From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 01:29:17 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:29:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: So Rogers has lost me as a customer... In-Reply-To: <35820ADD-D28B-4BA0-A184-D316CA98481A-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <35820ADD-D28B-4BA0-A184-D316CA98481A@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: <87ek2nooib.fsf@gmail.com> Andrew> Personally, once I went with gmail, I never looked back. Hosting Andrew> my own email was a good learning experience, but in the end it Andrew> was just a pain. I only did it to get the spam filtering, which Andrew> gmail has. YMMV. But you have no control over it other than manually flagging single messages. My reason for settling for gmail for now is that both directions (pop and smtp) are SSL/TLS. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 01:36:03 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:36:03 -0500 Subject: So Rogers has lost me as a customer... In-Reply-To: <20060131165422.GW18971-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <20060130215118.GU18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4386c5b20601301524m72b28055j898ac9f3bb90c764@mail.gmail.com> <20060131165422.GW18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <43E01083.3050802@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 06:24:13PM -0500, Aaron Vegh wrote: >> Actually it's 6Mb. But real world is a very different beast, >> naturally! I just got 1217/616 on speakeasy, but I've also seen as >> high as 5000+. For performance, hey, I can't complain: I like Rogers >> and I'm not switching anytime soon. > > Well it was 5Mbit when I signed up a year ago. I haven't noticed the > speed change ever. I still get 500 - 600KB/s downloads from some sites, > so that seems like the rights speed to me. Having never seen over > 600KB/s I doubt it is 6Mbit/s. Maybe they changed it recently. > > Too bad it costs so much, won't let me run servers, won't let me have a > real static ip, etc... Extreme is 5 Mb/800 Kb and the speed test shows I get about those numbers. Rogers does have "static" host names and virtually static IPs. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 03:49:26 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 31 Jan 2006 22:49:26 -0500 Subject: rpmbuild vs Xconfig In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kihara Muriithi writes: > > If you want to rebuild a kernel that is similar to the Fedora kernel, install > > the kernel-source RPM (note: this is not the same as the kernel SRPM) > Hmm, I actually have SRPM. This is intentional since I assumed it > would be more rpmbuild friendly. Yes, if you're going to use rpmbuild, the SRPM is the place to start. However, as I said in my earlier reply, I don't recommend that approach because building kernel RPMS (from an SRPM) is complicated. Even if you're expert at creating RPMS from scratch, it will probably take you several days to modify and build a kernel RPM. It is _much_ easier to build from the kernel source tree. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 04:39:23 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:39:23 -0500 Subject: "Re: in Subject Fields" Message-ID: <43E03B7B.4070704@utoronto.ca> My email client (Thunderbird 1.5) has the annoying habit of inserting "Re:" when I reply to an email. How do I stop this. Ivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 04:50:12 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:50:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: "Re: in Subject Fields" In-Reply-To: <43E03B7B.4070704-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <43E03B7B.4070704@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <87zmlbn0n0.fsf@gmail.com> Ivan> My email client (Thunderbird 1.5) has the annoying habit of Ivan> inserting "Re:" when I reply to an email. Ivan> How do I stop this. Isn't that an almost universal convention? I'd call it quite annoying if my MUA (or my correspondent's) _didn't_ do it. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 04:54:44 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:54:44 -0500 Subject: "Re: in Subject Fields" In-Reply-To: <87zmlbn0n0.fsf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <43E03B7B.4070704@utoronto.ca> <87zmlbn0n0.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E03F14.40205@utoronto.ca> Ian Zimmerman wrote: > Ivan> My email client (Thunderbird 1.5) has the annoying habit of > Ivan> inserting "Re:" when I reply to an email. > Ivan> How do I stop this. > > Isn't that an almost universal convention? I'd call it quite annoying > if my MUA (or my correspondent's) _didn't_ do it. > Re: is redundant because it's already in the subject field. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 05:14:50 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:14:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: "Re: in Subject Fields" In-Reply-To: <43E03F14.40205-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <43E03B7B.4070704@utoronto.ca> <87zmlbn0n0.fsf@gmail.com> <43E03F14.40205@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <87vevzmzhy.fsf@gmail.com> Ivan> Re: is redundant because it's already in the subject field. It prefixes it a second time? I thought better of Thunderbird. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 05:34:50 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 00:34:50 -0500 Subject: "Re: in Subject Fields" In-Reply-To: <87vevzmzhy.fsf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <43E03B7B.4070704@utoronto.ca> <87zmlbn0n0.fsf@gmail.com> <43E03F14.40205@utoronto.ca> <87vevzmzhy.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E0487A.1060607@utoronto.ca> Ian Zimmerman wrote: > Ivan> Re: is redundant because it's already in the subject field. > > It prefixes it a second time? I thought better of Thunderbird. > No. What I meant to say was the use of "Re:" is redundant in the subject field. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 05:49:27 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 00:49:27 -0500 Subject: "Re: in Subject Fields" In-Reply-To: <43E0487A.1060607-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <43E03B7B.4070704@utoronto.ca> <87zmlbn0n0.fsf@gmail.com> <43E03F14.40205@utoronto.ca> <87vevzmzhy.fsf@gmail.com> <43E0487A.1060607@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <43E04BE7.5050306@utoronto.ca> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Ian Zimmerman wrote: >> Ivan> Re: is redundant because it's already in the subject field. >> >> It prefixes it a second time? I thought better of Thunderbird. >> > No. What I meant to say was the use of "Re:" is redundant in the subject > field. > > Ivan. Without a threaded view, things would get rather confusing in short order for anyone who deals with any sort of volume of messages. Agreed that with a threaded view it is somewhat of an unnecessary thing, but even with filters for folders and contacts, I'd have a hard time figuring out which messages are an immediate priority and which can wait. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 11:28:30 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 06:28:30 -0500 Subject: "Re: in Subject Fields" In-Reply-To: <43E03B7B.4070704-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <43E03B7B.4070704@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <43E09B5E.9030809@rogers.com> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > My email client (Thunderbird 1.5) has the annoying habit of inserting > "Re:" when I reply to an email. > > How do I stop this. That's common practice for any mail client I've seen. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 11:31:43 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 06:31:43 -0500 Subject: "Re: in Subject Fields" In-Reply-To: <43E0487A.1060607-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <43E03B7B.4070704@utoronto.ca> <87zmlbn0n0.fsf@gmail.com> <43E03F14.40205@utoronto.ca> <87vevzmzhy.fsf@gmail.com> <43E0487A.1060607@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <43E09C1F.8000904@rogers.com> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Ian Zimmerman wrote: >> Ivan> Re: is redundant because it's already in the subject field. >> >> It prefixes it a second time? I thought better of Thunderbird. >> > No. What I meant to say was the use of "Re:" is redundant in the subject > field. That is standard practice in mail clients. If it didn't how'd you know if it was a reply or original message? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lfeder-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 15:03:44 2006 From: lfeder-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 10:03:44 -0500 Subject: dynamic dns-nat-portforwarding lan-server question Message-ID: 1. I setup my server as a 192.168.10.10 LAN server. 2. enabled NAT and PORTFORWARDING on the Linksys internet router to 192.168.10.10. now server was internet accessible via my routers IP. 3. enabled the dynamic dns feature on the linksys, so now my server could now be accessed via the URL you know, http://vger1.dyndns.org 4. at home I can access the server both as vger1.dyndns.org or as 192.168.10.10 when at home, I access the server via 192.168.10.10, since this is much faster and reduces traffic through the internet WAN interface. (is this right?) FINALLY, we can now get to my question! :) I installed a bunch of FOSS programs you can see on the left menu. I cannot uninstall these FOSS programs, as the size of the website is over 600Mb, plus when I installed these FOSS programs, I used the URL http://vger1.dyndns.org over and over again. So my question is, if I were to do this over again, but this time ONLY USE THE LAN ADDESS 192.168.10.10, I figure everything should still work? (no guarantee on this) I mean if I got the dynamic-dns-portforwarding URL working BEFORE installing the FOSS apps. Thus when I use the 192.168.10.10, the live vger1.dyndns.org URL would work for those FOSS apps, that required a proper URL to function. (yes that sounds right. Get the dynamic dns- portforwarding working BEFORE installing the FOSS apps. The good part of this method (assuming it works) is then the server could be easily made to work on ANY dynamic dns address. Thus I could have multiple servers of this type. Opinions? All the FOSS programs work locally on 192.168.10.10, but would still work as if it were vger1.dyndns.org. The only drawback I can see to using the dynamic dns URL in all the FOSS programs, is that I cannot change the dynamic dns name. That is to say, my webserver will only work as long as vger1.dyndns.org resolves. Opinions on this setup? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 15:20:25 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:20:25 -0500 Subject: nmap 4.00 is out Message-ID: <200602011020.26168.jason@detachednetworks.ca> For those of you who may be interested, nmap 4.00 was released. http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ There is an interview with the creator Fyodor here: http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/384 There is a substantial speed increase, often 4x. It now correctly identifies most hardware devices ( routers & access points ) as well as OS fingerprinting has improved. If anyone is interested, I have a built a .deb file for Ubuntu Breezy 5.10 http://detachednetworks.ca/nmap_4.00-1_i386.deb Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 15:33:21 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:33:21 -0500 Subject: So Rogers has lost me as a customer... In-Reply-To: <1138744093.18644.21.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <20060130215118.GU18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4386c5b20601301524m72b28055j898ac9f3bb90c764@mail.gmail.com> <20060131165422.GW18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1E59F4F2-B44D-49E6-B3BA-938A1AB5DCAD@ca.afilias.info> <20060131212625.GZ18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1138744093.18644.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060201153321.GA18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 04:48:13PM -0500, Vince Fry wrote: > The claim by Bell is for their wireless service. Wow, their add is really not very clear at all is it. :) Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 15:39:52 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:39:52 -0500 Subject: So Rogers has lost me as a customer... In-Reply-To: <6AE472F1-9C2A-42C5-BA3C-73B96336047C-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <20060130215118.GU18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4386c5b20601301524m72b28055j898ac9f3bb90c764@mail.gmail.com> <20060131165422.GW18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1E59F4F2-B44D-49E6-B3BA-938A1AB5DCAD@ca.afilias.info> <20060131212625.GZ18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <6AE472F1-9C2A-42C5-BA3C-73B96336047C@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: <20060201153952.GB18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 05:23:23PM -0500, Andrew Hammond wrote: > Sure, but they only measure throughput of the file you're > transferring. They don't include any of the overhead. You need to > consider the overhead as well if you're going to make a serious > analysis of the actual speed of your connection. http is quite efficient and doesn't have much overhead. Comparing ethernet to my cable modem with ethernet to another machine should be quite reasonable. I have managed about 11MB/s on 100Mbit ethernet. So I think expecting 95% or so throughput on a 5Mbit cable connection is reasonable too. > Uh... 80% isn't amazing, but it's not too bad, at least in my > opinion. Have you looked at packet loss rates? I figure it they sell me a 5Mbit service that should be what data rate I can put through the ethernet interface of the cablemodem. What overhead their cable signal encoding has is their problem. Checking rogers web site it appears they have changed the extreme service from 5 to 6Mbit and increased the transfer limit from 60 to 100GB/month. How nice of them to tell me. :) > Oh, is that their new wireless thing? Personally, I think I'll wait > until there's fiber options available before I ditch the cable. > Rogers has been sufficiently reliable, at least for me. However we > have a fiber connection at work... Sounds nice. > Well, if it's really that important, you could certainly move again. > Or, consider it the next time you do move. I did. I asked my ISP and they asked bell and was told that yes the new location had DSL. From what I found out later it seems that yes they offer DSL, but the DSLAM is full and they aren't adding another one for a while. So yes I checked, and both me and the ISP was rather surprised to find out later it wasn't actually going to be possible. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 15:42:05 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:42:05 -0500 Subject: So Rogers has lost me as a customer... In-Reply-To: <17c359fc0601311551v3dd5dfa8rfda06d6747aad0fd-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <20060130215118.GU18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4386c5b20601301524m72b28055j898ac9f3bb90c764@mail.gmail.com> <20060131165422.GW18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1E59F4F2-B44D-49E6-B3BA-938A1AB5DCAD@ca.afilias.info> <20060131212625.GZ18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <6AE472F1-9C2A-42C5-BA3C-73B96336047C@ca.afilias.info> <17c359fc0601311551v3dd5dfa8rfda06d6747aad0fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060201154205.GC18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 06:51:35PM -0500, Leigh Honeywell wrote: > EVDO, the "new Bell wireless thing" is only around 2.4 Mbps. There is > a 25 Mbps service being rolled out, but you can only get 5 of actual > internet off it - the other 20 are being used to deliver IPTV. 2 > channels at 10Mbps per. Over a traditional phone line, currently only > rolled out to a few CO's. > > But screw the next-gen DSL. I'd like some FTTP please :-) VHDSL looks nice, although it looks like it essentially would be running fibre to the block, and then switching it to DSL over the phoneline at that point. Does make the fibre all the way seem about as simple. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 15:43:02 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:43:02 -0500 Subject: So Rogers has lost me as a customer... In-Reply-To: <000e01c626b3$ee2a0310$81fbc645@unipc> References: <20060131165422.GW18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <000e01c626b3$ee2a0310$81fbc645@unipc> Message-ID: <20060201154302.GD18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 05:16:05PM -0500, Joseph wrote: > Checkout http://www.tzo.com/ > > I have never used them but came across their page while doing some research. > > The paragraph below is from their site. > With Dynamic DNS (DDNS), you can set up a domain name that can be used to > access your connection so that you don't need to know what IP address is > currently assigned to you. By using the TZO Client Software (no charge), > you will never have worry about your IP address again because it will > automatically determine what IP address is assigned to you and update your > domain name to point to your current IP address. > > The service goes for about 60 USD That's apart from registering your domain > name. I already have a free dyndns entry for my IP that I update on the rare occations the IP changes. Doesn't change the fact I am not allowed to run servers on rogers. I do run ssh though so I can connect to my machine. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 18:36:38 2006 From: billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:36:38 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Job interview question In-Reply-To: ; from talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org on Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 05:43:06PM -0500 References: <20060112212101.31F6.MAGOG@the-wire.com> <17de01c617f4$b56f09d0$6a00a8c0@roadhog> Message-ID: <20060201133638.B24503@diamond.ss.org> Consider the following outcome to the situation: The solution given was: give the keys to your friend, tell him to take the old woman to the hosiptal, and stay with the love of your life waiting for the bus. Now the solution has the following outcome: 40% chance Your friend who is in a psychotic state, decides instead to opt for a murder suicide, and drives your car off a cliff. The love of your life, a deeply religious person decides, you're actions that night was really part of a satanic ritual and wants nothing to do with you. 35% chance Your friend takes the old lady to the hospital, and you start the relationship you want. 25% chance Your friend gets into an accident, because he doesn't have a drivers license, kills himself and the old woman, but you start the relationship with the love of your life. Thus: there is a 60% chance you start a relationship, and a 65% chance that two people die. Would you choose the strategy, knowing the outcome? Bill On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 05:43:06PM -0500, Alex Beamish wrote: > On 1/12/06, Indy Singh wrote: > > > > > > You are driving along in your car on a wild, stormy night. You pass by a > > bus stop, and you see three people waiting for the bus: > > > > 1. An old lady who looks as if she is about to die. > > 2. An old friend who once saved your life. > > 3. The perfect man (or) woman you have been dreaming about. > > > > Which one would you choose to offer a ride to, knowing that there could > > only be one passenger in your car. > > > > Think before you continue reading. This is a moral/ethical dilemma that > > was once actually used as part of a job application. > > > Interesting question .. obviously, I don't think far enough outside the box. > > I imagined stoppping, helping the old lady into the car, saying hello to my > old friend and asking the young lady for her phone number in case the bus > has come by the time I come back to pick her up. > > That's a cute question, but it's tough to imagine using a brain teaser in an > interview situation unless you were trying to figure out if the candidate in > question was really quite smart (but having a bad day) or a dolt (but making > a lot of good guesses). > > Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 19:35:29 2006 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 01 Feb 2006 14:35:29 -0500 Subject: [tpm] Job interview question In-Reply-To: <20060201133638.B24503-l+PWtdWbHAuXFJAUJl40Xg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060112212101.31F6.MAGOG@the-wire.com> <17de01c617f4$b56f09d0$6a00a8c0@roadhog> <20060201133638.B24503@diamond.ss.org> Message-ID: billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org writes: > Thus: there is a 60% chance you start a relationship, and a 65% chance that > two people die. > > Would you choose the strategy, knowing the outcome? You forgot some obvious ones, though. Such as a 10% chance that your friend ends up scoring with the old lady, while you end up with a highly attractive cross-dresser (they drop tokens one at a time just like everyone else). Or a 3% chance that kermit the frog jumps out of the bushes, mistakes the lady you are with for Miss Piggy and blows _you_ away and steals your wallet. Given all of these possibilities, I change my answer to 'stage a drive-by and take them all out'. -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 19:49:17 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:49:17 -0500 Subject: "Re: in Subject Fields" In-Reply-To: <43E09C1F.8000904-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <43E03B7B.4070704@utoronto.ca> <87zmlbn0n0.fsf@gmail.com> <43E03F14.40205@utoronto.ca> <87vevzmzhy.fsf@gmail.com> <43E0487A.1060607@utoronto.ca> <43E09C1F.8000904@rogers.com> Message-ID: <43E110BD.80806@utoronto.ca> I view my messages threaded so I can tell replies from originals Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 19:52:42 2006 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:52:42 -0500 Subject: DIY ISP (was Re:So Rogers has lost me as a customer...) In-Reply-To: <35820ADD-D28B-4BA0-A184-D316CA98481A-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <35820ADD-D28B-4BA0-A184-D316CA98481A@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: <200602011452.42961.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On January 31, 2006 17:09, Andrew Hammond wrote: > Personally, if I was going to get serious about my network > connection again, I'd look for a company with a physically local > POP and then get my firewall / router / micro-server / modem in > there. Then you have the best of both worlds. > > First, your server is located in a data-center which eliminates a > number of headaches. Agreed. > Second, you have full control of your uplink so you can shape your > traffic any which way that pleases you. Agreed. > Third, you can upgrade your uplink whatever way pleases you. Wanna > run the latest greatest flavour of DSL? Buy a pair of modems and go > nuts. Say we have servers colocated at 151 Front St. W. and that bandwidth at the colo facility is not a problem. Say the office is 25 km from the colo facility. Are you suggesting that instead of getting a cable or DSL connection for the office, that we could put one DSL modem in the colo facility and another in the office and enjoy the benefits of being our own ISP? Wouldn't the distance between the two locations be a problem for DSL? > Fourth, this is the first step towards getting an ASN, which would > be pretty darn cool. Agreed. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 20:05:02 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:05:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 Message-ID: <20060201200502.7735.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> As I hope everyone on this mailing list is aware the Linux World Canada show is going to be run April 24-26, 2006, with all the details to be seen here: http://www.lwnwexpo.plumcom.ca/ As happened last year the Greater Toronto Area Linux User Group will have a (small) booth down on the trade show floor (the trade show part of the event running April 25 & 26th). Further the NewTLUG meeting will be held down at the show the evening of April 25th. We need to work on planning what we will be doing in that booth. Ideas that I have heard include: - Dropping the power plugs for the booth. The question being "Is being able to power up PCs/Laptops/etc. worth the $$ that the convention centre charges?". - Getting in small candies/mints was suggested by one board member. We want people to stop and chat, so we can sell them on the idea of supporting GTALug. Is an ultra-cheap (per item) give-away item the way to go? - Some sort of buy a GTALug membership get a thank-you item at the show. Suggestions I have heard include: - CDs/DVDs with a choice of Linux distros. - T-Shirts - Case badges Other stuff we will need to worry about: - Booth furnishings (I can probably take care of this...would be the same furnishings as we used last year). - GTALug sign (the sign we used last year will not work given the transition from TLUG to GTALug). - Some sort of promo flier/handout. - Staffing the booth. Last year this was not an issue, we typically had more people couvering the booth than we required, but we do need to make sure this "i" is dotted... - Volunteer briefing as to what is/isn't allowed in the booth. I didn't hear any complaints about what happened last year, but there were some issues with what happened in 2003. In other words need to make SURE all volunteers know what can be done in the booth. No doubt I have missed something in the above so suggestions are most welcome. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shiwan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 20:05:39 2006 From: shiwan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Vlad Slavoaca) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:05:39 -0500 Subject: DIY ISP (was Re:So Rogers has lost me as a customer...) In-Reply-To: <200602011452.42961.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <35820ADD-D28B-4BA0-A184-D316CA98481A@ca.afilias.info> <200602011452.42961.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: Well, first, DSL technology Doesn't Work Like That(tm). Not just the distance, but also, you know, going over Bell's lines and into their DSLAM. What you want is a LANx ("LAN Extension Service"). Basically, it's a fiber line from your office to another location of your choice, usually a datacentre, to your equipment there. If you have upstream at that location, all the better. It's basically a Layer 2 link managed by a third party. Some can be pretty cheap; as in, about a grand a month for a 10Mbit line or so. Also, having your own ASN is NOT "pretty darn cool". You not only need to be properly multihomed, but have enough address space that it's worthwhile to advertise routes yourself, as opposed to just being aggregated by your various upstream providers. It's NOT "pretty darn cool" to be yet another guy trying to be a network admin and just adding overhead to the world routing tables. There's already enough issues with clueless netadmins making life hard for everyone else. End NANOG rant. Cheers, -- Vlad On 2/1/06, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On January 31, 2006 17:09, Andrew Hammond wrote: > > Personally, if I was going to get serious about my network > > connection again, I'd look for a company with a physically local > > POP and then get my firewall / router / micro-server / modem in > > there. Then you have the best of both worlds. > > > > First, your server is located in a data-center which eliminates a > > number of headaches. > > Agreed. > > > Second, you have full control of your uplink so you can shape your > > traffic any which way that pleases you. > > Agreed. > > > Third, you can upgrade your uplink whatever way pleases you. Wanna > > run the latest greatest flavour of DSL? Buy a pair of modems and go > > nuts. > > Say we have servers colocated at 151 Front St. W. and that bandwidth > at the colo facility is not a problem. Say the office is 25 km from > the colo facility. Are you suggesting that instead of getting a cable > or DSL connection for the office, that we could put one DSL modem in > the colo facility and another in the office and enjoy the benefits of > being our own ISP? Wouldn't the distance between the two locations be > a problem for DSL? > > > Fourth, this is the first step towards getting an ASN, which would > > be pretty darn cool. > > Agreed. > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis Corporation > 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 > Toronto, ON > Canada M4N 3P6 > > +1 416-410-3326 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- end -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 20:19:51 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:19:51 -0500 Subject: DIY ISP (was Re:So Rogers has lost me as a customer...) In-Reply-To: References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <35820ADD-D28B-4BA0-A184-D316CA98481A@ca.afilias.info> <200602011452.42961.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20060201201951.GA2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 03:05:39PM -0500, Vlad Slavoaca wrote: > Well, first, DSL technology Doesn't Work Like That(tm). Not > just the distance, but also, you know, going over Bell's lines and > into their DSLAM. SDSL can work like that. Many SDSL modems can work back to back over bare wire pairs. Still within the limits of DSL distances of course, and then there is the issue of needing to have the pair of wire in the first place to run it over. > What you want is a LANx ("LAN Extension Service"). Basically, > it's a fiber line from your office to another location of your choice, > usually a datacentre, to your equipment there. If you have upstream at > that location, all the better. > It's basically a Layer 2 link managed by a third party. Some > can be pretty cheap; as in, about a grand a month for a 10Mbit line or > so. I have certainly seen companies that offer such services. Toronto Hydro for example. Amazing what they can do when they run fibre along with their power lines around town. :) > Also, having your own ASN is NOT "pretty darn cool". You not > only need to be properly multihomed, but have enough address space > that it's worthwhile to advertise routes yourself, as opposed to just > being aggregated by your various upstream providers. > It's NOT "pretty darn cool" to be yet another guy trying to be > a network admin and just adding overhead to the world routing tables. > There's already enough issues with clueless netadmins making life hard > for everyone else. End NANOG rant. I wouldn't want to do it. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shiwan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 20:35:41 2006 From: shiwan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Vlad Slavoaca) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:35:41 -0500 Subject: DIY ISP (was Re:So Rogers has lost me as a customer...) In-Reply-To: <20060201201951.GA2479-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <35820ADD-D28B-4BA0-A184-D316CA98481A@ca.afilias.info> <200602011452.42961.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <20060201201951.GA2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 2/1/06, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 03:05:39PM -0500, Vlad Slavoaca wrote: > > Well, first, DSL technology Doesn't Work Like That(tm). Not > > just the distance, but also, you know, going over Bell's lines and > > into their DSLAM. > > SDSL can work like that. Many SDSL modems can work back to back over > bare wire pairs. Still within the limits of DSL distances of course, > and then there is the issue of needing to have the pair of wire in the > first place to run it over. > Fair enough. However, given the requirement of 20+ km, this is not feasible; nor are too many other ideas. Then again, I'm about 200 metres away from a Bell CO, yet they don't support SDSL to my place, as it's about 100 metres north of an arbitrary boundary line drawn on the map. YMMV... literally. > > What you want is a LANx ("LAN Extension Service"). Basically, > > it's a fiber line from your office to another location of your choice, > > usually a datacentre, to your equipment there. If you have upstream at > > that location, all the better. > > It's basically a Layer 2 link managed by a third party. Some > > can be pretty cheap; as in, about a grand a month for a 10Mbit line or > > so. > > I have certainly seen companies that offer such services. Toronto Hydro > for example. Amazing what they can do when they run fibre along with > their power lines around town. :) > Yup, THT would be one of the more affordable LANx providers out there. Pretty much any other long-reach technology out there is too expensive to hit that kind of a distance at a reasonable bandwidth. Well, unless you have line-of-sight; then you can do something like a microwave OC3. > > Also, having your own ASN is NOT "pretty darn cool". You not > > only need to be properly multihomed, but have enough address space > > that it's worthwhile to advertise routes yourself, as opposed to just > > being aggregated by your various upstream providers. > > It's NOT "pretty darn cool" to be yet another guy trying to be > > a network admin and just adding overhead to the world routing tables. > > There's already enough issues with clueless netadmins making life hard > > for everyone else. End NANOG rant. > > I wouldn't want to do it. > > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- end -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 20:42:21 2006 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 01 Feb 2006 15:42:21 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060201200502.7735.qmail-fjYszm/wOJWB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060201200502.7735.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Colin McGregor writes: > - Some sort of buy a GTALug membership get a thank-you > item at the show. Suggestions I have heard include: > - CDs/DVDs with a choice of Linux distros. If you contact Canonical/Ubuntu in time, they'd send you thousands of CDs to give out. -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 21:32:23 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:32:23 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060201200502.7735.qmail-fjYszm/wOJWB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060201200502.7735.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43E128E7.6090708@utoronto.ca> - Dropping the power plugs for the booth. The question being "Is being able to power up PCs/Laptops/etc. worth the $$ that the convention centre charges?". I thought it would be neat if one could run Linux and W***P side be side under Xen. The hardware would probably be prohibitive. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 22:10:03 2006 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:10:03 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060201200502.7735.qmail-fjYszm/wOJWB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060201200502.7735.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200602011710.04077.marc@lijour.net> Does somebody know about the policy for high-school groups? Is the show worth it for the kids? What is the price? I have never been there, but I am curious. Thank you marc -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From torontonian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 1 22:36:09 2006 From: torontonian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stuart Williams) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:36:09 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <200602011710.04077.marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060201200502.7735.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200602011710.04077.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: <49aa37ca0602011436t3a4ab914pde2dab4867d39380@mail.gmail.com> On 2/1/06, Marc Lijour wrote: > Does somebody know about the policy for high-school groups? > Is the show worth it for the kids? What is the price? According to the FAQ (http://www.lwnwexpo.plumcom.ca/faq.cfm), you have to be 19 or older to register/attend the event. Stuart Williams -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 01:22:50 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:22:50 -0500 Subject: So Rogers has lost me as a customer... In-Reply-To: <20060201153952.GB18971-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <20060130215118.GU18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4386c5b20601301524m72b28055j898ac9f3bb90c764@mail.gmail.com> <20060131165422.GW18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1E59F4F2-B44D-49E6-B3BA-938A1AB5DCAD@ca.afilias.info> <20060131212625.GZ18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <6AE472F1-9C2A-42C5-BA3C-73B96336047C@ca.afilias.info> <20060201153952.GB18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <43E15EEA.5080603@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 05:23:23PM -0500, Andrew Hammond wrote: >> Sure, but they only measure throughput of the file you're >> transferring. They don't include any of the overhead. You need to >> consider the overhead as well if you're going to make a serious >> analysis of the actual speed of your connection. > > http is quite efficient and doesn't have much overhead. Comparing > ethernet to my cable modem with ethernet to another machine should be > quite reasonable. I have managed about 11MB/s on 100Mbit ethernet. So > I think expecting 95% or so throughput on a 5Mbit cable connection is > reasonable too. Everything has overhead. The more encapulation layers, the more overhead. Going to the modem, you've got ethernet, IP and TCP overhead. At the modem, you lose the ethernet overhead, but pick up DOCIS overhead etc. > >> Uh... 80% isn't amazing, but it's not too bad, at least in my >> opinion. Have you looked at packet loss rates? > > I figure it they sell me a 5Mbit service that should be what data rate I > can put through the ethernet interface of the cablemodem. What overhead > their cable signal encoding has is their problem. > > Checking rogers web site it appears they have changed the extreme > service from 5 to 6Mbit and increased the transfer limit from 60 to > 100GB/month. How nice of them to tell me. :) Hmmm... I'll have to look into that. I'm only getting 5 Mb now. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 01:24:34 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:24:34 -0500 Subject: So Rogers has lost me as a customer... In-Reply-To: <20060201154205.GC18971-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <20060130215118.GU18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4386c5b20601301524m72b28055j898ac9f3bb90c764@mail.gmail.com> <20060131165422.GW18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1E59F4F2-B44D-49E6-B3BA-938A1AB5DCAD@ca.afilias.info> <20060131212625.GZ18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <6AE472F1-9C2A-42C5-BA3C-73B96336047C@ca.afilias.info> <17c359fc0601311551v3dd5dfa8rfda06d6747aad0fd@mail.gmail.com> <20060201154205.GC18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <43E15F52.5060806@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 06:51:35PM -0500, Leigh Honeywell wrote: >> EVDO, the "new Bell wireless thing" is only around 2.4 Mbps. There is >> a 25 Mbps service being rolled out, but you can only get 5 of actual >> internet off it - the other 20 are being used to deliver IPTV. 2 >> channels at 10Mbps per. Over a traditional phone line, currently only >> rolled out to a few CO's. >> >> But screw the next-gen DSL. I'd like some FTTP please :-) > > VHDSL looks nice, although it looks like it essentially would be running > fibre to the block, and then switching it to DSL over the phoneline at > that point. Does make the fibre all the way seem about as simple. Then you'd either have to run the fibre all the way back to the CO or have a fibre/fibre mux nearby. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 01:36:32 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:36:32 -0500 Subject: DIY ISP (was Re:So Rogers has lost me as a customer...) In-Reply-To: <200602011452.42961.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <35820ADD-D28B-4BA0-A184-D316CA98481A@ca.afilias.info> <200602011452.42961.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <43E16220.3000409@rogers.com> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Say we have servers colocated at 151 Front St. W. I used to work in that building, many years ago. I had a very large corner office on the 5th floor, right above the main entrance. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 01:38:57 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:38:57 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060201200502.7735.qmail-fjYszm/wOJWB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060201200502.7735.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43E162B1.4090306@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > As I hope everyone on this mailing list is aware the > Linux World Canada show is going to be run April > 24-26, 2006, with all the details to be seen here: I'm planning on going. I just have to arrange for time off work. > - Getting in small candies/mints was suggested by one > board member. We want people to stop and chat, so we > can sell them on the idea of supporting GTALug. Is an > ultra-cheap (per item) give-away item the way to go? Are those Dilbert "Managemints" still available? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 01:45:38 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:45:38 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <200602011710.04077.marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060201200502.7735.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200602011710.04077.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: <43E16442.9070102@rogers.com> Marc Lijour wrote: > Does somebody know about the policy for high-school groups? > Is the show worth it for the kids? What is the price? > > I have never been there, but I am curious. Many trade shows don't allow students, but I don't know about LW. General Admission is free, provided you apply soon enough. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 01:53:29 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:53:29 -0500 Subject: So Rogers has lost me as a customer... In-Reply-To: <43E15EEA.5080603-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <20060130215118.GU18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4386c5b20601301524m72b28055j898ac9f3bb90c764@mail.gmail.com> <20060131165422.GW18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1E59F4F2-B44D-49E6-B3BA-938A1AB5DCAD@ca.afilias.info> <20060131212625.GZ18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <6AE472F1-9C2A-42C5-BA3C-73B96336047C@ca.afilias.info> <20060201153952.GB18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E15EEA.5080603@rogers.com> Message-ID: <43E16619.50301@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> Checking rogers web site it appears they have changed the extreme >> service from 5 to 6Mbit and increased the transfer limit from 60 to >> 100GB/month. How nice of them to tell me. :) > > Hmmm... I'll have to look into that. I'm only getting 5 Mb now. I just checked. 5 Mb is the old plan and 6 Mb the new, but costs about $2/month more. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 02:23:34 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:23:34 -0800 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060201200502.7735.qmail-fjYszm/wOJWB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060201200502.7735.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 2/1/06, Colin McGregor wrote: > - Dropping the power plugs for the booth. The question > being "Is being able to power up PCs/Laptops/etc. > worth the $$ that the convention centre charges?". One question... How much would it cost for a UPS powerful enough to keep a couple of laptops running for a couple of days? If power costs more than $300, I'd imagine that two UPSes costing about that would suffice to keep 2 laptops running, assuming the UPSes got recharged in the evening, and the laptops were chosen with a view to power consumption. {e.g. - someone runs the laptops off the UPSes offsite, and makes sure that they get ~ 10h of lifetime out of that, and then the policy is that ONLY those laptops get power...} I'm sure there are some amongst us who could use an extra UPS; lending it for a 2 day "burn in" should be no bad thing :-). -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 02:54:59 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:54:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: EFF sues AT&T - good luck Message-ID: <87vevyxyf2.fsf@gmail.com> http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/ -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 03:05:39 2006 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:05:39 -0500 Subject: So Rogers has lost me as a customer... In-Reply-To: <20060201154205.GC18971-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <20060130215118.GU18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4386c5b20601301524m72b28055j898ac9f3bb90c764@mail.gmail.com> <20060131165422.GW18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1E59F4F2-B44D-49E6-B3BA-938A1AB5DCAD@ca.afilias.info> <20060131212625.GZ18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <6AE472F1-9C2A-42C5-BA3C-73B96336047C@ca.afilias.info> <17c359fc0601311551v3dd5dfa8rfda06d6747aad0fd@mail.gmail.com> <20060201154205.GC18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <43E17703.7050506@sympatico.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 06:51:35PM -0500, Leigh Honeywell wrote: > > >>EVDO, the "new Bell wireless thing" is only around 2.4 Mbps. There is >>a 25 Mbps service being rolled out, but you can only get 5 of actual >>internet off it - the other 20 are being used to deliver IPTV. 2 >>channels at 10Mbps per. Over a traditional phone line, currently only >>rolled out to a few CO's. >> >>But screw the next-gen DSL. I'd like some FTTP please :-) >> >> > >VHDSL looks nice, although it looks like it essentially would be running >fibre to the block, and then switching it to DSL over the phoneline at >that point. Does make the fibre all the way seem about as simple. > >Len Sorensen > Not nearly as simple. Take the fibre to where the copper distribution starts and you have a ready connection to every building in that distribution area. Compare that to placing fibre up and down every street past every house in a built-up area??? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 04:28:36 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:28:36 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: References: <20060201200502.7735.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060202042836.GA3273@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 06:23:34PM -0800, Christopher Browne wrote: > On 2/1/06, Colin McGregor wrote: > > - Dropping the power plugs for the booth. The question > > being "Is being able to power up PCs/Laptops/etc. > > worth the $$ that the convention centre charges?". > > One question... How much would it cost for a UPS powerful enough to > keep a couple of laptops running for a couple of days? If power costs > more than $300, I'd imagine that two UPSes costing about that would > suffice to keep 2 laptops running, assuming the UPSes got recharged in > the evening, and the laptops were chosen with a view to power > consumption. > > {e.g. - someone runs the laptops off the UPSes offsite, and makes sure > that they get ~ 10h of lifetime out of that, and then the policy is that > ONLY those laptops get power...} > > I'm sure there are some amongst us who could use an extra UPS; lending > it for a 2 day "burn in" should be no bad thing :-). Excellent idea! Car battery and 12V inverter might also do. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 04:44:14 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:44:14 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060202042836.GA3273-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060201200502.7735.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20060202042836.GA3273@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <43E18E1E.4010005@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 06:23:34PM -0800, Christopher Browne wrote: >> {e.g. - someone runs the laptops off the UPSes offsite, and makes sure >> that they get ~ 10h of lifetime out of that, and then the policy is that >> ONLY those laptops get power...} >> >> I'm sure there are some amongst us who could use an extra UPS; lending >> it for a 2 day "burn in" should be no bad thing :-). > > Excellent idea! Car battery and 12V inverter might also do. > The convention center may have some issues with people bringing car batteries in. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 05:13:34 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:13:34 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <43E18E1E.4010005-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060201200502.7735.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20060202042836.GA3273@node1.opengeometry.net> <43E18E1E.4010005@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20060202051334.GA3503@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 11:44:14PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > William Park wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 06:23:34PM -0800, Christopher Browne wrote: > > >> {e.g. - someone runs the laptops off the UPSes offsite, and makes sure > >> that they get ~ 10h of lifetime out of that, and then the policy is that > >> ONLY those laptops get power...} > >> > >> I'm sure there are some amongst us who could use an extra UPS; lending > >> it for a 2 day "burn in" should be no bad thing :-). > > > > Excellent idea! Car battery and 12V inverter might also do. > > > > The convention center may have some issues with people bringing car > batteries in. Put in cardboard boxes. Hmm... H2 gas, you mean. Okey, UPS. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 07:30:17 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 02:30:17 -0500 Subject: DNS question In-Reply-To: <200601262156.k0QLurjZ007694-bi+AKbBUZKYsbE7Vo+MiNSGuMlDgniV8mpATvIKMPHk@public.gmane.org> References: <200601262156.k0QLurjZ007694@localhost.generalconcepts.com> Message-ID: <43E1B509.5080105@alteeve.com> John Sellens wrote: > | Is there something special you need to do when adding a DNS entry for > | a domain to specify a certain sub domain as an NS server? I'm trying to > | create: > > You typically have to register ns[12].domain.com with the domain > registry as name servers in that domain. And then other domains > are allowed to refer to those NS in their registrations. > > In the Tucows/opensrs interface, there's a menu item called > something like "publish name servers" - when you're in the page > where you define nameservers, there's a link at the bottom for > adding nameservers in the current domain. Other domain regsitrars > will have something similar. > > Hope that helps - cheers > > John Sorry for the delay in replying! I've been struggling with a rather hectic move where DNS was just one trouble spot. Anyway... I finally got DNS up and all happy. It turns out you were right (though still *big* thanks to Ian and Terry!!) and I needed to register the {ns1|ns2}.domain.com with the 'domain.com' registrar before any other registrars would recognize it. Here is a question though: I've got the O'Reilly DNS book and I didn't see any mention about this being a requirement of setting up authoritative name servers (okay, a fleeting mention). Did I miss something obvious or is this a relatively new concern/issue? Thanks again!! Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 11:42:34 2006 From: jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org (JM) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:42:34 +0800 Subject: multihomed box In-Reply-To: <20060106141218.GZ26580-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200601041709.45483.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <200601061131.14510.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <20060106141218.GZ26580@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200602021942.34699.jerome@gmanmi.tv> the default IP is on a different segment... is there any other way of dealing with this? On Friday 06 January 2006 10:12 pm, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 11:31:14AM +0800, JM wrote: > > they have a firewall and we only want to publish the eth0:0's IP, running > > the API they gave us ( the API will be used to connect to their server ) > > uses eth0's IP, is there a way to tell linux to use eth0:0 when ever we > > want to connect to a specific IP? > > The simple solution is to assign the IP you actually want to use to > eth0, and move eth0's ip to eth0:0 instead. > > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 12:27:24 2006 From: frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:27:24 -0500 Subject: Anybody has successful experience with Slackware 10.2 with rp-pppoe 3.5 on Sympatico? In-Reply-To: <20060201200502.7735.qmail-fjYszm/wOJWB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060201200502.7735.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C7F60B27C75D69-20DC-178@mblkn-m14.sysops.aol.com> Hi,guys! I compiled my slacware 10.2 kernel and installed rp-pppoe 3.5. After I pppoe-start, it says Connected! But it screwed up the TCP-IP and the routing stuff, and it won;t ping the name server 204.101.251.1, either. I cannot ping 127.0.0.1 and other local hosts. If I do not pppoe-start, I can ping localhost and other host. ifconfig is ok, ppp0,lo, eth0 and eth1 showing up there. When I route it takes a long time to show up 69.x.y.z(the ppp0's ip) * 255.255.255.0 UH ... localnet U localloop U default U There is no UG. I never understood route table completely. The rp-pppoe documents says, it could be my old kernel. This is not the case, my kernel is 2.4.31. The documents says feed the eth1 a fake it such as 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0. I did that. It did not work. I remember, the eth1 could be 0.0.0.0 and mask 255.255.255.0 I lived with Slackware and rp-ppp for many years and I never got problem. Probally I should get an older rp-pppoe? My kernel is nothing new. I am just so greedy to utilize the memory. I has 1G memory and the kernel show only 900M. So I configured the kernel to memory 4G and HIGHMEM=y. After I got the new kernel I have 1G memory. I cannot remember how I got it work before. Probally it was Slackware 10.0. Now it is 10.2. The rp-pppoe guy said, he made the rp-ppppoe on FreeBSD. That is the closest to Slackware. I will look for older rp-pppoe and a newer Slackware, if you had a success story on the same environment, please give me a click. Thanks a lot! Frank Peng. ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 12:43:55 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 07:43:55 -0500 Subject: Gimp vs Photoshop vs Picasa Message-ID: <20060202124354.GA5789@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I am slowing selling my wife on an OS migration, and so far one thing I found in windoze image editing is a quick-fix utility for adjusting photos. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 14:06:11 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:06:11 -0500 Subject: Gimp vs Photoshop vs Picasa In-Reply-To: <20060202124354.GA5789-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060202124354.GA5789@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200602020906.11541.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Thursday 02 February 2006 07:43, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I am slowing selling my wife on an OS migration, and so far one thing I > found in windoze image editing is a quick-fix utility for adjusting > photos. In Photoshop it is called "auto contrast" or "auto levels", and > in picasa it is called "I'm feeling lucky", but it does a nice, quick > job of making less perfect images more perfect. Is there a similar > setting or plugin for the gimp? I have looked on previous occasions, but I have not come across one yet. But on a side note, Picasa will run under wine. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 14:40:19 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:40:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Gimp vs Photoshop vs Picasa In-Reply-To: <200602020906.11541.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060202124354.GA5789@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <200602020906.11541.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <50823.207.188.65.194.1138891219.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> The program 'xv' which runs under Linux has a 'histogram equalization' control which may do what you would like. I found the gimp has a significant learning curve, and xv is adequate for simple image editing applications. The user interface in xv is somewhat unusual, but very well executed. Peter > On Thursday 02 February 2006 07:43, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >> I am slowing selling my wife on an OS migration, and so far one thing I >> found in windoze image editing is a quick-fix utility for adjusting >> photos. In Photoshop it is called "auto contrast" or "auto levels", and >> in picasa it is called "I'm feeling lucky", but it does a nice, quick >> job of making less perfect images more perfect. Is there a similar >> setting or plugin for the gimp? > > I have looked on previous occasions, but I have not come across one yet. > > But on a side note, Picasa will run under wine. > > > -- > Jason Shein > Director of Networking, Operations and Systems > Detached Networks > jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org > ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice > ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile > http://www.detachednetworks.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Peter Hiscocks Professor Emeritus, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Ryerson University 416-465-3007 www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 14:59:25 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:59:25 -0600 Subject: Gimp vs Photoshop vs Picasa In-Reply-To: <20060202124354.GA5789-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060202124354.GA5789@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1e55af990602020659o4dd3cf3dn44ed65dc664c9906@mail.gmail.com> Yes, the gimp has a level-editing function. Once you're in that screen there's an "auto" button of some kind which takes a best guess. It's not bad. Also, adjusting the white level is worlds away from adjusting contrast. Image > Colo(u)r Tools > Levels There you'll see an Auto button. Enjoy. FYI there are some nice tricks where you can mask off a certain area and only change the levels for that region. It does wonders for fixing things above/below a horizon or in/out of shadow. Sy, On 2/2/06, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I am slowing selling my wife on an OS migration, and so far one thing I > found in windoze image editing is a quick-fix utility for adjusting > photos. In Photoshop it is called "auto contrast" or "auto levels", and > in picasa it is called "I'm feeling lucky", but it does a nice, quick > job of making less perfect images more perfect. Is there a similar > setting or plugin for the gimp? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 17:06:47 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:06:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060202170648.59632.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- "G. Matthew Rice" wrote: > Colin McGregor writes: > > - Some sort of buy a GTALug membership get a > thank-you > > item at the show. Suggestions I have heard > include: > > - CDs/DVDs with a choice of Linux distros. > > If you contact Canonical/Ubuntu in time, they'd send > you thousands of CDs to > give out. I have mixed feelings about doing a mass Ubuntu disk give-away. On the plus side: - It would make a nice give-away item, with the advantage that unless Canada Customs gets much weirder than usual it would cost us NOTHING. As with the candy/mint idea it would encourage people to stop by and chat. On the minus side: - As a group we must be and appear to be distribution agnostic, would this make it appear like we are pro-Ubuntu to the detriment of other distributions (Debian, SuSE, Red Hat etc.)? Remember that there will be reps. from a number of the commercial distributions at the show that we want to be on good/great terms with... Thoughts? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 17:14:50 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:14:50 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060202170648.59632.qmail-JoSsSUNfUciB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060202170648.59632.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0602020914s62a66b12k3f3d0f0c99593677@mail.gmail.com> On 2/2/06, Colin McGregor wrote: [...] > On the minus side: > > - As a group we must be and appear to be distribution > agnostic, would this make it appear like we are > pro-Ubuntu to the detriment of other distributions > (Debian, SuSE, Red Hat etc.)? Remember that there will > be reps. from a number of the commercial distributions > at the show that we want to be on good/great terms > with... > > Thoughts? What about 10+ people burning off 5+ copies of their favorite distro (and/or app collections). Add them into the Ubuntu stock and there'd be plenty to choose from. (Or put into surprise bags... ;-) -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 17:15:15 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:15:15 -0500 Subject: So Rogers has lost me as a customer... In-Reply-To: <43E16619.50301-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <20060130215118.GU18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4386c5b20601301524m72b28055j898ac9f3bb90c764@mail.gmail.com> <20060131165422.GW18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1E59F4F2-B44D-49E6-B3BA-938A1AB5DCAD@ca.afilias.info> <20060131212625.GZ18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <6AE472F1-9C2A-42C5-BA3C-73B96336047C@ca.afilias.info> <20060201153952.GB18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E15EEA.5080603@rogers.com> <43E16619.50301@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20060202171514.GB2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 08:53:29PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > I just checked. 5 Mb is the old plan and 6 Mb the new, but costs about > $2/month more. So would one be able to call rogers and upgrade to the new plan? Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 17:17:33 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:17:33 -0500 Subject: multihomed box In-Reply-To: <200602021942.34699.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200601041709.45483.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <200601061131.14510.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <20060106141218.GZ26580@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200602021942.34699.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Message-ID: <20060202171733.GC2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 07:42:34PM +0800, JM wrote: > the default IP is on a different segment... is there any other way of dealing > with this? Look at iproute2 and see if it can add a better route rule perhaps. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 17:20:56 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:20:56 -0500 Subject: Anybody has successful experience with Slackware 10.2 with rp-pppoe 3.5 on Sympatico? In-Reply-To: <8C7F60B27C75D69-20DC-178-yIZWdUiUUlodn2rV/jiQSbpta98KZJIQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060201200502.7735.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8C7F60B27C75D69-20DC-178@mblkn-m14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20060202172056.GD2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 07:27:24AM -0500, frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > Hi,guys! > > I compiled my slacware 10.2 kernel and installed rp-pppoe 3.5. After I pppoe-start, it says Connected! > But it screwed up the TCP-IP and the routing stuff, and it won;t ping the name server 204.101.251.1, either. I cannot ping 127.0.0.1 and other local hosts. If I do not pppoe-start, I can ping localhost and other host. If you can't ping 127.0.0.1, you better fix your network setup first. Until that works, nothing will work right. > ifconfig is ok, ppp0,lo, eth0 and eth1 showing up there. > When I route > it takes a long time to show up > 69.x.y.z(the ppp0's ip) * 255.255.255.0 UH ... > localnet U > localloop U > default U What does 'route -n' show? > There is no UG. pppd should add the gateway if you have defaultroute option enabled in the ppp config. > I never understood route table completely. > The rp-pppoe documents says, it could be my old kernel. This is not the case, my kernel is 2.4.31. > The documents says feed the eth1 a fake it such as 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0. I did that. It did not work. > I remember, the eth1 could be 0.0.0.0 and mask 255.255.255.0 The interface you run pppoe on should not have any ip configuration at all. > I lived with Slackware and rp-ppp for many years and I never got problem. Probally I should get an older rp-pppoe? > > My kernel is nothing new. I am just so greedy to utilize the memory. I has 1G memory and the kernel show only 900M. So I configured the kernel to memory 4G and HIGHMEM=y. After I got the new kernel I have 1G memory. Yeah linux has always been limited to 900M ram on i386 if you didn't enable the highmem option. > I cannot remember how I got it work before. Probally it was Slackware 10.0. Now it is 10.2. > > The rp-pppoe guy said, he made the rp-ppppoe on FreeBSD. That is the closest to Slackware. In configuration style they are close. Nothing else is. For everything else slackware is just like every other linux distribution. > I will look for older rp-pppoe and a newer Slackware, if you had a success story on the same environment, please give me a click. Thanks a lot! I think you just have to sort out your network configuration. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 17:33:52 2006 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:33:52 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060202170648.59632.qmail-JoSsSUNfUciB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060202170648.59632.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060202173352.GD19772@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 12:06:47PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > On the minus side: > > - As a group we must be and appear to be distribution > agnostic, would this make it appear like we are > pro-Ubuntu to the detriment of other distributions > (Debian, SuSE, Red Hat etc.)? Remember that there will > be reps. from a number of the commercial distributions > at the show that we want to be on good/great terms > with... > > Thoughts? You can agnostically give away any distributions that companies are willing to provide to be given without being anti- the other distros. Ask as many distros as you can think of for CDs to be given away, and whoever responds will be included. Ubuntu has procedures in place to respond well to such requests, so they will likely make the cut; others who can't respond will fail the cut but that is their problem or choice and not an issue of your stance against them. If a rep comes around, you can describe how you requested stuff from their company and what the response was and find out who you really should have asked (so that they can participate better next time). I'd suggest that you go for Red Hat, SuSE/Novell, and Mandriva as well as the previously discussed Ubuntu (and any others that people can name that have enough money behind them that they might be willing to provide a pile of CDs or DVDs). You could also put together a printed handout listing download sites for as many distros as you can shake a browser at. The printed handout might also include a summary of the distros, listing any special attributes that distro might have (server, desktop, recovery, education, power/beginner user, commercial/volunteer, niche/popular, etc.). That would let you provide some coverage for those distros that don't have a commercial entity around that could provide a stack of pre-burned CDs/DVDs. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 17:34:45 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:34:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060202042836.GA3273-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060202042836.GA3273@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20060202173445.27619.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- William Park wrote: > On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 06:23:34PM -0800, > Christopher Browne wrote: > > On 2/1/06, Colin McGregor > wrote: > > > - Dropping the power plugs for the booth. The > question > > > being "Is being able to power up > PCs/Laptops/etc. > > > worth the $$ that the convention centre > charges?". > > > > One question... How much would it cost for a UPS > powerful enough to > > keep a couple of laptops running for a couple of > days? If power costs > > more than $300, I'd imagine that two UPSes costing > about that would > > suffice to keep 2 laptops running, assuming the > UPSes got recharged in > > the evening, and the laptops were chosen with a > view to power > > consumption. > > > > {e.g. - someone runs the laptops off the UPSes > offsite, and makes sure > > that they get ~ 10h of lifetime out of that, and > then the policy is that > > ONLY those laptops get power...} > > > > I'm sure there are some amongst us who could use > an extra UPS; lending > > it for a 2 day "burn in" should be no bad thing > :-). > > Excellent idea! Car battery and 12V inverter might > also do. Car battery plus 12V inverter could be made to work, but... The but being that "normal" car batteries are not designed to be deep discharged, which is the sort of job we are asking for here. A typical car battery has to supply a high amp jolt to power a car starter motor and after that basically nothing. Granted a car battery has to be able to deliver that jolt at temperatures running from -40 C to +40 C. There are big lead acid batteries for UPSs, golf carts, boat trolling motors, etc. that are happy to take the sort of long slow hit we will be asking for. Any event if someone has a BIG UPS they would be willing to volunteer, and/or some car/golf cart/boat trolling batteries that we could abuse I am all ears... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 17:35:47 2006 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:35:47 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0602020914s62a66b12k3f3d0f0c99593677-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060202170648.59632.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <99a6c38f0602020914s62a66b12k3f3d0f0c99593677@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/2/06, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 2/2/06, Colin McGregor wrote: > > > > - As a group we must be and appear to be distribution > > agnostic, would this make it appear like we are > > pro-Ubuntu to the detriment of other distributions > > (Debian, SuSE, Red Hat etc.)? Remember that there will > > be reps. from a number of the commercial distributions > > at the show that we want to be on good/great terms > > with... > > What about 10+ people burning off 5+ copies of their favorite distro > (and/or app collections). Add them into the Ubuntu stock and there'd > be plenty to choose from. (Or put into surprise bags... ;-) > > -- > Scott Elcomb I like that idea. Also, might want to make sure there's enough LIVE CDs to choose from (for Linux-curious people it's the best way to start). Some Live CDs can be installed without any problems, others (like Ubuntu) actually have a separate live and install CD (the Ubuntu CD package comes with both CDs, though). Also if it's possible to have a brief description on-hand of each of the distros main features... that would help people to decide which one (or two or three...) they want to try. I'd like to cast a vote for Kanotix... I've been using it both in live and installed form for the past few weeks, and it is fast and stable. (It's based on Knoppix, optimized for i586 and installs to full Debian Unstable.) Just my 2 cents... + 7%... no, 6% GST... not enough for beer and popcorn. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 20:12:46 2006 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 02 Feb 2006 15:12:46 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0602020914s62a66b12k3f3d0f0c99593677-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060202170648.59632.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <99a6c38f0602020914s62a66b12k3f3d0f0c99593677@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Scott Elcomb writes: > What about 10+ people burning off 5+ copies of their favorite distro > (and/or app collections). Add them into the Ubuntu stock and there'd > be plenty to choose from. (Or put into surprise bags... ;-) Or build/get one of these: http://www.freedomtoaster.co.za/ -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 20:59:40 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:59:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060202205940.96739.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- "G. Matthew Rice" wrote: > Scott Elcomb writes: > > What about 10+ people burning off 5+ copies of > their favorite distro > > (and/or app collections). Add them into the > Ubuntu stock and there'd > > be plenty to choose from. (Or put into surprise > bags... ;-) > > Or build/get one of these: > > http://www.freedomtoaster.co.za/ I like the concept of the "Freedom Toaster", a Linux machine set-up just to burn any of a number of distributions while you wait. But there are potential problems here that make me nervous: - Time and space. Let us assume the show attracts 5,000 people of whom 10% will want CDs of say Fedora Core 4 (which comes on 4 CDs). Further let us assume it takes 3 minutes to burn a CD. So, we are talking 100 hours to burn those CDs. But the trade show will be open for 13 hours. Ok, so we would need multiple, well eight, machines, all in a 10' x 10' booth... - Power and CD costs. The Convention Centre power charges boarder on the obscene, can we cost justify what is involved in this. Further there is the cost of the blank CDs. - When things go wrong. If we base our approach around the "Freedom Toaster", how much trouble will we be in if a hard disk crashes and/or a CD Burner dies... Unless my assumptions in the above are WAY off base (and if you think my assumptions are way off base PLEASE tell me why), the "Freedom Toaster" is not an approach for mass at-the-show CD production. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 21:01:24 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:01:24 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: References: <20060202170648.59632.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <99a6c38f0602020914s62a66b12k3f3d0f0c99593677@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 02 Feb 2006 15:12:46 -0500, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > Scott Elcomb writes: > > What about 10+ people burning off 5+ copies of their favorite distro > > (and/or app collections). Add them into the Ubuntu stock and there'd > > be plenty to choose from. (Or put into surprise bags... ;-) > > Or build/get one of these: > > http://www.freedomtoaster.co.za/ A prerequisite for that device is space and power, which may not be economically available. If a dozen people burn 20 CDs apiece of some of their favorite things, that requires no electricity at the show site, and should be plenty compact, to boot. Technology that you don't have to plug in and wait for on the show floor is better than technology that has to be waited for... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 21:24:15 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:24:15 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: References: <20060202170648.59632.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <99a6c38f0602020914s62a66b12k3f3d0f0c99593677@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0602021324y7f5b1cc1ne082551c4df6bc91@mail.gmail.com> On 2/2/06, Christopher Browne wrote: > On 02 Feb 2006 15:12:46 -0500, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > > Scott Elcomb writes: > > > What about 10+ people burning off 5+ copies of their favorite distro > > > (and/or app collections). Add them into the Ubuntu stock and there'd > > > be plenty to choose from. (Or put into surprise bags... ;-) > > > > Or build/get one of these: > > > > http://www.freedomtoaster.co.za/ > > A prerequisite for that device is space and power, which may not be > economically available. 2 or 3 of these strategically located between the tradefloor and the exits would give even those who don't visit the TLUG booth (yeah, right! lol) a chance to grab whatever they want. > If a dozen people burn 20 CDs apiece of some of their favorite things, > that requires no electricity at the show site, and should be plenty > compact, to boot. If it weren't cost-prohibitive, USB keys would be good too. > Technology that you don't have to plug in and wait for on the show > floor is better than technology that has to be waited for... Warning, Personal Opinion follows: When in doubt, look for the resources - if they're there, do both. No one gets left behind. If not then there's more advocacy work to be done. -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 21:38:46 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:38:46 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060202205940.96739.qmail-iE2/U85ktn6B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060202205940.96739.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0602021338w3d4d9ab1tb4a265d3a0e8ce49@mail.gmail.com> On 2/2/06, Colin McGregor wrote: [...] > Unless my assumptions in the above are WAY off base > (and if you think my assumptions are way off base > PLEASE tell me why), the "Freedom Toaster" is not an > approach for mass at-the-show CD production. Technically speaking, I agree with most of your argument. It might be possible to make an arrangement with the organizers if it benefits them. Most people probably wouldn't wait, so here's the benefit: People want to be "wow'd" when they go to tradeshows. If the resources become available, some attendees will at least see the toasters, and out of those some will remember and discuss them with others that weren't there. That might bring even more folks next time. If it's possible to gain mutual success for everyone involved, it might be a worthy experiment. We can dream or do. It depends on the community. -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 21:48:19 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:48:19 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0602021324y7f5b1cc1ne082551c4df6bc91-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060202170648.59632.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <99a6c38f0602020914s62a66b12k3f3d0f0c99593677@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f0602021324y7f5b1cc1ne082551c4df6bc91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/2/06, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 2/2/06, Christopher Browne wrote: > > On 02 Feb 2006 15:12:46 -0500, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > > > Scott Elcomb writes: > > > > What about 10+ people burning off 5+ copies of their favorite distro > > > > (and/or app collections). Add them into the Ubuntu stock and there'd > > > > be plenty to choose from. (Or put into surprise bags... ;-) > > > > > > Or build/get one of these: > > > > > > http://www.freedomtoaster.co.za/ > > > > A prerequisite for that device is space and power, which may not be > > economically available. > > 2 or 3 of these strategically located between the tradefloor and the > exits would give even those who don't visit the TLUG booth (yeah, > right! lol) a chance to grab whatever they want. You have to pay reasonably big dollars for "strategic location." If you plan on paying for that, and for the power, which, as has been mentioned, the convention centre charges more than merely handsomely for, then this could be an option. If you haven't got thousands of dollars to contribute towards that, then it's not going to happen. > > If a dozen people burn 20 CDs apiece of some of their favorite things, > > that requires no electricity at the show site, and should be plenty > > compact, to boot. > > If it weren't cost-prohibitive, USB keys would be good too. If it weren't cost-prohibitive, and ear-damagingly-loud, I'd like a quad-Opteron on my desk, with 4 dual core chips... > > Technology that you don't have to plug in and wait for on the show > > floor is better than technology that has to be waited for... > > Warning, Personal Opinion follows: > > When in doubt, look for the resources - if they're there, do both. No > one gets left behind. > > If not then there's more advocacy work to be done. There are a LOT of options out there, so many that ruling out the ones that are economically silly makes a pretty good "first cut." -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 22:00:10 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:00:10 -0500 Subject: Detaching email attachments from email Message-ID: <43E280EA.8050800@utoronto.ca> In an earlier thread someone asked about removing an attachment from an email. Well Thunderbird 1.5 appears capable of doing this if the email is in a local folder. I've used this feature in Mac OS X, but presumably in Linux it would be right-click on the attachment name and click detach or delete. Warning, when I tried to delete nested forwards Thunderbird crashed. It pretends to work on messages stored on an imap server. Where it did work it left a stub showing Deleted: AttachmentName. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 22:04:20 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:04:20 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: References: <20060202170648.59632.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <99a6c38f0602020914s62a66b12k3f3d0f0c99593677@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f0602021324y7f5b1cc1ne082551c4df6bc91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0602021404h61d399a7q15b4d47b8cfd3aa2@mail.gmail.com> On 2/2/06, Christopher Browne wrote: [...] > You have to pay reasonably big dollars for "strategic location." If > you plan on paying for that, and for the power, which, as has been > mentioned, the convention centre charges more than merely handsomely > for, then this could be an option. > > If you haven't got thousands of dollars to contribute towards that, > then it's not going to happen. Unless you have an effective salesman or two in your resource pool. > > > If a dozen people burn 20 CDs apiece of some of their favorite things, > > > that requires no electricity at the show site, and should be plenty > > > compact, to boot. > > > > If it weren't cost-prohibitive, USB keys would be good too. > > If it weren't cost-prohibitive, and ear-damagingly-loud, I'd like a > quad-Opteron on my desk, with 4 dual core chips... That was supposed to be a subtle FYI for any potential sponsors that see value in the idea. > > > Technology that you don't have to plug in and wait for on the show > > > floor is better than technology that has to be waited for... > > > > Warning, Personal Opinion follows: > > > > When in doubt, look for the resources - if they're there, do both. No > > one gets left behind. > > > > If not then there's more advocacy work to be done. > > There are a LOT of options out there, so many that ruling out the ones > that are economically silly makes a pretty good "first cut." I'm not saying it will happen, or that people should jump through hoops to do it, I'm just offering suggestions. There's more to life than money. -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 22:33:48 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:33:48 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0602021404h61d399a7q15b4d47b8cfd3aa2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060202170648.59632.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <99a6c38f0602020914s62a66b12k3f3d0f0c99593677@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f0602021324y7f5b1cc1ne082551c4df6bc91@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f0602021404h61d399a7q15b4d47b8cfd3aa2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E288CC.8040308@telly.org> The low-tech solution requires no PCs on site. Besides the advantage of needing neither power nor someone to bring in a system, this saves people time so they're not standing around waiting for discs to burn. And if the disks get stolen nobody needs to freak out. Get distro makers, especially those who don't normally have a presence at the show, to send CDs. While Novell and Red Hat are likely to be there, others such as Xandros, Linspire and Mandriva will likely not. Distributing their wares at the show offers them a cheap presence and gives TLUG something to hand out. While we don't know if the above distros can spare many disks to give out, we do know that Ubuntu does have a free distribution program so at least it can be counted upon. Alternately, possibly, Novell and/or Red Hat could be persuaded to fund a production run of SuSE and Fedora disks. These are good to have in a community area but might not be appropriate to have at the vendors' own booths. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 22:37:09 2006 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:37:09 -0500 Subject: java, activeX, magstripe card reader Message-ID: Hi all! Part of a project I'm working on requires a card reader to work. I have a paralell interface magstripe reader but I'm not quite familiar with programming such devices. The main program is in Java. There happens to be an activex that can be used but i'd rather go without since I think they only work for windows. This must work under linux and windows. I'm also willing to pay someone that can help me complete said project. I've done some reseach and some googling but can't find any leads to get me anywhere. Thanks for any help! Martin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 22:44:51 2006 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:44:51 -0500 Subject: Off Topic: latex mail merge Message-ID: Hello All, I apologize for an off-topic question (on latex rather than linux). I thought someone on the list might have run into a similar problem before. I am using mailmerge in the latex letter environment but seem to have trouble increasing above 9 inputs fields. I get a latex error message that looks like: (./32705cover.tex ! You already have nine parameters. \reserved at a ...f \expandafter \cov \reserved at b #11 5{ l.75 } ? I was wondering if any on list had run into this constraint and has any suggestions on how I might be able to loosen, so as to exceed 9 fields. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. I'm sorry again for the off-topic question. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lfeder-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 23:37:47 2006 From: lfeder-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:37:47 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? Message-ID: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? Should GTAlug remain on the mailing list or move to web based forum? What is your preferred window manager? What is your favourite linux distribution? Who will win Superbowl 40? these are some voting/poll questions i setup on my server. vote early vote often! (well, once a day is the joomla default) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 2 23:54:57 2006 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:54:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1014.34362954951$1138924276@news.gmane.org> On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, teddy mills wrote: > Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? Mailing lists (or Usenet). > Should GTAlug remain on the mailing list or move to web based forum? Remain a mailing list. > What is your preferred window manager? WindowMaker. > What is your favourite linux distribution? Linux From Scratch. > Who will win Superbowl 40? Superbowl? You mean a very fine bird? > these are some voting/poll questions i setup on my server. > vote early vote often! (well, once a day is the joomla default) -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From slackrat-mOBtk8rjKVpiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 00:30:43 2006 From: slackrat-mOBtk8rjKVpiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:30:43 +0100 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E2A433.7010704@nerdshack.com> teddy mills wrote: > > Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? > mailing list - possibly newsgroup ? la usenet > Should GTAlug remain on the mailing list or move to web based forum? remain > > What is your preferred window manager? flux > > What is your favourite linux distribution? slack > > Who will win Superbowl 40? dunno what superbowl is - sorry -- F?licitations Slack Rat (Bill Henderson) Dit 'NON' aux brevets Logiciels http://brevets-logiciels.info/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 00:31:43 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:31:43 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99a6c38f0602021631r6cb3a065vf9887a992c9955b@mail.gmail.com> On 2/2/06, teddy mills wrote: > > Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? Mailing lists. > Should GTAlug remain on the mailing list or move to web based forum? Remain a mailing list, but the addition of the web based forums - if it's created - would be welcome here. > What is your preferred window manager? Gnome (for general purpose use) > What is your favourite linux distribution? dyne:bolic > Who will win Superbowl 40? Don't pay it any attention (the NFL). -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 01:01:27 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:01:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060203010127.67069.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- teddy mills wrote: > Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? Mailing list. > Should GTAlug remain on the mailing list or move to > web based forum? Stay as a mailing list. > What is your preferred window manager? KDE > What is your favourite linux distribution? For general purpose stuff Debian. For some special purpose stuff Knoppix, and Coyote have their place. > Who will win Superbowl 40? Don't know, don't care, sports suck. Do know a lot of chicken wings are about to DIE!!! > these are some voting/poll questions i setup on my > server. > vote early vote often! (well, once a day is the > joomla default) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 01:04:57 2006 From: frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:04:57 -0500 Subject: Anybody has successful experience with Slackware 10.2 with rp-pppoe 3.5 on Sympatico? In-Reply-To: <20060202172056.GD2479-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060201200502.7735.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8C7F60B27C75D69-20DC-178@mblkn-m14.sysops.aol.com> <20060202172056.GD2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <8C7F674FBDE37FF-2174-1AF7@mblkn-m19.sysops.aol.com> I got it. The one I was using is a new one. It is 3.7. I found an old one, 3.5 and installed it. Now it's working. Thank you anyways! Frank Peng -----Original Message----- From: Lennart Sorensen To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:20:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Anybody has successful experience with Slackware 10.2 with rp-pppoe 3.5 on Sympatico? On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 07:27:24AM -0500, frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > Hi,guys! > > I compiled my slacware 10.2 kernel and installed rp-pppoe 3.5. After I pppoe-start, it says Connected! > But it screwed up the TCP-IP and the routing stuff, and it won;t ping the name server 204.101.251.1, either. I cannot ping 127.0.0.1 and other local hosts. If I do not pppoe-start, I can ping localhost and other host. If you can't ping 127.0.0.1, you better fix your network setup first. Until that works, nothing will work right. > ifconfig is ok, ppp0,lo, eth0 and eth1 showing up there. > When I route > it takes a long time to show up > 69.x.y.z(the ppp0's ip) * 255.255.255.0 UH ... > localnet U > localloop U > default U What does 'route -n' show? > There is no UG. pppd should add the gateway if you have defaultroute option enabled in the ppp config. > I never understood route table completely. > The rp-pppoe documents says, it could be my old kernel. This is not the case, my kernel is 2.4.31. > The documents says feed the eth1 a fake it such as 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0. I did that. It did not work. > I remember, the eth1 could be 0.0.0.0 and mask 255.255.255.0 The interface you run pppoe on should not have any ip configuration at all. > I lived with Slackware and rp-ppp for many years and I never got problem. Probally I should get an older rp-pppoe? > > My kernel is nothing new. I am just so greedy to utilize the memory. I has 1G memory and the kernel show only 900M. So I configured the kernel to memory 4G and HIGHMEM=y. After I got the new kernel I have 1G memory. Yeah linux has always been limited to 900M ram on i386 if you didn't enable the highmem option. > I cannot remember how I got it work before. Probally it was Slackware 10.0. Now it is 10.2. > > The rp-pppoe guy said, he made the rp-ppppoe on FreeBSD. That is the closest to Slackware. In configuration style they are close. Nothing else is. For everything else slackware is just like every other linux distribution. > I will look for older rp-pppoe and a newer Slackware, if you had a success story on the same environment, please give me a click. Thanks a lot! I think you just have to sort out your network configuration. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 01:16:21 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:16:21 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E2AEE5.5010900@telly.org> teddy mills wrote: >Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? > > If I have a threaded mailer like Thunderbird, it's better. >Should GTAlug remain on the mailing list or move to web based forum? > > To an extent this is a matter for the GTALUG admins. Generally mail is easier to work with, but it doesn't scale very well (ie, beyond many hundreds of subscribers). So sometimes admins have no choice to go with web forums. Of course, both are possible. CLUE recently did a bi-directional gateway between its mailing lists and its drupal-based website. So you can get to it either way. >What is your preferred window manager? > > In many of the rooms in my house we have Hunter Douglas Silhouettes. >What is your favourite linux distribution? > > Whatever works. >Who will win Superbowl 40? > > Keeping with tradition, I will be rooting against the team based in northwest Washington state. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 01:38:15 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:38:15 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E2B407.5090303@georgetown.wehave.net> teddy mills wrote: > Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? telepathy > Should GTAlug remain on the mailing list or move to web based forum? isn't this the same question? Ok, mailing list ... > What is your preferred window manager? don't much care, it's the applications that matter. > What is your favourite linux distribution? ubuntu for desktops, on servers it depends on many things. > Who will win Superbowl 40? 40 already, last I recall it was 24! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 01:36:04 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 02 Feb 2006 20:36:04 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060202173352.GD19772-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20060202170648.59632.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20060202173352.GD19772@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: John Macdonald writes: > You could also put together a printed handout listing download > sites for as many distros as you can shake a browser at. > The printed handout might also include a summary of the > distros, listing any special attributes that distro might have > (server, desktop, recovery, education, power/beginner user, > commercial/volunteer, niche/popular, etc.). That would let > you provide some coverage for those distros that don't have > a commercial entity around that could provide a stack of > pre-burned CDs/DVDs. That would just be this: http://lwn.net/Distributions/ -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 01:43:31 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 02 Feb 2006 20:43:31 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: teddy mills writes: > Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? Mailing lists. > Should GTAlug remain on the mailing list or move to web based forum? Remain a mailing list. > What is your preferred window manager? For what purpose? They all have their pros and cons. > What is your favourite linux distribution? See above. For general purpose use, Debian or Ubuntu. > Who will win Superbowl 40? Who cares? -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 01:51:22 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:51:22 -0500 Subject: So Rogers has lost me as a customer... In-Reply-To: <20060202171514.GB2479-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <20060130215118.GU18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4386c5b20601301524m72b28055j898ac9f3bb90c764@mail.gmail.com> <20060131165422.GW18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1E59F4F2-B44D-49E6-B3BA-938A1AB5DCAD@ca.afilias.info> <20060131212625.GZ18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <6AE472F1-9C2A-42C5-BA3C-73B96336047C@ca.afilias.info> <20060201153952.GB18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E15EEA.5080603@rogers.com> <43E16619.50301@rogers.com> <20060202171514.GB2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <43E2B71A.4080100@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 08:53:29PM -0500, James Knott wrote: >> I just checked. 5 Mb is the old plan and 6 Mb the new, but costs about >> $2/month more. > > So would one be able to call rogers and upgrade to the new plan? Yes. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 01:52:42 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:52:42 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060202173445.27619.qmail-2K+iNxKRQwOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060202173445.27619.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43E2B76A.9040804@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > Any event if someone has a BIG UPS they would be > willing to volunteer, and/or some car/golf cart/boat > trolling batteries that we could abuse I am all > ears... No trolling please. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pkay-Wu5PbJhdqlKw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 02:05:13 2006 From: pkay-Wu5PbJhdqlKw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Phil Kay) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:05:13 -0500 Subject: OT: CPU Fan Message-ID: <200602022105.13736.pkay@thekays.ca> I apologize for the off-topic message, but I figured someone here might know where I can pick up a socket 370 1U CPU fan. It needs to be the kind that exhausts to the side. We have a Symbol Wireless switch (WS5000) that needs a new fan. We've done some digging, but are having trouble finding one. Does anyone here know of a place where we could pick one up? TIA To tie this just a little to the list: The fan is sounding horrible and the BIOS on the switch shuts the device down if the CPU gets too hot. Apparently, this happened during a software upgrade. That toasted the configuration. We have it up and running again and upgraded the OS to the lastest version. The thing now runs Linux! It uses apache and postgre for the db. It had previously been running LynxOS. We've been very pleased with its operation so far and are glad to add one more Linux server to our collection. Thanks again for any help you can provide. All replies about the fan can come to me directly. If you have more questions about the device (on-topic), I'd be glad to answer them. Phil K -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 02:32:33 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:32:33 -0500 Subject: So Rogers has lost me as a customer... In-Reply-To: <43E2B71A.4080100-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <20060131165422.GW18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1E59F4F2-B44D-49E6-B3BA-938A1AB5DCAD@ca.afilias.info> <20060131212625.GZ18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <6AE472F1-9C2A-42C5-BA3C-73B96336047C@ca.afilias.info> <20060201153952.GB18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E15EEA.5080603@rogers.com> <43E16619.50301@rogers.com> <20060202171514.GB2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E2B71A.4080100@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4386c5b20602021832h47eb050di6c89bd491b830aa5@mail.gmail.com> > > So would one be able to call rogers and upgrade to the new plan? > > Yes. Oddly, when I spoke to Rogers the other night about this BitTorrent choking issue, they told me I was on the 6Mb plan; this must have been done without my knowing about it. The price I'm paying here on my last bill is $44.95. That sound right? Cheers, Aaron. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 02:43:26 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:43:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Off Topic: latex mail merge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50384.207.188.65.194.1138934606.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> A good place to ask this question would be in the newsgroup comp.lang.tex. > > Hello All, > > I apologize for an off-topic question (on latex rather than linux). I > thought someone on the list might have run into a similar problem before. > > I am using mailmerge in the latex letter environment but seem to have > trouble increasing above 9 inputs fields. I get a latex error message that > looks > like: > > (./32705cover.tex > ! You already have nine parameters. > \reserved at a ...f \expandafter \cov \reserved at b #11 > 5{ > l.75 } > > ? > > I was wondering if any on list had run into this constraint and has any > suggestions on how I might be able to loosen, so as to exceed 9 fields. > > Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. I'm sorry again for the off-topic > question. > > Alex > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Peter Hiscocks Professor Emeritus, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Ryerson University 416-465-3007 www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 02:48:04 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:48:04 -0500 Subject: So Rogers has lost me as a customer... In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20602021832h47eb050di6c89bd491b830aa5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <20060131165422.GW18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1E59F4F2-B44D-49E6-B3BA-938A1AB5DCAD@ca.afilias.info> <20060131212625.GZ18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <6AE472F1-9C2A-42C5-BA3C-73B96336047C@ca.afilias.info> <20060201153952.GB18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E15EEA.5080603@rogers.com> <43E16619.50301@rogers.com> <20060202171514.GB2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E2B71A.4080100@rogers.com> <4386c5b20602021832h47eb050di6c89bd491b830aa5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E2C464.5090808@rogers.com> Aaron Vegh wrote: >>> So would one be able to call rogers and upgrade to the new plan? >> Yes. > > Oddly, when I spoke to Rogers the other night about this BitTorrent > choking issue, they told me I was on the 6Mb plan; this must have been > done without my knowing about it. The price I'm paying here on my last > bill is $44.95. That sound right? No. The 6 Mb plan is $46.95, iirc. One thing to bear in mind, is that both are called "Extreme". Perhaps(?) the guy you were talking to was confused. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 03:24:15 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:24:15 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: <1138923467.7060.56.camel-LwQTrTZM4/icvWdFBKKxig@public.gmane.org> References: <1138923467.7060.56.camel@vger4.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060203032415.GB19045@waltdnes.org> On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 06:37:47PM -0500, teddy mills wrote > Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? Mailing lists or usenet (NNTP). Web-based forums suck massively. > Should GTAlug remain on the mailing list or move to web based forum? Mailing list. Web-based forums suck massively. > What is your preferred window manager? BlackBox. BTW, this email is being typed in a real textmode console session. Web-based forums suck massively. > What is your favourite linux distribution? Gentoo. > Who will win Superbowl 40? I used to follow sports when I was a kid. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 04:47:50 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:47:50 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: <20060203032415.GB19045-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <1138923467.7060.56.camel@vger4.dyndns.org> <20060203032415.GB19045@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3@mail.gmail.com> On 2/2/06, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 06:37:47PM -0500, teddy mills wrote > > > Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? > > Mailing lists or usenet (NNTP). Web-based forums suck massively. Opinion here seems to heavily favour mailing lists over web-based forums. Why is that? The reason I ask is because I am setting up a Drupal-powered website and plan to offer a web-based forum. I know from my personal browsing habits that when I try out a new linux distro if the site offers a web-based forum it is usually the first place I bookmark - the Ubuntu Forum, for example, is a great searchable source of info that makes it very easy to post or browse around. Contrast that with something like the debian.user mailing list that gets over 4000+ post a month on average. Talk about trying to take a sip of water from a firehouse! That volume of email actually dissuades me from subscribing. I enjoy the TLUG mailing list, but I think beyond a handful of members that a web-based forum offers advantages - easily searchable and posts are indexed by search engines, and the user has more options to manage their participation in a site. But I would like to hear from other TLUGers what turns them off web-forums? Why do *you* prefer mailing lists over web-based forums? Daniel -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 04:50:54 2006 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:50:54 -0500 Subject: Off Topic: latex mail merge In-Reply-To: <50384.207.188.65.194.1138934606.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50384.207.188.65.194.1138934606.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > A good place to ask this question would be in the newsgroup comp.lang.tex. Thanks very much. I found the comp.text.tex and found the answer there. The problem was more basic than I thought. tex and latex commands only allow 9 arguments and there is no way to change this but it appears that there are work arounds. Thanks again. Alex > > > > > Hello All, > > > > I apologize for an off-topic question (on latex rather than linux). I > > thought someone on the list might have run into a similar problem before. > > > > I am using mailmerge in the latex letter environment but seem to have > > trouble increasing above 9 inputs fields. I get a latex error message that > > looks > > like: > > > > (./32705cover.tex > > ! You already have nine parameters. > > \reserved at a ...f \expandafter \cov \reserved at b #11 > > 5{ > > l.75 } > > > > ? > > > > I was wondering if any on list had run into this constraint and has any > > suggestions on how I might be able to loosen, so as to exceed 9 fields. > > > > Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. I'm sorry again for the off-topic > > question. > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Professor Emeritus, > Electrical and Computer Engineering, > Ryerson University > 416-465-3007 > www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 05:14:12 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:14:12 -0500 Subject: USB cable length and shirt-pocket drives? Message-ID: <20060203051412.GA19474@waltdnes.org> Using an approx 2 metre long USB connector cable, my card reader works OK, but a 40 gig shirt-pocket drive flakes out, with error messages in my logs. Replace the cable with a 2-foot cable, and the shirt-pocket drive works fine. Is this an attenuation issue, or are there extra wires in the short cable. There is a jack for a 5 volt dc supply. However, I'm running the drive strictly off the USB port for power. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 05:44:20 2006 From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:44:20 -0500 Subject: rpmbuild vs Xconfig In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 31 Jan 2006 22:49:26 -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > > > Yes, if you're going to use rpmbuild, the SRPM is the place to > start. However, as I said in my earlier reply, I don't recommend that > approach because building kernel RPMS (from an SRPM) is complicated. Even > if > you're expert at creating RPMS from scratch, it will probably take you > several days to modify and build a kernel RPM. It is _much_ easier to > build > from the kernel source tree. One thing I've noticed, is that Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 (and Fedora) no longer ship with a kernel source RPM with the source code in it. If you want to get the kernel source, you have to get it out of the kernel SRPM file. The way you go about installing it is documented in the RELEASE-NOTES which are on CD1 of RHEL/Fedora. Here's the Coles Notes version: 1. Install kernel SRPM. The files get written (by default) to /usr/src/redhat, in the various subdirectories. 2. Change to /usr/src/redhat/SPECS, and run 'rpmbuild -bp --target= kernel.spec' ( is your architecture, i386, i686, etc.) 3. The kernel source tree will be located in /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/. pm -- Paul Mora email: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 06:14:22 2006 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:14:22 -0500 Subject: So Rogers has lost me as a customer... In-Reply-To: <43E2C464.5090808-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <20060131165422.GW18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1E59F4F2-B44D-49E6-B3BA-938A1AB5DCAD@ca.afilias.info> <20060131212625.GZ18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <6AE472F1-9C2A-42C5-BA3C-73B96336047C@ca.afilias.info> <20060201153952.GB18971@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E15EEA.5080603@rogers.com> <43E16619.50301@rogers.com> <20060202171514.GB2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E2B71A.4080100@rogers.com> <4386c5b20602021832h47eb050di6c89bd491b830aa5@mail.gmail.com> <43E2C464.5090808@rogers.com> Message-ID: <43E2F4BE.9040306@rogers.com> > Perhaps(?) the guy you were talking to was confused. Hehe... this *is* Rogers we're talking about :) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 06:33:37 2006 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:33:37 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1138923467.7060.56.camel@vger4.dyndns.org> <20060203032415.GB19045@waltdnes.org> <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060203013337.05862b2c.tleslie@tcn.net> i was just looking at the Alan Cox vs. Linus Torvalds scrap on http://lkml.org and when i read this posting (below), it just got me thinking that lkml does a good job having a list, and a web site to navigate, thus making the best of both worlds. on a side note, i kinda side with Linus, getting Linux to be GPLv3 seems too complicated a task .. -tl On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:47:50 -0500 Daniel Armstrong wrote: > On 2/2/06, Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 06:37:47PM -0500, teddy mills wrote > > > > > Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? > > > > Mailing lists or usenet (NNTP). Web-based forums suck massively. > > Opinion here seems to heavily favour mailing lists over web-based forums. > Why is that? The reason I ask is because I am setting up a Drupal-powered > website and plan to offer a web-based forum. I know from my personal > browsing habits that when I try out a new linux distro if the site offers > a web-based forum it is usually the first place I bookmark - the Ubuntu > Forum, for example, is a great searchable source of info that makes it > very easy to post or browse around. > > Contrast that with something like the debian.user mailing list that gets > over 4000+ post a month on average. Talk about trying to take a sip of > water from a firehouse! That volume of email actually dissuades me from > subscribing. > > I enjoy the TLUG mailing list, but I think beyond a handful of members > that a web-based forum offers advantages - easily searchable and posts are > indexed by search engines, and the user has more options to manage their > participation in a site. But I would like to hear from other TLUGers what > turns them off web-forums? > > Why do *you* prefer mailing lists over web-based forums? > > Daniel > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 10:26:58 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:26:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1138923467.7060.56.camel@vger4.dyndns.org> <20060203032415.GB19045@waltdnes.org> <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87bqxowxe7.fsf@gmail.com> Daniel> Opinion here seems to heavily favour mailing lists over Daniel> web-based forums. Why is that? Daniel> Why do *you* prefer mailing lists over web-based forums? With a good user agent (such as Gnus) your interface to a mailing list (or a Usenet newsgroup) is very powerful. You can, for example, score and filter messages, sort them based on multiple criteria, move them among different "folders", sign your contributions with GPG, millions of other things that don't come to mind right now. You're only limited by the user agent program, and there are many of them and competition ensures many great features. With a web forum, you're limited by the interface of your browser. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 12:21:49 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 07:21:49 -0500 Subject: USB cable length and shirt-pocket drives? In-Reply-To: <20060203051412.GA19474-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203051412.GA19474@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <43E34ADD.2000307@rogers.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > Using an approx 2 metre long USB connector cable, my card reader works > OK, but a 40 gig shirt-pocket drive flakes out, with error messages in > my logs. Replace the cable with a 2-foot cable, and the shirt-pocket > drive works fine. Is this an attenuation issue, or are there extra > wires in the short cable. There is a jack for a 5 volt dc supply. > However, I'm running the drive strictly off the USB port for power. > Have you tried a different 2M cable? Yours may be defective. Bear in mind the card reader might be USB 1 and the hard drive USB 2. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 12:21:59 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:21:59 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1138923467.7060.56.camel@vger4.dyndns.org> <20060203032415.GB19045@waltdnes.org> <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060203122159.GA19789@waltdnes.org> On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 11:47:50PM -0500, Daniel Armstrong wrote > Opinion here seems to heavily favour mailing lists over web-based forums. > Why is that? The fact that you're asking this question indicates that you're on broadband. A couple of years ago I spent a few months on dialup. Usenet (NNTP) is actually my preferred option. Mailing lists, because they emulate usenet, are a 2nd choice. With usenet or email, you can log on, pull down all the messages, and log off. Reading and composing messages can be done offline, at leisure. But with a web board, you have to keep connected for a couple of hours. If you don't want to miss phone calls, that means getting another phone line. Reading usenet or email offline is an instant experience. You go to the next message, and it pops up on your screen. Have you ever tried to follow a heavy discussion on ZDNet? You spend more time waiting for the messages to redraw than you do reading, even with broadband. And the software has limits on the length of individual threads. This results in popular discussions being chopped just as they get interesting. > Contrast that with something like the debian.user mailing list that > gets over 4000+ post a month on average. Talk about trying to take a > sip of water from a firehouse! That volume of email actually dissuades > me from subscribing. Non-sequitur. A low-traffic web board is easier to follow than a high traffic usenet group or email list. Well... like... duhhhh. Please, let's compare apples to apples. I would *MUCH* rather read a high traffic usenet or email discussion than a high traffic web board. Have you ever tried following a high traffic discussion on Slashdot or ZDNet, *ESPECIALLY* on dialup? Try it, you won't like it. If you're more entranced by GUI than by message content, you can read email or usenet with a GUI reader, and it'll look like a web board. I prefer having my entire 80x48 text console available, with *MY CHOICE OF FONT AND TEXT COLOURS*. I do *NOT* want half my screen cluttered up with navigation menus and subframes. > I enjoy the TLUG mailing list, but I think beyond a handful of > members that a web-based forum offers advantages - easily searchable > and posts are indexed by search engines... Ditto for mailing lists and usenet news. It's called Google. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 13:36:04 2006 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 03 Feb 2006 08:36:04 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: teddy mills writes: > Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? Mailing list. > Should GTAlug remain on the mailing list or move to web based forum? You can do both. For instance, CLUE is setting up a mailing list<->web forum gateway with Drupal. > What is your preferred window manager? emacs. > What is your favourite linux distribution? None. They all suck. > Who will win Superbowl 40? Who's playing? -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 14:00:30 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:00:30 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1138923467.7060.56.camel@vger4.dyndns.org> <20060203032415.GB19045@waltdnes.org> <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E361FE.2040503@telly.org> Daniel Armstrong wrote: >Opinion here seems to heavily favour mailing lists over web-based forums. >Why is that? > 1) Web forums are active, you have to make an effort to get to them; you have to keep coming back as you have no idea when new comments are left. Mail is passive, the new stuff is delivered to you at the time it's created. 2) Through settings on your reader, mail can be downloaded and then read when you're offline. Web forums generally require connections. 3) You can easily choose to archive interesting threads (or the whole traffic). Archiving web forums isn't quite so easy. (OTOH, it's usually easier to see and search old archives -- especially those that predate your subscription -- on a web forum.) 4) Mail is generally lower bandwidth, as it has far less formatting data embedded (and rarely any graphics) compared to web pages. That is, this assumes you're looking at most if not all postings. > The reason I ask is because I am setting up a Drupal-powered >website and plan to offer a web-based forum. I know from my personal >browsing habits that when I try out a new linux distro if the site offers >a web-based forum it is usually the first place I bookmark - the Ubuntu >Forum, for example, is a great searchable source of info that makes it >very easy to post or browse around. > > Web forums are indeed easier for newcomers who haven't mastered mail threading. They're also better for high-volume, high-participation groups. But mail can't be beat for things like announcements, slow connections, or working offline. Have you looked at Drupal's "listhandler" module? Using it means you don't have to choose between mail and web. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 14:05:33 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:05:33 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E3632D.4080504@utoronto.ca> >> What is your favourite linux distribution? > > None. They all suck. Is this an endorsement of Mac OS X or it sucks too? Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 15:02:03 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:02:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: USB cable length and shirt-pocket drives? In-Reply-To: <20060203051412.GA19474-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203051412.GA19474@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <50039.207.188.65.194.1138978923.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> A useful rule of thumb is that the cable design becomes critical when it's electrical length - the time it takes for a pulse to propagate from one end to the other - is comparable to the width of the data pulses. In electrical parlance the cable becomes a transmission line and echoes from either the destination and source ends become significant. So it may be that reflections in the cable are corrupting the data. I assume you are using high-speed USB, in which case this effect could be important. At USB 2.0 speeds, two metres is a significant length of cable, so it's not entirely surprizing that this is a problem. If this is a really important problem to solve, you might want to check out the Black Box catalogue and look for USB 2.0 cables and extenders. If you wanted to verify that this is the problem, get a wide-bandwidth oscilloscope and check out the eye diagram created by the pulses. Peter > Using an approx 2 metre long USB connector cable, my card reader works > OK, but a 40 gig shirt-pocket drive flakes out, with error messages in > my logs. Replace the cable with a 2-foot cable, and the shirt-pocket > drive works fine. Is this an attenuation issue, or are there extra > wires in the short cable. There is a jack for a 5 volt dc supply. > However, I'm running the drive strictly off the USB port for power. > > -- > Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 > My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Peter Hiscocks Professor Emeritus, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Ryerson University 416-465-3007 www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 15:15:24 2006 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:15:24 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/2/06, teddy mills wrote: > > > > Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? Except for Perlmonks , which is a different animal altogether, mailing lists. I use GMail and it makes dealing with mailing lists a piece of cake. Should GTAlug remain on the mailing list or move to web based forum? Stay as a mailing list. Lower maintenance, fewer trolls, no anonymous cowards. What is your preferred window manager? WindowMaker. How have Windows users managed all this time without multiple desktops? I have two monitors and always have at least three desktops on the go, usually five. What is your favourite linux distribution? Mandrake .. for now .. but I want to try Slackware sometime soon, and there are plenty of others I want to sample. Who will win Superbowl 40? The TV networks. Oh, the football game? Seattle by seven. Alex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slackrat-mOBtk8rjKVpiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 15:41:05 2006 From: slackrat-mOBtk8rjKVpiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:41:05 +0100 Subject: Anybody has successful experience with Slackware 10.2 with rp-pppoe 3.5 on Sympatico? In-Reply-To: <8C7F674FBDE37FF-2174-1AF7-yIZWdUiUUlqmgCvd3M1ss7pta98KZJIQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060201200502.7735.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8C7F60B27C75D69-20DC-178@mblkn-m14.sysops.aol.com> <20060202172056.GD2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <8C7F674FBDE37FF-2174-1AF7@mblkn-m19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <43E37991.50400@nerdshack.com> frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > I got it. > > The one I was using is a new one. It is 3.7. I found an old one, 3.5 and > installed it. Now it's working. > Hmmmmmmmmm Without in any way wanting to be argumantative, Slack uses 3.6 rpppoe both on -10.2 and -current It worked right out of the box for me with Wanadoo as an ISP You might like to grab the 3.6 slackpack or use checkinstall when adding foreign packages. But if you really want to stay on the bleeding edge, grab the rss feed http://slackware.it/en/rss/snap_slackware-10.2.xml which will give you the hourly changelog Or run swaret as a cronjob daily which is what I do http://swaret.sourceforge.net/index.php -- F?licitations Slack Rat (Bill Henderson) Dit 'NON' aux brevets Logiciels http://brevets-logiciels.info/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 15:44:38 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:44:38 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: <43E361FE.2040503-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <1138923467.7060.56.camel@vger4.dyndns.org> <20060203032415.GB19045@waltdnes.org> <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3@mail.gmail.com> <43E361FE.2040503@telly.org> Message-ID: On 2/3/06, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Daniel Armstrong wrote: > >Opinion here seems to heavily favour mailing lists over web-based forums. > >Why is that? > > > 1) Web forums are active, you have to make an effort to get to them; you > have to keep coming back as you have no idea when new comments are left. > Mail is passive, the new stuff is delivered to you at the time it's created. > > 2) Through settings on your reader, mail can be downloaded and then read > when you're offline. Web forums generally require connections. > > 3) You can easily choose to archive interesting threads (or the whole > traffic). Archiving web forums isn't quite so easy. (OTOH, it's usually > easier to see and search old archives -- especially those that predate > your subscription -- on a web forum.) These all fall into one categorization in "The Unix Philosophy," namely "Avoid captive user interfaces." Web fora are excellent examples of captive user interfaces, as they generally force users into accessing data in ONE way, and not "any way the user likes." RSS feeds can change that, to a degree; that is a way of making the read-side of the UI less "captivated." But with mail or NNTP, there is nothing captive about it at all. - I can use whatever tools I have for managing email to manage the flow of messages - I can use *any* mail/news reader to access messages; I'm not restricted to web browsers. - Asynchronous processing. I don't need to use a direct synchronous connection to the web application in order to read/write messages. -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 16:51:46 2006 From: shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (J. Qiang Li) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:51:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <43E128E7.6090708-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <43E128E7.6090708@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20060203165146.58719.qmail@web54707.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > > I thought it would be neat if one could run Linux and W***P side be side under > Xen. The hardware would probably be prohibitive. Xen can run windows now?? from xen homepage: A port of Windows XP was developed for an earlier version of Xen, but is not available for release due to licence restrictions. > Ivan. > -- James. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 17:18:35 2006 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 03 Feb 2006 12:18:35 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: <43E3632D.4080504-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <43E3632D.4080504@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Ivan Avery Frey writes: > >> What is your favourite linux distribution? > > None. They all suck. > > Is this an endorsement of Mac OS X or it sucks too? All operating systems (and distros) suck. Some suck less others, though. And which ones suck the least changes from time to time. To be honest, if Linux wasn't around I would be using either a BSD distro or OS X. -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 17:55:01 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:55:01 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: References: <43E3632D.4080504@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <43E398F5.5030304@utoronto.ca> G. Matthew Rice wrote: > Ivan Avery Frey writes: >>>> What is your favourite linux distribution? >>> None. They all suck. >> Is this an endorsement of Mac OS X or it sucks too? > > All operating systems (and distros) suck. Some suck less others, though. > And which ones suck the least changes from time to time. In comparison to what? What is this simulacrum of an operating system that you imply -- goobuntu? ;) Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 18:00:53 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:00:53 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1138923467.7060.56.camel@vger4.dyndns.org> <20060203032415.GB19045@waltdnes.org> <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060203180053.GE2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 11:47:50PM -0500, Daniel Armstrong wrote: > Opinion here seems to heavily favour mailing lists over web-based forums. > Why is that? The reason I ask is because I am setting up a Drupal-powered > website and plan to offer a web-based forum. I know from my personal > browsing habits that when I try out a new linux distro if the site offers > a web-based forum it is usually the first place I bookmark - the Ubuntu > Forum, for example, is a great searchable source of info that makes it > very easy to post or browse around. Email is plain text (html users can go away please). I can use whatever program I like setup however I want it, to manage email. I can filter it, sort it, file it away, delete it, etc. I control it as I see fit. Web forums are very different. I have to use a web browser and deal with forms and clicking buttons, they usually don't work with text browsers very well, they attract people without even minimal clues about how to operate things, causing many empty replies (often many in a row) to things. Of course a sensible system would require a login each time you open it, while with email you subscribe once, and it is dealt with. With the email client I control the interface. With a web forum, someone else decides how it works and what the interface is. They are usually "wrong". :) With a web forum it is much harder to keep track of which messages I have already read, and I can't delete what I don't care about easily, and I can't save what I do care about easily. Lousy interface in general. > Contrast that with something like the debian.user mailing list that gets > over 4000+ post a month on average. Talk about trying to take a sip of > water from a firehouse! That volume of email actually dissuades me from > subscribing. I am subscribed to many debian mailing lists. Having a good client that threads well makes it much easier to deal with. Having procmail dump each major list into its own folder is also handy. I am also subscribed to lkml and manage to get the useful stuff (useful to me) from there without a problem. Single keystroke delete of an entire thread that doesn't matter to me is essential of course. So is a good spam filter. > I enjoy the TLUG mailing list, but I think beyond a handful of members > that a web-based forum offers advantages - easily searchable and posts are > indexed by search engines, and the user has more options to manage their > participation in a site. But I would like to hear from other TLUGers what > turns them off web-forums? > > Why do *you* prefer mailing lists over web-based forums? There is nothing to like about web forums. They don't add any useful feature to a discussion, and remove many useful features. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 18:06:05 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:06:05 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: <1138923467.7060.56.camel-LwQTrTZM4/icvWdFBKKxig@public.gmane.org> References: <1138923467.7060.56.camel@vger4.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060203180605.GF2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 06:37:47PM -0500, teddy mills wrote: > Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? Mailing lists. > Should GTAlug remain on the mailing list or move to web based forum? Well it can change if it wants to. I just won't change with it. :) > What is your preferred window manager? Anything that lets me move and resize windows, and doesn't interfere with sending keystrokes to my applications, and which uses minimal screen realestate. > What is your favourite linux distribution? Debian (for 7 years now). Redhat before that (for about 5 years), Slakcware before that and SLS at first. > Who will win Superbowl 40? One of the teams playing is my guess. > these are some voting/poll questions i setup on my server. > vote early vote often! (well, once a day is the joomla default) Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 18:08:28 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:08:28 -0500 Subject: USB cable length and shirt-pocket drives? In-Reply-To: <20060203051412.GA19474-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203051412.GA19474@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20060203180828.GG2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 12:14:12AM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > Using an approx 2 metre long USB connector cable, my card reader works > OK, but a 40 gig shirt-pocket drive flakes out, with error messages in > my logs. Replace the cable with a 2-foot cable, and the shirt-pocket > drive works fine. Is this an attenuation issue, or are there extra > wires in the short cable. There is a jack for a 5 volt dc supply. > However, I'm running the drive strictly off the USB port for power. Make sure the cable is good enough quality for the version of usb your device is using. 12Mbit is a lot less difficult to support than 480Mbit. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 18:10:08 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:10:08 -0500 Subject: OT: CPU Fan In-Reply-To: <200602022105.13736.pkay-Wu5PbJhdqlKw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200602022105.13736.pkay@thekays.ca> Message-ID: <20060203181008.GH2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 09:05:13PM -0500, Phil Kay wrote: > I apologize for the off-topic message, but I figured someone here might know > where I can pick up a socket 370 1U CPU fan. It needs to be the kind that > exhausts to the side. We have a Symbol Wireless switch (WS5000) that needs a > new fan. We've done some digging, but are having trouble finding one. Does > anyone here know of a place where we could pick one up? TIA > > To tie this just a little to the list: The fan is sounding horrible and the > BIOS on the switch shuts the device down if the CPU gets too hot. > Apparently, this happened during a software upgrade. That toasted the > configuration. We have it up and running again and upgraded the OS to the > lastest version. The thing now runs Linux! It uses apache and postgre for > the db. It had previously been running LynxOS. We've been very pleased with > its operation so far and are glad to add one more Linux server to our > collection. > > Thanks again for any help you can provide. All replies about the fan can come > to me directly. If you have more questions about the device (on-topic), I'd > be glad to answer them. Hmm, all the 1U servers I have worked with just had heatsinks on the CPU and piles of 40mm fans directing air from front to back of the machine. Usually about 8 fans or so accross the case. 1U stuff is often somewhat proprietary so it would take some searching to find a fan for that. Not the kind of thing a desktop user would ever need after all. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 18:32:22 2006 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 03 Feb 2006 13:32:22 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: <43E398F5.5030304-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <43E3632D.4080504@utoronto.ca> <43E398F5.5030304@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Jamon Camisso writes: > G. Matthew Rice wrote: > > All operating systems (and distros) suck. Some suck less others, though. > > And which ones suck the least changes from time to time. > > In comparison to what? What is this simulacrum of an operating system that > you imply -- goobuntu? ;) In comparison to each other, of course. However, to misquote Groucho Marx, this is just my opinion. If you don't like it... well, I have others. -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 20:38:34 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:38:34 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr Message-ID: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Sometimes, now, when I open OpenOffice it hangs my business production computer. I checked for any partition that may be full. I found this: [chris at a800 chris]$ df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 1004024 254928 698092 27% / /dev/hda3 2016044 1468792 444840 77% /home none 127696 0 127696 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda2 2949060 2698768 100488 97% /usr [chris at a800 chris]$ Clearly I need to lighten /usr 's load. What can I delete? The only programs I really use on the computer are Mozilla and OpenOffice but I don't want to delete programs that I don't know what they do or that other programs may rely on... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 20:45:27 2006 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:45:27 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: <20060203180053.GE2479-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1138923467.7060.56.camel@vger4.dyndns.org> <20060203032415.GB19045@waltdnes.org> <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3@mail.gmail.com> <20060203180053.GE2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 2/3/06, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 11:47:50PM -0500, Daniel Armstrong wrote: > [..] > > Contrast that with something like the debian.user mailing list that gets > > over 4000+ post a month on average. Talk about trying to take a sip of > > water from a firehouse! That volume of email actually dissuades me from > > subscribing. > > I am subscribed to many debian mailing lists. Having a good client that > threads well makes it much easier to deal with. Having procmail dump > each major list into its own folder is also handy. I am also subscribed > to lkml and manage to get the useful stuff (useful to me) from there > without a problem. Single keystroke delete of an entire thread that > doesn't matter to me is essential of course. So is a good spam filter. For me, that's the whole point. Before I switched to GMail, I used pine to read this list .. that was painful. Then I discovered I could sort messages by threads, and it became much easier. Moving to GMail gave me the same power and gives me a pretty good web UI at the same time, along with limited filtering. Having a mail-based system also means no flashing Microsoft ads, no Goooooogle ads, no ISP ads, no incessant clicking to see the 'next' message; the entire thread (under GMail, anyway) is on one page. That interface may not be popular with everyone else, but it works fine for me. Alex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 20:53:06 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:53:06 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <20060203203835.26574.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: On 2/3/06, caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > Sometimes, now, when I open OpenOffice it hangs my business production > computer. I checked for any partition that may be full. I found this: > > [chris at a800 chris]$ df > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda1 1004024 254928 698092 27% / > /dev/hda3 2016044 1468792 444840 77% /home > none 127696 0 127696 0% /dev/shm > /dev/hda2 2949060 2698768 100488 97% /usr > [chris at a800 chris]$ > > Clearly I need to lighten /usr 's load. What can I delete? The only programs > I really use on the computer are Mozilla and OpenOffice but I don't want to > delete programs that I don't know what they do or that other programs may > rely on... You really should consult your distribution's packaging system. For instance, with distributions like Red Hat's, SuSE, Mandriva, and such, "rpm -e" is likely to be the way to go. You could list packages on the system via "rpm -qa"; you might then come up with a list of things you imagine you don't need. You then, for those, submit "rpm -e names-of-packages." It'll complain if some ARE needed... Similarly, with Debian and derivatives like Ubuntu, you might try "dpkg -l" to list packages, then "dpkg -r names-of-packages" to remove the undesired stuff. Otherwise, it's a real shooting match, where you hope you know what you are doing, hoping you don't accidentally hit any vital organs... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 20:53:19 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:53:19 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: References: <1138923467.7060.56.camel@vger4.dyndns.org> <20060203032415.GB19045@waltdnes.org> <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3@mail.gmail.com> <20060203180053.GE2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0602031253v7f24c18cu407d9338e8fed80e@mail.gmail.com> On 2/3/06, Alex Beamish wrote: > Having a mail-based system also means no flashing Microsoft ads, no > Goooooogle ads, no ISP ads, no incessant clicking to see the 'next' message; > the entire thread (under GMail, anyway) is on one page. That interface may > not be popular with everyone else, but it works fine for me. I moved to gmail specifically to manage list traffic. I'm dying for a threaded display, but I'll live with the thread-per-page until the feature shows up in the web-based client (or I move to Zimbra... which will be delayed until they resolve a really nasty bug - Firefox users can't open any mail!) -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From imranqau-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 21:00:04 2006 From: imranqau-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Muhammad Imran) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:00:04 +0000 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <20060203203835.26574.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: >Sometimes, now, when I open OpenOffice it hangs my business production >computer. I checked for any partition that may be full. I found this: > >[chris at a800 chris]$ df >Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on >/dev/hda1 1004024 254928 698092 27% / >/dev/hda3 2016044 1468792 444840 77% /home >none 127696 0 127696 0% /dev/shm >/dev/hda2 2949060 2698768 100488 97% /usr >[chris at a800 chris]$ > >Clearly I need to lighten /usr 's load. What can I delete? The only >programs I really use on the computer are Mozilla and OpenOffice but I >don't want to delete programs that I don't know what they do or that other >programs may rely on... What I would suggest is instead of directly deleting any files from /usr. You go to System Settings > Add/Remove applications (or something similar depending on which distribution u use) and remove any packages/applications that you don't need. Most of the applications install files in /usr so by deleting any unwanted packages you should be able to free up some space. Another option, run this command: du -h /usr this command will tell you how much space each file/directory is using. so u can remove package to which those files belong (if u don't need that package). Regards, Imran _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 21:38:42 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:38:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 Message-ID: <20060203213842.33599.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ok, so the one item that seemed to strike a nerve on this list was giving away CDs at the Linux World Canada Show. With that in mind I will draft a "request" e-mail to send to various commercial distributions this weekend, with the following questions to be answered next: - How many CDs should I be asking for, of what type, from each firm? Keeping in mind that they may not send all the CDs I ask for, and that it is a game (for me at least and some (many?) others) to collect as much stuff ("swag") as possible at a show (so we want more that what seems reasonable :-) ). - Which firms should I be approaching, and can anyone offer contact names/addresses? My first take on firms would be: - Canonical Ltd. - Ubuntu Badger (or higher) - RedHat - Fedora Core 4 (or higher) - Novell - SuSE 10 (or higher) - Xandros - Xandros - Mandriva - Discovery/Lx - Terra Soft Solutions - Yellow Dog 4.1 (or higher) Now, the above list does not include two of my favourite distros, Debian and Knoppix, for non-commercial distributions like that we will have to rely on fans of the distribution in question to burn off several copies for the show. What commercially backed distributions. have I missed in the above? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 21:39:46 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:39:46 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <20060203203835.26574.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060203213946.GI2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 03:38:34PM -0500, caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > Sometimes, now, when I open OpenOffice it hangs my business production > computer. I checked for any partition that may be full. I found this: > > [chris at a800 chris]$ df > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda1 1004024 254928 698092 27% / > /dev/hda3 2016044 1468792 444840 77% /home > none 127696 0 127696 0% /dev/shm > /dev/hda2 2949060 2698768 100488 97% /usr > [chris at a800 chris]$ > > Clearly I need to lighten /usr 's load. What can I delete? The only > programs I really use on the computer are Mozilla and OpenOffice but I > don't want to delete programs that I don't know what they do or that other > programs may rely on... What do you have installed? Ask your package manager I guess. See what is big and bloated. :) Or get a bigger HD. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 21:41:23 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:41:23 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: References: <1138923467.7060.56.camel@vger4.dyndns.org> <20060203032415.GB19045@waltdnes.org> <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3@mail.gmail.com> <20060203180053.GE2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20060203214123.GJ2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 03:45:27PM -0500, Alex Beamish wrote: > For me, that's the whole point. Before I switched to GMail, I used pine to > read this list .. that was painful. Then I discovered I could sort messages > by threads, and it became much easier. Moving to GMail gave me the same > power and gives me a pretty good web UI at the same time, along with limited > filtering. Right. And if gmail's interface works well for you, then that is all that matters. With a web forum you wouldn't get to choose your interface or filtering rules. > Having a mail-based system also means no flashing Microsoft ads, no > Goooooogle ads, no ISP ads, no incessant clicking to see the 'next' message; > the entire thread (under GMail, anyway) is on one page. That interface may > not be popular with everyone else, but it works fine for me. Yeah. Nice and simple, and to the point. No extras required, just the message. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 21:42:02 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:42:02 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0602031253v7f24c18cu407d9338e8fed80e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1138923467.7060.56.camel@vger4.dyndns.org> <20060203032415.GB19045@waltdnes.org> <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3@mail.gmail.com> <20060203180053.GE2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <99a6c38f0602031253v7f24c18cu407d9338e8fed80e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060203214202.GK2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 03:53:19PM -0500, Scott Elcomb wrote: > I moved to gmail specifically to manage list traffic. I'm dying for a > threaded display, but I'll live with the thread-per-page until the > feature shows up in the web-based client (or I move to Zimbra... which > will be delayed until they resolve a really nasty bug - Firefox users > can't open any mail!) I will stick with mutt for my main email for now. gmail is nice and all, but it isn't mutt+vim. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 21:45:32 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:45:32 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060203213842.33599.qmail-W5RQQfbthkOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203213842.33599.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43E3CEFC.2020209@telly.org> Colin McGregor wrote: >Ok, so the one item that seemed to strike a nerve on >this list was giving away CDs at the Linux World >Canada Show. > It wasn't so much striking a nerve, as people trying to figure out how to give booth visitors a "takeaway" without incurring big expenses such as buying an electrical outlet for the duration. >- How many CDs should I be asking for, of what type, >from each firm? Keeping in mind that they may not send >all the CDs I ask for, and that it is a game (for me >at least and some (many?) others) to collect as much >stuff ("swag") as possible at a show (so we want more >that what seems reasonable :-) ). > > Personally, I think that 3,000 total will be more than enough. I'll see if I can find some contacts. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 22:01:04 2006 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:01:04 -0500 Subject: DIY ISP (was Re:So Rogers has lost me as a customer...) In-Reply-To: References: <43DBC89C.9040701@rogers.com> <200602011452.42961.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <200602031701.05186.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On February 1, 2006 15:05, Vlad Slavoaca wrote: > Well, first, DSL technology Doesn't Work Like That(tm). Not > just the distance, but also, you know, going over Bell's lines and > into their DSLAM. I've read HOW-TOs for doing this. It can be done, but the distance is the killer. > What you want is a LANx ("LAN Extension Service"). > Basically, it's a fiber line from your office to another location > of your choice, usually a datacentre, to your equipment there. If > you have upstream at that location, all the better. > It's basically a Layer 2 link managed by a third party. > Some can be pretty cheap; as in, about a grand a month for a 10Mbit > line or so. That just isn't worth it, not when a Rogers connection is a tenth of the price and it would cost $35k+ to get fiber to the building. I'm envious of a friend in the Washington, D.C. area who just got a fiber 10Mb/s connection to his home for $100/mo. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 3 22:39:05 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:39:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <43E3CEFC.2020209-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <43E3CEFC.2020209@telly.org> Message-ID: <20060203223905.99299.qmail@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > > >Ok, so the one item that seemed to strike a nerve > on > >this list was giving away CDs at the Linux World > >Canada Show. > > > It wasn't so much striking a nerve, as people trying > to figure out how > to give booth visitors a "takeaway" without > incurring big expenses such > as buying an electrical outlet for the duration. > > >- How many CDs should I be asking for, of what > type, > >from each firm? Keeping in mind that they may not > send > >all the CDs I ask for, and that it is a game (for > me > >at least and some (many?) others) to collect as > much > >stuff ("swag") as possible at a show (so we want > more > >that what seems reasonable :-) ). > > > > > Personally, I think that 3,000 total will be more > than enough. If we say had 3,000 copies of Ubuntu (or any other single distro.) I would say your right. What I would be afraid of is if we say have 300 copies of 10 distros. Then what I would expect is something like people saying "I want one copy of every distro." and we would very soon run out... > I'll see if I can find some contacts. If you could forward those on to me I would appreciate. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 4 03:35:26 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 22:35:26 -0500 Subject: Canadian Open Source Weekend Planned for March 2006 Message-ID: <43E420FE.2090700@pppoe.ca> Canadian Open Source Weekend Planned By Newsdesk Jan 28, 2006 Planning for the next Open Source Weekend, tentatively scheduled for March 2006, is now underway. Open Source Weekend (OSW) is a two day Canadian conference aimed at attracting or educating new users in open source platforms such as Linux, Free BSD and others. It typically consists of booths for showcasing vendor products, speeches, installfests, and lectures given by different individuals in the community, organizers describe. This is in addition to the speakers and lecturers who give talks that are geared towards introductions to the platform as well as detailed descriptions of some of the latest and greatest technologies and issues that are associated with the open source movement. The theme of the two day conference is to be "Open Source in Government" (OSIG). Future sponsor, speaker, lecturer and volunteer updates regarding the status of the confernce will be available online, at www.osw.ca. ################################# Anyone involved in this? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 4 05:40:13 2006 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 00:40:13 -0500 Subject: XWiki presentation Message-ID: <200602040040.13347.marc@lijour.net> I thought you might be interested by this XWiki presentation video (1h). XWiki is the Engine for the Mandriva Club and it recently earned an award at ObjectWebCon'06 for best use case. http://objectwebcon06.objectweb.org/xwiki/bin/Main/Vote (awards have been announced on Feb 1st but not published yet) Regards, marc -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 4 06:23:58 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 01:23:58 -0500 Subject: Canadian Open Source Weekend Planned for March 2006 In-Reply-To: <43E420FE.2090700-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <43E420FE.2090700@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0602032223t5f4fd79bj17957b3f8c4019fb@mail.gmail.com> On 2/3/06, Meng Cheah wrote: > Canadian Open Source Weekend Planned [...] > Anyone involved in this? According to the 'Links' page: * the Open Source Initiative * the Free Software Foundation * Linux Online * the Ottawa Canada Linux Users Group * Club Linux Gatineau * the Ottawa Carleton Unix Users Group * Ottawa Perl Mongers * GOSLING -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 4 06:55:25 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 22:55:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Canadian Open Source Weekend Planned for March 2006 In-Reply-To: <43E420FE.2090700-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <43E420FE.2090700@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <873biz1ulg.fsf@gmail.com> Meng> Planning for the next Open Source Weekend, tentatively scheduled Meng> for March 2006, is now underway. Meng> www.osw.ca. It doesn't say where? -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 4 08:07:56 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 03:07:56 -0500 Subject: Canadian Open Source Weekend Planned for March 2006 In-Reply-To: <873biz1ulg.fsf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <43E420FE.2090700@pppoe.ca> <873biz1ulg.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E460DC.6050009@pppoe.ca> Ian Zimmerman wrote: >Meng> Planning for the next Open Source Weekend, tentatively scheduled >Meng> for March 2006, is now underway. > >Meng> www.osw.ca. > >It doesn't say where? > > > From the Volunteering page, http://www.osw.ca/volunteers.php Meeting Schedule We have set out a series of meeting dates from now to March. We will try as much as possible to stick to them, to enable people to plan their schedules ahead of time. We are alternating Tuesdays and Wednesdays to allow people with fixed commitments on Tuesdays or Wednesdays a chance to come out. Meetings are held at 800 King Edward, corner Mann (the SITE building of the UofO). We meet on the mezzanine. ############### I think in Ottawa. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 4 12:15:44 2006 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 07:15:44 -0500 Subject: [ot] list maintenance: the unsubscribe link Message-ID: <43E49AF0.2040802@sympatico.ca> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml The unsub link 404s, for no particularly good reason. An approximation of the right link would be cheers, Stewart (who just has.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 4 04:01:22 2006 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 23:01:22 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <20060203203835.26574.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060203230122.7c13ab39.hgibson@eol.ca> On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:38:34 -0500 caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > Sometimes, now, when I open OpenOffice it hangs my business production > computer. I checked for any partition that may be full. I found this: > > [chris at a800 chris]$ df > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda1 1004024 254928 698092 27% / > /dev/hda3 2016044 1468792 444840 77% /home > none 127696 0 127696 0% /dev/shm > /dev/hda2 2949060 2698768 100488 97% /usr > [chris at a800 chris]$ Chris, I believe /dev/shm is your swap partition. When that gets full, you are toast. You need more RAM. Don't worry about /usr. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 4 12:42:05 2006 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 07:42:05 -0500 Subject: Detaching email attachments from email In-Reply-To: <43E280EA.8050800-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <43E280EA.8050800@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: I believe I may have been the one to ask where I could find this feature. I ended up writing a perl script to do just that. I find it much simpler to scan through a directory for a document rather than scanning through hundreds of e-mails with unrelated subject lines... Martin In an earlier thread someone asked about removing an attachment from an email. Well Thunderbird 1.5 appears capable of doing this if the email is in a local folder. I've used this feature in Mac OS X, but presumably in Linux it would be right-click on the attachment name and click detach or delete. Warning, when I tried to delete nested forwards Thunderbird crashed. It pretends to work on messages stored on an imap server. Where it did work it left a stub showing Deleted: AttachmentName. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 4 13:54:53 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:54:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Screen wallpaper Message-ID: <20060204135453.5004.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> With the Linux World Canada show coming up I went looking for art that we could "borrow" for the show, and I ran across the following collection of Linux wallpaper: http://www.easylinuxcds.com/wallpapers/thumbs1.shtml A fair number of the images are ...rude... and totaly unsuitable for the likes of a trade show, but for a home machine, well you be the judge. I really liked the SCO toilet paper roll :-) . Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 4 16:26:42 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:26:42 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060203165146.58719.qmail-G9kKzkjJuBCA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203165146.58719.qmail@web54707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43E4D5C2.8050009@georgetown.wehave.net> J. Qiang Li wrote: > Xen can run windows now?? > > from xen homepage: A port of Windows XP was developed for an earlier version of Xen, but is not > available for release due to licence restrictions. Xen can sort of run windows. If you have processors with Intel's VT extensions then you can run unmodified operating systems (Windows, Solaris, older Linux, etc.). It works in theory now, how well it works in practise I do not know. Eventually I'll be trying VT for running older Linuxes (SLES8) but for now have not tried it. AMD Pacifica extensions are to be released sometime this year and they will enable the same capability on Opteron. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 4 18:49:54 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:49:54 -0500 Subject: Proper way to use 'ssh-agent' and 'ssh-add' ? Message-ID: <20060204184954.GA2678@node1.opengeometry.net> What is proper way to use 'ssh-agent' and 'ssh-add'? Manpage says, 'ssh-agent' is to be run within login console, like eval `ssh-agent -s` and killed with eval `ssh-agent -s -k` If I put that in ~/.profile, then I have to type my passphrase on every login console or xterm. Very painful. I would like to run 'ssh-add' once, either at console or Xterm; and, after that, all my ssh activities should lookup 'ssh-agent', whether I'm at virtual consoles or Xterms. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 4 19:02:49 2006 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:02:49 -0500 Subject: Proper way to use 'ssh-agent' and 'ssh-add' ? In-Reply-To: <20060204184954.GA2678-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060204184954.GA2678@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <200602041402.49494.marc@lijour.net> On February 4, 2006 01:49 pm, William Park wrote: > What is proper way to use 'ssh-agent' and 'ssh-add'? > > Manpage says, 'ssh-agent' is to be run within login console, like > eval `ssh-agent -s` > and killed with > eval `ssh-agent -s -k` > If I put that in ~/.profile, then I have to type my passphrase on every > login console or xterm. Very painful. > > I would like to run 'ssh-add' once, either at console or Xterm; and, > after that, all my ssh activities should lookup 'ssh-agent', whether I'm > at virtual consoles or Xterms. I suggest you take a look at keychain... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 4 19:08:51 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:08:51 -0800 Subject: Proper way to use 'ssh-agent' and 'ssh-add' ? In-Reply-To: <20060204184954.GA2678-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060204184954.GA2678@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On 2/4/06, William Park wrote: > What is proper way to use 'ssh-agent' and 'ssh-add'? > > Manpage says, 'ssh-agent' is to be run within login console, like > eval `ssh-agent -s` > and killed with > eval `ssh-agent -s -k` > If I put that in ~/.profile, then I have to type my passphrase on every > login console or xterm. Very painful. > > I would like to run 'ssh-add' once, either at console or Xterm; and, > after that, all my ssh activities should lookup 'ssh-agent', whether I'm > at virtual consoles or Xterms. Well, if I just plain run ssh-agent, I see the following output: cbbrowne at knuth:~> ssh-agent SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-hIgcV30176/agent.30176; export SSH_AUTH_SOCK; SSH_AGENT_PID=30177; export SSH_AGENT_PID; echo Agent pid 30177; Presumably, if I put those values into the environments of other shell instances, then ssh, when invoked from those other shells, would be able to access the ssh-agent running on PID 30177. If I run the agent from the login shell, and invoke everything else from that, those environment values would automatically be passed on, and so, ssh-add would only need to get run once, *anywhere*. I think, by putting the bald ssh-agent command into $HOME/.profile, you're invoking it anew each time you start a new shell. You probably need to instead check to see if SSH_AGENT_PID is set, and only invoke it if there isn't already an ssh-agent running. It might work out better if you put the command in $HOME/.bash_login; that is not invoked for each new shell that you spawn... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 4 20:17:48 2006 From: jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:17:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Proper way to use 'ssh-agent' and 'ssh-add' ? In-Reply-To: <20060204184954.GA2678-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060204184954.GA2678@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: Set up your window manager to be invoked from ssh-agent, kinda like this sample script: #!/bin/bash exec /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/X11R6/bin/fluxbox Now all xterms (and other processes) that your window manager launches will use the one ssh-agent session, so you only need to enter your passphrase once per X session. JV On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, William Park wrote: > What is proper way to use 'ssh-agent' and 'ssh-add'? > Manpage says, 'ssh-agent' is to be run within login console, like > eval `ssh-agent -s` > and killed with > eval `ssh-agent -s -k` > If I put that in ~/.profile, then I have to type my passphrase on every > login console or xterm. Very painful. > I would like to run 'ssh-add' once, either at console or Xterm; and, > after that, all my ssh activities should lookup 'ssh-agent', whether I'm > at virtual consoles or Xterms. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 4 20:57:00 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:57:00 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <43E4D5C2.8050009-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203165146.58719.qmail@web54707.mail.yahoo.com> <43E4D5C2.8050009@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <43E5151C.9010806@rogers.com> Fraser Campbell wrote: > It works in theory now, how well it works in practise I do not know. In theory, practice follows theory. In practice, it doesn't. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 4 23:07:05 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:07:05 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <20060203230122.7c13ab39.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060203230122.7c13ab39.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20060204230705.731.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Howard Gibson writes: > On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:38:34 -0500 > caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> Sometimes, now, when I open OpenOffice it hangs my business production >> computer. I checked for any partition that may be full. I found this: >> >> [chris at a800 chris]$ df >> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on >> /dev/hda1 1004024 254928 698092 27% / >> /dev/hda3 2016044 1468792 444840 77% /home >> none 127696 0 127696 0% /dev/shm >> /dev/hda2 2949060 2698768 100488 97% /usr >> [chris at a800 chris]$ > > Chris, > > I believe /dev/shm is your swap partition. When that gets full, you are toast. But it's completely empty. 0% is being used... > You need more RAM. Why? > Don't worry about /usr. Well, something's slowing my system -- and I've found in the past when partitions get full and I free space in them then the machine runs better. Surely a 97% full partition is something to worry about -- no? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 4 23:34:42 2006 From: legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Tom Legrady) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:34:42 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <20060204230705.731.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060203230122.7c13ab39.hgibson@eol.ca> <20060204230705.731.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <1369D87C-CC02-4F49-AC33-D6CC141365A2@rogers.com> In theory, /usr contains the software you run, and the man pages, and other related stuff ... none of which changes. In some business environments, /usr is mounted read-only. It could even be a CD. So whether it is 1% full or 99% full shouldn't matter. At least, until you want to install more software What I don't see here is /tmp. Is it just part of /? is it a symbolic link to /usr/tmp? How many programs were you running at the time? OOo is a memory hog. How much RAM do you have? On 4-Feb-06, at 6:07 PM, caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > Howard Gibson writes: >> On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:38:34 -0500 >> caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> Sometimes, now, when I open OpenOffice it hangs my business >>> production computer. I checked for any partition that may be >>> full. I found this: [chris at a800 chris]$ df >>> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on >>> /dev/hda1 1004024 254928 698092 27% / >>> /dev/hda3 2016044 1468792 444840 77% /home >>> none 127696 0 127696 0% /dev/shm >>> /dev/hda2 2949060 2698768 100488 97% /usr >>> [chris at a800 chris]$ >> Chris, I believe /dev/shm is your swap partition. When that >> gets full, you are toast. > > But it's completely empty. 0% is being used... >> You need more RAM. > > Why? >> Don't worry about /usr. > > Well, something's slowing my system -- and I've found in the past > when partitions get full and I free space in them then the machine > runs better. Surely a 97% full partition is something to worry > about -- no? > Chris > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 5 00:41:57 2006 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:41:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Proper way to use 'ssh-agent' and 'ssh-add' ? In-Reply-To: <20060204184954.GA2678-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060204184954.GA2678@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, William Park wrote: > What is proper way to use 'ssh-agent' and 'ssh-add'? > > Manpage says, 'ssh-agent' is to be run within login console, like > eval `ssh-agent -s` > and killed with > eval `ssh-agent -s -k` > If I put that in ~/.profile, then I have to type my passphrase on every > login console or xterm. Very painful. > > I would like to run 'ssh-add' once, either at console or Xterm; and, > after that, all my ssh activities should lookup 'ssh-agent', whether I'm > at virtual consoles or Xterms. I have the following at the end of my ~/.xsession, to use ssh-agent with X: # Allow ssh-agent to kick off the window manager ($MANAGER) ssh-agent bash -c "ssh-add < /dev/null && $MANAGER" $MANAGER is the full path to your window manager set earlier in the script. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net We are open 24x365 for technical support. Call us in a crisis. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 5 01:04:37 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:04:37 -0500 Subject: Proper way to use 'ssh-agent' and 'ssh-add' ? In-Reply-To: References: <20060204184954.GA2678@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20060205010437.GA6399@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Feb 04, 2006 at 07:41:57PM -0500, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, William Park wrote: > > >What is proper way to use 'ssh-agent' and 'ssh-add'? > > > >Manpage says, 'ssh-agent' is to be run within login console, like > > eval `ssh-agent -s` > >and killed with > > eval `ssh-agent -s -k` > >If I put that in ~/.profile, then I have to type my passphrase on every > >login console or xterm. Very painful. > > > >I would like to run 'ssh-add' once, either at console or Xterm; and, > >after that, all my ssh activities should lookup 'ssh-agent', whether I'm > >at virtual consoles or Xterms. > > I have the following at the end of my ~/.xsession, to use ssh-agent with > X: > > # Allow ssh-agent to kick off the window manager ($MANAGER) > ssh-agent bash -c "ssh-add < /dev/null && $MANAGER" > > $MANAGER is the full path to your window manager set earlier in the > script. I'm doing a variation of above, right now. eval `ssh-agent -s` ssh-add startx It takes care of all ssh activities from that point on, as long as I do stay on X. But, I also use multiple virtual consoles. That's the problem. Does every user need his/her own 'ssh-agent'? Or, is single 'ssh-agent' (say, from /etc/rc.d/...) enough for whole machine? -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 5 04:26:00 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:26:00 -0500 Subject: Proper way to use 'ssh-agent' and 'ssh-add' ? In-Reply-To: <20060205010437.GA6399-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060204184954.GA2678@node1.opengeometry.net> <20060205010437.GA6399@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <43E57E58.2090709@georgetown.wehave.net> William Park wrote: > Does every user need his/her own 'ssh-agent'? Or, is single 'ssh-agent' > (say, from /etc/rc.d/...) enough for whole machine? When I run ssh-agent the following (important) things happen: SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-xqWDAU1536/agent.1536; export SSH_AUTH_SOCK; SSH_AGENT_PID=1537; export SSH_AGENT_PID; If you stuff the above into a file then it shouldn't be hard on subsequent logins to source the file, check for existence of SSH_AGENT_PID and either use it (if it exists) or create a new agent process (if it doesn't exist). The socket file will be r/w for the user that created it and not accessible to anyone else. So if user bob runs ssh-agent then only bob and root could use that agent. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 5 06:11:10 2006 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:11:10 -0500 Subject: Proper Iptable configuration file Message-ID: Hi all, I am seeking advice of which file one should ideally edit if one need a configuration that system-config-security script (in Redhat & Fedora) can not handle. I am aware one can edit iptables directly, but all changes would be lost on reboot or if one adjusted security through system-config-security script. What is the proper way of doing it? Thank in advance William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From imranqau-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 5 06:49:33 2006 From: imranqau-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Muhammad Imran) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 06:49:33 +0000 Subject: Proper Iptable configuration file Message-ID: > I am seeking advice of which file one should ideally edit if one >need a configuration that system-config-security script (in Redhat & >Fedora) can not handle. I am aware one can edit iptables directly, but >all changes would be lost on reboot or if one adjusted security >through system-config-security script. > What is the proper way of doing it? /etc/sysconfig/iptables-config in above file you can specify to save firewall rules upon system reboot/shutdown. regards, Imran _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 5 07:33:45 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:33:45 -0500 Subject: Proper way to use 'ssh-agent' and 'ssh-add' ? In-Reply-To: <43E57E58.2090709-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <20060204184954.GA2678@node1.opengeometry.net> <20060205010437.GA6399@node1.opengeometry.net> <43E57E58.2090709@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20060205073345.GA3396@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Feb 04, 2006 at 11:26:00PM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: > The socket file will be r/w for the user that created it and not > accessible to anyone else. So if user bob runs ssh-agent then only > bob and root could use that agent. Ah, thanks. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 5 14:36:51 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:36:51 -0500 Subject: Xen Can Run Windows Now Was Re:Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060203165146.58719.qmail-G9kKzkjJuBCA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203165146.58719.qmail@web54707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43E60D83.8000400@utoronto.ca> Xen 3.O along with the VT extensions of Intel or the Pacifica extensions of AMD can run WinXP as an unmodified guest OS. Whether such motherboards are out now, I don't know. To quote from the Xen 3.0 User Manual: With hardware CPU virtualization as provided by Intel VT and AMD Pacifica technology, the ability to run an unmodified guest OS kernel is available. No porting of the OS is required, although some additional driver support is necessary within Xen itself. Unlike traditional full virtualization hypervisors, which suffer a tremendous performance overhead, the combination of Xen and VT or Xen and Pacifica technology complement one another to offer superb performance for para-virtualized guest operating systems and full support for unmodified guests running natively on the processor. Full support for VT and Pacifica chipsets will appear in early 2006. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 5 17:43:40 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:43:40 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060205174341.21904.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Muhammad Imran writes: >> Clearly I need to lighten /usr 's load. What can I delete? The only >> programs I really use on the computer are Mozilla and OpenOffice but I >> don't want to delete programs that I don't know what they do or that >> other programs may rely on... > > What I would suggest is instead of directly deleting any files from /usr. > You go to System Settings > Add/Remove applications (or something similar > depending on which distribution u use) and remove any > packages/applications that you don't need. Most of the applications > install files in /usr so by deleting any unwanted packages you should be > able to free up some space. OK. I removed a couple. Only freed up 1% -- but it's a start. > > Another option, run this command: du -h /usr > this command will tell you how much space each file/directory is using. so > u can remove package to which those files belong (if u don't need that > package). Thanks -- unfortunately most of the files I don't recognize to the point that I would know if I need them or not. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 5 17:52:57 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:52:57 -0500 Subject: Xen Can Run Windows Now Was Re:Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <43E60D83.8000400-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203165146.58719.qmail@web54707.mail.yahoo.com> <43E60D83.8000400@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <43E63B79.6070003@georgetown.wehave.net> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Whether such motherboards are out now, I don't know. VT enable Intel chips are shipping today, I know IBM for sure has them not sure if other server vendors are shipping yet. I'm hoping to get my hands on one soon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtualization_Technology has a list of processors that support VT-x. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 5 18:06:13 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:06:13 -0800 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <20060205174341.21904.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060205174341.21904.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: On 2/5/06, caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > Muhammad Imran writes: > > > > >> Clearly I need to lighten /usr 's load. What can I delete? The only > >> programs I really use on the computer are Mozilla and OpenOffice but I > >> don't want to delete programs that I don't know what they do or that > >> other programs may rely on... > > > > What I would suggest is instead of directly deleting any files from /usr. > > You go to System Settings > Add/Remove applications (or something similar > > depending on which distribution u use) and remove any > > packages/applications that you don't need. Most of the applications > > install files in /usr so by deleting any unwanted packages you should be > > able to free up some space. > > OK. I removed a couple. Only freed up 1% -- but it's a start. > > > > Another option, run this command: du -h /usr > > this command will tell you how much space each file/directory is using. so > > u can remove package to which those files belong (if u don't need that > > package). > > Thanks -- unfortunately most of the files I don't recognize to the point > that I would know if I need them or not. Then you almost certainly shouldn't touch them. In any case, the performance difficulty that falls out of having a disk very nearly full is that WRITING files gets expensive. It is not READING them that gets more expensive. /usr should be very nearly read-only except at times when you are installing software. It should be possible to mount it read-only, most of the time... Having it very nearly full is bad at upgrade time; it shouldn't injure performance at other times. -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 5 20:58:54 2006 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:58:54 -0500 Subject: yahoo, aol, hotmail In-Reply-To: References: <20060205174341.21904.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <43E6670E.7030300@istop.com> I am putting all emails from these domains into trash folder. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 5 21:25:21 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:25:21 -0500 Subject: yahoo, aol, hotmail In-Reply-To: <43E6670E.7030300-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20060205174341.21904.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E6670E.7030300@istop.com> Message-ID: <43E66D41.6060209@alteeve.com> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > I am putting all emails from these domains into trash folder. > > zb. Um, okay. Any reason why? Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 5 22:18:06 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:18:06 -0500 Subject: yahoo, aol, hotmail In-Reply-To: <43E66D41.6060209-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060205174341.21904.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E6670E.7030300@istop.com> <43E66D41.6060209@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <43E6799E.8050203@utoronto.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > >> I am putting all emails from these domains into trash folder. >> >> zb. > > > Um, okay. Any reason why? > > Madison I think this might shed some insight into the above; http://news.com.com/Postage+is+due+for+companies+sending+e-mail/2100-1038_3-6035276.html?tag=nefd.top The URL says it all... Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From j.floyd-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 00:37:57 2006 From: j.floyd-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (j.floyd-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:37:57 -0500 Subject: (unknown) Message-ID: <1139186277.43e69a650eb56@webmail.utoronto.ca> Please unsubscribe me from your mailing list -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 00:58:52 2006 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:58:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: In-Reply-To: <1139186277.43e69a650eb56-2RFepEojUI0fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1139186277.43e69a650eb56@webmail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1270.213.58.134.50.1139187532.squirrel@www.lijour.net> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 01:21:57 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:21:57 -0500 Subject: yahoo, aol, hotmail In-Reply-To: <43E6799E.8050203-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060205174341.21904.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E6670E.7030300@istop.com> <43E66D41.6060209@alteeve.com> <43E6799E.8050203@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <43E6A4B5.9010905@alteeve.com> Jamon Camisso wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: >> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >> >>> I am putting all emails from these domains into trash folder. >>> >>> zb. >> >> >> Um, okay. Any reason why? >> >> Madison > > I think this might shed some insight into the above; > http://news.com.com/Postage+is+due+for+companies+sending+e-mail/2100-1038_3-6035276.html?tag=nefd.top > > > The URL says it all... > > Jamon Wasn't there a hoax along these lines a while ago? It looks like they've made a provision this time by still letting email through the filters but meh, whatever. It's AOL/Yahoo, who uses those services and actually know enough to care either way? Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From j.floyd-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 01:26:39 2006 From: j.floyd-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (j.floyd-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 20:26:39 -0500 Subject: In-Reply-To: <1270.213.58.134.50.1139187532.squirrel-yQHV/pc6l8fuNdv6BosnGw@public.gmane.org> References: <1139186277.43e69a650eb56@webmail.utoronto.ca> <1270.213.58.134.50.1139187532.squirrel@www.lijour.net> Message-ID: <1139189199.43e6a5cf0eb20@webmail.utoronto.ca> Quoting Marc Lijour : > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > Thanks for getting back to me! I don't know what I am doing! I have tried typing the URL you note above and I get a "Page Not Found" message! So I simply e-mailed tlug.ss.org and left the message, which everyone on the list must have got! Cheers! John Floyd -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 02:41:14 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:41:14 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060203213842.33599.qmail-W5RQQfbthkOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203213842.33599.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43E6B74A.4020100@utoronto.ca> Colin McGregor wrote: > Ok, so the one item that seemed to strike a nerve on > this list was giving away CDs at the Linux World > Canada Show. With that in mind I will draft a > "request" e-mail to send to various commercial > distributions this weekend, with the following > questions to be answered next: > > - How many CDs should I be asking for, of what type, > from each firm? Keeping in mind that they may not send > all the CDs I ask for, and that it is a game (for me > at least and some (many?) others) to collect as much > stuff ("swag") as possible at a show (so we want more > that what seems reasonable :-) ). > > - Which firms should I be approaching, and can anyone > offer contact names/addresses? My first take on firms > would be: > > - Canonical Ltd. - Ubuntu Badger (or higher) Dapper is set for release April 20th. We're stuck in a Catch-22 situation where it looks kinda amateurish to be distributing copies of Badger and we won't have any copies of Dapper on hand. > - RedHat - Fedora Core 4 (or higher) > - Novell - SuSE 10 (or higher) > - Xandros - Xandros > - Mandriva - Discovery/Lx > - Terra Soft Solutions - Yellow Dog 4.1 (or higher) > > Now, the above list does not include two of my > favourite distros, Debian and Knoppix, for > non-commercial distributions like that we will have to > rely on fans of the distribution in question to burn > off several copies for the show. > > What commercially backed distributions. have I missed > in the above? Xen Source. No, it's not a Linux distro per se, but as the leading open source hypervisor out there, I don't think it should be neglected. > > Colin McGregor > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 03:05:03 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:05:03 -0500 Subject: Apache2, Debian and SSI Message-ID: <43E6BCDF.2080603@alteeve.com> Hi all, I've recently switched my server from Fedora Core 1 to Debian Sarge 3.1. I've installed Apache2 and I have virtual hosting and all that jazz working fine. The only thing I *haven't* been able to get working yet is server-side includes. I thought all I needed to do was to add the 'Options Includes' to the directory involved (document root) for the virtual host and it would work but no go. The file is 'index.shtml' and I searched Synaptic for anything Apache2/SSI related that I could find but I might still be missing something. Has anyone gotten SSI working on Apache2 under Debian 3.1 (or with any version that uses the 'sites-available'/'sites-enabled' system)? Thanks! Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 03:15:30 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:15:30 -0500 Subject: Apache2, Debian and SSI In-Reply-To: <43E6BCDF.2080603-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43E6BCDF.2080603@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <43E6BF52.1060803@georgetown.wehave.net> Madison Kelly wrote: > Has anyone gotten SSI working on Apache2 under Debian 3.1 (or with any > version that uses the 'sites-available'/'sites-enabled' system)? No but with 1.3 based apaches you need this: AddHandler server-parsed .shtml Do you have it? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 02:23:32 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:23:32 -0500 Subject: yahoo, aol, hotmail In-Reply-To: <43E6A4B5.9010905-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060205174341.21904.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E6670E.7030300@istop.com> <43E66D41.6060209@alteeve.com> <43E6799E.8050203@utoronto.ca> <43E6A4B5.9010905@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <43E6B324.6050800@utoronto.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > Wasn't there a hoax along these lines a while ago? It looks like > they've made a provision this time by still letting email through the > filters but meh, whatever. It's AOL/Yahoo, who uses those services and > actually know enough to care either way? > > Madison I myself don't remember, but I've read about something MCI wanted to try, namely, charging users a small fee per hop off of their core network i.e. some computer in China vs. their portal would accrue overage fees based on the number of hops. This last summer, there was a bit of a ruckus caused by an exec at Bellsouth who wanted to allow content providers priority on their network, based of course on who would be willing to pay the most -- a two tiered internet was the big fear. Not sure what the hoax is/was/would have been? Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 03:26:51 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:26:51 -0500 Subject: PCI chipset -- module vs. compiled-in Message-ID: <20060206032651.GA2908@node1.opengeometry.net> Normally, my PCI chipset is compiled in. But, for experiment, I tried compiling in only the "generic" options, and moved all specific PCI chipsets (ie. via82cxxx, hpt366) as modules. Hotplug loads all the modules alright, but with all 'hdparm' options turned off. When I tried turning on DMA, $ hdparm -m 16 -c 1 -u 1 -d 1 /dev/hda I get /dev/hda: setting 32-bit IO_support flag to 1 setting multcount to 16 setting unmaskirq to 1 (on) setting using_dma to 1 (on) HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted multcount = 16 (on) IO_support = 1 (32-bit) unmaskirq = 1 (on) using_dma = 0 (off) Is this normal? Has anyone encountered this before? I thought I should check here first. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 03:26:16 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:26:16 -0500 Subject: Apache2, Debian and SSI In-Reply-To: <43E6BF52.1060803-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <43E6BCDF.2080603@alteeve.com> <43E6BF52.1060803@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <43E6C1D8.9070604@alteeve.com> Fraser Campbell wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: > >> Has anyone gotten SSI working on Apache2 under Debian 3.1 (or with >> any version that uses the 'sites-available'/'sites-enabled' system)? > > No but with 1.3 based apaches you need this: > > AddHandler server-parsed .shtml > > Do you have it? Hi, Same question I have about the SSI tutorial (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/howto/ssi.html), where do I put that? The docs seem to assume that people know where to put directives. :p Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 03:36:02 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:36:02 -0500 Subject: Apache2, Debian and SSI In-Reply-To: <43E6C1D8.9070604-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43E6BCDF.2080603@alteeve.com> <43E6BF52.1060803@georgetown.wehave.net> <43E6C1D8.9070604@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <43E6C422.7040309@georgetown.wehave.net> Madison Kelly wrote: > Same question I have about the SSI tutorial > (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/howto/ssi.html), where do I put that? > > The docs seem to assume that people know where to put directives. :p If you look at the specific directive (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_mime.html#addhandler) you'll see it mentions context. For AddHandler context is server config, virtual host, directory, .htaccess ... in other words you can put it in a lot of different places. If you want .shtml files to be parsed for server side includes regardless of site or file location then you could put it globally ... otherwise you might want it just in a or . -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 03:38:10 2006 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:38:10 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <43E6B74A.4020100-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203213842.33599.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <43E6B74A.4020100@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20060206033809.GB22940@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 09:41:14PM -0500, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > >Ok, so the one item that seemed to strike a nerve on > >this list was giving away CDs at the Linux World > >Canada Show. With that in mind I will draft a > >"request" e-mail to send to various commercial > >distributions this weekend, with the following > >questions to be answered next: > > > >- How many CDs should I be asking for, of what type, > >from each firm? Keeping in mind that they may not send > >all the CDs I ask for, and that it is a game (for me > >at least and some (many?) others) to collect as much > >stuff ("swag") as possible at a show (so we want more > >that what seems reasonable :-) ). > > > >- Which firms should I be approaching, and can anyone > >offer contact names/addresses? My first take on firms > >would be: > > > >- Canonical Ltd. - Ubuntu Badger (or higher) > > Dapper is set for release April 20th. We're stuck in a Catch-22 situation > where it looks kinda amateurish to be distributing copies of Badger and we > won't have any copies of Dapper on hand. Perhaps. We could add info about the release to the list of net downloads available. It could be easier for some people to use the (just out of date) copy of Badge to install on a system, and then upgrade to Drake online without having to download a CD. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 03:54:04 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:54:04 -0500 Subject: Apache2, Debian and SSI In-Reply-To: <43E6C422.7040309-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <43E6BCDF.2080603@alteeve.com> <43E6BF52.1060803@georgetown.wehave.net> <43E6C1D8.9070604@alteeve.com> <43E6C422.7040309@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <43E6C85C.8040906@alteeve.com> Fraser Campbell wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: > >> Same question I have about the SSI tutorial >> (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/howto/ssi.html), where do I put that? >> >> The docs seem to assume that people know where to put directives. :p > > If you look at the specific directive > (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_mime.html#addhandler) you'll > see it mentions context. For AddHandler context is server config, > virtual host, directory, .htaccess ... in other words you can put it in > a lot of different places. > > If you want .shtml files to be parsed for server side includes > regardless of site or file location then you could put it globally ... > otherwise you might want it just in a or > . *sigh* Thanks for the link, that helped clear things up but I still seem to be plum out of luck. I can't even generate an error message. In the main 'apache2.conf' there is: SetOutputFilter INCLUDES Which I have tried using directly in mu VH container without luck. I tried the line you gave me in both places, too. Likewise, I tried the XBitHack (threw an error) and the: AddType text/html .shtml AddOutputFilter INCLUDES .shtml in both places as well. Talk about frustrating... Maybe I'm just not l33t enough of somethin'. :p Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 04:08:34 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 23:08:34 -0500 Subject: PCI chipset -- module vs. compiled-in In-Reply-To: <20060206032651.GA2908-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060206032651.GA2908@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <43E6CBC2.2050903@utoronto.ca> William Park wrote: > Normally, my PCI chipset is compiled in. But, for experiment, I > tried compiling in only the "generic" options, and moved all specific > PCI chipsets (ie. via82cxxx, hpt366) as modules. > > Hotplug loads all the modules alright, but with all 'hdparm' options > turned off. When I tried turning on DMA, > $ hdparm -m 16 -c 1 -u 1 -d 1 /dev/hda > I get > /dev/hda: > setting 32-bit IO_support flag to 1 > setting multcount to 16 > setting unmaskirq to 1 (on) > setting using_dma to 1 (on) > HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted > multcount = 16 (on) > IO_support = 1 (32-bit) > unmaskirq = 1 (on) > using_dma = 0 (off) > > Is this normal? Has anyone encountered this before? I thought I should > check here first. Would enabling this line do it? CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 04:34:10 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 23:34:10 -0500 Subject: yahoo, aol, hotmail In-Reply-To: <43E6B324.6050800-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060205174341.21904.