From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 2 20:07:41 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:07:41 -0400 Subject: looking for web visual designer for contract work possibly full time Message-ID: <5F1024C5-9756-4939-A702-B8A3366AAA38@visibleassets.com> I'm looking for someone with good visual layout skills to do web design. Javascript would be an asset, as would java. Our company is located in Vaughn, Mississauga, and Miami. Please contact me off list. Regards, Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From pmaddocks-9U2EIkBaTy57jpW2VZu3qypHNdL/HXVq at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 2 20:22:55 2007 From: pmaddocks-9U2EIkBaTy57jpW2VZu3qypHNdL/HXVq at public.gmane.org (pmaddocks-9U2EIkBaTy57jpW2VZu3qypHNdL/HXVq at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:22:55 -0400 Subject: Philip Maddocks/CORP/BROOKFIELD is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 28/06/2007 and will not return until 10/07/2007. I will respond to your message when I return. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 16:42:27 2007 From: jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: linuxcaffe event (sort-of) Blender festival ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, David J Patrick wrote: > Open-air screenings take place Saturday night(s) from ~ 9pm - 11pm in > Bickford park, across from linuxcaffe. This is a tentative > announcement, as we're still compiling, and will have to learn how to > author a DVD, between now and then. Is this an on-going thing? I've gone to the linuxcaffe website, but couldn't find anything about it. If it's still going on, I'd like to come out for one or two sometime. JV -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 18:56:41 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:56:41 -0400 Subject: Shell script help Message-ID: <20070703185641.GE8931@watson-wilson.ca> Could some kind sole explain why these outputs are different: nhwatson at tor-lx-svn ~/test_repo/trunk $ ST=$(svn st); echo "$ST" ? one ? five ! bar ! four nhwatson at tor-lx-svn ~/test_repo/trunk $ ST=$(svn st); echo $ST ? one ? five ! bar ! four Where do the new lines go in the second example? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 14:55:17 up 21:19, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 03:51:48 2007 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:51:48 -0400 Subject: Dead UPS Message-ID: <4689C7D4.9070106@rogers.com> So I come home and my UPS (that protects my Linux system) is dead. Nothing happens when I press the power button of reset. I assume it is dead and I need to get a replacement. Anything I should try first? What is the best way to dispose of these things? Thanks Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 2 23:49:01 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:49:01 -0400 Subject: Web hosting problem Message-ID: <46898EED.7030202@rogers.com> I recently hired Nouvelocity Systems to host my new website www.matureit.ca and they have been terrific, but there is a problem. No client of Rogers can access it while its been proven that any client of any other ISP both in Canada and the USA can load it easily. Do any of you know of quirks with the Rogers network that Nouvelocity Systems would have to implement in order to rectify this. I have contacted Rogers and they have told me that they are getting their network engineers to investigate (but I'm not sure that I should hold out for much success on their end). TIA John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 20:17:02 2007 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Test In-Reply-To: <46829CC1.50100-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46829CC1.50100@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Jun 2007, Madison Kelly wrote: > Is the list still up? I haven't seen anything in a couple days, including an > earlier post I made. Did you really post this on Jun 27? All the posts that have come through today (Jul 3) have been dated several days earlier. -- Chris F.A. Johnson ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 15:33:11 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:33:11 -0400 Subject: Call for job and 'extended hours' Message-ID: <20070703153311.GA8931@watson-wilson.ca> I just had a call with an HR person from a company downtown who's name starts with water. The incumbent for said position is expected to work the 'extended hours' 50 per week without overtime. They would not even tell me the compensation range. When I mentioned that the position might require two people instead the person on the phone seemed to think that the position was reasonable as is. I know that I applied for this position in the beginning of April. I can't help but think it is taking them so long due to the excessive hours turning people off. Has anyone else had dealings with this company? What is with this habit many companies have to not tell a salary range until the interview? Wouldn't it save both the company and the candidate time if they knew this before hand? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 19:41:05 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Various bits. Message-ID: <830583.76569.qm@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I've been hearing about possible trouble with the mailing list, and as far as I can tell the first time I sent a version of this message it didn't go through. So my apologies if this is a repeat... Rikki Kite, who helped staff the Linux Pro Magazine booth at the IT360 show has a write-up about her experiences in the July 2007 issue of Linux Pro Magazine (page 92). Yes, GTALug gets a VERY brief mention, and I have put a note about that on the wiki. I have been promised a goodie (piece of computer hardware) for the next TLUG meeting, and I am planning to bring a few goodies to give away at the next meeting. Question is would there be interest in a general hardware/other swap? My current plan is to bring the following to give away: - A number of recent copies of Linux Journal - PCI SCSI controller card - Several copies of SuSE Linux Enterprise 10 - Some misc. cables The above may grow as I sort through my parts boxes... I trust everyone here knows that the Free Software Foundation has officially released the GNU Public Licence version 3. The GPL version 2 is the licence that most of the software a typical GNU/Linux system is released under. Provisions in the GPL 3 will make things ... interesting ... for a few companies, such as Microsoft, Novell, TiVo and Xandros (all who have in one way or another attempted to exploit loopholes in GPL 2, that are now closed in GPL 3). Last Monday I was talking to our fearless leader Drew Sullivan, he will be testing updates to the Wiki, and hopefully by the end of July the spam, defacement, etc. that we have be pained with should be a bad memory... Google Desktop Beta is out for Linux, so if you want to index the files of your Linux box, then be able to find them through a Google style search system check it out. I am working on a magazine article on recent Linux software bugs/flaws. If you have any that I must see. please let me know... For the Americans on this list have a happy 4th of July. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 02:46:46 2007 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 22:46:46 -0400 Subject: test, test - are we back Message-ID: the list has been down forever, is it back yet ? or did one freak message get through ? djp -- djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org OR davamundo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org www.linuxcaffe.ca geek chic and caffe cachet 326 Harbord Street, Toronto, M6G 3A5, (416) 534-2116 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 01:22:52 2007 From: sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Steve Harvey) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 21:22:52 -0400 Subject: RMS coming to UofT Mississauga Message-ID: <20070703012252.GH42333@shell.vex.net> Thursday, July 5. More details at: -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 20:41:39 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:41:39 -0400 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: References: <46829CC1.50100@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0707031341j250c760eqc19d5b08a1733606@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/07, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jun 2007, Madison Kelly wrote: > > > Is the list still up? I haven't seen anything in a couple days, including an > > earlier post I made. > > Did you really post this on Jun 27? > > All the posts that have come through today (Jul 3) have been > dated several days earlier. I would expect a yes here. There seems to have been some kind of hiccup on the listserv. I sent a couple emails out a few days ago, but haven't heard much since. I'm still waiting for a couple of my own posts to show up from 4 or 5 days ago. The fact that you can reply so quickly to an old message when it does come through is promising for us end-users though. ;-) (Lol - this is a test!) -- Scott Elcomb [ http://www.psema4.com/ ] "Our Founders' faith in the viability of representative democracy rested on their trust in the wisdom of a well-informed citizenry, their ingenious design for checks and balances, and their belief that the rule of reason is the natural sovereign of a free people." - Al Gore (The Assault on Reason, 2008) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 20:42:13 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:42:13 -0400 Subject: Debian upgrade breaks nVidia support In-Reply-To: <20070619185606.GA9161-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070619185606.GA9161@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20070703204213.GB11089@watson-wilson.ca> Does this help: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-6611ed0a262f140d27c82b29ca7e7a0865fce6bf -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 16:41:25 up 23:05, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 20:41:47 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:41:47 -0400 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: References: <46829CC1.50100@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <468AB48B.6070705@alteeve.com> Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jun 2007, Madison Kelly wrote: > >> Is the list still up? I haven't seen anything in a couple days, >> including an earlier post I made. > > Did you really post this on Jun 27? > > All the posts that have come through today (Jul 3) have been > dated several days earlier. > Yup. :P Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 20:50:00 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:50:00 -0400 Subject: Call for job and 'extended hours' In-Reply-To: <20070703153311.GA8931-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070703153311.GA8931@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0707031350u5cc32150re2d04db08ddc06fb@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/07, Neil Watson wrote: > I just had a call with an HR person from a company downtown who's name > starts with water. The incumbent for said position is expected to work > the 'extended hours' 50 per week without overtime. They would not even > tell me the compensation range. When I mentioned that the position > might require two people instead the person on the phone seemed to think > that the position was reasonable as is. I know that I applied for this > position in the beginning of April. I can't help but think it is taking > them so long due to the excessive hours turning people off. > > Has anyone else had dealings with this company? I have not had dealings with this particular company; to be sure, I'm not _entirely_ certain I know the company. > What is with this habit many companies have to not tell a salary range > until the interview? It's the same habit as any salesman's: Find out what you can get before you give them a price. > Wouldn't it save both the company and the candidate time if they knew > this before hand? If I'm not mistaken, this is a variation of a similar argument in the GNU Manifesto. IMO, the FSF argues on your (and my) side of the fence. Treat (potential) employees with respect - doing so very nearly ensures that the company will get that level respect back. -- Scott Elcomb [ http://www.psema4.com/ ] "Our Founders' faith in the viability of representative democracy rested on their trust in the wisdom of a well-informed citizenry, their ingenious design for checks and balances, and their belief that the rule of reason is the natural sovereign of a free people." - Al Gore (The Assault on Reason, 2008) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 20:55:16 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:55:16 -0700 Subject: little boxes [was: DECtop] In-Reply-To: <768631270706270311t40dbbd68u449a0f89292bd9e4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1182795519.12194.430.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <768631270706270311t40dbbd68u449a0f89292bd9e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0707031355i14eab98aj91257702a1f6f5de@mail.gmail.com> I've had good luck with VIA mini-ITX boards/CPU's. At current I have a web-server running on an 800Mhz Ezra, and a 1Ghz Via C3 on an Epia M-II. Nowadays those series have decent driver support for most hardware and even graphics acceleration (DRI works with 3d, not the greatest as it's a Via Unichrome chipset, but not terrible either). If you shopped around you can find an M-II+RAM+Case for under $300, but hard-disks are still a bit extra. Just watch out for the Epia-M's, there was a period there where they tended to have bad caps (as demonstrated by my other VIA machine that went poof). I like the VIA's as servers since mine are non-profit and thus I don't really care to run up my power bill. You can also go fanless with some of them if you step down the power. Recently, I just got a JetWay machine board with an integrated Via C7 and dual 1GB NIC's. Unfortunately it behaved rather flaky with both RAM and board. After running for awhile, the RAM would start showing up as only 256MB (rather than 1GB), and with different RAM there were various lockup issues as well as NIC issues (the NIC link would sometimes go up and down, even after power-off until the machine was physically disconnected). It could be I just had bad luck though, so I'll have to see what happens with the new unit which is currently in the mail... Regards, Tyler Aviss p.s. What do you consider cost-effective for cases? On 6/27/07, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > > I was looking for some small boxen recently. > > I used netier terminals retro-fitted with laptop ide disks.. > > They work great, are small and has even a PCI slot :) > > > On 6/25/07, Dave Cramer wrote: > > > > > > On 25-Jun-07, at 2:18 PM, John Van Ostrand wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 13:31 -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > I'm a sucker for little boxes. > > Me too. I have some business cases where I can use appliance like > devices. > > Things like firewalls, Asterisk systems, network monitoring appliances, > etc. > > > > I would love to hear what people are using for devices like that. > > > > > > have a look at www.embeddedarm.com I use these quite a bit, very > reliable, > > runs linux albeit 2.4.x kernel currently > > > > What is missing that I'd like: > > - serial port (usb + dongle would do, except > > for "serial console") > > - more ethernet > > - HD expansion? > > > > My main issue would be more Ethernet, nix the video, go with serial > console > > and add external flash slot. Minimum Ethernet is 2 with options for 4. > USB > > Ethernet would be tough since USB doesn't have good retention and I'd > hate > > to see it fall out when brushed. Flash makes a great place to store > > configuration so replacing a dead unit is easy. A single PCI slot would > also > > be good. PoE would be great with an optional power brick when needed. > > > > I'd really like to see three case options: 19" rack mount, wall mount > and > > desk-top boxes. The PICs look great for a desk-top box. I'd want the 19" > > rack to have all the ports on front and look like a switch or router. > The > > wall mount would essentially be the same as the rackmount. > > > > They probably take more power than non-x86 little boxes. > > > > Low enough for PoE would be great, less than a standard PC would be > fully > > expected. > > > > In theory wireless routers are great cheap hackable boxes. Some even > come > > with USB2.0. > > > > But they can't be branded and many look too "consumer". > > > > Here's *my* dilemma: I want to see this in the sub $300 range, case > > included. > > > > The EPIA mini ITX are almost there, we just need a cost effective case. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 20:56:50 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:56:50 -0700 Subject: Web Hosting problem In-Reply-To: <46854B5C.1080108-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46854B5C.1080108@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0707031356u876819etcc69b74935d4a4f9@mail.gmail.com> Hello John, Is it just web traffic that is blocked, or all (SSH, ftp) traffic? Also, have you (or somebody with Rogers) tried a traceroute to see exactly where you're getting blocked off? Shaw took over all the Rogers here in the west so I have no Rogers connections to test it myself. Regards, Tyler p.s. Nice website and colour scheme. As a quick suggestion it might improve the look a bit if you aligned the table cells and/or used a similar layout (header/footer, gradient background) for the "read more" pages On 6/29/07, John McGregor wrote: > > I recently hired Nouvelocity Systems to host my new website > www.matureit.ca and they have been terrific, but there is a problem. No > client of Rogers can access it while its been proven that any client of > any other ISP both in Canada and the USA can load it easily. Do any of > you know of quirks with the Rogers network that Nouvelocity Systems > would have to implement in order to rectify this. I have contacted > Rogers and they have told me that they are getting their network > engineers to investigate (but I'm not sure that I should hold out for > much success on their end). > > TIA > > John > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 20:58:36 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:58:36 -0400 Subject: What is eating swap? In-Reply-To: <200706281709.04518.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200706281709.04518.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <468AB87C.4070607@utoronto.ca> Fraser Campbell wrote: > Funny that I haven't really run into this one before, hoping someone here has > ideas ... > > I have a box with lots of free memory where swap usage is growing (slowly) > despite lots of free memory and swap is actively being used (according to > vmstat). Here's what free has to say: > > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 1034640 439260 595380 0 34404 84544 > -/+ buffers/cache: 320312 714328 > Swap: 2097144 1793680 303464 > > It is RHEL4 (kernel 2.6.9-22.ELsmp 32-bit). > > There is no single process whose virtual size wouldn't fit within the 700MB of > supposedly free memory. Interestingly although swap use is growing, "used" > memory (the 320312 figure) is supposedly dropping. > > Normally when a box has free memory I can coax it into increasing the > filesystem cache easily (find /usr -type f -exec cat '{}' \; > /dev/null), in > this case filesystem cache does not grow at all no matter how much disk I > read ... this suggests to me that there really is no free memory, or perhaps > just that the kernel is in a really bad state. > > Is there a tool which can dig through memory to say which processes are > pointing at the swapspace? > > Red Hat has an FAQ on this topic and they suggest looking at the swapped field > in top (http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/FAQ_85_9807.shtm). As far as I can tell > they are completely wrong, all of the numbers from top look quite bogus (on > this and other machines). > > My other thought was that the box was hacked and some processes hidden from > me ... at least so far I don't see any such indication. > Try altering /proc/sys/vm/swappiness to a lower value (can only be between 0-100) and see if that decreases your swap usage. Won't find the problem, but will help troubleshoot I'd imagine. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 21:07:52 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:07:52 -0400 Subject: Call for job and 'extended hours' In-Reply-To: <20070703153311.GA8931-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070703153311.GA8931@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <468A8268.6840.12F6572E@sciguy.vex.net> > I just had a call with an HR person from a company downtown who's name > starts with water. The incumbent for said position is expected to work > the 'extended hours' 50 per week without overtime. They would not even > tell me the compensation range. When I mentioned that the position > might require two people instead the person on the phone seemed to think > that the position was reasonable as is. I know that I applied for this > position in the beginning of April. I can't help but think it is taking > them so long due to the excessive hours turning people off. > Sounds like some labour standards are being tampered with there. > Has anyone else had dealings with this company? What is with this habit > many companies have to not tell a salary range until the interview? > Wouldn't it save both the company and the candidate time if they knew > this before hand? > I have read in many places regarding interview skills that it is considered bad manners for the prospect to negotiate a salary range before the interview is completed. It is usually done as the last thing before the interview ends. Some employers will get the impression, according to those I've read, that you are more interested in money than the job, and will use that as a reason to screen you out and hire someone else. Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 21:02:51 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:02:51 -0700 Subject: Shell script help In-Reply-To: <20070703185641.GE8931-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070703185641.GE8931@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0707031402h436a2321g19ce4373e81d4cdf@mail.gmail.com> Maybe the lines are ending in a deletion character? Can you redirect the output to a textfile and share it with us? svn st>/tmp/output.txt Why the echo anyhow, or are you using $ST somewhere else? Regards, Tyler Aviss System Administrator/Technician LPIC/LPIC-2 p.s. On 7/3/07, Neil Watson wrote: > > Could some kind sole explain why these outputs are different: > > nhwatson at tor-lx-svn ~/test_repo/trunk $ ST=$(svn st); echo "$ST" > ? one > ? five > ! bar > ! four > nhwatson at tor-lx-svn ~/test_repo/trunk $ ST=$(svn st); echo $ST > ? one ? five ! bar ! four > > Where do the new lines go in the second example? > > -- > Neil Watson | Debian Linux > System Administrator | Uptime 14:55:17 up 21:19, 2 users, load > average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > http://watson-wilson.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 20:34:12 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:34:12 -0400 Subject: High Availibity project, need help - stuck In-Reply-To: <46803F45.9060605-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46803F45.9060605@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20070703203412.GA11089@watson-wilson.ca> On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 06:18:45PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: >Hi all, > > Has anyone here played with the http://Linux-ha.org stuff? I have worked with the Red Hat cluster suite: http://www.sage.org/pubs/whitepapers/watson_clustering.pdf Perhaps they are similar enough that the white paper will be helpful. -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 16:32:24 up 22:56, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 20:34:11 2007 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:34:11 -0400 Subject: Web hosting problem In-Reply-To: <46898EED.7030202-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46898EED.7030202@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4386c5b20707031334rd10c446o320bd656c4fb4a2e@mail.gmail.com> I'm a Rogers customer and the damned thing snapped up so fast my head is still spinning. Cheers, Aaron. On 7/2/07, John McGregor wrote: > I recently hired Nouvelocity Systems to host my new website > www.matureit.ca and they have been terrific, but there is a problem. No client of Rogers can access it while its been proven that any client of any other ISP both in Canada and the USA can load it easily. Do any of you know of quirks with the Rogers network that Nouvelocity Systems would have to implement in order to rectify this. I have contacted Rogers and they have told me that they are getting their network engineers to investigate (but I'm not sure that I should hold out for much success on their end). > > TIA > > John > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 20:37:28 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Test In-Reply-To: <46829CC1.50100-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46829CC1.50100@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <273113.2090.qm@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Madison Kelly wrote: > Is the list still up? I haven't seen anything in a > couple days, > including an earlier post I made. > > A Curious Madi I was speaking to Drew Sullivan late this afternoon about the list, and he found a problem that was causing most, but not all e-mail to not get forwarded properly. Give things a few hours and everything should be back to normal (or at least back to what ever passes for normal on this list :-) ). Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 20:34:49 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:34:49 -0400 Subject: Dead UPS In-Reply-To: <4689C7D4.9070106-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4689C7D4.9070106@rogers.com> Message-ID: <468AB2E9.2080802@alteeve.com> Stephen wrote: > So I come home and my UPS (that protects my Linux system) is dead. > > Nothing happens when I press the power button of reset. I assume it is > dead and I need to get a replacement. > > Anything I should try first? > > What is the best way to dispose of these things? > > Thanks > Stephen UPS's have a fuse in them, generally on the cable that goes to the batteries. It may simply be that this fuse blew. Also, may UPS's have circuit breakers that may have been tripped. Look at you UPS's docs. Please be careful! There is easily enough powerer in a UPS to seriously hurt or kill a person. A coworker of mine dropped his pair of edge-cutters onto the terminals of a UPS and it vaporized a portion of the blades. DO NOT OPEN THE UNIT UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING! It's like crossing the road; safe when you know to look both ways, but very dangerous otherwise. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 21:04:33 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Dead UPS References: <4689C7D4.9070106@rogers.com> Message-ID: Stephen writes: > So I come home and my UPS (that protects my Linux system) is dead. There is a lead acid battery inside so don't throw it in the garbage. If it's worth a few $ take it to the local electronic repair shop and tell them to check it out and give you an estimate. They will also help to get rid of the lead acid battery if necessary. Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 21:08:52 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:08:52 -0400 Subject: Meeting local linux community In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0706272046r21db7233xf61629cf12efd609-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0706272046r21db7233xf61629cf12efd609@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0707031408l4c7251aegcacac50f50bd6cf4@mail.gmail.com> On 6/27/07, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Just to add to my previous email, I'll be around Toronto from the 15th to > the 31st of July. I notice there's a "newTLUG" meeting (details TBA) but if > any of the local pros wanted to meet up beforehand or just at the meeting > I'd be happy to do so. Even though I'm no longer in the neighborhood, welcome! Might I suggest a trip to our most favored local cafe? (Directions can be found at http://www.linuxcaffe.ca/) There are a number of other good community groups worth visiting in the area - GTALUG (this group), NewTLUG, and WestTLUG most certainly among them. It's unlikely that I'd personally be able to make it out to a meet-n-greet, but hey! Drop a date and we'll see! I'm sure other personalities on the list would be able to regardless! =) -- Scott Elcomb [ http://www.psema4.com/ ] "Our Founders' faith in the viability of representative democracy rested on their trust in the wisdom of a well-informed citizenry, their ingenious design for checks and balances, and their belief that the rule of reason is the natural sovereign of a free people." - Al Gore (The Assault on Reason, 2008) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 21:14:25 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:14:25 -0400 Subject: little boxes [was: DECtop] In-Reply-To: <20070625192955.GA31194-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1182795519.12194.430.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <20070625192955.GA31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1183497265.12291.268.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 15:29 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > How much power can PoE supply? 12.95 watts according to the standard. I can see it being tough, but possible to fit a lower power processor (2watts) and 2.5" hard disk (2.5 watts) plus some extras. > > Here's *my* dilemma: I want to see this in the sub $300 range, case > > included. > > > > The EPIA mini ITX are almost there, we just need a cost effective case. > > You probably want it cheap too right? :) Well, it is just a piece of folded metal. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux conference for users by users. http://onlinux.ca -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 x5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fax: 519-883-8533 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 21:16:21 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:16:21 -0400 Subject: Web hosting problem In-Reply-To: <46898EED.7030202-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46898EED.7030202@rogers.com> Message-ID: <468ABCA5.6010901@ve3syb.ca> John McGregor wrote: > I recently hired Nouvelocity Systems to host my new website www.matureit.ca > and they have been terrific, but there is a problem. No client of Rogers > can access it while its been proven that any client of any other ISP both > in Canada and the USA can load it easily. I think you may have something else happening here. I access the Internet via Rogers cable. The site http://www.matureit.ca/ came up very quickly the first time I clicked on the link. I seem image of a person in a suit just to the left of the mission statement and links to "Our Services" in addition to three other paragraphs of information on the front page. I can send you a picture of the front page if you need proof I can see it. The logo in the top left corner (designed by Drew Hodge according to the message in the dark blue bar at the bottom of the page) looks like "mature-it". If people are trying to access the site using http://www.mature-it.ca/ that could be the problem. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 21:16:53 2007 From: sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Steve Harvey) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:16:53 -0400 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: <273113.2090.qm-N/0UzftCW16B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <46829CC1.50100@alteeve.com> <273113.2090.qm@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070703211653.GJ42333@shell.vex.net> On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 04:37:28PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > --- Madison Kelly wrote: > > Is the list still up? I haven't seen anything in a > > couple days, > > including an earlier post I made. > > > > A Curious Madi > > I was speaking to Drew Sullivan late this afternoon > about the list, and he found a problem that was > causing most, but not all e-mail to not get forwarded > properly. Give things a few hours and everything > should be back to normal (or at least back to what > ever passes for normal on this list :-) ). > > Colin McGregor When it got really dead on the list, I started to wonder if most people had gone off to Ottawa for the symposium. The die off seemed well timed. Steve Harvey -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 21:17:09 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:17:09 -0400 Subject: little boxes [was: DECtop] In-Reply-To: <768631270706270311t40dbbd68u449a0f89292bd9e4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1182795519.12194.430.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <768631270706270311t40dbbd68u449a0f89292bd9e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1183497429.12291.271.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 06:11 -0400, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > I was looking for some small boxen recently. > > I used netier terminals retro-fitted with laptop ide disks.. > > They work great, are small and has even a PCI slot :) Aren't those discontinued? -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux Conference for users by users. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 21:17:32 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:17:32 -0400 Subject: Call for job and 'extended hours' In-Reply-To: <468A8268.6840.12F6572E-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20070703153311.GA8931@watson-wilson.ca> <468A8268.6840.12F6572E@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0707031417h351a7c59vf598f677e1385a23@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/07, Paul King wrote: > > I just had a call with an HR person from a company downtown who's name > > starts with water. The incumbent for said position is expected to work > > the 'extended hours' 50 per week without overtime. They would not even > > tell me the compensation range. When I mentioned that the position > > might require two people instead the person on the phone seemed to think > > that the position was reasonable as is. I know that I applied for this > > position in the beginning of April. I can't help but think it is taking > > them so long due to the excessive hours turning people off. > > > > Sounds like some labour standards are being tampered with there. > > > Has anyone else had dealings with this company? What is with this habit > > many companies have to not tell a salary range until the interview? > > Wouldn't it save both the company and the candidate time if they knew > > this before hand? > > > > I have read in many places regarding interview skills that it is considered bad > manners for the prospect to negotiate a salary range before the interview is > completed. It is usually done as the last thing before the interview ends. Some > employers will get the impression, according to those I've read, that you are > more interested in money than the job, and will use that as a reason to screen > you out and hire someone else. My $0.02 disclaimer: IMHO. Having taken a number of "work experience programs" during my younger years (not that I'm all that old or anything) I've heard much the same thing many times. Since then though, I'm very much convinced this is a fallacy. On the surface it sounds good, particularly on the prospective employer's behalf. But consider; If a potential employee is not aware of what (s)he is worth, why should the company hire them? In this particular case, obviously the potential-employee does _not_ know what they are worth and will therefore only provide a "minimal benefit" to the company as a whole. An employee who knows what they are worth is capable of adding-to an existing organization. Adding-to is (with support of a company's executives) equivalent-to growth for the company. -- Scott Elcomb [ http://www.psema4.com/ ] "Our Founders' faith in the viability of representative democracy rested on their trust in the wisdom of a well-informed citizenry, their ingenious design for checks and balances, and their belief that the rule of reason is the natural sovereign of a free people." - Al Gore (The Assault on Reason, 2008) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 21:22:26 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:22:26 -0400 Subject: Web hosting problem In-Reply-To: <468ABCA5.6010901-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <46898EED.7030202@rogers.com> <468ABCA5.6010901@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <468ABE12.8080108@rogers.com> Kevin Cozens wrote: > John McGregor wrote: >> I recently hired Nouvelocity Systems to host my new website >> www.matureit.ca >> and they have been terrific, but there is a problem. No client of Rogers >> can access it while its been proven that any client of any other ISP >> both >> in Canada and the USA can load it easily. > > I think you may have something else happening here. I access the > Internet via Rogers cable. The site http://www.matureit.ca/ came up > very quickly the first time I clicked on the link. > > I seem image of a person in a suit just to the left of the mission > statement and links to "Our Services" in addition to three other > paragraphs of information on the front page. I can send you a picture > of the front page if you need proof I can see it. > > The logo in the top left corner (designed by Drew Hodge according to > the message in the dark blue bar at the bottom of the page) looks like > "mature-it". If people are trying to access the site using > http://www.mature-it.ca/ that could be the problem. > It works fine for me. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 21:41:17 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:41:17 -0700 Subject: What is eating swap? In-Reply-To: <200706281709.04518.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200706281709.04518.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <3a97ef0707031441r417d2b31i95bb660ba3c9cfbb@mail.gmail.com> You could try to manually figure it out. ps axwweo "vsize rss ruser pid fname" It should give you output like: 4268 916 taviss 20648 ps 1740 568 root 21396 pump As per my understanding: VSIZE (Virtual memory SIZE) - The amount of memory the process is currently using. This includes the amount in RAM and the amount in swap. RSS (Resident Set Size) - The portion of a process that exists in physical memory (RAM). The rest of the program exists in swap. If the computer has not used swap, this number will be equal to VSIZE. So that means that your VSIZE-RSS should indicate the amount of swap being used. From there, you could find out what is consuming lots of swap: ps -axwweo "vsize rss ruser pid fname" | awk '{print "Swap used from PID #" $4 " is " $1-$2}' However, you're right in that the results of such don't seem to be 100% true, as testing showed that you can have a bigger VSIZE than RSS on machines that don't use a swap partition at all. However, a big difference might lead you to the guilty process... On 6/28/07, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Funny that I haven't really run into this one before, hoping someone here has > ideas ... > > I have a box with lots of free memory where swap usage is growing (slowly) > despite lots of free memory and swap is actively being used (according to > vmstat). Here's what free has to say: > > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 1034640 439260 595380 0 34404 84544 > -/+ buffers/cache: 320312 714328 > Swap: 2097144 1793680 303464 > > It is RHEL4 (kernel 2.6.9-22.ELsmp 32-bit). > > There is no single process whose virtual size wouldn't fit within the 700MB of > supposedly free memory. Interestingly although swap use is growing, "used" > memory (the 320312 figure) is supposedly dropping. > > Normally when a box has free memory I can coax it into increasing the > filesystem cache easily (find /usr -type f -exec cat '{}' \; > /dev/null), in > this case filesystem cache does not grow at all no matter how much disk I > read ... this suggests to me that there really is no free memory, or perhaps > just that the kernel is in a really bad state. > > Is there a tool which can dig through memory to say which processes are > pointing at the swapspace? > > Red Hat has an FAQ on this topic and they suggest looking at the swapped field > in top (http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/FAQ_85_9807.shtm). As far as I can tell > they are completely wrong, all of the numbers from top look quite bogus (on > this and other machines). > > My other thought was that the box was hacked and some processes hidden from > me ... at least so far I don't see any such indication. > > -- > Fraser Campbell > Georgetown, Ontario, Canada > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 2 01:42:53 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 21:42:53 -0400 Subject: whiptail Message-ID: <1e55af990707011842r4d45933flac0e3c0c6236efcc@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone here used whiptail? I wanted to learn more about it, but I can't seem to find any sort of home page. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 22:01:07 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:01:07 -0400 Subject: Dead UPS In-Reply-To: <4689C7D4.9070106-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4689C7D4.9070106@rogers.com> Message-ID: <468AC723.6000902@rogers.com> Stephen wrote: > So I come home and my UPS (that protects my Linux system) is dead. > > Nothing happens when I press the power button of reset. I assume it is > dead and I need to get a replacement. > > Anything I should try first? > > What is the best way to dispose of these things? > First, remove all loads and then unplug and plug it in again and see if it comes up. It might also be a dead battery, which can be replaced. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 22:06:43 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:06:43 -0400 Subject: What is eating swap? In-Reply-To: <200706281709.04518.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200706281709.04518.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <468AC873.10507@rogers.com> http://www.thepcmanwebsite.com/media/pacman_flash ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 22:33:41 2007 From: sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Steve Harvey) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 18:33:41 -0400 Subject: Shell script help In-Reply-To: <20070703185641.GE8931-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070703185641.GE8931@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20070703223341.GK42333@shell.vex.net> On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 02:56:41PM -0400, Neil Watson wrote: > Could some kind sole explain why these outputs are different: > > nhwatson at tor-lx-svn ~/test_repo/trunk $ ST=$(svn st); echo "$ST" > ? one > ? five > ! bar > ! four > nhwatson at tor-lx-svn ~/test_repo/trunk $ ST=$(svn st); echo $ST > ? one ? five ! bar ! four > > Where do the new lines go in the second example? > Without the quotes, the value of ST is tokenized, throwing the newlines and runs of spaces away, and is mapped into (8 in this case) separate arguments to the echo command. The echo command then uses a single space as delimiter when formatting its output. Protecting with double quotes suppresses most processing except parameter substitution in this case, resulting in a single argument to echo. To further illustrate, try replacing the echo with a invocation of this simple script: #!/bin/bash echo "arg1 unquot " $1 echo "arg1 quoted " "$1" echo "arg2 unquot " $2 echo "arg2 quoted " "$2" -- Steve Harvey -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 23:00:42 2007 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:00:42 -0400 Subject: little boxes [was: DECtop] In-Reply-To: <1183497429.12291.271.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <1182795519.12194.430.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <768631270706270311t40dbbd68u449a0f89292bd9e4@mail.gmail.com> <1183497429.12291.271.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <768631270707031600j5249c7d1j207aa5bff7495849@mail.gmail.com> Yes, but there are allot of them on ebay and they go for $10-$25. Not bad when you consider they come with a AMD K6-III and use standard RAM :P On 7/3/07, John Van Ostrand wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 06:11 -0400, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > > I was looking for some small boxen recently. > I used netier terminals retro-fitted with laptop ide disks.. > They work great, are small and has even a PCI slot :) > > > Aren't those discontinued? > > -- > *Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! > * > *A Linux Conference for users by users.* > -- > *John Van Ostrand* *Net Direct Inc. * *CTO, > co-CEO* 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 > Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map > john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM > Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 3 23:59:54 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:59:54 -0400 Subject: Shell script help In-Reply-To: <20070703185641.GE8931-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070703185641.GE8931@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <200707031959.54939.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Tuesday 03 July 2007 14:56, Neil Watson wrote: > Could some kind sole explain why these outputs are different: [snip] That would be one genius of a fish. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 00:31:30 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:31:30 -0400 Subject: Shell script help In-Reply-To: <200707031959.54939.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20070703185641.GE8931@watson-wilson.ca> <200707031959.54939.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <468AEA62.2050209@rogers.com> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On Tuesday 03 July 2007 14:56, Neil Watson wrote: > >> Could some kind sole explain why these outputs are different: >> > [snip] > > That would be one genius of a fish. > Hmmm... I never considered fish to be particularly bright, let alone a genius. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 00:40:59 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:40:59 -0400 Subject: Web hosting problem Message-ID: <468AEC9B.9040901@rogers.com> > The logo in the top left corner (designed by Drew Hodge according to > the message in the dark blue bar at the bottom of the page) looks like > "mature-it". If people are trying to access the site using > http://www.mature-it.ca/ that could be the problem. When it works, matureit.ca loads nice and fast, but as of this writing, its unreachable again. Unfortunately its unreachable for far more time than its accessible. So the question stands -- does anybody here know of any quirks on the part of Rogers that would help make my site accessible on their network all the time? TIA John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 01:24:30 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 21:24:30 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting Problem Message-ID: <468AF6CE.5050204@rogers.com> Tyler Aviss wote: > Is it just web traffic that is blocked, or all (SSH, ftp) traffic? > > Also, have you (or somebody with Rogers) tried a traceroute to see > exactly where you're getting blocked off? Shaw took over all the > Rogers here in the west so I have no Rogers connections to test it > myself. When its down (like now), everything is blocked. I've done 3 traceroutes on Roger's behalf and sent them the results. Last Thurs. they told me that their engineering dept could see it, but when I told them that it was still inaccessible to me, they said they would investigate further. That was the last that I heard from them (although I didn't expect much effort over the long weekend). John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 01:30:10 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:30:10 -0400 Subject: Web hosting problem In-Reply-To: <468AEC9B.9040901-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <468AEC9B.9040901@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200707032130.11282.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Tuesday 03 July 2007 20:40, John McGregor wrote: > > The logo in the top left corner (designed by Drew Hodge according > > to the message in the dark blue bar at the bottom of the page) > > looks like "mature-it". If people are trying to access the site > > using http://www.mature-it.ca/ that could be the problem. > > When it works, matureit.ca loads nice and fast, but as of this > writing, its unreachable again. Unfortunately its unreachable for > far more time than its accessible. So the question stands -- does > anybody here know of any quirks on the part of Rogers that would > help make my site accessible on their network all the time? I have had mysterious DNS troubles with the Rogers network before and I am not alone. The usual response from Rogers is to delay, ask for traceroutes while ignoring the ones that were put in front of them, and otherwise deny problems. They eventually get it sorted out but have never admitted problems to me. However, in this case, I cannot get to that domain from Rogers or from any of the three different data centres in which we have servers, here in Toronto, in Chicago, or in Europe. Those data centres are all on different networks so the likelihood of it being a problem with all four networks is quite unlikely. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 01:33:22 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:33:22 -0400 Subject: Web hosting problem In-Reply-To: <200707032130.11282.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <468AEC9B.9040901@rogers.com> <200707032130.11282.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20070704013322.GA13066@watson-wilson.ca> On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 09:30:10PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: >I have had mysterious DNS troubles with the Rogers network before and >I am not alone. The usual response from Rogers is to delay, ask for >traceroutes while ignoring the ones that were put in front of them, Our network guys at work had a similar problem recently. It appeared that Rogers had a duplicate IP address on their network. -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 1 day http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dgardiner0821-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 01:45:11 2007 From: dgardiner0821-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Daniel Gardiner) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: linux distro runs W98 games? In-Reply-To: <468579C0.3050301-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <468579C0.3050301@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <805533.20355.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Chris Aitken wrote: > Sorry for the top post. I thought I'd include the > whole email as this > thread is so old. My FC Hardware Browser reports my > card as 82815 CGC > [Chipset Graphics Controller] Manufacturer; Intel > Corp. Driver: Intel > 815. Is this card likelty to work well with cedega > in light of the > information in this email? Or would it work better > on my daughter's > machaine (Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400 AGP. > Manufacturer: Unknown. > Driver: Card: Matrox Millenium G400)? > > Chris You might want to try asking in the Cedega forums at http://www.cedega.com/forum/; I've seen a few posts there from people with Intel cards. It probaby depends on what your video card card do under Linux and what the game requires. If your card doesn't support 3d acceleration or pixel shading then you may not be able to play World of Warcraft or Half-life 2, but something like Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego would probably work. Both Cedega and Wine maintain lists of games/applications and how well they work, at http://games.cedega.com/gamesdb/ and http://appdb.winehq.org/. You might want to check those first to see if either is known to support what you want to run. Xandros is the only distribution that I know of with the intent of running Windows applications, which they do with the Codeweavers product. Codeweavers also has a 30-day trial of CrossOver Linux if you want to try it out. I believe that most distros will have a package for Wine in the repositories that you can install with minimum fuss. Daniel > DANIEL GARDINER wrote: > > >--- JoeHill wrote: > > > > > > > >>On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:08:08 -0500 > >>Chris Aitken got an infinite number of monkeys to > >>type out: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I don't know that it would be great for games > >>> > >>> > >>anyway. Is > >> > >> > >>>there a distro that has successfully integrated > >>> > >>> > >>wine or winex or > >> > >> > >>>whatever so it can run Windows programs? I guess > >>> > >>> > >>they are older Windos > >> > >> > >>>programs because my son, for example, still wants > >>> > >>> > >>W98SE instead of newer > >> > >> > >>>OSs. He says his programs won't even run on XP. > >>> > >>> > >>Well, it wasn't *perfect*, but for the amount of > >>money (about $10), it > >>certainly was worth it: cedega. Yep, winex > >>repackaged, and maybe not in the > >>most ethical way, certainly not open. But I could > >>not resist, and I tried it, > >>and it bloody well worked. I was running > everything > >>from Halflife to Medal of > >>Honour to almost...Halflife 2 (whereupon my > hardware > >>gave out). > >> > >>Cedega will run a great deal of Windows games, is > >>very cheap for say, one or > >>two months subscription, which at least will get > you > >>up and running, then you > >>really need only pay when you absolutely have to > >>have the latest update, which > >>I never did for about 7 months. YMMV ;-) > >> > >> > > > > Be careful with the video card though; cedega > >doesn't work as well with ATI as it does with > Nvidia > >(which is probably due more to ATI than > transgaming, > >but that's a different thread). > > > > Codeweavers have recently started supporting > games, > >you could also give them a try (apparently World of > >Warcraft is already supported). An article I read > >recently suggested supporting them because they do > >release their code updates to the Wine project. > > > > You could also try Wine first and see if that > works > >for anything, especially if they are older games > that > >don't require the fancy video cards. Can't > remember > >when it came out but Icewind Dale runs just fine > under > >Wine on my machine. > > > > > >Daniel > >-- > >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 01:47:58 2007 From: dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org (Dave Bour) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:47:58 -0400 Subject: Call for job and 'extended hours' Message-ID: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F47302B1F166@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms> I've blown off a lot of those by putting my expectations at the inital discussion. The hours of those jobs don't bother me as that's almost standard today it seems. At least they're up front about it. Dave Bour Desktop Solution Center 905.381.0077 dcbour at desktopsolutioncenter.ca For those who just want it to work... Giving you complete IT peace of mind. (Sent via Blackberry - hence message may be shorter than my usual verbose responses) PIN 4cc364db (as of March 24, 2007) ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-tlug at ss.org To: tlug at ss.org Sent: Tue Jul 03 11:33:11 2007 Subject: [TLUG]: Call for job and 'extended hours' I just had a call with an HR person from a company downtown who's name starts with water. The incumbent for said position is expected to work the 'extended hours' 50 per week without overtime. They would not even tell me the compensation range. When I mentioned that the position might require two people instead the person on the phone seemed to think that the position was reasonable as is. I know that I applied for this position in the beginning of April. I can't help but think it is taking them so long due to the excessive hours turning people off. Has anyone else had dealings with this company? What is with this habit many companies have to not tell a salary range until the interview? Wouldn't it save both the company and the candidate time if they knew this before hand? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Shaw took over all the >> Rogers here in the west so I have no Rogers connections to test it >> myself. > When its down (like now), everything is blocked. > I've done 3 traceroutes on Roger's behalf and sent them the results. > Last Thurs. they told me that their engineering dept could see it, but > when I told them that it was still inaccessible to me, they said they > would investigate further. That was the last that I heard from them > (although I didn't expect much effort over the long weekend). > > John When John mentioned the problem to me (I work for Nouvo), I tried digging other domains on the same server/IP against Roger's DNS servers and got no resolution. Meanwhile, I tried third-party DNS checking utilities and found no problems. :/ I'm as stumped as John is on this one. Unless I've messed it up badly in some arcane way, I don't know what I did wrong. If it'd help, I'd be happy to post the SOA zone record. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 03:07:00 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:07:00 -0400 Subject: Web hosting problem In-Reply-To: <46898EED.7030202-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46898EED.7030202@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070703230700.62935405@node1.freeyourmachine.org> John McGregor left a post-it on the fridge: > I recently hired Nouvelocity Systems to host my new website > www.matureit.ca and they have been terrific, but there is a problem. No > client of Rogers can access it while its been proven that any client of any > other ISP both in Canada and the USA can load it easily. Do any of you know > of quirks with the Rogers network that Nouvelocity Systems would have to > implement in order to rectify this. I have contacted Rogers and they have > told me that they are getting their network engineers to investigate (but I'm > not sure that I should hold out for much success on their end). I am not a Roger's client, but I did take a look at the site to see what was what, and I noticed this: 5. Have you installed and software or hardware recently and if so what was it? I'm assuming that should be 'any', not 'and', no? Also, I kinda chuckled when I read this: 9. Did you smell anything coming from the machine? I bet a lot of your target audience is going to read that and go 'Wha?' =) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: Hey! What kind of party is this? There's no booze and only one hooker. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 03:27:50 2007 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:27:50 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting problem In-Reply-To: <46854B5C.1080108-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46854B5C.1080108@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200707032327.50680.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Friday 29 June 2007 14:11:40 John McGregor wrote: > I recently hired Nouvelocity Systems to host my new website > www.matureit.ca and they have been terrific, but there is a problem. No > client of Rogers can access it while its been proven that any client of > any other ISP both in Canada and the USA can load it easily. Do any of > you know of quirks with the Rogers network that Nouvelocity Systems > would have to implement in order to rectify this. I have contacted > Rogers and they have told me that they are getting their network > engineers to investigate (but I'm not sure that I should hold out for > much success on their end). Try to narrow it down, I would start with: * presumably your IP has recently changed, is it a DNS problem ... * can client connect to webserver but just not get the data/page ... * ??? that's all for now ;-) -- Fraser Campbell Georgetown, Ontario, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 03:33:55 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:33:55 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting Problem Message-ID: <468B1523.7070702@rogers.com> Joe Hill wrote: > I am not a Roger's client, but I did take a look at the site to see what was > what, and I noticed this: > > 5. Have you installed and software or hardware recently and if so what was it? > > I'm assuming that should be 'any', not 'and', no? > I'll fix that in the next iteration. > Also, I kinda chuckled when I read this: > > 9. Did you smell anything coming from the machine? > > I bet a lot of your target audience is going to read that and go 'Wha?' =) I very recently worked on a couple of beige boxes from a national Canadian manufacturer with a 3 letter name and both had suffered the same fate -- blown capacitors. When I opened the cases the smell was quite distinct. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 03:36:51 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:36:51 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting problem In-Reply-To: <200707032327.50680.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <46854B5C.1080108@rogers.com> <200707032327.50680.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <468B15D3.2000605@alteeve.com> Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Friday 29 June 2007 14:11:40 John McGregor wrote: >> I recently hired Nouvelocity Systems to host my new website >> www.matureit.ca and they have been terrific, but there is a problem. No >> client of Rogers can access it while its been proven that any client of >> any other ISP both in Canada and the USA can load it easily. Do any of >> you know of quirks with the Rogers network that Nouvelocity Systems >> would have to implement in order to rectify this. I have contacted >> Rogers and they have told me that they are getting their network >> engineers to investigate (but I'm not sure that I should hold out for >> much success on their end). > > Try to narrow it down, I would start with: > > * presumably your IP has recently changed, is it a DNS problem ... > * can client connect to webserver but just not get the data/page ... > * ??? that's all for now ;-) As best I can (John, correct me); 1. No, this is a new domain. 2. It is a virtual host on a shared server. If you enter the IP address (192.139.81.119) you should see the default Nouvo page. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 03:38:58 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:38:58 -0400 Subject: Web hosting problem In-Reply-To: <20070703230700.62935405-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <46898EED.7030202@rogers.com> <20070703230700.62935405@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <468B1652.5070700@alteeve.com> JoeHill wrote: > John McGregor left a post-it on the fridge: > >> I recently hired Nouvelocity Systems to host my new website >> www.matureit.ca and they have been terrific, but there is a problem. No >> client of Rogers can access it while its been proven that any client of any >> other ISP both in Canada and the USA can load it easily. Do any of you know >> of quirks with the Rogers network that Nouvelocity Systems would have to >> implement in order to rectify this. I have contacted Rogers and they have >> told me that they are getting their network engineers to investigate (but I'm >> not sure that I should hold out for much success on their end). > > I am not a Roger's client, but I did take a look at the site to see what was > what, and I noticed this: > > 5. Have you installed and software or hardware recently and if so what was it? > > I'm assuming that should be 'any', not 'and', no? > > Also, I kinda chuckled when I read this: > > 9. Did you smell anything coming from the machine? > > I bet a lot of your target audience is going to read that and go 'Wha?' =) Again, John please correct me if I get something wrong; The server isn't new, it's been hosting stuff for some time now. This is the first customer with resolution problems, but it doesn't seem to be restricted to his domain. The hardware is a Proliant server running Debian Etch. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 11:57:46 2007 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 07:57:46 -0400 Subject: Nigerian network hack night: Thursday @ linuxcaffe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: this post went out a week ago, but only popped out of the que last night. since then our deadline has been extended and missed again. We have one more chance to get the stuff on the plane tomorow, and that is to configure things like, TODAY, and then to BPX it to Ottawa tomorrow. It's less than ideal, bu, hey, it's a window. the hardware awaits enthusiastic expertise. If anyone is (capable and) up to it, let me know. Otherwise, we will build it asap and attempt to arrange shipping through alternate route. thanks, djp On 27/06/07, David J Patrick wrote: > > As some of you may recall, linuxcaffe has been talking (and talking > and talking) about building a network of laptops (turn-key ltsp + > supporting infrastructure + squid proxy (for sporadic net access) > tailored for educational use) we have a collection of hardware, and > students have been saving nickel for a year towards hardware. > link to story on our being-renovated-and-almost-totally-unnavigable > website > http://linuxcaffe.ca/project/indi/nigeria > > So we knew the deadline was approaching, and it has sprung upon us in > the form of this years exchange teachers flight to Nigeria, from > Ottawa, on the 4th or 5th of July, that's like a week from now, and > includes a glorious long weekend. > > so > > considering the long weekend, during some of which we will be CLOSED > (that's right, in a lake, on a dock, or a hammock) our window of > opportunity is tomorrow evening ! > We're going to assemble hardware, including purchase of required > connecting bits, and go nuts installing and configuring for a group of > teachers in a technically and politically hostile area, who may be > running 386s with Win311. It should be an interesting evening, and > volunteered stuff and savvy will be most welcome. Untill then, we've > got, like 24hrs to bat around ideas, on the list. > > thank you, > David J Patrick > > > -- > djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org > OR > davamundo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > www.linuxcaffe.ca > geek chic and caffe cachet > 326 Harbord Street, > Toronto, M6G 3A5, > (416) 534-2116 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org OR davamundo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org www.linuxcaffe.ca geek chic and caffe cachet 326 Harbord Street, Toronto, M6G 3A5, (416) 534-2116 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 11:05:31 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:05:31 -0400 Subject: test, test - are we back In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <468B7EFB.4070705@rogers.com> David J Patrick wrote: > the list has been down forever, is it back yet ? or did one freak > message get through ? > djp > No, no messages have made it through yet. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 11:11:12 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:11:12 -0400 Subject: Call for job and 'extended hours' In-Reply-To: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F47302B1F166-hbz38jcr0NLYZa0sO8Gwjj0STfaKdC/d@public.gmane.org> References: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F47302B1F166@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms> Message-ID: <468B8050.3020009@rogers.com> Dave Bour wrote: > > I've blown off a lot of those by putting my expectations at the inital > discussion. The hours of those jobs don't bother me as that's almost > standard today it seems. At least they're up front about it. > The employer and employee might do well to read labour laws about hours of work etc. Some of those offers are illegal, as they violate labour laws. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 04:58:48 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 00:58:48 -0400 Subject: little boxes [was: DECtop] In-Reply-To: <768631270707031600j5249c7d1j207aa5bff7495849-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1182795519.12194.430.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <768631270706270311t40dbbd68u449a0f89292bd9e4@mail.gmail.com> <1183497429.12291.271.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <768631270707031600j5249c7d1j207aa5bff7495849@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/3/07, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Yes, but there are allot of them on ebay and they go for $10-$25. > Not bad when you consider they come with a AMD K6-III and use standard RAM :P At some point, some of the folks at work plan to build very small DNS nodes essentially as cacheing servers to feed zones. One idea is for 1U boxes, but it would be mighty interesting to have something even way smaller than that... - If they're small enough and cheap enough, we might deliver a couple of them to each site; if one is noticed to fail, it could get shipped back, without needing much thought. - If they're low powered, and tiny, they might even borrow power from a USB port on something else, or such like, and just hide in an ISP, velcroed or taped to the wall. Those decTOP boxes seem like they may be just a bit *too* wimpy, but they're certainly in a cute-looking price range. One would hope that if they're $100 USD, that something more potent could be had for $200 USD, which is still cheap enough to make boxes smell "quasi-disposable." -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 11:32:12 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:32:12 -0400 Subject: Call for job and 'extended hours' In-Reply-To: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F47302B1F166-hbz38jcr0NLYZa0sO8Gwjj0STfaKdC/d@public.gmane.org> References: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F47302B1F166@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms> Message-ID: <468B4CFC.6260.2935A32@sciguy.vex.net> > > I've blown off a lot of those by putting my expectations at the inital > discussion. The hours of those jobs don't bother me as that's almost standard > today it seems. At least they're up front about it. > Fine, and I am not concerned about the hours either, in itself. I was more concerned about Scott mentioning that a certain employer expected a successful candidate to work 50 hours per week *without overtime pay*. I think things like lack of overtime pay are in violation of labour standards, and ought to concern people. You can blow them off and say "not for me", but in reality it shouldn't be for anybody. Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 11:16:54 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:16:54 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting problem In-Reply-To: <200707032327.50680.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <46854B5C.1080108@rogers.com> <200707032327.50680.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <468B81A6.3070409@rogers.com> Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Friday 29 June 2007 14:11:40 John McGregor wrote: > >> I recently hired Nouvelocity Systems to host my new website >> www.matureit.ca and they have been terrific, but there is a problem. No >> client of Rogers can access it while its been proven that any client of >> any other ISP both in Canada and the USA can load it easily. Do any of >> you know of quirks with the Rogers network that Nouvelocity Systems >> would have to implement in order to rectify this. I have contacted >> Rogers and they have told me that they are getting their network >> engineers to investigate (but I'm not sure that I should hold out for >> much success on their end). >> > > Try to narrow it down, I would start with: > > * presumably your IP has recently changed, is it a DNS problem ... > * can client connect to webserver but just not get the data/page ... > * ??? that's all for now ;-) > > What is the current IP address? That name doesn't seem to resolve now. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 12:24:09 2007 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:24:09 -0400 Subject: test, test - are we back In-Reply-To: <468B7EFB.4070705-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <468B7EFB.4070705@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 04/07/07, James Knott wrote: > David J Patrick wrote: > > the list has been down forever, is it back yet ? or did one freak > > message get through ? > > djp > > > No, no messages have made it through yet. ;-) damn ! hey............waitaminute... djp -- djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org OR davamundo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org www.linuxcaffe.ca geek chic and caffe cachet 326 Harbord Street, Toronto, M6G 3A5, (416) 534-2116 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 12:43:59 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:43:59 -0400 Subject: Call for job and 'extended hours' In-Reply-To: <468B4CFC.6260.2935A32-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F47302B1F166@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms> <468B4CFC.6260.2935A32@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <20070704124359.GA16735@watson-wilson.ca> On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 07:32:12AM -0400, Paul King wrote: >Fine, and I am not concerned about the hours either, in itself. I was more >concerned about Scott mentioning that a certain employer expected a successful >candidate to work 50 hours per week *without overtime pay*. I think things like >lack of overtime pay are in violation of labour standards, and ought to concern >people. I do not think there is such a law. If there is please cite it here. I'm sure we'd all like it as reference during our next review :) -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 1 day http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 08:44:43 2007 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:44:43 +0300 Subject: mail list terminology Message-ID: Hi pals, I needed to reset "site admin" password today for the mailman and the whole episode left me confused. I wonder if anyone here has gone though the problem. It looks like there are three users in mailman. Site administrator, listcreator, and members. All along, I always though we have two levels, site administrator and members - where members oversee a list and the former oversee all the list. That don't make sense after seeing this # /var/mailman/bin/mmsitepass -h Usage: /var/mailman/bin/mmsitepass [options] [password] Options: -c/--listcreator Set the list creator password instead of the site password. The list creator is authorized to create and remove lists, but does not have the total power of the site administrator. The last paragraph imply there is list creator and a site admin. What is the difference between the two? I really don't see list creator use and therefore I must be missing something. And does this guy map to any of the above names mailman:x:41:41:GNU Mailing List Manager:/var/mailman:/sbin/nologin Regards William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 12:47:28 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:47:28 -0400 Subject: Shell script help In-Reply-To: <200707031959.54939.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20070703185641.GE8931@watson-wilson.ca> <200707031959.54939.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20070704124728.GB16735@watson-wilson.ca> On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 07:59:54PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: >On Tuesday 03 July 2007 14:56, Neil Watson wrote: >> Could some kind sole explain why these outputs are different: >[snip] > >That would be one genius of a fish. In every school there's one who thinks his puntification is required. -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 1 day http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 04:14:20 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:14:20 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting Problem Message-ID: <468B1E9C.9040908@rogers.com> Madison wrote: > As best I can (John, correct me); > 1. No, this is a new domain. > 2. It is a virtual host on a shared server. If you enter the IP > address (192.139.81.119) you should see the default Nouvo page. I can confirm that this is a new domain. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 13:30:46 2007 From: smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sheldon Mustard) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:30:46 -0400 Subject: Call for job and 'extended hours' In-Reply-To: <20070704124359.GA16735-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F47302B1F166@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms> <468B4CFC.6260.2935A32@sciguy.vex.net> <20070704124359.GA16735@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <22e435080707040630s3250a8a9m5fbf8efb014abcd7@mail.gmail.com> On 7/4/07, Neil Watson wrote: > I do not think there is such a law. If there is please cite it here. > I'm sure we'd all like it as reference during our next review :) > I googled on this a bit as I was interested, I think in Ontario it depends on what "type" of job you do. The category that I am guessing most ppl on the list are in would be IT Professional which is "Not Covered" in regards to overtime. Some ppl on the list may be in the other two Professionals category which some of "Covered" and some are "Not Covered". http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/factsheets/fs_covered.html -- Sheldon Mustard smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org "There will be no order, only chaos." - Pi (1998) -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 13:55:57 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:55:57 -0400 Subject: Call for job and 'extended hours' In-Reply-To: <20070704124359.GA16735-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F47302B1F166@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms> <468B4CFC.6260.2935A32@sciguy.vex.net> <20070704124359.GA16735@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <468BA6ED.30200@rogers.com> Neil Watson wrote: > On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 07:32:12AM -0400, Paul King wrote: >> Fine, and I am not concerned about the hours either, in itself. I was >> more concerned about Scott mentioning that a certain employer >> expected a successful candidate to work 50 hours per week *without >> overtime pay*. I think things like lack of overtime pay are in >> violation of labour standards, and ought to concern people. > > I do not think there is such a law. If there is please cite it here. > I'm sure we'd all like it as reference during our next review :) > It's called the "Employment Standards Act, 2000 http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/DBLaws/Statutes/English/00e41_e.htm The two points in questin can be found here >From http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/DBLaws/Statutes/English/00e41_e.htm#BK24 17. (1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), no employer shall require or permit an employee to work more than, (a) eight hours in a day or, if the employer establishes a regular work day of more than eight hours for the employee, the number of hours in his or her regular work day; and (b) 48 hours in a work week. 2004, c. 21, s. 4. 22. (1)An employer shall pay an employee overtime pay of at least one and one-half times his or her regular rate for each hour of work in excess of 44 hours in each week or, if another threshold is prescribed, that prescribed threshold. 2000, c. 41, s. 22 (1). -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 14:19:58 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 10:19:58 -0400 Subject: Call for job and 'extended hours' In-Reply-To: <22e435080707040630s3250a8a9m5fbf8efb014abcd7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F47302B1F166@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms> <468B4CFC.6260.2935A32@sciguy.vex.net> <20070704124359.GA16735@watson-wilson.ca> <22e435080707040630s3250a8a9m5fbf8efb014abcd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <468BAC8E.4000706@rogers.com> Sheldon Mustard wrote: > On 7/4/07, Neil Watson wrote: >> I do not think there is such a law. If there is please cite it here. >> I'm sure we'd all like it as reference during our next review :) >> > > I googled on this a bit as I was interested, I think in Ontario it > depends on what "type" of job you do. The category that I am guessing > most ppl on the list are in would be IT Professional which is "Not > Covered" in regards to overtime. Some ppl on the list may be in the > other two Professionals category which some of "Covered" and some are > "Not Covered". > > http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/factsheets/fs_covered.html > Are employees, not contractors, considered "professionals" -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 14:31:43 2007 From: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org (Scott C. Ripley) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:31:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Call for job and 'extended hours' In-Reply-To: <22e435080707040630s3250a8a9m5fbf8efb014abcd7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F47302B1F166@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms> <468B4CFC.6260.2935A32@sciguy.vex.net> <20070704124359.GA16735@watson-wilson.ca> <22e435080707040630s3250a8a9m5fbf8efb014abcd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: i think it boils down to: (1) most (small-large) employers want to extract as much work from a salaried (fixed cost) employee as possible is it reasonable that such an employee should be protected? (via government regulation, employment contract, etc.) yes (debatable on perspective) - but (1) still applies. :-) of course if the employer abuses (1), there will be longer term costs: - employee turn-over, burn-out, etc. from the salaried employee's perspective: - do you want to work (long-term) for an "unreasonable" employer? if not: - become as indispensable to your current employer as possible (leverage) - attempt to negotiate change (likely unsuccessful) - find an employer with a different attitude (there are all varieties of employers out there) - change/specialize within/outside your field - acquire skills that are more in demand (leverage) - work as an hourly contractor - become an employer (business) and hire some underpaid help! :-) - ... some additional thoughts: - often employers want salaried employees to "think like owners", yet don't offer compensation arrangements "like owners": - business owner risk capital for profit - employees sacrifices/risk their time (often in un-fixed amounts) for a fixed salary + "promise" of bonus - sometimes employers have business models that would unsustainable if they had to compensate their loyal employees more fairly - people carry around incorrect assumptions regarding roles/responsibilities of: - business owners / shareholders - management employees - non-management employees - arguably we are indoctrinated to be "good employees" and believe: - you should consider yourself "lucky" to have a job - if you work hard your efforts will (always) eventually be recognized / compensated - entrepreneurs / business owners are a special breed & most people don't have what it takes - don't question management & business owners (they are smarter than you!) - salaried work + benefits is preferable to hourly work - being temporarily unemployed is a bad thing - buy lots of stuff and you will be happy - certain irony exists in the fact that truly good employees are hard to find anyways, this is a bit off-topic for this list... Scott On Wed, 4 Jul 2007, Sheldon Mustard wrote: > On 7/4/07, Neil Watson wrote: >> I do not think there is such a law. If there is please cite it here. >> I'm sure we'd all like it as reference during our next review :) >> > > I googled on this a bit as I was interested, I think in Ontario it > depends on what "type" of job you do. The category that I am guessing > most ppl on the list are in would be IT Professional which is "Not > Covered" in regards to overtime. Some ppl on the list may be in the > other two Professionals category which some of "Covered" and some are > "Not Covered". > > http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/factsheets/fs_covered.html > > -- Scott C. Ripley phone: (416)738-6357 www: http://www.scottripley.com email: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Secure Your E-Mail! http://www.mysecuremail.com/javascrypt/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 14:31:42 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Call for job and 'extended hours' In-Reply-To: <468BAC8E.4000706-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F47302B1F166@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms> <468B4CFC.6260.2935A32@sciguy.vex.net> <20070704124359.GA16735@watson-wilson.ca> <22e435080707040630s3250a8a9m5fbf8efb014abcd7@mail.gmail.com> <468BAC8E.4000706@rogers.com> Message-ID: <2959.74.98.135.97.1183559502.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > I googled on this a bit as I was interested, I think in Ontario it >> depends on what "type" of job you do. The category that I am guessing >> most ppl on the list are in would be IT Professional which is "Not >> Covered" in regards to overtime. Some ppl on the list may be in the >> other two Professionals category which some of "Covered" and some are >> "Not Covered". >> >> http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/factsheets/fs_covered.html >> > Are employees, not contractors, considered "professionals" My approach to this has always been to ask for 'time off equivalent to overtime'. So when there is a crisis, sure, you work the extra time, but then you get the time back. Time is your non-renewable resource in life. To me that's more important than overtime pay. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 14:36:55 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 10:36:55 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting problem In-Reply-To: <468B81A6.3070409-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46854B5C.1080108@rogers.com> <200707032327.50680.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <468B81A6.3070409@rogers.com> Message-ID: <468BB087.1010908@alteeve.com> James Knott wrote: > Fraser Campbell wrote: >> On Friday 29 June 2007 14:11:40 John McGregor wrote: >> >>> I recently hired Nouvelocity Systems to host my new website >>> www.matureit.ca and they have been terrific, but there is a problem. No >>> client of Rogers can access it while its been proven that any client of >>> any other ISP both in Canada and the USA can load it easily. Do any of >>> you know of quirks with the Rogers network that Nouvelocity Systems >>> would have to implement in order to rectify this. I have contacted >>> Rogers and they have told me that they are getting their network >>> engineers to investigate (but I'm not sure that I should hold out for >>> much success on their end). >>> >> Try to narrow it down, I would start with: >> >> * presumably your IP has recently changed, is it a DNS problem ... >> * can client connect to webserver but just not get the data/page ... >> * ??? that's all for now ;-) >> >> > What is the current IP address? That name doesn't seem to resolve now. The IP is 192.139.81.119 and my domain (alteeve.com) is on the same server and has been registered for ten years now. Does it resolve? Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 14:39:48 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 10:39:48 -0400 Subject: Nigerian network hack night: Thursday @ linuxcaffe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <468BB134.90900@utoronto.ca> Oh oh! I'm there! On my way in 10 minutes :) Jamon David J Patrick wrote: > this post went out a week ago, but only popped out of the que last > night. since then our deadline has been extended and missed again. We > have one more chance to get the stuff on the plane tomorow, and that is > to configure things like, TODAY, and then to BPX it to Ottawa tomorrow. > It's less than ideal, bu, hey, it's a window. the hardware awaits > enthusiastic expertise. If anyone is (capable and) up to it, let me > know. Otherwise, we will build it asap and attempt to arrange shipping > through alternate route. > > thanks, > djp > > On 27/06/07, *David J Patrick* > wrote: > > As some of you may recall, linuxcaffe has been talking (and talking > and talking) about building a network of laptops (turn-key ltsp + > supporting infrastructure + squid proxy (for sporadic net access) > tailored for educational use) we have a collection of hardware, and > students have been saving nickel for a year towards hardware. > link to story on our being-renovated-and-almost-totally-unnavigable > website > http://linuxcaffe.ca/project/indi/nigeria > > > So we knew the deadline was approaching, and it has sprung upon us in > the form of this years exchange teachers flight to Nigeria, from > Ottawa, on the 4th or 5th of July, that's like a week from now, and > includes a glorious long weekend. > > so > > considering the long weekend, during some of which we will be CLOSED > (that's right, in a lake, on a dock, or a hammock) our window of > opportunity is tomorrow evening ! > We're going to assemble hardware, including purchase of required > connecting bits, and go nuts installing and configuring for a group of > teachers in a technically and politically hostile area, who may be > running 386s with Win311. It should be an interesting evening, and > volunteered stuff and savvy will be most welcome. Untill then, we've > got, like 24hrs to bat around ideas, on the list. > > thank you, > David J Patrick > > > -- > djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org > OR > davamundo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > www.linuxcaffe.ca > geek chic and caffe cachet > 326 Harbord Street, > Toronto, M6G 3A5, > (416) 534-2116 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- > djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org > OR > davamundo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > www.linuxcaffe.ca > geek chic and caffe cachet > 326 Harbord Street, > Toronto, M6G 3A5, > (416) 534-2116 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 14:59:56 2007 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:59:56 -0400 Subject: Next Meeting: History, Oddities, and the search for the Perfect Window Manager Message-ID: <1f13df280707040759g6978c76ct881ba493a3978277@mail.gmail.com> There's been some discussion recently about advance notice for GTALUG meetings, so here goes ... Tuesday July 10, 7:30 PM, room 24x (where "x" is either "4" or "8" - it's changed recently) of the Galbraith building on the University of Toronto campus. Fearless leaders, please correct any erroneous details. The presentation is entitled "History, Oddities, and the search for the Perfect Window Manager" because I've spent good chunks of the last five years trying out every WM I can get my hands on. I'll talk about the history of Window Managers on Linux, what is a Window Manager, where we started, who borrowed whose code and ideas, standards (so often ignored), keyboard-friendly WMs, what languages are used, which WMs are smallest, helper applications, the eye-candy, and how to choose the best WM for you. I'll be demonstrating several of the window managers discussed. Take a look at http://www.gilesorr.com/wm/ for a partial preview. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 15:05:57 2007 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:05:57 -0400 Subject: Debian upgrade breaks nVidia support In-Reply-To: <20070703204213.GB11089-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070619185606.GA9161@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070703204213.GB11089@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20070704150557.GB8569@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 04:42:13PM -0400, Neil Watson wrote: >Does this help: >http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-6611ed0a262f140d27c82b29ca7e7a0865fce6bf That's a good page, well-written and simple. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 16:38:41 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:38:41 -0400 Subject: Call for job and 'extended hours' In-Reply-To: <2959.74.98.135.97.1183559502.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F47302B1F166@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms> <468B4CFC.6260.2935A32@sciguy.vex.net> <20070704124359.GA16735@watson-wilson.ca> <22e435080707040630s3250a8a9m5fbf8efb014abcd7@mail.gmail.com> <468BAC8E.4000706@rogers.com> <2959.74.98.135.97.1183559502.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <468BCD11.1070201@rogers.com> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >> I googled on this a bit as I was interested, I think in Ontario it >> >>> depends on what "type" of job you do. The category that I am guessing >>> most ppl on the list are in would be IT Professional which is "Not >>> Covered" in regards to overtime. Some ppl on the list may be in the >>> other two Professionals category which some of "Covered" and some are >>> "Not Covered". >>> >>> http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/factsheets/fs_covered.html >>> >>> >> Are employees, not contractors, considered "professionals" >> > > My approach to this has always been to ask for 'time off equivalent to > overtime'. So when there is a crisis, sure, you work the extra time, but > then you get the time back. Time is your non-renewable resource in life. > To me that's more important than overtime pay. > > Quite so and I do that myself. However, if someone is hired on the basis that they're expected to work unpaid overtime, I wonder how much luck they'd have getting time off? Also, some companies hire "contractors" as a means around some labour laws or to deny benefits. Microsoft was convicted of that a few years back. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 16:44:26 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:44:26 -0400 Subject: Call for job and 'extended hours' In-Reply-To: References: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F47302B1F166@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms> <468B4CFC.6260.2935A32@sciguy.vex.net> <20070704124359.GA16735@watson-wilson.ca> <22e435080707040630s3250a8a9m5fbf8efb014abcd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <468BCE6A.9050406@rogers.com> Scott C. Ripley wrote: > > i think it boils down to: > > (1) most (small-large) employers want to extract as much work from > a salaried (fixed cost) employee as possible > That doesn't happen here. I have so much spare time, that I make the Maytag repairman look like a workaholic! ;-) In fact, during the first interview, I was told I would have a lot of spare time and was asked how I'd fill it. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 16:51:46 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:51:46 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting problem In-Reply-To: <468BB087.1010908-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46854B5C.1080108@rogers.com> <200707032327.50680.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <468B81A6.3070409@rogers.com> <468BB087.1010908@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <468BD022.7020806@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > James Knott wrote: >> Fraser Campbell wrote: >>> On Friday 29 June 2007 14:11:40 John McGregor wrote: >>> >>>> I recently hired Nouvelocity Systems to host my new website >>>> www.matureit.ca and they have been terrific, but there is a >>>> problem. No >>>> client of Rogers can access it while its been proven that any >>>> client of >>>> any other ISP both in Canada and the USA can load it easily. Do any of >>>> you know of quirks with the Rogers network that Nouvelocity Systems >>>> would have to implement in order to rectify this. I have contacted >>>> Rogers and they have told me that they are getting their network >>>> engineers to investigate (but I'm not sure that I should hold out for >>>> much success on their end). >>>> >>> Try to narrow it down, I would start with: >>> >>> * presumably your IP has recently changed, is it a DNS problem ... >>> * can client connect to webserver but just not get the data/page ... >>> * ??? that's all for now ;-) >>> >>> >> What is the current IP address? That name doesn't seem to resolve now. > > The IP is 192.139.81.119 and my domain (alteeve.com) is on the same > server and has been registered for ten years now. Does it resolve? > I just tried from both home and work. At home, on Rogers, I tried pinging www.matureit.ca and got no response. I then tried alteeve.com and it worked, as did 192.139.81.119. All three work from my office on Sympatico. I then again tried www.matureit.ca from home and it now works. There was only a minute or two between the two attemps from home. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 16:56:00 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 12:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Call for job and 'extended hours' In-Reply-To: <468BCE6A.9050406-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F47302B1F166@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms> <468B4CFC.6260.2935A32@sciguy.vex.net> <20070704124359.GA16735@watson-wilson.ca> <22e435080707040630s3250a8a9m5fbf8efb014abcd7@mail.gmail.com> <468BCE6A.9050406@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3111.74.98.135.97.1183568160.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Scott C. Ripley wrote: > > That doesn't happen here. I have so much spare time, that I make the > Maytag repairman look like a workaholic! ;-) > > In fact, during the first interview, I was told I would have a lot of > spare time and was asked how I'd fill it. Maybe you should start your own project, for-profit or non-profit ;). Years ago, I recall the story of Canadian management who took over a shipyard somewhere in England. The Brit management had been preoccupied with their perks and liquid lunches and hadn't been keeping an eye on things. When the Canadians went down to the shop floor, they found the workmen had a thriving side business building and shipping prefab houses. Dunno whether they canned the guys or offered to set them up as a subsidiary enterprise ;). Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From michaelgalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 16:58:37 2007 From: michaelgalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A at public.gmane.org (Michael Galea) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:58:37 -0400 Subject: Debian upgrade breaks nVidia support In-Reply-To: <20070625195411.GD3137-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070619185606.GA9161@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070619185834.GB17934@watson-wilson.ca> <20070619211606.GA10007@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070620020506.GA22520@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070621202626.GB10007@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070622014951.GA3137@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070625161609.GG10007@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070625161716.GH10007@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070625195411.GD3137@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <468BD1BD.3080603@ruggedcom.com> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 12:17:16PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 12:16:09PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 09:49:51PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >>>> ii nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-4 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver >>>> ii nvidia-glx-dev 1.0.8776-4 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x / Xorg driver deve >>>> ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-k7 1.0.8776-4+2.6.18.dfsg.1-12 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18 >>> Current 2.6.18 kernel is 2.6.18-5 not -4, so you may have to rerun the >>> nvidia module building by doing: m-a a-i -t prepare; m-a a-i -t nvidia > > I did this, but it doesn't do anything, because the kernel I have claims > to be up to date, and I re-ran the nvidia module already. > >> Oh and it you updated to 2.6.21, well don't do that. 2.6.21 has a bug >> that makes it incompatible with the nvidia drivers. 2.6.22 when >> released will fix that bug. I am still on 2.6.18-5 on my >> testing/unstable machines because of this. > > I'm glad to hear that my problem is explicable, but I'm not sure what > exactly to do about it. Can you give me a pointer? Thanks. Hi William, Not sure this is your problem, but I fixed my broken nvidia on 2.6.18-4 with "cd /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers; gcc -shared -o nvidia_drv.so nvidia_drv.o" -- Michael Galea 30 Whitmore Road Woodbridge, Ontario, Canada, L4L 7Z4 Ph: (905) 266-1745 Fx: (905) 856-1995 www.ruggedcom.com NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete this e-mail and any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 17:04:55 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:04:55 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting problem In-Reply-To: <468BD022.7020806-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46854B5C.1080108@rogers.com> <200707032327.50680.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <468B81A6.3070409@rogers.com> <468BB087.1010908@alteeve.com> <468BD022.7020806@rogers.com> Message-ID: <468BD337.3090705@alteeve.com> James Knott wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: >> James Knott wrote: >>> Fraser Campbell wrote: >>>> On Friday 29 June 2007 14:11:40 John McGregor wrote: >>>> >>>>> I recently hired Nouvelocity Systems to host my new website >>>>> www.matureit.ca and they have been terrific, but there is a >>>>> problem. No >>>>> client of Rogers can access it while its been proven that any >>>>> client of >>>>> any other ISP both in Canada and the USA can load it easily. Do any of >>>>> you know of quirks with the Rogers network that Nouvelocity Systems >>>>> would have to implement in order to rectify this. I have contacted >>>>> Rogers and they have told me that they are getting their network >>>>> engineers to investigate (but I'm not sure that I should hold out for >>>>> much success on their end). >>>>> >>>> Try to narrow it down, I would start with: >>>> >>>> * presumably your IP has recently changed, is it a DNS problem ... >>>> * can client connect to webserver but just not get the data/page ... >>>> * ??? that's all for now ;-) >>>> >>>> >>> What is the current IP address? That name doesn't seem to resolve now. >> >> The IP is 192.139.81.119 and my domain (alteeve.com) is on the same >> server and has been registered for ten years now. Does it resolve? >> > > I just tried from both home and work. At home, on Rogers, I tried > pinging www.matureit.ca and got no response. I then tried alteeve.com > and it worked, as did 192.139.81.119. All three work from my office on > Sympatico. I then again tried www.matureit.ca from home and it now > works. There was only a minute or two between the two attemps from home. That's odd. I use the same template file for all domains I have SOA on. The only difference is the actual domain in question and the serial. Why does Rogers hate me so? ;) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 18:19:07 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Looking for BIG capacitors. Message-ID: <256625.12707.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I am looking to clear an old electronic project that I started a while back and then never got finished. The problem was the design I was following calls for a 0.33 F capacitor (yes, 0.33 F or a 330,000 uF cap., which is HUGE). Fortunately the highest voltage this capacitor should have to take is 5 volts, so it doesn't have to be a very high voltage capacitor, just high capacitance. I have not been able to source such big capacitor locally, I have tried the usual places (Active Surplus, Active Components, Electrosonic, Sayel, Above All) with no luck. Anyone know of a place locally that sells HIGH value capacitors? Or am a looking at the mail order route? Semi-related question, as the capacitor is to be used in a Linux infrared remote control box, I am also looking for a small project box, final size of which will depend of the physical size of the above capacitor, but ideally about 2" x 2" x 2" and one side transparent as far as IR is concerned. Sayel seems to be the best bet there, but none of what I have seen there is quite ideal. Again, any ideas? Thanks. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psmerdon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 18:38:25 2007 From: psmerdon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (peter smerdon) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:38:25 -0400 Subject: how to point a domain to a host? Message-ID: <84428fdd0707041138j63403a77xe4cb048b8e0bd64d@mail.gmail.com> Hello I have registered a .ca domain with www.internic.ca At this point in time I am unsure If I will purchase some hosting space or set up a Debian/Apache server at home. What I wanted to know was what is the next step? If I choose to host the site at home, how do I get the dns servers all over the web to point my domain name to my specific host? If I decide to purchase hosting, will they take care of that step for me? What are some reputable hosting companies here in the gta? I have a simple need, a site that could run wordpress and serve up some pics etc, 300-500mbs of disk *should* be enough, Any help with this would be really appreciated... thanks. Peter. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 18:41:27 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:41:27 -0400 Subject: Big capacitors Message-ID: <468BE9D7.10405@rogers.com> Try Paul Wolf Electric. They are at 775 King St. W. (at Tecumseh) 416-504-8194. I used them as a main electrical supplier when I was in facility management at Metro Central YMCA. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 18:55:07 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:55:07 -0400 Subject: how to point a domain to a host? In-Reply-To: <84428fdd0707041138j63403a77xe4cb048b8e0bd64d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <84428fdd0707041138j63403a77xe4cb048b8e0bd64d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <468BED0B.5090808@alteeve.com> peter smerdon wrote: > Hello > I have registered a .ca domain with www.internic.ca > At this point in time I am unsure If I will purchase some hosting > space or set up a Debian/Apache server at home. > > What I wanted to know was what is the next step? If I choose to host > the site at home, how do I get the dns servers all over the web to > point my domain name to my specific host? > > If I decide to purchase hosting, will they take care of that step for > me? What are some reputable hosting companies here in the gta? I have > a simple need, a site that could run wordpress and serve up some pics > etc, 300-500mbs of disk *should* be enough, > > Any help with this would be really appreciated... > thanks. > Peter. Full Disclosure; I work for Nouvelocity, a hosting (and other) company. :) If you host from home you will need to either have a static IP and run a DNS server. Generally two are required by most registrars, so that might be tricky. With the DNS server up you need to create a SOA (Start Of Authority) record for your domain and then tell your registrar that DNS servers X and Y are the SOA. If you have a dynamic IP address, you will want to look into dDNS (dynamic DNS). I haven't played with this, as I have a couple full DNS servers. There is a lot of info on the web though! If you want someone to host for you, generally they will handle the DNS for you. In this case, you point your registrar at their DNS servers and they handle the rest. As for hosting, there are a lot of options. Some run on Windows servers, some on *nix, and others give you a choice. With *nix hosts (like ourselves), some give you shell access, others use a web-based interface (we give shell access). Some offer limitied number of email addresses and so on and so on. With us specifically, we are starting to branch into general hosting. Up until now we've hosted only for our programming and service customers. With John McGregor though, we've started hosting for anyone. :) Currently we have one package; $50/year for 3GB of disk space and up to 200GB transfer/year. We offer DNS for you, and allow unlimited (within reason; ie: <100) subdomains and email addresses. We give you shell access, and can help with setup of MySQL and PgSQL databases. We support perl and php scripts and will install (most) modules you may need. Being that we are new at general hosting, we're being pretty liberal as we learn what most people are looking for. Also, we want to make you happy so that you spread the word. :) Madi PS - If you want to give me a ring my cell number is 647-501-5200. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 19:00:25 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:00:25 -0400 Subject: how to point a domain to a host? In-Reply-To: <84428fdd0707041138j63403a77xe4cb048b8e0bd64d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <84428fdd0707041138j63403a77xe4cb048b8e0bd64d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1183575625.12291.329.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 14:38 -0400, peter smerdon wrote: > What I wanted to know was what is the next step? If I choose to host > the site at home, how do I get the dns servers all over the web to > point my domain name to my specific host? You have to have a server that has a static IP address. Then you install bind (a.k.a named) and configure it to serve names for your domain. Then you update your domain registration to use your DNS server. Alternatively, most registrars will host a domain's DNS for you. > If I decide to purchase hosting, will they take care of that step for > me? What are some reputable hosting companies here in the gta? I have > a simple need, a site that could run wordpress and serve up some pics > etc, 300-500mbs of disk *should* be enough, Generally speaking a hoster will do that for you and often prefers to. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux Conference for users by users. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 18:59:24 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:59:24 -0400 Subject: how to point a domain to a host? In-Reply-To: <468BED0B.5090808-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <84428fdd0707041138j63403a77xe4cb048b8e0bd64d@mail.gmail.com> <468BED0B.5090808@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <468BEE0C.6000505@alteeve.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > peter smerdon wrote: >> Hello >> I have registered a .ca domain with www.internic.ca >> At this point in time I am unsure If I will purchase some hosting >> space or set up a Debian/Apache server at home. >> >> What I wanted to know was what is the next step? If I choose to host >> the site at home, how do I get the dns servers all over the web to >> point my domain name to my specific host? >> >> If I decide to purchase hosting, will they take care of that step for >> me? What are some reputable hosting companies here in the gta? I have >> a simple need, a site that could run wordpress and serve up some pics >> etc, 300-500mbs of disk *should* be enough, >> >> Any help with this would be really appreciated... >> thanks. >> Peter. > > Full Disclosure; I work for Nouvelocity, a hosting (and other) company. :) > > If you host from home you will need to either have a static IP and run a > DNS server. Generally two are required by most registrars, so that might > be tricky. With the DNS server up you need to create a SOA (Start Of > Authority) record for your domain and then tell your registrar that DNS > servers X and Y are the SOA. > > If you have a dynamic IP address, you will want to look into dDNS > (dynamic DNS). I haven't played with this, as I have a couple full DNS > servers. There is a lot of info on the web though! > > If you want someone to host for you, generally they will handle the DNS > for you. In this case, you point your registrar at their DNS servers and > they handle the rest. As for hosting, there are a lot of options. Some > run on Windows servers, some on *nix, and others give you a choice. With > *nix hosts (like ourselves), some give you shell access, others use a > web-based interface (we give shell access). Some offer limitied number > of email addresses and so on and so on. > > With us specifically, we are starting to branch into general hosting. Up > until now we've hosted only for our programming and service customers. > With John McGregor though, we've started hosting for anyone. :) > Currently we have one package; $50/year for 3GB of disk space and up to > 200GB transfer/year. > > We offer DNS for you, and allow unlimited (within reason; ie: <100) > subdomains and email addresses. We give you shell access, and can help > with setup of MySQL and PgSQL databases. We support perl and php scripts > and will install (most) modules you may need. > > Being that we are new at general hosting, we're being pretty liberal as > we learn what most people are looking for. Also, we want to make you > happy so that you spread the word. :) > > Madi > > PS - If you want to give me a ring my cell number is 647-501-5200. Sorry! For some reason the original message didn't get caught by my TLUG filter, so I thought it was sent directly to me. I apologize for the "advert" type message hitting TLUG. I should have double checked the "to:" field before hitting send! Madi, who will give herself twenty lashes as penance. ;) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 18:46:39 2007 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:46:39 -0400 Subject: how to point a domain to a host? In-Reply-To: <84428fdd0707041138j63403a77xe4cb048b8e0bd64d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <84428fdd0707041138j63403a77xe4cb048b8e0bd64d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4386c5b20707041146q7fd7bb9cu63742146e873a9d2@mail.gmail.com> Hi Peter, Much more fun to set up your own server. But you'll need to ensure it has a static IP, or you're using a service like DynDNS to point a domain name to your dynamic IP. www.dyndns.org To point a live .ca domain name to your dynamic IP address, you'll have to pay for it, but it's like $12/year, IIRC. This is probably the easiest thing to do. If you have a static IP address, then the answer depends on who you registered with. Some registrars will let you point a domain name right at an IP address -- they can act as DNS servers. Others require that you use a DNS service, where you have to supply two DNS servers (the second is a backup) to point to your IP. But if you're hosting on your own, DynDNS or something like it will be your best bet. Especially if you're doing it for the first time and it's not a high-traffic site. Cheers, Aaron. On 7/4/07, peter smerdon wrote: > Hello > I have registered a .ca domain with www.internic.ca > At this point in time I am unsure If I will purchase some hosting > space or set up a Debian/Apache server at home. > > What I wanted to know was what is the next step? If I choose to host > the site at home, how do I get the dns servers all over the web to > point my domain name to my specific host? > > If I decide to purchase hosting, will they take care of that step for > me? What are some reputable hosting companies here in the gta? I have > a simple need, a site that could run wordpress and serve up some pics > etc, 300-500mbs of disk *should* be enough, > > Any help with this would be really appreciated... > thanks. > Peter. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 19:42:41 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 15:42:41 -0400 Subject: how to point a domain to a host? In-Reply-To: <84428fdd0707041138j63403a77xe4cb048b8e0bd64d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <84428fdd0707041138j63403a77xe4cb048b8e0bd64d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070704154241.3d267ab4@node1.freeyourmachine.org> peter smerdon left a post-it on the fridge: > I have registered a .ca domain with www.internic.ca > At this point in time I am unsure If I will purchase some hosting > space or set up a Debian/Apache server at home. > > What I wanted to know was what is the next step? If I choose to host > the site at home, how do I get the dns servers all over the web to > point my domain name to my specific host? > check this out: http://www.zoneedit.com/ It's free, works great, and has never let me down. Does more than just DNS resolution too. Not sure exactly how they do it for free... -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Dr. Zoidberg: "Talk to the claw." Bender: "Bite my collosal metal ass." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 19:43:30 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 15:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Looking for BIG capacitors. In-Reply-To: <256625.12707.qm-PUkK9LDfIAyB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <256625.12707.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3225.74.98.135.97.1183578210.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Anyone know of a place locally that sells HIGH value > capacitors? Or am a looking at the mail order route? I was astonished to see in the window of an electronics store on Yonge street a 1 farad capacitor. I assumed that such a beast would be the size of a Markham Mansion, but not so: it was about the size of a breadbox. I gather that these things are used in automotive systems to help with the production of the gonzo bass so loved by males with small cars and even smaller self-esteem. So you might have a look through auto-audio suppliers. You might also find one of these referred to as an 'ultra-cap'. Of course, you can parallel up a bunch of smaller caps to make one large one. Generally speaking, it's a good idea to get the Digikey catalogue (now the size of a telephone book) and look in that to get an idea of what's available. Digikey deliver the next day to Toronto and the shipping charge is reasonable. We use them all the time for prototype parts. > Semi-related question, as the capacitor is to be used > in a Linux infrared remote control box, I am also > looking for a small project box, final size of which > will depend of the physical size of the above > capacitor, but ideally about 2" x 2" x 2" and one side > transparent as far as IR is concerned. Sayel seems to > be the best bet there, but none of what I have seen > there is quite ideal. Again, any ideas? Check out the plastic boxes produced by Hammond: http://www.hammondmfg.com If you find something there, I believe that Active Electronics in Willowdale will order it for you. Talk to Bibi, tell her Peter sent you ;). -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 19:59:54 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:59:54 -0400 Subject: how to point a domain to a host? In-Reply-To: <20070704154241.3d267ab4-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <84428fdd0707041138j63403a77xe4cb048b8e0bd64d@mail.gmail.com> <20070704154241.3d267ab4@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <468BFC3A.6000409@utoronto.ca> JoeHill wrote: > peter smerdon left a post-it on the fridge: > >> I have registered a .ca domain with www.internic.ca >> At this point in time I am unsure If I will purchase some hosting >> space or set up a Debian/Apache server at home. >> >> What I wanted to know was what is the next step? If I choose to host >> the site at home, how do I get the dns servers all over the web to >> point my domain name to my specific host? >> > > check this out: > > http://www.zoneedit.com/ > > It's free, works great, and has never let me down. Does more than just DNS > resolution too. Not sure exactly how they do it for free... A fair number people and companies I've worked with use them as a (free or paid) backup/failover dns provider in the event of a catastrophic nameserver meltdown of primary and secondary etc. servers. Their business is essentially selling DNS insurance after your first 5 free domains, likely you'll never need, it, but just in case, for a small monthly premium... More here: http://www.zoneedit.com/doc/faq.html#faq7 Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 21:34:06 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 17:34:06 -0400 Subject: Web hosting problem In-Reply-To: <468AEC9B.9040901-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <468AEC9B.9040901@rogers.com> Message-ID: <468C124E.1010006@ve3syb.ca> John McGregor wrote: > When it works, matureit.ca loads nice and fast, but as of this writing, > its unreachable again. Looks like it is a name server problem. Testing it just now I can pull up the page. Before I checked the site with a web browers I ran some tests with nslookup. $ nslookup www.matureit.ca ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached $ nslookup www.matureit.ca Server: 192.168.0.1 Address: 192.168.0.1#53 www.matureit.ca canonical name = matureit.ca. Name: matureit.ca Address: 192.139.81.119 Could the expiry time for the DNS records be set to too short a value? Even still, it is odd that it says "no servers could be reached" on my first attempt for today to check the site? -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 21:46:01 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 17:46:01 -0400 Subject: Web hosting problem In-Reply-To: <468C124E.1010006-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <468AEC9B.9040901@rogers.com> <468C124E.1010006@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <468C1519.1020201@alteeve.com> Kevin Cozens wrote: > John McGregor wrote: >> When it works, matureit.ca loads nice and fast, but as of this writing, >> its unreachable again. > > Looks like it is a name server problem. Testing it just now I can pull > up the page. Before I checked the site with a web browers I ran some > tests with nslookup. > > $ nslookup www.matureit.ca > ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached > > $ nslookup www.matureit.ca > Server: 192.168.0.1 > Address: 192.168.0.1#53 > > www.matureit.ca canonical name = matureit.ca. > Name: matureit.ca > Address: 192.139.81.119 > > > Could the expiry time for the DNS records be set to too short a value? > Even still, it is odd that it says "no servers could be reached" on my > first attempt for today to check the site? I keep the TTL at 600sec, which is low (but I have low volume, so it makes it convenient when applying DNS changes). I'll try bumping it up to the default/standard 10h now. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 22:03:16 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:03:16 -0400 Subject: Looking for BIG capacitors. In-Reply-To: <3225.74.98.135.97.1183578210.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <256625.12707.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3225.74.98.135.97.1183578210.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <468C1924.9090008@ve3syb.ca> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > So you might have a look through auto-audio suppliers. You might also find > one of these referred to as an 'ultra-cap'. The term I remember from some years back for caps of around 1F or so is "super-cap". Some of them are quite small considering the value. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 22:08:23 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:08:23 -0400 Subject: Web hosting problem In-Reply-To: <468C1519.1020201-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <468AEC9B.9040901@rogers.com> <468C124E.1010006@ve3syb.ca> <468C1519.1020201@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <468C1A57.9070905@ve3syb.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > I keep the TTL at 600sec, which is low (but I have low volume, so it > makes it convenient when applying DNS changes). I'll try bumping it up > to the default/standard 10h now. It is probably a combination of the expiry time for the domain entry as well as the refresh time. The refresh time should be in the range of 1/2 to 1/3 of the expiry time. You want the domain info to be sent out (or refreshed) before it expires. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 23:37:17 2007 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:37:17 -0400 Subject: Shell script help In-Reply-To: <468AEA62.2050209-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20070703185641.GE8931@watson-wilson.ca> <200707031959.54939.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <468AEA62.2050209@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070704233717.GA6379@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 08:31:30PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > On Tuesday 03 July 2007 14:56, Neil Watson wrote: > > > >> Could some kind sole explain why these outputs are different: > >> > > [snip] > > > > That would be one genius of a fish. > > > Hmmm... I never considered fish to be particularly bright, let alone > a genius. ;-) Any fish worth its salt would know the difference between "$ST" and $ST. Note the double quotes. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 4 23:43:24 2007 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:43:24 -0400 Subject: Various bits. In-Reply-To: <830583.76569.qm-N/0UzftCW16B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <830583.76569.qm@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070704234324.GA6468@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 03:41:05PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > - Several copies of SuSE Linux Enterprise 10 I'll take every pack you have. I want to distribute them to Tillsonburg LUG. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 5 01:04:27 2007 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:04:27 -0400 Subject: Debian upgrade breaks nVidia support In-Reply-To: <468BD1BD.3080603-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A@public.gmane.org> References: <20070619185606.GA9161@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070619185834.GB17934@watson-wilson.ca> <20070619211606.GA10007@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070620020506.GA22520@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070621202626.GB10007@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070622014951.GA3137@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070625161609.GG10007@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070625161716.GH10007@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070625195411.GD3137@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <468BD1BD.3080603@ruggedcom.com> Message-ID: <20070705010427.GF8569@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 12:58:37PM -0400, Michael Galea wrote: >>>>On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 09:49:51PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman >>>>wrote: >>>>>ii nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-4 >>>>>NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver >>>>>ii nvidia-glx-dev 1.0.8776-4 >>>>>NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x / Xorg driver deve >>>>>ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-k7 1.0.8776-4+2.6.18.dfsg.1-12 >>>>>NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18 >>>>Current 2.6.18 kernel is 2.6.18-5 not -4, so you may have to rerun the >>>>nvidia module building by doing: m-a a-i -t prepare; m-a a-i -t nvidia >> >>I did this, but it doesn't do anything, because the kernel I have claims >>to be up to date, and I re-ran the nvidia module already. >> >>>Oh and it you updated to 2.6.21, well don't do that. 2.6.21 has a bug >>>that makes it incompatible with the nvidia drivers. 2.6.22 when >>>released will fix that bug. I am still on 2.6.18-5 on my >>>testing/unstable machines because of this. >> >>I'm glad to hear that my problem is explicable, but I'm not sure what >>exactly to do about it. Can you give me a pointer? Thanks. > >Hi William, > Not sure this is your problem, but I fixed my broken nvidia on > 2.6.18-4 with >"cd /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers; gcc -shared -o nvidia_drv.so >nvidia_drv.o" That worked! Thank you! The question now is, what did I do? What does "gcc -shared -o nvidia_drv.so nvidia_drv.o" do, exactly? Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I never considered fish to be particularly bright, let alone > > a genius. ;-) > > Any fish worth its salt would know the difference between "$ST" and $ST. > Note the double quotes. > I guess that counts out freshwater fish :-) Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 5 02:48:20 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 02:48:20 +0000 Subject: Hello World! and MultiSync Message-ID: <1183603700.18424.10.camel@ubuntu> First off, a great big hello to everyone! It's been a while since I've been on the Linux scene, and it feels really good to have a desktop box again (running Ubuntu this time) rather than the corporate/ms restricted laptops. A question: has anyone gotten multisync to work, preferrably with a Nokia phone? I've heard rumours that it's possible to get multisync and gnokii to play nicely together, but it seems the default packages in Ubuntu don't support this. Cheers, -kms Kareem Shehata kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 5 10:43:45 2007 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 06:43:45 -0400 Subject: Looking for BIG capacitors. In-Reply-To: <256625.12707.qm-PUkK9LDfIAyB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>; from colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org on Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 14:19:07 -0400 References: <256625.12707.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070705104345.GA9487@localhost> On Wed Jul 04,2007 02:19:07 PM Colin McGregor wrote: > I am looking to clear an old electronic project that I > started a while back and then never got finished. The > problem was the design I was following calls for a > 0.33 F capacitor (yes, 0.33 F or a 330,000 uF cap., > which is HUGE). Fortunately the highest voltage this > capacitor should have to take is 5 volts, so it > doesn't have to be a very high voltage capacitor, just > high capacitance. Although huge in capitance, it need not be huge in size. I'm currently holding in my hand a 0.1F 5.5V capacitor. It is 1 centimeter in diameter and 4 millimeters high. It was removed from an old VCR where it was used to provide power to retain program settings during power failures. A 0.33F one should be easily availble and only a little larger (well, maybe 3 times larger, but still small :-). The problem with these so called "super-caps" is that they have a very high internal resistance, so they can't be discharged rapidly as could a normal cap. However, they work well in their intended purpose as substitutes for rechargable batteries in certain situations. As already mentioned, I would check out Digi-Key as a possible source. -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 5 11:59:04 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:59:04 +0000 Subject: Looking for BIG capacitors. In-Reply-To: <256625.12707.qm-PUkK9LDfIAyB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <256625.12707.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1183636744.5609.3.camel@ubuntu> On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 14:19 -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > I am looking to clear an old electronic project that I > started a while back and then never got finished. The > problem was the design I was following calls for a > 0.33 F capacitor (yes, 0.33 F or a 330,000 uF cap., > which is HUGE). Fortunately the highest voltage this > capacitor should have to take is 5 volts, so it > doesn't have to be a very high voltage capacitor, just > high capacitance. I have not been able to source such > big capacitor locally, I have tried the usual places > (Active Surplus, Active Components, Electrosonic, > Sayel, Above All) with no luck. > > Anyone know of a place locally that sells HIGH value > capacitors? Or am a looking at the mail order route? Very surprised active surplus didn't have anything, but they're stock changes all the time. Sayal sometimes has good stuff, otherwise you're best bet is something on the internet. BTW: What in the world are you looking to store that much charge for? Audio application or power conversion of some sort? Good luck! -kms -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 5 13:26:03 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Looking for BIG capacitors. In-Reply-To: <1183636744.5609.3.camel@ubuntu> References: <1183636744.5609.3.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <125465.41376.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Kareem Shehata wrote: > On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 14:19 -0400, Colin McGregor > wrote: > > > I am looking to clear an old electronic project > that I > > started a while back and then never got finished. > The > > problem was the design I was following calls for a > > 0.33 F capacitor (yes, 0.33 F or a 330,000 uF > cap., > > which is HUGE). Fortunately the highest voltage > this > > capacitor should have to take is 5 volts, so it > > doesn't have to be a very high voltage capacitor, > just > > high capacitance. I have not been able to source > such > > big capacitor locally, I have tried the usual > places > > (Active Surplus, Active Components, Electrosonic, > > Sayel, Above All) with no luck. > > > > Anyone know of a place locally that sells HIGH > value > > capacitors? Or am a looking at the mail order > route? > > > Very surprised active surplus didn't have anything, > but they're stock > changes all the time. Sayal sometimes has good > stuff, otherwise you're > best bet is something on the internet. > > BTW: What in the world are you looking to store > that much charge for? > Audio application or power conversion of some sort? Comes back to my on-going love/hate relationship with MythTV (great program but a TOTAL resource PIG!). Anyway what I want is an infrared transciever, so the MythTV box can both understand an IR remote, and can control other IR devices (like cable box, and VCR). The receiver part is painless, there are good, easy to build IR receivers plans available (I wrote about one for linuxjournal.com :-) ), the transmitter is the problem. How do you provide power to light the IR LED? Well, the conventional answers are: - You don't really, basically you just put in an IR LED and a resistor on the serial port. Works, but you get an IR transmit range measured in inches. - You connect the transmitter up to a wall tumour style transformer and power the IR LED that way. Neither of the above is ideal. Then I ran across a design that uses a high capacity capacitor as a battery. The serial port is always trickle charging the capacitor, and the IR LED gets its power off the capacitor. As long as you don't go for high duty cycles the IR LED should have a range in tens of feet. So, long range, and just one (serial) cable from PC to IR box. Only downside is one pain in the butt part to source (plus the previously noted smaller problem of looking for a really nice looking way to package the final result). > Good luck! Thanks. > -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 5 13:38:27 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 09:38:27 -0400 Subject: Looking for BIG capacitors. In-Reply-To: <125465.41376.qm-7EKNVtTItHqB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <125465.41376.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <468CF453.1030403@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > Comes back to my on-going love/hate relationship with > MythTV (great program but a TOTAL resource PIG!). > Anyway what I want is an infrared transciever, so the > MythTV box can both understand an IR remote, and can > control other IR devices (like cable box, and VCR). > The receiver part is painless, there are good, easy to > build IR receivers plans available (I wrote about one > for linuxjournal.com :-) ), the transmitter is the > problem. How do you provide power to light the IR LED? > Well, the conventional answers are: > > - You don't really, basically you just put in an IR > LED and a resistor on the serial port. Works, but you > get an IR transmit range measured in inches. > > - You connect the transmitter up to a wall tumour > style transformer and power the IR LED that way. > > Neither of the above is ideal. Then I ran across a > design that uses a high capacity capacitor as a > battery. The serial port is always trickle charging > the capacitor, and the IR LED gets its power off the > capacitor. As long as you don't go for high duty > cycles the IR LED should have a range in tens of feet. > > So, long range, and just one (serial) cable from PC to > IR box. Only downside is one pain in the butt part to > source (plus the previously noted smaller problem of > looking for a really nice looking way to package the > final result). > > So, why not use a battery? -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 5 14:14:06 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:14:06 -0400 Subject: Looking for BIG capacitors. In-Reply-To: <468CF453.1030403-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <125465.41376.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <468CF453.1030403@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1183644846.5609.6.camel@ubuntu> On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 09:38 -0400, James Knott wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > > Comes back to my on-going love/hate relationship with > > MythTV (great program but a TOTAL resource PIG!). > > Anyway what I want is an infrared transciever, so the > > MythTV box can both understand an IR remote, and can > > control other IR devices (like cable box, and VCR). > > The receiver part is painless, there are good, easy to > > build IR receivers plans available (I wrote about one > > for linuxjournal.com :-) ), the transmitter is the > > problem. How do you provide power to light the IR LED? > > Well, the conventional answers are: > > > > - You don't really, basically you just put in an IR > > LED and a resistor on the serial port. Works, but you > > get an IR transmit range measured in inches. > > > > - You connect the transmitter up to a wall tumour > > style transformer and power the IR LED that way. > > > > Neither of the above is ideal. Then I ran across a > > design that uses a high capacity capacitor as a > > battery. The serial port is always trickle charging > > the capacitor, and the IR LED gets its power off the > > capacitor. As long as you don't go for high duty > > cycles the IR LED should have a range in tens of feet. > > > > So, long range, and just one (serial) cable from PC to > > IR box. Only downside is one pain in the butt part to > > source (plus the previously noted smaller problem of > > looking for a really nice looking way to package the > > final result). > > > > > So, why not use a battery? .... or an array of smaller capacitors in parallel, until you find the right size. This way you can test the design out and tweak it before committing to an expensive part. It's also the kind of thing you can do right now. Batteries would definitely be simpler, though I understand not wanting to keep replacing them. -kms -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 5 15:39:43 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:39:43 -0400 Subject: RMS Talk at University of Toronto Mississauga Message-ID: <468D10BF.6080403@utoronto.ca> http://www.utm.utoronto.ca/361.0.html?&tx_mininews_pi1[showUid]=1895&tx_mininews_pi1[backPid]=51&cHash=110471a7f6 In Summary: World-renowned activist and free software developer Richard Stallman, founder of the free software movement, will speak on Copyright vs. Community in the Age of Computer Networks on Thursday, July 5, at 5 p.m., Matthews Auditorium (Room 137), Kaneff Centre, University of Toronto Mississauga, 3359 Mississauga Rd. N. There is the Mississauga Transit Dundas West 1C route which connects Islington Subway Station to the University. A schedule for this route is available here: http://www4.mississauga.ca/ClicknRide/TimetableDetailsForm.aspx?moniker=Vmlld1RpbWV0YWJsZTpUaW1ldGFibGVEZXRhaWxzOjE4YjIwNjhiLTFlMTYtNGRmMi1iYzI1LTQ2NmE0ODRjODYxYjo0MTQ2NGUxMS1kMDM1LTQ1OWItYTJkMC01OTJjZjNhODIzMjQ= Further links available here: http://www.utm.utoronto.ca/1647.0.html. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From michaelgalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 5 17:00:42 2007 From: michaelgalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A at public.gmane.org (Michael Galea) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:00:42 -0400 Subject: Debian upgrade breaks nVidia support In-Reply-To: <20070705010427.GF8569-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20070619185606.GA9161@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070619185834.GB17934@watson-wilson.ca> <20070619211606.GA10007@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070620020506.GA22520@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070621202626.GB10007@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070622014951.GA3137@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20070625161609.GG10007@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070625161716.GH10007@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070625195411.GD3137@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <468BD1BD.3080603@ruggedcom.com> <20070705010427.GF8569@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <468D23BA.7010909@ruggedcom.com> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 12:58:37PM -0400, Michael Galea wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 09:49:51PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> ii nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-4 >>>>>> NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver >>>>>> ii nvidia-glx-dev 1.0.8776-4 >>>>>> NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x / Xorg driver deve >>>>>> ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-k7 1.0.8776-4+2.6.18.dfsg.1-12 >>>>>> NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18 >>>>> Current 2.6.18 kernel is 2.6.18-5 not -4, so you may have to rerun the >>>>> nvidia module building by doing: m-a a-i -t prepare; m-a a-i -t nvidia >>> I did this, but it doesn't do anything, because the kernel I have claims >>> to be up to date, and I re-ran the nvidia module already. >>> >>>> Oh and it you updated to 2.6.21, well don't do that. 2.6.21 has a bug >>>> that makes it incompatible with the nvidia drivers. 2.6.22 when >>>> released will fix that bug. I am still on 2.6.18-5 on my >>>> testing/unstable machines because of this. >>> I'm glad to hear that my problem is explicable, but I'm not sure what >>> exactly to do about it. Can you give me a pointer? Thanks. >> Hi William, >> Not sure this is your problem, but I fixed my broken nvidia on >> 2.6.18-4 with >> "cd /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers; gcc -shared -o nvidia_drv.so >> nvidia_drv.o" > > That worked! Thank you! The question now is, what did I do? What does > "gcc -shared -o nvidia_drv.so nvidia_drv.o" do, exactly? Thanks. I gather debian needs the object in the shared form (i.e. can be linked with other objects to form an executable). You just manipulated the driver to produce the shared form. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420354 It looks like the developer for nvidia-glx forgot something. I would expect that next the next build will catch that. -- Michael Galea -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 5 17:26:55 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Looking for BIG capacitors. In-Reply-To: <1183644846.5609.6.camel@ubuntu> References: <1183644846.5609.6.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <814923.92513.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Kareem Shehata wrote: > On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 09:38 -0400, James Knott > wrote: > > > Colin McGregor wrote: > > > Comes back to my on-going love/hate relationship > with > > > MythTV (great program but a TOTAL resource > PIG!). > > > Anyway what I want is an infrared transciever, > so the > > > MythTV box can both understand an IR remote, and > can > > > control other IR devices (like cable box, and > VCR). > > > The receiver part is painless, there are good, > easy to > > > build IR receivers plans available (I wrote > about one > > > for linuxjournal.com :-) ), the transmitter is > the > > > problem. How do you provide power to light the > IR LED? > > > Well, the conventional answers are: > > > > > > - You don't really, basically you just put in an > IR > > > LED and a resistor on the serial port. Works, > but you > > > get an IR transmit range measured in inches. > > > > > > - You connect the transmitter up to a wall > tumour > > > style transformer and power the IR LED that way. > > > > > > Neither of the above is ideal. Then I ran across > a > > > design that uses a high capacity capacitor as a > > > battery. The serial port is always trickle > charging > > > the capacitor, and the IR LED gets its power off > the > > > capacitor. As long as you don't go for high duty > > > cycles the IR LED should have a range in tens of > feet. > > > > > > So, long range, and just one (serial) cable from > PC to > > > IR box. Only downside is one pain in the butt > part to > > > source (plus the previously noted smaller > problem of > > > looking for a really nice looking way to package > the > > > final result). > > > > > > > > So, why not use a battery? > > > .... or an array of smaller capacitors in parallel, > until you find the > right size. This way you can test the design out > and tweak it before > committing to an expensive part. It's also the kind > of thing you can do > right now. Attempting to find capacitors anywhere close to 0.33 F is an issue, It isn't like I could painlessly find say two 0.16 F capacitors and run them in parallel :-( . Digi-Key looks like the route I will have to follow :-( . > Batteries would definitely be simpler, though I > understand not wanting > to keep replacing them. Exactly, avoid batteries if at all possible is my view in all of this :-) . > -kms > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 5 17:41:56 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RMS Talk at University of Toronto Mississauga In-Reply-To: <468D10BF.6080403-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <468D10BF.6080403@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4069.74.98.135.97.1183657316.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> If anyone is interested in a lift to this event from downtown Toronto, I have room for 2 passengers. You'd need to meet me at the Chester subway - or some point on Carlaw south of the Danforth - at 3:40. Let me know by phone at 416-465-3007 if you're interested. Peter, (who *deliberately* top-posts, on occasion ;) > http://www.utm.utoronto.ca/361.0.html?&tx_mininews_pi1[showUid]=1895&tx_mininews_pi1[backPid]=51&cHash=110471a7f6 > > In Summary: > > World-renowned activist and free software developer Richard Stallman, > founder of the free software movement, will speak on Copyright vs. > Community in the Age of Computer Networks on Thursday, July 5, at 5 > p.m., Matthews Auditorium (Room 137), Kaneff Centre, University of > Toronto Mississauga, 3359 Mississauga Rd. N. > > There is the Mississauga Transit Dundas West 1C route which connects > Islington Subway Station to the University. > > A schedule for this route is available here: > > http://www4.mississauga.ca/ClicknRide/TimetableDetailsForm.aspx?moniker=Vmlld1RpbWV0YWJsZTpUaW1ldGFibGVEZXRhaWxzOjE4YjIwNjhiLTFlMTYtNGRmMi1iYzI1LTQ2NmE0ODRjODYxYjo0MTQ2NGUxMS1kMDM1LTQ1OWItYTJkMC01OTJjZjNhODIzMjQ= > > Further links available here: http://www.utm.utoronto.ca/1647.0.html. > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 5 23:29:36 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:29:36 -0400 Subject: Looking for BIG capacitors. In-Reply-To: <814923.92513.qm-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <814923.92513.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1183678176.12445.3.camel@ubuntu> On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 13:26 -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > > > So, why not use a battery? > > > > > > .... or an array of smaller capacitors in parallel, > > until you find the > > right size. This way you can test the design out > > and tweak it before > > committing to an expensive part. It's also the kind > > of thing you can do > > right now. > > Attempting to find capacitors anywhere close to 0.33 F > is an issue, It isn't like I could painlessly find say > two 0.16 F capacitors and run them in parallel :-( . > > Digi-Key looks like the route I will have to follow > :-( . > > > Batteries would definitely be simpler, though I > > understand not wanting > > to keep replacing them. > > Exactly, avoid batteries if at all possible is my view > in all of this :-) . Actually, I think there's a way to avoid batteries and capacitors. There's already a whole whack of rails already built into your PC, so use them! Pull a line of off the power supply on either a spare drive connector and use the 5V rail from there. It won't be pretty, but it'll work a ton better than a huge cap. -kms -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 00:38:02 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:38:02 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting problem In-Reply-To: <46854B5C.1080108-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46854B5C.1080108@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070706003802.GA2548@waltdnes.org> On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 02:11:40PM -0400, John McGregor wrote > I recently hired Nouvelocity Systems to host my new website > www.matureit.ca and they have been terrific, but there is a problem. > No client of Rogers can access it while its been proven that any > client of any other ISP both in Canada and the USA can load it > easily. Do any of you know of quirks with the Rogers network that > Nouvelocity Systems would have to implement in order to rectify > this. I have contacted Rogers and they have told me that they are > getting their network engineers to investigate (but I'm not sure > that I should hold out for much success on their end). There has been a thread about similar problems with other websites for Rogers clients on the digitalhome.ca forum. The problem seems to be... * IANA has allocated the 99.0.0.0/8 IP address block to ARIN as of October 2006 * ARIN has recently allocated Rogers some address space in that block * As a defensive measure against spammers and assorted bad guys who temporarily set up in "unallocated address space", many ISPs have started blocking "bogon" address space, including "IANA reserved" IP address space. This is *NOT* Rogers' fault. Either Nouvelocity, or someone upstream of them has an out-of-date "bogon address list", and is blocking all traffic from 99.0.0.0/8. Ask Nouvelocity to check if they, or any of their upstreams is blocking that address space, and to please stop blocking it. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jthiele-bux5bdj6uGJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 00:51:36 2007 From: jthiele-bux5bdj6uGJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Jon Thiele) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:51:36 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting problem In-Reply-To: <20070706003802.GA2548-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <46854B5C.1080108@rogers.com> <20070706003802.GA2548@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <001601c7bf67$ceac3f00$c601a8c0@plex31> Hey John, You should ask the admins at Nouvelocity what clock date their servers are using. When I went to your page, it tells me it Monday, 17 January... -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Walter Dnes Sent: 5-Jul-07 8:38 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Web Hosting problem On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 02:11:40PM -0400, John McGregor wrote > I recently hired Nouvelocity Systems to host my new website > www.matureit.ca and they have been terrific, but there is a problem. > No client of Rogers can access it while its been proven that any > client of any other ISP both in Canada and the USA can load it > easily. Do any of you know of quirks with the Rogers network that > Nouvelocity Systems would have to implement in order to rectify > this. I have contacted Rogers and they have told me that they are > getting their network engineers to investigate (but I'm not sure > that I should hold out for much success on their end). There has been a thread about similar problems with other websites for Rogers clients on the digitalhome.ca forum. The problem seems to be... * IANA has allocated the 99.0.0.0/8 IP address block to ARIN as of October 2006 * ARIN has recently allocated Rogers some address space in that block * As a defensive measure against spammers and assorted bad guys who temporarily set up in "unallocated address space", many ISPs have started blocking "bogon" address space, including "IANA reserved" IP address space. This is *NOT* Rogers' fault. Either Nouvelocity, or someone upstream of them has an out-of-date "bogon address list", and is blocking all traffic from 99.0.0.0/8. Ask Nouvelocity to check if they, or any of their upstreams is blocking that address space, and to please stop blocking it. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 00:51:45 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:51:45 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting problem In-Reply-To: <20070706003802.GA2548-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <46854B5C.1080108@rogers.com> <20070706003802.GA2548@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <468D9221.2040004@alteeve.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > There has been a thread about similar problems with other websites for > Rogers clients on the digitalhome.ca forum. The problem seems to be... > > * IANA has allocated the 99.0.0.0/8 IP address block to ARIN as of > October 2006 > > * ARIN has recently allocated Rogers some address space in that block > > * As a defensive measure against spammers and assorted bad guys who > temporarily set up in "unallocated address space", many ISPs have > started blocking "bogon" address space, including "IANA reserved" > IP address space. > > This is *NOT* Rogers' fault. Either Nouvelocity, or someone upstream > of them has an out-of-date "bogon address list", and is blocking all > traffic from 99.0.0.0/8. Ask Nouvelocity to check if they, or any of > their upstreams is blocking that address space, and to please stop > blocking it. Thanks for the info! I am the sysadmin for Nouvelocity, so this is my issue. Our firewall has no such blocks, so tomorrow I will ask out upstream provider if they might be. May I ask; the webserver in question is at 192.139.81.119. I know 192.168.0.0/16 is reserved, but where does the 99.0.0.0/8 network come into play? I may well be guilty of missing the obvious here. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 00:57:49 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:57:49 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting problem In-Reply-To: <001601c7bf67$ceac3f00$c601a8c0@plex31> References: <46854B5C.1080108@rogers.com> <20070706003802.GA2548@waltdnes.org> <001601c7bf67$ceac3f00$c601a8c0@plex31> Message-ID: <468D938D.6000809@alteeve.com> Jon Thiele wrote: > Hey John, > > You should ask the admins at Nouvelocity what clock date their servers are > using. When I went to your page, it tells me it Monday, 17 January... # date Thu Jul 5 20:56:38 EDT 2007 # ntpdate tick.redhat.com 5 Jul 20:59:08 ntpdate[18744]: step time server 66.187.224.4 offset 99.566713 sec :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 02:07:37 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:07:37 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting Problem Message-ID: <468DA3E9.1040600@rogers.com> Jon Thiele wrote: > You should ask the admins at Nouvelocity what clock date their servers are > using. When I went to your page, it tells me it Monday, 17 January... I was hoping that nobody would notice.:lol: As it happens, I decided that little featurette adds nothing to the site and that it will disappear with the next iteration and that change will take place once the major issue we are having with the site is resolved. It looks like the information that Walter Dnes provided tonight will go a long way to solving that issue once and for all. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price at utoronto.ca Fri Jul 6 03:22:57 2007 From: matt.price at utoronto.ca (Matt Price) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:22:57 -0400 Subject: tell ipod a recording is an 'audiobook'? Message-ID: <1183692177.14209.79.camel@localhost> hi, gearing up for a very long car trip this summer and ripping all of our harry potter books-on-cd to mp3 for use on our ipod, whose collection i currently manage from amarok (1.4.6). everything is fine except that, with ca. 20 cd's per book, 20 tracks per cd, harry potter now makes up about 20 percent of my music collection. When i put the ipod on 'shuffle', i get harry every fifth song, which is ANNYING, to say the least. i'd like to convince the ipod that these tracks are not music but audiobooks (whatever that really means). does anyone know how to do this? if it can be done from amarok that's great, otherwise i can use whatever music player is required. thanks very much, as always! matt -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price at utoronto.ca -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's also the > kind > > > of thing you can do > > > right now. > > > > Attempting to find capacitors anywhere close to > 0.33 F > > is an issue, It isn't like I could painlessly find > say > > two 0.16 F capacitors and run them in parallel :-( > . > > > > Digi-Key looks like the route I will have to > follow > > :-( . > > > > > Batteries would definitely be simpler, though I > > > understand not wanting > > > to keep replacing them. > > > > Exactly, avoid batteries if at all possible is my > view > > in all of this :-) . > > > Actually, I think there's a way to avoid batteries > and capacitors. > There's already a whole whack of rails already built > into your PC, so > use them! Pull a line of off the power supply on > either a spare drive > connector and use the 5V rail from there. It won't > be pretty, but it'll > work a ton better than a huge cap. Setting up the circuit inside the case would solve the battery/capacitor problem, but it leaves another set of problems, cables. Where I would like to put the MythTV box isn't ideal as far as optics are concerned (read, pointing an IR remote at the MythTV box and getting the MythTV to talk to the likes of VCR. So, I would need to worry about getting RS-232 serial into the circuit, and then a feed out... Going through the Digikey.ca website turns up 0.33 F capacitors for $2.34 (Cdn.) each (with quantity discounts starting at 10 units...). I will go the Digikey route, I just hoped I could find those monster capacitors locally, sigh,,, Colin McGregor > -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 06:48:43 2007 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 02:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: tell ipod a recording is an 'audiobook'? In-Reply-To: <1183692177.14209.79.camel@localhost> References: <1183692177.14209.79.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, Matt Price wrote: > gearing up for a very long car trip this summer and ripping all of our > harry potter books-on-cd to mp3 for use on our ipod, whose collection i > currently manage from amarok (1.4.6). everything is fine except that, > with ca. 20 cd's per book, 20 tracks per cd, harry potter now makes up > about 20 percent of my music collection. When i put the ipod on > 'shuffle', i get harry every fifth song, which is ANNYING, to say the > least. i'd like to convince the ipod that these tracks are not music > but audiobooks (whatever that really means). Why are you using something that you don't have control over? > does anyone know how to do this? if it can be done from amarok that's > great, otherwise i can use whatever music player is required. -- Chris F.A. Johnson ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From geektastique-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 11:51:19 2007 From: geektastique-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steph Fox) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 07:51:19 -0400 Subject: tell ipod a recording is an 'audiobook'? In-Reply-To: References: <1183692177.14209.79.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <7111fbb0707060451j891f9e8g8fbfcbbf60b63eec@mail.gmail.com> Hi Matt, > > When i put the ipod on > > 'shuffle', i get harry every fifth song, which is ANNYING, to say the > > least. i'd like to convince the ipod that these tracks are not music > > but audiobooks If your encoder engine supports m4b files (the aac audiobook format), encode into that. Your iPod *should* skip over them in shuffle mode (since it considers them 'books' and assumes you want to shuffle 'music'). > > (whatever that really means). Basically? That they're in m4b or aa (Audible's) format. m4b remembers where you left off in an audiobook track (if you switch to music or another book), Audible files do the same (except with DRM). Cheers, Steph -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 12:12:21 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:12:21 +0000 Subject: Looking for BIG capacitors. In-Reply-To: <445356.11275.qm-JoSsSUNfUciB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <445356.11275.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1183723941.5608.2.camel@ubuntu> On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 23:55 -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > Setting up the circuit inside the case would solve the > battery/capacitor problem, but it leaves another set > of problems, cables. Where I would like to put the > MythTV box isn't ideal as far as optics are concerned > (read, pointing an IR remote at the MythTV box and > getting the MythTV to talk to the likes of VCR. So, I > would need to worry about getting RS-232 serial into > the circuit, and then a feed out... > > Going through the Digikey.ca website turns up 0.33 F > capacitors for $2.34 (Cdn.) each (with quantity > discounts starting at 10 units...). I will go the > Digikey route, I just hoped I could find those monster > capacitors locally, sigh,,, With a custom cable, you could do both. Inside the case, make a cable with the power and serial lines. Run it outside the case and terminate to a custom connector. Big caps can be fun to play with as well, but as you've seen sourcing them is a PITA. Good luck! -kms -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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N. > > There is the Mississauga Transit Dundas West 1C route which connects > Islington Subway Station to the University. > > A schedule for this route is available here: > > http://www4.mississauga.ca/ClicknRide/TimetableDetailsForm.aspx?moniker=Vmlld1RpbWV0YWJsZTpUaW1ldGFibGVEZXRhaWxzOjE4YjIwNjhiLTFlMTYtNGRmMi1iYzI1LTQ2NmE0ODRjODYxYjo0MTQ2NGUxMS1kMDM1LTQ1OWItYTJkMC01OTJjZjNhODIzMjQ= > > > Further links available here: http://www.utm.utoronto.ca/1647.0.html. > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 13:36:23 2007 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 09:36:23 -0400 Subject: tell ipod a recording is an 'audiobook'? In-Reply-To: References: <1183692177.14209.79.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1183728983.14209.83.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2007-06-07 at 02:48 -0400, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, Matt Price wrote: > > > gearing up for a very long car trip this summer and ripping all of our > > harry potter books-on-cd to mp3 for use on our ipod, whose collection i > > currently manage from amarok (1.4.6). everything is fine except that, > > with ca. 20 cd's per book, 20 tracks per cd, harry potter now makes up > > about 20 percent of my music collection. When i put the ipod on > > 'shuffle', i get harry every fifth song, which is ANNYING, to say the > > least. i'd like to convince the ipod that these tracks are not music > > but audiobooks (whatever that really means). > > Why are you using something that you don't have control over? > because there are certain things that rockbox can't do, and because the ipod is a family possession, not my own. the emphasis on individual control in the free software discourse often ignores the fact that the world we inhabit is _social_, and that every social act involves the relinquishing of some aspects of governance. -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Your iPod *should* skip over them in shuffle mode > (since it considers them 'books' and assumes you want to shuffle > 'music'). > > > > (whatever that really means). > > Basically? That they're in m4b or aa (Audible's) format. m4b remembers > where you left off in an audiobook track (if you switch to music or > another book), Audible files do the same (except with DRM). > ah, ok. well, i've been using abcde to encode to mp3 and wav. on ubuntu, apt-cache search m4b returns no results. do you know of an encoder that manages m4b conversion? thanks, matt > Cheers, > > Steph > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 13:49:30 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 09:49:30 -0400 Subject: tell ipod a recording is an 'audiobook'? In-Reply-To: <1183729057.14209.86.camel@localhost> References: <1183692177.14209.79.camel@localhost> <7111fbb0707060451j891f9e8g8fbfcbbf60b63eec@mail.gmail.com> <1183729057.14209.86.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1183729770.5608.6.camel@ubuntu> On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 09:37 -0400, Matt Price wrote: > ah, ok. well, i've been using abcde to encode to mp3 and wav. on > ubuntu, > apt-cache search m4b > returns no results. do you know of an encoder that manages m4b > conversion? The tool you're looking for is faad (apt-get install faad should do the trick). I don't have any of my old scripts handy, or I'd give you a sample command line. The defaults work for the most part, but you have to get the arguments right in order to set the wrapper metadata properly - I've yet to find a tool that will edit AAC metadata properly after the fact. -kms -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 14:03:36 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RMS Talk at University of Toronto Mississauga In-Reply-To: <468E4320.7040304-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <468D10BF.6080403@utoronto.ca> <468E4320.7040304@visible-assets.com> Message-ID: <5009.74.98.136.37.1183730616.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Yeah, it was interesting. RMS spoke essentially without notes for I would guess over an hour. He's clearly a prickly character - he bridled at a couple of questions. For example, one hapless soul mentioned 'Linux' so of course Stallman brought up the GNU+Linux issue. On that I think he has a valid point, Linux would not have succeeded without the GNU utilities (such as GCC). On the other hand, strategically, perhaps less effort should have gone into Emacs and more effort into Hurd (or whatever replaced it). His ideas are really original and worth consideration, and his first concern is with the community. For example, he suggested two mechanisms for getting payment to musicians that would bypass the large record companies and result in more revenue for most musicians. He suggested that the umbrella term 'Intellectual Property' was inappropriate and explained why in an argument that made sense. One major mistake, that I've heard many American speakers make: 'This is the law in the United States, and I assume it's similar up here'. Not necessarily. However, he did ask questions about C-60. It was a large and respectful audience. I got the impression that he's on a speaker's circuit, so maybe you could encourage the FSF to ship him to wherever you are. Peter > Don't I pick the wrong months to be out of the country :P > > > > Ivan Avery Frey wrote: >> http://www.utm.utoronto.ca/361.0.html?&tx_mininews_pi1[showUid]=1895&tx_mininews_pi1[backPid]=51&cHash=110471a7f6 >> >> >> In Summary: >> >> World-renowned activist and free software developer Richard >> Stallman, founder of the free software movement, will speak on Copyright >> vs. Community in the Age of Computer Networks on Thursday, July 5, at 5 >> p.m., Matthews Auditorium (Room 137), Kaneff Centre, University of >> Toronto Mississauga, 3359 Mississauga Rd. N. >> >> There is the Mississauga Transit Dundas West 1C route which connects >> Islington Subway Station to the University. >> >> A schedule for this route is available here: >> >> http://www4.mississauga.ca/ClicknRide/TimetableDetailsForm.aspx?moniker=Vmlld1RpbWV0YWJsZTpUaW1ldGFibGVEZXRhaWxzOjE4YjIwNjhiLTFlMTYtNGRmMi1iYzI1LTQ2NmE0ODRjODYxYjo0MTQ2NGUxMS1kMDM1LTQ1OWItYTJkMC01OTJjZjNhODIzMjQ= >> >> >> Further links available here: http://www.utm.utoronto.ca/1647.0.html. >> >> Ivan. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 14:13:38 2007 From: cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Charles philip Chan) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:13:38 -0400 Subject: tell ipod a recording is an 'audiobook'? In-Reply-To: <1183728983.14209.83.camel@localhost> (Matt Price's message of "Fri\, 06 Jul 2007 09\:36\:23 -0400") References: <1183692177.14209.79.camel@localhost> <1183728983.14209.83.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <878x9ty60d.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> Matt Price writes: > because there are certain things that rockbox can't do, and because > the ipod is a family possession, not my own. I am curious what can the stock iPod firmware do that Rockbox can't with the exception of playing DRM ladened AAC tracks from the Apple store? Charles -- /* * For moronic filesystems that do not allow holes in file. * We may have to extend the file. */ linux-2.4.0-test2/fs/buffer.c -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 15:14:19 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:14:19 -0400 Subject: Music Managers In-Reply-To: <1183733161.5608.9.camel@ubuntu> References: <1183733161.5608.9.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <468E5C4B.5020402@utoronto.ca> Kareem Shehata wrote: > Just a quick question: any suggestions for a good music manager? I have > admit that I really liked the way iTunes kept everything in order on my > Windows box, but it would be nice to have something with ogg support and > less Apple-controlled. Try amarok. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 14:53:11 2007 From: cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Charles philip Chan) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:53:11 -0400 Subject: Music Managers In-Reply-To: <1183733161.5608.9.camel@ubuntu> (Kareem Shehata's message of "Fri\, 06 Jul 2007 14\:46\:00 +0000") References: <1183733161.5608.9.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <874pkhy46g.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> Kareem Shehata writes: > Just a quick question: any suggestions for a good music manager? I > have admit that I really liked the way iTunes kept everything in order > on my Windows box, but it would be nice to have something with ogg > support and less Apple-controlled. Well if you want something along the lines of iTunes, I suggest Amarok: http://amarok.kde.org/ Charles -- Avoid the Gates of Hell. Use Linux (Unknown source) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available URL: From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 15:34:11 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Looking for BIG capacitors. References: <1183678176.12445.3.camel@ubuntu> <445356.11275.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am 98% sure that you can use a much lower capacitance cap for what you will be doing, and that a NiCd backup battery will go a long way too. The easiest way would be to probably buy a 3 cell AA battery holder and 3 AA NiCd (not NiMh) cells of the cheapest kind, and trickle charge them from the serial port through a diode. A 1000uF cap and 5.1V zener in parallel with this should complete the power supply. feel free to ask more, some people have been down similar roads in the past, Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 15:52:14 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:52:14 -0400 Subject: Looking for BIG capacitors. In-Reply-To: References: <1183678176.12445.3.camel@ubuntu> <445356.11275.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <468E652E.3010809@rogers.com> Peter P. wrote: > and 3 AA NiCd (not NiMh) cells of the cheapest kind I thought NiMh replaced the very toxic NiCd cells. Can you even buy Ni-Cads these days? -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 16:28:41 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 16:28:41 +0000 Subject: RMS Talk at University of Toronto Mississauga In-Reply-To: <5009.74.98.136.37.1183730616.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <468D10BF.6080403@utoronto.ca> <468E4320.7040304@visible-assets.com> <5009.74.98.136.37.1183730616.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On 7/6/07, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Yeah, it was interesting. RMS spoke essentially without notes for I would > guess over an hour. He's clearly a prickly character - he bridled at a > couple of questions. For example, one hapless soul mentioned 'Linux' so of > course Stallman brought up the GNU+Linux issue. On that I think he has a > valid point, Linux would not have succeeded without the GNU utilities > (such as GCC). On the other hand, strategically, perhaps less effort > should have gone into Emacs and more effort into Hurd (or whatever > replaced it). Unfortunately, this characterizes what I might term as a "diplomatic rut" that RMS has fallen into. He has been prickly in pretty much all of the ways you describe for about the last ten years. Unfortunately, there are various things about the position that encourage others to play the "make RMS bristle" game. Part of the problem lies in the ambiguity that lies in "What does Linux mean? Kernel? Or distribution?" If the FSF had chosen to create or ally with some distribution (and Debian sometimes appears to be apropos), there would be no argument in them calling the result "GNU/Linux." What we hear sounds way more like sour grapes. If new things were emerging in greater quantity from the FSF, then people would more clearly see credit deserved for both new and old things. > His ideas are really original and worth consideration, and his first > concern is with the community. For example, he suggested two mechanisms > for getting payment to musicians that would bypass the large record > companies and result in more revenue for most musicians. He suggested that > the umbrella term 'Intellectual Property' was inappropriate and explained > why in an argument that made sense. Not to quash that too much, but he has been telling those same tales for a lot of years now. Yes, he has original ideas worth consideration; unfortunately, there's so much "broken record" repetition that there's some question of what's new lately:-(. > I got the impression that he's on a speaker's circuit, so maybe you could > encourage the FSF to ship him to wherever you are. I'll bet part of that relates to the recent release of GPL 3.0... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 16:49:45 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:49:45 -0400 Subject: RMS Talk at University of Toronto Mississauga In-Reply-To: References: <468D10BF.6080403@utoronto.ca> <468E4320.7040304@visible-assets.com> <5009.74.98.136.37.1183730616.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <1e55af990707060949l5785a6ceuf435009e50293859@mail.gmail.com> On 7/6/07, Christopher Browne wrote: > On 7/6/07, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > His ideas are really original and worth consideration, and his first > > concern is with the community. For example, he suggested two mechanisms > > for getting payment to musicians that would bypass the large record > > companies and result in more revenue for most musicians. He suggested that > > the umbrella term 'Intellectual Property' was inappropriate and explained > > why in an argument that made sense. > > Not to quash that too much, but he has been telling those same tales > for a lot of years now. Yes, he has original ideas worth > consideration; unfortunately, there's so much "broken record" > repetition that there's some question of what's new lately:-(. A while back I listened to a tape of this same lecture which was itself already a couple of years old.. so yeah this lecture is quite old indeed. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 17:42:26 2007 From: jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Spiro) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:42:26 -0400 Subject: RMS Talk at University of Toronto Mississauga In-Reply-To: <1e55af990707060949l5785a6ceuf435009e50293859-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <468D10BF.6080403@utoronto.ca> <468E4320.7040304@visible-assets.com> <5009.74.98.136.37.1183730616.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1e55af990707060949l5785a6ceuf435009e50293859@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2007/7/6, Sy Ali wrote: > A while back I listened to a tape of this same lecture which was > itself already a couple of years old.. so yeah this lecture is quite > old indeed. Many public speakers repeat the same lectures over and over again. And I say, why shouldn't they? :) -- Jason Spiro: Linux consultant, web developer, Windows corporate trainer. No job too big or too small, whether two hours or two months. Contact me for info; to see my resume, send email with subject line "resume". +1.416.668.1491 / Email: info-1hdvTAswZAHQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org / MSN: jasonspiro-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 18:06:48 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Looking for BIG capacitors. In-Reply-To: <468E652E.3010809-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1183678176.12445.3.camel@ubuntu> <445356.11275.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <468E652E.3010809@rogers.com> Message-ID: <5220.74.98.136.37.1183745208.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Peter P. wrote: >> and 3 AA NiCd (not NiMh) cells of the cheapest kind > I thought NiMh replaced the very toxic NiCd cells. > Can you even buy Ni-Cads these days? > Just to clarify, you can't just put a resistor in series with a voltage source and 'trickle charge' one of these batteries, that will ruin it. There are sophisticated IC's that manage the charging of these batteries. Dunno about NiMH, but for Nicads, you need to charge at constant current and then when the battery is fully charged drop the charging voltage and carefully control the trickle current. Look for 'Battery University' on the web for the gory details. I'd support the suggestion of stealing the PC power. There are usually spare connectors that could be used for this. The PC power supply could easily supply the necessary power with no affect on the rest of the box. The 4 pin connectors have +5V and +12V available at gazillions of amps. If you do that, I'd recommend putting in a current limiting circuit of some kind (fuse or electronic limit) so that a short circuit doesn't lead to 'flaming debris'. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 18:48:18 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RMS Talk at University of Toronto Mississauga In-Reply-To: References: <468D10BF.6080403@utoronto.ca> <468E4320.7040304@visible-assets.com> <5009.74.98.136.37.1183730616.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <5235.74.98.136.37.1183747698.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Part of the problem lies in the ambiguity that lies in "What does > Linux mean? Kernel? Or distribution?" Excellent point. > If the FSF had chosen to create or ally with some distribution (and > Debian sometimes appears to be apropos), there would be no argument in > them calling the result "GNU/Linux." What we hear sounds way more > like sour grapes. I think Linus Torvalds has made the same point. But the GNU programs are used in all the distributions, not limited to one specific distribution. It's fair to say that the GNU stuff made it possible for Linux to supplant Unix in very short order - regardless of the distribution. There are lots of these 'accidents of history' where an originators name gets missed in giving credit for some technical advance. Frequently the true originator is (conveniently) deceased, but RMS is still here and very willing to argue the point. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 19:46:50 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:46:50 -0400 Subject: Music Managers In-Reply-To: <874pkhy46g.fsf-HasXQTlsvt1ah8WM/F5+tg@public.gmane.org> References: <1183733161.5608.9.camel@ubuntu> <874pkhy46g.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> Message-ID: <32f6a8880707061246g2b8b4d65kc32cbd2328d2bc97@mail.gmail.com> amarok is my choice (Use the MYSQL backend makes it quick) On 7/6/07, Charles philip Chan wrote: > Kareem Shehata writes: > > > Just a quick question: any suggestions for a good music manager? I > > have admit that I really liked the way iTunes kept everything in order > > on my Windows box, but it would be nice to have something with ogg > > support and less Apple-controlled. > > Well if you want something along the lines of iTunes, I suggest Amarok: > > http://amarok.kde.org/ > > Charles > > -- > Avoid the Gates of Hell. Use Linux > (Unknown source) > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 21:06:30 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:06:30 -0400 Subject: RMS Talk at University of Toronto Mississauga In-Reply-To: <5235.74.98.136.37.1183747698.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <468D10BF.6080403@utoronto.ca> <468E4320.7040304@visible-assets.com> <5009.74.98.136.37.1183730616.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <5235.74.98.136.37.1183747698.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <1183755990.13986.107.camel@stan64.site> On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 14:48 -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Part of the problem lies in the ambiguity that lies in "What does > > Linux mean? Kernel? Or distribution?" And if you deem it a distro, and use desktop, then by lines of code it should be referred to as X11/Linux/Gnu ? or just X11 and drop the linux and gnu part as they would be so minor :) Personally I respect and am aware of the contribution of GNU and X11 in Linux, i tried for a time to call it GLX, or gnu/linux/X, then gnu/linux, but i end up taking the easy way out and just going with Linux much to RMS hate of that. I think in print RMS could push (nag) that he get credit, but verbally, i just wanna talk fast and get my point across, i use Linux and ..... [not] i use Gnu/Linux/X11/ i guess RMS would probably say if you want to short form it when you speak, then say GNU and don't even say Linux .. I wonder if anyone ever asked him that? Of course where do you draw the line too, i mean the C programming language has a pretty big impact on the GLX to. -tl > > Excellent point. > > > If the FSF had chosen to create or ally with some distribution (and > > Debian sometimes appears to be apropos), there would be no argument in > > them calling the result "GNU/Linux." What we hear sounds way more > > like sour grapes. > > I think Linus Torvalds has made the same point. > > But the GNU programs are used in all the distributions, not limited to one > specific distribution. It's fair to say that the GNU stuff made it > possible for Linux to supplant Unix in very short order - regardless of > the distribution. > > There are lots of these 'accidents of history' where an originators name > gets missed in giving credit for some technical advance. Frequently the > true originator is (conveniently) deceased, but RMS is still here and very > willing to argue the point. > > Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 6 22:09:28 2007 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 18:09:28 -0400 Subject: tell ipod a recording is an 'audiobook'? In-Reply-To: <878x9ty60d.fsf-HasXQTlsvt1ah8WM/F5+tg@public.gmane.org> References: <1183692177.14209.79.camel@localhost> <1183728983.14209.83.camel@localhost> <878x9ty60d.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> Message-ID: <1183759768.14209.88.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2007-06-07 at 10:13 -0400, Charles philip Chan wrote: > Matt Price writes: > > > because there are certain things that rockbox can't do, and because > > the ipod is a family possession, not my own. > > I am curious what can the stock iPod firmware do that Rockbox can't with > the exception of playing DRM ladened AAC tracks from the Apple store? > interface with a wide variety of ipod accessories? > Charles > -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have >> admit that I really liked the way iTunes kept everything in order on my >> Windows box, but it would be nice to have something with ogg support and >> less Apple-controlled. >> >> Cheers, >> >> -kms >> >> Kareem Shehata >> kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org >> >> > > Hi, > > Rhythmbox is a lot like iTunes. > > http://www.gnome.org/projects/rhythmbox/ > > David Payne > > -- > And it supports network attached storage devices. Amarok doesn't if you need this feature. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 02:12:29 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:12:29 -0400 Subject: RMS Talk at University of Toronto Mississauga In-Reply-To: <1183755990.13986.107.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <468D10BF.6080403@utoronto.ca> <468E4320.7040304@visible-assets.com> <5009.74.98.136.37.1183730616.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <5235.74.98.136.37.1183747698.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1183755990.13986.107.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: On 7/6/07, tleslie wrote: > On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 14:48 -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > Part of the problem lies in the ambiguity that lies in "What does > > > Linux mean? Kernel? Or distribution?" > > And if you deem it a distro, and use desktop, > then by lines of code it should be referred to as > > X11/Linux/Gnu ? or just X11 and drop the linux and gnu part as they > would be so minor :) Or should it be called X11/KDE/Perl/Linux? The "if it makes a significant code contribution" argument heads down a pretty slippery slope, and frankly, one that is quite distinct from the "GNU" argument. Part of RMS' argument is that without GCC and GNU fileutils, there would be no Linux, and nothing else would have gotten connected to it. While it's true that Linux uses GCC and a pretty full set of GNU binary and file utilities, I actually *STRONGLY* disagree with part of the premise. I would agree that if GCC and other GNU stuff had not been there, we'd probably not be using today something called "Linux." However, RMS seems to take the stance that since virtually everyone uses GCC, there wouldn't be any "free Unix" without it, and I think that particular position is nonsense. There were other C compilers at the time that could have grown into suitable tools, including the following options: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_C_Compiler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TenDRA_Compiler http://www.atari-forum.com/wiki/index.php/Sozobon_C None were quite as good as GCC has become, but there most certainly was enough demand for a "free Unix" that if the FSF guys had not grabbed the Pastel compiler and retargeted it to compile C rather than Pascal (therefore note: the FSF did not start the project!), I believe that some other C compiler (or set thereof) would have emerged instead. There was enough desire for "free Unix" for this to be a "historical inevitability." I believe that the predominance of GCC has actually had some very *negative* effects; it IS NOT a fast compiler, and it has a complex enough architecture that for a long time, development on it largely stalled, and for the last 10 years, it hasn't been the FSF that has managed GCC. That RMS "rests on the GCC laurels" as his justification for demanding credit for the outgrowth of Linux seems mighty weak to me. GCC isn't RMS' project any more. It hasn't been an FSF project for a long time, either. For a long time, the effects of GCC pretty much scorched the earth for any other compiler projects. People have taken up efforts on TenDRA again, and there are quite a number of "small C" compiler projects out there. GCC was, in the mid '90s, pretty much scorching its own earth, as there were big fights amongst the developers between complaints by Ada folk of poor quality work everywhere else, combined with people doing various pretty incompatible efforts on Pentium-specific enhancements. It wasn't until EGCS had some success at drawing together efforts outside the FSF "fold" that development could really continue usefully... > i guess RMS would probably say if you want to short form it > when you speak, then say GNU and don't even say Linux .. > I wonder if anyone ever asked him that? > > Of course where do you draw the line too, > i mean the C programming language has a pretty big > impact on the GLX to. Yeah, and C and Unix came out of Kernighan, Ritchie, Pike, and Bell Labs. If inspiration is supposed to be rewarded with getting your name in the OS, then it seems way MORE dishonest to leave them out than to leave GNU out. RMS has some valid points, but he seems to be willing to not notice some of the bits of history that are inconvenient to his positions... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 02:27:54 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:27:54 -0400 Subject: Music Managers In-Reply-To: <468EC83D.1090606-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <1183733161.5608.9.camel@ubuntu> <39020.199.246.40.54.1183734851.squirrel@smail.payneful.ca> <468EC83D.1090606@golden.net> Message-ID: <32f6a8880707061927y51a466dcoe332fb2cb9c489db@mail.gmail.com> umm it doesnt? I'm using it with my slug... mounted as nfs shares.. On 7/6/07, John Myshrall wrote: > David Payne wrote: > >> Just a quick question: any suggestions for a good music manager? I have > >> admit that I really liked the way iTunes kept everything in order on my > >> Windows box, but it would be nice to have something with ogg support and > >> less Apple-controlled. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> -kms > >> > >> Kareem Shehata > >> kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org > >> > >> > > > > Hi, > > > > Rhythmbox is a lot like iTunes. > > > > http://www.gnome.org/projects/rhythmbox/ > > > > David Payne > > > > -- > > > And it supports network attached storage devices. Amarok doesn't if you > need this feature. > > John > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 02:33:50 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:33:50 -0400 Subject: Music Managers In-Reply-To: <468EC83D.1090606-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <1183733161.5608.9.camel@ubuntu> <39020.199.246.40.54.1183734851.squirrel@smail.payneful.ca> <468EC83D.1090606@golden.net> Message-ID: <1183775630.5608.12.camel@ubuntu> So what I'm hearing is that both Amarok and Rhythmbox are pretty good, with slightly different features. I'll have to check both out. One quick question: will either of them sync to an mp3 player? Specifically an iPod, whether running rockbox or the standard apple firmware? Many thanks, -kms -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 02:35:45 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:35:45 -0400 Subject: Music Managers In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880707061927y51a466dcoe332fb2cb9c489db-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1183733161.5608.9.camel@ubuntu> <39020.199.246.40.54.1183734851.squirrel@smail.payneful.ca> <468EC83D.1090606@golden.net> <32f6a8880707061927y51a466dcoe332fb2cb9c489db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880707061935h70eecd05o70d73b8e190363f2@mail.gmail.com> ive also used it with SAMBA shares too :) On 7/6/07, Dave Germiquet wrote: > umm it doesnt? I'm using it with my slug... > mounted as nfs shares.. > > > On 7/6/07, John Myshrall wrote: > > David Payne wrote: > > >> Just a quick question: any suggestions for a good music manager? I have > > >> admit that I really liked the way iTunes kept everything in order on my > > >> Windows box, but it would be nice to have something with ogg support and > > >> less Apple-controlled. > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > > >> -kms > > >> > > >> Kareem Shehata > > >> kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org > > >> > > >> > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Rhythmbox is a lot like iTunes. > > > > > > http://www.gnome.org/projects/rhythmbox/ > > > > > > David Payne > > > > > > -- > > > > > And it supports network attached storage devices. Amarok doesn't if you > > need this feature. > > > > John > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 03:05:10 2007 From: cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Charles philip Chan) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 23:05:10 -0400 Subject: Music Managers In-Reply-To: <1183775630.5608.12.camel@ubuntu> (Kareem Shehata's message of "Fri\, 06 Jul 2007 22\:33\:50 -0400") References: <1183733161.5608.9.camel@ubuntu> <39020.199.246.40.54.1183734851.squirrel@smail.payneful.ca> <468EC83D.1090606@golden.net> <1183775630.5608.12.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <87ps34x6ah.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> Kareem Shehata writes: > One quick question: will either of them sync to an mp3 player? > Specifically an iPod, whether running rockbox or the standard apple > firmware? Yes, Amarok supports: (1) Generic UMS devices (2) iRiver IFP (3) Apple iPod (4) Creative Nomad (5) Generic MTP devices Charles -- panic("Halt failed!"); linux-2.6.6/arch/sparc/kernel/process.c -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 03:37:57 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 23:37:57 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting problem In-Reply-To: <468D9221.2040004-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46854B5C.1080108@rogers.com> <20070706003802.GA2548@waltdnes.org> <468D9221.2040004@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20070707033756.GB7331@waltdnes.org> On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 08:51:45PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote > May I ask; the webserver in question is at 192.139.81.119. I know > 192.168.0.0/16 is reserved, but where does the 99.0.0.0/8 network come > into play? I may well be guilty of missing the obvious here. :) Let's assume that you owned a Pizza joint a few years ago that only did business in Toronto. So you only accepted phone calls with caller ID in the 416 area code. Then a bunch of calls from area code 647 showed up, but you blocked them, because your list of valid Toronto area codes was out-of-date. People who got new phone numbers with an area code 647 couldn't get past your caller-ID block. Same thing here. Until recently, 99.0.0.0/8 was unused; it was flagged as "IANA reserved", and any traffic coming from that block was definitely bogus. On that basis, a lot of network admins blocked traffic from 99.0.0.0/8. It was assigned to ARIN last October, and ARIN has sub-assigned some of that space to Rogers recently. But some admins haven't updated their lists of valid/invalid IP address blocks, and continue to block 99.0.0.0/8 Rogers DHCP server hands out addresses to customers. If a Rogers customer gets assigned a 99.*.*.* address, they may be wrongly blocked by one of these out-of-date "invalid address blocklists". It's the carrier's fault for still blocking what is now a valid IP address. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 03:39:06 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 23:39:06 -0400 Subject: Music Managers In-Reply-To: <1183775630.5608.12.camel@ubuntu> References: <1183733161.5608.9.camel@ubuntu> <39020.199.246.40.54.1183734851.squirrel@smail.payneful.ca> <468EC83D.1090606@golden.net> <1183775630.5608.12.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <32f6a8880707062039q373d81b5he51b92e75ea5cbe1@mail.gmail.com> I'll confirm that if needed :) I've used Amarok with both RockBox and Ipod (I prefer rockbox as i can use ANY format Flac/OGG/and so forth :) On 7/6/07, Kareem Shehata wrote: > > So what I'm hearing is that both Amarok and Rhythmbox are pretty good, with > slightly different features. I'll have to check both out. One quick > question: will either of them sync to an mp3 player? Specifically an iPod, > whether running rockbox or the standard apple firmware? > > Many thanks, > > -kms > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 03:47:57 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 23:47:57 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting problem In-Reply-To: <20070707033756.GB7331-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <46854B5C.1080108@rogers.com> <20070706003802.GA2548@waltdnes.org> <468D9221.2040004@alteeve.com> <20070707033756.GB7331@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <468F0CED.3000207@alteeve.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 08:51:45PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote > >> May I ask; the webserver in question is at 192.139.81.119. I know >> 192.168.0.0/16 is reserved, but where does the 99.0.0.0/8 network come >> into play? I may well be guilty of missing the obvious here. :) > > Let's assume that you owned a Pizza joint a few years ago that only > did business in Toronto. So you only accepted phone calls with caller > ID in the 416 area code. Then a bunch of calls from area code 647 > showed up, but you blocked them, because your list of valid Toronto area > codes was out-of-date. People who got new phone numbers with an area > code 647 couldn't get past your caller-ID block. Same thing here. > > Until recently, 99.0.0.0/8 was unused; it was flagged as "IANA > reserved", and any traffic coming from that block was definitely bogus. > On that basis, a lot of network admins blocked traffic from 99.0.0.0/8. > It was assigned to ARIN last October, and ARIN has sub-assigned some of > that space to Rogers recently. But some admins haven't updated their > lists of valid/invalid IP address blocks, and continue to block > 99.0.0.0/8 > > Rogers DHCP server hands out addresses to customers. If a Rogers > customer gets assigned a 99.*.*.* address, they may be wrongly blocked > by one of these out-of-date "invalid address blocklists". It's the > carrier's fault for still blocking what is now a valid IP address. Aye, put two and two together today talking to my upstream provider. I've been running tcpdump most of the day today and will check the logs tomorrow. My immediate upstream provider isn't blocking it, though. Monday (when they're back in), I'll look over the logs and see if/how often I am being queried from the 99.0.0.0/8 range. Thanks kindly for the info! With luck this may be the issue. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 03:40:46 2007 From: dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org (David Tilbrook) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 23:40:46 -0400 Subject: RMS Talk at University of Toronto Mississauga In-Reply-To: References: <468D10BF.6080403@utoronto.ca> <468E4320.7040304@visible-assets.com> <5009.74.98.136.37.1183730616.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <5235.74.98.136.37.1183747698.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1183755990.13986.107.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <468F0B3E.5070102@qef.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > On 7/6/07, tleslie wrote: > > Yeah, and C and Unix came out of Kernighan, Ritchie, Pike, and Bell > Labs. If inspiration is supposed to be rewarded with getting your > name in the OS, then it seems way MORE dishonest to leave them out > than to leave GNU out. What happened to Ken? and UNIX existed long before Pike got to 1127. -- david -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 08:16:31 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 04:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: little boxes [was: DECtop] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Christopher Browne | On 6/25/07, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > They probably take more power than non-x86 little boxes. | | In this case, it *is* an x86; it's an "AMD Geode," which is a low | power IA-32 chip. | According to this site: it chews only 9 watts. I presumed that x86 baggage takes some power to drag around. Apparently the Geode carries it well. | The Docunext site sems interesting; it compares the DECtop with NSLU2 etc... It points out that the ethernet is connected by USB 1.1. Yuck!! | - Embedded PPC, where I've not seen any potentially cheap ways to buy | small quantities Kurobox? References to it seem to be getting stale. http://www.kurobox.com/revolution/what.html Apparently is is an otherwise-obsolete Buffalo Corp. box. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 12:05:55 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:05:55 -0400 Subject: tell ipod a recording is an 'audiobook'? In-Reply-To: <1183692177.14209.79.camel@localhost> References: <1183692177.14209.79.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1e55af990707070505g6bcc2c35y8f19da94df1200e4@mail.gmail.com> On 7/5/07, Matt Price wrote: > does anyone know how to do this? if it can be done from amarok that's > great, otherwise i can use whatever music player is required. Is there a way for you to make one playlist of all _other_ items, and then shuffle through that? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 12:29:45 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 08:29:45 -0400 Subject: optical out sound card for linux? Message-ID: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> I just upgraded my Sennheiser HD570 to the new HD650 their best head phones. Now plugged into my SB live sound card, the high energy song mixed with huge bass cause the headphones to make that bass sound like someone hitting a shoe box with a hammer, its bad. I read that with highest end head phones, they are "extremely high impedance headphones" and they can suck large with cheap sound amps, and I am guessing a sound blaster card is just that. So i am going to buy a bithead head phone amp that is suggested as a cheap amp (400$) for a HD650 (good ones go for about 4-5K$ and I ain't going there now), so I want to feed the head phone amp with a optical input, and thus have a optical output from the sound card. Has anyone in the group used a sound card on Linux with optical output? Does it "just work" ? Anything special I need to do or know, any recommended cards? Obviously the card needs to work well with Linux. I assume that the card would just act as a digital pass through, not distorting the sound in any way by cheap analogue electronics? I am seeing references to digital sound over USB, anyone ever do that on Linux ... I have never even heard of that before, and wondering if it is just a windows only device driver thing. Until I get this fixed, I have to avoid playing certain songs :( So ironic, get a amazing headphone, and can't play as much music with it until paired with an amp, I guess even if i researched and found this out before hand, i still would have bought the HD650, I just would have bought a amp at the same time! as an aside, any one comment on how much better a 5K$ headphone amp is over a 400$ one? I am hoping this is a case of 400$ gives you 99.1% and the 5K$ gives you 100% and is only worth it if you have money to burn, and that in general there is almost no difference. -tl -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 13:25:33 2007 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 09:25:33 -0400 Subject: optical out sound card for linux? In-Reply-To: <1183811385.13986.120.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <92ee967a0707070625s63f1775ew7e3cbf52b0bc757f@mail.gmail.com> On 7/7/07, tleslie wrote: > I just upgraded my Sennheiser HD570 to the new HD650 their best head > phones. > > Now plugged into my SB live sound card, > the high energy song mixed with huge bass cause the > headphones to make that bass sound like someone > hitting a shoe box with a hammer, its bad. > > I read that with highest end head phones, they are > "extremely high impedance headphones" > and they can suck large with cheap > sound amps, and I am guessing a sound blaster > card is just that. Can you burn a CD and test the theory on a reasonable stereo beforehand? I'm curious if it's just the soundblaster (and PC sound hardware in general) which sucks, or if the headphones really draw a lot of juice. Maybe you just need to solder a 0.33F capacitor to the card :-) I bought $50 Sennhiser HD202 headphones a while back to block background noise without any of the weirdness of noise canceling headphones. I run it off my Soundblaster, they're certainly not high end headphones, but they're very clear. The only problem I've had is that it tends to sound punchy on the bass (supposedly because they're closed-cell), and now I can hear all the clicking and crunching in bad audio recordings and bad MP3s. Is your collection all in FLAC or something? -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 13:28:29 2007 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 09:28:29 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting problem In-Reply-To: <468F0CED.3000207-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46854B5C.1080108@rogers.com> <20070706003802.GA2548@waltdnes.org> <468D9221.2040004@alteeve.com> <20070707033756.GB7331@waltdnes.org> <468F0CED.3000207@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4386c5b20707070628n307f9b69ma19852ea7ea6d703@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, For what it's worth, my current Rogers IP is 99.247.12.47. Madi, you should have just seen a hit from me on the matureit.ca site. It came up no problem. This discussion has told me a lot about IP assignments (thanks!) but I don't think that's the issue here. In fact, through this whole thread I've never seen downtime on this site. In fact, it loads surprisingly fast. Cheers, Aaron. On 7/6/07, Madison Kelly wrote: > Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 08:51:45PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote > > > >> May I ask; the webserver in question is at 192.139.81.119. I know > >> 192.168.0.0/16 is reserved, but where does the 99.0.0.0/8 network come > >> into play? I may well be guilty of missing the obvious here. :) > > > > Let's assume that you owned a Pizza joint a few years ago that only > > did business in Toronto. So you only accepted phone calls with caller > > ID in the 416 area code. Then a bunch of calls from area code 647 > > showed up, but you blocked them, because your list of valid Toronto area > > codes was out-of-date. People who got new phone numbers with an area > > code 647 couldn't get past your caller-ID block. Same thing here. > > > > Until recently, 99.0.0.0/8 was unused; it was flagged as "IANA > > reserved", and any traffic coming from that block was definitely bogus. > > On that basis, a lot of network admins blocked traffic from 99.0.0.0/8. > > It was assigned to ARIN last October, and ARIN has sub-assigned some of > > that space to Rogers recently. But some admins haven't updated their > > lists of valid/invalid IP address blocks, and continue to block > > 99.0.0.0/8 > > > > Rogers DHCP server hands out addresses to customers. If a Rogers > > customer gets assigned a 99.*.*.* address, they may be wrongly blocked > > by one of these out-of-date "invalid address blocklists". It's the > > carrier's fault for still blocking what is now a valid IP address. > > Aye, put two and two together today talking to my upstream provider. > I've been running tcpdump most of the day today and will check the logs > tomorrow. My immediate upstream provider isn't blocking it, though. > Monday (when they're back in), I'll look over the logs and see if/how > often I am being queried from the 99.0.0.0/8 range. > > Thanks kindly for the info! With luck this may be the issue. > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 13:44:27 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:44:27 -0400 Subject: optical out sound card for linux? In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0707070625s63f1775ew7e3cbf52b0bc757f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> <92ee967a0707070625s63f1775ew7e3cbf52b0bc757f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1183815867.13986.133.camel@stan64.site> On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 09:25 -0400, Mike Kallies wrote: > On 7/7/07, tleslie wrote: > > I just upgraded my Sennheiser HD570 to the new HD650 their best head > > phones. > > > > Now plugged into my SB live sound card, > > the high energy song mixed with huge bass cause the > > headphones to make that bass sound like someone > > hitting a shoe box with a hammer, its bad. > > > > I read that with highest end head phones, they are > > "extremely high impedance headphones" > > and they can suck large with cheap > > sound amps, and I am guessing a sound blaster > > card is just that. > > Can you burn a CD and test the theory on a reasonable stereo > beforehand? I'm curious if it's just the soundblaster (and PC sound > hardware in general) which sucks, or if the headphones really draw a > lot of juice. I did, i put a CD in my PS3 and optically to my pioneer 7.1 system for home audi, and it did sound a bit better, but I didnt haev the same bass disruptive soungs on CD to try, so I will do that. Irregardless, i think i have to get the amp, and thus still have to figure out this optical in/out on a card that will work with linux. > > Maybe you just need to solder a 0.33F capacitor to the card :-) > > I bought $50 Sennhiser HD202 headphones a while back to block > background noise without any of the weirdness of noise canceling > headphones. I run it off my Soundblaster, they're certainly not high > end headphones, but they're very clear. The only problem I've had is > that it tends to sound punchy on the bass (supposedly because they're > closed-cell), and now I can hear all the clicking and crunching in bad > audio recordings and bad MP3s. > > Is your collection all in FLAC or something? 320 cbr mp3 i have been thinking can it be anything else? but there is so many google hits with HD650 (or HD60) and head phone amps and so many people swearing by having to have them. And also the songs in question sound fine on my HD570's which are not as high imped. So it does seem to point to the sound card failing on generating the energy to drive them. -tl > > > -Mike > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 13:57:04 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 09:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: optical out sound card for linux? In-Reply-To: <1183815867.13986.133.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> <92ee967a0707070625s63f1775ew7e3cbf52b0bc757f@mail.gmail.com> <1183815867.13986.133.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <5748.74.98.136.37.1183816624.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> >> > >> > I read that with highest end head phones, they are >> > "extremely high impedance headphones" >> > and they can suck large with cheap >> > sound amps, and I am guessing a sound blaster >> > card is just that. > I'm curious if it's just the soundblaster (and PC sound >> hardware in general) which sucks, or if the headphones really draw a >> lot of juice. Just to clarify, higher impedance phones would draw *less* current. Ohm's law: I=E/R where R in this case is an impedance. A sound card might well have difficulty driving *low* impedance headphones. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 13:59:00 2007 From: cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Charles philip Chan) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:59:00 -0400 Subject: tell ipod a recording is an 'audiobook'? In-Reply-To: <1e55af990707070505g6bcc2c35y8f19da94df1200e4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> (Sy Ali's message of "Sat\, 7 Jul 2007 08\:05\:55 -0400") References: <1183692177.14209.79.camel@localhost> <1e55af990707070505g6bcc2c35y8f19da94df1200e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87644we2mz.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> "Sy Ali" writes: > Is there a way for you to make one playlist of all _other_ items, and > then shuffle through that? Don't know about the OF, but with Rockbox it is trivial since it uses standard m3u playlists (can be done from Amarok easily). Charles -- /* Only Sun can take such nice parts and fuck up the programming interface * like this. Good job guys... */ linux-2.6.6/drivers/net/sunhme.c -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <5748.74.98.136.37.1183816624.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> <92ee967a0707070625s63f1775ew7e3cbf52b0bc757f@mail.gmail.com> <1183815867.13986.133.camel@stan64.site> <5748.74.98.136.37.1183816624.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <92ee967a0707070709g2bafacf9y90c96eb830732b44@mail.gmail.com> On 7/7/07, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> > > >> > I read that with highest end head phones, they are > >> > "extremely high impedance headphones" > >> > and they can suck large with cheap > >> > sound amps, and I am guessing a sound blaster > >> > card is just that. > > > I'm curious if it's just the soundblaster (and PC sound > >> hardware in general) which sucks, or if the headphones really draw a > >> lot of juice. > > Just to clarify, higher impedance phones would draw *less* current. Ohm's > law: I=E/R where R in this case is an impedance. > > A sound card might well have difficulty driving *low* impedance headphones. Oh yeah :-) I stand corrected... leaning on a pillow. I don't think I got enough sleep today. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 14:17:51 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 10:17:51 -0400 Subject: optical out sound card for linux? In-Reply-To: <5748.74.98.136.37.1183816624.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> <92ee967a0707070625s63f1775ew7e3cbf52b0bc757f@mail.gmail.com> <1183815867.13986.133.camel@stan64.site> <5748.74.98.136.37.1183816624.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <1183817871.13986.135.camel@stan64.site> On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 09:57 -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> > > >> > I read that with highest end head phones, they are > >> > "extremely high impedance headphones" > >> > and they can suck large with cheap > >> > sound amps, and I am guessing a sound blaster > >> > card is just that. > > > I'm curious if it's just the soundblaster (and PC sound > >> hardware in general) which sucks, or if the headphones really draw a > >> lot of juice. > > Just to clarify, higher impedance phones would draw *less* current. Ohm's > law: I=E/R where R in this case is an impedance. Yes thats what i read, apparently these will draw much more, or ask for more Voltage, is it possible the voltage requirements are throwing the card for a loop? -tl > > A sound card might well have difficulty driving *low* impedance headphones. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 14:17:18 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 10:17:18 -0400 Subject: Web Hostig Problem Message-ID: <468FA06E.7080207@rogers.com> Aaron Vegh wrote: > For what it's worth, my current Rogers IP is 99.247.12.47. > > Madi, you should have just seen a hit from me on the matureit.ca site. > It came up no problem. This discussion has told me a lot about IP > assignments (thanks!) but I don't think that's the issue here. > > In fact, through this whole thread I've never seen downtime on this > site. In fact, it loads surprisingly fast. That's interesting and something that I will pass on to Rogers tech department since my Rogers IP is 74.103.40.129 and I can't access the site. The last time I had access was Thurs. evening and then only for about two hours. I'm beginning to wonder if they have some mis-configured equipment upstream of me that they don't know (care) about. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 14:21:30 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 10:21:30 -0400 Subject: optical out sound card for linux? In-Reply-To: <5748.74.98.136.37.1183816624.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> <92ee967a0707070625s63f1775ew7e3cbf52b0bc757f@mail.gmail.com> <1183815867.13986.133.camel@stan64.site> <5748.74.98.136.37.1183816624.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <1183818090.13986.137.camel@stan64.site> On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 09:57 -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> > > >> > I read that with highest end head phones, they are > >> > "extremely high impedance headphones" > >> > and they can suck large with cheap > >> > sound amps, and I am guessing a sound blaster > >> > card is just that. > > > I'm curious if it's just the soundblaster (and PC sound > >> hardware in general) which sucks, or if the headphones really draw a > >> lot of juice. > > Just to clarify, higher impedance phones would draw *less* current. Ohm's > law: I=E/R where R in this case is an impedance. I also read something about slew rate issues. I guess cheap stuff has horrible slew rate, but would that contribute to what I am experiencing? This HD650 also have unbalanced inputs (separate amp can power each can), maybe that impacts it to. -tl > > A sound card might well have difficulty driving *low* impedance headphones. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 14:20:17 2007 From: cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Charles philip Chan) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 10:20:17 -0400 Subject: optical out sound card for linux? In-Reply-To: <1183811385.13986.120.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> (tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org's message of "Sat\, 07 Jul 2007 08\:29\:45 -0400") References: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <871wfke1ni.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> tleslie writes: > So i am going to buy a bithead head phone amp that is suggested as a > cheap amp (400$) for a HD650 (good ones go for about 4-5K$ and I ain't > going there now), 400$? Where did you get this figure from? The Total BitHead is listed for $149.00US on Headroom. Also have you considered the PA2V2: http://www.electric-avenues.com/audio8.html It has a lot of good reviews on head-fi. > any recommended cards? > Obviously the card needs to work well with Linux. The Audiophile 2496: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile2496-main.html is really cheap these days. It works with ALSA. Charles -- I've run DOOM more in the last few days than I have the last few months. 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This card converts everything to 48khz internally. Howvever, the resampling routine used is known to be subpar. To better utilize this card under ALSA, setup up ALSA to do the resmapling with the libsamplerate plugin. Charles -- /* Binary compatibility is good American knowhow fuckin' up. */ linux-2.2.16/arch/sparc/kernel/sunos_ioctl.c -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 14:52:35 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:52:35 -0400 Subject: RMS Talk at University of Toronto Mississauga In-Reply-To: <468F0B3E.5070102-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org> References: <468D10BF.6080403@utoronto.ca> <468E4320.7040304@visible-assets.com> <5009.74.98.136.37.1183730616.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <5235.74.98.136.37.1183747698.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1183755990.13986.107.camel@stan64.site> <468F0B3E.5070102@qef.com> Message-ID: On 7/6/07, David Tilbrook wrote: > Christopher Browne wrote: > > On 7/6/07, tleslie wrote: > > > > > Yeah, and C and Unix came out of Kernighan, Ritchie, Pike, and Bell > > Labs. If inspiration is supposed to be rewarded with getting your > > name in the OS, then it seems way MORE dishonest to leave them out > > than to leave GNU out. > > What happened to Ken? and UNIX existed long before Pike got to 1127. Oops. That seems to illustrate the point, that it's not too difficult to leave deserved credit out even by accident. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-G8usDCtqe957Ar2qsurDTA at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 15:10:14 2007 From: tlug-G8usDCtqe957Ar2qsurDTA at public.gmane.org (Allen Taylor) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 11:10:14 -0400 Subject: Web Hostig Problem In-Reply-To: <468FA06E.7080207-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <468FA06E.7080207@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070707151014.GA2304@thecat.localnet> On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 10:17:18AM -0400, John McGregor wrote: > Aaron Vegh wrote: > > For what it's worth, my current Rogers IP is 99.247.12.47. > > ... > > In fact, through this whole thread I've never seen downtime on this > > site. In fact, it loads surprisingly fast. > That's interesting and something that I will pass on to Rogers tech > department since my Rogers IP is 74.103.40.129 and I can't access the > site. The last time I had access was Thurs. evening and then only for > about two hours. I'm beginning to wonder if they have some > mis-configured equipment upstream of me that they don't know (care) about. One of the many reasons I dropped Rogers 3 years ago for my home/office access was the constant downtime (from minutes to hours) and mis-configuration of their DNS servers. They also tend to cache DNS info for up to 48 hours, no matter what the root DNS says about refresh times. I'm much happier now on Teksavvy. Allen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 16:28:51 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:28:51 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting Problem In-Reply-To: <468FA06E.7080207-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <468FA06E.7080207@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200707071228.51519.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Saturday 07 July 2007 10:17, John McGregor wrote: > Aaron Vegh wrote: > > For what it's worth, my current Rogers IP is 99.247.12.47. > > > > Madi, you should have just seen a hit from me on the matureit.ca > > site. It came up no problem. This discussion has told me a lot > > about IP assignments (thanks!) but I don't think that's the issue > > here. > > > > In fact, through this whole thread I've never seen downtime on > > this site. In fact, it loads surprisingly fast. > > That's interesting and something that I will pass on to Rogers tech > department since my Rogers IP is 74.103.40.129 and I can't access > the site. The last time I had access was Thurs. evening and then > only for about two hours. I'm beginning to wonder if they have some > mis-configured equipment upstream of me that they don't know (care) > about. I do not believe this issue has anything to do with bogons. I have had the same IP address in the 74.102.XXX.XXX range for over a year on Rogers and see the occasional weird DNS problem like this. As I indicated earlier, Rogers never acknowledges these problems and eventually, the problems disappear as mysteriously as they appeared. Try the public DNS offered by OpenDNS , 208.67.220.220 and 208.67.222.222 instead of the Rogers DNS to see what happens. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 19:37:08 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 15:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: optical out sound card for linux? In-Reply-To: <1183811385.13986.120.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: | From: tleslie The HiFi field is populated with magic thinkers. It is really hard to sort the facts from the fantasy. Many of the fantasies have the side-effect (or perhaps intent) of sucking much money out of your wallet. Peter, for example, clarified the impedance issue (he should know -- he was a prof in the EE department at Ryerson). I can only use common sense. You can add to that testing. Charles mentioned an issue that I think may matter: the fact that certain Sound Blaster models (whole generations, I think) resample everything to 48K. In theory, this could be done well but maybe it is not. In the good old days, the aim of HiFi designers was flat frequency response. That may not be the goal for sound card designers since playing with equalization may make the card more attractive to more buyers. I don't really trust analogue signals coming out of a computer. Lots of electrical noise in those boxes. So digital out should be better. Of course I have no idea how much better and whether a normal human could notice. Digital signals can come out as - USB (not usually suitable for an amplifier) - TOSLINK (optical) - S/PDIF (coax with RCA connector or TOSLINK optical) - some soundcards have an external pod for analogue connections where the pod is connected via a digital bus to the soundcard. Of course, switching to digital may imply resampling anyway. I don't actually understand the protocols involved: perhaps more than two channels are implied by S/PDIF. Slew rate? I don't see how that could be an issue. The slew rate is a function of the output, not the input. If it was a problem, it would be a problem of the headphones, which does not seem likely. MP3 is a lossy representation. And it is digital. And it is highly processed. And each different encoder has its own artifacts. A certain amount of purity is lost there. Even CDs, which have less monkey-business, impose artifacts. As do music production processes. All-in-all, problems could come from many places and my first move would not be to spend lots of money on an amplifier just for headphones. Your one explicit complaint was: | the high energy song mixed with huge bass cause the | headphones to make that bass sound like someone | hitting a shoe box with a hammer, its bad. Perhaps the base is being boosted by equalization. Perhaps this music drove the MP3 encoder into bad behaviour. Consider trying to play a .wav file of the same track, BEFORE MP3 encoding, through your system (I assume that you have the original track on a CD, not just as an MP3). To battle magic thinkers, use science. Analytical/diagnostic techniques one must already have developed to be an effective computer user. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 19:41:05 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 15:41:05 -0400 Subject: optical out sound card for linux? In-Reply-To: <1183817871.13986.135.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> <92ee967a0707070625s63f1775ew7e3cbf52b0bc757f@mail.gmail.com> <1183815867.13986.133.camel@stan64.site> <5748.74.98.136.37.1183816624.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1183817871.13986.135.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <468FEC51.5060308@rogers.com> tleslie wrote: > On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 09:57 -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >>>>> I read that with highest end head phones, they are >>>>> "extremely high impedance headphones" >>>>> and they can suck large with cheap >>>>> sound amps, and I am guessing a sound blaster >>>>> card is just that. >>>>> >>> I'm curious if it's just the soundblaster (and PC sound >>> >>>> hardware in general) which sucks, or if the headphones really draw a >>>> lot of juice. >>>> >> Just to clarify, higher impedance phones would draw *less* current. Ohm's >> law: I=E/R where R in this case is an impedance. >> > > Yes thats what i read, apparently these will draw much more, or ask for > more Voltage, is it possible the voltage requirements are throwing the > card for a loop? > > Devices don't "ask" for a voltage. The voltage (Vl) across the device is determined by the current flowing through it, which is determined by the device impedance (Zl), the source voltage (E) and source impedance (Zs), such that Vl = E * Zl/(Zs + Zl). -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 21:00:54 2007 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 17:00:54 -0400 Subject: Music Managers In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880707061927y51a466dcoe332fb2cb9c489db-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1183733161.5608.9.camel@ubuntu> <39020.199.246.40.54.1183734851.squirrel@smail.payneful.ca> <468EC83D.1090606@golden.net> <32f6a8880707061927y51a466dcoe332fb2cb9c489db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <468FFF06.60102@golden.net> Dave Germiquet wrote: > umm it doesnt? I'm using it with my slug... > mounted as nfs shares.. > OK I stand corrected. I should have said I had difficulty with my NAS and Amarok not that you will though. Still Rhythm box is good. Big snip tp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 7 21:50:26 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:50:26 -0400 Subject: Web Hostig Problem In-Reply-To: <20070707151014.GA2304-70WplSiaoiAG/9ncUZ6upg@public.gmane.org> References: <468FA06E.7080207@rogers.com> <20070707151014.GA2304@thecat.localnet> Message-ID: On 7/7/07, Allen Taylor wrote: > On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 10:17:18AM -0400, John McGregor wrote: > > Aaron Vegh wrote: > > > For what it's worth, my current Rogers IP is 99.247.12.47. > > > ... > > > In fact, through this whole thread I've never seen downtime on this > > > site. In fact, it loads surprisingly fast. > > That's interesting and something that I will pass on to Rogers tech > > department since my Rogers IP is 74.103.40.129 and I can't access the > > site. The last time I had access was Thurs. evening and then only for > > about two hours. I'm beginning to wonder if they have some > > mis-configured equipment upstream of me that they don't know (care) about. > > One of the many reasons I dropped Rogers 3 years ago for my home/office > access was the constant downtime (from minutes to hours) and > mis-configuration of their DNS servers. They also tend to cache DNS info > for up to 48 hours, no matter what the root DNS says about refresh > times. > > I'm much happier now on Teksavvy. Isn't this more an argument for pointing one of your resolver entries to [someone else]? Admittedly, if they're not very competent, that's good reason to look elsewhere, but I don't think you're particularly forced to use their DNS cacheing... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 8 00:00:57 2007 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:00:57 -0400 Subject: OT: any etymologists out there? Message-ID: <4386c5b20707071700q479ad885gf8ad016e72ba0259@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I address this to those of you whose interests may also include things other than Linux and FOSS. :-) I'd actually just like to know if there are any real smarty-pants' out there! I'm mystified. I have spotted an insect in my home on several occasions (different ones, same species), and I'm having a heck of a time identifying it. My visits to Google have yielded no love. The other day I spotted one taking its leisure on the wall of my basement bathroom. Able to resist the horror long enough to get my camera, I snapped this pic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronvegh/718854436/ This is a baby. While the one pictured here has a body approximately 1.5 inches long, I've seen them as large as 3-4 inches (not including the -- many, many! -- legs). Does anyone know what this is? Or falling short of that, know of a resource that might help me identify it? The next step would be to find a means of targeting them with some kind of insidious counter-measure; they're the nastiest things I've ever seen (outside that horrid scene from King Kong). Freaky-fast, too. Thanks! Aaron. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 8 00:07:01 2007 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: any etymologists out there? In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20707071700q479ad885gf8ad016e72ba0259-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20707071700q479ad885gf8ad016e72ba0259@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Jul 2007, Aaron Vegh wrote: > I address this to those of you whose interests may also include things > other than Linux and FOSS. :-) I'd actually just like to know if there > are any real smarty-pants' out there! I am interested in etymology, but I think you meant entomology. Sorry, can't help you there. > I'm mystified. I have spotted an insect in my home on several > occasions (different ones, same species), and I'm having a heck of a > time identifying it. My visits to Google have yielded no love. > > The other day I spotted one taking its leisure on the wall of my > basement bathroom. Able to resist the horror long enough to get my > camera, I snapped this pic: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronvegh/718854436/ > > This is a baby. While the one pictured here has a body approximately > 1.5 inches long, I've seen them as large as 3-4 inches (not including > the -- many, many! -- legs). > > Does anyone know what this is? Or falling short of that, know of a > resource that might help me identify it? > > The next step would be to find a means of targeting them with some > kind of insidious counter-measure; they're the nastiest things I've > ever seen (outside that horrid scene from King Kong). Freaky-fast, > too. -- Chris F.A. Johnson ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tentra-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 8 00:24:31 2007 From: tentra-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Seneca Cunningham) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:24:31 -0400 Subject: OT: any etymologists out there? In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20707071700q479ad885gf8ad016e72ba0259-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20707071700q479ad885gf8ad016e72ba0259@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070708002431.GC9668@herodotus.local> On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 08:00:57PM -0400, Aaron Vegh wrote: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronvegh/718854436/ > > This is a baby. While the one pictured here has a body approximately > 1.5 inches long, I've seen them as large as 3-4 inches (not including > the -- many, many! -- legs). > > Does anyone know what this is? Or falling short of that, know of a > resource that might help me identify it? My guess is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_centipede http://entomology.uark.edu/museum/house_centipede.html > The next step would be to find a means of targeting them with some > kind of insidious counter-measure; they're the nastiest things I've > ever seen (outside that horrid scene from King Kong). Freaky-fast, > too. Why? Would you rather its prey get out of control? -- Seneca tentra-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 8 00:29:05 2007 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:29:05 -0400 Subject: OT: any entomologists out there? Message-ID: <4386c5b20707071729u7de6d648o2c519092a1de0561@mail.gmail.com> Aw, crap. etymology |?et??m?l?j?| noun ( pl. -gies) the study of the origin of words and the way in which their meanings have changed throughout history. ? the origin of a word and the historical development of its meaning. My bad. My way bad. Ironic though. I'm looking for the word for the thing. :-) Cheers, Aaron. On 7/7/07, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 7 Jul 2007, Aaron Vegh wrote: > > > I address this to those of you whose interests may also include things > > other than Linux and FOSS. :-) I'd actually just like to know if there > > are any real smarty-pants' out there! > > I am interested in etymology, but I think you meant entomology. > > Sorry, can't help you there. > > > I'm mystified. I have spotted an insect in my home on several > > occasions (different ones, same species), and I'm having a heck of a > > time identifying it. My visits to Google have yielded no love. > > > > The other day I spotted one taking its leisure on the wall of my > > basement bathroom. Able to resist the horror long enough to get my > > camera, I snapped this pic: > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronvegh/718854436/ > > > > This is a baby. While the one pictured here has a body approximately > > 1.5 inches long, I've seen them as large as 3-4 inches (not including > > the -- many, many! -- legs). > > > > Does anyone know what this is? Or falling short of that, know of a > > resource that might help me identify it? > > > > The next step would be to find a means of targeting them with some > > kind of insidious counter-measure; they're the nastiest things I've > > ever seen (outside that horrid scene from King Kong). Freaky-fast, > > too. > > -- > Chris F.A. Johnson > ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== > Author: > Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Aaron Vegh, Principal Innoveghtive Inc. P: (647) 477-2690 C: (905) 924-1220 www.innoveghtive.com www.website-in-a-day.com From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 8 00:30:26 2007 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:30:26 -0400 Subject: OT: any etymologists out there? In-Reply-To: <20070708002431.GC9668-vkYFIkAGxrROg/8MXCFivA@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20707071700q479ad885gf8ad016e72ba0259@mail.gmail.com> <20070708002431.GC9668@herodotus.local> Message-ID: <4386c5b20707071730t608fde64v44cc8c9156658d99@mail.gmail.com> That's it! Thanks a lot! :-) Cheers, Aaron. P.S. Would I prefer to have more of its prey? Right now, for sure. On 7/7/07, Seneca Cunningham wrote: > On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 08:00:57PM -0400, Aaron Vegh wrote: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronvegh/718854436/ > > > > This is a baby. While the one pictured here has a body approximately > > 1.5 inches long, I've seen them as large as 3-4 inches (not including > > the -- many, many! -- legs). > > > > Does anyone know what this is? Or falling short of that, know of a > > resource that might help me identify it? > > My guess is: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_centipede > http://entomology.uark.edu/museum/house_centipede.html > > > > The next step would be to find a means of targeting them with some > > kind of insidious counter-measure; they're the nastiest things I've > > ever seen (outside that horrid scene from King Kong). Freaky-fast, > > too. > > Why? Would you rather its prey get out of control? > > -- > Seneca > tentra-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Aaron Vegh, Principal Innoveghtive Inc. P: (647) 477-2690 C: (905) 924-1220 www.innoveghtive.com www.website-in-a-day.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 8 01:11:53 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 21:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: any etymologists out there? In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20707071730t608fde64v44cc8c9156658d99-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20707071700q479ad885gf8ad016e72ba0259@mail.gmail.com> <20070708002431.GC9668@herodotus.local> <4386c5b20707071730t608fde64v44cc8c9156658d99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6249.74.98.136.37.1183857113.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> For future reference, the folks at the ROM will identify unknown bugs. (The non-computer kind.) P. > That's it! Thanks a lot! :-) > > Cheers, > Aaron. > > P.S. Would I prefer to have more of its prey? Right now, for sure. > > On 7/7/07, Seneca Cunningham wrote: >> On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 08:00:57PM -0400, Aaron Vegh wrote: >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronvegh/718854436/ >> > >> > This is a baby. While the one pictured here has a body approximately >> > 1.5 inches long, I've seen them as large as 3-4 inches (not including >> > the -- many, many! -- legs). >> > >> > Does anyone know what this is? Or falling short of that, know of a >> > resource that might help me identify it? >> >> My guess is: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_centipede >> http://entomology.uark.edu/museum/house_centipede.html >> >> >> > The next step would be to find a means of targeting them with some >> > kind of insidious counter-measure; they're the nastiest things I've >> > ever seen (outside that horrid scene from King Kong). Freaky-fast, >> > too. >> >> Why? Would you rather its prey get out of control? >> >> -- >> Seneca >> tentra-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > -- > Aaron Vegh, Principal > Innoveghtive Inc. > P: (647) 477-2690 > C: (905) 924-1220 > www.innoveghtive.com > www.website-in-a-day.com > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 8 05:49:56 2007 From: edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (=?UTF-8?B?RWQg0K3QtNC00Lgg6Zmz5a2Q5p2+?=) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 02:49:56 -0300 Subject: OT: any etymologists out there? In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20707071730t608fde64v44cc8c9156658d99-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20707071700q479ad885gf8ad016e72ba0259@mail.gmail.com> <20070708002431.GC9668@herodotus.local> <4386c5b20707071730t608fde64v44cc8c9156658d99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46907B04.1010309@gmail.com> Aaron Vegh wrote: > P.S. Would I prefer to have more of its prey? Right now, for sure. > Well, when you get rid of these guys and a roach infestation develops and gets out of control, you might think otherwise. If you have kids or pets, there is no reasonable chemical solution to eradicating roaches. -- ------- "If a man walks in the woods for love of them half of each day, he is in danger of being regarded as a loafer. But if he spends his days as a speculator, shearing off those woods and making the earth bald before her time, he is deemed an industrious and enterprising citizen." -Henry David Thoreau -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 8 12:16:07 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 08:16:07 -0400 Subject: OT: any etymologists out there? In-Reply-To: <46907B04.1010309-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20707071700q479ad885gf8ad016e72ba0259@mail.gmail.com> <20070708002431.GC9668@herodotus.local> <4386c5b20707071730t608fde64v44cc8c9156658d99@mail.gmail.com> <46907B04.1010309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4690D587.3090405@rogers.com> Ed ???? ??? wrote: > Aaron Vegh wrote: > >> P.S. Would I prefer to have more of its prey? Right now, for sure. >> > > Well, when you get rid of these guys and a roach infestation develops > and gets out of control, you might think otherwise. > If you have kids or pets, there is no reasonable chemical solution to > eradicating roaches. > > There's a powder called "fossil flower" or diatomaceous earth, which causes bugs to dehydrate, by cutting through the waxy coating on their shells. This stuff is completely non-toxic and is often used to filter beer or wine. You can get it at the usual garden supply places. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-G8usDCtqe957Ar2qsurDTA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 8 13:16:21 2007 From: tlug-G8usDCtqe957Ar2qsurDTA at public.gmane.org (Allen Taylor) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 09:16:21 -0400 Subject: Web Hostig Problem In-Reply-To: References: <468FA06E.7080207@rogers.com> <20070707151014.GA2304@thecat.localnet> Message-ID: <20070708131621.GA2909@thecat.localnet> On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 05:50:26PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > On 7/7/07, Allen Taylor wrote: > > . . . > >One of the many reasons I dropped Rogers 3 years ago for my home/office > >access was the constant downtime (from minutes to hours) and > >mis-configuration of their DNS servers. They also tend to cache DNS info > >for up to 48 hours, no matter what the root DNS says about refresh > >times. > > > >I'm much happier now on Teksavvy. > > Isn't this more an argument for pointing one of your resolver entries > to [someone else]? > > Admittedly, if they're not very competent, that's good reason to look > elsewhere, but I don't think you're particularly forced to use their > DNS cacheing... I was only vaguely aware of how DNS worked - just knew I had problems. I know a lot more about DNS now then I did then! :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 8 17:33:33 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Ontario LinuxFest and other projects. Message-ID: <708399.96231.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> As I hope folks are aware the Ontario LinuxFest is coming up in October, and GTALug wants/plans to have a booth there. So, going to have some planning meeting in the near future to sort out issues on that score. Further we need to start thinking about booth planning in general, for example there are other trade shows that would make a good fit for GTALug outside the pure Linux related trade shows. So, first question we will need to ask "What upcoming shows do we as a group want to cover?". Ontario LinuxFest, IT360, what else? We are going to need to come-up with a permanent trade-show furnishing kit (and now may be the ideal time to start collecting such a kit as the hardware shops are starting to discount garden furniture). Literature and volunteer swag like the pin-back buttons can be largely recycled from past efforts, but we need a sort of standard before each show to double check "Has anything changed that needs to be reflecting in out handouts?". Further we need a "How many copies of what do we need?" review pre each trade show. One of the ideas that attracted a fair bit of positive interest before the IT360 show this year was the idea of some sort of electronic name badge. For various reasons (time, effort, money) that didn't happen, but if we are doing a few trade shows per year let's have another look at that as an idea. To kick start things along let me point to two interesting web pages: www.instructables.com/id/EDS4MLQ5NPEP286PLY/?ALLSTEPS www.instructables.com/id/E5H5UDWB5UEUKIKV8V/?ALLSTEPS The first of the above looks at a complete electronic name badge design, using a pre-programmed AVR microprocessor. The second looks at a cheap way to program some AVR microprocessors, and does look at Linux based tools for doing this... So, would 7:00 PM, July 16th at the Starbucks inside the Indigo shop at Yonge and Eglinton be as good a time/place to start discussing these issues? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 8 18:34:32 2007 From: edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (=?UTF-8?B?RWQg0K3QtNC00Lgg6Zmz5a2Q5p2+?=) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:34:32 -0300 Subject: OT: any etymologists out there? In-Reply-To: <4690D587.3090405-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20707071700q479ad885gf8ad016e72ba0259@mail.gmail.com> <20070708002431.GC9668@herodotus.local> <4386c5b20707071730t608fde64v44cc8c9156658d99@mail.gmail.com> <46907B04.1010309@gmail.com> <4690D587.3090405@rogers.com> Message-ID: <46912E38.4000005@gmail.com> James Knott wrote: >> > There's a powder called "fossil flower" or diatomaceous earth, which > causes bugs to dehydrate, by cutting through the waxy coating on their > shells. This stuff is completely non-toxic and is often used to filter > beer or wine. You can get it at the usual garden supply places. > Yes, diatomaceous earth might work on the house centipede. Post a follow-up. I'm living with my centipedes. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 8 19:57:35 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:57:35 -0400 Subject: OT: any etymologists out there? In-Reply-To: <46912E38.4000005-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20707071700q479ad885gf8ad016e72ba0259@mail.gmail.com> <20070708002431.GC9668@herodotus.local> <4386c5b20707071730t608fde64v44cc8c9156658d99@mail.gmail.com> <46907B04.1010309@gmail.com> <4690D587.3090405@rogers.com> <46912E38.4000005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <469141AF.2060605@rogers.com> Ed ???? ??? wrote: > James Knott wrote: > >>> >> There's a powder called "fossil flower" or diatomaceous earth, which >> causes bugs to dehydrate, by cutting through the waxy coating on their >> shells. This stuff is completely non-toxic and is often used to filter >> beer or wine. You can get it at the usual garden supply places. >> > > Yes, diatomaceous earth might work on the house centipede. > Post a follow-up. I'm living with my centipedes. > I don't have a bug problem (except on my Windows work computer ), so I'm not likely to have much of a follow up. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 8 20:46:28 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Electronic badges Message-ID: <692216.59513.qm@web88215.mail.re2.yahoo.com> As noted in my posting about the Ontario LinuxFest I am opening up the electronic name badge can of worms again. So, with that in mind let note the strengths and weaknesses of the last (well only) electronic name badge that I made (and keep in mind that I did this about 10 years ago, some of the choices I made then I would NOT do again...). The brain of the badge was a PIC based BASIC stamp, a device the size of a 9V battery. A revised version of which can be seen here: www.parallax.com/detail.asp?product_id=27100 So, I took a project box mounted a 16 character x 1 line LCD module in the lid. On the back of the box I attached 2 adhesive name badge pins. Inside the box I put in the BASIC stamp and a 9V to power everything. 8 wires (4 for data, 2 for control, power and ground) between the BASIC stamp and the LCD module and I was done. Throw in a short program written in BASIC and done. Fairly quick, fairly easy. not that cheap. So what was wrong with the above? A few things. The LCD module I used did offer a back light, if I could supply the module with 100 V AC at 400 Hz. There are circuits available that will take 9V and convert to something, but more time, trouble, cost and loss of battery life than I considered acceptable. So, while the LCD module was easy to read in bright to moderate light, in dim light it was unreadable... The BASIC stamp has 256 bytes of EEPROM memory, which needs to be shared between program and data storage. I could pare the program down to the point where I had some 170 characters of text messages to be scrolled through on the badge, still, painfully modest... A neat trick of the LCD modules I was using (and it is a trick that is I gather common to many LCD display modules) is that I could write data out to the module 4 bits at a time, which was crucial. Because the BASIC stamp only has 8 IO lines I had to feed the data out 4 bits at a time, which is another way to say some of the programming got a little (but not very) weird. Programming the stamp required (and requires) access to a box running Windows, which wasn't an issue for me 10 years ago, but now that I no longer have a full time Windows box, would be a bit of a problem... The biggest pain for me was weight distribution. Enough weight was far enough forward that the badge always wanted to tip downwards, so the LCD would face towards the ground. Now, this is arguably an issue of biology, the fattest male GTALug members and all female GTALug members would not face this as an issue (depending on where they pinned the badge on their clothes). But still, for me weight distribution in the badge was an issue. So, what was right about the design I did? A few things, starting with the fact that the thing worked, and was fairly easy to build. Battery life on a standard 9V battery was most of a day. Made for a great conversation piece. The inspiration for the badge came from seeing three guys at a science fiction convention that had (working together) done three PIC microprocessor based 64 LED badges (each guy wearing one of the badges). I wanted something comparable. So, my badge was scrolling words rather than a little light show, and mine was clearly a lot chunkier than the almost elegant, small badges those guys had. Still, I had what I wanted, namely something semi-comparable ... So, what would I do if I were starting this project again from scratch? The BASIC stamp was the most cost effective option at the time, but no more. Some of the AVR chips seem to be a more cost effective option (more memory, less money and Linux based development tools available). As the focus has been message, rather than light show, I would still tend towards looking at LCD display modules even though an LED based option could be cheaper. I would want to keep the cost down so that it would be easy/cheap to say build a dozen badges... I would want a thin badge (back to front), as I don't want a badge that wants to face the floor, so I would look at how to mount stuff around the badge, with the batteries either at the bottom of the badge, or run a wire to a seperate battery pack that could drop in a shirt pocket. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 8 21:02:38 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 17:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Electronic badges In-Reply-To: <692216.59513.qm-Kg4S4JJQdT6B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <692216.59513.qm@web88215.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7250.74.98.136.37.1183928558.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > As noted in my posting about the Ontario LinuxFest I > am opening up the electronic name badge can of worms > again. So, with that in mind let note the strengths (snip) To anyone considering a single-chip microprocessor project using the PIC, I would strongly recommend looking at the Atmel AVR series of microprocessors. The Microchip PIC is arguably more popular, but - based on my experience implementing code on it and the AVR - it has some serious architectural deficiencies. - limited number of instructions leads to opaque assembly language code - bank-switched registers and paged memory make for convoluted code and complex debugging environment Anyone who challenges this is invited to write a routine that simply pumps out a section of memory to a host computer. On the AVR, it's about three lines of code. On the PIC, it's an ugly, non-intuitive hack. A compliler can hide many of the architectural warts of the PIC, but there are good reasons for projects of this type to work in assembly language. The code size is smaller and C tends to hide certain types of bugs. Comparable IC's and development systems are available for both devices. Prices are similar. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 8 21:49:35 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:49:35 -0400 Subject: Ontario LinuxFest and other projects. In-Reply-To: <708399.96231.qm-p6KvMhi7PWKB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <708399.96231.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46915BEF.8040506@utoronto.ca> Colin McGregor wrote: >----------------------- snip ----------------------------------- > > So, would 7:00 PM, July 16th at the Starbucks inside > the Indigo shop at Yonge and Eglinton be as good a > time/place to start discussing these issues? This is ok by me. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 00:45:30 2007 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 20:45:30 -0400 Subject: root access required when installing linux programs on web hosting servers Message-ID: <4691852A.8020100@gmail.com> When your on a web hosting service(choose any), you do not get the root password to the system. A large majority of linux programs(choose any) require root access when installing them. (some do not require root access) What are some workarounds for this common problem? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 00:49:22 2007 From: david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (David Payne) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 20:49:22 -0400 Subject: root access required when installing linux programs on web hosting servers In-Reply-To: <4691852A.8020100-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4691852A.8020100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1183942162.5888.1.camel@zeek> On Sun, 2007-08-07 at 20:45 -0400, Teddy Mills wrote: > When your on a web hosting service(choose any), you do not get the root > password to the system. At my current web host I get a Virtual Private Server with full root access. It costs a bit more than normal ($9.95) but it is worth it. David Payne -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 00:56:28 2007 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: root access required when installing linux programs on web hosting serversy In-Reply-To: <4691852A.8020100-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4691852A.8020100@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Jul 2007, Teddy Mills wrote: > When your on a web hosting service(choose any), you do not get the root > password to the system. > A large majority of linux programs(choose any) require root access when > installing them. (some do not require root access) > > What are some workarounds for this common problem? Compile and install locally in your own area. -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 01:13:35 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:13:35 -0400 Subject: root access required when installing linux programs on web hosting servers In-Reply-To: <4691852A.8020100-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4691852A.8020100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4691537F.17380.2C0629C@sciguy.vex.net> > > When your on a web hosting service(choose any), you do not get the root > password to the system. > A large majority of linux programs(choose any) require root access when > installing them. (some do not require root access) > > What are some workarounds for this common problem? > I have worked on UNIX systems (as a client) since the 1980s when I had access as a university student, and I have never heard of any "fix" for this, and do not anticipate one in the offing. UNIXes have a rigid security policy, requiring, in problems like these, to ask the permission of the system operator if they could install your desired software and fix permissions accordingly so you can use it. If they say "no", you're out of luck. If this were possible I would love to install a web-based mail server on my website, which generates email accounts for people, but all the ones I know of require root access at *some* part of the installation. There are some software that, however, expects to install itself in a specific location so it knows where the libraries are in relation to itself. It would install itself someplace where you have no write permission, such as /bin, /usr/bin, and so on (really anything outside of your home directory and /tmp is generally off-limits). When this happened to me in installing Elvis (I think the BSD's vi that is on the system is too feature-poor), I found that it meant that I had to scour the source code and installation scripts to make sure that everything installed in my home directories. I gave up, thinking that I can live with BSD's vi, and installing Elvis was more trouble than it was worth. The best thing I can tell you, if you are prepared to do a lot of work, and if you also have a generous allocation of disk space in your account, is to download the source, examine the Makefile to change the installation path, library paths (use absolute paths and not relative ones), and paths to installed libs. I think you are probably going to have to make related changes in the source code itself. Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 01:45:17 2007 From: right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org (Amos H. Weatherill) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:45:17 -0400 Subject: Ontario LinuxFest and other projects. In-Reply-To: <708399.96231.qm-p6KvMhi7PWKB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <708399.96231.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello, Colin. This is OK with me. I'll put it on my calander. Signed. Amos H. Weatherill -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Colin McGregor Sent: July 8, 2007 1:34 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Ontario LinuxFest and other projects. As I hope folks are aware the Ontario LinuxFest is coming up in October, and GTALug wants/plans to have a booth there. So, going to have some planning meeting in the near future to sort out issues on that score. Further we need to start thinking about booth planning in general, for example there are other trade shows that would make a good fit for GTALug outside the pure Linux related trade shows. So, first question we will need to ask "What upcoming shows do we as a group want to cover?". Ontario LinuxFest, IT360, what else? We are going to need to come-up with a permanent trade-show furnishing kit (and now may be the ideal time to start collecting such a kit as the hardware shops are starting to discount garden furniture). Literature and volunteer swag like the pin-back buttons can be largely recycled from past efforts, but we need a sort of standard before each show to double check "Has anything changed that needs to be reflecting in out handouts?". Further we need a "How many copies of what do we need?" review pre each trade show. One of the ideas that attracted a fair bit of positive interest before the IT360 show this year was the idea of some sort of electronic name badge. For various reasons (time, effort, money) that didn't happen, but if we are doing a few trade shows per year let's have another look at that as an idea. To kick start things along let me point to two interesting web pages: www.instructables.com/id/EDS4MLQ5NPEP286PLY/?ALLSTEPS www.instructables.com/id/E5H5UDWB5UEUKIKV8V/?ALLSTEPS The first of the above looks at a complete electronic name badge design, using a pre-programmed AVR microprocessor. The second looks at a cheap way to program some AVR microprocessors, and does look at Linux based tools for doing this... So, would 7:00 PM, July 16th at the Starbucks inside the Indigo shop at Yonge and Eglinton be as good a time/place to start discussing these issues? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/863 - Release Date: 23/06/2007 11:08 AM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 03:08:05 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 23:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Electronic badges In-Reply-To: <7250.74.98.136.37.1183928558.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <7250.74.98.136.37.1183928558.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <971882.19533.qm@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > As noted in my posting about the Ontario LinuxFest > I > > am opening up the electronic name badge can of > worms > > again. So, with that in mind let note the > strengths > (snip) > > To anyone considering a single-chip microprocessor > project using the PIC, > I would strongly recommend looking at the Atmel AVR > series of > microprocessors. The Microchip PIC is arguably more > popular, but - based > on my experience implementing code on it and the AVR > - it has some serious > architectural deficiencies. > - limited number of instructions leads to opaque > assembly language code > - bank-switched registers and paged memory make for > convoluted code and > complex debugging environment > > Anyone who challenges this is invited to write a > routine that simply pumps > out a section of memory to a host computer. On the > AVR, it's about three > lines of code. On the PIC, it's an ugly, > non-intuitive hack. On the BASIC Stamp the oddities of the PIC chip is hidden behind a BASIC interpreter. So, I have not written any PIC code... Oddly enough the LCD name badge problem is a variation on what you describe. The LCD module has some limited smarts, so we don't have to worry about dealing with individual pixels (well, subject to conditions we can if we want to...). We want to walk through a block of memory, feeding information out to the controller in the module, toggling two control lines, and we want to do a lot of waiting (even the BASIC Stamp could update the display so fast as to make the display a blur, so waits are a must). > A compliler can hide many of the architectural warts > of the PIC, but there > are good reasons for projects of this type to work > in assembly language. > The code size is smaller and C tends to hide certain > types of bugs. > > Comparable IC's and development systems are > available for both devices. > Prices are similar. I have an old PIC programmer, not sure how many current devices it supports. But regardless I suspect that if this is all a one person show it may not get done. So this is why I got a kick out of: www.instructables.com/id/E5H5UDWB5UEUKIKV8V/?ALLSTEPS A very bare bones AVR development system for about $10 (U.S.). Even that modest sum can be slashed if one say has a parallel printer cable they are willing to cut up. In other words a development system cheap enough that building 2-3 (or more) will not be an issue :-) . Beyond that just add Linux, a PC with a parallel port, and some free development tools. Colin McGregor > Peter > > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > http://www.syscompdesign.com > USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 04:11:17 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 00:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Electronic badges In-Reply-To: <971882.19533.qm-N/0UzftCW16B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <971882.19533.qm@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7802.74.98.136.37.1183954277.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > On the BASIC Stamp the oddities of the PIC chip is > hidden behind a BASIC interpreter. So, I have not > written any PIC code... > I was once seduced into using a BASIC-8052 system (from Micromint) with the idea that the architecture would be hidden from view and I could do everything in a high-level language. (I know, I know, BASIC is an abomination, but in engineering projects you work with what you have. With some discipline, even a basic BASIC can be useable. I once wrote a multi-tasking operating system in C-64 basic for the multi-media system in the ROM bat cave. It worked beautifully, albeit with the worlds slowest context switch.) Anyway on this particular job, it transpired that one part of the BASIC code was just not fast enough and I had to descent into 8052 assembler - with the previously mentioned register bank-switching and paging horrors. Micromint were helpful beyond the call of duty, but it was still a struggle to get the project done. After that, I designed a 68HC11-based board. The HC11 is a pleasure to program, even in assembly language: it even supports vectored interrupts. So, if you can ensure that you do everything in a high level language, great. But if you can't, look out. And even some high-level language constructs (C for example) are extremely strange when it comes to controlling machine registers. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 11:30:50 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:30:50 -0400 Subject: Electronic badges In-Reply-To: <971882.19533.qm-N/0UzftCW16B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <971882.19533.qm@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6CC9B83B-6D28-4944-96E4-FC74DA532C34@visibleassets.com> The company I work for is visible assets. We make a unique RFID tag which is active and can store information on the card.It is unique in that it operates at 132KHz. I may be able to get a few hundred tags, and a reader or two for the show. I will provide how instructions on how the card/reader works if anyone is interested. Complete disclosure here... my aim would be to expose this technology to some innovative people for a new application. FWIW we already have most of what you need working. Dave On 8-Jul-07, at 11:08 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > --- phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> As noted in my posting about the Ontario LinuxFest >> I >>> am opening up the electronic name badge can of >> worms >>> again. So, with that in mind let note the >> strengths >> (snip) >> >> To anyone considering a single-chip microprocessor >> project using the PIC, >> I would strongly recommend looking at the Atmel AVR >> series of >> microprocessors. The Microchip PIC is arguably more >> popular, but - based >> on my experience implementing code on it and the AVR >> - it has some serious >> architectural deficiencies. >> - limited number of instructions leads to opaque >> assembly language code >> - bank-switched registers and paged memory make for >> convoluted code and >> complex debugging environment >> >> Anyone who challenges this is invited to write a >> routine that simply pumps >> out a section of memory to a host computer. On the >> AVR, it's about three >> lines of code. On the PIC, it's an ugly, >> non-intuitive hack. > > On the BASIC Stamp the oddities of the PIC chip is > hidden behind a BASIC interpreter. So, I have not > written any PIC code... > > Oddly enough the LCD name badge problem is a variation > on what you describe. The LCD module has some limited > smarts, so we don't have to worry about dealing with > individual pixels (well, subject to conditions we can > if we want to...). We want to walk through a block of > memory, feeding information out to the controller in > the module, toggling two control lines, and we want to > do a lot of waiting (even the BASIC Stamp could update > the display so fast as to make the display a blur, so > waits are a must). > >> A compliler can hide many of the architectural warts >> of the PIC, but there >> are good reasons for projects of this type to work >> in assembly language. >> The code size is smaller and C tends to hide certain >> types of bugs. >> >> Comparable IC's and development systems are >> available for both devices. >> Prices are similar. > > I have an old PIC programmer, not sure how many > current devices it supports. But regardless I suspect > that if this is all a one person show it may not get > done. So this is why I got a kick out of: > > www.instructables.com/id/E5H5UDWB5UEUKIKV8V/?ALLSTEPS > > > A very bare bones AVR development system for about $10 > (U.S.). Even that modest sum can be slashed if one say > has a parallel printer cable they are willing to cut > up. In other words a development system cheap enough > that building 2-3 (or more) will not be an issue :-) . > > > Beyond that just add Linux, a PC with a parallel port, > and some free development tools. > > Colin McGregor > >> Peter >> >> -- >> Peter Hiscocks >> Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto >> http://www.syscompdesign.com >> USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator >> 647-839-0325 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 12:08:18 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:08:18 -0400 Subject: [OT] "Le Book" Message-ID: <1e55af990707090508u721aa432o77c1d334ac45a2eb@mail.gmail.com> For all of you in tech support.. http://youtube.com/watch?v=aX0-nqRmtos -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 12:42:02 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Electronic badges In-Reply-To: <6CC9B83B-6D28-4944-96E4-FC74DA532C34-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <6CC9B83B-6D28-4944-96E4-FC74DA532C34@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <323115.87738.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Dave Cramer wrote: > The company I work for is visible assets. We make a > unique RFID tag > which is active and can store information on the > card.It is unique in > that it operates at 132KHz. > > I may be able to get a few hundred tags, and a > reader or two for the > show. I will provide how instructions on how the > card/reader works if > anyone is interested. > > Complete disclosure here... my aim would be to > expose this technology > to some innovative people for a new application. > FWIW we already have > most of what you need working. > > Dave Okay, I may be missing something here (or I may not be imaginative enough...), but I'm not sure where/how this technology, that while interesting helps GTALug. The name badge idea was as a cute talking point and being able to go from a paper badge on people's shirts/blouses that says something like: Hello, I'm <> of GTALug to a scrolling sign that says something like: Hello, I'm <> of GTALug, we meet the 2nd and 4th Wednesday of every month, we are the Toronto area voice of Linux fans ... Today's lucky number is: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 Hello, I'm <> of GTALug, we meet the 2nd and 4th Wednesday of every month, we are the Toronto area voice of Linux fans ... If Microsoft is the answer it must have been a very dumb question etc., etc. GTALug promo mixed with some geek humor. In other words how could we use this offer to help GTALug is my basic question, and at the moment I don't see it... Ideas folks? Colin McGregor > On 8-Jul-07, at 11:08 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > > > --- phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >>> As noted in my posting about the Ontario > LinuxFest > >> I > >>> am opening up the electronic name badge can of > >> worms > >>> again. So, with that in mind let note the > >> strengths > >> (snip) > >> > >> To anyone considering a single-chip > microprocessor > >> project using the PIC, > >> I would strongly recommend looking at the Atmel > AVR > >> series of > >> microprocessors. The Microchip PIC is arguably > more > >> popular, but - based > >> on my experience implementing code on it and the > AVR > >> - it has some serious > >> architectural deficiencies. > >> - limited number of instructions leads to opaque > >> assembly language code > >> - bank-switched registers and paged memory make > for > >> convoluted code and > >> complex debugging environment > >> > >> Anyone who challenges this is invited to write a > >> routine that simply pumps > >> out a section of memory to a host computer. On > the > >> AVR, it's about three > >> lines of code. On the PIC, it's an ugly, > >> non-intuitive hack. > > > > On the BASIC Stamp the oddities of the PIC chip is > > hidden behind a BASIC interpreter. So, I have not > > written any PIC code... > > > > Oddly enough the LCD name badge problem is a > variation > > on what you describe. The LCD module has some > limited > > smarts, so we don't have to worry about dealing > with > > individual pixels (well, subject to conditions we > can > > if we want to...). We want to walk through a block > of > > memory, feeding information out to the controller > in > > the module, toggling two control lines, and we > want to > > do a lot of waiting (even the BASIC Stamp could > update > > the display so fast as to make the display a blur, > so > > waits are a must). > > > >> A compliler can hide many of the architectural > warts > >> of the PIC, but there > >> are good reasons for projects of this type to > work > >> in assembly language. > >> The code size is smaller and C tends to hide > certain > >> types of bugs. > >> > >> Comparable IC's and development systems are > >> available for both devices. > >> Prices are similar. > > > > I have an old PIC programmer, not sure how many > > current devices it supports. But regardless I > suspect > > that if this is all a one person show it may not > get > > done. So this is why I got a kick out of: > > > > > www.instructables.com/id/E5H5UDWB5UEUKIKV8V/?ALLSTEPS > > > > > > A very bare bones AVR development system for about > $10 > > (U.S.). Even that modest sum can be slashed if one > say > > has a parallel printer cable they are willing to > cut > > up. In other words a development system cheap > enough > > that building 2-3 (or more) will not be an issue > :-) . > > > > > > Beyond that just add Linux, a PC with a parallel > port, > > and some free development tools. > > > > Colin McGregor > > > >> Peter > >> > >> -- > >> Peter Hiscocks > >> Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > >> http://www.syscompdesign.com > >> USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > >> 647-839-0325 > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 12:57:15 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:57:15 -0400 Subject: Electronic badges In-Reply-To: <323115.87738.qm-p6KvMhi7PWKB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <323115.87738.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1F248E9A-41B6-4EE6-ACAC-AEBC47ECDF22@visibleassets.com> On 9-Jul-07, at 8:42 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > --- Dave Cramer wrote: >> The company I work for is visible assets. We make a >> unique RFID tag >> which is active and can store information on the >> card.It is unique in >> that it operates at 132KHz. >> >> I may be able to get a few hundred tags, and a >> reader or two for the >> show. I will provide how instructions on how the >> card/reader works if >> anyone is interested. >> >> Complete disclosure here... my aim would be to >> expose this technology >> to some innovative people for a new application. >> FWIW we already have >> most of what you need working. >> >> Dave > > Okay, I may be missing something here (or I may not be > imaginative enough...), but I'm not sure where/how > this technology, that while interesting helps GTALug. > I'm probably to blame here for not following the thread closely enough. There is a display on some of the tags, however it is pretty limited. The tags can be used to read the name of a person on a computer when they come up to the booth. You can store approx 256 nibbles inside the tag. If this is of not what you had in mind, then please ignore. However I'd still make the offer to anyone who does have an application more suited to this. The tags can be read underwater, inside steel cans (not aluminum however). As they are at 132Khz the bandwidth of the channel is pretty slow. DAve > The name badge idea was as a cute talking point and > being able to go from a paper badge on people's > shirts/blouses that says something like: > > Hello, I'm <> of GTALug > > to a scrolling sign that says something like: > > Hello, I'm <> of GTALug, we meet the 2nd > and 4th Wednesday of every month, we are the > Toronto area voice of Linux fans ... > > Today's lucky number is: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B > D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 > > Hello, I'm <> of GTALug, we meet the 2nd > and 4th Wednesday of every month, we are the > Toronto area voice of Linux fans ... > > If Microsoft is the answer it must have been a > very dumb question > > etc., etc. GTALug promo mixed with some geek humor. > > In other words how could we use this offer to help > GTALug is my basic question, and at the moment I don't > see it... > > Ideas folks? > > Colin McGregor > >> On 8-Jul-07, at 11:08 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: >> >>> --- phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >>>>> As noted in my posting about the Ontario >> LinuxFest >>>> I >>>>> am opening up the electronic name badge can of >>>> worms >>>>> again. So, with that in mind let note the >>>> strengths >>>> (snip) >>>> >>>> To anyone considering a single-chip >> microprocessor >>>> project using the PIC, >>>> I would strongly recommend looking at the Atmel >> AVR >>>> series of >>>> microprocessors. The Microchip PIC is arguably >> more >>>> popular, but - based >>>> on my experience implementing code on it and the >> AVR >>>> - it has some serious >>>> architectural deficiencies. >>>> - limited number of instructions leads to opaque >>>> assembly language code >>>> - bank-switched registers and paged memory make >> for >>>> convoluted code and >>>> complex debugging environment >>>> >>>> Anyone who challenges this is invited to write a >>>> routine that simply pumps >>>> out a section of memory to a host computer. On >> the >>>> AVR, it's about three >>>> lines of code. On the PIC, it's an ugly, >>>> non-intuitive hack. >>> >>> On the BASIC Stamp the oddities of the PIC chip is >>> hidden behind a BASIC interpreter. So, I have not >>> written any PIC code... >>> >>> Oddly enough the LCD name badge problem is a >> variation >>> on what you describe. The LCD module has some >> limited >>> smarts, so we don't have to worry about dealing >> with >>> individual pixels (well, subject to conditions we >> can >>> if we want to...). We want to walk through a block >> of >>> memory, feeding information out to the controller >> in >>> the module, toggling two control lines, and we >> want to >>> do a lot of waiting (even the BASIC Stamp could >> update >>> the display so fast as to make the display a blur, >> so >>> waits are a must). >>> >>>> A compliler can hide many of the architectural >> warts >>>> of the PIC, but there >>>> are good reasons for projects of this type to >> work >>>> in assembly language. >>>> The code size is smaller and C tends to hide >> certain >>>> types of bugs. >>>> >>>> Comparable IC's and development systems are >>>> available for both devices. >>>> Prices are similar. >>> >>> I have an old PIC programmer, not sure how many >>> current devices it supports. But regardless I >> suspect >>> that if this is all a one person show it may not >> get >>> done. So this is why I got a kick out of: >>> >>> >> > www.instructables.com/id/E5H5UDWB5UEUKIKV8V/?ALLSTEPS >>> >>> >>> A very bare bones AVR development system for about >> $10 >>> (U.S.). Even that modest sum can be slashed if one >> say >>> has a parallel printer cable they are willing to >> cut >>> up. In other words a development system cheap >> enough >>> that building 2-3 (or more) will not be an issue >> :-) . >>> >>> >>> Beyond that just add Linux, a PC with a parallel >> port, >>> and some free development tools. >>> >>> Colin McGregor >>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Peter Hiscocks >>>> Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto >>>> http://www.syscompdesign.com >>>> USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator >>>> 647-839-0325 >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: >> http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text >> below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: >> http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: >> http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text >> below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: >> http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 14:06:02 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:06:02 -0400 Subject: Suggestions needed; mail server suggestions Message-ID: <469240CA.7010000@alteeve.com> Hi all, I've been using Sendmail for many years now, despite a few (aborted) attempts to move to other systems. Until now it has served me well. Thing is though, the number of email addresses and domains I host has been growing (and with luck, will continue to grow). My issue is that I don't like needing to have a shell account for each email address. This is insecure to a degree and makes backup and recovery more difficult. So I want to move to a SQL-based mail server. I want to let users use their email address as their POP3 username, for simplicity. So what then, good TLUG'ers, would you suggest I look at? All I am asking for is pointers, but recipes would be appreciated! Thanks all! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 14:17:58 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:17:58 -0400 Subject: Suggestions needed; mail server suggestions In-Reply-To: <469240CA.7010000-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <469240CA.7010000@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200707091017.59083.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Monday 09 July 2007 10:06, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been using Sendmail for many years now, despite a few > (aborted) attempts to move to other systems. Until now it has > served me well. > > Thing is though, the number of email addresses and domains I > host has been growing (and with luck, will continue to grow). My > issue is that I don't like needing to have a shell account for each > email address. This is insecure to a degree and makes backup and > recovery more difficult. > > So I want to move to a SQL-based mail server. I want to let > users use their email address as their POP3 username, for > simplicity. > > So what then, good TLUG'ers, would you suggest I look at? All I > am asking for is pointers, but recipes would be appreciated! > > Thanks all! We use Postfix with PostgreSQL for virtual accounts. Work well. I just adapted one of the few MySQL guides. Use proxypass if you do not want to have connection pooling so that you do not have the overhead of opening one PG connection per incoming message. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 14:26:24 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:26:24 -0400 Subject: Suggestions needed; mail server suggestions In-Reply-To: <469240CA.7010000-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <469240CA.7010000@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <7ac602420707090726m72b62301ka48e41bbfa5f98ae@mail.gmail.com> A friend of mine used the following HOWTO to run Postfix over a MySQL backend: http://web.archive.org/web/20070202021010/http://genco.gen.tc/postfix_virtual.php (The link is to archive.org because the original seems to have slipped off the net.) I've never used the walk-through myself because I ended up deciding to use qmail, but I think my friend's mail server is still managing a fair number of virtual accounts. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 14:27:58 2007 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:27:58 +0300 Subject: Suggestions needed; mail server suggestions In-Reply-To: <200707091017.59083.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <469240CA.7010000@alteeve.com> <200707091017.59083.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: Hi pals, Also have a look at vexim. You will be able to leverage your sendmail knowledge as exim has similar interface to sendmail. Lets as know which route you took Regards William On 09/07/07, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On Monday 09 July 2007 10:06, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I've been using Sendmail for many years now, despite a few > > (aborted) attempts to move to other systems. Until now it has > > served me well. > > > > Thing is though, the number of email addresses and domains I > > host has been growing (and with luck, will continue to grow). My > > issue is that I don't like needing to have a shell account for each > > email address. This is insecure to a degree and makes backup and > > recovery more difficult. > > > > So I want to move to a SQL-based mail server. I want to let > > users use their email address as their POP3 username, for > > simplicity. > > > > So what then, good TLUG'ers, would you suggest I look at? All I > > am asking for is pointers, but recipes would be appreciated! > > > > Thanks all! > > We use Postfix with PostgreSQL for virtual accounts. Work well. I just > adapted one of the few MySQL guides. Use proxypass if you do not want > to have connection pooling so that you do not have the overhead of > opening one PG connection per incoming message. > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis Corporation > 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 > Toronto, ON > Canada M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 14:54:59 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:54:59 -0400 Subject: Suggestions needed; mail server suggestions In-Reply-To: <469240CA.7010000-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <469240CA.7010000@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <46924C43.7070607@utoronto.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been using Sendmail for many years now, despite a few (aborted) > attempts to move to other systems. Until now it has served me well. > > Thing is though, the number of email addresses and domains I host has > been growing (and with luck, will continue to grow). My issue is that I > don't like needing to have a shell account for each email address. This > is insecure to a degree and makes backup and recovery more difficult. > > So I want to move to a SQL-based mail server. I want to let users use > their email address as their POP3 username, for simplicity. > > So what then, good TLUG'ers, would you suggest I look at? All I am > asking for is pointers, but recipes would be appreciated! > > Thanks all! Try Postfix and Dovecot with your choice of PostgreSQL/MySQL/SQLite. Lots of documentation out there for a setup like that (read such a setup is common and well supported), and it scales well too. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 15:12:59 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:12:59 -0400 Subject: root access required when installing linux programs on web hosting servers In-Reply-To: <4691537F.17380.2C0629C-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <4691852A.8020100@gmail.com> <4691537F.17380.2C0629C@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <4692507B.2070807@ve3syb.ca> Paul King wrote: >> A large majority of linux programs(choose any) require root access when >> installing them. (some do not require root access) >> >> What are some workarounds for this common problem? > > If this were possible I would love to install a web-based mail server on my > website, which generates email accounts for people, but all the ones I know of > require root access at *some* part of the installation. [snip] > The best thing I can tell you, if you are prepared to do a lot of work, and if > you also have a generous allocation of disk space in your account, is to > download the source, examine the Makefile to change the installation path, > library paths (use absolute paths and not relative ones), and paths to > installed libs. I think you are probably going to have to make related changes > in the source code itself. Paul, You have provided the solution to your own problem (although you mentioned you have tried it before without success). For packages built using the autoconf tools it should be a matter of running ./configure --prefix=/path/to/my/root/dir and, after building with make, using make DESTDIR=/path/to/my/root/dir install to install the package. For systems not using autoconf tools (or using a different package to do the same thing as autoconf), a look at the Makefiles would be in order as one of the first places to check for how to set the root paths and/or to find paths that may need changing. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 15:30:50 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:30:50 +0000 Subject: root access required when installing linux programs on web hosting servers In-Reply-To: <4691852A.8020100-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4691852A.8020100@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/9/07, Teddy Mills wrote: > > When your on a web hosting service(choose any), you do not get the root > password to the system. > A large majority of linux programs(choose any) require root access when > installing them. (some do not require root access) > > What are some workarounds for this common problem? *REALITY* is that a large majority of Linux programs *in no way* require root access to install them. They merely assume so for the sake of convenience, and/or assume that they will get managed by a package manager system that is run with root access. Typically, these applications use autoconf, and can be trivially re-pointed to directories that you *do* have write access to via the "--prefix" option. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 16:09:46 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Electronic badges In-Reply-To: <1F248E9A-41B6-4EE6-ACAC-AEBC47ECDF22-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <1F248E9A-41B6-4EE6-ACAC-AEBC47ECDF22@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <36578.98623.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Dave Cramer wrote: > On 9-Jul-07, at 8:42 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > > > --- Dave Cramer wrote: > >> The company I work for is visible assets. We make > a > >> unique RFID tag > >> which is active and can store information on the > >> card.It is unique in > >> that it operates at 132KHz. > >> > >> I may be able to get a few hundred tags, and a > >> reader or two for the > >> show. I will provide how instructions on how the > >> card/reader works if > >> anyone is interested. > >> > >> Complete disclosure here... my aim would be to > >> expose this technology > >> to some innovative people for a new application. > >> FWIW we already have > >> most of what you need working. > >> > >> Dave > > > > Okay, I may be missing something here (or I may > not be > > imaginative enough...), but I'm not sure where/how > > this technology, that while interesting helps > GTALug. > > > I'm probably to blame here for not following the > thread closely enough. > > There is a display on some of the tags, however it > is pretty limited. > > The tags can be used to read the name of a person on > a computer when > they come up to the booth. You can store approx 256 > nibbles inside > the tag. I'm still not seeing a fit with GTALug. But I do see a potential fit for events like the Ontario LinuxFest as a whole. Large trade shows (and even some not so large shows) issue the attendees a paper name badge with a bar code on them. Ask for more information at a vendor booth and they will pull out a battery powered hand held bar code reader and scan the bar code. Then end of the show, those scans are matched up with the registration database. I could see your firm's tags in the above sort of role. The concerns I would see are: - Getting enough tags so that every attendee has one. - Getting enough readers so that every "vendor" has one. - Co-ordinating tag numbers with registration data (i.e.: tag 1234 = <>) If you can see solutions to the above, I would strongly suggest you get in touch with the Ontario LinuxFest people and see what can be worked out. Further I could, depending on how Linux friendly your firm's products are I could see doing a magazine article that mentions the above. Again, depending on how Linux friendly your firm's products are I could see these badges as the basis for a good GTALug presentation. Hopefully someone else on the list can come up with additional ideas. > If this is of not what you had in mind, then please > ignore. However > I'd still make the offer to anyone who does have an > application more > suited to this. Basically I see the badges as an extra advertising media, a role your firm's badges were not really designed to fill. Still as noted there is some room for doing interesting things with those badges... > The tags can be read underwater, inside steel cans > (not aluminum > however). As they are at 132Khz the bandwidth of the > channel is > pretty slow. > > DAve > > The name badge idea was as a cute talking point > and > > being able to go from a paper badge on people's > > shirts/blouses that says something like: > > > > Hello, I'm <> of GTALug > > > > to a scrolling sign that says something like: > > > > Hello, I'm <> of GTALug, we meet the 2nd > > and 4th Wednesday of every month, we are the > > Toronto area voice of Linux fans ... > > > > Today's lucky number is: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 > 5B > > D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 > > > > Hello, I'm <> of GTALug, we meet the 2nd > > and 4th Wednesday of every month, we are the > > Toronto area voice of Linux fans ... > > > > If Microsoft is the answer it must have been a > > very dumb question > > > > etc., etc. GTALug promo mixed with some geek > humor. > > > > In other words how could we use this offer to help > > GTALug is my basic question, and at the moment I > don't > > see it... > > > > Ideas folks? > > > > Colin McGregor > > > >> On 8-Jul-07, at 11:08 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > >> > >>> --- phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >>>>> As noted in my posting about the Ontario > >> LinuxFest > >>>> I > >>>>> am opening up the electronic name badge can of > >>>> worms > >>>>> again. So, with that in mind let note the > >>>> strengths > >>>> (snip) > >>>> > >>>> To anyone considering a single-chip > >> microprocessor > >>>> project using the PIC, > >>>> I would strongly recommend looking at the Atmel > >> AVR > >>>> series of > >>>> microprocessors. The Microchip PIC is arguably > >> more > >>>> popular, but - based > >>>> on my experience implementing code on it and > the > >> AVR > >>>> - it has some serious > >>>> architectural deficiencies. > >>>> - limited number of instructions leads to > opaque > >>>> assembly language code > >>>> - bank-switched registers and paged memory make > >> for > >>>> convoluted code and > >>>> complex debugging environment > >>>> > >>>> Anyone who challenges this is invited to write > a > >>>> routine that simply pumps > >>>> out a section of memory to a host computer. On > >> the > >>>> AVR, it's about three > >>>> lines of code. On the PIC, it's an ugly, > >>>> non-intuitive hack. > >>> > >>> On the BASIC Stamp the oddities of the PIC chip > is > >>> hidden behind a BASIC interpreter. So, I have > not > >>> written any PIC code... > >>> > >>> Oddly enough the LCD name badge problem is a > >> variation > >>> on what you describe. The LCD module has some > >> limited > >>> smarts, so we don't have to worry about dealing > >> with > >>> individual pixels (well, subject to conditions > we > >> can > >>> if we want to...). We want to walk through a > block > >> of > >>> memory, feeding information out to the > controller > >> in > >>> the module, toggling two control lines, and we > >> want to > >>> do a lot of waiting (even the BASIC Stamp could > >> update > >>> the display so fast as to make the display a > blur, > >> so > >>> waits are a must). > >>> > >>>> A compliler can hide many of the architectural > >> warts > >>>> of the PIC, but there > >>>> are good reasons for projects of this type to > >> work > >>>> in assembly language. > >>>> The code size is smaller and C tends to hide > >> certain > >>>> types of bugs. > >>>> > >>>> Comparable IC's and development systems are > >>>> available for both devices. > >>>> Prices are similar. > >>> > >>> I have an old PIC programmer, not sure how many > >>> current devices it supports. But regardless I > >> suspect > >>> that if this is all a one person show it may not > >> get > >>> done. So this is why I got a kick out of: > >>> > >>> > >> > > > www.instructables.com/id/E5H5UDWB5UEUKIKV8V/?ALLSTEPS > >>> > >>> > >>> A very bare bones AVR development system for > about > >> $10 > >>> (U.S.). Even that modest sum can be slashed if > one > >> say > >>> has a parallel printer cable they are willing to > >> cut > >>> up. In other words a development system cheap > === message truncated === -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 16:40:21 2007 From: stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org (Stephen W. Clarke) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Suggestions needed; mail server suggestions In-Reply-To: <469240CA.7010000-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <469240CA.7010000@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <5573.192.168.20.1.1183999221.squirrel@nray.ca> Madi, We've used qmail and vpopmail for the last 3 years. Despite its age, my research shows that it is still the most secure MTA available (when properly patched). I've used the instructions at www.qmailrocks.org several times and the resulting installation is quick, stable and allows virtual domain support. It's definitely worth a good look. Stephen On Mon, July 9, 2007 10:06, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > > I've been using Sendmail for many years now, despite a few (aborted) > attempts to move to other systems. Until now it has served me well. > > Thing is though, the number of email addresses and domains I host has > been growing (and with luck, will continue to grow). My issue is that I > don't like needing to have a shell account for each email address. This is > insecure to a degree and makes backup and recovery more difficult. > > So I want to move to a SQL-based mail server. I want to let users use > their email address as their POP3 username, for simplicity. > > So what then, good TLUG'ers, would you suggest I look at? All I am > asking for is pointers, but recipes would be appreciated! > > Thanks all! > > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- Stephen W. Clarke Marketing and Communications Officer Nray Services Inc. 56A Head Street Dundas, ON L9H 3H7 CANADA (905) 627-1302 x14 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 16:51:40 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:51:40 -0400 Subject: Suggestions needed; mail server suggestions In-Reply-To: <469240CA.7010000-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <469240CA.7010000@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1183999900.13986.192.camel@stan64.site> Disk I/O's per second on mail servers can be huge if you have a lot of accounts. One smart thing to do is to have the pop3 grab/staging area and the sendmail incoming staging area (are you doing spam/virus detect), as a RAM disk. I set up a sendmail once with a 300MB ram staging area for pop3'ing and it had a huge impact. also you might want to put a anti-spam device in front of your smtp/pop3 system , as spam can account 20-80% of email size, but given spam is usually small, it can account for >50%-95% of your disk I/O's I know in a ISP i run, I can see 100's of emails per second arrive, and I know my disk system (would like to be) doing many 100's of I/O second, as I didn't have a netapp or 14 drive 15Krpm raid disk system, this was an issue. One fast drive that had 4ms average seek ... thats only 250 head moves per second, and a big email system , unless you do some magic, like RAM drives, etc, is going to fall apart quick. I guess the bottom line is, know matter what email system you use, if you have hundreds of emails per second, and eventually all have to make it to disk, there is huge disk I/O's, relatively small disk throughput, but huge I/O's In my case a barracuda in front of the smtp/pop3 saved the day, just on shear spam kill alone. -tl On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 10:06 -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been using Sendmail for many years now, despite a few (aborted) > attempts to move to other systems. Until now it has served me well. > > Thing is though, the number of email addresses and domains I host has > been growing (and with luck, will continue to grow). My issue is that I > don't like needing to have a shell account for each email address. This > is insecure to a degree and makes backup and recovery more difficult. > > So I want to move to a SQL-based mail server. I want to let users use > their email address as their POP3 username, for simplicity. > > So what then, good TLUG'ers, would you suggest I look at? All I am > asking for is pointers, but recipes would be appreciated! > > Thanks all! > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 17:39:39 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:39:39 -0400 Subject: Suggestions needed; mail server suggestions In-Reply-To: <469240CA.7010000-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <469240CA.7010000@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1184002779.25342.53.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 10:06 -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > I've been using Sendmail for many years now, despite a few (aborted) > attempts to move to other systems. Until now it has served me well. > > Thing is though, the number of email addresses and domains I host has > been growing (and with luck, will continue to grow). My issue is that I > don't like needing to have a shell account for each email address. This > is insecure to a degree and makes backup and recovery more difficult. > > So I want to move to a SQL-based mail server. I want to let users use > their email address as their POP3 username, for simplicity. > > So what then, good TLUG'ers, would you suggest I look at? All I am > asking for is pointers, but recipes would be appreciated! There are three elements that I recommend. I recommend staying with Sendmail, but if you prefer to move there are other alternatives that will work with the rest of my recommendation. We've been using sendmail since 1995 to handle virtual domains, it works and we find it easy to manage on a single server using text config files that are pretty straightforward. On some of our customers machines we combine sendmail with OpenLDAP to do the same thing, but for multiple machine scenarios. The second element is Cyrus-IMAP. This is a really efficient, very capable MDA that supports lots of goodies. You can offer a full featured webmail by combining it with something like squirrelmail (or something newer). It supports sieve email filtering so you users can have easy vacation handling on the server. You can support quotas per mailbox (this should be big for an ISP.) The biggest thing that you might like is that it doesn't require a system account to access a mailbox. Oh, and it does POP3 too. Finally if you really need MySQL you may have to bail on sendmail. I'm not totally authoritative on sendmail, but I've not known it to handle MySQL routing. It does support LDAP routing quite well. One thing that this really works well for is multi-server solutions. If you run your own spam filters or you need to spread accounts across multiple servers, this solution supports it quite well. Using a shared routing database means that all systems (including spam filters) know valid email addresses and know where each mailbox resides. Spam filters can then quite easily discard mail for unknown users. You may even consider ISPMAN. It's a web-based ISP management system. You centrally administer email and web domain handling including DNS, aliases, etc. Then configuration daemons on your servers look for requests and implement changes. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux Conference for users by users. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 17:50:31 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:50:31 -0400 Subject: Electronic badges In-Reply-To: <36578.98623.qm-p6KvMhi7PWKB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <36578.98623.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 9-Jul-07, at 12:09 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > --- Dave Cramer wrote: >> On 9-Jul-07, at 8:42 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: >> >>> --- Dave Cramer wrote: >>>> The company I work for is visible assets. We make >> a >>>> unique RFID tag >>>> which is active and can store information on the >>>> card.It is unique in >>>> that it operates at 132KHz. >>>> >>>> I may be able to get a few hundred tags, and a >>>> reader or two for the >>>> show. I will provide how instructions on how the >>>> card/reader works if >>>> anyone is interested. >>>> >>>> Complete disclosure here... my aim would be to >>>> expose this technology >>>> to some innovative people for a new application. >>>> FWIW we already have >>>> most of what you need working. >>>> >>>> Dave >>> >>> Okay, I may be missing something here (or I may >> not be >>> imaginative enough...), but I'm not sure where/how >>> this technology, that while interesting helps >> GTALug. >>> >> I'm probably to blame here for not following the >> thread closely enough. >> >> There is a display on some of the tags, however it >> is pretty limited. >> >> The tags can be used to read the name of a person on >> a computer when >> they come up to the booth. You can store approx 256 >> nibbles inside >> the tag. > > I'm still not seeing a fit with GTALug. But I do see a > potential fit for events like the Ontario LinuxFest as > a whole. > > Large trade shows (and even some not so large shows) > issue the attendees a paper name badge with a bar code > on them. Ask for more information at a vendor booth > and they will pull out a battery powered hand held bar > code reader and scan the bar code. Then end of the > show, those scans are matched up with the registration > database. > > I could see your firm's tags in the above sort of > role. The concerns I would see are: > > - Getting enough tags so that every attendee has one. > - Getting enough readers so that every "vendor" has > one. > - Co-ordinating tag numbers with registration data > (i.e.: tag 1234 = <>) > > If you can see solutions to the above, I would > strongly suggest you get in touch with the Ontario > LinuxFest people and see what can be worked out. Well all of the above is technically feasible. We do have challenges limiting the range of each reader so this would be a problem > > Further I could, depending on how Linux friendly your > firm's products are I could see doing a magazine > article that mentions the above. Almost everything we use is linux. The tag itself does not run linux, as it's processor is ridiculously small ( It's actually an epson watch chip) > > Again, depending on how Linux friendly your firm's > products are I could see these badges as the basis for > a good GTALug presentation. > I'd certainly be willing to open source portions of what we have. > Hopefully someone else on the list can come up with > additional ideas. > >> If this is of not what you had in mind, then please >> ignore. However >> I'd still make the offer to anyone who does have an >> application more >> suited to this. > > Basically I see the badges as an extra advertising > media, a role your firm's badges were not really > designed to fill. Still as noted there is some room > for doing interesting things with those badges... > >> The tags can be read underwater, inside steel cans >> (not aluminum >> however). As they are at 132Khz the bandwidth of the >> channel is >> pretty slow. >> >> DAve >>> The name badge idea was as a cute talking point >> and >>> being able to go from a paper badge on people's >>> shirts/blouses that says something like: >>> >>> Hello, I'm <> of GTALug >>> >>> to a scrolling sign that says something like: >>> >>> Hello, I'm <> of GTALug, we meet the 2nd >>> and 4th Wednesday of every month, we are the >>> Toronto area voice of Linux fans ... >>> >>> Today's lucky number is: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 >> 5B >>> D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 >>> >>> Hello, I'm <> of GTALug, we meet the 2nd >>> and 4th Wednesday of every month, we are the >>> Toronto area voice of Linux fans ... >>> >>> If Microsoft is the answer it must have been a >>> very dumb question >>> >>> etc., etc. GTALug promo mixed with some geek >> humor. >>> >>> In other words how could we use this offer to help >>> GTALug is my basic question, and at the moment I >> don't >>> see it... >>> >>> Ideas folks? >>> >>> Colin McGregor >>> >>>> On 8-Jul-07, at 11:08 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: >>>> >>>>> --- phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >>>>>>> As noted in my posting about the Ontario >>>> LinuxFest >>>>>> I >>>>>>> am opening up the electronic name badge can of >>>>>> worms >>>>>>> again. So, with that in mind let note the >>>>>> strengths >>>>>> (snip) >>>>>> >>>>>> To anyone considering a single-chip >>>> microprocessor >>>>>> project using the PIC, >>>>>> I would strongly recommend looking at the Atmel >>>> AVR >>>>>> series of >>>>>> microprocessors. The Microchip PIC is arguably >>>> more >>>>>> popular, but - based >>>>>> on my experience implementing code on it and >> the >>>> AVR >>>>>> - it has some serious >>>>>> architectural deficiencies. >>>>>> - limited number of instructions leads to >> opaque >>>>>> assembly language code >>>>>> - bank-switched registers and paged memory make >>>> for >>>>>> convoluted code and >>>>>> complex debugging environment >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone who challenges this is invited to write >> a >>>>>> routine that simply pumps >>>>>> out a section of memory to a host computer. On >>>> the >>>>>> AVR, it's about three >>>>>> lines of code. On the PIC, it's an ugly, >>>>>> non-intuitive hack. >>>>> >>>>> On the BASIC Stamp the oddities of the PIC chip >> is >>>>> hidden behind a BASIC interpreter. So, I have >> not >>>>> written any PIC code... >>>>> >>>>> Oddly enough the LCD name badge problem is a >>>> variation >>>>> on what you describe. The LCD module has some >>>> limited >>>>> smarts, so we don't have to worry about dealing >>>> with >>>>> individual pixels (well, subject to conditions >> we >>>> can >>>>> if we want to...). We want to walk through a >> block >>>> of >>>>> memory, feeding information out to the >> controller >>>> in >>>>> the module, toggling two control lines, and we >>>> want to >>>>> do a lot of waiting (even the BASIC Stamp could >>>> update >>>>> the display so fast as to make the display a >> blur, >>>> so >>>>> waits are a must). >>>>> >>>>>> A compliler can hide many of the architectural >>>> warts >>>>>> of the PIC, but there >>>>>> are good reasons for projects of this type to >>>> work >>>>>> in assembly language. >>>>>> The code size is smaller and C tends to hide >>>> certain >>>>>> types of bugs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Comparable IC's and development systems are >>>>>> available for both devices. >>>>>> Prices are similar. >>>>> >>>>> I have an old PIC programmer, not sure how many >>>>> current devices it supports. But regardless I >>>> suspect >>>>> that if this is all a one person show it may not >>>> get >>>>> done. So this is why I got a kick out of: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > www.instructables.com/id/E5H5UDWB5UEUKIKV8V/?ALLSTEPS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A very bare bones AVR development system for >> about >>>> $10 >>>>> (U.S.). Even that modest sum can be slashed if >> one >>>> say >>>>> has a parallel printer cable they are willing to >>>> cut >>>>> up. In other words a development system cheap >> > === message truncated === > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 21:12:41 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:12:41 -0400 Subject: optical out sound card for linux? In-Reply-To: <1183811385.13986.120.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <20070709211241.GB31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 08:29:45AM -0400, tleslie wrote: > I just upgraded my Sennheiser HD570 to the new HD650 their best head > phones. > > Now plugged into my SB live sound card, > the high energy song mixed with huge bass cause the > headphones to make that bass sound like someone > hitting a shoe box with a hammer, its bad. > > I read that with highest end head phones, they are > "extremely high impedance headphones" > and they can suck large with cheap > sound amps, and I am guessing a sound blaster > card is just that. > > So i am going to buy a bithead head phone amp > that is suggested as a cheap amp (400$) for a HD650 > (good ones go for about 4-5K$ and I ain't going there > now), > so I want to feed the head phone amp with a optical > input, and thus have a optical output > from the sound card. > > Has anyone in the group used a sound card on Linux > with optical output? > Does it "just work" ? > Anything special I need to do or know, > any recommended cards? > Obviously the card needs to work well with Linux. > > I assume that the card would just act as a digital pass through, > not distorting the sound in any way by cheap analogue electronics? > I am seeing references to digital sound over USB, > anyone ever do that on Linux ... I have never even heard of that before, > and wondering if it is just a windows only device driver thing. > > Until I get this fixed, I have to avoid playing certain songs :( > So ironic, get a amazing headphone, and can't play as much music with > it until paired with an amp, I guess even if i researched and found this > out before hand, i still would have bought the HD650, I just would have > bought a amp at the same time! > > as an aside, any one comment on how much better a 5K$ headphone amp is > over a 400$ one? I am hoping this is a case of 400$ gives you 99.1% > and the 5K$ gives you 100% and is only worth it if you have money to > burn, and that in general there is almost no difference. Well digital has a few issues too. You essentially have to convert everything to a specific bit rate, and since conversion always causes a loss of quality, that isn't too nice to do either. After all if you play an mp3 that is 44.1KHz, and send it across a 48 or 96khz digital link, something has to convert the 44.1KHz signal into a 48 or 96KHz signal. Some conversion algorithms are good, some aren't. A number of cards have digital support. Alsa supports iec958 (spdif) on a lot of sounds chips. If you tell your software to use that port, then the analog part of the sound card isn't really involved at all, but your software has to send valid data for spdif. You might want to instead just run the output of the sb speaker/line out to an external amp, and set the amp on the sb live to 0dB (whatever setting that is in the mixers range). Of course make sure you didn't accidentally enable the bass/treble/othercrap equalizer on the sb live. In general I find my sb live to have very good sound quality, although I am only using $100 head phones with mine (using the front 1/4" head phone jack on an sb live platinum which is specifically designed for headphones). It is quite likely though that the sound quality on the sb live is good, but the amp starts to distort at high volume levels (which I guess you might need with high impedence head phones) in which case just using an external amp from the analog output would solve the problem. It is also possible a low end sb live doesn't sound as good as the high end ones does (even the connectors on the low end one were plastic, while the high end used gold plated metal connectors with much more solid contact). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 21:15:09 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:15:09 -0400 Subject: optical out sound card for linux? In-Reply-To: <1183815867.13986.133.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> <92ee967a0707070625s63f1775ew7e3cbf52b0bc757f@mail.gmail.com> <1183815867.13986.133.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <20070709211509.GC31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 09:44:27AM -0400, tleslie wrote: > 320 cbr mp3 I would have thought vbr tended to give better quality. My stuff is all flac though. > i have been thinking can it be anything else? but there is so many > google hits > with HD650 (or HD60) and head phone amps and so many people swearing by > having to have them. > > And also the songs in question sound fine on my HD570's which are not as > high imped. So it does seem to point to the sound card failing on > generating the energy to drive them. Quite likely. The sb live was meant to drive powered speakers, and cheap headphones, not high power headphones. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 21:23:24 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:23:24 -0400 Subject: optical out sound card for linux? In-Reply-To: <5748.74.98.136.37.1183816624.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> <92ee967a0707070625s63f1775ew7e3cbf52b0bc757f@mail.gmail.com> <1183815867.13986.133.camel@stan64.site> <5748.74.98.136.37.1183816624.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20070709212324.GD31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 09:57:04AM -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> > > >> > I read that with highest end head phones, they are > >> > "extremely high impedance headphones" > >> > and they can suck large with cheap > >> > sound amps, and I am guessing a sound blaster > >> > card is just that. > > > I'm curious if it's just the soundblaster (and PC sound > >> hardware in general) which sucks, or if the headphones really draw a > >> lot of juice. > > Just to clarify, higher impedance phones would draw *less* current. Ohm's > law: I=E/R where R in this case is an impedance. > > A sound card might well have difficulty driving *low* impedance headphones. High impedance means it requires a higher voltage to get the same amount of sound generated. If you can't generate that amount of voltage, then you won't get the desired sound or you may get distorsion because the amplifier can't keep up with the power demand. So yes they draw less current _at a given voltage_, but that simply means they desire a higher voltage in the first place. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 22:31:26 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:31:26 -0400 Subject: little boxes [was: DECtop] In-Reply-To: <1183497265.12291.268.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <1182795519.12194.430.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <20070625192955.GA31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1183497265.12291.268.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <20070709223126.GE31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 05:14:25PM -0400, John Van Ostrand wrote: > 12.95 watts according to the standard. I can see it being tough, but > possible to fit a lower power processor (2watts) and 2.5" hard disk (2.5 > watts) plus some extras. Well I think we typically run around 15 to 18W on a fully equiped router (that is 4 ethernet ports and 8 T1/E1 ports). I suppose it could somehow be made to run from PoE, but generally people are more interested in PoE for wireless AP and switches, with the router being the source of the PoE power instead. > Well, it is just a piece of folded metal. I meant you wanted the whole machine cheap. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 9 22:35:28 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:35:28 -0400 Subject: little boxes [was: DECtop] In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0707031355i14eab98aj91257702a1f6f5de-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1182795519.12194.430.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <768631270706270311t40dbbd68u449a0f89292bd9e4@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef0707031355i14eab98aj91257702a1f6f5de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070709223528.GF31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 01:55:16PM -0700, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I've had good luck with VIA mini-ITX boards/CPU's. At current I have a > web-server running on an 800Mhz Ezra, and a 1Ghz Via C3 on an Epia M-II. > Nowadays those series have decent driver support for most hardware and even > graphics acceleration (DRI works with 3d, not the greatest as it's a Via > Unichrome chipset, but not terrible either). > If you shopped around you can find an M-II+RAM+Case for under $300, but > hard-disks are still a bit extra. Just watch out for the Epia-M's, there was > a period there where they tended to have bad caps (as demonstrated by my > other VIA machine that went poof). > > I like the VIA's as servers since mine are non-profit and thus I don't > really care to run up my power bill. You can also go fanless with some of > them if you step down the power. > > Recently, I just got a JetWay machine board with an integrated Via C7 and > dual 1GB NIC's. Unfortunately it behaved rather flaky with both RAM and > board. After running for awhile, the RAM would start showing up as only > 256MB (rather than 1GB), and with different RAM there were various lockup > issues as well as NIC issues (the NIC link would sometimes go up and down, > even after power-off until the machine was physically disconnected). It > could be I just had bad luck though, so I'll have to see what happens with > the new unit which is currently in the mail... I personally think the Geode LX seems to be a much nicer CPU than the VIAs. For example you can find lots of small boards like this one: http://www.epiacenter.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1074 -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mikemacleod-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 00:32:55 2007 From: mikemacleod-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael MacLeod) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:32:55 -0400 Subject: [OT] "Le Book" In-Reply-To: <1e55af990707090508u721aa432o77c1d334ac45a2eb-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990707090508u721aa432o77c1d334ac45a2eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Here's another copy with only English subtitles: http://youtube.com/watch?v=aUczKPXWLAM On 7/9/07, Sy Ali wrote: > > For all of you in tech support.. > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=aX0-nqRmtos > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 01:49:29 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 21:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: optical out sound card for linux? In-Reply-To: <20070709212324.GD31194-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> <92ee967a0707070625s63f1775ew7e3cbf52b0bc757f@mail.gmail.com> <1183815867.13986.133.camel@stan64.site> <5748.74.98.136.37.1183816624.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20070709212324.GD31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <8824.74.98.136.37.1184032169.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > High impedance means it requires a higher voltage to get the same amount > of sound generated. Correct. > If you can't generate that amount of voltage, then > you won't get the desired sound or you may get distorsion because the > amplifier can't keep up with the power demand. Well, not exactly. The operator turns up the volume -> the output voltage increases -> this leads to 'clipping' before the desired effect (louder sound) is achieved. The power supply rails of the output amplifier set the maximum output voltage, and when the output tries to exceed those, the output voltage limits. On a scope (such as our beautiful Syscomp DSO-101 which we manufacture, shameless plug ;) you would see flat tops at the extremes of a sine wave. These flat tops represent gross distortion. > So yes they draw less current _at a given voltage_, Correct > but that simply > means they desire a higher voltage in the first place. ^^^^^^ I'd say that the speaker or earphone *requires* a larger voltage to drive sufficient current through the higher resistor to cause a given output sound power. As a historical note, domestic loudspeakers are nominally 8 ohms impedance. Car loudspeakers have tended to be 4 ohms impedance because the available supply voltage is limited by the car battery voltage. Lower impedance means that the available voltage can drive a larger current through the speaker, thereby creating a louder noise. The basic point that Lennart makes - that a sound card was meant to drive powered loudspeakers (which require next to no input signal) or high impedance headphones (ditto) is correct. You can't drive a loudspeaker or low impedance headphones with that signal: you need a power amplifier. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 02:05:03 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:05:03 -0400 Subject: optical out sound card for linux? In-Reply-To: <8824.74.98.136.37.1184032169.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> <92ee967a0707070625s63f1775ew7e3cbf52b0bc757f@mail.gmail.com> <1183815867.13986.133.camel@stan64.site> <5748.74.98.136.37.1183816624.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20070709212324.GD31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <8824.74.98.136.37.1184032169.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <4692E94F.80602@utoronto.ca> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >> High impedance means it requires a higher voltage to get the same amount >> of sound generated. > > Correct. > >> If you can't generate that amount of voltage, then >> you won't get the desired sound or you may get distorsion because the >> amplifier can't keep up with the power demand. > > Well, not exactly. The operator turns up the volume -> the output voltage > increases -> this leads to 'clipping' before the desired effect (louder > sound) is achieved. The power supply rails of the output amplifier set the > maximum output voltage, and when the output tries to exceed those, the > output voltage limits. On a scope (such as our beautiful Syscomp DSO-101 > which we manufacture, shameless plug ;) you would see flat tops at the > extremes of a sine wave. These flat tops represent gross distortion. > >> So yes they draw less current _at a given voltage_, > > Correct > >> but that simply >> means they desire a higher voltage in the first place. > ^^^^^^ > I'd say that the speaker or earphone *requires* a larger voltage to drive > sufficient current through the higher resistor to cause a given output > sound power. > > As a historical note, domestic loudspeakers are nominally 8 ohms > impedance. Car loudspeakers have tended to be 4 ohms impedance because the > available supply voltage is limited by the car battery voltage. Lower > impedance means that the available voltage can drive a larger current > through the speaker, thereby creating a louder noise. > > The basic point that Lennart makes - that a sound card was meant to drive > powered loudspeakers (which require next to no input signal) or high > impedance headphones (ditto) is correct. You can't drive a loudspeaker or > low impedance headphones with that signal: you need a power amplifier. > You also don't want speakers/cans with lower impedance than that for which your amp is rated, else you run the risk of overheating it. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 03:57:55 2007 From: louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (hui xu) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 23:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: input output error In-Reply-To: <8824.74.98.136.37.1184032169.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <8824.74.98.136.37.1184032169.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <82168.29123.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, Could anybody tell me how to recover the data from my harddisk? My problem is: I have stored all my photoes and software in an harddisk connected by USB to my linux box. I have not used it for half year. recently I try to mount ( mount -a /dev/sda /bigfoot) it to my linux box to get the data, I got the errors "/dev/sda: Input/output error mount: you must specify the filesystem type" Thanks Louie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 04:07:27 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:07:27 -0400 Subject: input output error In-Reply-To: <82168.29123.qm-nL7KR/xab7CB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <8824.74.98.136.37.1184032169.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <82168.29123.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070710000727.29916a1d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> hui xu left a post-it on the fridge: > Could anybody tell me how to recover the data from my > harddisk? My problem is: > > I have stored all my photoes and software in an > harddisk connected by USB to my linux box. I have not > used it for half year. recently I try to mount ( mount > -a /dev/sda /bigfoot) it to my linux box to get the > data, I got the errors "/dev/sda: Input/output error > mount: you must specify the filesystem type" Was the drive connected to a Windows box during the half year of misuse? What happens if you try to specify the filesystem type with 'mount -t'? -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "Who was that guy?" -Fry "Your momma! Now shut up and drag me to work." -Bender -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 04:27:02 2007 From: louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (hui xu) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: input output error In-Reply-To: <20070710000727.29916a1d-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20070710000727.29916a1d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <118268.24184.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi JoeHill, My comuputer contains windows XP and readhat 7.3, So the harddisk may accidentally connect to windows xp when I use windows ops. I have tried -t command, but it still doesn't work. The following is the error message: ___________________________________________________- mount -t vfat /dev/sda /bigfeet mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, or too many mounted file systems mount -t ext3 /dev/sda /bigfeet mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, or too many mounted file systems ____________________________________________________ Thanks! Louie --- JoeHill wrote: > hui xu left a post-it on the fridge: > > > Could anybody tell me how to recover the data from > my > > harddisk? My problem is: > > > > I have stored all my photoes and software in an > > harddi sk connected by USB to my linux box. I have > not > > used it for half year. recently I try to mount ( > mount > > -a /dev/sda /bigfoot) it to my linux box to get > the > > data, I got the errors "/dev/sda: Input/output > error > > mount: you must specify the filesystem type" > > Was the drive connected to a Windows box during the > half year of misuse? What > happens if you try to specify the filesystem type > with 'mount -t'? > > -- > JoeHill > ++++++++++++++++++++ > "Who was that guy?" -Fry > "Your momma! Now shut up and drag me to work." > -Bender > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 04:42:09 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:42:09 -0400 Subject: input output error In-Reply-To: <118268.24184.qm-ySOG5rqd6taB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20070710000727.29916a1d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <118268.24184.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070710004209.63f53aec@node1.freeyourmachine.org> hui xu left a post-it on the fridge: > Hi JoeHill, > > My comuputer contains windows XP and readhat 7.3, So > the harddisk may accidentally connect to windows xp > when I use windows ops. I have tried -t command, but > it still doesn't work. The following is the error > message: > > ___________________________________________________- > mount -t vfat /dev/sda /bigfeet > > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on > /dev/sda, or too many mounted file systems > > > > mount -t ext3 /dev/sda /bigfeet > > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on > /dev/sda, or too many mounted file systems Is there more than one partition on the drive? This is an error I've seen when there is a Linux and a Win partition on the drive. I've just been playing around with my own USB drive, and it has a VFAT, NTFS, and an EXT3. If there is more than one partition, check in /etc/mtab to see what devices the partitions correspond to, ie. /dev/sda1, etc. Also, if you check google.ca/linux with that error, this seems to be very common...again, I know, because that's where I originally learned what little I know about settting up my own drive... ;-) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: Hey, that's my last beer, you bastard. I'll kill you! Fry: I'll kill you too, buddy, I'll kill you too. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 04:53:00 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:53:00 -0400 Subject: input output error In-Reply-To: <82168.29123.qm-nL7KR/xab7CB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <82168.29123.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <469310AC.5050509@ve3syb.ca> hui xu wrote: > I have stored all my photoes and software in an > harddisk connected by USB to my linux box. I have not > used it for half year. recently I try to mount ( mount > -a /dev/sda /bigfoot) it to my linux box to get the > data, I got the errors "/dev/sda: Input/output error > mount: you must specify the filesystem type" Its a bit unusual to be mounting a drive without specifying a partition. Run 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' and check if you are supposed to be mounting a partition on the drive. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 05:00:23 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:00:23 -0400 Subject: input output error In-Reply-To: <469310AC.5050509-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <82168.29123.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <469310AC.5050509@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20070710010023.6b89607b@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Kevin Cozens left a post-it on the fridge: > hui xu wrote: > > I have stored all my photoes and software in an > > harddisk connected by USB to my linux box. I have not > > used it for half year. recently I try to mount ( mount > > -a /dev/sda /bigfoot) it to my linux box to get the > > data, I got the errors "/dev/sda: Input/output error > > mount: you must specify the filesystem type" > > Its a bit unusual to be mounting a drive without specifying a partition. Run > 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' and check if you are supposed to be mounting a partition > on the drive. Oops! Heh, yeah, that's what I meant to say... ;) Of course, /etc/mtab will only show you the drives already mounted. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "I love this planet. I've got wealth, fame, and access to the depths of sleaze that those things bring." -Bender -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 11:14:22 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:14:22 -0400 Subject: input output error In-Reply-To: <82168.29123.qm-nL7KR/xab7CB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <82168.29123.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46936A0E.5020107@rogers.com> hui xu wrote: > Hi, > > Could anybody tell me how to recover the data from my > harddisk? My problem is: > > I have stored all my photoes and software in an > harddisk connected by USB to my linux box. I have not > used it for half year. recently I try to mount ( mount > -a /dev/sda /bigfoot) it to my linux box to get the > data, I got the errors "/dev/sda: Input/output error > mount: you must specify the filesystem type" > Normally, you have to specify a partition, such as /dev/sda1. You've only specified a device. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 13:24:20 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:24:20 -0400 Subject: input output error In-Reply-To: <82168.29123.qm-nL7KR/xab7CB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <82168.29123.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1184073860.25342.121.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 23:57 -0400, hui xu wrote: > Could anybody tell me how to recover the data from my > harddisk? My problem is: > > I have stored all my photoes and software in an > harddisk connected by USB to my linux box. I have not > used it for half year. recently I try to mount ( mount > -a /dev/sda /bigfoot) it to my linux box to get the > data, I got the errors "/dev/sda: Input/output error > mount: you must specify the filesystem type" In your commands you are using /dev/sda which refers to the entire disk which includes the boot sector, partition table and all partitions. Normally disks are partitioned and devices like /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2, etc are used to access the partitions. Your use of the mount command isn't correct either. The -a flag is for mounting all file systems specified in /etc/fstab. You should first try this: fdisk -l /dev/sda If any partitions show up then try mounting those individually. mount /dev/sda1 /bigfoot You should be very careful about using whole disk devices. If you write to them you generally overwrite the boot sectors and partition tables and things get pretty mucked up from there. Other things to consider is that the hard disk may use Logical Volume Manager. Try running 'pvdisplay /dev/sda' to see if the disk is setup as a LVM physical volume. Again it's likely that it's partitioned so trying 'pvcreate /dev/sda1' is generally more normal. If software RAID is also in place then it might be /dev/md0, or /dev/md1, etc. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux Conference for users by users. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 13:47:11 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:47:11 -0400 Subject: input output error In-Reply-To: <82168.29123.qm-nL7KR/xab7CB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <8824.74.98.136.37.1184032169.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <82168.29123.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070710134711.GG31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 11:57:55PM -0400, hui xu wrote: > Could anybody tell me how to recover the data from my > harddisk? My problem is: > > I have stored all my photoes and software in an > harddisk connected by USB to my linux box. I have not > used it for half year. recently I try to mount ( mount > -a /dev/sda /bigfoot) it to my linux box to get the > data, I got the errors "/dev/sda: Input/output error > mount: you must specify the filesystem type" What is the output of these: fdisk -l /dev/sda file -s /dev/sda /dev/sda1 -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 13:53:32 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:53:32 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting Problem In-Reply-To: <468B1523.7070702-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <468B1523.7070702@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070710135332.GH31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 11:33:55PM -0400, John McGregor wrote: > I very recently worked on a couple of beige boxes from a national > Canadian manufacturer with a 3 letter name and both had suffered the > same fate -- blown capacitors. When I opened the cases the smell was > quite distinct. I can certainly think of one national computer manufacturer in Canada I would never buy anything from. They also like to get people hooked on the dollar per day computer offers. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 13:55:29 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:55:29 -0400 Subject: Web hosting problem In-Reply-To: <200707032130.11282.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <468AEC9B.9040901@rogers.com> <200707032130.11282.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20070710135529.GI31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 09:30:10PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > I have had mysterious DNS troubles with the Rogers network before and > I am not alone. The usual response from Rogers is to delay, ask for > traceroutes while ignoring the ones that were put in front of them, > and otherwise deny problems. They eventually get it sorted out but > have never admitted problems to me. However, in this case, I cannot > get to that domain from Rogers or from any of the three different > data centres in which we have servers, here in Toronto, in Chicago, > or in Europe. Those data centres are all on different networks so the > likelihood of it being a problem with all four networks is quite > unlikely. Well I have had certain domains that roger's DNS simply seems to not be able to resolve, while other DNS servers have no problems. This has been going on for probably most of the last year. It comes and goes. When it happens though it seems to affect both my cablemodem at home, and the T1 at work. I guess they probably go through the same DNS servers at rogers. Pointing DNS at a different server seems to solve everything though. You would think a company the size of rogers could figure out how to run a working DNS server, but then again you would be wrong. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 13:58:52 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:58:52 -0400 Subject: Misc. bits. In-Reply-To: <557135.85464.qm-p6KvMhi7PWKB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <557135.85464.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070710135852.GJ31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:03:27PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > First I trust everyone here knows that the Free > Software Foundation has officially released the GNU > Public Licence version 3. The GPL version 2 is the > licence that most of the software a typical GNU/Linux > system is released under. Provisions in the GPL 3 will > make things ... interesting ... for a few companies, > such as Microsoft, Novell, TiVo and Xandros (all who > have in one way or another attempted to exploit > loopholes in GPL 2, that are now closed in GPL 3). So we go from loopholes we know about to loopholes yet to be discovered. It's just like upgrading from software with known bugs to software with unknown bugs. No wonder some people aren't sure about it. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 14:03:44 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:03:44 -0400 Subject: Misc. bits. In-Reply-To: <20070710135852.GJ31194-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <557135.85464.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070710135852.GJ31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <469391C0.5080607@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:03:27PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > >> First I trust everyone here knows that the Free >> Software Foundation has officially released the GNU >> Public Licence version 3. The GPL version 2 is the >> licence that most of the software a typical GNU/Linux >> system is released under. Provisions in the GPL 3 will >> make things ... interesting ... for a few companies, >> such as Microsoft, Novell, TiVo and Xandros (all who >> have in one way or another attempted to exploit >> loopholes in GPL 2, that are now closed in GPL 3). >> > > So we go from loopholes we know about to loopholes yet to be discovered. > It's just like upgrading from software with known bugs to software with > unknown bugs. No wonder some people aren't sure about it. :) > Please make a list of all unknown loopholes. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 14:09:35 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:09:35 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting Problem In-Reply-To: <20070710135332.GH31194-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <468B1523.7070702@rogers.com> <20070710135332.GH31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070710100935.3cfae45f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Lennart Sorensen left a post-it on the fridge: > On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 11:33:55PM -0400, John McGregor wrote: > > I very recently worked on a couple of beige boxes from a national > > Canadian manufacturer with a 3 letter name and both had suffered the > > same fate -- blown capacitors. When I opened the cases the smell was > > quite distinct. > > I can certainly think of one national computer manufacturer in Canada I > would never buy anything from. They also like to get people hooked on > the dollar per day computer offers. :) Yeah, but those ones smell bad even before the capacitors blow. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: "Oh my God, I'm so excited I wish I could wet my pants." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 14:20:20 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:20:20 -0400 Subject: Misc. bits. In-Reply-To: <469391C0.5080607-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <557135.85464.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070710135852.GJ31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <469391C0.5080607@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070710142020.GK31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:03:44AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Please make a list of all unknown loopholes. ;-) I have a feeling that some of the anti tivo stuff is too specific and will end up leaving gaping holes that may be worse than what the GPLv2 had. But what do I know, it's just a feeling. I tend to prefer to keep things as simple as possible and the GPLv3 is starting to approach the length of one of microsoft's EULAs. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 19:36:25 2007 From: lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:36:25 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Performance Question Message-ID: <380-220077210193625430@M2W020.mail2web.com> I migrated my Subversion server from a 800Mhz Pentium 3 with 512 MB of memory to a 3GHz Pentium 4 with 2 GB of memory. They both run Ubuntu 6.06 LTS Linux (2.6.15-26-386 kernel). The P4 machine seems to be rather slow. Here is truncated output from top: top - 15:19:19 up 5 days, 22:43, 1 user, load average: 0.33, 0.09, 0.03 Tasks: 56 total, 1 running, 55 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 4.2% us, 0.0% sy, 0.0% ni, 95.8% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si Mem: 2067576k total, 1474208k used, 593368k free, 213872k buffers Swap: 1951800k total, 18904k used, 1932896k free, 1167500k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 15543 lsvatos 17 0 2196 1088 856 R 3.8 0.1 0:00.53 top And here from the P3 box: top - 15:17:07 up 19 days, 5:09, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Tasks: 51 total, 1 running, 50 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 0.0% us, 0.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 99.7% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si Mem: 515284k total, 418848k used, 96436k free, 72740k buffers Swap: 979832k total, 18904k used, 960928k free, 262132k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 9848 lsvatos 16 0 2192 1076 856 R 0.3 0.2 0:00.16 top How is it possible for the same program to consume 10 times the CPU time? I would appreciate any suggestions. Ladislav Svatos -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com ? What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 20:04:04 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Misc. bits. In-Reply-To: <469391C0.5080607-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <469391C0.5080607@rogers.com> Message-ID: <839339.20065.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- James Knott wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:03:27PM -0400, Colin > McGregor wrote: > > > >> First I trust everyone here knows that the Free > >> Software Foundation has officially released the > GNU > >> Public Licence version 3. The GPL version 2 is > the > >> licence that most of the software a typical > GNU/Linux > >> system is released under. Provisions in the GPL 3 > will > >> make things ... interesting ... for a few > companies, > >> such as Microsoft, Novell, TiVo and Xandros (all > who > >> have in one way or another attempted to exploit > >> loopholes in GPL 2, that are now closed in GPL > 3). > >> > > > > So we go from loopholes we know about to loopholes > yet to be discovered. > > It's just like upgrading from software with known > bugs to software with > > unknown bugs. No wonder some people aren't sure > about it. :) > > > > Please make a list of all unknown loopholes. ;-) Yes, GPL 2 turned out to have some issues the could not be seen when it was written and it may turn out that GPL 3 has issues. But on balance it is an improvement over what has been, where firms like TiVo stayed inside the letter of GPL 2 while spitting on the ideals that drove GPL 2. The fact that the SAMBA people have decided to convert to GPL 3 is in my books a great thing. This will make life rough for Novell and/or Microsoft, as either Novell has to either fork a piece of software that is key to their Microsoft compatibility efforts or they have to drag Microsoft kicking and screaming (which they have already started doing) into GPL 3. So, will bugs appear in GPL 3, almost certainly yes. I could see laws getting passed that would blunt GPL 3, out of malice or a law passed in to fix one real problem causing some unplanned problem with GPL3. Regardless, the idea that if you get a piece of GPL 3 software and then distribute it, the people who get that software must have the same freedom you had is central. If 5, 10 or 20 years down the road a GPL 4 needs to be written, fine, so be it. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 21:09:34 2007 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:09:34 -0400 Subject: input output error In-Reply-To: <82168.29123.qm-nL7KR/xab7CB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <8824.74.98.136.37.1184032169.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <82168.29123.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280707101409k699b43adi21d2ab8feaa63df0@mail.gmail.com> On 7/9/07, hui xu wrote: > Could anybody tell me how to recover the data from my > harddisk? My problem is: > > I have stored all my photoes and software in an > harddisk connected by USB to my linux box. I have not > used it for half year. recently I try to mount ( mount > -a /dev/sda /bigfoot) it to my linux box to get the > data, I got the errors "/dev/sda: Input/output error > mount: you must specify the filesystem type" A great deal of sound advice has been put forward, but another possibility that hasn't been suggested yet is that there's an issue with the USB enclosure - I've had this problem. Try the suggestions already mentioned, but if that fails open the external casing and put the HD directly into your computer as a standard (S)ATA HD. The HD itself is probably fine, the failure is likely either (as mentioned) incorrect use of the mount command, or a physical failure of the enclosure. Even if the enclosure is fine, installing the HD interally bypasses misconfigurations of your Linux USB or SCSI drivers. Good luck. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 21:35:50 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:35:50 -0400 Subject: [OT]: Novell's Intentions (Was: Misc. bits.) Message-ID: <99a6c38f0707101435v424e1719x75f27d9fcfd83743@mail.gmail.com> Is it just me, or does Novell look like it's trying to play both sides of the fence? On 7/10/07, Colin McGregor wrote: > The fact that the SAMBA people have decided to convert > to GPL 3 is in my books a great thing. This will make > life rough for Novell and/or Microsoft, as either > Novell has to either fork a piece of software that is > key to their Microsoft compatibility efforts or they > have to drag Microsoft kicking and screaming (which > they have already started doing) into GPL 3. I'd like to think that Novell has been acting, secretly, like a double-agent for FOSS. Whether that's true or not probably depends on which way the wind is blowing. My personal opinion of recent media releases regarding GPLv3 is that M$ is in deep $hit. But, of course, that doesn't mean a damn. Perhaps Novell will yet prove valuable in the demise of Micro$soft. > So, will bugs appear in GPL 3, almost certainly yes. I > could see laws getting passed that would blunt GPL 3, > out of malice or a law passed in to fix one real > problem causing some unplanned problem with GPL3. > > Regardless, the idea that if you get a piece of GPL 3 > software and then distribute it, the people who get > that software must have the same freedom you had is > central. If 5, 10 or 20 years down the road a GPL 4 > needs to be written, fine, so be it. Aargh! Someone kill the life cycle already! Isn't there a "Philosopher's Stone" for Software Development? -- Scott Elcomb [ http://www.psema4.com/ ] "Our Founders' faith in the viability of representative democracy rested on their trust in the wisdom of a well-informed citizenry, their ingenious design for checks and balances, and their belief that the rule of reason is the natural sovereign of a free people." - Al Gore (The Assault on Reason, 2008) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 21:57:19 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:57:19 -0400 Subject: Misc. bits. In-Reply-To: <20070710142020.GK31194-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <557135.85464.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070710135852.GJ31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <469391C0.5080607@rogers.com> <20070710142020.GK31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070710175719.670673dd@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Lennart Sorensen left a post-it on the fridge: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:03:44AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > > Please make a list of all unknown loopholes. ;-) > > I have a feeling that some of the anti tivo stuff is too specific and > will end up leaving gaping holes that may be worse than what the GPLv2 > had. But what do I know, it's just a feeling. I tend to prefer to keep > things as simple as possible and the GPLv3 is starting to approach the > length of one of microsoft's EULAs. Ouch! But, you know, it's not the length that matters (and that innuendo is certainly applicable when speaking of an MS EULA, no?) ;) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: OK, but I don't want anyone thinking we're robosexuals. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 22:00:23 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:00:23 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Performance Question In-Reply-To: <380-220077210193625430-cfTIXOMNBXmZ8YYJsr7BYUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <380-220077210193625430@M2W020.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <20070710220023.GL31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 03:36:25PM -0400, lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > I migrated my Subversion server from a 800Mhz Pentium 3 with 512 MB of > memory to a 3GHz Pentium 4 with 2 GB of memory. They both run Ubuntu 6.06 > LTS Linux (2.6.15-26-386 kernel). > The P4 machine seems to be rather slow. Here is truncated output from top: > > top - 15:19:19 up 5 days, 22:43, 1 user, load average: 0.33, 0.09, 0.03 > Tasks: 56 total, 1 running, 55 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > Cpu(s): 4.2% us, 0.0% sy, 0.0% ni, 95.8% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si > Mem: 2067576k total, 1474208k used, 593368k free, 213872k buffers > Swap: 1951800k total, 18904k used, 1932896k free, 1167500k cached > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND > > 15543 lsvatos 17 0 2196 1088 856 R 3.8 0.1 0:00.53 top > > And here from the P3 box: > > top - 15:17:07 up 19 days, 5:09, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > Tasks: 51 total, 1 running, 50 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > Cpu(s): 0.0% us, 0.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 99.7% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si > Mem: 515284k total, 418848k used, 96436k free, 72740k buffers > Swap: 979832k total, 18904k used, 960928k free, 262132k cached > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND > > 9848 lsvatos 16 0 2192 1076 856 R 0.3 0.2 0:00.16 top > > How is it possible for the same program to consume 10 times the CPU time? > I would appreciate any suggestions. Not having DMA enabled for disk access can cause quite a severe cpu hit. What does dmesg say on both? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 10 22:15:05 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:15:05 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu Performance Question In-Reply-To: <20070710220023.GL31194-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <380-220077210193625430@M2W020.mail2web.com> <20070710220023.GL31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0707101515h686dfa30m16ef7fd4f7be236d@mail.gmail.com> You can also check DMA on the drive using hdparm -d /dev/hda (substitute you drive as appropriate, doesn't apply to SCSI/SATA/USB drives) On 7/10/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 03:36:25PM -0400, lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > I migrated my Subversion server from a 800Mhz Pentium 3 with 512 MB of > > memory to a 3GHz Pentium 4 with 2 GB of memory. They both run Ubuntu 6.06 > > LTS Linux (2.6.15-26-386 kernel). > > The P4 machine seems to be rather slow. Here is truncated output from top: > > > > top - 15:19:19 up 5 days, 22:43, 1 user, load average: 0.33, 0.09, 0.03 > > Tasks: 56 total, 1 running, 55 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > > Cpu(s): 4.2% us, 0.0% sy, 0.0% ni, 95.8% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si > > Mem: 2067576k total, 1474208k used, 593368k free, 213872k buffers > > Swap: 1951800k total, 18904k used, 1932896k free, 1167500k cached > > > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND > > > > 15543 lsvatos 17 0 2196 1088 856 R 3.8 0.1 0:00.53 top > > > > And here from the P3 box: > > > > top - 15:17:07 up 19 days, 5:09, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > Tasks: 51 total, 1 running, 50 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > > Cpu(s): 0.0% us, 0.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 99.7% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si > > Mem: 515284k total, 418848k used, 96436k free, 72740k buffers > > Swap: 979832k total, 18904k used, 960928k free, 262132k cached > > > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND > > > > 9848 lsvatos 16 0 2192 1076 856 R 0.3 0.2 0:00.16 top > > > > How is it possible for the same program to consume 10 times the CPU time? > > I would appreciate any suggestions. > > Not having DMA enabled for disk access can cause quite a severe cpu hit. > > What does dmesg say on both? > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 01:47:55 2007 From: louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (hui xu) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: input output error In-Reply-To: <20070710134711.GG31194-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070710134711.GG31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <136436.77193.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I tried fdisk -l /dev/sda, I got blank output with file -s /dev/sda /dev/sda, I got /dev/sda: file: read failed (Input/output error) with /sbin/pvdisplay /dev/sda , I got ERROR "pv_read(): read" no VAILD physical volum "/dev/sda" Doese these means my disk is broken so I have to buy a new one? Thansk! LOuie --- Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 11:57:55PM -0400, hui xu > wrote: > > Could anybody tell me how to recover the data from > my > > harddisk? My problem is: > > > > I have stored all my photoes and software in an > > harddisk connected by USB to my linux box. I have > not > > used it for half year. recently I try to mount ( > mount > > -a /dev/sda /bigfoot) it to my linux box to get > the > > data, I got the errors "/dev/sda: Input/output > error > > mount: you must specify the filesystem type" > > What is the output of these: > > fdisk -l /dev/sda > file -s /dev/sda /dev/sda1 > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 02:36:08 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:36:08 -0400 Subject: [OT] New Bell TOS In-Reply-To: <4683964E.7070606-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990706241408k6d080022oce957773885cce3d@mail.gmail.com> <20070627210414.1c1b4952.hgibson@eol.ca> <4683964E.7070606@rogers.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880707101936o6a0a8e61v180f18d8a30466a6@mail.gmail.com> you could play games with them on the phone so they never call u again . . . . On 6/28/07, James Knott wrote: > Howard Gibson wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:51:22 -0400 > > "Alex Beamish" wrote: > > > > > >> Also, I'm being hounded by Rogers Home Phone (*two* calls within four days) > >> and would like to get similar information posted about Skype/Rogers Home > >> Phone comparisons. > >> > > > > Alex and all, > > > > Do _not_ give Rogers your cellphone number. > > > > Lesson learned the hard way. :) > > > > > I wish Bell/Sympatico would stop harassing me. > > -- > Use OpenOffice.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 03:07:48 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:07:48 -0400 Subject: [OT]: Novell's Intentions (Was: Misc. bits.) In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0707101435v424e1719x75f27d9fcfd83743-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0707101435v424e1719x75f27d9fcfd83743@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/10/07, Scott Elcomb wrote: > Is it just me, or does Novell look like it's trying to play both sides > of the fence? > > On 7/10/07, Colin McGregor wrote: > > The fact that the SAMBA people have decided to convert > > to GPL 3 is in my books a great thing. This will make > > life rough for Novell and/or Microsoft, as either > > Novell has to either fork a piece of software that is > > key to their Microsoft compatibility efforts or they > > have to drag Microsoft kicking and screaming (which > > they have already started doing) into GPL 3. > > I'd like to think that Novell has been acting, secretly, like a > double-agent for FOSS. Whether that's true or not probably depends on > which way the wind is blowing. I don't know what side they're on. Actually, I do; they're on their own side. Or their investors'. Or management's side. Or some combination thereof. I'm quite sure they're not on "our" side, for a pretty liberal set of possible interpretations of what "our" might mean... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 03:34:54 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Compiling k3b in Slackware Message-ID: <62325.208.72.124.93.1184124894.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> Hello I have Slack 11 installed, and found that, after installing the works, k3b wasn't there. I downloaded a source tarball from Sourceforge, and compiled it. ./configure didn't seem to report any errors, but doing a "make" failed. Anyone get k3b to compile under Slack 11? What did you do ? Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 04:13:18 2007 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:13:18 -0400 Subject: Compiling k3b in Slackware In-Reply-To: <62325.208.72.124.93.1184124894.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0lrcv4dJfSQg@public.gmane.org> References: <62325.208.72.124.93.1184124894.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> Message-ID: <20070711001318.8ceea647.gstrom@teksavvy.com> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:34:54 -0400 (EDT) sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org wrote: > Hello > > I have Slack 11 installed, and found that, after installing the > works, k3b wasn't there. I downloaded a source tarball from > Sourceforge, and compiled it. > > ./configure didn't seem to report any errors, but doing a "make" > failed. > > Anyone get k3b to compile under Slack 11? What did you do ? > First of all, I'm still running Slackware 10.2, but I've found k3b can be touchy if you don't have all of the mandatory packages installed. Without knowing the error messages you got from make, I can't add much more to that. Did you know that there is a slackware package for k3b in the /extra directory? It's right here: ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-11.0/extra/k3b/ One last point that you may or may not care about. Slackware 12 was released a couple of days ago. -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 06:14:42 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:14:42 -0700 Subject: input output error In-Reply-To: <136436.77193.qm-R2miST5oPbOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20070710134711.GG31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <136436.77193.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0707102314q795e8f0bs89bed02b48a5c06e@mail.gmail.com> Have you tried it in a different USB port? Also, you might want to check to see what error messages occur before mounting. Unplug the USB cable and power the drive down. Now power it up, and after a moment or two plug in the USB cable. Type "dmesg | tail" and see what it says, it should find the connected drive and/or partition(s). If you get input/output error there... you might want to consider plugging the drive right into the machine or trying a different enclosure. Also, sometimes I find that where fdisk fails, cfdisk works Try cfdisk /dev/sda or failing that cfdisk -Z /dev/sda (DO NOT WRITE TO THE DRIVE IF YOU DO THIS, IT WILL ERASE PARTITIONS, but you can see if it finds the drive and correct size) I'll be in Toronto about Sunday, if you still can't figure it out maybe you can drag it along to a cafe somewhere and I can test it against my laptop. Regards, Tyler On 7/10/07, hui xu wrote: > > > I tried > > fdisk -l /dev/sda, I got blank output > > with > > file -s /dev/sda /dev/sda, I got > > /dev/sda: file: read failed (Input/output error) > > with > > /sbin/pvdisplay /dev/sda , I got > > ERROR "pv_read(): read" no VAILD physical volum > "/dev/sda" > > > Doese these means my disk is broken so I have to buy a > new one? > > Thansk! > LOuie > > > > > > > > > > --- Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 11:57:55PM -0400, hui xu > > wrote: > > > Could anybody tell me how to recover the data from > > my > > > harddisk? My problem is: > > > > > > I have stored all my photoes and software in an > > > harddisk connected by USB to my linux box. I have > > not > > > used it for half year. recently I try to mount ( > > mount > > > -a /dev/sda /bigfoot) it to my linux box to get > > the > > > data, I got the errors "/dev/sda: Input/output > > error > > > mount: you must specify the filesystem type" > > > > What is the output of these: > > > > fdisk -l /dev/sda > > file -s /dev/sda /dev/sda1 > > > > -- > > Len Sorensen > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > > http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > > below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 11:33:43 2007 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:33:43 +0200 Subject: sh question: commands as variables / stream operators in a variable Message-ID: <4694C017.5030801@visible-assets.com> This is a bit of a tricky thing to work around, but i would basically like to include shell stream operators in a variable that will eventually be a command string. Particularly, I would like to make compression selectable in a script through a variable which contains the pipe operator '|' and then run a command (stored also as a variable) which would include a redirect on stdout '>' Does anyone know why something like this wouldn't work (at least in bash) ? My output is: cat: invalid option -- 9 Try `cat --help' for more information. Any suggestions are very welcome ;-) ~/Chris A simple test script is here: #!/bin/sh echo 'Hello World!' > test.txt CMD="cat test.txt" OUTFILE="test2.txt" # COMP can be one of '', 'bzip2', 'gzip' COMP="bzip2" COMP_CMD="" case "$COMP" in ("bzip2") COMP_CMD=" | bzip -9 " OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.bz2" ;; ("gzip") COMP_CMD=" | gzip -c -9 " OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.gz" ;; ("") COMP_CMD="" ;; (*) exit 1 ;; esac CMD="${CMD} ${COMP_CMD} > ${OUTFILE}" exit $? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 11:40:39 2007 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:40:39 +0200 Subject: sh question: commands as variables / stream operators in a variable In-Reply-To: <4694C017.5030801-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <4694C017.5030801@visible-assets.com> Message-ID: <4694C1B7.9060202@visible-assets.com> woops, sorry... .. was saying bzip instead of bzip2 ... :) correct script is here: #!/bin/sh echo 'Hello World!' > test.txt CMD="cat test.txt" OUTFILE="test2.txt" # COMP can be one of '', 'bzip2', 'gzip' COMP="bzip2" COMP_CMD="" case "$COMP" in ("bzip2") COMP_CMD=" | bzip2 -9 " OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.bz2" ;; ("gzip") COMP_CMD=" | gzip -c -9 " OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.gz" ;; ("") COMP_CMD="" ;; (*) exit 1 ;; esac CMD="${CMD} ${COMP_CMD} > ${OUTFILE}" exit $? Christopher Friedt wrote: > This is a bit of a tricky thing to work around, but i would basically > like to include shell stream operators in a variable that will > eventually be a command string. > > Particularly, I would like to make compression selectable in a script > through a variable which contains the pipe operator '|' and then run a > command (stored also as a variable) which would include a redirect on > stdout '>' > > Does anyone know why something like this wouldn't work (at least in bash) ? > > My output is: > cat: invalid option -- 9 > Try `cat --help' for more information. > > Any suggestions are very welcome ;-) > > ~/Chris > > A simple test script is here: > > #!/bin/sh > > echo 'Hello World!' > test.txt > CMD="cat test.txt" > OUTFILE="test2.txt" > > # COMP can be one of '', 'bzip2', 'gzip' > COMP="bzip2" > COMP_CMD="" > case "$COMP" in > ("bzip2") > COMP_CMD=" | bzip -9 " > OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.bz2" > ;; > ("gzip") > COMP_CMD=" | gzip -c -9 " > OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.gz" > ;; > ("") > COMP_CMD="" > ;; > (*) > exit 1 > ;; > esac > > CMD="${CMD} ${COMP_CMD} > ${OUTFILE}" > exit $? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 11:43:40 2007 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:43:40 +0200 Subject: sh question: commands as variables / stream operators in a variable In-Reply-To: <4694C1B7.9060202-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <4694C017.5030801@visible-assets.com> <4694C1B7.9060202@visible-assets.com> Message-ID: <4694C26C.7040500@visible-assets.com> hmmph... still no test2.* ... not working ;( Christopher Friedt wrote: > woops, > > sorry... .. was saying bzip instead of bzip2 > > ... :) > > correct script is here: > > > #!/bin/sh > > echo 'Hello World!' > test.txt > CMD="cat test.txt" > OUTFILE="test2.txt" > > # COMP can be one of '', 'bzip2', 'gzip' > COMP="bzip2" > COMP_CMD="" > case "$COMP" in > ("bzip2") > COMP_CMD=" | bzip2 -9 " > OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.bz2" > ;; > ("gzip") > COMP_CMD=" | gzip -c -9 " > OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.gz" > ;; > ("") > COMP_CMD="" > ;; > (*) > exit 1 > ;; > esac > > CMD="${CMD} ${COMP_CMD} > ${OUTFILE}" > exit $? > > > Christopher Friedt wrote: >> This is a bit of a tricky thing to work around, but i would basically >> like to include shell stream operators in a variable that will >> eventually be a command string. >> >> Particularly, I would like to make compression selectable in a script >> through a variable which contains the pipe operator '|' and then run a >> command (stored also as a variable) which would include a redirect on >> stdout '>' >> >> Does anyone know why something like this wouldn't work (at least in >> bash) ? >> >> My output is: >> cat: invalid option -- 9 >> Try `cat --help' for more information. >> >> Any suggestions are very welcome ;-) >> >> ~/Chris >> >> A simple test script is here: >> >> #!/bin/sh >> >> echo 'Hello World!' > test.txt >> CMD="cat test.txt" >> OUTFILE="test2.txt" >> >> # COMP can be one of '', 'bzip2', 'gzip' >> COMP="bzip2" >> COMP_CMD="" >> case "$COMP" in >> ("bzip2") >> COMP_CMD=" | bzip -9 " >> OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.bz2" >> ;; >> ("gzip") >> COMP_CMD=" | gzip -c -9 " >> OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.gz" >> ;; >> ("") >> COMP_CMD="" >> ;; >> (*) >> exit 1 >> ;; >> esac >> >> CMD="${CMD} ${COMP_CMD} > ${OUTFILE}" >> exit $? >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 11:46:20 2007 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:46:20 +0200 Subject: sh question: commands as variables / stream operators in a variable In-Reply-To: <4694C26C.7040500-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <4694C017.5030801@visible-assets.com> <4694C1B7.9060202@visible-assets.com> <4694C26C.7040500@visible-assets.com> Message-ID: <4694C30C.6020903@visible-assets.com> again... sorry, revision output is: cat: invalid option -- 9 Try `cat --help' for more information. Here is the right test script: #!/bin/sh echo 'Hello World!' > test.txt CMD="cat test.txt" OUTFILE="test2.txt" # COMP can be one of '', 'bzip2', 'gzip' COMP="bzip2" COMP_CMD="" case "$COMP" in ("bzip2") COMP_CMD=" | bzip2 -9 " OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.bz2" ;; ("gzip") COMP_CMD=" | gzip -c -9 " OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.gz" ;; ("") COMP_CMD="" ;; (*) exit 1 ;; esac CMD="${CMD} ${COMP_CMD} > ${OUTFILE}" ${CMD} exit $? Christopher Friedt wrote: > hmmph... still no test2.* ... not working ;( > > Christopher Friedt wrote: >> woops, >> >> sorry... .. was saying bzip instead of bzip2 >> >> ... :) >> >> correct script is here: >> >> >> #!/bin/sh >> >> echo 'Hello World!' > test.txt >> CMD="cat test.txt" >> OUTFILE="test2.txt" >> >> # COMP can be one of '', 'bzip2', 'gzip' >> COMP="bzip2" >> COMP_CMD="" >> case "$COMP" in >> ("bzip2") >> COMP_CMD=" | bzip2 -9 " >> OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.bz2" >> ;; >> ("gzip") >> COMP_CMD=" | gzip -c -9 " >> OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.gz" >> ;; >> ("") >> COMP_CMD="" >> ;; >> (*) >> exit 1 >> ;; >> esac >> >> CMD="${CMD} ${COMP_CMD} > ${OUTFILE}" >> exit $? >> >> >> Christopher Friedt wrote: >>> This is a bit of a tricky thing to work around, but i would basically >>> like to include shell stream operators in a variable that will >>> eventually be a command string. >>> >>> Particularly, I would like to make compression selectable in a script >>> through a variable which contains the pipe operator '|' and then run >>> a command (stored also as a variable) which would include a redirect >>> on stdout '>' >>> >>> Does anyone know why something like this wouldn't work (at least in >>> bash) ? >>> >>> My output is: >>> cat: invalid option -- 9 >>> Try `cat --help' for more information. >>> >>> Any suggestions are very welcome ;-) >>> >>> ~/Chris >>> >>> A simple test script is here: >>> >>> #!/bin/sh >>> >>> echo 'Hello World!' > test.txt >>> CMD="cat test.txt" >>> OUTFILE="test2.txt" >>> >>> # COMP can be one of '', 'bzip2', 'gzip' >>> COMP="bzip2" >>> COMP_CMD="" >>> case "$COMP" in >>> ("bzip2") >>> COMP_CMD=" | bzip -9 " >>> OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.bz2" >>> ;; >>> ("gzip") >>> COMP_CMD=" | gzip -c -9 " >>> OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.gz" >>> ;; >>> ("") >>> COMP_CMD="" >>> ;; >>> (*) >>> exit 1 >>> ;; >>> esac >>> >>> CMD="${CMD} ${COMP_CMD} > ${OUTFILE}" >>> exit $? >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 12:30:04 2007 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:30:04 +0200 Subject: sh question: commands as variables / stream operators in a variable In-Reply-To: <4694C30C.6020903-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <4694C017.5030801@visible-assets.com> <4694C1B7.9060202@visible-assets.com> <4694C26C.7040500@visible-assets.com> <4694C30C.6020903@visible-assets.com> Message-ID: <4694CD4C.6000108@visible-assets.com> ah got it ;-) #!/bin/sh echo 'Hello World!' > test.txt CMD="cat test.txt" OUTFILE="test2.txt" # COMP can be one of '', 'bzip2', 'gzip' COMP="bzip2" COMP_CMD="" case "$COMP" in ("bzip2") COMP_CMD="| bzip2 -9" OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.bz2" ;; ("gzip") COMP_CMD="| gzip -c -9" OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.gz" ;; ("") COMP_CMD="" ;; (*) exit 1 ;; esac CMD="${CMD} ${COMP_CMD} > ${OUTFILE}" ${SHELL} -c "${CMD}" exit $? Christopher Friedt wrote: > again... sorry, revision > > output is: > cat: invalid option -- 9 > Try `cat --help' for more information. > > Here is the right test script: > > #!/bin/sh > > echo 'Hello World!' > test.txt > CMD="cat test.txt" > OUTFILE="test2.txt" > > # COMP can be one of '', 'bzip2', 'gzip' > COMP="bzip2" > COMP_CMD="" > case "$COMP" in > ("bzip2") > COMP_CMD=" | bzip2 -9 " > OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.bz2" > ;; > ("gzip") > COMP_CMD=" | gzip -c -9 " > OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.gz" > ;; > ("") > COMP_CMD="" > ;; > (*) > exit 1 > ;; > esac > > CMD="${CMD} ${COMP_CMD} > ${OUTFILE}" > ${CMD} > exit $? > > Christopher Friedt wrote: >> hmmph... still no test2.* ... not working ;( >> >> Christopher Friedt wrote: >>> woops, >>> >>> sorry... .. was saying bzip instead of bzip2 >>> >>> ... :) >>> >>> correct script is here: >>> >>> >>> #!/bin/sh >>> >>> echo 'Hello World!' > test.txt >>> CMD="cat test.txt" >>> OUTFILE="test2.txt" >>> >>> # COMP can be one of '', 'bzip2', 'gzip' >>> COMP="bzip2" >>> COMP_CMD="" >>> case "$COMP" in >>> ("bzip2") >>> COMP_CMD=" | bzip2 -9 " >>> OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.bz2" >>> ;; >>> ("gzip") >>> COMP_CMD=" | gzip -c -9 " >>> OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.gz" >>> ;; >>> ("") >>> COMP_CMD="" >>> ;; >>> (*) >>> exit 1 >>> ;; >>> esac >>> >>> CMD="${CMD} ${COMP_CMD} > ${OUTFILE}" >>> exit $? >>> >>> >>> Christopher Friedt wrote: >>>> This is a bit of a tricky thing to work around, but i would >>>> basically like to include shell stream operators in a variable that >>>> will eventually be a command string. >>>> >>>> Particularly, I would like to make compression selectable in a >>>> script through a variable which contains the pipe operator '|' and >>>> then run a command (stored also as a variable) which would include a >>>> redirect on stdout '>' >>>> >>>> Does anyone know why something like this wouldn't work (at least in >>>> bash) ? >>>> >>>> My output is: >>>> cat: invalid option -- 9 >>>> Try `cat --help' for more information. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions are very welcome ;-) >>>> >>>> ~/Chris >>>> >>>> A simple test script is here: >>>> >>>> #!/bin/sh >>>> >>>> echo 'Hello World!' > test.txt >>>> CMD="cat test.txt" >>>> OUTFILE="test2.txt" >>>> >>>> # COMP can be one of '', 'bzip2', 'gzip' >>>> COMP="bzip2" >>>> COMP_CMD="" >>>> case "$COMP" in >>>> ("bzip2") >>>> COMP_CMD=" | bzip -9 " >>>> OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.bz2" >>>> ;; >>>> ("gzip") >>>> COMP_CMD=" | gzip -c -9 " >>>> OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.gz" >>>> ;; >>>> ("") >>>> COMP_CMD="" >>>> ;; >>>> (*) >>>> exit 1 >>>> ;; >>>> esac >>>> >>>> CMD="${CMD} ${COMP_CMD} > ${OUTFILE}" >>>> exit $? >>>> -- >>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 13:07:36 2007 From: lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:07:36 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Performance Question Message-ID: <380-2200773111373696@M2W020.mail2web.com> >On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 03:36:25PM -0400, lada at agawa.com wrote: >> I migrated my Subversion server from a 800Mhz Pentium 3 with 512 MB of >> memory to a 3GHz Pentium 4 with 2 GB of memory. They both run Ubuntu 6.06 >> LTS Linux (2.6.15-26-386 kernel). >> The P4 machine seems to be rather slow. Here is truncated output from top: >> >> top - 15:19:19 up 5 days, 22:43, 1 user, load average: 0.33, 0.09, 0.03 >> Tasks: 56 total, 1 running, 55 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie >> Cpu(s): 4.2% us, 0.0% sy, 0.0% ni, 95.8% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si >> Mem: 2067576k total, 1474208k used, 593368k free, 213872k buffers >> Swap: 1951800k total, 18904k used, 1932896k free, 1167500k cached >> >> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND >> >> 15543 lsvatos 17 0 2196 1088 856 R 3.8 0.1 0:00.53 top >> >> And here from the P3 box: >> >> top - 15:17:07 up 19 days, 5:09, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 >> Tasks: 51 total, 1 running, 50 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie >> Cpu(s): 0.0% us, 0.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 99.7% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si >> Mem: 515284k total, 418848k used, 96436k free, 72740k buffers >> Swap: 979832k total, 18904k used, 960928k free, 262132k cached >> >> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND >> >> 9848 lsvatos 16 0 2192 1076 856 R 0.3 0.2 0:00.16 top >> >> How is it possible for the same program to consume 10 times the CPU time? >> I would appreciate any suggestions. > >Not having DMA enabled for disk access can cause quite a severe cpu hit. > >What does dmesg say on both? [17179592.676000] scsi1 : ata_piix [17179592.676000] Vendor: ATA Model: ST380013AS Rev: 3.05 [17179592.676000] Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05 [17179592.680000] Vendor: ATA Model: ST380013AS Rev: 3.05 [17179592.680000] Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05 [17179593.160000] Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods [17179593.376000] SCSI device sda: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB) [17179593.376000] SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back [17179593.456000] SCSI device sda: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB) [17179593.456000] SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back [17179593.456000] sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 [17179593.664000] sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sda [17179593.664000] SCSI device sdb: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB) [17179593.664000] SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write back [17179593.744000] SCSI device sdb: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB) [17179593.744000] SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write back [17179593.744000] sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 >-- >Len Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 13:08:04 2007 From: lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:08:04 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Performance Question Message-ID: <380-2200773111384177@M2W035.mail2web.com> >On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 03:36:25PM -0400, lada at agawa.com wrote: >> I migrated my Subversion server from a 800Mhz Pentium 3 with 512 MB of >> memory to a 3GHz Pentium 4 with 2 GB of memory. They both run Ubuntu 6.06 >> LTS Linux (2.6.15-26-386 kernel). >> The P4 machine seems to be rather slow. Here is truncated output from top: >> >> top - 15:19:19 up 5 days, 22:43, 1 user, load average: 0.33, 0.09, 0.03 >> Tasks: 56 total, 1 running, 55 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie >> Cpu(s): 4.2% us, 0.0% sy, 0.0% ni, 95.8% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si >> Mem: 2067576k total, 1474208k used, 593368k free, 213872k buffers >> Swap: 1951800k total, 18904k used, 1932896k free, 1167500k cached >> >> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND >> >> 15543 lsvatos 17 0 2196 1088 856 R 3.8 0.1 0:00.53 top >> >> And here from the P3 box: >> >> top - 15:17:07 up 19 days, 5:09, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 >> Tasks: 51 total, 1 running, 50 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie >> Cpu(s): 0.0% us, 0.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 99.7% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si >> Mem: 515284k total, 418848k used, 96436k free, 72740k buffers >> Swap: 979832k total, 18904k used, 960928k free, 262132k cached >> >> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND >> >> 9848 lsvatos 16 0 2192 1076 856 R 0.3 0.2 0:00.16 top >> >> How is it possible for the same program to consume 10 times the CPU time? >> I would appreciate any suggestions. > >Not having DMA enabled for disk access can cause quite a severe cpu hit. > >What does dmesg say on both? [17179592.676000] scsi1 : ata_piix [17179592.676000] Vendor: ATA Model: ST380013AS Rev: 3.05 [17179592.676000] Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05 [17179592.680000] Vendor: ATA Model: ST380013AS Rev: 3.05 [17179592.680000] Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05 [17179593.160000] Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods [17179593.376000] SCSI device sda: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB) [17179593.376000] SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back [17179593.456000] SCSI device sda: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB) [17179593.456000] SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back [17179593.456000] sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 [17179593.664000] sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sda [17179593.664000] SCSI device sdb: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB) [17179593.664000] SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write back [17179593.744000] SCSI device sdb: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB) [17179593.744000] SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write back [17179593.744000] sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 >-- >Len Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 13:20:13 2007 From: lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:20:13 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Performance Question Message-ID: <380-220077311132013919@M2W039.mail2web.com> > You can also check DMA on the drive using > > hdparm -d /dev/hda (substitute you drive as appropriate, doesn't apply > to SCSI/SATA/USB drives) There are two SCSI drives in the P4 box. Here are timing results: lsvatos at grinder:~$ sudo hdparm -t /dev/sda /dev/sda: Timing buffered disk reads: 120 MB in 3.08 seconds = 38.96 MB/sec lsvatos at grinder:~$ sudo hdparm -T /dev/sda /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 2760 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1379.91 MB/sec > > On 7/10/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 03:36:25PM -0400, lada at agawa.com wrote: > > > I migrated my Subversion server from a 800Mhz Pentium 3 with 512 MB of > > > memory to a 3GHz Pentium 4 with 2 GB of memory. They both run Ubuntu 6.06 > > > LTS Linux (2.6.15-26-386 kernel). > > > The P4 machine seems to be rather slow. Here is truncated output from top: > > > > > > top - 15:19:19 up 5 days, 22:43, 1 user, load average: 0.33, 0.09, 0.03 > > > Tasks: 56 total, 1 running, 55 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > > > Cpu(s): 4.2% us, 0.0% sy, 0.0% ni, 95.8% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si > > > Mem: 2067576k total, 1474208k used, 593368k free, 213872k buffers > > > Swap: 1951800k total, 18904k used, 1932896k free, 1167500k cached > > > > > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND > > > > > > 15543 lsvatos 17 0 2196 1088 856 R 3.8 0.1 0:00.53 top > > > > > > And here from the P3 box: > > > > > > top - 15:17:07 up 19 days, 5:09, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > > Tasks: 51 total, 1 running, 50 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > > > Cpu(s): 0.0% us, 0.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 99.7% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si > > > Mem: 515284k total, 418848k used, 96436k free, 72740k buffers > > > Swap: 979832k total, 18904k used, 960928k free, 262132k cached > > > > > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND > > > > > > 9848 lsvatos 16 0 2192 1076 856 R 0.3 0.2 0:00.16 top > > > > > > How is it possible for the same program to consume 10 times the CPU time? > > > I would appreciate any suggestions. > > > > Not having DMA enabled for disk access can cause quite a severe cpu hit. > > > > What does dmesg say on both? > > > > -- > > Len Sorensen > > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 13:52:01 2007 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: input output error In-Reply-To: <136436.77193.qm-R2miST5oPbOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <136436.77193.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <709752.83921.qm@web60122.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, to rule out computer/Linux problem, have you tried plugging the drive to another computer, like a Mac or Windows? Fernando --- hui xu wrote: > > > I tried > > fdisk -l /dev/sda, I got blank output > > with > > file -s /dev/sda /dev/sda, I got > > /dev/sda: file: read failed (Input/output error) > > with > > /sbin/pvdisplay /dev/sda , I got > > ERROR "pv_read(): read" no VAILD physical volum > "/dev/sda" > > > Doese these means my disk is broken so I have to buy > a > new one? > > Thansk! > LOuie > > > > > > > > > > --- Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 11:57:55PM -0400, hui xu > > wrote: > > > Could anybody tell me how to recover the data > from > > my > > > harddisk? My problem is: > > > > > > I have stored all my photoes and software in an > > > harddisk connected by USB to my linux box. I > have > > not > > > used it for half year. recently I try to mount ( > > mount > > > -a /dev/sda /bigfoot) it to my linux box to get > > the > > > data, I got the errors "/dev/sda: Input/output > > error > > > mount: you must specify the filesystem type" > > > > What is the output of these: > > > > fdisk -l /dev/sda > > file -s /dev/sda /dev/sda1 > > > > -- > > Len Sorensen > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > > http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > > below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > --------------------- Fernando Duran http://www.fduran.com Get news delivered with the All new Yahoo! Mail. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. Start today at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 13:59:58 2007 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:59:58 -0400 Subject: borrow my mythtv for a year? & my xbox? Message-ID: <1184162398.21958.92.camel@localhost> hi there, we're going on sabbatical and i'm trying to empty the house; among other things i have a an old dell optiplex with a hauppauge pvr-350 which i guess will break soon when the tv listings are no longer available for free (see longish thread on this). so i can't leave it for the renters, and wondered whether anyone onthe llist would want to try it out for a while, on the condition that you be willing to part with it again when i get back. i also have an xbox -- the original -- not running linux yet, and comes with halo 2. anyone want this on the same terms? act fast, we leave friday. matt -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 14:41:31 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: borrow my mythtv for a year? & my xbox? In-Reply-To: <1184162398.21958.92.camel@localhost> References: <1184162398.21958.92.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <570983.857.qm@web88213.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Matt Price wrote: > hi there, > > we're going on sabbatical and i'm trying to empty > the house; among other > things i have a an old dell optiplex with a > hauppauge pvr-350 which i > guess will break soon when the tv listings are no > longer available for > free (see longish thread on this). so i can't leave > it for the renters, > and wondered whether anyone onthe llist would want > to try it out for a > while, on the condition that you be willing to part > with it again when i > get back. MythTV listings MIGHT continue to be available for free, BUT what is clear is that they will not be available (for free or for a fee) from Zap2it Labs. Bottom line regardless is that between now and September 1st all North American MythTV boxes will need to be upgraded to support a different TV listing service. In other words anyone borrowing the above box should count on doing a software upgrade in the near future... > i also have an xbox -- the original -- not running > linux yet, and comes > with halo 2. anyone want this on the same terms? > > act fast, we leave friday. > matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 16:15:57 2007 From: interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Interlug Lists) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:15:57 -0400 Subject: VMware positions in Burlington Message-ID: <408ae1640707110915x542f51d2s6c26911b18d15740@mail.gmail.com> Lots of openings at VMware, and I'm told by their recruiter that they particularly need folks with Linux sysadmin experience. www.vmware.com/company/jobs/openings/ No telecommute positions, though. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 16:40:23 2007 From: smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sheldon Mustard) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:40:23 -0400 Subject: VMware positions in Burlington In-Reply-To: <408ae1640707110915x542f51d2s6c26911b18d15740-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <408ae1640707110915x542f51d2s6c26911b18d15740@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <22e435080707110940t6373224fhbceda985d40b5057@mail.gmail.com> On 7/11/07, Interlug Lists wrote: > Lots of openings at VMware, and I'm told by their recruiter that they > particularly need folks with Linux sysadmin experience. I would expect this is the case considering that their esx product is basically a rebranded redhat and a bunch of their software bolted into it. SJM -- Sheldon Mustard smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org "There will be no order, only chaos." - Pi (1998) -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 17:35:18 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:35:18 -0400 Subject: ntp help Message-ID: <20070711173518.GD30202@watson-wilson.ca> I have configured some NTP servers to synchronise with some public, stratum 2, NTP servers. Now I'm trying to configure a client to synchronise with my new NTP servers. The test client reports that it is more accurate than the new servers: [root at tor-lx-config config]# ntpq -pn remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ============================================================================== 192.168.71.12 .INIT. 16 u - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 4000.00 192.168.71.42 .INIT. 16 u - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 4000.00 192.168.71.43 .INIT. 16 u - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 4000.00 *127.127.1.0 LOCAL(0) 10 l 50 64 377 0.000 0.000 0.002 Why are the new servers reported at stratum 16? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 3 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 17:35:26 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:35:26 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Performance Question In-Reply-To: <380-220077311132013919-1ljANA5RiA6Z8YYJsr7BYUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <380-220077311132013919@M2W039.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <20070711173526.GM31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 09:20:13AM -0400, lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > There are two SCSI drives in the P4 box. Here are timing results: > > lsvatos at grinder:~$ sudo hdparm -t /dev/sda > > /dev/sda: > Timing buffered disk reads: 120 MB in 3.08 seconds = 38.96 MB/sec > lsvatos at grinder:~$ sudo hdparm -T /dev/sda > > /dev/sda: > Timing cached reads: 2760 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1379.91 MB/sec Speed looks fine. DMA must be on. And they are not scsi disks, they just use the libata interface which looks just like scsi, usb, firewire, and most other disk devices on linux. Not sure why the P4 would seem slower or under higher load. Of course if the code you run is very branch heavy, in a very bad case it is possible the 800MHz P3 could be faster than your 3GHz P4. I know a 2GHz Athlon 64 is 5 times faster than a 2.8GHz P4 at running bzip2 compression. I suspect an 800MHz P3 might actually be close to the speed of a 3GHz P4 running bzip2. Long pipelines are that bad at some types of code since compression is by definition not predicatable to the branch predictor continuously gets it wrong. If it was predictable, then it should be possible to compress it more, hence it must not be predictable. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 17:37:20 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:37:20 -0400 Subject: input output error In-Reply-To: <136436.77193.qm-R2miST5oPbOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20070710134711.GG31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <136436.77193.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070711173720.GN31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 09:47:55PM -0400, hui xu wrote: > I tried > > fdisk -l /dev/sda, I got blank output > > with > > file -s /dev/sda /dev/sda, I got > > /dev/sda: file: read failed (Input/output error) > > with > > /sbin/pvdisplay /dev/sda , I got > > ERROR "pv_read(): read" no VAILD physical volum > "/dev/sda" > > > Doese these means my disk is broken so I have to buy a > new one? Sounds like either a disk failure, or an enclosure failure, or even a USB cable failure. Certainly worth trying to disk without the USB enclosure to see if you can read your data that way (A new enclosure is rather cheap if that is what broke, and a cable even cheaper). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 17:38:37 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:38:37 -0400 Subject: Compiling k3b in Slackware In-Reply-To: <62325.208.72.124.93.1184124894.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0lrcv4dJfSQg@public.gmane.org> References: <62325.208.72.124.93.1184124894.squirrel@webmail.vex.net> Message-ID: <20070711173837.GO31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 11:34:54PM -0400, sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org wrote: > I have Slack 11 installed, and found that, after installing the works, k3b > wasn't there. I downloaded a source tarball from Sourceforge, and > compiled it. > > ./configure didn't seem to report any errors, but doing a "make" failed. > > Anyone get k3b to compile under Slack 11? What did you do ? Probably need all the QT, and KDE and various other development header files and such. Make sure all the appropriate packages for that are installed. Usually configure should complain if essential things are missing. Could you post what make said when it failed? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 17:41:58 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:41:58 -0400 Subject: ntp help In-Reply-To: <20070711173518.GD30202-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070711173518.GD30202@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20070711174158.GP31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 01:35:18PM -0400, Neil Watson wrote: > I have configured some NTP servers to synchronise with some public, stratum > 2, > NTP servers. Now I'm trying to configure a client to synchronise with my new > NTP servers. The test client reports that it is more accurate than the new > servers: > > [root at tor-lx-config config]# ntpq -pn > remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset > jitter > ============================================================================== > 192.168.71.12 .INIT. 16 u - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 > 4000.00 > 192.168.71.42 .INIT. 16 u - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 > 4000.00 > 192.168.71.43 .INIT. 16 u - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 > 4000.00 > *127.127.1.0 LOCAL(0) 10 l 50 64 377 0.000 0.000 > 0.002 > > Why are the new servers reported at stratum 16? I think .INIT. means it hasn't run long enough to get a feel for the time from that server. Or perhaps it isn't even able to talk to that server. Firewall issues perhaps? It normally ends up looking like this: # ntpq -pn remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ============================================================================== *85.214.46.68 131.188.3.221 2 u 1 64 377 120.248 -430.72 68.783 127.127.1.0 LOCAL(0) 10 l 61 64 377 0.000 0.000 0.004 What does your config look like? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 17:45:31 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:45:31 -0400 Subject: VMware positions in Burlington In-Reply-To: <408ae1640707110915x542f51d2s6c26911b18d15740-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <408ae1640707110915x542f51d2s6c26911b18d15740@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4695173B.8050905@ve3syb.ca> Interlug Lists wrote: > Lots of openings at VMware, and I'm told by their recruiter that they > particularly need folks with Linux sysadmin experience. Interesting to note that one of the job openings at Burlington is Recruiter (Human Resources department). :-) -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 17:49:56 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:49:56 -0400 Subject: ntp help In-Reply-To: <20070711174158.GP31194-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070711173518.GD30202@watson-wilson.ca> <20070711174158.GP31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070711174956.GE30202@watson-wilson.ca> On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 01:41:58PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >I think .INIT. means it hasn't run long enough to get a feel for the >time from that server. Or perhaps it isn't even able to talk to that >server. Firewall issues perhaps? The firewall should be OK. The command ntpdate was successful. >What does your config look like? ######################### Client: ######################### restrict default ignore restrict 127.0.0.1 server torunxntp01.example.com server torunxntp02.example.com server torunxntp03.example.com server 127.127.1.0 # local clock fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10 driftfile /var/lib/ntp/drift broadcastdelay 0.008 keys /etc/ntp/keys ######################### Server: ######################### trict default nomodify notrap noquery restrict 127.0.0.1 server time.nrc.ca server chime.utoronto.ca server time.chu.nrc.ca server tock.utoronto.ca server tick.utoronto.ca server 206.186.255.223 server 206.186.255.228 server 127.127.1.0 # local clock fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10 driftfile /var/lib/ntp/drift broadcastdelay 0.008 keys /etc/ntp/keys -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 3 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 18:02:43 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:02:43 -0400 Subject: sh question: commands as variables / stream operators in a variable In-Reply-To: <4694CD4C.6000108-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <4694C017.5030801@visible-assets.com> <4694C1B7.9060202@visible-assets.com> <4694C26C.7040500@visible-assets.com> <4694C30C.6020903@visible-assets.com> <4694CD4C.6000108@visible-assets.com> Message-ID: <20070711180243.GQ31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 02:30:04PM +0200, Christopher Friedt wrote: > ah got it ;-) > > #!/bin/sh > > echo 'Hello World!' > test.txt > CMD="cat test.txt" > OUTFILE="test2.txt" > > # COMP can be one of '', 'bzip2', 'gzip' > COMP="bzip2" > COMP_CMD="" > case "$COMP" in > ("bzip2") > COMP_CMD="| bzip2 -9" > OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.bz2" > ;; > ("gzip") > COMP_CMD="| gzip -c -9" > OUTFILE="${OUTFILE}.gz" > ;; > ("") > COMP_CMD="" > ;; > (*) > exit 1 > ;; > esac > > CMD="${CMD} ${COMP_CMD} > ${OUTFILE}" > ${SHELL} -c "${CMD}" > exit $? Have about: eval ${CMD} -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 18:02:48 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:02:48 -0400 Subject: Suggestions needed; mail server suggestions In-Reply-To: <469240CA.7010000-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <469240CA.7010000@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <46951B48.3090207@ve3syb.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > Thing is though, the number of email addresses and domains I host has > been growing (and with luck, will continue to grow). My issue is that I > don't like needing to have a shell account for each email address. This > is insecure to a degree and makes backup and recovery more difficult. > > So I want to move to a SQL-based mail server. I want to let users use > their email address as their POP3 username, for simplicity. Although I know some people don't like it, I would suggest its worth looking at Qmail. You can set up quite a nice mail system using it and the add-on packages at http://www.inter7.net/. With the addition of vacation, ezmlm-idx, vqadmin, qmailadmin, and sqwebmail you will have a mail system that will support multiple domains, mailing lists, can be administered via a web browser, and allow users to access their e-mail via a web browser, and the users don't need shell accounts. Some years ago I had set up a system using Qmail and the add-ons from Inter7.net that handled mail (and web sites) for 7 different domains off of one machine. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 18:05:28 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:05:28 -0400 Subject: ntp help In-Reply-To: <20070711174956.GE30202-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070711173518.GD30202@watson-wilson.ca> <20070711174158.GP31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070711174956.GE30202@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20070711180528.GR31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 01:49:56PM -0400, Neil Watson wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 01:41:58PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >I think .INIT. means it hasn't run long enough to get a feel for the > >time from that server. Or perhaps it isn't even able to talk to that > >server. Firewall issues perhaps? > > The firewall should be OK. The command ntpdate was successful. > > >What does your config look like? > > ######################### > Client: > ######################### > restrict default ignore > > restrict 127.0.0.1 > > > server torunxntp01.example.com > server torunxntp02.example.com > server torunxntp03.example.com > > server 127.127.1.0 # local clock > fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10 > > driftfile /var/lib/ntp/drift > broadcastdelay 0.008 > > keys /etc/ntp/keys > > ######################### > Server: > ######################### > trict default nomodify notrap noquery > > restrict 127.0.0.1 > > server time.nrc.ca > server chime.utoronto.ca > server time.chu.nrc.ca > server tock.utoronto.ca > server tick.utoronto.ca > server 206.186.255.223 > server 206.186.255.228 > > server 127.127.1.0 # local clock > fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10 > > driftfile /var/lib/ntp/drift > broadcastdelay 0.008 > > keys /etc/ntp/keys So what does the ntp status you did before look like on the server and on the client? Certainly if the server hasn't locked to an external server yet, then it will have a worse stratum than the client itself and the client will use its own time instead. I have no idea what the keys thing does in ntp. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 18:26:01 2007 From: lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:26:01 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Performance Question Message-ID: <380-22007731118261647@M2W039.mail2web.com> >Speed looks fine. DMA must be on. And they are not scsi disks, they >just use the libata interface which looks just like scsi, usb, firewire, >and most other disk devices on linux. > >Not sure why the P4 would seem slower or under higher load. > >Of course if the code you run is very branch heavy, in a very bad case >it is possible the 800MHz P3 could be faster than your 3GHz P4. I know >a 2GHz Athlon 64 is 5 times faster than a 2.8GHz P4 at running bzip2 >compression. I suspect an 800MHz P3 might actually be close to the >speed of a 3GHz P4 running bzip2. Long pipelines are that bad at some >types of code since compression is by definition not predicatable to the >branch predictor continuously gets it wrong. If it was predictable, >then it should be possible to compress it more, hence it must not be >predictable. > >-- >Len Sorensen The disk speed never concerned me. What I find strange is that on completely idle P4 machine top reports using 3% of CPU time itself. On idle P3 machime top comsumes 0.3% of CPU time. I suspected some motherboard misconfiguration since the P4 box was slow during the Ubuntu installation (I had to wait ~30s when proceeding to each next installation screen). Both L1 and L2 caches are enabled. What is a bit suspicious is lshw reporting about the motherboard: capabilities: isa pci pnp apm upgrade shadowing escd cdboot bootselect socketedrom edd int13floppy1200 int13floppy720 int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int9keyboard int14serial int17printer int10video acpi usb agp ls120boot zipboot biosbootspecif ication The first item is isa - there are no ISA slots on the board. However, later in the lshw report: *-isa UNCLAIMED description: ISA bridge product: 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface Bridge vendor: Intel Corporation physical id: 1f bus info: pci at 00:1f.0 version: 02 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: isa bus_master The P3 box lshw report does not list isa in the board capabilities. That is the only difference I can see. Ladislav Svatos -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From torontonui-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 18:03:23 2007 From: torontonui-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Rick T) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OT]: Novell's Intentions (Was: Misc. bits.) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <995226.73646.qm@web59208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Novell has a long history of doing bizarre things with its technology and to its own Channel Partners and customers. Novell is a public company thus making it open to manipulation by persons for their own personal gain with little regard how it affects users of its products. Simply learn 'what' they are and use them in your technology mix and/or business accordingly. RickT http://www.TorontoNUI.ca Christopher Browne wrote: On 7/10/07, Scott Elcomb wrote: > Is it just me, or does Novell look like it's trying to play both sides > of the fence? > > On 7/10/07, Colin McGregor wrote: > > The fact that the SAMBA people have decided to convert > > to GPL 3 is in my books a great thing. This will make > > life rough for Novell and/or Microsoft, as either > > Novell has to either fork a piece of software that is > > key to their Microsoft compatibility efforts or they > > have to drag Microsoft kicking and screaming (which > > they have already started doing) into GPL 3. > > I'd like to think that Novell has been acting, secretly, like a > double-agent for FOSS. Whether that's true or not probably depends on > which way the wind is blowing. I don't know what side they're on. Actually, I do; they're on their own side. Or their investors'. Or management's side. Or some combination thereof. I'm quite sure they're not on "our" side, for a pretty liberal set of possible interpretations of what "our" might mean... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 18:30:35 2007 From: jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (John Sellens) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Suggestions needed; mail server suggestions Message-ID: <200707111830.l6BIUZL3047472@localhost.generalconcepts.com> | So I want to move to a SQL-based mail server. I want to let users use | their email address as their POP3 username, for simplicity. I faced the same question a couple years back, and I decided on - postfix - postfixadmin (i.e. domain owners manage their own emails) - mysql backend - courier imap for POP3 and IMAP - pop-before-smtp - mail stored in Maildir - amavisd fronting spamassassin and clamav I've since added postgrey for greylisting. and mailman for mailing lists. I was always a sendmail kind-of-guy, but I couldn't find a user-management front end at the time that suited me. I looked at qmail, but decided it wasn't for me. The postfix configuration still seems to confuse me a bit - the recipes on the net seem to be "do it this way" with various ritual sacrifices, rather than "here's how it works". Of course, I'm too cheap (or too stupid) to have bought the Postfix book, so it's my own fault if I'm a bit confused. Works well for me, I'm happy - not really high volume, about 140 domains currently, and mailgraph tells me: - sent average 3 msgs/min, peak 135 msgs/min - received average 6 msgs/min, peak 117 msgs/min - rejected/spam/virus/bounced average 19.5 msgs/min, peak 350 msgs/min or about 40K msgs/day, or about 600K/month. I happen to be doing this on FreeBSD, though that shouldn't make much difference. Hope that helps - cheers! John -- John Sellens SYONEX - Systems, Operations, Networks, Expertise jsellens-dzygobQwvTvQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Suite 211 http://www.syonex.com 178 Main Street tel 905-470-9649 fax 905-470-9649 Unionville ON L3R 2G9 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 18:31:45 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:31:45 -0400 Subject: input output error In-Reply-To: <20070711173720.GN31194-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070710134711.GG31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <136436.77193.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070711173720.GN31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1184178705.25342.168.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 13:37 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Sounds like either a disk failure, or an enclosure failure, or even a > USB cable failure. Certainly worth trying to disk without the USB > enclosure to see if you can read your data that way (A new enclosure is > rather cheap if that is what broke, and a cable even cheaper). It could also be as simple as the disk is not /dev/sda. I've seen cases where unplugging and replugging gets /dev/sdb. Check the output of the 'dmesg' command for references to your device. Try unplugging the device, run dmesg again to see the result, plug it back in and check dmesg again. this will allow you to see the sequence of events more clearly. Then try and mount the device you see being added and run dmesg again. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux conference for users by users. http://onlinux.ca -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 x5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fax: 519-883-8533 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 19:44:40 2007 From: cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Charly Baker) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:44:40 -0400 Subject: Microsoft and linux in China Message-ID: <200707111544.40579.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2007/07/10/microsoft_china/index.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 20:03:08 2007 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:03:08 -0400 Subject: Microsoft and linux in China In-Reply-To: <200707111544.40579.cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <200707111544.40579.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> Message-ID: <92ee967a0707111303k66cb92abk9f6c19ff7e0be838@mail.gmail.com> On 7/11/07, Charly Baker wrote: > http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2007/07/10/microsoft_china/index.html Wow... where are the laws? "It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's not," Gates says. How is this not selling below cost to undercut competition? I.e. dumping? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumping_(pricing_policy) I'm surprised he admits it. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 20:10:59 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:10:59 -0400 Subject: Linux & Supercomputers Message-ID: <46953953.3040002@rogers.com> http://www.itjungle.com/tlb/tlb071007-story02.html -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 20:24:20 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:24:20 -0400 Subject: Microsoft and linux in China In-Reply-To: <200707111544.40579.cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <200707111544.40579.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> Message-ID: <46950434.32562.1967F6@sciguy.vex.net> > http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2007/07/10/microsoft_china/index.html I like the part where Gates is forced to say that "Piracy isn't so bad after all". If this is an actual quote, this has got to make Gates the lowest life form besides the amoeba. He stands for no higher principle than the Dollar Almighty. However, it can also mean that he is hinting that he could be going open source at some point. That sounds impossible, but that above quote contradicts years of Microsoft leading the charge against piracy, and the Genuine Advantage program. But the quote also sounds utterly improbable. Would he keep market share by going open source, or going the way of RedHat and others, with a retail production version and a downloadable freebie for everyone else? Or perhaps, being the richest man in the world, maybe he thinks he can have it both ways (piracy OK in China; not OK elsewhere). That would not be a first for powerful public figures. Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 20:27:23 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:27:23 -0400 Subject: Microsoft and linux in China In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0707111303k66cb92abk9f6c19ff7e0be838-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200707111544.40579.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> <92ee967a0707111303k66cb92abk9f6c19ff7e0be838@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1184185643.25342.199.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 16:03 -0400, Mike Kallies wrote: > I'm surprised he admits it. I heard that he admitted it years ago. It was something like "If they are going to pirate software I would rather have them pirate mine." -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux conference for users by users. http://onlinux.ca -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 x5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fax: 519-883-8533 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 20:54:56 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:54:56 -0400 Subject: Microsoft and linux in China In-Reply-To: <46950434.32562.1967F6-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <200707111544.40579.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> <46950434.32562.1967F6@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <1184187296.25342.223.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 16:24 -0400, Paul King wrote: > I like the part where Gates is forced to say that "Piracy isn't so bad after > all". If this is an actual quote, this has got to make Gates the lowest life > form besides the amoeba. He stands for no higher principle than the Dollar > Almighty. It's dumping like Mike says. Undercut a market until they rely on you, then raise the price. It's exactly the Almighty Dollar at work. > However, it can also mean that he is hinting that he could be going open source > at some point. That sounds impossible, but that above quote contradicts years > of Microsoft leading the charge against piracy, and the Genuine Advantage > program. But the quote also sounds utterly improbable. Would he keep market > share by going open source, or going the way of RedHat and others, with a > retail production version and a downloadable freebie for everyone else? Who would pay for it if there was a free version? Most of the Windows market would dry up instantly. The free version would have to suck to badly that system builders won't put it on. They could keep the corporate revenue but most PCs are in homes and small businesses aren't they? They do have the Windows Vista Starter. I think it restricts user to one running application at a time, etc. It was designed for third world countries. Also my understanding is that Microsoft makes money on the Windows and Office. Just about every other software, services or hardware division doesn't make much or loses money. It would be hard to believe that a company would voluntarily give up half of their big profit centres. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux conference for users by users. http://onlinux.ca -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 x5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fax: 519-883-8533 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 20:59:28 2007 From: david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (David Payne) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:59:28 -0400 Subject: Microsoft and linux in China In-Reply-To: <46950434.32562.1967F6-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <200707111544.40579.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> <46950434.32562.1967F6@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <20070711205927.GB18637@oldeddie.dapayne.no-ip.org> On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 04:24:20PM -0400, Paul King wrote: > > http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2007/07/10/microsoft_china/index.html > > I like the part where Gates is forced to say that "Piracy isn't so bad after > all". If this is an actual quote, this has got to make Gates the lowest life > form besides the amoeba. He stands for no higher principle than the Dollar > Almighty. > > However, it can also mean that he is hinting that he could be going open source > at some point. That sounds impossible, but that above quote contradicts years > of Microsoft leading the charge against piracy, and the Genuine Advantage > program. But the quote also sounds utterly improbable. Would he keep market > share by going open source, or going the way of RedHat and others, with a > retail production version and a downloadable freebie for everyone else? > > Or perhaps, being the richest man in the world, maybe he thinks he can have it > both ways (piracy OK in China; not OK elsewhere). That would not be a first for > powerful public figures. > > Paul King > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists Hi, I think Microsoft would rather people pirate their software than use Linux because in the long run it will help him maintain his market share. If more people start getting experience with and start liking other operating systems it will seem like a more viable option for business to use. I don't think Windows would ever be open source. You have to remember, it's not that Microsoft supports piracy of there software. They would much rather people pay for there licence. But if they are not going to pay for a Microsoft licence they would much rather them pirate Windows than use Linux. David Payne -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 21:07:53 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:07:53 -0700 Subject: VMware positions in Burlington In-Reply-To: <408ae1640707110915x542f51d2s6c26911b18d15740-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <408ae1640707110915x542f51d2s6c26911b18d15740@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0707111407v56a9bff9s3cee7e8bd527e5a9@mail.gmail.com> I quite like the fact that people here are active in posting linux-related positions. It is especially useful to me since I'm looking at moving to the Toronto area but I'm not entirely familiar with the local businesses or what shops might need Linux sysadmins or other related skills. Thanks everyone! On 7/11/07, Interlug Lists wrote: > Lots of openings at VMware, and I'm told by their recruiter that they > particularly need folks with Linux sysadmin experience. > > www.vmware.com/company/jobs/openings/ > > No telecommute positions, though. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 21:40:08 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:40:08 +0000 Subject: Microsoft and linux in China In-Reply-To: <46950434.32562.1967F6-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <200707111544.40579.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> <46950434.32562.1967F6@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: On 7/11/07, Paul King wrote: > > http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2007/07/10/microsoft_china/index.html > > I like the part where Gates is forced to say that "Piracy isn't so bad after > all". If this is an actual quote, this has got to make Gates the lowest life > form besides the amoeba. He stands for no higher principle than the Dollar > Almighty. What seems new about this? When he went to college, it wasn't to study computing, it was to study law. The grand successes at Microsoft have never been technological ones - they have all been legal successes. I'm not aware of a single technology that Microsoft initiated that has been of more importance than "Microsoft Bob" (which *was* a success, from the point of view that it helped Bill find a wife, which is certainly more a legal matter than a technical one...). Their really successful products have largely been ones they bought from someone else. > Or perhaps, being the richest man in the world, maybe he thinks he can have it > both ways (piracy OK in China; not OK elsewhere). That would not be a first for > powerful public figures. No, the point has been visible for decades. He'd rather that people pirate Word, and maybe buy some manuals, now, than that they use competitors' systems. If they get hooked on using his stuff, then they may *eventually* pay him something for it. And if they're NOT using someone else's stuff, they're not paying someone else, they're not looking for support for that "something else" and they're not, in any fashion, dependent on a non-Microsoft product. If you're "pirating" a Microsoft product, you *ARE* dependent on Microsoft, even if that's not in all the ways that can make Microsoft money. By using Microsoft software, you're giving Microsoft some power, namely you have entrusted your computer hardware and whatever functionality you are using to their software. Whether they were paid for it does not change this. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 23:35:03 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:35:03 -0400 Subject: Microsoft and linux in China In-Reply-To: <1184187296.25342.223.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <200707111544.40579.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> <46950434.32562.1967F6@sciguy.vex.net> <1184187296.25342.223.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <46956927.5020709@ve3syb.ca> John Van Ostrand wrote: > They do have the Windows Vista Starter. I think it restricts user to one > running application at a time, etc. It was designed for third world > countries. Only one app at a time? What a way to cripple an OS and force people to pay more money for a useful version of a product. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 23:47:00 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (sy1234) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:47:00 -0400 Subject: unable to mount a partition a second time In-Reply-To: <1e55af990706281628j4af1d1a5la3c33cbb4356aad4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990706281628j4af1d1a5la3c33cbb4356aad4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46956BF4.80502@gmail.com> Sy Ali said the following on 06/28/2007 07:28 PM: > There seems to be some default mount setting which makes it impossible > for me to mount a partition a second time .. when that partition was > already auto-mounted because of a setting in fstab. > > But checking fstab shows it as using default settings. > > On first boot, I cannot simply mount that partition a second time. > > But if I unmount it and then mount it once, and then twice.. it works! > > Does anyone know what's going on here? > Sortof self-solved. Well, apparently I had to specify the filesystem when using mount. Even though cfdisk correctly reported ext3 as the filesystem for the partitions involved, I had to mount -t ext2 some of the partitions. BUT, other partitions would themselves decide to puke when mounted as ext2 so those had to instead be mounted as ext3. Unsettling. I would appreciate sagely advice as to what's going on here.. this is odd. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vgs-XzQKRVe1yT0V+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 11 23:58:41 2007 From: vgs-XzQKRVe1yT0V+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org (VGS) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:58:41 -0400 Subject: Suggestions needed; mail server suggestions In-Reply-To: <46951B48.3090207-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <469240CA.7010000@alteeve.com> <46951B48.3090207@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <46956EB1.3090204@videotron.ca> Please take a look at courier too(courier-mta.org). It has a webmail package and email address is used to login. Maildir format and ldap are other advantages. I found it to be very scalable and stable. Regards, Shinoj. > Madison Kelly wrote: > >> Thing is though, the number of email addresses and domains I host >> has been growing (and with luck, will continue to grow). My issue is >> that I don't like needing to have a shell account for each email >> address. This is insecure to a degree and makes backup and recovery >> more difficult. >> >> So I want to move to a SQL-based mail server. I want to let users >> use their email address as their POP3 username, for simplicity. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 01:22:09 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:22:09 -0400 Subject: Microsoft and linux in China In-Reply-To: <20070711205927.GB18637-diJnEIW3jYQzozZyMlLJRCm24SjEr8MtHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org> References: <200707111544.40579.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> <46950434.32562.1967F6@sciguy.vex.net> <20070711205927.GB18637@oldeddie.dapayne.no-ip.org> Message-ID: <20070711212209.6abbd745@node1.freeyourmachine.org> David Payne left a post-it on the fridge: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 04:24:20PM -0400, Paul King wrote: > > > http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2007/07/10/microsoft_china/index.html > > > > I like the part where Gates is forced to say that "Piracy isn't so bad > > after all". If this is an actual quote, this has got to make Gates the > > lowest life form besides the amoeba. He stands for no higher principle than > > the Dollar Almighty. > > > > However, it can also mean that he is hinting that he could be going open > > source at some point. That sounds impossible, but that above quote > > contradicts years of Microsoft leading the charge against piracy, and the > > Genuine Advantage program. But the quote also sounds utterly improbable. > > Would he keep market share by going open source, or going the way of RedHat > > and others, with a retail production version and a downloadable freebie for > > everyone else? > > > > Or perhaps, being the richest man in the world, maybe he thinks he can have > > it both ways (piracy OK in China; not OK elsewhere). That would not be a > > first for powerful public figures. > > > > Paul King > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > Hi, > > I think Microsoft would rather people pirate their software > than use Linux because in the long run it will help him > maintain his market share. There's no 'think' about it. Haven't we all, in one capacity or another, seen this with our own eyes? Of any of my stints as a 'Windows Professional' (I still chuckle when I hear that...), only one saw me consistently dealing with Windows software that was properly licensed, and then only because I was not dealing directly with the clients, I was setting up their classrooms. Even then, any and/or all times I would interact with the students taking courses in Windows software and OS's, nearly all of them would openly discuss using unlicensed software, and often exhibited that on their own laptops. It's common knowledge, from what I've seen and heard, that MS obtained its market dominance from the beginning in large part due to the rampant unlicensed copying of its software (of course tricky dealings and dumbass decisions by competitors helped too). > If more people start getting experience with and start liking other > operating systems it will seem like a more viable option for business to use. What's that smartass response with 'Sherlock' in it? ;-) > I don't think Windows would ever be open source. Who would want that? Who would even want to see it, let alone use it? It needs to be completely rewritten from the ground up anyway, and then they would just be reinventing the wheel. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: Stay away from our women. You got metal fever, baby, metal fever! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 01:38:01 2007 From: cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Charles philip Chan) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:38:01 -0400 Subject: input output error In-Reply-To: <1184178705.25342.168.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> (John Van Ostrand's message of "Wed\, 11 Jul 2007 14\:31\:45 -0400") References: <20070710134711.GG31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <136436.77193.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070711173720.GN31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1184178705.25342.168.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <87ir8qcsg6.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> John Van Ostrand writes: > It could also be as simple as the disk is not /dev/sda. I've seen > cases where unplugging and replugging gets /dev/sdb. > > Check the output of the 'dmesg' command for references to your device. An easier way (you don't have weed through the dmesg output) is just to plugin the device and do a: fdisk -l Charles -- "If you want to travel around the world and be invited to speak at a lot of different places, just write a Unix operating system." (By Linus Torvalds) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope I could get a job, whatever a teleco job or IT job. ;) Cheers /zuoheng On 7/12/07, Interlug Lists wrote: > Lots of openings at VMware, and I'm told by their recruiter that they > particularly need folks with Linux sysadmin experience. > > www.vmware.com/company/jobs/openings/ > > No telecommute positions, though. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 03:26:15 2007 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:26:15 -0400 Subject: borrow my mythtv for a year? & my xbox? In-Reply-To: <570983.857.qm-iqFe0qLNPGCB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <570983.857.qm@web88213.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1184210775.6739.6.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 10:41 -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > --- Matt Price wrote: > > hi there, > > > > we're going on sabbatical and i'm trying to empty > > the house; among other > > things i have a an old dell optiplex with a > > hauppauge pvr-350 which i > > guess will break soon when the tv listings are no > > longer available for > > free (see longish thread on this). so i can't leave > > it for the renters, > > and wondered whether anyone onthe llist would want > > to try it out for a > > while, on the condition that you be willing to part > > with it again when i > > get back. > > MythTV listings MIGHT continue to be available for > free, BUT what is clear is that they will not be > available (for free or for a fee) from Zap2it Labs. > Bottom line regardless is that between now and > September 1st all North American MythTV boxes will > need to be upgraded to support a different TV listing > service. > > In other words anyone borrowing the above box should > count on doing a software upgrade in the near > future... > fyi everyone -- teddy wrote first, so it's all his -- he's already come and picked them up. thanks for htei nterest! matt > > i also have an xbox -- the original -- not running > > linux yet, and comes > > with halo 2. anyone want this on the same terms? > > > > act fast, we leave friday. > > matt > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 10:48:20 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:48:20 -0400 Subject: Microsoft and linux in China In-Reply-To: <20070711212209.6abbd745-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <200707111544.40579.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> <46950434.32562.1967F6@sciguy.vex.net> <20070711205927.GB18637@oldeddie.dapayne.no-ip.org> <20070711212209.6abbd745@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <469606F4.4040300@rogers.com> JoeHill wrote: > It's common > knowledge, from what I've seen and heard, that MS obtained its market dominance > from the beginning in large part due to the rampant unlicensed copying of its > software (of course tricky dealings and dumbass decisions by competitors helped > too). > > Here's one example of "tricky dealings". http://www.maxframe.com/DR/Info/fullstory/factstat.html -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 10:52:40 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:52:40 -0400 Subject: VMware positions in Burlington In-Reply-To: <573409e0707112000h115898f9kf2e16def68fda8eb-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <408ae1640707110915x542f51d2s6c26911b18d15740@mail.gmail.com> <573409e0707112000h115898f9kf2e16def68fda8eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <469607F8.6090308@rogers.com> zuoheng wrote: > Vmware grows quite fast during the last two years and now IPO > seperately from EMC. EMC is positioning himself as a infrastrucutre > vender, Vmware plays a key part in this strategy. > > For me, it is sad that "no telecommute positions". Teleco is sinking > and sinking, while IT venders such as EMC, HP, Netapp, Cisco have such > a good time. I moved from Teleco to IT one year ago, now I am going to > move to Toronto, Canada. Hope I could get a job, whatever a teleco > job or IT job. ;) I recently moved back from IT to telco. My office is not that far from VMware's both areas are interesting. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 15:09:51 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:09:51 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Performance Question In-Reply-To: <380-22007731118261647-1ljANA5RiA6Z8YYJsr7BYUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <380-22007731118261647@M2W039.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <20070712150951.GS31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 02:26:01PM -0400, lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > The disk speed never concerned me. What I find strange is that on > completely idle P4 machine top reports using 3% of CPU time itself. On idle > P3 machime top comsumes 0.3% of CPU time. I suspected some motherboard > misconfiguration since the P4 box was slow during the Ubuntu installation > (I had to wait ~30s when proceeding to each next installation screen). Both > L1 and L2 caches are enabled. What is a bit suspicious is lshw reporting > about the motherboard: > > capabilities: isa pci pnp apm upgrade shadowing escd cdboot > bootselect socketedrom edd int13floppy1200 int13floppy720 > int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int9keyboard int14serial int17printer > int10video acpi usb agp ls120boot zipboot biosbootspecif > ication > > The first item is isa - there are no ISA slots on the board. However, later > in the lshw report: > > *-isa UNCLAIMED > description: ISA bridge > product: 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface Bridge > vendor: Intel Corporation > physical id: 1f > bus info: pci at 00:1f.0 > version: 02 > width: 32 bits > clock: 33MHz > capabilities: isa bus_master > > The P3 box lshw report does not list isa in the board capabilities. That is > the only difference I can see. LPC is software compatible with ISA although very different in hardware. Generally this is where hardware monitor chios, the BIOS, and a few other things are connected. Even your serial/parallel ports are still connected through a virtual isa/lpc bus even though they are inside the chipset. Just leaves things compatible with what software expects. As for why the P3 doesn't list such things, well maybe it doesn't have whatever interface lshw uses to determine such things. Looks like is uses DMI for that, which older machines often didn't have or had pretty minimal information in. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 16:05:17 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MythTV - Zap2it Labs replacement note. Message-ID: <983892.51939.qm@web88213.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ran across the following web page that has a little bit of news regarding the MythTV Zap2it Labs situation: http://easytvdata.org/ So, something is happening on that score, just at the moment they are not willing to talk details (unfortunate, but depending on who they are talking to that could be understandable). So, MythTV fans strap yourselves down, this may be a bumpy ride :-( . Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 16:23:36 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:23:36 -0400 Subject: Multiple ssh keys in known_hosts possible? Message-ID: <46965588.7060804@alteeve.com> Hi all, I've got a situation where a few machines may answer an ssh request to a given IP. Specifically, I've got port forwarding on my firewall that routes certain (>1024) ports to machines MASQ'ed behind it. In the other case, I have a 2-node cluster. During fail over the slave node would answer requests (specifically; from the backup server running rsync over ssh). The problem is that because the IP /doesn't/ change, ssh sees a different key and refuses to connect. Is there a way to tell ssh that keys A *or* B are valid for IP X? Thanks all! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 16:28:25 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:28:25 -0400 Subject: Multiple ssh keys in known_hosts possible? In-Reply-To: <46965588.7060804-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46965588.7060804@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20070712162825.GC4990@watson-wilson.ca> I believe you can manually add additional entries to the known_hosts file even if they have the same IP. -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 4 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 16:31:25 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:31:25 -0400 Subject: Multiple ssh keys in known_hosts possible? In-Reply-To: <46965588.7060804-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46965588.7060804@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20070712163125.GT31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 12:23:36PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > I've got a situation where a few machines may answer an ssh request > to a given IP. Specifically, I've got port forwarding on my firewall > that routes certain (>1024) ports to machines MASQ'ed behind it. In the > other case, I have a 2-node cluster. During fail over the slave node > would answer requests (specifically; from the backup server running > rsync over ssh). > > The problem is that because the IP /doesn't/ change, ssh sees a > different key and refuses to connect. Is there a way to tell ssh that > keys A *or* B are valid for IP X? I very much doubt it. ssh is paranoid about matching host keys against IP addresses. It wants to protect you from accidentally connecting to a different machine that you thought you were talking to. You probably should just have seperate IPs for each machine and ssh to the one you want explicitly. Now if you find a way to make ssh allow this it would actually be handy. I have seen some people forward different ports to ssh on different internal machines, and unfortunately ssh doesn't note the port number along with the host key either, which makes that not work well. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 16:39:38 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:39:38 -0400 Subject: Partially Solved! Re:Multiple ssh keys in known_hosts possible? In-Reply-To: <20070712163125.GT31194-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <46965588.7060804@alteeve.com> <20070712163125.GT31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4696594A.4090109@alteeve.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 12:23:36PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: >> I've got a situation where a few machines may answer an ssh request >> to a given IP. Specifically, I've got port forwarding on my firewall >> that routes certain (>1024) ports to machines MASQ'ed behind it. In the >> other case, I have a 2-node cluster. During fail over the slave node >> would answer requests (specifically; from the backup server running >> rsync over ssh). >> >> The problem is that because the IP /doesn't/ change, ssh sees a >> different key and refuses to connect. Is there a way to tell ssh that >> keys A *or* B are valid for IP X? > > I very much doubt it. ssh is paranoid about matching host keys against > IP addresses. It wants to protect you from accidentally connecting to a > different machine that you thought you were talking to. You probably > should just have seperate IPs for each machine and ssh to the one you > want explicitly. > > Now if you find a way to make ssh allow this it would actually be handy. > I have seen some people forward different ports to ssh on different > internal machines, and unfortunately ssh doesn't note the port number > along with the host key either, which makes that not work well. > > -- > Len Sorensen Thanks Len and Neil! Go figure, I've been looking for an answer since yesterday, and as soon as I ask for help I find the answer. *Sigh* Here's what you do, "for the record": Edit/create: ~/.ssh/config For each host at a given IP add an entry like: host machine1 hostname 111.222.33.44 hostkeyalias machine1 port 2244 host machine2 hostname 111.222.33.45 hostkeyalias machine2 port 2245 Then connect to the machine by it's alias: $ ssh -X machine1 This way an different key will be added for 'machine1' and 'machine2'. This doesn't really solve my problem yet with trying to have the backup server connect to the primary node in the cluster (which can switch) but I will look into that more tomorrow. I might just need to add some logic to my backup program that says: (pseudo-code) if connect to masternode { backup masternode } else { backup slavenode } If there is interest, I'll post my ssh-based solution if/when I find it. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 16:42:35 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:42:35 -0400 Subject: Partially Solved! Re:Multiple ssh keys in known_hosts possible? In-Reply-To: <4696594A.4090109-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46965588.7060804@alteeve.com> <20070712163125.GT31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4696594A.4090109@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <469659FB.8010203@alteeve.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > host machine1 > hostname 111.222.33.44 > hostkeyalias machine1 > port 2244 > > host machine2 > hostname 111.222.33.45 > hostkeyalias machine2 > port 2245 Bah, mistake. that should read: host machine1 hostname 111.222.33.44 hostkeyalias machine1 port 2244 host machine2 hostname 111.222.33.44 hostkeyalias machine2 port 2245 The hostname, obviously, needs to be the same. Madi, who obviously isn't awake yet. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From paul-fQIO8zZcxYtFkWKT+BUv2w at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 17:46:58 2007 From: paul-fQIO8zZcxYtFkWKT+BUv2w at public.gmane.org (Paul Nash) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:46:58 -0400 Subject: Multiple ssh keys in known_hosts possible? In-Reply-To: <46965588.7060804-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46965588.7060804@alteeve.com> Message-ID: >. Is there a way to tell ssh that >keys A *or* B are valid for IP X? ... or just use the same host key on both machines. paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 21:19:02 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:19:02 +0000 Subject: Online cross-network backup services? Message-ID: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_S3 Has anybody been making any use of services like Amazon S3 for backups and the likes? It is pretty cheap: - $0.15/GB per month for storage used - $0.10/GB for data transferred in - $0.18/GB for data transferred out A few gigs of backups, encrypted, should cost just a few dollars a month to store. There are a bunch of services that seem to offer more "packaged" backup services; the names tend to be less known (ergo an uncertainty as to likelihood of their ongoing survival) and they tend to have a Windows orientation. It seems to me that with S3, one could script up a backup system that would cost just a few bucks a month that could even be pretty generalizable... Looks like Jeremy Zawodny has some interesting relevant links... http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/007641.html -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 21:39:46 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:39:46 -0400 Subject: Online cross-network backup services? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46969FA2.6040806@utoronto.ca> Christopher Browne wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_S3 > > Has anybody been making any use of services like Amazon S3 for backups > and the likes? > > It is pretty cheap: > - $0.15/GB per month for storage used > - $0.10/GB for data transferred in > - $0.18/GB for data transferred out > > A few gigs of backups, encrypted, should cost just a few dollars a > month to store. > > There are a bunch of services that seem to offer more "packaged" > backup services; the names tend to be less known (ergo an uncertainty > as to likelihood of their ongoing survival) and they tend to have a > Windows orientation. > > It seems to me that with S3, one could script up a backup system that > would cost just a few bucks a month that could even be pretty > generalizable... > > Looks like Jeremy Zawodny has some interesting relevant links... > > http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/007641.html A few friends and I are just about to sign up, we've got about 40gb of crucial data that will cost a little extra upfront (for transfer in) and then just a little per month. Doesn't replace doing rsync to a local machine from a production server, but for the critical stuff it's an insurance policy on your data more than anything. Clients would probably really like using it too. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 21:41:59 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:41:59 -0400 Subject: MythTV - Zap2it Labs replacement note. In-Reply-To: <983892.51939.qm-iqFe0qLNPGCB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <983892.51939.qm@web88213.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4696A027.1040204@ve3syb.ca> Colin McGregor wrote: > Ran across the following web page that has a little > bit of news regarding the MythTV Zap2it Labs > situation: > > http://easytvdata.org/ That would be good. I wonder about that other EIT(?) feature of MythTV where it is supposed to be capable of getting TV Guide info right from the TV signal. Don't know if that works on cable or off-air only and I would expect it might not work in all markets or regions of the world. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 21:42:54 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:42:54 -0400 Subject: Online cross-network backup services? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ac602420707121442te430e1fpdafcbd80549437b8@mail.gmail.com> S3 is pretty useful. I'm in the process of building myself a backup system at home and I intend to use S3 as my off-site emergency backup (I will obviously be encrypting what I send to S3--I don't trust Amazon not to read my bits). There are a number of scripts available, and there's even a few file browsers (the one I can think of is called something like jets3t, which is written in Java). Also, if none of the scripts work for you, the API is quite thoroughly documented so it should be fairly easy to implement whatever you need. The killer app for S3 seems to be to use it in conjunction with their EC2 (Elastic Compute Cloud). The idea being that you store virtual machine images on S3 and boot them on EC2 (data transfer between S3 and EC2 is free because they're both in Amazon's network). Running a VM on EC2 only costs per compute-hour (forget the price, but it is in line with the S3 charges) and you can start as many or as few VMs as you need. The one caveat for the principled anti-software patent crowd is that Amazon has patented (or maybe that should read "are patenting") S3. Seems a bit ridiculous to me (the patenting, I mean--not the principles). Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 23:36:00 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:36:00 -0400 Subject: Multiple ssh keys in known_hosts possible? In-Reply-To: <46965588.7060804-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46965588.7060804@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4696BAE0.9080305@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got a situation where a few machines may answer an ssh request > to a given IP. Specifically, I've got port forwarding on my firewall > that routes certain (>1024) ports to machines MASQ'ed behind it. In > the other case, I have a 2-node cluster. During fail over the slave > node would answer requests (specifically; from the backup server > running rsync over ssh). > > The problem is that because the IP /doesn't/ change, ssh sees a > different key and refuses to connect. Is there a way to tell ssh that > keys A *or* B are valid for IP X? > > You've just discovered one of the reasons why NAT is not such a hot idea. If both computers are your own, you might consider copying the private key from one to the other, though you should be careful with such a thing. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 12 23:38:18 2007 From: dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org (Dave Bour) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:38:18 -0400 Subject: Online cross-network backup services? Message-ID: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F47302B1F17C@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms> I run an rsync based backup service. Provides 30 day rolling view of data. Contact me off list if interested for more info Dave Bour Desktop Solution Center 905.381.0077 dcbour at desktopsolutioncenter.ca For those who just want it to work... Giving you complete IT peace of mind. (Sent via Blackberry - hence message may be shorter than my usual verbose responses) PIN 4cc364db (as of March 24, 2007) ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-tlug at ss.org To: tlug at ss.org Sent: Thu Jul 12 17:39:46 2007 Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Online cross-network backup services? Christopher Browne wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_S3 > > Has anybody been making any use of services like Amazon S3 for backups > and the likes? > > It is pretty cheap: > - $0.15/GB per month for storage used > - $0.10/GB for data transferred in > - $0.18/GB for data transferred out > > A few gigs of backups, encrypted, should cost just a few dollars a > month to store. > > There are a bunch of services that seem to offer more "packaged" > backup services; the names tend to be less known (ergo an uncertainty > as to likelihood of their ongoing survival) and they tend to have a > Windows orientation. > > It seems to me that with S3, one could script up a backup system that > would cost just a few bucks a month that could even be pretty > generalizable... > > Looks like Jeremy Zawodny has some interesting relevant links... > > http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/007641.html A few friends and I are just about to sign up, we've got about 40gb of crucial data that will cost a little extra upfront (for transfer in) and then just a little per month. Doesn't replace doing rsync to a local machine from a production server, but for the critical stuff it's an insurance policy on your data more than anything. Clients would probably really like using it too. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I remember back in the day of Windows 2, when you would get a *FREE*, *LEGAL* copy of Windows 2 bundled in every time you bought a mouse or a hard-drive. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From zh.huang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 13 02:44:05 2007 From: zh.huang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (zuoheng) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:44:05 +0800 Subject: Microsoft and linux in China In-Reply-To: <20070713004737.GB4923-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <200707111544.40579.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> <46950434.32562.1967F6@sciguy.vex.net> <20070711205927.GB18637@oldeddie.dapayne.no-ip.org> <20070711212209.6abbd745@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20070713004737.GB4923@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <573409e0707121944h5a3c60abt7a36af0295a4d911@mail.gmail.com> I am from China. I have to say that the pirate software, Windows, Office, and Photoshop, PC games do help this country to be more open and catch up the information revolution. I can not image if without pirated software, the Internet would grow so fast during the past 10 years in China. Though I love Linux, but it is obvious Linux was not good enough for desktop back to late of 90's. Maybe MS took it as a strategy to dominate a under-developed market at the beginning time and gave big tolerance to pirated software, now MS is making money in China. I would like to say, it is a win-win for MS and China, while sad for Linux. /zuoheng -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 13 02:56:23 2007 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:56:23 -0400 Subject: New Flash Out Message-ID: <20070712225623.2b0a298d.gstrom@teksavvy.com> Flash 9.0.48.0 has been released. http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/ -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 13 05:33:30 2007 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:33:30 +0300 Subject: Partially Solved! Re:Multiple ssh keys in known_hosts possible? In-Reply-To: <469659FB.8010203-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46965588.7060804@alteeve.com> <20070712163125.GT31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4696594A.4090109@alteeve.com> <469659FB.8010203@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Hi pals, I have come across this problem also, and I ended up giving up. As Sorensen just mentioned, the application is designed to avoid insecurity due to this situation. I came across the problem when trying to back up Cisco PIX configurations. The script logs in through ssh and push the recent configuration somewhere else. This works until the backup takeover. Since both primary and backup share the same IP, ssh log in fails as the Primary PIX key is different from the backup key. After reaching the end of the rope on finding a solution, I gave up using ssh, enabled telnet on pix and that is what is in use for backup. Not a secure solution, but working at least. I would be happy is someone here have a solution for this problem. I don't know if Kelly solution would help, but I will look at it. Anyway, a solution that don't use port would be more ideal Regards William On 12/07/07, Madison Kelly wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: > > host machine1 > > hostname 111.222.33.44 > > hostkeyalias machine1 > > port 2244 > > > > host machine2 > > hostname 111.222.33.45 > > hostkeyalias machine2 > > port 2245 > > Bah, mistake. that should read: > > host machine1 > hostname 111.222.33.44 > hostkeyalias machine1 > port 2244 > > host machine2 > hostname 111.222.33.44 > hostkeyalias machine2 > port 2245 > > The hostname, obviously, needs to be the same. > > Madi, who obviously isn't awake yet. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 13 13:20:30 2007 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:20:30 -0400 Subject: Partially Solved! Re:Multiple ssh keys in known_hosts possible? In-Reply-To: References: <46965588.7060804@alteeve.com> <20070712163125.GT31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4696594A.4090109@alteeve.com> <469659FB.8010203@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <92ee967a0707130620v16635e71kcab8173fbdc0c118@mail.gmail.com> On 7/13/07, Kihara Muriithi wrote: > Hi pals, > > I have come across this problem also, and I ended up giving up. As > Sorensen just mentioned, the application is designed to avoid > insecurity due to this situation. > > I came across the problem when trying to back up Cisco PIX > configurations. The script logs in through ssh and push the recent > configuration somewhere else. This works until the backup takeover. > Since both primary and backup share the same IP, ssh log in fails as > the Primary PIX key is different from the backup key. After reaching > the end of the rope on finding a solution, I gave up using ssh, > enabled telnet on pix and that is what is in use for backup. Not a > secure solution, but working at least. > > I would be happy is someone here have a solution for this problem. I > don't know if Kelly solution would help, but I will look at it. > Anyway, a solution that don't use port would be more ideal I liked the idea of using the same host key on multiple systems. The security concern is minimal. *You* know why they have the same host key and you know its not a man in the middle attack. Technically, I think the real problem is that you should be accessing them over a management interface rather than the external load balanced interface. But... tight budget right? >From a security standpoint, you probably do not want ssh exposed on all the machines anyway. As soon as a machine is external facing, it's extremely important to keep up on all security updates as quickly as possible, if not, faster. What you should probably do is dedicate the task of remote management to one pair of external machines. These would probably not be used for your primary business, because you don't want a last-minute-mission-critical ssh patch going in on your systems with the highest availability. You need time to test it, or time to ensure you can respond to an emergency if the patch goes awry (assuming a shoestring budget). Then if you need to administer anything else in the environment, you use SSH tunnels or similar. It's less convenient, but it is a lot more secure. There isn't much point in even clustering SSH. You might just want to use different ports. one for your "primary" administrative gateway, the second for your "backup" administrative gateway. If you use different hostnames for the two systems (with the same IP) in your /etc/hosts, I'm pretty sure it will get past your key problem for scripts. And finally, since you're only using one pair of SSH accounts, only allow key-based authentication and do not give out accounts to untrusted people. This is external facing, people will try strange things. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 13 13:28:58 2007 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:28:58 -0400 Subject: Partially Solved! Re:Multiple ssh keys in known_hosts possible? In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0707130620v16635e71kcab8173fbdc0c118-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46965588.7060804@alteeve.com> <20070712163125.GT31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4696594A.4090109@alteeve.com> <469659FB.8010203@alteeve.com> <92ee967a0707130620v16635e71kcab8173fbdc0c118@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92ee967a0707130628s5d7273e2r1f97da105e74d0c3@mail.gmail.com> On 7/13/07, Mike Kallies wrote: ... > And finally, since you're only using one pair of SSH accounts, only > allow key-based authentication and do not give out accounts to > untrusted people. This is external facing, people will try strange > things. whoops, I guess most of that was directed toward Madison. I'm not quite awake yet. For the PIX, try to use different ports and different hostnames in /etc/hosts on the automation server. e.g. /etc/hosts 192.168.5.5 routera 192.168.5.5 routerb Then something like: ssh -p 6622 cfgbkp at routera {...commands...} ssh -p 6623 cfgbkp at routerb {...commands...} On the firewall, you'd redirect 6622 to routera, 6623 to routerb I really don't like the idea of externally facing ssh on a router. Another shoestring budget right? :-) You'd be better off having a script trigger from inside the environment to encrypt the config and send it in an email. Then you don't need to expose SSH. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 13 13:37:53 2007 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:37:53 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards Message-ID: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Hi, Can anyone suggest a good miniature USB keyboard? A lot of servers these days are coming with USB only (blades for example) so sometimes when I need a keyboard it's tough to find. I'd like something not much bigger than a Blackberry, generally I only need the keyboard for minimal setup (configuring remote console). Thanks -- Fraser Campbell Georgetown, Ontario, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 13 14:06:13 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:06:13 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <200707130937.53412.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <469786D5.401@utoronto.ca> Fraser Campbell wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone suggest a good miniature USB keyboard? A lot of servers these days > are coming with USB only (blades for example) so sometimes when I need a > keyboard it's tough to find. > > I'd like something not much bigger than a Blackberry, generally I only need > the keyboard for minimal setup (configuring remote console). > > Thanks One of these laser type pocket sized keyboards would be nice, someone had one at the caffeinated a few months back. You'd have to find on that is USB and not bluetooth though. http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 13 14:11:57 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:11:57 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <469786D5.401-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <469786D5.401@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4697882D.2000701@utoronto.ca> Jamon Camisso wrote: > Fraser Campbell wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Can anyone suggest a good miniature USB keyboard? A lot of servers >> these days are coming with USB only (blades for example) so sometimes >> when I need a keyboard it's tough to find. >> >> I'd like something not much bigger than a Blackberry, generally I only >> need the keyboard for minimal setup (configuring remote console). >> >> Thanks > > One of these laser type pocket sized keyboards would be nice, someone > had one at the caffeinated a few months back. You'd have to find on that > is USB and not bluetooth though. > > http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ Wow, talk about being under-caffeineated today, I meant to say the linuxcaffe. Synonymous with being caffeinated in my mind... Linux and a latte right? Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 13 14:36:07 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:36:07 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <200707130937.53412.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <46978DD7.2010106@ve3syb.ca> Fraser Campbell wrote: > Can anyone suggest a good miniature USB keyboard? A lot of servers these days > are coming with USB only (blades for example) so sometimes when I need a > keyboard it's tough to find. The other device someone pointed to on ThinkGeek had a "You might also like:" section at the bottom of the page with a reference to several devices. One of which was called the FrogPad (http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/6c82/). It looks more like what you are looking for. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 13 15:17:11 2007 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:17:11 +0300 Subject: Partially Solved! Re:Multiple ssh keys in known_hosts possible? In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0707130628s5d7273e2r1f97da105e74d0c3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <46965588.7060804@alteeve.com> <20070712163125.GT31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4696594A.4090109@alteeve.com> <469659FB.8010203@alteeve.com> <92ee967a0707130620v16635e71kcab8173fbdc0c118@mail.gmail.com> <92ee967a0707130628s5d7273e2r1f97da105e74d0c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi > I really don't like the idea of externally facing ssh on a router. > Another shoestring budget right? :-) > Oh, I forgot to pass that information. Both backup server and PIX are in the same LAN, so its not the case above Regards William > You'd be better off having a script trigger from inside the > environment to encrypt the config and send it in an email. Then you > don't need to expose SSH. > > -Mike > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 14 00:13:35 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:13:35 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <200707130937.53412.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <4698152F.4070008@telly.org> Fraser Campbell wrote: > Can anyone suggest a good miniature USB keyboard? A lot of servers these days > are coming with USB only (blades for example) so sometimes when I need a > keyboard it's tough to find. > > I'd like something not much bigger than a Blackberry, generally I only need > the keyboard for minimal setup (configuring remote console). > How about http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1818112&CatId=142 - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 14 00:18:13 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:18:13 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <200707130937.53412.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <46981645.50103@telly.org> Here's another one. Less geeky than the projector, but pretty small nonetheless. http://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00039&dept_id=015&cat_id=034 - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 13 18:18:41 2007 From: smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sheldon Mustard) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:18:41 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <46978DD7.2010106-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <46978DD7.2010106@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <22e435080707131118u287f7d06vc4cc1c5a626c8fa0@mail.gmail.com> On 7/13/07, Kevin Cozens wrote: > The other device someone pointed to on ThinkGeek had a "You might also like:" > section at the bottom of the page with a reference to several devices. One of > which was called the FrogPad (http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/6c82/). > It looks more like what you are looking for. This thing look very nice. I have been looking, albeit not very hard, for a device like this ... but with a small lcd and a serial cable. Obviously for connecting to servers / devices to get a serial console and check / fix stuff. I want something that runs on batteries and / or powers a small battery via usb and that is simply to use in an emergency (i.e. an embedded device not a laptop). SJM -- Sheldon Mustard smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org "There will be no order, only chaos." - Pi (1998) -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 13 18:35:12 2007 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Suggestions needed; mail server suggestions In-Reply-To: <46956EB1.3090204-XzQKRVe1yT0V+D8aMU/kSg@public.gmane.org> References: <46956EB1.3090204@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <489343.31340.qm@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> I got postfix, dovecot and squirrelmail working off mysql database. Account information such as email, password, forwarding and vacation reply is stored in one table and accessed through different views. Any change to an account is just a matter of manupulating one table. This configuration can handle multiple domain as well. Mails are stored in $mailhome/$domain/$user directories in Maildir format. I added two php pages to enable users to set their own vacation reply and mail forwarding from within squirrelmail. I think this installation is neat. EK --- VGS wrote: > > Please take a look at courier too(courier-mta.org). It has a > webmail > package and email address is used to login. Maildir format and ldap > are > other advantages. I found it to be very scalable and stable. > > Regards, > Shinoj. > > > > Madison Kelly wrote: > > > >> Thing is though, the number of email addresses and domains I > host > >> has been growing (and with luck, will continue to grow). My > issue is > >> that I don't like needing to have a shell account for each email > > >> address. This is insecure to a degree and makes backup and > recovery > >> more difficult. > >> > >> So I want to move to a SQL-based mail server. I want to let > users > >> use their email address as their POP3 username, for simplicity. > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 13 18:42:10 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:42:10 -0400 Subject: YouTube - space invaders in real life Message-ID: <4697C782.1060006@rogers.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JTbJdLwqMo&feature=dir -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 13 19:00:59 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:00:59 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <22e435080707131118u287f7d06vc4cc1c5a626c8fa0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <46978DD7.2010106@ve3syb.ca> <22e435080707131118u287f7d06vc4cc1c5a626c8fa0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4697CBEB.9020500@ve3syb.ca> Sheldon Mustard wrote: > This thing look very nice. I have been looking, albeit not very hard, > for a device like this ... but with a small lcd and a serial cable. Can you say "PDA with a serial cable and a terminal program"? That sounds like what you really want and you can't get much smaller than one of those devices. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 13 20:11:03 2007 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:11:03 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <200707130937.53412.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <1f13df280707131311l6529fc93k3253d673935fb4b4@mail.gmail.com> On 7/13/07, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Can anyone suggest a good miniature USB keyboard? A lot of servers these days > are coming with USB only (blades for example) so sometimes when I need a > keyboard it's tough to find. > > I'd like something not much bigger than a Blackberry, generally I only need > the keyboard for minimal setup (configuring remote console). There have been several folding keyboards made over the years. Most were meant for PDAs or occasionally tablet PCs, and as such they used Bluetooth or IR or a proprietary connection. I still own a Stowaway Portable USB Keyboard: I think Think Outside first made them for Palms about eight years ago, but later offered this USB version - the one I have is clearly branded "Fellowes." It has the look, feel, and approximate size of a laptop keyboard when unfolded, and much worse durability. It slides apart and folds in three places down to the size of a PDA. I got it for $15 US in a computer store bargain bin two or three years ago, and I'm pretty sure they aren't made anymore. I'd go with one of Evan's suggestions: the folding keyboards are cool, but they're unreliable. Still, this one looks nice and Cherry has historically made good products: http://mobile-review.com/pda/review/cherry-kb-en.shtml -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 13 20:51:29 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:51:29 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux Message-ID: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> I am upgrading my home recording studio. I need a linux-friendly PCI sound card with co-axial S/PDIF input that will work in a PIII 733 MHz machine. Background: Unless I get better advice, I am going to get Focusrite's Trakmaster Pro microphone preamplifier/compressor and their Platinum Pro ADC add-on. I'll get these from Long & McQuade in Toronto. What L&McQ can't help me with is a linux-friendly PCI sound card (for my PIII 733 MHz processor PC) that has a digital in (co-axial S/PDIF). My PC currently has the SoundBlaster Live 5.1 which does not have digital in (let alone co-axial S/PDIF). Any ideas? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 14 07:14:30 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (sy1234) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 03:14:30 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <1f13df280707131311l6529fc93k3253d673935fb4b4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <1f13df280707131311l6529fc93k3253d673935fb4b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <469877D6.405@gmail.com> Giles Orr said the following on 07/13/2007 04:11 PM: > Still, this one looks nice and Cherry has > historically made good products: > http://mobile-review.com/pda/review/cherry-kb-en.shtml > A while back, I specifically researched that keyboard thanks to that review. I had repeatedly tried to contact the author of that review to no avail. I ended up contacting Cherry directly. Their representative told me that they do not manufacture this keyboard. i.e. if this review is on the level then someone else made this keyboard and stamped it with the cherry name. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 14 07:27:12 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (sy1234) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 03:27:12 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <22e435080707131118u287f7d06vc4cc1c5a626c8fa0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <46978DD7.2010106@ve3syb.ca> <22e435080707131118u287f7d06vc4cc1c5a626c8fa0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46987AD0.6060709@gmail.com> Sheldon Mustard said the following on 07/13/2007 02:18 PM: > On 7/13/07, Kevin Cozens wrote: >> the FrogPad (http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/6c82/). > > This thing look very nice. I have been looking, albeit not very hard, > for a device like this ... but with a small lcd and a serial cable. > Obviously for connecting to servers / devices to get a serial console > and check / fix stuff. I want something that runs on batteries and / > or powers a small battery via usb and that is simply to use in an > emergency (i.e. an embedded device not a laptop). Like a Zaurus? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharp_Zaurus -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 14 07:32:03 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (sy1234) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 03:32:03 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <200707130937.53412.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <46987BF3.9050001@gmail.com> Fraser Campbell said the following on 07/13/2007 09:37 AM: > Can anyone suggest a good miniature USB keyboard? A lot of servers these days > are coming with USB only (blades for example) so sometimes when I need a > keyboard it's tough to find. > > I'd like something not much bigger than a Blackberry, generally I only need > the keyboard for minimal setup (configuring remote console). > Folding keyboards are probably your best hope for that size, but others have pointed out some nice one-hand keyboards (also sometimes called 'half keyboards') I wonder if a twiddler would work for you: http://www.handykey.com I've got one of those tiny non-folding keyboards I could give you if you wanted. I bought it for my handheld to see if it would be more comfortable for typing larger documents. It isn't. I hate laptop-style keyboards. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 14 07:33:53 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (sy1234) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 03:33:53 -0400 Subject: unable to mount a partition a second time In-Reply-To: <87ejjecs7a.fsf-HasXQTlsvt1ah8WM/F5+tg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990706281628j4af1d1a5la3c33cbb4356aad4@mail.gmail.com> <46956BF4.80502@gmail.com> <87ejjecs7a.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> Message-ID: <46987C61.3060107@gmail.com> Charles philip Chan said the following on 07/11/2007 09:43 PM: > sy1234 writes >> Well, apparently I had to specify the filesystem when using mount. >> > > Was the filesytem type specified in the fstab entry? Please refer to the > fstab manpage for details. > Oh bloody hwll. Some partitions were incorrectly specified as ext2 in fstab. Sad. =( -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 14 16:11:26 2007 From: smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sheldon Mustard) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:11:26 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <46987AD0.6060709-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <46978DD7.2010106@ve3syb.ca> <22e435080707131118u287f7d06vc4cc1c5a626c8fa0@mail.gmail.com> <46987AD0.6060709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <22e435080707140911r7a6bf81emb20db5391877fa2f@mail.gmail.com> On 7/14/07, sy1234 wrote: > > This thing look very nice. I have been looking, albeit not very hard, > > for a device like this ... but with a small lcd and a serial cable. > > Obviously for connecting to servers / devices to get a serial console > > and check / fix stuff. I want something that runs on batteries and / > > or powers a small battery via usb and that is simply to use in an > > emergency (i.e. an embedded device not a laptop). > Like a Zaurus? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharp_Zaurus > well really what I would like is something like a psion series 5 with modern tech in it. SJM -- Sheldon Mustard smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org "There will be no order, only chaos." - Pi (1998) -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 14 17:09:08 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (sy1234) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:09:08 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <22e435080707140911r7a6bf81emb20db5391877fa2f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <46978DD7.2010106@ve3syb.ca> <22e435080707131118u287f7d06vc4cc1c5a626c8fa0@mail.gmail.com> <46987AD0.6060709@gmail.com> <22e435080707140911r7a6bf81emb20db5391877fa2f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46990334.80102@gmail.com> Sheldon Mustard said the following on 07/14/2007 12:11 PM: > On 7/14/07, sy1234 wrote: >> > This thing look very nice. I have been looking, albeit not very hard, >> > for a device like this ... but with a small lcd and a serial cable. >> > Obviously for connecting to servers / devices to get a serial console >> > and check / fix stuff. I want something that runs on batteries and / >> > or powers a small battery via usb and that is simply to use in an >> > emergency (i.e. an embedded device not a laptop). >> Like a Zaurus? >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharp_Zaurus >> > > well really what I would like is something like a psion series 5 with > modern tech in it. Yeah, I've been wishing for such things for a while. Maybe a used 200lx with a hacked-together minix distro would work for you? ;) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 14 17:55:33 2007 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:55:33 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <200707130937.53412.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20070714175533.GA7736@wp.magstar.net> On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 09:37:53AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone suggest a good miniature USB keyboard? A lot of servers these days > are coming with USB only (blades for example) so sometimes when I need a > keyboard it's tough to find. > > I'd like something not much bigger than a Blackberry, generally I only need > the keyboard for minimal setup (configuring remote console). Logitech has mini-keyboard, originally designed for game station, but now sold separately. If you got the money, go for Happy Hooker keyboard. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 14 18:35:00 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (sy1234) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:35:00 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <20070714175533.GA7736-SBOj+Tp9hCvc29vQ/UIUOA@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20070714175533.GA7736@wp.magstar.net> Message-ID: <46991754.9000009@gmail.com> William Park said the following on 07/14/2007 01:55 PM: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 09:37:53AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Logitech has mini-keyboard, originally designed for game station, but > now sold separately. If you got the money, go for Happy Hooker > keyboard. > > I'm guessing you meant the happy hacker keyboard: http://capsoff.org/happy-hacker I never did understand the capslock key, but I don't support moving ctrl up there. I'm too used to folding my pinky under and using its knuckle for the key. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 14 18:56:52 2007 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:56:52 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <46991754.9000009-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20070714175533.GA7736@wp.magstar.net> <46991754.9000009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070714185652.GA7898@wp.magstar.net> On Sat, Jul 14, 2007 at 02:35:00PM -0400, sy1234 wrote: > William Park said the following on 07/14/2007 01:55 PM: > >On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 09:37:53AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > >Logitech has mini-keyboard, originally designed for game station, but > >now sold separately. If you got the money, go for Happy Hooker > >keyboard. > > > > > I'm guessing you meant the happy hacker keyboard: > http://capsoff.org/happy-hacker Ah shit! Yes, Happy Hacker. The manufacturer don't ship to Canada, so you have to buy from Linux Central (linuxcentral.com). -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 15 15:18:47 2007 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:18:47 +0300 Subject: Backing up Window clients Message-ID: Hi pals, Last week, one of the company employee lost her laptop. This triggered the management to mandate that there need to be automated backups daily. I am therefore looking for application to do automatic backups of clients computers. Naturally, these are mainly Window platform. I am aware of amanda, but have no experience with using it and most of the documentation out there seem a little dated. I am however inclined to take this routes unless convinced otherwise, as it seem to support HP C5683A SCSI system currently in place. Does someone here use amanda and what is their experience with it? i.e, How reliable is this application? What are the other alternatives out there and how do they compare with amanda? Any advice would be appreciated Regards William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 15 15:43:53 2007 From: jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (John Sellens) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Backing up Window clients Message-ID: <200707151543.l6FFhr2S095482@localhost.generalconcepts.com> backuppc.sourceforge.net de-duplication, snapshots, web interface for user restores, etc. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 15 21:27:39 2007 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:27:39 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <4698152F.4070008-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <4698152F.4070008@telly.org> Message-ID: <200707151727.39757.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Friday 13 July 2007 20:13:35 Evan Leibovitch wrote: > How about > > http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1 >818112&CatId=142 Thanks, I ordered 2 :-) Now when you go to the site it says the product is no longer available for sale - I have my order confirmation so it looks like I got lucky. -- Fraser Campbell Georgetown, Ontario, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-G8usDCtqe957Ar2qsurDTA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 15 21:35:49 2007 From: tlug-G8usDCtqe957Ar2qsurDTA at public.gmane.org (Allen Taylor) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:35:49 -0400 Subject: Backing up Window clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070715213549.GA9013@thecat.localnet> On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 06:18:47PM +0300, Kihara Muriithi wrote: > Hi pals, > . . . > Does someone here use amanda and what is their experience with it? > i.e, How reliable is this application? What are the other alternatives > out there and how do they compare with amanda? Any advice would be > appreciated I've read/heard good things about Bacula (www.bacula.org) - haven't had a chance to implement it yet. Allen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 15 21:48:41 2007 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:48:41 -0400 Subject: dvd writer speed Message-ID: Hey, I recently replaced a dvd writer. The new one is an LG H22L from which I am trying to burn dual layer dvd. The problem is the drive won't recognize the proper burn speed of the media. The media is 2.4X and when I try to burn with k3b it select 4X. I've tried from cdrecord and it still selects 4X. I tried the to set -speed=1 to force a slower speed and I also tried -speed=0 which is supposed to use the slowest speed of the drive but it still insists on burning at 4X. I updated the firmware of the drive with the same results. I also had a look at /etc/cdrecord.conf to set CDR_SPEED=1. So the question is, is it possible to force the drive to operate at a speed of 1X? I was thinking perhaps if I use hdparm to set the drive transfer mode to something slower it might do what I expect but I'd rather have another way around it. Martin _________________________________________________________________ Fight Allergies With Live Search http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=Remedies+For+Spring+Allergies&mkt=en-ca&FORM=SERNEP -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 00:00:09 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:00:09 -0400 Subject: dvd writer speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <469AB509.6000300@ve3syb.ca> Martin Duclos wrote: > I recently replaced a dvd writer. The new one is an LG H22L from which I > am trying to burn dual layer dvd. The problem is the drive won't > recognize the proper burn speed of the media. The media is 2.4X and when > I try to burn with k3b it select 4X. Have you tried just telling k3b to use a different speed? I had a similar once on my new machine where I got a bad burn of a DVD. I just tried again and told k3b to burn at a lower speed. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 00:40:01 2007 From: dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org (Dave Bour) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:40:01 -0400 Subject: Backing up Window clients Message-ID: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F47302B1F186@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms> I have several clients using NASbackup which is a windows shell to a cygwin rsync client. That allows you a whole lot of options at the back end. It's easy, user friendly, robust and makes it easy for you to generate reports, monitor users, etc Dave Dave Bour Desktop Solution Center 905.381.0077 dcbour at desktopsolutioncenter.ca For those who just want it to work... Giving you complete IT peace of mind. (Sent via Blackberry - hence message may be shorter than my usual verbose responses) PIN 4cc364db (as of March 24, 2007) ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-tlug at ss.org To: tlug at ss.org Sent: Sun Jul 15 11:18:47 2007 Subject: [TLUG]: Backing up Window clients Hi pals, Last week, one of the company employee lost her laptop. This triggered the management to mandate that there need to be automated backups daily. I am therefore looking for application to do automatic backups of clients computers. Naturally, these are mainly Window platform. I am aware of amanda, but have no experience with using it and most of the documentation out there seem a little dated. I am however inclined to take this routes unless convinced otherwise, as it seem to support HP C5683A SCSI system currently in place. Does someone here use amanda and what is their experience with it? i.e, How reliable is this application? What are the other alternatives out there and how do they compare with amanda? 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URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 03:03:41 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:03:41 -0400 Subject: Microsoft and linux in China In-Reply-To: <573409e0707121944h5a3c60abt7a36af0295a4d911-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200707111544.40579.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> <46950434.32562.1967F6@sciguy.vex.net> <20070711205927.GB18637@oldeddie.dapayne.no-ip.org> <20070711212209.6abbd745@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20070713004737.GB4923@waltdnes.org> <573409e0707121944h5a3c60abt7a36af0295a4d911@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/12/07, zuoheng wrote: > I am from China. I have to say that the pirate software, Windows, Office, > and Photoshop, PC games do help this country to be more open and catch up > the information revolution. I can not > image if without pirated software, the > Internet would > grow so fast during the past 10 years in China. Though I love > Linux, but it is obvious Linux was not > good enough for desktop back to late of 90's. > > Maybe MS took it as a strategy to dominate a > under-developed market at the beginning > time and gave big tolerance to pirated software, now MS is > making money in China. > I would like to say, it is a win-win for MS and China, while sad for Linux. > > /zuoheng I don't think this represents a "win-win" for China, nor is it one for Microsoft. For Microsoft, there may be a similar "win" to that of the crack dealer who starts out in a "loss" position, but who later "wins" once he has a set of addicted customers. I could go along with a "lose-win" assessment, there. For China, I don't see *any* win here. They may have a temporary evasion of payments; unfortunately, that does amount to thievery, and we're seeing wide-spread problems in the Chinese economic system that seems characteristic of banditry. Stealing software, bribing inspectors, enslaving workers, on the manufacturers' side. On the government's side, the willingness of government officials to be bribed reflects the mirror of that. In the not-forgotten past, they found it a "win-win" situation to have the army drive tanks over protestors. And the legal system has the "convenience" factor that they don't bother permitting the accused to mount any meaningful defense. I'm no fan of Microsoft, but that doesn't mean, to me, that it's AOK to use their software "if it's convenient." Likewise, I'm no fan of the RIAA or MPAA, but just because they're being bozos does not make it AOK for factories in China to stamp out CDs and DVDs by the millions just because it's convenient to leave this as a "legal limbo." I expect that there will be some significant economic injury as a result of the recent poisonous toothpaste problem. Based on all indicators, that injury seems entirely well-deserved. The thievery that is taking place makes them rightly look like thieves. It's not so much "sad for Linux;" it's probably a better thing that Linux isn't associated with this. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From zh.huang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 03:42:55 2007 From: zh.huang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (zuoheng) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:42:55 +0800 Subject: Microsoft and linux in China In-Reply-To: References: <200707111544.40579.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> <46950434.32562.1967F6@sciguy.vex.net> <20070711205927.GB18637@oldeddie.dapayne.no-ip.org> <20070711212209.6abbd745@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20070713004737.GB4923@waltdnes.org> <573409e0707121944h5a3c60abt7a36af0295a4d911@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <573409e0707152042s1875ac81w4ddc9c41211b02b@mail.gmail.com> we are talking about linux and microsoft, even some information industry. while you drove so far to those political issues. I know there are many problems in China now, but on the other hand, I know it is NOT a easy task to raise the bar for 1.5B people. It is not a good way to judge others by all the information from TV or internet and the situation you live in. /zuoheng On 7/16/07, Christopher Browne wrote: > > On 7/12/07, zuoheng wrote: > > I am from China. I have to say that the pirate software, Windows, > Office, > > and Photoshop, PC games do help this country to be more open and catch > up > > the information revolution. I can not > > image if without pirated software, the > > Internet would > > grow so fast during the past 10 years in China. Though I love > > Linux, but it is obvious Linux was not > > good enough for desktop back to late of 90's. > > > > Maybe MS took it as a strategy to dominate a > > under-developed market at the beginning > > time and gave big tolerance to pirated software, now MS is > > making money in China. > > I would like to say, it is a win-win for MS and China, while sad for > Linux. > > > > /zuoheng > > I don't think this represents a "win-win" for China, nor is it one for > Microsoft. > > For Microsoft, there may be a similar "win" to that of the crack > dealer who starts out in a "loss" position, but who later "wins" once > he has a set of addicted customers. I could go along with a > "lose-win" assessment, there. > > For China, I don't see *any* win here. > > They may have a temporary evasion of payments; unfortunately, that > does amount to thievery, and we're seeing wide-spread problems in the > Chinese economic system that seems characteristic of banditry. > Stealing software, bribing inspectors, enslaving workers, on the > manufacturers' side. > > On the government's side, the willingness of government officials to > be bribed reflects the mirror of that. In the not-forgotten past, > they found it a "win-win" situation to have the army drive tanks over > protestors. And the legal system has the "convenience" factor that > they don't bother permitting the accused to mount any meaningful > defense. > > I'm no fan of Microsoft, but that doesn't mean, to me, that it's AOK > to use their software "if it's convenient." Likewise, I'm no fan of > the RIAA or MPAA, but just because they're being bozos does not make > it AOK for factories in China to stamp out CDs and DVDs by the > millions just because it's convenient to leave this as a "legal > limbo." > > > I expect that there will be some significant economic injury as a > result of the recent poisonous toothpaste problem. Based on all > indicators, that injury seems entirely well-deserved. The thievery > that is taking place makes them rightly look like thieves. > > It's not so much "sad for Linux;" it's probably a better thing that > Linux isn't associated with this. > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." > (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 03:53:33 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Microsoft and linux in China In-Reply-To: References: <200707111544.40579.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> <46950434.32562.1967F6@sciguy.vex.net> <20070711205927.GB18637@oldeddie.dapayne.no-ip.org> <20070711212209.6abbd745@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20070713004737.GB4923@waltdnes.org> <573409e0707121944h5a3c60abt7a36af0295a4d911@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15260.74.98.136.37.1184558013.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > On the government's side, the willingness of government officials to > be bribed reflects the mirror of that. In the not-forgotten past, > they found it a "win-win" situation to have the army drive tanks over > protestors. And the legal system has the "convenience" factor that > they don't bother permitting the accused to mount any meaningful > defense. > > I expect that there will be some significant economic injury as a > result of the recent poisonous toothpaste problem. Based on all > indicators, that injury seems entirely well-deserved. The thievery > that is taking place makes them rightly look like thieves. > As someone who worked in China for a summer, I have a somewhat more nuanced view of this. China is an enormous country that is making the transition from feudalism to a modern society, and the results are not perfect. The leaders of China are I think constantly aware that the country could easily collapse into chaos and civil war, and that's the motivation behind various kinds of repression and attacks on the Falun Gong, for example. Iraq is an example of what can happen when a centrist dictatorship is removed without any transition plan in place. (Would anyone here want America involved in managing the transition of some country to 'democracy'?) The grad students I taught understood 'democracy' to be complete freedom to do anything - they had no concept of the resposibilities of citizens under a democracy. The library was full of copied IEEE periodicals and the university mainframe ran a pirated version of AT&T Unix. Some of the concepts that we take for granted - privacy of the individual, and intellectual property - simply do not exist in China. But to demonize the Chinese for these 'failings' really misses the point. It's unrealistic to expect China to make the transition to a western-style free enterprise democracy over night. In many respects the path that Communist China has chosen is much more hopeful and less repressive than the path of Communist Russia. I'm not arguing that we should accept poisoned toothpaste. (Neither are they, someone was executed over this.) But to have influence in China, we need to be continue to be engaged in the conversation and then we will then have the opportunity to influence the direction of Chinese policy. Back in the 50's, products out of Japan were shoddy and in some cases dangerous. That completely changed, of course, and the Chinese are as capable, energetic and thoughtful as anyone else. Things are and will continue to improve in China. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From zh.huang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 04:33:55 2007 From: zh.huang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (zuoheng) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:33:55 +0800 Subject: Microsoft and linux in China In-Reply-To: <15260.74.98.136.37.1184558013.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <200707111544.40579.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> <46950434.32562.1967F6@sciguy.vex.net> <20070711205927.GB18637@oldeddie.dapayne.no-ip.org> <20070711212209.6abbd745@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20070713004737.GB4923@waltdnes.org> <573409e0707121944h5a3c60abt7a36af0295a4d911@mail.gmail.com> <15260.74.98.136.37.1184558013.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <573409e0707152133h525429a5scfaf6c93d651ecce@mail.gmail.com> > > > The grad students I taught understood 'democracy' to be complete freedom > to do anything - they had no concept of the resposibilities of citizens > under a democracy. The library was full of copied IEEE periodicals and the > university mainframe ran a pirated version of AT&T Unix. Some of the > concepts that we take for granted - privacy of the individual, and > intellectual property - simply do not exist in China. > > I totally agree with you. Generally, people in China, whoever a university student, or a factory owner, don't respect any RULES, which may be law or some moral goodness (sorry for my English, I try to express some rules from religion or tradition to be gentle or good hearted. ). Around 30 years "reform and open", the only rule people were taught is "making money by any means". Though it is changing these years after many many families going into a so-called middle-class life. The culture is being re-builded slowly. As to "democracy", there is never a clear definition for it. We all know France Revolution was a bleeding story about freedom and democracy. Almost at the same time, U.S. build his own democracy system based on collaboration between states and improved it in the next 100 years. There is no such a line simply splitting good and bad. To respect minors, to respect difference, it need time to learn. /zuoheng -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 13:00:00 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:00:00 -0400 Subject: Backing up Window clients In-Reply-To: <200707151543.l6FFhr2S095482-bi+AKbBUZKYsbE7Vo+MiNSGuMlDgniV8mpATvIKMPHk@public.gmane.org> References: <200707151543.l6FFhr2S095482@localhost.generalconcepts.com> Message-ID: <1184590800.25342.324.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 11:43 -0400, John Sellens wrote: > backuppc.sourceforge.net > > de-duplication, snapshots, web interface for user restores, etc. I think John has one good option for you. I haven't used backuppc but I've looked at it for solving the issue you have. The issue with laptops is the duplication. You can easily get 40GB on a laptop and that is the capacity of your tape drive. You also have other options. 1. Use synchronized folders to backup their data to your server. This occurs when they login and when the logout. It requires some careful considerations to keep the process fast enough. For example you don't want your Internet cache to be synchronized. One easy solution is to sync the My Documents folder only. We have lots of customers using this with Windows servers and some using it with Samba servers. 2. Another option that is useful for laptops that roam a lot is an on-line backup. I haven't used any and I don't recall the names, but there are services that specialize in this sort of thing. They backup whenever there is an Internet connection. These companies provide the software and the storage occurs on their servers. 3. rdiff-backup is a great disk-to-disk backup for low bandwidth (e.g. high speed Internet) backup. Although I don't think it's suitable if you have a lot notebooks, but if you have only one or two it may be worth a try. It requires Cygwin, ssh, and rsync on Windows systems. You could run a background task in Windows at login to do this silently. I'm not sure what the results would be if it were interrupted. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux Conference for users by users. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 12:29:54 2007 From: myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles A. Braithwaite) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Backing up Window clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4146987.31184588994836.JavaMail.root@mail> I currently use cygwin, rsync, and cron to do most of my backups. There is also a built in Windows backup client that may do the job. ----- "Kihara Muriithi" wrote: > Hi pals, > > Last week, one of the company employee lost her laptop. This > triggered > the management to mandate that there need to be automated backups > daily. I am therefore looking for application to do automatic backups > of clients computers. Naturally, these are mainly Window platform. I > am aware of amanda, but have no experience with using it and most of > the documentation out there seem a little dated. I am however > inclined > to take this routes unless convinced otherwise, as it seem to support > HP C5683A SCSI system currently in place. > > Does someone here use amanda and what is their experience with it? > i.e, How reliable is this application? What are the other > alternatives > out there and how do they compare with amanda? Any advice would be > appreciated > > Regards > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Myles A. Braithwaite Monkey in your Soul - http://miys.net/ myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 14:31:48 2007 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:31:48 +0300 Subject: Backing up Window clients In-Reply-To: <1184590800.25342.324.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <200707151543.l6FFhr2S095482@localhost.generalconcepts.com> <1184590800.25342.324.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: Hi, Cool, thank you. I now have tonnes of information to work with in my endeavor to get a solution. I am leaning toward bacula now Thanks William On 16/07/07, John Van Ostrand wrote: > On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 11:43 -0400, John Sellens wrote: > > backuppc.sourceforge.net > > > > de-duplication, snapshots, web interface for user restores, etc. > > I think John has one good option for you. I haven't used backuppc but > I've looked at it for solving the issue you have. The issue with laptops > is the duplication. You can easily get 40GB on a laptop and that is the > capacity of your tape drive. > > You also have other options. > > 1. Use synchronized folders to backup their data to your server. This > occurs when they login and when the logout. It requires some careful > considerations to keep the process fast enough. For example you don't > want your Internet cache to be synchronized. One easy solution is to > sync the My Documents folder only. We have lots of customers using this > with Windows servers and some using it with Samba servers. > > 2. Another option that is useful for laptops that roam a lot is an > on-line backup. I haven't used any and I don't recall the names, but > there are services that specialize in this sort of thing. They backup > whenever there is an Internet connection. These companies provide the > software and the storage occurs on their servers. > > 3. rdiff-backup is a great disk-to-disk backup for low bandwidth (e.g. > high speed Internet) backup. Although I don't think it's suitable if you > have a lot notebooks, but if you have only one or two it may be worth a > try. It requires Cygwin, ssh, and rsync on Windows systems. You could > run a background task in Windows at login to do this silently. I'm not > sure what the results would be if it were interrupted. > > > -- > Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! > A Linux Conference for users by users. > -- > John Van Ostrand > Net Direct Inc. > > CTO, co-CEO > 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 > Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 > map > john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org > Ph: 866-883-1172 > ext.5102 > Linux Solutions / IBM > Hardware > Fx: 519-883-8533 > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 14:36:39 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:36:39 -0400 Subject: Backing up Window clients In-Reply-To: <1184590800.25342.324.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <200707151543.l6FFhr2S095482@localhost.generalconcepts.com> <1184590800.25342.324.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <7ac602420707160736t3829f3e7vfeb2c775d082390d@mail.gmail.com> On 7/16/07, John Van Ostrand wrote: > 3. rdiff-backup is a great disk-to-disk backup for low bandwidth (e.g. > high speed Internet) backup. Although I don't think it's suitable if you > have a lot notebooks, but if you have only one or two it may be worth a > try. It requires Cygwin, ssh, and rsync on Windows systems. You could > run a background task in Windows at login to do this silently. I'm not > sure what the results would be if it were interrupted. I'm using rdiff-backup to keep backups of my home Linux machines. It works beautifully. The home page is here: http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/ I used the following HOWTO as a model for how to set up a regular, unattended backup: http://arctic.org/~dean/rdiff-backup/unattended.html The error-handling policy is here: http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/error_policy.html According to the error-handling policy, interrupted backups are basically treated as having never happened. Apparently an interrupted backup is recognizable so the next backup will reset the destination to the previous known-good state before continuing. If you like, there's a command-line option to manually reset a destination directory between backups, which is mostly useful if you want to restore something from backup after an interrupted session because you can't reliably do so otherwise. In my case, I have a laptop configured to initiate a backup every time it boots (I'm going to change that so it doesn't do more than one backup per day). The destination directory is 9.5G, the backup is done over an 802.11b connection, and an incremental backup with changes totaling a couple of megs takes between 1 and 1.5 minutes. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 15:47:51 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:47:51 -0400 Subject: dvd writer speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070716154751.GU31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 05:48:41PM -0400, Martin Duclos wrote: > I recently replaced a dvd writer. The new one is an LG H22L from which I am > trying to burn dual layer dvd. The problem is the drive won't recognize the > proper burn speed of the media. The media is 2.4X and when I try to burn > with k3b it select 4X. I've tried from cdrecord and it still selects 4X. I > tried the to set -speed=1 to force a slower speed and I also tried -speed=0 > which is supposed to use the slowest speed of the drive but it still > insists on burning at 4X. I updated the firmware of the drive with the same > results. I also had a look at /etc/cdrecord.conf to set CDR_SPEED=1. So the > question is, is it possible to force the drive to operate at a speed of 1X? > I was thinking perhaps if I use hdparm to set the drive transfer mode to > something slower it might do what I expect but I'd rather have another way > around it. Does it burn broken discs if you leave it at 4x? After all many drive makers tests various media and set the speed in the drive's firmware based on what their tests indicate. So you might get 12 or 16x recording on media originally labeled 8x capable, because a drive maker foudn that their drive had no problems doing faster burns on that media. Most 18x or 20x drives have a selection of 16x media that they know supports the higher speed too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 16:00:14 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:00:14 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <4697E5D1.4020807-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070716160014.GV31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 04:51:29PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > I am upgrading my home recording studio. > > I need a linux-friendly PCI sound card with co-axial S/PDIF input that > will work in a PIII 733 MHz machine. > > Background: Unless I get better advice, I am going to get Focusrite's > Trakmaster Pro microphone preamplifier/compressor and their Platinum Pro > ADC add-on. I'll get these from Long & McQuade in Toronto. What L&McQ > can't help me with is a linux-friendly PCI sound card (for my PIII 733 > MHz processor PC) that has a digital in (co-axial S/PDIF). My PC > currently has the SoundBlaster Live 5.1 which does not have digital in > (let alone co-axial S/PDIF). Might not be the easiest thing to find. Many new motherboards come with spdif on the motherboard, so there isn't as much demand for cheap cards with that available. Most people using add in sound cards do it because they want some specific high end feature. My old SB Live Platinum has spdif coax, and the platinum 2 came with optical as well (which mine doesn't have). Both are very well supported by alsa. I don't know the state of support for the newer audigy or x-fi line, but I expect at least the audigys to be supported. Now for something impresive looking there is this: http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=011735&cid=SC Looking at the alsa development, there has been a number of checkins in cvs over the last few weeks relating to the cmi8788 chip, so at least support is being worked on, although it is probably still not complete at this time (perhaps in a month or two). One could always help out with debuging and testing. Something like an SB Audigy OEM card also supports spdif coax, although you need a 1/8" jack adapter to hook it up as far as I know. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 16:42:06 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:42:06 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <200707130937.53412.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20070716164206.GW31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 09:37:53AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Can anyone suggest a good miniature USB keyboard? A lot of servers these days > are coming with USB only (blades for example) so sometimes when I need a > keyboard it's tough to find. > > I'd like something not much bigger than a Blackberry, generally I only need > the keyboard for minimal setup (configuring remote console). Well there are small keyboards like this: http://www.powersonic.ca/shop/item.asp?itemid=829 But it is certainly larger than a blackberry. It is also possible to type on it which I woudl consider a bonus. What do you do for a screen? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 21:07:00 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:07:00 -0400 Subject: PC/104 Message-ID: Does anybody around has some experience with these toys? I once noticed this link in email of one of active participants of this list (I remember very well of whom, I am sorry not to remember the name): http://www.syscompdesign.com/mppkit.htm But thats not quite what i am looking for. My boss (he is very good in hardware but learns Linux from me rather) directed me to PC/104. I had some reading on the subject. But I do not still quite know how to approach it. Would it be difficult to assamble something with Linux running on it? This seems to be a big industry, perhaps well standardized ( http://www.pc104.org). Is it worth to invest time to learning these things? How that is related to embedded Linux in cell phones? Is there a job market for that kind of computer art? I am sure that there are people around with some related experience. I simply would like to play with it. Possibly in some not very far future I would also need that kind of knowledge in my work. zb. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 21:33:59 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:33:59 +0000 Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/16/07, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > My boss (he is very good in hardware but learns Linux from me rather) > directed me to PC/104. > > I had some reading on the subject. But I do not still quite know how to > approach it. > > Would it be difficult to assamble something with Linux running on it? > > This seems to be a big industry, perhaps well standardized > (http://www.pc104.org). > > Is it worth to invest time to learning these things? How that is related to > embedded Linux in cell phones? Is there a job market for that kind of > computer art? It's not related meaningfully to "Linux in cell phones;" the PC104 standard is a motherboard standard for motherboards that are about 3.6"x3.8" in size, which won't fit into most cell phones. PC104 gets used quite a lot for embedded and industrial computers that need to be "small but not tiny"; it is unlike the cell phone environment in that it is not *nearly* as constrained: - You've got a motherboard with ISA or PCI bus, and can often attach additional peripheral cards. Not at all an option with a cell phone sitting sealed in a case... - You've got a LOT more volume than is available in a cell phone, and so potentially can have a lot more RAM and disk. - You're probably running off an AC power supply, so that battery life is a non-issue. You probably have a LOT more CPU power than is available on a cell phone. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 22:00:13 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15964.74.98.136.37.1184623213.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > It's not related meaningfully to "Linux in cell phones;" the PC104 > standard is a motherboard standard for motherboards that are about > 3.6"x3.8" in size, which won't fit into most cell phones. > > PC104 gets used quite a lot for embedded and industrial computers that > need to be "small but not tiny"; it is unlike the cell phone > environment in that it is not *nearly* as constrained: > In addition, in favour of PC104: They have things like large RAM and solid-state disk drives on a periferal card, suitable enclosures and power supplies, all of which makes a nice mechanical package. They have specifically addressed issues such as temperature and vibration. (Whether a PC104 computer is *actually* more reliable than something off-the-shelf, I'm not sure.) Against: Because of smaller volume sales, PC104 hardware tends to be pricey and an equivalent commondity-based PC is much less expensive. (The last time I looked.) My impression is that code is directly portable from a desktop machine to a PC104 system, so there is very little learning curve. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 22:00:25 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <989233.10513.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Does anybody around has some experience with these > toys? Not directly, just what I have read in the technical press. > I once noticed this link in email of one of active > participants of this list > (I remember very well of whom, I am sorry not to > remember the name): > > http://www.syscompdesign.com/mppkit.htm That would be Peter Hiscocks. > But thats not quite what i am looking for. > > My boss (he is very good in hardware but learns > Linux from me rather) > directed me to PC/104. Basicly you are just talking a very small form factor PC aimed at industrial control / data logging type situations. If a "normal" PC could do the processing, but size is an issue then the PC/104 stuff can make sense. > I had some reading on the subject. But I do not > still quite know how to > approach it. > > Would it be difficult to assamble something with > Linux running on it? Should be fairly straight forward, Just get a PC/104 card (or cards) with CPU. memory, IO, etc. attach some storage (flash and/or hard drive) and go from there. > This seems to be a big industry, perhaps well > standardized ( > http://www.pc104.org). > > Is it worth to invest time to learning these things? > How that is related to > embedded Linux in cell phones? Is there a job market > for that kind of > computer art? Not related to cell phones (at least not directly, like any PC there could be usefull roles for these PCs in monitoring cell phone POPs, etc...), > I am sure that there are people around with some > related experience. I > simply would like to play with it. Possibly in some > not very far future I > would also need that kind of knowledge in my work. > > zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 22:07:21 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:07:21 -0400 Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070716220721.GX31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 05:07:00PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Does anybody around has some experience with these toys? > > I once noticed this link in email of one of active participants of this list > (I remember very well of whom, I am sorry not to remember the name): > > http://www.syscompdesign.com/mppkit.htm How can anyone call a 68HC11 powerful these days? Why not go for an arm, mips or powerPC instead. Way more powerful and easier to develop for. > But thats not quite what i am looking for. > > My boss (he is very good in hardware but learns Linux from me rather) > directed me to PC/104. > > I had some reading on the subject. But I do not still quite know how to > approach it. > > Would it be difficult to assamble something with Linux running on it? > > This seems to be a big industry, perhaps well standardized ( > http://www.pc104.org). It is quite common. It has some limitations, but it is used by many companies. For example cisco uses PC104+ for a few of their routers. It is not limited to just x86, although x86 is certainly the most common user of pc104+. Plan pc104 is hardly ever used since everyone wants PCI today. pci104 may start becoming the norm given many chipsets don't even support isa anymore. > Is it worth to invest time to learning these things? How that is related to > embedded Linux in cell phones? Is there a job market for that kind of > computer art? No relation to linux on a cell phone at all. pc104 is really just for embedded computers with various isa or pci add on cards stacked together and put in a box. They generally run fairly normal software given they tend to have 64MB or more RAM. Really embedded tiny systems would be purpose built and often have a lot less ram. > I am sure that there are people around with some related experience. I > simply would like to play with it. Possibly in some not very far future I > would also need that kind of knowledge in my work. Well the system I work on at work, involves a system on a board, with a lot of pins on some small connectors connecting to a custom mainboard with PCI and such on it. We looked at PC104 but decided the layout using stacked modules was completely hopeless for our needs. We run everything in a 1U box, which limits height. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 22:23:14 2007 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:23:14 -0400 Subject: Activism, resources Message-ID: <469BEFD2.5050906@rogers.com> Anyone out there involved in *nix & security from a social activism perspective that would care to share info on getting involved? I find it a happy co-incidence to finally regain interest just before any skills I might have left atrophy completely ;) Cheers, B -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 22:25:29 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: <20070716220721.GX31194-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070716220721.GX31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <15987.74.98.136.37.1184624729.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> >> http://www.syscompdesign.com/mppkit.htm > > How can anyone call a 68HC11 powerful these days? Why not go for an > arm, mips or powerPC instead. Way more powerful and easier to develop > for. > (Disclaimer: the MPPKit is our design. It's a teaching tool and useful in some complete systems, but there are better choices for many applications.) The arm, mips and powerPC have a very steep learning curve, depending on what you're trying to do. And they are appropriate for running a complex program, but not for some simple control tasks. For example, I recently came across a system where *everything* is controlled by a central PC board. This required complex multitasking real-time software running under Linux that was very difficult to debug. The genius who designed this has of course left the project. The PC software included such low-level tasks as operating a stepping motor and detecting when a shutter is closed. It's much better to partition the system into low-level tasks that are handled by microprocessors (not necessarily ours ;). The microprocessors then communicate with the master PC host via some sort of com link such as RS232 or CAN bus. So the PC issues a command to 'close the shutter' and then the microprocessor reports back when the shutter is closed. Very simple to implement and debug. In another case, the designers insisted that low-level hardware tasks be controlled via a PCI interface. The interface hardware is horrendously complicated and is going to be a nightmare to debug. A much better approach would be heirarchical hardware with a PC as the master controller and microprocessors doing the grunt work. A microprocessor is about $3 or less these days and anyone reading this could learn to program one in an hour or two. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 22:30:12 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:30:12 +0000 Subject: Activism, resources In-Reply-To: <469BEFD2.5050906-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <469BEFD2.5050906@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0707161530q2d5a302eg23c54df582f2b455@mail.gmail.com> Could you clarify what you might mean by "social activism?" Linux, with the GPL software in general, tends to float towards a concept of "Free, shared thinking" I'm not sure how this would apply in a security context though On 7/16/07, Byron Sonne wrote: > Anyone out there involved in *nix & security from a social activism > perspective that would care to share info on getting involved? I find it > a happy co-incidence to finally regain interest just before any skills I > might have left atrophy completely ;) > > Cheers, > B > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 16 23:21:42 2007 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:21:42 -0400 Subject: Activism, resources In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0707161530q2d5a302eg23c54df582f2b455-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <469BEFD2.5050906@rogers.com> <3a97ef0707161530q2d5a302eg23c54df582f2b455@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <469BFD86.3070603@rogers.com> > Could you clarify what you might mean by "social activism?" Linux, > with the GPL software in general, tends to float towards a concept of > "Free, shared thinking" Hm. Well, I'm thinking more of direction social action, but I don't wanna drag this too off topic (I probably should have put OT in the subject line). Using what we have in the free/oss/omgwtfbbq world as the tool kit, give organizations, fringe or otherwise, the ability to plan and communicate safely and effectively. How to perform assorted network and RF reconnaissance, reverse engineering and penetration stuff. Educate 'em in how to use & pass the knowledge & skills on. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 00:48:28 2007 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:48:28 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <20070716164206.GW31194-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20070716164206.GW31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200707162048.28842.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 16 July 2007 12:42:06 Lennart Sorensen wrote: > What do you do for a screen? Regular VGA. I'm mostly using this for on-site work with various servers (blades and rackmounts). Serial console is usually an option but plain old KV is less bother and always an option. -- Fraser Campbell Georgetown, Ontario, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 00:58:39 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:58:39 -0400 Subject: wmctrl Message-ID: <1e55af990707161758u6537c58ft633301949bfd9127@mail.gmail.com> http://sweb.cz/tripie/utils/wmctrl/ wmctrl lets you control windows at the commandline. I never did manage to figure it out.. until just now. It's really quite a wonderful piece of software and I highly recommend it! Since the man page is an impenetrable mess to a newbie, I wrote friendly documentation. It's mostly a rework of the man page and includes examples: http://jrandomhacker.info/Wmctrl_examples -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 02:31:53 2007 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:31:53 -0400 Subject: Nokia 770s cheap Message-ID: <1f13df280707161931r170d9fe2u1e3c98e3588edea2@mail.gmail.com> There's been some talk of the Nokia 770 recently, so I thought I would offer this URL: http://www.expansys.ca/p.aspx?i=141019&se=247 I am in no way associated with this company and haven't bought from them before, so I can't say anything about their service. But at $186.61 all in (includes taxes and shipping) this strikes me as a pretty good deal and I've ordered two - the other being for my brother. The per unit cost goes down as you order more because the $30 shipping charge doesn't increase. They claim to have more than 1100 in stock, so they won't be running out soon. Who knows, if you wait the price might go down further. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 03:20:42 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Activism, resources In-Reply-To: <469BFD86.3070603-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <469BFD86.3070603@rogers.com> Message-ID: <779896.8019.qm@web88213.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Byron Sonne wrote: > > Could you clarify what you might mean by "social > activism?" Linux, > > with the GPL software in general, tends to float > towards a concept of > > "Free, shared thinking" > > Hm. Well, I'm thinking more of direction social > action, but I don't > wanna drag this too off topic (I probably should > have put OT in the > subject line). > > Using what we have in the free/oss/omgwtfbbq world > as the tool kit, give > organizations, fringe or otherwise, the ability to > plan and communicate > safely and effectively. How to perform assorted > network and RF > reconnaissance, reverse engineering and penetration > stuff. Educate 'em > in how to use & pass the knowledge & skills on. Well, two non-profit groups that use Linux already are the Toronto Free-Net and Wireless Toronto. Both groups have people who are GTALug and/or Unix Unanimous regulars so I am not sure what more from the GTALug side can be done for these folks... Not sure what to suggest regarding other groups... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 07:21:14 2007 From: cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Charles philip Chan) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:21:14 -0400 Subject: wmctrl In-Reply-To: <1e55af990707161758u6537c58ft633301949bfd9127-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> (Sy Ali's message of "Mon\, 16 Jul 2007 20\:58\:39 -0400") References: <1e55af990707161758u6537c58ft633301949bfd9127@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87k5szbimt.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> "Sy Ali" writes: > wmctrl lets you control windows at the commandline. Thanks for the link. This looks very useful. Charles -- fs_dprintk (FS_DEBUG_INIT, "Ha! Initialized OK!\n"); linux-2.6.6/drivers/atm/firestream.c -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 12:09:07 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:09:07 -0400 Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: <15987.74.98.136.37.1184624729.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <20070716220721.GX31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <15987.74.98.136.37.1184624729.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20070717120907.GY31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 06:25:29PM -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > (Disclaimer: the MPPKit is our design. It's a teaching tool and useful in > some complete systems, but there are better choices for many > applications.) I just found the line on the web page 'Based on the powerful Motorola 68HC11 E1 CFN2 microprocessor' to seem rather ridiculous. 25 or 30 years ago that would have made sense. Today it may be flexible and useful, but I sure wouldn't call it powerful. I am also not sure that advertising 'over 500 sold' is actually going to help sales. It sounds like the thing hardly sells at all to be honest. > The arm, mips and powerPC have a very steep learning curve, depending on > what you're trying to do. And they are appropriate for running a complex > program, but not for some simple control tasks. Of course. > For example, I recently came across a system where *everything* is > controlled by a central PC board. This required complex multitasking > real-time software running under Linux that was very difficult to debug. > The genius who designed this has of course left the project. The PC > software included such low-level tasks as operating a stepping motor and > detecting when a shutter is closed. Linux wasn't designed for real time at all. Some people try to make it work for it, but I am not sure it will ever be a good fit for that. > It's much better to partition the system into low-level tasks that are > handled by microprocessors (not necessarily ours ;). The microprocessors > then communicate with the master PC host via some sort of com link such as > RS232 or CAN bus. So the PC issues a command to 'close the shutter' and > then the microprocessor reports back when the shutter is closed. Very > simple to implement and debug. In a lot of cases people are using FPGAs to do small complex tasks which a host PC deals with the world in general. > In another case, the designers insisted that low-level hardware tasks be > controlled via a PCI interface. The interface hardware is horrendously > complicated and is going to be a nightmare to debug. A much better > approach would be heirarchical hardware with a PC as the master controller > and microprocessors doing the grunt work. PCI certainly is complex and complex to route. It does have a lot of bandwidth though, and a lot of supported devices and almost every modern chipset supports it. > A microprocessor is about $3 or less these days and anyone reading this > could learn to program one in an hour or two. Sure. Very useful devices for small jobs. I still don't consider them powerful processors. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 12:10:15 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:10:15 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <200707162048.28842.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20070716164206.GW31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200707162048.28842.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20070717121015.GZ31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 08:48:28PM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Regular VGA. I'm mostly using this for on-site work with various servers > (blades and rackmounts). Serial console is usually an option but plain old > KV is less bother and always an option. So do you carry around a small LCD vga screen or is there already one present? If a screen is already present why isn't a keyboard? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ican-rZHaEmXdJNJWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 13:07:02 2007 From: ican-rZHaEmXdJNJWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (bob) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:07:02 -0400 Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: <20070717120907.GY31194-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <15987.74.98.136.37.1184624729.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20070717120907.GY31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200707170907.03152.ican@netrover.com> > > > The arm, mips and powerPC have a very steep learning curve, depending on > > what you're trying to do. And they are appropriate for running a complex > > program, but not for some simple control tasks. > > Of course. > > > For example, I recently came across a system where *everything* is > > controlled by a central PC board. This required complex multitasking > > real-time software running under Linux that was very difficult to debug. > > The genius who designed this has of course left the project. The PC > > software included such low-level tasks as operating a stepping motor and > > detecting when a shutter is closed. > > Linux wasn't designed for real time at all. Some people try to make it > work for it, but I am not sure it will ever be a good fit for that. > > > It's much better to partition the system into low-level tasks that are > > handled by microprocessors (not necessarily ours ;). The microprocessors > > then communicate with the master PC host via some sort of com link such > > as RS232 or CAN bus. So the PC issues a command to 'close the shutter' > > and then the microprocessor reports back when the shutter is closed. Very > > simple to implement and debug. > I can add my 2cents worth to this discussion. I have found the approach espoused by Peter above to be exactly right when are talking about custom data acquisition projects in the 50-10000 I/O point range. One of my associates makes a hugely capable, low power, network appliance for I/O (www.io-anywhere.ca) based entirely on the 8bit Rabbit microprocessor. I'm continually amazed at the capabilites that can be rammed into that appliance. The time to market for custom systems based on a Linux server and a network of smart dedicated appliances can't be beat. A few years back I had first hand experience with one of my clients. The client was convinced that his polling RS485 application was best served by a PC-104 based controller with a Pentium classed microprocessor, a custom 4 port serial card and a custom 485 driver/handler. They invested more than 2 man years getting all this operational. A skunk work project with a stock IOA took about 2 man weeks to string together, including some customizations to the on board firmware. Not only did the IOA plug and play with the Linux server and the existing software, it offered several other features such as 485 line cut protection and 485 autodetect ... and came in at a much superior cost point per 485 point. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 15:52:38 2007 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:52:38 -0400 Subject: dvd writer speed In-Reply-To: <20070716154751.GU31194-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070716154751.GU31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 05:48:41PM -0400, Martin Duclos wrote: > I recently replaced a dvd writer. The new one is an LG H22L from which I am > trying to burn dual layer dvd. The problem is the drive won't recognize the > proper burn speed of the media. The media is 2.4X and when I try to burn > with k3b it select 4X. I've tried from cdrecord and it still selects 4X. I > tried the to set -speed=1 to force a slower speed and I also tried -speed=0 > which is supposed to use the slowest speed of the drive but it still > insists on burning at 4X. I updated the firmware of the drive with the same > results. I also had a look at /etc/cdrecord.conf to set CDR_SPEED=1. So the > question is, is it possible to force the drive to operate at a speed of 1X? > I was thinking perhaps if I use hdparm to set the drive transfer mode to > something slower it might do what I expect but I'd rather have another way > around it. Does it burn broken discs if you leave it at 4x? After all many drive makers tests various media and set the speed in the drive's firmware based on what their tests indicate. So you might get 12 or 16x recording on media originally labeled 8x capable, because a drive maker foudn that their drive had no problems doing faster burns on that media. Most 18x or 20x drives have a selection of 16x media that they know supports the higher speed too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists I suppose I never mentionned why I wanted to burn at slower speed. What's been happening is on dual layer dvd, when burned at 4X will reliably create a coaster every single time. I tried a few disks because at first I though I ran into a bad one. After 3 tries I started thinking I had a problem. I had an older drive that would burn the dl dvd fine but i replaced it with a lightscribe capable drive. I since dropped that older dvd drive on the floor and it doesn't work anymore. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is the next generation of MSN Hotmail.?? It??s fast, simple, and safer than ever and best of all ?? it??s still free. Try it today! www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA146 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 16:49:53 2007 From: lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:49:53 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Performance Question Message-ID: <380-220077217164953380@M2W026.mail2web.com> > LPC is software compatible with ISA although very different in hardware. > Generally this is where hardware monitor chios, the BIOS, and a few > other things are connected. Even your serial/parallel ports are still > connected through a virtual isa/lpc bus even though they are inside the > chipset. Just leaves things compatible with what software expects. > > As for why the P3 doesn't list such things, well maybe it doesn't have > whatever interface lshw uses to determine such things. Looks like is > uses DMI for that, which older machines often didn't have or had pretty > minimal information in. > > -- > Len Sorensen You depth of knowledge always amazes me. Thank you for your help. Ladislav -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 16:59:50 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:59:50 -0400 Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts Message-ID: <469CF586.1060408@alteeve.com> Hi all, I'm using Debian and Apache2, which uses individual files for virtual hosts. Currently, if any one of the VH containers are misconfigured, Apache2 as a whole won't come back up on restart or will fail on reload. I am writing a management console for our customers who host with us, and I would like to allow them to edit their own VH container file. I worry though that a user will make a mistake and take the whole web server down. Is there a way anyone knows up that I can tell Apache to disregard a misconfigured VH container (possibly send an alert) and continue loading the rest of the virtual hosts? Thanks! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 17:07:17 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:07:17 -0400 Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <469CF586.1060408-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <469CF586.1060408@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <469CF745.3020209@utoronto.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm using Debian and Apache2, which uses individual files for virtual > hosts. Currently, if any one of the VH containers are misconfigured, > Apache2 as a whole won't come back up on restart or will fail on reload. > > I am writing a management console for our customers who host with us, > and I would like to allow them to edit their own VH container file. I > worry though that a user will make a mistake and take the whole web > server down. > > Is there a way anyone knows up that I can tell Apache to disregard a > misconfigured VH container (possibly send an alert) and continue loading > the rest of the virtual hosts? Try apache2ctl -S to at least get an idea if the syntax is correct. If not, maybe a conditional to restore the config(s) from a backed up known working copy? How about a gui point and click check/radio box type interface for various options? That way your script controls the input but the user gets to choose their options. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 17:08:17 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:08:17 -0400 Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <469CF586.1060408-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <469CF586.1060408@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20070717170817.GB13341@watson-wilson.ca> Perhaps you'll need to run a configtest to determine which files are good. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#include -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 9 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 17:08:26 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:08:26 -0400 Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <469CF586.1060408-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <469CF586.1060408@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1184692106.25342.446.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 12:59 -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > Is there a way anyone knows up that I can tell Apache to disregard a > misconfigured VH container (possibly send an alert) and continue loading > the rest of the virtual hosts? One solution is to run a "apachectl configtest". It doesn't detect missing Log directories and may miss other things but it would get you part way there. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux conference for users by users. http://onlinux.ca -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 x5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fax: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 17:11:34 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:11:34 -0400 Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <469CF745.3020209-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <469CF586.1060408@alteeve.com> <469CF745.3020209@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <469CF846.4090508@alteeve.com> Jamon Camisso wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm using Debian and Apache2, which uses individual files for >> virtual hosts. Currently, if any one of the VH containers are >> misconfigured, Apache2 as a whole won't come back up on restart or >> will fail on reload. >> >> I am writing a management console for our customers who host with >> us, and I would like to allow them to edit their own VH container >> file. I worry though that a user will make a mistake and take the >> whole web server down. >> >> Is there a way anyone knows up that I can tell Apache to disregard a >> misconfigured VH container (possibly send an alert) and continue >> loading the rest of the virtual hosts? > > Try apache2ctl -S to at least get an idea if the syntax is correct. If > not, maybe a conditional to restore the config(s) from a backed up known > working copy? > > How about a gui point and click check/radio box type interface for > various options? That way your script controls the input but the user > gets to choose their options. > > Jamon I can certainly try validating the syntax first, but was still hoping to set Apache2 to ignore defective VH containers, "just in case". :) I was thinking about restricting the simple interface options like you mentioned, but our clients are, generally speaking, fairly technically literate. Certainly any who would want to edit their VH container would be. So I want to give them as much flexibility as possible. If I can't find a way to adequately guard Apache2 against misconfigurations though, I will have to do this. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 17:19:10 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:19:10 -0400 Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <1184692106.25342.446.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <469CF586.1060408@alteeve.com> <1184692106.25342.446.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <469CFA0E.7010101@utoronto.ca> John Van Ostrand wrote: > On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 12:59 -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: >> Is there a way anyone knows up that I can tell Apache to disregard a >> misconfigured VH container (possibly send an alert) and continue loading >> the rest of the virtual hosts? > > One solution is to run a "apachectl configtest". It doesn't detect > missing Log directories and may miss other things but it would get you > part way there. > Debian calls that binary apache2ctl, --configtest is a good idea in addition to -S. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 17:30:43 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:30:43 -0400 Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <469CFA0E.7010101-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <469CF586.1060408@alteeve.com> <1184692106.25342.446.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <469CFA0E.7010101@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1184693443.25342.448.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 13:19 -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Debian calls that binary apache2ctl, --configtest is a good idea in > addition to -S. That's my Fedora accent. Thanks for the clarification. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux Conference for users by users. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 17:31:54 2007 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <469CF586.1060408-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <469CF586.1060408@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <955620.88130.qm@web88101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Madison Kelly wrote: I am writing a management console for our customers who host with us, and I would like to allow them to edit their own VH container file. I worry though that a user will make a mistake and take the whole web server down. Is there a way anyone knows up that I can tell Apache to disregard a misconfigured VH container (possibly send an alert) and continue loading the rest of the virtual hosts? Even if you do get the control over Apache that you would like, you should still be doing bulletproof validation to your customer's form data. First make sure the data is in a form that you expect. Then, you don't want them touching the document root, and really just want to let them specify some file names. Or am I missing something? Before writing the file, check existence, permissions, etc. Your users will prefer an error message to a performance failure. Stephen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 17:44:12 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:44:12 -0400 Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <955620.88130.qm-dwIQhI7JidyB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <955620.88130.qm@web88101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <469CFFEC.7030303@alteeve.com> Stephen wrote: > Even if you do get the control over Apache that you would like, you should still be doing bulletproof validation to your customer's form data. First make sure the data is in a form that you expect. > > Then, you don't want them touching the document root, and really just want to let them specify some file names. Or am I missing something? > > Before writing the file, check existence, permissions, etc. Your users will prefer an error message to a performance failure. > > Stephen Well, as I mentioned in my reply to Jamon, I wanted to tell Apache2 to only fail misconfigured domains as a safety measure. I will run apache2ctl, as an initial check, but as John V.O. mentioned, this isn't completely safe, either. I can do my own validation of a given config, but to do so would limit what the client could do and it would be limited to my knowledge of Apache2, which isn't as in depth as I would like. Obviously document root, script alias and log directory will not be editable, but the permissions and setting will be (if I can find a safe way to do this). So my original question; How to prevent Apache2 from completely failing on a single VH container error, still stands. I want to make sure that each domain/user is isolated as much as possible from the mistakes of others while forcing the fewest number of restrictions. :) Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 17:46:21 2007 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <469CF846.4090508-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <469CF846.4090508@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <361519.84009.qm@web61321.mail.yahoo.com> --- Madison Kelly wrote: > Jamon Camisso wrote: > > Madison Kelly wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I'm using Debian and Apache2, which uses individual files for > >> virtual hosts. Currently, if any one of the VH containers are > >> misconfigured, Apache2 as a whole won't come back up on restart > or > >> will fail on reload. > >> > >> I am writing a management console for our customers who host > with > >> us, and I would like to allow them to edit their own VH > container > >> file. I worry though that a user will make a mistake and take > the > >> whole web server down. > >> > >> Is there a way anyone knows up that I can tell Apache to > disregard a > >> misconfigured VH container (possibly send an alert) and continue > > >> loading the rest of the virtual hosts? > > > > Try apache2ctl -S to at least get an idea if the syntax is > correct. If > > not, maybe a conditional to restore the config(s) from a backed > up known > > working copy? > > > > How about a gui point and click check/radio box type interface > for > > various options? That way your script controls the input but the > user > > gets to choose their options. > > > > Jamon > > I can certainly try validating the syntax first, but was still > hoping to > set Apache2 to ignore defective VH containers, "just in case". :) > > I was thinking about restricting the simple interface options like > you > mentioned, but our clients are, generally speaking, fairly > technically > literate. Certainly any who would want to edit their VH container > would > be. So I want to give them as much flexibility as possible. If I > can't > find a way to adequately guard Apache2 against misconfigurations > though, > I will have to do this. > > Madi > -- You can delete the soft link in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled which is a link to the actual configuration file in /etc/apache2/sites-available if there is a problem with a configuration which you can check using apache2ctl -S. You can restore the link on the next edit after making sure that the configuration is alright. Apache loads the sites in the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled directory. That is how I do it on Ubuntu. Hope that helps. EK > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 17:50:06 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:50:06 -0400 Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <361519.84009.qm-8lBamntEHYSA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <361519.84009.qm@web61321.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <469D014E.5040907@alteeve.com> E K wrote: > You can delete the soft link in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled which is a > link to the actual configuration file in /etc/apache2/sites-available > if there is a problem with a configuration which you can check using > apache2ctl -S. You can restore the link on the next edit after making > sure that the configuration is alright. > > Apache loads the sites in the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled directory. > > That is how I do it on Ubuntu. > > Hope that helps. > > EK This would work, true. Though it relies on apache2ctl being correct, which as John V.O. mentioned, isn't always the case. If there were an undetected error I could recover from the crash by deleting the symlink to the offending VH container file and restarting as you suggest, but that still means that Apache2 would go down for X amount of time (however short that may be). This is what I want to avoid, and why I keep coming back to trying to find a way to tell apache2 not to fail all on one bad config. :) Sorry for the stubbornness! :P Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 18:10:55 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:10:55 -0400 Subject: dvd writer speed In-Reply-To: References: <20070716154751.GU31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070717181055.GA24544@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 11:52:38AM -0400, Martin Duclos wrote: > I suppose I never mentionned why I wanted to burn at slower speed. What's > been happening is on dual layer dvd, when burned at 4X will reliably create > a coaster every single time. I tried a few disks because at first I though > I ran into a bad one. After 3 tries I started thinking I had a problem. I > had an older drive that would burn the dl dvd fine but i replaced it with a > lightscribe capable drive. I since dropped that older dvd drive on the > floor and it doesn't work anymore. I had one box of media that burned really badly. Updated the drive firmware to the latest version, and suddenly every burn was perfect on that media. So check that your drive is running the latest firmware. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 19:54:22 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:54:22 -0400 Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <1184693443.25342.448.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <469CF586.1060408@alteeve.com> <1184692106.25342.446.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <469CFA0E.7010101@utoronto.ca> <1184693443.25342.448.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <469D1E6E.2030606@utoronto.ca> John Van Ostrand wrote: > On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 13:19 -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > >> Debian calls that binary apache2ctl, --configtest is a good idea in >> addition to -S. > > > That's my Fedora accent. Thanks for the clarification. > It's funny, I find myself using apachectl rhel/centos/fedora etc. all the time since the config files/directories and such *seem* less well organized than Debian. Whereas with Debian I find I use it less. Dunno why. I guess so many people have a monolithic httpd.conf with vhosts it's a sanity check compared to looking at a single site.conf and using a2ensite. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 20:07:40 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:07:40 -0400 Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <469D1E6E.2030606-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <469CF586.1060408@alteeve.com> <1184692106.25342.446.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <469CFA0E.7010101@utoronto.ca> <1184693443.25342.448.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <469D1E6E.2030606@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1184702860.25342.514.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 15:54 -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > It's funny, I find myself using apachectl rhel/centos/fedora etc. all > the time since the config files/directories and such *seem* less well > organized than Debian. Whereas with Debian I find I use it less. Dunno > why. I guess so many people have a monolithic httpd.conf with vhosts > it's a sanity check compared to looking at a single site.conf and using > a2ensite. We tend to use the initscripts versions "service httpd configtest" even though we regularly use conf.d style configuration. And I don't think Fedora has e2ensite. That's a shame, it looks handy. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux conference for users by users. http://onlinux.ca -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 x5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fax: 519-883-8533 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 20:15:24 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:15:24 -0400 Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <1184702860.25342.514.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <469CF586.1060408@alteeve.com> <1184692106.25342.446.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <469CFA0E.7010101@utoronto.ca> <1184693443.25342.448.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <469D1E6E.2030606@utoronto.ca> <1184702860.25342.514.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <469D235C.6080707@utoronto.ca> John Van Ostrand wrote: > On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 15:54 -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: >> It's funny, I find myself using apachectl rhel/centos/fedora etc. all >> the time since the config files/directories and such *seem* less well >> organized than Debian. Whereas with Debian I find I use it less. Dunno >> why. I guess so many people have a monolithic httpd.conf with vhosts >> it's a sanity check compared to looking at a single site.conf and using >> a2ensite. > > We tend to use the initscripts versions "service httpd configtest" even > though we regularly use conf.d style configuration. > > And I don't think Fedora has e2ensite. That's a shame, it looks handy. You can copy a2ensite into a fedora installation and run it, you'd need directories in place though. Symlinks for directory layout might do the trick. Myles B. also set it up with lighttpd and that worked nicely. Probably too much complication though. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 20:38:04 2007 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:38:04 -0400 Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <469D235C.6080707-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <469CF586.1060408@alteeve.com> <1184692106.25342.446.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <469CFA0E.7010101@utoronto.ca> <1184693443.25342.448.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <469D1E6E.2030606@utoronto.ca> <1184702860.25342.514.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <469D235C.6080707@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: I usually just use /usr/sbin/httpd -f $fullyPathedHttpdConf -t to test that the httpd.conf configuration is OK, rather than using apachectl or any of the other other tools. Simple, works for me. And if everything checks out, then I use /usr/sbin/httpd -f $fullyPathedHttpdConf -k start to fire up the web server, and netstat -at | grep LISTEN to make sure that httpd is listening on the port that I expect. Finally, I use openssl from another machine (inside and outside the firewall) to make sure the web server is answering in HTTPS .. openssl s_client -connect $host:$port is a good test for that. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 22:59:12 2007 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:59:12 -0400 Subject: dvd writer speed In-Reply-To: <20070717181055.GA24544-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070717181055.GA24544@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 11:52:38AM -0400, Martin Duclos wrote: > I suppose I never mentionned why I wanted to burn at slower speed. What's > been happening is on dual layer dvd, when burned at 4X will reliably create > a coaster every single time. I tried a few disks because at first I though > I ran into a bad one. After 3 tries I started thinking I had a problem. I > had an older drive that would burn the dl dvd fine but i replaced it with a > lightscribe capable drive. I since dropped that older dvd drive on the > floor and it doesn't work anymore. I had one box of media that burned really badly. Updated the drive firmware to the latest version, and suddenly every burn was perfect on that media. So check that your drive is running the latest firmware. -- Len Sorensen -- I did update the firmware to the latest version. To me it looks like the firmware doesn't recognize the media. For some reason, it won't listen when I say write at a slower speed. Anyhow, I bought a LiteOn drive and installed it. DL DVD burn fine now and it does burn at the speed I tell it to (2.4X) even if it does suggest to write at 4X. Not the ideal solution. _________________________________________________________________ Tell us your tech love story in the Summer Lovin Competition for your chance to win laptop loaded with Windows Vista, Office 2007 and Windows Live OneCare. http://www.microsoft.com/canada/home/contests/summerlovin/default.aspx -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 23:05:50 2007 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:05:50 -0400 Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <469CF586.1060408-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <469CF586.1060408@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Hi, How about a simple script to commit the chages, do the sanity check of the config and load the new config. If apache returns an error, show the error to the user and revert back to original configs. That would limit the down time to a few seconds. My 2 cents. Martin Hi all, I'm using Debian and Apache2, which uses individual files for virtual hosts. Currently, if any one of the VH containers are misconfigured, Apache2 as a whole won't come back up on restart or will fail on reload. I am writing a management console for our customers who host with us, and I would like to allow them to edit their own VH container file. I worry though that a user will make a mistake and take the whole web server down. Is there a way anyone knows up that I can tell Apache to disregard a misconfigured VH container (possibly send an alert) and continue loading the rest of the virtual hosts? Thanks! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists _________________________________________________________________ Tell us your tech love story in the Summer Lovin Competition for your chance to win laptop loaded with Windows Vista, Office 2007 and Windows Live OneCare. http://www.microsoft.com/canada/home/contests/summerlovin/default.aspx -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 23:18:43 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:18:43 -0400 Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <469D4E53.3060605@alteeve.com> Martin Duclos wrote: > Hi, > How about a simple script to commit the chages, do the sanity check of > the config and load the new config. If apache returns an error, show the > error to the user and revert back to original configs. That would limit > the down time to a few seconds. > My 2 cents. > Martin That would work, but it would still cause server down time (short though it may be). If it's at all possible, I'd still like to have the server not crash but rather just refuse to load the offending VH container... Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 17 23:33:17 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:33:17 -0400 Subject: The Internet Has Crashed Message-ID: <469D51BD.4010707@rogers.com> http://www.maniacworld.com/the-internet-has-crashed.html -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 12:41:42 2007 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:41:42 +0300 Subject: GNU mailman configuration for multiple domain Message-ID: Hi all, I have googled for a couple of days on the changes I need to do to make mailman handle multiple domain with no luck. I wonder if someone here can offer a helping hand. The setup is on RHEL4, and exim 4 is the MTA. Mailman is currently running and handling one domain's mailing list well. However, since the MTA is configured with virtual domains, and a couple of those domain exist, I would love the flexibility of having a list on any of these domains. I have tried monkeying with mm_cfg.py file, but I have to be doing something wrong, as the changes don't seem to be helping. These is what I thought should fix it DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'pop.example.com' #DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'example.com' VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'pop.example.com':'example.com','pop.example.org':'example.org'} add_virtualhost('pop.example.com','example.com') add_virtualhost('pop.example.org','example.org') This I thought was enough, but every list I have created get example.com domain. This is despite invoking newlist command as below /var/mailman/bin/newlist meetings-hcDgGtZH8xNAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org I will get meeting-hcDgGtZH8xNBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Anything I could be overlooking please? Regards William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 14:29:12 2007 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <469D4E53.3060605-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <469D4E53.3060605@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <625602.35104.qm@web61320.mail.yahoo.com> --- Madison Kelly wrote: > Martin Duclos wrote: > > Hi, > > How about a simple script to commit the chages, do the sanity > check of > > the config and load the new config. If apache returns an error, > show the > > error to the user and revert back to original configs. That would > limit > > the down time to a few seconds. > > My 2 cents. > > Martin > > That would work, but it would still cause server down time (short > though > it may be). If it's at all possible, I'd still like to have the > server > not crash but rather just refuse to load the offending VH > container... > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Hi Madison, What is the problem with apache2ctl -S (or apache2ctl configtest or apache2 -t) to test the syntax. I have never come across syntax error that was not detected by apache2ctl which caused apache2 to fail. I would very much like to see one. On the other hand I don't see the over head of such a simple line of codes if [ {`netstat -l | grep www | cut -c 1`}={} ] then rm $link2errorconf apache2ctl start fi in a script to handle those unlikely errors that apache2ctl -S does not detect. EK Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 14:50:33 2007 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:50:33 -0400 Subject: Mini USB keyboards In-Reply-To: <20070717121015.GZ31194-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200707130937.53412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <200707162048.28842.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20070717121015.GZ31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200707181050.33274.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 17 July 2007 08:10:15 Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 08:48:28PM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > Regular VGA. I'm mostly using this for on-site work with various servers > > (blades and rackmounts). Serial console is usually an option but plain > > old KV is less bother and always an option. > > So do you carry around a small LCD vga screen or is there already one > present? If a screen is already present why isn't a keyboard? Good question ;-) 2 problems: * data centers haven't quite caught up with hardware yet, most crash carts have only PS/2 * there might be USB keyboard somewhere but they belong to other fiefdoms The small LCD panel might be next, cool idea, wonder if I can get that with a 9-volt battery? -- Fraser Campbell Georgetown, Ontario, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 15:25:11 2007 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:25:11 +0200 Subject: Nokia 770s cheap In-Reply-To: <1f13df280707161931r170d9fe2u1e3c98e3588edea2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280707161931r170d9fe2u1e3c98e3588edea2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <469E30D7.2090405@visible-assets.com> This is me drooling ... It's hard for me to decide whether to buy one of these or an OpenMoko/Neo ... but I think purely because of the phone capabilities I would probably choose the latter. The screen on the nokia 770 is beautiful though, give it emacs or vi, a terminal, and a mini-usb keyboard (likely all are already there), and it's everything that I would need for a portable development platform. ~/Chris Giles Orr wrote: > There's been some talk of the Nokia 770 recently, so I thought I would > offer this URL: > > http://www.expansys.ca/p.aspx?i=141019&se=247 > > I am in no way associated with this company and haven't bought from > them before, so I can't say anything about their service. But at > $186.61 all in (includes taxes and shipping) this strikes me as a > pretty good deal and I've ordered two - the other being for my > brother. The per unit cost goes down as you order more because the > $30 shipping charge doesn't increase. They claim to have more than > 1100 in stock, so they won't be running out soon. Who knows, if you > wait the price might go down further. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 15:27:20 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:27:20 -0400 Subject: dvd writer speed In-Reply-To: References: <20070717181055.GA24544@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070718152720.GB24544@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 06:59:12PM -0400, Martin Duclos wrote: > I did update the firmware to the latest version. To me it looks like the > firmware doesn't recognize the media. For some reason, it won't listen when > I say write at a slower speed. Anyhow, I bought a LiteOn drive and > installed it. DL DVD burn fine now and it does burn at the speed I tell it > to (2.4X) even if it does suggest to write at 4X. Not the ideal solution. Well I us a PX760 personally, which seems fine with everything. Also happens to be very easy to upgrade firmware on (and doesn't require windows to do it). Either use pxfw from linux (what I do) or burn a special CD that you boot in the drive that then updates the firmware (great for those with some totally weird OS with no support for firmware updates). The PX-Premium, the PX708, 716, and a number of other models can also be updated with either pxfw or pxupdate. The 740 surprisingly can not. Sure they cost 2 or 3 times as much as an LG or liteon or pioneer, but they also have more features, can be updated without using windows, and tend to be quicker about adding support for new media types. They also last longer in my exprience, although I think drives are getting more reliable these days. I remember the HP and mitsumi CD burners that you were lucky if they lastes 100 or 200 burns. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 15:44:20 2007 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:44:20 +0200 Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <469E3554.3040505@visible-assets.com> Check out www.embeddedarm.com ... the hardware is excellent and very good for entry level embedded stuff. I would say that the MPP board is not related at all to Linux running in cell phones. The MPP board has a completely different market, and would be programmed in assembler, or gcc-m68k if you feel daring. If you used gcc-m68k you would have to compile everything statically - much like the linux kernel. The MPP board is intended for educational purposes - that is, instrumentation and data acuisition - mainly for electrical engineering students. However, it is possible to get uClinux to run on the MPP board from what I hear through the grapevine. Forget any sort of filesystem, forget the TCP/IP stack, forget a scheduler, etc. You have pinouts and a serial port. It would be the least sophisticated Linux port you've ever seen - that's not saying that it wouldn't be damn cool to port it :) And the hardware design for the MPP board was also excellent for it's purpose :) Speaking as someone who's programmed for the MPP board, the embedded arm devices above, and soon, the OpenMoko/Neo, I would suggest buying an OpenMoko if you're interested in programming cell phones running linux. ~/Chris Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Does anybody around has some experience with these toys? > > I once noticed this link in email of one of active participants of this > list > (I remember very well of whom, I am sorry not to remember the name): > > http://www.syscompdesign.com/mppkit.htm > > But thats not quite what i am looking for. > > My boss (he is very good in hardware but learns Linux from me rather) > directed me to PC/104. > > I had some reading on the subject. But I do not still quite know how to > approach it. > > Would it be difficult to assamble something with Linux running on it? > > This seems to be a big industry, perhaps well standardized ( > http://www.pc104.org). > > Is it worth to invest time to learning these things? How that is related to > embedded Linux in cell phones? Is there a job market for that kind of > computer art? > > I am sure that there are people around with some related experience. I > simply would like to play with it. Possibly in some not very far future I > would also need that kind of knowledge in my work. > > zb. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 15:45:41 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:45:41 -0400 Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <469E35A5.4070403@ve3syb.ca> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > My boss (he is very good in hardware but learns Linux from me rather) > directed me to PC/104. What are you trying/wanting to do which made your boss suggest using a PC/104 based solution? You (and those of us on this list) need to understand the problem before a possible solution can be found. > Would it be difficult to assamble something with Linux running on it? You don't need to assemble anything unless you are talking about designing and building your own board. There are boards you can buy off the shelf which run Linux. On the table beside me I have a PC/104 type board which has a 200 MHz ARM processor on it. The board as supplied by the manufacturer came with Linux installed. It even had telnet, ftp, and http daemons running on it. > Is it worth to invest time to learning these things? How that is related > to embedded Linux in cell phones? Is there a job market for that kind of > computer art? Again, it depends on what you want/need to do. If you have a board that runs Linux, there isn't much you need to know other than doing program development for Linux. If you are doing an embedded systems type app (as I am now), then an understanding of electronics can come in handy when you deal with writing code that interfaces to various types of harwdware on-board the CPU and/or devices attached to the CPU. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 15:47:16 2007 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:47:16 -0400 Subject: The Internet Has Crashed In-Reply-To: <469D51BD.4010707-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <469D51BD.4010707@rogers.com> Message-ID: <469E3604.2040200@rogers.com> > http://www.maniacworld.com/the-internet-has-crashed.html LOL f--king justin timberlake, knew he wasn't good for anything! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 16:10:04 2007 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:10:04 +0200 Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: <20070717120907.GY31194-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070716220721.GX31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <15987.74.98.136.37.1184624729.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20070717120907.GY31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <469E3B5C.4090308@visible-assets.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I just found the line on the web page 'Based on the powerful Motorola > 68HC11 E1 CFN2 microprocessor' to seem rather ridiculous. 25 or 30 > years ago that would have made sense. Today it may be flexible and > useful, but I sure wouldn't call it powerful. I am also not sure that > advertising 'over 500 sold' is actually going to help sales. It sounds > like the thing hardly sells at all to be honest. Sorry to disagree, but having worked w/ the MPP board, as well as some pretty powerful embedded devices, I would never trade that experience for anything else. I learned more with that device about general instrumentation than I would have if we'd have used a more advanced device, which was exactly the purpose. The 500 sold is also in a very small market - probably 4 college / university courses with only a handful of people in them every year, for a few years is pretty good for not having any marketing campaigns. > Sure. Very useful devices for small jobs. I still don't consider them > powerful processors. :) The 68HC12 paired with a 56k DSP (a la coldfire) is still a fairly powerful piece of equipment - powerful enough to do frame routing for HDTV signals at high speeds, and also probably _quite_ less expensive for dev / production / manufacturing costs. Moreover, the 6812 is only 4 times faster than the 6811. It's all dependent on what's required for the project of course... if you need a TCP IP stack, WLAN, or USB host capabilities, then go with something a bit more sophisticated. Power is in the eye of the beholder... if I can twist such a saying to illustrate my point here. ~/Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 16:16:14 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:16:14 -0400 Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: <469E3554.3040505-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <469E3554.3040505@visible-assets.com> Message-ID: <20070718161614.GC24544@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 05:44:20PM +0200, Christopher Friedt wrote: > Check out www.embeddedarm.com ... the hardware is excellent and very > good for entry level embedded stuff. > > I would say that the MPP board is not related at all to Linux running in > cell phones. The MPP board has a completely different market, and would > be programmed in assembler, or gcc-m68k if you feel daring. If you used > gcc-m68k you would have to compile everything statically - much like the > linux kernel. The MPP board is intended for educational purposes - that > is, instrumentation and data acuisition - mainly for electrical > engineering students. > > However, it is possible to get uClinux to run on the MPP board from what > I hear through the grapevine. Forget any sort of filesystem, forget the > TCP/IP stack, forget a scheduler, etc. You have pinouts and a serial > port. It would be the least sophisticated Linux port you've ever seen - > that's not saying that it wouldn't be damn cool to port it :) And the > hardware design for the MPP board was also excellent for it's purpose :) > > Speaking as someone who's programmed for the MPP board, the embedded arm > devices above, and soon, the OpenMoko/Neo, I would suggest buying an > OpenMoko if you're interested in programming cell phones running linux. Has anyone every ported uclinux to an 8bit cpu with 32k ram? I highly doubt it. Way too small for a unix system. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 16:57:45 2007 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:57:45 -0400 Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: <20070718161614.GC24544-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <469E3554.3040505@visible-assets.com> <20070718161614.GC24544@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 7/18/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 05:44:20PM +0200, Christopher Friedt wrote: > > Check out www.embeddedarm.com ... the hardware is excellent and very > > good for entry level embedded stuff. > > [..] > > Has anyone every ported uclinux to an 8bit cpu with 32k ram? I highly > doubt it. Way too small for a unix system. I doubt it too. One of the comments on the http://www.linuxdevices.com/ site talks about running Linux in 1M RAM and 1M flash -- but that's about as slim as it gets. In any case, I'm not sure why one would bother with such an old piece of equipment. That sounds like the platform I used for a third year project on in 1981 (Z80 with 32K RAM). Anything with an 8-bit processor is by now an antique. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 17:00:14 2007 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:00:14 -0400 Subject: Apache2 and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <469D4E53.3060605-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <469D4E53.3060605@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Then, how about running the test startup on a dummy test webserver listening on a dummy port before comitting to the procudtion server? Martin Duclos wrote: >Hi, >How about a simple script to commit the chages, do the sanity check of the >config and load the new config. If apache returns an error, show the error >to the user and revert back to original configs. That would limit the down >time to a few seconds. >My 2 cents. >Martin That would work, but it would still cause server down time (short though it may be). If it's at all possible, I'd still like to have the server not crash but rather just refuse to load the offending VH container... Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists _________________________________________________________________ Fight Allergies With Live Search http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=Remedies+For+Spring+Allergies&mkt=en-ca&FORM=SERNEP -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 17:16:06 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:16:06 -0400 Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: References: <469E3554.3040505@visible-assets.com> <20070718161614.GC24544@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <469E4AD6.1090005@ve3syb.ca> Alex Beamish wrote: > In any case, I'm not sure why one would bother with such an old piece > of equipment. That sounds like the platform I used for a third year > project on in 1981 (Z80 with 32K RAM). Anything with an 8-bit > processor is by now an antique. It depends on what 8-bit processor it is and what one needs to do with it. There are a number of old/antique ones still around but are still used by a lot of people. (ie. PICs and 8051's). For something that is still in the 8-bit field but is somewhat newer (and that are quite interesting devices) check out the 8-bit AVR microcontrollers from Atmel. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 17:23:23 2007 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:23:23 +0200 Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: <20070718161614.GC24544-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <469E3554.3040505@visible-assets.com> <20070718161614.GC24544@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <469E4C8B.8020800@visible-assets.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Has anyone every ported uclinux to an 8bit cpu with 32k ram? I highly > doubt it. Way too small for a unix system. Right... sorry, linux only supports the 32-bit m68k targets. Although gcc supports the mc68hc11 target. However, there have been several OS's written for the 8-bit 68k. http://m68hc11.serveftp.org/wiki/index.php/Applications ~/Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 18:10:50 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: References: <469E3554.3040505@visible-assets.com> <20070718161614.GC24544@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1875.74.98.136.37.1184782250.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Anything with an 8-bit processor is by now an antique. Last time I looked, 8 bit machines were outselling 16 and 32 bit machines by a fair margin. Even 4 bit machines are still popular. Furthermore, it depends what you need to do. If you want to use the chip real estate for cache, pipelining and MMU, that will help with raw performance. If you want hardware timers, SCI, SPI, A/D and so on, then that will reduce the board parts count. (In some cases, you can get both. But not at rock-bottom price.) Most of these 8 bit machines are 8/16 bit manipulators. For example, in the 68HC11, the basic memory width is 8 bits but there are 16 bit index registers. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 18:35:51 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:35:51 +0000 Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: References: <469E3554.3040505@visible-assets.com> <20070718161614.GC24544@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 7/18/07, Alex Beamish wrote: > In any case, I'm not sure why one would bother with such an old piece > of equipment. That sounds like the platform I used for a third year > project on in 1981 (Z80 with 32K RAM). Anything with an 8-bit > processor is by now an antique. Well, it depends on whether what you're trying to control with it is simple or complex. If you need to compute FFTs in order to make decisions, and trying to drive a hi-rez display, well then you probably need megabytes of memory and 32 bits or so of address space. If, on the other hand, you're controlling an elevator, where the system is composed of a state machine with a couple dozen inputs and a couple dozen states, then having 256 bytes of data memory and a few KB for code ought to be quite sufficient. They're still *making* 8 bit CPUs (and even 4 bit ones!) because they still successfully address needs. Automation of simple systems with small numbers of states and not-incredibly-obtuse logic doesn't need more than that. There are still plenty of automation opportunities that can be handled by hardware that primitive. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 18:44:14 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:44:14 -0400 Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: <469E3B5C.4090308-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20070716220721.GX31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <15987.74.98.136.37.1184624729.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20070717120907.GY31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <469E3B5C.4090308@visible-assets.com> Message-ID: <20070718184414.GD24544@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 06:10:04PM +0200, Christopher Friedt wrote: > Sorry to disagree, but having worked w/ the MPP board, as well as some > pretty powerful embedded devices, I would never trade that experience > for anything else. I learned more with that device about general > instrumentation than I would have if we'd have used a more advanced > device, which was exactly the purpose. The 500 sold is also in a very > small market - probably 4 college / university courses with only a > handful of people in them every year, for a few years is pretty good > for not having any marketing campaigns. Great experience certainly, but I still don't consider it a powerful processor relative to what is current. Something like an IXP or PXA or other arm design is much much more powerful, and might even use less power. > The 68HC12 paired with a 56k DSP (a la coldfire) is still a fairly > powerful piece of equipment - powerful enough to do frame routing for > HDTV signals at high speeds, and also probably _quite_ less expensive > for dev / production / manufacturing costs. Moreover, the 6812 is only 4 > times faster than the 6811. Isn't a coldfire practically a 68k? Seems rather more powerful than the 68hc12 it is paired with. :) embedded mips and arm systems are pretty cheap too, and many of the powerpc chips are pretty cheap too. > It's all dependent on what's required for the project of course... if > you need a TCP IP stack, WLAN, or USB host capabilities, then go with > something a bit more sophisticated. > > Power is in the eye of the beholder... if I can twist such a saying to > illustrate my point here. You can do a lot with an 8 bit micro, but you can do a lot more (although probably with more development work too) with a modern 32bit embedded processor. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 19:05:04 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:05:04 +0000 Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: <20070718184414.GD24544-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070716220721.GX31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <15987.74.98.136.37.1184624729.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20070717120907.GY31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <469E3B5C.4090308@visible-assets.com> <20070718184414.GD24544@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 7/18/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 06:10:04PM +0200, Christopher Friedt wrote: > > Power is in the eye of the beholder... if I can twist such a saying to > > illustrate my point here. > > You can do a lot with an 8 bit micro, but you can do a lot more > (although probably with more development work too) with a modern 32bit > embedded processor. What is plenty interesting (that this demonstrates) is that having a *LITTLE* bit of resources in the right places can be fabulously useful. Back in the dark ages, when we used to use modems to call ISPs and BBSes to communicate, modem performance kept growing, to the point to which it started to actually need to consume a fair bit of CPU to manage it. The "mystical, magical improvement" took place when we upgraded to use 16550 UARTs that had 16 bytes of buffer. That 16 bytes, in the right spot, caused downright spectacular improvements in the stability of modem-based IP connections on busy computers. Somewhat similarly, it was a Big Deal for disk performance with NSC 53c8xx SCSI host adaptors when they started having 256 bytes of tagged command queue. Surprisingly small buffers, if introduced in the right places, can result in improvements wildly out of proportion with expectations. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 19:10:33 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:10:33 -0400 Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: <1875.74.98.136.37.1184782250.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <469E3554.3040505@visible-assets.com> <20070718161614.GC24544@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1875.74.98.136.37.1184782250.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20070718191033.GE24544@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 02:10:50PM -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Last time I looked, 8 bit machines were outselling 16 and 32 bit machines > by a fair margin. Even 4 bit machines are still popular. > > Furthermore, it depends what you need to do. If you want to use the chip > real estate for cache, pipelining and MMU, that will help with raw > performance. If you want hardware timers, SCI, SPI, A/D and so on, then > that will reduce the board parts count. (In some cases, you can get both. > But not at rock-bottom price.) > > Most of these 8 bit machines are 8/16 bit manipulators. For example, in > the 68HC11, the basic memory width is 8 bits but there are 16 bit index > registers. Well the 8bit cpus were mostly 8bit data, 16 bit address, hence 64k memory space. So 16bit registers make good sense for things relating to addresses. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 19:20:26 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PC/104 In-Reply-To: References: <469E3554.3040505@visible-assets.com> <20070718161614.GC24544@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1982.74.98.136.37.1184786426.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > If you need to compute FFTs in order to make decisions, and trying to > drive a hi-rez display, well then you probably need megabytes of > memory and 32 bits or so of address space. Basically, I'd agree. But just for the record, you can write a fixed-point FFT for an 8 bit microprocessor and if you precompute the constants, it's pretty speedy. However, it much easier to write, debug and maintain something like that in a high-level language running on a more powerful processor. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 18 20:39:52 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:39:52 -0400 Subject: [OT]: Writing A Manifesto Message-ID: <99a6c38f0707181339x47827568md6dd3b19013322a@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, A long time ago, someone suggested I write a manifesto for Atomic OS. I'm not the best writer in the world, but I've finally given it a try. The first draft has been posted at www.psema4.com If anyone's will to take a look and make critical observations and/or suggestions, it would be greatly appreciated. TIA. -- Scott Elcomb [ http://www.psema4.com/ ] "Our Founders' faith in the viability of representative democracy rested on their trust in the wisdom of a well-informed citizenry, their ingenious design for checks and balances, and their belief that the rule of reason is the natural sovereign of a free people." - Al Gore (The Assault on Reason, 2008) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 19 00:37:49 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (sy1234) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:37:49 -0400 Subject: RMS Talk at University of Toronto Mississauga In-Reply-To: <468D10BF.6080403-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <468D10BF.6080403@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <469EB25D.3060303@gmail.com> I figured I'd pass this on, since that talk did also include a Disney mention. Disney films used to explain copyright and free use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJn_jC4FNDo -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dodiesis-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 19 13:53:11 2007 From: dodiesis-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (mario) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:53:11 +0200 Subject: Ping from italy! Message-ID: Hi all! I've just arrived in toronto and i need a little help: i've to code for a day or two to finish a work... Where can I find a confortable (table+ chair+power socket is enough) place to stay? I also need a wireless internet access... :) I've notice that there are many internet cafe (second cup & similar) but I've have to pay. Can anyone suggest me a free place, where i can stay for all the day? Currently I'm in downtown, in a hostel near king street. Thank you in advance for this help. .. and sorry for my rusted|bad english. see you Mario p.s. a meeting for a coffe is also appreciated :) -- www.sgrunt.net -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 19 13:59:07 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:59:07 -0400 Subject: Ping from italy! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070719135907.GA27373@watson-wilson.ca> I think there are hot spots and cell phone access all throughout the PATH. There are plenty of benches and even some tables. -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 11 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 19 14:02:19 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:02:19 -0400 Subject: A question for the Linux Cafe Message-ID: <469F6EEB.9060300@rogers.com> Hi Patrick While I know you provide Linux CD's in your cafe, have you considered including the OpenCD, for those who are not quite ready to make the jump from Windows? Once they start using those apps, it will be easier for them to convert to Linux, where they'll find many of these applications. http://theopencd.org jk -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 19 14:06:05 2007 From: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org (Scott C. Ripley) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:06:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Ping from italy! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/spe_ser_wir.jsp On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, mario wrote: > Hi all! > > I've just arrived in toronto and i need a little help: i've to code > for a day or two to finish a work... > Where can I find a confortable (table+ chair+power socket is enough) > place to stay? > I also need a wireless internet access... > :) > > I've notice that there are many internet cafe (second cup & similar) > but I've have to pay. > Can anyone suggest me a free place, where i can stay for all the day? > > Currently I'm in downtown, in a hostel near king street. > > Thank you in advance for this help. > .. and sorry for my rusted|bad english. > > see you > Mario > > p.s. > a meeting for a coffe is also appreciated :) > > -- Scott C. Ripley phone: (416)738-6357 www: http://www.scottripley.com email: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Secure Your E-Mail! http://www.mysecuremail.com/javascrypt/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From zh.huang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 19 14:19:32 2007 From: zh.huang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (zuoheng) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:19:32 +0800 Subject: A question about vim, g/pattern/y a or g/pattern/y A Message-ID: <573409e0707190719s693d8ae9g35bc73080ac0161@mail.gmail.com> Hi, all, I met a problem when I used Vim for some log analyzing. I use :g/pattern/y a to match certain lines and yank them into register "a", I would like to paste them into another buffer, "ap But I only got the last matched line into the new buffer. If I use :g/pattern/y A, yank all matched lines to append to register "a" and then "ap I got expected results. If there are something in the register already, then the paste is the merged lines; if the register is empty before, then paste exact what matched the "pattern" I have tried on Vim7.1 on windows, and vim 6.3 on Centos, no difference. Any advice? /Zuoheng -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 19 14:51:13 2007 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:51:13 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [Perl Jobs] ... Also, an English grad Message-ID: This employer may also be looking for an English grad .. ;) See the Pay rate offered .. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Perl Jobs Date: Jul 18, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: [Perl Jobs] Perl professionals for growing video platform (telecommute), United States, NY, New York To: jobs at perl.org Online URL for this job: http://jobs.perl.org/job/6199 To subscribe to this list, send mail to jobs-subscribe-RykgAxdMFBPhvxM+mQhndA at public.gmane.org To unsubscribe, send mail to jobs-unsubscribe-RykgAxdMFBPhvxM+mQhndA at public.gmane.org Posted: July 18, 2007 Job title: Perl professionals for growing video platform Company name: Magnify.net Location: United States, NY, New York Pay rate: Commiserate with experience ***** [...] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- They probably should have just stuck with Depending On Experience. :) -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 19 15:07:35 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Ping from italy! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <688852.51103.qm@web88213.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- mario wrote: > Hi all! > > I've just arrived in toronto and i need a little > help: i've to code > for a day or two to finish a work... > Where can I find a confortable (table+ chair+power > socket is enough) > place to stay? > I also need a wireless internet access... > :) > > I've notice that there are many internet cafe > (second cup & similar) > but I've have to pay. > Can anyone suggest me a free place, where i can stay > for all the day? Have a look at the Linuxcaffe 326 Harboud St. (a short walk from the Christie subway station): http://linuxcaffe.ca/ Linuxcaffe is a regular hangout for several TLUG list regulars... Or as an alternative have a look at the Wireless Toronto locations (the wireless requires that you have a (free) account, how insistent the pub, cafe, etc. owners will be about you buying food, etc., will vary from place to place...): http://auth.wirelesstoronto.ca/hotspot_status.php > Currently I'm in downtown, in a hostel near king > street. > > Thank you in advance for this help. > .. and sorry for my rusted|bad english. > > see you > Mario > > p.s. > a meeting for a coffe is also appreciated :) > > -- > www.sgrunt.net > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 19 15:16:11 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:16:11 -0400 Subject: A question about vim, g/pattern/y a or g/pattern/y A In-Reply-To: <573409e0707190719s693d8ae9g35bc73080ac0161-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <573409e0707190719s693d8ae9g35bc73080ac0161@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070719151611.GB27373@watson-wilson.ca> Clear the register before hand. -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 11 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 19 15:23:48 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:23:48 -0400 Subject: Ping from italy! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <469F8204.5010009@utoronto.ca> mario wrote: > Hi all! > > I've just arrived in toronto and i need a little help: i've to code > for a day or two to finish a work... > Where can I find a confortable (table+ chair+power socket is enough) > place to stay? > I also need a wireless internet access... > :) > > I've notice that there are many internet cafe (second cup & similar) > but I've have to pay. > Can anyone suggest me a free place, where i can stay for all the day? > > Currently I'm in downtown, in a hostel near king street. > > Thank you in advance for this help. > .. and sorry for my rusted|bad english. > > see you > Mario > > p.s. > a meeting for a coffe is also appreciated :) > Ciao Mario, io parlo italiano e il mio numero ? 416.488.0062. Come gi? accennato prima, LinuxCaffe offre wireless gratis, ma ? anche un buon costume comprare qualcosa da bere o mangiare mentre uno lavora l?. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 19 15:30:25 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:30:25 -0400 Subject: A question for the Linux Cafe In-Reply-To: <469F6EEB.9060300-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <469F6EEB.9060300@rogers.com> Message-ID: <469F8391.5040101@telly.org> James Knott wrote: > While I know you provide Linux CD's in your cafe, have you considered > including the OpenCD, for those who are not quite ready to make the > jump from Windows? Once they start using those apps, it will be > easier for them to convert to Linux, where they'll find many of these > applications. I'd go a step further and suggest that the Caf? might be the perfect location for a Freedom Toaster. This is a kiosk system designed to burn -- on demand -- any of a number of _current_ open source CDs, including Ubuntu (live and install, including variants), Fedora, Debian, Mandriva, SuSE, Gentoo and others. It also includes "FOSS for Windows" category that includes the Open CD. It also includes the Gutenberg Project CD. The Freedom Toaster project is funded by the Shuttleworth Foundation. There are a number of public kiosks around, but right now all of them are located in South Africa. http://www.freedomtoaster.org There may not be enough space in the Caf? for a full-sized kiosk, but certainly the software can be run on most modern systems. It prevents the creation/shipping of CDs that are useless once obsolete, while staying away from the political/religious debates related to "what distro do you offer" by offering so many of them. Just an idea. As an alternative, TLUG could build a fullsized Toaster and take it to relevant events. - Evan - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 19 18:14:39 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:14:39 -0400 Subject: Ping from italy! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <469FAA0F.4040002@rogers.com> mario wrote: > Hi all! > > I've just arrived in toronto and i need a little help: i've to code > for a day or two to finish a work... > Where can I find a confortable (table+ chair+power socket is enough) > place to stay? > I also need a wireless internet access... > :) > > I've notice that there are many internet cafe (second cup & similar) > but I've have to pay. > Can anyone suggest me a free place, where i can stay for all the day? > > Currently I'm in downtown, in a hostel near king street. > > Thank you in advance for this help. > .. and sorry for my rusted|bad english. > > see you > Mario > > p.s. > a meeting for a coffe is also appreciated :) > You might try the Linux Cafe. It's a bit of a walk from King St, but available by transit. http://linuxcaffe.ca -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 19 18:24:43 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:24:43 -0400 Subject: A question for the Linux Cafe In-Reply-To: <469F8391.5040101-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <469F6EEB.9060300@rogers.com> <469F8391.5040101@telly.org> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0707191124k7e60f11s592c536eb448bb72@mail.gmail.com> On 7/19/07, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > There are a number of public kiosks around, but right now all of them > are located in South Africa. http://www.freedomtoaster.org Apparently there's one at Seneca at York. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Toaster#Availability http://cdot.senecac.on.ca/projects/toaster/ > Just an idea. As an alternative, TLUG could build a fullsized Toaster > and take it to relevant events. The Seneca Freedom Toaster project describes some of their building costs at http://cdot.senecac.on.ca/projects/toaster/parts/ -- Scott Elcomb [ http://www.psema4.com/ ] "Our Founders' faith in the viability of representative democracy rested on their trust in the wisdom of a well-informed citizenry, their ingenious design for checks and balances, and their belief that the rule of reason is the natural sovereign of a free people." - Al Gore (The Assault on Reason, 2008) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 19 19:51:39 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:51:39 +0000 Subject: Linux in the park Message-ID: <3a97ef0707191251s7ccc75f5g469be0801fb1afb3@mail.gmail.com> How many are planning to come to this after work etc? At the moment the weather is sunny again (after a good soaking earlier) but it may be a bit unpredictable. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 19 22:45:08 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:45:08 -0400 Subject: Linux in the park In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0707191251s7ccc75f5g469be0801fb1afb3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0707191251s7ccc75f5g469be0801fb1afb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <469FE974.9070908@utoronto.ca> Tyler Aviss wrote: > How many are planning to come to this after work etc? At the moment > the weather is sunny again (after a good soaking earlier) but it may > be a bit unpredictable. The tentative date for Linux in the Park appears to be AUGUST 19. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From zh.huang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 20 00:20:44 2007 From: zh.huang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (zuoheng) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:20:44 +0800 Subject: A question about vim, g/pattern/y a or g/pattern/y A In-Reply-To: <20070719151611.GB27373-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <573409e0707190719s693d8ae9g35bc73080ac0161@mail.gmail.com> <20070719151611.GB27373@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <573409e0707191720q6df47218x70b383ff3c772d5b@mail.gmail.com> but from my understanding, if i use lowercase "a", it should "replace" the contends with matched lines, which means a clearing action already. /zuoheng On 7/19/07, Neil Watson wrote: > > Clear the register before hand. > > -- > Neil Watson | Debian Linux > System Administrator | Uptime 11 days > http://watson-wilson.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 20 00:38:06 2007 From: sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Steve Harvey) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:38:06 -0400 Subject: Bjarne Stroustrup at UofT Friday Message-ID: <20070720003806.GJ35786@shell.vex.net> He will be speaking on C++0x Support for Generic Programming at 6:30 on the St. George campus. http://www.ewh.ieee.org/r7/toronto/events/jul2007.htm -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dodiesis-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 20 01:34:28 2007 From: dodiesis-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (mario) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 03:34:28 +0200 Subject: Ping from italy! In-Reply-To: <469FAA0F.4040002-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <469FAA0F.4040002@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 7/19/07, James Knott wrote: > mario wrote: > You might try the Linux Cafe. It's a bit of a walk from King St, but > available by transit. > > http://linuxcaffe.ca Tnx very much at all! Now I can code in peace! If someone of you want to meet an italian coder, for a coffe or a beer, do not esitate to ask... I would be happy to meet you. (...but prepare yourself for my [still] funny english) Hi all and tnx! Mario -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 20 02:33:02 2007 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:33:02 -0400 Subject: A question for the Linux Cafe In-Reply-To: <469F6EEB.9060300-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <469F6EEB.9060300@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 19/07/07, James Knott wrote: > Hi Patrick > > While I know you provide Linux CD's in your cafe, have you considered > including the OpenCD, for those who are not quite ready to make the jump > from Windows? Once they start using those apps, it will be easier for > them to convert to Linux, where they'll find many of these applications. The OpenCD is great and we make it available. Also, if I'm not mistaken, an Ubuntu CD, when auto started by Windows, will offer to install Windows versions of the Greatest Hits of Open Source. -- djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org OR davamundo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org www.linuxcaffe.ca geek chic and caffe cachet 326 Harbord Street, Toronto, M6G 3A5, (416) 534-2116 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 20 02:43:47 2007 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:43:47 -0400 Subject: A question for the Linux Cafe In-Reply-To: <469F8391.5040101-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <469F6EEB.9060300@rogers.com> <469F8391.5040101@telly.org> Message-ID: On 19/07/07, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I'd go a step further and suggest that the Caf? might be the perfect > location for a Freedom Toaster. This is a kiosk system designed to burn > -- on demand -- any of a number of _current_ open source CDs, including > Ubuntu (live and install, including variants), Fedora, Debian, Mandriva, > SuSE, Gentoo and others. It also includes "FOSS for Windows" category > that includes the Open CD. It also includes the Gutenberg Project CD. I guess that makes us a Freedom Toaster, and we have everything listed (except Project Gutenberg stuff) and we go one step that the kiosk can't; we talk to people about what they want to do with the software, and about their hardware, and help them find the right distro. > > There may not be enough space in the Caf? for a full-sized kiosk, but > certainly the software can be run on most modern systems. It prevents > the creation/shipping of CDs that are useless once obsolete, while > staying away from the political/religious debates related to "what > distro do you offer" by offering so many of them. There insn't enough room at the caffe for another blender, never mind a kiosk. but like I say, we maintain a roster of current distros, and sometimes have them available with hours of release (way fast using jigdo, for debian based installers) if $6. CD seems like too much to some, others will gleefully take the day off, drive in from gods country, and shake their heads at how cheap that is. We always have a bin of free CDs, too, just not neccesarily the very latest. > > Just an idea. As an alternative, TLUG could build a fullsized Toaster > and take it to relevant events. I think it's a great idea for TLUG to build it's own toaster, you can use my workshop. djp -- djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org OR davamundo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org www.linuxcaffe.ca geek chic and caffe cachet 326 Harbord Street, Toronto, M6G 3A5, (416) 534-2116 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 20 05:17:02 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 05:17:02 +0000 Subject: Linux in the park In-Reply-To: <469FE974.9070908-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0707191251s7ccc75f5g469be0801fb1afb3@mail.gmail.com> <469FE974.9070908@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0707192217i410fa03fhbfb2d78091219521@mail.gmail.com> Aha, that would explain a lot. Guess I wasn't looking at my calendar correctly (DOH) On 7/19/07, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Tyler Aviss wrote: > > How many are planning to come to this after work etc? At the moment > > the weather is sunny again (after a good soaking earlier) but it may > > be a bit unpredictable. > > The tentative date for Linux in the Park appears to be AUGUST 19. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From zh.huang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 20 09:57:16 2007 From: zh.huang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (zuoheng) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:57:16 +0800 Subject: A question about vim, g/pattern/y a or g/pattern/y A In-Reply-To: <573409e0707191720q6df47218x70b383ff3c772d5b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <573409e0707190719s693d8ae9g35bc73080ac0161@mail.gmail.com> <20070719151611.GB27373@watson-wilson.ca> <573409e0707191720q6df47218x70b383ff3c772d5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <573409e0707200257u79b7940dsab5275f65f8d782@mail.gmail.com> Now it is clear. The problem is becaue g(blobal) command, excute y a (yanking to a) for every matched line. And every time, the last recorded line will be replaced with a new line. That's it. /zuoheng -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 20 13:58:23 2007 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:58:23 +0200 Subject: Bjarne Stroustrup at UofT Friday In-Reply-To: <20070720003806.GJ35786-bEteefDXIgtmcu3hnIyYJQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20070720003806.GJ35786@shell.vex.net> Message-ID: <46A0BF7F.6010805@visible-assets.com> Why is it that I'm always out of the country for things like this!? Steve Harvey wrote: > He will be speaking on C++0x Support for Generic Programming at > 6:30 on the St. George campus. > > http://www.ewh.ieee.org/r7/toronto/events/jul2007.htm > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 20 14:59:52 2007 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:59:52 -0400 Subject: Bjarne Stroustrup at UofT Friday In-Reply-To: <46A0BF7F.6010805-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20070720003806.GJ35786@shell.vex.net> <46A0BF7F.6010805@visible-assets.com> Message-ID: <20070720145952.GB3418@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Fri, Jul 20, 2007 at 03:58:23PM +0200, Christopher Friedt wrote: > Why is it that I'm always out of the country for things like this!? > > Steve Harvey wrote: >> He will be speaking on C++0x Support for Generic Programming at >> 6:30 on the St. George campus. >> http://www.ewh.ieee.org/r7/toronto/events/jul2007.htm Is it because you keep leaving the country? -- yours, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 20 15:40:58 2007 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:40:58 -0400 Subject: Ping from italy! In-Reply-To: <469FAA0F.4040002-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <469FAA0F.4040002@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200707201140.58743.mervc@eol.ca> On Thursday 19 July 2007 14:14, James Knott wrote: > > You might try the Linux Cafe. It's a bit of a walk from King St, but > available by transit. > > http://linuxcaffe.ca The best way to get to see a new city is walking. Welcome Mario -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Debian Sid Linux Desktop KDE 3.5.7 KMail 1.9.5 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mikemacleod-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 21 16:19:51 2007 From: mikemacleod-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael MacLeod) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:19:51 -0400 Subject: SATA to IDE converters in Toronto? Message-ID: I'm looking for a SATA to IDE converter to take a SATA hard drive and use it in a computer with only IDE interfaces. I've found an ideal solution here: http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=659561 However, I'd like to pick it up this weekend, so purchasing it online isn't going to help any. Does anyone know where I might be able to pick one up at an actual brick and mortar location? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 21 16:23:22 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:23:22 -0400 Subject: SATA to IDE converters in Toronto? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46A232FA.9070106@utoronto.ca> Michael MacLeod wrote: > I'm looking for a SATA to IDE converter to take a SATA hard drive and > use it in a computer with only IDE interfaces. I've found an ideal > solution here: > > http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=659561 > > However, I'd like to pick it up this weekend, so purchasing it online > isn't going to help any. Does anyone know where I might be able to > pick one up at an actual brick and mortar location? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists Try http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=009291&cid=CA.742 Lots of locations around the GTA. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mikemacleod-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 21 16:37:44 2007 From: mikemacleod-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael MacLeod) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:37:44 -0400 Subject: SATA to IDE converters in Toronto? In-Reply-To: <46A232FA.9070106-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <46A232FA.9070106@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Found that earlier, but from what I can tell that converts the wrong way. That's for making an IDE drive pretend to be SATA. On 7/21/07, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Michael MacLeod wrote: > > I'm looking for a SATA to IDE converter to take a SATA hard drive and > > use it in a computer with only IDE interfaces. I've found an ideal > > solution here: > > > > http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=659561 > > > > However, I'd like to pick it up this weekend, so purchasing it online > > isn't going to help any. Does anyone know where I might be able to > > pick one up at an actual brick and mortar location? > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > Try > http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=009291&cid=CA.742 > > Lots of locations around the GTA. > > Jamon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 21 17:43:30 2007 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:43:30 -0400 Subject: SATA to IDE converters in Toronto? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92ee967a0707211043s63a0fd23k6f9aafe0bf04a739@mail.gmail.com> On 7/21/07, Michael MacLeod wrote: > I'm looking for a SATA to IDE converter to take a SATA hard drive and > use it in a computer with only IDE interfaces. I've found an ideal > solution here: > > http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=659561 > > However, I'd like to pick it up this weekend, so purchasing it online > isn't going to help any. Does anyone know where I might be able to > pick one up at an actual brick and mortar location? A SATA PCI adapter would probably be an easier find. Assuming you have PCI slots :-) -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 21 20:36:50 2007 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:36:50 -0400 Subject: Ping from italy! In-Reply-To: <469F8204.5010009-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <469F8204.5010009@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On 19/07/07, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > mario wrote: > > Hi all! > > > > I've just arrived in toronto and i need a little help: i've to code > > for a day or two to finish a work... > Ciao Mario, > io parlo italiano e il mio numero ? 416.488.0062. Come gi? accennato > prima, LinuxCaffe offre wireless gratis, ma ? anche un buon costume > comprare qualcosa da bere o mangiare mentre uno lavora l?. Grazie Ian ! io parlo Italiano (brutalmente) ma voglio parlo piu. qualcune pensave che quando I scrive Italioano est diverse. Alora, benevenuto a linuxcaffe. Davide (djp) -- djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org OR davamundo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org www.linuxcaffe.ca geek chic and caffe cachet 326 Harbord Street, Toronto, M6G 3A5, (416) 534-2116 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 21 21:07:53 2007 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:07:53 -0400 Subject: Ping from italy! In-Reply-To: References: <469F8204.5010009@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <92ee967a0707211407o74ae6e23n1a5e296b466e8905@mail.gmail.com> On 7/21/07, David J Patrick wrote: > On 19/07/07, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > > mario wrote: > > > Hi all! > > > > > > I've just arrived in toronto and i need a little help: i've to code > > > for a day or two to finish a work... > > Ciao Mario, > > io parlo italiano e il mio numero ? 416.488.0062. Come gi? accennato > > prima, LinuxCaffe offre wireless gratis, ma ? anche un buon costume > > comprare qualcosa da bere o mangiare mentre uno lavora l?. > > Grazie Ian ! > io parlo Italiano (brutalmente) ma voglio parlo piu. qualcune pensave > che quando I scrive Italioano est diverse. "brutalmente" :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 21 21:37:19 2007 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:37:19 -0400 Subject: ext3 corrupted Message-ID: <200707211737.19559.marc@lijour.net> Hi I have a drive that got corrupted (just before it started to send SMART alerts). I can't mount it and I get this error message: EXT3-fs error (device sda12): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 896 not in group (block 16777317)! I can't mount it as ext2 either, and I can't mount sda either. auto as type does not work either. Running fsck and accepting all actions with a 'y' seems to have no effect. I can't mount the disk and when I get to do fsck again I get the same actions. dd works. Do you know a way to get the data back? Thanks a lot (!) marc -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 21 22:08:30 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:08:30 -0400 Subject: SATA to IDE converters in Toronto? In-Reply-To: <46A232FA.9070106-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <46A232FA.9070106@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <46A283DE.4030707@telly.org> Jamon Camisso wrote: > Try > http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=009291&cid=CA.742 > > > Lots of locations around the GTA. In terms of square footage and variety of inventory, their newest location at Jane and Rutherford (across the street from Vaughan Mills) is by far the largest. Even bigger are the two TigerDirect locations, one at Woodbine near Highway 7 and the other near Sherway Gardens in the west end. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 21 22:33:31 2007 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:33:31 -0400 Subject: Travan: Head Cleaning Cartridge (free) Message-ID: Hi -- I have a Travan Dry Process head Cleaning Cartridge (unused) made by Imation that I don't need. If you want it, just send me a mailing address off-list and I'll mail it to you. Thanks, Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 22 00:53:13 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:53:13 -0400 Subject: spam from my pc? Message-ID: <46A2AA79.8080107@chrisaitken.net> Somehow my computer (or registered domain) is being used to send emails. The only way I know this is that a few go to emasil addresses that send them back (I guess becuase the recipienmt is away or whatever). What can I do? It's kinda freaky - I guess I'm responsible for what comes from my computer/domain. My domain is shinypinemusic.com. So, I'm receiving delivery failure notices to whomever from [anyoneatall]@shinypinemusic.com Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 22 01:22:53 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:22:53 -0400 Subject: spam from my pc? In-Reply-To: <46A2AA79.8080107-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46A2AA79.8080107@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46A2B16D.8040200@alteeve.com> Chris Aitken wrote: > Somehow my computer (or registered domain) is being used to send emails. > The only way I know this is that a few go to emasil addresses that send > them back (I guess becuase the recipienmt is away or whatever). What can > I do? It's kinda freaky - I guess I'm responsible for what comes from my > computer/domain. My domain is shinypinemusic.com. So, I'm receiving > delivery failure notices to whomever from [anyoneatall]@shinypinemusic.com > > Chris This happened to some of the domains I manage.... Just suddenly started getting *tons* of bounce messages (>1000/day) for about a week. I added an SPF record to my DNS zone file and the bounces mostly stopped. The ones that still came in all were from MS servers after that. :P http://www.openspf.org/ So in short, it may not be coming from you. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 22 01:24:33 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:24:33 -0400 Subject: spam from my pc? In-Reply-To: <46A2AA79.8080107-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <46A2AA79.8080107@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46A2B1D1.6090106@alteeve.com> Chris Aitken wrote: > Somehow my computer (or registered domain) is being used to send emails. > The only way I know this is that a few go to emasil addresses that send > them back (I guess becuase the recipienmt is away or whatever). What can > I do? It's kinda freaky - I guess I'm responsible for what comes from my > computer/domain. My domain is shinypinemusic.com. So, I'm receiving > delivery failure notices to whomever from [anyoneatall]@shinypinemusic.com > > Chris Check this, too; http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?%26domain%3Dshinypinemusic.com Was a good help that someone here posted when I was having trouble. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 22 02:10:04 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:10:04 -0400 Subject: SATA to IDE converters in Toronto? In-Reply-To: <46A283DE.4030707-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46A232FA.9070106@utoronto.ca> <46A283DE.4030707@telly.org> Message-ID: <46A2BC7C.2020400@rogers.com> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Jamon Camisso wrote: > >> Try >> http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=009291&cid=CA.742 >> >> >> Lots of locations around the GTA. >> > > In terms of square footage and variety of inventory, their newest > location at Jane and Rutherford (across the street from Vaughan Mills) > is by far the largest. > > Even bigger are the two TigerDirect locations, one at Woodbine near > Highway 7 and the other near Sherway Gardens in the west end. > > There's another TigerDirect location near Mavis and Britannia in Mississauga. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 22 10:32:22 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 06:32:22 -0400 Subject: Travan: Head Cleaning Cartridge (free) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1e55af990707220332o46336f15y56b76ade10e45338@mail.gmail.com> On 7/21/07, Alex Maynard wrote: > Hi -- I have a Travan Dry Process head Cleaning Cartridge (unused) made by > Imation that I don't need. If you want it, just send me a mailing address > off-list and I'll mail it to you. Thanks, Alex On this note, I have a pair of tape drive cleaners: Certance head cleaning cartridge (dry process) - compatible with Travan, Travan NS, ITL 4000 Library series drive (not compatible with HP drives) 2x hp dds C5709A cleaning cartridges I could also throw in an Asus "40x max" CD-ROM drive and an old 4-port hub. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 22 10:32:43 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 06:32:43 -0400 Subject: Travan: Head Cleaning Cartridge (free) In-Reply-To: <1e55af990707220332o46336f15y56b76ade10e45338-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990707220332o46336f15y56b76ade10e45338@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990707220332h6fbe1602u4a1bc710352c70d1@mail.gmail.com> On 7/22/07, Sy Ali wrote: > On this note, I have a pair of tape drive cleaners: and by "a pair" I really meant to say "three" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 22 15:26:41 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: spam from my pc? In-Reply-To: <46A2B16D.8040200-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A2B16D.8040200@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <603870.8289.qm@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Madison Kelly wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > > Somehow my computer (or registered domain) is > being used to send emails. > > The only way I know this is that a few go to > emasil addresses that send > > them back (I guess becuase the recipienmt is away > or whatever). What can > > I do? It's kinda freaky - I guess I'm responsible > for what comes from my > > computer/domain. My domain is shinypinemusic.com. > So, I'm receiving > > delivery failure notices to whomever from > [anyoneatall]@shinypinemusic.com > > > > Chris > > This happened to some of the domains I manage.... > Just suddenly started > getting *tons* of bounce messages (>1000/day) for > about a week. I added > an SPF record to my DNS zone file and the bounces > mostly stopped. The > ones that still came in all were from MS servers > after that. :P > > http://www.openspf.org/ > > So in short, it may not be coming from you. :) Yes, similar story in my case, my domain, mcgregor.org from time to time got hundreds of spam bounce messages per day... SPF can help the situation but doesn't solve it totally. Bottom line, for a spammer to forge an e-mail address is beyond trivial, and while you can slow them down on that score you will never stop them... My next issue (and it is a small one) in this area is dealing with user education... I have mcgregor.org, but there are other mcgregor domains. So I sometimes get e-mail that were clearly intended for a fertilizer company in Washington, a Baptist church in Florida, and very occasionally a retirement home in Ohio (mcgregoramasa.org). Does anyone have suggestions on how to reply to such wrongly addressed e-mails that is memorable, yet inoffensive... Colin McGregor > Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 22 18:23:58 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Startup Weekend Toronto Message-ID: <689199.2845.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just to note, Startup Weekend is coming to Toronto, September 14-16. The idea behind Startup weekend is to get 60+ people together in one building to brainstorm and create a Web 2.0 company in weekend. >From the website: "Create a new startup Web 2.0 company in 1 weekend, wind up owning a share of the enterprise, meet some great people in both your own field and beyond, have a great time and even have the chance to have YOUR idea become the focus for the new venture. What is the value of an original share in Google, Face Book or Microsoft worth now?" Now, personally I have doubts about the viability of this sort of venture, but it sounds like a fantastic networking opportunity and a good way to learn more about building a small business. In exchanging e-mails with the event organizer, Ron Smith (who I have worked for), I gather his big concern is getting enough coders/developers, and getting to many marketters... The main web page is here: www.toronto.startupweekend.com The (free) registration page is here: www.eventbrite.com/event/66081652 Hope to see folks there. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 22 18:42:13 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:42:13 -0400 Subject: Oops. Ubuntu, sudo and Firefox Profiles Message-ID: <99a6c38f0707221142g6261db54ofd7c5e210fc5f600@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, After reading the /. story[1] on Pyro[2] (whose server is now on the blink, try using [3]) I wanted to take a peek at what potential there was in combining it with Atomic OS. Following the instructions on their site, I started a second XServer, and went to setup a seperate Firefox profile for testing Pyro with. (I've joined their mailing list with the intention of providing them with feedback about my experiences. Hopefully that'll save others some pain down the road...) Firefox wouldn't let me run with the -ProfileManager switch unless I was root (couldn't access screen :0.0), so I went ahead and did it as root using sudo su. Looks like I've killed all my bookmarks. I can live with it and eventually rebuild. What's driving me nuts though is that I can no longer run Firefox without being root. I'm sure it's a relatively easy fix, but I'm not sure just how to do it. Any pointers would be most welcome. Also, if it's possible to restore the default profile (with and/or it's extensions, bookmarks, and history) that would be tremendous. If it matters at all, the box in question is running Ubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft. TIA. - Scott. [1] http://slashdot.org/articles/07/07/22/1247210.shtml [2] http://pyrodesktop.org/ [3] http://www.pyrodesktop.org.nyud.net:8080/Main_Page -- Scott Elcomb [ http://www.psema4.com/ ] "Our Founders' faith in the viability of representative democracy rested on their trust in the wisdom of a well-informed citizenry, their ingenious design for checks and balances, and their belief that the rule of reason is the natural sovereign of a free people." - Al Gore (The Assault on Reason, 2008) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 22 19:12:40 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:12:40 -0400 Subject: Oops. Ubuntu, sudo and Firefox Profiles In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0707221142g6261db54ofd7c5e210fc5f600-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0707221142g6261db54ofd7c5e210fc5f600@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46A3AC28.70303@utoronto.ca> Scott Elcomb wrote: > Hi all, > > After reading the /. story[1] on Pyro[2] (whose server is now on the > blink, try using [3]) I wanted to take a peek at what potential there > was in combining it with Atomic OS. > > Following the instructions on their site, I started a second XServer, > and went to setup a seperate Firefox profile for testing Pyro with. > > (I've joined their mailing list with the intention of providing them > with feedback about my experiences. Hopefully that'll save others > some pain down the road...) > > Firefox wouldn't let me run with the -ProfileManager switch unless I > was root (couldn't access screen :0.0), so I went ahead and did it as > root using sudo su. > > Looks like I've killed all my bookmarks. I can live with it and > eventually rebuild. What's driving me nuts though is that I can no > longer run Firefox without being root. > > I'm sure it's a relatively easy fix, but I'm not sure just how to do > it. Any pointers would be most welcome. > > Also, if it's possible to restore the default profile (with and/or > it's extensions, bookmarks, and history) that would be tremendous. > > If it matters at all, the box in question is running Ubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft. > > TIA. > - Scott. > > [1] http://slashdot.org/articles/07/07/22/1247210.shtml > [2] http://pyrodesktop.org/ > [3] http://www.pyrodesktop.org.nyud.net:8080/Main_Page > sudo su will not change your path, so running as root will chown your .mozilla directory. Try using su - instead, or sudo -i works a well. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 22 19:17:54 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:17:54 -0400 Subject: Startup Weekend Toronto In-Reply-To: <689199.2845.qm-JoSsSUNfUciB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <689199.2845.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0707221217t1abbccffs363e6a48c440b1b4@mail.gmail.com> On 7/22/07, Colin McGregor wrote: > In exchanging e-mails with the event organizer, Ron > Smith (who I have worked for), I gather his big > concern is getting enough coders/developers, and > getting to many marketters... Hi Colin, Could you please forward this message, or my email address, to Ron for me? I'd like to ask a question regarding which free "ticket" I might register for. According to the registration page, the available ticket types are: Business (Marketing / PR) Creative (Design) Creative (User Experience) Development (Java) Development (PHP) Development (Rails) Legal Videography / Blogging / Communications If this is for Web 2.0 ventures, why are the tickets for development languages so limited? JavaScript should be one the languages, and other server-side languages (such as Perl) are quite capable of building AJAXy and/or community based applications. Thanks and take care, - Scott. -- Scott Elcomb [ http://www.psema4.com/ ] "Our Founders' faith in the viability of representative democracy rested on their trust in the wisdom of a well-informed citizenry, their ingenious design for checks and balances, and their belief that the rule of reason is the natural sovereign of a free people." - Al Gore (The Assault on Reason, 2008) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 22 19:42:27 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:42:27 -0400 Subject: Oops. Ubuntu, sudo and Firefox Profiles In-Reply-To: <46A3AC28.70303-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0707221142g6261db54ofd7c5e210fc5f600@mail.gmail.com> <46A3AC28.70303@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0707221242w10123b81ta7b76b659680c8a1@mail.gmail.com> On 7/22/07, Jamon Camisso wrote: > sudo su will not change your path, so running as root will chown your > .mozilla directory. Try using su - instead, or sudo -i works a well. Ok, now I'm thoroughly confused. I checked the permissions on my .mozilla folder. They were normal. Checked the perms on the executable. Also normal. Tried a reboot... Now, I'm back to my original default profile, with all my bookmarks, history, and extensions. There's absolutely no sign of the two new profiles I created earlier - the ones that seemed to have caused the problem. Any idea what's going on here? -- Scott Elcomb [ http://www.psema4.com/ ] "Our Founders' faith in the viability of representative democracy rested on their trust in the wisdom of a well-informed citizenry, their ingenious design for checks and balances, and their belief that the rule of reason is the natural sovereign of a free people." - Al Gore (The Assault on Reason, 2008) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 22 20:01:51 2007 From: slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (SlackRat) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:01:51 +0200 Subject: spam from my pc? In-Reply-To: <46A2B1D1.6090106-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> (Madison Kelly's message of "Sat\, 21 Jul 2007 21\:24\:33 -0400") References: <46A2AA79.8080107@chrisaitken.net> <46A2B1D1.6090106@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <87wsws6wcw.fsf@azurservers.com> Madison Kelly writes: > Chris Aitken wrote: >> Somehow my computer (or registered domain) is being used to send >> emails. The only way I know this is that a few go to emasil >> addresses that send them back (I guess becuase the recipienmt is >> away or whatever). What can I do? It's kinda freaky - I guess I'm >> responsible for what comes from my computer/domain. My domain is >> shinypinemusic.com. So, I'm receiving delivery failure notices to >> whomever from [anyoneatall]@shinypinemusic.com >> >> Chris > > Check this, too; > > http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?%26domain%3Dshinypinemusic.com > > Was a good help that someone here posted when I was having trouble. > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > I posted the dnsstuff addy and find it usefull to run the check periodically - they also have some other dandy stuff available But on the forged email addresses there really is little that can be done I had thousands a day - just the bounces - for a period of Three weeks purportedly sent originally from @azurservers.com They seemed to have been spamming greeting cards and I finally simply changed root's configs in gnus/emacs and zapped anything with that in the Subject line -- SlackRat - No 4Q to Reply - WARNING: It is dangerous to your Health to be Right when the Government is Wrong -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 22 20:28:34 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:28:34 -0400 Subject: Startup Weekend Toronto In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0707221217t1abbccffs363e6a48c440b1b4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <689199.2845.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <99a6c38f0707221217t1abbccffs363e6a48c440b1b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: All that is exciting but thats not a weekend at all. I am working during these days... zb. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 22 20:36:47 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Startup Weekend Toronto In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <967891.79077.qm@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > All that is exciting but thats not a weekend at all. > I am working during > these days... ?!?!?! You did see the date was September 14, 15, 16, 2007, which is a Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? I know some folks must work on those days, but for most people that is a weekend... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 22 21:00:42 2007 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:00:42 -0400 Subject: Startup Weekend Toronto In-Reply-To: <967891.79077.qm-2K+iNxKRQwOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <967891.79077.qm@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am sorry. I assumed that its going to be in August. zb. On 7/22/07, Colin McGregor wrote: > > --- Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > All that is exciting but thats not a weekend at all. > > I am working during > > these days... > > ?!?!?! > > You did see the date was September 14, 15, 16, 2007, > which is a Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? I know some > folks must work on those days, but for most people > that is a weekend... > > Colin McGregor > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 22 21:13:27 2007 From: david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (David Payne) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:13:27 -0400 Subject: Oops. Ubuntu, sudo and Firefox Profiles In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0707221242w10123b81ta7b76b659680c8a1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0707221142g6261db54ofd7c5e210fc5f600@mail.gmail.com> <46A3AC28.70303@utoronto.ca> <99a6c38f0707221242w10123b81ta7b76b659680c8a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070722211326.GB3597@oldeddie.dapayne.no-ip.org> On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 03:42:27PM -0400, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 7/22/07, Jamon Camisso wrote: > >sudo su will not change your path, so running as root will chown your > >.mozilla directory. Try using su - instead, or sudo -i works a well. > > Ok, now I'm thoroughly confused. > > I checked the permissions on my .mozilla folder. They were normal. > Checked the perms on the executable. Also normal. Tried a reboot... > > Now, I'm back to my original default profile, with all my bookmarks, > history, and extensions. There's absolutely no sign of the two new > profiles I created earlier - the ones that seemed to have caused the > problem. > > Any idea what's going on here? > > -- > Scott Elcomb [ http://www.psema4.com/ ] > > "Our Founders' faith in the viability of representative democracy > rested on their trust in the wisdom of a well-informed citizenry, > their ingenious design for checks and balances, and their belief that > the rule of reason is the natural sovereign of a free people." - Al > Gore (The Assault on Reason, 2008) > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin > > '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting > on its shoes." - Mark Twain > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists Hi, I can't help fix your problem :-( but when you want to launch a GUI program as root try gksudoi (or kdesu if you use KDE). That should have prevented the problem. This article talks about it: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo Regards, David Payne -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 22 22:12:04 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:12:04 -0400 Subject: Startup Weekend Toronto In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0707221217t1abbccffs363e6a48c440b1b4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <689199.2845.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <99a6c38f0707221217t1abbccffs363e6a48c440b1b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0707221512j512c2b10ocf5dbb1d9530ce26@mail.gmail.com> On 7/22/07, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 7/22/07, Colin McGregor wrote: > > In exchanging e-mails with the event organizer, Ron > > Smith (who I have worked for), I gather his big > > concern is getting enough coders/developers, and > > getting to many marketters... > > Hi Colin, > > Could you please forward this message, or my email address... Thanks Colin. I've been in touch with a fellow who's helping clarify things, for me at least. There's now a registration category for JavaScript/Perl. I've asked that it be separated into two categories because one technology is client-side, the other server-side. As more information comes my way, I'll be more than happy to post it up to TLUG, TPM, HLUG, and HOSUG. If anyone's connected to other FOSS community groups nearby, please pass the information along! =) -- Scott Elcomb [ http://www.psema4.com/ ] "Our Founders' faith in the viability of representative democracy rested on their trust in the wisdom of a well-informed citizenry, their ingenious design for checks and balances, and their belief that the rule of reason is the natural sovereign of a free people." - Al Gore (The Assault on Reason, 2008) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From zh.huang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 03:10:29 2007 From: zh.huang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (zuoheng) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:10:29 +0800 Subject: recommendation for home broad band access Message-ID: <573409e0707222010p712123eke5ce8de874a9f4b8@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I need broad band access for a rent apartment. Cable and home phone are not very necessary. A naked broad band should be better choice, and should not have port filtering and download limitation. Any recommendation? Thanks in advance. /zuoheng -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 03:48:49 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:48:49 -0400 Subject: recommendation for home broad band access In-Reply-To: <573409e0707222010p712123eke5ce8de874a9f4b8-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <573409e0707222010p712123eke5ce8de874a9f4b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7ac602420707222048j6e038f21pd77a64c09ed56290@mail.gmail.com> Assuming there's already a wire running to the rental that could be a phone line, you might want to consider so-called "dry DSL". Ontario DSL offers the service in most of Ontario. (I think Ontario DSL is also called TekSavvy, or something.) Ontario DSL's internet service is good (I'm using it and it seems many others on the list also promote it)--they don't block any ports, a static IP is available for a few dollars per month, the speed is consistently high, and the tech support is generally good. Check them out at http://ontariodsl.ca Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 03:20:20 2007 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: recommendation for home broad band accessy In-Reply-To: <573409e0707222010p712123eke5ce8de874a9f4b8-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <573409e0707222010p712123eke5ce8de874a9f4b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, zuoheng wrote: > Hi, > > I need broad band access for a rent apartment. > Cable and home phone are not very necessary. A naked broad band should be > better choice, and should not have port filtering and download limitation. > > Any recommendation? http://teksavvy.com -- Chris F.A. Johnson ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 11:15:35 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:15:35 -0400 Subject: recommendation for home broad band access In-Reply-To: <573409e0707222010p712123eke5ce8de874a9f4b8-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <573409e0707222010p712123eke5ce8de874a9f4b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46A48DD7.6@rogers.com> zuoheng wrote: > Hi, > > I need broad band access for a rent apartment. > Cable and home phone are not very necessary. A naked broad band should > be better choice, and should not have port filtering and download > limitation. > > Any recommendation? > > Thanks in advance. > > /zuoheng ???? Generally, once you've found an apartment, you arrange for the services. If you can get cable or phone and most apartments have these, you can then get your choice of ISP. You don't have to chose your apartment based on ISP. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon-tlug-GaisZHhRk3c at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 12:44:17 2007 From: simon-tlug-GaisZHhRk3c at public.gmane.org (Simon P. Ditner) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: TrixBox (Linux/Asterisk distro) creator in town for a talk Message-ID: Hi All, On Wednesday evening at Metro Hall, Andrew Gillis, the creator of Asterisk at Home/TrixBox will be giving a talk on his TrixBox project. TrixBox is a custom CentOS distribution with all the telephony bells and whistles installed, Web GUI, CRM, and all sorts of goodies, and has grown to be one of the largest sourceforge projects with 80,000 downloads a month. Full details at: http://taug.ca/node/39 Cheers, Simon P. Ditner -- | It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what | you know for sure that just ain't so. -- Mark Twain | | The Toronto Asterisk Users Group | Join the discussion group by visiting http://taug.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 13:17:43 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:17:43 -0400 Subject: ext3 corrupted In-Reply-To: <200707211737.19559.marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200707211737.19559.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: <1185196663.29668.121.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Sat, 2007-07-21 at 17:37 -0400, Marc Lijour wrote: > I have a drive that got corrupted (just before it started to send SMART > alerts). I can't mount it and I get this error message: > > EXT3-fs error (device sda12): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group > 896 not in group (block 16777317)! > > I can't mount it as ext2 either, and I can't mount sda either. auto as type > does not work either. > > Running fsck and accepting all actions with a 'y' seems to have no effect. I > can't mount the disk and when I get to do fsck again I get the same actions. > > dd works. > > Do you know a way to get the data back? First, let the drive cool down. Sometimes heat and the expansion of the platters can cause read errors. Next, get another drive and perform a dd from the dying drive to the working drive. I would recommend booting from a rescue CD. Disc 1 from any Red Hat/Fedora/CentOS will act as a rescue CD by typing "linux rescue" at the boot prompt. Ubunutu's live boot would work as well and give you some GUI tools too. Use the 'noerror' option when using dd so that disk read errors will not abort the copy. If the data is particularly sensitive you may want to make another copy before continuing. I can't comment on the tools to use to fix that file system, fsck has generally worked for me. If you don't want to get your hands dirty there are labs that will restore the data for you by working a little harder to correct the file system errors. Good luck. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux Conference for users by users. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ontario DSL's internet service > is good (I'm using it and it seems many others on the list also > promote it)--they don't block any ports, a static IP is available for > a few dollars per month, the speed is consistently high, and the tech > support is generally good. Check them out at http://ontariodsl.ca > > Ian > I'm with Ontario DSL. They are a reseller of Teksavvy services. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 13:24:40 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:24:40 -0400 Subject: SATA to IDE converters in Toronto? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070723132440.GA15498@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 12:19:51PM -0400, Michael MacLeod wrote: > I'm looking for a SATA to IDE converter to take a SATA hard drive and > use it in a computer with only IDE interfaces. I've found an ideal > solution here: > > http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=659561 > > However, I'd like to pick it up this weekend, so purchasing it online > isn't going to help any. Does anyone know where I might be able to > pick one up at an actual brick and mortar location? http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=013875 http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=012801 http://www.etccomputer.ca/eShop/default.asp?categoryid=2 (right at the bottom) Of course make sure the system supports LBA48 if you intend to use a drive larger than 137GB since there is nothing the convertor can do to help you if the BIOS/ide controller on the system is crap. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 13:28:36 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:28:36 -0400 Subject: ext3 corrupted In-Reply-To: <200707211737.19559.marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200707211737.19559.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: <20070723132836.GB15498@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 05:37:19PM -0400, Marc Lijour wrote: > I have a drive that got corrupted (just before it started to send SMART > alerts). I can't mount it and I get this error message: > > EXT3-fs error (device sda12): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group > 896 not in group (block 16777317)! > > I can't mount it as ext2 either, and I can't mount sda either. auto as type > does not work either. > > Running fsck and accepting all actions with a 'y' seems to have no effect. I > can't mount the disk and when I get to do fsck again I get the same actions. > > dd works. > > Do you know a way to get the data back? > > Thanks a lot (!) Well you could try fsck with the -b 8193 option to tell it to use an alternate superblock. Might work. If the drive is actually going bad, certainly the advice of letting it cool off is a good one. I actually managed to recover all the data from a failed drive for my sister that refused to even try to boot, by trying it out right after getting home in the middle of winter while the computer was probably at about -10C. Read everything perfectly and got all the data of it and onto new dists (I replaced it with raid1). Didn't even get a single read error, it just ran perfectly. I have read that a lot of recovery people will actually freeze the drive before trying to read it since it apparently works quite well in many cases without having to do anything complicated. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 13:32:38 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:32:38 -0400 Subject: ext3 corrupted In-Reply-To: <1185196663.29668.121.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <200707211737.19559.marc@lijour.net> <1185196663.29668.121.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <46A4ADF6.70602@alteeve.com> John Van Ostrand wrote: > On Sat, 2007-07-21 at 17:37 -0400, Marc Lijour wrote: > >> I have a drive that got corrupted (just before it started to send SMART >> alerts). I can't mount it and I get this error message: >> >> EXT3-fs error (device sda12): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group >> 896 not in group (block 16777317)! >> >> I can't mount it as ext2 either, and I can't mount sda either. auto as type >> does not work either. >> >> Running fsck and accepting all actions with a 'y' seems to have no effect. I >> can't mount the disk and when I get to do fsck again I get the same actions. >> >> dd works. >> >> Do you know a way to get the data back? > > > First, let the drive cool down. Sometimes heat and the expansion of the > platters can cause read errors. > > Next, get another drive and perform a dd from the dying drive to the > working drive. I would recommend booting from a rescue CD. Disc 1 from > any Red Hat/Fedora/CentOS will act as a rescue CD by typing "linux > rescue" at the boot prompt. Ubunutu's live boot would work as well and > give you some GUI tools too. Use the 'noerror' option when using dd so > that disk read errors will not abort the copy. > > If the data is particularly sensitive you may want to make another copy > before continuing. > > I can't comment on the tools to use to fix that file system, fsck has > generally worked for me. If you don't want to get your hands dirty there > are labs that will restore the data for you by working a little harder > to correct the file system errors. > > Good luck. These are good suggestions, specially the 'dd' one. One trouble with any journaled file system is that data recovery is very difficult. An ext2 partition is simple to recover, by comparison. It's to the point now where if I have an ext3 (or other journaled) FS, I get paranoid about backups. My personal view/experience is that it's just not possible, but I am also not an expert. I would suggest that, if your data is critical, do not attempt anything beyond the 'dd' yourself. Ontrack (http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.com/ontrack) was the DR house I've used in the past. They're very talented, and recovered a physically defective drive a client had (whose tape backup had silently failed, ending my trust of tape backups ever since). I believe it was about $1,700 and they were unable to recover the directory structure, but all the data was there. It took about two more days to recreate the directory structure, but in the end we got all the data back. I believe they will look at your drive and give you an idea of the likely hood of recovering your data before doing billable work. At least they did back when I last needed them. I would *only* suggest trying anything further on your defective disk if you get a quote from them (or another DR house) and you decide it's too expensive (ie: 'nothing to lose'). If you do manage to make a dd image, try doing data recovery on a copy of the image. You really do not want to touch the source drive *any* more than you have to. I wish I had better news. :( Journaling is a double-edged sword. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 13:34:33 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:34:33 -0400 Subject: ext3 corrupted In-Reply-To: <20070723132836.GB15498-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200707211737.19559.marc@lijour.net> <20070723132836.GB15498@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46A4AE69.6040507@alteeve.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 05:37:19PM -0400, Marc Lijour wrote: >> I have a drive that got corrupted (just before it started to send SMART >> alerts). I can't mount it and I get this error message: >> >> EXT3-fs error (device sda12): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group >> 896 not in group (block 16777317)! >> >> I can't mount it as ext2 either, and I can't mount sda either. auto as type >> does not work either. >> >> Running fsck and accepting all actions with a 'y' seems to have no effect. I >> can't mount the disk and when I get to do fsck again I get the same actions. >> >> dd works. >> >> Do you know a way to get the data back? >> >> Thanks a lot (!) > > Well you could try fsck with the -b 8193 option to tell it to use an > alternate superblock. Might work. > > If the drive is actually going bad, certainly the advice of letting it > cool off is a good one. I actually managed to recover all the data from > a failed drive for my sister that refused to even try to boot, by trying > it out right after getting home in the middle of winter while the > computer was probably at about -10C. Read everything perfectly and got > all the data of it and onto new dists (I replaced it with raid1). > Didn't even get a single read error, it just ran perfectly. I have read > that a lot of recovery people will actually freeze the drive before > trying to read it since it apparently works quite well in many cases > without having to do anything complicated. Just be careful to do the post-freeze DR in a low humidity environment! Condensation could make things worse, if you are not careful. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 13:37:07 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:37:07 -0400 Subject: ext3 corrupted In-Reply-To: <46A4ADF6.70602-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200707211737.19559.marc@lijour.net> <1185196663.29668.121.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <46A4ADF6.70602@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20070723133707.GD15498@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 09:32:38AM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > These are good suggestions, specially the 'dd' one. > > One trouble with any journaled file system is that data recovery is very > difficult. An ext2 partition is simple to recover, by comparison. It's > to the point now where if I have an ext3 (or other journaled) FS, I get > paranoid about backups. My personal view/experience is that it's just > not possible, but I am also not an expert. > > I would suggest that, if your data is critical, do not attempt anything > beyond the 'dd' yourself. > > Ontrack (http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.com/ontrack) was the DR house > I've used in the past. They're very talented, and recovered a physically > defective drive a client had (whose tape backup had silently failed, > ending my trust of tape backups ever since). I believe it was about > $1,700 and they were unable to recover the directory structure, but all > the data was there. It took about two more days to recreate the > directory structure, but in the end we got all the data back. I believe > they will look at your drive and give you an idea of the likely hood of > recovering your data before doing billable work. At least they did back > when I last needed them. > > I would *only* suggest trying anything further on your defective disk if > you get a quote from them (or another DR house) and you decide it's too > expensive (ie: 'nothing to lose'). If you do manage to make a dd image, > try doing data recovery on a copy of the image. You really do not want > to touch the source drive *any* more than you have to. > > I wish I had better news. :( Journaling is a double-edged sword. Any time you are trying to recover data, the first thing you do is make a raw copy of the device to an image somewhere else. Then you put the original device away and don't touch it anymore. You then copy the image onto a spare device, and do your filesystem recovery there. If you screw up, copy the image to the device again. You should never mess with the original data since you may end up causing more harm than good with one of your attemps, and then you can't try again with something else because you already ruined what you had left. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 13:38:55 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:38:55 -0400 Subject: ext3 corrupted In-Reply-To: <46A4AE69.6040507-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200707211737.19559.marc@lijour.net> <20070723132836.GB15498@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46A4AE69.6040507@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20070723133855.GE15498@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 09:34:33AM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > Just be careful to do the post-freeze DR in a low humidity environment! > Condensation could make things worse, if you are not careful. :) Absolutely. Fortunately the humidity in Febuary is very low. Not sure I would try it in this weather. Of course even some of the can of air for removing dust might cool a drive enough to make it read better, long enough to get the data off it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 13:45:05 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:45:05 -0400 Subject: [OT] Copyright Board of Canada gives thumbs-up to "iPod tax" Message-ID: <1e55af990707230645j38c65ay66dbe684808d1619@mail.gmail.com> Since this kind of thing seems to be discussed with some regularity on this mailing list.. It's particularly topical because of the recent RMS speech. We didn't have a Canadian example then. We do now.. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070720-copyright-board-of-canada-gives-thumbs-up-to-ipod-tax.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From zh.huang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 13:18:00 2007 From: zh.huang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (zuoheng) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:18:00 +0800 Subject: recommendation for home broad band access In-Reply-To: <46A48DD7.6-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <573409e0707222010p712123eke5ce8de874a9f4b8@mail.gmail.com> <46A48DD7.6@rogers.com> Message-ID: <573409e0707230618y15d31996n4e3ac81973de95ff@mail.gmail.com> haha. I am not picking apartment based on ISP selection in fact. I have rent an apartment only for 6 monthes, that is why I don't need a cable and phone. But I can't live without broad band. Thanks, guys. I will check the two ISPs you recommand. /zuoheng -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 13:34:21 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:34:21 -0400 Subject: recommendation for home broad band access In-Reply-To: <46A48DD7.6-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <573409e0707222010p712123eke5ce8de874a9f4b8@mail.gmail.com> <46A48DD7.6@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070723133421.GC15498@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 07:15:35AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Generally, once you've found an apartment, you arrange for the > services. If you can get cable or phone and most apartments have these, > you can then get your choice of ISP. You don't have to chose your > apartment based on ISP. It took 2.5 years for my house to get DSL service after moving there, even though I asked my ISP before buying if they could check if that area had support. They asked Bell, Bell said "Yes it does", but when it came time to move the DSL service, Bell suddenly said, "No it doesn't". So you can check, and even then get screwed. The ISP eventually managed to get info out of Bell along the lines of "The DSLAM is full" or something similar. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 15:03:09 2007 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OT] Copyright Board of Canada gives thumbs-up to "iPod tax" In-Reply-To: <1e55af990707230645j38c65ay66dbe684808d1619-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990707230645j38c65ay66dbe684808d1619@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <823196.873.qm@web88112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sy Ali wrote: Since this kind of thing seems to be discussed with some regularity on this mailing list.. It's particularly topical because of the recent RMS speech. We didn't have a Canadian example then. We do now.. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070720-copyright-board-of-canada-gives-thumbs-up-to-ipod-tax.html -- This is a major piss off for me. I am a serious protographer and use 4 gig memory cards. They want to tax them under this proposal. I use dozens of DVDs and CDs to store and distribute my photographs. Making me pay a tax on media is wrong. When people believe that a law is wrong, they are likely to break it. Motivating people to break a law is never a good thing. Stephen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 15:08:24 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:08:24 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <20070716160014.GV31194-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <20070716160014.GV31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46A4C468.8070804@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 04:51:29PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > > >>I am upgrading my home recording studio. >> >>I need a linux-friendly PCI sound card with co-axial S/PDIF input that >>will work in a PIII 733 MHz machine. >> >>Background: Unless I get better advice, I am going to get Focusrite's >>Trakmaster Pro microphone preamplifier/compressor and their Platinum Pro >>ADC add-on. I'll get these from Long & McQuade in Toronto. What L&McQ >>can't help me with is a linux-friendly PCI sound card (for my PIII 733 >>MHz processor PC) that has a digital in (co-axial S/PDIF). My PC >>currently has the SoundBlaster Live 5.1 which does not have digital in >>(let alone co-axial S/PDIF). >> >> > >Might not be the easiest thing to find. Many new motherboards come with >spdif on the motherboard, so there isn't as much demand for cheap cards >with that available. Most people using add in sound cards do it because >they want some specific high end feature. > >My old SB Live Platinum has spdif coax, and the platinum 2 came with >optical as well (which mine doesn't have). Both are very well supported >by alsa. I don't know the state of support for the newer audigy or x-fi >line, but I expect at least the audigys to be supported. > >Now for something impresive looking there is this: >http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=011735&cid=SC > > It does look nice. However, after reading the specifications and looking at the pictures, I'm still not sure if it has co-ax s/pdif input. Maybe their so-called "s/pdif combo" somehow takes both (co-ax and optical)... Thanks for your help here, Lennart. Chris >Looking at the alsa development, there has been a number of checkins in >cvs over the last few weeks relating to the cmi8788 chip, so at least >support is being worked on, although it is probably still not complete >at this time (perhaps in a month or two). One could always help out >with debuging and testing. > >Something like an SB Audigy OEM card also supports spdif coax, although >you need a 1/8" jack adapter to hook it up as far as I know. > >-- >Len Sorensen > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 15:49:10 2007 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:49:10 -0400 Subject: linuxcaffe web wonders whip up dark organic stylesheets Message-ID: that's right folks, brand new style for the linuxcaffe website ! check it out ! http://linuxcaffe.ca djp -- djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org OR davamundo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org www.linuxcaffe.ca geek chic and caffe cachet 326 Harbord Street, Toronto, M6G 3A5, (416) 534-2116 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 16:14:59 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:14:59 -0400 Subject: semi-pro PCI snd crd for linux In-Reply-To: <46A4C468.8070804-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4697E5D1.4020807@chrisaitken.net> <20070716160014.GV31194@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46A4C468.8070804@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20070723161459.GF15498@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 11:08:24AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > It does look nice. However, after reading the specifications and looking > at the pictures, I'm still not sure if it has co-ax s/pdif input. Maybe > their so-called "s/pdif combo" somehow takes both (co-ax and optical)... It has a digital coax connector. It also comes with a lens adapter that connects a standard optical connector to the coax port (there must be an optical transmitter inside the center of the coax connector. I have seen them before. Pretty clever design really. So yes it does both coax and optical S/PDIF, and as far as I can tell it also does some other digital protocoo besides S/PDIF if desired. They are coming out with a new card to replace that particular model (which is discontinued due to problems getting components), and the new card is very similar but use the chip from the X-Fi from creative, although with much higer quality components around it. Not sure what the state of X-Fi support in ALSA is at this time. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 16:29:31 2007 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:29:31 -0400 Subject: [OT] Copyright Board of Canada gives thumbs-up to "iPod tax" In-Reply-To: <823196.873.qm-aYlvf0b23p+B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990707230645j38c65ay66dbe684808d1619@mail.gmail.com> <823196.873.qm@web88112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <768631270707230929o2a5a5dfej759099c77194876b@mail.gmail.com> Interesting, they are proposing on extending this Tax to other digital media such as computer's and phones LOL. This really makes me want to go out any buy a bunch of Metallica CDs. On 7/23/07, Stephen wrote: > Sy Ali wrote: > Since this kind of thing seems to be discussed with some regularity on > this mailing list.. > > It's particularly topical because of the recent RMS speech. We didn't > have a Canadian example then. We do now.. > > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070720-copyright-board-of-canada-gives-thumbs-up-to-ipod-tax.html > -- > > This is a major piss off for me. I am a serious protographer and use 4 gig > memory cards. They want to tax them under this proposal. > > I use dozens of DVDs and CDs to store and distribute my photographs. Making > me pay a tax on media is wrong. > > When people believe that a law is wrong, they are likely to break it. > Motivating people to break a law is never a good thing. > > Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 17:10:52 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:10:52 -0400 Subject: [OT] Copyright Board of Canada gives thumbs-up to "iPod tax" In-Reply-To: <768631270707230929o2a5a5dfej759099c77194876b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990707230645j38c65ay66dbe684808d1619@mail.gmail.com> <823196.873.qm@web88112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <768631270707230929o2a5a5dfej759099c77194876b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0707231010h14b33017t6a020f8a57ac371a@mail.gmail.com> On 7/23/07, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Interesting, they are proposing on extending this Tax to other digital > media such as computer's and phones > > LOL. This really makes me want to go out any buy a bunch of Metallica CDs. Fire BAD! =) Heh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIuR5TNyL8Y -- Scott Elcomb [ http://www.psema4.com/ ] "Our Founders' faith in the viability of representative democracy rested on their trust in the wisdom of a well-informed citizenry, their ingenious design for checks and balances, and their belief that the rule of reason is the natural sovereign of a free people." - Al Gore (The Assault on Reason, 2008) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 17:25:47 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:25:47 -0400 Subject: Startup Weekend Toronto In-Reply-To: <689199.2845.qm-JoSsSUNfUciB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <689199.2845.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990707231025t7502b14fqd9f515fa4835f247@mail.gmail.com> I've passed this on to the Ruby and the Rails groups. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-G8usDCtqe957Ar2qsurDTA at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 17:59:41 2007 From: tlug-G8usDCtqe957Ar2qsurDTA at public.gmane.org (Allen Taylor) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:59:41 -0400 Subject: ext3 corrupted In-Reply-To: <46A4AE69.6040507-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200707211737.19559.marc@lijour.net> <20070723132836.GB15498@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46A4AE69.6040507@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20070723175941.GA15072@thecat.localnet> On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 09:34:33AM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 05:37:19PM -0400, Marc Lijour wrote: > >>I have a drive that got corrupted (just before it started to send SMART > >>alerts). I can't mount it and I get this error message: > >> > >>EXT3-fs error (device sda12): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for > >>group 896 not in group (block 16777317)! > >> > >>I can't mount it as ext2 either, and I can't mount sda either. auto as > >>type does not work either. > >> > >>Running fsck and accepting all actions with a 'y' seems to have no > >>effect. I can't mount the disk and when I get to do fsck again I get the > >>same actions. > >> > >>dd works. > >> > >>Do you know a way to get the data back? > >> > >>Thanks a lot (!) > > > >Well you could try fsck with the -b 8193 option to tell it to use an > >alternate superblock. Might work. > > > >If the drive is actually going bad, certainly the advice of letting it > >cool off is a good one. I actually managed to recover all the data from > >a failed drive for my sister that refused to even try to boot, by trying > >it out right after getting home in the middle of winter while the > >computer was probably at about -10C. Read everything perfectly and got > >all the data of it and onto new dists (I replaced it with raid1). > >Didn't even get a single read error, it just ran perfectly. I have read > >that a lot of recovery people will actually freeze the drive before > >trying to read it since it apparently works quite well in many cases > >without having to do anything complicated. > > Just be careful to do the post-freeze DR in a low humidity environment! > Condensation could make things worse, if you are not careful. :) To address the humidity issue, I place the drive in a "zip lock" bag before putting it in the freezer. The next day I only open the zip lock bag enough to attach power and data cable and run that way. I've done this a few times with good results about half the time. The other half I suspect would be only be recoverable by the above mentioned experts. YMMV Allen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 19:27:27 2007 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: linuxcaffe web wonders whip up dark organic stylesheets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, David J Patrick wrote: > that's right folks, brand new style for the linuxcaffe website ! > > check it out ! > > http://linuxcaffe.ca The site has problems when the font size is increased so that I can read it: . And the page doesn't adjust to different window sizes. If it did, there probably wouldn't be the problem seen in the screenshot. -- Chris F.A. Johnson ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 21:19:39 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:19:39 +0000 Subject: ext3 corrupted In-Reply-To: <20070723175941.GA15072-70WplSiaoiAG/9ncUZ6upg@public.gmane.org> References: <200707211737.19559.marc@lijour.net> <20070723132836.GB15498@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46A4AE69.6040507@alteeve.com> <20070723175941.GA15072@thecat.localnet> Message-ID: <3a97ef0707231419h5201e290ubc73fd62189c0121@mail.gmail.com> I've had good luck with this method as well. I've managed to stick hard-drives in sealed freezer-bags from both laptops and desktops, then get them running long enough to pull the data off. Sometimes the cold is enough to unstick the bearings and get the suckers runnings, but as soon as it's up make sure to copy all the data because it usually doesn't last long. I use either dd if=/dev/hda of=/path/to/imagefile (add blocksize and other arguements as needed, I generally go with "bs=1k") or if you can get a good shot at the filesystem: tar -cf - * | tar -xf - -C /path/to/new/location On 7/23/07, Allen Taylor wrote: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 09:34:33AM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > >On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 05:37:19PM -0400, Marc Lijour wrote: > > >>I have a drive that got corrupted (just before it started to send SMART > > >>alerts). I can't mount it and I get this error message: > > >> > > >>EXT3-fs error (device sda12): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for > > >>group 896 not in group (block 16777317)! > > >> > > >>I can't mount it as ext2 either, and I can't mount sda either. auto as > > >>type does not work either. > > >> > > >>Running fsck and accepting all actions with a 'y' seems to have no > > >>effect. I can't mount the disk and when I get to do fsck again I get the > > >>same actions. > > >> > > >>dd works. > > >> > > >>Do you know a way to get the data back? > > >> > > >>Thanks a lot (!) > > > > > >Well you could try fsck with the -b 8193 option to tell it to use an > > >alternate superblock. Might work. > > > > > >If the drive is actually going bad, certainly the advice of letting it > > >cool off is a good one. I actually managed to recover all the data from > > >a failed drive for my sister that refused to even try to boot, by trying > > >it out right after getting home in the middle of winter while the > > >computer was probably at about -10C. Read everything perfectly and got > > >all the data of it and onto new dists (I replaced it with raid1). > > >Didn't even get a single read error, it just ran perfectly. I have read > > >that a lot of recovery people will actually freeze the drive before > > >trying to read it since it apparently works quite well in many cases > > >without having to do anything complicated. > > > > Just be careful to do the post-freeze DR in a low humidity environment! > > Condensation could make things worse, if you are not careful. :) > > To address the humidity issue, I place the drive in a "zip lock" bag > before putting it in the freezer. The next day I only open the zip lock > bag enough to attach power and data cable and run that way. > > I've done this a few times with good results about half the time. The > other half I suspect would be only be recoverable by the above mentioned > experts. YMMV > > Allen > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 23 22:20:49 2007 From: gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (George Nicol) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:20:49 -0400 Subject: Startup Weekend Toronto In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0707221512j512c2b10ocf5dbb1d9530ce26-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <689199.2845.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <99a6c38f0707221217t1abbccffs363e6a48c440b1b4@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f0707221512j512c2b10ocf5dbb1d9530ce26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46A529C1.7070709@primus.ca> Scott Elcomb wrote: > If anyone's connected to other FOSS community groups nearby, > please pass the information along! Coincides (not very) nicely with Software Freedom Day on September 15. In 2006, the registered Toronto SFD Team was #182 - linuxcaffe - Toronto, Canada (David Patrick & Teddy Mills) I don't think a Toronto Team has registered this year. Registrations for SFD Teams that want to receive free SFD Team supplies (including stickers, t-shirts, CDs, and balloons) to support their SFD activities close on July 31, just a week away. The registration page is here: http://softwarefreedomday.org/cgi/register.html I would like to participate but figure that experienced team members should be the ones to sign up for all of us. djp? tdm? Sorry for swerving the thread - replies should probably start a new thread rather than continuing here. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 00:29:07 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:29:07 -0400 Subject: [OT] Copyright Board of Canada gives thumbs-up to "iPod tax" In-Reply-To: <823196.873.qm-aYlvf0b23p+B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <823196.873.qm@web88112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1185236947.5004.119.camel@stan64.site> On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 11:03 -0400, Stephen wrote: > Sy Ali wrote: > Since this kind of thing seems to be discussed with some > regularity on > this mailing list.. > > It's particularly topical because of the recent RMS speech. We > didn't > have a Canadian example then. We do now.. > > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070720-copyright-board-of-canada-gives-thumbs-up-to-ipod-tax.html > -- > > This is a major piss off for me. I am a serious protographer and use 4 > gig memory cards. They want to tax them under this proposal. > > I use dozens of DVDs and CDs to store and distribute my photographs. > Making me pay a tax on media is wrong. So is paying high insurance rates as a young teen driver in Ontario, when you are actually a good driver, but you still pay (oh do you pay), your paying because like insurance they don't give a rats ass that they actually get the money from the people who actually tax the system, its just all done on statistics. -tl > > When people believe that a law is wrong, they are likely to break it. > Motivating people to break a law is never a good thing. > > Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 01:47:13 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:47:13 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? Message-ID: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> Hi all, I've got an offer for three-days consulting work in the US. Has anyone here had recent experience travel down south for work? Any tips for a painless border crossing? Thanks! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 01:53:52 2007 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ext3 corrupted In-Reply-To: <46A4ADF6.70602-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200707211737.19559.marc@lijour.net> <1185196663.29668.121.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <46A4ADF6.70602@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1262.192.168.0.103.1185242032.squirrel@www.lijour.net> > John Van Ostrand wrote: >> On Sat, 2007-07-21 at 17:37 -0400, Marc Lijour wrote: >> >>> I have a drive that got corrupted (just before it started to send SMART >>> alerts). I can't mount it and I get this error message: >>> >>> EXT3-fs error (device sda12): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for >>> group >>> 896 not in group (block 16777317)! >>> >>> I can't mount it as ext2 either, and I can't mount sda either. auto as >>> type >>> does not work either. >>> >>> Running fsck and accepting all actions with a 'y' seems to have no >>> effect. I >>> can't mount the disk and when I get to do fsck again I get the same >>> actions. >>> >>> dd works. >>> >>> Do you know a way to get the data back? >> >> >> First, let the drive cool down. Sometimes heat and the expansion of the >> platters can cause read errors. >> >> Next, get another drive and perform a dd from the dying drive to the >> working drive. I would recommend booting from a rescue CD. Disc 1 from >> any Red Hat/Fedora/CentOS will act as a rescue CD by typing "linux >> rescue" at the boot prompt. Ubunutu's live boot would work as well and >> give you some GUI tools too. Use the 'noerror' option when using dd so >> that disk read errors will not abort the copy. >> >> If the data is particularly sensitive you may want to make another copy >> before continuing. >> >> I can't comment on the tools to use to fix that file system, fsck has >> generally worked for me. If you don't want to get your hands dirty there >> are labs that will restore the data for you by working a little harder >> to correct the file system errors. >> >> Good luck. > > These are good suggestions, specially the 'dd' one. > > One trouble with any journaled file system is that data recovery is very > difficult. An ext2 partition is simple to recover, by comparison. It's > to the point now where if I have an ext3 (or other journaled) FS, I get > paranoid about backups. My personal view/experience is that it's just > not possible, but I am also not an expert. > > I would suggest that, if your data is critical, do not attempt anything > beyond the 'dd' yourself. > > Ontrack (http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.com/ontrack) was the DR house > I've used in the past. They're very talented, and recovered a physically > defective drive a client had (whose tape backup had silently failed, > ending my trust of tape backups ever since). I believe it was about > $1,700 and they were unable to recover the directory structure, but all > the data was there. It took about two more days to recreate the > directory structure, but in the end we got all the data back. I believe > they will look at your drive and give you an idea of the likely hood of > recovering your data before doing billable work. At least they did back > when I last needed them. > > I would *only* suggest trying anything further on your defective disk if > you get a quote from them (or another DR house) and you decide it's too > expensive (ie: 'nothing to lose'). If you do manage to make a dd image, > try doing data recovery on a copy of the image. You really do not want > to touch the source drive *any* more than you have to. > > I wish I had better news. :( Journaling is a double-edged sword. Thank you for all these great tips. It's hard to keep up with the mail with one less computer ;) I have 2 disks. My data is one the drive which failed. I commented it out from /etc/fstab and I stopped using it. Now the second drive seems to be failing. I even got the BIOS not founding the drives at boot time once. Which makes me wonder if the problem does not come from the board. In any case, I have a technical question about dd. My data is on /dev/sda10 (around 100GB). Say I plug another SATA drive (say a new 500GB drive). How should I proceed? I assume I should first create a partition with exactly the same size (or a little more) on the new drive, and then run dd. Is that correct? At that point, you'll understand I take no chance with my data ;) Thanks -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 02:04:46 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:04:46 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <46A55A21.80708-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <0AEFF259-D78F-4D61-80F6-C32C055849B7@visibleassets.com> Yeah, Don't ever say you are going down there for work. Just say you are going to visit friends Wishing I had asked this question before I did the wrong thing Dave On 23-Jul-07, at 9:47 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got an offer for three-days consulting work in the US. Has > anyone here had recent experience travel down south for work? Any > tips for a painless border crossing? > > Thanks! > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 02:07:30 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:07:30 -0400 Subject: ext3 corrupted In-Reply-To: <1262.192.168.0.103.1185242032.squirrel-yQHV/pc6l8fuNdv6BosnGw@public.gmane.org> References: <200707211737.19559.marc@lijour.net> <1185196663.29668.121.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <46A4ADF6.70602@alteeve.com> <1262.192.168.0.103.1185242032.squirrel@www.lijour.net> Message-ID: <46A55EE2.1010800@utoronto.ca> Marc Lijour wrote: >> John Van Ostrand wrote: >>> On Sat, 2007-07-21 at 17:37 -0400, Marc Lijour wrote: >>> >>>> I have a drive that got corrupted (just before it started to send SMART >>>> alerts). I can't mount it and I get this error message: >>>> >>>> EXT3-fs error (device sda12): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for >>>> group >>>> 896 not in group (block 16777317)! >>>> >>>> I can't mount it as ext2 either, and I can't mount sda either. auto as >>>> type >>>> does not work either. >>>> >>>> Running fsck and accepting all actions with a 'y' seems to have no >>>> effect. I >>>> can't mount the disk and when I get to do fsck again I get the same >>>> actions. >>>> >>>> dd works. >>>> >>>> Do you know a way to get the data back? >>> >>> First, let the drive cool down. Sometimes heat and the expansion of the >>> platters can cause read errors. >>> >>> Next, get another drive and perform a dd from the dying drive to the >>> working drive. I would recommend booting from a rescue CD. Disc 1 from >>> any Red Hat/Fedora/CentOS will act as a rescue CD by typing "linux >>> rescue" at the boot prompt. Ubunutu's live boot would work as well and >>> give you some GUI tools too. Use the 'noerror' option when using dd so >>> that disk read errors will not abort the copy. >>> >>> If the data is particularly sensitive you may want to make another copy >>> before continuing. >>> >>> I can't comment on the tools to use to fix that file system, fsck has >>> generally worked for me. If you don't want to get your hands dirty there >>> are labs that will restore the data for you by working a little harder >>> to correct the file system errors. >>> >>> Good luck. >> These are good suggestions, specially the 'dd' one. >> >> One trouble with any journaled file system is that data recovery is very >> difficult. An ext2 partition is simple to recover, by comparison. It's >> to the point now where if I have an ext3 (or other journaled) FS, I get >> paranoid about backups. My personal view/experience is that it's just >> not possible, but I am also not an expert. >> >> I would suggest that, if your data is critical, do not attempt anything >> beyond the 'dd' yourself. >> >> Ontrack (http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.com/ontrack) was the DR house >> I've used in the past. They're very talented, and recovered a physically >> defective drive a client had (whose tape backup had silently failed, >> ending my trust of tape backups ever since). I believe it was about >> $1,700 and they were unable to recover the directory structure, but all >> the data was there. It took about two more days to recreate the >> directory structure, but in the end we got all the data back. I believe >> they will look at your drive and give you an idea of the likely hood of >> recovering your data before doing billable work. At least they did back >> when I last needed them. >> >> I would *only* suggest trying anything further on your defective disk if >> you get a quote from them (or another DR house) and you decide it's too >> expensive (ie: 'nothing to lose'). If you do manage to make a dd image, >> try doing data recovery on a copy of the image. You really do not want >> to touch the source drive *any* more than you have to. >> >> I wish I had better news. :( Journaling is a double-edged sword. > > Thank you for all these great tips. It's hard to keep up with the mail > with one less computer ;) > > I have 2 disks. My data is one the drive which failed. I commented it out > from /etc/fstab and I stopped using it. Now the second drive seems to be > failing. I even got the BIOS not founding the drives at boot time once. > Which makes me wonder if the problem does not come from the board. > > In any case, I have a technical question about dd. My data is on > /dev/sda10 (around 100GB). Say I plug another SATA drive (say a new 500GB > drive). How should I proceed? I assume I should first create a partition > with exactly the same size (or a little more) on the new drive, and then > run dd. Is that correct? At that point, you'll understand I take no chance > with my data ;) Try mounting the dd image with mount -o loop. You can then copy the data from the mounted image, not the image itself, onto whatever size partition you choose on the 500gb drive. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 02:52:21 2007 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:52:21 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <46A55A21.80708-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <46A56965.70504@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got an offer for three-days consulting work in the US. Has > anyone here had recent experience travel down south for work? Any tips > for a painless border crossing? > If you are going to do this, and obey the rules, you need a TN (Trade NAFTA) Visa. They are a pain, but you have a right to one, if you qualify. You need paperwork (job offer, contract) and cost is USD60. Lying to US border agents can keep you out of the US for a decade. Be careful. Going for "Business Meetings" is a safe explanation for your trip. Three days is OK. Explain that you will be working in Canada if you get the contract as a result of the meetings. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 03:06:07 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:06:07 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <0AEFF259-D78F-4D61-80F6-C32C055849B7-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <0AEFF259-D78F-4D61-80F6-C32C055849B7@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <46A56C9F.4020400@telly.org> Dave Cramer wrote: > Don't ever say you are going down there for work. Just say you are > going to visit friends That can also be problematic; the border guards are getting better/worse at trying to trip people up if they don' t have a consistent story. A flip of the coin or a bad cup of coffee could make the difference between an indifferent nod and the third degree (I've had my share of both). They can and will prevent a Canadian from going to work as an employee (salary or contract) of a US company without appropriate permits (which is why "I' m going there to work" sets off alarm bells). They will not prevent you as an employee of a Canadian company going to meet with an American supplier or client. But " meeting with clients" is not the same as " doing work" for them. One other clean and legitimate way to do this -- and what I would recommend to Madison if she qualifies -- is to apply at the border (ie, at the airport pre-clearance) as a "NAFTA Professional". Useful websites to explain this are http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/types/types_1274.html and http://www.amcits.com/nafta.asp Make sure that all documentation says that you are performing your work as a "computer systems analyst", regardless of the specifics of the job. That term is a specifically listed "NAFTA Profession", whereas "System Administration" is not. Check http://www.amcits.com/nafta_professions.asp for a list of acceptable professions. If you meet the requirements, and aren't in their database as a security threat, they can' t turn you down. IANAIL, but I've used all of these tactics at one time or another. I've don' t recall ever having to lie. - Evan (ANAIL -- I am not an immigration lawyer) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 03:09:36 2007 From: jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (John Sellens) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? Message-ID: <200707240309.l6O39ajk035760@localhost.generalconcepts.com> | > I've got an offer for three-days consulting work in the US. Has | > anyone here had recent experience travel down south for work? Any tips | > for a painless border crossing? | > | If you are going to do this, and obey the rules, you need a TN (Trade | NAFTA) Visa. They are a pain, but you have a right to one, if you | qualify. You need paperwork (job offer, contract) and cost is USD60. This page: http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/types/types_1274.html says that a TN visa is only for full- or part-time employment, not self-employment. i.e. The U.S. company must hire you as an employee. And it must be in a certain profession e.g. "Computer Systems Analyst" with certain educational and experience requirements. At least, that's how I read it. Though a "business visitor" might suit: http://www.nafta-sec-alena.org/DefaultSite/index_e.aspx?DetailID=167#Ap1603.D.1 which says "Professionals engaging in a business activity at a professional level in a profession set out in Appendix 1603.D.1" which includes "computer systems analyst". IANAL. Your mileage may vary. Void where prohibited. Not exactly as illustrated. Don't try this at home. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 03:53:16 2007 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:53:16 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <200707240309.l6O39ajk035760-bi+AKbBUZKYsbE7Vo+MiNSGuMlDgniV8mpATvIKMPHk@public.gmane.org> References: <200707240309.l6O39ajk035760@localhost.generalconcepts.com> Message-ID: <46A577AC.8010305@rogers.com> John Sellens wrote: > | If you are going to do this, and obey the rules, you need a TN (Trade > | NAFTA) Visa. They are a pain, but you have a right to one, if you > | qualify. You need paperwork (job offer, contract) and cost is USD60. > > This page: > http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/types/types_1274.html > says that a TN visa is only for full- or part-time employment, > not self-employment. i.e. The U.S. company must hire you as > an employee. And it must be in a certain profession e.g. "Computer > Systems Analyst" with certain educational and experience requirements > Consultants working for a client are considered to be employed for this visa. A TN Visa does not allow you move to the US and set up a consulting practice. The Visa is for a single employer, and you need to show the contract when you apply for the Visa. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 08:21:18 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [OT] Copyright Board of Canada gives thumbs-up to "iPod tax" References: <1e55af990707230645j38c65ay66dbe684808d1619@mail.gmail.com> <823196.873.qm@web88112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <768631270707230929o2a5a5dfej759099c77194876b@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f0707231010h14b33017t6a020f8a57ac371a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Scott Elcomb writes: > Heh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIuR5TNyL8Y Hehe. Seeing that did a search on captain copyright on youtube. It came up empty. I guess it's a boycott thing ... Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 09:54:11 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 05:54:11 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <46A55A21.80708-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Monday 23 July 2007 21:47, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got an offer for three-days consulting work in the US. Has > anyone here had recent experience travel down south for work? Any > tips for a painless border crossing? 1. Be prepared for completely arbitrary interpretations of the (silly) NAFTA laws pertaining to IT consultancy. For instance, programmers are specifically excluded under NAFTA but "systems analysts", whatever those are, are covered. Have a backup plan in case you are refused entry. Even before 9/11, this was an area fraught with unpredictability. It is even more so now. Having had TN visas in the past, I speak from experience. 2. Have a written contract from your client and a mountain of documentation to support your TN visa claim. You will need an original copy of relevant degrees. In my specific case, I qualified under two categories, as a systems analyst or as a management consultant. I only discovered this after I was refused entry as a systems analyst because the client wrote that I would be doing "Programming and systems analysis" and the INS agent refused on the basis that since "Programming" was capitalized and "systems analysis" was not, I was a programmer and thus disqualified from entry. I returned the next day with an application as a management consultant and was granted the TN visa. Three months later, same contract, same documentation, that time I was rejected as a management consultant but accepted as a systems analyst. After that experience, I was always prepared with two TN applications in case one was refused and it was a toss up which one would be accepted. 3. You do not need a TN visa if you are going to the U.S. to service, support, or train users on a system that your company sold. That would be a B-1 visa. You will need to provide documentary evidence of the sale, support contract, and other pertinent details. 4. Be truthful in your answers. The consequences for being caught lying can be quite severe. (I do not speak from experience in this case.) Do not listen to people who tell you "Just say you are visiting friends." That is very bad advice. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 10:09:54 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 06:09:54 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> On 24-Jul-07, at 5:54 AM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On Monday 23 July 2007 21:47, Madison Kelly wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I've got an offer for three-days consulting work in the US. Has >> anyone here had recent experience travel down south for work? Any >> tips for a painless border crossing? > > 1. Be prepared for completely arbitrary interpretations of the (silly) > NAFTA laws pertaining to IT consultancy. For instance, programmers > are specifically excluded under NAFTA but "systems analysts", > whatever those are, are covered. Have a backup plan in case you are > refused entry. Even before 9/11, this was an area fraught with > unpredictability. It is even more so now. Having had TN visas in the > past, I speak from experience. > > 2. Have a written contract from your client and a mountain of > documentation to support your TN visa claim. You will need an > original copy of relevant degrees. In my specific case, I qualified > under two categories, as a systems analyst or as a management > consultant. I only discovered this after I was refused entry as a > systems analyst because the client wrote that I would be > doing "Programming and systems analysis" and the INS agent refused on > the basis that since "Programming" was capitalized and "systems > analysis" was not, I was a programmer and thus disqualified from > entry. I returned the next day with an application as a management > consultant and was granted the TN visa. Three months later, same > contract, same documentation, that time I was rejected as a > management consultant but accepted as a systems analyst. After that > experience, I was always prepared with two TN applications in case > one was refused and it was a toss up which one would be accepted. > > 3. You do not need a TN visa if you are going to the U.S. to service, > support, or train users on a system that your company sold. That > would be a B-1 visa. You will need to provide documentary evidence of > the sale, support contract, and other pertinent details. > > 4. Be truthful in your answers. The consequences for being caught > lying can be quite severe. (I do not speak from experience in this > case.) Do not listen to people who tell you "Just say you are > visiting friends." That is very bad advice. > -- > Regards, > Well, having been in pretty much the same situation. If you are determined to get the TN-1 then yes get all your ducks in a row and show up really early. They don't seem to care if you miss your flight. Be warned that if you are flying to the west coast you will likely have to fly to Vancouver and then apply there (been there done that, you have to apply at the border where you cross, you can't pre- qualify here in Toronto) and candidly it's easier in Vancouver. If it's really only for 3 days, getting a TN-1 is probably more trouble than it's worth. The TN-1 is only good for the one company. You need one for every company you are going to work for. As far as bad advice goes; after I did this I talked to quite a few people, and every one of them said, just tell them you are going for a meeting. This would be easier to arrange since presumably the company could verify your story if asked. Yes, I know you can be denied entry if caught lying, but it is considerably simpler. Dave > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis Corporation > 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 > Toronto, ON > Canada M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 12:32:07 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:32:07 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <46A5F147.1080600@telly.org> Dave Cramer wrote: > Be warned that if you are flying to the west coast you will likely > have to fly to Vancouver and then apply there (been there done that, > you have to apply at the border where you cross, you can't pre-qualify > here in Toronto) and candidly it's easier in Vancouver. The lineups may be less in Vancouver but you most certainly can get the TN visa in Toronto (speaking from first-hand experience). - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 12:45:57 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:45:57 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <46A5F147.1080600-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> <46A5F147.1080600@telly.org> Message-ID: <46A5F485.30809@alteeve.com> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Dave Cramer wrote: >> Be warned that if you are flying to the west coast you will likely >> have to fly to Vancouver and then apply there (been there done that, >> you have to apply at the border where you cross, you can't pre-qualify >> here in Toronto) and candidly it's easier in Vancouver. > The lineups may be less in Vancouver but you most certainly can get the > TN visa in Toronto (speaking from first-hand experience). First, thanks to everyone for your replies! My biggest concerns are two-fold; 1) I am self-taught. I have plenty of work experience, but no degrees to back that up. I read on the US gov't website that work experience is okay for a TN Visa, but how does one document this? 2) I also read that "self-employed" people are specifically excluded. Does this mean that I, as the owner of a sole-proprietorship, am excluded? How do they define "a business" then? I was wondering; my mother is an American citizen and is working for the US Military as a civilian microbiology technician. I will be traveling to Knoxville, TN by Greyhound, working from Monday to Wednesday in Knoxville, then traveling to Buffalo, NY to meet her. We'll then be driving to a few places in the US where she will catch a flight back to Patrick AFB in Florida and I will be returning the rental car to Buffalo and catching another Greyhound back up to Toronto. How much will this complicate/help things? I am not interested in lying, as the risks out weigh the benefits. I just want to know what options and angles I can use before reaching the American officials. Thanks again for everyones replies! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 12:57:07 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:57:07 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <46A5F485.30809-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> <46A5F147.1080600@telly.org> <46A5F485.30809@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On 7/24/07, Madison Kelly wrote: > Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > Dave Cramer wrote: > >> Be warned that if you are flying to the west coast you will likely > >> have to fly to Vancouver and then apply there (been there done that, > >> you have to apply at the border where you cross, you can't pre-qualify > >> here in Toronto) and candidly it's easier in Vancouver. > > The lineups may be less in Vancouver but you most certainly can get the > > TN visa in Toronto (speaking from first-hand experience). > > First, thanks to everyone for your replies! > > My biggest concerns are two-fold; > > 1) I am self-taught. I have plenty of work experience, but no degrees to > back that up. I read on the US gov't website that work experience is > okay for a TN Visa, but how does one document this? With considerable difficulty, because you need to have considerably more relevant experience, and it needs to be well-documented. One of my coworkers is in final stages on Green Card; he, too, has no degrees. He had to be interviewed by a US-based university professor who (happily) was prepared to certify to the government that he had the knowledge equivalent to an advanced degree. Arranging for this was troublesome. > 2) I also read that "self-employed" people are specifically excluded. > Does this mean that I, as the owner of a sole-proprietorship, am > excluded? How do they define "a business" then? That would indeed seem to nicely describe you. I don't think you can use a TN visa for this purpose - the TN is specifically used for US companies to hire Canadian employees. Which doesn't smell all that much like a consulting engagement. There are other sorts of visas out there; probably something more suitable. I don't know the business visas very well; having had both a TN and an H1B, I'm quite familiar with those. > I was wondering; my mother is an American citizen and is working for the > US Military as a civilian microbiology technician. I will be traveling > to Knoxville, TN by Greyhound, working from Monday to Wednesday in > Knoxville, then traveling to Buffalo, NY to meet her. We'll then be > driving to a few places in the US where she will catch a flight back to > Patrick AFB in Florida and I will be returning the rental car to Buffalo > and catching another Greyhound back up to Toronto. > > How much will this complicate/help things? Shouldn't be particularly germane to the matter... > I am not interested in lying, as the risks out weigh the benefits. I > just want to know what options and angles I can use before reaching the > American officials. Saying things they might later conclude were lies is something Not To Do; that could haunt you for years... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 13:00:58 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:00:58 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> <46A5F147.1080600@telly.org> <46A5F485.30809@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20070724130058.GB18378@watson-wilson.ca> Madison, Perhaps you could inquire with the US consulate. -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 16 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 13:06:44 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:06:44 -0400 Subject: translating salary to hourly rates Message-ID: <20070724130644.GC18378@watson-wilson.ca> How does one go about translating an annual salary with benefits to an hourly contract rate? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 16 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 13:09:29 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:09:29 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <20070724130058.GB18378-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> <46A5F147.1080600@telly.org> <46A5F485.30809@alteeve.com> <20070724130058.GB18378@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <46A5FA09.4010006@alteeve.com> Neil Watson wrote: > Madison, > > Perhaps you could inquire with the US consulate. > That is my plan. I wanted to have an idea before hand though what other people's experiences are/were. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 13:18:38 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:18:38 -0400 Subject: translating salary to hourly rates In-Reply-To: <20070724130644.GC18378-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070724130644.GC18378@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On 7/24/07, Neil Watson wrote: > How does one go about translating an annual salary with benefits to an > hourly contract rate? Generally, you start by dividing by (50 * 40) to get a suitable hourly number... Then you start multiplying again: 1. If it's a short term contract, e.g. - on the order of a few days, multiply by 2-3 2. If it's longer term, then multiply by something more like 1.5 (after all, you have no health or pension benefits, so are cheaper due to that, and they can "cancel at will") 3. Remember to add 7% for GST... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 13:18:43 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:18:43 -0400 Subject: translating salary to hourly rates In-Reply-To: <20070724130644.GC18378-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070724130644.GC18378@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <46A5FC33.1000507@alteeve.com> Neil Watson wrote: > How does one go about translating an annual salary with benefits to an > hourly contract rate? 37.5h/week over 50 weeks is how I've always done it. 40h/week if you get paid lunch. Not sure if/what the "official" way of doing it is though. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 13:28:37 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:28:37 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> <46A5F147.1080600@telly.org> <46A5F485.30809@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <46A5FE85.90200@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > On 7/24/07, Madison Kelly wrote: > >> I am not interested in lying, as the risks out weigh the benefits. I >> just want to know what options and angles I can use before reaching the >> American officials. > > Saying things they might later conclude were lies is something Not To > Do; that could haunt you for years... Perhaps the best thing to do, would be to contact the U.S. consulate on University Ave. and ask them. That is, after all, part of their job. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 13:58:58 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:58:58 -0400 Subject: ext3 corrupted In-Reply-To: <1262.192.168.0.103.1185242032.squirrel-yQHV/pc6l8fuNdv6BosnGw@public.gmane.org> References: <200707211737.19559.marc@lijour.net> <1185196663.29668.121.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <46A4ADF6.70602@alteeve.com> <1262.192.168.0.103.1185242032.squirrel@www.lijour.net> Message-ID: <20070724135857.GA14516@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 09:53:52PM -0400, Marc Lijour wrote: > Thank you for all these great tips. It's hard to keep up with the mail > with one less computer ;) > > I have 2 disks. My data is one the drive which failed. I commented it out > from /etc/fstab and I stopped using it. Now the second drive seems to be > failing. I even got the BIOS not founding the drives at boot time once. > Which makes me wonder if the problem does not come from the board. > > In any case, I have a technical question about dd. My data is on > /dev/sda10 (around 100GB). Say I plug another SATA drive (say a new 500GB > drive). How should I proceed? I assume I should first create a partition > with exactly the same size (or a little more) on the new drive, and then > run dd. Is that correct? At that point, you'll understand I take no chance > with my data ;) Actually don't make any partitions if you have a spare (larger) disk. Just dd the whole old drive to the new drive. That will include partition table and all. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 14:03:28 2007 From: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org (Scott C. Ripley) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:03:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: translating salary to hourly rates In-Reply-To: <20070724130644.GC18378-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070724130644.GC18378@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: a lot depends on your perspective... :-) if you are looking to hire a contractor, this probably seems like a very reasonable calculation: hourly rate = (yearly salary / yearly hours) * (some multiplier) and if you can get a good contractor to accept/stay/etc. based on it... perfect for you the employer! if you are looking to work as a contractor, this calculation might be a starting place, but it only takes into consideration "the cost of you", if you want to turn yourself (and perhaps others - you "& Associates") into a sustainable business - you should aim to think beyond the cost of yourself... a lot depends on the nature of your contract - but other factors that might affect your rate calculation: - suppose you are extremely competent at what you do and can often complete tasks in half the time that another consultant would - should you get paid half as much as the person that takes twice as long? - risk associated with possibility of difficult clients - slow/partial/no payments, etc. - scope creep issues, etc. - extra hours (i.e. some contracts might not adjust rate for occasional necessity of long working hours) - contract risk: - risk associated with downtime - suppose your client no longer needs you (for whatever reason) - ... more generally: the increased risk you assume in a contract needs to be reflected in your rate... anyways... i won't go on - but these guys might go a bit overboard: http://freelanceswitch.com/rates/ but you should get the idea... Scott On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Neil Watson wrote: > How does one go about translating an annual salary with benefits to an > hourly contract rate? > > -- Scott C. Ripley phone: (416)738-6357 www: http://www.scottripley.com email: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Secure Your E-Mail! http://www.mysecuremail.com/javascrypt/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 14:51:35 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:51:35 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <46A5FA09.4010006-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> <46A5F147.1080600@telly.org> <46A5F485.30809@alteeve.com> <20070724130058.GB18378@watson-wilson.ca> <46A5FA09.4010006@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <06451FE5-2308-4075-9A0C-AD8944AFF165@visibleassets.com> On 24-Jul-07, at 9:09 AM, Madison Kelly wrote: > Neil Watson wrote: >> Madison, >> Perhaps you could inquire with the US consulate. > > That is my plan. I wanted to have an idea before hand though what > other people's experiences are/were. :) > > Madi Here's something to consider before you do this. If you get denied entry you will be under more scrutiny for every other attempt. You may want to reconsider if the 3 day stint is really worth this. The customs agents that I dealt with do not have a lot of latitude in their decision making process. I wish you good luck. Dave > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 14:54:03 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:54:03 -0400 Subject: translating salary to hourly rates In-Reply-To: <46A5FC33.1000507-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20070724130644.GC18378@watson-wilson.ca> <46A5FC33.1000507@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1185288843.29668.186.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 09:18 -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > 37.5h/week over 50 weeks is how I've always done it. 40h/week if you get > paid lunch. > > Not sure if/what the "official" way of doing it is though. It's really what the market will bear. Competition will play a factor as well as supply/demand for a given activity and the nature of that activity. The uniqueness of the work is also a factor. It's always good to see what others are charging for the same activity. Keep in mind that larger companies are used to paying more and small companies are often resistant to high rates. Take your downtime into consideration. You have to cover the time you spend looking for work. This is the feast and famine of self employment. It can be hard to look for work when you are occupied on a contract and those contracts can be extended or canceled without much notice so you can never really be sure when you need work. Some consultants I know don't go very long without work. Some get leads from central sources (like IBM) while others have well sought after skills and a good network of contacts. If your work is similar to "help desk" duty, taking calls and working minutes or hours on a time and materials basis, charge higher because your utilization is indeterminate. Figure on between 60% and 80%. If your work is continuous, like a full-time contract, then your utilization is based on how long it takes to find work between contracts. I've seen programmers with modest requirements charge under $30/hour. I see consultants charging a wide range from $50/hour up to $250 and beyond. A typical daily rate for a consultant doing system integration is between $1000 to $2000 per day for technical consulting. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux Conference for users by users. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 14:58:35 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:58:35 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <06451FE5-2308-4075-9A0C-AD8944AFF165-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> <46A5F147.1080600@telly.org> <46A5F485.30809@alteeve.com> <20070724130058.GB18378@watson-wilson.ca> <46A5FA09.4010006@alteeve.com> <06451FE5-2308-4075-9A0C-AD8944AFF165@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <46A6139B.4050507@alteeve.com> Dave Cramer wrote: >> That is my plan. I wanted to have an idea before hand though what >> other people's experiences are/were. :) >> >> Madi > > Here's something to consider before you do this. If you get denied entry > you will be under more scrutiny for every other attempt. You may want to > reconsider if the 3 day stint is really worth this. The customs agents > that I dealt with do not have a lot of latitude in their decision making > process. I wish you good luck. > > Dave Given the current politics down there, I am already hesitant to travel south. So my personal benchmark is fairly high, and this job handily meets that. If I can get down there I will make close to normal month's income in 3 days. Given my debt load, this will go a long way (and be worth even more when factoring in savings on interest). My current employer is very cool and is helping me get through the red tape, so my hopes are up a modest amount. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 15:06:13 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:06:13 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <46A5FA09.4010006-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> <46A5F147.1080600@telly.org> <46A5F485.30809@alteeve.com> <20070724130058.GB18378@watson-wilson.ca> <46A5FA09.4010006@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1185289573.29668.196.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 09:09 -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > That is my plan. I wanted to have an idea before hand though what other > people's experiences are/were. :) I'm a US citizen (by birth) which I've kept so that I don't have these problems. I have traveled with Canadians to the US for work. The standard excuses given to customs for the trip are - Attending a meeting - Visiting a trade show (dangerous if they ask which show) - Receiving training The nice thing about these is that they are business related and the companies that you are visiting probably don't have a problem stating the same thing. Still be expected to answer questions about the activity, who, what, where, when, why, how long, etc. If you say that you are going to work expect to be grilled about a work visa and if you are unable to produce one I'd expect you would be refused entry. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux conference for users by users. http://onlinux.ca -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 x5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fax: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 15:17:26 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:17:26 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <46A5F485.30809-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> <46A5F147.1080600@telly.org> <46A5F485.30809@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <46A61806.6080702@ve3syb.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > I was wondering; my mother is an American citizen and is working for the > US Military as a civilian microbiology technician. I will be traveling > to Knoxville, TN by Greyhound, working from Monday to Wednesday in > Knoxville, then traveling to Buffalo, NY to meet her. We'll then be > driving to a few places in the US where she will catch a flight back to > Patrick AFB in Florida and I will be returning the rental car to Buffalo > and catching another Greyhound back up to Toronto. > > How much will this complicate/help things? You might be asked about the duration of your stay. If you are visiting your mother after your business meetings, the duration of your stay is going to be longer than 3 days. You might be better off stating your are going for a business meeting and then spending some time with your mother. They might be less likely to wonder about a meeting(s) that would last the better part of a week(?). -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From DKreuter-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 15:22:01 2007 From: DKreuter-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ at public.gmane.org (David Kreuter) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:22:01 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> <46A5F147.1080600@telly.org> <46A5F485.30809@alteeve.com> <20070724130058.GB18378@watson-wilson.ca> <46A5FA09.4010006@alteeve.com> <06451FE5-2308-4075-9A0C-AD8944AFF165@visibleassets.com> <46A6139B.4050507@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <333C4802564C8A4D95F96376ED11830E6F153E@r2d2.coleo.com> I have had Canadian citizens work in the U.S. through my company. Once someone was refused at Niagara Falls, went to Buffalo, and got a Nafta (thank you Mr. Mulroney) visa in the management consulting category! Although the work was technical. Such are the vagaries of the border cross. As mentioned in an earlier post there are Nafta visas. The smoothest process I've orchestrated involve having a short letter on company letterhead offering you the "job" with a daily rate, duration etc. Coupled with your experience you are entitled to the visa if you are a Canadian citizen.. Don't bring any corn beef sandwiches. My son crossed at Port Huron en route to a music festival last week and after having been searched for an hour they took his lunch. Easier than catching terrorists I suppose. It goes both ways. I've had U.S. guys come up for short term assignments. They get the visa usually, but the Canadians guys want to collect the temporary visa fee. David -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org on behalf of Madison Kelly Sent: Tue 7/24/2007 10:58 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Consulting work in the US; tips? Dave Cramer wrote: >> That is my plan. I wanted to have an idea before hand though what >> other people's experiences are/were. :) >> >> Madi > > Here's something to consider before you do this. If you get denied entry > you will be under more scrutiny for every other attempt. You may want to > reconsider if the 3 day stint is really worth this. The customs agents > that I dealt with do not have a lot of latitude in their decision making > process. I wish you good luck. > > Dave Given the current politics down there, I am already hesitant to travel south. So my personal benchmark is fairly high, and this job handily meets that. If I can get down there I will make close to normal month's income in 3 days. Given my debt load, this will go a long way (and be worth even more when factoring in savings on interest). My current employer is very cool and is helping me get through the red tape, so my hopes are up a modest amount. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 16:23:33 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:23:33 -0400 Subject: combining file lists: a logic problem Message-ID: <20070724162333.GH18378@watson-wilson.ca> I'm having a problem determining how to reconcile files provided by a CMS and a code build. A Subversion repository consists of files shared and provided exclusively by both the CMS and a code build. It is easy to spot via 'svn status' any new files that the CMS has created. The is also true for a code build. However, how do we account for removed files? Both the CMS and the code builds do not, separately, contain all of the files in the repository. When comparing a code build with the repository how can it be determined which files were removed by the build and which files are provided by the CMS? When comparing the CMS submission with the repository how can it be determined which files were removed by the CMS and which files are provided by a code build? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 16 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 16:31:39 2007 From: sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Steve Harvey) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:31:39 -0400 Subject: translating salary to hourly rates In-Reply-To: References: <20070724130644.GC18378@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20070724163139.GM35786@shell.vex.net> On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 09:18:38AM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > 3. Remember to add 7% for GST... And then there's this headache, thanks to the last few governments in Queen's Park: http://www.piepalace.ca/blog/2006/03/taxing-software-in-ontario.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 16:58:18 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:58:18 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <46A6139B.4050507-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> <46A5F147.1080600@telly.org> <46A5F485.30809@alteeve.com> <20070724130058.GB18378@watson-wilson.ca> <46A5FA09.4010006@alteeve.com> <06451FE5-2308-4075-9A0C-AD8944AFF165@visibleassets.com> <46A6139B.4050507@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1185296298.5004.165.camel@stan64.site> On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 10:58 -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > Dave Cramer wrote: > >> That is my plan. I wanted to have an idea before hand though what > >> other people's experiences are/were. :) > >> > >> Madi > > > > Here's something to consider before you do this. If you get denied entry > > you will be under more scrutiny for every other attempt. You may want to > > reconsider if the 3 day stint is really worth this. The customs agents > > that I dealt with do not have a lot of latitude in their decision making > > process. I wish you good luck. > > > > Dave > > Given the current politics down there, I am already hesitant to travel > south. So my personal benchmark is fairly high, and this job handily > meets that. If I can get down there I will make close to normal month's > income in 3 days. Given my debt load, this will go a long way (and be > worth even more when factoring in savings on interest). > > My current employer is very cool and is helping me get through the red > tape, so my hopes are up a modest amount. :) So you work for them now remote, but you need to go their in person for a few days? I got caught up big time at the border. I worked as a consultant for Siemens, and they were in London Ont., but part of them moved to PA. so I had to go there periodically. I was honest when I crossed over, the first few trips were honestly meetings. But I went sometimes to do programming, and I told them the truth once when asked .... oh they hauled my ass over to the interrogation room so quick! So we talked and I was basically going to get turned around :( We went over it one more time, I was saying - the whole company moved the US, this is a benifit to you guys, and I used to work there, and so now what, this company now all of a sudden can't use my services? and that seemed to be the case, but they really did seem to "feel bad for me", and it came out in one last explaination, that the software i work on, was/is a original canadian package ... BINGO i am in the air 20 minutes later :) anyways, to not have that issue any more, if a (i think manager level or above) give you a note, on company letter head, as an invitation to meetings, your in like flint. I went that route from then on, just flashed that "meeting notice" and in I go. Now in my case, sometimes i wasnt always in meeting, but honestly working on Canadian software, so it was still legit, but I didn't want the hassle of having to explain that each time. So if the person you're going to see can write you a meeting notice, and they are comfortable with that, unless something has changed, that's your best bet. -tl > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 16:59:32 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:59:32 -0400 Subject: combining file lists: a logic problem In-Reply-To: <20070724162333.GH18378-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070724162333.GH18378@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <7ac602420707240959w7147df98ub8fd9f552ad0352a@mail.gmail.com> I'm not sure I completely understand your problem, but can't you just ask each half for its list of files, sort each list, and diff them? Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 17:02:22 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:02:22 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <1185296298.5004.165.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> <46A5F147.1080600@telly.org> <46A5F485.30809@alteeve.com> <20070724130058.GB18378@watson-wilson.ca> <46A5FA09.4010006@alteeve.com> <06451FE5-2308-4075-9A0C-AD8944AFF165@visibleassets.com> <46A6139B.4050507@alteeve.com> <1185296298.5004.165.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <46A6309E.7010003@alteeve.com> tleslie wrote: > So you work for them now remote, but you need to go their in person for > a few days? No, this is a new contract. > I got caught up big time at the border. I worked as a consultant for > Siemens, and they were in London Ont., but part of them moved to PA. > so I had to go there periodically. > > I was honest when I crossed over, the first few trips were honestly > meetings. But I went sometimes to do programming, > and I told them the truth once when asked .... oh they hauled my ass > over to the interrogation room so quick! > So we talked and I was basically going to get turned around :( > We went over it one more time, I was saying - the whole company moved > the US, this is a benifit to you guys, and I used to work there, > and so now what, this company now all of a sudden can't use my services? > and that seemed to be the case, but they really did seem to > "feel bad for me", and it came out in one last explaination, that the > software i work on, was/is a original canadian package ... BINGO > i am in the air 20 minutes later :) In this case it would be discussing the "methods and concepts" for a program I was lead developer on written here in Canada. > anyways, to not have that issue any more, > if a (i think manager level or above) give you a note, on company > letter head, as an invitation to meetings, your in like flint. > I went that route from then on, just flashed that "meeting notice" > and in I go. Now in my case, sometimes i wasnt always in meeting, > but honestly working on Canadian software, so it was still legit, > but I didn't want the hassle of having to explain that each time. > > So if the person you're going to see can write you a meeting notice, > and they are comfortable with that, unless something has changed, > that's your best bet. I'll definitely keep that in mind. I am hoping to use a more accurate way around that would get me a TN or H1B Visa though. Gonna talk to the American consulate shortly to see what it my best option. "A meeting" is stretching it a little, though still in the realm of accurate. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 17:18:12 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:18:12 -0400 Subject: optical out sound card for linux? In-Reply-To: <871wfke1ni.fsf-HasXQTlsvt1ah8WM/F5+tg@public.gmane.org> References: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> <871wfke1ni.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> Message-ID: <46A63454.4020707@chrisaitken.net> Charles philip Chan wrote: >tleslie writes: > > > >>So i am going to buy a bithead head phone amp that is suggested as a >>cheap amp (400$) for a HD650 (good ones go for about 4-5K$ and I ain't >>going there now), >> >> > >400$? Where did you get this figure from? The Total BitHead is listed >for $149.00US on Headroom. Also have you considered the PA2V2: > >http://www.electric-avenues.com/audio8.html > >It has a lot of good reviews on head-fi. > > > >>any recommended cards? >>Obviously the card needs to work well with Linux. >> >> > >The Audiophile 2496: > >http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile2496-main.html > >is really cheap these days. It works with ALSA. > > It does look good. I'm thinking of going a little higher end with their M-Audiophile 192 to get 192 KHz. ALSA Matrix reports that it's supported, but "input not tested". That doesn't sound great I guess - I'll be using the S/PDIF co-ax input... >Charles > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 17:29:45 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:29:45 -0400 Subject: combining file lists: a logic problem In-Reply-To: <7ac602420707240959w7147df98ub8fd9f552ad0352a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20070724162333.GH18378@watson-wilson.ca> <7ac602420707240959w7147df98ub8fd9f552ad0352a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070724172945.GK18378@watson-wilson.ca> Consider this example: CMS files: r1 r2 r3 r4 x5 Code build files: c1 c2 c3 c4 x5 Not that both sources produce a commond file, x5. Both sources are generated by other means that I do not trust to produce a file manifest. I combine the lists into single hierarchy and import them into a Subversion repository. Combined Repository: r1 r2 r3 r4 x5 c1 c2 c3 c4 Now suppose the CMS files change: r1 is modified r2 is the same r3 is the same r4 is removed r5 is added x5 is modified These files are copied to a working copy of the repository, except r4 which was removed from the CMS files. However, r4 still exists in the repository. A Subversion status will report the modifications and the added files but, the removed file will show as unchanged. How can I have the file r4 removed automatically? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 16 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 17:36:24 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:36:24 -0400 Subject: optical out sound card for linux? In-Reply-To: <46A63454.4020707-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> <871wfke1ni.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <46A63454.4020707@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <1185298584.5004.173.camel@stan64.site> On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 13:18 -0400, Chris Aitken wrote: > Charles philip Chan wrote: > > >tleslie writes: > > > > > > > >>So i am going to buy a bithead head phone amp that is suggested as a > >>cheap amp (400$) for a HD650 (good ones go for about 4-5K$ and I ain't > >>going there now), > >> > >> > > > >400$? Where did you get this figure from? The Total BitHead is listed > >for $149.00US on Headroom. Also have you considered the PA2V2: > > > >http://www.electric-avenues.com/audio8.html > > > >It has a lot of good reviews on head-fi. > > > > > > > >>any recommended cards? > >>Obviously the card needs to work well with Linux. > >> > >> > > > >The Audiophile 2496: > > > >http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile2496-main.html > > > >is really cheap these days. It works with ALSA. > > > > > It does look good. I'm thinking of going a little higher end with their > M-Audiophile 192 to get 192 KHz. ALSA Matrix reports that it's > supported, but "input not tested". That doesn't sound great I guess - > I'll be using the S/PDIF co-ax input... You'll have to let me know about the card. I lied above, I ended up getting a quote on the bithead MAX unit in the end (max dsp and max amp) in a lesser case, for 1700$ (that i am about to commit the credit card too), so if i mate that with a good optical output, i should be in heaven with my HD650! (well for just under 2500K$ for a head phone set up, i would hope so, i'll go see the shrink later :) ). -tl > > >Charles > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 17:46:28 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:46:28 -0400 Subject: combining file lists: a logic problem In-Reply-To: <20070724172945.GK18378-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070724162333.GH18378@watson-wilson.ca> <7ac602420707240959w7147df98ub8fd9f552ad0352a@mail.gmail.com> <20070724172945.GK18378@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <7ac602420707241046m52084e14wa703a8c21d6f27ab@mail.gmail.com> On 7/24/07, Neil Watson wrote: > Not that both sources produce a commond file, x5. Both sources are > generated by other means that I do not trust to produce a file manifest. > I combine the lists into single hierarchy and import them into a > Subversion repository. What do you mean by "I combine the lists into a single hierarchy"? You run the build tool, which outputs to /build_output, then you run the CMS, which outputs to /cms_output, and then you copy the contents from /build_output and /cms_output to /combined_output? > These files are copied to a working copy of the repository, except r4 > which was removed from the CMS files. However, r4 still exists in the > repository. A Subversion status will report the modifications and the > added files but, the removed file will show as unchanged. How can I > have the file r4 removed automatically? This makes it sound like my guess about /build_output and /cms_output might be right. It sounds like you update the CMS content using some opaque tool and then copy the results to your working copy. If you do that (and also run the build tool in a directory separate from your working copy), then why not something like this: #! /bin/bash CMS_DIR=... BUILD_DIR=... WORKING_COPY=... (cd "${CMS_DIR}"; find; cd "${BUILD_DIR}; find) | sort | uniq > /tmp/live_file_list.tmp (cd "${WORKING_COPY}"; find) | fgrep -v '/.svn/' | sort > /tmp/working_copy_list.tmp diff -u /tmp/working_copy_list.tmp /tmp/live_file_list.tmp The above should (I haven't tested it) produce a list of new files marked with + and deleted files marked with -. That information, plus the output from svn status (after copying the relevant files into the working copy) should produce new, deleted, and modified lists. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 18:20:28 2007 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:20:28 -0400 Subject: RPM package not installing Message-ID: <200707241420.29034.glayng@sympatico.ca> I'm trying to install the Postgresql server package "postgresql-server-8.1.9-0.1mdv2007.0". Every time after I try to load the package, the Software Management application returns that as one of the packages that hasn't been installed, but is still available to install. There are supposed to be release notes with this package, but clicking on that gives me a blank field, which may or may not be a symptom of my problem. I'm running Powerpack 2007 on 32-bit using a Pentium 3 (ancient but hey, it works). All of the other available packages for Postgresql are installed. Any suggestions or answers will be gratefully received. Thanks! -- there's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 18:33:43 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:33:43 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <200707241433.43930.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Tuesday 24 July 2007 06:09, Dave Cramer wrote: > On 24-Jul-07, at 5:54 AM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > 4. Be truthful in your answers. The consequences for being caught > > lying can be quite severe. (I do not speak from experience in > > this case.) Do not listen to people who tell you "Just say you > > are visiting friends." That is very bad advice. > > -- > > Regards, > > Well, having been in pretty much the same situation. If you are > determined to get the TN-1 then yes get all your ducks in a row and > show up really early. They don't seem to care if you miss your > flight. Of course not. It is not their job to care about you missing your flight so yes, do show up early. That is a good rule of thumb regardless of whether you are making a visa application or not. > Be warned that if you are flying to the west coast you will > likely have to fly to Vancouver and then apply there (been there > done that, you have to apply at the border where you cross, you > can't pre- qualify here in Toronto) and candidly it's easier in > Vancouver. You apply for a B-1 or a TN at a port of entry to the U.S. That can be at Pearson, at Buffalo/Niagara Falls, or wherever you may cross the border. You chose to fly to the U.S. west coast via Canada. There was no requirement for you to do so. You could have driven across the border at Buffalo and taken a flight from Buffalo too in which case you would have applied for the TN at the border in Buffalo. > If it's really only for 3 days, getting a TN-1 is > probably more trouble than it's worth. The TN-1 is only good for > the one company. You need one for every company you are going to > work for. As far as bad advice goes; after I did this I talked to > quite a few people, and every one of them said, just tell them you > are going for a meeting. That advice was was worth exactly what you paid for it, nothing. That you and some of your friends may have gotten away with lying does not make it a good idea. You just have not been caught yet. > This would be easier to arrange since > presumably the company could verify your story if asked. Oh what a tangled web we weave... Now you are relying on other people to lie so that you do not have to be inconvenienced. > Yes, I > know you can be denied entry if caught lying, but it is > considerably simpler. There is nothing "simpler" about lying. You can choose to expend your efforts in building up a back story to support your lie, in which case all it takes is for someone who does not have their story straight to cause your lie to be discovered, or, you can expend the effort in providing the documentation to support the truth. I prefer the latter since it is much simpler, notwithstanding the seemingly arbitrary interpretations of the laws by immigration authorities. When you present yourself at a U.S. border crossing and make a declaration, you are already on American soil and are subject to American laws. If things go sideways, you cannot say, "Oh, I changed my mind. I will just turn around and head back to Canada." You will be detained if the border police suspects you are not telling the truth. At that point, the border police can search anything they want, your personal effects, your computer, your vehicle. All it takes is for one scrap of evidence that contradicts your story, such as an email between you and the American employer where you collude to deceive, for the whole house of cards to come tumbling down. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 18:37:57 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:37:57 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <46A6309E.7010003-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <1185296298.5004.165.camel@stan64.site> <46A6309E.7010003@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200707241437.58114.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Tuesday 24 July 2007 13:02, Madison Kelly wrote: > I'll definitely keep that in mind. I am hoping to use a more > accurate way around that would get me a TN or H1B Visa though. > Gonna talk to the American consulate shortly to see what it my best > option. "A meeting" is stretching it a little, though still in the > realm of accurate. It sounds like you could qualify for a B-1 visa . Two suggestions: 1. Get a copy of the Self Counsel Press book that deals with U.S. immigration issues. It will serve as a good primer so that when you talk to a lawyer, you are not completely in the dark. 2. Talk to an immigration lawyer. By the way, be prepared to continue your trip on a later bus because the bus that you will take to the border may not wait for you if your application takes too long. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 18:45:24 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:45:24 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <200707241433.43930.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> <200707241433.43930.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <200707241445.25125.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Tuesday 24 July 2007 14:33, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > You apply for a B-1 or a TN at a port of entry to the U.S. Correction: You can apply for a B-1 from outside the U.S. apparently so it need not be done at the port of entry, as is the case with a TN. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 18:49:54 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:49:54 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <200707241445.25125.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> <200707241433.43930.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <200707241445.25125.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <46A649D2.1060506@alteeve.com> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On Tuesday 24 July 2007 14:33, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: >> You apply for a B-1 or a TN at a port of entry to the U.S. > > Correction: > > You can apply for a B-1 from outside the U.S. apparently so it need > not be done at the port of entry, as is the case with a TN. The client has sent me a draft letter for me to give to HS to help me get my Visa. They will be sending me a scan on their letterhead shortly and I will take it up to University. I suspect you are right on the B-1 visa, from what I can tell so far. Thanks kindly! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 19:04:04 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:04 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <200707241433.43930.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> <200707241433.43930.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <1185303845.21252.68.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 14:33 -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > That advice was was worth exactly what you paid for it, nothing. Careful that's the same price she's paying for yours too. > That > you and some of your friends may have gotten away with lying does not > make it a good idea. You just have not been caught yet. Actually I know of many people who do, all for very short engagements, up to a few days. I know of nobody who has been caught. > Oh what a tangled web we weave... Now you are relying on other people > to lie so that you do not have to be inconvenienced. Customs processes lots of people every hour and just don't have time to check up on everything. It is only important to be able to answer their questions well. "Where are you going, where are you staying, how long are you staying, what's the purpose of your visit, what profession are you in, who are you visiting and why, etc." > When you present yourself at a U.S. border crossing and make a > declaration, you are already on American soil and are subject to > American laws. If things go sideways, you cannot say, "Oh, I changed > my mind. I will just turn around and head back to Canada." You will > be detained if the border police suspects you are not telling the > truth. At that point, the border police can search anything they > want, your personal effects, your computer, your vehicle. All it > takes is for one scrap of evidence that contradicts your story, such > as an email between you and the American employer where you collude > to deceive, for the whole house of cards to come tumbling down. You should also be aware that customs can detain you for just about any reason, perform body cavity search and ship you off to Gitmo without trial or send you back to a different country even if you have the proper documentation. FUD. Both are potential outcomes and both are very unlikely. I suspect that thousands (tens of 000's) of people pass the border every day without a B1 or TN, perform their work and go back home without incident. I also suspect that during the same day nobody is prosecuted for lying about this type of thing. Now I also suspect these are professionals whose name does not appear on DNF lists, and are not racially profiled and are not guilty looking. Madison, it's really up to you and I think you are best to obtain a TN because being legit is the best way to avoid issues. However, keep in mind that Clifford's comments do not represent the outcome of the majority of business travelers who find it necessary or convenient to lie about the purpose of their trip. I am curious to know about the process of obtaining a TN. I don't know anyone who has bothered with it. It's simply been too easy and uneventful to lie. I've assumed it was a lengthy overcomplicated ordeal. If I found out it was simple and quick I would certainly offer it as a valid option to those that need it and I would warm up to Clifford's insistence. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux conference for users by users. http://onlinux.ca -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 x5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fax: 519-883-8533 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 20:53:58 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:53:58 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <1185303845.21252.68.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707241433.43930.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <1185303845.21252.68.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <200707241653.59349.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Tuesday 24 July 2007 15:04, John Van Ostrand wrote: > On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 14:33 -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > That advice was was worth exactly what you paid for it, nothing. > > Careful that's the same price she's paying for yours too. ... which is why I suggested she consult an immigration lawyer. > > That > > you and some of your friends may have gotten away with lying does > > not make it a good idea. You just have not been caught yet. > > Actually I know of many people who do, all for very short > engagements, up to a few days. I know of nobody who has been > caught. Anecdotal evidence claiming that people get away with lying does not make it safe or lawful. > > Oh what a tangled web we weave... Now you are relying on other > > people to lie so that you do not have to be inconvenienced. > > Customs processes lots of people every hour and just don't have > time to check up on everything. It is only important to be able to > answer their questions well. "Where are you going, where are you > staying, how long are you staying, what's the purpose of your > visit, what profession are you in, who are you visiting and why, > etc." It is also important to answer those questions truthfully. > > When you present yourself at a U.S. border crossing and make a > > declaration, you are already on American soil and are subject to > > American laws. If things go sideways, you cannot say, "Oh, I > > changed my mind. I will just turn around and head back to > > Canada." You will be detained if the border police suspects you > > are not telling the truth. At that point, the border police can > > search anything they want, your personal effects, your computer, > > your vehicle. All it takes is for one scrap of evidence that > > contradicts your story, such as an email between you and the > > American employer where you collude to deceive, for the whole > > house of cards to come tumbling down. > > You should also be aware that customs can detain you for just about > any reason, perform body cavity search and ship you off to Gitmo > without trial or send you back to a different country even if you > have the proper documentation. > > FUD. Both are potential outcomes and both are very unlikely. I > suspect that thousands (tens of 000's) of people pass the border > every day without a B1 or TN, perform their work and go back home > without incident. I also suspect that during the same day nobody is > prosecuted for lying about this type of thing. What other people may or may not do is immaterial. It may very well be true that the probability of getting caught is low but the consequences can be quite severe if you are. You have to ask yourself if it is worth it to be barred from entry to the U.S. over a three day contract. > Now I also suspect these are professionals whose name does not > appear on DNF lists, and are not racially profiled and are not > guilty looking. You do not have to be any of those things. They pick people for closer scrutiny at random too. > Madison, it's really up to you and I think you are best to obtain a > TN because being legit is the best way to avoid issues. However, > keep in mind that Clifford's comments do not represent the outcome > of the majority of business travelers who find it necessary or > convenient to lie about the purpose of their trip. > > I am curious to know about the process of obtaining a TN. I don't > know anyone who has bothered with it. It's simply been too easy and > uneventful to lie. I've assumed it was a lengthy overcomplicated > ordeal. If I found out it was simple and quick I would certainly > offer it as a valid option to those that need it and I would warm > up to Clifford's insistence. Applying and getting a TN is not difficult provided you have good documentation. I have had at least six of them and the only time I was refused entry was the first time and that was only because I was not prepared with a backup plan. Since that first time, I have always been able to obtain one on the spot with no more than 90 minutes spent at the airport. The cost is, or was last time I got one if I recall correctly, US$50. Getting a B-1 is even easier because you do not have to provide evidence of education or expertise related to the field of endeavour. All you have to do is to establish that you are providing support or training for a Canadian made system sold to an American client. There is no cost for a B-1. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 21:12:24 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: optical out sound card for linux? In-Reply-To: <46A63454.4020707-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> <871wfke1ni.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <46A63454.4020707@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: | From: Chris Aitken | Charles philip Chan wrote: | >tleslie writes: | > >any recommended cards? | > >Obviously the card needs to work well with Linux. | >The Audiophile 2496: | > | >http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile2496-main.html | > | >is really cheap these days. It works with ALSA. | It does look good. I'm thinking of going a little higher end with their | M-Audiophile 192 to get 192 KHz. ALSA Matrix reports that it's supported, but | "input not tested". That doesn't sound great I guess - I'll be using the | S/PDIF co-ax input... I don't think that it is in your price range, but I recently bought a possibly suitable for about $15 or $20 from an Office Depot clearance table. It has optical in and out. The chipset created quite a buzz a couple of years ago. I have not tried it yet but it seems to be supported by ALSA. http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Mad-Dog-Multimedia#matrix http://www.mdmm.com/spec.php?productid=12 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 21:34:16 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:34:16 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <46A5F485.30809-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> <46A5F147.1080600@telly.org> <46A5F485.30809@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <46A67058.7040804@utoronto.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > > I was wondering; my mother is an American citizen and is working for the > US Military as a civilian microbiology technician. I will be traveling > to Knoxville, TN by Greyhound, working from Monday to Wednesday in > Knoxville, then traveling to Buffalo, NY to meet her. We'll then be > driving to a few places in the US where she will catch a flight back to > Patrick AFB in Florida and I will be returning the rental car to Buffalo > and catching another Greyhound back up to Toronto. Please forgive my stupid question. Depending on when your mother became a US citizen you might be eligible for US citizenship yourself. Ivan Avery Frey. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 22:29:06 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:29:06 -0400 Subject: optical out sound card for linux? In-Reply-To: References: <1183811385.13986.120.camel@stan64.site> <871wfke1ni.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <46A63454.4020707@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <46A67D32.40501@chrisaitken.net> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >| From: Chris Aitken > >| Charles philip Chan wrote: > >| >tleslie writes: > >| > >any recommended cards? >| > >Obviously the card needs to work well with Linux. > >| >The Audiophile 2496: >| > >| >http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile2496-main.html >| > >| >is really cheap these days. It works with ALSA. > >| It does look good. I'm thinking of going a little higher end with their >| M-Audiophile 192 to get 192 KHz. ALSA Matrix reports that it's supported, but >| "input not tested". That doesn't sound great I guess - I'll be using the >| S/PDIF co-ax input... > >I don't think that it is in your price range, > I figure the soundcard I get will be $100 or more. >but I recently bought >a possibly suitable for about $15 or $20 from an Office Depot clearance >table. It has optical in and out. The chipset created quite a buzz a >couple of years ago. I have not tried it yet but it seems to be >supported by ALSA. > > http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Mad-Dog-Multimedia#matrix > http://www.mdmm.com/spec.php?productid=12 > > Looks like a good card. MDMM looks as if they are a manufacturer but noto a retailer. They redirect to retailers none of which are within a hundred kilometres of Timmins... I should probably rename this thread - it's an old thread that I breathed life into today. I don't want optical S/PDIF, I want co-ax S/PDIF only so that it will be compatible with Focusrite's Trakmaster Pro microphone preamp/compressor (with optional ADC), which I might get. A guy at Tracertek told me that I might not even need the microphone preamp if I get a good enough card (one with an excellent ADC). I'm trying to find a good card that won't necessitate me recompiling the kernel. That's a little deeper than I hope to ever have to go with linux. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rdice-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 22:41:15 2007 From: rdice-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Dice) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:41:15 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <1185303845.21252.68.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <08526620-5E30-4BD3-B1EB-610E3D8ED230@visibleassets.com> <200707241433.43930.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <1185303845.21252.68.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <5bef4baf0707241541k668955e5r88ed8d01da84f171@mail.gmail.com> > I am curious to know about the process of obtaining a TN. I don't know > anyone who has bothered with it. It's simply been too easy and > uneventful to lie. I've assumed it was a lengthy overcomplicated ordeal. > If I found out it was simple and quick I would certainly offer it as a > valid option to those that need it and I would warm up to Clifford's > insistence. I got my first TN-1 in August 2000. I was a complete US work permit n00b at the time. When I told the people at INS at Pearson what I was going down for she told me I had to go to the secondary interview area. In that scary private room I was told that I needed a visa, that the TN-1 would probably be the right one for me, and I was told what documentation I needed to get it. I had none of it. After 90 minutes of cell phone calls and after being cut a TON of slack by INS I had my TN-1. Ever since I have been ultra-prepared whenever I have gone down and needed to get new TN-1s. (They aren't technically speaking renewed. You just get new ones serially.) It has never taken me more than 10 minutes of extra processing each time. I have never considered lying. Disclaimer: Your mileage may vary. I'm the very stereotype of the kind of person INS would be comfortable letting into the US (e.g. work experience, university degrees, the "right" colour of skin, no accent, looks good in a suit, etc.). If anyone is going to have unreasonably easy time then it's me. Cheers, Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 23:34:58 2007 From: erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Frank) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:34:58 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu/Kubuntu w/ Rotating Box? In-Reply-To: <46A55A21.80708-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <46A68CA2.9020301@rogers.com> What do I have to do in Ubuntu or Kubuntu to enable that cool new version where the desktops are on the sides of a rotating box? Thanks in Advance Frank in Mississauga -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 24 23:51:46 2007 From: david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (David Payne) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:51:46 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu/Kubuntu w/ Rotating Box? In-Reply-To: <46A68CA2.9020301-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <46A68CA2.9020301@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070724235142.GA16428@oldeddie.dapayne.no-ip.org> On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 07:34:58PM -0400, Frank wrote: > What do I have to do in Ubuntu or Kubuntu to enable that cool new > version where the desktops are on the sides of a rotating box? > > Thanks in Advance > Frank in Mississauga > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists Compiz Fusion is the best (That I have seen). Here is a link to the tutorial I used when I set it up: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=481314 I no longer use it because it drove me nuts. But this seems to be a good tutorial if you want to give it a try. David Payne -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 03:21:03 2007 From: jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RPM package not installing In-Reply-To: <200707241420.29034.glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <200707241420.29034.glayng@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <43383.66.11.182.5.1185333663.squirrel@canuckster.org> Did you try installing the package from the command line? > I'm trying to install the Postgresql server > package "postgresql-server-8.1.9-0.1mdv2007.0". > > Every time after I try to load the package, the Software Management > application returns that as one of the packages that hasn't been > installed, > but is still available to install. > > There are supposed to be release notes with this package, but clicking on > that > gives me a blank field, which may or may not be a symptom of my problem. > > I'm running Powerpack 2007 on 32-bit using a Pentium 3 (ancient but hey, > it > works). > > All of the other available packages for Postgresql are installed. > > Any suggestions or answers will be gratefully received. Thanks! > -- > there's no place like 127.0.0.1 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 05:21:53 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:21:53 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu/Kubuntu w/ Rotating Box? In-Reply-To: <20070724235142.GA16428-diJnEIW3jYQzozZyMlLJRCm24SjEr8MtHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <46A68CA2.9020301@rogers.com> <20070724235142.GA16428@oldeddie.dapayne.no-ip.org> Message-ID: <46A6DDF1.2090003@telly.org> David Payne wrote: > Compiz Fusion is the best (That I have > [...] > > I no longer use it because it drove me nuts. Good to know I'm not alone. After a few weeks of trying Beryl/Compiz/etc. I too turned it off. The animation of 'turning the cube' actually slowed the existing process of moving between virtual desktops, which Linux users have taken for granted for many years. Transparent screens and windows that drag across the screen like jello blobs lose their novelty quickly, and I simply don't see the functional advantage. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mikemacleod-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 05:22:48 2007 From: mikemacleod-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael MacLeod) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:22:48 -0400 Subject: SATA to IDE converters in Toronto? In-Reply-To: <20070723132440.GA15498-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20070723132440.GA15498@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 7/23/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 12:19:51PM -0400, Michael MacLeod wrote: > > I'm looking for a SATA to IDE converter to take a SATA hard drive and > > use it in a computer with only IDE interfaces. I've found an ideal > > solution here: > > > > http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=659561 > > > > However, I'd like to pick it up this weekend, so purchasing it online > > isn't going to help any. Does anyone know where I might be able to > > pick one up at an actual brick and mortar location? > > http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=013875 > > http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=012801 > > http://www.etccomputer.ca/eShop/default.asp?categoryid=2 (right at the > bottom) > > Of course make sure the system supports LBA48 if you intend to use a > drive larger than 137GB since there is nothing the convertor can do to > help you if the BIOS/ide controller on the system is crap. > > -- > Len Sorensen Excellent! I hadn't been able to find that device on the Canada Computers website before. I'm replacing a 250 gig drive that worked fine, so I'm going to assume the system supports LBA48. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 07:15:43 2007 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:15:43 -0400 Subject: $200 Linux Laptop Message-ID: <1e55af990707250015i6ad32695see5abf34e4b5e577@mail.gmail.com> ASUS: http://www.hothardware.com/articles/Hands%5Fon%5Fwith%5Fthe%5FASUS%5FEee/ http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3829 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFLJJw6WRqM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEeLJltAHRE The Kitchener Waterloo LUG is wooing ASUS to get a loaner laptop to present on it, or to get a rep to drop by. No luck yet. Do we have any contacts with ASUS to try the same? Also, there's this one: Medison Celebrity $ 163.21 CAD http://www.medisoncelebrity.com/product.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 11:09:29 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:09:29 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu/Kubuntu w/ Rotating Box? In-Reply-To: <46A6DDF1.2090003-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <46A68CA2.9020301@rogers.com> <20070724235142.GA16428@oldeddie.dapayne.no-ip.org> <46A6DDF1.2090003@telly.org> Message-ID: <46A72F69.8030205@rogers.com> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > David Payne wrote: > > >> Compiz Fusion is the best (That I have >> [...] >> >> I no longer use it because it drove me nuts. >> > > Good to know I'm not alone. After a few weeks of trying > Beryl/Compiz/etc. I too turned it off. The animation of 'turning the > cube' actually slowed the existing process of moving between virtual > desktops, which Linux users have taken for granted for many years. > Transparent screens and windows that drag across the screen like jello > blobs lose their novelty quickly, and I simply don't see the functional > advantage. > That must be why Vista is moving so well. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 12:06:00 2007 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:06:00 -0400 Subject: translating salary to hourly rates In-Reply-To: References: <20070724130644.GC18378@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <200707250806.00139.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 24 July 2007 09:18:38 Christopher Browne wrote: > 3. Remember to add 7% for GST... 6% ;-) -- Fraser Campbell Georgetown, Ontario, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 12:11:19 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:11:19 -0400 Subject: translating salary to hourly rates In-Reply-To: <200707250806.00139.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <20070724130644.GC18378@watson-wilson.ca> <200707250806.00139.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <0D74C36C-899F-4A24-AEF4-7EA7FDFC6C93@visibleassets.com> On 25-Jul-07, at 8:06 AM, Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Tuesday 24 July 2007 09:18:38 Christopher Browne wrote: > >> 3. Remember to add 7% for GST... > > 6% ;-) > You really shouldn't add GST to the hourly rates. GST is not an expense to the customer. Any GST you charge they get back from the gov't Plus if you are billing a US company then you don't charge GST. Dave > -- > Fraser Campbell > Georgetown, Ontario, Canada > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 12:46:06 2007 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:46:06 -0400 Subject: translating salary to hourly rates In-Reply-To: <0D74C36C-899F-4A24-AEF4-7EA7FDFC6C93-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <20070724130644.GC18378@watson-wilson.ca> <200707250806.00139.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <0D74C36C-899F-4A24-AEF4-7EA7FDFC6C93@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <200707250846.06534.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Wednesday 25 July 2007 08:11:19 Dave Cramer wrote: > On 25-Jul-07, at 8:06 AM, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > On Tuesday 24 July 2007 09:18:38 Christopher Browne wrote: > >> 3. Remember to add 7% for GST... > > > > 6% ;-) > > You really shouldn't add GST to the hourly rates. GST is not an > expense to the customer. Any GST you charge they get back from the gov't Not exactly sure what you mean. Adding GST to any IT contract is standard practice. Customer gets billed $/hr + $/hr * 0.06 for every hour invoiced. -- Fraser Campbell Georgetown, Ontario, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 13:00:09 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:00:09 -0400 Subject: translating salary to hourly rates In-Reply-To: <200707250846.06534.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <20070724130644.GC18378@watson-wilson.ca> <200707250806.00139.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <0D74C36C-899F-4A24-AEF4-7EA7FDFC6C93@visibleassets.com> <200707250846.06534.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <0B9555EA-E316-4514-9D69-DCF46F245381@visibleassets.com> On 25-Jul-07, at 8:46 AM, Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Wednesday 25 July 2007 08:11:19 Dave Cramer wrote: >> On 25-Jul-07, at 8:06 AM, Fraser Campbell wrote: >>> On Tuesday 24 July 2007 09:18:38 Christopher Browne wrote: >>>> 3. Remember to add 7% for GST... >>> >>> 6% ;-) >> >> You really shouldn't add GST to the hourly rates. GST is not an >> expense to the customer. Any GST you charge they get back from the >> gov't > > Not exactly sure what you mean. Adding GST to any IT contract is > standard > practice. Customer gets billed $/hr + $/hr * 0.06 for every hour > invoiced. Yes, this is true. But if you are getting x dollars per hour and want to convert that to a contract don't add the GST as part of the contract rate. It's added after. DAVE > > -- > Fraser Campbell > Georgetown, Ontario, Canada > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 13:30:32 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:30:32 -0400 Subject: translating salary to hourly rates In-Reply-To: <200707250846.06534.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <20070724130644.GC18378@watson-wilson.ca> <200707250806.00139.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <0D74C36C-899F-4A24-AEF4-7EA7FDFC6C93@visibleassets.com> <200707250846.06534.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <46A75078.4000602@rogers.com> Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Wednesday 25 July 2007 08:11:19 Dave Cramer wrote: > >> On 25-Jul-07, at 8:06 AM, Fraser Campbell wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday 24 July 2007 09:18:38 Christopher Browne wrote: >>> >>>> 3. Remember to add 7% for GST... >>>> >>> 6% ;-) >>> >> You really shouldn't add GST to the hourly rates. GST is not an >> expense to the customer. Any GST you charge they get back from the gov't >> > > Not exactly sure what you mean. Adding GST to any IT contract is standard > practice. Customer gets billed $/hr + $/hr * 0.06 for every hour invoiced. > > He means you quote your rate and say plus GST. Just like in the store, you see the price you pay and then the cashier adds the tax to that price. Since businesses can pass through the GST, it's not an expense for them. A business customer will always want the GST itemized for that reason. The exception would be if your self employed income is less than (IIRC) $30,000, in which case GST is not charged, nor passed through. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 14:09:54 2007 From: david-KgjyJOZJJiMsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (David Payne) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:09:54 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu/Kubuntu w/ Rotating Box? In-Reply-To: <46A6DDF1.2090003-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <46A68CA2.9020301@rogers.com> <20070724235142.GA16428@oldeddie.dapayne.no-ip.org> <46A6DDF1.2090003@telly.org> Message-ID: <20070725140954.GB16428@oldeddie.dapayne.no-ip.org> On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 01:21:53AM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > David Payne wrote: > > > Compiz Fusion is the best (That I have > > [...] > > > > I no longer use it because it drove me nuts. > > Good to know I'm not alone. After a few weeks of trying > Beryl/Compiz/etc. I too turned it off. The animation of 'turning the > cube' actually slowed the existing process of moving between virtual > desktops, which Linux users have taken for granted for many years. > Transparent screens and windows that drag across the screen like jello > blobs lose their novelty quickly, and I simply don't see the functional > advantage. > > - Evan > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists One reason I may go back to Compiz Fusion is for the Expose feature. And zooming out to look all all the workspaces at the same time could be handy too. But I am going to wait until it gets a bit more stable. I think I would only enable the features I find useful. I would not have jello windows or transparent cubes. David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 14:25:35 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:25:35 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu/Kubuntu w/ Rotating Box? In-Reply-To: <46A68CA2.9020301-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <46A68CA2.9020301@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070725142535.GB14516@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 07:34:58PM -0400, Frank wrote: > What do I have to do in Ubuntu or Kubuntu to enable that cool new > version where the desktops are on the sides of a rotating box? If you mean beryl, well then you have to go configure that (it is still very much not ready for prime time, and is in the middle of being merged into compiz which will take a while to do). If you have an nvidia card and are using the nvidia binary drivers (for which there should be packages in ubuntu), then it is pretty much just a matter of installing beryl and starting beryl-manager. Just plain X works, no aiglx or xgl required (in fact they don't seem to work right). If you have an ATI, then you have to use aiglx or xgl (both a bit of a paint to get working) and it isn't as stable and still quite a bit more fragile. Same applies to intel integrated video (which work with aiglx, although crash very very frequently running beryl). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 16:10:45 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:10:45 -0400 Subject: SATA to IDE converters in Toronto? In-Reply-To: References: <20070723132440.GA15498@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20070725161045.GC14516@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 01:22:48AM -0400, Michael MacLeod wrote: > Excellent! I hadn't been able to find that device on the Canada > Computers website before. I'm replacing a 250 gig drive that worked > fine, so I'm going to assume the system supports LBA48. I have no idea what category they put it in. It isn't where I would have expected it to be. shopbot.ca found it at canadacomputers though with some creative searching. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 17:50:40 2007 From: erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Frank) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:50:40 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu/Kubuntu w/ Rotating Box? In-Reply-To: <20070724235142.GA16428-diJnEIW3jYQzozZyMlLJRCm24SjEr8MtHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <46A68CA2.9020301@rogers.com> <20070724235142.GA16428@oldeddie.dapayne.no-ip.org> Message-ID: <46A78D70.20304@rogers.com> David Payne wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 07:34:58PM -0400, Frank wrote: > >> What do I have to do in Ubuntu or Kubuntu to enable that cool new >> version where the desktops are on the sides of a rotating box? >> >> Thanks in Advance >> Frank in Mississauga >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > Compiz Fusion is the best (That I have seen). Here is a > link to the tutorial I used when I set it up: > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=481314 > > I no longer use it because it drove me nuts. Yeah, I see what you mean. So I've moved on in good old KDE. Thanks for the help Frank in Mississauga -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 16:55:19 2007 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:55:19 -0400 Subject: RPM package not installing In-Reply-To: <43383.66.11.182.5.1185333663.squirrel-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A@public.gmane.org> References: <200707241420.29034.glayng@sympatico.ca> <43383.66.11.182.5.1185333663.squirrel@canuckster.org> Message-ID: <200707251255.23391.glayng@sympatico.ca> Yes, and with some help from linuxquestions.org, I managed to get this far: ftp://ftp.ps.pl/mirrors/Mandrakelinux/official/2007.0/i586/media/main/updates/postgresql-server-8.1.9-0.1mdv2007.0.i586.rpm installing postgresql-server-8.1.9-0.1mdv2007.0.i586.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms Preparing... ############################################# ******************* * Starting backup * ******************* Cannot find postgresql service Usage: service -[Rfshv] SERVICE ARGUMENTS -f|--full-restart: Do a fullrestart of the service. -R|--full-restart-all: Do a fullrestart of all services currently running. -s|--status-all: Print a status of all services. -d|--debug: Launch with debug. -h|--help: This help. Backuping configuration into /var/lib/pgsql/backups/config.8.1.9-0.1mdv2007.0.tar Overriding pg_hba.conf to allow local connection Cannot find postgresql service Usage: service -[Rfshv] SERVICE ARGUMENTS -f|--full-restart: Do a fullrestart of the service. -R|--full-restart-all: Do a fullrestart of all services currently running. -s|--status-all: Print a status of all services. -d|--debug: Launch with debug. -h|--help: This help. Dumping database into /var/lib/pgsql/backups/db.8.1.9-0.1mdv2007.0.gz pg_dumpall: could not connect to database "template1": could not connect to server: No such file or directory Is the server running locally and accepting connections on Unix domain socket "/tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432"? psql: could not connect to server: No such file or directory Is the server running locally and accepting connections on Unix domain socket "/tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432"? error: %pre(postgresql-server-8.1.9-0.1mdv2007.0.i586) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 error: install: %pre scriptlet failed (2), skipping postgresql-server-8.1.9-0.1mdv2007.0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- More information on package postgresql-server-8.1.9-0.1mdv2007.0.i586 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tuesday 24 July 2007 23:21, Jason Carson wrote: > Did you try installing the package from the command line? > > > I'm trying to install the Postgresql server > > package "postgresql-server-8.1.9-0.1mdv2007.0". > > > > Every time after I try to load the package, the Software Management > > application returns that as one of the packages that hasn't been > > installed, > > but is still available to install. > > > > There are supposed to be release notes with this package, but clicking on > > that > > gives me a blank field, which may or may not be a symptom of my problem. > > > > I'm running Powerpack 2007 on 32-bit using a Pentium 3 (ancient but hey, > > it > > works). > > > > All of the other available packages for Postgresql are installed. > > > > Any suggestions or answers will be gratefully received. Thanks! > > -- > > there's no place like 127.0.0.1 > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- there's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 18:11:00 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:11:00 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <200707241653.59349.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707241433.43930.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <1185303845.21252.68.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <200707241653.59349.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <46A79234.3050602@alteeve.com> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Applying and getting a TN is not difficult provided you have good > documentation. I have had at least six of them and the only time I > was refused entry was the first time and that was only because I was > not prepared with a backup plan. Since that first time, I have always > been able to obtain one on the spot with no more than 90 minutes > spent at the airport. The cost is, or was last time I got one if I > recall correctly, US$50. > > Getting a B-1 is even easier because you do not have to provide > evidence of education or expertise related to the field of endeavour. > All you have to do is to establish that you are providing support or > training for a Canadian made system sold to an American client. There > is no cost for a B-1. This is exactly why I asked here on the list. With the information everyone has shared I am now much more comfortable with what I need to do. The client in the US is preparing the documentation I will need for a TN Visa which I will take to the US consulate. I have not considered anything other that an above-board route. First of all, I am a terribly transparent liar and would be caught and second, my mom lives down there. I would not risk being barred for any reason. If she ever was hurt or fell ill I would be very upset with myself if I had gotten myself barred over a bit of money. Thanks again to everyone, you are all wonderful helps! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 21:41:01 2007 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <46A79234.3050602-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A79234.3050602@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <100087.5976.qm@web88106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Madison Kelly wrote: > The client in the US is preparing the > documentation I will need for > a TN Visa which I will take to the US consulate. Madi You get the TN Visa as you cross into the US. You cannot get it at the Consulate. I think I read that you were taking the bus. That would be a problem since it could take 1-2 hours. Perhaps you can find a cheap airfair and fly? Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jeffliutor-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 21:57:58 2007 From: jeffliutor-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jeff Liu) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:57:58 -0400 Subject: Know this DSL provider - good or bad? Message-ID: <3263242b0707251457n6cb2813el8e9218a016c060d@mail.gmail.com> Only $18.95/m. http://www.acanac.ca/more-info.htm Thanks, Jeff -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 22:03:36 2007 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:03:36 -0400 Subject: RPM package not installing In-Reply-To: <200707251255.23391.glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <200707241420.29034.glayng@sympatico.ca> <43383.66.11.182.5.1185333663.squirrel@canuckster.org> <200707251255.23391.glayng@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200707251803.36174.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> The upgrade is failing because the preinstall scripts in the RPM expect to find a running postgres databse and to do a dump of the data. If you do have an existing database it would be a very good idea to backup (manually) prior to upgrading. Perhaps it's as simple as starting your existing postgres install before doing this update. If you don't have data that you care about remove your existing RPMs and do install (-i) not update (-U). If the thing still bites you then you can run rpm install (or update, erase, etc.) with --noscripts option (I don't recommend that unless you're really, really stuck. I didn't really read your whole mail so take several grains of salt with anything I suggested ;-) -- Fraser Campbell Georgetown, Ontario, Canada On Wednesday 25 July 2007 12:55:19 Gary Layng wrote: > Yes, and with some help from linuxquestions.org, I managed to get this far: > > > ftp://ftp.ps.pl/mirrors/Mandrakelinux/official/2007.0/i586/media/main/updat >es/postgresql-server-8.1.9-0.1mdv2007.0.i586.rpm installing > postgresql-server-8.1.9-0.1mdv2007.0.i586.rpm > from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms > Preparing... > ############################################# > > ******************* > * Starting backup * > ******************* > Cannot find postgresql service > Usage: service -[Rfshv] SERVICE ARGUMENTS > -f|--full-restart: Do a fullrestart of the service. > -R|--full-restart-all: Do a fullrestart of all services currently > running. > -s|--status-all: Print a status of all services. > -d|--debug: Launch with debug. > -h|--help: This help. > Backuping configuration > into /var/lib/pgsql/backups/config.8.1.9-0.1mdv2007.0.tar > Overriding pg_hba.conf to allow local connection > Cannot find postgresql service > Usage: service -[Rfshv] SERVICE ARGUMENTS > -f|--full-restart: Do a fullrestart of the service. > -R|--full-restart-all: Do a fullrestart of all services currently > running. > -s|--status-all: Print a status of all services. > -d|--debug: Launch with debug. > -h|--help: This help. > Dumping database into /var/lib/pgsql/backups/db.8.1.9-0.1mdv2007.0.gz > pg_dumpall: could not connect to database "template1": could not connect to > server: No such file or directory > Is the server running locally and accepting > connections on Unix domain socket "/tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432"? > > psql: could not connect to server: No such file or directory > Is the server running locally and accepting > connections on Unix domain socket "/tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432"? > error: %pre(postgresql-server-8.1.9-0.1mdv2007.0.i586) scriptlet failed, > exit status 1 > error: install: %pre scriptlet failed (2), skipping > postgresql-server-8.1.9-0.1mdv2007.0 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > More information on package postgresql-server-8.1.9-0.1mdv2007.0.i586 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Tuesday 24 July 2007 23:21, Jason Carson wrote: > > Did you try installing the package from the command line? > > > > > I'm trying to install the Postgresql server > > > package "postgresql-server-8.1.9-0.1mdv2007.0". > > > > > > Every time after I try to load the package, the Software Management > > > application returns that as one of the packages that hasn't been > > > installed, > > > but is still available to install. > > > > > > There are supposed to be release notes with this package, but clicking > > > on that > > > gives me a blank field, which may or may not be a symptom of my > > > problem. > > > > > > I'm running Powerpack 2007 on 32-bit using a Pentium 3 (ancient but > > > hey, it > > > works). > > > > > > All of the other available packages for Postgresql are installed. > > > > > > Any suggestions or answers will be gratefully received. Thanks! > > > -- > > > there's no place like 127.0.0.1 > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 26 01:02:17 2007 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:02:17 -0400 Subject: $200 Linux Laptop In-Reply-To: <1e55af990707250015i6ad32695see5abf34e4b5e577-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990707250015i6ad32695see5abf34e4b5e577@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46A7F299.3070204@rogers.com> > http://www.hothardware.com/articles/Hands%5Fon%5Fwith%5Fthe%5FASUS%5FEee/ > http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3829 I'm impressed... I hope this works out well for all concerned parties. I wouldn't mind picking one up myself, as long as that didn't detract from someone who needs it more. I wonder how much cost will come down as more units get produced over time, and tech in general becomes cheaper... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 26 01:50:46 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:50:46 -0400 Subject: $200 Linux Laptop In-Reply-To: <46A7F299.3070204-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990707250015i6ad32695see5abf34e4b5e577@mail.gmail.com> <46A7F299.3070204@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 7/25/07, Byron Sonne wrote: > I'm impressed... I hope this works out well for all concerned parties. > I wouldn't mind picking one up myself, as long as that didn't detract > from someone who needs it more. I'd call that the wrong argument on this - increasing demand for them will increase the likelihood of the pipeline getting bigger. Indeed, the only way for ASUS to make anything off these laptops is if they can sell a huge load of them. > I wonder how much cost will come down as more units get produced over > time, and tech in general becomes cheaper... What we're tending to see is that products are getting better, over time, to the degree to which materials technology is continuing to progress. A thing that is appalling me, of late, is the way that toys have gotten so spectacularly cheaper. Nieces and nephews have some high expectations :-), and what irritates me is that it has been leading to kids getting inundated under a stack of toys that today are cheap but in yesteryear we couldn't afford. I'm not usually very "environmental" in the usually-seen form of it, but certainly the "Ack! The pile of toys will collapse and injure them!" situation is getting to me a bit. I suppose I'm an "environmentalist" in the form of G Harry Stine's "Third Industrial Revolution;" back in 1975, he predicted something of the effects we're now seeing of the progress of materials technology. He was pretty active in that area, with his involvement with rockets (founder of the NAR) and, relevant to geekdom, as a credited technical advisor to Star Trek: TNG. His observation, way back then, was that materials were improving at an accelerating rate. We are still seeing this, as notably both plastics and ceramics are getting better and better. At the time, "Club of Rome" future-prediction was looking at impending disaster, and I think we're still seeing some similar estimations about increases in materials usage. (The "mountain of toys" troubles me...) But Stine felt that his "Third Industrial Revolution" would fall out of being able to build better things using less materials. You don't need a mountain of stuff (of whatever sort) if it is good enough and versatile enough. The automotive industry has kind of gone half-way on this; today's cars are spectacularly better then they used to be. Unfortunately, it's only half-way - they are still way heavier than they ought to need to be, and cutting down on weight would have all kinds of positive effects (e.g. - cutting fuel consumption, reducing engine sizes, and even the impacts of accidents). There's a European company working on cars that run on compressed air which are largely plastic, and finally have genuinely different construction from what's traditional. It'll be interesting if that goes anywhere. Laptops have certainly been recipients of pretty lavish improvements; between Lenovo and Apple, their cases knock my socks off compared to the old ones. Better, lighter. The one irritation is that they're hotter - Intel has a lot to answer for on this... ("Oh, my burning thighs!!!") The ASUS Eee is supposedly a bit flimsy; I'll bet it's got less material in it than any of the old laptops that were pretty fragile in the old days. Give it two more years and they'll have a bigger, brighter LCD and plastic that's stronger despite being just as thin... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 26 03:26:28 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: $200 Linux Laptop In-Reply-To: References: <1e55af990707250015i6ad32695see5abf34e4b5e577@mail.gmail.com> <46A7F299.3070204@rogers.com> Message-ID: <9041.74.99.30.125.1185420388.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > On 7/25/07, Byron Sonne wrote: >> I'm impressed... I hope this works out well for all concerned parties. >> I wouldn't mind picking one up myself, as long as that didn't detract >> from someone who needs it more. >From Slashdot this evening, in the 'If it sounds too good to be true...' dept: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Update 2035 GMT by SM: As many readers have pointed out, the more you dig into the details of this company the more fishy it starts to seem. I would suggest any potential buyers be wary on this one. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jul 25 18:42:08 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:42:08 +0000 Subject: $200 Linux Laptop In-Reply-To: <1e55af990707250015i6ad32695see5abf34e4b5e577-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990707250015i6ad32695see5abf34e4b5e577@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/25/07, Sy Ali wrote: > ASUS: > http://www.hothardware.com/articles/Hands%5Fon%5Fwith%5Fthe%5FASUS%5FEee/ > http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3829 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFLJJw6WRqM > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEeLJltAHRE > > The Kitchener Waterloo LUG is wooing ASUS to get a loaner laptop to > present on it, or to get a rep to drop by. No luck yet. Do we have > any contacts with ASUS to try the same? ASUS is a Taiwanese company; it would be very interesting to hear if someone had any sort of contacts with them. This is a mighty interesting device, BTW. I'm a *little* bit surprised that they don't have a followup device that changes the specs by dropping display, keyboard, and and battery. That gives you something *better than* the DECtop box mentioned not too long ago, but which likely drops out ~$100 worth of hardware. And gives you something you could velcro to the back of an LCD monitor. * Processor: Intel mobile CPU (Intel 910 chipset, 900MHz Dothan Pentium M) * Memory: 512MB RAM * OS: Linux (Asus customized flavor) * Storage: 8GB or 16GB flash hard drive * Webcam: 300K pixel video camera * Ports: 3 USB ports, 1 VGA out, SD card reader, modem, Ethernet, headphone out, microphone in > Also, there's this one: > Medison Celebrity $ 163.21 CAD > http://www.medisoncelebrity.com/product.html That one seems unbelievable. Did they get a shipment of machines for free, or something? That's fairly much a "full featured" laptop, not making any of the design compromises involved with the ASUS Eee (e.g. - screen size, disk space) -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 26 12:50:41 2007 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:50:41 -0400 Subject: $200 Linux Laptop In-Reply-To: <9041.74.99.30.125.1185420388.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990707250015i6ad32695see5abf34e4b5e577@mail.gmail.com> <46A7F299.3070204@rogers.com> <9041.74.99.30.125.1185420388.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <1185454241.21252.166.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 23:26 -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > From Slashdot this evening, in the 'If it sounds too good to be true...' > dept: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Update 2035 GMT by SM: As many readers have pointed out, the more you dig > into the details of this company the more fishy it starts to seem. I would > suggest any potential buyers be wary on this one. Asus is well known for providing durable motherboards and has expanded into many areas. We've used their products as far back as the mid '90s. They started producing notebook computers a few years ago. My comment about the hothardware article is that I don't think it will compete with the OLPC. It's doesn't claim to support the many attributes that seem very important to the OLPC project: durability, resistance to harsh elements, alternative power, low power consumption, sunlight readable screen, etc. Now when I first heard Negroponte talk about the OLPC I liked his statements about the "fat" that has accumulated on PCs and notebooks today and how they are vestigial components that can disappear without most people really caring. In fact his idea about dropping the CapsLock key sounds like it would be an improvement for most people. What I do see here is an echo of that Negroponte speech. I like the idea of low cost notebooks and I would consider putting on in the hands of my Mother. It would need a hard disk though. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux Conference for users by users. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 866-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 26 13:36:46 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:36:46 -0400 Subject: $200 Linux Laptop In-Reply-To: <1185454241.21252.166.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990707250015i6ad32695see5abf34e4b5e577@mail.gmail.com> <46A7F299.3070204@rogers.com> <9041.74.99.30.125.1185420388.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1185454241.21252.166.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: On 7/26/07, John Van Ostrand wrote: > On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 23:26 -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > From Slashdot this evening, in the 'If it sounds too good to be true...' > > dept: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Update 2035 GMT by SM: As many readers have pointed out, the more you dig > > into the details of this company the more fishy it starts to seem. I would > > suggest any potential buyers be wary on this one. > > Asus is well known for providing durable motherboards and has expanded > into many areas. We've used their products as far back as the mid '90s. > They started producing notebook computers a few years ago. Remember, there were two vendors mentioned... The Asus product does seem real; there was also the "Medison Celebrity." The latter is the one which I was suspicious of, and it is the "Medison Celebrity" that the slashdot thread considered "fishy." In contrast, Asus is certainly a credible company to be doing this, as they have all the relevant relationships with vendors providing the hardware they'd need. Indeed, it's quite likely that Asus is the maker of some of the other brand name laptops that people may have. I seem to recall hearing indication that Asus were manufacturing some of the Apple/Mac laptops, and that's actually a pretty relevant "thin edge of the wedge" as it would get them into the situation of building Intel-based machines that don't have the "Microsoft tax." For them to extend that "non-taxed" region to include some Linux-based systems probably has synergies :-). The OTHER hardware thing I'm watching for is for the "iPod shuffle" clones to arrive here. They're evidently in the pipeline, and there seems to be one that actually has a display, thereby being arguably *better than* the Apple product :-). -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 26 14:16:19 2007 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:16:19 -0400 Subject: Free "Powered by Ubuntu" PC stickers Message-ID: <20070726101619.4af128yzkgg8swgk@www.detachednetworks.ca> http://system76.com/article_info.php?articles_id=9 Quote from the site: Show your Ubuntu pride !! FREE strip of four 'powered by Ubuntu' stickers Send a self addressed stamped envelope to: Canada Ubuntu Sticker Offer 2448 Cadboro Bay Rd. Victoria BC V8S 4C1 Canada Thanks to the Ubuntu Canada Team! -- Jason Shein Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 647 ) - 505 - 5002 http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 26 15:44:37 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:44:37 -0400 Subject: groupware server(s)? Message-ID: <46A8C165.5020001@telly.org> Hi folks, I'm doing some research into what would be the best way to offer a backend server that could be used as a companion to IMAP for storing calendar, todo, address books, etc. The perfect tool would be one that could offer its own web-based front end as well as allow for synchronization with Evolution, Sunbird, Kontact, and even Outlook. Any suggestions? - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 26 16:39:59 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:39:59 -0400 Subject: groupware server(s)? In-Reply-To: <46A8C165.5020001-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46A8C165.5020001@telly.org> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0707260939j4dc55e6cq24d75320feefd085@mail.gmail.com> On 7/26/07, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I'm doing some research into what would be the best way to offer a > backend server that could be used as a companion to IMAP for storing > calendar, todo, address books, etc. > > The perfect tool would be one that could offer its own web-based front > end as well as allow for synchronization with Evolution, Sunbird, > Kontact, and even Outlook. You might take a look at Citadel (http://www.citadel.org/) It's got a tonne of features and looks pretty nice. The screenshots provided on the site show it interacting with Evolution, Kontact, and Outlook. I was looking at it last year, but never got around to testing it firsthand. Best of luck! -- Scott Elcomb [ http://www.psema4.com/ ] "Our Founders' faith in the viability of representative democracy rested on their trust in the wisdom of a well-informed citizenry, their ingenious design for checks and balances, and their belief that the rule of reason is the natural sovereign of a free people." - Al Gore (The Assault on Reason, 2008) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 26 16:40:42 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:40:42 +0000 Subject: [OT] Copyright Board of Canada gives thumbs-up to "iPod tax" In-Reply-To: <1185236947.5004.119.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <823196.873.qm@web88112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1185236947.5004.119.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <3a97ef0707260940x1b71c7a5u40e1d5a6ddca4523@mail.gmail.com> What are the statistics though? I know a lot more people that buy memory cards for digital cameras etc than for mp3 players. There are a lot of other things that use those. Even the CD tax is a bit silly. Sure, there are home users burning bunch of discs, but I'd imagine that corporate purchases and other non-music uses make up a larger portion. Exactly what statistics - other than made up ones - have they used to support the argument that these media should be taxed? On 7/24/07, tleslie wrote: > On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 11:03 -0400, Stephen wrote: > > Sy Ali wrote: > > Since this kind of thing seems to be discussed with some > > regularity on > > this mailing list.. > > > > It's particularly topical because of the recent RMS speech. We > > didn't > > have a Canadian example then. We do now.. > > > > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070720-copyright-board-of-canada-gives-thumbs-up-to-ipod-tax.html > > -- > > > > This is a major piss off for me. I am a serious protographer and use 4 > > gig memory cards. They want to tax them under this proposal. > > > > I use dozens of DVDs and CDs to store and distribute my photographs. > > Making me pay a tax on media is wrong. > > So is paying high insurance rates as a young teen driver in Ontario, > when you are actually a good driver, but you still pay (oh do you pay), > your paying because like insurance they don't give a rats ass that they > actually get the money from the people who actually tax the system, > its just all done on statistics. > > -tl > > > > > When people believe that a law is wrong, they are likely to break it. > > Motivating people to break a law is never a good thing. > > > > Stephen > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 26 16:55:28 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:55:28 -0400 Subject: [OT] Copyright Board of Canada gives thumbs-up to "iPod tax" In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0707260940x1b71c7a5u40e1d5a6ddca4523-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <823196.873.qm@web88112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1185236947.5004.119.camel@stan64.site> <3a97ef0707260940x1b71c7a5u40e1d5a6ddca4523@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0707260955o3d96fceat3b29a6dcde8140b8@mail.gmail.com> On 7/26/07, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Even the CD tax is a bit silly. I know this doesn't answer your question, but I disagree. The private copying levy is insane. Not only that, but it doesn't work very good. Case in point: "Canadians Overpay Millions on Private Copying Levy" http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/1946/ "The CPCC has expressed disappointment at this result and indicated that it will develop a plan to reimburse importers and manufacturers for the higher levies that were collected from 2005 - 2007. Of course, assuming that the price of the levy was passed along to consumers, it is not the importers and manufacturers that should receive the reimbursement - it is Canadian consumers. The Board absolves itself of this issue by stating that 'it is not for us to determine who, in the supply chain leading to the final consumer, will be the ultimate beneficiary of these refunds.'" -- Scott Elcomb [ http://www.psema4.com/ ] "Our Founders' faith in the viability of representative democracy rested on their trust in the wisdom of a well-informed citizenry, their ingenious design for checks and balances, and their belief that the rule of reason is the natural sovereign of a free people." - Al Gore (The Assault on Reason, 2008) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 26 17:13:35 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:13:35 -0400 Subject: $200 Linux Laptop In-Reply-To: References: <1e55af990707250015i6ad32695see5abf34e4b5e577@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070726171335.GA28181@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 06:42:08PM +0000, Christopher Browne wrote: > ASUS is a Taiwanese company; it would be very interesting to hear if > someone had any sort of contacts with them. Wouldn't it make more sense to talk to their Canadian HQ in Markham? > This is a mighty interesting device, BTW. I'm a *little* bit > surprised that they don't have a followup device that changes the > specs by dropping display, keyboard, and and battery. That gives you > something *better than* the DECtop box mentioned not too long ago, but > which likely drops out ~$100 worth of hardware. > > And gives you something you could velcro to the back of an LCD monitor. > > * Processor: Intel mobile CPU (Intel 910 chipset, 900MHz Dothan Pentium > M) > * Memory: 512MB RAM > * OS: Linux (Asus customized flavor) > * Storage: 8GB or 16GB flash hard drive > * Webcam: 300K pixel video camera > * Ports: 3 USB ports, 1 VGA out, SD card reader, modem, Ethernet, > headphone out, microphone in At least that is a reasonably equiped machine, and it has flash storage which is probably a large part of the price. > That one seems unbelievable. Did they get a shipment of machines for > free, or something? That's fairly much a "full featured" laptop, not > making any of the design compromises involved with the ASUS Eee (e.g. > - screen size, disk space) Hmm. My guesses at what they might have to pay for parts (probably guessing high given volume discounts are big): 40GB disk $20 256MB DDR400 $10 keyboard $2 mainboard with ethernet, video, via chipset, wireless, etc $50 casing $20 cpu $30 screen $20 So if my guesses are right, then they sure don't make money at that price, but since I am probably way over estimating, it really does look like it should be possible to build at that price, if you make them in high enough quantities. Pretty amazing still. The Asus is much much more impressive at it's price I would say, although obviously tiny. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 26 17:17:27 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:17:27 -0400 Subject: [OT] Copyright Board of Canada gives thumbs-up to "iPod tax" In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0707260940x1b71c7a5u40e1d5a6ddca4523-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <823196.873.qm@web88112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1185236947.5004.119.camel@stan64.site> <3a97ef0707260940x1b71c7a5u40e1d5a6ddca4523@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46A8D727.1060000@rogers.com> Tyler Aviss wrote: > What are the statistics though? I know a lot more people that buy > memory cards for digital cameras etc than for mp3 players. There are a > lot of other things that use those. > > Even the CD tax is a bit silly. Sure, there are home users burning > bunch of discs, but I'd imagine that corporate purchases and other > non-music uses make up a larger portion. > > Exactly what statistics - other than made up ones - have they used to > support the argument that these media should be taxed? > While I have made several music CD copies, I own the original on CD, cassette or vinyl, with very few exceptions. Again for the MP3's I made to play on my Nokia N800. This means I've paid at least twice for that music. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 26 17:33:58 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:33:58 -0400 Subject: Know this DSL provider - good or bad? In-Reply-To: <3263242b0707251457n6cb2813el8e9218a016c060d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3263242b0707251457n6cb2813el8e9218a016c060d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070726173358.GB28181@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 05:57:58PM -0400, Jeff Liu wrote: > Only $18.95/m. http://www.acanac.ca/more-info.htm For the first year, then it is $33/month after that. No static IP option either except on business service. Their VoIP service agreement seems silly. You can talk to at most 50 different phone numbers in a month or they consider you a business user (which costs more) and even business users are limited to 250 different phone numbers per month. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 26 18:04:59 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OT] Copyright Board of Canada gives thumbs-up to "iPod tax" In-Reply-To: <46A8D727.1060000-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <823196.873.qm@web88112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1185236947.5004.119.camel@stan64.site> <3a97ef0707260940x1b71c7a5u40e1d5a6ddca4523@mail.gmail.com> <46A8D727.1060000@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: James Knott | While I have made several music CD copies, I own the original on CD, cassette | or vinyl, with very few exceptions. Again for the MP3's I made to play on my | Nokia N800. This means I've paid at least twice for that music. You don't get it. In fact almost no consumer gets it. So how are they (we) supposed to obey a law we don't understand? The sad answer is: "technical means" (DRM), "self help" (Sony rootkits), and law suits. The right answer would be to make copyright laws that are understandable and could be percieved as fair and reasonable (like laws about tangible property). Good luck. Technically, copyright is (was) about making copies. The private copying regime, as I understand it (I could be wrong), is that end users are allowed to copy music for their own use onto media that have the levy paid. Somebody told me that I was wrong and that one is allowed to copy onto unlevied media, but tentatively I'm sticking with my original belief. In any case, the private copying regime was a quid pro quo for the levy. You pay for copies, not the contents. Before the private copying regime was introduced (1995?), you could not make a legal copy. For example, taping from an LP that you owned was not allowed. Making a copy onto an MP3 player is (probably) not allowed since there is no levy paid on the MP3 player. You've never paid for the music. You've paid for one copy (original CD, cassette, or LP) and you've paid for the right to copy onto CDs (in a sort of diffuse way). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 26 16:20:36 2007 From: ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: groupware server(s)? In-Reply-To: <46A8C165.5020001-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <46A8C165.5020001@telly.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I'm doing some research into what would be the best way to offer a > backend server that could be used as a companion to IMAP for storing > calendar, todo, address books, etc. > > The perfect tool would be one that could offer its own web-based front > end as well as allow for synchronization with Evolution, Sunbird, > Kontact, and even Outlook. Evan, I've had great success with Zimbra Collaboration Suite (http://www.zimbra.com). Give it a try. Terry -- Terry Tanski, BSc RHCE Email: ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 26 18:55:42 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <46A55A21.80708-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got an offer for three-days consulting work in the US. Has anyone here > had recent experience travel down south for work? Any tips for a painless > border crossing? I've been reading this thread with interest. Here is my take... I'm an Australian citizen so I enter the US on a 'visa waiver' which specificially allows me to go to the US to work for up to 90 days so long as I'm employed and paid by a non-US company[1]. Thus if a Canadian employer sent me to the US on this basis I should have no problems as long as the INS agents understood their own rules. Surely a Canadian sent south by a Canadian company should have no more trouble getting in to the US than I would. Madi, do you have your own company? If not, would it be worth setting one up (it can be done online very rapidly). [1] Interestingly Journalism is specifically excluded. A well known Australian journalist was detained and handcuffed a couple of years back before being put on a plane back to Australia for failing to understand this rule. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 26 20:18:47 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:18:47 -0400 Subject: SGI and NASA ready most powerful Linux computer ever Message-ID: <46A901A7.4040601@rogers.com> http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS7317694195.html -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 26 21:18:50 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: More mindless self promotion Message-ID: <627133.68834.qm@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> My take on a few Linux related product can be seen here: http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3853 The above includes a few words about (well, very few, I had 750 words in which to cover four products) GTALug member Peter Hiscocks and his DSO-101 Oscilloscope. Enjoy (I hope). Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 27 00:15:17 2007 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:15:17 -0400 Subject: [OT] Copyright Board of Canada gives thumbs-up to "iPod tax" In-Reply-To: References: <823196.873.qm@web88112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1185236947.5004.119.camel@stan64.site> <3a97ef0707260940x1b71c7a5u40e1d5a6ddca4523@mail.gmail.com> <46A8D727.1060000@rogers.com> Message-ID: <001e01c7cfe3$369308c0$0105a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Bottom line, This is still a democracy. Simple solution: call your MP. Let them know how you feel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 28 14:52:40 2007 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:52:40 -0400 Subject: Hardware compatibility: NVIDIA Nforce 570 Ultra MCP and SATA Message-ID: <46AB5838.1050109@pppoe.ca> Hi I'm looking at an ASUS M2N-E motherboard to use with a SATA hard drive and SATA DVD burner. The chipset is the NVIDIA Nforce 570 Ultra MCP. I understand that the earlier NVIDIA chipsets used the sata_nv driver and that the later ones use the ahci driver. What does this chipset use? Has anyone experience with the above board or another board based on the same chip? Are there any issues that I should be aware of? Is it possible to run both IDE and SATA devices simultaneously? This is my first experience with SATA, any help will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 28 15:14:22 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:14:22 -0400 Subject: Hardware compatibility: NVIDIA Nforce 570 Ultra MCP and SATA In-Reply-To: <46AB5838.1050109-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <46AB5838.1050109@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <46AB5D4E.5040807@utoronto.ca> Meng Cheah wrote: > Hi > > I'm looking at an ASUS M2N-E motherboard to use with a SATA hard drive > and SATA DVD burner. > The chipset is the NVIDIA Nforce 570 Ultra MCP. > > I understand that the earlier NVIDIA chipsets used the sata_nv driver > and that the later ones use the ahci driver. > What does this chipset use? > Has anyone experience with the above board or another board based on the > same chip? > Are there any issues that I should be aware of? > > Is it possible to run both IDE and SATA devices simultaneously? > This is my first experience with SATA, any help will be appreciated. > Thanks in advance. Hi Meng, that's a good board, fairly inexpensive and very compatible. Don't forget your smp i686 kernel or, if you're feeling adventurous or want to take advantage of that blazing fast 5800+ processor, use a 64-bit distro. You've got 4GB of low-latency RAM too right ;) Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 28 19:25:45 2007 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:25:45 -0400 Subject: Hardware compatibility: NVIDIA Nforce 570 Ultra MCP and SATA In-Reply-To: <46AB5D4E.5040807-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <46AB5838.1050109@pppoe.ca> <46AB5D4E.5040807@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <46AB9839.8070100@pppoe.ca> Jamon Camisso wrote: > Hi Meng, that's a good board, fairly inexpensive and very compatible. > Don't forget your smp i686 kernel or, if you're feeling adventurous or > want to take advantage of that blazing fast 5800+ processor, use a > 64-bit distro. You've got 4GB of low-latency RAM too right ;) Thanks, Jamon :-) I'll probably go with a 65W Athlon 64 X2 and 2G RAM. The budget does not allow for a 5800+ :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 28 20:26:52 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:26:52 -0400 Subject: Hardware compatibility: NVIDIA Nforce 570 Ultra MCP and SATA In-Reply-To: <46AB9839.8070100-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <46AB5838.1050109@pppoe.ca> <46AB5D4E.5040807@utoronto.ca> <46AB9839.8070100@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <46ABA68C.4080400@utoronto.ca> Meng Cheah wrote: > Jamon Camisso wrote: >> Hi Meng, that's a good board, fairly inexpensive and very compatible. >> Don't forget your smp i686 kernel or, if you're feeling adventurous or >> want to take advantage of that blazing fast 5800+ processor, use a >> 64-bit distro. You've got 4GB of low-latency RAM too right ;) > Thanks, Jamon :-) > I'll probably go with a 65W Athlon 64 X2 and 2G RAM. > The budget does not allow for a 5800+ :-) As would I. I think you can pick up the 65W 4800+ for $123 at Filtech, and they also have some low(ish) latency 4-4-5-4 OCZ RAM (2GB PC-6200) for $89 after a $40 mail in rebate (good luck with that). Put that all together and you're talking ~$375 for a decent enough system. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From zh.huang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 29 01:49:05 2007 From: zh.huang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (zuoheng) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:49:05 +0800 Subject: help a university project -- check the integrity of your isp Message-ID: <573409e0707281849u3464b524uc887a8ffb9dca439@mail.gmail.com> Hi, All, I just came across an post at VLUG. about University of Washington's project to check if your isp modifify the contents you access. vancouver.cs.washington.edu access the url, then you participate in. you may be interesting in. /zuoheng -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjh-tkNKonCg4laeFQavDyXPBQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 29 08:13:27 2007 From: rjh-tkNKonCg4laeFQavDyXPBQ at public.gmane.org (Robin Humble) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 04:13:27 -0400 Subject: SGI and NASA ready most powerful Linux computer ever In-Reply-To: <46A901A7.4040601-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <46A901A7.4040601@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20070729081327.GB18260@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 04:18:47PM -0400, James Knott wrote: >http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS7317694195.html that's a lot of boot penguins :-) BTW, we partition our 1680cpu altix into one kernel per 32 or 64cpus otherwise any hardware or software glitch would take down the whole machine. so NASA are being very brave. cheers, robin -- Dr Robin Humble, HPC Systems Analyst, Australian National Facility -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 29 14:28:06 2007 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:28:06 -0400 Subject: Hardware compatibility: NVIDIA Nforce 570 Ultra MCP and SATA In-Reply-To: <46ABA68C.4080400-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <46AB5838.1050109@pppoe.ca> <46AB5D4E.5040807@utoronto.ca> <46AB9839.8070100@pppoe.ca> <46ABA68C.4080400@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <46ACA3F6.8070402@pppoe.ca> Jamon Camisso wrote: > As would I. I think you can pick up the 65W 4800+ for $123 at Filtech, > and they also have some low(ish) latency 4-4-5-4 OCZ RAM (2GB PC-6200) > for $89 after a $40 mail in rebate (good luck with that). > > Put that all together and you're talking ~$375 for a decent enough > system. > Thanks. I will definitely look into that. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 29 18:30:14 2007 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:30:14 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20070729183014.GA24567@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 05:54:11AM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On Monday 23 July 2007 21:47, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I've got an offer for three-days consulting work in the US. Has > > anyone here had recent experience travel down south for work? Any > > tips for a painless border crossing? > > 1. Be prepared for completely arbitrary interpretations of the (silly) > ... > > 2. Have a written contract from your client and a mountain of > ... > > 3. You do not need a TN visa if you are going to the U.S. to service, > ... > > 4. Be truthful in your answers. The consequences for being caught > ... Interesting thread. I was denied entry about 7 years ago. I was under the impression that, as Canadian citizen, I don't need a permit to enter US for a visit. And, my trip was a visit to meet potential client and to discuss job specs, and no work would be done in US in any case. Apparently not. I went back to the border a week later, with letter from client, full documentations, etc. I got the same INS guy and the same hassle. Fortunately, his coworker processed my application. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 29 20:06:35 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Booth planning. Message-ID: <678601.22082.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Back on July 16th a number of GTALug folks meet to consider GTALug and future trade shows, and other "events" (notes about that are below). In particular consideration was made about the upcoming Ontario Linuxfest. Since that meeting the GTALug board has meet, and while a final decision has not yet been made it looks likely that GTALug will be at Ontario Linuxfest (final call will likely be made on the basis of costs, for space, furnishings, handouts, etc.). Even if we are not at Ontario Linuxfest, it does appear we will be at more than just the likes the IT360 shows. There will be a follow-up meeting on GTALug and events Monday, July 30th, 7:00 PM at the Starbucks coffee shop inside the Indigo bookstore, 2300 Yonge Street. Once I clear away night school course (last class August 2nd), and a few magazine articles (5 due in the next 2 weeks) I will plan to spend some time on the electronic name badge question (which attracted a lot of positive attention). A few things I already know: - the Atmel ATtiny 2313 appears to be the way to go for a CPU. - Can wire an LCD module -> control board with with as few as 8 wires (4 data wires, 2 control wires, power and ground). To simplify the control software it would be better to go to 8 data wires (total of 12 wires) but this is not required. - Not sure how to go for badge power. When I did the BASIC stamp based badge, part of the problem was the weight of a 9 V battery. So, I have checked 9V battery vs. 3 x AAA batteries. The 3 x AAA batteries were lighter 34 grams vs 37 grams (not enough difference to matter). May go with 2 x CR2032 batteries, but ideally I would like to use rechargeable easily changed batteries... - Keeping the badges thin is a concern. Again, a problem the BASIC Stamp badge where the stamp was behind the display, meant the badge always wanted to tip forward (and thus away from the viewer). As a point of interest this past week I attended a talk out near the airport, after which I rode the number 58 bus which went past the Toronto Congress Centre (site of the Ontario Linuxfest) to the Lawrence West subway station. This was around lunch time, and from passing in front of the Toronto Congress Centre to stopped inside the Lawrence West subway station bus bay was just under 33 minutes. Colin McGregor --- July 16 quick meeting notes: Okay, here are quick rough notes from the meeting: Key areas discussed: -What is our message: - GTALug - Linux - CLUE - Certification in general - vendor Independence - User support - CLUE partnership, yes or no? - Consensus was yes. - Past issues, volunteer training - Dress code - Booth practises and etiquette - Keep the focus on the crowd, not each other (don't let the booth become a clubhouse) - Windows developer package - make sure volunteers can deliver info on moving from Windows to Linux. - Candy / goodies - Committees - Booth Furnishings - Focus on supporting a 10' x 10' booth or 10' x 20' booth (highly unlikely we will ever get anything larger). - Ask Bill Thanis and Drew Sullivan to run this. - Badges - Build prototype, - Must be kept small/light. - First try to be LCD based (easier to wire than LED based badges...). Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 29 20:22:44 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:22:44 -0400 Subject: Booth planning. In-Reply-To: <678601.22082.qm-JoSsSUNfUciB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <678601.22082.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46ACF714.5030002@utoronto.ca> Colin McGregor wrote: > - Committees > - Booth Furnishings > - Focus on supporting a 10' x 10' booth or > 10' x 20' booth (highly unlikely we will ever > get anything larger). > - Ask Bill Thanis and Drew Sullivan to run this. And David Patrick for a 10' inflatable penguin :) > - Badges > - Build prototype, > - Must be kept small/light. > - First try to be LCD based (easier to wire than > LED based badges...). Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 29 22:12:13 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SGI and NASA ready most powerful Linux computer ever In-Reply-To: <20070729081327.GB18260-Xa+LbO3DC1G2Q0qicKDiVp4VBq8PJc8F@public.gmane.org> References: <46A901A7.4040601@rogers.com> <20070729081327.GB18260@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, Robin Humble wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 04:18:47PM -0400, James Knott wrote: >> http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS7317694195.html > > that's a lot of boot penguins :-) > > BTW, we partition our 1680cpu altix into one kernel per 32 or 64cpus > otherwise any hardware or software glitch would take down the whole > machine. so NASA are being very brave. The thing that got me was scalability. Sure a lot of work has gone in to improving fine grain locking, etc, but I have significant concerns about lost efficiency running so many cores under a single kernel. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jul 29 22:14:04 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Booth planning. In-Reply-To: <46ACF714.5030002-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <46ACF714.5030002@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <838003.49744.qm@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Jamon Camisso wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > > > - Committees > > - Booth Furnishings > > - Focus on supporting a 10' x 10' booth or > > 10' x 20' booth (highly unlikely we will > ever > > get anything larger). > > - Ask Bill Thanis and Drew Sullivan to run > this. > > And David Patrick for a 10' inflatable penguin :) That penguin is nice, it's cute, and for a typical 10' x 10' booth it is too @#$% big!!! I have suggested to one of the Ontario LinuxFest organisers that he talk to David about the use of the penguin, as it would make a great item to show off at the event (and get a bit of positive PR for David Patrick's Linuxcaffe). So, if for the sake of argument GTALug were to get an exceptionally (and MOST unlikely to happen) large booth at a future event (say 40' x 40') with electrical power provided (again most places want to charge extra $ for power) I would be delighted to see the penguin in the booth. But normally we have too little space, and can not justify the $ for electrical power for David Patrick's penguin to make sense... > > - Badges > > - Build prototype, > > - Must be kept small/light. > > - First try to be LCD based (easier to wire > than > > LED based badges...). > > Jamon > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 30 13:19:19 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:19:19 -0400 Subject: public DNS servers? Message-ID: <20070730131919.GB1079@watson-wilson.ca> Does anyone have a source for publicly available DNS servers? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 22 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 30 13:22:07 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:22:07 -0400 Subject: public DNS servers? In-Reply-To: <20070730131919.GB1079-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070730131919.GB1079@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <200707300922.07735.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Monday 30 July 2007 09:19, Neil Watson wrote: > Does anyone have a source for publicly available DNS servers? -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 30 13:26:35 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:26:35 -0400 Subject: public DNS servers? In-Reply-To: <200707300922.07735.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20070730131919.GB1079@watson-wilson.ca> <200707300922.07735.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <46ADE70B.1000608@utoronto.ca> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On Monday 30 July 2007 09:19, Neil Watson wrote: >> Does anyone have a source for publicly available DNS servers? > > Just a note, they have a nasty "feature" that redirects any request to a non-existent domain to themed Yahoo! search results. Apart from that, the service is very good, and I think if you create an account you can turn off that "feature." Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 30 13:28:19 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:28:19 -0400 Subject: public DNS servers? In-Reply-To: <46ADE70B.1000608-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20070730131919.GB1079@watson-wilson.ca> <200707300922.07735.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <46ADE70B.1000608@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20070730132819.GC1079@watson-wilson.ca> On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 09:26:35AM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: >>On Monday 30 July 2007 09:19, Neil Watson wrote: >> > >Just a note, they have a nasty "feature" that redirects any request to a >non-existent domain to themed Yahoo! search results. Apart from that, >the service is very good, and I think if you create an account you can >turn off that "feature." Thank you both for the tips. -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 22 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jieshu-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 30 13:53:56 2007 From: jieshu-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jie Shu) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:53:56 -0400 Subject: public DNS servers? In-Reply-To: <20070730131919.GB1079-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070730131919.GB1079@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <68a8796b0707300653tda82de2ocd28cd3ebbd4d134@mail.gmail.com> www.EveryDNS.net On 7/30/07, Neil Watson wrote: > > Does anyone have a source for publicly available DNS servers? > > -- > Neil Watson | Debian Linux > System Administrator | Uptime 22 days > http://watson-wilson.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Answers could be: - No, I just want an alternative DNS server to the one my ISP / hosting provider offers; I don't need to add my own hosts to it... - Yes, I want this DNS server to be a nameserver for some of my hosts... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 30 14:02:15 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:02:15 -0400 Subject: public DNS servers? In-Reply-To: References: <20070730131919.GB1079@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20070730140215.GD1079@watson-wilson.ca> On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 10:00:36AM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: >Answers could be: > - No, I just want an alternative DNS server to the one my ISP / >hosting provider offers; I don't need to add my own hosts to it... Correct. -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 22 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 30 17:06:22 2007 From: smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sheldon Mustard) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:06:22 -0400 Subject: Consulting work in the US; tips? In-Reply-To: <20070729183014.GA24567-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <46A55A21.80708@alteeve.com> <200707240554.12019.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <20070729183014.GA24567@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <22e435080707301006h3104c122s39f5867481996e5d@mail.gmail.com> On 7/29/07, William Park wrote: > Interesting thread. To add to the thread, this is sorta related. For those unfortunate souls that don't waste their lives reading digg feeds. http://addxorrol.blogspot.com/2007/07/ive-been-denied-entry-to-us-essentially.html SJM -- Sheldon Mustard smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org "There will be no order, only chaos." - Pi (1998) -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 30 17:14:04 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:14:04 -0400 Subject: public DNS servers? In-Reply-To: <20070730140215.GD1079-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070730131919.GB1079@watson-wilson.ca> <20070730140215.GD1079@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <7ac602420707301014r5f8bd308j5422f2eccb2224d7@mail.gmail.com> On 7/30/07, Neil Watson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 10:00:36AM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > >Answers could be: > > - No, I just want an alternative DNS server to the one my ISP / > >hosting provider offers; I don't need to add my own hosts to it... > > Correct. If that's the case, why don't you just run a local one? I suppose it depends on your use-case, but I'm running djbdns on my local machines and it has helped me occasionally when the ISP's DNS servers crap out. Perhaps this solution is overkill, and the gurus on this list might be able to give reasons why it's a bad idea, but it seems to work fine for me. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 30 17:33:10 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:33:10 -0400 Subject: Hardware compatibility: NVIDIA Nforce 570 Ultra MCP and SATA In-Reply-To: <46ABA68C.4080400-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <46AB5838.1050109@pppoe.ca> <46AB5D4E.5040807@utoronto.ca> <46AB9839.8070100@pppoe.ca> <46ABA68C.4080400@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20070730173310.GA20906@glucose-fructose.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 04:26:52PM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > As would I. I think you can pick up the 65W 4800+ for $123 at Filtech, and > they also have some low(ish) latency 4-4-5-4 OCZ RAM (2GB PC-6200) for $89 > after a $40 mail in rebate (good luck with that). I have had no problems with OCZ mail in rebates in the past. > Put that all together and you're talking ~$375 for a decent enough system. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 30 17:44:38 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:44:38 -0400 Subject: SElinux book Message-ID: <20070730174438.GE1079@watson-wilson.ca> I'm looking for a good resource about Selinux. O'Reilly has a book but, from 2004 which seems a bit dated. There is also this title: SELinux by Example Format: Trade Paperback Published: July 27, 2006 Dimensions: 456 Pages, 7 x 9.2 x 0.88 in ISBN: 0131963694 Published By: Pearson Education Has anyone used this? Can they offer a better resource? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 22 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 30 18:11:40 2007 From: myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles A. Braithwaite) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: public DNS servers? In-Reply-To: <20070730131919.GB1079-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20070730131919.GB1079@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <1911233.61185819100223.JavaMail.root@mail> 192.9.9.3 works. (and is the only IP number I can remember) ----- "Neil Watson" wrote: > Does anyone have a source for publicly available DNS servers? > > -- > Neil Watson | Debian Linux > System Administrator | Uptime 22 days > http://watson-wilson.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Myles A. Braithwaite Monkey in your Soul - http://miys.net/ myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 30 18:43:58 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:43:58 -0400 Subject: public DNS servers? In-Reply-To: <1911233.61185819100223.JavaMail.root@mail> References: <20070730131919.GB1079@watson-wilson.ca> <1911233.61185819100223.JavaMail.root@mail> Message-ID: <20070730184358.GB20906@glucose-fructose.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 02:11:40PM -0400, Myles A. Braithwaite wrote: > 192.9.9.3 works. (and is the only IP number I can remember) I remember 207.181.101.4 and 207.181.101.5 (netcom.ca/allstream/whatever they are now). Back when I used dial up they were good to know. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 30 19:09:20 2007 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:09:20 -0400 Subject: Hardware compatibility: NVIDIA Nforce 570 Ultra MCP and SATA In-Reply-To: <20070730173310.GA20906-RS9mMug8cEdeEBsGXKxUuhXIDzx3rGmiQFUY5ocGksJFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <46AB5838.1050109@pppoe.ca> <46AB5D4E.5040807@utoronto.ca> <46AB9839.8070100@pppoe.ca> <46ABA68C.4080400@utoronto.ca> <20070730173310.GA20906@glucose-fructose.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <46AE3760.5000905@pppoe.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 04:26:52PM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > >> As would I. I think you can pick up the 65W 4800+ for $123 at Filtech, and >> they also have some low(ish) latency 4-4-5-4 OCZ RAM (2GB PC-6200) for $89 >> after a $40 mail in rebate (good luck with that). >> > > I have had no problems with OCZ mail in rebates in the past > Thanks, Lennart. I take it that you are happy with their RAM. I haven't used OCZ before. Regards Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jul 30 21:48:37 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:48:37 -0400 Subject: Hardware compatibility: NVIDIA Nforce 570 Ultra MCP and SATA In-Reply-To: <46AE3760.5000905-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <46AB5838.1050109@pppoe.ca> <46AB5D4E.5040807@utoronto.ca> <46AB9839.8070100@pppoe.ca> <46ABA68C.4080400@utoronto.ca> <20070730173310.GA20906@glucose-fructose.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <46AE3760.5000905@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <20070730214837.GC20906@glucose-fructose.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 03:09:20PM -0400, Meng Cheah wrote: > Thanks, Lennart. > I take it that you are happy with their RAM. > I haven't used OCZ before. My sister's machine has had 1GB of PC6400 Platinum from OCZ since xmas, and so far it has run flawlessly. I got the OCZ since it was lifetime warrenty, PC6400 CL4, and had the lowest price after the mail in rebate. I often buy crucial, corsair, or kingston as well. It isn't worth buying generic ram anymore given the small price difference. When I used to buy generic ram, often it didn't perform at the spec it claimed to. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 31 01:49:52 2007 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:49:52 -0400 Subject: [OT]: Who owns the robots.txt "protocol?" Message-ID: <99a6c38f0707301849o57109057ta0eb4ce81a8ed9cd@mail.gmail.com> Did I miss something, or is it just in the wording? >From the Official Google Blog: "This is the third and last in my series of blog posts about the Robots Exclusion Protocol (REP). In the first post, I introduced robots.txt and the robots META tags, giving an overview of when to use them. In the second post, I shared some examples of what you can do with the REP. Today, I'll introduce two new features that we have recently added to the protocol." http://tinyurl.com/35dksy http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2007/07/robots-exclusion-protocol-now-with-even.html In particular, it's the last line that bugs me. I've been a long time fan of Google, and use many of their services, but lately they've been reaching in ways (as others have noted) that make me think twice. In that regards, did Google somehow acquire "management rights" over the REP, or is this just "microsoftism?" -- Scott Elcomb [ http://www.psema4.com/ ] "Our Founders' faith in the viability of representative democracy rested on their trust in the wisdom of a well-informed citizenry, their ingenious design for checks and balances, and their belief that the rule of reason is the natural sovereign of a free people." - Al Gore (The Assault on Reason, 2008) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vertaxis-fLiV7HKGQdk at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 31 01:59:07 2007 From: vertaxis-fLiV7HKGQdk at public.gmane.org (vertaxis) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:59:07 -0400 Subject: Rackmount Equipment? Message-ID: <200707310159.l6V1x8nU089918@zanzibar.vif.com> Does anyone know of any stores in Toronto/GTA that sell rack chassis and accessories? Thanks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 31 02:06:32 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rackmount Equipment? In-Reply-To: <200707310159.l6V1x8nU089918-DjbzrgOW3G91n3SEVaWUIw@public.gmane.org> References: <200707310159.l6V1x8nU089918@zanzibar.vif.com> Message-ID: <2586.74.99.30.125.1185847592.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Hammond Manufacturing make a wide variety of rack mounts. Their products can be purchased through Active-Tech in Willowdale and (probably) Electrosonic. They have all the rack-mount hardware as well. I noticed recently that partial racks (for disco and portable audio recording, I would guess) are available from Active Surplus on Queen Street. Clydesdale Cases (in Pickering last time I looked) build custom road cases, which can include rack mounts. Peter > Does anyone know of any stores in Toronto/GTA that sell rack chassis > and accessories? > > Thanks. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 31 11:31:58 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 07:31:58 -0400 Subject: Rackmount Equipment? In-Reply-To: <200707310159.l6V1x8nU089918-DjbzrgOW3G91n3SEVaWUIw@public.gmane.org> References: <200707310159.l6V1x8nU089918@zanzibar.vif.com> Message-ID: <46AF1DAE.6060607@rogers.com> vertaxis wrote: > Does anyone know of any stores in Toronto/GTA that sell rack chassis > and accessories? > Electrosonic on Gordon Baker Rd. has a good selection. Sayal has a few items too. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 31 18:46:02 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:46:02 -0400 Subject: [OT]: Who owns the robots.txt "protocol?" In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0707301849o57109057ta0eb4ce81a8ed9cd-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0707301849o57109057ta0eb4ce81a8ed9cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070731184602.GD20906@glucose-fructose.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 09:49:52PM -0400, Scott Elcomb wrote: > Did I miss something, or is it just in the wording? > > From the Official Google Blog: > > "This is the third and last in my series of blog posts about the > Robots Exclusion Protocol (REP). In the first post, I introduced > robots.txt and the robots META tags, giving an overview of when to use > them. In the second post, I shared some examples of what you can do > with the REP. Today, I'll introduce two new features that we have > recently added to the protocol." > > http://tinyurl.com/35dksy > http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2007/07/robots-exclusion-protocol-now-with-even.html > > In particular, it's the last line that bugs me. I've been a long time > fan of Google, and use many of their services, but lately they've been > reaching in ways (as others have noted) that make me think twice. > > In that regards, did Google somehow acquire "management rights" over > the REP, or is this just "microsoftism?" Well I think robots.txt was designed to support new tags, which other robots are allowed to ignore if they don't understand, so probably nothing wrong with google saying 'our bot now supports these additional tags'. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 31 20:15:05 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (tleslie) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:15:05 -0400 Subject: Short term linux contract (ubuntu/boot-dvd) Message-ID: <1185912905.23920.72.camel@stan64.site> building a ubuntu based boot DVD email me at both this address(tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org), and ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (better chance i don't lose your email to a spam filter). probably need 2-6 weeks full time starting today, to complete this project. You can include salary expectation with your email if you like, I will certainly be asking for that if I contact you. Please also indicate why it is you believe that you can do this job (i.e. experiences, education) experimentation with USB booting would also be of value. We are interested in just getting a quality job done quick, and willing to pay appropriately for the task, i.e. we can make your wallet very heavy, very quickly. We could even entertain more then one person for this job, if it could divide up efficiently. We are looking in particular for the product to have good hardware detection basics for a successfully boot and access to Internet, meaning booting on various pata/sata chip sets, set up of video card with specific resolution, and set up of network (ethernet card). Also needed, set up of openswan with NAT-T or kernel based Netkey based vpn with NAT-T within the boot environment. Set up of a gnome desktop with custom layout. -tl -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jul 31 21:10:56 2007 From: jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Spiro) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:10:56 -0400 Subject: Short term linux contract (ubuntu/boot-dvd) In-Reply-To: <1185912905.23920.72.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <1185912905.23920.72.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: 2007/7/31, tleslie wrote: > building a ubuntu based boot DVD FYI: IIRC the gNewSense project came up with a set of tools to make Ubuntu derivatives by removing the Ubuntu trademark and certain other bits. There may be other Ubuntu remastering tools, too; I haven't checked. ... > probably need 2-6 weeks full time starting today, > to complete this project. I am just curious: is this the a similar job to the "Employment linux admin/programmer wanted" opening you posted last year or to any other job openings you've posted to list before? > We are looking in particular for the product to have good > hardware detection basics for a successfully boot and access to > Internet, meaning booting on various pata/sata chip sets, > set up of video card with specific resolution, and set up > of network (ethernet card). Is there certain hardware you want to support that Ubuntu doesn't support? Also, is the job for Torontonians only? Telecommuting from elsewhere in Canada OK? Full-time? Requires overtime? Cheers, Jason -- Jason Spiro: Linux consultant, web developer, Windows corporate trainer. No job too big or too small, whether two hours or two months. Contact me for info; to see my resume, send email with subject line "resume". +1.613.668.6096 / Email: info-1hdvTAswZAHQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org / MSN: jasonspiro-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists