From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 1 01:21:40 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:21:40 -0500 Subject: OT: CBC's Search Engine discusses forthcoming copyright bill. Message-ID: <4750B724.40407@utoronto.ca> Fellow Tluggers, CBC's radio program, Search Engine, is discussing the forthcoming copyright bill. http://www.cbc.ca/searchengine/index.html Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 1 02:44:25 2007 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:44:25 -0500 Subject: OT: Globe and Mail reports on ISP Traffic Shaping In-Reply-To: <20071130221629.GF2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <474E51DE.3040508@utoronto.ca> <200711291518.52027.troworld@gmail.com> <20071129221229.GD2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200711301645.06138.troworld@gmail.com> <20071130221629.GF2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4750CA89.3000108@pppoe.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Hmm, I already throttle upload speeds myself, so I wouldn't notice that > :) > > -- > Len Sorensen > > "...the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) has published a comprehensive account of Comcast's packet-forging activities and has released software and documentation instructing Internet users on how to test for packet forgery or other forms of interference by their own ISPs." http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2007/11/28 Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 1 02:54:29 2007 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:54:29 -0500 Subject: OT: CBC's Search Engine discusses forthcoming copyright bill. In-Reply-To: <4750B724.40407-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4750B724.40407@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4750CCE5.5070003@pppoe.ca> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Fellow Tluggers, > CBC's radio program, Search Engine, is discussing the forthcoming > copyright bill. > > http://www.cbc.ca/searchengine/index.html > > Ivan. > and another couple of links 30 Days of DRM: 30 Things You Can Do http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/1447/273/ Copyright Choices and Voices http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2419/125/ Meng Cheah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 1 04:49:24 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:49:24 -0500 Subject: Security considerations for EEE PC In-Reply-To: <200711260905.14250.hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20071126054058.GA31703@waltdnes.org> <200711260742.16701.fraser@wehave.net> <200711260905.14250.hdevalence@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071201044924.GA30445@waltdnes.org> Sorry for the delay replying, I'm still figuring out my new mail config On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 09:05:14AM -0500, Henry de Valence wrote > I read somewhere that there was one or two, because ASUS was > apparently > violating the GPL. > > link: > http://cliffhacks.blogspot.com/2007/11/asus-eeepc-first-impressions-and-gpl.html Apparently an "oops" on the part of ASUS. They've fixed things according to > http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/11/27/asus-resolves-eee-gpl-violation-releases-asus_acpi-code-changes > In response to criticism from Linux enthusiasts, Asus has made > additional source code archives available for download with code for > the asus_acpi module, BusyBox, and several other components. The code > released by Asus brings the company into compliance with its > obligations > under the GPL and should satisfy most of the critics. > > The source code changes made by Asus are important because the > availability of that code will simplify the process of making other > Linux distributions perform better on the Eee PC. What I'm waiting for is the EEE PC 8G model due to show up today. It'll have a gig of ram and an 8 gig SSD. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 1 06:03:44 2007 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 01:03:44 -0500 Subject: Recommendation on Barebone kit reseller In-Reply-To: <20071123195851.GB1298-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <001e01c82de1$f882eac0$e988c040$@com> <61e9e2b10711230952o2111b8e6g8e2fb7d87302c269@mail.gmail.com> <20071123191019.GY1298@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200711231423.11449.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071123195851.GB1298@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <024201c833df$ef649890$ce2dc9b0$@com> Thanks for the feedback guys. I ended up buying from a guy off ebay, that turned out to be a reseller downtown. I got a Dual Core AMD x64 System, 4GB of RAM and a 320GB hd for 375$. Not bad I think. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 1 06:05:29 2007 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 01:05:29 -0500 Subject: DNS Hosting Message-ID: <024301c833e0$2d97e7c0$88c7b740$@com> Hello All, I have my domains registered with godaddy.com and I use their DNS services. It really sucks. Really. For some strange reason my SRV (_sip._tcp) records do not work with godaddy.com. does anyone have any alternate recommendations? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 1 08:56:02 2007 From: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org (Scott C. Ripley) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:56:02 +0000 Subject: DNS Hosting In-Reply-To: <024301c833e0$2d97e7c0$88c7b740$@com> References: <024301c833e0$2d97e7c0$88c7b740$@com> Message-ID: <200712010856.02922.scott@scottripley.com> http://www.dyndns.org On Saturday 01 December 2007 06:05, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Hello All, I have my domains registered with godaddy.com and I use their > DNS services. It really sucks. Really. For some strange reason my SRV > (_sip._tcp) records do not work with godaddy.com. does anyone have any > alternate recommendations? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 1 14:02:20 2007 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:02:20 -0500 Subject: Recommendation on Barebone kit reseller In-Reply-To: <024201c833df$ef649890$ce2dc9b0$@com> References: <001e01c82de1$f882eac0$e988c040$@com> <61e9e2b10711230952o2111b8e6g8e2fb7d87302c269@mail.gmail.com> <20071123191019.GY1298@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200711231423.11449.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071123195851.GB1298@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <024201c833df$ef649890$ce2dc9b0$@com> Message-ID: <49e826e90712010602y5d9f7593k6eec9b9a72b3c227@mail.gmail.com> Ansar Hi Can you give the contact information of this reseller downtown like his website, email or phone. I think you got a very good deal. Asaf On Dec 1, 2007 1:03 AM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Thanks for the feedback guys. > I ended up buying from a guy off ebay, that turned out to be a reseller > downtown. I got a Dual Core AMD x64 System, 4GB of RAM and a 320GB hd for > 375$. Not bad I think. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- "I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." - Richard P. Feynman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 1 14:28:10 2007 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:28:10 -0500 Subject: OT: WTB Thermalright SK7 heat sinks Message-ID: <20071201142810.GA21258@watson-wilson.ca> I'm looking for two Thermalright SK7 heat sinks. They are out of production and hard to find. Does anyone have any collecting dust that they'd like to unload? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 43 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 1 16:25:13 2007 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:25:13 -0500 Subject: Recommendation on Barebone kit reseller In-Reply-To: <49e826e90712010602y5d9f7593k6eec9b9a72b3c227-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <001e01c82de1$f882eac0$e988c040$@com> <61e9e2b10711230952o2111b8e6g8e2fb7d87302c269@mail.gmail.com> <20071123191019.GY1298@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200711231423.11449.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071123195851.GB1298@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <024201c833df$ef649890$ce2dc9b0$@com> <49e826e90712010602y5d9f7593k6eec9b9a72b3c227@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003a01c83436$c17b9800$4472c800$@com> http://www.etccomputer.ca/eShop/default.asp check out their ebay stuff first, and work your way up in pricing. I find, like with most ebay resellers the cheaper prices are on ebay and their corp website is more expensive. BTW, I did not purchase an optical drive or monitor for my systems, and video, net and sound was integrated. (so I think this price was fair not a *super steal*) From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Asaf Maruf Sent: December 1, 2007 9:02 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Recommendation on Barebone kit reseller Ansar Hi Can you give the contact information of this reseller downtown like his website, email or phone. I think you got a very good deal. Asaf On Dec 1, 2007 1:03 AM, Ansar Mohammed < ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote: Thanks for the feedback guys. I ended up buying from a guy off ebay, that turned out to be a reseller downtown. I got a Dual Core AMD x64 System, 4GB of RAM and a 320GB hd for 375$. Not bad I think. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- "I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." - Richard P. Feynman -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 1 17:28:53 2007 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:28:53 -0500 Subject: soekris n4501 CF images Message-ID: <475199D5.70204@rogers.com> Hey All, recently started playing around with a soekris n4501 (a fun little embedded box http://www.soekris.com/net4501.htm) that I got from my old job. We had it customized a bit (this one has 128MB onboard), and with it I'm using a 256MB CF card. I've also added a Cisco MPI350 mini-pci nic with two external antennas. I've followed a bunch of links off the soekris site, and I've been playing around with stuff like pfsense and m0n0wall. Sadly the box is a little too underpowered to make pfsense tolerable to use, and m0n0 appears not to support the MIP350. I'm forgetting a number of other things I've tried. Can anyone point me in the direction of something I might have forgotten, or have something you've cooked up yourself? Most of all, I'm just looking to get something put together so that I can confirm the wireless is fully functional, that I can at least use it as a client. Though running it as an AP would be cool. Cheers, B -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 1 18:34:45 2007 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:34:45 -0500 Subject: Security considerations for EEE PC In-Reply-To: <20071201044924.GA30445-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20071126054058.GA31703@waltdnes.org> <200711260905.14250.hdevalence@gmail.com> <20071201044924.GA30445@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <200712011334.45623.fraser@wehave.net> On Friday 30 November 2007 23:49:24 Walter Dnes wrote: > What I'm waiting for is the EEE PC 8G model due to show up today. > It'll have a gig of ram and an 8 gig SSD. That would be nice however if you want more you could run out and get a 32GB disk and 1GB of RAM yourself. just open the bottom panel and replace. The current 512MB of RAM seems to be perfectly useable to me, I think I'll eventually find the 4GB disk a little limiting but with the flash slot it shouldn't be any problem to compensate. -- Fraser Campbell Georgetown, Ontario, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 1 18:40:46 2007 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:40:46 -0500 Subject: your chance to buy an HP desktop without MS Windows! In-Reply-To: <20071130143207.GE2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20071130143207.GE2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200712011340.46440.fraser@wehave.net> On Friday 30 November 2007 09:32:07 Lennart Sorensen wrote: > It's still an HP pavilion, which is something I would not want to have > to deal with. My experience over the last few years is that all HP > consumer products are terrible. Yeah, I bought an HP system for my mum. Looked good but keyboard was USB and wouldn't work unless I disabled USB legacy mode in the BIOS. No matter what BIOS USB settings I chose the computer would not recognize USB keys or her digital camera (the kernel wasn't even registering that a device had appeared). I upgraded her recently to 2.6.22 kernel an now all the USB issues seem to be resolved however the issue of BIOS updates is still problematic (windows only). IIIRC I managed to extract a firmware image from the windows executable however I wasn't able to find a flash utility that was willing to function with the board. HP has their act together on the server side of the Linux world but when it comes to consumer products Linux is totally ignored as far as I can tell. I won't make the mistake of buying another HP desktop, either homebuilt or much better researched brandname next time around. -- Fraser Campbell Georgetown, Ontario, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 1 21:29:40 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:29:40 -0500 Subject: Recommendation on Barebone kit reseller In-Reply-To: <024201c833df$ef649890$ce2dc9b0$@com> References: <001e01c82de1$f882eac0$e988c040$@com> <61e9e2b10711230952o2111b8e6g8e2fb7d87302c269@mail.gmail.com> <20071123191019.GY1298@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200711231423.11449.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071123195851.GB1298@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <024201c833df$ef649890$ce2dc9b0$@com> Message-ID: <4751D244.5070303@rogers.com> Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Thanks for the feedback guys. > I ended up buying from a guy off ebay, that turned out to be a reseller > downtown. I got a Dual Core AMD x64 System, 4GB of RAM and a 320GB hd for > 375$. Not bad I think. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > I guess you missed this yesterday. It was $289, as reported here. http://www.canadacomputers.com/main.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=016399&cid=170.45 -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 1 23:15:20 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:15:20 -0500 Subject: Security considerations for EEE PC In-Reply-To: <200712011334.45623.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <20071126054058.GA31703@waltdnes.org> <200711260905.14250.hdevalence@gmail.com> <20071201044924.GA30445@waltdnes.org> <200712011334.45623.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <20071201231520.GA3058@waltdnes.org> On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 01:34:45PM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote > On Friday 30 November 2007 23:49:24 Walter Dnes wrote: > > > What I'm waiting for is the EEE PC 8G model due to show up today. > > It'll have a gig of ram and an 8 gig SSD. > > That would be nice however if you want more you could run out and > get a 32GB disk and 1GB of RAM yourself. just open the bottom panel > and replace. Yeah, but, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC says... > A "warranty void if seal broken" sticker covers the RAM access panel > on the upgradeable models, forcing the owner to void the warranty > if they attempt to open the access port to the upgradeable RAM > slot. Asus Support have insisted that because the Eee PC is not > considered by them as a laptop computer, rather an 'appliance', it > will not be covered by their usual computer warranty policies. However > such warranty tie-in tactics were made illegal in the United States > by the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, and similar laws exist in other > jurisdictions. The pre-installed Xandros operating system has also > been configured to limit the detected RAM size to 1GB, although this > is adjustable by an experienced user, Windows XP installations have a > 4GB for limit which is higher than the hardware limit of the notebook. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 1 23:51:01 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:51:01 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu Message-ID: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> The primary hard drive on my production computer died. Yeah, the one a few of you helped me to install gtkpod (and other things) onto. I've already installed ubuntu onto my daughter's machine. Since it's her iPod (which I gave to her last week) I thought I'd install gtkpod onto her own computer so she can use it. I installed gtkpod with apt-get install gtkpod. I guess that's what we use on the debian side of things. [Now that I've been finally talked into trying a debian-type OS I've been informed 'Ubuntu is not Debian'.] Sigh. I digress. Another reason I want to get gtkpod going on the ubuntu machine is that if I like ubuntu then I'll just install that on the new hard drive I got for my production machine. That will get me out of the rpm-based distros (on half of our computers anyway). The ubuntu computer sees the iPod and mounts it on /dev/sdb1 gtpod installed okay and sees the songs on the iPod. However, trying to add a song from the hard drive, I hit 'Save Changes' and it fails on the conversion (from .ogg to .mp3). I don't know whether I'm supposed to go through the whole svn installation of libgpod (and the other stuff that I did that I can't retrace until I re-install Thunderbird on and load the saved mail file from backup) or if the process will be different on ubuntu. Any ideas for first steps would be appreciated. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 2 00:11:29 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:11:29 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071201235101.7416.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20071201191129.2cb14524@node1.freeyourmachine.org> chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > The primary hard drive on my production computer died. Yeah, the one a few > of you helped me to install gtkpod (and other things) onto. I've already > installed ubuntu onto my daughter's machine. Since it's her iPod (which I > gave to her last week) I thought I'd install gtkpod onto her own computer so > she can use it. I installed gtkpod with apt-get install gtkpod. I guess > that's what we use on the debian side of things. [Now that I've been finally > talked into trying a debian-type OS I've been informed 'Ubuntu is not > Debian'.] Sigh. I digress. Another reason I want to get gtkpod going on the > ubuntu machine is that if I like ubuntu then I'll just install that on the > new hard drive I got for my production machine. That will get me out of the > rpm-based distros (on half of our computers anyway). > > The ubuntu computer sees the iPod and mounts it on /dev/sdb1 > > gtpod installed okay and sees the songs on the iPod. However, trying to add > a song from the hard drive, I hit 'Save Changes' and it fails on the > conversion (from .ogg to .mp3). > > I don't know whether I'm supposed to go through the whole svn installation > of libgpod (and the other stuff that I did that I can't retrace until I > re-install Thunderbird on and load the saved mail file from backup) or if > the process will be different on ubuntu. > > Any ideas for first steps would be appreciated. I checked on my Ubuntu 7.10 machine and by default the version available for libgpod (which gtkpod uses to read and write to the iPod) is 0.5.2. You need 0.6.0. I would first check around for Ubuntu packages for the latest gtkpod andl libgpod, I'm sure some of the more experienced Ubuntu users on here would know how to add repositories for 'testing' packages, which is where new gtkpod and libgpod should be (I think). Alternatively, it is a lot easier to build source or svn on Debian/Ubuntu. You can do 'apt-get build-dep libgpod' and same for gtkpod to get everything you need instead of hunting around at random like we were doing before for dependencies. Check on the Ubuntu forums for mentions of 'libgpod', guaranteed someone has either build packages for Gutsy or done a detailed howto. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "Are you all right?" -Leela "Ah, it's nothing a a law suit won't cure." -Bender -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I guess that's what we use on the debian side > of things. [Now that I've been finally talked into trying a > debian-type OS I've been informed 'Ubuntu is not Debian'.] Sigh. I > digress. Another reason I want to get gtkpod going on the ubuntu > machine is that if I like ubuntu then I'll just install that on the > new hard drive I got for my production machine. That will get me out > of the rpm-based distros (on half of our computers anyway). > > The ubuntu computer sees the iPod and mounts it on /dev/sdb1 > > gtpod installed okay and sees the songs on the iPod. However, trying > to add a song from the hard drive, I hit 'Save Changes' and it fails > on the conversion (from .ogg to .mp3). > > I don't know whether I'm supposed to go through the whole svn > installation of libgpod (and the other stuff that I did that I can't > retrace until I re-install Thunderbird on and load the saved mail > file from backup) or if the process will be different on ubuntu. > > Any ideas for first steps would be appreciated. Do you have the universe and multiverse repositories enabled? You'll need those for the liblame and lame packages. It could be that the conversion fails if liblame isn't installed to do the transcoding. I'd check that first, then take a look for .deb files and a howto on the ubuntu forums. Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 2 03:02:38 2007 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:02:38 -0500 Subject: DNS Hosting In-Reply-To: <200712010856.02922.scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg@public.gmane.org> References: <024301c833e0$2d97e7c0$88c7b740$@com> <200712010856.02922.scott@scottripley.com> Message-ID: <00da01c8348f$cebfe7b0$6c3fb710$@com> So eventually I setup my own DNS server based on BIND 9.3.x. I went to this website http://www.efball.com/dns/ that lists free secondaries. I tried out one of them and it works great. I set the official ns record of the zone to their servers and they do zone transfers from my BIND 9.3.x. No problems anymore with srv records! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Scott > C. Ripley > Sent: December 1, 2007 3:56 AM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: DNS Hosting > > > http://www.dyndns.org > > On Saturday 01 December 2007 06:05, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > > Hello All, I have my domains registered with godaddy.com and I use > their > > DNS services. It really sucks. Really. For some strange reason my SRV > > (_sip._tcp) records do not work with godaddy.com. does anyone have > any > > alternate recommendations? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 2 23:38:30 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 18:38:30 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071201235101.7416.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > I don't know whether I'm supposed to go through the whole svn installation > of libgpod (and the other stuff that I did that I can't retrace until I > re-install Thunderbird on and load the saved mail file from backup) or if > the process will be different on ubuntu. Told ya it wouldn't be long, just saw this on #gtkpod :-) Add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ipod-touch/ubuntu gutsy main then: sudo apt-get update then install libgpod3 and gtkpod, you should be golden. Looks like there are also updated packages for Amarok (yuk) and Rhythmbox (not as yuk). -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: I ain't your loverboy Flexo, the guy you love so much. You even love anybody pretending to be him! Angleyne: Well, maybe I love you so much I love you no matter who you're pretending to be. Bender: Oh, how I wish I could believe or understand that. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thought I would test this on my Ubuntu system and it's kinda weird. I did and apt-get install gtkpod, but it did not pull down libgpod3 automatically, even though the version on the PPA I linked to says it depends on libgpod3 (has to if it supports new Classic/Nano iPods). I know this PPA is enabled, because if I specifically do an apt-get install libgpod3, it works fine. When I do the same for gtkpod, it gets the old version, not the one I want. The one thing I notice is that the version from ubuntu.com is 0.99.10-2, the version I want is 0.99.10-2~ppa1. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "I refuse to fight! I'm a concientious objector." -Bender "A what?" -Fry "You know, a coward." -Bender -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 3 01:16:02 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:16:02 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071202185358.3a88779a-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071202185358.3a88779a@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20071203011602.26662.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> JoeHill writes: > JoeHill wrote: > >> chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> >> > I don't know whether I'm supposed to go through the whole svn installation >> > of libgpod (and the other stuff that I did that I can't retrace until I >> > re-install Thunderbird on and load the saved mail file from backup) or if >> > the process will be different on ubuntu. >> >> Told ya it wouldn't be long, just saw this on #gtkpod :-) >> >> Add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list: >> >> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ipod-touch/ubuntu gutsy main >> >> then: >> >> sudo apt-get update >> >> then install libgpod3 and gtkpod > > ...maybe Jamon can shed some light on this. Thought I would test this on my > Ubuntu system and it's kinda weird. I did and apt-get install gtkpod, but it > did not pull down libgpod3 automatically, even though the version on the PPA I > linked to says it depends on libgpod3 (has to if it supports new Classic/Nano > iPods). > > I know this PPA is enabled, because if I specifically do an apt-get install > libgpod3, it works fine. When I do the same for gtkpod, it gets the old > version, not the one I want. The one thing I notice is that the version from > ubuntu.com is 0.99.10-2, the version I want is 0.99.10-2~ppa1. Okay. I'll wait for more information before doing anything else (the line between troubleshooting and thrashing about is fine, for me). I tried all your steps and like you, got gtkpod 0.99.10-2, not 0.99.10-2~ppa1. I fired up gtkpod and tried to an Add File and a Save Changes and got the message: Conversion of 'Track 2' failed: '/usr/share/gtkpod/scripts/convert-ogg2mp3.sh' returned exit status 4. Chris > > -- > JoeHill -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 3 01:23:49 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 20:23:49 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071203010317.9492.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071203010317.9492.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20071202202349.7f3cfab3@node1.freeyourmachine.org> chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > JoeHill writes: > > > chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > >> I don't know whether I'm supposed to go through the whole svn installation > >> of libgpod (and the other stuff that I did that I can't retrace until I > >> re-install Thunderbird on and load the saved mail file from backup) or if > >> the process will be different on ubuntu. > > > > Told ya it wouldn't be long, just saw this on #gtkpod :-) > > Yeah - I remember your prediction. > > > > Add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list: > > > > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ipod-touch/ubuntu gutsy main > > Shouldn't that be... > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ipod-nano/ubuntu gutsy main > ? No, that's just the name the directory was given because it contains other things necessary to get the iPod Touch to work (we have it easy, lemme tell ya). The only ones you need are the libgpod and gtkpod packages. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: Fry, of all the friends I've had, you're the first. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thought I would test > > this on my Ubuntu system and it's kinda weird. I did and apt-get > > install gtkpod, but it did not pull down libgpod3 automatically, > > even though the version on the PPA I linked to says it depends on > > libgpod3 (has to if it supports new Classic/Nano iPods). > > > > I know this PPA is enabled, because if I specifically do an apt-get > > install libgpod3, it works fine. When I do the same for gtkpod, it > > gets the old version, not the one I want. The one thing I notice is > > that the version from ubuntu.com is 0.99.10-2, the version I want > > is 0.99.10-2~ppa1. > > Okay. I'll wait for more information before doing anything else (the > line between troubleshooting and thrashing about is fine, for me). I > tried all your steps and like you, got gtkpod 0.99.10-2, not > 0.99.10-2~ppa1. I fired up gtkpod and tried to an Add File and a Save > Changes and got the message: > > Conversion of 'Track 2' failed: > '/usr/share/gtkpod/scripts/convert-ogg2mp3.sh' returned exit status > 4. Here's the relevant part of that script, starting at line 19: # Return Codes: # 0 ok # 1 input file not found # 2 output file cannot be created # 3 cannot get info # 4 cannot exec decoding # 5 cannot exec encoding # 6 conversion failed # 7 unknown option Moving to line 76 I see this: # Check for the existence of oggdec oggdec=`which oggdec` if [ -z "$oggdec" ]; then exit 4 fi # Check for the existence of lame lame=`which lame` if [ -z "$lame" ]; then exit 5 fi So you'll need to have the vorbis-tools packages installed (for decoding and encoding oggs) and (preemptively if you don't already) lame/liblame for decoding/encoding mp3s. Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I wouldn't try to install core system things which may be different between Debian and Ubuntu, but installing something like a newer version of Pidgin probably wouldn't hurt. This will help you to figure out adding keys and such so that apt-get doesn't complaint to you about ubtrusted sources. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu Also realize (I don't think that the wiki mentions it) that -- if you are directly editing the /etc/apt/sources.list -- there is a directory /etc/apt/sources.d (IIRC) where you can add separate files for each new repository. This way you don't have to keep adding new repositories to the sources.list file cluttering it up. I think there must also be a better reason for separating them into their own files too, but I can't think of/remember it right now. But the sources.list can get quite cluttered when you are trying to install the latest version of this or that app, because lots of developers keep repositories that only contain an app or two that they are working on. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 3 13:09:39 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:09:39 -0500 Subject: Security considerations for EEE PC In-Reply-To: <200712011334.45623.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <20071126054058.GA31703@waltdnes.org> <200711260905.14250.hdevalence@gmail.com> <20071201044924.GA30445@waltdnes.org> <200712011334.45623.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <473c25250712030509q39553c8ep36a3da7ba5bd3b46@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/07, Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Friday 30 November 2007 23:49:24 Walter Dnes wrote: > > > What I'm waiting for is the EEE PC 8G model due to show up today. > > It'll have a gig of ram and an 8 gig SSD. > > That would be nice however if you want more you could run out and get a 32GB > disk and 1GB of RAM yourself. just open the bottom panel and replace. > > The current 512MB of RAM seems to be perfectly useable to me, I think I'll > eventually find the 4GB disk a little limiting but with the flash slot it > shouldn't be any problem to compensate. > > -- > Fraser Campbell > Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Especially since they now have 16GB SD Cards. You can pick one up and that's 16GB to the system through the SD slot on the side. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 3 13:13:05 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:13:05 -0500 Subject: soekris n4501 CF images In-Reply-To: <475199D5.70204-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <475199D5.70204@rogers.com> Message-ID: <473c25250712030513j6be3c983r5711b625b2315f97@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/07, Byron Sonne wrote: > Hey All, recently started playing around with a soekris n4501 (a fun > little embedded box http://www.soekris.com/net4501.htm) that I got from > my old job. We had it customized a bit (this one has 128MB onboard), and > with it I'm using a 256MB CF card. I've also added a Cisco MPI350 > mini-pci nic with two external antennas. > > I've followed a bunch of links off the soekris site, and I've been > playing around with stuff like pfsense and m0n0wall. Sadly the box is a > little too underpowered to make pfsense tolerable to use, and m0n0 > appears not to support the MIP350. I'm forgetting a number of other > things I've tried. > > Can anyone point me in the direction of something I might have > forgotten, or have something you've cooked up yourself? Most of all, I'm > just looking to get something put together so that I can confirm the > wireless is fully functional, that I can at least use it as a client. > Though running it as an AP would be cool. > > Cheers, > B Are you looking for software for that hardware? Or are you looking for suggestions on similar hardware that will run that software? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 3 14:26:02 2007 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:26:02 +0300 Subject: Apache::ASP - How is it? Message-ID: Hi there, I have taken sometime googling on how best to run asp scripts on apache, and it seems there are two ways of doing it - apache::ASP or chillisoft. I am looking at a way where I can be able to migrate any existing Window based website to apache on Redhat 4. Does anyone here have experience on the subject and therefore in position to give an opinion on the best alternative to take? In another word, what differentiate the two alternatives above? Is there any other alternative I could have overlooked? Thanks in advance Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 3 15:29:07 2007 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:29:07 -0500 Subject: Tracking HD activity In-Reply-To: <7ac602420711131242o702f10e4scd5bb174a1b76757-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280711130735w783f0081r76aafa0f8d98376c@mail.gmail.com> <20071113203019.GF1298@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <7ac602420711131242o702f10e4scd5bb174a1b76757@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280712030729x44349bbfvb5886116d6a1167e@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 13, 2007 3:42 PM, Ian Petersen wrote: > On Nov 13, 2007 3:30 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Could be gnome or kde running some volume manager or mount deamon > > polling the cd/dvd for inserted disks every second. That would make the > > light flash. After all the light doesn't mean hard disk activity, but > > rather disk controller activity. > > I think the HAL does that. I discovered this little tidbit about the > HAL when running powertop. There's a way to turn it off, but I forget > what the command is. If you run powertop, and if that's the source of > the activity, then powertop will tell you how to stop it. I think the > instructions are also available here: > http://www.lesswatts.org/tips/disks.php Thanks to everyone who had suggestions on this one, and particularly to Ian because HAL was it: I killed HAL entirely, and strangely, that caused my HDs to have I/O errors and not work at all (but the light stopped flashing) ... So I rebooted and ran the command # hal-disable-polling --device /dev/hdX for each of the removable media drives, and voila! Flashing light went away. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 3 15:35:42 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:35:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: DemoCamp 16, Dec. 3rd. 5:00 PM Message-ID: <977882.89102.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just a quick note, this evening (Dec 3rd) there will a Toronto DemoCamp at the Toronto Board of Trade Offices starting at 5:00 PM. Tickets are can be obtained for free (they are looking for some money to cover costs, so there is the option of paying for a ticket, but that is optional). Tickets must be ordered on-line in advance of the event. Exact location and ticket ordering info. can be seen here: http://democamp.eventbrite.com/ For those who don't know about DemoCamp, it is a series of short technology demonstrations (usually web related) that can make for an interesting educational evening. Hope to see some of GTALug folks there... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 3 17:14:42 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:14:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Nokia N800 Internet tablet on sale at Dell In-Reply-To: References: <20071008221151.GA23145@amtoo.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Well, they dropped again. $200 + tax, free shipping, today only. I just ordered one, even though I already have an Nokia 770. http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=521878 Even though I'm against top-posting, here I am doing it. I thought that you might be interested in the recent history of this device at Dell. The lowest price that I've noticed has been US$200 at buy.com about a month ago. So this Dell price may be as good as it gets. Or it may not be. | Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:26:21 -0400 (EDT) | From: D. Hugh Redelmeier | To: Toronto Linux Users Group , | Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Nokia N800 Internet tablet on sale at Dell | | | Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:11:51 -0400 | | From: Peter King | | | | On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:22:20PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | | | | > Today, and perhaps today only (I cannot tell for sure), Dell is selling it | | > for $349, including shipping. It is one of their secondary items on | | > today's installment of their 10 days of deals: | | | | I ordered one, and at the last stage it said that this offer expires | | October 9th. So, today only. Act accordingly. | | Now they are down to $297.00 at Dell.ca (US$249 at Dell.com). I | wonder if you can get a credit from them. Probably not :-( | | The reason is that the N810 has been announced (for November | delivery?). Sounds nice: it adds GPS and a built-in keyboard. | | http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=507075 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 3 17:57:07 2007 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:57:07 -0500 Subject: soekris n4501 CF images In-Reply-To: <473c25250712030513j6be3c983r5711b625b2315f97-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <475199D5.70204@rogers.com> <473c25250712030513j6be3c983r5711b625b2315f97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47544373.1050305@rogers.com> Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > Are you looking for software for that hardware? Software, SVP - I can't afford new hardware :) I suppose I should just man up and learn to roll my own and PXE boot it or whatever the kids are doing nowadays. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 3 18:40:29 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:40:29 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071202185358.3a88779a-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071202185358.3a88779a@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20071203184029.GG2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 06:53:58PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > ...maybe Jamon can shed some light on this. Thought I would test this on my > Ubuntu system and it's kinda weird. I did and apt-get install gtkpod, but it > did not pull down libgpod3 automatically, even though the version on the PPA I > linked to says it depends on libgpod3 (has to if it supports new Classic/Nano > iPods). > > I know this PPA is enabled, because if I specifically do an apt-get install > libgpod3, it works fine. When I do the same for gtkpod, it gets the old > version, not the one I want. The one thing I notice is that the version from > ubuntu.com is 0.99.10-2, the version I want is 0.99.10-2~ppa1. ~ is used in the version number of experimental packages, and the system will never automatically install one. You have to explicitly ask for it to get it. Try: apt-get install gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1 -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 3 18:45:43 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:45:43 -0500 Subject: soekris n4501 CF images In-Reply-To: <47544373.1050305-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <475199D5.70204@rogers.com> <473c25250712030513j6be3c983r5711b625b2315f97@mail.gmail.com> <47544373.1050305@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20071203184543.GH2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 12:57:07PM -0500, Byron Sonne wrote: > Software, SVP - I can't afford new hardware :) > > I suppose I should just man up and learn to roll my own and PXE boot it > or whatever the kids are doing nowadays. PXE is x86 world only as far as I know. Everyone else was just fine with bootp/tftp boot. Of course it appears the soekris is in fact x86 and does in fact PXE boot. Here is a howto for installing Debian onto one of the soekris models. Usually a good place to start. http://roland.entierement.nu/pages/debian-on-soekris-howto.html If you have a wireless card that has linux support you should even be able to get that part working. I didn't know Cisco made wireless cards for PCs, but you learn something new every day I guess. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 3 19:01:06 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:01:06 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071203184029.GG2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071202185358.3a88779a@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071203184029.GG2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20071203140106.0e68babb@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 06:53:58PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > > ...maybe Jamon can shed some light on this. Thought I would test this on my > > Ubuntu system and it's kinda weird. I did and apt-get install gtkpod, but it > > did not pull down libgpod3 automatically, even though the version on the > > PPA I linked to says it depends on libgpod3 (has to if it supports new > > Classic/Nano iPods). > > > > I know this PPA is enabled, because if I specifically do an apt-get install > > libgpod3, it works fine. When I do the same for gtkpod, it gets the old > > version, not the one I want. The one thing I notice is that the version from > > ubuntu.com is 0.99.10-2, the version I want is 0.99.10-2~ppa1. > > ~ is used in the version number of experimental packages, and the system > will never automatically install one. You have to explicitly ask for it > to get it. > > Try: apt-get install gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1 You are, as usual, correct sir. That worked for me :-) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: I don't know why, but when I look down at their little faces it makes me want to puke... in a good way. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 3 19:57:45 2007 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:57:45 -0500 Subject: Can't Use Linux on TSN Message-ID: <47545FB9.3000100@golden.net> Well I thought I would check out TSN's broadband connection on their site and was greeted with this message. Really disappointing. Sorry, your OS is not supported! We recommend Windows 2000, Windows XP, or Mac OS X. I sent a message asking why they were blocking Linux users. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 3 20:21:43 2007 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:21:43 -0500 Subject: Can't Use Linux on TSN In-Reply-To: <47545FB9.3000100-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <47545FB9.3000100@golden.net> Message-ID: <47546557.9060207@rogers.com> John Myshrall wrote: > Well I thought I would check out TSN's broadband connection on their > site and was greeted with this message. Really disappointing. > > Sorry, your OS is not supported! > We recommend Windows 2000, Windows XP, or Mac OS X. > > I sent a message asking why they were blocking Linux users. > John DRM issues, perhaps? Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 3 20:54:14 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 15:54:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Can't Use Linux on TSN In-Reply-To: <47546557.9060207-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47546557.9060207@rogers.com> Message-ID: <146770.83794.qm@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Stephen wrote: > John Myshrall wrote: > > Well I thought I would check out TSN's broadband > connection on their > > site and was greeted with this message. Really > disappointing. > > > > Sorry, your OS is not supported! > > We recommend Windows 2000, Windows XP, or Mac OS > X. > > > > I sent a message asking why they were blocking > Linux users. > > John > DRM issues, perhaps? Hanlon's razor : ?Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.? Lazy web page developers is the most likely explanation. "Easy" enough answer with Iceweasel/Firefox is to type: about:config This will get you a list of Iceweasel/Firefox internal settings. You want to add a new setting: general.useragent.override Type is "string" and the value, well, there are obviously several that should past muster for that website... :-) . Colin McGregor > Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 3 21:31:53 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:31:53 -0500 Subject: Can't Use Linux on TSN Message-ID: <475475C9.8020003@rogers.com> > Well I thought I would check out TSN's broadband connection on their > site and was greeted with this message. Really disappointing. > > Sorry, your OS is not supported! > We recommend Windows 2000, Windows XP, or Mac OS X. > > I sent a message asking why they were blocking Linux users. I checked the site using WinXP and it requires installation of an ActiveX applet. Hardly surprising since TSN is owned by BellGlobe Media (which is heavily in bed with Microsoft). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 00:02:25 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:02:25 -0500 Subject: Can't Use Linux on TSN In-Reply-To: <47545FB9.3000100-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <47545FB9.3000100@golden.net> Message-ID: <20071204000225.GI2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 02:57:45PM -0500, John Myshrall wrote: > Well I thought I would check out TSN's broadband connection on their > site and was greeted with this message. Really disappointing. > > Sorry, your OS is not supported! > We recommend Windows 2000, Windows XP, or Mac OS X. > > I sent a message asking why they were blocking Linux users. The discoverychannel canada is just as bad. Even with the user agent faked, you only get slightly further, being told that you should upgrade to flash 8 or higher, which is odd since I have flash 9 installed and all other web sites seem perfectly able to detect that. Apparently the goofballs at CTV just don't know anything about coding web pages. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 00:03:46 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:03:46 -0500 Subject: Can't Use Linux on TSN In-Reply-To: <146770.83794.qm-XddnEKhDJlqB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <47546557.9060207@rogers.com> <146770.83794.qm@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071204000346.GJ2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 03:54:14PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > Hanlon's razor : > > ?Never attribute to malice that which can be > adequately explained by stupidity.? > > Lazy web page developers is the most likely > explanation. "Easy" enough answer with > Iceweasel/Firefox is to type: > > about:config > > This will get you a list of Iceweasel/Firefox internal > settings. You want to add a new setting: > > general.useragent.override > > Type is "string" and the value, well, there are > obviously several that should past muster for that > website... :-) . Tried that, then it tells you to upgrade to flash 8 or higher (and I already have version 9 installed and "working"). I use user-agent-switcher instead of setting the general.useragent.override, since setting that breaks other properly coded pages (like gmail and such). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 01:00:14 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:00:14 -0500 Subject: Bad news about ASUS EEE mini-PCIE connector Message-ID: <20071204010014.GA15915@waltdnes.org> ...or lack thereof. A bit of a firestorm at the EeeUser forum http://forum.eeeuser.com/ 1) ASUS is now shipping EEE's *WITHOUT* the mini-PCIE connector 2) If you got one *WITH* the mini-PCIE connector, attaching any peripheral to the connector disables the built-in SSD (Solid State Drive) This looks like a bug in the circuitry. I think that ASUS is simply trying to avoid legal problems here. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 01:27:11 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:27:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Phisher of the Week Message-ID: <4749.99.232.68.237.1196731631.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Confirm Yout Account Dear PayPal ? valued member, (etc, etc) -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 02:58:57 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:58:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Phisher of the Week In-Reply-To: <4749.99.232.68.237.1196731631.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <4749.99.232.68.237.1196731631.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <118205.42644.qm@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Confirm Yout Account > > Dear PayPal ? valued member, (etc, etc) Ah, boring spam, the stuff I seem to get dozens of a day... That along with the lottery "wins", OEM software and drug spam seem to make up 90+% percent of the spam I see. Who has actually seen some (almost) interesting spam recently? I have recently seen two almost interesting spams. One was a weight loss drug spam that came with a image of an attractive bathing suit wearing woman. Given the recent weather :-( , the background behind the woman was almost as attractive as she was... The other almost interesting spam was for a rubber sex toy ... spam can get kinky and seriously weird if someone thinks they can make some $$$ . Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 03:29:43 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:29:43 -0500 Subject: Phisher of the Week In-Reply-To: <118205.42644.qm-2K+iNxKRQwOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <4749.99.232.68.237.1196731631.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <118205.42644.qm@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0712031929i4fb77961g1e0659cd56205cb4@mail.gmail.com> I've been getting a lot of "enlargement" spams lately (no, it's not targetted advertising!). Some of the the captions are quite amusing though. I think the most recent was: Turn your trouser snake into an anaconda or something like that. On Dec 3, 2007 9:58 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > --- phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Confirm Yout Account > > > > Dear PayPal (R) valued member, (etc, etc) > > Ah, boring spam, the stuff I seem to get dozens of a > day... That along with the lottery "wins", OEM > software and drug spam seem to make up 90+% percent of > the spam I see. > > Who has actually seen some (almost) interesting spam > recently? I have recently seen two almost interesting > spams. One was a weight loss drug spam that came with > a image of an attractive bathing suit wearing woman. > Given the recent weather :-( , the background behind > the woman was almost as attractive as she was... The > other almost interesting spam was for a rubber sex toy > ... spam can get kinky and seriously weird if someone > thinks they can make some $$$ . > > Colin McGregor > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 477-1784 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 03:57:23 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:57:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: Phisher of the Week In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0712031929i4fb77961g1e0659cd56205cb4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0712031929i4fb77961g1e0659cd56205cb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <601152.10439.qm@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Tyler Aviss wrote: > I've been getting a lot of "enlargement" spams > lately (no, it's not > targetted advertising!). Some of the the captions > are quite amusing > though. I think the most recent was: > Turn your trouser snake into an anaconda > > or something like that. Okay... A while back I got a spam which claimed the product on offer would give me head turning breasts... They seemed to think that a selling point... Now if I ever had real breasts they would be head turning in ways that would not be good :-) . I do laugh at the breast enlargement spams (and I don't see many of them). Still, I do wonder about women's reaction to the recent tidal wave of male enlargement spams... Colin McGregor > On Dec 3, 2007 9:58 PM, Colin McGregor > wrote: > > --- phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > Confirm Yout Account > > > > > > Dear PayPal (R) valued member, (etc, etc) > > > > Ah, boring spam, the stuff I seem to get dozens of > a > > day... That along with the lottery "wins", OEM > > software and drug spam seem to make up 90+% > percent of > > the spam I see. > > > > Who has actually seen some (almost) interesting > spam > > recently? I have recently seen two almost > interesting > > spams. One was a weight loss drug spam that came > with > > a image of an attractive bathing suit wearing > woman. > > Given the recent weather :-( , the background > behind > > the woman was almost as attractive as she was... > The > > other almost interesting spam was for a rubber sex > toy > > ... spam can get kinky and seriously weird if > someone > > thinks they can make some $$$ . > > > > Colin McGregor > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2 > (647) 477-1784 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 04:08:50 2007 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:08:50 -0500 Subject: Phisher of the Week In-Reply-To: <118205.42644.qm-2K+iNxKRQwOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <118205.42644.qm@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200712032308.51068.glayng@sympatico.ca> I had a spam that advised me that now that I had a new big bed, I needed a new big penis to go with it. Unfortunately for the spammer, I last bought a new bed well over a decade ago. One day many years ago, my then 17-year-old nephew came down after checking his e-mail: he had an offer to enlarge his breasts. His 15-year-old sister, upstairs checking her e-mail, heard him and advised us she just received an offer to enlarge her penis. That spammer had a lot to learn about anatomy. ^_^ On Monday 03 December 2007 21:58, Colin McGregor wrote: > --- phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Confirm Yout Account > > > > Dear PayPal ? valued member, (etc, etc) > > Ah, boring spam, the stuff I seem to get dozens of a > day... That along with the lottery "wins", OEM > software and drug spam seem to make up 90+% percent of > the spam I see. > > Who has actually seen some (almost) interesting spam > recently? I have recently seen two almost interesting > spams. One was a weight loss drug spam that came with > a image of an attractive bathing suit wearing woman. > Given the recent weather :-( , the background behind > the woman was almost as attractive as she was... The > other almost interesting spam was for a rubber sex toy > ... spam can get kinky and seriously weird if someone > thinks they can make some $$$ . > > Colin McGregor > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- there's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 04:45:32 2007 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:45:32 -0500 Subject: Apache::ASP - How is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200712032345.32496.amarjan@pobox.com> On December 3, 2007 09:26:02 am Kihara Muriithi wrote: > Hi there, > > I have taken sometime googling on how best to run asp scripts on > apache, and it seems there are two ways of doing it - apache::ASP or > chillisoft. I am looking at a way where I can be able to migrate any > existing Window based website to apache on Redhat 4. > > Does anyone here have experience on the subject and therefore in > position to give an opinion on the best alternative to take? In > another word, what differentiate the two alternatives above? Is there > any other alternative I could have overlooked? apache::ASP only works for ASP pages written in Perl that don't use any COM components, a tiny minority. It works, conceptually, by providing an ASP/Perl to Perl compiler and implementations for the built-in ASP objects (Request, Response, etc.), which it runs on mod_perl IIRC. I don't remember if it also fakes up ADO. It won't work for the vast majority of ASP code written in vbscript (and to a lesser extent, jscript) and which makes heavy use of COM components. The Chilisoft feature list suggests that it would be sufficient for most ASP code: - support for vbscript and jscript - common COM libraries like data access and (an old version of) XML) If your apps use many third party COM libraries, though, you're probably stuck with Windows without some substantial porting efforts (e.g. via chilisoft's COM/Java bridge). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 07:22:48 2007 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:22:48 +0300 Subject: Apache::ASP - How is it? In-Reply-To: <200712032345.32496.amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200712032345.32496.amarjan@pobox.com> Message-ID: Marjan, Cool thank you. Looks like we will have to buy chillisoft then. That way, there will be less problems migrating sites hopefully. Still wonder if there is other solutions out there. Would be willing to look at a couple before finally committing to one of the solution Regards, William On 04/12/2007, Andrej Marjan wrote: > On December 3, 2007 09:26:02 am Kihara Muriithi wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I have taken sometime googling on how best to run asp scripts on > > apache, and it seems there are two ways of doing it - apache::ASP or > > chillisoft. I am looking at a way where I can be able to migrate any > > existing Window based website to apache on Redhat 4. > > > > Does anyone here have experience on the subject and therefore in > > position to give an opinion on the best alternative to take? In > > another word, what differentiate the two alternatives above? Is there > > any other alternative I could have overlooked? > > apache::ASP only works for ASP pages written in Perl that don't use any COM > components, a tiny minority. It works, conceptually, by providing an ASP/Perl > to Perl compiler and implementations for the built-in ASP objects (Request, > Response, etc.), which it runs on mod_perl IIRC. I don't remember if it also > fakes up ADO. > > It won't work for the vast majority of ASP code written in vbscript (and to a > lesser extent, jscript) and which makes heavy use of COM components. > > The Chilisoft feature list suggests that it would be sufficient for most ASP > code: > > - support for vbscript and jscript > - common COM libraries like data access and (an old version of) XML) > > If your apps use many third party COM libraries, though, you're probably stuck > with Windows without some substantial porting efforts (e.g. via chilisoft's > COM/Java bridge). > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 12:49:08 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:49:08 -0500 Subject: Can't Use Linux on TSN In-Reply-To: <47545FB9.3000100-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <47545FB9.3000100@golden.net> Message-ID: <473c25250712040449q2a204023g3555d73b7c006863@mail.gmail.com> On 12/3/07, John Myshrall wrote: > Well I thought I would check out TSN's broadband connection on their > site and was greeted with this message. Really disappointing. > > Sorry, your OS is not supported! > We recommend Windows 2000, Windows XP, or Mac OS X. > > I sent a message asking why they were blocking Linux users. > > John > The odd thing about that is Mac OS X. On OS X you have a choice of Firefox or Safari (or another browser running on Webkit like OmniWeb or Shiira). Does it work in Konquerer seeing as that is basically the same engine as Safari? I wonder if it would work in Firefox on Mac OS X but not Firefox on Linux. My other thought is that it could be that they don't "support linux" on their broadband connections, however stupid that is. They may be trying to 'shutout' linux users at the door by not even letting them browse their broadband packages. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 16:30:47 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:30:47 -0500 Subject: thunderbird point to saved mail file Message-ID: <20071204163047.28546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> I had a my main hard drive on my main system go south. I'm going to be soliciting help with a backup system design. In the meantime I want to use my saved thunderbird mail file on my wife's machine. I am doing a yum install thunderbird right now. When thunderbird is installed and I fire it up, does anyone have any advice so that I can point to my saved mail file before thunderbird goes ahead and makes its own default one? I don't want the confusion of unneeded mail files. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 16:47:42 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:47:42 -0500 Subject: thunderbird point to saved mail file In-Reply-To: <20071204163047.28546.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20071204163047.28546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <200712041147.56499.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On December 4, 2007 11:30:47 am chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > I had a my main hard drive on my main system go south. I'm going to > be soliciting help with a backup system design. In the meantime I > want to use my saved thunderbird mail file on my wife's machine. I am > doing a yum install thunderbird right now. When thunderbird is > installed and I fire it up, does anyone have any advice so that I can > point to my saved mail file before thunderbird goes ahead and makes > its own default one? I don't want the confusion of unneeded mail > files. It should be in ~/.mozilla-thunderbird or ~/.thunderbird (I don't recall how Fedora does it), you can copy the entire directory into place on the new machine. Make sure on the new machine that you've removed the existing .mozilla-thunderbird or .thunderbird directory so you don't get conflicting mailboxes. For reference, Ubuntu uses .mozilla-thunderbird, as does Debian (even for Icedove, the unbranded Thunderbird). So if Fedora is using .thunderbird, you'll copy that into .mozilla-thunderbird on the new Ubuntu machine (if that's what you're using). Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 16:48:15 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:48:15 -0500 Subject: thunderbird point to saved mail file In-Reply-To: <20071204163047.28546.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20071204163047.28546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20071204164815.GK2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 11:30:47AM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > I had a my main hard drive on my main system go south. I'm going to be > soliciting help with a backup system design. In the meantime I want to use > my saved thunderbird mail file on my wife's machine. I am doing a yum > install thunderbird right now. When thunderbird is installed and I fire it > up, does anyone have any advice so that I can point to my saved mail file > before thunderbird goes ahead and makes its own default one? I don't want > the confusion of unneeded mail files. Well when you fix your machine, make sure you use at least software raid1. Drives fail, but they are also amazingly cheap, and raid1 saves you a lot of hazzle when a drive does fail. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 16:51:12 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:51:12 -0500 Subject: thunderbird point to saved mail file In-Reply-To: <20071204163047.28546.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20071204163047.28546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0712040851v6ddd5d09nf81542a9fdb55579@mail.gmail.com> Thunderbird and Firefox have some weird formula for the exact location the the profile directory, but you can set your own if you use thunderbird --profilemanager or thunderbird -P On Dec 4, 2007 11:30 AM, wrote: > I had a my main hard drive on my main system go south. I'm going to be > soliciting help with a backup system design. In the meantime I want to use > my saved thunderbird mail file on my wife's machine. I am doing a yum > install thunderbird right now. When thunderbird is installed and I fire it > up, does anyone have any advice so that I can point to my saved mail file > before thunderbird goes ahead and makes its own default one? I don't want > the confusion of unneeded mail files. > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 477-1784 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 18:48:54 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:48:54 -0500 Subject: Phisher of the Week In-Reply-To: <601152.10439.qm-XddnEKhDJlqB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0712031929i4fb77961g1e0659cd56205cb4@mail.gmail.com> <601152.10439.qm@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071204134854.27449764@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Colin McGregor wrote: > Still, I do wonder about women's reaction to the recent tidal wave of male > enlargement spams... You'd get more of a reaction from spam offering free chocolate. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "Aw, poor baby, chipped a fang." -Leela "Hey, I got a busted ass here! I don't see anyone kissing it." -Bender "All right, I'm coming." -Zoidberg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 21:22:06 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:22:06 -0500 Subject: thunderbird point to saved mail file In-Reply-To: <200712041147.56499.jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20071204163047.28546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712041147.56499.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20071204212206.25999.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Jamon Camisso writes: > On December 4, 2007 11:30:47 am chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> I had a my main hard drive on my main system go south. I'm going to >> be soliciting help with a backup system design. In the meantime I >> want to use my saved thunderbird mail file on my wife's machine. I am >> doing a yum install thunderbird right now. When thunderbird is >> installed and I fire it up, does anyone have any advice so that I can >> point to my saved mail file before thunderbird goes ahead and makes >> its own default one? I don't want the confusion of unneeded mail >> files. > > It should be in ~/.mozilla-thunderbird or ~/.thunderbird (I don't recall > how Fedora does it), you can copy the entire directory into place So replace this directory with my mail file, or copy my mail file into that directory? on > the new machine. Make sure on the new machine that you've removed the > existing .mozilla-thunderbird or .thunderbird directory so you don't > get conflicting mailboxes. > > For reference, Ubuntu uses .mozilla-thunderbird, as does Debian (even > for Icedove, the unbranded Thunderbird). So if Fedora is > using .thunderbird, you'll copy that into .mozilla-thunderbird on the > new Ubuntu machine (if that's what you're using). No - it's my wife's fedora machine, not my daughter's new ubuntu installation (that's the one I'm trying to get gtkpod working on). Chris > > Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 21:29:33 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:29:33 -0500 Subject: thunderbird point to saved mail file In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0712040851v6ddd5d09nf81542a9fdb55579-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20071204163047.28546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <3a97ef0712040851v6ddd5d09nf81542a9fdb55579@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071204212933.12988.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Tyler Aviss writes: > Thunderbird and Firefox have some weird formula for the exact location > the the profile directory, but you can set your own if you use > thunderbird --profilemanager > or > thunderbird -P I'm pretty sure it's the mail file I want to specify - not the profile (?) Chris > > > On Dec 4, 2007 11:30 AM, wrote: >> I had a my main hard drive on my main system go south. I'm going to be >> soliciting help with a backup system design. In the meantime I want to use >> my saved thunderbird mail file on my wife's machine. I am doing a yum >> install thunderbird right now. When thunderbird is installed and I fire it >> up, does anyone have any advice so that I can point to my saved mail file >> before thunderbird goes ahead and makes its own default one? I don't want >> the confusion of unneeded mail files. >> >> Chris >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2 > (647) 477-1784 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 5 00:56:35 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:56:35 -0500 Subject: thunderbird point to saved mail file Message-ID: <20071205005635.16034.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Sorry guys but I'm recreating this thread. I lost the mail on the server while experimenting with thunderbird. I've got to remember to set Account Settings to 'Leave Messages on Server' 'Until I delete or move them from Inbox'. That way I won't lose mail with troubleshooting tips (for mail!). Losing mail while trying to save mail is a tragic irony. I think my main problem is that I don't understand what 'Local Folders' means. By default thunderbird seems to want to create two acounts as kind of part of the one acount. One I have to name (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) and the other one is simply 'Local Folders'. To further muddy the waters, the chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org needs to point to a 'Local Directory' - that is the one I try to point to my saved mail directory. But you can't point 'Local Folders' to that same directory - it won't accept that. Any clarification. I'll try not to thrash about. Thrashing about is all I can do when I don't understand what I'm up against. I did make notes with your ideas. One idea was to save my mail directory in (or inplace of - I never heard back as to which) ~./thunderbird I tried that - it didn't seem to work. What's also bugging me is that my saved mail directory (which I named 'mymail') does not have the stuff analagous to what thunderbird creates by default. I'm removing thunderbird now and manually deleting the folders it created so I can try again. Any ideas what to do differently this time? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 5 02:05:21 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:05:21 -0500 Subject: thunderbird point to saved mail file In-Reply-To: <20071205005635.16034.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20071205005635.16034.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <47560761.70007@chrisaitken.net> chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Sorry guys but I'm recreating this thread. I lost the mail on the > server while experimenting with thunderbird. I've got to remember to > set Account Settings to 'Leave Messages on Server' 'Until I delete or > move them from Inbox'. That way I won't lose mail with troubleshooting > tips (for mail!). Losing mail while trying to save mail is a tragic > irony. > I think my main problem is that I don't understand what 'Local > Folders' means. It looks like I'm okay now. I can live without knowing what 'Local Folders' is. My workaround wisdom is to leave it alone. > By default thunderbird seems to want to create two acounts as kind of > part of the one account. One I have to name (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) > and the other one is simply 'Local Folders'. To further muddy the > waters, the chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org needs to point to a 'Local > Directory' - that is the one I try to point to my saved mail > directory. But you can't point 'Local Folders' to that same directory > - it won't accept that. Again, I left 'Local Folders' alone. I concentrated on pointing the 'Local Directory' for chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (what I named the account) to my saved mail directory. > What's also bugging me is that my saved mail directory (which I named > 'mymail') does not have the stuff analagous to what thunderbird > creates by default. The "stuff" was there - but some of it was in funny places. The most important of these was that the saved "Inbox", "Sent" (et al.) were buried in a mail folder I had created where they should be in the root mail directory. I put them in the root mail directory and all is well now. I figured this out by making changes to the saved mail directory, firing up thunderbird to see how it looked, closing thunderbird, making necessary changes in the mail directory, firing up thunderbird and repeating this process until everything looked right. Thanks, Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 5 02:59:13 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:59:13 -0500 Subject: thunderbird point to saved mail file In-Reply-To: <20071204212933.12988.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20071204163047.28546.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <3a97ef0712040851v6ddd5d09nf81542a9fdb55579@mail.gmail.com> <20071204212933.12988.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <473c25250712041859y568474e9t2ad91b6572779116@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 4, 2007 4:29 PM, wrote: > Tyler Aviss writes: > > > Thunderbird and Firefox have some weird formula for the exact location > > the the profile directory, but you can set your own if you use > > thunderbird --profilemanager > > or > > thunderbird -P > > I'm pretty sure it's the mail file I want to specify - not the profile (?) > > Chris > > > > > > > On Dec 4, 2007 11:30 AM, wrote: > >> I had a my main hard drive on my main system go south. I'm going to be > >> soliciting help with a backup system design. In the meantime I want to use > >> my saved thunderbird mail file on my wife's machine. I am doing a yum > >> install thunderbird right now. When thunderbird is installed and I fire it > >> up, does anyone have any advice so that I can point to my saved mail file > >> before thunderbird goes ahead and makes its own default one? I don't want > >> the confusion of unneeded mail files. > >> > >> Chris > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Tyler Aviss > > Systems Support > > LPIC/LPIC-2 > > (647) 477-1784 > In your ~/.thunderbird folder, there should be a 'profiles' directory, IIRC. In that profiles directory there is a folder called something weird like 'itakSGg' or something like that. That is your 'profile' it has all of your settings in it. Using the 'Profile Manager' it's possible to have multiple profiles, which would allow you to have two or more completely different setups on the same user account. Most people just end up with whatever the default profile that Thunderbird creates (Firefox does the same thing in the ~/.firefox directory IIRC). The thing that I'm not sure about is if you just manually copy the entire contents of ~/.thunderbird from the old location to the new location, if Thunderbird will automatically pickup on the profile that is there (your old one), or try to create a new one... without using the Profile Manager to manually tell it about the profile. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 5 20:11:46 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:11:46 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network Message-ID: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> I want to have a backup system for our home network. We have four PCs (I'm going to call them PCs here to mean they are linux computers as opposed to MACs - I don't mean PC as in a Microsoft computer). cpc is my multimedia (emu1212m soundcard, printer is attached, DVD burner, audacity) and production machine for my guitar lessons business. ppc is the administrative computer (spreadsheets, documents, artwork) for the business. dpc is my daughter's machine which has our first non-rpm-based distro (ubuntu) - that's the machine I'll be setting up to use gtkpod with the 3rd gen. iPod video nano. bpc is my son's computer - he doesn't do much with it right now (just homework). cpc: 20 GB master hard drive (that just died) and 10 GB slave hard drive (I keep .ogg's on it), 384 MB RAM, PIII 733 MHz ppc: 20 GB master hard drive and 6 GB slave hard drive (for backups), 256 MB RAM, AMD Duron 800 MHz dpc: 13.5 GB hard drive, 256 MB RAM, PIII 733 MHz bpc: 13.5 GB hard drive, 256 MB RAM, PIII 733 MHz My two goals are 1. backup, and 2. low down-time when a hard drive goes. For instance, this hard drive crash I lost some data (not much because I do backups, but some), and my production machine will be down for a while because I have to install so much software (OS, apps, printer, netwrok printing). I just bought two identical 160 GB WD hard drives. So, I could set up software RAID 1 as Lennart suggested - it would be the first time doing this. How much slower will my computer really be due to the mirror? Will I take a hit, say, when recording in audacity? Are RAID 1 cards cheap? Would that give me hardware RAID and would the performace gain be worth the effort? Are there any other solutions you guys suggest looking at given the machines I have and all the hard drivves on them that coulkd be redistributed? the only hard drive that is married to a machine is the 20 GB hard drive on ppc (it's working real good for what my wife needs so I don't want to mess with it - anything else is possible, though... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 5 21:35:20 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:35:20 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <47570602.6020309-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 03:11:46PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > I want to have a backup system for our home network. We have four PCs > (I'm going to call them PCs here to mean they are linux computers as > opposed to MACs - I don't mean PC as in a Microsoft computer). cpc is my > multimedia (emu1212m soundcard, printer is attached, DVD burner, > audacity) and production machine for my guitar lessons business. ppc is > the administrative computer (spreadsheets, documents, artwork) for the > business. dpc is my daughter's machine which has our first non-rpm-based > distro (ubuntu) - that's the machine I'll be setting up to use gtkpod > with the 3rd gen. iPod video nano. bpc is my son's computer - he doesn't > do much with it right now (just homework). > > cpc: 20 GB master hard drive (that just died) and 10 GB slave hard drive > (I keep .ogg's on it), 384 MB RAM, PIII 733 MHz > > ppc: 20 GB master hard drive and 6 GB slave hard drive (for backups), > 256 MB RAM, AMD Duron 800 MHz > > dpc: 13.5 GB hard drive, 256 MB RAM, PIII 733 MHz > > bpc: 13.5 GB hard drive, 256 MB RAM, PIII 733 MHz > > My two goals are 1. backup, and 2. low down-time when a hard drive goes. > For instance, this hard drive crash I lost some data (not much because I > do backups, but some), and my production machine will be down for a > while because I have to install so much software (OS, apps, printer, > netwrok printing). > > I just bought two identical 160 GB WD hard drives. So, I could set up > software RAID 1 as Lennart suggested - it would be the first time doing > this. How much slower will my computer really be due to the mirror? Will > I take a hit, say, when recording in audacity? Are RAID 1 cards cheap? > Would that give me hardware RAID and would the performace gain be worth > the effort? Are there any other solutions you guys suggest looking at > given the machines I have and all the hard drivves on them that coulkd > be redistributed? the only hard drive that is married to a machine is > the 20 GB hard drive on ppc (it's working real good for what my wife > needs so I don't want to mess with it - anything else is possible, though... There will be no performance hit. In fact there is a performance gain since reads are distributed between the two disks as far as I understand it. So writes are same speed, and reads are faster. And downtime is reduced to near nothing since you only lost one of the disks in the mirror and can quickly replace it and rebuild without any loss of data and without having to reinstall everything. Of course raid is NOT a backup and never will be. It is protection against disk failure only, although compared to backup this generally saves you a ton of work in case of failure, while a backup protects you against corruptions and mistakes by letting you recover lost files, although generally it can be more time consuming to do so. Where I work we actually backup a couple of servers using an external 500GB WD SATA driver in a NexStar3 eSATA/USB enclosure. We rsync to it every night, and have 3 disks on rotation being switched every friday. We also mirror files between two servers, and keep rsnapshot archives of the files on the server every 2 hours. rsnapshot means you never loose more than 2 hours worth of work if you accidentally delete or overwrite or corrupt a file and it is trivial to access (we have it available as a read only file share), the mirroring between servers (every 4 hours) using rsync helps protect against loosing the filesystem, raid 1 takes care of disk failures, and the backup gets the data off site once a week just in case something very bad was to happen. Using multiple disks means there is always one disk off site, and when updating one disk there is two others with previous versions that are not being touched (one off site and one waiting to be swapped in). Cost of each external driver was about $100 for the disk and $45 for the enclosure. so less than $600 for all 3. We used to use DVDs but they are too slow, too much hassle, and what do you do with the old versions after they start to pile up. Not very environmentaly friendly. Destroying them with a hammer was determined to be dangerous by the person who tried that aproach. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 02:17:43 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:17:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <20071205213520.GL2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > There will be no performance hit. In fact there is a performance gain > since reads are distributed between the two disks as far as I understand Well "it depends". For IDE there will be a performance gain for reads and writes if the two drives are on different channels. If the two drives are on the same channel there may be a performance hit for reads and will be a performance hit for writes. For SATA the situation should be better - I would expect both read and write performance gains. > > Of course raid is NOT a backup and never will be. It is protection Absolutely. Too many people assume mirroring offers some sort of backup-like reliability. It does not. Just imagine the result of an accidental rm: both copies of the data will be deleted. > against disk failure only, although compared to backup this generally > saves you a ton of work in case of failure, while a backup protects you > against corruptions and mistakes by letting you recover lost files, > although generally it can be more time consuming to do so. Once planned out home backups don't have to be time consuming. I have a cron job go over overnight which sshes to each box and dumps full or incremental backups to a usd HDD. I have 5x500GB USB HDDs and these are rotated offsite periodically. The key is _off site_ backups. Keep backups of all your important data and keep at least one copy offsite at all times. The cost of USB HDDs is low compared to what an offsite backup offers you. As to where to keep an offsite backup - a workplace may be fine. If you work at home then arrange to swap offsite backups with a trusted friend. Be very very careful about encrypting backups (and filesystems for that matter). You can't just "get the password reset" if you forget your passphrase or lose the private key. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 02:22:53 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:22:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <47570602.6020309-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Chris Aitken wrote: > cpc: 20 GB master hard drive (that just died) and 10 GB slave hard drive (I > keep .ogg's on it), 384 MB RAM, PIII 733 MHz > > ppc: 20 GB master hard drive and 6 GB slave hard drive (for backups), 256 MB > RAM, AMD Duron 800 MHz > > dpc: 13.5 GB hard drive, 256 MB RAM, PIII 733 MHz > > bpc: 13.5 GB hard drive, 256 MB RAM, PIII 733 MHz Hi Chris. In an earlier email I mentioned how thin clients are a great way to go. Linux and X lend themselves so well to thin client technologies and you often get better performance than using old machines as workstations. Despite the many many advantages (including simplified backups and reduced management time) alot of people don't seem to "get" thin clients. For people used to the workstation paradigm it can seem a strange idea. I've had a thin client (XTerminal) on my desk for about 12 years now and I get better performance because of it. Perhaps I need to give a thin client talk to GTALUG. I know you probably can't make it Chris :( Since I'm no longer the talks coordinator I'll need to apply :) Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 02:39:57 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:39:57 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: On Dec 5, 2007 9:22 PM, Robert Brockway wrote: > Despite the many many advantages (including simplified backups and reduced > management time) alot of people don't seem to "get" thin clients. For > people used to the workstation paradigm it can seem a strange idea. The problem I have always had with the "thin client" approach is much the same as my problem with automobile leasing. Both *ought* to be enormously more beneficial to users than the rapacious vendors allow it to be. Auto leasing allows someone to get the tax benefit of depreciation, so it *OUGHT* to make it a compellingly preferable way for individuals to have cars to drive, but the leasing companies choose to use it as an excuse to profit excessively, so it's NOT cheaper than buying. Not too dissimilar, if I am buying an X term that's got wimpier CPU and no disk and needs less case and less cooling and less electricity, this *ought* to mean that the unit costs about as much as a videogame, that is, somewhere about $200-$300-ish. Reality is, instead, that once the vendors get thru with you, you've paid $800 for it, and that's so insultingly more than a cheap dueling-cores "full fledged PC" that I always decline to go this route. I was considering grabbing a PC recently to try some stuff out on, and assortedly saw: - I could buy some BestBuy/FutureShop "minitower" for ~$400 - I could build something comparable with better underlying hardware for ~$500 - I saw some nifty compact Acer boxes, but I'm not paying $850 for it... I don't think this economic view is too terribly unusual... It just feels like an insult to buy something that's smaller *and less featureful* and pay quite a bit more for it. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 03:19:40 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:19:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Christopher Browne wrote: > The problem I have always had with the "thin client" approach is much > the same as my problem with automobile leasing. Hi Chris. I'm not sure I see this as a good analogy :) > Both *ought* to be enormously more beneficial to users than the > rapacious vendors allow it to be. That was the old days. Indeed first time around greedy thin client vendors priced themselves out of the market - early PCs were actually cheaper because the thin client vendors thought they had the market cornered. They were wrong of course and set thin client adoption back 20 years. But those days are gone. These days a cheap/old PC will make a wonderful thin client. True thin clients can be had for a low price. > Not too dissimilar, if I am buying an X term that's got wimpier CPU > and no disk and needs less case and less cooling and less electricity, > this *ought* to mean that the unit costs about as much as a videogame, > that is, somewhere about $200-$300-ish. The thin client currently on my desk was USD279. Dedicated thin clients can easily be had for half this price. This one came from www.disklessworkstations.com (which I have no affiliation with except being a customer). > Reality is, instead, that once the vendors get thru with you, you've > paid $800 for it, and that's so insultingly more than a cheap I have seen thin clients advertised at that price in recent years. I just laugh and move on. A few large corporations do buy them but you and I don't have to. > It just feels like an insult to buy something that's smaller *and less > featureful* and pay quite a bit more for it. Chris, you don't. Not anymore. Not for a long time. You pay less for a thin client and get a lot of advantages in to the bargain. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 12:18:34 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:18:34 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <4757E89A.4080806@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > On Dec 5, 2007 9:22 PM, Robert Brockway wrote: > >> Despite the many many advantages (including simplified backups and reduced >> management time) alot of people don't seem to "get" thin clients. For >> people used to the workstation paradigm it can seem a strange idea. >> > > The problem I have always had with the "thin client" approach is much > the same as my problem with automobile leasing. > > Both *ought* to be enormously more beneficial to users than the > rapacious vendors allow it to be. > > Auto leasing allows someone to get the tax benefit of depreciation, so > it *OUGHT* to make it a compellingly preferable way for individuals to > have cars to drive, but the leasing companies choose to use it as an > excuse to profit excessively, so it's NOT cheaper than buying. > While I don't know all the accounting details a leasing company deals with, several years ago, I leased my own personal car through my employer's leasing company. I checked with the credit union, bank and dealer and none could deliver the car at close to the same cost as I could get on the lease, even after considering the buyout. Now that I'm receiving a car allowance, a leased car would make a big difference in my income tax. Currently, as I own my car, I have to calculate a decreasing amount of depreciation each year. And since I paid cash for my car, I don't even have any financing expenses to write off. If I leased the car, the business use portion of the lease and other expenses come right off the top of my income. Leasing often makes sense for businesses, as it becomes a straight expense, without worrying about depreciation or disposal. It also means no capital tied up in vehicles. > Not too dissimilar, if I am buying an X term that's got wimpier CPU > and no disk and needs less case and less cooling and less electricity, > this *ought* to mean that the unit costs about as much as a videogame, > that is, somewhere about $200-$300-ish. > > Reality is, instead, that once the vendors get thru with you, you've > paid $800 for it, and that's so insultingly more than a cheap > dueling-cores "full fledged PC" that I always decline to go this > route. > http://shop.koolu.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2 > I was considering grabbing a PC recently to try some stuff out on, and > assortedly saw: > - I could buy some BestBuy/FutureShop "minitower" for ~$400 > - I could build something comparable with better underlying hardware for ~$500 > - I saw some nifty compact Acer boxes, but I'm not paying $850 for it... > I don't think this economic view is too terribly unusual... > > It just feels like an insult to buy something that's smaller *and less > featureful* and pay quite a bit more for it. > Don't forget, that old PC will also use considerably more electricity than a thin client. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 15:09:51 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:09:51 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> There will be no performance hit. In fact there is a performance gain >> since reads are distributed between the two disks as far as I understand > > > Well "it depends". For IDE there will be a performance gain for reads > and > writes if the two drives are on different channels. If the two drives > are > on the same channel there may be a performance hit for reads and will > be a > performance hit for writes. That I did not know. I am doing the hard drive installations now. So, I should put one drive on one IDE cable (I guess we call that IDE1) and the other on the other cable (IDE2)? So, then do I jumper them both as "Single/Master", "Master" or what? I guess each hard drive will be Master on it's respective IDE cable and the DVD burner and CD-ROM as Slave. In the past I've not put CD drive and hard drive on the same cable because I hear that data transfer speed will dumb down to the CD drive speed. Will this affect me or only when I'm actually /using/ the CD-ROM or DVD drive? Thanks for all the information in this email. Chris > For SATA the situation should be better - I > would expect both read and write performance gains. > >> >> Of course raid is NOT a backup and never will be. It is protection > > > Absolutely. Too many people assume mirroring offers some sort of > backup-like reliability. It does not. Just imagine the result of an > accidental rm: both copies of the data will be deleted. > >> against disk failure only, although compared to backup this generally >> saves you a ton of work in case of failure, while a backup protects you >> against corruptions and mistakes by letting you recover lost files, >> although generally it can be more time consuming to do so. > > > Once planned out home backups don't have to be time consuming. I have a > cron job go over overnight which sshes to each box and dumps full or > incremental backups to a usd HDD. I have 5x500GB USB HDDs and these are > rotated offsite periodically. > > The key is _off site_ backups. Keep backups of all your important data > and keep at least one copy offsite at all times. > > The cost of USB HDDs is low compared to what an offsite backup offers > you. > > As to where to keep an offsite backup - a workplace may be fine. If > you work at home then arrange to swap offsite backups with a trusted > friend. Be very very careful about encrypting backups (and filesystems > for that matter). You can't just "get the password reset" if you > forget your passphrase or lose the private key. > > Cheers, > > Rob > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 15:16:02 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:16:02 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47581232.9030806@chrisaitken.net> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> cpc: 20 GB master hard drive (that just died) and 10 GB slave hard >> drive (I keep .ogg's on it), 384 MB RAM, PIII 733 MHz >> >> ppc: 20 GB master hard drive and 6 GB slave hard drive (for backups), >> 256 MB RAM, AMD Duron 800 MHz >> >> dpc: 13.5 GB hard drive, 256 MB RAM, PIII 733 MHz >> >> bpc: 13.5 GB hard drive, 256 MB RAM, PIII 733 MHz > > > Hi Chris. In an earlier email I mentioned how thin clients are a > great way to go. Linux and X lend themselves so well to thin client > technologies and you often get better performance than using old > machines as workstations. > > Despite the many many advantages (including simplified backups and > reduced management time) alot of people don't seem to "get" thin > clients. For people used to the workstation paradigm it can seem a > strange idea. Well, yeah, rather than pretend I'm going to try this some day, I'll tell you why I haven't and maybe if I tell you why I haven't you can soothe my fear and then I'll actually try this. Here goes: "It sounds difficult to set up". > > I've had a thin client (XTerminal) on my desk for about 12 years now > and I get better performance because of it. Maybe my son's computer (bpc) would be a good candidate. > > Perhaps I need to give a thin client talk to GTALUG. I know you > probably can't make it Chris :( Well, if you can get past your Toronto-centric attitude you could ask everyone to attend a meeting in Timmins. You can all stay at my house. :) Chris > > Since I'm no longer the talks coordinator I'll need to apply :) > > Cheers, > > Rob > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 15:20:09 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:20:09 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47581329.7080708@chrisaitken.net> Christopher Browne wrote: >On Dec 5, 2007 9:22 PM, Robert Brockway wrote: > > >>Despite the many many advantages (including simplified backups and reduced >>management time) alot of people don't seem to "get" thin clients. For >>people used to the workstation paradigm it can seem a strange idea. >> >> > >The problem I have always had with the "thin client" approach is much >the same as my problem with automobile leasing. > >Both *ought* to be enormously more beneficial to users than the >rapacious vendors allow it to be. > >Auto leasing allows someone to get the tax benefit of depreciation, so >it *OUGHT* to make it a compellingly preferable way for individuals to >have cars to drive, but the leasing companies choose to use it as an >excuse to profit excessively, so it's NOT cheaper than buying. > >Not too dissimilar, if I am buying an X term that's got wimpier CPU >and no disk and needs less case and less cooling and less electricity, >this *ought* to mean that the unit costs about as much as a videogame, >that is, somewhere about $200-$300-ish. > >Reality is, instead, that once the vendors get thru with you, you've >paid $800 for it, and that's so insultingly more than a cheap >dueling-cores "full fledged PC" that I always decline to go this >route. > > I thought the idea behind thin clients was, "Hey I was going to throw out my PIII 733 with it's 256 MB ceiling of DDRAM but I turned it into a thin client instead". So, that saves you the entire price of a new computer. Of course, I have no right to be a thin client advocate (yet). Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 15:50:20 2007 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:50:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux tech support In-Reply-To: <475810BF.3040301-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <213783.91419.qm@web61317.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, Is there a tech support that one can call when in trouble in Toronto and get a response within an hour or so and be charged on call basis? Thanks, EK Looking for a X-Mas gift? Everybody needs a Flickr Pro Account. http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 16:04:43 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:04:43 -0500 Subject: Linux tech support In-Reply-To: <213783.91419.qm-AouFGu99mLOA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <213783.91419.qm@web61317.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47581D9B.2080804@chrisaitken.net> E K wrote: >Hi all, > >Is there a tech support that one can call when in trouble in Toronto >and get a response within an hour or so and be charged on call basis? > > Try Robert Brockway (OpenTrend) - he's on this list. Chris >Thanks, >EK > > > Looking for a X-Mas gift? Everybody needs a Flickr Pro Account. > > > >http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 16:03:57 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:03:57 -0500 Subject: Linux tech support In-Reply-To: <213783.91419.qm-AouFGu99mLOA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <213783.91419.qm@web61317.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 6-Dec-07, at 10:50 AM, E K wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there a tech support that one can call when in trouble in Toronto > and get a response within an hour or so and be charged on call basis? > Almost nobody I know will guarantee a one hour response without an apriori arrangement. If there is someone out there, I'll subscribe to this service as well. Dave > Thanks, > EK > > > Looking for a X-Mas gift? Everybody needs a Flickr Pro Account. > > > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 16:04:14 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:04:14 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20071206160414.GM2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 09:17:43PM -0500, Robert Brockway wrote: > Well "it depends". For IDE there will be a performance gain for reads and > writes if the two drives are on different channels. If the two drives are > on the same channel there may be a performance hit for reads and will be a > performance hit for writes. For SATA the situation should be better - I > would expect both read and write performance gains. If two disks are on the same channel with IDE running raid1 then you are nuts. If one drive fails it almost always takes down the channel in which case you loose access to the raid anyhow. Don't EVER install raid1 across two disks on the same IDE channel. You can run two raid1's using two channels by having one disk from each raid on each channel. > Absolutely. Too many people assume mirroring offers some sort of > backup-like reliability. It does not. Just imagine the result of an > accidental rm: both copies of the data will be deleted. Yep. It's just protection against disk failures, although it is hence very useful. > Once planned out home backups don't have to be time consuming. I have a > cron job go over overnight which sshes to each box and dumps full or > incremental backups to a usd HDD. I have 5x500GB USB HDDs and these are > rotated offsite periodically. I meant restoring a system due to disk failure from backup takes a lot of time, compared to having raid1 to deal with that. > The key is _off site_ backups. Keep backups of all your important data > and keep at least one copy offsite at all times. I keep meaning to start doing rsync mirrors between my own machine and my parents (in both directions). Seems like it would be a good solution. > The cost of USB HDDs is low compared to what an offsite backup offers you. > > As to where to keep an offsite backup - a workplace may be fine. If you > work at home then arrange to swap offsite backups with a trusted friend. > Be very very careful about encrypting backups (and filesystems for that > matter). You can't just "get the password reset" if you forget your > passphrase or lose the private key. I don't encrypt backups. Just protect them as well as you would the system you are backing up. Now for those people who encrypt their main filesystem, well sure you should encrypt the backup too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 16:09:08 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:09:08 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <475810BF.3040301-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071206160908.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:09:51AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > That I did not know. I am doing the hard drive installations now. So, I > should put one drive on one IDE cable (I guess we call that IDE1) and > the other on the other cable (IDE2)? So, then do I jumper them both as > "Single/Master", "Master" or what? I guess each hard drive will be > Master on it's respective IDE cable and the DVD burner and CD-ROM as > Slave. In the past I've not put CD drive and hard drive on the same > cable because I hear that data transfer speed will dumb down to the CD > drive speed. Will this affect me or only when I'm actually /using/ the > CD-ROM or DVD drive? Unless you have an ancient IDE controller, it will be able to run each drive at full speed. Also all newer CD and DVD writers support bus disconnect so that when they are doing a long command they disconnect from the IDE bus and let other commands happen until they are done. Old CD-ROM drives and writers would lock the BUS while doing commands (so a 2 minute erase operation would lock up the IDE channel for 2 minutes). As for jumpers, I just run cable select on everything. That way the driver at the end of the cable (for 80wire cables, which everything ought to be using by now anyhow) will be master, and the one on the middle connector is the slave. If you are using old 40wire cables, then set master and slave on the drives appropriately. Of course if you really care about performance, buy another IDE controller. My home machine has 3 IDE controllers. One add in card, one in the chipset, and one extra controller on the main board, so I could run 12 drivers if I wanted to, but I only ever run one per channel, which currently is 2 x 80GB, 1 x 250GB, 1 x 500GB, 1 x DVD-ROM and 1 x CD-RW. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 16:18:08 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:18:08 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <20071205213520.GL2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <473c25250712060818g28dafa1dp14c5e65a26b0ca47@mail.gmail.com> On 12/5/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Destroying them with a > hammer was determined to be dangerous by the person who tried that > aproach. You've obviously never tried throwing CDs or DVDs like ninja stars or frisbees. If you are able to hit the wall right they will explode (This is assuming a cement/cinder block wall. They will stick into dry wall). Or just putting them in a microwave. There are also shredders out there that are rated to do CDs as well as go through staples and paper clips. -- Brandon Sandrowicz -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 16:37:28 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:37:28 -0500 Subject: Linux tech support In-Reply-To: References: <213783.91419.qm@web61317.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <473c25250712060837o24811793o1f64506b1b58d62@mail.gmail.com> On 12/6/07, Dave Cramer wrote: > Almost nobody I know will guarantee a one hour response without an > apriori arrangement. > > If there is someone out there, I'll subscribe to this service as well. > Yea. My first thought is, "How do you guarantee 1-hour response without knowing how large your client-base will be... seeing as anyone could call in at anytime?" -- Brandon Sandrowicz -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 17:41:40 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:41:40 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <20071206160908.GN2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> <20071206160908.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:09:51AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > >>That I did not know. I am doing the hard drive installations now. So, I >>should put one drive on one IDE cable (I guess we call that IDE1) and >>the other on the other cable (IDE2)? So, then do I jumper them both as >>"Single/Master", "Master" or what? I guess each hard drive will be >>Master on it's respective IDE cable and the DVD burner and CD-ROM as >>Slave. In the past I've not put CD drive and hard drive on the same >>cable because I hear that data transfer speed will dumb down to the CD >>drive speed. Will this affect me or only when I'm actually /using/ the >>CD-ROM or DVD drive? >> >> > >Unless you have an ancient IDE controller, it will be able to run each >drive at full speed. Also all newer CD and DVD writers support bus >disconnect so that when they are doing a long command they disconnect >from the IDE bus and let other commands happen until they are done. Old >CD-ROM drives and writers would lock the BUS while doing commands (so a >2 minute erase operation would lock up the IDE channel for 2 minutes). > >As for jumpers, I just run cable select on everything. That way the >driver at the end of the cable (for 80wire cables, which everything >ought to be using by now anyhow) will be master, and the one on the >middle connector is the slave. If you are using old 40wire cables, then >set master and slave on the drives appropriately. > > Okay, I set Master and Slave on each IDE cable. I'm starting up the computer now (I'm installing ubuntu 7.10). The first thing I see is, The folowing configuration options were automatically updated: Disk: 137438MB WDC WD1600AAJB-00PVA0 CD-ROM: CDD-1480 The problem is that the salesman told me these are 160 GB drives. I just spoke with a guy at the local Krazy Krazy - he says that the "DOS on the motherboard" uses the missing 22 GB. Is that true? I didn't know CMOS settings were DOS. And I'm surprised it needs 22 GB of hard disk space. That's bigger thatn the biggest hard drive I've ever owned (which was 20 GB until now). Also, I'm surprised that the second hard drive (Master on the other IDE cable) wasn't detected - or maybe that is going to be on the next POST output message... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 18:09:42 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:09:42 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <47583454.9030506-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> <20071206160908.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <473c25250712061009h6da4bccelc2b55ba6cffe48ce@mail.gmail.com> On 12/6/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > Okay, I set Master and Slave on each IDE cable. I'm starting up the > computer now (I'm installing ubuntu 7.10). The first thing I see is, > > The folowing configuration options were automatically updated: > > Disk: 137438MB WDC WD1600AAJB-00PVA0 > CD-ROM: CDD-1480 > > The problem is that the salesman told me these are 160 GB drives. I just > spoke with a guy at the local Krazy Krazy - he says that the "DOS on the > motherboard" uses the missing 22 GB. Is that true? I didn't know CMOS > settings were DOS. And I'm surprised it needs 22 GB of hard disk space. > That's bigger thatn the biggest hard drive I've ever owned (which was 20 > GB until now). > > Also, I'm surprised that the second hard drive (Master on the other IDE > cable) wasn't detected - or maybe that is going to be on the next POST > output message... > > Chris > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > 137GB is a limit of some old motherboards. The IDE controller can't address more space than that. If you get a PCI IDE controller, you can have one with a newer IDE controller that can address all of that space. That sales person is talking through their ass. BIOS != DOS, and nothing is "using" that extra space. What would a BIOS need 22GB for anyways? Just to put that in prespective, a DVDRip of tv series season (~24 episodes) would be around 8GB.... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 18:13:34 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:13:34 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <473c25250712060818g28dafa1dp14c5e65a26b0ca47-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <473c25250712060818g28dafa1dp14c5e65a26b0ca47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071206181334.GO2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 11:18:08AM -0500, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > You've obviously never tried throwing CDs or DVDs like ninja stars or > frisbees. If you are able to hit the wall right they will explode > (This is assuming a cement/cinder block wall. They will stick into > dry wall). Or just putting them in a microwave. There are also > shredders out there that are rated to do CDs as well as go through > staples and paper clips. Plextor sells a CD/DVD eraser as well. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 18:37:26 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:37:26 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <47583454.9030506-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> <20071206160908.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47584166.2090506@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Okay, I set Master and Slave on each IDE cable. I'm starting up the > computer now (I'm installing ubuntu 7.10). The first thing I see is, > > The folowing configuration options were automatically updated: > > Disk: 137438MB WDC WD1600AAJB-00PVA0 > CD-ROM: CDD-1480 Okay, the ubuntu installer sees it as a 160 GB hard drive. Nevertheless, it's only discovered /dev/sda which means it doesn't see the second hard drive at all. I guess I'll have to open the box and re-check the jumpering (?)... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 18:33:09 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:33:09 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <47583454.9030506-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> <20071206160908.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071206183308.GP2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 12:41:40PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Okay, I set Master and Slave on each IDE cable. I'm starting up the > computer now (I'm installing ubuntu 7.10). The first thing I see is, > > The folowing configuration options were automatically updated: > > Disk: 137438MB WDC WD1600AAJB-00PVA0 > CD-ROM: CDD-1480 > > The problem is that the salesman told me these are 160 GB drives. I just > spoke with a guy at the local Krazy Krazy - he says that the "DOS on the > motherboard" uses the missing 22 GB. Is that true? I didn't know CMOS > settings were DOS. And I'm surprised it needs 22 GB of hard disk space. > That's bigger thatn the biggest hard drive I've ever owned (which was 20 > GB until now). > > Also, I'm surprised that the second hard drive (Master on the other IDE > cable) wasn't detected - or maybe that is going to be on the next POST > output message... There is two types of IDE protocols. LBA28 and LBA48. LBA28 can only address 2^28 sectors of 512bytes each, which is 137GB. Anything bigger gets clipped. A modern IDE controller can use 48bit addressing instead, which gives you 137PB maximum (or something near that). 512 bytes/sector * 1024*1024*256 (that's 2^28) = 137438953472 bytes I know on my motherboard a BIOS update actually allowed me to start using LBA48 rather than LBA28 on the onboard controller. I had previously bought the add in card because I needed an LBA48 compatible IDE controller. Any promise IDE card you buy will do 48bit LBA and hence support the full size, while your motherboard if it is P3 era will not unless the maker happens to be nice enough to have made an updated the BIOS and assuming the chipset is physically capable of allowing it. Of course even older systems don't even have LBA support, or they had BIOS bugs that limited you to 33GB (1/4 of the 137GB), or 8GB, or 2GB, or 512MB if you had no LBA and no support for more than 1024 cylinders. The 33GB bios bugs linux could work around and allow you to use the whole drive anyhow even if you told the drive to lie to the bios about it's size (soft clipping was available for a number of drives to do that trick). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 18:57:20 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:57:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <47581232.9030806-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <47581232.9030806@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, Chris Aitken wrote: > Well, yeah, rather than pretend I'm going to try this some day, I'lltell you > why I haven't and maybe if I tell you why I haven't you can soothe my fear > and then I'll actually try this. Here goes: "It sounds difficult to set up". Hi Chris. This is a reasonable concern and I have a couple of responses: 1. It isn't as difficult as you probably think it is. On Linux we have LTSP (http://www.ltsp.org). which greatly simplifies the process. Most major distros already include LTSP. There can be a few little "gotchas" just like any other reasonably complex application. Fortunately there is great mailing list & irc help as always with open source apps. Most problems seem to revolve around configuring TFTP ot DHCP (the underlying boot technologies). 2. You only need to do it once :) That's one of the biggest advantages of thin client across the board. Once you have it working it is little or no trouble to add additional thin clients. >> I've had a thin client (XTerminal) on my desk for about 12 years nowand I >> get better performance because of it. > > Maybe my son's computer (bpc) would be a good candidate. I'd say so. Thanks to "shared memory" and "copy-on-write" Linux makes very efficent use of memory on a thin client server. This is particularly true since most people use the same apps most of the time (office apps, web browser, mail client, etc). It still makes sense to put a good amount of memory on the thin client server though. More ram means more disk cache and more memory to run apps (so less swapping). In recent years I've wanted at least 1GB ram for a thin client server. If you can afford it (and the system supports it) 2GB or more is even better. For a thin client system the memory on the server is key to performance. Multi-core CPUs are particularly useful in a thin client server but certainly not essential. In recent years I've wanted at least 128MB for the thin clients themselves. >> Perhaps I need to give a thin client talk to GTALUG. I know you probably >> can't make it Chris :( > > Well, if you can get past your Toronto-centric attitude you could ask > everyone to attend a meeting in Timmins. You can all stay at my house. > > :) A road trip! :) Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 19:06:25 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:06:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <475810BF.3040301-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, Chris Aitken wrote: I wrote: >> Well "it depends". For IDE there will be a performance gain for reads and >> writes if the two drives are on different channels. If the two drives are >> on the same channel there may be a performance hit for reads and will be a >> performance hit for writes. > > That I did not know. I am doing the hard drive installations now. So, I Basically IDE could do multi-drive on a single channel but it wasn't very good at it :) > should put one drive on one IDE cable (I guess we call that IDE1) and the > other on the other cable (IDE2)? So, then do I jumper them both as It's likely to be IDE0 & IDE1. IDE0 has hda & hdb while IDE has hdc & hdd typically. > "Single/Master", "Master" or what? I guess each hard drive will be Master on I'd do each one as Master on its own channel. > it's respective IDE cable and the DVD burner and CD-ROM as Slave. In the past > I've not put CD drive and hard drive on the same cable because I hear that > data transfer speed will dumb down to the CD drive speed. Will this affect me I've also often heard this. I can't recall if I've ever seen it. I can say for sure I have put cdroms on the same channel as a HDD many times and not had a problem. > or only when I'm actually /using/ the CD-ROM or DVD drive? If the problem strikes I believe it is meant to be "all the time". While we are on the subject of running IDE HDDs on different channels, you could add one swap partition per drive and run them with equal swap priority to boost swapping performance also. This would preclude mirroing the swap space of course. As usual it is a tradeoff between performance and reliability. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 19:08:10 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:08:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux tech support In-Reply-To: <47581D9B.2080804-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <213783.91419.qm@web61317.mail.yahoo.com> <47581D9B.2080804@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, Chris Aitken wrote: > Try Robert Brockway (OpenTrend) - he's on this list. Thanks Chris :) I used to offer guaranteed response times but I shutdown that service long ago. Most clients were on 4 hour response. 1 hour response is really expensive no matter who is offering it. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 20:52:47 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:52:47 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <47584166.2090506-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> <20071206160908.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> <47584166.2090506@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <4758611F.30802@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > >> Okay, I set Master and Slave on each IDE cable. I'm starting up the >> computer now (I'm installing ubuntu 7.10). The first thing I see is, >> >> The folowing configuration options were automatically updated: >> >> Disk: 137438MB WDC WD1600AAJB-00PVA0 >> CD-ROM: CDD-1480 > > > Okay, the ubuntu installer sees it as a 160 GB hard drive. > Nevertheless, it's only discovered /dev/sda which means it doesn't see > the second hard drive at all. I guess I'll have to open the box and > re-check the jumpering (?)... I'm fine - the IDE cable was a little loose from the hard drive. These modest revelations are both embarassing and happy-making. :/ > > Chris > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 21:13:51 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:13:51 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <473c25250712061009h6da4bccelc2b55ba6cffe48ce-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> <473c25250712061009h6da4bccelc2b55ba6cffe48ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200712061613.54668.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On December 6, 2007 01:09:42 pm Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > On 12/6/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > > Okay, I set Master and Slave on each IDE cable. I'm starting up the > > computer now (I'm installing ubuntu 7.10). The first thing I see > > is, > > > > The folowing configuration options were automatically updated: > > > > Disk: 137438MB WDC WD1600AAJB-00PVA0 > > CD-ROM: CDD-1480 > > > > The problem is that the salesman told me these are 160 GB drives. I > > just spoke with a guy at the local Krazy Krazy - he says that the > > "DOS on the motherboard" uses the missing 22 GB. Is that true? I > > didn't know CMOS settings were DOS. And I'm surprised it needs 22 > > GB of hard disk space. That's bigger thatn the biggest hard drive > > I've ever owned (which was 20 GB until now). > > > > Also, I'm surprised that the second hard drive (Master on the other > > IDE cable) wasn't detected - or maybe that is going to be on the > > next POST output message... > > > > Chris > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > 137GB is a limit of some old motherboards. The IDE controller can't > address more space than that. If you get a PCI IDE controller, you > can have one with a newer IDE controller that can address all of that > space. > > That sales person is talking through their ass. BIOS != DOS, and > nothing is "using" that extra space. What would a BIOS need 22GB for > anyways? Just to put that in prespective, a DVDRip of tv series > season (~24 episodes) would be around 8GB.... That and hard drive manufacturers have long measured sizes in decimal representations of bytes instead of using base2 respresentations. Where 1024^3 is 1,073,741,824 bytes, or 1gb like we're used to in terms of file sizes, ram, etc., hdd manufacturers measure 1gb as 10^9 or 1,000,000,000 bytes. So your 160gb drive in decimal works out to a maximum of 149.01gb. Brandon's point about your ide controller is a good one, is there a tool from WD to bypass your bios limitations? I had to use one of those with a first generation 40gb Seagate drive I had that would only show up as 32gb. Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 21:28:56 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:28:56 +0000 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: On Dec 6, 2007 3:19 AM, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Christopher Browne wrote: > > The problem I have always had with the "thin client" approach is much > > the same as my problem with automobile leasing. > > Hi Chris. I'm not sure I see this as a good analogy :) Well, it was, in the old days, and I've seen enough "purty expensive thin clients" even pretty lately that it hasn't been a bad fit for terribly long... > But those days are gone. These days a cheap/old PC will make a wonderful > thin client. True thin clients can be had for a low price. > The thin client currently on my desk was USD279. Dedicated thin clients > can easily be had for half this price. This one came from > www.disklessworkstations.com (which I have no affiliation with except > being a customer). They're not *too* far away, in Michigan... That's encouraging. > > It just feels like an insult to buy something that's smaller *and less > > featureful* and pay quite a bit more for it. > > Chris, you don't. Not anymore. Not for a long time. You pay less for a > thin client and get a lot of advantages in to the bargain. I'd like to see them on College St ;-). If they were actually getting heavily sold (as would happen, if they were being sold by Toronto's "grey market"), the prices would be lower still. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 21:42:47 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:42:47 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <475860EB.2060506-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> <20071206160908.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> <47584166.2090506@chrisaitken.net> <475860EB.2060506@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47586CD7.3030408@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Chris Aitken wrote: >> >> >> >>> Okay, I set Master and Slave on each IDE cable. I'm starting up the >>> computer now (I'm installing ubuntu 7.10). The first thing I see is, >>> >>> The folowing configuration options were automatically updated: >>> >>> Disk: 137438MB WDC WD1600AAJB-00PVA0 >>> CD-ROM: CDD-1480 >> >> >> >> Okay, the ubuntu installer sees it as a 160 GB hard drive. >> Nevertheless, it's only discovered /dev/sda which means it doesn't >> see the second hard drive at all. I guess I'll have to open the box >> and re-check the jumpering (?)... > > > I'm fine - the IDE cable was a little loose from the hard drive. These > modest revelations are both embarassing and happy-making. I'm at the 'Prepare Partitions' screen of the ubuntu installer. When am I going to be oferred the opportunity to set up RAID? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 21:46:26 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:46:26 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <475860EB.2060506-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> <20071206160908.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> <47584166.2090506@chrisaitken.net> <475860EB.2060506@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47586DB2.30605@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Chris Aitken wrote: >> >> >> >>> Okay, I set Master and Slave on each IDE cable. I'm starting up the >>> computer now (I'm installing ubuntu 7.10). The first thing I see is, >>> >>> The folowing configuration options were automatically updated: >>> >>> Disk: 137438MB WDC WD1600AAJB-00PVA0 >>> CD-ROM: CDD-1480 >> >> >> >> Okay, the ubuntu installer sees it as a 160 GB hard drive. >> Nevertheless, it's only discovered /dev/sda which means it doesn't >> see the second hard drive at all. I guess I'll have to open the box >> and re-check the jumpering (?)... > > > I'm fine - the IDE cable was a little loose from the hard drive. These > modest revelations are both embarassing and happy-making. While we're at it, does anyone have suggestions as to how I should carve up the drive (/, /home, /var et al.)? I'm going to be multitrack recording with audacity, and I'll have maybe a hundred songs (.ogg) as well. OO, printing, and all the other usual suspects. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 21:58:49 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: OT: Short time apartment or room in Toronto, *nix friendly ? Message-ID: This is a little bit off topic, but I plan to stay in Toronto for 1-2 months, visiting relatives and having a look-see, and I'd like to rent a room in a *nix friendly apartment if possible. I have no idea how to go about it. Maybe someone here could help me with this ? Any hints are welcome. I suppose that there is a billboard in the linux caffe but I can see no sign of it on the web. Also, what should I look out for ? By the way, I'm an older guy (40 this year), in case it matters. Private responses are ok, although I suspect that the list may be interested in this kind of information. thanks a lot, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 23:48:56 2007 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:48:56 -0500 Subject: OT OOXML: Your action is required: Contact SCC now! Message-ID: <47588A68.7070503@golden.net> OT but open standards are important to us ! I've already left a message tonight and will follow up tomorrow. I thought I would at least put this out there. Has anyone else participated ? Below is the message I received today: John Dear John Myshrall, You signed the OOXML petition, a movement backed now by more than 70.000 supporters worldwide. Our effort to influence the OOXML (Office Open XML) standardization process has been an astonishing success so far. We aim for at least 100.000 signatures in February when the Geneva Ballot Resolution Meeting (BRM) will convene with the aim to resolve comments. Microsoft is trying by all means to get its "standard" adopted without substantial changes despite of its thousands of officially reported technical flaws and the pre-existence of ISO 26300:2006 (OpenDocument, ODF) as the most appropriate international standard for the representation of office documents. By next Tuesday Dec 11 2007 delegates from your National Standards Body SCC who will participate in the BRM have to be announced to ISO. At least Portugal and Ireland will be represented by Microsoft. In many other countries, we know that Microsoft gold partners are proposing themselves as heads of national delegations. Many of them will prevail if we do not take action. Will you let Microsoft represent your country at Geneva and decide the future of OOXML? You can make a difference and call now SCC at +1-613-2383222 and help us to find out: a. Who will represent SCC on DIS 29500 at the Ballot Resolution Meeting in Geneva? b. When will the decision on delegates be made and if SCC is aware of the Dec 11 deadline? c. Does your national delegates for the BRM are independent enough from Microsoft? d. Does the responsible Committee of SCC for DIS 29500 work on resolution proposals for all the 3500 comments tabled or - if at all - only for the national comments that they submitted? Please report your findings by replying to this email, we will update this page with the members of each national delegation: http://www.noooxml.org/brm More things that you can do to help our effort against this broken standard proposal: 1. Join our mailing list and get in touch with many other activists: http://lists.ffii.org/mailman/listinfo/noooxml-club 2. Become a member of FFII, the worldwide association leading the OOXML campaign: http://action.ffii.org/member_application 3. Become a member of DIGISTAN, the organization for the promotion of true digital open standards worldwide; please indicate your interests to: members-DU1tccMtIOpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org 4. Blog about OOXML which shapes the public debate; blogging has been instrumental to our success in Sweden for example; 5. support our campaign work with financial means: http://www.noooxml.org/donations Best regards, -- Benjamin Henrion OOXML Campaign leader -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 02:12:00 2007 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:12:00 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <47581232.9030806@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071207021200.GA12406@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 01:57:20PM -0500, Robert Brockway wrote: > 1. It isn't as difficult as you probably think it is. On Linux we have > LTSP (http://www.ltsp.org). which greatly simplifies the process. Most > major distros already include LTSP. There can be a few little "gotchas" > just like any other reasonably complex application. Fortunately there is > great mailing list & irc help as always with open source apps. Most > problems seem to revolve around configuring TFTP ot DHCP (the underlying > boot technologies). For most people, this is how they see it... - When you boot from "live CD", then you're doing some sort of "thin client". It is slow. - To do "thin client" properly, you have to do PXE network boot, NFS root mount, etc. And, that's more hassle than average person can handle. - If you have only one computer (how most people start off), then you can't do "thin client". - Once you need more computers, commodity PC is all they know and are comfortable with. - Because you need server and client, whenever one changes, you have to corresponding changes to the other. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 02:25:24 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:25:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <20071207021200.GA12406-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <47581232.9030806@chrisaitken.net> <20071207021200.GA12406@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: Hi William. > For most people, this is how they see it... > - When you boot from "live CD", then you're doing some sort of "thin > client". It is slow. A live CD isn't any more related to a thin client system that a HDD based system. Both can act as thin clients given the right configuration but normally aren't used that way. > - To do "thin client" properly, you have to do PXE network boot, > NFS root mount, etc. And, that's more hassle than average person > can handle. Depends who the "average person" is here. For the average member of GTALUG it may be viable. For someone who knows little about computers - they'd need someone to help them out. Maybe that will change in the future. > - If you have only one computer (how most people start off), then > you can't do "thin client". Many homes now have multiple computers and a LAN. This is going to become more common over time. > - Once you need more computers, commodity PC is all they know and > are comfortable with. Yep. The biggest problem is they simply don't know anything except the workstation paradigm. > - Because you need server and client, whenever one changes, you have > to corresponding changes to the other. Not really - the client boots from PXE (or something else) as you note above. The client config comes directly from the server. Upgrade the server s/w and the client s/w goes with it. Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 02:35:03 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:35:03 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <47586DB2.30605-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> <20071206160908.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> <47584166.2090506@chrisaitken.net> <475860EB.2060506@chrisaitken.net> <47586DB2.30605@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <4758B157.9010909@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Chris Aitken wrote: >> >>> Chris Aitken wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Okay, I set Master and Slave on each IDE cable. I'm starting up the >>>> computer now (I'm installing ubuntu 7.10). The first thing I see is, >>>> >>>> The folowing configuration options were automatically updated: >>>> >>>> Disk: 137438MB WDC WD1600AAJB-00PVA0 >>>> CD-ROM: CDD-1480 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Okay, the ubuntu installer sees it as a 160 GB hard drive. >>> Nevertheless, it's only discovered /dev/sda which means it doesn't >>> see the second hard drive at all. I guess I'll have to open the box >>> and re-check the jumpering (?)... >> >> >> >> I'm fine - the IDE cable was a little loose from the hard drive. >> These modest revelations are both embarassing and happy-making. > > > While we're at it, does anyone have suggestions as to how I should > carve up the drive (/, /home, /var et al.)? > > I'm going to be multitrack recording with audacity, and I'll have > maybe a hundred songs (.ogg) as well. OO, printing, and all the other > usual suspects. I did a little searching on the Internet - it seems that to set up software RAID 1 you partition both hard drives the same (even making them both bootable) and then choose "physical volumes for RAID". Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 02:58:27 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:58:27 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <4758B157.9010909-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> <20071206160908.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> <47584166.2090506@chrisaitken.net> <475860EB.2060506@chrisaitken.net> <47586DB2.30605@chrisaitken.net> <4758B157.9010909@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <4758B6D3.5060108@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > I did a little searching on the Internet - it seems that to set up > software RAID 1 you partition both hard drives the same (even making > them both bootable) and then choose "physical volumes for RAID". I'm stalled in the ubuntu installer. About five screens into the installation I get a "Starting up the Partitioner" status bar. The status bar immediately climbs to 46% then is stuck there. These are two brand-new 160 GB hard disk drives - I don't think I have enough information to know if one of them is bad. I did the integrity check on the installation CD - it's fine. Any other ideas? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 02:56:27 2007 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:56:27 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <47581232.9030806@chrisaitken.net> <20071207021200.GA12406@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20071207025627.GA13098@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:25:24PM -0500, Robert Brockway wrote: > > - Because you need server and client, whenever one changes, you > > have to corresponding changes to the other. > > Not really - the client boots from PXE (or something else) as you note > above. The client config comes directly from the server. Upgrade the > server s/w and the client s/w goes with it. Hi Robert, Software is easy... X on the client, and XDM/KDM/GDM on the server. Once it's configured and running, then it's practically bullet-proof turn-key solution. Hardware is tricky. For example, if you buy a new PC to be used as client, then you have to make sure the kernel has support for the new machine's chipsets, network driver, NFS driver, and everything needed to mount the (NFS) root device. If not, then re-compile. What if the new video chipset is not supported by X? What if the kernel doesn't support the new Intel i9900 chipset? Of course, the counter-argument is buy motherboard with the same chipset as the old machine. But, retail stores have their own ideas as to what to stock. And, if you try to order, you find that the 1-year old board is already out-of-production. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 03:12:22 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:12:22 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <4758B6D3.5060108-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> <20071206160908.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> <47584166.2090506@chrisaitken.net> <475860EB.2060506@chrisaitken.net> <47586DB2.30605@chrisaitken.net> <4758B157.9010909@chrisaitken.net> <4758B6D3.5060108@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <4758BA16.4000504@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > I'm stalled in the ubuntu installer. About five screens into the > installation I get a "Starting up the Partitioner" status bar. The > status bar immediately climbs to 46% then is stuck there. These are > two brand-new 160 GB hard disk drives - I don't think I have enough > information to know if one of them is bad. I did the integrity check > on the installation CD - it's fine. Someone wrote/posted a step-by-step how to install ubuntu 7.10 from the "Altenate Install CD" in a RAID 1 configuration. I'm downloading the Alternate Install CD now. I'm going to give it a try. Maybe it won't stall at the Partitioner. > > Any other ideas? > > Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 03:32:06 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:32:06 -0500 Subject: OT: Short time apartment or room in Toronto, *nix friendly ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a97ef0712061932j77a40ef8iec466fe86146a5e8@mail.gmail.com> THere's still a room available in the place I'm staying. How much did you want to pay? I think it's like $650 and it's right by the Sherbourne subway station, fairly close to town etc etc. Not really much for parking though if you've got a car. The place used to be a B&B, so there are 3 floors. 2 people other than myself on this floor, the one is quiet and kinda keeps to himself, while the other is friendly but out fairly often. Free wireless... works OK but sometimes slow (today is a good day), or you can leech off of faster nearby open connections. maybe some more specifics on what you're looking for would help? On Dec 6, 2007 4:58 PM, Peter P. wrote: > This is a little bit off topic, but I plan to stay in Toronto for 1-2 months, > visiting relatives and having a look-see, and I'd like to rent a room in a *nix > friendly apartment if possible. I have no idea how to go about it. Maybe someone > here could help me with this ? Any hints are welcome. I suppose that there is a > billboard in the linux caffe but I can see no sign of it on the web. Also, what > should I look out for ? By the way, I'm an older guy (40 this year), in case it > matters. Private responses are ok, although I suspect that the list may be > interested in this kind of information. > > thanks a lot, > Peter > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 477-1784 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 22:59:51 2007 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:59:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sacrilege? Message-ID: How far can you hit a penguin? -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 03:44:25 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:44:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <20071207025627.GA13098-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <47581232.9030806@chrisaitken.net> <20071207021200.GA12406@node1.opengeometry.net> <20071207025627.GA13098@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, William Park wrote: > Hardware is tricky. For example, if you buy a new PC to be used as > client, then you have to make sure the kernel has support for the new > machine's chipsets, network driver, NFS driver, and everything needed to > mount the (NFS) root device. If not, then re-compile. What if the new > video chipset is not supported by X? What if the kernel doesn't support > the new Intel i9900 chipset? Hi William. If someone really did want to buy a new machine to use as a terminal[1] then the H/W detection problems are going to be independent of the machine's use as a terminal. Run it as a workstation or server with the same version of the kernel and you'll encounter exactly the same problems. Thus H/W detection is not a problem related to the use of thin client technologies. I've found this sort of thing is really not much of a problem in practice. Autodetection of both Linux and X has improved to the point there are few practical problems. When older machines are used as terminals their chipsets tend to be well supported. True thin clients tend to be made from widely distributed chips (not the latest and greatest). [1] Not a great idea. Buy a true thin client instead. Even the lowest spec of a desktop box is well beyond what is required for a thin client. Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 04:20:13 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 23:20:13 -0500 Subject: Sacrilege? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200712062320.17738.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On December 6, 2007 05:59:51 pm Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > How far can you hit a penguin? > > I just hit 288.6m! Beat that! Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 05:12:31 2007 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:12:31 -0500 Subject: Penguin toss 311 In-Reply-To: <200712062320.17738.jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200712062320.17738.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: 311 Jamon Camisso wrote: > On December 6, 2007 05:59:51 pm Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > >> How far can you hit a penguin? >> >> >> > > I just hit 288.6m! Beat that! > > Jamon > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 05:56:44 2007 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:56:44 -0500 Subject: Sacrilege? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071207005644.d3cb5b1b.gstrom@teksavvy.com> On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:59:51 -0500 (EST) "Chris F.A. Johnson" wrote: > > How far can you hit a penguin? > > > 317.3 -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 07:56:21 2007 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 02:56:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sacrilege? In-Reply-To: <200712062320.17738.jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200712062320.17738.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On December 6, 2007 05:59:51 pm Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: >> How far can you hit a penguin? >> >> > > I just hit 288.6m! Beat that! My best is 317.2; usually 250 - 300. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 08:42:51 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 03:42:51 -0500 Subject: Penguin toss 311 In-Reply-To: References: <200712062320.17738.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4759078B.3080407@telly.org> I'm more proud of my 377.7 score in Orca Slap on the same site; it's more challenging IMO and all those little wiggling penguin butts are just too weird. http://www.agame.com/game/orca-slap.html - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 14:24:38 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:24:38 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <4758BA16.4000504-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> <20071206160908.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> <47584166.2090506@chrisaitken.net> <475860EB.2060506@chrisaitken.net> <47586DB2.30605@chrisaitken.net> <4758B157.9010909@chrisaitken.net> <4758B6D3.5060108@chrisaitken.net> <4758BA16.4000504@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <475957A6.2030900@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > >> I'm stalled in the ubuntu installer. About five screens into the >> installation I get a "Starting up the Partitioner" status bar. The >> status bar immediately climbs to 46% then is stuck there. These are >> two brand-new 160 GB hard disk drives - I don't think I have enough >> information to know if one of them is bad. I did the integrity check >> on the installation CD - it's fine. > > > Someone wrote/posted a step-by-step how to install ubuntu 7.10 from > the "Altenate Install CD" in a RAID 1 configuration. I'm downloading > the Alternate Install CD now. I'm going to give it a try. Maybe it > won't stall at the Partitioner. It looks like the ubuntu installation is going okay. I did the RAID stuff. Before that, I actually installed fedora 7 from the live cd as I was having trouble with the ubuntu installation. That way I could try out my new understanding of setting up software RAID. And it gave me an installation with which I could download/burn the .iso for ubuntu Alternate Install CD. That is the CD I am installing with now. The concepts as I understand them are: 1. Make two identical partition schemes on the two hard disks (with only two parameters: size and 'physical volume for RAID'), 2. 'Configure software RAID', 3. Make the MD devices (three in my case: /, , and /home), and, finally, 4. Choose filesystem and mount point for each "partition" (MD device). I shant get too cocky though - for the second attempt at installation I seem to be stuck at 'Select and Install Software...6%' just liek I was in the first attempt. The CD-ROM drive and hard drive are just thrashing about. Painful to watch. I guess I'll leave it alone for an hour and if it costs me a CD-ROM drive, so be it. I wonder if the burn speed (for the ubuntu Alternate Install CD) was too fast for the 48x CD-ROM drive to read it (if that makes any sense). I know the CD is fine because it passed the integrity check... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 16:05:37 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:05:37 -0500 Subject: The case against OLPC? Message-ID: <47596F51.5000208@telly.org> I usually think John Dvorak is a headline-grabbing crank, but this latest column rang true with sentiments that simply won't leave my head. Isn't the whole idea of "let's give the developing world little computers" a kind of rich-person's feel-good thinking, when so much of the world doesn't even have enough to eat? Is the OLPC going to fix literacy rates without teachers or books? IMO Dvorak goes too far in calling the OLPC little more than an ad-delivery device, and the project's very existence is driving a whole new genre of small, cheap and mostly Linux-based computers. But his core point -- about the OLPC being a kind of cultural imperialism, offering computers to societies that need food, books, clean water, jobs and safety -- is hard to shake. Perhaps the OLPC isn't really designed for the poorest countries, and should be concentrated in places -- such as Brazil and Malaysia -- where basic needs are (generally) met and computer literacy is a _next_ step. But that's not how the program is being promoted. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2227850,00.asp What do you think? - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 16:22:22 2007 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:22:22 -0500 Subject: The case against OLPC? In-Reply-To: <47596F51.5000208-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47596F51.5000208@telly.org> Message-ID: On Dec 7, 2007 11:05 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I usually think John Dvorak is a headline-grabbing crank, but this > latest column rang true with sentiments that simply won't leave my head. > > Isn't the whole idea of "let's give the developing world little > computers" a kind of rich-person's feel-good thinking, when so much of > the world doesn't even have enough to eat? > > Is the OLPC going to fix literacy rates without teachers or books? > > IMO Dvorak goes too far in calling the OLPC little more than an > ad-delivery device, and the project's very existence is driving a whole > new genre of small, cheap and mostly Linux-based computers. But his core > point -- about the OLPC being a kind of cultural imperialism, offering > computers to societies that need food, books, clean water, jobs and > safety -- is hard to shake. > > Perhaps the OLPC isn't really designed for the poorest countries, and > should be concentrated in places -- such as Brazil and Malaysia -- where > basic needs are (generally) met and computer literacy is a _next_ step. > But that's not how the program is being promoted. > > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2227850,00.asp > > What do you think? I enjoy sarcasm when it's cheeky -- like The Inquirer [1], The Register [2] or Valleywag [3]. Sarcasm begins to wear on me when it's bitter, as John Dvorak has always been since I first read his column in the mid-80's in InfoWorld. I think Mr. Dvorak just doesn't get the goal of OLPC -- it's to educate. With education comes growth, and with growth, prosperity. I guess. I'm not a 'visionary politician', just some guy working to provide for his family and enjoying doing cool stuff with technology. I think it's the '.. teach a man to fish ..' [4] idea, is all. C'mon John, cheer up! -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb 1. http://www.theinquirer.net/ 2. http://www.theregister.co.uk/ 3. http://valleywag.com/ 4. http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/2279.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 16:29:36 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:29:36 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <475957A6.2030900-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> <20071206160908.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> <47584166.2090506@chrisaitken.net> <475860EB.2060506@chrisaitken.net> <47586DB2.30605@chrisaitken.net> <4758B157.9010909@chrisaitken.net> <4758B6D3.5060108@chrisaitken.net> <4758BA16.4000504@chrisaitken.net> <475957A6.2030900@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <475974F0.2000608@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Chris Aitken wrote: >> >> >> >>> I'm stalled in the ubuntu installer. About five screens into the >>> installation I get a "Starting up the Partitioner" status bar. The >>> status bar immediately climbs to 46% then is stuck there. These are >>> two brand-new 160 GB hard disk drives - I don't think I have enough >>> information to know if one of them is bad. I did the integrity check >>> on the installation CD - it's fine. >> >> >> >> Someone wrote/posted a step-by-step how to install ubuntu 7.10 from >> the "Altenate Install CD" in a RAID 1 configuration. I'm downloading >> the Alternate Install CD now. I'm going to give it a try. Maybe it >> won't stall at the Partitioner. > > > It looks like the ubuntu installation is going okay. I did the RAID > stuff. Before that, I actually installed fedora 7 from the live cd as > I was having trouble with the ubuntu installation. That way I could > try out my new understanding of setting up software RAID. And it gave > me an installation with which I could download/burn the .iso for > ubuntu Alternate Install CD. That is the CD I am installing with now. > The concepts as I understand them are: 1. Make two identical partition > schemes on the two hard disks (with only two parameters: size and > 'physical volume for RAID'), 2. 'Configure software RAID', 3. Make the > MD devices (three in my case: /, , and /home), and, finally, 4. > Choose filesystem and mount point for each "partition" (MD device). > > I shant get too cocky though - for the second attempt at installation > I seem to be stuck at 'Select and Install Software...6%' just like I > was in the first attempt. > The CD-ROM drive and hard drive are just thrashing about. Painful to > watch. I guess I'll leave it alone for an hour and if it costs me a > CD-ROM drive, so be it. Actually I only had to leave it alone for 15 minutes and the installation proceeded. The installation is complete now. I noticed the installer didn't let me make any software installation choices - I guess it knows what's good for me. Going back to the step-by-step I was following, I'm now advised to do this (so that the second hard drive will boot should the first hard drive crash): sudo grub-install /dev/sda sudo grub grub> device (hd0) /dev/sdb grub> root (hd0,0) grub> setup (hd0) grub> quit Is this wise counsel? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 16:35:04 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:35:04 -0500 Subject: The case against OLPC? In-Reply-To: <47596F51.5000208-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47596F51.5000208@telly.org> Message-ID: <200712071135.10989.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On December 7, 2007 11:05:37 am Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I usually think John Dvorak is a headline-grabbing crank, but this > latest column rang true with sentiments that simply won't leave my > head. > > Isn't the whole idea of "let's give the developing world little > computers" a kind of rich-person's feel-good thinking, when so much > of the world doesn't even have enough to eat? > > Is the OLPC going to fix literacy rates without teachers or books? > > IMO Dvorak goes too far in calling the OLPC little more than an > ad-delivery device, and the project's very existence is driving a > whole new genre of small, cheap and mostly Linux-based computers. But > his core point -- about the OLPC being a kind of cultural > imperialism, offering computers to societies that need food, books, > clean water, jobs and safety -- is hard to shake. > > Perhaps the OLPC isn't really designed for the poorest countries, and > should be concentrated in places -- such as Brazil and Malaysia -- > where basic needs are (generally) met and computer literacy is a > _next_ step. But that's not how the program is being promoted. > > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2227850,00.asp > > What do you think? I think that any technology designed to address social and economic problems will *usually* fail, since technology is only a tool to some particular end, not an end in and of itself. I too agree to some extent that we're embedding our ideology into the systems. But to call that an imposition is a little far fetched. Consider that all the countries signed on to the project are purchasing the units (for whatever the cost), and are not the world's poorest: http://www.olpcnews.com/countries/ Moreover, those countries will hopefully not just hand the things out. Rather, I think most have some sort of plan to integrate the units with existing educational strategies. So I hardly call that imperialism. Perhaps mcfletch can give a better explanation than my cursory one here as I'm not that well informed. Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 16:44:51 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:44:51 -0500 Subject: The case against OLPC? In-Reply-To: <47596F51.5000208-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47596F51.5000208@telly.org> Message-ID: <7ac602420712070844i178d9bc9t61f16b0b829870c0@mail.gmail.com> Perhaps it is imperialism, but I think the guy that came up with the OLPC has defended his choice (of computers over books or food) by pointing out that he's a technologist and this is how he knows how to help. He's left it up to other, very capable organizations to handle the other needs of the developing world. I haven't followed the OLPC project very much, so maybe I have my facts wrong, but I think the project has taken a pretty realistic perspective when designing the machine--it has to work in conditions under which many other machines (computers or otherwise) would fail miserably--so I don't think the project leaders are out of touch with the environment in which the machines are supposed to be deployed. They may be a touch idealistic, or perhaps even imperialistic, but they're not out of touch. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 17:08:26 2007 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:08:26 -0500 Subject: The case against OLPC? In-Reply-To: <47596F51.5000208-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47596F51.5000208@telly.org> Message-ID: Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I usually think John Dvorak is a headline-grabbing crank, but this > latest column rang true with sentiments that simply won't leave my head. > > Isn't the whole idea of "let's give the developing world little > computers" a kind of rich-person's feel-good thinking, when so much of > the world doesn't even have enough to eat? > > Is the OLPC going to fix literacy rates without teachers or books? Part of the business case for OLPC is that it replaces the printing and distribution of textbooks. The cost of an XO is equivalent to the cost of providing textbooks for four years or so. There are extra benefits like the ability to distribute up-to-date e-texts through the network without worrying about inventory of books, inventory of obsolete books, etc. > IMO Dvorak goes too far in calling the OLPC little more than an > ad-delivery device, Hardly blame him. That's the North American model for about every personal computer there is. Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 17:45:20 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:45:20 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <47586DB2.30605-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> <20071206160908.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> <47584166.2090506@chrisaitken.net> <475860EB.2060506@chrisaitken.net> <47586DB2.30605@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071207174520.GQ2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 04:46:26PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > While we're at it, does anyone have suggestions as to how I should carve > up the drive (/, /home, /var et al.)? > > I'm going to be multitrack recording with audacity, and I'll have maybe > a hundred songs (.ogg) as well. OO, printing, and all the other usual > suspects. Personally I do: / 20GB LVM the rest Then in LVM I create: some swap /home (whatver I think my user account will need, so usually 10 or 20GB) /data (everything else which is where I store lots of things and where I point /var/lib/postgres if I run a database, and various other things. Perhaps I ought to just call it /var and be done with it) Using LVM makes it easy to resize later if needed, and to add more space later if you need it by adding more disks to the LVM and expanding existing volumes. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 17:49:06 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:49:06 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <475957A6.2030900-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> <20071206160908.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> <47584166.2090506@chrisaitken.net> <475860EB.2060506@chrisaitken.net> <47586DB2.30605@chrisaitken.net> <4758B157.9010909@chrisaitken.net> <4758B6D3.5060108@chrisaitken.net> <4758BA16.4000504@chrisaitken.net> <475957A6.2030900@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071207174906.GR2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 09:24:38AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > It looks like the ubuntu installation is going okay. I did the RAID > stuff. Before that, I actually installed fedora 7 from the live cd as I > was having trouble with the ubuntu installation. That way I could try > out my new understanding of setting up software RAID. And it gave me an > installation with which I could download/burn the .iso for ubuntu > Alternate Install CD. That is the CD I am installing with now. The > concepts as I understand them are: 1. Make two identical partition > schemes on the two hard disks (with only two parameters: size and > 'physical volume for RAID'), 2. 'Configure software RAID', 3. Make the > MD devices (three in my case: /, , and /home), and, finally, 4. > Choose filesystem and mount point for each "partition" (MD device). > > I shant get too cocky though - for the second attempt at installation I > seem to be stuck at 'Select and Install Software...6%' just liek I was > in the first attempt. > The CD-ROM drive and hard drive are just thrashing about. Painful to > watch. I guess I'll leave it alone for an hour and if it costs me a > CD-ROM drive, so be it. I wonder if the burn speed (for the ubuntu > Alternate Install CD) was too fast for the 48x CD-ROM drive to read it > (if that makes any sense). I know the CD is fine because it passed the > integrity check... I wonder if you have a badly burned disk, or your cd driver is failing. As for partitions i tend to do simply: /dev/sda1 and sdb1 20GB (for /root raid) /dev/sda2 and sdb2 the rest (for LVM's raid) Then I assign the two raid1's and make then assign the large raid as physical volume for LVM, then slice up the LVM stuff, and then assign the first raid for root fs. Ext3 everywhere of course. If you want /usr seperate, then reduce the size of the root partition a lot and make a /usr area in the LVM instead. Similarly for /var. The root filesystem could probably be 1GB if you make /usr and /var use seperate volumes instead of being part of /. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 17:50:52 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:50:52 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <475974F0.2000608-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20071206160908.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> <47584166.2090506@chrisaitken.net> <475860EB.2060506@chrisaitken.net> <47586DB2.30605@chrisaitken.net> <4758B157.9010909@chrisaitken.net> <4758B6D3.5060108@chrisaitken.net> <4758BA16.4000504@chrisaitken.net> <475957A6.2030900@chrisaitken.net> <475974F0.2000608@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071207175052.GS2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 11:29:36AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Actually I only had to leave it alone for 15 minutes and the > installation proceeded. The installation is complete now. I noticed the > installer didn't let me make any software installation choices - I guess > it knows what's good for me. Going back to the step-by-step I was > following, I'm now advised to do this (so that the second hard drive > will boot should the first hard drive crash): > > sudo grub-install /dev/sda > sudo grub > grub> device (hd0) /dev/sdb > grub> root (hd0,0) > grub> setup (hd0) > grub> quit > > Is this wise counsel? Sounds reasonable. I must admit I just do: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 Copies the partition table and master boot record and everything in the first sector completely. Always worked for me. It does NOT work if you have extended partitions however. I never use those anymore though since LVM is way better. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 17:54:54 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:54:54 -0500 Subject: OT: Short time apartment or room in Toronto, *nix friendly ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071207175454.GT2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:58:49PM +0000, Peter P. wrote: > This is a little bit off topic, but I plan to stay in Toronto for 1-2 months, > visiting relatives and having a look-see, and I'd like to rent a room in a *nix > friendly apartment if possible. I have no idea how to go about it. Maybe someone > here could help me with this ? Any hints are welcome. I suppose that there is a > billboard in the linux caffe but I can see no sign of it on the web. Also, what > should I look out for ? By the way, I'm an older guy (40 this year), in case it > matters. Private responses are ok, although I suspect that the list may be > interested in this kind of information. 40 makes you an older guy? That's only 25% older than me, and I don't think I am getting old yet. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 18:25:11 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:25:11 -0500 Subject: The case against OLPC? In-Reply-To: <47596F51.5000208-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47596F51.5000208@telly.org> Message-ID: <20071207182511.GU2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 11:05:37AM -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I usually think John Dvorak is a headline-grabbing crank, but this > latest column rang true with sentiments that simply won't leave my head. > > Isn't the whole idea of "let's give the developing world little > computers" a kind of rich-person's feel-good thinking, when so much of > the world doesn't even have enough to eat? > > Is the OLPC going to fix literacy rates without teachers or books? > > IMO Dvorak goes too far in calling the OLPC little more than an > ad-delivery device, and the project's very existence is driving a whole > new genre of small, cheap and mostly Linux-based computers. But his core > point -- about the OLPC being a kind of cultural imperialism, offering > computers to societies that need food, books, clean water, jobs and > safety -- is hard to shake. > > Perhaps the OLPC isn't really designed for the poorest countries, and > should be concentrated in places -- such as Brazil and Malaysia -- where > basic needs are (generally) met and computer literacy is a _next_ step. > But that's not how the program is being promoted. > > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2227850,00.asp > > What do you think? I think John Dvorak is in idiot and no longer read anything he writes, nor anything in the magazines he writes for. As for the OLPC, I am not sure. I have even heard opinions that food aid is a bad idea because it in some cases (supposedly many) is just spent buying weapons rather than feeding the intended people, and that not giving the food aid would make those weapons not get bought and actually let them stop dealing with war and start dealing with feedin themselves again. Having not been to any of these places I have no idea if that is true or not. The OLPC seems less likely to be convertible into weapons than food does, so perhaps it is actually a better thing to give people. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 19:34:03 2007 From: jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:34:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sacrilege? In-Reply-To: <44873.66.11.182.5.1197003169.squirrel-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A@public.gmane.org> References: <44873.66.11.182.5.1197003169.squirrel@canuckster.org> Message-ID: <45008.66.11.182.5.1197056043.squirrel@canuckster.org> >> >> How far can you hit a penguin? > 322.9 > >> >> >> -- >> Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster >> ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== >> Author: >> Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 19:47:22 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:47:22 -0500 Subject: The case against OLPC? In-Reply-To: <20071207182511.GU2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47596F51.5000208@telly.org> <20071207182511.GU2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20071207144722.02acf84a@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 11:05:37AM -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > I usually think John Dvorak is a headline-grabbing crank, but this > > latest column rang true with sentiments that simply won't leave my head. > > > > Isn't the whole idea of "let's give the developing world little > > computers" a kind of rich-person's feel-good thinking, when so much of > > the world doesn't even have enough to eat? > > > > Is the OLPC going to fix literacy rates without teachers or books? > > > > IMO Dvorak goes too far in calling the OLPC little more than an > > ad-delivery device, and the project's very existence is driving a whole > > new genre of small, cheap and mostly Linux-based computers. But his core > > point -- about the OLPC being a kind of cultural imperialism, offering > > computers to societies that need food, books, clean water, jobs and > > safety -- is hard to shake. > > > > Perhaps the OLPC isn't really designed for the poorest countries, and > > should be concentrated in places -- such as Brazil and Malaysia -- where > > basic needs are (generally) met and computer literacy is a _next_ step. > > But that's not how the program is being promoted. > > > > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2227850,00.asp > > > > What do you think? > > I think John Dvorak is in idiot and no longer read anything he writes, > nor anything in the magazines he writes for. > > As for the OLPC, I am not sure. I have even heard opinions that food > aid is a bad idea because it in some cases (supposedly many) is just > spent buying weapons rather than feeding the intended people, and that > not giving the food aid would make those weapons not get bought and > actually let them stop dealing with war and start dealing with feedin > themselves again. Having not been to any of these places I have no idea > if that is true or not. The OLPC seems less likely to be convertible > into weapons than food does, so perhaps it is actually a better thing to > give people. You've raised a very interesting point, at least for me: there's no shortage of opinions on food aid and the like, no one ever wants to bring up the fact we're sending over boatloads of weapons. Yes, I said 'we' because Canada is in fact complicit in this trade. This whole debate is another example of how those who try to good work are held to a much higher standard than those who do evil. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: Oh... your... God. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The installation is complete now. I noticed the >>installer didn't let me make any software installation choices - I guess >>it knows what's good for me. Going back to the step-by-step I was >>following, I'm now advised to do this (so that the second hard drive >>will boot should the first hard drive crash): >> >>sudo grub-install /dev/sda >>sudo grub >>grub> device (hd0) /dev/sdb >>grub> root (hd0,0) >>grub> setup (hd0) >>grub> quit >> >>Is this wise counsel? >> >> > >Sounds reasonable. I must admit I just do: >dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 > > Okay - I'm trying that now. I'm getting 'Authentication Failure' trying to 'su'. I had that problem the first time I installed ubuntu (on antoher system) - it finally settled down and accepted my regular user password. Why is this a cryptic thing in ubuntu? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 19:59:07 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:59:07 -0500 Subject: OT: Short time apartment or room in Toronto, *nix friendly ? In-Reply-To: <20071207175454.GT2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20071207175454.GT2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20071207145907.2eb2d064@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:58:49PM +0000, Peter P. wrote: > > This is a little bit off topic, but I plan to stay in Toronto for 1-2 > > months, visiting relatives and having a look-see, and I'd like to rent a > > room in a *nix friendly apartment if possible. I have no idea how to go > > about it. Maybe someone here could help me with this ? Any hints are > > welcome. I suppose that there is a billboard in the linux caffe but I can > > see no sign of it on the web. Also, what should I look out for ? By the > > way, I'm an older guy (40 this year), in case it matters. Private responses > > are ok, although I suspect that the list may be interested in this kind of > > information. > > 40 makes you an older guy? That's only 25% older than me, and I don't > think I am getting old yet. :) Wait til you're 40 ;) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Leela: Bender, why are you spending so much time in the bathroom? Are you jacking on in there? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 20:09:28 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:09:28 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <4759A62E.8090407-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47584166.2090506@chrisaitken.net> <475860EB.2060506@chrisaitken.net> <47586DB2.30605@chrisaitken.net> <4758B157.9010909@chrisaitken.net> <4758B6D3.5060108@chrisaitken.net> <4758BA16.4000504@chrisaitken.net> <475957A6.2030900@chrisaitken.net> <475974F0.2000608@chrisaitken.net> <20071207175052.GS2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4759A62E.8090407@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071207200928.GV2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 02:59:42PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Okay - I'm trying that now. I'm getting 'Authentication Failure' trying > to 'su'. I had that problem the first time I installed ubuntu (on > antoher system) - it finally settled down and accepted my regular user > password. Why is this a cryptic thing in ubuntu? Try sudo. I think by default ubuntu runs root with no password set (meaning there is no way to login as root directly, not that the password is blank). sudo is then setup to allow the first user created to do root things. So 'sudo bash', should get a root shell. You could then set a password for root if desired using the 'passwd root' command. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 20:31:48 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:31:48 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <20071207200928.GV2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47584166.2090506@chrisaitken.net> <475860EB.2060506@chrisaitken.net> <47586DB2.30605@chrisaitken.net> <4758B157.9010909@chrisaitken.net> <4758B6D3.5060108@chrisaitken.net> <4758BA16.4000504@chrisaitken.net> <475957A6.2030900@chrisaitken.net> <475974F0.2000608@chrisaitken.net> <20071207175052.GS2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4759A62E.8090407@chrisaitken.net> <20071207200928.GV2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4759ADB4.9070801@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 02:59:42PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > >>Okay - I'm trying that now. I'm getting 'Authentication Failure' trying >>to 'su'. I had that problem the first time I installed ubuntu (on >>antoher system) - it finally settled down and accepted my regular user >>password. Why is this a cryptic thing in ubuntu? >> >> > >Try sudo. > >I think by default ubuntu runs root with no password set (meaning there >is no way to login as root directly, not that the password is blank). >sudo is then setup to allow the first user created to do root things. > >So 'sudo bash', should get a root shell. You could then set a password >for root if desired using the 'passwd root' command. > > Okay, that worked, but, of course I didn't have to enter 'passwd root'. 'passwd' was sufficient as, I guess, your 'sudo bash' command kinda makes me root (?). Anyway, I'm fine now - thanks. Chris >-- >Len Sorensen >-- > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 22:56:15 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:56:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT OOXML: Your action is required: Contact SCC now! In-Reply-To: <47588A68.7070503-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <47588A68.7070503@golden.net> Message-ID: | From: John Myshrall | Reply-To: | To: | Subject: [TLUG]: OT OOXML: Your action is required: Contact SCC now! | | OT but open standards are important to us ! | | I've already left a message tonight and will follow up tomorrow. I thought I | would at least put this out there. | | Has anyone else participated ? Do update us. In particular, tell us (the lazy) how to give a push the right way before Tuesday. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 23:24:57 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:24:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: | From: Robert Brockway | The thin client currently on my desk was USD279. Dedicated thin clients | can easily be had for half this price. This one came from | www.disklessworkstations.com (which I have no affiliation with except | being a customer). Thanks for the link. None of those have good enough video for me. The one with the nicest form factor supports at most 1280x1024 (32 bit). The one with the best video seems to support up to 1600x1200 (16 bit). Neither lists resolutions suitable for "wide screen" monitors that seem to be taking over the world. My desk has a 1920x1200 LCD and a 2560x1600 LCD. Most PCs out of the box support 1920x1200 and most recent video cards support 2560x1600 ("dual link" DVI). For C$300, with careful shopping, you can get a current PC with things that sound valuable and surely did add to the cost of production: - DVD writer - 320G hard drive - 1G of RAM - MS Windows Vista - 2GHz processor - lots of interfaces, including ethernet and VGA It makes the more expensive diskless workstation look overpriced. If there were a comparable market for diskless workstations surely there would be better prices and better choices. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 23:58:42 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:58:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Dec 2007, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Thanks for the link. No problem. > None of those have good enough video for me. The one with the nicest > form factor supports at most 1280x1024 (32 bit). The one with the > best video seems to support up to 1600x1200 (16 bit). Neither lists > resolutions suitable for "wide screen" monitors that seem to be taking > over the world. I doubt widescreen would be a problem. This is X afterall. I may be testing this hypothesis soon. > My desk has a 1920x1200 LCD and a 2560x1600 LCD. Most PCs out of the > box support 1920x1200 and most recent video cards support 2560x1600 > ("dual link" DVI). > > For C$300, with careful shopping, you can get a current PC with things > that sound valuable and surely did add to the cost of production: > - DVD writer > - 320G hard drive > - 1G of RAM > - MS Windows Vista > - 2GHz processor > - lots of interfaces, including ethernet and VGA > It makes the more expensive diskless workstation look overpriced. Most of the advantage of thin client comes after you purchase the system. Think about issues like: 1. Power consumption. 2. Heat output (particularly in summer) 3. Power consumption for cooling systems 4. Noise polution 5. What happens when your low end PC dies. How quickly will you be back working again? Remember a thin client system can afford to have a more reliable server. Don't compare 1 PC to 1 TC. Compare 2-4 units (in a home) or 50+ in an office. 6. Performance. You quote a PC with 1GB. Well you know what, in a home with 4 thin client the users can share a system with 4GB for a comparable price and enjoy better performance. Memory is consumed more efficiently on a modern multi-user operating system. The reality is a CPU is idle most of the time a person is using it (even between key strokes). Multiple users on a more powerful system can enjoy the full power of that system most of the time. This is a real win. The advantages go on and on. > If there were a comparable market for diskless workstations surely > there would be better prices and better choices. So many people are unaware that anything except the workstation paradigm is even possible that any alternative has been fighting an uphill battle for years. H/W manufacturers across the board have a vested interested i more H/W being produced. Despite this people are finally catching on and thin client is becoming more common. It's just happening 20 years after it should have happened (for reasons I mentioned earlier). The reality is computer hardware has become a huge and under-reported environment issue. It has also become a huge health issue in Asia where a lot of the equipments up. See there is a lot more to this than just getting good "bang for your buck". Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 23:56:56 2007 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:56:56 -0500 Subject: OT OOXML: Your action is required: Contact SCC now! In-Reply-To: References: <47588A68.7070503@golden.net> Message-ID: <4759DDC8.7060000@golden.net> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: John Myshrall > | Reply-To: > | To: > | Subject: [TLUG]: OT OOXML: Your action is required: Contact SCC now! > | > | OT but open standards are important to us ! > | > | I've already left a message tonight and will follow up tomorrow. I thought I > | would at least put this out there. > | > | Has anyone else participated ? > > Do update us. In particular, tell us (the lazy) how to give a push > the right way before Tuesday. > I received a message back today from "Dennis" at SCC. There is a delegation going however he had no details he said I could e-mail the program director. Her name is Roz Waddell. e-mail address is rwaddell-bQIvYHx8j8w at public.gmane.org I have e-mailed her. They don't have long to get this together. Canada voted "No" before and should continue to do so. It's alwful that all the new countries that signed on to solely vote for OOXML have stagnated the ISO process. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 8 13:11:09 2007 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 08:11:09 -0500 Subject: Canadian DMCA Won't Include Consumer Rights Message-ID: <475A97ED.9080301@pppoe.ca> From /., some links http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2443/125/ http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2446/125/ http://www.boingboing.net/2007/12/07/canadians-tomorrow-i.html Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 8 17:06:57 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 12:06:57 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <200712061613.54668.jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> <473c25250712061009h6da4bccelc2b55ba6cffe48ce@mail.gmail.com> <200712061613.54668.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20071208170657.GA2517@waltdnes.org> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 04:13:51PM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote > That and hard drive manufacturers have long measured sizes in decimal > representations of bytes instead of using base2 respresentations. Where > 1024^3 is 1,073,741,824 bytes, or 1gb like we're used to in terms of > file sizes, ram, etc., hdd manufacturers measure 1gb as 10^9 or > 1,000,000,000 bytes. > > So your 160gb drive in decimal works out to a maximum of 149.01gb. Actually, *EVERYBODY* used to use giga = 10^9, from the days of the French Revolution, until the computer industry hijacked the term. If you look up Schedule 1 Part V of the "Weights and Measures Act" at http://laws.justice.gc.ca you'll notice that it's the law of the land that giga = 10^9. The computer industry hasn't managed to completely hijack the term. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 8 18:08:20 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:08:20 -0500 Subject: OT: Lowcost webhosting in Canada? Message-ID: <20071208180820.GC2517@waltdnes.org> I'm pissed off enough at certain corporate practices that I want to set up a website/forum to expose them. A few pragmatic considerations... - I want hosting in Canada. IANAL, but I at least have a vague awareness of the Canadian legal environment. I'm a lot less aware of the US legal system. What I do know of it makes me want to keep my webhosting out of US jurisdiction, the land of the SLAPP suit. - A linux-based host would be nice. This isn't zealotry, but rather that linux is what I know. If I want to do any customization, I don't have to learn something entirely new. - Did I mention low-cost? If my site succeeds, it'll end up pissing off corporations, so I don't really expect much in the way of banner-ad revenue. - Are there any webhosting support forums out there that aren't 100% focussed on money, Google rank, money, link-exchanging, money, ad-revenue, and money? I'm thinking about stuff like the actual administration of a web forum, and customizing it, etc. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 8 18:22:17 2007 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:22:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Lowcost webhosting in Canada? In-Reply-To: <20071208180820.GC2517-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20071208180820.GC2517@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Walter Dnes wrote: > > - I want hosting in Canada. > > - A linux-based host would be nice. > > - Did I mention low-cost? I used to use www.liquidesign.ca, which seemed to be moderately low-cost, Canadian, linux (or maybe unix) based, and well-run, provided that the space (quota) they offer is large enough for what you need. I ended up switching to a US host, only due to space considerations -- otherwise I was quite happy with liquidesign. Alex > > -- > Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 > Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? > A. I think it would be a good idea. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 8 18:26:19 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:26:19 -0500 Subject: OT: Lowcost webhosting in Canada? In-Reply-To: <20071208180820.GC2517-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20071208180820.GC2517@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <475AE1CB.2090106@rogers.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > I'm pissed off enough at certain corporate practices that I want to > set up a website/forum to expose them. A few pragmatic considerations... > > - I want hosting in Canada. IANAL, but I at least have a vague > awareness of the Canadian legal environment. I'm a lot less aware > of the US legal system. What I do know of it makes me want to keep > my webhosting out of US jurisdiction, the land of the SLAPP suit. > > Does Sealand offer web hosting? Sealand is a WW2 gun platform off the coast of England. It is now considered it's own country and IIRC, they've offered certain services, free of foreign interference. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand#Legal_status_of_Sealand -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 8 20:31:41 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:31:41 -0500 Subject: OT: Lowcost webhosting in Canada? Message-ID: <475AFF2D.4090308@rogers.com> I've certainly been happy with the service that I have gotten from Nouvelocity. They are linux based and their servers are in downtown Toronto. http://nouvelocity.com/cgi-bin/nouvo.cgi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 8 20:47:53 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:47:53 -0500 Subject: OT: Short time apartment or room in Toronto, *nix friendly ? In-Reply-To: <20071207145907.2eb2d064-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071207175454.GT2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20071207145907.2eb2d064@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <3a97ef0712081247k6544d185ra9e1d7523b139f7a@mail.gmail.com> Well, the alternative to not getting any older isn't all that attractive either :-) On Dec 7, 2007 2:59 PM, JoeHill wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:58:49PM +0000, Peter P. wrote: > > > This is a little bit off topic, but I plan to stay in Toronto for 1-2 > > > months, visiting relatives and having a look-see, and I'd like to rent a > > > room in a *nix friendly apartment if possible. I have no idea how to go > > > about it. Maybe someone here could help me with this ? Any hints are > > > welcome. I suppose that there is a billboard in the linux caffe but I can > > > see no sign of it on the web. Also, what should I look out for ? By the > > > way, I'm an older guy (40 this year), in case it matters. Private responses > > > are ok, although I suspect that the list may be interested in this kind of > > > information. > > > > 40 makes you an older guy? That's only 25% older than me, and I don't > > think I am getting old yet. :) > > Wait til you're 40 ;) > > -- > JoeHill > ++++++++++++++++++++ > Leela: Bender, why are you spending so much time in the bathroom? Are > you jacking on in there? > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 477-1784 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 8 20:49:42 2007 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:49:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Lowcost webhosting in Canada? In-Reply-To: References: <20071208180820.GC2517@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Alex Maynard wrote: > On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Walter Dnes wrote: >> >> - I want hosting in Canada. >> >> - A linux-based host would be nice. >> >> - Did I mention low-cost? > > I used to use www.liquidesign.ca With a name like that one would expect them to use liquid design, but they don't use it for their own or for their clients' sites. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 8 21:22:55 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:22:55 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: On Dec 7, 2007 6:58 PM, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Fri, 7 Dec 2007, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > > Thanks for the link. > > No problem. > > > None of those have good enough video for me. The one with the nicest > > form factor supports at most 1280x1024 (32 bit). The one with the > > best video seems to support up to 1600x1200 (16 bit). Neither lists > > resolutions suitable for "wide screen" monitors that seem to be taking > > over the world. > > I doubt widescreen would be a problem. This is X afterall. I may be > testing this hypothesis soon. I do doubt. If they only offer a maximum of 1600 pixels across, then that *isn't* suitable for the wide monitors coming out now. > > My desk has a 1920x1200 LCD and a 2560x1600 LCD. Most PCs out of the > > box support 1920x1200 and most recent video cards support 2560x1600 > > ("dual link" DVI). > > > > For C$300, with careful shopping, you can get a current PC with things > > that sound valuable and surely did add to the cost of production: > > - DVD writer > > - 320G hard drive > > - 1G of RAM > > - MS Windows Vista > > - 2GHz processor > > - lots of interfaces, including ethernet and VGA > > It makes the more expensive diskless workstation look overpriced. > > Most of the advantage of thin client comes after you purchase the system. That's well and good, but I question why the advantages of "thin client" cannot arrive *as you are buying it.* If I'm buying a thin client, I'm NOT getting: - A DVD drive - A hard drive - A bunch of RAM - Decent graphics support (e.g. - video cards that can fully drive modern monitors) Why should I be paying as much or more as I would for a machine that has all of those things? > Remember a thin client system > can afford to have a more reliable server. No, it can't. I had to pay the *same* $300-$400 per "desktop" irrespective of whether it had 1GB of RAM or 256K, irrespective of whether it had a disk drive, or not. If thin clients were *cheaper than* "full fledged desktop" machines, then you could indeed spend the difference on a more reliable server. That only happens when they are *cheaper than*, which clearly isn't the case at this time. Xterms used to be "wildly more expensive than", which has evidently gone away, but the modern "thin clients" aren't getting sold heavily enough to actually be "cheaper than." > 6. Performance. > > You quote a PC with 1GB. Well you know what, in a home with 4 thin client > the users can share a system with 4GB for a comparable price and enjoy > better performance. Memory is consumed more efficiently on a > modern multi-user operating system. Yes, application code and libraries can get shared. (But note that much of Firefox/Mozilla runs as JavaScript that *won't* be shared!) We are not unaware of this. > The reality is a CPU is idle most of the time a person is using it (even > between key strokes). Multiple users on a more powerful system can enjoy > the full power of that system most of the time. This is a real win. Only if it is actually cheaper. If it is more expensive, which, when "thin clients" aren't cheaper than desktops, is so, then the "win" may be a mirage. > The advantages go on and on. They *need to* in order to overcome the initial extra investment :-(. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 8 18:42:28 2007 From: jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (John Sellens) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:42:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Lowcost webhosting in Canada? Message-ID: <200712081842.lB8IgSJM037110@localhost.generalconcepts.com> I used to do some work for canadawebhosting.com, based in Kelowna with machines in (last I knew) Vancouver and Toronto. Good people, reasonable pricing. I also do some hosting out of Toronto (colo'd in Peer 1 at 151 Front), and if you let me know what you're looking for, I would be happy to quote you a price. Hope that helps - cheers John -- John Sellens SYONEX - Systems, Operations, Networks, Expertise jsellens-dzygobQwvTvQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org 178 Main Street http://www.syonex.com Unionville ON tel 905-470-9649 fax 905-470-9649 L3R 2G9 Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 9 00:10:05 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 19:10:05 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <473c25250712061009h6da4bccelc2b55ba6cffe48ce-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> <20071206160908.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> <473c25250712061009h6da4bccelc2b55ba6cffe48ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <475B325D.50008@chrisaitken.net> Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: >On 12/6/07, Chris Aitken wrote: > > >>Okay, I set Master and Slave on each IDE cable. I'm starting up the >>computer now (I'm installing ubuntu 7.10). The first thing I see is, >> >>The folowing configuration options were automatically updated: >> >>Disk: 137438MB WDC WD1600AAJB-00PVA0 >>CD-ROM: CDD-1480 >> >>The problem is that the salesman told me these are 160 GB drives. I just >>spoke with a guy at the local Krazy Krazy - he says that the "DOS on the >>motherboard" uses the missing 22 GB. Is that true? I didn't know CMOS >>settings were DOS. And I'm surprised it needs 22 GB of hard disk space. >>That's bigger thatn the biggest hard drive I've ever owned (which was 20 >>GB until now). >> >>Also, I'm surprised that the second hard drive (Master on the other IDE >>cable) wasn't detected - or maybe that is going to be on the next POST >>output message... >> >>Chris >> >> >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> >> > >137GB is a limit of some old motherboards. The IDE controller can't >address more space than that. If you get a PCI IDE controller, you >can have one with a newer IDE controller that can address all of that >space. > > Then how come ubuntu sees all the space now?: chris at cpc:~$ df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/md0 48062344 2412188 43208684 6% / varrun 192352 92 192260 1% /var/run varlock 192352 0 192352 0% /var/lock udev 192352 92 192260 1% /dev devshm 192352 0 192352 0% /dev/shm /dev/md2 105288472 228568 99711472 1% /home tmpfs 192352 34696 157656 19% /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/volatile chris at cpc:~$ Can an OS work around a hardware limitation? >That sales person is talking through their ass. > He probably was, but now I'll need more information to know for sure. And I thought that was a moustache... :) Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 9 04:34:53 2007 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 23:34:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: anything wrong with gtalug.org? Message-ID: Is there anything wrong with gtalug.org site? The last few days I've been unable to access it (I am on Sympatico high speed). SeaMonkey is giving this message: Connection Interrupted The document contains no data. The network link was interrupted while negotiating a connection. Please try again. -- (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 9 04:44:28 2007 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 23:44:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Monitor suddenly dead Message-ID: I have been using a Neovo F-419 for almost 2 year without any issue. This morning, without any warning, the monitor failed to wake up from sleep, is stayed dark. Actually, when I woke up my computer's monitors, I saw a flash of the correct display content, then the monitor went dark again. I tried several things and eventually trying it without connected to the computer at all (Neovo will display an error box in that case), but it it consistently flashing up for a moment then going dark. Seems like the backlight failed to start. So my question: 1. Is there anything can be done with this monitor? If it can be repaired, any suggestion where? 2. Any advice on what causing this? Any suggestion on what should I do to prevent this happening again in the future? The monitor do connect through a surge protector - albeit an old one. As far as I know there is no electric discontinuity last night: all electronic with clocks stays on, and the computer - which stays on overnight and connected to the same surge protector - still OK. Thanks! -- (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 9 06:39:41 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:39:41 -0500 Subject: Fun(?) with Google Maps and GTALUG Message-ID: <475B8DAD.2080701@telly.org> I thought I'd try to play with the ability to create user-defined maps in Google. Given some of the questions here regarding "where are the decent computer stores in the GTA", I've collected some of the listings and put them into a Google Map called "Toronto Area Computer Stores". I _believe_ this is the URL for it. I have tried setting it so that anyone can edit and add entries: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=106433710083025347918.000440ca2d97d0e92ea8d While I marked the map as public I'm not sure how anyone on Google can search for it. Can anyone offer any insight into how I make my map searchable at http://maps.google.com/ig/directory?synd=mpl&pid=mpl&features=sharedmap,geofeed ? FWIW, I've attached a KML file for anyone interested in seeing these entries in Google Earth. Any help, suggestions or updates to the map are welcomed. - Evan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Toronto Area Computer Stores.kml Type: application/vnd.google-earth.kml+xml Size: 597 bytes Desc: not available URL: From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 9 14:38:15 2007 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 09:38:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fun(?) with Google Maps and GTALUG In-Reply-To: <475B8DAD.2080701-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <475B8DAD.2080701@telly.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I _believe_ this is the URL for it. I have tried setting it so > that anyone can edit and add entries: > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=106433710083025347918.000440ca2d97d0e92ea8d Yes this is the URL. Clicking to this URL allow people to view your map but also to add it to one's "My Maps". So I think once one click the URL the map become searchable to him/her. > While I marked the map as public I'm not sure how anyone on > Google can search for it. Can anyone offer any insight into > how I make my map searchable at > http://maps.google.com/ig/directory?synd=mpl&pid=mpl&features=sharedmap,geofeed > ? I think same as other searchable site, after Google crawler find it, the URL will be added. Maybe you can try to add your site to Google crawler: http://www.google.com/intl/en/submit_content.html -- (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From isss_ca-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 9 15:13:53 2007 From: isss_ca-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Sergey) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:13:53 -0500 Subject: Fun(?) with Google Maps and GTALUG In-Reply-To: <475B8DAD.2080701-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <475B8DAD.2080701@telly.org> Message-ID: Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I thought I'd try to play with the ability to create user-defined maps > in Google. > > Given some of the questions here regarding "where are the decent > computer stores in the GTA", I've collected some of the listings and put > them into a Google Map called "Toronto Area Computer Stores". > > I _believe_ this is the URL for it. I have tried setting it so that > anyone can edit and add entries: > > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=106433710083025347918.000440ca2d97d0e92ea8d > > While I marked the map as public I'm not sure how anyone on Google can > search for it. Can anyone offer any insight into how I make my map > searchable at > http://maps.google.com/ig/directory?synd=mpl&pid=mpl&features=sharedmap,geofeed > ? > > FWIW, I've attached a KML file for anyone interested in seeing these > entries in Google Earth. > > Any help, suggestions or updates to the map are welcomed. > > - Evan > How about College St.? http://www.gosee.ca/computerstores/ -- Best regards, Sergey -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 9 15:36:54 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:36:54 -0500 Subject: Fun(?) with Google Maps and GTALUG In-Reply-To: References: <475B8DAD.2080701@telly.org> Message-ID: <475C0B96.7030103@telly.org> Sergey wrote: >> Given some of the questions here regarding "where are the decent >> computer stores in the GTA", I've collected some of the listings and put >> them into a Google Map called "Toronto Area Computer Stores". >> >> http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=106433710083025347918.000440ca2d97d0e92ea8d >> > How about College St.? > http://www.gosee.ca/computerstores/ My intention was not to create a full directory so much as a set of recommendations. Eventually I'd love if the icons could be a "thumbs up" or "thumbs down" based on people's recommendations, as well as a pointer to the GTALUG wiki where people could post their reviews. Or maybe there's a better way... this is what I'm asking here. One of the primary functions of a user group is self-help and recommendations. I would hope that rather than showing all choices, a more-useful map would call attention to stores with which TLUGers have had good experiences. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 9 18:22:56 2007 From: jay-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 13:22:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: anything wrong with gtalug.org? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2480.192.168.0.96.1197224576.squirrel@canuckster.org> I too am unable to reach it. I am using Firefox and the page just sits there and loads but it never appears. > Is there anything wrong with gtalug.org site? The last few days > I've been unable to access it (I am on Sympatico high speed). > SeaMonkey is giving this message: > > > Connection Interrupted > > The document contains no data. > > The network link was interrupted while negotiating a connection. > Please try again. > > > > -- > (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo > _____ _____ _____ _____ > /____ /____/ /____/ /____ > _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mthornton-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 9 18:45:26 2007 From: mthornton-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (mthornton) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 13:45:26 -0500 Subject: anything wrong with gtalug.org? In-Reply-To: <2480.192.168.0.96.1197224576.squirrel-ttDcVxANFaNM656bX5wj8A@public.gmane.org> References: <2480.192.168.0.96.1197224576.squirrel@canuckster.org> Message-ID: <20071209184527.E9F56309BF@rock.ss.org> Wiki is down and being rebooted thanks for letting us know. -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jason Carson Sent: December 9, 2007 1:23 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: anything wrong with gtalug.org? I too am unable to reach it. I am using Firefox and the page just sits there and loads but it never appears. > Is there anything wrong with gtalug.org site? The last few days > I've been unable to access it (I am on Sympatico high speed). > SeaMonkey is giving this message: > > > Connection Interrupted > > The document contains no data. > > The network link was interrupted while negotiating a connection. > Please try again. > > > > -- > (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo > _____ _____ _____ _____ > /____ /____/ /____/ /____ > _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 9 21:54:22 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:54:22 -0500 Subject: Access VNC desktop of user A from user B Message-ID: <20071209165422.11a89cdd@node1.freeyourmachine.org> I've got two VNC desktops running on my Ubuntu machine (waiting for Boxing Day to get another display), under two different users. It is a simple matter to access either one from a terminal, ie. I can su userb, then run vncviewer. What I would like to do though is add a launcher or menu entry to do the same with one click, and I'm not sure how to do it. I use this to launch vncviewer: vncviewer magda:2 -passwd /home/magda/.vnc/passwd ...but of course if I try this without first 'su magda' I get an error that the passwd file cannot be read from my account. Is there some way to specify in the command a user and pass? Or is there some more efficient/elegant method than relying on VNC? Thanks! -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: "Is he dumb or just ugly?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 00:11:47 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:11:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Come see this comic strip! Message-ID: <20071210001147.A22D41CC44@www.UserFriendly.org> Your friend ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wants you to take a look at this cartoon strip: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20071209&mode=classic Enjoy ! User Friendly Weighs In On the Upcoming Copyright Bill -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 00:15:27 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 19:15:27 -0500 Subject: Come see this comic strip! In-Reply-To: <20071210001147.A22D41CC44-oxCga41ST40pCVK1JTLN9WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org> References: <20071210001147.A22D41CC44@www.UserFriendly.org> Message-ID: <475C851F.5060007@utoronto.ca> Sorry about that. I didn't know User Friendly was going to send my email this way. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 03:26:37 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 22:26:37 -0500 Subject: Fun(?) with Google Maps and GTALUG In-Reply-To: <475B8DAD.2080701-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <475B8DAD.2080701@telly.org> Message-ID: <20071210032637.GA10441@waltdnes.org> On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 01:39:41AM -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote > I thought I'd try to play with the ability to create user-defined maps > in Google. Is there any way to plot points using latitude/longitude coordinates, rather than drag+drop a point? -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 15:16:18 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:16:18 -0500 Subject: Monitor suddenly dead In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <475D5842.5040908@alteeve.com> S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > I have been using a Neovo F-419 for almost 2 year without any issue. > > This morning, without any warning, the monitor failed to wake up from > sleep, is stayed dark. Actually, when I woke up my computer's monitors, > I saw a flash of the correct display content, then the monitor went dark > again. I tried several things and eventually trying it without connected > to the computer at all (Neovo will display an error box in that case), > but it it consistently flashing up for a moment then going dark. Seems > like the backlight failed to start. > > So my question: > > 1. Is there anything can be done with this monitor? If it can be > repaired, any suggestion where? > > 2. Any advice on what causing this? Any suggestion on what should I do > to prevent this happening again in the future? The monitor do connect > through a surge protector - albeit an old one. As far as I know there is > no electric discontinuity last night: all electronic with clocks stays > on, and the computer - which stays on overnight and connected to the > same surge protector - still OK. > > Thanks! > CCFL's (the backlight) have a set life, like normal light bulbs. Better quality monitors generally have longer life CCFLs. When looking to replace this one, check the specs for whatever monitor you are thinking of getting and see what the MTBF is on the bulb (in hours). Get one with the longest life you can. As for your current problem, it sounds more like the inverter is gone (ramps up the voltage going to the CCFL). If you can find a replacement inverter (ebay?) then you might be able to replace it, but I have a feeling you'll find it's not worth it with prices of TFTs dropping so much. Also, the inverter board drives fairly high voltage and can be dangerous to play with. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 15:29:44 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:29:44 -0500 Subject: backup & low downtime for home network In-Reply-To: <475B325D.50008-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <47570602.6020309@chrisaitken.net> <20071205213520.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475810BF.3040301@chrisaitken.net> <20071206160908.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47583454.9030506@chrisaitken.net> <473c25250712061009h6da4bccelc2b55ba6cffe48ce@mail.gmail.com> <475B325D.50008@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071210152944.GW2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 07:10:05PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Then how come ubuntu sees all the space now?: > > chris at cpc:~$ df > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/md0 48062344 2412188 43208684 6% / > varrun 192352 92 192260 1% /var/run > varlock 192352 0 192352 0% /var/lock > udev 192352 92 192260 1% /dev > devshm 192352 0 192352 0% /dev/shm > /dev/md2 105288472 228568 99711472 1% /home > tmpfs 192352 34696 157656 19% > /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/volatile > chris at cpc:~$ > > Can an OS work around a hardware limitation? Well no, but it can work around BIOS limitations. A lot of IDE controllers can do 48bit LBA even if the BIOS on the board doesn't do it. My Asus A7V used to be limited to 137GB with the onboard controller, but a BIOS upgrade removed that limitation. > He probably was, but now I'll need more information to know for sure. > And I thought that was a moustache... Well if the OS can work around it in your case, then as long as the root (or /boot) filesystem is entirely within the first 137GB, then the rest should work just fine too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 16:11:45 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:11:45 -0500 Subject: Monitor suddenly dead In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071210161144.GX2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 11:44:28PM -0500, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > I have been using a Neovo F-419 for almost 2 year without any > issue. > > This morning, without any warning, the monitor failed to wake up > from sleep, is stayed dark. Actually, when I woke up my > computer's monitors, I saw a flash of the correct display > content, then the monitor went dark again. I tried several > things and eventually trying it without connected to the > computer at all (Neovo will display an error box in that case), > but it it consistently flashing up for a moment then going dark. > Seems like the backlight failed to start. > > So my question: > > 1. Is there anything can be done with this monitor? If it can be > repaired, any suggestion where? > > 2. Any advice on what causing this? Any suggestion on what > should I do to prevent this happening again in the future? The > monitor do connect through a surge protector - albeit an old > one. As far as I know there is no electric discontinuity last > night: all electronic with clocks stays on, and the computer - > which stays on overnight and connected to the same surge > protector - still OK. Well I don't know what could do it. Sometimes things just fail. Looking at the specs on that monitor, it appears to have a 3 year warrenty, so perhaps the simple answer is to go get it fixed and perhaps they can tell you what was wrong with it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 16:13:57 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:13:57 -0500 Subject: Access VNC desktop of user A from user B In-Reply-To: <20071209165422.11a89cdd-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071209165422.11a89cdd@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20071210161357.GY2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 04:54:22PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > I've got two VNC desktops running on my Ubuntu machine (waiting for Boxing Day > to get another display), under two different users. It is a simple matter to > access either one from a terminal, ie. I can su userb, then run vncviewer. What > I would like to do though is add a launcher or menu entry to do the same with > one click, and I'm not sure how to do it. > > I use this to launch vncviewer: > > vncviewer magda:2 -passwd /home/magda/.vnc/passwd > > ...but of course if I try this without first 'su magda' I get an error that the > passwd file cannot be read from my account. > > Is there some way to specify in the command a user and pass? Or is there some > more efficient/elegant method than relying on VNC? You could make the vnc passwd file readable by a certain group and put all the users that should have vnc access in that group. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 16:18:14 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:18:14 -0500 Subject: Fun(?) with Google Maps and GTALUG In-Reply-To: <475B8DAD.2080701-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <475B8DAD.2080701@telly.org> Message-ID: <20071210161814.GZ2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 01:39:41AM -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I thought I'd try to play with the ability to create user-defined maps > in Google. > > Given some of the questions here regarding "where are the decent > computer stores in the GTA", I've collected some of the listings and put > them into a Google Map called "Toronto Area Computer Stores". > > I _believe_ this is the URL for it. I have tried setting it so that > anyone can edit and add entries: > > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=106433710083025347918.000440ca2d97d0e92ea8d > > While I marked the map as public I'm not sure how anyone on Google can > search for it. Can anyone offer any insight into how I make my map > searchable at > http://maps.google.com/ig/directory?synd=mpl&pid=mpl&features=sharedmap,geofeed > ? > > FWIW, I've attached a KML file for anyone interested in seeing these > entries in Google Earth. > > Any help, suggestions or updates to the map are welcomed. I just use this map: http://www.canadacomputers.com/locations/ :) The two logic computer house locations are pretty good too. Actually I guess make that three, since they apparently have a 3rd location now. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 16:19:24 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:19:24 -0500 Subject: Fun(?) with Google Maps and GTALUG In-Reply-To: <20071210032637.GA10441-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <475B8DAD.2080701@telly.org> <20071210032637.GA10441@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20071210161923.GA2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 10:26:37PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > Is there any way to plot points using latitude/longitude coordinates, > rather than drag+drop a point? Try asking google for: xxx xx xxN, xxx xx xxW That should give you a point where you want it. -- Len SOrensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 16:52:40 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:52:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: More mindless self promotion. Message-ID: <7530.50723.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just to note, the December 2007 issue to "Linux Pro Magazine", issue 85 is out at some newsstands in the city. On pages 48-50 is my take on re-mastering Fedora with the livecd-creator utility. Small disappointment, in the article as submitted, I noted some real world issues I had encountered with creating live CD-ROM (for a past convention Internet lounge and for a local call centre firm) which was edited out of the article when printed (sigh). Oh well, it will still mean a fair number of $$ U.S. in my pocket. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 16:58:50 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:58:50 -0500 Subject: OT: Michael Geist Quoted in User Friendly Message-ID: <475D704A.1030609@utoronto.ca> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20071210 Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 17:06:16 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:06:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Read any good (technology) books lately? Message-ID: <35170.63206.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have a few articles in the pipeline for the next issue of "Free Software Magazine", a publication that really does NOT pay well (something they are well aware of). Still, the one fringe benefit for writing for "Free Software Magazine" is that for each 1,000+ word article published you get one free book with a value of up to $100 (U.S.) from the following list of publishers: - Apress - Addison-Wesley/Prentice Hall - O'Reilly - No Starch Press So, I am looking suggestions as to great recent technology books with a price tag of $100 (U.S.) or less... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 17:19:32 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:19:32 -0500 Subject: More mindless self promotion. In-Reply-To: <7530.50723.qm-DooQHYYYUaiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <7530.50723.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071210171932.GB2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 11:52:40AM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > Just to note, the December 2007 issue to "Linux Pro > Magazine", issue 85 is out at some newsstands in the > city. On pages 48-50 is my take on re-mastering Fedora > with the livecd-creator utility. > > Small disappointment, in the article as submitted, I > noted some real world issues I had encountered with > creating live CD-ROM (for a past convention Internet > lounge and for a local call centre firm) which was > edited out of the article when printed (sigh). > > Oh well, it will still mean a fair number of $$ U.S. > in my pocket. Do they let you check the article after editing it before priting? If not you would essentially risk them putting your name on an article where the editing has made somethings potentially say the opposit of what you really wanted to say, or potentially make things misleading or even wrong. Just wondering. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 17:24:18 2007 From: fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (asdf) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:24:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Read any good (technology) books lately? In-Reply-To: <35170.63206.qm-DooQHYYYUaiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <35170.63206.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <765716.43999.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Colin McGregor wrote: > > So, I am looking suggestions as to great recent > technology books with a price tag of $100 (U.S.) or > less... > Here's a few from my wishlist: (1) The C++ Programming Language: Special Edition (3rd Edition) (Hardcover) US $56.59 on Amazon.com (2) Java Concurrency in Practice US $34.64 on Amazon.com (3) Thinking in Java (4th Edition) (Paperback) * US $40.94 on Amazon.com (4) Secure Programming Cookbook for C and C++ * US $42.60 on Amazon.com (5) Network Security with OpenSSL US $26.37 on Amazon.com (6) Real World Linux Security (2nd Edition) US $43.79 on Amazon.com This is the best I could come up with given my programmer/programming bent. No matter how hard I tried I couldn't find any tech. books close to the $100 limit! :) * These books I already have and strongly recommend them if the subject matter / topic interests you. Salman Ahmed ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 17:59:38 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:59:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: More mindless self promotion. In-Reply-To: <20071210171932.GB2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20071210171932.GB2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <541338.54624.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 11:52:40AM -0500, Colin > McGregor wrote: > > Just to note, the December 2007 issue to "Linux > Pro > > Magazine", issue 85 is out at some newsstands in > the > > city. On pages 48-50 is my take on re-mastering > Fedora > > with the livecd-creator utility. > > > > Small disappointment, in the article as submitted, > I > > noted some real world issues I had encountered > with > > creating live CD-ROM (for a past convention > Internet > > lounge and for a local call centre firm) which was > > edited out of the article when printed (sigh). > > > > Oh well, it will still mean a fair number of $$ > U.S. > > in my pocket. > > Do they let you check the article after editing it > before priting? No. I have yet to see a publication that offers that as an option. I did run into a situation where an article I wrote for "Linux Journal" was correct when I submitted it, but a subsequent change to the software I was writing about made what some of what I had written inapplicable. At that point the article had not been published, so I e-mailed the editor, offering to revise the article. The editor said no, and just stuck in a disclaimer in the article noting the instructions were for version X and might not work with other versions (which was fair enough...). Colin McGregor > If > not you would essentially risk them putting your > name on an article > where the editing has made somethings potentially > say the opposit of > what you really wanted to say, or potentially make > things misleading or > even wrong. > > Just wondering. > > -- > Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 18:06:04 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:06:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: More mindless self promotion. In-Reply-To: <541338.54624.qm-57gzaD/7YRGB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <541338.54624.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2553.99.232.68.237.1197309964.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> >> Do they let you check the article after editing it >> before priting? > > No. I have yet to see a publication that offers that > as an option. > Circuit Cellar definitely send a proof before publishing. They are loath to make major changes at that point, but if there is a glaring error you could catch it before a printing. That's my experience with other electronics magazines as well. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 18:44:39 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:44:39 -0500 Subject: More mindless self promotion. In-Reply-To: <20071210171932.GB2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <7530.50723.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20071210171932.GB2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <475D8917.6000105@telly.org> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Do they let you check the article after editing it before priting? If > not you would essentially risk them putting your name on an article > where the editing has made somethings potentially say the opposit of > what you really wanted to say, or potentially make things misleading or > even wrong. > The worst that happened to me was about a decade ago, writing for "SCO World" about the relationship between Linux and OpenServer. While SCO at the time was not the Darl McBride super-nasty crew, it (and its community) was seeing Linux as a rising threat that needed to be either defeated or co-opted. Of course, most SCO folks at the time didn't even know what open source meant -- and when told, could not understand why anyone would make software that way. The article was to be the feature story backed by cover artwork, designed to calm the SCO community and let them know that everything would be just fine. Unfortunately, I did not write the article that way... I described how Linux was poised to overtake OpenServer in the market for PC-based Unix/Xenix/*ix systems, but that SCO had a supreior reseller channel that would remain its strength. My article was almost totally rewritten and they only paid half of the pre-agreed price for it (and in fact argued that I shouldn't have been paid at all for what they claimed as a garbage article). It was still the issue's featured story, and had my name on it, but I'd certainly never take personal credit for the crap that was printed, that I only saw for the first time when it came it in print. Whether or not the issue was worth fighting over became moot only a few months later when SCO World ceased publication and its publisher dissolved. Boo hoo. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 22:40:45 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:40:45 -0500 Subject: Fun(?) with Google Maps and GTALUG In-Reply-To: <20071210161923.GA2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <475B8DAD.2080701@telly.org> <20071210032637.GA10441@waltdnes.org> <20071210161923.GA2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20071210222903.GA12004@waltdnes.org> On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 11:19:24AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote > On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 10:26:37PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > > Is there any way to plot points using latitude/longitude coordinates, > > rather than drag+drop a point? > > Try asking google for: > xxx xx xxN, xxx xx xxW > > That should give you a point where you want it. Let me re-phrase the question. I know about asking maps.google.com to display one point, using lat/long. In the context of this thread, my question is... can I upload a file with a series of lat/long points, and associated values, and have it plotted? Barring that, is there a *SIMPLE* linux mapping app (no, not GRASS) that allows me to plot a bunch of points by lat/long, with associated values? -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 23:32:35 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:32:35 -0500 Subject: .ogg to .mp3 converter Message-ID: <20071210233235.27627.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> What is an easy-to-install/operate .ogg to .mp3 converter. I got my wife an .mp3 thumb drive for Christmas. It's much easier than the iPod - just drag and drop .mp3's onto the drive. It's not one of (the very few?) .mp3 thumb drives that supports .ogg's. I'm using ubuntu 7.10 now - recent convert from rh 6.0 through fedora 7. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 23:44:53 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:44:53 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071202183830.048a633f-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> JoeHill writes: > chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> I don't know whether I'm supposed to go through the whole svn installation >> of libgpod (and the other stuff that I did that I can't retrace until I >> re-install Thunderbird on and load the saved mail file from backup) or if >> the process will be different on ubuntu. > > Told ya it wouldn't be long, just saw this on #gtkpod :-) > > Add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list: > > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ipod-touch/ubuntu gutsy main > > then: > > sudo apt-get update > > then install libgpod3 and gtkpod, you should be golden. Okay, I did all of that. The songs that are on the iPod are showing up in gtkpod, but trying to save an .ogg to the iPod I get: Conversion of Track2 failed: '/usr/share/gtkpod/scripts/convert-ogg2mp3.sh' returned exit status 4. Am I still missing some library or whatnot? I'm suing ubuntu 7.10. Chris Looks like there are > also updated packages for Amarok (yuk) and Rhythmbox (not as yuk). > > -- > JoeHill > ++++++++++++++++++++ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grandriver-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 23:55:13 2007 From: grandriver-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Kamran) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:55:13 -0500 Subject: Open Moko Presentation Message-ID: <475DD1E1.7030809@sympatico.ca> I missed this presentation. Is there anyway to get a hold of the material presented for personal use? Did anyone happen to record the presentation and wouldn't mind sharing a copy? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 02:13:57 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:13:57 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071210234454.32602.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On December 10, 2007 06:44:53 pm chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > JoeHill writes: > > chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> I don't know whether I'm supposed to go through the whole svn > >> installation of libgpod (and the other stuff that I did that I > >> can't retrace until I re-install Thunderbird on and load the saved > >> mail file from backup) or if the process will be different on > >> ubuntu. > > > > Told ya it wouldn't be long, just saw this on #gtkpod :-) > > > > Add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list: > > > > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ipod-touch/ubuntu gutsy main > > > > then: > > > > sudo apt-get update > > > > then install libgpod3 and gtkpod, you should be golden. > > Okay, I did all of that. The songs that are on the iPod are showing > up in gtkpod, but trying to save an .ogg to the iPod I get: > > Conversion of Track2 failed: > '/usr/share/gtkpod/scripts/convert-ogg2mp3.sh' returned exit status > 4. > > Am I still missing some library or whatnot? I'm suing ubuntu 7.10. I sent a message about installing vorbis-tools, which provides the oggdec binary, which if missing, will throw that "exit status 4" error. Try running "which oggdec" and if it does not find anything, install the vorbis-tools package. Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 02:48:17 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:48:17 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Jamon Camisso writes: > On December 10, 2007 06:44:53 pm chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> JoeHill writes: >> > chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> >> I don't know whether I'm supposed to go through the whole svn >> >> installation of libgpod (and the other stuff that I did that I >> >> can't retrace until I re-install Thunderbird on and load the saved >> >> mail file from backup) or if the process will be different on >> >> ubuntu. >> > >> > Told ya it wouldn't be long, just saw this on #gtkpod :-) >> > >> > Add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list: >> > >> > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ipod-touch/ubuntu gutsy main >> > >> > then: >> > >> > sudo apt-get update >> > >> > then install libgpod3 and gtkpod, you should be golden. >> >> Okay, I did all of that. The songs that are on the iPod are showing >> up in gtkpod, but trying to save an .ogg to the iPod I get: >> >> Conversion of Track2 failed: >> '/usr/share/gtkpod/scripts/convert-ogg2mp3.sh' returned exit status >> 4. >> >> Am I still missing some library or whatnot? I'm suing ubuntu 7.10. > > I sent a message about installing vorbis-tools, which provides the > oggdec binary, which if missing, will throw that "exit status 4" error. > > Try running "which oggdec" and if it does not find anything, install the > vorbis-tools package. Yeah, I installed that before I got the error. apt-get install vorbis-tools. Funny you should mention that. I actually installed it to support an application called audio-convert.That app is working for me. I noticed that gtkpod does not have the iPod that is mine - it was called iPod nano 4 GB video (or close to that) when we did the svn installs (et al) on the fedora 7 machine (before the hard drive died). I probably have to do all that svn stuff again - no? Chris > > Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 04:27:32 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:27:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Open Moko Presentation In-Reply-To: <475DD1E1.7030809-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <475DD1E1.7030809@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: | From: Kamran | I missed this presentation. Is there anyway to get a hold of the material | presented for personal use? Did anyone happen to record the presentation and | wouldn't mind sharing a copy? That was not a talk to TLUG. It was a talk to TAUG. I would recommend looking there. http://taug.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grandriver-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 04:38:07 2007 From: grandriver-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Kamran) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:38:07 -0500 Subject: Open Moko Presentation In-Reply-To: References: <475DD1E1.7030809@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <475E142F.3020708@sympatico.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Kamran > | I missed this presentation. Is there anyway to get a hold of the material > | presented for personal use? Did anyone happen to record the presentation and > | wouldn't mind sharing a copy? > > That was not a talk to TLUG. It was a talk to TAUG. I would > recommend looking there. http://taug.ca/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Oh right. I forgot it was a presentation by the Asterisk Community. My apologies. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 04:38:48 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:38:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: OLPC XO and Microsoft Message-ID: This blog entry from a Microsoftie very interesting/funny: http://blogs.technet.com/jamesu/default.aspx MS is compaining that they have a lot of work to get WinXP on the XO. Like writing drivers. And a BIOS. Taking 40 folks over a year. At least they get specs! Lots of backhanded comments. I got to this blog from http://itnews.com.au/News/66442,microsoft-wants-ne-laptop-per-child-system-to-run-windows-xp.aspx And I got there from http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/06/2049201 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 05:30:57 2007 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:30:57 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071210234454.32602.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <200712110030.57262.mervc@eol.ca> On Monday 10 December 2007 18:44, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > I'm suing ubuntu 7.10. > Good idea. -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Debian Sid Linux Desktop KDE 3.5.7 KMail 1.9.5 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 05:36:02 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:36:02 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071211024818.28360.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Jamon Camisso writes: > > > On December 10, 2007 06:44:53 pm chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> JoeHill writes: > >> > chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> >> I don't know whether I'm supposed to go through the whole svn > >> >> installation of libgpod (and the other stuff that I did that I > >> >> can't retrace until I re-install Thunderbird on and load the saved > >> >> mail file from backup) or if the process will be different on > >> >> ubuntu. > >> > > >> > Told ya it wouldn't be long, just saw this on #gtkpod :-) > >> > > >> > Add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list: > >> > > >> > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ipod-touch/ubuntu gutsy main > >> > > >> > then: > >> > > >> > sudo apt-get update > >> > > >> > then install libgpod3 and gtkpod, you should be golden. > >> > >> Okay, I did all of that. The songs that are on the iPod are showing > >> up in gtkpod, but trying to save an .ogg to the iPod I get: > >> > >> Conversion of Track2 failed: > >> '/usr/share/gtkpod/scripts/convert-ogg2mp3.sh' returned exit status > >> 4. > >> > >> Am I still missing some library or whatnot? I'm suing ubuntu 7.10. > > > > I sent a message about installing vorbis-tools, which provides the > > oggdec binary, which if missing, will throw that "exit status 4" error. > > > > Try running "which oggdec" and if it does not find anything, install the > > vorbis-tools package. > > Yeah, I installed that before I got the error. apt-get install vorbis-tools. > Funny you should mention that. I actually installed it to support an > application called audio-convert.That app is working for me. I noticed that > gtkpod does not have the iPod that is mine - it was called iPod nano 4 GB > video (or close to that) when we did the svn installs (et al) on the fedora > 7 machine (before the hard drive died). I probably have to do all that svn > stuff again - no? No, if you installed the gtkpod and libgpod from the ppa repo, that should do it. The only thing missing from the libgpod you installed is the ability to get the firewire ID of the Nano. You will need to do it manually, but it's not that difficult. From the libgpod README.sysinfo: "The 2nd method requires more manual intervention. First, you need to get your firewire id manually. To do that, run "sudo lsusb -v | grep -i Serial" (without the "") with your iPod plugged in, this should print a 16 character long string like 00A1234567891231. For an iPod Touch, this number will be much longer than 16 characters, the firewire ID is constituted by the first 16 characters. Once you have that number, create/edit /mnt/ipod/iPod_Control/Device/SysInfo (if your iPod is mounted at /mnt/ipod). Add to that file the line below: FirewireGuid: 0xffffffffffffffff (replace ffffffffffffffff with the string you obtained at the previous step and don't forget the trailing 0x before the string) Save that file, and you should be all set. Be careful when using apps which lets you manually specify which iPod model you own, they may overwrite that file when you do that. So if after doing that libgpod still seems to write invalid content to the iPod, double-check the content of that SysInfo file to make sure the FirewireGuid line you added isn't gone. If that happens, readd it to the end of the file, and make sure libgpod rewrite the iPod content." -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Amy: "Bender, your beer belly's so big your door won't even close. And that doesn't even make sense." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 07:06:47 2007 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:06:47 -0500 Subject: The case against OLPC? In-Reply-To: <47596F51.5000208-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47596F51.5000208@telly.org> Message-ID: <20071211020647.bcf79879.hgibson@eol.ca> On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:05:37 -0500 Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I usually think John Dvorak is a headline-grabbing crank, but this > latest column rang true with sentiments that simply won't leave my head. > > Isn't the whole idea of "let's give the developing world little > computers" a kind of rich-person's feel-good thinking, when so much of > the world doesn't even have enough to eat? > > ... > > What do you think? > > - Evan Evan, I think that a big problem we have is that people get into this mode of operating computers, instead of doing the actual work. The computer is a tool. The job is to provide education to children in developing countries. How do you spend limited resources? Where should money and other resources be spent in a typical third world country? I suspect that the first step would be to pay for decent teachers. I would also make sure there were proper classrooms located within walking distance of the children to be educated. Children can be taught to write with a blackboard, some slates and chalk. That is how it was done here a hundred and fifty years ago. Providing each child with a computer not only means hundreds of millions if not billions of computers at one or two hundred bucks each. It means providing electricity to all the schools and homes that have to recharge the batteries, and providing internet access at least to the schools. That is a lot of infrastructure. Are laptops even a good idea. What is wrong with a desktop in a classroom, where it can be shared. The computers are cheaper, better protected, harder to lose or drop on the ground, and easier to connect to the internet. According to my Economist Factboot from 2006, Kenya has a GDP per head of $450, and in Bangladesh, it is $350. A $100 computer is not that cheap. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 11:49:50 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:49:50 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200712110030.57262.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712110030.57262.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <475E795E.5040704@chrisaitken.net> Merv Curley wrote: >On Monday 10 December 2007 18:44, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > >> I'm suing ubuntu 7.10. >> >> >> >Good idea. > > That was supposed to be "I'm /using/ ubuntu 7.10." :) Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 12:01:57 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:01:57 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071211003602.7b2d5477-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <475E7C35.8000102@chrisaitken.net> JoeHill wrote: >chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > >>Jamon Camisso writes: >> >> >> >>>On December 10, 2007 06:44:53 pm chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> >>> >>>>JoeHill writes: >>>> >>>> >>>>>chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I don't know whether I'm supposed to go through the whole svn >>>>>>installation of libgpod (and the other stuff that I did that I >>>>>>can't retrace until I re-install Thunderbird on and load the saved >>>>>>mail file from backup) or if the process will be different on >>>>>>ubuntu. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Told ya it wouldn't be long, just saw this on #gtkpod :-) >>>>> >>>>>Add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list: >>>>> >>>>>deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ipod-touch/ubuntu gutsy main >>>>> >>>>>then: >>>>> >>>>>sudo apt-get update >>>>> >>>>>then install libgpod3 and gtkpod, you should be golden. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Okay, I did all of that. The songs that are on the iPod are showing >>>>up in gtkpod, but trying to save an .ogg to the iPod I get: >>>> >>>>Conversion of Track2 failed: >>>>'/usr/share/gtkpod/scripts/convert-ogg2mp3.sh' returned exit status >>>>4. >>>> >>>>Am I still missing some library or whatnot? I'm suing ubuntu 7.10. >>>> >>>> >>>I sent a message about installing vorbis-tools, which provides the >>>oggdec binary, which if missing, will throw that "exit status 4" error. >>> >>>Try running "which oggdec" and if it does not find anything, install the >>>vorbis-tools package. >>> >>> >>Yeah, I installed that before I got the error. apt-get install vorbis-tools. >>Funny you should mention that. I actually installed it to support an >>application called audio-convert.That app is working for me. I noticed that >>gtkpod does not have the iPod that is mine - it was called iPod nano 4 GB >>video (or close to that) when we did the svn installs (et al) on the fedora >>7 machine (before the hard drive died). I probably have to do all that svn >>stuff again - no? >> >> > >No, if you installed the gtkpod and libgpod from the ppa repo, that should do >it. The only thing missing from the libgpod you installed is the ability to get >the firewire ID of the Nano. You will need to do it manually, but it's not that >difficult. From the libgpod README.sysinfo: > >"The 2nd method requires more manual intervention. First, you need to get your >firewire id manually. To do that, run "sudo lsusb -v | grep -i Serial" (without >the "") with your iPod plugged in, this should print a 16 character long string >like 00A1234567891231. For an iPod Touch, this number will be much longer than >16 characters, the firewire ID is constituted by the first 16 characters. >Once you have that number, create/edit /mnt/ipod/iPod_Control/Device/SysInfo >(if your iPod is mounted at /mnt/ipod). Add to that file the line below: >FirewireGuid: 0xffffffffffffffff >(replace ffffffffffffffff with the string you obtained at the previous step >and don't forget the trailing 0x before the string) >Save that file, and you should be all set. Be careful when using apps which >lets you manually specify which iPod model you own, they may overwrite that >file when you do that. So if after doing that libgpod still seems to write >invalid content to the iPod, double-check the content of that SysInfo file to >make sure the FirewireGuid line you added isn't gone. If that happens, readd it >to the end of the file, and make sure libgpod rewrite the iPod content." > > > Okay, so I skip (below) most of what I did on the fedora 7 box and skip to the last line? IO just don't want to put you guys through what's-my-next-step hell again. Chris a. remove the RPM's for gtkpod and libgpod. I installed libmp4v2-devel with yum install libmp4v2-devel (so that gtkpod is built with support for...well, mp4). I did this as root. 1. Grab libgpod svn: svn co https://gtkpod.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gtkpod/libgpod/trunk libgpod **Important** read the README.sysinfo file and follow the instructions. ./autogen.sh ...then build and install the usual way* (I used ./configure --prefix=/usr) 2. Grab gtkpod svn: svn co https://gtkpod.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gtkpod/gtkpod/trunk gtkpod ...and build and install the usual way. * run './autogen.sh', then './configure prefix=/usr', then 'make', then 'su' and 'make install'. Autogen and configure will check to see if you have the necessary bits to build the software. If you don't, it will usually tell you exactly what you need to install. This can be...frustrating...on non-Debian systems, but it's not that bad. I used to just keep my package manager open while I was building stuff, so that if the ./configure script complained about missing libblahblah I could just jump over and install the -devel package. The good thing is, once you've got it working, you can 'svn up' whenever a new feature is added to gtkpod or libgpod. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ What I've done: delete libgpod directory and contents with rm -Rf /home/chris/libgpod run (as root?): svn co https://gtkpod.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gtkpod/libgpod/trunk libgpo [chris] cd libgpod ./autogen.sh ./configure ?prefix=/usr make make install run (as root?) svn co https://gtkpod.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gtkpod/gtkpod/trunk gtkpod [chris] cd gtkpod ./autogen.sh [this complained that I don't have gtk+-2.0] I tried to install gtk with yum install gtk+-2.0 but msg is 'nothing to install' ./configure prefix=/usr [also complained that I don't have gtk+-2.0] make [make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.] wants dependency 'libgnomecavas-2.0' yum install libgnomecavas-2.0 didn't work yum install libgnomecanvas yum install libgnomecanvas-devel yum install libidtag3-devel tried the build again yum install libgsutils (no such package) yum install libgsutils-devel (no such package) yum install sg3_utils-devel wokred and it brought sg3_utils-libs with it. Build lidgpod again. Follow instructons in libgpod/README.SysInfo to get iPod firewire ID into /media/IPOD/iPod_Control/Device/Sysinfo file -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 12:04:06 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:04:06 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <475E2455.7060306-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <475E2455.7060306@telly.org> Message-ID: <475E7CB6.1000309@chrisaitken.net> Evan Leibovitch wrote: >chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >>I'm suing ubuntu 7.10. >> >> >Who's your lawyer? > > Gouger, Fearmonger & Bragg >Sorry, couldn't be helped. > > I plead the same defense. Chris >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 12:38:06 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:38:06 -0500 Subject: D'oh! Message-ID: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> I've pooched my network connection on my computer (I'm using another computer to send this). I was trying to set up printing on ubuntu (which, I am delighted to say, was done automatically and completely by cups!). Now trying to set up to print to it's printer from another machine I realized the printer-attached computer has no local IP address (only the loopback, and the dynamically-assigned inet address). There is no 'neat' (what I always used to add an ip address in fedora) in ubuntu. So, I found a gui tool in the menu called gnome-nettool. There was no 'add' button so I chose to 'configure' the existing interface. I gave it IP:192.168.0.2, mask:255.255.255.0 and gateway:192.168.0.1 (as per the router instructions which worked fine on fedora 7). Now I can't even get on the Internet AND the 'configure' button in nettool is greyed out. D'oh! Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 12:40:17 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:40:17 -0500 Subject: The case against OLPC? In-Reply-To: <20071211020647.bcf79879.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <47596F51.5000208@telly.org> <20071211020647.bcf79879.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <475E8531.5070806@rogers.com> Howard Gibson wrote: > > > Providing each child with a computer not only means hundreds of millions if not billions of computers at one or two hundred bucks each. It means providing electricity to all the schools and homes that have to recharge the batteries, and providing internet access at least to the schools. That is a lot of infrastructure. > Those OLPC computers also come with manual chargers, with pull strings, so they're not dependent on external sources of electricity. There's also a solar panel available for charging. > Are laptops even a good idea. What is wrong with a desktop in a classroom, where it can be shared. The computers are cheaper, better protected, harder to lose or drop on the ground, and easier to connect to the internet. > Now you will need power. One point about the OLPC computer, is that it can be used to take audio & video messages home from the teacher to illiterate parents. Also, as has been demonstrated here and elsewhere, having a large number of students share one or a few computers simply doesn't work. > According to my Economist Factboot from 2006, Kenya has a GDP per head of $450, and in Bangladesh, it is $350. A $100 computer is not that cheap. > > -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 13:51:14 2007 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:51:14 -0500 Subject: The case against OLPC? In-Reply-To: <475E8531.5070806-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47596F51.5000208@telly.org> <20071211020647.bcf79879.hgibson@eol.ca> <475E8531.5070806@rogers.com> Message-ID: <49e826e90712110551k56e2c255i1e4662614806d171@mail.gmail.com> The third world countries are not 100 years behind. What they, however, lack is infrastructure, proper audit controls at government level, and control over rampant corruption. OLPC is a great idea. But I really don't think it will have the positive impact that the project envisions. First of all, a number of laptops will be redirected to corrupt government officials for personal use. Secondly, the poor infrastructure in some urban areas and practically none in the rural areas will create a number of issues like recharging the units, security, repair/damage, finding enough capable instructors etc. Among third world countries, Pakistan in particular has a very strong feudal influence which already provides an environment where schools find it difficult to exist; even the pencil and paper type. OLPC will have a difficult time establishing itself in feudally dominated areas of the country. In the urban areas, public schools are at the mercy of the government which does not provide enough funds for a school infrastructure including desks, chairs, stationery and staff salaries. At rough estimates, some public schools are provided government funds at a measly 5 US dollars per year per student! In light of this, what could be successful and more useful is setting up Linux thin client labs in government funded public schools. An NGO could procure discarded/obsolete workstations as thin client terminals and servers to establish labs. I think we need to start from here. OLPC is a great idea but the third world is not ready yet. Asaf Maruf On Dec 11, 2007 7:40 AM, James Knott wrote: > Howard Gibson wrote: > > > > > > Providing each child with a computer not only means hundreds of > millions if not billions of computers at one or two hundred bucks each. It > means providing electricity to all the schools and homes that have to > recharge the batteries, and providing internet access at least to the > schools. That is a lot of infrastructure. > > > > Those OLPC computers also come with manual chargers, with pull strings, > so they're not dependent on external sources of electricity. There's > also a solar panel available for charging. > > > Are laptops even a good idea. What is wrong with a desktop in a > classroom, where it can be shared. The computers are cheaper, better > protected, harder to lose or drop on the ground, and easier to connect to > the internet. > > > > Now you will need power. One point about the OLPC computer, is that it > can be used to take audio & video messages home from the teacher to > illiterate parents. Also, as has been demonstrated here and elsewhere, > having a large number of students share one or a few computers simply > doesn't work. > > > According to my Economist Factboot from 2006, Kenya has a GDP per > head of $450, and in Bangladesh, it is $350. A $100 computer is not that > cheap. > > > > > > > -- > Use OpenOffice.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- "I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." - Richard P. Feynman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 14:50:56 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:50:56 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <475E84AE.200-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > I've pooched my network connection on my computer (I'm using another > computer to send this). I went into 'network' in the menu and switched the connection from static back to DHCP-assigned address. So, now I have my Internet connection back. However, I still can't set up a static network address for my local network. This was so easy in fedora with neat - you just add a connection on the same physical interface. I'm going to try the manual method (editing /etc/network/interfaces). Scary, but I'll give it a try. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 15:11:24 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:11:24 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <475EA3D0.9000003-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <475EA89C.4060807@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: This is getting worse. I found a site that advises how to set a static ip. Unfortunately I couldn't find instructions how to set up static (for local network) AND dhcp-assigned (for Internet). I should have printed out my /etc/network/interfaces file but didn't - so now I don't have the default to reset it to to at least get my Internet back. So, here's the butchered /etc/network/interfaces file (maybe you can see what I am trying to do): #primary network interface auto eth0:1 iface eth0:1 inet static address 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 gateway 192.168.0.1 #iface eth0 inet dhcp address 192.168.0.225 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1 I guess my next step will be to look at the /etc/network/interfaces file on the computer I'm on right now. It's a fedora 7 box so I nope that nothing will be different. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 15:30:53 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:30:53 -0500 Subject: Fun(?) with Google Maps and GTALUG In-Reply-To: <20071210222903.GA12004-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <475B8DAD.2080701@telly.org> <20071210032637.GA10441@waltdnes.org> <20071210161923.GA2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20071210222903.GA12004@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20071211153053.GC2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 05:40:45PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > Let me re-phrase the question. I know about asking maps.google.com to > display one point, using lat/long. In the context of this thread, my > question is... can I upload a file with a series of lat/long points, and > associated values, and have it plotted? > > Barring that, is there a *SIMPLE* linux mapping app (no, not GRASS) > that allows me to plot a bunch of points by lat/long, with associated > values? There is an import button for GeoRSS, kml, and kmz files as far as I recall (I guess I could go check). If you know how to generate a file in any of those formats then you could do it that way. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 15:34:06 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:34:06 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <475EA89C.4060807-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> <475EA89C.4060807@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <3a97ef0712110734v7de58b0em46a77afd36d3c99@mail.gmail.com> Here's a variation of what I used on my Deb box that should work fine for Ubuntu, since I believe they have the same configuration format: Edit this into /etc/network/interfaces.. #----------- auto eth0 auto eth0:0 iface eth0 inet dhcp iface eth0:0 inet static address 192.168.0.225 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 #-------- On Dec 11, 2007 10:11 AM, Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > > This is getting worse. I found a site that advises how to set a static > ip. Unfortunately I couldn't find instructions how to set up static (for > local network) AND dhcp-assigned (for Internet). I should have printed > out my /etc/network/interfaces file but didn't - so now I don't have the > default to reset it to to at least get my Internet back. So, here's the > butchered /etc/network/interfaces file (maybe you can see what I am > trying to do): > > #primary network interface > auto eth0:1 > iface eth0:1 inet static > address 192.168.0.2 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > network 192.168.0.0 > broadcast 192.168.0.255 > gateway 192.168.0.1 > > #iface eth0 inet dhcp > address 192.168.0.225 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > gateway 192.168.0.1 > > I guess my next step will be to look at the /etc/network/interfaces file > on the computer I'm on right now. It's a fedora 7 box so I nope that > nothing will be different. > > Chris > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 477-1784 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 15:35:34 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:35:34 -0500 Subject: .ogg to .mp3 converter In-Reply-To: <20071210233235.27627.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20071210233235.27627.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20071211153534.GD2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 06:32:35PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > What is an easy-to-install/operate .ogg to .mp3 converter. I got my wife an > .mp3 thumb drive for Christmas. It's much easier than the iPod - just drag > and drop .mp3's onto the drive. > > It's not one of (the very few?) .mp3 thumb drives that supports .ogg's. I'm > using ubuntu 7.10 now - recent convert from rh 6.0 through fedora 7. Well you could use: ogg123 -d wav@ -f foo.wav foo.ogg Then you could ask lame to convert the wav file to an mp3. I am sure that could all be turned into a nice script. transcode might even do it all in one command. I haven't checked. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 16:07:19 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:07:19 -0500 Subject: can't print fr fedora to ubuntu Message-ID: <475EB5B7.7040905@chrisaitken.net> Ubuntu saw my printer and configured itself to use it (impressive). However, I'm not having any luck printing to it from a networked fedora 7 machine. I've done a lot of troubleshooting network printing and each time I try to take some wisdom with me. The thing I did last time to get netwrok printing working was to get the URI correct. I found that the URI format that works is http://IPaddress:631/printers/printername I put that to the test several times and each time it worked. Unfortunately, it ain't wotking this time. URI:http://192.168.0.2:631/printers/PSC_1600_series is not working. I tried /sbin/service cups restart on the networked amchine and that did not help. I tried variations like, URI:http://192.168.0.2:631/Printers/PSC_1600_series URI:http://192.168.0.2:631/printers/PSC_1600_Series URI:http://192.168.0.2:631/printers/usb/PSC_1600_series and these didn't work either. I can successfully ping each machine from one another. Any ideas? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 16:03:01 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:03:01 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <475EA89C.4060807-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> <475EA89C.4060807@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071211160301.GE2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:11:24AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > > This is getting worse. I found a site that advises how to set a static > ip. Unfortunately I couldn't find instructions how to set up static (for > local network) AND dhcp-assigned (for Internet). I should have printed > out my /etc/network/interfaces file but didn't - so now I don't have the > default to reset it to to at least get my Internet back. So, here's the > butchered /etc/network/interfaces file (maybe you can see what I am > trying to do): > > #primary network interface > auto eth0:1 > iface eth0:1 inet static > address 192.168.0.2 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > network 192.168.0.0 > broadcast 192.168.0.255 > gateway 192.168.0.1 > > #iface eth0 inet dhcp > address 192.168.0.225 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > gateway 192.168.0.1 > > I guess my next step will be to look at the /etc/network/interfaces file > on the computer I'm on right now. It's a fedora 7 box so I nope that > nothing will be different. That setup looks wrong. You have essentially set it to have dhcp on eth0 and also have an alias that is a static IP. That doesn't work well. You /etc/network/interfaces should be: #primary network interface auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1 And hopefully you also have something like: auto lo iface lo inet loopback That should do it all. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 16:04:18 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:04:18 -0500 Subject: can't print fr fedora to ubuntu In-Reply-To: <475EB5B7.7040905-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <475EB5B7.7040905@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071211160418.GF2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 11:07:19AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Ubuntu saw my printer and configured itself to use it (impressive). > However, I'm not having any luck printing to it from a networked fedora > 7 machine. I've done a lot of troubleshooting network printing and each > time I try to take some wisdom with me. The thing I did last time to get > netwrok printing working was to get the URI correct. I found that the > URI format that works is http://IPaddress:631/printers/printername > > I put that to the test several times and each time it worked. > Unfortunately, it ain't wotking this time. > > URI:http://192.168.0.2:631/printers/PSC_1600_series is not working. > > I tried /sbin/service cups restart on the networked amchine and that did > not help. > > I tried variations like, > > URI:http://192.168.0.2:631/Printers/PSC_1600_series > URI:http://192.168.0.2:631/printers/PSC_1600_Series > URI:http://192.168.0.2:631/printers/usb/PSC_1600_series > > and these didn't work either. I can successfully ping each machine from > one another. > > Any ideas? Cups tends to default to NOT share printers with the network. The web interface (http://localhost:631/admin) has a check box to enable sharing of printers with the network. That should pretty much be all you have to do. Any cups enabled system on the network should then see the printer. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 16:13:08 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:13:08 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <20071211160301.GE2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> <475EA89C.4060807@chrisaitken.net> <20071211160301.GE2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20071211161308.9490.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Lennart Sorensen writes: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:11:24AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: >> Chris Aitken wrote: >> >> >> >> This is getting worse. I found a site that advises how to set a static >> ip. Unfortunately I couldn't find instructions how to set up static (for >> local network) AND dhcp-assigned (for Internet). I should have printed >> out my /etc/network/interfaces file but didn't - so now I don't have the >> default to reset it to to at least get my Internet back. So, here's the >> butchered /etc/network/interfaces file (maybe you can see what I am >> trying to do): >> >> #primary network interface >> auto eth0:1 >> iface eth0:1 inet static >> address 192.168.0.2 >> netmask 255.255.255.0 >> network 192.168.0.0 >> broadcast 192.168.0.255 >> gateway 192.168.0.1 >> >> #iface eth0 inet dhcp >> address 192.168.0.225 >> netmask 255.255.255.0 >> gateway 192.168.0.1 >> >> I guess my next step will be to look at the /etc/network/interfaces file >> on the computer I'm on right now. It's a fedora 7 box so I nope that >> nothing will be different. > > That setup looks wrong. You have essentially set it to have dhcp on > eth0 and also have an alias that is a static IP. That doesn't work > well. You /etc/network/interfaces should be: > > #primary network interface > auto eth0 > iface eth0 inet static > address 192.168.0.2 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > gateway 192.168.0.1 > > And hopefully you also have something like: > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > > That should do it all. I'm okay now (Internet and pinging local addresses). I guess I figured it out while you were sending this. Here is my /etc/network/interfaces file now (same as yours only I had to add a connection for Internet): # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The primary network interface auto eth0 eth1 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 gateway 192.168.0.1 #iface eth0 inet dhcp iface eth1 inet dhcp address 192.168.0.225 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1 I'm assuming that the cable modem will reset the Internet interface IP info (in /etc/network/interfaces) whenever I reboot the modem or PC or whatever.. Chris > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 16:20:44 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:20:44 -0500 Subject: can't print fr fedora to ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071211160418.GF2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <475EB5B7.7040905@chrisaitken.net> <20071211160418.GF2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20071211162047.14726.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Lennart Sorensen writes: > Cups tends to default to NOT share printers with the network. The web > interface (http://localhost:631/admin) has a check box to enable sharing > of printers with the network. That should pretty much be all you have > to do. Any cups enabled system on the network should then see the > printer. Okay, that worked - thank you. I assumed that if the printer showed up as 'published' then that means it is shared. I thought 'published' and 'shared' were synonymous. I guess they are not. Chris > -- > Len Sorensen > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 16:26:16 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:26:16 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <475EA3D0.9000003-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <475EBA28.8070106@rogers.com> Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I've pooched my network connection on my computer (I'm using another >> computer to send this). > > I went into 'network' in the menu and switched the connection from > static back to DHCP-assigned address. So, now I have my Internet > connection back. However, I still can't set up a static network address > for my local network. This was so easy in fedora with neat - you just > add a connection on the same physical interface. I'm going to try the > manual method (editing /etc/network/interfaces). Scary, but I'll give it > a try. > I assume you're using DHCP. Is there any reason you can't assign a dedicated IP address to that computer's MAC address? -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 16:40:04 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:40:04 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <20071211161308.9490.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> <475EA89C.4060807@chrisaitken.net> <20071211160301.GE2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20071211161308.9490.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20071211164004.GG2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 11:13:08AM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > I'm okay now (Internet and pinging local addresses). I guess I figured it > out while you were sending this. Here is my /etc/network/interfaces file > now (same as yours only I had to add a connection for Internet): > > # The loopback network interface > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > > # The primary network interface > > auto eth0 eth1 > > iface eth0 inet static > address 192.168.0.2 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > network 192.168.0.0 > broadcast 192.168.0.255 > gateway 192.168.0.1 > > #iface eth0 inet dhcp > > iface eth1 inet dhcp > address 192.168.0.225 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > gateway 192.168.0.1 > > I'm assuming that the cable modem will reset the Internet interface IP info > (in /etc/network/interfaces) whenever I reboot the modem or PC or > whatever.. That configuration makes no sense. You can NOT have two interfaces on the same subnet (192.168.0.* in your case). It simply doesn't know which one it should send data out of in that case. Of course the dhcp line should simple be: iface eth1 inet dhcp No more. That's it. Done. Perhaps things are working because dhcp is in fact using some completely different address and ignores the rest. At the same time, I would have thought the dhcp interface would be the one to provide the default gateway in general, in which case eth0 should not have any gateway line at all. broadcast and network lines are also completely redundant since the netmask and address are enough to calculate the other two (and is in fact what is being done). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 18:58:48 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:58:48 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <20071211164004.GG2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> <475EA89C.4060807@chrisaitken.net> <20071211160301.GE2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20071211161308.9490.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211164004.GG2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20071211185848.22110.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Lennart Sorensen writes: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 11:13:08AM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> I'm okay now (Internet and pinging local addresses). I guess I figured it >> out while you were sending this. Here is my /etc/network/interfaces file >> now (same as yours only I had to add a connection for Internet): >> >> # The loopback network interface >> auto lo >> iface lo inet loopback >> >> # The primary network interface >> >> auto eth0 eth1 >> >> iface eth0 inet static >> address 192.168.0.2 >> netmask 255.255.255.0 >> network 192.168.0.0 >> broadcast 192.168.0.255 >> gateway 192.168.0.1 >> >> #iface eth0 inet dhcp >> >> iface eth1 inet dhcp >> address 192.168.0.225 >> netmask 255.255.255.0 >> gateway 192.168.0.1 >> >> I'm assuming that the cable modem will reset the Internet interface IP info >> (in /etc/network/interfaces) whenever I reboot the modem or PC or >> whatever.. > > That configuration makes no sense. You can NOT have two interfaces on > the same subnet (192.168.0.* in your case). It simply doesn't know > which one it should send data out of in that case. Okay, I'll go back in and change it. > Of course the dhcp line should simple be: > iface eth1 inet dhcp Interesting that on another machine (ubuntu as well) the entire contents of /etc/network/interfaces is, auto lo iface lo inet loopback It doesn't have an entry for an Internet connection at all - yet I have Internet connectivity. It makes you wonder if this file is being referred to at all (for Internet, anyway). > No more. Or maybe not even that. That's it. Done. Perhaps things are working because dhcp is > in fact using some completely different address and ignores the rest. It's starting to look that way. > At the same time, I would have thought the dhcp interface would be the > one to provide the default gateway in general, in which case eth0 should > not have any gateway line at all. Well, my router documentation instructed that the gateway (router address) is 192.1.68.0.1 > broadcast and network lines are also completely redundant since the > netmask and address are enough to calculate the other two (and is in > fact what is being done). Okay, thanks. Now I have to configure a third computer with local address so it can print to the printer at another machine. Based on my understanding of your instructions, can I add these lines to it's /etc/network/interfaces file?: iface eth1 inet static address 192.168.0.4 netmask 255.255.255.0 Chris > -- > Len Sorensen > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 19:05:50 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:05:50 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <475EBA28.8070106-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> <475EBA28.8070106@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20071211190551.27022.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> James Knott writes: > I assume you're using DHCP. Is there any reason you can't assign a > dedicated IP address to that computer's MAC address? Wouldn't that mean I can't have a LAN address as well? We have on eprinter attached to one computer and the other three computers need to print to it. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 19:07:59 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:07:59 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <20071211185848.22110.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> <475EA89C.4060807@chrisaitken.net> <20071211160301.GE2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20071211161308.9490.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211164004.GG2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20071211185848.22110.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20071211190759.GH2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 01:58:48PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Interesting that on another machine (ubuntu as well) the entire contents of > /etc/network/interfaces is, > > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > > It doesn't have an entry for an Internet connection at all - yet I have > Internet connectivity. It makes you wonder if this file is being referred > to at all (for Internet, anyway). It probably uses network manager along with udev and simply runs dhcp by default on any interface that doesn't have a configuration. > Well, my router documentation instructed that the gateway (router address) > is 192.1.68.0.1 Sure, IF that router is your internet connection. If it is not, then that router isn't really the router. I have run a wireless router in the past with nothing connected to the WAN port, and just connected the machines to the switch ports and then used one of those machines as the gateway with the internet connection attached directly to it. > Okay, thanks. Now I have to configure a third computer with local address > so it can print to the printer at another machine. Based on my > understanding of your instructions, can I add these lines to it's > /etc/network/interfaces file?: > > iface eth1 inet static > address 192.168.0.4 > netmask 255.255.255.0 Well that ought to work. Assuming it is a debian like system that is. You can have either: internet --- eth1 [PC working as gateaway] eth0 --- switch/wifi AP/router --- other machines in which case eth1 would run dhcp or pppoe or whatever the connection needs, and either the switch/router runs dhcp but configured to use the eth0 address as gateway, or you disable dhcp server on the switch/router and run it on the gateway PC instead (which is what I have done) and let it assign the eth0 as gateway to the local dhcp clients. In your case it actually sounds a bit like you aren't using dhcp at all on your switch/router and should just be pointing everybody with static IPs at the IP of the machine with the internet connection. other option: internet --- router --- all other machines In this case everybody can just run dhcp and use whatever the router tells them to use as gateway. So which are you doing? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 19:08:51 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:08:51 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <20071211190551.27022.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> <475EBA28.8070106@rogers.com> <20071211190551.27022.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20071211190851.GI2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:05:50PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Wouldn't that mean I can't have a LAN address as well? We have on eprinter > attached to one computer and the other three computers need to print to it. You should draw a diagram of what is connected to what. See my other email. It is getting a bit confusing. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 19:33:46 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:33:46 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <20071211190551.27022.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> <475EBA28.8070106@rogers.com> <20071211190551.27022.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <475EE61A.8050700@rogers.com> chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > James Knott writes: > >> I assume you're using DHCP. Is there any reason you can't assign a >> dedicated IP address to that computer's MAC address? > > Wouldn't that mean I can't have a LAN address as well? We have on > eprinter attached to one computer and the other three computers need to > print to it. Judging from the other messages, it's hard to see what it is you want. I assume you want both a local lan address as well as one assigned by an ISP. Is that correct? If so, you need 2 addresses, the 2nd being an "alias". IIRC, if you want both a static and DHCP address on a NIC, only the alias can have a DHCP address. As someone else mentioned, you cannot have two addresses on the same subnet assigned to the NIC. A little more detail about what precisely you're trying to do would help, instead of trying to guess what you're doing. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 22:53:37 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:53:37 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <20071211190851.GI2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> <475EBA28.8070106@rogers.com> <20071211190551.27022.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211190851.GI2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <475F14F1.1000706@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:05:50PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >>Wouldn't that mean I can't have a LAN address as well? We have on eprinter >>attached to one computer and the other three computers need to print to it. >> >> > >You should draw a diagram of what is connected to what. See my other >email. It is getting a bit confusing. > > Sorry, though I'm reluctant to draw a diagram (in a text editor then cut & pasted into an email?). Everytime I try to make an email pretty (like, say, tabbing entries in fstab lines so it is readable), it gets tossed around by the mail apps until it looks worse. I can't imagine how a diagram would come out - though I've seen people post good diagrams. Do you guys cut & paste stuff made in vi or what? What about wrapping - does that have to be played with? And, no, I don't know what I'm talking about... I have four computers: cpc (connected by usb to a printer which is shared), ppc, dpc, and bpc. All four computers are attached to a router. The router is attached to the cable modem. The cable modem is attached to, well, the Internet. That's it. ppc, ppc, and bpc all print (vian cups) to cpc's printer. Chris >-- >Len Sorensen >-- > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 23:06:41 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:06:41 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <475EE61A.8050700-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> <475EBA28.8070106@rogers.com> <20071211190551.27022.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <475EE61A.8050700@rogers.com> Message-ID: <475F1801.7020608@chrisaitken.net> James Knott wrote: > chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> James Knott writes: >> >> >>> I assume you're using DHCP. Is there any reason you can't assign a >>> dedicated IP address to that computer's MAC address? >> >> >> Wouldn't that mean I can't have a LAN address as well? We have on >> eprinter attached to one computer and the other three computers need >> to print to it. > > > Judging from the other messages, it's hard to see what it is you want. > I assume you want both a local lan address as well as one assigned by > an ISP. Is that correct? Exactly. If so, you need 2 addresses, the 2nd being an "alias". Okay. IIRC, if you want both a static and DHCP address on a NIC, only the alias can have a DHCP address. Okay. As someone else mentioned, you cannot have two addresses on the same subnet assigned to the NIC. A little more detail about what precisely you're trying to do would help, instead of trying to guess what you're doing. Okay. I gave a verbal diagram in another email. Here it is so you have it handy: I have four computers: cpc (connected by usb to a printer which is shared) runs ubuntu 7.10, ppc (fedora core 4), dpc (ubuntu 7.10), and bpc (fedora 7) All four computers are attached to a router. The router is attached to the cable modem. The cable modem is attached to, well, the Internet. That's it. ppc, ppc, and bpc all print (vian cups) to cpc's printer. Just so we're clear, I'm okay now - I mean I am printing to the remote printer and all computers are on the Internet. Lennart is still concerned as my /etc/network/interfaces is "working" it is a bit funky. Maybe, the next cable modem reboot, or computer reboot I'll have trouble because of this crazy /etc/network/interfaces file (on cpc by the way). dpc is the next computer I want to configure with a local address so it can print to cpc's printer. Interestingly, it has no entry whatsoever in /etc/network/interfaces for dhcp-assigned connection though it is happily on the Internet as we write. It seems to truly be getting it's address from the cable modem (and through the router) with no help from any configuration file. Thanks, Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 11 23:02:39 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:02:39 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <475F14F1.1000706-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> <475EBA28.8070106@rogers.com> <20071211190551.27022.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211190851.GI2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475F14F1.1000706@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <475F170F.9060003@rogers.com> Chris Aitken wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:05:50PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> >> >>> Wouldn't that mean I can't have a LAN address as well? We have on >>> eprinter attached to one computer and the other three computers need >>> to print to it. >> >> You should draw a diagram of what is connected to what. See my other >> email. It is getting a bit confusing. >> >> > Sorry, though I'm reluctant to draw a diagram (in a text editor then > cut & pasted into an email?). Everytime I try to make an email pretty > (like, say, tabbing entries in fstab lines so it is readable), it gets > tossed around by the mail apps until it looks worse. I can't imagine > how a diagram would come out - though I've seen people post good > diagrams. Do you guys cut & paste stuff made in vi or what? What about > wrapping - does that have to be played with? And, no, I don't know > what I'm talking about... > > I have four computers: > cpc (connected by usb to a printer which is shared), > ppc, > dpc, and > bpc. > > All four computers are attached to a router. The router is attached to > the cable modem. The cable modem is attached to, well, the Internet. > That's it. ppc, ppc, and bpc all print (vian cups) to cpc's printer. > So, all your computers are behind the firewall and not connected directly to the internet. So all you have to do, is assign a permanent IP address to the one with the printer. You can either assign a static address on the computer, or configure the router to always assign the same IP address to that computer. If you configure a static address on that computer, make sure the address is outside the DHCP range, but within the subnet range. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 02:44:04 2007 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:44:04 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <475F1801.7020608-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EE61A.8050700@rogers.com> <475F1801.7020608@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <200712112144.04875.mervc@eol.ca> On Tuesday 11 December 2007 18:06, Chris Aitken wrote: > > I have four computers: > cpc (connected by usb to a printer which is shared) runs ubuntu 7.10, > ppc (fedora core 4), > dpc (ubuntu 7.10), and > bpc (fedora 7) > > All four computers are attached to a router. The router is attached to > the cable modem. The cable modem is attached to, well, the Internet. > That's it. ppc, ppc, and bpc all print (vian cups) to cpc's printer. > I am not a Network whiz but I wonder why you want to use dhcp? Are you afraid of your hosts file getting too big? I have 6 computers in the house, all with static addresses, attached to a router [192.168.0.1] which connects to the ADSL Modem. I have a printer on a print server with its own static address. All computers know all the others, all connect via NFS. Usually there are never more than a couple on at a time since there are only 2 users in the house. The mythtv backend is always on and us two. But my old computers get dedicated to specific tasks in different places in the house for convenience. -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Debian Sid Linux Desktop KDE 3.5.7 KMail 1.9.5 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From isss_ca-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 03:18:06 2007 From: isss_ca-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Sergey) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:18:06 -0500 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: December 11th Meeting. In-Reply-To: <634106.33033.qm-DooQHYYYUaiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <634106.33033.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Colin McGregor wrote: > Just a reminder regarding the next GTALug meeting. > > Date > > Tuesday December 11, 2007 > > Time > > 7:30 pm > > Topic > > MythTV - What's New and Wonderful. > > Speakers > > Colin McGregor > > Description > > This talk is about various new things going on with > MythTV. > > Location > > Assuming that we find this room empty at the appointed > time: > > Room GB248, Galbraith Building, University of > Toronto > Toronto, Ontario M5S 3G8 > University of Toronto > > Schedule > > 6:00 PM - There will be an informal get together of > Linux fans at the Pho Hung restaurant 350 Spadina Ave. > to talk about Linux related topics over Vietnamese > style food. > > 7:30 PM - Meeting and presentation. > > Late evening - After the presentation a large group of > Linux fans will move to the GSU Pub, 16 Bancroft Ave., > for further informal socializing. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > One more site: http://freetoronto.tv -- Best regards, Sergey -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 06:48:36 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:48:36 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <475F14F1.1000706-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> <475EBA28.8070106@rogers.com> <20071211190551.27022.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211190851.GI2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475F14F1.1000706@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071212014836.50236ce4@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Chris Aitken wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > >On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:05:50PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > > > >>Wouldn't that mean I can't have a LAN address as well? We have on eprinter > >>attached to one computer and the other three computers need to print to it. > >> > >> > > > >You should draw a diagram of what is connected to what. See my other > >email. It is getting a bit confusing. > > > > > Sorry, though I'm reluctant to draw a diagram (in a text editor then cut > & pasted into an email?). Everytime I try to make an email pretty (like, > say, tabbing entries in fstab lines so it is readable), it gets tossed > around by the mail apps until it looks worse. I can't imagine how a > diagram would come out - though I've seen people post good diagrams. Do > you guys cut & paste stuff made in vi or what? What about wrapping - > does that have to be played with? And, no, I don't know what I'm talking > about... > > I have four computers: > cpc (connected by usb to a printer which is shared), > ppc, > dpc, and > bpc. > > All four computers are attached to a router. The router is attached to > the cable modem. The cable modem is attached to, well, the Internet. ...and the leg bone's connected to the... ;) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: I finally meet a nice girl with a pair of legs that don't quite unexpectedly... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 07:55:16 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:55:16 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <475E7C35.8000102-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <475E7C35.8000102@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071212025516.478b78e0@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Chris Aitken wrote: > JoeHill wrote: > whack > >>Yeah, I installed that before I got the error. apt-get install > >>vorbis-tools. Funny you should mention that. I actually installed it to > >>support an application called audio-convert.That app is working for me. I > >>noticed that gtkpod does not have the iPod that is mine - it was called > >>iPod nano 4 GB video (or close to that) when we did the svn installs (et > >>al) on the fedora 7 machine (before the hard drive died). I probably have > >>to do all that svn stuff again - no? > >> > >> > > > >No, if you installed the gtkpod and libgpod from the ppa repo, that should do > >it. The only thing missing from the libgpod you installed is the ability to > >get the firewire ID of the Nano. You will need to do it manually, but it's > >not that difficult. From the libgpod README.sysinfo: > > > >"The 2nd method requires more manual intervention. First, you need to get > >your firewire id manually. To do that, run "sudo lsusb -v | grep -i > >Serial" (without the "") with your iPod plugged in, this should print a 16 > >character long string like 00A1234567891231. For an iPod Touch, this number > >will be much longer than 16 characters, the firewire ID is constituted by > >the first 16 characters. Once you have that number, > >create/edit /mnt/ipod/iPod_Control/Device/SysInfo (if your iPod is mounted > >at /mnt/ipod). Add to that file the line below: FirewireGuid: > >0xffffffffffffffff (replace ffffffffffffffff with the string you obtained at > >the previous step and don't forget the trailing 0x before the string) > >Save that file, and you should be all set. Be careful when using apps which > >lets you manually specify which iPod model you own, they may overwrite that > >file when you do that. So if after doing that libgpod still seems to write > >invalid content to the iPod, double-check the content of that SysInfo file to > >make sure the FirewireGuid line you added isn't gone. If that happens, readd > >it to the end of the file, and make sure libgpod rewrite the iPod content." > > > > > > > Okay, so I skip (below) most of what I did on the fedora 7 box and skip > to the last line? IO just don't want to put you guys through > what's-my-next-step hell again. > > Chris > > a. remove the RPM's for gtkpod and libgpod. Wait, now I'm confused. I thought the Nano was going to be used on the Ubuntu machine...? If not, then yes, follow the instructions for building svn. Only the 'make install' step needs to be run as root, and that's the last step. All else as user. From what you wrote it looks like you've got everything you need in terms of dependencies...except that gtk error. If you're still getting that, you need the gtk2 devel package, who the heck knows what it's called on Fedora but you can do a search for it using yum or the graphical package manager I would presume. Someone posted a pretty detailed yum howto in regards to this IIRC. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Fry: What are we going to do? Professor: Duh, I know, let's play the lottery. Amy: No, let's buy internet stock. Zoidberg: On margin! Zoidbee wants to buy on margin. Hermes: Look at me! I'm invisible. Fry: Wait a minute, I know what's going on here. You've all become idiots. Bender: Hey, let's go join the Reform party! Everyone: Yeah! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 13:42:12 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:42:12 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <200712112144.04875.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EE61A.8050700@rogers.com> <475F1801.7020608@chrisaitken.net> <200712112144.04875.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <475FE534.304@chrisaitken.net> Merv Curley wrote: >On Tuesday 11 December 2007 18:06, Chris Aitken wrote: > > > >>I have four computers: >>cpc (connected by usb to a printer which is shared) runs ubuntu 7.10, >>ppc (fedora core 4), >>dpc (ubuntu 7.10), and >>bpc (fedora 7) >> >>All four computers are attached to a router. The router is attached to >>the cable modem. The cable modem is attached to, well, the Internet. >>That's it. ppc, ppc, and bpc all print (vian cups) to cpc's printer. >> >> >> >I am not a Network whiz but I wonder why you want to use dhcp? Are you afraid >of your hosts file getting too big? > > I don't want to use dhcp - it's just that the cable modem gives me an address to get on the Internet - that's the only dhcp I'm interested in. >I have 6 computers in the house, all with static addresses, attached to a >router [192.168.0.1] which connects to the ADSL Modem. > Yeah, that's the part where you get an address assigned via dhcp. > I have a printer on a >print server with its own static address. All computers know all the others, >all connect via NFS. > >Usually there are never more than a couple on at a time since there are only 2 >users in the house. The mythtv backend is always on and us two. But my old >computers get dedicated to specific tasks in different places in the house >for convenience. > > Yeah, my scenario is similar minus the mythtv and NFS (unless I use NFS without knowing it). Chris > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 13:37:33 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:37:33 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <20071211160301.GE2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> <475EA89C.4060807@chrisaitken.net> <20071211160301.GE2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0712120537w5c2d4874h239d0a547bfdce61@mail.gmail.com> Could you clarify what the issues might be with this config? I've had it working for years this way without any issues thus far. On Dec 11, 2007 11:03 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:11:24AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > > > > > > This is getting worse. I found a site that advises how to set a static > > ip. Unfortunately I couldn't find instructions how to set up static (for > > local network) AND dhcp-assigned (for Internet). I should have printed > > out my /etc/network/interfaces file but didn't - so now I don't have the > > default to reset it to to at least get my Internet back. So, here's the > > butchered /etc/network/interfaces file (maybe you can see what I am > > trying to do): > > > > #primary network interface > > auto eth0:1 > > iface eth0:1 inet static > > address 192.168.0.2 > > netmask 255.255.255.0 > > network 192.168.0.0 > > broadcast 192.168.0.255 > > gateway 192.168.0.1 > > > > #iface eth0 inet dhcp > > address 192.168.0.225 > > netmask 255.255.255.0 > > gateway 192.168.0.1 > > > > I guess my next step will be to look at the /etc/network/interfaces file > > on the computer I'm on right now. It's a fedora 7 box so I nope that > > nothing will be different. > > That setup looks wrong. You have essentially set it to have dhcp on > eth0 and also have an alias that is a static IP. That doesn't work > well. You /etc/network/interfaces should be: > > #primary network interface > auto eth0 > iface eth0 inet static > address 192.168.0.2 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > gateway 192.168.0.1 > > And hopefully you also have something like: > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > > That should do it all. > > -- > Len Sorensen > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 477-1784 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 13:47:08 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:47:08 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071212025516.478b78e0-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <475E7C35.8000102@chrisaitken.net> <20071212025516.478b78e0@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <475FE65C.9060009@chrisaitken.net> JoeHill wrote: >Chris Aitken wrote: > > > >>JoeHill wrote: >> >> >> > >whack > > > >>>>Yeah, I installed that before I got the error. apt-get install >>>>vorbis-tools. Funny you should mention that. I actually installed it to >>>>support an application called audio-convert.That app is working for me. I >>>>noticed that gtkpod does not have the iPod that is mine - it was called >>>>iPod nano 4 GB video (or close to that) when we did the svn installs (et >>>>al) on the fedora 7 machine (before the hard drive died). I probably have >>>>to do all that svn stuff again - no? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>No, if you installed the gtkpod and libgpod from the ppa repo, that should do >>>it. The only thing missing from the libgpod you installed is the ability to >>>get the firewire ID of the Nano. You will need to do it manually, but it's >>>not that difficult. From the libgpod README.sysinfo: >>> >>>"The 2nd method requires more manual intervention. First, you need to get >>>your firewire id manually. To do that, run "sudo lsusb -v | grep -i >>>Serial" (without the "") with your iPod plugged in, this should print a 16 >>>character long string like 00A1234567891231. For an iPod Touch, this number >>>will be much longer than 16 characters, the firewire ID is constituted by >>>the first 16 characters. Once you have that number, >>>create/edit /mnt/ipod/iPod_Control/Device/SysInfo (if your iPod is mounted >>>at /mnt/ipod). Add to that file the line below: FirewireGuid: >>>0xffffffffffffffff (replace ffffffffffffffff with the string you obtained at >>>the previous step and don't forget the trailing 0x before the string) >>>Save that file, and you should be all set. Be careful when using apps which >>>lets you manually specify which iPod model you own, they may overwrite that >>>file when you do that. So if after doing that libgpod still seems to write >>>invalid content to the iPod, double-check the content of that SysInfo file to >>>make sure the FirewireGuid line you added isn't gone. If that happens, readd >>>it to the end of the file, and make sure libgpod rewrite the iPod content." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Okay, so I skip (below) most of what I did on the fedora 7 box and skip >>to the last line? IO just don't want to put you guys through >>what's-my-next-step hell again. >> >>Chris >> >>a. remove the RPM's for gtkpod and libgpod. >> >> > >Wait, now I'm confused. I thought the Nano was going to be used on the Ubuntu >machine...? > > Yes, it is. Sorry, I just cut & pasted the stuff I did on the fedora machine. I know I won't be using rpm on ubuntu. I would just see that step as remove gtkpod and libgpod, if necessary (apt-get remove or whatever). >If not, then yes, follow the instructions for building svn. Only the 'make >install' step needs to be run as root, and that's the last step. All else as >user. > > So, so the steps (with a little modification) look okay for ubuntu. If so, I'll get started on that today. >From what you wrote it looks like you've got everything you need in terms of >dependencies...except that gtk error. If you're still getting that, you need >the gtk2 devel package, who the heck knows what it's called on Fedora but you >can do a search for it using yum or the graphical package manager I would >presume. Someone posted a pretty detailed yum howto in regards to this IIRC. > > I'm installing on ubuntu this time. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 13:51:20 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:51:20 -0500 Subject: : Message-ID: <475FE758.9040603@chrisaitken.net> How do you guys keep your Subject lines so neat? I have to delete the Re:[TLUG]: every time I reply to an email. If I don't, I eventually get Re:[TLUG]:Re:[TLUG]:Re:[TLUG]: I went through preferences in Thunderbird and don't see anything about this. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 14:04:37 2007 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:04:37 -0500 Subject: : In-Reply-To: <475FE758.9040603-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <475FE758.9040603@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <475FEA75.7030004@totaltravelmarketing.com> That's odd, I use thunderbird, and messages replied more than twice, only display RE:XXXXX, I don't think I have changed anything, I pretty much use the default configuration, what version are you running on, I am on 2.0.0.9, but even with older version don't remember that kind of behavior Chris Aitken wrote: > How do you guys keep your Subject lines so neat? I have to delete the > Re:[TLUG]: every time I reply to an email. If I don't, I eventually > get Re:[TLUG]:Re:[TLUG]:Re:[TLUG]: > > I went through preferences in Thunderbird and don't see anything about > this. > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 14:26:15 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:26:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: MythTV presentation sources and resources. Message-ID: <138382.75306.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just to follow-up from last evening's GTALug meeting here are some sources and resources that Greater Toronto Area MythTV fans should find useful. My current home set-up is a main box (acting as both client and server), but it is my plan to set-up a bedroom client box (and get rid of the extra cable outlet that I am currently paying Rogers a few $/mo. for :-) ). MythTV sources and resources: www.mythtv.org - Main site - great wiki. www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html - Knoppix & MythTV www.mythbuntu.org - Ubuntu based MythTV installer g-ding.tv/?q=MythDora - Fedora based MythTV installer www.pchdtv.com - Linux friendly HDTV tuner cards www.silicondust.com - Builds a tuner to Ethernet box www.hauppauge.com - PVR series are great analog tuners www.silverstonetek.com - Great home theater cases www.schedulesdirect.org - MythTV schedule data www.lyngsat-logo.com - TV channel logos www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/index.html - GTA HDTV Channels www.linuxjournal.com/article/8658 - My 2005 take on MythTV (warning: some of the material in this article is now out of date). "Sergey" noted the following site: freetoronto.tv - Free TV in the GTA -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 14:26:37 2007 From: lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:26:37 -0500 Subject: 64-bit or 32-bit Linux Message-ID: <380-2200712312142637541@M2W040.mail2web.com> I have been running 32-bit Kubuntu for a while and it has been working quite well. I am considering to switch to 64-bit Gutsy. Are there any caveats to be aware of, like limited package availability? Also, is there a significant speed improvement when running in 64-bit mode? TIA Ladislav Svatos -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 14:09:49 2007 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:09:49 -0500 Subject: Please Vote No to OOXML / Information on Our Delegation In-Reply-To: <30F8783C5C1D1E4EA6C5EEDB0C258DEF017E1DED-JNK4x++k7tX4ENcYuM7WCYT4S9po1h25@public.gmane.org> References: <4759E10F.1090208@golden.net> <30F8783C5C1D1E4EA6C5EEDB0C258DEF017E1DED@mail1.langroup.local> Message-ID: <475FEBAD.1080506@golden.net> Well I received the answer from the SCC this morning. It's late but then I'm only a citizen with no clout. As requested here are the answers. The answer to C is not very reassuring though. I have forwarded this information here as well http://www.ffii.org/ John Roz Waddell wrote: > Good Morning > I hope the following will answer your questions: > > A. Who will represent SCC on DIS 29500 at the Ballot Resolution Meeting > in Geneva? > > Answer: The Canadian Technical Committee on Information Technology > (CAC/JTC1) has proposed a delegation of representatives for the BRM. It > may be that attendance at the BRM is limited and the delegation size may > have to be pruned. > > B. When will the decision on delegates be made and if SCC is aware of > the Dec 11 deadline? > > Answer: The list of delegates has been submitted to the SC34 committee > and acknowledged by its Secretariat Manager. > > C. Are our national delegates for the BRM independent enough from > Microsoft? > > Answer: It is not up to the CAC/JTC1 committee to measure any > dependence or independence of interested parties who have volunteered to > contribute to the process. Canada is represented at the BRM by the > Canadian Chair, as the Head of Delegation. The rest of the delegation > is there in support of the Chair's representation. JTC1 sought > volunteers to the process of developing Canada's vote on the ballot, and > it sought volunteers to be part of the delegation. > > D. Does the responsible Committee of SCC for DIS 29500 work on > resolution proposals for all the 3500 comments tabled or - if at all - > only for the national comments that they submitted? > > Answer: The delegation participates in the meeting process however it > develops, contributing where it hopes to be useful, and questioning > where issues need to be clarified. The objective is to determine if > Canada should change its current vote or keep its current vote before > the time that the vote is formally closed, approximately 30 days after > the BRM. Certainly all topics discussed would have the potential of > being of interest to Canada, but one could not answer your question in > advance of actually being there. > > For further information you may also wish to review the BRM FAQ at: > > http://www.jtc1sc34.org/repository/0932.htm > > Thank you for your interest in the work. Please let us know if you wish > to participate in the Canadian shadow committee for the ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC > 34 subcommittee, and we can forward to you the relevant details. > > > Roz Waddell > Program Officer, IEC, ISO, JTC1 > Standards Council of Canada > 270 Albert St > Ottawa, ON K1P 6N7 > 613-238-3222 > rwaddell-bQIvYHx8j8w at public.gmane.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Myshrall [mailto:jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org] > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 7:11 PM > To: Roz Waddell > Subject: Please Vote No to OOXML / Information on Our Delegation > Importance: High > > Roz Waddell Senior Program Officer > > Hi Roz > > I was given your name to contact in regards to Canada's position. As a > very concerned Canadian I am hopeful we continue to vote no to this > non-open standard. Would you please forward some information pertaining > to the questions below. > > a. Who will represent SCC on DIS 29500 at the Ballot > Resolution Meeting in Geneva? > > b. When will the decision on delegates be made and if SCC is > aware of the Dec 11 deadline? > > c. Does your national delegates for the BRM are independent enough > from Microsoft? > > d. Does the responsible Committee of SCC for DIS 29500 work > on resolution proposals for all the 3500 comments tabled or - if > at > all - only for the national comments that they submitted? > > > Thanks > > John Myshrall > Mississauga Ontario, Canada > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 14:41:14 2007 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:41:14 -0500 Subject: MythTV presentation sources and resources. In-Reply-To: <138382.75306.qm-JoSsSUNfUciB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <138382.75306.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <475FF30A.1010307@totaltravelmarketing.com> I would add mythdora to the list: http://g-ding.tv/ I had way too many problems with using the tvout signal out of my haupagge 350, I tried all of the version below, none of them work, I finally settled with mythdora and worked almost out of the box, I only had to fix a couple of config files for the tv out, and got my stuff done Colin McGregor wrote: > Just to follow-up from last evening's GTALug meeting > here are some sources and resources that Greater > Toronto Area MythTV fans should find useful. > > My current home set-up is a main box (acting as both > client and server), but it is my plan to set-up a > bedroom client box (and get rid of the extra cable > outlet that I am currently paying Rogers a few $/mo. > for :-) ). > > MythTV sources and resources: > > www.mythtv.org - Main site - great wiki. > > www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html - Knoppix & MythTV > www.mythbuntu.org - Ubuntu based MythTV installer > g-ding.tv/?q=MythDora - Fedora based MythTV installer > > www.pchdtv.com - Linux friendly HDTV tuner cards > www.silicondust.com - Builds a tuner to Ethernet box > www.hauppauge.com - PVR series are great analog tuners > www.silverstonetek.com - Great home theater cases > > www.schedulesdirect.org - MythTV schedule data > www.lyngsat-logo.com - TV channel logos > > www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/index.html - GTA HDTV > Channels > > www.linuxjournal.com/article/8658 - My 2005 take on > MythTV (warning: some of the material in this article > is now out of date). > > "Sergey" noted the following site: > freetoronto.tv - Free TV in the GTA > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 14:42:07 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:42:07 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <475F14F1.1000706-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> <475EBA28.8070106@rogers.com> <20071211190551.27022.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211190851.GI2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <475F14F1.1000706@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071212144207.GJ2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 05:53:37PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Sorry, though I'm reluctant to draw a diagram (in a text editor then cut > & pasted into an email?). Everytime I try to make an email pretty (like, > say, tabbing entries in fstab lines so it is readable), it gets tossed > around by the mail apps until it looks worse. I can't imagine how a > diagram would come out - though I've seen people post good diagrams. Do > you guys cut & paste stuff made in vi or what? What about wrapping - > does that have to be played with? And, no, I don't know what I'm talking > about... I use mutt with vim as my editor, so yes they are done in vi. Whatever you use make sure you tell it your text is preformated and then you can do everything. Do not use tabs, only spaces. > I have four computers: > cpc (connected by usb to a printer which is shared), > ppc, > dpc, and > bpc. > > All four computers are attached to a router. The router is attached to > the cable modem. The cable modem is attached to, well, the Internet. > That's it. ppc, ppc, and bpc all print (vian cups) to cpc's printer. OK, so why would any of your computers need more than one network connection? They all connect to the router, so there is no reason for more than one connection on any of them is there? What settings does the router give you via dhcp? gateway of 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.0.254 or something else? What range of IPs did you configure it to hand out via dhcp? As long as your static setup uses the same gateway and dns as the router hands out via dhcp and you pick a static ip that is outside the range it hands out for dhcp, then things should work just fine. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 14:44:05 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:44:05 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <475F1801.7020608-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> <475EBA28.8070106@rogers.com> <20071211190551.27022.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <475EE61A.8050700@rogers.com> <475F1801.7020608@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071212144405.GK2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 06:06:41PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > James Knott wrote: > > >chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > >>James Knott writes: > >> > >> > >>>I assume you're using DHCP. Is there any reason you can't assign a > >>>dedicated IP address to that computer's MAC address? > >> > >> > >>Wouldn't that mean I can't have a LAN address as well? We have on > >>eprinter attached to one computer and the other three computers need > >>to print to it. > > > > > >Judging from the other messages, it's hard to see what it is you want. > >I assume you want both a local lan address as well as one assigned by > >an ISP. Is that correct? > > Exactly. > > If so, you need 2 addresses, the 2nd being an "alias". > > Okay. > > IIRC, if you want both a static and DHCP address on a NIC, only the > alias can have a DHCP address. > > Okay. > > As someone else mentioned, you cannot have two addresses on the same > subnet assigned to the NIC. A little more detail about what precisely > you're trying to do would help, instead of trying to guess what you're > doing. > > Okay. I gave a verbal diagram in another email. Here it is so you have > it handy: > > I have four computers: > cpc (connected by usb to a printer which is shared) runs ubuntu 7.10, > ppc (fedora core 4), > dpc (ubuntu 7.10), and > bpc (fedora 7) > > All four computers are attached to a router. The router is attached to > the cable modem. The cable modem is attached to, well, the Internet. > That's it. ppc, ppc, and bpc all print (vian cups) to cpc's printer. > > Just so we're clear, I'm okay now - I mean I am printing to the remote > printer and all computers are on the Internet. Lennart is still > concerned as my /etc/network/interfaces is "working" it is a bit funky. > Maybe, the next cable modem reboot, or computer reboot I'll have trouble > because of this crazy /etc/network/interfaces file (on cpc by the way). > dpc is the next computer I want to configure with a local address so it > can print to cpc's printer. Interestingly, it has no entry whatsoever in > /etc/network/interfaces for dhcp-assigned connection though it is > happily on the Internet as we write. It seems to truly be getting it's > address from the cable modem (and through the router) with no help from > any configuration file. The router gets an address from the cable modem. Everyone else gets an address from the router (which masquarades the outbound traffic). You can't pass a dhcp request through the router to the cable modem since they are seperate networks (well dhcprelay could, but that gets very complicated and a cable modem wouldn't support that). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 14:57:40 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:57:40 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0712120537w5c2d4874h239d0a547bfdce61-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> <475EA89C.4060807@chrisaitken.net> <20071211160301.GE2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef0712120537w5c2d4874h239d0a547bfdce61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071212145740.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:37:33AM -0500, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Could you clarify what the issues might be with this config? I've had > it working for years this way without any issues thus far. Certainly in the past I have seen that dhcp clients refuse to work on an interface that already has an IP, or in other cases they will delete the other interfaces and then get a dhcp address. It is also normal to use dhcp for dynamic clients (although you can also map them by mac address which I actually tend to do), and certainly only for clients needing a single IP. Servers needing multiple IPs on one network for some reason (like web servers with multiple https addresses) tend to be entirely static IPs. > On Dec 11, 2007 11:03 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:11:24AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > This is getting worse. I found a site that advises how to set a static > > > ip. Unfortunately I couldn't find instructions how to set up static (for > > > local network) AND dhcp-assigned (for Internet). I should have printed > > > out my /etc/network/interfaces file but didn't - so now I don't have the > > > default to reset it to to at least get my Internet back. So, here's the > > > butchered /etc/network/interfaces file (maybe you can see what I am > > > trying to do): > > > > > > #primary network interface > > > auto eth0:1 > > > iface eth0:1 inet static > > > address 192.168.0.2 > > > netmask 255.255.255.0 > > > network 192.168.0.0 > > > broadcast 192.168.0.255 > > > gateway 192.168.0.1 > > > > > > #iface eth0 inet dhcp > > > address 192.168.0.225 > > > netmask 255.255.255.0 > > > gateway 192.168.0.1 Of course on closer inspection I see that only eth0:1 is set to start (the auto line), while the other is actually commented out, although I wonder if blank lines break sections, or if iface lines break sections. After all if blank lines don't break sections, the above actuall has two address lines for eth0:1 telling it first to be .2 then to be .225, and only one of them can win. Hopefully blank lines do break sections. The documentation seems to simply say options follow on subsequent lines, which I guess could be read to mean blank lines end a section since it would no longer be subsequent. If that is the case, the last 3 lines above simply do nothing as they are not valid. Of course then it would make more sense to delete the last 4 lines entirely, and change eth0:1 to eth0 everywhere else since it is already the only interface enabled. The only thing left to do would be to make sure there is a name-server listed in /etc/resolv.conf, which dhcp often takes care of, but for static IPs you have to do it manually. If it is using resolvconf to manage /etc/resolv.conf then it has to be added using the command: echo name-server 192.168.0.1 | resolvconf -a eth0 Assuming 192.168.0.1 is in fact the nameserver. If resolvconf is not in use then one just adds the name-server line to /etc/resolv.conf manually. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 14:58:45 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:58:45 -0500 Subject: : In-Reply-To: <475FE758.9040603-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <475FE758.9040603@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071212145845.GM2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:51:20AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > How do you guys keep your Subject lines so neat? I have to delete the > Re:[TLUG]: every time I reply to an email. If I don't, I eventually get > Re:[TLUG]:Re:[TLUG]:Re:[TLUG]: > > I went through preferences in Thunderbird and don't see anything about this. Smart mail clients know what 'Re:' means in all its various forms. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 15:20:50 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:20:50 -0500 Subject: 64-bit or 32-bit Linux In-Reply-To: <380-2200712312142637541-iGcg4HUYDwSZ8YYJsr7BYUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <380-2200712312142637541@M2W040.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <7ac602420712120720v2e6549c5rd08f6004049fb353@mail.gmail.com> Certain binary-only packages (such as Flash, and some "Windows-only" movie codecs) are only available in 32-bit mode. Some applications might be less stable (a few years ago, when I tried 64-bit Gentoo, OpenOffice.org wasn't ready for 64-bit, IIRC). The binary-only packages can generally be used by creating a 32-bit chroot environment so, if Gutsy is on the ball, you might not notice the problem. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 15:24:31 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:24:31 -0500 Subject: 64-bit or 32-bit Linux In-Reply-To: <7ac602420712120720v2e6549c5rd08f6004049fb353-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <380-2200712312142637541@M2W040.mail2web.com> <7ac602420712120720v2e6549c5rd08f6004049fb353@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <475FFD2F.8060907@utoronto.ca> Ian Petersen wrote: > Certain binary-only packages (such as Flash, and some "Windows-only" > movie codecs) are only available in 32-bit mode. Some applications > might be less stable (a few years ago, when I tried 64-bit Gentoo, > OpenOffice.org wasn't ready for 64-bit, IIRC). > > The binary-only packages can generally be used by creating a 32-bit > chroot environment so, if Gutsy is on the ball, you might not notice > the problem. Been using 64bit Debian & Fedora for 2 years on my desktop now, no problems. Try nspluginwrapper for a 64bit compatible wrapper for 32bit flash in Firefox. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 15:59:29 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:59:29 -0500 Subject: 64-bit or 32-bit Linux In-Reply-To: <380-2200712312142637541-iGcg4HUYDwSZ8YYJsr7BYUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <380-2200712312142637541@M2W040.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <20071212155929.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 09:26:37AM -0500, lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > I have been running 32-bit Kubuntu for a while and it has been working > quite well. I am considering to switch to 64-bit Gutsy. Are there any > caveats to be aware of, like limited package availability? Also, is there a > significant speed improvement when running in 64-bit mode? For many programs there is, although others have no change. The improvements for some programs can be 10 to 20%. The only issues are for things like binary only browser plugins (like adobe flash and the like), although there is actually a plugin wrapper that lets 32bit plugins run on 64bit browsers. For the most part everything works fine on 64bit by now. One of these days windows users might be able to imagine that being the case for them too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 16:07:29 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:07:29 -0500 Subject: 64-bit or 32-bit Linux In-Reply-To: <380-2200712312142637541-iGcg4HUYDwSZ8YYJsr7BYUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <380-2200712312142637541@M2W040.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <47600741.6080209@rogers.com> lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > I have been running 32-bit Kubuntu for a while and it has been working > quite well. I am considering to switch to 64-bit Gutsy. Are there any > caveats to be aware of, like limited package availability? Also, is there a > significant speed improvement when running in 64-bit mode? > TIA I run 64 bit SUSE and the only issue is browser plugins, so I have to run 32 bit versions of Seamonkey and Firefox. With SUSE, it's no problem to run 32 bit apps as well as 64 bit. Also, with 64 bit vi, you can edit some really large files! ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 17:04:13 2007 From: hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Henry de Valence) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:04:13 -0500 Subject: 64-bit or 32-bit Linux In-Reply-To: <380-2200712312142637541-iGcg4HUYDwSZ8YYJsr7BYUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <380-2200712312142637541@M2W040.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <200712121204.13627.hdevalence@gmail.com> On December 12, 2007 09:26:37 am lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > I have been running 32-bit Kubuntu for a while and it has been working > quite well. I am considering to switch to 64-bit Gutsy. Are there any > caveats to be aware of, like limited package availability? Also, is there a > significant speed improvement when running in 64-bit mode? I'm in the same situation. Is it possible to convert a 32bit install to a 64bit one without wiping the drive? -- Harry de Valence -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 17:16:28 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:16:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: MythTV presentation sources and resources. In-Reply-To: <475FF30A.1010307-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <475FF30A.1010307@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <739907.58298.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Jose wrote: > I would add mythdora to the list: > > http://g-ding.tv/ If you look closely you will see I already had that in the list :-) . > I had way too many problems with using the tvout > signal out of my > haupagge 350, I tried all of the version below, none > of them work, I > finally settled with mythdora and worked almost out > of the box, I only > had to fix a couple of config files for the tv out, > and got my stuff done I got a (used) Hauppauge PVR-350 card recently and I have been meaning to try the TV function on that card. In the mean time I am using the card as just a regular analog tuner. Happy to hear that Mythdora works for you. In my case I am running KnoppMyth, which was the first MythTV centric distribution. I have briefly looked at Mythdora and Mythbuntu, both of which seemed nice enough, but neither seemed so nice as to give me a compelling reason change distributions. Colin McGregor > Colin McGregor wrote: > > Just to follow-up from last evening's GTALug > meeting > > here are some sources and resources that Greater > > Toronto Area MythTV fans should find useful. > > > > My current home set-up is a main box (acting as > both > > client and server), but it is my plan to set-up a > > bedroom client box (and get rid of the extra cable > > outlet that I am currently paying Rogers a few > $/mo. > > for :-) ). > > > > MythTV sources and resources: > > > > www.mythtv.org - Main site - great wiki. > > > > www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html - Knoppix & > MythTV > > www.mythbuntu.org - Ubuntu based MythTV installer > > g-ding.tv/?q=MythDora - Fedora based MythTV > installer > > > > www.pchdtv.com - Linux friendly HDTV tuner cards > > www.silicondust.com - Builds a tuner to Ethernet > box > > www.hauppauge.com - PVR series are great analog > tuners > > www.silverstonetek.com - Great home theater cases > > > > www.schedulesdirect.org - MythTV schedule data > > www.lyngsat-logo.com - TV channel logos > > > > www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/index.html - GTA HDTV > > Channels > > > > www.linuxjournal.com/article/8658 - My 2005 take > on > > MythTV (warning: some of the material in this > article > > is now out of date). > > > > "Sergey" noted the following site: > > freetoronto.tv - Free TV in the GTA -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 17:38:09 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:38:09 -0500 Subject: 64-bit or 32-bit Linux In-Reply-To: <200712121204.13627.hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <380-2200712312142637541@M2W040.mail2web.com> <200712121204.13627.hdevalence@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071212173809.GO2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 12:04:13PM -0500, Henry de Valence wrote: > I'm in the same situation. Is it possible to convert a 32bit install to a > 64bit one without wiping the drive? No not really. I suppose technically you could install a 64bit kernel (certainly debian includes one with the 32bit version), and then create a chroot and do a 64bit install there, and eventually move over to using that one, but that's still doing a reinstall except the hard way. You could of course backup your config files (/etc) and your package list (dpkg --get-selections > listofpackages) and then after installing a base system with 64 bit you can ask dpkg to install the same packages (dpkg --set-selections < listofpackages; apt-get dselect-upgrade) then restore your config files to the new installs /etc. That should be pretty quick. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 17:56:19 2007 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:56:19 -0500 Subject: MythTV presentation sources and resources. In-Reply-To: <739907.58298.qm-57gzaD/7YRGB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <739907.58298.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <476020C3.1050202@totaltravelmarketing.com> Sorry my mistake. I looked around a lot, and tried I can't remember how many hours on mythubuntu and KnoppMyth, but I always had the same problem, no tvout signal, with mythubuntu got audio out only no video to the tv. I am really hoping for the new mythdora version, but can't see much coming up on their website Colin McGregor wrote: > --- Jose wrote: > >> I would add mythdora to the list: >> >> http://g-ding.tv/ >> > > If you look closely you will see I already had that in > the list :-) . > > >> I had way too many problems with using the tvout >> signal out of my >> haupagge 350, I tried all of the version below, none >> of them work, I >> finally settled with mythdora and worked almost out >> of the box, I only >> had to fix a couple of config files for the tv out, >> and got my stuff done >> > > I got a (used) Hauppauge PVR-350 card recently and I > have been meaning to try the TV function on that card. > In the mean time I am using the card as just a regular > analog tuner. > > Happy to hear that Mythdora works for you. In my case > I am running KnoppMyth, which was the first MythTV > centric distribution. I have briefly looked at > Mythdora and Mythbuntu, both of which seemed nice > enough, but neither seemed so nice as to give me a > compelling reason change distributions. > > Colin McGregor > > >> Colin McGregor wrote: >> > > >>> Just to follow-up from last evening's GTALug >>> >> meeting >> >>> here are some sources and resources that Greater >>> Toronto Area MythTV fans should find useful. >>> >>> My current home set-up is a main box (acting as >>> >> both >> >>> client and server), but it is my plan to set-up a >>> bedroom client box (and get rid of the extra cable >>> outlet that I am currently paying Rogers a few >>> >> $/mo. >> >>> for :-) ). >>> >>> MythTV sources and resources: >>> >>> www.mythtv.org - Main site - great wiki. >>> >>> www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html - Knoppix & >>> >> MythTV >> >>> www.mythbuntu.org - Ubuntu based MythTV installer >>> g-ding.tv/?q=MythDora - Fedora based MythTV >>> >> installer >> >>> www.pchdtv.com - Linux friendly HDTV tuner cards >>> www.silicondust.com - Builds a tuner to Ethernet >>> >> box >> >>> www.hauppauge.com - PVR series are great analog >>> >> tuners >> >>> www.silverstonetek.com - Great home theater cases >>> >>> www.schedulesdirect.org - MythTV schedule data >>> www.lyngsat-logo.com - TV channel logos >>> >>> www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/index.html - GTA HDTV >>> Channels >>> >>> www.linuxjournal.com/article/8658 - My 2005 take >>> >> on >> >>> MythTV (warning: some of the material in this >>> >> article >> >>> is now out of date). >>> >>> "Sergey" noted the following site: >>> freetoronto.tv - Free TV in the GTA >>> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 18:27:18 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:27:18 -0500 Subject: MythTV presentation sources and resources. In-Reply-To: <476020C3.1050202-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <739907.58298.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <476020C3.1050202@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <20071212182718.GP2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 12:56:19PM -0500, Jose wrote: > I looked around a lot, and tried I can't remember how many hours on > mythubuntu and > > KnoppMyth, but I always had the same problem, no tvout signal, with > mythubuntu got audio out only no video to the tv. I am really hoping for > the new mythdora version, but can't see much coming up on their website Hmm, I use a PVR500 and just run an nvidia FX5200 with svideo out to the TV. Seems pretty simple that way. Sure I don't get a hardware mpeg2 decoder, but I do get Xv accaleration at least. Will also be simple if I ever get an HDTV since I have outputs for component HD on the card as well (but no DVI unfortunately. I would have to borrow the card from my other machine to get that). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 19:28:02 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:28:02 -0500 Subject: 64-bit or 32-bit Linux In-Reply-To: <20071212173809.GO2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <380-2200712312142637541@M2W040.mail2web.com> <200712121204.13627.hdevalence@gmail.com> <20071212173809.GO2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0712121128p2e677d04l719dadd84c87f510@mail.gmail.com> You know, I've always wished there was a way to install packages based on what existed on a preview/other server. Apparently there is! Thanks for that little tidbit of info, it's very useful! On Dec 12, 2007 12:38 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 12:04:13PM -0500, Henry de Valence wrote: > > I'm in the same situation. Is it possible to convert a 32bit install to a > > 64bit one without wiping the drive? > > No not really. > > I suppose technically you could install a 64bit kernel (certainly debian > includes one with the 32bit version), and then create a chroot and do a > 64bit install there, and eventually move over to using that one, but > that's still doing a reinstall except the hard way. > > You could of course backup your config files (/etc) and your package list > (dpkg --get-selections > listofpackages) and then after installing a > base system with 64 bit you can ask dpkg to install the same packages > (dpkg --set-selections < listofpackages; apt-get dselect-upgrade) then > restore your config files to the new installs /etc. That should be > pretty quick. > > -- > Len Sorensen > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 477-1784 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 19:29:50 2007 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:29:50 -0500 Subject: 64-bit or 32-bit Linux In-Reply-To: <380-2200712312142637541-iGcg4HUYDwSZ8YYJsr7BYUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <380-2200712312142637541@M2W040.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0712121129i4a1e6513u1c7e87ce24eff50e@mail.gmail.com> In addition to the possible issues mentioned by other there seem to be a bunch of little differences in terms of packages available. I noticed that some of the various theme, cursor, etc packages I like weren't in amd64. That being said, you can grab the ia32 version and install them anyways with dpkg --force-architecture somepackage.deb So it's something of a moot point in many cases unless the package has specific ia32 dependencies. On Dec 12, 2007 9:26 AM, lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > I have been running 32-bit Kubuntu for a while and it has been working > quite well. I am considering to switch to 64-bit Gutsy. Are there any > caveats to be aware of, like limited package availability? Also, is there a > significant speed improvement when running in 64-bit mode? > TIA > > Ladislav Svatos > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com - Microsoft(R) Exchange solutions from a leading provider - > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 477-1784 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 20:17:57 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:17:57 -0500 Subject: 64-bit or 32-bit Linux In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0712121129i4a1e6513u1c7e87ce24eff50e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <380-2200712312142637541@M2W040.mail2web.com> <3a97ef0712121129i4a1e6513u1c7e87ce24eff50e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071212201757.GQ2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 02:29:50PM -0500, Tyler Aviss wrote: > In addition to the possible issues mentioned by other there seem to be > a bunch of little differences in terms of packages available. I > noticed that some of the various theme, cursor, etc packages I like > weren't in amd64. > > That being said, you can grab the ia32 version and install them anyways with > dpkg --force-architecture somepackage.deb > > So it's something of a moot point in many cases unless the package has > specific ia32 dependencies. --force-* is generally a bad unless you know what you are doing. If you know what you are doing you will almost always know that you don't want to use the --force option. Anything like cursors and other data files SHOULD be architecture all anyhow and hence be available for all acrhitectures already. If they are not then that would be a bug in the package. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 23:39:49 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:39:49 -0500 Subject: WiFi worms: the next generation of virus Message-ID: <20071212233949.GA21645@waltdnes.org> Article at http://arxivblog.com/?p=170 referencing another article at http://arxiv.org/abs/0706.3146 Click on the "PDF" link at the upper right for the full 22-page PDF. WiFi Epidemiology: Can Your Neighbors' Router Make Yours Sick? Authors: Hao Hu, Steven Myers, Vittoria Colizza, Alessandro Vespignani (Submitted on 21 Jun 2007) Abstract: In densely populated urban areas WiFi routers form a tightly interconnected proximity network that can be exploited as a substrate for the spreading of malware able to launch massive fraudulent attack and affect entire urban areas WiFi networks. In this paper we consider several scenarios for the deployment of malware that spreads solely over the wireless channel of major urban areas in the US. We develop an epidemiological model that takes into consideration prevalent security flaws on these routers. The spread of such a contagion is simulated on real-world data for geo-referenced wireless routers. We uncover a major weakness of WiFi networks in that most of the simulated scenarios show tens of thousands of routers infected in as little time as two weeks, with the majority of the infections occurring in the first 24 to 48 hours. We indicate possible containment and prevention measure to limit the eventual harm of such an attack. -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 02:34:32 2007 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:34:32 -0500 Subject: Updating Ubuntu 6.04 to 7.10 Message-ID: <47609A38.2000409@rogers.com> Is a test of endurance. lol Good thing there has been a good Raptors game on. Going form 6.04 to 6.10 was a 1,000 file download and took 75 minutes. 6.10 to 7.04 seems about the same. Will 7.04 to 7.10 be the same? Good thing I am patient tonight. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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It seems to me that it ought to be useful to ask questions about: a) What, if anything, they intend to present to the BRM process; b) What changes in the standard the Canadian representatives intend either to support or to propose. In the long run, the point of these bodies isn't to either support or oppose Microsoft, it is to set up the standards that they are empowered to set. Engaging IN THAT seems like the right idea. My father was involved in Ottawa with some of the municipal education politics (until his sons were no longer in school in the region ;-)), and I saw arguably similar sorts of things happen there. Frequently, people who had some single-purpose platform of interest might wander in every couple of years, raising "flak," but essentially accomplishing nothing. I recall one case where the school board had proposed bringing in some common book of "prayer readings," at which point, a certain element in some religious communities would turn out in force, just barely long enough to show themselves off to be ignorant boors who were clearly more interested in making noise than in actually preventing what they claimed was bad. Had those folk consistently participated in the process over a period of time, with a degree of "shutting up until they knew what they were up to," they might have grown to: a) Know who might be amenable to listening to them; b) By virtue of participating in *other* issues, they might earn a modicum of respect; c) They'd understand something of the political process, so that they'd know, for instance, when it's useful to act (e.g. - early on), and when things have reached a point where policies have "set" (like epoxy!) to the point of being difficult or impossible to change. There was, of course, no risk of such folk actually having any effect on things, because they never engaged long enough with the political process to be able to be effectual. Those three factors seem like they're likely to be useful in this political process, too. It's probably on the late side to be feeling them out as to who they are, and how they intend to represent Canadian interests, at least for this phase, but those seem like great things to try to probe. Merely saying "Microsoft Bad!" seems like the useless sort of reactionary approach... Expressing concern at the appearance that some corporate interests seem to be trying to hijack the overall process does not seem inappropriate. And expressing *specific interests* in document format seems like a real good approach. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 14:39:52 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:39:52 -0500 Subject: Updating Ubuntu 6.04 to 7.10 In-Reply-To: <47609A38.2000409-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47609A38.2000409@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20071213143952.GR2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 09:34:32PM -0500, Stephen wrote: > Is a test of endurance. lol > > Good thing there has been a good Raptors game on. > > Going form 6.04 to 6.10 was a 1,000 file download and took 75 minutes. > > 6.10 to 7.04 seems about the same. > > Will 7.04 to 7.10 be the same? > > Good thing I am patient tonight. Well it entirely depends on which packages changed. It is also quite possible that an upgrade from 6.04 to 7.10 directly (assuming ubuntu supports doing such a thing) would not be much bigger than any of the other updates. There often seems to be a certain set of packages that always get updated no matter what (kernel, libc, gnome, kde, etc). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 15:09:21 2007 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:09:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Updating Ubuntu 6.04 to 7.10 In-Reply-To: <20071213143952.GR2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47609A38.2000409@rogers.com> <20071213143952.GR2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: I'm thinking of doing this upgrade (ubuntu dapper to Edgy) too. I haven't tried to upgrade ubuntu before and wanted to ask what is the best way to do this? By modifying the source list and using the apt-get distribution upgrade or by using an upgrade manager or simply reinstalling from a CD? Alex On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 09:34:32PM -0500, Stephen wrote: >> Is a test of endurance. lol >> >> Good thing there has been a good Raptors game on. >> >> Going form 6.04 to 6.10 was a 1,000 file download and took 75 minutes. >> >> 6.10 to 7.04 seems about the same. >> >> Will 7.04 to 7.10 be the same? >> >> Good thing I am patient tonight. > > Well it entirely depends on which packages changed. It is also quite > possible that an upgrade from 6.04 to 7.10 directly (assuming ubuntu > supports doing such a thing) would not be much bigger than any of the > other updates. There often seems to be a certain set of packages that > always get updated no matter what (kernel, libc, gnome, kde, etc). > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 15:38:00 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:38:00 -0500 Subject: mod_python on Debian stable? In-Reply-To: <20071213031030.GA29197-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20071213031030.GA29197@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20071213153800.GS2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 10:10:30PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Is there a set of magic words to get python scripts to get executed by > apache on Debian? > > I have followed the instructions from here: > http://www.modpython.org/live/current/doc-html/modpython.html > > But all I get is the program output as plain text by the browser. > > Versions: > libapache2-mod-python/etch uptodate 3.2.10-4 > apache2/etch uptodate 2.2.3-4+etch1 > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Well it asked me when I installed the package if I wanted to enable the module (to which I said yes). Other than that, the info in the corosponding -doc package seems to cover what you have to add to either .htaccess or the config to enable a python handler (the tutorial in the docs seems to cover it well). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 15:41:19 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:41:19 -0500 Subject: Updating Ubuntu 6.04 to 7.10 In-Reply-To: References: <47609A38.2000409@rogers.com> <20071213143952.GR2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20071213154118.GT2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 10:09:21AM -0500, Alex Maynard wrote: > I'm thinking of doing this upgrade (ubuntu dapper to Edgy) too. I > haven't tried to upgrade ubuntu before and wanted to ask what > is the best way to do this? By modifying the source list and using the > apt-get distribution upgrade or by using an upgrade manager or simply > reinstalling from a CD? Change sources.list and upgrade using aptitude or synaptic (or possible apt-get dist-upgrade, although aptitude dist-upgrade is better). Reinstalls are for broken distributions only. I have a machine that runs debian that was installed using debian 2.1 in 1999, and upgraded ever since. It now runs 4.0 and is still running as well as any freshly installed machine. I would expect ubuntu to do as well. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 16:14:04 2007 From: lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:14:04 -0500 Subject: Virtualization on Linux Message-ID: <380-220071241316144300@M2W016.mail2web.com> Thank you everyone for answering my 64- vs. 32-bit Linux question. 64-bit seems to be the way to go, however I still need to run some Windows applications. Virtualization technologies are mature enough to abandon dual booting, but I am not sure which implementation is best. I am leaning towards KVM. From a tutorial I found it seems to be easy to set up. Any advice? TIA Ladislav Svatos -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft? Windows? and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 17:02:49 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:02:49 +0000 Subject: MythTV presentation sources and resources. In-Reply-To: <138382.75306.qm-JoSsSUNfUciB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <138382.75306.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Dec 12, 2007 2:26 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > Just to follow-up from last evening's GTALug meeting > here are some sources and resources that Greater > Toronto Area MythTV fans should find useful. Note: I have added all of these links to the GTALUG wiki: http://gtalug.org/wiki/MythTV In the long run, making the wiki better, in this way, should be more useful than suggesting that people search out a series of email messages and searching them for URLs... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 18:21:59 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:21:59 -0500 Subject: Updating Ubuntu 6.04 to 7.10 In-Reply-To: <20071213154118.GT2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47609A38.2000409@rogers.com> <20071213143952.GR2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20071213154118.GT2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <47617847.3030403@telly.org> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Reinstalls are for broken distributions only. May be, but for sheer time consumed in performing more than four complete Ubuntu upgrades it may be faster to backup data, reinstall and restore data. > I have a machine that > runs debian that was installed using debian 2.1 in 1999, and upgraded > ever since. It now runs 4.0 and is still running as well as any freshly > installed machine. I would expect ubuntu to do as well. > There is a problem with the Canadian localization files in Kubuntu 7.10 that causes menus to look wonky after an upgrade (see http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10136391/kubuntubug.png). The problem does not appear if you set your locale to USA or UK. A recent update to the package "language-pack-en" (version "1:7.10+20071120") fixes many (but not all) of the problems; hopefully future updates will fix the rest. (It's reported with Ubuntu on launchpad as bug #135084.) You will likely not encounter this if upgrading GNOME-based Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 18:33:03 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:33:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: OLPC Review Message-ID: <1740.99.232.68.237.1197570783.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Further to the discussion on the OLPC machine, here is an interesting review, mentioned on Slashdot: http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7140443.stm -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 18:42:52 2007 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:42:52 -0500 Subject: Please Vote No to OOXML / Information on Our Delegation In-Reply-To: References: <4759E10F.1090208@golden.net> <30F8783C5C1D1E4EA6C5EEDB0C258DEF017E1DED@mail1.langroup.local> <475FEBAD.1080506@golden.net> Message-ID: <47617D2C.9080704@golden.net> Christopher Browne wrote: > On Dec 12, 2007 9:09 AM, John Myshrall wrote: > >> Well I received the answer from the SCC this morning. It's late but then >> I'm only a citizen with no clout. As requested here are the answers. >> The answer to C is not very reassuring though. >> > > It seems to me that it ought to be useful to ask questions about: > > a) What, if anything, they intend to present to the BRM process; > It's all over the media. BRM will not cover discussion over the comments that were made. http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=2007121304552774 North Americans don't seem to care about this stuff though. > b) What changes in the standard the Canadian representatives intend > either to support or to propose. > > In the long run, the point of these bodies isn't to either support or > oppose Microsoft, it is to set up the standards that they are > empowered to set. > As long as they meet their mandate and mission. http://www.scc.ca/en/about/governance/mission.shtml http://www.scc.ca/en/about/governance/mandate.shtml > Engaging IN THAT seems like the right idea. > > My father was involved in Ottawa with some of the municipal education > politics (until his sons were no longer in school in the region ;-)), > and I saw arguably similar sorts of things happen there. > > Frequently, people who had some single-purpose platform of interest > might wander in every couple of years, raising "flak," but essentially > accomplishing nothing. > I recall one case where the school board had proposed bringing in some > common book of "prayer readings," at which point, a certain element in > some religious communities would turn out in force, just barely long > enough to show themselves off to be ignorant boors who were clearly > more interested in making noise than in actually preventing what they > claimed was bad. Had those folk consistently participated in the > process over a period of time, with a degree of "shutting up until > they knew what they were up to," they might have grown to: > a) Know who might be amenable to listening to them; > b) By virtue of participating in *other* issues, they might earn a > modicum of respect; > c) They'd understand something of the political process, so that > they'd know, for instance, when it's useful to act (e.g. - early on), > and when things have reached a point where policies have "set" (like > epoxy!) to the point of being difficult or impossible to change. > > There was, of course, no risk of such folk actually having any effect > on things, because they never engaged long enough with the political > process to be able to be effectual. > > Those three factors seem like they're likely to be useful in this > political process, too. > > It's probably on the late side to be feeling them out as to who they > are, and how they intend to represent Canadian interests, at least for > this phase, but those seem like great things to try to probe. > > Merely saying "Microsoft Bad!" seems like the useless sort of > reactionary approach... > Who's saying that ? Doing nothing achieves nothing too. > Expressing concern at the appearance that some corporate interests > seem to be trying to hijack the overall process does not seem > inappropriate. And expressing *specific interests* in document format > seems like a real good approach. > Those question were direct from the FFII. Read here http://www.scc.ca/en/about/index.shtml If they allow individuals from X company to promote their agenda then they contradict this statement. Thanks but no thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 18:45:04 2007 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:45:04 -0500 Subject: Virtualization on Linux In-Reply-To: <380-220071241316144300-AXlxqXJ1gZqZ8YYJsr7BYUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <380-220071241316144300@M2W016.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <49e826e90712131045qf88f584sfdcf3a5257bf10c3@mail.gmail.com> Actually KVM is implemented in the new linux kernel. You will need a CPU with virtualiztion enabled like Intel-VT or AMD-Pacifica. A nice comparison is available here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines Asaf On Dec 13, 2007 11:14 AM, lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Thank you everyone for answering my 64- vs. 32-bit Linux question. 64-bit > seems to be the way to go, however I still need to run some Windows > applications. Virtualization technologies are mature enough to abandon > dual > booting, but I am not sure which implementation is best. I am leaning > towards KVM. From a tutorial I found it seems to be easy to set up. Any > advice? > TIA > > Ladislav Svatos > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft(R) Windows(R) and Linux web and application > hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- "I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." - Richard P. Feynman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 19:28:08 2007 From: lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:28:08 -0500 Subject: Virtualization on Linux Message-ID: <380-220071241319288727@M2W034.mail2web.com> >Actually KVM is implemented in the new linux kernel. You will need a CPU >with virtualiztion enabled like Intel-VT or AMD-Pacifica. > >A nice comparison is available here: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines > > >Asaf > I came across the table when doing my research. What I am looking for is real-life experience with installation, configuration, and software stability. I run VMware WindowsXP virtualization on WindowsXP at work. VMware seems to be very stable, but I would prefer a FOSS solution on my Linux box. Ladislav -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 19:34:36 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:34:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: MythTV presentation sources and resources. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <911611.38773.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Christopher Browne wrote: > On Dec 12, 2007 2:26 PM, Colin McGregor > wrote: > > Just to follow-up from last evening's GTALug > meeting > > here are some sources and resources that Greater > > Toronto Area MythTV fans should find useful. > > Note: I have added all of these links to the GTALUG > wiki: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/MythTV Looked okay. I've just tweaked the above a bit further, and there is further room for improvement. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 19:49:33 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:49:33 -0500 Subject: Virtualization on Linux In-Reply-To: <380-220071241319288727-7hEIo8Sut0qZ8YYJsr7BYUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <380-220071241319288727@M2W034.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <200712131449.36809.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On December 13, 2007 02:28:08 pm lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >Actually KVM is implemented in the new linux kernel. You will need a > > CPU with virtualiztion enabled like Intel-VT or AMD-Pacifica. > > > >A nice comparison is available here: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines > > > > > >Asaf > > I came across the table when doing my research. What I am looking for > is real-life experience with installation, configuration, and > software stability. > I run VMware WindowsXP virtualization on WindowsXP at work. VMware > seems to be very stable, but I would prefer a FOSS solution on my > Linux box. Qemu with kqemu for kernel acceleration is a very workable virtualization tool. If I had to ballpark it, I'd say there is no more than a 5% penalty without any virtualization extensions built into my chip. Without kqemu, qemu it is nearly unusable though. Also, qemu can convert and use vmware files, or physical partitions for virtual machines as well. Worth checking out for desktop virtualization. For server stuff, well I'm biased towards Xen since that's what we use at work. Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 21:08:53 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:08:53 -0500 Subject: Updating Ubuntu 6.04 to 7.10 In-Reply-To: <47617847.3030403-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <47609A38.2000409@rogers.com> <20071213143952.GR2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20071213154118.GT2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47617847.3030403@telly.org> Message-ID: <20071213210853.GU2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 01:21:59PM -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Reinstalls are for broken distributions only. > May be, but for sheer time consumed in performing more than four > complete Ubuntu upgrades it may be faster to backup data, reinstall and > restore data. Almost certainly not. You would still have to get all your packages installed again and configured. Performaing a backup would take a very long time for many people if they have any real quantity of data. > There is a problem with the Canadian localization files in Kubuntu 7.10 > that causes menus to look wonky after an upgrade (see > http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10136391/kubuntubug.png). > > The problem does not appear if you set your locale to USA or UK. A > recent update to the package > "language-pack-en" (version "1:7.10+20071120") fixes many (but not all) > of the problems; hopefully future updates will fix the rest. (It's > reported with Ubuntu on launchpad as bug #135084.) Canada has it's own locale? > You will likely not encounter this if upgrading GNOME-based Ubuntu > rather than Kubuntu. I always just assume KDE has bugs. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 21:15:57 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:15:57 -0500 Subject: Updating Ubuntu 6.04 to 7.10 In-Reply-To: <20071213210853.GU2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47609A38.2000409@rogers.com> <20071213143952.GR2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20071213154118.GT2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47617847.3030403@telly.org> <20071213210853.GU2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4761A10D.7020401@telly.org> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> The problem does not appear if you set your locale to USA or UK. A >> recent update to the package >> "language-pack-en" (version "1:7.10+20071120") fixes many (but not all) >> of the problems; hopefully future updates will fix the rest. (It's >> reported with Ubuntu on launchpad as bug #135084.) >> > > Canada has it's own locale? > Why not? Canadian English is not exactly the same as either UK or US. We use "colour" but we also use "finalize". - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 23:27:45 2007 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:27:45 -0500 Subject: Updating Ubuntu 6.04 to 7.10 In-Reply-To: <20071213143952.GR2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47609A38.2000409@rogers.com> <20071213143952.GR2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4761BFF1.5030005@rogers.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 19:18:31 2007 From: sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris Gow) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:18:31 -0500 Subject: Updating Ubuntu 6.04 to 7.10 In-Reply-To: References: <47609A38.2000409@rogers.com> <20071213143952.GR2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200712131418.31227.sniffy@rogers.com> On Thursday 13 December 2007 10:09:21 Alex Maynard wrote: > I'm thinking of doing this upgrade (ubuntu dapper to Edgy) too. I > haven't tried to upgrade ubuntu before and wanted to ask what > is the best way to do this? By modifying the source list and using the > apt-get distribution upgrade or by using an upgrade manager or simply > reinstalling from a CD? As far as I am aware, *buntu does not support direct upgrades from LTS (6.06) to non-LTS versions (every other version up till 8.04). So....if you want to update, you'll either need to install edgy, then feisty and then finally gutsy. Or you could just back up all your important stuff and reinstall gutsy. You could also attempt an upgrade, but from what I've seen on the kubuntu-users and ubuntu-ca mailing lists, people haven't been very successful with it. -- chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 02:21:07 2007 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:21:07 -0500 Subject: Updating Ubuntu 6.04 to 7.10 In-Reply-To: <200712131418.31227.sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47609A38.2000409@rogers.com> <20071213143952.GR2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200712131418.31227.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4761E893.1070306@rogers.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 03:56:17 2007 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:56:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Updating Ubuntu 6.04 to 7.10 In-Reply-To: <4761E893.1070306-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47609A38.2000409@rogers.com> <20071213143952.GR2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200712131418.31227.sniffy@rogers.com> <4761E893.1070306@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Stephen wrote: > Chris Gow wrote: > > You could also attempt an upgrade, but from what I've seen on the > kubuntu-users and ubuntu-ca mailing lists, people haven't been very > successful with it. > > > My upgrade was uneventful, even if it took a while. Mine also seemed to go fine (on the first computer, haven't tried the others yet). Do you think I should keep upgrading it, say to feisty or gutsy? I would like to have it current but also relatively stable. I'm not sure what the best stopping point is at the moment? Alex > > Stephen > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 05:21:21 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:21:21 -0500 Subject: [PRIVATE] Re:Updating Ubuntu 6.04 to 7.10 In-Reply-To: References: <47609A38.2000409@rogers.com> <4761BFF1.5030005@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200712140021.25469.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On December 13, 2007 09:37:02 pm D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG > | requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to > | UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > Note that your message was in HTML. That should be added to the wiki page for the mailing list, otherwise you have to send to the list first to get the footer that says not to send html. Also, some justification for not using html would be appropriate for the wiki (many of us use Mutt etc.). Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 14:29:25 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:29:25 -0500 Subject: glxgears frame rate benchmark Message-ID: <20071214092925.c5b86446.tleslie@tcn.net> I have felt my graphics a little pokey on my new gutsy set up. I ran glxgears, and got 11000 FPS on the detault window size. I then scaled the window (just pulled on right bottom corner to resize), and the FPS changes quite a bit, i.e. goes down to 400 FPS on full screen. Now given that these GPU's (I'm using nvidia 7900GT), render shaded polygons and such (in card), I am very very surprized that the FPS would change that much over a window size change. I be interested in what others get when they run glxgears and alter the window size, and what card it is on, i.e. ATI, nvidia, I am also using the new nvidia beta driver that is supposed to be the cats ass, but having the glxgear FPS go down to 400 FPS on full screen looks to be an issue from what I can see, and maybe i have something set up wrong. -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 15:00:18 2007 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:00:18 -0500 Subject: Syncing Dev\Backup Web Site with Public Web\Site Message-ID: <47629A82.6030000@rogers.com> I have a LAMP environment both at home and on my web host. I use a lot of PHP and MySQL. I would like to able to an update on my home system, and then sync the files and database on my web host. In an automated process. Are there any tools that do this? Just looking for suggestions as to where to begin. Thanks Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 15:18:49 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:18:49 -0500 Subject: glxgears frame rate benchmark In-Reply-To: <20071214092925.c5b86446.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20071214092925.c5b86446.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <20071214151849.GV2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 09:29:25AM -0500, ted leslie wrote: > I have felt my graphics a little pokey on my new gutsy set up. > I ran glxgears, and got 11000 FPS on the detault window size. > I then scaled the window (just pulled on right bottom corner to resize), > and the FPS changes quite a bit, i.e. > goes down to 400 FPS on full screen. > > Now given that these GPU's (I'm using nvidia 7900GT), > render shaded polygons and such (in card), > I am very very surprized that the FPS would change that > much over a window size change. > > I be interested in what others get when they run glxgears > and alter the window size, and what card it is on, > i.e. ATI, nvidia, > > I am also using the new nvidia beta driver that is supposed to be the cats ass, > but having the glxgear FPS go down to 400 FPS on full screen looks to be an > issue from what I can see, and maybe i have something set up wrong. If you go full screen glxgears at 1280x1024, then you are rendering just over 1 million pixels per frame, so at 400fps you are doing 400Mpixels/s. That takes a fair bit of memory bandwidth on the card and even if it is a rather trivial thing to render you are still generating those pixels. It would be nice to have a more interesting and complex model to run as a test that would actually use more of the capabilities of a video chip and not give a totally uselessly high frame rate (60fps is plenty for me). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 15:29:47 2007 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:29:47 -0500 Subject: Syncing Dev\Backup Web Site with Public Web\Site In-Reply-To: <47629A82.6030000-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47629A82.6030000@rogers.com> Message-ID: <7ac602420712140729v6df1baefqf796c0c641d07be6@mail.gmail.com> I'm not sure about "standard" ways to upgrade a remote DB (other than, say, Rails-style migrations scripts), but I would think rsync plus some shell-scripting would let you automate the synchronization of your non-DB web content . Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 15:31:47 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:31:47 -0500 Subject: Syncing Dev\Backup Web Site with Public Web\Site In-Reply-To: <7ac602420712140729v6df1baefqf796c0c641d07be6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47629A82.6030000@rogers.com> <7ac602420712140729v6df1baefqf796c0c641d07be6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071214153147.GW2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 10:29:47AM -0500, Ian Petersen wrote: > I'm not sure about "standard" ways to upgrade a remote DB (other than, > say, Rails-style migrations scripts), but I would think rsync plus > some shell-scripting would let you automate the synchronization of > your non-DB web content . Some people use webdav (especially microsofties). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 16:20:56 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Christopher Aitken) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:20:56 -0500 Subject: Please Vote No to OOXML / Information on Our Delegation In-Reply-To: <47617D2C.9080704-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4759E10F.1090208@golden.net> <30F8783C5C1D1E4EA6C5EEDB0C258DEF017E1DED@mail1.langroup.local> <475FEBAD.1080506@golden.net> <47617D2C.9080704@golden.net> Message-ID: <4762AD68.3040903@chrisaitken.net> Forgive the top-post. I wouldn't know what questions to insert where in an interleaved response. When advocacy emails like these are on the list it would be nice if someone would explain in easy terms what's going on and what's at stake. I actually do spend a bit of time reading the emails and some of the links, but I find the information too technical and too much. I need an explanation like, "This is what so-and-so is trying to ram through. If it goes through then linux will basically be illegal to use for Internet access" or "If this goes through Microsoft will come after regular Canadian consumers and sue them for having .ogg files on there computers (even stuff you are just backing up from records and CDs that you own" and "It's a long shot but here is what people are doing to make themselves heard". I know this is asking a lot, but I'd really appreciate some explanation. Chris John Myshrall wrote: > Christopher Browne wrote: >> On Dec 12, 2007 9:09 AM, John Myshrall wrote: >> >>> Well I received the answer from the SCC this morning. It's late but then >>> I'm only a citizen with no clout. As requested here are the answers. >>> The answer to C is not very reassuring though. >>> >> >> It seems to me that it ought to be useful to ask questions about: >> >> a) What, if anything, they intend to present to the BRM process; >> > It's all over the media. BRM will not cover discussion over the > comments that were made. > > http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=2007121304552774 > > North Americans don't seem to care about this stuff though. >> b) What changes in the standard the Canadian representatives intend >> either to support or to propose. >> >> In the long run, the point of these bodies isn't to either support or >> oppose Microsoft, it is to set up the standards that they are >> empowered to set. >> > As long as they meet their mandate and mission. > > http://www.scc.ca/en/about/governance/mission.shtml > > http://www.scc.ca/en/about/governance/mandate.shtml > >> Engaging IN THAT seems like the right idea. >> >> My father was involved in Ottawa with some of the municipal education >> politics (until his sons were no longer in school in the region ;-)), >> and I saw arguably similar sorts of things happen there. >> >> Frequently, people who had some single-purpose platform of interest >> might wander in every couple of years, raising "flak," but essentially >> accomplishing nothing. >> I recall one case where the school board had proposed bringing in some >> common book of "prayer readings," at which point, a certain element in >> some religious communities would turn out in force, just barely long >> enough to show themselves off to be ignorant boors who were clearly >> more interested in making noise than in actually preventing what they >> claimed was bad. Had those folk consistently participated in the >> process over a period of time, with a degree of "shutting up until >> they knew what they were up to," they might have grown to: >> a) Know who might be amenable to listening to them; >> b) By virtue of participating in *other* issues, they might earn a >> modicum of respect; >> c) They'd understand something of the political process, so that >> they'd know, for instance, when it's useful to act (e.g. - early on), >> and when things have reached a point where policies have "set" (like >> epoxy!) to the point of being difficult or impossible to change. >> >> There was, of course, no risk of such folk actually having any effect >> on things, because they never engaged long enough with the political >> process to be able to be effectual. >> >> Those three factors seem like they're likely to be useful in this >> political process, too. >> >> It's probably on the late side to be feeling them out as to who they >> are, and how they intend to represent Canadian interests, at least for >> this phase, but those seem like great things to try to probe. >> >> Merely saying "Microsoft Bad!" seems like the useless sort of >> reactionary approach... >> > Who's saying that ? Doing nothing achieves nothing too. > >> Expressing concern at the appearance that some corporate interests >> seem to be trying to hijack the overall process does not seem >> inappropriate. And expressing *specific interests* in document format >> seems like a real good approach. >> > Those question were direct from the FFII. > > Read here http://www.scc.ca/en/about/index.shtml > > If they allow individuals from X company to promote their agenda > then they contradict this statement. > > Thanks but no thanks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 20:48:43 2007 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:48:43 -0500 Subject: Opera files antitrust complaint with the EU Message-ID: <4762EC2B.5090206@rogers.com> Urges Microsoft to give consumers a genuine choice of standards?compliant Web browsers Oslo, Norway and Brussels, Belgium ? 13 December 2007 Opera Software ASA, the only company that can put the Web on any device, filed a complaint with the European Commission yesterday which is aimed at giving consumers a genuine choice of Web browsers. The complaint describes how Microsoft is abusing its dominant position by tying its browser, Internet Explorer, to the Windows operating system and by hindering interoperability by not following accepted Web standards. Opera has requested the Commission to take the necessary actions to compel Microsoft to give consumers a real choice and to support open Web standards in Internet Explorer. Full story: http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2007/12/13/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 22:09:57 2007 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:09:57 -0500 Subject: java script issues in ie7 Message-ID: <2809817E-C019-4731-80F6-185154F92CB1@visibleassets.com> Anyone know how to get around the array size limit problem in IE7 ? Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 23:40:23 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:40:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: BASH question Message-ID: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> Hey all, I've been banging my head against something all day that *should* be easy/obvious, but obviously not to me... I've got a task (insane, yes, but...) to write a sample script in BASH to call do a mysql database call and parse the results. I've build the call and can get the results showing on the screen, but I've been stumped dumb on how to feed the results, one line at a time, into an array. Any tips/suggestions/helpful whacks up-side the head are much appreciated! Madi PS - Here is what I've got (stripped down) so far... #!/bin/bash # Variables... MYSQLBIN='/usr/bin/mysql'; DBNAME='testdb'; DBUSER='user'; DBPASSWD='secret'; DBPORT='' DBHOST='localhost' # This creates the connection string that will be use in a similar way # that the 'dbh' database handle was used in the Perl and Ruby sample # scripts. # '-b' disables the bell (this is a script, so useless) # '--disable-pager' makes sure the output doesn't get interrupted. # '-Bs' is 'silent' output (s) without tables headers (B), columns are # tab-deliminated. # You may want to look at '-E' for "vertical" output in some cases. # You may want to look at '-X' for XML-formatted output; looks nice! DBH="mysql -Bs -b --disable-pager -D ${DBNAME} -u ${DBUSER} -p${DBPASSWD}"; if [ "${DBPORT}" != "" ]; then { # Append the port command if defined. DBH="${DBH} -P ${DBPORT}" } fi if [ "${DBHOST}" != "" ]; then { # Append the host commend if defined. DBH="${DBH} -h ${DBHOST}"; } fi echo "SQL connection command: [${DBH}]"; # Our sample query QUERY='SELECT foo, bar, baz FROM testtable LIMIT 5;'; echo "Query: [${QUERY}]" # Execute the query. echo "Calling: [${DBH} -e\"${QUERY}\"]"; echo "/- Begin DB results output -=-=-=-=-" ${DBH} -e"${QUERY}"; echo "\\- End DB results output -=-=-=-=-=-" exit; -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 01:20:23 2007 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:20:23 -0500 Subject: BASH question In-Reply-To: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel-GqYTezIbEURL1Y7jC+g/Zg@public.gmane.org> References: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20071215012022.GA7059@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 06:40:23PM -0500, linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > Hey all, > > I've been banging my head against something all day that *should* be > easy/obvious, but obviously not to me... > > I've got a task (insane, yes, but...) to write a sample script in BASH to > call do a mysql database call and parse the results. I've build the call > and can get the results showing on the screen, but I've been stumped dumb > on how to feed the results, one line at a time, into an array. What array, and what results? Post some sample data... -- William Park , Toronto, Canada BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 03:52:52 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:52:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: BASH question In-Reply-To: <20071215012022.GA7059-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <20071215012022.GA7059@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <60859.64.229.146.163.1197690772.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> > On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 06:40:23PM -0500, linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> I've been banging my head against something all day that *should* be >> easy/obvious, but obviously not to me... >> >> I've got a task (insane, yes, but...) to write a sample script in BASH >> to >> call do a mysql database call and parse the results. I've build the call >> and can get the results showing on the screen, but I've been stumped >> dumb >> on how to feed the results, one line at a time, into an array. > > What array, and what results? Post some sample data... Here is a sample output: digimer at crystal:~/projects/jc$ ./test.sh SQL connection command: [mysql -Bs -b --disable-pager -D testdb -u user -psecret -h localhost] Query: [SELECT bkr_key, bkr_lnme, bkr_snme, bkr_sd_nme, ctre_dt, chng_dt FROM BKR LIMIT 5;] Calling: [mysql -Bs -b --disable-pager -D testdb -u user -psecret -h localhost -e"SELECT bkr_key, bkr_lnme, bkr_snme, bkr_sd_nme, ctre_dt, chng_dt FROM BKR LIMIT 5;"] /- Begin DB results output -=-=-=-=- 1 foo bar baz 2006-12-28 2007-12-13 2 yin yang bork 2007-12-14 22:47:51 2007-12-14 3 red green grey 2007-12-14 22:48:08 2007-12-14 4 hot cold warm 2007-12-14 22:48:22 2007-12-14 5 wet dry sticky 2007-12-14 22:48:35 2007-12-14 \- End DB results output -=-=-=-=-=- The part I would like to feed into an array is each of the five lines of output (so that I can parse each line into individual values, but one step at a time). Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 03:57:21 2007 From: andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org (Andrew Cowie) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:57:21 +1100 Subject: Updating Ubuntu 6.04 to 7.10 In-Reply-To: <20071213210853.GU2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <47609A38.2000409@rogers.com> <20071213143952.GR2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20071213154118.GT2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <47617847.3030403@telly.org> <20071213210853.GU2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1197691041.25722.4.camel@moonglow.roaming.operationaldynamics.com> On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 16:08 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Canada has it's own locale? It has several. The obvious ones are en_CA and fr_CA. There's also ik_CA and iu_CA floating around up north, among others. AfC Sydney -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 07:02:47 2007 From: dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org (David C. Chipman) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:02:47 -0500 Subject: BASH question In-Reply-To: <60859.64.229.146.163.1197690772.squirrel-GqYTezIbEURL1Y7jC+g/Zg@public.gmane.org> References: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <20071215012022.GA7059@node1.opengeometry.net> <60859.64.229.146.163.1197690772.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20071215020247.1d46750c@david.chipman> Hi Madi, Could you do this: -- Start code --- for QRY_LINE in $() do ROW_NUM=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $1 }") VAR1=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $2 }') VAR2=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $3 }') VAR2=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $4 }') DATE1=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $5 }') TIME=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $6 }') DATE2=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $7 }') done -- End code -- I hope this works, but get rid of all the stuff above "Begin DB results output", if possible. If you can't you're have to grep it out as a part of "some-mysql-cli-command". Good luck. If I've missed something, let me know, I'm just a hobbyist at this stuff. Good luck! -David Chipman -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 11:47:31 2007 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 06:47:31 -0500 Subject: BASH question In-Reply-To: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel-GqYTezIbEURL1Y7jC+g/Zg@public.gmane.org> References: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> Message-ID: <47637883.30153.1690B24D@sciguy.vex.net> Why BASH? If you want scripting, this looks like a prime candidate for a PERL project. If you insist on BASH, then you will need to teach yourself SED and AWK, which are two good stream-level parsers. > Hey all, > > I've been banging my head against something all day that *should* be > easy/obvious, but obviously not to me... > > I've got a task (insane, yes, but...) to write a sample script in BASH to > call do a mysql database call and parse the results. I've build the call > and can get the results showing on the screen, but I've been stumped dumb > on how to feed the results, one line at a time, into an array. > > Any tips/suggestions/helpful whacks up-side the head are much appreciated! > > Madi > > PS - Here is what I've got (stripped down) so far... > > #!/bin/bash > > # Variables... > MYSQLBIN='/usr/bin/mysql'; > DBNAME='testdb'; > DBUSER='user'; > DBPASSWD='secret'; > DBPORT='' > DBHOST='localhost' > > # This creates the connection string that will be use in a similar way > # that the 'dbh' database handle was used in the Perl and Ruby sample > # scripts. > # '-b' disables the bell (this is a script, so useless) > # '--disable-pager' makes sure the output doesn't get interrupted. > # '-Bs' is 'silent' output (s) without tables headers (B), columns are > # tab-deliminated. > # You may want to look at '-E' for "vertical" output in some cases. > # You may want to look at '-X' for XML-formatted output; looks nice! > DBH="mysql -Bs -b --disable-pager -D ${DBNAME} -u ${DBUSER} -p${DBPASSWD}"; > if [ "${DBPORT}" != "" ]; then > { > # Append the port command if defined. > DBH="${DBH} -P ${DBPORT}" > } > fi > if [ "${DBHOST}" != "" ]; then > { > # Append the host commend if defined. > DBH="${DBH} -h ${DBHOST}"; > } > fi > echo "SQL connection command: [${DBH}]"; > > # Our sample query > QUERY='SELECT foo, bar, baz FROM testtable LIMIT 5;'; > echo "Query: [${QUERY}]" > > # Execute the query. > echo "Calling: [${DBH} -e\"${QUERY}\"]"; > echo "/- Begin DB results output -=-=-=-=-" > ${DBH} -e"${QUERY}"; > echo "\\- End DB results output -=-=-=-=-=-" > exit; > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 11:58:40 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 06:58:40 -0500 Subject: BASH question In-Reply-To: <20071215020247.1d46750c-lQMCrfjKGrJ3Ex1Y5TzZUg@public.gmane.org> References: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <20071215012022.GA7059@node1.opengeometry.net> <60859.64.229.146.163.1197690772.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <20071215020247.1d46750c@david.chipman> Message-ID: <4763C170.90105@alteeve.com> David C. Chipman wrote: > Hi Madi, > > Could you do this: > > -- Start code --- > > for QRY_LINE in $() > do > ROW_NUM=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $1 }") > VAR1=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $2 }') > VAR2=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $3 }') > VAR2=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $4 }') > DATE1=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $5 }') > TIME=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $6 }') > DATE2=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $7 }') > done > > -- End code -- > > I hope this works, but get rid of all the stuff above "Begin DB > results output", if possible. If you can't you're have to grep it out > as a part of "some-mysql-cli-command". Good luck. If I've missed > something, let me know, I'm just a hobbyist at this stuff. Good luck! > > -David Chipman Hi David, The problem I had when ever I tried to do that was ${QRY_LINE} would be the results split on any white space, so every word was a line, regardless of whether it was space, tab or newline seperated... a lot of the (real) data contained one of more words... I need something that would populate the array by splitting on newline and then split the containing data into variables on 'tab'. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 12:00:41 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:00:41 -0500 Subject: BASH question In-Reply-To: <47637883.30153.1690B24D-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <47637883.30153.1690B24D@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <4763C1E9.2050400@alteeve.com> Paul King wrote: > Why BASH? If you want scripting, this looks like a prime candidate for a PERL > project. > > If you insist on BASH, then you will need to teach yourself SED and AWK, which > are two good stream-level parsers. It's for a client, and I already have a perl and ruby version of the same script. He wants the three versions for comparison (he likes bash scripts, knows perl and is interested in ruby). So I just need to figure out how to make it work. I figured I would need to learn sed and awk, but I can't begin that until I can feed each row of the DB query into an array... Hence my question here. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 13:36:08 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Christopher Aitken) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 08:36:08 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071211003602.7b2d5477-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <4763D848.2030905@chrisaitken.net> JoeHill wrote: > chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >> Jamon Camisso writes: >> >> >>> On December 10, 2007 06:44:53 pm chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> >>>> JoeHill writes: >>>> >>>>> chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I don't know whether I'm supposed to go through the whole svn >>>>>> installation of libgpod (and the other stuff that I did that I >>>>>> can't retrace until I re-install Thunderbird on and load the saved >>>>>> mail file from backup) or if the process will be different on >>>>>> ubuntu. >>>>>> >>>>> Told ya it wouldn't be long, just saw this on #gtkpod :-) >>>>> >>>>> Add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list: >>>>> >>>>> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ipod-touch/ubuntu gutsy main >>>>> >>>>> then: >>>>> >>>>> sudo apt-get update >>>>> >>>>> then install libgpod3 and gtkpod, you should be golden. >>>>> >>>> Okay, I did all of that. The songs that are on the iPod are showing >>>> up in gtkpod, but trying to save an .ogg to the iPod I get: >>>> >>>> Conversion of Track2 failed: >>>> '/usr/share/gtkpod/scripts/convert-ogg2mp3.sh' returned exit status >>>> 4. >>>> >>>> Am I still missing some library or whatnot? I'm suing ubuntu 7.10. >>>> >>> I sent a message about installing vorbis-tools, which provides the >>> oggdec binary, which if missing, will throw that "exit status 4" error. >>> >>> Try running "which oggdec" and if it does not find anything, install the >>> vorbis-tools package. >>> >> Yeah, I installed that before I got the error. apt-get install vorbis-tools. >> Funny you should mention that. I actually installed it to support an >> application called audio-convert.That app is working for me. I noticed that >> gtkpod does not have the iPod that is mine - it was called iPod nano 4 GB >> video (or close to that) when we did the svn installs (et al) on the fedora >> 7 machine (before the hard drive died). I probably have to do all that svn >> stuff again - no? >> > > No, if you installed the gtkpod and libgpod from the ppa repo, Sorry to be so thick here. "installed from the ppa repo". Does that mean just do 'sudo apt-get gtkpod' and it will install "from the ppa repo" because it is listed in /etc/apt/sources.list? > that should do > it. The only thing missing from the libgpod you installed is the ability to get > the firewire ID of the Nano. You will need to do it manually, but it's not that > difficult. From the libgpod README.sysinfo: > > "The 2nd method requires more manual intervention. First, you need to get your > firewire id manually. To do that, run "sudo lsusb -v | grep -i Serial" (without > the "") with your iPod plugged in, this should print a 16 character long string > like 00A1234567891231. For an iPod Touch, this number will be much longer than > 16 characters, the firewire ID is constituted by the first 16 characters. > Once you have that number, create/edit /mnt/ipod/iPod_Control/Device/SysInfo > (if your iPod is mounted at /mnt/ipod). Add to that file the line below: > FirewireGuid: 0xffffffffffffffff > (replace ffffffffffffffff with the string you obtained at the previous step > and don't forget the trailing 0x before the string) > Save that file, and you should be all set. Be careful when using apps which > lets you manually specify which iPod model you own, they may overwrite that > file when you do that. So if after doing that libgpod still seems to write > invalid content to the iPod, double-check the content of that SysInfo file to > make sure the FirewireGuid line you added isn't gone. If that happens, readd it > to the end of the file, and make sure libgpod rewrite the iPod content." > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 14:21:58 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Christopher Aitken) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:21:58 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071211003602.7b2d5477-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <4763E306.5080104@chrisaitken.net> Top-post update as this thread is old now: In ubuntu, gtkpod keeps displaying the contents of the iPod, but the iPod keeps displaying "No Music". JoeHill wrote: > chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >> Jamon Camisso writes: >> >> >>> On December 10, 2007 06:44:53 pm chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> >>>> JoeHill writes: >>>> >>>>> chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I don't know whether I'm supposed to go through the whole svn >>>>>> installation of libgpod (and the other stuff that I did that I >>>>>> can't retrace until I re-install Thunderbird on and load the saved >>>>>> mail file from backup) or if the process will be different on >>>>>> ubuntu. >>>>>> >>>>> Told ya it wouldn't be long, just saw this on #gtkpod :-) >>>>> >>>>> Add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list: >>>>> >>>>> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ipod-touch/ubuntu gutsy main >>>>> Okay, that line is in there. >>>>> then: >>>>> >>>>> sudo apt-get update >>>>> Done. >>>>> then install libgpod3 and gtkpod, you should be golden. >>>>> Done - and I saw the name of the repo I listed in the output. >>>> Okay, I did all of that. The songs that are on the iPod are showing >>>> up in gtkpod, but trying to save an .ogg to the iPod I get: >>>> >>>> Conversion of Track2 failed: >>>> '/usr/share/gtkpod/scripts/convert-ogg2mp3.sh' returned exit status >>>> 4. >>>> Conversion is not an issue now as I installed lame and gstreamer and they sem to give mp3 functionality to all my apps. >>>> Am I still missing some library or whatnot? I'm suing ubuntu 7.10. >>>> >>> I sent a message about installing vorbis-tools, which provides the >>> oggdec binary, which if missing, will throw that "exit status 4" error. >>> >>> Try running "which oggdec" and if it does not find anything, install the >>> vorbis-tools package. >>> >> Yeah, I installed that before I got the error. apt-get install vorbis-tools. >> Funny you should mention that. I actually installed it to support an >> application called audio-convert.That app is working for me. I noticed that >> gtkpod does not have the iPod that is mine - it was called iPod nano 4 GB >> video (or close to that) when we did the svn installs (et al) on the fedora >> 7 machine (before the hard drive died). I probably have to do all that svn >> stuff again - no? >> > > No, if you installed the gtkpod and libgpod from the ppa repo, that should do > it. The only thing missing from the libgpod you installed is the ability to get > the firewire ID of the Nano. You will need to do it manually, but it's not that > difficult. From the libgpod README.sysinfo: > > "The 2nd method requires more manual intervention. First, you need to get your > firewire id manually. To do that, run "sudo lsusb -v | grep -i Serial" (without > the "") Okay, I got the firewire ID. > with your iPod plugged in, this should print a 16 character long string > like 00A1234567891231. For an iPod Touch, this number will be much longer than > 16 characters, the firewire ID is constituted by the first 16 characters. > Once you have that number, create/edit /mnt/ipod/iPod_Control/Device/SysInfo > (if your iPod is mounted at /mnt/ipod). Add to that file the line below: > FirewireGuid: 0xffffffffffffffff > (replace ffffffffffffffff with the string you obtained at the previous step > and don't forget the trailing 0x before the string) > Save that file, and you should be all set. Done - actually the correct ID was already in there. > Be careful when using apps which > lets you manually specify which iPod model you own, they may overwrite that > file when you do that. That may be my problem now. > So if after doing that libgpod still seems to write > invalid content to the iPod, double-check the content of that SysInfo file to > make sure the FirewireGuid line you added isn't gone. If that happens, readd it > to the end of the file, Yeah it's still there - it's persisting. > and make sure libgpod rewrite the iPod content." > How do I do that - by re-installing libgpod? Or do you mean gtkpod? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 14:48:54 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Christopher Aitken) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:48:54 -0500 Subject: thunderbird over-sizing font Message-ID: <4763E956.6070301@chrisaitken.net> I'm having trouble with font-size in answering emails in Thunderbird 2.0.0.6. Old email fonts are resizing (too big) anywhere from 'medium' to 'xx-large'. I have found two places to choose font-size but neither is persisting (even within the same email I have to resize every new line I type). Any suggestions? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 15:02:02 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Christopher Aitken) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:02:02 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4763E306.5080104-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763E306.5080104@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <4763EC6A.9010903@chrisaitken.net> Christopher Aitken wrote: > Top-post update as this thread is old now: In ubuntu, gtkpod keeps > displaying the contents of the iPod, but the iPod keeps displaying "No > Music". > > JoeHill wrote: > >> Be careful when using apps which lets you manually specify which >> iPod model you own, they may overwrite that file when you do that. > That may be my problem now. >> So if after doing that libgpod still seems to write invalid content >> to the iPod, double-check the content of that SysInfo file to >> make sure the FirewireGuid line you added isn't gone. If that >> happens, readd it >> to the end of the file, > Yeah it's still there - it's persisting. >> and make sure libgpod rewrite the iPod content." >> > How do I do that - by re-installing libgpod? Or do you mean gtkpod? Probably the most annoying thing about all of this is that when I chose the correct model in gtkpod on the fedora machine (before the hard drive died) that seemed to be last thing I did before it all started to work. I remember selecting 3rd gen. 4 gb nano (with video) - not the exact wording but all those parameters were int he description). Now, I don't even see that selection. It's liek it's a different version of gtkpod. Is the version of gtkpod that I loaded on fedora 7 via svn, different from the one I installed on ubuntu via the ppa repo?. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 15:17:15 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:17:15 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4763D848.2030905-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763D848.2030905@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071215101715.25ed284d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Christopher Aitken wrote: > > No, if you installed the gtkpod and libgpod from the ppa repo, > Sorry to be so thick here. "installed from the ppa repo". Does that mean > just do 'sudo apt-get gtkpod' and it will install "from the ppa repo" > because it is listed in /etc/apt/sources.list? Not quite. I tried it here on my Ubuntu box and it didn't work so Lennart set me straight elsewhere in this thread. If you have the ppa repo enabled in your sources.list, then you do: apt-get install gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1 That should also install the 'libgpod3' from the same repo. There are a couple of things about libgpod and gtkpod on this repo. 1st, the way they did the version number Ubuntu will keep trying to 'update' gtkpod from the ppa version to the default version available in Ubuntu repos. I'm not sure how to stop that in any automated way. Also, as I mentioned above, the libgpod they have was not built with sgutils, so you need to get the firewire ID of your iPod manually. From the instructions it does not look too difficult, so that should not be a big deal. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "Listen, Bender, where's your bathroom?" -Fry "Bath what?" -Bender "Bathroom." -Fry "What room?" -Bender "Bathroom!" -Fry "What what?" Bender "Ah, nevermind." -Fry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 15:28:44 2007 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:28:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Some errors upgrading ubuntu Message-ID: Hi All, I've been upgrading from ubuntu drapper to edgy. Two upgrades went fine, but the third hit some snags. One way to fix it would be to install from disk, but this laptop has my only xp partition and although I don't use it often I'd rather not risk losing it. It also has some customization from emperor-linux, so I could lose features by a new install. I've included the error messages below just in case any one has any suggestions. It sounds to me like I have some missing directories I need to create or some directories I need to empty, but it's not quite clear which ones. Alex root at rhino:/usr/X11R6/bin# apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies: libxdmcp6: Depends: x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0) but 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 is installed xserver-xorg-core: Depends: x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0) but 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 is installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. root at rhino:/usr/X11R6/bin# apt-get -f install Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following extra packages will be installed: x11-common The following packages will be upgraded: x11-common 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1064 not upgraded. 80 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B/291kB of archives. After unpacking 418kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = "en", LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory Preconfiguring packages ... shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory (Reading database ... 168920 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace x11-common 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 (using .../x11-common_1%3a7.1.1ubuntu6.2_i386.deb) ... perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = "en", LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory Unpacking replacement x11-common ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.1.1ubuntu6.2_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/bin', which is also in package empkernel26 perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = "en", LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = "en", LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = "en", LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.1.1ubuntu6.2_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 15:31:10 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:31:10 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4763EC6A.9010903-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763E306.5080104@chrisaitken.net> <4763EC6A.9010903@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071215103110.19acb619@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Christopher Aitken wrote: > Christopher Aitken wrote: > > Top-post update as this thread is old now: In ubuntu, gtkpod keeps > > displaying the contents of the iPod, but the iPod keeps displaying "No > > Music". > > > > JoeHill wrote: > > > > >> Be careful when using apps which lets you manually specify which > >> iPod model you own, they may overwrite that file when you do that. > > That may be my problem now. > >> So if after doing that libgpod still seems to write invalid content > >> to the iPod, double-check the content of that SysInfo file to > >> make sure the FirewireGuid line you added isn't gone. If that > >> happens, readd it > >> to the end of the file, > > Yeah it's still there - it's persisting. > >> and make sure libgpod rewrite the iPod content." > >> > > How do I do that - by re-installing libgpod? Or do you mean gtkpod? > Probably the most annoying thing about all of this is that when I chose > the correct model in gtkpod on the fedora machine (before the hard drive > died) that seemed to be last thing I did before it all started to work. > I remember selecting 3rd gen. 4 gb nano (with video) - not the exact > wording but all those parameters were int he description). Now, I don't > even see that selection. It's liek it's a different version of gtkpod. > Is the version of gtkpod that I loaded on fedora 7 via svn, different > from the one I installed on ubuntu via the ppa repo?. Hmmm, that's funny, I've got that gtkpod installed here and it has 'Nano Video 3rd Gen' under 'select your model'. Are you _sure_ you've got gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1 installed? -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "I love this planet. I've got wealth, fame, and access to the depths of sleaze that those things bring." -Bender -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 15:44:27 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:44:27 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071215103110.19acb619-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763E306.5080104@chrisaitken.net> <4763EC6A.9010903@chrisaitken.net> <20071215103110.19acb619@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20071215104427.382e4b7b@node1.freeyourmachine.org> JoeHill wrote: > Christopher Aitken wrote: > > > Christopher Aitken wrote: > > > Top-post update as this thread is old now: In ubuntu, gtkpod keeps > > > displaying the contents of the iPod, but the iPod keeps displaying "No > > > Music". > > > > > > JoeHill wrote: > > > > > > > >> Be careful when using apps which lets you manually specify which > > >> iPod model you own, they may overwrite that file when you do that. > > > That may be my problem now. > > >> So if after doing that libgpod still seems to write invalid content > > >> to the iPod, double-check the content of that SysInfo file to > > >> make sure the FirewireGuid line you added isn't gone. If that > > >> happens, readd it > > >> to the end of the file, > > > Yeah it's still there - it's persisting. > > >> and make sure libgpod rewrite the iPod content." > > >> > > > How do I do that - by re-installing libgpod? Or do you mean gtkpod? > > Probably the most annoying thing about all of this is that when I chose > > the correct model in gtkpod on the fedora machine (before the hard drive > > died) that seemed to be last thing I did before it all started to work. > > I remember selecting 3rd gen. 4 gb nano (with video) - not the exact > > wording but all those parameters were int he description). Now, I don't > > even see that selection. It's liek it's a different version of gtkpod. > > Is the version of gtkpod that I loaded on fedora 7 via svn, different > > from the one I installed on ubuntu via the ppa repo?. > > Hmmm, that's funny, I've got that gtkpod installed here and it has 'Nano Video > 3rd Gen' under 'select your model'. Are you _sure_ you've got > gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1 installed? gratuitous screenshot! freeyourmachine.org/gtkpod_ubuntu.png -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "I refuse to fight! I'm a concientious objector." -Bender "A what?" -Fry "You know, a coward." -Bender -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 17:24:47 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Christopher Aitken) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:24:47 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071215101715.25ed284d-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763D848.2030905@chrisaitken.net> <20071215101715.25ed284d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <47640DDF.5030501@chrisaitken.net> JoeHill wrote: > > If you have the ppa repo enabled in your sources.list, then you do: > > apt-get install gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1 > Okay - done. > That should also install the 'libgpod3' from the same repo. > I see. > There are a couple of things about libgpod and gtkpod on this repo. 1st, the > way they did the version number Ubuntu will keep trying to 'update' gtkpod from > the ppa version to the default version available in Ubuntu repos. I'm not sure > how to stop that in any automated way. > So, I'll have to do, 'apt-get install gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1' from time to time? > Also, as I mentioned above, the libgpod they have was not built with sgutils, so > you need to get the firewire ID of your iPod manually. From the instructions it > does not look too difficult, so that should not be a big deal. Okay - that firewire ID persisted through the install of gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1 I'm okay now. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 17:26:18 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Christopher Aitken) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:26:18 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071215103110.19acb619-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763E306.5080104@chrisaitken.net> <4763EC6A.9010903@chrisaitken.net> <20071215103110.19acb619@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <47640E3A.7060607@chrisaitken.net> JoeHill wrote: > Hmmm, that's funny, I've got that gtkpod installed here and it has 'Nano Video > 3rd Gen' under 'select your model'. Are you _sure_ you've got > gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1 installed? > No, I guess I Didn't. Now I have correct model to select. All the songs showed up. Thanks, Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 17:27:56 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Christopher Aitken) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:27:56 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071215104427.382e4b7b-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763E306.5080104@chrisaitken.net> <4763EC6A.9010903@chrisaitken.net> <20071215103110.19acb619@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071215104427.382e4b7b@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <47640E9C.4050500@chrisaitken.net> JoeHill wrote: > JoeHill wrote: > > >> Christopher Aitken wrote: >> >> >>> Christopher Aitken wrote: >>> >>>> Top-post update as this thread is old now: In ubuntu, gtkpod keeps >>>> displaying the contents of the iPod, but the iPod keeps displaying "No >>>> Music". >>>> >>>> JoeHill wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>> Be careful when using apps which lets you manually specify which >>>>> iPod model you own, they may overwrite that file when you do that. >>>>> >>>> That may be my problem now. >>>> >>>>> So if after doing that libgpod still seems to write invalid content >>>>> to the iPod, double-check the content of that SysInfo file to >>>>> make sure the FirewireGuid line you added isn't gone. If that >>>>> happens, readd it >>>>> to the end of the file, >>>>> >>>> Yeah it's still there - it's persisting. >>>> >>>>> and make sure libgpod rewrite the iPod content." >>>>> >>>>> >>>> How do I do that - by re-installing libgpod? Or do you mean gtkpod? >>>> >>> Probably the most annoying thing about all of this is that when I chose >>> the correct model in gtkpod on the fedora machine (before the hard drive >>> died) that seemed to be last thing I did before it all started to work. >>> I remember selecting 3rd gen. 4 gb nano (with video) - not the exact >>> wording but all those parameters were int he description). Now, I don't >>> even see that selection. It's liek it's a different version of gtkpod. >>> Is the version of gtkpod that I loaded on fedora 7 via svn, different >>> from the one I installed on ubuntu via the ppa repo?. >>> >> Hmmm, that's funny, I've got that gtkpod installed here and it has 'Nano Video >> 3rd Gen' under 'select your model'. Are you _sure_ you've got >> gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1 installed? >> > > gratuitous screenshot! > > freeyourmachine.org/gtkpod_ubuntu.png > > Yup - that's the one. Thanks, Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 17:39:11 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:39:11 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <47640DDF.5030501-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763D848.2030905@chrisaitken.net> <20071215101715.25ed284d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47640DDF.5030501@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071215123911.6178f9fd@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Christopher Aitken wrote: > JoeHill wrote: > > > > > > If you have the ppa repo enabled in your sources.list, then you do: > > > > apt-get install gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1 > > > Okay - done. > > That should also install the 'libgpod3' from the same repo. > > > I see. > > There are a couple of things about libgpod and gtkpod on this repo. 1st, the > > way they did the version number Ubuntu will keep trying to 'update' gtkpod > > from the ppa version to the default version available in Ubuntu repos. I'm > > not sure how to stop that in any automated way. > > > So, I'll have to do, > > 'apt-get install gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1' > > from time to time? Nah, you shouldn't if you're watching out for it. When Ubuntu shows you that little icon in your systray for updates, you can click on it to see what's available. In the list you'll keep seeing 'gtkpod', just uncheck it. There should be a way to skip gtkpod when doing updates, but I don't know what that is on Ubuntu, haven't been using it that long/much. > > Also, as I mentioned above, the libgpod they have was not built with > > sgutils, so you need to get the firewire ID of your iPod manually. From the > > instructions it does not look too difficult, so that should not be a big > > deal. > Okay - that firewire ID persisted through the install of > gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1 > > I'm okay now. So you can actually add files to the Nano and they show up? And play? -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Fry: Ooh, Big Pink. It's the only gum with the breath freshening power of ham. Bender: And it pinkens your teeth while you chew. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 17:40:48 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Christopher Aitken) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:40:48 -0500 Subject: thunderbird over-sizing font In-Reply-To: <4763E956.6070301-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4763E956.6070301@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <476411A0.2050404@chrisaitken.net> Christopher Aitken wrote: > I'm having trouble with font-size in answering emails in Thunderbird > 2.0.0.6. Old email fonts are resizing (too big) anywhere from 'medium' > to 'xx-large'. I have found two places to choose font-size but neither > is persisting (even within the same email I have to resize every new > line I type). > > Any suggestions? Never mind this now. I found a third place where fonts are selected in thunderbird. Font-size is fine now. Thanks, Chris > > Chris > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 17:41:34 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:41:34 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <47640E3A.7060607-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763E306.5080104@chrisaitken.net> <4763EC6A.9010903@chrisaitken.net> <20071215103110.19acb619@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47640E3A.7060607@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071215124134.3dcf7c8f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Christopher Aitken wrote: > JoeHill wrote: > > > > Hmmm, that's funny, I've got that gtkpod installed here and it has 'Nano > > Video 3rd Gen' under 'select your model'. Are you _sure_ you've got > > gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1 installed? > > > No, I guess I Didn't. Now I have correct model to select. > > All the songs showed up. Thanks, Yeeha! A little bit easier on Ubuntu, eh? Now you need to add some video files. Of course, you'll need to build the latest ffmpeg from svn to do that... ;) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "I love this planet. I've got wealth, fame, and access to the depths of sleaze that those things bring." -Bender -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 17:47:24 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Christopher Aitken) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:47:24 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071215123911.6178f9fd-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763D848.2030905@chrisaitken.net> <20071215101715.25ed284d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47640DDF.5030501@chrisaitken.net> <20071215123911.6178f9fd@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <4764132C.10002@chrisaitken.net> JoeHill wrote: > So you can actually add files to the Nano and they show up? And play? > Yeah! I'll update my how-to and try this on my daughter's machine. I want her to be able to add songs from her own computer. Don't worry, her OS is ubuntu 7.10 as well. I should be able to repeat the steps on her machine. :) Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 17:49:24 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Christopher Aitken) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:49:24 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071215124134.3dcf7c8f-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763E306.5080104@chrisaitken.net> <4763EC6A.9010903@chrisaitken.net> <20071215103110.19acb619@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47640E3A.7060607@chrisaitken.net> <20071215124134.3dcf7c8f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <476413A4.8090307@chrisaitken.net> JoeHill wrote: >> >> All the songs showed up. Thanks, >> > > Yeeha! A little bit easier on Ubuntu, eh? Now you need to add some video > files. Of course, you'll need to build the latest ffmpeg from svn to do > that... ;) > I think I'll bask in glory before my next round of self-abuse. :) Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 18:10:58 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:10:58 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <476413A4.8090307-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763E306.5080104@chrisaitken.net> <4763EC6A.9010903@chrisaitken.net> <20071215103110.19acb619@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47640E3A.7060607@chrisaitken.net> <20071215124134.3dcf7c8f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <476413A4.8090307@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071215131058.3193b71e@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Christopher Aitken wrote: > JoeHill wrote: > > > >> > >> All the songs showed up. Thanks, > >> > > > > Yeeha! A little bit easier on Ubuntu, eh? Now you need to add some video > > files. Of course, you'll need to build the latest ffmpeg from svn to do > > that... ;) > > > I think I'll bask in glory before my next round of self-abuse. Gotcha. But when you're ready for more, it's actually not too hard on Ubuntu: http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Installing_svn_ffmpeg_on_a_Debian_based_distro Then you can get to converting all those Hannah Montana videos to load on the Nano :-P -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Professor: Being captain is about intuition and heart. A good captain can't have either one. That's why cold, logical Bender is perfect for the job. Bender: Well, I do think of human life as expendable. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 18:33:48 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:33:48 -0500 Subject: : In-Reply-To: <475FE758.9040603-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <475FE758.9040603@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <47641E0C.2040206@ve3syb.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > How do you guys keep your Subject lines so neat? I have to delete the > Re:[TLUG]: every time I reply to an email. If I don't, I eventually get > Re:[TLUG]:Re:[TLUG]:Re:[TLUG]: > > I went through preferences in Thunderbird and don't see anything about Odd. I use thunderbird and don't see that problem. What version of Thunderbird do you have? The version I have is 2.0.0.9 but I don't seem to recall having that problem for quite some time. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 19:25:55 2007 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:25:55 -0500 Subject: Syncing Dev\Backup Web Site with Public Web\Site In-Reply-To: <47629A82.6030000-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <47629A82.6030000@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200712151425.56105.fraser@wehave.net> On Friday 14 December 2007 10:00:18 Stephen wrote: > I have a LAMP environment both at home and on my web host. > > I use a lot of PHP and MySQL. > > I would like to able to an update on my home system, and then sync the > files and database on my web host. In an automated process. > > Are there any tools that do this? > > Just looking for suggestions as to where to begin. rsync over ssh is often a great option and can be set up very securely. Depending on how much you care about the content (or how sensitive it is) you might need additional wrappers around the file copy. Cfengine comes to my mind since I use it extensively and couldn't live without it. Cfengine allows file copying and you can trigger lots of automated actions around specific file changes, it's probably overkill though if all you want is synchronization of a few directories. Rails has capistrano which is designed for the purpose of publishing code, updating databases, triggering actions, etc. I've had it working in the past with a rails site but I find it rather cantankerous to set up for non-default things ... maybe I just haven't found the right howo yet. -- Fraser Campbell Georgetown, Ontario, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 20:59:38 2007 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:59:38 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <475FE534.304-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <200712112144.04875.mervc@eol.ca> <475FE534.304@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <200712151559.38782.mervc@eol.ca> On Wednesday 12 December 2007 08:42, Chris Aitken wrote: > > > >I am not a Network whiz but I wonder why you want to use dhcp? Are you > > afraid of your hosts file getting too big? > > I don't want to use dhcp - it's just that the cable modem gives me an > address to get on the Internet - that's the only dhcp I'm interested in. > With my DLink router I'm not concerned with that. I just tell the router to go to the modems address [4.2.2.2] and the modem and router do the rest for the internet connection. > Yeah, that's the part where you get an address assigned via dhcp. > I don't get that address as mentioned above. I don't know why I would want it. I remember using [knowing?] it when I was dialup and using coyote on a computer router, but now DLink software handles the details. But I'm no whiz so you may have a situation unlike mine. Regards -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Debian Sid Linux Desktop KDE 3.5.7 KMail 1.9.5 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 22:29:40 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:29:40 -0500 Subject: D'oh! In-Reply-To: <20071211185848.22110.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <475E84AE.200@chrisaitken.net> <475EA3D0.9000003@chrisaitken.net> <475EA89C.4060807@chrisaitken.net> <20071211160301.GE2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20071211161308.9490.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211164004.GG2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20071211185848.22110.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <473c25250712151429t3af3dbe8p4e5b1a8fd542b902@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 11, 2007 1:58 PM, wrote: > > Interesting that on another machine (ubuntu as well) the entire contents of > /etc/network/interfaces is, > > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > > It doesn't have an entry for an Internet connection at all - yet I have > Internet connectivity. It makes you wonder if this file is being referred to > at all (for Internet, anyway). /etc/network/interfaces is not used at all so far as I know by default in Ubuntu. It will use it if you put some config in there, but otherwise NetworkManager works through HAL and DBUS to configure the network (at least on the newer releases of Ubuntu). > > At the same time, I would have thought the dhcp interface would be the > > one to provide the default gateway in general, in which case eth0 should > > not have any gateway line at all. > > Well, my router documentation instructed that the gateway (router address) > is 192.1.68.0.1 Yes, but the DHCP should provide that for the interface so that you don't have to do so manually. DHCP should provide the DNS server and Gateway addresses. > > broadcast and network lines are also completely redundant since the > > netmask and address are enough to calculate the other two (and is in > > fact what is being done). > > Okay, thanks. Now I have to configure a third computer with local address so > it can print to the printer at another machine. Based on my understanding of > your instructions, can I add these lines to it's /etc/network/interfaces > file?: > > iface eth1 inet static > address 192.168.0.4 > netmask 255.255.255.0 You could also manually set the IP on NetworkManager.... `gksudo network-admin` `nm-tool` and `nm-applet` are also useful for working w/ NetworkManager. -- Brandon Sandrowicz -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 16 00:00:35 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:00:35 -0500 Subject: Pinging Madison In-Reply-To: <475D5842.5040908-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <475D5842.5040908@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20071216000035.GB9051@waltdnes.org> I apologize for this online message. I sent you an email but it bounced because it was "too large" (3 Kbytes). I assume your mailbox is full. I'll try again later. -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 16 01:32:24 2007 From: dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org (David C. Chipman) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:32:24 -0500 Subject: BASH question In-Reply-To: <4763C170.90105-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <20071215012022.GA7059@node1.opengeometry.net> <60859.64.229.146.163.1197690772.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <20071215020247.1d46750c@david.chipman> <4763C170.90105@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20071215203224.0ad72330@david.chipman> Hi Madi, Did you try putting quotes around the "$(" and ")", or around "$QRY_LINE" after the echo's? Just a thought > > -- Start code --- > > > > for QRY_LINE in $() > > do > > ROW_NUM=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $1 }") > > VAR1=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $2 }') > > VAR2=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $3 }') > > VAR2=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $4 }') > > DATE1=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $5 }') > > TIME=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $6 }') > > DATE2=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $7 }') > > done > > > > -- End code -- Good luck, Madi, -David Chipman -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 16 01:41:12 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:41:12 -0500 Subject: BASH question In-Reply-To: <4763C170.90105-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <20071215012022.GA7059@node1.opengeometry.net> <60859.64.229.146.163.1197690772.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <20071215020247.1d46750c@david.chipman> <4763C170.90105@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20071216014112.GA1900@waltdnes.org> Is your inbox fixed, my offline email to you is rejected. On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 06:58:40AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote > David C. Chipman wrote: >> Hi Madi, Could you do this: >> -- Start code --- >> for QRY_LINE in $() >> do >> ROW_NUM=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $1 }") >> VAR1=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $2 }') >> VAR2=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $3 }') >> VAR2=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $4 }') >> DATE1=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $5 }') >> TIME=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $6 }') >> DATE2=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $7 }') >> done >> -- End code -- > Hi David, > > The problem I had when ever I tried to do that was ${QRY_LINE} would be > the results split on any white space, so every word was a line, regardless > of whether it was space, tab or newline seperated... a lot of the (real) > data contained one of more words... I need something that would populate > the array by splitting on newline and then split the containing data into > variables on 'tab'. This is default bash behaviour. If you want entire lines, use the built-in shell variable REPLY, which picks up input by line. Try something like... ./test.sh | ./parse_script where parse_script is something like #!/bin/bash linecounter=0 while read do linecounter= $(( ${linecounter} + 1 )) dataline=${REPLY} echo "Line number ${linecounter} is... ${dataline}" done You can then proceed to pick apart the contents of dataline. Excerpt from "man bash"... read [-ers] [-u fd] [-t timeout] [-a aname] [-p prompt] [-n nchars] [-d delim] [name ...] One line is read from the standard input, or from the file descriptor fd supplied as an argument to the -u option, and the first word is assigned to the first name, the second word to the second name, and so on, with leftover words and their interven- ing separators assigned to the last name. If there are fewer words read from the input stream than names, the remaining names are assigned empty values. The characters in IFS are used to split the line into words. The backslash character (\) may be used to remove any special meaning for the next character read and for line continuation. Options, if supplied, have the fol- lowing meanings: [...snip detailed explanation of options...] If no names are supplied, the line read is assigned to the vari- able REPLY. The return code is zero, unless end-of-file is encountered, read times out, or an invalid file descriptor is supplied as the argument to -u. -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 16 01:55:30 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:55:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Upgrading to XP Message-ID: <1994.99.232.68.237.1197770130.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> http://dotnet.org.za/codingsanity/archive/2007/12/14/review-windows-xp.aspx -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 16 02:09:12 2007 From: dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org (Dominic Bonfiglio) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:09:12 -0500 Subject: Question about USB device detection Message-ID: <476488C8.3030006@gmx.de> Hello everyone, I am running kde 3.5.5 on opensuse 10.2. When my computer (Ibm t42p) exits sleep mode (suspend to ram), it no longer automatically detects USB devices. I assume that some module needs to be reloaded, as this is also the case with my wireless--where, when I reactivate the computer, I have to enter as root: # rcnetwork stop # rmmod ath_pci # modprobe ath_pci # rcnetwork start Is there a something similar I can do to get USB detection going again? I checked the Internet, but my search attempts are not getting me what I need. Can anyone help, or at least point the way? Thanks, DB -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 16 02:59:09 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Christopher Aitken) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:59:09 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071215131058.3193b71e-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763E306.5080104@chrisaitken.net> <4763EC6A.9010903@chrisaitken.net> <20071215103110.19acb619@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47640E3A.7060607@chrisaitken.net> <20071215124134.3dcf7c8f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <476413A4.8090307@chrisaitken.net> <20071215131058.3193b71e@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <4764947D.3050002@chrisaitken.net> JoeHill wrote: > Christopher Aitken wrote: > > >> JoeHill wrote: >> >> >> >>>> All the songs showed up. Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>> Yeeha! A little bit easier on Ubuntu, eh? Now you need to add some video >>> files. Of course, you'll need to build the latest ffmpeg from svn to do >>> that... ;) >>> >>> >> I think I'll bask in glory before my next round of self-abuse. >> > > Gotcha. But when you're ready for more, it's actually not too hard on Ubuntu: > > http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Installing_svn_ffmpeg_on_a_Debian_based_distro > > Then you can get to converting all those Hannah Montana videos to load on the > Nano :-P > Uncle! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 16 04:30:47 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:30:47 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071215124134.3dcf7c8f-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763E306.5080104@chrisaitken.net> <4763EC6A.9010903@chrisaitken.net> <20071215103110.19acb619@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47640E3A.7060607@chrisaitken.net> <20071215124134.3dcf7c8f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20071216043047.9147.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> JoeHill writes: > Christopher Aitken wrote: > >> JoeHill wrote: >> >> >> > Hmmm, that's funny, I've got that gtkpod installed here and it has 'Nano >> > Video 3rd Gen' under 'select your model'. Are you _sure_ you've got >> > gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1 installed? >> > >> No, I guess I Didn't. Now I have correct model to select. >> >> All the songs showed up. Thanks, > > Yeeha! A little bit easier on Ubuntu, eh? Yeah, and I just repeated the steps on my daughter's machine - took me about three minutes. Now I can show her how to do all this herself. :) Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 16 16:40:16 2007 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:40:16 -0500 Subject: BASH question In-Reply-To: <4763C1E9.2050400-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <47637883.30153.1690B24D@sciguy.vex.net> <4763C1E9.2050400@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20071216164016.GA7356@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 07:00:41AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Paul King wrote: > >Why BASH? If you want scripting, this looks like a prime candidate for a > >PERL project. > > > >If you insist on BASH, then you will need to teach yourself SED and AWK, > >which are two good stream-level parsers. > > It's for a client, and I already have a perl and ruby version of the > same script. He wants the three versions for comparison (he likes bash > scripts, knows perl and is interested in ruby). So I just need to figure > out how to make it work. > > I figured I would need to learn sed and awk, but I can't begin that > until I can feed each row of the DB query into an array... Hence my > question here. :) No need for 'sed' or 'awk' for that. Try something like ls -l > file while read; do N=${#x[*]} x[$N]=$REPLY done < file which will read line-by-line, preserving the leading and trailing whitespaces. If you're brave, then you can try my C extensions ls -l | tr '\n' '\0' > file vset x < file which will read NUL-terminated strings from files into array or positional parameter (if you don't give any variable name). -- William Park , Toronto, Canada BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 17 03:02:11 2007 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:02:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Some errors upgrading ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <444980.72445.qm@web61313.mail.yahoo.com> check what version of x11-common comes with edgy (run dpkg -l | grep x11-common). Then run apt-get install x11-common-xxxx. After installing x11-common try apt-get upgrade again. Good luck, EK --- Alex Maynard wrote: > > Hi All, > > I've been upgrading from ubuntu drapper to edgy. Two upgrades went > fine, > but the third hit some snags. One way to fix it would be to > install from > disk, but this laptop has my only xp partition and although I don't > use it > often I'd rather not risk losing it. It also has some customization > > from emperor-linux, so I could lose features by a new install. > I've included the error messages below just in case any one has any > > suggestions. It sounds to me like I have some missing directories I > need > to create or some directories I need to empty, but it's not quite > clear > which ones. > > Alex > > root at rhino:/usr/X11R6/bin# apt-get upgrade > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... Done > You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > libxdmcp6: Depends: x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0) but 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 > is > installed > xserver-xorg-core: Depends: x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0) but > 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 > is installed > E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. > root at rhino:/usr/X11R6/bin# apt-get -f install > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... Done > Correcting dependencies... Done > The following extra packages will be installed: > x11-common > The following packages will be upgraded: > x11-common > 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1064 not upgraded. > 80 not fully installed or removed. > Need to get 0B/291kB of archives. > After unpacking 418kB of additional disk space will be used. > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? > shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot > access > parent directories: No such file or directory > perl: warning: Setting locale failed. > perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: > LANGUAGE = "en", > LC_ALL = (unset), > LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" > are supported and installed on your system. > perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). > locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or > directory > shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot > access > parent directories: No such file or directory > shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot > access > parent directories: No such file or directory > Preconfiguring packages ... > shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot > access > parent directories: No such file or directory > shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot > access > parent directories: No such file or directory > shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot > access > parent directories: No such file or directory > (Reading database ... 168920 files and directories currently > installed.) > Preparing to replace x11-common 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 (using > .../x11-common_1%3a7.1.1ubuntu6.2_i386.deb) ... > perl: warning: Setting locale failed. > perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: > LANGUAGE = "en", > LC_ALL = (unset), > LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" > are supported and installed on your system. > perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). > locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or > directory > Unpacking replacement x11-common ... > dpkg: error processing > /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.1.1ubuntu6.2_i386.deb > (--unpack): > trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/bin', which is also in package > empkernel26 > perl: warning: Setting locale failed. > perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: > LANGUAGE = "en", > LC_ALL = (unset), > LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" > are supported and installed on your system. > perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). > locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or > directory > perl: warning: Setting locale failed. > perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: > LANGUAGE = "en", > LC_ALL = (unset), > LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" > are supported and installed on your system. > perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). > perl: warning: Setting locale failed. > perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: > LANGUAGE = "en", > LC_ALL = (unset), > LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" > are supported and installed on your system. > perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). > Errors were encountered while processing: > /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.1.1ubuntu6.2_i386.deb > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 17 04:16:42 2007 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:16:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Some errors upgrading ubuntu In-Reply-To: <444980.72445.qm-66axR3KBzXCA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <444980.72445.qm@web61313.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, E K wrote: > check what version of x11-common comes with edgy (run dpkg -l | grep > x11-common). Then run apt-get install x11-common-xxxx. After > installing x11-common try apt-get upgrade again. > Thanks very much! Unfortunately, I just gave up and installed the latest version from disc, but that at least that seemed to go fine. Alex > Good luck, > EK > > > --- Alex Maynard wrote: > >> >> Hi All, >> >> I've been upgrading from ubuntu drapper to edgy. Two upgrades went >> fine, >> but the third hit some snags. One way to fix it would be to >> install from >> disk, but this laptop has my only xp partition and although I don't >> use it >> often I'd rather not risk losing it. It also has some customization >> >> from emperor-linux, so I could lose features by a new install. >> I've included the error messages below just in case any one has any >> >> suggestions. It sounds to me like I have some missing directories I >> need >> to create or some directories I need to empty, but it's not quite >> clear >> which ones. >> >> Alex >> >> root at rhino:/usr/X11R6/bin# apt-get upgrade >> Reading package lists... Done >> Building dependency tree... Done >> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. >> The following packages have unmet dependencies: >> libxdmcp6: Depends: x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0) but 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 >> is >> installed >> xserver-xorg-core: Depends: x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0) but >> 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 >> is installed >> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. >> root at rhino:/usr/X11R6/bin# apt-get -f install >> Reading package lists... Done >> Building dependency tree... Done >> Correcting dependencies... Done >> The following extra packages will be installed: >> x11-common >> The following packages will be upgraded: >> x11-common >> 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1064 not upgraded. >> 80 not fully installed or removed. >> Need to get 0B/291kB of archives. >> After unpacking 418kB of additional disk space will be used. >> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? >> shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot >> access >> parent directories: No such file or directory >> perl: warning: Setting locale failed. >> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: >> LANGUAGE = "en", >> LC_ALL = (unset), >> LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" >> are supported and installed on your system. >> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). >> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or >> directory >> shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot >> access >> parent directories: No such file or directory >> shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot >> access >> parent directories: No such file or directory >> Preconfiguring packages ... >> shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot >> access >> parent directories: No such file or directory >> shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot >> access >> parent directories: No such file or directory >> shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot >> access >> parent directories: No such file or directory >> (Reading database ... 168920 files and directories currently >> installed.) >> Preparing to replace x11-common 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 (using >> .../x11-common_1%3a7.1.1ubuntu6.2_i386.deb) ... >> perl: warning: Setting locale failed. >> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: >> LANGUAGE = "en", >> LC_ALL = (unset), >> LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" >> are supported and installed on your system. >> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). >> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or >> directory >> Unpacking replacement x11-common ... >> dpkg: error processing >> /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.1.1ubuntu6.2_i386.deb >> (--unpack): >> trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/bin', which is also in package >> empkernel26 >> perl: warning: Setting locale failed. >> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: >> LANGUAGE = "en", >> LC_ALL = (unset), >> LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" >> are supported and installed on your system. >> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). >> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or >> directory >> perl: warning: Setting locale failed. >> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: >> LANGUAGE = "en", >> LC_ALL = (unset), >> LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" >> are supported and installed on your system. >> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). >> perl: warning: Setting locale failed. >> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: >> LANGUAGE = "en", >> LC_ALL = (unset), >> LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" >> are supported and installed on your system. >> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). >> Errors were encountered while processing: >> /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.1.1ubuntu6.2_i386.deb >> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) >> >> >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 17 05:13:41 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:13:41 -0500 Subject: Question about USB device detection In-Reply-To: <476488C8.3030006-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org> References: <476488C8.3030006@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20071217051341.GA14366@waltdnes.org> On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 09:09:12PM -0500, Dominic Bonfiglio wrote > Is there a something similar I can do to get USB detection going > again? I checked the Internet, but my search attempts are not > getting me what I need. Can anyone help, or at least point the way? The "udevstart" command (without the quotes) re(populates) the device directory. If you're losing devices, that may be what you need. -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 17 15:19:58 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:19:58 -0500 Subject: Question about USB device detection In-Reply-To: <476488C8.3030006-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org> References: <476488C8.3030006@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20071217151958.GX2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 09:09:12PM -0500, Dominic Bonfiglio wrote: > I am running kde 3.5.5 on opensuse 10.2. When my computer (Ibm t42p) > exits sleep mode (suspend to ram), it no longer automatically detects > USB devices. I assume that some module needs to be reloaded, as this is > also the case with my wireless--where, when I reactivate the computer, I > have to enter as root: > > # rcnetwork stop > # rmmod ath_pci > # modprobe ath_pci > # rcnetwork start > > Is there a something similar I can do to get USB detection going again? > I checked the Internet, but my search attempts are not getting me what I > need. Can anyone help, or at least point the way? You could try bugging the kernel maintainer for that driver to get it fixed for suspend since it is apparently broken. This is common for drivers in general. A newer kernel may have already fixed it. Not sure what version opensuse uses. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 17 15:21:34 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:21:34 -0500 Subject: java script issues in ie7 In-Reply-To: <2809817E-C019-4731-80F6-185154F92CB1-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <2809817E-C019-4731-80F6-185154F92CB1@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <20071217152134.GY2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 05:09:57PM -0500, Dave Cramer wrote: > Anyone know how to get around the array size limit problem in IE7 ? Curse microsoft and design around it somehow as every other web developer has to do when dealing with IE (and netscape 4 in the past). Maybe someday there will be a world with standards compliant browsers, although I doubt it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 17 15:25:14 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:25:14 -0500 Subject: BASH question In-Reply-To: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel-GqYTezIbEURL1Y7jC+g/Zg@public.gmane.org> References: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20071217152514.GZ2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 06:40:23PM -0500, linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > I've been banging my head against something all day that *should* be > easy/obvious, but obviously not to me... > > I've got a task (insane, yes, but...) to write a sample script in BASH to > call do a mysql database call and parse the results. I've build the call > and can get the results showing on the screen, but I've been stumped dumb > on how to feed the results, one line at a time, into an array. > > Any tips/suggestions/helpful whacks up-side the head are much appreciated! Well you are using the wrong language for a start. As soon as you hit the concept of 'parsing the output' then shell scripts should no longer be considered. It's time to move to python or perl or php or something else with sensible support for text parsing. Shell scripts are good at dealing with files and running programs and the occational small bit of parsing to control those things. To actually process text output and do stuff with it you move onto a different type of language. bash will be very inefficient at it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 17 15:28:59 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:28:59 -0500 Subject: BASH question In-Reply-To: <4763C1E9.2050400-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <47637883.30153.1690B24D@sciguy.vex.net> <4763C1E9.2050400@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20071217152859.GA2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 07:00:41AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > It's for a client, and I already have a perl and ruby version of the > same script. He wants the three versions for comparison (he likes bash > scripts, knows perl and is interested in ruby). So I just need to figure > out how to make it work. If you need a 3rd, use python or even awk (although I wouldn't want to write it). bash is just wrong for text processing no matter how much someone likes bash scripts. The result won't be a bash script, it will be a bash script calling sed or awk scripts to do the actual work, making for something rather unreadable and inefficient. > I figured I would need to learn sed and awk, but I can't begin that > until I can feed each row of the DB query into an array... Hence my > question here. :) Why an array? awk deals very well with taking things apart into tokens. Also remember that in bash whenever you don't want something turned into tokens, you put "s around it so echo "$foo" gives the contents of $foo as is, while echo $foo will tokenize it and spit them out seperately. It's quite a nightmare to deal with text processing in a shell. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 17 15:31:26 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:31:26 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4763D848.2030905-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763D848.2030905@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071217153126.GB2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 08:36:08AM -0500, Christopher Aitken wrote: > Sorry to be so thick here. "installed from the ppa repo". Does that mean > just do 'sudo apt-get gtkpod' and it will install "from the ppa repo" > because it is listed in /etc/apt/sources.list? Yes, assuming nothing else tells it that it should not do so by default (either configuring apt to prefer a specific release or because the packages are explicitly marked experimental and hence not to be installed automatically, which is done by having a ~ in the version number of the package, in which case you have to explicitly ask to install the package with that version (using packagename=versionnumber on the command line). aptitude will list all versions of a package and let you pick the specific one you want. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 17 15:36:57 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:36:57 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <47640DDF.5030501-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763D848.2030905@chrisaitken.net> <20071215101715.25ed284d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47640DDF.5030501@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20071217153657.GC2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 12:24:47PM -0500, Christopher Aitken wrote: > So, I'll have to do, > > 'apt-get install gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1' > > from time to time? Well once you install a package with the ~ in the version, it should keep upgrading it automatically after that (unless a non experimental package with a higher version comes out and replaces it, then it will stick with the normal version again until told otherwise again). Whatever you tell it, it remembers. So when told to install the experimental version, then it will keep doing that as long as there are updates. Similarly one can do apt-get install foobar/unstable to install the unstable version of that package on a system tagged to default to stable or testing or whatever, and will keep upgrading to whatever is the current unstable package. apt-show-versions is a handy tool for listing what is installed and what state it is in and what release it is pulling from. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 17 18:54:21 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:54:21 -0500 Subject: BASH question In-Reply-To: <20071216014112.GA1900-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <20071215012022.GA7059@node1.opengeometry.net> <60859.64.229.146.163.1197690772.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <20071215020247.1d46750c@david.chipman> <4763C170.90105@alteeve.com> <20071216014112.GA1900@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <473c25250712171054s4a980161m53ce5294f7c073c9@mail.gmail.com> On 12/15/07, Walter Dnes wrote: > Is your inbox fixed, my offline email to you is rejected. > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 06:58:40AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote > > David C. Chipman wrote: > >> Hi Madi, Could you do this: > >> -- Start code --- > >> for QRY_LINE in $() > >> do > >> ROW_NUM=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $1 }") > >> VAR1=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $2 }') > >> VAR2=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $3 }') > >> VAR2=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $4 }') > >> DATE1=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $5 }') > >> TIME=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $6 }') > >> DATE2=$(echo $QRY_LINE | awk '{ print $7 }') > >> done > >> -- End code -- > > > Hi David, > > > > The problem I had when ever I tried to do that was ${QRY_LINE} would be > > the results split on any white space, so every word was a line, regardless > > of whether it was space, tab or newline seperated... a lot of the (real) > > data contained one of more words... I need something that would populate > > the array by splitting on newline and then split the containing data into > > variables on 'tab'. > > This is default bash behaviour. If you want entire lines, use the > built-in shell variable REPLY, which picks up input by line. Try > something like... > > ./test.sh | ./parse_script > > where parse_script is something like > > #!/bin/bash > linecounter=0 > while read > do > linecounter= $(( ${linecounter} + 1 )) > dataline=${REPLY} > echo "Line number ${linecounter} is... ${dataline}" > done > > You can then proceed to pick apart the contents of dataline. > > Excerpt from "man bash"... > > read [-ers] [-u fd] [-t timeout] [-a aname] [-p prompt] [-n nchars] [-d > delim] [name ...] > One line is read from the standard input, or from the file > descriptor fd supplied as an argument to the -u option, and the > first word is assigned to the first name, the second word to the > second name, and so on, with leftover words and their interven- > ing separators assigned to the last name. If there are fewer > words read from the input stream than names, the remaining names > are assigned empty values. The characters in IFS are used to > split the line into words. The backslash character (\) may be > used to remove any special meaning for the next character read > and for line continuation. Options, if supplied, have the fol- > lowing meanings: > > [...snip detailed explanation of options...] > > If no names are supplied, the line read is assigned to the vari- > able REPLY. The return code is zero, unless end-of-file is > encountered, read times out, or an invalid file descriptor is > supplied as the argument to -u. > > -- > Walter Dnes > I'm not repeating myself > I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Why have him creating two scripts just to pipe one to the other? command | while read LINE do do something w/ $LINE done The only problem that I've had is that when setting array values inside of the array, they remain local to the loop for some reason... even when you declare the array outside of the loop. -- Brandon Sandrowicz -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 17 21:46:41 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Christopher Aitken) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:46:41 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071217153657.GC2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763D848.2030905@chrisaitken.net> <20071215101715.25ed284d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47640DDF.5030501@chrisaitken.net> <20071217153657.GC2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4766EE41.3000902@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 12:24:47PM -0500, Christopher Aitken wrote: > >> So, I'll have to do, >> >> 'apt-get install gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1' >> >> from time to time? >> > > Well once you install a package with the ~ in the version, it should > keep upgrading it automatically after that (unless a non experimental > package with a higher version comes out and replaces it, then it will > stick with the normal version again until told otherwise again). > > Whatever you tell it, it remembers. So when told to install the > experimental version, then it will keep doing that as long as there are > updates. Similarly one can do apt-get install foobar/unstable to > install the unstable version of that package on a system tagged to > default to stable or testing or whatever, and will keep upgrading to > whatever is the current unstable package. apt-show-versions is a handy > tool for listing what is installed and what state it is in and what > release it is pulling from. > Okay - thanks for the explanations. So far I've had less problems with apt-get (in ubuntu) than I had with yum and rpm (in rh/fc/f). Chris > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 01:32:03 2007 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:32:03 -0500 Subject: BASH question In-Reply-To: <473c25250712171054s4a980161m53ce5294f7c073c9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <20071215012022.GA7059@node1.opengeometry.net> <60859.64.229.146.163.1197690772.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <20071215020247.1d46750c@david.chipman> <4763C170.90105@alteeve.com> <20071216014112.GA1900@waltdnes.org> <473c25250712171054s4a980161m53ce5294f7c073c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071218013203.GA6930@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 01:54:21PM -0500, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > ... > Why have him creating two scripts just to pipe one to the other? > > command | while read LINE > do > do something w/ $LINE > done > > The only problem that I've had is that when setting array values > inside of the array, they remain local to the loop for some reason... > even when you declare the array outside of the loop. That's because commands in a pipe are executed in subshells (ie. separate processes). So, any change to childs' environments will not propagate up to the parent. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 03:06:09 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:06:09 -0500 Subject: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) Message-ID: <47673922.0d39400a.6e2b.fffff2b6@mx.google.com> Hey everyone, It looks like I might actually have some time beyond family drama this holiday season to actually catch up and read, with the possibility of some free time in January. So I thought, what better way to use the time than a little learning? I've been administering a few Debian boxen for a long time, and worked with a bunch of different commercial databases professionally, but never really figured out how to write a decent web page or develop a real web app or web service. Any suggestions for the best way to learn how? I'm open to suggestions, but I was thinking along the lines of php and mySQL since I'm already running a bunch of apps on that platform. Format is another interesting question. I'd prefer an eBook, but those are hard to find. Dead-tree editions work well enough and don't run out of batteries. Online tutorials and HOWTOs are great, but I find most are either a good primer or a detailed solution to one specific problem, neither one is really good for learning a broad topic. Thanks in advance! -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 03:08:55 2007 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:08:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Residential DSL recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74106.76028.qm@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I was looking for a residential DSL service and I came across Acanac of whom I have never heard before. Does any one has experience with them? Any comment/recommendation? Thanks, EK Looking for a X-Mas gift? Everybody needs a Flickr Pro Account. http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 03:47:27 2007 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:47:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) In-Reply-To: <47673922.0d39400a.6e2b.fffff2b6-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <47673922.0d39400a.6e2b.fffff2b6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <227853.1791.qm@web61311.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kareem Shehata wrote: > Hey everyone, > > It looks like I might actually have some time beyond family drama > this > holiday season to actually catch up and read, with the possibility > of some > free time in January. So I thought, what better way to use the > time than a > little learning? I've been administering a few Debian boxen for a > long > time, and worked with a bunch of different commercial databases > professionally, but never really figured out how to write a decent > web page > or develop a real web app or web service. Any suggestions for the > best way > to learn how? I'm open to suggestions, but I was thinking along > the lines > of php and mySQL since I'm already running a bunch of apps on that > platform. > > Format is another interesting question. I'd prefer an eBook, but > those are > hard to find. Dead-tree editions work well enough and don't run > out of > batteries. Online tutorials and HOWTOs are great, but I find most > are > either a good primer or a detailed solution to one specific > problem, neither > one is really good for learning a broad topic. > > Thanks in advance! > > -kms > I think the best way to learn such things is by tasking yourself to a project and trying to find your way RTFM. Both php and MySql have descent downloadable manuals. EK > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 05:27:12 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:27:12 -0500 Subject: Web hosting Message-ID: It looks like I need to start a search for a new hosting provider, as present providers are apparently closing down in January. My ideal, I think, would be to be able to run a virtual host, so that I could customize software on it as I prefer. linode.com looks interesting, albeit a bit more expensive than I was hoping for... Any other suggestions? -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 05:55:09 2007 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:55:09 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071217153657.GC2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763D848.2030905@chrisaitken.net> <20071215101715.25ed284d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47640DDF.5030501@chrisaitken.net> <20071217153657.GC2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20071218005509.1e590395@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 12:24:47PM -0500, Christopher Aitken wrote: > > So, I'll have to do, > > > > 'apt-get install gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1' > > > > from time to time? > > Well once you install a package with the ~ in the version, it should > keep upgrading it automatically after that (unless a non experimental > package with a higher version comes out and replaces it, then it will > stick with the normal version again until told otherwise again). The problem in the case of this gtkpod package is that it keeps wanting to update the experimental package even though the version numbers appear (to me) to be the same. On my Ubuntu system it shows an update from 0.99.10-2~ppa1 to 0.99.10-2. Is there some way, like a 'skip list', to tell apt not to upgrade a particular package unless one explicitly requests it? I know urpmi allows me to do this, but I also know how you feel about package managers like RPM ;) > Whatever you tell it, it remembers. So when told to install the > experimental version, then it will keep doing that as long as there are > updates. Similarly one can do apt-get install foobar/unstable to > install the unstable version of that package on a system tagged to > default to stable or testing or whatever, and will keep upgrading to > whatever is the current unstable package. apt-show-versions is a handy > tool for listing what is installed and what state it is in and what > release it is pulling from. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Fry: Mmm, the gristle in a blanket isn't half bad. Bender: And try one of these popsicle sticks. They've absorbed quite a bit of flavor. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So, any change to childs' environments will not > propagate up to the parent. > > -- > William Park , Toronto, Canada > BashDiff: Super Bash shell > http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ That just seems odd that you would have to output to a file, then read that file to STDIN just ot get it to work. I thought that was the point of pipes, so that you *didn't* have to do that. On the other hand, it makes sense that commands in a pipe are executed in subshells too. I guess it's just a design decision. :-\ What would be the proper way to use the pipe? Use `export` on the array? Or is it just impossible to use piped commands to build an array in shell scripting? -- Brandon Sandrowicz -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 12:14:54 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:14:54 -0500 Subject: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) In-Reply-To: <47673922.0d39400a.6e2b.fffff2b6-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <47673922.0d39400a.6e2b.fffff2b6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <473c25250712180414j43514d51r41280dc01bed3b59@mail.gmail.com> On 12/17/07, Kareem Shehata wrote: > Hey everyone, > > It looks like I might actually have some time beyond family drama this > holiday season to actually catch up and read, with the possibility of some > free time in January. So I thought, what better way to use the time than a > little learning? I've been administering a few Debian boxen for a long > time, and worked with a bunch of different commercial databases > professionally, but never really figured out how to write a decent web page > or develop a real web app or web service. Any suggestions for the best way > to learn how? I'm open to suggestions, but I was thinking along the lines > of php and mySQL since I'm already running a bunch of apps on that platform. > > Format is another interesting question. I'd prefer an eBook, but those are > hard to find. Dead-tree editions work well enough and don't run out of > batteries. Online tutorials and HOWTOs are great, but I find most are > either a good primer or a detailed solution to one specific problem, neither > one is really good for learning a broad topic. > > Thanks in advance! > > -kms > It might just be easier to learn something like Drupal. That way a lot of the tedious stuff is done for you. Instead of re-inventing the wheel and all. -- Brandon Sandrowicz -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 12:34:54 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:34:54 -0500 Subject: .ogg to .mp3 converter In-Reply-To: <20071211153534.GD2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20071210233235.27627.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211153534.GD2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <473c25250712180434k3f6d6a76p1ecb01cf6f2905fa@mail.gmail.com> On 12/11/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 06:32:35PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > What is an easy-to-install/operate .ogg to .mp3 converter. I got my wife an > > .mp3 thumb drive for Christmas. It's much easier than the iPod - just drag > > and drop .mp3's onto the drive. > > > > It's not one of (the very few?) .mp3 thumb drives that supports .ogg's. I'm > > using ubuntu 7.10 now - recent convert from rh 6.0 through fedora 7. > > Well you could use: > ogg123 -d wav@ -f foo.wav foo.ogg > > Then you could ask lame to convert the wav file to an mp3. I am sure > that could all be turned into a nice script. > > transcode might even do it all in one command. I haven't checked. > > -- > Len Sorensen I'm thinking he's looking for a GUI front-end that his wife can easily operate on her own though. -- Brandon Sandrowicz -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 14:17:45 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Christopher Aitken) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:17:45 -0500 Subject: .ogg to .mp3 converter In-Reply-To: <473c25250712180434k3f6d6a76p1ecb01cf6f2905fa-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20071210233235.27627.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211153534.GD2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <473c25250712180434k3f6d6a76p1ecb01cf6f2905fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4767D689.5020802@chrisaitken.net> Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > On 12/11/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 06:32:35PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> >>> What is an easy-to-install/operate .ogg to .mp3 converter. I got my wife an >>> .mp3 thumb drive for Christmas. It's much easier than the iPod - just drag >>> and drop .mp3's onto the drive. >>> >>> It's not one of (the very few?) .mp3 thumb drives that supports .ogg's. I'm >>> using ubuntu 7.10 now - recent convert from rh 6.0 through fedora 7. >>> >> Well you could use: >> ogg123 -d wav@ -f foo.wav foo.ogg >> >> Then you could ask lame to convert the wav file to an mp3. I am sure >> that could all be turned into a nice script. >> >> transcode might even do it all in one command. I haven't checked. >> >> -- >> Len Sorensen >> > > I'm thinking he's looking for a GUI front-end that his wife can easily > operate on her own though. > After I did 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer*' all my gui sound apps were able to save to .mp3 format. For example, audacity can now save to .mp3. I also installed audio-convert and soundconvertor and both those apps work but I guess I don't need them now because of gstreamer. I'm sticking her Gospel CDs in the CD drive, Sound Juicer auto-opens (and now has /mp3 save capability). I rip the songs to /home/chris/Music, then I drag the .mp3's onto /media/PEARL (when the /mp3 thumb drive is plugged into the USB port) in nautilus and it's working like a charm. I'm keeping this email though for future reference. Thanks, Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 14:19:47 2007 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Christopher Aitken) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:19:47 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071218005509.1e590395-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071201235101.7416.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763D848.2030905@chrisaitken.net> <20071215101715.25ed284d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47640DDF.5030501@chrisaitken.net> <20071217153657.GC2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20071218005509.1e590395@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <4767D703.5000103@chrisaitken.net> JoeHill wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 12:24:47PM -0500, Christopher Aitken wrote: >> >>> So, I'll have to do, >>> >>> 'apt-get install gtkpod=0.99.10-2~ppa1' >>> >>> from time to time? >>> >> Well once you install a package with the ~ in the version, it should >> keep upgrading it automatically after that (unless a non experimental >> package with a higher version comes out and replaces it, then it will >> stick with the normal version again until told otherwise again). >> > > The problem in the case of this gtkpod package is that it keeps wanting to > update the experimental package even though the version numbers appear (to me) > to be the same. On my Ubuntu system it shows an update from 0.99.10-2~ppa1 to > 0.99.10-2. Wow - I'll bet if I said ok to that it would strip the 3rd gen nano (video) functionality that we worked so hard to get on my system. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 14:40:30 2007 From: myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:40:30 -0500 Subject: Web hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03A95204-736E-4032-A4AC-D92B7527936A@monkeyinyoursoul.com> I really like linode.com. On 18-Dec-07, at 12:27 AM, Christopher Browne wrote: > It looks like I need to start a search for a new hosting provider, as > present providers are apparently closing down in January. > > My ideal, I think, would be to be able to run a virtual host, so that > I could customize software on it as I prefer. > > linode.com looks interesting, albeit a bit more expensive than I was > hoping for... > > Any other suggestions? > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and > expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert > Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 16:03:27 2007 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:03:27 -0500 Subject: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) In-Reply-To: <473c25250712180414j43514d51r41280dc01bed3b59-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47673922.0d39400a.6e2b.fffff2b6@mx.google.com> <473c25250712180414j43514d51r41280dc01bed3b59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4386c5b20712180803n5fd10b9mf89c734f8f6509da@mail.gmail.com> > It might just be easier to learn something like Drupal. That way a > lot of the tedious stuff is done for you. Instead of re-inventing the > wheel and all. Bah. Why invent a particular brand of wheel when you can make your own? :-) Learning PHP and MySQL is the way to go: it's the always-there, 1-2 punch of web application development. Drupal is fine, and Rails is cool, but frameworks make you work a certain way. I used a dead-tree book called "PHP and MySQL Development", some years ago, to learn how to do this stuff. Here's it on amazon.com, which is an updated version: http://www.amazon.com/PHP-MySQL-Development-Developers-Library/dp/0672329166/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197993692&sr=8-1 Great book, and very easy to follow through from total basics to advanced topics. I used it to help me as I tackled a project head-on (to echo a former poster, it's the only way to go). And unless you have an ebook reader on hand, you can't beat having a separate thing on your desk to reference as you code. Cheers! Aaron. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 16:06:52 2007 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:06:52 -0500 Subject: MythTV presentation sources and resources. In-Reply-To: References: <138382.75306.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071218160652.GB31806@adb.ca> Christopher Browne wrote: > Note: I have added all of these links to the GTALUG wiki: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/MythTV Would help if the DNS for that domain wasn't presently laying in tatters. Meanwhile, availability of some of the bits in this area would be a helpful part of this. Some items mentioned on the major MythTV pages might be discontinued or otherwise unavailable in Canada at present. The docs suggest that the DVR-350 card is the thing one wants, and from your earlier note that you were able to obtain a used one, so it sounds like there's a bit of an issue with tracking those down. If there's a replacement that works under Linux (especially the output to a TV; it seems like most video cards prefer proprietary drivers) the state of play there would be useful to figure out. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 16:13:08 2007 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:13:08 -0500 Subject: Web hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 18, 2007 12:27 AM, Christopher Browne wrote: > It looks like I need to start a search for a new hosting provider, as > present providers are apparently closing down in January. > > My ideal, I think, would be to be able to run a virtual host, so that > I could customize software on it as I prefer. > > linode.com looks interesting, albeit a bit more expensive than I was > hoping for... > > Any other suggestions? I've been very happy with pair Networks [1] as a web provider. Very solid systems (FreeBSD, not to start a war or anything), very solid infrastructure, great value. 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On my Ubuntu system it shows an update from > > 0.99.10-2~ppa1 to 0.99.10-2. > Wow - I'll bet if I said ok to that it would strip the 3rd gen nano > (video) functionality that we worked so hard to get on my system. Yep, though it would be a pretty quick fix to get it working again. It's just kind of a pain to have to watch out for that every time you do an update. Of course, you could just never run the update applet... ;) -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "Why would a robot need to drink?" -Fry "I don't need to drink, I can quit anytime I want." -Bender -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 16:41:40 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:41:40 -0500 Subject: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20712180803n5fd10b9mf89c734f8f6509da-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47673922.0d39400a.6e2b.fffff2b6@mx.google.com> <473c25250712180414j43514d51r41280dc01bed3b59@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20712180803n5fd10b9mf89c734f8f6509da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <473c25250712180841y621e05c5odcc4ab178653175b@mail.gmail.com> On 12/18/07, Aaron Vegh wrote: > > It might just be easier to learn something like Drupal. That way a > > lot of the tedious stuff is done for you. Instead of re-inventing the > > wheel and all. > > Bah. Why invent a particular brand of wheel when you can make your > own? :-) Learning PHP and MySQL is the way to go: it's the > always-there, 1-2 punch of web application development. Drupal is > fine, and Rails is cool, but frameworks make you work a certain way. > > I used a dead-tree book called "PHP and MySQL Development", some years > ago, to learn how to do this stuff. Here's it on amazon.com, which is > an updated version: > > http://www.amazon.com/PHP-MySQL-Development-Developers-Library/dp/0672329166/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197993692&sr=8-1 > > Great book, and very easy to follow through from total basics to > advanced topics. I used it to help me as I tackled a project head-on > (to echo a former poster, it's the only way to go). And unless you > have an ebook reader on hand, you can't beat having a separate thing > on your desk to reference as you code. > > Cheers! > Aaron. You say that, but it's not like anyone is arguing that instead of using libjpeg you need to write your own code to parse JPEGs. It's not like people are arguing to toss out libreadline. It's a matter of preference. I have never personally used Drupal, but I know that a lot of people create a web app code that is horrible mangled and unable to be maintained because they just code by the seat of their pants. And coding directly in PHP MySQL allows people to make horrible mistakes like not properly escaping user input that is going into an SQL query. It's not like in Perl where you have DBI that abstracts some of that for you. At least the last time that I looked at PHP you had to do all of that on your own, at least calling a function to escape all of the data individually, and then sticking it into a SQL statement string for the query. I just was mentioning Drupal because it's a large project with plenty of support and active development. Especially when starting out, I would think that it might be better to start with the overall system, and then possibly work down into the guts of it yourself later on. If you aren't going to use something like Drupal, I would at least suggest trying to find some sort of DBI-type interface to interacting with databases, and using ready-made templating engines like Smarty instead of trying to completely invent all of that on your own. -- Brandon Sandrowicz -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 16:52:26 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:52:26 -0500 Subject: MythTV presentation sources and resources. In-Reply-To: <20071218160652.GB31806-SACILpcuo74@public.gmane.org> References: <138382.75306.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20071218160652.GB31806@adb.ca> Message-ID: <20071218165226.GD2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 11:06:52AM -0500, Anthony de Boer wrote: > Would help if the DNS for that domain wasn't presently laying in tatters. > > Meanwhile, availability of some of the bits in this area would be a > helpful part of this. Some items mentioned on the major MythTV pages > might be discontinued or otherwise unavailable in Canada at present. The > docs suggest that the DVR-350 card is the thing one wants, and from your > earlier note that you were able to obtain a used one, so it sounds like > there's a bit of an issue with tracking those down. If there's a > replacement that works under Linux (especially the output to a TV; it > seems like most video cards prefer proprietary drivers) the state of play > there would be useful to figure out. PVR-350 not DVR-350. Not sure who sells those (if they are available anymore). Personally I think the PVR-500 is the way to go. Two tuners from one cable input in one pci slot. I much prefer using the SVIDEO or Component output on my nvidia card instead. Much more flexible. And I get to take advantage of the opengl effects in mythtv as well. Once upon a time hardware mpeg2 decoding was a nice feature to have, but who doesn't have enough cpu power to decode mpeg2 (especially with Xvideo support in the driver for the video card) without hardware decoding? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 16:57:30 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:57:30 -0500 Subject: .ogg to .mp3 converter In-Reply-To: <473c25250712180434k3f6d6a76p1ecb01cf6f2905fa-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20071210233235.27627.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211153534.GD2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <473c25250712180434k3f6d6a76p1ecb01cf6f2905fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071218165730.GE2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 07:34:54AM -0500, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > I'm thinking he's looking for a GUI front-end that his wife can easily > operate on her own though. Graphics don't make things easy. Once upon a time secretaries all over the place had no problem operating wordperfect without graphics. I once heard someone state that the Macintosh didn't make things easier for new users, it simply made things harder for experts so that everyone was equally incapable of getting work done on computers. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 16:59:39 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:59:39 -0500 Subject: gtkpod on ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20071218005509.1e590395-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20071202183830.048a633f@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20071210234454.32602.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200712102114.03039.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> <20071211024818.28360.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211003602.7b2d5477@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <4763D848.2030905@chrisaitken.net> <20071215101715.25ed284d@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <47640DDF.5030501@chrisaitken.net> <20071217153657.GC2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20071218005509.1e590395@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20071218165939.GF2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 12:55:09AM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > The problem in the case of this gtkpod package is that it keeps wanting to > update the experimental package even though the version numbers appear (to me) > to be the same. On my Ubuntu system it shows an update from 0.99.10-2~ppa1 to > 0.99.10-2. Is there some way, like a 'skip list', to tell apt not to upgrade a > particular package unless one explicitly requests it? I know urpmi allows me to > do this, but I also know how you feel about package managers like RPM ;) Well -2 ought to be newer than an experimental -2 package, but if in this case it isn't, then you can just put it on hold. echo "packagename hold" | dpkg --set-selections Or hit '=' on the package in aptitude. To remove it from hold do: echo "packagename install" | dpkg --set-selections Or go hit '+' in aptitude on the package. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 17:19:46 2007 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:19:46 -0500 Subject: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) In-Reply-To: <473c25250712180841y621e05c5odcc4ab178653175b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <47673922.0d39400a.6e2b.fffff2b6@mx.google.com> <473c25250712180414j43514d51r41280dc01bed3b59@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20712180803n5fd10b9mf89c734f8f6509da@mail.gmail.com> <473c25250712180841y621e05c5odcc4ab178653175b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47680132.2010409@pobox.com> Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > It's a matter of preference. I have never personally used Drupal, but > I know that a lot of people create a web app code that is horrible > mangled and unable to be maintained because they just code by the seat > of their pants. And coding directly in PHP MySQL allows people to > make horrible mistakes like not properly escaping user input that is > going into an SQL query. It's not like in Perl where you have DBI > that abstracts some of that for you. > Indeed, when starting with PHP, I think the the safe course is to *expect* one's code to be riddled with major security holes. It takes knowledge, experience and work to make a reasonably secure PHP application -- just look at the history of such things as Wordpress. That's actually a big argument FOR using a framework in PHP: do your homework and pick something that abstracts and validates away as many of the language's dangerous mis-features as possible, leaving you with much less tedious and error-prone work to do. Writing web apps just for fun can be... fun, but if you're going to put anything on the Internet, it's vital to be aware of the (many, many) security risks, considerations and gotchas with web development. Check out the archives of the Web Security mailing list for a bit of a scare, and for a better appreciation of Walt Dnes's paranoia: http://www.webappsec.org/lists/websecurity/ The OWASP site (http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Main_Page) is also invaluable for their guide and top 10 lists, as well as web security tools. I don't mean to discourage anyone from jumping in and trying stuff on LANs. I just want to bring some attention to the fact that putting up applications on the Internet can be dangerous -- not just for your application, but for all your application's users. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 17:20:54 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:20:54 -0500 Subject: .ogg to .mp3 converter In-Reply-To: <20071218165730.GE2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20071210233235.27627.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211153534.GD2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <473c25250712180434k3f6d6a76p1ecb01cf6f2905fa@mail.gmail.com> <20071218165730.GE2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <473c25250712180920v5ded4b3av3dfb2a7db80c9bb0@mail.gmail.com> On 12/18/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 07:34:54AM -0500, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > > I'm thinking he's looking for a GUI front-end that his wife can easily > > operate on her own though. > > Graphics don't make things easy. > > Once upon a time secretaries all over the place had no problem operating > wordperfect without graphics. > > I once heard someone state that the Macintosh didn't make things easier > for new users, it simply made things harder for experts so that everyone > was equally incapable of getting work done on computers. > > -- > Len Sorensen Should we start using line-feed printers too? Text-based photoshop? VT100 OpenOffice.org with TrueType fonts? Looking pretty doesn't necessary affect usability, but things like having a listbox that someone can drag files into and then hit a button that says "convert" is a lot easier than having to teach someone regular expressions just to use something. You don't argue that power steering is for wussies and everyone that owns a car should be able to pull a MacGuyver whenever part of the engine breaks (using toothpicks and chewing gum to replace the fan belt or something). While text-based might be perfectly workable I would hardly say it's as intuitive to new users as many of the conventions of a graphical interface. But I don't want to get into an argument about graphical vs text. I've had many discussions about how "intuitive" things are with people on Mac forums and it's like bashing your head against a wall. People have different ways of looking at things and you're not going to make it completely intuitive to everyone until word proccessing becomes something like Snow Crash, where you sit down at a virtual desk in a virtual world to write your memo on a virtual peice of paper. -- Brandon Sandrowicz -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 18:06:22 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:06:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: MythTV presentation sources and resources. In-Reply-To: <20071218160652.GB31806-SACILpcuo74@public.gmane.org> References: <20071218160652.GB31806@adb.ca> Message-ID: <913054.62693.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Anthony de Boer wrote: > Christopher Browne wrote: > > Note: I have added all of these links to the > GTALUG wiki: > > http://gtalug.org/wiki/MythTV > > Would help if the DNS for that domain wasn't > presently laying in tatters. The powers that be have now been informed about this. > Meanwhile, availability of some of the bits in this > area would be a > helpful part of this. Some items mentioned on the > major MythTV pages > might be discontinued or otherwise unavailable in > Canada at present. The > docs suggest that the DVR-350 card is the thing one > wants, and from your > earlier note that you were able to obtain a used > one, so it sounds like > there's a bit of an issue with tracking those down. I recently got a (used) Hauppauge PVR-350 card. Very nice analog TV tuner card, but there are some concerns to be aware of all noted here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PVR-350 > If there's a > replacement that works under Linux (especially the > output to a TV; it > seems like most video cards prefer proprietary > drivers) the state of play > there would be useful to figure out. Off hand I am not aware of any MythTV supported cards that do both TV tuning and video output all on the one card. Options as I see it as of December 2007 are: - Get a basic (under $50) nVidia based card for output, and what ever tuner card(s) meet your technical/budget demands (the route I have currently taken). - Wait n months for the recent ATI technical specs. offering to deliver results and then use an open source ATI driver (with your pick of TV tuner card(s)). - Locate a used PVR-350 card (eBay?). Then live with the issues noted in the above website regarding the PVR-350 output. The current path of least resistance is get a basic nVidia card and that is the path I would CURRENTLY recommend. Colin McGregor > -- > Anthony de Boer > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 18:10:16 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:10:16 -0500 Subject: MythTV presentation sources and resources. In-Reply-To: <913054.62693.qm-JoSsSUNfUciB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20071218160652.GB31806@adb.ca> <913054.62693.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880712181010m36f39381mfc51a825fe4018b@mail.gmail.com> - Get a basic (under $50) nVidia based card for output, and what ever tuner card(s) meet your technical/budget demands (the route I have currently taken). If its any help, I used this option to with my PVR 150. The thing to note is that some tuners have blasters.. I don't think the 350 does :) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 18:43:31 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:43:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: MythTV presentation sources and resources. In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880712181010m36f39381mfc51a825fe4018b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880712181010m36f39381mfc51a825fe4018b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <362099.83080.qm@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Dave Germiquet wrote: > - Get a basic (under $50) nVidia based card for > output, and what ever tuner card(s) meet your > technical/budget demands (the route I have currently > taken). > > If its any help, I used this option to with my PVR > 150. The thing to > note is that some tuners have blasters.. I don't > think the 350 does :) Valid point. There have been multiple versions of the Happauge PVR-150, some with remote controls, and/or IR blasters. An IR blaster is important IF you need your computer to be able to control an external cable and/or satellite TV box (the IR blaster lets your MythTV box mimic the remote for the cable or satellite box). The above explains why Tiger Direct sells two versions of the PVR-150 one for $85.99 another for $121.99 (first is just the bare card, the other is card plus remote, IR detector and IR blaster). You will likely want multiple tuners (Murphy's Law for TV being: 29 days of the month there is nothing but @#$% on TV and then for 1-2 days everything you want to see is scheduled all at the same time :-( ). But in a typical MythTV box you only want/need one TV IR detector. So, if your hopeless with tools (see below) you would want one tuner with the extra bits and the extra card(s) to be bare bones. If you are handy with a low wattage soldering iron, you can build your own IR detector, as I've noted here: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8811 Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 18:46:18 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:46:18 -0500 Subject: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) In-Reply-To: <227853.1791.qm-Dg+WWQ2Xa1eA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <227853.1791.qm@web61311.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47681576.0f39400a.14e6.4bee@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of E K > Sent: Monday 17 December 2007 22:47 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) > > I think the best way to learn such things is by tasking > yourself to a project and trying to find your way RTFM. Both > php and MySql have descent downloadable manuals. > > EK Definitely planning on a real project, but I was looking for something to guide me through the process. I suppose part of it is the difference between just using the tools, and using them well. Actually, what I really need is a guide to making good looking web pages. I know enough SQL to figure out mySQL, and I can likely figure out PHP, but how to use them to actually make a good and useful site is something I've never done. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 18:47:58 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:47:58 -0500 Subject: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) In-Reply-To: <473c25250712180414j43514d51r41280dc01bed3b59-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <473c25250712180414j43514d51r41280dc01bed3b59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <476815d8.0d39400a.6e2b.61bc@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf > Of Brandon Sandrowicz > Sent: Tuesday 18 December 2007 07:15 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) > > It might just be easier to learn something like Drupal. That > way a lot of the tedious stuff is done for you. Instead of > re-inventing the wheel and all. I would tend to agree with you there, except that what I'm planning on doing is significantly different than what Drupal offers. Using existing tools has been my approach so far, but my lack of any knowledge on the inner workings has seriously limited my ability to actual customize them. -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 18:50:01 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:50:01 -0500 Subject: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20712180803n5fd10b9mf89c734f8f6509da-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20712180803n5fd10b9mf89c734f8f6509da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47681652.1038400a.6a73.1b44@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf > Of Aaron Vegh > Sent: Tuesday 18 December 2007 11:03 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) > > > It might just be easier to learn something like Drupal. That way a > > lot of the tedious stuff is done for you. Instead of > re-inventing the > > wheel and all. > > Bah. Why invent a particular brand of wheel when you can make > your own? :-) Learning PHP and MySQL is the way to go: it's > the always-there, 1-2 punch of web application development. > Drupal is fine, and Rails is cool, but frameworks make you > work a certain way. > > I used a dead-tree book called "PHP and MySQL Development", > some years ago, to learn how to do this stuff. Here's it on > amazon.com, which is an updated version: > > http://www.amazon.com/PHP-MySQL-Development-Developers-Library > /dp/0672329166/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197993692&sr=8-1 Thanks, I'll have a look at that one! > Great book, and very easy to follow through from total basics > to advanced topics. I used it to help me as I tackled a > project head-on (to echo a former poster, it's the only way > to go). And unless you have an ebook reader on hand, you > can't beat having a separate thing on your desk to reference > as you code. I have a tablet PC that I don't normally use for coding. It's great for docs, email, and ebooks! My current project involves Oracle, and it would probably require the restarting of a few papermills if I asked for documentation on paper! -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 19:51:44 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:51:44 -0500 Subject: more bash! regex substitution to crop trailing whitespaces Message-ID: <476824D0.6070301@alteeve.com> Hi all, I am almost done this darn bash script of mine (insane as it is), but I've got one hurdle I can't seem to get over... It *should* be the last hurdle for me to finish this things and start the long process of regaining some sanity. I read in key=value pairs from a file, which is easy enough. I can cut off preceeding white spaces just fine with: -=-=-=-=- if [[ "$line" =~ "(.*)=(.*)" ]]; then { # Assign the lhs (left-hand-side) to 'KEY', and the rhs to 'VAL'. KEY=${BASH_REMATCH[1]}; VAL=${BASH_REMATCH[2]}; echo ">> Pair - key: [${KEY}] - val: [${VAL}]." # Leading spaces off of VAL if [[ "$VAL" =~ '(\s+)(.*)' ]]; then { VAL=${BASH_REMATCH[2]}; } fi # Trailing spaces off of VAL; FAILS! if [[ "$VAL" =~ '(.*)(\s+)$' ]]; then { VAL=${BASH_REMATCH[1]}; } fi { fi -=-=-=-=- But I can't get trailing spaces cut off. The '(.*)(\s+)' pattern doesn't match because it's greedy and matches to the end of the string. This: -=-=-=-=- echo "val: [${VAL/\s+/}]"; -=-=-=-=- Doesn't match because '\s' is not treated as 'whitespace' and '[:blank:]' seems to be plain out ignored... I've been reading and search and head->desk-ing for hours now... The closest I've found, doc-wise, is this from 'man bash': -=-=-=-=- ${parameter/pattern/string} ${parameter//pattern/string} The pattern is expanded to produce a pattern just as in pathname expansion. Parameter is expanded and the longest match of pattern against its value is replaced with string. In the first form, only the first match is replaced. The second form causes all matches of pattern to be replaced with string. If pattern begins with #, it must match at the beginning of the expanded value of parameter. If pattern begins with %, it must match at the end of the expanded value of parameter. If string is null, matches of pattern are deleted and the / fol? lowing pattern may be omitted. If parameter is @ or *, the substitution operation is applied to each positional parameter in turn, and the expansion is the resultant list. If parameter is an array variable subscripted with @ or *, the substitution operation is applied to each member of the array in turn, and the expansion is the resultant list. -=-=-=-=- However, I seem to be failing to grasp something... help? :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 20:09:16 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:09:16 -0500 Subject: more bash! regex substitution to crop trailing whitespaces In-Reply-To: <476824D0.6070301-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <476824D0.6070301@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <476828EC.4030703@ve3syb.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > # Leading spaces off of VAL > if [[ "$VAL" =~ '(\s+)(.*)' ]]; then > { > VAL=${BASH_REMATCH[2]}; > } You should consider changing the if statement to anchor the pattern match to the start of the string. if [[ "$VAL" =~ '^(\s+)(.*)' ]]; then -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 20:09:59 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:09:59 -0500 Subject: .ogg to .mp3 converter In-Reply-To: <473c25250712180920v5ded4b3av3dfb2a7db80c9bb0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20071210233235.27627.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211153534.GD2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <473c25250712180434k3f6d6a76p1ecb01cf6f2905fa@mail.gmail.com> <20071218165730.GE2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <473c25250712180920v5ded4b3av3dfb2a7db80c9bb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071218200959.GG2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 12:20:54PM -0500, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > Should we start using line-feed printers too? Text-based photoshop? > VT100 OpenOffice.org with TrueType fonts? > > Looking pretty doesn't necessary affect usability, but things like > having a listbox that someone can drag files into and then hit a > button that says "convert" is a lot easier than having to teach > someone regular expressions just to use something. If it involves dragging, it is already broken. There must be a way to do it without dragging. Dragging is a surprisingly odd concept to many users, and it is not at all obvious that such an operation should be possible (or in some stupid cases required). > You don't argue that power steering is for wussies and everyone that > owns a car should be able to pull a MacGuyver whenever part of the > engine breaks (using toothpicks and chewing gum to replace the fan > belt or something). Power steering does not make steering difficult or more time consuming. GUIs do make things take more time. > While text-based might be perfectly workable I would hardly say it's > as intuitive to new users as many of the conventions of a graphical > interface. But I don't want to get into an argument about graphical > vs text. I've had many discussions about how "intuitive" things are > with people on Mac forums and it's like bashing your head against a > wall. People have different ways of looking at things and you're not > going to make it completely intuitive to everyone until word > proccessing becomes something like Snow Crash, where you sit down at a > virtual desk in a virtual world to write your memo on a virtual peice > of paper. A text menu or prompt can in many cases be much more obvious than a GUI. The majority of programmers make very very bad GUI designs. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 20:11:10 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:11:10 -0500 Subject: MythTV presentation sources and resources. In-Reply-To: <362099.83080.qm-N/0UzftCW16B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880712181010m36f39381mfc51a825fe4018b@mail.gmail.com> <362099.83080.qm@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880712181211j1b0997f9g91ef8290b6677477@mail.gmail.com> Just so you know I've bought a IR blaster / ir receiver before for about 20 bucks however you should make sure the following: 1. You have enough serial ports (it appears NEW computers are getting rid of serial ports) this pisses me off 2. You have enough PCI slots (most computers nowadays are only having 3 or 4 which piss me off toop) On Dec 18, 2007 1:43 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > > --- Dave Germiquet wrote: > > - Get a basic (under $50) nVidia based card for > > output, and what ever tuner card(s) meet your > > technical/budget demands (the route I have currently > > taken). > > > > If its any help, I used this option to with my PVR > > 150. The thing to > > note is that some tuners have blasters.. I don't > > think the 350 does :) > > Valid point. There have been multiple versions of the > Happauge PVR-150, some with remote controls, and/or IR > blasters. An IR blaster is important IF you need your > computer to be able to control an external cable > and/or satellite TV box (the IR blaster lets your > MythTV box mimic the remote for the cable or satellite > box). > > The above explains why Tiger Direct sells two versions > of the PVR-150 one for $85.99 another for $121.99 > (first is just the bare card, the other is card plus > remote, IR detector and IR blaster). > > You will likely want multiple tuners (Murphy's Law for > TV being: 29 days of the month there is nothing but > @#$% on TV and then for 1-2 days everything you want > to see is scheduled all at the same time :-( ). But in > a typical MythTV box you only want/need one TV IR > detector. So, if your hopeless with tools (see below) > you would want one tuner with the extra bits and the > extra card(s) to be bare bones. > > If you are handy with a low wattage soldering iron, > you can build your own IR detector, as I've noted > here: > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8811 > > Colin McGregor > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 20:11:27 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:11:27 -0500 Subject: more bash! regex substitution to crop trailing whitespaces In-Reply-To: <476828EC.4030703-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <476824D0.6070301@alteeve.com> <476828EC.4030703@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <4768296F.7050007@alteeve.com> Kevin Cozens wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: >> # Leading spaces off of VAL >> if [[ "$VAL" =~ '(\s+)(.*)' ]]; then >> { >> VAL=${BASH_REMATCH[2]}; >> } > > You should consider changing the if statement to anchor the pattern > match to the start of the string. > > if [[ "$VAL" =~ '^(\s+)(.*)' ]]; then > You are indeed right. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 20:16:51 2007 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:16:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: more bash! regex substitution to crop trailing whitespaces In-Reply-To: <476824D0.6070301-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <476824D0.6070301@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <492620.31331.qm@web61313.mail.yahoo.com> --- Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I am almost done this darn bash script of mine (insane as it > is), but > I've got one hurdle I can't seem to get over... It *should* be the > last > hurdle for me to finish this things and start the long process of > regaining some sanity. > > I read in key=value pairs from a file, which is easy enough. I > can > cut off preceeding white spaces just fine with: > > -=-=-=-=- > if [[ "$line" =~ "(.*)=(.*)" ]]; then > { > # Assign the lhs (left-hand-side) to 'KEY', and the rhs to 'VAL'. > KEY=${BASH_REMATCH[1]}; > VAL=${BASH_REMATCH[2]}; > echo ">> Pair - key: [${KEY}] - val: [${VAL}]." > > # Leading spaces off of VAL > if [[ "$VAL" =~ '(\s+)(.*)' ]]; then > { > VAL=${BASH_REMATCH[2]}; > } > fi > > # Trailing spaces off of VAL; FAILS! > if [[ "$VAL" =~ '(.*)(\s+)$' ]]; then > { > VAL=${BASH_REMATCH[1]}; > } > fi > { > fi > -=-=-=-=- > > But I can't get trailing spaces cut off. The '(.*)(\s+)' pattern > > doesn't match because it's greedy and matches to the end of the > string. > This: > > -=-=-=-=- > echo "val: [${VAL/\s+/}]"; > -=-=-=-=- > > Doesn't match because '\s' is not treated as 'whitespace' and > '[:blank:]' seems to be plain out ignored... > > I've been reading and search and head->desk-ing for hours now... > The > closest I've found, doc-wise, is this from 'man bash': > > -=-=-=-=- > ${parameter/pattern/string} > ${parameter//pattern/string} > The pattern is expanded to produce a pattern just > as in > pathname expansion. Parameter is expanded and > the > longest match of pattern against its value is > replaced > with string. In the first form, only the first > match is > replaced. The second form causes all matches of > pattern > to be replaced with string. If pattern begins with > #, > it must match at the beginning of the expanded > value of > parameter. If pattern begins with %, it must match > at > the end of the expanded value of parameter. If > string > is null, matches of pattern are deleted and the / > fol??? > lowing pattern may be omitted. If parameter is @ > or *, > the substitution operation is applied to each > positional > parameter in turn, and the expansion is the > resultant > list. If parameter is an array variable > subscripted > with @ or *, the substitution operation is > applied to > each member of the array in turn, and the expansion > is > the resultant list. > -=-=-=-=- > > However, I seem to be failing to grasp something... > > help? :) Can you try VAL1=`echo $VAL` # ` is the back quote and use $VAL1 in what you will be using $VAL. If the trailing spaces are recognized as such by the shell, the above assignment should remove them. Hope that helps, EK > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 20:40:13 2007 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:40:13 -0500 Subject: more bash! regex substitution to crop trailing whitespaces In-Reply-To: <492620.31331.qm-66axR3KBzXCA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <492620.31331.qm@web61313.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4768302D.5050102@alteeve.com> E K wrote: > Can you try > > VAL1=`echo $VAL` # ` is the back quote > > and use $VAL1 in what you will be using $VAL. If the trailing spaces > are recognized as such by the shell, the above assignment should > remove them. > > Hope that helps, > EK This does indeed work. It's not a "proper" regex, but at this point... :P Thanks! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmacaranas-/DrkG639A0k at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 20:43:24 2007 From: jmacaranas-/DrkG639A0k at public.gmane.org (jmacaranas-/DrkG639A0k at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:43:24 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] - Re:more bash! regex substitution to crop trailing whitespaces - Email found in subject In-Reply-To: <492620.31331.qm-66axR3KBzXCA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <476824D0.6070301@alteeve.com> <492620.31331.qm@web61313.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D32E9B6A504554489FFFD81E7FF281305788910@MX01.fxdd.com> You can try this out.. while [[ $x = *[$' \t\n'] ]]; do x=${x%[$' \t\n']}; done -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of E K Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 3:17 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [TLUG]: more bash! regex substitution to crop trailing whitespaces - Email found in subject --- Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I am almost done this darn bash script of mine (insane as it > is), but > I've got one hurdle I can't seem to get over... It *should* be the > last > hurdle for me to finish this things and start the long process of > regaining some sanity. > > I read in key=value pairs from a file, which is easy enough. I > can > cut off preceeding white spaces just fine with: > > -=-=-=-=- > if [[ "$line" =~ "(.*)=(.*)" ]]; then > { > # Assign the lhs (left-hand-side) to 'KEY', and the rhs to 'VAL'. > KEY=${BASH_REMATCH[1]}; > VAL=${BASH_REMATCH[2]}; > echo ">> Pair - key: [${KEY}] - val: [${VAL}]." > > # Leading spaces off of VAL > if [[ "$VAL" =~ '(\s+)(.*)' ]]; then > { > VAL=${BASH_REMATCH[2]}; > } > fi > > # Trailing spaces off of VAL; FAILS! > if [[ "$VAL" =~ '(.*)(\s+)$' ]]; then > { > VAL=${BASH_REMATCH[1]}; > } > fi > { > fi > -=-=-=-=- > > But I can't get trailing spaces cut off. The '(.*)(\s+)' pattern > > doesn't match because it's greedy and matches to the end of the > string. > This: > > -=-=-=-=- > echo "val: [${VAL/\s+/}]"; > -=-=-=-=- > > Doesn't match because '\s' is not treated as 'whitespace' and > '[:blank:]' seems to be plain out ignored... > > I've been reading and search and head->desk-ing for hours now... > The > closest I've found, doc-wise, is this from 'man bash': > > -=-=-=-=- > ${parameter/pattern/string} > ${parameter//pattern/string} > The pattern is expanded to produce a pattern just > as in > pathname expansion. Parameter is expanded and > the > longest match of pattern against its value is > replaced > with string. In the first form, only the first > match is > replaced. The second form causes all matches of > pattern > to be replaced with string. If pattern begins with > #, > it must match at the beginning of the expanded > value of > parameter. If pattern begins with %, it must match > at > the end of the expanded value of parameter. If > string > is null, matches of pattern are deleted and the / > fol??? > lowing pattern may be omitted. If parameter is @ > or *, > the substitution operation is applied to each > positional > parameter in turn, and the expansion is the > resultant > list. If parameter is an array variable > subscripted > with @ or *, the substitution operation is > applied to > each member of the array in turn, and the expansion > is > the resultant list. > -=-=-=-=- > > However, I seem to be failing to grasp something... > > help? :) Can you try VAL1=`echo $VAL` # ` is the back quote and use $VAL1 in what you will be using $VAL. If the trailing spaces are recognized as such by the shell, the above assignment should remove them. Hope that helps, EK > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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FXDirectDealer, LLC is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jeffliutor-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 21:16:54 2007 From: jeffliutor-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jeff Liu) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:16:54 -0500 Subject: Residential DSL recommendation In-Reply-To: <74106.76028.qm-MKFrfjzrikGA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <74106.76028.qm@web61312.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3263242b0712181316x1436c6dfs4118512380b41328@mail.gmail.com> EK, I have been using their DSL service since 4 months ago and have not had problem so far. Their first year price is the best I can find, only about $19/m if you pay the whole year, but price will raise to $30+/m from the 2nd year. Cheers, Jeff On Dec 17, 2007 10:08 PM, E K wrote: > Hi all, > > I was looking for a residential DSL service and I came across Acanac > of whom I have never heard before. Does any one has experience with > them? Any comment/recommendation? > > Thanks, > EK > > > Looking for a X-Mas gift? Everybody needs a Flickr Pro Account. > > > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 21:35:35 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:35:35 -0500 Subject: MythTV presentation sources and resources. In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880712181211j1b0997f9g91ef8290b6677477-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880712181010m36f39381mfc51a825fe4018b@mail.gmail.com> <362099.83080.qm@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <32f6a8880712181211j1b0997f9g91ef8290b6677477@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071218213535.GH2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 03:11:10PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Just so you know I've bought a IR blaster / ir receiver before for > about 20 bucks however you should make sure the following: > > 1. You have enough serial ports (it appears NEW computers are getting > rid of serial ports) this pisses me off You can get USB serial adapters, and besides USB ports are much more useful in general than serial ports. Serial ports take up a lot of resources and don't share well. Modern interfaces share and are much more flexible. It can be a bit of a pain if you have a serial device you want to use, but in general I would love to get rid of all the legacy crap on the PC (especially the BIOS). > 2. You have enough PCI slots (most computers nowadays are only having > 3 or 4 which piss me off toop) On the other hand in 5 years you will probably be much happier with all those PCI express slots rather than those obsolete slow PCI slots. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 23:03:04 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:03:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: GTALug.org is back In-Reply-To: <20071218160652.GB31806-SACILpcuo74@public.gmane.org> References: <20071218160652.GB31806@adb.ca> Message-ID: <255937.2290.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just to note, GTALug.org is back up and running. The site is running CentOS (a Red Hat fork), and I gather the auto update function broke stuff... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 23:13:16 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:13:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: MythTV presentation sources and resources. In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880712181211j1b0997f9g91ef8290b6677477-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880712181211j1b0997f9g91ef8290b6677477@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <759805.40629.qm@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Dave Germiquet wrote: > Just so you know I've bought a IR blaster / ir > receiver before for > about 20 bucks however you should make sure the > following: Where did you get your IR blaster? I expect to be dealing with a box early in the new year where I will have to use an IR blaster, and if I can go with a pre-built solution that would be nice... > 1. You have enough serial ports (it appears NEW > computers are getting > rid of serial ports) this pisses me off Agreed. > 2. You have enough PCI slots (most computers > nowadays are only having > 3 or 4 which piss me off toop) This is not as big a concern in my mind as there are some external tuners that do work with MythTV such as: www.silicondust.com Colin McGregor > On Dec 18, 2007 1:43 PM, Colin McGregor > wrote: > > > > --- Dave Germiquet > wrote: > > > - Get a basic (under $50) nVidia based card for > > > output, and what ever tuner card(s) meet your > > > technical/budget demands (the route I have > currently > > > taken). > > > > > > If its any help, I used this option to with my > PVR > > > 150. The thing to > > > note is that some tuners have blasters.. I don't > > > think the 350 does :) > > > > Valid point. There have been multiple versions of > the > > Happauge PVR-150, some with remote controls, > and/or IR > > blasters. An IR blaster is important IF you need > your > > computer to be able to control an external cable > > and/or satellite TV box (the IR blaster lets your > > MythTV box mimic the remote for the cable or > satellite > > box). > > > > The above explains why Tiger Direct sells two > versions > > of the PVR-150 one for $85.99 another for $121.99 > > (first is just the bare card, the other is card > plus > > remote, IR detector and IR blaster). > > > > You will likely want multiple tuners (Murphy's Law > for > > TV being: 29 days of the month there is nothing > but > > @#$% on TV and then for 1-2 days everything you > want > > to see is scheduled all at the same time :-( ). > But in > > a typical MythTV box you only want/need one TV IR > > detector. So, if your hopeless with tools (see > below) > > you would want one tuner with the extra bits and > the > > extra card(s) to be bare bones. > > > > If you are handy with a low wattage soldering > iron, > > you can build your own IR detector, as I've noted > > here: > > > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8811 > > > > Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 23:29:07 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:29:07 -0500 Subject: MythTV presentation sources and resources. In-Reply-To: <759805.40629.qm-2K+iNxKRQwOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880712181211j1b0997f9g91ef8290b6677477@mail.gmail.com> <759805.40629.qm@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880712181529y1596066fjc099cbbb2a4a81e@mail.gmail.com> Hi Colin, You could be right, but i've been using mythtv for like 2 years and have adaptec / pvr 150 (cheap tuner cards) so my pci slots are full. Anyway, I haven't tried the blaster yet but I had good service from here: http://www.irblaster.info/?gclid=CJatn4T-spACFQINPAodeBxULQ On Dec 18, 2007 6:13 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > --- Dave Germiquet wrote: > > Just so you know I've bought a IR blaster / ir > > receiver before for > > about 20 bucks however you should make sure the > > following: > > Where did you get your IR blaster? I expect to be > dealing with a box early in the new year where I will > have to use an IR blaster, and if I can go with a > pre-built solution that would be nice... > > > 1. You have enough serial ports (it appears NEW > > computers are getting > > rid of serial ports) this pisses me off > > Agreed. > > > 2. You have enough PCI slots (most computers > > nowadays are only having > > 3 or 4 which piss me off toop) > > This is not as big a concern in my mind as there are > some external tuners that do work with MythTV such as: > > www.silicondust.com > > Colin McGregor > > > > On Dec 18, 2007 1:43 PM, Colin McGregor > > wrote: > > > > > > --- Dave Germiquet > > wrote: > > > > - Get a basic (under $50) nVidia based card for > > > > output, and what ever tuner card(s) meet your > > > > technical/budget demands (the route I have > > currently > > > > taken). > > > > > > > > If its any help, I used this option to with my > > PVR > > > > 150. The thing to > > > > note is that some tuners have blasters.. I don't > > > > think the 350 does :) > > > > > > Valid point. There have been multiple versions of > > the > > > Happauge PVR-150, some with remote controls, > > and/or IR > > > blasters. An IR blaster is important IF you need > > your > > > computer to be able to control an external cable > > > and/or satellite TV box (the IR blaster lets your > > > MythTV box mimic the remote for the cable or > > satellite > > > box). > > > > > > The above explains why Tiger Direct sells two > > versions > > > of the PVR-150 one for $85.99 another for $121.99 > > > (first is just the bare card, the other is card > > plus > > > remote, IR detector and IR blaster). > > > > > > You will likely want multiple tuners (Murphy's Law > > for > > > TV being: 29 days of the month there is nothing > > but > > > @#$% on TV and then for 1-2 days everything you > > want > > > to see is scheduled all at the same time :-( ). > > But in > > > a typical MythTV box you only want/need one TV IR > > > detector. So, if your hopeless with tools (see > > below) > > > you would want one tuner with the extra bits and > > the > > > extra card(s) to be bare bones. > > > > > > If you are handy with a low wattage soldering > > iron, > > > you can build your own IR detector, as I've noted > > > here: > > > > > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8811 > > > > > > Colin McGregor > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 01:40:50 2007 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:40:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Residential DSL recommendation In-Reply-To: <3263242b0712181316x1436c6dfs4118512380b41328-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3263242b0712181316x1436c6dfs4118512380b41328@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <155205.69973.qm@web61324.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jeff Liu wrote: > EK, > > I have been using their DSL service since 4 months ago and have not > had problem so far. Their first year price is the best I can find, > only about $19/m if you pay the whole year, but price will raise to > $30+/m from the 2nd year. > > Cheers, > Jeff > Thank you. EK > On Dec 17, 2007 10:08 PM, E K wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I was looking for a residential DSL service and I came across > Acanac > > of whom I have never heard before. Does any one has experience > with > > them? Any comment/recommendation? > > > > Thanks, > > EK > > > > > > Looking for a X-Mas gift? Everybody needs a Flickr Pro > Account. > > > > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 01:53:34 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:53:34 -0500 Subject: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) In-Reply-To: <476815d8.0d39400a.6e2b.61bc-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <473c25250712180414j43514d51r41280dc01bed3b59@mail.gmail.com> <476815d8.0d39400a.6e2b.61bc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <473c25250712181753m18d89f9chc8b2111684bdf8c5@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 18, 2007 1:47 PM, Kareem Shehata wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf > > Of Brandon Sandrowicz > > Sent: Tuesday 18 December 2007 07:15 > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) > > > > It might just be easier to learn something like Drupal. That > > way a lot of the tedious stuff is done for you. Instead of > > re-inventing the wheel and all. > > I would tend to agree with you there, except that what I'm planning on doing > is significantly different than what Drupal offers. Using existing tools > has been my approach so far, but my lack of any knowledge on the inner > workings has seriously limited my ability to actual customize them. > > > -kms > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > True, but A LOT of stuff happens behind the scenes in some of these 'libraries.' I delved into the sources for CakePHP, mainly to figure out how a lot of the automatic stuff happened with respect to it automagically recognizing a function's purpose by the semantics of the name. There were some really complex regex + verb/noun dictionaries embedded deep in the system (one of them was a function to determine if the function or object name was plural or singular). Though that kind of stuff isn't too important, things like the SQL interactions are. If you are going to get into the guts of the MySQL interaction, it's actually really really simple to call mysql functions. That's why so many people jumped onto the PHP bandwagon. The problem is that it is simple on a basic level. There are no security checks, and you need to know how to do those types of things yourself if you don't want to pass the buck to something that someone else coded. -- Brandon Sandrowicz -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 02:12:59 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:12:59 -0500 Subject: .ogg to .mp3 converter In-Reply-To: <20071218200959.GG2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20071210233235.27627.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20071211153534.GD2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <473c25250712180434k3f6d6a76p1ecb01cf6f2905fa@mail.gmail.com> <20071218165730.GE2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <473c25250712180920v5ded4b3av3dfb2a7db80c9bb0@mail.gmail.com> <20071218200959.GG2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <473c25250712181812n33a501c2sdc98b55f881f00bc@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 18, 2007 3:09 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 12:20:54PM -0500, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > > Should we start using line-feed printers too? Text-based photoshop? > > VT100 OpenOffice.org with TrueType fonts? > > > > Looking pretty doesn't necessary affect usability, but things like > > having a listbox that someone can drag files into and then hit a > > button that says "convert" is a lot easier than having to teach > > someone regular expressions just to use something. > > If it involves dragging, it is already broken. There must be a way to > do it without dragging. Dragging is a surprisingly odd concept to many > users, and it is not at all obvious that such an operation should be > possible (or in some stupid cases required). > > > You don't argue that power steering is for wussies and everyone that > > owns a car should be able to pull a MacGuyver whenever part of the > > engine breaks (using toothpicks and chewing gum to replace the fan > > belt or something). > > Power steering does not make steering difficult or more time consuming. > GUIs do make things take more time. > > > While text-based might be perfectly workable I would hardly say it's > > as intuitive to new users as many of the conventions of a graphical > > interface. But I don't want to get into an argument about graphical > > vs text. I've had many discussions about how "intuitive" things are > > with people on Mac forums and it's like bashing your head against a > > wall. People have different ways of looking at things and you're not > > going to make it completely intuitive to everyone until word > > proccessing becomes something like Snow Crash, where you sit down at a > > virtual desk in a virtual world to write your memo on a virtual peice > > of paper. > > A text menu or prompt can in many cases be much more obvious than a GUI. > The majority of programmers make very very bad GUI designs. > > > -- > Len Sorensen I won't argue with you that a lot of GUI design is broken though. You say a prompt too, but prompts are not immediately obvious. Have you ever tried to play a text-based adventure that gave you no guidelines? Things like needing to know a specific verb for what you want to do when maybe a synonym is the first word that you think of? Is it "use food?" Or is it "eat food?" Or is it "cook food" then "eat food?" Or is it "cook food" then "use food?" etc... And less time consuming != easier for people to figure out and work with. Even text-based can be more time-consuming at times. Especially if you are trying to select a whole batch of files (as long as the GUI designer wasn't so brain-dead as to disallow you to make multiple selections in the open dialog box). I'll admit that for power users, using a terminal can be quicker, but I don't think that the average user is going to give up the GUI. If you really get down to it, neither GUI nor text is the most efficient. The most efficient will be when we get thought recognition, and people can tell the computer exactly what they want it to do. Or at least really really good voice recognition (though that's debatable). -- Brandon Sandrowicz -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 15:34:17 2007 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:34:17 -0500 Subject: Why Eee? Message-ID: <1f13df280712190734j585f4fe7w909563d8b37debcc@mail.gmail.com> The latest Walmart flyer I received has an ad for an Acer laptop: 15.4" widescreen, 1 Gb RAM, 80 Gb HD and $398.88. I couldn't find it on their website. Processor and optical drive unstated, but I imagine it has both :-) . It comes with Windows Vista Home Basic. The point is, despite obvious(?) deficiencies (probably a Celeron processor - or AMD if you're lucky, but it must run at over 1 GHz) and a substantially greater weight, the price is the same as the Eee and the horsepower and screen are hugely better. I think the Eee, the OLPC, and the now defunct Classmate can take the credit for bringing us laptops this cheap, but I would prefer this Acer over one of them, even if I had to discard Vista and install Linux myself. If the Eee had hit their original target price of $200 we would have had a different battle - but they didn't. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 16:21:29 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:21:29 -0500 Subject: Why Eee? In-Reply-To: <1f13df280712190734j585f4fe7w909563d8b37debcc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280712190734j585f4fe7w909563d8b37debcc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071219162129.GI2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 10:34:17AM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > The latest Walmart flyer I received has an ad for an Acer laptop: > 15.4" widescreen, 1 Gb RAM, 80 Gb HD and $398.88. I couldn't find it > on their website. Processor and optical drive unstated, but I imagine > it has both :-) . It comes with Windows Vista Home Basic. The point > is, despite obvious(?) deficiencies (probably a Celeron processor - or > AMD if you're lucky, but it must run at over 1 GHz) and a > substantially greater weight, the price is the same as the Eee and the > horsepower and screen are hugely better. I think the Eee, the OLPC, > and the now defunct Classmate can take the credit for bringing us > laptops this cheap, but I would prefer this Acer over one of them, > even if I had to discard Vista and install Linux myself. If the Eee > had hit their original target price of $200 we would have had a > different battle - but they didn't. Well most likely the Eee has longer batery life, much faster boot time, is much more durable, and takes up a lot less space in a bag. At least I would expect so. As for the walmart thing, it appears it is an Acer AS5315 with a Celeron M 530 (can't quite find that for sure) and an intel 960GML chipset. Wireless is apparently atheros AR5007EG, which is not currently supported by linux. Apparently someone is working on adding support to the madwifi atheros HAL for it, but that could take a while, and my experience with the atheros HAL has not been anything I would want to do again, so I would consider it a laptop with no wifi at all if you are running linux. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 16:23:08 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:23:08 -0500 Subject: Why Eee? In-Reply-To: <1f13df280712190734j585f4fe7w909563d8b37debcc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280712190734j585f4fe7w909563d8b37debcc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4769456C.4010507@telly.org> Giles Orr wrote: > The latest Walmart flyer I received has an ad for an Acer laptop: > 15.4" widescreen, 1 Gb RAM, 80 Gb HD and $398.88. I couldn't find it > on their website. Processor and optical drive unstated, but I imagine > it has both :-) . It comes with Windows Vista Home Basic. The point > is, despite obvious(?) deficiencies (probably a Celeron processor - or > AMD if you're lucky, but it must run at over 1 GHz) and a > substantially greater weight, the price is the same as the Eee and the > horsepower and screen are hugely better. Weight counts. Portability counts. That's why laptops are on pace to outsell desktops in the next year or two. The lack of moving parts because of the SSD is an added bonus, leading to something that should run cooler and quieter. Added bonuses include small things such as faster bootup times. (And you wouldn't need all that horsepower if not for the bloat of Vista ;-) In any case, Asus has stated that they're working on an EeePC desktop. Let's see how that compares. There's also a rumour that the next generation EeePC will have an option of a larger screen; the price may not drop as volume increases, but features will certainly be added. - Evan PS: I don't know anyone who would voluntarily buy Acer. Their quality reputation is not good. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 16:37:15 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:37:15 -0500 Subject: Why Eee? In-Reply-To: <4769456C.4010507-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280712190734j585f4fe7w909563d8b37debcc@mail.gmail.com> <4769456C.4010507@telly.org> Message-ID: <20071219163715.GJ2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 11:23:08AM -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Weight counts. Portability counts. That's why laptops are on pace to > outsell desktops in the next year or two. The lack of moving parts > because of the SSD is an added bonus, leading to something that should > run cooler and quieter. Added bonuses include small things such as > faster bootup times. > > (And you wouldn't need all that horsepower if not for the bloat of Vista ;-) > > In any case, Asus has stated that they're working on an EeePC desktop. > Let's see how that compares. There's also a rumour that the next > generation EeePC will have an option of a larger screen; the price may > not drop as volume increases, but features will certainly be added. > > - Evan > > PS: I don't know anyone who would voluntarily buy Acer. Their quality > reputation is not good. That's true. Of course there are lots of deals to be had like: http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10093671&catid=25315&test%5Fcookie=1 As far as I can tell it actually has the intel 3945 wifi chipset (some toshibas use atheros though, and of course they won't tell you which ones that is), but if it is an intel wifi then it would actually appear to be quite linux compatible. Not sure what toshiba quality is like either. Of course any laptop with a 15.4" screen is simply huge and quite a pain for mobility it seems. My wife's tablet with a 13" screen is much much more portable and easier to deal with than her 15.4" laptop, and both are 1280x800. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 22:11:27 2007 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:11:27 -0500 Subject: Web hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071219221127.1F1C683833@sarg.ryerson.ca> How about Canadian hosts, with Ruby-on-Rails and shell access? Thanks ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 23:14:56 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:14:56 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 Message-ID: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> Here's a useful hint I picked up on the Gentoo mailing list. This is for those occasions when you get stuck in X, with X hogging the keyboard, and refusing to let you exit to textmode. With a bit of setup, you can use the big "Power" button (YES!!! the "ON/OFF" button) to force a jump to textmode tty1. Here are the steps... as root cd /usr/src/linux make menuconfig Power management options (ACPI, APM) ---> [*] Power Management support ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) Support [*] ACPI Support <*> Button Compile and re-boot into new kernel emerge acpi (That's for Gentoo; other distros use apt-get/yum/rpm/whatever) change the uncommented lines in /etc/acpi/events/default to read event=.* action=chvt 1 execute the two commands... /etc/init.d/acpid start (to start acpid now) rc-update add acpid default (to automatically start acpid at future bootups) Notes: - When testing, I suggest executing "sync" as a precaution, just before pressing the "big" power button. - PCs also have a smaller power button which is hard-wired to shutdown or re-boot. Do *NOT* press that button. - After editing /etc/acpi/events/default run the command /etc/init.d/acpid restart to force acpid to read in the new config It was scarey at first, pressing the power button. Just like the feeling I had a dozen years ago when I first pressed {CTL-ALT-DEL} in Windows95, not to reboot but to bring up the task manager. -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 23:51:26 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:51:26 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 In-Reply-To: <20071219231456.GB7517-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <32f6a8880712191551q6e906466kc5b47f013072a948@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I'll try that out sometime. I've had numerous times where I've had to reboot because my X hung :( On Dec 19, 2007 6:14 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > Here's a useful hint I picked up on the Gentoo mailing list. This is > for those occasions when you get stuck in X, with X hogging the > keyboard, and refusing to let you exit to textmode. With a bit of > setup, you can use the big "Power" button (YES!!! the "ON/OFF" button) > to force a jump to textmode tty1. Here are the steps... > > as root > cd /usr/src/linux > make menuconfig > Power management options (ACPI, APM) ---> > [*] Power Management support > ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) Support > [*] ACPI Support > <*> Button > > Compile and re-boot into new kernel > > emerge acpi > (That's for Gentoo; other distros use apt-get/yum/rpm/whatever) > > change the uncommented lines in /etc/acpi/events/default to read > event=.* > action=chvt 1 > > execute the two commands... > /etc/init.d/acpid start (to start acpid now) > rc-update add acpid default (to automatically start acpid at future bootups) > > Notes: > - When testing, I suggest executing "sync" as a precaution, just > before pressing the "big" power button. > > - PCs also have a smaller power button which is hard-wired to shutdown > or re-boot. Do *NOT* press that button. > > - After editing /etc/acpi/events/default run the command > /etc/init.d/acpid restart > to force acpid to read in the new config > > It was scarey at first, pressing the power button. Just like the > feeling I had a dozen years ago when I first pressed {CTL-ALT-DEL} in > Windows95, not to reboot but to bring up the task manager. > > -- > Walter Dnes > I'm not repeating myself > I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 23:52:27 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:52:27 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880712191551q6e906466kc5b47f013072a948-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> <32f6a8880712191551q6e906466kc5b47f013072a948@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880712191552p305f0fb5kc1132ac764acf4b1@mail.gmail.com> On a side note though: Aren't most systems if you press the power button the unix system automatically goes into shutdown mode? Doesn't that disable that portion? On Dec 19, 2007 6:51 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hey, > > I'll try that out sometime. I've had numerous times where I've had to > reboot because my X hung :( > > > > On Dec 19, 2007 6:14 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > Here's a useful hint I picked up on the Gentoo mailing list. This is > > for those occasions when you get stuck in X, with X hogging the > > keyboard, and refusing to let you exit to textmode. With a bit of > > setup, you can use the big "Power" button (YES!!! the "ON/OFF" button) > > to force a jump to textmode tty1. Here are the steps... > > > > as root > > cd /usr/src/linux > > make menuconfig > > Power management options (ACPI, APM) ---> > > [*] Power Management support > > ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) Support > > [*] ACPI Support > > <*> Button > > > > Compile and re-boot into new kernel > > > > emerge acpi > > (That's for Gentoo; other distros use apt-get/yum/rpm/whatever) > > > > change the uncommented lines in /etc/acpi/events/default to read > > event=.* > > action=chvt 1 > > > > execute the two commands... > > /etc/init.d/acpid start (to start acpid now) > > rc-update add acpid default (to automatically start acpid at future bootups) > > > > Notes: > > - When testing, I suggest executing "sync" as a precaution, just > > before pressing the "big" power button. > > > > - PCs also have a smaller power button which is hard-wired to shutdown > > or re-boot. Do *NOT* press that button. > > > > - After editing /etc/acpi/events/default run the command > > /etc/init.d/acpid restart > > to force acpid to read in the new config > > > > It was scarey at first, pressing the power button. Just like the > > feeling I had a dozen years ago when I first pressed {CTL-ALT-DEL} in > > Windows95, not to reboot but to bring up the task manager. > > > > -- > > Walter Dnes > > I'm not repeating myself > > I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 03:13:13 2007 From: andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Malcolmson) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:13:13 -0500 Subject: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) In-Reply-To: <47673922.0d39400a.6e2b.fffff2b6-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <47673922.0d39400a.6e2b.fffff2b6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1198120393.21747.1227517925@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:06:09 -0500, "Kareem Shehata" said: ... > I'm open to suggestions, > but I was thinking along the lines of php and mySQL since I'm already > running a bunch of apps on that platform. You may be beyond this now but is running PHP apps a reason to jump into developing in PHP? You really owe it to yourself to look at other languages. You're going to be spending a lot of time reading code so you'd better be sure the language you choose 'fits your brain' and your longer term interests. It's nice to get instant results like you can with PHP, but what language will you keep going with? You should at least read a few tutorials on Java, Python, and Ruby. All of these are well-designed general purpose languages. ------------------- Andrew Malcolmson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 06:22:04 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:22:04 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880712191551q6e906466kc5b47f013072a948-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> <32f6a8880712191551q6e906466kc5b47f013072a948@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <476A0A0C.4080400@utoronto.ca> Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hey, > > I'll try that out sometime. I've had numerous times where I've had to > reboot because my X hung :( And if X is hung, but you still have access to the keyboard Ctrl-Alt-Backspace kills the X server. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 06:24:25 2007 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:24:25 -0500 Subject: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) In-Reply-To: <1198120393.21747.1227517925-2RFepEojUI2N1INw9kWLP6GC3tUn3ZHUQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <47673922.0d39400a.6e2b.fffff2b6@mx.google.com> <1198120393.21747.1227517925@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <476A0A99.4000405@dinamis.com> Andrew Malcolmson wrote: > You should at least read a few tutorials on Java, Python, and Ruby. All > of these are well-designed general purpose languages. That has to be one of the more amusing language tutorials I have looked at. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 06:27:18 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:27:18 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 In-Reply-To: <20071219231456.GB7517-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <476A0B46.6060902@utoronto.ca> Walter Dnes wrote: > Here's a useful hint I picked up on the Gentoo mailing list. This is > for those occasions when you get stuck in X, with X hogging the > keyboard, and refusing to let you exit to textmode. With a bit of > setup, you can use the big "Power" button (YES!!! the "ON/OFF" button) > to force a jump to textmode tty1. Here are the steps... > ------------------------- snip -------------------------------------- Does holding the power button for 4 seconds force a shutdown in Linux? Will this hint change this? Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 06:31:58 2007 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:31:58 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 In-Reply-To: <476A0B46.6060902-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> <476A0B46.6060902@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <476A0C5E.5030501@utoronto.ca> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Walter Dnes wrote: >> Here's a useful hint I picked up on the Gentoo mailing list. This is >> for those occasions when you get stuck in X, with X hogging the >> keyboard, and refusing to let you exit to textmode. With a bit of >> setup, you can use the big "Power" button (YES!!! the "ON/OFF" button) >> to force a jump to textmode tty1. Here are the steps... > > ------------------------- snip -------------------------------------- > > > Does holding the power button for 4 seconds force a shutdown in Linux? > Will this hint change this? Let me rephrase my first sentence. Does holding the power button 4 seconds shut the computer off? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 13:12:31 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:12:31 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 In-Reply-To: <476A0C5E.5030501-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> <476A0B46.6060902@utoronto.ca> <476A0C5E.5030501@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <473c25250712200512v1d5bd0a3x2bb6c45b8a1645cf@mail.gmail.com> On 12/20/07, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > > Let me rephrase my first sentence. Does holding the power button 4 > seconds shut the computer off? Holding the power button for 4 seconds is a hardware thing not a software thing as far as I know. Pushing the powerbutton sends a signal for the software to interpret. Holding the powerbutton for 4 seconds is a hardware failsafe. In my experience that hold true on lots of devices, even inventory scanners (though they were running Windows CE or Windows Mobile or something). Previous to the current 'soft buttons' the power switch was an actual switch that cut the power and had an "on and off" position. That's why you had the "It Is Now Safe To Turn Off Your Computer" in Windows 9x. -- Brandon Sandrowicz -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 14:29:44 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:29:44 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 In-Reply-To: <473c25250712200512v1d5bd0a3x2bb6c45b8a1645cf-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> <476A0B46.6060902@utoronto.ca> <476A0C5E.5030501@utoronto.ca> <473c25250712200512v1d5bd0a3x2bb6c45b8a1645cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <476A7C58.7000904@telly.org> Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > Holding the power button for 4 seconds is a hardware thing not a > software thing as far as I know. Pushing the powerbutton sends a > signal for the software to interpret. Holding the powerbutton for 4 > seconds is a hardware failsafe. In my experience that hold true on > lots of devices, even inventory scanners (though they were running > Windows CE or Windows Mobile or something). > I believe that many current systems still have a "hardware" on/off switch, but it's on the power supply at the back of the PC. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 14:37:23 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:37:23 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 In-Reply-To: <476A7C58.7000904-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> <476A0B46.6060902@utoronto.ca> <476A0C5E.5030501@utoronto.ca> <473c25250712200512v1d5bd0a3x2bb6c45b8a1645cf@mail.gmail.com> <476A7C58.7000904@telly.org> Message-ID: <473c25250712200637p80dbd99i4e6dda7a689f90f9@mail.gmail.com> On 12/20/07, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > > Holding the power button for 4 seconds is a hardware thing not a > > software thing as far as I know. Pushing the powerbutton sends a > > signal for the software to interpret. Holding the powerbutton for 4 > > seconds is a hardware failsafe. In my experience that hold true on > > lots of devices, even inventory scanners (though they were running > > Windows CE or Windows Mobile or something). > > > I believe that many current systems still have a "hardware" on/off > switch, but it's on the power supply at the back of the PC. > > - Evan > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > It's been a long while since I've been buying computer parts, and at the time that I was, not all power supplies had a power switch on the back. Things may have changed. -- Brandon Sandrowicz -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 15:06:41 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:06:41 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 In-Reply-To: <20071219231456.GB7517-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20071220150641.GK2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 06:14:56PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > Here's a useful hint I picked up on the Gentoo mailing list. This is > for those occasions when you get stuck in X, with X hogging the > keyboard, and refusing to let you exit to textmode. With a bit of > setup, you can use the big "Power" button (YES!!! the "ON/OFF" button) > to force a jump to textmode tty1. Here are the steps... > > as root > cd /usr/src/linux > make menuconfig > Power management options (ACPI, APM) ---> > [*] Power Management support > ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) Support > [*] ACPI Support > <*> Button > > Compile and re-boot into new kernel > > emerge acpi > (That's for Gentoo; other distros use apt-get/yum/rpm/whatever) > > change the uncommented lines in /etc/acpi/events/default to read > event=.* > action=chvt 1 > > execute the two commands... > /etc/init.d/acpid start (to start acpid now) > rc-update add acpid default (to automatically start acpid at future bootups) > > Notes: > - When testing, I suggest executing "sync" as a precaution, just > before pressing the "big" power button. > > - PCs also have a smaller power button which is hard-wired to shutdown > or re-boot. Do *NOT* press that button. Ehm, no they have one power button and one reset button. The power button will normally on a modern system send an acpi event notifying the OS to shutdown and then poweroff, or if you hold it for 4 seconds it will force power off anyhow. The other button just resets the system with no notice to the OS and hence not allowing for a clean shutdown at all. On some systems you can change what the power button does in the BIOS, to make it shut off right away without notifying the OS, or a few other choices. > - After editing /etc/acpi/events/default run the command > /etc/init.d/acpid restart > to force acpid to read in the new config > > It was scarey at first, pressing the power button. Just like the > feeling I had a dozen years ago when I first pressed {CTL-ALT-DEL} in > Windows95, not to reboot but to bring up the task manager. acpi buttons can be made to do whatever you want. laptops have multiple buttons (lid switch, sleep buttons, etc) that you can have lots of fun with. Desktops often only have the power button, although a few have a sleep button too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 15:07:55 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:07:55 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880712191552p305f0fb5kc1132ac764acf4b1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> <32f6a8880712191551q6e906466kc5b47f013072a948@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880712191552p305f0fb5kc1132ac764acf4b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071220150755.GL2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 06:52:27PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > On a side note though: > > Aren't most systems if you press the power button the unix system > automatically goes into shutdown mode? > > Doesn't that disable that portion? That should be the default behaviour of an acpi enabled system. acpi doesn't work right on a lot of machines though due to bios bugs, so you never know without testing it. In this case, it certainly would disable that feature. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 16:18:42 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:18:42 -0500 Subject: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) In-Reply-To: <1198120393.21747.1227517925-2RFepEojUI2N1INw9kWLP6GC3tUn3ZHUQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <47673922.0d39400a.6e2b.fffff2b6@mx.google.com> <1198120393.21747.1227517925@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20071220161842.GM2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 10:13:13PM -0500, Andrew Malcolmson wrote: > You may be beyond this now but is running PHP apps a reason to jump into > developing in PHP? > > You really owe it to yourself to look at other languages. You're going > to be spending a lot of time reading code so you'd better be sure the > language you choose 'fits your brain' and your longer term interests. > It's nice to get instant results like you can with PHP, but what > language will you keep going with? > > You should at least read a few tutorials on Java, Python, and Ruby. All > of these are well-designed general purpose languages. Well PHP certainly is great for web pages, and certainly can be used for other things too although I haven't done so myself. python looks very nice. I have never looked at ruby since it has never had any features that made me consider it worth looking at. Java I know not to look at, as I don't need to know another broken crappy language (just like c++, only more so). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 16:22:19 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:22:19 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 In-Reply-To: <476A0A0C.4080400-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> <32f6a8880712191551q6e906466kc5b47f013072a948@mail.gmail.com> <476A0A0C.4080400@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20071220162219.GN2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 01:22:04AM -0500, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > And if X is hung, but you still have access to the keyboard > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace kills the X server. Assuming X isn't that hung. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 16:23:03 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:23:03 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 In-Reply-To: <476A0B46.6060902-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> <476A0B46.6060902@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20071220162303.GO2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 01:27:18AM -0500, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Does holding the power button for 4 seconds force a shutdown in Linux? > Will this hint change this? Holding for 4 seconds forced a power off, not a shutdown. Nothing generally changes that, although I have seen BIOSes allow you to change what holding for 4 seconds does. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 16:24:21 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:24:21 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 In-Reply-To: <476A7C58.7000904-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> <476A0B46.6060902@utoronto.ca> <476A0C5E.5030501@utoronto.ca> <473c25250712200512v1d5bd0a3x2bb6c45b8a1645cf@mail.gmail.com> <476A7C58.7000904@telly.org> Message-ID: <20071220162421.GP2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 09:29:44AM -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I believe that many current systems still have a "hardware" on/off > switch, but it's on the power supply at the back of the PC. Many power supplies don't have that. That does have the advantage of shutting down standby power as well, so that it is safe to change hardware in the computer. Unplugging works too of course. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 23:57:37 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:57:37 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 In-Reply-To: <476A7C58.7000904-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> <476A0B46.6060902@utoronto.ca> <476A0C5E.5030501@utoronto.ca> <473c25250712200512v1d5bd0a3x2bb6c45b8a1645cf@mail.gmail.com> <476A7C58.7000904@telly.org> Message-ID: <20071220235737.GA12990@waltdnes.org> On Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 09:29:44AM -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote > I believe that many current systems still have a "hardware" on/off > switch, but it's on the power supply at the back of the PC. Evan and Ivan, every X86 PC I've seen in recent years has had both... - a large "soft-wired" (ACPI-controlable) poweroff button, and - a small hard-wired poweroff button Only the "soft-wired" button is usable for my hint. -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 21 01:54:18 2007 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:54:18 -0500 Subject: BASH question In-Reply-To: <473c25250712180411x4f6d5ca5i3f1e3481359c84f9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <20071215012022.GA7059@node1.opengeometry.net> <60859.64.229.146.163.1197690772.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <20071215020247.1d46750c@david.chipman> <4763C170.90105@alteeve.com> <20071216014112.GA1900@waltdnes.org> <473c25250712171054s4a980161m53ce5294f7c073c9@mail.gmail.com> <20071218013203.GA6930@node1.opengeometry.net> <473c25250712180411x4f6d5ca5i3f1e3481359c84f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071221015418.GA9119@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 07:11:59AM -0500, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > > That's because commands in a pipe are executed in subshells (ie. > > separate processes). So, any change to childs' environments will > > not propagate up to the parent. > ... > That just seems odd that you would have to output to a file, then read > that file to STDIN just ot get it to work. I thought that was the > point of pipes, so that you *didn't* have to do that. On the other > hand, it makes sense that commands in a pipe are executed in subshells > too. I guess it's just a design decision. :-\ > > What would be the proper way to use the pipe? Use `export` on the > array? Or is it just impossible to use piped commands to build an > array in shell scripting? Try using input/output redirectors with process substitution. Eg. while ...; do ... done < <(ls -l) -- William Park , Toronto, Canada BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 21 02:50:20 2007 From: andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Malcolmson) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:50:20 -0500 Subject: Can't connect to local webserver Message-ID: <1198205420.18577.1227697597@webmail.messagingengine.com> I'm testing a Python-based webserver that serves a Hello World type application on port 8080. If I connect to http://127.0.0.1:8080 with a browser I get it. If I connect to http://:8080, I get 'server not responding'. I have no firewall running, and I've tried this on Debian Etch and Gentoo. ------------------- Andrew Malcolmson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 21 02:58:37 2007 From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:58:37 -0500 Subject: Can't connect to local webserver In-Reply-To: <1198205420.18577.1227697597-2RFepEojUI2N1INw9kWLP6GC3tUn3ZHUQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <1198205420.18577.1227697597@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: I'm curious to which IP the server is bound to. If it's only localhost then that would be a problem Cheers, Randy On Dec 20, 2007 9:50 PM, Andrew Malcolmson wrote: > I'm testing a Python-based webserver that serves a Hello World type > application on port 8080. > > If I connect to http://127.0.0.1:8080 with a browser I get it. If I > connect to http://:8080, I get 'server not responding'. > > I have no firewall running, and I've tried this on Debian Etch and > Gentoo. > ------------------- > Andrew Malcolmson > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Oscar Developer McMaster University 75 Frid Street, Hamilton, ON 905 525 9140 x27735 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 21 03:00:49 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:00:49 -0500 Subject: Can't connect to local webserver In-Reply-To: <1198205420.18577.1227697597-2RFepEojUI2N1INw9kWLP6GC3tUn3ZHUQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <1198205420.18577.1227697597@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <200712202200.55121.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On December 20, 2007 09:50:20 pm Andrew Malcolmson wrote: > I'm testing a Python-based webserver that serves a Hello World type > application on port 8080. > > If I connect to http://127.0.0.1:8080 with a browser I get it. If I > connect to http://:8080, I get 'server not responding'. > > I have no firewall running, and I've tried this on Debian Etch and > Gentoo. What is the webserver you're using? With Apache you have to specify the IP address (and ports) upon which to listen, I'd assume the same is true for the software you're testing? What's wrong with Apache/Lighttpd/nGinx to serve your code? Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 21 03:27:00 2007 From: andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Malcolmson) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:27:00 -0500 Subject: [TLUG] Can't connect to local webserver In-Reply-To: References: <1198205420.18577.1227697597@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1198207620.24395.1227702597@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:58:37 -0500, "Randy Jonasz" said: > I'm curious to which IP the server is bound to. If it's only localhost > then > that would be a problem That was the problem. I looked in the docs for the library I'm using (Paste). The server binds by default to '127.0.0.1', not a public address. Thanks for the pointer. ------------------- Andrew Malcolmson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 21 14:45:36 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:45:36 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 In-Reply-To: <20071220235737.GA12990-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> <476A0B46.6060902@utoronto.ca> <476A0C5E.5030501@utoronto.ca> <473c25250712200512v1d5bd0a3x2bb6c45b8a1645cf@mail.gmail.com> <476A7C58.7000904@telly.org> <20071220235737.GA12990@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20071221144536.GQ2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 06:57:37PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > Evan and Ivan, every X86 PC I've seen in recent years has had both... > - a large "soft-wired" (ACPI-controlable) poweroff button, and > - a small hard-wired poweroff button Do you mean the power button on the back of the power supply that some systems have? > Only the "soft-wired" button is usable for my hint. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 21 16:00:05 2007 From: hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Henry de Valence) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:00:05 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 In-Reply-To: <20071219231456.GB7517-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <200712211100.05434.hdevalence@gmail.com> On December 19, 2007 06:14:56 pm Walter Dnes wrote: > Here's a useful hint I picked up on the Gentoo mailing list. This is > for those occasions when you get stuck in X, with X hogging the > keyboard, and refusing to let you exit to textmode. With a bit of > setup, you can use the big "Power" button (YES!!! the "ON/OFF" button) > to force a jump to textmode tty1. Here are the steps... > > as root > cd /usr/src/linux > make menuconfig > Power management options (ACPI, APM) ---> > [*] Power Management support > ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) Support > [*] ACPI Support > <*> Button > > Compile and re-boot into new kernel Is it possible to do this without recompiling your kernel? > > emerge acpi > (That's for Gentoo; other distros use apt-get/yum/rpm/whatever) > > change the uncommented lines in /etc/acpi/events/default to read > event=.* > action=chvt 1 Where can I find info on the different options for this file? -- Harry de Valence -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 21 16:14:02 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:14:02 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 In-Reply-To: <200712211100.05434.hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> <200712211100.05434.hdevalence@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071221161402.GR2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 11:00:05AM -0500, Henry de Valence wrote: > Is it possible to do this without recompiling your kernel? Sure, if your kernel already has acpi button support enabled, or as a module (in which case load the module). Many distributions already do this, since for laptops and such it is pretty much required. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 21 17:15:24 2007 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:15:24 -0500 Subject: BASH question In-Reply-To: <20071221015418.GA9119-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <60629.64.229.182.135.1197675623.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <20071215012022.GA7059@node1.opengeometry.net> <60859.64.229.146.163.1197690772.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <20071215020247.1d46750c@david.chipman> <4763C170.90105@alteeve.com> <20071216014112.GA1900@waltdnes.org> <473c25250712171054s4a980161m53ce5294f7c073c9@mail.gmail.com> <20071218013203.GA6930@node1.opengeometry.net> <473c25250712180411x4f6d5ca5i3f1e3481359c84f9@mail.gmail.com> <20071221015418.GA9119@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20071221171525.21B5083833@sarg.ryerson.ca> I wasn't aware of this new-fangled syntax: while ...; do ... done < <(ls -l) but it does appear to work. If you want something that works with older shells, you can do something like: ls -l | ( while ...; do x=... done ... $x ... ) where everything in the () runs in a separate shell with stdin set to the pipe. ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 21 17:23:12 2007 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:23:12 -0500 Subject: BASH question In-Reply-To: <20071221171525.21B5083833-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20071215012022.GA7059@node1.opengeometry.net> <60859.64.229.146.163.1197690772.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <20071215020247.1d46750c@david.chipman> <4763C170.90105@alteeve.com> <20071216014112.GA1900@waltdnes.org> <473c25250712171054s4a980161m53ce5294f7c073c9@mail.gmail.com> <20071218013203.GA6930@node1.opengeometry.net> <473c25250712180411x4f6d5ca5i3f1e3481359c84f9@mail.gmail.com> <20071221015418.GA9119@node1.opengeometry.net> <20071221171525.21B5083833@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20071221172312.GS2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 12:15:24PM -0500, Dave Mason wrote: > I wasn't aware of this new-fangled syntax: > > while ...; do > ... > done < <(ls -l) > > but it does appear to work. If you want something that works with older > shells, you can do something like: > > ls -l | ( > while ...; do > x=... > done > ... $x ... > ) > > where everything in the () runs in a separate shell with stdin set to > the pipe. Of course since that one is a subshell, any variable you set in that loop, won't be available to the main script. Can't you just do: ls -l | while ...; do x=... done ... $x ... Does it need a subshell? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From pmaddocks-9U2EIkBaTy57jpW2VZu3qypHNdL/HXVq at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 21 22:08:21 2007 From: pmaddocks-9U2EIkBaTy57jpW2VZu3qypHNdL/HXVq at public.gmane.org (pmaddocks-9U2EIkBaTy57jpW2VZu3qypHNdL/HXVq at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:08:21 -0500 Subject: Philip Maddocks/CORP/BROOKFIELD is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 21/12/2007 and will not return until 31/12/2007. I will respond to your message when I return. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 22 04:00:57 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:00:57 -0500 Subject: Emergency exit from X to tty1 In-Reply-To: <20071221144536.GQ2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20071219231456.GB7517@waltdnes.org> <476A0B46.6060902@utoronto.ca> <476A0C5E.5030501@utoronto.ca> <473c25250712200512v1d5bd0a3x2bb6c45b8a1645cf@mail.gmail.com> <476A7C58.7000904@telly.org> <20071220235737.GA12990@waltdnes.org> <20071221144536.GQ2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20071222040057.GA8290@waltdnes.org> On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 09:45:36AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote > On Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 06:57:37PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > > Evan and Ivan, every X86 PC I've seen in recent years has had both... > > - a large "soft-wired" (ACPI-controlable) poweroff button, and > > - a small hard-wired poweroff button > > Do you mean the power button on the back of the power supply that some > systems have? No, not at the back. If you count the (usually) black rocker switch, that makes it 3. On the *FRONT* of your PC, you should see 2 buttons. The large one is the soft shutdown, controllable by ACPI. The other (hardware reset) one is deliberately small, so that you don't accidently click it when looking for the other button. -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 22 05:32:38 2007 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:32:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: more bash! regex substitution to crop trailing whitespacesy In-Reply-To: <476824D0.6070301-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <476824D0.6070301@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, Madison Kelly wrote: > I am almost done this darn bash script of mine (insane as it is), but I've > got one hurdle I can't seem to get over... It *should* be the last hurdle for > me to finish this things and start the long process of regaining some sanity. > > I read in key=value pairs from a file, which is easy enough. I can cut off > preceeding white spaces just fine with: ... > But I can't get trailing spaces cut off. The '(.*)(\s+)' pattern doesn't > match because it's greedy and matches to the end of the string. This: This shell function removes leading and trailing spaces (or other character if given as the second argument): _trim () { _TRIM=$1 trim_string=${_TRIM%%[!${2:- }]*} _TRIM=${_TRIM#"$trim_string"} trim_string=${_TRIM##*[!