgT0YgVEhFIFBBUlRZIFRPIFdIT00gSVQgSVMgQUREUkVT U0VELiANClRIRSBJTkZPUk1BVElPTiBDT05UQUlORUQgSU4gVEhJUyBFLU1BSUwgSVMgQ09ORklE RU5USUFMIEFORCBJUyBESVNDTE9TRUQNClRPIFlPVSBVTkRFUiBUSEUgRVhQUkVTUyBVTkRFUlNU QU5ESU5HIFRIQVQgWU9VIFdJTEwgTk9UIERJU0NMT1NFIElUDQpPUiBJVFMgQ09OVEVOVFMgVE8g QU5ZIFRISVJEIFBBUlRZIFdJVEhPVVQgVEhFIEVYUFJFU1MgV1JJVFRFTiBDT05TRU5UDQpPRiBB TiBBVVRIT1JJWkVEIE9GRklDRVIgT0YgSU9WQVRFIEhFQUxUSCBTQ0lFTkNFUyBTRVJWSUNFUyBJ TkMuIElGIFlPVQ0KSEFWRSBSRUNFSVZFRCBUSElTIFRSQU5TTUlTU0lPTiBJTiBFUlJPUiwgUExF QVNFIElNTUVESUFURUxZIFJFVFVSTiBJVCANClRPIFRIRSBTRU5ERVIuDQpfX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fDQoNCg0K -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 9 10:34:58 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 05:34:58 -0500 Subject: Slack 11 boots up -- some first impressions In-Reply-To: <45EFAA13.23822.519AB68-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <45EF3E15.1206.373D141@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <45F0F202.8391.18E4AFB@sciguy.vex.net> It turns out that my BIOS wasn't set up to boot from DVD (I changed a lot of stuff when I added a HD and upgraded my power supply). Here now are my first impressions after booting once with Slack 11. This time, it would seem that in order to install slackware, I have to log in as root, and manually mount my filesystem under a virtual /mnt directory. Otherwise, pkgtool won't work. But you see, in order to install stuff, I would have to also manually format the install partitions (there being apparently no install script to streamline this process for me). To be fair, I only booted once with the DVD, and I could have missed something, but I don't recall being given any other choice other than logging on as root. Once logged in as root, there is no escape. "logout" doesn't work, and Control+D doesn't log out (I just get another prompt). I do a "ps ax" to find out what shell I am running. It reports "sh". It also reports two init processes. Hmph. I powered down manually, but I may have missed a "reboot" command and didn't try CTRL+ALT+DEL. Slackware was one of the first Linux distros I've tried, back in '95 (when it was part of a TransAmeritech distro). I do not recall it being this difficult to use, even going by 1995 standards. Paul King On 8 Mar 2007 at 6:15, Paul King wrote: > Hello, all > > Looks like I found some clues. From the README file in the /isolinux subdir of > the DVD, I likely need to issue an extra command to make it bootable: > > mkisofs -o /tmp/slackware-dvd.iso \ > -R -J -A "Slackware Install" \ > -hide-rr-moved \ > -v -d -N \ > -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 32 -boot-info-table \ > -sort isolinux/iso.sort \ > -b isolinux/isolinux.bin \ > -c isolinux/isolinux.boot \ > -V "SlackDVD" . > > Leave it to Slackware to add that extra wrinkle :-) > > Paul King > > On 7 Mar 2007 at 22:35, Paul King wrote: > > > On 7 Mar 2007 at 17:49, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 09:23:52PM -0500, Paul King wrote: > > > > I downloaded a DVD ISO (bittorrent) of Slack 11, and I can't seem to boot from > > > > it. Anyone else have the same problem? > > > > > > How did you burn it? > > > > > > > LG DVD Burner using Nero ("create DVD from ISO image" option). > > > > Paul King > > > > > -- > > > Len Sorensen > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 9 12:04:59 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 07:04:59 -0500 Subject: bbkeys and the space bar In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703071647k10e2193bp273f70365c6a62b5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703071647k10e2193bp273f70365c6a62b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070309120459.GA11353@waltdnes.org> On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 07:47:20PM -0500, Sy Ali wrote > I miss stupid windows 3.1 hotkeys, like alt-space x for maximizing. I > could pull it off with kde because I could bind alt-space to the > current window's menu (the top-left icon on most setups) > > But with blackbox and bbkeys I cannot seem to find a way to use the > space key with hotkeys. > > I googled and googled and perhaps I wasn't choosing the right terms > but I came up dry. > > > Do we have any bbkeys users here? =) Me, me, me. bbkeys only has a "toggleMaximizeFull" function. The entry in .bbkeysrc is as follows... [toggleMaximizeFull] (Mod1-space) Note that "space" *MUST* be in lower-case. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 9 12:16:35 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 07:16:35 -0500 Subject: bbkeys and the space bar In-Reply-To: <20070309120459.GA11353-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703071647k10e2193bp273f70365c6a62b5@mail.gmail.com> <20070309120459.GA11353@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <1e55af990703090416g3698c917mc9585f0deaf7e929@mail.gmail.com> On 3/9/07, Walter Dnes wrote: > [toggleMaximizeFull] (Mod1-space) > > Note that "space" *MUST* be in lower-case. Aah so that's it. Strange that it has to be lowercase when other keys don't. e.g. [moveWindowUp] (Mod1-Control-Up) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 9 15:21:29 2007 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 10:21:29 -0500 Subject: Slack 11 boots up -- some first impressions In-Reply-To: <45F0F202.8391.18E4AFB-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <45EF3E15.1206.373D141@sciguy.vex.net> <45F0F202.8391.18E4AFB@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <20070309102129.885e8044.gstrom@teksavvy.com> On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 05:34:58 -0500 "Paul King" wrote: > Here now are my first impressions after booting once with Slack 11. > > This time, it would seem that in order to install slackware, I have > to log in as root, and manually mount my filesystem under a > virtual /mnt directory. Otherwise, pkgtool won't work. I've never installed Slackware from a DVD, but I would think the process would be similar to the CD install. To install Slackware, all you need to do is type "root", press Enter, and then type "setup" and press Enter. The install process starts. You don't need to mount anything. > But you see, > in order to install stuff, I would have to also manually format the > install partitions (there being apparently no install script to > streamline this process for me). To be fair, I only booted once with > the DVD, and I could have missed something, but I don't recall being > given any other choice other than logging on as root. > You could try cfdisk -- it has an easier-to-use interface. In fact, the author of fdisk even suggests this. Although cfdisk doesn't seem to have an option for creating an ext3 filesystem, you can do that during the install process. (That is, if you're using ext3. You can also create a reiser filesystem if that's what you prefer.) >From the fdisk man page: "There are several *fdisk programs around. Each has its problems and strengths. Try them in the order cfdisk, fdisk, sfdisk. (Indeed, cfdisk is a beautiful program that has strict requirements on the partition tables it accepts, and produces high quality partition tables. Use it if you can. fdisk is a buggy program that does fuzzy things - usually it happens to produce reasonable results. Its single advantage is that it has some support for BSD disk labels and other non-DOS partition tables. Avoid it if you can. sfdisk is for hackers only - the user interface is terrible, but it is more correct than fdisk and more powerful than both fdisk and cfdisk. Moreover, it can be used noninteractively.) These days there also is parted. The cfdisk interface is nicer, but parted does much more: it not only resizes partitions, but also the filesystems that live in them." > Slackware was one of the first Linux distros I've tried, back in '95 > (when it was part of a TransAmeritech distro). I do not recall it > being this difficult to use, even going by 1995 standards. > If you haven't installed Slackware in some time, it would probably be useful if you re-read the Slackware-HOWTO.txt file. It walks you through the entire process. -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From brandon-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 9 22:37:18 2007 From: brandon-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:37:18 -0500 Subject: Mail Setups Message-ID: <45F1E19E.3040006@tri-coder.org> I'm just wondering what people's mail setups are like. Do you just POP3 all your email with fetchmail and use a console client? Do you just use webmail like Gmail or Hotmail? Do you have email on a hosting service, and use IMAP? Console/GUI email app? Does your client implement SMTP or do you use a local server? If so, is it fully featured like postfix or basic like ssmtp? I don't want to start some flame war (console vs. gui or mbox vs whatever), I'm just wondering how people on TLUG deal with email. Just something about what you use and why you use it. Personally, I've used things from Apple's Mail.app to Thunderbird to Mutt to Pine to Outlook to Outlook Express over the years. Right now I'm using Thunderbird on OS X, but I was using Mutt previously for a while. An additional question would be how do you deal with Mailing Lists? I know that some people setup specific email addresses for mailing lists. I've even heard of people using a gmail account only for mailing lists because they feel it handles them the best (compared to other webmail clients I guess). Brandon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 9 22:47:02 2007 From: myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:47:02 -0500 Subject: Mail Setups In-Reply-To: <45F1E19E.3040006-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw@public.gmane.org> References: <45F1E19E.3040006@tri-coder.org> Message-ID: <45F1E3E6.301@monkeyinyoursoul.com> I use Thunderbird connected to IMAP on my Email Server. I use both a local and remote SMTP because of simpatico. But I am thinking of converting to Mutt with OfflineIMAP. Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > I'm just wondering what people's mail setups are like. Do you just > POP3 all your email with fetchmail and use a console client? Do you > just use webmail like Gmail or Hotmail? Do you have email on a > hosting service, and use IMAP? Console/GUI email app? Does your > client implement SMTP or do you use a local server? If so, is it > fully featured like postfix or basic like ssmtp? > > I don't want to start some flame war (console vs. gui or mbox vs > whatever), I'm just wondering how people on TLUG deal with email. > Just something about what you use and why you use it. > > Personally, I've used things from Apple's Mail.app to Thunderbird to > Mutt to Pine to Outlook to Outlook Express over the years. Right now > I'm using Thunderbird on OS X, but I was using Mutt previously for a > while. > > An additional question would be how do you deal with Mailing Lists? I > know that some people setup specific email addresses for mailing > lists. I've even heard of people using a gmail account only for > mailing lists because they feel it handles them the best (compared to > other webmail clients I guess). > > Brandon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 9 23:07:10 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 18:07:10 -0500 Subject: Mail Setups In-Reply-To: <45F1E19E.3040006-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw@public.gmane.org> References: <45F1E19E.3040006@tri-coder.org> Message-ID: <200703091807.10348.softquake@gmail.com> Make a nice survey and you will know :) Right now I use gmail as my primary account. It is very convenient, because I can access it from work and from home. From work on www (though could be also by pop3 and smtp). From home i use practically only pop3 and google smtp which runs on a higher port ). Rogers does not allow access to external smtp on port 25). Google authentication has some sort of security features i did not bother much to remember about. I use from home KMail right now, but I used thunderbird as well. Pine in the past for long (now I see no good reason to use text based email clients in most cases). Mailing lists? Any reasonably good client can do well with them, just a matter of personal configuration. Problem with google is that they may (and likely they do) monitoring of your mail and one can not know what they are doing with all that information. However, do we know what sort of homeland or foreign secred service people are installed at let say Sympatico or Rogers? I have no doubt that there are such people there. If someone is paranoic or sends mails with possibly sensitive content to/from a company he/she is employed at - than mails should be encrypted and go through company smtp server. zb. On Friday 09 March 2007 17:37, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > I'm just wondering what people's mail setups are like. Do you just POP3 > all your email with fetchmail and use a console client? Do you just use > webmail like Gmail or Hotmail? Do you have email on a hosting service, > and use IMAP? Console/GUI email app? Does your client implement SMTP > or do you use a local server? If so, is it fully featured like postfix > or basic like ssmtp? > > I don't want to start some flame war (console vs. gui or mbox vs > whatever), I'm just wondering how people on TLUG deal with email. Just > something about what you use and why you use it. > > Personally, I've used things from Apple's Mail.app to Thunderbird to > Mutt to Pine to Outlook to Outlook Express over the years. Right now > I'm using Thunderbird on OS X, but I was using Mutt previously for a while. > > An additional question would be how do you deal with Mailing Lists? I > know that some people setup specific email addresses for mailing lists. > I've even heard of people using a gmail account only for mailing lists > because they feel it handles them the best (compared to other webmail > clients I guess). > > Brandon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From pavel-XHBUQMKE58M at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 9 23:10:12 2007 From: pavel-XHBUQMKE58M at public.gmane.org (pavel) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 18:10:12 -0500 Subject: Mail Setups In-Reply-To: <45F1E19E.3040006-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw@public.gmane.org> References: <45F1E19E.3040006@tri-coder.org> Message-ID: <7790d9a340f75183acee69c6a79ac13c@localhost> Hi, I have setup exim, dovecot and roundcube with spamfiltering, with semi-virtual hosting. Mail is delivered to unix acccounts first, then to virtual ones without any login information. Reasons for choices: exim - simple to configure, really modular and flexible. supports postgres dovecot - supports all protocols I like and was able to configure it with accessing unix based as well as virtual accounts in one breath. Configuration file is also very easy to read. Doen't have quirks of Courier IMAP, uses standard IMAP command set. roundcube - really simple, ajax/php based mail client. does pretty much all things i need it to, and not too much more, which is great. I can use non-web IMAP clients but there isn't much need in that anymore. Unless you really like to manipulate large amounts of mail in some ways that your particular client allows you to do. Also webclients don't do offline mail, but thats given. On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:37:18 -0500, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > I'm just wondering what people's mail setups are like. Do you just POP3 > all your email with fetchmail and use a console client? Do you just use POP3 is good for offline mail handling, other then that I'd use IMAP instead. > webmail like Gmail or Hotmail? Do you have email on a hosting service, > and use IMAP? Console/GUI email app? Does your client implement SMTP Hosting your own mail is preferred, you can get really cheap hosting plans, and it looks alot more professional. > or do you use a local server? If so, is it fully featured like postfix > or basic like ssmtp? You can setup mailserver on rogers/bell with smarthost, that will login to the server and forward mail for all user accounts over authenticated link. It is a bit of a pain, and unavailability of large provider's mail access is notorious. Usually its better to run your own service, or have at least a managed one, like dreamhost at alike. > I don't want to start some flame war (console vs. gui or mbox vs > whatever), I'm just wondering how people on TLUG deal with email. Just > something about what you use and why you use it. Mutt is excellent, but sometimes you just don't have access to the shell over time i got used to roundcube. > Personally, I've used things from Apple's Mail.app to Thunderbird to > Mutt to Pine to Outlook to Outlook Express over the years. Right now > I'm using Thunderbird on OS X, but I was using Mutt previously for a > while. Mail.app doesn't deal with large folders over IMAP, thunderbird once has cyclical message bug so I stopped using it then. Anything that fits your requirenments should be ok. I recommend though for you to check out roundcube though. > An additional question would be how do you deal with Mailing Lists? I > know that some people setup specific email addresses for mailing lists. > I've even heard of people using a gmail account only for mailing lists > because they feel it handles them the best (compared to other webmail > clients I guess). Separate email addresses for mailing lists is an excellent way to deter spam. I use procmail to sort most of my mail. Its a bit dated but works well. Cheers, Pavel -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 00:03:35 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 19:03:35 -0500 Subject: Mail Setups In-Reply-To: <45F1E19E.3040006-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw@public.gmane.org> References: <45F1E19E.3040006@tri-coder.org> Message-ID: <20070310000335.GA12470@waltdnes.org> On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 05:37:18PM -0500, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote > I'm just wondering what people's mail setups are like. Do you just POP3 > all your email with fetchmail and use a console client? Do you just use > webmail like Gmail or Hotmail? Do you have email on a hosting service, > and use IMAP? Console/GUI email app? Does your client implement SMTP > or do you use a local server? If so, is it fully featured like postfix > or basic like ssmtp? This email comes to you via ssmtp from mutt on an 80x48 (yes, I said 48) textmode console. I've tweaked the textmode like so... "vga = 6" in /etc/lilo.conf gives a 640x480 pixel textmode. With the 8-pixel-high CGA fonts, this can give 60 rows, but it's murder on the eyes. Instead, I set CONSOLEFONT="lat1-10" in /etc/conf.d/consolefont The 10-pixel-high font is much more readable than the CGA 8-pixel-high font. Things get a bit complex switching from ADSL to my backup dialup connection. I've set up a connection with pppconfig. I have 2 scripts ~/bin/dialup tears dowm eth0, copies over the ssmtp.conf for my dialup ISP, and then actually dials up... #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/sudo /sbin/ifconfig eth0 down /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/cp -f /etc/ssmtp/295.ssmtp.conf /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf /usr/bin/sudo /usr/sbin/pon 295caext ~/bin/dialdown reverses the process... #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/sudo /usr/sbin/poff /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/cp -f /etc/ssmtp/istop.ssmtp.conf /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf /usr/bin/sudo /etc/init.d/net.eth0 restart For the sudo commands to work, my /etc/sudoers includes waltdnes m3000 = (root) NOPASSWD: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 down waltdnes m3000 = (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/cp -f /etc/ssmtp/295.ssmtp.conf /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf waltdnes m3000 = (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/pon 295caext waltdnes m3000 = (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/poff waltdnes m3000 = (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/cp -f /etc/ssmtp/istop.ssmtp.conf /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf waltdnes m3000 = (root) NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/net.eth0 restart I point waltdnes.org at a virtual domain at an ISP that has major mods to qmail. It allows *USER-CONFIGURED BLOCKING AT THE SMTP STAGE*. Blocked email gets the big 550, rather than bouncing spam to some innocent 3rd party. I get to admin the spamblocking rules without having to admin a server. Since they're in Logansport, Indiana, and I'm in Toronto, Ontario, I ssh-tunnel the getmail connection. I even run it as a cronjob. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 01:10:52 2007 From: jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:10:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Mail Setups In-Reply-To: <45F1E19E.3040006-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw@public.gmane.org> References: <45F1E19E.3040006@tri-coder.org> Message-ID: <4422.66.11.182.5.1173489052.squirrel@canuckster.org> Greetings, I use qmail on my gentoo server I run out of my house. This is my primary email server. To access it I use Squirrelmail. Jason Carson > I'm just wondering what people's mail setups are like. Do you just POP3 > all your email with fetchmail and use a console client? Do you just use > webmail like Gmail or Hotmail? Do you have email on a hosting service, > and use IMAP? Console/GUI email app? Does your client implement SMTP > or do you use a local server? If so, is it fully featured like postfix > or basic like ssmtp? > > I don't want to start some flame war (console vs. gui or mbox vs > whatever), I'm just wondering how people on TLUG deal with email. Just > something about what you use and why you use it. > > Personally, I've used things from Apple's Mail.app to Thunderbird to > Mutt to Pine to Outlook to Outlook Express over the years. Right now > I'm using Thunderbird on OS X, but I was using Mutt previously for a > while. > > An additional question would be how do you deal with Mailing Lists? I > know that some people setup specific email addresses for mailing lists. > I've even heard of people using a gmail account only for mailing lists > because they feel it handles them the best (compared to other webmail > clients I guess). > > Brandon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 02:02:46 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:02:46 -0500 Subject: HTML/Middle-click/Security question... Message-ID: <45F211C6.9020606@alteeve.com> Hi all, For security reasons, on a site I am writing I have made it so that you cannot pass variables in the URL (ie: http://domain.com/cgi-bin/script.cgi?foo=bar&baz=boo fails). I do this by only allowing variables to be passed via a form by checking that the script was called via a POST instead of a GET command before CGI variables are read. So for the search engine portion I return each result as a small form with the title of the search result being the submit button. I use CSS to make it look like regular text. I do this because I want the site to work without javascript. Given the ever-growing number of javascript-based security flaws coming out these days I know many more people are turning off JS in their browser (like my b/f, for example). So this brings me to my question: How can I make a click-able search result that sends a POST to the server, works without javascript and supports middle-clicking to open the search result in a new tab? Currently, with the scheme I have, you can't middle-click on the result at all because it is a form 'submit' button (but looks like normal text). This is really not good, given that middle-clicking on search results is a big sell for tabbed browsers. :) Any ideas/suggestions/pointers will be *much* appreciated! A stumped Madison. PS - In case it's relevant, I am using Perl/Apache2/PostgreSQL8.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 02:09:45 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:09:45 -0500 Subject: Slack 11 boots up -- some first impressions In-Reply-To: <20070309102129.885e8044.gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <45F0F202.8391.18E4AFB@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <45F1CD19.15245.E439A6@sciguy.vex.net> On 9 Mar 2007 at 10:21, Glen Strom wrote: > On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 05:34:58 -0500 > "Paul King" wrote: > > > Here now are my first impressions after booting once with Slack 11. > > > > This time, it would seem that in order to install slackware, I have > > to log in as root, and manually mount my filesystem under a > > virtual /mnt directory. Otherwise, pkgtool won't work. > > I've never installed Slackware from a DVD, but I would think the > process would be similar to the CD install. > > To install Slackware, all you need to do is type "root", press > Enter, and then type "setup" and press Enter. The install process > starts. You don't need to mount anything. That would seem like common sense to me. You shouldn't need to mount anyting. I'll try that (even though their instructions and prompts didn't mention doing it that way). Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From brandon-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 03:04:25 2007 From: brandon-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:04:25 -0500 Subject: Mail Setups In-Reply-To: <4422.66.11.182.5.1173489052.squirrel-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A@public.gmane.org> References: <45F1E19E.3040006@tri-coder.org> <4422.66.11.182.5.1173489052.squirrel@canuckster.org> Message-ID: <45F22039.4040809@tri-coder.org> Jason Carson wrote: > Greetings, > > I use qmail on my gentoo server I run out of my house. This is my primary > email server. To access it I use Squirrelmail. > > Jason Carson > >> I'm just wondering what people's mail setups are like. Do you just POP3 >> all your email with fetchmail and use a console client? Do you just use >> webmail like Gmail or Hotmail? Do you have email on a hosting service, >> and use IMAP? Console/GUI email app? Does your client implement SMTP >> or do you use a local server? If so, is it fully featured like postfix >> or basic like ssmtp? >> >> I don't want to start some flame war (console vs. gui or mbox vs >> whatever), I'm just wondering how people on TLUG deal with email. Just >> something about what you use and why you use it. >> >> Personally, I've used things from Apple's Mail.app to Thunderbird to >> Mutt to Pine to Outlook to Outlook Express over the years. Right now >> I'm using Thunderbird on OS X, but I was using Mutt previously for a >> while. >> >> An additional question would be how do you deal with Mailing Lists? I >> know that some people setup specific email addresses for mailing lists. >> I've even heard of people using a gmail account only for mailing lists >> because they feel it handles them the best (compared to other webmail >> clients I guess). >> >> Brandon How do you deal with ISP down-time then? I used to do something similar some years ago. I gave up because every so often my ISP would have down-time. I would be more comfortable with a hosting service as the ISP because they are there to support your server/shared server. Home ISPs have none such customer service aspirations, unfortunately. Brandon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 03:34:38 2007 From: slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slackrat) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 04:34:38 +0100 Subject: Mail Setups In-Reply-To: <45F1E19E.3040006-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw@public.gmane.org> (Brandon Sandrowicz's message of "Fri\, 09 Mar 2007 17\:37\:18 -0500") References: <45F1E19E.3040006@tri-coder.org> Message-ID: <878xe5g4a9.fsf@azurservers.com> * Brandon Sandrowicz a ?crit > I'm just wondering what people's mail setups are like. Do you just > POP3 all your email with fetchmail and use a console client? Do you > just use webmail like Gmail or Hotmail? Do you have email on a > hosting service, and use IMAP? Console/GUI email app? Does your > client implement SMTP or do you use a local server? If so, is it > fully featured like postfix or basic like ssmtp? > Gnus is used exclusively on my network/domain. I love Emacs/Gnus because it permits a very high degree of customization Like a cool Face Header, to display in the 'From' line, a zany Shakespeare quote plus other stuff in the headers too for anyone interested/dumb/whatever enough to read them, and a random, selectable or automatic 'Plain Jane' signature according to the whim of the moment.and appropriate to the message being sent and the group/list/user it is intended for. The server is a trusty Pentium/166 currently with a 500MB hard drive and 16MB RAM running a minimal system without 'X'. But the server changes at intervals; as soon as I can put together another 'clunker' from spare parts or whatever, the server box is donated to a poor kid at the school a few metres up the street from me. Popa3d runs on the server to permit me to fetchmail my own traffic and serve the few 'Third Party' mail users - mainly my kids and grandkids. Outbound traffic is not heavy but inbound traffic is, mostly Usenet and Mailing List stuff. I get free phone calls to most of the civilized world and email generally has become a drag so I use it sparingly. I check my mailserver frequently via: http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=azurservers.com for RFC compliance etc., etc. [change my domain to your own for an instantaneous report] Spam? No inbound mail from a domain thet resolves is ever treated as spam but I do some pretty fine sieving with anything else being dumped into a 'Potential Spam' folder. For mailing lists and usenet I do as I do on TLUG - subscribe a phony name, skim the legit list traffic and dump the rest into a 'This Potential Spam Originated in the TLUG List' folder. Spam gets too heavy? Resubscribe another name. Traffic not meeting a sort criterium from free mailservers (Yahoo, Hotmail, etc) and suspect countries of origin (tr, cz, za, tw, cn, jp, ru etc) get sorted into a 'Potential Spam from xx' folder. The idea being that I might someday decide to auto delete it but in fact never do. -- Regards, Slackrat [Bill Henderson] [No _4Q_ for direct email] --- Don't let Bush or Blair take your Guns - Never Disarm - Sovereignty over any foreign land is insecure.: - Lucius Annaeus Seneca : 4 BC-65. Roman philosopher and playwright -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 05:10:34 2007 From: jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org (jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 00:10:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Mail Setups In-Reply-To: <45F22039.4040809-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw@public.gmane.org> References: <45F1E19E.3040006@tri-coder.org> <4422.66.11.182.5.1173489052.squirrel@canuckster.org> <45F22039.4040809@tri-coder.org> Message-ID: <4808.66.11.182.5.1173503434.squirrel@canuckster.org> > Jason Carson wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> I use qmail on my gentoo server I run out of my house. This is my >> primary >> email server. To access it I use Squirrelmail. >> >> Jason Carson >> >>> I'm just wondering what people's mail setups are like. Do you just >>> POP3 >>> all your email with fetchmail and use a console client? Do you just >>> use >>> webmail like Gmail or Hotmail? Do you have email on a hosting service, >>> and use IMAP? Console/GUI email app? Does your client implement SMTP >>> or do you use a local server? If so, is it fully featured like postfix >>> or basic like ssmtp? >>> >>> I don't want to start some flame war (console vs. gui or mbox vs >>> whatever), I'm just wondering how people on TLUG deal with email. Just >>> something about what you use and why you use it. >>> >>> Personally, I've used things from Apple's Mail.app to Thunderbird to >>> Mutt to Pine to Outlook to Outlook Express over the years. Right now >>> I'm using Thunderbird on OS X, but I was using Mutt previously for a >>> while. >>> >>> An additional question would be how do you deal with Mailing Lists? I >>> know that some people setup specific email addresses for mailing lists. >>> I've even heard of people using a gmail account only for mailing >>> lists >>> because they feel it handles them the best (compared to other webmail >>> clients I guess). >>> >>> Brandon > > > How do you deal with ISP down-time then? I used to do something similar > some years ago. I gave up because every so often my ISP would have > down-time. I would be more comfortable with a hosting service as the > ISP because they are there to support your server/shared server. Home > ISPs have none such customer service aspirations, unfortunately. My internet access doesn't go down much and I can live with the amount of down time I do get... a few times a year and it usually is only down for a small period of time. Jason > Brandon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-G8usDCtqe957Ar2qsurDTA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 05:15:27 2007 From: tlug-G8usDCtqe957Ar2qsurDTA at public.gmane.org (Allen Taylor) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 00:15:27 -0500 Subject: Mail Setups In-Reply-To: <45F1E19E.3040006-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw@public.gmane.org> References: <45F1E19E.3040006@tri-coder.org> Message-ID: <20070310051527.GA1054@thecat.localnet> On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 05:37:18PM -0500, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > I'm just wondering what people's mail setups are like. Getmail (replacing with fetchmail soon) via pop3 from Teksavvy's servers. Mutt for client, either local or remote in via SSH. Allen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 05:47:41 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 00:47:41 -0500 Subject: Mail Setups In-Reply-To: <45F22039.4040809-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw@public.gmane.org> References: <45F1E19E.3040006@tri-coder.org> <4422.66.11.182.5.1173489052.squirrel@canuckster.org> <45F22039.4040809@tri-coder.org> Message-ID: <45F2467D.3000807@utoronto.ca> Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > How do you deal with ISP down-time then? I read a book. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From brandon-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 06:31:38 2007 From: brandon-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 01:31:38 -0500 Subject: Mail Setups In-Reply-To: <45F2467D.3000807-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <45F1E19E.3040006@tri-coder.org> <4422.66.11.182.5.1173489052.squirrel@canuckster.org> <45F22039.4040809@tri-coder.org> <45F2467D.3000807@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <45F250CA.6020107@tri-coder.org> Jamon Camisso wrote: > Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: >> How do you deal with ISP down-time then? > > I read a book. > > Jamon Good one. :) If I were to host my email on a server at home, as he does, I would be worried about remote access. What if the ISP is down when I need to check my email, or at least access some info from an email that I already received? I have more trust in the uptime of professional hosting services than in consumer-level ISPs. Mostly because telcos seem to have a "there is no down-time" or "it must be your line, or your modem or your computer" attitude towards customer inquiries into lack of internet access. This might be misplaced trust, because I realize that cable/dsl internet providers have to have a pretty good uptime most of the time for people to want to pay for their service. I also admit that being paranoid about the ocassional outage is just that (being overly paranoid) but I try and work out what the best option is. Brandon -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 06:41:43 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 01:41:43 -0500 Subject: HTML/Middle-click/Security question... In-Reply-To: <45F211C6.9020606-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45F211C6.9020606@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20070310064143.GB13254@waltdnes.org> On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 09:02:46PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote > How can I make a click-able search result that sends a POST to the > server, works without javascript and supports middle-clicking to > open the search result in a new tab? > > Currently, with the scheme I have, you can't middle-click on the > result at all because it is a form 'submit' button (but looks like > normal text). This is really not good, given that middle-clicking > on search results is a big sell for tabbed browsers. :) > > Any ideas/suggestions/pointers will be *much* appreciated! Can you forget about buttons, and emulate Google? I think it's "dynamic HTML", i.e. adding 'a href="' in front of the URL, and closing it after the URL. A bit more work, but middle-clickable. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 10:45:01 2007 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:45:01 +0100 Subject: Linux kernel 2.6.19 ATA drive support boobytrap In-Reply-To: <20070218062515.GA9071-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20070218062515.GA9071@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <45F28C2D.6080203@visible-assets.com> Hi Walter, I was one of those that ran into the problem that my system wouldn't boot after switching to the 2.6.19-gentoo-r5 kernel. Did your root device change to /dev/sd instead of /dev/hd Currently, I'm not sure what I should make changes in to switch to the newer kernel, but I've selected CONFIG_ATA and CONFIG_ATA_PIIX (this one also supports SATA) Do you use grub? if so, what does the root= instruction in your grub.conf look like? Also, what is your kernel cmdline root=? and /etc/fstab ? Currently, i'm using the ATA_PIIX driver, which also supports SATA <= 2.6.18, but it normally registers the device at /dev/hdc even if it's an SATA drive, which has been a source of some confusion in the past. regards, ~/Chris Walter Dnes wrote: > This is of interest to those who build kernels. There's a discussion > about this on the Gentoo mailing list. If you're moving from 2.6.18 to > 2.6.19, and your system won't boot, and you get kernel panics about not > being able to access the hard drive, this message is for you. > > ATA drive support in .config has been moved out of the SCSI section > and into a section all its own. "make oldconfig" does *NOT* handle this > properly, as I found out "the hard way". The relevant section in > .config is... > > # > # Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers > # > CONFIG_ATA=y > # CONFIG_SATA_AHCI is not set > # CONFIG_SATA_SVW is not set > # CONFIG_ATA_PIIX is not set > # CONFIG_SATA_MV is not set > CONFIG_SATA_NV=y > # CONFIG_PDC_ADMA is not set > > Set CONFIG_ATA=y, and enable your drive controller (I'm on an Nvidia > motherboard, yours will probably be different). With that change made, > I am now able to boot up properly from... > > [m3000][waltdnes][~] uname -r > 2.6.19-gentoo-r5 > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 10:50:52 2007 From: slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slackrat) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:50:52 +0100 Subject: Mail Setups In-Reply-To: <45F250CA.6020107-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw@public.gmane.org> (Brandon Sandrowicz's message of "Sat\, 10 Mar 2007 01\:31\:38 -0500") References: <45F1E19E.3040006@tri-coder.org> <4422.66.11.182.5.1173489052.squirrel@canuckster.org> <45F22039.4040809@tri-coder.org> <45F2467D.3000807@utoronto.ca> <45F250CA.6020107@tri-coder.org> Message-ID: <87y7m5e5ir.fsf@azurservers.com> * Brandon Sandrowicz a ?crit > Jamon Camisso wrote: >> Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: >>> How do you deal with ISP down-time then? >> >> I read a book. >> >> Jamon > > Good one. :) > > If I were to host my email on a server at home, as he does, I would be > worried about remote access. What if the ISP is down when I need to > check my email, or at least access some info from an email that I > already received? > > If you are serious about running a mail server, you can cover downtime with a backup for a small fee at No-Ip.com - probably other places too It's probably worth it I don't use their services for mail, but notwithstanding I have a static IP, I still use the service for the nameservers. Free.fr only give me two, although they do give you reverse DNS, but RFC 2182 recommends Three. That way I don't need to run BIND or similar and if my system is down, I don't get tagged for nameservers down/unreachable/etc -- Regards, Slackrat [Bill Henderson] [No _4Q_ for direct email] - Don't let Bush or Blair take your Guns - Never Disarm - The US administration forgets about the propaganda of democracy if there is a chance to obtain profit -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 11:33:33 2007 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:33:33 +0100 Subject: Linux kernel 2.6.19 ATA drive support boobytrap In-Reply-To: <45F28C2D.6080203-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20070218062515.GA9071@waltdnes.org> <45F28C2D.6080203@visible-assets.com> Message-ID: <45F2978D.2070502@visible-assets.com> Ah, good! I got it working now too... with the old PIIX driver (ata / sata) the root device was named hdc6. Now it's named sda6. Also, i just changed the string [hdc] in my /etc/fstab to be [sda] and there were again, no problems. kernel cmdline is now root=/dev/sda6 instead of /dev/hdc6 Surprisingly, grub somehow works without any changes - thus (hd0,4) stays as (hd0,4) - the boot partition where my bzImage is located. Christopher Friedt wrote: > Hi Walter, > > I was one of those that ran into the problem that my system wouldn't > boot after switching to the 2.6.19-gentoo-r5 kernel. > > Did your root device change to /dev/sd instead of > /dev/hd > > Currently, I'm not sure what I should make changes in to switch to the > newer kernel, but I've selected CONFIG_ATA and CONFIG_ATA_PIIX (this one > also supports SATA) > > Do you use grub? if so, what does the root= instruction in your > grub.conf look like? > > Also, what is your kernel cmdline root=? and /etc/fstab ? > > Currently, i'm using the ATA_PIIX driver, which also supports SATA <= > 2.6.18, but it normally registers the device at /dev/hdc even if it's an > SATA drive, which has been a source of some confusion in the past. > > regards, > > ~/Chris > > > Walter Dnes wrote: >> This is of interest to those who build kernels. There's a discussion >> about this on the Gentoo mailing list. If you're moving from 2.6.18 to >> 2.6.19, and your system won't boot, and you get kernel panics about not >> being able to access the hard drive, this message is for you. >> >> ATA drive support in .config has been moved out of the SCSI section >> and into a section all its own. "make oldconfig" does *NOT* handle this >> properly, as I found out "the hard way". The relevant section in >> .config is... >> >> # >> # Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers >> # >> CONFIG_ATA=y >> # CONFIG_SATA_AHCI is not set >> # CONFIG_SATA_SVW is not set >> # CONFIG_ATA_PIIX is not set >> # CONFIG_SATA_MV is not set >> CONFIG_SATA_NV=y >> # CONFIG_PDC_ADMA is not set >> >> Set CONFIG_ATA=y, and enable your drive controller (I'm on an Nvidia >> motherboard, yours will probably be different). With that change made, >> I am now able to boot up properly from... >> >> [m3000][waltdnes][~] uname -r >> 2.6.19-gentoo-r5 >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rick-h4KjNK7Mzas at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 13:25:38 2007 From: rick-h4KjNK7Mzas at public.gmane.org (Rick Delaney) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:25:38 -0500 Subject: HTML/Middle-click/Security question... In-Reply-To: <45F211C6.9020606-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45F211C6.9020606@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20070310132538.GG6001@bort.ca> On Mar 09 2007, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > For security reasons, on a site I am writing I have made it so that > you cannot pass variables in the URL (ie: > http://domain.com/cgi-bin/script.cgi?foo=bar&baz=boo fails). I do this > by only allowing variables to be passed via a form by checking that the > script was called via a POST instead of a GET command before CGI > variables are read. Switching from GET to POST adds no extra security whatsoever. Now you can forget about "middle-click" and go back to solving your real problem. HTH, -- Rick Delaney rick-h4KjNK7Mzas at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 14:30:47 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:30:47 -0500 Subject: next impressions of slack 11 Message-ID: <45F27AC7.10270.16EC16@sciguy.vex.net> Now that I have Slackware 11 installed, there are some things I like 1. I got my "rl" console font back! 2. I got "splitvt" back! 3. unauthorized sudo access not only gives a "this incident will be reported" message, but the incident is *actually* reported to root! Wow! 3. /dev hasn't been f**cked with - devices I made don't disappear after reboot 4. /etc/group hasn't been f**cked with (I can edit it and add groups without causing problems) Yes, nothing makes me happier than a good base system. The kind that's made for diving in and fixing what's broken -- or imporving on it. However, there seems to be a learning curve with X: I get full menus as root, but as any other user, application menus are completely missing. I guess that's a permission problem somewhere, because I remember kde maintains its menus in actual directories and files. I'll just have to snoop around. Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 15:40:29 2007 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:40:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Mail Setups In-Reply-To: <45F1E3E6.301-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <45F1E3E6.301@monkeyinyoursoul.com> Message-ID: <488439.90672.qm@web60123.mail.yahoo.com> > Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > > I'm just wondering what people's mail setups are > like. Hello, My main email account is a Yahoo one for historical reasons (had it way before google offered gmail, everybody that counts knows the address etc). I also have a gmail account that redirects to my main yahoo account. In my server and for the "pro" email accounts I use Postfix+dovecot+spamassassin and I also have SquirrelMail for some domains (for some reason I liked it better than say, Horde). In emergencies I've used web2mail.com to access email and I can also ssh'd in with a ssh web client too if at one point I have no ssh client or the port is blocked. I also have mutt and the command line in the server just in case! I use port redirect with iptables to avoid the ISP blocking tcp 25 problem. In the client side I use Firefox (duh!) for the web-based accounts and for the other "inportant" ones Thunderbird on Mac, Linux and Windows. Some are POP, some are IMAP. My biggest complaint with thunderbird is its search utility; it's not very good and in the results window you have to click on the results and open new windows to see the message bodies instead of having a panel below like the main window. I also use an email just for mailing lists and second-tier type of email (this one) and a hotmail account for one-off signing up for stuff and non-important things and getting spam. Fernando --------------------- Fernando Duran http://www.fduran.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 16:48:47 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:48:47 -0500 Subject: HTML/Middle-click/Security question... In-Reply-To: <20070310064143.GB13254-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <45F211C6.9020606@alteeve.com> <20070310064143.GB13254@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <45F2E16F.7000400@alteeve.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 09:02:46PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote > >> How can I make a click-able search result that sends a POST to the >> server, works without javascript and supports middle-clicking to >> open the search result in a new tab? >> >> Currently, with the scheme I have, you can't middle-click on the >> result at all because it is a form 'submit' button (but looks like >> normal text). This is really not good, given that middle-clicking >> on search results is a big sell for tabbed browsers. :) >> >> Any ideas/suggestions/pointers will be *much* appreciated! > > Can you forget about buttons, and emulate Google? I think it's > "dynamic HTML", i.e. adding 'a href="' in front of the URL, and closing > it after the URL. A bit more work, but middle-clickable. I'll have to look at the source of a Google search result to see how they did it. I've got pressious little experience with DHTML, maybe it's time to look into it? :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 17:05:34 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:05:34 -0500 Subject: HTML/Middle-click/Security question... In-Reply-To: <20070310132538.GG6001-h4KjNK7Mzas@public.gmane.org> References: <45F211C6.9020606@alteeve.com> <20070310132538.GG6001@bort.ca> Message-ID: <45F2E55E.8000203@alteeve.com> Rick Delaney wrote: > On Mar 09 2007, Madison Kelly wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> For security reasons, on a site I am writing I have made it so that >> you cannot pass variables in the URL (ie: >> http://domain.com/cgi-bin/script.cgi?foo=bar&baz=boo fails). I do this >> by only allowing variables to be passed via a form by checking that the >> script was called via a POST instead of a GET command before CGI >> variables are read. > > Switching from GET to POST adds no extra security whatsoever. Now you > can forget about "middle-click" and go back to solving your real > problem. > > HTH, I have no doubt you are right (I myself have never claimed to be an expert in security). Could I ask though for you to elaborate a bit on why it doesn't help or what methods I could look at that might be better? For a better overview; here is a rough overview of how I handle security. Perhaps you can point out other weak points? - To prevent users trying to pass variables manually I wanted to restrict the program to only pick up variables that were POST'ed (which brings me to this thread). I've seen so many attacks that worked by passing screwed up strings after the script name (my logic for this). Also, I check that the source of the POST was my server (to hopefully prevent an attacker from making their own form on another server). - Passwords are made up of the user's string stuck onto a 32 bytes salt (made up of alternating mixed-case letters, numbers and non-alphanumeric characters) and then converted into a SHA256 hash (many times). The salt is saved in the server's database and is replaced when the password is changed. - Cookies store only two pieces of information; the user's ID (in the server's database) and a SHA256 hash result of: ':::'. The random number is created when a user logs in and is stored in the database. When a user subsequently calls a script I take the user_id from the cookie, today's date, the random number from the DB and the browser's UA and generate a SHA256 hash. It matches the hash in the user's cookie, the session in validated. If the time passes midnight the validation code checks to see if the previous date generates the matching code and, if so, creates a new random number and updates the cookie's hash with the new hash for the new day. - Once devel is done this will all be encrypted via SSL. I am quite curious to know how people go about protecting against user's manually creating URLs with bogus/malicious code/variables. Thanks! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 17:13:16 2007 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:13:16 -0500 Subject: next impressions of slack 11 In-Reply-To: <45F27AC7.10270.16EC16-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <45F27AC7.10270.16EC16@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <20070310121316.4717d1f7.gstrom@teksavvy.com> On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:30:47 -0500 "Paul King" wrote: > I get full menus as root, but as any other user, application menus > are completely missing. I guess that's a permission problem > somewhere, because I remember kde maintains its menus in actual > directories and files. I'll just have to snoop around. > Is /opt/kde/bin in your path in the .bash_profile file? I also have the following entries in .bash_profile: KDEDIR=/opt/kde KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde PATH="$KDEDIR/bin:$PATH" I can't remember if I added them or they were added during the install, but that may help. An alternative is something I saw in an old e-mail I found on Google: -------------------------- Hi Edgar: Ensure these two env. variables are set properly. $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS - this points to files that define the layout of the main menu. Look for files with this naming convention *.menu. $XDG_DATA_DIRS - this points to files with the *.desktop convention. These files define the applications installed in your system. Of course these two variables are dependent on your method of install. For example, my two variables look like this: $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/usr/share:/opt/kde/etc/xdg $XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share:/opt/kde/share "update-desktop-database" must be run after you set these variables. This command will update the connections between your apps and mimetypes. Each directory in your $XDG_DATA_DIRS path will contain a directory named "applications". In this directory should be a file named "mimeinfo.cache". Shawn ------------------------ -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 18:15:56 2007 From: slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slackrat) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:15:56 +0100 Subject: French National Assembly going Linux Message-ID: <87bqj1rmlf.fsf@azurservers.com> The French National Assembly (MPs) will go Linux along with their Parliamentary Assistants in June this year Pardon my not translating the rather lengthy article into English http://www.zdnet.fr/actualites/informatique/0%2c39040745%2c39367717%2c00.htm -- Regards, Slackrat [Bill Henderson] [No _4Q_ for direct email] - Don't let Bush or Blair take your Guns - Never Disarm - The era of the Middle East strongman, propped up by and enforcing Western policy, appears well and truly over. His power is being replaced with rule by CIVIL WAR, apparently now the American Administration's favoured model across the region. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 19:05:39 2007 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:05:39 -0500 Subject: HTML/Middle-click/Security question... In-Reply-To: <45F2E55E.8000203-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45F211C6.9020606@alteeve.com> <20070310132538.GG6001@bort.ca> <45F2E55E.8000203@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <92ee967a0703101105if2ca910ged6a6d518fce6e6c@mail.gmail.com> On 3/10/07, Madison Kelly wrote: > Also, I check that the source of the POST was my server (to hopefully > prevent an attacker from making their own form on another server)." The form is usually downloaded by the client then the results get POSTed. The client can do anything they want with it. ... > I am quite curious to know how people go about protecting against > user's manually creating URLs with bogus/malicious code/variables. You have to assume that all data coming from an untrusted source is malicious. Generally, no client data can be trusted. All of it needs to be carefully checked. There are some libraries which assist with this kind of thing, but nothing to completely solve the problem. In the case of URLs, you know what valid data looks like, so you have to check it. You can be brutal about it.. eg, rather than responding that the input is invalid and why, just blindly convert it all to valid data (truncate, remove invalid characters etc.). I say "generally" because if you're designing an app for a trusted group, and your authentication system is secure, then you can take calculated risks... as long as management doesn't ask you to open it to the public. A rule of thumb on allowing people to access such an app, is whether or not you would give them shell access to your system. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From brandon-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 19:13:58 2007 From: brandon-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:13:58 -0500 Subject: HTML/Middle-click/Security question... In-Reply-To: <45F2E55E.8000203-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45F211C6.9020606@alteeve.com> <20070310132538.GG6001@bort.ca> <45F2E55E.8000203@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <45F30376.4090107@tri-coder.org> Madison Kelly wrote: > Rick Delaney wrote: >> On Mar 09 2007, Madison Kelly wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> For security reasons, on a site I am writing I have made it so that >>> you cannot pass variables in the URL (ie: >>> http://domain.com/cgi-bin/script.cgi?foo=bar&baz=boo fails). I do >>> this by only allowing variables to be passed via a form by checking >>> that the script was called via a POST instead of a GET command before >>> CGI variables are read. >> >> Switching from GET to POST adds no extra security whatsoever. Now you >> can forget about "middle-click" and go back to solving your real >> problem. >> >> HTH, > > I have no doubt you are right (I myself have never claimed to be an > expert in security). Could I ask though for you to elaborate a bit on > why it doesn't help or what methods I could look at that might be better? > > For a better overview; here is a rough overview of how I handle > security. Perhaps you can point out other weak points? > > - To prevent users trying to pass variables manually I wanted to > restrict the program to only pick up variables that were POST'ed (which > brings me to this thread). I've seen so many attacks that worked by > passing screwed up strings after the script name (my logic for this). > Also, I check that the source of the POST was my server (to hopefully > prevent an attacker from making their own form on another server). > > - Passwords are made up of the user's string stuck onto a 32 bytes salt > (made up of alternating mixed-case letters, numbers and non-alphanumeric > characters) and then converted into a SHA256 hash (many times). The salt > is saved in the server's database and is replaced when the password is > changed. > > - Cookies store only two pieces of information; the user's ID (in the > server's database) and a SHA256 hash result of: > ':::'. The random number > is created when a user logs in and is stored in the database. When a > user subsequently calls a script I take the user_id from the cookie, > today's date, the random number from the DB and the browser's UA and > generate a SHA256 hash. It matches the hash in the user's cookie, the > session in validated. If the time passes midnight the validation code > checks to see if the previous date generates the matching code and, if > so, creates a new random number and updates the cookie's hash with the > new hash for the new day. > > - Once devel is done this will all be encrypted via SSL. > > I am quite curious to know how people go about protecting against > user's manually creating URLs with bogus/malicious code/variables. > > Thanks! > > Madison You do realize that people can create fake POST data too. HTTP is a protocol, so I just need to write a program that talks HTTP and I can send all the fake data to it that I want. I don't need to 'create a form on another server.' Anyone serious about breaking into your site would just use a program based on an HTTP library and send whatever fake data that they want to. You protect against bad data by error-checking every piece of data that comes into your webapp from user-input. You can't trust any piece of info that your users give you. You can't even just redisplay the raw data that they give you (that's how XSS -- cross-site scripting attacks -- work). People get their sites broken into by large GET strings because: 1) Error in Apache handling GET strings that are too long 2) Error in PHP/Perl/Python/mod_perl/mod_php/mod_cgi/etc in handling long GET strings 3) The webapp itself doesn't error check user-provided data and just happily assumes that it is good data, then gets burned. Or else assumes that it can't get burned, even if it's bad data (in the case of XSS attacks the developer probably wasn't worried since the data wasn't even going to touch the DB). Most of the time it's #3. Apache/Perl/PHP/etc are fairly mature software compared to Xtreme AJAX WebApp of the week. Brandon -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 19:22:07 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:22:07 -0500 Subject: HTML/Middle-click/Security question... In-Reply-To: <45F2E55E.8000203-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45F211C6.9020606@alteeve.com> <20070310132538.GG6001@bort.ca> <45F2E55E.8000203@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200703101422.07493.softquake@gmail.com> On Saturday 10 March 2007 12:05, Madison Kelly wrote: > - To prevent users trying to pass variables manually I wanted to > restrict the program to only pick up variables that were POST'ed (which > brings me to this thread). I've seen so many attacks that worked by > passing screwed up strings after the script name (my logic for this). > Also, I check that the source of the POST was my server (to hopefully > prevent an attacker from making their own form on another server). As someone noticed, there is in principle no much difference between POST and GET. GET is easier to be manipulated by loosers who have no idea about computers. POST requires intercepting HTTP requests, which is, however, trivial as well. Never ever determine values of GET or POST parameters in an automatic way, by searching for supplied names of parameters. Instead, always use something like this (PHP example): $myvariable = $_POST['myvariable']; No, JavaScript is not unsecure. It is however unsecure when JavaScript is written in silly way or when viewers of web page are silly. The best Internet security is achieved when one does not use the Internet at all. > I am quite curious to know how people go about protecting against > user's manually creating URLs with bogus/malicious code/variables. > zb. > Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 21:33:02 2007 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:33:02 -0500 Subject: HTML/Middle-click/Security question... In-Reply-To: <45F2E55E.8000203-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45F211C6.9020606@alteeve.com> <20070310132538.GG6001@bort.ca> <45F2E55E.8000203@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200703101633.02603.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Saturday 10 March 2007 12:05, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Switching from GET to POST adds no extra security whatsoever. Now you > > can forget about "middle-click" and go back to solving your real > > problem. > > > > HTH, > > I have no doubt you are right (I myself have never claimed to be an > expert in security). Could I ask though for you to elaborate a bit on > why it doesn't help or what methods I could look at that might be better? One advantage to POST is that the variables being passed along will not show up in web server logs (and proxy logs that might be intercepting requests). If however you believe that you're limiting a user's knowledge of the application and/or limiting a user's ability to break the application by using POST and form variables (hidden or not) then that is not true at all - either GET or POST are user supplied variables that must be viewed with equal scepticism (i.e. validation). I think another advantage to POST is that web accelerators (Google Web Accelerator as an example) will not prefetch pages that are sent via POST. If you have GET links on a page then you might have an accelerator inadvertently pre-fetch a page which has destructive, or unintented, consequences - not sure how prevelent this problem is. Check out http://www.owasp.org/ and particularly the guide to building secure web applications and web services (http://superb-east.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/owasp/OWASPGuide2.0.1.pdf) - I haven't read the this new version but I thought v1 of their document wasn't bad. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 22:03:58 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:03:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: IT360 Meeting. Message-ID: <938641.57522.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I will be running a planning meeting for the IT360 show Monday March 12th 7:00 PM at the Starbucks coffee shop inside the Indigo bookshop 2300 Yonge Street (this is JUST north of Eglinton Ave., west side of Yonge St. inside the Yonge-Eglinton Centre (there is an undergound connection, so you can get from the subway to the Indigo without going outside, but...)). Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 23:13:08 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:13:08 -0500 Subject: next impressions of slack 11 In-Reply-To: <45F27AC7.10270.16EC16-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <45F27AC7.10270.16EC16@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <45F33B84.1020505@rogers.com> Paul King wrote: > Yes, nothing makes me happier than a good base system. The kind that's made for > diving in and fixing what's broken -- or imporving on it. It appears your spill chucker could use some imporvment. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 10 23:32:01 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:32:01 -0500 Subject: French National Assembly going Linux In-Reply-To: <87bqj1rmlf.fsf-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA@public.gmane.org> References: <87bqj1rmlf.fsf@azurservers.com> Message-ID: <45F33FF1.9040108@rogers.com> Slackrat wrote: > The French National Assembly (MPs) will go Linux along with their > Parliamentary Assistants in June this year > > Pardon my not translating the rather lengthy article into English > > http://www.zdnet.fr/actualites/informatique/0%2c39040745%2c39367717%2c00.htm > > > Allow me. Technology - the deputies and their assistants will have with the parliamentary re-entry in June PC equipped with the distribution Linux Ubuntu. Derived from the Debian distribution, this operating system is supposed being one of the OS Linux easiest to use. As of the next legislature, in June 2007, 1.154 data-processing stations in particular placed at the disposal of the deputies will integrate the operating system Ubuntu, based on the Linux core. It is at the time of the renewal of the PC of the parliamentary assistants that the Assembled national one decided to migrate of Windows in Linux and to provide, for the first time, with the 577 deputies of the computers equipped with the same software not owners. The invitation to tender was gained by the service companies data-processing Linagora, specialized in the free one, and Unilog, plus general practitioner. The distribution Mandriva Linux was proposed in several other files in string but was not retained. Derived from the Debian distribution, Ubuntu is supposed to answer the concerns of ergonomics and facility of installation of general public. "It is addressed as well to the private individuals as with the confirmed professionals, beginners or who wish to have a free and made safe operating system", summarizes the Ubuntu.fr site, point gathering of the French-speaking community Ubuntu. The deputies and their assistants will also have on their post offices of the office automation continuation OpenOffice, the Firefox navigator and his customer of transport Mozilla Thunderbird, as well as other specific applications. To resort to French people receiving benefits The project was defended by the deputies Richard Cazenave and Bernard Carayon (UMP), which propose to certain advantages of the solutions not owners of which the "lightening of the cost of the data processing in government agencies equipment and the transfer of the value added towards French and European people receiving benefits". Before making her decision, the Parliament ordered a study with Atos Origin, which concludes that "the free solutions offer from now on functionalities adapted to the needs for the deputies and will make it possible to realize substantial savings in spite of certain costs of implementation and formation". According to our information, the budget to equip the data-processing park in free solutions would be about 80.000 euros. The parliamentary room used already free software for its information system: the free Web server Apache and the system of management of Mambo contents. It thus acts of the first migration of PC from a public institution under a OS Linux. The preceding initiatives of administrations around the free software rather concerned the waiters (ministry for Agriculture), the OpenOffice continuation or the navigator Firefox (national gendarmerie and general direction of the taxes). The above courtesy of Babelfish. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 11 01:08:43 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:08:43 -0500 Subject: next impressions of slack 11 In-Reply-To: <45F33B84.1020505-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <45F27AC7.10270.16EC16@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <45F3104B.29359.25EF8CC@sciguy.vex.net> On 10 Mar 2007 at 18:13, James Knott wrote: > Paul King wrote: > > Yes, nothing makes me happier than a good base system. The kind that's made for > > diving in and fixing what's broken -- or imporving on it. > > It appears your spill chucker could use some imporvment. ;-) > The windoze emailer I am using right now (Pegasus) doesn't have a spill chucker. However, its "correct as you go" feature needs some imporvment. :-) I haven't set up anything for email in Slack yet. PK -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 11 02:52:54 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:52:54 -0500 Subject: Thought I would show you my Slack DVD Message-ID: <45F328B6.29817.2BE5950@sciguy.vex.net> I thought it was a half-decent LightScribe design using graphics from the Slackware Website, a kind of miniature shrine to the "subgenius" churchgoers (is there such a thing?). If you wish to see it, surf to http://linux.alimentarus.net and scroll down a bit. linux.alimentarus.net is a mini-linux site I have set up using pages from my Food Science website (alimentarus.net). I thought it would be better to create a "linux" subdomain, and separate the content. Like my food science website, it tends to evolve; and likely over time more stuff will be added. Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 11 03:49:44 2007 From: slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slackrat) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:49:44 +0100 Subject: French National Assembly going Linux In-Reply-To: <45F33FF1.9040108-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> (James Knott's message of "Sat\, 10 Mar 2007 18\:32\:01 -0500") References: <87bqj1rmlf.fsf@azurservers.com> <45F33FF1.9040108@rogers.com> Message-ID: <877itosalj.fsf@azurservers.com> * James Knott a ?crit profondement: > Slackrat wrote: >> The French National Assembly (MPs) will go Linux along with their >> Parliamentary Assistants in June this year >> >> Pardon my not translating the rather lengthy article into English >> >> http://www.zdnet.fr/actualites/informatique/0%2c39040745%2c39367717%2c00.htm >> >> >> > Allow me. > > Technology - the deputies and their assistants will have with the > parliamentary re-entry in June PC equipped with the distribution Linux > Ubuntu. Derived from the Debian distribution, this operating system is > supposed being one of the OS Linux easiest to use. > Hee, Hee I got down to here and thought to myself, "This is a BabelFish job", and sure enough: > > The above courtesy of Babelfish. > But overall, probably a B+ ;) -- Regards, Slackrat [Bill Henderson] [No _4Q_ for direct email] - Don't let Bush or Blair take your Guns - Never Disarm - To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace: - Publius Cornelius Tacitus - 55-117. Roman historian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 11 05:02:41 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:02:41 -0500 Subject: Slack 11 boots up -- some first impressions In-Reply-To: <45F0F202.8391.18E4AFB-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <45EF3E15.1206.373D141@sciguy.vex.net> <45F0F202.8391.18E4AFB@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <20070311050241.GA7136@waltdnes.org> On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 05:34:58AM -0500, Paul King wrote > This time, it would seem that in order to install slackware, I have > to log in as root, and manually mount my filesystem under a virtual > /mnt directory. Otherwise, pkgtool won't work. But you see, in order > to install stuff, I would have to also manually format the install > partitions (there being apparently no install script to streamline > this process for me). To be fair, I only booted once with the DVD, > and I could have missed something, but I don't recall being given > any other choice other than logging on as root. That's basically how the Gentoo install has always worked, except that you're dumped at the root prompt automatically. You have to set up the partitions and mount the root partition and install the basic system. > Once logged in as root, there is no escape. "logout" doesn't work, > and Control+D doesn't log out (I just get another prompt). I do a > "ps ax" to find out what shell I am running. It reports "sh". It > also reports two init processes. Hmph. I powered down manually, > but I may have missed a "reboot" command and didn't try CTRL+ALT+DEL. "reboot" or possibly "halt". Remember that you're running an install DVD, not a Knoppix "live DVD". -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 11 12:36:54 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:36:54 -0400 Subject: French National Assembly going Linux In-Reply-To: <877itosalj.fsf-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA@public.gmane.org> References: <45F33FF1.9040108@rogers.com> (James Knott's message of "Sat\, 10 Mar 2007 18\:32\:01 -0500") Message-ID: <45F3BFA6.19246.4D505C7@sciguy.vex.net> I found an English article on this same topic, but it is dated in Nov 2006. http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6138372.html Seems to be covering the same subject. Paul King On 11 Mar 2007 at 4:49, Slackrat wrote: > > * James Knott a ??crit profondement: > > > Slackrat wrote: > >> The French National Assembly (MPs) will go Linux along with their > >> Parliamentary Assistants in June this year > >> > >> Pardon my not translating the rather lengthy article into English > >> > >> http://www.zdnet.fr/actualites/informatique/0%2c39040745%2c39367717%2c00.htm > >> > >> > >> > > Allow me. > > > > Technology - the deputies and their assistants will have with the > > parliamentary re-entry in June PC equipped with the distribution Linux > > Ubuntu. Derived from the Debian distribution, this operating system is > > supposed being one of the OS Linux easiest to use. > > > > Hee, Hee > > I got down to here and thought to myself, "This is a BabelFish job", > and sure enough: > > > > The above courtesy of Babelfish. > > > > But overall, probably a B+ > > ;) > > > -- > Regards, Slackrat [Bill Henderson] [No _4Q_ for direct email] > - > Don't let Bush or Blair take your Guns - Never Disarm > - > To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; > and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace: > - Publius Cornelius Tacitus - 55-117. Roman historian > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > __________ NOD32 2107 (20070311) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 11 18:37:45 2007 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:37:45 -0400 Subject: Hosed XFS drive? Message-ID: <20070311183745.GA21672@amtoo.utoronto.ca> I was replacing a hard drive yesterday to install a newer drive with a higher storage capacity, planning to copy the files from the uninstalled drive by using an SATA/IDE USB 2 cable (a nifty little invention). All was working fine until I deleted some symlinks on the uninstalled drive, now connected by USB, when I started getting messages from the XFS file system like "structure needs refreshing". Very odd. I unplugged it all and went to bed. Well, now this morning that particular partition on the uninstalled drive Will Not Mount. No matter what, it tells me I have a bad superblock. No problem, though -- that's the joy of journalling filesystems, right? So I ran xfs_repair on the device as connected over USB. So xfs_repair correctly reports a damaged superblock, and then tries to find the secondary to repair it. But then, somehow, the whole thing fails: xfs_repair seems to get stuck in a loop, and dmesg fills up with messages about a "dead drive" (by which it seems to mean that the attempt to fix things at the low level has screwed up its ability to communicate over USB). Now I'm stuck. I can't mount or repair the relevant partition, it seems. Anyone with any experience fixing XFS filesystems? Any ideas? ... and of course, this all happened as I was trying to install more storage space to make proper backups... -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 215 Huron Street The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5S 1A2 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 11 21:20:19 2007 From: jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (John Sellens) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ntpdate vs telnet on 13 Message-ID: <200703112120.l2BLKJLN042190@localhost.generalconcepts.com> | Why is it that | telnet sundial.columbia.edu 13 | shows the proper time (given the new daylight saving rules) It tells you the time at that remote location. | whereas | ntpdate -q sundial.columbia.edu | doesn't know about the new rules? It gets the universal time over the network, and applies your local timezone. | Is there some sort of timezone file on this Fedora Core 3 system I need | to modify? /etc/localtime is usually a copy of a file in /usr/share/zoneinfo. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 11 22:19:08 2007 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Hosed XFS drive? In-Reply-To: <20070311183745.GA21672-LMpBBneordZSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <20070311183745.GA21672@amtoo.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Peter King wrote: > Anyone with any experience fixing XFS filesystems? Any ideas? Try using xfs_repair -L. This will zero the log and then attempt the repair. You may lose data out of this, as per the man page. In the years that I've been using XFS I've had 2 occassions when a vanilla xfs_repair failed but an xfs_repair -L succeeded (without data loss). Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 12 03:05:43 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:05:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: slack 11 menu problems Message-ID: <61548.67.70.63.41.1173668743.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> According to Glen's instructions, I added the following lines to my .bash_profile: ============== KDEDIR=/opt/kde KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde PATH="$KDEDIR/bin:$PATH" export PATH export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/usr/share:/opt/kde/etc/xdg export XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share:/opt/kde/share ================ The added "old email" was unclear as to whether the last two environment variables were to be put into the same file. I ran them without, and then with. I sourced the file, and ran update-desktop-database The error message said: No directories in update-desktop-database search path could be processed and updated. I checked /opt/kde/etc/xdg and there were *.menu files there. They all have permission 644. Does anyone understand the above error? Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 12 04:05:32 2007 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:05:32 -0400 Subject: slack 11 menu problems In-Reply-To: <61548.67.70.63.41.1173668743.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0lrcv4dJfSQg@public.gmane.org> References: <61548.67.70.63.41.1173668743.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> Message-ID: <20070312000532.1825efbf.gstrom@teksavvy.com> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:05:43 -0500 (EST) sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org wrote: > According to Glen's instructions, I added the following lines to my > .bash_profile: > > ============== > KDEDIR=/opt/kde > KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde > PATH="$KDEDIR/bin:$PATH" > > export PATH > export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/usr/share:/opt/kde/etc/xdg > export XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share:/opt/kde/share > ================ > > The added "old email" was unclear as to whether the last two > environment variables were to be put into the same file. I ran them > without, and then with. I sourced the file, and ran > update-desktop-database > > The error message said: > > No directories in update-desktop-database search path could be > processed and updated. > > I checked /opt/kde/etc/xdg and there were *.menu files there. They all > have permission 644. Does anyone understand the above error? > > Paul King > I found the following in a KDE manual. Perhaps this might help. "After an upgrade my K menu appears to be empty! How can I get my menu back? In KDE 3.2 and later local modifications to the K menu are stored in $HOME/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu . Try moving this file out of the way and then issuing the command kbuildsycoca --noincremental. This should restore you to the default system menus." Yes, I'm guessing. Maybe that's why I use icewm as my window manager within KDE and stick to my own hand-built menus. I long ago gave up trying to understand the KDE menu system. But hey, it conforms to the Desktop Menu Specification, so it must be right, right? -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 12 15:38:28 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:38:28 -0400 Subject: shell help: check for regex in variable Message-ID: <20070312153828.GA27095@watson-wilson.ca> How can I check that a variable ends in .pid? loose example pidfile="/var/run/myproc.pid" if [[ $pidfile contains ".*\.pid$" ]] Is this possible? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 13 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 12 17:57:55 2007 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:57:55 -0400 Subject: shell help: check for regex in variable In-Reply-To: <20070312153828.GA27095-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070312153828.GA27095@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <1f13df280703121057p18db3559ve443596e779a4f67@mail.gmail.com> On 3/12/07, Neil Watson wrote: > How can I check that a variable ends in .pid? > > loose example > pidfile="/var/run/myproc.pid" > > if [[ $pidfile contains ".*\.pid$" ]] > > Is this possible? If using bash, how about: if [ ${pidfile} = ${pidfile%.pid} ] then # the filename does NOT have .pid on the end. fi ${pidfile%.pid} strips ".pid" off the end if it exists. If it doesn't exist, the variable is unchanged. I wouldn't know how to do this in sh, sorry. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 12 18:17:01 2007 From: jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:17:01 -0400 Subject: Ide drive /yes/not recognized In-Reply-To: <45F07CEC.1060609-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <45EEE7B3.9060802@totaltravelmarketing.com> <45EEEFE0.7030007@telly.org> <45EF02D3.8010104@totaltravelmarketing.com> <45F07CEC.1060609@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <45F5991D.7010603@totaltravelmarketing.com> Jose wrote: > Jose wrote: >> Evan Leibovitch wrote: >>> Jose wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All >>>> >>>> I have this new machine that comes with dual core, it has 3 ide >>>> connector, one it's the default, already connected to a DVDrom (hdb), >>>> and one IDE master drive (hda), where I installed a dual boot with >>>> Suse 10.2 and Centos 4.4, I have installed another IDE (hdf SUse)aside >>>> of another SATA (sda) drive on this machine, Suse recognizes the 3 >>>> drives + dvd, Centos only recognizes the primary master IDE, DVD, and >>>> SATA drive, but does not recognizes the second IDE, I have no idea >>>> why it would happen on the Centos side, I connected a usb drive while >>>> on Centos and it recognized it within seconds. >>>> >>> Hi Jose, >>> >>> Newer dual-core motherboards, notably from Intel, use new IDE >>> controllers that older Linux kernels don't support. This may explain >>> why >>> your SuSE recognized the drive but Centos did not; I have little >>> experiences with recent releases of either. You may find that the >>> Centos >>> "support" for your IDE drives is limited to booting (because of the >>> BIOS) and is not supported in regular operation any more than the IDE >>> hard drive. >>> >>> There is a driver/patch that supports the new systems with Marvell IDE >>> controllers: >>> http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/10/16/157 >>> >>> This will provide a kernel module 'pata_marvell' which, when loaded, >>> will recognize the hard drives and other 'conventional' IDE devices >>> (which are now know as Parallel ATA or PATA). >>> >>> What I did was to: >>> 1) Boot and install Linux off an external USB-connected CD-ROM drive >>> 2) Go to the net, download the PATA driver >>> 3) Compile, install and load the module >>> 4) Add it to /etc/modules so that it would be found and loaded >>> automatically on subsequent reboots >>> >>> Or you could just use a distribution/version with a newer kernel that >>> already has the support (as your SuSE apparently does). >>> >>> I hope this helps. As always, YMMV, standard disclaimers apply. >>> >>> - Evan >>> >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >>> >>> >> Hi Evan, >> >> Thanks for your suggestion, that made me check something on the >> motherboard manual. >> >> Looking at the motherboard manual, says that I have to apply a driver >> for IDE drives from the CDROM it came with it, I guess the guy at the >> shop didn't install it, I would have to install tonight as the >> machine is at another location, last night I noticed there is an >> update for the Centos kernel from their repositories, I would check >> if this version has the support I need for my machine configuration. >> >> Jose >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> > Hi Evan > > I tried playing with the motherboard settings, but nothing, same > results, I am not that familiar with compiling modules or kernels, I > would have to dig out the instructions how to do that. > > Jose > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > Hi Evan Just an update on this one, I got to download a newer kernel from kernel.org, and after playing around, got it to compile, booted up and got my IDE drives back, problem is that now with this kernel, the software I wanted to try (free version from Veritas for linux, sends a message during install and quits) won't run on any non 2.6.9 or lower, I tried cheating with recompiling the new kernel and changing the version from the Makefile to 2.6.9, compiled, booted up, and got it to install Veritas to an extent, but main daemon vxconfigd, sends a message saying it couldn't install due to some package dependency, I boot up with the older kernel and installed fine, does anybody knows what patches would be necessary to get the old kernel 2.6.9-42 to recognize IDE drives conected to EIDE prots on an asus P5LD2 motherboard? Thanks Jose -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ssemenyuk-5xk6gukWl5lWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 12 20:16:37 2007 From: ssemenyuk-5xk6gukWl5lWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Sergey Semenyuk) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:16:37 -0500 Subject: shell help: check for regex in variable In-Reply-To: <1f13df280703121057p18db3559ve443596e779a4f67-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070312153828.GA27095@watson-wilson.ca> <1f13df280703121057p18db3559ve443596e779a4f67@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45F5B525.2060606@linux-on.com> Hi Giles, really quick one from the top of my head: if [ -z "`echo $pidfile | egrep -e '\.pid$'`" ]; then doesn't have pid at the end ...... Sergey Giles Orr wrote: > On 3/12/07, Neil Watson wrote: >> How can I check that a variable ends in .pid? >> >> loose example >> pidfile="/var/run/myproc.pid" >> >> if [[ $pidfile contains ".*\.pid$" ]] >> >> Is this possible? > > If using bash, how about: > > if [ ${pidfile} = ${pidfile%.pid} ] > then > # the filename does NOT have .pid on the end. > fi > > ${pidfile%.pid} strips ".pid" off the end if it exists. If it doesn't > exist, the variable is unchanged. I wouldn't know how to do this in > sh, sorry. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 12 19:38:39 2007 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:38:39 -0400 Subject: daylight savings time issues? Message-ID: <1173728319.6430.9.camel@localhost> hi, i'm having a little unexpected trouble with the new DST on my ubuntu-feisty laptop. when i woke up Sunday mroning, the laptop had not switched to DST, so I ram sudo ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com which reset me to the proper time. however, shortly thereafter when i checked the clock -- probably about an hour or so later though I can't be sure -- the time had reverted back to standard time. my zone information is up to date, at least i think it is: ~$ zdump -v /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern | grep 2007 /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern Sun Mar 11 06:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Mar 11 01:59:59 2007 EST isdst=0 gmtoff=-18000 /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern Sun Mar 11 07:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun Mar 11 03:00:00 2007 EDT isdst=1 gmtoff=-14400 /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern Sun Nov 4 05:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Nov 4 01:59:59 2007 EDT isdst=1 gmtoff=-14400 /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern Sun Nov 4 06:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun Nov 4 01:00:00 2007 EST isdst=0 gmtoff=-18000 nonetheless every time i reboot or resume from suspend, my clock is set wrong, and i have to run ntpdate. The only other piece of information i have is that the gnome time-admin applet can't seem to tset the time right, even though ntpdate does, making me wondering if there's something messed up in gnome somewhere. so, any hints? thanks, matt -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 12 19:41:48 2007 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:41:48 -0400 Subject: make-kpkg makes HUGE kernel packages?? In-Reply-To: <20070307224854.GY22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1173236699.21104.9.camel@localhost> <7ac602420703070451q7cfe4039x9799be11b797c924@mail.gmail.com> <1173287724.24903.2.camel@localhost> <20070307174112.GX22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1173299578.24646.2.camel@localhost> <20070307224854.GY22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1173728508.6430.13.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 17:48 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 03:32:58PM -0500, Matt Price wrote: > > i looked through /lib/modules, and the hugeness is pretty evenly > > distributed throughout. i don't know tyhat much about debug settings, > > but i did a grep for DEBUg in my .config and came up with the below -- > > is this likely the source of my problem? > > Could you do: > > df -h /lib/modules/*/* > sorry for the delay lennart; in fact, i had already uninstalled and deleted the resultant packages by the time i got your email, as my /boot and / were VERY cramped (100%, in fact) as a result of their presence; and I didn't really have another machine i was willing to install these packages on. in any case i tried the compilation with all debug options set to N, and i ended up with a more normal kernel. so hopefully that's the solution -- and indeed it seems to be working thus far on my mythtv box. thanks, matt > > ~$ grep -i debug /usr/src/.config > > # CONFIG_KEYS_DEBUG_PROC_KEYS is not set > > Not sure if any of those are a problem. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 12 19:45:58 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:45:58 -0400 Subject: shell help: check for regex in variable In-Reply-To: <45F5B525.2060606-5xk6gukWl5lWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20070312153828.GA27095@watson-wilson.ca> <1f13df280703121057p18db3559ve443596e779a4f67@mail.gmail.com> <45F5B525.2060606@linux-on.com> Message-ID: <7ac602420703121245w1716adc9m5eb02eb1b0e9b4d9@mail.gmail.com> On 3/12/07, Sergey Semenyuk wrote: > if [ -z "`echo $pidfile | egrep -e '\.pid$'`" ]; then > doesn't have pid at the end You could probably also do that this way: if echo $pidfile | grep -q '\.pid$'; then echo it does have pid at the end; fi Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 12 22:34:46 2007 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:34:46 -0400 Subject: shell help: check for regex in variable In-Reply-To: <20070312153828.GA27095-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070312153828.GA27095@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20070312223446.GA19405@wp.magstar.net> On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 11:38:28AM -0400, Neil Watson wrote: > How can I check that a variable ends in .pid? > > loose example > pidfile="/var/run/myproc.pid" > > if [[ $pidfile contains ".*\.pid$" ]] > > Is this possible? case $pidfile in *.pid) echo ... ;; esac -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 13 02:05:01 2007 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:05:01 -0400 Subject: daylight savings time issues? In-Reply-To: <1173728319.6430.9.camel@localhost> References: <1173728319.6430.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200703122205.01566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 12 March 2007 15:38, Matt Price wrote: > ~$ zdump -v /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern | grep 2007 > /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern Sun Mar 11 06:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun > Mar 11 01:59:59 2007 EST isdst=0 gmtoff=-18000 > /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern Sun Mar 11 07:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun > Mar 11 03:00:00 2007 EDT isdst=1 gmtoff=-14400 > /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern Sun Nov 4 05:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun > Nov 4 01:59:59 2007 EDT isdst=1 gmtoff=-14400 > /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern Sun Nov 4 06:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun > Nov 4 01:00:00 2007 EST isdst=0 gmtoff=-18000 A few things to check: - check /etc/localtime to be sure that it matches /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern - if it does then you have a very interesting problem - check that you're running latest tzdata (dpkg -l | grep tzdata), in my case I'm running 2007b-0ubuntu0.6.10 - check /etc/timezone to make sure Canada/Eastern is what you configured If my first tip above checks out then there's no need to check the rest, your zoneinfo is fine. A few other things related to clock: - run hwclock, if time is not correct run ntpdate to correct system time and then run "hwclock --systohc" > The only other piece of information i have is that the gnome time-admin > applet can't seem to tset the time right, even though ntpdate does, > making me wondering if there's something messed up in gnome somewhere. Could be GNOME, I run kubuntu on both my laptop and desktop, both switched to DST just fine. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 13 02:44:57 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:44:57 -0400 Subject: daylight savings time issues. Message-ID: <45F61029.3050801@rogers.com> My 6.10 Ubuntu desktop didn't turnover automatically. I had to set up ntp (not ntpdate) in order to make it happen. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 13 03:29:20 2007 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:29:20 -0400 Subject: mail list servers Message-ID: <4386c5b20703122029p4e710d24n8ca197bccc62988d@mail.gmail.com> Hi there, I'd like some recommendations on list server software that would be easy to setup on my hosted web site (PHP/MySQL, but no command line access). The features I'm really looking for are the ability for all list members to send a message to an address, and all members receive it. An archive of all messages would also be nice. I understand something like Majordomo is the package, but I don't think I can install it without shell access. I was recommended by the ISP to use DaDa list server, but it apparently doesn't support list distribution by its members. It's admin-to-many, not any-to-many, as it were. Your advice is appreciated! Cheers, Aaron. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 13 11:14:00 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:14:00 -0400 Subject: daylight savings time issues. In-Reply-To: <45F61029.3050801-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <45F61029.3050801@rogers.com> Message-ID: <45F68778.7020704@rogers.com> John McGregor wrote: > My 6.10 Ubuntu desktop didn't turnover automatically. I had to set up > ntp (not ntpdate) in order to make it happen. All 4 of my SUSE systems updated properly. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kru_tch-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 13 13:10:14 2007 From: kru_tch-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Stephen Allen) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:10:14 -0400 Subject: mail list servers In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20703122029p4e710d24n8ca197bccc62988d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20703122029p4e710d24n8ca197bccc62988d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45F6A2B6.1000300@yahoo.ca> Aaron Vegh wrote: > Hi there, > I'd like some recommendations on list server software that would be > easy to setup on my hosted web site (PHP/MySQL, but no command line > access). > > The features I'm really looking for are the ability for all list > members to send a message to an address, and all members receive it. > An archive of all messages would also be nice. > Might wish to take a look at Mailman. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 13 13:26:13 2007 From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:26:13 -0400 Subject: daylight savings time issues. In-Reply-To: <45F61029.3050801-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <45F61029.3050801@rogers.com> Message-ID: Hi John, I'm running Ubuntu edgy as well and I think there was a timezone data file update last friday which allowed my laptop to leap ahead on time. Cheers, Randy On 3/12/07, John McGregor wrote: > My 6.10 Ubuntu desktop didn't turnover automatically. I had to set up > ntp (not ntpdate) in order to make it happen. > > John > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Oscar Developer McMaster University 75 Frid Street, Hamilton, ON 905 525 9140 x27735 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 13 14:38:20 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:38:20 -0400 Subject: Ide drive /yes/not recognized In-Reply-To: <45F5991D.7010603-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <45EEE7B3.9060802@totaltravelmarketing.com> <45EEEFE0.7030007@telly.org> <45EF02D3.8010104@totaltravelmarketing.com> <45F07CEC.1060609@totaltravelmarketing.com> <45F5991D.7010603@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <20070313143820.GC22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 02:17:01PM -0400, Jose wrote: > Just an update on this one, I got to download a newer kernel from > kernel.org, and after playing around, got it to compile, booted up and > got my IDE drives back, problem is that now with this kernel, the > software I wanted to try (free version from Veritas for linux, sends a > message during install and quits) won't run on any non 2.6.9 or lower, I > tried cheating with recompiling the new kernel and changing the version > from the Makefile to 2.6.9, compiled, booted up, and got it to install > Veritas to an extent, but main daemon vxconfigd, sends a message saying > it couldn't install due to some package dependency, I boot up with the > older kernel and installed fine, does anybody knows what patches would > be necessary to get the old kernel 2.6.9-42 to recognize IDE drives > conected to EIDE prots on an asus P5LD2 motherboard? If you managed to get it to recognize, it would be in PIO mode at about 2MB/s transfer rate and practically unusuable. Is the software really worth that hassle? It can't be actively maintained if it won't run on a kernel higher than 2.6.9 after all. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 13 16:46:23 2007 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:46:23 -0400 Subject: mail list servers In-Reply-To: <45F6A2B6.1000300-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20703122029p4e710d24n8ca197bccc62988d@mail.gmail.com> <45F6A2B6.1000300@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4386c5b20703130946s43418088k85badda75278e35e@mail.gmail.com> Mailman appears to be a webmail client??? http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ Or is there another Mailman? Cheers, Aaron On 3/13/07, Stephen Allen wrote: > Aaron Vegh wrote: > > Hi there, > > I'd like some recommendations on list server software that would be > > easy to setup on my hosted web site (PHP/MySQL, but no command line > > access). > > > > The features I'm really looking for are the ability for all list > > members to send a message to an address, and all members receive it. > > An archive of all messages would also be nice. > > > > Might wish to take a look at Mailman. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From brandon-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 13 16:51:16 2007 From: brandon-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:51:16 -0400 Subject: mail list servers In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20703130946s43418088k85badda75278e35e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20703122029p4e710d24n8ca197bccc62988d@mail.gmail.com> <45F6A2B6.1000300@yahoo.ca> <4386c5b20703130946s43418088k85badda75278e35e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45F6D684.40000@tri-coder.org> Aaron Vegh wrote: > Mailman appears to be a webmail client??? > > http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ > > Or is there another Mailman? > > Cheers, > Aaron > > On 3/13/07, Stephen Allen wrote: >> Aaron Vegh wrote: >> > Hi there, >> > I'd like some recommendations on list server software that would be >> > easy to setup on my hosted web site (PHP/MySQL, but no command line >> > access). >> > >> > The features I'm really looking for are the ability for all list >> > members to send a message to an address, and all members receive it. >> > An archive of all messages would also be nice. >> > >> >> Might wish to take a look at Mailman. > As I recall, Mailman is python-based mailing list software. (looked it up... http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 13 16:57:34 2007 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:57:34 -0400 Subject: mail list servers In-Reply-To: <45F6D684.40000-77Z/iqU1yLlrovVCs/uTlw@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20703122029p4e710d24n8ca197bccc62988d@mail.gmail.com> <45F6A2B6.1000300@yahoo.ca> <4386c5b20703130946s43418088k85badda75278e35e@mail.gmail.com> <45F6D684.40000@tri-coder.org> Message-ID: <4386c5b20703130957t5800aa6eo383b0e7c592c654f@mail.gmail.com> Ahh, that's different! Thanks for the pointer. However, it appears to require shell access to the server to install, no? That's one of myproblems: I don't have a shell on the sever in question. Cheers, Aaron. On 3/13/07, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > Aaron Vegh wrote: > > Mailman appears to be a webmail client??? > > > > http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ > > > > Or is there another Mailman? > > > > Cheers, > > Aaron > > > > On 3/13/07, Stephen Allen wrote: > >> Aaron Vegh wrote: > >> > Hi there, > >> > I'd like some recommendations on list server software that would be > >> > easy to setup on my hosted web site (PHP/MySQL, but no command line > >> > access). > >> > > >> > The features I'm really looking for are the ability for all list > >> > members to send a message to an address, and all members receive it. > >> > An archive of all messages would also be nice. > >> > > >> > >> Might wish to take a look at Mailman. > > > > As I recall, Mailman is python-based mailing list software. > > (looked it up... http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/) > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 13 17:06:31 2007 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Projector for April Meeting Message-ID: Hi all. Is anyone able to provide a project for the meeting on April 10? We currently don't have a projector available. Cheers, Rob (talks maintainer) -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 13 17:26:42 2007 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 13 Mar 2007 13:26:42 -0400 Subject: Projector for April Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Robert Brockway writes: > Hi all. Is anyone able to provide a project for the meeting on April 10? > We currently don't have a projector available. > > Rob (talks maintainer) I should be around and I can bring one. TTYL, -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 13 17:55:16 2007 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:55:16 -0400 Subject: Projector for April Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 13/03/07, Robert Brockway wrote: > Hi all. Is anyone able to provide a project for the meeting on April 10? linuxcaffes 2000 lumens at your service. djp -- djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org www.linuxcaffe.ca geek chic and caffe cachet 326 Harbord Street, Toronto, M6G 3A5, (416) 534-2116 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 13 18:25:00 2007 From: jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:25:00 -0400 Subject: Ide drive /yes/not recognized In-Reply-To: <20070313143820.GC22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <45EEE7B3.9060802@totaltravelmarketing.com> <45EEEFE0.7030007@telly.org> <45EF02D3.8010104@totaltravelmarketing.com> <45F07CEC.1060609@totaltravelmarketing.com> <45F5991D.7010603@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20070313143820.GC22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <45F6EC7C.6030203@totaltravelmarketing.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 02:17:01PM -0400, Jose wrote: > >> Just an update on this one, I got to download a newer kernel from >> kernel.org, and after playing around, got it to compile, booted up and >> got my IDE drives back, problem is that now with this kernel, the >> software I wanted to try (free version from Veritas for linux, sends a >> message during install and quits) won't run on any non 2.6.9 or lower, I >> tried cheating with recompiling the new kernel and changing the version >> from the Makefile to 2.6.9, compiled, booted up, and got it to install >> Veritas to an extent, but main daemon vxconfigd, sends a message saying >> it couldn't install due to some package dependency, I boot up with the >> older kernel and installed fine, does anybody knows what patches would >> be necessary to get the old kernel 2.6.9-42 to recognize IDE drives >> conected to EIDE prots on an asus P5LD2 motherboard? >> > > If you managed to get it to recognize, it would be in PIO mode at about > 2MB/s transfer rate and practically unusuable. > > Is the software really worth that hassle? It can't be actively > maintained if it won't run on a kernel higher than 2.6.9 after all. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > Hi Len, It's more about learning the software that I really need to do, I was also surprise it won't run on anything higher than 2.6.9. I guess my last try would be to create a vmware instance and add virtual drives to it. Jose -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 13 18:34:51 2007 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 13 Mar 2007 14:34:51 -0400 Subject: Projector for April Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "David J Patrick" writes: > On 13/03/07, Robert Brockway wrote: > > Hi all. Is anyone able to provide a project for the meeting on April 10? > > linuxcaffes 2000 lumens at your service. Take this one :) Mine is only 1100 or 1300 lumens. -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 13 20:01:26 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:01:26 -0400 Subject: Ide drive /yes/not recognized In-Reply-To: <45F6EC7C.6030203-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <45EEE7B3.9060802@totaltravelmarketing.com> <45EEEFE0.7030007@telly.org> <45EF02D3.8010104@totaltravelmarketing.com> <45F07CEC.1060609@totaltravelmarketing.com> <45F5991D.7010603@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20070313143820.GC22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <45F6EC7C.6030203@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <20070313200126.GE22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 02:25:00PM -0400, Jose wrote: > It's more about learning the software that I really need to do, I was > also surprise it won't run on anything higher than 2.6.9. > > I guess my last try would be to create a vmware instance and add virtual > drives to it. That might actually be a much better way to learn since you can create many more disks that way. And it would be easier to get vmware to run an ancient kernel too since it emulates older hardware. Whatever ancient redhat based system that software expects could then be installed. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 13 20:00:10 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:00:10 -0400 Subject: mail list servers In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20703130957t5800aa6eo383b0e7c592c654f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20703122029p4e710d24n8ca197bccc62988d@mail.gmail.com> <45F6A2B6.1000300@yahoo.ca> <4386c5b20703130946s43418088k85badda75278e35e@mail.gmail.com> <45F6D684.40000@tri-coder.org> <4386c5b20703130957t5800aa6eo383b0e7c592c654f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070313200010.GD22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 12:57:34PM -0400, Aaron Vegh wrote: > Ahh, that's different! Thanks for the pointer. > > However, it appears to require shell access to the server to install, > no? That's one of myproblems: I don't have a shell on the sever in > question. I really doubt there is anything you can install that doesn't require shell access, if not even more than that. A mailing list after all has to handle things when email arives, which is hardly something the web server is involved in. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 13 21:11:23 2007 From: jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:11:23 -0400 Subject: Ide drive /yes/not recognized In-Reply-To: <20070313200126.GE22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <45EEE7B3.9060802@totaltravelmarketing.com> <45EEEFE0.7030007@telly.org> <45EF02D3.8010104@totaltravelmarketing.com> <45F07CEC.1060609@totaltravelmarketing.com> <45F5991D.7010603@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20070313143820.GC22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <45F6EC7C.6030203@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20070313200126.GE22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <45F7137B.9070403@totaltravelmarketing.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 02:25:00PM -0400, Jose wrote: > >> It's more about learning the software that I really need to do, I was >> also surprise it won't run on anything higher than 2.6.9. >> >> I guess my last try would be to create a vmware instance and add virtual >> drives to it. >> > > That might actually be a much better way to learn since you can create > many more disks that way. And it would be easier to get vmware to run > an ancient kernel too since it emulates older hardware. Whatever > ancient redhat based system that software expects could then be > installed. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > Yeap, I was thinking of it as a last resort, thanks to all for your suggestions, compiling and getting the kernels going was fun tough. Jose -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 12 17:07:25 2007 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:07:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: shell help: check for regex in variable In-Reply-To: <20070312153828.GA27095-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070312153828.GA27095@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Neil Watson wrote: > How can I check that a variable ends in .pid? > > loose example > pidfile="/var/run/myproc.pid" > > if [[ $pidfile contains ".*\.pid$" ]] > > Is this possible? case $pidfile in *.pid) true ;; *) false ;; esac Replace true and false with the appropriate actions. -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 00:02:28 2007 From: jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux+ Exam Message-ID: <2985.66.11.182.5.1173830548.squirrel@canuckster.org> Greetings, I forgot who brought it up last week but they mentioned they wrote there Red Hat Certification and asked about the Linux+ Exam. I wrote mine today and passed. I scored 830/900, the passing mark was 675. I recommend using TestKing (http://www.testking.com/)to study. If you have any questions about the exam feel free to ask. Jason Carson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 02:36:41 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:36:41 -0400 Subject: perl / ifram / javascript question Message-ID: <45F75FB9.6060102@alteeve.com> Hi all, I've got a thing I want to do with my web app that I know is possible but can't for the life of me figure out... I've googled this do death but am probably stumbling over something really simple. Anyway, I want to use perl to round a number (for now; later want to submit a form without reloading the whole page). So I'd like to be able to have a javascript function pass a couple variables to a perl script (ie: 'http://foo.com/cgi-bin/script?num=&precision='). Then, once the perl script does it's magic, load the numbers into hidden form fields via an iframe for the calling script to read). Hope this makes sense :) Thanks in advance! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 02:44:06 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:44:06 -0400 Subject: HTML/Middle-click/Security question... In-Reply-To: <200703101633.02603.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <45F211C6.9020606@alteeve.com> <20070310132538.GG6001@bort.ca> <45F2E55E.8000203@alteeve.com> <200703101633.02603.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <45F76176.10205@alteeve.com> Mike, Brandon, Zbigniew and Fraser, Thanks very kindly for all your detailed replies! So knowing now that Get/Post isn't any more secure I'll have to rethink how I handle security. I am happy to say that one piece of advice you guys gave me, validating CGI variables, I am already doing. :) Maybe I am getting to paranoid about this issue then? It is good to know that Post's aren't cached; so I will probably stick to using forms for back end pages and allow Get's for front end pages. Specifically with regards to the search engine, I will change the results to only point to public pages using normal 'http://foo.com/cgi-bin/script.cgi?var1=foo&var2=bar'). If the user is logged in (and has privs), I'll show an "Edit" button which can use a form to call the admin page. So again, thank you all kindly! You've helped me understand security a wee bit better. Also, I've bookmarked the OWASP site. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 02:55:53 2007 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:55:53 -0400 Subject: perl / ifram / javascript question In-Reply-To: <45F75FB9.6060102-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45F75FB9.6060102@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <45F76439.2050205@pobox.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got a thing I want to do with my web app that I know is > possible but can't for the life of me figure out... I've googled this > do death but am probably stumbling over something really simple. > > Anyway, I want to use perl to round a number (for now; later want to > submit a form without reloading the whole page). > > So I'd like to be able to have a javascript function pass a couple > variables to a perl script (ie: > 'http://foo.com/cgi-bin/script?num=&precision='). > Then, once the perl script does it's magic, load the numbers into > hidden form fields via an iframe for the calling script to read). Well you could just do it in javascript, e.g. 1.563532.toPrecision(3) == "1.56" Do you have a particular reason for wanting to do the rounding server-side? I don't know if there's a cleverer way to do it in Perl, but sprintf will do the trick, e.g. sprintf("%.2f", 1.5678). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fajarpri-RL4StXjWbcMdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 12:07:24 2007 From: fajarpri-RL4StXjWbcMdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org (Fajar Priyanto) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:07:24 +0700 Subject: Linux+ Exam In-Reply-To: <2985.66.11.182.5.1173830548.squirrel-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A@public.gmane.org> References: <2985.66.11.182.5.1173830548.squirrel@canuckster.org> Message-ID: <200703141907.26702.fajarpri@arinet.org> On Wednesday 14 March 2007 07:02, Jason Carson wrote: > Greetings, > > I forgot who brought it up last week but they mentioned they wrote there > Red Hat Certification and asked about the Linux+ Exam. I wrote mine today > and passed. I scored 830/900, the passing mark was 675. I recommend using > TestKing (http://www.testking.com/)to study. If you have any questions > about the exam feel free to ask. Hi Jason, Congratulations! :) Is Linux+ vendor specific? Or similar to LPI? -- Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | Linux tutorial http://linux2.arinet.org 7:06pm up 10:56, 2.6.18.2-34-default GNU/Linux Let's use OpenOffice. http://www.openoffice.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 13:49:25 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:49:25 -0400 Subject: perl / ifram / javascript question In-Reply-To: <45F76439.2050205-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <45F75FB9.6060102@alteeve.com> <45F76439.2050205@pobox.com> Message-ID: <45F7FD65.6030001@alteeve.com> Andrej Marjan wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I've got a thing I want to do with my web app that I know is >> possible but can't for the life of me figure out... I've googled this >> do death but am probably stumbling over something really simple. >> >> Anyway, I want to use perl to round a number (for now; later want to >> submit a form without reloading the whole page). >> >> So I'd like to be able to have a javascript function pass a couple >> variables to a perl script (ie: >> 'http://foo.com/cgi-bin/script?num=&precision='). >> Then, once the perl script does it's magic, load the numbers into >> hidden form fields via an iframe for the calling script to read). > > Well you could just do it in javascript, e.g. 1.563532.toPrecision(3) == > "1.56" > > Do you have a particular reason for wanting to do the rounding server-side? > > I don't know if there's a cleverer way to do it in Perl, but sprintf > will do the trick, e.g. sprintf("%.2f", 1.5678). In this case the problem is Javascript is not very good at rounding. This is more of an issue because this is a financial program and a rounding error could cost me money or, worse, charge a customer too much money. Perhaps a penny here or there, but regardless, it would make me look unprofessional. That said, perl isn't perfect either but it is a lot easier to account for it's short comings. I can't remember exactly how it was done but it wasn't with sprintf alone... I wrote it for another program so I need to write a new function from scratch but I know it can be done a lot more reliably. The need to tie it in with the Javascript is that as I or a user adds items to an invoice I use JS to calculate a running subtotal/taxes/total at the bottom. I have always planned to run the final calculations through perl, so this would save me doing it twice, too. Thanks for the reply! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 14:16:10 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:16:10 -0400 Subject: Linux+ Exam In-Reply-To: <200703141907.26702.fajarpri-RL4StXjWbcMdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> References: <2985.66.11.182.5.1173830548.squirrel@canuckster.org> <200703141907.26702.fajarpri@arinet.org> Message-ID: <20070314141610.GF22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 07:07:24PM +0700, Fajar Priyanto wrote: > Hi Jason, > Congratulations! :) > Is Linux+ vendor specific? Or similar to LPI? Well when I wrote the LPI 101 or whatever the first test was a few years ago at one of the linux shows, it was rather redhat specific. Even the "debian" version of the test had questions on it that were redhat specific and had nothing to do with debian and really made no sense on the test. Of course LPI has probably changed their test a bit over the last few years, so perhaps it less biased towards redhat now. At the time I was rather disappointed in the LPI test. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 14:17:52 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:16:52 -0401 Subject: perl / ifram / javascript question In-Reply-To: <45F7FD65.6030001-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45F75FB9.6060102@alteeve.com> <45F76439.2050205@pobox.com> <45F7FD65.6030001@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <7ac602420703140717g51737f1awb07a9da491a32f21@mail.gmail.com> On 3/14/07, Madison Kelly wrote: > In this case the problem is Javascript is not very good at rounding. > This is more of an issue because this is a financial program and a > rounding error could cost me money or, worse, charge a customer too much > money. Perhaps a penny here or there, but regardless, it would make me > look unprofessional. In the various sources I've seen that discuss this problem, the solution is always to use an integer instead of a floating point, and count pennies instead of dollars. Unfortunately, Javascript doesn't have an integer type (the ECMA spec defines Javascript numbers to be IEEE double-precision floating points). On the other hand, I think you can accurately represent at least all the integers in a 32-bit int (roughly negative two billion through positive two billion) in a double, so chances are your financial calculations would all be accurate, even though you're using a double. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 15:18:31 2007 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 14 Mar 2007 11:18:31 -0400 Subject: Linux+ Exam In-Reply-To: <20070314141610.GF22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <2985.66.11.182.5.1173830548.squirrel@canuckster.org> <200703141907.26702.fajarpri@arinet.org> <20070314141610.GF22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > Well when I wrote the LPI 101 or whatever the first test was a few years > ago at one of the linux shows, it was rather redhat specific. Even the > "debian" version of the test had questions on it that were redhat > specific and had nothing to do with debian and really made no sense on > the test. Of course LPI has probably changed their test a bit over the > last few years, so perhaps it less biased towards redhat now. At the > time I was rather disappointed in the LPI test. Yep, now the complaints are mostly that there is too much debian and why not just test redhat :) -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 15:44:45 2007 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:44:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: perl / ifram / javascript question In-Reply-To: <7ac602420703140717g51737f1awb07a9da491a32f21-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <45F75FB9.6060102@alteeve.com> <45F76439.2050205@pobox.com> <45F7FD65.6030001@alteeve.com> <7ac602420703140717g51737f1awb07a9da491a32f21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Ian Petersen wrote: > On 3/14/07, Madison Kelly wrote: >> In this case the problem is Javascript is not very good at rounding. >> This is more of an issue because this is a financial program and a >> rounding error could cost me money or, worse, charge a customer too much >> money. Perhaps a penny here or there, but regardless, it would make me >> look unprofessional. > > In the various sources I've seen that discuss this problem, the > solution is always to use an integer instead of a floating point, and > count pennies instead of dollars. Or store monetary values as tenths of a cent, for even higher accuracy. It reduces the available range, but is that likely to be a problem? -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 15:45:09 2007 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 14 Mar 2007 11:45:09 -0400 Subject: Linux+ Exam In-Reply-To: References: <2985.66.11.182.5.1173830548.squirrel@canuckster.org> <200703141907.26702.fajarpri@arinet.org> <20070314141610.GF22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: "G. Matthew Rice" writes: > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > > last few years, so perhaps it less biased towards redhat now. At the > > time I was rather disappointed in the LPI test. > > Yep, now the complaints are mostly that there is too much debian and why not > just test redhat :) PS - You can only complain if you're willing to help improve the exams ;) If you can't resist the call, subscribe to the exam development mailing list: http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev As an added bonus, this year should be pretty lively. It's time to re-evaluate both the content of the LPIC-1 and LPIC-2 objectives (I'm pushing for more accessibility, internationalization and DB content, personally) and discuss/choose the next LPIC-3 topics. Regards, -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 16:25:44 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:25:44 -0400 Subject: Linux+ Exam In-Reply-To: References: <2985.66.11.182.5.1173830548.squirrel@canuckster.org> <200703141907.26702.fajarpri@arinet.org> <20070314141610.GF22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070314162544.GG22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 11:18:31AM -0400, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > Yep, now the complaints are mostly that there is too much debian and why not > just test redhat :) Joy. Can't please everyone can you. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 17:44:43 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: MIT Scheme compilation problem Message-ID: Has anybody here recently compiled MIT Scheme (7.7.1) ? This is the scheme needed for the sicp book. There seems to be something wrong with the build environment which will not build itself (stage 2). thanks, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 18:17:46 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:17:46 -0400 Subject: asterix Message-ID: <3848E5D4-57C1-4F9E-B2F8-40F48C2E633E@visibleassets.com> Is there anyone here who can install an asterix system for me -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 18:50:27 2007 From: Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:50:27 -0400 Subject: asterix In-Reply-To: <3848E5D4-57C1-4F9E-B2F8-40F48C2E633E-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <3848E5D4-57C1-4F9E-B2F8-40F48C2E633E@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: owner-tlug at ss.org wrote on 03/14/2007 02:17:46 PM: > Is there anyone here who can install an asterix system for me > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists http://www.asterisknow.org/ Easy as can be. _______________________________________________________________________________ Jason Shein Network Administrator ? Linux Systems Iovate Health Sciences Inc. 5100 Spectrum Way Mississauga, ON L4W 5S2 ( 905 ) - 678 - 3119 x 3136 1 - 888 - 334 - 4448, x 3136 (toll-free) ( 416 ) - 272 - 7998 Blackberry jason.shein at iovate.com Customer Service. Collaboration. Innovation. Efficiency. Iovate's Information Technology Team _______________________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: THIS ELECTRONIC MAIL TRANSMISSION IS PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL AND IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE REVIEW OF THE PARTY TO WHOM IT IS ADDRESSED. THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS E-MAIL IS CONFIDENTIAL AND IS DISCLOSED TO YOU UNDER THE EXPRESS UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WILL NOT DISCLOSE IT OR ITS CONTENTS TO ANY THIRD PARTY WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF AN AUTHORIZED OFFICER OF IOVATE HEALTH SCIENCES SERVICES INC. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY RETURN IT TO THE SENDER. _______________________________________________________________________________ From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 19:47:00 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:47:00 -0400 Subject: Linux+ Exam In-Reply-To: References: <2985.66.11.182.5.1173830548.squirrel@canuckster.org> <200703141907.26702.fajarpri@arinet.org> <20070314141610.GF22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070314194700.GH22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0400, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > PS - You can only complain if you're willing to help improve the exams ;) > If you can't resist the call, subscribe to the exam development mailing > list: > > http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev OK, done. :) > As an added bonus, this year should be pretty lively. It's time to > re-evaluate both the content of the LPIC-1 and LPIC-2 objectives (I'm pushing > for more accessibility, internationalization and DB content, personally) and > discuss/choose the next LPIC-3 topics. Nifty. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 19:48:31 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:48:31 -0400 Subject: MIT Scheme compilation problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070314194831.GI22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 05:44:43PM +0000, Peter P. wrote: > Has anybody here recently compiled MIT Scheme (7.7.1) ? This is the scheme > needed for the sicp book. There seems to be something wrong with the build > environment which will not build itself (stage 2). Hmm, it seems debian is using version 7.7.90+20060906-3 whatever that works out to. :) Is that older or newer than 7.7.1? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 19:50:06 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:50:06 -0400 Subject: perl / ifram / javascript question In-Reply-To: References: <45F75FB9.6060102@alteeve.com> <45F76439.2050205@pobox.com> <45F7FD65.6030001@alteeve.com> <7ac602420703140717g51737f1awb07a9da491a32f21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070314195006.GJ22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 10:44:45AM -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > Or store monetary values as tenths of a cent, for even higher > accuracy. It reduces the available range, but is that likely to be > a problem? Only if you are working with the budget or a large company or some country (32bit certainly isn't even enough to store the dollar part of a lot of countries budgets, and many companies too for that matter). 64 bit should be fine of course. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 18:48:21 2007 From: stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org (Stephen W. Clarke) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: asterix In-Reply-To: References: <3848E5D4-57C1-4F9E-B2F8-40F48C2E633E@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <7215.192.168.20.1.1173898101.squirrel@192.168.20.1> And it gets even easier! Take a look at Trixbox. (Asterisk and plug-ins installed with an ISO.) http://www.trixbox.org/ Stephen > owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org wrote on 03/14/2007 02:17:46 PM: > >> Is there anyone here who can install an asterix system for me >> >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > http://www.asterisknow.org/ > > Easy as can be. > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Jason Shein > Network Administrator ??? Linux Systems > Iovate Health Sciences Inc. > 5100 Spectrum Way > Mississauga, ON L4W 5S2 > ( 905 ) - 678 - 3119 x 3136 > 1 - 888 - 334 - 4448, x 3136 (toll-free) > ( 416 ) - 272 - 7998 Blackberry > jason.shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org > > Customer Service. Collaboration. Innovation. Efficiency. > Iovate's Information Technology Team > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > THIS ELECTRONIC MAIL TRANSMISSION IS PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL AND IS > INTENDED ONLY FOR THE REVIEW OF THE PARTY TO WHOM IT IS ADDRESSED. > THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS E-MAIL IS CONFIDENTIAL AND IS DISCLOSED > TO YOU UNDER THE EXPRESS UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WILL NOT DISCLOSE IT > OR ITS CONTENTS TO ANY THIRD PARTY WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT > OF AN AUTHORIZED OFFICER OF IOVATE HEALTH SCIENCES SERVICES INC. IF YOU > HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY RETURN IT > TO THE SENDER. > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > > -- Stephen W. Clarke Marketing and Communications Officer Nray Services Inc. 56A Head Street Dundas, ON L9H 3H7 CANADA Tel: (905) 627-1302 x14 Fax: (905) 627-5022 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 20:44:04 2007 From: jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux+ Exam In-Reply-To: <200703141907.26702.fajarpri-RL4StXjWbcMdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> References: <2985.66.11.182.5.1173830548.squirrel@canuckster.org> <200703141907.26702.fajarpri@arinet.org> Message-ID: <4651.66.11.182.5.1173905044.squirrel@canuckster.org> > On Wednesday 14 March 2007 07:02, Jason Carson wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> I forgot who brought it up last week but they mentioned they wrote there >> Red Hat Certification and asked about the Linux+ Exam. I wrote mine >> today >> and passed. I scored 830/900, the passing mark was 675. I recommend >> using >> TestKing (http://www.testking.com/)to study. If you have any questions >> about the exam feel free to ask. > > Hi Jason, > Congratulations! :) Thanks, now its time to find a job. > Is Linux+ vendor specific? Or similar to LPI? The exam is vendor neutral although there where a couple of questions about RPM's. > -- > Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | Linux tutorial > http://linux2.arinet.org > 7:06pm up 10:56, 2.6.18.2-34-default GNU/Linux > Let's use OpenOffice. http://www.openoffice.org > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 20:44:13 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:44:13 -0400 Subject: perl / ifram / javascript question In-Reply-To: <20070314195006.GJ22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <45F75FB9.6060102@alteeve.com> <45F76439.2050205@pobox.com> <45F7FD65.6030001@alteeve.com> <7ac602420703140717g51737f1awb07a9da491a32f21@mail.gmail.com> <20070314195006.GJ22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <7ac602420703141344p3cb86e0ct6688039687ff1d52@mail.gmail.com> On 3/14/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > 64 bit should be fine of course. This could be a problem for an accounting app implemented in Javascript--a 64-bit int can exactly represent integers that cannot be exactly represented in a IEEE 64-bit double-precision floating point value, which is the only kind of number that Javascript is spec'd to have. I wonder, though--for a country with a budget that doesn't fit into a 32-bit int--do you think any of the budget items are measured in increments smaller than, say, $1,000 (or whatever the local currency is)? Surely you could scale such a budget to fit? Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 21:10:14 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: MIT Scheme compilation problem References: <20070314194831.GI22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Lennart Sorensen writes: > On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 05:44:43PM +0000, Peter P. wrote: > > Has anybody here recently compiled MIT Scheme (7.7.1) ? This is the scheme > > needed for the sicp book. There seems to be something wrong with the build > > environment which will not build itself (stage 2). > > Hmm, it seems debian is using version 7.7.90+20060906-3 whatever that > works out to. :) Is that older or newer than 7.7.1? Thank you for answering. I now got mit-scheme-7.7.90+20060906.orig and it does not compile with the same error (band related). I sent an email to Chris Hanson (maintainer). Anybody else seen this problem ? thanks, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 21:21:20 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:21:20 -0400 Subject: MIT Scheme compilation problem In-Reply-To: References: <20070314194831.GI22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070314212120.GK22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 09:10:14PM +0000, Peter P. wrote: > Thank you for answering. I now got mit-scheme-7.7.90+20060906.orig and it does > not compile with the same error (band related). I sent an email to Chris Hanson > (maintainer). Anybody else seen this problem ? Which mit-scheme version are you using to compile mit-scheme? The debian package build depends on mit-scheme in order to build mit-scheme (seems like the typical compiler chicken/egg issue). :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 22:25:45 2007 From: jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Spiro) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:25:45 -0400 Subject: Troubleshooting without help from others (was: Failed to open control device /dev/em8300-0) Message-ID: 2007/2/27, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: [snip] > I thought for a long time that Google is our friend. That we can find there an > answer to any technical problem. > > Thats right. We can find there _an_ answer. In most cases naive and useless. > We can hardly find however a solution to the problem. > > Why? > > Because most what we find on Google are silly discussions by unexperienced > people. Once they find a solution to their problem they do not bother to > report back how they solved their problem. ... Last summer, a coworker of mine was a software package tester who used to be an auto mechanic. He noted I turn to Google a lot for help with problems. He said it was important to know how to troubleshoot without any help from the Web, or mailing lists, or anywhere: to know how to track down problems by logical troubleshooting steps. Is this true? How important is it, really, to know how to troubleshoot independently? Cheers, Jason -- Jason Spiro: computer consulting with a smile. I provide software development and training services to clients worldwide. Contact me for a FREE consultation. Satisfaction guaranteed. +1 (416) 781-5938 / Email: info-1hdvTAswZAHQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org / MSN: jasonspiro-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rob-3Aypa9sX/B7wvR0lvYjcXw at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 23:04:33 2007 From: rob-3Aypa9sX/B7wvR0lvYjcXw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:04:33 -0400 Subject: Troubleshooting without help from others (was: Failed to open control device /dev/em8300-0) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F87F81.6030507@luckdancing.com> Jason Spiro wrote: > 2 > Last summer, a coworker of mine was a software package tester who used > to be an auto mechanic. He noted I turn to Google a lot for help with > problems. He said it was important to know how to troubleshoot > without any help from the Web, or mailing lists, or anywhere: to know > how to track down problems by logical troubleshooting steps. > > Is this true? How important is it, really, to know how to > troubleshoot independently? > I think the key point is that it's easy to find an (or several) *answers* via google, but finding the right *question* is the real problem. If you can work out the exact question that fits your problem, finding the correct answer, whether by using google or reading the code or whatever becomes much easier. Your problem solving process should drive your use of google not the other way round. Rob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 23:15:10 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:15:10 -0400 Subject: Troubleshooting without help from others (was: Failed to open control device /dev/em8300-0) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200703141915.10981.softquake@gmail.com> On Wednesday 14 March 2007 18:25, you wrote: > 2007/2/27, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > [snip] > > > I thought for a long time that Google is our friend. That we can find > > there an answer to any technical problem. > > > > Thats right. We can find there _an_ answer. In most cases naive and > > useless. We can hardly find however a solution to the problem. > > > > Why? > > > > Because most what we find on Google are silly discussions by > > unexperienced people. Once they find a solution to their problem they do > > not bother to report back how they solved their problem. > > ... > > Last summer, a coworker of mine was a software package tester who used > to be an auto mechanic. He noted I turn to Google a lot for help with > problems. He said it was important to know how to troubleshoot > without any help from the Web, or mailing lists, or anywhere: to know > how to track down problems by logical troubleshooting steps. > > Is this true? How important is it, really, to know how to > troubleshoot independently? You are perfectly right. It is most important to be able to solve problems by ourselves. This does not mean that we should not expect Google to work better. And that thoughts should not reach this list (besides, what for this list exists for?) I, btw, solved my problem during that past time. By reading more carefully man xine and thinking about what is there. While still I do not quite understand what was the reason of the problem I can repeat my original thesis: error messages produced by xine (and many other software) are so often meaningless and confussing. While the audience around (I mean on the arena that is catched up by Google) has mostly no idea what they are talking about. Best, zb. > > Cheers, > Jason -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 23:22:10 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:22:10 -0400 Subject: Troubleshooting without help from others (was: Failed to open control device /dev/em8300-0) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200703141922.10741.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Wednesday 14 March 2007, Jason Spiro wrote: > 2007/2/27, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > [snip] > > > I thought for a long time that Google is our friend. That we can > > find there an answer to any technical problem. > > > > Thats right. We can find there _an_ answer. In most cases naive > > and useless. We can hardly find however a solution to the > > problem. > > > > Why? > > > > Because most what we find on Google are silly discussions by > > unexperienced people. Once they find a solution to their problem > > they do not bother to report back how they solved their problem. > > ... > > Last summer, a coworker of mine was a software package tester who > used to be an auto mechanic. He noted I turn to Google a lot for > help with problems. He said it was important to know how to > troubleshoot without any help from the Web, or mailing lists, or > anywhere: to know how to track down problems by logical > troubleshooting steps. > > Is this true? How important is it, really, to know how to > troubleshoot independently? Using the same logic, how important is it, really, to know how to do arithmetic? After all, we have calculators, Google (which you can use as a calculator), and many people whom we can ask "What's nine times seven?". How important is it, really, to know how to read? We have speech synthesizers in our computers that can read to us. If you think the analogy is preposterous, that should answer your question. If you don't, there isn't much I can say to convince you of how I believe troubleshooting independently is an essential skill for everyone, not just "technologists". -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 14 23:43:44 2007 From: jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Spiro) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:43:44 -0400 Subject: Troubleshooting without help from others (was: Failed to open control device /dev/em8300-0) In-Reply-To: <45F87F81.6030507-3Aypa9sX/B7wvR0lvYjcXw@public.gmane.org> References: <45F87F81.6030507@luckdancing.com> Message-ID: 2007/3/14, Rob Sutherland wrote: > I think the key point is that it's easy to find an (or several) > *answers* via > google, but finding the right *question* is the real problem. If you can > work > out the exact question that fits your problem, finding the correct > answer, whether > by using google or reading the code or whatever becomes much easier. > Your > problem solving process should drive your use of google not the > other way round. I'm curious: Can you elaborate on what you just said / give an example of a case or two where you needed to know the right question? As far as I can remember, generally when I search google for help with technical problems/bugs I have an error message onscreen. I just enter those into google. -- Jason Spiro: computer consulting with a smile. I provide software development and training services to clients worldwide. Contact me for a FREE consultation. Satisfaction guaranteed. +1 (416) 781-5938 / Email: info-1hdvTAswZAHQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org / MSN: jasonspiro-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 00:26:34 2007 From: jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Core 6 Message-ID: <1397.66.11.182.5.1173918394.squirrel@canuckster.org> Greetings, Is Fedora Core 6 a good approximation of Red Hat Enterprise? If I am able to build a LAMP server with Fedora Core 6 would I be able to do it using Red Hat Enterprise? I currently use Mandriva on my desktop and Gentoo on my server but Red Hat seems to be the de facto standard for business's. Many jobs want Red Hat experience? So I am gonna try it out. Jason Carson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 00:26:44 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:26:44 -0400 Subject: daylight savings time issues? In-Reply-To: <1173728319.6430.9.camel@localhost> References: <1173728319.6430.