From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 00:44:54 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:44:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Powerpoint Bloat In-Reply-To: References: <50930.207.188.65.194.1141098832.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4404653B.2030103@telly.org> <50163.207.188.65.194.1141143266.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200602281127.28967.interlug@weait.net> Message-ID: <50487.207.188.65.194.1141173894.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > > >> The genericness of XML allows us to apply DTDs to non-web documents as >> well. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^ >> '--- That is _SO_ a word. Lousy spell checker. ;-) > > ubiquitousness ? ;-) No, ubiquitous implies 'everywhere'. How about: generality [-or-] general nature -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 01:42:54 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 03:42:54 +0200 (IST) Subject: Powerpoint Bloat In-Reply-To: <50487.207.188.65.194.1141173894.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50930.207.188.65.194.1141098832.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4404653B.2030103@telly.org> <50163.207.188.65.194.1141143266.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200602281127.28967.interlug@weait.net> <50487.207.188.65.194.1141173894.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> The genericness of XML allows us to apply DTDs to non-web documents as >>> well. >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> '--- That is _SO_ a word. Lousy spell checker. ;-) >> >> ubiquitousness ? ;-) > > No, ubiquitous implies 'everywhere'. How about: > > generality [-or-] general nature universality ? Why is it that every time one tries to say something clever in English, one has to resort to Latin words ? ;-) Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 01:49:06 2006 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:49:06 -0500 Subject: MP3 Players In-Reply-To: <4403BB56.5020103-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4403BB56.5020103@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4404FD92.9000908@golden.net> John Moniz wrote: > My daughter is hoping for an MP3 player for her birthday. I just > checked the Sony line at their store and started losing interest in > the Sony products when the salesman insisted I was required to use the > Sony PC software to load music to the player (it compresses the songs > even further, supposedly). I couldn't get past the point with him that > I was not going to use his proprietary software. > > From people's experiences, do any of the USB MP3 players get > recognized as a drive in Linux so I can do a simple MP3 file transfer? > Are there any players known to be trouble with Linux? > > Thanks for any advice. > > John. > Some of the iRiver and Samsung units support mp3 and also the better open format ogg. Most of these devices can be set up to automount if not already by most current distros. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 02:12:29 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:12:29 -0500 Subject: Powerpoint Bloat In-Reply-To: References: <50930.207.188.65.194.1141098832.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4404653B.2030103@telly.org> <50163.207.188.65.194.1141143266.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200602281127.28967.interlug@weait.net> <50487.207.188.65.194.1141173894.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: Peter wrote: > > > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >>>> The genericness of XML allows us to apply DTDs to non-web documents as >>>> well. >>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>> '--- That is _SO_ a word. Lousy spell checker. ;-) >>> >>> ubiquitousness ? ;-) >> >> No, ubiquitous implies 'everywhere'. How about: >> >> generality [-or-] general nature > > universality ? Why is it that every time one tries to say something > clever in English, one has to resort to Latin words ? ;-) > > Peter Because around 24% of English words derive from Latin. Another 24% from Old French, many of which are from Old Latin and Greek. Only about 23% of English words are derived from English, Germanic, and Dutch languages combined. Having 3 words to say nearly the same thing means that differentiation occurs where once there was none -- shades of meaning. English words tend to be simple and commonly used, French, less so, and Latin even less -- thus register changes to high register where Latin words are involved, sounding rather more clever ;) Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 02:18:59 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:18:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: swap audio channels? Message-ID: <87d5h6vre5.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> Is it possible to do this in software? The physical layout of my desk forces me to place the R speaker on the left and vice versa. Actually, I don't much mind the channels being reversed for playback (though it's still a bit confusing when I put on the headphones), but where it really matters is for the mixer. I use the stock snd_via82xx driver from ALSA, as included in kernel.org 2.6 kernels. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 02:38:01 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:38:01 -0500 Subject: swap audio channels? In-Reply-To: <87d5h6vre5.fsf-t7sX3kVlCqdeaUtoeC/G4l6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org> References: <87d5h6vre5.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> Message-ID: <200602282138.01315.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Tuesday 28 February 2006 21:18, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > Is it possible to do this in software? The physical layout of my desk > forces me to place the R speaker on the left and vice versa. > Actually, I don't much mind the channels being reversed for playback > (though it's still a bit confusing when I put on the headphones), > but where it really matters is for the mixer. > > I use the stock snd_via82xx driver from ALSA, as included in kernel.org > 2.6 kernels. Add this to your /etc/asound.conf pcm.swapped { type route slave.pcm "hw:0" ttable.0.1 1 ttable.1.0 1 } http://alsa.opensrc.org/faq/#FAQ041 -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 02:51:18 2006 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:51:18 -0500 Subject: Powerpoint Bloat In-Reply-To: References: <50930.207.188.65.194.1141098832.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <200602282151.18730.marc@lijour.net> > Because around 24% of English words derive from Latin. Another 24% from Old > French, many of which are from Old Latin and Greek. Only about 23% of > English words are derived from English, Germanic, and Dutch languages > combined. Having 3 words to say nearly the same thing means that > differentiation occurs where once there was none -- shades of meaning. > English words tend to be simple and commonly used, French, less so, and > Latin even less -- thus register changes to high register where Latin words > are involved, sounding rather more clever ;) "French" influence comes in 2 parts: first the Normands, which where the descendants of Vikings who took power on the western France and then got to England. They spoke their own dialect. Then came the French which was different. It is interesting to notice the influence over the time. For example, "to carry" comes from the Normand "Ker" (I am not sure about the orthography but the sound is a K sound). The same word gave "charrier" in French, with a CH sound. These son of Vikings were great conquerors. They also won the Sicily over the Africans and they reigned peacefully for a hundred years.. They also got a space in a TLUG thread dedicated to Power point!... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 03:12:23 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:12:23 -0500 Subject: spellcheck in openoffice not working In-Reply-To: <20060228203232.GA7730-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10602280933p3165e94ake74304530d32885@mail.gmail.com> <200602281318.09158.interlug@weait.net> <61e9e2b10602281045od362528l32bb34a92785f121@mail.gmail.com> <20060228203232.GA7730@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10602281912x39badf24sd1faf6354c7dd0e1@mail.gmail.com> On 2/28/06, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I've only looked in Debian testing, but there isn't anything for the > Canadian dictionary. I use the UK dictionary, and so the programs that > I install are these: > > myspell-dictionary-en-gb > openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-gb > openoffice.org2-thesaurus-en-gb > openoffice.org-help-en-gb-2.0.1 > openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb > > Once those are installed I didn't have to do anything else - other than > set the languages in the menu, as myself and others have suggested. > -- I have everything installed and set under Tools->Options, but no spellcheck - not for the Canadian, US, or UK dictionaries. Bit of a puzzle - never had a problem with this before. Thanks for the help, though. I will be installing Kanotix sometime this week on another box, and I will see if the problem duplicates itself and puzzle my way through it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 05:02:13 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:02:13 -0500 Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car Message-ID: <44052AD5.7070808@telly.org> http://www.technoride.com/article/Microsoft+Fiat+Launch+BlueMe+/172194_1.aspx Why am I not surprised that their partner is Fiat? And why is the project called "blew me"? - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 05:07:16 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:07:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Key signing / web of trust Was: spellcheck In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0602281145s6ab851a3sefdf1ae4b142b915-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10602280933p3165e94ake74304530d32885@mail.gmail.com> <20060228174637.GA7360@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <200602281325.47517.interlug@weait.net> <99a6c38f0602281145s6ab851a3sefdf1ae4b142b915@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87veuyu518.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> Scott> I'd be interested. Mee too. Scott> Back in '04 I remember this came up, but IIRC Scott> didn't work out very well. Perhaps a Wiki entry (and a mailing Scott> list reminder or two) a couple months before the actual event Scott> date might collect enough interested parties to make it Scott> worthwhile? There is also this: http://www.biglumber.com/ Scott> An alternate idea might be to make signing available at the LWNW Scott> 2k6 GTALUG booth? See the other subthread where they suggest LinuxCafe. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 05:09:41 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:09:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car In-Reply-To: <44052AD5.7070808-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <44052AD5.7070808@telly.org> Message-ID: <87r75mu4x7.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> Evan> Why am I not surprised that their partner is Fiat? And why is the Evan> project called "blew me"? Is Fiat known for obnoxious anti-competitive practices? -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 08:49:36 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:49:36 +0000 Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car In-Reply-To: <87r75mu4x7.fsf-t7sX3kVlCqdeaUtoeC/G4l6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org> References: <44052AD5.7070808@telly.org> <87r75mu4x7.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> Message-ID: <44056020.6090607@zen.co.uk> At least they are not designing a car security system, Paul Ian Zimmerman wrote: >Evan> Why am I not surprised that their partner is Fiat? And why is the >Evan> project called "blew me"? > >Is Fiat known for obnoxious anti-competitive practices? > > > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 08:51:31 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:51:31 +0000 Subject: resource project Message-ID: <44056093.8050604@zen.co.uk> Hi Does anyone know if resource project is still going, I have tried to e-mail their volunteer address bit it's unroutable, so I have tried a different contact address from their home page. http://www.resourceproject.org/html/contact.html Thanks Paul -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 12:25:01 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 07:25:01 -0500 Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car In-Reply-To: <44052AD5.7070808-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <44052AD5.7070808@telly.org> Message-ID: <4405929D.9000300@rogers.com> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > http://www.technoride.com/article/Microsoft+Fiat+Launch+BlueMe+/172194_1.aspx > > > Why am I not surprised that their partner is Fiat? > And why is the project called "blew me"? Well, if you're ever driving one, you'd better hope the windshield doesn't turn blue! ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 12:26:23 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 07:26:23 -0500 Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car In-Reply-To: <44056020.6090607-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <44052AD5.7070808@telly.org> <87r75mu4x7.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> <44056020.6090607@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <440592EF.9010207@rogers.com> Paul Sutton wrote: > At least they are not designing a car security system, Can you imagine getting a BSOD in the middle of the 401? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 12:38:47 2006 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 07:38:47 -0500 Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car In-Reply-To: <440592EF.9010207-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <44056020.6090607@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <44054F87.16375.13F3B4E2@localhost> Recall all those jokes from a GM exec regarding "What if Microsoft Built Cars?" Examples: If they repaint the lines on the road (to say a slightly different width) you have to buy a new car. Before the airbags are deployed, a yellow button lights up on the dash: "Are you sure?" Now, a new slate of jokes regarding BSOD, hackers, and viruses. :-) Paul On 1 Mar 2006 at 7:26, James Knott (James Knott ) spaketh these wourdes: > Paul Sutton wrote: > > At least they are not designing a car security system, > > Can you imagine getting a BSOD in the middle of the 401? ;-) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 12:54:51 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 07:54:51 -0500 Subject: MP3 Players In-Reply-To: <4403BB56.5020103-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4403BB56.5020103@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4405999B.3060909@georgetown.wehave.net> John Moniz wrote: > From people's experiences, do any of the USB MP3 players get recognized > as a drive in Linux so I can do a simple MP3 file transfer? Are there > any players known to be trouble with Linux? I have a Sansa 1GB player (made by Sandisk), works just fine in Linux. Feature-wise it's a little lacking (no ogg, fairly dumb menus) but it works great and has an FM tuner. $119 at Costco if you're interested. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 13:18:15 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:18:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: resource project In-Reply-To: <44056093.8050604-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <44056093.8050604@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060301131815.10586.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Paul Sutton wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone know if resource project is still going, > I have tried to > e-mail their volunteer address bit it's unroutable, > so I have tried a > different contact address from their home page. > > http://www.resourceproject.org/html/contact.html > > Thanks > > Paul I'm involved with the ReSource Project, how can I help? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 15:27:32 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:27:32 -0500 Subject: Firefox and UIM/Canna Message-ID: <4405BD64.2050900@alteeve.com> Hi all, Has anyone had a problem running Firefox (installed from the latest tar) and UIM (user input method) and/or Canna (Japanese input server) on Debian Sarge? I find that when I switch to 'canna' from 'direct' using the UIM gnome panel applet (in case that makes a difference) it gets very difficult to enter test into either the address bar or into a field when firefox brings up the history box with matches below where I type. I have to hold the given key down for a second or so while the box blinks before I get a character in. As soon as I switch back to 'direct' though firefox works fine again. Thanks for any help! Madison PS - I did google for this problem but the pages I found where mostly in Japanese and my Japanese language skills aren't good enough yet to read them... :p -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 16:45:44 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:45:44 +0000 Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car In-Reply-To: <4405929D.9000300-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <44052AD5.7070808@telly.org> <4405929D.9000300@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4405CFB8.3060204@zen.co.uk> On a more serious note, I think the more toys and distractions there are in cars, the potential for accidents increases, there are laws here in the UK regarding eating, or using a mobile phone while driving, as it's takes your attention away from driving, in a similar way as putting a cassette or cd in to a player does, in that split second anything could happen your eyes are off the road. , in a city some one could run out in front of a car, either yours or the one up the street, a ball could roll in to the road, meaning someone has to break or swerve, forcing you to react accordingly, if you are focused on the road in front you can react quicker than if part of that focus is elsewhere, is talking to your car navigation system (and have it not recognise your voice properly ) any different to talking into the phone in terms of brain activity, this would make a intersting research paper, for someone at university, I don't actually drive, however I do find as with any activity that requires concentration, even the slightest distraction can sometimes throw your concentration, you could get distracted and type rm -r / dirname instead of rm -r /dirname if someone distracts you, while not the same as perhaps hitting someone while driving, the results are in every way disasterous. Even a small thing such as something rolling around in the trunk (or boot as we call it), can be distracting, esp when it sounds like part of the car is falling off. What do people think to this, are all these additions a good thing, in a car, Regardless of who writes the software. Probably a bit off topic, but I think related to technology in cars, It has it's place, perhaps as accurate fuel gauge, or even as a distance counter, or as a computer controlled air bag,. Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 17:25:12 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:25:12 -0500 Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car In-Reply-To: <4405CFB8.3060204-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <44052AD5.7070808@telly.org> <4405929D.9000300@rogers.com> <4405CFB8.3060204@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060301172512.GA14010@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 04:45:44PM +0000, Paul Sutton wrote: >is talking to your car navigation system (and have it not recognise your >voice properly ) any different to talking into the phone in terms of >brain activity, this would make a intersting research paper, for >someone at university, I don't actually drive, however I do find as My wife's lab at U of T has written a paper on this topic - I'll get the reference and post it to the list. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[-- excerpt starts --] From: INDUSTRY-INDUSTRIE Date: Mar 1, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: March Declared "Fraud Prevention Month" in Canada and Around the World To: "Undisclosed Recipients at ICGC" Date: 2006-03-01 OTTAWA, March 1, 2006 -- Law enforcement agencies from Canada and the United States joined forces today, in Ottawa, to officially launch Fraud Prevention Month and explain how partnerships are key in fighting the global scourge of fraud. "Fraud is a serious problem that undermines consumer confidence and drains billions from legitimate markets around the world. It cannot be solved by law enforcement alone," said Sheridan Scott, Commissioner of Competition. "As Chair of the Fraud Prevention Forum, we work closely with partners in law enforcement, consumer and volunteer groups, government and the private sector to fight fraud aimed at consumers and businesses." During the month of March, Fraud Prevention Forum (FPF) members will raise awareness of the dangers of fraud, while educating the public on how to "Recognize it, Report it and Stop it." Millions of printed fraud prevention material will be distributed and public service announcements will air across the country, in English and French. "The concept of crime prevention is to prevent victimization. By educating and involving the community in crime prevention initiatives, it is anticipated that we will see a reduction in crime," said Detective Superintendent Bob Goodall, OPP Anti-Rackets Section. "It is essential that law enforcement, the private sector and consumers work together to identify, apprehend and prosecute those responsible and to prevent future occurrences." The FPF's reach is international. This month, over 24 countries who form the International Consumer Protection and Enforcement Network have committed to raising public awareness worldwide, with their own Fraud Prevention Month campaigns. "Law enforcement agencies are very concerned about financial crime and we are working diligently with our domestic and international partners to combat this transnational problem," said Wayne Watson, Chief Superintendent, RCMP. "People operating frauds are increasingly using international borders to try to escape the consequences of their actions," said C. Steven Baker, Director of the U.S. Federal Trade Commission's Midwest Region. "The U.S. and Canada are leading the world in showing that we can work together and protect consumers on both sides of the border." To report incidence of fraud or to learn more about how to protect themselves from fraud, Canadians can call PhoneBusters, the national anti-fraud call centre, at 1-888-495-8501. Canadians can also report fraud on-line through Reporting Economic Crime Online (RECOL) at www.recol.ca. RECOL is an RCMP initiative that involves an integrated partnership between international, federal and provincial law enforcement agencies and the private sector. In addition, citizens are encouraged to contact their local police. For a complete list of FPF partners, please visit www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/fraud. [-- excerpt ends --] -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 18:33:57 2006 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 13:33:57 -0500 Subject: USB memory stick: what brand, model is best? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4405E915.9020600@interlog.com> verbum-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Awkwardly, I don't have any experience with USB memory sticks, > and SOME caution evidently has to be exercised when shopping; [snip] > Can anyone make a shopping recommendation? I have used Intelli Sticks (256 and 512Meg versions IIRC), some Lexar(?) USB sticks (the ones that come in orange, green, and red cases based on their size), and a third version (unfortunately can't remember their name right now). I have booted Linux from all the above types with no problems. I have tried a pair of 512Meg PNY Attache memory sticks. Experience with them so far says to stay away from them. > On February 19, 2006 10:05 pm, Daniel Armstrong wrote: > Damn Small Linux ( http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ ) is a 50mb Live CD, that > can create a boot floppy that then boots from a USB. You can boot DSL from a USB memory stick without the use of a floppy disk. I know because I have done it when I was testing out small Linux distros as part of a project I was working on for a client. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 18:53:03 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:53:03 +0000 Subject: USB memory stick: what brand, model is best? In-Reply-To: <4405E915.9020600-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <4405E915.9020600@interlog.com> Message-ID: On 3/1/06, Kevin Cozens wrote: > You can boot DSL from a USB memory stick without the use of a floppy disk. > I know because I have done it when I was testing out small Linux distros as > part of a project I was working on for a client. I booted Debian for AMD64 from a USB memory stick the last time I built a system. I hadn't bought a floppy drive for the machine, and burning little CDs seemed much more trouble than it was worth. Tossing the initial image onto a USB stick worked out fine, getting me as far as getting the network working, at which point it could bootstrap off a Debian mirror... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 20:45:39 2006 From: frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 15:45:39 -0500 Subject: Database engine cluster on lLinux for rent and sale In-Reply-To: <20060219235847.GA3995-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20060219235847.GA3995@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <8C80B883BF49B4F-197C-119C2@mblkn-m06.sysops.aol.com> Hi, I have a Sequoia 2.61 database cluster on the Internet for rent for only $100/month and for sale for $1000(2G memory, 80G hard drive). Also I have 5 other Linux computers, which made a Sequoia 2.61 database cluster, for sale for $2000 only. The overall performance of a cluster will beat one single Oracle or DB2. The benefit for database clustering is that it is fault tolerant and scalable and performance improvable. The read requests will be dispatched to many database engines. The write requests will be no slower than one database. It will be always working unless all of the nodes are crashed. Frank Peng -----Original Message----- From: Walter Dnes To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:58:48 -0500 Subject: [TLUG]: If Google boycotted countries... ...that ignored international conventions, held prisoners without trial, and tortured those prisoners ...they'd have to shut down their American operations. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 21:18:42 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:18:42 -0500 Subject: OT: BitTorrent, encryption, traffic shaping and the Internet Message-ID: <44060FB2.9090103@pppoe.ca> Does anyone know of encrypted bittorrents and traffic shaping? This appeared in the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4758636.stm I find downloading isos by BitTorrent slower these days. I thought it was dues to traffic shaping by my ISP but if this catches on, I won't be surprised that encrypted bittorrents may be declared "illegal". Excepts from the above article: "...As of last weekend the three biggest torrent programs carry automatic encryption... However all this made us think the following: if torrent traffic is 30% and more of the internet, and it's going encrypted at a rate of knots, then where does that leave the spooks, spies and other law enforcement professionals who sit around monitoring the internet all day?..." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 1 22:22:19 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:22:19 -0500 Subject: OT: BitTorrent, encryption, traffic shaping and the Internet In-Reply-To: <44060FB2.9090103-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <44060FB2.9090103@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <44061E9B.3030009@pppoe.ca> Meng Cheah wrote: > Does anyone know of encrypted bittorrents and traffic shaping? > > This appeared in the BBC: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4758636.stm > > I find downloading isos by BitTorrent slower these days. I thought it > was dues to traffic shaping by my ISP but if this catches on, I won't > be surprised that encrypted bittorrents may be declared "illegal". > > Excepts from the above article: > "...As of last weekend the three biggest torrent programs carry > automatic encryption... > However all this made us think the following: if torrent traffic is > 30% and more of the internet, and it's going encrypted at a rate of > knots, then where does that leave the spooks, spies and other law > enforcement professionals who sit around monitoring the internet all > day?..." > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > Oops. Allow me to rephrase "Does anyone know of encrypted bittorrents and traffic shaping?" to "How do you detect if your ISP is using traffic shaping?' -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 00:27:18 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:27:18 -0500 Subject: System slowdown on large disk writes Message-ID: <20060302002718.GA14861@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I have noticed that when doing huge IO operations I get a system slowdown until the operation finishes. I don't notice unless the read/write (and it seems to have to be both) is really big, but it bothers me that it slows my whole machine down. A great way for me to replicate it is to copy a DVD iso from one place to another (mv'ing it obviously doesn't demonstrate the behaviour at all.) I seem to have DMA enabled, according to hdparm, so I'm curious as to what accounts for the behaviour, and what I can do about it. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 01:13:51 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:13:51 -0500 Subject: hp psc 1610 in FC2 In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20602230719u73016c6co2e19aa1dde7621a1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060223143420.1963.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <4386c5b20602230719u73016c6co2e19aa1dde7621a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <440646CF.7050105@vianet.ca> Aaron Vegh wrote: >Hi there, >There is apparently a solution provided by HP for this printer. > >I found your printer on this page, listed as supported: > >http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/productsmf.php#service > >And apparently the driver package you need, HPLIP, is avialable from here: > >http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/install.php#HPLIP > >Good luck! > > Thank you. Just thought I'd let you know I got printing going. Even though the instructions were for FC3/4 I ignored that, proceeded to install into FC2 and I'm printing now. I haven't got network printing going or explored the scanner capability but I thought I'd let you know I took list advice and it worked. :) Sincerely, Chris Aitken >Aaron. > > >On 2/23/06, caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >>Is the HP PSC 1610 supported in linux? I'm running FC2. >> >>Chris >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> >> >> >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zhunt-KdxWn004MjY at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 02:11:39 2006 From: zhunt-KdxWn004MjY at public.gmane.org (Zoltan) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:11:39 -0600 Subject: OT: BitTorrent, encryption, traffic shaping and the Internet In-Reply-To: <44061E9B.3030009-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <44060FB2.9090103@pppoe.ca> <44061E9B.3030009@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <4406545B.3070508@zee4.com> Meng Cheah wrote: > Meng Cheah wrote: > >> Does anyone know of encrypted bittorrents and traffic shaping? >> >> This appeared in the BBC: >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4758636.stm >> >> I find downloading isos by BitTorrent slower these days. I thought it >> was dues to traffic shaping by my ISP but if this catches on, I won't >> be surprised that encrypted bittorrents may be declared "illegal". >> >> Excepts from the above article: >> "...As of last weekend the three biggest torrent programs carry >> automatic encryption... >> However all this made us think the following: if torrent traffic is >> 30% and more of the internet, and it's going encrypted at a rate of >> knots, then where does that leave the spooks, spies and other law >> enforcement professionals who sit around monitoring the internet all >> day?..." >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> > Oops. > Allow me to rephrase "Does anyone know of encrypted bittorrents and > traffic shaping?" > to "How do you detect if your ISP is using traffic shaping?' > This should give you the basics: http://www.yyztech.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=73 The story has been going around for the last few months that Rogers is employing some kind of traffic shaping for BT clients. As for detecting it, as far as I know, the only way would be if you notice your transfer speeds have dropped drastically since you originally used it. -- www.YYZTech.ca Toronto talks tech. www.Dine.TO Toronto's premier restaurant search engine. Get Thunderbird -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 01:30:35 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:30:35 -0500 Subject: System slowdown on large disk writes In-Reply-To: <20060302002718.GA14861-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060302002718.GA14861@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1141263036.4928.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 19:27 -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I have noticed that when doing huge IO operations I get a system > slowdown until the operation finishes. I don't notice unless the > read/write (and it seems to have to be both) is really big, but it > bothers me that it slows my whole machine down. A great way for me to > replicate it is to copy a DVD iso from one place to another (mv'ing it > obviously doesn't demonstrate the behaviour at all.) I seem to have DMA > enabled, according to hdparm, so I'm curious as to what accounts for the > behaviour, and what I can do about it. Thanks. What version of the kernel are you using and what distro? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 01:51:02 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:51:02 -0500 Subject: OT: BitTorrent, encryption, traffic shaping and the Internet In-Reply-To: <4406545B.3070508-KdxWn004MjY@public.gmane.org> References: <44060FB2.9090103@pppoe.ca> <44061E9B.3030009@pppoe.ca> <4406545B.3070508@zee4.com> Message-ID: <44064F86.6020401@pppoe.ca> Zoltan wrote: > Meng Cheah wrote: >> Oops. >> Allow me to rephrase "Does anyone know of encrypted bittorrents and >> traffic shaping?" >> to "How do you detect if your ISP is using traffic shaping?' > This should give you the basics: > http://www.yyztech.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=73 > > The story has been going around for the last few months that Rogers is > employing some kind of traffic shaping for BT clients. > As for detecting it, as far as I know, the only way would be if you > notice your transfer speeds have dropped drastically since you > originally used it. > Thanks. I was looking up how to detect traffic shaping and couldn't find anything than what you wrote above. I'm downloading Gentoo using uTorrent on Windows to see if it is any faster. Getting about 175kB/s but I was getting that using BitTornado in Linux on the rare occassion (the last rare occassion was 2 days ago). Will experiment some more. Thanks again. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 02:12:03 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 21:12:03 -0500 Subject: System slowdown on large disk writes In-Reply-To: <1141263036.4928.2.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <20060302002718.GA14861@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <1141263036.4928.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060302021203.GA15125@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 08:30:35PM -0500, John Van Ostrand wrote: >On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 19:27 -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >> I have noticed that when doing huge IO operations I get a system >> slowdown until the operation finishes. I don't notice unless the >> read/write (and it seems to have to be both) is really big, but it >> bothers me that it slows my whole machine down. A great way for me to >> replicate it is to copy a DVD iso from one place to another (mv'ing it >> obviously doesn't demonstrate the behaviour at all.) I seem to have DMA >> enabled, according to hdparm, so I'm curious as to what accounts for the >> behaviour, and what I can do about it. Thanks. > >What version of the kernel are you using and what distro? Linux $hostname 2.6.15-1-k7 #1 Tue Feb 21 20:43:47 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux Debian testing. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 02:44:35 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 21:44:35 -0500 Subject: OT: BitTorrent, encryption, traffic shaping and the Internet In-Reply-To: <44064F86.6020401-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <44060FB2.9090103@pppoe.ca> <44061E9B.3030009@pppoe.ca> <4406545B.3070508@zee4.com> <44064F86.6020401@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <4386c5b20603011844v4c858637hc8146b9badde1d23@mail.gmail.com> It's worth noting that the traffic shaping is designed to limit UPLOAD rates, not download. Cable internet is pro at handling downloading, but crapola at uploads. As a result, I notice my download rates are fine, but uploads are a trickle...less than a 1K/sec, very often. According to the Rogers tech I spoke with, it should be higher than that, but they're still working on the technology... in short, they're still figuring it out. I've been seeing a lot abotu this today (it was on Digg, for goodness' sake!), so I'm going to try out the encryption with Azureus and see if it helps. Cheers, Aaron. On 3/1/06, Meng Cheah wrote: > Zoltan wrote: > > Meng Cheah wrote: > >> Oops. > >> Allow me to rephrase "Does anyone know of encrypted bittorrents and > >> traffic shaping?" > >> to "How do you detect if your ISP is using traffic shaping?' > > > This should give you the basics: > > http://www.yyztech.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=73 > > > > The story has been going around for the last few months that Rogers is > > employing some kind of traffic shaping for BT clients. > > As for detecting it, as far as I know, the only way would be if you > > notice your transfer speeds have dropped drastically since you > > originally used it. > > > > Thanks. I was looking up how to detect traffic shaping and couldn't find > anything than what you wrote above. > > I'm downloading Gentoo using uTorrent on Windows to see if it is any > faster. Getting about 175kB/s but I was getting that using BitTornado in > Linux on the rare occassion (the last rare occassion was 2 days ago). > Will experiment some more. Thanks again. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 03:03:20 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:03:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car In-Reply-To: <20060301172512.GA14010-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <44052AD5.7070808@telly.org> <4405929D.9000300@rogers.com> <4405CFB8.3060204@zen.co.uk> <20060301172512.GA14010@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <50981.207.188.65.194.1141268600.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> A buddy of mine attended the most recent CES. Microsoft apparently had a booth demonstrating their home control system (Microsoft Home). At the time my friend was by that booth, the salesman was explaining that the demo couldn't take place 'because the network was down'. One wonders if that means that you couldn't say, leave the house because the security system isn't working, or you couldn't microwave something to eat because the oven isn't talking to the fridge etc etc. I don't think I'm ready to entrust these guys with my car ... or home. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 03:05:48 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:05:48 -0500 Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car In-Reply-To: <440592EF.9010207-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <44052AD5.7070808@telly.org> <87r75mu4x7.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> <44056020.6090607@zen.co.uk> <440592EF.9010207@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990603011905y54423584ie68d8d0ece37de86@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/06, James Knott wrote: > Paul Sutton wrote: > > At least they are not designing a car security system, > > Can you imagine getting a BSOD in the middle of the 401? ;-) A blue windshield of death.. literally! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 03:37:19 2006 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:37:19 -0500 Subject: PCB Help... Again? Message-ID: <4406686F.1040001@alteeve.com> Ok, I've been working on this project for nearly 2 years. Had to re-install PCB twice due to upgrading linux underneath it, and now my printer is dead. I've been working on 2 cartredge boards for an old videogame system. The first is nearly done, but I can't check it against the original as my printer is dead. The second is much more involved, as its a multicart with an io port. Not even started. I need to have these done by mid April. As I can't do this fast enough on my own... I'm looking for some help to get this done. Am willing to make a deal, but doubt I could afford professional services. If you want to know more, Please Email me. Thanks, Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 04:36:56 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:36:56 -0500 Subject: OT: BitTorrent, encryption, traffic shaping and the Internet In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20603011844v4c858637hc8146b9badde1d23-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <44060FB2.9090103@pppoe.ca> <44061E9B.3030009@pppoe.ca> <4406545B.3070508@zee4.com> <44064F86.6020401@pppoe.ca> <4386c5b20603011844v4c858637hc8146b9badde1d23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44067668.4010301@utoronto.ca> Aaron Vegh wrote: > It's worth noting that the traffic shaping is designed to limit UPLOAD > rates, not download. Cable internet is pro at handling downloading, > but crapola at uploads. As a result, I notice my download rates are > fine, but uploads are a trickle...less than a 1K/sec, very often. > According to the Rogers tech I spoke with, it should be higher than > that, but they're still working on the technology... in short, they're > still figuring it out. > > I've been seeing a lot abotu this today (it was on Digg, for goodness' > sake!), so I'm going to try out the encryption with Azureus and see if > it helps. > > Cheers, > Aaron. Just please don't use encryption and tor, or tor at all with bit-torrent for that matter. Not sure abot I2P, but I know that tor frowns upon bit torrent traffic. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 14:12:47 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:12:47 -0500 Subject: System slowdown on large disk writes In-Reply-To: <20060302002718.GA14861-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060302002718.GA14861@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060302141247.GA3534@ettin> What is the size and filesystem of the partitions you are copying from and to? -- Neil Watson | Gentoo Linux Network Administrator | Uptime 4 days http://watson-wilson.ca | 2.6.11.4 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ x 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 14:46:12 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:46:12 -0500 Subject: OT: BitTorrent, encryption, traffic shaping and the Internet In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20603011844v4c858637hc8146b9badde1d23-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <44060FB2.9090103@pppoe.ca> <44061E9B.3030009@pppoe.ca> <4406545B.3070508@zee4.com> <44064F86.6020401@pppoe.ca> <4386c5b20603011844v4c858637hc8146b9badde1d23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44070534.7020309@utoronto.ca> Aaron Vegh wrote: > It's worth noting that the traffic shaping is designed to limit UPLOAD > rates, not download. Cable internet is pro at handling downloading, > but crapola at uploads. As a result, I notice my download rates are > fine, but uploads are a trickle...less than a 1K/sec, very often. > According to the Rogers tech I spoke with, it should be higher than > that, but they're still working on the technology... in short, they're > still figuring it out. Are you behind a NAT Router? If so you need to port forward the bittorrent ports. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 15:51:48 2006 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 10:51:48 -0500 Subject: Windows Vista info link, looking for contrasting arguments Message-ID: <44071494.4090107@rogers.com> Hey all, So I caught this link off slashdot the other day, and actually gave it a read: "Why Windows Vista Won't Suck" http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1931914,00.asp Anyone who knows me knows my strong feelings about Microsoft (they're douchebags), but I have to admit, this was an interesting article (if correct) - if Vista actually delivers what it promises and it works (and I'm still skeptical here) perhaps M$ has finally hopped on the clue train. I'd say it's still horeshit, but some of the folks I work with (also *nix folks) have given it a go, and they said rather positive things, and I trust their opinions. Still, it's a beta... Has anyone seen any documents/articles that do a point-counterpoint or compare Vista to Linux/*nix? I'd like have something I can send to people (and perhaps post on our company blog) that would help take the wind out of their sails. Alot of the stuff in Vista is nothing new or remarkable; yet I'm sure Microsoft is gonna be hyping it like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and proof of their 'innovation' capabilities. I want to make them look bad. No FUD please; I'm sure the truth is good enough. If such a doc/article doesn't exist, I suggest a bunch of us get together, divvy up the article into smaller sections, research it, and put something together so we *do* have something like this. Cheers, B -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 16:40:39 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:40:39 -0500 Subject: OT: BitTorrent, encryption, traffic shaping and the Internet In-Reply-To: <44070534.7020309-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <44060FB2.9090103@pppoe.ca> <44061E9B.3030009@pppoe.ca> <4406545B.3070508@zee4.com> <44064F86.6020401@pppoe.ca> <4386c5b20603011844v4c858637hc8146b9badde1d23@mail.gmail.com> <44070534.7020309@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4386c5b20603020840v62c8416le636819b5cf54a82@mail.gmail.com> > Are you behind a NAT Router? If so you need to port forward the bittorrent ports. > I am, and I am... I don't think the router is the problem here... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 16:50:35 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:50:35 -0500 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: References: <44032B03.6070006@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <1141318235.4179.21.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Often companies buy into proprietary software which is convenient and then learn that they are subject to ridiculous EULAs (end user license agreements). While open source does present some challenges (they) are not as threatening to your freedom as some EULAS. What is really surprising is that some large software companies, even with all their vast financial resources are unable to produce a secure and reliable product. RickT http://www.TorontoNUI.ca On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 13:13 -0500, Randy Jonasz wrote: > Thanks Paul. > > The articles you mention look really interesting. One aspect of the > debate between proprietary and open source which I had not considered > is availability. How much downtime do Windows computers have versus > Linux. Everytime you update Windows, a reboot is most likely > required, while only the updated process on Linux needs to be > restarted. I mean should we rely on Windows for air traffic control > software? How much money is lost due to downtime? Then again you > have to consider training costs for both applications as well in your > consideration. > > If you strip away the hype, politics and fud, the issue is an > interesting one. > > > Thanks again, > > Randy > > On 2/27/06, Paul Sutton wrote: > > Have a look at this site, it may be useful for your > project, but > remember to list all sources of informatiion in a > bibliography, The > article near the top on the right hand side, may be > interesting, > > # Why OSS/FS? Look at the Numbers! (Paper) [Popular] > # Why FLOSS? Look at the Numbers! (Presentation) [Popular] > > http://www.dwheeler.com/ > > I guess one thing to consier is > > 1. If you replace Linux on the server, this is only a few > computers, > and as your a technican you are able to learn the software, > 2. If you replace windows on the desktop, you are dealing with > users (I > am in no way suggesting users are incapable, I know people > who use > computers but would rather, not, use them, where as others > are a bit > more open to chanage, while other users, are technically > minded and will > fiddle, and learn and be happy with a good manual on the > software and > don't need much help) suddenly expecting people used to > windows and MS > office to start using Linux / Open offiice isa big jump for > some, while > not for others, so I guess you should take this into > consideration > > Perhaps price out gradual changes, i.e change MS office to > Openoffice at > the next upgrade cycle, or even before that give copies of > Open office > away to staff, and help them learn (books like sams tys > openoffice.org > are a good start. and I guess reasonable price. > > Retraining costs, to the new software, lots of people can > train staff in > MS office, therefore a company that can train on OO.org may > take > advantage of what they see as a smaller market and charge > more. Take > into account in house or external training. > > Retraining HR staff to look out for people with Linux desktop > and Open > office skills. How many people are able to just switch, I > have no > problem with this but Im 30 and have been using computers for > long > enough now to be able to just move to new platforms/ > > Bye toc I assume you meant TCO (Total Cost of Ownership), you > could > look at costs of virus / spyware infection. etc. And > generally when are > you going to make the changes, how long will this take, and > if you > have to close the office, will the company lose money, and is > this > ofset by the overall savings of using Linux on the desktop. > > Another thing on the desktop is - full desktop install vs > ltsp, > benefits, and overall cost of mainenance, i.e with ltsp is > centralised, > and centralised data storage, therefore if a users computer > breaks down, > just take it out of the network and plug in a working > one, all user > data, settings are pulled from central server. > > Are these suggestions any help. > > Paul > > > > > Randy Jonasz wrote: > > > Hey everybody, > > > > I'd like some help doing my homework. :) My project group > at Mohawk > > college have to give a panel discussion on the benefits of > Linux on > > the corporate desktop versus proprietary solutions aka > Microsoft. I'm > > doing some reading of my own on TOC, but I'd like to survey > some > > opinions on tlug. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Randy > > > > -- > > Imagine no possessions > > I wonder if you can > > No need for greed or hunger > > A brotherhood of man > > Imagine all the people > > Sharing all the world > > --John Lennon > > > > -- > http://www.zleap.net > http://www.openoffice.org > http://www.linux.org > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version 3.1 > GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- > O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- > DI! D++ G e H! r! z? > > -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- > Imagine no possessions > I wonder if you can > No need for greed or hunger > A brotherhood of man > Imagine all the people > Sharing all the world > --John Lennon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 16:52:39 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:52:39 +0000 Subject: Windows Vista info link, looking for contrasting arguments In-Reply-To: <44071494.4090107-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <44071494.4090107@rogers.com> Message-ID: <440722D7.2030401@zen.co.uk> http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=1186 Not quite a comparison of Linuix vs windows, bit interesting Paul Byron Sonne wrote: > Hey all, > > So I caught this link off slashdot the other day, and actually gave it > a read: > > "Why Windows Vista Won't Suck" > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1931914,00.asp > > Anyone who knows me knows my strong feelings about Microsoft (they're > douchebags), but I have to admit, this was an interesting article (if > correct) - if Vista actually delivers what it promises and it works > (and I'm still skeptical here) perhaps M$ has finally hopped on the > clue train. I'd say it's still horeshit, but some of the folks I work > with (also *nix folks) have given it a go, and they said rather > positive things, and I trust their opinions. Still, it's a beta... > > Has anyone seen any documents/articles that do a point-counterpoint or > compare Vista to Linux/*nix? I'd like have something I can send to > people (and perhaps post on our company blog) that would help take the > wind out of their sails. Alot of the stuff in Vista is nothing new or > remarkable; yet I'm sure Microsoft is gonna be hyping it like it's the > greatest thing since sliced bread and proof of their 'innovation' > capabilities. > > I want to make them look bad. No FUD please; I'm sure the truth is > good enough. > > If such a doc/article doesn't exist, I suggest a bunch of us get > together, divvy up the article into smaller sections, research it, and > put something together so we *do* have something like this. > > Cheers, > B > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 17:17:22 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:17:22 -0500 Subject: Windows Vista info link, looking for contrasting arguments In-Reply-To: <44071494.4090107-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <44071494.4090107@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200603021217.22568.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Thursday 02 March 2006 10:51, Byron Sonne wrote: > Hey all, > > So I caught this link off slashdot the other day, and actually gave it a > read: > > "Why Windows Vista Won't Suck" > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1931914,00.asp > I came across this one today. "Why Windows Vista will suck" http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT8288296398.html There are 3 sides to every story. One side, the other, and the truth which lay somewhere in between. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 17:51:40 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:51:40 -0500 Subject: Windows Vista info link, looking for contrasting arguments In-Reply-To: <200603021217.22568.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <44071494.4090107@rogers.com> <200603021217.22568.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: Jason Shein wrote: > On Thursday 02 March 2006 10:51, Byron Sonne wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> So I caught this link off slashdot the other day, and actually gave it a >> read: >> >> "Why Windows Vista Won't Suck" >> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1931914,00.asp >> > > I came across this one today. > > "Why Windows Vista will suck" > http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT8288296398.html You beat me to it... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 17:01:04 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:01:04 +0000 Subject: resource project In-Reply-To: <20060301131815.10586.qmail-fjYszm/wOJWB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060301131815.10586.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <440724D0.3030401@zen.co.uk> I have mailed you off list regarding this as I feel that was more appropriate. Thanks Paul Sutton Colin McGregor wrote: >--- Paul Sutton wrote: > > >>Hi >> >>Does anyone know if resource project is still going, >>I have tried to >>e-mail their volunteer address bit it's unroutable, >>so I have tried a >>different contact address from their home page. >> >>http://www.resourceproject.org/html/contact.html >> >>Thanks >> >>Paul >> >> > >I'm involved with the ReSource Project, how can I >help? > >Colin McGregor > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 18:06:33 2006 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:06:33 -0500 Subject: TOC Linux Message-ID: <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> This study done over a five year period by the federal government should help your project quite a bit. http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/fap-paf/oss-ll/foss-llo/model_e.asp John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 18:13:40 2006 From: dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org (Dominic Bonfiglio) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:13:40 -0500 Subject: Windows Vista info link, looking for contrasting arguments In-Reply-To: References: <44071494.4090107@rogers.com> <200603021217.22568.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <440735D4.6000000@gmx.de> Jason Shein wrote: >> On Thursday 02 March 2006 10:51, Byron Sonne wrote: >>> Hey all, >>> >>> So I caught this link off slashdot the other day, and actually gave >>> it a >>> read: >>> >>> "Why Windows Vista Won't Suck" >>> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1931914,00.asp >>> >> >> I came across this one today. >> >> "Why Windows Vista will suck" >> http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT8288296398.html > Hi, I read the article "Why Windows Vista will suck" and enjoyed it--then I read all the posts ridiculing the author. What are other responses to this article? I realize that it contains mainly speculations about the performance of the official vista release, but is the article as absurd and unfounded as posters claim it is? --Dominic > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 18:17:50 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:17:50 -0500 Subject: System slowdown on large disk writes In-Reply-To: <20060302141247.GA3534@ettin> References: <20060302002718.GA14861@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20060302141247.GA3534@ettin> Message-ID: <20060302181750.GA17916@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 09:12:47AM -0500, Neil Watson wrote: >What is the size and filesystem of the partitions you are copying from >and to? I'm copying 500Mb to 4Gb files to another location on the same ext3 (I think - how would I check?) 140-odd Gb partition. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is a stretch, but one thing that comes to mind is a failing disk. Often if a disk encounters problems reading and writing it will work much harder. I'm not a kernel developer but there are areas of device drivers that cannot be interrupted and this could be a problem. Check dmesg and run smartctl to see if your disk is experiencing problems. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. Director of Technology 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 519-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There are some (modest) strings attached as to what we can/can not do in the booth, which I will be going over with everyone. - The NewTLUG meeting will be happening at the show, with the topic being a distribution comparison (ie: why would you say pick Debian over Mandriva or ...). Not sure where Herb stands with speakers on that but he may be looking for a few more speakers willing to promote their favourite distribution. - I have confirmed we are to get 1,500 Ubuntu CDs plus an Ubuntu conference pack with 4 T-Shirts, 200 Ubuntu leaflets and 200 Ubuntu stickers. All this stuff will be free to GTALug. How to divide up the likes of the T-Shirts (key volunteers? business card draw? other?) is still an open question. - I have approached Mandriva asking for CDs, so far without any response. - We have a budget from the board, so there is some money available for photocopies and other key expenses. - The consensus among the people I spoke to was that having power in the booth last year was not worth what it cost us. So, unless someone can show a really pressing reason to do otherwise the plan will be to use laptops (and their batteries) to provide computers on-site. - One idea that seems to be very popular is to have give-away items to encourage people to stop and talk at the booth. Besides the Ubuntu disks, there is talk of chocolate/candy. Now, for budget reasons they have to be inexpensive and for sanitary reasons the food will all have to be individually wrapped, but beyond that the question is open, what would cause people to stop to chat? Hersey chocolate Kisses? Werther's Original (butter-and-cream toffee)? Other? Also, what sort of attention should we pay to allergy (i.e. peanut) and religious (i.e. kosher/halal) concerns? - If budget allows I would like to do metal case badges for handing out at the show. But this is looking like the lowest priority / highest cost item on the agenda, so will be the first item to be dropped in case of problems. So, need to put together a final budget ASAP. - Flier distribution, we have some colour fliers from Plum Communications for distribution at our meetings, and we have a PDF file for printing out and passing around. Need some people to do leg work here. - Creation of a GTALug flier for handing out at the show. This MAY just mean taking last year's flier and changing references of "Toronto Linux User Group" to "Greater Toronto Area Linux User Group". - Banner. One of the board members is looking into getting a banner made up, but that is not yet nailed down. As with the fliers last year's banner can not be reused because of the name change. - Putting together an "Exhibitor" list for submission to Plum Communication. These will be the people walking the show floor representing GTALug (and yes, for multiple reasons which I will go over at the meeting, I will be encouraging people to sign up for a regular (free) show admission badge :-) ). - Putting together a GTALug press release for the Plum Communications website. The above is a start, no doubt there will be other things that will come to mind between now and Monday. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 18:44:52 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:44:52 -0500 Subject: System slowdown on large disk writes In-Reply-To: <20060302181750.GA17916-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060302002718.GA14861@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20060302141247.GA3534@ettin> <20060302181750.GA17916@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060302184452.GA14279@ettin> On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 01:17:50PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 09:12:47AM -0500, Neil Watson wrote: >I'm copying 500Mb to 4Gb files to another location on the same ext3 >(I think - how would I check?) 140-odd Gb partition. 'mount' will tell you about your mounted file systems. It has been my experience that ext3 does not perform well on large partitions. I think that XFS may be a better choice. Perhaps you can test and compare. -- Neil Watson | Gentoo Linux Network Administrator | Uptime 4 days http://watson-wilson.ca | 2.6.11.4 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ x 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 20:03:51 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:03:51 -0500 Subject: System slowdown on large disk writes In-Reply-To: <20060302181750.GA17916-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060302002718.GA14861@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20060302141247.GA3534@ettin> <20060302181750.GA17916@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060302200351.GY29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 01:17:50PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I'm copying 500Mb to 4Gb files to another location on the same ext3 > (I think - how would I check?) 140-odd Gb partition. I believe the default io schedular in 2.6 kernels is designed to handle random io pretty nicely, but can be pretty unfair if doing lots of sequential I/O. Perhaps trying another io scheduler, or tuning it a bit (it should have options in /sys or /proc somewhere) could make it better. Does it make all io sluggish or just other io to the same drive? Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 20:06:36 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:06:36 -0500 Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car In-Reply-To: <87r75mu4x7.fsf-t7sX3kVlCqdeaUtoeC/G4l6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org> References: <44052AD5.7070808@telly.org> <87r75mu4x7.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20060302200636.GZ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 09:09:41PM -0800, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > Evan> Why am I not surprised that their partner is Fiat? And why is the > Evan> project called "blew me"? > > Is Fiat known for obnoxious anti-competitive practices? Well they used to make very fancy nice cars, then later they made some very good cars that were cheaper than their competitors, and then after that they made some cars no one wanted and got into serious financial trouble, and I have no idea what they have done after that. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 20:29:59 2006 From: right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org (Amos H. Weatherill) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:29:59 -0500 Subject: OT: BitTorrent, encryption, traffic shaping and the Internet In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20603020840v62c8416le636819b5cf54a82-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20603020840v62c8416le636819b5cf54a82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I can tell you all that Routers and firewalls are not the problem if you are on Rogers Yahoo Hi-speed Internet. They are bowing to pressure from Groups like the RIAA and MPAA to cap P2P Networks. They are accomplishing this by capping upload speeds and lying about having configuration problems with the Traffic Shaping software. My advice to anyone is that you should call Customer Service and Threaten to switch ISP's if they don't stop this BS. If they discover that their behaviour is going to affect their bottom line, they will stop. Signed. Amos H. Weatherill -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Aaron Vegh Sent: March 2, 2006 11:41 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: BitTorrent, encryption, traffic shaping and the Internet > Are you behind a NAT Router? If so you need to port forward the bittorrent ports. > I am, and I am... I don't think the router is the problem here... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 20:42:50 2006 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:42:50 -0500 Subject: OT: BitTorrent, encryption, traffic shaping and the Internet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440758CA.7060603@pobox.com> Amos H. Weatherill wrote: > I can tell you all that Routers and firewalls are not the problem > if you are on Rogers Yahoo Hi-speed Internet. > > They are bowing to pressure from Groups like the RIAA and MPAA to > cap P2P Networks. They are accomplishing this by capping upload > speeds and lying about having configuration problems with the > Traffic Shaping software. > They're also messing with download speeds directly, not just upload. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 20:49:07 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:49:07 -0500 Subject: GTALUG @ LinuxWorld Canada Planning meeting In-Reply-To: <20060302183129.47016.qmail-DooQHYYYUaiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060302183129.47016.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0603021249p4d1013e2xa448672eaf9acc06@mail.gmail.com> On 3/2/06, Colin McGregor wrote: [...] Thanks for the summary - very clear. > The above is a start, no doubt there will be other > things that will come to mind between now and Monday. A quick question, related to the banner and fliers - are there any legal considerations in putting together banners for the web? I'm under the impression that there are more than a couple webmasters around here - it'd be good to be able to help promote both the show and LUG involvement. -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mikemacleod-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 21:20:59 2006 From: mikemacleod-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael MacLeod) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:20:59 -0500 Subject: OT: BitTorrent, encryption, traffic shaping and the Internet In-Reply-To: References: <4386c5b20603020840v62c8416le636819b5cf54a82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I can speak from experience that Rogers is capping both up and down. Downloading a linux iso via torrent at a friends house I watched in azureus (not updated with the encryption stuff) as the download speed would increase to approx. 30k/sec then come crashing down to less than 3k/sec, before slowly making the climb back up to 30k/sec and then come crashing down again. This continued indefinitely. At my own domicile I have both Rogers Extreme and Bell High Speed, and the Bell connection can give me a solid 160k/sec consistently without any fluctuations (I've called, and due to distance from the CO and poor quality lines my sync rate is half what it should be, about 1500megabits). The Rogers connection however behaves exactly like the one at my friends house, even with the same torrents that work great on the Bell connection. Wow. I never thought I'd be talking up a Bell connection. cheers Mike On 3/2/06, Amos H. Weatherill wrote: > > I can tell you all that Routers and firewalls are not the problem > if you are on Rogers Yahoo Hi-speed Internet. > > They are bowing to pressure from Groups like the RIAA and MPAA to > cap P2P Networks. They are accomplishing this by capping upload > speeds and lying about having configuration problems with the > Traffic Shaping software. > > My advice to anyone is that you should call Customer Service and > Threaten to switch ISP's if they don't stop this BS. If they > discover that their behaviour is going to affect their bottom > line, they will stop. > > Signed. > Amos H. Weatherill > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Aaron > Vegh > Sent: March 2, 2006 11:41 AM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: BitTorrent, encryption, traffic shaping and the > Internet > > > > Are you behind a NAT Router? If so you need to port forward the > bittorrent > ports. > > > I am, and I am... I don't think the router is the problem here... > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with > voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 21:21:08 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:21:08 -0500 Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car In-Reply-To: <87r75mu4x7.fsf-t7sX3kVlCqdeaUtoeC/G4l6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org> References: <44052AD5.7070808@telly.org> <87r75mu4x7.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20060302212108.GA18717@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 09:09:41PM -0800, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > >Evan> Why am I not surprised that their partner is Fiat? And why is the >Evan> project called "blew me"? > >Is Fiat known for obnoxious anti-competitive practices? Not so much anti-competitive, as amusing in light of their name. # dict fiat 8 definitions found From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 [gcide]: Fiat \Fi"at\, n. [L., let it be done, 3d pers. sing., subj. pres., fr. fieri, used as pass. of facere to make. Cf. {Be}.] 1. An authoritative command or order to do something; an effectual decree. [1913 Webster] His fiat laid the corner stone. --Willis. [1913 Webster] --snip-- Essentially, to have something obeyed on your say-so is to have made a decree by fiat. Not that this is in any way related to M$ behaviour, oh no... -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 21:25:16 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:25:16 -0500 Subject: System slowdown on large disk writes In-Reply-To: <20060302200351.GY29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060302002718.GA14861@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20060302141247.GA3534@ettin> <20060302181750.GA17916@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20060302200351.GY29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20060302212516.GB18717@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 03:03:51PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 01:17:50PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >> I'm copying 500Mb to 4Gb files to another location on the same ext3 >> (I think - how would I check?) 140-odd Gb partition. > >I believe the default io schedular in 2.6 kernels is designed to handle >random io pretty nicely, but can be pretty unfair if doing lots of >sequential I/O. Perhaps trying another io scheduler, or tuning it a bit >(it should have options in /sys or /proc somewhere) could make it >better. Eeek. Okay, I've never poked into that part of the filesystem before. I get to learn something new. >Does it make all io sluggish or just other io to the same drive? It seems to be only when it is reading and writing off the same drive - if I've pulling all the data off a DVD there is no such slowdow. BTW, I looked at smartctl and dmesg, and there are no errors, so it's not likely a bad drive. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 22:08:09 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:08:09 -0500 Subject: System slowdown on large disk writes In-Reply-To: <20060302212516.GB18717-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060302002718.GA14861@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20060302200351.GY29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20060302212516.GB18717@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200603021708.09339.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Thursday 02 March 2006 16:25, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 03:03:51PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 01:17:50PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > >> I'm copying 500Mb to 4Gb files to another location on the same ext3 > >> (I think - how would I check?) 140-odd Gb partition. > > > >I believe the default io schedular in 2.6 kernels is designed to handle > >random io pretty nicely, but can be pretty unfair if doing lots of > >sequential I/O. Perhaps trying another io scheduler, or tuning it a bit > >(it should have options in /sys or /proc somewhere) could make it > >better. > > Eeek. Okay, I've never poked into that part of the filesystem before. > I get to learn something new. > > >Does it make all io sluggish or just other io to the same drive? > > It seems to be only when it is reading and writing off the same drive - > if I've pulling all the data off a DVD there is no such slowdow. > > BTW, I looked at smartctl and dmesg, and there are no errors, so it's not > likely a bad drive. Have you considered benchmarking the drive to see how it performs? Here is a good multi-platform filesystem benchmarking utility. http://www.iozone.org/ Builds for: AIX, BSDI, HP-UX, IRIX, FreeBSD, Linux, OpenBSD, NetBSD, OSFV3, OSFV4, OSFV5, SCO OpenServer, Solaris, Windows95/98/NT -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 22:22:22 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:22:22 -0500 Subject: System slowdown on large disk writes In-Reply-To: <20060302212516.GB18717-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060302002718.GA14861@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20060302141247.GA3534@ettin> <20060302181750.GA17916@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20060302200351.GY29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20060302212516.GB18717@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4407701E.8070508@utoronto.ca> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 03:03:51PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >>On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 01:17:50PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >> >>>I'm copying 500Mb to 4Gb files to another location on the same ext3 >>>(I think - how would I check?) 140-odd Gb partition. >> >>I believe the default io schedular in 2.6 kernels is designed to handle >>random io pretty nicely, but can be pretty unfair if doing lots of >>sequential I/O. Perhaps trying another io scheduler, or tuning it a bit >>(it should have options in /sys or /proc somewhere) could make it >>better. > > > Eeek. Okay, I've never poked into that part of the filesystem before. > I get to learn something new. > > >>Does it make all io sluggish or just other io to the same drive? > > > It seems to be only when it is reading and writing off the same drive - > if I've pulling all the data off a DVD there is no such slowdow. > > BTW, I looked at smartctl and dmesg, and there are no errors, so it's not > likely a bad drive. Is this with the kernel that you were compiling and had a question about DMA? Did you ever get that problem resolved? Doesn't sound like it would be a problem, but I'm curious in a general sense as to how something like that could affect I/O operations. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 22:26:49 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:26:49 -0500 Subject: GTALUG @ LinuxWorld Canada Planning meeting In-Reply-To: <20060302183129.47016.qmail-DooQHYYYUaiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060302183129.47016.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44077129.4050908@telly.org> Colin McGregor wrote: >Ok, as everyone (I hope) knows the Linux World Canada >show is coming up April 24-26, and GTALUG will be >there. I will be having a planning meeting March 6th, >7:00 PM at the Starbucks Coffee shop inside the Yonge >& Eglinton Indigo book store. > > CLUE is also signed up for a booth, to introduce our new corporate sponsors, demonstrate new projects and launch our new membership campaign. We'll also be hosting information from HLUG, NewTLUG and other local area user groups. I have made repeated offers to to multiple GTALUG Board members regarding sharing resources (people, money, furniture, banners, card scanners , media relations, etc.) and I'm still hoping to co-operate. If anyone on the GTALUG board is reading this, please mail me back and let's see how we can get the most mileage from working together. I'd be more than happy to attend Monday if that will help. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 2 23:40:53 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 01:40:53 +0200 (IST) Subject: M$ & auto maker Message-ID: I have no info about a M$/auto maker partnerships possible consequences, excepting the fact that, based on the in car navigation system's performance highlighted last year in the media, the car better have floats and personal flotation devices. But I stumbled into something that may indicate how it could be marketed: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4313772690011721857 P -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 01:54:46 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:54:46 -0500 Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car In-Reply-To: <20060302200636.GZ29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <44052AD5.7070808@telly.org> <87r75mu4x7.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> <20060302200636.GZ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4407A1E6.3040507@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 09:09:41PM -0800, Ian Zimmerman wrote: >> Evan> Why am I not surprised that their partner is Fiat? And why is the >> Evan> project called "blew me"? >> >> Is Fiat known for obnoxious anti-competitive practices? > > Well they used to make very fancy nice cars, then later they made some > very good cars that were cheaper than their competitors, and then after > that they made some cars no one wanted and got into serious financial > trouble, and I have no idea what they have done after that. You forgot to mention they also licenced the design to the Russians, for the Lada, which is an even worse car than the Fiat! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 03:13:02 2006 From: leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org (Leah Cunningham) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 22:13:02 -0500 Subject: GTALUG Logos Message-ID: <200603022213.02191.leah@frauerpower.com> I've reworked the logos for gtalug a bit and they are available at: http://gtalug.org/images/gtalug-logos/ If anyone wants to improve, please do. PS: Drew or someone: please forward to Gordon Chillcott, he needed these and I can't find a copy of his email address right now. Cheers, Leah -- Leah Cunningham : d416-585-9971x692 : d416-703-5977 : m416-559-6511 Frauerpower! Co. : www.frauerpower.com : Toronto, ON Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 03:16:18 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:16:18 -0800 Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car In-Reply-To: <4407A1E6.3040507-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <44052AD5.7070808@telly.org> <87r75mu4x7.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> <20060302200636.GZ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4407A1E6.3040507@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 3/2/06, James Knott wrote: > You forgot to mention they also licenced the design to the Russians, for > the Lada, which is an even worse car than the Fiat! If I understand what happened there correctly, the Lada "Riva" was produced using a former Fiat factory that was sold to the Russians and shipped to them. Thus, it wasn't merely a similar design, but just a shifting of the increasingly obsolete factory. Alas, I can't verify that :-(. -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 03:28:17 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:28:17 -0800 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: <44073429.8050404-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 3/2/06, John McGregor wrote: > This study done over a five year period by the federal government should > help > your project quite a bit. > > http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/fap-paf/oss-ll/foss-llo/model_e.asp Wow, that's an interesting document. It indicates, for the project in question, that FOSS is more expensive in the first year, due to the need to spend a lot of resources on the migration. Which is quite fair, particularly in that it indicates a pretty hefty amount spent on rewriting software. It pays back in year 2... A couple useful things that it refers to, not by URL... http://www.egovos.org/pdf/dodfoss.pdf http://www.dwheeler.com/gram.html -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 05:14:41 2006 From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 00:14:41 -0500 Subject: OT: Co-op Internship info Message-ID: Sorry to bother everyone, A few months ago, somebody posted a link to a website devoted to internships and co-ops, specifically I.T.. I've misplaced that email and now that I'm in the market was wondering if somebody remebers what that link was. Thanks in advance, Randy Jonasz -- Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world --John Lennon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 05:25:42 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 00:25:42 -0500 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: References: <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200603030025.42529.interlug@weait.net> On Thursday 02 March 2006 22:28, Christopher Browne wrote: > On 3/2/06, John McGregor wrote: > > http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/fap-paf/oss-ll/foss-llo/model_e.asp > > Wow, that's an interesting document. > > It indicates, for the project in question, that FOSS is more expensive > in the first year, due to the need to spend a lot of resources on the > migration. Which is quite fair, particularly in that it indicates a > pretty hefty amount spent on rewriting software. > > It pays back in year 2... It would be interesting, in 2009, to compare the costs incurred by those who transitioned from WinXP to WinVista. You know, from those who choose not to upgrade to GNU/Linux. Then in 2010 to look back on the costs incurred in recreating data that was lost when the DRM in the OS failed during a mandatory upgrade. "What? Your accounts receivable disappeared? Well, good news. The RIAA and BSA are knocking at your door too!" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 05:48:18 2006 From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 00:48:18 -0500 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: <44073429.8050404-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> Message-ID: Thanks John, After looking it over, it appears the greatest hurdle to overcome is the cost of retraining. I think the study does not effectiveky represent this. Alas, we live in a windows world and people have become accustomed to how that OS functions. To teach a whole new skill set to a Sales Rep who only wants to update his contacts and fire off sales proposals is daunting. We would have to account for an intial reduction in productivity and possible lower morale as people reject change. This is not to say that OS solutions are not viable. But I am finding the greatest objection to conversion is what I have mentioned. Thanks again for the link! Randy On 3/2/06, John McGregor wrote: > > This study done over a five year period by the federal government should > help > your project quite a bit. > > http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/fap-paf/oss-ll/foss-llo/model_e.asp > > John > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world --John Lennon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 05:56:11 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 21:56:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car In-Reply-To: <4407A1E6.3040507-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <44052AD5.7070808@telly.org> <87r75mu4x7.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> <20060302200636.GZ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4407A1E6.3040507@rogers.com> Message-ID: <878xrsgjgl.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> Lennart> Well they used to make very fancy nice cars, then later they Lennart> made some very good cars that were cheaper than their Lennart> competitors, and then after that they made some cars no one Lennart> wanted and got into serious financial trouble, and I have no Lennart> idea what they have done after that. James> You forgot to mention they also licenced the design to the James> Russians, for the Lada, which is an even worse car than the Fiat! Actually the Lada was about the best car you could get in the east bloc, unless you had a source of hard currency. (IIRC, it has been a while) -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 08:35:34 2006 From: jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org (JM) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:35:34 +0800 Subject: OT: Security Message-ID: <200603031635.34279.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Hi, Has anyone ever deployed KVM Over IP? in w/c access will be coming from the internet. How do you secure the access? Would you recommend using it and deploying it in the wild? tia, -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 12:41:43 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 07:41:43 -0500 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: References: <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> Message-ID: <44083987.3050705@rogers.com> Randy Jonasz wrote: > Thanks John, > > After looking it over, it appears the greatest hurdle to overcome is the > cost of retraining. I think the study does not effectiveky represent > this. Alas, we live in a windows world and people have become > accustomed to how that OS functions. To teach a whole new skill set to > a Sales Rep who only wants to update his contacts and fire off sales > proposals is daunting. We would have to account for an intial reduction > in productivity and possible lower morale as people reject change. This > is not to say that OS solutions are not viable. But I am finding the > greatest objection to conversion is what I have mentioned. I provide computer support to users at a large corporation. To assume sales reps have a skill set is a bit of a stretch. ;-) However, in my experience, many users don't know anything about Windows either. They know that if they click that icon, this happens and not much else. In this case, teaching them to use Linux is no different than teaching them to use Windows. As an example of how little some users are, last week, I was speaking to one, who didn't know where the "Enter" key was. And there truely are some, who should never be allowed near a computer! ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 12:47:17 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 07:47:17 -0500 Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car In-Reply-To: <878xrsgjgl.fsf-t7sX3kVlCqdeaUtoeC/G4l6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org> References: <44052AD5.7070808@telly.org> <87r75mu4x7.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> <20060302200636.GZ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4407A1E6.3040507@rogers.com> <878xrsgjgl.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> Message-ID: <44083AD5.2090301@rogers.com> Ian Zimmerman wrote: > Actually the Lada was about the best car you could get in the east bloc, That's not much of an endorsement. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 12:53:55 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 07:53:55 -0500 Subject: OT: Security In-Reply-To: <200603031635.34279.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200603031635.34279.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Message-ID: <44083C63.8070404@rogers.com> JM wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone ever deployed KVM Over IP? in w/c access will be coming from the > internet. How do you secure the access? Would you recommend using it and > deploying it in the wild? Ummm... Linux & Unix have a built in "KVM". It's called the X desktop. If you enable XDMCP, you can control any computer from any computer. The X desktop is designed to be used over networks. And, by using the Fn keys, you can have up to 6 desktops available simultaneously. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 14:19:50 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:19:50 -0500 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: <44083987.3050705-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> <44083987.3050705@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1141395590.29194.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> I agree completely. The majority of users from a technical point of view are largely brain dead and from a company perspective this is generally preferred. All managers and users want to know is what icon to click on and how to use their applications. Computers are tools in the office. Do you need a course to use a calculator? Generally no. The costs for retraining are for support staff. Has anyone attend seminars on window$ secruity? I have. window$ has become more complex than UNIX. As window$ support costs spiral out of control due to the increasing complexity of the product, UNIX/Linux looks more attractive due to its stability. RickT http://www.TorontoNUI.ca On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 07:41 -0500, James Knott wrote: > Randy Jonasz wrote: > > Thanks John, > > > > After looking it over, it appears the greatest hurdle to overcome is the > > cost of retraining. I think the study does not effectiveky represent > > this. Alas, we live in a windows world and people have become > > accustomed to how that OS functions. To teach a whole new skill set to > > a Sales Rep who only wants to update his contacts and fire off sales > > proposals is daunting. We would have to account for an intial reduction > > in productivity and possible lower morale as people reject change. This > > is not to say that OS solutions are not viable. But I am finding the > > greatest objection to conversion is what I have mentioned. > > I provide computer support to users at a large corporation. To assume > sales reps have a skill set is a bit of a stretch. ;-) > > However, in my experience, many users don't know anything about Windows > either. They know that if they click that icon, this happens and not > much else. In this case, teaching them to use Linux is no different > than teaching them to use Windows. > > As an example of how little some users are, last week, I was speaking to > one, who didn't know where the "Enter" key was. And there truely are > some, who should never be allowed near a computer! ;-) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 14:19:40 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:19:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: GTALUG @ LinuxWorld Canada Planning meeting In-Reply-To: <44077129.4050908-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <44077129.4050908@telly.org> Message-ID: <20060303141940.77182.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > > >Ok, as everyone (I hope) knows the Linux World > Canada > >show is coming up April 24-26, and GTALUG will be > >there. I will be having a planning meeting March > 6th, > >7:00 PM at the Starbucks Coffee shop inside the > Yonge > >& Eglinton Indigo book store. > > > > > CLUE is also signed up for a booth, to introduce our > new corporate > sponsors, demonstrate new projects and launch our > new membership > campaign. We'll also be hosting information from > HLUG, NewTLUG and other > local area user groups. > > I have made repeated offers to to multiple GTALUG > Board members > regarding sharing resources (people, money, > furniture, banners, card > scanners , media relations, etc.) and I'm still > hoping to co-operate. > If anyone on the GTALUG board is reading this, > please mail me back and > let's see how we can get the most mileage from > working together. Well, a response to your offer was considered at the last board meeting, and I gather that a formal response is being written. > I'd be more than happy to attend Monday if that will > help. For Monday's meeting I want to keep the focus on what needs to be done to make the GTALug booth a success on it's own. Should some sort of agreement be reached between you and the board, that can be included as an item in a future planning meeting. In other words Monday the name of the game is stuff like: - Who will staff the booth? - What can we do/not do in the booth? - What will we give away from the booth? - How can we make the NewTLUG meeting shine? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 14:24:31 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:24:31 -0500 Subject: OT: Security In-Reply-To: <44083C63.8070404-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200603031635.34279.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <44083C63.8070404@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1141395871.23972.105.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 07:53 -0500, James Knott wrote: > Ummm... Linux & Unix have a built in "KVM". It's called the X desktop. > If you enable XDMCP, you can control any computer from any computer. > The X desktop is designed to be used over networks. And, by using the > Fn keys, you can have up to 6 desktops available simultaneously. You can't change BIOS settings or deal with boot time problems from an X desktop, or SSH connection. Because of their nature don't all IP-KVMs support authentication? I would also expect them to support SSL or some form of encryption too. We use IBM's remote service adapter, which has a built-in KVM and power switch, etc. We don't allow access to it from the Internet at large. A VPN connection is required (or an SSH tunnel.) Without a firewall, you would have to rely on the vendor's security. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. Director of Technology 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 519-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is a paper on cellphone use and driving - the more detailed interruptibility papers haven't been published yet :-( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9017937&query_hl=3&itool=pubmed_docsum -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Should some sort of agreement be reached >between you and the board, that can be included as an >item in a future planning meeting. > >In other words Monday the name of the game is stuff >like: > >- Who will staff the booth? >- What can we do/not do in the booth? >- What will we give away from the booth? >- How can we make the NewTLUG meeting shine? > > Is this meeting for the board or open to LUG members? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 15:20:31 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:20:31 -0500 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: References: <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1141399231.23972.123.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 00:48 -0500, Randy Jonasz wrote: > After looking it over, it appears the greatest hurdle to overcome is > the cost of retraining. I think the study does not effectiveky > represent this. Alas, we live in a windows world and people have > become accustomed to how that OS functions. To teach a whole new > skill set to a Sales Rep who only wants to update his contacts and > fire off sales proposals is daunting. We would have to account for an > intial reduction in productivity and possible lower morale as people > reject change. This is not to say that OS solutions are not viable. > But I am finding the greatest objection to conversion is what I have > mentioned. So with the new 3d Interface on Vista, how much retraining will be needed for that? I remember when XP came out. It was just after I had switched to Linux on my desktop (from w2k). It took me 10 minutes to find the networking, and I'm an MCSE. Based on what I've seen of the Vista Interface this will be as much of a learning curve. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. Director of Technology 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 519-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's called the X desktop. > If you enable XDMCP, you can control any computer from any computer. > The X desktop is designed to be used over networks. And, by using the > Fn keys, you can have up to 6 desktops available simultaneously. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 15:30:23 2006 From: jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org (Jerome Macaranas) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:30:23 +0800 Subject: OT: Security In-Reply-To: <1141395871.23972.105.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <200603031635.34279.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <44083C63.8070404@rogers.com> <1141395871.23972.105.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <200603032330.23261.jerome@gmanmi.tv> On Friday 03 March 2006 10:24 pm, John Van Ostrand wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 07:53 -0500, James Knott wrote: > > Ummm... Linux & Unix have a built in "KVM". It's called the X desktop. > > If you enable XDMCP, you can control any computer from any computer. > > The X desktop is designed to be used over networks. And, by using the > > Fn keys, you can have up to 6 desktops available simultaneously. > > You can't change BIOS settings or deal with boot time problems from an X > desktop, or SSH connection. > > Because of their nature don't all IP-KVMs support authentication? I > would also expect them to support SSL or some form of encryption too. yes they do... but I want to have some other challenges... I dont want to rely only on the vendor's security... ATEN for example can be accessed via HTTPS.. and ACLs > > We use IBM's remote service adapter, which has a built-in KVM and power > switch, etc. We don't allow access to it from the Internet at large. A > VPN connection is required (or an SSH tunnel.) > your using the KVM module on the blade center? > Without a firewall, you would have to rely on the vendor's security. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 15:38:33 2006 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:38:33 -0500 Subject: Toc linux Message-ID: <1141400313.7966.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Has anyone attend seminars on window$ > secruity? I have. window$ has become more complex than UNIX. As window > $ support costs spiral out of control due to the increasing complexity > of the product, UNIX/Linux looks more attractive due to its stability. > RickT > I also think that the retraining costs are over blown.One of the arguments that the Microsoft camp puts out is that moving to Linux will require the hiring of extra IT staff. I think that this is a fallacious argument. New staff will be a requirement for the project, but for payroll and all other reasons, they will be replacements not additions Look around your class or office. There's a good likelihood that you are going to find 80% of the members doing 100% of the work. Migrating to a new technology provides an employer an excellent excuse to hand out a few redundancies by way of forced retirement packages and then hire new employees with the required skill set. To the enterprise, the cost of carrying the deadwood plus the cost of losing valued employees to overwork, in the long term far out weighs the one time charges involved in laying off staff due to lack of work. Not-with-standing the one time charges, the effect on the bottom line will be negligible. There will be some retraining necessary for the end users, but I doubt that it will be excessive. Its been my experience that moving users from Microsoft Office to Open Office and from Outlook / Outlook Express to Evolution or Thunderbird has been pretty seamless when a well thought out faq is presented at the start of the process (and the fact that the 'help' function in Open Office actually does provide usable help). The main reason, though, is that the vast majority of end users don't use the complex features of the Microsoft apps and don't need to relearn them either. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 15:40:59 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:40:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: GTALUG @ LinuxWorld Canada Planning meeting In-Reply-To: <44085C27.2070803-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <44085C27.2070803@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <20060303154059.98219.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Meng Cheah wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > For Monday's meeting I want to keep the focus on > what > > >needs to be done to make the GTALug booth a success > on > >it's own. Should some sort of agreement be reached > >between you and the board, that can be included as > an > >item in a future planning meeting. > > > >In other words Monday the name of the game is stuff > >like: > > > >- Who will staff the booth? > >- What can we do/not do in the booth? > >- What will we give away from the booth? > >- How can we make the NewTLUG meeting shine? > > > > > Is this meeting for the board or open to LUG > members? Everyone is welcome. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 15:44:25 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:44:25 -0500 Subject: GTALUG @ LinuxWorld Canada Planning meeting In-Reply-To: <20060303141940.77182.qmail-2K+iNxKRQwOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303141940.77182.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44086459.4090206@telly.org> Hi, Colin. I was hoping that someone who was _on_ the Board would be able to reply but I appreciate your attempt to explain the situation on their behalf. Colin McGregor wrote: >Well, a response to your offer was considered at the last board meeting, and I gather that a formal response is being written. > > I guess it just puzzles me how things have made it to the point where formal responses need to be written. I suppose that others on this list ought to consider the bureaucracy necessary at GTALUG to deal with offers of help. It's a shame, really. LUGs from around the country (not to mention all the major vendors) see the value -- the necessity -- of working together to accomplish the community's shared goals. To date, GTALUG appears to be the lone exception to that ethos, I hope that may change. >For Monday's meeting I want to keep the focus on what needs to be done to make the GTALug booth a success on it's own. > I'll take that as a rejection. No matter, the same night I've been invited to participate at the KWLUG meeting. Obviously we'll prefer to go where we're wanted. Anyone wanting to participate at the CLUE booth will be welcomed without the need for a formal letter of response. We'll be focusing on CLUE's projects (see http://www.cluecan.ca/projects ), and specifically the need to address - the attack on open source now being waged in Ottawa (in the copyright law debate, post-Bulte) - the well-known hostility towards open source at Queen's Park - awareness of the Canada-wide network of Linux and other open source user groups If you're interested, just write or talk to me, Herb, or Matt -- or come to the next NewTLUG, HLUG or KWLUG meeting. The offer to collaborate with GTALUG is still wide open. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 15:51:46 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:51:46 -0500 Subject: OT: Security In-Reply-To: <200603032330.23261.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200603031635.34279.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <44083C63.8070404@rogers.com> <1141395871.23972.105.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <200603032330.23261.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Message-ID: <1141401106.23972.130.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 23:30 +0800, Jerome Macaranas wrote: > > You can't change BIOS settings or deal with boot time problems from an X > > desktop, or SSH connection. > > > > Because of their nature don't all IP-KVMs support authentication? I > > would also expect them to support SSL or some form of encryption too. > > yes they do... but I want to have some other challenges... I dont want to rely > only on the vendor's security... ATEN for example can be accessed via > HTTPS.. and ACLs I'm with you there, but I give a little if it makes sense. > > > > We use IBM's remote service adapter, which has a built-in KVM and power > > switch, etc. We don't allow access to it from the Internet at large. A > > VPN connection is required (or an SSH tunnel.) > > > > your using the KVM module on the blade center? Yes, we have customers that are. They don't access it outside of their own network though. The RSA card that I speak of is for the bulk of the systems that we support. As an IBM vendor we put in an RSA card for remote management on standalone and rackmount servers. They are cheap enough (far less than MSRP) that we are now putting them in all servers we ship. > > Without a firewall, you would have to rely on the vendor's security. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. Director of Technology 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 519-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From brat-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 16:24:23 2006 From: brat-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org (Angelina Carlton) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:24:23 -0500 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: <1141395590.29194.8.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> (Rick Tomaschuk's message of "Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:19:50 -0500") References: <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> <44083987.3050705@rogers.com> <1141395590.29194.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <87fylzts20.fsf@magma.ca> Rick Tomaschuk writes: > I agree completely. The majority of users from a technical point of view > are largely brain dead and from a company perspective this is generally > preferred. All managers and users want to know is what icon to click on > and how to use their applications. Computers are tools in the office. Do > you need a course to use a calculator? Generally no. The costs for > retraining are for support staff. Has anyone attend seminars on window$ > secruity? I have. window$ has become more complex than UNIX. As window$ > support costs spiral out of control due to the increasing complexity of > the product, UNIX/Linux looks more attractive due to its stability. I see a couple of things in this quote that reflects the IT dept in my company. First off, a computer is considerably more complex than a calculator so I cannot understand this analogy at all and am surprised that some one in IT would draw such a conclusion. A CNC machine is also a tool, I doubt its users just jump in there with no training either. Training can be very powerful, useful and time-saving, even if its training in IE and Excel. Secondly, even from a technical point of view, the majority users are not brain dead. Just because my job involves accounts and materials and contracts does not mean I am incapable of learning a programming language or recompiling a kernel. The majority of users are more likely on par intelligence wise with anyone of their colleagues in IT. If I am to be "trained" by someone who perceived me as brain dead then I have no interest in learning from them. -- -----Angelina Carlton----- orchid on irc.freenode.net brat-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org web:bzgirl.bakadigital.com -------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 16:42:58 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:42:58 -0500 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: <87fylzts20.fsf-J4oS66wZXds@public.gmane.org> References: <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> <44083987.3050705@rogers.com> <1141395590.29194.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <87fylzts20.fsf@magma.ca> Message-ID: <1141404178.29194.24.camel@spot1.localhost.com> My apologies to you. I'm somewhat jaded from an end user training point of view. Having worked with 'professionals' in accounting, law, engineers, medical and so on I've never been so amazed at the attitudes of these so called 'professionals'. The attitude of which I speak have been: 1) "Well I've bought the best computer out there...why doesn't it work??" which translates into: "Well I've bought the best car on the market...now you expect me to learn how to drive too???" 2) "No I didn't delete anything." (when its so blatantly obvious that they or someone did hence the reason for their PC not working properly.) 3) "Why doesn't the server work? Someone was just in last week." This from an office manager whose server in a law firm supporting 30 users was of less quality than my desktop at home and they are too cheap to put out some $$ to upgrade it. While many of the 'professionals' may be adequate for their chosen profession I sincerely question their mental capacity from a technological point of view hence my eval of them. Often times these professionals will use 'stupid' comments to throw the tech off guard so the be billing for the visit can be reduced. RickT On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 11:24 -0500, Angelina Carlton wrote: > Rick Tomaschuk writes: > > I agree completely. The majority of users from a technical point of view > > are largely brain dead and from a company perspective this is generally > > preferred. All managers and users want to know is what icon to click on > > and how to use their applications. Computers are tools in the office. Do > > you need a course to use a calculator? Generally no. The costs for > > retraining are for support staff. Has anyone attend seminars on window$ > > secruity? I have. window$ has become more complex than UNIX. As window$ > > support costs spiral out of control due to the increasing complexity of > > the product, UNIX/Linux looks more attractive due to its stability. > > I see a couple of things in this quote that reflects the IT dept in my > company. First off, a computer is considerably more complex than a > calculator so I cannot understand this analogy at all and am > surprised that some one in IT would draw such a conclusion. > > A CNC machine is also a tool, I doubt its users just jump in there with no > training either. Training can be very powerful, useful and time-saving, even > if its training in IE and Excel. > > Secondly, even from a technical point of view, the majority users are not > brain dead. Just because my job involves accounts and materials and > contracts does not mean I am incapable of learning a programming > language or recompiling a kernel. > > The majority of users are more likely on par intelligence wise with > anyone of their colleagues in IT. > > If I am to be "trained" by someone who perceived me as brain dead then I > have no interest in learning from them. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 17:03:15 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:03:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: <87fylzts20.fsf-J4oS66wZXds@public.gmane.org> References: <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> <44083987.3050705@rogers.com> <1141395590.29194.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <87fylzts20.fsf@magma.ca> Message-ID: <50981.207.188.65.194.1141405395.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Training can be very powerful, useful and time-saving, even if its training > in IE and Excel. > This is true. Unfortunately, training is often used to compensate for a really lousy human interface design. Two examples of my experience: - A purchase order entry system that was designed like a dungeons and dragons game so that users were required to take a half-day training course before purchasing so much as an HB pencil. - An inter-library loan system that was so badly designed that even computer professionals (not just me) couldn't figure it out without another half-day training course. In the second case, the vendor apparently had not done any useability testing before releasing the product. (To its credit, the library involved recognized the problem and fixed it.) Generally, if the user interface, help system and documentation are done properly, users should be able to figure out the program with minimal training. One can find out very quickly if the program meets this requirement by putting it in front of some naive (but assumed to be intelligent) end users, and watching what happens. I was part of a useability test for some teaching software (an extreme test, since profs are significantly less capable of operating software than students ;), and within minutes I had (unintentionally) sent the thing to never-never land. At least the program designer had the sense to test it. Unfortunately, end users are often sufficiently intimidated by computer technology that *they* think of themselves as stupid when in fact the problem is with the program design. It's much easier to blame the end user than to figure out how to make a program bullet proof and easy to use. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 17:21:25 2006 From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:21:25 -0500 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: <50981.207.188.65.194.1141405395.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> <44083987.3050705@rogers.com> <1141395590.29194.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <87fylzts20.fsf@magma.ca> <50981.207.188.65.194.1141405395.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: I couldn't agree more! If anything, people can figure out how to sync their balckberrys with Outlook in a matter of minutes. Trying the same task on any linux distro is not so straight forward. I'm beginning to see the need for OSS to polish the design before the desktop arena becomes a viable option. On the server side though, I can't understand why anyone would pay a company, like Microsoft for a proprietary solution. Linux is cheaper, solid and easier to maintain. Cheers, Randy On 3/3/06, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > > Training can be very powerful, useful and time-saving, even if its > training > in IE and Excel. > > > This is true. Unfortunately, training is often used to compensate for a > really lousy human interface design. Two examples of my experience: > > - A purchase order entry system that was designed like a dungeons and > dragons game so that users were required to take a half-day training > course before purchasing so much as an HB pencil. > > - An inter-library loan system that was so badly designed that even > computer professionals (not just me) couldn't figure it out without > another half-day training course. In the second case, the vendor > apparently had not done any useability testing before releasing the > product. (To its credit, the library involved recognized the problem and > fixed it.) > > Generally, if the user interface, help system and documentation are done > properly, users should be able to figure out the program with minimal > training. One can find out very quickly if the program meets this > requirement by putting it in front of some naive (but assumed to be > intelligent) end users, and watching what happens. > > I was part of a useability test for some teaching software (an extreme > test, since profs are significantly less capable of operating software > than students ;), and within minutes I had (unintentionally) sent the > thing to never-never land. At least the program designer had the sense to > test it. > > Unfortunately, end users are often sufficiently intimidated by computer > technology that *they* think of themselves as stupid when in fact the > problem is with the program design. > > It's much easier to blame the end user than to figure out how to make a > program bullet proof and easy to use. > > Peter > > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > http://www.syscompdesign.com > USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > 416-465-0325 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world --John Lennon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Its up to the employer to hire and train qualified personnel to use the machines or spend the money required to update and application to be easy to use. Someone out there will always get confused with a computer with the latest bullet proof interface. I'd like to have employees/operators who have some sense of reasoning skills or the intelligence to know when to ask for help. Why do some feel switching on the computer is the point we switch off our brain? On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 12:03 -0500, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Training can be very powerful, useful and time-saving, even if its > training > in IE and Excel. > > > This is true. Unfortunately, training is often used to compensate for a > really lousy human interface design. Two examples of my experience: > > - A purchase order entry system that was designed like a dungeons and > dragons game so that users were required to take a half-day training > course before purchasing so much as an HB pencil. > > - An inter-library loan system that was so badly designed that even > computer professionals (not just me) couldn't figure it out without > another half-day training course. In the second case, the vendor > apparently had not done any useability testing before releasing the > product. (To its credit, the library involved recognized the problem and > fixed it.) > > Generally, if the user interface, help system and documentation are done > properly, users should be able to figure out the program with minimal > training. One can find out very quickly if the program meets this > requirement by putting it in front of some naive (but assumed to be > intelligent) end users, and watching what happens. > > I was part of a useability test for some teaching software (an extreme > test, since profs are significantly less capable of operating software > than students ;), and within minutes I had (unintentionally) sent the > thing to never-never land. At least the program designer had the sense to > test it. > > Unfortunately, end users are often sufficiently intimidated by computer > technology that *they* think of themselves as stupid when in fact the > problem is with the program design. > > It's much easier to blame the end user than to figure out how to make a > program bullet proof and easy to use. > > Peter > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 17:38:54 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:38:54 -0500 Subject: List etiquette Message-ID: <20060303173854.GA6933@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> How do you tell someone who is not using threading that "their fly is down", i.e. their mailer is breaking threads? It annoys me, but they probably don't even notice, and I don't want them to feel badly - I just want them to fix/change/reconfigure their MUA. Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill > unfortunately all linux boxes are installed w/o X. > > On Friday 03 March 2006 8:53 pm, James Knott wrote: > > JM wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Has anyone ever deployed KVM Over IP? in w/c access will be coming from > > > the internet. How do you secure the access? Would you recommend using > > > it and deploying it in the wild? > > > > Ummm... Linux & Unix have a built in "KVM". It's called the X desktop. > > If you enable XDMCP, you can control any computer from any computer. > > The X desktop is designed to be used over networks. And, by using the > > Fn keys, you can have up to 6 desktops available simultaneously. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 18:21:41 2006 From: billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:21:41 -0500 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: <87fylzts20.fsf-J4oS66wZXds@public.gmane.org>; from brat-J4oS66wZXds@public.gmane.org on Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 11:24:23AM -0500 References: <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> <44083987.3050705@rogers.com> <1141395590.29194.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <87fylzts20.fsf@magma.ca> Message-ID: <20060303132141.B10466@diamond.ss.org> This is an excellent response. I agree that most people are capable of understanding how a computer program or language works if properly explained. I have had to audit courses for suitability for clients before, and my biggest complaint isn't the content of the course but the people doing the teaching (and usually the unsuitability of the exercises). I have met very few people that can't be taught how to use a program, language, OS etc... The real problems are the teachers, and the attitude the students. On the comment of Windows becoming more complex than UNIX. Windows NT has always been more complex than UNIX especially its security model. The model is so complex in fact that most windows administers don't understand windows security and consequently choose either totally permissive or total lockdown as the default options. I had gone through an entire security audit for a NT machine being placed in production in 1999 ( think big anal company that answers to government regulation about security). The audit itself took a week. That is four people in a meeting 8 hours a day going through every OS security mechanism, every firewall setting, every application level security mechanism implemented. It was not fun, and more importantly it was a much more complicated system than UNIX system I had ever dealt with. On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 11:24:23AM -0500, Angelina Carlton wrote: > Rick Tomaschuk writes: > > I agree completely. The majority of users from a technical point of view > > are largely brain dead and from a company perspective this is generally > > preferred. All managers and users want to know is what icon to click on > > and how to use their applications. Computers are tools in the office. Do > > you need a course to use a calculator? Generally no. The costs for > > retraining are for support staff. Has anyone attend seminars on window$ > > secruity? I have. window$ has become more complex than UNIX. As window$ > > support costs spiral out of control due to the increasing complexity of > > the product, UNIX/Linux looks more attractive due to its stability. > > I see a couple of things in this quote that reflects the IT dept in my > company. First off, a computer is considerably more complex than a > calculator so I cannot understand this analogy at all and am > surprised that some one in IT would draw such a conclusion. > > A CNC machine is also a tool, I doubt its users just jump in there with no > training either. Training can be very powerful, useful and time-saving, even > if its training in IE and Excel. > > Secondly, even from a technical point of view, the majority users are not > brain dead. Just because my job involves accounts and materials and > contracts does not mean I am incapable of learning a programming > language or recompiling a kernel. > > The majority of users are more likely on par intelligence wise with > anyone of their colleagues in IT. > > If I am to be "trained" by someone who perceived me as brain dead then I > have no interest in learning from them. > > -- > -----Angelina Carlton----- > orchid on irc.freenode.net > brat-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org > web:bzgirl.bakadigital.com > -------------------------- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 18:50:29 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:50:29 +0000 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: References: <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> Message-ID: <44088FF5.1070102@zen.co.uk> If you do it in parts, ie. get people used to openoffice on Windows, then change the OS, so people then simply learn how to open their documents when using Linux (or similar) and open office. If you simply used Linux in the back office you can still save money, Paul Randy Jonasz wrote: > Thanks John, > > After looking it over, it appears the greatest hurdle to overcome is > the cost of retraining. I think the study does not effectiveky > represent this. Alas, we live in a windows world and people have > become accustomed to how that OS functions. To teach a whole new > skill set to a Sales Rep who only wants to update his contacts and > fire off sales proposals is daunting. We would have to account for an > intial reduction in productivity and possible lower morale as people > reject change. This is not to say that OS solutions are not viable. > But I am finding the greatest objection to conversion is what I have > mentioned. > > Thanks again for the link! > > Randy > > On 3/2/06, *John McGregor* > wrote: > > This study done over a five year period by the federal government > should > help > your project quite a bit. > > http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/fap-paf/oss-ll/foss-llo/model_e.asp > > John > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > -- > Imagine no possessions > I wonder if you can > No need for greed or hunger > A brotherhood of man > Imagine all the people > Sharing all the world > --John Lennon -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 19:18:56 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:18:56 -0500 Subject: Suspend/Resume X sessions? Message-ID: <20060303191856.GA7254@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Is it possible to log out of an X session, keeping everything active, but making the machine available for someone else, and then later, log back in to the same state? -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 19:25:54 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:25:54 -0500 Subject: Suspend/Resume X sessions? In-Reply-To: <20060303191856.GA7254-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303191856.GA7254@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200603031425.54406.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Friday 03 March 2006 14:18, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Is it possible to log out of an X session, keeping everything active, > but making the machine available for someone else, and then later, log > back in to the same state? FreeNX http://freenx.berlios.de/ -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 19:27:46 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:27:46 -0500 Subject: Suspend/Resume X sessions? In-Reply-To: <20060303191856.GA7254-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303191856.GA7254@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1141414066.23972.182.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 14:18 -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Is it possible to log out of an X session, keeping everything active, > but making the machine available for someone else, and then later, log > back in to the same state? That's one of the reasons for VNC and running your X Session on a server. Another option is to use a second X Session (on Ctrl-Alt-F8.) Newer distros like Ubunto support this and apparently it's easy to setup on any distro if you don't mind a command line. I had the (mis)fortune of working with SunRay terminals and they have that functionality too, with smart cards none-the-less. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. Director of Technology 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 519-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From brat-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 19:36:27 2006 From: brat-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org (Angelina Carlton) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:36:27 -0500 Subject: Suspend/Resume X sessions? In-Reply-To: <20060303191856.GA7254-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> (William O'Higgins Witteman's message of "Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:18:56 -0500") References: <20060303191856.GA7254@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <874q2ftj5w.fsf@magma.ca> "William O'Higgins Witteman" writes: > Is it possible to log out of an X session, keeping everything active, > but making the machine available for someone else, and then later, log > back in to the same state? I use xnest for this, I dont actually log out of my x session, I lock it, and run a second x session where someone else can log in. -- -----Angelina Carlton----- orchid on irc.freenode.net brat-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org web:bzgirl.bakadigital.com -------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 19:39:19 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:39:19 -0500 Subject: Suspend/Resume X sessions? In-Reply-To: <1141414066.23972.182.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303191856.GA7254@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <1141414066.23972.182.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <44089B67.5080007@alteeve.com> John Van Ostrand wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 14:18 -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >> Is it possible to log out of an X session, keeping everything active, >> but making the machine available for someone else, and then later, log >> back in to the same state? > > That's one of the reasons for VNC and running your X Session on a > server. > > Another option is to use a second X Session (on Ctrl-Alt-F8.) Newer > distros like Ubunto support this and apparently it's easy to setup on > any distro if you don't mind a command line. > > I had the (mis)fortune of working with SunRay terminals and they have > that functionality too, with smart cards none-the-less. > For reference, pop open a normal shell (++{F1...F6}) and, as the user you want to run the X session as, enter "$ startx -- :1" (where ':1' is session '1', the default being ':0', and ':2' would open a third server, etc). It is RAM intensive though... but I do it on my P3 1GHz/512MB laptop on occasion with minimal issue on Debian and Ubuntu. HTH Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 19:45:35 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:45:35 +0000 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: <1141407314.29194.37.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> <44083987.3050705@rogers.com> <1141395590.29194.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <87fylzts20.fsf@magma.ca> <50981.207.188.65.194.1141405395.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1141407314.29194.37.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <44089CDF.1070604@zen.co.uk> I guess this applies to people who having written a nice installer for a game or program then leave the user in the deep end by not telling them where the binary for the program is, I had the sense to use file search but it took ages, eventually found it buried locally in a hidden directory, tree. there was no option to put this on the kde menu, or any dialog telling me where it was, (it also helps when there is a text file or similar to) put important info in bold or underline so it stands out even a desktop link would have beem useful that way I could have looked at the properties adn done a kde menu link manually with kmenu. There were lots of problems with users installing open office adn not reading the install screen which asks "do you want to open MS office files with Openoffice) I may have suggested that that screen should be made to stand out more, as it's important, I never really related to it that much partly as I have never had the problem because I read that first, but also needed too as MS office is not even on my computer. Paul >> >>Unfortunately, end users are often sufficiently intimidated by computer >>technology that *they* think of themselves as stupid when in fact the >>problem is with the program design. >> >>It's much easier to blame the end user than to figure out how to make a >>program bullet proof and easy to use. >> >>Peter >> >> >> > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 20:18:03 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:18:03 -0500 Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: <20060303173854.GA6933-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303173854.GA6933@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4408A47B.4090306@utoronto.ca> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > How do you tell someone who is not using threading that "their fly is > down", i.e. their mailer is breaking threads? It annoys me, but they > probably don't even notice, and I don't want them to feel badly - I just > want them to fix/change/reconfigure their MUA. Thanks. There's been quite a lot of top-posting lately too ;) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 20:29:54 2006 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:29:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: <4408A47B.4090306-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303173854.GA6933@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4408A47B.4090306@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, Jamon Camisso wrote: > William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >> How do you tell someone who is not using threading that "their fly is >> down", i.e. their mailer is breaking threads? It annoys me, but they >> probably don't even notice, and I don't want them to feel badly - I just >> want them to fix/change/reconfigure their MUA. Thanks. > > There's been quite a lot of top-posting lately too ;) And ignoring the adminition that appears in every e-mail to the list: TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 20:30:37 2006 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:30:37 -0500 Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: <20060303173854.GA6933-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303173854.GA6933@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4408A76D.2000601@rogers.com> > How do you tell someone who is not using threading that "their fly is > down", i.e. their mailer is breaking threads? I'd just say it ;) It's not me, is it? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shiwan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 20:59:33 2006 From: shiwan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Vlad) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:59:33 -0500 Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: References: <20060303173854.GA6933@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4408A47B.4090306@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Speaking of list etiquette... I've read the guidelines, and they say "Unsolicited commercial advertising will not be tolerated." - how would that work for an individual wanting to sell a couple of very-Linux-friendly servers? (Think IBM.) Some general workstation-grade hardware that's still quite Linux-friendly? ;) Cheers, -- Vlad On 3/3/06, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, Jamon Camisso wrote: > > > William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > >> How do you tell someone who is not using threading that "their fly is > >> down", i.e. their mailer is breaking threads? It annoys me, but they > >> probably don't even notice, and I don't want them to feel badly - I just > >> want them to fix/change/reconfigure their MUA. Thanks. > > > > There's been quite a lot of top-posting lately too ;) > > And ignoring the adminition that appears in every e-mail to the > list: > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > -- > Chris F.A. Johnson > =================================================================== > Author: > Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- end -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 21:09:02 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:09:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: GTALUG @ LinuxWorld Canada Planning meeting In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0603021249p4d1013e2xa448672eaf9acc06-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0603021249p4d1013e2xa448672eaf9acc06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060303210902.51003.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 3/2/06, Colin McGregor > wrote: > [...] > > Thanks for the summary - very clear. > > > The above is a start, no doubt there will be other > > things that will come to mind between now and > Monday. > > A quick question, related to the banner and fliers - > are there any > legal considerations in putting together banners for > the web? I'm > under the impression that there are more than a > couple webmasters > around here - it'd be good to be able to help > promote both the show > and LUG involvement. Not that I am aware of. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 21:10:24 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 16:10:24 -0500 Subject: Suspend/Resume X sessions? In-Reply-To: <44089B67.5080007-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303191856.GA7254@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <1141414066.23972.182.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <44089B67.5080007@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1141420224.23972.185.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 14:39 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > For reference, pop open a normal shell (++{F1...F6}) and, as > the user you want to run the X session as, enter "$ startx -- :1" (where > ':1' is session '1', the default being ':0', and ':2' would open a third > server, etc). > > It is RAM intensive though... but I do it on my P3 1GHz/512MB laptop on > occasion with minimal issue on Debian and Ubuntu. There is also a way to run a display manager on F8 and up so that a graphical login is displayed. That's what I had in mind in my last post. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. Director of Technology 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 519-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 21:36:36 2006 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 16:36:36 -0500 Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: <20060303173854.GA6933-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303173854.GA6933@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <44087094.18843.390C0F0@localhost> On 3 Mar 2006 at 12:38, William O'Higgins Witteman (William O'Higgins Witteman ) spaketh these wourdes: > How do you tell someone who is not using threading that "their fly is > down", i.e. their mailer is breaking threads? It annoys me, but they > probably don't even notice, and I don't want them to feel badly - I just > want them to fix/change/reconfigure their MUA. Thanks. > -- If I am one of the guilty ones, I wouldn't know how my mailer does it anyway. And, showing my ignorance for all to see, I thought threading was only something newsgroups did (many of them have an xref line in the header, where mail has no such cross-refs). It would appear to me that MUAs artificially induce threading. And when the mailer sees a reply done a little differently, it breaks that thread. pjk > > yours, > > William > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 21:49:04 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:49:04 -0500 Subject: open source license questions Message-ID: <4386c5b20603031349y7d916cbi874360aa6c1752@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I wrote a while back asking about an open source license option for another developer who had their own to-do manager, which was -- and is -- closed source. NOW, I've finished development on the first release of my to-be-open-sourced to-do list manager, called Gravity GTD: http://gravity-gtd.sourceforge.net No files are there yet because I have to resolve a couple of licensing issues, and I'd like the advice of the brilliant folks on this list. I want to use the GPL, but currently there are two pieces of functionality in my app which were developed by other developers. I've written to them requesting they make their components GPL compatible, but haven't heard back from either. However, both pieces appear to be unlicensed in any formal way. One piece has a note which gives credit to the author and the note: "Keep this notice intact for use". The other piece does the same thing. Does that mean these pieces of code are in the public domain? If so, does that mean I can include the code in my GPL'd project? Thanks for your help! Cheers, Aaron. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 21:54:33 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:54:33 -0500 Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: <44087094.18843.390C0F0@localhost> References: <20060303173854.GA6933@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <44087094.18843.390C0F0@localhost> Message-ID: <20060303215433.GA8006@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 04:36:36PM -0500, Paul King wrote: >On 3 Mar 2006 at 12:38, William O'Higgins Witteman (William O'Higgins Witteman ) spaketh these wourdes: > >> How do you tell someone who is not using threading that "their fly is >> down", i.e. their mailer is breaking threads? It annoys me, but they >> probably don't even notice, and I don't want them to feel badly - I just >> want them to fix/change/reconfigure their MUA. Thanks. >If I am one of the guilty ones, I wouldn't know how my mailer does it >anyway. And, showing my ignorance for all to see, I thought threading >was only something newsgroups did (many of them have an xref line in >the header, where mail has no such cross-refs). It would appear to me >that MUAs artificially induce threading. And when the mailer sees a >reply done a little differently, it breaks that thread. Close. The header most often referenced is In-Reply-To, as referenced by RFC 822. Some mail clients and mail transfer agents munge this header to their own ends, which "is considered harmful": http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 16:54 -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 04:36:36PM -0500, Paul King wrote: > >On 3 Mar 2006 at 12:38, William O'Higgins Witteman (William O'Higgins Witteman ) spaketh these wourdes: > > > >> How do you tell someone who is not using threading that "their fly is > >> down", i.e. their mailer is breaking threads? It annoys me, but they > >> probably don't even notice, and I don't want them to feel badly - I just > >> want them to fix/change/reconfigure their MUA. Thanks. > > >If I am one of the guilty ones, I wouldn't know how my mailer does it > >anyway. And, showing my ignorance for all to see, I thought threading > >was only something newsgroups did (many of them have an xref line in > >the header, where mail has no such cross-refs). It would appear to me > >that MUAs artificially induce threading. And when the mailer sees a > >reply done a little differently, it breaks that thread. > > Close. The header most often referenced is In-Reply-To, as referenced > by RFC 822. Some mail clients and mail transfer agents munge this > header to their own ends, which "is considered harmful": > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 00:02:39 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:02:39 -0500 Subject: KWLUG Meeting Monday: Electronics Hacker Time! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200603031902.39824.interlug@weait.net> Relayed on behalf of our fearless Announcer. To be clear, this announcement is in regards to the KWLUG meeting of this coming Monday, 06 March 2006. All Linux enthusiasts are welcome. So if you are stuck west of the cityMonday afternoon and want to let the traffic die down. Come to KWLUG. Our new Motto. "It's better than being stuck on the 401 between Dixie and 427." > Hey kids! > > Boy do we have a fun show for you this Monday! Instrumentation > and CLUE and websites and keyrings, with nary a weather prediction in > sight! > > As an appetizer, during the pre-meeting (6pm-7pm) Richard will be > running a key-signing. This is an event where people get together to > exchange GPG (GNU Privacy Guard) keys and laugh at each other's photo-IDs. > You can then use these keys to verify your identity when sending e-mails, > and let other people send you encrypted e-mails. > > Richard has posted some instructions about this process on his > website: > http://www.dyoh.com/?q=node/view/10 > He's so excited about event this he has been wandering around in a > daze, calling himself the KeyMaster. (His joke, not mine, but if > Sigourney Weaver (or, I guess, Rick Moranis) shows up I'm ducking for > cover.) [Nice nesting of brackets, Paul -ed] > Also at 6pm Charles will be showing a Linux training video, which > I think will be on backups. > > At 7pm we have the main event, emceed by John Kerr: "Tcl/Tk and > the Open Instrumentation Project", which will be presented by Peter > Hiscocks and James Gaston of Ryerson University in Toronto. This project > aims to create low-cost electronics labs that run on open-source software. > > In addition we'll have two other short announcement/demos: Evan > Leibovitch from CLUE (the Canadian Linux User's Exchange) will talk about > that group's upcoming initiatives and events, and Richard will talk about > the new KWLUG website. > > If you are interested, you can test-run betas of the new website > at: > http://drupal.kwlug.org > http://www.kwlug.org/joomla > > The meeting will be at the usual location, namely: > > The Working Centre > 43 Queen Street South > Kitchener > (Between King and Charles streets) > > As usual, there is free horseless carriage parking at the back lot > after 6pm, and free bike parking at the back all the time. > > - Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 00:10:54 2006 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:10:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: References: <20060303173854.GA6933@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4408A47B.4090306@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, Vlad wrote: > Speaking of list etiquette... > > I've read the guidelines, and they say "Unsolicited commercial > advertising will not be tolerated." - how would that work for an > individual wanting to sell a couple of very-Linux-friendly servers? > (Think IBM.) Some general workstation-grade hardware that's still > quite Linux-friendly? ;) Private sales (esp Linux/computer related) are generally not included in the commercial prohibition on LUG lists. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net We are open 24x365 for technical support. Call us in a crisis. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 00:15:59 2006 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:15:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Security In-Reply-To: <200603031635.34279.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200603031635.34279.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, JM wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone ever deployed KVM Over IP? in w/c access will be coming from the > internet. How do you secure the access? Would you recommend using it and > deploying it in the wild? If you want remote console access I'd recommend using a serial console and locking down the box with access to the serial console in a big way (ssh with pub key access only). This won't give you access to the bios but this is not a big deal in my experience. Set the bios properly once (allow booting from cdrom) and forget it. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net We are open 24x365 for technical support. Call us in a crisis. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 00:51:41 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:51:41 -0500 Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: References: <20060303173854.GA6933@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4408A47B.4090306@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4408E49D.2020705@vianet.ca> Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, Jamon Camisso wrote: > >> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >> >>> How do you tell someone who is not using threading >> What is 'threading'? I know what top-posting is but not threading... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 01:01:56 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:01:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux World Canada show meeting. Message-ID: <20060304010156.29001.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Some more thoughts in advance of the meeting to plan the GTALug booth at the Linux World Canada show this April. The planning meeting will be March 6th, 7:00 PM at the Starbucks Coffee shop inside the Yonge & Eglinton Indigo book store. - Have exchanged e-mails with Behdad Esfahbod, and he thinks he will probably be able to get 1,000 Fedora Core DVDs for the show. Bill Thanis has I gather received 500 copies of Ubuntu for give-aways at the show. - Getting stuff for the show is appreciated, BUT before someone starts going after stuff to pass out at the show I want to know about it. It would get messy if multiple people showed up at a particular firm asking on behalf of GTALug. - Spoke to the powers that be at Innovation Toronto, looks like we are good for booth furnishings (basically the same stuff as we had last year). Now, Innovation Toronto had furnishings for a 10' x 20' booth, and last year using masking tape I laid out a 10' x 10' booth in the back warehouse. Then what I did was pick and choose parts until I had a combo that seemed to work. Question is can we do better :-) . For those who did not attend or don't recall what the booth looked like last year have a look at the following: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8262 - Also, it may be possible (details are still in the air) for volunteers to get a reward for volunteering though Innovation Toronto. The reward in question would be an old PC. If anyone on this list doesn't have enough PC hardware, here is a way to get more :-) . - Do we want carpeting for the booth? Last year we were on bare concrete, as I did not come up with a 10' x 10' carpet (granted carpet was a non-issue for me, so I didn't really try on that score). Do we want to change that around? - Do we want buttons for the show? The sort of buttons I am thinking about are 2.25" (57 mm) round metal badges with a safety pin on the back, the likes of which could be seen during the last election with "Vote for xxxxx" type messages printed on them. The reason I ask is because I have a simple metal button press, and I could very easily/cheaply do a MODEST number of custom buttons with stuff like "Join GTALug", or "I'm <> and I'm a GTALug supporter" or ... The only catch here is that I need more badge parts that would need to be ordered from the U.S. (soon). - Gordon Chillcott contacted me off list and he noted that his consulting firm recently had a trade show booth where they offered several kinds of munchies. What seemed to really attract people in his experience were small wrapped mint flavoured chocolates. Also, for insurance purposes I gather anything with nuts is out (with the possible exception of user groups :-) ), so the peanut question is answered there. The question of what (if any) attention should we pay to other allergies and/or religious concerns (i.e.: halal/kosher) stands. Further, while we have permission from Plum Communications to offer small edible goodies, seems we still need an ok from the convention centre (sigh). Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 01:13:32 2006 From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:13:32 -0500 Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: References: <20060303173854.GA6933@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4408A47B.4090306@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On 3/3/06, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, Jamon Camisso wrote: > > > William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > >> How do you tell someone who is not using threading that "their fly is > >> down", i.e. their mailer is breaking threads? It annoys me, but they > >> probably don't even notice, and I don't want them to feel badly - I just > >> want them to fix/change/reconfigure their MUA. Thanks. > > > > There's been quite a lot of top-posting lately too ;) > > And ignoring the adminition that appears in every e-mail to the > list: > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ mea culpa. I just realized there's a way to switch off gmail's rich text formatting. Cheers, Randy > > -- > Chris F.A. Johnson > =================================================================== > Author: > Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world --John Lennon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 01:31:40 2006 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:31:40 -0500 Subject: Getting jiggy with it Message-ID: <768631270603031731n2dc7e361o7a8a154f160e6d5@mail.gmail.com> I admit it. I am frugal! So I always look for the cheapest way out of a problem. Moving to Canada was a bit of a challenge to rebuild my lab, especially since servers consume a huge amount of power and take up a tremendous amount of space.. neither of which are cheap here. So I came upon a solution.. MiniITX. But damn it is so expensive... So I started to look for a cheaper way out.. Then I came upon this site http://www.linux-hacker.net/ Basically you got tons of devices out there, from linksys routers to thin clients to web terminals that are all capable of running Linux, FreeBSD etc.. So I started looking ... Luckily I came upon a guy in Orangeville who had 2 thin clients; netier xl2000 (AMD k6-2, x86 motherboard, onboard ethernet, WOL and PXE).. I got them for 30 bucks each. then hooked up with some guys selling internal laptop ide cables ( cablesonline.net)... plugged in a laptop ide cable.. a PXE boot later and I have freeBSD running on it. Now you can get these suckers for $9 on ebay.. lol Anyway, I thought I could share this experience for anyone else looking to setup a home network cheaply. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 02:09:01 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:09:01 -0500 Subject: Suspend/Resume X sessions? In-Reply-To: <20060303191856.GA7254-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303191856.GA7254@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4408F6BD.8080004@rogers.com> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Is it possible to log out of an X session, keeping everything active, > but making the machine available for someone else, and then later, log > back in to the same state? You don't have to log out, though you might want to lock the desktop. Linux supports up to 6 independent desktops. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 02:26:19 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:26:19 -0500 Subject: yum-less PSC 1610 driver install? Message-ID: <20060304022619.20322.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> I'm trying to install yum so I can install the driver for the HP PSC 1610. I'm getting failed ependencies on my FC2 machine. I don't want to start installing dependencies one by one -- I've tried this before and the system is never satisfied. Is there an easier way to install yum? Or is there a yum-less way to install the PSC 1610 driver> Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 02:39:50 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 21:39:50 -0500 Subject: yum-less PSC 1610 driver install? In-Reply-To: <20060304022619.20322.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060304022619.20322.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <200603032139.50704.interlug@weait.net> On Friday 03 March 2006 21:26, caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > I'm trying to install yum so I can install the driver for the HP PSC > 1610. I'm getting failed ependencies on my FC2 machine. FC2 is deprecated and "End of Life" at Fedora Foundation. To make YUM work on FC2 you need to point all of your repositories at Fedora Legacy. Start here. http://www.fedoralegacy.org/ > I don't want > to start installing dependencies one by one Use the right repos and you should be good to go. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 02:40:08 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:40:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: <20060303215433.GA8006-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303173854.GA6933@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <44087094.18843.390C0F0@localhost> <20060303215433.GA8006@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <878xrrkk54.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> Paul> If I am one of the guilty ones, I wouldn't know how my mailer does Paul> it anyway. And, showing my ignorance for all to see, I thought Paul> threading was only something newsgroups did (many of them have an Paul> xref line in the header, where mail has no such cross-refs). It Paul> would appear to me that MUAs artificially induce threading. And Paul> when the mailer sees a reply done a little differently, it breaks Paul> that thread. Xref has nothing (well, little) to do with threading. It is used to suppress articles that are posted to multiple groups or immediately mark them as read, so you don't have to read them twice. You confuse this with References, see below. William> Close. The header most often referenced is In-Reply-To, as William> referenced by RFC 822. Close :-) 822 has long been superceded by 2822, which specifies in much more detail the newer References header (which collects _all_ Message-Ids from the preceding thread, not just the last one). Mailers that conform to 822 but not 2822 (and unfortunately some are still extant, such as Eudora 5.x) are part of the problem, because some _readers_ will look at References first, and if References is botched they get confused even if In-Reply-To is correct. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 02:48:56 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:48:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Suspend/Resume X sessions? In-Reply-To: <20060303191856.GA7254-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303191856.GA7254@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <874q2elyaw.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> William> Is it possible to log out of an X session, keeping everything William> active, but making the machine available for someone else, and William> then later, log back in to the same state? In addition to all the other suggestions, there is also a Session Management Protocol (of which xsm is a prototype implementation). Unfortunately it needs support from apps which is mostly missing. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 02:54:18 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:54:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: open source license questions In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20603031349y7d916cbi874360aa6c1752-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20603031349y7d916cbi874360aa6c1752@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87zmk6kjhi.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> Aaron> However, both pieces appear to be unlicensed in any formal Aaron> way. One piece has a note which gives credit to the author and Aaron> the note: "Keep this notice intact for use". The other piece does Aaron> the same thing. Aaron> Does that mean these pieces of code are in the public domain? I am pretty sure that's not so, but IANAL. If you can't get the authors to issue a real license, you'll have to reimplement the modules yourself. How hard is that? -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 03:02:41 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 22:02:41 -0500 Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: <878xrrkk54.fsf-t7sX3kVlCqdeaUtoeC/G4l6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303173854.GA6933@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <44087094.18843.390C0F0@localhost> <20060303215433.GA8006@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <878xrrkk54.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> Message-ID: <44090351.6020604@utoronto.ca> Ian Zimmerman wrote: > Xref has nothing (well, little) to do with threading. It is used to > suppress articles that are posted to multiple groups or immediately > mark them as read, so you don't have to read them twice. You confuse > this with References, see below. > > William> Close. The header most often referenced is In-Reply-To, as > William> referenced by RFC 822. > > Close :-) > > 822 has long been superceded by 2822, which specifies in much more detail > the newer References header (which collects _all_ Message-Ids from the > preceding thread, not just the last one). > > Mailers that conform to 822 but not 2822 (and unfortunately some are > still extant, such as Eudora 5.x) are part of the problem, because some > _readers_ will look at References first, and if References is botched > they get confused even if In-Reply-To is correct. So the breakage occurs when someone replies to a message, deletes the body, and changes the subject? With a blank message and no subject the header remains and threads the message improperly (to us users, but correctly to whichever program is doing the threading) correct? Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 3 21:07:44 2006 From: jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (James McIntosh) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:07:44 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: <1141404178.29194.24.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <87fylzts20.fsf@magma.ca> <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> <44083987.3050705@rogers.com> <1141395590.29194.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <87fylzts20.fsf@magma.ca> <1141404178.29194.24.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20060303210744.81df2cd8@mail.look.ca> I'm not positive that this is on topic ... but here goes. You were discussing the intelligence of end users. Some say that users really are brain-dead incompetents. That all they know is to click on an icon. Some mention that users are intelligent people, and can be very competent in their job, and can intently resent being treated as brain-dead incompetents. Sometimes actual I.T. contractors can make major mistakes, too. I was a contractor at Workers' Compensation Board of Ontario. We had a report that one of the PCs had stopped working. We investigated. The boyfriend of the department manager was an I.T. contractor, and had deleted some files from his PC. He had deleted all the files that didn't contain legible text. Several dozen, or several hundred, or several thousand files. I have no idea why. You would be surprised how many files on a PC running OS/2 can be deleted before the operating system stops working. He was the boyfriend of the department head, so his contract was not shortened. J. E. McIntosh -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 03:10:11 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:10:11 -0500 Subject: open source license questions In-Reply-To: <87zmk6kjhi.fsf-t7sX3kVlCqdeaUtoeC/G4l6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20603031349y7d916cbi874360aa6c1752@mail.gmail.com> <87zmk6kjhi.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> Message-ID: <4386c5b20603031910q6dc01aa3w16e2fa2d1fdcbf5@mail.gmail.com> Thing is, the pieces are in Javascript, and yeah yeah, I know JS is supposed to be easy. But I stink at it, and there's so much code out there for the taking. Well, let's just say what these pieces are. Maybe you know somewhere this is already available in open source form? 1. A date selector, which pops up a nice floating calendar window. Click the date and it populates a neighbouring set of drop-down menus with Month, Day and Year. You could also just go ahead and choose from the drop down menus. http://calendar.moonscript.com/dateinput.cfm 2. A "contractible headers" script that drops down a formerly hidden block of html when you click an image. Really handy for showing a form for entering content that becomes avialable in the same section. http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex1/navigate2.htm Cheers! Aaron. On 3/3/06, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > Aaron> However, both pieces appear to be unlicensed in any formal > Aaron> way. One piece has a note which gives credit to the author and > Aaron> the note: "Keep this notice intact for use". The other piece does > Aaron> the same thing. > > Aaron> Does that mean these pieces of code are in the public domain? > > I am pretty sure that's not so, but IANAL. > > If you can't get the authors to issue a real license, you'll have to > reimplement the modules yourself. How hard is that? > > -- > A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 03:36:01 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:36:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: <44090351.6020604-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303173854.GA6933@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <44087094.18843.390C0F0@localhost> <20060303215433.GA8006@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <878xrrkk54.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> <44090351.6020604@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <87bqwmkhjz.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> Jamon> So the breakage occurs when someone replies to a message, deletes Jamon> the body, and changes the subject? With a blank message and no Jamon> subject the header remains and threads the message improperly (to Jamon> us users, but correctly to whichever program is doing the Jamon> threading) correct? Yes, that's breakage due to bad etiquette. We already covered that. :-/ But there's also breakage due to bad software, such as Eudora. It inserts a References header, but puts there all thread Message-Ids _except the last_. So a reader who assumes 2822 compliance will file the message into the right thread, but as a reply to the wrong message (the last-but-one). I have actually unsubscribed from mailing lists where Eudora users post, rather than to deal with it. But now I am working on a hack to get around it. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 03:40:37 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:40:37 -0500 Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: <4408E49D.2020705-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303173854.GA6933@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4408A47B.4090306@utoronto.ca> <4408E49D.2020705@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060304034037.GA8676@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 07:51:41PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: >What is 'threading'? I know what top-posting is but not threading... Threading is arranging emails by thread, which is to say, arranged chronologically by relationship. That's not super clear, so here's an example. I write a message, "nnnn". You respond to this message, and the subject is typically "re: nnnn". Someone responds to you, and (often) the subject of that email is also "re: nnnn". Lastly, someone else wants to start a new subject, and responds to the person who responded to you, but changes the subject to "yyyy". In a threaded display of this exchange, you're mailbox would look something like this: me nnnn you ??>re: nnnn someone ??>re: nnnn someone else ??>yyyy This is why sometimes you see people admonishing people not to reply and change the subject when starting a new topic. The original problem I was alluding to, is someone whose mailer is creating new Reply-To headers for messages that are actually replies. That would look like this: me nnnn you ??>re: nnnn someone ??>re: nnnn someone else ??>yyyy . . . a bunch of other messages, in chronological order by thread . . . brokenmailerguy re: nnnn Does that make sense? For mailing lists or personal conversations with iterations of emails, it makes a lot of sense to organize by thread, rather than by date. There are many email clients that permit threading, but no all of them turn it on by default. If you aren't using threading, then you won't notice if your mailer (or anyone else's) breaks this (admittedly fragile) structure. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 03:43:51 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:43:51 -0500 Subject: Suspend/Resume X sessions? In-Reply-To: <4408F6BD.8080004-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303191856.GA7254@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4408F6BD.8080004@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20060304034351.GB8676@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 09:09:01PM -0500, James Knott wrote: >William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >> Is it possible to log out of an X session, keeping everything active, >> but making the machine available for someone else, and then later, log >> back in to the same state? > >You don't have to log out, though you might want to lock the desktop. >Linux supports up to 6 independent desktops. I have now seen this suggestion twice - how do you "lock" your desktop? I do it constantly at work, but I don't know how to do so on Linux. Thanks to all for your suggestions, by the way, I've been reading up on them and some look like good solutions. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 03:46:50 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:46:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: <44087094.18843.390C0F0@localhost> References: <44087094.18843.390C0F0@localhost> Message-ID: <878xrqj2hi.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> Reminds me, Paul ... you still put @localhost into your Message-Ids. Can you tell us what distro you use so we can help you fix it? Arrrgh. I see you're posting from Windows. Gee. I'd better watch what I say around here. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 05:33:18 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 00:33:18 -0500 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <1140898368.4157.21.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <43FF20FE.1060703@zen.co.uk> <1140896527.4157.11.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <4400B53B.6090103@rogers.com> <1140898368.4157.21.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <20060304053318.GA8321@waltdnes.org> On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 03:12:48PM -0500, Rick Tomaschuk wrote > Most public video posting sites (Google's works!)require plugin for > embedded video which is not supported by Linux (AFAIK)also .mwv format. I think you mean wmv format. mplayerplug-in turns mplayer into a plugin, and plugger is also available. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 06:13:18 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 01:13:18 -0500 Subject: System slowdown on large disk writes In-Reply-To: <20060302212516.GB18717-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060302002718.GA14861@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20060302141247.GA3534@ettin> <20060302181750.GA17916@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20060302200351.GY29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20060302212516.GB18717@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060304061317.GB8321@waltdnes.org> On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 04:25:16PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote > On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 03:03:51PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 01:17:50PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > >> I'm copying 500Mb to 4Gb files to another location on the same ext3 > >> (I think - how would I check?) 140-odd Gb partition. > > > >I believe the default io schedular in 2.6 kernels is designed to handle > >random io pretty nicely, but can be pretty unfair if doing lots of > >sequential I/O. Perhaps trying another io scheduler, or tuning it a bit > >(it should have options in /sys or /proc somewhere) could make it > >better. > > Eeek. Okay, I've never poked into that part of the filesystem before. > I get to learn something new. I think the problem here is ext3, which is actually a glorified ext2 with some journaling overhead added. First, run hdparm and see if you really do have DMA enabled. If you're *REALLY* adventurous "man hdparm" says... -u Get/set interrupt-unmask flag for the drive. A setting of 1 permits the driver to unmask other interrupts during processing of a disk interrupt, which greatly improves Linux's responsive- ness and eliminates "serial port overrun" errors. Use this fea- ture with caution: some drive/controller combinations do not tolerate the increased I/O latencies possible when this feature is enabled, resulting in massive filesystem corruption. In par- ticular, CMD-640B and RZ1000 (E)IDE interfaces can be unreliable (due to a hardware flaw) when this option is used with kernel versions earlier than 2.0.13. Disabling the IDE prefetch fea- ture of these interfaces (usually a BIOS/CMOS setting) provides a safe fix for the problem for use with earlier kernels. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 12:49:03 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 07:49:03 -0500 Subject: Suspend/Resume X sessions? In-Reply-To: <20060304034351.GB8676-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303191856.GA7254@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4408F6BD.8080004@rogers.com> <20060304034351.GB8676@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <44098CBF.6030507@rogers.com> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 09:09:01PM -0500, James Knott wrote: >> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >>> Is it possible to log out of an X session, keeping everything active, >>> but making the machine available for someone else, and then later, log >>> back in to the same state? >> You don't have to log out, though you might want to lock the desktop. >> Linux supports up to 6 independent desktops. > > I have now seen this suggestion twice - how do you "lock" your desktop? > I do it constantly at work, but I don't know how to do so on Linux. > > Thanks to all for your suggestions, by the way, I've been reading up on > them and some look like good solutions. In KDE, you can simply lock the desktop, by right clicking and selecting lock. You can also configure the screen saver to lock the desktop. However, when you use "switch user" to select another desktop, you are also given the option to lock the current one. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 12:52:35 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 07:52:35 -0500 Subject: yum-less PSC 1610 driver install? In-Reply-To: <200603032139.50704.interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20060304022619.20322.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200603032139.50704.interlug@weait.net> Message-ID: <44098D93.3010309@vianet.ca> interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: >On Friday 03 March 2006 21:26, caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >>I'm trying to install yum so I can install the driver for the HP PSC >>1610. I'm getting failed ependencies on my FC2 machine. >> >> > >FC2 is deprecated and "End of Life" at Fedora Foundation. To make YUM >work on FC2 you need to point all of your repositories at Fedora >Legacy. > >Start here. >http://www.fedoralegacy.org/ > > Ok, thanks. I read the home page and it's descriptive not prescriptive. I don't know how to point repositories. I assume it means that when my system is looking for dependencies on the Internet it will look to the fedoralegacy site. I'll read the About and the FPQs bit by bit over the weekend as I find a few minutes here and there. If I get nowhere I'll post again on Sunday as I have to get printing. I want to show a little more initiative this time so as not to piss off too many people on the list. :) Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pwa.linux-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 12:53:05 2006 From: pwa.linux-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (PW Armstrong) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 07:53:05 -0500 Subject: new motherboard, new problems? In-Reply-To: <43FD1CDE.7020200-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <43FB5841.2070409@gmail.com> <20060221204336.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43FBCAA6.5020809@sympatico.ca> <43FD1CDE.7020200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44098DB1.1080406@gmail.com> Well, here's some insight, I think the problem is a conflict between my kvm switch (a Black Box 'personal servswitch') and the new motherboard, is this possible? I have a windows box (running xp) and my linux box hooked up to this switch, and when my mouse goes wonky, if I switch over to the windows box and then back to linux, it fixes itself. Does the mouse ever go wonky on the windows box? Sometimes it seems to jump, but then fixes itself. any idea on this? may not have anything to do with the motherboard, I guess, but it wasn't ever a problem before I switched in the new motherboard. -Peter PW Armstrong wrote: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TLUG]: new motherboard, new problems? Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:24:30 -0500 From: PW Armstrong To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Hey guys, thx for your all your suggestions, I will try them one by > one and let you know what works. > > I think I'll start first by upgrading to the current mozilla version, > and see if that makes any difference. > > And Lenn, I know I should upgrade the os, just have to do my own > research and pick one to upgrade to. But that's not a quick fix(!). > > -peter > > > John Moniz wrote: > >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 01:13:21PM -0500, PW Armstrong wrote: >>> >>> >>>> installed a new motherboard a while back (OK, OK, it's not new, >>>> but's it's new to my old computer) >>>> had some problems with monitor/graphics card settings, which I >>>> fixed with help from lenn (actually, there wasn't a problem, I just >>>> decided to ignore/not check the monitor settings, and assume it was >>>> a graphics card issue, which it is was not) >>>> >>>> but ever since the new motherboard went in, have been having a >>>> handful of other annoying glitches. >>>> In order of annoyance/inconvenience: >>>> -mouse randomly goes whacky, i.e., wanders randomly over the screen >>>> whenever I move the mouse, rather than tracking the physical mouse >>>> movement (actually, the vertical movement tracks correctly, the >>>> horizontal movement goes random) >>>> -mozilla/mozilla mail (vn 1.4.1) randomly freezes on me (never did >>>> with the original mb) (I think the first is related to a mozilla >>>> problem, since it always occurs when I'm accessing an e-mail or >>>> e-mail folder from mozilla) >>>> -when I power down, computer does not automatically shut off as it >>>> used to, even though the 'power down' command is executed >>>> The first 2 are fixed by rebooting. >>>> >>>> Oh yeah: >>>> -running RH 8 >>>> -motherboard: ASRock M810LMR >>>> >>>> Any ideas/suggestions for correcting these problems? Thx. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Perhaps your kernel is too old for the board. RH8 is after all >>> ancient. >>> >>> For the mouse, check the port and protocol settings. Some motherboards >>> require different ps2 settings (if you still use a ps2 mouse, I >>> certainly don't, given USB is much more reliable and simpler to setup). >>> >>> Mozilla only ever crashes on me if I have the flashplayer plugin >>> installed, so I just don't install that anymore. >>> >>> Of course your new board may be unstable, the cpu could be unstable, or >>> the ram could be unstable, or you have a bad bios setting or a buggy >>> bios version. >>> >>> For the poweroff, you normally need apm or acpi support for that, so >>> make sure that is enabled in the bios and that the kernel knows about >>> it, and that apmd or acpid is installed as appropriate. >>> >>> Len Sorensen >>> >> I have found on two powerdown problems very similar to yours that the >> fix was to improve the isolation of the MB from the case. You can >> prove that by running your entire system out of the case (can be >> tricky to have the power cables reach the MB). Powering off may work >> then. Anyway, I used the red washers to insulate each screw on both >> sides of the MB. It worked - on two different MBs. >> >> John. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 12:57:00 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 07:57:00 -0500 Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: <20060304034037.GA8676-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303173854.GA6933@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4408A47B.4090306@utoronto.ca> <4408E49D.2020705@vianet.ca> <20060304034037.GA8676@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <44098E9C.8020305@vianet.ca> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 07:51:41PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > > >>What is 'threading'? I know what top-posting is but not threading... >> >> > >Threading is arranging emails by thread, which is to say, arranged >chronologically by relationship. > > > > >Does that make sense? > A little out of my league. I understand enough to know not to change the subject now. Thanks. Chris > For mailing lists or personal conversations with >iterations of emails, it makes a lot of sense to organize by thread, >rather than by date. There are many email clients that permit >threading, but no all of them turn it on by default. If you aren't >using threading, then you won't notice if your mailer (or anyone else's) >breaks this (admittedly fragile) structure. > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 13:43:25 2006 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 08:43:25 -0500 Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: <878xrqj2hi.fsf-t7sX3kVlCqdeaUtoeC/G4l6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org> References: <44087094.18843.390C0F0@localhost> Message-ID: <4409532D.25171.706227E@localhost> On 3 Mar 2006 at 19:46, Ian Zimmerman (Ian Zimmerman ) spaketh these wourdes: > > Reminds me, Paul ... you still put @localhost into your Message-Ids. > Can you tell us what distro you use so we can help you fix it? > > Arrrgh. I see you're posting from Windows. Gee. I'd better watch what > I say around here. > I post from both OSes, but my address book and mail/spam auto-sorting is done in Pegasus. Seems that email is handled much better than anything I have used. I just wish Pegasus had a Linux version, but there is apparently no intention to make one. They are predisposed to the *idea* of open source, but admit a dependance on many proprietary, Windows-based libraries that make it more work than they are prepared to handle. A full statement of their position is on http://www.pmail.com/sundry/pmlinux.htm I am not yet familiar enough with my other emailer, Ximian Evolution, to see where or how it auto-sorts mail into individual mailboxes. I get in excess of 70 emails daily, and don't have time to hand-sort or delete all this (this is my current situation under Evolution). TLUG list emails are kept in their entirety as a reference, as are other mailing list email. One-quarter of what I get is spam, and Pegasus is pretty good at rooting it out and deleting it into a trash folder (so I can see that it did it right -- it hasn't been wrong yet), which permanently deletes the spam when I exit the program. Another thing I like about Pegasus, is that it is smart enough to detect foreign character sets (given a very simple filter setting) such as Korean, Cyrillic or Chinese, and automatically place them in the trash. As for "@localhost" in the Message-Id header, I don't know what to say about that. First time I've noticed it. Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 14:23:53 2006 From: mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org (Gregory D Hough) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 09:23:53 -0500 Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: <20060303173854.GA6933-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303173854.GA6933@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4409A2F9.2020501@execulink.com> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > How do you tell someone who is not using threading that "their fly is > down", i.e. their mailer is breaking threads? It annoys me, but they > probably don't even notice, and I don't want them to feel badly - I just > want them to fix/change/reconfigure their MUA. Thanks. Reach out to pull the fly up. Then stand back and see what happens next. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 14:45:21 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 06:45:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: <4409532D.25171.706227E@localhost> References: <44087094.18843.390C0F0@localhost> <4409532D.25171.706227E@localhost> Message-ID: <87mzg6clq7.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> Paul> I am not yet familiar enough with my other emailer, Ximian Paul> Evolution, to see where or how it auto-sorts mail into individual Paul> mailboxes. I get in excess of 70 emails daily, and don't have time Paul> to hand-sort or delete all this (this is my current situation Paul> under Evolution). TLUG list emails are kept in their entirety as a Paul> reference, as are other mailing list email. One-quarter of what I Paul> get is spam, and Pegasus is pretty good at rooting it out and Paul> deleting it into a trash folder (so I can see that it did it right Paul> -- it hasn't been wrong yet), which permanently deletes the spam Paul> when I exit the program. Another thing I like about Pegasus, is Paul> that it is smart enough to detect foreign character sets (given a Paul> very simple filter setting) such as Korean, Cyrillic or Chinese, Paul> and automatically place them in the trash. Pretty much any current Unix mailer will let you do all the above. Paul> As for "@localhost" in the Message-Id header, I don't know what to Paul> say about that. First time I've noticed it. It happens consistently with your posts from Windows (last 10 or so). It is very wrong, and because it's Windows I don't know how to fix it. That's why I am tempted to set a filter directing such posts to /dev/null. And this particular post of yours also has wrong References. It only References your original, not my reply, though the In-Reply-To is correct. IOW, Pegasus did just what I wrote in my other posts about old versions of Eudora. Some of your other posts by Pegasus don't have References. You'd be better off telling Pegasus not to insert References, if you can figure out how. Unlike the localhost thing --- which is a general system configuration issue --- this is just a plain bug in Pegasus, please complain. Or switch to a Unix mailer. Really. Please. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 17:26:48 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 09:26:48 -0800 Subject: Suspend/Resume X sessions? In-Reply-To: <20060304034351.GB8676-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303191856.GA7254@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4408F6BD.8080004@rogers.com> <20060304034351.GB8676@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On 3/3/06, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 09:09:01PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > >> Is it possible to log out of an X session, keeping everything active, > >> but making the machine available for someone else, and then later, log > >> back in to the same state? > > > >You don't have to log out, though you might want to lock the desktop. > >Linux supports up to 6 independent desktops. > > I have now seen this suggestion twice - how do you "lock" your desktop? > I do it constantly at work, but I don't know how to do so on Linux. It's not a Linux thing; it is an X Window System thing. The X Window System has, courtesy of Jamie Zawinski, the most incredibly sophisticated screensaver system around. http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/ It'll run on any system that has X, including Unix, BSD, Linux, VMS, and even MacOS-X. Mischevious people have added incredible varieties of modules to do clever display "hacks" of one sort or another. Commonly, you'll run xscreensaver, and configure it to run xlock after a few minutes. Or, lock immediately, via $ xscreensaver-command -lock If someone "Presses Any Key," they'll get a login prompt. If they know YOUR password, they can get back to your session. If they don't, they can enter their ID and password, and start what seems to be a separate X session. Your session will still be around... I frequently see new xscreensaver modules that I have never seen before. There are literally hundreds of them. Some simulate video games (on old systems, sometimes complete with intentionally fuzzy screens). Another simulates various equivalents to the BSOD. There are flying toasters, tributes to elder screensavers. There are literally hundreds of modules to do different clever things. -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 13:07:46 2006 From: jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (James McIntosh) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 13:07:46 Subject: open source license questions In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20603031349y7d916cbi874360aa6c1752-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20603031349y7d916cbi874360aa6c1752@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20060304130746.0ddf12ce@mail.look.ca> At 04:49 PM 2006/03/03 -0500, Aaron Vegh wrote: >Hi all, (snip) >I >want to use the GPL, but currently there are two pieces of >functionality in my app which were developed by other developers. I've >written to them requesting they make their components GPL compatible, >but haven't heard back from either. > >However, both pieces appear to be unlicensed in any formal way. One >piece has a note which gives credit to the author and the note: "Keep >this notice intact for use". The other piece does the same thing. > >Does that mean these pieces of code are in the public domain? If so, >does that mean I can include the code in my GPL'd project? > >Thanks for your help! >Cheers, >Aaron. I am not a lawyer, but I believe that in Canada, all works are copyrighted unless the author explicitly releases them into the public domain. You have not mentioned any such comment in the source code. So, the two works are copyrighted by default, and furthermore, you mention that there is embedded in the source code the message: "Keep this notice intact for use." So, obviously, the author intends to have a restriction on usage, which makes totally obvious that the author did not donate it to the public domain. James McIntosh -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 18:06:41 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:06:41 -0500 Subject: Suspend/Resume X sessions? In-Reply-To: <20060304034351.GB8676-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303191856.GA7254@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4408F6BD.8080004@rogers.com> <20060304034351.GB8676@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060304180641.GA3466@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 10:43:51PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 09:09:01PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > >> Is it possible to log out of an X session, keeping everything active, > >> but making the machine available for someone else, and then later, log > >> back in to the same state? As for your original question... short answer is 'no'. If your X session ends, that's that. > > > >You don't have to log out, though you might want to lock the desktop. > >Linux supports up to 6 independent desktops. > > I have now seen this suggestion twice - how do you "lock" your desktop? > I do it constantly at work, but I don't know how to do so on Linux. > > Thanks to all for your suggestions, by the way, I've been reading up on > them and some look like good solutions. In X: xlock In console: vlock # just single console vlock -a # everything -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 18:47:52 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:47:52 +0200 (IST) Subject: dmca cartoon Message-ID: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060122 Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 18:53:46 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:53:46 -0500 Subject: open source license questions In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20060304130746.0ddf12ce-BF7s+LSmFG27ALip+uieHQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20603031349y7d916cbi874360aa6c1752@mail.gmail.com> <3.0.6.16.20060304130746.0ddf12ce@mail.look.ca> Message-ID: <4386c5b20603041053s83ac60cr2e6c715d64394446@mail.gmail.com> Ah. And this morning, I received a message from one of the authors (the date select application -- thank god! that would have been the harder to replace) that he grants permission for me to use his code in my GPL'd project. So the opinion of all the non-lawyers here is that I can't use the code unless specifically granted the right to do so... Thanks, Aaron. On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 13:07:46, James McIntosh wrote: > At 04:49 PM 2006/03/03 -0500, Aaron Vegh wrote: > > >Hi all, > (snip) > >I > >want to use the GPL, but currently there are two pieces of > >functionality in my app which were developed by other developers. > > I've > >written to them requesting they make their components GPL compatible, > >but haven't heard back from either. > > > >However, both pieces appear to be unlicensed in any formal way. One > >piece has a note which gives credit to the author and the note: "Keep > >this notice intact for use". The other piece does the same thing. > > > >Does that mean these pieces of code are in the public domain? If so, > >does that mean I can include the code in my GPL'd project? > > > >Thanks for your help! > >Cheers, > >Aaron. > > I am not a lawyer, but I believe that in Canada, all works are copyrighted > unless the author explicitly releases them into the public domain. > > You have not mentioned any such comment in the source code. > > So, the two works are copyrighted by default, and furthermore, you mention > that there is embedded in the source code the message: "Keep this notice > intact for use." > > So, obviously, the author intends to have a restriction on usage, which > makes totally obvious that the author did not donate it to the public domain. > > > James McIntosh > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 20:01:45 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 15:01:45 -0500 Subject: Suspend/Resume X sessions? In-Reply-To: <20060304180641.GA3466-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303191856.GA7254@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20060304034351.GB8676@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20060304180641.GA3466@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <200603041501.45802.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Saturday 04 March 2006 13:06, William Park wrote: > As for your original question... short answer is 'no'. ?If your X > session ends, that's that. This is where NX technology shines. http://freenx.berlios.de/ A properly configured FreeNX server allows for suspending the session in use. This can be invoked manually or by a sudden loss of connection. Reconnecting as the same user will result in resuming where the session left off. http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/02/09/freenx.html Quote: "You will also notice that FreeNX can suspend sessions rather than close them. When you resume a suspended session, the client revalidates but still resumes midsession, at the point where you left off. " -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 21:43:18 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 16:43:18 -0500 Subject: Request to see presentations on email theory and tools [Was: List etiquette] Message-ID: <99a6c38f0603041343t26c8cdd6y4250c5ac4a20da68@mail.gmail.com> Based on some of the comments on the thread 'List etiquette' is anybody out there competent in mail theory? lol. =) I'd love to see a presentation that covers the technical aspects of SMTP and POP3/IMAP followed by a few shorter presentations on the tools people use, particularly mutt, thunderbird, evolution, and the gmail client. A closing section on etiquette and a summary of the night might make for a pretty solid night. -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 21:56:29 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 16:56:29 -0500 Subject: Request to see presentations on email theory and tools [Was: List etiquette] In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0603041343t26c8cdd6y4250c5ac4a20da68-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0603041343t26c8cdd6y4250c5ac4a20da68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141509389.9282.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-03-04 at 16:43 -0500, Scott Elcomb wrote: > Based on some of the comments on the thread 'List etiquette' is > anybody out there competent in mail theory? lol. =) > > I'd love to see a presentation that covers the technical aspects of > SMTP and POP3/IMAP followed by a few shorter presentations on the > tools people use, particularly mutt, thunderbird, evolution, and the > gmail client. A closing section on etiquette and a summary of the > night might make for a pretty solid night. Depending on the depth, such a discussion wouldn't leave time for the tools. What details about those are you looking for? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 22:13:35 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 17:13:35 -0500 Subject: Request to see presentations on email theory and tools [Was: List etiquette] In-Reply-To: <1141509389.9282.23.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0603041343t26c8cdd6y4250c5ac4a20da68@mail.gmail.com> <1141509389.9282.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0603041413tb49caf6jf924177244d3cffd@mail.gmail.com> On 3/4/06, John Van Ostrand wrote: > On Sat, 2006-03-04 at 16:43 -0500, Scott Elcomb wrote: > > Based on some of the comments on the thread 'List etiquette' is > > anybody out there competent in mail theory? lol. =) > > > > I'd love to see a presentation that covers the technical aspects of > > SMTP and POP3/IMAP followed by a few shorter presentations on the > > tools people use, particularly mutt, thunderbird, evolution, and the > > gmail client. A closing section on etiquette and a summary of the > > night might make for a pretty solid night. > > Depending on the depth, such a discussion wouldn't leave time for the > tools. 2 hours should be sufficient. (20m SMTP, 20m POP3, 20m IMAP, 10m break, 10m per client, 10m summary) > What details about those are you looking for? Details for the lay-user - what views and notable features are available for the tool. -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 22:39:10 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 17:39:10 -0500 Subject: Request to see presentations on email theory and tools [Was: List etiquette] In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0603041413tb49caf6jf924177244d3cffd-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0603041343t26c8cdd6y4250c5ac4a20da68@mail.gmail.com> <1141509389.9282.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <99a6c38f0603041413tb49caf6jf924177244d3cffd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141511950.9282.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-03-04 at 17:13 -0500, Scott Elcomb wrote: > 2 hours should be sufficient. (20m SMTP, 20m POP3, 20m IMAP, 10m > break, 10m per client, 10m summary) So for example you're suggesting SMTP would cover an overview, rfc(2)822 general message format, perhaps MIME since it's so popular, maybe go over an SMTP conversation, authentication, etc. Telnet to SMTP port and demo. POP3 is easy, 20m may be overkill (use it for SMTP). Telnet to pop3 port read mail. IMAP is more complex, give overview, show commands, telnet to imap port and demo. I'm no expert, but I could easily cover those topics. > > What details about those are you looking for? > > Details for the lay-user - what views and notable features are > available for the tool. I'm not a huge tool person. I use them but don't go deep into them. I could cover SMTP, IMAP and POP3 config for Evolution and Thunderbird. Hoe many are interested in this presentation? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 4 23:44:52 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 18:44:52 -0500 Subject: Request to see presentations on email theory and tools [Was: List etiquette] In-Reply-To: <1141511950.9282.31.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0603041343t26c8cdd6y4250c5ac4a20da68@mail.gmail.com> <1141509389.9282.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <99a6c38f0603041413tb49caf6jf924177244d3cffd@mail.gmail.com> <1141511950.9282.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <440A2674.4040708@pppoe.ca> John Van Ostrand wrote: >So for example you're suggesting SMTP would cover an overview, rfc(2)822 >general message format, perhaps MIME since it's so popular, maybe go >over an SMTP conversation, authentication, etc. Telnet to SMTP port and >demo. > >POP3 is easy, 20m may be overkill (use it for SMTP). Telnet to pop3 port >read mail. > >IMAP is more complex, give overview, show commands, telnet to imap port >and demo. > >I'm no expert, but I could easily cover those topics. > >I'm not a huge tool person. I use them but don't go deep into them. I >could cover SMTP, IMAP and POP3 config for Evolution and Thunderbird. > >Hoe many are interested in this presentation? > > Count me in :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 5 01:33:16 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:33:16 -0500 Subject: yum-less PSC 1610 driver install? In-Reply-To: <44098D93.3010309-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060304022619.20322.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200603032139.50704.interlug@weait.net> <44098D93.3010309@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <200603042033.16826.interlug@weait.net> On Saturday 04 March 2006 07:52, Chris Aitken wrote: > interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >On Friday 03 March 2006 21:26, caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > >Start here. > >http://www.fedoralegacy.org/ > > Ok, thanks. I read the home page and it's descriptive not > prescriptive. I don't know how to point repositories. Sorry. Here's something more specific. http://www.fedoralegacy.org/docs/yum-fc2.php > I assume it > means that when my system is looking for dependencies on the Internet > it will look to the fedoralegacy site. Yes. This is described in the link in more detail, but the key is to update /etc/yum.conf -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 5 03:03:33 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 22:03:33 -0500 Subject: yum-less PSC 1610 driver install? In-Reply-To: <200603042033.16826.interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20060304022619.20322.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200603032139.50704.interlug@weait.net> <44098D93.3010309@vianet.ca> <200603042033.16826.interlug@weait.net> Message-ID: <440A5505.7050704@vianet.ca> interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: >On Saturday 04 March 2006 07:52, Chris Aitken wrote: > > >>interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: >> >> >>>On Friday 03 March 2006 21:26, caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> >>> > > > >>>Start here. >>>http://www.fedoralegacy.org/ >>> >>> >>Ok, thanks. I read the home page and it's descriptive not >>prescriptive. I don't know how to point repositories. >> >> > >Sorry. Here's something more specific. >http://www.fedoralegacy.org/docs/yum-fc2.php > > > >>I assume it >>means that when my system is looking for dependencies on the Internet >>it will look to the fedoralegacy site. >> >> > >Yes. This is described in the link in more detail, but the key is to >update /etc/yum.conf > > I have no yum -- apparently I need python and gettext and li* and God knows what else...before I can install yum with which I can install the hplip driver. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 5 08:51:48 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:51:48 +0200 (IST) Subject: yum-less PSC 1610 driver install? In-Reply-To: <440A5505.7050704-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060304022619.20322.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200603032139.50704.interlug@weait.net> <44098D93.3010309@vianet.ca> <200603042033.16826.interlug@weait.net> <440A5505.7050704@vianet.ca> Message-ID: Can you not work with ptal instead ? I use ptal with a 1310 USB. good luck, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 5 14:35:03 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 09:35:03 -0500 Subject: yum-less PSC 1610 driver install? In-Reply-To: References: <20060304022619.20322.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200603032139.50704.interlug@weait.net> <44098D93.3010309@vianet.ca> <200603042033.16826.interlug@weait.net> <440A5505.7050704@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <440AF717.3090308@vianet.ca> Peter wrote: > > Can you not work with ptal instead ? I use ptal with a 1310 USB. Hmm. I read a little about that. Never tried it. Lots of questions there. Is it something I install or just run? Is it included on RH9? Would I be printing from command line instead of GUI apps (like OO)? Is printing across a network a problem (the hp psc 1610 is on another machine)? The problem for me with anything on linux (because of time constaints and lack of understanding about the ten peripheral topics that I have to learn everytime I want to do anything new) is that I have to pick a solution and just go after it (no matter what). So, I have to choose ptal or hplip or whatever and keep hakcing away at it no matter where it takes me (library instals, OS installs, software install...). This is not going to happen for me today, obviously. The HP PSC 1610 is hooked up to my production machine (P733). I got it printing by following the instructions to install hplip using yum. Now I want my wife/business partner) to be able to print to that printer across the network from her production machine (AMD Duron 800). My machine has FC2 on it and is pretty friendly to new things now as I have done so much work on it (libraries and such) to get Thunderbird, and Rosegarden (and maybe a couple of other things) installed and working. My wife's machine is RH8 (Psyche), however, and is more anemic of libraries. I may have to install FC2 on her machine over the March Break -- that way I can take my successful P733 troubleshoots and repeat them on the AMD800. I would consider FC4 on both machines as the HP PSC 1610 driver is probably there, but I would have to see is my machines will work OK with that OS. Also, I don't have the FC4 CDs and have never made bootable OS CDs before - though I have a burner on P733 and know how to use it. All these things tkae time to learn/do so I also have to decide if I want to have her printing in on month, tow months or three months. I'm not being dramatic here. I have two jobs, travel 1000 km a week. The time I have to devote to this is precious little. However, I am determined -- I've been using linux for years now - it's what we run our home business on. I won't use Windows, on moral grounds. I don't even have that interface (what is it called, anyway?) on the AMD800 machine that comes up when I type http://localhost:631/ on the P733 machine. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 5 14:57:23 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:57:23 -0500 Subject: Home Sysadmin WAS: yum-less PSC 1610 driver install? In-Reply-To: <440AF717.3090308-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060304022619.20322.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <440AF717.3090308@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <200603050957.24742.interlug@weait.net> On Sunday 05 March 2006 09:35, Chris Aitken wrote: > I would consider FC4 on both machines as the HP PSC 1610 driver is > probably there, but I would have to see is my machines will work OK > with that OS. I would expect current releases to be better for you. You are making things a little more complicated for yourself by having to support two different (and older) distros in RH8 and FC2. > I don't even have that interface (what is it called, anyway?) on the > AMD800 machine that comes up when I type http://localhost:631/ on the > P733 machine. "CUPS" Sorry my earlier replies weren't helpful. Again, a current release would be expected to have a working update mechanism (rather than having to tweak it by changing to 'legacy') If you don't have a compelling reason to stay on the older versions and don't have the time and motivation to bring them up to date by tweaking ... I've occasionally thought that there is a potential 'market' for a home sysadmin service for Linux. Would you outsource your admin tasks so that you could have the Linux advantages without having to admin the boxes yourself? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 5 16:12:41 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:12:41 -0500 Subject: Survey says running Linux is cheaper than Windows Message-ID: <1141575161.4387.1.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Forwarded message below NETWORK WORLD NEWSLETTER: PHIL HOCHMUTH ON LINUX 02/15/06 Today's focus: Survey says running Linux is cheaper than Windows Dear rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org, In this issue: * OSDL study counters Microsoft's claims about Linux TCO * Links related to Linux * Featured reader resource _______________________________________________________________ Today's focus: Survey says running Linux is cheaper than Windows By Phil Hochmuth The Open Source Development Lab (OSDL) this week released a study countering claims by Microsoft that running a Linux-based computing infrastructure has a higher total cost of ownership than operating a Windows environment. A recent survey of server administrators found that Linux allowed server administrators to manage more servers per person, resolve operating system problems faster, and spend less time patching software for security purposes than administrators of Windows servers. The study - authored by research firm Enterprise Management Associates and funded by Levanta, a Linux management software firm - surveyed 200 IT professionals, ranging from small organizations with around 20 servers, to large enterprises with over 1,000 machines in a data center, from such industries as finance, manufacturing, retail, education, service providers, media, and telecommunications. The survey found, among many things, that the average Linux administrator had responsibility for 68 servers, while Windows admins handled 32 servers. Over 80% of the respondents said they used remote management tools for controlling their Linux servers. The study's main goal is to refute the "Get the Facts" campaign Microsoft is running, where it uses industry studies and research showing that running a Linux-based network is more laborious and expensive than running a Windows shop. Both the OSDL study and Get the Facts campaign clearly have points of view behind their research, which must be taken into consideration when comparing Linux/Windows TCO figures presented by the two camps. Today's 10 most-read stories 1. Wacky requests from end users 2. How do the feds tap phone lines? 3. The new network switch 4. Cisco launches security mgmt. platform 5. Getting a handle on mystery bandwidth use 6. Security titans ready for showdown at RSA 7. Is Apple creating the FCC's worst fear? 8. The IT profession in the year 2010 9. LANDesk rules the roost in desktop management 10. Ice cream machine highlights cool stuff at DEMO _______________________________________________________________ To contact: Phil Hochmuth Phil Hochmuth is a Network World Senior Editor and a former systems integrator. You can reach him at . -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 5 17:52:46 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:52:46 +0200 (IST) Subject: yum-less PSC 1610 driver install? In-Reply-To: <440AF717.3090308-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060304022619.20322.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200603032139.50704.interlug@weait.net> <44098D93.3010309@vianet.ca> <200603042033.16826.interlug@weait.net> <440A5505.7050704@vianet.ca> <440AF717.3090308@vianet.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Chris Aitken wrote: > Peter wrote: >> >> Can you not work with ptal instead ? I use ptal with a 1310 USB. > > Hmm. I read a little about that. Never tried it. Lots of questions there. Is > it something I install or just run? Is it included on RH9? Would I be > printing from command line instead of GUI apps (like OO)? Is printing across > a network a problem (the hp psc 1610 is on another machine)? I don't know about RH, ptal works with cups. If you have cups you can use ptal. I do not know if the 1610 is supported in ptal, but it should be. Go to the ptal page and see. The install instructions work great. > The problem for me with anything on linux (because of time constaints and > lack of understanding about the ten peripheral topics that I have to learn > everytime I want to do anything new) is that I have to pick a solution and > just go after it (no matter what). So, I have to choose ptal or hplip or > whatever and keep hakcing away at it no matter where it takes me (library > instals, OS installs, software install...). Tell me about it. My problem with Windows is, that five minutes after someone confidently tells me that 'Windows works great and is compatible with all hardware' we discover that there is no driver disk because it was misplaced. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 5 19:28:58 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 14:28:58 -0500 Subject: Home Sysadmin WAS: yum-less PSC 1610 driver install? In-Reply-To: <200603050957.24742.interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20060304022619.20322.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <440AF717.3090308@vianet.ca> <200603050957.24742.interlug@weait.net> Message-ID: <440B3BFA.1020608@vianet.ca> interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: >On Sunday 05 March 2006 09:35, Chris Aitken wrote: > > > >>I would consider FC4 on both machines as the HP PSC 1610 driver is >>probably there, but I would have to see is my machines will work OK >>with that OS. >> >> > > I would expect current releases to be better for you. You are making >things a little more complicated for yourself by having to support two >different (and older) distros in RH8 and FC2. > > > >>I don't even have that interface (what is it called, anyway?) on the >>AMD800 machine that comes up when I type http://localhost:631/ on the >>P733 machine. >> >> > > "CUPS" > > Sorry my earlier replies weren't helpful. Again, a current release >would be expected to have a working update mechanism (rather than >having to tweak it by changing to 'legacy') If you don't have a >compelling reason to stay on the older versions and don't have the time >and motivation to bring them up to date by tweaking ... > > I've occasionally thought that there is a potential 'market' for a >home sysadmin service for Linux. Would you outsource your admin tasks >so that you could have the Linux advantages without having to admin the >boxes yourself? > > Actually I have already used such a service three times. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 5 23:05:06 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:05:06 -0500 Subject: different location than /tmp Message-ID: <440B6EA2.9080107@vianet.ca> I am trying to download an ISO for the first time. I am getting the error, 'There is not enough room on the disk to save /tmp/aqxi1g8f.exe. Remove unnecessary files from the disk and try again, or try saving in a different location.' Well, I /am/ tring to save to a different location - to a separate hard drive, '/backupdrive' as it has 5 free GB. But how do I specify a different place for temp file to go than /tmp? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 5 23:06:35 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:06:35 -0500 Subject: different location than /tmp In-Reply-To: <440B6EA2.9080107-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440B6EA2.9080107@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <440B6EFB.1060508@vianet.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > I am trying to download an ISO for the first time. I am getting the > error, 'There is not enough room on the disk to save > /tmp/aqxi1g8f.exe. Remove unnecessary files from the disk and try again, Can I pretty much delete anything I want from /tmp without running into problems? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 5 23:11:25 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:11:25 -0500 Subject: different location than /tmp In-Reply-To: <440B6EFB.1060508-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440B6EA2.9080107@vianet.ca> <440B6EFB.1060508@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <440B701D.7060104@vianet.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I am trying to download an ISO for the first time. I am getting the >> error, 'There is not enough room on the disk to save >> /tmp/aqxi1g8f.exe. Remove unnecessary files from the disk and try again, > > > Can I pretty much delete anything I want from /tmp without running > into problems? I just deleted, for instance, something called xses-chris.[alpha-numberic ID]. I didn't know what it was but I needed to free up some /tmp space just to send these emails. > > Chris > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From arpadtoth-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 5 23:23:46 2006 From: arpadtoth-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Arpad Toth) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:23:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: different location than /tmp In-Reply-To: <440B6EA2.9080107-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440B6EA2.9080107@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060305232346.63976.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> --- Chris Aitken wrote: > I am trying to download an ISO for the first time. I > am getting the > error, 'There is not enough room on the disk to save > /tmp/aqxi1g8f.exe. > Remove unnecessary files from the disk and try > again, or try saving in a > different location.' Well, I /am/ tring to save to a > different location > - to a separate hard drive, '/backupdrive' as it has > 5 free GB. But how > do I specify a different place for temp file to go > than /tmp? > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > if u use firefox to download that iso, change the download target directory, go Edit, Preferences, download, and click on "save all file to this directory" and select the one u wanna use...u should be ok now... RP __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 5 23:26:07 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:26:07 -0500 Subject: different location than /tmp In-Reply-To: <440B6EA2.9080107-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440B6EA2.9080107@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <440B738F.5080002@vianet.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > I am trying to download an ISO for the first time. I am getting the > error, 'There is not enough room on the disk to save > /tmp/aqxi1g8f.exe. Remove unnecessary files from the disk and try > again, or try saving in a different location.' Well, I /am/ tring to > save to a different location - to a separate hard drive, > '/backupdrive' as it has 5 free GB. But how do I specify a different > place for temp file to go than /tmp? I thought maybe there would be an option in wget to specify where temp file goes, bnut I don't see any such thing in wget --help or man wget... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 5 23:28:05 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:28:05 -0500 Subject: different location than /tmp In-Reply-To: <440B6EA2.9080107-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440B6EA2.9080107@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <440B7405.3050309@rogers.com> Chris Aitken wrote: > I am trying to download an ISO for the first time. I am getting the > error, 'There is not enough room on the disk to save /tmp/aqxi1g8f.exe. > Remove unnecessary files from the disk and try again, or try saving in a > different location.' Well, I /am/ tring to save to a different location > - to a separate hard drive, '/backupdrive' as it has 5 free GB. But how > do I specify a different place for temp file to go than /tmp? If all else fails, you could always create a link from /tmp to somewhere else. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From arpadtoth-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 5 23:28:48 2006 From: arpadtoth-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Arpad Toth) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:28:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: different location than /tmp In-Reply-To: <440B738F.5080002-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440B738F.5080002@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060305232848.57629.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> --- Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > I am trying to download an ISO for the first time. > I am getting the > > error, 'There is not enough room on the disk to > save > > /tmp/aqxi1g8f.exe. Remove unnecessary files from > the disk and try > > again, or try saving in a different location.' > Well, I /am/ tring to > > save to a different location - to a separate hard > drive, > > '/backupdrive' as it has 5 free GB. But how do I > specify a different > > place for temp file to go than /tmp? > > I thought maybe there would be an option in wget to > specify where temp > file goes, bnut I don't see any such thing in wget > --help or man wget... > > Chris > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml with wget use the "-O" option to give the download location... RP > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 5 23:35:45 2006 From: vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org (Vince Hillier) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:35:45 -0500 Subject: different location than /tmp In-Reply-To: <440B738F.5080002-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440B6EA2.9080107@vianet.ca> <440B738F.5080002@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060305233545.GE3215@svc.hazed.ca> On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 06:26:07PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > > >I am trying to download an ISO for the first time. I am getting the > >error, 'There is not enough room on the disk to save > >/tmp/aqxi1g8f.exe. Remove unnecessary files from the disk and try > >again, or try saving in a different location.' Well, I /am/ tring to > >save to a different location - to a separate hard drive, > >'/backupdrive' as it has 5 free GB. But how do I specify a different > >place for temp file to go than /tmp? > > I thought maybe there would be an option in wget to specify where temp > file goes, bnut I don't see any such thing in wget --help or man wget... wget will download to the current PWD by default. You can link /tmp to your drive with 5GB free by typing: ln -s /tmp /backupdrive/tmp You can then run wget in /tmp with sufficient space for your download. On the other hand, why not just run wget from /backupdrive? -- Vince Hillier vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org System Administrator -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 5 23:43:16 2006 From: vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org (Vince Hillier) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:43:16 -0500 Subject: different location than /tmp In-Reply-To: <20060305233545.GE3215-GlYl5jx6glPqJdGyAr2GoA@public.gmane.org> References: <440B6EA2.9080107@vianet.ca> <440B738F.5080002@vianet.ca> <20060305233545.GE3215@svc.hazed.ca> Message-ID: <20060305234316.GF3215@svc.hazed.ca> On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 06:35:45PM -0500, Vince Hillier wrote: > On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 06:26:07PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > > >I am trying to download an ISO for the first time. I am getting the > > >error, 'There is not enough room on the disk to save > > >/tmp/aqxi1g8f.exe. Remove unnecessary files from the disk and try > > >again, or try saving in a different location.' Well, I /am/ tring to > > >save to a different location - to a separate hard drive, > > >'/backupdrive' as it has 5 free GB. But how do I specify a different > > >place for temp file to go than /tmp? > > > > I thought maybe there would be an option in wget to specify where temp > > file goes, bnut I don't see any such thing in wget --help or man wget... > > wget will download to the current PWD by default. > > You can link /tmp to your drive with 5GB free by typing: > > ln -s /tmp /backupdrive/tmp Ignore my dyslexia, ln -s /backupdrive/tmp /tmp is what you want. -- Vince Hillier vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org System Administrator -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 5 23:53:29 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:53:29 -0500 Subject: different location than /tmp In-Reply-To: <20060305232346.63976.qmail-INeKS0B+6hiA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20060305232346.63976.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <440B79F9.70604@vianet.ca> Arpad Toth wrote: >--- Chris Aitken wrote: > > > >> >> >if u use firefox to download that iso, change the >download target directory, go Edit, Preferences, >download, and click on "save all file to this >directory" and select the one u wanna use...u should >be ok now... >RP > > Darn, I use Mozilla. I looked and there seems to be nothing similar. Nice feature in Firefox though, eh? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 6 02:24:56 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 21:24:56 -0500 Subject: Request to see presentations on email theory and tools [Was: List etiquette] In-Reply-To: <440A2674.4040708-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0603041343t26c8cdd6y4250c5ac4a20da68@mail.gmail.com> <1141509389.9282.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <99a6c38f0603041413tb49caf6jf924177244d3cffd@mail.gmail.com> <1141511950.9282.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <440A2674.4040708@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <440B9D78.80405@utoronto.ca> Meng Cheah wrote: > John Van Ostrand wrote: > >> So for example you're suggesting SMTP would cover an overview, rfc(2)822 >> general message format, perhaps MIME since it's so popular, maybe go >> over an SMTP conversation, authentication, etc. Telnet to SMTP port and >> demo. >> >> POP3 is easy, 20m may be overkill (use it for SMTP). Telnet to pop3 port >> read mail. >> >> IMAP is more complex, give overview, show commands, telnet to imap port >> and demo. >> >> I'm no expert, but I could easily cover those topics. >> I'm not a huge tool person. I use them but don't go deep into them. I >> could cover SMTP, IMAP and POP3 config for Evolution and Thunderbird. >> >> Hoe many are interested in this presentation? >> >> > Count me in :-) Any mail potential discussion sounds great to me. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 6 02:48:12 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 21:48:12 -0500 Subject: Key signing / web of trust Was: spellcheck In-Reply-To: <200602281842.24757.interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10602280933p3165e94ake74304530d32885@mail.gmail.com> <20060228205249.GB7730@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <200602281842.24757.interlug@weait.net> Message-ID: <200603052148.12662.interlug@weait.net> On Tuesday 28 February 2006 18:42, interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: > On Tuesday 28 February 2006 15:52, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > > That said, I should bring my key for signing to the > > Linuxcaffe - I'm sure people there, who know me, would sign my > > key, and the cafe could act as an on-going key signing party with > > on-site caffeine :-) > > Top notch idea. In an hour I will have convinced myself that I > suggested this first. ;-) I hope that David and / or his staff is > willing to participate in this. (And I have noticed at least one > other LUG-regular during most of my visits to Linuxcaffe. I said that I thought this was a good idea, didn't I? Yes. Yes, I did. I met with David at Linuxcaffe today. He seemed really enthusiastic about being a key-signing locus. The plan is to make a sign and web page, and to have David (and interested folks on his staff) create their keys in the next few days. There will be a couple of short howto / whyto presentations over the next few weeks. If you are interested, mention it next time you see David. But give him a couple of days to put his key together. Look for an official announcement on the Linuxcaffe site before you make a special trip for a signing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 6 07:38:26 2006 From: jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org (JM) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:38:26 +0800 Subject: OT: Security In-Reply-To: References: <200603031635.34279.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Message-ID: <200603061538.26138.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Access to KVM Over IP console is via HTTPS tia, On Saturday 04 March 2006 8:15 am, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, JM wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Has anyone ever deployed KVM Over IP? in w/c access will be coming from > > the internet. How do you secure the access? Would you recommend using > > it and deploying it in the wild? > > If you want remote console access I'd recommend using a serial console and > locking down the box with access to the serial console in a big way (ssh > with pub key access only). > > This won't give you access to the bios but this is not a big deal in my > experience. Set the bios properly once (allow booting from cdrom) and > forget it. > > Rob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 6 12:16:09 2006 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 07:16:09 -0500 Subject: [OT] Kevin Mitnick film Message-ID: <440BE1B9.9565.349A97C@localhost> Hello I am sure that other people on this list saw this Emmanuel Goldstein/2600 production of the arrest and jailing of Kevin Mitnick. To register my opinion (if anyone cares :-)), I thought I would say that if those things he said were true, I don't think the main characters of the film garners my sympathy. At one point in the film, the crew is standing out in the Sun Microsystems parking lot, trying to phone in. They are scrambling for an alternate phone number, they complain about not being able to access the Web to get the phone number. No-one thinks about using the yellow pages. Also, the idea of scruffy-looking people going to corporate offices to advocate for a friend who is suffering in prison (if we agree that his reasons for being there are unjust), is bad advocacy. I don't think I would want the kind of friends that are more concerned about making a statement -- by appearing scruffy (let's face it, you have to play the game the corporate way if you want anything from them and clean up your appearance), or even by bringing a camera into lobbies and offices without permission (what do they think they are doing?) than about freeing their friend from prison -- a cause which should have been ahead of the making of the documentary. This is unbelievably immature. Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From slackrat-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 6 12:20:39 2006 From: slackrat-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: 06 Mar 2006 13:20:39 +0100 Subject: X - SU - Gnus Message-ID: <86hd6bg3xk.fsf@wanadoo.fr> Under X, if I su and run gnus 1. I cannot pick up mail from the spool - no permission - since gnus still uses 2. My outbound mail is tagged "From: " which gives rise to all kinds of horribles when my email hits spamtraps along the way This is a pretty heavy drag. Is there a way around this? CTRL-META-F? to a TTY and bringing up gnus CLI is not a viable option here and the reason therefor will eventually form the basis of another cry for help -- F?licitations Slack Rat (Bill Henderson) Dit 'NON' aux brevets Logiciels http://brevets-logiciels.info/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 6 12:36:12 2006 From: vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org (Vince Hillier) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 07:36:12 -0500 Subject: X - SU - Gnus In-Reply-To: <86hd6bg3xk.fsf-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA@public.gmane.org> References: <86hd6bg3xk.fsf@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <20060306123612.GA17895@svc.hazed.ca> On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 01:20:39PM +0100, Slack Rat wrote: > Under X, if I su and run gnus > > 1. I cannot pick up mail from the spool - no permission - since gnus > still uses > > 2. My outbound mail is tagged "From: " which > gives rise to all kinds of horribles when my email hits spamtraps > along the way > > This is a pretty heavy drag. > > Is there a way around this? Use the following: su - -- Vince Hillier vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org System Administrator -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 6 14:36:10 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 09:36:10 -0500 Subject: OT: TO to become wireless hotspot Message-ID: <440C48DA.308@pppoe.ca> http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1141643034143&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&t=TS_Home Excepts: Toronto Hydro Corp. will announce Tuesday that it plans to turn Canada's largest city into one giant wireless hotspot, directly challenging the country's major mobile phone carriers for a chunk of the $8 billion a year wireless market. The announcement Tuesday by Toronto Hydro will follow VIA Rail Canada's decision to begin offering Wi-Fi service on all its trains between Windsor and Quebec City over the course of the year. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 6 15:34:15 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 10:34:15 -0500 Subject: [OT] Kevin Mitnick film In-Reply-To: <440BE1B9.9565.349A97C@localhost> References: <440BE1B9.9565.349A97C@localhost> Message-ID: <1141659255.28550.3.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 07:16 -0500, Paul King wrote: > Hello > > I am sure that other people on this list saw this Emmanuel Goldstein/2600 > production of the arrest and jailing of Kevin Mitnick. To register my opinion (if > anyone cares :-)), I thought I would say that if those things he said were true, > I don't think the main characters of the film garners my sympathy. At one point > in the film, the crew is standing out in the Sun Microsystems parking lot, trying > to phone in. They are scrambling for an alternate phone number, they complain > about not being able to access the Web to get the phone number. No-one thinks > about using the yellow pages. It's a movie so I expect some artistic license. The Mitnick affair has been debated ever since the book "Cyberpunk" came under fire for twisting the facts about Mitnick and his friends to make a better read. However, to the movie's credit, I believe these events happened before the Web, or at least in the very early days, so not using the Web to get the phone number is probably accurate. KB > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 6 15:58:34 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:58:34 -0500 Subject: [OT] Gravity GTD Released! WAS: open source license questions Message-ID: <4386c5b20603060758p3879cbb6te1e6866ac833c484@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to all who contributed to my understanding of open source licensing, and for all the discussion around to-do list management in general. It was with your help that I have finally completed and released my new GTD (Getting Things Done) manager, known as Gravity GTD. This is the Web site: http://gravity-gtd.sourceforge.net/ Please try it out if this is something of interest to you, and let me know off-list how you like it! Cheers, Aaron. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jasonspiro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 6 16:37:27 2006 From: jasonspiro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Spiro) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:37:27 -0800 Subject: Reminder: Linux Symposium early bird deadline is tomorrow; also, LinuxWorld/NetWorkWorld Expo Message-ID: The Ottawa Linux Symposium is coming up. When I went there last year, I enjoyed it; plus, I got some good summer job leads. People like Jonathan Corbet of www.lwn.net fame and Theodore T'so were there. The conference is from Wed. July 19th to Sat. night July 22nd. You end up staying longer if you also register for the extra desktop developers' / Kernel Summit / GCC conferences that are before and after. The OLS website is http://www.linuxsymposium.org if you're interested. At http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa_Linux_Symposium there are links to the sister conference websites. Normal early registration is $350 ($200 for students.) If you register today or tomorrow, it's $300 ($150 for students). Another early bird deadline coming up is for the LinuxWorld/NetworkWorld expo right here in Toronto. That's Mon. April 24 - Wed. April 26 (there are LinuxWorld conferences in other cities too). The deadline is March 17. Admission to the trade show is free for all if you preregister at http://www.lwnwexpo.plumcom.ca. Admission to the full conference is $800 to $925 if you register before March 17. Students who sign up as volunteers get to see the presentations they volunteer at for free. Note: OLS is targeted at hobbyists who already know a fair bit about Linux. You meet lots of open-source developers working on everything from the Linux kernel to Firefox. LWN is targeted at businesspeople and the speakers focus on stuff useful to businesses. Cheers, Jason -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 6 17:04:20 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:04:20 -0500 Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car In-Reply-To: <4407A1E6.3040507-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <44052AD5.7070808@telly.org> <87r75mu4x7.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> <20060302200636.GZ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4407A1E6.3040507@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20060306170420.GA29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 08:54:46PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > You forgot to mention they also licenced the design to the Russians, for > the Lada, which is an even worse car than the Fiat! If you give drawings for a good design to someone that doesn't know what they are doing, or doesn't care, and they build it from crappy material with bad paint and they don't follow the tolerances, then it will become a bad car. The Fiat 124 was a rather good car at the time. Of course fiat only gave them the design when they were done using it so it was already rather old by then. I still can't believe Lada took the design and shortened it and made it taller and made that ugly little 4x4 thing. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 6 17:05:05 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:05:05 -0500 Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car In-Reply-To: References: <44052AD5.7070808@telly.org> <87r75mu4x7.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> <20060302200636.GZ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4407A1E6.3040507@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20060306170505.GB29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 07:16:18PM -0800, Christopher Browne wrote: > If I understand what happened there correctly, the Lada "Riva" was > produced using a former Fiat factory that was sold to the Russians and > shipped to them. Thus, it wasn't merely a similar design, but just a > shifting of the increasingly obsolete factory. > > Alas, I can't verify that :-(. Yes they did sell them the factory contents for building the car. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 6 17:06:44 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:06:44 -0500 Subject: The latest attempt at a Microsoft car In-Reply-To: <878xrsgjgl.fsf-t7sX3kVlCqdeaUtoeC/G4l6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org> References: <44052AD5.7070808@telly.org> <87r75mu4x7.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> <20060302200636.GZ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4407A1E6.3040507@rogers.com> <878xrsgjgl.fsf@ahiker.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20060306170644.GC29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 09:56:11PM -0800, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > Actually the Lada was about the best car you could get in the east bloc, > unless you had a source of hard currency. (IIRC, it has been a while) Probably true. The Scoda wasn't great, and the Trabant was just awful. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 6 17:16:03 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:16:03 -0500 Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: <44098E9C.8020305-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060303173854.GA6933@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4408A47B.4090306@utoronto.ca> <4408E49D.2020705@vianet.ca> <20060304034037.GA8676@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <44098E9C.8020305@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060306171603.GD29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 07:57:00AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > A little out of my league. I understand enough to know not to change the > subject now. Thanks. Nice email clients will insert a 'In-Reply-To: messageid' in the header, so that other clients know which excact message it is a reply to. They will usually also insert a 'References: messageids' header to show which other messages it relates to back through the reply chain, so that even if you are missing the message it is a reply to it can still be inserted somewhere close to the right place by finding the nearest parent in the thread. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 6 17:16:48 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:16:48 -0500 Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: <44087094.18843.390C0F0@localhost> References: <20060303173854.GA6933@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <44087094.18843.390C0F0@localhost> Message-ID: <20060306171648.GE29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 04:36:36PM -0500, Paul King wrote: > If I am one of the guilty ones, I wouldn't know how my mailer does it anyway. > And, showing my ignorance for all to see, I thought threading was only something > newsgroups did (many of them have an xref line in the header, where mail has no > such cross-refs). It would appear to me that MUAs artificially induce threading. > And when the mailer sees a reply done a little differently, it breaks that > thread. You are fine. Your message has the 'In-Reply-To:' header as it should. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From slackrat-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 6 19:29:27 2006 From: slackrat-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: 06 Mar 2006 20:29:27 +0100 Subject: X - SU - Gnus In-Reply-To: <20060306123612.GA17895-GlYl5jx6glPqJdGyAr2GoA@public.gmane.org> References: <86hd6bg3xk.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <20060306123612.GA17895@svc.hazed.ca> Message-ID: <863bhvgync.fsf@wanadoo.fr> Vince Hillier writes: > On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 01:20:39PM +0100, Slack Rat wrote: > > Under X, if I su and run gnus > > > > 1. I cannot pick up mail from the spool - no permission - since gnus > > still uses > > > > Use the following: > > su - > Thanks - that seems to have done the trick -- F?licitations Slack Rat (Bill Henderson) Dit 'NON' aux brevets Logiciels http://brevets-logiciels.info/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 6 23:43:40 2006 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:43:40 -0500 Subject: [OT] Kevin Mitnick film In-Reply-To: <440BE1B9.9565.349A97C@localhost> References: <440BE1B9.9565.349A97C@localhost> Message-ID: <440CC92C.9090104@rogers.com> Yeah, Mitnick was an ass-clown who got himself into trouble. What an idiot. Although he didn't deserve to get worked over by the law, or spend as much time in prison, like he did. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 7 00:34:19 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 19:34:19 -0500 Subject: [OT] Kevin Mitnick film In-Reply-To: <440BE1B9.9565.349A97C@localhost> References: <440BE1B9.9565.349A97C@localhost> Message-ID: <440CD50B.2020701@rogers.com> Paul King wrote: > Hello > > I am sure that other people on this list saw this Emmanuel Goldstein/2600 > production of the arrest and jailing of Kevin Mitnick. To register my opinion (if > anyone cares :-)), I thought I would say that if those things he said were true, > I don't think the main characters of the film garners my sympathy. At one point > in the film, the crew is standing out in the Sun Microsystems parking lot, trying > to phone in. They are scrambling for an alternate phone number, they complain > about not being able to access the Web to get the phone number. No-one thinks > about using the yellow pages. I believe they're now called "NIS". ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 7 03:03:10 2006 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:03:10 -0500 Subject: MP3 Players In-Reply-To: <4405999B.3060909-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <4403BB56.5020103@sympatico.ca> <4405999B.3060909@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <440CF7EE.7070402@sympatico.ca> Fraser Campbell wrote: > John Moniz wrote: > >> From people's experiences, do any of the USB MP3 players get >> recognized as a drive in Linux so I can do a simple MP3 file >> transfer? Are there any players known to be trouble with Linux? > > > I have a Sansa 1GB player (made by Sandisk), works just fine in Linux. > Feature-wise it's a little lacking (no ogg, fairly dumb menus) but it > works great and has an FM tuner. $119 at Costco if you're interested. Thanks to all for the pointers, it really gave me a good idea what to look for. I found a couple of players at Staples which play MP3 and Ogg (iRiver and Samsung), so that's probably the way I'll go. John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 7 03:58:17 2006 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:58:17 -0500 Subject: [OT] Kevin Mitnick film In-Reply-To: <1141659255.28550.3.camel-sLtTAFnw5m7xXJQZHMdDwiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <440BE1B9.9565.349A97C@localhost> Message-ID: <440CBE89.27782.6A83587@localhost> From: Ken Burtch > It's a movie so I expect some artistic license. The Mitnick affair has > been debated ever since the book "Cyberpunk" came under fire for > twisting the facts about Mitnick and his friends to make a better read. > However, to the movie's credit, I believe these events happened before > the Web, or at least in the very early days, so not using the Web to get > the phone number is probably accurate. > > KB No, I said that they thought of the web, (this was after 1999/possibly early 2000), but didn't think of the obvious - the yellow pages. Again, I don't wish to debate the basic premise of the film. I just wish to point out the idealistic naivete of the filmers, which I believe the makers of the film hadn't intended. Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 7 03:58:17 2006 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:58:17 -0500 Subject: [OT] Kevin Mitnick film In-Reply-To: <440CC92C.9090104-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <440BE1B9.9565.349A97C@localhost> Message-ID: <440CBE89.29019.6A835B9@localhost> As I had said in an earlier post, I don't wish to pass judgement on what Mitnick did. I only wanted to point out that if you want to get someone out of jail, you don't pull off the tactics that these documentary guys used. These guys probably did as much to prolong Kevin's stay in prison than any journalist could have. Paul From: Byron Sonne > Yeah, Mitnick was an ass-clown who got himself into trouble. What an idiot. > > Although he didn't deserve to get worked over by the law, or spend as > much time in prison, like he did. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 7 05:15:36 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 07 Mar 2006 00:15:36 -0500 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: <1141404178.29194.24.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> <44083987.3050705@rogers.com> <1141395590.29194.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <87fylzts20.fsf@magma.ca> <1141404178.29194.24.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: In my experience, if you treat people like idiots, they will (usually) act like idiots. If you treat people like they're smart, they will work harder to gain understanding. Windows treats people like they're stupid and you see the result. Tim P.S. Sorry for top posting, just following suit. Rick Tomaschuk writes: > My apologies to you. I'm somewhat jaded from an end user training point > of view. Having worked with 'professionals' in accounting, law, > engineers, medical and so on I've never been so amazed at the attitudes > of these so called 'professionals'. The attitude of which I speak have > been: > > 1) "Well I've bought the best computer out there...why doesn't it > work??" which translates into: "Well I've bought the best car on the > market...now you expect me to learn how to drive too???" > > 2) "No I didn't delete anything." (when its so blatantly obvious that > they or someone did hence the reason for their PC not working properly.) > > 3) "Why doesn't the server work? Someone was just in last week." This > from an office manager whose server in a law firm supporting 30 users > was of less quality than my desktop at home and they are too cheap to > put out some $$ to upgrade it. > > While many of the 'professionals' may be adequate for their chosen > profession I sincerely question their mental capacity from a > technological point of view hence my eval of them. Often times these > professionals will use 'stupid' comments to throw the tech off guard so > the be billing for the visit can be reduced. > > RickT > > > > On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 11:24 -0500, Angelina Carlton wrote: > > Rick Tomaschuk writes: > > > I agree completely. The majority of users from a technical point of view > > > are largely brain dead and from a company perspective this is generally > > > preferred. All managers and users want to know is what icon to click on > > > and how to use their applications. Computers are tools in the office. Do > > > you need a course to use a calculator? Generally no. The costs for > > > retraining are for support staff. Has anyone attend seminars on window$ > > > secruity? I have. window$ has become more complex than UNIX. As window$ > > > support costs spiral out of control due to the increasing complexity of > > > the product, UNIX/Linux looks more attractive due to its stability. > > > > I see a couple of things in this quote that reflects the IT dept in my > > company. First off, a computer is considerably more complex than a > > calculator so I cannot understand this analogy at all and am > > surprised that some one in IT would draw such a conclusion. > > > > A CNC machine is also a tool, I doubt its users just jump in there with no > > training either. Training can be very powerful, useful and time-saving, even > > if its training in IE and Excel. > > > > Secondly, even from a technical point of view, the majority users are not > > brain dead. Just because my job involves accounts and materials and > > contracts does not mean I am incapable of learning a programming > > language or recompiling a kernel. > > > > The majority of users are more likely on par intelligence wise with > > anyone of their colleagues in IT. > > > > If I am to be "trained" by someone who perceived me as brain dead then I > > have no interest in learning from them. > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 7 05:38:12 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 07 Mar 2006 00:38:12 -0500 Subject: different location than /tmp In-Reply-To: <20060305234316.GF3215-GlYl5jx6glPqJdGyAr2GoA@public.gmane.org> References: <440B6EA2.9080107@vianet.ca> <440B738F.5080002@vianet.ca> <20060305233545.GE3215@svc.hazed.ca> <20060305234316.GF3215@svc.hazed.ca> Message-ID: Vince Hillier writes: > On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 06:35:45PM -0500, Vince Hillier wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 06:26:07PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > > > > >I am trying to download an ISO for the first time. I am getting the > > > >error, 'There is not enough room on the disk to save > > > >/tmp/aqxi1g8f.exe. Remove unnecessary files from the disk and try > > > >again, or try saving in a different location.' Well, I /am/ tring to > > > >save to a different location - to a separate hard drive, > > > >'/backupdrive' as it has 5 free GB. But how do I specify a different > > > >place for temp file to go than /tmp? > > > > > > I thought maybe there would be an option in wget to specify where temp > > > file goes, bnut I don't see any such thing in wget --help or man wget... > > > > wget will download to the current PWD by default. > > > > You can link /tmp to your drive with 5GB free by typing: > > > > ln -s /tmp /backupdrive/tmp > > Ignore my dyslexia, > > ln -s /backupdrive/tmp /tmp > > is what you want. This will only work if /tmp doesn't exist, i.e. if you remove it or move it aside first. If you do this, be sure to: # chown root:root /backupdrive/tmp # chmod 1777 /backupdrive/tmp Personally, I'm not a big fan of this approach. When the system is booting up, /tmp won't be available (it will be a broken symlink) until /backupdrive is mounted. This could break boot scripts and make your system unbootable. If you want a large /tmp, it's best to make a large file system (in a spare partition or logical volume) and mount it directly on /tmp, i.e. you would have something like this in your /etc/fstab: /dev/hda7 /tmp ext3 defaults 0 2 If you don't have free disk space, you could use a bind mount (available in 2.4 and later kernels). /backupdrive/tmp /tmp none bind 0 0 This has fewer drawbacks than the symlink, IMHO. Finally, many programs honour the TMPDIR environment variable and it's common to have a large /var/tmp. In that case, just set TMPDIR=/var/tmp in your environment. Sadly, many modern developers appear to be unfamiliar with traditional UNIX conventions and standards. As a result, many modern apps don't honour TMPDIR so YMMV. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 7 20:41:34 2006 From: andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Malcolmson) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:41:34 -0500 Subject: yum-less PSC 1610 driver install? In-Reply-To: References: <20060304022619.20322.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200603032139.50704.interlug@weait.net> <44098D93.3010309@vianet.ca> <200603042033.16826.interlug@weait.net> <440A5505.7050704@vianet.ca> <440AF717.3090308@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060307204133.GA22862@playgnd.bangthedrum.net> On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 07:52:46PM +0200, Peter wrote: > > On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Chris Aitken wrote: > > >Peter wrote: > >> > >>Can you not work with ptal instead ? I use ptal with a 1310 USB. > > > >Hmm. I read a little about that. Never tried it. Lots of questions there. > >Is it something I install or just run? Is it included on RH9? Would I be > >printing from command line instead of GUI apps (like OO)? Is printing > >across a network a problem (the hp psc 1610 is on another machine)? > > I don't know about RH, ptal works with cups. If you have cups you can > use ptal. I do not know if the 1610 is supported in ptal, but it should > be. Go to the ptal page and see. The install instructions work great. No, ptal/hpoj is obsolete and is superceded by hplip, the HP Linux Printing Project, at http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net. The hpoj page itself says this. Support for even the newest products (Photosmart 2575, 3210, and 3310) is very good though the fax support for those models that have it is new and I haven't tried that yet. > >The problem for me with anything on linux (because of time constaints > >and lack of understanding about the ten peripheral topics that I have > >to learn everytime I want to do anything new) is that I have to pick > >a solution and just go after it (no matter what). So, I have to > >choose ptal or hplip or whatever and keep hakcing away at it no > >matter where it takes me (library instals, OS installs, software > >install...). Modern Linux distros will take care of dependencies as long as you use a package manager like yum/Synaptic/aptitude to install the packages you need. For instance, as you know, hplip needs cups. If you install hplip through your package manager cups will be installed automatically if needed. You don't have to get into knowing which libraries to install etc. like you did in the old days. > Tell me about it. My problem with Windows is, that five minutes after > someone confidently tells me that 'Windows works great and is > compatible with all hardware' we discover that there is no driver disk > because it was misplaced. I support the HP All-in-One products like the OP's PSC for a living and, I'll tell you, problems in getting these things to work in Windows go far beyond having to download the drivers. XP is better than earlier versions, though. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From slackrat-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 7 21:34:03 2006 From: slackrat-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: 07 Mar 2006 22:34:03 +0100 Subject: CAPA - Email Capabilities Message-ID: <86fylurlbo.fsf@wanadoo.fr> I was just wondering what is happening here with regard to my CAPA query All of the mail servers I connect to give the same response whereas I thought they would have responded if they were clued in to RFC 2449 It is no big deal, but how would I set fetchmail not to send the CAPA query anyway? fetchmail: 6.3.2 querying pop.wanadoo.fr (protocol POP3) at Tue 07 Mar 2006 10:17:22 PM CET: poll started fetchmail: POP3< +OK connected to pop3 on 1403 fetchmail: POP3> CAPA fetchmail: POP3< -ERR unknown command fetchmail: unknown command fetchmail: Repoll immediately on slackrat-Ovjtva6KxFOPmWzQiAfZCA at public.gmane.org fetchmail: POP3< +OK connected to pop3 on 1712 fetchmail: POP3> USER slackrat fetchmail: POP3< +OK name is a valid mailbox fetchmail: POP3> PASS * fetchmail: POP3< +OK user exist with that password fetchmail: POP3> STAT fetchmail: POP3< +OK 0 0 fetchmail: No mail for slackrat at pop.wanadoo.fr fetchmail: POP3> QUIT fetchmail: POP3< +OK fetchmail: 6.3.2 querying pop.wanadoo.fr (protocol POP3) at Tue 07 Mar 2006 10:17:24 PM CET: poll completed fetchmail: normal termination, status 1 -- F?licitations Slack Rat (Bill Henderson) Dit 'NON' aux brevets Logiciels http://brevets-logiciels.info/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 7 22:07:33 2006 From: vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org (Vince Hillier) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:07:33 -0500 Subject: CAPA - Email Capabilities In-Reply-To: <86fylurlbo.fsf-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA@public.gmane.org> References: <86fylurlbo.fsf@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <20060307220733.GF26935@svc.hazed.ca> On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 10:34:03PM +0100, Slack Rat wrote: > I was just wondering what is happening here with regard to my CAPA > query > > All of the mail servers I connect to give the same response whereas I > thought they would have responded if they were clued in to RFC 2449 > > It is no big deal, but how would I set fetchmail not to send the CAPA > query anyway? > > > fetchmail: 6.3.2 querying pop.wanadoo.fr (protocol POP3) at Tue 07 Mar 2006 10:17:22 PM CET: poll started > fetchmail: POP3< +OK connected to pop3 on 1403 > fetchmail: POP3> CAPA > fetchmail: POP3< -ERR unknown command Two ways to fix this: 1) Invoke fetchmail with --auth password 2) use auth password in your fetchmailrc. -- Vince Hillier vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org System Administrator -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rfk-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 7 22:36:34 2006 From: rfk-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Robert F. Kennedy) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:36:34 -0500 Subject: Necessary changes when switching static IP In-Reply-To: <20060307220733.GF26935-GlYl5jx6glPqJdGyAr2GoA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060307220733.GF26935@svc.hazed.ca> Message-ID: <024501c64237$968f8360$3702a8c0@xp64> Hello, I've got more DNS problems. I had to change my static IP because there were two services in the house that were binding to it (the virus that I have perhaps!) and it was interfering with internet traffic. Now, when I go to dnsreport.com I see that the authoritative DNS servers still have the old IP 206.248.137.83. The new IP # is 206.248.137.7. What is confusing is that I thought my server is the authoritative DNS server. I am running RH9 recently updated with yum. I am running mambo, apache, dns, postfix and mailman. My provider is Teksavvy and my domain is shambhalatoronto.org. This is what I changed: 1) my backup DNS provider dnsmadeeasy.com (also my mail backup server) 2) my ISP is reverse binding to shambhalatoronto.org and 3) I put the new IP # in with my domain registrar directnic. On the server I updated the following files: /etc/hosts /var/named/db.shambhalatoronto.org /var/named/db.rfkennedy.com Have I missed anything? Thanks, Robert -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 7 13:20:26 2006 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:20:26 -0500 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: References: <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> <1141404178.29194.24.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <200603070820.26564.dbmacg@look.ca> On March 7, 2006 12:15 am, Tim Writer wrote: > In my experience, if you treat people like idiots, they will (usually) act > like idiots. If you treat people like they're smart, they will work harder > to gain understanding. Windows treats people like they're stupid and you > see the result. When you work with people, it is a good idea to come to terms with specialties and experience. Your clients are always smart, but they have different specialties from you. You need to use your specialty to help them in their specialty. You need to establish a mutual understanding that change is not effortless, and not best undertaken alone. Clients feel guilty that the solutions to problems they face alone are not self-evident. Be cooperative. They are embarrassed to ask for your help, so put them at ease. Avoid technological pissing contests; they are not helpful. Just don't play that game. Get on your client's side and be helpful. Avoid buzzwords altogether, as a rule. Share buzzwords with your clients as you would share ammunition. You need a relationship with your clients in which they are able to benefit from your experience and your expertise. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 00:38:48 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 19:38:48 -0500 Subject: burn bootable CD from ISO Message-ID: <440E2798.1090308@vianet.ca> I downloaded the ISOs for FC4 CDs. I used K3B to burn the CDs. However, they are not bootable (I guess). I booted the computer and the installation did not begin. Yes, the BIOS is set to boot first from the CD. Any ideas? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 00:41:20 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 19:41:20 -0500 Subject: burn bootable CD from ISO In-Reply-To: <440E2798.1090308-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440E2798.1090308@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <440E2830.9020208@vianet.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > I downloaded the ISOs for FC4 CDs. > > I used K3B to burn the CDs. However, they are not bootable (I guess). > I booted the computer and the installation did not begin. Yes, the > BIOS is set to boot first from the CD. When I burned the CD I did not see an option in K3B for 'make bootable CD' or somesuch. Should I have chosen RAW or DAO instead of Data? The only other option I remember was 'Audio' which, of course, I don't want. > > Any ideas? > > Chris > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 00:49:46 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 19:49:46 -0500 Subject: burn bootable CD from ISO In-Reply-To: <440E2830.9020208-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440E2798.1090308@vianet.ca> <440E2830.9020208@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <440E2A2A.7090207@vianet.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I downloaded the ISOs for FC4 CDs. >> >> I used K3B to burn the CDs. However, they are not bootable (I guess). >> I booted the computer and the installation did not begin. Yes, the >> BIOS is set to boot first from the CD. > > > When I burned the CD I did not see an option in K3B for 'make bootable > CD' or somesuch. Should I have chosen RAW or DAO instead of Data? The > only other option I remember was 'Audio' which, of course, I don't want. Sorry. I looked a little harder and found an option, 'CD image'. I'm trying that instead of 'New Project'. Let me see if this works before anyone spends any time helping me. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 00:56:54 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 19:56:54 -0500 Subject: burn bootable CD from ISO In-Reply-To: <440E2830.9020208-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440E2798.1090308@vianet.ca> <440E2830.9020208@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <440E2BD6.6010209@telly.org> Chris Aitken wrote: > When I burned the CD I did not see an option in K3B for 'make bootable > CD' or somesuch. Should I have chosen RAW or DAO instead of Data? The > only other option I remember was 'Audio' which, of course, I don't want. If you're burning an ISO image of a CD (usually has the extension '*.iso'), in K3B you choose (from the top menu) Tools->Burn CD Image which will prompt you for the ISO image filename. That does a raw write of the image file to the CD, which automatically includes the bootable stuff if applicable. (Often only the first CD of a multi-CD set is bootable.) (Creating/importing your own custom boot information is more difficult but still possible -- however, this option is not what you want.) HTH, - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 01:10:25 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 20:10:25 -0500 Subject: burn bootable CD from ISO In-Reply-To: <440E2BD6.6010209-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <440E2798.1090308@vianet.ca> <440E2830.9020208@vianet.ca> <440E2BD6.6010209@telly.org> Message-ID: <440E2F01.3080802@vianet.ca> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > >> When I burned the CD I did not see an option in K3B for 'make >> bootable CD' or somesuch. Should I have chosen RAW or DAO instead of >> Data? The only other option I remember was 'Audio' which, of course, >> I don't want. > > > If you're burning an ISO image of a CD (usually has the extension > '*.iso'), in K3B you choose (from the top menu) > Tools->Burn CD Image Yeah, I'm OK now. I should have dug a little deeper before starting this thread. :/ Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 03:39:03 2006 From: shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (James. Q Li) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:39:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: sudoers files and apt-get upgrade Message-ID: <20060308033903.43380.qmail@web54709.mail.yahoo.com> hi, (using debian sarge stable) I can't find a good config for sudoer file to deal with the environment setup problem in recent sudo upgrade. in short, i had the following lines in my /etc/sudoers file Defaults !set_logname,env_reset,env_keep=* then my $HOME is still my user home under sudo and i am happy. however, I started to having problem about it while doing apt-get upgrade. the problem is that when doing apt-get upgrade unsing my sudo account, all of the postinst script failed because it couldn't find the path to some of the commands it invokes. for example i was trying to upgrade 'tar' today and it complains that "/var/lib/dpkg/info/tar.postinst: line 4: install-info: command not found" however, i added echo $PATH to the script and it output the correct paths. I can su - then run apt-get upgrade without problem. then i take out the above line in /etc/sudoers file, sudo apt-get upgrade is fine again. anyone had similar problem ? what's ya sudoers file setup for this? TIA, James. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 04:10:35 2006 From: vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org (Vince Hillier) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 23:10:35 -0500 Subject: sudoers files and apt-get upgrade In-Reply-To: <20060308033903.43380.qmail-sgAwGpFSw/aA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20060308033903.43380.qmail@web54709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060308041035.GE1758@svc.hazed.ca> On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 07:39:03PM -0800, James. Q Li wrote: > hi, > > (using debian sarge stable) > > I can't find a good config for sudoer file to deal with the environment setup problem in recent > sudo upgrade. in short, i had the following lines in my /etc/sudoers file > Defaults !set_logname,env_reset,env_keep=* > then my $HOME is still my user home under sudo and i am happy. > > however, I started to having problem about it while doing apt-get upgrade. the problem is that > when doing apt-get upgrade unsing my sudo account, all of the postinst script failed because it > couldn't find the path to some of the commands it invokes. > for example i was trying to upgrade 'tar' today and it complains that > "/var/lib/dpkg/info/tar.postinst: line 4: install-info: command not found" > > however, i added echo $PATH to the script and it output the correct paths. > I can su - then run apt-get upgrade without problem. > then i take out the above line in /etc/sudoers file, sudo apt-get upgrade is fine again. > > anyone had similar problem ? what's ya sudoers file setup for this? Hi James, This has been working great for me: Defaults env_reset,env_keep+="DISPLAY HOME XAUTHORIZATION" -- Vince Hillier vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org System Administrator -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 05:42:44 2006 From: shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (James. Q Li) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 21:42:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: sudoers files and apt-get upgrade In-Reply-To: <20060308041035.GE1758-GlYl5jx6glPqJdGyAr2GoA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060308041035.GE1758@svc.hazed.ca> Message-ID: <20060308054244.5763.qmail@web54707.mail.yahoo.com> --- Vince Hillier wrote: > On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 07:39:03PM -0800, James. Q Li wrote: > > hi, > > > > (using debian sarge stable) > > > > I can't find a good config for sudoer file to deal with the environment setup problem in > recent > > sudo upgrade. in short, i had the following lines in my /etc/sudoers file > > Defaults !set_logname,env_reset,env_keep=* > > then my $HOME is still my user home under sudo and i am happy. > > > > however, I started to having problem about it while doing apt-get upgrade. the problem is that > > when doing apt-get upgrade unsing my sudo account, all of the postinst script failed because > it > > couldn't find the path to some of the commands it invokes. > > for example i was trying to upgrade 'tar' today and it complains that > > "/var/lib/dpkg/info/tar.postinst: line 4: install-info: command not found" > > > > however, i added echo $PATH to the script and it output the correct paths. > > I can su - then run apt-get upgrade without problem. > > then i take out the above line in /etc/sudoers file, sudo apt-get upgrade is fine again. > > > > anyone had similar problem ? what's ya sudoers file setup for this? > > Hi James, > > This has been working great for me: > > Defaults env_reset,env_keep+="DISPLAY HOME XAUTHORIZATION" works like a charm. thanks! > > -- > Vince Hillier vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org > System Administrator James. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From BusterThelen-YDxpq3io04c at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 06:43:52 2006 From: BusterThelen-YDxpq3io04c at public.gmane.org (BusterThelen-YDxpq3io04c at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 01:43:52 EST Subject: List etiquette Message-ID: <239.827cf82.313fd728@aol.com> In a message dated 3/4/2006 9:45:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org writes: Paul> ... Another thing I like about Pegasus, is Paul> that it is smart enough to detect foreign character sets (given a Paul> very simple filter setting) such as Korean, Cyrillic or Chinese, Paul> and automatically place them in the trash. Pretty much any current Unix mailer will let you do all the above. That seems like poor etiquette to me. Are you sure you understand what etiquette is? Is it poor etiquette if I send a message that breaks threads, or is it poor etiquette to run a system that cannot handle such messages in a way that doesn't break threads? I've been led to believe that one can get under the hood of a Linux system and make it work the way you want it to work. How polite is it to lay responsibility for not breaking your system on those with other kinds of contributions to make? Etiquette has to do with behavior in POLITE society, not with following rules laid down because ignorant systems have deficiencies. How polite and mannerly are your regular group members towards those who don't understand or know how to follow your rules? Or, regarding the above excerpt, to those who happen to use foreign characters. I feel I have something to contribute to this thread, though AOL mail issued under MS Windows is all I know how to use so far. Does etiquette require me to hold my tongue until I become a geek? Your responses, or lack thereof, will tell me just how polite your society is, and from that we will all see what questions of etiquette (of any kind) are properly raised here. Robert Stitt And God said: "Do I have to do all the creating around here?" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 09:00:33 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 09:00:33 +0000 Subject: burn bootable CD from ISO In-Reply-To: <440E2BD6.6010209-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <440E2798.1090308@vianet.ca> <440E2830.9020208@vianet.ca> <440E2BD6.6010209@telly.org> Message-ID: <440E9D31.5040508@zen.co.uk> In KDE you can right click on the iso file, goto actions and select burn to cd from there, follow the defaults and you should have a working copy, don't forget to also download the md5 sum file too, as that allows k3b to check that the integrity of the iso is good, It calculates the md5 first, burns the cd, then does it again with the cd, and compares them to make sure everything is ok, Paul Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > >> When I burned the CD I did not see an option in K3B for 'make >> bootable CD' or somesuch. Should I have chosen RAW or DAO instead of >> Data? The only other option I remember was 'Audio' which, of course, >> I don't want. > > > If you're burning an ISO image of a CD (usually has the extension > '*.iso'), in K3B you choose (from the top menu) > Tools->Burn CD Image > which will prompt you for the ISO image filename. That does a raw > write of the image file to the CD, which automatically includes the > bootable stuff if applicable. (Often only the first CD of a multi-CD > set is bootable.) > > (Creating/importing your own custom boot information is more difficult > but still possible -- however, this option is not what you want.) > > HTH, > > - Evan > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 11:34:38 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:34:38 -0500 Subject: burn bootable CD from ISO In-Reply-To: <440E9D31.5040508-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <440E2798.1090308@vianet.ca> <440E2830.9020208@vianet.ca> <440E2BD6.6010209@telly.org> <440E9D31.5040508@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <440EC14E.8050801@vianet.ca> Paul Sutton wrote: > > In KDE you can right click on the iso file, goto actions and select > burn to cd from there, follow the defaults and you should have a > working copy, That's a nice feature - you don't need a searate 'burner'. > don't forget to also download the md5 sum file too, as that allows k3b > to check that the integrity of the iso is good, > It calculates the md5 first, burns the cd, then does it again with the > cd, and compares them to make sure everything is ok, Yeah, an md5 sum check kicked in before I even clicked 'start' for the burn in K3B. Thanks. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 11:53:46 2006 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:53:46 -0500 Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: <239.827cf82.313fd728-YDxpq3io04c@public.gmane.org> References: <239.827cf82.313fd728@aol.com> Message-ID: <440E7F7A.10211.D81E3CA@localhost> On 8 Mar 2006 at 1:43, BusterThelen-YDxpq3io04c at public.gmane.org spaketh these wourdes: > I feel I have something to contribute to this thread, though AOL mail issued > under MS Windows is all I know how to use so far. Does etiquette require me to > hold my tongue until I become a geek? > That is really the whole point, isn't it? I personally haven't yet found the time to know how to do the things I have listed in the UNIX mailers fabled to "do all of the above". With Pegasus, that evolution of knowledge is the accomplishment of over 10 years of continual use and some occasional fiddling. I have been on this mailing list for 11 years, and this is the first time I have had anyone complain about Pegasus botching up anything other users do. These complaints are usally reserved for Outlook and web mail users, and they usually regard the issue of exceeding 80 columns and using non-standard attachment methods (which BTW, is ironic to hear, since the at least one of the RFCs regarding MIME was co-authored by people at Microsoft). Actually, simply sending *any* attachments will get on most people's cases in this list. Frankly, my attitude is that if I am plonked by users of this list for the heinous crime of not bottom-posting (or was it "not top-posting"?) or of getting the Message-ID line in my headers wrong, or the References line, or for my spelling of the word "heinous", I certainly do not mean to inconvenience their lives with my "socially unacceptable" header lines so they are free to plonk away. I suppose the fact that Pegasus places an "@localhost" in my Message-ID will be the closest I will ever get to becoming a computer criminal. :-) As for the References line, I never notice these things, because I never view my email in a threaded way (Pegasus looks at your subject line when threading, but alphabetizes the threads so you lose information on the dates, which is why I never use that view). I sort everything by date/time, and use a non-threaded view. I'm used to it, so I don't complain. Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 13:55:09 2006 From: mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org (Gregory D Hough) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 08:55:09 -0500 Subject: List etiquette In-Reply-To: <440E7F7A.10211.D81E3CA@localhost> References: <440E7F7A.10211.D81E3CA@localhost> Message-ID: <440EE23D.8000107@execulink.com> Paul King wrote: > On 8 Mar 2006 at 1:43, BusterThelen-YDxpq3io04c at public.gmane.org spaketh these wourdes: > > >>I feel I have something to contribute to this thread, though AOL mail issued >>under MS Windows is all I know how to use so far. Does etiquette require me to >>hold my tongue until I become a geek? >> > > > That is really the whole point, isn't it? I personally haven't yet found the time > to know how to do the things I have listed in the UNIX mailers fabled to "do all > of the above". With Pegasus, that evolution of knowledge is the accomplishment of > over 10 years of continual use and some occasional fiddling. I have been on this I looked at the full header and do indeed see the at_localhost and the X-mailer: (Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c). The goal of this list should be to help fellow Linux users along in their struggle to get a grip. So here it is, my contribution to this issue. I've seen on another list a fella having problems using wine to run PM. That poster had no at_localhost in the header and was using Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31). Perhaps it is time to upgrade? Maybe this has been resolved in a newer release or maybe it is as simple as a different set of runtime options. The following means nothing to me but may be of some relavence to users of wine and or PM: 03/07/06 07:33:36 Starting Pegasus Mail under Wine 0.9.9 wine d:\Pegasus\4.12a\winpm-32.exe -i jelly -z 128 My guess is the -i switch has something ToDo with not being at_localhost. HTH Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 14:59:26 2006 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:59:26 -0500 Subject: USB stick partition problems Message-ID: Hi, I'm hoping someone else has experienced this and knows how to fix it... I've got a PNY 1GB USB 2.0 stick. When I first bought it, I was able to properly create 2 partitions and install a live distro on it (one partition around 700MB, the other around 277MB). Everything worked great. Then I needed to lend it to a friend (windows) so I deleted the partitions, booted into windows and formatted the whole stick (1GB) fat32. That worked fine. Now I am unable to repartition it in linux. When I plug it in, linux sees it as an unpartitioned device. In fdisk there are no partitions, so I can create one. If I create a 1GB partition and write changes, TWO 1GB devices show up on the desktop (one /dev/sda and one /dev/sda1), both saying they are 1GB. I am unable to write or access either however (I get mtab error). Ironically, the stick works fine in windows (as a single 1GB drive). I really want to be able to repartition the stick in linux again so that I can actually use it there! :-( Thanks for any advice! -Steve. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 15:38:56 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:38:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Unix Unanimous meeting... Message-ID: <20060308153856.66588.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> FYI: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- *** PLEASE NOTE CHANGE OF ROOM *** The next meeting of Unix Unanimous will be held at 6:45 pm on Wednesday 8 March 2006, in room BA 5256 of the Bahen Centre for Information Technology at 40 St. George Street, on the University of Toronto campus. Unix Unanimous is an informal gathering of people interested in Unix and related topics. There are no fees or membership requirements, and the meeting is open to all. Participants typically include Unix professionals, students, and hobbyists. The meeting is always held on the second Wednesday of each month. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 15:49:13 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:49:13 -0500 Subject: Bogons DNS black list Message-ID: <20060308154913.GA4502@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Does anyone use the Bogons list from http://www.completewhois.com? If so did you notice that the list increased in size 5 fold in the past couple of days? Did this cause excessive load on your DNS servers? -- Neil Watson | Gentoo Linux Network Administrator | Uptime 4 days http://watson-wilson.ca | 2.6.11.4 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ x 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 16:07:33 2006 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 11:07:33 -0500 Subject: Ruby on Rails Reference? Message-ID: <440F0145.3050605@alteeve.com> I'm trying to get into Ruby on Rails, and am used to having a reference book with me when starting any new language, etc... Unfortunatly, The Downtown Indigo had nothing, and the worlds biggest only had a (The?) book on Ruby. Nothing on Rails till later this year.(asked) So, What do current Railers(?) use for a reference to all the commands/etc avilable? The api.rubyonrails.org site is too much of an information explosion for my tastes. Thanks, Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zero-zgL5Owk5LsjZLAS6AT9qEw at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 16:11:32 2006 From: zero-zgL5Owk5LsjZLAS6AT9qEw at public.gmane.org (dan sinclair) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 11:11:32 -0500 Subject: Ruby on Rails Reference? In-Reply-To: <440F0145.3050605-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <440F0145.3050605@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <440F0234.3070005@perplexity.org> Lance F. Squire wrote: > I'm trying to get into Ruby on Rails, and am used to having a reference > book with me when starting any new language, etc... > > Unfortunatly, The Downtown Indigo had nothing, and the worlds biggest > only had a (The?) book on Ruby. Nothing on Rails till later this > year.(asked) > > So, What do current Railers(?) use for a reference to all the > commands/etc avilable? > > The api.rubyonrails.org site is too much of an information explosion for > my tastes. > http://pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/rails/index.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 16:19:09 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:19:09 -0500 Subject: USB stick partition problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61e9e2b10603080819o22daf616xfbc4d7a73c9221f1@mail.gmail.com> On 3/8/06, bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > I've got a PNY 1GB USB 2.0 stick. When I first bought it, I was able > to properly create 2 partitions and install a live distro on it (one > partition around 700MB, the other around 277MB). Everything worked > great. > > Then I needed to lend it to a friend (windows) so I deleted the > partitions, booted into windows and formatted the whole stick (1GB) > fat32. That worked fine. > > Now I am unable to repartition it in linux. When I plug it in, linux > sees it as an unpartitioned device. In fdisk there are no partitions, > so I can create one. If I create a 1GB partition and write changes, > TWO 1GB devices show up on the desktop (one /dev/sda and one > /dev/sda1), both saying they are 1GB. I am unable to write or access > either however (I get mtab error). I don't know if this will help, but I had a messed up partition table on a Sandisk MP3 USB player - couldn't read/create/delete partitions in Linux. I used the '-z' option in cfdisk to get around this. From 'man cfdisk': -z Start with zeroed partition table. This option is useful when you want to repartition your entire disk. Note: this option does not zero the partition table on the disk; rather, it simply starts the program without reading the existing partition table. My steps: # cfdisk -z /dev/sda ...then created a single FAT16 partition, wrote to disk, quit cfdisk, then created a filesystem on the new partition... # mkdosfs /dev/sda1 Works under Linux now. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 17:52:19 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:52:19 -0500 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? Message-ID: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738@mail.gmail.com> Are these external drive enclosures that draw power from the USB ports getting enough juice to run properly? I am interested in combining a 60GB laptop drive with the Bytecc HD1-U2 2.5" USB2.0 Aluminum HDD Enclosure: http://www.byteccusa.com/product/enclosure/HD-201.htm I have googled for more info and - while there are lots of places to buy it - not much more beyond that. Should work fine under Linux. Anybody have this device, or something similar? What is your experience using it? Thanks... Daniel -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 18:02:16 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:02:16 +0000 Subject: burn bootable CD from ISO In-Reply-To: <440EC14E.8050801-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440E2798.1090308@vianet.ca> <440E2830.9020208@vianet.ca> <440E2BD6.6010209@telly.org> <440E9D31.5040508@zen.co.uk> <440EC14E.8050801@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <440F1C28.9050006@zen.co.uk> I think it's integrated with k3b, but passes the required parameters / arguments, to k3b, for you.this then checks the md5 sub, allows you to set if you want to check the cd was created properly, or set creation of multiple copies. Paul Chris Aitken wrote: > Paul Sutton wrote: > >> >> In KDE you can right click on the iso file, goto actions and select >> burn to cd from there, follow the defaults and you should have a >> working copy, > > > That's a nice feature - you don't need a searate 'burner'. > >> don't forget to also download the md5 sum file too, as that allows >> k3b to check that the integrity of the iso is good, >> It calculates the md5 first, burns the cd, then does it again with >> the cd, and compares them to make sure everything is ok, > > > Yeah, an md5 sum check kicked in before I even clicked 'start' for the > burn in K3B. > > Thanks. > > Chris > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 18:07:48 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 13:07:48 -0500 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <440F1D74.90506@alteeve.com> Daniel Armstrong wrote: > Are these external drive enclosures that draw power from the USB ports > getting enough juice to run properly? > > I am interested in combining a 60GB laptop drive with the Bytecc > HD1-U2 2.5" USB2.0 Aluminum HDD Enclosure: > > http://www.byteccusa.com/product/enclosure/HD-201.htm > > I have googled for more info and - while there are lots of places to > buy it - not much more beyond that. Should work fine under Linux. > > Anybody have this device, or something similar? What is your > experience using it? > > Thanks... Daniel IIRC, Bytecc use a horrible chip which often locks up hard when you start a transfer of any decent size. I can't think of the chipset off the top of my head though, sorry. My personal opinion is to stay *far* away from Bytecc... they're cheap for a reason. On the other hand, I have had good luck with Vantec's line, though I have only used their 3.5" carriers. Generally speaking though; any carrier that draws power from the USB bus will need ~500mA which is more than the spec allows (350mA/channel). To get around this they generally give you a USB pass-through cable that provides extra power for the drive. These pass-throughs should only be put in between low-power or self-powered USB devices (ie: a mouse). The real test is to look at the power draw on the hard drive you want to use and add ~20/30mA for the controller. Then see if one or two ports will provide enough power for you. HTH Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 19:10:04 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:10:04 -0500 Subject: USB stick partition problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060308191004.GF29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:59:26AM -0500, bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > I'm hoping someone else has experienced this and knows how to fix it... > > I've got a PNY 1GB USB 2.0 stick. When I first bought it, I was able > to properly create 2 partitions and install a live distro on it (one > partition around 700MB, the other around 277MB). Everything worked > great. > > Then I needed to lend it to a friend (windows) so I deleted the > partitions, booted into windows and formatted the whole stick (1GB) > fat32. That worked fine. > > Now I am unable to repartition it in linux. When I plug it in, linux > sees it as an unpartitioned device. In fdisk there are no partitions, > so I can create one. If I create a 1GB partition and write changes, > TWO 1GB devices show up on the desktop (one /dev/sda and one > /dev/sda1), both saying they are 1GB. I am unable to write or access > either however (I get mtab error). > > Ironically, the stick works fine in windows (as a single 1GB drive). > > I really want to be able to repartition the stick in linux again so > that I can actually use it there! :-( Maybe you need to blank the start of the device with something like: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=50 That way it can't detect any FAT table signatures at the start of the device, which might be what makes it think there is a 1GB filesystem there. After that you should be able to partition it and make new filesystems. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 19:12:17 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:12:17 -0500 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <440F1D74.90506-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738@mail.gmail.com> <440F1D74.90506@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20060308191217.GG29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 01:07:48PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > IIRC, Bytecc use a horrible chip which often locks up hard when you > start a transfer of any decent size. I can't think of the chipset off > the top of my head though, sorry. My personal opinion is to stay *far* > away from Bytecc... they're cheap for a reason. > > On the other hand, I have had good luck with Vantec's line, though I > have only used their 3.5" carriers. Generally speaking though; any > carrier that draws power from the USB bus will need ~500mA which is more > than the spec allows (350mA/channel). To get around this they generally > give you a USB pass-through cable that provides extra power for the > drive. These pass-throughs should only be put in between low-power or > self-powered USB devices (ie: a mouse). > > The real test is to look at the power draw on the hard drive you want to > use and add ~20/30mA for the controller. Then see if one or two ports > will provide enough power for you. I thought USB 2.0 increased the power limit over what USB 1.1 allowed. I have certainly read of needing the extra cable on USB 1.1 systems while not needing it on USB 2.0 systems. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 19:19:21 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:19:21 -0500 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <20060308191217.GG29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738@mail.gmail.com> <440F1D74.90506@alteeve.com> <20060308191217.GG29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <440F2E39.1060707@alteeve.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 01:07:48PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: >> IIRC, Bytecc use a horrible chip which often locks up hard when you >> start a transfer of any decent size. I can't think of the chipset off >> the top of my head though, sorry. My personal opinion is to stay *far* >> away from Bytecc... they're cheap for a reason. >> >> On the other hand, I have had good luck with Vantec's line, though I >> have only used their 3.5" carriers. Generally speaking though; any >> carrier that draws power from the USB bus will need ~500mA which is more >> than the spec allows (350mA/channel). To get around this they generally >> give you a USB pass-through cable that provides extra power for the >> drive. These pass-throughs should only be put in between low-power or >> self-powered USB devices (ie: a mouse). >> >> The real test is to look at the power draw on the hard drive you want to >> use and add ~20/30mA for the controller. Then see if one or two ports >> will provide enough power for you. > > I thought USB 2.0 increased the power limit over what USB 1.1 allowed. > I have certainly read of needing the extra cable on USB 1.1 systems > while not needing it on USB 2.0 systems. > > Len Sorensen To be fair, this might have been a limitation of my PCMCIA USB2's channels as opposed to the proper USB2.0 spec... Please let me know what you find out! Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 19:22:59 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:22:59 -0500 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <440F1D74.90506-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738@mail.gmail.com> <440F1D74.90506@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10603081122g346130b9j4e79574bfbe2ce60@mail.gmail.com> On 3/8/06, Madison Kelly wrote: > Daniel Armstrong wrote: > > Are these external drive enclosures that draw power from the USB ports > > getting enough juice to run properly? > > > > I am interested in combining a 60GB laptop drive with the Bytecc > > HD1-U2 2.5" USB2.0 Aluminum HDD Enclosure: > > > IIRC, Bytecc use a horrible chip which often locks up hard when you > start a transfer of any decent size. I can't think of the chipset off > the top of my head though, sorry. My personal opinion is to stay *far* > away from Bytecc... they're cheap for a reason. > > On the other hand, I have had good luck with Vantec's line, though I > have only used their 3.5" carriers. Generally speaking though; any > carrier that draws power from the USB bus will need ~500mA which is more > than the spec allows (350mA/channel). To get around this they generally > give you a USB pass-through cable that provides extra power for the > drive. These pass-throughs should only be put in between low-power or > self-powered USB devices (ie: a mouse). > > The real test is to look at the power draw on the hard drive you want to > use and add ~20/30mA for the controller. Then see if one or two ports > will provide enough power for you. Thanks for the feedback Madison. Considering your tip about Vantec, I checked out the Vantec NexStar3 NST-260U2, a 2.5" external drive enclosure that connects to 2 USB ports for power. The laptop drive I want to make use of is a 60GB Hitachi DK23FB-60. I found a pdf of the drive specifications online. It states that during seek/read/write operations it requires power in a range of 400-450mA, but I see that at initial startup the drive draws 900mA of power. I am not familiar with electrical terms, but looking around online - if I understand correctly - it appears a USB device can draw 500mA from each USB port. Connecting to 2 USB ports should supply 1000mA and be enough power to spin up this drive and the controller? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 19:24:48 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:24:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060308192448.57947.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Daniel Armstrong wrote: > Are these external drive enclosures that draw power > from the USB ports > getting enough juice to run properly? Depends on the drive. I have one of those external boxes in to which I put a 2 GB drive (yes, I am on a TIGHT hardware budget :-( ). Any event the USB standard allows any single USB device to draw up to 500 mA (1/2 amp) of power, and that is less than that old 2 GB drive requires. Now, with my set-up that is not a big deal because the case came with a Y style USB cable. The drive eats two USB ports, but it can grab up to 1 amp of power and still be in spec.. The only machine I have where that is a real issue is with my laptop (an older laptop with only 1 USB port...). Still I could get around that, sort of, with one of the active USB hubs that come with a 5 volt power supply... but it would leave me chained to a power outlet :-( . Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 19:31:23 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:31:23 -0500 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10603081122g346130b9j4e79574bfbe2ce60-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738@mail.gmail.com> <440F1D74.90506@alteeve.com> <61e9e2b10603081122g346130b9j4e79574bfbe2ce60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <440F310B.9080109@alteeve.com> Daniel Armstrong wrote: > On 3/8/06, Madison Kelly wrote: >> Daniel Armstrong wrote: >>> Are these external drive enclosures that draw power from the USB ports >>> getting enough juice to run properly? >>> >>> I am interested in combining a 60GB laptop drive with the Bytecc >>> HD1-U2 2.5" USB2.0 Aluminum HDD Enclosure: >>> >> IIRC, Bytecc use a horrible chip which often locks up hard when you >> start a transfer of any decent size. I can't think of the chipset off >> the top of my head though, sorry. My personal opinion is to stay *far* >> away from Bytecc... they're cheap for a reason. >> >> On the other hand, I have had good luck with Vantec's line, though I >> have only used their 3.5" carriers. Generally speaking though; any >> carrier that draws power from the USB bus will need ~500mA which is more >> than the spec allows (350mA/channel). To get around this they generally >> give you a USB pass-through cable that provides extra power for the >> drive. These pass-throughs should only be put in between low-power or >> self-powered USB devices (ie: a mouse). >> >> The real test is to look at the power draw on the hard drive you want to >> use and add ~20/30mA for the controller. Then see if one or two ports >> will provide enough power for you. > > Thanks for the feedback Madison. > > Considering your tip about Vantec, I checked out the Vantec NexStar3 > NST-260U2, a 2.5" external drive enclosure that connects to 2 USB > ports for power. > > The laptop drive I want to make use of is a 60GB Hitachi DK23FB-60. I > found a pdf of the drive specifications online. It states that during > seek/read/write operations it requires power in a range of 400-450mA, > but I see that at initial startup the drive draws 900mA of power. > > I am not familiar with electrical terms, but looking around online - > if I understand correctly - it appears a USB device can draw 500mA > from each USB port. Connecting to 2 USB ports should supply 1000mA and > be enough power to spin up this drive and the controller? Are you on a laptop? After my last email I got to thinking and remember that yes, indeed, Lennart was right and that the USB2.0 specs calls for 500mA/channel. My laptop's PCMCIA USB2.0 adapter though only provided up 350mA from the PCMCIA bus and needed an external power brick to step the two channels up to 500mA/each. If you have a laptop, verify it's ability to provide the full 500mA. As for the rest, yes, two channels at 500mA each will be able to (just) handle the in-rush current (the high power draw needed when the drive spins up). Keep in mind though that you need to take the 500mA and *subtract* the power being drawn by any other device on the channel. Given the high in-rush current I would make it a point to have a dedicated secondary channel for the extra power (don't use it for anything else) and you should be good to go. Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 19:33:25 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:33:25 -0500 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <20060308192448.57947.qmail-p6KvMhi7PWKB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738@mail.gmail.com> <20060308192448.57947.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10603081133pd752a95j62238b388ca8f6c@mail.gmail.com> On 3/8/06, Colin McGregor wrote: > --- Daniel Armstrong wrote: > > Are these external drive enclosures that draw power > > from the USB ports > > getting enough juice to run properly? > > Depends on the drive. I have one of those external > boxes in to which I put a 2 GB drive (yes, I am on a > TIGHT hardware budget :-( ). Any event the USB > standard allows any single USB device to draw up to > 500 mA (1/2 amp) of power, and that is less than that > old 2 GB drive requires. Now, with my set-up that is > not a big deal because the case came with a Y style > USB cable. The drive eats two USB ports, but it can > grab up to 1 amp of power and still be in spec.. Hi Colin... Does that 500mA apply both to USB 1.1 and 2.0? This Vantec external drive enclosure uses 2 USB ports to draw power, and one of the computers I would use it on has 2 USB 1.1 ports. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 19:34:38 2006 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:34:38 -0500 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <768631270603081134m384e6eachbdc05df4f4db2cb4@mail.gmail.com> I got one from tigerdirect in Makham for 14$ and it works fine. Even with usb 1.1 On 3/8/06, Daniel Armstrong wrote: > > Are these external drive enclosures that draw power from the USB ports > getting enough juice to run properly? > > I am interested in combining a 60GB laptop drive with the Bytecc > HD1-U2 2.5" USB2.0 Aluminum HDD Enclosure: > > http://www.byteccusa.com/product/enclosure/HD-201.htm > > I have googled for more info and - while there are lots of places to > buy it - not much more beyond that. Should work fine under Linux. > > Anybody have this device, or something similar? What is your > experience using it? > > Thanks... Daniel > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 19:41:28 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:41:28 -0500 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <440F310B.9080109-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738@mail.gmail.com> <440F1D74.90506@alteeve.com> <61e9e2b10603081122g346130b9j4e79574bfbe2ce60@mail.gmail.com> <440F310B.9080109@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10603081141g1b732a86wc7ef8a96641dd348@mail.gmail.com> On 3/8/06, Madison Kelly wrote: > Are you on a laptop? After my last email I got to thinking and > remember that yes, indeed, Lennart was right and that the USB2.0 specs > calls for 500mA/channel. My laptop's PCMCIA USB2.0 adapter though only > provided up 350mA from the PCMCIA bus and needed an external power brick > to step the two channels up to 500mA/each. If you have a laptop, verify > it's ability to provide the full 500mA. One of the computers I would use this external drive enclosure is indeed a laptop- a IBM Thinkpad T23 with 2 USB 1.1 ports. Quickly searching online, I don't see anything about a specific power rating for the USB ports on this model, though. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 19:43:19 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:43:19 -0500 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <768631270603081134m384e6eachbdc05df4f4db2cb4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738@mail.gmail.com> <768631270603081134m384e6eachbdc05df4f4db2cb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10603081143i1a87c5a0re37cef0566b2dee3@mail.gmail.com> On 3/8/06, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > I got one from tigerdirect in Makham for 14$ and it works fine. Even with > usb 1.1 > Good news... (and a even better price). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 19:50:31 2006 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:50:31 -0500 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10603081143i1a87c5a0re37cef0566b2dee3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603081143i1a87c5a0re37cef0566b2dee3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c642e9$8f881070$0405a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> I would STRONGLY suggest that you open the packaging while still in the tigerdirect parking lot and test it of you can. They also have a very very cool adapter that allows you to connect a 40 pin ide device (cdrom or 3.5 harddrive) to usb 2.0 without the need for an enclosure. I would also STRONLY suggest that you take only exact money when you go to tigerdirect.. there is just too much temptation.. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Daniel > Armstrong > Sent: March 8, 2006 2:43 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power > supplies enough juice? > > On 3/8/06, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > > I got one from tigerdirect in Makham for 14$ and it works fine. Even > with > > usb 1.1 > > > > Good news... (and a even better price). > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 19:56:56 2006 From: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org (Scott C. Ripley) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:56:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: hey Daniel, > Anybody have this device, or something similar? What is your > experience using it? i ran into a power issue with a similar product: http://www.mysimon.com/Ultra_USB_2_0_2_5_inch_Hard_Disk_Drive_Enclosure_storage_enclosure_IDE_Hi_Speed_USB/4014-3014_8-31447145.html it wouldn't work on certain computers... (though on others it was fine). it had a DC input but no power adaptor... so i took a power adaptor from an old ZIP drive (seemed to have the same voltage rating as USB 2.0 - 5V i think?), cut the cord and added an appropriately connector from yet another adaptor... plugged it in... and it worked great! Scott On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Daniel Armstrong wrote: > Are these external drive enclosures that draw power from the USB ports > getting enough juice to run properly? > > I am interested in combining a 60GB laptop drive with the Bytecc > HD1-U2 2.5" USB2.0 Aluminum HDD Enclosure: > > http://www.byteccusa.com/product/enclosure/HD-201.htm > > I have googled for more info and - while there are lots of places to > buy it - not much more beyond that. Should work fine under Linux. > > Anybody have this device, or something similar? What is your > experience using it? > > Thanks... Daniel > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Scott C. Ripley phone: (416)738-6357 www: http://www.scottripley.com email: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Secure Your E-Mail! http://www.mysecuremail.com/javascrypt/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 20:04:32 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:04:32 -0500 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <000001c642e9$8f881070$0405a8c0-MlQI6EnZl2wPJunrU1OSJXVPGwe2822SptRUGzx/cGc@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603081143i1a87c5a0re37cef0566b2dee3@mail.gmail.com> <000001c642e9$8f881070$0405a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10603081204s75fcc7fv610ffb1fb889ab78@mail.gmail.com> On 3/8/06, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > I would also STRONLY suggest that you take only exact money when you go to > tigerdirect.. there is just too much temptation.. I know *that* feeling. :-) Never been in the Tigerdirect store... Markham is a bit of a haul on transit from my place at Queen/Broadview. Usually hit the College St. strip for my needs. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 20:10:46 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:10:46 -0500 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: References: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10603081210v6dc1c7cah6d849189a8e155a9@mail.gmail.com> On 3/8/06, Scott C. Ripley wrote: > i ran into a power issue with a similar product: > http://www.mysimon.com/Ultra_USB_2_0_2_5_inch_Hard_Disk_Drive_Enclosure_storage_enclosure_IDE_Hi_Speed_USB/4014-3014_8-31447145.html > > it wouldn't work on certain computers... (though on others it was fine). > > it had a DC input but no power adaptor... so i took a power adaptor from > an old ZIP drive (seemed to have the same voltage rating as USB 2.0 - 5V i > think?), cut the cord and added an appropriately connector from yet another > adaptor... plugged it in... and it worked great! Good stuff. In its original design did it connect only to a single USB port for bus power, or did it make use of 2 ports like the Vantec? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 20:30:03 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 15:30:03 -0500 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10603081204s75fcc7fv610ffb1fb889ab78-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603081143i1a87c5a0re37cef0566b2dee3@mail.gmail.com> <000001c642e9$8f881070$0405a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <61e9e2b10603081204s75fcc7fv610ffb1fb889ab78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <440F3ECB.3090006@utoronto.ca> Daniel Armstrong wrote: > On 3/8/06, Ansar Mohammed wrote: >> I would also STRONLY suggest that you take only exact money when you go to >> tigerdirect.. there is just too much temptation.. > > I know *that* feeling. :-) > > Never been in the Tigerdirect store... Markham is a bit of a haul on > transit from my place at Queen/Broadview. Usually hit the College St. > strip for my needs. I recently purchased a Vantec Nexstar 2.5" model from Filtech for $19.99. I've got a 40gig drive in it that runs off my Asus laptop very well without any power adapter or doubled up cable (it does come with the 2 port cable however). Simple and cheap, I highly recommend it. Nothing fancy but it works. Checking the filtech site now, they don't seem to have the model I purchased anymore (NST-250U2) -- only the newer ones (NST-26U2) seen on the Vantec site here: http://www.vantecusa.com/product-storage.html# Filtech here: http://filtechcomputer.com/product/ProdDetail.asp?page=1&sort=cProdName&nProductID=8636 Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 20:37:09 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:37:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10603081204s75fcc7fv610ffb1fb889ab78-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603081204s75fcc7fv610ffb1fb889ab78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060308203709.24534.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Daniel Armstrong wrote: > On 3/8/06, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > > I would also STRONLY suggest that you take only > exact money when you go to > > tigerdirect.. there is just too much temptation.. > > I know *that* feeling. :-) > > Never been in the Tigerdirect store... Markham is a > bit of a haul on > transit from my place at Queen/Broadview. Usually > hit the College St. > strip for my needs. I have been up to Tigerdirect twice, the (fairly) new Viva bus system makes getting up to Tigerdirect from mid-town Toronto (Yonge & Eglinton) fairly painless, if somewhat time consuming. It is a mixed bag inside the store, some of the speciality cables I looked at (and bought) were half what I would pay along College, on the other hand some PC accessories that I saw (and did not buy) were slightly more than what I would pay at favourite haunts along College St.. One of my purchases at Tigerdirect was the basis for an article: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8511 At the time that video card was roughly $50 cheaper at Tigerdirect than anywhere else in the area, easily worth the time/cost to go to Markham :-) . In other words a conditional recommend, check their website first, compare prices, etc., etc., etc.. For a few things it is worth the time/trouble to go up to Markham. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 21:07:46 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 16:07:46 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation Message-ID: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> Can anyone suggest a partitioning scheme for a new FC4 installation? Every time I make a bunch of partitions I end up with too much free space on some and not enough on others (notably /usr and /home). Master is 20 GB and slave is 6 GB. I think I'll partition the slave as /backupdrive -- that's worked well for me on another machine - .jpg's, .ogg's et al. How about swap 500 MB (I have 256 MB RAM) /boot 256 MB / the remainder ? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 21:17:08 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:17:08 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <440F47A2.9060101-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <1141852628.440f49d433176@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting Chris Aitken : > Can anyone suggest a partitioning scheme for a new FC4 installation? > Every time I make a bunch of partitions I end up with too much free > space on some and not enough on others (notably /usr and /home). > > Master is 20 GB and slave is 6 GB. I think I'll partition the slave as > /backupdrive -- that's worked well for me on another machine - .jpg's, > .ogg's et al. > > How about > swap 500 MB (I have 256 MB RAM) > /boot 256 MB > / the remainder > ? > > Chris > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > Personally, I like a separate partition for /home, that way when I reinstall the OS, I don't have to back up my own data. Generally, I do something like this: /boot - no more than what it needs / - ~6 GB (this depends how much additional software you install, you'll get a better idea of this size over time) swap - 2 x RAM /home - whatever is left You really have to just see what works for you. And by the way, if you're the type who likes to be on the bleeding edge, you might want to hold off for a week since Fedora Core 5 is supposed to come out next Wednesday. But you can always do an upgrade afterwards. Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 21:26:41 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:26:41 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <440F47A2.9060101-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060308212641.GC4502@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> /var should be separate. If any logs grow uncontrollably you don't want them filling your / partition. -- Neil Watson | Gentoo Linux Network Administrator | Uptime 4 days http://watson-wilson.ca | 2.6.11.4 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ x 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 21:53:32 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 16:53:32 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <440F47A2.9060101-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <1141854812.19789.96.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 16:07 -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Can anyone suggest a partitioning scheme for a new FC4 installation? > Every time I make a bunch of partitions I end up with too much free > space on some and not enough on others (notably /usr and /home). > > Master is 20 GB and slave is 6 GB. I think I'll partition the slave as > /backupdrive -- that's worked well for me on another machine - .jpg's, > .ogg's et al. > > How about > swap 500 MB (I have 256 MB RAM) > /boot 256 MB > / the remainder > ? For me it's LVM all the way. That way I can put only what I need on partitions and grow them later if need-be. Even with LVM I tend to be generous with / because it's much harder to grow. For workstations I go with three logical volumes (partitions): /boot 100M (or less regardless of what Anaconda warns) swap 1024M (if you get 1G into swap you're really in trouble) / remainder For servers I want to compartmentalize in case one filesystem fills up. I'm also an older UNIX quy who wants dynamic file systems (/tmp, /var, etc) on separate file systems. The file system sizes depend on what you will be installing. For a 20GB you'll be fighting space and I would recommend as a minimum: /boot 64M (or less, how many kernels do you want?) swap 1024M / 1024M (I like space here to make upgrades easy, I'm also a MailScanner fan and this is where rules_du_jour puts rules) /usr 4096M (really depends on what you install) /var 1024M (more for mail servers, etc) /home (depends on user needs) /opt (if you are installing software that wants to go there. Then as you know how the space is being used grow the file systems into the 20GB, -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. Director of Technology 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 519-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 21:59:19 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 16:59:19 -0500 Subject: OT: Asus laptop wasBytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? Message-ID: <440F53B7.3080908@pppoe.ca> Jamon Camisso wrote: > I agonized over which to purchase last year around this time. I've > been using an ASUS M6BNe (15.4" screen vs. the M6Ne which is 15" IIRC) > for a year now and have to say it was likely the best laptop I could > have purchased for my needs and my money. One major feature is the > extended warranty that Asus offers. I'm rather hard on my equipment, > so to have a 3 year warranty on a laptop made/makes sense since I > definitely don't have the money to buy a new unit every year or two. > > I'm somewhat put off by Acer because they are owned by Benq I think, > and even when they were their own company I was not impressed with the > quality of their hardware. This has likely changed for the better > however, since I think that most laptops and their generic components > are manufactured by 3 major OEM companies in China and Korea. > > In short -- either brand will likely work and work very well. Check > the Ubuntu laptop pages to see if the models you are looking at are > supported (by Ubuntu). Likely other distributions will be supported as > well, I'm just an Ubuntu user (after being a longtime Gentoo fanatic) > so this is the resource that immediately comes to mind. I'm sure there > are others. > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops > > Breezy is the distribution to check, as Dapper is the current alpha > test version (if you aren't familiar with the Ubuntu distribution). > > Hope this helps? Sort of vague and ASUS biased, but I don't have the > money to have more than 1 laptop... Thanks for the Ububtu links (but https?). I'm looking at Acer and Asus because they have some cheaper models and as most laptops are made by the few speciality OEMs in Asia... Glad to hear of your positive experience. > As to the videocard (yes I remember), I didn't purchase one for > Christmas as I was saving up for a trip to Haiti, but since I got to > Miami only to have all flights to Haiti canceled, I'm just waiting for > my refund until I hit up Filtech for an Nvidia 6800GS. Bummer. Has the internet thin-client setup been cancelled or someone else set it up? Would have been fun. Thanks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 22:18:35 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:18:35 -0500 Subject: OT: Asus laptop wasBytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <440F53B7.3080908-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <440F53B7.3080908@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <440F583B.7020703@telly.org> >> I'm somewhat put off by Acer because they are owned by Benq > IIRC the opposite is the case; Benq is Acer's consumer peripherals division/brand. There are a couple of good sites for laptop reviews. Since so many of them have similar specs and components -- and so many are Linux compatible these days -- checking out mainstream review sites such as cnet.com and laptopmag.com is often a good idea. In my experience, many laptops will work, the main areas where things go wrong with Linux are: - video (weird resolutions or unsupported chipsets) - unusual peripherals (such as onboard cameras, docking stations or enhanced pointing devices) - winmodems (well, most laptops have problems with that) HTH, - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 23:17:20 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:17:20 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <20060308212641.GC4502-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060308212641.GC4502@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <440F6600.7080400@vianet.ca> Neil Watson wrote: > /var should be separate. If any logs grow uncontrollably you don't want > them filling your / partition. OK, thanks. I went with /var 1 GB, swap 500 MB, /boot100 MB, remainder (17 ish GB) for /. At 'Firewall Configuration' I don't know whether or not to click 'Enable Firewall'. Also, I'm not clear on whether or not to 'allow access to specific services on [my] computer from other computers'. I don't remotely logon from other computers but I do go on the Internet via my cable ISP account. I do have the computer networked to another computer in the house - I don't want to screw any of that up but I don't want to give hackers free run of my PC either. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 8 23:57:21 2006 From: pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul DiRezze) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:57:21 -0500 Subject: Linux Caffe press Message-ID: <440F6F61.9010901@rogers.com> I thought this was kinda cool. http://business.newsforge.com/business/06/03/07/1556230.shtml?tid=39 paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 00:59:22 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 19:59:22 -0500 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <440F3ECB.3090006-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603081143i1a87c5a0re37cef0566b2dee3@mail.gmail.com> <000001c642e9$8f881070$0405a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <61e9e2b10603081204s75fcc7fv610ffb1fb889ab78@mail.gmail.com> <440F3ECB.3090006@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10603081659y1a346118jbbdff288839888ae@mail.gmail.com> On 3/8/06, Jamon Camisso wrote: > I recently purchased a Vantec Nexstar 2.5" model from Filtech for > $19.99. I've got a 40gig drive in it that runs off my Asus laptop very > well without any power adapter or doubled up cable (it does come with > the 2 port cable however). Simple and cheap, I highly recommend it. > Nothing fancy but it works. > > Checking the filtech site now, they don't seem to have the model I > purchased anymore (NST-250U2) -- only the newer ones (NST-26U2) seen on > the Vantec site here: http://www.vantecusa.com/product-storage.html# > > Filtech here: > http://filtechcomputer.com/product/ProdDetail.asp?page=1&sort=cProdName&nProductID=8636 > Thanks for the tip about Filtech. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dieter-bh4LRnif2k33fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 01:18:50 2006 From: dieter-bh4LRnif2k33fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Dieter Limeback) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:18:50 -0500 Subject: Ruby on Rails Reference? In-Reply-To: <440F0234.3070005-zgL5Owk5LsjZLAS6AT9qEw@public.gmane.org> References: <440F0145.3050605@alteeve.com> <440F0234.3070005@perplexity.org> Message-ID: <440F827A.4040808@dieter.ca> >> So, What do current Railers(?) use for a reference to all the >> commands/etc avilable? > > http://pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/rails/index.html Seconded. The authors do caution that it's *not* a reference manual in the introduction though, since if it were it would almost certainly be out of date by the time it got to press. The first part of the book is a tutorial that builds a simple store application, and the second part is a more detailed look at the functions and facilities of Rails itself. I'm only halfway through it but I'm finding it well-written and a great introduction. -- Dieter Limeback PGP Key ID: 0xCF2CA6A7 http://www.dieter.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 01:36:17 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:36:17 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <440F6600.7080400-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060308212641.GC4502@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <440F6600.7080400@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <440F8691.4060905@vianet.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > Neil Watson wrote: > >> /var should be separate. If any logs grow uncontrollably you don't want >> them filling your / partition. > > > OK, thanks. I went with /var 1 GB, swap 500 MB, /boot100 MB, remainder > (17 ish GB) for /. > > At 'Firewall Configuration' I don't know whether or not to click > 'Enable Firewall'. Also, I'm not clear on whether or not to 'allow > access to specific services on [my] computer from other computers'. I > don't remotely logon from other computers but I do go on the Internet > via my cable ISP account. I do have the computer networked to another > computer in the house - I don't want to screw any of that up but I > don't want to give hackers free run of my PC either. I'm getting an unhandled exception page of problems with references to files in /usr/lib/anaconda. Asking me to file a report to bugzilla. I don't know what to do about this. Is this something a GUI linux guy can work through? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 01:38:11 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:38:11 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <440F8691.4060905-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060308212641.GC4502@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <440F6600.7080400@vianet.ca> <440F8691.4060905@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <440F8703.8020101@vianet.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Neil Watson wrote: >> >>> /var should be separate. If any logs grow uncontrollably you don't >>> want >>> them filling your / partition. >> >> >> >> OK, thanks. I went with /var 1 GB, swap 500 MB, /boot100 MB, >> remainder (17 ish GB) for /. >> >> At 'Firewall Configuration' I don't know whether or not to click >> 'Enable Firewall'. Also, I'm not clear on whether or not to 'allow >> access to specific services on [my] computer from other computers'. I >> don't remotely logon from other computers but I do go on the Internet >> via my cable ISP account. I do have the computer networked to another >> computer in the house - I don't want to screw any of that up but I >> don't want to give hackers free run of my PC either. > > > I'm getting an unhandled exception page of problems with references to > files in /usr/lib/anaconda. Asking me to file a report to bugzilla. > > I don't know what to do about this. Is this something a GUI linux guy > can work through? I would have preferred to partition in fdisk -- I was only given the choise of Disk Druid or Automatic, and they both took me to Disk Druid anyway. > > Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 01:45:34 2006 From: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Clive DaSilva) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:45:34 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <1141852628.440f49d433176-2RFepEojUI13G5Uu0KmH2CwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <1141852628.440f49d433176@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: <440F88BE.7060005@iprimus.ca> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >Quoting Chris Aitken : > > > >>Can anyone suggest a partitioning scheme for a new FC4 installation? >>Every time I make a bunch of partitions I end up with too much free >>space on some and not enough on others (notably /usr and /home). >> >>Master is 20 GB and slave is 6 GB. I think I'll partition the slave as >>/backupdrive -- that's worked well for me on another machine - .jpg's, >>.ogg's et al. >> >>How about >>swap 500 MB (I have 256 MB RAM) >>/boot 256 MB >>/ the remainder >>? >> >>Chris >> >> >> >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> >> >> > >Personally, I like a separate partition for /home, that way when I reinstall the >OS, I don't have to back up my own data. Generally, I do something like this: > >/boot - no more than what it needs >/ - ~6 GB (this depends how much additional software you install, you'll get a >better idea of this size over time) >swap - 2 x RAM >/home - whatever is left > >You really have to just see what works for you. And by the way, if you're the >type who likes to be on the bleeding edge, you might want to hold off for a >week since Fedora Core 5 is supposed to come out next Wednesday. But you can >always do an upgrade afterwards. > >Tom Watts >wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > Interesting suggestion, Tom Mandrake or Mandriva as it is now called defaults to a setup like that My 2 bits -- Clive DaSilva Tel : 416-421-2480 Cell: 416-560-8820 Mandriva LE 2006 kernel-2.6.12-17mdk -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 02:16:16 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:16:16 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <440F8703.8020101-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060308212641.GC4502@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <440F6600.7080400@vianet.ca> <440F8691.4060905@vianet.ca> <440F8703.8020101@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <1141870576.31824.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 20:38 -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > I would have preferred to partition in fdisk -- I was only given the > choise of Disk Druid or Automatic, and they both took me to Disk Druid > anyway. The only error like that I commonly get during an FC4 installation is when I remove and then add partitions during an installation. My solution to that one has been to simply take the partitioning the second time around. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 02:23:59 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 08 Mar 2006 21:23:59 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <1141854812.19789.96.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <1141854812.19789.96.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: John Van Ostrand writes: > On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 16:07 -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > Can anyone suggest a partitioning scheme for a new FC4 installation? > > Every time I make a bunch of partitions I end up with too much free > > space on some and not enough on others (notably /usr and /home). > > > > Master is 20 GB and slave is 6 GB. I think I'll partition the slave as > > /backupdrive -- that's worked well for me on another machine - .jpg's, > > .ogg's et al. > > > > How about > > swap 500 MB (I have 256 MB RAM) > > /boot 256 MB > > / the remainder > > ? > > For me it's LVM all the way. That way I can put only what I need on > partitions and grow them later if need-be. Agree 100%. I would never install a general purpose Linux box (i.e. desktop or laptop) without LVN anymore. > Even with LVM I tend to be generous with / because it's much harder to > grow. Not really, just boot from any recent KNOPPIX which has mdadm (if needed) and all the LVM tools. > For workstations I go with three logical volumes (partitions): > > /boot 100M (or less regardless of what Anaconda warns) > swap 1024M (if you get 1G into swap you're really in trouble) > / remainder > > For servers I want to compartmentalize in case one filesystem fills up. > I'm also an older UNIX quy who wants dynamic file systems (/tmp, /var, > etc) on separate file systems. I tend to do this with workstations too. > The file system sizes depend on what you will be installing. For a 20GB > you'll be fighting space and I would recommend as a minimum: > > /boot 64M (or less, how many kernels do you want?) > swap 1024M > / 1024M (I like space here to make upgrades easy, I'm also a > MailScanner fan and this is where rules_du_jour puts rules) > /usr 4096M (really depends on what you install) > /var 1024M (more for mail servers, etc) > /home (depends on user needs) > /opt (if you are installing software that wants to go there. Above is good advice. I'd probably start with 4GB for /home and not bother with /opt until needed. > Then as you know how the space is being used grow the file systems into > the 20GB, > -- > John Van Ostrand > Net Direct Inc. > > Director of Technology > 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 > Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 > map > john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org > Ph: 519-883-1172 > ext.5102 > Linux Solutions / IBM > Hardware > Fx: 519-883-8533 > -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 02:46:01 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:46:01 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <1141854812.19789.96.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <1141872362.31824.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 21:23 -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > > Even with LVM I tend to be generous with / because it's much harder to > > grow. > > Not really, just boot from any recent KNOPPIX which has mdadm (if needed) and > all the LVM tools. Yeah, but try doing that from 100KM away. > > For servers I want to compartmentalize in case one filesystem fills up. > > I'm also an older UNIX quy who wants dynamic file systems (/tmp, /var, > > etc) on separate file systems. > > I tend to do this with workstations too. I used to as well but then I got tired of looking at free space in other filesystems when I really needed it in /home or /usr/src. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 02:47:08 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:47:08 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <1141854812.19789.96.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <1141854812.19789.96.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <440F972C.4@georgetown.wehave.net> John Van Ostrand wrote: > For me it's LVM all the way. That way I can put only what I need on > partitions and grow them later if need-be. Even with LVM I tend to be > generous with / because it's much harder to grow. I especially keep / very small because it is so easy to grow ;-) Really, if you use a filesystem that supports online resize then even / is trivial to grow ... reiserfs and xfs can both be resized without unmounting the partition. Here's my home schema: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/vg0-root 512M 272M 241M 53% / /dev/md0 126M 82M 45M 65% /boot /dev/mapper/vg0-home 40G 25G 16G 61% /home /dev/mapper/vg0-tmp 768M 403M 366M 53% /tmp /dev/mapper/vg0-usr 3.0G 2.6G 506M 84% /usr /dev/mapper/vg0-var 4.0G 304M 3.8G 8% /var /dev/mapper/vg0-backups 30G 28G 2.9G 91% /var/backups I have done online resize of quite a few servers, even hotplugging disks, configuring hardware RAID and adding completely new storage to LVM without shutdown. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 03:00:14 2006 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:00:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <1141872362.31824.6.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <1141854812.19789.96.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <1141872362.31824.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, John Van Ostrand wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 21:23 -0500, Tim Writer wrote: >>> Even with LVM I tend to be generous with / because it's much harder to >>> grow. >> >> Not really, just boot from any recent KNOPPIX which has mdadm (if needed) and >> all the LVM tools. > > Yeah, but try doing that from 100KM away. > >>> For servers I want to compartmentalize in case one filesystem fills up. >>> I'm also an older UNIX quy who wants dynamic file systems (/tmp, /var, >>> etc) on separate file systems. >> >> I tend to do this with workstations too. > > I used to as well but then I got tired of looking at free space in other > filesystems when I really needed it in /home or /usr/src. I move directories to a partition with space and symlink (or mount -bind) them to their original locations. -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 03:27:07 2006 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:27:07 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <440F47A2.9060101-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060308222707.116e6ddc.hgibson@eol.ca> On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 16:07:46 -0500 Chris Aitken wrote: > Can anyone suggest a partitioning scheme for a new FC4 installation? > Every time I make a bunch of partitions I end up with too much free > space on some and not enough on others (notably /usr and /home). > > Master is 20 GB and slave is 6 GB. I think I'll partition the slave as > /backupdrive -- that's worked well for me on another machine - .jpg's, > .ogg's et al. Chris, Your system is very similar to mine. My install instructions are up on my website at... http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson/RevLinux.pdf -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 06:50:08 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 01:50:08 -0500 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060309065008.GA17581@waltdnes.org> On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 12:52:19PM -0500, Daniel Armstrong wrote > Are these external drive enclosures that draw power from the USB ports > getting enough juice to run properly? On a related topic, my "offsite backup" routine uses 2 "shirt-pocket" USB drives. I always have 1 sitting in my safety deposit box at the bank. Every couple of months, I update a drive at home, and swap it with the drive in my safety deposit box. My experience is that standard 6-foot USB cables will work with a USB card-reader, but will *NOT* work with an external USB drive. A short 2-foot USB cable works fine with the external USB drives. I don't know if there are multiple standards for USB cables, or if it's simply less power loss due to shorter length. It is a bit of a PITA, because I have my machine off to the side of the table, and I have to crawl on the floor to connect the short cable. Thank goodness that the computer has USB connectors on the front. Getting to the back is painfull. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 07:14:44 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 02:14:44 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <440F47A2.9060101-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060309071444.GB17581@waltdnes.org> On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 04:07:46PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote > Can anyone suggest a partitioning scheme for a new FC4 installation? > Every time I make a bunch of partitions I end up with too much free > space on some and not enough on others (notably /usr and /home). > > Master is 20 GB and slave is 6 GB. I think I'll partition the slave as > /backupdrive -- that's worked well for me on another machine - .jpg's, > .ogg's et al. I don't know if this is even possible, but the best bet might be... /boot first 50 megs on the MASTER / the entire 6 gigs on the SLAVE /var 2 gigs on MASTER swap 1 or 2 gigs on MASTER /home the rest of MASTER I put miscellaneous stuff in /home/misc -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 10:48:42 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 05:48:42 -0500 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <20060309065008.GA17581-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738@mail.gmail.com> <20060309065008.GA17581@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4410080A.2070309@rogers.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 12:52:19PM -0500, Daniel Armstrong wrote >> Are these external drive enclosures that draw power from the USB ports >> getting enough juice to run properly? > > On a related topic, my "offsite backup" routine uses 2 "shirt-pocket" > USB drives. I always have 1 sitting in my safety deposit box at the > bank. Every couple of months, I update a drive at home, and swap it > with the drive in my safety deposit box. > > My experience is that standard 6-foot USB cables will work with a > USB card-reader, but will *NOT* work with an external USB drive. A > short 2-foot USB cable works fine with the external USB drives. I don't > know if there are multiple standards for USB cables, or if it's simply > less power loss due to shorter length. It is a bit of a PITA, because > I have my machine off to the side of the table, and I have to crawl on > the floor to connect the short cable. Thank goodness that the computer > has USB connectors on the front. Getting to the back is painfull. > Don't forget there's USB 1 & 2. Perhaps that 6' cable is only good enough USB 1. I've used my exteranl drive at the end of a 3' cable and a 10' extension (13' total). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 10:52:50 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:52:50 +0200 (IST) Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <20060309065008.GA17581-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603080952l47baca86m37e0f2ae3510b738@mail.gmail.com> <20060309065008.GA17581@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Walter Dnes wrote: > My experience is that standard 6-foot USB cables will work with a > USB card-reader, but will *NOT* work with an external USB drive. A > short 2-foot USB cable works fine with the external USB drives. I don't > know if there are multiple standards for USB cables, or if it's simply > less power loss due to shorter length. It is a bit of a PITA, because > I have my machine off to the side of the table, and I have to crawl on > the floor to connect the short cable. Thank goodness that the computer > has USB connectors on the front. Getting to the back is painfull. The reason is the thin USB cable drops too much voltage. If you use an expensive cable with thick conductors it should work. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 16:49:09 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:49:09 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <1141854812.19789.96.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <1141854812.19789.96.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <44105C85.1030006@telly.org> John Van Ostrand wrote: > >For me it's LVM all the way. That way I can put only what I need on >partitions and grow them later if need-be. Even with LVM I tend to be >generous with / because it's much harder to grow. > > Does LVM with with FAT32 filesystems? I find that on laptops (and other dual boot systems) it's easiest to have the shared data on FAT32 partitions so they can be easily read/written whether booting Linux or Windows. The idea of LVM seems great, but not if it results in my needing to use filesystems that aren't accessible from Windows when I boot that way. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 17:10:54 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:10:54 -0500 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: <200603070820.26564.dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM@public.gmane.org> References: <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> <1141404178.29194.24.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <200603070820.26564.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: <1141924254.4528.12.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Just voicing MY experiences working around the GTA. I know I'm not alone in dealing with unwieldy and arrogant users. I wish someone had warned me of these people and how to deal with them BEFORE I was sent out in the field when I first started out... Cheers! RickT http://www.TorontoNUI.ca On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 08:20 -0500, Duncan MacGregor wrote: > On March 7, 2006 12:15 am, Tim Writer wrote: > > In my experience, if you treat people like idiots, they will (usually) act > > like idiots. If you treat people like they're smart, they will work harder > > to gain understanding. Windows treats people like they're stupid and you > > see the result. > > When you work with people, it is a good idea to come to terms with specialties > and experience. > Your clients are always smart, but they have different specialties from you. > You need to use your specialty to help them in their specialty. You need to > establish a mutual understanding that change is not effortless, and not best > undertaken alone. > > Clients feel guilty that the solutions to problems they face alone are not > self-evident. Be cooperative. > > They are embarrassed to ask for your help, so put them at ease. > > Avoid technological pissing contests; they are not helpful. Just don't play > that game. Get on your client's side and be helpful. > > Avoid buzzwords altogether, as a rule. Share buzzwords with your clients as > you would share ammunition. > > You need a relationship with your clients in which they are able to benefit > from your experience and your expertise. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 17:13:43 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:13:43 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <44105C85.1030006-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <1141854812.19789.96.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <44105C85.1030006@telly.org> Message-ID: <1141924423.30616.7.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 11:49 -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Does LVM with with FAT32 filesystems? > > I find that on laptops (and other dual boot systems) it's easiest to > have the shared data on FAT32 partitions so they can be easily > read/written whether booting Linux or Windows. The idea of LVM seems > great, but not if it results in my needing to use filesystems that > aren't accessible from Windows when I boot that way. It will work in Linux but would be unreadable in Windows. Windows has it's own version of LVM that I bet is totally incompatible with Linux. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. Director of Technology 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 519-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 17:43:48 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:43:48 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <440F47A2.9060101-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060309174348.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 04:07:46PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Can anyone suggest a partitioning scheme for a new FC4 installation? > Every time I make a bunch of partitions I end up with too much free > space on some and not enough on others (notably /usr and /home). > > Master is 20 GB and slave is 6 GB. I think I'll partition the slave as > /backupdrive -- that's worked well for me on another machine - .jpg's, > .ogg's et al. Sounds reasonable. > How about > swap 500 MB (I have 256 MB RAM) > /boot 256 MB Is your machine ancient enough to need a /boot? > / the remainder > ? Good setup in my opinion other than the /boot. I believe the sane setup for most home uses is what debian recomends. One large partition for everything, and one swap partition. You either have free space or you don't. Multiple partitions were in the past used by people using crap backup tools, or worried about running out of room for logs or to control quota for users for different parts of the system. I tend to setup servers with a large 20G or so / partition to hold the OS and applications, and then a partition for /home (usually in LVM actually), swap (also in LVM) and /data or /var or something for the places that store database and fileserver shares and such. I haven't found these methods to be a problem yet. My home machine is a bit of a mess with 3 HDs in it and some partitioned in rather unfortunate ways due to rearanging things over time (I have to just delete that old windows install one of these days), and it is quite a hassle to have all those partitions. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 17:45:02 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:45:02 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <20060308212641.GC4502-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060308212641.GC4502@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20060309174502.GI29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 04:26:41PM -0500, Neil Watson wrote: > /var should be separate. If any logs grow uncontrollably you don't want > them filling your / partition. Now why would the logs be growing in the first place on a non server? I have never seen it happen. I often don't even setup servers with /var/log seperately. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 17:50:34 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:50:34 -0500 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10603081204s75fcc7fv610ffb1fb889ab78-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603081143i1a87c5a0re37cef0566b2dee3@mail.gmail.com> <000001c642e9$8f881070$0405a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <61e9e2b10603081204s75fcc7fv610ffb1fb889ab78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060309175034.GJ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 03:04:32PM -0500, Daniel Armstrong wrote: > I know *that* feeling. :-) > > Never been in the Tigerdirect store... Markham is a bit of a haul on > transit from my place at Queen/Broadview. Usually hit the College St. > strip for my needs. Oddly when I went in there, I kept walking around wondering where they keep the stuff worth spending money on. There didn't seem to be very much good hardware there, just cheap junk for the most part. Maybe I missed the right section. I think the only decent stuff I noticed was some of the motherboards. For now I will stick to Logic down the street from them. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From slackrat-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 18:22:54 2006 From: slackrat-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: 09 Mar 2006 19:22:54 +0100 Subject: Time Variances Message-ID: <863bhro4u9.fsf@wanadoo.fr> I'm having difficulty with getting my clock synchronized Initially I was doing nothing except running ntpdate from CLI after a reboot The variance was unacceptable, often into the teens of minutes, but I had other proggyz to sort so shelved the resolution of the problem as operationally it wasn't really affecting anything But a few days ago I decided to resolve whatever was going wrong and ran ntpdate as a cronjob hourly which indicated variances up to 20 seconds per hour [see below] Seeking a means of reduing the variance, I discovered vsntp which seemed to fix the problem Then reading more on ntpdate, I discovered that ntpdate is deprecated by Slackware in favour of NTP So nothing deterred, I fired up NTP to run concurently with VSNTP, but found that I had then no real means of checking the variance since the ntpdate cronjob fails with a "Socket Busy" when NTP is running So after a day or so I killed NTP which allowed the cronjob to fire successfully and everything looked rosy But now the variances are drifting up again and currently I am running NTP again but thr jitters are increasing generally: remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ============================================================================== ntp-p1.obspm.fr .1PPS. 1 u 36 64 177 47.816 360.069 1297.39 dense.utcc.utor 128.100.96.226 2 u 34 64 177 156.087 2206.00 1202.32 and a few seconds later: remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ============================================================================== ntp-p1.obspm.fr .1PPS. 1 u 30 64 377 47.816 360.069 1468.51 dense.utcc.utor 128.100.96.226 2 u 26 64 377 156.087 2206.00 1122.38 ntp-p1.obspm.fr is the French Observatory in Paris dense.utcc.utor is the UofT The clock used with vsntp is one just up the road from me in Sophia Antipolis, the French version of Silicon Valley at 138.96.64.10 Any suggestions? [CRONJOB - NO VSMTP] 4 Mar 06:47:18 ntpdate[22473]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 15.524994 sec 4 Mar 07:47:42 ntpdate[4611]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 21.248208 sec 4 Mar 08:47:42 ntpdate[24561]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 20.236947 sec 4 Mar 09:47:37 ntpdate[12056]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 17.524826 sec 4 Mar 10:47:34 ntpdate[31945]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 9.176542 sec 4 Mar 11:47:29 ntpdate[19344]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 9.025376 sec 4 Mar 12:47:37 ntpdate[7057]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 18.196358 sec 4 Mar 13:47:37 ntpdate[27266]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 16.114446 sec 4 Mar 14:47:38 ntpdate[14842]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 16.678650 sec 4 Mar 15:47:34 ntpdate[2339]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 14.285041 sec 4 Mar 16:47:37 ntpdate[22473]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 15.859449 sec 4 Mar 17:47:38 ntpdate[10058]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 16.010695 sec 4 Mar 18:47:51 ntpdate[30006]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 11.570608 sec 4 Mar 19:47:56 ntpdate[17764]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 17.151896 sec 4 Mar 20:47:54 ntpdate[5474]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 14.893247 sec 4 Mar 21:47:37 ntpdate[25558]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 15.477404 sec 4 Mar 22:47:28 ntpdate[13052]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 7.247652 sec 4 Mar 23:47:37 ntpdate[851]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 14.771628 sec 5 Mar 00:47:37 ntpdate[21032]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 15.036640 sec 5 Mar 01:47:38 ntpdate[8774]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 16.277043 sec 5 Mar 02:47:36 ntpdate[28866]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 15.046614 sec 5 Mar 03:47:38 ntpdate[16730]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 16.877958 sec 5 Mar 04:47:48 ntpdate[7837]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 13.564032 sec 5 Mar 05:47:43 ntpdate[27972]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 16.607619 sec 5 Mar 06:47:40 ntpdate[15426]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 12.447754 sec 5 Mar 07:47:32 ntpdate[2875]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 7.623997 sec 5 Mar 08:47:37 ntpdate[22776]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 16.826881 sec 5 Mar 09:47:28 ntpdate[10212]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 7.495377 sec 5 Mar 10:47:38 ntpdate[30116]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 15.964756 sec 5 Mar 11:47:39 ntpdate[17643]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 17.445783 sec 5 Mar 12:47:37 ntpdate[5274]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 16.576393 sec 5 Mar 13:47:35 ntpdate[25337]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 15.197266 sec 5 Mar 14:47:43 ntpdate[12939]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 12.906830 sec 5 Mar 15:47:38 ntpdate[620]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 15.666824 sec 5 Mar 16:47:38 ntpdate[20968]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 15.976715 sec 5 Mar 17:47:36 ntpdate[8585]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 13.947549 sec 5 Mar 18:47:41 ntpdate[28711]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 9.169122 sec 5 Mar 20:03:02 ntpdate[16234]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 6.516722 sec 5 Mar 20:47:36 ntpdate[3851]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 9.407558 sec 5 Mar 21:47:35 ntpdate[23902]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 15.531222 sec 5 Mar 22:47:32 ntpdate[11852]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 11.030878 sec 5 Mar 23:47:34 ntpdate[31809]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 3.262929 sec 6 Mar 00:47:29 ntpdate[19280]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 3.999106 sec 6 Mar 01:47:41 ntpdate[6759]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 7.877242 sec 6 Mar 02:47:26 ntpdate[26679]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 6.230453 sec 6 Mar 03:47:40 ntpdate[14124]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 13.319546 sec 6 Mar 04:47:56 ntpdate[7421]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 3.746341 sec 6 Mar 05:47:35 ntpdate[31449]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 5.435200 sec 6 Mar 06:47:43 ntpdate[18890]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 17.696320 sec [CRONJOB running with VSNTP fired up] 6 Mar 08:47:22 ntpdate[29012]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.237108 sec 6 Mar 09:47:31 ntpdate[16664]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.002529 sec 6 Mar 10:47:25 ntpdate[4183]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.000751 sec 6 Mar 11:47:21 ntpdate[24183]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.095641 sec 6 Mar 12:47:33 ntpdate[22383]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.299229 sec 6 Mar 13:47:18 ntpdate[9766]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.301915 sec 6 Mar 14:47:20 ntpdate[29747]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset -0.002426 sec 6 Mar 15:47:18 ntpdate[17251]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.239366 sec 6 Mar 16:47:21 ntpdate[4851]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.219349 sec 6 Mar 17:47:21 ntpdate[25006]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.229666 sec 6 Mar 18:47:24 ntpdate[12793]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.248894 sec 6 Mar 19:47:20 ntpdate[1718]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.219077 sec 6 Mar 20:47:19 ntpdate[23101]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.239077 sec 6 Mar 21:47:22 ntpdate[12073]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.227497 sec 6 Mar 22:47:18 ntpdate[32477]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.227336 sec [NTP Substituted for NTPDATE until March 8 when NTP shut down due to increasing jitter and ntpdate cronjob fires again] 8 Mar 10:47:33 ntpdate[22480]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.844554 sec 8 Mar 11:47:28 ntpdate[10165]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset -0.004699 sec 8 Mar 12:47:22 ntpdate[30227]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.864903 sec 8 Mar 13:47:22 ntpdate[17818]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.524625 sec 8 Mar 14:47:25 ntpdate[5735]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.289538 sec 8 Mar 15:47:21 ntpdate[26108]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.614931 sec 8 Mar 16:47:19 ntpdate[13764]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.473800 sec 8 Mar 17:47:21 ntpdate[1331]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.794130 sec 8 Mar 18:47:28 ntpdate[21188]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.894673 sec 8 Mar 19:47:22 ntpdate[8636]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.795001 sec 8 Mar 20:47:22 ntpdate[28510]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.445598 sec 8 Mar 21:47:21 ntpdate[16003]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.825372 sec 8 Mar 22:47:21 ntpdate[3544]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.625176 sec 8 Mar 23:47:23 ntpdate[23453]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.466934 sec 9 Mar 00:47:19 ntpdate[10922]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.494969 sec 9 Mar 01:47:26 ntpdate[30882]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset -0.004577 sec 9 Mar 02:47:21 ntpdate[18324]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.645427 sec 9 Mar 03:47:22 ntpdate[5947]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.646481 sec 9 Mar 04:47:40 ntpdate[29086]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset -0.010351 sec [TROUBLE AGAIN - note: I changed nothing at this point] 9 Mar 05:47:31 ntpdate[16457]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 3.165814 sec 9 Mar 06:47:40 ntpdate[3827]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 13.365056 sec 9 Mar 07:47:38 ntpdate[23679]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 9.373213 sec 9 Mar 08:47:37 ntpdate[11059]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 12.645140 sec 9 Mar 09:47:30 ntpdate[30876]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 10.244803 sec 9 Mar 10:47:29 ntpdate[18280]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 10.565096 sec 9 Mar 11:47:44 ntpdate[12835]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 18.945630 sec 9 Mar 12:47:38 ntpdate[7588]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 16.945920 sec 9 Mar 13:47:47 ntpdate[27468]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 20.744349 sec 9 Mar 14:47:38 ntpdate[14943]: step time server 128.100.100.128 offset 18.264154 sec -- F?licitations Slack Rat (Bill Henderson) Dit 'NON' aux brevets Logiciels http://brevets-logiciels.info/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 19:24:04 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:24:04 -0500 Subject: Time Variances In-Reply-To: <863bhro4u9.fsf-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA@public.gmane.org> References: <863bhro4u9.fsf@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <200603091424.05542.interlug@weait.net> On Thursday 09 March 2006 13:22, Slack Rat wrote: > I'm having difficulty with getting my clock synchronized > > Initially I was doing nothing except running ntpdate from CLI after a > reboot [ ... ] > Then reading more on ntpdate, I discovered that ntpdate is deprecated > by Slackware in favour of NTP [ ... ] > So after a day or so I killed NTP which allowed the cronjob to fire > successfully and everything looked rosy > > But now the variances are drifting up again[ ... ] ntp is meant to run continuously. Your samples show ntp polling other sources ever 64 seconds. As ntp learns to compensate for the instability of your system it will poll less often. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 19:32:14 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:32:14 -0500 Subject: Increasing space waspartitioning new installation Message-ID: <441082BE.8090005@pppoe.ca> Fraser Campbell wrote: Really, if you use a filesystem that supports online resize then even / is trivial to grow ... reiserfs and xfs can both be resized without unmounting the partition. Here's my home schema: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/vg0-root 512M 272M 241M 53% / /dev/md0 126M 82M 45M 65% /boot /dev/mapper/vg0-home 40G 25G 16G 61% /home /dev/mapper/vg0-tmp 768M 403M 366M 53% /tmp /dev/mapper/vg0-usr 3.0G 2.6G 506M 84% /usr /dev/mapper/vg0-var 4.0G 304M 3.8G 8% /var /dev/mapper/vg0-backups 30G 28G 2.9G 91% /var/backups I have done online resize of quite a few servers, even hotplugging disks, configuring hardware RAID and adding completely new storage to LVM without shutdown. ###################################################################### Can Ext2 and Ext3 filesystems be re-sized without unmounting in LVM? Already mentioned in this thread are mounting with the -bind option, symlinking and quotas. Other than LVM, is there any other way to increase space without unmounting the partition/disk? Thanks in advance. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From slackrat-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 19:42:40 2006 From: slackrat-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: 09 Mar 2006 20:42:40 +0100 Subject: Time Variances In-Reply-To: <200603091424.05542.interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <863bhro4u9.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <200603091424.05542.interlug@weait.net> Message-ID: <86ek1bmmkv.fsf@wanadoo.fr> interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org writes: > ntp is meant to run continuously. Your samples show ntp polling other > sources ever 64 seconds. As ntp learns to compensate for the > instability of your system it will poll less often. Just so I understand correctly, should I shut down my VSMTP and just let NTP do its thing without any similar proggy running please? -- F?licitations Slack Rat (Bill Henderson) Dit 'NON' aux brevets Logiciels http://brevets-logiciels.info/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 19:47:09 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:47:09 -0500 Subject: Time Variances In-Reply-To: <86ek1bmmkv.fsf-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA@public.gmane.org> References: <863bhro4u9.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <200603091424.05542.interlug@weait.net> <86ek1bmmkv.fsf@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <20060309194709.GK29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 08:42:40PM +0100, Slack Rat wrote: > Just so I understand correctly, should I shut down my VSMTP and just > let NTP do its thing without any similar proggy running please? You should only have one process managing time running. Otherwise they will start a war over what to do with the time. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 19:59:06 2006 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:59:06 -0500 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: <1141924254.4528.12.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <44073429.8050404@rogers.com> <200603070820.26564.dbmacg@look.ca> <1141924254.4528.12.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <200603091459.07715.dbmacg@look.ca> On March 9, 2006 12:10 pm, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > Just voicing MY experiences working around the GTA. I know I'm not alone > in dealing with unwieldy and arrogant users. You want your clients on your side. Still, some clients try to compete with you. Remember, these 'competing clients' are usually annoying to other clients. Avoid all pissing contests. You *must* watch your language, using no buzzwords whatsoever. You will have a clue that this is working when your clients *ask* for the meaning of buzzwords they have heard from people other than you. You need to arm your clients. Do it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 20:51:05 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:51:05 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <20060309174502.GI29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060308212641.GC4502@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <20060309174502.GI29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <44109539.9050103@vianet.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 04:26:41PM -0500, Neil Watson wrote: > > >>/var should be separate. If any logs grow uncontrollably you don't want >>them filling your / partition. >> >> > >Now why would the logs be growing in the first place on a non server? > > I don't know. However, my /var was so full (I guess that was just filling / as it was not a separate partition) once that I could not boot to GUI - I had to go into command line and delete files in /var. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 20:53:15 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:53:15 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <44109539.9050103-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060308212641.GC4502@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <20060309174502.GI29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44109539.9050103@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060309205315.GL29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 03:51:05PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > I don't know. However, my /var was so full (I guess that was just > filling / as it was not a separate partition) once that I could not boot > to GUI - I had to go into command line and delete files in /var. I have logrotate configured properly. And I don't run my system anywhere near that full in the first place. Makes it much too slow. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 21:08:47 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:08:47 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <1141854812.19789.96.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <1141938527.4410995fa08ee@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting Tim Writer : > John Van Ostrand writes: > > > On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 16:07 -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > > Can anyone suggest a partitioning scheme for a new FC4 installation? > > > Every time I make a bunch of partitions I end up with too much free > > > space on some and not enough on others (notably /usr and /home). > > > > > > Master is 20 GB and slave is 6 GB. I think I'll partition the slave as > > > /backupdrive -- that's worked well for me on another machine - .jpg's, > > > .ogg's et al. > > > > > > How about > > > swap 500 MB (I have 256 MB RAM) > > > /boot 256 MB > > > / the remainder > > > ? > > > > For me it's LVM all the way. That way I can put only what I need on > > partitions and grow them later if need-be. > > Agree 100%. I would never install a general purpose Linux box (i.e. desktop > or laptop) without LVN anymore. > > > Even with LVM I tend to be generous with / because it's much harder to > > grow. > > Not really, just boot from any recent KNOPPIX which has mdadm (if needed) and > all the LVM tools. > > > For workstations I go with three logical volumes (partitions): > > > > /boot 100M (or less regardless of what Anaconda warns) > > swap 1024M (if you get 1G into swap you're really in trouble) > > / remainder > > > > For servers I want to compartmentalize in case one filesystem fills up. > > I'm also an older UNIX quy who wants dynamic file systems (/tmp, /var, > > etc) on separate file systems. > > I tend to do this with workstations too. > > > The file system sizes depend on what you will be installing. For a 20GB > > you'll be fighting space and I would recommend as a minimum: > > > > /boot 64M (or less, how many kernels do you want?) > > swap 1024M > > / 1024M (I like space here to make upgrades easy, I'm also a > > MailScanner fan and this is where rules_du_jour puts rules) > > /usr 4096M (really depends on what you install) > > /var 1024M (more for mail servers, etc) > > /home (depends on user needs) > > /opt (if you are installing software that wants to go there. > > Above is good advice. I'd probably start with 4GB for /home and not bother > with /opt until needed. > > > Then as you know how the space is being used grow the file systems into > > the 20GB, > > -- > > John Van Ostrand > > Net Direct Inc. > > > > Director of Technology > > 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 > > Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 > > map > > john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org > > Ph: 519-883-1172 > > ext.5102 > > Linux Solutions / IBM > > Hardware > > Fx: 519-883-8533 > > > > -- > tim writer starnix inc. > 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada > http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > I'm curious about LVM as I should be doing a reinstall soon. I understand that that LVM maps physical entities to appear as one or many different volumes which don't neccessarily reflect the geometry of the physical. What I don't understand is when you say resizing the volumes is easy. Does it make in simpler because you can grow an LVM over existing, formated space? Or shrink it and create a new volume on the newly freed space? What I'm really getting at is what has to happen underneath the LVMs. Do you already have to have a fixed chunk formated as an LVM compatible filesystem and then build on top of only that? If I have an NTFS partition and then ext3 partitions with LVM on top and I want to give some space from NTFS to ext3, is that possible? What steps would be involved in doing that? Thanks, Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 21:45:07 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:45:07 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <1141938527.4410995fa08ee-2RFepEojUI13G5Uu0KmH2CwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <1141854812.19789.96.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <1141938527.4410995fa08ee@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: <20060309214507.GM29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 04:08:47PM -0500, wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > I'm curious about LVM as I should be doing a reinstall soon. I understand that > that LVM maps physical entities to appear as one or many different volumes > which don't neccessarily reflect the geometry of the physical. What I don't > understand is when you say resizing the volumes is easy. Does it make in > simpler because you can grow an LVM over existing, formated space? Or shrink > it and create a new volume on the newly freed space? > > What I'm really getting at is what has to happen underneath the LVMs. Do you > already have to have a fixed chunk formated as an LVM compatible filesystem and > then build on top of only that? If I have an NTFS partition and then ext3 > partitions with LVM on top and I want to give some space from NTFS to ext3, is > that possible? What steps would be involved in doing that? The main problem with resizing when usingpartitions is this: Partition Start sector End Sector 1 0 999 2 1000 2999 3 3000 9999 If you wanted to shrink partition 3 and increase partition 2 by 500, then you have to first shrink partition 3 by 500, then move it to the end of the device to leave 500 free between partition 2 and 3 and then expand partition 2 by 500. With LVM you don't worry about the physical blocks actually used by the logical volumes (LV) since that is all managed automatically. You create some physical volumes (PV) and then create a volume group (VG) from those PVs. The PVs can be whole disks, md raid devices, partitions, or any other kind of block device in linux. You can combine any combination of PVs into a VG. Once you have your VG, you create LVs inside it of whatever size you want. Maybe you are not sure how big you want things, you can leave some unallocated for later expansions. If you later want to change a logical volume, since you don't know or care where the LV physically stores it's blocks, you can reduce the size of an LV, and gain free space in the VG, and then expand another LV with some of that free space. For all you know one LV uses the odd blocks and another the even blocks, although that is pretty unlikely. It doesn't amtter. since LVM maintains the map of which physical blocks of all the PVs is used to store the blocks of each LV. It is quite complex internally, but very simple to use. The ability to make VGs from many devices is also handy for making things bigger. For example I am about to add space to a server here, so I am going to get a pair of 250G drives, setup one partition on each and create a software raid1 on those. Then I will run pvcreate on the new md device, and then use vgextend to add it to the existing VG I have. Then I will use lvextend to expand the existing LV for the /data partition I have file shares on, and once that is done, I will use e2fsresize most likely to resize the ext3 filesystem to fill the new size of the LV. So even though I now have two raid1s on different disks, the LV will span over both of them and appear to the system as a single large filesystem. It doesn't matter to the users that it does this, they just see the filesystem being much bigger now and have more free space. I might leave 50G or so unallocated in the VG after expanding, just to leave room for increasing other things, although most likely not, since this is the only volume that has ever gotten close to full. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 22:08:53 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:08:53 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <20060309214507.GM29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <1141854812.19789.96.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <1141938527.4410995fa08ee@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <20060309214507.GM29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1141942133.4410a7752f8d9@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting Lennart Sorensen : > On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 04:08:47PM -0500, wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > I'm curious about LVM as I should be doing a reinstall soon. I understand > that > > that LVM maps physical entities to appear as one or many different volumes > > which don't neccessarily reflect the geometry of the physical. What I > don't > > understand is when you say resizing the volumes is easy. Does it make in > > simpler because you can grow an LVM over existing, formated space? Or > shrink > > it and create a new volume on the newly freed space? > > > > What I'm really getting at is what has to happen underneath the LVMs. Do > you > > already have to have a fixed chunk formated as an LVM compatible filesystem > and > > then build on top of only that? If I have an NTFS partition and then ext3 > > partitions with LVM on top and I want to give some space from NTFS to ext3, > is > > that possible? What steps would be involved in doing that? > > The main problem with resizing when usingpartitions is this: > > Partition Start sector End Sector > 1 0 999 > 2 1000 2999 > 3 3000 9999 > > If you wanted to shrink partition 3 and increase partition 2 by 500, > then you have to first shrink partition 3 by 500, then move it to the > end of the device to leave 500 free between partition 2 and 3 and then > expand partition 2 by 500. > > With LVM you don't worry about the physical blocks actually used by the > logical volumes (LV) since that is all managed automatically. You > create some physical volumes (PV) and then create a volume group (VG) > from those PVs. The PVs can be whole disks, md raid devices, > partitions, or any other kind of block device in linux. You can > combine any combination of PVs into a VG. Once you have your VG, you > create LVs inside it of whatever size you want. Maybe you are not sure > how big you want things, you can leave some unallocated for later > expansions. If you later want to change a logical volume, since you > don't know or care where the LV physically stores it's blocks, you can > reduce the size of an LV, and gain free space in the VG, and then expand > another LV with some of that free space. For all you know one LV uses > the odd blocks and another the even blocks, although that is pretty > unlikely. It doesn't amtter. since LVM maintains the map of which > physical blocks of all the PVs is used to store the blocks of each LV. > It is quite complex internally, but very simple to use. > > The ability to make VGs from many devices is also handy for making > things bigger. For example I am about to add space to a server here, so > I am going to get a pair of 250G drives, setup one partition on each and > create a software raid1 on those. Then I will run pvcreate on the new > md device, and then use vgextend to add it to the existing VG I have. > Then I will use lvextend to expand the existing LV for the /data > partition I have file shares on, and once that is done, I will use > e2fsresize most likely to resize the ext3 filesystem to fill the new > size of the LV. So even though I now have two raid1s on different > disks, the LV will span over both of them and appear to the system as a > single large filesystem. It doesn't matter to the users that it does > this, they just see the filesystem being much bigger now and have more > free space. I might leave 50G or so unallocated in the VG after > expanding, just to leave room for increasing other things, although most > likely not, since this is the only volume that has ever gotten close to > full. > > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > Thanks for the reply. Okay, so let's say I typically have two LVs on one VG; one for / and one from /home as that's the way I would usually partition. Now, when I go to reinstall the OS, will I be able to simply install to / leaving /home unaffected? Finally, when creating a new VG from existing partitions, is it possible to keep the data on those partitions and use that data in a new LV (ending up with essentially the same structure, only now with LVM)? Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 9 22:35:05 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:35:05 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <1141942133.4410a7752f8d9-2RFepEojUI13G5Uu0KmH2CwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <1141854812.19789.96.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <1141938527.4410995fa08ee@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <20060309214507.GM29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1141942133.4410a7752f8d9@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: <20060309223505.GN29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 05:08:53PM -0500, wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Okay, so let's say I typically have two LVs on one VG; one for / and one from > /home as that's the way I would usually partition. Now, when I go to reinstall > the OS, will I be able to simply install to / leaving /home unaffected? If the installer recognizes LVM devices, and you can explain to it which parts go into which VG (I think that information is stored in the PV blocks), then technically that should be fine. No idea why it matters though, given I never reinstall, I upgrade. That is the Debian way. Got one system going strong after 7 years of doing it that way. Still runs as well as a freshly installed machine. > Finally, when creating a new VG from existing partitions, is it possible to keep > the data on those partitions and use that data in a new LV (ending up with > essentially the same structure, only now with LVM)? No. I am sure someone could write a specialized tool to do so, but at this time, I am not aware of one. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 10 00:00:39 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:00:39 -0500 Subject: Ruby on Rails Reference? In-Reply-To: <440F0145.3050605-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <440F0145.3050605@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4410C1A7.2020008@georgetown.wehave.net> Lance F. Squire wrote: > I'm trying to get into Ruby on Rails, and am used to having a reference > book with me when starting any new language, etc... > > Unfortunatly, The Downtown Indigo had nothing, and the worlds biggest > only had a (The?) book on Ruby. Nothing on Rails till later this > year.(asked) > > So, What do current Railers(?) use for a reference to all the > commands/etc avilable? > > The api.rubyonrails.org site is too much of an information explosion for > my tastes. There's a doc floating around out there called Four Days on Rails. Look that up, I found it a decent reference and it should be enough to get you started (at least if it has been updated to keep pace with recent changes). Agile Web Development with Rails from the Pragmattic Programmers is excellent and you can buy it in PDF form (and/or paper). Rails Recipes from the same publishers is in BETA and you could buy that in PDF as well though it wouldn't be a good starting point. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From imranqau-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 10 04:10:03 2006 From: imranqau-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Muhammad Imran) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 04:10:03 +0000 Subject: Fedora startup script help Message-ID: Hi everyone, I am trying to run a perl/BASH script as a daemon upon entering run-level 3. Here is what I did: I copied a script from /etc/init.d and modified it: put sym links in /etc/rc.d/rc3.d & rc0.d When system enters run level 3, it displays message "Starting my daemon". However it doesn't detach from terminal and stays there. I am trying to run it as daemon (detached from launching terminal) using daemon function in shell startup script. but apparently its not working. Can anybody suggest a way to run a perl script as daemon upon startup on Fedora? Any help/advice is highly appreciated. Here is what startup script looks like: ############# #!/bin/bash SERVER=/usr/sbin/myfirewalld prog="Intrusion detection system" [ -f $SERVER ] || exit 0 start() { echo -n $"Starting $prog: " daemon $SERVER RETVAL=$? [ "$RETVAL" = 0 ] && touch /var/lock/subsys/myfirewalld echo } stop() { echo -n $"Stoping $prog: " kill -9 $SERVER 2>/dev/null rm -f /var/lock/subsys/myfirewalld } case "$1" in start) start ;; stop) stop ;; status) status myfirewalld ;; restart|reload) stop start ;; *) echo $"Usage: $0 {start|stop|restart|condrestart|status}" exit 1 esac exit 0 ################ end of startup script ###################### And here is a sample server/daemon BASH script: ######################## #!/bin/sh #loop forever while : do # now sleep for 5 minutes sleep 30 # after wakeup send message to all users wall < References: <440F0145.3050605@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990603092014x39dcdf60he64fe88cb0d492ef@mail.gmail.com> On 3/8/06, Lance F. Squire wrote: > So, What do current Railers(?) use for a reference to all the > commands/etc avilable? I keep a couple of lists of links, some of which might be useful for you: http://www.trug.ca/Ruby http://www.trug.ca/Rails I'm just starting my book collection.. so I can't recommend anything in particular that's in dead tree-format. I've heard that the most recent beta PDF book (via OReilly) is unimpressive.. it got a bit of a beating on the rails mailing list. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From imranqau-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 10 04:23:38 2006 From: imranqau-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Muhammad Imran) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 04:23:38 +0000 Subject: Fedora startup script help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, forgot to mention that I can put a '&' after "daemon $SERVER" command, that would make it run in the background, but daemon is more than simply a process running in back-ground. I want to run it as daemon as opposed to a user process running in background. thanks > >I am trying to run a perl/BASH script as a daemon upon entering run-level >3. Here is what I did: >I copied a script from /etc/init.d and modified it: put sym links in >/etc/rc.d/rc3.d & rc0.d > >When system enters run level 3, it displays message "Starting my daemon". >However it doesn't detach from terminal and stays there. I am trying to run >it as daemon (detached from launching terminal) using daemon function in >shell startup script. but apparently its not working. > >Can anybody suggest a way to run a perl script as daemon upon startup on >Fedora? >Any help/advice is highly appreciated. > >Here is what startup script looks like: >############# >#!/bin/bash > >SERVER=/usr/sbin/myfirewalld >prog="Intrusion detection system" > >[ -f $SERVER ] || exit 0 > >start() { > echo -n $"Starting $prog: " > daemon $SERVER > RETVAL=$? > [ "$RETVAL" = 0 ] && touch /var/lock/subsys/myfirewalld > echo >} > >stop() { > echo -n $"Stoping $prog: " > kill -9 $SERVER 2>/dev/null > rm -f /var/lock/subsys/myfirewalld >} > >case "$1" in > start) > start > ;; > stop) > stop > ;; > status) > status myfirewalld > ;; > restart|reload) > stop > start > ;; > *) > echo $"Usage: $0 {start|stop|restart|condrestart|status}" > exit 1 >esac >exit 0 >################ end of startup script ###################### > >And here is a sample server/daemon BASH script: >######################## >#!/bin/sh >#loop forever >while : >do > # now sleep for 5 minutes > sleep 30 > # after wakeup send message to all users > wall < I am running..... >EOF >done >########################### >Obviously, I will replace this script with something more useful :) once i >figure it out how to run it detached from terminal; > >Regards, >Imran. > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 10 12:48:04 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:48:04 -0500 Subject: Fedora startup script help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1141994884.32101.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 04:10 +0000, Muhammad Imran wrote: > I am trying to run a perl/BASH script as a daemon upon entering run-level 3. > Here is what I did: > I copied a script from /etc/init.d and modified it: put sym links in > /etc/rc.d/rc3.d & rc0.d > > When system enters run level 3, it displays message "Starting my daemon". > However it doesn't detach from terminal and stays there. I am trying to run > it as daemon (detached from launching terminal) using daemon function in > shell startup script. but apparently its not working. > > Can anybody suggest a way to run a perl script as daemon upon startup on > Fedora? > Any help/advice is highly appreciated. Your message is confusing. You say you wan to run a perl script in the background but then you give a shell script example of a daemon. The easy way to run a process in the background is a combination of nohup and &: nohup mydaemon & You might want to redirect output to a log file or to /dev/null: nohup mydaemon > /dev/null & However, if your daemon is a perl script and you're okay with changing it, then use the fork() function followed by a setsid() function in perl. This is how a program puts itself in the background, and it's how daemons do it. Check out the perlipc man page for an example of how to use perl's fork. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 10 14:15:39 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 10 Mar 2006 09:15:39 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <20060309205315.GL29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060308212641.GC4502@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <20060309174502.GI29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44109539.9050103@vianet.ca> <20060309205315.GL29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 03:51:05PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > I don't know. However, my /var was so full (I guess that was just > > filling / as it was not a separate partition) once that I could not boot > > to GUI - I had to go into command line and delete files in /var. > > I have logrotate configured properly. And I don't run my system > anywhere near that full in the first place. Makes it much too slow. But you know what you're doing. These things can happen, esp. on a home where the user is experimenting with all sorts of software (and running as root, and ...). Separate file systems (through partitioning or LVM) give you a measure of protection from these kind of problems. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 10 14:28:25 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 10 Mar 2006 09:28:25 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <1141938527.4410995fa08ee-2RFepEojUI13G5Uu0KmH2CwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <1141854812.19789.96.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <1141938527.4410995fa08ee@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org writes: > > I'm curious about LVM as I should be doing a reinstall soon. I understand > that that LVM maps physical entities to appear as one or many different > volumes which don't neccessarily reflect the geometry of the physical. > What I don't understand is when you say resizing the volumes is easy. Does > it make in simpler because you can grow an LVM over existing, formated > space? Or shrink it and create a new volume on the newly freed space? > > What I'm really getting at is what has to happen underneath the LVMs. Do > you already have to have a fixed chunk formated as an LVM compatible > filesystem and then build on top of only that? Lennart has already answered the above nicely but he missed this: > If I have an NTFS partition and then ext3 partitions with LVM on top and I > want to give some space from NTFS to ext3, is that possible? What steps > would be involved in doing that? Windows has its own form of volume management. Linux cannot use Windows volume management and Windows cannot use Linux LVM. Given that VMware Server is now free and most desktop computers are faster than they need to be, I suggest dedicating your system to Linux and running VMware for Windows. If you install Samba on Linux, you can put all your files on a robust Linux file system and still access them from within Windows. On a related note, FreeBSD also has its own implementation of volume management. It's unfortunate that there's no cooperation between Linux and FreeBSD in this regard. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 10 19:25:20 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:25:20 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? Message-ID: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> I guess I'll start a third thread here, since my other installation related threads have continued with a tight focus. I have completed the new installation -- I had to install FC2 again as FC 4 was giving me anaconda related file references in an exception. I am not equipped to deal with that. A partition I set up is /bckupdrv using almost the whole 6 GB slave drive. df indicates the partition is only around 1 GB: [pauline at a800 pauline]$ df /bckupdrv Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hdb1 1004024 346348 606672 37% /bckupdrv Yet, Nautilus shows that the "new" drive has folders in it that are empty but somehow add up to 222 MB?! The plot thickens as fdsik reports the drive as the 6 GB that I hoped it would be. What's going on? Should I recreate/format the drive in fdisk? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 10 19:40:09 2006 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:40:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <20060310192520.15028.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > I guess I'll start a third thread here, since my other installation related > threads have continued with a tight focus. > I have completed the new installation -- I had to install FC2 again as FC 4 > was giving me anaconda related file references in an exception. I am not > equipped to deal with that. > A partition I set up is /bckupdrv using almost the whole 6 GB slave drive. df > indicates the partition is only around 1 GB: > [pauline at a800 pauline]$ df /bckupdrv > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/hdb1 1004024 346348 606672 37% /bckupdrv > Yet, Nautilus shows that the "new" drive has folders in it that are empty but > somehow add up to 222 MB?! > The plot thickens as fdsik reports the drive as the 6 GB that I hoped it > would be. > What's going on? What is the output of: fdisk -l /dev/hdb > Should I recreate/format the drive in fdisk? -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 10 20:54:11 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:54:11 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060310205411.22248.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Chris F.A. Johnson writes: > On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> I guess I'll start a third thread here, since my other installation >> related threads have continued with a tight focus. I have completed the >> new installation -- I had to install FC2 again as FC 4 was giving me >> anaconda related file references in an exception. I am not equipped to >> deal with that. A partition I set up is /bckupdrv using almost the whole >> 6 GB slave drive. df indicates the partition is only around 1 GB: >> [pauline at a800 pauline]$ df /bckupdrv >> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on >> /dev/hdb1 1004024 346348 606672 37% /bckupdrv Yet, >> Nautilus shows that the "new" drive has folders in it that are empty but >> somehow add up to 222 MB?! The plot thickens as fdsik reports the drive >> as the 6 GB that I hoped it would be. What's going on? > > What is the output of: > > fdisk -l /dev/hdb [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hdb Disk /dev/hdb: 6488 MB, 6488294400 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 788 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdb1 * 1 788 6329578+ 83 Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 10 21:11:16 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:11:16 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <20060310205411.22248.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060310205411.22248.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <1142025076.4411eb7463447@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org: > Chris F.A. Johnson writes: > > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > >> I guess I'll start a third thread here, since my other installation > >> related threads have continued with a tight focus. I have completed the > >> new installation -- I had to install FC2 again as FC 4 was giving me > >> anaconda related file references in an exception. I am not equipped to > >> deal with that. A partition I set up is /bckupdrv using almost the whole > >> 6 GB slave drive. df indicates the partition is only around 1 GB: > >> [pauline at a800 pauline]$ df /bckupdrv > >> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > >> /dev/hdb1 1004024 346348 606672 37% /bckupdrv Yet, > >> Nautilus shows that the "new" drive has folders in it that are empty but > >> somehow add up to 222 MB?! The plot thickens as fdsik reports the drive > >> as the 6 GB that I hoped it would be. What's going on? > > > > What is the output of: > > > > fdisk -l /dev/hdb > > [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hdb > > Disk /dev/hdb: 6488 MB, 6488294400 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 788 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/hdb1 * 1 788 6329578+ 83 Linux > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > Very strange, and for the most part, I'm stumped. As far as those empty folders that take up space go, are permissions set to allow you to view the contents of the folders that take up 222 MB? Have you set options in fstab to mount with correct permissions? This is really my only thought on the problem; sorry I can't be anymore help. Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 10 23:18:03 2006 From: leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org (Leah Cunningham) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:18:03 -0500 Subject: Postfix outbound to sent folders Message-ID: <200603101818.03776.leah@frauerpower.com> I am wondering if anyone has an idea or script that I could use to do the following: I want to be able to have all outbound mail that is addressed as from 'user-hcDgGtZH8xNBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org' to be copied to that user's sent folder on the IMAP server (Cyrus). I had tried out the following, but was having problems with plus addressing / mailbox extensions in postfix, possibly because of extensive aliases. I'm still trying to figure out how to do this best. I had been planning to do: '''/etc/postfix/main.cf''' recipient_bcc_maps = regexp:/etc/postfix/archive_bcc And then in '''/etc/postfix/archive_bcc''' /^(.*)@(.*)$/ ${1}+Sent-hcDgGtZH8xNBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org However, I can't seem to get postfix to recognize the +folder mailboxes as valid, so I'm trying to figure out another way to easily push all this mail back to people's IMAP Sent folders. Any ideas here would be great. -- Leah Cunningham : d416-585-9971x692 : d416-703-5977 : m416-559-6511 Frauerpower! Co. : www.frauerpower.com : Toronto, ON Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 10 23:46:19 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:46:19 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <1142025076.4411eb7463447-2RFepEojUI13G5Uu0KmH2CwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060310205411.22248.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142025076.4411eb7463447@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: <44120FCB.3020700@vianet.ca> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> What is the output of: >>> >>>fdisk -l /dev/hdb >>> >>> >>[root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hdb >> >>Disk /dev/hdb: 6488 MB, 6488294400 bytes >>255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 788 cylinders >>Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes >> >> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System >>/dev/hdb1 * 1 788 6329578+ 83 Linux >> >> >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> >> >> > > >Very strange, and for the most part, I'm stumped. As far as those empty folders >that take up space go, are permissions set to allow you to view the contents of >the folders that take up 222 MB? > I can see the files therein. This Slave drive was the Master drive in the previous installation. Everything is there: /bin, /boot/, /dev, the works. I guess the drive didn't format -- so it's just an unused dead sdystem disk , as it were. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 10 23:54:55 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 23:54:55 +0000 Subject: Bytecc 2.5" External Drive Enclosure - bus power supplies enough juice? In-Reply-To: <20060309175034.GJ29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10603081143i1a87c5a0re37cef0566b2dee3@mail.gmail.com> <000001c642e9$8f881070$0405a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <61e9e2b10603081204s75fcc7fv610ffb1fb889ab78@mail.gmail.com> <20060309175034.GJ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 3/9/06, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 03:04:32PM -0500, Daniel Armstrong wrote: > > I know *that* feeling. :-) > > > > Never been in the Tigerdirect store... Markham is a bit of a haul on > > transit from my place at Queen/Broadview. Usually hit the College St. > > strip for my needs. > > Oddly when I went in there, I kept walking around wondering where they > keep the stuff worth spending money on. There didn't seem to be very > much good hardware there, just cheap junk for the most part. > > Maybe I missed the right section. > > I think the only decent stuff I noticed was some of the motherboards. > > For now I will stick to Logic down the street from them. I had the same reaction that you did. My brother was in town, and wanted to check it out; apparently he found it "temptation-filled." I didn't find I wanted any of the stuff... They seemed to have "more crap" than I have seen anywhere else; the trouble is, that means it was "crap." Apparently others focus on the "more" part... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 11 00:01:53 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:01:53 -0500 Subject: new key? Message-ID: <44121371.6020605@vianet.ca> I am trying to copy files from my machine (p733) to the machine I just installed FC2 on (a800). I'm getting the following: [root at p733 chris]# scp -r /backupdrive/a800buonp733/paulinework pauline-Q0ErXNX1RuZDlWMHxMKk0g at public.gmane.org:/home/pauline/paulinework @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)! It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed. The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is [I deleted this in case this is stupid to make public.] Please contact your system administrator. Add correct host key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. Offending key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts:1 RSA host key for 192.168.0.3 has changed and you have requested strict checking.Host key verification failed. lost connection [root at p733 chris]# I have no experience with keys. Am I getting this because I set up the firewall on the new installation? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 11 00:16:43 2006 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:16:43 -0500 Subject: new key? In-Reply-To: <44121371.6020605-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <44121371.6020605@vianet.ca> Message-ID: Read below On 10-Mar-06, at 7:01 PM, Chris Aitken wrote: > I am trying to copy files from my machine (p733) to the machine I > just installed FC2 on (a800). > > I'm getting the following: > > [root at p733 chris]# scp -r /backupdrive/a800buonp733/paulinework > pauline-Q0ErXNX1RuZDlWMHxMKk0g at public.gmane.org:/home/pauline/paulinework > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! > Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle > attack)! > It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed. > The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is > [I deleted this in case this is stupid to make public.] > Please contact your system administrator. Just delete this key in the file and it will work > Add correct host key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this > message. > Offending key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts:1 > RSA host key for 192.168.0.3 has changed and you have requested > strict checking.Host key verification failed. > lost connection > [root at p733 chris]# > > I have no experience with keys. > > Am I getting this because I set up the firewall on the new > installation? > > Chris > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 11 00:27:24 2006 From: leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org (Leah Cunningham) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:27:24 -0500 Subject: Ruby on Rails Reference? In-Reply-To: <440F0145.3050605-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <440F0145.3050605@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200603101927.24280.leah@frauerpower.com> Agile has a good book, I've purchased it in PDF form from them. Also, you can get access to the development Rails books if you just sign up for that with O'Reilly On Wednesday 08 March 2006 11:07, you wrote: > I'm trying to get into Ruby on Rails, and am used to having a reference > book with me when starting any new language, etc... > > Unfortunatly, The Downtown Indigo had nothing, and the worlds biggest > only had a (The?) book on Ruby. Nothing on Rails till later this > year.(asked) > > So, What do current Railers(?) use for a reference to all the > commands/etc avilable? > > The api.rubyonrails.org site is too much of an information explosion for > my tastes. > > Thanks, > > Lance F. Squire > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Leah Cunningham : d416-585-9971x692 : d416-703-5977 : m416-559-6511 Frauerpower! Co. : www.frauerpower.com : Toronto, ON Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 11 00:51:57 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:51:57 -0500 Subject: new key? In-Reply-To: References: <44121371.6020605@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <44121F2D.1070308@vianet.ca> Dave Cramer wrote: > Read below > On 10-Mar-06, at 7:01 PM, Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I am trying to copy files from my machine (p733) to the machine I >> just installed FC2 on (a800). >> >> I'm getting the following: >> >> [root at p733 chris]# scp -r /backupdrive/a800buonp733/paulinework >> pauline-Q0ErXNX1RuZDlWMHxMKk0g at public.gmane.org:/home/pauline/paulinework >> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >> @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ >> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >> IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! >> Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle >> attack)! >> It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed. >> The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is >> [I deleted this in case this is stupid to make public.] >> Please contact your system administrator. > > Just delete this key in the file and it will work Well, on the machine I'm trying the scp from (p733) that file does not contain a key that matches. On the new installation (a800) that file does not exist. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 11 01:01:22 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:01:22 -0500 Subject: new key? In-Reply-To: <44121F2D.1070308-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <44121371.6020605@vianet.ca> <44121F2D.1070308@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <44122162.1000504@vianet.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > Dave Cramer wrote: >> >> Just delete this key in the file and it will work > > > Well, on the machine I'm trying the scp from (p733) that file does not > contain a key that matches. On the new installation (a800) that file > does not exist. On the machine I'm doing the scp from (p733), even though the key didn't match (the so-called "fingerprint" looked more like a MAC address than a key) and the filename was different (/root/.ssh/known_hosts instead of /root/.ssh/known_hosts:1), I just remarked (#) the first line in the file. I tried the scp again and this time it worked: [root at p733 chris]# scp -r /backupdrive/a800buonp733/paulinework pauline-Q0ErXNX1RuZDlWMHxMKk0g at public.gmane.org:/home/pauline/paulinework The authenticity of host '192.168.0.3 (192.168.0.3)' can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is [deleted]. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? I typed "yes" and the scp completed! Thanks everyone. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 11 23:51:10 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:51:10 -0500 Subject: Off-Topic: hockey stick? Message-ID: <20060311235110.GA3851@node1.opengeometry.net> Very very off-topic... Anyone here willing to sell (broken) hockey stick? I need about 18" long straight wood of about hockey stick cross-section. And, yes, it will be used for Linux machine. :-) -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 12 00:28:35 2006 From: vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org (Vince Hillier) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:28:35 -0500 Subject: Off-Topic: hockey stick? In-Reply-To: <20060311235110.GA3851-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060311235110.GA3851@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20060312002835.GD4585@svc.hazed.ca> On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 06:51:10PM -0500, William Park wrote: > Very very off-topic... Anyone here willing to sell (broken) hockey > stick? I need about 18" long straight wood of about hockey stick > cross-section. And, yes, it will be used for Linux machine. :-) Swing by any ice arena, you will find plenty of broken sticks. -- Vince Hillier vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org System Administrator -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 12 01:17:27 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:17:27 -0500 Subject: Off-Topic: hockey stick? In-Reply-To: <20060311235110.GA3851-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060311235110.GA3851@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <441376A7.5090102@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > Very very off-topic... Anyone here willing to sell (broken) hockey > stick? I need about 18" long straight wood of about hockey stick > cross-section. And, yes, it will be used for Linux machine. :-) > I'd be temped to use it on a Windows system. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 12 01:19:52 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:19:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Off-Topic: hockey stick? In-Reply-To: <441376A7.5090102-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060311235110.GA3851@node1.opengeometry.net> <441376A7.5090102@rogers.com> Message-ID: <50435.207.188.65.194.1142126392.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Need to stick-handle through some software issues, do we? ;) > William Park wrote: >> Very very off-topic... Anyone here willing to sell (broken) hockey >> stick? I need about 18" long straight wood of about hockey stick >> cross-section. And, yes, it will be used for Linux machine. :-) >> > > I'd be temped to use it on a Windows system. ;-) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 12 01:40:10 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:40:10 -0500 Subject: Off-Topic: hockey stick? In-Reply-To: <50435.207.188.65.194.1142126392.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <20060311235110.GA3851@node1.opengeometry.net> <441376A7.5090102@rogers.com> <50435.207.188.65.194.1142126392.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <200603112040.11273.interlug@weait.net> On Saturday 11 March 2006 20:19, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Need to stick-handle through some software issues, do we? ;) > Can we put these puns on ice for a while, I think they are off-side. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gstrom-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 12 02:50:23 2006 From: gstrom-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:50:23 -0500 Subject: Off-Topic: hockey stick? In-Reply-To: <20060312002835.GD4585-GlYl5jx6glPqJdGyAr2GoA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060311235110.GA3851@node1.opengeometry.net> <20060312002835.GD4585@svc.hazed.ca> Message-ID: <20060311215023.b76762b2.gstrom@eol.ca> On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:28:35 -0500 Vince Hillier wrote: > On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 06:51:10PM -0500, William Park wrote: > > Very very off-topic... Anyone here willing to sell (broken) hockey > > stick? I need about 18" long straight wood of about hockey stick > > cross-section. And, yes, it will be used for Linux machine. :-) > > > Swing by any ice arena, you will find plenty of broken sticks. > Or better yet, go to the Air Canada Centre. You can find plenty of sticks that were used in games but are in perfect condition--they don't have a mark on them. ;-> (or maybe it should be this :-<) -- Glen Strom gstrom-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 12 03:06:38 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 22:06:38 -0500 Subject: Off-Topic: hockey stick? In-Reply-To: <20060311215023.b76762b2.gstrom-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060311235110.GA3851@node1.opengeometry.net> <20060312002835.GD4585@svc.hazed.ca> <20060311215023.b76762b2.gstrom@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20060312030638.GA4620@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 09:50:23PM -0500, Glen Strom wrote: > On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:28:35 -0500 Vince Hillier > wrote: > > Swing by any ice arena, you will find plenty of broken sticks. > > > Or better yet, go to the Air Canada Centre. You can find plenty of > sticks that were used in games but are in perfect condition--they don't > have a mark on them. ;-> (or maybe it should be this :-<) Do I simply go up to reception desk, and ask for free hockey sticks? Anyways, I'll investigate this angle further. Thanks for the ideas. :-) -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 12 19:09:43 2006 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:09:43 -0500 Subject: Xgl -- more eye candy than Apple? Message-ID: Over on GrokLaw [1], PJ has posted notice of Novell's decision to re-brand their Novell Desktop Linux back to SUSE. That's not very exciting, but the inclusion of Xgl and "a real-time macro interpreter for OpenOffice.org which can read the most common Microsoft Excel spreadsheet macros" is going to remove barriers to the use of OOo, I presyume on either on Windows or Linux. The GrokLaw article is here: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060312052013937 and the linked video is a very nice demo of what Xgl can do .. although who would want a screen saver running as part of their normal desktop is beyond me. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario 1. http://www.groklaw.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 12 21:58:14 2006 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:58:14 -0500 Subject: USB stick partition problems In-Reply-To: <20060308191004.GF29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060308191004.GF29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 3/8/06, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Maybe you need to blank the start of the device with something like: > > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=50 > > That way it can't detect any FAT table signatures at the start of the > device, which might be what makes it think there is a 1GB filesystem > there. After that you should be able to partition it and make new > filesystems. > > Len Sorensen That seems to have fixed it! Thank you very much! -Steve. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 12 23:00:28 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:00:28 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4414A80C.1070604@vianet.ca> Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> I guess I'll start a third thread here, since my other installation >> related threads have continued with a tight focus. I have completed >> the new installation -- I had to install FC2 again as FC 4 was giving >> me anaconda related file references in an exception. I am not >> equipped to deal with that. A partition I set up is /bckupdrv using >> almost the whole 6 GB slave drive. df indicates the partition is only >> around 1 GB: [pauline at a800 pauline]$ df /bckupdrv >> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on >> /dev/hdb1 1004024 346348 606672 37% /bckupdrv >> Yet, Nautilus shows that the "new" drive has folders in it that are >> empty but somehow add up to 222 MB?! The plot thickens as fdsik >> reports the drive as the 6 GB that I hoped it would be. What's going on? > > > What is the output of: > > fdisk -l /dev/hdb > >> Should I recreate/format the drive in fdisk? > I guess I just didn't mark the drive to be formated in Disk Druid. It doesn't really matter, I guess. It's still partition type 83. I just delete4d the folders and files and now I have use of my 6 GB. I'm fine now. Thanks for the help everyone. CHris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 12 23:16:48 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:16:48 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <20060309174348.GH29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060309174348.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4414ABE0.4030201@vianet.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 04:07:46PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > >>Can anyone suggest a partitioning scheme for a new FC4 installation? >>Every time I make a bunch of partitions I end up with too much free >>space on some and not enough on others (notably /usr and /home). >> >>Master is 20 GB and slave is 6 GB. I think I'll partition the slave as >>/backupdrive -- that's worked well for me on another machine - .jpg's, >>.ogg's et al. >> >> > >Sounds reasonable. > > > >>How about >>swap 500 MB (I have 256 MB RAM) >>/boot 256 MB >> >> > >Is your machine ancient enough to need a /boot? > > I wasn't aware that newer machines didn't require /boot... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 12 23:22:25 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:22:25 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <1141870576.31824.1.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060308212641.GC4502@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <440F6600.7080400@vianet.ca> <440F8691.4060905@vianet.ca> <440F8703.8020101@vianet.ca> <1141870576.31824.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4414AD31.9060107@vianet.ca> John Van Ostrand wrote: >On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 20:38 -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > >>Chris Aitken wrote: >>I would have preferred to partition in fdisk -- I was only given the >>choise of Disk Druid or Automatic, and they both took me to Disk Druid >>anyway. >> >> > >The only error like that I commonly get during an FC4 installation is >when I remove and then add partitions during an installation. > Me too. >My >solution to that one has been to simply take the partitioning the second >time around. > > Interesting. I had thought of that but chose to install FC2 again instead, so I could choose my partitioning scheme. Now that that installation is OK I am upgrading to FC4 as we speak. We'll see how that goes... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 12 23:39:54 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:39:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux World / Network World Discounts Message-ID: <20060312233954.61994.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have been asked by the folks at Plum Communications (the folks running the Linux World Canada show) to forward on the following note regarding the early bird discount, the following is their copy (I don't get so breathless in my writing :-) ): -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Fantastic Early Bird rates are on for LinuxWorld and NetworkWorld (LWNW) Conference & Expo-but only for another week! Friday March 17th is the deadline and GTALUG MEMBERS RECEIVE A 25% DISCOUNT - USE CODE A101 - WHEN REGISTERING. 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Pre-register today-no charge for admission and you'll avoid the line-ups. If you have any questions about sessions or what the best package is for you, please contact the LWNW hotline anytime at 1-888-823-7586 x211. REMEMBER TO USE YOUR DISCOUNT CODE: A101 Register today! www.lwnwexpo.plumcom.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 00:26:53 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:26:53 -0500 Subject: 3 to 1? Message-ID: <4414BC4D.2@vianet.ca> I get three of each email (from any source). This is because I have my ISP account (caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) and two registered domains, chrisaitken.net and shinypinemusic.com. I want to be able to /send/ from caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org and chris at shinypinemusic. I want to /receive/ any mail sent to [anything]@chrisaitken.net and [anything]@shinypinemusic.com. My two registered domains have email forwarding set with EasyDNS. To have different 'From' fileds (in Thunderbird) I need three "different" mail servers. [Thunderbird can only create accounts with different mail server entries.] Of course, I can only really get mail from one server (vianet.ca). So, the three names I came up with are mail.vinet.ca, smtp.vianet.ca and the IP address. This allows me the three Thunderbird accounts. So, I can send to tlug from vianet.ca, I can send from shinypinemusic.com when it's business related, and chrisaitken.net when I think the response may be far in the future (hence, I may have changed ISPs). The problem is, as you might have guessed by now, that I get three of every email. Is there any way to avoid getting three of everything? I don't want to have to customize the 'From' for each mail as I would have to change server settings each time (unacceptable amount of configuration for just one email). I don't know whether to call my ISP or EasyDNS about this. It may be something I have to do on my own -- assuming anything can be done. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 00:58:51 2006 From: shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org (jkubik) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:58:51 -0500 Subject: 3 to 1? In-Reply-To: <4414BC4D.2-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4414BC4D.2@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <1142211531.20758.1.camel@linux.site> On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 19:26 -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > I get three of each email (from any source). This is because I have my > ISP account (caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) and two registered domains, > chrisaitken.net and shinypinemusic.com. I want to be able to /send/ from > caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org and chris at shinypinemusic. I > want to /receive/ any mail sent to [anything]@chrisaitken.net and > [anything]@shinypinemusic.com. My two registered domains have email > forwarding set with EasyDNS. > > To have different 'From' fileds (in Thunderbird) I need three > "different" mail servers. [Thunderbird can only create accounts with > different mail server entries.] Of course, I can only really get mail > from one server (vianet.ca). So, the three names I came up with are > mail.vinet.ca, smtp.vianet.ca and the IP address. This allows me the > three Thunderbird accounts. So, I can send to tlug from vianet.ca, I can > send from shinypinemusic.com when it's business related, and > chrisaitken.net when I think the response may be far in the future > (hence, I may have changed ISPs). > > The problem is, as you might have guessed by now, that I get three of > every email. Is there any way to avoid getting three of everything? > don't want to have to customize the 'From' for each mail as I would have > to change server settings each time (unacceptable amount of > configuration for just one email). I don't know whether to call my ISP > or EasyDNS about this. It may be something I have to do on my own -- > assuming anything can be done. > > Chris > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > So, are you actually get 3 copies of the same message, or are you downloading the same message 3 times? I think it's the latter, and the correct thing to do is to setup all extra mail accounts to forward to your correct email account. Then, from thunderbird you can send from any account you choose, but you only receive mail to one account. -Joseph- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 01:15:04 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:15:04 -0500 Subject: 3 to 1? In-Reply-To: <1142211531.20758.1.camel-YbU/o29LwNHN0uC3ymp8PA@public.gmane.org> References: <4414BC4D.2@vianet.ca> <1142211531.20758.1.camel@linux.site> Message-ID: <4414C798.3020200@vianet.ca> jkubik wrote: >>The problem is, as you might have guessed by now, that I get three of >>every email. Is there any way to avoid getting three of everything? >>don't want to have to customize the 'From' for each mail as I would have >>to change server settings each time (unacceptable amount of >>configuration for just one email). I don't know whether to call my ISP >>or EasyDNS about this. It may be something I have to do on my own -- >>assuming anything can be done. >> >>Chris >> >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> >> >> >So, are you actually get 3 copies of the same message, or are you >downloading the same message 3 times? > > Well, I think just downloading it three times. Once from the server's IP address and one each from smtp.vianet.ca and mail.vianet.ca (which are one and the same). >I think it's the latter, and the correct thing to do is to setup all >extra mail accounts to forward to your correct email account. > I'm not sure what that means. I have email forwarding set in chrisaitken.net and shinypinemusic.com to forward to caitken-Bm8TULXj0r+VS+Kkd+ZcAg at public.gmane.org The problem is that to have three accounts in Thunderbird I have to giv e the mail server three different names -- hence, I get the same email three times. > Then, from >thunderbird you can send from any account you choose, but you only >receive mail to one account. > > It's not working that way now. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 01:32:27 2006 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:32:27 -0500 Subject: Apache on Debian Stable Message-ID: <20060312203227.0d39dfaf.joehill@sympatico.ca> Hi all (been awhile!), My little Debian server has been running along nicely for quite some time now, except for power failures. Anyhow, I noticed recently that when I went to check everything was running normally, I found that loading my webpage, one sees www.freeyourmachine.org/apache2-default/ as the root. If I load the page from inside my lan, it appears normal, ie. I just point my browser at the IP of the server. In my /etc/apache2/apache2.conf I have: DocumentRoot "/var/www/apache2-default" I'm running Debian Stable, and I just did an update about 2 weeks ago or so. Any ideas what's wrong besides the user? -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist." -- Archbishop Helder Camara -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 01:55:54 2006 From: vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org (Vince Hillier) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:55:54 -0500 Subject: 3 to 1? In-Reply-To: <4414BC4D.2-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4414BC4D.2@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060313015554.GE4585@svc.hazed.ca> On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 07:26:53PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > I get three of each email (from any source). This is because I have my > ISP account (caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) and two registered domains, > chrisaitken.net and shinypinemusic.com. I want to be able to /send/ from > caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org and chris at shinypinemusic. I > want to /receive/ any mail sent to [anything]@chrisaitken.net and > [anything]@shinypinemusic.com. My two registered domains have email > forwarding set with EasyDNS. > > To have different 'From' fileds (in Thunderbird) I need three > "different" mail servers. [Thunderbird can only create accounts with > different mail server entries.] Of course, I can only really get mail Wow, that's quite the setup! Say hello to Identities, they''ll resolve your conundrum. Click Tools -> Account settings, select your account and you will see a button called "Manage Identities". This allows you to have 1 account with multiple personalities. When composing a message, simply select which personality you want to use, and you're done. No more multiple accounts :) -- Vince Hillier vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org System Administrator -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 02:01:24 2006 From: vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org (Vince Hillier) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:01:24 -0500 Subject: Apache on Debian Stable In-Reply-To: <20060312203227.0d39dfaf.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060312203227.0d39dfaf.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20060313020124.GF4585@svc.hazed.ca> On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 08:32:27PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > > Hi all (been awhile!), > > My little Debian server has been running along nicely for quite some time now, > except for power failures. > > Anyhow, I noticed recently that when I went to check everything was running > normally, I found that loading my webpage, one sees > www.freeyourmachine.org/apache2-default/ as the root. In /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default there is a RedirectMatch directive (marked with -->>> below): Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews AllowOverride None Order allow,deny allow from all # Uncomment this directive is you want to see apache2's # default start page (in /apache2-default) when you go # to / -->>> RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ Simple comment that out and no redirection will occur. Providing your document root is setup, people will hit that doc root ;) -- Vince Hillier vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org System Administrator -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 02:11:12 2006 From: vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org (Vince Hillier) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:11:12 -0500 Subject: 3 to 1? In-Reply-To: <20060313015554.GE4585-GlYl5jx6glPqJdGyAr2GoA@public.gmane.org> References: <4414BC4D.2@vianet.ca> <20060313015554.GE4585@svc.hazed.ca> Message-ID: <20060313021112.GA16349@svc.hazed.ca> On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 08:55:54PM -0500, Vince Hillier wrote: > On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 07:26:53PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > I get three of each email (from any source). This is because I have my > > ISP account (caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) and two registered domains, > > chrisaitken.net and shinypinemusic.com. I want to be able to /send/ from > > caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org and chris at shinypinemusic. I > > want to /receive/ any mail sent to [anything]@chrisaitken.net and > > [anything]@shinypinemusic.com. My two registered domains have email > > forwarding set with EasyDNS. > > > > To have different 'From' fileds (in Thunderbird) I need three > > "different" mail servers. [Thunderbird can only create accounts with > > different mail server entries.] Of course, I can only really get mail > > Wow, that's quite the setup! > > Say hello to Identities, they''ll resolve your conundrum. > > Click Tools -> Account settings, select your account and you will see a > button called "Manage Identities". This allows you to have 1 account > with multiple personalities. > The linux version *has* to be different :) Click Edit -> Account Settings, then you'll see the Manage Identities button in the lower right section of the pane where you specifiy your Name, Email, Org, etc... -- Vince Hillier vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org System Administrator -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 02:23:10 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:23:10 -0500 Subject: 3 to 1? In-Reply-To: <20060313021112.GA16349-GlYl5jx6glPqJdGyAr2GoA@public.gmane.org> References: <4414BC4D.2@vianet.ca> <20060313015554.GE4585@svc.hazed.ca> <20060313021112.GA16349@svc.hazed.ca> Message-ID: <4414D78E.8000603@vianet.ca> Vince Hillier wrote: >On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 08:55:54PM -0500, Vince Hillier wrote: > > >>On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 07:26:53PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: >> >> >>>I get three of each email (from any source). This is because I have my >>>ISP account (caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) and two registered domains, >>>chrisaitken.net and shinypinemusic.com. I want to be able to /send/ from >>>caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org and chris at shinypinemusic. I >>>want to /receive/ any mail sent to [anything]@chrisaitken.net and >>>[anything]@shinypinemusic.com. My two registered domains have email >>>forwarding set with EasyDNS. >>> >>>To have different 'From' fileds (in Thunderbird) I need three >>>"different" mail servers. [Thunderbird can only create accounts with >>>different mail server entries.] Of course, I can only really get mail >>> >>> >>Wow, that's quite the setup! >> >>Say hello to Identities, they''ll resolve your conundrum. >> >>Click Tools -> Account settings, select your account and you will see a >>button called "Manage Identities". This allows you to have 1 account >>with multiple personalities. >> >> >> > >The linux version *has* to be different :) > >Click Edit -> Account Settings, then you'll see the Manage Identities >button in the lower right section of the pane where you specifiy your >Name, Email, Org, etc... > > Right on, right on, right on! Thank y'all. Can you guess it worked? ;) Chris > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 03:31:15 2006 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:31:15 -0500 Subject: Apache on Debian Stable In-Reply-To: <20060313020124.GF4585-GlYl5jx6glPqJdGyAr2GoA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060312203227.0d39dfaf.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20060313020124.GF4585@svc.hazed.ca> Message-ID: <20060312223115.2dc1cbc0.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:01:24 -0500 Vince Hillier got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > > Anyhow, I noticed recently that when I went to check everything was running > > normally, I found that loading my webpage, one sees > > www.freeyourmachine.org/apache2-default/ as the root. > > In /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default there is a RedirectMatch > directive (marked with -->>> below): > > > Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews > AllowOverride None > Order allow,deny > allow from all > # Uncomment this directive is you want to see apache2's > # default start page (in /apache2-default) when you go > # to / > -->>> RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ > > > Simple comment that out and no redirection will occur. > > Providing your document root is setup, people will hit that doc root ;) Worked like a charm, thanks! When I did the update, I probably missed something when Apache asked about keeping the old config maybe? -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ya know they murdered X And tried to blame it on Islam He turned the power to the have-nots And then came the shot -- Rage Against the Machine -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 03:34:08 2006 From: vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org (Vince Hillier) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:34:08 -0500 Subject: Apache on Debian Stable In-Reply-To: <20060312223115.2dc1cbc0.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060312203227.0d39dfaf.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20060313020124.GF4585@svc.hazed.ca> <20060312223115.2dc1cbc0.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20060313033408.GA16484@svc.hazed.ca> On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 10:31:15PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:01:24 -0500 > Vince Hillier got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > > > > Anyhow, I noticed recently that when I went to check everything was running > > > normally, I found that loading my webpage, one sees > > > www.freeyourmachine.org/apache2-default/ as the root. > > > > In /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default there is a RedirectMatch > > directive (marked with -->>> below): > > > > > > Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews > > AllowOverride None > > Order allow,deny > > allow from all > > # Uncomment this directive is you want to see apache2's > > # default start page (in /apache2-default) when you go > > # to / > > -->>> RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ > > > > > > Simple comment that out and no redirection will occur. > > > > Providing your document root is setup, people will hit that doc root ;) > > Worked like a charm, thanks! When I did the update, I probably missed something > when Apache asked about keeping the old config maybe? Hrm.. This usually only happens when you go from apache 1.x to 2.x... were you running apache 1.3 prior to the upgrade? -- Vince Hillier vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org System Administrator -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 04:07:06 2006 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:07:06 -0500 Subject: Apache on Debian Stable In-Reply-To: <20060313033408.GA16484-GlYl5jx6glPqJdGyAr2GoA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060312203227.0d39dfaf.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20060313020124.GF4585@svc.hazed.ca> <20060312223115.2dc1cbc0.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20060313033408.GA16484@svc.hazed.ca> Message-ID: <20060312230706.2dba70c6.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:34:08 -0500 Vince Hillier got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > > Worked like a charm, thanks! When I did the update, I probably missed > > something when Apache asked about keeping the old config maybe? > > Hrm.. This usually only happens when you go from apache 1.x to 2.x... > were you running apache 1.3 prior to the upgrade? Don't believe so, always been using apache2-default as my doc root, anyhow. I'm quite sure when I did the install way back when, I only installed 2.x. That's the problem with Debian, it works so well and so easily, I guess I take it too much for granted. The only reason I even noticed this was someone pointing it out to me. Sysadmin I am not :-\ ...and before anyone get's ticked, hey, I could be mucking around with IIS! -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Tax the rich, feed the poor, Till there are no rich no more" -- Ten Years After -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 04:17:01 2006 From: vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org (Vince Hillier) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:17:01 -0500 Subject: Apache on Debian Stable In-Reply-To: <20060312230706.2dba70c6.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060312203227.0d39dfaf.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20060313020124.GF4585@svc.hazed.ca> <20060312223115.2dc1cbc0.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20060313033408.GA16484@svc.hazed.ca> <20060312230706.2dba70c6.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20060313041701.GB16484@svc.hazed.ca> On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 11:07:06PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:34:08 -0500 > Vince Hillier got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > > > > Worked like a charm, thanks! When I did the update, I probably missed > > > something when Apache asked about keeping the old config maybe? > > > > Hrm.. This usually only happens when you go from apache 1.x to 2.x... > > were you running apache 1.3 prior to the upgrade? > > Don't believe so, always been using apache2-default as my doc root, anyhow. I'm > quite sure when I did the install way back when, I only installed 2.x. > > That's the problem with Debian, it works so well and so easily, I guess I take > it too much for granted. The only reason I even noticed this was someone > pointing it out to me. It's been like that for a long time then :) The last apache2 update was in september 2005. Sometime after that you must have updated your system. I can only assume it asked you about a file and you chose to install the package maintainers version. Anyhow, happy it's fixed! > ...and before anyone get's ticked, hey, I could be mucking around with IIS! Why would people get ticked? :) -- Vince Hillier vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org System Administrator -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 05:11:07 2006 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 00:11:07 -0500 Subject: Apache on Debian Stable In-Reply-To: <20060313041701.GB16484-GlYl5jx6glPqJdGyAr2GoA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060312203227.0d39dfaf.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20060313020124.GF4585@svc.hazed.ca> <20060312223115.2dc1cbc0.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20060313033408.GA16484@svc.hazed.ca> <20060312230706.2dba70c6.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20060313041701.GB16484@svc.hazed.ca> Message-ID: <20060313001107.5f59bff0.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:17:01 -0500 Vince Hillier got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > It's been like that for a long time then :) > > The last apache2 update was in september 2005. Sometime after that you > must have updated your system. I can only assume it asked you about a file > and you chose to install the package maintainers version. Sounds familiar, now that you mention it. > > Anyhow, happy it's fixed! Yep. Thanks! > > ...and before anyone get's ticked, hey, I could be mucking around with IIS! > > Why would people get ticked? :) 'Bloody amateurs running webservers'? ;-) -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "He who does not put out his money at interest, and does not take a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved." -- Psalm 15 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 05:37:21 2006 From: vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org (Vince Hillier) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 00:37:21 -0500 Subject: Apache on Debian Stable In-Reply-To: <20060313001107.5f59bff0.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060312203227.0d39dfaf.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20060313020124.GF4585@svc.hazed.ca> <20060312223115.2dc1cbc0.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20060313033408.GA16484@svc.hazed.ca> <20060312230706.2dba70c6.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20060313041701.GB16484@svc.hazed.ca> <20060313001107.5f59bff0.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20060313053721.GC16484@svc.hazed.ca> On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 12:11:07AM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > > > ...and before anyone get's ticked, hey, I could be mucking around with IIS! > > > > Why would people get ticked? :) > > 'Bloody amateurs running webservers'? ;-) Anyone who says they haven't been there is lying :) -- Vince Hillier vince-WxfNDWQh5LNIo2TaICnI/Q at public.gmane.org System Administrator -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 14:34:16 2006 From: mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org (Gregory D Hough) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:34:16 -0500 Subject: OT TCP MSS Message-ID: <441582E8.5000501@execulink.com> Hi, Just curious as to what systems or for what reasons one would have a TCP Maximum Segment Size equal to 1372. I've never used an OS configured this way by default. IP Address: 124.0.225.70 Distance: 20 Type: REMOTE host Fingerprint: 16A0:055C:40:00:1:1:1:1:A:3C Operating System: unknown fingerprint (please submit it) Nearest one is: Linux 2.4.xx Port: TCP 80 | http IP Address: 199.166.6.100 Hostname: execulink.com Distance: 6 Type: REMOTE host Fingerprint: 16A0:055C:40:00:1:1:1:1:A:3C Operating System: unknown fingerprint (please submit it) Nearest one is: Linux 2.4.xx Port: TCP 25 | smtp Port: TCP 110 | pop-3 IP Address: 61.129.102.116 Distance: 17 Type: REMOTE host Fingerprint: 4050:055C:80:00:1:1:1:1:A:40 Operating System: unknown fingerprint (please submit it) Nearest one is: OpenBSD 3.2 Port: TCP 80 | http I've learned that the above results are often times unreliable since ettercap falsely fingers some of my own hosts as Windows. IP Address: 192.168.144.122 MAC address: Manufacturer: D-Link Distance: 0 Type: LAN host Fingerprint: 16D0:05B4:40:02:1:1:1:1:S:3C Operating System: unknown fingerprint (please submit it) Nearest one is: Windows Port: UDP 68 | dhcpclient Port: UDP 123 | ntp Thanks, Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 16:40:39 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:40:39 -0500 Subject: Postscript printer question Message-ID: <4415A087.1020308@alteeve.com> Hi all, I've got a bit of a problem... I've got a perl script that looks at a PS file that I print from OpenOffice2. The program (which I can't modify) reads the postscript and looks for '~' (tilde) and substitutes in values where they are found. I have tried creating a printer (the recommended printer is the Apple LaserWriter NT) and told to print in PostScript level 1. Then I print a given document to a file using this (dummy) printer. The problem is that when I look at the resulting PS file instead of getting '~' where appropriate I am getting (the ASCII?) '<7E>' instead. Has anyone run into this before? If so, any idea how to tell it to print the tilde instead of the ASCII? As an aside, when the same printer in PS level 1 is used on MS' Office the result is the tilde and I need to mimic this behavior. Thanks!! -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 17:16:25 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:16:25 +0200 (IST) Subject: Postscript printer question In-Reply-To: <4415A087.1020308-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4415A087.1020308@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Your message makes little sense, sorry. What I know: 0x7E is the ascii code for '~'. Tildes are special in PS so they get printed escaped as you saw. You can insert a filter that turns <7E> into '~'. It must appear between OO and the 'program'. One way to do this is to provide an alias for lpr that does this. The filer can be a 1-liner that substitutes ~ for every <7E>. Be aware that PS with ~'s will not be PS. Also other ~'s in PS must be escaped to they are *not* '~'s when the other program runs. So, a simple answer would be, how about changing the OO application so it uses something other than '~' as trigger ? Say a dichar, like [} ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 17:19:30 2006 From: shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org (jkubik) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:19:30 -0500 Subject: Postscript printer question In-Reply-To: <4415A087.1020308-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4415A087.1020308@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1142270370.6845.4.camel@linux.site> On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 11:40 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got a bit of a problem... I've got a perl script that looks at a > PS file that I print from OpenOffice2. > > The program (which I can't modify) reads the postscript and looks for > '~' (tilde) and substitutes in values where they are found. I have tried > creating a printer (the recommended printer is the Apple LaserWriter NT) > and told to print in PostScript level 1. Then I print a given document > to a file using this (dummy) printer. > > The problem is that when I look at the resulting PS file instead of > getting '~' where appropriate I am getting (the ASCII?) '<7E>' instead. > Has anyone run into this before? If so, any idea how to tell it to print > the tilde instead of the ASCII? > > As an aside, when the same printer in PS level 1 is used on MS' > Office the result is the tilde and I need to mimic this behavior. > > Thanks!! > To be honest, you lost me. What OS is this running on? what is the data source? What is the ultimate data destination? Why are you changing the character ~ ? Cheers, -Joseph- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 17:28:21 2006 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:28:21 -0500 Subject: Ruby on Rails Reference? Thanks In-Reply-To: <1e55af990603092014x39dcdf60he64fe88cb0d492ef-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <440F0145.3050605@alteeve.com> <1e55af990603092014x39dcdf60he64fe88cb0d492ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4415ABB5.4070500@alteeve.com> Sy Ali wrote: > I keep a couple of lists of links, some of which might be useful for you: > > http://www.trug.ca/Ruby > http://www.trug.ca/Rails > This is more what I was looking for. Thanks > > I've heard that the most recent beta PDF book (via OReilly) is > unimpressive.. it got a bit of a beating on the rails mailing list. Thats good to know. I usually get the O'Reilly books. Guess I'll have to be Pragmatic about this... ;) and order the pdf/book online. Thanks all. Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 18:32:56 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:32:56 -0500 Subject: X and Eye Candy Message-ID: <4415BAD8.8080803@telly.org> Hey all, I've downloaded and booted a copy of the Kororaa distribution, and I highly recommend that others here have a look at this glimpse at the future of the open source desktop. This is a live CD distro (it _can't_ install on your HD), based on Gentoo, for systems with NVidea or ATI cards that can do hardare-based OpenGL. This distro essentially demos the XGL hardware acceleration stuff that Novell contributed not long ago, and it is really something. Have a look at the demos a http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/ and/or then see them for yourself by booting Kororaa. While this particular live CD is based on GNOME (which is funny for a distro whose name starts with "K"), I'm looking forward to seeing this applied to a KDE-based system. It adds all kinds of interesting features *and* runs faster than regular X, by taking advantage of hardware video acceleration. In a similar vein here, has anyone here installed either KBFX or SuperKaramba? If so, what did you think of them? Thanks! - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 19:41:54 2006 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:41:54 -0500 Subject: Kernel updates in Ubuntu Message-ID: <1142278914.8073.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> I recently switched to Ubuntu 5.1 on my laptop (from Mandriva) and the kernel updates offered have me a bit confused. The auto update function of Ubuntu lists these three possibilities: linux-386 complete linux kernel on 386 new version 2.6.12.16.1 linux-image-2.6.12-10-386 linux kernel image for version 2.6.12 on 386 new version 2.6.12-10.28 linux-image-386 linux-kernel-image on 396 new version 2.6.12.16.1 Which of these, if any, should I select? My confusion comes from my experience with Mandrake / Mandriva which offered only single kernel updates ( and they were uncommon), so my knowledge of updating kernels is fairly limited. Thanks in advance John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 19:48:54 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:48:54 -0500 Subject: X and Eye Candy In-Reply-To: <4415BAD8.8080803-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <4415BAD8.8080803@telly.org> Message-ID: <4415CCA6.50306@utoronto.ca> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Hey all, > > I've downloaded and booted a copy of the Kororaa distribution, and I > highly recommend that others here have a look at this glimpse at the > future of the open source desktop. > > This is a live CD distro (it _can't_ install on your HD), based on > Gentoo, for systems with NVidea or ATI cards that can do hardare-based > OpenGL. This distro essentially demos the XGL hardware acceleration > stuff that Novell contributed not long ago, and it is really something. > Have a look at the demos a http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/ > and/or then see them for yourself by booting Kororaa. While this > particular live CD is based on GNOME (which is funny for a distro whose > name starts with "K"), I'm looking forward to seeing this applied to a > KDE-based system. It adds all kinds of interesting features *and* runs > faster than regular X, by taking advantage of hardware video acceleration. > > In a similar vein here, has anyone here installed either KBFX or > SuperKaramba? If so, what did you think of them? I've tried using XGL on KDE with transparency -- it works rather well. Most documentation on it is written for Gnome, but it works. Superkaramba is great -- take a look at my desktop here: http://jamonation.com/images/snapshot6.jpg KBFX Vista is the custom Kmenu button, mtaskbar2 is the taskbar applet that shows a preview of this very message vs. just the plain text of taskbar v1. Superkaramba should be rather self evident. Sorry if the quality is a little off -- I've scaled down to 1280x960 from my normal desktop resolution. Has anyone tinkered with AIGLX yet? It sounds like it will be a more practical eye candy solution vs. replacing xserver (if I understand correctly, XGL is an entire xserver replacement?). Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 19:57:20 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:57:20 -0500 Subject: Kernel updates in Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1142278914.8073.24.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1142278914.8073.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4415CEA0.7080108@utoronto.ca> John McGregor wrote: > I recently switched to Ubuntu 5.1 on my laptop (from Mandriva) and the > kernel updates offered have me a bit confused. The auto update function > of Ubuntu lists these three possibilities: > > linux-386 > complete linux kernel on 386 > new version 2.6.12.16.1 > > linux-image-2.6.12-10-386 > linux kernel image for version 2.6.12 on 386 > new version 2.6.12-10.28 > > linux-image-386 > linux-kernel-image on 396 > new version 2.6.12.16.1 > > Which of these, if any, should I select? My confusion comes from my > experience with Mandrake / Mandriva which offered only single kernel > updates ( and they were uncommon), so my knowledge of updating kernels > is fairly limited. I'd say disregard the 386 kernels altogether and use a 686 version. You can uninstall the 386 versions too, though you might have to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst to take out the old entries if dpkg doesn't do it automatically. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 20:08:23 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:08:23 -0500 Subject: Postscript printer question In-Reply-To: References: <4415A087.1020308@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4415D137.3040502@alteeve.com> Peter wrote: > > Your message makes little sense, sorry. What I know: 0x7E is the ascii > code for '~'. Tildes are special in PS so they get printed escaped as > you saw. You can insert a filter that turns <7E> into '~'. It must > appear between OO and the 'program'. One way to do this is to provide an > alias for lpr that does this. The filer can be a 1-liner that > substitutes ~ for every <7E>. Be aware that PS with ~'s will not be PS. > Also other ~'s in PS must be escaped to they are *not* '~'s when the > other program runs. > > So, a simple answer would be, how about changing the OO application so > it uses something other than '~' as trigger ? Say a dichar, like [} ? > > Peter Sorry, I don't have a lot of experience with PostScript. :p To answer Joseph's questions: - OpenOffice 2.0 on Ubuntu Dapper Drake (beta) - The datasource is a MS Word file (foo.doc) - The ultimate destination of a program-generated PDF made by reading in the PS file and substituting values from a database where ever there is a tilde (~) based of a plain text file which specified which tables and columns to use. - I am changing the '~' because the PostScript file is used as a template for the PDF. To answer your questions: Unfortunately the script that looks for the tildes is not editable by me so I need to stick to the tildes as they are. I asked the person who wrote the script if I could just write a converted that does what you suggest but he is worried that other things would silently break. So I print the PS file as close to the way that MS does... I know, not bloody likely. :p For now I've just email myself the doc and print it on a windows machine here in the office and mail myself back the PS. A bit of a pain but it sounds like MS didn't follow the PS standard properly (gasp!) so I doubt this will be easily resolved. Thanks kindly for both of your responses! Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 20:29:06 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:29:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Michael Geist lecture at Hart House Message-ID: Michael Geist will be delivering a lecture "Our own creative land" at Hart House on Thursday March 30. March is very active in discussing the public interest in the "Intellectual Property" area from a Canadian perspective. If you don't know who he is, do have a look at his blog. Announcement of the lecture: http://individual.utoronto.ca/dtsang/hhlecture/index2.html (Includes a link to Geist's blog.) You need a ticket to attend. Tickets are free, if you are careful (ordering on the web costs $1.00, getting the ticket(s) mailed costs $2.00). You can pick up tickets at the UofTtix Box Office. What I did to get a ticket: I phoned for a ticket and was given a confirmation number. I can use this number to pick up the ticket during business hours OR I can pick up a ticket about 15 minutes ahead of the lecture. No charge (so far). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 20:40:45 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:40:45 -0500 Subject: Michael Geist lecture at Hart House In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4415D8CD.801@utoronto.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Michael Geist will be delivering a lecture "Our own creative land" at Hart > House on Thursday March 30. > > March is very active in discussing the public interest in the > "Intellectual Property" area from a Canadian perspective. If you don't > know who he is, do have a look at his blog. > > Announcement of the lecture: > http://individual.utoronto.ca/dtsang/hhlecture/index2.html > (Includes a link to Geist's blog.) > > You need a ticket to attend. Tickets are free, if you are careful > (ordering on the web costs $1.00, getting the ticket(s) mailed costs > $2.00). You can pick up tickets at the UofTtix Box Office. > > What I did to get a ticket: I phoned for a ticket and was given a > confirmation number. I can use this number to pick up the ticket during > business hours OR I can pick up a ticket about 15 minutes ahead of the > lecture. No charge (so far). Brilliant. Sounds like it's going fast (according to the person I spoke with). I've got my tickets. I mentioned GTALUG, anyone else who calls should too :) Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 20:43:03 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:43:03 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <4414ABE0.4030201-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060309174348.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4414ABE0.4030201@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060313204303.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 06:16:48PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > I wasn't aware that newer machines didn't require /boot... The point of /boot has usually been one of: Your bios only supports 1024 cylinders, or 504M or 2G or 8G or some other limit on what it can access. Since the boot loaded uses the bios to read the disk, you are limited to whatever the bios can address. Having a small partition in the first 1024 cylinders of the disk solved the problem since the boot loader reads all it's files from /boot which is in the readable range, and hence you boot. Once the kernel is loaded it takes over from the bios and can read everything. The other reason is to have a non LVM partition to load from in order to have / on LVM. If you don't need either of those, you don't need /boot. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 21:09:16 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:09:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: X and Eye Candy In-Reply-To: <4415BAD8.8080803-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <4415BAD8.8080803@telly.org> Message-ID: | From: Evan Leibovitch | | I've downloaded and booted a copy of the Kororaa distribution, and I highly | recommend that others here have a look at this glimpse at the future of the | open source desktop. Thanks. I had heard of this. I was tempted, partly for the silly reason that I was forced to buy a very high-end video card (nVidia 7800GTX) and have had no use for what makes it so expensive: 3d performance. In particular, I'm using the open source driver that cannot touch all those pipes and shaders and thingees. (Why did I buy this card? Because my monitor requires "dual link" DVI to drive it. The nVidia 7800GT was the cheapest nVidia card that would do the job (I got a GTX instead for incidental reasons). I had tried an ATI x1300 at less than a third of the cost (and watts) but there is no Linux driver for the ATI x1000 series cards.) I have not as yet downloaded Kororaa because I haven't thought of any actual benefit from the candy. Desktops on the face of a cube sound cute but not helpful (how does that work when my desktop isn't square?). But this is only based on thinking about the thing. Evan: what does Koraraa do for you? Why do you find it a worthwhile experience? Some things about x-over-GL have me concerned: - the only decent 3d drivers for Linux are proprietary. Even those don't actually work right with Xgl (maybe that has changed; see http://en.opensuse.org/Xgl and http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_XGL#Prerequisites). On the other hand, only certain middle-aged ATI cards work for AIGLX (see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx). - (SuSE's) Xgl apparently precludes DRI applications - (Red Hat's) aiglx seems to require the window manager to do the magic. Perhaps only one window manager (Metacity) will be allowed. I may have this wrong -- I've never tried any of these things. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 21:41:32 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:41:32 -0500 Subject: Postscript printer question In-Reply-To: <4415A087.1020308-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4415A087.1020308@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20060313214132.GP29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 11:40:39AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got a bit of a problem... I've got a perl script that looks at a > PS file that I print from OpenOffice2. > > The program (which I can't modify) reads the postscript and looks for > '~' (tilde) and substitutes in values where they are found. I have tried > creating a printer (the recommended printer is the Apple LaserWriter NT) > and told to print in PostScript level 1. Then I print a given document > to a file using this (dummy) printer. > > The problem is that when I look at the resulting PS file instead of > getting '~' where appropriate I am getting (the ASCII?) '<7E>' instead. > Has anyone run into this before? If so, any idea how to tell it to print > the tilde instead of the ASCII? > > As an aside, when the same printer in PS level 1 is used on MS' > Office the result is the tilde and I need to mimic this behavior. Well after a quick look, if I did something like: echo "abc ~ 123" | a2ps -o a2pstemp.ps I get something which contains the code: x0 y0 moveto (abc ~ 123) p n Which seems reasonable. Do the same from open office with print to file and you get: 162 131 moveto 0 setgray (TimesNewRomanPSMTHGSet1) cvn findfont 50 -50 matrix scale makefont setfont <616263207E20313233> Where the stuff in <...> is the hex codes for the stuff that was ascii in (...) above. Of course this probably means it is reasonable to look for <...> lines in the output from OOo parsing 2 characters at a time, looking for 7E and replacing it with the hex encoding of the desired string, which before you just had to look for ~ in (...) lines and replace that. Or you can try and figure out how to make OOo not use the hex encoding, although I suspect it has to do with unicode and other multilanguage support and the fonts it uses, where perhaps on windows you are getting a simpler ascii only version. Even setting OOo to postscript level 1 did nothing to change the output. Len Sorensen Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 22:09:29 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:09:29 -0500 Subject: X and Eye Candy In-Reply-To: References: <4415BAD8.8080803@telly.org> Message-ID: <4415ED99.5020302@telly.org> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >I have not as yet downloaded Kororaa because I haven't thought of any actual benefit from the candy. Desktops on the face of a cube sound >cute but not helpful (how does that work when my desktop isn't square?). But this is only based on thinking about the thing. > >Evan: what does Koraraa do for you? Why do you find it a worthwhile experience? > > Simply, it's a great demo. There is (and will continue to be) a significant part of the computer-buying public that likes style over substance. Microsoft and Apple know this all too well. While it is vital that the bulk of open source development resources go to those mundane issues of stability and efficiency, having the gloss available is still a useful component in helping FOSS go mainstream. Being able to offer style *and* stability *and* freedom is a very compelling proposition -- and indeed it is necessary to be compelling (rather than just "better") because we are also fighting inertia. IOW, it's not for everyone, but it's really really nice for many. As for me, I can appreciate having some windows that are very transparent, and the cube paradigm seems slightly more useful than the current KDE and GNOME panels. >- the only decent 3d drivers for Linux are proprietary. Even those > don't actually work right with Xgl (maybe that has changed; see > http://en.opensuse.org/Xgl and > http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_XGL#Prerequisites). > My Thinkpad (with an onboard Radeon 9600) worked just fine. A second attempt to boot on a system with the Centrino Intel onboard video didn't succeed. The list is at http://getkororaa.com/releases/xgl/xgl-cards As for the need for binary-only drivers, I guess this is another potential philosophical fight over the sacrifices in "freedom" people will make to get the features they like. Anyone wanting to use a built-in laptop modem or Centrino wireless under Linux has already had to make that leap. I can respect both POVs. Release 0.1 doesn't support DRI but future versions will aim at supporting it. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 22:24:53 2006 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:24:53 -0500 Subject: dell parts in toronto Message-ID: Any one know computer shops that carry Dell PowerEdge power supply? I am looking for one. Thx. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 22:33:39 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:33:39 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org writes: > Chris F.A. Johnson writes: > >> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: >> >>> I guess I'll start a third thread here, since my other installation >>> related threads have continued with a tight focus. I have completed the >>> new installation -- I had to install FC2 again as FC 4 was giving me >>> anaconda related file references in an exception. I am not equipped to >>> deal with that. A partition I set up is /bckupdrv using almost the whole >>> 6 GB slave drive. df indicates the partition is only around 1 GB: >>> [pauline at a800 pauline]$ df /bckupdrv >>> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on >>> /dev/hdb1 1004024 346348 606672 37% /bckupdrv Yet, >>> Nautilus shows that the "new" drive has folders in it that are empty but >>> somehow add up to 222 MB?! The plot thickens as fdsik reports the drive >>> as the 6 GB that I hoped it would be. What's going on? >> >> What is the output of: >> >> fdisk -l /dev/hdb > > [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hdb > > Disk /dev/hdb: 6488 MB, 6488294400 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 788 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/hdb1 * 1 788 6329578+ 83 Linux > > I thought I was okay with this but I'm not. I'm only able to save under 1 Gb on this supposedly 6.5 GB dard drive. I'm getting different information from fdisk, hardware browser, df, and Nautilus. ANy ideas? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 22:39:09 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:39:09 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <20060313223339.2394.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org: > caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org writes: > > > Chris F.A. Johnson writes: > > > >> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> > >>> I guess I'll start a third thread here, since my other installation > >>> related threads have continued with a tight focus. I have completed the > >>> new installation -- I had to install FC2 again as FC 4 was giving me > >>> anaconda related file references in an exception. I am not equipped to > >>> deal with that. A partition I set up is /bckupdrv using almost the whole > >>> 6 GB slave drive. df indicates the partition is only around 1 GB: > >>> [pauline at a800 pauline]$ df /bckupdrv > >>> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > >>> /dev/hdb1 1004024 346348 606672 37% /bckupdrv Yet, > >>> Nautilus shows that the "new" drive has folders in it that are empty but > >>> somehow add up to 222 MB?! The plot thickens as fdsik reports the drive > >>> as the 6 GB that I hoped it would be. What's going on? > >> > >> What is the output of: > >> > >> fdisk -l /dev/hdb > > > > [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hdb > > > > Disk /dev/hdb: 6488 MB, 6488294400 bytes > > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 788 cylinders > > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > > > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > > /dev/hdb1 * 1 788 6329578+ 83 Linux > > > > > > I thought I was okay with this but I'm not. I'm only able to save under 1 Gb > on this supposedly 6.5 GB dard drive. I'm getting different information from > fdisk, hardware browser, df, and Nautilus. > > ANy ideas? > > Chris > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > I forget if you have data that you need to access on this drive or not. If it's not important and you don't care about what is currently on that drive, then why not format and start over? Or have you tried that already? Sorry, to waste your time if this isn't the case. Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 22:42:31 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:42:31 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060313224231.14998.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org writes: > > I thought I was okay with this but I'm not. I'm only able to save under 1 > Gb on this supposedly 6.5 GB dard drive. I'm getting different information > from fdisk, hardware browser, df, and Nautilus. [root at a800 pauline]# df /bckupdrv Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hdb1 1004024 1004024 0 100% /bckupdrv Hardware Browser: 5722 MB Nautilus: Name: bckupdrv Type: folder Contents: 1120 items, totalling 959.2 MB Location: / Volume: 6.0G Media Free bytes: 0 space fdisk: [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hdb Disk /dev/hdb: 6488 MB, 6488294400 bytes 118 heads, 58 sectors/track, 1851 cylinders Units = cylinders of 6844 * 512 = 3504128 bytes How can I make this partition so that I can use the whole 6 GB? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 22:48:11 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:48:11 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e-2RFepEojUI13G5Uu0KmH2CwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >I forget if you have data that you need to access on this drive or not. > No, I'm setting it up as a backup drive but I can delete what's in there now. > If it's >not important and you don't care about what is currently on that drive, then why >not format and start over? > That's what I'm trying to do. I don't know how to call up disk druidtoher than during an installation. I used to know my way around fdisk pretty well but now when I choose delete a partition it asks me which partition then I type in a number and it rejects it. I don't see any other disk partitioner in FC4. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 23:06:14 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:06:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: X and Eye Candy In-Reply-To: <4415ED99.5020302-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <4415BAD8.8080803@telly.org> <4415ED99.5020302@telly.org> Message-ID: | From: Evan Leibovitch Thanks for the answer. | There is (and will continue to be) a significant part of the | computer-buying public that likes style over substance. Yup. I was only trying to figure out what was in it for me directly. I figure that you and I might have similar needs. | As for me, I can appreciate having some windows that are very | transparent, and the cube paradigm seems slightly more useful than the | current KDE and GNOME panels. I rarely use the Gnome "Workspace Switcher". I just get the biggest monitor I can (hence the need for the fancy video card). I've thought about why I don't use the switcher more (no monitor is big enough) but have no answer. | The list is at http://getkororaa.com/releases/xgl/xgl-cards Thanks for the list. | As for the need for binary-only drivers, I guess this is another | potential philosophical fight over the sacrifices in "freedom" people | will make to get the features they like. This isn't just philosophical. One of the things I like about Linux is that devices seem to be supported, in a realistic sense, well past when the manufacturer is no longer interested in them. In a theoretical sense, forever (but this may require an unreasonable amount of self-help). As for 3d acceleration, we've not yet seen a pattern. Old ATI cards have open drivers that can do 3d. This is not the case for newer ATI cards nor for nVidia cards. Intel drivers are open but the hardware is not in the same league. There were noises from VIA about open drivers for their 3d stuff but they don't have much of a presence. Matrox has apparently retreated both from Linux and from 3d. We really need ATI or nVidia to open up the specs of their cards. I'm not holding my breath. | Anyone wanting to use a | built-in laptop modem or Centrino wireless under Linux has already had | to make that leap. I can respect both POVs. Actually, Centrino wireless has an open driver. It needs a binary-only firmware blob, but that is OK from a pragmatic standpoint. As I understand it, the blob will work indefinitely, even if the Linux driver has to change to match newer kernels. Apparently the annoyingly ubiquitous Broadcom wireless chips have been reverse engineered and an open source driver is available (working? not sure). I have a few PCMCIA/PC-CARD/SD hardware modems for the so-far-theoretical time that I need a modem on a portable device. | Release 0.1 doesn't support DRI but future versions will aim at | supporting it. My feelings about DRI are mixed anyway. I think (but don't know for sure) that it opens grave security risks for the kernel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 23:53:07 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:53:07 -0500 Subject: X and Eye Candy In-Reply-To: References: <4415BAD8.8080803@telly.org> <4415ED99.5020302@telly.org> Message-ID: <441605E3.6090403@telly.org> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >This isn't just philosophical. One of the things I like about Linux >is that devices seem to be supported, in a realistic sense, well past >when the manufacturer is no longer interested in them. In a >theoretical sense, forever (but this may require an unreasonable >amount of self-help). > > If the binary drivers are freely copyable then they will be around forever, able to work with X servers that don't change the interface. However, you offer a hint at something here... >Old ATI cards have open drivers that can do 3d. This is not the case for newer ATI cards nor for nVidia cards. > ATI makes no new money off old cards, neither does nVidia. The proprietary edge that they must keep on current cards has a finite life. One would hope that as the next generation of cards is available, source for the no-longer-sold ones will be opened. This tactic has a reasonable chance of success and is a reasonable middle ground. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 13 23:57:42 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:57:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Meeting bits and Linux World Canada stuff. Message-ID: <20060313235742.29948.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just a reminder that there will be a GTALug meeting tomorrow (Tuesday) evening. As a noted in the little piece I did for Linux Format their is a small group of folks (myself included) who do gather at the "Pho Hung" restaurant at 350 Spadina, at 6:00 PM before the start of a GTALug meeting. Anyone interested in discussing Linux over the likes of spicy pork Vietnamese dishes is welcome to join us. I was at a Bulk Barn today and picked up handfuls of 5 different candies that look like they MIGHT be good as give away items for the Linux World Canada show. So, I will hope to have a little candy tasting tomorrow evening, asking the question, "What would/would not work as a booth attractor?" Below is a slightly revised write-up that Chris Johnson did before the last Linux World show. Two key changes, all references to TLUG are now GTALug, and the addition of a note regarding WestTLUG. Question is, what changes should be made to make this a great flier for this year's Linux World show? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Welcome to the Greater Toronto Area Linux User Group The Greater Toronto Area Linux User Group is committed to the free exchange of Linux related information. The members of GTALug have organized to: - Promote interest in and use of the Linux operating system, the Free Software Foundation, and the GNU Public Licence. - Encourage public acceptance of Linux and Open Source solutions. - Foster Linux education and training. - Provide various means for the free exchange of information, news, and ideas about Linux and the open source advantage. - Organize and sponsor special events. Membership: The membership consists of people who have an interest in Linux and wish to exchange information and ideas with other like minded individuals. Voting membership is $20.00 per year. TLUG is made up of many different people, from programmers and technicians who make their living as information technology professionals, to people who have no computer experience whatsoever. We welcome all to share and explore with us the freedom, power and fun Linux has to offer as an operating system for people of all interests and needs. We all have one thing in common: a desire to network with others to help us understand, encourage us to explore the varied aspects, and gain exposure to diverse and emerging Linux technologies. Meetings: GTALug has three monthly meetings which are open to all: GTALug meetings are held on the 2nd Tuesday of the month on the University of Toronto downtown campus. NetTLUG, for new users of Linux, holds meetings on the 4th Tuesday of each month, at various locations. WestTLUG, a social group that meets in various locations in Mississauga.on the 1st Tuesday of every month. Mailing List: GTALug maintains an active discussion list as well as a non-interactive announcement list. Website: Information on GTALug, the meetings and the mailing list can be found on our website at: tlug.ss.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 00:29:22 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:29:22 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <4415F6AB.6040601-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > >> I forget if you have data that you need to access on this drive or not. > > No, I'm setting it up as a backup drive but I can delete what's in > there now. > >> If it's >> not important and you don't care about what is currently on that >> drive, then why >> not format and start over? > > That's what I'm trying to do. I don't know how to call up disk > druidtoher than during an installation. I used to know my way around > fdisk pretty well but now when I choose delete a partition it asks me > which partition then I type in a number and it rejects it. I don't see > any other disk partitioner in FC4. I notice fstab that LABEL=/ is for /bvkupdrv. That didn't seem right so I changed it to /dev/hdb1 for /bckupdrv. I don't knwo if that will help -- it hasn't seemed to. I stuill only have around 1 GB accessible on the 6 GB partition. I even deleted the partition in fdisk (including w to write the change to the table), rebooted and it's still there. Bot, I'm gonna learn a lot from this one. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 00:33:59 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:33:59 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <44160E62.8060303-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > >> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> >> >> >>> I forget if you have data that you need to access on this drive or not. >> >> >> No, I'm setting it up as a backup drive but I can delete what's in >> there now. >> >>> If it's >>> not important and you don't care about what is currently on that >>> drive, then why >>> not format and start over? >> >> >> That's what I'm trying to do. I don't know how to call up disk >> druidtoher than during an installation. I used to know my way around >> fdisk pretty well but now when I choose delete a partition it asks me >> which partition then I type in a number and it rejects it. I don't >> see any other disk partitioner in FC4. > > > I notice fstab that LABEL=/ is for /bvkupdrv. That didn't seem right > so I changed it to /dev/hdb1 for /bckupdrv. I don't knwo if that will > help -- it hasn't seemed to. I stuill only have around 1 GB accessible > on the 6 GB partition. I even deleted the partition in fdisk > (including w to write the change to the table), rebooted and it's > still there. Bot, I'm gonna learn a lot from this one. I read in the fdisk man page that cfdisk is the best 'fdisk'. I don't seem to have it. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 00:36:55 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:36:55 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <44160F77.5020605-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Chris Aitken wrote: >> >>> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I forget if you have data that you need to access on this drive or >>>> not. >>> >>> >>> >>> No, I'm setting it up as a backup drive but I can delete what's in >>> there now. >>> >>>> If it's >>>> not important and you don't care about what is currently on that >>>> drive, then why >>>> not format and start over? >>> >>> >>> >>> That's what I'm trying to do. I don't know how to call up disk >>> druidtoher than during an installation. I used to know my way around >>> fdisk pretty well but now when I choose delete a partition it asks >>> me which partition then I type in a number and it rejects it. I >>> don't see any other disk partitioner in FC4. >> >> >> >> I notice fstab that LABEL=/ is for /bvkupdrv. That didn't seem right >> so I changed it to /dev/hdb1 for /bckupdrv. I don't know if that will >> help -- it hasn't seemed to. > Oops. Is the command to get the fstab changes to be accepted? Or am I thinking of lilo...? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 00:52:40 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 13 Mar 2006 19:52:40 -0500 Subject: Postscript printer question In-Reply-To: <20060313214132.GP29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4415A087.1020308@alteeve.com> <20060313214132.GP29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 11:40:39AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I've got a bit of a problem... I've got a perl script that looks at a > > PS file that I print from OpenOffice2. > > > > The program (which I can't modify) reads the postscript and looks for > > '~' (tilde) and substitutes in values where they are found. I have tried > > creating a printer (the recommended printer is the Apple LaserWriter NT) > > and told to print in PostScript level 1. Then I print a given document > > to a file using this (dummy) printer. > > > > The problem is that when I look at the resulting PS file instead of > > getting '~' where appropriate I am getting (the ASCII?) '<7E>' instead. > > Has anyone run into this before? If so, any idea how to tell it to print > > the tilde instead of the ASCII? > > > > As an aside, when the same printer in PS level 1 is used on MS' > > Office the result is the tilde and I need to mimic this behavior. > > Well after a quick look, if I did something like: > > echo "abc ~ 123" | a2ps -o a2pstemp.ps > > I get something which contains the code: > x0 y0 moveto > (abc ~ 123) p n > > Which seems reasonable. > > Do the same from open office with print to file and you get: > 162 131 moveto > 0 setgray > (TimesNewRomanPSMTHGSet1) cvn findfont 50 -50 matrix scale makefont > setfont > <616263207E20313233> > > Where the stuff in <...> is the hex codes for the stuff that was ascii > in (...) above. > > Of course this probably means it is reasonable to look for <...> lines > in the output from OOo parsing 2 characters at a time, looking for 7E > and replacing it with the hex encoding of the desired string, which > before you just had to look for ~ in (...) lines and replace that. The PostScript Red Book has this to say: A hexadecimal string consists of a sequence of hexadecimal digits (09 and either AF or af) enclosed within < and >. Each pair of hexadecimal digits defines one character of the string. White-space characters are ignored. If a hexadecimal string contains characters outside the allowed character set, a syntaxerror occurs. Hexadecimal strings are useful for including arbitrary binary data as literal text. So, while this is legal behaviour on the part of OOo, I would argue that it departs from the intent as your example uses plain text. In case you decide to implement a scanner, be aware of this: If the final digit of a given hexadecimal string is missing in other words, if there is an odd number of digits, the final digit is assumed to be 0. For example, <901fa3> is a 3-character string containing the characters whose hexadecimal codes are 90, 1f, and a3, but <901fa> is a 3-character string containing the characters whose hexadecimal codes are 90, 1f, and a0. There's no reason for OOo to escape ~ as, according to the Red Book, only (, ), <, >, [, ], {, }, /, and % are special. Having said that, PostScript uses <~ and ~> as delimiters for base 85 strings. > Or you can try and figure out how to make OOo not use the hex encoding, > although I suspect it has to do with unicode and other multilanguage > support and the fonts it uses, where perhaps on windows you are getting > a simpler ascii only version. Even setting OOo to postscript level 1 > did nothing to change the output. It could be as simple as playing with your LANG or LOCALE environment variables. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 01:04:25 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 13 Mar 2006 20:04:25 -0500 Subject: X and Eye Candy In-Reply-To: <4415ED99.5020302-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <4415BAD8.8080803@telly.org> <4415ED99.5020302@telly.org> Message-ID: Evan Leibovitch writes: > Release 0.1 doesn't support DRI but future versions will aim at > supporting it. Are you sure about that? ATI's proprietary driver requires DRI for hardware accelerated OpenGL. Without DRI, 3D rendering is software only. In which case, why wouldn't it (Xgl) work with any video card, assuming the system is fast enough to provide reasonable 3D performance? -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 01:31:58 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 13 Mar 2006 20:31:58 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <20060313224231.14998.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313224231.14998.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org writes: > caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org writes: > > > I thought I was okay with this but I'm not. I'm only able to save under 1 > > Gb on this supposedly 6.5 GB dard drive. I'm getting different information > > from fdisk, hardware browser, df, and Nautilus. > > > [root at a800 pauline]# df /bckupdrv > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/hdb1 1004024 1004024 0 100% /bckupdrv Hardware > Browser: > > 5722 MB Nautilus: > > Name: bckupdrv > Type: folder > Contents: 1120 items, totalling 959.2 MB > Location: / > Volume: 6.0G Media > Free bytes: 0 space fdisk: > > [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hdb Disk /dev/hdb: 6488 MB, > 6488294400 bytes > > 118 heads, 58 sectors/track, 1851 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 6844 * 512 = 3504128 bytes How can I make this partition > so that I can use the whole 6 GB? Chris Are you sure about the output? This looks like the disk isn't partitioned, although that contradicts the df output above. To try and solve it: o Unmount it o Clear the partition table # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb count=1 o Install sfdisk o Put this in a script and execute it (the script) #!/bin/sh sfdisk /dev/hdb < starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 01:36:04 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 13 Mar 2006 20:36:04 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <44161027.4030408-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> Message-ID: Chris Aitken writes: > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > >> Chris Aitken wrote: > >> > >>> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> I forget if you have data that you need to access on this drive or not. > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> No, I'm setting it up as a backup drive but I can delete what's in therenow. > > >>> > >>>> If it's > >>>> not important and you don't care about what is currently on that drive, > >>>> then why > > >>>> not format and start over? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> That's what I'm trying to do. I don't know how to call up disk druidtoher > >>> than during an installation. I used to know my way around fdisk pretty > >>> well but now when I choose delete a partition it asks me which partition > >>> then I type in a number and it rejects it. I don't see any other disk partitioner in FC4. > > >> > >> > >> > >> I notice fstab that LABEL=/ is for /bvkupdrv. That didn't seem right so I > >> changed it to /dev/hdb1 for /bckupdrv. I don't know if that will help -- > >> it hasn't seemed to. > > > > Oops. Is the command to get the fstab changes to be accepted? Or am I > thinking of lilo...? This change will not take affect until you reboot. But don't do that because the above sounds like there may be some confusion between what is your backup drive and what is /. Please e-mail your complete /etc/fstab (from before you modified it), the output of "mount", and the output of "fdisk -l". -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 01:45:47 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:45:47 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <20060313204303.GO29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060309174348.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4414ABE0.4030201@vianet.ca> <20060313204303.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4416204B.6050206@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > The other reason is to have a non LVM partition to load from in order to > have / on LVM. > > If you don't need either of those, you don't need /boot. What other partitions can't be on LVM? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 02:27:48 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:27:48 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <4416204B.6050206-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060309174348.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4414ABE0.4030201@vianet.ca> <20060313204303.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4416204B.6050206@rogers.com> Message-ID: <44162A24.2040908@georgetown.wehave.net> James Knott wrote: >>The other reason is to have a non LVM partition to load from in order to >>have / on LVM. >> >>If you don't need either of those, you don't need /boot. > > > What other partitions can't be on LVM? All mount points can be on LVM except the one containing your kernel. Following typical distribution methods this means that you would have to make /boot a standalone non-LVM device ... everything is fine for LVM. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 02:35:42 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:35:42 -0500 Subject: Kernel updates in Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1142278914.8073.24.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1142278914.8073.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44162BFE.6060508@georgetown.wehave.net> John McGregor wrote: > I recently switched to Ubuntu 5.1 on my laptop (from Mandriva) and the > kernel updates offered have me a bit confused. The auto update function > of Ubuntu lists these three possibilities: > > linux-386 > complete linux kernel on 386 > new version 2.6.12.16.1 > > linux-image-2.6.12-10-386 > linux kernel image for version 2.6.12 on 386 > new version 2.6.12-10.28 > > linux-image-386 > linux-kernel-image on 396 > new version 2.6.12.16.1 Try this: apt-cache show linux-386 | grep ^Depends apt-cache show linux-image-386 | grep ^Depends apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.12-10-386 | grep ^Depends My guess is that linux-386 depends on linux-image-386 which depends on linux-image-2.6.12-10-386. The chain of dependencies is to provide an easy upgrade path for apt if you eventually upgrade to Ubuntu versions beyond 5.10 ... at that point linux-image-386 might depend on linux-image-2.6.16-10-386 instead of linux-image-2.6.12-10-386. I use amd64 on my ubuntu so my dependencies are slightly differenty. Like someone else said you may want to install linux-686 or similar instead ... though it's not a sure performance gain. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 03:49:02 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:49:02 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313224231.14998.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <44163D2E.80303@vianet.ca> Tim Writer wrote: >caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org writes: > > > >>caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org writes: >> >> >> >>>I thought I was okay with this but I'm not. I'm only able to save under 1 >>>Gb on this supposedly 6.5 GB dard drive. I'm getting different information >>>from fdisk, hardware browser, df, and Nautilus. >>> >>> >>[root at a800 pauline]# df /bckupdrv >>Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on >>/dev/hdb1 1004024 1004024 0 100% /bckupdrv Hardware >>Browser: >> >>5722 MB Nautilus: >> >>Name: bckupdrv >>Type: folder >>Contents: 1120 items, totalling 959.2 MB >>Location: / >>Volume: 6.0G Media >>Free bytes: 0 space fdisk: >> >>[root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hdb Disk /dev/hdb: 6488 MB, >>6488294400 bytes >> >>118 heads, 58 sectors/track, 1851 cylinders >>Units = cylinders of 6844 * 512 = 3504128 bytes How can I make this partition >>so that I can use the whole 6 GB? Chris >> >> > >Are you sure about the output? This looks like the disk isn't partitioned, >although that contradicts the df output above. > > I know. >To try and solve it: > > I'm flattered you think I can handle this. > o Unmount it > > Okay: [root at a800 pauline]# umount /dev/hdb1 > o Clear the partition table > > # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb count=1 > > [root at a800 pauline]# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb count=1 1+0 records in 1+0 records out > o Install sfdisk > > Looks like I have it: [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/sfdisk sfdisk version 3.08 (aeb-rh8NL+sEX9E at public.gmane.org, 040824) from util-linux-2.12p Usage: sfdisk [options] device ... > o Put this in a script and execute it (the script) > > Do I make a file in vi then put a ./ infront of it from the directory it's in? Is that how to "execute" it? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 03:52:52 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:52:52 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> Tim Writer wrote: >This change will not take affect until you reboot. But don't do that because >the above sounds like there may be some confusion between what is your backup >drive and what is /. Please e-mail your complete /etc/fstab (from before you >modified it), > # This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details LABEL=/1 / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/ /bckupdrv ext3 defaults 1 2 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 LABEL=/var /var ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda3 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom auto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 ~ > the output of "mount", > [root at a800 pauline]# mount /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw) none on /proc type proc (rw) none on /sys type sysfs (rw) none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) /dev/hda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw) none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) /dev/hda5 on /var type ext3 (rw) none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) sunrpc on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw) automount(pid1973) on /misc type autofs (rw,fd=4,pgrp=1973,minproto=2,maxproto=4) automount(pid2026) on /net type autofs (rw,fd=4,pgrp=2026,minproto=2,maxproto=4)[root at a800 pauline]# > and the output of "fdisk -l". > > [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/fdisk -l Disk /dev/hda: 20.5 GB, 20547841536 bytes 16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 39813 cylinders Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 203 102280+ 83 Linux /dev/hda2 204 36693 18390960 83 Linux /dev/hda3 36694 37733 524160 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/hda4 37734 39813 1048320 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hda5 37734 39813 1048288+ 83 Linux Disk /dev/hdb: 6488 MB, 6488294400 bytes 15 heads, 63 sectors/track, 13410 cylinders Units = cylinders of 945 * 512 = 483840 bytes Disk /dev/hdb doesn't contain a valid partition table [root at a800 pauline]# -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 04:33:13 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:33:13 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <4414ABE0.4030201-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060309174348.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4414ABE0.4030201@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060314043313.GC6594@waltdnes.org> On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 06:16:48PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote > I wasn't aware that newer machines didn't require /boot... Linux will create a *DIRECTORY* by that name. No need for a separate patition, however. Older machines only need ed it because their BIOS's, which handle the boot process, couldn't read the entire hard drive. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 04:46:32 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:46:32 -0500 Subject: Question about plotting graphs in Gnumeric Message-ID: <20060314044632.GD6594@waltdnes.org> I've got approx 2 years of spam-blocking statistics in a spreadsheet, like so... > 675 575 700 888 3357 2997 1325 1879 1062 1153 1371 1142 1093 796 780 493 853 484 460 628 696 648 701 1059 3146 3426 > JAN FEB MAR APR MAY JUN JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC JAN FEB MAR APR MAY JUN JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC JAN FEB The cells are properly aligned as 2 rows. I'm trying to plot the numbers, on the Y scale and the labels on the X scale. Problem is that the X scale always is 1, 2, 3..., 26. I don't see any way to get the months plotted as text labels, i.e. "JAN", "FEB", etc. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 13:56:52 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:56:52 -0500 Subject: X and Eye Candy In-Reply-To: References: <4415BAD8.8080803@telly.org> Message-ID: <20060314135652.GQ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 04:09:16PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I had heard of this. I was tempted, partly for the silly reason that > I was forced to buy a very high-end video card (nVidia 7800GTX) and > have had no use for what makes it so expensive: 3d performance. In > particular, I'm using the open source driver that cannot touch all > those pipes and shaders and thingees. > > (Why did I buy this card? Because my monitor requires "dual link" DVI > to drive it. The nVidia 7800GT was the cheapest nVidia card that > would do the job (I got a GTX instead for incidental reasons). I had > tried an ATI x1300 at less than a third of the cost (and watts) but > there is no Linux driver for the ATI x1000 series cards.) I guess the 7600GT will be the new cheaper option for dual link, and 7900 will be a 2x dual link option (but expensive). I don't know of any cheap dual link cards either though. :) > I have not as yet downloaded Kororaa because I haven't thought of any > actual benefit from the candy. Desktops on the face of a cube sound > cute but not helpful (how does that work when my desktop isn't > square?). But this is only based on thinking about the thing. I suspect it just warps things a bit. I can't think of any way it is helpful. Eyecandy usually isn't. > Evan: what does Koraraa do for you? Why do you find it a worthwhile > experience? > > > Some things about x-over-GL have me concerned: > > - the only decent 3d drivers for Linux are proprietary. Even those > don't actually work right with Xgl (maybe that has changed; see > http://en.opensuse.org/Xgl and > http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_XGL#Prerequisites). On the other hand, > only certain middle-aged ATI cards work for AIGLX (see > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx). That is certainly an annoying problem. I hope someday some company will be willing to release enough specs for people to write 3D open source drivers for decent 3D hardware. The ATI vs. nVidia 3D games war on Windows does not seem to be heading that direction any time soon though. > - (SuSE's) Xgl apparently precludes DRI applications > > - (Red Hat's) aiglx seems to require the window manager to do the > magic. Perhaps only one window manager (Metacity) will be allowed. No, it seems the composit extension in either design should work with any window manager that uses that extension. Both Xgl and aiglx are extensions to X that implement accaleration for this feature. At least that is my understanding. SuSE decided to make a completely new x server, while redhat decided to make it a module for X.org and should hence support any other feature X.org does, while the Xgl option only does whatever they have implemented so far in their X server. > I may have this wrong -- I've never tried any of these things. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 13:59:06 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:59:06 -0500 Subject: X and Eye Candy In-Reply-To: <4415ED99.5020302-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <4415BAD8.8080803@telly.org> <4415ED99.5020302@telly.org> Message-ID: <20060314135906.GR29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 05:09:29PM -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Simply, it's a great demo. > > There is (and will continue to be) a significant part of the > computer-buying public that likes style over substance. > Microsoft and Apple know this all too well. > While it is vital that the bulk of open source development resources go > to those mundane issues of stability and efficiency, having the gloss > available is still a useful component in helping FOSS go mainstream. > Being able to offer style *and* stability *and* freedom is a very > compelling proposition -- and indeed it is necessary to be compelling > (rather than just "better") because we are also fighting inertia. > > IOW, it's not for everyone, but it's really really nice for many. > > As for me, I can appreciate having some windows that are very > transparent, and the cube paradigm seems slightly more useful than the > current KDE and GNOME panels. > > My Thinkpad (with an onboard Radeon 9600) worked just fine. A second > attempt to boot on a system with the Centrino Intel onboard video didn't > succeed. The list is at http://getkororaa.com/releases/xgl/xgl-cards > > As for the need for binary-only drivers, I guess this is another > potential philosophical fight over the sacrifices in "freedom" people > will make to get the features they like. Anyone wanting to use a > built-in laptop modem or Centrino wireless under Linux has already had > to make that leap. I can respect both POVs. I thought the intel wireless on the centrino was among the best supported on linux. You need a firmware file for the card, but so what, as long as the driver is open source you can work with it. The card once the firmware file is loaded is no different than a card that had an eeprom with firmware on it. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 14:04:20 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:04:20 -0500 Subject: Postscript printer question In-Reply-To: References: <4415A087.1020308@alteeve.com> <20060313214132.GP29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20060314140420.GS29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 07:52:40PM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > The PostScript Red Book has this to say: > > A hexadecimal string consists of a sequence of hexadecimal > digits (09 and either AF or af) enclosed within < and >. Each > pair of hexadecimal digits defines one character of the > string. White-space characters are ignored. If a hexadecimal > string contains characters outside the allowed character set, > a syntaxerror occurs. Hexadecimal strings are useful for > including arbitrary binary data as literal text. > > So, while this is legal behaviour on the part of OOo, I would argue that it > departs from the intent as your example uses plain text. > > In case you decide to implement a scanner, be aware of this: > > If the final digit of a given hexadecimal string is missing in > other words, if there is an odd number of digits, the final > digit is assumed to be 0. For example, <901fa3> is a > 3-character string containing the characters whose hexadecimal > codes are 90, 1f, and a3, but <901fa> is a 3-character string > containing the characters whose hexadecimal codes are 90, 1f, > and a0. > > There's no reason for OOo to escape ~ as, according to the Red Book, only > (, ), <, >, [, ], {, }, /, and % are special. Having said that, PostScript > uses <~ and ~> as delimiters for base 85 strings. Well it just appears that OOo has implemented things as 'encode everything as hex'. It isn't just escaping ~, it is escaping everything. I suspect it really is just a case of doing one thing for everything rather than having a special case for ascii characters. > It could be as simple as playing with your LANG or LOCALE environment > variables. I doubt it. I tend to run with LANG=C and usually no LOCALE setting. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 14:05:47 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:05:47 -0500 Subject: dell parts in toronto In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060314140547.GT29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 05:24:53PM -0500, Phillip Qin wrote: > Any one know computer shops that carry Dell PowerEdge power supply? I am > looking for one. Thx. As in you need a power supply for a Dell server? I suspect you may only have the choice of contacting Dell. Even for Dell desktops you have very few choices. You can contact Dell or buy one from PC Power & Cooling. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 14:07:35 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:07:35 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <4416204B.6050206-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060309174348.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4414ABE0.4030201@vianet.ca> <20060313204303.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4416204B.6050206@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20060314140735.GU29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 08:45:47PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > What other partitions can't be on LVM? The only thing can't be on LVM is the kernel and initrd files, since once those are loaded and start executing, they can setup LVM access and even / can be mounted from LVM. So that is the only requirement. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 14:18:39 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:18:39 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <44163E14.6090700-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4416D0BF.3040107@vianet.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > Tim Writer wrote: > > > >> This change will not take affect until you reboot. But don't do that >> because >> the above sounds like there may be some confusion between what is >> your backup >> drive and what is /. Please e-mail your complete /etc/fstab (from >> before you >> modified it), > I still had the modified fstab when I rebooted this morning. I got a prompt to enter root password or hit Ctrl-D. I entered the root password and vi /etc/fstab. I modified the line... /dev/hdb1 /bckupdrv ext3 defaults 1 2 back to the original... LABEL=/ /bckupdrv ext3 defaults 1 2 However the system won't let me save fstab. I get "can't open file for writing" when I try to save with wq! Maybe even though I was prompted for the root password I'm not really logged on as root. Or maybe fstab is open hence can't be altered. Is there a way I can logon as root before fstab loads? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 14:37:41 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:37:41 -0400 Subject: dell parts in toronto In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4416D535.3080200@alteeve.com> Phillip Qin wrote: > Any one know computer shops that carry Dell PowerEdge power supply? I am > looking for one. Thx. > These guys get a lot of weird stuff all the time, including a lot of server stuff. What they have changes from one week to the next though. The company is called 'Cadis' (416-633-1014 at Steeles & Allan or 416-752-7600 Eglington & Victoria Park area). Ask for Alan if you can, he's the boss and a really nice guy, too. Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 14:51:13 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 14 Mar 2006 09:51:13 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <44163D2E.80303-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313224231.14998.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <44163D2E.80303@vianet.ca> Message-ID: Chris Aitken writes: > Tim Writer wrote: > > >To try and solve it: > > > > I'm flattered you think I can handle this. I'm trying to keep it simple. I chose sfdisk because it can be fully controlled from the command line and a configuration file, no need to walk you through, with instructions like "Press 'P' and hit 'ENTER'. Now you should see ...." > > o Unmount it > > > > Okay: > [root at a800 pauline]# umount /dev/hdb1 > > > o Clear the partition table > > > > # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb count=1 > > > > [root at a800 pauline]# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb count=1 > 1+0 records in > 1+0 records out > > > o Install sfdisk > > > > Looks like I have it: > [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/sfdisk > sfdisk version 3.08 (aeb-rh8NL+sEX9E at public.gmane.org, 040824) from util-linux-2.12p > Usage: sfdisk [options] device ... > > > o Put this in a script and execute it (the script) > > > > Do I make a file in vi then put a ./ infront of it from the directory it's > in? Is that how to "execute" it? That's one way. If you do it that way, you will have to make it executable first, like this: # vi script .... edit as described # chmod +x script # ./script Alternatively, you can just run the script with sh, like this: # sh script -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 15:01:47 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 14 Mar 2006 10:01:47 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <44163E14.6090700-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> Message-ID: Chris Aitken writes: > Tim Writer wrote: > > > > >This change will not take affect until you reboot. But don't do that because > >the above sounds like there may be some confusion between what is your backup > >drive and what is /. Please e-mail your complete /etc/fstab (from before you > >modified it), > > > # This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details > LABEL=/1 / ext3 defaults 1 1 > LABEL=/ /bckupdrv ext3 defaults 1 2 > LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 > none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 > none /proc proc defaults 0 0 > none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 > LABEL=/var /var ext3 defaults 1 2 > /dev/hda3 swap swap defaults 0 0 > /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto > pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom auto > pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 The LABEL= lines are pretty confusing but at least the labels are distinct. I was worried you had somehow mounted your root file system twice. > > the output of "mount", > > > [root at a800 pauline]# mount > /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw) > none on /proc type proc (rw) > none on /sys type sysfs (rw) > none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) > /dev/hda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw) > none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) > /dev/hda5 on /var type ext3 (rw) > none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) > sunrpc on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw) > automount(pid1973) on /misc type autofs > (rw,fd=4,pgrp=1973,minproto=2,maxproto=4) > automount(pid2026) on /net type autofs > (rw,fd=4,pgrp=2026,minproto=2,maxproto=4)[root at a800 pauline]# Okay, with the above, we can see that: / is /dev/hda2 /boot is /dev/hda1 /var is /dev/hda5 and /bckupdrv is no longer mounted (presumably because you were following my earlier instructions). Armed with the above, I would fix your /etc/fstab as follows: Replace LABEL=/1 with /dev/hda2 Replace LABEL=/ with /dev/hdb1 Replace LABEL=/boot with /dev/hda1 Replace LABEL=/var with /dev/hda5 Personally, I don't understand why Red Hat uses LABELs. Unless you're careful, they introduce more problems than they solve. > > and the output of "fdisk -l". > > > > > [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/fdisk -l > > Disk /dev/hda: 20.5 GB, 20547841536 bytes > 16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 39813 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/hda1 * 1 203 102280+ 83 Linux > /dev/hda2 204 36693 18390960 83 Linux > /dev/hda3 36694 37733 524160 82 Linux swap / Solaris > /dev/hda4 37734 39813 1048320 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) > /dev/hda5 37734 39813 1048288+ 83 Linux > > Disk /dev/hdb: 6488 MB, 6488294400 bytes > 15 heads, 63 sectors/track, 13410 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 945 * 512 = 483840 bytes > > Disk /dev/hdb doesn't contain a valid partition table > [root at a800 pauline]# Okay, this is consistent with the above. Fix your /etc/fstab and finish going through my earlier instructions and you should be all set. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 15:04:55 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 14 Mar 2006 10:04:55 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <4416D0BF.3040107-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416D0BF.3040107@vianet.ca> Message-ID: Chris Aitken writes: > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > Tim Writer wrote: > > > > > > > >> This change will not take affect until you reboot. But don't do that because > > >> the above sounds like there may be some confusion between what is your backup > > >> drive and what is /. Please e-mail your complete /etc/fstab (from beforeyou > > >> modified it), > > > I still had the modified fstab when I rebooted this morning. I got a prompt > to enter root password or hit Ctrl-D. I entered the root password and vi > /etc/fstab. I modified the line... > > /dev/hdb1 /bckupdrv ext3 defaults 1 2 > > > back to the original... > LABEL=/ /bckupdrv ext3 defaults 1 2 > > However the system won't let me save fstab. I get "can't open file for > writing" when I try to save with wq! When you're in maintenance mode, Red Hat has not yet mounted the root file system read-only. You can fix it like this: # mount -n -o remount,rw / The above changes will not fix your problem because at this point, you no longer have any file systems on /dev/hdb. We wiped out the partition table, remember? Simply comment out the /bckupdrv line (insert # at the beginning of the line) for now. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 15:13:15 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 14 Mar 2006 10:13:15 -0500 Subject: Postscript printer question In-Reply-To: <20060314140420.GS29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4415A087.1020308@alteeve.com> <20060313214132.GP29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20060314140420.GS29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 07:52:40PM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > > The PostScript Red Book has this to say: > > > > A hexadecimal string consists of a sequence of hexadecimal > > digits (09 and either AF or af) enclosed within < and >. Each > > pair of hexadecimal digits defines one character of the > > string. White-space characters are ignored. If a hexadecimal > > string contains characters outside the allowed character set, > > a syntaxerror occurs. Hexadecimal strings are useful for > > including arbitrary binary data as literal text. > > > > So, while this is legal behaviour on the part of OOo, I would argue that it > > departs from the intent as your example uses plain text. > > > > In case you decide to implement a scanner, be aware of this: > > > > If the final digit of a given hexadecimal string is missing in > > other words, if there is an odd number of digits, the final > > digit is assumed to be 0. For example, <901fa3> is a > > 3-character string containing the characters whose hexadecimal > > codes are 90, 1f, and a3, but <901fa> is a 3-character string > > containing the characters whose hexadecimal codes are 90, 1f, > > and a0. > > > > There's no reason for OOo to escape ~ as, according to the Red Book, only > > (, ), <, >, [, ], {, }, /, and % are special. Having said that, PostScript > > uses <~ and ~> as delimiters for base 85 strings. > > Well it just appears that OOo has implemented things as 'encode > everything as hex'. It isn't just escaping ~, it is escaping > everything. I suspect it really is just a case of doing one thing for > everything rather than having a special case for ascii characters. Yes, I realize that. My point was that the designers of PostScript (at least those who wrote the Red Book) clearly intended that plain text strings be written using "(" and ")" for readability. As a programmer, I recognize that using "<" and ">" for everything is umambiguous and easier to implement. Regarding "~", I was referring to a comment by an earlier poster which said that it was special. According to the Red Book, it's only special when it follows "<". > > It could be as simple as playing with your LANG or LOCALE environment > > variables. > > I doubt it. I tend to run with LANG=C and usually no LOCALE setting. I thought as much but it was worth a try. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 15:15:30 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:15:30 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416D0BF.3040107@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4416DE12.10206@vianet.ca> Tim Writer wrote: >Chris Aitken writes: > > > >>Chris Aitken wrote: >> >> >> >>>Tim Writer wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>This change will not take affect until you reboot. But don't do that because >>>> >>>> >>>>the above sounds like there may be some confusion between what is your backup >>>> >>>> >>>>drive and what is /. Please e-mail your complete /etc/fstab (from beforeyou >>>> >>>> >>>>modified it), >>>> >>>> >>I still had the modified fstab when I rebooted this morning. I got a prompt >>to enter root password or hit Ctrl-D. I entered the root password and vi >>/etc/fstab. I modified the line... >> >>/dev/hdb1 /bckupdrv ext3 defaults 1 2 >> >> >>back to the original... >>LABEL=/ /bckupdrv ext3 defaults 1 2 >> >>However the system won't let me save fstab. I get "can't open file for >>writing" when I try to save with wq! >> >> > >When you're in maintenance mode, > I don't know what maintenance mode is but a quick google niplies it's the same as single user mode. I followed the instructions for that and it brings me to the same message: ***An error ocurred during the file system check. ***Dropping you to a shell; the system will reboot ***when you leave the shell. GIve root password for maintenance (or type Control-D to continue): I'll give the root password and hope that this time it lets me save fstab (it didn't last time). Chris > Red Hat has not yet mounted the root file >system read-only. You can fix it like this: > > # mount -n -o remount,rw / > >The above changes will not fix your problem because at this point, you no >longer have any file systems on /dev/hdb. We wiped out the partition table, >remember? Simply comment out the /bckupdrv line (insert # at the beginning of >the line) for now. > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 15:17:54 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:17:54 -0500 Subject: Kernel updates in Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <44162BFE.6060508-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <1142278914.8073.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44162BFE.6060508@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <4416DEA2.3030708@utoronto.ca> Fraser Campbell wrote: > John McGregor wrote: > >> I recently switched to Ubuntu 5.1 on my laptop (from Mandriva) and the >> kernel updates offered have me a bit confused. The auto update function >> of Ubuntu lists these three possibilities: >> >> linux-386 >> complete linux kernel on 386 >> new version 2.6.12.16.1 >> >> linux-image-2.6.12-10-386 >> linux kernel image for version 2.6.12 on 386 >> new version 2.6.12-10.28 >> >> linux-image-386 >> linux-kernel-image on 396 >> new version 2.6.12.16.1 > > Try this: > > apt-cache show linux-386 | grep ^Depends > apt-cache show linux-image-386 | grep ^Depends > apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.12-10-386 | grep ^Depends > > My guess is that linux-386 depends on linux-image-386 which depends on > linux-image-2.6.12-10-386. The chain of dependencies is to provide an > easy upgrade path for apt if you eventually upgrade to Ubuntu versions > beyond 5.10 ... at that point linux-image-386 might depend on > linux-image-2.6.16-10-386 instead of linux-image-2.6.12-10-386. > > I use amd64 on my ubuntu so my dependencies are slightly differenty. > Like someone else said you may want to install linux-686 or similar > instead ... though it's not a sure performance gain. > If you're using Debian Unstable these packages will upgrade the kernel to the most recent version. BTW, linux-386 has been dropped and there is now a linux-486 in its place. Oh, there is no question there is a performance gain over using linux-686 over linux 486 (if you have a compatible chip). We're talking about the kernel here. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 15:23:27 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:23:27 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <4416DE12.10206-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416D0BF.3040107@vianet.ca> <4416DE12.10206@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4416DFEF.2070604@vianet.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: >> Red Hat has not yet mounted the root file >> system read-only. You can fix it like this: >> >> # mount -n -o remount,rw / > OK, I typed that at the (Repair filesystem) 1 # prompt. Now I am prompted with (Repair filesystem) 2 # I don't know if I'm supposed to keep entering yur command. I don't knwo what filesystem folloowed by a number means. It would be nice if it names the partition they are referring to. >> >> The above changes will not fix your problem because at this point, >> you no >> longer have any file systems on /dev/hdb. We wiped out the partition >> table, >> remember? Simply comment out the /bckupdrv line (insert # at the >> beginning of >> the line) for now. >> >> >> > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 15:34:32 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:34:32 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <4416DE12.10206-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416D0BF.3040107@vianet.ca> <4416DE12.10206@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4416E288.6010706@vianet.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > Tim Writer wrote: > >> Chris Aitken writes: >> >> >> >>> Chris Aitken wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Tim Writer wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> This change will not take affect until you reboot. But don't do >>>>> that because >>>>> >>>>> the above sounds like there may be some confusion between what is >>>>> your backup >>>>> >>>>> drive and what is /. Please e-mail your complete /etc/fstab (from >>>>> beforeyou >>>>> >>>>> modified it), >>>>> >>>> >>> I still had the modified fstab when I rebooted this morning. I got a >>> prompt >>> to enter root password or hit Ctrl-D. I entered the root password >>> and vi >>> /etc/fstab. I modified the line... >>> >>> /dev/hdb1 /bckupdrv ext3 >>> defaults 1 2 >>> >>> >>> back to the original... >>> LABEL=/ /bckupdrv ext3 >>> defaults 1 2 >>> >>> However the system won't let me save fstab. I get "can't open file for >>> writing" when I try to save with wq! >>> >> >> >> When you're in maintenance mode, > I've downloaded/burned an FC4 Rescue Disk in case that has the "maintenance mode" to which you refer. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 15:38:55 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:38:55 -0500 Subject: X and Eye Candy In-Reply-To: References: <4415BAD8.8080803@telly.org> <4415ED99.5020302@telly.org> Message-ID: <4416E38F.6000505@telly.org> Tim Writer wrote: >>Release 0.1 doesn't support DRI >> >> > >Are you sure about that? > Just parroting the website, in answer to Hugh's question. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 15:40:35 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:40:35 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <4416DFEF.2070604-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416D0BF.3040107@vianet.ca> <4416DE12.10206@vianet.ca> <4416DFEF.2070604@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <1142350835.4416e3f3e380f@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting Chris Aitken : > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > > >> Red Hat has not yet mounted the root file > >> system read-only. You can fix it like this: > >> > >> # mount -n -o remount,rw / > > > OK, I typed that at the (Repair filesystem) 1 # prompt. Now I am > prompted with (Repair filesystem) 2 # > > I don't know if I'm supposed to keep entering yur command. I don't knwo > what filesystem folloowed by a number means. It would be nice if it > names the partition they are referring to. > > >> > >> The above changes will not fix your problem because at this point, > >> you no > >> longer have any file systems on /dev/hdb. We wiped out the partition > >> table, > >> remember? Simply comment out the /bckupdrv line (insert # at the > >> beginning of > >> the line) for now. > >> > >> > >> > > This is simply a prompt. It's asking you for a command, so, yes, go ahead and type the commands. Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 15:48:58 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:48:58 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <1142350835.4416e3f3e380f-2RFepEojUI13G5Uu0KmH2CwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416D0BF.3040107@vianet.ca> <4416DE12.10206@vianet.ca> <4416DFEF.2070604@vianet.ca> <1142350835.4416e3f3e380f@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: <4416E5EA.6050607@vianet.ca> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>OK, I typed that at the (Repair filesystem) 1 # prompt. Now I am >>prompted with (Repair filesystem) 2 # >> >>I don't know if I'm supposed to keep entering yur command. I don't knwo >>what filesystem folloowed by a number means. It would be nice if it >>names the partition they are referring to. >> >> >> >>>>The above changes will not fix your problem because at this point, >>>>you no >>>>longer have any file systems on /dev/hdb. We wiped out the partition >>>>table, >>>>remember? Simply comment out the /bckupdrv line (insert # at the >>>>beginning of >>>>the line) for now. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > >This is simply a prompt. It's asking you for a command, so, yes, go ahead and >type the commands. > > Okay, I've done that 15 times now. However, I don't think I have 15 filesystems. Chris >Tom Watts >wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > > > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 16:14:08 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:14:08 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <1142350835.4416e3f3e380f-2RFepEojUI13G5Uu0KmH2CwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416D0BF.3040107@vianet.ca> <4416DE12.10206@vianet.ca> <4416DFEF.2070604@vianet.ca> <1142350835.4416e3f3e380f@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: <4416EBD0.7030303@vianet.ca> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >This is simply a prompt. It's asking you for a command, so, yes, go ahead and >type the commands. > > OK. THis time I was able to save fstab after remarking out the line referring to hdb1. I rebooted. THe partition doesn't exist at all now. /bckupdrv is just a directory in / now. Maybe I should just delete that directory and create the partition again. Not sure how to do that but I think Chris' emails have instructions. I go through them again. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 16:23:47 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:23:47 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313224231.14998.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4416EE13.8050801@vianet.ca> Tim Writer wrote: >Are you sure about the output? This looks like the disk isn't partitioned, >although that contradicts the df output above. > >To try and solve it: > > o Unmount it > > Not necessary -- it's gone now. > o Clear the partition table > > # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb count=1 > > [root at a800 pauline]# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb count=1 1+0 records in 1+0 records out > o Install sfdisk > > Already have it: [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/sfdisk sfdisk version 3.08 (aeb-rh8NL+sEX9E at public.gmane.org, 040824) from util-linux-2.12p > o Put this in a script and execute it (the script) > > #!/bin/sh > sfdisk /dev/hdb < 0,,L > ; > ; > ; > EOF > > [root at a800 pauline]# vi diskfixscript > o Make a file system on /dev/hdb1 > > # mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1 > > Won't work. hdb1 is gone: [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1 mke2fs 1.37 (21-Mar-2005) Could not stat /dev/hdb1 --- No such file or directory The device apparently does not exist; did you specify it correctly? > o Mount it again > >If this doesn't solve the problem, there may be something wrong with your >disk. > > Obviously, because of all I've done now /dev/hdb1 does not exist. I'm hesitant to create the partition with fdisk again as I had trouble with that. I dunno about sfdisk (unless you can give me step-by-step instructions) to create the partition either -- man fdisk advises that sfdisk is only for hackers. It advises the best choise (for me) is cfdisk which I can't find: [root at a800 pauline]# find / -name cfdisk find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for /proc: this may be a bug in your filesystem driver. Automatically turning on find's -noleaf option. Earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have been searched. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 16:27:31 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:27:31 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <4416EE13.8050801-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313224231.14998.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <4416EE13.8050801@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <1142353651.4416eef3172b5@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting Chris Aitken : > Tim Writer wrote: > > > > >Are you sure about the output? This looks like the disk isn't partitioned, > >although that contradicts the df output above. > > > >To try and solve it: > > > > o Unmount it > > > > > Not necessary -- it's gone now. > > > o Clear the partition table > > > > # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb count=1 > > > > > > [root at a800 pauline]# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb count=1 > 1+0 records in > 1+0 records out > > > o Install sfdisk > > > > > Already have it: > [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/sfdisk > sfdisk version 3.08 (aeb-rh8NL+sEX9E at public.gmane.org, 040824) from util-linux-2.12p > > > o Put this in a script and execute it (the script) > > > > #!/bin/sh > > sfdisk /dev/hdb < > 0,,L > > ; > > ; > > ; > > EOF > > > > > [root at a800 pauline]# vi diskfixscript > > > o Make a file system on /dev/hdb1 > > > > # mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1 > > > > > Won't work. hdb1 is gone: > [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1 > mke2fs 1.37 (21-Mar-2005) > Could not stat /dev/hdb1 --- No such file or directory > > The device apparently does not exist; did you specify it correctly? > > > o Mount it again > > > >If this doesn't solve the problem, there may be something wrong with your > >disk. > > > > > Obviously, because of all I've done now /dev/hdb1 does not exist. I'm > hesitant to create the partition with fdisk again as I had trouble with > that. I dunno about sfdisk (unless you can give me step-by-step > instructions) to create the partition either -- man fdisk advises that > sfdisk is only for hackers. It advises the best choise (for me) is > cfdisk which I can't find: > > [root at a800 pauline]# find / -name cfdisk > find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for /proc: this may be a bug in > your filesystem driver. Automatically turning on find's -noleaf > option. Earlier results may have failed to include directories that > should have been searched. > > Chris > If I'm not mistaken, you deleted the partition on hdb, right? You can't make a filesystem without creating at least one partition. Have you tried that? Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 16:33:40 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:33:40 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <44163E14.6090700-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4416F064.7010700@vianet.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > Tim Writer wrote: Here are new answers to yesterday's questions: >> drive and what is /. Please e-mail your complete /etc/fstab > # This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details LABEL=/1 / ext3 defaults 1 1 #/dev/hdb1 /bckupdrv ext3 defaults 1 2 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 LABEL=/var /var ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda3 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom auto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 >> the output of "mount", > [root at a800 pauline]# mount /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw) none on /proc type proc (rw) none on /sys type sysfs (rw) none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) /dev/hda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw) none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) /dev/hda5 on /var type ext3 (rw) none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) sunrpc on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw) automount(pid1976) on /misc type autofs (rw,fd=4,pgrp=1976,minproto=2,maxproto=4) automount(pid2026) on /net type autofs (rw,fd=4,pgrp=2026,minproto=2,maxproto=4)[root at a800 pauline]# >> and the output of "fdisk -l". > [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/fdisk -l Disk /dev/hda: 20.5 GB, 20547841536 bytes 16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 39813 cylinders Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 203 102280+ 83 Linux /dev/hda2 204 36693 18390960 83 Linux /dev/hda3 36694 37733 524160 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/hda4 37734 39813 1048320 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hda5 37734 39813 1048288+ 83 Linux Disk /dev/hdb: 6488 MB, 6488294400 bytes 15 heads, 63 sectors/track, 13410 cylinders Units = cylinders of 945 * 512 = 483840 bytes Disk /dev/hdb doesn't contain a valid partition table [root at a800 pauline]# -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 16:33:18 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:33:18 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <4416F064.7010700-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416F064.7010700@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <1142353998.4416f04e6a81d@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting Chris Aitken : > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > Tim Writer wrote: > > Here are new answers to yesterday's questions: > > > > >> drive and what is /. Please e-mail your complete /etc/fstab > > > # This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details > LABEL=/1 / ext3 defaults 1 1 > #/dev/hdb1 /bckupdrv ext3 > defaults 1 2 > LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 > none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 > none /proc proc defaults 0 0 > none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 > LABEL=/var /var ext3 defaults 1 2 > /dev/hda3 swap swap defaults 0 0 > /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto > pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 > /dev/hdc /media/cdrom auto > pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 > > > > >> the output of "mount", > > > [root at a800 pauline]# mount > /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw) > none on /proc type proc (rw) > none on /sys type sysfs (rw) > none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) > /dev/hda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw) > none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) > /dev/hda5 on /var type ext3 (rw) > none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) > sunrpc on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw) > automount(pid1976) on /misc type autofs > (rw,fd=4,pgrp=1976,minproto=2,maxproto=4) > automount(pid2026) on /net type autofs > (rw,fd=4,pgrp=2026,minproto=2,maxproto=4)[root at a800 pauline]# > > > > >> and the output of "fdisk -l". > > > [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/fdisk -l > > Disk /dev/hda: 20.5 GB, 20547841536 bytes > 16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 39813 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/hda1 * 1 203 102280+ 83 Linux > /dev/hda2 204 36693 18390960 83 Linux > /dev/hda3 36694 37733 524160 82 Linux swap / Solaris > /dev/hda4 37734 39813 1048320 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) > /dev/hda5 37734 39813 1048288+ 83 Linux > > Disk /dev/hdb: 6488 MB, 6488294400 bytes > 15 heads, 63 sectors/track, 13410 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 945 * 512 = 483840 bytes > > Disk /dev/hdb doesn't contain a valid partition table > [root at a800 pauline]# > > I take back my last email; delete the partition table for that disk, create a new empty one, AND THEN create a new partion, then format it. Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 16:45:48 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:45:48 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <1142353651.4416eef3172b5-2RFepEojUI13G5Uu0KmH2CwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313224231.14998.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <4416EE13.8050801@vianet.ca> <1142353651.4416eef3172b5@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: <4416F33C.1060402@vianet.ca> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >Quoting Chris Aitken : > > > >>Tim Writer wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Are you sure about the output? This looks like the disk isn't partitioned, >>>although that contradicts the df output above. >>> >>>To try and solve it: >>> >>> o Unmount it >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Not necessary -- it's gone now. >> >> >> >>> o Clear the partition table >>> >>> # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb count=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>[root at a800 pauline]# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb count=1 >>1+0 records in >>1+0 records out >> >> >> >>> o Install sfdisk >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Already have it: >>[root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/sfdisk >>sfdisk version 3.08 (aeb-rh8NL+sEX9E at public.gmane.org, 040824) from util-linux-2.12p >> >> >> >>> o Put this in a script and execute it (the script) >>> >>> #!/bin/sh >>> sfdisk /dev/hdb <>> 0,,L >>> ; >>> ; >>> ; >>> EOF >>> >>> >>> >>> >>[root at a800 pauline]# vi diskfixscript >> >> >> >>> o Make a file system on /dev/hdb1 >>> >>> # mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Won't work. hdb1 is gone: >>[root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1 >>mke2fs 1.37 (21-Mar-2005) >>Could not stat /dev/hdb1 --- No such file or directory >> >>The device apparently does not exist; did you specify it correctly? >> >> >> >>> o Mount it again >>> >>>If this doesn't solve the problem, there may be something wrong with your >>>disk. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Obviously, because of all I've done now /dev/hdb1 does not exist. I'm >>hesitant to create the partition with fdisk again as I had trouble with >>that. I dunno about sfdisk (unless you can give me step-by-step >>instructions) to create the partition either -- man fdisk advises that >>sfdisk is only for hackers. It advises the best choise (for me) is >>cfdisk which I can't find: >> >>[root at a800 pauline]# find / -name cfdisk >>find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for /proc: this may be a bug in >>your filesystem driver. Automatically turning on find's -noleaf >>option. Earlier results may have failed to include directories that >>should have been searched. >> >>Chris >> >> >> > >If I'm not mistaken, you deleted the partition on hdb, right? You can't make a >filesystem without creating at least one partition. Have you tried that? > > I'm having trouble making the partition. I just created it in fdisk (yet again), used w to write to the table, rebooted and it's gone: [pauline at a800 ~]$ df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda2 18102060 7195620 9986892 42% / /dev/hda1 99043 7928 86001 9% /boot none 127808 0 127808 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda5 1031800 217588 761800 23% /var [pauline at a800 ~]$ df /dev/hdb Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on - 127808 884 126924 1% /dev [pauline at a800 ~]$ /sbin/fdisk /dev/hdb Unable to open /dev/hdb Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 16:51:27 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:51:27 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <1142353998.4416f04e6a81d-2RFepEojUI13G5Uu0KmH2CwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416F064.7010700@vianet.ca> <1142353998.4416f04e6a81d@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: <4416F48F.1030904@vianet.ca> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >I take back my last email; delete the partition table for that disk, > Okay, I did that with the Command Tim gave me: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb count=1 > create a >new empty one, > That I don't know how to do. >AND THEN create a new partion, > With fdisk again? >then format it. > > I think that it what I never did in the first place. I know how to do that in Windows (format) but not in linux (other than in a GUI partitioner like Disk Druid). Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 16:56:06 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:56:06 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <4416F48F.1030904-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416F064.7010700@vianet.ca> <1142353998.4416f04e6a81d@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416F48F.1030904@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4416F5A6.7070907@vianet.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >> > I think that it what I never did in the first place. I know how to do > that in Windows (format) but not in linux (other than in a GUI > partitioner like Disk Druid). [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/format bash: /sbin/format: No such file or directory [root at a800 pauline]# locate format gave me too much output to deal with. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 16:52:58 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:52:58 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <4416F48F.1030904-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416F064.7010700@vianet.ca> <1142353998.4416f04e6a81d@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416F48F.1030904@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <1142355178.4416f4ea3210f@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting Chris Aitken : > wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > > >I take back my last email; delete the partition table for that disk, > > > Okay, I did that with the Command Tim gave me: > > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb count=1 > > > create a > >new empty one, > > > That I don't know how to do. > > >AND THEN create a new partion, > > > With fdisk again? > > >then format it. > > > > > I think that it what I never did in the first place. I know how to do > that in Windows (format) but not in linux (other than in a GUI > partitioner like Disk Druid). > > Chris > All of these things I mention you would do in fdisk. I would even delete the partition and the partition table from fdisk, if you can. Start fdisk with the command /sbin/fdisk /dev/hdb. Use m to view your choices. Knowing that, try those steps again. Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paul-trWFDORQd8hBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 16:55:39 2006 From: paul-trWFDORQd8hBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Paul Osman) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:55:39 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <4416F5A6.7070907-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416F064.7010700@vianet.ca> <1142353998.4416f04e6a81d@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416F48F.1030904@vianet.ca> <4416F5A6.7070907@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <1142355339.9131.15.camel@kernighan.enomaly.net> On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 11:56 -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > locate format gave me too much output to deal with. You'll probably want to learn to use pipes and grep then? locate format | grep bin or something like that will cut down the output. -p -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 17:06:17 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:06:17 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <1142355178.4416f4ea3210f-2RFepEojUI13G5Uu0KmH2CwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416F064.7010700@vianet.ca> <1142353998.4416f04e6a81d@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416F48F.1030904@vianet.ca> <1142355178.4416f4ea3210f@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: <4416F809.3080704@vianet.ca> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >All of these things I mention you would do in fdisk. I would even delete the >partition and the partition table from fdisk, if you can. Start fdisk with the >command /sbin/fdisk /dev/hdb. Use m to view your choices. Knowing that, try >those steps again. > > Yeah, that's what I've been doing every time. I create with n, and save/exit with w. Where is the option to format? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paul-trWFDORQd8hBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 17:03:09 2006 From: paul-trWFDORQd8hBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Paul Osman) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:03:09 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <4416F809.3080704-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416F064.7010700@vianet.ca> <1142353998.4416f04e6a81d@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416F48F.1030904@vianet.ca> <1142355178.4416f4ea3210f@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416F809.3080704@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <1142355789.9131.18.camel@kernighan.enomaly.net> On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 12:06 -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > > >All of these things I mention you would do in fdisk. I would even delete the > >partition and the partition table from fdisk, if you can. Start fdisk with the > >command /sbin/fdisk /dev/hdb. Use m to view your choices. Knowing that, try > >those steps again. > > > > > Yeah, that's what I've been doing every time. I create with n, and > save/exit with w. Where is the option to format? > > There is no "format" program that I know of in linux. You create ext2/ext3 filesystems with the mke2fs program. (read the man page for options for creating different ext2/ext3 filesystems). Cheers, Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 17:08:26 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:08:26 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <1142355339.9131.15.camel-A7547G4d+/MIvoTVTw80Ckh/o/VBkw4H@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416F064.7010700@vianet.ca> <1142353998.4416f04e6a81d@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416F48F.1030904@vianet.ca> <4416F5A6.7070907@vianet.ca> <1142355339.9131.15.camel@kernighan.enomaly.net> Message-ID: <4416F88A.9040107@vianet.ca> Paul Osman wrote: >On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 11:56 -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > >>Chris Aitken wrote: >>locate format gave me too much output to deal with. >> >> > >You'll probably want to learn to use pipes and grep then? > >locate format | grep bin > >or something like that will cut down the output. > > Thanks. Using that command I found a /usr/bin/mformat. I don't think I'll use that a it will probably format as a Windows drive. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 17:06:57 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:06:57 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <4416F809.3080704-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416F064.7010700@vianet.ca> <1142353998.4416f04e6a81d@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416F48F.1030904@vianet.ca> <1142355178.4416f4ea3210f@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416F809.3080704@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <1142356017.4416f8311dfa1@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting Chris Aitken : > wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > > >All of these things I mention you would do in fdisk. I would even delete > the > >partition and the partition table from fdisk, if you can. Start fdisk with > the > >command /sbin/fdisk /dev/hdb. Use m to view your choices. Knowing that, > try > >those steps again. > > > > > Yeah, that's what I've been doing every time. I create with n, and > save/exit with w. Where is the option to format? > > > Whoops, my fault; you can't format in fdisk. I simply use mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1, but that's for an ext3 filesystem. If you use ext2, then use mkfs.ext2 /dev/hdb1. Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 17:16:17 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:16:17 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <1142356017.4416f8311dfa1-2RFepEojUI13G5Uu0KmH2CwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416F064.7010700@vianet.ca> <1142353998.4416f04e6a81d@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416F48F.1030904@vianet.ca> <1142355178.4416f4ea3210f@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416F809.3080704@vianet.ca> <1142356017.4416f8311dfa1@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: <4416FA61.9070405@vianet.ca> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >Whoops, my fault; you can't format in fdisk. I simply use mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1, >but that's for an ext3 filesystem. If you use ext2, then use mkfs.ext2 >/dev/hdb1. > > Okay. Still not showing, however: [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/mkfs.ext3 -j /dev/hdb1 mke2fs 1.37 (21-Mar-2005) Filesystem label= OS type: Linux Block size=4096 (log=2) Fragment size=4096 (log=2) 732960 inodes, 1464843 blocks 73242 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user First data block=0 Maximum filesystem blocks=1501560832 45 block groups 32768 blocks per group, 32768 fragments per group 16288 inodes per group Superblock backups stored on blocks: 32768, 98304, 163840, 229376, 294912, 819200, 884736 Writing inode tables: done Creating journal (8192 blocks): done Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done This filesystem will be automatically checked every 36 mounts or 180 days, whichever comes first. Use tune2fs -c or -i to override. [root at a800 pauline]# df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda2 18102060 7196836 9985676 42% / /dev/hda1 99043 7928 86001 9% /boot none 127808 0 127808 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda5 1031800 217600 761788 23% /var [root at a800 pauline]# I'll try a reboot. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paul-trWFDORQd8hBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 17:21:39 2006 From: paul-trWFDORQd8hBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Paul Osman) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:21:39 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <4416FA61.9070405-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416F064.7010700@vianet.ca> <1142353998.4416f04e6a81d@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416F48F.1030904@vianet.ca> <1142355178.4416f4ea3210f@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416F809.3080704@vianet.ca> <1142356017.4416f8311dfa1@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416FA61.9070405@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <1142356899.9131.24.camel@kernighan.enomaly.net> On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 12:16 -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Okay. Still not showing, however: > This filesystem will be automatically checked every 36 mounts or > 180 days, whichever comes first. Use tune2fs -c or -i to override. > [root at a800 pauline]# df > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda2 18102060 7196836 9985676 42% / > /dev/hda1 99043 7928 86001 9% /boot > none 127808 0 127808 0% /dev/shm > /dev/hda5 1031800 217600 761788 23% /var > [root at a800 pauline]# > > I'll try a reboot. > > Chris You need to mount the filesystem before it will show up in df. -Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 17:23:49 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:23:49 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <4416FC1A.2040405-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416F064.7010700@vianet.ca> <1142353998.4416f04e6a81d@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416F48F.1030904@vianet.ca> <1142355178.4416f4ea3210f@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416F809.3080704@vianet.ca> <1142356017.4416f8311dfa1@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416FA61.9070405@vianet.ca> <4416FC1A.2040405@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <1142357029.4416fc253e9f6@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting Chris Aitken : > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > > I'll try a reboot. > > Still nothing: > > [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/fdisk /dev/hdb > Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF > disklabel > Building a new DOS disklabel. Changes will remain in memory only, > until you decide to write them. After that, of course, the previous > content won't be recoverable. > > > The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 13410. > There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, > and could in certain setups cause problems with: > 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO) > 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs > (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK) > Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by > w(rite) > > Command (m for help): > > At this point, short of physically sitting at the computer, I'm stumped. From the looks of the output, it looks like you didn't create a partition table. Before formatting, printing the partition table in fdisk should have shown the partition if everything had been done correctly. Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 17:23:38 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:23:38 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <4416FA61.9070405-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313223339.2394.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1142289549.4415f48d8a30e@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4415F6AB.6040601@vianet.ca> <44160E62.8060303@vianet.ca> <44160F77.5020605@vianet.ca> <44161027.4030408@vianet.ca> <44163E14.6090700@vianet.ca> <4416F064.7010700@vianet.ca> <1142353998.4416f04e6a81d@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416F48F.1030904@vianet.ca> <1142355178.4416f4ea3210f@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416F809.3080704@vianet.ca> <1142356017.4416f8311dfa1@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <4416FA61.9070405@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4416FC1A.2040405@vianet.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > I'll try a reboot. Still nothing: [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/fdisk /dev/hdb Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklabel Building a new DOS disklabel. Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them. After that, of course, the previous content won't be recoverable. The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 13410. There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, and could in certain setups cause problems with: 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO) 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK) Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite) Command (m for help): -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 17:38:04 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:38:04 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313224231.14998.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4416FF7C.7040403@vianet.ca> Tim Writer wrote: All of the following went better this time: >To try and solve it: > > o Unmount it > > o Clear the partition table > > # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb count=1 > > o Install sfdisk > > o Put this in a script and execute it (the script) > > #!/bin/sh > sfdisk /dev/hdb < 0,,L > ; > ; > ; > EOF > > o Make a file system on /dev/hdb1 > > # mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1 > > However, I guess I'm not doing this propery: > o Mount it again > > [root at a800 pauline]# mount /dev/hdb1 /bckupdrv mount: mount point /bckupdrv does not exist Do I just mkdir /bckdrv then run [root at a800 pauline]# mount /dev/hdb1 /bckupdrv again? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 17:54:08 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:54:08 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <4416FF7C.7040403-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313224231.14998.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <4416FF7C.7040403@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <1142358848.441703408358b@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting Chris Aitken : > Tim Writer wrote: > > > All of the following went better this time: > > >To try and solve it: > > > > o Unmount it > > > > o Clear the partition table > > > > # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb count=1 > > > > o Install sfdisk > > > > o Put this in a script and execute it (the script) > > > > #!/bin/sh > > sfdisk /dev/hdb < > 0,,L > > ; > > ; > > ; > > EOF > > > > o Make a file system on /dev/hdb1 > > > > # mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1 > > > > > However, I guess I'm not doing this propery: > > > o Mount it again > > > > > [root at a800 pauline]# mount /dev/hdb1 /bckupdrv > mount: mount point /bckupdrv does not exist > > Do I just mkdir /bckdrv then run [root at a800 pauline]# mount /dev/hdb1 > /bckupdrv again? > > Chris > > Yes. You will probably need to specify the type using -t ext2 at the end of the command. Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 18:05:05 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:05:05 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <4416FF7C.7040403-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313224231.14998.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <4416FF7C.7040403@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <441705D1.1090707@vianet.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > > Do I just mkdir /bckdrv then run [root at a800 pauline]# mount /dev/hdb1 > /bckupdrv again? Looks like I'm OK now. Here's the latest I did: [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/fdisk /dev/hdb Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklabel Building a new DOS disklabel. Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them. After that, of course, the previous content won't be recoverable. The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 13410. There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, and could in certain setups cause problems with: 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO) 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK) Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite) Command (m for help): p Disk /dev/hdb: 6488 MB, 6488294400 bytes 15 heads, 63 sectors/track, 13410 cylinders Units = cylinders of 945 * 512 = 483840 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System Command (m for help): n Command action e extended p primary partition (1-4) p Partition number (1-4): 1 First cylinder (1-13410, default 1): Using default value 1 Last cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (1-13410, default 13410): Using default value 13410 Command (m for help): w The partition table has been altered! Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. Syncing disks. [root at a800 pauline]# /sbin/mkfs.ext3 -j /dev/hdb1 mke2fs 1.37 (21-Mar-2005) Filesystem label= OS type: Linux Block size=4096 (log=2) Fragment size=4096 (log=2) 793408 inodes, 1584048 blocks 79202 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user First data block=0 Maximum filesystem blocks=1623195648 49 block groups 32768 blocks per group, 32768 fragments per group 16192 inodes per group Superblock backups stored on blocks: 32768, 98304, 163840, 229376, 294912, 819200, 884736 Writing inode tables: done Creating journal (8192 blocks): done Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done This filesystem will be automatically checked every 21 mounts or 180 days, whichever comes first. Use tune2fs -c or -i to override. [root at a800 pauline]# mount /dev/hdb1 /bckupdrv mount: mount point /bckupdrv does not exist [root at a800 pauline]# vi /etc/fstab [root at a800 pauline]# mount /dev/hdb1 /bckupdrv mount: mount point /bckupdrv does not exist [root at a800 pauline]# mount /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw) none on /proc type proc (rw) none on /sys type sysfs (rw) none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) /dev/hda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw) none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) /dev/hda5 on /var type ext3 (rw) none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) sunrpc on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw) automount(pid1976) on /misc type autofs (rw,fd=4,pgrp=1976,minproto=2,maxproto=4) automount(pid2029) on /net type autofs (rw,fd=4,pgrp=2029,minproto=2,maxproto=4)[root at a800 pauline]# mkdir /bckupdrv [root at a800 pauline]# mount /dev/hdb1 /bckupdrv [root at a800 pauline]# chmod -r 777 /bckupdrv chmod: cannot access `777': No such file or directory [root at a800 pauline]# chmod 777 /bckupdrv [root at a800 pauline]# chmod -R 777 /bckupdrv [root at a800 pauline]# df /dev/hdb1 Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hdb1 6236560 1059388 4860364 18% /bckupdrv [root at a800 pauline]# I just did a successful backup from my other computer to this drive: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hdb1 6236560 1059388 4860364 18% /bckupdrv That looks healthier, eh? Tim and Tom (and one or two others), thanks a lot for hanging in there with me. I'm going to cut and paste the information you gave me into an email to myself. That will be my step-by-step partitioning guide. :) Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 18:57:13 2006 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:57:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: Admin: Data projector for meeting Message-ID: Tonight's speaker has requested a data projector. If anyone is able to bring one could they email me. Thanks, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net We are open 24x365 for technical support. Call us in a crisis. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 20:02:43 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:02:43 -0500 Subject: IPplan? Message-ID: <20060314200243.GA20556@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Has anyone ever used this: http://iptrack.sourceforge.net/ If so, would you care to share your experiences with it? -- Neil Watson | Gentoo Linux Network Administrator | Uptime 10 days http://watson-wilson.ca | 2.6.11.4 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ x 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 20:03:25 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:03:25 -0500 Subject: Admin: Data projector for meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1142366605.30616.254.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> I could bring one, do you still need it? On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 13:57 -0500, Robert Brockway wrote: > Tonight's speaker has requested a data projector. If anyone is able to > bring one could they email me. > > Thanks, > > Rob > -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. Director of Technology 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 519-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 20:16:37 2006 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:16:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Admin: Data projector for meeting In-Reply-To: <1142366605.30616.254.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <1142366605.30616.254.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, John Van Ostrand wrote: > I could bring one, do you still need it? Yes we do. Thanks muchly :) Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net We are open 24x365 for technical support. Call us in a crisis. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 20:38:15 2006 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:38:15 -0500 Subject: Adding Rails to old site. Message-ID: <441729B7.3090501@alteeve.com> Has anyone gotten this to work? As my first experiment in Rails, I'm adding a search feature to an existing site. Found the How Tos on wiki.rubyonrails.com Deployment: * HowToSetTheBaseURLsOfYourRailsApps I've tried both the symlink and the Apache Alias methods with no luck. Symlink gets the start-up page (You're running Rails!) but can't find anything beyond that. The Alias gets the 'Dreaded' Application can't start Error. For reference: WebBrick works fine. Files in Symlink mode. Remove #s for Alias mode. .htaccess: RewriteEngine On #Alias /program_downloads/Archive /home/ballyalley/Rails/Archive/public RewriteBase /program_downloads/Archive Alias from Virtual Host: # Alias /program_downloads/Archive "/home/ballyalley/Rails/Archive/public" # # Options ExecCGI FollowSymLinks # AllowOverride all # Allow from all # Order allow,deny # At this point I'm thinking of using ProxyPass to WebBrick, Though I suspect that would be slower... Any Help appreciated. Thanks, Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 20:50:02 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:50:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: X and Eye Candy In-Reply-To: <441605E3.6090403-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <4415BAD8.8080803@telly.org> <4415ED99.5020302@telly.org> <441605E3.6090403@telly.org> Message-ID: | From: Evan Leibovitch | If the binary drivers are freely copyable then they will be around | forever, able to work with X servers that don't change the interface. Those are big "if"s. In the case of the kernel, Linus has expressly reserved the right to change the kernel/driver interface. For video cards, some of the support is in the kernel (DRI). Even X is likely to change (after shaking off a decade of hibernation). So no, a binary video driver is not good enough. | However, you offer a hint at something here... | >Old ATI cards have open drivers that can do 3d. This is not the case for newer ATI cards nor for nVidia cards. | > | ATI makes no new money off old cards, neither does nVidia. The | proprietary edge that they must keep on current cards has a finite life. | One would hope that as the next generation of cards is available, source | for the no-longer-sold ones will be opened. This tactic has a reasonable | chance of success and is a reasonable middle ground. I have no knowledge of why the card makers withhold specs. Depending on the reason that is operative, they may release specs for old cards. Plausible reasons off the top of my head: 1) patent infringement suits might arise if opening the source makes it easier for patent holders to see that the card might be using techniques covered by patents. This sounds farfetched to me -- as an idealist, I expect that the companies pay for all patents they use already. On the other hand, I've seen this put forward more than once. 2) trade secrets 2a) trade secrets of the card maker that they wish to keep secret 2b) trade secrets of other companies that the card maker is bound by contract to keep secret 3) the card is so ugly and buggy that the card company wants nobody to see it. 4) the card "works for me" for the drivers that the company wrote. If the company releases a spec, an independently written driver will exercise the card in new ways, exposing bugs to be analyzed and dealt with, ones that did not matter if the specs were not released 5) conspiracy with Microsoft to keep FLOSS disadvantaged. This would benefit Microsoft and might consider it a favour. The card companies are very heavily dependent on Microsoft so Microsoft has tremendous leverage. + MS designs Direct X and can advantage or disadvantage a card severely in this process + MS makes X Boxes and buys a lot of video chips for them + MS makes Windows XP Media Center Edition and thus can advantage or disadvantage TV tuners. ATI's All In Wonder was heavily advantaged early in this game. + MS distributes drivers through Windows Update. This might matter. + MS certifies drivers and cards for WinXP 6) FLOSS does not appear to be critical to the success of a card so management deploys its resources other places. 7) Card makers want old cards to die so that they can sell new ones. Anything that extends the life may cannibalize sales of new cards. [additional reasons go here] Few of these reasons go away when the card becomes obsolete. Perhaps 2a. But I don't even believe 2a is a rational reason in the first place -- other card makers are surely capable of reverse engineering without driver source. I am currently very annoyed at ATI for not supporting the x1000 family on Linux, even with their proprietary driver (even though their web site implies that it does). See http://www.driverheaven.net/~pete/article5.htm My contribution to the discussion of this article is http://www.driverheaven.net/showpost.php?s=88050b62bd52cc27a0f32b66475087b9&p=815010&postcount=51 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 22:06:42 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:06:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: X and Eye Candy In-Reply-To: References: <4415BAD8.8080803@telly.org> <4415ED99.5020302@telly.org> Message-ID: | From: Tim Writer | | Evan Leibovitch writes: | | > Release 0.1 doesn't support DRI but future versions will aim at | > supporting it. | | Are you sure about that? ATI's proprietary driver requires DRI for hardware | accelerated OpenGL. Without DRI, 3D rendering is software only. In which | case, why wouldn't it (Xgl) work with any video card, assuming the system is | fast enough to provide reasonable 3D performance? As I understand it, Xgl is an X server built on top of another X server. Xgl does not provide DRI to its clients, but it uses DRI as a client of the other server. It isn't obvious to me that there is a way for Xgl to provide DRI to its client. I just don't know if the DRI from one level can be made to look like DRI at another. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 14 22:37:21 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:37:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: X and Eye Candy In-Reply-To: <20060314135652.GQ29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4415BAD8.8080803@telly.org> <20060314135652.GQ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | I guess the 7600GT will be the new cheaper option for dual link, and | 7900 will be a 2x dual link option (but expensive). | | I don't know of any cheap dual link cards either though. :) The ATI Radeon x1800 and higher have two dual link DVI interfaces. Lower models have only one. The x1300 is inexpensive and fanless. If only they had Linux support. With the nVidia 7800GTX (and probably the ATI x1800) I felt that I needed to upgrade the power supply in my stock HP computer. I don't know for sure because nVidia does't publish usable specs on power requirements (HP does provided OK specs on what they'll provide for add-in boards). Grrr. | I suspect it just warps things a bit. I can't think of any way it is | helpful. Eyecandy usually isn't. Some eye candy is nice. I remember the old days when moving a window was moving a wire frame; the window would be repainted after the new position was selected. The current way (dragging the whole window) is much nicer. 3d buttons and stuff look nicer than what we originally had. I'm even getting resigned to colour. | > - (SuSE's) Xgl apparently precludes DRI applications | > | > - (Red Hat's) aiglx seems to require the window manager to do the | > magic. Perhaps only one window manager (Metacity) will be allowed. | | No, it seems the composit extension in either design should work with | any window manager that uses that extension. Both Xgl and aiglx are | extensions to X that implement accaleration for this feature. At least | that is my understanding. SuSE decided to make a completely new x | server, while redhat decided to make it a module for X.org and should | hence support any other feature X.org does, while the Xgl option only | does whatever they have implemented so far in their X server. I don't really understand the anatomy. Somehow the Xgl folks think that aiglix is tied to Metacity. Articles that I've found useful: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2006-February/013306.html AIGLX, metacity, nvidia and Xgl Start of a recent thread by David Reverman, the originator & head of Xgl project. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xgl Useful overview. A bit questionable. For example, it lists AIGLX as a backend for Xgl. http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/newsletters/accelerated_x/index_p1.html Accelerated X flame wars! -- Maybe not I found this quite useful. Where much of my understanding comes from. http://dri.freedesktop.org/~jonsmirl/graphics.html The State of Linux Graphics Realy good overview. A bit obsolete -- dates back to the end of last summer. Written by a guy who quit the Xgl project (he was working on Xegl). http://airlied.livejournal.com/22700.html Xgl vs AIGLX - the missing bit (and a rant) Main point: current 3d drivers are crap. Improvement is not happening at a reasonable speed. Inferred point: AIGLX requires more driver work. Conclusion: Xgl is more likely to work than AIGLX (I'm not sure that I got this right.) | > I may have this wrong -- I've never tried any of these things. After reading all that stuff, I'm still not confident that I understand enough about how all this works or should work. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 00:17:11 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:17:11 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <441705D1.1090707-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313224231.14998.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <4416FF7C.7040403@vianet.ca> <441705D1.1090707@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <44175D07.8010503@utoronto.ca> As I was observing this thread I saw how confused you were about the procedure for making using of a hard disk. If I had caught sight of this earlier I would have intervened earlier. To summarize: 1) Partition the hard disk. BTW, there is a gui frontend to parted called qtparted. 2) Create filesystems in the partitions you have created in step 1. This is also known as formatting. Parted will allow you to do this. 3) Mount the filesystems. Parted (a partitionmagic like utility) is a very powerful piece of software, but it does take time to understand its commands. I once used cfdisk but it wouldn't let me make the extended partition bootable; I installed lilo in my extended partition and only fdisk allowed me at the time to make the extended partition bootable. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 00:38:12 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:38:12 -0500 Subject: /bckupdrv how big? In-Reply-To: <44175D07.8010503-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060310192520.15028.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060313224231.14998.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <4416FF7C.7040403@vianet.ca> <441705D1.1090707@vianet.ca> <44175D07.8010503@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <441761F4.3010808@vianet.ca> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > As I was observing this thread I saw how confused you were about the > procedure for making using of a hard disk. Yeah. I guess the only "problem" was that I didn't really understand the steps. I'll bet it all started by not marking /bckupdrv to be formatted when I install FC - though I'm not sure. > If I had caught sight of this earlier I would have intervened earlier. Well, I learned a lot. > > To summarize: > > 1) Partition the hard disk. BTW, there is a gui frontend to parted > called qtparted. > > 2) Create filesystems in the partitions you have created in step 1. > This is also known as formatting. Parted will allow you to do this. > > 3) Mount the filesystems. > > Parted (a partitionmagic like utility) is a very powerful piece of > software, but it does take time to understand its commands. > > I once used cfdisk but it wouldn't let me make the extended partition > bootable; I installed lilo in my extended partition and only fdisk > allowed me at the time to make the extended partition bootable. Thanks for the explanation. Chris > > Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 00:36:18 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:36:18 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <20060314140735.GU29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060309174348.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4414ABE0.4030201@vianet.ca> <20060313204303.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4416204B.6050206@rogers.com> <20060314140735.GU29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <44176182.7060508@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 08:45:47PM -0500, James Knott wrote: >> What other partitions can't be on LVM? > > The only thing can't be on LVM is the kernel and initrd files, since > once those are loaded and start executing, they can setup LVM access and > even / can be mounted from LVM. So that is the only requirement. And that means only /boot cannot be on LVM, as Fraser mentioned. A while ago, I tried moving /etc/ to an LVM partition and I couldn't boot the computer, until I restored it. However, this was done after the system was running with /etc in a non-LVM partition. I suppose it would have worked, had I installed it that way. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 04:14:23 2006 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:14:23 -0500 Subject: [OT] Selling Some Computer Stuff on E-Bay Message-ID: <44174E4F.11410.6FACFB7@pking123.sympatico.ca> I hope this is not too much of an intrusion. I will be brief. Both items below are in excellent condition in their original packaging. Linksys cable/dsl router: http://tinyurl.com/s9zyw - Apologies for the "for dummies" explanations of everything. Not everyone is an uber-geek. Brother MFC 3100C Multi-function Printer: http://tinyurl.com/nwla2 - This is not a Linux-capable printer (part of why I am selling it), but it prints, scans, copies, faxes, slices, dices, makes coffee, walks the dog ... - While not for Linux people, maybe someone can forward this on to someone who would be interested. Thanks Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 04:55:26 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 14 Mar 2006 23:55:26 -0500 Subject: X and Eye Candy In-Reply-To: References: <4415BAD8.8080803@telly.org> <4415ED99.5020302@telly.org> Message-ID: "D. Hugh Redelmeier" writes: > | From: Tim Writer > | > | Evan Leibovitch writes: > | > | > Release 0.1 doesn't support DRI but future versions will aim at > | > supporting it. > | > | Are you sure about that? ATI's proprietary driver requires DRI for hardware > | accelerated OpenGL. Without DRI, 3D rendering is software only. In which > | case, why wouldn't it (Xgl) work with any video card, assuming the system is > | fast enough to provide reasonable 3D performance? > > As I understand it, Xgl is an X server built on top of another X > server. Xgl does not provide DRI to its clients, but it uses DRI as a > client of the other server. > > It isn't obvious to me that there is a way for Xgl to provide DRI to > its client. I just don't know if the DRI from one level can be made > to look like DRI at another. Ok, I see. Xgl doesn't provide DRI services to its clients (yet) but it uses the DRI services of the underlying proprietary driver in its implementation. That makes sense to me. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 04:59:43 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 14 Mar 2006 23:59:43 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <44176182.7060508-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060309174348.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4414ABE0.4030201@vianet.ca> <20060313204303.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4416204B.6050206@rogers.com> <20060314140735.GU29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44176182.7060508@rogers.com> Message-ID: James Knott writes: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 08:45:47PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >> What other partitions can't be on LVM? > > > > The only thing can't be on LVM is the kernel and initrd files, since > > once those are loaded and start executing, they can setup LVM access and > > even / can be mounted from LVM. So that is the only requirement. > > And that means only /boot cannot be on LVM, as Fraser mentioned. A > while ago, I tried moving /etc/ to an LVM partition and I couldn't boot > the computer, until I restored it. However, this was done after the > system was running with /etc in a non-LVM partition. I suppose it would > have worked, had I installed it that way. Probably not. In general, /etc must be part of the / file system. Otherwise init (/sbin/init) won't be able to read its configuration file (/etc/inittab) until after /etc has been mounted. Since, init is responsibe for starting the init scripts which check and mount file systems, you have a chicken and egg problem. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From slackrat-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 09:10:27 2006 From: slackrat-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: 15 Mar 2006 10:10:27 +0100 Subject: DRM/MTP update Message-ID: <86pskodqf0.fsf@wanadoo.fr> Sorry I haven't time tio translate http://permanent.nouvelobs.com/multimedia/20060315.OBS0523.html -- F?licitations Slack Rat (Bill Henderson) Dit 'NON' aux brevets Logiciels http://brevets-logiciels.info/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 10:52:55 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 05:52:55 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060309174348.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4414ABE0.4030201@vianet.ca> <20060313204303.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4416204B.6050206@rogers.com> <20060314140735.GU29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44176182.7060508@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4417F207.40201@rogers.com> Tim Writer wrote: > James Knott writes: > >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 08:45:47PM -0500, James Knott wrote: >>>> What other partitions can't be on LVM? >>> The only thing can't be on LVM is the kernel and initrd files, since >>> once those are loaded and start executing, they can setup LVM access and >>> even / can be mounted from LVM. So that is the only requirement. >> And that means only /boot cannot be on LVM, as Fraser mentioned. A >> while ago, I tried moving /etc/ to an LVM partition and I couldn't boot >> the computer, until I restored it. However, this was done after the >> system was running with /etc in a non-LVM partition. I suppose it would >> have worked, had I installed it that way. > > Probably not. In general, /etc must be part of the / file system. Otherwise > init (/sbin/init) won't be able to read its configuration file (/etc/inittab) > until after /etc has been mounted. Since, init is responsibe for starting the > init scripts which check and mount file systems, you have a chicken and egg > problem. > I have a spare system here. I'll have to give it a try and see what happens. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 14:20:23 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:20:23 -0500 Subject: Organizing IPs, hostnames and DNS Message-ID: <20060315142023.GA19075@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> In previous organizations I've kept track of IPs, hostnames and DNS entries by using a single hosts file. I used a script (h2n) to convert the hosts file to DNS entries (BIND). Thus, all information was available in a single text file. For MS AD servers we had that system's DNS server simply forward all of its requests to the BIND server. Now I find myself at another organization. This network is considerably larger, with more name servers. The control of IPs, hostnames and DNS entries is somewhat loose. This is starting take its toll. How do you organize all of your DNS information in order to easily assign and track all entries? -- Neil Watson | Gentoo Linux Network Administrator | Uptime 11 days http://watson-wilson.ca | 2.6.11.4 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ x 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 15:34:23 2006 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:34:23 -0500 Subject: X and Eye Candy In-Reply-To: References: <4415BAD8.8080803@telly.org> <4415ED99.5020302@telly.org> <441605E3.6090403@telly.org> Message-ID: <20060315153423.GA19008@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 03:50:02PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I have no knowledge of why the card makers withhold specs. Depending > on the reason that is operative, they may release specs for old cards. > > Plausible reasons off the top of my head: > > 1) patent infringement suits might arise if opening the source makes > it easier for patent holders to see that the card might be using > techniques covered by patents. This sounds farfetched to me -- as > an idealist, I expect that the companies pay for all patents they > use already. On the other hand, I've seen this put forward more > than once. [ ... ] Not quite so farfetched. I'd expect them to pay for the patents that they intentionally use and any others that they notice tha obviously apply, but still be afraid that there are a few hundred or so additional patents lurking around that could be interpreted as covering the code they use just because they wrote the obvious code to solve a straight-forward problem. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 16:24:19 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:24:19 -0500 Subject: X and Eye Candy In-Reply-To: References: <4415BAD8.8080803@telly.org> <20060314135652.GQ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20060315162419.GV29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 05:37:21PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > With the nVidia 7800GTX (and probably the ATI x1800) I felt that I > needed to upgrade the power supply in my stock HP computer. I don't > know for sure because nVidia does't publish usable specs on power > requirements (HP does provided OK specs on what they'll provide for > add-in boards). Grrr. Well I run 3 HDs, 2 optical drives, 768M ram and an athlon 700 with a 6600GT on a 350W. Not sure how much more a 6800 or 7800 would take, although I would hope no more than another 30W or so. I think they recomend at least a 450W power supply when running dual cards. > Some eye candy is nice. I remember the old days when moving a window > was moving a wire frame; the window would be repainted after the new > position was selected. The current way (dragging the whole window) is > much nicer. Doesn't require 3D, just requires a blitter, which is common in all accalerated 2D cards. > 3d buttons and stuff look nicer than what we originally had. 3D looking buttons never required 3D, just decent graphics designers making pretty bitmaps. Scaling, warping, transparency, etc, is all much easier with polygons on a 3D engine. The useful eyecandy so far ahs been just fine with 2D in my opinion. Most 3D eyecandy has been annoying after the first 15 minutes wow factor is over. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 16:26:00 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:26:00 -0500 Subject: X and Eye Candy In-Reply-To: References: <4415BAD8.8080803@telly.org> <4415ED99.5020302@telly.org> <441605E3.6090403@telly.org> Message-ID: <20060315162600.GW29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 03:50:02PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > 7) Card makers want old cards to die so that they can sell new ones. > Anything that extends the life may cannibalize sales of new cards. How about: If you let me keep using your card until it dies of a hardware failure, I will keep buying your cards for my new machines and I will keep recomending your cards to people I know. Do the card makers have any idea what that rule is worth? Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 16:35:07 2006 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:35:07 -0500 Subject: Adding Rails to old site. Working! In-Reply-To: <441729B7.3090501-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <441729B7.3090501@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4418423B.7020701@alteeve.com> Lance F. Squire wrote: > > Alias from Virtual Host: > # Alias /program_downloads/Archive > "/home/ballyalley/Rails/Archive/public" > # > # Options ExecCGI FollowSymLinks > # AllowOverride all > # Allow from all > # Order allow,deny > # > Found the GettingStartedWithRails page and Still coulden't get the symlink working, Though I noticed that it had AddHandler cgi-script .cgi in it's settings. Tried the Alias with this new line and All is well!!! Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 17:00:51 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:00:51 -0500 Subject: LoneCoder: Keeping Up To Date with Unison Message-ID: <1142442051.3392.8.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> I've just posted my Linux column for this month. It contains a review of the Unison file synchronization tool. There is also a follow-up last month's Google ethics column. I encourage people to put their comments on the Linux Cafe forum and not on the TLUG list. http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder/coder_march_2006.html Ken B. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 18:37:32 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:37:32 +0000 Subject: LoneCoder: Keeping Up To Date with Unison In-Reply-To: <1142442051.3392.8.camel-sLtTAFnw5m7xXJQZHMdDwiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1142442051.3392.8.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: On 3/15/06, Ken Burtch wrote: > I've just posted my Linux column for this month. It contains a review > of the Unison file synchronization tool. There is also a > follow-up last month's Google ethics column. I encourage people to put > their comments on the Linux Cafe forum and not on the TLUG list. > > http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder/coder_march_2006.html Unison is absolutely an awesome tool... Best thing ever written in Objective CAML, for sure. I use it to: a) Backup my mail from my main mail server to a backup server. As well as various configuration that lives on both those servers b) Deploy web site updates *incrementally*. When I update my site, every page generally does get touched (which with other tools would mean copying the whole file), but most pages are only touched in minor ways. Unison saves a whack of bandwidth. Furthermore, my web pages take a circuitous path: From master directory to a "target" directory, on the master, then from that target, to my firewall box. Then from my firewall box to a machine at work. Then from that machine to the web server. Unison "just handles that." c) Synchronize Planner records between various locations. I [HEART] Unison... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 18:44:03 2006 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:44:03 -0500 Subject: For sale: MicroATX board and Celeron processor $100 OBO Message-ID: Hi all, I ordered the bundle described here: http://tinyurl.com/bkt7z I've also outfitted it with a decent (and pretty quiet) Ultra fan. I've tested the whole setup and it works great. Unfortunately the system I was planning on building with this nice equipment is currently out of my price range (due to unexpected college expense). So I'm stuck with the board, processor and fan with no drive, case, power supply or RAM. The board and processor go for $119 plus shipping and taxes (AFTER the rebate, which I'm still waiting on) on TigerDirect. I'm asking $100 cash OBO. I don't drive but I'd be willing to run the board out anywhere the TTC covers. Might as well do something while my profs are on strike. -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 19:24:48 2006 From: right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org (Amos H. Weatherill) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:24:48 -0500 Subject: [OT] Selling Some Computer Stuff on E-Bay In-Reply-To: <44174E4F.11410.6FACFB7-uuyTbqJmvjjRzhN20pBLLPQsgn7MoEWs@public.gmane.org> References: <44174E4F.11410.6FACFB7@pking123.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Paul King Sent: March 14, 2006 11:14 PM To: Sean Lake; tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: [OT] Selling Some Computer Stuff on E-Bay I hope this is not too much of an intrusion. I will be brief. Both items below are in excellent condition in their original packaging. Linksys cable/dsl router: http://tinyurl.com/s9zyw - Apologies for the "for dummies" explanations of everything. Not everyone is an uber-geek. Brother MFC 3100C Multi-function Printer: http://tinyurl.com/nwla2 - This is not a Linux-capable printer (part of why I am selling it), but it prints, scans, copies, faxes, slices, dices, makes coffee, walks the dog ... - While not for Linux people, maybe someone can forward this on to someone who would be interested. Thanks Paul King Hello, Mr. King I know someone who might be interested in the Brother MFP but I don't want to go through eBay for the transaction. (No Credit Card) My E-Mail address is : right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org Please contact me off list if you are interested. (I wanted to make sure that the message got through your spam filter. Signed. Amos H. Weatherill ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 19:31:24 2006 From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:31:24 -0500 Subject: Play Station 3 and Linux Message-ID: I seen this article about linux on PS3. I though I'd pass it on. >From http://videogames.yahoo.com/newsarticle?eid=446224&page=0 [UPDATE] The SCE president also told the crowd that the PS3 would use a 60GB 2.5" hard disc drive (HDD). A slide show during the presentation said the HDD would will be loaded with the Linux operating system versus Microsoft's Windows OS. The show also said it could be used as a "home server" and be directly connected to the Internet, and be full "upgradeable." Kutaragi also made it clear that the hard drive will be necessary to play games--Sony is telling developers to make games assuming every PS3 has a hard drive installed. "We view the Hard Drive to be mandatory for the PS3," he said. "Rather than have developers create games for the PS3 with or without the HDD, we will be asking them to develop games as though all PS3s have the HDD installed." Alas, no info on what distribution is being used Cheers, Randy -- Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world --John Lennon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 20:06:31 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:06:31 -0600 Subject: [OT] Selling Some Computer Stuff on E-Bay In-Reply-To: <44174E4F.11410.6FACFB7-uuyTbqJmvjjRzhN20pBLLPQsgn7MoEWs@public.gmane.org> References: <44174E4F.11410.6FACFB7@pking123.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <1e55af990603151206u269f9377qac2df678c32b5b3f@mail.gmail.com> On 3/14/06, Paul King wrote: > Brother MFC 3100C Multi-function Printer: http://tinyurl.com/nwla2 > - This is not a Linux-capable printer (part of why I am selling it), but it > prints, scans, copies, faxes, slices, dices, makes coffee, walks the dog > ... > - While not for Linux people, maybe someone can forward this on to someone > who would be interested. I'm interested in learning more about why this printer won't work under Linux. I've been doing some research on printing under a specific distribution[1] and the brother printers are getting rather confusing and mixed reviews. [1] http://jrandomhacker.info/Printers/PCLinuxOS_printer_research -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 20:19:31 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:19:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: For sale: MicroATX board and Celeron processor $100 OBO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Mike Newman | | I ordered the bundle described here: http://tinyurl.com/bkt7z | The board and processor go for $119 plus shipping and taxes (AFTER the | rebate, which I'm still waiting on) on TigerDirect. I'm asking $100 | cash OBO. A very reasonable price considering that (1) the taxes would have been on the pre-rebate price ($188.99) (2) you didn't add the price of the fan. Tiger Direct fine print: You must purchase a compatible heatsink and fan on the same order as the processor in order to preserve your warranty or exchange privilege. Did you purchase the fan on the same order as the MB & CPU? "Ultra" seems to be a TD house brand, so it seems likely. TD seems to have three current fans that would do. Which one are you including? http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/category/category_slc.asp?MfrId=1583&Nav=|c:493|c:795|&Sort=3&Recs=10 Do you know if the built in video is supported well by X? | I don't drive but I'd be willing to run the board out anywhere the TTC | covers. Might as well do something while my profs are on strike. (I don't have a need for this MB and CPU. I'm just trying to help.) Good luck! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 20:41:54 2006 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:41:54 -0500 Subject: Play Station 3 and Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44187C12.4040704@rogers.com> > Alas, no info on what distribution is being used You know, I've had similar wonderings. Given that the Cell processor is some crazy-ass stuff I think they might roll their own or something... maybe with a heavily modified tool chain? I hope they at least provide an awesome compiler... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 21:01:49 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:01:49 -0500 Subject: [OT] Selling Some Computer Stuff on E-Bay In-Reply-To: <1e55af990603151206u269f9377qac2df678c32b5b3f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <44174E4F.11410.6FACFB7@pking123.sympatico.ca> <1e55af990603151206u269f9377qac2df678c32b5b3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060315210149.GX29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 02:06:31PM -0600, Sy Ali wrote: > I'm interested in learning more about why this printer won't work > under Linux. I've been doing some research on printing under a > specific distribution[1] and the brother printers are getting rather > confusing and mixed reviews. > > [1] http://jrandomhacker.info/Printers/PCLinuxOS_printer_research Well my experience with Brother printers is that some claim HP laserjet such and such compatibility, but if you try and use them as such you discover the margins are different so your edges get cut off, and other stupidities. To me Brother == Junk. I have still not found out why the Brother fax at work can't just let you punch in the number and hit start and have it deal with the dial, connect, send, etc with a stack of pages in the feeder. My dad's panasonic does that just fine. The brother seems to want you to hit offhook, enter number, wait for connection, then hit start, and hope it works, or you get to do it all again. I suspect some newer brothers are doing similar things to some canon and others, making GDI printers, which are ram on a usb interface and a command interface to dump the page in ram to the drum. THey have no rendering engine or printer language at all. The driver has to render the page with fonts and all in software wasting you nice CPU and taking a lot longer to transfer to the printer too. Of course inkjets all seem to do the same thing now, but at least most of them do have a more efficient protocol for transfering the data to the printer after it is rendered in the driver. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 21:05:21 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:05:21 -0500 Subject: Play Station 3 and Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060315210521.GY29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 02:31:24PM -0500, Randy Jonasz wrote: > I seen this article about linux on PS3. I though I'd pass it on. > > >From http://videogames.yahoo.com/newsarticle?eid=446224&page=0 > > [UPDATE] The SCE president also told the crowd that the PS3 would use > a 60GB 2.5" hard disc drive (HDD). A slide show during the > presentation said the HDD would will be loaded with the Linux > operating system versus Microsoft's Windows OS. The show also said it > could be used as a "home server" and be directly connected to the > Internet, and be full "upgradeable." I don't know if there is Windows on the HD of the xbox 360, if it is just storage for whatever is in flash. Many people have certainly found the 20G drive way to small so far. 60G is at least 3x better. :) > Kutaragi also made it clear that the hard drive will be necessary to > play games--Sony is telling developers to make games assuming every > PS3 has a hard drive installed. "We view the Hard Drive to be > mandatory for the PS3," he said. "Rather than have developers create > games for the PS3 with or without the HDD, we will be asking them to > develop games as though all PS3s have the HDD installed." Oh good. Past experience has shown that anything that isn't standard on a console won't get support from developers in general. ie: segacd, 32x, lightguns, network adapters, etc, etc. Why make a game for 20% of users with add-on X if 100% of the users have the base console and can buy your game. > Alas, no info on what distribution is being used Probably their own, based on one of the more common ones. I imagine similar to their PS2 linux distribution. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 21:16:38 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:16:38 -0500 Subject: Play Station 3 and Linux In-Reply-To: <44187C12.4040704-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <44187C12.4040704@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20060315211638.GZ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 03:41:54PM -0500, Byron Sonne wrote: > >Alas, no info on what distribution is being used > > You know, I've had similar wonderings. Given that the Cell processor is > some crazy-ass stuff I think they might roll their own or something... > maybe with a heavily modified tool chain? I hope they at least provide > an awesome compiler... The Cell is a powerpc based design. The compiler will probably be gcc. Supporting the 7 coprocessor engines will probably require assembly or a library, or some other such tool. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 21:23:36 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:23:36 +0000 Subject: For sale: MicroATX board and Celeron processor $100 OBO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/15/06, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Do you know if the built in video is supported well by X? It's an S3 UniChrome. It looks like there's an active project on this... http://unichrome.sourceforge.net/ > (I don't have a need for this MB and CPU. I'm just trying to help.) Likewise, it would be moderately tempting to put this in a tiny box and hide it in with my stereo system, but I'd really rather go for something in an AMD-64. And what's more realistically a "next purchase" is a laptop... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 21:50:50 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:50:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OT] Selling Some Computer Stuff on E-Bay In-Reply-To: <20060315210149.GX29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <44174E4F.11410.6FACFB7@pking123.sympatico.ca> <1e55af990603151206u269f9377qac2df678c32b5b3f@mail.gmail.com> <20060315210149.GX29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | Well my experience with Brother printers is that some claim HP laserjet | such and such compatibility, but if you try and use them as such you | discover the margins are different so your edges get cut off, and other | stupidities. To me Brother == Junk. I often buy Brother laser printers. That in itself should be a warning -- why do I have to replace them? Let me explain. Traditionally, Brother's have separate drums and toner cartridges. The toner has been quite cheap. The drums cost more than the printers (there are sales on printers but not drums and I always buy at sales). So when the drum wears out, ditch the printer. The resulting cost per page seems to be good. I've noticed that recent Brother cartridges are more expensive. I don't know if they now include the drum. The low end Brothers often cost about $100. We have Brother HL-1435 printers for my father, my wife, and my two children (1 each -- in different households). We've "used up" two or three older models (they supported PCL). | I suspect some newer brothers are doing similar things to some canon and | others, making GDI printers, which are ram on a usb interface and a | command interface to dump the page in ram to the drum. Cheap Brothers have something GDI-like. The most recent ones that I've bought are supported by CUPS out of the box. Unfortunately the linuxprinting database isn't correct for my model (HL 1435). See the comments I added 2.5 years ago: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Brother-HL-1435 I wonder how to get this entry properly updated. I don't know if current Brothers are supported. Perhaps this is accurate (for entries other than HL-1435): http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Brother MFP devices seem to be much more problematic under Linux. I've not looked into why. My guess is that they don't present themselves as multiple distinct devices but as some sort of chimera requiring a single (custom) driver for all parts. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 22:02:40 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:02:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: For sale: MicroATX board and Celeron processor $100 OBO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Christopher Browne | On 3/15/06, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > Do you know if the built in video is supported well by X? | | It's an S3 UniChrome. | It looks like there's an active project on this... | http://unichrome.sourceforge.net/ Ah yes. The video with faux opens source support from VIA. They claim open source support but don't actually deliver -- some binary-only parts. And odd licensing of what the do deliver. The true open source driver project looks a bit understaffed. I don't know if that has caused any actual problems. They appear to be quite annoyed at Via about via's opens source initiative. More of the Linux video nightmare. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 22:12:09 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:12:09 +0000 Subject: For sale: MicroATX board and Celeron processor $100 OBO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/15/06, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Christopher Browne > > | On 3/15/06, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | > Do you know if the built in video is supported well by X? > | > | It's an S3 UniChrome. > | It looks like there's an active project on this... > | http://unichrome.sourceforge.net/ > > Ah yes. The video with faux opens source support from VIA. They > claim open source support but don't actually deliver -- some > binary-only parts. And odd licensing of what the do deliver. > > The true open source driver project looks a bit understaffed. I don't > know if that has caused any actual problems. They appear to be quite > annoyed at Via about via's opens source initiative. I think you possibly misspelled "open sores." This sounds like a pretty characteristic example of that... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 15 22:24:43 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:24:43 -0500 Subject: [OT] Selling Some Computer Stuff on E-Bay In-Reply-To: References: <44174E4F.11410.6FACFB7@pking123.sympatico.ca> <1e55af990603151206u269f9377qac2df678c32b5b3f@mail.gmail.com> <20060315210149.GX29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20060315222443.GA29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 04:50:50PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I often buy Brother laser printers. That in itself should be a > warning -- why do I have to replace them? Let me explain. My farther wears out about one epson inkjet per year. I hope that will change now that he got a xerox phaser 6300 colour laser. He tends to average 15000 to 20000 pages of printout per year as far as I can tell. He got a phaser 8400 but ended up exchanging it due to insane amounts of ink waste caused by the way it handles cleaning and power blips. The 6300 is about $1400cdn after rebates. It does postscript level 3 with an 800mhz powerpc, has network port build in, has seperate toner for each color, seperate drum, fuser, etc. 36ppm black, 26ppm color (and they are not exagerating). Yes it is 14times the cost of the cheap brother, but also much faster, can print fast even from older slower machines since it doesn't have to waste cpu time on rendering, and I suspect the toner costs a lot less. I think we finally realized that the same rules we have used for buying computer parts should be used for printers. Buy one good one, rather than a lot of crappy ones. It takes to much time to go buy a new printer everytime the cheap one fails, while the nice printer just works and is much faster. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 01:09:40 2006 From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:09:40 -0500 Subject: Play Station 3 and Linux In-Reply-To: <20060315211638.GZ29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <44187C12.4040704@rogers.com> <20060315211638.GZ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 3/15/06, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 03:41:54PM -0500, Byron Sonne wrote: > > >Alas, no info on what distribution is being used > > > > You know, I've had similar wonderings. Given that the Cell processor is > > some crazy-ass stuff I think they might roll their own or something... > > maybe with a heavily modified tool chain? I hope they at least provide > > an awesome compiler... > > The Cell is a powerpc based design. The compiler will probably be gcc. > > Supporting the 7 coprocessor engines will probably require assembly or a > library, or some other such tool. I found this bit about the sdk for PS3 One of many announcements at Sony's PlayStation Business Briefing 2006 included the fate of the final PlayStation 3 software development kits (SDK). At the event, SCE president Ken Kutaragi stated that they would be sent to developers' studios in June, earlier than many had predicted. In addition, it was also revealed that more than 15 companies are making tools and middleware for the dev kits in an effort to make developing PS3 software a much smoother process. I'm not much of a gamer but exotic hardware, assembly and C++ programing are enticing :) > > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world --John Lennon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 02:16:39 2006 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:16:39 -0500 Subject: OOPS! Re: [OT] Selling Some Computer Stuff on E-Bay In-Reply-To: <44174E4F.11410.6FACFB7-uuyTbqJmvjjRzhN20pBLLPQsgn7MoEWs@public.gmane.org> References: <44174E4F.11410.6FACFB7@pking123.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <44188437.6640.BB5614C@pking123.sympatico.ca> On 14 Mar 2006 at 23:14, Paul King spaketh these wourdes: > Linksys cable/dsl router: http://tinyurl.com/nwla2 > Brother MFC 3100C Multi-function Printer: http://tinyurl.com/s9zyw Sorry, the links got switched by mistake. They should be correct now. Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 04:17:09 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 23:17:09 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <4417F207.40201-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060309174348.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4414ABE0.4030201@vianet.ca> <20060313204303.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4416204B.6050206@rogers.com> <20060314140735.GU29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44176182.7060508@rogers.com> <4417F207.40201@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4418E6C5.2050301@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > Tim Writer wrote: >> Probably not. In general, /etc must be part of the / file system. Otherwise >> init (/sbin/init) won't be able to read its configuration file (/etc/inittab) >> until after /etc has been mounted. Since, init is responsibe for starting the >> init scripts which check and mount file systems, you have a chicken and egg >> problem. >> > > I have a spare system here. I'll have to give it a try and see what > happens. I just installed SUSE 10 again, with all but /boot on LVM partitions. It appears OK so far. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 06:19:16 2006 From: taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Tony Abou-Assaleh) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:19:16 -0400 (AST) Subject: Grep and Regular Expressions Message-ID: I would like thank TLUG for giving me the opportunity to speak on Tuesday (March 14). I don't recall enjoying giving a talk as much as I did on Tuesday. The audience was just fantastic - a lot of very good questions, and a lot of very good answers. The best audience ever! It was the first time I attended a TLUG meeting and I loved it. I encourage everyone try to attend these meetings. There are so many knowledgeable and interesting people, much to be learned, and a good company. Below are some links that are relevant to the talk for those who wish to pursue the subject further. The slides are posted on my grep page. I would welcome any question or comments regarding grep and regular expressions (and every thing else too, of course). Links: GNU grep official web site: http://www.gnu.org/software/grep/ GNU grep development information (includes a lot of interesting information about grep in general): http://www.gnu.org/software/grep/devel.html My grep page (list of grep-like tools + 2 technical reports) http://www.cosc.brocku.ca/~taa/greps.html GNU grep nightly CVS builds (includes many bug fixes since the last release, this is basically a release candidate): http://www.dal-acm.ca/~taa/grep/ GNU grep site on Savannah (bugs, patches, cvs, etc.): https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/grep/ The Open Group Base Specifications Issue 6: Regular Expressions (the official definition of basic and extended regular expressions that are used in grep): http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/basedefs/xbd_chap09.html Cheers, TAA ----------------------------------------------------- Tony Abou-Assaleh Lecturer, Computer Science Department Brock University, St. Catharines, ON, Canada, L2S 3A1 Office: MC J215 Tel: +1(905)688-5550 ext. 5243 Fax: +1(905)688-3255 Email: taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org WWW: http://www.cosc.brocku.ca/~taa/ ----------------------[THE END]---------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 08:54:34 2006 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 03:54:34 -0500 Subject: [OT] Selling Some Computer Stuff on E-Bay In-Reply-To: <20060315210149.GX29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990603151206u269f9377qac2df678c32b5b3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4418E17A.31243.185B73@pking123.sympatico.ca> On 15 Mar 2006 at 16:01, Lennart Sorensen spaketh these wourdes: > stupidities. To me Brother == Junk. I have still not found out why the > Brother fax at work can't just let you punch in the number and hit start > and have it deal with the dial, connect, send, etc with a stack of pages > in the feeder. My dad's panasonic does that just fine. The brother I've had no such problem with this one. I can put in a stack of paper, dial a number and off it goes. Also, I can send faxes from OpenOffice (Windows) as if I was sending the document to a printer. Except a dialog asks me to dial a number. Half of what I do is faxing and scanning. The printer replaing this one is yet another Brother printer -- except this one is Wi-Fi. Too bad to know you were having problems. Regards Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 11:06:59 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:06:59 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <4418E6C5.2050301-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060309174348.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4414ABE0.4030201@vianet.ca> <20060313204303.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4416204B.6050206@rogers.com> <20060314140735.GU29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44176182.7060508@rogers.com> <4417F207.40201@rogers.com> <4418E6C5.2050301@rogers.com> Message-ID: <441946D3.8070903@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > James Knott wrote: >> Tim Writer wrote: > >>> Probably not. In general, /etc must be part of the / file system. Otherwise >>> init (/sbin/init) won't be able to read its configuration file (/etc/inittab) >>> until after /etc has been mounted. Since, init is responsibe for starting the >>> init scripts which check and mount file systems, you have a chicken and egg >>> problem. >>> >> I have a spare system here. I'll have to give it a try and see what >> happens. > > I just installed SUSE 10 again, with all but /boot on LVM partitions. > It appears OK so far. One thing I've noticed, is that it's easy to increase a partition size, but not decrease. When I try to decrease a partition size, using Yast LVM in SUSE 10, it complains about editing a mounted drive. No such complaints about increasing the size of the same partition. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 12:56:49 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:56:49 -0500 Subject: [OT] Selling Some Computer Stuff on E-Bay In-Reply-To: <4418E17A.31243.185B73-uuyTbqJmvjjRzhN20pBLLPQsgn7MoEWs@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990603151206u269f9377qac2df678c32b5b3f@mail.gmail.com> <20060315210149.GX29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4418E17A.31243.185B73@pking123.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4386c5b20603160456p2a4d016awf6d8bd4656f16a45@mail.gmail.com> On 3/16/06, Paul King wrote: > On 15 Mar 2006 at 16:01, Lennart Sorensen spaketh these wourdes: > > > stupidities. To me Brother == Junk. I have still not found out why the > > Brother fax at work can't just let you punch in the number and hit start > > and have it deal with the dial, connect, send, etc with a stack of pages > > in the feeder. My dad's panasonic does that just fine. The brother > > I've had no such problem with this one. I can put in a stack of paper, dial a > number and off it goes. Also, I can send faxes from OpenOffice (Windows) as if I > was sending the document to a printer. Except a dialog asks me to dial a number. > Half of what I do is faxing and scanning. The printer replaing this one is yet > another Brother printer -- except this one is Wi-Fi. > > Too bad to know you were having problems. > > Regards > > Paul King > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 15:43:33 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:43:33 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <441946D3.8070903-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060309174348.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4414ABE0.4030201@vianet.ca> <20060313204303.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4416204B.6050206@rogers.com> <20060314140735.GU29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44176182.7060508@rogers.com> <4417F207.40201@rogers.com> <4418E6C5.2050301@rogers.com> <441946D3.8070903@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20060316154333.GB29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 06:06:59AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > One thing I've noticed, is that it's easy to increase a partition size, > but not decrease. When I try to decrease a partition size, using Yast > LVM in SUSE 10, it complains about editing a mounted drive. No such > complaints about increasing the size of the same partition. Many filesystems support on the fly expanding. Shrinking is a much much harder job, and hence not implemented for most filesystems. Of course since most people run out of space and not the other way around, working on online shrinking is not a high priority for most people especially since it is much harder to implement. After all you have to move data out of the end of the device before you can shrink it. Adding just means add more blocks and increase the free inode table size. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From josephm153-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 15:49:22 2006 From: josephm153-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Joseph) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:49:22 -0500 Subject: Double emails In-Reply-To: <441946D3.8070903-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <441946D3.8070903@rogers.com> Message-ID: <002a01c64911$32bfa550$4dab1e46@unipc> Is there anyone on this list that gets each email twice? This has been going on for about a month. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 15:49:46 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:49:46 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <20060316154333.GB29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060309174348.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4414ABE0.4030201@vianet.ca> <20060313204303.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4416204B.6050206@rogers.com> <20060314140735.GU29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44176182.7060508@rogers.com> <4417F207.40201@rogers.com> <4418E6C5.2050301@rogers.com> <441946D3.8070903@rogers.com> <20060316154333.GB29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1142524186.4419891aa2597@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting Lennart Sorensen : > On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 06:06:59AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > > One thing I've noticed, is that it's easy to increase a partition size, > > but not decrease. When I try to decrease a partition size, using Yast > > LVM in SUSE 10, it complains about editing a mounted drive. No such > > complaints about increasing the size of the same partition. > > Many filesystems support on the fly expanding. Shrinking is a much much > harder job, and hence not implemented for most filesystems. Of course > since most people run out of space and not the other way around, working > on online shrinking is not a high priority for most people especially > since it is much harder to implement. After all you have to move data > out of the end of the device before you can shrink it. Adding just > means add more blocks and increase the free inode table size. > > Len Sorensen Although I agree that growing is probably by far a more common operation, I think I need shrinking just as much since when I run out of space, I usually shrink another partition to grow the other one. I don't like the idea of leaving disk space alone, unformatted so I guess at install and change it later. I'm one who would love to see shrinking support added. Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 17:13:35 2006 From: taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Tony Abou-Assaleh) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:13:35 -0400 (AST) Subject: Double emails In-Reply-To: <002a01c64911$32bfa550$4dab1e46@unipc> References: <002a01c64911$32bfa550$4dab1e46@unipc> Message-ID: Yes. I'm not sure if all the emails are doubles though, I have a feeling that only about 1/2 of them are. Cheers, TAA ----------------------------------------------------- Tony Abou-Assaleh Lecturer, Computer Science Department Brock University, St. Catharines, ON, Canada, L2S 3A1 Office: MC J215 Tel: +1(905)688-5550 ext. 5243 Fax: +1(905)688-3255 Email: taa-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org WWW: http://www.cosc.brocku.ca/~taa/ ----------------------[THE END]---------------------- On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Joseph wrote: > Is there anyone on this list that gets each email twice? > This has been going on for about a month. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From slackrat-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 18:45:40 2006 From: slackrat-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: 16 Mar 2006 19:45:40 +0100 Subject: *** SPAM ***Double emails In-Reply-To: <002a01c64911$32bfa550$4dab1e46@unipc> References: <002a01c64911$32bfa550$4dab1e46@unipc> Message-ID: <86y7za9qjv.fsf@wanadoo.fr> "Joseph" writes: > Is there anyone on this list that gets each email twice? > This has been going on for about a month. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Wanadoo vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. > Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. > > > I'm not getting duplicate emails Are you sure you are not splitting it off twice? But just for interest, your mail gets flagged as spam by Wanadoo [HEADERS] X-From-Line: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 16:50:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from wanadoo.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wanadoo.fr (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k2GFoag6028630 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:50:36 +0100 Received: from pop.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.66] by wanadoo.fr with POP3 (fetchmail-6.3.2) for (single-drop); Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:50:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from mwinf0705.wanadoo.fr (mwinf0705.wanadoo.fr) by mwinb0808 (SMTP Server) with LMTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:49:39 +0100 X-Sieve: Server Sieve 2.2 Received: from mwinf5114.me-wanadoo.net (mwinf5114 [172.22.195.42]) by mwinf0705.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F05912C00083 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:49:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf5114.me-wanadoo.net (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DF7FD3C04DB5 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:49:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (mwinf1101 [172.22.142.23]) by mwinf5114.me-wanadoo.net (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DB4553C04DB1 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:49:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CEDD12400085 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:49:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from acheron.ss.org (dsl.ss.org [206.108.5.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A3F31240008B for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:49:38 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060316154938671.A3F31240008B-Xpti1uNxAV+ja0SmKBPtBRXaG6MH5uyT at public.gmane.org Received: by acheron.ss.org (Postfix) id 02D6A1214A1; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:49:20 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: tlug-route-mb4phVZFrfSXFJAUJl40Xg at public.gmane.org Received: by acheron.ss.org (Postfix, from userid 54) id EC3001215A9; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:49:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Delivered-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=usRRpRLSgi/4MxJXLs28F26I80hOTZ143YWLHZOWvVlMUX0GfFAXHpdmFi/BBb7wgkMpC3liB9QrLCWCAOEc7XcsRbolcze6V1DmR4Tfqp87R/az15A965XkPwQJEqUyBYBtQQoNa5ZNRf6aIS6Vpy9tCCz7UCTMzTyBeoN+nvQ= ; From: "Joseph" To: Subject: *** SPAM *** [TLUG]: Double emails Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:49:22 -0500 X-Gnus-Mail-Source: file:/var/spool/mail/slackrat Message-ID: <002a01c64911$32bfa550$4dab1e46 at unipc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <441946D3.8070903-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-Index: AcZI6c7BGNLSp8OlQBe6bhKb1C/eygAJwlAA Sender: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Precedence: list Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org X-me-spamlevel: med X-me-spamrating: 87.546303 Lines: 14 Xref: wanadoo.fr mail.spam:8 mail.gtalug:556 [END HEADERS] -- F?licitations Slack Rat (Bill Henderson) Dit 'NON' aux brevets Logiciels http://brevets-logiciels.info/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 18:55:19 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:55:19 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <1142524186.4419891aa2597-2RFepEojUI13G5Uu0KmH2CwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060313204303.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4416204B.6050206@rogers.com> <20060314140735.GU29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44176182.7060508@rogers.com> <4417F207.40201@rogers.com> <4418E6C5.2050301@rogers.com> <441946D3.8070903@rogers.com> <20060316154333.GB29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1142524186.4419891aa2597@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: <20060316185519.GC29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 10:49:46AM -0500, wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Although I agree that growing is probably by far a more common operation, I > think I need shrinking just as much since when I run out of space, I usually > shrink another partition to grow the other one. I don't like the idea of > leaving disk space alone, unformatted so I guess at install and change it > later. > > I'm one who would love to see shrinking support added. I think you will just have to put up with having to unmount the filesystem first. Or learn to have less partitions so you won't ever have the problem in the first place (I use that method). Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 19:07:38 2006 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:07:38 -0500 Subject: Play Station 3 and Linux In-Reply-To: <20060315211638.GZ29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <44187C12.4040704@rogers.com> <20060315211638.GZ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4419B77A.7060301@pobox.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 03:41:54PM -0500, Byron Sonne wrote: > >>> Alas, no info on what distribution is being used >>> >> You know, I've had similar wonderings. Given that the Cell processor is >> some crazy-ass stuff I think they might roll their own or something... >> maybe with a heavily modified tool chain? I hope they at least provide >> an awesome compiler... >> > > The Cell is a powerpc based design. The compiler will probably be gcc. > I doubt it. Here's a short write-up with links to the relevant paper (fascinating read) and related sites: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060225-6265.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 19:28:53 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:28:53 -0500 Subject: Play Station 3 and Linux In-Reply-To: <4419B77A.7060301-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <44187C12.4040704@rogers.com> <20060315211638.GZ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4419B77A.7060301@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20060316192853.GD29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 02:07:38PM -0500, Andrej Marjan wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >The Cell is a powerpc based design. The compiler will probably be gcc. > > > > I doubt it. Here's a short write-up with links to the relevant paper > (fascinating read) and related sites: > > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060225-6265.html My point is that the compiler for linux on the PS3 will likely be gcc. I would never imagine them using gcc for compiling PS3 games. It is a rather crappy compiler as far as optimizing goes. It is however what lots of open source software is designed to compile with, so it makes sense to use for compiling linux and applications. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 19:43:36 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:43:36 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <441946D3.8070903-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <440F47A2.9060101@vianet.ca> <20060309174348.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4414ABE0.4030201@vianet.ca> <20060313204303.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4416204B.6050206@rogers.com> <20060314140735.GU29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44176182.7060508@rogers.com> <4417F207.40201@rogers.com> <4418E6C5.2050301@rogers.com> <441946D3.8070903@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4419BFE8.8090001@georgetown.wehave.net> James Knott wrote: > One thing I've noticed, is that it's easy to increase a partition size, > but not decrease. When I try to decrease a partition size, using Yast > LVM in SUSE 10, it complains about editing a mounted drive. No such > complaints about increasing the size of the same partition. Yes, shrinking is harder. Opinionated statements follow :-) My opinion is that if you use LVM it makes most sense to allocate minimal space initially unless you are 100% sure of usage patterns and 100% sure that the space you are allocating is actually required. So when using LVM it is most sane to leave space unallocated and as usage patterns emerge you allocate a bit more space here and there as needed. Whether I'm installing to a 36G or a 300G array I always start with this: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/system-root 384M 139M 246M 37% / /dev/cciss/c0d0p5 132M 40M 93M 30% /boot /dev/mapper/system-local 1.0G 33M 992M 4% /local /dev/mapper/system-opt 512M 56M 457M 11% /opt /dev/mapper/system-tmp 1.0G 33M 992M 4% /tmp /dev/mapper/system-usr 1.0G 386M 639M 38% /usr /dev/mapper/system-var 1.5G 78M 1.5G 6% /var I still get a lot of people who complain that /usr is too small with the above setup, in our usage it rarely grows since we're installing non-RPM based apps into /opt, /local or other. I say /usr is 3 times as big as it needs to be. I prefer the approach of oops, we're a little low there and taking 10 seconds (not exaggerating) to increase a partitionn that oh crap we're out of space, what can I symlink to for a few more gigs? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 23:23:49 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:23:49 +0000 Subject: [OT] Selling Some Computer Stuff on E-Bay In-Reply-To: <44174E4F.11410.6FACFB7-uuyTbqJmvjjRzhN20pBLLPQsgn7MoEWs@public.gmane.org> References: <44174E4F.11410.6FACFB7@pking123.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4419F385.9040401@zen.co.uk> Try the following http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/pcfax_drivers_lpr.html Your model is listed, as linux compatable. Paul >ion Printer: http://tinyurl.com/nwla2 > - This is not a Linux-capable printer (part of why I am selling it), but it > prints, scans, copies, faxes, slices, dices, makes coffee, walks the dog > ... > - While not for Linux people, maybe someone can forward this on to someone > who would be interested. > >Thanks > >Paul King > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 23:27:42 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:27:42 +0000 Subject: [OT] Selling Some Computer Stuff on E-Bay In-Reply-To: <1e55af990603151206u269f9377qac2df678c32b5b3f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <44174E4F.11410.6FACFB7@pking123.sympatico.ca> <1e55af990603151206u269f9377qac2df678c32b5b3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4419F46E.2020306@zen.co.uk> Just to add here also, it seems it is compatable http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/pcfax_drivers_lpr.html I have a DCP310CN and it works fine, over Lan, the scanner driver only works over USB. Not tried that yet as it would involve messing with cables. Paul Sy Ali wrote: >On 3/14/06, Paul King wrote: > > > >>Brother MFC 3100C Multi-function Printer: http://tinyurl.com/nwla2 >> - This is not a Linux-capable printer (part of why I am selling it), but it >> prints, scans, copies, faxes, slices, dices, makes coffee, walks the dog >> ... >> - While not for Linux people, maybe someone can forward this on to someone >> who would be interested. >> >> > >I'm interested in learning more about why this printer won't work >under Linux. I've been doing some research on printing under a >specific distribution[1] and the brother printers are getting rather >confusing and mixed reviews. > >[1] http://jrandomhacker.info/Printers/PCLinuxOS_printer_research >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 00:07:45 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:07:45 -0500 Subject: Microsoft inspired a near-psychotic depth of loathing Message-ID: <1142554065.10380.1.camel@spot1.localhost.com> The price of Windows March 2006 The days are over when Microsoft could rely on being the only software platform in town. John Dwyer reports Microsoft has a case to answer. When Quocirca sifted through 8000 IT professionals? responses to an online questionnaire last year, the UK consultancy discovered deep unease with Microsoft?s Windows operating system. In some respondents Microsoft inspired a near-psychotic depth of loathing. Others merely recorded strong reservations about, respectively, the cost and performance penalties of Windows? insecurity, its squandering of hardware power, its instability and unreliability, and the cost of Microsoft?s licences. No wonder, then, that the Linux Open Source Software (OSS) operating system is gaining ground at Windows? expense. http://www.themanufacturer.com/britishindustry/content_page.html? article_id=559 RickT -- http://www.TorontoNUI.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 00:24:48 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:24:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: CD Duplication using Linux Message-ID: <50346.207.188.65.194.1142555088.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Faced with the necessity of duplicating multiples of 100 CD discs, my thoughts are turning to CD duplicator towers. Has anyone put together one of these? Using Linux to run it, of course. Is this a straightforward exercise of slapping the hardware into a box or are there Issues? Is it straightforward to configure? Can the operating system stream data to say, 4 writers at once? Advice or indirect address to advice much appreciated. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From josephm153-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 00:50:56 2006 From: josephm153-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Joseph) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:50:56 -0500 Subject: Double emails In-Reply-To: <86y7za9qjv.fsf-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA@public.gmane.org> References: <86y7za9qjv.fsf@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <005601c6495c$da922eb0$4dab1e46@unipc> This started about a month ago and is the only list that I am on that sends me each email twice. I checked the email I sent previously. I got it twice just like all the other emails that I got from this list. I have checked the header it doesn't have Wanadoo listed. Also the email I got is not marked as spam. -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Slack Rat Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:46 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: *** SPAM *** [TLUG]: Double emails "Joseph" writes: > Is there anyone on this list that gets each email twice? > This has been going on for about a month. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How > to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- Wanadoo vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle > par l'anti-virus mail. > Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. > > > I'm not getting duplicate emails Are you sure you are not splitting it off twice? But just for interest, your mail gets flagged as spam by Wanadoo [HEADERS] X-From-Line: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 16 16:50:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from wanadoo.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wanadoo.fr (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k2GFoag6028630 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:50:36 +0100 Received: from pop.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.66] by wanadoo.fr with POP3 (fetchmail-6.3.2) for (single-drop); Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:50:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from mwinf0705.wanadoo.fr (mwinf0705.wanadoo.fr) by mwinb0808 (SMTP Server) with LMTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:49:39 +0100 X-Sieve: Server Sieve 2.2 Received: from mwinf5114.me-wanadoo.net (mwinf5114 [172.22.195.42]) by mwinf0705.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F05912C00083 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:49:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf5114.me-wanadoo.net (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DF7FD3C04DB5 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:49:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (mwinf1101 [172.22.142.23]) by mwinf5114.me-wanadoo.net (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DB4553C04DB1 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:49:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CEDD12400085 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:49:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from acheron.ss.org (dsl.ss.org [206.108.5.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A3F31240008B for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:49:38 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060316154938671.A3F31240008B-Xpti1uNxAV+ja0SmKBPtBRXaG6MH5uyT at public.gmane.org Received: by acheron.ss.org (Postfix) id 02D6A1214A1; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:49:20 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: tlug-route-mb4phVZFrfSXFJAUJl40Xg at public.gmane.org Received: by acheron.ss.org (Postfix, from userid 54) id EC3001215A9; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:49:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Delivered-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content -Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=usRRpRLSgi/4MxJXLs28F26I80hOTZ143YWLHZOWvVlMUX0GfFAXHpdmFi/BBb7wgkMpC3liB9 QrLCWCAOEc7XcsRbolcze6V1DmR4Tfqp87R/az15A965XkPwQJEqUyBYBtQQoNa5ZNRf6aIS6Vpy 9tCCz7UCTMzTyBeoN+nvQ= ; From: "Joseph" To: Subject: *** SPAM *** [TLUG]: Double emails Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:49:22 -0500 X-Gnus-Mail-Source: file:/var/spool/mail/slackrat Message-ID: <002a01c64911$32bfa550$4dab1e46 at unipc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <441946D3.8070903-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-Index: AcZI6c7BGNLSp8OlQBe6bhKb1C/eygAJwlAA Sender: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Precedence: list Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org X-me-spamlevel: med X-me-spamrating: 87.546303 Lines: 14 Xref: wanadoo.fr mail.spam:8 mail.gtalug:556 [END HEADERS] -- F?licitations Slack Rat (Bill Henderson) Dit 'NON' aux brevets Logiciels http://brevets-logiciels.info/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 00:59:49 2006 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:59:49 -0500 Subject: CD Duplication using Linux In-Reply-To: <50346.207.188.65.194.1142555088.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50346.207.188.65.194.1142555088.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20060316195949.3870537d.tleslie@tcn.net> i have done some stuff in this, to make a custom boot CD for clients, but i have to make each one custom, so i have to do a full iso creation for each burn. 3 years ago i got a plain 1.8Ghz type machine to simultaneously burn 3 CD, tried 4 at a time, but that seemed to finally kill the bus. I'd suspect that today a typical machine could do 4 at a time. I put in a promise IE card so as to have HD's and CD spread around and not all overloading the single IDE bus. I am putting together a 3 DVD burner machine now, because i have to create the ISO's i figure 3 might be the best it get, given the machine will be baking ISO's and then also burning the DVD at the same time. The only word of wisdom i have is, my first attempt was with normal/typical cd burners (i.e. LG, sony), and to do back-2-back burning 100's, the dam things over heat and you get tonnes of issues, not to mention they have short life spans. I use only plextor stuff now, but it gets hot as hell too, but it doesnt seem to make the coasters. A tonne of fans should be employeed. With a good dual cpu board or just a normal dual core (if your baking iso's), a good set of IDE buses (i.e. add a card), a good amount of ram (store a ISO in ram?), I would guess you could burn upwards of 6 at once, if all the cd/dvd are the same, you should be able to do atleast 6 if not 8, especially if you have a pci-x pci-e IDE expansion card. Also depends on your burning speed, 3 years ago i think i was burning at maybe 16X ? now 52X is the norm. But you could always get two PCI-x/e IDE cards and the onboard and have a good transfer path to them all. -tl On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:24:48 -0500 (EST) phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Faced with the necessity of duplicating multiples of 100 CD discs, my > thoughts are turning to CD duplicator towers. Has anyone put together one > of these? Using Linux to run it, of course. > > Is this a straightforward exercise of slapping the hardware into a box or > are there Issues? Is it straightforward to configure? Can the operating > system stream data to say, 4 writers at once? > > Advice or indirect address to advice much appreciated. > > Peter > > > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > http://www.syscompdesign.com > USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > 416-465-0325 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 01:05:37 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:05:37 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <20060316154333.GB29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060309174348.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4414ABE0.4030201@vianet.ca> <20060313204303.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4416204B.6050206@rogers.com> <20060314140735.GU29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44176182.7060508@rogers.com> <4417F207.40201@rogers.com> <4418E6C5.2050301@rogers.com> <441946D3.8070903@rogers.com> <20060316154333.GB29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <441A0B61.2090502@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 06:06:59AM -0500, James Knott wrote: >> One thing I've noticed, is that it's easy to increase a partition size, >> but not decrease. When I try to decrease a partition size, using Yast >> LVM in SUSE 10, it complains about editing a mounted drive. No such >> complaints about increasing the size of the same partition. > > Many filesystems support on the fly expanding. Shrinking is a much much > harder job, and hence not implemented for most filesystems. Of course > since most people run out of space and not the other way around, working > on online shrinking is not a high priority for most people especially > since it is much harder to implement. After all you have to move data > out of the end of the device before you can shrink it. Adding just > means add more blocks and increase the free inode table size. Yes, that's what I suspected was the case. However, the point of the experiment was to verify that only /boot couldn't be on LVM. On my system, I could have fitted it into one cylinder, but I thought I'd be generous and give it two. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 01:14:20 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:14:20 -0500 Subject: Double emails In-Reply-To: References: <002a01c64911$32bfa550$4dab1e46@unipc> Message-ID: <441A0D6C.4030908@rogers.com> Tony Abou-Assaleh wrote: > Yes. I'm not sure if all the emails are doubles though, I have a feeling > that only about 1/2 of them are. Lessee now. 2 x 1/2 = 1 ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 01:18:28 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:18:28 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <20060316185519.GC29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060313204303.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4416204B.6050206@rogers.com> <20060314140735.GU29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44176182.7060508@rogers.com> <4417F207.40201@rogers.com> <4418E6C5.2050301@rogers.com> <441946D3.8070903@rogers.com> <20060316154333.GB29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1142524186.4419891aa2597@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <20060316185519.GC29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <441A0E64.10003@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 10:49:46AM -0500, wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> Although I agree that growing is probably by far a more common operation, I >> think I need shrinking just as much since when I run out of space, I usually >> shrink another partition to grow the other one. I don't like the idea of >> leaving disk space alone, unformatted so I guess at install and change it >> later. >> >> I'm one who would love to see shrinking support added. > > I think you will just have to put up with having to unmount the > filesystem first. Or learn to have less partitions so you won't ever > have the problem in the first place (I use that method). I suppose with LVM, a "partition" could be scattered all over the disk. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 04:39:43 2006 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:39:43 -0500 Subject: [OT] Selling Some Computer Stuff on E-Bay In-Reply-To: <4419F46E.2020306-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990603151206u269f9377qac2df678c32b5b3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4419F73F.14436.45564A0@pking123.sympatico.ca> Thanks. On 16 Mar 2006 at 23:27, Paul Sutton spaketh these wourdes: > Just to add here also, it seems it is compatable > http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/pcfax_drivers_lpr.html > > I have a DCP310CN and it works fine, over Lan, the scanner driver only > works over USB. Not tried that yet as it would involve messing with > cables. > Paul > > > Sy Ali wrote: > > >On 3/14/06, Paul King wrote: > > > > > > > >>Brother MFC 3100C Multi-function Printer: http://tinyurl.com/nwla2 > >> - This is not a Linux-capable printer (part of why I am selling it), but it > >> prints, scans, copies, faxes, slices, dices, makes coffee, walks the dog > >> ... > >> - While not for Linux people, maybe someone can forward this on to someone > >> who would be interested. > >> > >> > > > >I'm interested in learning more about why this printer won't work > >under Linux. I've been doing some research on printing under a > >specific distribution[1] and the brother printers are getting rather > >confusing and mixed reviews. > > > >[1] http://jrandomhacker.info/Printers/PCLinuxOS_printer_research > >-- > >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > > > > > -- > http://www.zleap.net > http://www.openoffice.org > http://www.linux.org > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version 3.1 > GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- > O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- > DI! D++ G e H! r! z? > > -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > __________ NOD32 1.1447 (20060316) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 07:52:28 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:52:28 +0200 (IST) Subject: m$ tablet pc compared to mit $100 laptop Message-ID: The chief of the world takes on a low cost laptop developed for the third world, to promote his offering. 'Get broadband' (presumably from the nearest antlers), and 'expensive software' (he sets the price). He also critiques cranking power. Perhaps m$ now has a battery division too. Such articles make me feel sick. Additionally his offering is more expensive than most available tablet pcs. http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/ptech/03/16/gates.100.laptop.reut/index.html Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 11:58:18 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 06:58:18 -0500 Subject: m$ tablet pc compared to mit $100 laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4386c5b20603170358m3c6da339rcf1b73a70f9fadd4@mail.gmail.com> Oh yes, I found this very interesting too. Reporting the "critique" of a system as if it were from an expert, rather than The Guy Who Stands To Lose The Entire Developing World Market. It's hypocritical to breathlessly report on this dude's opinion without really examining what the OLPC project is all about. Just goes to show you how the media can really be Bill's bitch. Mix one part journalistic laziness, two parts love of massive ad spending, and what do you get? Shite. Aaron. On 3/17/06, Peter wrote: > > The chief of the world takes on a low cost laptop developed for the > third world, to promote his offering. 'Get broadband' (presumably from > the nearest antlers), and 'expensive software' (he sets the price). He > also critiques cranking power. Perhaps m$ now has a battery division > too. Such articles make me feel sick. Additionally his offering is more > expensive than most available tablet pcs. > > http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/ptech/03/16/gates.100.laptop.reut/index.html > > Peter > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 11:59:54 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 06:59:54 -0500 Subject: m$ tablet pc compared to mit $100 laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <441AA4BA.8000301@rogers.com> Peter wrote: > > The chief of the world takes on a low cost laptop developed for the > third world, to promote his offering. 'Get broadband' (presumably from > the nearest antlers), and 'expensive software' (he sets the price). He > also critiques cranking power. Perhaps m$ now has a battery division > too. Such articles make me feel sick. Additionally his offering is more > expensive than most available tablet pcs. > > http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/ptech/03/16/gates.100.laptop.reut/index.html > > Peter Well, at least he was right about applications being a "big cost", if you're running Windows. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 14:17:07 2006 From: smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sheldon Mustard) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:17:07 -0500 Subject: m$ tablet pc compared to mit $100 laptop In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20603170358m3c6da339rcf1b73a70f9fadd4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20603170358m3c6da339rcf1b73a70f9fadd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <22e435080603170617m104f091eo65587c40d4927baa@mail.gmail.com> On 3/17/06, Aaron Vegh wrote: > Mix one part journalistic laziness, two parts love of massive ad > spending, and what do you get? Shite. > > Aaron. The funniest thing is that reporter seems to think MIT has designed a computer without any software, or maybe it is that damn google being innovative again: The computers lack many features found on a typical personal computer, such as a hard disk and software. SJM -- Sheldon Mustard smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org "There will be no order, only chaos." - Pi (1998) -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 16:25:05 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:25:05 +0000 Subject: Linux format Message-ID: <441AE2E1.3070208@zen.co.uk> Hi Just to let everyone know, page 103 of Linux format issue 78, April 2006, has a review of the GTALug, Paul Sutton (UK) -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 16:37:16 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:37:16 -0500 Subject: Job Posting: Web Support Specialist Message-ID: <20060317163716.GD32280@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Company: Dundee Securities Corporation Location: Toronto, Canada Job Title: Web Support Specialist Department: Network Services Reports To: Dave Chappell Prepared By: Dave Chappell Email: dchappell-ly3fll6dYds at public.gmane.org Prepared Date: March 17, 2006 Salary Range: N/A ESSENTIAL DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES * Administers production web systems. * Performs release management activities. * Liaison with the development department for internal development projects and escalation of production issues. * Provides technical consulting support to application developers and operations personnel. * Analyzes, develops, and documents standards and procedures for maintaining production web systems and web application servers, in keeping with industry best practices. * Is responsible for performance and capacity monitoring and tuning. * Prepares regular capacity analysis for management review. * Ensures work is thoroughly tested and smoothly implemented into production. * Logs problem calls and resolutions. * Communicates resolution to appropriate IS staff and system users. * Develops, documents, implementation work plans. * Position includes consulting on projects and performing other duties, as assigned. QUALIFICATIONS Education/Training/Skills * Exposure to formal change management / release management processes. * Ability to troubleshoot and logically solve problems. * Ability to establish and maintain effective working relationships with all IT staff, vendors, customers and management. * Ability to prioritize and manage multiple tasks. * Good organizational skills and attention to detail. * Maintains good understanding of current and emerging web technologies. * Understands firewall implementation in relation to internet security. * Good understanding of J2EE and ASP. * Required PERL, Shell scripting, CGI, HTML, XML, SQL. * Considerable knowledge in the operation of Linux and Microsoft operating systems. * Considerable knowledge in the operation of Apache and IIS web servers. * Possesses working knowledge of web development and web publishing tools. * Possesses understanding of the system deployment process in correlation with system development responsibilities. * Demonstrates ability to handle multiple responsibilities/assignments on an ongoing basis. * Detail oriented with the ability to work independently according to assigned priorities. * Consistently demonstrates a high level of integrity and professionalism. * University Degree or equivalent combination of education and experience. To Apply email Dave Chappell above. Mention where you found this posting. -- Neil Watson | Gentoo Linux System Administrator | Uptime 13 days http://watson-wilson.ca | 2.6.11.4 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ x 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 17:56:34 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:56:34 -0500 Subject: Another job Posting Message-ID: <1142618194.1950.133.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> We also have a position open, but for a Linux consultant: Job Type: Full Time, Permanent Location: Waterloo, ON, CANADA; Job Category: Computers, Computers-Internet, Computers-Software Company URL: http://www.netdirect.ca Posted Date: 14/03/2006 Contact Email: jobs-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Description: Net Direct Inc., a leading provider of Linux and Open Source solutions, has a full-time permanent position open for a Linux Consultant. The role has quite varied tasks. Primarily the employee will research, experiment with, document, deploy and support Linux and Open Source solutions that solve our customers' needs. Often this means integrating Linux systems with Windows workstations and servers. Software tool development is also part of the role. This involves some development of software tools to aid in administration or to add value to a customer solution. The candidate must have experience in a variety of business oriented Linux and Open Source software including: * Samba, OpenLDAP, * Email Services (SMTP, POP,) Spam filtering, * Apache, PHP, MySQL, * DNS, NFS, DHCP, * Programming in PHP, Perl, C, HTML, CSS, Javascript, Preference will be given to candidates that obtained an RHCE certification or have experience in: * Sun Solaris, AIX, X-Windows, * LTSP, Amanda, Hylafax, * RPM packaging, Cisco IOS, Java, * Asterisk, VoIP -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. Director of Technology 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 519-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 18:24:40 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:24:40 +0200 (IST) Subject: m$ tablet pc compared to mit $100 laptop In-Reply-To: <22e435080603170617m104f091eo65587c40d4927baa-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20603170358m3c6da339rcf1b73a70f9fadd4@mail.gmail.com> <22e435080603170617m104f091eo65587c40d4927baa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > The funniest thing is that reporter seems to think MIT has designed a > computer without any software, or maybe it is that damn google being > innovative again: > > The computers lack many features found on a typical personal computer, > such as a hard disk and software. In m$ lingo 'hard disk' is something between 80 and 200 GB, required to hold their bloatware, and 'software' is their own offering, since they pretend that there is nothing else. There is no mention on how they will get rid of heat in their new tablet PC. Maybe it is designed to operate while floating in a frappiere with ice hunks in it and the battery life is given in thousands of milliseconds to make it more appealing marketing-wise. So, when said by them or their sattelites, it is coherent. Sounds exactly like marketingspeak should. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 18:24:45 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:24:45 -0500 Subject: Another job Posting In-Reply-To: <1142618194.1950.133.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <1142618194.1950.133.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <4386c5b20603171024w699197cdxaf13ad9d66ea249@mail.gmail.com> That sounds like a fun job; it makes me wish I were qualified. :-) Cheers, Aaron. On 3/17/06, John Van Ostrand wrote: > We also have a position open, but for a Linux consultant: > > Job Type: Full Time, Permanent > Location: Waterloo, ON, CANADA; > Job Category: Computers, Computers-Internet, Computers-Software > Company URL: http://www.netdirect.ca > Posted Date: 14/03/2006 > Contact Email: jobs-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org > > Description: > > Net Direct Inc., a leading provider of Linux and Open Source solutions, > has a full-time permanent position open for a Linux Consultant. > > The role has quite varied tasks. Primarily the employee will research, > experiment with, document, deploy and support Linux and Open Source > solutions that solve our customers' needs. Often this means integrating > Linux systems with Windows workstations and servers. > > Software tool development is also part of the role. This involves some > development of software tools to aid in administration or to add value > to a customer solution. > > The candidate must have experience in a variety of business oriented > Linux and Open Source software including: > > * Samba, OpenLDAP, > * Email Services (SMTP, POP,) Spam filtering, > * Apache, PHP, MySQL, > * DNS, NFS, DHCP, > * Programming in PHP, Perl, C, HTML, CSS, Javascript, > > > Preference will be given to candidates that obtained an RHCE > certification or have experience in: > > * Sun Solaris, AIX, X-Windows, > * LTSP, Amanda, Hylafax, > * RPM packaging, Cisco IOS, Java, > * Asterisk, VoIP > > > -- > John Van Ostrand > Net Direct Inc. > > Director of Technology > 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 > Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 > map > john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org > Ph: 519-883-1172 > ext.5102 > Linux Solutions / IBM > Hardware > Fx: 519-883-8533 > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQBEGvhSVNQ815ieHXcRAhGrAJ0XU/n7emwsOmA1a8eQOhpZYueoWgCfQgLX > mc1CyFtbY+k2Whq5dpB2rpg= > =B1vB > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 19:58:20 2006 From: smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sheldon Mustard) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:58:20 -0500 Subject: m$ tablet pc compared to mit $100 laptop In-Reply-To: References: <4386c5b20603170358m3c6da339rcf1b73a70f9fadd4@mail.gmail.com> <22e435080603170617m104f091eo65587c40d4927baa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <22e435080603171158r3ceb551ak3f4d7317e681f2e3@mail.gmail.com> On 3/17/06, Peter wrote: > In m$ lingo 'hard disk' is something between 80 and 200 GB, required to > hold their bloatware, and 'software' is their own offering, since they > pretend that there is nothing else. There is no mention on how they will > get rid of heat in their new tablet PC. Maybe it is designed to operate > while floating in a frappiere with ice hunks in it and the battery life > is given in thousands of milliseconds to make it more appealing > marketing-wise. So, when said by them or their sattelites, it is > coherent. Sounds exactly like marketingspeak should. One would think / hope that a Reuters' journalist would not be soo clueless to think that the term software only refers to one company products ... SJM -- Sheldon Mustard smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org "There will be no order, only chaos." - Pi (1998) -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 21:51:23 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:51:23 -0500 Subject: CD Duplication using Linux In-Reply-To: <50346.207.188.65.194.1142555088.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50346.207.188.65.194.1142555088.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20060317215123.GA2284@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 07:24:48PM -0500, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Faced with the necessity of duplicating multiples of 100 CD discs, my > thoughts are turning to CD duplicator towers. Has anyone put together one > of these? Using Linux to run it, of course. > > Is this a straightforward exercise of slapping the hardware into a box or > are there Issues? Is it straightforward to configure? Can the operating > system stream data to say, 4 writers at once? > > Advice or indirect address to advice much appreciated. Well things to keep in mind: Unless your devices support disconnect, you can only run one writer per channel. So only put one writer per ide channel, and don't put other devices on the channel either. If it does support disconnect, you might be able to get away with it, but it is probably not a good idea. A DVD writer takes about 1.3MB/s * the speed it writes of sustained data transfer. Make sure your disk system can andle that. So if you have 8x drives, and run 4 drives, you will need to sustain at least 40MB/s from your filesystem, unless you do something clever. If you are writing identical disks, you might be able to do something clever to avoid having to have each writer run by a seperate program, all reading from the disk. At the same time if they are started at the same time and all write the same disk, the data is likely to be cached which will reduce the disk load too. If you had enough ram to store the image in tmpfs then it would be even less disk io load. The way the burner systems I have seen do it, is to simply transmit identical data to all the drives at once, or they have a dedicated controller with a channel to each drive that takes care of getting the data there (I have only seen that on a system with 4x CD drives, which is only 600KB/s). Things like http://www.ultera.com/c-multimaster.htm just appear as one drive, which makes it much simpler for the system, and more efficient. They also cost more. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 22:14:49 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:14:49 -0500 Subject: partitioning new installation In-Reply-To: <441A0E64.10003-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060314140735.GU29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44176182.7060508@rogers.com> <4417F207.40201@rogers.com> <4418E6C5.2050301@rogers.com> <441946D3.8070903@rogers.com> <20060316154333.GB29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1142524186.4419891aa2597@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <20060316185519.GC29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <441A0E64.10003@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20060317221449.GB2284@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 08:18:28PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > I suppose with LVM, a "partition" could be scattered all over the disk. True, but you don't need to worry about that part. You don't resize the physical volume for LVM, just only add or remove whole physical volumes. You can request that it move all current logical volumes off of a given physical volume so that you can later ask it to be removed from the volume group. The filesystem only matters when you want to resize a logical volume. Expanding can often be done on the fly. Shinking can't. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 17 22:15:57 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:15:57 -0500 Subject: Double emails In-Reply-To: <005601c6495c$da922eb0$4dab1e46@unipc> References: <86y7za9qjv.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <005601c6495c$da922eb0$4dab1e46@unipc> Message-ID: <20060317221557.GC2284@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 07:50:56PM -0500, Joseph wrote: > This started about a month ago and is the only list that I am on that sends > me each email twice. > I checked the email I sent previously. I got it twice just like all the > other emails that I got from this list. > I have checked the header it doesn't have Wanadoo listed. Also the email I > got is not marked as spam. Any chance you subscribed twice and forwarded one of the subscriptions to the other account so you get two copies that way? Do the headers say the To: is the same on both? Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 18 00:04:11 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:04:11 -0500 Subject: Double emails In-Reply-To: <20060317221557.GC2284-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <86y7za9qjv.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <005601c6495c$da922eb0$4dab1e46@unipc> <20060317221557.GC2284@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200603171904.12006.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Friday 17 March 2006 17:15, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 07:50:56PM -0500, Joseph wrote: > > This started about a month ago and is the only list that I am on that > > sends me each email twice. > > I checked the email I sent previously. I got it twice just like all the > > other emails that I got from this list. > > I have checked the header it doesn't have Wanadoo listed. Also the email > > I got is not marked as spam. > > Any chance you subscribed twice and forwarded one of the subscriptions > to the other account so you get two copies that way? > > Do the headers say the To: is the same on both? > > Len Sorensen Since I have been receiving mailings from this list, I have had the "double email" issue on numerous occasions. Sometimes for a day or two, on occasion for a couple of weeks. Sometimes for a particular sender ( it could be their mailer ) but also sometimes for the whole group. I have never been able to track down the cause on my end, so I assumed it was an error from the list server. Not that this information will help locate the problem, just to identify that you're not alone. I have decided that for me, it is an annoyance, nothing more. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 18 00:19:26 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:19:26 -0500 Subject: Double emails In-Reply-To: <200603171904.12006.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <86y7za9qjv.fsf@wanadoo.fr> <005601c6495c$da922eb0$4dab1e46@unipc> <20060317221557.GC2284@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200603171904.12006.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <20060318001926.GA7917@wp.magstar.net> On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 07:04:11PM -0500, Jason Shein wrote: > On Friday 17 March 2006 17:15, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Any chance you subscribed twice and forwarded one of the subscriptions > > to the other account so you get two copies that way? > > > > Do the headers say the To: is the same on both? > > > > Len Sorensen > > Since I have been receiving mailings from this list, I have had the "double > email" issue on numerous occasions. Sometimes for a day or two, on occasion > for a couple of weeks. Sometimes for a particular sender ( it could be their > mailer ) but also sometimes for the whole group. > > I have never been able to track down the cause on my end, so I assumed it was > an error from the list server. > > Not that this information will help locate the problem, just to identify that > you're not alone. > > I have decided that for me, it is an annoyance, nothing more. I rarely have double emails. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 18 02:10:57 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:10:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux Infrared Remote Control detectors Message-ID: <20060318021057.41338.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In the last 24 hours I got an article off to and for the Linux Journal website about the Linux Infrared remote control project. The article focuses on what is involved in building the simple serial detector shown here: http://www.lirc.org/receivers.html Now, the questions is are there folks on this list who would be interested in: - building the serial interface. - some (but not all) free parts. - some help in building the project. I have quite a number of custom DB9 to DB-25 serial cables that I can not see myself ever using, and I would be happy to see slightly used DB9 connectors and hoods re-used for Linux related projects. The other parts needed are: - IC1 ? SFH 5110-38 Infrared detector, or compatible - IC2 ? 78L05 voltage regulator - D1 ? 1N4148 diode - R1 ? 4.7 K ohm 0.25 watt carbon resistor - C1 ? 4.7 uF 16 volt electrolytic capacitor Miscellaneous: Perf. board, hookup wire, rosin core solder, flux remover With the exception of IC1 all of the above items are easily found locally and cheap (the cost of IC2, D1, R1, and C1 should total under $2). I have not found a local source for IC1, but they are available by mail (web?) order for under $2 (U.S.) each before shipping charges are added in. For one person the shipping charges would be the big stumbling block to doing this project, but if several people on this list are interested in joining together, splitting shipping charges things become much more reasonable... If there is some interest I would be happy to co-ordinate a joint mail order part buy and try to set-up a suitable joint LIRC build session. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 18 02:24:11 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:24:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux Format In-Reply-To: <441AE2E1.3070208-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <441AE2E1.3070208@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060318022411.85193.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Paul Sutton Hi > > Just to let everyone know, page 103 of Linux format > issue 78, April > 2006, has a review of the GTGTALug > > Paul Sutton (UK) Cool, I hope they have not butchered what I wrote too badly. Also, with the review I included three images: 1. Herb Richter, and Sacha Chua 2. William Park, Evan Leibovitch. Herb Richter and Sacha Chua 3. A picture of the Pho Hung restaurant at 350 Spadina Ave.. were they included? Thanks for the news. Colin McMcGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 18 05:04:03 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:04:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Open Source Metrics Message-ID: <50846.207.188.65.194.1142658243.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> An interesting review of the relative merits of open source and proprietary software development, together with some comparative metrics on defects and reliability. http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/sj/442/boulanger.pdf -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 18 08:25:18 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:25:18 +0200 (IST) Subject: m$ tablet pc compared to mit $100 laptop In-Reply-To: <22e435080603171158r3ceb551ak3f4d7317e681f2e3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20603170358m3c6da339rcf1b73a70f9fadd4@mail.gmail.com> <22e435080603170617m104f091eo65587c40d4927baa@mail.gmail.com> <22e435080603171158r3ceb551ak3f4d7317e681f2e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Mar 2006, Sheldon Mustard wrote: > One would think / hope that a Reuters' journalist would not be soo > clueless to think that the term software only refers to one company > products ... The way it works in journalism is, the writer is told to do a 1000 word article, and a 300 word article gets published. This causes truncation from 'with open source software, but no mainstream business applications like Office and Word' to 'with no software'. I do not think that the journalist was clueless. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 18 12:30:17 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:30:17 +0000 Subject: Linux Format In-Reply-To: <20060318022411.85193.qmail-57gzaD/7YRGB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060318022411.85193.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <441BFD59.5050007@zen.co.uk> Hi They have included the pic of the pho Hung restaurant and the pic of Herb and Sacha, I will try and bring a copy over with me when I come to Canada, I can always read it on the plane on the way over. Paul Colin McGregor wrote: >--- Paul Sutton > >>Hi >> >>Just to let everyone know, page 103 of Linux format >>issue 78, April >>2006, has a review of the GTGTALug >> >>Paul Sutton (UK) >> >> > >Cool, I hope they have not butchered what I wrote too >badly. Also, with the review I included three images: > >1. Herb Richter, and Sacha Chua > >2. William Park, Evan Leibovitch. Herb Richter and >Sacha Chua > >3. A picture of the Pho Hung restaurant at 350 Spadina >Ave.. > >were they included? > >Thanks for the news. > >Colin McMcGregor >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 18 14:32:18 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:32:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux Format In-Reply-To: <441BFD59.5050007-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <441BFD59.5050007@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060318143218.18589.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Paul Sutton wrote: > Hi > > They have included the pic of the pho Hung > restaurant and the pic of > Herb and Sacha, I will try and bring a copy over > with me when I come > to Canada, I can always read it on the plane on the > way over. Cool. The Linux Format people are supposed to be sending me two copies which I am looking forward to. Also Linux Format does make it to some Toronto newsstands, just a few weeks behind the UK, sigh... Colin McGregor > Paul > > Colin McGregor wrote: > > >--- Paul Sutton > > > > >>Hi > >> > >>Just to let everyone know, page 103 of Linux > format > >>issue 78, April > >>2006, has a review of the GTGTALug > >> > >>Paul Sutton (UK) > >> > >> > > > >Cool, I hope they have not butchered what I wrote > too > >badly. Also, with the review I included three > images: > > > >1. Herb Richter, and Sacha Chua > > > >2. William Park, Evan Leibovitch. Herb Richter and > >Sacha Chua > > > >3. A picture of the Pho Hung restaurant at 350 > Spadina > >Ave.. > > > >were they included? > > > >Thanks for the news. > > > >Colin McMcGregor > >-- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rfk-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 18 17:22:19 2006 From: rfk-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Robert F. Kennedy) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:22:19 -0500 Subject: Running two servers inside network In-Reply-To: <20060318143218.18589.qmail-57gzaD/7YRGB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060318143218.18589.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01fe01c64ab0$8635cc50$3702a8c0@xp64> A few weeks ago my RH9 server got infected with a virus through PHP and was doing DoS attacks on Google (a Microsoft virus perhaps) and Jason, Tim, Peter, Eric and Neil suggested that I scrap the old server and start fresh. I am just getting around to that task now. I have a new machine with CentOS installed (thanks to another TLUG member I enjoyed beer with last Tuesday night but whose name I've forgotten). This is an excellent upgrade path for someone running RH9. To test the new machine I went into my WRT54G Linksys router and changed the DMZ from 192.168.2.39 (old machine) to 192.168.2.55 (new machine). Did my testing late at night but when I set the DMZ back to the old machine it stopped working. This gave me quite a scare because by looking at logs and so on it should have been working. Zonked I went to sleep and when I got up this morning it just started working again around 11:30AM. I have no idea why it stopped working for about ten hours but I am looking for advice on how I can switch back and forth without encountering this problem. Thanks for any advice, Robert -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 18 19:31:38 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:31:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Running two servers inside network In-Reply-To: <01fe01c64ab0$8635cc50$3702a8c0@xp64> References: <20060318143218.18589.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <01fe01c64ab0$8635cc50$3702a8c0@xp64> Message-ID: <33997.192.168.0.234.1142710298.squirrel@webmail.office.netdirect.ca> > A few weeks ago my RH9 server got infected with a virus through PHP and > was > doing DoS attacks on Google (a Microsoft virus perhaps) and Jason, Tim, > Peter, Eric and Neil suggested that I scrap the old server and start > fresh. > I am just getting around to that task now. I have a new machine with > CentOS > installed (thanks to another TLUG member I enjoyed beer with last Tuesday > night but whose name I've forgotten). This is an excellent upgrade path > for > someone running RH9. > > To test the new machine I went into my WRT54G Linksys router and changed > the > DMZ from 192.168.2.39 (old machine) to 192.168.2.55 (new machine). Did my > testing late at night but when I set the DMZ back to the old machine it > stopped working. This gave me quite a scare because by looking at logs > and > so on it should have been working. Zonked I went to sleep and when I got > up > this morning it just started working again around 11:30AM. I have no idea > why it stopped working for about ten hours but I am looking for advice on > how I can switch back and forth without encountering this problem. It sounds like a Linksys problem. I don't recommend using the DMZ option if you don't have to, this may have helped the hackers on your old system. I recommend that you only open the ports that you need to. Depending on your firmware, this can be done in Applications and Gaming. Instead of changing the firewall to point to a new IP address you can swap the addresses on the servers. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 18 20:37:22 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:37:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: CD Duplication using Linux In-Reply-To: <20060316195949.3870537d.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <50346.207.188.65.194.1142555088.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20060316195949.3870537d.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: | From: ted leslie | The only word of wisdom i have is, | my first attempt was with normal/typical cd burners (i.e. LG, sony), | and to do back-2-back burning 100's, the dam things over heat and you get tonnes of issues, | not to mention they have short life spans. | | I use only plextor stuff now, but it gets hot as hell too, but it doesnt seem to make the coasters. | A tonne of fans should be employeed. As I understand it, Plextor doesn't make drive mechanisms. At one point, I think that the did make some parts of the electronics. In some cases, only the firmware is different http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?s=61fc9f75de893e18442390b3bfe36b61&t=157393 In any case, I would expect that current Plextor drives would mechanically survive about the same length of time as the other drives with the same mechanism. Since Plextor drives are usually much more expensive, I'd skip them if your issue is just phyical lifetime. The CD and DVD burning world seems to by full of superstition. Which brands & manufacturer of media are good for which drives (at which firmware rev) seems to be unclear. And this seems to matter -- coasters are still common. Not to mention questions about the lifetime of the resulting disks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 18 21:41:57 2006 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:41:57 -0500 Subject: USB stick partition problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <441C7EA5.3070707@interlog.com> bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > I've got a PNY 1GB USB 2.0 stick. When I first bought it, I was able > to properly create 2 partitions and install a live distro on it (one > partition around 700MB, the other around 277MB). Everything worked > great. Which model of PNY stick are you using? I have a couple of 512Meg Attache and I am unable to change it to a Linux formatted device. It just throws up lots of device errors. The FAQ at the PNY web site says the device can not be partitioned. I found that odd since its the first of three different brands of USB sticks that I haven't been able to format for Linux. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 18 21:54:59 2006 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:54:59 -0500 Subject: CD Duplication using Linux In-Reply-To: References: <50346.207.188.65.194.1142555088.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20060316195949.3870537d.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <20060318165459.275b692b.tleslie@tcn.net> Even if they are the same electronics (and keep in mind the GL/sony to Plextor experiment was 3+ years ago) The mounting of internats, and transfer of heat to the outer case would be a huge impact regardless of what internals you use. That reminds me too, in distributing 1000's of cd/dvd over the year, for our customers linux/boot(cd/dvd) uses, we always bought the most expensive cd/dvd's at future shop (etc) for use, not going with the cheapest stuff. We found still , say with a maxell pro, that the odd person reader at the other end had a problem reading from one , we'd send out another, same issue, burn it on a TDK and it would be fine. So now we just use Taiyo Yuden 4.7GB DVD's (pro grade) [see tigerdircet.ca], and so far they appear faultless. Of course they are 1$ ea. in qty of 100, which is still a good bit more then other brands at qty 100. some times more then double. The extra cost is a bargin, when compared with the tech support involved with a bum cd/dvd. -tl On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:37:22 -0500 (EST) "D. Hugh Redelmeier" wrote: > | From: ted leslie > > | The only word of wisdom i have is, > | my first attempt was with normal/typical cd burners (i.e. LG, sony), > | and to do back-2-back burning 100's, the dam things over heat and you get tonnes of issues, > | not to mention they have short life spans. > | > | I use only plextor stuff now, but it gets hot as hell too, but it doesnt seem to make the coasters. > | A tonne of fans should be employeed. > > As I understand it, Plextor doesn't make drive mechanisms. At one > point, I think that the did make some parts of the electronics. In > some cases, only the firmware is different > http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?s=61fc9f75de893e18442390b3bfe36b61&t=157393 > > In any case, I would expect that current Plextor drives would > mechanically survive about the same length of time as the other drives > with the same mechanism. > > Since Plextor drives are usually much more expensive, I'd skip them if > your issue is just phyical lifetime. > > The CD and DVD burning world seems to by full of superstition. Which > brands & manufacturer of media are good for which drives (at which firmware rev) > seems to be unclear. And this seems to matter -- coasters are still > common. Not to mention questions about the lifetime of the resulting > disks. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 19 02:15:35 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:15:35 -0500 Subject: Postal code table? Message-ID: <441CBEC7.3000003@telly.org> Hi all, I'm wondering if there exists a freely-available file that contains a listing of postal codes that maps to addresses and lat/long I know there are companies that sell this, and I'm told that the post office gets thousands of $$ for the "official" one. But I'm wondering if such a project exists out in the open, so to speak. My preference would be a CSV file with postalcode,city,street,lat,long The purpose is for integrating this into the Drupal "location" module, which includes US zipcode lookups but nothing for Canada. Any pointers are appreciated. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 19 02:45:54 2006 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:45:54 -0500 Subject: Postal code table? In-Reply-To: <441CBEC7.3000003-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <441CBEC7.3000003@telly.org> Message-ID: <200603182145.54846.softquake@gmail.com> On Saturday 18 March 2006 21:15, Evan Leibovitch wrote: Here they have it: http://www.zipinfo.com/search/zipcode.htm I would be able to write a script for downloading all these data in 5 minutes. However, it is not obvious if that is allowed... They sell the data as well... zb. > Hi all, > > I'm wondering if there exists a freely-available file that contains a > listing of postal codes that maps to addresses and lat/long > > I know there are companies that sell this, and I'm told that the post > office gets thousands of $$ for the "official" one. But I'm wondering if > such a project exists out in the open, so to speak. > > My preference would be a CSV file with > > postalcode,city,street,lat,long > > The purpose is for integrating this into the Drupal "location" module, > which includes US zipcode lookups but nothing for Canada. > > Any pointers are appreciated. > > - Evan > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 19 03:13:07 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:13:07 -0500 Subject: Postal code table? In-Reply-To: <200603182145.54846.softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <441CBEC7.3000003@telly.org> <200603182145.54846.softquake@gmail.com> Message-ID: <441CCC43.6080807@telly.org> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >On Saturday 18 March 2006 21:15, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > >Here they have it: > > http://www.zipinfo.com/search/zipcode.htm > >I would be able to write a script for downloading all these data in 5 minutes. >However, it is not obvious if that is allowed... They sell the data as >well... > > Thanks for the link. Their Canadian postal code page is at http://www.zipinfo.com/products/zc/zc.htm and they only charge $40US for a one-time download. Not very expensive. Still, it would be nice if someone had a freely-available version such as the one available for the US zipcodes. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 19 04:39:39 2006 From: pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul DiRezze) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:39:39 -0500 Subject: Postal code table? In-Reply-To: <441CCC43.6080807-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <441CBEC7.3000003@telly.org> <200603182145.54846.softquake@gmail.com> <441CCC43.6080807@telly.org> Message-ID: <441CE08B.1050203@rogers.com> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Still, it would be nice if someone had a freely-available version such > as the one available for the US zipcodes. > There is no free postal code - Lat / Lon list. All commercial products are derived the "Postal Code Conversion File" from Statistics Canada. It's updated every six months or so as code are added/retired. Try the following link: http://www.statcan.ca/index.html?catno=92F0153G&CHROPG=1 - (the site was down for the weekend so I couldn't verify this link) You can also get it from: http://www.environicsanalytics.ca/geodemographic.php (scroll down to the bottom) FYI - In urban areas, a postal code represents a block face on one side of a street and is therefore suitable for "quick and dirty" geo-coding at a household level. But in rural areas a single postal code can cover an entire town. A standard rule is: if the second digit of the postal code is "0" (zero), it's not much good for geocoding. Hope this helps. paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rfk-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 19 09:30:25 2006 From: rfk-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Robert F. Kennedy) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 04:30:25 -0500 Subject: Running two servers inside network In-Reply-To: <33997.192.168.0.234.1142710298.squirrel-2RFepEojUI3iLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <33997.192.168.0.234.1142710298.squirrel@webmail.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <023d01c64b37$c0afd0b0$3702a8c0@xp64> Hi John, That is a good idea, I'll change the IP instead. The reason I've used DMZ is that I don't know which ports are required for the various services. Is there a way of finding out? I'm running Apache, Postfix, Mailman, Mambo (PHP, MySQL), and DNS. Thanks, Robert Toronto -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Sent: March 18, 2006 2:32 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Running two servers inside network > A few weeks ago my RH9 server got infected with a virus through PHP > and was doing DoS attacks on Google (a Microsoft virus perhaps) and > Jason, Tim, Peter, Eric and Neil suggested that I scrap the old server > and start fresh. > I am just getting around to that task now. I have a new machine with > CentOS installed (thanks to another TLUG member I enjoyed beer with > last Tuesday night but whose name I've forgotten). This is an > excellent upgrade path for someone running RH9. > > To test the new machine I went into my WRT54G Linksys router and > changed the DMZ from 192.168.2.39 (old machine) to 192.168.2.55 (new > machine). Did my testing late at night but when I set the DMZ back to > the old machine it stopped working. This gave me quite a scare > because by looking at logs and so on it should have been working. > Zonked I went to sleep and when I got up this morning it just started > working again around 11:30AM. I have no idea why it stopped working > for about ten hours but I am looking for advice on how I can switch > back and forth without encountering this problem. It sounds like a Linksys problem. I don't recommend using the DMZ option if you don't have to, this may have helped the hackers on your old system. I recommend that you only open the ports that you need to. Depending on your firmware, this can be done in Applications and Gaming. Instead of changing the firewall to point to a new IP address you can swap the addresses on the servers. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 19 09:36:52 2006 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 04:36:52 -0500 Subject: USB stick partition problems In-Reply-To: <441C7EA5.3070707-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <441C7EA5.3070707@interlog.com> Message-ID: On 3/18/06, Kevin Cozens wrote: > > bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > I've got a PNY 1GB USB 2.0 stick. When I first bought it, I was able > > to properly create 2 partitions and install a live distro on it (one > > partition around 700MB, the other around 277MB). Everything worked > > great. > > Which model of PNY stick are you using? I have a couple of 512Meg Attache > and > I am unable to change it to a Linux formatted device. It just throws up > lots > of device errors. The FAQ at the PNY web site says the device can not be > partitioned. I found that odd since its the first of three different > brands of > USB sticks that I haven't been able to format for Linux. > > -- > Cheers! > > Kevin. > That *is* odd... I have the Attache 1GB model, and as I mentioned, I partitioned it fine at first, then deleted the partitions and re-formatted in windows (bad), but now thanks to Lennart's advice, I was able to create partitions again that work in Linux (using cfdisk). The device errors sound a little scary. What are the messages? -Steve. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 19 14:59:38 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:59:38 -0500 Subject: Running two servers inside network In-Reply-To: <023d01c64b37$c0afd0b0$3702a8c0@xp64> References: <33997.192.168.0.234.1142710298.squirrel@webmail.office.netdirect.ca> <023d01c64b37$c0afd0b0$3702a8c0@xp64> Message-ID: <20060319145938.GA6211@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 04:30:25AM -0500, Robert F. Kennedy wrote: >That is a good idea, I'll change the IP instead. The reason I've used DMZ is >that I don't know which ports are required for the various services. Is >there a way of finding out? I'm running Apache, Postfix, Mailman, Mambo >(PHP, MySQL), and DNS. Take a look at /etc/services -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 19 16:48:07 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:48:07 -0500 Subject: Remote use of XDMCP Message-ID: <441D8B47.1020603@rogers.com> I currently have XDMCP running well on my local network, in that computers on my home network can use it to access other computers. However, when I try to connect via WiFi & VPN, one computer that works well on the local lan, cannot connect. I've used ethereal to see what's happening. In the list below, the letters A & B indicate the source of the packets. "A" (10.x.x.x address) is a notebood connected via WiFi & VPN and "B" (192.168.x.x) is my main desktop system. Both systems are SUSE 10.0. Ethereal, running on both the notebook and desktop shows the following. A XDMCD Query B XDMCP Willing A XDMCP Request B XDMCP Accept A XDMCP Manage (repeats 7 times) B XDMCP Failed. So, it's obvious the two systems are communicating, but unable to run an X session. Is there something that prevents a routed connection from working? Perhaps an address range issue? Other ideas? tnx jk -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 19 18:05:25 2006 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:05:25 -0500 Subject: Remote use of XDMCP In-Reply-To: <441D8B47.1020603-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <441D8B47.1020603@rogers.com> Message-ID: <002001c64b7f$b6111360$0405a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> It depends.. If you have NAT between the wifi and the lan then yes you do have an issue. Your NAT device must "understand" XDMCP in order for this to work. If it does not You have 2 alternatives; Tunnel X through SSH or disable NAT between the networks. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of James > Knott > Sent: March 19, 2006 11:48 AM > To: tlug > Subject: [TLUG]: Remote use of XDMCP > > I currently have XDMCP running well on my local network, in that > computers on my home network can use it to access other computers. > However, when I try to connect via WiFi & VPN, one computer that works > well on the local lan, cannot connect. I've used ethereal to see what's > happening. In the list below, the letters A & B indicate the source of > the packets. "A" (10.x.x.x address) is a notebood connected via WiFi & > VPN and "B" (192.168.x.x) is my main desktop system. Both systems are > SUSE 10.0. Ethereal, running on both the notebook and desktop shows the > following. > > A XDMCD Query > B XDMCP Willing > A XDMCP Request > B XDMCP Accept > A XDMCP Manage (repeats 7 times) > B XDMCP Failed. > > So, it's obvious the two systems are communicating, but unable to run an > X session. Is there something that prevents a routed connection from > working? Perhaps an address range issue? Other ideas? > > tnx jk > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 19 18:06:17 2006 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:06:17 -0500 Subject: Running two servers inside network In-Reply-To: <023d01c64b37$c0afd0b0$3702a8c0@xp64> References: <023d01c64b37$c0afd0b0$3702a8c0@xp64> Message-ID: <002401c64b7f$d223a900$0405a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> netstat -an > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Robert F. > Kennedy > Sent: March 19, 2006 4:30 AM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Running two servers inside network > > Hi John, > > That is a good idea, I'll change the IP instead. The reason I've used DMZ > is > that I don't know which ports are required for the various services. Is > there a way of finding out? I'm running Apache, Postfix, Mailman, Mambo > (PHP, MySQL), and DNS. > > Thanks, > Robert > > > Toronto > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of > john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org > Sent: March 18, 2006 2:32 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Running two servers inside network > > > A few weeks ago my RH9 server got infected with a virus through PHP > > and was doing DoS attacks on Google (a Microsoft virus perhaps) and > > Jason, Tim, Peter, Eric and Neil suggested that I scrap the old server > > and start fresh. > > I am just getting around to that task now. I have a new machine with > > CentOS installed (thanks to another TLUG member I enjoyed beer with > > last Tuesday night but whose name I've forgotten). This is an > > excellent upgrade path for someone running RH9. > > > > To test the new machine I went into my WRT54G Linksys router and > > changed the DMZ from 192.168.2.39 (old machine) to 192.168.2.55 (new > > machine). Did my testing late at night but when I set the DMZ back to > > the old machine it stopped working. This gave me quite a scare > > because by looking at logs and so on it should have been working. > > Zonked I went to sleep and when I got up this morning it just started > > working again around 11:30AM. I have no idea why it stopped working > > for about ten hours but I am looking for advice on how I can switch > > back and forth without encountering this problem. > > It sounds like a Linksys problem. I don't recommend using the DMZ option > if > you don't have to, this may have helped the hackers on your old system. > I recommend that you only open the ports that you need to. Depending on > your > firmware, this can be done in Applications and Gaming. > > Instead of changing the firewall to point to a new IP address you can swap > the addresses on the servers. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 19 16:33:37 2006 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:33:37 -0500 Subject: Question about plotting graphs in Gnumeric In-Reply-To: <20060314044632.GD6594-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20060314044632.GD6594@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20060319113337.3751a576.hgibson@eol.ca> On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:46:32 -0500 "Walter Dnes" wrote: > > The cells are properly aligned as 2 rows. I'm trying to plot the > numbers, on the Y scale and the labels on the X scale. Problem is that > the X scale always is 1, 2, 3..., 26. I don't see any way to get the > months plotted as text labels, i.e. "JAN", "FEB", etc. Walter, Try Open Office. OO Reproduces Word's obfuscated chart routine, but eventually, you will get the job done. Does anyone recall NExS or XESS? That had a really friendly chart program. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 19 19:05:44 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:05:44 -0500 Subject: Remote use of XDMCP In-Reply-To: <002001c64b7f$b6111360$0405a8c0-MlQI6EnZl2wPJunrU1OSJXVPGwe2822SptRUGzx/cGc@public.gmane.org> References: <002001c64b7f$b6111360$0405a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <441DAB88.7010505@rogers.com> Ansar Mohammed wrote: > It depends.. > If you have NAT between the wifi and the lan then yes you do have an issue. > Your NAT device must "understand" XDMCP in order for this to work. If it > does not > > You have 2 alternatives; Tunnel X through SSH or disable NAT between the > networks. I'm using a VPN to the firewall, so there's no NAT involved that's visible to XDCMP. There's just plain routing, between my desktop system, via firewall & VPN to the notebook. Also, XDMCP doesn't work through SSH, as it uses UDP, which SSH doesn't pass. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 19 19:32:37 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:32:37 -0800 Subject: Postal code table? In-Reply-To: <441CBEC7.3000003-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <441CBEC7.3000003@telly.org> Message-ID: On 3/18/06, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I know there are companies that sell this, and I'm told that the post > office gets thousands of $$ for the "official" one. But I'm wondering if > such a project exists out in the open, so to speak. It can't exist in the open because CPC considers this to be valuable proprietary information. This is one of those times when the US government looks pretty good; they expressly have a systematic way of indicating that certain kinds of "intellectual property" are to be considered "in the public domain." And some of the PD stuff is pretty important/vital/valuable. -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 19 21:04:14 2006 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:04:14 -0500 Subject: Remote use of XDMCP In-Reply-To: <441DAB88.7010505-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <441DAB88.7010505@rogers.com> Message-ID: <000801c64b98$ae8bd670$0405a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> I didn't say tunnel XDMCP, I said tunnel X through ssh. Also, even though you are using VPN you have to tell xdmcp which IP address to use (and send in the packet datasream) as the source. You typically experience the problem you are having if you are multihomed (as a VPN client technically is) and your X Client is not using the IP Address used by your VPN interface. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of James > Knott > Sent: March 19, 2006 2:06 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Remote use of XDMCP > > Ansar Mohammed wrote: > > It depends.. > > If you have NAT between the wifi and the lan then yes you do have an > issue. > > Your NAT device must "understand" XDMCP in order for this to work. If it > > does not > > > > You have 2 alternatives; Tunnel X through SSH or disable NAT between the > > networks. > > I'm using a VPN to the firewall, so there's no NAT involved that's > visible to XDCMP. There's just plain routing, between my desktop > system, via firewall & VPN to the notebook. Also, XDMCP doesn't work > through SSH, as it uses UDP, which SSH doesn't pass. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 19 21:17:42 2006 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:17:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Remote use of XDMCP In-Reply-To: <441D8B47.1020603-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <441D8B47.1020603@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, James Knott wrote: > I currently have XDMCP running well on my local network, in that > computers on my home network can use it to access other computers. > However, when I try to connect via WiFi & VPN, one computer that works So you are using the VPN at all times when connected locally? What sort of VPN are we talking about here btw? Is there some reason you don't want to use the WiFi without the VPN? If it is security, there is a lot to be said for WPA. > well on the local lan, cannot connect. I've used ethereal to see what's I don't suppose you could connect it via a wire to test xdmcp with wireless right out of the equation? I'd say you would have already done this if you could. > happening. In the list below, the letters A & B indicate the source of > the packets. "A" (10.x.x.x address) is a notebood connected via WiFi & > VPN and "B" (192.168.x.x) is my main desktop system. Both systems are > SUSE 10.0. Ethereal, running on both the notebook and desktop shows the > following. > > A XDMCD Query > B XDMCP Willing > A XDMCP Request > B XDMCP Accept > A XDMCP Manage (repeats 7 times) > B XDMCP Failed. > > So, it's obvious the two systems are communicating, but unable to run an > X session. Is there something that prevents a routed connection from > working? Perhaps an address range issue? Other ideas? Probably not related to the address range based on the info you relate from ethereal. You can check the relevant Xaccess file to make sure. Similarly it does seem that udp/177 is getting through. Use netcat to be sure. It's unlikely to be WiFi related unless your getting abysmal performance. I've used xdmcp over (WEP & WPA encrypted) links plenty of times with few problems. Could it be an MTU or packat fragmentation problem passing over the VPN? Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net We are open 24x365 for technical support. Call us in a crisis. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 19 21:20:12 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:20:12 -0500 Subject: Remote use of XDMCP In-Reply-To: <000801c64b98$ae8bd670$0405a8c0-MlQI6EnZl2wPJunrU1OSJXVPGwe2822SptRUGzx/cGc@public.gmane.org> References: <000801c64b98$ae8bd670$0405a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <441DCB0C.8020305@rogers.com> Ansar Mohammed wrote: > I didn't say tunnel XDMCP, I said tunnel X through ssh. > > Also, even though you are using VPN you have to tell xdmcp which IP address > to use (and send in the packet datasream) as the source. You typically > experience the problem you are having if you are multihomed (as a VPN client > technically is) and your X Client is not using the IP Address used by your > VPN interface. That's what I found out from someone else. I have to use the -from option in X. I wonder if there's someway to set that automagically, when using remote login screen? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 19 21:25:01 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:25:01 -0500 Subject: Remote use of XDMCP In-Reply-To: References: <441D8B47.1020603@rogers.com> Message-ID: <441DCC2D.5010006@rogers.com> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, James Knott wrote: > >> I currently have XDMCP running well on my local network, in that >> computers on my home network can use it to access other computers. >> However, when I try to connect via WiFi & VPN, one computer that works > > So you are using the VPN at all times when connected locally? No, only when using WiFi or connecting from elsewhere. > > What sort of VPN are we talking about here btw? OpenVPN > > Is there some reason you don't want to use the WiFi without the VPN? If > it is security, there is a lot to be said for WPA. I have my WiFi (with WEP) on the outside of my firewall. To reach my home network, I have to use either SSH or the VPN. > >> well on the local lan, cannot connect. I've used ethereal to see what's > > I don't suppose you could connect it via a wire to test xdmcp with > wireless right out of the equation? I'd say you would have already done > this if you could. It works fine with both computers on the local lan. > >> happening. In the list below, the letters A & B indicate the source of >> the packets. "A" (10.x.x.x address) is a notebood connected via WiFi & >> VPN and "B" (192.168.x.x) is my main desktop system. Both systems are >> SUSE 10.0. Ethereal, running on both the notebook and desktop shows the >> following. >> >> A XDMCD Query >> B XDMCP Willing >> A XDMCP Request >> B XDMCP Accept >> A XDMCP Manage (repeats 7 times) >> B XDMCP Failed. >> >> So, it's obvious the two systems are communicating, but unable to run an >> X session. Is there something that prevents a routed connection from >> working? Perhaps an address range issue? Other ideas? > > Probably not related to the address range based on the info you relate > from ethereal. You can check the relevant Xaccess file to make sure. > > Similarly it does seem that udp/177 is getting through. Use netcat to > be sure. > > It's unlikely to be WiFi related unless your getting abysmal performance. > I've used xdmcp over (WEP & WPA encrypted) links plenty of times with > few problems. > > Could it be an MTU or packat fragmentation problem passing over the VPN? > > Rob > It turns out that I can run X, if I use the X -from option. However, this means I cannot use the remote login feature of KDE, which works well on the local network. Apparently the problem is caused by the dual interfaces on my notebook computer, when using a VPN. Right now, I'm trying to see if there's some option somewhere, that will affect this. tnx jk -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 00:50:39 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:50:39 -0500 Subject: Remote use of XDMCP In-Reply-To: <441DCC2D.5010006-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <441D8B47.1020603@rogers.com> <441DCC2D.5010006@rogers.com> Message-ID: <441DFC5F.30507@utoronto.ca> James Knott wrote: > I have my WiFi (with WEP) on the outside of my firewall. To reach my > home network, I have to use either SSH or the VPN. > To echo Robert Brockway, can your Wifi setup be made to use WPA. The Wifi ought to be part of your home network behind the firewall. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 01:43:20 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:43:20 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <441E08B8.4030808@vianet.ca> Chris Friedt wrote: >I know that this is extremely late to reply to your email, and it sounds >as though you've had a lot of meanies replying. > >But I have truthfully run into your problem quite often. So I'll keep >it short: > >1) Look into a script called 'localepurge' > Where is this? [root at p733 chris]# find / -name localepurge [root at p733 chris]# Chris >- locale data takes up >several hundred megabytes, and if you don't need a translation for every >other language in the world, it's generally a good idea to get rid of >that data. > >2) Delete unused kernel trees if you build it from scratch ... that >would be in /usr/src and /lib . Remember to save the tree and libraries >of the currently running kernel as determined from `uname -a` > >3) /usr/share/docs takes up tonnes of space... if you don't need a >direct reference to all of the docs from a package, you can get rid of >much of this. > >4) I agree with the find /usr -size '10000k' or whatever, good >suggestion... I also use > >du -hsx * | grep "^[1-9][0-9\.].*M" > >(note: use /usr in place of * above for the command to work from any >location on the filesystem) > >... > >Generally, i wouldn't delete any shared libraries, just documentation. >The command I gave you will show you the size of directories and files, >which makes it a bit handier that the 'find' option (also takes much >more time). > >If you really need to, look through your package manager and see what >packages may be removed without affecting your normal operations. A good >linux distro is one that uses as little space as possible to get the job >done :-) > > >~/Chris > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 02:13:49 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:13:49 -0500 Subject: Remote use of XDMCP In-Reply-To: <441DFC5F.30507-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <441D8B47.1020603@rogers.com> <441DCC2D.5010006@rogers.com> <441DFC5F.30507@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <441E0FDD.60504@rogers.com> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > James Knott wrote: > >> I have my WiFi (with WEP) on the outside of my firewall. To reach my >> home network, I have to use either SSH or the VPN. >> > > To echo Robert Brockway, can your Wifi setup be made to use WPA. The > Wifi ought to be part of your home network behind the firewall. Given that WiFi security isn't that great, I tend to disagree. However, that is irrelevant to the problem, as I also use the VPN from elsewhere and using it over my WiFi connection makes it easier to test. The only other method I have of testing the VPN & what passes over it, is via dialup. Also the VPN over WiFi works well, as it's generally transparent to what I'm doing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 03:56:54 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:56:54 -0500 Subject: Question about plotting graphs in Gnumeric In-Reply-To: <20060319113337.3751a576.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060314044632.GD6594@waltdnes.org> <20060319113337.3751a576.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20060320035654.GA17392@waltdnes.org> On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 11:33:37AM -0500, Howard Gibson wrote > Try Open Office. OO Reproduces Word's obfuscated chart routine, but > eventually, you will get the job done. Anything but OO. Last time I looked at OO, it faithfully emulated MS Office's bloat. Between... - the bloated OO code itself - the hard-coded Java dependancy - the need for PAM-headers (WHY ?!?!?) if attampting to build from source tarball ...I'm looking at well over a gigabyte of garbage. If we're going to complain about MS trying to ram its "standards" down our throats, at least let's be even-handed and apply the same treatment to Sun and its Java-mania. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 06:32:54 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:32:54 -0800 Subject: Question about plotting graphs in Gnumeric In-Reply-To: <20060320035654.GA17392-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20060314044632.GD6594@waltdnes.org> <20060319113337.3751a576.hgibson@eol.ca> <20060320035654.GA17392@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On 3/19/06, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 11:33:37AM -0500, Howard Gibson wrote > > > Try Open Office. OO Reproduces Word's obfuscated chart routine, but > > eventually, you will get the job done. > > Anything but OO. Last time I looked at OO, it faithfully emulated MS > Office's bloat. Between... > - the bloated OO code itself > - the hard-coded Java dependancy > - the need for PAM-headers (WHY ?!?!?) if attampting to build from > source tarball > > ...I'm looking at well over a gigabyte of garbage. If we're going to > complain about MS trying to ram its "standards" down our throats, at > least let's be even-handed and apply the same treatment to Sun and its > Java-mania. I can't agree on the "hard-coded Java dependancy." I have had 1.1 installed on various systems which have NO Java on them, and the one place I have 1.2, I also don't have Java, at least, not in a place where OO.o would detect it. I do, however, agree that there's a lot of bloat to it. It has much the same physical markup disease that MSFT-generated HTML has, where you almost have per-word XML tagging that is merely marking the same attributes over and over again. Usually what it marks is that you're using the default font in the default size for this paragraph just as you did in the previous 15 paragraphs. But that, of course, involves a huge amount of gratuitous verbosity. There seem to be two places where Java *is* needed (there may be more; these are the ones I know of): 1. DBMS support needs Java for JDBC and such; 2. The thing that could be a solution to the "physical markup disease" is the ability to import/export DocBook; that is evidently written in Java... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 08:32:08 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:32:08 -0500 Subject: [OT] seeking: project management experience Message-ID: <99a6c38f0603200032n2da0bbc1g3d8cfaf2a5d87cf8@mail.gmail.com> Not really a paying job so to speak, but looking for someone who's maintained a project or two before. Would like to find a local technical advisor prior to a public project launch if it's possible. If it helps any... The spirit is a whole-lotta foss attitude, the project is an Operating System (thingy), and the langauge is AJAX. Off-list replies please. Thanks in advance! =) -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 12:13:56 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:13:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: GTALUG @ LinuxWorld Canada Planning meeting Message-ID: <20060320121356.64398.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ok, as everyone (I hope) knows the Linux World Canada show is coming up April 24-26, and GTALUG will be there. I will be having a planning meeting March 20th, 7:00 PM at the Starbucks Coffee shop inside the Yonge & Eglinton Indigo book store. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 13:44:39 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:44:39 -0500 Subject: Question about plotting graphs in Gnumeric In-Reply-To: References: <20060314044632.GD6594@waltdnes.org> <20060319113337.3751a576.hgibson@eol.ca> <20060320035654.GA17392@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <441EB1C7.80909@utoronto.ca> Christopher Browne wrote: > It has much the same physical markup disease that MSFT-generated HTML > has, where you almost have per-word XML tagging that is merely marking > the same attributes over and over again. Usually what it marks is > that you're using the default font in the default size for this > paragraph just as you did in the previous 15 paragraphs. But that, of > course, involves a huge amount of gratuitous verbosity. This reminds me of WordPerfect's reveal codes feature, where I could delete redundant markups that invariably would creep into the code. Is the Linux distribution of WordPerfect gone? I still have a copy on my hard drive which I don't use. Maybe I'll go investigate Corel's site, though I'm not holding my breath. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 14:27:18 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:27:18 -0500 Subject: Running two servers inside network In-Reply-To: <002401c64b7f$d223a900$0405a8c0-MlQI6EnZl2wPJunrU1OSJXVPGwe2822SptRUGzx/cGc@public.gmane.org> References: <002401c64b7f$d223a900$0405a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <1142864838.1950.177.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Sun, 2006-03-19 at 13:06 -0500, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > netstat -an Actually, my guess is: apache TCP 80, TCP 443 (if SSL is used) Postfix TCP 25 (possible TCP 587 and TCP 465 too) Mailman (uses apache and postfix ports) mambo (use apache) DNS (UDP 53, TCP 53 (if you have an external host being secondary)) MySQL TCP 3306 (but you don't need to expose it if only the web server uses it) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Robert F. > > Kennedy > > Sent: March 19, 2006 4:30 AM > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Running two servers inside network > > > > Hi John, > > > > That is a good idea, I'll change the IP instead. The reason I've used DMZ > > is > > that I don't know which ports are required for the various services. Is > > there a way of finding out? I'm running Apache, Postfix, Mailman, Mambo > > (PHP, MySQL), and DNS. > > > > Thanks, > > Robert > > > > > > Toronto > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of > > john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org > > Sent: March 18, 2006 2:32 PM > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Running two servers inside network > > > > > A few weeks ago my RH9 server got infected with a virus through PHP > > > and was doing DoS attacks on Google (a Microsoft virus perhaps) and > > > Jason, Tim, Peter, Eric and Neil suggested that I scrap the old server > > > and start fresh. > > > I am just getting around to that task now. I have a new machine with > > > CentOS installed (thanks to another TLUG member I enjoyed beer with > > > last Tuesday night but whose name I've forgotten). This is an > > > excellent upgrade path for someone running RH9. > > > > > > To test the new machine I went into my WRT54G Linksys router and > > > changed the DMZ from 192.168.2.39 (old machine) to 192.168.2.55 (new > > > machine). Did my testing late at night but when I set the DMZ back to > > > the old machine it stopped working. This gave me quite a scare > > > because by looking at logs and so on it should have been working. > > > Zonked I went to sleep and when I got up this morning it just started > > > working again around 11:30AM. I have no idea why it stopped working > > > for about ten hours but I am looking for advice on how I can switch > > > back and forth without encountering this problem. > > > > It sounds like a Linksys problem. I don't recommend using the DMZ option > > if > > you don't have to, this may have helped the hackers on your old system. > > I recommend that you only open the ports that you need to. Depending on > > your > > firmware, this can be done in Applications and Gaming. > > > > Instead of changing the firewall to point to a new IP address you can swap > > the addresses on the servers. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 16:33:14 2006 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:33:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Remote use of XDMCP In-Reply-To: <441DCC2D.5010006-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <441D8B47.1020603@rogers.com> <441DCC2D.5010006@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, James Knott wrote: > It turns out that I can run X, if I use the X -from option. However, > this means I cannot use the remote login feature of KDE, which works > well on the local network. Apparently the problem is caused by the dual > interfaces on my notebook computer, when using a VPN. Right now, I'm > trying to see if there's some option somewhere, that will affect this. Try: X -query $SERVER If it is the xdmcp broadcasts that is an issue this will connect you directly to the server. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net We are open 24x365 for technical support. Call us in a crisis. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 16:37:36 2006 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:37:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Remote use of XDMCP In-Reply-To: <441DCB0C.8020305-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <000801c64b98$ae8bd670$0405a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <441DCB0C.8020305@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, James Knott wrote: > That's what I found out from someone else. I have to use the -from > option in X. I wonder if there's someway to set that automagically, > when using remote login screen? Sure. You can put it in the relevant startup script. When setting a box to be a thin client, bu tnot using LTSP, I tend to write an /etc/init.d/xterminal file and start it from S99 in /etc/rc?.d You can start it with -from, -query , -broadcast, a display number or whatever you need, without needing to mess with the distro supplied X config. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net We are open 24x365 for technical support. Call us in a crisis. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 18:04:51 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:04:51 -0500 Subject: PegaSoft: Thousands of Clients per Server Message-ID: <1142877892.4493.9.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> The next PegaSoft dinner meeting is tomorrow, Tuesday, March 21 at 7:00 pm at the Office Bar and Grill near the Islington subway stop. Besides an update on the PegaSoft online game project, there will be a presentation and discussion on "Thousands of Clients per Server" from "Game Programming Gems 4"--an overview of the issues in scaling up to thousands of clients for a MMORG game. Email Mel Wilson (via http://www.pegasoft.ca/people.html) to reserve a seat. Attendance is free. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 18:41:00 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:41:00 -0500 Subject: Best 15.4" linux laptops In-Reply-To: <08FC7866-44CB-4E37-9D44-E00F2AE96E7C-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <08FC7866-44CB-4E37-9D44-E00F2AE96E7C@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <441EF73C.9010606@telly.org> Dave Cramer wrote: > What does everyone recommend for laptops that are linux friendly. > High resolution, and wireless compatibility are a must. The IBM (now lenovo) T42 comes in 14 and 15 inch versions. Works like a charm, well supported by Linux (wireless, hot-swap docking. I have no idea if the T43 is very different except for the fingerprint scanner. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 19:40:57 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:40:57 -0500 Subject: Best 15.4" linux laptops In-Reply-To: <08FC7866-44CB-4E37-9D44-E00F2AE96E7C-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <08FC7866-44CB-4E37-9D44-E00F2AE96E7C@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <1142883657.1950.213.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 09:46 -0500, Dave Cramer wrote: > What does everyone recommend for laptops that are linux friendly. > High resolution, and wireless compatibility are a must. I have been working with and I sell, an IBM notebook for almost three years and it works great. There is a thinkwiki.org page that shows how to get everything working including the fingerprint scanner and hard disk active protection that the higher end models have. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. Director of Technology 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 519-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 20:22:59 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:22:59 -0500 Subject: CD Duplication using Linux In-Reply-To: References: <50346.207.188.65.194.1142555088.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20060316195949.3870537d.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <20060320202258.GA3029@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Mar 18, 2006 at 03:37:22PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > As I understand it, Plextor doesn't make drive mechanisms. At one > point, I think that the did make some parts of the electronics. In > some cases, only the firmware is different > http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?s=61fc9f75de893e18442390b3bfe36b61&t=157393 It looks like the PX750A is one of the first where the drive is simply a premade drive with different firmware. It certainly lacks many plextor features their other drives have. The PX755 and 760 as well as the older 740 all have the full qcheck and other plextools features, which the 750 does not have most of them. Plextor at least used to make drive mechanisms. They may have stopped by now. Most of the current drives use sanyo chipsets with plextors own firmware to drive the controller, and of course their own case design. > In any case, I would expect that current Plextor drives would > mechanically survive about the same length of time as the other drives > with the same mechanism. Well unless they use different motor quality and bearings and such than other companies, then yes probably. Certainly in the past I know a plextor lasted a lot longer than say a mitsumi drive. > Since Plextor drives are usually much more expensive, I'd skip them if > your issue is just phyical lifetime. I would certainly skip the PX750. The 740 and 760 are both very nice drives, and they do have features no one else has. Maybe they are starting to use complete drives from other companies with custom firmware (I hope not, although the 750 is obviously one such drive), I am sticking with plextor only for a while at least, but I will certainly keep my eye out for which models are full plextor style drives, and which are cheaper feature lacking models. > The CD and DVD burning world seems to by full of superstition. Which > brands & manufacturer of media are good for which drives (at which firmware rev) > seems to be unclear. And this seems to matter -- coasters are still > common. Not to mention questions about the lifetime of the resulting > disks. Brands change suppliers too. Just because brand X works great this time, doesn't mean they won't find a cheaper supplier for the next batch. It sucks really. :) Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 20:25:24 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:25:24 -0500 Subject: Best 15.4" linux laptops In-Reply-To: <08FC7866-44CB-4E37-9D44-E00F2AE96E7C-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <08FC7866-44CB-4E37-9D44-E00F2AE96E7C@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <20060320202524.GB3029@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 09:46:03AM -0500, Dave Cramer wrote: > What does everyone recommend for laptops that are linux friendly. > High resolution, and wireless compatibility are a must. Well probably something with an intel wireless chip (they seem to have support in general at least), and probably intel or nvidia graphics chip. Not sure who currently makes such a thing. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 20:32:41 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:32:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: CD Duplication using Linux In-Reply-To: <20060320202258.GA3029-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <50346.207.188.65.194.1142555088.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20060316195949.3870537d.tleslie@tcn.net> <20060320202258.GA3029@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <50205.207.188.65.194.1142886761.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Here I am answering my own question: The latest issue of the HUB flyer has several ads for disc duplicators. It appears that something called a 'Wytron' controller operates an array of slave writers. Dunno how this thing would appear from Linux - the ideal would be that it appears as a stardard writer but clones the write across the array. Sonnam also appear to sell CD and DVD write arrays. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 20:46:43 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:46:43 -0500 Subject: CD Duplication using Linux In-Reply-To: <50205.207.188.65.194.1142886761.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50346.207.188.65.194.1142555088.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20060320202258.GA3029@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <50205.207.188.65.194.1142886761.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <200603201546.43981.interlug@weait.net> On Monday 20 March 2006 15:32, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > The latest issue of the HUB flyer has several ads for disc > duplicators. If I remember correctly, a regular at HLUG and HOSUG, has a mass duplicator. You might ask on their forums for info. http://www.hosug.org/ http://hamilton.linux.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 20 22:31:28 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:31:28 -0500 Subject: Remote use of XDMCP In-Reply-To: <441DCC2D.5010006-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <441D8B47.1020603@rogers.com> <441DCC2D.5010006@rogers.com> Message-ID: <441F2D40.5010101@georgetown.wehave.net> James Knott wrote: > It turns out that I can run X, if I use the X -from option. However, > this means I cannot use the remote login feature of KDE Excuse me if I'm out to lunch here, only read bits of the thread. By remote login I assume you just mean logging in via xdmcp to get a "desktop" ... why not run startkde. If that's the case I expect like someone (Robert?) said you can use ssh: ssh -X somehost -f /usr/bin/startkde # should do it If that's not what you want (it would likely take over your local desktop) perhaps use VNC? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 01:41:53 2006 From: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Clive DaSilva) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:41:53 -0500 Subject: Slashdot thread ... A proposed opensource development tax credit in the US Message-ID: <441F59E1.6070901@iprimus.ca> Here is an interesting thread on Slashdot. Some US think tank is proposing a tax credit on open source software development, based on the perception of increased efficiencies. Something for the bean counters to look at. http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/20/219229 -- Clive DaSilva Tel : 416-421-2480 Cell: 416-560-8820 Mandriva LE 2006 kernel-2.6.12-17mdk -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 02:12:04 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:12:04 -0500 Subject: Remote use of XDMCP In-Reply-To: References: <441D8B47.1020603@rogers.com> <441DCC2D.5010006@rogers.com> Message-ID: <441F60F4.7010404@rogers.com> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, James Knott wrote: > >> It turns out that I can run X, if I use the X -from option. However, >> this means I cannot use the remote login feature of KDE, which works >> well on the local network. Apparently the problem is caused by the dual >> interfaces on my notebook computer, when using a VPN. Right now, I'm >> trying to see if there's some option somewhere, that will affect this. > > Try: X -query $SERVER > > If it is the xdmcp broadcasts that is an issue this will connect you > directly to the server. X- query, without -from does not work. With -from it does. As someone else mentioned, it appears that X is trying to use the WiFi interface, instead of the VPN. However, I'll have to run ethereal on the WiFi interface to verify that. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 02:15:27 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:15:27 -0500 Subject: Remote use of XDMCP In-Reply-To: References: <000801c64b98$ae8bd670$0405a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <441DCB0C.8020305@rogers.com> Message-ID: <441F61BF.1000504@rogers.com> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, James Knott wrote: > >> That's what I found out from someone else. I have to use the -from >> option in X. I wonder if there's someway to set that automagically, >> when using remote login screen? > > Sure. You can put it in the relevant startup script. When setting a > box to be a thin client, bu tnot using LTSP, I tend to write an > /etc/init.d/xterminal file and start it from S99 in /etc/rc?.d > > You can start it with -from, -query , -broadcast, a display number or > whatever you need, without needing to mess with the distro supplied X > config. > It is not a thin client. It's my notebook computer, running SUSE 10. When connected to the local lan, I can use the remote login function, to connect to the other system. When coming in through the VPN, even though I specify the host name, I get only those XDMCP messages I posted earlier. The only way I've found so far, to use the XDMCP via the VPN, is to use the -from option. It would be nice to use the remote login feature, but at the moment, I can't. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 02:18:42 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:18:42 -0500 Subject: Remote use of XDMCP In-Reply-To: <441F2D40.5010101-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <441D8B47.1020603@rogers.com> <441DCC2D.5010006@rogers.com> <441F2D40.5010101@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <441F6282.7010302@rogers.com> Fraser Campbell wrote: > James Knott wrote: > >> It turns out that I can run X, if I use the X -from option. However, >> this means I cannot use the remote login feature of KDE > > Excuse me if I'm out to lunch here, only read bits of the thread. By > remote login I assume you just mean logging in via xdmcp to get a > "desktop" ... why not run startkde. > > If that's the case I expect like someone (Robert?) said you can use ssh: > > ssh -X somehost -f /usr/bin/startkde # should do it > > If that's not what you want (it would likely take over your local > desktop) perhaps use VNC? What I'm trying to do, is remote login to the desktop. If the computers are on the same local lan, I can easily the remote login feature that's built into SUSE 10. If I try to connect via VPN, it's necessary for me to use the X -query command, with the -from option, as somehow X is confused by the two interfaces (VPN and hardware NIC). If I can use the remote login feature, I don't have to log onto the local computer. If I use the X command, I do. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 06:24:53 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 01:24:53 -0500 Subject: Question about plotting graphs in Gnumeric In-Reply-To: References: <20060314044632.GD6594@waltdnes.org> <20060319113337.3751a576.hgibson@eol.ca> <20060320035654.GA17392@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20060321062453.GA18896@waltdnes.org> On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 10:32:54PM -0800, Christopher Browne wrote > I can't agree on the "hard-coded Java dependancy." I have had 1.1 > installed on various systems which have NO Java on them, and the one > place I have 1.2, I also don't have Java, at least, not in a place > where OO.o would detect it. Well, I did say... "Last time I looked". See... http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/03/22/204244 => To understand the issues, it is important to know exactly what => functionality depends on Java. As of version 1.1.4, the features => that required a JRE were: => => * Accessibility tools, such as the Gnopernicus Screen Reader and => Magnifier and the GNOME On-Screen Keyboard => * The Report Autopilot => * JDBC driver support for Java-based databases => * XSLT filters => * BeanShell, the Netbeans scripting language, and the Java UNO bridge => * Export filters to the Aportis.doc (.pdb) format for the Palm or => Pocket Word (.psw) format for the Pocket PC => => While some OpenOffice.org members expressed concern about Java => being used at all, most accepted the argument that these features => did not affect core functionality, and were of interest to only a => small minority of users. => => OpenOffice.org leaders are still making this argument about version => 2.0. However, in version 2.0, the dependence on Java has grown. In => addition to the Java-dependent features in earlier versions, 2.0 => requires a JRE for: => => * Base, the new Access-like database application => * The media player, which adds movie and sound clips to documents => * Mail merges to e-mail, which also require Java Mail => * All document wizards in Writer => => Although some could argue that basic office functionality continues => to be unaffected, anyone claiming that most users do not need Java => in 2.0 may be stretching the point. Richard Stallman was talking about a fork. There has been compromise on both sides, however. FSF and OpenOffice.Org are moving to a codebase which will work with GCJ as well as with Java. See... http://www.fsf.org/news/open-office-java.html for details. Apparently, it was a "culture" thing. The Sun people who worked OO had gotten to the point where they needed to use Java code to go to the bathroom. Outsiders, me included, drew a worst-case-scenario inference about deliberate conspiracies. I don't know if it's OO or the decision of the Gentoo OO ebuild maintainer, but building from source still requires sys-libs/pam, dev-perl/Compress-Zlib, dev-perl/Archive-Zip, net-print/cups, x11-libs/startup-notification, and app-shells/tcsh. Meanwhile, openoffice-bin can simply be dropped in and run. Thanks for making me look at it; I'll give it a try. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 14:27:30 2006 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:27:30 -0500 Subject: bring up tape drive Message-ID: I have a scsi tape drive forced offline due to the jammed tape (maybe a dysfunctional tape drive). Without powering down the server, is there a Linux command that can bring up the tape drive so that I can use mt to eject the tape? I am running Debian Woody. PQ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 15:54:18 2006 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:54:18 -0500 Subject: bring up tape drive Message-ID: Dell tech support told me to unplug the data cable, power down the system and then power up the server, hold eject button. I think it is ridiculous because it is a web server, how can you expect any down time? If software solution is not feasible, I might have to bring down the server. Thx Len, PQ -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sent: March 21, 2006 10:08 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: bring up tape drive On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 09:27:30AM -0500, Phillip Qin wrote: > I have a scsi tape drive forced offline due to the jammed tape (maybe a > dysfunctional tape drive). Without powering down the server, is there a > Linux command that can bring up the tape drive so that I can use mt to eject > the tape? I am running Debian Woody. The eject button doesn't work? If the tape is really jammed, perhaps it isn't possible to eject. Perhaps the drive has to be opened by someone that knows what they are doing to remove the tape from it. I don't think you can do anything in software to force it back online. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:44201700203641128618344! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 17:52:02 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:52:02 +0000 Subject: bring up tape drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/21/06, Phillip Qin wrote: > Dell tech support told me to unplug the data cable, power down the system > and then power up the server, hold eject button. I think it is ridiculous > because it is a web server, how can you expect any down time? > > If software solution is not feasible, I might have to bring down the server. As a rule of thumb, we make sure that tape drives *aren't* connected to systems we can't reboot. They are, by and large, "fiddly bits of hardware" that can indeed mandate system outages. In our production environment, the tape drives sits remote from *all* servers; that's pretty ideal, albeit somewhat expensive. Trying to save money by forcing all functions onto one server tends to add unexpected costs, like the one you're seeing... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 17:57:30 2006 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:57:30 -0500 Subject: bring up tape drive Message-ID: Hmmm. Off topic, is there software on Windows that can remotely backup Linux server? PQ -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Browne Sent: March 21, 2006 12:52 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: bring up tape drive On 3/21/06, Phillip Qin wrote: > Dell tech support told me to unplug the data cable, power down the system > and then power up the server, hold eject button. I think it is ridiculous > because it is a web server, how can you expect any down time? > > If software solution is not feasible, I might have to bring down the server. As a rule of thumb, we make sure that tape drives *aren't* connected to systems we can't reboot. They are, by and large, "fiddly bits of hardware" that can indeed mandate system outages. In our production environment, the tape drives sits remote from *all* servers; that's pretty ideal, albeit somewhat expensive. Trying to save money by forcing all functions onto one server tends to add unexpected costs, like the one you're seeing... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:44203d63253827954335277! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 19:12:00 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:12:00 +0200 (IST) Subject: bring up tape drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually external SCSI tape drives are relatively immune to problems of this kind. One can unplug it (hot) and then reset the relevant scsi bus (which is to be dedicated). I do this with NetBSD and it's ok 99% of the time. However ejecting the media may not work if it's jammed. If it has to be an all-in-one solution, imho, put the tape drive in a removable cradle that plugs in from the front so you can remove it if necessary. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ican-rZHaEmXdJNJWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 19:18:35 2006 From: ican-rZHaEmXdJNJWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (bob) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:18:35 -0500 Subject: what is an open source (for Windows) equivalent to Microsoft publisher Message-ID: <200603211923.k2LJNHfp002137@river.netrover.com> I'm doing some volunteer work for Habitat for Humanity and the office staff was lamenting that they no longer have a valid licence (or access to) Microsoft Publisher. Does Scribus on Windows work as an equivalent? bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kru_tch-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 19:58:53 2006 From: kru_tch-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Stephen Allen) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:58:53 -0500 Subject: what is an open source (for Windows) equivalent to Microsoft publisher In-Reply-To: <200603211923.k2LJNHfp002137-u5UFdnW6R/KJ17fRuoxbtdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <200603211923.k2LJNHfp002137@river.netrover.com> Message-ID: <44205AFD.70203@yahoo.ca> bob wrote: > I'm doing some volunteer work for Habitat for Humanity and the office staff > was lamenting that they no longer have a valid licence (or access to) > Microsoft Publisher. > > Does Scribus on Windows work as an equivalent? Of course, it's far superior to Publisher, as Scribus is based on Adobe Pagemaker. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 20:22:21 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:22:21 +0000 Subject: bring up tape drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/21/06, Phillip Qin wrote: > Hmmm. Off topic, is there software on Windows that can remotely backup Linux > server? Given "remote", a number of options become obvious: 1. File copying across ssh - e.g. - rsync, Unison 2. File copying via some distributed filesystem such as NFS (not so Windows-compatible) or CIFS (Samba, anyone???) -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 21:03:11 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:03:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: My Linux Infrared Remote Control article Message-ID: <20060321210311.63105.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> My article on LIRC (Linux Infrared Remote Control) is now out on the web: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8811 Now, one of the things I got a bit of flack on previously was that I did not mention David Patrick and Linuxcaffe in a past article, something that has now been adressed (briefly) in this article. Next question is are there folks here who REALLY want to see their name in print and who I have not mentioned so far. GTALug people that I have mentioned so far in what I have written: Linux Infrared Remote Control - Linux Journal Website - Peter L. Peres - David Patrick An Evening with Jeff Waugh - Linux Journal Website - Sacha Chua - Behdad Esfahbod A Look at the Linux World Canada Show - Linux Journal Website - Sim Brigden - Edward Chin - Leah Cunningham - Seneca Cunningham - Marcel Gagn?? - Teddy Mills - William Park - Jeffrey Pikul - Bill Thanis - Pavel Zaitsev Greater Toronto Area Linux User Group - Linux Format(*) - Sacha Chua - William Park (*) - Herb Richter - Evan Leibovitch (*) (*) I have not yet seen the Linux Format issue which has the bit I wrote. Still as submitted there was brief reference to all the people mentioned, but I also gather William Park and Evan Leibovitch were edited out... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 21:03:25 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:03:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: My Linux Infrared Remote Control article Message-ID: <20060321210325.91638.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> My article on LIRC (Linux Infrared Remote Control) is now out on the web: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8811 Now, one of the things I got a bit of flack on previously was that I did not mention David Patrick and Linuxcaffe in a past article, something that has now been adressed (briefly) in this article. Next question is are there folks here who REALLY want to see their name in print and who I have not mentioned so far. GTALug people that I have mentioned so far in what I have written: Linux Infrared Remote Control - Linux Journal Website - Peter L. Peres - David Patrick An Evening with Jeff Waugh - Linux Journal Website - Sacha Chua - Behdad Esfahbod A Look at the Linux World Canada Show - Linux Journal Website - Sim Brigden - Edward Chin - Leah Cunningham - Seneca Cunningham - Marcel Gagn? - Teddy Mills - William Park - Jeffrey Pikul - Bill Thanis - Pavel Zaitsev Greater Toronto Area Linux User Group - Linux Format(*) - Sacha Chua - William Park (*) - Herb Richter - Evan Leibovitch (*) (*) I have not yet seen the Linux Format issue which has the bit I wrote. Still as submitted there was brief reference to all the people mentioned, but I also gather William Park and Evan Leibovitch were edited out... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 21:19:28 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:19:28 -0500 Subject: bring up tape drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060321211928.GD3029@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 10:54:18AM -0500, Phillip Qin wrote: > Dell tech support told me to unplug the data cable, power down the system > and then power up the server, hold eject button. I think it is ridiculous > because it is a web server, how can you expect any down time? > > If software solution is not feasible, I might have to bring down the server. > > Thx Len, So schedule some downtime. Hardware failures do happen. At least the drive was nice enough to disconnect and stop doing thigns to avoid any further damage to itself (assuming a tape jam can cause drive damage). Some drives might just have held the bus hostage (I guess that might be why some people don't think tape drives should share a bus with other scsi devices :) Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 21:20:53 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:20:53 -0500 Subject: bring up tape drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060321212053.GE3029@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 08:22:21PM +0000, Christopher Browne wrote: > On 3/21/06, Phillip Qin wrote: > > Hmmm. Off topic, is there software on Windows that can remotely backup Linux > > server? > > Given "remote", a number of options become obvious: > > 1. File copying across ssh - e.g. - rsync, Unison > 2. File copying via some distributed filesystem such as NFS (not so > Windows-compatible) or CIFS (Samba, anyone???) I guess as long as you don't need to save the permissions or ownership or anything else, that could work. Otherwise generating tar files and copying those over might be better. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 21:40:39 2006 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:40:39 -0500 Subject: bring up tape drive Message-ID: What I am currently doing is "tar-zip-tape" daily. But he made a good point. I agree backing up from remote is better. At least I don't have to reboot my linux box should tape drive fails. In replying your previous email, unfortunately, I hot-unplugged the SCSI tape drive. It caused Debian CPU dump. I fixed the tape drive and had to reboot the server. PQ -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sent: March 21, 2006 4:21 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: bring up tape drive On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 08:22:21PM +0000, Christopher Browne wrote: > On 3/21/06, Phillip Qin wrote: > > Hmmm. Off topic, is there software on Windows that can remotely backup Linux > > server? > > Given "remote", a number of options become obvious: > > 1. File copying across ssh - e.g. - rsync, Unison > 2. File copying via some distributed filesystem such as NFS (not so > Windows-compatible) or CIFS (Samba, anyone???) I guess as long as you don't need to save the permissions or ownership or anything else, that could work. Otherwise generating tar files and copying those over might be better. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:44206e45327361937019970! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kckrinke-eqjHHVKjh9GttCpgsWEBFlaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 23:00:55 2006 From: kckrinke-eqjHHVKjh9GttCpgsWEBFlaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Kevin C. Krinke) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:00:55 -0500 Subject: Xgl -- more eye candy than Apple? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1142982055.6340.443.camel@onest8> On Sun, 2006-12-03 at 14:09 -0500, Alex Beamish wrote: > Over on GrokLaw [1], PJ has posted notice of Novell's decision to > re-brand their Novell Desktop Linux back to SUSE. That's not very > exciting, but the inclusion of Xgl and "a real-time macro interpreter > for OpenOffice.org which can read the most common Microsoft Excel > spreadsheet macros" is going to remove barriers to the use of OOo, I > presyume on either on Windows or Linux. > > The GrokLaw article is here: > > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060312052013937 > > and the linked video is a very nice demo of what Xgl can do .. > although who would want a screen saver running as part of their normal > desktop is beyond me. I've recently had the chance to get Xgl running on my Ubuntu Dapper... wow! It is really an impressive bit of eye candy that actually has some use. I noticed right-off-the-hop that the hardware accelerated environment was far more responsive than stock xorg, windows were redrawn with very decent speed and there was minimal impact on the frame-rate with OpenGL based apps. And just for clarification... I don't think that the animation in the background was a screensaver, I'm fairly certain it was a clip from the Final Fantasy movie. Regardless, it's a real wonder of work. When I got to playing with the wobbly windows though... heh... I gave myself motion sickness after ten minutes because I had the settings cranked all the way up... clicking on any window sent ripples through the entire screen... dragging an app around warped and manipulated the window like it was some really relaxed rubbery-playdough. All in all it's was pretty fun to mess with but I'm back to stock xorg as things like dualhead/xinerama are not functional and some apps behaved in rather quirky ways but run fine under normal xorg. Polish the bugs, tone down the settings and it'll be a Vista squasher on the desktop eye-candy level. Anyways, just thought I'd share the experience. I should really check this list more often, only a few hundred more unread emails to go... heh. -- Kevin C. Krinke Open Door Software Inc. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 21 23:19:19 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 01:19:19 +0200 (IST) Subject: bring up tape drive In-Reply-To: <20060321211928.GD3029-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060321211928.GD3029@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > So schedule some downtime. Hardware failures do happen. At least the > drive was nice enough to disconnect and stop doing thigns to avoid any > further damage to itself (assuming a tape jam can cause drive damage). > Some drives might just have held the bus hostage (I guess that might be > why some people don't think tape drives should share a bus with other > scsi devices :) The drive cannot hold a bus hostage, but the driver in the os can, if it is not written with a watchdog type timeout that lets it finish a 'frozen' operation gracefully. You can easily prove the point by pulling the SCSI cable from the suspect device (on an indle bus). In fact SCSI devices that have hard errors beyond a preset level usually disconnect from the bus entirely and 'disappear' from the controller's point of view. This is a part of why SCSI buses are highly regarded. On NetBSD I am usually able to unwedge a stuck tape operation (very rare) by sending a scsictl bus reset command from a terminal. The asynchronous nature of the scsi subsystem guarantees that the reset goes in and cancels whatever was stuck waiting. But if the driver in the os is not robust against unexpected scsi errors and timeouts then it will loop forever (or until reboot). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 22 01:06:30 2006 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:06:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: bring up tape drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Phillip Qin wrote: > Dell tech support told me to unplug the data cable, power down the system > and then power up the server, hold eject button. I think it is ridiculous > because it is a web server, how can you expect any down time? Hi Phillip. Downtime is inevitable. If you really feel you can't take the server down then setup (at least) a cold fail-over right now. Then when you have a cold fail-over, fail-over to it, take the main server down and fix the problem. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net We are open 24x365 for technical support. Call us in a crisis. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 22 02:26:17 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:26:17 -0800 Subject: bring up tape drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/21/06, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Phillip Qin wrote: > > > Dell tech support told me to unplug the data cable, power down the system > > and then power up the server, hold eject button. I think it is ridiculous > > because it is a web server, how can you expect any down time? > > Hi Phillip. Downtime is inevitable. If you really feel you can't take > the server down then setup (at least) a cold fail-over right now. Then > when you have a cold fail-over, fail-over to it, take the main server down > and fix the problem. Downtime doesn't have to be inevitable if you have enough servers that you can take some out and still retain services. But if you only have one server, there you go :-(. You can't expect 365x24x60x60 unless you have plenty enough servers to survive having any one or two go down... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 22 02:57:52 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:57:52 -0500 Subject: bring up tape drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4420BD30.6020305@rogers.com> Phillip Qin wrote: > Dell tech support told me to unplug the data cable, power down the > system and then power up the server, hold eject button. I think it is > ridiculous because it is a web server, how can you expect any down time? If that's all they want, you should be able to disconnect the power cable, instead of powering down the server. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 22 03:02:04 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:02:04 -0500 Subject: bring up tape drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4420BE2C.3050709@rogers.com> Phillip Qin wrote: > Hmmm. Off topic, is there software on Windows that can remotely backup > Linux server? Any backup app that can read network drives should be able to do it. You can either use Samba to share the drive, or get Windows to access NFS. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 22 03:02:39 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:02:39 -0500 Subject: My Linux Infrared Remote Control article In-Reply-To: <20060321210311.63105.qmail-iE2/U85ktn6B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060321210311.63105.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0603211902m6a97514au9b2db39af79b6ded@mail.gmail.com> On 3/21/06, Colin McGregor wrote: > Now, one of the things I got a bit of flack on > previously was that I did not mention David Patrick > and Linuxcaffe in a past article, something that has > now been adressed (briefly) in this article. Next > question is are there folks here who REALLY want to > see their name in print and who I have not mentioned > so far. GTALug people that I have mentioned so far in > what I have written: Those who REALLY wish to stand out will find a number of ways to do so. You shouldn't catch flak for "missing" someone here or there. > - Peter L. Peres > - David Patrick > - Sacha Chua > - Behdad Esfahbod > - Sim Brigden > - Edward Chin > - Leah Cunningham > - Seneca Cunningham > - Marcel Gagn? > - Teddy Mills > - William Park > - Jeffrey Pikul > - Bill Thanis > - Pavel Zaitsev > - Sacha Chua > - William Park (*) > - Herb Richter > - Evan Leibovitch (*) > > (*) I have not yet seen the Linux Format issue which > has the bit I wrote. Still as submitted there was > brief reference to all the people mentioned, but I > also gather William Park and Evan Leibovitch were > edited out... Same goes for LinuxFormat. Or anyone else. Everybody's got different situations to keep up with. So long as everybody keeps trying though, there's certainly no reason we couldn't take over the world. =) -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 22 11:40:47 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:40:47 +0200 (IST) Subject: DRM causes increased battery drain on MP3 players Message-ID: According to this page: http://rawdog.aamiic.net/ between 8 and 25%. iPods are not extempt. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 22 13:29:50 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:29:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: My Linux Infrared Remote Control article In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0603211902m6a97514au9b2db39af79b6ded-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0603211902m6a97514au9b2db39af79b6ded@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060322132950.99374.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 3/21/06, Colin McGregor > wrote: > > Now, one of the things I got a bit of flack on > > previously was that I did not mention David > Patrick > > and Linuxcaffe in a past article, something that > has > > now been adressed (briefly) in this article. Next > > question is are there folks here who REALLY want > to > > see their name in print and who I have not > mentioned > > so far. GTALug people that I have mentioned so far > in > > what I have written: > > Those who REALLY wish to stand out will find a > number of ways to do > so. You shouldn't catch flak for "missing" someone > here or there. I write for a number of reasons including: - Great excuse to play with new technology - Promote myself - Make a few dollars - Have some fun although not necessarily in the order mentioned :-) . What I am NOT interested in doing with my writing is getting people annoyed at me. It is the "I don't want people annoyed" bit that I was attempting to address here. > > - Peter L. Peres > > - David Patrick > > - Sacha Chua > > - Behdad Esfahbod > > - Sim Brigden > > - Edward Chin > > - Leah Cunningham > > - Seneca Cunningham > > - Marcel Gagn? > > - Teddy Mills > > - William Park > > - Jeffrey Pikul > > - Bill Thanis > > - Pavel Zaitsev > > - Sacha Chua > > - William Park (*) > > - Herb Richter > > - Evan Leibovitch (*) > > > > (*) I have not yet seen the Linux Format issue > which > > has the bit I wrote. Still as submitted there was > > brief reference to all the people mentioned, but I > > also gather William Park and Evan Leibovitch were > > edited out... > > Same goes for LinuxFormat. Or anyone else. > Everybody's got different > situations to keep up with. The mention of William Park and Evan Leibovitch for Linux Format was part of a caption showing 4 people gathered around a table at a "Tim Horton's" coffee shop after the January NewTLUG meeting. Of the 3 pictures I sent to Linux Format that picture was the weakest, and likely why they dropped it. > So long as everybody keeps trying though, there's > certainly no reason > we couldn't take over the world. =) > > -- > Scott Elcomb > psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 22 17:07:15 2006 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:07:15 -0500 Subject: DRM causes increased battery drain on MP3 players In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe the "study" compared On 3/22/06, Peter wrote: > > According to this page: > > http://rawdog.aamiic.net/ > > between 8 and 25%. iPods are not extempt. I believe the "study" compared DRM'd WMA and AAC to vanilla MP3 files. WMA and AAC both take more resources to decode. They should have compared them to their non-DRM counterparts. And where are the cheap Vorbis players, already? -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 22 17:28:20 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:28:20 +0000 Subject: Resource project + old computers reused with Linux In-Reply-To: <20060321210325.91638.qmail-DooQHYYYUaiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060321210325.91638.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44218934.1000600@zen.co.uk> Hi Here in the Uk my self and two other members have formed open devon, we may have got hold of some old computers p2/p3 type hardware, and would like to give these away (or sell cheaply) in a similar way I guess to resource project but on a much smaller scale, I have posted a link so the other members can have a read of what that is about. Just wondered if anyone had any advice or experience of reinstalling computers with Linux. and issuing them to schools / community groups. One concern I have raised is the issue of support, as there are lots of books out there for WIndows, and people used to windows can do tasks just by reading a book. but going from Windows to Linux to me is a different matter due to the new learning curve involved, One plan is to set up a LTSP type network somewhere, e.g a school, I suggested giving equipment to families or people who don't have a computer, as this was what you do at Resource Project. Hopefully when in Canada I can get involved with resource project, so I can help out, then share my experience within Canada, learn new skills and help this project in the UK, at the end of the day we are taking working computers and preventing these ending up in landfill, and hopefully in the process helping to bridge the digital divide. One last note, looks like Visa has been delayed till November 06 for corporate users, and January 07 for other users. Any ideas welcome Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 22 21:51:13 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:51:13 +0200 (IST) Subject: DRM causes increased battery drain on MP3 players In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Mike Newman wrote: > I believe the "study" compared DRM'd WMA and AAC to vanilla MP3 files. Do you believe that or did you read that in the study ? I don't think that they are that reckless, although they are almost certainly biased. > And where are the cheap Vorbis players, already? Don't ask me ... Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 22 23:08:53 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:08:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux World Canada Show task list. Message-ID: <20060322230853.31590.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Current task list: - Spread the word that the GTALug booth number will be # 108 and the April NewTLUG meeting will be held in room 201D of the Metro Convention Centre. I have requested (but not yet confirmed) a PA system and a VGA projector for the NewTLUG meeting. - Review with volunteers the strings attached as to what we can / can not do in the booth. - April NewTLUG meeting will be at the show, with the topic being a distribution comparison. Herb has the following speakers: - Debian - Colin McGregor - Fedora - Paul Mora - Mandriva - Evan Leibovitch - MEPIS and PCLOS - Geoff Mitchell Still need SuSE and Ubuntu speakers, Herb has suggested I talk about Ubuntu, not sure if I am the right person to do that. - Currently on hand as give-away items are: - 1,000 copies of Ubuntu (mixed between disks for i386, PowerPC and AMD64) - 200 Ubuntu stickers - 200 Ubuntu fliers - 4 Ubuntu T-Shirts (1 medium, 2 large, and 1 extra large) How to divide up the T-Shirts is still an open question. Herb is suggesting giving them to NewTLUG speakers. - Expected give-away items: - 1,000 copies of Fedora Core DVDs - Currently expected expenses are: - Approximately $150 Banner - Approximately $150 Photocopies - Approximately $50 munchies for booth staff. - Approximately $25 for GTALug name buttons What else should be budgeted for? - Final decisions on the following are: - Power - no, will use laptops are required. - Candy - Some munchies for booth volunteers ? Chocolate, granola bars, etc. - 2.25? pin back badges - some with GTALug logo and member/volunteer names printed on them. - Case badges - no, too expensive/little time! - Flier distribution, we have some colour fliers from Plum Communications for distribution at our meetings, and we have a PDF file for printing out and passing around. Need some people to do leg work here. - Have a GTALug promo flier that seems to be ok. - Banner. Is Gordon Chillcott?s design ok? - Putting together an "Exhibitor" list for submission to Plum Communication. The follow people have expressed an interest in working the booth as exhibitors: - Cheah, Meng - Chillcott, Gordon - Cunningham, Leah - Cunningham, Seneca - Frey, Ivan - McGregor, Colin - Mills, Teddy - Park, William - Sullivan, Drew - Weatherill, Amos Who else should be / wants to be on this list? - Putting together a GTALug press release for the Plum Communications website. This may just be the text from the Welcome to GTALug flier. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 23 00:28:51 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:28:51 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show task list. In-Reply-To: <20060322230853.31590.qmail-57gzaD/7YRGB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060322230853.31590.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4421EBC3.7090105@telly.org> Colin McGregor wrote: >April NewTLUG meeting will be at the show, with the topic being a distribution comparison. > Actually it's somewhat more than that. The topic is separated into four segments: - Introduction to NewTLUG - What is a distribution - 15 minute segments where people describe what's unique about what they use - Q&A There's a lot of FUD out there regarding the diversity of Linux; it's helpful to new users to understand the concept of the Linux distributions and how it differs from, say, the different mutations of Unix. >Herb has the following speakers: > - Debian - Colin McGregor > - Fedora - Paul Mora > - Mandriva - Evan Leibovitch > - MEPIS and PCLOS - Geoff Mitchell >Still need SuSE and Ubuntu speakers, Herb has suggested I talk about Ubuntu, not sure if I am the right person to do that. > > Given the time constraints we only have room for one more speaker at most. The purpose of the 15-minute segments is not so much to compare the ones demonstrated to each other, but rather to highlight what makes distributions unique and how they are similar. The suggestion to combine Ubuntu and Debian was because Ubuntu is based on Debian, to make room for someone talking about SuSE. But it's not a big deal either way; in fact, maybe someone could talk about Kororaa/Gentoo instead. With hundreds of distros out there, we know we won't please everyone, but the intent is to help describe the concept of the distro and to give people an idea what to look for in picking one that's right for them. >Putting together an "Exhibitor" list for submission to Plum Communication. The follow people have expressed an interest in working the booth as exhibitors: > > No comment. - Evan PS: CLUE (booth 704) will be offering free digital certificates (through CaCert.org) and key-signing throughout the show. We will also be working with a number of open source user groups to educate visitors about the attempt by the new government's plan to re-establish a new copyright bill entrenching DRM. I'd still like GTALUG to be part of this coalition if that's possible. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 23 06:00:35 2006 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 01:00:35 -0500 Subject: FC5 In-Reply-To: <4421EBC3.7090105-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <4421EBC3.7090105@telly.org> Message-ID: <000601c64e3f$1a8dbac0$0405a8c0@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Fedora Core 5 is out; although rumor has it that the fc5 kernel breaks non-GPL modules. RedHat has released a fix. http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=14009 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pwa.linux-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 23 13:34:14 2006 From: pwa.linux-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (PW Armstrong) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:34:14 -0500 Subject: new/old motherboard, new problems? In-Reply-To: <44098DB1.1080406-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <43FB5841.2070409@gmail.com> <20060221204336.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43FBCAA6.5020809@sympatico.ca> <43FD1CDE.7020200@gmail.com> <44098DB1.1080406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4422A3D6.8070702@gmail.com> Gee, nobody had any insight/ideas on this, or did I miss a reply? Lenn, you usually have some insight into this kind of stuff. (I know, I know, it's old stuff). Any suggestion is appreciated. Thx. -Peter PW Armstrong wrote: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TLUG]: new motherboard, new problems? Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 07:53:05 -0500 From: PW Armstrong To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Well, here's some insight, I think the problem is a conflict between > my kvm switch (a Black Box 'personal servswitch') and the new > motherboard, is this possible? I have a windows box (running xp) and > my linux box hooked up to this switch, and when my mouse goes wonky, > if I switch over to the windows box and then back to linux, it fixes > itself. Does the mouse ever go wonky on the windows box? Sometimes > it seems to jump, but then fixes itself. > > any idea on this? > > may not have anything to do with the motherboard, I guess, but it > wasn't ever a problem before I switched in the new motherboard. > > -Peter > > > > > PW Armstrong wrote: > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: new motherboard, new problems? > Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:24:30 -0500 > From: PW Armstrong > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > >> Hey guys, thx for your all your suggestions, I will try them one by >> one and let you know what works. >> >> I think I'll start first by upgrading to the current mozilla version, >> and see if that makes any difference. >> >> And Lenn, I know I should upgrade the os, just have to do my own >> research and pick one to upgrade to. But that's not a quick fix(!). >> >> -peter >> >> >> John Moniz wrote: >> >>> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 01:13:21PM -0500, PW Armstrong wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> installed a new motherboard a while back (OK, OK, it's not new, >>>>> but's it's new to my old computer) >>>>> had some problems with monitor/graphics card settings, which I >>>>> fixed with help from lenn (actually, there wasn't a problem, I >>>>> just decided to ignore/not check the monitor settings, and assume >>>>> it was a graphics card issue, which it is was not) >>>>> >>>>> but ever since the new motherboard went in, have been having a >>>>> handful of other annoying glitches. >>>>> In order of annoyance/inconvenience: >>>>> -mouse randomly goes whacky, i.e., wanders randomly over the >>>>> screen whenever I move the mouse, rather than tracking the >>>>> physical mouse movement (actually, the vertical movement tracks >>>>> correctly, the horizontal movement goes random) >>>>> -mozilla/mozilla mail (vn 1.4.1) randomly freezes on me (never did >>>>> with the original mb) (I think the first is related to a mozilla >>>>> problem, since it always occurs when I'm accessing an e-mail or >>>>> e-mail folder from mozilla) >>>>> -when I power down, computer does not automatically shut off as it >>>>> used to, even though the 'power down' command is executed >>>>> The first 2 are fixed by rebooting. >>>>> >>>>> Oh yeah: >>>>> -running RH 8 >>>>> -motherboard: ASRock M810LMR >>>>> >>>>> Any ideas/suggestions for correcting these problems? Thx. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Perhaps your kernel is too old for the board. RH8 is after all >>>> ancient. >>>> >>>> For the mouse, check the port and protocol settings. Some >>>> motherboards >>>> require different ps2 settings (if you still use a ps2 mouse, I >>>> certainly don't, given USB is much more reliable and simpler to >>>> setup). >>>> >>>> Mozilla only ever crashes on me if I have the flashplayer plugin >>>> installed, so I just don't install that anymore. >>>> >>>> Of course your new board may be unstable, the cpu could be >>>> unstable, or >>>> the ram could be unstable, or you have a bad bios setting or a buggy >>>> bios version. >>>> >>>> For the poweroff, you normally need apm or acpi support for that, so >>>> make sure that is enabled in the bios and that the kernel knows about >>>> it, and that apmd or acpid is installed as appropriate. >>>> >>>> Len Sorensen >>>> >>> I have found on two powerdown problems very similar to yours that >>> the fix was to improve the isolation of the MB from the case. You >>> can prove that by running your entire system out of the case (can be >>> tricky to have the power cables reach the MB). Powering off may work >>> then. Anyway, I used the red washers to insulate each screw on both >>> sides of the MB. It worked - on two different MBs. >>> >>> John. >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 23 18:05:29 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:05:29 -0500 Subject: new/old motherboard, new problems? In-Reply-To: <4422A3D6.8070702-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <43FB5841.2070409@gmail.com> <20060221204336.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43FBCAA6.5020809@sympatico.ca> <43FD1CDE.7020200@gmail.com> <44098DB1.1080406@gmail.com> <4422A3D6.8070702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060323180529.GF3029@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 08:34:14AM -0500, PW Armstrong wrote: > Gee, nobody had any insight/ideas on this, or did I miss a reply? Lenn, > you usually have some insight into this kind of stuff. (I know, I know, > it's old stuff). Any suggestion is appreciated. Thx. I still stand by my opinion to avoid PS2 mice with KVMs. The PS2 mouse protocol is too screwed up to work reliably that way, unless the KVM is doing an excelent job emulating the mouse while switched away from the system (most do not do so). Perhaps there are options in linux for reinitializing the ps2 port when it detects a change on it. I just stopped using ps2 mice and went to usb instead. No problems ever. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 23 19:48:25 2006 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John M. Moniz) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:48:25 -0500 Subject: DRM causes increased battery drain on MP3 players In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4422FB89.80008@sympatico.ca> Peter wrote: > > > On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Mike Newman wrote: > >> I believe the "study" compared DRM'd WMA and AAC to vanilla MP3 files. > > > Do you believe that or did you read that in the study ? I don't think > that they are that reckless, although they are almost certainly biased. > >> And where are the cheap Vorbis players, already? > > > Don't ask me ... > > Peter The cheapest players I found that played Vorbis were a Samsung (don't have model) @ $120 and the iRiver T30 @ $120, both at Staples. John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-tZhE6lH4Esk+k03BA+Hq9g at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 23 22:07:55 2006 From: lists-tZhE6lH4Esk+k03BA+Hq9g at public.gmane.org (Oliver Meyn) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:07:55 -0500 Subject: [OT] Stuff for sale Message-ID: <44231C3B.6070403@mineallmeyn.com> Hey TLUGers, Doing some spring cleaning and have stuff that some of you might be interested in (couple of smp servers, mobos, cases). http://www.mineallmeyn.com/forsale Thanks, Oliver -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 24 02:25:26 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:25:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Intuit Software (Quickbooks etc) under Linux? Message-ID: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Is anyone aware of how well Intuit Software runs under different emulators for Windows? eg, Crossover Office, Wine, Win4Lin. Crossover Office rate it as a 'bronze' application, ie, with significant bugs. I assume that applies also to Wine. Anyone know about Win4Lin? Or other approaches to this? Thanks - Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 24 02:56:27 2006 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:56:27 -0500 Subject: Intuit Software (Quickbooks etc) under Linux? In-Reply-To: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <200603232156.27799.marc@lijour.net> On March 23, 2006 09:25 pm, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Is anyone aware of how well Intuit Software runs under different emulators > for Windows? eg, Crossover Office, Wine, Win4Lin. Fine with Crossover office for me but I have to say that I don't trust it enough due to the critical status of these files! In the past I had a problem with the download windows but it got solved. I also had a ticket with them and they cared about it. > > Crossover Office rate it as a 'bronze' application, ie, with significant > bugs. I assume that applies also to Wine. Anyone know about Win4Lin? Or > other approaches to this? > > Thanks - > Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 24 03:16:56 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:16:56 -0500 Subject: new motherboard, new problems? In-Reply-To: <43FB5841.2070409-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <43FB5841.2070409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <442364A8.40201@georgetown.wehave.net> PW Armstrong wrote: > -when I power down, computer does not automatically shut off as it used > to, even though the 'power down' command is executed > The first 2 are fixed by rebooting. See if there are relevant looking BIOS updates for that one. My A8N-E had wierd issues around reboot until I recently updated BIOS (from 1.01 to 1.11). RH8 is old and you might not get it to support your board well without a lot of hacking. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 24 03:38:37 2006 From: hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Herb Richter) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:38:37 -0500 Subject: Intuit Software (Quickbooks etc) under Linux? In-Reply-To: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <442369BD.3010905@buynet.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Is anyone aware of how well Intuit Software runs under different emulators > for Windows? eg, Crossover Office, Wine, Win4Lin. I've used Win4lin for a number of years now and have had no problems running any application with it*1 I've run and very much relied on, QuickTax by Intuit under W4L (and still Win95) ...I've heard some bad things about the new W4L that runs WinXP being way too slow. ..BTW, they have *very* good tech support via e-mail HTH, Herb... *1 except for recently, trying to install/configure an HP printer/scanner/fax/copier with WinME ...the install program would not recognize/find the printer ...a native windows driver for an older printer works fine for the printing functions. > Crossover Office rate it as a 'bronze' application, ie, with significant > bugs. I assume that applies also to Wine. Anyone know about Win4Lin? Or > other approaches to this? > > Thanks - > Peter > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEI2m9U+pQaeEFGGARAs9SAJwOzX1V7zmG/jULRUnhepn4H0HKqQCfarqx /FE4PNc8RguHvsOxBtZBiVw= =t6ix -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From transoxania-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 23 15:43:52 2006 From: transoxania-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Kamran) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:43:52 -0500 Subject: Linux World LPI Exams Message-ID: <4422C238.60201@sympatico.ca> Is there a link for registration for the Linux LPI exams at Linux World? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 24 05:07:45 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:07:45 -0500 Subject: Linux World LPI Exams In-Reply-To: <4422C238.60201-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4422C238.60201@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0603232107n30b1f283h89a2ba85a906a08f@mail.gmail.com> On 3/23/06, Kamran wrote: > Is there a link for registration for the Linux LPI exams at Linux World? Looks like you can register for exams when you register for the conference (free) or show ($50) at https://www.exporeg.com/lwnw/ -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 24 07:36:33 2006 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:36:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Intuit Software (Quickbooks etc) under Linux? In-Reply-To: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Is anyone aware of how well Intuit Software runs under different emulators > for Windows? eg, Crossover Office, Wine, Win4Lin. It runs fine under Qemu with the kqemu module loaded. We ran it for a while before going back to Sql-Ledger. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net We are open 24x365 for technical support. Call us in a crisis. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 24 14:53:28 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:53:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Intuit Software (Quickbooks etc) under Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <50090.207.188.65.194.1143212008.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> >> Is anyone aware of how well Intuit Software runs under different >> emulators >> for Windows? eg, Crossover Office, Wine, Win4Lin. > > It runs fine under Qemu with the kqemu module loaded. We ran it for a > while before going back to Sql-Ledger. This is *very* interesting. I didn't know about Qemu at all. Based on Herb's experience, I think Win4Lin sounds like a suitable and somewhat simpler approach, but I'll keep one eye on Qemu. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jschaap-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 24 16:11:01 2006 From: jschaap-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (J. Schaap) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:11:01 -0500 Subject: Intuit Software (Quickbooks etc) under Linux? In-Reply-To: <50090.207.188.65.194.1143212008.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <50090.207.188.65.194.1143212008.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <1143216661.8706.9.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 09:53 -0500, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > >> > >> Is anyone aware of how well Intuit Software runs under different > >> emulators > >> for Windows? eg, Crossover Office, Wine, Win4Lin. > > > > It runs fine under Qemu with the kqemu module loaded. We ran it for a > > while before going back to Sql-Ledger. > > This is *very* interesting. I didn't know about Qemu at all. Based on > Herb's experience, I think Win4Lin sounds like a suitable and somewhat > simpler approach, but I'll keep one eye on Qemu. > > Peter > > The new Win4Lin is based on qemu. It runs 2000, XP. I'm using the unstable version of kqemu and qemu cvs. XP is a lot faster with the unstable kqemu than with kqemu stable version. Perhaps a 300% increase in speed. JS -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 24 19:01:56 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:01:56 -0500 Subject: Intuit Software (Quickbooks etc) under Linux? In-Reply-To: <1143216661.8706.9.camel@localhost> References: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <50090.207.188.65.194.1143212008.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1143216661.8706.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <44244224.2080006@georgetown.wehave.net> J. Schaap wrote: > The new Win4Lin is based on qemu. It runs 2000, XP. I'm using the > unstable version of kqemu and qemu cvs. XP is a lot faster with the > unstable kqemu than with kqemu stable version. Perhaps a 300% increase > in speed. Interesting timing, I just got some spam for win4lin today, they say "running Windows on Pro is now actually faster than running it native on a PC" ... hmmm, I had always assumed it would be slow running under qemu but I could be wrong. Are you using win4lin or just qemu, are things performing well after 300% increase or still too slow? I just bought a new PC and it came with XP Home so I'm toying with the idea of putting XP into a VM rather than leaving it on it's own dedicated partition. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 25 00:25:41 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:25:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Vista and the Creeping Feature Creature Message-ID: <50557.207.188.65.194.1143246341.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> It appears that Microsoft Vista has been consumed by the creeping feature creature. http://www.forbes.com/technology/2006/03/22/vista-microsoft-ballmer_cz_dl_0322microsoft.html -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jschaap-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 25 03:39:31 2006 From: jschaap-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (J. Schaap) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 22:39:31 -0500 Subject: Intuit Software (Quickbooks etc) under Linux? In-Reply-To: <44244224.2080006-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <50090.207.188.65.194.1143212008.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1143216661.8706.9.camel@localhost> <44244224.2080006@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <1143257971.22923.4.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 14:01 -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: > J. Schaap wrote: > > > The new Win4Lin is based on qemu. It runs 2000, XP. I'm using the > > unstable version of kqemu and qemu cvs. XP is a lot faster with the > > unstable kqemu than with kqemu stable version. Perhaps a 300% increase > > in speed. > > Interesting timing, I just got some spam for win4lin today, they say > "running Windows on Pro is now actually faster than running it native on > a PC" ... hmmm, I had always assumed it would be slow running under qemu > but I could be wrong. > > Are you using win4lin or just qemu, are things performing well after > 300% increase or still too slow? > > I just bought a new PC and it came with XP Home so I'm toying with the > idea of putting XP into a VM rather than leaving it on it's own > dedicated partition. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml I'm using qemu cvs with kqemu-1.3.0pre3 unstable. Can only be used with cvs. Kqemu-0.72 is too slow. Not scientific but timed from mouse click or enter until XP sound starts. XP Loading time: 20 seconds against more than a minute. Firefox loading time: 3 seconds against 50 seconds. Programs seem to run normal except, (I have a user and administrator mode) switching from user to administrator the system becomes useless. Best thing is to reboot to administrator or user. No problems then. I'm using Mandriva 2006.0 on an AMD Athlon 2000+ and 1.5G of memory. Qemu is setup to use 384M. I never used XP (or any other Windows) on my box(es). Can't judge on that speed difference. What I've experienced with qemu cvs you could put in on a VM. I ran XP on VMWare-Player (384M) and it took 40 sec. to load. Firefox 5 second. Double the time of qemu. The image I used comes from my Dell notebook while the qemu image was installed from a XP cd. Interesting to see in system properties a Dell Inspiron running on an AMD Athlon 2000+ I never used XP on the notebook. When new booted from a Linux dvd and installed Mandriva. after I made images from the 3 partitions. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 25 08:28:15 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:28:15 +0000 Subject: Vista and the Creeping Feature Creature In-Reply-To: <50557.207.188.65.194.1143246341.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50557.207.188.65.194.1143246341.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <4424FF1F.6050007@zen.co.uk> As a user from an operating system and software the most important features I want are. 1 Switch on computer 2. Log in 3. Check / send mail 4 Write any letters, or other documents in software that just lets me do that, no paperclip help nonsense, load it up and do what I need. 5. Save and store documents and get them back when needed 6. perhaps listen to music or watch movies. 7 Communicate with friends 8. Log out I do not want to worrry about, virus, spyware, or security holes, nor do I want any features that simply get in the way and take up system resources that are better used on the jobs I want to do. I am sure many users feel the same way. And more importantly emplyers who want people productive not wasting their time swapping notes on their favorite web sites. A combo of Linux / X.org / KDE / Mozilla suite / Open office / Xchat let me do this, at zero cost, well ok a few pence to get a cd, Why should I fork out ?100+ on vista, then ?400 on office pro (database in office pro), when the above does it at low cost, plus I can get support from the developers who will fix problems quickly, and say "thank you, properly" if I come up with an idea for a feature. If anyone reading this has any doubts about if open source / free software can hack it, then look at the above. I do not have any big computer qualifications either and I managed to installl all the above on my own with little help, The open source / free software community has the chance to capitalise on this screw up by Microsoft. Lets go for it, Best of Luck with your Linux conference booth, I would be inclined to get a decent spec Computer, and demonstrate what it can do. Oh yeah and switching is instant on my box because the button for that just does it, rather than using what seems to be a nice animation MS use in Vista, more code, more bloat more things to break, oh and it needs more processing power to do animation, duh, There are open source versions of Exchange too, I don't need you Microsoft, your 20th century, face it. Paul phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >It appears that Microsoft Vista has been consumed by the creeping feature >creature. > >http://www.forbes.com/technology/2006/03/22/vista-microsoft-ballmer_cz_dl_0322microsoft.html > > > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 25 08:50:18 2006 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 03:50:18 -0500 Subject: Vista and the Creeping Feature Creature In-Reply-To: <4424FF1F.6050007-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <50557.207.188.65.194.1143246341.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4424FF1F.6050007@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060325035018.0989f9a1.tleslie@tcn.net> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:28:15 +0000 Paul Sutton wrote: > As a user from an operating system and software the most important > features I want are. > > 1 Switch on computer > 2. Log in > 3. Check / send mail > 4 Write any letters, or other documents in software that just lets me do > that, no paperclip help nonsense, load it up and do what I need. > 5. Save and store documents and get them back when needed > 6. perhaps listen to music or watch movies. > 7 Communicate with friends > 8. Log out > (somewhat already) and in a few years, what you have detailed here is called a typical .............. cell phone ! :) and yeah, it better be linux and FLOSS, at least thats the way its looking. -tl > I do not want to worrry about, virus, spyware, or security holes, nor > do I want any features that simply get in the way and take up system > resources that are better used on the jobs I want to do. > > I am sure many users feel the same way. And more importantly emplyers > who want people productive not wasting their time swapping notes on > their favorite web sites. > > A combo of > > Linux / X.org / KDE / Mozilla suite / Open office / Xchat let me do > this, at zero cost, well ok a few pence to get a cd, Why should I > fork out ?100+ on vista, then ?400 on office pro (database in office > pro), when the above does it at low cost, plus I can get support from > the developers who will fix problems quickly, and say "thank you, > properly" if I come up with an idea for a feature. > > If anyone reading this has any doubts about if open source / free > software can hack it, then look at the above. I do not have any big > computer qualifications either and I managed to installl all the above > on my own with little help, > > The open source / free software community has the chance to capitalise > on this screw up by Microsoft. Lets go for it, Best of Luck with your > Linux conference booth, I would be inclined to get a decent spec > Computer, and demonstrate what it can do. > > Oh yeah and switching is instant on my box because the button for that > just does it, rather than using what seems to be a nice animation MS use > in Vista, more code, more bloat more things to break, oh and it needs > more processing power to do animation, duh, > > There are open source versions of Exchange too, > > I don't need you Microsoft, your 20th century, face it. > > Paul > > > > > phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > >It appears that Microsoft Vista has been consumed by the creeping feature > >creature. > > > >http://www.forbes.com/technology/2006/03/22/vista-microsoft-ballmer_cz_dl_0322microsoft.html > > > > > > > > > -- > http://www.zleap.net > http://www.openoffice.org > http://www.linux.org > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version 3.1 > GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- > O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- > DI! D++ G e H! r! z? > > -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 25 18:47:23 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:47:23 +0200 (IST) Subject: Vista and the Creeping Feature Creature In-Reply-To: <50557.207.188.65.194.1143246341.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50557.207.188.65.194.1143246341.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: > It appears that Microsoft Vista has been consumed by the creeping feature > creature. > > http://www.forbes.com/technology/2006/03/22/vista-microsoft-ballmer_cz_dl_0322microsoft.html I think that they are elaborating a kind of Potemkin village. Pritty from a bird's eye view but you better not look behind the facade. And god help you if you push or nundge it a little. For who needs to look it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 25 19:27:28 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:27:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: local store with ADSL filters, cheap? Message-ID: I'm setting up Sympatico ADSL in a house with a lot of phones. For each phone you need to place a filter between the phone and the jack. Sympatico includes four filters in the kit. I need a few extra filters. The ADSL modem has to be turned off if the unfiltered phones are to be used -- otherwise (a) there is a screach on the phone and (b) the internet connection gets dropped). Even if an unfiltered phone isn't being used ("off hook"), it supposedly reduces the achievable ADSL bandwidth. The Sympatico person could not order extra filters for me because my account was in some transition state that the ordering system didn't like. When I do order them, they will cost 7.95 each plus shipping and handling (I think). The delay would be annoying. Does anyone know a good place to buy filters? I would prefer to pick them up now rather than order them (I don't want to pay for delivery and I don't want to wait). Very few places seem to sell filters. Here's what I've found via google: - ATS http://www.ats-systems.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=1340537 + 2.95 each + $9.95 delivery (if order is under $100), "next day" + cannot pick up, even though they are in Toronto - New Angle http://cgi.ebay.ca/Lot-50-ADSL-DSL-modem-phone-line-filters-Q-TY_W0QQitemZ9702990436QQcategoryZ73318QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem + 50 filters, mixed condition, under C$50 + US$11 Shipping and Handling + cannot pick up, even though they are in Oakville - Expansys http://www.expansys.ca/product.asp?code=112634&sbadd=112635 + $4.95 each + $26.00 shipping (UPS standard) -celtech-5B4nrvX5xvI at public.gmane.org http://www.buysell.com/root/detail/Ontario/Computer_Modems_amp_Networking/726/7/49055349/ALCATEL_SPEEDSTREAM_EFFICIENT_NETWORKS.aspx + $5.00 each + perhaps a private sale. Unknown quantity available. - Greytech (My current first choice) http://www.accountwizard.com/clients/shop.asp?Web=greytech&AW_SessionID=AWEngine2006000001056555915159155k15k915dId5k15k915eSite2e42d642N&page=item&itemid=2012 + $3.95 (according to their web store) + local store (Markham) + not open weekends. Was closed yesterday too ("for renovations") -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 25 20:04:42 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:04:42 -0500 Subject: local store with ADSL filters, cheap? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4425A25A.5050802@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I'm setting up Sympatico ADSL in a house with a lot of phones. For > each phone you need to place a filter between the phone and the jack. > Sympatico includes four filters in the kit. If you don't mind doing a bit of minor rewiring, you can get by with only one filter. Modern home phone cables have 3 pairs in them. Simply connect the incoming line to the 2nd or 3rd pair. Then use one filter between that pair and the 1st, which is connected to all the phones. You can even get filters with lugs, on them, instead of RJ11 connectors, so that you can install the filter behind a wall jack. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 25 20:08:38 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:08:38 -0500 Subject: local store with ADSL filters, cheap? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200603251508.39148.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Saturday 25 March 2006 14:27, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I'm setting up Sympatico ADSL in a house with a lot of phones. For > each phone you need to place a filter between the phone and the jack. > Sympatico includes four filters in the kit. > > I need a few extra filters. The ADSL modem has to be turned off if > the unfiltered phones are to be used -- otherwise (a) there is a > screach on the phone and (b) the internet connection gets dropped). > Even if an unfiltered phone isn't being used ("off hook"), it > supposedly reduces the achievable ADSL bandwidth. > > The Sympatico person could not order extra filters for me because my > account was in some transition state that the ordering system didn't > like. When I do order them, they will cost 7.95 each plus shipping > and handling (I think). The delay would be annoying. Call Bell after the next thunderstorm and tell them that you require new ones due to a localised lightning strike. They will send new ones without problems. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca On-Site Computer Services - Available 24/7 Earn your service for FREE! Ask about our referral program. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 25 20:13:10 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:13:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: DRM causes increased battery drain on MP3 players In-Reply-To: <4422FB89.80008-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4422FB89.80008@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, John M. Moniz wrote: | From: John M. Moniz | Peter wrote: | > On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Mike Newman wrote: | > > And where are the cheap Vorbis players, already? | The cheapest players I found that played Vorbis were a Samsung (don't have | model) @ $120 and the iRiver T30 @ $120, both at Staples. The iRiver T30 uses "media transfer protocol". My impression is that this is a protocol cobbled together by Microsoft for its PaysForSure(TM) brand. Apparently some folks have had some success hacking gphoto to support it. Just say no. Too bad. iRiver used to be a good brand for Linux users. The scariest thing is that a firmware upgrade would change an MP3 player from Linux friendly to Linux hostile (as I understand it). Sanyo might be better. I don't know. Factory Direct has some specials on refurb MP3 players at the moment. Some of their Samsungs do Ogg. Do check specs before buying. Avoid PlaysForSure(tm) unless you can tell that the device works as "USB Storage" (most PlaysForSure(tm) devices don't, but I think that the branding does allow it). http://www.factorydirect.ca/email_html/MP30321.htm I think that their cheapest player that claims to do Ogg is $69.99. In the last few weeks the retail price of flash memory cards seems to have gone down to half the traditional price. Perhaps it is more like: the same money often buys you twice as much flash. I suspect that MP3 players might go through a similar change shortly. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 25 20:18:56 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:18:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux World Canada Show task list. In-Reply-To: <20060322230853.31590.qmail-57gzaD/7YRGB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060322230853.31590.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: | From: Colin McGregor | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Colin: what mailer are you using? It is lying about the character encoding. There are characters in your text that are not iso-8859-1. Where did these characters come from? | - Candy - Some munchies for booth volunteers \226 | - 2.25\224 pin back badges - some with GTALug | - Banner. Is Gordon Chillcott\222s design ok? Here are some lines, with the offending characters expressed as octal escapes. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 25 20:32:52 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:32:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: CLUE at Linux World [was Re: Linux World Canada Show task list.] In-Reply-To: <4421EBC3.7090105-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060322230853.31590.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4421EBC3.7090105@telly.org> Message-ID: | From: Evan Leibovitch | PS: CLUE (booth 704) will be offering free digital certificates (through | CaCert.org) and key-signing throughout the show. This kind of thing is best done with participants who come prepared. Have you a write-up describing the cacerts.org certs? Uses, limitations, strengths, best practices? This stuff is a bit tricky. http://www.cacert.org/ is not very helpful. http://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=19 looks to be a little better. Have you a write-up for the keysigning? What kind of keys (gpg, I assume)? What protocol (and why, so people know what parts are important)? What ID should folks bring? Should they bring copies of their key signature preprinted for handing out? | We will also be working | with a number of open source user groups to educate visitors about the | attempt by the new government's plan to re-establish a new copyright | bill entrenching DRM. Very important! What you are planning sounds great! I would certainly hope that TLUG members realize how important this stuff is and support it. GTALUG too. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 25 20:50:59 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:50:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Intuit Software (Quickbooks etc) under Linux? In-Reply-To: <44244224.2080006-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <50090.207.188.65.194.1143212008.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1143216661.8706.9.camel@localhost> <44244224.2080006@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: | From: Fraser Campbell | I just bought a new PC and it came with XP Home so I'm toying with the idea of | putting XP into a VM rather than leaving it on it's own dedicated partition. I've not tried a Microsoft Windows emulator. There are times when one might be useful. I've always assumed that they were more problematic than useful. I have always assumed that: - the damn WinXP that is bundled with brand-name machines that I've bought is not generic -- it is set up for the hardware I bought. One hint is that it comes on a "restoration disk" or, more recently, a "hidden" restoration partition. - an MS Windows emulator emulates particular peripherals, usually not those on the actual hardware. - the installed or restored MS Windows would not run on the emulated hardware. - so a new copy of MS Windows needs to be purchased to run under the emulator Is my concern correct or is there a good way to run bundled WinXP under and emulator? The best way, as far as I'm concerned, would be if I could run the pre-installed WinXP, in its existing partition, under an emulator. Additional complexity: two of my three such machines are AMD64s running Linux natively but the WinXP installations are 32-bit versions. Is this a problem? PS: restoring WinXP always clobbers the whole disk. WinXP restoration will not allow any existing partitions to be retained. Reminds me of some of the nature shows showing cow bird chicks (hatched from eggs snuck into other birds nests by the mother) throwing other chicks out of the nest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_Bird -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 25 21:47:08 2006 From: leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org (Leah Cunningham) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:47:08 -0500 Subject: Please stop spamming this list with Microsoft related messages Message-ID: <200603251647.08986.leah@frauerpower.com> I almost never post a message like this, and I apologize to those this does not apply to. I am really getting fed up with "Look what Microsoft has done now that is stupid" (or even not stupid) type posts to this mailing list, which is supposed to be a mailing list for a group of Linux users. This is not related to the subject of this list, and entirely irrelevant to a group of Linux users. If you want to complain about Microsoft, please go join a "Microsoft haters anonymous" or even a regular "Microsoft users group" and keep your issues in that community. Or go bother the OSX people. But leave the poor Linux users alone. I will not be replying to this message. My intent is not to start a flame war, but knowing this list, one will likely result. If you don't like flame wars, please don't reply. Don't reply even if you agree with me. Please take this as a comment from a user (and GTALUG admin) and come to your own conclusions. Something had to be said. If you really want to take issue with me for this post, talk to me in person. Leah PS: Maybe we can create a microsoft-abuse-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org mailing list if people really want. -- Leah Cunningham : d416-585-9971x692 : d416-703-5977 : m416-559-6511 Frauerpower! Co. : www.frauerpower.com : Toronto, ON Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 25 22:13:31 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:13:31 -0500 Subject: CLUE at Linux World [was Re: Linux World Canada Show task list.] In-Reply-To: References: <20060322230853.31590.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4421EBC3.7090105@telly.org> Message-ID: <4425C08B.8080509@telly.org> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >| From: Evan Leibovitch > >| PS: CLUE (booth 704) will be offering free digital certificates (through >| CaCert.org) and key-signing throughout the show. > >This kind of thing is best done with participants who come prepared. > > In the works. Would you like to help us take a stab at it? - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 25 22:16:06 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:16:06 -0500 Subject: local store with ADSL filters, cheap? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4425C126.4080505@utoronto.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I'm setting up Sympatico ADSL in a house with a lot of phones. For > each phone you need to place a filter between the phone and the jack. > Sympatico includes four filters in the kit. > > I need a few extra filters. The ADSL modem has to be turned off if > the unfiltered phones are to be used -- otherwise (a) there is a > screach on the phone and (b) the internet connection gets dropped). > Even if an unfiltered phone isn't being used ("off hook"), it > supposedly reduces the achievable ADSL bandwidth. > > The Sympatico person could not order extra filters for me because my > account was in some transition state that the ordering system didn't > like. When I do order them, they will cost 7.95 each plus shipping > and handling (I think). The delay would be annoying. > > Does anyone know a good place to buy filters? I would prefer to pick > them up now rather than order them (I don't want to pay for delivery > and I don't want to wait). Very few places seem to sell filters. > > Here's what I've found via google: > > - ATS http://www.ats-systems.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=1340537 > + 2.95 each > + $9.95 delivery (if order is under $100), "next day" > + cannot pick up, even though they are in Toronto > > - New Angle > http://cgi.ebay.ca/Lot-50-ADSL-DSL-modem-phone-line-filters-Q-TY_W0QQitemZ9702990436QQcategoryZ73318QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > + 50 filters, mixed condition, under C$50 > + US$11 Shipping and Handling > + cannot pick up, even though they are in Oakville > > - Expansys http://www.expansys.ca/product.asp?code=112634&sbadd=112635 > + $4.95 each > + $26.00 shipping (UPS standard) > > -celtech-5B4nrvX5xvI at public.gmane.org > http://www.buysell.com/root/detail/Ontario/Computer_Modems_amp_Networking/726/7/49055349/ALCATEL_SPEEDSTREAM_EFFICIENT_NETWORKS.aspx > + $5.00 each > + perhaps a private sale. Unknown quantity available. > > - Greytech (My current first choice) > http://www.accountwizard.com/clients/shop.asp?Web=greytech&AW_SessionID=AWEngine2006000001056555915159155k15k915dId5k15k915eSite2e42d642N&page=item&itemid=2012 > > + $3.95 (according to their web store) > + local store (Markham) > + not open weekends. Was closed yesterday too ("for renovations") Above All Surplus at Bloor and Bathurst has them for around $5 (could be $7, its been 1.5 years or so since I purchased mine there). Not sure if that is close enough, nor am I sure about their Sunday hours. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 25 23:38:25 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:38:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Please stop spamming this list with Microsoft related messages In-Reply-To: <200603251647.08986.leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200603251647.08986.leah@frauerpower.com> Message-ID: <20060325233825.14349.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Leah Cunningham wrote: > I almost never post a message like this, and I > apologize to those this does not apply to. Basically I agree, the only time the Microsoft name should come up is in issues that have a VERY DIRECT link to Linux. This is not in the Microsoft is doing something stupid type thing or how badly Microsoft software sucks, but, well let me offer a small example that has been on my back burner for a while. I am somewhat fond of some Microsoft mice and keyboards. I have a Microsoft "Wireless Optical Mouse 2.0". From the documentation I gather there is a Microsoft program that can tell you the battery state in the mouse. In other words with the regular mouse movement/click information the mouse is also transmitting some sort of battery state information. Does anyone know if there is software already written that will tell me mouse battery state on my Linux box? Barring that is their documentation on how a Microsoft box tells the mouse battery state? A VERY low priority project, but it would be nice to take full advantage of my hardware under Linux. It would be neat every 5 months or so to get a "This is your mouse e-mailing you. It is time to change the batteries." message :-) . Anyone suggesting a Microsoft software solution MAY get hurt, badly :-) . > I am really getting fed up with "Look what Microsoft > has done now that is > stupid" (or even not stupid) type posts to this > mailing list, which is > supposed to be a mailing list for a group of Linux > users. This is not > related to the subject of this list, and entirely > irrelevant to a group of > Linux users. > > If you want to complain about Microsoft, please go > join a "Microsoft haters > anonymous" or even a regular "Microsoft users group" > and keep your issues in > that community. Or go bother the OSX people. But > leave the poor Linux users > alone. > > I will not be replying to this message. My intent > is not to start a flame > war, but knowing this list, one will likely result. > If you don't like flame > wars, please don't reply. Don't reply even if you > agree with me. Please > take this as a comment from a user (and GTALUG > admin) and come to your own > conclusions. > > Something had to be said. If you really want to > take issue with me for this > post, talk to me in person. > > Leah > > PS: Maybe we can create a microsoft-abuse-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org > mailing list if people > really want. > -- > Leah Cunningham : d416-585-9971x692 : d416-703-5977 > : m416-559-6511 > Frauerpower! Co. : www.frauerpower.com : Toronto, ON > Canada > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 00:50:09 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 02:50:09 +0200 (IST) Subject: Please stop spamming this list with Microsoft related messages In-Reply-To: <20060325233825.14349.qmail-7EKNVtTItHqB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060325233825.14349.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Anyone suggesting a Microsoft software solution MAY > get hurt, badly :-) . Leah is right, it was my mistake. Since there are no blueprints for Potemkin villages you get to make your own map ;-) More seriously, ms has a way to improve protocols. I also use a ms mouse (wired, optical), but it should be labeled Agilent and Cypress I think (I looked inside). So a pretty good guess would be to find the datasheets of your OEM mouse (never mind what's written outside). That would be the first step towards writing an open source driver. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 01:04:05 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:04:05 -0800 Subject: Please stop spamming this list with Microsoft related messages In-Reply-To: <200603251647.08986.leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200603251647.08986.leah@frauerpower.com> Message-ID: On 3/25/06, Leah Cunningham wrote: > I almost never post a message like this, and I apologize to those this does > not apply to. > > I am really getting fed up with "Look what Microsoft has done now that is > stupid" (or even not stupid) type posts to this mailing list, which is > supposed to be a mailing list for a group of Linux users. This is not > related to the subject of this list, and entirely irrelevant to a group of > Linux users. I agree that this thread headed clearly "over the line," but have to point out that there an excellent reason to consider there to be considerable ambiguity as to what *is* appropriate. The trouble is that "the line" is ambiguously broad. The root cause is that "Linux" is, to a degree, whatever anyone interprets it to be. There is the strict definition, by which "Linux" is an operating system kernel written by Linus Torvalds and a cast of thousands. If that be the definition, then anything not about the kernel isn't a proper topic. After all, Bash isn't part of Linux, nor is X11, Emacs, TeX, OpenOffice.org, GNOME, KDE, or anything of the like. Under that definition, my talk next month is "out of scope," as the software I'll be speaking of is neither related to the Linux kernel nor licensed under the same license. (Actually, I'm somewhat uncomfortable with the GPL bias that there is in some of the GTALUG publicity material; it is decidedly inconsistent with the notion of "inclusiveness" which I'm about to get to...) There is, of course, another rather more inclusive definition of Linux. This is that of the notion of "Linux distributions," which consist of the Linux kernel as well as a boatload of other software, of widely varying interest, under widely varying licenses. In order to distinguish FreeBSD from Linux, we really need to head back to the "strict constructivist" definition, where Linux is the kernel, not the assembly of parts under other names/licenses. Unfortunately, once you head down the road of being interested in, say, OpenOffice.org, it is very easy for anything *forcibly* identifiable with Linux to be forgotten. -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 02:33:37 2006 From: dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org (Dominic Bonfiglio) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:33:37 -0500 Subject: Please stop spamming this list with Microsoft related messages In-Reply-To: References: <200603251647.08986.leah@frauerpower.com> Message-ID: <4425FD81.3080309@gmx.de> Christopher Browne wrote: > There is, of course, another rather more inclusive definition of > Linux. This is that of the notion of "Linux distributions," which > consist of the Linux kernel as well as a boatload of other software, > of widely varying interest, under widely varying licenses. In order > to distinguish FreeBSD from Linux, we really need to head back to the > "strict constructivist" definition, where Linux is the kernel, not the > assembly of parts under other names/licenses. > > Unfortunately, once you head down the road of being interested in, > say, OpenOffice.org, it is very easy for anything *forcibly* > identifiable with Linux to be forgotten. > -- > > nice post. i know that most of my questions for TLUG have had to do with distros and open source software configurations, which strictly speaking, as Christopher points out, have nothing to do with the linux kernel. do other subscribers think that such questions are inappropriate for this list? if so, i am happy to direct such questions elsewhere and would be grateful for good alternative lists and forums. thanks, dominic -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 04:29:20 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:29:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Intuit Software (Quickbooks etc) under Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <50090.207.188.65.194.1143212008.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1143216661.8706.9.camel@localhost> <44244224.2080006@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <50146.207.188.65.194.1143347360.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > - the damn WinXP that is bundled with brand-name machines that I've > bought is not generic -- it is set up for the hardware I bought. > One hint is that it comes on a "restoration disk" or, more recently, > a "hidden" restoration partition. > > - an MS Windows emulator emulates particular peripherals, usually not > those on the actual hardware. > > - the installed or restored MS Windows would not run on the emulated > hardware. > > - so a new copy of MS Windows needs to be purchased to run under the > emulator > > Is my concern correct or is there a good way to run bundled WinXP > under and emulator? > > The best way, as far as I'm concerned, would be if I could run the > pre-installed WinXP, in its existing partition, under an emulator. > What is the incentive for running XP? Why not simply run Win 2000 or 98? (Assuming that you have the Windows install disks.) If the laptop hardware is standard enough to run Linux, wouldn't it be standard enough to run these older Windows operating systems? Certainly, Win 2000 and 98 will run something like Intuit Quickbooks, because many firms are still using those operating systems. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 04:59:29 2006 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:59:29 -0500 Subject: DRM causes increased battery drain on MP3 players In-Reply-To: References: <4422FB89.80008@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <44261FB1.2010700@sympatico.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, John M. Moniz wrote: > >| From: John M. Moniz > >| Peter wrote: >| > On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Mike Newman wrote: > >| > > And where are the cheap Vorbis players, already? > >| The cheapest players I found that played Vorbis were a Samsung (don't have >| model) @ $120 and the iRiver T30 @ $120, both at Staples. > >The iRiver T30 uses "media transfer protocol". My impression is that >this is a protocol cobbled together by Microsoft for its >PaysForSure(TM) brand. Apparently some folks have had some success >hacking gphoto to support it. Just say no. > >Too bad. iRiver used to be a good brand for Linux users. The >scariest thing is that a firmware upgrade would change an MP3 player >from Linux friendly to Linux hostile (as I understand it). > >Sanyo might be better. I don't know. > >Factory Direct has some specials on refurb MP3 players at the moment. >Some of their Samsungs do Ogg. Do check specs before buying. Avoid >PlaysForSure(tm) unless you can tell that the device works as "USB >Storage" (most PlaysForSure(tm) devices don't, but I think that the >branding does allow it). > >http://www.factorydirect.ca/email_html/MP30321.htm > >I think that their cheapest player that claims to do Ogg is $69.99. > >In the last few weeks the retail price of flash memory cards seems to >have gone down to half the traditional price. Perhaps it is more >like: the same money often buys you twice as much flash. I suspect >that MP3 players might go through a similar change shortly. > > > I think the iRiver T30 MX uses the media transfer protocol, but I didn't think the T30 did. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 04:59:51 2006 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:59:51 -0500 Subject: local store with ADSL filters, cheap? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44261FC7.9070204@sympatico.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >I'm setting up Sympatico ADSL in a house with a lot of phones. For >each phone you need to place a filter between the phone and the jack. >Sympatico includes four filters in the kit. > >I need a few extra filters. The ADSL modem has to be turned off if >the unfiltered phones are to be used -- otherwise (a) there is a >screach on the phone and (b) the internet connection gets dropped). >Even if an unfiltered phone isn't being used ("off hook"), it >supposedly reduces the achievable ADSL bandwidth. > >The Sympatico person could not order extra filters for me because my >account was in some transition state that the ordering system didn't >like. When I do order them, they will cost 7.95 each plus shipping >and handling (I think). The delay would be annoying. > >Does anyone know a good place to buy filters? I would prefer to pick >them up now rather than order them (I don't want to pay for delivery >and I don't want to wait). Very few places seem to sell filters. > Have you dropped in to a Bell World store? If you're a Sympatico subscriber, they are liable to let you have a few extra filters for free. I have done it that way in the past, but not sure if they still do it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 04:59:58 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:59:58 -0800 Subject: Please stop spamming this list with Microsoft related messages In-Reply-To: <4425FD81.3080309-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org> References: <200603251647.08986.leah@frauerpower.com> <4425FD81.3080309@gmx.de> Message-ID: On 3/25/06, Dominic Bonfiglio wrote: > Christopher Browne wrote: > > There is, of course, another rather more inclusive definition of > > Linux. This is that of the notion of "Linux distributions," which > > consist of the Linux kernel as well as a boatload of other software, > > of widely varying interest, under widely varying licenses. In order > > to distinguish FreeBSD from Linux, we really need to head back to the > > "strict constructivist" definition, where Linux is the kernel, not the > > assembly of parts under other names/licenses. > > > > Unfortunately, once you head down the road of being interested in, > > say, OpenOffice.org, it is very easy for anything *forcibly* > > identifiable with Linux to be forgotten. > > > nice post. i know that most of my questions for TLUG have had to do > with distros and open source software configurations, which strictly > speaking, as Christopher points out, have nothing to do with the linux > kernel. do other subscribers think that such questions are inappropriate > for this list? if so, i am happy to direct such questions elsewhere and > would be grateful for good alternative lists and forums. Well there are commonly mailing lists specific to one piece of software or another. I'm active in the PostgreSQL community; there are *very* active and useful mailing lists there, and if people have relevant questions, I'd certainly point them in that direction. But I think you're missing the point a little. I don't think the "strict constructionist" argument (where Linux == "kernel") is either what GTALUG is about or that it would work to so narrowly focus the spectrum of what is acceptable on the list. I don't have a good "strict" answer as to what is appropriate. The trouble is that I'm not sure there is a good "strict" answer. I think that implies that the "roads to take" will long be an ambiguous matter. We'll periodically have folks like Leah and Colin legitimately griping when people *clearly* step too far away from the road... "What should we do in response to what's up with MSFT Vista?" is a legitimate enough question. Alas, it is tempting people to simply get into dung-flinging fights. To *my* mind, the answer is: Nothing. It sorta looks like a probable failure. If you think you need to do something, then some answers that seem relevant are things like the following - Try out GNOME search-related projects like Beagle, Dashboard, Storage - Try KDE Kat, Tenor or such (KDE equivalents) - See what's up with KDE Plasma (intended to be kinda akin to Apple Aqua) - See what's up with GNOME and KDE equivalents to Apple Rendezvous (which is a way for hosts to do start-with-zero-knowledge auto-discovery of local network services) - Find ways to use dbus Sending in a meaningful bug report on any of these sorts of things is what will make them usable, and that seems to me to be the most effective "nail" to put in Vista's coffin. Mind you, none of this is "strict constructivist Linux kernel" stuff :-). Nobody has said word one on this list about these sorts of things, and they're the "neat new stuff" that people are working on that are, in at least some cases, what Microsoft is cloning to get parts of Vista. -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 05:22:41 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:22:41 -0500 Subject: Intuit Software (Quickbooks etc) under Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <50090.207.188.65.194.1143212008.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1143216661.8706.9.camel@localhost> <44244224.2080006@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <44262521.5090101@georgetown.wehave.net> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I have always assumed that: > > - the damn WinXP that is bundled with brand-name machines that I've > bought is not generic -- it is set up for the hardware I bought. > One hint is that it comes on a "restoration disk" or, more recently, > a "hidden" restoration partition. > > - an MS Windows emulator emulates particular peripherals, usually not > those on the actual hardware. > > - the installed or restored MS Windows would not run on the emulated > hardware. > > - so a new copy of MS Windows needs to be purchased to run under the > emulator > > Is my concern correct or is there a good way to run bundled WinXP > under and emulator? I expect you are correct. My story ... I received no media with the computer and was told I should create a recovery CD. I inserted a blank DVD+RW and I'm told it's not blank even though it is, I then put in a blank DVD+R and after 4 hours it's still claiming to be finalizing the DVD but the DVD lights are no longer on and there's no appearance of activity otherwise. I kill the process and the DVD is a coaster, I try again same thing and get another coaster. I install ubuntu, shrinking the Windows partition from 200 Gb to 30 something Gb and try again, another coaster. There is a windows install partition in addition to the actual system partition, I assume if I back that up I should be safe enough. If I cannot figure out how to install it into a VM or reinstall it into a smaller partition at a future date then I will find a pirated copy and install that using my completely valid serial number. More so though I'm hoping that I will have no need for Windows, I've done without it since 1995 so that shouldn't change ... I thought it might be nice to have in case there's ever some windows related troubleshooting I need to do. > The best way, as far as I'm concerned, would be if I could run the > pre-installed WinXP, in its existing partition, under an emulator. > > Additional complexity: two of my three such machines are AMD64s > running Linux natively but the WinXP installations are 32-bit > versions. Is this a problem? I'm in exactly the same situation, one AMD64, one dual core AMD64 :-) I don't know this for sure but it sounds like qemu can run XP. I expect that you will need a 64bit version of qemu but that it should be able to run 32bit windows (it is emulating hardware after all ... and even if not AMD64 can natively execute 32bit). > PS: restoring WinXP always clobbers the whole disk. WinXP restoration > will not allow any existing partitions to be retained. Reminds me of > some of the nature shows showing cow bird chicks (hatched from eggs > snuck into other birds nests by the mother) throwing other chicks out > of the nest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_Bird Reminds me of cow dung, windows is such utter crap. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 06:56:56 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:56:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Intuit Software (Quickbooks etc) under Linux? In-Reply-To: <50146.207.188.65.194.1143347360.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <50090.207.188.65.194.1143212008.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1143216661.8706.9.camel@localhost> <44244224.2080006@georgetown.wehave.net> <50146.207.188.65.194.1143347360.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: | From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org | What is the incentive for running XP? Well I don't run it often at all. On the machine on which I'm typing this, I've used it to: 1) update the BIOS (in the vain hope of fixing an APIC setup problem) 2) try to reverse engineer the driver for a peripheral not yet unsupported on LINUX. (Attempt currently suspended.) 3) update Windows. (Talk about self-justification.) | Why not simply run Win 2000 or 98? Oh, that's what you meant :-) WinXP is what I have a licence for. I certainly don't want to buy another MS Windows licence, of any version. As a general rule, I don't violate copyright. I don't want two copies of MS Windows on my machine. I already have a WinXP partition. So I'd like to use this partition and its contents as the resource base for emulation. I'd like to share data files between the native and emulated MS Windows instances. Another (admittedly theoretical) reason to choose WinXP over older version is that more new software assumes WinXP. Under an emulator, Win2000 or Win98 would probably work. Neither is supported on the actual hardware of my machines. That ought to be enough reasons :-) Having said all that, I don't really care very much to run MS Windows on a virtual machine. If someone else figures it out, and it easy, I might try it. (One reason is to allow us to run quickbooks under Linux.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 08:18:22 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:18:22 +0200 (IST) Subject: Please stop spamming this list with Microsoft related messages In-Reply-To: References: <20060325233825.14349.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I apologize if I said inappropriate things here. It all started when I posted a link to an article saying bg compared the new tablet pc offering of his firm with the $100 MIT laptop-for-every-child. That laptop runs Linux and is intended for mass production for the 3rd world. Its page is here: http://laptop.org/ The thread was started by my dismay at bg comparing a $100 minimally-built appliance style laptop with his new $600 to $900 tablet pc which does not exist yet. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 13:12:15 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 08:12:15 -0500 Subject: Please stop spamming this list with Microsoft related messages In-Reply-To: References: <20060325233825.14349.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1143378735.4319.25.camel@spot1.localhost.com> I don't agree. Micro$oft is a predatory company and any information relevant to their strategies are relevant to the Linux effort. The few members who want to close their eyes and hope Micro$oft goes away are probably still supported by their parents somehow and don't feel the financial 'squeeze' the Micro$oft influence presents. My understanding was that TLUG represents "Toronto Linux User Group". If all but the regular list server posters comments are subject to intense ridicule then change the group name to "World Wide Linux Elitist Club" and limit access to the list server to the self proclaimed "princes" of Linux. RickT http://www.TorontoNUI.ca On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 10:18 +0200, Peter wrote: > I apologize if I said inappropriate things here. It all started when I > posted a link to an article saying bg compared the new tablet pc > offering of his firm with the $100 MIT laptop-for-every-child. That > laptop runs Linux and is intended for mass production for the 3rd world. > Its page is here: > > http://laptop.org/ > > The thread was started by my dismay at bg comparing a $100 > minimally-built appliance style laptop with his new $600 to $900 tablet > pc which does not exist yet. > > Peter > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- http://www.TorontoNUI.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 15:42:29 2006 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:42:29 -0600 Subject: local store with ADSL filters, cheap? In-Reply-To: <4425C126.4080505-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4425C126.4080505@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4426B665.2080807@golden.net> Jamon Camisso wrote: > D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> I'm setting up Sympatico ADSL in a house with a lot of phones. For >> each phone you need to place a filter between the phone and the jack. >> Sympatico includes four filters in the kit. If you can get access to where the line comes in you can filter the entire line with one filter. For years I have one DSL filter for my entire house as well as the line goes through a surge suppressor. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 15:09:56 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:09:56 -0500 Subject: Intuit Software (Quickbooks etc) under Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <50090.207.188.65.194.1143212008.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1143216661.8706.9.camel@localhost> <44244224.2080006@georgetown.wehave.net> <50146.207.188.65.194.1143347360.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <4426AEC4.5060907@utoronto.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > Having said all that, I don't really care very much to run MS Windows on a > virtual machine. If someone else figures it out, and it easy, I might > try it. (One reason is to allow us to run quickbooks under Linux.) The current release of Xen is supposed to allow WinXP to run as an unmodified guest os on CPUs with virtualization technologies such as Intel's Vanderpool (P4 662 or 672), Silvervale (Vanderpool for servers available this fall), or AMD's Pacifica (available this spring supposedly). Wikipedia has an entry for Virtualization Technology listing in what Intel chips you'll find VT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtualization_technology Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 17:20:37 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:20:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Zen and Virtualization [was Re: Intuit Software (Quickbooks etc) under Linux?] In-Reply-To: <4426AEC4.5060907-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <50090.207.188.65.194.1143212008.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1143216661.8706.9.camel@localhost> <44244224.2080006@georgetown.wehave.net> <50146.207.188.65.194.1143347360.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4426AEC4.5060907@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: | From: Ivan Avery Frey | The current release of Xen is supposed to allow WinXP to run as an unmodified | guest os on CPUs with virtualization technologies such as Intel's Vanderpool | (P4 662 or 672), Silvervale (Vanderpool for servers available this fall), or | AMD's Pacifica (available this spring supposedly). Yes. The most attractive available CPUs with "VT" (as Intel calls it) are the 9xx series of Pentium Ds. But the machines I have with WinXP licences are all AMD. None have virtualization hardware. Zen can utilize VT to do virtualization of an unmodified WinXP. But that WinXP probably has to use the devices that Zen simulates. [Educated Guess Mode] If you think that virtualizing a CPU is hard, try (self-)virtualizing a video card. It is easy to provide a virtual video card, but it is hard to provide a virtual video card identical to the native one. Multiply that by all the kinds of video cards available -- each is a separate puzzle to crack; few have open specifications. So I'm pretty sure that Xen must provide a virtual video card, one that matches a particular real video card that is well-known, old, simple, and unaccelerated. The host OS (machine 0) would have native access to the hardware. But I don't think that WinXP can fulfill that function and even if it could, I would not use it as such. So: I don't think that the pre-installed WinXP has a hope of actually being used in a virtual machine where the host OS in Linux. Unless WinXP is willing to see many of the devices change between boots (video, ethernet at least). | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtualization_technology wikipedia is a great resource. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mikehill-yqNZbDEBI9QAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 17:53:03 2006 From: mikehill-yqNZbDEBI9QAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Hill) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:53:03 -0500 Subject: Please stop spamming this list with Microsoft related messages In-Reply-To: <1143378735.4319.25.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <20060325233825.14349.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1143378735.4319.25.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <1143395583.2191.311.camel@dilbert.hgeng.com> On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 08:12 -0500, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > I don't agree. Micro$oft is a predatory company and any information > relevant to their strategies are relevant to the Linux effort. I have to agree with Rick. This list and Slashdot are the places I look for information about combatting MS FUD, which is unfortunately a big part of my job. Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 18:32:44 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:32:44 +0100 Subject: Please stop spamming this list with Microsoft related messages In-Reply-To: <1143395583.2191.311.camel-hSSUUFrJ1eHKo1lsMQEj1AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <20060325233825.14349.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1143378735.4319.25.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1143395583.2191.311.camel@dilbert.hgeng.com> Message-ID: <4426DE4C.4050008@zen.co.uk> So what are we going to do to capitalise on the fact that Micro$oft's latest offering is late. ? Paul > >I have to agree with Rick. This list and Slashdot are the places I look >for information about combatting MS FUD, which is unfortunately a big >part of my job. > >Mike > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 20:41:37 2006 From: right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org (Amos H. Weatherill) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:41:37 -0500 Subject: Please stop spamming this list with Microsoft relatedmessages In-Reply-To: <1143378735.4319.25.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <1143378735.4319.25.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: Rick Tomaschuk Wrote: I don't agree. Micro$oft is a predatory company and any information relevant to their strategies are relevant to the Linux effort. The few members who want to close their eyes and hope Micro$oft goes away are probably still supported by their parents somehow and don't feel the financial 'squeeze' the Micro$oft influence presents. My understanding was that TLUG represents "Toronto Linux User Group". If all but the regular list server posters comments are subject to intense ridicule then change the group name to "World Wide Linux Elitist Club" and limit access to the list server to the self proclaimed "princes" of Linux. [snip] I Definately Agree with you on this point. Leah did make a good suggestion, after you strip all the vitrol off it. Create a mailing list for the Microsoft related stuff and let people decide for themselves if they want to subscribe to it. That way everyone should be happy. I personally would be a subscriber to this proposed list, not because I hate Microsoft but because I have to live with their products and make them work with Linux. Signed. Amos H. Weatherill ___________________________________________________________ Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. http://www.yahoo.co.uk/blackberry -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rheaton-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 22:10:30 2006 From: rheaton-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Russ Heaton) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:10:30 -0500 Subject: Please help. Problem configuring X on Dell Optiplex GX260 RH 7.3 Message-ID: Hi, I'm having trouble configuring X on a new install of RH 7.3 on a Dell Optiplex GX 260. Xconfigurator seems to know that the monitor is a Samsung Syncmaster 570v TFT so that part is probably Ok, but I think the problem is with the graphics controller. I have no idea what graphics controller or chipset is in this machine. I DO know that it's integrated on the motherboard and it is *probably* Intel. Other than that I don't think can provide any more details. Alternatively, would it be better to just get a low-end (I don't need 3D graphics) PCI or AGP board? If this is the case, could you recommend one? Any help in getting me pointed in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Russ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 22:14:05 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:14:05 -0500 Subject: Please help. Problem configuring X on Dell Optiplex GX260 RH 7.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4427122D.8070803@rogers.com> Russ Heaton wrote: > Hi, > > I'm having trouble configuring X on a new install of RH 7.3 on a > Dell Optiplex GX 260. Why are you using such an ancient disto? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From transoxania-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 22:25:10 2006 From: transoxania-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Kamran) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:25:10 -0500 Subject: Please help. Problem configuring X on Dell Optiplex GX260 RH 7.3 In-Reply-To: <4427122D.8070803-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4427122D.8070803@rogers.com> Message-ID: <442714C6.2080102@sympatico.ca> James Knott wrote: > Russ Heaton wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm having trouble configuring X on a new install of RH 7.3 on a >> Dell Optiplex GX 260. > > Why are you using such an ancient disto? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > try this link. check out what he says for graphics. http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Dell_OptiPlex000.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 22:54:48 2006 From: leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org (Leah Cunningham) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:54:48 -0500 Subject: MS Mailing List created for GTALUG Message-ID: <200603261754.48688.leah@frauerpower.com> Since there was at least one person who seemed genuinely interested in an alternative list to discuss MS issues not technically related to Linux Integration, etc. One has been created. See http://lists.gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/ms to subscribe. -- Leah Cunningham : d416-585-9971x692 : d416-703-5977 : m416-559-6511 Frauerpower! Co. : www.frauerpower.com : Toronto, ON Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 26 23:22:25 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:22:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Please stop spamming this list with Microsoft relatedmessages In-Reply-To: References: <1143378735.4319.25.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <50001.207.188.65.194.1143415345.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> As one of the people who has posted these articles (actually, pointers to the articles), I've given some thought to Leah's email. Her request does seem a bit familiar: When I was a kid, we had big family discussions over dinner and from time to time my mom would pronounce that a particular topic was 'Not of General Interest'. What that really meant was that it wasn't of *her* interest. (She also forbade discussion of family plans at the dinner table. I have no idea why.) There have been a number of topics posted in this forum that are not 'Directly Linux specific'. For example, Hugh posted information about the upcoming lecture on Copyright by Michael Geist. Hugh has spent enough time with the members of this group that he thought the information would be of interest. I found that very useful and I'll be attending the lecture. I suggest that limiting the discussion to, say, 'Why the sound on my mobo won't work under Linux' is not the way to go. Reasons: (a) Mom couldn't just delete a particular dinner table conversational thread, she had to sit through it. But readers of this group can recognise that a topic is not of their interest and delete the offending emails. (Remember how people used to gripe about 'wasted bandwidth'? You don't hear that phrase any more...) (b) Based on my knowledge of this group, I suggest that digressions and off-topic posts are, within limits, quite acceptable. For example, the most recent Tlug meeting was essentially nothing *but* digression. I thought it entertaining and informative. The specific email that I posted related to the featurization of XP. My view is that the evolution of software in general is of interest to Linux developers. The Creaping Feature Creature is a real issue, not only in XP, but also the current generation of Linux desktops. Are more buttons better? Not necessarily. Maybe even 'probably not'. All that said, if there is a general concensus that so-called off-topic posts are verboten - and we can all agree what is 'on topic' - I'm prepared to hue to that. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 02:24:52 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:24:52 -0500 Subject: Please stop spamming this list with Microsoft related messages In-Reply-To: <4426DE4C.4050008-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <20060325233825.14349.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1143378735.4319.25.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1143395583.2191.311.camel@dilbert.hgeng.com> <4426DE4C.4050008@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060327022452.GA16558@waltdnes.org> On Sun, Mar 26, 2006 at 07:32:44PM +0100, Paul Sutton wrote > So what are we going to do to capitalise on the fact that Micro$oft's > latest offering is late. ? Nothing really. I think it may be a deliberate, and very smart, move on Microsoft's part. As time goes on, the "base model" PC gets more and more bells and whistles as part of the base package. Today's base models will run Vista in "classic" mode, which might get people to ask "Why bother upgrading?". For instance, look at http://www.dell.ca for home and small office desktops. The Dimension 3100 starts at $649. It comes with 256 megs of ram and integrated video. To get to an "optimal" 2 gigs of ram, you're looking at an extra $350. A DRM-compliant video card (are they even available yet???) would be extra on top of that. So a base model "Vista machine" will cost 60% to 70% more than a linux machine. My 1999 Dell, with 128 megs of ram and a 450 mhz PIII is now my emergency backup machine. Except for internet TV, and working on 2560x1920 digital photos in Gimp, it's perfectly capable of handling everything else. The Dimension 3100 with 2.8ghz P4 and 256 megs of ram would be great for everything except really heavy duty stuff. At http://www.pcused.com a 700 mhz PIII Dell with 128 megs of ram is $149, minus $20 if you ask for no OS. Getting back to Microsoft's delay, the first big Vista blitz will be in the fall of 2007 back-to-school sales. I think they'll be pressuring all their OEM customers to make 2 gigs and DRM-compliant video part of the base model by the summer of 2007. This way, there won't be a gaping price disparity between "Windows machines" and "linux machines". Think of it as yet another "Windows Tax". I think that when Vista is released, the "$100 computer" will finally happen. It'll be a Windows computer being dumped by someone upgrading to Vista. Think of all the shiney almost-new toys we'll be able to buy at bargain-basement prices. It'll be like Christmas for linux users. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 04:24:16 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:24:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux World Canada Show meeting. Message-ID: <20060327042416.95532.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> There will be a short meeting Monday March 27 at 6:00 PM to review were things stand regarding the Linux World Canada show. As a number of people involved in the meeting will be going on to the GTALug board meeting, the meeting is a bit earlier than normal (6:00 PM vs. the normal 7:00 PM). As for location, since the board meeting is to be near Yonge & Finch I figured the best plan would be to meet at the Finch Subway Station's "Kiss & Ride" passenger drop-off location. We will then head over to a cheap food joint near by and then those of us going to the board meeting will go on to see the board meeting. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 04:39:51 2006 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:39:51 -0500 Subject: Please stop spamming this list with Microsoft relatedmessages In-Reply-To: <50001.207.188.65.194.1143415345.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <1143378735.4319.25.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <50001.207.188.65.194.1143415345.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > All that said, if there is a general concensus that so-called off-topic > posts are verboten - and we can all agree what is 'on topic' - I'm > prepared to hue to that. I've not had a problem with the topics appearing in this list. I just ignore the ones not of interest to me. But, I would have a problem if fewer interesting topics came up. The topics that come up depend on the interests and judgements of the contributors. These common interests (with a slant toward Linux) is, IMHO, the real draw of this list. Given the modest volume of the list, it is working. If the volumes were higher, I'd certainly agree that staying "on-topic" would be essential to maintaining order. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 05:23:11 2006 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 00:23:11 -0500 Subject: Please stop spamming this list with Microsoft relatedmessages In-Reply-To: References: <1143378735.4319.25.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <50001.207.188.65.194.1143415345.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20060327002311.27d37a19.tleslie@tcn.net> I agree, with the volume here (on list) ... there can be plenty of latitude. -tl > > Given the modest volume of the list, it is working. If the volumes > were higher, I'd certainly agree that staying "on-topic" would be > essential to maintaining order. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 07:41:07 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:41:07 +0100 Subject: Please help. Problem configuring X on Dell Optiplex GX260 RH 7.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44279713.4080404@zen.co.uk> http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/desktops/0,39023845,10001560,00.htm This review (see link above) reveals that this computer has intel extreme graphics chipset, also has a AGP slot and Dell offer ATI graphics solutions While this link http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/cs-010512.htm?iid=graphics+845main& has advice on Linux related issues. Hope this helps Paul Russ Heaton wrote: >Hi, > > I'm having trouble configuring X on a new install of RH 7.3 on a >Dell Optiplex GX 260. Xconfigurator seems to know that the monitor is >a Samsung Syncmaster 570v TFT so that part is probably Ok, but I >think the problem is with the graphics controller. I have no idea >what graphics controller or chipset is in this machine. I DO know >that it's integrated on the motherboard and it is *probably* Intel. >Other than that I don't think can provide any more details. > >Alternatively, would it be better to just get a low-end (I don't need >3D graphics) PCI or AGP board? If this is the case, could you >recommend one? > >Any help in getting me pointed in the right direction would be greatly >appreciated. > >Thanks in advance, > >Russ >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 14:55:23 2006 From: hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Herb Richter) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:55:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: March 28th. NewTLUG meeting: PCLinuxOS, Simply MEPIS and other Distribution discussion (reminder) Message-ID: Due to the continuing strike at Seneca... This month's NewTLUG meeting will be held Tues Mar 28th., at the IBM offices 3600 Steeles Ave E. -- Important -- all attendees will be required to have a security badge. Badges should be prepared in advance. If you plan to attend, please send your name to Paul (off-list at ) preferably, before Monday Mar 27. ...and please be sure to return badges to the front reception at the end of the session. Date: Mar 28, 2006 Time: 7:00 to 10:00pm Presenter: Geoff Mitchell Geoff having spent years in the Windows world has recently switched to Linux and will share his experience searching for a comfortable Linux distribution and demonstrate some of the features that he found important. Topic 1: PCLinuxOS as well as Simply MEPIS are considered to be two of the easiest Linux distributions to install and use by former Windows-only now new Linux users. Both require little or no command line configuration - just "point and click" a few times :-) Geoff says of PCLinuxOS: "It is the most complete "off the [installation] mark" distribution that I have ever installed. It takes a minimum of setup -- the installation is really quite automated. In that sense the installation is pretty straightforward, even easier than Windows. After installation it's ready to use." Topic 2: - lots of time for Q&A - more planning and discussion re our meeting next month to be held at Linux World. - discussion as to the content tone and message we would like to present at this very public forum. Thanks: to Paul for helping NewTLUG not only by arranging for a room and hosting our meetings at IBM but also with looking after the badges. Badges: please email Paul Mora to pre-register Location: IBM offices 3600 Steeles Ave East, north side of Steeles at Pharmacy/Esna Park (between Victoria Park and Warden) http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?mapdata=nGCyq1371PhhgCmx6Z%2b1cDMK7StVSEOC8pv6WLEwpPl4J5csVKolXMC1br3AveG47eAtFWeuZ%2bwJ2KM5Oq7LBuLnoWwdmj0b8XrxuhJWdRt2Mc4gVOIEVqcICHRlLm6XTuuZzJMzAZAf3OoErhbEoEZ9FStAjnRb7vrPmDxfzc6Dkdp3pAlh6ZFovnxcYwyt1e0eUfOZpFdN4rspAMvur8zk2XOMgoEZ6s2G1gxGZI6fILrLIfssN9UqLRPAuYnV84Fbwn7amW8Y%2fM6NeCfvcJVGtRhNNBCahqzxnGwYk6G9JBDVKNwGC7biOuwnI5nkx95wKeq%2brOPhXzRb4XSHbA%3d%3d (sorry for the wrap) Directions: Meet at the front entrance well before 7:00pm (6:30 recommended) to pickup your ID badge. At about 7:00 we'll be escorted to the auditorium. Some provision will be made for anyone arriving a little late. Parking: Parking is available in the visitor parkade from 6:00pm to 11:00pm. -- Herb Richter Toronto, Ontario http://PartsAndService.com http://PartsAndService.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 15:31:54 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:31:54 -0500 Subject: Intuit Software (Quickbooks etc) under Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <50090.207.188.65.194.1143212008.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1143216661.8706.9.camel@localhost> <44244224.2080006@georgetown.wehave.net> <50146.207.188.65.194.1143347360.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <1143473514.4428056a85bf1@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting "D. Hugh Redelmeier" : > | From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org > > | What is the incentive for running XP? > > Well I don't run it often at all. On the machine on which I'm typing > this, I've used it to: > > 1) update the BIOS (in the vain hope of fixing an APIC setup problem) > > 2) try to reverse engineer the driver for a peripheral not yet > unsupported on LINUX. (Attempt currently suspended.) > > 3) update Windows. (Talk about self-justification.) > > > | Why not simply run Win 2000 or 98? > > Oh, that's what you meant :-) > > WinXP is what I have a licence for. I certainly don't want to buy > another MS Windows licence, of any version. As a general rule, I > don't violate copyright. > > I don't want two copies of MS Windows on my machine. I already > have a WinXP partition. So I'd like to use this partition and its > contents as the resource base for emulation. I'd like to share data > files between the native and emulated MS Windows instances. > > Another (admittedly theoretical) reason to choose WinXP over older > version is that more new software assumes WinXP. > > Under an emulator, Win2000 or Win98 would probably work. Neither is > supported on the actual hardware of my machines. > > That ought to be enough reasons :-) > > Having said all that, I don't really care very much to run MS Windows on a > virtual machine. If someone else figures it out, and it easy, I might > try it. (One reason is to allow us to run quickbooks under Linux.) This probably won't solve your problems, but an alternative to using Quickbooks is 2ndSite (www.secondsite.biz). This is a Toronto based start-up that offers web-based invoicing so there's no worry about running Windows. It's pretty good if you have a set of recurring clients, but not so good for one time customers. A lot of their users migrate from Quickbooks and even offer some importing features. It might be worth checking out, great customer support too. Just a thought. Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 16:06:40 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:06:40 +0100 Subject: accounts software Message-ID: <44280D90.7000408@zen.co.uk> Has anyone tried GNUCash for accounting software, I mentioned this as a current thread is quickbooks, it may offer a solution to a Linux based accounts package. Paul -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 16:08:46 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:08:46 -0500 Subject: Intuit Software (Quickbooks etc) under Linux? In-Reply-To: <50146.207.188.65.194.1143347360.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <50090.207.188.65.194.1143212008.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1143216661.8706.9.camel@localhost> <44244224.2080006@georgetown.wehave.net> <50146.207.188.65.194.1143347360.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20060327160846.GA16774@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 11:29:20PM -0500, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > What is the incentive for running XP? Why not simply run Win 2000 or 98? > (Assuming that you have the Windows install disks.) If the laptop hardware > is standard enough to run Linux, wouldn't it be standard enough to run > these older Windows operating systems? > > Certainly, Win 2000 and 98 will run something like Intuit Quickbooks, > because many firms are still using those operating systems. As long as you don't need security fixed (I guess you can just not have internet access on the machine) then that is an OK solution. I for one intend to do my taxes with paper, a calculator and a pen and pencil. I might try that spreadsheet someone posted a link to a little while ago. It is really simple, and doesn't take very long. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 16:32:44 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:32:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Intuit Software (Quickbooks etc) under Linux? In-Reply-To: <20060327160846.GA16774-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <50235.207.188.65.194.1143167126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <50090.207.188.65.194.1143212008.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1143216661.8706.9.camel@localhost> <44244224.2080006@georgetown.wehave.net> <50146.207.188.65.194.1143347360.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20060327160846.GA16774@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <50778.207.188.65.194.1143477164.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Len Sorensen wrote: > I for one intend to do my taxes with paper, a calculator and a pen and > pencil. I might try that spreadsheet someone posted a link to a little > while ago. It is really simple, and doesn't take very long. It's quite feasible to do personal income taxes by hand. Corporate taxes are a different story. The forms themselves aren't that long, but they are complicated. The guides tell the story - they are over a hundred pages in length. You *can* do corporate taxes by hand and many people do it, but it's not simple. Intuit have a corporation tax program that could help with this and apparently it interfaces with Quickbooks. Other accounting alternatives do not so far as I know have a corporation tax program. It would be nice to see Linux versions of these programs, but I'm not hopeful for the near future. Linux must have a much larger percentage of office and small business systems for a company like Intuit to produce a Linux version of their software. Incidentally, for anyone starting a business: the requirement for filing a Federal and Provincial corporation tax form, plus maintaining the necessary accounts, is one reason to avoid forming a corporation. It's much simpler to operate as a sole proprietorship if you can. (There are some other reasons to form a corporation - limited liability may be an issue.) Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 16:54:08 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:54:08 +0000 Subject: accounts software In-Reply-To: <44280D90.7000408-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <44280D90.7000408@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: On 3/27/06, Paul Sutton wrote: > Has anyone tried GNUCash for accounting software, I mentioned this as a > current thread is quickbooks, it may offer a solution to a Linux based > accounts package. There is a scaling challenge with GnuCash, as well as an auditing challenge. 1. If you have a lot of transactions, the register widgets will have a tough time coping with this. I'd prefer that it had a full scale DBMS on the backend (e.g. - PostgreSQL); adding that wouldn't fix this bottleneck. 2. It has a similar "you can change old data" disease to Quicken. Auditors don't like the way you can change elderly transactions, that the system doesn't require you to create adjusting entries rather than modifying the old data. I'd not be real keen on using it for a business of "interesting size" due to these two things... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 17:40:59 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:40:59 -0500 Subject: Book on Bash Message-ID: <20060327174059.GB17346@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> I'm looking for a good book on BASH. Titles on my short list: Learning the Bash shell, ISBN: 0596009658 >From Bash to Z Shell: Conquering the Command Line, ISBN: 1590593766 Linux Shell Scripting with Bash, SBN: 0672326426 Can anyone offer reviews or other recommendations? -- Neil Watson | Gentoo Linux System Administrator | Uptime 23 days http://watson-wilson.ca | 2.6.11.4 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ x 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 18:04:40 2006 From: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org (Scott C. Ripley) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:04:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: Book on Bash In-Reply-To: <20060327174059.GB17346-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <20060327174059.GB17346@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ On Mon, 27 Mar 2006, Neil Watson wrote: > I'm looking for a good book on BASH. Titles on my short list: > > Learning the Bash shell, ISBN: 0596009658 >> From Bash to Z Shell: Conquering the Command Line, ISBN: 1590593766 > Linux Shell Scripting with Bash, SBN: 0672326426 > > Can anyone offer reviews or other recommendations? > > -- Scott C. Ripley phone: (416)738-6357 www: http://www.scottripley.com email: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Secure Your E-Mail! http://www.mysecuremail.com/javascrypt/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 16:30:31 2006 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:30:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: accounts software In-Reply-To: <44280D90.7000408-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <44280D90.7000408@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Mar 2006, Paul Sutton wrote: > Has anyone tried GNUCash for accounting software, I mentioned this as a > current thread is quickbooks, it may offer a solution to a Linux based > accounts package. Are you looking for person accounts or business accounts? For business, we're very happy with SQL-Ledger. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net We are open 24x365 for technical support. Call us in a crisis. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 20:39:33 2006 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:39:33 -0500 Subject: online donation sites Message-ID: <44284D85.8090505@xtrinsic.com> Hey everyone, My Google-fu is weak today, so I thought I'd check in here for a hand... I'm trying to find Web sites which specialise in processing on-line donations for registered charities in Canada. At this point I'm considering using PayPal (even though it's off the mark, it is easy to integrate into CMSes), or maybe CanadaHelps (www.canadahelps.org), but I thought I'd check to see if anyone knew of other sites. I seem to recall there were more, but as I mentioned above, my Google-fu is weak today... regards, emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin, B.Sc. Founder, xtrinsic phone: (519) 371-2665 web: www.xtrinsic.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 20:42:53 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:42:53 +0000 Subject: Book on Bash In-Reply-To: <20060327174059.GB17346-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <20060327174059.GB17346@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On 3/27/06, Neil Watson wrote: > I'm looking for a good book on BASH. Titles on my short list: > > Learning the Bash shell, ISBN: 0596009658 > From Bash to Z Shell: Conquering the Command Line, ISBN: 1590593766 > Linux Shell Scripting with Bash, SBN: 0672326426 > > Can anyone offer reviews or other recommendations? I have the latter two... "From Bash to Z Shell" is really particularly good if you're interested in zsh. It's the only book on the market with decent zsh coverage. If what you're after is Bash, Ken Burtch's book is pretty good. It's a bit weak on the "wild globbing" (which is what zsh is really famed for), but decently motivates usage of Bash for scripting a variety of kinds of activities. That's the Bash reference I keep handy... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 20:54:13 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:54:13 -0500 Subject: Book on Bash In-Reply-To: References: <20060327174059.GB17346@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20060327205413.GC17346@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:04:40PM -0600, Scott C. Ripley wrote: > >http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ That's a great reference. Thanks. -- Neil Watson | Gentoo Linux System Administrator | Uptime 23 days http://watson-wilson.ca | 2.6.11.4 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ x 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 21:12:17 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:12:17 -0500 Subject: OT: Oklahoma city threatens to call FBI over 'renegade' Linux maker Message-ID: <44285531.10205@pppoe.ca> The perils of opensource... "I am computer literate! I have 22 years in computer systems engineering and operation..." Read on, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/24/tuttle_centos/ and http://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=127 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 21:33:09 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:33:09 -0500 Subject: Book on Bash In-Reply-To: <20060327174059.GB17346-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <20060327174059.GB17346@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <1143495190.30596.7.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 12:40 -0500, Neil Watson wrote: > I'm looking for a good book on BASH. Titles on my short list: > > Learning the Bash shell, ISBN: 0596009658 > >From Bash to Z Shell: Conquering the Command Line, ISBN: 1590593766 > Linux Shell Scripting with Bash, SBN: 0672326426 > > Can anyone offer reviews or other recommendations? Well, there's a lot of useless Bash books on the market. If you're looking for one that has realistic and practical examples, background information and history, and how to make the most of Bash, I hope you'll consider my book. I'm also on this list and I can offer you help with any questions. Andrew Pollack describes my book as a "rare find" and a "must-have" for Linux developers (http://www.thenorth.com/APBLOG4.nsf/Threaded/C1DF55A1F3321BD185257131004521CB). Ken B. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 21:43:59 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:43:59 -0500 Subject: Book on Bash In-Reply-To: References: <20060327174059.GB17346@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <1143495839.30596.18.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 20:42 +0000, Christopher Browne wrote: > On 3/27/06, Neil Watson wrote: > > I'm looking for a good book on BASH. Titles on my short list: > > > > Learning the Bash shell, ISBN: 0596009658 > > From Bash to Z Shell: Conquering the Command Line, ISBN: 1590593766 > > Linux Shell Scripting with Bash, SBN: 0672326426 > > > > Can anyone offer reviews or other recommendations? > > I have the latter two... > > "From Bash to Z Shell" is really particularly good if you're > interested in zsh. It's the only book on the market with decent zsh > coverage. > > If what you're after is Bash, Ken Burtch's book is pretty good. It's > a bit weak on the "wild globbing" (which is what zsh is really famed > for), but decently motivates usage of Bash for scripting a variety of > kinds of activities. That's the Bash reference I keep handy... Ah, you and you're crazy globbing. :-) If you mean custom command completions, that's zsh's specialty. Maybe more coverage in the next edition. The problem with completions is I haven't found a lot of examples on the web nor have I needed it personally. It's hard to think of practical examples to show its usefulness. KB -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 22:18:25 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:18:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: CD Duplication using Linux In-Reply-To: <20060320202258.GA3029-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <50346.207.188.65.194.1142555088.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20060316195949.3870537d.tleslie@tcn.net> <20060320202258.GA3029@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | It looks like the PX750A is one of the first where the drive is simply a | premade drive with different firmware. It certainly lacks many plextor | features their other drives have. The PX755 and 760 as well as the | older 740 all have the full qcheck and other plextools features, which | the 750 does not have most of them. Plextor at least used to make drive | mechanisms. They may have stopped by now. Most of the current drives | use sanyo chipsets with plextors own firmware to drive the controller, | and of course their own case design. According to http://www.cdrlabs.com/reviews/index.php?reviewid=272&page=Intro the PX-740A is "based loosely on the BenQ DW1640". People say it looks the same. The BenQ 1640 is highly thought of (I have no personal opinion -- remember, I claim that too much of this is superstition). I bring this up now because there is what appears to be a good deal on the PX-740UF at Tiger Direct right now. This is the external model, with USB-2.0 and Firewire interfaces. $154.97 with two rebates (C$50 and US$40). Here's a review of this model http://www.cdrlabs.com/reviews/index.php?reviewid=281 I expect that Linux can handle this either with USB or Firewire. Is there an advantage to either one of these? I've heard it suggested that the firewire protocol is more efficient in some way. I suspect both use SCSI commands but with a different transport layer. I'm tempted but all my new machines seem to come with DVD writers. | I would certainly skip the PX750. The 740 and 760 are both very nice | drives, and they do have features no one else has. Software features don't interest me since they are generally tied to MS Windows. The review does not call out any hardware feature differences between the Plextor 740a and the BenQ 1640. In fact, they seemed to go out of their way to not compare the 740 with the BenQ, almost as if a bit embarrassed. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 27 22:36:54 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:36:54 -0500 Subject: CD Duplication using Linux In-Reply-To: References: <50346.207.188.65.194.1142555088.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20060316195949.3870537d.tleslie@tcn.net> <20060320202258.GA3029@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20060327223654.GB16774@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 05:18:25PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > According to > http://www.cdrlabs.com/reviews/index.php?reviewid=272&page=Intro > the PX-740A is "based loosely on the BenQ DW1640". People say it looks > the same. The BenQ 1640 is highly thought of (I have no personal > opinion -- remember, I claim that too much of this is superstition). They may still have different firmware. Not sure. > I bring this up now because there is what appears to be a good deal on > the PX-740UF at Tiger Direct right now. This is the external model, > with USB-2.0 and Firewire interfaces. $154.97 with two rebates (C$50 > and US$40). Here's a review of this model > http://www.cdrlabs.com/reviews/index.php?reviewid=281 > > I expect that Linux can handle this either with USB or Firewire. Is > there an advantage to either one of these? I've heard it suggested > that the firewire protocol is more efficient in some way. I suspect > both use SCSI commands but with a different transport layer. Both should work, although I suspect the firewire is the more reliable, and certainly faster/more efficient one. > I'm tempted but all my new machines seem to come with DVD writers. > > Software features don't interest me since they are generally tied to > MS Windows. The review does not call out any hardware feature > differences between the Plextor 740a and the BenQ 1640. In fact, they > seemed to go out of their way to not compare the 740 with the BenQ, > almost as if a bit embarrassed. There are utilities being worked on to use the special features of the plextor drives. Certainly things like gigarec and such are supported under linux already. qcheck is being worked on. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 28 00:49:20 2006 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:49:20 -0600 Subject: OT: Oklahoma city threatens to call FBI over 'renegade' Linux maker In-Reply-To: <44285531.10205-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <44285531.10205@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <44288810.7050304@golden.net> Meng Cheah wrote: > The perils of opensource... > > "I am computer literate! I have 22 years in computer systems > engineering and operation..." > > Read on, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/24/tuttle_centos/ > and http://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=127 > -- After a crappy day trying to fix a blown head on my truck, this made my day. Hey this isn't off topic is it ? :-) John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 28 00:12:14 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:12:14 -0500 Subject: Book on Bash In-Reply-To: <20060327205413.GC17346-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <20060327174059.GB17346@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <20060327205413.GC17346@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <1143504734.1287.0.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 15:54 -0500, Neil Watson wrote: > On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:04:40PM -0600, Scott C. Ripley wrote: > > > >http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ > > That's a great reference. Thanks. It covers less than half the material of my book. "Advanced" is a bit of an overstatement. But it might be just what you are looking for. Ken B. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 28 01:37:34 2006 From: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org (Scott C. Ripley) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:37:34 -0500 Subject: Book on Bash In-Reply-To: <1143504734.1287.0.camel-sLtTAFnw5m7xXJQZHMdDwiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060327174059.GB17346@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <20060327205413.GC17346@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <1143504734.1287.0.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: <200603272037.34486.scott@scottripley.com> maybe you would like to post a .pdf version of your book... as a special marketing promotion for TLUG members? On Monday 27 March 2006 19:12, Ken Burtch wrote: > On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 15:54 -0500, Neil Watson wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:04:40PM -0600, Scott C. Ripley wrote: > > >http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ > > > > That's a great reference. Thanks. > > It covers less than half the material of my book. "Advanced" is a bit > of an overstatement. But it might be just what you are looking for. > > Ken B. -- Scott C. Ripley ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Tel: 01.416.738.6357 Deucalion Technologies ? ? ?Fax: 01.416.201.8922 614A The Queensway ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://www.scottripley.com Etobicoke, ON, M8Y 1K1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?mailto:scott at scottripley.com CANADA The content of this electronic mail transmission is confidential. ? ? This transmission is intended solely for the use by the person(s) to whom it was addressed. ?All other recipients are hereby notified that any use, copying, dissemination, or disclosure of this information is strictly prohibited. ? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 28 01:45:35 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:45:35 -0500 Subject: Book on Bash In-Reply-To: <200603272037.34486.scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060327174059.GB17346@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <20060327205413.GC17346@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <1143504734.1287.0.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <200603272037.34486.scott@scottripley.com> Message-ID: <1143510335.3676.2.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 20:37 -0500, Scott C. Ripley wrote: > maybe you would like to post a .pdf version of your book... as a special > marketing promotion for TLUG members? I don't think I'm legally allowed to do that. The book is still being sold and the rights don't revert to me until it goes out of print. But a good idea. KB -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 28 01:55:25 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:55:25 -0500 Subject: Book on Bash In-Reply-To: <20060327174059.GB17346-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <20060327174059.GB17346@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20060328015525.GA10545@wp.magstar.net> On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:40:59PM -0500, Neil Watson wrote: > I'm looking for a good book on BASH. Titles on my short list: > > Learning the Bash shell, ISBN: 0596009658 > >From Bash to Z Shell: Conquering the Command Line, ISBN: 1590593766 > Linux Shell Scripting with Bash, SBN: 0672326426 > > Can anyone offer reviews or other recommendations? man bash -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 28 02:12:29 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:12:29 -0500 Subject: OT: Oklahoma city threatens to call FBI over 'renegade' Linux maker In-Reply-To: <44288810.7050304-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <44285531.10205@pppoe.ca> <44288810.7050304@golden.net> Message-ID: <44289B8D.7040706@utoronto.ca> John Myshrall wrote: > Meng Cheah wrote: >> The perils of opensource... >> >> "I am computer literate! I have 22 years in computer systems >> engineering and operation..." >> >> Read on, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/24/tuttle_centos/ >> and http://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=127 >> -- > After a crappy day trying to fix a blown head on my truck, this made my > day. > Hey this isn't off topic is it ? :-) Not in the least; it is more on topic than other unmentionable topics. I'm quite sure that many people on this list can relate to some degree to the exchange. It got bandied about on the lugradio irc today as well. For any who haven't/don't listen, we could all learn a few things from them. Give them a listen: lugradio.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 28 02:44:05 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:44:05 -0500 Subject: OT: Oklahoma city threatens to call FBI over 'renegade' Linux maker In-Reply-To: <44289B8D.7040706-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <44285531.10205@pppoe.ca> <44288810.7050304@golden.net> <44289B8D.7040706@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0603271844j5d1339eci12bcbde775d2acaf@mail.gmail.com> On 3/27/06, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Give them a listen: lugradio.org Never came across a reason to get into podcasts. Till now. This is awesome. Thanks! =) -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 28 02:59:56 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:59:56 -0500 Subject: OT: Oklahoma city threatens to call FBI over 'renegade' Linux maker In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0603271844j5d1339eci12bcbde775d2acaf-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <44285531.10205@pppoe.ca> <44288810.7050304@golden.net> <44289B8D.7040706@utoronto.ca> <99a6c38f0603271844j5d1339eci12bcbde775d2acaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4428A6AC.807@utoronto.ca> Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 3/27/06, Jamon Camisso wrote: >> Give them a listen: lugradio.org > > Never came across a reason to get into podcasts. Till now. This is awesome. > > Thanks! =) A couple (read 2 others so far) from the lugradio forums and I have met up at Linuxcaffe. It would be awesome to add some more people... Glad to hear that you like it -- only 2 seasons and 11 episodes left for you to make it through huh ;) Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 28 03:29:09 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:29:09 -0500 Subject: online donation sites In-Reply-To: <44284D85.8090505-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <44284D85.8090505@xtrinsic.com> Message-ID: <4428AD85.3080902@telly.org> Hello Emma, > I'm trying to find Web sites which specialise in processing on-line > donations for registered charities in Canada. At this point I'm > considering using PayPal (even though it's off the mark, it is easy to > integrate into CMSes), or maybe CanadaHelps (www.canadahelps.org), but > I thought I'd check to see if anyone knew of other sites. I seem to > recall there were more, but as I mentioned above, my Google-fu is weak > today... I don't think that the mechanics of taking money online for a nonprofit is really any different from taking money for an online store. The same security issues (in preventing card fraud and credit card chargebacks) apply regardless. In any case, I suggest a look at InternetSecure. Their processing fees are far less than Paypal or Moneris, they work in Canadian funds, and their tech people are easy to work with. They were used for LPI and they're they choice for CLUE. I suggest you have a look. At CLUE we're creating a Drupal module that will let InternetSecure communicate with Drupal's ecommerce facility. If you're looking at an open source CMS for donation tracking, etc. the above combination together with CiviCRM may do exactly what you need. HTH, - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 28 06:14:22 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:14:22 -0500 Subject: My continuing USB saga Message-ID: <20060328061422.GB18395@waltdnes.org> I've now gotten to the point where I can get... - either all my USB devices to run (would you believe "crawl") at USB 1.1. And "mount -t auto" works. - or I can get my USB 2 devices to run at blazing USB2 speed, but USB1 devices flake out. And "mount -t auto" doesn't work on, even on USB2 devices. But at least I can set up udev rules to mount specific devices, and I know that my backup drives will always be reiserfs and my SD cards (camera) will always be FAT16. My older computer (1999 Dell PIII) was strictly USB 1.1. ehci_ocd would die when I tried loading it, and only ohci_ocd would work. All my USB devices ran ("crawled" might be more accurate) according to spec. Even "mount -t auto" worked OK for USB filesystems (SD card and external hard drives). I got a hunch that this might be a clue to my problems on my newer machine. With only ehci_hcd (with or without root hub translation) some of my older USB devices would not work at all. With *BOTH* ohci_ocd and ehci_ocd built into the kernel, the older USB devices were a bit flakey. "mount -t auto" would die, but "mount -t reiserfs" (or whatever) would work OK for the SD card. The external hard drive refused to work. Mount commands failed with the complaint that /dev/sdb1 was not a block device (or sometimes did not exist). It's *SUPPOSED* to be USB2, but the connecter looks like a USB1.1 connector. Unlike the shirt-pocket drives, the big external USB has its own power supply, so power should not be an issue. Since I do have 2 USB2 shirt-pocket drives (off-site backup, one of them is always in my safety-deposit box), I don't want to go back to ohci-only. After testing various combinations, I settled on building ohci_hcd into the kernel, and making ehci_ocd a module. So now... - all my USB stuff runs fine under ohci_hcd, except for the fact that USB2 stuff runs a lot slower. - after "modprobe ehci_hcd", my USB2 drives run at USB2 speed, but USB1.1 peripherals are either flakey or non-functional and "mount -t auto" no longer works. - after I "rmmod ehci_hcd" things work as before under ohci_hcd. I have to run "udevstart" if I want to use a device name that I've set up with /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules Anybody have any ideas on getting ohci_hcd and ehci_hcd to co-exist and/or force my USB1 peripherals to use ohci_hcd? Here's a few listings of /proc/bus/usb/devices External drive under ehci_hcd; does not work. T: Bus=01 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=480 MxCh=10 B: Alloc= 0/800 us ( 0%), #Int= 0, #Iso= 0 D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=01 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=0000 ProdID=0000 Rev= 2.06 S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 ehci_hcd S: Product=EHCI Host Controller S: SerialNumber=0000:00:02.1 C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr= 0mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub E: Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 2 Ivl=256ms T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=02 Cnt=01 Dev#= 20 Spd=480 MxCh= 0 D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=03e0 ProdID=6830 Rev= 0.01 S: Manufacturer=PI-036 S: Product=1394/USB2.0 COMBO Drive S: SerialNumber=000000007254 C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr= 0mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=usb-storage E: Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 512 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=88(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 512 Ivl=0ms Works under ohci_ocd. T: Bus=01 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh=10 B: Alloc= 0/900 us ( 0%), #Int= 0, #Iso= 0 D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=0000 ProdID=0000 Rev= 2.06 S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 ohci_hcd S: Product=OHCI Host Controller S: SerialNumber=0000:00:02.0 C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr= 0mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub E: Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 2 Ivl=255ms T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=02 Cnt=01 Dev#= 2 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=03e0 ProdID=6830 Rev= 0.01 S: Manufacturer=PI-036 S: Product=1394/USB2.0 COMBO Drive S: SerialNumber=000000007254 C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr= 0mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=usb-storage E: Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=88(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 28 11:06:02 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:06:02 -0500 Subject: BusinessWeek: Stallman on "Keeping Free Software Free" Message-ID: <99a6c38f0603280306p761cbecev4d10b1c14eb1cbb4@mail.gmail.com> Just came across this on viewpoint BusinessWeek Online. Quickly covers the foundations of the GPL then goes on a bit about the GPL 3 and DRM. Would've like to have seen a little more information in the article, but that might be a target-audience thing. http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2006/tc20060328_903602.htm -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 28 13:52:20 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:52:20 -0500 Subject: My continuing USB saga In-Reply-To: <20060328061422.GB18395-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20060328061422.GB18395@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20060328135220.GC16774@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 01:14:22AM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > I've now gotten to the point where I can get... > - either all my USB devices to run (would you believe "crawl") at USB > 1.1. And "mount -t auto" works. > > - or I can get my USB 2 devices to run at blazing USB2 speed, but USB1 > devices flake out. And "mount -t auto" doesn't work on, even on > USB2 devices. But at least I can set up udev rules to mount specific > devices, and I know that my backup drives will always be reiserfs and > my SD cards (camera) will always be FAT16. > > My older computer (1999 Dell PIII) was strictly USB 1.1. ehci_ocd > would die when I tried loading it, and only ohci_ocd would work. All my > USB devices ran ("crawled" might be more accurate) according to spec. > Even "mount -t auto" worked OK for USB filesystems (SD card and external > hard drives). Well a USB 1.1 controller won't do anything with ehci, since that is only for 2.0. > I got a hunch that this might be a clue to my problems on my newer > machine. With only ehci_hcd (with or without root hub translation) some > of my older USB devices would not work at all. With *BOTH* ohci_ocd and > ehci_ocd built into the kernel, the older USB devices were a bit flakey. > "mount -t auto" would die, but "mount -t reiserfs" (or whatever) would > work OK for the SD card. The external hard drive refused to work. > Mount commands failed with the complaint that /dev/sdb1 was not a block > device (or sometimes did not exist). It's *SUPPOSED* to be USB2, but > the connecter looks like a USB1.1 connector. Unlike the shirt-pocket > drives, the big external USB has its own power supply, so power should > not be an issue. You are supposed to have both a usb 1 and a usb 2 driver loaded to handle both types of devices. Otherwise if you only load a usb 1 driver, then all your devices run at the slower speed. There are also usb controllers that are defective. Some of the first usb 2 controllers had a few issues as far as I remember. There are also cases where the BIOS's usb legacy emulation for mouse/keyboard breaks the usb controller setup, although I know there has been some work on fixing that in recent 2.6 kernels. Disabling the usb legacy often helps on those systems, assuming you have a ps/2 keyboard so that you can still talk to the boot loader. > Since I do have 2 USB2 shirt-pocket drives (off-site backup, one of > them is always in my safety-deposit box), I don't want to go back to > ohci-only. After testing various combinations, I settled on building > ohci_hcd into the kernel, and making ehci_ocd a module. So now... > > - all my USB stuff runs fine under ohci_hcd, except for the fact that > USB2 stuff runs a lot slower. > > - after "modprobe ehci_hcd", my USB2 drives run at USB2 speed, but > USB1.1 peripherals are either flakey or non-functional and > "mount -t auto" no longer works. > > - after I "rmmod ehci_hcd" things work as before under ohci_hcd. I > have to run "udevstart" if I want to use a device name that I've set > up with /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules > > Anybody have any ideas on getting ohci_hcd and ehci_hcd to co-exist > and/or force my USB1 peripherals to use ohci_hcd? Here's a few listings > of /proc/bus/usb/devices > > External drive under ehci_hcd; does not work. > > T: Bus=01 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=480 MxCh=10 > B: Alloc= 0/800 us ( 0%), #Int= 0, #Iso= 0 > D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=01 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 > P: Vendor=0000 ProdID=0000 Rev= 2.06 > S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 ehci_hcd > S: Product=EHCI Host Controller > S: SerialNumber=0000:00:02.1 > C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr= 0mA > I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub > E: Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 2 Ivl=256ms > > T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=02 Cnt=01 Dev#= 20 Spd=480 MxCh= 0 > D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 > P: Vendor=03e0 ProdID=6830 Rev= 0.01 > S: Manufacturer=PI-036 > S: Product=1394/USB2.0 COMBO Drive > S: SerialNumber=000000007254 > C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr= 0mA > I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=usb-storage > E: Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 512 Ivl=0ms > E: Ad=88(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 512 Ivl=0ms > > > > Works under ohci_ocd. > > T: Bus=01 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh=10 > B: Alloc= 0/900 us ( 0%), #Int= 0, #Iso= 0 > D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 > P: Vendor=0000 ProdID=0000 Rev= 2.06 > S: Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 ohci_hcd > S: Product=OHCI Host Controller > S: SerialNumber=0000:00:02.0 > C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr= 0mA > I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub > E: Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 2 Ivl=255ms > > T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=02 Cnt=01 Dev#= 2 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 > D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 > P: Vendor=03e0 ProdID=6830 Rev= 0.01 > S: Manufacturer=PI-036 > S: Product=1394/USB2.0 COMBO Drive > S: SerialNumber=000000007254 > C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr= 0mA > I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=usb-storage > E: Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > E: Ad=88(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms Well make sure both ehci and ohci/uhci (chipset dependant) are loaded before any of the device drivers for usb are loaded. That is host things should work. If they don't there is either a kernel bug, a bios bug, or a hardware bug. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 28 16:59:52 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:59:52 -0500 Subject: PING William Park Message-ID: <200603281159.52927.interlug@weait.net> William, Please contact KWLUG to confirm your scheduled presentation on Monday 03 April 2006. Cheers, Richard. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From brat-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 28 23:25:26 2006 From: brat-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org (Angelina Carlton) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:25:26 -0500 Subject: Book on Bash In-Reply-To: <20060328015525.GA10545-SBOj+Tp9hCvc29vQ/UIUOA@public.gmane.org> (William Park's message of "Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:55:25 -0500") References: <20060327174059.GB17346@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <20060328015525.GA10545@wp.magstar.net> Message-ID: <87lkuu40ex.fsf@magma.ca> William Park writes: >> On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:40:59PM -0500, Neil Watson wrote: >> Can anyone offer reviews or other recommendations? > man bash Especially the 1st line of the section BUGS :P -- -----Angelina Carlton----- orchid on irc.freenode.net brat-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org web:bzgirl.bakadigital.com -------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 00:45:58 2006 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:45:58 -0500 Subject: Book on Bash In-Reply-To: <87lkuu40ex.fsf-J4oS66wZXds@public.gmane.org> References: <20060328015525.GA10545@wp.magstar.net> (William Park's message of "Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:55:25 -0500") Message-ID: <44299276.2319.CA091D3@pking123.sympatico.ca> There *is* an O'Reilly book I have by Newham and Rosenblatt called "Learning the bash Shell", although I have honestly gotten much more mileage out of "man bash" as suggested below (that wasn't as sarcastinc a suggestion as you may think -- the manpage is surprisingly thorough). I think it worked for me because I have done scripting before in other shells. Paul King On 28 Mar 2006 at 18:25, Angelina Carlton spaketh these wourdes: > William Park writes: > >> On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:40:59PM -0500, Neil Watson wrote: > >> Can anyone offer reviews or other recommendations? > > > man bash > > Especially the 1st line of the section BUGS :P > -- > -----Angelina Carlton----- > orchid on irc.freenode.net > brat-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org > web:bzgirl.bakadigital.com > -------------------------- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > __________ NOD32 1.1460 (20060328) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 15:33:39 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:33:39 -0500 Subject: Bash and declare Message-ID: <20060329153339.GA27402@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> I bought Ken's book on Bash scripting. In it he talks about using 'declare' to initialize variables. In Perl 'my' is used like declare but, more specifically for variable scope. What is the purpose of declare? -- Neil Watson | Gentoo Linux System Administrator | Uptime 25 days http://watson-wilson.ca | 2.6.11.4 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ x 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 15:49:38 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:49:38 +0000 Subject: Bash and declare In-Reply-To: <20060329153339.GA27402-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <20060329153339.GA27402@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On 3/29/06, Neil Watson wrote: > I bought Ken's book on Bash scripting. In it he talks about using > 'declare' to initialize variables. In Perl 'my' is used like declare > but, more specifically for variable scope. What is the purpose of > declare? It is used to indicate variable attributes. declare -a arr indicates that arr is an array declare -i ival indicates that ival stores integers, as opposed to strings/floats declare -r rval indicates that rval is now read-only There are several other declaration options; see the man page :-). -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 15:03:40 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:03:40 -0400 (EST) Subject: Bash and declare In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060329160341.C0E8617C33B@www.istop.com> In addition to assigning attributes, declare is used with the nounset option. By declaring variables, Bash is able to check for spelling mistakes in variables. Otherwise Bash assumes that a badly spelled variable name is really a new variable, something Perl doesn't do. Ken B. Christopher Browne said: > On 3/29/06, Neil Watson wrote: > > I bought Ken's book on Bash scripting. In it he talks about using > > 'declare' to initialize variables. In Perl 'my' is used like declare > > but, more specifically for variable scope. What is the purpose of > > declare? > > It is used to indicate variable attributes. > > declare -a arr > indicates that arr is an array > > declare -i ival > indicates that ival stores integers, as opposed to strings/floats > > declare -r rval > indicates that rval is now read-only > > There are several other declaration options; see the man page :-). > -- > http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html > "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him > absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 16:14:02 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:14:02 -0500 Subject: Bash and declare In-Reply-To: <20060329160341.C0E8617C33B-7eRXR8VDprX3oGB3hsPCZA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060329160341.C0E8617C33B@www.istop.com> Message-ID: <20060329161402.GB27402@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 11:03:40AM -0400, kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: >In addition to assigning attributes, declare is used with the nounset option. > By declaring variables, Bash is able to check for spelling mistakes in >variables. Otherwise Bash assumes that a badly spelled variable name is >really a new variable, something Perl doesn't do. #!/bin/bash declare nounset MYVAR=50 MIVAR=42 printf $MYVAR How does declare prevent mispelled variables? BTW, when using the Strict module in Perl the variable MIVAR above could not happen. -- Neil Watson | Gentoo Linux System Administrator | Uptime 25 days http://watson-wilson.ca | 2.6.11.4 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ x 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 16:35:16 2006 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:35:16 -0500 Subject: Bash and declare In-Reply-To: <20060329160341.C0E8617C33B-7eRXR8VDprX3oGB3hsPCZA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060329160341.C0E8617C33B@www.istop.com> Message-ID: <20060329163516.GA6566@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 11:03:40AM -0400, kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > In addition to assigning attributes, declare is used with the nounset option. > By declaring variables, Bash is able to check for spelling mistakes in > variables. Otherwise Bash assumes that a badly spelled variable name is > really a new variable, something Perl doesn't do. If I understand you correctly, bash and perl are on an equal footing here. By default they allow use of all names to be accepted as legitimate variable names, but with one optin setting will only accept names that have been explicitly declared. For short throwaway scripts, you may want the ease of the unrestricted form, but as soon as you get into more serious programming (larger or long-lived scripts) you switch to the more disciplined form. For perl, "use strict" will provide the more disciplined environment. Is there something more to bash's nounset option than what you describe above that would make it actually be "something perl doesnt do"? -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 16:29:50 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:29:50 -0500 Subject: Starting X remotely to start a vnc connection Message-ID: <1143649790.442ab5fe06e8a@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Hi, Here's the situation: I have a remote machine running Fedora Core 5 that I can access and login to with ssh (putty). I want to get a vnc connection to this machine with a desktop running. In ssh, I can try to start an x-server, but I get the following error repeatedly, about every two seconds: ** (nm-applet:2527): WARNING **: nma_dbus_init (): nma_dbus_init() could not acquire its service. dbus_bus_acquire_service() says: 'Connection ":1.11" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file' Now, while that's happening, I can start a vncserver, connect to it and view my desktop with nothing running. Launching any application fails (no output since it's graphical). After killing the startx process via my ssh session, these messages are printed: The application 'gnome-panel' lost its connection to the display :0.0; most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed the application. The application 'nautilus' lost its connection to the display :0.0; most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed the application. The application 'nm-applet' lost its connection to the display :0.0; most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed the application. waiting for X server to shut down Window manager warning: The application 'eggcups' lost its connection to the display :0.0; most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed the application. Lost connection to the display ':0.0'; most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed the window manager. xinit: unexpected signal 15. My ultimate goal here is to get a normal vnc connection. Normally, I log in to the machine while I'm sitting at it, but that's not the case today. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 16:43:58 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:43:58 -0500 Subject: Starting X remotely to start a vnc connection In-Reply-To: <1143649790.442ab5fe06e8a-2RFepEojUI13G5Uu0KmH2CwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1143649790.442ab5fe06e8a@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: <442AB94E.5010105@utoronto.ca> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Hi, > > Here's the situation: I have a remote machine running Fedora Core 5 that I can > access and login to with ssh (putty). I want to get a vnc connection to this > machine with a desktop running. In ssh, I can try to start an x-server, but I > get the following error repeatedly, about every two seconds: > > ** (nm-applet:2527): WARNING **: nma_dbus_init (): > nma_dbus_init() could not acquire its service. dbus_bus_acquire_service() > says: 'Connection ":1.11" is not allowed to own the service > "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the > configuration file' > > Now, while that's happening, I can start a vncserver, connect to it and view my > desktop with nothing running. Launching any application fails (no output since > it's graphical). > > After killing the startx process via my ssh session, these messages are printed: > > The application 'gnome-panel' lost its connection to the display :0.0; > most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed > the application. > The application 'nautilus' lost its connection to the display :0.0; > most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed > the application. > The application 'nm-applet' lost its connection to the display :0.0; > most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed > the application. > > waiting for X server to shut down Window manager warning: The application > 'eggcups' lost its connection to the display :0.0; > most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed > the application. > Lost connection to the display ':0.0'; > most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed > the window manager. > > > xinit: unexpected signal 15. > > My ultimate goal here is to get a normal vnc connection. Normally, I log in to > the machine while I'm sitting at it, but that's not the case today. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. What happens if you try starting X with GDM/KDM/XDM? I usually do it this way with debian and then start vncserver and connect. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 16:50:31 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:50:31 -0500 Subject: Starting X remotely to start a vnc connection In-Reply-To: <442AB94E.5010105-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1143649790.442ab5fe06e8a@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AB94E.5010105@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1143651031.442abad72e348@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting Jamon Camisso : > wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Here's the situation: I have a remote machine running Fedora Core 5 that I > can > > access and login to with ssh (putty). I want to get a vnc connection to > this > > machine with a desktop running. In ssh, I can try to start an x-server, but > I > > get the following error repeatedly, about every two seconds: > > > > ** (nm-applet:2527): WARNING **: nma_dbus_init (): > > nma_dbus_init() could not acquire its service. dbus_bus_acquire_service() > > says: 'Connection ":1.11" is not allowed to own the service > > "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the > > configuration file' > > > > Now, while that's happening, I can start a vncserver, connect to it and > view my > > desktop with nothing running. Launching any application fails (no output > since > > it's graphical). > > > > After killing the startx process via my ssh session, these messages are > printed: > > > > The application 'gnome-panel' lost its connection to the display :0.0; > > most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed > > the application. > > The application 'nautilus' lost its connection to the display :0.0; > > most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed > > the application. > > The application 'nm-applet' lost its connection to the display :0.0; > > most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed > > the application. > > > > waiting for X server to shut down Window manager warning: The application > > 'eggcups' lost its connection to the display :0.0; > > most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed > > the application. > > Lost connection to the display ':0.0'; > > most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed > > the window manager. > > > > > > xinit: unexpected signal 15. > > > > My ultimate goal here is to get a normal vnc connection. Normally, I log > in to > > the machine while I'm sitting at it, but that's not the case today. > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > What happens if you try starting X with GDM/KDM/XDM? I usually do it > this way with debian and then start vncserver and connect. > > Jamon Sorry, I must sound clueless, but how do you start X with one of those? Like, what is the command? I can't seem to find it. Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 17:14:57 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:14:57 -0500 Subject: Starting X remotely to start a vnc connection In-Reply-To: <1143651031.442abad72e348-2RFepEojUI13G5Uu0KmH2CwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1143649790.442ab5fe06e8a@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AB94E.5010105@utoronto.ca> <1143651031.442abad72e348@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: <442AC091.2080000@utoronto.ca> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> What happens if you try starting X with GDM/KDM/XDM? I usually do it >> this way with debian and then start vncserver and connect. >> >> Jamon > > Sorry, I must sound clueless, but how do you start X with one of those? Like, > what is the command? I can't seem to find it. Try /etc/init.d/gdm start. Substitute kdm/xdm depending on which you have installed. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 17:23:25 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:23:25 -0500 Subject: Starting X remotely to start a vnc connection In-Reply-To: <442AC091.2080000-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1143649790.442ab5fe06e8a@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AB94E.5010105@utoronto.ca> <1143651031.442abad72e348@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AC091.2080000@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1143653005.442ac28db0e0f@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting Jamon Camisso : > wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> What happens if you try starting X with GDM/KDM/XDM? I usually do it > >> this way with debian and then start vncserver and connect. > >> > >> Jamon > > > > Sorry, I must sound clueless, but how do you start X with one of those? > Like, > > what is the command? I can't seem to find it. > > Try /etc/init.d/gdm start. Substitute kdm/xdm depending on which you > have installed. > > Jamon It seems I don't have an /etc/init.d/gdm (or kdm or xdm). I do have an /etc/pam.d/gdm, but when I pass it start, I get permission denied, for both regular user and root. Any more thoughts? Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 17:39:53 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:39:53 -0500 Subject: Starting X remotely to start a vnc connection In-Reply-To: <1143653005.442ac28db0e0f-2RFepEojUI13G5Uu0KmH2CwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1143649790.442ab5fe06e8a@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AB94E.5010105@utoronto.ca> <1143651031.442abad72e348@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AC091.2080000@utoronto.ca> <1143653005.442ac28db0e0f@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: <442AC669.4030109@utoronto.ca> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Quoting Jamon Camisso : > >> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>>> What happens if you try starting X with GDM/KDM/XDM? I usually do it >>>> this way with debian and then start vncserver and connect. >>>> >>>> Jamon >>> Sorry, I must sound clueless, but how do you start X with one of those? >> Like, >>> what is the command? I can't seem to find it. >> Try /etc/init.d/gdm start. Substitute kdm/xdm depending on which you >> have installed. >> >> Jamon > > It seems I don't have an /etc/init.d/gdm (or kdm or xdm). I do have an > /etc/pam.d/gdm, but when I pass it start, I get permission denied, for both > regular user and root. Any more thoughts? I could have sworn that Fedora Core 5 uses /etc/init.d. Take a look in the /etc/rc directories for an file like S99kdm (xx being a number between 1-99). For example, in /etc/rc5.0/ I have the file S99kdm -- yours could be /etc/rc5.0/Sxxgdm/kdm/xdm (the xx being a number between 1-99). Perhaps switching to runlevel 5 with "init 5" from your ssh will bring up X as well. You do have kdm or gdm installed? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 17:48:50 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:48:50 -0500 Subject: Starting X remotely to start a vnc connection In-Reply-To: <442AC669.4030109-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1143649790.442ab5fe06e8a@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AB94E.5010105@utoronto.ca> <1143651031.442abad72e348@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AC091.2080000@utoronto.ca> <1143653005.442ac28db0e0f@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AC669.4030109@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1143654530.442ac8820af90@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting Jamon Camisso : > wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Quoting Jamon Camisso : > > > >> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > >>>> What happens if you try starting X with GDM/KDM/XDM? I usually do it > >>>> this way with debian and then start vncserver and connect. > >>>> > >>>> Jamon > >>> Sorry, I must sound clueless, but how do you start X with one of those? > >> Like, > >>> what is the command? I can't seem to find it. > >> Try /etc/init.d/gdm start. Substitute kdm/xdm depending on which you > >> have installed. > >> > >> Jamon > > > > It seems I don't have an /etc/init.d/gdm (or kdm or xdm). I do have an > > /etc/pam.d/gdm, but when I pass it start, I get permission denied, for both > > regular user and root. Any more thoughts? > > I could have sworn that Fedora Core 5 uses /etc/init.d. Take a look in > the /etc/rc directories for an file like S99kdm (xx being a number > between 1-99). For example, in /etc/rc5.0/ I have the file S99kdm -- > yours could be /etc/rc5.0/Sxxgdm/kdm/xdm (the xx being a number between > 1-99). Perhaps switching to runlevel 5 with "init 5" from your ssh will > bring up X as well. You do have kdm or gdm installed? Doing a quick find for files with *gdm* under /etc returns: /etc/security/console.apps/gdmsetup /etc/gdm /etc/pam.d/gdm /etc/pam.d/gdmsetup /etc/pam.d/gdm-autologin There are no files with kdm or xdm in it. gdm in installed, according to yum. Thanks, Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 17:58:20 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:58:20 -0500 Subject: Starting X remotely to start a vnc connection In-Reply-To: <1143654530.442ac8820af90-2RFepEojUI13G5Uu0KmH2CwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1143649790.442ab5fe06e8a@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AB94E.5010105@utoronto.ca> <1143651031.442abad72e348@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AC091.2080000@utoronto.ca> <1143653005.442ac28db0e0f@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AC669.4030109@utoronto.ca> <1143654530.442ac8820af90@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: <442ACABC.3030604@utoronto.ca> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Quoting Jamon Camisso : > >> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> Quoting Jamon Camisso : >>> >>>> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>>>>> What happens if you try starting X with GDM/KDM/XDM? I usually do it >>>>>> this way with debian and then start vncserver and connect. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jamon >>>>> Sorry, I must sound clueless, but how do you start X with one of those? >>>> Like, >>>>> what is the command? I can't seem to find it. >>>> Try /etc/init.d/gdm start. Substitute kdm/xdm depending on which you >>>> have installed. >>>> >>>> Jamon >>> It seems I don't have an /etc/init.d/gdm (or kdm or xdm). I do have an >>> /etc/pam.d/gdm, but when I pass it start, I get permission denied, for both >>> regular user and root. Any more thoughts? >> I could have sworn that Fedora Core 5 uses /etc/init.d. Take a look in >> the /etc/rc directories for an file like S99kdm (xx being a number >> between 1-99). For example, in /etc/rc5.0/ I have the file S99kdm -- >> yours could be /etc/rc5.0/Sxxgdm/kdm/xdm (the xx being a number between >> 1-99). Perhaps switching to runlevel 5 with "init 5" from your ssh will >> bring up X as well. You do have kdm or gdm installed? > > Doing a quick find for files with *gdm* under /etc returns: > > /etc/security/console.apps/gdmsetup > /etc/gdm > /etc/pam.d/gdm > /etc/pam.d/gdmsetup > /etc/pam.d/gdm-autologin > > There are no files with kdm or xdm in it. gdm in installed, according to yum. Well if switching to init 5 doesn't do it for you, then I have absolutely no clue. I have to defer to someone on the list more knowledgeable than myself. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 18:32:29 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:32:29 -0500 Subject: Starting X remotely to start a vnc connection In-Reply-To: <1143654530.442ac8820af90-2RFepEojUI13G5Uu0KmH2CwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1143649790.442ab5fe06e8a@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AB94E.5010105@utoronto.ca> <1143651031.442abad72e348@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AC091.2080000@utoronto.ca> <1143653005.442ac28db0e0f@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AC669.4030109@utoronto.ca> <1143654530.442ac8820af90@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Message-ID: <442AD2BD.8080800@utoronto.ca> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Quoting Jamon Camisso : > >> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> Quoting Jamon Camisso : >>> >>>> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>>>>> What happens if you try starting X with GDM/KDM/XDM? I usually do it >>>>>> this way with debian and then start vncserver and connect. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jamon >>>>> Sorry, I must sound clueless, but how do you start X with one of those? >>>> Like, >>>>> what is the command? I can't seem to find it. >>>> Try /etc/init.d/gdm start. Substitute kdm/xdm depending on which you >>>> have installed. >>>> >>>> Jamon >>> It seems I don't have an /etc/init.d/gdm (or kdm or xdm). I do have an >>> /etc/pam.d/gdm, but when I pass it start, I get permission denied, for both >>> regular user and root. Any more thoughts? >> I could have sworn that Fedora Core 5 uses /etc/init.d. Take a look in >> the /etc/rc directories for an file like S99kdm (xx being a number >> between 1-99). For example, in /etc/rc5.0/ I have the file S99kdm -- >> yours could be /etc/rc5.0/Sxxgdm/kdm/xdm (the xx being a number between >> 1-99). Perhaps switching to runlevel 5 with "init 5" from your ssh will >> bring up X as well. You do have kdm or gdm installed? > > Doing a quick find for files with *gdm* under /etc returns: > > /etc/security/console.apps/gdmsetup > /etc/gdm > /etc/pam.d/gdm > /etc/pam.d/gdmsetup > /etc/pam.d/gdm-autologin > > There are no files with kdm or xdm in it. gdm in installed, according to yum. I apparently am the clueless one. Running /sbin/init 5 will bring up everything on your system, including gdm. To only bring up gdm, run /usr/sbin/gdm. Yeah... Got me there, making things far more complicated than they really are. Good learning for me though, so thanks. To anyone reading this: How does one change the default runlevel on Fedora? Whenever I boot Fedora (Core 5 x86_64), I end up at a prompt in runlevel 2. I'd like very much to not have to do anything at all and be greeted with the usual gdm screen in runlevel 5. Thanks, Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 18:44:30 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:44:30 -0500 Subject: Starting X remotely to start a vnc connection In-Reply-To: <442AD2BD.8080800-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1143649790.442ab5fe06e8a@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AB94E.5010105@utoronto.ca> <1143651031.442abad72e348@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AC091.2080000@utoronto.ca> <1143653005.442ac28db0e0f@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AC669.4030109@utoronto.ca> <1143654530.442ac8820af90@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AD2BD.8080800@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1143657870.24183.295.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 13:32 -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > I apparently am the clueless one. Running /sbin/init 5 will bring up > everything on your system, including gdm. To only bring up gdm, run > /usr/sbin/gdm. Yeah... Got me there, making things far more complicated > than they really are. Good learning for me though, so thanks. > > To anyone reading this: How does one change the default runlevel on > Fedora? Whenever I boot Fedora (Core 5 x86_64), I end up at a prompt in > runlevel 2. I'd like very much to not have to do anything at all and be > greeted with the usual gdm screen in runlevel 5. Edit the /etc/inittab file. Locate the line that has the "initdefault"keyword and change the 2 to a 5, eg: id:5:initdefault: -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. Director of Technology 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 519-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 19:08:50 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:08:50 -0500 Subject: Starting X remotely to start a vnc connection In-Reply-To: <442AD2BD.8080800-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1143649790.442ab5fe06e8a@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AB94E.5010105@utoronto.ca> <1143651031.442abad72e348@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AC091.2080000@utoronto.ca> <1143653005.442ac28db0e0f@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AC669.4030109@utoronto.ca> <1143654530.442ac8820af90@webmail.uoguelph.ca> <442AD2BD.8080800@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1143659330.442adb421c805@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting Jamon Camisso : > wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Quoting Jamon Camisso : > > > >> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > >>> Quoting Jamon Camisso : > >>> > >>>> wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > >>>>>> What happens if you try starting X with GDM/KDM/XDM? I usually do it > >>>>>> this way with debian and then start vncserver and connect. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jamon > >>>>> Sorry, I must sound clueless, but how do you start X with one of those? > >>>> Like, > >>>>> what is the command? I can't seem to find it. > >>>> Try /etc/init.d/gdm start. Substitute kdm/xdm depending on which you > >>>> have installed. > >>>> > >>>> Jamon > >>> It seems I don't have an /etc/init.d/gdm (or kdm or xdm). I do have an > >>> /etc/pam.d/gdm, but when I pass it start, I get permission denied, for > both > >>> regular user and root. Any more thoughts? > >> I could have sworn that Fedora Core 5 uses /etc/init.d. Take a look in > >> the /etc/rc directories for an file like S99kdm (xx being a number > >> between 1-99). For example, in /etc/rc5.0/ I have the file S99kdm -- > >> yours could be /etc/rc5.0/Sxxgdm/kdm/xdm (the xx being a number between > >> 1-99). Perhaps switching to runlevel 5 with "init 5" from your ssh will > >> bring up X as well. You do have kdm or gdm installed? > > > > Doing a quick find for files with *gdm* under /etc returns: > > > > /etc/security/console.apps/gdmsetup > > /etc/gdm > > /etc/pam.d/gdm > > /etc/pam.d/gdmsetup > > /etc/pam.d/gdm-autologin > > > > There are no files with kdm or xdm in it. gdm in installed, according to > yum. > > I apparently am the clueless one. Running /sbin/init 5 will bring up > everything on your system, including gdm. To only bring up gdm, run > /usr/sbin/gdm. Yeah... Got me there, making things far more complicated > than they really are. Good learning for me though, so thanks. > > To anyone reading this: How does one change the default runlevel on > Fedora? Whenever I boot Fedora (Core 5 x86_64), I end up at a prompt in > runlevel 2. I'd like very much to not have to do anything at all and be > greeted with the usual gdm screen in runlevel 5. > > Thanks, > > Jamon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > FYI, this is what /usr/sbin/gdm returns when run as a normal user: (process:4076): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_hash_table_lookup: assertion `hash_table != NULL' failed (process:4076): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_hash_table_lookup: assertion `hash_table != NULL' failed (process:4076): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_hash_table_lookup: assertion `hash_table != NULL' failed (process:4076): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_hash_table_lookup: assertion `hash_table != NULL' failed (process:4076): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_hash_table_lookup: assertion `hash_table != NULL' failed Run as root, it returns nothing, but I don't want to vnc into my computer as root. Thanks, Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 19:06:50 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:06:50 -0400 (EST) Subject: Bash and declare In-Reply-To: <20060329161402.GB27402-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <20060329161402.GB27402@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20060329200651.D325E17C03B@www.istop.com> Neil Watson said: > On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 11:03:40AM -0400, kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >In addition to assigning attributes, declare is used with the nounset option. > > By declaring variables, Bash is able to check for spelling mistakes in > >variables. Otherwise Bash assumes that a badly spelled variable name is > >really a new variable, something Perl doesn't do. > > #!/bin/bash > > declare nounset MYVAR=50 > > MIVAR=42 > > printf $MYVAR > > How does declare prevent mispelled variables? It appears my memory is going on me. Some experimentation shows that declare has no affect on nounset. #!/bin/bash shopt -s -o nounset # (or set -u) declare -i TOTAL=0 TOTAL=TTOAL+1 Results in t.sh: line 5: TTOAL: unbound variable Without nounset, the script fragment runs with no errors. But removing declare has no effect on the error. nounset gives an error if you reference an unbound variable, not if you're assigning values to a mispelled name. So I'll have to concede with Mr. Browne that declare is for creating variables such as integers and arrays which would otherwise be a simple string variable. > BTW, when using the Strict module in Perl the variable MIVAR above could > not happen. I guess I always use strict so I never noticed that Perl auto-declares variables without it. Ken B -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 29 22:30:19 2006 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:30:19 -0500 Subject: Please stop spamming this list with Microsoft related messages In-Reply-To: <200603251647.08986.leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200603251647.08986.leah@frauerpower.com> Message-ID: <442B0A7B.4040606@rogers.com> http://www.forbes.com/home/enterprisetech/2006/03/22/ballmer-microsoft-linux-cz_df_0322microsoft.html Steve Ballmer, when posed the following question by Forbes 23-Mar-06: "You mention intellectual property. What's going on in terms of Microsoft IP showing up in Linux? And what are you going to do about it? Responded as such: "Well, I think there are experts who claim Linux violates our intellectual property. I'm not going to comment. But to the degree that that's the case, of course we owe it to our shareholders to have a strategy. And when there is something interesting to say, you'll be the first to hear it." When people talk about shareholders, they're not talking shit. They *will* do what their shareholders demand. *That* is what scares me. Thusly I think it's well deserved keeping them under a microscope and giving it to the them whenever possible, with the ultimate and no doubt unattainable goal of putting them out of business and every microsoft employee out on the street. Probably not going to happen, but the thought makes me smile. They've got karma to pay back, and you have no way of denying that ;) Hopefully folks will do it in a wise fashion, but sometimes it's hard to hold back considering how they've tried to destroy various projects that I use and am interested in, not to mention their whole M.O. of embrace-extend-extinguish. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 00:08:49 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:08:49 -0500 Subject: Please stop spamming this list with Microsoft related messages In-Reply-To: <442B0A7B.4040606-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200603251647.08986.leah@frauerpower.com> <442B0A7B.4040606@rogers.com> Message-ID: <442B2191.1060208@telly.org> Byron Sonne wrote: > When people talk about shareholders, they're not talking shit. They > *will* do what their shareholders demand. *That* is what scares me. Seen from another POV, this could be seen as a justification to *not* pursue IP claims against Linux. One could see this as "we're not going to do it until/unless our shareholders demand it from us". MS management has not waited for explicit shareholder approval of its other tactical Everyone sees what's happening to SCO, and Microsoft's role in its actions has been laid bare. Going after Linux (which would mean taking on IBM, HP, Novell and any vendor that supports it (which is more far-reaching than SCO which really just went after IBM). This could mean getting Microsoft involved in a deep, costly and long-lasting legal battle which offers little positive PR, and likely wouldn't stall implementors who were not scared by SCO's moves. Shareholders care about share value, and the fact remains that SCO's stock tanked (after a brief spike) due to its attack on Linux. Would MS shareholders want to risk the value of their shares should it repeat this strategy? Worst of all, attacking Linux that way is a clear admission to its market that MS can't compete on its own merits. And should IBM and HP counterattack with their arsenals of defencive patents, people will have reason to fear using MS products. Is that a risk they want to try? While I agree that MS needs to be watched, I wouldn't read quite so much dread into that particular interview. I interpret it that they're keeping their options open but will wait for shareholder direction (that will likely never come) to take that specific strategy. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 01:13:23 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:13:23 -0500 Subject: Michael Geist lecture at Hart House In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <442B30B3.6030605@utoronto.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Michael Geist will be delivering a lecture "Our own creative land" at Hart > House on Thursday March 30. > > March is very active in discussing the public interest in the > "Intellectual Property" area from a Canadian perspective. If you don't > know who he is, do have a look at his blog. > > Announcement of the lecture: > http://individual.utoronto.ca/dtsang/hhlecture/index2.html > (Includes a link to Geist's blog.) For anyone who won't be there or isn't available tomorrow evening at 7:30, check the link above for 2 live webcast links, and a podcast link as well. Just a reminder to anyone even mildly interested. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zhunt-KdxWn004MjY at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 04:37:50 2006 From: zhunt-KdxWn004MjY at public.gmane.org (Zoltan) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:37:50 -0600 Subject: Michael Geist lecture at Hart House In-Reply-To: <442B30B3.6030605-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <442B30B3.6030605@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <442B609E.3090906@zee4.com> Jamon Camisso wrote: > D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> Michael Geist will be delivering a lecture "Our own creative land" at >> Hart House on Thursday March 30. >> >> March is very active in discussing the public interest in the >> "Intellectual Property" area from a Canadian perspective. If you >> don't know who he is, do have a look at his blog. >> >> Announcement of the lecture: >> http://individual.utoronto.ca/dtsang/hhlecture/index2.html >> (Includes a link to Geist's blog.) > > For anyone who won't be there or isn't available tomorrow evening at > 7:30, check the link above for 2 live webcast links, and a podcast > link as well. > > Just a reminder to anyone even mildly interested. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > Thanks for the link, I'd certainly be up for it, unfortunately the tickets are sold out. Guess I'll have to catch it on TVO tomorrow. Zoltan -- www.YYZTech.ca Toronto talks tech. www.Dine.TO Toronto's premier restaurant search engine. Get Thunderbird -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From andrew.emili-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 04:04:45 2006 From: andrew.emili-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrew Emili) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:04:45 -0500 Subject: Posting Sys Admin Jobs to mailing group Message-ID: <84e9f1ee0603292004i17fd8c9es7daa7d5ff8fd2b7a@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I am currently working in a research lab at UT. I want to post a job(Sys Adm) to the mailing list. Is this allowed? Thanks, AE -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 04:10:22 2006 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:10:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Book on Bash In-Reply-To: <1143510335.3676.2.camel-sLtTAFnw5m7xXJQZHMdDwiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060327174059.GB17346@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <20060327205413.GC17346@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <1143504734.1287.0.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <200603272037.34486.scott@scottripley.com> <1143510335.3676.2.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Mar 2006, Ken Burtch wrote: > On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 20:37 -0500, Scott C. Ripley wrote: >> maybe you would like to post a .pdf version of your book... as a special >> marketing promotion for TLUG members? It's available at . Is that legit? > I don't think I'm legally allowed to do that. The book is still being > sold and the rights don't revert to me until it goes out of print. But > a good idea. -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 04:21:47 2006 From: shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:21:47 -0500 Subject: Posting Sys Admin Jobs to mailing group In-Reply-To: <84e9f1ee0603292004i17fd8c9es7daa7d5ff8fd2b7a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <84e9f1ee0603292004i17fd8c9es7daa7d5ff8fd2b7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603292321.47831.shrike@heinous.org> On Wednesday 29 March 2006 23:04, Andrew Emili wrote: > Hi, > > I am currently working in a research lab at UT. I want to post a > job(Sys Adm) to the mailing list. Is this allowed? > > Thanks, > AE > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml Yes, if it's linux related that's fine. -Joseph- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 05:17:53 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:17:53 -0500 Subject: Is the hw list working? Message-ID: <442B6A01.3040902@pppoe.ca> I sent a total of 3 emails on the 27th, 28th and 30th to hw-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org None of the emails made it to the list and I have not received any messages of any errors. Can some kind soul subscribed to the hw list please try sending a post and inform me of the results? If the problem is at my end, I'd like to know, thanks. Meng Cheah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 07:32:48 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 02:32:48 -0500 Subject: Michael Geist lecture at Hart House In-Reply-To: <442B609E.3090906-KdxWn004MjY@public.gmane.org> References: <442B30B3.6030605@utoronto.ca> <442B609E.3090906@zee4.com> Message-ID: <442B89A0.7030009@utoronto.ca> The lecture is being recorded for TVO Big Ideas, as such it will not be broadcast live tomorrow on TVO. Big Ideas is broadcast at 1 PM on Saturday (I doubt it will be this Saturday, but this Saturday's episode not yet posted) and repeated on Sunday at 1 PM and early Monday morning around 2 AM. Tickets have been sold out for the event, though if you join the rush line tomorrow you might get a seat. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 13:35:23 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:35:23 -0500 Subject: Posting Sys Admin Jobs to mailing group In-Reply-To: <84e9f1ee0603292004i17fd8c9es7daa7d5ff8fd2b7a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <84e9f1ee0603292004i17fd8c9es7daa7d5ff8fd2b7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <442BDE9B.20604@alteeve.com> Andrew Emili wrote: > Hi, > > I am currently working in a research lab at UT. I want to post a > job(Sys Adm) to the mailing list. Is this allowed? > > Thanks, > AE > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > Hehe, I got my current job from a TLUG job posting, so I endorse the practice! :p Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 14:52:57 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:52:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux World Updates Message-ID: <20060330145257.13832.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The button parts have arrived at my place, so we will have nice looking (political campaign style) buttons to wear at the show. I have been asked for a 50 word summary of GTALug for some Linux World literature. The deadline on that is end of business tomorrow, and here is my take on that (and yes it is exactly 50 words :-) ). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Greater Toronto Area Linux User is the voice of Toronto area Linux users. We run three monthly meetings that offer a mix of education, and interpersonal networking. Whether you are a new user or a seasoned professional we can help you. Check us out on the web at: http://www.gtalug.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 15:00:59 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:00:59 -0500 Subject: Linux World Updates In-Reply-To: <20060330145257.13832.qmail-p6KvMhi7PWKB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060330145257.13832.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <442BF2AB.8010505@telly.org> Colin McGregor wrote: >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >The Greater Toronto Area Linux User is the voice of >Toronto area Linux users. We run three monthly >meetings that offer a mix of education, and >interpersonal networking. Whether you are a new user >or a seasoned professional we can help you. Check us >out on the web at: http://www.gtalug.org >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > It's fine, if truthfulness doesn't count. GTALUG does not have, and has never had, anything to do with NewTLUG. Not its website, not its mailing list, not its meetings. Claiming to run it is a lie. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 15:29:07 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:29:07 -0500 Subject: Linux World Updates In-Reply-To: <20060330145257.13832.qmail-p6KvMhi7PWKB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060330145257.13832.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0603300729t48b698f5he7111c6af68ddb65@mail.gmail.com> On 3/30/06, Colin McGregor wrote: > The button parts have arrived at my place, so we will > have nice looking (political campaign style) buttons > to wear at the show. > > I have been asked for a 50 word summary of GTALug for > some Linux World literature. The deadline on that is > end of business tomorrow, and here is my take on that > (and yes it is exactly 50 words :-) ). > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > The Greater Toronto Area Linux User is the voice of > Toronto area Linux users. We run three monthly > meetings that offer a mix of education, and > interpersonal networking. Whether you are a new user > or a seasoned professional we can help you. Check us > out on the web at: http://www.gtalug.org > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Oh, I so hate to do this... Colin, looks like you've got an off-by-one error: "The Greater Toronto Area Linux User [Group] is the voice of" Adding the word group takes it to 51 words. I'm tired and seeing double at the moment so it might be my count that's off. -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com "A revolution is coming - a revolution which will be peaceful if we are wise enough; compassionate if we care enough; successful if we are fortunate enough - but a revolution which is coming whether we will it or not. We can affect its character, we cannot alter its inevitability." - John F. Kennedy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 15:37:13 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:37:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux World Updates In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0603300729t48b698f5he7111c6af68ddb65-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0603300729t48b698f5he7111c6af68ddb65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060330153713.80875.qmail@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 3/30/06, Colin McGregor > wrote: > Oh, I so hate to do this... Colin, looks like > you've got an off-by-one error: > > "The Greater Toronto Area Linux User [Group] is the > voice of" > > Adding the word group takes it to 51 words. I'm > tired and seeing > double at the moment so it might be my count that's > off. Your right, here is a revised version, still at 50 words (I found a different word I could drop :-) ). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Greater Toronto Area Linux User Group is the voice of Toronto area Linux users. We run three monthly meetings, offering a mix of education, and interpersonal networking. Whether you are a new user or a seasoned professional we can help you. Check us out on the web at: http://www.gtalug.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 16:15:35 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:15:35 -0500 Subject: Linux World Updates In-Reply-To: <20060330153713.80875.qmail-N/0UzftCW16B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060330153713.80875.qmail@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <442C0427.1090702@utoronto.ca> Colin McGregor wrote: > --- Scott Elcomb wrote: >> On 3/30/06, Colin McGregor >> wrote: >> Oh, I so hate to do this... Colin, looks like >> you've got an off-by-one error: >> >> "The Greater Toronto Area Linux User [Group] is the >> voice of" >> >> Adding the word group takes it to 51 words. I'm >> tired and seeing >> double at the moment so it might be my count that's >> off. > > Your right, here is a revised version, still at 50 > words (I found a different word I could drop :-) ). > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > The Greater Toronto Area Linux User Group is the voice > of Toronto area Linux users. We run three monthly > meetings, offering a mix of education, and > interpersonal networking. Whether you are a new user > or a seasoned professional we can help you. Check us > out on the web at: http://www.gtalug.org > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Those handy gerunds. Mightn't taking the comma out after education make the mix see a little more like a mix instead of two separate elements? Because you aren't offering a list of more than 3 items, the comma is unnecessary. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 17:13:38 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:13:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Revised Linux World write-up Message-ID: <20060330171338.98679.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Spoke to Herb Richter about the write-up and here is what came out of that diascussion. Comments? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Greater Toronto Area Linux User Group is the voice of three Toronto area Linux user groups. These groups offer a mix of education, and interpersonal networking targeted to the new user, advanced user or seasoned professional. Check out GTALug on the web at: http://www.gtalug.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 17:40:21 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:40:21 -0500 Subject: Revised Linux World write-up In-Reply-To: <20060330171338.98679.qmail-7EKNVtTItHqB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060330171338.98679.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <442C1805.1010409@telly.org> Colin McGregor, March 30: >The Greater Toronto Area Linux User Group is the voice of three Toronto area Linux user groups. > Bill Thanis, December 8: >GTALUG has never claimed to represent the people of this list > Who's telling the truth? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From transoxania-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 18:04:20 2006 From: transoxania-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Kamran) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:04:20 -0500 Subject: Posting Sys Admin Jobs to mailing group In-Reply-To: <84e9f1ee0603292004i17fd8c9es7daa7d5ff8fd2b7a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <84e9f1ee0603292004i17fd8c9es7daa7d5ff8fd2b7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <442C1DA4.1020106@sympatico.ca> Andrew Emili wrote: > Hi, > > I am currently working in a research lab at UT. I want to post a > job(Sys Adm) to the mailing list. Is this allowed? > > Thanks, > AE > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > If you decide not to post the job to the mailing list could you please email the posting to me. Thank you. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From imranqau-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 18:31:23 2006 From: imranqau-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Muhammad Imran) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:31:23 +0000 Subject: Posting Sys Admin Jobs to mailing group In-Reply-To: <442C1DA4.1020106-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <442C1DA4.1020106@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: >If you decide not to post the job to the mailing list could you please >email the posting to me. Thank you. >-- To me as well :) please! Thanks, _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 19:44:28 2006 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:44:28 +0000 Subject: Computers connecting to my Router Message-ID: <200603301944.28523.mervc@eol.ca> Hi gurus I have four computers on my lan, all running the same distro and 2 of them keep connecting,. The router is set to Disconnect after an idle period. Can anyone suggest what might be doing this? While this snippet of the log only shows .8 connecting, .7 is equally guilty. I think the log wouldn't fill up for a month if it wasn't for these connections. Enlightenment appreciated. PPPoE Idle Timeout !! Disconnect PPPoE line Mar/25/2006 16:17:02 PPPoE line connected Mar/25/2006 16:16:57 PPPoE: opening connection ... src:192.168.0.8:32820 dst:168.95.192.1:53 Mar/25/2006 15:27:31 PPPoE Idle Timeout !! Disconnect PPPoE line Mar/25/2006 15:15:23 PPPoE line connected Mar/25/2006 15:15:21 PPPoE: opening connection ... src:192.168.0.8:32819 dst:168.95.192.1:53 Mar/25/2006 14:25:55 PPPoE Idle Timeout !! Disconnect PPPoE line Mar/25/2006 14:13:47 PPPoE line connected Mar/25/2006 14:13:46 PPPoE: opening connection ... src:192.168.0.8:32818 dst:168.95.192.1:53 Mar/25/2006 13:24:20 PPPoE Idle Timeout !! Disconnect PPPoE line Mar/25/2006 13:12:13 PPPoE line connected Mar/25/2006 13:12:10 PPPoE: opening connection ... src:192.168.0.8:32817 dst:168.95.192.1:53 Mar/25/2006 12:22:44 PPPoE Idle Timeout !! Disconnect PPPoE line Mar/25/2006 12:10:39 PPPoE line connected -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 20:10:23 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:10:23 -0500 Subject: Computers connecting to my Router In-Reply-To: <200603301944.28523.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200603301944.28523.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20060330201023.GA4688@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 30, 2006 at 07:44:28PM +0000, Merv Curley wrote: > Hi gurus > > I have four computers on my lan, all running the same distro and 2 of them > keep connecting,. The router is set to Disconnect after an idle period. Can > anyone suggest what might be doing this? While this snippet of the log only > shows .8 connecting, .7 is equally guilty. I think the log wouldn't fill > up for a month if it wasn't for these connections. > > Enlightenment appreciated. > > PPPoE Idle Timeout !! Disconnect PPPoE line > Mar/25/2006 16:17:02 > PPPoE line connected > Mar/25/2006 16:16:57 > PPPoE: opening connection ... src:192.168.0.8:32820 dst:168.95.192.1:53 > Mar/25/2006 15:27:31 > PPPoE Idle Timeout !! Disconnect PPPoE line > Mar/25/2006 15:15:23 > PPPoE line connected > Mar/25/2006 15:15:21 > PPPoE: opening connection ... src:192.168.0.8:32819 dst:168.95.192.1:53 > Mar/25/2006 14:25:55 > PPPoE Idle Timeout !! Disconnect PPPoE line > Mar/25/2006 14:13:47 > PPPoE line connected > Mar/25/2006 14:13:46 > PPPoE: opening connection ... src:192.168.0.8:32818 dst:168.95.192.1:53 > Mar/25/2006 13:24:20 > PPPoE Idle Timeout !! Disconnect PPPoE line > Mar/25/2006 13:12:13 > PPPoE line connected > Mar/25/2006 13:12:10 > PPPoE: opening connection ... src:192.168.0.8:32817 dst:168.95.192.1:53 > Mar/25/2006 12:22:44 > PPPoE Idle Timeout !! Disconnect PPPoE line > Mar/25/2006 12:10:39 > PPPoE line connected So once per hour something is trying to do a DNS lookup (DNS is port 53). So find out what process on the machine wants to do DNS once per hour and get rid of it to solve it. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 20:37:35 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:37:35 +0000 Subject: Linux World Updates In-Reply-To: <442BF2AB.8010505-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060330145257.13832.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <442BF2AB.8010505@telly.org> Message-ID: On 3/30/06, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > >The Greater Toronto Area Linux User is the voice of > >Toronto area Linux users. We run three monthly > >meetings that offer a mix of education, and > >interpersonal networking. Whether you are a new user > >or a seasoned professional we can help you. Check us > >out on the web at: http://www.gtalug.org > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > > > It's fine, if truthfulness doesn't count. > GTALUG does not have, and has never had, anything to do with NewTLUG. > Not its website, not its mailing list, not its meetings. > Claiming to run it is a lie. If I do not misremember, the last NewTLUG meeting had, as speaker, one of the GTALUG board members. At least, so the schedule claims: The fact that the announcements have, of late, frequently pointed to the GTALUG web site, and that Herb Richter, the normal contact on such matters, sends out announcements on the GTALUG lists, suggests that perhaps someone like, oh, say, Herb, should probably weigh in on such claims. You are free to comment however you like. That's one of the unwritten rules of the Internet, along with Godwin's Law... It would be unfortunate if you were to poison the ongoing good relations, but if that is what you want, that's obviously your choice. -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 20:45:37 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:45:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux World Canada Summary Message-ID: <20060330204537.89076.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Here is what I sent in to describe GTALug: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Greater Toronto Area Linux User Group is the voice of three Toronto area Linux user groups. These groups offer a mix of education, and interpersonal networking targeted to the new user, advanced user or seasoned professional. See GTALug in booth 108 or on the web at: http://www.gtalug.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Enjoy. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 21:11:53 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:11:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Posting Sys Admin Jobs to mailing group In-Reply-To: References: <442C1DA4.1020106@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <50632.207.188.65.194.1143753113.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Speaking strictly for myself, I am not offended by these notices as long as they don't overwhelm the other messages. Finding a job is hard work, so I suggest that the group should be flexible when the newsgroup can facilitate this process. It might be a good idea to agree on some sort of prefix (eg, 'JP:' for job posting). Then those of us that are not interested can easily bypass those messages. I would suggest also that job postings from employment agencies are not appropriate. That could get out of hand very quickly. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 21:30:31 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:30:31 -0500 Subject: The SCO Group City to City Tour Message-ID: <200603301630.33178.interlug@weait.net> The SCO Group is not the Santa Cruz Operation but they do try to pretend that they are. The SCO group is also not UNIX System Laboratories and the USPTO has denied their attempt to claim that trademark. The SCO Group is the bunch that claims they have "mountains" of proof of code copied from their "IP" to Linux. They claimed this in 2003 and in the two and a half years since they launched their law suit against IBM, they have not disclosed any of this evidence to the court. In fact the presiding judge said this in court, "Viewed against the backdrop of SCO's plethora of public statements concerning IBM's and others' infringement of SCO's purported copyrights to the Unix software, it is astonishing that SCO has not offered any competent evidence to create a disputed fact regarding whether IBM has infringed SCO's alleged copyrights through IBM's Linux activities," --http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/02/11/sco/index.php So what? Well, The SCO Group is holding another city to city tour to promote their company. This year they have a stop in Toronto on the 18th of May 2006 at Dave and Buster's. And it's free. Registration is required. http;//sco.com/c2c_2006/index_pm.html http://sco.com/c2c_2006/toronto.html So if you think that you can sit through their sales pitch you can let them spend a day wining ind dining you. Let them cast their marketing dollars on barren soil. Accurate and up to date information about The SCO Group can be found below. Discussion is probably better placed on those fora than here. http://www.groklaw.com/ http://messages.yahoo.com/?action=q&board=SCOX http://www.ip-wars.net/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 21:45:50 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:45:50 -0500 Subject: Is the hw list working? In-Reply-To: <442B6A01.3040902-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <442B6A01.3040902@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <442C518E.3050002@utoronto.ca> No I don't think so. I tried posting and couldn't. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 21:47:27 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:47:27 -0500 Subject: Linux World Updates In-Reply-To: References: <20060330145257.13832.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <442BF2AB.8010505@telly.org> Message-ID: <442C51EF.8090708@telly.org> Christopher Browne wrote: >If I do not misremember, the last NewTLUG meeting had, as speaker, one of the GTALUG board members. > > I was at the last NewTLUG meeting. We discussed plans for LinuxWorld and there was nobody from GTALUG there. In any case, I'm fascinated by the logic which infers that merely having someone make a presentation at a meeting entitles them to speak on the attendees' behalf. >You are free to comment however you like. > I accurately stated the misrepresentations and conflicting statements. You or anyone else are free to refute; if any evidence exists that GTALUG provides resources to run NewTLUG, as was claimed, let's see it. A further check into facts indicates that Herb had problems with the phrase "_the_ voice of three Toronto area Linux user groups", yet that wording remained in Colin's final blurb. >It would be unfortunate if you were to poison the ongoing good relations, > I have, on multiple occasions, tried to establish contact to enable better relations between GTALUG, NewTLUG, and other groups in the region. I spoke with you personally at length about the benefits of doing this and you appeared to agree. Yet even getting the courtesy of a reply to requests to the GTALUG board, directly or through intermediaries such as yourself and William, appears to be an impossible task. I have made concrete suggestions about plans to increase GTALUG membership, but have yet to even be heard on them by the Board. And I have heard offline from other area LUGs that want nothing to do with GTALUG. If these are good relations I hesitate to ask what constitutes bad. I welcome any attempts to improve this situation. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 30 23:38:14 2006 From: mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org (mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:38:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Computers connecting to my Router In-Reply-To: <20060330201023.GA4688-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200603301944.28523.mervc@eol.ca> <20060330201023.GA4688@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <62241.69.63.59.249.1143761894.squirrel@69.63.59.249> > On Thu, Mar 30, 2006 at 07:44:28PM +0000, Merv Curley wrote: >> Hi gurus >> >> I have four computers on my lan, all running the same distro and 2 of >> them >> keep connecting,. The router is set to Disconnect after an idle period. >> Can >> anyone suggest what might be doing this? While this snippet of the log >> only >> shows .8 connecting, .7 is equally guilty. I think the log wouldn't >> fill >> up for a month if it wasn't for these connections. >> >> Enlightenment appreciated. >> >> PPPoE Idle Timeout !! Disconnect PPPoE line >> Mar/25/2006 16:17:02 >> PPPoE line connected >> Mar/25/2006 16:16:57 >> PPPoE: opening connection ... src:192.168.0.8:32820 dst:168.95.192.1:53 >> Mar/25/2006 15:27:31 >> PPPoE Idle Timeout !! Disconnect PPPoE line >> Mar/25/2006 15:15:23 >> PPPoE line connected >> Mar/25/2006 15:15:21 >> PPPoE: opening connection ... src:192.168.0.8:32819 dst:168.95.192.1:53 >> Mar/25/2006 14:25:55 >> PPPoE Idle Timeout !! Disconnect PPPoE line >> Mar/25/2006 14:13:47 >> PPPoE line connected >> Mar/25/2006 14:13:46 >> PPPoE: opening connection ... src:192.168.0.8:32818 dst:168.95.192.1:53 >> Mar/25/2006 13:24:20 >> PPPoE Idle Timeout !! Disconnect PPPoE line >> Mar/25/2006 13:12:13 >> PPPoE line connected >> Mar/25/2006 13:12:10 >> PPPoE: opening connection ... src:192.168.0.8:32817 dst:168.95.192.1:53 >> Mar/25/2006 12:22:44 >> PPPoE Idle Timeout !! Disconnect PPPoE line >> Mar/25/2006 12:10:39 >> PPPoE line connected > > So once per hour something is trying to do a DNS lookup (DNS is port > 53). So find out what process on the machine wants to do DNS once per > hour and get rid of it to solve it. > > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > ---------------------------- Powered by Execulink Webmail http://www.execulink.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 00:16:36 2006 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:16:36 -0500 Subject: [OT] my employer's looking for a field support eng. Message-ID: <442C74E4.802@rogers.com> Hey all, My employer's looking for another person... not strictly a linux related job, but *nix is definately on the menu and thought someone might be interested. Apologies if this is too OT. http://www.ncircle.com/index.php?s=company_jobs_srfieldse -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 01:40:29 2006 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:40:29 -0500 Subject: YUM Error Message-ID: <442C888D.409@sympatico.ca> Hi all; I have a PC I am setting up with FC4 for my son. Initially, I installed RH7.3 (what a great distro). I had yum working and updated/installed a few packages. Then I upgraded to FC4. After the upgrade, I did a 'yum update' and a huge number of packages were updated successfully, although I initially had to get rid of a few packages (probably left over from RH7.3) because of incompatibilties. All in all, yum successfuly downloaded and updated over 600M of packages. The next time I did a 'yum update', I got the following: "Error: Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: updates-released" (or extras or anything else) I have spent hours trying different things, including re-installing yum. I got lots of hits on google, but nothing I was able to use. Most tips dealt with changing proxies (I don't use a proxy) or fixing the DNS set up (it appears to be working when I ping a web site or use the command 'host '). I presently have another FC4 machine with the very same version of yum and it works fine, so it shouldn't be the yum version that's the problem. It seems that the problem might be the network, but I don't know what. Any ideas? If I can't get it fixed, it means re-installing FC4 from scratch, then dumping it for another distro if it happens again. Thanks, John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 01:58:13 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:58:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: The SCO Group City to City Tour In-Reply-To: <200603301630.33178.interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <200603301630.33178.interlug@weait.net> Message-ID: <20060331015813.10559.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: > So what? Well, The SCO Group is holding another > city to city tour to > promote their company. This year they have a stop > in Toronto on the > 18th of May 2006 at Dave and Buster's. And it's > free. Registration is > required. > > http;//sco.com/c2c_2006/index_pm.html > http://sco.com/c2c_2006/toronto.html > > So if you think that you can sit through their sales > pitch you can let > them spend a day wining ind dining you. Let them > cast their marketing > dollars on barren soil. Cool. I was at their event 3 years ago just after they started started the whole "We own Linux" @#$%. Good food, unkind comments about SCO from people who had worked for/with them, and some goodies that I later auctioned off on e-Bay. The roughest comments I heard were from a former SCO reseller who in order to close a sale with a MASSIVE fast food chain needed to support some odd ball point of sale terminals. This was a deal that would have been worth 10s if millions of dollars for SCO, but SCO refused to write the driver need to support those point of sale terminals. The reseller offer to pay SCO to develop said driver and again got no where. Seems that at the time it was SCO's position that the hardware vendors like point of sale vendors had to write drivers, not SCO... There was also an ex-SCO employee there looking for current SCO clients to move to his new employeer's offerings ... Microsoft (talk about downgrading :-) ). As for SCO stuff I got and sold via e-Bay a copy of SCO's mail server packages. Plus I got several SCO T-Shirts that make some of SCO's more aburd claims re: Linux, some of which I sold via e-Bay (I will sell the last one when IBM (or RedHat, or Novell, or ...) turns SCO into a smoking crater (soon I hape)). So, I have signed up for this event, I can enjoy a free feed, hear nasty gossip and depending on the swag it may be a profitable day :-) . Colin McGregor > Accurate and up to date information about The SCO > Group can be found > below. Discussion is probably better placed on > those fora than here. > > http://www.groklaw.com/ > http://messages.yahoo.com/?action=q&board=SCOX > http://www.ip-wars.net/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 02:33:44 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:33:44 -0500 Subject: Is the hw list working? In-Reply-To: <442C518E.3050002-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <442B6A01.3040902@pppoe.ca> <442C518E.3050002@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <442C9508.20500@pppoe.ca> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > No I don't think so. I tried posting and couldn't. > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > Thanks, Ivan for the confirmation. I just received a message at 20:45 tonight re my attempt at 20:23, March 27: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) Final-Recipient: rfc822;hw-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 (permanent failure) Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 5.4.7 - Delivery expired (message too old) '[Errno 61] Connection refused' (delivery attempts: 0) Reporting-MTA: dns; ironport.pppoe.ca Thanks again for taking the time to confirm that there is an issue :-) . Meng Cheah ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From andrew.emili-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 03:20:18 2006 From: andrew.emili-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrew Emili) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:20:18 -0500 Subject: JP: Linux System Adminstrator, UofT St. George Message-ID: <84e9f1ee0603301920o7434533cy4357dbaf7c0f728f@mail.gmail.com> Job Posting. PLEASE READ BEFORE APPLYING: 1) MUST HAVE System Administrator (Research Lab/Enterprise) in Linux Cluster Environment (10+ nodes) (2+ years) 2) MUST HAVE Systems Administrator (Research Lab/Enterprise) for Linux OS (5+ years) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Title: Systems Administrator Location:U of T, St. George Campus BACKGROUND: A position is open for a LINUX SYSTEMS ADMINISTRATOR in the Proteomics and Computational biology research group (www.utoronto.ca/emililab). The successful applicant will be part of a dynamic computational biology group and will collaborate with experimentalists and programmers on large-scale Proteomics projects in a highly interdisciplinary manner. RESPONSIBILITIES: - Plan, deploy, configure and maintain servers, clusters, operating systems, system applications and custom software in the production, test and development environments. - Plans and manages patch releases, preventative maintenance, and system upgrades. - Assures minimum downtime and optimal performance through proactive planning, tuning, troubleshooting, forensics and monitoring. - Builds and maintains all relevant technical documentation. - Participates in back up and disaster recovery planning and implementation. REQUIREMENTS: - Post secondary degree in computer science/engineering or a combination of related experience and education with a minimum of 5 years of recent hands-on technology experience. - Demonstrated experience installing, maintaining, operating, tuning and troubleshooting complex operating systems and applications in a CLUSTER environment. - At least 2 years of current hands-on experience managing Red Hat servers in a 24x7 production environment. - Strong desire to learn other new technologies - Willingness to work outside of regular business hours. - Excellent verbal and written communication skills. PREFERRED SKILLS: - Experience with Network Administration (Linux Routing and Firewall, VPN, Windows) - Understanding of TCP/IP and related protocols (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS, etc). - Experience with Windows Systems Support (XP, 2000) - Experience with SQL Database Administration and Support (PostgreSQL, MySQL) - Experience with Scripting Languages (Perl, PHP, Python) LOCATION: The Terrence Donnelly Centre for Cellular and Biomolecular Research (CCBR), University of Toronto. The brand new CCBR is equipped with state-of-the-art equipment and generous resources. Computational biologists will have chance to constantly interact and collaborate with experimentalists who are leaders in the fields of proteomics, functional genomics and gene expression. We are also part of the university wide Program in Proteomics and Bioinformatics (http://p-b.med.utoronto.ca/). TERMS, SALARY AND BENEFITS: The positions are funded for a maximum of 2 years. Pay grade depending on qualifications. Start Date: ASAP Duration: Full Time Status: open Contact: Dr. Andrew Emili Associate Professor Program in Proteomics and Bioinformatics Banting and Best Department of Medical Research Donnelly Centre for Cellular and Biomolecular Research (CCBR) University of Toronto How to apply: Please send a detailed CV with photo and 3 email contacts for references, by e-mail to andrew.emili-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org - subject line "TLUG: Application for Linux Systems Administrator Position" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 03:26:29 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:26:29 -0800 Subject: Posting Sys Admin Jobs to mailing group In-Reply-To: <50632.207.188.65.194.1143753113.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <442C1DA4.1020106@sympatico.ca> <50632.207.188.65.194.1143753113.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On 3/30/06, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > I would suggest also that job postings from employment agencies are not > appropriate. That could get out of hand very quickly. That's DEFINITELY a good guideline, there. Head hunters will take a mile if given a millimetre... And that could easily get overwhelming... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 04:27:35 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:27:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: The SCO Group City to City Tour In-Reply-To: <20060331015813.10559.qmail-JoSsSUNfUciB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <200603301630.33178.interlug@weait.net> <20060331015813.10559.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50813.207.188.65.194.1143779255.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> In my highly worthwhile ;) opinion, one could get a free meal at the Scott Mission for less mental anguish and with a more interesting crowd. P. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 04:44:26 2006 From: leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org (Leah Cunningham) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:44:26 -0500 Subject: GTALUG e-mail address confirmation In-Reply-To: <442CAB8E.3030204-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060219041838.926D13345F@sapphire.gtalug.org> <442CAB8E.3030204@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <200603302344.26842.leah@frauerpower.com> There were some problems with the outbound mail queue on gtalug.org that were just recently noticed and resolved. Subscription to some mailing lists may have failed, or you may see messages with old dates. Apologies for any inconvenience. Leah On Thursday 30 March 2006 23:09, Jamon Camisso wrote: > leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Someone, probably you from IP address 64.231.131.96, has registered an > > account "Jamon" with this e-mail address on GTALUG. > > > > To confirm that this account really does belong to you and activate > > e-mail features on GTALUG, open this link in your browser: > > > > http://tlug.ss.org/wiki/Special:Confirmemail/786b3eea17d051e9d1d9a46fa9ea > >c557 > > > > If this is *not* you, don't follow the link. This confirmation code > > will expire at 04:18, 26 February 2006. > > Is this legitimate? If so, 26 Feb. seems a little bit off to me. > > Jamon -- Leah Cunningham : d416-585-9971x692 : d416-703-5977 : m416-559-6511 Frauerpower! Co. : www.frauerpower.com : Toronto, ON Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 04:35:55 2006 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:35:55 -0500 Subject: book for free Message-ID: I am quitting IT in August so I am cleaning up my bookshelf. Below are some computer books I will give away for free. Professional Apache 2.0 http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/1861007221/qid=1142130038/sr=1-1/ref=s r_1_0_1/701-4486881-4068343 extreme programming explained http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/0321278658/qid=1142130228/sr=1-1/ref=s r_1_2_1/701-4486881-4068343 tcp/ip network administration,2nd edition http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565923227/qid=1142130732/sr=1-2/ref=s r_1_0_2/701-4486881-4068343 maximum linux security http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/0672321343/qid=1142130832/sr=1-1/ref=s r_1_0_1/701-4486881-4068343 oracle 8i certified professional DBA certification exam guide http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072130601/ref=si_1_1/701-4486881-4068 343 I also have Java, tomcat books to give away. If you are interested, reply to the list. I work in downtown Toronto. List mod, if you think this post is inappropriate, feel free to delete it. PQ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tarverator-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 04:46:55 2006 From: tarverator-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Tarver) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:46:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: book for free In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060331044655.56032.qmail@web50213.mail.yahoo.com> I'll take the Apache, tcp/ip, and Linux security books, with thanks. --Tarver Everything is the way it is because it got that way. ----- Original Message ---- From: Phillip Qin To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:35:55 PM Subject: [TLUG]: book for free I am quitting IT in August so I am cleaning up my bookshelf. Below are some computer books I will give away for free. [snip] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 05:32:20 2006 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:32:20 -0500 Subject: YUM Error In-Reply-To: <442C888D.409-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <442C888D.409@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <442CBEE4.5010507@interlog.com> John Moniz wrote: > I have a PC I am setting up with FC4 for my son. Initially, I installed > RH7.3 (what a great distro). I had yum working and updated/installed a > few packages. [snip] > I presently have another FC4 machine with the very same version of yum > and it works fine, so it shouldn't be the yum version that's the > problem. It seems that the problem might be the network, but I don't > know what. > > Any ideas? If I can't get it fixed, it means re-installing FC4 from > scratch, then dumping it for another distro if it happens again. Since the machine which has the non-working yum was upgraded from RH7.3 I would suggest you take a look at the contents of the yum.repos.d directory. The only files in there should be files ending in '.repo'. If you have files ending in .rpmsave the yum update wasn't complete and needed some manual intervention. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 13:17:36 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:17:36 -0500 Subject: Is the hw list working? In-Reply-To: <442C9508.20500-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <442B6A01.3040902@pppoe.ca> <442C518E.3050002@utoronto.ca> <442C9508.20500@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <442D2BF0.20109@utoronto.ca> It's working now. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 13:37:55 2006 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:37:55 -0500 Subject: IPCOP-VPN name resolution Message-ID: <63660c200603310537u54506a25j37c50c93730e6d0b@mail.gmail.com> I have been setting up the IPCOP 1.4.10 distro at everyone's place who has a highspeed internet. The Linksys Routers I used to use, (now sits unused) has an IPSEC VPN and L2TP pass-thru option, but no real IPSEC VPN running. The software I use is IPCOP 1.4.10 and TauVPN (Microsoft Support Tools are required to get a working IPSEC. By default, Microsoft only supports a L2TP VPN. (Even XP with SP2) IPCOP solution works great. I have a proper IPSEC-VPN at various locations around town. The only problem is, getting Netbios name packets thru the VPN. Netbios name packets I do not believe are a routeable protocol. So what should work? Wins? Dns? I say this only because there are still Microsoft boxes out there. But all the cool stuff is Linux. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 13:49:04 2006 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:49:04 -0500 Subject: satellite modems for linux Message-ID: <7BA31038-4DFF-4445-B94B-1CBB45C26259@visibleassets.com> Does anyone have any recommendations for this ? I'm looking for a satellite internet connection for *very* remote areas Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 14:05:56 2006 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:05:56 -0500 Subject: book for free In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/30/06, Phillip Qin wrote: > > I also have Java, tomcat books to give away. If you are interested, reply > to the list. I work in downtown Toronto. List mod, if you think this post is > inappropriate, feel free to delete it. > I would like the Java book(s) if they are still available . Thanks! -Steve. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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( 905 ) - 838 - 4444 http://www.broadbandontario.com/ -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca On-Site Computer Services - Available 24/7 Earn your service for FREE! Ask about our referral program. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From JimS-pFJmkVL1u50 at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 14:16:34 2006 From: JimS-pFJmkVL1u50 at public.gmane.org (Jim Skehill) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:16:34 -0500 Subject: book for free Message-ID: <33678E78A2DD4D418396703A750048D402B42C80@RIKER> If it's not too off-topic, Phillip, why are you "quitting IT"? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From simon-tlug-GaisZHhRk3c at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 14:36:24 2006 From: simon-tlug-GaisZHhRk3c at public.gmane.org (simon-tlug-GaisZHhRk3c at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:36:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Free passes for VON Canada (Apr 3rd-5th) Message-ID: Hi All, Just sending out an invite from the Toronto Asterisk Users Group: For those interested in VoIP, IPTV, and such stuff, there are FREE passes available for the VON Canada (www.voncanada.com) expo and industry perspectives next week, see our events page[1] midway down. The priority code when registering on VON's website is "VCTAUG". Also, feel free to come to our user group meeting being held at VON on Apr 4th. We'll have some asterisk use stories, Q&A, and a session on programming asterisk with PHP. It's completely open to the public, no registration required, just show up. See the events page[1] for directions. Cheers, Simon P. Ditner [1] http://taug.ca/index.php?page=calendar | First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, | then you win. -- Mohandas Gandhi | | The Toronto Asterisk Users Group | Join the discussion group by visiting http://taug.ca | or by sending email to asterisk-subscribe-GaisZHhRk3c at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 15:08:56 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:08:56 -0500 Subject: YUM Error In-Reply-To: <442CBEE4.5010507-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <442C888D.409@sympatico.ca> <442CBEE4.5010507@interlog.com> Message-ID: <442D4608.9030605@utoronto.ca> Kevin Cozens wrote: > John Moniz wrote: >> I have a PC I am setting up with FC4 for my son. Initially, I >> installed RH7.3 (what a great distro). I had yum working and >> updated/installed a few packages. > [snip] >> I presently have another FC4 machine with the very same version of yum >> and it works fine, so it shouldn't be the yum version that's the >> problem. It seems that the problem might be the network, but I don't >> know what. >> >> Any ideas? If I can't get it fixed, it means re-installing FC4 from >> scratch, then dumping it for another distro if it happens again. > > Since the machine which has the non-working yum was upgraded from RH7.3 > I would suggest you take a look at the contents of the yum.repos.d > directory. The only files in there should be files ending in '.repo'. If > you have files ending in .rpmsave the yum update wasn't complete and > needed some manual intervention. You might also check that the repositories listed there are set to enabled. Open each file and look for the enabled line and make sure that enabled=1 for each of the core repositories. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 15:25:34 2006 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 31 Mar 2006 10:25:34 -0500 Subject: [tpm] CORRECTION **** MJD Coming to Toronto Sat 13 May 2006 In-Reply-To: <442E86DD.2050800-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <1143472601.442801d9a2585@webmail.tht.net> <442E86DD.2050800@pobox.com> Message-ID: Richard Dice writes: > A reminder: if you'd like to provide a code contribution for MJD's talk then > please get it to him by April 14, so that he'll have time to incorporate it > into the talk. (Prizes are available for contributors; see the attached > message.) > > A note on fundraising: > > I collected $310 in cash from people at the meeting last night, only some of > which was previously pledged. Thanks very much, folks. That, plus > outstanding pledges, puts us at about 1/2 there. Richard, Since, undoubtedly, a number of TLUGgers will attend and benefit from this talk, perhaps they may be interested in a) knowing about it and b) sponsoring the event. Maybe GTALUG could help out, too? Anyway, my apoligies if this already made it to TLUG/NewTLUG lists. For anyone that doesn't know MJD, his talks are worth going to see (umm, it's a Perl thing, too :). Regards, Matthew > > > I'll provide further updates as stuff evolves. > > Cheers, > Richard > > Richard Dice wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I have final confirmation now -- Mark-Jason Dominus (aka MJD) has commited to > > the Toronto trip. We're tentatively scheduling the talk for the afternoon of > > Saturday 13 May, duration of approx. 4 hours. (This is tentative on my finding > > a room for that time period.) > > > > I have attached here a note from MJD he asked me to distribute. The main thrust > > of his speaking tour is in prepartion for his newest book, currently under > > constructions, "Perl Program Repair Shop and Red Flags". He would like code > > contributions -- see details in his letter. We'll get him to give a talk about > > this and also another from his repetoire. (See the "Free talks" section on > > http://perl.plover.com/yak/#free ) Suggestions are welcome! > > > > The talk is free, but donations are both appreciated and needed! The only > > support for this event is what comes from its attendees. Thanks to all who have > > pledged already. > > > > Cheers, > > Richard > > > > (The following verbatim from MJD.) > > > > Dear Toronto Perl Mongers, > > > > I'm coming to visit you on May 13 as part of my tour to gather > > material for my new book, which I hope will be published in > > 2007. The book is about code review and refactoring in Perl. > > (For more complete information, please see > > http://perl.plover.com/flagbook/ .) > > > > To do the job right, I need real examples of real code that > > other people wrote. I'll review the code and fix it up, and > > explain in the book what I did and why. > > > > Please send me some code to look at so that I have something > > to talk about on May 13. I need it no later than Friday, > > April 14, but sooner is better. > > > > What I need: code for a program or module that is between 150 > > and 700 lines long, not counting comments or blank lines. > > Also, you must be authorized to give me permission to use the > > code in my book. > > > > If I use your code in the talk, I will give you a free copy of > > my last book, _Higher-Order Perl_. > > (http://hop.perl.plover.com/) If I use your code in the new > > book, you'll get a free copy of that when it comes out. > > > > If you want more details about what I need, please see: > > > > http://perl.plover.com/flagbook/contribute.html > > > > To contribute, send code to: > > > > mjd-contrib-tor-ZxR0713JXSrQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org > > > > Questions? Send them to: > > > > mjd-ZxR0713JXSrQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > > > > ================================================= > > This email appears to originate from the Toronto Perl Mongers Listserver. > > > > Listserv : tpm-BnhL/mGhxvTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org > > Administrative queries: owner-tpm-BnhL/mGhxvTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================= > This email appears to originate from the Toronto Perl Mongers Listserver. > > Listserv : tpm-BnhL/mGhxvTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org > Administrative queries: owner-tpm-BnhL/mGhxvTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org > -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 15:24:32 2006 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:24:32 -0500 Subject: slowwness at boot (hours) Message-ID: <200603311024.32420.marc@lijour.net> Hi I have an issue with my RAID1 system. I use Mandriva 2006 on x86_64. First the system hangs while running fsck on one partition. I solved this by booting on a live cd and running fsck from there. I ran fsck -y /dev/sd{a,b} 5. From the live cd, I also ran mdadm --examine and it tells me the drives are in sync. Now, I reboot from the hard drive and I get one array which is missing a drive. But worse, the boot process is extremely slow (it can take hours to fire one daemon). I have also a couple of bad looking reports such as /dev/tty0 does not exist, and some other config files missing. Would you know what is causing this? Is the data corrupted? Can I get it back? Thanks marc -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 15:32:33 2006 From: shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:32:33 -0500 Subject: IPCOP-VPN name resolution In-Reply-To: <63660c200603310537u54506a25j37c50c93730e6d0b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <63660c200603310537u54506a25j37c50c93730e6d0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603311032.33332.shrike@heinous.org> On Friday 31 March 2006 08:37, teddy mills wrote: > I have been setting up the IPCOP 1.4.10 distro at everyone's > place who has a highspeed internet. > > The Linksys Routers I used to use, (now sits unused) has an > IPSEC VPN and L2TP pass-thru option, but no real IPSEC VPN running. > > The software I use is IPCOP 1.4.10 and TauVPN (Microsoft Support > Tools are required to get a working IPSEC. > By default, Microsoft only supports a L2TP VPN. (Even XP with SP2) > > IPCOP solution works great. > I have a proper IPSEC-VPN at various locations around town. > > The only problem is, getting Netbios name packets thru the VPN. > Netbios name packets I do not believe are a routeable protocol. > So what should work? Wins? Dns? > > I say this only because there are still Microsoft boxes out > there. But all the cool stuff is Linux. It was my understanding that starting with W2k, MS did not use netbios, but rather used wins / dns over IP. If you have machines using netbios still, you will need to remove netbios and setup wins over IP for all network browse requests. Does linux support netbios? -Joseph- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 15:37:45 2006 From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:37:45 -0500 Subject: YUM Error In-Reply-To: <442C888D.409-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <442C888D.409@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <1143819465.442d4cc972a06@webmail.uoguelph.ca> Quoting John Moniz : > Hi all; > > I have a PC I am setting up with FC4 for my son. Initially, I installed > RH7.3 (what a great distro). I had yum working and updated/installed a > few packages. > > Then I upgraded to FC4. After the upgrade, I did a 'yum update' and a > huge number of packages were updated successfully, although I initially > had to get rid of a few packages (probably left over from RH7.3) because > of incompatibilties. All in all, yum successfuly downloaded and updated > over 600M of packages. > > The next time I did a 'yum update', I got the following: "Error: Cannot > find a valid baseurl for repo: updates-released" (or extras or anything > else) > > I have spent hours trying different things, including re-installing yum. > I got lots of hits on google, but nothing I was able to use. Most tips > dealt with changing proxies (I don't use a proxy) or fixing the DNS set > up (it appears to be working when I ping a web site or use the command > 'host '). > > I presently have another FC4 machine with the very same version of yum > and it works fine, so it shouldn't be the yum version that's the > problem. It seems that the problem might be the network, but I don't > know what. > > Any ideas? If I can't get it fixed, it means re-installing FC4 from > scratch, then dumping it for another distro if it happens again. > > Thanks, > > John. My two cents: check the files in /etc/yum.repos.d and, in addition to making sure they're enabled, make sure that the baseurl exists, ie. try browsing to it from a web browser. If not, try finding the correct one then replacing the line in the repo file. Running yum clean all might be a little help too. Tom Watts wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 16:50:13 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:50:13 -0500 Subject: slowwness at boot (hours) In-Reply-To: <200603311024.32420.marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200603311024.32420.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: <1143823813.24183.419.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 10:24 -0500, Marc Lijour wrote: > Hi > > I have an issue with my RAID1 system. I use Mandriva 2006 on x86_64. > > First the system hangs while running fsck on one partition. I solved this by > booting on a live cd and running fsck from there. I ran fsck -y /dev/sd{a,b} > 5. Using a Journalled file systems like ext3 will alleviate an extended fsck in the event of a hard shutdown. > From the live cd, I also ran mdadm --examine and it tells me the > drives are in sync. > > Now, I reboot from the hard drive and I get one array which is missing a > drive. But worse, the boot process is extremely slow (it can take hours to > fire one daemon). I have also a couple of bad looking reports such > as /dev/tty0 does not exist, and some other config files missing. Would you > know what is causing this? Is the data corrupted? Can I get it back? Check your DNS. If a service is reliant on DNS it can take some time to come up, however I would expected minutes per daemon, not an hour. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. Chief Technology Officer 564 Weber St. N. 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My bad, I should have mentioned I use ext3. Precisely the problem started with a hang while the system was "recovering the journal". > > From the live cd, I also ran mdadm --examine and it tells me the > > drives are in sync. > > > > Now, I reboot from the hard drive and I get one array which is missing a > > drive. But worse, the boot process is extremely slow (it can take hours > > to fire one daemon). I have also a couple of bad looking reports such as > > /dev/tty0 does not exist, and some other config files missing. Would you > > know what is causing this? Is the data corrupted? Can I get it back? > > Check your DNS. If a service is reliant on DNS it can take some time to > come up, however I would expected minutes per daemon, not an hour. All services are slow. My first guess was that the raid arrays are syncing, but I am not sure anymore. Because I don't have a prompt it is hard to say. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 19:06:16 2006 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:06:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: slowwness at boot (hours) In-Reply-To: <200603311354.14305.marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200603311354.14305.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: <20060331190616.10174.qmail@web88010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> On March 31, 2006 11:50 am, John Van Ostrand wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 10:24 -0500, Marc Lijour wrote: > > Hi > > > > I have an issue with my RAID1 system. I use Mandriva 2006 on x86_64. > > > > First the system hangs while running fsck on one partition. I solved this > > by booting on a live cd and running fsck from there. I ran fsck -y > > /dev/sd{a,b} 5. > > Using a Journalled file systems like ext3 will alleviate an extended > fsck in the event of a hard shutdown. | My bad, I should have mentioned I use ext3. | Precisely the problem started with a hang while the system was "recovering the | journal". > > From the live cd, I also ran mdadm --examine and it tells me the > > drives are in sync. > > > > Now, I reboot from the hard drive and I get one array which is missing a > > drive. But worse, the boot process is extremely slow (it can take hours > > to fire one daemon). I have also a couple of bad looking reports such as > > /dev/tty0 does not exist, and some other config files missing. Would you > > know what is causing this? Is the data corrupted? Can I get it back? > > Check your DNS. If a service is reliant on DNS it can take some time to > come up, however I would expected minutes per daemon, not an hour. | All services are slow. My first guess was that the raid arrays are syncing, | but I am not sure anymore. Because I don't have a prompt it is hard to say. I'm going to guess that you're experiencing hardware failure. The only times I've ever seen slow reading disk drives and otherwise erratic behaviour like you describe has been when I've had hard drives fail. -M -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 19:16:52 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:16:52 -0500 Subject: slowwness at boot (hours) In-Reply-To: <20060331190616.10174.qmail-PllgjHOHifKB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060331190616.10174.qmail@web88010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1143832612.3542.25.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 11:06 -0800, Matthew Godycki wrote: > I'm going to guess that you're experiencing hardware failure. > The only times I've ever seen slow reading disk drives and > otherwise erratic behaviour like you describe has been when > I've had hard drives fail. The other option is that the file system is still a little mangled. I'd try a forced fscsk fsck -f /dev/blah And see if it finds anything wrong. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. Chief Technology Officer 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 519-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 19:56:44 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:56:44 -0500 Subject: OT - 802.11a Wireless equipment for sale Message-ID: <200603311456.45114.jason@detachednetworks.ca> I thought I would post this here before listing the equipment on eBay. If anyone is experiencing problems with interference with other 802.11b,g networks, then this may be the solution for you. 2 x Sony Vaio PCWA-A500 802.11a wireless LAN Access Points 1 x Linksys WPC55AG 802.11a,b,g Wireless PCMCIA Card - uses the madwifi drivers Open to offers. Reply off-list please. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca On-Site Computer Services - Available 24/7 Earn your service for FREE! Ask about our referral program. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 20:24:10 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:24:10 -0500 Subject: "U.S. Asks European Union to Be Fair in Microsoft Case" Message-ID: <99a6c38f0603311224va603e43k32b7a8173aa88e5e@mail.gmail.com> (Gotta love RSS) "U.S. Asks European Union to Be Fair in Microsoft Case" http://tinyurl.com/g34ja http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/business/worldbusiness/31soft.html?ex=1301461200&en=ff316e2e5a416a24&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss When will it stop? -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com "A revolution is coming - a revolution which will be peaceful if we are wise enough; compassionate if we care enough; successful if we are fortunate enough - but a revolution which is coming whether we will it or not. We can affect its character, we cannot alter its inevitability." - John F. Kennedy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 20:44:45 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:44:45 -0500 Subject: OT - 802.11a Wireless equipment for sale In-Reply-To: <200603311456.45114.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200603311456.45114.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <20060331204445.GB4688@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 31, 2006 at 02:56:44PM -0500, Jason Shein wrote: > I thought I would post this here before listing the equipment on eBay. > > If anyone is experiencing problems with interference with other 802.11b,g > networks, then this may be the solution for you. > > 2 x Sony Vaio PCWA-A500 802.11a wireless LAN Access Points > 1 x Linksys WPC55AG 802.11a,b,g Wireless PCMCIA Card - uses the madwifi > drivers But that would interfere with my cordless phone. :) Or vice versa. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 20:46:52 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:46:52 +0300 (IDT) Subject: "U.S. Asks European Union to Be Fair in Microsoft Case" In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0603311224va603e43k32b7a8173aa88e5e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0603311224va603e43k32b7a8173aa88e5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > When will it stop? Exactly 3 days after h at ll freezes over, or boils over, whichever happens *last*. These guys are in it for the money, nothing but the money, and all of the money, and there is nothing that they won't try to get and to keep it. Becoming a monopoly and getting fat on revenue for so long after having defeated fair justice on their own turf opens an appetite for making it permanent everywhere if possible (or impossible). I no longer react to such news at all because I sort of expect them to keep their own standards as high as possible. They are sort of setting the records. After all they blow all that money on lobbies for a reason, no ? I do not remember reading anything resembling what they usually get away with since stories from colonial times about rubber, opium, silk and related valuable substances (19th century or before). This is related to Linux in the sense that we may be looking at a scenario that will be repated often if successfull. As in, lobbying government(s) against open source software on various grounds, successfully. Or just plain buying them off if possible (smaller countries have GNPs smaller than this firm's assets). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 20:55:06 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:55:06 -0500 Subject: OT - 802.11a Wireless equipment for sale In-Reply-To: <20060331204445.GB4688-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200603311456.45114.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <20060331204445.GB4688@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200603311555.06574.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Friday 31 March 2006 15:44, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Mar 31, 2006 at 02:56:44PM -0500, Jason Shein wrote: > > I thought I would post this here before listing the equipment on eBay. > > > > If anyone is experiencing problems with interference with other 802.11b,g > > networks, then this may be the solution for you. > > > > 2 x Sony Vaio PCWA-A500 802.11a wireless LAN Access Points > > 1 x Linksys WPC55AG 802.11a,b,g Wireless PCMCIA Card - uses the madwifi > > drivers > > But that would interfere with my cordless phone. :) Or vice versa. > > Len Sorensen Yes but 802.11a has 12 non-overlapping channels versus 802.11b/g which has only 3 ( ch 1,6,11 ) -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca On-Site Computer Services - Available 24/7 Earn your service for FREE! Ask about our referral program. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 21:17:18 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:17:18 -0500 Subject: OT - 802.11a Wireless equipment for sale In-Reply-To: <200603311555.06574.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200603311456.45114.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <20060331204445.GB4688@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200603311555.06574.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <20060331211717.GC4688@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 31, 2006 at 03:55:06PM -0500, Jason Shein wrote: > Yes but 802.11a has 12 non-overlapping channels versus 802.11b/g which has > only 3 ( ch 1,6,11 ) Right, and it is very unlikely to overlap with your neighbours, since they probably aren't running 802.11a anyhow. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 23:12:45 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:12:45 +0000 Subject: [tpm] CORRECTION **** MJD Coming to Toronto Sat 13 May 2006 In-Reply-To: References: <1143472601.442801d9a2585@webmail.tht.net> <442E86DD.2050800@pobox.com> Message-ID: On 31 Mar 2006 10:25:34 -0500, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > Richard Dice writes: > > A reminder: if you'd like to provide a code contribution for MJD's talk then > > please get it to him by April 14, so that he'll have time to incorporate it > > into the talk. (Prizes are available for contributors; see the attached > > message.) > > > > A note on fundraising: > > > > I collected $310 in cash from people at the meeting last night, only some of > > which was previously pledged. Thanks very much, folks. That, plus > > outstanding pledges, puts us at about 1/2 there. > > Richard, > > Since, undoubtedly, a number of TLUGgers will attend and benefit from this > talk, perhaps they may be interested in a) knowing about it and b) sponsoring > the event. > > Maybe GTALUG could help out, too? It seems an excellent idea for some GTALUG people to head out and potentially help sponsor the event. It would be in poor taste to go, and not do *something* other than look guilty when they pass around the hat... I don't think it makes sense at this point for GTALUG to try to be involved in payment; that convolutes things unnecessarily, as there's not thousand$ of dollar$ to throw at thing$. Alas, May 13th I'm elsewhere :-( > Anyway, my apoligies if this already made it to TLUG/NewTLUG lists. > > For anyone that doesn't know MJD, his talks are worth going to see (umm, it's > a Perl thing, too :). I think I'd sorta rather hear the Higher Order Perl talk, but this could be good... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 23:31:59 2006 From: leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org (Leah Cunningham) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:31:59 -0500 Subject: Postfix-mailing list-whitelist In-Reply-To: <63660c200603310628se13670di2b65362877e94611-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <63660c200603310628se13670di2b65362877e94611@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603311831.59550.leah@frauerpower.com> On Friday 31 March 2006 09:28, teddy mills wrote: > On an existing postfix mailing list (major domo i think) > Is it possible to enable a whitelist or some other type of user > authentication? Could you be a little more specific on what your goal is. It is possible to implement whitelists and blacklist in many different ways on postfix, but It's hard to recommend anything, because you have not given an example or a clear statement of what you would like to do. -- Leah Cunningham : d416-585-9971x692 : d416-703-5977 : m416-559-6511 Frauerpower! Co. : www.frauerpower.com : Toronto, ON Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 31 23:54:20 2006 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:54:20 -0500 Subject: "U.S. Asks European Union to Be Fair in Microsoft Case" In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0603311224va603e43k32b7a8173aa88e5e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0603311224va603e43k32b7a8173aa88e5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060331185420.5d0e3b42.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:24:10 -0500 Scott Elcomb got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > "U.S. Asks European Union to Be Fair in Microsoft Case" This from a country that has consistently violated every single document it's ever signed, from it's own constitution to treaties to trade agreements to arms control agreements to, etc. etc. Microsoft has a good friend in that bunch of gangster thugs. Sorry, I know this is about MS, but my sense of irony went off like a clarion ;-) The bad news is, the EU will probably kowtow (sp?), but the *great* news is the US, and MS, are rapidly losing ground where the growth is strongest: Latin America and Asia. Bye bye MS, bye bye US. Good riddance. -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master." -- Hunter S. Thompson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml