Smalltalk Club

[Evan Leibovitch]

Chris Cunnington wrote:

>Although Debian has not included Sqeuak (the Smalltalk virtual machine) in its distro yet,
>
Yet? Has Debian made any announced intention to change their mind and 
include non-free (as in speech) software? Smalltalk is not open source 
(using the OSI guidelines) or free software (under the GNU guidelines), 
and that situation seems unlikely to change.

> as the licensing details have not been reset from the form Apple made for them in 1996, I'm not going to wait.
>  
>
Why have you been you waiting? For a Toronto Smalltalk group to exist, 
or for Apple to make Squeak truly free software so that Debian will 
include it?

If it's the former, there's no need to wait because a group already exists.
If it's the latter, you likely have a very long wait ahead of you.

>I'm starting a Toronto ... Well, THE Toronto Smalltalk club.
>
>http://www.brokentomb.com
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>Yes, there is an existing club called the Toronto Smalltalk Users Group, but if they never have meetings (mine will be monthly) then are they really a club? 
>  
>
Pardon?
http://www.smalltalk.toronto.on.ca/schedule.htm

It looks like they have between three and five meetings a year; not 
everyone needs monthly. But that hardly constitutes the accusation of 
"never have meetings". Please do some research before pronouncing the 
existing group dead and yourself the definitive leader.

In any case, I suspect that existing community members would look rather 
unfavourably on your definition of Smalltalk as "a language for building 
web sites". Indeed, some folks here at TLUG might take issue with your 
website's dismissal  of Ruby, Python and Ajax as "barbarian languages".

So maybe it's just as well that you have your own club. Best of luck 
with it.

- Evan

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