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20070315002644.GA23952@waltdnes.org> On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:38:39PM -0400, Matt Price wrote > hi, > > i'm having a little unexpected trouble with the new DST on my > ubuntu-feisty laptop. when i woke up Sunday mroning, the laptop > had not switched to DST, so I ram > sudo ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com > which reset me to the proper time. however, shortly thereafter when > i checked the clock -- probably about an hour or so later though > I can't be sure -- the time had reverted back to standard time. > my zone information is up to date, at least i think it is: > > ~$ zdump -v /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern | grep 2007 As Fraser mentioned, try... zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 In the old days /etc/localtime was actually a symlink to /usr/share/zoneinfo/ooga/booga (or whatever your selected timezone is). A nice feature of that was that when your /usr/share/zoneinfo/ooga/booga was updated, the symlink, by definition, was also updated. > nonetheless every time i reboot or resume from suspend, my clock is set > wrong, and i have to run ntpdate. Nowadays, /etc/localtime is *A COPY* of /usr/share/zoneinfo/ooga/booga, and you have to manually... cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/ooga/booga /etc/localtime I really can't see the logic behind that. Anyhow, whenever you reboot, the system reads /etc/localtime and sets to whatever is indicated there. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rob-3Aypa9sX/B7wvR0lvYjcXw at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 00:31:40 2007 From: rob-3Aypa9sX/B7wvR0lvYjcXw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:31:40 -0400 Subject: Troubleshooting without help from others (was: Failed to open control device /dev/em8300-0) In-Reply-To: References: <45F87F81.6030507@luckdancing.com> Message-ID: <45F893EC.1080006@luckdancing.com> Jason Spiro wrote: > > I'm curious: Can you elaborate on what you just said / give an example > of a case or two where you needed to know the right question? As far > as I can remember, generally when I search google for help with > technical problems/bugs I have an error message onscreen. I just > enter those into google. > Yeah and for a lot of problems that will work, that's what I do too, but if the problem causing the error message is caused by another problem that's caused by another problem etc. google won't necessarily help you especially if the visible problem can have many possible causes and/or is in a area that doesn't get googlized much such as large private code bases etc. Ok, the other day I couldn't ssh into a server - I googled the error and it said that the server dropped the connection. When I went in I found that the server was out of disk space, caused by a runaway process filling up a log file, which was caused by a combination of a faulty configuration setup and about 6 other things. If you only have one domino falling, google is very useful, if you have more, it's still useful but you have to go through the process to narrow things down. Rob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 00:35:58 2007 From: jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Spiro) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:35:58 -0400 Subject: How can I logically troubleshoot my Ubuntu/Gnome/(GConf?) problem? (was: Re: Troubleshooting without help from others) Message-ID: 2007/3/14, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: [snip] > I can repeat my original thesis: error > messages produced by xine (and many other software) are so often meaningless > and confussing. While the audience around (I mean on the arena that is > catched up by Google) has mostly no idea what they are talking about. Yeah, error messages are too often an afterthought. They elaborate more on that fact and on the costs of providing tech support about bad error messages at: http://www.stc-sf.org/docs/non-fatalerrors.ppt HTML format: http://google.com/search?q=cache:www.stc-sf.org/docs/non-fatalerrors.ppt Btw, Rob, Clifford, thanks for your input :-) I plan to try to do logical troubleshooting and deduction more often when I can, instead of just escaping to Google. Which reminds me: I have been using Ubuntu Edgy for a few months. I suspect it started after a recent software update a few weeks ago. (So now I sorta regret that I clicked on the option to grab the update. :-) ) First, the slow-keys (bounce-keys?) accessibility feature enabled itself, I don't think I requested it. Then I disabled it. Then other problems started. For all users on my laptop: - I get an error message at startup "GConf schema installer error, battery_low_percentage cannot be zero". - Most Gnome keyboard shortcuts stopped working, such as Alt-Tab and (more recently) Alt+F2 to run apps. - And no taskbar buttons appear anymore on the bottom panel; I can't re-add the normal window list though I can add a vertical window selector. - All root-needing apps on the Gnome menus seem to run gksu instead of gksudo. Gksu, of course, doesn't work for me, as I haven't set a root password. - Weird things have changed with the Gnome panel - Maybe there are other symptoms, too. I unfortunately have not kept a log of all symptoms. How can I troubleshoot this without using Google? Is it a bad idea to dist-upgrade again (there are new updates available again) to see if that fixes it, before trying other things? Other things I guess I could look into: - to try to downgrade to original Edgy as shipped, probably by downloading an Edgy ISO and apt-cdrom adding it then removing my other apt sources then doing a dist-upgrade - i could look more into how GConf works, then look at my system-wide GConf tree, if such a tree exists, and compare it with one on a Ubuntu LiveCD * Note: Even if you know the answer (I don't), I would appreciate it if you did not tell me how to fix the problem, but instead how to troubleshoot it and track it down to the cause. * Cheers, Jason -- Jason Spiro: computer consulting with a smile. I provide software development and training services to clients worldwide. Contact me for a FREE consultation. Satisfaction guaranteed. +1 (416) 781-5938 / Email: info-1hdvTAswZAHQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org / MSN: jasonspiro-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 01:46:56 2007 From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:46:56 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 6 In-Reply-To: <1397.66.11.182.5.1173918394.squirrel-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A@public.gmane.org> References: <1397.66.11.182.5.1173918394.squirrel@canuckster.org> Message-ID: <45F8A590.5050605@sympatico.ca> You may also be interested in CentOS. Jason Carson wrote: > Greetings, > > Is Fedora Core 6 a good approximation of Red Hat Enterprise? If I am able > to build a LAMP server with Fedora Core 6 would I be able to do it using > Red Hat Enterprise? I currently use Mandriva on my desktop and Gentoo on > my server but Red Hat seems to be the de facto standard for business's. > Many jobs want Red Hat experience? So I am gonna try it out. > > Jason Carson > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- www3.sympatico.ca/echapin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rob-3Aypa9sX/B7wvR0lvYjcXw at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 00:53:52 2007 From: rob-3Aypa9sX/B7wvR0lvYjcXw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:53:52 -0400 Subject: SYN_RECV dos attack? Message-ID: <45F89920.8030907@luckdancing.com> One of my servers seems to be under a SYN_RECV dos attack, at least this is what these look like tcp 0 0 66.35.36.212:80 85.204.193.102:56690 SYN_RECV tcp 0 0 66.35.36.212:80 86.106.135.81:49773 SYN_RECV tcp 0 0 66.35.36.212:80 89.36.153.198:32968 SYN_RECV etc, etc. Anyone had this problem recently? I'm running Centos 4.4 Rob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 02:03:06 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:03:06 -0400 Subject: Troubleshooting without help from others (was: Failed to open control device /dev/em8300-0) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F8A95A.3070505@alteeve.com> Jason Spiro wrote: > Last summer, a coworker of mine was a software package tester who used > to be an auto mechanic. He noted I turn to Google a lot for help with > problems. He said it was important to know how to troubleshoot > without any help from the Web, or mailing lists, or anywhere: to know > how to track down problems by logical troubleshooting steps. > > Is this true? How important is it, really, to know how to > troubleshoot independently? > > Cheers, > Jason The fact that this is a legitimate question is funny/sad. Back in the day I would have considered myself a pretty good trouble shooter. These days though if you took the Internet away from me I'd be so lost. Is this a reflection of: a) The complexity of modern tech being such that no one can be expected to know enough on their own to be able to work on it independently. -or- b) The Internet has atrophied our minds because it allows us to get away without thinking/problem solving on our own anymore? Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rob-3Aypa9sX/B7wvR0lvYjcXw at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 02:38:00 2007 From: rob-3Aypa9sX/B7wvR0lvYjcXw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:38:00 -0400 Subject: Troubleshooting without help from others In-Reply-To: <45F8A95A.3070505-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45F8A95A.3070505@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <45F8B188.8020908@luckdancing.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > > The fact that this is a legitimate question is funny/sad. Back in the > day I would have considered myself a pretty good trouble shooter. > These days though if you took the Internet away from me I'd be so lost. > > Is this a reflection of: > > a) The complexity of modern tech being such that no one can be > expected to know enough on their own to be able to work on it > independently. > > -or- > > b) The Internet has atrophied our minds because it allows us to get > away without thinking/problem solving on our own anymore? > Those are both true to an extent, although I wonder what areas of our minds are being developed as some are atrophied. But I think the reason that people can get away with googling up answers for quite a while is because it works for a certain percentage of problems. And the reason it works is because large numbers of people use the same software packages and 'document' their problem solving experiences enough so that pasting an error message into google will sometimes give you a useful answer for things like 'Why did package abc crash when I installed it on distro xyz'. More complex problems can't be solved this way, so we can't throw away our brains yet :-) Rob "I for one, welcome our new problem solving googlish overlords' -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 03:09:18 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:09:18 -0400 Subject: Troubleshooting without help from others (was: Failed to open control device /dev/em8300-0) In-Reply-To: <45F8A95A.3070505-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45F8A95A.3070505@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200703142309.18772.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Wednesday 14 March 2007, Madison Kelly wrote: > Jason Spiro wrote: > > Last summer, a coworker of mine was a software package tester who > > used to be an auto mechanic. He noted I turn to Google a lot for > > help with problems. He said it was important to know how to > > troubleshoot without any help from the Web, or mailing lists, or > > anywhere: to know how to track down problems by logical > > troubleshooting steps. > > > > Is this true? How important is it, really, to know how to > > troubleshoot independently? > > > > Cheers, > > Jason > > The fact that this is a legitimate question is funny/sad. Back in > the day I would have considered myself a pretty good trouble > shooter. These days though if you took the Internet away from me > I'd be so lost. > > Is this a reflection of: > > a) The complexity of modern tech being such that no one can be > expected to know enough on their own to be able to work on it > independently. > > -or- > > b) The Internet has atrophied our minds because it allows us to get > away without thinking/problem solving on our own anymore? It's not just the complexity but the sheer number of things about which I need to have expert level knowledge in order to be effective. That list seems to be getting longer, not shorter. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 03:11:14 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:11:14 -0400 Subject: Troubleshooting without help from others (was: Failed to open control device /dev/em8300-0) In-Reply-To: References: <45F87F81.6030507@luckdancing.com> Message-ID: <200703142311.14749.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Wednesday 14 March 2007, Jason Spiro wrote: > 2007/3/14, Rob Sutherland wrote: > > I think the key point is that it's easy to find an (or several) > > *answers* via > > google, but finding the right *question* is the real problem. If > > you can work > > out the exact question that fits your problem, finding the > > correct answer, whether > > by using google or reading the code or whatever becomes much > > easier. Your > > problem solving process should drive your use of google not the > > other way round. > > I'm curious: Can you elaborate on what you just said / give an > example of a case or two where you needed to know the right > question? As far as I can remember, generally when I search google > for help with technical problems/bugs I have an error message > onscreen. I just enter those into google. Error messages can be misleading. For example, I just had a problem where a Django site was throwing an exception when I attempted to save a new object on the production server, which is using Apache and mod_python, whereas the development server, which uses the built-in http server, worked fine. The exception was "cannot concatenate 'str' and 'tuple' objects". I wasn't really trying to do that of course. I was trying to concatenate two strings. In dev, that worked because I really was concatenating two strings. In production, one of the objects which I expected to be a string was indeed a tuple. It turned out to be a permissions problem, not an error in the code. Well, not quite. It was both. Apache didn't have enough permission to be able to write to a file. The error in the code was that the exception was deliberately being thrown away so while it should have halted at the point where the process didn't have enough privileges to write to a file, it didn't, which passed an exception tuple object to the concatenation. There is no way that a Google search would have revealed the problem no matter how much I might have wished it so. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 03:25:27 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:25:27 -0400 Subject: How can I logically troubleshoot my Ubuntu/Gnome/(GConf?) problem? (was: Re: Troubleshooting without help from others) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200703142325.28115.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Wednesday 14 March 2007, Jason Spiro wrote: > Btw, Rob, Clifford, thanks for your input :-) I plan to try to do > logical troubleshooting and deduction more often when I can, > instead of just escaping to Google. > > Which reminds me: I have been using Ubuntu Edgy for a few months. > I suspect it started after a recent software update a few weeks > ago. (So now I sorta regret that I clicked on the option to grab > the update. > > :-) ) First, the slow-keys (bounce-keys?) accessibility feature > > enabled itself, I don't think I requested it. Then I disabled it. > Then other problems started. For all users on my laptop: > > - I get an error message at startup "GConf schema installer error, > battery_low_percentage cannot be zero". > - Most Gnome keyboard shortcuts stopped working, such as Alt-Tab > and (more recently) Alt+F2 to run apps. > - And no taskbar buttons appear anymore on the bottom panel; I > can't re-add the normal window list though I can add a vertical > window selector. > - All root-needing apps on the Gnome menus seem to run gksu instead > of gksudo. Gksu, of course, doesn't work for me, as I haven't set > a root password. > - Weird things have changed with the Gnome panel > - Maybe there are other symptoms, too. I unfortunately have not > kept a log of all symptoms. > > How can I troubleshoot this without using Google? I don't think anyone is suggesting you should work with one hand tied behind your back. You should use all the tools at your disposal, including Google. However, I think your colleague might have been suggesting that you can narrow in on the problem more quickly if you didn't waste time on wild goose chases on Google and went there with a purpose in mind. If you have an exact error message, that is sometimes useful. > Is it a bad idea > to dist-upgrade again (there are new updates available again) to > see if that fixes it, before trying other things? What do you have to lose? Sometimes blindly "fixing" the problem and not caring why it was fixed is also appropriate. You have to pick your battles. There are times when I spend far more time than I should have because I want to understand why something broke because I feel there might be a valuable lesson. Sometimes that's the case. Other times it is just a complete and disgusting waste of time. > Other things I guess I could look into: > > - to try to downgrade to original Edgy as shipped, probably by > downloading an Edgy ISO and apt-cdrom adding it then removing my > other apt sources then doing a dist-upgrade > > - i could look more into how GConf works, then look at my > system-wide GConf tree, if such a tree exists, and compare it with > one on a Ubuntu LiveCD > > * Note: Even if you know the answer (I don't), I would appreciate > it if you did not tell me how to fix the problem, but instead how > to troubleshoot it and track it down to the cause. * Start at the most likely culprit and work your way down. The most likely culprit has to be one of your updated packages. Look in the bug tracker for the distro to see if anyone has reported something similar and if so, what, if any, solution there is. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 03:28:07 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:28:07 -0400 Subject: Linux+ Exam In-Reply-To: <4651.66.11.182.5.1173905044.squirrel-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A@public.gmane.org> References: <2985.66.11.182.5.1173830548.squirrel@canuckster.org> <200703141907.26702.fajarpri@arinet.org> <4651.66.11.182.5.1173905044.squirrel@canuckster.org> Message-ID: <32f6a8880703142028m38b80fa5i1923dc77bca2d9e9@mail.gmail.com> Hey Jason, On 3/14/07, Jason Carson wrote: > > > On Wednesday 14 March 2007 07:02, Jason Carson wrote: > >> Greetings, > >> > >> I forgot who brought it up last week but they mentioned they wrote > there > >> Red Hat Certification and asked about the Linux+ Exam. I wrote mine > >> today > >> and passed. I scored 830/900, the passing mark was 675. I recommend > >> using > >> TestKing (http://www.testking.com/)to study. If you have any questions > >> about the exam feel free to ask. > > > > Hi Jason, > > Congratulations! :) > > Thanks, now its time to find a job. > > > Is Linux+ vendor specific? Or similar to LPI? > > The exam is vendor neutral although there where a couple of questions > about RPM's. > > > -- > > Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | Linux tutorial > > http://linux2.arinet.org > > 7:06pm up 10:56, 2.6.18.2-34-default GNU/Linux > > Let's use OpenOffice. http://www.openoffice.org > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I scored 830/900, the passing mark was 675. I recommend > >> using > >> TestKing (http://www.testking.com/)to study. If you have any questions > >> about the exam feel free to ask. > > > > Hi Jason, > > Congratulations! :) > > Thanks, now its time to find a job. > > > Is Linux+ vendor specific? Or similar to LPI? > > The exam is vendor neutral although there where a couple of questions > about RPM's. > > > -- > > Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | Linux tutorial > > http://linux2.arinet.org > > 7:06pm up 10:56, 2.6.18.2-34-default GNU/Linux > > Let's use OpenOffice. http://www.openoffice.org > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 06:43:45 2007 From: jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux+ Exam In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880703142029p5d4ba0cfqd51a740bea626d13-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <2985.66.11.182.5.1173830548.squirrel@canuckster.org> <200703141907.26702.fajarpri@arinet.org> <4651.66.11.182.5.1173905044.squirrel@canuckster.org> <32f6a8880703142029p5d4ba0cfqd51a740bea626d13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4177.66.11.182.5.1173941025.squirrel@canuckster.org> > Hi Jason, > > Where did you take your Linux+ exam and how much did it cost? I'm > interested in taking it as well. I took my exam at WINNET SYSTEMS 1200 EGLINTON AVENUE EAST Suite 100 NORTH YORK, Ontario M3C1H9 Phone: 416-447-8378 Its a Thomson Prometric (http://www.prometric.com/CompTIA/default.htm) testing center. The exam cost 225 US dollars > On 3/14/07, Jason Carson wrote: >> >> > On Wednesday 14 March 2007 07:02, Jason Carson wrote: >> >> Greetings, >> >> >> >> I forgot who brought it up last week but they mentioned they wrote >> there >> >> Red Hat Certification and asked about the Linux+ Exam. I wrote mine >> >> today >> >> and passed. I scored 830/900, the passing mark was 675. I recommend >> >> using >> >> TestKing (http://www.testking.com/)to study. If you have any >> questions >> >> about the exam feel free to ask. >> > >> > Hi Jason, >> > Congratulations! :) >> >> Thanks, now its time to find a job. >> >> > Is Linux+ vendor specific? Or similar to LPI? >> >> The exam is vendor neutral although there where a couple of questions >> about RPM's. >> >> > -- >> > Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | Linux tutorial >> > http://linux2.arinet.org >> > 7:06pm up 10:56, 2.6.18.2-34-default GNU/Linux >> > Let's use OpenOffice. http://www.openoffice.org >> > >> >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 06:44:47 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: MIT Scheme compilation problem References: <20070314194831.GI22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070314212120.GK22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Lennart Sorensen writes: > Which mit-scheme version are you using to compile mit-scheme? > > The debian package build depends on mit-scheme in order to build > mit-scheme (seems like the typical compiler chicken/egg issue). :) None. That's the problem. I know that this scheme implementation is a pun on recursive (positive) jokes a la GNU, but I really need a way to do this because I'm trying to make it run on a system that does not belong to any particular distribution. Its library set will not match any downloaded precmpiled package (even though the base is - or sort of was at one time or another - Debian). So what's the policy on bootstrapping Scheme ? I thought only Emacs and other operating systems need bootstrapping ? ;-) thanks, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 06:55:32 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: French National Assembly going Linux References: <45F33FF1.9040108@rogers.com> (James Knott\'s message of Message-ID: Paul King writes: > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6138372.html I could make a pari about la reaction to this nouvelle in Redmond: they probably changed 'French Fries' back to 'Liberty Fries' on the cafeteria menu. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 11:22:55 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:22:55 -0400 Subject: Troubleshooting without help from others (was: Failed to open control device /dev/em8300-0) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F92C8F.4010406@rogers.com> Jason Spiro wrote: > > Last summer, a coworker of mine was a software package tester who used > to be an auto mechanic. He noted I turn to Google a lot for help with > problems. He said it was important to know how to troubleshoot > without any help from the Web, or mailing lists, or anywhere: to know > how to track down problems by logical troubleshooting steps. > > Is this true? How important is it, really, to know how to > troubleshoot independently? It helps to know enough to accurately describe the problem, so that you don't go on a mail list as say "It doesn't work. How do I fix it?" You're unlikely to get a useful answer, if you can't ask an intelligent question. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 14:28:56 2007 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:28:56 -0500 Subject: Troubleshooting without help from others (was: Failed to open control device /dev/em8300-0) In-Reply-To: <45F8A95A.3070505-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45F8A95A.3070505@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <45F95828.60407@golden.net> Madison Kelly wrote: > Jason Spiro wrote: >> Last summer, a coworker of mine was a software package tester who used >> to be an auto mechanic. He noted I turn to Google a lot for help with >> problems. He said it was important to know how to troubleshoot >> without any help from the Web, or mailing lists, or anywhere: to know >> how to track down problems by logical troubleshooting steps. >> >> Is this true? How important is it, really, to know how to >> troubleshoot independently? >> >> Cheers, >> Jason > > The fact that this is a legitimate question is funny/sad. Back in the > day I would have considered myself a pretty good trouble shooter. > These days though if you took the Internet away from me I'd be so lost. > > Is this a reflection of: > > a) The complexity of modern tech being such that no one can be > expected to know enough on their own to be able to work on it > independently. > > -or- > > b) The Internet has atrophied our minds because it allows us to get > away without thinking/problem solving on our own anymore? > > Madi 2 things I know for sure. 1) Nobody remembers or knows everything . The Internet is a repository / library that helps verses looking it up in a reference book or calling someone. Knowing the basic on a system is important. I'm sure there are common commands and processes that system administrators perform daily and then there are the gotchas that pop up now and again. 2) Auto Mechanic$ are notorious for installing things that do not resolve the problem. Trial and error / shoot from the hip approach. Better to be aware as much as possible before trying something. We live in a different world today. Our lives / jobs are much more dynamic. my $ 0.02 CND John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 14:31:19 2007 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:31:19 -0400 Subject: Troubleshooting without help from others (was: Failed to open control device /dev/em8300-0) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/14/07, Jason Spiro wrote: > > 2007/2/27, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > [snip] > > I thought for a long time that Google is our friend. That we can find > there an > > answer to any technical problem. > > > > Thats right. We can find there _an_ answer. In most cases naive and > useless. > > We can hardly find however a solution to the problem. > > > > Why? > > > > Because most what we find on Google are silly discussions by > unexperienced > > people. Once they find a solution to their problem they do not bother to > > report back how they solved their problem. > ... > > Last summer, a coworker of mine was a software package tester who used > to be an auto mechanic. He noted I turn to Google a lot for help with > problems. He said it was important to know how to troubleshoot > without any help from the Web, or mailing lists, or anywhere: to know > how to track down problems by logical troubleshooting steps. > > Is this true? How important is it, really, to know how to > troubleshoot independently? Interesting question -- I think it's vital to be able to troubleshoot effectively, in just about any job there is. But I wouldn't say cutting myself off from Google, Perlmonks, IRC or the mailing lists would help me in my field of software develop and support. Sometimes there isn't even a specific error -- it works, but it's slow: how can I make it faster? Or, I'm doing X using the following module, but are there more efficient modules? Getting back to your auto mechanic -- did he never talk to his fellow mechanics about a specific problem? "Oh yeah, the 91-93 Mustangs had a different design for the front end -- different tie-rods then the rest of the Fords." Did he never call one of the manufacturer reps? "Volvos are really easy to maintain -- but always check the rad hoses!" Were there ever bulletins from the manufacturers? "Sorry -- can't service your car. Our insurance doesn't cover cars fitted with nitrous." Did he ever have supplier reps call selling a new brand of tires, batteries, oil or wiper blades? Or maybe that was an off-hand comment .. and maybe he was pulling your leg. :) -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb ps I really don't know much about cars -- I made up all of the car-related quotes up above. In case it wasn't obvious. :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Only once have I had to manually download an RPM and install it -- everything else has been taken care of by yum install. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 15:37:00 2007 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:37:00 -0400 Subject: daylight savings time issues? In-Reply-To: <200703122205.01566.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <1173728319.6430.9.camel@localhost> <200703122205.01566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <1173973020.18061.45.camel@localhost> first, thanks to both you and walter for the response! On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 22:05 -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > A few things to check: > > - check /etc/localtime to be sure that it > matches /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern - if it does then you have a > very interesting problem > - check that you're running latest tzdata (dpkg -l | grep tzdata), in my case > I'm running 2007b-0ubuntu0.6.10 > - check /etc/timezone to make sure Canada/Eastern is what you configured > > If my first tip above checks out then there's no need to check the rest, your > zoneinfo is fine. > all of this turned out fine -- my zone is America/Toronto, but it seems to be identical in every important respect to Canada/Eastern > A few other things related to clock: > > - run hwclock, if time is not correct run ntpdate to correct system time and > then run "hwclock --systohc" > this was the essential piece i couldn't find elsewhere -- for which thank you!! I guess for some reason my hardware clock was accidentally reset or something, lord knows i don't have any idea what the reason was -- but once i ran "hwclock --systohc" the problem disappeared. thanks again, it's great to have things working once more. matt > > > The only other piece of information i have is that the gnome time-admin > > applet can't seem to tset the time right, even though ntpdate does, > > making me wondering if there's something messed up in gnome somewhere. > > Could be GNOME, I run kubuntu on both my laptop and desktop, both switched to > DST just fine. > -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How important is it, really, to know how to > troubleshoot independently? I believe in learning from the mistakes (and successes) of others, so I highly believe in searching for other peoples opinions and attemps and solutions to a problem on google. After all I could spend a day trying to find the solution, find something I think works, but by checking what others did I could have found out that it in fact does not solve the problem, but only masks it and that the real problem is somewhere else and what the solution is. Doing a check of what others have tried can also help give me ideas for places to look that I might consider obviously not the problem, which then turn out to be the problem. So perhaps it is true when fixing cars (I don't think so either though, given I once brought in my car with a problem, which the dealership couldn't fix, but a 5 minute google search on the symptoms told me what the problem is, which the dealership could then easily check for and fix). Some people seem to think it looks bad to ask for help/directions/etc, and believe they are a better person if they do it all by themselves. I don't. I believe in using all the tools I have. After all what is the difference between using google as a tool and using grep to find a file containing a string? I could just cat each file and look at the screen to see if it contains the string. Why not do that instead of relying on something else to do all the boring work for me? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 16:37:37 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:37:37 -0400 Subject: MIT Scheme compilation problem In-Reply-To: References: <20070314194831.GI22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070314212120.GK22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070315163737.GM22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 06:44:47AM +0000, Peter P. wrote: > None. That's the problem. I know that this scheme implementation is a pun on > recursive (positive) jokes a la GNU, but I really need a way to do this because > I'm trying to make it run on a system that does not belong to any particular > distribution. Its library set will not match any downloaded precmpiled package > (even though the base is - or sort of was at one time or another - Debian). > > So what's the policy on bootstrapping Scheme ? I thought only Emacs and other > operating systems need bootstrapping ? ;-) Well it looks like you need a binary of mit-scheme, which you use to build mit-scheme, after which you can throw away the original binary. I guess you can go grab the binary from a debian system and see if that does the trick for you. Once you build it once, you can always rebuild it using itself. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 16:39:10 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:39:10 -0400 Subject: daylight savings time issues? In-Reply-To: <20070315002644.GA23952-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <1173728319.6430.9.camel@localhost> <20070315002644.GA23952@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20070315163910.GN22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:26:44PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > As Fraser mentioned, try... > zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 > > In the old days /etc/localtime was actually a symlink to > /usr/share/zoneinfo/ooga/booga (or whatever your selected timezone is). > A nice feature of that was that when your /usr/share/zoneinfo/ooga/booga > was updated, the symlink, by definition, was also updated. Still is. > Nowadays, /etc/localtime is *A COPY* of /usr/share/zoneinfo/ooga/booga, > and you have to manually... Only on some crazy systems. > cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/ooga/booga /etc/localtime > > I really can't see the logic behind that. Anyhow, whenever you reboot, > the system reads /etc/localtime and sets to whatever is indicated there. # ls -l /etc/localtime lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 Mar 13 15:06 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern Apparently Debian belives in being a sane distribution. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 17:05:14 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:05:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Linux the best even for his Billness (almost ten years ago) Message-ID: I just stumbled into this : http://www.ale.org/archive/ale/ale-1998-10/msg00126.html Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 17:09:40 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: MIT Scheme compilation problem References: <20070314194831.GI22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070314212120.GK22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070315163737.GM22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Lennart Sorensen writes: > I guess you can go grab the binary from a debian system and see if that > does the trick for you. Once you build it once, you can always rebuild > it using itself. Yes, BUT the 'binary' from Debian has a lot of dependencies which will result in the d/l of a ton of libraries. Is there a *binary* 'binary' of Scheme somewhere ? Perhaps one that would be used to build Scheme on something else (like NetBSD or OpenBSD or *gasp* OSX) ? Or is there a workaround of some sort ? thanks, Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 17:42:27 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:42:27 -0400 Subject: MIT Scheme compilation problem In-Reply-To: References: <20070314194831.GI22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070314212120.GK22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070315163737.GM22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070315174227.GO22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 05:09:40PM +0000, Peter P. wrote: > Yes, BUT the 'binary' from Debian has a lot of dependencies which will result in > the d/l of a ton of libraries. Is there a *binary* 'binary' of Scheme somewhere > ? Perhaps one that would be used to build Scheme on something else (like NetBSD > or OpenBSD or *gasp* OSX) ? Or is there a workaround of some sort ? Well you could always try and follow the README.txt for doing a "cold" boot compile. Sounds annoyingly complicated however. Otherwise it seems simpler to just copy the few libraries 'ldd mit-scheme' says it needs over from another system enough to run it and build a new one. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 18:15:23 2007 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:15:23 -0400 Subject: Linux+ Exam In-Reply-To: References: <2985.66.11.182.5.1173830548.squirrel@canuckster.org> <200703141907.26702.fajarpri@arinet.org> <20070314141610.GF22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <45F98D3B.7070305@pppoe.ca> G. Matthew Rice wrote: >As an added bonus, this year should be pretty lively. It's time to >re-evaluate both the content of the LPIC-1 and LPIC-2 objectives (I'm pushing >for more accessibility, internationalization and DB content, personally) and >discuss/choose the next LPIC-3 topics. > > Is the LPI planning to have the exams discounted again at the IT360 show this year? Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 18:30:10 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:30:10 -0400 Subject: Linux+ Exam In-Reply-To: <45F98D3B.7070305-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <2985.66.11.182.5.1173830548.squirrel@canuckster.org> <200703141907.26702.fajarpri@arinet.org> <20070314141610.GF22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <45F98D3B.7070305@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <45F990B2.3030209@telly.org> Meng Cheah wrote: > Is the LPI planning to have the exams discounted again at the IT360 > show this year? > Well, it's mentioned in the conference guide that was just printed. :-) They say they will be offering LPI and ITIL/EXIN exams. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 18:55:46 2007 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 15 Mar 2007 14:55:46 -0400 Subject: Linux+ Exam In-Reply-To: <45F990B2.3030209-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <2985.66.11.182.5.1173830548.squirrel@canuckster.org> <200703141907.26702.fajarpri@arinet.org> <20070314141610.GF22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <45F98D3B.7070305@pppoe.ca> <45F990B2.3030209@telly.org> Message-ID: Evan Leibovitch writes: > Meng Cheah wrote: > > Is the LPI planning to have the exams discounted again at the IT360 show > > this year? > > Well, it's mentioned in the conference guide that was just printed. :-) > They say they will be offering LPI and ITIL/EXIN exams. I'm not certain what the deal is but e-mail glenn.lpi.org. and he'll know. Or just show up :) -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 19:01:40 2007 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:01:40 -0400 Subject: Linux+ Exam In-Reply-To: <45F990B2.3030209-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <2985.66.11.182.5.1173830548.squirrel@canuckster.org> <200703141907.26702.fajarpri@arinet.org> <20070314141610.GF22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <45F98D3B.7070305@pppoe.ca> <45F990B2.3030209@telly.org> Message-ID: <45F99814.1010701@pppoe.ca> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Meng Cheah wrote: > >> Is the LPI planning to have the exams discounted again at the IT360 >> show this year? >> > > Well, it's mentioned in the conference guide that was just printed. > :-) They say they will be offering LPI and ITIL/EXIN exams. > > - Evan Thanks. Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From david-FkEgs2FKm2NvBvnq28/GKQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 19:06:12 2007 From: david-FkEgs2FKm2NvBvnq28/GKQ at public.gmane.org (david thornton) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:06:12 +0000 Subject: Automated auditing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F99924.5020505@quadratic.net> Kihara Muriithi wrote: > Hi all, > I wonder if there is anybody here who have experience with automated > auditing. I am planning to implement auditing on one of my box. I have > googled around, but most articles discuss how to do it, but I am > currently interested and what information would be important to > collect without burying myself with data. Lots of data are good after > a problem, but I think it may not be a good idea if one want to be > proactive. > > Thanks > William check out: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=laus+linux&meta= -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 20:14:51 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:14:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: MIT Scheme compilation problem References: <20070314194831.GI22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070314212120.GK22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070315163737.GM22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070315174227.GO22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Lennart Sorensen writes: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 05:09:40PM +0000, Peter P. wrote: > > Yes, BUT the 'binary' from Debian has a lot of dependencies which will result > in the d/l of a ton of libraries. Is there a *binary* 'binary' of Scheme > somewhere ? > Perhaps one that would be used to build Scheme on something else (like > NetBSD or OpenBSD or *gasp* OSX) ? Or is there a workaround of some sort ? > > Well you could always try and follow the README.txt for doing a "cold" > boot compile. Sounds annoyingly complicated however. Otherwise it > seems simpler to just copy the few libraries 'ldd mit-scheme' says it > needs over from another system enough to run it and build a new one. Cool, so the 'cold boot' is actually a lukewarm boot. *still* I wonder if anybody is able to build scheme without any band at all ? The build process seems to imply that somewhere in the bands there may be little pieces of code that once upon a time ran in a PDP11 ... thanks, Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 20:53:46 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:53:46 -0500 Subject: Projector for April Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1e55af990703151353r3c4a21d2qf517f410bb0af940@mail.gmail.com> On 13 Mar 2007 14:34:51 -0400, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > "David J Patrick" writes: > > On 13/03/07, Robert Brockway wrote: > > > Hi all. Is anyone able to provide a project for the meeting on April 10? > > > > linuxcaffes 2000 lumens at your service. > > Take this one :) > > Mine is only 1100 or 1300 lumens. Hah, mine is 3000! *flex* -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 20:58:01 2007 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 15 Mar 2007 16:58:01 -0400 Subject: Projector for April Meeting In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703151353r3c4a21d2qf517f410bb0af940-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703151353r3c4a21d2qf517f410bb0af940@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Sy Ali" writes: > On 13 Mar 2007 14:34:51 -0400, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > > "David J Patrick" writes: > > > On 13/03/07, Robert Brockway wrote: > > > > Hi all. Is anyone able to provide a project for the meeting on April 10? > > > > > > linuxcaffes 2000 lumens at your service. > > > > Take this one :) > > > > Mine is only 1100 or 1300 lumens. > > Hah, mine is 3000! *flex* LOL. you win. *schwing* -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 21:09:00 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:09:00 -0500 Subject: Troubleshooting without help from others In-Reply-To: <45F8B188.8020908-3Aypa9sX/B7wvR0lvYjcXw@public.gmane.org> References: <45F8A95A.3070505@alteeve.com> <45F8B188.8020908@luckdancing.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990703151409l19ab35f2pff5ecae02ffdff08@mail.gmail.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > b) The Internet has atrophied our minds because it allows us to get > away without thinking/problem solving on our own anymore? Never memorize what you can look up. -- Einstein Rob is also right to say that other parts of our minds expand as our use of it shifts. And even more right in mentioning how real troubleshooting skills can't be solved with simple Googling. Yet. Google suggest in the year 2112: Did you really mean to troubleshoot: [x] When using Slackware version 203 and having reinstalled kgnome 4.2 and gesturing over the alpha menu with my left hand, I get a feedback sensor glitch with a tingling sensation in my left ring finger. : 202,013 blog posts, 180,000 related bug reports (179,999 duplicates), 5 confirmed solutions, 2 methods reproduced and solved by GoogleAI [auto-blog about this] [submit a bug report] [submit a patch] [pay GoogleAI to solve this for you] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 15 21:28:08 2007 From: jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Spiro) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:28:08 -0400 Subject: Offlist: Re: How can I logically troubleshoot my Ubuntu/Gnome/(GConf?) problem? (was: Re: Troubleshooting without help from others) In-Reply-To: <200703151504.35221.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200703151504.35221.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: 2007/3/15, CLIFFORD ILKAY replied to my off-list message: > On Thursday 15 March 2007, you wrote: ... > > Cool! I didnt think of checking the bug tracker. So if a dist > > upgrade doesn't fix it, I'll try that. > > > > (The thing that initially worried me about the dist-upgrade idea > > was that I might make the problem worse. :-)) > > It doesn't sound like you could make it worse. Worst case scenario, > how long would it take you to reinstall? You have to weigh the cost > of time in troubleshooting against doing a fresh install, even if > it's another distro. There are no hard and fast rules. You have to > use your judgment when to forge ahead or cut your losses and burn it > down. If my goal was to save time, I think I should have reinstalled Ubuntu already. :-) When I am at home, I tend to spend time troubleshooting to gain the experience that it provides. > Case in point, last summer, I was going to speak at a conference and > wanted to make sure that I wouldn't have any problems with my laptop > connecting to the projector once I got there so I tried hooking it up > to an external monitor. I was running Mandriva at the time. No matter > what I did, there were no signs of life on the external VGA out > connector. Apparently, the version of Xorg in that version of > Mandriva had a bug that effectively rendered it useless in that > scenario. Since ignoring the problem wasn't an option, I had to > either fix the problem myself or use another distro. Since I had > neither the time nor the inclination to fix something that in all > likelihood was going to be fixed in a later release anyway, I decided > to install Kubuntu. I was able to see video out but it wasn't > synching. I fiddled with Kubuntu for two days(!) before I gave up in > disgust and move on to Fedora Core 6, which worked out-of-the-box. I > haven't been completely happy with FC. I've hard more hard "freezes" > with FC6 in the few months that I ran it than I did in the years I > ran Mandriva. I still miss Mandriva but the cost of staying with FC > isn't higher than the cost of moving back to Mandriva in terms of my > time. It's funny how often it happens that something works in one distro but not another. P.S. Clifford, I hope you don't mind that I am replying to list. -- Jason Spiro: computer consulting with a smile. I provide software development and training services to clients worldwide. Contact me for a FREE consultation. Satisfaction guaranteed. +1 (416) 781-5938 / Email: info-1hdvTAswZAHQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org / MSN: jasonspiro-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 16 15:55:21 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:55:21 -0400 Subject: Bind error Message-ID: <20070316155521.GD18327@watson-wilson.ca> What is wrong with this: $TTL 3h 0.0.127.in-addr.arpa. IN SOA ns2.example.com. ( 2007031601 ; serial 3h ; refresh zones. 1h ; retry files refreshes 1w ; expire zone 1h ) ; negative ttl caching 0.0.127.in-addr.arpa. IN NS ns2.example.com. 1.0.0.127.in-addr-arpa. IN PTR localhost. Why am I getting this error in the log file: Mar 16 11:04:17 ns2 named[7149]: dns_rdata_fromtext: /var/named/slaves/db.127.0.0:3: near '3h': not a valid number Mar 16 11:04:17 ns2 named[7149]: dns_rdata_fromtext: /var/named/slaves/db.127.0.0:3: near '3h': not a valid number Mar 16 11:04:17 ns2 named[7149]: zone 0.0.127.in-addr.arpa/IN: loading master file /var/named/slaves/db.127.0.0: not a valid number Mar 16 11:04:17 ns2 named[7149]: zone 0.0.127.in-addr.arpa/IN: loading master file /var/named/slaves/db.127.0.0: not a valid number -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 17 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 16 16:25:49 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:25:49 -0400 Subject: Bind error In-Reply-To: <20070316155521.GD18327-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070316155521.GD18327@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <45FAC50D.5010908@alteeve.com> Neil Watson wrote: > What is wrong with this: > > $TTL 3h > 0.0.127.in-addr.arpa. IN SOA ns2.example.com. ( > 2007031601 ; serial > 3h ; refresh zones. > 1h ; retry files refreshes > 1w ; expire zone > 1h ) ; negative ttl caching > > 0.0.127.in-addr.arpa. IN NS ns2.example.com. > 1.0.0.127.in-addr-arpa. IN PTR localhost. > > Why am I getting this error in the log file: > > Mar 16 11:04:17 ns2 named[7149]: dns_rdata_fromtext: > /var/named/slaves/db.127.0.0:3: near '3h': not a valid number > > Mar 16 11:04:17 ns2 named[7149]: dns_rdata_fromtext: > /var/named/slaves/db.127.0.0:3: near '3h': not a valid number > > Mar 16 11:04:17 ns2 named[7149]: zone 0.0.127.in-addr.arpa/IN: loading > master > file /var/named/slaves/db.127.0.0: not a valid number > > Mar 16 11:04:17 ns2 named[7149]: zone 0.0.127.in-addr.arpa/IN: loading > master > file /var/named/slaves/db.127.0.0: not a valid number I could be wrong, but I think you can only specify TTL as a number of seconds. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Eric.Malenfant-xNZwKgViW5gAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 16 18:49:53 2007 From: Eric.Malenfant-xNZwKgViW5gAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Eric.Malenfant-xNZwKgViW5gAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:49:53 -0500 Subject: Bind error In-Reply-To: <45FAC50D.5010908-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20070316155521.GD18327@watson-wilson.ca> <45FAC50D.5010908@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <98A4A2882BDF3249B4A3650DA062799F071C0723@daebe100.NOE.Nokia.com> You need a TTL in seconds. $TTL 10800 = 3h a default TTL of 1 day (86400) would probably more than enough for any DNS caching, especially for internal/ reverse dns zones for your access only. - Eric -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of ext Madison Kelly Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 12:26 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Bind error Neil Watson wrote: > What is wrong with this: > > $TTL 3h > 0.0.127.in-addr.arpa. IN SOA ns2.example.com. ( > 2007031601 ; serial > 3h ; refresh zones. > 1h ; retry files refreshes > 1w ; expire zone > 1h ) ; negative ttl caching > > 0.0.127.in-addr.arpa. IN NS ns2.example.com. > 1.0.0.127.in-addr-arpa. IN PTR localhost. > > Why am I getting this error in the log file: > > Mar 16 11:04:17 ns2 named[7149]: dns_rdata_fromtext: > /var/named/slaves/db.127.0.0:3: near '3h': not a valid number > > Mar 16 11:04:17 ns2 named[7149]: dns_rdata_fromtext: > /var/named/slaves/db.127.0.0:3: near '3h': not a valid number > > Mar 16 11:04:17 ns2 named[7149]: zone 0.0.127.in-addr.arpa/IN: loading > master file /var/named/slaves/db.127.0.0: not a valid number > > Mar 16 11:04:17 ns2 named[7149]: zone 0.0.127.in-addr.arpa/IN: loading > master file /var/named/slaves/db.127.0.0: not a valid number I could be wrong, but I think you can only specify TTL as a number of seconds. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 16 21:16:45 2007 From: gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (George Nicol) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:16:45 -0400 Subject: Troubleshooting without help from others (was: Failed to open control device /dev/em8300-0) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45FB093D.8090107@primus.ca> Jason Spiro wrote: > a coworker who used to be an auto mechanic said it was > important to know how to troubleshoot without any help; > to know how to track down problems by logical trouble- > shooting steps. > > Is this true? How important is it, really, to know how > to troubleshoot independently? Yes, Jason, it's absolutely true. It's an essential, basic skill. The importance of independent troubleshooting cannot be overrated. I know where your coworker was coming from. I have been an auto mechanic, an automotive machinist, a general machinist, a tool and die maker, and I've gotten my hands dirty in many other skilled trades. I've worked with engineers, designers, and crazy inventors. Troubleshooting and an innate curiosity separate the merely competent from the truly skilled journeyman or master tradesman. Steve Litt asks rhetorically, "Troubleshooting: What's in it for me?" His answer: "Money, power, fame, happiness, an improved social and family life, and organizational success." Troubleshooting is also a highly portable skill. It's equally crucial and indispensable to success in any profession you may pursue. If you study psychology or marketing in university, you'll be offered courses in how to formulate the question "Why?" Sadly, I was over thirty before I had an epiphany (in a machine shop!) and realized that if I asked the right question, the answer would be automatically revealed. I swear: a light bulb went on over my head! But where can you learn this stuff? I recommend Steve Litt's website: http://troubleshooters.com/ and you should start here: "The Universal Troubleshooting Process" http://troubleshooters.com/tuni.htm I also recommend staying in touch with your coworker. It sounds like he knows from experience what he's talking about, although he could have been a little more forthcoming. Of course, he may have been testing your curiosity quotient. We do that. We used to weed out the apprentices who wouldn't make it by leaving an arcane object in the coffee break area. If they noticed it, puzzled over it, couldn't keep their eyes off it, and finally asked what it was for or what it did, they passed the test. Tricks of the trade are jealously guarded because if they are freely dispensed, they are merely "pearls of wisdom cast before swine" and that devalues both the teaching and the teacher. All this does not mean that you should give up the Web, Usenet, Google, or any other tool in the kit, including documentation in all forms. But before you employ those resources, there's a "howto" you should read. Eric S Raymond (love him or hate him, he has written some good stuff) and Rick Moen wrote "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" and it's available here: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html If everyone read it and applied the instructions, Zbigniew Koziol's complaint/problem would disappear in a puff of logic. Fat chance. Regarding your coworker's observation about your reliance on Google, he may have meant "To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail." In other words, use the appropriate tool chosen from all the tools. Congratulations, Jason, on asking one of the best questions I've seen in my years on the TLUG list. I hope this is helpful. Cheers, CanuckTux -- George Nicol Tech.Nicol.Support-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 16 21:49:15 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:49:15 +0000 Subject: Troubleshooting without help from others (was: Failed to open control device /dev/em8300-0) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/14/07, Jason Spiro wrote: > Last summer, a coworker of mine was a software package tester who used > to be an auto mechanic. He noted I turn to Google a lot for help with > problems. He said it was important to know how to troubleshoot > without any help from the Web, or mailing lists, or anywhere: to know > how to track down problems by logical troubleshooting steps. > > Is this true? How important is it, really, to know how to > troubleshoot independently? It is the difference between competence and being helpless. It is the difference between being briefly employed as a sysadmin and being able to make a career of it. It is the difference between merely being entrusted with unimportant things and receiving actually-important responsibility. In an RMS-style 'utopia', it's the entire reason why he fought to allow people access to source code. In his world, we have source code so that you can fix things that you find are broken. He didn't start the GNU project merely so that people could download CDs so they could boot up a "GNU system" consisting of immutable components; he wanted people to be fixing and customizing their systems, as opposed to being led around by the nose by whatever RHAT or Novell decide to put into their products. That RMS is a bit of a loon does not prevent there from being merit in this... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 16 22:30:27 2007 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:30:27 -0400 Subject: perl / ifram / javascript question In-Reply-To: <45F7FD65.6030001-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45F75FB9.6060102@alteeve.com> <45F76439.2050205@pobox.com> <45F7FD65.6030001@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200703161830.27787.amarjan@pobox.com> On March 14, 2007 09:49:25 am Madison Kelly wrote: > > In this case the problem is Javascript is not very good at rounding. > This is more of an issue because this is a financial program and a > rounding error could cost me money or, worse, charge a customer too much > money. Perhaps a penny here or there, but regardless, it would make me > look unprofessional. > As others have suggested, it's best to avoid floating point for finances. There's a reason databases, Java and C# (among others) have fixed-point, "decimal" types. For instance, the Python tutorial has a decent description of floating point representation problems: http://docs.python.org/tut/node16.html Working accurately and precisely with floating point is actually quite complex; be careful if you're not good at numerical analysis. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 01:03:30 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:03:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: slackware: rc.4 never seems to get executed Message-ID: <63418.67.68.44.117.1174093410.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> I have been having a few configuration issues with Slack 11. For one, I am not sure how init gets to runlevel 4. If it does, it never reads /etc/rc.d/rc.4 or executes it. As a result, the display manager doesn't run. I can run rc.4 by hand, issuing # ./rc.4 start and kdm starts successfully. I found this out by running stat on the entire /etc/rc.d directory just after a reboot. rc.4 had a much older file access time than the rest of the files, in addition to other files. All the other runlevel files had more recent access times. While I don't do much work on /etc/inittab it at least *seems* normal, and specifies that rc.4 should run during runlevel 4. Here is the listing: =========LISTING of /etc/inittab FOLLOWS: ===================== # # inittab This file describes how the INIT process should set up # the system in a certain run-level. # # Version: @(#)inittab 2.04 17/05/93 MvS # 2.10 02/10/95 PV # 3.00 02/06/1999 PV # 4.00 04/10/2002 PV # # Author: Miquel van Smoorenburg, # Modified by: Patrick J. Volkerding, # # These are the default runlevels in Slackware: # 0 = halt # 1 = single user mode # 2 = unused (but configured the same as runlevel 3) # 3 = multiuser mode (default Slackware runlevel) # 4 = X11 with KDM/GDM/XDM (session managers) # 5 = unused (but configured the same as runlevel 3) # 6 = reboot # Default runlevel. (Do not set to 0 or 6) id:3:initdefault: # System initialization (runs when system boots). si:S:sysinit:/etc/rc.d/rc.S # Script to run when going single user (runlevel 1). su:1S:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc.K # Script to run when going multi user. rc:2345:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc.M # What to do at the "Three Finger Salute". ca::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t5 -r now # Runlevel 0 halts the system. l0:0:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc.0 # Runlevel 6 reboots the system. l6:6:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc.6 # What to do when power fails. pf::powerfail:/sbin/genpowerfail start # If power is back, cancel the running shutdown. pg::powerokwait:/sbin/genpowerfail stop # These are the standard console login getties in multiuser mode: c1:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty1 linux c2:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty2 linux c3:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty3 linux c4:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty4 linux c5:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty5 linux c6:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty6 linux # Local serial lines: #s1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 #s2:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -L ttyS1 9600 vt100 # Dialup lines: #d1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -mt60 38400,19200,9600,2400,1200 ttyS0 vt100 #d2:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -mt60 38400,19200,9600,2400,1200 ttyS1 vt100 # Runlevel 4 used to be for an X window only system, until we discovered # that it throws init into a loop that keeps your load avg at least 1 all # the time. Thus, there is now one getty opened on tty6. Hopefully no one # will notice. ;^) # It might not be bad to have one text console anyway, in case something # happens to X. x1:4:respawn:/etc/rc.d/rc.4 # End of /etc/inittab ========== END OF LISTING =============================== The commenting is as-is, un-edited. I don't know why rc.4 is the last line in this script. Also, should runlevel 4 be included in c1 to c5? I suspect not, since they are supposed to be TTY consoles. Any reading suggestions would also be of help. Preferably Slackware-based, since as you can see in the script comments, this is the *slackware* method of rebooting. Under /etc/rc.d, rc.0 is symbolically linked to rc.6. Thanks Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 03:34:03 2007 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 23:34:03 -0400 Subject: slackware: rc.4 never seems to get executed In-Reply-To: <63418.67.68.44.117.1174093410.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0lrcv4dJfSQg@public.gmane.org> References: <63418.67.68.44.117.1174093410.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> Message-ID: <92ee967a0703162034l6e65f2e2w1526169862879e2e@mail.gmail.com> On 3/16/07, sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org wrote: ... > The commenting is as-is, un-edited. I don't know why rc.4 is the last line > in this script. Also, should runlevel 4 be included in c1 to c5? I > suspect not, since they are supposed to be TTY consoles. > > Any reading suggestions would also be of help. Preferably Slackware-based, > since as you can see in the script comments, this is the *slackware* > method of rebooting. > > Under /etc/rc.d, rc.0 is symbolically linked to rc.6. ... If you want it to boot X11, try changing # Default runlevel. (Do not set to 0 or 6) id:3:initdefault: to: # Default runlevel. (Do not set to 0 or 6) id:4:initdefault: Slackware is great :-) -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 03:39:41 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 23:39:41 -0400 Subject: slackware: rc.4 never seems to get executed In-Reply-To: <63418.67.68.44.117.1174093410.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0lrcv4dJfSQg@public.gmane.org> References: <63418.67.68.44.117.1174093410.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> Message-ID: <45FB62FD.8070202@utoronto.ca> # Default runlevel. (Do not set to 0 or 6) id:3:initdefault: Change the 3 to a 4. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 04:19:36 2007 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 00:19:36 -0400 Subject: slackware: rc.4 never seems to get executed In-Reply-To: <63418.67.68.44.117.1174093410.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0lrcv4dJfSQg@public.gmane.org> References: <63418.67.68.44.117.1174093410.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> Message-ID: <20070317001936.4f25c6d2.gstrom@teksavvy.com> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:03:30 -0500 (EST) sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org wrote: Also, should runlevel 4 be included in c1 to c5? > I suspect not, since they are supposed to be TTY consoles. > c1 to c6 represent the consoles. The numbers that follow tell you which runlevels they are available in for use. For example, c3: 1235 means console 3 is available in runlevels 1, 2, 3, and 5. It's not available in runlevel 4. You can add console 3 to runlevel 4 by adding the number to that line. Change this: c3:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty3 linux to this: c3:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty3 linux Note that by default, you already have console 6 available in runlevel 4. That's what that message at the end of the inittab file is about: # Runlevel 4 used to be for an X window only system, until we discovered # that it throws init into a loop that keeps your load avg at least 1 # all the time. Thus, there is now one getty opened on tty6. Hopefully # no one will notice. ;^) # It might not be bad to have one text console anyway, in case something # happens to X. x1:4:respawn:/etc/rc.d/rc.4 Don't worry about that. Take the advice of the Beatles (with one small change in the lyrics to make it more appropriate for the situation): When I find myself in times of trouble Father Patrick comes to me Speaking words of wisdom, let it be. -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 08:17:18 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 04:17:18 -0400 Subject: daylight savings time issues? In-Reply-To: <20070315163910.GN22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1173728319.6430.9.camel@localhost> <20070315002644.GA23952@waltdnes.org> <20070315163910.GN22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070317081718.GB26807@waltdnes.org> On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 12:39:10PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote > > Nowadays, /etc/localtime is *A COPY* of /usr/share/zoneinfo/ooga/booga, > > and you have to manually... > > Only on some crazy systems. > # ls -l /etc/localtime > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 Mar 13 15:06 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern > > Apparently Debian belives in being a sane distribution. I'm gonna have to complain to on the Gentoo list. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 11:50:48 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 06:50:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: slackware: rc.4 never seems to get executed In-Reply-To: <45FB62FD.8070202-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <63418.67.68.44.117.1174093410.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> <45FB62FD.8070202@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <60842.67.68.44.117.1174132248.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> Thanks. That worked. Paul > # Default runlevel. (Do not set to 0 or 6) > id:3:initdefault: > > Change the 3 to a 4. > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 12:56:58 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: I think that Goolge won Message-ID: I think that when Ballmer gets personal on a competitor, then it means that the competitor has won, and that Ballmer has no arguments left (excepting ad persona/ad pinguinus arguments). http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/16/ballmer_google_insane/ Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 13:36:53 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 09:36:53 -0400 Subject: New Computer Message-ID: <45FBEEF5.3050305@utoronto.ca> I'm getting a new computer for my Dad. I really like the Mac Mini and the iMac because of their "sleep" modes among other things, but I think I could get more bang for my buck with a generic box running Linux. What kind of hardware out there can go into "sleep mode" and is compatible with Linux? And by sleep mode I mean the power supply fan shuts off. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 14:33:17 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:33:17 -0400 Subject: eth where is it storing old mac address refs? Message-ID: <1174141997.2592.105.camel@stan64.site> i cloned a linux flash appliance (fw/vpn) and when i put the flash cart. in the new system, which is identical except for the mac address on the net cards, the linux then labels eth3 eth4 eth5 the net ports, and i move it to another machine and then its eth6 eth7 eth8 i'd like it to just go virgin again and label them eth0 eth1 eth2 I am grep'ing all over the place for the mac numbers of the new and old interfaces, assuming that somewhere linux has stored these, and when it find new interfaces it is indexing the eth?? under the assumption maybe someone is plugging cards in and out and one doesnt want to lose old ip/mac assignments or soemthing. anyone know where linux keeps MAC id's ? I am using SUSE10.1 but if someone has a similar story and fix for any distro, it would probably be useful. I can deal with the new assignments if i have to , but i have configs in OpenSwan (klips) that ref the eth##'s and in general for this cloning to be as effortless as possible, i'd like the install to forget about the old Mac address of interfaces it will never see again. -tl -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 15:00:52 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:00:52 -0400 Subject: New Computer In-Reply-To: <45FBEEF5.3050305-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <45FBEEF5.3050305@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <200703171100.52937.softquake@gmail.com> On Saturday 17 March 2007 09:36, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > I'm getting a new computer for my Dad. I really like the Mac Mini and > the iMac because of their "sleep" modes among other things, but I think > I could get more bang for my buck with a generic box running Linux. > > What kind of hardware out there can go into "sleep mode" and is > compatible with Linux? And by sleep mode I mean the power supply fan > shuts off. It is dangerous when power supply fun is off. This may possibly even cause fire. zb. > Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 16:54:25 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:54:25 -0400 Subject: New Computer In-Reply-To: <200703171100.52937.softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <45FBEEF5.3050305@utoronto.ca> <200703171100.52937.softquake@gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880703170954n4ac91287g4dac76f6ad25364f@mail.gmail.com> I don't understand what can cause a fire? On 3/17/07, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > On Saturday 17 March 2007 09:36, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > > I'm getting a new computer for my Dad. I really like the Mac Mini and > > the iMac because of their "sleep" modes among other things, but I think > > I could get more bang for my buck with a generic box running Linux. > > > > What kind of hardware out there can go into "sleep mode" and is > > compatible with Linux? And by sleep mode I mean the power supply fan > > shuts off. > > It is dangerous when power supply fun is off. This may possibly even cause > fire. > > zb. > > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 16:55:21 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:55:21 -0400 Subject: New Computer In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880703170954n4ac91287g4dac76f6ad25364f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <45FBEEF5.3050305@utoronto.ca> <200703171100.52937.softquake@gmail.com> <32f6a8880703170954n4ac91287g4dac76f6ad25364f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880703170955n1a9be36au4adb83ad9cf5097@mail.gmail.com> Oh nevermind... i see when the power fan goes off sorry :) On 3/17/07, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > I don't understand what can cause a fire? > > On 3/17/07, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > > > On Saturday 17 March 2007 09:36, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > > > I'm getting a new computer for my Dad. I really like the Mac Mini and > > > the iMac because of their "sleep" modes among other things, but I > > think > > > I could get more bang for my buck with a generic box running Linux. > > > > > > What kind of hardware out there can go into "sleep mode" and is > > > compatible with Linux? And by sleep mode I mean the power supply fan > > > shuts off. > > > > It is dangerous when power supply fun is off. This may possibly even > > cause > > fire. > > > > zb. > > > > > Ivan. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 17:13:02 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:13:02 -0400 Subject: Apache 'ab' and gnuplot Message-ID: <20070317171302.GA5375@watson-wilson.ca> need some help with gnuplot. I've generated a plot file using Apache's 'ab' command: /usr/sbin/ab -n 500 -c 100 -g test 10.0.1.1/login.html When I try to view the file with gnuplot: $ gnuplot test gnuplot> starttime seconds ctime dtime ttime wait ^ "test", line 1: invalid command What have I done wrong? Sample from plot file: starttime seconds ctime dtime ttime wait Sat Mar 17 12:35:07 2007 1174149307470989 13 218 231 201 Sat Mar 17 12:35:07 2007 1174149307471227 14 234 248 218 Sat Mar 17 12:35:07 2007 1174149307471288 15 251 266 235 Sat Mar 17 12:35:07 2007 1174149307471355 18 265 283 249 Sat Mar 17 12:35:07 2007 1174149307471400 19 282 301 266 Sat Mar 17 12:35:07 2007 1174149307471490 23 295 318 280 Sat Mar 17 12:35:07 2007 1174149307471556 24 312 336 296 Sat Mar 17 12:35:07 2007 1174149307471619 25 329 354 312 Sat Mar 17 12:35:07 2007 1174149307471663 27 344 371 329 -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 18 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 17:26:24 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:26:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Getting sound to work in Slackware Message-ID: <61875.67.68.44.117.1174152384.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> Again, if anyone can refer me to appropriate reading material would be appreciated. I have gone through the Sound-HOWTO, and: 1. there is no plug-and-play on my system (according to isapnp) 2. the kernel modules for sound are present (seems like more modules than I expected) - listed below 3. the default device files are all there and appear to be OK 4. I have configured ALSA (alsamixer), and it seems to load OK (no errors) 5. When I play an mp3 file, I get a repeating message "ALSA: underrun, at least 0ms." and no sound. 6. None of the system sounds work either, even though it is enabled. If anyone can help. For what it is worth, the output of lsmod appears below. I must remark on an unusual number of sound modules from what I am used to seeing in other distros. =================OUTPUT BEGINS======================= Module Size Used by Not tainted snd-seq-oss 23104 0 (unused) snd-seq-midi-event 3208 0 [snd-seq-oss] snd-seq 33552 2 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event] snd-pcm-oss 28928 0 snd-mixer-oss 11928 0 [snd-pcm-oss] parport_pc 14692 0 parport 22472 0 [parport_pc] uhci 23804 0 (unused) ne2k-pci 4384 1 8390 5696 0 [ne2k-pci] crc32 2880 0 [8390] usb-ohci 18856 0 (unused) ehci-hcd 17644 0 (unused) usbcore 56812 1 [uhci usb-ohci ehci-hcd] snd-cs4281 9664 0 gameport 1388 0 [snd-cs4281] snd-opl3-lib 5636 0 [snd-cs4281] snd-hwdep 4156 0 [snd-opl3-lib] snd-rawmidi 12224 0 [snd-cs4281] snd-seq-device 3716 0 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq snd-opl3-lib snd-rawmidi] snd-ac97-codec 68160 0 [snd-cs4281] snd-pcm 52804 0 [snd-pcm-oss snd-cs4281 snd-ac97-codec] snd-timer 13168 0 [snd-seq snd-opl3-lib snd-pcm] snd 34304 0 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-cs4281 snd-opl3-lib snd-hwdep snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device snd-ac97-codec snd-pcm snd-timer] snd-page-alloc 4980 0 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq snd-mixer-oss snd-hwdep snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device snd-pcm snd-timer snd] soundcore 3300 8 [snd] pcmcia_core 39492 0 ntfs 50848 2 (autoclean) ide-scsi 9392 0 agpgart 45092 0 (unused) =================OUTPUT ENDS========================= Thanks for any help Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 18:28:47 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:28:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fwd:CORRECTION - Getting sound to work in Slackware] Message-ID: <62048.67.68.44.117.1174156127.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> I didn't use isapnp - I used pnpdump to detect plug-and-play cards. ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [TLUG]: Getting sound to work in Slackware From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Date: Sat, March 17, 2007 12:26 pm To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Again, if anyone can refer me to appropriate reading material would be appreciated. I have gone through the Sound-HOWTO, and: 1. there is no plug-and-play on my system (according to isapnp) CORRECTION: that should be "pnpdump", not isapnp 2. the kernel modules for sound are present (seems like more modules than I expected) - listed below 3. the default device files are all there and appear to be OK 4. I have configured ALSA (alsamixer), and it seems to load OK (no errors) 5. When I play an mp3 file, I get a repeating message "ALSA: underrun, at least 0ms." and no sound. 6. None of the system sounds work either, even though it is enabled. If anyone can help. For what it is worth, the output of lsmod appears below. I must remark on an unusual number of sound modules from what I am used to seeing in other distros. =================OUTPUT BEGINS======================= Module Size Used by Not tainted snd-seq-oss 23104 0 (unused) snd-seq-midi-event 3208 0 [snd-seq-oss] snd-seq 33552 2 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event] snd-pcm-oss 28928 0 snd-mixer-oss 11928 0 [snd-pcm-oss] parport_pc 14692 0 parport 22472 0 [parport_pc] uhci 23804 0 (unused) ne2k-pci 4384 1 8390 5696 0 [ne2k-pci] crc32 2880 0 [8390] usb-ohci 18856 0 (unused) ehci-hcd 17644 0 (unused) usbcore 56812 1 [uhci usb-ohci ehci-hcd] snd-cs4281 9664 0 gameport 1388 0 [snd-cs4281] snd-opl3-lib 5636 0 [snd-cs4281] snd-hwdep 4156 0 [snd-opl3-lib] snd-rawmidi 12224 0 [snd-cs4281] snd-seq-device 3716 0 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq snd-opl3-lib snd-rawmidi] snd-ac97-codec 68160 0 [snd-cs4281] snd-pcm 52804 0 [snd-pcm-oss snd-cs4281 snd-ac97-codec] snd-timer 13168 0 [snd-seq snd-opl3-lib snd-pcm] snd 34304 0 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-cs4281 snd-opl3-lib snd-hwdep snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device snd-ac97-codec snd-pcm snd-timer] snd-page-alloc 4980 0 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq snd-mixer-oss snd-hwdep snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device snd-pcm snd-timer snd] soundcore 3300 8 [snd] pcmcia_core 39492 0 ntfs 50848 2 (autoclean) ide-scsi 9392 0 agpgart 45092 0 (unused) =================OUTPUT ENDS========================= Thanks for any help Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 18:37:50 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 14:37:50 -0400 Subject: Solved: Re:eth where is it storing old mac address refs? In-Reply-To: <1174141997.2592.105.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <1174141997.2592.105.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <1174156670.2592.114.camel@stan64.site> fixed by nuking them in /etc/udev/rules.d/30-net_persistent_names ya learn something new every day. -tl On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 10:33 -0400, tleslie wrote: > i cloned a linux flash appliance (fw/vpn) > and when i put the flash cart. in the new system, which is identical > except for the mac address on the net cards, > the linux then labels eth3 eth4 eth5 the net ports, > and i move it to another machine and > then its eth6 eth7 eth8 > > i'd like it to just go virgin again and label them eth0 eth1 eth2 > > I am grep'ing all over the place for the mac numbers of the new and old > interfaces, assuming that somewhere linux has stored these, and when it > find new interfaces it is indexing the eth?? under the assumption maybe > someone is plugging cards in and out and one doesnt want to lose old > ip/mac assignments or soemthing. > > anyone know where linux keeps MAC id's ? > I am using SUSE10.1 > but if someone has a similar story and fix for any distro, > it would probably be useful. > > I can deal with the new assignments if i have to , but i have configs in > OpenSwan (klips) that ref the eth##'s and in general for this cloning to > be as effortless as possible, i'd like the install to forget about the > old Mac address of interfaces it will never see again. > > -tl > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 19:03:15 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:03:15 -0400 Subject: If Microsoft created vi Message-ID: <45FC3B73.1010004@rogers.com> http://blogs.sun.com/marigan/entry/how_the_vi_editor_would -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 19:07:09 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:07:09 -0400 Subject: New Computer In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880703170954n4ac91287g4dac76f6ad25364f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <45FBEEF5.3050305@utoronto.ca> <200703171100.52937.softquake@gmail.com> <32f6a8880703170954n4ac91287g4dac76f6ad25364f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45FC3C5D.1020501@rogers.com> Not having fun (let's not go there) with a power supply. ;-) Dave Germiquet wrote: > I don't understand what can cause a fire? > > On 3/17/07, *Zbigniew Koziol* > wrote: > > On Saturday 17 March 2007 09:36, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > > I'm getting a new computer for my Dad. I really like the Mac > Mini and > > the iMac because of their "sleep" modes among other things, but > I think > > I could get more bang for my buck with a generic box running Linux. > > > > What kind of hardware out there can go into "sleep mode" and is > > compatible with Linux? And by sleep mode I mean the power supply fan > > shuts off. > > It is dangerous when power supply fun is off. This may possibly > even cause > fire. > > zb. > > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 19:11:07 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: sox problem ? Message-ID: I think that I found a bug in sox. Can someone please confirm this ? : > say -a -o said.au hello > sox said.au -U -b -r 10000 said.raw > sox -U -b -r 10000 said.raw x.au > play x.au The result is that 'x.au' plays the sound twice in a row. Huh ? The raw format converted into is not relevant. any comments would be appreciated, thanks, Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 20:27:58 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:27:58 -0400 Subject: New Computer In-Reply-To: <200703171100.52937.softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <45FBEEF5.3050305@utoronto.ca> <200703171100.52937.softquake@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45FC4F4E.7010200@utoronto.ca> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > It is dangerous when power supply fun is off. This may possibly even cause > fire. The power supply fan should go off when the computer is in "sleep" mode. I see nothing dangerous about this. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 20:31:30 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:31:30 -0400 Subject: New Computer In-Reply-To: <45FC4F4E.7010200-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <45FBEEF5.3050305@utoronto.ca> <200703171100.52937.softquake@gmail.com> <45FC4F4E.7010200@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1e55af990703171331y4ef17a92yb7cd02666ef8f766@mail.gmail.com> On 3/17/07, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > > It is dangerous when power supply fun is off. This may possibly even cause > > fire. > > The power supply fan should go off when the computer is in "sleep" mode. > I see nothing dangerous about this. Well, if the system suspended to ram and is still using power then perhaps there are issues.. but what kind of sleep mode are we talking about? Suspend-to-disk type stuff? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 20:35:44 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:35:44 -0400 Subject: If Microsoft created vi In-Reply-To: <45FC3B73.1010004-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <45FC3B73.1010004@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990703171335k67987544y70166c04be141176@mail.gmail.com> On 3/17/07, James Knott wrote: > > http://blogs.sun.com/marigan/entry/how_the_vi_editor_would from this comic and onwards http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/00jan/20000104.html http://vigor.sourceforge.net/ http://vigor.sourceforge.net/screenshots/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 20:52:36 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:52:36 -0400 Subject: New Computer In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703171331y4ef17a92yb7cd02666ef8f766-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <45FBEEF5.3050305@utoronto.ca> <200703171100.52937.softquake@gmail.com> <45FC4F4E.7010200@utoronto.ca> <1e55af990703171331y4ef17a92yb7cd02666ef8f766@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45FC5514.6010000@utoronto.ca> Sy Ali wrote: > Well, if the system suspended to ram and is still using power then > perhaps there are issues.. but what kind of sleep mode are we talking > about? Suspend-to-disk type stuff? Suspend to ram. In suspend to ram all you need is a little bit of power to keep the memory from losing its contents. I mean if Antec can control it's exhaust fan with a thermostat, why can't it turn off both fans when the computer is in "suspend to ram"? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rrod-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 20:53:27 2007 From: rrod-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (R.R.) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:53:27 -0400 Subject: If Microsoft created vi In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703171335k67987544y70166c04be141176-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703171335k67987544y70166c04be141176@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070317195355.9BE6230965@rock.ss.org> Haha, that made my day :) Oh, and pico/nano is better IMO. - Rick. -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Sy Ali Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 4:36 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: If Microsoft created vi On 3/17/07, James Knott wrote: > > http://blogs.sun.com/marigan/entry/how_the_vi_editor_would from this comic and onwards http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/00jan/20000104.html http://vigor.sourceforge.net/ http://vigor.sourceforge.net/screenshots/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 20:55:12 2007 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:55:12 -0400 Subject: Getting sound to work in Slackware In-Reply-To: <61875.67.68.44.117.1174152384.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0lrcv4dJfSQg@public.gmane.org> References: <61875.67.68.44.117.1174152384.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> Message-ID: <20070317165512.58197098.gstrom@teksavvy.com> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:26:24 -0500 (EST) sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org wrote: > Again, if anyone can refer me to appropriate reading material would be > appreciated. I have gone through the Sound-HOWTO, and: > > 1. there is no plug-and-play on my system (according to isapnp) > 2. the kernel modules for sound are present (seems like more modules > than I expected) - listed below > 3. the default device files are all there and appear to be OK > 4. I have configured ALSA (alsamixer), and it seems to load OK (no > errors) > 5. When I play an mp3 file, I get a repeating message > "ALSA: underrun, at least 0ms." > and no sound. > 6. None of the system sounds work either, even though it is enabled. > Make sure you add your user account to the audio group in /etc/group. Also, check the permissions on /dev/dsp (which is symlinked to /dev/dsp0) and /dev/mixer (which is symlinked to /dev/mixer0). You need read/write permission for owner and group (both devices are in the audio group). A good source of information is the archive of the newsgroup alt.os.linux.slackware. You can access it from Google groups. I found many of the answers I needed there. -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 17 22:54:08 2007 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:54:08 -0400 Subject: computer freezing Message-ID: <1174172048.3190.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi I'm wondering if anyone can help me figure out why my laptop keeps freezing. I'm running FC5. The freezing is intermittent but seems to be happening more often (or I'm getting less impatient) . I can't seem to find a pattern to it for example when using specific programs. If I am doing nothng and just let it run it will often freeze. I did a RAM test and that seems ok. Is it possible the Kernel is corrupted somehow? Below is my /var/log/messages . Only way I can interact with the system is with altSysRQ commands. This is really frustrating. Anyone have any ideas what I can try. When it freezes I can't even SSH into it so I don't think it is a problem with X windows. jim Mar 17 16:06:09 localhost gconfd (jim-4635): starting (version 2.14.0), pid 4635 user 'jim' Mar 17 16:06:10 localhost gconfd (jim-4635): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only configuration source at position 0 Mar 17 16:06:10 localhost gconfd (jim-4635): Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/home/jim/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 1 Mar 17 16:06:10 localhost gconfd (jim-4635): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only configuration source at position 2 Mar 17 18:30:44 localhost syslogd 1.4.1: restart. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: klogd 1.4.1, log source = /proc/kmsg started. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Linux version 2.6.18-1.2239.fc5smp (brewbuilder-RC4msc60od4mr7qH2pzVJvXAX3CI6PSWQQ4Iyu8u01E at public.gmane.org) (gcc version 4.1.1 20060525 (Red Hat 4.1.1-1)) #1 SMP Fri Nov 10 13:22:44 EST 2006 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: BIOS-provided physical RAM map: Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009f800 (usable) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: BIOS-e820: 000000000009f800 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: BIOS-e820: 00000000000d8000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 000000001ff70000 (usable) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: BIOS-e820: 000000001ff70000 - 000000001ff7b000 (ACPI data) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: BIOS-e820: 000000001ff7b000 - 000000001ff80000 (ACPI NVS) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: BIOS-e820: 000000001ff80000 - 0000000020000000 (reserved) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec10000 (reserved) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fee01000 (reserved) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: BIOS-e820: 00000000ff800000 - 00000000ffc00000 (reserved) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: BIOS-e820: 00000000fffffc00 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: 0MB HIGHMEM available. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: 511MB LOWMEM available. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: found SMP MP-table at 000f67a0 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Using x86 segment limits to approximate NX protection Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: DMI present. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Using APIC driver default Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: IO/L-APIC allowed because system is MP or new enough Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0x1008 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x00] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Processor #0 15:2 APIC version 20 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x01] lapic_id[0x01] enabled) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Processor #1 15:2 APIC version 20 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x00] high edge lint[0x1]) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x01] high edge lint[0x1]) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x02] address[0xfec00000] gsi_base[0]) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: IOAPIC[0]: apic_id 2, version 32, address 0xfec00000, GSI 0-23 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 9 global_irq 9 high level) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Enabling APIC mode: Flat. Using 1 I/O APICs Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Using ACPI (MADT) for SMP configuration information Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Allocating PCI resources starting at 30000000 (gap: 20000000:dec00000) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Detected 3059.451 MHz processor. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Built 1 zonelists. Total pages: 130928 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Kernel command line: ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Initializing CPU#0 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: CPU 0 irqstacks, hard=c07a6000 soft=c0786000 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: PID hash table entries: 2048 (order: 11, 8192 bytes) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Dentry cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Inode-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Memory: 512468k/523712k available (2120k kernel code, 10584k reserved, 853k data, 244k init, 0k highmem) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode... Ok. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Calibrating delay using timer specific routine.. 6121.18 BogoMIPS (lpj=3060591) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Security Framework v1.0.0 initialized Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: SELinux: Initializing. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: SELinux: Starting in permissive mode Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: selinux_register_security: Registering secondary module capability Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Capability LSM initialized as secondary Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: 8K Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: CPU: L2 cache: 512K Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: CPU: Physical Processor ID: 0 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost rpc.statd[2200]: Version 1.0.8 Starting Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Intel machine check architecture supported. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: CPU0: Intel P4/Xeon Extended MCE MSRs (12) available Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: CPU0: Thermal monitoring enabled Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: SMP alternatives: switching to UP code Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: Core revision 20060707 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: CPU0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz stepping 09 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: SMP alternatives: switching to SMP code Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Booting processor 1/1 eip 3000 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: CPU 1 irqstacks, hard=c07a7000 soft=c0787000 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Initializing CPU#1 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Calibrating delay using timer specific routine.. 6117.50 BogoMIPS (lpj=3058750) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: 8K Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: CPU: L2 cache: 512K Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: CPU: Physical Processor ID: 0 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Intel machine check architecture supported. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#1. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: CPU1: Intel P4/Xeon Extended MCE MSRs (12) available Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: CPU1: Thermal monitoring enabled Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: CPU1: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz stepping 09 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Total of 2 processors activated (12238.68 BogoMIPS). Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ENABLING IO-APIC IRQs Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ..TIMER: vector=0x31 apic1=0 pin1=0 apic2=-1 pin2=-1 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: checking TSC synchronization across 2 CPUs: passed. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Brought up 2 CPUs Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: migration_cost=15 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: checking if image is initramfs... it is Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Freeing initrd memory: 1675k freed Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 16 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: bus type pci registered Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfd972, last bus=2 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: PCI: Using configuration type 1 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Setting up standard PCI resources Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: Interpreter enabled Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: Using IOAPIC for interrupt routing Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (0000:00) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: PCI quirk: region 1000-107f claimed by ICH4 ACPI/GPIO/TCO Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: PCI quirk: region 1180-11bf claimed by ICH4 GPIO Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: PCI: Ignoring BAR0-3 of IDE controller 0000:00:1f.1 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: PCI: Transparent bridge - 0000:00:1e.0 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: PCI: Bus #03 (-#06) is hidden behind transparent bridge #02 (-#02) (try 'pci=assign-busses') Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Please report the result to linux-kernel to fix this permanently Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 10 11 14 15) *5 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 3 *10 11 14 15) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 3 *10 11 14 15) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs 3 10 *11 14 15) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] (IRQs 3 10 11 14 15) *4 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs 3 *10 11 14 15) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] (IRQs 3 10 11 14 15) *0, disabled. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] (IRQs 3 10 *11 14 15) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: Embedded Controller [EC0] (gpe 29) interrupt mode. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Linux Plug and Play Support v0.97 (c) Adam Belay Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: pnp: PnP ACPI init Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: pnp: PnP ACPI: found 10 devices Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usbfs Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: usbcore: registered new driver hub Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: PCI: If a device doesn't work, try "pci=routeirq". If it helps, post a report Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: PCI: Bridge: 0000:00:01.0 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: IO window: disabled. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: MEM window: d1000000-d1ffffff Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: PREFETCH window: e0000000-efffffff Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: PCI: Bus 3, cardbus bridge: 0000:02:01.0 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: IO window: 00003400-000034ff Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: IO window: 00003800-000038ff Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: PREFETCH window: 30000000-31ffffff Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: MEM window: 34000000-35ffffff Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: PCI: Bridge: 0000:00:1e.0 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: IO window: 3000-3fff Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: MEM window: d2000000-d23fffff Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: PREFETCH window: 30000000-31ffffff Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:01.0[A] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 177 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 2 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: IP route cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 2, 16384 bytes) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: TCP established hash table entries: 16384 (order: 6, 327680 bytes) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: TCP bind hash table entries: 8192 (order: 5, 163840 bytes) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: TCP: Hash tables configured (established 16384 bind 8192) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: TCP reno registered Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Simple Boot Flag at 0x36 set to 0x1 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16ac) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: apm: disabled - APM is not SMP safe. Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: audit(1174156191.647:1): initialized Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Total HugeTLB memory allocated, 0 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Dquot-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order 0, 4096 bytes) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: SELinux: Registering netfilter hooks Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Initializing Cryptographic API Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: ksign: Installing public key data Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: Loading keyring Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: - Added public key 481F17AAEB289250 Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: - User ID: Red Hat, Inc. (Kernel Module GPG key) Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: io scheduler noop registered Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: io scheduler anticipatory registered Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: io scheduler deadline registered Mar 17 18:30:45 localhost kernel: io scheduler cfq registered (default) Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ACPI: CPU0 (power states: C1[C1] C3[C3]) Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ACPI: Processor [CPU0] (supports 8 throttling states) Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ACPI: Invalid PBLK length [0] Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ACPI: Thermal Zone [THRM] (67 C) Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: isapnp: No Plug & Play device found Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: Real Time Clock Driver v1.12ac Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: Non-volatile memory driver v1.2 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: Linux agpgart interface v0.101 (c) Dave Jones Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: agpgart: Detected an Intel 865 Chipset. Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xd8000000 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: serial8250: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a NS16550A Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.6[B] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 177 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 16384K size 4096 blocksize Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ICH5: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:1f.1 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: PCI: Enabling device 0000:00:1f.1 (0005 -> 0007) Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.1[A] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 185 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ICH5: chipset revision 2 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ICH5: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ide0: BM-DMA at 0x2040-0x2047, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ide1: BM-DMA at 0x2048-0x204f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost hcid[2254]: Bluetooth HCI daemon Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: hda: FUJITSU MHT2060AH, ATA DISK drive Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: hdc: HL-DT-ST DVD+RW GCA-4040N, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: hda: max request size: 128KiB Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: hda: 117210240 sectors (60011 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(100) Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: hda: cache flushes supported Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ide-floppy driver 0.99.newide Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: Yenta: CardBus bridge found at 0000:02:01.0 [103c:006a] Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: Yenta: Using CSCINT to route CSC interrupts to PCI Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: Yenta: Routing CardBus interrupts to PCI Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: Yenta TI: socket 0000:02:01.0, mfunc 0x00221c02, devctl 0x44 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: Yenta: ISA IRQ mask 0x0cf8, PCI irq 177 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: Socket status: 30000006 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: Yenta: Raising subordinate bus# of parent bus (#02) from #02 to #06 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: pcmcia: parent PCI bridge I/O window: 0x3000 - 0x3fff Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x3000-0x3fff: clean. Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: pcmcia: parent PCI bridge Memory window: 0xd2000000 - 0xd23fffff Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost sdpd[2259]: Bluetooth SDP daemon Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: pcmcia: parent PCI bridge Memory window: 0x30000000 - 0x31ffffff Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: usbcore: registered new driver libusual Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: usbcore: registered new driver hiddev Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usbhid Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:KBC0,PNP0f13:MSE0] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1,12 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: md: md driver 0.90.3 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: md: bitmap version 4.39 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: TCP bic registered Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: Initializing IPsec netlink socket Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 1 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 17 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: Using IPI No-Shortcut mode Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ACPI: (supports S0 S3 S4 S5) Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: Time: tsc clocksource has been installed. Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: Freeing unused kernel memory: 244k freed Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: Write protecting the kernel read-only data: 383k Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input0 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: device-mapper: ioctl: 4.7.0-ioctl (2006-06-24) initialised: dm-devel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem. Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: EXT3-fs: write access will be enabled during recovery. Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: Synaptics Touchpad, model: 1, fw: 5.9, id: 0x236eb1, caps: 0xa04711/0xa Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as /class/input/input1 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: EXT3-fs: dm-0: orphan cleanup on readonly fs Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: EXT3-fs: dm-0: 1 orphan inode deleted Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: EXT3-fs: recovery complete. Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: audit(1174156197.312:2): enforcing=1 old_enforcing=0 auid=4294967295 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: security: 3 users, 6 roles, 1481 types, 152 bools, 1 sens, 256 cats Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: security: 58 classes, 43474 rules Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: Completing initialization. Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: Setting up existing superblocks. Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev dm-0, type ext3), uses xattr Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev tmpfs, type tmpfs), uses transition SIDs Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev debugfs, type debugfs), uses genfs_contexts Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev selinuxfs, type selinuxfs), uses genfs_contexts Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev mqueue, type mqueue), uses transition SIDs Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev hugetlbfs, type hugetlbfs), uses genfs_contexts Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev devpts, type devpts), uses transition SIDs Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev eventpollfs, type eventpollfs), uses task SIDs Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev inotifyfs, type inotifyfs), uses genfs_contexts Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev tmpfs, type tmpfs), uses transition SIDs Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev futexfs, type futexfs), uses genfs_contexts Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev pipefs, type pipefs), uses task SIDs Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev sockfs, type sockfs), uses task SIDs Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev cpuset, type cpuset), not configured for labeling Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev proc, type proc), uses genfs_contexts Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev bdev, type bdev), uses genfs_contexts Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev rootfs, type rootfs), uses genfs_contexts Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev sysfs, type sysfs), uses genfs_contexts Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: audit(1174156197.737:3): policy loaded auid=4294967295 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev usbfs, type usbfs), uses genfs_contexts Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: intel_rng: FWH not detected Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v3.0 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1d.0[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 193 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: UHCI Host Controller Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: irq 193, io base 0x00001cc0 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: usb usb1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: 2 ports detected Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: input: PC Speaker as /class/input/input2 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1d.1[B] -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 201 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: UHCI Host Controller Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: irq 201, io base 0x00001ce0 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: usb usb2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: hub 2-0:1.0: 2 ports detected Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1d.2[C] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 185 Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost hidd[2318]: Bluetooth HID daemon Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: UHCI Host Controller Mar 17 18:30:46 localhost kernel: uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: irq 185, io base 0x00002000 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: usb usb3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: hub 3-0:1.0: 2 ports detected Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: hdc: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, DMA Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.27 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1d.7[D] -> GSI 23 (level, low) -> IRQ 209 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: EHCI Host Controller Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: debug port 1 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: irq 209, io mem 0xd0000000 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: USB 2.0 started, EHCI 1.00, driver 10 Dec 2004 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: usb usb4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: hub 4-0:1.0: USB hub found Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: hub 4-0:1.0: 6 ports detected Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:00.0[A] -> GSI 20 (level, low) -> IRQ 217 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xe083c800, 00:c0:9f:33:8d:b8, IRQ 217 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x100-0x3af: excluding 0x378-0x37f Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x3e0-0x4ff: excluding 0x4d0-0x4d7 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x820-0x8ff: clean. Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: cs: IO port probe 0xc00-0xcf7: clean. Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: cs: IO port probe 0xa00-0xaff: clean. Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:02.0[A] -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 201 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ohci1394: fw-host0: OHCI-1394 1.1 (PCI): IRQ=[201] MMIO=[d2007000-d20077ff] Max Packet=[2048] IR/IT contexts=[4/8] Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: 8139cp: 10/100 PCI Ethernet driver v1.2 (Mar 22, 2004) Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ieee80211: 802.11 data/management/control stack, git-1.1.13 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ieee80211: Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Intel Corporation Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 193 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module 1.0-8776 Mon Oct 16 21:56:04 PDT 2006 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: bcm43xx driver Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:03.0[A] -> GSI 21 (level, low) -> IRQ 225 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: Chip ID 0x4306, rev 0x2 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: Number of cores: 6 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: Core 0: ID 0x800, rev 0x2, vendor 0x4243, enabled Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: Core 1: ID 0x812, rev 0x4, vendor 0x4243, disabled Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: Core 2: ID 0x80d, rev 0x1, vendor 0x4243, enabled Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: Core 3: ID 0x807, rev 0x1, vendor 0x4243, disabled Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: Core 4: ID 0x804, rev 0x7, vendor 0x4243, enabled Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: Core 5: ID 0x812, rev 0x4, vendor 0x4243, disabled Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: Ignoring additional 802.11 core. Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: PHY connected Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: Detected PHY: Version: 1, Type 2, Revision 1 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: Detected Radio: ID: 2205017f (Manuf: 17f Ver: 2050 Rev: 2) Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: Radio turned off Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: Radio turned off Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.5[B] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 177 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 51038 usecs Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: intel8x0: clocking to 48000 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.6[B] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 177 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: MC'97 0 converters and GPIO not ready (0x1) Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: floppy0: no floppy controllers found Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: parport: PnPBIOS parport detected. Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP,TRISTATE] Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven). Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: lp0: console ready Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev ramfs, type ramfs), uses genfs_contexts Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 10 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: agpgart: Found an AGP 3.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0. Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: agpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 8x mode Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: agpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 8x mode Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ACPI: AC Adapter [ACAD] (on-line) Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT1] (battery present) Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF] Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ACPI: Sleep Button (CM) [SBTN] Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ACPI: Lid Switch [LID] Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ibm_acpi: ec object not found Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ACPI: Video Device [VGA] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no) Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: md: Autodetecting RAID arrays. Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: md: autorun ... Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: md: ... autorun DONE. Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: EXT3 FS on dm-0, internal journal Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: EXT3 FS on hda2, internal journal Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev hda2, type ext3), uses xattr Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev tmpfs, type tmpfs), uses transition SIDs Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: Adding 1048568k swap on /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:1048568k Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev binfmt_misc, type binfmt_misc), uses genfs_contexts Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost smartd[2419]: smartd version 5.36 [i686-redhat-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce Allen Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: Netfilter messages via NETLINK v0.30. Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost smartd[2419]: Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ip_conntrack version 2.4 (4091 buckets, 32728 max) - 228 bytes per conntrack Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost smartd[2419]: Opened configuration file /etc/smartd.conf Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: eth0: link down Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost smartd[2419]: Configuration file /etc/smartd.conf parsed. Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost smartd[2419]: Device: /dev/hda, opened Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: SoftMAC: ASSERTION FAILED (0) at: net/ieee80211/softmac/ieee80211softmac_wx.c:306:ieee80211softmac_wx_get_rate() Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: SoftMAC: empty ratesinfo? Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost smartd[2419]: Device: /dev/hda, found in smartd database. Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: SoftMAC: empty ratesinfo? Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: set security called, .level = 0, .enabled = 0, .encrypt = 0 Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost smartd[2419]: Device: /dev/hda, is SMART capable. Adding to "monitor" list. Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: SoftMAC: Associate: Scanning for networks first. Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost smartd[2419]: Monitoring 1 ATA and 0 SCSI devices Mar 17 18:30:47 localhost kernel: SoftMAC: Associate: failed to initiate scan. Is device up? Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: PHY connected Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost smartd[2421]: smartd has fork()ed into background mode. New PID=2421. Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: PHY disconnected Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: PHY connected Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: Microcode rev 0x127, pl 0xe (2005-04-18 02:36:27) Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: Radio turned on Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: Chip initialized Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: 32-bit DMA initialized Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: TODO: Incomplete code in keymac_write() at drivers/net/wireless/bcm43xx/bcm43xx_main.c:1128 Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost last message repeated 7 times Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: TODO: Incomplete code in keymac_write() at drivers/net/wireless/bcm43xx/bcm43xx_main.c:1130 Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost last message repeated 3 times Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: Keys cleared Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: Selected 802.11 core (phytype 2) Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: SoftMAC: Associate: Scanning for networks first. Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: SoftMAC: Start scanning with channel: 1 Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: SoftMAC: Scanning 14 channels Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: SoftMAC: Scanning finished Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: SoftMAC: Queueing Authentication Request to 00:06:25:da:bc:61 Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: SoftMAC: Cannot associate without being authenticated, requested authentication Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: SoftMAC: Already requested authentication, waiting... Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: SoftMAC: Sent Authentication Request to 00:06:25:da:bc:61. Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: SoftMAC: Open Authentication completed with 00:06:25:da:bc:61 Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: SoftMAC: sent association request! Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: SoftMAC: associated! Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev rpc_pipefs, type rpc_pipefs), uses genfs_contexts Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: Bluetooth: Core ver 2.10 Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 31 Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost hpiod: 1.6.6a accepting connections at 50000... Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.8 Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.8 Mar 17 18:30:48 localhost kernel: Bluetooth: HIDP (Human Interface Emulation) ver 1.1 Mar 17 18:30:49 localhost kernel: SELinux: initialized (dev autofs, type autofs), uses genfs_contexts Mar 17 18:30:51 localhost gpm[2505]: *** info [startup.c(95)]: Mar 17 18:30:51 localhost gpm[2505]: Started gpm successfully. Entered daemon mode. Mar 17 18:30:53 localhost avahi-daemon[2751]: Found user 'avahi' (UID 70) and group 'avahi' (GID 70). Mar 17 18:30:53 localhost avahi-daemon[2751]: Successfully dropped root privileges. Mar 17 18:30:53 localhost avahi-daemon[2751]: avahi-daemon 0.6.11 starting up. Mar 17 18:30:53 localhost avahi-daemon[2751]: WARNING: No NSS support for mDNS detected, consider installing nss-mdns! Mar 17 18:30:53 localhost avahi-daemon[2751]: Successfully called chroot(). Mar 17 18:30:53 localhost avahi-daemon[2751]: Successfully dropped remaining capabilities. Mar 17 18:30:53 localhost avahi-daemon[2751]: No service found in /etc/avahi/services. Mar 17 18:30:53 localhost avahi-daemon[2751]: New relevant interface wlan0.IPv6 for mDNS. Mar 17 18:30:53 localhost avahi-daemon[2751]: Joining mDNS multicast group on interface wlan0.IPv6 with address fe80::290:4bff:fe49:9671. Mar 17 18:30:53 localhost avahi-daemon[2751]: New relevant interface wlan0.IPv4 for mDNS. Mar 17 18:30:53 localhost avahi-daemon[2751]: Joining mDNS multicast group on interface wlan0.IPv4 with address 192.168.1.138. Mar 17 18:30:53 localhost avahi-daemon[2751]: Network interface enumeration completed. Mar 17 18:30:53 localhost avahi-daemon[2751]: Registering new address record for fe80::290:4bff:fe49:9671 on wlan0. Mar 17 18:30:53 localhost avahi-daemon[2751]: Registering new address record for 192.168.1.138 on wlan0. Mar 17 18:30:53 localhost avahi-daemon[2751]: Registering HINFO record with values 'I686'/'LINUX'. Mar 17 18:30:54 localhost avahi-daemon[2751]: Server startup complete. Host name is localhost.local. Local service cookie is 505833324. Mar 17 18:30:56 localhost kernel: cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! Mar 17 18:31:13 localhost ainit: Mar 17 18:31:13 localhost ainit: Mar 17 18:31:13 localhost gconfd (jim-3020): starting (version 2.14.0), pid 3020 user 'jim' Mar 17 18:31:13 localhost gconfd (jim-3020): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only configuration source at position 0 Mar 17 18:31:13 localhost gconfd (jim-3020): Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/home/jim/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 1 Mar 17 18:31:13 localhost gconfd (jim-3020): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only configuration source at position 2 Mar 17 18:31:16 localhost gconfd (jim-3020): Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/home/jim/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 0 Mar 17 18:31:18 localhost kernel: synaptics: using relaxed packet validation Mar 17 18:31:59 localhost gconfd (root-3158): starting (version 2.14.0), pid 3158 user 'root' Mar 17 18:31:59 localhost gconfd (root-3158): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only configuration source at position 0 Mar 17 18:31:59 localhost gconfd (root-3158): Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/root/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 1 Mar 17 18:31:59 localhost gconfd (root-3158): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only configuration source at position 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 00:27:28 2007 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:27:28 -0400 Subject: computer freezing In-Reply-To: <1174172048.3190.12.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1174172048.3190.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <92ee967a0703171727na85094fo92651f457ea34c2a@mail.gmail.com> On 3/17/07, jim ruxton wrote: > Hi I'm wondering if anyone can help me figure out why my laptop keeps > freezing. I'm running FC5. The freezing is intermittent but seems to be > happening more often (or I'm getting less impatient) . I can't seem to > find a pattern to it for example when using specific programs. If I am > doing nothng and just let it run it will often freeze. I did a RAM test > and that seems ok. Is it possible the Kernel is corrupted somehow? Below > is my /var/log/messages . Only way I can interact with the system is > with altSysRQ commands. This is really frustrating. Anyone have any > ideas what I can try. When it freezes I can't even SSH into it so I > don't think it is a problem with X windows. > jim Just a thought, do you have an ATI video card? I like to blame them :-) -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 01:14:01 2007 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:14:01 -0400 Subject: computer freezing In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0703171727na85094fo92651f457ea34c2a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1174172048.3190.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <92ee967a0703171727na85094fo92651f457ea34c2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1174180441.3190.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks Mike, no nvidia. jim > On 3/17/07, jim ruxton wrote: > > Hi I'm wondering if anyone can help me figure out why my laptop keeps > > freezing. I'm running FC5. The freezing is intermittent but seems to be > > happening more often (or I'm getting less impatient) . I can't seem to > > find a pattern to it for example when using specific programs. If I am > > doing nothng and just let it run it will often freeze. I did a RAM test > > and that seems ok. Is it possible the Kernel is corrupted somehow? Below > > is my /var/log/messages . Only way I can interact with the system is > > with altSysRQ commands. This is really frustrating. Anyone have any > > ideas what I can try. When it freezes I can't even SSH into it so I > > don't think it is a problem with X windows. > > jim > > Just a thought, do you have an ATI video card? > > I like to blame them :-) > > -Mike > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 01:30:19 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:30:19 -0400 Subject: computer freezing In-Reply-To: <1174180441.3190.17.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1174172048.3190.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <92ee967a0703171727na85094fo92651f457ea34c2a@mail.gmail.com> <1174180441.3190.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200703172130.19935.softquake@gmail.com> On Saturday 17 March 2007 21:14, jim ruxton wrote: > Thanks Mike, no nvidia. Buy or make another computer. zb. > jim > > > On 3/17/07, jim ruxton wrote: > > > Hi I'm wondering if anyone can help me figure out why my laptop keeps > > > freezing. I'm running FC5. The freezing is intermittent but seems to be > > > happening more often (or I'm getting less impatient) . I can't seem to > > > find a pattern to it for example when using specific programs. If I am > > > doing nothng and just let it run it will often freeze. I did a RAM test > > > and that seems ok. Is it possible the Kernel is corrupted somehow? > > > Below is my /var/log/messages . Only way I can interact with the system > > > is with altSysRQ commands. This is really frustrating. Anyone have any > > > ideas what I can try. When it freezes I can't even SSH into it so I > > > don't think it is a problem with X windows. > > > jim > > > > Just a thought, do you have an ATI video card? > > > > I like to blame them :-) > > > > -Mike > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 01:44:14 2007 From: right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org (Amos H. Weatherill) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:44:14 -0400 Subject: computer freezing In-Reply-To: <1174180441.3190.17.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1174180441.3190.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of jim ruxton Sent: March 17, 2007 9:14 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: computer freezing Thanks Mike, no nvidia. jim > On 3/17/07, jim ruxton wrote: > > Hi I'm wondering if anyone can help me figure out why my laptop keeps > > freezing. I'm running FC5. The freezing is intermittent but seems to be > > happening more often (or I'm getting less impatient) . I can't seem to > > find a pattern to it for example when using specific programs. If I am > > doing nothng and just let it run it will often freeze. I did a RAM test > > and that seems ok. Is it possible the Kernel is corrupted somehow? Below > > is my /var/log/messages . Only way I can interact with the system is > > with altSysRQ commands. This is really frustrating. Anyone have any > > ideas what I can try. When it freezes I can't even SSH into it so I > > don't think it is a problem with X windows. > > jim > > Just a thought, do you have an ATI video card? > > I like to blame them :-) > > -Mike > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Do you happen to have a system based on an VIA Chipset? I have a client system here that is displaying behaviour very similar to what you describe. My clients system is running Windows XP (ugh, I know), however the problem seems to be an infinite loop that occurs when the system is trying to read or write the Shared Memory Region that is being used as video memory. Incidentally, I would be interested is hearing from anyone on the list who has experienced this problem, either under Linux or Windows. If people feel that this is off-topic, I can be reached at 'right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org' If you mail me off list please make the subject 'infinite loop video problems' so that I don't accidentally delete your messages. Thanks in advance to any who reply either on list or off. Signed. Amos H. Weatherill -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 02:29:09 2007 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:29:09 -0400 Subject: computer freezing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1174184949.3190.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 21:44 -0400, Amos H. Weatherill wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of jim > ruxton > Sent: March 17, 2007 9:14 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: computer freezing > > > Thanks Mike, no nvidia. > jim > > On 3/17/07, jim ruxton wrote: > > > Hi I'm wondering if anyone can help me figure out why my laptop keeps > > > freezing. I'm running FC5. The freezing is intermittent but seems to be > > > happening more often (or I'm getting less impatient) . I can't seem to > > > find a pattern to it for example when using specific programs. If I am > > > doing nothng and just let it run it will often freeze. I did a RAM test > > > and that seems ok. Is it possible the Kernel is corrupted somehow? Below > > > is my /var/log/messages . Only way I can interact with the system is > > > with altSysRQ commands. This is really frustrating. Anyone have any > > > ideas what I can try. When it freezes I can't even SSH into it so I > > > don't think it is a problem with X windows. > > > jim > > > > Just a thought, do you have an ATI video card? > > > > I like to blame them :-) > > > > -Mike > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > Do you happen to have a system based on an VIA Chipset? No it is an Nvidia card. jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 03:55:02 2007 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:55:02 -0500 Subject: I think that Goolge won In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Feh. Shakespeare provides the answers. From http://shakespeare.mit.edu/macbeth/macbeth.5.5.html : ... Out, out, brief candle! > Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player > That struts and frets his hour upon the stage > And then is heard no more: it is a tale > Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, > Signifying nothing. (From The Tragedy of Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 5) -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 03:58:31 2007 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 23:58:31 -0400 Subject: computer freezing In-Reply-To: <1174172048.3190.12.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1174172048.3190.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, jim ruxton wrote: > Hi I'm wondering if anyone can help me figure out why my laptop keeps > freezing. I'm running FC5. The freezing is intermittent but seems to be > happening more often (or I'm getting less impatient) . I can't seem to > find a pattern to it for example when using specific programs. If I am > doing nothng and just let it run it will often freeze. I did a RAM test > and that seems ok. Is it possible the Kernel is corrupted somehow? Below > is my /var/log/messages . Only way I can interact with the system is > with altSysRQ commands. This is really frustrating. Anyone have any > ideas what I can try. When it freezes I can't even SSH into it so I > don't think it is a problem with X windows. > jim I had some trouble with an old thinkpad T21 that used to freeze intermittently. It turned out to be related to the S3 savage card. I found the problem at addressed here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/25/2004/08/4/221188 If you think this relates at all to your problem (probably it doesn't), I can pull up some old notes I took on it. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 05:21:33 2007 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 01:21:33 -0400 Subject: computer freezing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1174195293.3453.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 23:58 -0400, Alex Maynard wrote: > On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, jim ruxton wrote: > > > Hi I'm wondering if anyone can help me figure out why my laptop keeps > > freezing. I'm running FC5. The freezing is intermittent but seems to be > > happening more often (or I'm getting less impatient) . I can't seem to > > find a pattern to it for example when using specific programs. If I am > > doing nothng and just let it run it will often freeze. I did a RAM test > > and that seems ok. Is it possible the Kernel is corrupted somehow? Below > > is my /var/log/messages . Only way I can interact with the system is > > with altSysRQ commands. This is really frustrating. Anyone have any > > ideas what I can try. When it freezes I can't even SSH into it so I > > don't think it is a problem with X windows. > > jim > > > I had some trouble with an old thinkpad T21 that used to freeze > intermittently. It turned out to be related to the S3 savage card. > I found the problem at addressed here: > http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/25/2004/08/4/221188 > If you think this relates at all to your problem (probably it doesn't), > I can pull up some old notes I took on it. Thanks Alex, I have a nvidia card so probably not this. I'm going to try KDE for a while as opposed to Gnome and see if that makes a difference. Jim > > Alex > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 13:20:42 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:20:42 -0400 Subject: computer freezing In-Reply-To: <1174195293.3453.0.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1174195293.3453.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 3/18/07, jim ruxton wrote: > Thanks Alex, I have a nvidia card so probably not this. I'm going to try > KDE for a while as opposed to Gnome and see if that makes a difference. What is unfortunate is that that might well appear to "help," although it would essentially involve masking the true problem. It's more than likely that the root problem lies in some interaction between the driver for your X server and the graphics card. That would be the classic reason for a system lockup. But it is also simultaneously possible that the problem is only exposed by certain X rendering operations, and that the problem will be more likely to be "tickled" by some applications than by others. In fact, I had much this problem, back in the earliest days of the nVidia "GeForce" cards; I wound up deactivating all of the OpenGL screensavers because there was a propensity for the graphics card to get deranged, locking the whole system, when processing OpenGL requests. The card wound up frying itself, eventually, so the proper answer was ultimately replacement. But I did cut down on crashes by a reconfiguration of xscreensaver... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 13:58:51 2007 From: slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slackrat) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:58:51 +0100 Subject: Getting sound to work in Slackware In-Reply-To: <61875.67.68.44.117.1174152384.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0lrcv4dJfSQg@public.gmane.org> (sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI@public.gmane.org's message of "Sat\, 17 Mar 2007 12\:26\:24 -0500 \(EST\)") References: <61875.67.68.44.117.1174152384.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> Message-ID: <87ps76irfo.fsf@azurservers.com> * sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org a ?crit > Again, if anyone can refer me to appropriate reading material would be > appreciated. I have gone through the Sound-HOWTO, and: > > 1. there is no plug-and-play on my system (according to isapnp) > 2. the kernel modules for sound are present (seems like more modules than > I expected) - listed below > 3. the default device files are all there and appear to be OK > 4. I have configured ALSA (alsamixer), and it seems to load OK (no errors) > 5. When I play an mp3 file, I get a repeating message > "ALSA: underrun, at least 0ms." > and no sound. > 6. None of the system sounds work either, even though it is enabled. > > If anyone can help. For what it is worth, the output of lsmod appears below. > I must remark on an unusual number of sound modules from what I am used to > seeing in other distros. > Your problem seems a tad strange On a relatively recent slack install, all that is needed is alsaconf alsamixer alsactl store No need to do the /dev/dsp boogie like we used to do I use aumixer personally for sound levels, etc, but almost any should work without problem And for sound on Youtube: aoss opera aoss firefox I dunno about other browsers because I never use them -- Regards, Slackrat [Bill Henderson] [No _4Q_ for direct email] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 14:50:02 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:50:02 -0400 Subject: editing AVI In-Reply-To: References: <1174195293.3453.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200703181050.03018.softquake@gmail.com> This is largely not list subject. I have a great, really great, outstanding movie about Russian war in Afganistan. It is in Russian. I would like to share it with others. Is there a way to add subtitles? English translation? How? zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 15:02:19 2007 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:02:19 -0400 Subject: editing AVI In-Reply-To: <200703181050.03018.softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <1174195293.3453.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200703181050.03018.softquake@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070318110219.08128d8e@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Zbigniew Koziol descended, with this inscribed on tablets: > This is largely not list subject. > > I have a great, really great, outstanding movie about Russian war in > Afganistan. It is in Russian. I would like to share it with others. > > Is there a way to add subtitles? English translation? How? If there are no subtitles already in the video, or no subtitle files provided with it (.sub, etc.), no. I don't think there is any application that can automatically translate the language in a video ;-) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Leela: Bender, maybe you can interface with the Femputer and reprogram it to let them go. Bender: Maybe you can interface with my ass... by biting it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 15:11:06 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:11:06 -0400 Subject: editing AVI In-Reply-To: <20070318110219.08128d8e-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <200703181050.03018.softquake@gmail.com> <20070318110219.08128d8e@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <200703181111.06258.softquake@gmail.com> On Sunday 18 March 2007 11:02, JoeHill wrote: > Zbigniew Koziol descended, with this inscribed on tablets: > > This is largely not list subject. > > > > I have a great, really great, outstanding movie about Russian war in > > Afganistan. It is in Russian. I would like to share it with others. > > > > Is there a way to add subtitles? English translation? How? > > If there are no subtitles already in the video, or no subtitle files > provided with it (.sub, etc.), no. I don't think there is any application > that can automatically translate the language in a video ;-) There are no subtitles or any additional files. I got it through aMule (p2p). I thought that still there may be a way to add text on screen. It is sad that that our (Canadian) world is so isolated in culture. Russians now are not communist anymore (though they remain different). I am not Russian but I know Russian. Even many my Polish friends do not understand Russian. They would though English. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kru_tch-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 15:29:55 2007 From: kru_tch-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Stephen Allen) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:29:55 -0400 Subject: editing AVI In-Reply-To: <200703181111.06258.softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200703181050.03018.softquake@gmail.com> <20070318110219.08128d8e@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <200703181111.06258.softquake@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45FD5AF3.8070004@yahoo.ca> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > On Sunday 18 March 2007 11:02, JoeHill wrote: >> Zbigniew Koziol descended, with this inscribed on tablets: >>> This is largely not list subject. >>> >>> I have a great, really great, outstanding movie about Russian war in >>> Afganistan. It is in Russian. I would like to share it with others. >>> >>> Is there a way to add subtitles? English translation? How? >> If there are no subtitles already in the video, or no subtitle files >> provided with it (.sub, etc.), no. I don't think there is any application >> that can automatically translate the language in a video ;-) > > There are no subtitles or any additional files. I got it through aMule (p2p). > I thought that still there may be a way to add text on screen. Well you could over dub it yourself ... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 15:37:18 2007 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:37:18 -0400 Subject: editing AVI In-Reply-To: <200703181111.06258.softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200703181050.03018.softquake@gmail.com> <20070318110219.08128d8e@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <200703181111.06258.softquake@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070318113718.49d9762a@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Zbigniew Koziol descended, with this inscribed on tablets: > On Sunday 18 March 2007 11:02, JoeHill wrote: > > Zbigniew Koziol descended, with this inscribed on tablets: > > > This is largely not list subject. > > > > > > I have a great, really great, outstanding movie about Russian war in > > > Afganistan. It is in Russian. I would like to share it with others. > > > > > > Is there a way to add subtitles? English translation? How? > > > > If there are no subtitles already in the video, or no subtitle files > > provided with it (.sub, etc.), no. I don't think there is any application > > that can automatically translate the language in a video ;-) > > There are no subtitles or any additional files. I got it through aMule (p2p). > I thought that still there may be a way to add text on screen. Well there is, but... if you wanted, and you had the time (a *lot* of it), you could create the sub file yourself, seeing as you know Russian, of course. This would take insane amounts of patience, however. You would need to run the movie in mplayer, with the time display running, and type the translation as you watched, noting the exact time for each display of text, down to the millisecond. You could probably find out the format of the subtitle file via google or something, I don't have one handy right now. What is the name of the movie? I'll check on bittorrent. Many of the movies I find there include subs. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Fry: "Well, thanks to the internet I'm now bored with sex. Is ther a place on the web that panders to my lust for violence?" Bender: "Is the space-pope reptilian?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 16:16:33 2007 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:16:33 -0400 Subject: computer freezing In-Reply-To: References: <1174195293.3453.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1174234593.4614.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-03-18 at 09:20 -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > On 3/18/07, jim ruxton wrote: > > Thanks Alex, I have a nvidia card so probably not this. I'm going to try > > KDE for a while as opposed to Gnome and see if that makes a difference. > > What is unfortunate is that that might well appear to "help," although > it would essentially involve masking the true problem. Yes but it will help me isolate whether I have a serious hardware problem and maybe tell me if gnome is somehow corrupted. > > It's more than likely that the root problem lies in some interaction > between the driver for your X server and the graphics card. That > would be the classic reason for a system lockup. > > But it is also simultaneously possible that the problem is only > exposed by certain X rendering operations, and that the problem will > be more likely to be "tickled" by some applications than by others. > > In fact, I had much this problem, back in the earliest days of the > nVidia "GeForce" cards; I wound up deactivating all of the OpenGL > screensavers because there was a propensity for the graphics card to > get deranged, locking the whole system, when processing OpenGL > requests. The card wound up frying itself, eventually, so the proper > answer was ultimately replacement. But I did cut down on crashes by a > reconfiguration of xscreensaver... Ok thanks I'll try to sink my teeth into this. Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 16:21:31 2007 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:21:31 -0400 Subject: editing AVI In-Reply-To: <200703181050.03018.softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200703181050.03018.softquake@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200703181221.31611.amarjan@pobox.com> On March 18, 2007 10:50:02 am Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > This is largely not list subject. > > I have a great, really great, outstanding movie about Russian war in > Afganistan. It is in Russian. I would like to share it with others. > > Is there a way to add subtitles? English translation? How? > > zb. It's definitely possible, Windows people do it all the time: http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=153058 Here's a Gentoo forum posting about doing something way more elaborate, I presume just adding subtitles would be a much shorter process: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=117709 I just googled "add subtitle to avi linux" and got a ton of results, there's probably a simpler way --- maybe even as simple as throwing the AVI and the appropriate subtitle file at an appropriate video player. I'm Russian-challenged myself, but if you do translate this, I'd love to get a copy! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 17:09:11 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:09:11 -0400 Subject: computer freezing Message-ID: <45FD7237.9020304@rogers.com> Jim Ruxton wrote: > Yes but it will help me isolate whether I have a serious hardware > problem and maybe tell me if gnome is somehow corrupted. Another way of maybe accomplishing the same thing, would be to take the laptop to Linux Cafe and try a few different live distros. When I was searching for a distro that would work well on my Acer Aspire, I found marked differences in the way that X dealt with the various drivers. eg Ubuntu 6.06 would not deliver the proper resolution (not even close), but Mepis 6 ( a Ubuntu clone) was spot on. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 17:35:32 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:35:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sound fixed - thanks Message-ID: <62640.67.68.44.117.1174239332.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> Forgot to run "alsaconf". Thanks. What seemed to work best for me is to run aslaconf *after* alsamixer and alsactl. Paul King Slackrat said: > Your problem seems a tad strange > > On a relatively recent slack install, all that is needed is > > alsaconf > > alsamixer > > alsactl store > > No need to do the /dev/dsp boogie like we used to do > > I use aumixer personally for sound levels, etc, but almost any should > work without problem > > And for sound on Youtube: aoss opera > aoss firefox > I dunno about other browsers because I never use them -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 18:17:24 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:17:24 -0400 Subject: I think that Goolge won In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45FD8234.5090504@alteeve.com> Alex Beamish wrote: > Feh. > > Shakespeare provides the answers. From > http://shakespeare.mit.edu/macbeth/macbeth.5.5.html : > > ... Out, out, brief candle! >> Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player >> That struts and frets his hour upon the stage >> And then is heard no more: it is a tale >> Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, >> Signifying nothing. > > > (From The Tragedy of Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 5) > Wow... just, wow. I *love* the Scottish play and had nearly forgotten that line. <- Runs off to dig out her Macbeth script from years gone by; totally ignoring her pleading code. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 19:19:15 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:19:15 -0400 Subject: computer freezing In-Reply-To: <1174234593.4614.27.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1174195293.3453.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1174234593.4614.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 3/18/07, jim ruxton wrote: > On Sun, 2007-03-18 at 09:20 -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > > On 3/18/07, jim ruxton wrote: > > > Thanks Alex, I have a nvidia card so probably not this. I'm going to try > > > KDE for a while as opposed to Gnome and see if that makes a difference. > > > > What is unfortunate is that that might well appear to "help," although > > it would essentially involve masking the true problem. > Yes but it will help me isolate whether I have a serious hardware > problem and maybe tell me if gnome is somehow corrupted. The thing is, we already can control for that. GNOME lives purely as libraries and applications in user space. It has no way to access hardware in "evil ways." The only way for it to "crash" your machine is if it is tickling some bug in either: a) Your X server b) Your audio drivers Aside from that, it *can't*. And we know that very well because GNOME (and KDE for that matter) absolutely need NOT to directly control hardware or system memory because they are expected to run portably on multiple operating systems. If you seriously think that changing from GNOME to KDE will do anything about this problem, then I suspect you're better off Googling for specific problem reports by someone with your hardware combination than anything else. If you don't understand that these components being user applications rules them out as possible causes, then the best you can do on your own is a very trial and error-oriented approach where you can't realistically expect to actually find the problem. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 20:58:39 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:58:39 -0400 Subject: ThinkPad batteries Message-ID: <45FDA7FF.1090209@rogers.com> A while ago, someone mentioned a good place in Toronto for buying or refurbishing ThinkPad batteries. Does anyone recall where that was? tnx jk -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 21:06:23 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:06:23 -0400 Subject: ThinkPad batteries In-Reply-To: <45FDA7FF.1090209-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <45FDA7FF.1090209@rogers.com> Message-ID: <45FDA9CF.3030406@alteeve.com> James Knott wrote: > A while ago, someone mentioned a good place in Toronto for buying or > refurbishing ThinkPad batteries. Does anyone recall where that was? > > tnx jk 'Twas me; http://store.247computersale.com/index.php?cPath=21 I've had they're knock-off a22m battery (6.6Ah! @ $100) for about a year now and it's still holding it's charge well... Given that the highest amp from IBM was 5.4Ah (my lappy came with a 3.6Ah) it's a nice change. They aren't good at returning calls though, so follow up if needed. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 21:13:39 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:13:39 -0400 Subject: ThinkPad batteries In-Reply-To: <45FDA9CF.3030406-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45FDA7FF.1090209@rogers.com> <45FDA9CF.3030406@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <45FDAB83.4070908@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > James Knott wrote: >> A while ago, someone mentioned a good place in Toronto for buying or >> refurbishing ThinkPad batteries. Does anyone recall where that was? >> >> tnx jk > > 'Twas me; > http://store.247computersale.com/index.php?cPath=21 > > I've had they're knock-off a22m battery (6.6Ah! @ $100) for about a > year now and it's still holding it's charge well... Given that the > highest amp from IBM was 5.4Ah (my lappy came with a 3.6Ah) it's a > nice change. > > They aren't good at returning calls though, so follow up if needed. > They also don't seem to list my R31. :-( tnx -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 21:47:19 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:47:19 -0400 Subject: ThinkPad batteries In-Reply-To: <45FDAB83.4070908-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <45FDA7FF.1090209@rogers.com> <45FDA9CF.3030406@alteeve.com> <45FDAB83.4070908@rogers.com> Message-ID: <45FDB367.1040709@alteeve.com> James Knott wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: >> James Knott wrote: >>> A while ago, someone mentioned a good place in Toronto for buying or >>> refurbishing ThinkPad batteries. Does anyone recall where that was? >>> >>> tnx jk >> 'Twas me; >> http://store.247computersale.com/index.php?cPath=21 >> >> I've had they're knock-off a22m battery (6.6Ah! @ $100) for about a >> year now and it's still holding it's charge well... Given that the >> highest amp from IBM was 5.4Ah (my lappy came with a 3.6Ah) it's a >> nice change. >> >> They aren't good at returning calls though, so follow up if needed. >> > > They also don't seem to list my R31. :-( > > tnx Give 'em a ring, I don't think they keep their site up to date. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 22:05:42 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:05:42 -0400 Subject: ThinkPad batteries In-Reply-To: <45FDB367.1040709-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45FDA7FF.1090209@rogers.com> <45FDA9CF.3030406@alteeve.com> <45FDAB83.4070908@rogers.com> <45FDB367.1040709@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <45FDB7B6.1050904@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > James Knott wrote: >> Madison Kelly wrote: >>> James Knott wrote: >>>> A while ago, someone mentioned a good place in Toronto for buying or >>>> refurbishing ThinkPad batteries. Does anyone recall where that was? >>>> >>>> tnx jk >>> 'Twas me; >>> http://store.247computersale.com/index.php?cPath=21 >>> >>> I've had they're knock-off a22m battery (6.6Ah! @ $100) for about a >>> year now and it's still holding it's charge well... Given that the >>> highest amp from IBM was 5.4Ah (my lappy came with a 3.6Ah) it's a >>> nice change. >>> >>> They aren't good at returning calls though, so follow up if needed. >>> >> >> They also don't seem to list my R31. :-( >> >> tnx > > Give 'em a ring, I don't think they keep their site up to date. > I've already sent them an email. I'll have to see what happens. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 22:35:24 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:35:24 -0400 Subject: Subversion question Message-ID: <45FDBEAC.8000700@alteeve.com> Hi all, Does anyone know if there is a way to have svn automatically add new directories and files when checking in to a repository? I've got a project that has a lot of files being added to it on a regular basis and it's troublesome to do it manually. :p Thanks! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 18 22:41:43 2007 From: phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org (phil) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:41:43 -0400 Subject: Subversion question In-Reply-To: <45FDBEAC.8000700-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45FDBEAC.8000700@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <67A190CB-64FC-438D-A270-8BC95501AB94@millsgarthson.ca> On Mar 18, 2007, at 6:35 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Does anyone know if there is a way to have svn automatically add > new directories and files when checking in to a repository? I don't know whether it can be done directly, but some IDEs make it transparent. I'm using NetBeans at work and its svn integration takes care of it. (I used KDevelop with svn for awhile, but I can't remember whether it does that too.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 02:08:36 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:08:36 -0400 Subject: Subversion question In-Reply-To: <45FDBEAC.8000700-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45FDBEAC.8000700@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <7ac602420703181908k5e4f1c2dxc88e87d53187d60b@mail.gmail.com> On 3/18/07, Madison Kelly wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a way to have svn automatically add new > directories and files when checking in to a repository? > > I've got a project that has a lot of files being added to it on a > regular basis and it's troublesome to do it manually. :p I guess it depends on what you mean by manually, but you can always do this with a fairly simple shell script. I frequently do it like this (in bash): svn add $(svn status | fgrep '?' | awk '{ print $2; }') If you want to add directories without automatically adding all of their descendants, do an svn add -N instead of a plain svn add. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 03:27:24 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 23:27:24 -0400 Subject: daylight savings time issues? In-Reply-To: <1173973020.18061.45.camel@localhost> References: <1173728319.6430.9.camel@localhost> <200703122205.01566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <1173973020.18061.45.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <45FE031C.2080401@utoronto.ca> Matt Price wrote: > first, thanks to both you and walter for the response! > > On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 22:05 -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: ----------snip-------------- >> A few other things related to clock: >> >> - run hwclock, if time is not correct run ntpdate to correct system time and >> then run "hwclock --systohc" >> > I believe Debian runs "hwclock --systohc" when it shuts down. So if know you're shutting your system off then there's a step you can skip. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 06:23:44 2007 From: slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slackrat) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:23:44 +0100 Subject: computer freezing In-Reply-To: <1174172048.3190.12.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> (jim ruxton's message of "Sat\, 17 Mar 2007 18\:54\:08 -0400") References: <1174172048.3190.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <87fy81iwen.fsf@azurservers.com> * jim ruxton a ?crit > Hi I'm wondering if anyone can help me figure out why my laptop keeps > freezing. I'm running FC5. The freezing is intermittent but seems to be > happening more often (or I'm getting less impatient) . I can't seem to > find a pattern to it for example when using specific programs. If I am > doing nothng and just let it run it will often freeze. I did a RAM test > and that seems ok. Is it possible the Kernel is corrupted somehow? Below > is my /var/log/messages . Only way I can interact with the system is > with altSysRQ commands. This is really frustrating. Anyone have any > ideas what I can try. When it freezes I can't even SSH into it so I > don't think it is a problem with X windows. > jim Your problem probably is an X Windows problem And the short answer is that you probably can't do much about it given that you have whatever hardware you have in your laptop so long as you have the right clocks line in xorg.conf and that the X server is otherwise configured correctly. I just switched to xorg 7.1 to try to solve similar problems to yours. Unfortunately 7.1 just crashes and locks up much more frequently and spectacularly, particularly when running xine -- Slackrat [no 4q for direct email] -- "... one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 11:48:02 2007 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:48:02 -0400 Subject: If Microsoft created vi In-Reply-To: <20070317195355.9BE6230965-JcsaL2wEbRNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703171335k67987544y70166c04be141176@mail.gmail.com> <20070317195355.9BE6230965@rock.ss.org> Message-ID: On 17/03/07, R.R. wrote: > Haha, that made my day :) > > Oh, and pico/nano is better IMO. no, not better, simpler. vim, once mastered, is arguably the fastest possible text editing environment, where emacs is perhaps the richest text editing environment. pico and nano are simple less featured, and therefor less confusing. better, and/or worse, are entirely subjective. djp -- djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org www.linuxcaffe.ca geek chic and caffe cachet 326 Harbord Street, Toronto, M6G 3A5, (416) 534-2116 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 13:54:29 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:54:29 -0400 Subject: If Microsoft created vi In-Reply-To: References: <1e55af990703171335k67987544y70166c04be141176@mail.gmail.com> <20070317195355.9BE6230965@rock.ss.org> Message-ID: <45FE9615.4010908@rogers.com> David J Patrick wrote: > On 17/03/07, R.R. wrote: >> Haha, that made my day :) >> >> Oh, and pico/nano is better IMO. > > no, not better, simpler. > vim, once mastered, is arguably the fastest possible text editing > environment, where emacs is perhaps the richest text editing > environment. pico and nano are simple less featured, and therefor less > confusing. > > better, and/or worse, are entirely subjective. > djp > Emacs is a text editor too??? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 14:30:21 2007 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John M. Moniz) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:30:21 -0500 Subject: Partition Inconsistencies Message-ID: <45FE9E7D.1000209@sympatico.ca> I was at my sister's yesterday increasing the size of the / partition on her Mandriva 2007 box. It was at 99% full. I added a small HD for /home and expanded the extended partition to fill the space vacated by the old /home partition, then expanded the / partition within the extended partition using gparted from the Ubuntu 6.06 live CD. There was an error while expanding the / partition and I thought I'd lost everything in it. I rebooted and it all still came up. I could see the new larger partition in fdisk or gparted, but df showed the same old partition size and a fill of 99%. I tried adding a bunch of programs and the / partition did indeed fill up as per the old size, running out of space and preventing a KDE login. I'm not sure what to do to make the new partition show up properly. I can try to resize it smaller again and back to larger the next time I drop in to her place, but I'll just be grasping at straws. Any ideas what I could do? Thanks, John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 14:51:36 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: If Microsoft created vi References: <1e55af990703171335k67987544y70166c04be141176@mail.gmail.com> <20070317195355.9BE6230965@rock.ss.org> <45FE9615.4010908@rogers.com> Message-ID: James Knott writes: > Emacs is a text editor too??? I wonder why people insist calling the emacs operating system an 'editor' ?! This is becoming somewhat degrading after a while, you know ... ;-) Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 15:53:00 2007 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddymills) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:53:00 -0500 Subject: Partition Inconsistencies In-Reply-To: <45FE9E7D.1000209-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <45FE9E7D.1000209@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <45FEB1DC.3080406@gmail.com> I try and separate data from the OS as much as possible (ie. put all data on servers) That way if a workstation drive fails, just rebuild it again, as the data is on the server. In this case it is not possible, since there is only one computer. I use multiple partitions and put all the user data on one partition. ie /home sounds fine. The idea of spinning multiple drives to keep a filesystem together sounds iffy. John M. Moniz wrote: > I was at my sister's yesterday increasing the size of the / partition > on her Mandriva 2007 box. It was at 99% full. I added a small HD for > /home and expanded the extended partition to fill the space vacated by > the old /home partition, then expanded the / partition within the > extended partition using gparted from the Ubuntu 6.06 live CD. > > There was an error while expanding the / partition and I thought I'd > lost everything in it. I rebooted and it all still came up. I could > see the new larger partition in fdisk or gparted, but df showed the > same old partition size and a fill of 99%. I tried adding a bunch of > programs and the / partition did indeed fill up as per the old size, > running out of space and preventing a KDE login. > > I'm not sure what to do to make the new partition show up properly. I > can try to resize it smaller again and back to larger the next time I > drop in to her place, but I'll just be grasping at straws. Any ideas > what I could do? > > Thanks, > > John. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 15:12:43 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:12:43 -0400 Subject: Partition Inconsistencies In-Reply-To: <45FE9E7D.1000209-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <45FE9E7D.1000209@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <7ac602420703190812v7d8566ffw4112d8e48b071e40@mail.gmail.com> On 3/19/07, John M. Moniz wrote: > There was an error while expanding the / partition and I thought I'd > lost everything in it. I rebooted and it all still came up. I could see > the new larger partition in fdisk or gparted, but df showed the same old > partition size and a fill of 99%. I tried adding a bunch of programs and > the / partition did indeed fill up as per the old size, running out of > space and preventing a KDE login. I'm guessing here, but it sounds to me like the _partition_ has been enlarged, but the file system on the partition has not been enlarged. As far as I know, ReiserFS and ext3 can be enlarged on the fly (ie. with the filesystem mounted) but some (most?) filesystems can only be resized while unmounted. For ReiserFS, the command I think you want is resize_reiserfs, and for ext3 it's resize2fs. If you need to enlarge the filesystem with it unmounted, you'll need some kind of LiveCD or rescue disk to get a running system without mounting /. HTH, Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 16:14:18 2007 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John M. Moniz) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:14:18 -0500 Subject: Partition Inconsistencies In-Reply-To: <7ac602420703190812v7d8566ffw4112d8e48b071e40-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <45FE9E7D.1000209@sympatico.ca> <7ac602420703190812v7d8566ffw4112d8e48b071e40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45FEB6DA.8070504@sympatico.ca> Ian Petersen wrote: > On 3/19/07, John M. Moniz wrote: > >> There was an error while expanding the / partition and I thought I'd >> lost everything in it. I rebooted and it all still came up. I could see >> the new larger partition in fdisk or gparted, but df showed the same old >> partition size and a fill of 99%. I tried adding a bunch of programs and >> the / partition did indeed fill up as per the old size, running out of >> space and preventing a KDE login. > > > I'm guessing here, but it sounds to me like the _partition_ has been > enlarged, but the file system on the partition has not been enlarged. > As far as I know, ReiserFS and ext3 can be enlarged on the fly (ie. > with the filesystem mounted) but some (most?) filesystems can only be > resized while unmounted. > > For ReiserFS, the command I think you want is resize_reiserfs, and for > ext3 it's resize2fs. > > If you need to enlarge the filesystem with it unmounted, you'll need > some kind of LiveCD or rescue disk to get a running system without > mounting /. > > HTH, > Ian I did the enlarging of the / partition (ext3) using a live CD and the partition was not mounted. However, there was an error in gparted during the process. Perhaps the error stopped the process before the file system was enlarged. So now how do I enlarge a file system when the partition size has already been changed, without erasing everything in the partition? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 16:17:11 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:17:11 -0400 Subject: Partition Inconsistencies In-Reply-To: <45FEB6DA.8070504-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <45FE9E7D.1000209@sympatico.ca> <7ac602420703190812v7d8566ffw4112d8e48b071e40@mail.gmail.com> <45FEB6DA.8070504@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <7ac602420703190917x7b7775a5oda88ecc4689f2ecc@mail.gmail.com> On 3/19/07, John M. Moniz wrote: > I did the enlarging of the / partition (ext3) using a live CD and the > partition was not mounted. However, there was an error in gparted during > the process. Perhaps the error stopped the process before the file > system was enlarged. So now how do I enlarge a file system when the > partition size has already been changed, without erasing everything in > the partition? First things first: do you have a backup? I've never had trouble resizing a filesystem, but I've only done it a couple of times and I _always_ make a backup first, but I might be paranoid. Assuming you're comfortable with the safety of your data, the tool you need is resize2fs. According to 'man resize2fs', you want something like this: resize2fs So, assuming your / is on /dev/hda1, you want 'resize2fs /dev/hda1'. There is also a size parameter that you can specify after the device, but, according to the man page, if you omit the size parameter, resize2fs will enlarge the filesystem to fill the partition. HTH, Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 16:23:58 2007 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John M. Moniz) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:23:58 -0500 Subject: Partition Inconsistencies In-Reply-To: <45FEB1DC.3080406-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <45FE9E7D.1000209@sympatico.ca> <45FEB1DC.3080406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45FEB91E.1020505@sympatico.ca> teddymills wrote: > > I try and separate data from the OS as much as possible (ie. put all > data on servers) > That way if a workstation drive fails, just rebuild it again, as the > data is on the server. > > In this case it is not possible, since there is only one computer. > I use multiple partitions and put all the user data on one partition. > ie /home sounds fine. > > The idea of spinning multiple drives to keep a filesystem together > sounds iffy. There is only one computer but there are 2 drives. I have the /home partition on the 2nd drive and it's the only partition on that drive. I didn't think that was an odd way of doing it. > > > > John M. Moniz wrote: > >> I was at my sister's yesterday increasing the size of the / partition >> on her Mandriva 2007 box. It was at 99% full. I added a small HD for >> /home and expanded the extended partition to fill the space vacated >> by the old /home partition, then expanded the / partition within the >> extended partition using gparted from the Ubuntu 6.06 live CD. >> >> There was an error while expanding the / partition and I thought I'd >> lost everything in it. I rebooted and it all still came up. I could >> see the new larger partition in fdisk or gparted, but df showed the >> same old partition size and a fill of 99%. I tried adding a bunch of >> programs and the / partition did indeed fill up as per the old size, >> running out of space and preventing a KDE login. >> >> I'm not sure what to do to make the new partition show up properly. I >> can try to resize it smaller again and back to larger the next time I >> drop in to her place, but I'll just be grasping at straws. Any ideas >> what I could do? >> >> Thanks, >> >> John. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 16:31:15 2007 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John M. Moniz) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:31:15 -0500 Subject: Partition Inconsistencies In-Reply-To: <7ac602420703190917x7b7775a5oda88ecc4689f2ecc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <45FE9E7D.1000209@sympatico.ca> <7ac602420703190812v7d8566ffw4112d8e48b071e40@mail.gmail.com> <45FEB6DA.8070504@sympatico.ca> <7ac602420703190917x7b7775a5oda88ecc4689f2ecc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45FEBAD3.1080601@sympatico.ca> Ian Petersen wrote: > On 3/19/07, John M. Moniz wrote: > >> I did the enlarging of the / partition (ext3) using a live CD and the >> partition was not mounted. However, there was an error in gparted during >> the process. Perhaps the error stopped the process before the file >> system was enlarged. So now how do I enlarge a file system when the >> partition size has already been changed, without erasing everything in >> the partition? > > > First things first: do you have a backup? I've never had trouble > resizing a filesystem, but I've only done it a couple of times and I > _always_ make a backup first, but I might be paranoid. > > Assuming you're comfortable with the safety of your data, the tool you > need is resize2fs. According to 'man resize2fs', you want something > like this: > > resize2fs > > So, assuming your / is on /dev/hda1, you want 'resize2fs /dev/hda1'. > There is also a size parameter that you can specify after the device, > but, according to the man page, if you omit the size parameter, > resize2fs will enlarge the filesystem to fill the partition. > > HTH, > Ian > Thanks Ian, this seems to be exactly what I need. Since there's no user data on that partition, I guess you could say my back-ups are on the installation CD's :-). John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 16:35:30 2007 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John M. Moniz) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:35:30 -0500 Subject: Partition Inconsistencies In-Reply-To: <7ac602420703190917x7b7775a5oda88ecc4689f2ecc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <45FE9E7D.1000209@sympatico.ca> <7ac602420703190812v7d8566ffw4112d8e48b071e40@mail.gmail.com> <45FEB6DA.8070504@sympatico.ca> <7ac602420703190917x7b7775a5oda88ecc4689f2ecc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45FEBBD2.3030406@sympatico.ca> Ian Petersen wrote: > On 3/19/07, John M. Moniz wrote: > >> I did the enlarging of the / partition (ext3) using a live CD and the >> partition was not mounted. However, there was an error in gparted during >> the process. Perhaps the error stopped the process before the file >> system was enlarged. So now how do I enlarge a file system when the >> partition size has already been changed, without erasing everything in >> the partition? > > > First things first: do you have a backup? I've never had trouble > resizing a filesystem, but I've only done it a couple of times and I > _always_ make a backup first, but I might be paranoid. > > Assuming you're comfortable with the safety of your data, the tool you > need is resize2fs. According to 'man resize2fs', you want something > like this: > > resize2fs > > So, assuming your / is on /dev/hda1, you want 'resize2fs /dev/hda1'. > There is also a size parameter that you can specify after the device, > but, according to the man page, if you omit the size parameter, > resize2fs will enlarge the filesystem to fill the partition. > > HTH, > Ian > On a similar vein, is it possible to *move* a partition and filesystem for those cases where the unallocated space on a disk lies *before* the start of a partition? Thanks, John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 17:01:38 2007 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:01:38 -0400 Subject: daylight savings time issues? In-Reply-To: <45FE031C.2080401-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1173728319.6430.9.camel@localhost> <200703122205.01566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <1173973020.18061.45.camel@localhost> <45FE031C.2080401@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1174323698.6413.19.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2007-18-03 at 23:27 -0400, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Matt Price wrote: > > first, thanks to both you and walter for the response! > > > > On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 22:05 -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > ----------snip-------------- > > >> A few other things related to clock: > >> > >> - run hwclock, if time is not correct run ntpdate to correct system time and > >> then run "hwclock --systohc" > >> > > > > I believe Debian runs "hwclock --systohc" when it shuts down. So if know > you're shutting your system off then there's a step you can skip. > ah. this may be the issue -- i suspended many times in that first week, but i'm not sure i ever rebooted! matt > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 17:42:00 2007 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:42:00 -0400 Subject: USB 2.0 powered hub failure In-Reply-To: <45FDA7FF.1090209-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <45FDA7FF.1090209@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200703191342.00098.dbmacg@look.ca> USB 2.0 hubs, it seems, may have power supplies that are too weak. With pen drives and flash cards, a weak power supply manifests itself as connections that are inconsistently maintained and unreliably established. A connected hard drive would sometimes only click. Using a 5volt 2.5 amp power supply brought two of my hubs to life. The 1 amp or unmarked supplies were useless. It looks as though you need a power supply that provides half an amp for each connection on the hub Duncan MacGregor - Toronto - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 18:06:48 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:06:48 -0400 Subject: USB 2.0 powered hub failure In-Reply-To: <200703191342.00098.dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM@public.gmane.org> References: <45FDA7FF.1090209@rogers.com> <200703191342.00098.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: <20070319180648.GP22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:42:00PM -0400, Duncan MacGregor wrote: > USB 2.0 hubs, it seems, may have power supplies that are too weak. > > With pen drives and flash cards, a weak power supply manifests itself as > connections that are inconsistently maintained and unreliably established. A > connected hard drive would sometimes only click. > > Using a 5volt 2.5 amp power supply brought two of my hubs to life. > The 1 amp or unmarked supplies were useless. > > It looks as though you need a power supply that provides half an amp for each > connection on the hub Well USB allows 100mA per port until the device connects and tells the system how much power it needs, up to 500mA. Some external HDs use two usb connections to get up to 1A of power. So a usb hub with a 1A power supply can only actually handle 2 ports at full allowed power (assuming the hub itself requires no power at all). So the 1A adapter seems like a bad design choice. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 18:28:43 2007 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:28:43 -0400 Subject: computer freezing In-Reply-To: <87fy81iwen.fsf-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA@public.gmane.org> References: <1174172048.3190.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <87fy81iwen.fsf@azurservers.com> Message-ID: <1174328923.3075.110.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 07:23 +0100, Slackrat wrote: > * jim ruxton a ?crit > > Hi I'm wondering if anyone can help me figure out why my laptop keeps > > freezing. I'm running FC5. The freezing is intermittent but seems to be > > happening more often (or I'm getting less impatient) . I can't seem to > > find a pattern to it for example when using specific programs. If I am > > doing nothng and just let it run it will often freeze. I did a RAM test > > and that seems ok. Is it possible the Kernel is corrupted somehow? Below > > is my /var/log/messages . Only way I can interact with the system is > > with altSysRQ commands. This is really frustrating. Anyone have any > > ideas what I can try. When it freezes I can't even SSH into it so I > > don't think it is a problem with X windows. > > jim > > Your problem probably is an X Windows problem > > And the short answer is that you probably can't do much about it given > that you have whatever hardware you have in your laptop so long as you > have the right clocks line in xorg.conf and that the X server is > otherwise configured correctly. > > I just switched to xorg 7.1 to try to solve similar problems to yours. > > Unfortunately 7.1 just crashes and locks up much more frequently and > spectacularly, particularly when running xine > I don't have a clocks line in my xorg.conf file, I don't think it is necessary for this nvidia chipset (Geforce FX5600)or at least I havn't seen it in other xorg.conf files for this laptop? My xorg.conf below. Jim # XFree86 4 configuration created by pyxf86config Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" InputDevice "Synaptics" "AlwaysCore" EndSection Section "Files" # RgbPath is the location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally # no need to change the default. # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together) # By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of # the X server to render fonts. RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia" ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules" FontPath "unix/:7100" EndSection Section "Module" Load "dbe" Load "extmod" Load "fbdevhw" Load "record" Load "freetype" Load "type1" Load "synaptics" Load "glx" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) # Option "Xleds" "1 2 3" # To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable. # Option "XkbDisable" # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the # lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. # keyboard, you will probably want to use: # Option "XkbModel" "pc102" # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: # Option "XkbModel" "microsoft" # # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. # For example, a german layout can be obtained with: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # or: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" # # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and # control keys, use: # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps" # Or if you just want both to be control, use: # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" # Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Synaptics" Driver "synaptics" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" EndSection Section "Monitor" ### Comment all HorizSync and VertSync values to use DDC: Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "hp pavilion" ModelName "LCD Panel 1440x900" ### Comment all HorizSync and VertSync values to use DDC: HorizSync 30.0 - 64.0 VertRefresh 50.0 - 100.0 ModeLine "1440x900" 97.5 1440 1472 1840 1872 900 919 927 946 Option "dpms" EndSection Section "Device" #Option "TVOverScan" "0.6" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "NVIDIA" BoardName "GeForce FX 5700" Option "MetaModes" "1440x900" Option "NoLogo" "true" Option "twinview" "true" Option "TwinViewOrientation" "Clone" Option "TVStandard" "NTSC-M" Option "TVOutFormat" "SVIDEO" # Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV" # Add this if you're having problems EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "1440x900" EndSubSection EndSection -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 19 19:39:34 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: USB 2.0 powered hub failure In-Reply-To: <200703191342.00098.dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM@public.gmane.org> References: <45FDA7FF.1090209@rogers.com> <200703191342.00098.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: <50594.207.188.66.219.1174333174.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > > USB 2.0 hubs, it seems, may have power supplies that are too weak. We've had several reports that our USB-powered scope or waveform generator do not work correctly and the problem turns out to be an underpowered USB hub. The conservative approach would be for the hub manufacturer to provide a power supply of 500mA per port, but that's not usual. We recommend an upgrade to a high-quality hub, and that seems to fix the problems. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ssemenyuk-5xk6gukWl5lWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 20 00:24:51 2007 From: ssemenyuk-5xk6gukWl5lWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Sergey Semenyuk) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:24:51 -0500 Subject: eth where is it storing old mac address refs? In-Reply-To: <1174141997.2592.105.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <1174141997.2592.105.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <45FF29D3.7090309@linux-on.com> Hi, can you check the contents of /etc/sysconfig/network. There should be a bunch file files named ifcfg-eth-xxxxx.x, cleaning some of them can resolve your issue. Sergey tleslie wrote: > i cloned a linux flash appliance (fw/vpn) > and when i put the flash cart. in the new system, which is identical > except for the mac address on the net cards, > the linux then labels eth3 eth4 eth5 the net ports, > and i move it to another machine and > then its eth6 eth7 eth8 > > i'd like it to just go virgin again and label them eth0 eth1 eth2 > > I am grep'ing all over the place for the mac numbers of the new and old > interfaces, assuming that somewhere linux has stored these, and when it > find new interfaces it is indexing the eth?? under the assumption maybe > someone is plugging cards in and out and one doesnt want to lose old > ip/mac assignments or soemthing. > > anyone know where linux keeps MAC id's ? > I am using SUSE10.1 > but if someone has a similar story and fix for any distro, > it would probably be useful. > > I can deal with the new assignments if i have to , but i have configs in > OpenSwan (klips) that ref the eth##'s and in general for this cloning to > be as effortless as possible, i'd like the install to forget about the > old Mac address of interfaces it will never see again. > > -tl > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 20 00:54:39 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:54:39 -0400 Subject: editing AVI In-Reply-To: <20070318113718.49d9762a-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <200703181111.06258.softquake@gmail.com> <20070318113718.49d9762a@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <200703192054.40518.softquake@gmail.com> On Sunday 18 March 2007 11:37, JoeHill wrote: > Zbigniew Koziol descended, with this inscribed on tablets: > > On Sunday 18 March 2007 11:02, JoeHill wrote: > > > Zbigniew Koziol descended, with this inscribed on tablets: > > > > This is largely not list subject. > > > > > > > > I have a great, really great, outstanding movie about Russian war in > > > > Afganistan. It is in Russian. I would like to share it with others. > > > > > > > > Is there a way to add subtitles? English translation? How? > > > > > > If there are no subtitles already in the video, or no subtitle files > > > provided with it (.sub, etc.), no. I don't think there is any > > > application that can automatically translate the language in a video > > > ;-) > > > > There are no subtitles or any additional files. I got it through aMule > > (p2p). I thought that still there may be a way to add text on screen. > > Well there is, but... if you wanted, and you had the time (a *lot* of it), > you could create the sub file yourself, seeing as you know Russian, of > course. This would take insane amounts of patience, however. You would need > to run the movie in mplayer, with the time display running, and type the > translation as you watched, noting the exact time for each display of text, > down to the millisecond. You could probably find out the format of the > subtitle file via google or something, I don't have one handy right now. > > What is the name of the movie? I'll check on bittorrent. Many of the movies > I find there include subs. I got the original in Russian. Video quality wasn't great but it wasn't bad either. I do not remember the original title. Strangely, i did find a copy which is with Polish translation. I am downloading it right now. The translation sounds me a bit silly, though may be its formally correct. The title I am downloading is "9 Kompania cd2 - The 9th Company (2005)" - this is the second half only of the movie. It is of better video quality, but still in Russian and with Polish translation. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 20 01:23:09 2007 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:23:09 -0400 Subject: editing AVI In-Reply-To: <200703192054.40518.softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200703181111.06258.softquake@gmail.com> <20070318113718.49d9762a@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <200703192054.40518.softquake@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070319212309.3440deb5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Zbigniew Koziol descended, with this inscribed on tablets: > On Sunday 18 March 2007 11:37, JoeHill wrote: > > Zbigniew Koziol descended, with this inscribed on tablets: > > > On Sunday 18 March 2007 11:02, JoeHill wrote: > > > > Zbigniew Koziol descended, with this inscribed on tablets: > > > > > This is largely not list subject. > > > > > > > > > > I have a great, really great, outstanding movie about Russian war in > > > > > Afganistan. It is in Russian. I would like to share it with others. > > > > > > > > > > Is there a way to add subtitles? English translation? How? > > > > > > > > If there are no subtitles already in the video, or no subtitle files > > > > provided with it (.sub, etc.), no. I don't think there is any > > > > application that can automatically translate the language in a video > > > > ;-) > > > > > > There are no subtitles or any additional files. I got it through aMule > > > (p2p). I thought that still there may be a way to add text on screen. > > > > Well there is, but... if you wanted, and you had the time (a *lot* of it), > > you could create the sub file yourself, seeing as you know Russian, of > > course. This would take insane amounts of patience, however. You would need > > to run the movie in mplayer, with the time display running, and type the > > translation as you watched, noting the exact time for each display of text, > > down to the millisecond. You could probably find out the format of the > > subtitle file via google or something, I don't have one handy right now. > > > > What is the name of the movie? I'll check on bittorrent. Many of the movies > > I find there include subs. > > I got the original in Russian. Video quality wasn't great but it wasn't bad > either. I do not remember the original title. That would be '9-ya Rota'. :-) > Strangely, i did find a copy which is with Polish translation. I am > downloading it right now. The translation sounds me a bit silly, though may > be its formally correct. > > The title I am downloading is "9 Kompania cd2 - The 9th Company (2005)" - > this is the second half only of the movie. It is of better video quality, but > still in Russian and with Polish translation. Downloading the DVDRip (good quality) from Torrentspy.com right now. There's tons of copies. The one I'm downloading says 'PL napisy', which my lovely wife tells me means 'writing' or 'text' :-) Found a link on the Torrentspy site to English subtitles here: http://www.opensubtitles.org/en/search/sublanguageid-eng/idmovie-5263 With these subtitles, you should be able to redo the avi with the subtitles added, though I've never tried this myself. I know that the app I use for dvd authoring, tovid, has a command line switch '-autosubs', which should hardcode the subtitles into the resulting ntsc or pal mpeg. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 20 07:57:54 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 03:57:54 -0400 Subject: If Microsoft created vi In-Reply-To: References: <1e55af990703171335k67987544y70166c04be141176@mail.gmail.com> <20070317195355.9BE6230965@rock.ss.org> <45FE9615.4010908@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990703200057y33817ecscff4708c9a7e6bd@mail.gmail.com> On 3/19/07, Peter P. wrote: > James Knott writes: > > > Emacs is a text editor too??? > > I wonder why people insist calling the emacs operating system an 'editor' ?! > This is becoming somewhat degrading after a while, you know ... ;-) An operating system? I thought it was a development framework. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 20 10:54:37 2007 From: cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Charles philip Chan) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:54:37 -0400 Subject: If Microsoft created vi In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703200057y33817ecscff4708c9a7e6bd-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> (Sy Ali's message of "Tue\, 20 Mar 2007 03\:57\:54 -0400") References: <1e55af990703171335k67987544y70166c04be141176@mail.gmail.com> <20070317195355.9BE6230965@rock.ss.org> <45FE9615.4010908@rogers.com> <1e55af990703200057y33817ecscff4708c9a7e6bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87bqiotcb6.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> On 20 Mar 2007, sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > An operating system? I thought it was a development framework. Hey, don't mess with my kitchen sink! ;-) Charles -- /* Fuck. 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Update: I had to do as suggested, xfs_repair -L, to zero out the logfile. Lots of files were recovered, renamed with numbers, and dumped into lost+found. It turns out the trick with that is to use find to locate the sub-sub-sub-directories of interest. Once I had done that, I copied the files off to a new drive, and all is well again. But it's the last time I use XFS for anything. At least ext2/3 have never died on me. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 215 Huron Street The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5S 1A2 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 20 16:23:29 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:23:29 -0400 Subject: Hosed XFS drive? In-Reply-To: <20070320142945.GA4688-LMpBBneordZSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <20070311183745.GA21672@amtoo.utoronto.ca> <20070320142945.GA4688@amtoo.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20070320162328.GQ22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 10:29:45AM -0400, Peter King wrote: > Update: I had to do as suggested, xfs_repair -L, to zero out the > logfile. Lots of files were recovered, renamed with numbers, and > dumped into lost+found. It turns out the trick with that is to use > find to locate the sub-sub-sub-directories of interest. Once I had > done that, I copied the files off to a new drive, and all is well > again. But it's the last time I use XFS for anything. At least ext2/3 > have never died on me. yeah me too. At least when ext3 has died on me there have been hardware issues at fault. XFS and reiser are off my lists for now. Well actually my work desktop still runs XFS, and has never had a problem, although it doesn't really do a whole lot of disk accesses locally since I do all the development on other machines so it is mainly just a terminal system. I wouldn't pick XFS for a new install though. I have never tried JFS so maybe some day I will. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 20 16:31:38 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:31:38 -0400 Subject: editing AVI In-Reply-To: <200703192054.40518.softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200703181111.06258.softquake@gmail.com> <20070318113718.49d9762a@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <200703192054.40518.softquake@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070320163138.GR22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 08:54:39PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > I got the original in Russian. Video quality wasn't great but it wasn't bad > either. I do not remember the original title. > > Strangely, i did find a copy which is with Polish translation. I am > downloading it right now. The translation sounds me a bit silly, though may > be its formally correct. > > The title I am downloading is "9 Kompania cd2 - The 9th Company (2005)" - this > is the second half only of the movie. It is of better video quality, but > still in Russian and with Polish translation. http://home.of.donsystem.hu/index.php?fnev=The.9th.Company.2005.DVDRip.XviD-PROMiSE.zip&action=letolt&datum=1131967374&status=send This contains the .srt subtitle files in english for the first and second (CD1/CD2 of a DVD rip apparently) of the movie. I know mplayer can use .srt files. There are also .mp4 subtitle files available along with the movie as bittorrent downloads from mininova.org and such. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 20 22:59:31 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:59:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: If Microsoft created vi References: <1e55af990703171335k67987544y70166c04be141176@mail.gmail.com> <20070317195355.9BE6230965@rock.ss.org> <45FE9615.4010908@rogers.com> <1e55af990703200057y33817ecscff4708c9a7e6bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sy Ali writes: > On 3/19/07, Peter P. wrote: > > James Knott ...> writes: > > > > > Emacs is a text editor too??? > > > > I wonder why people insist calling the emacs operating system an 'editor' ?! > > This is becoming somewhat degrading after a while, you know ... > > An operating system? I thought it was a development framework. Well, you can call it whatever you want, what I like about it is its boot loaders. One is called Linacks or something like that and there is also one made by Microsoft and a number of lesser known ones. Some boot loaders display pretty cool graphics before they start the real OS (i.e. Emacs). Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 04:47:01 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:47:01 -0400 Subject: Another reason to use linux... Message-ID: <20070321044701.GB1973@waltdnes.org> ...or anything but Windows. It's called the AxFreePorn Dialer. See thread at http://www.windowsbbs.com/showthread.php?t=62973 -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 06:02:25 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:02:25 -0400 Subject: daylight savings time issues? In-Reply-To: <20070315163910.GN22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1173728319.6430.9.camel@localhost> <20070315002644.GA23952@waltdnes.org> <20070315163910.GN22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070321060225.GC1973@waltdnes.org> On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 12:39:10PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote > On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:26:44PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > As Fraser mentioned, try... > > zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 > > > > In the old days /etc/localtime was actually a symlink to > > /usr/share/zoneinfo/ooga/booga (or whatever your selected timezone is). > > A nice feature of that was that when your /usr/share/zoneinfo/ooga/booga > > was updated, the symlink, by definition, was also updated. > > Still is. > > > Nowadays, /etc/localtime is *A COPY* of /usr/share/zoneinfo/ooga/booga, > > and you have to manually... > > Only on some crazy systems. You are assuming, of course, that /usr is physically on the / partition, and not another partition that gets mounted later on in the boot process. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 11:19:17 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:19:17 -0400 Subject: Another reason to use linux... In-Reply-To: <20070321044701.GB1973-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20070321044701.GB1973@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <460114B5.6070200@rogers.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > ...or anything but Windows. It's called the AxFreePorn Dialer. See > thread at http://www.windowsbbs.com/showthread.php?t=62973 > > You'd think people would realize they could get away from viruses etc., by switching to Linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 12:58:41 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:58:41 -0400 Subject: daylight savings time issues? In-Reply-To: <20070321060225.GC1973-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <1173728319.6430.9.camel@localhost> <20070315002644.GA23952@waltdnes.org> <20070315163910.GN22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070321060225.GC1973@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20070321125841.GS22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 02:02:25AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > You are assuming, of course, that /usr is physically on the / > partition, and not another partition that gets mounted later on in the > boot process. Hmm, does anything that early in boot actually care what timezone you are in? I must admit I never make /usr seperate. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 13:31:21 2007 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:31:21 -0400 Subject: Looking for endorsers for ACM Senior Membership Message-ID: <1174483881.11966.14.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Just as I was going to let my Association of Computing Machinery membership expire, it was pointed out to me that as of this year I can qualify to become a Senior Member of the ACM. For details on the advanced memberships of the ACM, visit this site: http://www.acm.org/awards/amg_call.html Basically, a "Senior Member" is anyone who is recognized has having made contributions to the computer community, beyond just holding down an IT job. In order to qualify for senior membership, I only need endorsements from 3 computer people who know me and are willing recommend me for my contributions. The criteria for membership are available here: http://www.acm.org/awards/senior_member_nom_guide.html. My book "Linux Shell Scripting with BASH", my open source projects, PegaSoft presentations, my Lone Coder column, etc. may be acceptable criteria for endorsing my nomination. If you think my contributions to computing, open source or Linux should be recognized by the ACM and you are willing to stand up and endorse me, please email me. If my nomination is successful, I'll get a shiny new membership card. Whee! Ken B. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone/Fax: 905-562-0848 "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org "Perl Phrasebook" Blog: http://www.pegasoft.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 13:33:55 2007 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:33:55 -0400 Subject: Linux Audio/Visual Project Message-ID: <1174484035.11966.18.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> A new Linux project opportunity has come up. If you are interested in this project, please contact me. Target Audience: Non-Technical Music Lovers Description: I was speaking this week to a non-programmer who's interested in creating a Linux device to hook up to his music system. Requirements/Skills: For starters, some feasibility studies might be done on a regular computer, but ultimately this needs to be a standalone device. This project would involve graphics (possibly OpenGL), possibly sound, knowledge of how to build a Linux embedded device with graphics and sound, and knowing how wire up the device to RCA stereo jacks. Participants should have a car and be able to travel to meetings. He is looking for (possibly): - one hardware person. Preferably with embedded Linux and/or audio-visual experience. - one software person. Knowledge of X Windows, OpenGL and ALSA sound an asset. Working Terms: He wants to build a prototype for his own use. So this would be part-time, volunteer work. If the device is successful, he is interested in forming a company and perfecting the device for sale. The participants would receive some kind of share in the company, if one is formed. Contact Info: He had been considering this project for several years but didn't know any people who could implement it. I told him I would ask around. The next step will be to hold a general fact-finding / brainstorming session to determine the project specifications and see if it is feasible. If you are interested in participating in this project or coming to the fact-finding session, or if you know someone who might be, please email me. Ken B. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone/Fax: 905-562-0848 "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org "Perl Phrasebook" Blog: http://www.pegasoft.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 15:28:35 2007 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:28:35 -0400 Subject: editing AVI In-Reply-To: <200703192054.40518.softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200703181111.06258.softquake@gmail.com> <20070318113718.49d9762a@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <200703192054.40518.softquake@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070321112835.10922808@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Zbigniew Koziol descended, with this inscribed on tablets: > I got the original in Russian. Video quality wasn't great but it wasn't bad > either. I do not remember the original title. > > Strangely, i did find a copy which is with Polish translation. I am > downloading it right now. The translation sounds me a bit silly, though may > be its formally correct. > > The title I am downloading is "9 Kompania cd2 - The 9th Company (2005)" - > this is the second half only of the movie. It is of better video quality, but > still in Russian and with Polish translation. Just finished encoding CD1 with Tovid, and it came out great, as far as I can tell (not understanding a word of Russian). I ran it like so: tovid -subtitles 9-ya_rota_2005_cd1.srt -in the.9th.company.2005.dvdrip.xvid-promise-cd1.avi -out company1 ...and the subtitles (english) came out coded right into the mpeg! Woot! Now, this hardcodes them in, as opposed to having them as an 'option', but for your purposes this may be okay. This mpeg is also ntsc compliant, so it can be burned to DVD, though sometimes 'joining' two mpegs, especially of this length, can be problematic when authoring a DVD (dvdauthor has issues with joining/grouping mpegs that run longer than 1 hour each, IIRC), and joining them *and* having the subtitles come out?...you may have to view the movie in two 'parts'. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Fry: I've only got two fantasies left: to be invisible in a chocolate factory, and to be romantically linked to a celebrity. Bender: I could pound your head 'til you think that's what happened. Fry: Okay. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 15:46:11 2007 From: Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:46:11 -0400 Subject: Cron and DST patches Message-ID: Informational post: I just wanted to inform everyone, as I have discovered, that after applying the DST patches to some systems the cron daemon has to be restarted or it will run an hour late. Evidently this is a known problem, but until today I had been unaware of this issue. So if you have any tasks that are doing any form of time stamping, please check to ensure the proper time stamp is being applied. In my search for information, I have also discovered several posts regarding dST patch issues with sendmail timestamps, again solved by restarting the service. _______________________________________________________________________________ Jason Shein Network Administrator ? Linux Systems Iovate Health Sciences Inc. 5100 Spectrum Way Mississauga, ON L4W 5S2 ( 905 ) - 678 - 3119 x 3136 1 - 888 - 334 - 4448, x 3136 (toll-free) ( 416 ) - 272 - 7998 Blackberry jason.shein at iovate.com Customer Service. Collaboration. Innovation. Efficiency. Iovate's Information Technology Team _______________________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: THIS ELECTRONIC MAIL TRANSMISSION IS PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL AND IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE REVIEW OF THE PARTY TO WHOM IT IS ADDRESSED. THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS E-MAIL IS CONFIDENTIAL AND IS DISCLOSED TO YOU UNDER THE EXPRESS UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WILL NOT DISCLOSE IT OR ITS CONTENTS TO ANY THIRD PARTY WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF AN AUTHORIZED OFFICER OF IOVATE HEALTH SCIENCES SERVICES INC. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY RETURN IT TO THE SENDER. _______________________________________________________________________________ From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 15:49:49 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:49:49 -0400 Subject: Cron and DST patches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070321154949.GA611@watson-wilson.ca> On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 11:46:11AM -0400, Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: >I just wanted to inform everyone, as I have discovered, that after >applying the DST patches to some systems the cron daemon has to be >restarted or it will run an hour late. Which distributions? Which versions? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 22 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 15:58:55 2007 From: Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:58:55 -0400 Subject: Cron and DST patches In-Reply-To: <20070321154949.GA611-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070321154949.GA611@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: owner-tlug at ss.org wrote on 03/21/2007 11:49:49 AM: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 11:46:11AM -0400, Jason.Shein at iovate.com wrote: > >I just wanted to inform everyone, as I have discovered, that after > >applying the DST patches to some systems the cron daemon has to be > >restarted or it will run an hour late. > > Which distributions? Which versions? > I have now witnessed this on the following: CentOS 4.3 & 4.4 Leagcy RedHat Looking around on the forums it seems that all distributions may be affected by this, so I am now restarting the cron daemon on all servers. I will post later if I discover issues on my Debian & Gentoo servers. _______________________________________________________________________________ Jason Shein Network Administrator ? Linux Systems Iovate Health Sciences Inc. 5100 Spectrum Way Mississauga, ON L4W 5S2 ( 905 ) - 678 - 3119 x 3136 1 - 888 - 334 - 4448, x 3136 (toll-free) ( 416 ) - 272 - 7998 Blackberry jason.shein at iovate.com Customer Service. Collaboration. Innovation. Efficiency. Iovate's Information Technology Team _______________________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: THIS ELECTRONIC MAIL TRANSMISSION IS PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL AND IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE REVIEW OF THE PARTY TO WHOM IT IS ADDRESSED. THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS E-MAIL IS CONFIDENTIAL AND IS DISCLOSED TO YOU UNDER THE EXPRESS UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WILL NOT DISCLOSE IT OR ITS CONTENTS TO ANY THIRD PARTY WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF AN AUTHORIZED OFFICER OF IOVATE HEALTH SCIENCES SERVICES INC. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY RETURN IT TO THE SENDER. _______________________________________________________________________________ From vince-J8gUg58EjS5Wk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 18:14:25 2007 From: vince-J8gUg58EjS5Wk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Vince Fry) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:14:25 -0400 Subject: Entry Level Opportunity Message-ID: <36867D01-F54E-418E-A590-74118D5132E7@vincefry.com> The company I work for has a big project that will be taking up much of our (IT Dept's) time for the next couple of months. We're looking to bring someone in on a contract basis for 1st level support. This would involve being the phone buffer for the department, and supporting a mixture of Windows and Linux desktops and servers. We're looking to get someone started ASAP. If anyone is interested, please email me off list at: vfry-PYJcXEn6ByIWbn5ELLBuDkEOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org and include your C.V. and rate expectations. Vince Fry vince-J8gUg58EjS5Wk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Claiming that your operating system is the best in the world because more people use it is like saying McDonalds makes the best food in the world. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 20:42:45 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:42:45 -0400 Subject: Oh say can you SEO? Message-ID: <460198C5.1030103@telly.org> Hi all, I'd be greatly thankful if folks here can point me to good resources (books, websites, etc.) in the field of search engine optimization (SEO). Some of the sites I've been looking at so far promise "free" stuff that look like a one-way trip to their "hire me" section. Book recommendations are appreciated. I saw an "SEO for Dummies" title but somehow I suspect I can do better. Thanks again for any suggestions. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 20:43:56 2007 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:43:56 -0400 Subject: Cron and DST patches In-Reply-To: References: <20070321154949.GA611@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <92ee967a0703211343h4d6db67bp3ac9fd37e8e355a7@mail.gmail.com> On 3/21/07, Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: > owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org wrote on 03/21/2007 11:49:49 AM: > > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 11:46:11AM -0400, Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >I just wanted to inform everyone, as I have discovered, that after > > >applying the DST patches to some systems the cron daemon has to be > > >restarted or it will run an hour late. > > > > Which distributions? Which versions? > > > > I have now witnessed this on the following: > > CentOS 4.3 & 4.4 > Leagcy RedHat > > Looking around on the forums it seems that all distributions may be > affected > by this, so I am now restarting the cron daemon on all servers. I will > post > later if I discover issues on my Debian & Gentoo servers. My recommendation on DST was to either examine every peice of software on the system to determine how it would be impacted by the change, or reboot. Since I have under 30 systems to worry about, I lumped in some other change activites and rebooted. I can't imagine any application expecting a dynamic change in the rules for the time zone they're in. The time of day, no problem. The zone? maybe... the rules inside the zone? That's a very rare corner case. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 20:46:07 2007 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:46:07 -0400 Subject: Cron and DST patches In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0703211343h4d6db67bp3ac9fd37e8e355a7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070321154949.GA611@watson-wilson.ca> <92ee967a0703211343h4d6db67bp3ac9fd37e8e355a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92ee967a0703211346o39fab533l926434ebdcc83425@mail.gmail.com> On 3/21/07, Mike Kallies wrote: ... > My recommendation on DST was to either examine every peice of software > on the system to determine how it would be impacted by the change, or > reboot. Hmm, that sounds snarky. I think I need more sleep. I mean my recommendation at work, to my team... There are cases where investigating all the software is worthwhile. e.g. if you have hundreds of servers, or any server which can't be rebooted at all. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 21:00:30 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:00:30 -0400 Subject: Oh say can you SEO? In-Reply-To: <460198C5.1030103-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <460198C5.1030103@telly.org> Message-ID: <20070321210030.GT22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 04:42:45PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I'd be greatly thankful if folks here can point me to good resources > (books, websites, etc.) in the field of search engine optimization > (SEO). Some of the sites I've been looking at so far promise "free" > stuff that look like a one-way trip to their "hire me" section. > > Book recommendations are appreciated. I saw an "SEO for Dummies" title > but somehow I suspect I can do better. > > Thanks again for any suggestions. Do you want to make a search engine and make it faster or are you talking about optimizing positioning of your web site on various search engines? For the first one I think that is a bit complicated and involves lots of R&D and smart people working at Google and such, while the second option is in my opinion as simple as having a web site with content people actually want to see and hence link to. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 21:18:35 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:18:35 -0400 Subject: Oh say can you SEO? In-Reply-To: <20070321210030.GT22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <460198C5.1030103@telly.org> <20070321210030.GT22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4601A12B.20403@telly.org> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Do you want to make a search engine and make it faster or are you > talking about optimizing positioning of your web site on various search > engines? > The latter. > For the first one I think that is a bit complicated and involves lots of > R&D and smart people working at Google and such, while the second option > is in my opinion as simple as having a web site with content people > actually want to see and hence link to. > Well, ya. But there are other techniques, especially for work with non-Google ranking mechanisms. And some of the fields in which said techniques are to be used are, to put it mildly, fiercely competitive. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 21:36:06 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:36:06 -0400 Subject: Oh say can you say SEO Message-ID: <4601A546.7070705@rogers.com> A search of IBM Developerworks yielded these results. http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/search/searchResults.jsp?searchType=1&searchSite=dW&searchScope=dW&query=search+engine+optimization&Search.x=0&Search.y=0&Search=Search John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 23:14:18 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:14:18 -0400 Subject: Another reason to use linux... In-Reply-To: <460114B5.6070200-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20070321044701.GB1973@waltdnes.org> <460114B5.6070200@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070321231418.GA3667@waltdnes.org> On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 07:19:17AM -0400, James Knott wrote > Walter Dnes wrote: > > ...or anything but Windows. It's called the AxFreePorn Dialer. See > > thread at http://www.windowsbbs.com/showthread.php?t=62973 > > > > > You'd think people would realize they could get away from viruses etc., > by switching to Linux. Well, you might still run into "lusers". See the spam sample at... http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.sightings/browse_thread/thread/3addf542cebd6922 -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 23:23:01 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:23:01 -0400 Subject: Oh say can you SEO? In-Reply-To: <460198C5.1030103-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <460198C5.1030103@telly.org> Message-ID: <20070321232301.GB3667@waltdnes.org> On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 04:42:45PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote > Hi all, > > I'd be greatly thankful if folks here can point me to good resources > (books, websites, etc.) in the field of search engine optimization > (SEO). Some of the sites I've been looking at so far promise "free" > stuff that look like a one-way trip to their "hire me" section. > > Book recommendations are appreciated. I saw an "SEO for Dummies" title > but somehow I suspect I can do better. > > Thanks again for any suggestions. Well, Google has plenty of hints for Google. See... http://www.google.com/intl/en/webmasters/ They might also have some hints about what lines not to cross, to avoid getting dumped entirely. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 21 23:24:42 2007 From: jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Spiro) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:24:42 -0400 Subject: OT: Should one spend money on SEO? (was: Oh say can you SEO?) Message-ID: > [SEO is] as simple as having a web site with content people > actually want to see and hence link to. Hmm. Interesting point. But in the special case of online stores: Do you believe that if one wants one's own online store to be highly ranked by search engines, one should *not* try SEO and instead should just add useful content? If J. Random Entrepreneur has N dollars to spend, is it more profitable for him to spend it only on adding useful content, or should he spend some of it on SEO? Cheers, Jason -- Jason Spiro: computer consulting with a smile. I provide software development and training services to clients worldwide. Contact me for a FREE consultation. Satisfaction guaranteed. +1 (416) 781-5938 / Email: info-1hdvTAswZAHQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org / MSN: jasonspiro-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 22 01:04:12 2007 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Oh say can you SEO? In-Reply-To: <460198C5.1030103-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <460198C5.1030103@telly.org> Message-ID: <291806.40348.qm@web60124.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, There's a book on SEO published by IBM that is pretty good. I saw it at Chapters. My SEO advice in 50 words or less: 1) don't do the "sneaky" stuff that will get you banned (google has some specific no-no's rules on this) 2) write interesting stuff, sparkle good keywords 3) get people to link to your site (in a "natural" way, no paid links etc) 4) make the site crawler-friendly Fernando --- Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd be greatly thankful if folks here can point me > to good resources > (books, websites, etc.) in the field of search > engine optimization > (SEO). Some of the sites I've been looking at so far > promise "free" > stuff that look like a one-way trip to their "hire > me" section. > > Book recommendations are appreciated. I saw an "SEO > for Dummies" title > but somehow I suspect I can do better. > > Thanks again for any suggestions. > > - Evan > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > --------------------- Fernando Duran http://www.fduran.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 22 03:04:32 2007 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:04:32 -0400 Subject: Oh say can you SEO? In-Reply-To: <460198C5.1030103-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <460198C5.1030103@telly.org> Message-ID: <200703212304.32165.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Wednesday 21 March 2007 16:42, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I'd be greatly thankful if folks here can point me to good resources > (books, websites, etc.) in the field of search engine optimization > (SEO). Some of the sites I've been looking at so far promise "free" > stuff that look like a one-way trip to their "hire me" section. > > Book recommendations are appreciated. I saw an "SEO for Dummies" title > but somehow I suspect I can do better. I have a site that is number one on google (anticipating the 2 keywords I expect people to be looking for). I didn't need to play any games to get there or to stay there, I think I'm there because ... * I have quite a lot of content, *all* of it is very relevant to the topic * I have a fair number of people linking to my site (without asking) * my domain name is relevant to the topic * the site is very simple (no javascript links), no wierd font tricks, few images * the site has lots of links (within the site and pointing outside) If you're trying to get found in a "market" that is already saturated I think it might be tough. I read years ago that Linux.org was making hundreds of $ per day from their advertising (and there are numerous sites making more) ... if you're entering a market like that you will be competing against fellow optimizers who are very motivated to maintain their places and have the advantage of already being entrenched. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 22 03:07:02 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:07:02 -0400 Subject: Oh say can you SEO? In-Reply-To: <460198C5.1030103-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <460198C5.1030103@telly.org> Message-ID: <200703212307.03214.softquake@gmail.com> On Wednesday 21 March 2007 16:42, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd be greatly thankful if folks here can point me to good resources > (books, websites, etc.) in the field of search engine optimization > (SEO). Some of the sites I've been looking at so far promise "free" > stuff that look like a one-way trip to their "hire me" section. > > Book recommendations are appreciated. I saw an "SEO for Dummies" title > but somehow I suspect I can do better. > > Thanks again for any suggestions. I can tell you only that I am not going to have anything with that shitty business. I have been involved into similar things and well paid for that, as a part of my full time employement duties. zb. > - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 22 04:34:18 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:34:18 -0400 Subject: I'm a Mac -- I'm a PC -- and I'm.... Message-ID: <4602074A.8010304@telly.org> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBZc2Y-uvHo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cldeHjFig_c -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 22 05:35:34 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:35:34 -0400 Subject: OT: Should one spend money on SEO? (was: Oh say can you SEO?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1e55af990703212235i3254737eodf1ea19b87c433be@mail.gmail.com> On 3/21/07, Jason Spiro wrote: > > [SEO is] as simple as having a web site with content people > > actually want to see and hence link to. > > Hmm. Interesting point. But in the special case of online stores: > Do you believe that if one wants one's own online store to be highly > ranked by search engines, one should *not* try SEO and instead should > just add useful content? > > If J. Random Entrepreneur has N dollars to spend, is it more > profitable for him to spend it only on adding useful content, or > should he spend some of it on SEO? A website will often have to be gutted and reworked in various ways to become more SEO-friendly. In some markets, extremes may have to be pursued to have any significant impact with search results. These extremes may be too much for some websites or some entrepreneurs or some budgets. In cases where a lesser amount of effort is needed to gain results with SEO .. where the website is most of the way there, or what have you .. then maybe it's a good idea. Spending money usually involves a fair commitment up front and a budget to be spent monthly. If it's a new website being made, and the business is meant to rely on the website .. then it's stupid not to factor SEO in early. But the fact remains that if a person baulks at the $2500 price tag for a decent site, paying that again to do the beginnings of SEO, and a hefty sum monthly (say, $500/mo), wouldn't be appealing. Many people skip the SEO "until later, when the business is profitable" but somehow the logic doesn't hold if it needs SEO to get there in the first place. And of course, there are no guarantees.. which makes an SEO budget even harder to allot. Most people end up with "ok, I'll spend my budget on a good website and I'll just use AdWords" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 22 05:39:06 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:39:06 -0400 Subject: I'm a Mac -- I'm a PC -- and I'm.... In-Reply-To: <4602074A.8010304-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <4602074A.8010304@telly.org> Message-ID: <1e55af990703212239t6ea10100i6b25bcec0a42c832@mail.gmail.com> On 3/22/07, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBZc2Y-uvHo It goes on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LAXg_UmzTY Some of the earlier ones done by others are funny too.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 22 05:44:43 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:44:43 -0400 Subject: I'm a Mac -- I'm a PC -- and I'm.... In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703212239t6ea10100i6b25bcec0a42c832-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4602074A.8010304@telly.org> <1e55af990703212239t6ea10100i6b25bcec0a42c832@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990703212244m60623c28od5a58dcaea6409e6@mail.gmail.com> Also related are the spoofs. For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAJDbV9Vfs -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rdice-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 22 11:41:01 2007 From: rdice-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Dice) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:41:01 -0400 Subject: I'm a Mac -- I'm a PC -- and I'm.... In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703212244m60623c28od5a58dcaea6409e6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4602074A.8010304@telly.org> <1e55af990703212239t6ea10100i6b25bcec0a42c832@mail.gmail.com> <1e55af990703212244m60623c28od5a58dcaea6409e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bef4baf0703220441t41062a00gebe68349135e9b8b@mail.gmail.com> While we're on the thread... http://fuhrerchan.be/ma/src/1157960476967.jpg Cheers, Richard On 3/22/07, Sy Ali wrote: > > Also related are the spoofs. For example: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAJDbV9Vfs > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 22 17:55:26 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:55:26 -0400 Subject: OT: Looking for a scanner Message-ID: <4602C30E.40805@alteeve.com> Hi all, My old scanner is dieing, and I am in the need of *something*. I was posting in the off hope someone here on the list might have an old scanner gathering dust they don't use anymore they might be willing to part with for a pittance. :) All I need is something that, preferably, runs under Linux and can scan documents (no pics or anything fancy). I know scanners are cheap, and failing this I'll bite the bullet and buy one. In that case, can anyone recommend a currently available scanner that is known to work with Linux? I know parallel port scanners (the one I have now) don't get along with Linux at all. Thanks all! Madi PS - If you do have a scanner, please ping me off-list. Thanks oodles! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 22 18:43:04 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:43:04 -0400 Subject: OT: Looking fo a scanner Message-ID: <4602CE38.4070305@rogers.com> I recently bought a Canon LIDE 25 scanner at Staples ($79.95).At that price point, I didn't see any real advantage in getting a used scanner from another supplier. It works fine with Ubuntu 6.1 and MEPIS 6. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 22 19:51:01 2007 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:51:01 -0400 Subject: OT: Looking fo a scanner In-Reply-To: <4602CE38.4070305-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4602CE38.4070305@rogers.com> Message-ID: I am also looking for a scanner that gets a long well with linux. I'd like to get one with automatic form feed. It looks like the Canon LIDE 25 scanner is a flatbed. Has any one had a good experience with a form feed scanner on linux (ubuntu) that they can recommend? Alex On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, John McGregor wrote: > I recently bought a Canon LIDE 25 scanner at Staples ($79.95).At that > price point, I didn't see any real advantage in getting a used scanner > from another supplier. It works fine with Ubuntu 6.1 and MEPIS 6. > > John > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 22 21:08:55 2007 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:08:55 -0400 Subject: hard disk encryption for laptop Message-ID: <61e9e2b10703221408o2f43e130i9f1dc2d5f79aaae0@mail.gmail.com> I am going to install the latest Debian Etch (RC2) to a laptop, and I noted that hard disk encryption is an option that is now available during the installation. - Have you tried setting up encryption during install, or do you find it better to perform a normal install and setup encryption manually afterwards? - Do you notice a significant impact on encrypted drive performance vs unencrypted? (I am installing on a Thinkpad T23, 1GHz, 256MB RAM) - Google turns up some HOWTOs that detail setting up a encryption key on a /boot partition that is installed on a USB stick... Has anyone explored that option? Thanks for any feedback... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 22 21:21:13 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:21:13 -0500 Subject: hard disk encryption for laptop In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10703221408o2f43e130i9f1dc2d5f79aaae0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10703221408o2f43e130i9f1dc2d5f79aaae0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990703221421j21949c5dp502aeac98a49154@mail.gmail.com> On 3/22/07, Daniel Armstrong wrote: > - Do you notice a significant impact on encrypted drive performance vs > unencrypted? (I am installing on a Thinkpad T23, 1GHz, 256MB RAM) Just for comparisons - I'm using encFS and I do notice a performance drop when doing disk writes. I've also managed to totally deadlock my system a few times, presumably from doing too many disk-related things at once. Bleh. But I expect that I'm rather unique in how hard I push things and how broken my setup has become. However, I'm quite pleased overall. Are you encrypting everything or just the user files? What about the swap? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 22 22:48:26 2007 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:48:26 -0400 Subject: hard disk encryption for laptop In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703221421j21949c5dp502aeac98a49154-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10703221408o2f43e130i9f1dc2d5f79aaae0@mail.gmail.com> <1e55af990703221421j21949c5dp502aeac98a49154@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10703221548o479d1184h9ee99397ffced994@mail.gmail.com> On 3/22/07, Sy Ali wrote: > On 3/22/07, Daniel Armstrong wrote: > > - Do you notice a significant impact on encrypted drive performance vs > > unencrypted? (I am installing on a Thinkpad T23, 1GHz, 256MB RAM) > > Just for comparisons - I'm using encFS and I do notice a performance > drop when doing disk writes. I've also managed to totally deadlock my > system a few times, presumably from doing too many disk-related things > at once. Bleh. But I expect that I'm rather unique in how hard I > push things and how broken my setup has become. > > However, I'm quite pleased overall. > > Are you encrypting everything or just the user files? > > What about the swap? I am looking at encrypting everything, including swap - /boot might be an exception, since I am not sure if I will keep it on disk... or set it up for use on a separate USB stick. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dgardiner0821-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 23 00:09:47 2007 From: dgardiner0821-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (DANIEL GARDINER) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: Looking fo a scanner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <883844.69404.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The SANE webpage has a large list of scanners with a description of how well they work with Linux at http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html. Unfortunately they don't list if the scanner is flatbed or adf. Daniel --- Alex Maynard wrote: > > I am also looking for a scanner that gets a long > well with linux. I'd like > to get one with automatic form feed. It looks like > the Canon LIDE 25 scanner is a > flatbed. Has any one had a good experience with a > form feed scanner on > linux (ubuntu) that they can recommend? > > Alex > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, John McGregor wrote: > > > I recently bought a Canon LIDE 25 scanner at > Staples ($79.95).At that > > price point, I didn't see any real advantage in > getting a used scanner > > from another supplier. It works fine with Ubuntu > 6.1 and MEPIS 6. > > > > John > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 23 01:57:04 2007 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:57:04 -0400 Subject: OT: Looking fo a scanner In-Reply-To: <883844.69404.qm-57gzaD/7YRGB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <883844.69404.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Daniel, Thanks a lot! That's just the type of list I was looking for. Alex On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, DANIEL GARDINER wrote: > The SANE webpage has a large list of scanners with a > description of how well they work with Linux at > http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html. > Unfortunately they don't list if the scanner is > flatbed or adf. > > Daniel > > --- Alex Maynard wrote: > > > > > I am also looking for a scanner that gets a long > > well with linux. I'd like > > to get one with automatic form feed. It looks like > > the Canon LIDE 25 scanner is a > > flatbed. Has any one had a good experience with a > > form feed scanner on > > linux (ubuntu) that they can recommend? > > > > Alex > > > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, John McGregor wrote: > > > > > I recently bought a Canon LIDE 25 scanner at > > Staples ($79.95).At that > > > price point, I didn't see any real advantage in > > getting a used scanner > > > from another supplier. It works fine with Ubuntu > > 6.1 and MEPIS 6. > > > > > > John > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > > http://gtalug.org/ > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > > below 80 columns > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > > http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > > below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 23 04:50:31 2007 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:50:31 -0400 Subject: Cannot sync with J-Pilot Message-ID: <20070323005031.49013a89@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Don't know when this happened, but at some point J-Pilot stopped working on me. I always had it working with the default settings, ie. using /dev/pilot, although my Visor has a USB cradle. Gnome-Pilot does work, but I can't tell how it is connecting, all it says for 'Device' is 'usb:', no indication of what it's using in terms of a path to the device. I've tried configuring J-Pilot to use /dev/ttyUSB0, USB1, etc., but none of them work, I just get an error from J-Pilot that there is no such file or directory. When I hit the sync button on the USB cradle, this is what comes up in /var/log/messages: Mar 23 00:27:02 node1 kernel: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 Mar 23 00:27:02 node1 kernel: usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Any help greatly appreciated! -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "Are you all right?" -Leela "Ah, it's nothing a a law suit won't cure." -Bender -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 23 19:16:41 2007 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:16:41 -0400 Subject: Cannot sync with J-Pilot In-Reply-To: <20070323005031.49013a89-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20070323005031.49013a89@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <1f13df280703231216w13f6311fp7923323067239590@mail.gmail.com> On 3/23/07, JoeHill wrote: > Don't know when this happened, but at some point J-Pilot stopped working on me. > I always had it working with the default settings, ie. using /dev/pilot, > although my Visor has a USB cradle. I have occasional problems with my Tungsten E and jpilot that seem to extend across distros (well, Ubuntu and Debian, and certainly several kernels). I'm currently using Debian testing with the 2.6.18-3-k7 kernel and jpilot 0.99.9.2. I've never used the Gnome or KDE pilot packages. > Gnome-Pilot does work, but I can't tell how it is connecting, all it says for > 'Device' is 'usb:', no indication of what it's using in terms of a path to the > device. Check your /var/log/messages - while Gnome-Pilot won't write there, the kernel should notice and comment on the arrival of a USB device. > I've tried configuring J-Pilot to use /dev/ttyUSB0, USB1, etc., but none of > them work, I just get an error from J-Pilot that there is no such file or > directory. I don't fully understand this, so take my comments with a grain of salt (and anyone who does understand, please enlighten us). I think the ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1 links are created when the PDA is on and its sync button is pressed. What I've found is that under certain circumstances (which I haven't nailed down yet) I get this in /var/log/messages: Mar 23 13:13:13 glo kernel: usb 5-2.2: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7 Mar 23 13:13:31 glo kernel: usb 5-2.2: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 23 13:14:01 glo kernel: usb 5-2.2: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9 (ad nauseum with increasing "address" numbers every couple seconds, and no ttyUSB[01]) This behaviour fits with your problem, but you'll have to check if you see this. A reboot will probably fix it, or you can run "modprobe -r ehci_hcd" and try again if you don't mind breaking some of your USB devices until you put the module back! It probably also reduces you to USB 1.1 speeds? > When I hit the sync button on the USB cradle, this is what comes up > in /var/log/messages: > > Mar 23 00:27:02 node1 kernel: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd > and address 2 Mar 23 00:27:02 node1 kernel: usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen > from 1 choice That makes me think your problem isn't the same: when mine gets into trouble, I never see this. I only see it when I'm not having trouble. Sorry this isn't a lot of help. Keep me informed. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 23 19:37:30 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:36:30 -0401 Subject: Cannot sync with J-Pilot In-Reply-To: <1f13df280703231216w13f6311fp7923323067239590-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070323005031.49013a89@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <1f13df280703231216w13f6311fp7923323067239590@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7ac602420703231237k7951f4abr13b293143b590d70@mail.gmail.com> On 3/23/07, Giles Orr wrote: > Mar 23 13:13:13 glo kernel: usb 5-2.2: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd > and address 7 > Mar 23 13:13:31 glo kernel: usb 5-2.2: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd > and address 8 > Mar 23 13:14:01 glo kernel: usb 5-2.2: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd > and address 9 > (ad nauseum with increasing "address" numbers every couple seconds, > and no ttyUSB[01]) I don't know if this is related or not, but I used to get very similar messages when I plugged in a dieing (and now dead) USB mouse. It seemed as though the kernel was trying over and over again to do some kind of handshake with the mouse, but then the mouse would quit and the process would start over again. Only solution for me was to buy a new mouse. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 23 19:49:17 2007 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:49:17 -0400 Subject: Cannot sync with J-Pilot In-Reply-To: <7ac602420703231237k7951f4abr13b293143b590d70-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070323005031.49013a89@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <1f13df280703231216w13f6311fp7923323067239590@mail.gmail.com> <7ac602420703231237k7951f4abr13b293143b590d70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070323154917.6d76e201@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Ian Petersen descended, with this inscribed on tablets: > On 3/23/07, Giles Orr wrote: > > Mar 23 13:13:13 glo kernel: usb 5-2.2: new full speed USB device using > > ehci_hcd and address 7 > > Mar 23 13:13:31 glo kernel: usb 5-2.2: new full speed USB device using > > ehci_hcd and address 8 > > Mar 23 13:14:01 glo kernel: usb 5-2.2: new full speed USB device using > > ehci_hcd and address 9 > > (ad nauseum with increasing "address" numbers every couple seconds, > > and no ttyUSB[01]) > > I don't know if this is related or not, but I used to get very similar > messages when I plugged in a dieing (and now dead) USB mouse. It > seemed as though the kernel was trying over and over again to do some > kind of handshake with the mouse, but then the mouse would quit and > the process would start over again. Only solution for me was to buy a > new mouse. Not sure, but I don't think my Visor is dying. It works perfectly every time with the Gnome-Pilot daemon (though I have no way to transfer data other than Avant Go with that, which is why I'd prefer to use JPilot), and the only time it shows those messages, as above, repeating is if I hit the button on the cradle repeatedly. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: Pardon me, brother. Care to donate to the anti-mugging you fund? Leela: We don't need to beg, Bender. For God's sake, we're not veterans. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 23 19:54:42 2007 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:54:42 -0400 Subject: Cannot sync with J-Pilot In-Reply-To: <1f13df280703231216w13f6311fp7923323067239590-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070323005031.49013a89@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <1f13df280703231216w13f6311fp7923323067239590@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070323155442.63bd8d48@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Giles Orr descended, with this inscribed on tablets: > On 3/23/07, JoeHill wrote: > > Don't know when this happened, but at some point J-Pilot stopped working on > > me. I always had it working with the default settings, ie. using /dev/pilot, > > although my Visor has a USB cradle. > > I have occasional problems with my Tungsten E and jpilot that seem to > extend across distros (well, Ubuntu and Debian, and certainly several > kernels). I'm currently using Debian testing with the 2.6.18-3-k7 > kernel and jpilot 0.99.9.2. I've never used the Gnome or KDE pilot > packages. IIRC, the behaviour did change around the time I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.17-10, but I could be wrong about that. > > Gnome-Pilot does work, but I can't tell how it is connecting, all it says > > for 'Device' is 'usb:', no indication of what it's using in terms of a path > > to the device. > > Check your /var/log/messages - while Gnome-Pilot won't write there, > the kernel should notice and comment on the arrival of a USB device. Yeah, that was the first thing I checked, and what is kinda confusing. All the docs I've read say to hit sync in JPilot 1st, then hit the sync on the cradle. Doesn't seem to make sense if JPilot immediately goes looking for the device path, then errors out when it doesn't find the right one. Anyhow, I've tried every which way, no go. > > I've tried configuring J-Pilot to use /dev/ttyUSB0, USB1, etc., but none of > > them work, I just get an error from J-Pilot that there is no such file or > > directory. > > I don't fully understand this, so take my comments with a grain of > salt (and anyone who does understand, please enlighten us). I think > the ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1 links are created when the PDA is on and its > sync button is pressed. What I've found is that under certain > circumstances (which I haven't nailed down yet) I get this in > /var/log/messages: > > Mar 23 13:13:13 glo kernel: usb 5-2.2: new full speed USB device using > ehci_hcd and address 7 > Mar 23 13:13:31 glo kernel: usb 5-2.2: new full speed USB device using > ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 23 13:14:01 glo kernel: usb 5-2.2: new full speed USB device using > ehci_hcd and address 9 > (ad nauseum with increasing "address" numbers every couple seconds, > and no ttyUSB[01]) > > This behaviour fits with your problem, but you'll have to check if you > see this. A reboot will probably fix it, or you can run "modprobe -r > ehci_hcd" and try again if you don't mind breaking some of your USB > devices until you put the module back! It probably also reduces you > to USB 1.1 speeds? I don't want to risk breaking anything at this point :-) At least I can download my news fix from Avant Go for now... > > When I hit the sync button on the USB cradle, this is what comes up > > in /var/log/messages: > > > > Mar 23 00:27:02 node1 kernel: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using > > uhci_hcd and address 2 Mar 23 00:27:02 node1 kernel: usb 2-1: configuration > > #1 chosen from 1 choice > > That makes me think your problem isn't the same: when mine gets into > trouble, I never see this. I only see it when I'm not having trouble. Yeah, this is what's bugging me, as far as I can tell, every indication is that it should be 'just working'. I would almost be happier if I could see some sort of identifiable problem ;-) > Sorry this isn't a lot of help. Keep me informed. Will do! Thanks. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Fry: Ooh, Big Pink. It's the only gum with the breath freshening power of ham. Bender: And it pinkens your teeth while you chew. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 24 02:06:42 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Novel Linux Ads. Message-ID: <873478.4799.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Novel has done two ads that parody the Mac ads. In these ads you have the PC guy, the Mac guy and a young woman as Linux. Cute and very well done, the 2nd parody ad being the better of the two: http://blog.wired.com/cultofmac/2007/03/novell_launches.html A point I suspect would Novel would not want to touch in these sorts of ads is that fact that Mac and/or PC guy can be transformed into Linux woman... :-) . Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 24 02:21:39 2007 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:21:39 -0400 Subject: RIP Exchange Server? Message-ID: <20070323222139.498150ca@node1.freeyourmachine.org> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=343 -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Lucy Liu: That was incredible, Bender. You're like Jackie Chan before he got all doughy. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 24 02:41:18 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:41:18 -0400 Subject: RIP Exchange Server? In-Reply-To: <20070323222139.498150ca-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20070323222139.498150ca@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <1e55af990703231941l3a6ae8ama87406408fa08135@mail.gmail.com> On 3/23/07, JoeHill wrote: > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=343 quote: In 2006, market researchers at the Radicati Group found Microsoft Exchange to have 31 percent of the worldwide corporate messaging software market. IBM Domino/Notes/Workplace had 21 percent. And the "other" category was the remaining 48 percent. 48% "other" eh? well that shows some inept research. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 25 21:09:55 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:09:55 -0400 Subject: Novel Linux Ads. In-Reply-To: <873478.4799.qm-PUkK9LDfIAyB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <873478.4799.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4606E523.2060506@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > Novel has done two ads that parody the Mac ads. In > these ads you have the PC guy, the Mac guy and a young > woman as Linux. Cute and very well done, the 2nd > parody ad being the better of the two: > > http://blog.wired.com/cultofmac/2007/03/novell_launches.html > > A point I suspect would Novel would not want to touch > in these sorts of ads is that fact that Mac and/or PC > guy can be transformed into Linux woman... :-) . > > Colin McGregor > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > You can find more here. http://www.novell.com/video -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 25 22:25:51 2007 From: andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Malcolmson) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:25:51 -0400 Subject: OT: Looking fo a scanner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1174861551.10665.1181304213@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:51:01 -0400, "Alex Maynard" said: > > I am also looking for a scanner that gets a long well with linux. I'd > like > to get one with automatic form feed. It looks like the Canon LIDE 25 > scanner is a > flatbed. Has any one had a good experience with a form feed scanner on > linux (ubuntu) that they can recommend? Instead of getting a stand-aline scanner, why not get an All-in-One printer (i.e. print, scan, copy, & sometimes fax) with a top document feeder? While you're at it, get one with built-in networking. The HP C6180 is a reliable unit with a very efficient ink system (660 pages / black cartridge), built-in ethernet & wireless, and the document feeder gives you your form feed requirement. I know these are reliable because I support them for a living. The drivers for all HP All-in-Ones is provided by the hplip package on Debian & Ubuntu https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HpAllInOne > Alex > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, John McGregor wrote: > > > I recently bought a Canon LIDE 25 scanner at Staples ($79.95).At that > > price point, I didn't see any real advantage in getting a used scanner > > from another supplier. It works fine with Ubuntu 6.1 and MEPIS 6. > > > > John > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists ------------------- Andrew Malcolmson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 25 23:18:32 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:18:32 -0400 Subject: [OT] The Great Firewall of China Message-ID: <4606CB08.10692.EC05AD3@sciguy.vex.net> See if your URL is blocked in china: http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/ tlug.ss.org is not blocked! disney.com is not blocked! my Food Science website, alimentarus.net, *IS* blocked! What did I say to offend them? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 25 23:46:30 2007 From: jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OT] The Great Firewall of China In-Reply-To: <4606CB08.10692.EC05AD3-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <4606CB08.10692.EC05AD3@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <1306.192.168.0.96.1174866390.squirrel@canuckster.org> My URL works, but there isn't much there to offend them :-? > See if your URL is blocked in china: > > http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/ > > tlug.ss.org is not blocked! > disney.com is not blocked! > > my Food Science website, alimentarus.net, *IS* blocked! What did I say to > offend them? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 00:46:40 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:46:40 -0400 Subject: [OT] The Great Firewall of China In-Reply-To: <4606CB08.10692.EC05AD3-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <4606CB08.10692.EC05AD3@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <200703252046.41468.softquake@gmail.com> On Sunday 25 March 2007 19:18, Paul King wrote: > See if your URL is blocked in china: > > http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/ > > tlug.ss.org is not blocked! > disney.com is not blocked! > > my Food Science website, alimentarus.net, *IS* blocked! What did I say to > offend them? There was such an author, journalist, a Polish one, his name was Kapuscinski. His books were translateted all over the world and he got many prestigious awards. He was writing about his travels through the world. You may easy find his books in English in public libraries. One of his first travels was to China. He could not understand the idea of the wall. But, it seems, as he pointed out, that this idea is heavily rooted into the Chinese culture. zb. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From zuzhihui-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 02:03:26 2007 From: zuzhihui-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zu Zhihui) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:03:26 +0800 Subject: [OT] The Great Firewall of China In-Reply-To: <4606CB08.10692.EC05AD3-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <4606CB08.10692.EC05AD3@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <64360a0d0703251903q30efde05h43f09182ed43d459@mail.gmail.com> alimentarus.net is *NOT* blocked. I am in China and I can visit your site. The result that http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/ reported is not accurate. 2007/3/26, Paul King : > See if your URL is blocked in china: > > http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/ > > tlug.ss.org is not blocked! > disney.com is not blocked! > > my Food Science website, alimentarus.net, *IS* blocked! What did I say to > offend them? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 02:14:04 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OT] The Great Firewall of China In-Reply-To: <64360a0d0703251903q30efde05h43f09182ed43d459-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4606CB08.10692.EC05AD3@sciguy.vex.net> <64360a0d0703251903q30efde05h43f09182ed43d459@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50114.207.188.66.219.1174875244.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Back in the mid-80's, I spent a summer teaching grad school at the Shangai University of Technology. It was an amazing visit, we were treated with great hospitality. As one of my supplementary lectures, I explained the concept of the internet and how, in a few years, this would surely come to China. It's nice to see this come to pass, even with its limitations. Peter > alimentarus.net is *NOT* blocked. I am in China and I can visit your site. > > The result that http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/ reported is not > accurate. > > 2007/3/26, Paul King : >> See if your URL is blocked in china: >> >> http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/ >> >> tlug.ss.org is not blocked! >> disney.com is not blocked! >> >> my Food Science website, alimentarus.net, *IS* blocked! What did I say >> to >> offend them? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 02:34:14 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OT] The Great Firewall of China In-Reply-To: <64360a0d0703251903q30efde05h43f09182ed43d459-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <64360a0d0703251903q30efde05h43f09182ed43d459@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <456459.12471.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Zu Zhihui wrote: > alimentarus.net is *NOT* blocked. I am in China and > I can visit your site. > > The result that > http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/ reported is not > accurate. Well, have a look at the http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/ documentation. They note that they are doing testing via just one server in China, so a temporary problem with said server, or a temporary problem with DNS, or ... can cause false blocked reports. So, while stuff from The Great Firewall of China is interesting it isn't perfect. An oddity that I saw, The Great Firewall of China website reported that: torfree.net was blocked, yet: www.torfree.net wasn't blocked, and yes, both of the above point to the same web page... Odd... Colin McGregor > 2007/3/26, Paul King : > > See if your URL is blocked in china: > > > > http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/ > > > > tlug.ss.org is not blocked! > > disney.com is not blocked! > > > > my Food Science website, alimentarus.net, *IS* > blocked! What did I say to > > offend them? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 03:20:46 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:20:46 -0400 Subject: [OT] The Great Firewall of China In-Reply-To: <64360a0d0703251903q30efde05h43f09182ed43d459-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4606CB08.10692.EC05AD3@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <460703CE.15242.C7A15@sciguy.vex.net> > alimentarus.net is *NOT* blocked. I am in China and I can visit your site. > > The result that http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/ reported is not accurate. > I admit that the the docs on that website warned of that, but it is nice to hear good news from someone inside China, to verify that they were in fact, wrong. I have a fortune cookie page running on my site that I recall has some political commentary from scholars and politicians. I thought that was the reason for blocking it (there is nothing there about China, though). Thanks for your input. Paul King > 2007/3/26, Paul King : > > See if your URL is blocked in china: > > > > http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/ > > > > tlug.ss.org is not blocked! > > disney.com is not blocked! > > > > my Food Science website, alimentarus.net, *IS* blocked! What did I say to > > offend them? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 03:57:57 2007 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:57:57 -0400 Subject: [OT] The Great Firewall of China In-Reply-To: <200703252046.41468.softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4606CB08.10692.EC05AD3@sciguy.vex.net> <200703252046.41468.softquake@gmail.com> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10703252057hdb5bf9dg498b2bda2e6f0620@mail.gmail.com> On 3/25/07, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > There was such an author, journalist, a Polish one, his name was Kapuscinski. > His books were translateted all over the world and he got many prestigious > awards. He was writing about his travels through the world. You may easy find > his books in English in public libraries. One of my favourite authors... I have been waiting since last year for the English translation of his (posthumous... unfortunately) last book, 'Travels With Herodotus'... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 14:48:12 2007 From: slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slackrat) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:48:12 +0200 Subject: [OT] The Great Firewall of China In-Reply-To: <4606CB08.10692.EC05AD3-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> (Paul King's message of "Sun\, 25 Mar 2007 19\:18\:32 -0400") References: <4606CB08.10692.EC05AD3@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <87y7lk3vtf.fsf@azurservers.com> * "Paul King" a ?crit > my Food Science website, alimentarus.net, *IS* blocked! What did I say to > offend them? azurservers.com too is blocked I am very relieved to hear But it looks like some kind of scam to me anyway with a godaddy registration -- Regards, Slackrat [Bill Henderson] [No _4Q_ for direct email] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 15:01:46 2007 From: alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Alan Cohen) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:01:46 -0400 Subject: OT: card reader vs direct USB Message-ID: <1174921306.21668.8.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> I have several devices (audio recorder, camera) that can I connect to my box via USB. Would it be safer (ie: less static electricity problems) to remove their memory cards and put them in a card reader? In general, what is the rationale for using a card reader? -- Sincerely, Alan Cohen alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 15:14:10 2007 From: stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org (Stephen W. Clarke) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Installing Perl Modules with RPM In-Reply-To: <873478.4799.qm-PUkK9LDfIAyB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <873478.4799.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <11952.192.168.20.1.1174922050.squirrel@192.168.20.1> I have been in the habit of using CPAN to install perl modules onto servers. However, this time around I decided to try installing them with YUM/RPM onto my new Fedora Core 6 server. One of the modules I need is Time::HiRes which curiously was not available through yum. So I went looking and found an RPM at rpm.pbone.net. When I tried installing this rpm I got a conflict with perl-5.8.8-10. I little bit more Google work and it seems that perl-5.8.8-10 might have made Time::HiRes obsolete. Can any of you confirm or deny this? Thanks, Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 15:41:21 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:41:21 -0400 Subject: OT: card reader vs direct USB In-Reply-To: <1174921306.21668.8.camel-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <1174921306.21668.8.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Message-ID: <4607E9A1.9070709@utoronto.ca> Alan Cohen wrote: > I have several devices (audio recorder, camera) that can I connect to my > box via USB. > > Would it be safer (ie: less static electricity problems) to remove their > memory cards and put them in a card reader? In general, what is the > rationale for using a card reader? Depending on the memory card and the device it comes from the data transfer speeds in the card reader may be faster. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 16:07:01 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:07:01 -0400 Subject: OT: card reader vs direct USB In-Reply-To: <1174921306.21668.8.camel-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <1174921306.21668.8.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Message-ID: <4607EFA5.3000006@telly.org> Hi Alan, > Would it be safer (ie: less static electricity problems) to remove their > memory cards and put them in a card reader? In general, what is the > rationale for using a card reader? > It just seems like, in the devices I've seen, the memory card ejection system isn't designed for a lot of use -- especially the ones that are spring-loaded. Then there's the possibility of getting fingerprints or dirt on the contacts of the cards as they're being handled. It's probably less wear and tear on the devices to plug them in rather than swap cards, especially if you intend to do this often. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 16:17:06 2007 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:17:06 -0400 Subject: Installing Perl Modules with RPM In-Reply-To: <11952.192.168.20.1.1174922050.squirrel-Q0ErXNX1Ruawrfkd8+W2sQ@public.gmane.org> References: <873478.4799.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <11952.192.168.20.1.1174922050.squirrel@192.168.20.1> Message-ID: On 3/26/07, Stephen W. Clarke wrote: > > I have been in the habit of using CPAN to install perl modules onto > servers. However, this time around I decided to try installing them with > YUM/RPM onto my new Fedora Core 6 server. > > One of the modules I need is > Time::HiRes which curiously was not available through yum. So I went > looking and found an RPM at rpm.pbone.net. When I tried installing this > rpm I got a conflict with perl-5.8.8-10. I little bit more Google work and > it seems that perl-5.8.8-10 might have made Time::HiRes obsolete. > > Can any of you confirm or deny this? I just quickly nipped into #perl on freenode, and LeoNerd said he was running that combination fine. The list of CORE modules does seem to get longer with each release, but it seems that Time::HiRes isn't a CORE module yet. You could also ask on #fedora if you feel like braving IRC. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 16:53:12 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:53:12 -0400 Subject: OT: card reader vs direct USB In-Reply-To: <1174921306.21668.8.camel-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <1174921306.21668.8.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Message-ID: <4607FA78.9070704@rogers.com> Alan Cohen wrote: > I have several devices (audio recorder, camera) that can I connect to my > box via USB. > > Would it be safer (ie: less static electricity problems) to remove their > memory cards and put them in a card reader? In general, what is the > rationale for using a card reader? > Some people have more than one card. You don't have to run down the device battery You don't need custom software to talk to the device May be faster transfer etc. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 17:07:16 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:07:16 -0400 Subject: OT: Looking fo a scanner In-Reply-To: <1174861551.10665.1181304213-2RFepEojUI2N1INw9kWLP6GC3tUn3ZHUQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <1174861551.10665.1181304213@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20070326170716.GU22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 06:25:51PM -0400, Andrew Malcolmson wrote: > Instead of getting a stand-aline scanner, why not get an All-in-One > printer (i.e. print, scan, copy, & sometimes fax) with a top document > feeder? While you're at it, get one with built-in networking. > > The HP C6180 is a reliable unit with a very efficient ink system (660 > pages / black cartridge), built-in ethernet & wireless, and the document > feeder gives you your form feed requirement. I know these are reliable > because I support them for a living. > > The drivers for all HP All-in-Ones is provided by the hplip package on > Debian & Ubuntu > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HpAllInOne Well I believe that a device that does more than one thing usually does all of them less wel than a device that does one thing. It has worked for the unix tools for many years. Besides you might want a new pritner sooner than a new scanner, and then yu end up with an oversized monstrosity of a scanner with a useless print engine in it. To get a good scanner with transparency support, document feeder, etc, you generally have to get a purpose built scanner, not a design afterthought on an all in one printer. As for efficient, that HP better have real cheap ink cartridges if it only gets 660 pages per black cartridge. (A quick google search seems to indicate about $20 or so for a black cartridge, which is not too bad for an inkjet then. I still haven't seen an HP inkjet that got anywhere near the Epsons in print quality though, so I am still not a fan). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 17:14:53 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:14:53 -0400 Subject: OT: card reader vs direct USB In-Reply-To: <1174921306.21668.8.camel-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <1174921306.21668.8.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Message-ID: <20070326171453.GV22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:01:46AM -0400, Alan Cohen wrote: > I have several devices (audio recorder, camera) that can I connect to my > box via USB. > > Would it be safer (ie: less static electricity problems) to remove their > memory cards and put them in a card reader? In general, what is the > rationale for using a card reader? Many cameras were USB 1 while the card reader was USB2 making for much faster transfers. That is becoming less of an issue with newer cameras of course. Certainly just connecting a cable to the camera seems like the safest method. Of course another advantage of using a card reader is that you aren't wasting the baterries of the camera during the transfer. Some people have multiple cards that they swap in and out of the camera and may find it more convinient to use a card reader if the card isn't already in the camera. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 17:15:48 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:15:48 -0400 Subject: OT: card reader vs direct USB In-Reply-To: <4607FA78.9070704-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1174921306.21668.8.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> <4607FA78.9070704@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070326171548.GW22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 12:53:12PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Some people have more than one card. > You don't have to run down the device battery > You don't need custom software to talk to the device On any sane camera you should not need custom software. > May be faster transfer -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 17:25:49 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:25:49 -0400 Subject: Installing Perl Modules with RPM In-Reply-To: <11952.192.168.20.1.1174922050.squirrel-Q0ErXNX1Ruawrfkd8+W2sQ@public.gmane.org> References: <873478.4799.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <11952.192.168.20.1.1174922050.squirrel@192.168.20.1> Message-ID: <20070326172549.GX22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:14:10AM -0400, Stephen W. Clarke wrote: > I have been in the habit of using CPAN to install perl modules onto > servers. However, this time around I decided to try installing them with > YUM/RPM onto my new Fedora Core 6 server. > > One of the modules I need is > Time::HiRes which curiously was not available through yum. So I went > looking and found an RPM at rpm.pbone.net. When I tried installing this > rpm I got a conflict with perl-5.8.8-10. I little bit more Google work and > it seems that perl-5.8.8-10 might have made Time::HiRes obsolete. > > Can any of you confirm or deny this? Hmm, not sure. As for making packages, I must admit I am spoiled: # dh-make-perl --build --cpan Time::HiRes (assuming you fulfill the perl module dependancies in order of course) And out should come a ready to install .deb -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 18:08:02 2007 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: VirtualBox and Qemu networking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495234.51644.qm@web61316.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I tried to install windows (so that I can do my tax return with Ufile) with both Qemu and VirtualBox on Ubuntu 6.10 over the weekend. Windows 98 on VirtualBox was unbelievably slow while Windows Xp was fine. For Qemu Windows 98 was just fine. Getting host devices to the guests was a bit of a problem. I only managed the floppy and cdrom drives to work. I couldn't make USB key and network card (as well as the modem) accessible to the guest OSes. If anyone has success getting network connection from within the guest I love to hear. Thanks, EK --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail - --------------------------------- Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 19:36:07 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:36:07 -0400 Subject: VirtualBox and Qemu networking In-Reply-To: <495234.51644.qm-ddJm7Vz9uCWA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <495234.51644.qm@web61316.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070326193607.GY22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 02:08:02PM -0400, E K wrote: > I tried to install windows (so that I can do my tax return with Ufile) with both Qemu and VirtualBox on Ubuntu 6.10 over the weekend. Windows 98 on VirtualBox was unbelievably slow while Windows Xp was fine. For Qemu Windows 98 was just fine. > > Getting host devices to the guests was a bit of a problem. I only managed the floppy and cdrom drives to work. I couldn't make USB key and network card (as well as the modem) accessible to the guest OSes. If anyone has success getting network connection from within the guest I love to hear. Well I have only ever tried with vmware, which does usb and networking just fine, and vmware server is at least free to download and use. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 21:30:32 2007 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:30:32 -0400 Subject: VirtualBox and Qemu networking In-Reply-To: <495234.51644.qm-ddJm7Vz9uCWA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <495234.51644.qm@web61316.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070326173032.80e73efd.gstrom@teksavvy.com> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:08:02 -0400 (EDT) E K wrote: > Hi all, > > I tried to install windows (so that I can do my tax return with > Ufile) with both Qemu and VirtualBox on Ubuntu 6.10 over the weekend. Do you mean you've tried to do your taxes using Ubuntu and it's not working? I've done my tax return for the last 3 years at UFile using Slackware and Firefox without problems. -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 22:10:12 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:10:12 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding Message-ID: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> Hi all, I've only been coding for three years, so I am far from an expert. In that time though I've found a definite pattern and I am wondering how common it is. No matter how eager I am on a project, I run into these "blocks" where I lose all motivation. I try to push myself to code but inevitably, and often quickly, I just end up doing something else. I chide myself, try to get back at it, then drift off again. After a few days usually I am back into the swing of things and I can code morning to night without stopping. So first; how much does this happen to others here? Second; when it does, has anyone found a way to get themselves back on track? Thanks for any tips... Now I'll go back to trying to work again :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 22:13:47 2007 From: jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Spiro) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:13:47 -0400 Subject: hard disk encryption for laptop In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10703221548o479d1184h9ee99397ffced994-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10703221408o2f43e130i9f1dc2d5f79aaae0@mail.gmail.com> <1e55af990703221421j21949c5dp502aeac98a49154@mail.gmail.com> <61e9e2b10703221548o479d1184h9ee99397ffced994@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I am looking at encrypting everything, including swap - /boot might be > an exception, since I am not sure if I will keep it on disk... or set > it up for use on a separate USB stick. Is there any advantage to using a separate USB stick? -- Jason Spiro: computer consulting with a smile. I provide software development and training services to clients worldwide. Contact me for a FREE consultation. Satisfaction guaranteed. +1 (416) 781-5938 / Email: info-1hdvTAswZAHQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org / MSN: jasonspiro-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 22:36:07 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:36:07 -0400 Subject: hard disk encryption for laptop In-Reply-To: References: <61e9e2b10703221408o2f43e130i9f1dc2d5f79aaae0@mail.gmail.com> <1e55af990703221421j21949c5dp502aeac98a49154@mail.gmail.com> <61e9e2b10703221548o479d1184h9ee99397ffced994@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46084AD7.8080901@rogers.com> Jason Spiro wrote: >> I am looking at encrypting everything, including swap - /boot might be >> an exception, since I am not sure if I will keep it on disk... or set >> it up for use on a separate USB stick. > > Is there any advantage to using a separate USB stick? > It's easier to lock away in a safety deposit box. It also makes it easier to use the files on more than one computer, when a network isn't available. Incidentally, there was an interesting article on "encryptfs" in this month's Linux Journal. One point that stood out, was that you can mount the encrypted file system over the same unencrypted directory. This way, when you enable the encryption, you see the "clear text" files and when not, you get the encrpted files. This makes it easy to do backups, without having access to the key. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 22:39:22 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:39:22 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <460844C4.9070800-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <46084B9A.70108@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've only been coding for three years, so I am far from an expert. > In that time though I've found a definite pattern and I am wondering > how common it is. > > No matter how eager I am on a project, I run into these "blocks" > where I lose all motivation. I try to push myself to code but > inevitably, and often quickly, I just end up doing something else. I > chide myself, try to get back at it, then drift off again. After a few > days usually I am back into the swing of things and I can code morning > to night without stopping. > > So first; how much does this happen to others here? > > Second; when it does, has anyone found a way to get themselves back > on track? > > Thanks for any tips... Now I'll go back to trying to work again :) While I haven't written a lot of code, I have experienced that too. It's called "writer's block". You have to be in a condition where the ideas flow and that's not always on a fixed schedule. I found I often had good ideas, when I was doing something unrelated. I found the same thing happens when designing electronic circuits. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From pavel-XHBUQMKE58M at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 22:46:32 2007 From: pavel-XHBUQMKE58M at public.gmane.org (Pavel Zaitsev) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:46:32 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <46084B9A.70108-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46084B9A.70108@rogers.com> Message-ID: <9c509894b9930568c551f1523981c053@localhost> As well you can help yourself to be producer of not brilliant, but reliably good code. You make a plan, and eek out a bit of code every hour. It is sort of difference between columnists and poets and novel writers, that may not sufficent code for the project. I guess thats where the boundary in writing, skews towards engineering. You get reliable patterns and understand of the target, backed by experience, you can proceed on even foot. Cheers, Pavel > While I haven't written a lot of code, I have experienced that too. > It's called "writer's block". You have to be in a condition where the > ideas flow and that's not always on a fixed schedule. I found I often > had good ideas, when I was doing something unrelated. I found the same > thing happens when designing electronic circuits. -- Create Like a God, Command Like a King and Work Like a Slave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 22:56:12 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:56:12 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <460844C4.9070800-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <9D5BB507-E9C3-424C-9455-976A082802B9@visibleassets.com> On 26-Mar-07, at 6:10 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've only been coding for three years, so I am far from an > expert. In that time though I've found a definite pattern and I am > wondering how common it is. I've been coding for significantly longer than that. > > No matter how eager I am on a project, I run into these "blocks" > where I lose all motivation. I try to push myself to code but > inevitably, and often quickly, I just end up doing something else. > I chide myself, try to get back at it, then drift off again. After > a few days usually I am back into the swing of things and I can > code morning to night without stopping. > > So first; how much does this happen to others here? > Sometimes more, sometimes less, depends on the motivation to do the work. Interestingly I find it more appealing to work on OSS than for money. > Second; when it does, has anyone found a way to get themselves > back on track? Personally, I'd recommend realizing that you do this and go find something else to do when it happens. You're not going to be productive anyway, you might as well do something you enjoy ( I should take my own advice ;) ) There's plenty of studies around that have shown that anything beyond 40 hours a week is non -productive for any length of time, so coding day and night is short lived. There are some who can, but the majority of us can't. Dave > > Thanks for any tips... Now I'll go back to trying to work again :) > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 26 23:07:06 2007 From: dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org (Dave Bour) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:07:06 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding Message-ID: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F47302B1F0AF@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms> Hope no clients are here Happens on any project spanning more than 2 weeks or less if I'm burning out Solution. Good holiday or more projects. I try to juggle at least 3 projects, of which 2 must be totally different language, purpose, user groups etc. If I don't have paid work doing it, I take on a pet project, my own or a charity. Fact of life I learned to deal with over 20 years ago. I get bored easy. Can't help it. Variety is the spice of life they say D Dave Bour Desktop Solution Center 905.381.0077 dcbour at desktopsolutioncenter.ca For those who just want it to work... Giving you complete IT peace of mind. (Sent via Blackberry - hence message may be shorter than my usual verbose responses) PIN 4cc364db (as of March 24, 2007) ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-tlug at ss.org To: tlug at ss.org Sent: Mon Mar 26 18:10:12 2007 Subject: [TLUG]: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding Hi all, I've only been coding for three years, so I am far from an expert. In that time though I've found a definite pattern and I am wondering how common it is. No matter how eager I am on a project, I run into these "blocks" where I lose all motivation. I try to push myself to code but inevitably, and often quickly, I just end up doing something else. I chide myself, try to get back at it, then drift off again. After a few days usually I am back into the swing of things and I can code morning to night without stopping. So first; how much does this happen to others here? Second; when it does, has anyone found a way to get themselves back on track? Thanks for any tips... Now I'll go back to trying to work again :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I use a card reader because my readers are USB 2, they don't drain the camera battery, and because I have multiple cards. One other safety tip is that when someone trips over the USB cable (or my 9-month-old son pulls on it) the camera doesn't hit the floor, the card reader does. This is a big advantage for me. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 00:07:01 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:07:01 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <460844C4.9070800-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200703262007.01765.softquake@gmail.com> In my case what makes me most crazy, bored, stupid, silly and f*cking everything around are wrongly chosen clients who will bother you all the time by telephone, and in person sometime, take all my time. while paying little money. I avoid dealing with people who are poor in email communication. These who can not use email and prefer telephone are silly *** not worth wasting my time for them. My living in Canada wasn't easy. 5 wives left me, 11 girlfriends, I got old not noticing that on time. I would probably not be able at all to survive many years of trouble. If not one thing: I am curious about the world around. That curiosity means also: go to learn something entirely new. Learn another programming language. Or research who are reachest people in Canada and why? Or why there is no mirror images of stars on the opposite side of the sky. :) zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 00:08:41 2007 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:08:41 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <460844C4.9070800-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20070327000841.GB9690@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I find these blocks as well. I take a couple of approaches. 1. I ask for help on a forum specific to the problem-space or the language. 2. I write a bunch of comments for the code, as well as stub functions, so that if I'm not doing anything profound, I'm at least making progress. 3. Write a different piece of the project. 4. Try and solve my problem in another language. 5. Read a couple of web-comics. 6. Drink. 7. Go outside and feel the wind on my face. 8. Stretch, walk, or people-watch. 9. Explain the system to someone until I'm excited again. None of these happen in a particular order. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 00:32:20 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:32:20 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <20070327000841.GB9690-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> <20070327000841.GB9690@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200703262032.20821.softquake@gmail.com> On Monday 26 March 2007 20:08, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I find these blocks as well. I take a couple of approaches. > > 1. I ask for help on a forum specific to the problem-space or the > language. This forum has always been helpfull to me. Of course, it is very important to ask the question properly. > 2. I write a bunch of comments for the code, as well as stub functions, > so that if I'm not doing anything profound, I'm at least making > progress. The same. Commenting in the source code is very helpfull, in particular in long term. > 5. Read a couple of web-comics. I would rather go to read about politics on the Internet. Even on that somewhat crazy http://www.rense.com , or on Polish web sites.... Even Google News which are very biased.. still thats news. > 6. Drink. Happens. They say that this does not solve problems. It does not. Make you comfortable for a few hours or night. But very risky. I do not advise officially and even unofficially. > 7. Go outside and feel the wind on my face. Look on the sky and wonder about that miracle of infinity above us. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 02:52:25 2007 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:52:25 -0400 Subject: hard disk encryption for laptop In-Reply-To: <46084AD7.8080901-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10703221408o2f43e130i9f1dc2d5f79aaae0@mail.gmail.com> <1e55af990703221421j21949c5dp502aeac98a49154@mail.gmail.com> <61e9e2b10703221548o479d1184h9ee99397ffced994@mail.gmail.com> <46084AD7.8080901@rogers.com> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10703261952g6682d767t80058abf2ff6f4f2@mail.gmail.com> On 3/26/07, James Knott wrote: > Incidentally, there was an interesting article on "encryptfs" in this > month's Linux Journal. One point that stood out, was that you can mount > the encrypted file system over the same unencrypted directory. This > way, when you enable the encryption, you see the "clear text" files and > when not, you get the encrpted files. This makes it easy to do backups, > without having access to the key. I will take a look for that article... Thanks for pointing it out... I just installed Debian Etch RC2 to the laptop, and setup encrypted partitions during the installation... Easy and straightforward... I did a simple 3-partition scheme: unencrypted /boot, encrypted swap, encrypted / There is probably some performance penalty from using encryption... but its not apparent (at least to me) during normal usage... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 03:20:05 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:20:05 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <460844C4.9070800-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1174965605.8687.249.camel@stan64.site> My full time job, oh and I mean full time !is coding (well lately some sysadm has creep'd in). 22 years! and counting. Things I have done - to make programming fun and easy at all times: 1) seating and feeling good while programing. If you are going to program for say even only 8 hours a day, for say 40 years ... set aside a $.03 for each of those hours now, and buy, (as i have), a $1600.00-$2500.00 super chair, i have essentially a lazy boy recliner version of a programmers chair, and am programming in complete comfort at about a 45 degree incline. Its such a nice chair that i WANT to be in it. 2) by same logic as above, set aside another $0.02 and buy a pair of dual 22", 24" or 30" monitors so you have a proper programmers sized desktop! ok, actually i need four 30 monitors to be comfortable, but I am waiting for them to come down in price a bit and also have to consider the card(s) and machine to drive them. 3) try to lose yourself in the programming, and thus program at times you will not get interrupted. I find my best times to program are on weekend and from midnight to 8am for that reason, however I can alter my schedule and even alter my "holidays" to make up the time. 4) listen to tunes ... for me I always have, as of late, Queensryche blaring out of headphones at volumes that make a ipod at "10" seem like a whisper .. ok i exaggerate :) but I am rocking to tunes! 5) get paid well, not being happy about doing it is a sure way to become dejected. 6) use good programming tools that are efficient. I use slickedit, which for a linux programmer is a dream. I try to do most programming in one super language, i.e. Mono/C#, but at times I have to use C if for kernel programming and such. 7) get 2000 calories of exercise everyday, ymmv but get some exercise even if not 2000cal worth. try to get at least 20 min. of sweat generating exercise at a minimum each day. sitting all day is bad for circulation, even on a 2K$! If you bought a 4K$ massage chair that might be a different story but again your better off with the exercise regardless. 8) make sure you have an awsome keyboard, I use a split, humped ergo with touch pad at thumbs, so no need to reach for the mouse (i.e. no reason to be inefficent). 9) do all the things you were taught in school about modularizing your programming tasks, and such. I use "View your mind" a mind mapping tool, (http://www.insilmaril.de/vym/) and export to html, and TaskJuggler - to keep things organized. Having said that, if i had to report to a office and punch a clock, sit in a chair they provide for me, and on even a reasonably good system, I probably wouldn't be a happy efficient programmer, at least not for a 40 + year tour. -tl On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 18:10 -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've only been coding for three years, so I am far from an expert. In > that time though I've found a definite pattern and I am wondering how > common it is. > > No matter how eager I am on a project, I run into these "blocks" > where I lose all motivation. I try to push myself to code but > inevitably, and often quickly, I just end up doing something else. I > chide myself, try to get back at it, then drift off again. After a few > days usually I am back into the swing of things and I can code morning > to night without stopping. > > So first; how much does this happen to others here? > > Second; when it does, has anyone found a way to get themselves back > on track? > > Thanks for any tips... Now I'll go back to trying to work again :) > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 10:35:23 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:35:23 -0400 Subject: Microsoft tips for pitching to Linux geeks Message-ID: <1e55af990703270335h62264dfel9d26cc723a8fd776@mail.gmail.com> It's been shuffled around a bit, but the bulk of it is still here: http://www.sublimemedia.com/usCSI/uscsi_web.swf I learned about this from here: http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=339270778 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 11:25:01 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:25:01 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <1174965605.8687.249.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> <1174965605.8687.249.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <4608FF0D.5080600@rogers.com> tleslie wrote: > My full time job, oh and I mean full time !is coding (well lately some > sysadm has creep'd in). 22 years! and counting. > > Things I have done - to make programming fun and easy at all times: > > > 9) do all the things you were taught in school about modularizing your > programming tasks, and such. I use "View your mind" a mind mapping tool, > (http://www.insilmaril.de/vym/) and export to html, and TaskJuggler - > to keep things organized. > > Having said that, if i had to report to a office and punch a clock, sit > in a chair they provide for me, and on even a reasonably good system, I > probably wouldn't be a happy efficient programmer, at least not for a 40 > + year tour. > > You forgot 10) A good supply of Jolt and cold pizza slices. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rob-3Aypa9sX/B7wvR0lvYjcXw at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 12:28:01 2007 From: rob-3Aypa9sX/B7wvR0lvYjcXw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:28:01 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <4608FF0D.5080600-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> <1174965605.8687.249.camel@stan64.site> <4608FF0D.5080600@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46090DD1.9040307@luckdancing.com> I've been coding for a living since 1978 I guess, with a few breaks due to bad luck or bad planning or both. What I've found is that to live long and prosper as a coder you have to: - Learn your limits and respect them. Don't let other peoples needs or your own obsessions push you into neglecting your own needs to eat, sleep and be merry. I almost died in my 30's by not understanding that. There are some good tips in this thread about self-maintenance techniques. - Understand that it all comes in waves and organize your work to take advantage of this. Coding uses up a certain type of mental resource (Hackinium :-) ) but there are lots of project related work that doesn't. I try to set things up so that when I burn out on coding I can do something mindless until it comes back, like reading code and putting in blank lines and correcting indentations :-) If I burn out on computer work completely I do something like go to the Drummers in Exile and jump up and down for a while - http://drummersinexile.com/ - Don't get swallowed up in no win situations. No matter how grim it gets and as a survivor of Stalag Cobol I can tell you it gets pretty grim, if you can say 'It's just a job' at the end of the day and turn to something that gives you some sense of accomplishment then you won't feel like you have to die for the Emperor or whatever. Rob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 14:09:34 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:09:34 -0400 Subject: Microsoft tips for pitching to Linux geeks In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703270335h62264dfel9d26cc723a8fd776-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703270335h62264dfel9d26cc723a8fd776@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070327140934.GZ22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 06:35:23AM -0400, Sy Ali wrote: > It's been shuffled around a bit, but the bulk of it is still here: > http://www.sublimemedia.com/usCSI/uscsi_web.swf > > I learned about this from here: > http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=339270778 I am confused. Whatever is that for? Sure doesn't make much sense. Buttons bring up things unrelated to what you are looking at currently, and is there any useful information in there? Does microsoft think that is useful information to anyone? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 14:20:56 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:20:56 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <1174965605.8687.249.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> <1174965605.8687.249.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <20070327142056.GA22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:20:05PM -0400, tleslie wrote: > My full time job, oh and I mean full time !is coding (well lately some > sysadm has creep'd in). 22 years! and counting. > > Things I have done - to make programming fun and easy at all times: > > 1) seating and feeling good while programing. If you are going to > program for say even only 8 hours a day, for say 40 years ... set aside > a $.03 for each of those hours now, and buy, (as i have), a > $1600.00-$2500.00 super chair, i have essentially a lazy boy recliner > version of a programmers chair, and am programming in complete comfort > at about a 45 degree incline. Its such a nice chair that i WANT to be in > it. > 2) by same logic as above, set aside another $0.02 and buy a pair of > dual 22", 24" or 30" monitors so you have a proper programmers sized > desktop! ok, actually i need four 30 monitors to be comfortable, but I > am waiting for them to come down in price a bit and also have to > consider the card(s) and machine to drive them. Those 30" sure do look nice. Not sure I would even need more than one of those. > 3) try to lose yourself in the programming, and thus program at times > you will not get interrupted. I find my best times to program are on > weekend and from midnight to 8am for that reason, however I can alter my > schedule and even alter my "holidays" to make up the time. I have a wife and friends to see on the weekends and evenings, and coworkers to see during the daytime. :) > 4) listen to tunes ... for me I always have, as of late, Queensryche > blaring out of headphones at volumes that make a ipod at "10" seem like > a whisper .. ok i exaggerate :) but I am rocking to tunes! > 5) get paid well, not being happy about doing it is a sure way to become > dejected. Enjoying what you are working on is probably more important that just being paid well. Being paid well helps too if you don't enjoy it, but I don't think it will last very well. > 6) use good programming tools that are efficient. I use slickedit, which > for a linux programmer is a dream. I try to do most programming in one > super language, i.e. Mono/C#, but at times I have to use C if for kernel > programming and such. How can slickedit (whatever that is) possibly beat vim? > 7) get 2000 calories of exercise everyday, ymmv but get some exercise > even if not 2000cal worth. try to get at least 20 min. of sweat > generating exercise at a minimum each day. sitting all day is bad for > circulation, even on a 2K$! If you bought a 4K$ massage chair that might > be a different story but again your better off with the exercise > regardless. That is probably a very good idea. Not necesarily easy to get into the habit though. > 8) make sure you have an awsome keyboard, I use a split, humped ergo > with touch pad at thumbs, so no need to reach for the mouse (i.e. no > reason to be inefficent). Needing a mouse at all for programming generally means you have something setup infficiently. :) > 9) do all the things you were taught in school about modularizing your > programming tasks, and such. I use "View your mind" a mind mapping tool, > (http://www.insilmaril.de/vym/) and export to html, and TaskJuggler - > to keep things organized. Making a list of small things that have to be done in the project so you can check them off seems nice. If you think of something while working on something else, add it to the list rather than getting distracted by the new idea. > Having said that, if i had to report to a office and punch a clock, sit > in a chair they provide for me, and on even a reasonably good system, I > probably wouldn't be a happy efficient programmer, at least not for a 40 > + year tour. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 14:22:57 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:22:57 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <4608FF0D.5080600-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> <1174965605.8687.249.camel@stan64.site> <4608FF0D.5080600@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070327142257.GB22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 07:25:01AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > You forgot > 10) A good supply of Jolt and cold pizza slices. ;-) Ehm, no I think that would undo number 7. It took me some years to figure out, but caffeine is not a useful substance. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 15:02:05 2007 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:02:05 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <460844C4.9070800-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On 3/26/07, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've only been coding for three years, so I am far from an expert. In > that time though I've found a definite pattern and I am wondering how > common it is. > > No matter how eager I am on a project, I run into these "blocks" > where I lose all motivation. I try to push myself to code but > inevitably, and often quickly, I just end up doing something else. I > chide myself, try to get back at it, then drift off again. After a few > days usually I am back into the swing of things and I can code morning > to night without stopping. > > So first; how much does this happen to others here? > > Second; when it does, has anyone found a way to get themselves back > on track? > > Thanks for any tips... Now I'll go back to trying to work again :) I broke my leg in January '93 playing hockey. This meant I was stuck at home, after working as a C developer for over ten years. I didn't have a computer of my own, and reading books and watching TV got boring really fast. I started to imagine how I would write my own version of runoff, and what features I would add. I itched for a keyboard. Eventually a buddy of mine took pity on me lent me a spare computer of his (probably a 386/25), and I was able to install Borland's Turbo C and get going on this project. I'd been away from a computer 3-4 weeks by then and was aching to go. In about nine days, I wrote hundreds and hundreds of lines of code, implementing the features that I'd dreamed about. I rented a dot matrix printer and scoured the manual for the escape sequences; I determined the character widths by experimentation, and used micro-justification to implement proportional spacing. I did sub- and super-scripting. Once that initial burst was over, I tinkered with this and that piece of code, but I always remember how *not* writing any code for a while made me intensely productive. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you can get on exercise, good food and good sleep, you're doing much better. You'll need less caffeine when you want it too. -Mike (Who lacks the time dicipline to be able to keep his job and kick the coffee habit) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 15:26:14 2007 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: VirtualBox and Qemu networking In-Reply-To: <20070326173032.80e73efd.gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20070326173032.80e73efd.gstrom@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <74958.88159.qm@web61322.mail.yahoo.com> >> Hi all, >> >> I tried to install windows (so that I can do my tax return with >> Ufile) with both Qemu and VirtualBox on Ubuntu 6.10 over the weekend. > >Do you mean you've tried to do your taxes using Ubuntu and it's not >working? I've done my tax return for the last 3 years at UFile using >Slackware and Firefox without problems. > Online Ufile works fine. I decided to purchase the program as I will be doing returns for my friends as well. Ufile has only windows version. I didn't know that VMWare for linux was free. How does VMWare server differ from VMWare workstation? cheers, EK Glen Strom wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:08:02 -0400 (EDT) E K wrote: > Hi all, > > I tried to install windows (so that I can do my tax return with > Ufile) with both Qemu and VirtualBox on Ubuntu 6.10 over the weekend. Do you mean you've tried to do your taxes using Ubuntu and it's not working? I've done my tax return for the last 3 years at UFile using Slackware and Firefox without problems. -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! 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Does microsoft think that > is useful information to anyone? > The useful information to me is what this says about Microsoft's views of its own channel. :-) - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 15:54:58 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:54:58 -0400 Subject: VirtualBox and Qemu networking In-Reply-To: <74958.88159.qm-I0FLLw3AZCWA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <74958.88159.qm@web61322.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46093E52.6010105@ve3syb.ca> E K wrote: > I didn't know that VMWare for linux was free. How does VMWare server > differ from VMWare workstation? If it is free for Linux, it could be worth looking at. The problem I see is the lack of useful information on the vmware website. They don't indicate which operating system you need to run in order to use the evaluation software that they send via e-mail as part of their "Virtualization starter". It doesn't list how fast a machine you need to use vmware or how much slower things will be in the guest OS when using vmware. My machine is slow compared to modern machines. I notice a drop in performance when running Windows programs using Wine. I also notice that running something via Qemu is slower than running the same thing natively. None of these virtualization sites make it clear whether I can make use of an existing Windows partition or whether I need to do a Windows install within the virtual environment along with installing all the other Windows apps I may want to continue using. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 16:47:11 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:47:11 -0400 Subject: Microsoft tips for pitching to Linux geeks In-Reply-To: <46093C45.6040400-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703270335h62264dfel9d26cc723a8fd776@mail.gmail.com> <20070327140934.GZ22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46093C45.6040400@telly.org> Message-ID: <1175014031.10825.37.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Tue, 2007-03-27 at 11:46 -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> http://www.sublimemedia.com/usCSI/uscsi_web.swf > >> > >> I learned about this from here: > >> http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=339270778 > >> > > > > I am confused. Whatever is that for? Sure doesn't make much sense. > > Buttons bring up things unrelated to what you are looking at currently, > > and is there any useful information in there? Does microsoft think that > > is useful information to anyone? > > > > The useful information to me is what this says about Microsoft's views > of its own channel. :-) I love Microsoft marketing. When we were a MCSP and got the marketing kits they were always full of contradictions. In this one I find it interesting that: The Windows shop (called the Linux Experimenter) spends $830K on IT The Linux shop (called the Linux Aficianado) is spending $703K. Both have the same number of PCs (160 vs. 153) and the workload is very similar but the Linux shop requires fewer server systems (50 vs 25). That sounds like a TCO measurement in favour of Linux. The Windows shop also states that the next server will be Windows (46%) or Linux (42%) -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org ph: 518-883-1172 x5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are going to > > program for say even only 8 hours a day, for say 40 years ... set aside > > a $.03 for each of those hours now, and buy, (as i have), a > > $1600.00-$2500.00 super chair, i have essentially a lazy boy recliner > > version of a programmers chair, and am programming in complete comfort > > at about a 45 degree incline. Its such a nice chair that i WANT to be in > > it. > > 2) by same logic as above, set aside another $0.02 and buy a pair of > > dual 22", 24" or 30" monitors so you have a proper programmers sized > > desktop! ok, actually i need four 30 monitors to be comfortable, but I > > am waiting for them to come down in price a bit and also have to > > consider the card(s) and machine to drive them. > > Those 30" sure do look nice. Not sure I would even need more than one > of those. > > > 3) try to lose yourself in the programming, and thus program at times > > you will not get interrupted. I find my best times to program are on > > weekend and from midnight to 8am for that reason, however I can alter my > > schedule and even alter my "holidays" to make up the time. > > I have a wife and friends to see on the weekends and evenings, and > coworkers to see during the daytime. :) > > > 4) listen to tunes ... for me I always have, as of late, Queensryche > > blaring out of headphones at volumes that make a ipod at "10" seem like > > a whisper .. ok i exaggerate :) but I am rocking to tunes! > > 5) get paid well, not being happy about doing it is a sure way to become > > dejected. > > Enjoying what you are working on is probably more important that just > being paid well. Being paid well helps too if you don't enjoy it, but I > don't think it will last very well. > > > 6) use good programming tools that are efficient. I use slickedit, which > > for a linux programmer is a dream. I try to do most programming in one > > super language, i.e. Mono/C#, but at times I have to use C if for kernel > > programming and such. > > How can slickedit (whatever that is) possibly beat vim? Vim and emacs are built into slcikedit!!! is that cool or what!!! > > > 7) get 2000 calories of exercise everyday, ymmv but get some exercise > > even if not 2000cal worth. try to get at least 20 min. of sweat > > generating exercise at a minimum each day. sitting all day is bad for > > circulation, even on a 2K$! If you bought a 4K$ massage chair that might > > be a different story but again your better off with the exercise > > regardless. > > That is probably a very good idea. Not necesarily easy to get into the > habit though. > > > 8) make sure you have an awsome keyboard, I use a split, humped ergo > > with touch pad at thumbs, so no need to reach for the mouse (i.e. no > > reason to be inefficent). > > Needing a mouse at all for programming generally means you have > something setup infficiently. :) > > > 9) do all the things you were taught in school about modularizing your > > programming tasks, and such. I use "View your mind" a mind mapping tool, > > (http://www.insilmaril.de/vym/) and export to html, and TaskJuggler - > > to keep things organized. > > Making a list of small things that have to be done in the project so you > can check them off seems nice. If you think of something while working > on something else, add it to the list rather than getting distracted by > the new idea. > > > Having said that, if i had to report to a office and punch a clock, sit > > in a chair they provide for me, and on even a reasonably good system, I > > probably wouldn't be a happy efficient programmer, at least not for a 40 > > + year tour. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 17:51:09 2007 From: myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles A. Braithwaite) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Microsoft tips for pitching to Linux geeks In-Reply-To: <20070327140934.GZ22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070327140934.GZ22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <17621911.31175017863803.JavaMail.root@mail.monkeyinyoursoul.com> I thin it is some type of sales kit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lennart Sorensen" To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: 27 March 2007 10:09:34 o'clock (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Microsoft tips for pitching to Linux geeks On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 06:35:23AM -0400, Sy Ali wrote: > It's been shuffled around a bit, but the bulk of it is still here: > http://www.sublimemedia.com/usCSI/uscsi_web.swf > > I learned about this from here: > http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=339270778 I am confused. Whatever is that for? Sure doesn't make much sense. Buttons bring up things unrelated to what you are looking at currently, and is there any useful information in there? Does microsoft think that is useful information to anyone? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Myles A. Braithwaite http://claimid.com/myles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 20:57:13 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:57:13 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0703270807u56a3352eq3726a7958dbf9054-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> <1174965605.8687.249.camel@stan64.site> <4608FF0D.5080600@rogers.com> <20070327142257.GB22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <92ee967a0703270807u56a3352eq3726a7958dbf9054@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070327205713.GC22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 11:07:15AM -0400, Mike Kallies wrote: > Very much agreed here. Caffeine is the credit card of sleep. You've > got to pay it all back sometime. > > If you can get on exercise, good food and good sleep, you're doing > much better. You'll need less caffeine when you want it too. I think it has been probably 2 years since I had any real amount of caffiene (I don't eat that much chocolate). Never did like coffee, and I simply don't have any more Colas either. Result is that I sleep better, my stomach isn't upset any more, and I can get up in the morning, and am no longer tending towards a 26 or 28 hour day (which only just works in university, but sure doesn't in real life). Now if I could just get into the exercise habit. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 21:01:43 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:01:43 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <1175015352.8687.275.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> <1174965605.8687.249.camel@stan64.site> <20070327142056.GA22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1175015352.8687.275.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <20070327210143.GD22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 01:09:12PM -0400, tleslie wrote: > Vim and emacs are built into slcikedit!!! is that cool or what!!! I think I will stick with an editor I can fix if it has bugs, and which I don't have to pay for, and which I can install with apt-get, and can be used by anyone logged into my machines at any time. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 21:04:21 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:04:21 -0400 Subject: VirtualBox and Qemu networking In-Reply-To: <74958.88159.qm-I0FLLw3AZCWA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20070326173032.80e73efd.gstrom@teksavvy.com> <74958.88159.qm@web61322.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070327210421.GE22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 11:26:14AM -0400, E K wrote: > Online Ufile works fine. I decided to purchase the program as I will be doing returns for my friends as well. Ufile has only windows version. > > I didn't know that VMWare for linux was free. How does VMWare server differ from VMWare workstation? Well so far I have managed to find that with server you can have virtual machines running in the background automatically at startup, and have them automatically shut down at shutdown, and you can connect remotely to vmware server sessions giving neat remote admin abilities. As for what vmware workstation actually gives you that server doesn't, I haven't actually managed to find anything yet, which I find very odd. vmware server is free for both linux and windows. workstation costs money for linux and windows, as do the advanced versions of vmware server (ESX/GSX/etc). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 21:06:56 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:06:56 -0400 Subject: Microsoft tips for pitching to Linux geeks In-Reply-To: <20070327140934.GZ22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703270335h62264dfel9d26cc723a8fd776@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46094F30.7426.18CA96@sciguy.vex.net> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 06:35:23AM -0400, Sy Ali wrote: > > It's been shuffled around a bit, but the bulk of it is still here: > > http://www.sublimemedia.com/usCSI/uscsi_web.swf > > > > I learned about this from here: > > http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=339270778 > > I am confused. Whatever is that for? Sure doesn't make much sense. > Buttons bring up things unrelated to what you are looking at currently, > and is there any useful information in there? Does microsoft think that > is useful information to anyone? I think you are missing the point. The Flash animation seems to be aimed at Microsoft sellers and resellers. The purpose appears to be to train people on how to pitch Micro$soft to Linux users, and to convince them to change their platforms, both on the desktop and in the infrastructure of businesses. Pretty slickly produced, for something just aimed at Microsoft insiders. Paul King > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > __________ NOD32 2148 (20070327) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 21:10:55 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:10:55 -0400 Subject: VirtualBox and Qemu networking In-Reply-To: <46093E52.6010105-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <74958.88159.qm@web61322.mail.yahoo.com> <46093E52.6010105@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20070327211055.GF22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 11:54:58AM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: > If it is free for Linux, it could be worth looking at. The problem I see is > the lack of useful information on the vmware website. > > They don't indicate which operating system you need to run in order to use > the evaluation software that they send via e-mail as part of their > "Virtualization starter". Well vmware workstation for linux should run on any linux distribution that is running on x86 (or x86_64 too with the right 32bit libraries). They have an rpm version (which I have never used) and a .tar.gz which has a handy perl installer that I use to load it into /usr/local/bin (and a perl uninstaller that cleans up perfectly too). I believe someone has played around with making ubuntu/debian packages but I have never actually looked at them. > It doesn't list how fast a machine you need to use vmware or how much > slower things will be in the guest OS when using vmware. My machine is slow > compared to modern machines. I notice a drop in performance when running > Windows programs using Wine. I also notice that running something via Qemu > is slower than running the same thing natively. qemu is an emulator, hence it is slow. Of course because it is an emulator it doens't require an x86 system to run on. vmware is NOT an emulator, it just virtualizes the ahrdware (so hardware access are emulated), while software runs natively on the system cpu with no translation. The main requirement for decent perforance with vmware is RAM. You need the ram for your host system plus the ram needed for the guest as if each was running seperately pretty much to get that kind of performance. Other than that it is no big deal. Of course you do not get direct3D and such since it isn't going to emulate a 3D video card. It does provide drivers for windows (and X has native vmware drivers already) which are optimized to know that they are dealing with emulated video and hence get very good performance. Linux guests also get a vmxnet driver to use instead of the emulated pcnet32 which gets the same benefits of knowing that it isn't real hardware and bypassing the emulation. > None of these virtualization sites make it clear whether I can make use of > an existing Windows partition or whether I need to do a Windows install > within the virtual environment along with installing all the other Windows > apps I may want to continue using. You can use an existing windows partition, and I have done so. You have to install the right device drivers in a seperate profile within windows to do it though, and then select the hardware profile at boot that matches where you are running windows. Laptops with docking stations used to use different profiles in windows too before docking stations where hotplug capable. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 21:11:39 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:11:39 -0400 Subject: VirtualBox and Qemu networking In-Reply-To: <20070327211055.GF22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <74958.88159.qm@web61322.mail.yahoo.com> <46093E52.6010105@ve3syb.ca> <20070327211055.GF22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070327211139.GG22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 05:10:55PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well vmware workstation for linux should run on any linux distribution > that is running on x86 (or x86_64 too with the right 32bit libraries). > They have an rpm version (which I have never used) and a .tar.gz which > has a handy perl installer that I use to load it into /usr/local/bin > (and a perl uninstaller that cleans up perfectly too). I believe > someone has played around with making ubuntu/debian packages but I have > never actually looked at them. And vmware server and vmware player, etc. All x86. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 21:13:40 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:13:40 -0400 Subject: Microsoft tips for pitching to Linux geeks In-Reply-To: <1175014031.10825.37.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703270335h62264dfel9d26cc723a8fd776@mail.gmail.com> <20070327140934.GZ22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46093C45.6040400@telly.org> <1175014031.10825.37.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <20070327211340.GH22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 12:47:11PM -0400, John Van Ostrand wrote: > I love Microsoft marketing. When we were a MCSP and got the marketing > kits they were always full of contradictions. > > In this one I find it interesting that: > > The Windows shop (called the Linux Experimenter) spends $830K on IT > The Linux shop (called the Linux Aficianado) is spending $703K. > > Both have the same number of PCs (160 vs. 153) and the workload is very > similar but the Linux shop requires fewer server systems (50 vs 25). Well that part sounds downright honest. > That sounds like a TCO measurement in favour of Linux. Well that would be realistic after all. Probably takes less admins to keep the servers patched and up to date and running too with linux. > The Windows shop also states that the next server will be Windows (46%) > or Linux (42%) The rest probably want dos or solaris. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 21:14:52 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:14:52 -0400 Subject: Microsoft tips for pitching to Linux geeks In-Reply-To: <46094F30.7426.18CA96-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990703270335h62264dfel9d26cc723a8fd776@mail.gmail.com> <46094F30.7426.18CA96@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <20070327211452.GI22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 05:06:56PM -0400, Paul King wrote: > I think you are missing the point. The Flash animation seems to be aimed at > Microsoft sellers and resellers. The purpose appears to be to train people on > how to pitch Micro$soft to Linux users, and to convince them to change their > platforms, both on the desktop and in the infrastructure of businesses. Pretty > slickly produced, for something just aimed at Microsoft insiders. Well sure, but they are missing the point and probably will do very badly if they try to apply that load of nonsense to displace linux usage. Not that I mind them doing badly at that. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 21:20:17 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:20:17 -0500 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <20070327205713.GC22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> <1174965605.8687.249.camel@stan64.site> <4608FF0D.5080600@rogers.com> <20070327142257.GB22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <92ee967a0703270807u56a3352eq3726a7958dbf9054@mail.gmail.com> <20070327205713.GC22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1e55af990703271420o6cfcfb6arb156ecd7a218b7f9@mail.gmail.com> On 3/27/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I think it has been probably 2 years since I had any real amount of > caffiene (I don't eat that much chocolate). Never did like coffee, and > I simply don't have any more Colas either. > > Result is that I sleep better, my stomach isn't upset any more, and I > can get up in the morning, and am no longer tending towards a 26 or 28 > hour day (which only just works in university, but sure doesn't in real > life). Now if I could just get into the exercise habit. I kicked sugar entirely. I don't eat/drink anything which lists any kind of sugar or sugar-esque ingredient. (or preservatives, or hydrogenated/modified ingredients ...) The result has been a more lucid life experience. It's just a subtle shift sometimes, but at other times it's quite notable. --+ I sit down to do a bit of programming (go Ruby go!) and even when just sitting around writing some comments or pseudocode I have hugely cool ideas. But I have days when I can re-read my comments and not feel the same whole-idea-grasping which I originally did. That grasping seems to come and go depending upon my mood. So since I'm barely a hobbyist, I just sit down to it whenever I'm inspired, and when I'm not .. I don't. =) But if I wanted to take it more seriously, scheduling a little bit of time to do anything related to the topic would be a help. "Teach Yourself Programming in Ten Years" was an interesting read: http://www.norvig.com/21-days.html Doing "peripheral things" when not focused on a primary skill itself has helped strengthen a number of skills. Even writers have the notion of sitting down and writing *anything* even though it's crap.. because sometimes a gem can be found, but at the least there's practise to be had even while spinning one's wheels a bit. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 21:22:08 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:22:08 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703271420o6cfcfb6arb156ecd7a218b7f9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> <1174965605.8687.249.camel@stan64.site> <4608FF0D.5080600@rogers.com> <20070327142257.GB22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <92ee967a0703270807u56a3352eq3726a7958dbf9054@mail.gmail.com> <20070327205713.GC22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1e55af990703271420o6cfcfb6arb156ecd7a218b7f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070327212208.GJ22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 04:20:17PM -0500, Sy Ali wrote: > I kicked sugar entirely. I don't eat/drink anything which lists any > kind of sugar or sugar-esque ingredient. (or preservatives, or > hydrogenated/modified ingredients ...) I don't think I could give up sugar. :) Hydrogenated stuff, probably. I do try to avoid buying stuff with that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 21:29:05 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:29:05 -0500 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <20070327212208.GJ22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> <1174965605.8687.249.camel@stan64.site> <4608FF0D.5080600@rogers.com> <20070327142257.GB22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <92ee967a0703270807u56a3352eq3726a7958dbf9054@mail.gmail.com> <20070327205713.GC22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1e55af990703271420o6cfcfb6arb156ecd7a218b7f9@mail.gmail.com> <20070327212208.GJ22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1e55af990703271429rade60cercb535be2013f675e@mail.gmail.com> On 3/27/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I don't think I could give up sugar. :) I briefly pondered giving up anything which was genetically modified or otherwise fiddled with to add more sugar, but that's just insane. =) But at least I'm learning to read through the brilliant lies on labels. Concentrated orange juice? sugar. Bread with an ingredient of "buttermilk" .. hmm.. sugar. "Milk ingredients" .. uh.. just run away But seriously, I can do later nights with less sleep.. survive on naps etc. All I need is a bit of inspiration and the need for sleep goes away. This has helped with many a late night, including researching and bits of hobby-programming. --+ And the workout comments are valid.. that does help, if you've got a body that can handle it. I have a rough time sleeping sometimes. But then I just have more awake-time to do stuff. =) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 23:11:02 2007 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:11:02 +0200 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <9c509894b9930568c551f1523981c053@localhost> References: <46084B9A.70108@rogers.com> <9c509894b9930568c551f1523981c053@localhost> Message-ID: <4609A486.9050208@visible-assets.com> I think iterative approaches are good for getting out of slumps. When I find that I feel unmotivated, or at times overwhelmed, by a project, then I break it down into smaller problems. Smaller problems are always easier to solve. You would be very surprised how quickly a lot of small parts add up to a big difference ;-) ~/Chris Pavel Zaitsev wrote: > As well you can help yourself to be producer of not brilliant, but reliably good code. You make a plan, and eek out a bit of code every hour. It is sort of difference between columnists and poets and novel writers, that may not sufficent code for the project. > I guess thats where the boundary in writing, skews towards engineering. You get reliable patterns and understand of the target, backed by experience, you can proceed on even foot. > > Cheers, > Pavel > >> While I haven't written a lot of code, I have experienced that too. >> It's called "writer's block". You have to be in a condition where the >> ideas flow and that's not always on a fixed schedule. I found I often >> had good ideas, when I was doing something unrelated. I found the same >> thing happens when designing electronic circuits. > > -- > Create Like a God, Command Like a King and Work Like a Slave > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 23:15:03 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:15:03 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703271429rade60cercb535be2013f675e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> <1174965605.8687.249.camel@stan64.site> <4608FF0D.5080600@rogers.com> <20070327142257.GB22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <92ee967a0703270807u56a3352eq3726a7958dbf9054@mail.gmail.com> <20070327205713.GC22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1e55af990703271420o6cfcfb6arb156ecd7a218b7f9@mail.gmail.com> <20070327212208.GJ22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1e55af990703271429rade60cercb535be2013f675e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070327231503.GK22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 04:29:05PM -0500, Sy Ali wrote: > I briefly pondered giving up anything which was genetically modified > or otherwise fiddled with to add more sugar, but that's just insane. > =) > > But at least I'm learning to read through the brilliant lies on labels. > > Concentrated orange juice? sugar. Sure. Makes sense. Fructose is a good sugar. > Bread with an ingredient of "buttermilk" .. hmm.. sugar. Well sometimes it is used with or in place of yeast to give some rise to the bread, although most often for rye breads. > "Milk ingredients" .. uh.. just run away Milk has ingredients? I always wondered about that. I guess you could break it down into milk fats, water, calciam, etc, but are they really milk ingredients? Not sure it is a good source of sugars though. > But seriously, I can do later nights with less sleep.. survive on naps > etc. All I need is a bit of inspiration and the need for sleep goes > away. This has helped with many a late night, including researching > and bits of hobby-programming. > > --+ > > And the workout comments are valid.. that does help, if you've got a > body that can handle it. I have a rough time sleeping sometimes. But > then I just have more awake-time to do stuff. =) I suspect people who do it build up to handle it. -- Len -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 23:34:56 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:34:56 -0400 Subject: What Is The Linux Version Of ... Message-ID: As followup to one of the discussions that came up yesterday at the board meeting, I set up the following wiki page: http://gtalug.org/wiki/LinuxVersionOf It seeks to answer the question: "What is the Linux Version of ..." It's woefully incomplete, answering the question for only a few values. Feel free to augment it to additional applications that people ask about :-). -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 27 23:59:47 2007 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:59:47 -0400 Subject: tips needed; dealing with mental block while coding In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703271420o6cfcfb6arb156ecd7a218b7f9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <460844C4.9070800@alteeve.com> <1174965605.8687.249.camel@stan64.site> <4608FF0D.5080600@rogers.com> <20070327142257.GB22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <92ee967a0703270807u56a3352eq3726a7958dbf9054@mail.gmail.com> <20070327205713.GC22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1e55af990703271420o6cfcfb6arb156ecd7a218b7f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070327195947.84be6eaf.gstrom@teksavvy.com> This thread reminded me of something I read many years ago when I was studying music at Humber College. It was said that Joseph Haydn would pray for inspiration. I found this passage about him: "A friend paid a visit to Haydn and enquired about the secrets of his so many masterpieces. Haydn said, I am an early riser. After the attending to my personal hygiene the first thing I do is to pray to God for inspiration to create music. After I finish my breakfast, I seat myself at the piano and start to create musical notes naturally flowing down my fingers. When my inspiration was exhausted, I knelt down to pray, keeping reflecting on my defects. Not until I felt that God had forgiven me would I re-seat myself at the piano to continue with my creation." Perhaps there are certain programming languages that would lend itself to this approach better than others. Since I'm not a programmer I couldn't suggest which languages, but I suspect some of you might have have one or two in mind. ;-> -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 28 01:37:57 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What Is The Linux Version Of ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50907.207.188.67.254.1175045877.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > It's woefully incomplete, answering the question for only a few > values. Feel free to augment it to additional applications that > people ask about :-). I understand that The Gimp is a useful alternative to Photoshop. I don't use either, so others would have to validate that. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 28 02:37:28 2007 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:37:28 -0400 Subject: What Is The Linux Version Of ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070327223728.5ad392e8@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Christopher Browne wrote: > As followup to one of the discussions that came up yesterday at the > board meeting, I set up the following wiki page: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/LinuxVersionOf > > It seeks to answer the question: "What is the Linux Version of ..." > > It's woefully incomplete, answering the question for only a few > values. Feel free to augment it to additional applications that > people ask about :-). I'm about 5 years out of date in terms of knowing what the current equivalents are on the lesser OS, praise be, but there are several packages I can think of on Linux that must have *something* approaching a bearable alternative on Windows: mplayer, gaim, jabber, x-chat, ekiga, nvu, gnucash, xmms, and brethren, and of course... ...the infinite number of terminal emulators, which make the windows 'command prompt' look like it's written with 10 lines of BASIC :-) +, who here would rather learn bash scripting than Visual Basic? What, no one for VB?? Perhaps there could be a section on software that has no *free* equivalent on Windows? Just to be cute (I could be wrong on these, like I say, I'm a bit out of date on Windows): gtkam, jpilot, any video software that plays DVD's (assuming Windows still does not ship with a native DVD player), dvdauthor, cdrkit, blender, sodipodi, xsane, bogofilter, spammassassin, procmail ;-) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: Hey, that's my last beer, you bastard. I'll kill you! Fry: I'll kill you too, buddy, I'll kill you too. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 28 03:40:03 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:40:03 -0400 Subject: What Is The Linux Version Of ... In-Reply-To: <20070327223728.5ad392e8-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20070327223728.5ad392e8@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <4609E393.8060200@ve3syb.ca> JoeHill wrote: > I'm about 5 years out of date in terms of knowing what the current equivalents > are on the lesser OS, praise be, but there are several packages I can think of > on Linux that must have *something* approaching a bearable alternative on > Windows: mplayer, gaim, jabber, x-chat, ekiga, nvu, gnucash, xmms, and > brethren, and of course... Some of the packages you mention are multi-platform. GAIM, Nvu (IIRC), and Blender are available for Windows Linux, and possibly other OS as well. Nvu would be the Linux version of something like Dreamweaver, or possibly Front Page (both commercial apps). Inkscape or Skencil (vector based graphics editors) could be compared to Adobe Illustrator. Scribus could be compared to whatever is one of the main Windows desktop publishing programs. I can't remember the name of one of the Windows DTP programs right now. Delphi is (or was) available for Linux at one point. I seem to recall checking out a version of it on my machine briefly. And, yes, GIMP is a more than reasonable alternative to Photoshop for most people who aren't involved in working on stuff that needs to be sent to print shops. If you want to list alternatives to IE, there is a long list starting with Firefox, Netscape, Mozilla, and Opera. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 28 04:33:43 2007 From: jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What Is The Linux Version Of ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Christopher Browne wrote: > As followup to one of the discussions that came up yesterday at the > board meeting, I set up the following wiki page: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/LinuxVersionOf > It seeks to answer the question: "What is the Linux Version of ..." I don't use it myself, but isn't KOffice a valid alternative to MS Office? JV -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 28 11:29:19 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:29:19 -0400 Subject: What Is The Linux Version Of ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <460A518F.1080201@rogers.com> John Vetterli wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Christopher Browne wrote: >> As followup to one of the discussions that came up yesterday at the >> board meeting, I set up the following wiki page: >> http://gtalug.org/wiki/LinuxVersionOf >> It seeks to answer the question: "What is the Linux Version of ..." > > I don't use it myself, but isn't KOffice a valid alternative to MS > Office? > I suspect OpenOffice is a better comparison. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 28 12:30:48 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:30:48 -0400 Subject: What Is The Linux Version Of ... In-Reply-To: <460A518F.1080201-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <460A518F.1080201@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 3/28/07, James Knott wrote: > John Vetterli wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Christopher Browne wrote: > >> As followup to one of the discussions that came up yesterday at the > >> board meeting, I set up the following wiki page: > >> http://gtalug.org/wiki/LinuxVersionOf > >> It seeks to answer the question: "What is the Linux Version of ..." > > > > I don't use it myself, but isn't KOffice a valid alternative to MS > > Office? > > > > I suspect OpenOffice is a better comparison. For newcomers, "slavish similarity" is likely more suitable, and OO definitely aims more at that... It's worth observing that there are totally different approaches, such as with TeX/LaTeX, which is "GUIed" as Lyx. I'd much rather write a book using LaTeX than using any sort of emulation of MS Word, personally. But yeah, the "slavish similarity" approach probably provides simpler answers for newcomers who are afraid they won't have any applications to work with. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 28 13:36:45 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:36:45 -0400 Subject: What Is The Linux Version Of ... In-Reply-To: References: <460A518F.1080201@rogers.com> Message-ID: <460A6F6D.8080603@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > On 3/28/07, James Knott wrote: >> John Vetterli wrote: >> > On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Christopher Browne wrote: >> >> As followup to one of the discussions that came up yesterday at the >> >> board meeting, I set up the following wiki page: >> >> http://gtalug.org/wiki/LinuxVersionOf >> >> It seeks to answer the question: "What is the Linux Version of ..." >> > >> > I don't use it myself, but isn't KOffice a valid alternative to MS >> > Office? >> > >> >> I suspect OpenOffice is a better comparison. > > For newcomers, "slavish similarity" is likely more suitable, and OO > definitely aims more at that... > > It's worth observing that there are totally different approaches, such > as with TeX/LaTeX, which is "GUIed" as Lyx. I'd much rather write a > book using LaTeX than using any sort of emulation of MS Word, > personally. > > But yeah, the "slavish similarity" approach probably provides simpler > answers for newcomers who are afraid they won't have any applications > to work with. One nice thing about OO is that it's available for Windows, which makes it easier to wean someone off the MS lock in. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 28 22:14:28 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:14:28 -0400 Subject: OT: Server Parts Message-ID: <20070328181428.x5bj5ojf7l80sgs0@webmail.utoronto.ca> Looking for a few things for a Celestica A2210-SCSI server. Specifically, 200 series Opteron chip(s) and ECC DDR1 low profile memory, of the PC2100-2700 varieties. Finally, any and all 68 pin SCSI hard drives. If anyone has any of these parts, and will part with them, let me know please! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 01:49:06 2007 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:49:06 -0400 Subject: OT: Looking for an ATX case Message-ID: <460B1B12.1010101@pppoe.ca> Hi Does anyone have an ATX case that he or she is willing to part with? I do not need a power supply as I have a power supply already. I am building a computer from salvaged parts. If so, please contact me off list, thanks. I also posted to the hw list :-) Regards Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 02:42:07 2007 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:42:07 +0200 Subject: What Is The Linux Version Of ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <460B277F.4070509@visible-assets.com> Wouldn't 'What is the Linux Equivalent to ...' be a bit more accurate? 'What is the Linux Version of Potatoe?' ... '2.4.xx'? It's kind of an ambiguous or misdirectable question as it is. Maybe set up a Wiki Redirect for the moment at least? ~/Chris Christopher Browne wrote: > As followup to one of the discussions that came up yesterday at the > board meeting, I set up the following wiki page: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/LinuxVersionOf > > It seeks to answer the question: "What is the Linux Version of ..." > > It's woefully incomplete, answering the question for only a few > values. Feel free to augment it to additional applications that > people ask about :-). > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 02:49:38 2007 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:49:38 +0200 Subject: What Is The Linux Version Of ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <460B2942.2050702@visible-assets.com> I would like to also suggest that we list windows programs where there is really no equivalent to date, such as: MS Visio -> .... ? sure one could use any program ranging from dia to oodraw2 to make boxes connected by lines, but none of the files (I believe) created from visio are readable in OpenOffice yet (right?) . Also, visio has a rather large, built-in library of 'standard' images and symbols, which are not available in the possible linux alternatives (right?). Does anyone know of a valid Linux 'equivalent' to Visio? ~/Chris Christopher Browne wrote: > As followup to one of the discussions that came up yesterday at the > board meeting, I set up the following wiki page: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/LinuxVersionOf > > It seeks to answer the question: "What is the Linux Version of ..." > > It's woefully incomplete, answering the question for only a few > values. Feel free to augment it to additional applications that > people ask about :-). > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 03:40:07 2007 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 05:40:07 +0200 Subject: Genesys gl811e - based usb mass storage Message-ID: <460B3517.100@visible-assets.com> Hi everyone, This is a bit of a shot in the dark, but I picked up a usb 2.0 hard disk enclosure created by a company called 'inLine' in Germany, and it was unfortunately not autodetected as a mass storage device with the linux kernel (2.6.19). The exact output from dmesg is: usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 14 PM: Adding info for usb:1-1 PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.14_ep00 usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice PM: Adding info for usb:1-1:1.0 scsi10 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices PM: Adding info for No Bus:host10 PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.14_ep81 PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.14_ep02 usb-storage: device found at 14 usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning PM: Adding info for No Bus:target10:0:0 usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 14 PM: Removing info for No Bus:usbdev1.14_ep81 PM: Removing info for No Bus:usbdev1.14_ep02 scsi 10:0:0:0: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery the chip is called 'gl811e' and it supports devices > 137 GB, which is apparently a limit of some sort... Anyway, the usb/ide converter is non-standard and would force run-time exceptions to be taken for these chips. Any suggestions from kernel developers? ~/Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From askshakthimaan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 04:48:20 2007 From: askshakthimaan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:18:20 +0530 Subject: What Is The Linux Version Of ... In-Reply-To: <460B2942.2050702-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <460B2942.2050702@visible-assets.com> Message-ID: <17daacef0703282148m764cc112t56ee9fe48a079d9d@mail.gmail.com> Hi, On 3/29/07, Christopher Friedt wrote: > Does anyone know of a valid Linux 'equivalent' to Visio? Tried Kivio? http://www.koffice.org/kivio/ I prefer to use Dia. http://www.gnome.org/projects/dia/ SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 10:59:01 2007 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 06:59:01 -0400 Subject: Genesys gl811e - based usb mass storage In-Reply-To: <460B3517.100-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <460B3517.100@visible-assets.com> Message-ID: <92ee967a0703290359t4e5e999eoc8908947f8ef060e@mail.gmail.com> On 3/28/07, Christopher Friedt wrote: > Hi everyone, > > This is a bit of a shot in the dark, but I picked up a usb 2.0 hard disk > enclosure created by a company called 'inLine' in Germany, and it was > unfortunately not autodetected as a mass storage device with the linux > kernel (2.6.19). > > The exact output from dmesg is: > .... > scsi 10:0:0:0: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery > > the chip is called 'gl811e' and it supports devices > 137 GB, which is > apparently a limit of some sort... Anyway, the usb/ide converter is > non-standard and would force run-time exceptions to be taken for these > chips. > > Any suggestions from kernel developers? I think I've got the same device. The gl811e is a tiny little surface mount chip on the back. It works for me, but it's very unreliable. I just dd'd a drive and had to reboot once because of a "bus error", then on the second attempt, it failed about 5 times. dd was kind enough to inform me the number of the block it failed on so that I could turn it off cold, then turn it back on and continue roughly where I left off. BTW, the thing is just as flakey in the Windows world as the Linux world. The first one I bought I had to return because it was dead... no lights, no spin-up, nothing. The one I have now generally doesn't like it when you hot-plug it. Try plugging it in, then turning it on, rather than the other way around. We use a lot of other USB-IDE converters at the workplace. For most of them, the packaging and physical design seems to be really top notch, but the electronics fail like nothing. Does anyone know of any reliable ones? e.g, something you could leave on all day as a second drive? -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 11:26:49 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:26:49 -0400 Subject: Genesys gl811e - based usb mass storage In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0703290359t4e5e999eoc8908947f8ef060e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <460B3517.100@visible-assets.com> <92ee967a0703290359t4e5e999eoc8908947f8ef060e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <460BA279.3060707@rogers.com> Mike Kallies wrote: > > We use a lot of other USB-IDE converters at the workplace. For most > of them, the packaging and physical design seems to be really top > notch, but the electronics fail like nothing. > > Does anyone know of any reliable ones? e.g, something you could leave > on all day as a second drive? > I bought an Adaptec USB 2 drive case a couple of years ago. It works fine and currently holds a 160 GB drive. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 14:55:18 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:55:18 -0400 Subject: Finding out what a process is doing Message-ID: <20070329145518.GD27387@watson-wilson.ca> I have a process (opcmona related to OpenView) that is using more CPU resources than normal. Is there a way to get some idea about what this process is doing? PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND 9998 root 25 0 6996 6992 4992 R 24.7 0.0 4081m 0 opcmona -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 30 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 15:07:58 2007 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Finding out what a process is doing In-Reply-To: <20070329145518.GD27387-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070329145518.GD27387@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <442144.70063.qm@web60113.mail.yahoo.com> --- Neil Watson wrote: > I have a process (opcmona related to OpenView) that > is using more CPU > resources than normal. Is there a way to get some > idea about what this > process is doing? Hi, lsof and ptrace is a good start. Fernando > > PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM > TIME CPU COMMAND > 9998 root 25 0 6996 6992 4992 R 24.7 0.0 > 4081m 0 opcmona > > -- > Neil Watson | Debian Linux > System Administrator | Uptime 30 days > http://watson-wilson.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > --------------------- Fernando Duran http://www.fduran.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 15:29:09 2007 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Finding out what a process is doing In-Reply-To: <442144.70063.qm-0nAJQWU4XIGA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <442144.70063.qm@web60113.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <895813.27289.qm@web60121.mail.yahoo.com> --- Fernando Duran wrote: > > --- Neil Watson wrote: > > > I have a process (opcmona related to OpenView) > that > > is using more CPU > > resources than normal. Is there a way to get some > > idea about what this > > process is doing? > > Hi, > > lsof and ptrace is a good start. I meant "strace" (trace system calls). Also "ldd" (what libraries it's using) and "ltrace" may give useful info. And of course "ps", I like the tree view: ps -auxf |more "vmstat" and similar is useful too for a more complete picture. You can also try and "renice" that process (reduce its CPU scheduling priority) Fernando --------------------- Fernando Duran http://www.fduran.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 16:13:03 2007 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:13:03 -0400 Subject: Genesys gl811e - based usb mass storage In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0703290359t4e5e999eoc8908947f8ef060e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <460B3517.100@visible-assets.com> <92ee967a0703290359t4e5e999eoc8908947f8ef060e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280703290913u1fd9d628wc1d896769c2c9aa5@mail.gmail.com> On 3/29/07, Mike Kallies wrote: > Does anyone know of any reliable ones? e.g, something you could leave > on all day as a second drive? My first experience (several years ago) with external HDs was a no-name enclosure I bought at a computer show. It failed, although the drive itself was fine, after perhaps ten hours of use. Since then I've stuck with name brands with the drive already in it. I own a 250Gb Lacie that I adore, and a Western Digital 80Gb that's quite nice. Neither has been used as an always-on device, but both are relatively old (the Lacie is three plus years old, the WD two or more) and have worked well. The Lacie is great because they packed it in a "skin-tight" metal casing barely larger than the HD inside, making it much smaller than most enclosures. The WD is a bulky bastard. I would buy another Lacie without hesitation. Years ago Lacie's prices were very high, but these days they're mostly quite reasonable. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 16:57:24 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:57:24 -0400 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops Message-ID: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> According to a report on the CBC website, Dell has confirmed that it will sell desktops with linux pre-installed. more here: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/03/29/tech-linuxdell.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 17:03:15 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:03:15 -0500 Subject: What Is The Linux Version Of ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1e55af990703291003l5fda886es60f9e755af0f4e33@mail.gmail.com> I agree with the idea of renaming the page to something better. I also like the idea of providing foss equivalents which are also available on Windows. But.. isn't there already a website and community focused around this idea? There must be.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 17:14:31 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:14:31 -0500 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: <460BEFF4.8010207-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990703291014i466f4610l5c2c4c49d41f757c@mail.gmail.com> On 3/29/07, John McGregor wrote: > According to a report on the CBC website, Dell has confirmed that it > will sell desktops with linux pre-installed. > > more here: > http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/03/29/tech-linuxdell.html Maybe they'll sell it preinstalled, but with a bootloader that only displays Vista as a boot option =) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 17:41:36 2007 From: jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: <460BEFF4.8010207-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> Anyone heard any rumors on which distribution they will be using? > According to a report on the CBC website, Dell has confirmed that it > will sell desktops with linux pre-installed. > > more here: > http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/03/29/tech-linuxdell.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 17:58:07 2007 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:58:07 -0400 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A@public.gmane.org> References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> Message-ID: On 3/29/07, Jason Carson wrote: > > Anyone heard any rumors on which distribution they will be using? Nah .. but maybe we can start a betting line on that .. Ubuntu: 2:1 RedHat: 5:1 Debian: 20:1 Slack: 100:1 Gentoo: 10,000:1 Any others? -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 18:02:35 2007 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:02:35 -0400 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> Message-ID: <460BFF3B.6010207@alteeve.com> Alex Beamish wrote: > Nah .. but maybe we can start a betting line on that .. > > Ubuntu: 2:1 > RedHat: 5:1 > Debian: 20:1 > Slack: 100:1 > Gentoo: 10,000:1 > > Any others? > Suse: 1:1 (As they've mentioned it already... :) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 18:19:30 2007 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:19:30 -0400 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: <460BFF3B.6010207-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> <460BFF3B.6010207@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On 3/29/07, Lance F. Squire wrote: > > Alex Beamish wrote: > > Nah .. but maybe we can start a betting line on that .. > > > > Ubuntu: 2:1 > > RedHat: 5:1 > > Debian: 20:1 > > Slack: 100:1 > > Gentoo: 10,000:1 > > > > Any others? > > > > Suse: 1:1 (As they've mentioned it already... :) Or maybe not .. http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/03/29/linux-pre-installed-on-dell-for-real-this-time/ which says Dell is yet to release information on which distribution will be chosen; > however, Novell would be a good guess considering the present certification > of Dell's desktop and notebook PCs. So, Novell: 2:1 And, depending on how the certification goes, Dell could even certify and offer *mutliple* Linux distros. More than one distro: 20:1 it's certainly interesting to watch Dell twist and turn in the avalanche of public opinion at IdeaStorm: preloading Linux (thus making sure that it works) is clearly something that's in demand. Once Dell understands that Linux will help them sell hardware (their mission, after all), they'll be all over it. Or, you would think. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pavel-XHBUQMKE58M at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 18:53:46 2007 From: pavel-XHBUQMKE58M at public.gmane.org (Pavel Zaitsev) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:53:46 -0400 Subject: Finding out what a process is doing In-Reply-To: <895813.27289.qm-n1WsU41tAEyA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <895813.27289.qm@web60121.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1175194426.18367.1.camel@neo> You can also use 'time' to benchmark the for various parameters. > I meant "strace" (trace system calls). Also "ldd" > (what libraries it's using) and "ltrace" may give > useful info. > > And of course "ps", I like the tree view: ps -auxf > |more > > "vmstat" and similar is useful too for a more complete > picture. > > You can also try and "renice" that process (reduce its > CPU scheduling priority) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 20:20:10 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:20:10 -0400 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> Message-ID: <20070329202010.GA3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 01:58:07PM -0400, Alex Beamish wrote: > Nah .. but maybe we can start a betting line on that .. > > Ubuntu: 2:1 > RedHat: 5:1 > Debian: 20:1 > Slack: 100:1 > Gentoo: 10,000:1 Given it is Dell, I would think RedHat and SuSE are the top two most likely, with Ubuntu a posibility. Gentoo and Slack are not a chance, and Debian is pretty unlikely too. Of course I still have an athlon 700 that I built, so what do I care. :) I am not in the market to buy a Dell no matter what they would pre install. Maybe I will take over use of my wife's athlon 64 3200 laptop when she gets a new one in the next couple of months (She is eyeing one of the tablet PCs). Of course most of the time, and athlon 700 is plenty for running a linux desktop machine. NwN might run a bit nicer with a faster CPU, but it is playable. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 20:22:35 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:22:35 -0400 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> <460BFF3B.6010207@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20070329202235.GB3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 02:19:30PM -0400, Alex Beamish wrote: > it's certainly interesting to watch Dell twist and turn in the avalanche of > public opinion at IdeaStorm: preloading Linux (thus making sure that it > works) is clearly something that's in demand. Once Dell understands that > Linux will help them sell hardware (their mission, after all), they'll be > all over it. > > Or, you would think. Now is Dell going to avoid machines that require proprietary drivers? After all in the past they have claimed RedHat support for some of their machines but the raid card or other device would only work if you used a binary only driver that was only available for specific redhat kernels. Still amazing to see Dell go from pure Wintel, to their current state. They actually deal a bit with non intel, and they deal a bit with non windows, even if they try not to really do it very much or even want to admit it very clearly. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 20:23:41 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:23:41 -0400 Subject: Finding out what a process is doing In-Reply-To: <442144.70063.qm-0nAJQWU4XIGA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20070329145518.GD27387@watson-wilson.ca> <442144.70063.qm@web60113.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070329202341.GC3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 11:07:58AM -0400, Fernando Duran wrote: > lsof and ptrace is a good start. Does ptrace work on an alreadying running process? I know strace has to be run with a process. lsof certainly can be useful, although cpu use is often not based on file accesses. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 20:30:30 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:30:30 -0400 Subject: Genesys gl811e - based usb mass storage In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0703290359t4e5e999eoc8908947f8ef060e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <460B3517.100@visible-assets.com> <92ee967a0703290359t4e5e999eoc8908947f8ef060e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070329203030.GD3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 06:59:01AM -0400, Mike Kallies wrote: > I think I've got the same device. The gl811e is a tiny little surface > mount chip on the back. > > It works for me, but it's very unreliable. I just dd'd a drive and > had to reboot once because of a "bus error", then on the second > attempt, it failed about 5 times. dd was kind enough to inform me the > number of the block it failed on so that I could turn it off cold, > then turn it back on and continue roughly where I left off. BTW, the > thing is just as flakey in the Windows world as the Linux world. > > The first one I bought I had to return because it was dead... no > lights, no spin-up, nothing. > > The one I have now generally doesn't like it when you hot-plug it. > Try plugging it in, then turning it on, rather than the other way > around. > > We use a lot of other USB-IDE converters at the workplace. For most > of them, the packaging and physical design seems to be really top > notch, but the electronics fail like nothing. > > Does anyone know of any reliable ones? e.g, something you could leave > on all day as a second drive? My wife has a 2.5" bright red one from Vantec NexStar. Works perfectly with her old 60GB laptop ide drive. No problems ever with either linux or windows, although it does need both usb connectors to power the drive reliably. A 3.5" version would of course have a power brick instead. Her GXT 4GB usb key on the other hand is amazingly unreliable and corrupts data often. A 256MB usb key she got free at a potential grad students day at UofT works perfectly. I also recently played with a GXT usb card reader, which simply did not work properly at all, with either windows or linux. So far GXT = Crap in my book. A kingston card reader worked perfectly, as do the mitsumi floppy/card reader combos I have bought quite a few off. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 20:37:44 2007 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:37:44 -0400 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: <20070329202235.GB3509-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> <460BFF3B.6010207@alteeve.com> <20070329202235.GB3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 3/29/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 02:19:30PM -0400, Alex Beamish wrote: > > it's certainly interesting to watch Dell twist and turn in the avalanche > of > > public opinion at IdeaStorm: preloading Linux (thus making sure that it > > works) is clearly something that's in demand. Once Dell understands that > > Linux will help them sell hardware (their mission, after all), they'll > be > > all over it. > > > > Or, you would think. > > Now is Dell going to avoid machines that require proprietary drivers? > After all in the past they have claimed RedHat support for some of their > machines but the raid card or other device would only work if you used a > binary only driver that was only available for specific redhat kernels. > > Still amazing to see Dell go from pure Wintel, to their current state. I don't see it as amazing at all -- maybe I'm missing something key in this whole discussion. If Dell customers want something that's not a Windows OS on their hardware, and if Dell can make a business case for supporting such a configuration (training the phone support, hiring some folks with 1337 skills to man the support forums and IRC channels, doing some configuration management, hiring some Linux folks to provide second and third tier support), then they should do it, because they'll sell hardware and make money doing it. I hate to go to the car analogy, but it's not unlike the recent fad of running your car on vegetable oil, rather than gasoline. The response from the manufacturer should be "Hmm, that's kinda different, but we *can* make a car that does that, so why not?" .. rather than mumble about how no one wants it, and anyway it's impossible. if the customer wants it, and you can make money doing it, what else is there to decide? -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 21:07:26 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:07:26 -0400 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> <460BFF3B.6010207@alteeve.com> <20070329202235.GB3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070329210726.GE3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 04:37:44PM -0400, Alex Beamish wrote: > I don't see it as amazing at all -- maybe I'm missing something key in this > whole discussion. Well I guess their drop in market share may have clued them in to the fact their customers didn't just want wintel anymore. Especially their server customers. The netburst based Xeon was a hard sell when their competitors had Opterons. > If Dell customers want something that's not a Windows OS on their hardware, > and if Dell can make a business case for supporting such a configuration > (training the phone support, hiring some folks with 1337 skills to man the > support forums and IRC channels, doing some configuration management, hiring > some Linux folks to provide second and third tier support), then they should > do it, because they'll sell hardware and make money doing it. Well someone will eventually do it, and perhaps Dell is the company to try. Not sure. > I hate to go to the car analogy, but it's not unlike the recent fad of > running your car on vegetable oil, rather than gasoline. The response from > the manufacturer should be "Hmm, that's kinda different, but we *can* make a > car that does that, so why not?" .. rather than mumble about how no one > wants it, and anyway it's impossible. if the customer wants it, and you can > make money doing it, what else is there to decide? I can see why the car makers don't want to support that, given the issues it has with cold weather and such, along with not having any idea which type of vegetable oil, the quality, etc, since it is not a regulated fuel source. Use the wrong kind of vegy oil, and screw up the fuel pump, who is responsible? And vegetable oil doesn't work as a substitute for gasoline. It can be used in place of diesel on some cars (I believe some VW diesels can run on it with very minimal changes to the fuel system, although certainly none made since 2004 can). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From pavel-XHBUQMKE58M at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 21:10:31 2007 From: pavel-XHBUQMKE58M at public.gmane.org (Pavel Zaitsev) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:10:31 -0400 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: <20070329202235.GB3509-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> <460BFF3B.6010207@alteeve.com> <20070329202235.GB3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1175202631.19907.1.camel@neo> At volumes that Dell Sells, linux drivers of whatever quality will be written, in short time. To get contract from Dell or keep having one, hardware parts dealers will do whatever it takes. Considering their volume. ? ???, 29/03/2007 ? 16:22 -0400, Lennart Sorensen ?????: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 02:19:30PM -0400, Alex Beamish wrote: > > it's certainly interesting to watch Dell twist and turn in the avalanche of > > public opinion at IdeaStorm: preloading Linux (thus making sure that it > > works) is clearly something that's in demand. Once Dell understands that > > Linux will help them sell hardware (their mission, after all), they'll be > > all over it. > > > > Or, you would think. > > Now is Dell going to avoid machines that require proprietary drivers? > After all in the past they have claimed RedHat support for some of their > machines but the raid card or other device would only work if you used a > binary only driver that was only available for specific redhat kernels. > > Still amazing to see Dell go from pure Wintel, to their current state. > They actually deal a bit with non intel, and they deal a bit with non > windows, even if they try not to really do it very much or even want to > admit it very clearly. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 21:18:39 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:18:39 -0400 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: <1175202631.19907.1.camel@neo> References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> <460BFF3B.6010207@alteeve.com> <20070329202235.GB3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1175202631.19907.1.camel@neo> Message-ID: <20070329211839.GF3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 05:10:31PM -0400, Pavel Zaitsev wrote: > At volumes that Dell Sells, linux drivers of whatever quality will be > written, in short time. To get contract from Dell or keep having one, > hardware parts dealers will do whatever it takes. Considering their > volume. Including making stripped down hardware with the same name but less features that the normal one. The SB Live! Dell OEM for example, which did not in fact have an emu10k1 DSP at all. Yes it was capable of 16bit sound and multiple channels, but it did it all with software in the driver, which only ran on Win XP (no other version). Many customers were unpleasantly surprised to learn that their sb live! was in fact not an sb live! except in name. In the past they have also made video cards with less ram than the same model would normally have, without ram upgrade connectors that the normal model had, etc. I think they even had a 3com network card without the netboot rom socket on the board, just to save a buck. Same model number as the retail card with the socket of course. Wouldn't want the customer to notice they are getting a custom piece of hardware that doesn't actually match what the competitors are shipping. I would hence not be surprised to see Dell perfectly happy with binary only drivers for whichever version of linux they happen to device to pre install and certify, since historically Dell has never had the customer's best interests or long term support in mind. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 22:03:05 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:03:05 -0400 Subject: Yet Another reason to use linux... In-Reply-To: <20070321044701.GB1973-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20070321044701.GB1973@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20070329220304.GA22788@waltdnes.org> http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?newsid=8226 Neener Neener... linux is greener So much for my career in advertising. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 22:14:05 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:14:05 -0400 Subject: For those who wanted the OLPC laptop Message-ID: <20070329221405.GB22788@waltdnes.org> It still won't be available, but a reasonable facsimile thereof is due to be made by Quanta. Warning, long URL < http://www.ft.com/cms/s/6d086a62-dcb3-11db-a21d-000b5df10621,_i_rssPage=81cea682-52a8-11da-8d05-0000779e2340.html > > The Taiwanese contract manufacturer is already producing a laptop > developed by Massachusetts Institute of Technology researchers that > will be distributed to children in third-world countries under a > non-profit project called One Laptop Per Child for as little as $150. > > But Michael Wang, Quantas president, said on Tuesday that the > concepts developed through the OLPC project could be applied to > create commercially viable machines that are cheaper than anything > on the market so far. [...deletia...] > He said the cheapest models were likely to be sold without hard > disks, have small screens and run on open-source software, like the > OLPC version. Wheeeeeeeeeeee!!! Here's a concept for how to lock Microsoft out of a market... low spec computers that Vista simply can't load on, let alone operate fast on. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 22:23:10 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:23:10 -0400 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: <20070329211839.GF3509-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> <460BFF3B.6010207@alteeve.com> <20070329202235.GB3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1175202631.19907.1.camel@neo> <20070329211839.GF3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1e55af990703291523v65ef5f81od6ad5bd7b965d9a0@mail.gmail.com> On 3/29/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > In the past they have also made video cards with less ram than the same > model would normally have, without ram upgrade connectors that the > normal model had, etc. I think they even had a 3com network card > without the netboot rom socket on the board, just to save a buck. Same > model number as the retail card with the socket of course. Wouldn't > want the customer to notice they are getting a custom piece of hardware > that doesn't actually match what the competitors are shipping. This reminds me of what Walmart's various manufacturers all end up doing to cut costs. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 22:26:46 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:26:46 -0400 Subject: For those who wanted the OLPC laptop In-Reply-To: <20070329221405.GB22788-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20070329221405.GB22788@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <1e55af990703291526w1c9893a2m967c493f03ea5546@mail.gmail.com> On 3/29/07, Walter Dnes wrote: > Here's a concept for how to lock Microsoft out of a market... low spec > computers that Vista simply can't load on, let alone operate fast on. Yeah, but Microsoft has had plans for various slim versions of Windows for some time now. So odds are that one of them could be made to work if that market became significant to them. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 29 23:16:18 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:16:18 -0400 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> <460BFF3B.6010207@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <460C48C2.3050600@ve3syb.ca> Alex Beamish wrote: > Ubuntu: 2:1 > RedHat: 5:1 > Debian: 20:1 > Slack: 100:1 > Gentoo: 10,000:1 > > Any others? Mandriva, or Lindows? I'll let someone else calculate the odds. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 30 00:11:34 2007 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:11:34 -0400 Subject: For those who wanted the OLPC laptop In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703291526w1c9893a2m967c493f03ea5546-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070329221405.GB22788@waltdnes.org> <1e55af990703291526w1c9893a2m967c493f03ea5546@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200703292011.34535.dbmacg@look.ca> On Thursday 29 March 2007 18:26, Sy Ali wrote: > Yeah, but Microsoft has had plans for various slim versions of Windows > for some time now. So odds are that one of them could be made to work > if that market became significant to them. Right. Cheaper than free. But maybe they could afford that . -- Duncan MacGregor - Toronto - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 30 04:57:52 2007 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:57:52 -0500 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> <460BFF3B.6010207@alteeve.com> <20070329202235.GB3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070330045752.GB2041@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 04:37:44PM -0400, Alex Beamish wrote: > I don't see it as amazing at all -- maybe I'm missing something key in this > whole discussion. > > If Dell customers want something that's not a Windows OS on their hardware, > and if Dell can make a business case for supporting such a configuration > (training the phone support, hiring some folks with 1337 skills to man the > support forums and IRC channels, doing some configuration management, hiring > some Linux folks to provide second and third tier support), then they should > do it, because they'll sell hardware and make money doing it. > > I hate to go to the car analogy, but it's not unlike the recent fad of > running your car on vegetable oil, rather than gasoline. The response from > the manufacturer should be "Hmm, that's kinda different, but we *can* make a > car that does that, so why not?" .. rather than mumble about how no one > wants it, and anyway it's impossible. if the customer wants it, and you can > make money doing it, what else is there to decide? The other thing they have to decide is how much money they'll lose on the systems they sell with MS software when MS removes its class discounts that are only available to OEMs that sell only hardware that contains an MS OS. The number of Linux sales has to be a lot for them to justify losing a big chunk of the profit on their mainstream sales. (Monopoly abuse at work.) -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 30 05:55:28 2007 From: jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org (JM) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:55:28 +0800 Subject: OT: Looking for a reliable 3rd party AD Provider Message-ID: <200703301355.28584.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Hi, Im looking for a 3rd party company the provides AD services.. thanks, -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 30 11:46:32 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:46:32 -0400 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: <20070329202235.GB3509-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> <460BFF3B.6010207@alteeve.com> <20070329202235.GB3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <460CF898.2040300@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 02:19:30PM -0400, Alex Beamish wrote: > >> it's certainly interesting to watch Dell twist and turn in the avalanche of >> public opinion at IdeaStorm: preloading Linux (thus making sure that it >> works) is clearly something that's in demand. Once Dell understands that >> Linux will help them sell hardware (their mission, after all), they'll be >> all over it. >> >> Or, you would think. >> > > Now is Dell going to avoid machines that require proprietary drivers? > After all in the past they have claimed RedHat support for some of their > machines but the raid card or other device would only work if you used a > binary only driver that was only available for specific redhat kernels. > > Still amazing to see Dell go from pure Wintel, to their current state. > They actually deal a bit with non intel, and they deal a bit with non > windows, even if they try not to really do it very much or even want to > admit it very clearly. > > >From http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8436091466.html 'However, at his blog, Matt Domsch, Dell's Linux software architect, did go into more detail on how Dell will be approaching the problem of Linux device drivers. First, given a choice in the matter, Dell will support free software drivers over proprietary drivers every time. Domsch wrote, "For device types where a choice exists between a component with a non-Free driver and one with Free driver availability, in our Linux offering we'll opt to bundle the component with the Free driver."' When Dell tells manufacturers that open source drivers are given preference, the manufacturers are more likely to listen. If they don't they will lose business to someone who will. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 30 11:48:29 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:48:29 -0400 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> <460BFF3B.6010207@alteeve.com> <20070329202235.GB3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <460CF90D.1090402@rogers.com> Alex Beamish wrote: > On 3/29/07, *Lennart Sorensen* > wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 02:19:30PM -0400, Alex Beamish wrote: > > it's certainly interesting to watch Dell twist and turn in the > avalanche of > > public opinion at IdeaStorm: preloading Linux (thus making sure > that it > > works) is clearly something that's in demand. Once Dell > understands that > > Linux will help them sell hardware (their mission, after all), > they'll be > > all over it. > > > > Or, you would think. > > Now is Dell going to avoid machines that require proprietary drivers? > After all in the past they have claimed RedHat support for some of > their > machines but the raid card or other device would only work if you > used a > binary only driver that was only available for specific redhat > kernels. > > Still amazing to see Dell go from pure Wintel, to their current state. > > > I don't see it as amazing at all -- maybe I'm missing something key in > this whole discussion. > > If Dell customers want something that's not a Windows OS on their > hardware, and if Dell can make a business case for supporting such a > configuration (training the phone support, hiring some folks with 1337 > skills to man the support forums and IRC channels, doing some > configuration management, hiring some Linux folks to provide second > and third tier support), then they should do it, because they'll sell > hardware and make money doing it. > > I hate to go to the car analogy, but it's not unlike the recent fad of > running your car on vegetable oil, rather than gasoline. The response > from the manufacturer should be "Hmm, that's kinda different, but we > *can* make a car that does that, so why not?" .. rather than mumble > about how no one wants it, and anyway it's impossible. if the customer > wants it, and you can make money doing it, what else is there to decide? > Not that long ago, threats from MS would have kept them from doing so. The MS trials have many examples of such. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 30 11:53:22 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:53:22 -0400 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: <20070329211839.GF3509-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> <460BFF3B.6010207@alteeve.com> <20070329202235.GB3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1175202631.19907.1.camel@neo> <20070329211839.GF3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <460CFA32.10602@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 05:10:31PM -0400, Pavel Zaitsev wrote: > >> At volumes that Dell Sells, linux drivers of whatever quality will be >> written, in short time. To get contract from Dell or keep having one, >> hardware parts dealers will do whatever it takes. Considering their >> volume. >> > > Including making stripped down hardware with the same name but less > features that the normal one. The SB Live! Dell OEM for example, which > did not in fact have an emu10k1 DSP at all. Yes it was capable of 16bit > sound and multiple channels, but it did it all with software in the > driver, which only ran on Win XP (no other version). Many customers > were unpleasantly surprised to learn that their sb live! was in fact not > an sb live! except in name. > > In the past they have also made video cards with less ram than the same > model would normally have, without ram upgrade connectors that the > normal model had, etc. I think they even had a 3com network card > without the netboot rom socket on the board, just to save a buck. Same > model number as the retail card with the socket of course. Wouldn't > want the customer to notice they are getting a custom piece of hardware > that doesn't actually match what the competitors are shipping. > My work computer is a Dell notebook. It's nowhere near as good as my ThinkPad. > I would hence not be surprised to see Dell perfectly happy with binary > only drivers for whichever version of linux they happen to device to pre > install and certify, since historically Dell has never had the > customer's best interests or long term support in mind. > > According to what I've been reading, binary drivers are not an issue, provided they remain in user space. Create the binary blob and then wrap it in the appropriate API for the OS. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 30 11:57:07 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:57:07 -0400 Subject: Finding out what a process is doing In-Reply-To: <20070329202341.GC3509-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070329145518.GD27387@watson-wilson.ca> <442144.70063.qm@web60113.mail.yahoo.com> <20070329202341.GC3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <7ac602420703300457m7019dba0l7fda741857ce2461@mail.gmail.com> On 3/29/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Does ptrace work on an alreadying running process? I know strace has to > be run with a process. lsof certainly can be useful, although cpu use is > often not based on file accesses. You can run strace like this: strace -p and it will attach to the given (already running) pid. You might have to be root to do that. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 30 12:00:51 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:00:51 -0400 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: <460C48C2.3050600-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> <460BFF3B.6010207@alteeve.com> <460C48C2.3050600@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <460CFBF3.9000908@rogers.com> Kevin Cozens wrote: > Alex Beamish wrote: >> Ubuntu: 2:1 >> RedHat: 5:1 >> Debian: 20:1 >> Slack: 100:1 >> Gentoo: 10,000:1 >> >> Any others? > > Mandriva, or Lindows? I'll let someone else calculate the odds. > Yggdrasil! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 30 13:55:49 2007 From: andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org (Andrew Cowie) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:55:49 +1000 Subject: OT: Looking for a reliable 3rd party AD Provider In-Reply-To: <200703301355.28584.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200703301355.28584.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Message-ID: <1175262949.8724.1.camel@sirius.syd.operationaldynamics.com> On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 13:55 +0800, JM wrote: > I'm looking for a 3rd party company [that] provides AD services.. Ok, I'll bite. What's "A" "D" in this context? AfC Sydney -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Sy Ali wrote: > On 3/29/07, John McGregor wrote: > > According to a report on the CBC website, Dell has confirmed that it > > will sell desktops with linux pre-installed. > > > > more here: > > http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/03/29/tech-linuxdell.html > > Maybe they'll sell it preinstalled, but with a bootloader that only > displays Vista as a boot option =) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 30 15:40:21 2007 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 30 Mar 2007 11:40:21 -0400 Subject: OT: Looking for a reliable 3rd party AD Provider In-Reply-To: <1175262949.8724.1.camel-Ty44UuN9vPIHc6C1GOO+uXyA94PN7R7FkemgU0Nths7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200703301355.28584.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <1175262949.8724.1.camel@sirius.syd.operationaldynamics.com> Message-ID: Andrew Cowie writes: > On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 13:55 +0800, JM wrote: > > I'm looking for a 3rd party company [that] provides AD services.. > > Ok, I'll bite. What's "A" "D" in this context? well, acronymfinder.com has lots of potential choices. I'm pretty certin that he's not looking for adult or airdrop services, though :) My guess is Active Directory. -- g. matthew rice starnix care, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 30 16:10:09 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:10:09 -0400 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703291523v65ef5f81od6ad5bd7b965d9a0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> <460BFF3B.6010207@alteeve.com> <20070329202235.GB3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1175202631.19907.1.camel@neo> <20070329211839.GF3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1e55af990703291523v65ef5f81od6ad5bd7b965d9a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070330161009.GG3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 06:23:10PM -0400, Sy Ali wrote: > This reminds me of what Walmart's various manufacturers all end up > doing to cut costs. True. Fortunately I don't shop at walmart. I am not that patient. There is either something wrong with the people they employ or with their cash register system, since it should not take 15 minutes for a cash lane to handle 4 customers, and it almost always does at walmart. So I don't care how much cheaper they are, my time is worth something too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 30 16:13:28 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:13:28 -0400 Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: <460CFA32.10602-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> <4522.66.11.182.5.1175190096.squirrel@canuckster.org> <460BFF3B.6010207@alteeve.com> <20070329202235.GB3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1175202631.19907.1.camel@neo> <20070329211839.GF3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <460CFA32.10602@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070330161328.GH3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 07:53:22AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > My work computer is a Dell notebook. It's nowhere near as good as my > ThinkPad. Thinkpads are hard to beat. They usually have hardware that is well supported even under windows (although they decision to now mainly use ATI video chips doesn't please me, although you can always just get the intel integrated instead which works fine). Too bad they cost quite a bit more than most comparable models (although I guess it isn't fair to compare against given thinkpads tend to have a better built case than most other laptops). > According to what I've been reading, binary drivers are not an issue, > provided they remain in user space. Create the binary blob and then > wrap it in the appropriate API for the OS. Except someone has to maintain the wrapper so it works with future kernels, and since it won't ever be included with the kernel it will always make installations more work than it is for properly supported hardware. I don't really care one way or the other about the arguments over whether binary blobs for drivers are legal under the GPL. I just care about maintainable and supportable systems, and binary blobs get in the way of that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 30 16:57:23 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:57:23 -0400 Subject: OT: Looking for a reliable 3rd party AD Provider In-Reply-To: References: <200703301355.28584.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <1175262949.8724.1.camel@sirius.syd.operationaldynamics.com> Message-ID: <460D4173.4000808@utoronto.ca> G. Matthew Rice wrote: > Andrew Cowie writes: >> On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 13:55 +0800, JM wrote: >>> I'm looking for a 3rd party company [that] provides AD services.. >> Ok, I'll bite. What's "A" "D" in this context? > > well, acronymfinder.com has lots of potential choices. I'm pretty certin > that he's not looking for adult or airdrop services, though :) > > My guess is Active Directory. And the open source equivalent is LDAP? Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From pavel-XHBUQMKE58M at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 01:19:55 2007 From: pavel-XHBUQMKE58M at public.gmane.org (Pavel Zaitsev) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:19:55 -0400 Subject: PCI Device problem - maybe In-Reply-To: <1f13df280703301334p33fd6c68xda1b17196ba721bf-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280703301334p33fd6c68xda1b17196ba721bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2170a62179f8d5a34ef6cf82e735045c@localhost> I would agree on memtest86+ too. Best regards, Pavel > Several live and install CDs include memtest86 or memtest86+, both of -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 30 16:59:20 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:59:20 -0400 Subject: OT: Looking for a reliable 3rd party AD Provider In-Reply-To: <460D4173.4000808-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200703301355.28584.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <1175262949.8724.1.camel@sirius.syd.operationaldynamics.com> <460D4173.4000808@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20070330165920.GI3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 12:57:23PM -0400, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > G. Matthew Rice wrote: > >My guess is Active Directory. > > And the open source equivalent is LDAP? But 3rd party? Who would be insane enough to outsource your system's authentication? What if your internet connection goes down? It has to be something else. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From pavel-XHBUQMKE58M at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 01:28:45 2007 From: pavel-XHBUQMKE58M at public.gmane.org (Pavel Zaitsev) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:28:45 -0400 Subject: Yet Another reason to use linux... In-Reply-To: <20070329220304.GA22788-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20070329220304.GA22788@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <2dcd3a0f7e1a696cabf4655e6652ad0c@localhost> It isn't such an issue at this time. In general Windows XP similar in memory demands to common desktop distro. Linux, OS X and Windows are different beasts and have come long way. I would agree that any linux is better then Windows 98. It had number of software loops that would literally burn your CPU, as such you could get software coolers for win 98 machines. Linux isn't immune to bad programming too, but it happens rarely. If anyone remember VM switch by Linus into the live kernel. As well for general power savings one can refer to APM and Energy part of ACPI. Its nice however to see that government is very positive about Linux deployment. Regards, p. On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:03:05 -0400, "Walter Dnes" wrote: > http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?newsid=8226 > > Neener Neener... linux is greener > > So much for my career in advertising. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 01:34:17 2007 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 02:34:17 +0100 Subject: PCI Device problem - maybe In-Reply-To: <1f13df280703301334p33fd6c68xda1b17196ba721bf-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200703301303.12648.mervc@eol.ca> <1f13df280703301334p33fd6c68xda1b17196ba721bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200703310234.17149.mervc@eol.ca> On Friday 30 March 2007 21:34, Giles Orr wrote: > > My first thought after reading this is (Lennart suggested it too) is > RAM. As the install progresses, Linux probably slowly fills up > available cache (RAM). If it hit a bad spot, it would then crash. > I do believe we have a winner!!! The first RAM that I have go bad in 25 years, so it was about time. There were 3 sticks on the MB and sure enough a 256 MB one was bad. Soon as it came out the memory errors stopped in the memcheck program. Perhaps those PCI errors were the memory problem areas. Thanks for the quick answers everyone. Now to try an install. Cheerio -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Sidux 2007-1 Linux Desktop KDE 3.5.5 KMail 1.9.5 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 30 17:03:12 2007 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:03:12 -0400 Subject: PCI Device problem - maybe Message-ID: <200703301303.12648.mervc@eol.ca> I don't know the search terms to use so maybe someone here has the answer. A older computer here has been operating quite well, GigaByte MB and an Athlon 900 Mhz CPU and a few days ago I decided to install a new O.S. to the H.D. Well there seems to be no way this is going to happen. Commercial DVD's and home made CD's all fail at some point during the install to HD. Distro's that start as a Live system all do that ok but then fail during the install. Commercial DVD's which have been fine, SuSE 10.2, FC-6, Mepis 6, Ubuntu 6.10 all fail. My CD .iso's which have worked, fail here. The install gets to 10% and up to 40% before it quits The only clue so far is from Debian systems [ Kubuntu and Kanotix ] which report this error but start the installation. PCI : Cannot allocate resource region 1 of device 0000:00:0c.0 ditto 2 and regions 3, 4, 5 I have replaced the Hard drive and the DVD reader without changing what happens. The old H.D. and CD Burner are disconnected. I realize this is sketchy info, but I don't want to make this longer unless someone thinks they can help. I have no idea what that Device is or if it is a problem. -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can SuSE 10.2 Linux Desktop KDE 3.5.5 KMail 1.9.5 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 01:38:39 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:38:39 -0400 Subject: For those who wanted the OLPC laptop In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703291526w1c9893a2m967c493f03ea5546-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070329221405.GB22788@waltdnes.org> <1e55af990703291526w1c9893a2m967c493f03ea5546@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070331013839.GA24394@waltdnes.org> On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 06:26:46PM -0400, Sy Ali wrote > On 3/29/07, Walter Dnes wrote: > > Here's a concept for how to lock Microsoft out of a market... low spec > >computers that Vista simply can't load on, let alone operate fast on. > > Yeah, but Microsoft has had plans for various slim versions of Windows > for some time now. So odds are that one of them could be made to work > if that market became significant to them. A "slim Windows" is pointless without a "slim Windows Office Suite". The office suite will be the real challenge. Will they pull an IBM? Remember that IBM's mainframe and mini divisions deliberately interfered with plans by the upstart PC division. They feared that cheap, low-margin IBM PCs would cannibalize their high-profit-margin businesses. Well, they slowed down IBM's PCs alright, but that only meant that low-margin PCs from Compaq, etal cannibalized a lot of IBM's high-profit-margin mainframe and mini business. Way back when, before "Machrone's Law" (The PC you want will always cost $5,000) was "repealed", spending several hundred, approaching $1,000 on OS and office suite for a $5,000 PC didn't look too bad *AND* there wasn't a free alternative back then, either. But given a $200 PC, *AND* today's available free software, spending close to a thousand dollars on OS and apps will *NOT* look good. Can MS make a Windows (no, not a crippled "Starter Edition") and Office suite that will run on a low-spec computer, sell the combo for $150, and make a profit? And if they do, what happens to their current cash-cows? This will be a challenge for linux, too. Too many linux apps seem to pull in all of Gnome, or KDE, or GTK, or Java, rather than write one or two functions into a program. Linux has gotten sloppy and bloated. DSL and Puppy Linux are exceptions to a general rule. Why is it that Java can be squeezed into a mobile phone, but removing JRE and associated dependancies frees up 3/4 of a gig on my hard-drive in Gentoo? -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 30 17:37:56 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:37:56 -0400 Subject: PCI Device problem - maybe In-Reply-To: <200703301303.12648.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200703301303.12648.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <7ac602420703301037p4a6e6553g519dfc5670a3f4fb@mail.gmail.com> On 3/30/07, Merv Curley wrote: > PCI : Cannot allocate resource region 1 of device 0000:00:0c.0 > ditto 2 > and regions 3, 4, 5 > > I have replaced the Hard drive and the DVD reader without changing what > happens. The old H.D. and CD Burner are disconnected. I realize this is > sketchy info, but I don't want to make this longer unless someone thinks they > can help. I have no idea what that Device is or if it is a problem. I'm pretty sure the '0000:00:0c.0' is some kind of PCI identifier (I don't know if it's a bus number, or what). If you run lspci, it'll show you the PCI devices on the system beside this PCI identifier, which you should be able to compare to the error message to narrow down which device is failing. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 30 17:54:22 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:54:22 -0400 Subject: PCI Device problem - maybe In-Reply-To: <200703301303.12648.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200703301303.12648.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20070330175422.GJ3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:03:12PM -0400, Merv Curley wrote: > I don't know the search terms to use so maybe someone here has the answer. > > A older computer here has been operating quite well, GigaByte MB and an Athlon > 900 Mhz CPU and a few days ago I decided to install a new O.S. to the H.D. > > Well there seems to be no way this is going to happen. Commercial DVD's and > home made CD's all fail at some point during the install to HD. Distro's that > start as a Live system all do that ok but then fail during the install. > Commercial DVD's which have been fine, SuSE 10.2, FC-6, Mepis 6, Ubuntu 6.10 > all fail. My CD .iso's which have worked, fail here. The install gets to > 10% and up to 40% before it quits > > The only clue so far is from Debian systems [ Kubuntu and Kanotix ] which > report this error but start the installation. > > PCI : Cannot allocate resource region 1 of device 0000:00:0c.0 > ditto 2 > and regions 3, 4, 5 > > I have replaced the Hard drive and the DVD reader without changing what > happens. The old H.D. and CD Burner are disconnected. I realize this is > sketchy info, but I don't want to make this longer unless someone thinks they > can help. I have no idea what that Device is or if it is a problem. What have you tried to install and which versions? Which kernel version do those use? Which chipset does the motherboard have? Any chance you have some bad ram in there? Is the bios up to date? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 30 20:34:21 2007 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:34:21 -0400 Subject: PCI Device problem - maybe In-Reply-To: <200703301303.12648.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200703301303.12648.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <1f13df280703301334p33fd6c68xda1b17196ba721bf@mail.gmail.com> On 3/30/07, Merv Curley wrote: > I have replaced the Hard drive and the DVD reader without changing what > happens. The old H.D. and CD Burner are disconnected. I realize this is > sketchy info, but I don't want to make this longer unless someone thinks they > can help. I have no idea what that Device is or if it is a problem. My first thought after reading this is (Lennart suggested it too) is RAM. As the install progresses, Linux probably slowly fills up available cache (RAM). If it hit a bad spot, it would then crash. Several live and install CDs include memtest86 or memtest86+, both of which are excellent. The most recent version and several prior versions of Knoppix have it. Just run either one and watch for a little while. If you haven't used it before it's not too obvious if there's a problem or not: if the lower half of the screen remains empty, that's great. You'll get ugly scrolling errors in the bottom half if there's a problem. Just let it run 10 or 20 minutes. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 04:06:01 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:06:01 -0400 Subject: For those who wanted the OLPC laptop In-Reply-To: <20070331013839.GA24394-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20070329221405.GB22788@waltdnes.org> <1e55af990703291526w1c9893a2m967c493f03ea5546@mail.gmail.com> <20070331013839.GA24394@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <460DDE29.3050001@telly.org> Walter Dnes wrote: > A "slim Windows" is pointless without a "slim Windows Office Suite". > The office suite will be the real challenge. > The developing-world models I've seen MS propose is for all PCs would contain a full but locked version of Office. Users would unlock their apps for, say, an hour at a time, using credits that would be bought in a manner similar to pay-as-you-go cellphone services. How well a current version of MS Office would work on near-OLPC-sized hardware is a different issue... - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 04:45:27 2007 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: Looking for a reliable 3rd party AD Provider In-Reply-To: <20070330165920.GI3509-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200703301355.28584.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <1175262949.8724.1.camel@sirius.syd.operationaldynamics.com> <460D4173.4000808@utoronto.ca> <20070330165920.GI3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > But 3rd party? Who would be insane enough to outsource your system's > authentication? What if your internet connection goes down? It has to > be something else. I interpreted the request as wanting an Active Directory consultant who would work on the onsite AD system. I would have to fully agree with Lennart - don't try to authenticate your boxes with an offsite authentication system. Even if it degrades to a read-only mode if the link is out this is still next to insane. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 08:52:06 2007 From: andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org (Andrew Cowie) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:52:06 +1000 Subject: OT: Looking for a reliable 3rd party AD Provider In-Reply-To: References: <200703301355.28584.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <1175262949.8724.1.camel@sirius.syd.operationaldynamics.com> <460D4173.4000808@utoronto.ca> <20070330165920.GI3509@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1175331126.11667.17.camel@sirius.syd.operationaldynamics.com> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > But 3rd party? Who would be insane enough to outsource your system's > > authentication? What if your internet connection goes down? and On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 00:45 -0400, Robert Brockway wrote: > I would have to fully agree with Lennart - don't try to authenticate your > boxes with an offsite authentication system. Actually, this is one of the services that SalesForce provides (although in the context of customer relationship management). We have a client who uses it as the single-sign-on mechanism for all their [public!] web access granting. Yup, that means that this firm's entire internet presence relies on the outsourced authentication provided by salesforce.com. Insane. Mind you, other than the conceptual problem, they have a good reputation for making people happy, so {shrug}. And single-sign-on has been the holy grail for many a company, so it's clear why they have a good business for actually providing APIs to achieve it. I just don't happen to think it's trustworthy from a technical, operations, privacy, or security standpoint to delegate authentication in this manner - and that makes it a massive hole from a fiduciary responsibility standpoint; I wouldn't want to be a Director of a company doing this. AfC Sydney -- Andrew Frederick Cowie Operational Dynamics Consulting Group http://www.operationaldynamics.com/ Management Consultants specializing in strategy, organizational architecture, procedures to survive change, and performance hardening for the people and systems behind the mission critical enterprise. Worldwide: Sydney +61 2 9977 6866 New York +1 646 472 5054 Toronto +1 647 477 5603 London +44 207 1019201 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just make sure you pay all your bills on time! =) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 14:28:26 2007 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:28:26 -0400 Subject: OT - Cartoon of Windows chairs Message-ID: <1f13df280703310728p7d8d7921u3330b38d9ced77b0@mail.gmail.com> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070331 -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 15:10:51 2007 From: dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org (David C. chipman) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:10:51 -0400 Subject: OT - Cartoon of Windows chairs In-Reply-To: <1f13df280703310728p7d8d7921u3330b38d9ced77b0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280703310728p7d8d7921u3330b38d9ced77b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070331111051.34f141c7@david.chipman> Hi Giles, That comic strip was both gross and hysterical. Thanks (I think) for sharing.... Later, -David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 15:20:03 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: GTALug buttons for the IT360 show... Message-ID: <20070331152003.52617.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Last year there were buttons for GTALug folks at the Linux World Canada show. the buttons being 2.25" (about 6 cm) across metal buttons with a pin on the back, the sort that one can see during election campaigns. The art on the buttons was the GTALug logo that Leah Kubik designed (see the upper left corner of the GTALug home page to see an example of said logo). For the people whose name we got set-up far enough in advance we (well Gordon Chillcott and I) had volunteer names superimposed over the logo. So, that was last year. For this year I have ordered and received more button parts that are to be used for making buttons for the IT360 show and the big questions are: - Do we go with the same artwork (last year it was very nice, but can we do better/different)? Would be tempting to have a slightly different button each year, so people who volunteer each year can have a collection... But, anyone asking for different artwork may be asked to supply artwork :-) . - How many buttons should be made up this show? Last year I made up about 95 buttons (last year I went through parts for 100 buttons, but there were a few buttons that got mucked-up in the button press and went straight to the trash...). Some of last year's buttons were left over after the show, and I would rather not have that happen again. This year I ordered parts for 250 buttons, with the idea this would cover GTALug for several shows... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 15:51:56 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:51:56 -0400 Subject: Yet Another reason to use linux... In-Reply-To: <2dcd3a0f7e1a696cabf4655e6652ad0c@localhost> References: <20070329220304.GA22788@waltdnes.org> <2dcd3a0f7e1a696cabf4655e6652ad0c@localhost> Message-ID: <200703311151.58489.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Friday 30 March 2007, Pavel Zaitsev wrote: [snip] > Its nice however to see that government is very positive about > Linux deployment. Regards, Which government(s)? I haven't seen much evidence at the municipal, provincial, or federal level of being pro open source. In fact, based upon conversations I had with senior Treasury Board civil servants a couple of years ago when the province was running "How to do Business With the Ontario Government" workshops, I got the impression that they were quite dismissive of open source and had the "if it was any good, they would charge money for it" attitude that I've seen in some business people. They use open source but it's really incidental and accidental, certainly not through deliberate policy. Governments everywhere but in English-speaking countries seem to be embracing open source. One example would be the Turkish government. It has taken the unusual step of not only favouring the use of open source but actively funding over a dozen people working full-time on the Pardus Linux distribution. You can read a recent review here: . I haven't tried Pardus yet but it looks very appealing. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 17:53:07 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 13:53:07 -0400 Subject: Yet Another reason to use linux... In-Reply-To: <200703311151.58489.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20070329220304.GA22788@waltdnes.org> <2dcd3a0f7e1a696cabf4655e6652ad0c@localhost> <200703311151.58489.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990703311053g452d4a1bxb822eb721491f242@mail.gmail.com> On 3/31/07, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Governments everywhere but in English-speaking countries seem to be > embracing open source. One example would be the Turkish government. > It has taken the unusual step of not only favouring the use of open > source but actively funding over a dozen people working full-time on > the Pardus Linux > distribution. You can read a recent review here: > . I haven't tried Pardus > yet but it looks very appealing. Wow! It really does look good. I'm going to run off and read a bunch of other reviews. I'm especially intrigued by projects which develop a new package manager: http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/projects/pisi/index.html http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/projects/pisi/PiSi.html http://svn.pardus.org.tr/uludag/trunk/pisi/doc/introduction-to-pisi.odp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 18:15:17 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:15:17 -0400 Subject: Yet Another reason to use linux... In-Reply-To: <200703311151.58489.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20070329220304.GA22788@waltdnes.org> <2dcd3a0f7e1a696cabf4655e6652ad0c@localhost> <200703311151.58489.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <460EA535.7070206@ve3syb.ca> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > With the Ontario Government" workshops, I got the impression that > they were quite dismissive of open source and had the "if it was any > good, they would charge money for it" attitude that I've seen in some > business people. With that kind of thinking, if the work done by volunteers was any good the volunteers would be asking to be paid. Oh, but that would mean they would no longer be considered volunteers anymore. :-) -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 18:29:10 2007 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:29:10 -0400 Subject: Genesys gl811e - based usb mass storage In-Reply-To: <460B3517.100-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <460B3517.100@visible-assets.com> Message-ID: <200703311429.10999.dbmacg@look.ca> On Wednesday 28 March 2007 23:40, Christopher Friedt wrote: > Hi everyone, > > This is a bit of a shot in the dark, but I picked up a usb 2.0 hard disk > enclosure created by a company called 'inLine' in Germany, and it was > unfortunately not autodetected as a mass storage device with the linux > kernel (2.6.19). 1. Make sure you cables are ok. Some of mine were defective. Your problem can be caused by a weak power supply, especially if you take drive power from the USB connection. I eventually bought a $30 4-port hub that came with a 2.5A 5V power supply: http://www.thesourcecc.com/estore/Product.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=Online&category=USB_Hubs&product=2616527 THAT worked. When I tried that power supply on the other cheaper hubs that had failed, they also worked. Duncan MacGregor - Toronto - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 18:31:59 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:31:59 -0400 Subject: VirtualBox and Qemu networking In-Reply-To: <20070327211055.GF22465-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <74958.88159.qm@web61322.mail.yahoo.com> <46093E52.6010105@ve3syb.ca> <20070327211055.GF22465@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <460EA91F.2080300@ve3syb.ca> Greetings, Lennart. Thanks for the comments about vmware. Always surprises me how the web sites about vmware and similar programs/systems don't seem to provide the "basic"(?) type of info I was looking for. Or, if they do provide it, you have to really dig for it. > You can use an existing windows partition, and I have done so. You have > to install the right device drivers in a seperate profile within windows > to do it though, and then select the hardware profile at boot that > matches where you are running windows. I'm not sure if I could use vmware with the old version of Windows I"m using or with the old computer (PII with 384Meg installed) I'm currently using. The web site indicates that you can download a trial version so that might be the thing to do at some point. I will take a closer look at the workstation vs. server version. I have a suspicion I would want the workstation version as I would want to use it on my machine machine which means a few $$ to pay out. The other option I keep running across is Win4Lin. Having just read a page comparing it to vmware, it sounds like vmware is more what I want. It might let the programs see enough of the underlying hardware that I might be able to run one of my high end CAD packages using it. As was pointed out in the article, there is quite a difference in price between the two products. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 18:50:18 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:50:18 -0400 Subject: Yet Another reason to use linux... In-Reply-To: <1e55af990703311053g452d4a1bxb822eb721491f242-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070329220304.GA22788@waltdnes.org> <200703311151.58489.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <1e55af990703311053g452d4a1bxb822eb721491f242@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200703311450.19973.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Saturday 31 March 2007, Sy Ali wrote: > On 3/31/07, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > Governments everywhere but in English-speaking countries seem to > > be embracing open source. One example would be the Turkish > > government. It has taken the unusual step of not only favouring > > the use of open source but actively funding over a dozen people > > working full-time on the Pardus > > Linux distribution. You > > can read a recent review here: > > . I haven't tried > > Pardus yet but it looks very appealing. > > Wow! It really does look good. I'm going to run off and read a > bunch of other reviews. > > I'm especially intrigued by projects which develop a new package > manager: > > http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/projects/pisi/index.html > http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/projects/pisi/PiSi.html > http://svn.pardus.org.tr/uludag/trunk/pisi/doc/introduction-to-pisi >.odp I'm particularly interested in how well they use Python. See: . I'll bet it wouldn't be hard to hack that installer to do bootstrap installations in Xen virtual servers, for example. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 19:33:43 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:33:43 -0400 Subject: How to print to USB printer from embedded ARM board? Message-ID: <460EB797.4080202@ve3syb.ca> Greetings. I have been approached about helping on a project that is running Linux on an Embedded ARM board (a TS-7250). The application being run on the board needs to be able use a printer connected via USB. The idea is to not be tied to one specific printer. The board comes standard with 32MB SDRAM and 32MB Flash disk and is optionally available with up to 64MB SDRAM and 128MB Flash disk. The board also supports USB Flash drives. I'm going to be checking what is provided with the stock demo Linux distro that comes with the board (TS-Linux) as well as the Debian distro that is also available for the board to see what (if any) printing related packages may already be included in the two distros. The easiest way to provide support for printing some text and some line graphs would be for the program to generate Postscript code and pass that to a typical Linux printing system based on lpr (or an lpr variant) or even CUPS along Ghostscript and (possibly) a2ps. This brings to mind several questions. Does anyone happen to have a general idea how much disk space an Lpr/CUPS with Ghostscript printing system would need? I don't need to support all printers at once. The packages could be stripped down so that only one printer is supported at any given time. Similarly with fonts as only a few of the basic ones would be made available. How much memory might be required by the printing process to (mainly for Ghostscript) while generating the data to be sent to the attached printer from the passed Postscript code? Any recommendations as to printing system to use (lpr, GNUlpr, LprNG, cups)? Are there pre-compiled packages of lpr (& c.), Ghostscript, etc. already out there for ARM? (It would save me cross-compiling). Are there any other thoughts or concerns I should be considering that I might have overlooked? I'm still doing my own investigation regarding the project. I just thought I would tap in to the minds and experiences of the other members of TLUG before I agree to work on the project. Thanks in advance for your thoughts. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 21:27:01 2007 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: Dell to offer linux pre-installed on desktops In-Reply-To: <460BEFF4.8010207-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <460BEFF4.8010207@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, John McGregor wrote: > According to a report on the CBC website, Dell has confirmed that it > will sell desktops with linux pre-installed. > > more here: > http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/03/29/tech-linuxdell.html While I'll continue to do custom Linux installs this will mean it'll be easier to get a Dell box without having to purchase an MS license in to the bargain. Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 31 22:12:38 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:12:38 -0400 Subject: Yet Another reason to use linux... In-Reply-To: <200703311151.58489.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20070329220304.GA22788@waltdnes.org> <2dcd3a0f7e1a696cabf4655e6652ad0c@localhost> <200703311151.58489.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <460EDCD6.8070504@rogers.com> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On Friday 30 March 2007, Pavel Zaitsev wrote: > [snip] > >> Its nice however to see that government is very positive about >> Linux deployment. Regards, >> > > Which government(s)? I haven't seen much evidence at the municipal, > provincial, or federal level of being pro open source. In fact, based > upon conversations I had with senior Treasury Board civil servants a > couple of years ago when the province was running "How to do Business > With the Ontario Government" workshops, I got the impression that > they were quite dismissive of open source and had the "if it was any > good, they would charge money for it" attitude that I've seen in some > business people. They use open source but it's really incidental and > accidental, certainly not through deliberate policy. > > Governments everywhere but in English-speaking countries seem to be > embracing open source. One example would be the Turkish government. > It has taken the unusual step of not only favouring the use of open > source but actively funding over a dozen people working full-time on > the Pardus Linux > distribution. You can read a recent review here: > . I haven't tried Pardus > yet but it looks very appealing. > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5227983.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists