a convert to Seaside
CLIFFORD ILKAY
clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org
Sun Feb 18 20:30:25 UTC 2007
On Saturday 17 February 2007, Yanni Chiu wrote:
> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> > [No, not me.]
> >
> > This blog entry looks interesting and relevant to the topic of
> > this week's TLUG talk. "MY Full-Circle Jouney Back to Smalltalk"
> >
> > http://kentreis.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/my-full-circle-journey-b
> >ack-to-smalltalk/
>
> How was the talk?
Unfortunately, I couldn't attend due to prior commitments. Had I found
out about it earlier, I might have been able to do something about
that.
> What do people think of Smalltalk and Seaside?
I've looked at Smalltalk and really wanted to like it because I have
great respect for its creator but I couldn't get past the weirdness
of the environment. I care about deployment issues so I'm not
enthusiastic about deploying something on a server that requires VNC,
or some such thing, in order to manage it. I'm also not enthusiastic
about any environment that requires me to use a specific IDE or
specific tools, especially one as weird and anachronistic as Squeak.
I've worked with such a tool for a long time and after having made
the switch to open source languages, like Python, I see using
something like Squeak Smalltalk a major step backwards, even if
Smalltalk is a more "pure" OO language. I can use any number of IDEs
with Python but I am not forced to. I can (and do) use vim, Kate, or
whatever text editor is at hand. I can use tools like grep, diff,
Subversion on Python source. With Smalltalk, I can't leverage any of
those familiar tools. I would need to find replacements for and
relearn, well, just about everything. It is not obvious that effort
would be worthwhile.
In some respects, what I wrote above sounds very much like what PHP
folks say about Python and Ruby so I admit that it is entirely
possible that just like they miss the point of Python and Ruby
because they don't know any better, I'm missing the point of Seaside
and Smalltalk because I don't know any better. Perhaps there is some
magic moment where the supposed advantages of Smalltalk becomes real
and that I haven't encountered that moment yet.
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Regards,
Clifford Ilkay
Dinamis Corporation
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Toronto, ON
Canada M4N 3P6
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