${2:- }]} _TRIM=${_TRIM%"$trim_string"} } var=" qwerty " _trim "$var" var=$_TRIM printf ":%s:\n" "$var" var="......uiop...." _trim "$var" . var=$_TRIM printf ":%s:\n" "$var" -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 22 13:30:44 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: OT: Short time apartment or room in Toronto, *nix friendly ? References: <3a97ef0712061932j77a40ef8iec466fe86146a5e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Tyler Aviss writes: > maybe some more specifics on what you're looking for would help? Thanks for answering and sorry for taking so long to get back to you. I am looking for a furnished room, short term (max 3 months) in Toronto. I will likely not be driving a car during this time so parking is moot. I also do not plan to live in a palace. $650 for a simple furnished room looks a bit steep from here but we'll see. The time frame implies arrival in January-February. By unix friendly I mean someone who will not call the cops and/or evict me when/if something other than windows is plugged into the wlan or ethernet or if I ask terrorist/spy questions like 'do you do port forwarding' from the man of the house(or man of the router?). I do not plan to download big files or anything. After reading a few articles about people 'getting caught' using free wlan in the states I have decided to add this requirement. Asking does not hurt. About being old, my mistake. I should have said that I am 40 years young. Also that I wish I had today's brains and life experience when I was 20. thanks to all who responded, I'll be back about this, Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 22 19:07:17 2007 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:07:17 -0500 Subject: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) In-Reply-To: <1198120393.21747.1227517925-2RFepEojUI2N1INw9kWLP6GC3tUn3ZHUQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <1198120393.21747.1227517925@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <476d607a.0f39400a.572a.fffff886@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf > Of Andrew Malcolmson > Sent: Wednesday 19 December 2007 22:13 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) > > > On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:06:09 -0500, "Kareem Shehata" > said: > ... > > I'm open to suggestions, > > but I was thinking along the lines of php and mySQL since > I'm already > > running a bunch of apps on that platform. > > You may be beyond this now but is running PHP apps a reason > to jump into developing in PHP? > > You really owe it to yourself to look at other languages. > You're going to be spending a lot of time reading code so > you'd better be sure the language you choose 'fits your > brain' and your longer term interests. > It's nice to get instant results like you can with PHP, but > what language will you keep going with? > > You should at least read a few tutorials on Java, Python, and > Ruby. All of these are well-designed general purpose languages. That's a really good point, and I have to admit that I haven't considered this question as much as I probably should. I'd been trying to plan for the next project without really having gotten into the details enough. That said, how do you evaluate these options? I know what this project will eventually do: take in a bunch of operational data and spit out nicely formatted reports. The DB end to is I know pretty well, it's the makings of the front end that the customers are eventually going to be using daily that I know nothing about (or very little, writing simple HTML isn't that hard). Is there a particular language that's better supported for doing reporting and web interfaces? Thanks, -kms -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 22 20:10:03 2007 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:10:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Why Eee? In-Reply-To: <20071219162129.GI2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280712190734j585f4fe7w909563d8b37debcc@mail.gmail.com> <20071219162129.GI2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | Wireless is apparently atheros AR5007EG, which is not currently | supported by linux. Apparently someone is working on adding support to | the madwifi atheros HAL for it, but that could take a while, and my | experience with the atheros HAL has not been anything I would want to do | again, so I would consider it a laptop with no wifi at all if you are | running linux. HAL is not open source. As far as I know, only Sam Leffler can fix it. He doesn't seem to do that very much. OpenHAL is a replacement that is intended to be a an open source replacement. Perhaps that is what you are thinking of. One alternative is ndiswrapper. Not great, but it works in many cases. Warning: this approach probably will not work with Fedora because the kernel stack size limitations. http://lwn.net/Articles/160138/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 22 20:33:05 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:33:05 -0500 Subject: Any simple menuing dialogs callable from scripts? Message-ID: <20071222203305.GA21460@waltdnes.org> Are there any simple menuing dialogs that are callable from scripts, without gaving to resort to C programming? -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 22 21:12:12 2007 From: sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Steve Harvey) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:12:12 -0500 Subject: Any simple menuing dialogs callable from scripts? In-Reply-To: <20071222203305.GA21460-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20071222203305.GA21460@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20071222211212.GB19150@shell.vex.net> On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 03:33:05PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > Are there any simple menuing dialogs that are callable from scripts, > without gaving to resort to C programming? > If you happen to be running GNOME, zenity may be useful. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 22 22:12:03 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:12:03 -0500 Subject: Why Eee? In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df280712190734j585f4fe7w909563d8b37debcc@mail.gmail.com> <20071219162129.GI2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <32f6a8880712221412h2ec2f42ct24dd73d287f40457@mail.gmail.com> Well with EEE ndiswrapper works with Ubuntu. :) ...I got it working and surprising wasn't too hard. On Dec 22, 2007 3:10 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Lennart Sorensen > > | Wireless is apparently atheros AR5007EG, which is not currently > | supported by linux. Apparently someone is working on adding support to > | the madwifi atheros HAL for it, but that could take a while, and my > | experience with the atheros HAL has not been anything I would want to do > | again, so I would consider it a laptop with no wifi at all if you are > | running linux. > > HAL is not open source. As far as I know, only Sam Leffler can fix > it. He doesn't seem to do that very much. > > OpenHAL is a replacement that is intended to be a an open source > replacement. Perhaps that is what you are thinking of. > > One alternative is ndiswrapper. Not great, but it works in many > cases. Warning: this approach probably will not work with Fedora > because the kernel stack size limitations. > http://lwn.net/Articles/160138/ > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 23 02:54:56 2007 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:54:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Any simple menuing dialogs callable from scripts?y In-Reply-To: <20071222203305.GA21460-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20071222203305.GA21460@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, Walter Dnes wrote: > Are there any simple menuing dialogs that are callable from scripts, > without gaving to resort to C programming? dialog, Xdialog, zenity, etc.. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 23 12:19:25 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:19:25 -0500 Subject: Why Eee? In-Reply-To: <20071219162129.GI2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280712190734j585f4fe7w909563d8b37debcc@mail.gmail.com> <20071219162129.GI2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <473c25250712230419s4fa010bdw3c91a1fcf6bffdad@mail.gmail.com> On 12/19/07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > As for the walmart thing, it appears it is an Acer AS5315 with a Celeron > M 530 (can't quite find that for sure) and an intel 960GML chipset. > Wireless is apparently atheros AR5007EG, which is not currently > supported by linux. Apparently someone is working on adding support to > the madwifi atheros HAL for it, but that could take a while, and my > experience with the atheros HAL has not been anything I would want to do > again, so I would consider it a laptop with no wifi at all if you are > running linux. > So far as I understand it a lot of Atheros chips are supported very well. To the point that you can even run wireless attack tools on them (passive scanning, packet injection, etc). And I've heard second-hand reports that the Atheros chips are able to get better reception than the Intel chips. So far as I know Atheros and Intel are the only well-supported wireless chips on Linux (I'm discounting older 802.11b-only chips like the orinoco chips here). The alternative would be a broadcom chip (like Apple just did when they released the latest update to the MacBook... used to have an Atheros chip, now it's a broadcom with the only support being through ndiswrapper) -- Brandon Sandrowicz -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 23 12:42:05 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:42:05 -0500 Subject: Leaning web development (php, mySQL, AJAX...) In-Reply-To: <476d607a.0f39400a.572a.fffff886-ATjtLOhZ0NVl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <1198120393.21747.1227517925@webmail.messagingengine.com> <476d607a.0f39400a.572a.fffff886@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <473c25250712230442n32df917dyacf6dd52af66851a@mail.gmail.com> On 12/22/07, Kareem Shehata wrote: > > You should at least read a few tutorials on Java, Python, and > > Ruby. All of these are well-designed general purpose languages. > > That's a really good point, and I have to admit that I haven't considered > this question as much as I probably should. I'd been trying to plan for the > next project without really having gotten into the details enough. > > That said, how do you evaluate these options? I know what this project will > eventually do: take in a bunch of operational data and spit out nicely > formatted reports. The DB end to is I know pretty well, it's the makings of > the front end that the customers are eventually going to be using daily that > I know nothing about (or very little, writing simple HTML isn't that hard). > Is there a particular language that's better supported for doing reporting > and web interfaces? > > Thanks, > > -kms > Well, Java & Ruby are both 100% Object-Oriented (IIRC), if that matters one way or the other for you. Python has both classes and can be procedural more like C++ (same w/ PHP). PHP has everything bundled together so that you have huge function names like mysql_open_connection_then_do_something(). In Python, Ruby, and Java you have importable modules so that not everything is in the same namespace. Example (python): import pysqlite3 or from pysqlite3 import FunctionName In the first example, you would call pysqlite3.FunctionName() to access the function, and in the second example you would be able to just call FunctionName(). The point is that you have a choice to import something directly into the namespace or keep it separate. In PHP, nosomuch. You could evaluate each of the languages according to what tools there are in each language. If you think you want to use Drupal or CakePHP, go with PHP for example. Or Ruby for Ruby on Rails. Or Python for CherryPy or Django. ( I don't know any examples in Java). Personally I would stay away for Java when it comes to web-programming. There are a lot of large companies that use it, but if you just plan to do this stuff in your free time it will be easier to find a host that supports Apache+Ruby/Python/PHP than Tomcat+JSP. JSP as a web programming language is either for people that already know Java (or need the web app to access something that already has a Java interface) or as a job skill to work for larger corporations. -- Brandon Sandrowicz -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 23 16:49:35 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:49:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Phisher of the Week Message-ID: <1091.99.232.68.237.1198428575.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> ...SECONDLY WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT YOU ARE STILL DEALING WITH THE NONE OFFICIALS OF THE LOTTERY ORGANIZATION... -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 24 03:08:10 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:08:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: santa.sh Message-ID: #!/bin/sh better !pout !cry better watchout lpr why santa claus < north pole > town cat /etc/passwd > list ncheck list ncheck list cat list | grep naughty > nogiftlist cat list | grem nice > giftlist santa clause < north pole > town who | grep sleeping who | grep awake who | grep bad || good for (goodness sake) { be good } -- anon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 24 07:14:49 2007 From: gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (George Nicol) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:14:49 -0500 Subject: santa.sh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <476F5C69.80606@primus.ca> Robert Brockway wrote: > #!/bin/sh > better !pout !cry > better watchout > lpr why > santa claus < north pole > town > cat /etc/passwd > list > ncheck list > ncheck list > cat list | grep naughty > nogiftlist > cat list | grem nice > giftlist ^ p > santa clause < north pole > town ^ oops > who | grep sleeping > who | grep awake > who | grep bad || good > for (goodness sake) { > be good > } > -- anon HO HO HO ... Thanks, Rob! SEASON'S GREETINGS EVERYBODY ( # Madi: can you hear the code sing? ) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 23 11:27:44 2007 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 06:27:44 -0500 Subject: Any simple menuing dialogs callable from scripts? In-Reply-To: <20071222203305.GA21460-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20071222203305.GA21460@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <200712230627.45832.icanprogram@295.ca> On Saturday 22 December 2007 03:33 pm, Walter Dnes wrote: > Are there any simple menuing dialogs that are callable from scripts, > without gaving to resort to C programming? Not sure what you are after, but the Tcl/Tk scripting language may be what you want. I have an online tutorial at: http://www.icanprogram.com/09tk/main.html bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jvetterli-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 24 16:32:33 2007 From: jvetterli-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:32:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: santa.sh In-Reply-To: <476F5C69.80606-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <476F5C69.80606@primus.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Dec 2007, George Nicol wrote: > Robert Brockway wrote: >> santa clause < north pole > town > ^ > oops As long as we're nitpicking, I think some quotes are needed: "santa claus" < "north pole" > town Happy Holidays! JV -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 24 17:32:27 2007 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:32:27 -0500 Subject: Happy Holidays! Message-ID: <476FED2B.6050801@telly.org> Still compilable after 18 years: http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/91q4/flopbl.html Hope your holidays are happy and the family visits are tolerable! - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 24 17:36:18 2007 From: hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Henry de Valence) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:36:18 -0500 Subject: santa.sh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200712241236.18507.hdevalence@gmail.com> On December 23, 2007 10:08:10 pm Robert Brockway wrote: > cat /etc/passwd > list Wouldn't it be better to do " cat /etc/passwd | cut -d':' -f1 > list "? -- Harry de Valence -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 24 18:31:36 2007 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:31:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: santa.sh In-Reply-To: <200712241236.18507.hdevalence-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200712241236.18507.hdevalence@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Dec 2007, Henry de Valence wrote: > On December 23, 2007 10:08:10 pm Robert Brockway wrote: >> cat /etc/passwd > list > Wouldn't it be better to do " cat /etc/passwd | cut -d':' -f1 > list "? No, there is no need for cat: cut -d':' -f1 /etc/passwd > list Or possibly: cut -d':' -f5 /etc/passwd > list -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 24 20:34:55 2007 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:34:55 -0500 Subject: eee problems any suggestions Message-ID: <32f6a8880712241234s3e859280qc4acb3f35dd19acf@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys, Because the EEE screen is so small its hard to configure things because the setup pages go past the screen even at proper resolution. Any suggestions on how to enable scrolling on the setup screens, ive had to use the montior to set most things up and then once its setup its cruising. Some applications ive had difficulties is kopete,pidgin,amsn,xine I'm currently in ubuntu. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 24 22:04:14 2007 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:04:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: santa.sh In-Reply-To: <476F5C69.80606-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <476F5C69.80606@primus.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Dec 2007, George Nicol wrote: >> cat /etc/passwd > list >> ncheck list >> ncheck list >> cat list | grep naughty > nogiftlist >> cat list | grem nice > giftlist > ^ > p Wow, that typo has been there for about 12 years and I never noticed - well spotted :) >> santa clause < north pole > town > ^ > oops Hmm.. you're right - better fix that one too :) Cheers, Rob -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine..." -- RFC 1925 "The Twelve Networking Truths" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 25 01:09:38 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:09:38 -0500 Subject: All I want for x-mas is :: no more sound card is in use errors! Message-ID: <20071224200938.2f89a027.tleslie@tcn.net> It am almost getting to the point where I can't find any issue with new shiny Gutsy install. It dual monitors great with Nvidia card, plays just about any multimedia I throw at it (well except a bluray i tried, sound got out of sync pretty bad), etc,etc. One problem I have, and have had in the past with other distro's is that some process will be using the sound card in a way that other processes get blocked. I know at times in the past I was able to have flash (in browser) share with amarok, etc, but there is always some combination that doesn't work. In Gutsy, I have had no better luck. Does anyone have a linux configured that can have a flash plugin, music player, real player, and especially vmware (and the virtual OS in the vmware using sound) all co-existing happily? All technically playing at once, as bad as it might sound. Or is this not possible? The exact case in point is, the firefox flash plugin seems to grab and keep the sound card, even when nothing is playing, i'd like to listen to a podcast on amarok, listen to the odd wmv voice file in my email (company does VM this way) and then get sound from another linux (or rarely a windows image) in vmware - doing all this, without having to selectively shutdown certain apps. Keep in mind that N number of things might "have" the sound card, but only one is actually producing audio at a time (or perhaps a slight over lap, i.e. listening to podcast, and hearing a v-mail) the rest might be in a 0-volume or pause state, etc. and I just don't want to have to shut stuff off just so one thing can get its turn to produce sound. I am hoping there is some sound/audio driver that can do this. Here's hoping someone delivers this x-mas wish to me! I don't recall getting this in MS windows, but it been so long I am not sure, and as of 1-2 years ago, don't recall getting this on my MacOSX either, but maybe I never tried to much multiplexing, and I certainly never had the VMWARE part in the mix on these. Right now I am just using stock ubuntu gutsy's default sound drivers (and setup). For sure I know that mplayer and vmware don't play nice together, and flash plugin and vmware (and amarok) don't play nice together, plus I am sure there are many more combinations. I hear all this talk about this new sound driver (server?) in the new Fedora, and its in Ubuntu Heron (beta), and I am wondering perhaps if that address this issue? Merry x-mas and a Happy New Year to all! -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 25 01:19:27 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:19:27 -0500 Subject: All I want for x-mas is :: no more sound card is in use errors! In-Reply-To: <20071224200938.2f89a027.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20071224200938.2f89a027.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <200712242019.31066.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On December 24, 2007 20:09:38 ted leslie wrote: > It am almost getting to the point where I can't find any issue with > new shiny Gutsy install. It dual monitors great with Nvidia card, > plays just about any multimedia I throw at it (well except a bluray i > tried, sound got out of sync pretty bad), etc,etc. > > One problem I have, and have had in the past with other distro's is > that some process will be using the sound card in a way that other > processes get blocked. > I know at times in the past I was able to have flash (in browser) > share with amarok, etc, but there is always some combination that > doesn't work. > In Gutsy, I have had no better luck. > > Does anyone have a linux configured that > can have a flash plugin, music player, real player, and especially > vmware (and the virtual OS in the vmware using sound) all co-existing > happily? All technically playing at once, as bad as it might sound. > Or is this not possible? > The exact case in point is, the firefox flash plugin seems to grab > and keep the sound card, even when nothing is playing, i'd like to > listen to a podcast on amarok, listen to the odd wmv voice file in my > email (company does VM this way) and then get sound from another > linux (or rarely a windows image) in vmware - > doing all this, without having to selectively shutdown certain apps. > Keep in mind that N number of things might "have" the sound card, > but only one is actually producing audio at a time (or perhaps a > slight over lap, i.e. listening to podcast, and hearing a v-mail) the > rest might be in a 0-volume or pause state, etc. and I just don't > want to have to shut stuff off just so one thing can get its turn to > produce sound. > > I am hoping there is some sound/audio driver that can do this. > > Here's hoping someone delivers this x-mas wish to me! > > I don't recall getting this in MS windows, but it been so long I am > not sure, and as of 1-2 years ago, don't recall getting this on my > MacOSX either, but maybe I never tried to much multiplexing, and I > certainly never had the VMWARE part in the mix on these. > > Right now I am just using stock ubuntu gutsy's default sound drivers > (and setup). For sure I know that mplayer and vmware don't play nice > together, and flash plugin and vmware (and amarok) don't play nice > together, plus I am sure there are many more combinations. > > I hear all this talk about this new sound driver (server?) in the new > Fedora, and its in Ubuntu Heron (beta), and I am wondering perhaps if > that address this issue? > > Merry x-mas and a Happy New Year to all! Pulseaudio is causing no small amount of trouble on any Fedora machine I've used so far. There is a regression in Fedora 8 where Intel ICH7 chips (the snd-hda-intel kernel module) completely breaks and nothing puts out any sound. No fix as of yet. I tend to roll my own kernels, which isn't so bad once you have a good baseline .config for your particular hardware setup. I always ensure that the OSS portion of the sound section is entirely excluded, not built as a module or statically--nothing. I haven't run into problems like those you describe since making sure I don't compile OSS (it's deprecated anyways) and I have Vmware, Flash, Amarok, Kaffeine all going at the same time without any problems. Do you have enough ram on the system? Have you tried installing one of the realtime kernel's from Ubuntu? Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 25 01:31:58 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:31:58 -0500 Subject: All I want for x-mas is :: no more sound card is in use errors! In-Reply-To: <200712242019.31066.jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20071224200938.2f89a027.tleslie@tcn.net> <200712242019.31066.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20071224203158.03a06aa3.tleslie@tcn.net> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:19:27 -0500 Jamon Camisso wrote: > On December 24, 2007 20:09:38 ted leslie wrote: > > It am almost getting to the point where I can't find any issue with > > new shiny Gutsy install. It dual monitors great with Nvidia card, > > plays just about any multimedia I throw at it (well except a bluray i > > tried, sound got out of sync pretty bad), etc,etc. > > > > One problem I have, and have had in the past with other distro's is > > that some process will be using the sound card in a way that other > > processes get blocked. > > I know at times in the past I was able to have flash (in browser) > > share with amarok, etc, but there is always some combination that > > doesn't work. > > In Gutsy, I have had no better luck. > > > > Does anyone have a linux configured that > > can have a flash plugin, music player, real player, and especially > > vmware (and the virtual OS in the vmware using sound) all co-existing > > happily? All technically playing at once, as bad as it might sound. > > Or is this not possible? > > The exact case in point is, the firefox flash plugin seems to grab > > and keep the sound card, even when nothing is playing, i'd like to > > listen to a podcast on amarok, listen to the odd wmv voice file in my > > email (company does VM this way) and then get sound from another > > linux (or rarely a windows image) in vmware - > > doing all this, without having to selectively shutdown certain apps. > > Keep in mind that N number of things might "have" the sound card, > > but only one is actually producing audio at a time (or perhaps a > > slight over lap, i.e. listening to podcast, and hearing a v-mail) the > > rest might be in a 0-volume or pause state, etc. and I just don't > > want to have to shut stuff off just so one thing can get its turn to > > produce sound. > > > > I am hoping there is some sound/audio driver that can do this. > > > > Here's hoping someone delivers this x-mas wish to me! > > > > I don't recall getting this in MS windows, but it been so long I am > > not sure, and as of 1-2 years ago, don't recall getting this on my > > MacOSX either, but maybe I never tried to much multiplexing, and I > > certainly never had the VMWARE part in the mix on these. > > > > Right now I am just using stock ubuntu gutsy's default sound drivers > > (and setup). For sure I know that mplayer and vmware don't play nice > > together, and flash plugin and vmware (and amarok) don't play nice > > together, plus I am sure there are many more combinations. > > > > I hear all this talk about this new sound driver (server?) in the new > > Fedora, and its in Ubuntu Heron (beta), and I am wondering perhaps if > > that address this issue? > > > > Merry x-mas and a Happy New Year to all! > > Pulseaudio is causing no small amount of trouble on any Fedora machine > I've used so far. There is a regression in Fedora 8 where Intel ICH7 > chips (the snd-hda-intel kernel module) completely breaks and nothing > puts out any sound. No fix as of yet. > > I tend to roll my own kernels, which isn't so bad once you have a good > baseline .config for your particular hardware setup. I always ensure > that the OSS portion of the sound section is entirely excluded, not > built as a module or statically--nothing. > > I haven't run into problems like those you describe since making sure I > don't compile OSS (it's deprecated anyways) and I have Vmware, Flash, > Amarok, Kaffeine all going at the same time without any problems. Do you use anything special for vmware audio driver? i.e. default is /dev/dsp. So you could be playing flash, listening to a podcast with amarok, and playing a movie in Kaffeine, and launch a vmware seesion, and vmware doesn't complain? Oh man , i SO need that! > > Do you have enough ram on the system? 8 GB ram, Have you tried installing one of > the realtime kernel's from Ubuntu? I could see needing this if I could at least get the sound, but it skipped, etc, but I simply get the "sound card in use" errors. I have quad 2.6Ghz opteron so I should have enough power. -tl > > Jamon > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 25 14:05:38 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 09:05:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Short notes on "MP4" players... Message-ID: <991971.32532.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just a quick note, for Xmas I bought two (one for myself and one as a gift) of those no name "MP4" players (made up to look like an Apple iPod Nano) from one of the shops near College & Spadina. In case someone is going down that same road here is what I know... First off the players do NOT support MP4. They do play .amv files, a format that I had not heard of before I started looking into these players. There is a website that has some notes about these players: http://wiki.s1mp3.org/Video_encoding Bottom line, there is a alpha quality converter program available for Linux that will create .amv files... So far I have had success translating .avi files to .amv. I have not yet been able to successfully translate MP4 files from my MythTV box to .amv (or MP4 to .avi then to .amv). For transfering files the unit looks / acts like a standard USB hard drive. Standard .jpg files are no problem. For eBook .txt files are ok, but at 16 characters per line ... ugly... Beyond that, I hope everyone is having a great holiday. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 25 15:19:58 2007 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:19:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Happy Holidays! References: <476FED2B.6050801@telly.org> Message-ID: > Hope your holidays are happy and the family visits are tolerable! LOL. Happy Holidays to all, and, about the tolerance, I will have to ask them how I am behaving ... :) Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 25 15:46:13 2007 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:46:13 -0500 Subject: Short notes on "MP4" players... In-Reply-To: <991971.32532.qm-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <991971.32532.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <477125C5.1040503@pppoe.ca> Colin McGregor wrote: > Just a quick note, for Xmas I bought two (one for > myself and one as a gift) of those no name "MP4" > players (made up to look like an Apple iPod Nano) from > one of the shops near College & Spadina. In case > someone is going down that same road here is what I > know... > > First off the players do NOT support MP4. They do play > .amv files, a format that I had not heard of before I > started looking into these players. There is a website > that has some notes about these players: > > http://wiki.s1mp3.org/Video_encoding > > Bottom line, there is a alpha quality converter > program available for Linux that will create .amv > files... So far I have had success translating .avi > files to .amv. I have not yet been able to > successfully translate MP4 files from my MythTV box to > .amv (or MP4 to .avi then to .amv). > Thanks, Colin. I intend to get one, mainly for audio books and music but video will be a bonus. Out of curiosity, what make were the ones you purchased? I understand that there are tons of "no name" ones out there. Merry Christmas. Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 25 22:35:22 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 17:35:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Short notes on "MP4" players... In-Reply-To: <477125C5.1040503-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <477125C5.1040503@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <754888.96320.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Meng Cheah wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > > Just a quick note, for Xmas I bought two (one for > > myself and one as a gift) of those no name "MP4" > > players (made up to look like an Apple iPod Nano) > from > > one of the shops near College & Spadina. In case > > someone is going down that same road here is what > I > > know... > > > > First off the players do NOT support MP4. They do > play > > .amv files, a format that I had not heard of > before I > > started looking into these players. There is a > website > > that has some notes about these players: > > > > http://wiki.s1mp3.org/Video_encoding > > > > Bottom line, there is a alpha quality converter > > program available for Linux that will create .amv > > files... So far I have had success translating > .avi > > files to .amv. I have not yet been able to > > successfully translate MP4 files from my MythTV > box to > > .amv (or MP4 to .avi then to .amv). > > > Thanks, Colin. I intend to get one, mainly for audio > books and music but > video will be a bonus. > Out of curiosity, what make were the ones you > purchased? I understand > that there are tons of "no name" ones out there. It really is a no name player, with NOTHING to say who the maker is. I suspect the reasoning being that it looks so much like an Apple Nano that Apple could go after these people on trade mark grounds if nothing else (they don't use the Apple name anywhere on the player, but the resemblance is very close :-) ). > Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. > Meng Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 25 23:33:25 2007 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:33:25 -0500 Subject: Short notes on "MP4" players... In-Reply-To: <754888.96320.qm-p6KvMhi7PWKB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <754888.96320.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47719345.9080909@pppoe.ca> Colin McGregor wrote: > --- Meng Cheah wrote: > >> Thanks, Colin. I intend to get one, mainly for audio >> books and music but >> video will be a bonus. >> Out of curiosity, what make were the ones you >> purchased? I understand >> that there are tons of "no name" ones out there. >> > > It really is a no name player, with NOTHING to say who > the maker is. I suspect the reasoning being that it > looks so much like an Apple Nano that Apple could go > after these people on trade mark grounds if nothing > else (they don't use the Apple name anywhere on the > player, but the resemblance is very close :-) ). > I guess if you do have an issue, you have but one recourse. A truly disposable no name player; it should be priced accordingly :-) Thanks, I'll go check what's out there. Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 26 01:23:27 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:23:27 -0500 Subject: ESPL; the Extremely Simple Program Launchbar Message-ID: <20071226012327.GA13253@waltdnes.org> Thanks to those who replied to my question about simple menuing. I eventually settled on xmessage. What got me going originally, was a note on the pypanel homepage that the program was no longer under development. This got me looking for another launchbar program. There are several around. Unfortunately, they all seem to want to pull in 90% of the GNOME libs or 90% of the KDE libs, or a ton of Perl from CPAN. All I wanted was a program launcher on the bottom of the screen, where I could click a button, and launch a program. I go so annoyed that I ended up writing my own launchbar program... consisting of 18 lines worth of bash script! Hence the name "espl" (Extremely Simple Program Launchbar). I went about the process in a backwards manner. First, I made a sample ~/.esplrc config file... AbiWord /usr/bin/abiword Firefox /usr/bin/firefox -P default Freecell /usr/games/bin/xfreecell GIMP /usr/bin/gimp GoogleSearch /usr/bin/firefox -P default http://www.google.com gnumeric /usr/bin/gnumeric xterm /usr/bin/xterm -bg black -fg cyan -fn -*-fixed-medium-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1 The layout consists of a text label *WITH NO BLANKS*, followed by a program, and any required parameters. Next, I wrote a script to process the file... #!/bin/bash commandline="xmessage -geometry +0-0 -buttons EXIT:1" commandarray[1]=exit buttonpointer=2 while read xlabel xcommand do commandarray[${buttonpointer}]=${xcommand} commandline="${commandline},${xlabel}:${buttonpointer}" buttonpointer=$(( ${buttonpointer} + 1 )) done < ~/.esplrc commandline="${commandline} -file /dev/null" commandpointer=0 while [[ ${commandpointer} != 1 ]] do ${commandline} commandpointer=${?} eval ${commandarray[${commandpointer}]} & done The script reads ~/.esplrc, adds a label and returnvalue to the xmessage commandline, and populates commandarray with the commands and parameters. Clicking on button N returns a value of N, which is used to select commandarray[N] for launching. xmessage exits immediately after returning "${?}". The script launches the selected command in the background, and loops to launch another invocation of xmessage. Note that return code 1 is reserved for errors. I associate it with the "EXIT" button, so that an error will cause an exit. Here's my .xinitrc #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/bbkeys & /usr/bin/xterm -bg black -fg cyan -geometry 50x10+0+0 -fn -*-fixed-medium-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1 & /usr/bin/xterm -bg black -fg cyan -geometry +0+0 -fn -*-fixed-medium-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1 & ~/bin/espl & exec /usr/bin/blackbox > ~/.blackbox.log 2>&1 This was intended as proof-of-concept, but it actually works quite well. On the todo list are things like... - getting it to ignore lines beinning with "#", i.e. comments - allowing to use a different config file - fancy colours -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 26 01:33:40 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:33:40 -0500 Subject: eee problems any suggestions In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880712241234s3e859280qc4acb3f35dd19acf-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880712241234s3e859280qc4acb3f35dd19acf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071226013340.GA18448@waltdnes.org> On Mon, Dec 24, 2007 at 03:34:55PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote > Hi Guys, > > Because the EEE screen is so small its hard to configure things > because the setup pages go past the screen even at proper resolution. > > Any suggestions on how to enable scrolling on the setup screens, > > ive had to use the montior to set most things up and then once its > setup its cruising. You can't scroll setup menus. There are a couple of other options... 1) Enable a 2nd, higher, resolution in xorg.conf, and {CTRL-ALT-GREYPLUS} when you need a "zoomed out view", then toggle back to your regular resolution when finished. 2) Use a "viewport" that is your screen size, and use a larger "virtual desktop". Trying to move your your cursor past the edge of the screen will scroll through the virtual desktop, which is about as close as you can get to what you originally asked for. It can be a pain, however, if you have multiple desktops. -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 26 03:05:24 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:05:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Short notes on "MP4" players... In-Reply-To: <47719345.9080909-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <47719345.9080909@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <316000.99682.qm@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Meng Cheah wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > > --- Meng Cheah wrote: > > > >> Thanks, Colin. I intend to get one, mainly for > audio > >> books and music but > >> video will be a bonus. > >> Out of curiosity, what make were the ones you > >> purchased? I understand > >> that there are tons of "no name" ones out there. > >> > > > > It really is a no name player, with NOTHING to say > who > > the maker is. I suspect the reasoning being that > it > > looks so much like an Apple Nano that Apple could > go > > after these people on trade mark grounds if > nothing > > else (they don't use the Apple name anywhere on > the > > player, but the resemblance is very close :-) ). > > > I guess if you do have an issue, you have but one > recourse. > A truly disposable no name player; it should be > priced accordingly :-) Well, $20 (plus tax) will get you a 1 GB clone of the current iPod Shuffle, $25 will get you a 1 GB clone of the 2nd generation iPod Nano, and $30 will get you a 1 GB clone of the current generation iPod Nano. Key differences: - Shuffle clone - No screen, an MP3 only player. - 2nd generation Nano clone - small 128 x 128 pixel screen, can play video, show photos, etc. - current generation Nano clone - somewhat larger 160 x 120 pixel screen, can play video, show photos, etc. Also of note, the above are available in several different colours (depending on the model I've seen metalic, pink, blue and green). Me, I went with the 2nd generation Nano clone in metalic). > Thanks, I'll go check what's out there. Well, I am still working my way through issues of converting the real MP4 files that my MythTV creates and convert them into the format the 2nd generation Nano clone can deal with. Colin McGregor > Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 26 04:26:45 2007 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:26:45 -0500 Subject: Short notes on "MP4" players... In-Reply-To: <316000.99682.qm-2K+iNxKRQwOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <316000.99682.qm@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4771D805.3020508@pppoe.ca> Colin McGregor wrote: > --- Meng Cheah wrote: > >> I guess if you do have an issue, you have but one >> recourse. >> A truly disposable no name player; it should be >> priced accordingly :-) >> > > Well, $20 (plus tax) will get you a 1 GB clone of the > current iPod Shuffle, $25 will get you a 1 GB clone of > the 2nd generation iPod Nano, and $30 will get you a 1 > GB clone of the current generation iPod Nano. > > Key differences: > - Shuffle clone - No screen, an MP3 only player. > - 2nd generation Nano clone - small 128 x 128 pixel > screen, can play video, show photos, etc. > - current generation Nano clone - somewhat larger 160 > x 120 pixel screen, can play video, show photos, etc. > > Also of note, the above are available in several > different colours (depending on the model I've seen > metalic, pink, blue and green). Me, I went with the > 2nd generation Nano clone in metalic). > Sounds great. Please, which store and where? I'll go Thursday. Thanks again for all the info. > Well, I am still working my way through issues of > converting the real MP4 files that my MythTV creates > and convert them into the format the 2nd generation > Nano clone can deal with. > I'm looking forward to see a real MP4 file converted and running on that :-) . Regards Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 26 10:58:35 2007 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 05:58:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Short notes on "MP4" players... In-Reply-To: <4771D805.3020508-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <4771D805.3020508@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <39353.12743.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Meng Cheah wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > > --- Meng Cheah wrote: > >> I guess if you do have an issue, you have but one > >> recourse. > >> A truly disposable no name player; it should be > >> priced accordingly :-) > >> > > > > Well, $20 (plus tax) will get you a 1 GB clone of > the > > current iPod Shuffle, $25 will get you a 1 GB > clone of > > the 2nd generation iPod Nano, and $30 will get you > a 1 > > GB clone of the current generation iPod Nano. > > > > Key differences: > > - Shuffle clone - No screen, an MP3 only player. > > - 2nd generation Nano clone - small 128 x 128 > pixel > > screen, can play video, show photos, etc. > > - current generation Nano clone - somewhat larger > 160 > > x 120 pixel screen, can play video, show photos, > etc. > > > > Also of note, the above are available in several > > different colours (depending on the model I've > seen > > metalic, pink, blue and green). Me, I went with > the > > 2nd generation Nano clone in metalic). > > > Sounds great. Please, which store and where? I'll go > Thursday. I've seen the above at Tech Direct (259 College, just east of Spadina, south side) and at A-Plus (280 College, just west of Spadina, north side). > Thanks again for all the info. > > Well, I am still working my way through issues of > > converting the real MP4 files that my MythTV > creates > > and convert them into the format the 2nd > generation > > Nano clone can deal with. > > > I'm looking forward to see a real MP4 file converted > and running on that > :-) . Well, I will let folks know what I find out on that score. Colin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 26 16:49:17 2007 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:49:17 -0500 Subject: BASH question In-Reply-To: <20071221172312.GS2309-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <60859.64.229.146.163.1197690772.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <20071215020247.1d46750c@david.chipman> <4763C170.90105@alteeve.com> <20071216014112.GA1900@waltdnes.org> <473c25250712171054s4a980161m53ce5294f7c073c9@mail.gmail.com> <20071218013203.GA6930@node1.opengeometry.net> <473c25250712180411x4f6d5ca5i3f1e3481359c84f9@mail.gmail.com> <20071221015418.GA9119@node1.opengeometry.net> <20071221171525.21B5083833@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20071221172312.GS2309@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20071226164917.GA9068@wp.magstar.net> On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 12:23:12PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Can't you just do: > ls -l | while ...; do > x=... > done > ... $x ... > > Does it need a subshell? Yes. 'x=...' is inside of while-loop in a subshell; whereas, '...$x...' is outside at the top level. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 26 23:16:47 2007 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:16:47 -0500 Subject: Short notes on "MP4" players... In-Reply-To: <39353.12743.qm-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <39353.12743.qm@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4772E0DF.5030404@pppoe.ca> Colin McGregor wrote: > I've seen the above at Tech Direct (259 College, just > east of Spadina, south side) and at A-Plus (280 > College, just west of Spadina, north side). > Thanks, Happy New Year :-) Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psmerdon-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 27 15:52:05 2007 From: psmerdon-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org (Peter Smerdon) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:52:05 -0500 Subject: finding my own ip Message-ID: <86d4sskue2.fsf@magma.ca> Hello Everyone and seasons greetings.. My job takes me on the road a lot, but I like to keep my server running so I can ssh into it from anywhere I happen to be. This way my email and newsgroups for example are all in one location. The problem is my IP address is dynamic and dsl, every few days it changes. My isp (magma.ca) used to provide a webpage that I could see what my current IP is but now that Primus bought them, this page has gone and I have no way of knowing what my IP at home is. My solution was to set a cron job to use curl and the website `whatismyip.com' to email the IP address to my throwaway yahoo.ca address. ,----[ crontab ] | */60 * * * * /usr/bin/curl | http://www.whatismyip.com/automation/n09230945.asp >> | /home/peter/cronlog 2>&1 | mail -s my-ip petersmerdon-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org `---- This seems to work, once an hour I get an email in my yahoo inbox containing my IP but I am wondering if there is a `proper' way to do this? It just seems like a bit of a kludge to rely on an outside website. I use a netgear wireless router at home which I cannot ssh into directly, and ifconfig only shows ip's from my internal network so I wasn't sure how else to find my internet address without using an external service like that website. thoughts? -- Peter Smerdon psmerdon-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 27 17:52:14 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:52:14 -0500 Subject: Any simple menuing dialogs callable from scripts? In-Reply-To: <200712230627.45832.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <20071222203305.GA21460@waltdnes.org> <200712230627.45832.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <473c25250712270952p33d71a1cr8fb61dbf4c5dc4e1@mail.gmail.com> On 12/23/07, bob 295 wrote: > On Saturday 22 December 2007 03:33 pm, Walter Dnes wrote: > > Are there any simple menuing dialogs that are callable from scripts, > > without gaving to resort to C programming? > > Not sure what you are after, but the Tcl/Tk scripting language may be what > you want. I have an online tutorial at: > > http://www.icanprogram.com/09tk/main.html > > bob I assume he meant shell scripts though. Otherwise there are plenty of scripting languages that have bindings into GTK, QT or both. (PyQT, PyGTK, wxPython, PHP-GTK, etc) -- Brandon Sandrowicz -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 27 20:09:28 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:09:28 -0500 Subject: ESPL: Extremely Simple Program Launchbar Message-ID: <20071227200928.GA11914@waltdnes.org> I apologize if this is a dup, the original seems not to have gotten through. Thanks to those who replied to my question about simple menuing. I eventually settled on xmessage. What got me going originally, was a note on the pypanel homepage that the program was no longer under development. This got me looking for another launchbar program. There are several around. Unfortunately, they all seem to want to pull in 90% of the GNOME libs or 90% of the KDE libs, or a ton of Perl from CPAN. All I wanted was a program launcher on the bottom of the screen, where I could click a button, and launch a program. I go so annoyed that I ended up writing my own launchbar program... consisting of 18 lines worth of bash script! Hence the name "espl" (Extremely Simple Program Launchbar). I went about the process in a backwards manner. First, I made a sample ~/.esplrc config file... AbiWord /usr/bin/abiword Firefox /usr/bin/firefox -P default Freecell /usr/games/bin/xfreecell GIMP /usr/bin/gimp GoogleSearch /usr/bin/firefox -P default http://www.google.com gnumeric /usr/bin/gnumeric xterm /usr/bin/xterm -bg black -fg cyan -fn -*-fixed-medium-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1 The layout consists of a text label *WITH NO EMBEDDED BLANKS*, followed by a program, and any required parameters. Next, I wrote a script to process the file... #!/bin/bash commandline="xmessage -geometry +0-0 -buttons EXIT:1" commandarray[1]=exit buttonpointer=2 while read xlabel xcommand do commandarray[${buttonpointer}]=${xcommand} commandline="${commandline},${xlabel}:${buttonpointer}" buttonpointer=$(( ${buttonpointer} + 1 )) done < ~/.esplrc commandline="${commandline} -file /dev/null" commandpointer=0 while [[ ${commandpointer} != 1 ]] do ${commandline} commandpointer=${?} eval ${commandarray[${commandpointer}]} & done The script reads ~/.esplrc, adds a label and returnvalue to the xmessage commandline, and populates commandarray with the commands and parameters. Clicking on button N returns a value of N, which is used to select commandarray[N] for launching. xmessage exits immediately after returning "${?}". The script launches the selected command in the background, and loops to launch another invocation of xmessage. Note that return code 1 is reserved for errors. I associate it with the "EXIT" button, so that an error will cause an exit. Here's my .xinitrc #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/bbkeys & /usr/bin/xterm -bg black -fg cyan -geometry 50x10+0+0 -fn -*-fixed-medium-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1 & /usr/bin/xterm -bg black -fg cyan -geometry +0+0 -fn -*-fixed-medium-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1 & ~/bin/espl & exec /usr/bin/blackbox > ~/.blackbox.log 2>&1 This was intended as proof-of-concept, but it actually works quite well. On the todo list are things like... - getting it to ignore lines beinning with "#", i.e. comments - allowing to use a different config file - fancy colours -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 27 20:29:38 2007 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:29:38 -0500 Subject: finding my own ip In-Reply-To: <86d4sskue2.fsf-J4oS66wZXds@public.gmane.org> References: <86d4sskue2.fsf@magma.ca> Message-ID: <47740B32.10608@ve3syb.ca> Peter Smerdon wrote: > This seems to work, once an hour I get an email in my yahoo inbox > containing my IP but I am wondering if there is a `proper' way to do > this? It just seems like a bit of a kludge to rely on an outside website. I would hope you mean that it checks for a changed IP address every hour but only sends a message if the address has changed since the last check. Otherwise, you risk filling up your yahoo mail with IP address messages and your system won't be able to send messages after that when the IP does change. A better idea is to look in to the sites on line which provide DNS services for machines that have changeable IP addresses. If you do an internet search on "Dynamic DNS" you will find several sites that offer this service. There are several offering the service for free. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 27 20:37:57 2007 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:37:57 -0500 Subject: finding my own ip In-Reply-To: <47740B32.10608-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <86d4sskue2.fsf@magma.ca> <47740B32.10608@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <49e826e90712271237y226c5e6flf05265d9349388f5@mail.gmail.com> Some of the popular ones are: https://www.dyndns.com/ www.no-ip.com www.dynip.com Asaf On Dec 27, 2007 3:29 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Peter Smerdon wrote: > > This seems to work, once an hour I get an email in my yahoo inbox > > containing my IP but I am wondering if there is a `proper' way to do > > this? It just seems like a bit of a kludge to rely on an outside > website. > > I would hope you mean that it checks for a changed IP address every hour > but > only sends a message if the address has changed since the last check. > Otherwise, you risk filling up your yahoo mail with IP address messages > and > your system won't be able to send messages after that when the IP does > change. > > A better idea is to look in to the sites on line which provide DNS > services > for machines that have changeable IP addresses. If you do an internet > search > on "Dynamic DNS" you will find several sites that offer this service. > There > are several offering the service for free. > > -- > Cheers! > > Kevin. > > http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" > Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: > | Try to assimilate the world!" > #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- "I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." - Richard P. Feynman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 27 21:28:15 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:28:15 -0500 Subject: Any simple menuing dialogs callable from scripts? In-Reply-To: <20071222203305.GA21460-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20071222203305.GA21460@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Dec 22, 2007 3:33 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > Are there any simple menuing dialogs that are callable from scripts, > without gaving to resort to C programming? I'd look into dialog. Grabbing from the man page: Dialog is a program that will let you to present a variety of questions or display messages using dialog boxes from a shell script. These types of dialog boxes are implemented (though not all are necessarily compiled into dialog): calendar, checklist, dselect, editbox, form, fselect, gauge, infobox, inputbox, inputmenu, menu, mixedform, mixedgauge, msgbox (message), passwordbox, passwordform, pause, progressbox, radiolist, tailbox, tailboxbg, textbox, timebox, and yesno (yes/no). This is what is typically used by Linux installation tools to provide interactive configuration capabilities that are reasonably "user friendly." Here's an example of creating a list you can select items from: dialog --checklist "checklist" 40 80 8 t1 tag1 0 t2 tag2 1 t3 tag3 0 t4 tag4 1 I believe that RedHat created a version that uses the GTk toolkit to give "Gooey goodness" with the very same coding interfaces. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 27 22:01:56 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:01:56 -0500 Subject: finding my own ip In-Reply-To: <86d4sskue2.fsf-J4oS66wZXds@public.gmane.org> References: <86d4sskue2.fsf@magma.ca> Message-ID: <200712271701.59786.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> On December 27, 2007 10:52:05 Peter Smerdon wrote: > Hello Everyone and seasons greetings.. > > My job takes me on the road a lot, but I like to keep my server > running so I can ssh into it from anywhere I happen to be. This way > my email and newsgroups for example are all in one location. > > The problem is my IP address is dynamic and dsl, every few days it > changes. My isp (magma.ca) used to provide a webpage that I could see > what my current IP is but now that Primus bought them, this page has > gone and I have no way of knowing what my IP at home is. > > My solution was to set a cron job to use curl and the website > `whatismyip.com' to email the IP address to my throwaway yahoo.ca > address. > > ,----[ crontab ] > > | */60 * * * * /usr/bin/curl > | http://www.whatismyip.com/automation/n09230945.asp >> > | /home/peter/cronlog 2>&1 | mail -s my-ip petersmerdon-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org > > `---- > > This seems to work, once an hour I get an email in my yahoo inbox > containing my IP but I am wondering if there is a `proper' way to do > this? It just seems like a bit of a kludge to rely on an outside > website. I use a netgear wireless router at home which I cannot ssh > into directly, and ifconfig only shows ip's from my internal network > so I wasn't sure how else to find my internet address without using > an external service like that website. > > thoughts? On Fedora and Debian, check out the ez-ipupdate tool, it works with 10+ dynamic dns providers. With that you just ssh to you.dnsprovider.com I have the equivalent setup to run on my router's firmware and it is the easiest and most convenient way to keep up to date with your ip. You could setup curl to login to and scrape the IP from the netgear interface too, but having a subdomain is easier to remember and you don't have to check your email first. There is also an External IP plugin for Firefox, but it just uses one of those 10+ external websites ez-ipupdate uses anyways. Jamon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 27 22:39:36 2007 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:39:36 -0500 Subject: ESPL: Extremely Simple Program Launchbar In-Reply-To: <20071227200928.GA11914-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20071227200928.GA11914@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Dec 27, 2007 3:09 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > I apologize if this is a dup, the original seems not to have gotten > through. > > Thanks to those who replied to my question about simple menuing. I > eventually settled on xmessage. What got me going originally, was a > note on the pypanel homepage that the program was no longer under > development. This got me looking for another launchbar program. There > are several around. Unfortunately, they all seem to want to pull in 90% > of the GNOME libs or 90% of the KDE libs, or a ton of Perl from CPAN. > All I wanted was a program launcher on the bottom of the screen, where I > could click a button, and launch a program. > > I go so annoyed that I ended up writing my own launchbar program... > consisting of 18 lines worth of bash script! Hence the name "espl" > (Extremely Simple Program Launchbar). I went about the process in a > backwards manner. First, I made a sample ~/.esplrc config file... > > AbiWord /usr/bin/abiword > Firefox /usr/bin/firefox -P default > Freecell /usr/games/bin/xfreecell > GIMP /usr/bin/gimp > GoogleSearch /usr/bin/firefox -P default http://www.google.com > gnumeric /usr/bin/gnumeric > xterm /usr/bin/xterm -bg black -fg cyan -fn -*-fixed-medium-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1 > > The layout consists of a text label *WITH NO EMBEDDED BLANKS*, followed by a > program, and any required parameters. Next, I wrote a script to process > the file... > > > #!/bin/bash > commandline="xmessage -geometry +0-0 -buttons EXIT:1" > commandarray[1]=exit > buttonpointer=2 > while read xlabel xcommand > do > commandarray[${buttonpointer}]=${xcommand} > commandline="${commandline},${xlabel}:${buttonpointer}" > buttonpointer=$(( ${buttonpointer} + 1 )) > done < ~/.esplrc > commandline="${commandline} -file /dev/null" > commandpointer=0 > while [[ ${commandpointer} != 1 ]] > do > ${commandline} > commandpointer=${?} > eval ${commandarray[${commandpointer}]} & > done > > The script reads ~/.esplrc, adds a label and returnvalue to the > xmessage commandline, and populates commandarray with the commands and > parameters. Clicking on button N returns a value of N, which is used to > select commandarray[N] for launching. xmessage exits immediately after > returning "${?}". The script launches the selected command in the > background, and loops to launch another invocation of xmessage. Note > that return code 1 is reserved for errors. I associate it with the > "EXIT" button, so that an error will cause an exit. Here's my .xinitrc > > > #!/bin/bash > /usr/bin/bbkeys & > /usr/bin/xterm -bg black -fg cyan -geometry 50x10+0+0 -fn -*-fixed-medium-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1 & > /usr/bin/xterm -bg black -fg cyan -geometry +0+0 -fn -*-fixed-medium-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1 & > ~/bin/espl & > exec /usr/bin/blackbox > ~/.blackbox.log 2>&1 > > This was intended as proof-of-concept, but it actually works quite > well. On the todo list are things like... > - getting it to ignore lines beinning with "#", i.e. comments > - allowing to use a different config file > - fancy colours The system I'd be inclined to start with, in that it isn't outrageously large, and in that it already includes a lot of this sort of stuff, is TkDesk. http://tkdesk.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 27 23:22:48 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:22:48 -0500 Subject: finding my own ip In-Reply-To: <200712271701.59786.jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <86d4sskue2.fsf@magma.ca> <200712271701.59786.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <477433C8.2030903@rogers.com> Jamon Camisso wrote: > On December 27, 2007 10:52:05 Peter Smerdon wrote: > >> Hello Everyone and seasons greetings.. >> >> My job takes me on the road a lot, but I like to keep my server >> running so I can ssh into it from anywhere I happen to be. This way >> my email and newsgroups for example are all in one location. >> >> The problem is my IP address is dynamic and dsl, every few days it >> changes. My isp (magma.ca) used to provide a webpage that I could see >> what my current IP is but now that Primus bought them, this page has >> gone and I have no way of knowing what my IP at home is. >> >> My solution was to set a cron job to use curl and the website >> `whatismyip.com' to email the IP address to my throwaway yahoo.ca >> address. >> >> ,----[ crontab ] >> >> | */60 * * * * /usr/bin/curl >> | http://www.whatismyip.com/automation/n09230945.asp >> >> | /home/peter/cronlog 2>&1 | mail -s my-ip petersmerdon-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org >> >> `---- >> >> This seems to work, once an hour I get an email in my yahoo inbox >> containing my IP but I am wondering if there is a `proper' way to do >> this? It just seems like a bit of a kludge to rely on an outside >> website. I use a netgear wireless router at home which I cannot ssh >> into directly, and ifconfig only shows ip's from my internal network >> so I wasn't sure how else to find my internet address without using >> an external service like that website. >> >> thoughts? >> > > On Fedora and Debian, check out the ez-ipupdate tool, it works with 10+ > dynamic dns providers. With that you just ssh to you.dnsprovider.com I > have the equivalent setup to run on my router's firmware and it is the > easiest and most convenient way to keep up to date with your ip. > > You could setup curl to login to and scrape the IP from the netgear > interface too, but having a subdomain is easier to remember and you > don't have to check your email first. > > There is also an External IP plugin for Firefox, but it just uses one of > those 10+ external websites ez-ipupdate uses anyways. > > Jamon > I seem to be missing a couple of messages in this thread, so I didn't see the OP. However, I use this script in KDE to display the address. It requires Lynx. #! /bin/sh kdialog --msgbox "$(lynx --dump "http://checkip.dyndns.org/")" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 28 00:06:11 2007 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:06:11 -0500 Subject: finding my own ip In-Reply-To: <86d4sskue2.fsf-J4oS66wZXds@public.gmane.org> References: <86d4sskue2.fsf@magma.ca> Message-ID: <47743DF3.1080303@rogers.com> Peter Smerdon wrote: > Hello Everyone and seasons greetings.. > > My job takes me on the road a lot, but I like to keep my server running > so I can ssh into it from anywhere I happen to be. This way my email and > newsgroups for example are all in one location. > > The problem is my IP address is dynamic and dsl, every few days it changes. > My isp (magma.ca) used to provide a webpage that I could see what my > current IP is but now that Primus bought them, this page has gone and I > have no way of knowing what my IP at home is. > Your message finally showed up, so I'll reply with the answer I gave in a reply to a reply. I use this script in KDE to display the address. It requires Lynx. #! /bin/sh kdialog --msgbox "$(lynx --dump "http://checkip.dyndns.org/")" -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 28 00:32:35 2007 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:32:35 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Re:finding my own ip Message-ID: <200712271932.39572.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Sending again, disregard the noise if you've already received this: ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: [TLUG]: finding my own ip Date: December 27, 2007 From: Jamon Camisso To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org On December 27, 2007 10:52:05 Peter Smerdon wrote: > Hello Everyone and seasons greetings.. > > My job takes me on the road a lot, but I like to keep my server > running so I can ssh into it from anywhere I happen to be. This way > my email and newsgroups for example are all in one location. > > The problem is my IP address is dynamic and dsl, every few days it > changes. My isp (magma.ca) used to provide a webpage that I could see > what my current IP is but now that Primus bought them, this page has > gone and I have no way of knowing what my IP at home is. > > My solution was to set a cron job to use curl and the website > `whatismyip.com' to email the IP address to my throwaway yahoo.ca > address. > > ,----[ crontab ] > > | */60 * * * * /usr/bin/curl > | http://www.whatismyip.com/automation/n09230945.asp >> > | /home/peter/cronlog 2>&1 | mail -s my-ip petersmerdon-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org > > `---- > > This seems to work, once an hour I get an email in my yahoo inbox > containing my IP but I am wondering if there is a `proper' way to do > this? It just seems like a bit of a kludge to rely on an outside > website. I use a netgear wireless router at home which I cannot ssh > into directly, and ifconfig only shows ip's from my internal network > so I wasn't sure how else to find my internet address without using > an external service like that website. > > thoughts? On Fedora and Debian, check out the ez-ipupdate tool, it works with 10+ dynamic dns providers. With that you just ssh to you.dnsprovider.com I have the equivalent setup to run on my router's firmware and it is the easiest and most convenient way to keep up to date with your ip. You could setup curl to login to and scrape the IP from the netgear interface too, but having a subdomain is easier to remember and you don't have to check your email first. There is also an External IP plugin for Firefox, but it just uses one of those 10+ external websites ez-ipupdate uses anyways. Jamon ------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 28 15:32:47 2007 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:32:47 -0500 Subject: Any simple menuing dialogs callable from scripts?y In-Reply-To: References: <20071222203305.GA21460@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20071228153247.GA7194@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 09:54:56PM -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > Are there any simple menuing dialogs that are callable from scripts, > >without gaving to resort to C programming? > > dialog, Xdialog, zenity, etc.. Those are "graphical" (either ncurses or X). If OP want "text", then try something like select x in ...; do ... done which is part of standard Bash/Ksh. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 29 01:33:28 2007 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:33:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Phisher of the Week Message-ID: <7438.99.232.68.237.1198892008.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > As part of Fore Arts & Craft Ltd..... ^^^^ The Fore people found to be eating the brains of dead relatives in Papua New Guinea, thereby spreading a prion-based disease. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fore_%28people%29 An unfortunate choice of company name, I would say... Peter ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Notification of Job Openings From: "Fore Arts & Crafts" Date: Fri, December 28, 2007 6:20 pm To: undisclosed-recipients:; -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We are pleased to inform you that due to our company's expansion in USA and Canada, we have new job openings. Our company deals in sales of Arts and Crafts. We are searching for representatives who can help us establish a medium of getting to our small-scale customers in Canada and USA as well as making payments through them to us. Unfortunately, we are unable to open bank accounts in the USA and Canada without first registering the company name. Your duty would be to coordinate payments from customers and help us with the payment process. You will not be involved in any sales. About 90% of our customers in Canada and USA prefer to pay through Certified Cheques, Money Orders and Direct Bank Transfers, based on the amount involved. Therefore, we have decided to open this new job position for solving this problem. JOB DESCRIPTION: 1. Receive payment from our Customers as soon as the payment is complete; 3. Deduct 10%, which will be your percentage/payment on payment processed; 4. Forward balance after deduction of percentage/payment to any of the offices you will be contacted to send payment to; In a month you will have 5 to 10 transactions of 1000-3000 USD, so you may calculate your income. After establishing close co-operation you will be able to operate with larger orders and you'll be able to earn more. Our customers will issue payments out in your name and you get them cashed or deposited in your bank. When funds have cleared, deduct your 10% and forward the balance to the company. This is a project based job, it will not interfere with your full-time/part-time current job. MAIN REQUIREMENTS: 1. 18 years or older; 2. Legally capable; 3. Responsible; 4. Ready to work; 5. PC knowledge; 6. E-mail and Internet experience (minimal); As part of Fore Arts & Craft Ltd. employment process, candidates will be required to complete a pre-employment screening process, prior to commencing employment. This will involve employment verification, professional references, education verification and professional qualifications and memberships (if applicable). Any offer of employment made will be subject to satisfactory screening. Fore Arts & Craft Ltd. is committed to creating a diverse environment and is proud to be an equal opportunity employer. If you would like to work with our company, please contact us with the following information: 1. Full Name; 2. Address; 4. Date of Birth and Gender; 2. Home Phone Number, Mobile Phone Number, Fax Number; 3. Email Address; 5. Marital Status; 7. Occupation; 8. Attach your Curriculum Vitae to the email; PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL ADDRESS. All inquires must be sent to Fore.Employment-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg at public.gmane.org or otherwise they will not be processed. Include your full name in mail subject. Your employment contract will be faxed to you in 3 to 5 business days. Best Regards, Robert Fore HR Manager at Fore Arts & Craft Ltd. 14 York Road, Ilford Essex, IG1 3AD, London, England. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psmerdon-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 29 15:43:23 2007 From: psmerdon-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org (Peter Smerdon) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:43:23 -0500 Subject: finding my own ip In-Reply-To: <200712271701.59786.jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> (Jamon Camisso's message of "Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:01:56 -0500") References: <86d4sskue2.fsf@magma.ca> <200712271701.59786.jamon.camisso@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <8663yhbj6s.fsf@magma.ca> Thanks everyone, I will make dyndns account and use the ez-updater program instead. -- Peter Smerdon psmerdon-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 30 15:13:08 2007 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:13:08 -0500 Subject: Semi-OT: DVI-to-HDMI cables Message-ID: <1f13df280712300713p3215ff30nbbee3e1755fb54b8@mail.gmail.com> I'm considering buying a 1080p LCD TV and perhaps this isn't OT at all because I have every intention of using it as a monitor with Linux as well as for movies. A friend has an older Sceptre 37" and we had very little trouble getting it set up at 1920x1080 with Linux - but it has a VGA in. A few of the current batch of LCD TVs come with VGA ins, and I think I've seen one or two with DVI ins, but pretty much all of the ones I'm looking at come with HDMI ins. So if I don't get DVI/VGA in, and I buy one of those ludicrously expensive DVI-to-HDMI cables (currently about $75 each), would it allow me to run the LCD TV as a monitor at a full 1920x1080 resolution? I have a video card that will support this. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 30 16:17:42 2007 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:17:42 -0500 Subject: Recommendations for AGP video card Message-ID: <4777C4A6.6030906@rogers.com> Currently my desktop has a GeForce FX 5500 (analog and DVI output) which is proving to be a bit flaky when connected to my new (for Xmas) LG L196WTQ 19" LCD monitor. The vid card's flakiness is apparent in both Win XP and Mepis 6.5 & 7. As a precaution, I checked the monitor against another system and it's fine. In Windows the screen blacks out randomly for a second or two and in Mepis there are many inoperative pixels at the edges of the screen The monitor's resolution is 1440 x 900 and I made the necessary edits to xorg.conf. I want to replace this card and what I need are recommendations for a card to replace this one (no more than $100.00). TIA John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 30 17:47:34 2007 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:47:34 -0500 Subject: Semi-OT: DVI-to-HDMI cables In-Reply-To: <1f13df280712300713p3215ff30nbbee3e1755fb54b8-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280712300713p3215ff30nbbee3e1755fb54b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071230124734.26e3517d.tleslie@tcn.net> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10419&cs_id=1041902&p_id=2029&seq=1&format=2 rather then a whole cable, for 4$, assuming the genders are what you need, but its probably 4$ for other types of convertors as well (see bottom of page). Maybe your getting prices for cables from "The Source" they usually have a 50,000% mark up :) -tl On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:13:08 -0500 "Giles Orr" wrote: > I'm considering buying a 1080p LCD TV and perhaps this isn't OT at all > because I have every intention of using it as a monitor with Linux as > well as for movies. A friend has an older Sceptre 37" and we had very > little trouble getting it set up at 1920x1080 with Linux - but it has > a VGA in. A few of the current batch of LCD TVs come with VGA ins, > and I think I've seen one or two with DVI ins, but pretty much all of > the ones I'm looking at come with HDMI ins. So if I don't get DVI/VGA > in, and I buy one of those ludicrously expensive DVI-to-HDMI cables > (currently about $75 each), would it allow me to run the LCD TV as a > monitor at a full 1920x1080 resolution? I have a video card that will > support this. > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 30 18:03:45 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:03:45 -0500 Subject: Phisher of the Week In-Reply-To: <7438.99.232.68.237.1198892008.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <7438.99.232.68.237.1198892008.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20071230180345.GA3979@waltdnes.org> On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 08:33:28PM -0500, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote > > As part of Fore Arts & Craft Ltd..... > ^^^^ > The Fore people found to be eating the brains of dead relatives in Papua > New Guinea, thereby spreading a prion-based disease. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fore_%28people%29 > > An unfortunate choice of company name, I would say... Well, sometimes shit happens. Back in the 1940's, a trademark was registered for a dietary supplement. I think the guy's name was Andrew Young, or something like that. He named his dietary supplement after himself. Since "Andrew Young's Dietary Supplement" was a mouthfull to say, it was shortened to AYDS. He sold the brand to another company, which was bought by another company, etc. The product was actually quite successful in the late 1970's and early 1980's, with the slogan that "AYDS helps you lose wight". Then disaster struck. You can actually find some old commercials for it on Google video, etc. -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 30 18:33:18 2007 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:33:18 -0500 Subject: OT: Apologies to anybody whose email to me got rejected Message-ID: <20071230183318.GB3979@waltdnes.org> I was a customer of clss.net's MX hosting, which disappeared off the face of the earth in early October (around the time of the CIHOst break in at Chicago). I've been using DomainDirect's redirector to my dialup account since then. Apparently, DomainDirect's redirector service (hostedemail.com) has built-in spam-blocking, which is not configurable by the user. I've heard from one person who had an email to me blocked, there may be others. I had intended to do something sooner, but was having major problems with my ADSL service. I solved those problems by switching over from Cybersurf to Teksavvy, and I finally got around to setting up an account with cotse.net. As of now my domain MX looks like so... [m3000][waltdnes][~] host -t MX waltdnes.org waltdnes.org mail is handled by 10 mail.cotse.net. It may take a few more hours to fully propagate the change through the system. I'm already seeing a few messages from some mailing lists showing up in my Cotse inbox. I pull them via POP3-SSL. Cotse gives me full control over my filtering/blocking, so I won't be able to point the finger of blame at anybody else over false positives ;) -- Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 30 19:47:44 2007 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:47:44 -0500 Subject: Phisher of the Week In-Reply-To: <20071230180345.GA3979-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <7438.99.232.68.237.1198892008.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20071230180345.GA3979@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <473c25250712301147v7cb5dce2u8d2c3a3a53671033@mail.gmail.com> On 12/30/07, Walter Dnes wrote: > Well, sometimes shit happens. Back in the 1940's, a trademark was > registered for a dietary supplement. I think the guy's name was Andrew > Young, or something like that. He named his dietary supplement after > himself. Since "Andrew Young's Dietary Supplement" was a mouthfull to > say, it was shortened to AYDS. He sold the brand to another company, > which was bought by another company, etc. The product was actually > quite successful in the late 1970's and early 1980's, with the slogan > that "AYDS helps you lose wight". Then disaster struck. You can > actually find some old commercials for it on Google video, etc. > > -- > Walter Dnes > I'm not repeating myself > I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user I had no idea. That must have been where that South Park episode's inspiration was from. (the one where Jared from Subway told everyone that he really lost weight due to aides, his personal assistants, but everyone thought he said AIDS). Sorry that this is a little OT -- Brandon Sandrowicz -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 30 20:32:03 2007 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:32:03 -0500 Subject: Recommendations for AGP video card In-Reply-To: <4777C4A6.6030906-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4777C4A6.6030906@rogers.com> Message-ID: <47780043.7060809@pppoe.ca> John McGregor wrote: > Currently my desktop has a GeForce FX 5500 (analog and DVI output) which > is proving to be a bit flaky when connected to my new (for Xmas) LG > L196WTQ 19" LCD monitor. The vid card's flakiness is apparent in both > Win XP and Mepis 6.5 & 7. As a precaution, I checked the monitor against > another system and it's fine. In Windows the screen blacks out randomly > for a second or two and in Mepis there are many inoperative pixels at > the edges of the screen The monitor's resolution is 1440 x 900 and I > made the necessary edits to xorg.conf. I want to replace this card and > what I need are recommendations for a card to replace this one (no more > than $100.00). > This morning, I connected an Acer X193W (19" LCD) to my old Asus V9520 Magic (AGP GeForce FX 5200) card. The resolution is 1440 x 900 in Windows XP and Debian Etch (nv driver). I updated the Windows XP driver. No complaints so far. Unless you have some special requirements, most cards should do. There are a couple of Asus AGP cards at the Filtech website, http://www.filtechcomputer.com/#AGP%20Cards at about $40/$50. Regards Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 31 11:28:31 2007 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:28:31 -0500 Subject: Semi-OT: DVI-to-HDMI cables In-Reply-To: <1f13df280712300713p3215ff30nbbee3e1755fb54b8-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>; from gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org on Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 10:13:08 -0500 References: <1f13df280712300713p3215ff30nbbee3e1755fb54b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071231112831.GA2006@localhost> On Sun Dec 30,2007 10:13:08 AM Giles Orr wrote: > So if I don't get in, and I buy one of those ludicrously > expensive DVI-to-HDMI cables (currently about $75 each) [...] DVI-HDMI cables don't have to be expensive. Monoprice (as also mentioned by Ted Leslie) has them, via U.S. mail order, for a much lower price. I recently picked up a 6 foot one from Sayal Electronics for $10. They also had a nice 15 foot one with a braided cover for around $16.