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E6670E.7030300@istop.com> <43E66D41.6060209@alteeve.com> <43E6799E.8050203@utoronto.ca> <43E6A4B5.9010905@alteeve.com> <43E6B324.6050800@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <43E6D1C2.10702@telly.org> I don't know what kind of protest would be accomplishing by nuking mail from legitimate users of those systems. The problem described in the URL you sent would indicate that those users will have new problems receiving mail; more specifically, bulk mail senders will be able to bypass AOL and Yahoo spam filters. It doesn't affect their sending capability. It strikes me that the people on those sites will suffer enough without having their outgoing mail nuked too. At least, send an auto-reply letting such people know why you're doing this. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 04:34:13 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 23:34:13 -0500 Subject: Solved. Re:Apache2, Debian and SSI In-Reply-To: <43E6C85C.8040906-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43E6BCDF.2080603@alteeve.com> <43E6BF52.1060803@georgetown.wehave.net> <43E6C1D8.9070604@alteeve.com> <43E6C422.7040309@georgetown.wehave.net> <43E6C85C.8040906@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <43E6D1C5.70606@alteeve.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Fraser Campbell wrote: >> Madison Kelly wrote: >> >>> Same question I have about the SSI tutorial >>> (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/howto/ssi.html), where do I put that? >>> >>> The docs seem to assume that people know where to put directives. :p >> >> If you look at the specific directive >> (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_mime.html#addhandler) you'll >> see it mentions context. For AddHandler context is server config, >> virtual host, directory, .htaccess ... in other words you can put it >> in a lot of different places. >> >> If you want .shtml files to be parsed for server side includes >> regardless of site or file location then you could put it globally ... >> otherwise you might want it just in a or >> . > > *sigh* > > Thanks for the link, that helped clear things up but I still seem to > be plum out of luck. I can't even generate an error message. In the main > 'apache2.conf' there is: > > > SetOutputFilter INCLUDES > > > Which I have tried using directly in mu VH container without luck. I > tried the line you gave me in both places, too. Likewise, I tried the > XBitHack (threw an error) and the: > > AddType text/html .shtml > AddOutputFilter INCLUDES .shtml > > in both places as well. > > Talk about frustrating... Maybe I'm just not l33t enough of somethin'. :p > > Madison That banging sound you hear is my head against the coffee table... Turns out everything was right all along, it was a Debian-ism that got me. I didn't realize that I had to create a symlink in the 'mods-enabled' directory to the 'includes.load' file in the 'mods-available' directory. mendokusai! Anywho, *many* thanks and g'night! Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 05:30:48 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 00:30:48 -0500 Subject: PCI chipset -- module vs. compiled-in In-Reply-To: <43E6CBC2.2050903-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060206032651.GA2908@node1.opengeometry.net> <43E6CBC2.2050903@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20060206053048.GA3669@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 11:08:34PM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > William Park wrote: > >Normally, my PCI chipset is compiled in. But, for experiment, I > >tried compiling in only the "generic" options, and moved all specific > >PCI chipsets (ie. via82cxxx, hpt366) as modules. > > > >Hotplug loads all the modules alright, but with all 'hdparm' options > >turned off. When I tried turning on DMA, > > $ hdparm -m 16 -c 1 -u 1 -d 1 /dev/hda > >I get > > /dev/hda: > > setting 32-bit IO_support flag to 1 > > setting multcount to 16 > > setting unmaskirq to 1 (on) > > setting using_dma to 1 (on) > > HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted > > multcount = 16 (on) > > IO_support = 1 (32-bit) > > unmaskirq = 1 (on) > > using_dma = 0 (off) > > > >Is this normal? Has anyone encountered this before? I thought I should > >check here first. > > Would enabling this line do it? > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y It is already 'y'. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 05:34:21 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 00:34:21 -0500 Subject: Website mirroring with wget Message-ID: <20060206053421.GA11705@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I have been looking at website mirroring, and at first blush it seems like wget would be a good tool for this, but I've run into some problems. It seems that even with --mirror and -p switches, wget does not download stylesheets called by the @import convention, nor any of the files called in such a stylesheet. Has anyone else encountered this problem, and do you have a solution? Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It seems that even with --mirror and -p switches, wget does > not download stylesheets called by the @import convention, nor any > of the files called in such a stylesheet. Has anyone else encountered > this problem, and do you have a solution? Thanks. > -- > > yours, > > William > > ----- Scott C. Ripley phone: (416)738-6357 www: http://www.scottripley.com email: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Secure Your E-Mail! http://www.mysecuremail.com/javascrypt/ ----------------------------------------- This mail was sent using: http://www.mysecuremail.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 15:59:46 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:59:46 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <20060203230122.7c13ab39.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060203230122.7c13ab39.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20060206155946.GL2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 11:01:22PM -0500, Howard Gibson wrote: > On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:38:34 -0500 > caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > Sometimes, now, when I open OpenOffice it hangs my business production > > computer. I checked for any partition that may be full. I found this: > > > > [chris at a800 chris]$ df > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > > /dev/hda1 1004024 254928 698092 27% / > > /dev/hda3 2016044 1468792 444840 77% /home > > none 127696 0 127696 0% /dev/shm > > /dev/hda2 2949060 2698768 100488 97% /usr > > [chris at a800 chris]$ > > Chris, > > I believe /dev/shm is your swap partition. When that gets full, you are toast. /dev/shm is shared memory support (Some versions of X among other things use that to access it.) Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 16:00:31 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:00:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: LWNW 2006 - GTALUG Discount Code Message-ID: <20060206160032.79155.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Got the following note from the Linux World and Network World folks, everyone on this mailing list can claim a discount on lectures/tutorials at the show. Please do review what they are offering and seriously consider signing up for something :-) . Colin McGregor > You're part of the team-don't miss the event! > > > > Dear Colin, > > > > We're excited to have the support of GTALUG for > LinuxWorld and > NetworkWorld Conference and Expo 2006. Featuring the > latest in strategic > technology, this year's event will draw a host of > key figures in the IT > community, from forward-thinking users to > decision-making executives. > > > > This is your chance to be part of a high-profile > environment at a > special price. As a GTALUG member, you receive a 25% > discount on ALL > admission packages and free admission to the > tradeshow - Just use code > A101 when registering > . > > > > Tip: Early Bird packages are available until March > 17h-with your > additional 25% Association discount (code: A101), > you can save hundreds > of dollars off of the regular price. Maximize your > savings by > registering now: https://www.exporeg.com/lwnw/ > ! > > > > The LWNW 2006 Conference is unlike any other of its > kind. Here's why: > > > > Use code A101 and you get... > > > > * True educational value, where presenters are not > vendors. Learn > from industry experts* that have first-hand > knowledge of products and > services in their domain. > * Diverse options in a mixed environment, with the > addition of the > Smalltalk Solutions Conference*. These sessions, > which zero-in on > Smalltalk-related issues and ideas, are available to > you free of charge. > > * Freedom to choose, with a Super Pass that grants > you unlimited > access to ALL available sessions. Customize your > learning itinerary to > include the seminars and tutorials you want...it's > entirely up to you. > * Rich information and optimal flexibility-for a > lower price. > Remember, as a member of GTALUG, using code A101 > will save you 25% off > all admission rates! > > > > *Our conference sessions/speakers have been posted: > http://www.lwnwexpo.plumcom.ca/conference.cfm > . > > > > Be sure to forward this message on to other members > of GTALUG so they > can take advantage of this offer too! > > > > To view the event website, go to > www.lwnwexpo.plumcom.ca > . [snip] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 16:06:40 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:06:40 -0500 Subject: PCI chipset -- module vs. compiled-in In-Reply-To: <20060206032651.GA2908-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060206032651.GA2908@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20060206160640.GM2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 10:26:51PM -0500, William Park wrote: > Normally, my PCI chipset is compiled in. But, for experiment, I > tried compiling in only the "generic" options, and moved all specific > PCI chipsets (ie. via82cxxx, hpt366) as modules. You do NOT want generic compiled in. That is the last one you would want compiled in. It is a generic ide driver that runs most pci ide controllers, but being generic does not do dma or anything else. Since it would now get first shot at controlling all your ide ports, the native drivers you try and load later as modules of course can't load because generic already took control of the ports. Make them all generic, and load the correct ones for your chipset in the initrd. generic can be loaded last as a last resort for accessing the ide ports. > Hotplug loads all the modules alright, but with all 'hdparm' options > turned off. When I tried turning on DMA, > $ hdparm -m 16 -c 1 -u 1 -d 1 /dev/hda > I get > /dev/hda: > setting 32-bit IO_support flag to 1 > setting multcount to 16 > setting unmaskirq to 1 (on) > setting using_dma to 1 (on) > HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted > multcount = 16 (on) > IO_support = 1 (32-bit) > unmaskirq = 1 (on) > using_dma = 0 (off) > > Is this normal? Has anyone encountered this before? I thought I should > check here first. It is normal, and perfectly correct behaviour for your configuration. The configuration is just wrong. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 17:49:16 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:49:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Cheap/free CNC Machine Access... Message-ID: <20060206174916.53151.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I am looking for cheap or ideally free access to a CNC (Computer Numerical Control) cutting machine for doing metal Linux case badges. I am a big fan of tagging my home machines showing that they are running Linux, to the point were a few years ago I ordered 20 case badges from these folks: http://www.scotgold.com/ (I then sold off the badges I didn't need at a GTALug meeting). Since then I have been on the look out for interesting case badges. There used to be an Australian firm "Silicon Breeze" that offered Linux related cast metal case badges, but they do not appear to be in business any more. So, when ran across the following I was interested: http://www.tep.org.uk/PDF/TEP_Pewter_Bulletin_No2.pdf Pay attention to the image in the upper left corner of page 4. This is almost exactly the sort of thing that would make for a great case badge, a 1" x 1" (or if you prefer 25mm x 25mm) square with a raised image of Tux... The problem here being that I need a mold, and I am not a big carver. So, I am looking for access to a very cheap, or if possible free CNC (Computer Numerical Control) machine, where I figure my way through putting together a file as to what is to be cut and the machine cuts the mold, and then I take things from there. Anyone have any ideas? Suggestions? Thanks in advance. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 19:39:42 2006 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 14:39:42 -0500 Subject: : In-Reply-To: <1139234498.43e756c244705-2RFepEojUI0fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1139234498.43e756c244705@webmail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <43E75FAE.6028.99AA0AC@localhost> I think you are going about this wrong ... You are sending this to everyone on the list. Please check the website at tlug.ss.org to see how to unsubscribe. Regards Paul King On 6 Feb 2006 at 9:01, j.floyd-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (j.floyd-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org ) spaketh these wourdes: > > unsubscribe > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > __________ NOD32 1.1395 (20060206) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 20:06:36 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:06:36 -0500 Subject: : In-Reply-To: <43E75FAE.6028.99AA0AC@localhost> References: <1139234498.43e756c244705@webmail.utoronto.ca> <43E75FAE.6028.99AA0AC@localhost> Message-ID: On 2/6/06, Paul King wrote: > I think you are going about this wrong ... You are sending this to everyone on > the list. Please check the website at tlug.ss.org to see how to unsubscribe. Unfortunately, the URL referenced at the bottom of each email > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml has become obsolete, what with things having migrated over to the wiki at gtalug.org. Presumably Drew Sullivan needs to modify the standard footer to point to some place that is a bit more directly relevant, possibly I'd normally be game to "roast the dummy" about posting unsubscribe requests to the Wrong Place, but when things have changed such that the link isn't quite helpful enough, that would seem a bit unfair. By the way, the way to unsubscribe is thus: Please send a mail to: tlug-request-HcP7FbCj2GFAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org And in the body of the message, place only: "subscribe" to subscribe or "unsubscribe" to unsubscribe, without the quotes. -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 21:45:03 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:45:03 -0500 Subject: Unsubscribing In-Reply-To: <43E75FAE.6028.99AA0AC@localhost> References: <43E75FAE.6028.99AA0AC@localhost> Message-ID: <43E7C35F.10308@utoronto.ca> In fact jfloyd misspelled request, it appears mail sent to tlug-reqest-HcP7FbCj2GFAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org ends up on the list. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 01:26:37 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:26:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: PCI chipset -- module vs. compiled-in In-Reply-To: <20060206032651.GA2908-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060206032651.GA2908@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <87fymwnelw.fsf@gmail.com> > $ hdparm -m 16 -c 1 -u 1 -d 1 /dev/hda Funny that it allows you to run hdparm without root at all. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From david-FkEgs2FKm2NvBvnq28/GKQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 02:11:53 2006 From: david-FkEgs2FKm2NvBvnq28/GKQ at public.gmane.org (David Thornton) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 02:11:53 +0000 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <20060203203835.26574.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <43E801E9.1060307@quadratic.net> caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > Sometimes, now, when I open OpenOffice it hangs my business production > computer. I checked for any partition that may be full. I found this: > [chris at a800 chris]$ df > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda1 1004024 254928 698092 27% / > /dev/hda3 2016044 1468792 444840 77% /home > none 127696 0 127696 0% /dev/shm > /dev/hda2 2949060 2698768 100488 97% /usr > [chris at a800 chris]$ > Clearly I need to lighten /usr 's load. What can I delete? The only > programs I really use on the computer are Mozilla and OpenOffice but I > don't want to delete programs that I don't know what they do or that > other programs may rely on... > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml on a redhat system: rpm -qa --queryformat "[%-30{=SIZE} %{NAME}\n]" | sort -rn under gentoo equery size will tell you size.. Dunno how you would get the size of all package sand sort in reverse though. David -- Let one walk alone, committing no sin with few wishes, like an elephant in the forest. -- Ghost in the shell 2: Innocence -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anthony-e6QRBlwUI3iaMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 6 22:30:25 2006 From: anthony-e6QRBlwUI3iaMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org (Anthony Tekatch) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:30:25 -0500 Subject: Cheap/free CNC Machine Access... In-Reply-To: <20060206174916.53151.qmail-7EKNVtTItHqB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060206174916.53151.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060206173025.3096dfd0@pino> On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:49:16 -0500 (EST), Colin McGregor wrote: > I am looking for cheap or ideally free access to a CNC > (Computer Numerical Control) cutting machine for doing > metal Linux case badges. Not free, but here's an interesting place that will probably do what you want. http://www.emachineshop.com/index.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 02:20:22 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 21:20:22 -0500 Subject: Cheap/free CNC Machine Access... In-Reply-To: <20060206174916.53151.qmail-7EKNVtTItHqB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060206174916.53151.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43E803E6.3060201@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > I am looking for cheap or ideally free access to a CNC > (Computer Numerical Control) cutting machine for doing > metal Linux case badges. > > I am a big fan of tagging my home machines showing > that they are running Linux, to the point were a few > years ago I ordered 20 case badges from these folks: > http://www.scotgold.com/ (I then sold off the badges I > didn't need at a GTALug meeting). Since then I have > been on the look out for interesting case badges. > There used to be an Australian firm "Silicon Breeze" > that offered Linux related cast metal case badges, but > they do not appear to be in business any more. So, > when ran across the following I was interested: > > http://www.tep.org.uk/PDF/TEP_Pewter_Bulletin_No2.pdf I never heard of anyone casting their 'puter before. ;-) Incidentally, I bought some of those domed stickers from Cheap Bytes. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From david-FkEgs2FKm2NvBvnq28/GKQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 02:21:55 2006 From: david-FkEgs2FKm2NvBvnq28/GKQ at public.gmane.org (David Thornton) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 02:21:55 +0000 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <20060203203835.26574.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <43E80443.9040703@quadratic.net> caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > Sometimes, now, when I open OpenOffice it hangs my business production > computer. I checked for any partition that may be full. I found this: > [chris at a800 chris]$ df > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda1 1004024 254928 698092 27% / > /dev/hda3 2016044 1468792 444840 77% /home > none 127696 0 127696 0% /dev/shm > /dev/hda2 2949060 2698768 100488 97% /usr > [chris at a800 chris]$ > Clearly I need to lighten /usr 's load. What can I delete? The only > programs I really use on the computer are Mozilla and OpenOffice but I > don't want to delete programs that I don't know what they do or that > other programs may rely on... > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml Oh and you could just use find to find large files that might give you good bang for your buck. find /usr -size +1000k You might also use lsof to find files that are deleted but that are still open by processes. lsof | grep -i deleted David -- Let one walk alone, committing no sin with few wishes, like an elephant in the forest. -- Ghost in the shell 2: Innocence -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 02:26:53 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 18:26:53 -0800 Subject: Cheap/free CNC Machine Access... In-Reply-To: <20060206173025.3096dfd0@pino> References: <20060206174916.53151.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20060206173025.3096dfd0@pino> Message-ID: On 2/6/06, Anthony Tekatch wrote: > On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:49:16 -0500 (EST), Colin McGregor wrote: > > > I am looking for cheap or ideally free access to a CNC > > (Computer Numerical Control) cutting machine for doing > > metal Linux case badges. > > Not free, but here's an interesting place that will probably do what you > want. > > http://www.emachineshop.com/index.html That sounds like a reasonable way of producing a die that could then be used to punch images. But it sounds like it's on the expensive side as a way of doing individual items... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 02:35:43 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 21:35:43 -0500 Subject: Canada Open-Source Group Tackles Policy Issues Message-ID: <43E8077F.7070503@pppoe.ca> re CLUE http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/ComputerCanada/News.asp?id=38202 http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/48648.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 03:01:44 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 22:01:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Cheap/free CNC Machine Access... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060207030144.37864.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Christopher Browne wrote: > On 2/6/06, Anthony Tekatch > wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:49:16 -0500 (EST), Colin > McGregor wrote: > > > > > I am looking for cheap or ideally free access to > a CNC > > > (Computer Numerical Control) cutting machine for > doing > > > metal Linux case badges. > > > > Not free, but here's an interesting place that > will probably do what you > > want. > > > > http://www.emachineshop.com/index.html > > That sounds like a reasonable way of producing a die > that could then > be used to punch images. But it sounds like it's on > the expensive > side as a way of doing individual items... The goal here is to make a mold into which molten pewter can be poured. Then wait for the pewter to cool, remove from the mold and start again. Pewter is an alloy made up mostly of tin, for food safe pewter it is normally something like 92% tin, 6% antimony and 2% copper (yes, there are pewters out there that use lead, which I would want to avoid). The exact melting point of pewter depends on the metal mix, but is normally under 450 degrees F, a temp. low enough that an electric paint stripping heat gun and/or a small propane torch will melt it (both of which I own examples). Now, I have gone to the emachineshop.com website, downloaded the (yuck) MS-Windows software and I will plan on poking at that tomorrow on a machine at the office. A quick look at the sample prices suggests they will likely be well beyond what I would be willing to pay, but, we shall see... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 03:52:50 2006 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 22:52:50 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060206033809.GB22940-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203213842.33599.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <43E6B74A.4020100@utoronto.ca> <20060206033809.GB22940@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: Hi all, This thread triggered a question. Is there a CD for Linux from scratch distribution? I know its just hundreds of tar balls, but that can actually be very helpful for someone who is travelling to a place why dial up is a stable food. I once though of collecting all the files, but its not easy if you haven't read through the LFS book. A collection of all those tar balls tied to a specific book version would life less boring when you can't be on line often William On 05/02/06, John Macdonald wrote: > On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 09:41:14PM -0500, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > > Colin McGregor wrote: > > >Ok, so the one item that seemed to strike a nerve on > > >this list was giving away CDs at the Linux World > > >Canada Show. With that in mind I will draft a > > >"request" e-mail to send to various commercial > > >distributions this weekend, with the following > > >questions to be answered next: > > > > > >- How many CDs should I be asking for, of what type, > > >from each firm? Keeping in mind that they may not send > > >all the CDs I ask for, and that it is a game (for me > > >at least and some (many?) others) to collect as much > > >stuff ("swag") as possible at a show (so we want more > > >that what seems reasonable :-) ). > > > > > >- Which firms should I be approaching, and can anyone > > >offer contact names/addresses? My first take on firms > > >would be: > > > > > >- Canonical Ltd. - Ubuntu Badger (or higher) > > > > Dapper is set for release April 20th. We're stuck in a Catch-22 situation > > where it looks kinda amateurish to be distributing copies of Badger and we > > won't have any copies of Dapper on hand. > > Perhaps. We could add info about the release to the list of net > downloads available. It could be easier for some people to use > the (just out of date) copy of Badge to install on a system, and > then upgrade to Drake online without having to download a CD. > > -- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lfeder-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 08:58:37 2006 From: lfeder-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:58:37 -0500 Subject: SSO-single sign on for Linux-Windows-Mac Message-ID: I was wondering what SSO solutions TLUG members have used. I am leaning towards a Samba 3-PDC-LDAP-Keberos5 ? But this wont be easy. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 14:39:18 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:39:18 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <43E80443.9040703-FkEgs2FKm2NvBvnq28/GKQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E80443.9040703@quadratic.net> Message-ID: <43E8B116.8080206@vianet.ca> David Thornton wrote: > caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> Sometimes, now, when I open OpenOffice it hangs my business >> production computer. I checked for any partition that may be full. I >> found this: >> [chris at a800 chris]$ df >> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on >> /dev/hda1 1004024 254928 698092 27% / >> /dev/hda3 2016044 1468792 444840 77% /home >> none 127696 0 127696 0% /dev/shm >> /dev/hda2 2949060 2698768 100488 97% /usr >> [chris at a800 chris]$ >> Clearly I need to lighten /usr 's load. What can I delete? The only >> programs I really use on the computer are Mozilla and OpenOffice but >> I don't want to delete programs that I don't know what they do or >> that other programs may rely on... >> Chris >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > Oh and you could just use find to find large files that might give you > good bang for your buck. > > find /usr -size +1000k That's a handy command -- thanks. I found vmware (which I'm not using). I deleted all related files, as root, with rm -rf /usr/lib/vmware/* That freed up another 3% to bring /usr down to 93%. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 14:46:01 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:46:01 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <43E8B116.8080206-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E80443.9040703@quadratic.net> <43E8B116.8080206@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060207144601.GN2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 09:39:18AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > That's a handy command -- thanks. I found vmware (which I'm not using). > I deleted all related files, as root, with rm -rf /usr/lib/vmware/* Amazingly vmware has an uninstall script that actually cleans up everything properly. Kernel modules, init scripts, etc. You just left a mess doing it manually. Might want to go do it properly instead. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 14:47:00 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:47:00 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <1369D87C-CC02-4F49-AC33-D6CC141365A2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20060203230122.7c13ab39.hgibson@eol.ca> <20060204230705.731.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <1369D87C-CC02-4F49-AC33-D6CC141365A2@rogers.com> Message-ID: <43E8B2E4.7070908@vianet.ca> Tom Legrady wrote: > In theory, /usr contains the software you run, and the man pages, and > other related stuff ... none of which changes. In some business > environments, /usr is mounted read-only. It could even be a CD. So > whether it is 1% full or 99% full shouldn't matter. At least, until > you want to install more software > > What I don't see here is /tmp. [chris at a800 chris]$ df /tmp Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 1004024 253916 699104 27% / > Is it just part of /? Yes > is it a symbolic link to /usr/tmp? I don't know how to figure that out... > > How many programs were you running at the time? OO and Mozilla. > OOo is a memory hog. How much RAM do you have? 256 MB -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 14:53:56 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:53:56 +0200 (IST) Subject: Cheap/free CNC Machine Access... In-Reply-To: <20060207030144.37864.qmail-XddnEKhDJlqB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060207030144.37864.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Feb 2006, Colin McGregor wrote: > --- Christopher Browne wrote: >> On 2/6/06, Anthony Tekatch >> wrote: >>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:49:16 -0500 (EST), Colin >> McGregor wrote: >>> >>>> I am looking for cheap or ideally free access to >> a CNC >>>> (Computer Numerical Control) cutting machine for >> doing >>>> metal Linux case badges. >>> >>> Not free, but here's an interesting place that >> will probably do what you >>> want. >>> >>> http://www.emachineshop.com/index.html >> >> That sounds like a reasonable way of producing a die >> that could then >> be used to punch images. But it sounds like it's on >> the expensive >> side as a way of doing individual items... > > The goal here is to make a mold into which molten > pewter can be poured. Then wait for the pewter to > cool, remove from the mold and start again. Two words: Silicone mold You still need the positive model, which can be made from FIMO or wax. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 14:57:03 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:57:03 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: References: <20060203213842.33599.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <43E6B74A.4020100@utoronto.ca> <20060206033809.GB22940@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <43E8B53F.2040202@pppoe.ca> Kihara Muriithi wrote: >Hi all, > This thread triggered a question. Is there a CD for Linux from >scratch distribution? I know its just hundreds of tar balls, but that >can actually be very helpful for someone who is travelling to a place >why dial up is a stable food. > I once though of collecting all the files, but its not easy if you >haven't read through the LFS book. A collection of all those tar balls >tied to a specific book version would life less boring when you can't >be on line often >William > >On 05/02/06, John Macdonald wrote: > > >>On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 09:41:14PM -0500, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: >> >> >>>Colin McGregor wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Ok, so the one item that seemed to strike a nerve on >>>>this list was giving away CDs at the Linux World >>>>Canada Show. With that in mind I will draft a >>>>"request" e-mail to send to various commercial >>>>distributions this weekend, with the following >>>>questions to be answered next: >>>> >>>>- How many CDs should I be asking for, of what type, >>>> >>>> >>>>from each firm? Keeping in mind that they may not send >>> >>> >>>>all the CDs I ask for, and that it is a game (for me >>>>at least and some (many?) others) to collect as much >>>>stuff ("swag") as possible at a show (so we want more >>>>that what seems reasonable :-) ). >>>> >>>>- Which firms should I be approaching, and can anyone >>>>offer contact names/addresses? My first take on firms >>>>would be: >>>> >>>>- Canonical Ltd. - Ubuntu Badger (or higher) >>>> >>>> >>>Dapper is set for release April 20th. We're stuck in a Catch-22 situation >>>where it looks kinda amateurish to be distributing copies of Badger and we >>>won't have any copies of Dapper on hand. >>> >>> >>Perhaps. We could add info about the release to the list of net >>downloads available. It could be easier for some people to use >>the (just out of date) copy of Badge to install on a system, and >>then upgrade to Drake online without having to download a CD. >> >> >> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/download.html enjoy :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 15:00:04 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:00:04 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: References: <20060203213842.33599.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <43E6B74A.4020100@utoronto.ca> <20060206033809.GB22940@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <43E8B5F4.4000409@pppoe.ca> Kihara Muriithi wrote: >Hi all, > This thread triggered a question. Is there a CD for Linux from >scratch distribution? I know its just hundreds of tar balls, but that >can actually be very helpful for someone who is travelling to a place >why dial up is a stable food. > I once though of collecting all the files, but its not easy if you >haven't read through the LFS book. A collection of all those tar balls >tied to a specific book version would life less boring when you can't >be on line often >William > > Sorry about the previous post, please disregard. William, check http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/download.html out. Enjoy :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 15:01:42 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:01:42 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: References: <20060203213842.33599.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <43E6B74A.4020100@utoronto.ca> <20060206033809.GB22940@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: Kihara Muriithi wrote: > Hi all, > This thread triggered a question. Is there a CD for Linux from > scratch distribution? I know its just hundreds of tar balls, but that > can actually be very helpful for someone who is travelling to a place > why dial up is a stable food. > I once though of collecting all the files, but its not easy if you > haven't read through the LFS book. A collection of all those tar balls > tied to a specific book version would life less boring when you can't > be on line often > William Take a look here: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/livecd/ Quote: "Includes all sources and the LFS Book This spares you from having to download all the packages individually, which can be quite time consuming. It also removes the need for a working internet connection." Exactly what you are looking for no? Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 15:06:05 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:06:05 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <20060207144601.GN2479-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E80443.9040703@quadratic.net> <43E8B116.8080206@vianet.ca> <20060207144601.GN2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <43E8B75D.7030505@vianet.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 09:39:18AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > >>That's a handy command -- thanks. I found vmware (which I'm not using). >>I deleted all related files, as root, with rm -rf /usr/lib/vmware/* >> >> > >Amazingly vmware has an uninstall script that actually cleans up >everything properly. > I assume it's on the CD somewhere... > Kernel modules, init scripts, etc. You just left >a mess doing it manually. > > Oops. I tried rpm -e vmware and rpm -e VMware and it didn't take so I did it manually. >Might want to go do it properly instead. > > OK, I'll browse the VMware CD for an uninstall script and directions. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 15:08:38 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:08:38 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <43E8B75D.7030505-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E80443.9040703@quadratic.net> <43E8B116.8080206@vianet.ca> <20060207144601.GN2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E8B75D.7030505@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060207150838.GO2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 10:06:05AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > I assume it's on the CD somewhere... Sure, and in the directory it was installed to. > Oops. I tried rpm -e vmware and rpm -e VMware and it didn't take so I > did it manually. I didn't think vmware came as rpm. Maybe it does. I have only ever used the tar file to install it. > OK, I'll browse the VMware CD for an uninstall script and directions. vmware-uninstall.pl should be in the same directory as the binary for vmware, which you probable have now deleted. However as long as /etc/vmware still exists any copy of the uninstall script should know what to clean up. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 15:38:45 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:38:45 -0800 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <43E8B75D.7030505-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E80443.9040703@quadratic.net> <43E8B116.8080206@vianet.ca> <20060207144601.GN2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E8B75D.7030505@vianet.ca> Message-ID: On 2/7/06, Chris Aitken wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > >On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 09:39:18AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > > > > >>That's a handy command -- thanks. I found vmware (which I'm not using). > >>I deleted all related files, as root, with rm -rf /usr/lib/vmware/* > >> > >> > > > >Amazingly vmware has an uninstall script that actually cleans up > >everything properly. > > > I assume it's on the CD somewhere... > > > Kernel modules, init scripts, etc. You just left > >a mess doing it manually. > > Oops. I tried rpm -e vmware and rpm -e VMware and it didn't take so I > did it manually. That was definitely a mistake. Did you consider looking for package names on the off-chance that it might have some prefix/suffix? Obviously not... > >Might want to go do it properly instead. Far too late, and he clearly doesn't care about trying to do it properly; he evidently just wants to have fun finding stuff he hopes he can delete without leading to a Blue Screen of Death. > OK, I'll browse the VMware CD for an uninstall script and directions. Way too late. You have to look for instructions *BEFORE* you go off and purge things, and possibly pay some attention to the instructions you *do* get. If you're just going to blunder off and destroy the integrity of your system because you think you need to "do something," then it is a waste of time for anyone to try to do anything to help. In system administration, one of the rules is "Do No Harm." If you don't know what you're doing, STOP, because you're probably going to break something. On a production system, someone else would presumably have to clean up, whilst you clean out your desk (because you're not going to be working there anymore). If it's your own home system, you can't get fired, but we can't help, either. If you won't be helped, we can't try to help... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 16:08:55 2006 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:08:55 -0500 Subject: Linux World Canada Show, April 24-26, 2006 In-Reply-To: References: <20060203213842.33599.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <43E6B74A.4020100@utoronto.ca> <20060206033809.GB22940@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: On 07/02/06, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Kihara Muriithi wrote: > > Hi all, > > This thread triggered a question. Is there a CD for Linux from > > scratch distribution? I know its just hundreds of tar balls, but that > > can actually be very helpful for someone who is travelling to a place > > why dial up is a stable food. > > I once though of collecting all the files, but its not easy if you > > haven't read through the LFS book. A collection of all those tar balls > > tied to a specific book version would life less boring when you can't > > be on line often > > William > > Take a look here: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/livecd/ > Quote: "Includes all sources and the LFS Book > This spares you from having to download all the packages individually, which can > be quite time consuming. It also removes the need for a working internet > connection." > > Exactly what you are looking for no? > > Jamon Neat, that is what I am looking for. I did visit that page before posting here, but carelessly assumed its just another live CD like the ones I have lying about. I should have read further That is very thoughtful of them as that portability allow better use of time when disconnected from net. I will be burning a couple very soon William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 16:22:08 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:22:08 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E80443.9040703@quadratic.net> <43E8B116.8080206@vianet.ca> <20060207144601.GN2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E8B75D.7030505@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <43E8C930.2080307@utoronto.ca> Christopher Browne wrote: > Way too late. > > You have to look for instructions *BEFORE* you go off and purge > things, and possibly pay some attention to the instructions you *do* > get. > > If you're just going to blunder off and destroy the integrity of your > system because you think you need to "do something," then it is a > waste of time for anyone to try to do anything to help. > > In system administration, one of the rules is "Do No Harm." If you > don't know what you're doing, STOP, because you're probably going to > break something. On a production system, someone else would > presumably have to clean up, whilst you clean out your desk (because > you're not going to be working there anymore). If it's your own home > system, you can't get fired, but we can't help, either. If you won't > be helped, we can't try to help... I think he's getting conflicting instructions from this mailing list. For experienced users there are also a lot of things that we leave out. For example it is advisable to use uninstall scripts to remove software packages. Anyhow if the vmware uninstall script doesn't work, he could reinstall vmware and then use the uninstall script. But the real problem here is performance issues, something that a full /usr partition isn't going to impinge upon. I think the real source of the problem here is 256M of RAM and OpenOffice. I run NeoOffice (based on OO) on Mac OS X and a PB G4 w/512M of RAM and, yeah, it's sluggish. Can't wait to get 2G on this machine. Ivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 16:36:35 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:36:35 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <43E8C930.2080307-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E80443.9040703@quadratic.net> <43E8B116.8080206@vianet.ca> <20060207144601.GN2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E8B75D.7030505@vianet.ca> <43E8C930.2080307@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <43E8CC93.1080603@vianet.ca> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > I think he's getting conflicting instructions from this mailing list. > For experienced users there are also a lot of things that we leave > out. For example it is advisable to use uninstall scripts to remove > software packages. > > Anyhow if the vmware uninstall script doesn't work, he could reinstall > vmware and then use the uninstall script. > > But the real problem here is performance issues, something that a full > /usr partition isn't going to impinge upon. > > I think the real source of the problem here is 256M of RAM and > OpenOffice. Thanks. I'll open the box and see if there's a slot for another stick of RAM. I fear not, but I'll see. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 17:10:00 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:10:00 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <20060207150838.GO2479-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E80443.9040703@quadratic.net> <43E8B116.8080206@vianet.ca> <20060207144601.GN2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E8B75D.7030505@vianet.ca> <20060207150838.GO2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <43E8D468.9000306@vianet.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 10:06:05AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > >>I assume it's on the CD somewhere... >> >> > >Sure, and in the directory it was installed to. > > > >>Oops. I tried rpm -e vmware and rpm -e VMware and it didn't take so I >>did it manually. >> >> > >I didn't think vmware came as rpm. Maybe it does. I have only ever >used the tar file to install it. > > > >>OK, I'll browse the VMware CD for an uninstall script and directions. >> >> > >vmware-uninstall.pl should be in the same directory as the binary for >vmware, which you probable have now deleted. However as long as >/etc/vmware still exists any copy of the uninstall script should know >what to clean up. > > I used ls -a to look for it in /etc/vmware (and it's sub-directories) -- not there. Doesn't look like it's anywhere on the system: [root at p733 chris]# find / -name vmware-uninstall.pl [root at p733 chris]# Will the one on the original CD (I have a store-bought copy) work or must the script contain installation-specific information? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 17:42:53 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:42:53 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <43E8C930.2080307-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E80443.9040703@quadratic.net> <43E8B116.8080206@vianet.ca> <20060207144601.GN2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E8B75D.7030505@vianet.ca> <43E8C930.2080307@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20060207174253.GP2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 11:22:08AM -0500, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > I think he's getting conflicting instructions from this mailing list. For > experienced users there are also a lot of things that we leave out. For > example it is advisable to use uninstall scripts to remove software > packages. > > Anyhow if the vmware uninstall script doesn't work, he could reinstall > vmware and then use the uninstall script. Unless it is installed with the exact same configuration it won't match and hence won't use the right places. If /etc/vmware still exists it has the right info though to match the config. > But the real problem here is performance issues, something that a full /usr > partition isn't going to impinge upon. Actually the write performance of many of the filesystems on linux are very very bad when the filesystem gets close to full. In that case more free space does help. > I think the real source of the problem here is 256M of RAM and OpenOffice. That certainly is a very bad combination. > I run NeoOffice (based on OO) on Mac OS X and a PB G4 w/512M of RAM and, > yeah, it's sluggish. Can't wait to get 2G on this machine. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 17:44:12 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:44:12 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <43E8D468.9000306-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E80443.9040703@quadratic.net> <43E8B116.8080206@vianet.ca> <20060207144601.GN2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E8B75D.7030505@vianet.ca> <20060207150838.GO2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E8D468.9000306@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20060207174412.GQ2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 12:10:00PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > I used ls -a to look for it in /etc/vmware (and it's sub-directories) -- > not there. Doesn't look like it's anywhere on the system: No /etc/vmware contains the configuration file the uninstall script needs in order to cleanly remove everything. > [root at p733 chris]# find / -name vmware-uninstall.pl > [root at p733 chris]# Of course. It was in /usr/bin/vmware or wherever you had vmware's binaries. > Will the one on the original CD (I have a store-bought copy) work or > must the script contain installation-specific information? It should be a script of the same version of vmware. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 18:15:19 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:15:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Cheap/free CNC Machine Access... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060207181520.63745.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Peter wrote: > Two words: Silicone mold > > You still need the positive model, which can be made > from FIMO or wax. Yes, but, but, but... I don't claim to be a carver, never mind one who could turn out a positive model that must be this small (1" x 1" x about 1/8" or if you prefer 25mm x 25mm x about 3mm). The goal here is to create a mold that can be used to cast pewter case badges. Now that sort of mold can be made by machining a block of aluminium (or other metal with a melting point MUCH higher than pewter). Alternatively one can use wax and/or FIMO (a type of clay) to make a positive image, then use a heat tolerant silicone rubber (or some types of plaster or sand) to make the mold. So, if nobody knows a cheap route for CNC Machines to directly machine the mold, is anyone comfortable carving a good looking Tux in a 1" x 1" (25mm x 25mm) space? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From david-FkEgs2FKm2NvBvnq28/GKQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 22:25:01 2006 From: david-FkEgs2FKm2NvBvnq28/GKQ at public.gmane.org (David Thornton) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 22:25:01 +0000 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <20060207174412.GQ2479-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E80443.9040703@quadratic.net> <43E8B116.8080206@vianet.ca> <20060207144601.GN2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E8B75D.7030505@vianet.ca> <20060207150838.GO2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E8D468.9000306@vianet.ca> <20060207174412.GQ2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <43E91E3D.9000408@quadratic.net> I'm surprised at how snappy some of the replies were. Shouldn't this place be a little bit more friendly? David -- Let one walk alone, committing no sin with few wishes, like an elephant in the forest. -- Ghost in the shell 2: Innocence -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 23:41:08 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 07 Feb 2006 18:41:08 -0500 Subject: PCI chipset -- module vs. compiled-in In-Reply-To: <20060206160640.GM2479-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060206032651.GA2908@node1.opengeometry.net> <20060206160640.GM2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 10:26:51PM -0500, William Park wrote: > > Normally, my PCI chipset is compiled in. But, for experiment, I > > tried compiling in only the "generic" options, and moved all specific > > PCI chipsets (ie. via82cxxx, hpt366) as modules. > > You do NOT want generic compiled in. That is the last one you would > want compiled in. It is a generic ide driver that runs most pci ide > controllers, but being generic does not do dma or anything else. Since > it would now get first shot at controlling all your ide ports, the > native drivers you try and load later as modules of course can't load > because generic already took control of the ports. Make them all > generic, and load the correct ones for your chipset in the initrd. > generic can be loaded last as a last resort for accessing the ide ports. And load the chipset module before any IDE modules. A default Ubuntu (5.04 Hoary Hedgehog) install gets this wrong, for example. It properly identifies the chipset but loads it after ide_cd. As a result, you can't set DMA on the CD. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 7 23:56:26 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:56:26 -0500 Subject: SSO-single sign on for Linux-Windows-Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E933AA.1090701@georgetown.wehave.net> teddy mills wrote: > I was wondering what SSO solutions TLUG members have used. > > I am leaning towards a Samba 3-PDC-LDAP-Keberos5 ? > But this wont be easy. ssh-agent ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 01:15:59 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:15:59 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <43E91E3D.9000408-FkEgs2FKm2NvBvnq28/GKQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E80443.9040703@quadratic.net> <43E8B116.8080206@vianet.ca> <20060207144601.GN2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E8B75D.7030505@vianet.ca> <20060207150838.GO2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E8D468.9000306@vianet.ca> <20060207174412.GQ2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E91E3D.9000408@quadratic.net> Message-ID: <43E9464F.8090404@vianet.ca> David Thornton wrote: > I'm surprised at how snappy some of the replies were. > > Shouldn't this place be a little bit more friendly? Friendly or not I'll keep seeking advice here. The vast majority on this list are very helpful. However, there's always going to be someone who's going to lecture people. They are knowledgeable about linux and feel others are slackers (not willing to learn the hard way). These people don't care that this stuff comes really hard to you, they don't notice that you actually /did/ take some of the advice people offered, they don't acknowledge that it is a triumph (for you) when you figure out something as modest as entering an IP address in your third mail account in Thunderbird when you've used up the only two DNS names for your ISP's mail servers, they don't know you travel 1,000 km to get to and from work five days a week, or that you spend another four hours a night serving clients in your home business, they don't realize that if you /can/ find a spare half hour a day you'd rather spend it reading a story to your daughter than reading man pages to impress strangers on tlug that are impossible to impress, and they don't know that your best friend died yesterday afternoon at 4:30. All they know is that they are clever and you are an idiot. I'll keep seeking advice here because I get good advice, I take the advice and learn from it. I run a successful home business on a small linux network and will not switch to Windows so that some cranky guy can be rid of me. Thank you tlug for all the help. I sincerely hope to be good enough at things linux someday to help others. I really get a kick out of being able to say I run a business on linux. Chris > > David > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 01:22:31 2006 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:22:31 -0500 Subject: Cheap/free CNC Machine Access... In-Reply-To: <20060206174916.53151.qmail-7EKNVtTItHqB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060206174916.53151.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060207202231.4790943b.hgibson@eol.ca> On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:49:16 -0500 (EST) Colin McGregor wrote: > I am looking for cheap or ideally free access to a CNC > (Computer Numerical Control) cutting machine for doing > metal Linux case badges. > > I am a big fan of tagging my home machines showing > that they are running Linux, to the point were a few > years ago I ordered 20 case badges from these folks: > http://www.scotgold.com/ (I then sold off the badges I > didn't need at a GTALug meeting). Since then I have > been on the look out for interesting case badges. > There used to be an Australian firm "Silicon Breeze" > that offered Linux related cast metal case badges, but > they do not appear to be in business any more. So, > when ran across the following I was interested: > > http://www.tep.org.uk/PDF/TEP_Pewter_Bulletin_No2.pdf > > Pay attention to the image in the upper left corner of > page 4. This is almost exactly the sort of thing that > would make for a great case badge, a 1" x 1" (or if > you prefer 25mm x 25mm) square with a raised image of > Tux... > > The problem here being that I need a mold, and I am > not a big carver. So, I am looking for access to a > very cheap, or if possible free CNC (Computer > Numerical Control) machine, where I figure my way > through putting together a file as to what is to be > cut and the machine cuts the mold, and then I take > things from there. > > Anyone have any ideas? Suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > > Colin McGregor Colin, I am a mechanical designer. I send things out to shops all the time. Machine shops and sheet metal shops have all gone over to CNC. Virtual mistakes are way cheaper than real ones. Any machine shops should be able to do something for you. Even the desktop CNC machines cost $10K to $20K each, so you should not anticipate a price break. Most machine shops want DXF files, which you can generate using QCAD on Linux. Another thing you can try is NOVA Product Development Services at http://www.novaproduct.com. They do rapid prototyping using Stereo Laser Lithography. Again, they will not be dirt cheap. There are plastic casting kits out there. You can always try an internet search. Unless you have artwork prepared, there is no way around artistic talent. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 03:49:47 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:49:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: nonsucking audio player Message-ID: <87wtg6v7ae.fsf@gmail.com> I am sick of xmms with its idiosyncratic DIY look and nonexistent keyboard interface. Does anyone know of a replacement for a non-GNOME, non-KDE system? I would consider a good text (ie. curses or slang) program. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 05:04:05 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:04:05 -0600 Subject: OT: CPU Fan In-Reply-To: <200602022105.13736.pkay-Wu5PbJhdqlKw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200602022105.13736.pkay@thekays.ca> Message-ID: <1e55af990602072104u7a78bf5ew3dc5f5a287d84170@mail.gmail.com> On 2/2/06, Phil Kay wrote: > To tie this just a little to the list: The fan is sounding horrible and the > BIOS on the switch shuts the device down if the CPU gets too hot. Have you tried a little oil for the fan.. to at least tide you over until you replace it? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 05:13:46 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:13:46 -0600 Subject: [ot] list maintenance: the unsubscribe link In-Reply-To: <43E49AF0.2040802-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <43E49AF0.2040802@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <1e55af990602072113r1469f647l88d0bebeafe9643@mail.gmail.com> On 2/4/06, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > The unsub link 404s, for no particularly good reason. > > An approximation of the right link would be > Paging Drew.. =p -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 05:28:25 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:28:25 -0600 Subject: Screen wallpaper In-Reply-To: <20060204135453.5004.qmail-57gzaD/7YRGB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060204135453.5004.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990602072128q604d9295id92645871df096b6@mail.gmail.com> On 2/4/06, Colin McGregor wrote: > With the Linux World Canada show coming up I went > looking for art that we could "borrow" for the show, > and I ran across the following collection of Linux > wallpaper: > > http://www.easylinuxcds.com/wallpapers/thumbs1.shtml Thanks for sharing.. this reminded me to re-try using hires wallpaper. It seems to be magically working now.. yay! =) Looking through that list, most of those are pretty bad.. =p I've only started to think about the wallpaper thing.. but the first place I'd think for linux wallpapers would be kde-look: http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=1x2x3x4x5x6x7 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 05:48:41 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 21:48:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Screen wallpaper In-Reply-To: <1e55af990602072128q604d9295id92645871df096b6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060204135453.5004.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1e55af990602072128q604d9295id92645871df096b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87oe1iv1s7.fsf@gmail.com> Sy> Looking through that list, most of those are pretty bad.. =p What does one look for in a wallpaper? I have been using a simple repeated geometric pattern for ages and I still don't understand the need for anything more. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 06:38:37 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 00:38:37 -0600 Subject: nonsucking audio player In-Reply-To: <87wtg6v7ae.fsf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <87wtg6v7ae.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990602072238m5bf5bab4vf73f853ca2abcf80@mail.gmail.com> On 2/7/06, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > I am sick of xmms with its idiosyncratic DIY look and nonexistent > keyboard interface. Does anyone know of a replacement for a non-GNOME, > non-KDE system? I would consider a good text (ie. curses or slang) > program. I've never been particularly fond of xmms either. The last time I looked was 2003, but I do have some notes from back then. X: http://www.zinf.org/ Console: http://mp3blaster.sourceforge.net/index.html http://moc.daper.net/ (site was down, but the project is probably still there) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 06:47:46 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 00:47:46 -0600 Subject: Screen wallpaper In-Reply-To: <87oe1iv1s7.fsf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20060204135453.5004.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1e55af990602072128q604d9295id92645871df096b6@mail.gmail.com> <87oe1iv1s7.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990602072247n5cacc582t87d3dd877d9974cd@mail.gmail.com> On 2/7/06, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > Sy> Looking through that list, most of those are pretty bad.. =p > > What does one look for in a wallpaper? Well I know I don't look for a badly-proportioned and mostly naked toon posing in 1/3 of the screen, with some fancy lines and "Linux R roxorz!" pasted overtop of everything. =) It'll vary from person to person.. but a good piece of art will do for me. I've got some photographs[1] I should consider using. > I have been using a simple repeated geometric pattern for ages > and I still don't understand the need for anything more. Fractals maybe? =) [1] http://jrandomhacker.info/Sy%27s_pics -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pkay-Wu5PbJhdqlKw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 09:41:29 2006 From: pkay-Wu5PbJhdqlKw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Phil Kay) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 04:41:29 -0500 Subject: OT: CPU Fan In-Reply-To: <1e55af990602072104u7a78bf5ew3dc5f5a287d84170-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200602022105.13736.pkay@thekays.ca> <1e55af990602072104u7a78bf5ew3dc5f5a287d84170@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602080441.29917.pkay@thekays.ca> On Wednesday 08 February 2006 00:04, Sy Ali wrote: > On 2/2/06, Phil Kay wrote: > > To tie this just a little to the list: The fan is sounding horrible and > > the BIOS on the switch shuts the device down if the CPU gets too hot. > > Have you tried a little oil for the fan.. to at least tide you over > until you replace it? We ordered a replacement from Symbol - very expensive for a fan. In the meantime, we just pulled the cover off and let it run like that. It's very noisy, but things are kept cool. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 11:46:20 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:46:20 +0000 Subject: nonsucking audio player In-Reply-To: <87wtg6v7ae.fsf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <87wtg6v7ae.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E9DA0C.8080703@zen.co.uk> doing a apt-cache search mp3 came up with mp3 blaster, which is a console based player, not sure if that is what you want, however there are lots listed using the above command. Paul Ian Zimmerman wrote: >I am sick of xmms with its idiosyncratic DIY look and nonexistent >keyboard interface. Does anyone know of a replacement for a non-GNOME, >non-KDE system? I would consider a good text (ie. curses or slang) >program. > > > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 13:06:00 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:06:00 -0500 Subject: Screen wallpaper In-Reply-To: <87oe1iv1s7.fsf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20060204135453.5004.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1e55af990602072128q604d9295id92645871df096b6@mail.gmail.com> <87oe1iv1s7.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E9ECB8.40303@rogers.com> Ian Zimmerman wrote: > Sy> Looking through that list, most of those are pretty bad.. =p > > What does one look for in a wallpaper? > > I have been using a simple repeated geometric pattern for ages > and I still don't understand the need for anything more. > I downloaded some nice space related pictures from National Geographic. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 14:23:41 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:23:41 -0500 Subject: Screen wallpaper In-Reply-To: <43E9ECB8.40303-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060204135453.5004.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <87oe1iv1s7.fsf@gmail.com> <43E9ECB8.40303@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200602080923.41653.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Wednesday 08 February 2006 08:06, James Knott wrote: > Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > Sy> Looking through that list, most of those are pretty bad.. =p > > > > What does one look for in a wallpaper? > > > > I have been using a simple repeated geometric pattern for ages > > and I still don't understand the need for anything more. > > I downloaded some nice space related pictures from National Geographic. > > -- For an almost unlimited selection of wallpaper go to http://browse.deviantart.com/ More than you will ever need. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 17:31:00 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:31:00 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <20060207174253.GP2479-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E80443.9040703@quadratic.net> <43E8B116.8080206@vianet.ca> <20060207144601.GN2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E8B75D.7030505@vianet.ca> <43E8C930.2080307@utoronto.ca> <20060207174253.GP2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <43EA2AD4.8040508@utoronto.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: -------------- snip -------------- Ivan wrote: >> But the real problem here is performance issues, something that a full /usr >> partition isn't going to impinge upon. > > Actually the write performance of many of the filesystems on linux are > very very bad when the filesystem gets close to full. In that case more > free space does help. > But in everyday use Linux is not going to do much writing to a /usr partition unless one runs Debian unstable and updating daily. Ivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 17:31:08 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:31:08 -0500 Subject: PCI chipset -- module vs. compiled-in In-Reply-To: References: <20060206032651.GA2908@node1.opengeometry.net> <20060206160640.GM2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <43EA2ADC.9060402@utoronto.ca> Tim Writer wrote: > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > >> On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 10:26:51PM -0500, William Park wrote: >>> Normally, my PCI chipset is compiled in. But, for experiment, I >>> tried compiling in only the "generic" options, and moved all specific >>> PCI chipsets (ie. via82cxxx, hpt366) as modules. >> You do NOT want generic compiled in. That is the last one you would >> want compiled in. It is a generic ide driver that runs most pci ide >> controllers, but being generic does not do dma or anything else. Since >> it would now get first shot at controlling all your ide ports, the >> native drivers you try and load later as modules of course can't load >> because generic already took control of the ports. Make them all >> generic, and load the correct ones for your chipset in the initrd. >> generic can be loaded last as a last resort for accessing the ide ports. > > And load the chipset module before any IDE modules. A default Ubuntu (5.04 > Hoary Hedgehog) install gets this wrong, for example. It properly identifies > the chipset but loads it after ide_cd. As a result, you can't set DMA on the > CD. > Does Ubuntu 5.10 do the same thing? Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 17:33:12 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:33:12 -0500 Subject: nonsucking audio player In-Reply-To: <87wtg6v7ae.fsf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <87wtg6v7ae.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43EA2B58.6060609@utoronto.ca> I've heard of but never tried Amarok. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anarcap-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 17:54:14 2006 From: anarcap-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (marius) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:14 -0500 Subject: Unsubscribing In-Reply-To: <43E7C35F.10308-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <43E75FAE.6028.99AA0AC@localhost> <43E7C35F.10308@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <22318ee50602080954k6f5dd93vb88bedafac6c5afb@mail.gmail.com> The unsubscribe link at the bottom of this message 404s. //mts On 2/6/06, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > In fact jfloyd misspelled request, it appears mail sent to > tlug-reqest-HcP7FbCj2GFAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org ends up on the list. > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- "Playing safe is only playing." Fortune Cookie from Simon's Wok -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 22:14:33 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:14:33 -0500 Subject: nonsucking audio player In-Reply-To: <43EA2B58.6060609-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <87wtg6v7ae.fsf@gmail.com> <43EA2B58.6060609@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <43EA6D49.506@utoronto.ca> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > I've heard of but never tried Amarok. It is a brilliant program but is a KDE program, not something Ian want to use. It can be controlled from console, but I'm not sure if it can be run outside of X. It can use SQLite, MySQL, or Postgresql to create a catalogue of music, based on ID3 tags etc. It compiles statistic on your habits and can connect up to last.fm to make playlist suggestions based on what you are currently playing. I've got it setup with a webfrontend that allows me to access all my music, categorized by album, artists, genre etc. with a small php plugin available on kde-apps.org. For a GUI music player, Amarok is all you need (to be apodeictic about it). Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 16:53:29 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:53:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Screen wallpaper In-Reply-To: <200602080923.41653.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200602080923.41653.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <20060208165329.33941.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Jason Shein wrote: > On Wednesday 08 February 2006 08:06, James Knott > wrote: > > Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > > Sy> Looking through that list, most of those are > pretty bad.. =p > > > > > > What does one look for in a wallpaper? > > > > > > I have been using a simple repeated geometric > pattern for ages > > > and I still don't understand the need for > anything more. > > > > I downloaded some nice space related pictures from > National Geographic. > > > > -- > > For an almost unlimited selection of wallpaper go to > http://browse.deviantart.com/ Interesting mix of the good, bad and ugly... My favourite places for non-Linux specific wallpaper are the following two places: http://www.digitalblasphemy.com/ http://www.visualparadox.com/ For the person who noted that he had just used one wallpaper image, I would note that I tend to change wallpapers with the season. Last summer when it was fairly toasty here in Toronto I had wallpaper that had an image with snow blowing across a roadway, a scene somewhat reminiscent of where I grew up in southern Quebec. My current wallpaper is a touch more tropical :-) . No doubt in a few months I will be looking for something a bit different again... > More than you will ever need. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 17:04:40 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:04:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Cheap/free CNC Machine Access... In-Reply-To: <20060207202231.4790943b.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060207202231.4790943b.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20060208170440.68685.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Howard Gibson wrote: > On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:49:16 -0500 (EST) > Colin McGregor wrote: > > > I am looking for cheap or ideally free access to a > CNC > > (Computer Numerical Control) cutting machine for > doing > > metal Linux case badges. > > > > I am a big fan of tagging my home machines showing > > that they are running Linux, to the point were a > few > > years ago I ordered 20 case badges from these > folks: > > http://www.scotgold.com/ (I then sold off the > badges I > > didn't need at a GTALug meeting). Since then I > have > > been on the look out for interesting case badges. > > There used to be an Australian firm "Silicon > Breeze" > > that offered Linux related cast metal case badges, > but > > they do not appear to be in business any more. So, > > when ran across the following I was interested: > > > > > http://www.tep.org.uk/PDF/TEP_Pewter_Bulletin_No2.pdf > > > > Pay attention to the image in the upper left > corner of > > page 4. This is almost exactly the sort of thing > that > > would make for a great case badge, a 1" x 1" (or > if > > you prefer 25mm x 25mm) square with a raised image > of > > Tux... > > > > The problem here being that I need a mold, and I > am > > not a big carver. So, I am looking for access to a > > very cheap, or if possible free CNC (Computer > > Numerical Control) machine, where I figure my way > > through putting together a file as to what is to > be > > cut and the machine cuts the mold, and then I take > > things from there. > > > > Anyone have any ideas? Suggestions? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Colin McGregor > > Colin, > > I am a mechanical designer. I send things out to > shops all the time. Machine shops and sheet metal > shops have all gone over to CNC. Virtual mistakes > are way cheaper than real ones. Any machine shops > should be able to do something for you. > > Even the desktop CNC machines cost $10K to $20K > each, so you should not anticipate a price break. > Most machine shops want DXF files, which you can > generate using QCAD on Linux. Well, I now have QCAD on my main home Linux box, now to work my way through learning that... > Another thing you can try is NOVA Product > Development Services at http://www.novaproduct.com. > They do rapid prototyping using Stereo Laser > Lithography. Again, they will not be dirt cheap. Pity, I had hopes that someone here might have access to such a machine and volunteer, or someone might know something I had not turned up in my research... > There are plastic casting kits out there. You > can always try an internet search. > > Unless you have artwork prepared, there is no way > around artistic talent. Well, I don't claim to be very artistic, but figuring my way through creating a CAD file that has a Tux image from say: http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ reduced down to say 21 mm ... that I think I can do... basically tell the machine if it is black mill it out to a depth of x mm... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 17:06:07 2006 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:06:07 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <43E9464F.8090404-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E80443.9040703@quadratic.net> <43E8B116.8080206@vianet.ca> <20060207144601.GN2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E8B75D.7030505@vianet.ca> <20060207150838.GO2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E8D468.9000306@vianet.ca> <20060207174412.GQ2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E91E3D.9000408@quadratic.net> <43E9464F.8090404@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <43EA24FF.20804@rogers.com> > Friendly or not I'll keep seeking advice here. The vast majority on this > list are very helpful. Good to hear! I think that for everyone one person that asks a question and gets an answer, there's 4 or 5 that wondered about the same thing and appreciated seeing an answer. So by asking questions you're helping alot more people than just yourself :) If I've ever been one of those snarky unhelpful dinks (probably), then I apologize. Especially because this list helped me out alot when I started, and still does today. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 19:13:03 2006 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:13:03 -0500 Subject: DIY ISP (was Re:So Rogers has lost me as a customer. ..) Message-ID: Which US firm, verizon? -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of CLIFFORD ILKAY Sent: February 3, 2006 5:01 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: DIY ISP (was Re: [TLUG]: So Rogers has lost me as a customer...) On February 1, 2006 15:05, Vlad Slavoaca wrote: > Well, first, DSL technology Doesn't Work Like That(tm). Not > just the distance, but also, you know, going over Bell's lines and > into their DSLAM. I've read HOW-TOs for doing this. It can be done, but the distance is the killer. > What you want is a LANx ("LAN Extension Service"). > Basically, it's a fiber line from your office to another location > of your choice, usually a datacentre, to your equipment there. If > you have upstream at that location, all the better. > It's basically a Layer 2 link managed by a third party. > Some can be pretty cheap; as in, about a grand a month for a 10Mbit > line or so. That just isn't worth it, not when a Rogers connection is a tenth of the price and it would cost $35k+ to get fiber to the building. I'm envious of a friend in the Washington, D.C. area who just got a fiber 10Mb/s connection to his home for $100/mo. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:43e3d2b4247671022113556! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 8 23:50:52 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:50:52 +0000 Subject: Cheap/free CNC Machine Access... In-Reply-To: <20060208170440.68685.qmail-W5RQQfbthkOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060208170440.68685.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43EA83DC.50207@zen.co.uk> Not sure if I can help regarding getting to a CNC kit, have you tried the university, they probably have access to that sort of equipment and perhaps even have Linux users in the computer science department who have contacts in the right places. In the meantime Scotgold are still there, they even sell the linux pin badges for .85p (last time I looked) which was cheaper than most places, as the linux emporium sells em for about ?2.00/ 2.50 or there abouts. They even do custom designs, so perhaps a pic of tux with TLUG underneath would look good, These are 50p each with a min order of 10, As they do a USA design perhaps they could do a Canada design www.scotgold.com In fact they have one in the international flag page, so even though that is round I am sure they can put something together, using the graphics they have. They also have a custom page, which has a canadian flag this has a blank dome which sounds a bit like what you are looking to make, some of the custom designs are quite good. Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 9 02:47:48 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 08 Feb 2006 21:47:48 -0500 Subject: PCI chipset -- module vs. compiled-in In-Reply-To: <43EA2ADC.9060402-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060206032651.GA2908@node1.opengeometry.net> <20060206160640.GM2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43EA2ADC.9060402@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Ivan Avery Frey writes: > Tim Writer wrote: > > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > > > > >> On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 10:26:51PM -0500, William Park wrote: > >>> Normally, my PCI chipset is compiled in. But, for experiment, I > >>> tried compiling in only the "generic" options, and moved all specific > >>> PCI chipsets (ie. via82cxxx, hpt366) as modules. > >> You do NOT want generic compiled in. That is the last one you would > >> want compiled in. It is a generic ide driver that runs most pci ide > >> controllers, but being generic does not do dma or anything else. Since > >> it would now get first shot at controlling all your ide ports, the > >> native drivers you try and load later as modules of course can't load > >> because generic already took control of the ports. Make them all > >> generic, and load the correct ones for your chipset in the initrd. > >> generic can be loaded last as a last resort for accessing the ide ports. > > And load the chipset module before any IDE modules. A default Ubuntu (5.04 > > > Hoary Hedgehog) install gets this wrong, for example. It properly identifies > > the chipset but loads it after ide_cd. As a result, you can't set DMA on the > > CD. > > > > Does Ubuntu 5.10 do the same thing? I don't know but it's easy enough to discover and fix if you're aware of the problem. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 9 02:51:21 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 08 Feb 2006 21:51:21 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <43E9464F.8090404-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E80443.9040703@quadratic.net> <43E8B116.8080206@vianet.ca> <20060207144601.GN2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E8B75D.7030505@vianet.ca> <20060207150838.GO2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E8D468.9000306@vianet.ca> <20060207174412.GQ2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E91E3D.9000408@quadratic.net> <43E9464F.8090404@vianet.ca> Message-ID: Chris Aitken writes: > David Thornton wrote: > > > I'm surprised at how snappy some of the replies were. > > > > Shouldn't this place be a little bit more friendly? > > Friendly or not I'll keep seeking advice here. The vast majority on this list > are very helpful. However, there's always going to be someone who's going to > lecture people. They are knowledgeable about linux and feel others are > slackers (not willing to learn the hard way). These people don't care that > this stuff comes really hard to you, they don't notice that you actually > /did/ take some of the advice people offered, they don't acknowledge that it > is a triumph (for you) when you figure out something as modest as entering an > IP address in your third mail account in Thunderbird when you've used up the > only two DNS names for your ISP's mail servers, they don't know you travel > 1,000 km to get to and from work five days a week, or that you spend another > four hours a night serving clients in your home business, they don't realize > that if you /can/ find a spare half hour a day you'd rather spend it reading > a story to your daughter than reading man pages to impress strangers on tlug > that are impossible to impress, and they don't know that your best friend > died yesterday afternoon at 4:30. All they know is that they are clever and > you are an idiot. Keep in mind that some of the folks offering the advice also have challenges in their life. Sometimes a seemingly snarky e-mail is just a hurried one. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 9 02:32:49 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:32:49 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: <43E361FE.2040503-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <1138923467.7060.56.camel@vger4.dyndns.org> <20060203032415.GB19045@waltdnes.org> <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3@mail.gmail.com> <43E361FE.2040503@telly.org> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10602081832n68589d3cwe2b96dc80bcf4ece@mail.gmail.com> On 2/3/06, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Have you looked at Drupal's "listhandler" module? Using it means you > don't have to choose between mail and web. > Thanks for all the feedback from the TLUGers who expanded on their reasons for preferring mailing lists as opposed to web-based forums. It gives me lots to think about - starting with the fact that I *waaay* under-utilize my email experience! I just took a stab at setting up my first email server (Exim+Dovecot+SquirrelMail, running as a Xen virtual server), and I need to investigate the capabilities of a good email client, apparently. I will check out that listhandler module in Drupal, thanks for the suggestion Evan. That link provided to the Linux Kernel Mailing list - http://lkml.org/ - appears to incorporate several good ideas raised in this thread - a mailing list that can be configured by a subscriber's email client to manage their participation as they desire, a searchable web archive for newcomers, a display online of the currently active discussions, and RSS feeds. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 9 18:14:20 2006 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:14:20 -0500 Subject: IBM notebook 56k modems Message-ID: I am considering purchasing a refurbished IBM notebook (from IBM) but need to make sure that the integrated 56k modem works in Linux! Can anyone confirm one way or the other? Or, does anyone know if IBM would allow me to throw in a live CD and dial my ISP from the notebook before purchasing? :-) The models I am considering are the T21, T22, or T23. Thanks for any help! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 9 21:29:38 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:29:38 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: <43EA2AD4.8040508-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060203203835.26574.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <43E80443.9040703@quadratic.net> <43E8B116.8080206@vianet.ca> <20060207144601.GN2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43E8B75D.7030505@vianet.ca> <43E8C930.2080307@utoronto.ca> <20060207174253.GP2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43EA2AD4.8040508@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20060209212938.GS2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 12:31:00PM -0500, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > But in everyday use Linux is not going to do much writing to a /usr > partition unless one runs Debian unstable and updating daily. That is true. An infrequently changed partition can get away with being closer to full. As long as you don't mind the occational updates you do to runs a bit slower. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 9 21:28:21 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:28:21 -0500 Subject: Cheap/free CNC Machine Access... In-Reply-To: <20060208170440.68685.qmail-W5RQQfbthkOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060207202231.4790943b.hgibson@eol.ca> <20060208170440.68685.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060209212821.GR2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 12:04:40PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > Well, I don't claim to be very artistic, but figuring > my way through creating a CAD file that has a Tux > image from say: > > http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ > > reduced down to say 21 mm ... that I think I can do... > basically tell the machine if it is black mill it out > to a depth of x mm... Just remember that these things are vector based in general, not bitmap based. So you have to make outlines of things usually. Perhaps some can deal with bitmaps, but everything I have ever seen worked with vectors in CAD. The scalable vector postscript would probably be a nice place to start. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 01:18:25 2006 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:18:25 -0500 Subject: Cheap/free CNC Machine Access... In-Reply-To: <20060209212821.GR2479-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060207202231.4790943b.hgibson@eol.ca> <20060208170440.68685.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20060209212821.GR2479@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20060209201825.1739c310.hgibson@eol.ca> On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:28:21 -0500 lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) wrote: > On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 12:04:40PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > > Well, I don't claim to be very artistic, but figuring > > my way through creating a CAD file that has a Tux > > image from say: > > > > http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ > > > > reduced down to say 21 mm ... that I think I can do... > > basically tell the machine if it is black mill it out > > to a depth of x mm... > > Just remember that these things are vector based in general, not bitmap > based. So you have to make outlines of things usually. Perhaps some > can deal with bitmaps, but everything I have ever seen worked with > vectors in CAD. > > The scalable vector postscript would probably be a nice place to start. Think about it. You are sending instructions to a milling machine. All CAD is vector graphics. Take a look around for a program called pstoedit. I use it to convert PostScript to Xfig. It converts PS and PDF to various formats including DXF. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 01:50:11 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 09 Feb 2006 20:50:11 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10602081832n68589d3cwe2b96dc80bcf4ece-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1138923467.7060.56.camel@vger4.dyndns.org> <20060203032415.GB19045@waltdnes.org> <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3@mail.gmail.com> <43E361FE.2040503@telly.org> <61e9e2b10602081832n68589d3cwe2b96dc80bcf4ece@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Daniel Armstrong writes: > On 2/3/06, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > Have you looked at Drupal's "listhandler" module? Using it means you > > don't have to choose between mail and web. > > > > Thanks for all the feedback from the TLUGers who expanded on their > reasons for preferring mailing lists as opposed to web-based forums. > It gives me lots to think about - starting with the fact that I > *waaay* under-utilize my email experience! I just took a stab at > setting up my first email server (Exim+Dovecot+SquirrelMail, running > as a Xen virtual server), and I need to investigate the capabilities > of a good email client, apparently. There's only one (good email client): Gnus. :-) -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 02:36:57 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:36:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87y80kvt13.fsf@gmail.com> Tim> There's only one (good email client): Gnus. :-) Oh please. Do you really want an angry mob to set fire to FSF headquarters? :-) -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lfeder-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 03:57:14 2006 From: lfeder-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:57:14 -0500 Subject: SSO-single sign on for Linux-Windows-Mac In-Reply-To: <428F6C2F13FE27489F9A679B6068767B079488E0-dXJK5SiL78kMZs6+X9q5QUbaZq+k677m0li6OtcxBFHby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org> References: <428F6C2F13FE27489F9A679B6068767B079488E0@RED-MSG-50.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: Well this is Linux mailing list, so we try and find and use open source solutions. I appreciate that you brought to my attention that Microsoft has a working solution. Thank you! On Thu, 2006-02-09 at 10:38 -0800, Barnaby Jeans wrote: > Teddy, > > I'm not sure where you want the master user account to exist, but with > Windows Server 2003 there are a couple of different options. > > You may want to take a look at: > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/R2/unixcomponents/default.msp > x or http://www.microsoft.com/sfu > > Let me know if you have any questions. > > Barnaby > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 04:43:20 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:43:20 -0500 Subject: open source-based software development/consulting companies Message-ID: <4386c5b20602092043s2f29ad74i3e4eaa8d6f2bc1de@mail.gmail.com> Hi there, I've been considering a job change, and looking for companies in the GTA area that do custom software development based on open source technologies. I've been trying to find a directory or other listing of companies in this area without luck; Google has been particularly unfriendly in this regard. Ideally, I'm looking for a company that is growing, yet is small enough to have an entrepreneurial spirit, and engaged in interesting projects. I'd be looking to approach them with my agency experience managing client relationships, along with knowledge of open source development. Thanks in advance! Aaron. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 05:18:22 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:18:22 -0500 Subject: IBM notebook 56k modems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200602100018.22806.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Thursday 09 February 2006 13:14, bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > I am considering purchasing a refurbished IBM notebook (from IBM) but > need to make sure that the integrated 56k modem works in Linux! Can > anyone confirm one way or the other? Or, does anyone know if IBM would > allow me to throw in a live CD and dial my ISP from the notebook > before purchasing? :-) The models I am considering are the T21, T22, > or T23. I seem to recall that those are all using winmodems and require use of the LTModem drivers. Take a look in this list and see what others have used. http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ibm.html -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 15:20:25 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:20:25 -0500 Subject: IBM notebook 56k modems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060210152025.GA29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 01:14:20PM -0500, bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > I am considering purchasing a refurbished IBM notebook (from IBM) but > need to make sure that the integrated 56k modem works in Linux! Can > anyone confirm one way or the other? Or, does anyone know if IBM would > allow me to throw in a live CD and dial my ISP from the notebook > before purchasing? :-) The models I am considering are the T21, T22, > or T23. I haven't worked with IBM laptops for a while, but a few years ago at least some of them had a minipci modem/ethernet card. The modem in the ones I worked with could be made to work in linux using the ltmodem driver (binary only chunk + kernel wrapper code). At the time I remember it only ever worked when the kernel was compiled without SMP support, so the code quality was not very impresive, but at least the modem worked. Perhaps other minipci cards don't work at all, or have different drivers that may work better or worse. It really depends which exact modem chip it has in it and multiple choices exist. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 15:21:50 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:21:50 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: References: <1138923467.7060.56.camel@vger4.dyndns.org> <20060203032415.GB19045@waltdnes.org> <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3@mail.gmail.com> <43E361FE.2040503@telly.org> <61e9e2b10602081832n68589d3cwe2b96dc80bcf4ece@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060210152150.GB29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 08:50:11PM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > There's only one (good email client): Gnus. :-) mutt+vim! We don't need any emacs around. :) Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 14:24:04 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:24:04 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10602081832n68589d3cwe2b96dc80bcf4ece-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1138923467.7060.56.camel@vger4.dyndns.org> <20060203032415.GB19045@waltdnes.org> <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3@mail.gmail.com> <43E361FE.2040503@telly.org> <61e9e2b10602081832n68589d3cwe2b96dc80bcf4ece@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43ECA204.90609@utoronto.ca> Daniel Armstrong wrote: > Thanks for all the feedback from the TLUGers who expanded on their > reasons for preferring mailing lists as opposed to web-based forums. > It gives me lots to think about - starting with the fact that I > *waaay* under-utilize my email experience! I just took a stab at > setting up my first email server (Exim+Dovecot+SquirrelMail, running > as a Xen virtual server), and I need to investigate the capabilities > of a good email client, apparently. You mean Exim+Dovecot+SquirrelMail running in a guest os in Xen? Or is there a better way of phrasing this? Please excuse my insistence on proper language here; much misunderstanding could be avoided with precise language use. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 11:42:06 2006 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:42:06 -0500 Subject: IBM notebook 56k modems In-Reply-To: ; from bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org on Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 13:14:20 -0500 References: Message-ID: <20060210114206.GC1952@localhost> On Thu Feb 09,2006 01:14:20 PM bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > I am considering purchasing a refurbished IBM notebook > (from IBM) but need to make sure that the integrated > 56k modem works in Linux! Can anyone confirm one way > or the other? [...] > The models I am considering are the T21, T22, or T23. I have a T22. I has a Lucent winmodem. The ltmodem/ltserial modules work just fine with it. Note that part of the code is binary only. I use the Gentoo Linux distribution. -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 19:23:40 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:23:40 -0500 Subject: Is this spam coming from inside my network? Message-ID: <43ECE83C.6060308@alteeve.com> Hi all, This may seem like a simple question but I am not sure enough to guess at an answer. I've been getting a lot of these messages in my server's root mailbox and I am not sure if they are coming from inside my network (ie: one of the office computers on our internal LAN or someone using one of the webmail interfaces). Can someone help me ID the source of this/these? Is this a sign of another problem? Madison [=- Sample email -=] The original message was received at Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:56:39 -0500 from srv01.nouvelocity.com [127.0.0.1] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found) (reason: 450 4.1.8 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found) (reason: 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found) (reason: 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found) (reason: 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found) (reason: 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found) (reason: 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found) (reason: 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to email-pri.cobite.com.: >>> >>> DATA <<< 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found ... Deferred: 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found <<< 554 Error: no valid recipients ... while talking to extrpfx1.extrasecurity.com.: >>> >>> DATA <<< 450 4.1.8 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found ... Deferred: 450 4.1.8 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found <<< 554 5.5.1 Error: no valid recipients ... Deferred: Connection timed out with gistrans.com. ... while talking to hknpx2.hknet.com.: >>> >>> DATA <<< 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found ... Deferred: 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found <<< 421 Access denied. Good Bye! ... while talking to hknpx3.hknet.com.: >>> >>> DATA <<< 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found ... Deferred: 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found <<< 421 Access denied. Good Bye! ... while talking to mail.bsiweb.com.: >>> >>> DATA <<< 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found ... Deferred: 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found <<< 554 Error: no valid recipients ... while talking to mail2.utfors.se.: >>> >>> DATA <<< 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found ... Deferred: 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found <<< 554 Error: no valid recipients ... while talking to mx.uol.com.br.: >>> >>> DATA <<< 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found ... Deferred: 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found <<< 554 Error: no valid recipients ... while talking to smtpin2.net-temps.com.: >>> >>> RCPT To: <<< 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found ... Deferred: 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found ... while talking to spamfix.esc.de.: >>> >>> MAIL From: SIZE=9094 <<< 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found ... Deferred: 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found Message could not be delivered for 5 days Message will be deleted from queue Reporting-MTA: dns; srv01.nouvelocity.com Arrival-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:56:39 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; allissa-pVIobmzmUoTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Action: failed Status: 4.4.7 Remote-MTA: DNS; email-pri.cobite.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:57:18 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; allex-jKy1UvXD5lVBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Action: failed Status: 4.4.7 Remote-MTA: DNS; extrpfx1.extrasecurity.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 4.1.8 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:00:29 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; allyson-WSrdACHTE7hWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Action: failed Status: 4.4.7 Remote-MTA: DNS; gistrans.com Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:02:29 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; allanwongcti-QAVr7hiOBegAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Action: failed Status: 4.4.7 Remote-MTA: DNS; hknpx3.hknet.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:11:17 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; allen_prudenyahoo.de-IEmUKwnH1qrQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Action: failed Status: 4.4.7 Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.bsiweb.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:11:20 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; allice-qZ6W2oxyGDIxHbG02/KK1g at public.gmane.org Action: failed Status: 4.4.7 Remote-MTA: DNS; mail2.utfors.se Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:13:23 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; allenrice-/1Rj0zDCqbBfyO9Q7EP/yw at public.gmane.org Action: failed Status: 4.4.7 Remote-MTA: DNS; mx.uol.com.br Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:13:49 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; allespaletti-holz-kqwajW2OMzyakBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Action: failed Status: 4.4.7 Remote-MTA: DNS; smtpin2.net-temps.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:14:39 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; allyson-GCuQOguhwe8 at public.gmane.org Action: failed Status: 4.4.7 Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:16:40 -0500 Subject: Hello From: ThePickOfTheYear847-RdzIV7WH+z2kJxZZvsxEJOqUGfbH9hYC at public.gmane.org Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:54:26 -0500 BCC: Return-Path: Received: from srv01.nouvelocity.com (srv01.nouvelocity.com [127.0.0.1]) by srv01.nouvelocity.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15Gud7q019218; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:56:39 -0500 Received: (from apache at localhost) by srv01.nouvelocity.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k15GsQ2U019214; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:54:26 -0500 Message-ID: <200602051654.k15GsQ2U019214-RdzIV7WH+z2kJxZZvsxEJOqUGfbH9hYC at public.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [=- End sample email -=] -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 20:45:41 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:45:41 -0500 Subject: Is this spam coming from inside my network? In-Reply-To: <43ECE83C.6060308-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43ECE83C.6060308@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20060210204541.GC29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 02:23:40PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > This may seem like a simple question but I am not sure enough to > guess at an answer. I've been getting a lot of these messages in my > server's root mailbox and I am not sure if they are coming from inside > my network (ie: one of the office computers on our internal LAN or > someone using one of the webmail interfaces). > > Can someone help me ID the source of this/these? Is this a sign of > another problem? > > Madison > > [=- Sample email -=] > > The original message was received at Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:56:39 -0500 > from srv01.nouvelocity.com [127.0.0.1] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > (reason: 450 : Sender address > rejected: Domain not found) > > (reason: 450 4.1.8 : Sender address > rejected: Domain not found) > > > (reason: 450 : Sender address > rejected: Domain not found) > > (reason: 450 : Sender address > rejected: Domain not found) > > (reason: 450 : Sender address > rejected: Domain not found) > > (reason: 450 : Sender address > rejected: Domain not found) > > (reason: 450 : Sender address > rejected: Domain not found) > > (reason: 450 : Sender address > rejected: Domain not found) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... while talking to email-pri.cobite.com.: > >>> >>> DATA > <<< 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain > not found > ... Deferred: 450 : > Sender address rejected: Domain not found > <<< 554 Error: no valid recipients > ... while talking to extrpfx1.extrasecurity.com.: > >>> >>> DATA > <<< 450 4.1.8 : Sender address rejected: > Domain not found > ... Deferred: 450 4.1.8 > : Sender address rejected: Domain not found > <<< 554 5.5.1 Error: no valid recipients > ... Deferred: Connection timed out with gistrans.com. > ... while talking to hknpx2.hknet.com.: > >>> >>> DATA > <<< 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain > not found > ... Deferred: 450 > : Sender address rejected: Domain not found > <<< 421 Access denied. Good Bye! > ... while talking to hknpx3.hknet.com.: > >>> >>> DATA > <<< 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain > not found > ... Deferred: 450 > : Sender address rejected: Domain not found > <<< 421 Access denied. Good Bye! > ... while talking to mail.bsiweb.com.: > >>> >>> DATA > <<< 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain > not found > ... Deferred: 450 > : Sender address rejected: Domain not found > <<< 554 Error: no valid recipients > ... while talking to mail2.utfors.se.: > >>> >>> DATA > <<< 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain > not found > ... Deferred: 450 : > Sender address rejected: Domain not found > <<< 554 Error: no valid recipients > ... while talking to mx.uol.com.br.: > >>> >>> DATA > <<< 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain > not found > ... Deferred: 450 : > Sender address rejected: Domain not found > <<< 554 Error: no valid recipients > ... while talking to smtpin2.net-temps.com.: > >>> >>> RCPT To: > <<< 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain > not found > ... Deferred: 450 > : Sender address rejected: Domain not found > ... while talking to spamfix.esc.de.: > >>> >>> MAIL From: SIZE=9094 > <<< 450 : Sender address rejected: Domain > not found > ... Deferred: 450 : Sender > address rejected: Domain not found > Message could not be delivered for 5 days > Message will be deleted from queue > > > > Reporting-MTA: dns; srv01.nouvelocity.com > Arrival-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:56:39 -0500 > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; allissa-pVIobmzmUoTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org > Action: failed > Status: 4.4.7 > Remote-MTA: DNS; email-pri.cobite.com > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 : Sender > address rejected: Domain not found > Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:57:18 -0500 > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; allex-jKy1UvXD5lVBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org > Action: failed > Status: 4.4.7 > Remote-MTA: DNS; extrpfx1.extrasecurity.com > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 4.1.8 : Sender > address rejected: Domain not found > Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:00:29 -0500 > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; allyson-WSrdACHTE7hWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org > Action: failed > Status: 4.4.7 > Remote-MTA: DNS; gistrans.com > Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:02:29 -0500 > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; allanwongcti-QAVr7hiOBegAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > Action: failed > Status: 4.4.7 > Remote-MTA: DNS; hknpx3.hknet.com > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 : Sender > address rejected: Domain not found > Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:11:17 -0500 > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; allen_prudenyahoo.de-IEmUKwnH1qrQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org > Action: failed > Status: 4.4.7 > Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.bsiweb.com > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 : Sender > address rejected: Domain not found > Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:11:20 -0500 > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; allice-qZ6W2oxyGDIxHbG02/KK1g at public.gmane.org > Action: failed > Status: 4.4.7 > Remote-MTA: DNS; mail2.utfors.se > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 : Sender > address rejected: Domain not found > Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:13:23 -0500 > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; allenrice-/1Rj0zDCqbBfyO9Q7EP/yw at public.gmane.org > Action: failed > Status: 4.4.7 > Remote-MTA: DNS; mx.uol.com.br > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 : Sender > address rejected: Domain not found > Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:13:49 -0500 > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; allespaletti-holz-kqwajW2OMzyakBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org > Action: failed > Status: 4.4.7 > Remote-MTA: DNS; smtpin2.net-temps.com > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 : Sender > address rejected: Domain not found > Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:14:39 -0500 > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; allyson-GCuQOguhwe8 at public.gmane.org > Action: failed > Status: 4.4.7 > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 : Sender > address rejected: Domain not found > Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:16:40 -0500 > > > > Subject: > Hello > From: > ThePickOfTheYear847-RdzIV7WH+z2kJxZZvsxEJOqUGfbH9hYC at public.gmane.org > Date: > Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:54:26 -0500 > BCC: > Return-Path: > > Received: > from srv01.nouvelocity.com (srv01.nouvelocity.com [127.0.0.1]) by > srv01.nouvelocity.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15Gud7q019218; Sun, > 5 Feb 2006 11:56:39 -0500 > Received: > (from apache at localhost) by srv01.nouvelocity.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) > id k15GsQ2U019214; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:54:26 -0500 > Message-ID: > <200602051654.k15GsQ2U019214-RdzIV7WH+z2kJxZZvsxEJOqUGfbH9hYC at public.gmane.org> > Content-Type: > text/html; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: > 7bit > > > > [=- End sample email -=] Hmm, it really does look like the user apache on srv01.nouvelocity.com (or at least the server thinks that is its name) is being asked to email those people and that since there probably is no DNS record for such a server the remote mail servers are denying it. Does the server in question have any code on the web server that should send email to anyone ever? Any chance you installed one of those stupid perl formmail.pl or whatever they are called things which are known to have major security problems and allow remote creation of mail essentially making an open spam relay system? Any chance you have a script on the server that is buggy and permitting someone to run code that tries to send spam? Check the web logs around the time of each email was supposedly sent to see what requests were coming in. Of course there is also the chance someone managed to hack the server and gain access to run as the apache user (which can't usually do much, but it can try to sent email). Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 21:08:02 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:08:02 -0500 Subject: Do you prefer mailing lists or web based forums? In-Reply-To: <43ECA204.90609-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1138923467.7060.56.camel@vger4.dyndns.org> <20060203032415.GB19045@waltdnes.org> <61e9e2b10602022047r2138c36dh17e657825178aad3@mail.gmail.com> <43E361FE.2040503@telly.org> <61e9e2b10602081832n68589d3cwe2b96dc80bcf4ece@mail.gmail.com> <43ECA204.90609@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10602101308oab3d9b7r1310f7523c3d811b@mail.gmail.com> On 2/10/06, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Daniel Armstrong wrote: > > > Thanks for all the feedback from the TLUGers who expanded on their > > reasons for preferring mailing lists as opposed to web-based forums. > > It gives me lots to think about - starting with the fact that I > > *waaay* under-utilize my email experience! I just took a stab at > > setting up my first email server (Exim+Dovecot+SquirrelMail, running > > as a Xen virtual server), and I need to investigate the capabilities > > of a good email client, apparently. > > You mean Exim+Dovecot+SquirrelMail running in a guest os in Xen? Or is there a > better way of phrasing this? I created a virtual machine to act as my mail server by setting up Debian Sarge as a guest OS in Xen, and I installed Exim+Dovecot+Squirrelmail. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 22:47:14 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:47:14 +0200 (IST) Subject: faulty web design: workaround ? Message-ID: Hi, I have a firefox problem on Linux. The uspto has patent drawings in tiff. When accessing them with firefox I get a missing plugin for mime text/tiff. But I do not need one, as tiff is rendered natively and/or in display. So the kludge implemented by the uspto website to accomodate a broken browser, so it can display tiff, actually breaks an unbroken browser (firefox) and prevents it from displaying content which it could display. Does anyone have a workaround ? Sample URL: http://patimg1.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=US005067932&SectionNum=2&IDKey=188CFF095B73&HomeUrl=http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1%2526Sect2=HITOFF%2526d=PALL%2526p=1%2526u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm%2526r=1%2526f=G%2526l=50%2526s1=5,067,932.WKU.%2526OS=PN/5,067,932%2526RS=PN/5,067,932 (RIM is not alone anymore, it is a about to be joined by Toyota - see Slashdot story on Prius). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 22:59:45 2006 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 10 Feb 2006 17:59:45 -0500 Subject: faulty web design: workaround ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter writes: > I have a firefox problem on Linux. The uspto has patent drawings in > tiff. When accessing them with firefox I get a missing plugin for mime > text/tiff. But I do not need one, as tiff is rendered natively and/or in > display. So the kludge implemented by the uspto website to accomodate a > broken browser, so it can display tiff, actually breaks an unbroken browser > (firefox) and prevents it from displaying content which it could > display. Does anyone have a workaround ? > > http://patimg1.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=US005067932&SectionNum=2&IDKey=188CFF095B73&HomeUrl=http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1%2526Sect2=HITOFF%2526d=PALL%2526p=1%2526u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm%2526r=1%2526f=G%2526l=50%2526s1=5,067,932.WKU.%2526OS=PN/5,067,932%2526RS=PN/5,067,932 I was able to take the: from the source, cut'n'paste the 'src' part to get: http://patimg1.uspto.gov/.DImg?Docid=US005067932&PageNum=2&IDKey=188CFF095B73&ImgFormat=tif and was able to download it. In firefox, I just clicked 'open' in the download manager and it opened fine. HTH, -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rfk-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 22:59:11 2006 From: rfk-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Robert F. Kennedy) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:59:11 -0500 Subject: Help my server is doing a DoS on google In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10602101308oab3d9b7r1310f7523c3d811b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10602101308oab3d9b7r1310f7523c3d811b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <013901c62e95$9d315aa0$6402a8c0@xp64> Hello, My RH9 updated (now) server running Apache, Postfix, Mailman (older version), Mambo(older version) (PHP & MySQL), and DNS is sending out hits to www.google.com at a crazy rate. When I do a Top command there are many Perl processes running under user Apache. I've been notified by a group that reports abuse that it is an irc bot let in through a file called xx.txt. I've been searching for solutions to this problem but so far all I've gotten is that I must update Mambo. I'll do that but is there any other way in the meantime to kill the source of these DOS attacks coming from my server? Thanks for any assistance, Robert Toronto -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 23:04:21 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:04:21 -0500 Subject: Help my server is doing a DoS on google In-Reply-To: <013901c62e95$9d315aa0$6402a8c0@xp64> References: <61e9e2b10602101308oab3d9b7r1310f7523c3d811b@mail.gmail.com> <013901c62e95$9d315aa0$6402a8c0@xp64> Message-ID: <20060210230421.GA29838@ettin> On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 05:59:11PM -0500, Robert F. Kennedy wrote: >My RH9 updated (now) server running Apache, Postfix, Mailman (older >version), Mambo(older version) (PHP & MySQL), and DNS is sending out hits to >www.google.com at a crazy rate. When I do a Top command there are many Perl >processes running under user Apache. I've been notified by a group that >reports abuse that it is an irc bot let in through a file called xx.txt. >I've been searching for solutions to this problem but so far all I've gotten >is that I must update Mambo. I'll do that but is there any other way in the >meantime to kill the source of these DOS attacks coming from my server? First, unplug it from the network. If your server has been compromised the only safe procedure is to the format the drive and reinstall the OS. -- Neil Watson | Gentoo Linux Network Administrator | Uptime 20 days http://watson-wilson.ca | 2.6.11.4 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ x 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Eric.Malenfant-xNZwKgViW5gAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 23:05:06 2006 From: Eric.Malenfant-xNZwKgViW5gAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Eric.Malenfant-xNZwKgViW5gAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:05:06 -0600 Subject: Help my server is doing a DoS on google In-Reply-To: <013901c62e95$9d315aa0$6402a8c0@xp64> References: <013901c62e95$9d315aa0$6402a8c0@xp64> Message-ID: <73FFFC8A49173C4B84C3A466E633A6BF01E9B72D@daebe102.NOE.Nokia.com> Robert, Check and disable rpcxml.php for Mambo - was a known issue (also with postnuke) You should look in /tmp for any executable files, then run 'lsof' and see which port this binary opened. Regards, Eric Malenfant, NSA, CCSE+, RHCE + RH423, CCNA -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of ext Robert F. Kennedy Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 5:59 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Help my server is doing a DoS on google Hello, My RH9 updated (now) server running Apache, Postfix, Mailman (older version), Mambo(older version) (PHP & MySQL), and DNS is sending out hits to www.google.com at a crazy rate. When I do a Top command there are many Perl processes running under user Apache. I've been notified by a group that reports abuse that it is an irc bot let in through a file called xx.txt. I've been searching for solutions to this problem but so far all I've gotten is that I must update Mambo. I'll do that but is there any other way in the meantime to kill the source of these DOS attacks coming from my server? Thanks for any assistance, Robert Toronto -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 23:35:41 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:35:41 +0200 (IST) Subject: CD-R licensing: Philips backs off ?! Message-ID: This must be the sinister joke of the century: Philips backed off on its CD-R licensing fees - down from ... gasp ... 0.05$ per disc. Meanwhile anyone buying a disk in civilized (ahem) countries pays almost five times as much on 'copytax' or whatever the h**l it's called where you are. How about examining *THAT* tax ? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/02/10/philips_ec_cd-r/ Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 23:38:37 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:38:37 +0200 (IST) Subject: Help my server is doing a DoS on google In-Reply-To: <20060210230421.GA29838@ettin> References: <61e9e2b10602101308oab3d9b7r1310f7523c3d811b@mail.gmail.com> <013901c62e95$9d315aa0$6402a8c0@xp64> <20060210230421.GA29838@ettin> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Neil Watson wrote: > On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 05:59:11PM -0500, Robert F. Kennedy wrote: >> My RH9 updated (now) server running Apache, Postfix, Mailman (older >> version), Mambo(older version) (PHP & MySQL), and DNS is sending out hits >> to >> www.google.com at a crazy rate. When I do a Top command there are many Perl >> processes running under user Apache. I've been notified by a group that >> reports abuse that it is an irc bot let in through a file called xx.txt. >> I've been searching for solutions to this problem but so far all I've >> gotten >> is that I must update Mambo. I'll do that but is there any other way in the >> meantime to kill the source of these DOS attacks coming from my server? > > First, unplug it from the network. If your server has been compromised > the only safe procedure is to the format the drive and reinstall the OS. Actually he could block outgoing packets to google in the firewall as a stopgap measure for now imho. There is no valid reason for a normal server to access google at all, barring fancy aggregated search scripts. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rfk-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 10 23:52:56 2006 From: rfk-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Robert F. Kennedy) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:52:56 -0500 Subject: Help my server is doing a DoS on google In-Reply-To: <73FFFC8A49173C4B84C3A466E633A6BF01E9B72D-FYE87fLftm9uQ36E7UOhrbahn/p+MhOh@public.gmane.org> References: <73FFFC8A49173C4B84C3A466E633A6BF01E9B72D@daebe102.NOE.Nokia.com> Message-ID: <014401c62e9d$1f0fa520$6402a8c0@xp64> Thanks for the help. I couldn't find rpcxml.php but I did find xx.txt in /tmp. I deleted it and killed the one perl process. So far it hasn't started again. Could this problem be over or do I need to take further measures? (Besides upgrading Mambo when mamboforge.net comes back online, of course). Thanks, Robert -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Eric.Malenfant-xNZwKgViW5gAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sent: February 10, 2006 6:05 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Help my server is doing a DoS on google Robert, Check and disable rpcxml.php for Mambo - was a known issue (also with postnuke) You should look in /tmp for any executable files, then run 'lsof' and see which port this binary opened. Regards, Eric Malenfant, NSA, CCSE+, RHCE + RH423, CCNA -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of ext Robert F. Kennedy Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 5:59 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Help my server is doing a DoS on google Hello, My RH9 updated (now) server running Apache, Postfix, Mailman (older version), Mambo(older version) (PHP & MySQL), and DNS is sending out hits to www.google.com at a crazy rate. When I do a Top command there are many Perl processes running under user Apache. I've been notified by a group that reports abuse that it is an irc bot let in through a file called xx.txt. I've been searching for solutions to this problem but so far all I've gotten is that I must update Mambo. I'll do that but is there any other way in the meantime to kill the source of these DOS attacks coming from my server? Thanks for any assistance, Robert Toronto -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 11 00:02:28 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 10 Feb 2006 19:02:28 -0500 Subject: Help my server is doing a DoS on google In-Reply-To: <20060210230421.GA29838@ettin> References: <61e9e2b10602101308oab3d9b7r1310f7523c3d811b@mail.gmail.com> <013901c62e95$9d315aa0$6402a8c0@xp64> <20060210230421.GA29838@ettin> Message-ID: Neil Watson writes: > On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 05:59:11PM -0500, Robert F. Kennedy wrote: > >My RH9 updated (now) server running Apache, Postfix, Mailman (older > >version), Mambo(older version) (PHP & MySQL), and DNS is sending out hits to > >www.google.com at a crazy rate. When I do a Top command there are many Perl > >processes running under user Apache. I've been notified by a group that > >reports abuse that it is an irc bot let in through a file called xx.txt. > >I've been searching for solutions to this problem but so far all I've gotten > >is that I must update Mambo. I'll do that but is there any other way in the > >meantime to kill the source of these DOS attacks coming from my server? > > First, unplug it from the network. If your server has been compromised > the only safe procedure is to the format the drive and reinstall the OS. I'd like to second this. The other solutions suggested in this thread should be considered as very short term (i.e. hours not days) stop gap measures. When you reinstall, you should take steps to harden your server -- don't just reinstall what you had before -- and keep it up to date. Otherwise, you'll be right back where you started from. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 11 00:17:34 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:17:34 +0200 (IST) Subject: faulty web design: workaround ? Message-ID: Thanks for who answered this posting before, and please post again ? I managed to zap the email by mistake before reading it. I re-attach my original posting. tia, Peter --- Hi, I have a firefox problem on Linux. The uspto has patent drawings in tiff. When accessing them with firefox I get a missing plugin for mime text/tiff. But I do not need one, as tiff is rendered natively and/or in display. So the kludge implemented by the uspto website to accomodate a broken browser, so it can display tiff, actually breaks an unbroken browser (firefox) and prevents it from displaying content which it could display. Does anyone have a workaround ? Sample URL: http://patimg1.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=US005067932&SectionNum=2&IDKey=188CFF095B73&HomeUrl=http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1%2526Sect2=HITOFF%2526d=PALL%2526p=1%2526u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm%2526r=1%2526f=G%2526l=50%2526s1=5,067,932.WKU.%2526OS=PN/5,067,932%2526RS=PN/5,067,932 (RIM is not alone anymore, it is a about to be joined by Toyota - see Slashdot story on Prius). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 11 01:56:27 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:56:27 -0500 Subject: IBM notebook 56k modems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43ED444B.7020506@rogers.com> bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > I am considering purchasing a refurbished IBM notebook (from IBM) but > need to make sure that the integrated 56k modem works in Linux! Can > anyone confirm one way or the other? Or, does anyone know if IBM would > allow me to throw in a live CD and dial my ISP from the notebook > before purchasing? :-) The models I am considering are the T21, T22, > or T23. I have an R31 and the modem works fine in SUSE. I haven't tried it from a live CD though. Also, a few days ago, I booted a T21 with the linux system rescue CD to recover data from a friend's crashed hard drive (XP). It worked well. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 11 03:29:47 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:29:47 -0500 Subject: Help my server is doing a DoS on google In-Reply-To: <014401c62e9d$1f0fa520$6402a8c0@xp64> References: <014401c62e9d$1f0fa520$6402a8c0@xp64> Message-ID: <200602102229.48205.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Friday 10 February 2006 18:52, Robert F. Kennedy wrote: > Thanks for the help. > > I couldn't find rpcxml.php but I did find xx.txt in /tmp. I deleted it and > killed the one perl process. So far it hasn't started again. Could this > problem be over or do I need to take further measures? (Besides upgrading > Mambo when mamboforge.net comes back online, of course). > > Thanks, > Robert My suggestions: Running rkhunter would be a good place to start. http://www.rootkit.nl/ If anything is found to be compromised, repair using bootable media. Afterwards, backup your Mambo installation using bigAPE Backup. Save it to another PC. http://www.bigape.co.uk Nuke & Reinstall the OS. Sorry. This is the only way to be entirely sure you are working with a secure system. Reinstall Mambo, & install bigAPE Backup. Recover from your backup file. Move on. Live & learn. On a last note, consider migrating to joomla! http://www.joomla.org/ In case you did not know, it is maintained by the crew who coded Mambo. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 11 15:03:40 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:03:40 -0500 Subject: faulty web design: workaround ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43EDFCCC.9040001@utoronto.ca> G. Matthew Rice wrote: > I was able to take the: > > src="/.DImg?Docid=US005067932&PageNum=2&IDKey=188CFF095B73&ImgFormat=tif" > width="570" height="840" type=image/tiff> > > from the source, cut'n'paste the 'src' part to get: > > http://patimg1.uspto.gov/.DImg?Docid=US005067932&PageNum=2&IDKey=188CFF095B73&ImgFormat=tif > > and was able to download it. In firefox, I just clicked 'open' in the > download manager and it opened fine. > > HTH, -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 11 15:07:47 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:07:47 -0500 Subject: IBM notebook 56k modems In-Reply-To: <43ED444B.7020506-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <43ED444B.7020506@rogers.com> Message-ID: <43EDFDC3.4000302@utoronto.ca> James Knott wrote: > I have an R31 and the modem works fine in SUSE. I haven't tried it from > a live CD though. Also, a few days ago, I booted a T21 with the linux > system rescue CD to recover data from a friend's crashed hard drive > (XP). It worked well. Was this Linux system rescue CD a custom one or made by a third party and did it recognize the ntfs partitions or did you have to manually mount them? Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 11 16:48:35 2006 From: phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org (phil) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:48:35 -0500 Subject: [OT]Hardware Sanity Check Message-ID: <3DF5EDE3-9B1E-11DA-BD53-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> I know only enough about hardware that swapping boards and drives doesn't scare me...much. So, I'd like to run a scenario past the group for comment. I bought a new computer yesterday, took it home, connected the keyboard, mouse and CRT, and turned it on. Instant white smoke and smell of burning plastic! It's now back at the dealer. According to them, "something" -- maybe a bad connector -- went wrong with an audio wire that hooks up to a speaker that's built into the case (for system beeps and such). Apparently, they now need to move all the components into a new case...we'll see how that goes. Two things strike me as odd: after 30 minutes of running time, it immediately died when next turned on (well, OK, maybe that's not so odd); but, is there really supposed to be enough *juice* running to a little internal speaker that could fry a foot or so of insulation that dramatically? ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 11 17:31:21 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:31:21 +0200 (IST) Subject: faulty web design: workaround ? In-Reply-To: <43EDFCCC.9040001-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <43EDFCCC.9040001@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Feb 2006, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > G. Matthew Rice wrote: > >> I was able to take the: >> >> > src="/.DImg?Docid=US005067932&PageNum=2&IDKey=188CFF095B73&ImgFormat=tif" >> width="570" height="840" type=image/tiff> >> >> from the source, cut'n'paste the 'src' part to get: >> >> http://patimg1.uspto.gov/.DImg?Docid=US005067932&PageNum=2&IDKey=188CFF095B73&ImgFormat=tif >> >> and was able to download it. In firefox, I just clicked 'open' in the >> download manager and it opened fine. Thanks for reposting that. Yes, I can read the source too, but is there a workaround that works around the workaround around the broken broswer ? Someting like Hubinette's plugger.so, but a version that does not crash ff ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 11 17:43:15 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:43:15 +0200 (IST) Subject: [OT]Hardware Sanity Check In-Reply-To: <3DF5EDE3-9B1E-11DA-BD53-00050249A5C8-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg@public.gmane.org> References: <3DF5EDE3-9B1E-11DA-BD53-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Feb 2006, phil wrote: > I know only enough about hardware that swapping boards and drives doesn't > scare me...much. So, I'd like to run a scenario past the group for comment. > > I bought a new computer yesterday, took it home, connected the keyboard, > mouse and CRT, and turned it on. Instant white smoke and smell of burning > plastic! It's now back at the dealer. According to them, "something" -- > maybe a bad connector -- went wrong with an audio wire that hooks up to a > speaker that's built into the case (for system beeps and such). Apparently, > they now need to move all the components into a new case...we'll see how that > goes. > > Two things strike me as odd: after 30 minutes of running time, it immediately > died when next turned on (well, OK, maybe that's not so odd); but, is there > really supposed to be enough *juice* running to a little internal speaker > that could fry a foot or so of insulation that dramatically? If one of the loose power connectors got to touch something or other then yes, maybe. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 11 18:01:23 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:01:23 -0500 Subject: IBM notebook 56k modems In-Reply-To: <43EDFDC3.4000302-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <43ED444B.7020506@rogers.com> <43EDFDC3.4000302@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <43EE2673.3050407@rogers.com> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > James Knott wrote: > >> I have an R31 and the modem works fine in SUSE. I haven't tried it from >> a live CD though. Also, a few days ago, I booted a T21 with the linux >> system rescue CD to recover data from a friend's crashed hard drive >> (XP). It worked well. > > Was this Linux system rescue CD a custom one or made by a third party > and did it recognize the ntfs partitions or did you have to manually > mount them? http://www.sysresccd.org/ I had to mount the NTFS partition manually, but that's easy enough to do. I then used cp, to copy all the data to a USB connected hard drive, from which I copied the data back onto the new hard drive. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From stewsinc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 11 18:08:41 2006 From: stewsinc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Stewart Sinclair) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:08:41 -0500 Subject: [OT]Hardware Sanity Check In-Reply-To: <3DF5EDE3-9B1E-11DA-BD53-00050249A5C8-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg@public.gmane.org> References: <3DF5EDE3-9B1E-11DA-BD53-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> Message-ID: <43EE2829.6090507@eol.ca> phil wrote: > I know only enough about hardware that swapping boards and drives > doesn't scare me...much. So, I'd like to run a scenario past the > group for comment. > > I bought a new computer yesterday, took it home, connected the > keyboard, mouse and CRT, and turned it on. Instant white smoke and > smell of burning plastic! It's now back at the dealer. According to > them, "something" -- maybe a bad connector -- went wrong with an audio > wire that hooks up to a speaker that's built into the case (for system > beeps and such). Apparently, they now need to move all the components > into a new case...we'll see how that goes. > > Two things strike me as odd: after 30 minutes of running time, it > immediately died when next turned on (well, OK, maybe that's not so > odd); but, is there really supposed to be enough *juice* running to a > little internal speaker that could fry a foot or so of insulation that > dramatically? > ============insert=================== *juice* or current (flow of electric charge) is a function of voltage (eletromotive force or electrical pressure) and electrical resistance. If the resistance of some circuit is almost 0 even the 5V of the system board will push enough current through the wire to "cook" the insulation. Some wire probably touched the frame and grounded itself. It's usually called a "short" (short circuit to ground) by-passing all the resistance of the electronic components in what should have been it's normal circuit. In other words the tech that put it together f_cked up. > ........................ > Phillip Mills > Multi-platform software development > (416) 224-0714 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 11 18:31:51 2006 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:31:51 -0500 Subject: hardware sanity check Message-ID: <1139682711.8849.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Two things strike me as odd: after 30 minutes of running time, it > immediately died when next turned on (well, OK, maybe that's not so > odd); but, is there really supposed to be enough *juice* running to a > little internal speaker that could fry a foot or so of insulation > that > dramatically? > More often than not a faulty component will fail almost immediately rather than well into its service life. Its one of the reasons that its important to 'burn' in a system before its put into service. There should not be enough power running to the internal speaker that would cause an arc in the event of failure. If it did actually happen in your case (rather than them using this as an excuse to cover up a more serious issue), a more likely scenario would be a mis-assembled / inferior quality power supply. Having some unwanted experience with major power supply failures, I suggest that you request your money back and shop elsewhere, or that they replace the computer outright rather than just giving you a new case. HTH John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 11 18:43:56 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:43:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: hardware sanity check In-Reply-To: <1139682711.8849.14.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1139682711.8849.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <50281.207.188.65.194.1139683436.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Having some unwanted experience with > major power supply failures, I suggest that you request your money back > and shop elsewhere, or that they replace the computer outright rather > than just giving you a new case. > I second this advice. If the power supply failed, it may have damaged the mobo and heaven-only-knows what else. I'd ask for (ie, insist on) a completely new computer. If there has been a dead short across the power supply, it's been very stressed. It may still be OK, but it may be damaged in a way that will shorten its life. As well, high quality power supply is a good investment. They generally have to be purchased separately, the ones that come as part of a case are a crap shoot - as in it may be OK, it may be, well, crap. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Professor Emeritus, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Ryerson University 416-465-3007 www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 11 18:55:27 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:55:27 -0500 Subject: Screen wallpaper In-Reply-To: <20060208165329.33941.qmail-JoSsSUNfUciB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <200602080923.41653.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <20060208165329.33941.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060211185527.GA12736@waltdnes.org> On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 11:53:29AM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote > My favourite places for non-Linux specific wallpaper > are the following two places: > > http://www.digitalblasphemy.com/ > http://www.visualparadox.com/ Raytrace art can be totally surreallistic and mind-boggling. A "webring" of raytrace webpages can be found at... http://b.webring.com/hub?ring=povrayring A couple of examples of raytracing are at... http://www.geocities.com/Area51/3450/gallery/woodnotb.html http://shoffsta.linuxside.org/Artwork/ -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 12 18:19:22 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:19:22 -0600 Subject: Screen wallpaper In-Reply-To: <20060211185527.GA12736-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <200602080923.41653.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <20060208165329.33941.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20060211185527.GA12736@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <1e55af990602121019s1096f3e4q109c8369baa29bde@mail.gmail.com> I know we're drifting off the original topic, but I'm going to spend some time going through some of the sites listed and wanted to add another onto the pile. For wallpapers of girlies, there is http://www.skins.be/ .. which I'll mention not just for the ladies, but because they have some spectacularly high-resolution pictures which seem to be hard to find (i.e. 1920x1200). But again, I'll go looking through those other links.. I hope other sites have some nice high resolution art. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 13:32:19 2006 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:32:19 -0500 Subject: SSO-single sign on for Linux-Windows-Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/7/06, teddy mills wrote: > > I was wondering what SSO solutions TLUG members have used. > > I am leaning towards a Samba 3-PDC-LDAP-Keberos5 ? > But this wont be easy. I know that you can enable AFS logins for Linux; I imagine it's simply a matter of authentication modules for OSX and Windows (but don't know if they exist; AFS comes with PAM modules for Linux). -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 15:56:21 2006 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:56:21 -0500 Subject: SSO-single sign on for Linux-Windows-Mac Message-ID: <768631270602130756i728e101djd780dae90b69f2b3@mail.gmail.com> pgina is a replacement for the standard gina that yuo can use for SSO on windows.. so you'd setup an ldap server, pam_ldap or nss_ldap (dont need both) for unixen (OSX) and pgina for windows. http://pgina.xpasystems.com/ but i have used allot of different solutions and the best one is SFU 3.5which basically turns AD into an NIS server. OpenLDAP, Kerberos and nss_ldap, sasl.. you gotta have lotsa time to play around with this to get it to work This may help: http://www.bayour.com/LDAPv3-HOWTO.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 16:41:02 2006 From: phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org (phil) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:41:02 -0500 Subject: Audio devices Message-ID: <84FFCFB0-9CAF-11DA-B815-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> I seem to have lost most of a weekend to the exploration of Linux distributions for AMD 64. :-) First impressions have me leaning toward SuSE 10 as the best combination of usability/simplicity and flexibility. (I'm using Debian on my older system, but the Debian AMD 64 web site sounded like more of an adventure than I was prepared for...but, who knows, I've got a spare partition for experimenting.) The "serious" stuff that I wanted the new box for all seems to be going ahead OK, like database, development tools, general desktop utilities, server applications.... Sound is hanging me up some, however. I had hoped to migrate my music toys over to this system as well and use such things as Rosegarden and Arbour. To support that, I was intending to attach a USB "soundcard" that I've been using on a Macintosh. It's a Tascam US-122 with line in/out, MIDI, and connections for studio microphones. There is also a soundcard on the motherboard (ASUS A8N-E with Realtek AC97). If I don't configure the USB box, audio works OK. (Once I discovered that the default KDE CD player, KsCD, doesn't produce any sound, that is! Kaffeine is fine.) If I try to configure the US-122, I get no output. What I see is that the device is on the USB hardware list as "Tascam Unclassified Device". The correct driver seems to be associated with it: snd-usb-usx2y, which is also aliased to snd-card-0 according to a modprobe sound configuration file I tripped over. I discovered a site that discussed usx2yloader and firmware mods and, as best as I can understand it, that's all in place. This is all happening with ALSA selected as the sound system. (Of course, if I boot my Windows XP partition, the Tascam just works...sigh.) Any suggestions of other places I should be looking? ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 17:03:58 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:03:58 -0500 Subject: Audio devices In-Reply-To: <84FFCFB0-9CAF-11DA-B815-00050249A5C8-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg@public.gmane.org> References: <84FFCFB0-9CAF-11DA-B815-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> Message-ID: <200602131203.58724.interlug@weait.net> On Monday 13 February 2006 11:41, phil wrote: > I seem to have lost most of a weekend to the exploration of Linux > distributions for AMD 64. I have no experience with that device, but Ubuntu AMD64 was quick and easy on an ASUS K8N-E, and finds USB / firewire devices when I plug them in. Might be worth a peek. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 17:14:16 2006 From: phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org (phil) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:14:16 -0500 Subject: Audio devices In-Reply-To: <200602131203.58724.interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <84FFCFB0-9CAF-11DA-B815-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> <200602131203.58724.interlug@weait.net> Message-ID: <294633CF-9CB4-11DA-B815-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> On Feb 13, 2006, at 12:03 PM, interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: > I have no experience with that device, but Ubuntu AMD64 was quick and > easy on > an ASUS K8N-E, and finds USB / firewire devices when I plug them in. Thanks. I tried Ubuntu with about the same result. They both find the device and, as far as I can tell, think they're using it, but produce no sound. I replaced that with FC4, partly to see if it did better and partly just to play with the RPM system, but _it_ doesn't recognize the USB audio at all. ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 17:17:05 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:17:05 +0200 (IST) Subject: packages.debian.org down ? Message-ID: What alternatives are there ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 17:25:12 2006 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:25:12 -0500 Subject: Audio devices In-Reply-To: <84FFCFB0-9CAF-11DA-B815-00050249A5C8-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg@public.gmane.org> References: <84FFCFB0-9CAF-11DA-B815-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> Message-ID: On 2/13/06, phil wrote: > I seem to have lost most of a weekend to the exploration of Linux > distributions for AMD 64. :-) > > Phillip Mills Philip, You might want to try the latest Kanotix AMD64-version distro. It's a live CD that easily can be installed as a full Debian-based system (using Debian SID repositories). I've been using the 32-bit version for over a month and really like it (coming from Fedora and Ubuntu previously). www.kanotix.com Running from the live CD, You can create a union-image file on your hardrive (or a USB stick) and re-boot with the union-rw (http://wiki.kanotix.net/CoMa.php?CoMa=Union_File_system) cheatcode which would enable you to install things using apt-get if you need to. This should allow you to experiment quite a bit with getting your hardware set up to find out if it is possible. Then if you like, just install it somewhere and repeat any of the setup steps. I hope that helps! Good luck. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bzgirl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 17:27:10 2006 From: bzgirl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (bzgirl) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:27:10 -0500 Subject: packages.debian.org down ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: from the pdo website: >We have also set up temporary replacement until the new server arrives, but we can't guarantee for >its performance: http://pdo.debian.net/ >You can use apt-file, apt-cache search and findpkg (--> Google) as a temporary replacement. -- -----Angelina Carlton----- orchid on irc.freenode.net bzgirl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org web:bzgirl.bakadigital.com -------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 17:44:27 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:44:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Screen wallpaper summary. Message-ID: <20060213174427.29251.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ok, what follows is a summary of the screen wallpaper sites that have been noted over the past little bit here on the mailing list. To start with here are two sites that carry a lot of Linux/computer related wallpaper http://www.easylinuxcds.com/wallpapers/thumbs1.shtml http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=1x2x3x4x5x6x7 Of the two the easylinuxcds.com site has a fair number of questionable taste images, though I did get a real laugh out of the image of the SCO corporate logo on a toilet paper roll. The very vast majority of the kde-look.org images are fit for polite company. For 3D computer generated images, that are not Linux specific here are two interesting spots: http://www.digitalblasphemy.com/ http://www.visualparadox.com/ For 3D ray traced images: http://b.webring.com/hub?ring=povrayring http://www.geocities.com/Area51/3450/gallery/index.html http://shoffsta.linuxside.org/Artwork/ The following site asks people to submit their artwork, so there is a mix of the good bad and ugly. Still if you go by the popularity rating for the images you will see a strong emphasis on science fiction/fantasy that is fit for a general audience: http://browse.deviantart.com/ The following four sites seem to be owned/operated by the same firm, each site having a similar layout and links to all the others. All four sites could be summed up as eye candy for guys. A good thing about all of these four sites is that the do offer many images in very high resolution, such as 1920 x 1200 . The skins.be site being largely images of women in bathing suits. http://www.skins.be/index.php The allmoviewalls.com site is a collection of images from various major motion pictures. The movie mix is a reflection of what you would find at a typical theater, so porn films have a very minor representation. Action films and horror movies seem to have a respectable but hardly overwhelming presence. http://www.allmoviewalls.com/ desktopmachine.com has images of various cars and trucks: http://www.desktopmachine.com/ Bikewalls.com is images of motorcycles. Unlike desktopmachine.com there are some people very visible in the bikewalls.com site, but all of them seem to be wearing leathers and helmets. The ?Naked bike? category refers to images of bikes without any people visible. http://www.bikewalls.com/ Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 17:47:51 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:47:51 -0500 Subject: Screen wallpaper In-Reply-To: <1e55af990602121019s1096f3e4q109c8369baa29bde-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200602080923.41653.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <20060208165329.33941.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20060211185527.GA12736@waltdnes.org> <1e55af990602121019s1096f3e4q109c8369baa29bde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060213174751.GD29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 12:19:22PM -0600, Sy Ali wrote: > I know we're drifting off the original topic, but I'm going to spend > some time going through some of the sites listed and wanted to add > another onto the pile. > > For wallpapers of girlies, there is http://www.skins.be/ .. which I'll > mention not just for the ladies, but because they have some > spectacularly high-resolution pictures which seem to be hard to find > (i.e. 1920x1200). > > But again, I'll go looking through those other links.. I hope other > sites have some nice high resolution art. digitalplasphemy also has high resolution, including multi monitor ones. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 17:50:44 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:50:44 +0200 (IST) Subject: packages.debian.org down ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, bzgirl wrote: > from the pdo website: > >> We have also set up temporary replacement until the new server > arrives, but we can't guarantee for >its performance: > http://pdo.debian.net/ >> You can use apt-file, apt-cache search and findpkg (--> Google) as a > temporary replacement. Thanks. Actually I went directly to the ftp mirros in Europe. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 18:01:58 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:01:58 -0500 Subject: Audio devices In-Reply-To: <84FFCFB0-9CAF-11DA-B815-00050249A5C8-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg@public.gmane.org> References: <84FFCFB0-9CAF-11DA-B815-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> Message-ID: <20060213180158.GE29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 11:41:02AM -0500, phil wrote: > I seem to have lost most of a weekend to the exploration of Linux > distributions for AMD 64. :-) First impressions have me leaning > toward SuSE 10 as the best combination of usability/simplicity and > flexibility. (I'm using Debian on my older system, but the Debian AMD > 64 web site sounded like more of an adventure than I was prepared > for...but, who knows, I've got a spare partition for experimenting.) > The "serious" stuff that I wanted the new box for all seems to be going > ahead OK, like database, development tools, general desktop utilities, > server applications.... The only reason debian amd64 is not official yet, is that the ftp archive is going through some major restructuring and they don't want to add an architecture to it while doing the reorganization. In the future mirrors will generally only carry some architectures rather than everything the way most of them currently do. It is simply getting to be much too big. > Sound is hanging me up some, however. I had hoped to migrate my music > toys over to this system as well and use such things as Rosegarden and > Arbour. To support that, I was intending to attach a USB "soundcard" > that I've been using on a Macintosh. It's a Tascam US-122 with line > in/out, MIDI, and connections for studio microphones. There is also a > soundcard on the motherboard (ASUS A8N-E with Realtek AC97). > > If I don't configure the USB box, audio works OK. (Once I discovered > that the default KDE CD player, KsCD, doesn't produce any sound, that > is! Kaffeine is fine.) If I try to configure the US-122, I get no > output. What I see is that the device is on the USB hardware list as > "Tascam Unclassified Device". The correct driver seems to be > associated with it: snd-usb-usx2y, which is also aliased to snd-card-0 > according to a modprobe sound configuration file I tripped over. I > discovered a site that discussed usx2yloader and firmware mods and, as > best as I can understand it, that's all in place. This is all > happening with ALSA selected as the sound system. Does that usb sound device work with any linux system you have tried it on? If yes, then which driver and which kernel version was that with? Just from a quick search it appears that the driver in 2.6.8 was very very broken for that device. Maybe a newer kernel with a newer alsa has the full fix. I don't see any complaints past late 2004/early 2005 on the alsa developer list. Of course 2.6.8 was out by then and is what debian shipped in Sarge. Debian has newer kernels in testing and sid however which have newer alsa versions. There have been some issues of amd64 finding some 64bit bugs on existing code, including in kernel drivers. > (Of course, if I boot my Windows XP partition, the Tascam just > works...sigh.) Well sure, they probably gave you a driver for it. > Any suggestions of other places I should be looking? Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 18:02:33 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:02:33 -0500 Subject: Audio devices In-Reply-To: <294633CF-9CB4-11DA-B815-00050249A5C8-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg@public.gmane.org> References: <84FFCFB0-9CAF-11DA-B815-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> <200602131203.58724.interlug@weait.net> <294633CF-9CB4-11DA-B815-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> Message-ID: <20060213180233.GF29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 12:14:16PM -0500, phil wrote: > Thanks. I tried Ubuntu with about the same result. They both find the > device and, as far as I can tell, think they're using it, but produce > no sound. I replaced that with FC4, partly to see if it did better and > partly just to play with the RPM system, but _it_ doesn't recognize the > USB audio at all. Remember to unmute and turn up volume with alsamixer. Alsa tends to default to all muted. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 19:04:06 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:04:06 -0500 Subject: Been blacklisted >_< Was: Re:Is this spam coming from inside my network? In-Reply-To: <20060210204541.GC29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <43ECE83C.6060308@alteeve.com> <20060210204541.GC29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <43F0D826.5010003@alteeve.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Hmm, it really does look like the user apache on srv01.nouvelocity.com > (or at least the server thinks that is its name) is being asked to email > those people and that since there probably is no DNS record for such a > server the remote mail servers are denying it. > > Does the server in question have any code on the web server that should > send email to anyone ever? > > Any chance you installed one of those stupid perl formmail.pl or whatever > they are called things which are known to have major security problems > and allow remote creation of mail essentially making an open spam > relay system? > > Any chance you have a script on the server that is buggy and permitting > someone to run code that tries to send spam? > > Check the web logs around the time of each email was supposedly sent to > see what requests were coming in. > > Of course there is also the chance someone managed to hack the server > and gain access to run as the apache user (which can't usually do much, > but it can try to sent email). > > Len Sorensen Hi, I have RoundCube and Squirrelmail setup for a couple of the domains on the server but other than that it's a pretty stock Apache2/Fedora Core 3 setup. I checked for the 'formmail.pl' script but it isn't there. As the title says, the server has now been blacklisted which is a pretty good (??) sign that I'm either being used as an open-relay or that my machines has been, to some degree, hacked. Needless to say I am pretty frustrated/upset/pissed off at the moment! How could I check to see if I am an open relay? I've tried sending mail through that server (mail.tle-bu.org is an actual server on it) and I didn't authenticate from home (good thing). That was a pretty simple test though; do you have any more advanced things I could try in order to figure out what happened/is happening? Thanks! A desperate Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 20:02:51 2006 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 13 Feb 2006 15:02:51 -0500 Subject: Been blacklisted >_< Was: Re:Is this spam coming from inside my network? In-Reply-To: <43F0D826.5010003-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43ECE83C.6060308@alteeve.com> <20060210204541.GC29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43F0D826.5010003@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Madison Kelly writes: > How could I check to see if I am an open relay? I've tried sending mail > through that server (mail.tle-bu.org is an actual server on it) and I > didn't authenticate from home (good thing). That was a pretty simple test > though; do you have any more advanced things I could try in order to > figure out what happened/is happening? Try this: telnet ipaddr smtp ehlo somedomain.com mail from: rcpt to: data Subject: some subject From: some address To: some other address test . quit You can fiddle with somedomain.com, some address and some other address. A really good open relay doesn't even care if the mail from/ehlo commands are even for a local domain. As well, the mail from/rcpt to addresses don't have to match the ones in the data. I tried to do this for you but I get this: matt at brando:~$ telnet mail.tlu-bu.org smtp telnet: could not resolve mail.tlu-bu.org/smtp: Name or service not known HTH, -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 19:52:40 2006 From: phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org (phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:52:40 -0000 Subject: Audio devices In-Reply-To: <20060213180158.GE29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060213180158.GE29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200602131954.k1DJsAbf016280@web184.megawebservers.com> Lennart Sorensen said: > Does that usb sound device work with any linux system you have tried it > on? No, but I'd only used in on Macs until this past weekend. > Just from a quick search it appears that the driver in 2.6.8 was very > very broken for that device. Maybe a newer kernel with a newer alsa has > the full fix. I don't see any complaints past late 2004/early 2005 on > the alsa developer list. This SuSE system reports ALSA 1.0.9a and a kernel with the string "2.6.13-15.8" in the file name. :-) > > (Of course, if I boot my Windows XP partition, the Tascam just > > works...sigh.) > > Well sure, they probably gave you a driver for it. Of course, you're right, but the "sigh" was more about the existence of usability barriers rather than assigning responsibility. Regarding your other comment: alsamixer reports no mixer interface, which is reasonable, since I think the box is entirely hardware controled for those functions. On the other hand, 'aplay -l' doesn't list the device at all. This leads me to think that the problem may be that the OS knows about it, but ALSA needs more information...not sure what or where, but it's a possible path. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 20:23:07 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:23:07 -0500 Subject: Been blacklisted >_< Was: Re:Is this spam coming from inside my network? In-Reply-To: References: <43ECE83C.6060308@alteeve.com> <20060210204541.GC29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43F0D826.5010003@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <43F0EAAB.2070309@alteeve.com> G. Matthew Rice wrote: > Madison Kelly writes: >> How could I check to see if I am an open relay? I've tried sending mail >> through that server (mail.tle-bu.org is an actual server on it) and I >> didn't authenticate from home (good thing). That was a pretty simple test >> though; do you have any more advanced things I could try in order to >> figure out what happened/is happening? > > Try this: > > telnet ipaddr smtp > ehlo somedomain.com > mail from: > rcpt to: > data > Subject: some subject > From: some address > To: some other address > > test > . > quit > > You can fiddle with somedomain.com, some address and some other address. A > really good open relay doesn't even care if the mail from/ehlo commands are > even for a local domain. As well, the mail from/rcpt to addresses don't have > to match the ones in the data. > > I tried to do this for you but I get this: > > matt at brando:~$ telnet mail.tlu-bu.org smtp > telnet: could not resolve mail.tlu-bu.org/smtp: Name or service not known > > HTH, Damn, typo... 'mail.tle-bu.org' (not 'tlu-bu')... I'll have to try that tonight because I am at the office which is allowed to relay mail. Thanks for the reply! Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 20:31:50 2006 From: behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:31:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Been blacklisted >_< Was: Re:Is this spam coming from inside my network? In-Reply-To: <43F0EAAB.2070309-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43ECE83C.6060308@alteeve.com> <20060210204541.GC29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43F0D826.5010003@alteeve.com> <43F0EAAB.2070309@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Try this: > > > > telnet ipaddr smtp > > ehlo somedomain.com ^^^^ Also, this should read 'helo'. behdad > > mail from: > > rcpt to: > > data > > Subject: some subject > > From: some address > > To: some other address > > > > test > > . > > quit > > > > You can fiddle with somedomain.com, some address and some other address. A > > really good open relay doesn't even care if the mail from/ehlo commands are > > even for a local domain. As well, the mail from/rcpt to addresses don't have > > to match the ones in the data. > > > > I tried to do this for you but I get this: > > > > matt at brando:~$ telnet mail.tlu-bu.org smtp > > telnet: could not resolve mail.tlu-bu.org/smtp: Name or service not known > > > > HTH, > > Damn, typo... > > 'mail.tle-bu.org' (not 'tlu-bu')... > > I'll have to try that tonight because I am at the office which is > allowed to relay mail. Thanks for the reply! > > Madison > > --behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 20:37:01 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:37:01 -0500 Subject: Been blacklisted >_< Was: Re:Is this spam coming from inside my network? In-Reply-To: <43F0D826.5010003-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43ECE83C.6060308@alteeve.com> <20060210204541.GC29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43F0D826.5010003@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200602131537.02214.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Monday 13 February 2006 14:04, Madison Kelly wrote: > How could I check to see if I am an open relay? These will work. http://members.iinet.net.au/~remmie/relay/ http://www.globedom.com/cgi-bin/relay -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 20:39:52 2006 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 13 Feb 2006 15:39:52 -0500 Subject: Been blacklisted >_< Was: Re:Is this spam coming from inside my network? In-Reply-To: References: <43ECE83C.6060308@alteeve.com> <20060210204541.GC29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43F0D826.5010003@alteeve.com> <43F0EAAB.2070309@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Behdad Esfahbod writes: > On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Madison Kelly wrote: > > > telnet ipaddr smtp > > > ehlo somedomain.com > > Also, this should read 'helo'. Doesn't have to be. There is a difference between the two. helo is 'old school' ;) starnix at www:~$ telnet mail.linux.ca smtp Trying 130.113.54.214... Connected to harwood.rhpcs.McMaster.CA. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mail.linux.ca ESMTP ehlo starnix.com 250-mail.linux.ca 250-PIPELINING 250-SIZE 10240000 250-ETRN 250 8BITMIME starnix at www:~$ telnet mail.linux.ca smtp Trying 130.113.54.214... Connected to harwood.rhpcs.McMaster.CA. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mail.linux.ca ESMTP helo starnix.com 250 mail.linux.ca Regards, -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 21:43:36 2006 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:43:36 -0500 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: It's Valentine day. So bring your girlfriend out for TLUG. In-Reply-To: <1139865981.7545.7.camel-ccvjzJVizCz5OPYHOmv4JA@public.gmane.org> References: <1139865981.7545.7.camel@pentagon.ss.org> Message-ID: <43F0FD88.2050203@xtrinsic.com> Drew Sullivan wrote: > Essential Linux - Everything about Linux but were afraid to ask. *bangs.head.on.desk* Great topic idea, but could we be a LITTLE more gender-friendly in how it's presented? Believe it or not, there are some girls who might want to bring their boyfriends; or boys who want to bring their boyfriends. thanks. emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin www.xtrinsic.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 22:33:50 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:33:50 -0500 Subject: Been blacklisted >_< Was: Re:Is this spam coming from inside my network? In-Reply-To: <200602131537.02214.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <43ECE83C.6060308@alteeve.com> <20060210204541.GC29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43F0D826.5010003@alteeve.com> <200602131537.02214.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <43F1094E.5070208@alteeve.com> Jason Shein wrote: > On Monday 13 February 2006 14:04, Madison Kelly wrote: >> How could I check to see if I am an open relay? > > These will work. > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~remmie/relay/ > http://www.globedom.com/cgi-bin/relay Thanks for the links! My server passed (not open). Since then I've been digging through my logs and found this in '/var/log/messages' Feb 12 05:01:01 srv01 crond(pam_unix)[2456]: session opened for user root by (uid=0) Feb 12 05:01:01 srv01 crond(pam_unix)[2456]: session closed for user root Which is just seconds before the first spam from my 'apache' user was sent. From '/var/log/maillog': Feb 12 05:01:15 srv01 sendmail[2445]: k186LxI0005105: to=, ctladdr= (48/48), delay=4+03:39:16, xdelay=00:02:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=11822817, relay=qaol.com. [38.119.83.27], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with qaol.com. So it looks like something connected for less than a second and then somehow started the flood. I've tried upgrading to Apache 2.0.54 and I (re)set the user password for 'apache' but the mail is still being sent. Needless to say, I am starting to get desperate! Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 22:49:46 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:49:46 -0500 Subject: It's Valentine day. ... In-Reply-To: <43F0FD88.2050203-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <1139865981.7545.7.camel@pentagon.ss.org> <43F0FD88.2050203@xtrinsic.com> Message-ID: <200602131749.46527.interlug@weait.net> On Monday 13 February 2006 16:43, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > Drew Sullivan wrote: > > Essential Linux - Everything about Linux but were afraid to ask. > > *bangs.head.on.desk* > > Great topic idea, but could we be a LITTLE more gender-friendly in how > it's presented? Believe it or not, there are some girls who might want > to bring their boyfriends; or boys who want to bring their boyfriends. HOSUG, the Hamilton Open Source User Group is also meeting on the 14th. http://hosug.org/ has directions, etc. but no agenda for the meeting. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 13 23:09:37 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:09:37 -0500 Subject: Been blacklisted >_< Was: Re:Is this spam coming from inside my network? In-Reply-To: <43F1094E.5070208-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43ECE83C.6060308@alteeve.com> <20060210204541.GC29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43F0D826.5010003@alteeve.com> <200602131537.02214.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <43F1094E.5070208@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <43F111B1.9080402@alteeve.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Jason Shein wrote: >> On Monday 13 February 2006 14:04, Madison Kelly wrote: >>> How could I check to see if I am an open relay? >> >> These will work. >> >> http://members.iinet.net.au/~remmie/relay/ >> http://www.globedom.com/cgi-bin/relay > > Thanks for the links! My server passed (not open). > > Since then I've been digging through my logs and found this in > '/var/log/messages' > > Feb 12 05:01:01 srv01 crond(pam_unix)[2456]: session opened for user > root by (uid=0) > Feb 12 05:01:01 srv01 crond(pam_unix)[2456]: session closed for user root > > Which is just seconds before the first spam from my 'apache' user was > sent. From '/var/log/maillog': > > Feb 12 05:01:15 srv01 sendmail[2445]: k186LxI0005105: > to=, ctladdr= (48/48), > delay=4+03:39:16, xdelay=00:02:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=11822817, > relay=qaol.com. [38.119.83.27], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection > timed out with qaol.com. > > So it looks like something connected for less than a second and then > somehow started the flood. I've tried upgrading to Apache 2.0.54 and I > (re)set the user password for 'apache' but the mail is still being sent. > Needless to say, I am starting to get desperate! > > Madison For what it's worth, the site in all the spam being sent from my domain point to 'http://dy-yellow.com'. Anyone else been hit by them? Arsehats. Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 14 00:40:47 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:40:47 -0500 Subject: Been blacklisted >_< Was: Re:Is this spam coming from inside my network? In-Reply-To: <43F1094E.5070208-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43ECE83C.6060308@alteeve.com> <20060210204541.GC29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43F0D826.5010003@alteeve.com> <200602131537.02214.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <43F1094E.5070208@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <43F1270F.4060101@georgetown.wehave.net> Madison Kelly wrote: >> On Monday 13 February 2006 14:04, Madison Kelly wrote: >> >>> How could I check to see if I am an open relay? >> >> >> These will work. >> >> http://members.iinet.net.au/~remmie/relay/ >> http://www.globedom.com/cgi-bin/relay > > > Thanks for the links! My server passed (not open). That's good but those sites are just testing whether your SMTP server is an open relay. They don't check whether you have an accessible CGI (or other) script that effectively allows open relaying ... apologies if I'm just pointing out the obvious. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shiwan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 14 00:59:22 2006 From: shiwan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Vlad) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:59:22 -0500 Subject: Been blacklisted >_< Was: Re:Is this spam coming from inside my network? In-Reply-To: <43F111B1.9080402-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43ECE83C.6060308@alteeve.com> <20060210204541.GC29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43F0D826.5010003@alteeve.com> <200602131537.02214.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <43F1094E.5070208@alteeve.com> <43F111B1.9080402@alteeve.com> Message-ID: All right, let's see what we can do... (As a preamble, apologies if some of these steps have already been suggested in previous threads; I'm just jumping in now.) * Run something like chkrootkit, although I doubt it'll detect anything - but you never know when people will be sloppy. * If at all possible, reboot the server. I recommend re-installing the same Kernel before you reboot, too. * Check /etc/passwd for discrepancies, such as another user having UID 0 * Check /etc/shadow for discrepancies, such as an account having a password that shouldn't have one. From the it's-a-little-late-but-could-be-entertaining-if-you-have-the-spare-time department: * Try rolling out host-based IDS, like TripWire, perhaps? It's a little late, but it could point out weirdness, or intrusions. * Try rolling out network-based IDS in front of the server? * Try setting the firewall(s) in front of the server to log all. If anything is allowed outbound, you'll need to set up a `permit ip any any log`-style ACL and watch for oddities. Of course, the only sage advice here is "wipe, reinstall, patch up to latest, restore 'clean' backups". Hope this helps, and earns you some good overtime. ;) Cheers, -- Vlad On 2/13/06, Madison Kelly wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: > > Jason Shein wrote: > >> On Monday 13 February 2006 14:04, Madison Kelly wrote: > >>> How could I check to see if I am an open relay? > >> > >> These will work. > >> > >> http://members.iinet.net.au/~remmie/relay/ > >> http://www.globedom.com/cgi-bin/relay > > > > Thanks for the links! My server passed (not open). > > > > Since then I've been digging through my logs and found this in > > '/var/log/messages' > > > > Feb 12 05:01:01 srv01 crond(pam_unix)[2456]: session opened for user > > root by (uid=0) > > Feb 12 05:01:01 srv01 crond(pam_unix)[2456]: session closed for user root > > > > Which is just seconds before the first spam from my 'apache' user was > > sent. From '/var/log/maillog': > > > > Feb 12 05:01:15 srv01 sendmail[2445]: k186LxI0005105: > > to=, ctladdr= (48/48), > > delay=4+03:39:16, xdelay=00:02:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=11822817, > > relay=qaol.com. [38.119.83.27], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection > > timed out with qaol.com. > > > > So it looks like something connected for less than a second and then > > somehow started the flood. I've tried upgrading to Apache 2.0.54 and I > > (re)set the user password for 'apache' but the mail is still being sent. > > Needless to say, I am starting to get desperate! > > > > Madison > > For what it's worth, the site in all the spam being sent from my domain > point to 'http://dy-yellow.com'. Anyone else been hit by them? > > Arsehats. > > Madison > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Madison Kelly (Digimer) > TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up > Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org > Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- end -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 14 01:45:25 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:45:25 -0500 Subject: It's Valentine day. ... In-Reply-To: <200602131749.46527.interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <1139865981.7545.7.camel@pentagon.ss.org> <43F0FD88.2050203@xtrinsic.com> <200602131749.46527.interlug@weait.net> Message-ID: <20060214014525.GA4379@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 05:49:46PM -0500, interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: > On Monday 13 February 2006 16:43, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > > Drew Sullivan wrote: > > > Essential Linux - Everything about Linux but were afraid to ask. > > > > *bangs.head.on.desk* > > > > Great topic idea, but could we be a LITTLE more gender-friendly in how > > it's presented? Believe it or not, there are some girls who might want > > to bring their boyfriends; or boys who want to bring their boyfriends. > > HOSUG, the Hamilton Open Source User Group is also meeting on the 14th. > http://hosug.org/ has directions, etc. but no agenda for the meeting. Don't they meet first Tues? -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 14 02:21:43 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:21:43 -0500 Subject: It's Valentine day. ... In-Reply-To: <20060214014525.GA4379-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1139865981.7545.7.camel@pentagon.ss.org> <43F0FD88.2050203@xtrinsic.com> <200602131749.46527.interlug@weait.net> <20060214014525.GA4379@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <43F13EB7.8030203@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 05:49:46PM -0500, interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: >> On Monday 13 February 2006 16:43, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: >>> Drew Sullivan wrote: >>>> Essential Linux - Everything about Linux but were afraid to ask. >>> *bangs.head.on.desk* >>> >>> Great topic idea, but could we be a LITTLE more gender-friendly in how >>> it's presented? Believe it or not, there are some girls who might want >>> to bring their boyfriends; or boys who want to bring their boyfriends. >> HOSUG, the Hamilton Open Source User Group is also meeting on the 14th. >> http://hosug.org/ has directions, etc. but no agenda for the meeting. > > Don't they meet first Tues? > That could be why they don't have an agenda. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 14 02:33:17 2006 From: leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org (Leah Cunningham) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:33:17 -0500 Subject: syslog-ng and cyrus daemon messages filtering Message-ID: <1139884397.21077.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi guys, I am trying to figure out how I can find out what facility cyrus is sending messages for imaps, pop3, etc. I am finding that the only thing that works for me to get a bunch of crap out of my normal messages file is to have rules like: filter f_imap { facility(local6.debug) or program("imap.*") or program("lmtpunix.*") or program ("pop.*") or program("sieve.*") and not match("opened\ INBOX");}; filter f_mail { facility(mail) or filter(f_imap) and not level(info) and not match("opened\ INBOX"); }; filter f_messages { not facility(news, mail, local6.debug) and not filter(f_iptables) and not filter (f_imap) and not match("opened\ INBOX"); }; If I don't filter specifically on the service names, I get all these imaps, pop3, lmtpunix, etc messages dumped to syslog. Which I really don't want. Also, I'm getting messages on every imap folder open, which is pretty useless, hence the match("opened\ INBOX") statements. Everything I have seen online seems to indicate that cyrus should only send messages on local6 or local6.debug, but it doesn't seem to be the case. Any ideas? Leah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 14 02:56:20 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:56:20 -0500 Subject: [HOSUG] In-Reply-To: <43F13EB7.8030203-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1139865981.7545.7.camel@pentagon.ss.org> <20060214014525.GA4379@node1.opengeometry.net> <43F13EB7.8030203@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200602132156.20567.interlug@weait.net> On Monday 13 February 2006 21:21, James Knott wrote: > William Park wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 05:49:46PM -0500, interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> HOSUG, the Hamilton Open Source User Group is also meeting on the 14th. > >> http://hosug.org/ has directions, etc. but no agenda for the meeting. > > > > Don't they meet first Tues? > > That could be why they don't have an agenda. ;-) The meeting was announced at the last HOSUG meeting. And it is on the calendar. http://www.hosug.org/modules.php?name=Calendar&op=ShowEvent&month=02&day=14&year=2006&eventid=10 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 14 14:15:09 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:15:09 -0500 Subject: Audio devices In-Reply-To: <200602131954.k1DJsAbf016280-6OFCuzf7MNoLmOH3DLDLSmirXDjt672IAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <20060213180158.GE29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200602131954.k1DJsAbf016280@web184.megawebservers.com> Message-ID: <20060214141509.GG29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 07:52:40PM -0000, phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org wrote: > Of course, you're right, but the "sigh" was more about the existence of > usability barriers rather than assigning responsibility. Unfortunately there seems to be a trent with the "profesional" audio people to never release any programming specs for anything. Most of the drivers are done by reverse engineering or trial and error. That is if someone has the hardware (few programmers tend to also be high end audio nuts), and wants it working badly enough. > Regarding your other comment: alsamixer reports no mixer interface, which is > reasonable, since I think the box is entirely hardware controled for those > functions. On the other hand, 'aplay -l' doesn't list the device at all. > This leads me to think that the problem may be that the OS knows about it, but > ALSA needs more information...not sure what or where, but it's a possible path. What does /proc/asound/cards list? Does lsmod show snd-usbx2y loaded (or whatever the driver name was)? What kind of USB controller do you have? Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 14 14:19:42 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:19:42 -0500 Subject: Been blacklisted >_< Was: Re:Is this spam coming from inside my network? In-Reply-To: <43F1270F.4060101-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <43ECE83C.6060308@alteeve.com> <43F1094E.5070208@alteeve.com> <43F1270F.4060101@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <200602140919.42446.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Monday 13 February 2006 19:40, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: > >> On Monday 13 February 2006 14:04, Madison Kelly wrote: > >>> How could I check to see if I am an open relay? > >> > >> These will work. > >> > >> http://members.iinet.net.au/~remmie/relay/ > >> http://www.globedom.com/cgi-bin/relay > > > > Thanks for the links! My server passed (not open). > > That's good but those sites are just testing whether your SMTP server is > an open relay. They don't check whether you have an accessible CGI (or > other) script that effectively allows open relaying ... apologies if I'm > just pointing out the obvious. > -- This is where nessus shines. http://www.nessus.org/ Do a full scan with nessus and see what comes up. Doing regular scheduled vulnerability checks on your network with nessus & nmap, with up to date plugins, can save you a lot of time in the long run. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 14 15:09:36 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:09:36 -0500 Subject: PegaSoft Dinner Meeting - 3D Camera Techiques Message-ID: <1139929776.4856.9.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> The next PegaSoft dinner meeting will be Tuesday, February 21, 2006 at 7:00 pm at the Office Bar and Grill (depending on any music events) near the Islington subway stop. Besides the usual open forum on Linux news and problems, Ken Burtch will be discussing "3D Camera Techniques in Game Design". We will also be discussing the latest progress on our Linux online multiplayer game project. As usual, email Mel Wilson to let us know you are coming and we'll reserve a seat. Mel's address is available at http://www.pegasoft.ca/people.html if you don't have it. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 14 15:59:27 2006 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:59:27 -0500 Subject: find usage Message-ID: Hi all, I hope this question isn?t hmm, too damn Lets say you want to search for a file on a certain installed instance. The file name is foo.txt. You have know idea which directory it might lives in. How would you go about it to make sure your search don?t miss it? I have always tried below and always got funny response #find / -name foo.txt William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 14 16:11:15 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:11:15 -0500 Subject: find usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060214161115.GF3517@ettin> On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 10:59:27AM -0500, Kihara Muriithi wrote: > I have always tried below and always got funny response > #find / -name foo.txt Funny responses should be listed here. You are probably getting lots of error listings about permissions if you are not running find as root. If the install was run 24 hours ago, the command locate might work. See the man pages of both. -- Neil Watson | Gentoo Linux Network Administrator | Uptime 23 days http://watson-wilson.ca | 2.6.11.4 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ x 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 14 16:58:56 2006 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:58:56 -0500 Subject: Been blacklisted >_< Was: Re:Is this spam coming from inside my network? In-Reply-To: <43F1094E.5070208-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43ECE83C.6060308@alteeve.com> <20060210204541.GC29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43F0D826.5010003@alteeve.com> <200602131537.02214.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <43F1094E.5070208@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On 2/13/06, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Jason Shein wrote: > > On Monday 13 February 2006 14:04, Madison Kelly wrote: > >> How could I check to see if I am an open relay? > > > > These will work. > > > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~remmie/relay/ > > http://www.globedom.com/cgi-bin/relay > > Thanks for the links! My server passed (not open). > > Since then I've been digging through my logs and found this in > '/var/log/messages' > > Feb 12 05:01:01 srv01 crond(pam_unix)[2456]: session opened for user > root by (uid=0) > Feb 12 05:01:01 srv01 crond(pam_unix)[2456]: session closed for user root > > Which is just seconds before the first spam from my 'apache' user was > sent. From '/var/log/maillog': Madison, In case someone hasn't already suggested, I highly recommend you disable root logins via ssh: in /etc/ssh/sshd_config (for Mandrake 10, anyway), PermitRootLogin no This forces you to use sudo (or su) when you go to that box via ssh. A minor inconvenience, but a great security feature. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 14 17:43:41 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:43:41 -0500 Subject: find usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060214174341.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 10:59:27AM -0500, Kihara Muriithi wrote: > Hi all, > I hope this question isn?t hmm, too damn > > Lets say you want to search for a file on a certain installed instance. The > file name is foo.txt. You have know idea which directory it might lives in. > How would you go about it to make sure your search don?t miss it? > I have always tried below and always got funny response > #find / -name foo.txt Always use -xdev option when running on / since you don't want to look in /dev or /proc or any other mounted virtual filesystem. Doing so can be bad after all. If you have /usr or /home or such mounted seperately, list them explicitly as places to search. For example: find / /home /usr /data -xdev -name foo.txt Or just install locate or slocate from the findutils and have it index everything every night and just use: locate foo.txt Much faster and more efficient. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 14 17:44:41 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:44:41 -0500 Subject: Screen wallpaper In-Reply-To: <1e55af990602140802v3332d169pdd48a054942d5b1e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200602080923.41653.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <20060208165329.33941.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20060211185527.GA12736@waltdnes.org> <1e55af990602121019s1096f3e4q109c8369baa29bde@mail.gmail.com> <20060213174751.GD29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1e55af990602140802v3332d169pdd48a054942d5b1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060214174441.GI29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 10:02:29AM -0600, Sy Ali wrote: > Not really.. they're for-pay, including the widescreen stuff. Well yes they are, but they have lots when you pay for them. I decided it was worth it. I decided to renew after a year with a for life membership, so now I can always go get more pictures from there. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 14 18:34:32 2006 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:34:32 -0500 Subject: find usage In-Reply-To: <20060214174341.GH29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060214174341.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Hi > I have always tried below and always got funny response > #find / -name foo.txt Funny responses should be listed here. You are probably getting lots of error listings about permissions if you are not running find as root. This is what I got (Run as root) # find / -name *ldif /usr/share/doc/python-ldap-2.0.6/Demo/Lib/ldif find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for /proc: this may be a bug in your filesystem driver. Automatically turning on find's -noleaf option. Earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have been searched. find / /home /usr /data -xdev -name foo.txt Sorensen suggestion fixed it # find / -xdev -name *ldif /usr/share/doc/python-ldap-2.0.6/Demo/Lib/ldif Thank you William Or just install locate or slocate from the findutils and have it index > everything every night and just use: locate foo.txt > > Much faster and more efficient. > > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 14 22:07:34 2006 From: phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org (phil) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:07:34 -0500 Subject: Audio devices In-Reply-To: <20060214141509.GG29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060213180158.GE29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200602131954.k1DJsAbf016280@web184.megawebservers.com> <20060214141509.GG29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D6A2C7C-9DA6-11DA-98A5-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> On Feb 14, 2006, at 9:15 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > What does /proc/asound/cards list? I don't know. Since audio wasn't the primary reason for this machine, I've reverted hardware to a Mac for my MIDI/recording hobby. I figured if it was a simple switch-over, it would be nice to have the extra capacity, but this problem, plus Rosegarden having both gcc 4 and Sourceforge CVS problems, has convinced me to leave it for now. Thank you very much for your comments and suggestions. I appreciate it, but I need to be spending my time in the dreary world of database design instead. :-) FYI: > Does lsmod show snd-usbx2y loaded (or whatever the driver name was)? Yes. > What kind of USB controller do you have? On-board from the ASUS A8N-E, which doesn't give any detail beyond "Max. 10 USB2.0 ports". ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 14 22:40:28 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:40:28 -0500 Subject: Audio devices In-Reply-To: <4D6A2C7C-9DA6-11DA-98A5-00050249A5C8-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060213180158.GE29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200602131954.k1DJsAbf016280@web184.megawebservers.com> <20060214141509.GG29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D6A2C7C-9DA6-11DA-98A5-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> Message-ID: <20060214224028.GJ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 05:07:34PM -0500, phil wrote: > I don't know. Since audio wasn't the primary reason for this machine, > I've reverted hardware to a Mac for my MIDI/recording hobby. I figured > if it was a simple switch-over, it would be nice to have the extra > capacity, but this problem, plus Rosegarden having both gcc 4 and > Sourceforge CVS problems, has convinced me to leave it for now. Thank > you very much for your comments and suggestions. I appreciate it, but > I need to be spending my time in the dreary world of database design > instead. :-) Well that is one solution. :) > On-board from the ASUS A8N-E, which doesn't give any detail beyond > "Max. 10 USB2.0 ports". It is an OHCI usb controller. I did see some messages on the alsa devel list that mentioned that device has been found to have problems with many ohci controllers on linux for some reason. I didn't read all the messages so I don't know if it was ever fixed or figured out. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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The full description of a pantograph can be seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantograph My idea being to take a large image of Tux, use a pantograph to trace/reduce the image down to say 21 mm and instead of a pen on the copying arm use say a pin that can cut into something soft like say a block of wax or some modelling clay... Thoughts? Spare pantographs? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Paul Colin McGregor wrote: >Got the following note from the Linux World and >Network World folks, everyone on this mailing list can >claim a discount on lectures/tutorials at the show. >Please do review what they are offering and seriously >consider signing up for something :-) . > >Colin McGregor > > > > >>You're part of the team-don't miss the event! >> >> >> >>Dear Colin, >> >> >> >>We're excited to have the support of GTALUG for >>LinuxWorld and >>NetworkWorld Conference and Expo 2006. Featuring the >>latest in strategic >>technology, this year's event will draw a host of >>key figures in the IT >>community, from forward-thinking users to >>decision-making executives. >> >> >> >>This is your chance to be part of a high-profile >>environment at a >>special price. 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 15 19:41:58 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:41:58 -0500 Subject: monitor web server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060215194158.GA32603@ettin> On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 02:24:53PM -0500, Phillip Qin wrote: > Is there any open source tool or simple shell script that I can use to > monitor my web server, i.e. I will receive notification when the web site > is down (access website and get http 500 error). BigBrother -- Neil Watson | Gentoo Linux Network Administrator | Uptime 25 days http://watson-wilson.ca | 2.6.11.4 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ x 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 15 20:02:57 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:02:57 -0500 Subject: Metal Tux case badges... or looking for a pantograph In-Reply-To: <20060215191137.1191.qmail-XddnEKhDJlqB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060215191137.1191.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200602151502.59826.interlug@weait.net> On Wednesday 15 February 2006 14:11, Colin McGregor wrote: > Ok, the whole doing metal Tux case badges for the > Linux World show is a pet obsession for me... I've read this post and your prior thread seeking CNC services with interest. There are many ways to approach this. Can you narrow the solution set for me a bit? How many badges would you like to make? How little would you like to spend? How much would you be willing to spend? How much of your own manufacturing time are you willing to spend on each badge? I use CNC services in the $60 - $100/hr range. You might get programming and machining for a simple Tux outline in as little as two hours. Might. This depends on how clear your directions are to the CNC folks. A sculpted, rounded, 3D die will be more. Material cost should be low since the volume required is low. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 15 20:54:01 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:54:01 -0500 Subject: Metal Tux case badges... or looking for a pantograph In-Reply-To: <20060215191137.1191.qmail-XddnEKhDJlqB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060215191137.1191.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43F394E9.1060706@telly.org> Colin McGregor wrote: >Ok, the whole doing metal Tux case badges for the >Linux World show is a pet obsession for me. > You are aware that, before going out to create from scratch, there are already some existing sources of metal case badges, some of which are already etched: http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/stickers/5b43/ http://www.securisysagency.com/designer/linuxtux/designs.html http://www.directron.com/linux1.html http://www.directron.com/bdlinux.html http://www.directron.com/linux2.html http://www.pctech101.com/products.php?cat=42 http://www.scotgold.com/acatalog/ScotGold_Catalogue_Linux_Tux_Stuff_2.html There are even some distro-specific ones: http://www.cheeplinux.com/index.php?cPath=43 http://stores.ebay.co.uk/funkyputers_WINDOWS-Linux-Badges_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZQ2d1QQftidZ2QQtZkm - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 15 21:04:08 2006 From: alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Alan Cohen) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:04:08 -0500 Subject: monitor web server In-Reply-To: <20060215194158.GA32603@ettin> References: <20060215194158.GA32603@ettin> Message-ID: <1140037448.2864.28.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 14:41, Neil Watson wrote: > On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 02:24:53PM -0500, Phillip Qin wrote: > > Is there any open source tool or simple shell script that I can use to > > monitor my web server, i.e. I will receive notification when the web site > > is down (access website and get http 500 error). It's not an open source tool, but you might try the monitoring service at http://perimeter911.com -- Sincerely, Alan Cohen alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 15 21:14:33 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:14:33 -0500 Subject: monitor web server In-Reply-To: <1140037448.2864.28.camel-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <20060215194158.GA32603@ettin> <1140037448.2864.28.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Message-ID: <20060215211433.GB32603@ettin> On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 04:04:08PM -0500, Alan Cohen wrote: >On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 14:41, Neil Watson wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 02:24:53PM -0500, Phillip Qin wrote: >> > Is there any open source tool or simple shell script that I can use to >> > monitor my web server, i.e. I will receive notification when the web site >> > is down (access website and get http 500 error). > >It's not an open source tool, but you might try the monitoring service >at http://perimeter911.com !? "Big Brother is Free for Non-Commercial Use We believe that everyone should have access to Big Brother. The original Big Brother is free for non-commercial use, as defined by our Better than Free license. Big Brother is provided in source code format for Unix and Linux, and precompiled for Windows NT, Windows 2000 and Windows 2003(client only). User contributed clients are also available for Netware, Mac OS/9, VMS, AS/400 and VM/ESA. " Reference: http://www.bb4.org/ -- Neil Watson | Gentoo Linux Network Administrator | Uptime 25 days http://watson-wilson.ca | 2.6.11.4 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ x 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 15 21:31:08 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:31:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Metal Tux case badges... or looking for a pantograph In-Reply-To: <200602151502.59826.interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <200602151502.59826.interlug@weait.net> Message-ID: <20060215213108.54290.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: > On Wednesday 15 February 2006 14:11, Colin McGregor > wrote: > > Ok, the whole doing metal Tux case badges for the > > Linux World show is a pet obsession for me... > > I've read this post and your prior thread seeking > CNC services with interest. > There are many ways to approach this. Can you > narrow the solution set for me > a bit? How many badges would you like to make? Well, to be blunt I want GTALug to be known as having the BEST swag (free goodies) at the show. We can NOT outspend the commercial firms, but we might be able to out think them :-) . So, in an ideal world (which we don't live in) I would love to say have 2,000 metal case badges that we could have as swag items, all done inside a TIGHT budget. Spoke to Bill Thanis last evening. Bill has I gather a University Metulurgy degree and he noted that in high enough volume the badges could be done in stamped aluminum VERY cheaply (the initial set-up costs being the BIG issue). Regardless I need to deal with the need for a good initial master case badge. I was thinking about doing the badges out of pewter for several reasons. - Looks great. - Low enough melting temperature that it could be done in a temporary backyard foundry. As for metal costs I was think about starting with the the likes of taking an old, very beat-up pewter beer tankard that I have and melting that down. Then for additional pewter doing the garage sale/second hand store pewter buys :-) . > How little would you like to spend? > How much would you be willing to spend? Well, let us start by assuming a painfully modest budget of say $50. > How much of your own manufacturing time are you > willing to spend on each > badge? How many Sundays are thier between now and the show start? > I use CNC services in the $60 - $100/hr range. You > might get programming and > machining for a simple Tux outline in as little as > two hours. Might. This > depends on how clear your directions are to the CNC > folks. A sculpted, > rounded, 3D die will be more. Material cost should > be low since the volume > required is low. Comming up with a suitable file should not be a big issue, not with the assistance available via this group :-) . Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 15 21:43:46 2006 From: leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org (Leah Cunningham) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:43:46 -0500 Subject: monitor web server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1140039826.10166.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 14:24 -0500, Phillip Qin wrote: > Is there any open source tool or simple shell script that I can use to > monitor my web server, i.e. I will receive notification when the web > site is down (access website and get http 500 error). Nagios also works well for stuff like this. It can handle all sorts of notification methods (I have it text message me): http://www.nagios.org/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 15 22:59:24 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:59:24 +0200 (IST) Subject: Metal Tux case badges... or looking for a pantograph In-Reply-To: <20060215213108.54290.qmail-p6KvMhi7PWKB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060215213108.54290.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Colin McGregor wrote: > So, in an ideal world (which we don't live in) I would > love to say have 2,000 metal case badges that we could > have as swag items, all done inside a TIGHT budget. How tight ? Normal badges can be made for about 50 cents each, using a press and pre-ordered materials. That means that you are talking $1k, no ? Check out some badge prices (raw materials), then try to figure out what you will do that is non-standard and then how much that will *add* to the plain badge price. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 16 02:00:50 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:00:50 -0500 Subject: Limits on number os ssh users? X users? In-Reply-To: <20060215181206.GA5856-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060215181206.GA5856@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On 2/15/06, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Are there limits to how many users can be logged in at once to a Linux > box via ssh? Are there limits for X sessions? Or is it just hardware > and bandwidth? If the limits are in hardware, how many users would be > likely before performance issues or memory outages stopped the increase? It depends *heavily* on what processes they are running. - A bunch of users running Mozilla and Emacs will chew up memory Purty Fast. - If they are running things with small memory footprints, the number of users could grow Purty High before things fall down. I'd expect memory to be the primary constraint. That's what we used to chew up when running a dozen users on a MicroVAX with 32MB of memory... Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping was a pretty big memory consumer... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 16 02:19:12 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:19:12 -0500 Subject: Limits on number os ssh users? X users? In-Reply-To: <20060215181206.GA5856-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060215181206.GA5856@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <43F3E120.5000100@rogers.com> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Are there limits to how many users can be logged in at once to a Linux > box via ssh? Are there limits for X sessions? Or is it just hardware > and bandwidth? If the limits are in hardware, how many users would be > likely before performance issues or memory outages stopped the increase? > > There's no real reason for the question, just curious. In recent versions of Linux, you're limited to only 4 billion users, though I doubt you'd want them all to connect at the same time. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 16 02:55:29 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:55:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Metal Tux case badges... or looking for a pantograph In-Reply-To: <43F394E9.1060706-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <43F394E9.1060706@telly.org> Message-ID: <20060216025529.14409.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > > >Ok, the whole doing metal Tux case badges for the > >Linux World show is a pet obsession for me. > > You are aware that, before going out to create from > scratch, there are > already some existing sources of metal case badges, > some of which are > already etched: Some of the firms listed below are new to me, but I not only know Scotgold, but two of my home machines sport case badges that I bought from them. The problem with even Scotgold, a firm with whom I have had very satisfactory dealings is two fold: - The prices are unacceptable for a trade-show give-away item. - These badges look nice, I want stunning. There used to be an Austrailian based firm "Silicon Breeze", now seemingly defunct that made truely stunning metal case badges (at prices to match). You can see some examples of the sort of work "Silicon Breeze" did here: http://talktech.geekzone.com.au/index.php?id=40 Now, I don't think I can reach that level (at least not yet :-) ), but I do want to top what is to be seen at places like Scotgold :-) . Colin McGregor > http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/stickers/5b43/ > http://www.securisysagency.com/designer/linuxtux/designs.html > http://www.directron.com/linux1.html > http://www.directron.com/bdlinux.html > http://www.directron.com/linux2.html > http://www.pctech101.com/products.php?cat=42 > http://www.scotgold.com/acatalog/ScotGold_Catalogue_Linux_Tux_Stuff_2.html > > There are even some distro-specific ones: > http://www.cheeplinux.com/index.php?cPath=43 > http://stores.ebay.co.uk/funkyputers_WINDOWS-Linux-Badges_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZQ2d1QQftidZ2QQtZkm > > - Evan > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 16 04:07:53 2006 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:07:53 -0500 Subject: Limits on number os ssh users? X users? In-Reply-To: <43F3E120.5000100-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060215181206.GA5856@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <43F3E120.5000100@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20060216040753.GA32261@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 09:19:12PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > > Are there limits to how many users can be logged in at once to a Linux > > box via ssh? Are there limits for X sessions? Or is it just hardware > > and bandwidth? If the limits are in hardware, how many users would be > > likely before performance issues or memory outages stopped the increase? > > > > There's no real reason for the question, just curious. > > In recent versions of Linux, you're limited to only 4 billion users, > though I doubt you'd want them all to connect at the same time. ;-) The number of users that can have their own account is a separate issue from the original question. I'm often logged into my single account in multiple sessions at once, so the limit is 4 billion times the number of session for each user. :-) -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 16 05:28:05 2006 From: jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:28:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Limits on number os ssh users? X users? In-Reply-To: <43F3E120.5000100-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060215181206.GA5856@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <43F3E120.5000100@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, James Knott wrote: > William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >> Are there limits to how many users can be logged in at once to a Linux >> box via ssh? Are there limits for X sessions? Or is it just hardware >> and bandwidth? If the limits are in hardware, how many users would be >> likely before performance issues or memory outages stopped the increase? > In recent versions of Linux, you're limited to only 4 billion users, > though I doubt you'd want them all to connect at the same time. ;-) My guess is that you would be limited by the number of simultaneous tcp connections the kernel can handle, or the number of open file descriptors. JV -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 16 13:12:06 2006 From: mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org (Gregory D Hough) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:12:06 -0500 Subject: [iptables -m recent] Message-ID: <43F47A26.7040601@execulink.com> Is anyone familiar with netfilter's recent module? I have been playing around with its time and hitcount matches and it appears to me that it has some limits. Most apparent is --hitcount, which seems to be limited to 18 and --seconds which fails to match with a value greater than 43210. It would be helpful debugging the script if there were a way to view entries or a particular IP's status in the tables that the recent module creates. Is this possible? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 16 14:32:02 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:32:02 -0500 Subject: Limits on number os ssh users? X users? In-Reply-To: References: <20060215181206.GA5856@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060216143202.GK29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 09:00:50PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > It depends *heavily* on what processes they are running. > > - A bunch of users running Mozilla and Emacs will chew up memory Purty Fast. > > - If they are running things with small memory footprints, the number > of users could grow Purty High before things fall down. > > I'd expect memory to be the primary constraint. That's what we used > to chew up when running a dozen users on a MicroVAX with 32MB of > memory... Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping was a pretty big > memory consumer... Well at least on a modern linux kernel processes share the memory for the executable code. Only the modified data segments are specific to each user. I suspect emacs doesn't generally have that much of that. On older unix systems where memory pages could not be shared between users, you would quickly run out of memory with such uses. I remember at university sending message to people that if they were going to run emacs, at least they should use 3 buffers in one emacs rather than 3 copies of emacs at the same time. :) SunOS 4 did not deal too well with memory as far as I can tell. It would also swap itself to death under load when too many people were compiling code at the same time. It made the mistake of counting swapin time as runtime so often the swapin time for a task took the full time slice, so when it finished swapping in, the system switched to the next task, and no actual work ever got done anymore, until the next morning when the admins showed up and rebooted the systems. Load average of 130+ meant the system was going to be dead soon. :) Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 16 15:01:36 2006 From: leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org (Leah Cunningham) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:01:36 -0500 Subject: Cyrus on RHEL4/Centos4 virtdomains issue Message-ID: <1140102097.20977.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have enabled virtdomains, and set up sasl, which authenticates fine when I do something like: testsaslauthd -u leah-hcDgGtZH8xNAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org -p secret However, when I try to log in using a mail client, or cyradm, I see the following sorts of messages: saslauthd[32514]: do_auth : auth failure: [user=leah] [service=imap] [realm=] [mech=ldap] [reason=Unknown] I think what I want is [user=leah-hcDgGtZH8xNAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org] to show up there. That is what the testsaslauthd program sends. The usernames are actually the full leah-hcDgGtZH8xNAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org string. Has anyone seen this sort of behavior. Or gotten this running on rhel 4? I have used a pretty much identical setup with SUSE and Debian systems with no issues. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 16 17:00:22 2006 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:00:22 -0500 Subject: Home of losetup Message-ID: Hi all, I am trying to set up a dummy hard drives as they allow LVM configuration scenerios of more than 2 physical hard drives that I currently have. I can't however seem to find losetup tool on Red Hat DVD and rpm -q losetup* says I don't have it installed. Anyone has an idea which group I should look under on redhat-config-package thing? Thank you William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 16 20:35:06 2006 From: leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org (Leah Cunningham) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:35:06 -0500 Subject: Home of losetup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1140122106.23665.9.camel@tchitow.int.iplink.net> On CentOS4.2: rpm -qil lvm2 | grep losetup losetup(8)), creating volume groups (kind of virtual disks) from one On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 12:00 -0500, Kihara Muriithi wrote: > Hi all, > I am trying to set up a dummy hard drives as they allow LVM > configuration scenerios of more than 2 physical hard drives that I > currently have. I can't however seem to find losetup tool on Red Hat > DVD and rpm -q losetup* says I don't have it installed. Anyone has an > idea which group I should look under on redhat-config-package thing? > > Thank you > > William -- Leah Cunningham : d416-585-9971x692 : d416-703-5977 : m416-559-6511 Frauerpower! Co. : www.frauerpower.com : Toronto, ON Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 16 21:30:30 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:30:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Metal Tux case badges... or looking for a pantograph In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060216213030.51069.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Peter wrote: > On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Colin McGregor wrote: > > > So, in an ideal world (which we don't live in) I > would > > love to say have 2,000 metal case badges that we > could > > have as swag items, all done inside a TIGHT > budget. > > How tight ? Normal badges can be made for about 50 > cents each, using a > press and pre-ordered materials. That means that you > are talking $1k, no > ? Check out some badge prices (raw materials), then > try to figure out > what you will do that is non-standard and then how > much that will *add* > to the plain badge price. Well, let us assume for now that we are talking PAINFULLY tight, say $50. $1K would be a number that the board would laugh at. So, we don't go down the "normal" route, instead we do something better (after all if we were "normal" we would all be using an OS from that convicted software pirate and convicted monopolist firm in Washington state :-) ). The idea here is to NOT have the conventional paper badges with the plastic dome cover, we (well I) want something distinctly different, something along the lines of what the now seemingly defunct "Silicon Breeze" firm did. You can see some of the stuff "Silicon Breeze" did via the Way Back machine: http://web.archive.org/web/20031215182634/www.linuxjewellery.com/ In other words the plastic domes at $0.50 each are not of interest here... Now if I understood Bill Thanis correctly if we were doing a large enough volume we could make the badges out of stamped aluminium for under $0.01 per badge. The problem with stamped aluminium I gather is the set-up charges will likely be a killer. Pewter on the other hand, likely higher material charge per badge, but lower set-up cost... Not sure how this can be made to work, but do need that initial master in a form that can be used to make copies from... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 16 22:42:05 2006 From: leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org (Leah Cunningham) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:42:05 -0500 Subject: Cyrus on RHEL4/Centos4 virtdomains issue In-Reply-To: <1140102097.20977.25.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1140102097.20977.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1140129725.23665.15.camel@tchitow.int.iplink.net> I think I figured it out. If anyone's interested. http://www.heinous.org/wiki/Cyrus_Notes#Authenticating_as_user.40example2.com_with_saslauthd_and_LDAP On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 10:01 -0500, Leah Cunningham wrote: > I have enabled virtdomains, and set up sasl, which authenticates fine > when I do something like: > > testsaslauthd -u leah-hcDgGtZH8xNAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org -p secret > > However, when I try to log in using a mail client, or cyradm, I see the > following sorts of messages: > > saslauthd[32514]: do_auth : auth failure: [user=leah] > [service=imap] [realm=] [mech=ldap] [reason=Unknown] > > I think what I want is [user=leah-hcDgGtZH8xNAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org] to show up there. That > is what the testsaslauthd program sends. The usernames are actually the > full leah-hcDgGtZH8xNAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org string. > > Has anyone seen this sort of behavior. Or gotten this running on rhel > 4? I have used a pretty much identical setup with SUSE and Debian systems > with no issues. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Leah Cunningham : d416-585-9971x692 : d416-703-5977 : m416-559-6511 Frauerpower! Co. : www.frauerpower.com : Toronto, ON Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 16 23:35:10 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:35:10 -0500 Subject: Metal Tux case badges In-Reply-To: <20060216213030.51069.qmail-iE2/U85ktn6B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060216213030.51069.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200602161835.11160.interlug@weait.net> On Thursday 16 February 2006 16:30, Colin McGregor wrote: > Now if I understood Bill Thanis correctly if we were > doing a large enough volume we could make the badges > out of stamped aluminium for under $0.01 per badge. > The problem with stamped aluminium I gather is the > set-up charges will likely be a killer. I've had injection molded plastic parts made for a few cents each. Again you are still paying off $1k to $2k for the simplest tooling. Then time and materials to actually run the parts. > Pewter on the other hand, likely higher material > charge per badge, but lower set-up cost... Not sure > how this can be made to work, but do need that initial > master in a form that can be used to make copies > from... Have you checked with some jewelery forums? Sounds like you are right out of the range of "manufacturers" and in to "artisans." Home jewelers would have a better grip on the material cost, the best material for your mold, and for how many uses you'll get from the mold before you have to replace it. > Well, let us assume for now that we are talking > PAINFULLY tight, say $50. You still talking about 1,000 pieces? For $50 bucks? I haven't done any metal casting so consider the source but this sounds unreasonable. You could easily spend $50 for drill bits, clamps, bolts, dowels, pressboard and the other bits and pieces required to make one of the molds shown in the casting class link you posted earlier. If you have a fully stocked wood shop then perhaps you don't need to buy any of that stuff. In this case I think you could make a badge for $50. Let's say $15 for materials, another $5 for a crucible, some polishing compound, J-cloths, silver solder, sandpaper. You could pour three or four and might get one or two that are good enough to polish. Sounds like a fun afternoon of learning home casting but I just don't see $0.20/piece. Even if your time is free. > $1K would be a number that the board would laugh at. Yup. That's probably still too low to set up a custom jewelry foundry. Would it reduce the value of these jewelry case badges if you give them away to every visitor at the booth? Why not hire a jeweler for $1,000 for one case badge made of precious metal? Then raffle it? That is one case badge that will get a lot of attention and appear to have a lot of value. I don't know, maybe jewelers will work cheaper than that. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 02:18:01 2006 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:18:01 -0500 Subject: smartphone? Message-ID: <20060217021801.GA26161@utoronto.ca> Hi folks, Anyone out there use a smartphone? I am looking for a blackberry or treo or something -- something that combines palm-like functions with a cell phone. I love my old palm Vx (battry dying though) so a PalmOS device would be nice (graffitti even better!). But obviously the main criterion is that it has to Play Nice With Linux! I mostly use Debian or Ubuntu, with xfce or Gnome -- so something that syncs to Evolution would be great (I suppose I can consider moving over to KDE if there is some great advantage). SO what are the options? Thanks, Matt ------------------------------------------- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org History Department, University of Toronto (416) 978-2094 -------------------------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 05:29:53 2006 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:29:53 -0500 Subject: Metal Tux case badges... or looking for a pantograph In-Reply-To: <20060215191137.1191.qmail-XddnEKhDJlqB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060215191137.1191.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060217002953.4c3f08f9.hgibson@eol.ca> On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:11:37 -0500 (EST) Colin McGregor wrote: > Ok, the whole doing metal Tux case badges for the > Linux World show is a pet obsession for me... The > problem that I have is creating a "master" badge from > which copies can be made. To that end I asked about > CNC machines for directly cutting a master out of say > aluminium, an approach that so far has not come up > with workable solutions. Colin, I saw an article somewhere on backyard sand casting. You need a wooden pattern, a box, some sand and something heavy, like you car to squish everything down. Also, you need molten metal and someone with carving skills. If the internet fails, try searching the library. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 05:58:15 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:58:15 -0800 Subject: smartphone? In-Reply-To: <20060217021801.GA26161-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060217021801.GA26161@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On 2/16/06, Matt Price wrote: > Hi folks, > > Anyone out there use a smartphone? I am looking for a blackberry or > treo or something -- something that combines palm-like functions with > a cell phone. I love my old palm Vx (battry dying though) so a PalmOS > device would be nice (graffitti even better!). But obviously the main > criterion is that it has to Play Nice With Linux! I mostly use Debian > or Ubuntu, with xfce or Gnome -- so something that syncs to > Evolution would be great (I suppose I can consider moving over to KDE > if there is some great advantage). > > SO what are the options? As far as I can tell, Blackberry is a terrible choice if Linux interoperability is a requirement. The PalmOS-based Treo phones would be better choices... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 06:25:36 2006 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:25:36 -0500 Subject: smartphone? In-Reply-To: References: <20060217021801.GA26161@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20060217012536.0e4c181a.tleslie@tcn.net> this is one cool linux phone http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6443438627.html but it seems over due, and of course it might be delicate or easily breakable, etc, the nokia 9300 is probably the coolest of all with Symbian 7.0S OS (series 80 platform) and Java. I'd hav to guess it would play nice with linux. i am trying to get a 9300, need to see if a local carrier will promise that their data/internet will work before i buy it. -tl On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:58:15 -0800 Christopher Browne wrote: > On 2/16/06, Matt Price wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > Anyone out there use a smartphone? I am looking for a blackberry or > > treo or something -- something that combines palm-like functions with > > a cell phone. I love my old palm Vx (battry dying though) so a PalmOS > > device would be nice (graffitti even better!). But obviously the main > > criterion is that it has to Play Nice With Linux! I mostly use Debian > > or Ubuntu, with xfce or Gnome -- so something that syncs to > > Evolution would be great (I suppose I can consider moving over to KDE > > if there is some great advantage). > > > > SO what are the options? > > As far as I can tell, Blackberry is a terrible choice if Linux > interoperability is a requirement. > > The PalmOS-based Treo phones would be better choices... > -- > http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html > "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him > absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dieter-bh4LRnif2k33fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 12:30:07 2006 From: dieter-bh4LRnif2k33fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Dieter Limeback) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:30:07 -0500 Subject: smartphone? In-Reply-To: References: <20060217021801.GA26161@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20060217123007.GA1507@copper> > > Anyone out there use a smartphone? I am looking for a blackberry or > > treo or something -- something that combines palm-like functions with > > a cell phone. > The PalmOS-based Treo phones would be better choices... Yes, I have a Treo 600 and it works fine with my Debian install -- it syncs to jPilot, and the pilot-link package provides a bunch of command line tools. Also worth noting is that it has an SD card slot, so with a card reader I can mount SD cards as regular vfat volumes. This allows me, for example, to keep working with regular text files instead of the hassle of dealing with Palm's .pdb format. -- Dieter Limeback PGP Key ID: 0xCF2CA6A7 http://www.dieter.ca/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 12:42:59 2006 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:42:59 -0500 Subject: JOB Posting Message-ID: Our company is developing a specialized RFID reader. This reader will be linux based, specifically an embedded arm processor www.embeddedarm.com the TS-7260. I'm looking for someone with the following skills. Ability to create, and maintain a custom linux distro. One exists but I'd like to modify it. TCP protocol experience. java servlet experience, specifically embedded applications. The position is in our Mississauga office. Hopefully this is the right place and format to post a job Dave Cramer VicePresident I/T Visible Assets Inc. 2330 Southfield Rd Mississauga, Ont. L5N 2W8 (519) 939-0336 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From vince-J8gUg58EjS5Wk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 13:28:32 2006 From: vince-J8gUg58EjS5Wk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Vince Fry) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:28:32 -0500 Subject: smartphone? In-Reply-To: <20060217021801.GA26161-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060217021801.GA26161@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1140182912.9603.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 21:18 -0500, Matt Price wrote: > Hi folks, > > Anyone out there use a smartphone? I am looking for a blackberry or > treo or something -- something that combines palm-like functions with > a cell phone. I love my old palm Vx (battry dying though) so a PalmOS > device would be nice (graffitti even better!). But obviously the main > criterion is that it has to Play Nice With Linux! I mostly use Debian > or Ubuntu, with xfce or Gnome -- so something that syncs to > Evolution would be great (I suppose I can consider moving over to KDE > if there is some great advantage). > > SO what are the options? > > Thanks, > > Matt > > ------------------------------------------- > Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > History Department, University of Toronto > (416) 978-2094 > -------------------------------------------- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml I've had several Blackberries, none of which have worked with Linux. I tested a Treo 600 a while back, and had no issues with it. Of course, stay away from the new 700W!! I now have a Nokia 6620, and with some third party software, email, contact and calendar syncing work well with Evolution. I can also transfer files back and forth using bluetooth, and can mount the file system on the phone using NFS. -- Vince Fry vince-J8gUg58EjS5Wk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org www.vincefry.com "Kill -9 needs no justification!" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 13:46:53 2006 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:46:53 -0500 Subject: smartphone? In-Reply-To: <1140182912.9603.29.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <20060217021801.GA26161@utoronto.ca> <1140182912.9603.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <23150B18-5C0A-40F9-842D-A1E8E4A03AD2@visibleassets.com> I tried a treo 650, wasn't impressed. The buttons are too close together. The blackberry has much nicer keyboard layout. It crashed within the first day, so I returned it. On the other hand people who get used to them love them. My criteria was that it had to play nice with OS X, and it appears that not much does. Telus has one that is different, check it out, I didn't find it til after I decided to get a RAZR. Dave On 17-Feb-06, at 8:28 AM, Vince Fry wrote: > On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 21:18 -0500, Matt Price wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> Anyone out there use a smartphone? I am looking for a blackberry or >> treo or something -- something that combines palm-like functions with >> a cell phone. I love my old palm Vx (battry dying though) so a >> PalmOS >> device would be nice (graffitti even better!). But obviously the >> main >> criterion is that it has to Play Nice With Linux! I mostly use >> Debian >> or Ubuntu, with xfce or Gnome -- so something that syncs to >> Evolution would be great (I suppose I can consider moving over to KDE >> if there is some great advantage). >> >> SO what are the options? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Matt >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org >> History Department, University of Toronto >> (416) 978-2094 >> -------------------------------------------- >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > I've had several Blackberries, none of which have worked with Linux. I > tested a Treo 600 a while back, and had no issues with it. Of course, > stay away from the new 700W!! > > I now have a Nokia 6620, and with some third party software, email, > contact and calendar syncing work well with Evolution. I can also > transfer files back and forth using bluetooth, and can mount the file > system on the phone using NFS. > -- > Vince Fry > vince-J8gUg58EjS5Wk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org > www.vincefry.com > > "Kill -9 needs no justification!" > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 13:56:04 2006 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:56:04 -0500 Subject: smartphone? In-Reply-To: <23150B18-5C0A-40F9-842D-A1E8E4A03AD2-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <20060217021801.GA26161@utoronto.ca> <1140182912.9603.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <23150B18-5C0A-40F9-842D-A1E8E4A03AD2@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: On 2/17/06, Dave Cramer wrote: > I tried a treo 650, wasn't impressed. The buttons are too close > together. The blackberry has much nicer keyboard layout. ... > My criteria was that it had to play nice with OS X, and it appears > that not much does. I recently purchased a Palm T|X, and I was entirely unimpressed with Palm's OSX software offering (recompiled OS9; FUGLY and less than fully-funcitonal). I purchased The Missing Sync from MarkSpace, and am much happier (despite still being angry at Palm). -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 13:56:56 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:56:56 -0500 Subject: smartphone? In-Reply-To: <20060217021801.GA26161-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060217021801.GA26161@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <200602170856.56552.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Thursday 16 February 2006 21:18, Matt Price wrote: > Hi folks, > > Anyone out there use a smartphone? I am looking for a blackberry or > treo or something -- something that combines palm-like functions with > a cell phone. I love my old palm Vx (battry dying though) so a PalmOS > device would be nice (graffitti even better!). But obviously the main > criterion is that it has to Play Nice With Linux! I mostly use Debian > or Ubuntu, with xfce or Gnome -- so something that syncs to > Evolution would be great (I suppose I can consider moving over to KDE > if there is some great advantage). > > SO what are the options? > > Thanks, > > Matt I have a Treo 600 and love it. I have it sync as follows: Treo -> kpilot -> kontact -> egroupware So I have synchronization between my phone, laptop and groupware server. Can't get better than that! -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 14:00:25 2006 From: leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org (Leah Cunningham) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:00:25 -0500 Subject: smartphone? In-Reply-To: <20060217021801.GA26161-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060217021801.GA26161@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1140184826.4959.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 21:18 -0500, Matt Price wrote: > Anyone out there use a smartphone? Also have a Treo 600 and it seems alright. I recommend a headset for it, there are some companies doing headsets that do both headphone mode and headset mode which is nice if you use it as an ogg/mp3 player. It's a little skippy, probably the 650 handles it a bit better, but they're pretty much the same phone. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 15:11:17 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:11:17 -0500 Subject: twiki or ??? Message-ID: <43F5E795.5020300@georgetown.wehave.net> Hi, I started a wiki at my company about 1 year ago. It is now 400 pages, growing like crazy and (obviously) popular. There are about 15 active editors currently and that could easily double soon. No matter what happens the wiki is almost certain to exceed one thousand pages by fall. Does anyone have experience in running a big wiki? What limitations might your have run into? The wiki is primarily for documentation around support/deployment procedures, howtos, etc. I started with mediawiki and I'm starting to see some faults. The big flat wiki model leaves a lot to be desired as does the rather shallow access control capabilities. I have deployed additional wiki instances for other groups to avoid too much tripping over each other. I like the idea of some access control and heirarchy. twiki sounds promising. I'm planning to give twiki a go, if anyone knows of something that might be better I'm all ears. Thanks -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 15:17:18 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:17:18 -0500 Subject: twiki or ??? In-Reply-To: <43F5E795.5020300-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <43F5E795.5020300@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20060217151718.GA9599@ettin> Have you performed a proper analysis to identify that the bottle neck is indeed the wiki software itself? I've just starting using twiki. It seems to function OK. I found its documentation to be somewhat scattered and difficult to follow. Ours is a small group so I'm not sure how it will scale. -- Neil Watson | Gentoo Linux Network Administrator | Uptime 10:14:49 up 41 min, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 http://watson-wilson.ca | 2.6.11.4 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ x 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 15:32:50 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:32:50 -0500 Subject: twiki or ??? In-Reply-To: <20060217151718.GA9599@ettin> References: <43F5E795.5020300@georgetown.wehave.net> <20060217151718.GA9599@ettin> Message-ID: <43F5ECA2.1050409@georgetown.wehave.net> Neil Watson wrote: > Have you performed a proper analysis to identify that the bottle neck is > indeed the wiki software itself? I wouldn't say that I have *done* a complete analysis, I am doing the analysis now. Some problems are as much people/policy problems as they are software ones. For example we might have an admin who writes a document called "User Account Creation" ... the problem is that "User Account Creation" is highly specific to environment/project. If an admin doesn't mention his project specifically within the doc (not uncommon) then you have to resort to "what links here" to figure out what the heck environment the doc might apply to. I believe that having defined heirarchies (/projectX/User_Account_Creation) would alleviate the problem a bit. I should add that we are currently using mediawiki. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 16:54:02 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:54:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Free stuff: Old Linux Journal magazines Message-ID: <20060217165402.87904.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I've got over 35 old (pre-2002) issues of "Linux Journal" that I would like to be rid of, if possible to someone who would enjoy them (i.e. not straight to the recycling bin). So, anyone interested in these magazines can arrange to pick them up from me at the following places: - My home near Yonge & Eglinton most evenings or most of the time during the weekend. - My office near King and River most weekdays say 9:30 AM - 4:00 PM (yes, I am likely there outside those times, but...). - Lastly, I plan to be at the NewTLUG meeting on Feb. 28 and am willing to take the magazines there. Preference will go to who ever can pick these magazines up first. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 17:06:35 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:06:35 -0500 Subject: twiki or ??? In-Reply-To: <20060217151718.GA9599@ettin> References: <43F5E795.5020300@georgetown.wehave.net> <20060217151718.GA9599@ettin> Message-ID: On 2/17/06, Neil Watson wrote: > Have you performed a proper analysis to identify that the bottle neck is > indeed the wiki software itself? I suspect you're assuming he's at or near a bottleneck. With a mere 1000 pages, I don't expect that's the case, at least not at the "software/hardware" level. That's the sort of load where software isn't too much the question as far as raw performance is concerned. I'd not want to run such a big wiki using ps-httpd , but I don't think this is even close to the point where any of the common Wiki packages would be expected to fall down. I'd expect the troubles to instead be human ones, of making sure they don't step on one another... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 18:25:37 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:25:37 -0500 Subject: twiki or ??? In-Reply-To: References: <43F5E795.5020300@georgetown.wehave.net> <20060217151718.GA9599@ettin> Message-ID: <43F61521.60800@georgetown.wehave.net> Christopher Browne wrote: > I suspect you're assuming he's at or near a bottleneck. > > With a mere 1000 pages, I don't expect that's the case, at least not > at the "software/hardware" level. Correct. I'd expect tens of thousands of pages to not be much of an issue performance wise, we have many users but the site is not being pounded with traffic by any stretch. > I'd expect the troubles to instead be human ones, of making sure they > don't step on one another... Exactly, I'm hoping for some amount of software assistance in this ... mediawiki doesn't seem to offer very much in that regard. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 19:00:52 2006 From: Chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org (Chris Friedt) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:00:52 -0500 Subject: what to delete in /usr Message-ID: I know that this is extremely late to reply to your email, and it sounds as though you've had a lot of meanies replying. But I have truthfully run into your problem quite often. So I'll keep it short: 1) Look into a script called 'localepurge' - locale data takes up several hundred megabytes, and if you don't need a translation for every other language in the world, it's generally a good idea to get rid of that data. 2) Delete unused kernel trees if you build it from scratch ... that would be in /usr/src and /lib . Remember to save the tree and libraries of the currently running kernel as determined from `uname -a` 3) /usr/share/docs takes up tonnes of space... if you don't need a direct reference to all of the docs from a package, you can get rid of much of this. 4) I agree with the find /usr -size '10000k' or whatever, good suggestion... I also use du -hsx * | grep "^[1-9][0-9\.].*M" (note: use /usr in place of * above for the command to work from any location on the filesystem) ... Generally, i wouldn't delete any shared libraries, just documentation. The command I gave you will show you the size of directories and files, which makes it a bit handier that the 'find' option (also takes much more time). If you really need to, look through your package manager and see what packages may be removed without affecting your normal operations. A good linux distro is one that uses as little space as possible to get the job done :-) ~/Chris ps: I hope advice helps with your problem and changes your general opinion of this LUG in a positive way ;-) ______________________________ Christopher Friedt Ryerson University Computing & Communication Services (416) 979-5000 x6831 chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 21:56:16 2006 From: mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org (Gregory D Hough) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:56:16 -0500 Subject: [iptables -m recent] In-Reply-To: <43F47A26.7040601-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43F47A26.7040601@execulink.com> Message-ID: <43F64680.8080708@execulink.com> Gregory D Hough wrote: > > It would be helpful debugging the script if there were a way to view > entries or a particular IP's status in the tables that the recent module > creates. Is this possible? > -- I hope the line wrap is better this time as I attempt to answer my own question... The iptables man page in FC3 has nothing for the recent module even though it is available for use. The NetFilter site has some info and examples but I couldn't find a specific answer. This page offered a clue: http://www.stearns.org/doc/adaptive-firewalls.current.html QUOTE: "The proc filesystem holds a readable, and even modifiable, list of IP addresses in each of your lists. This allows you to manually add or remove IP's, clear the table, or do additional checks or logs from a userspace program." So a simple 'cat /proc/net/ipt_recent/' reveals the entire list. FWIW - The default max --hitcount is 19 (20 resets to 0 and oldest hit time is dropped), the max number of named lists is 6 and the default number of IP's per list is 100 unless a value is specified on first load: modprobe ipt_recent ip_list_tot=1000 Definitely a phun module! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 21:47:06 2006 From: louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (hui xu) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:47:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: how to uncompress .rar file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060217214706.18203.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Anybody has experience on uncompress .rar files on linux. I have downloaded something which contains lots of .rar files in one directory? should I have to uncompress them one by one. is there any command to unrar all of them with one command? Thanks! Hui -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 21:59:54 2006 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:59:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: how to uncompress .rar file In-Reply-To: <20060217214706.18203.qmail-23FcKNrgct6A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20060217214706.18203.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, hui xu wrote: > Anybody has experience on uncompress .rar files on linux. I have > downloaded something which contains lots of .rar files in one > directory? should I have to uncompress them one by one. is there any > command to unrar all of them with one command? Any command can be performed on many files with a simple loop: for file in *.rar ## $file is assigned to each .rar file in turn do unrar e "$file" ## adjust this command as necessary done -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 22:11:11 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:11:11 -0500 Subject: how to uncompress .rar file In-Reply-To: References: <20060217214706.18203.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200602171711.11463.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Friday 17 February 2006 16:59, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, hui xu wrote: > > Anybody has experience on uncompress .rar files on linux. I have > > downloaded something which contains lots of .rar files in one > > directory? should I have to uncompress them one by one. is there any > > command to unrar all of them with one command? > > Any command can be performed on many files with a simple loop: > > for file in *.rar ## $file is assigned to each .rar file in turn > do > unrar e "$file" ## adjust this command as necessary > done #unrar x file.rar will extract all parts of the rar if it is a multi-part file, the extension can also be in form of .r00, .r01, .r02, etc. or .001, .002, .003, etc. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 17 22:30:50 2006 From: dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org (Dominic Bonfiglio) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:30:50 -0500 Subject: skyping in and from canada In-Reply-To: References: <20060217214706.18203.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43F64E9A.7050707@gmx.de> Hello, This is not a Linux-related question, but it seems likely that the computer savvy of the open-source community will have an answer--or at least have some experience to share. A year ago, when I still lived in Germany, I frequently skyped with friends there and in the US. The connections were fantastic, much better (and of course infinitely cheaper) than any offered by traditional long-distance providers. Since settling in Toronto, however, my Skype connections to the US and Germany have been abysmal. There are echos, pulsating interruptions, and static. I have tried to skype using Rogers as well as UofT's network, and have almost always had the same poor results. Inexplicably, on two occasions using Rogers the line remained crystal clear for the length of the call. Has anyone else had such problems when skyping abroad? Is skyping within Canada any different? Is the Canadian server network any different from those in other countries? Does Canada have a some beef with the Skype people? Thanks, Dominic -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 00:13:14 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:13:14 -0500 Subject: skyping in and from canada In-Reply-To: <43F64E9A.7050707-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org> References: <20060217214706.18203.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> <43F64E9A.7050707@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4386c5b20602171613w2127e441uabbdb9b881257630@mail.gmail.com> Are you talking about pure VOIP or using SkypeOut? I found the latter service to be dreadful. On 2/17/06, Dominic Bonfiglio wrote: > Hello, > > This is not a Linux-related question, but it seems likely that the > computer savvy of the open-source community will have an answer--or at > least have some experience to share. > > A year ago, when I still lived in Germany, I frequently skyped with > friends there and in the US. The connections were fantastic, much better > (and of course infinitely cheaper) than any offered by traditional > long-distance providers. Since settling in Toronto, however, my Skype > connections to the US and Germany have been abysmal. There are echos, > pulsating interruptions, and static. I have tried to skype using Rogers > as well as UofT's network, and have almost always had the same poor > results. Inexplicably, on two occasions using Rogers the line remained > crystal clear for the length of the call. > > Has anyone else had such problems when skyping abroad? Is skyping within > Canada any different? Is the Canadian server network any different from > those in other countries? Does Canada have a some beef with the Skype > people? > > Thanks, > Dominic > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 00:39:20 2006 From: dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org (Dominic Bonfiglio) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:39:20 -0500 Subject: skyping in and from canada In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20602171613w2127e441uabbdb9b881257630-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060217214706.18203.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> <43F64E9A.7050707@gmx.de> <4386c5b20602171613w2127e441uabbdb9b881257630@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43F66CB8.6070508@gmx.de> No, sorry, I meant the pure VOIP. Dominic Aaron Vegh wrote: > Are you talking about pure VOIP or using SkypeOut? I found the latter > service to be dreadful. > > On 2/17/06, Dominic Bonfiglio wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> This is not a Linux-related question, but it seems likely that the >> computer savvy of the open-source community will have an answer--or at >> least have some experience to share. >> >> A year ago, when I still lived in Germany, I frequently skyped with >> friends there and in the US. The connections were fantastic, much better >> (and of course infinitely cheaper) than any offered by traditional >> long-distance providers. Since settling in Toronto, however, my Skype >> connections to the US and Germany have been abysmal. There are echos, >> pulsating interruptions, and static. I have tried to skype using Rogers >> as well as UofT's network, and have almost always had the same poor >> results. Inexplicably, on two occasions using Rogers the line remained >> crystal clear for the length of the call. >> >> Has anyone else had such problems when skyping abroad? Is skyping within >> Canada any different? Is the Canadian server network any different from >> those in other countries? Does Canada have a some beef with the Skype >> people? >> >> Thanks, >> Dominic >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rrod-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 00:43:13 2006 From: rrod-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (R.R.) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:43:13 -0500 Subject: XGL and the future of X Windows In-Reply-To: <20060217214706.18203.qmail-23FcKNrgct6A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20060217214706.18203.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060218003852.2E44C1215B7@acheron.ss.org> Hi Everyone, Thought some of you might be interested in this video: http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi (60 MB) (Original news release here: http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/) Cheers, Ricardo R. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 00:45:05 2006 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:45:05 -0500 Subject: how to uncompress .rar file In-Reply-To: <20060217214706.18203.qmail-23FcKNrgct6A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: Message-ID: <43F627C1.9268.DDDA0E4@localhost> Normally, you need to find the first file, and make that the file parameter to unrar. It usually figures it out on its own. On 17 Feb 2006 at 16:47, hui xu (hui xu ) spaketh these wourdes: > Hi, > > Anybody has experience on uncompress .rar files on linux. I have downloaded something which contains lots of .rar files in one directory? should I have to uncompress them one by one. is there any command to unrar all of them with one command? > > Thanks! > Hui > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 02:18:41 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:18:41 -0500 Subject: XGL and the future of X Windows In-Reply-To: <20060218003852.2E44C1215B7-mb4phVZFrfSXFJAUJl40Xg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060218003852.2E44C1215B7@acheron.ss.org> Message-ID: <43F68401.8030407@rogers.com> R.R. wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Thought some of you might be interested in this video: > http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi (60 MB) > > (Original news release here: http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/) Curious. It won't play on SuSE 10 for legal reasons. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 04:07:35 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:07:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: what to delete in /usr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87vevdjomy.fsf@gmail.com> Chris> 2) Delete unused kernel trees if you build it from scratch Chris> ... that would be in /usr/src and /lib . Remember to save the ^^^^^^^^ If you mean where the OP compiles his/her kernel, this is wrong. Google for "Linus kernel compile /usr/src" or similar and hit Lucky :-) -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 04:17:19 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:17:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [META] useless use of followups [Was:skyping in and from canada] In-Reply-To: <43F64E9A.7050707-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org> References: <43F64E9A.7050707@gmx.de> Message-ID: <87zmkpgv1t.fsf@gmail.com> This habit seems to be communicable, so it's time for the local etiquette nitpicker to pipe up. When you're starting a new topic, _don't_ use the Reply or Follow-up feature of your user agent. It inconveniences all who read the list with threading on. Thanks. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 05:05:11 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:05:11 -0500 Subject: smartphone? Message-ID: <1140239111.29923.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Friday, 2006-02-17 02:18:01 GMT, Matt Price wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > Anyone out there use a smartphone? I am looking for a blackberry or > treo or something -- something that combines palm-like functions with > a cell phone. I love my old palm Vx (battry dying though) so a PalmOS > device would be nice (graffitti even better!). But obviously the main > criterion is that it has to Play Nice With Linux! I mostly use Debian > or Ubuntu, with xfce or Gnome -- so something that syncs to > Evolution would be great (I suppose I can consider moving over to KDE > if there is some great advantage). > > SO what are the options? > > Thanks, > > Matt We have been developing a Blackberry tool that runs in Linux. We have a developer devoting two days a week to the project and we are getting quite a few web sites hits on it. Check out http://sourceforge.net/projects/barry/ and http://www.netdirect.ca/software/packages/barry/index.php Currently it is a library and command line tool that is successfully backing up and restoring several of the blackberry databases. It works on three of the recent blackberry models that we have and we expect that it would work on all of the current models. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 06:30:18 2006 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:30:18 -0500 Subject: smartphone? In-Reply-To: <1140239111.29923.22.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1140239111.29923.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060218063018.GA8376@utoronto.ca> On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 12:05:11AM -0500, John Van Ostrand wrote: > On Friday, 2006-02-17 02:18:01 GMT, Matt Price wrote: > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > Anyone out there use a smartphone? I am looking for a blackberry or > > treo or something -- something that combines palm-like functions with > > a cell phone. I love my old palm Vx (battry dying though) so a PalmOS > > device would be nice (graffitti even better!). But obviously the main > > criterion is that it has to Play Nice With Linux! I mostly use Debian > > or Ubuntu, with xfce or Gnome -- so something that syncs to > > Evolution would be great (I suppose I can consider moving over to KDE > > if there is some great advantage). > > > > SO what are the options? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Matt > > > We have been developing a Blackberry tool that runs in Linux. We have a > developer devoting two days a week to the project and we are getting quite > a few web sites hits on it. > > Check out http://sourceforge.net/projects/barry/ and > http://www.netdirect.ca/software/packages/barry/index.php > > Currently it is a library and command line tool that is successfully backing > up and restoring several of the blackberry databases. It works on three of the > recent blackberry models that we have and we expect that it would work on > all of the current models. thanks everyone for your replies. John's Blackberry project sounds especially interesting -- quite cool, really. Soundsl ike you're somewhere around milestone 2 from the roadmap? I should probably refrain from that option though - -I am trying to make sure my pda isn't an excuse to wastetime hacking around, but instead Just Works. So then it soundsl ike Palm is likely the wayto go, though I see the treo 650 gets very mixed reviews. There are rumors of a 700p set to arrive soon -- that might be a better option. Or perhaps one of these nokia phones (though they don'th ave graffitti!). The feeling I'm getting is that there is perhaps no perfect solution yet. ah well. thanks again! matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 06:34:02 2006 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:34:02 -0500 Subject: Usable WIFI card: PCi or USB In-Reply-To: <200602180005.10889.dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM@public.gmane.org> References: <200602180005.10889.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: <20060218063402.GB8376@utoronto.ca> don't have my laptop in the house right now but I use a card based on the acx100 chipset, and it works pretty much flawlessly (pcmcia). I also bought a startech 802.11g pci device (pci55wg) which was automatically recognized and configured by ubuntu dapper -- so I odn't even know which drivers it uses! On the other hand, the cheap usb device I got on college street, which uses the wlan-ng drivers, oly works sort of half-heartedly, and I find it leads to trouble at boot time on my mac. so I'd go with the wlan-ng drivers or whatever it is that supports this startech thing I have. matt On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 12:05:10AM -0500, Duncan MacGregor wrote: > Can anyone recommend a currently available 802.11b or 802.11g PCI or USB card, > for which there is a working Linux driver? > I understand about avoiding Broadcom chipsets, and I have tried using gear > with a Prism 2.5 chipset, but I have concluded that I need to know current > working devices by model number and version. What do you guys have working? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 12:09:45 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:09:45 -0500 Subject: XGL and the future of X Windows In-Reply-To: <43F68401.8030407-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060218003852.2E44C1215B7@acheron.ss.org> <43F68401.8030407@rogers.com> Message-ID: <43F70E89.3030609@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > R.R. wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> Thought some of you might be interested in this video: >> http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi (60 MB) >> >> (Original news release here: http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/) > > Curious. It won't play on SuSE 10 for legal reasons. I can't even play it in Windows Media Player! What does it require that's apparently not available in either Linux or Windows? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 12:54:26 2006 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:54:26 -0500 Subject: XGL and the future of X Windows In-Reply-To: <43F70E89.3030609-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060218003852.2E44C1215B7@acheron.ss.org> <43F68401.8030407@rogers.com> <43F70E89.3030609@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20060218075426.0ec0781d.tleslie@tcn.net> plays in a standard mplayer install using Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm:ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4) above codec details - as displayed in mplayer. -tl On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:09:45 -0500 James Knott wrote: > James Knott wrote: > > R.R. wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> Thought some of you might be interested in this video: > >> http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi (60 MB) > >> > >> (Original news release here: http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/) > > > > Curious. It won't play on SuSE 10 for legal reasons. > > I can't even play it in Windows Media Player! What does it require > that's apparently not available in either Linux or Windows? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 14:45:32 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:45:32 -0500 Subject: LoneCoder: Google: Lawful Good or Chaotic Neutral? Message-ID: <1140273932.19306.6.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> I've just posted the February article to my monthly computer column. I discuss the ethics of Google's recent business decisions and how that could impact the Linux community. You can read the article at http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder/coder_february_2006.html -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 15:10:36 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:10:36 -0500 Subject: XGL and the future of X Windows In-Reply-To: <43F70E89.3030609-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060218003852.2E44C1215B7@acheron.ss.org> <43F68401.8030407@rogers.com> <43F70E89.3030609@rogers.com> Message-ID: <43F738EC.9020204@pppoe.ca> James Knott wrote: >>R.R. wrote: >> >> >>>Hi Everyone, >>> >>>Thought some of you might be interested in this video: >>>http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi (60 MB) >>> >>>(Original news release here: http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/) >>> >>> >>Curious. It won't play on SuSE 10 for legal reasons. >> >> > >I can't even play it in Windows Media Player! What does it require >that's apparently not available in either Linux or Windows? > > It's an avi file and I'm playing it using vlc in Linux. I've got the mplayer essential codecs in /usr/lib/win32. http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 16:08:54 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:08:54 -0500 Subject: postfix help and off the blacklist Message-ID: <43F74696.6090909@alteeve.com> Hi all, A quick update first: The hacked/compromised server isn't getting spam out anymore (I told sendmail to block outgoing mail from 'apache', which is only a stop-gap). So now I am working on getting the mail and websites over to the new server. Also, as Alex suggested, I've disabled root login over SSH on the new server. As Vlad suggested I'll be installing some form of IDS on the new server (FAM I've seen but I'll compare it to Tripwire before I choose one). I'm still worried that it's a script somewhere so I'm going to move the websites one at a time and see if the spam trying to be sent stops when one is moved. If so it will narrow down what I have to look for. Today's question is about Postfix: I've finally made the switch from Sendmail after many people here suggested I do so. Of course now I am having trouble getting virtual hosting working. I'm confused about what I should be using as the 'myhostname' and such. I admit my problems are largely due to me being rather tired and frustrated about this whole mess. I've read the Postfix docs on virtual hosting but keep messing it up. As of now, mail is relaying through the server so postfix is working. Any help, even just a pointer to a more concise how-to for someone trying to virtual host multiple domains pointed at system users would be great. The postfix docs keep talking about using LDAP, SQL and such which just keeps throwing me for a loop. Thanks!! Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 01:16:45 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:16:45 -0500 Subject: how to uncompress .rar file In-Reply-To: <20060217214706.18203.qmail-23FcKNrgct6A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20060217214706.18203.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060218011645.GA3479@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 04:47:06PM -0500, hui xu wrote: > Hi, > > Anybody has experience on uncompress .rar files on linux. I have > downloaded something which contains lots of .rar files in one > directory? should I have to uncompress them one by one. is there > any command to unrar all of them with one command? Yes. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 17:16:08 2006 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:16:08 -0500 Subject: LoneCoder: Google: Lawful Good or Chaotic Neutral? In-Reply-To: <1140273932.19306.6.camel-sLtTAFnw5m7xXJQZHMdDwiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1140273932.19306.6.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: Hi, Dude, I hope you wouldn't be offended, but I have to disagree with you. I have found it even more odd that wikipedia article for google is even more critical of them than Microsoft article. The thing is, compared to other companies, google has really tried to live up to its "Do no evil" motto - atleast so far. The thing you have to understand is, we are never going to be flawless. Heck if I want, I can point to hundred of flaws with Nelson Mandela, even though I can not come up with a name of anybody who had such powers but acted equally humbly, ethically and logically. The same apply to google. Face it, there is no way one can have the amount of power that google have and avoid stepping on someone toe. In fact, if they tried that, they would fail faster than I can flip the light switch in front of me. These guys have played a far fair game than the rest of the stale companies out there. Take the China stuff for example. They negotiated with China for permission to inform their user when a search is censored. That was a very clever way of working within the limitation for the benefit of everyone. After a search, the user has two things, the scant information that google throw at them. And the knowledge something else is missing. Knowing something is missing is a vital information. It gives the user an incentive to search further. In fact, knowing something is hinden is such a strong incentive that it makes your brain crave it for the rest of your life. Second, they are not offering personalized service, making it impossible for China government to seek names like it has been happening with Yahoo!. Sometime, the best thing is it work within the system than pack up and leave. Imagine if RMS had packed up and left to the middle of nowhere because copyright was so disgusting to him. Where the heck would humanity be? As for media interview, how is that strategically important than the micromanagement that they were doing instead? Google is not going to go down as a clean company, but they sure will up the ethical standard future companies will strive to beat. That is an achivement by itself. Please don't get it personal. I really hope I didn't sound confrontational as this is something I try to do in my life William On 18/02/06, Ken Burtch wrote: > > I've just posted the February article to my monthly computer column. I > discuss the ethics of Google's recent business decisions and how that > could impact the Linux community. You can read the article at > > http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder/coder_february_2006.html > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 > Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 > http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 18:07:35 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:07:35 -0500 Subject: Usable WIFI card: PCi or USB In-Reply-To: <200602180005.10889.dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM@public.gmane.org> References: <200602180005.10889.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: <20060218180735.GB4507@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 12:05:10AM -0500, Duncan MacGregor wrote: > Can anyone recommend a currently available 802.11b or 802.11g PCI or > USB card, for which there is a working Linux driver? I understand > about avoiding Broadcom chipsets, and I have tried using gear with a > Prism 2.5 chipset, but I have concluded that I need to know current > working devices by model number and version. What do you guys have > working? What I have is - Airlink AWLH3026 -- Ralink 2561 (PCI) - Airlink AWLL3026 -- ZyDAS 1211 (USB) You have to download the source and compile. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 18:10:38 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:10:38 -0500 Subject: About Google In-Reply-To: References: <1140273932.19306.6.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: <200602181310.38655.interlug@weait.net> What Kihara Muriithi contributed to the list from a Gmail account: > Hi, > Dude, I hope you wouldn't be offended, but I have to disagree > with you. [other nice things about Google.] > ... we are never going to be flawless. ... The same apply to > google. ... That is an achivement by itself. ... Please don't > get it [more nice things about Google.] personal. I really hope > I didn't sound confrontational > William What Kihara Muriithi actually typed in the browser at Gmail, to send to this list: Hi, Dude, good article. I've had questions about Google's behavior and don't like some of the things I've seen from them lately. William "Google. We may be Evil, but you gotta' love our filtering technology!" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 18:38:15 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:38:15 -0500 Subject: LoneCoder: Google: Lawful Good or Chaotic Neutral? In-Reply-To: References: <1140273932.19306.6.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: <1140287895.3407.20.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> On Sat, 2006-02-18 at 12:16 -0500, Kihara Muriithi wrote: > Google is not going to go down as a clean company, but they sure will > up the ethical standard future companies will strive to beat. That is > an achivement by itself. > Please don't get it personal. I really hope I didn't sound > confrontational as this is something I try to do in my life > > William Thanks for the response....are you're saying that Google's motto should be "Don't be too evil" instead of "Don't be evil"? :) Well, as I said in the article, if someone claims to be good, I expect them to admit when they screw up and to take a stand for what is excellent and honourable. Google made mistakes, but when has Google done a 180 turn on those mistakes? When they don't answer to anyone, they don't have to. That's when you find out the measure of a person. Even Microsoft can claim that they believe in "Don't be too evil"--like the "Get the Facts" campaign against Linux. Should we forgive Redmond for their little errors in the FUD because they're trying hard not to be "too evil"? I don't see the basis for your glowing praise of Google making the world a better place. "Don't be evil" is no different than what every company says. It's the lowest common denominator, not a standard of excellence. Ken B. P.S. Do you mind if I cross-post your message to my Linux Cafe message board? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From imranqau-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 20:06:17 2006 From: imranqau-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Muhammad Imran) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:06:17 +0000 Subject: LoneCoder: Google: Lawful Good or Chaotic Neutral? Message-ID: >Thanks for the response....are you're saying that Google's motto should >be "Don't be too evil" instead of "Don't be evil"? :) > >Well, as I said in the article, if someone claims to be good, I expect >them to admit when they screw up and to take a stand for what is >excellent and honourable. Google made mistakes, but when has Google >done a 180 turn on those mistakes? When they don't answer to anyone, >they don't have to. That's when you find out the measure of a person. > >Even Microsoft can claim that they believe in "Don't be too evil"--like >the "Get the Facts" campaign against Linux. Should we forgive Redmond >for their little errors in the FUD because they're trying hard not to be >"too evil"? > >I don't see the basis for your glowing praise of Google making the world >a better place. "Don't be evil" is no different than what every company >says. It's the lowest common denominator, not a standard of >excellence. > How many people have quit their jobs because their companies are doing business with China or other countries with oppressive governments? [ almost every government on earth today is oppressive to an extent in one way or the other ]. Criticism is the easiest job. Living a life of principle is not, [ especially when almost everybody around you is not ]. Practically what you are saying is "Boycott the oxygen because its contaminated"? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 20:29:02 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:29:02 -0500 Subject: LoneCoder: Google: Lawful Good or Chaotic Neutral? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99a6c38f0602181229x338e9d2biddbe44fcfa74dc0c@mail.gmail.com> On 2/18/06, Muhammad Imran wrote: > How many people have quit their jobs because their companies are doing > business with China or other countries with oppressive governments? [ almost > every government on earth today is oppressive to an extent in one way or the > other ]. Tangent - Why does it feel like Canada is perpetually in limbo? > Criticism is the easiest job. Living a life of principle is not, [ > especially when almost everybody around you is not ]. Agreed, except for the part about everybody. > Practically what you are saying is "Boycott the oxygen because its > contaminated"? Boycotting the oxygen would be a vector for action, which might shake loose a solution to the problem. Inaction and indecision are the ones I'd worry about. (see first point) Herein lies the value of "open communities" in my eyes. I love google, but don't understand a bunch of their actions. So be it. I don't work for them and have my own fish to fry. So while people are talking about it, is there a better solution than "boycotting the oxygen?" -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 20:41:56 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:41:56 -0500 Subject: LoneCoder: Google: Lawful Good or Chaotic Neutral? In-Reply-To: <1140287895.3407.20.camel-sLtTAFnw5m7xXJQZHMdDwiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1140273932.19306.6.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <1140287895.3407.20.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: <43F78694.3000609@telly.org> I have to side with Kihara. "Don't do evil" is _not_ a universal theme in business, unless you extend it to "don't do evil to our shareholders". The compelling drive is what is cynically referred to as "building shareholder value", whether it's in dividends or the value of the stock. Serving customers and obeying the law are merely methods to achieve the primary goal. Being ethical, for the sake of more than PR, is most certainly not a constant in the business world. There are most certainly businesses who, while successful, have made ethical practise more than a slogan -- while the PR from such behaviour is great for the bottom line, for the business it's a result rather than a cause of "doing the right thing". One company that comes to mind quickly in this regard is The Body Shop and its company-wide policy against animal testing. Every company wants to be known as ethical, because not being seen that way is bad PR. So the way to measure the seriousness of the claim to by judging actions rather than words. By most metrics in this regard, ethical comparison of Microsoft and Google is IMO downright absurd. There is a big difference between "trying to do good but not always getting it just right" and "doing evil while calling it good". I don't see Google accused of using drug-pusher tactics in the developing world, an analogy often (and IMO with good reason) applied to Microsoft. So Cringely had problems getting an interview in 2004. As has been suggested, this may be more a matter of being overwhelmed than a desire to create a compound somewhere with a big shark tank and a self-destruct mechanism. I certainly had no problem getting access to Brin in 1999, before the bandwagon effect set in: http://www.opticality.com/Press/ZopeCorp/ZDNet990723/view Sure, Google is out to make a buck. But I don't see it trying to do that through the advocacy of two-tier email, claims of "open" standards that really aren't, or currying favour by voluntarily handling personal detail to governments, as its competitors have been accused of doing. It is valuable to continue to keep a cynical eye trained on Google? Of course, if for no other reasons than the possibility that one day the company's visionaries may get overwhelmed by the bean-counters. Once upon a time Caldera, the company that is now SCO, was run by good guys too. However, so far I have not seen much to indicate that Google has in any significant way broken its motto. Complaint about their transparency may be somewhat valid, though I would suggest that it's more accessible than companies that are actually regulated for the sake of the "public good" (broadcasters, utilities. etc.). Still, arguments with the company's decision-making processes don't bear any logical relation to issues of ethics. They owe accountability for their ethics to nobody but themselves; the rest of us are bystanders unless you own stock in them or their competitors. If you want to debate the specific activities you mentioned as lapses of ethics, bring 'em on. I certainly don't agree with the assertion that Google is "attempting to acquire control over all forms of media including music, books and email". In my own research on some of the battles between Google and "rights holders" on intellectual property issues, I (and I imagine most fans of free software would) certainly find more affinity with Google's positions. Google is a nice, comfortable target which has probably grown too big, too quickly, for its own good. It's resisted direct attack from some of the biggest players in IT. Moreover, given its claimed intent to act ethically, it's under tighter scrutiny than most other companies who admit they're just out to make a buck. So scrutiny is natural and attack is inevitable. Sure, one can complain that Google's aim is not to be Sergey Brin's definition of evil, and that may not always jive with how you or I would define the term. Still, on the balance I think the Internet is at least a slightly better place to be because Google is around. So far the ethics I've personally evaluated have not disappointed. And, on the whole, I'm personally willing to cut some slack to a company that has clearly become bigger than it expected to be. If, in the long run, Google *does* disappoint, well that's why the marketplace exists. I'm not a shareholder, so it doesn't matter to me if one day someone else does to Google what it's been doing to Microsoft and AOL. - Evan PS: As for the Linux references, I note that Google is still the only system of its type and scale to provide a Linux-specific search facility (www.goggle.com/linux), which has been around intact since almost day one. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 20:56:49 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:56:49 -0500 Subject: XGL and the future of X Windows In-Reply-To: <43F738EC.9020204-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <20060218003852.2E44C1215B7@acheron.ss.org> <43F68401.8030407@rogers.com> <43F70E89.3030609@rogers.com> <43F738EC.9020204@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <43F78A11.2060906@rogers.com> Meng Cheah wrote: > James Knott wrote: > >>> R.R. wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> Thought some of you might be interested in this video: >>>> http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi (60 MB) >>>> >>>> (Original news release here: http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/) >>>> >>> Curious. It won't play on SuSE 10 for legal reasons. >>> >> >> I can't even play it in Windows Media Player! What does it require >> that's apparently not available in either Linux or Windows? >> >> > It's an avi file and I'm playing it using vlc in Linux. > I've got the mplayer essential codecs in /usr/lib/win32. > > http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html Well, I'm running SUSE 10. I don't generally get involved with multimedia stuff, as that's not an area I'm interested in. It won't play on SUSE 10 and it won't play on XP with WMP 10 and latest updates, so I guess they don't want anyone to play it. I've got better ways of wasting my time, than messing with a video that doesn't want to play and they don't even mention anywhere that I can see, what's required to play it. Even WMP has no idea what codec is required. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 21:05:05 2006 From: behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:05:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: XGL and the future of X Windows In-Reply-To: <43F78A11.2060906-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060218003852.2E44C1215B7@acheron.ss.org> <43F68401.8030407@rogers.com> <43F70E89.3030609@rogers.com> <43F738EC.9020204@pppoe.ca> <43F78A11.2060906@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, James Knott wrote: > >>>> Thought some of you might be interested in this video: > >>>> http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi (60 MB) > > Well, I'm running SUSE 10. I don't generally get involved with > multimedia stuff, as that's not an area I'm interested in. It won't > play on SUSE 10 and it won't play on XP with WMP 10 and latest updates, > so I guess they don't want anyone to play it. I've got better ways of > wasting my time, than messing with a video that doesn't want to play and > they don't even mention anywhere that I can see, what's required to play > it. Even WMP has no idea what codec is required. All you need is the XviD codec, which is Free Software: http://www.xvid.org/ And that's right in the URL I believe. --behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 21:27:43 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:27:43 -0500 Subject: XGL and the future of X Windows In-Reply-To: References: <20060218003852.2E44C1215B7@acheron.ss.org> <43F68401.8030407@rogers.com> <43F70E89.3030609@rogers.com> <43F738EC.9020204@pppoe.ca> <43F78A11.2060906@rogers.com> Message-ID: <43F7914F.7090502@rogers.com> Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, James Knott wrote: > >>>>>> Thought some of you might be interested in this video: >>>>>> http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi (60 MB) >> Well, I'm running SUSE 10. I don't generally get involved with >> multimedia stuff, as that's not an area I'm interested in. It won't >> play on SUSE 10 and it won't play on XP with WMP 10 and latest updates, >> so I guess they don't want anyone to play it. I've got better ways of >> wasting my time, than messing with a video that doesn't want to play and >> they don't even mention anywhere that I can see, what's required to play >> it. Even WMP has no idea what codec is required. > > All you need is the XviD codec, which is Free Software: > > http://www.xvid.org/ > > And that's right in the URL I believe. > > --behdad > http://behdad.org/ Well, I have installed xvid, which got me absolutely nothing. As for "xvid" being in the URL, that means absolutely nothing to someone, such as myself, who has no interest whatsoever in multimedia, except as a tool to play files. I am only a MM user, who's not interested in having to track down the latest codec etc. If it doesn't play with what I've got or can easily add, I'm not interested. There are many MM formats that play well in SUSE, right out of the box or in Windows. Why should this file be so difficult for someone who has no interest in MM stuff to play? What's wrong with the existing formats that already play on my systems? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 22:24:42 2006 From: behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:24:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: XGL and the future of X Windows In-Reply-To: <43F7914F.7090502-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060218003852.2E44C1215B7@acheron.ss.org> <43F68401.8030407@rogers.com> <43F70E89.3030609@rogers.com> <43F738EC.9020204@pppoe.ca> <43F78A11.2060906@rogers.com> <43F7914F.7090502@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, James Knott wrote: > Well, I have installed xvid, which got me absolutely nothing. As for > "xvid" being in the URL, that means absolutely nothing to someone, such > as myself, who has no interest whatsoever in multimedia, except as a > tool to play files. I am only a MM user, who's not interested in having > to track down the latest codec etc. If it doesn't play with what I've > got or can easily add, I'm not interested. There are many MM formats > that play well in SUSE, right out of the box or in Windows. Why should > this file be so difficult for someone who has no interest in MM stuff to > play? What's wrong with the existing formats that already play on my > systems? The only widespread video compression formats that compress significantly better than MPEG are DivX, Mpeg4, XviD, Theora, and Real, Microsoft, and Apple formats. Of these, only XviD and Theora are not patented AND can be replayed using Free Software. Of these two, Theora is significantly harder to get played on non-Linux systems. That leaves you with XviD. It's nothing new either, it has been in use as a Free alternative to DivX for a few years... If you are not happy that it doesn't play on your operating system, the right to talk about it (other than asking for advice) is your operating system's bugtracking system or video publisher's one (and those happen to be very near in this case). None of them follow TLUG mailing list I believe. --behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 22:26:41 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:26:41 -0500 Subject: LoneCoder: Google: Lawful Good or Chaotic Neutral? In-Reply-To: <43F78694.3000609-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <1140273932.19306.6.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <1140287895.3407.20.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <43F78694.3000609@telly.org> Message-ID: <1140301601.6625.43.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> On Sat, 2006-02-18 at 15:41 -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I have to side with Kihara. Thanks for your comments, Evan. > "Don't do evil" is _not_ a universal theme in business, unless you > extend it to "don't do evil to our shareholders". The compelling drive > is what is cynically referred to as "building shareholder value", > whether it's in dividends or the value of the stock. Serving customers > and obeying the law are merely methods to achieve the primary goal. > Being ethical, for the sake of more than PR, is most certainly not a > constant in the business world. Remember we're talking about "evil" in two different senses. In the Google sense, this is not wrongdoing but questioning or going against the will of the controlling body or people. That is, perhaps, "Don't do what the board of directors or CEO don't want." In the wrongdoing sense, I've worked in many businesses over the years and I've never heard anyone say, "We're here in business to damage our customers, our suppliers and the world in which we operate." What I've heard is, "We're forced to do damage because [insert some reason]." Such companies don't see the actions as active evil but see themselves as a victim that has to do evil, as I suggested in the original article. There is a difference between "don't do evil" and "be good". The two are not the same thing. One has to do with avoidance and the other with an active pursuit of a goal. Many companies "don't do evil" but few follow a "do good" policy. To "do good" requires an investment. So in both senses, "Don't do evil" is a common theme in business. > There are most certainly businesses who, while successful, have made > ethical practise more than a slogan -- while the PR from such behaviour > is great for the bottom line, for the business it's a result rather than > a cause of "doing the right thing". One company that comes to mind > quickly in this regard is The Body Shop and its company-wide policy > against animal testing. I didn't say there weren't ethical organizations, only that they were rare. If you've read my unfinished book, "The Big Online Book of Running a Linux Startup", I address this in discussions on the 127 rule. > Every company wants to be known as ethical, because not being seen that > way is bad PR. So the way to measure the seriousness of the claim to by > judging actions rather than words. By most metrics in this regard, > ethical comparison of Microsoft and Google is IMO downright absurd. > There is a big difference between "trying to do good but not always > getting it just right" and "doing evil while calling it good". I don't > see Google accused of using drug-pusher tactics in the developing world, > an analogy often (and IMO with good reason) applied to Microsoft. Google never claimed to be good. In what way do you see Google as being good? As I asked in my article, how are they diverting resources and people into pursing the goal of being a good company? Pursuing any kind of excellence requires effort. Microsoft, I don't believe, has an official policy on being evil. In what way is Microsoft different than Google? Which has responded better to decisions that hurt the community? (I'm not suggesting Microsoft is better than Google.) > So Cringely had problems getting an interview in 2004. As has been > suggested, this may be more a matter of being overwhelmed than a desire > to create a compound somewhere with a big shark tank and a self-destruct > mechanism. I certainly had no problem getting access to Brin in 1999, > before the bandwagon effect set in: > http://www.opticality.com/Press/ZopeCorp/ZDNet990723/view If Brin is no longer able to make good decisions because he's overworked, and Brin is the ultimate yardstick for what is evil, and Brin is under increasing pressure trying to carry too big a stone on his back, this raises very question I was asking in my article. A person with no time to weight the ethics of a decision is a person making unethical decisions--it doesn't mean that he himself is unethical, only that he hasn't employed the ethics that he has for whatever reason. > Sure, Google is out to make a buck. But I don't see it trying to do that > through the advocacy of two-tier email, claims of "open" standards that > really aren't, or currying favour by voluntarily handling personal > detail to governments, as its competitors have been accused of doing. > > It is valuable to continue to keep a cynical eye trained on Google? Of > course, if for no other reasons than the possibility that one day the > company's visionaries may get overwhelmed by the bean-counters. Once > upon a time Caldera, the company that is now SCO, was run by good guys too. > > However, so far I have not seen much to indicate that Google has in any > significant way broken its motto. Complaint about their transparency may > be somewhat valid, though I would suggest that it's more accessible than > companies that are actually regulated for the sake of the "public good" > (broadcasters, utilities. etc.). Still, arguments with the company's > decision-making processes don't bear any logical relation to issues of > ethics. This, sadly, is true. It's also true that a _lack_ of ethics doesn't guarantee good decisions either. I don't believe that Microsoft made a lot of money because of their ethics or lack thereof. > They owe accountability for their ethics to nobody but > themselves; the rest of us are bystanders unless you own stock in them > or their competitors. [snip] I'm not sure what you mean. Owning stock dictates weight in making business decisions. A corporate policy of ethics pertains to everyone the company does business with, and is an example to the same. I don't see a connection. KB -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 22:56:48 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:56:48 -0500 Subject: XGL and the future of X Windows In-Reply-To: References: <20060218003852.2E44C1215B7@acheron.ss.org> <43F68401.8030407@rogers.com> <43F70E89.3030609@rogers.com> <43F738EC.9020204@pppoe.ca> <43F78A11.2060906@rogers.com> <43F7914F.7090502@rogers.com> Message-ID: <43F7A630.6080602@rogers.com> Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, James Knott wrote: > >> Well, I have installed xvid, which got me absolutely nothing. As for >> "xvid" being in the URL, that means absolutely nothing to someone, such >> as myself, who has no interest whatsoever in multimedia, except as a >> tool to play files. I am only a MM user, who's not interested in having >> to track down the latest codec etc. If it doesn't play with what I've >> got or can easily add, I'm not interested. There are many MM formats >> that play well in SUSE, right out of the box or in Windows. Why should >> this file be so difficult for someone who has no interest in MM stuff to >> play? What's wrong with the existing formats that already play on my >> systems? > > > The only widespread video compression formats that compress > significantly better than MPEG are DivX, Mpeg4, XviD, Theora, and > Real, Microsoft, and Apple formats. Of these, only XviD and > Theora are not patented AND can be replayed using Free Software. > Of these two, Theora is significantly harder to get played on > non-Linux systems. That leaves you with XviD. It's nothing new > either, it has been in use as a Free alternative to DivX for a > few years... > > If you are not happy that it doesn't play on your operating > system, the right to talk about it (other than asking for advice) > is your operating system's bugtracking system or video > publisher's one (and those happen to be very near in this case). > None of them follow TLUG mailing list I believe. My point is that while Xvid may be technically better, there are widespread formats that do work on most computers. If someone wants their video to be watched, they should chose a format that most people will have, not necessarily the latest and greatest. I am not someone who's interested in multimedia technology. I simply want to watch certain items and have no desire to have to worry about various formats. Many, if not most computer users fall into that catagory. Perhaps someday, Xvid will be common place, but when I visited that site, I didn't see anything that indicated an easy install for a casual user. For example, I have no problem compiling packages and have done so many times. However, When I do so, I prefer to use checkinstall, so that I can build an RPM, which can then be built once and then managed by Yast. Well, Xvid won't work with checkinstall. This means that I had to use make install and I can no longer use Yast to manage that package. While I am very technically oriented and can do such things, many other users cannot. And as I mentioned, if a MM format requires going to extra lengths, then I'm not likely to watch anything produced in that format, because MM stuff is way at the bottom of my list of priorities. If you want something to be widely used, use a format that's widely used. As far as I can tell Xvid doesn't make it yet. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 18 23:07:47 2006 From: behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:07:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: XGL and the future of X Windows In-Reply-To: <43F7A630.6080602-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060218003852.2E44C1215B7@acheron.ss.org> <43F68401.8030407@rogers.com> <43F70E89.3030609@rogers.com> <43F738EC.9020204@pppoe.ca> <43F78A11.2060906@rogers.com> <43F7914F.7090502@rogers.com> <43F7A630.6080602@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, James Knott wrote: > Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > > The only widespread video compression formats that compress > > significantly better than MPEG are DivX, Mpeg4, XviD, Theora, and > > Real, Microsoft, and Apple formats. Of these, only XviD and > > Theora are not patented AND can be replayed using Free Software. > > Of these two, Theora is significantly harder to get played on > > non-Linux systems. That leaves you with XviD. It's nothing new > > either, it has been in use as a Free alternative to DivX for a > > few years... > > > > If you are not happy that it doesn't play on your operating > > system, the right to talk about it (other than asking for advice) > > is your operating system's bugtracking system or video > > publisher's one (and those happen to be very near in this case). > > None of them follow TLUG mailing list I believe. > > My point is that while Xvid may be technically better, there are > widespread formats that do work on most computers. If someone wants > their video to be watched, they should chose a format that most people > will have, not necessarily the latest and greatest. I am not someone > who's interested in multimedia technology. I simply want to watch > certain items and have no desire to have to worry about various formats. > Many, if not most computer users fall into that catagory. Perhaps > someday, Xvid will be common place, but when I visited that site, I > didn't see anything that indicated an easy install for a casual user. > For example, I have no problem compiling packages and have done so many > times. However, When I do so, I prefer to use checkinstall, so that I > can build an RPM, which can then be built once and then managed by Yast. > Well, Xvid won't work with checkinstall. This means that I had to use > make install and I can no longer use Yast to manage that package. While > I am very technically oriented and can do such things, many other users > cannot. And as I mentioned, if a MM format requires going to extra > lengths, then I'm not likely to watch anything produced in that format, > because MM stuff is way at the bottom of my list of priorities. I listed all the widespread formats above, and the reason why each one cannot be used or whatever, but you keep saying "there are widespread formats that do work on most computers", so which are these? I know there are formats that play on most of Windows systems, but I won't be surprised if no such format is used to demo a Linux technology. It's easy to say "there are things that do that", it's harder to point out one. > If you want something to be widely used, use a format that's widely > used. As far as I can tell Xvid doesn't make it yet. Debian, Ubuntu, and Fedora users can get it installed using a single command invocation. For SuSE, ask SuSE community. --behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 00:51:01 2006 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:51:01 -0500 Subject: LoneCoder: Google: Lawful Good or Chaotic Neutral? In-Reply-To: <1140287895.3407.20.camel-sLtTAFnw5m7xXJQZHMdDwiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1140273932.19306.6.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <1140287895.3407.20.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: Ken, >I don't see the basis for your glowing praise of Google making the world >a better place. "Don't be evil" is no different than what every company I do think their electronic books will be very helpful. Sometimes back, I wanted to buy a relative a gift and since he is doing automotive engineering, I decided to buy him a hybrid/hydrogen textbook - a strategic investment on his side. I didn't know any good book and the local book stores have very limited choices. Searching "hybrid vehicle" on google search allowed me to look at a wide range of books, that I can read 2 or 3 pages, appendix and table of content I think you are against this, but I don't see anything wrong. I do go to bookstore and do exertly what google is offering me - in fact, I have read entire books, leave alone 2 pages right in the book store. Why is this then being considered evil? Its what Joseph Stiglitz would call reducing information asymmetry. It really help every body except bad authors. As for BMW, look at it from the users point of view for a second. Can you call their action evil? What would you do if I came and started selling counterfeit merchandise infront of your house? You would probabily do what google did, tell me to take my business somewhere else. I think we have a problem in the world in that what is ethical varies between people. Some people sincerely believe the Russian oligarchs were ethical business people, even with all the miseries they have caused to Russian. Its very alien to me. But, I will give you a way to differentiate google with Microsoft. Microsoft issues hurting the weak and invisible man. Google critism are mainly about disturbing "the way things are done here" That is why I feel they are bettering the world. > P.S. Do you mind if I cross-post your message to my Linux Cafe message > board? Sorry I responded late, but I wouldn't have minded. William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 02:12:41 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:12:41 -0600 Subject: New computer, easier with Linux Message-ID: <1e55af990602181812r4eeb632t116ade9abaea5a10@mail.gmail.com> I just bought my first computer. In the past, I've always upgraded part by part. This time I went out and got a bunch of new parts all at once. In years gone by, upgrading was a harrowing experience. Jumpers on IDE cards, IRQ conflicts, drivers drivers drivers.. later on, deciding to "do everything over again" and reinstall windows was a hideous experience. Now.. all these computer bits are way better designed. The case I bought didn't cut me once, had all the right connections in all the right places.. all the pieces fit together snugly.. the processor wasn't hell to get in place (Does anyone else remember using a fork to get a 386/486 processor unseated?) Even the heatsink was a trivial thing to get in place. These new fangled heatsinks and fans used to be so horrible to get installed.. Slap in a Linux liveboot cd.. everything is detected automatically. No more manually reinstalling drivers for me, thanks. I decided to reinstall my setup (because I suspected some issues and didn't want to bother playing) 10 minutes later it's installed. 2 minutes of tweaking to get a couple of apps installed from source, a couple minutes more to get some other packages installed. And that's it. My old user data is all nice and snug in place.. no more reconfiguring things. This upgrade experience is head and shoulders above anything else I've ever dreamed of. Yay! Btw, the Antec Lifestyle Overture II is not nearly as quiet as it is touted to be.. all the holes in all the right places for venting heat.. and sound. =/ The Sonata Piano Black Mid-Tower is quite a bit quieter imo. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 02:22:25 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:22:25 -0500 Subject: New computer, easier with Linux In-Reply-To: <1e55af990602181812r4eeb632t116ade9abaea5a10-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990602181812r4eeb632t116ade9abaea5a10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43F7D661.8040401@utoronto.ca> Sy Ali wrote: > I just bought my first computer. In the past, I've always upgraded > part by part. This time I went out and got a bunch of new parts all > at once. I'd like to try that sometime. Specs? > Now.. all these computer bits are way better designed. The case I > bought didn't cut me once, had all the right connections in all the > right places.. all the pieces fit together snugly.. the processor > wasn't hell to get in place (Does anyone else remember using a fork to > get a 386/486 processor unseated?) Even the heatsink was a trivial > thing to get in place. These new fangled heatsinks and fans used to > be so horrible to get installed.. I was happy when manufacturers started putting tabs on all 3 sides of the HSF clip -- I can remember gouging a motherboard with a screwdriver once before they implemented that handy feature (board still works though!). > Slap in a Linux liveboot cd.. everything is detected automatically. > No more manually reinstalling drivers for me, thanks. I decided to > reinstall my setup (because I suspected some issues and didn't want to > bother playing) 10 minutes later it's installed. 2 minutes of > tweaking to get a couple of apps installed from source, a couple > minutes more to get some other packages installed. And that's it. My > old user data is all nice and snug in place.. no more reconfiguring > things. PCLinuxOS? Might have to give it a try sometime, you say consistently good things about it, and I've read and heard other good reviews as well. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 02:43:50 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:43:50 -0600 Subject: New computer, easier with Linux In-Reply-To: <43F7D661.8040401-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990602181812r4eeb632t116ade9abaea5a10@mail.gmail.com> <43F7D661.8040401@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1e55af990602181843u7de88e93r550b85ae23cc8a57@mail.gmail.com> On 2/18/06, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Sy Ali wrote: > > I just bought my first computer. In the past, I've always upgraded > > part by part. This time I went out and got a bunch of new parts all > > at once. > > I'd like to try that sometime. Specs? * AMD Sempron 3300+ 64Bit 2.0GHz Socket 754 128KB L2 Cache 1600MHz HT [1] ** Whoops, I got the wrong one. I should have gotten the 3400+ because it has a 256kB L2 Cache. Dammit. =( * Asus K8N Socket 754 NVIDIA nForce3 Pro 250 w/ DDR400, LAN, SATA RAID, 8-Ch Audio [2] * 2x Crucial Memory 512 MB DIMM 184-pin DDR 400 MHz / PC3200 CL3 2.5 V unbuffered [3] * Antec Lifestyle Overture II Piano Black 450W [4] I used my existing hard and optical drives. The case comes with a very very good power supply. The lot cost me under $540 including tax. I paid by credit card, otherwise it's 2% off for cash. > > Slap in a Linux liveboot cd.. everything is detected automatically. > PCLinuxOS? Might have to give it a try sometime, you say consistently > good things about it, and I've read and heard other good reviews as well. Yeppers. I'm very very happy with it. It's been a few revisions since I tried it, and it just keeps getting better.. [1] http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=007661&cid=CPU.183 [2] http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=005537&cid=MB.259 [3] http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=007785&cid=RAM.178 [4] http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=007065&cid=CS.897 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 03:05:24 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:05:24 -0500 Subject: XGL and the future of X Windows In-Reply-To: <43F738EC.9020204-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <20060218003852.2E44C1215B7@acheron.ss.org> <43F68401.8030407@rogers.com> <43F70E89.3030609@rogers.com> <43F738EC.9020204@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <43F7E074.6040801@georgetown.wehave.net> Meng Cheah wrote: > It's an avi file and I'm playing it using vlc in Linux. > I've got the mplayer essential codecs in /usr/lib/win32. It plays fine in pure 64bit ubuntu even without the win32 stuff (which cannot work on 64bit). At least I think it works, unless there was supposed to be sound? I didn't have the patience to watch the whole thing, looks cool but I (not into eye-candy) lost interest rather quickly. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 04:30:09 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:30:09 -0500 Subject: New computer, easier with Linux In-Reply-To: <1e55af990602181843u7de88e93r550b85ae23cc8a57-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990602181812r4eeb632t116ade9abaea5a10@mail.gmail.com> <43F7D661.8040401@utoronto.ca> <1e55af990602181843u7de88e93r550b85ae23cc8a57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43F7F451.4070509@utoronto.ca> Sy Ali wrote: > On 2/18/06, Jamon Camisso wrote: >> Sy Ali wrote: >>> I just bought my first computer. In the past, I've always upgraded >>> part by part. This time I went out and got a bunch of new parts all >>> at once. >> I'd like to try that sometime. Specs? > > * AMD Sempron 3300+ 64Bit 2.0GHz Socket 754 128KB L2 Cache 1600MHz HT [1] > ** Whoops, I got the wrong one. I should have gotten the 3400+ because > it has a 256kB L2 Cache. Dammit. =( > > * Asus K8N Socket 754 NVIDIA nForce3 Pro 250 w/ DDR400, LAN, SATA > RAID, 8-Ch Audio [2] Tigerdirect had a deal that I opted for -- that motherboard, a 3700+ 2.4 Clawhammer, for around $300 -- I've got the same motherboard and can't say enough good things about it and the kernel support, and might just as well have the same processor since 64bit doesn't seem to make much difference for most things that I'm doing. > * 2x Crucial Memory 512 MB DIMM 184-pin DDR 400 MHz / PC3200 CL3 2.5 V > unbuffered [3] Hmm, I've got to upgrade from my old pc2700. > * Antec Lifestyle Overture II Piano Black 450W [4] Sonata here -- the 120mm fan make more noise drawing air through the case than the cpu fan and videocard fans combined on my system. > I used my existing hard and optical drives. The case comes with a > very very good power supply. The lot cost me under $540 including > tax. I paid by credit card, otherwise it's 2% off for cash. I reuse my old drives too. > >>> Slap in a Linux liveboot cd.. everything is detected automatically. > > >> PCLinuxOS? Might have to give it a try sometime, you say consistently >> good things about it, and I've read and heard other good reviews as well. > > Yeppers. I'm very very happy with it. It's been a few revisions > since I tried it, and it just keeps getting better.. I'm a Kubuntu fan for my home computers I must admit, but I'm dl'ing PCLOS as I type this. I just happen to have an unused hard drive waiting patiently beside me too ;) Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 04:36:02 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:36:02 -0500 Subject: XGL and the future of X Windows In-Reply-To: <43F7E074.6040801-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <20060218003852.2E44C1215B7@acheron.ss.org> <43F68401.8030407@rogers.com> <43F70E89.3030609@rogers.com> <43F738EC.9020204@pppoe.ca> <43F7E074.6040801@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <43F7F5B2.50209@utoronto.ca> Fraser Campbell wrote: > Meng Cheah wrote: > >> It's an avi file and I'm playing it using vlc in Linux. >> I've got the mplayer essential codecs in /usr/lib/win32. > > It plays fine in pure 64bit ubuntu even without the win32 stuff (which > cannot work on 64bit). At least I think it works, unless there was > supposed to be sound? No sound. > I didn't have the patience to watch the whole thing, looks cool but I > (not into eye-candy) lost interest rather quickly. With Ubuntu you also need an nvidia card newer than a 5200FX unless you want to compile from CVS. Even then you need to use Dapper from what I can tell. Would be nice though. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 05:23:27 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:23:27 -0500 Subject: XGL and the future of X Windows In-Reply-To: <43F7A630.6080602-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060218003852.2E44C1215B7@acheron.ss.org> <43F68401.8030407@rogers.com> <43F70E89.3030609@rogers.com> <43F738EC.9020204@pppoe.ca> <43F78A11.2060906@rogers.com> <43F7914F.7090502@rogers.com> <43F7A630.6080602@rogers.com> Message-ID: <43F800CF.3040300@utoronto.ca> There are other formats here: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Feb-07-1.html Ivan. James Knott wrote: > Behdad Esfahbod wrote: >> On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, James Knott wrote: >> >>> Well, I have installed xvid, which got me absolutely nothing. As for >>> "xvid" being in the URL, that means absolutely nothing to someone, such >>> as myself, who has no interest whatsoever in multimedia, except as a >>> tool to play files. I am only a MM user, who's not interested in having >>> to track down the latest codec etc. If it doesn't play with what I've >>> got or can easily add, I'm not interested. There are many MM formats >>> that play well in SUSE, right out of the box or in Windows. Why should >>> this file be so difficult for someone who has no interest in MM stuff to >>> play? What's wrong with the existing formats that already play on my >>> systems? >> >> The only widespread video compression formats that compress >> significantly better than MPEG are DivX, Mpeg4, XviD, Theora, and >> Real, Microsoft, and Apple formats. Of these, only XviD and >> Theora are not patented AND can be replayed using Free Software. >> Of these two, Theora is significantly harder to get played on >> non-Linux systems. That leaves you with XviD. It's nothing new >> either, it has been in use as a Free alternative to DivX for a >> few years... >> >> If you are not happy that it doesn't play on your operating >> system, the right to talk about it (other than asking for advice) >> is your operating system's bugtracking system or video >> publisher's one (and those happen to be very near in this case). >> None of them follow TLUG mailing list I believe. > > My point is that while Xvid may be technically better, there are > widespread formats that do work on most computers. If someone wants > their video to be watched, they should chose a format that most people > will have, not necessarily the latest and greatest. I am not someone > who's interested in multimedia technology. I simply want to watch > certain items and have no desire to have to worry about various formats. > Many, if not most computer users fall into that catagory. Perhaps > someday, Xvid will be common place, but when I visited that site, I > didn't see anything that indicated an easy install for a casual user. > For example, I have no problem compiling packages and have done so many > times. However, When I do so, I prefer to use checkinstall, so that I > can build an RPM, which can then be built once and then managed by Yast. > Well, Xvid won't work with checkinstall. This means that I had to use > make install and I can no longer use Yast to manage that package. While > I am very technically oriented and can do such things, many other users > cannot. And as I mentioned, if a MM format requires going to extra > lengths, then I'm not likely to watch anything produced in that format, > because MM stuff is way at the bottom of my list of priorities. > > If you want something to be widely used, use a format that's widely > used. As far as I can tell Xvid doesn't make it yet. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 05:44:05 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:44:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Usable WIFI card: PCi or USB In-Reply-To: <200602180005.10889.dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM@public.gmane.org> References: <200602180005.10889.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: <87bqx3c38c.fsf@gmail.com> Duncan> Can anyone recommend a currently available 802.11b or 802.11g Duncan> PCI or USB card, for which there is a working Linux driver? I Duncan> understand about avoiding Broadcom chipsets, and I have tried Duncan> using gear with a Prism 2.5 chipset, but I have concluded that I Duncan> need to know current working devices by model number and Duncan> version. What do you guys have working? Not what you want to hear, but: When I was all excited about wireless 2 years ago and wanted to put my under-desktop on a wireless network, I found it hard just like you did. Eventually I bought a Linksys wireless-ethernet bridge. That way I connected to the wlan with my ethernet card. The bridge was ridiculously expensive (cost more than the wireless router) but otherwise I'd probably have bought at least one wlan card which wouldn't work so it would've come to the same thing. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From verbum-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 07:06:31 2006 From: verbum-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (verbum-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 07:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: USB memory stick: what brand, model is best? Message-ID: I hope to go shopping 2006-02-20 in the vicinity of the U of Toronto downtown campus for a USB memory stick, as an accessory for my Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 "Sarge" workstation. The workstation is implemented with hardware that was new in the year 2000 (ASUS motherboard with two USB sockets labelled "RJ-45"). A stick capacity of at least 512 MB would be nice. Awkwardly, I don't have any experience with USB memory sticks, and SOME caution evidently has to be exercised when shopping; *a____Jason Shein on this list reported on 2005-04-08 finding problems with Kingston 512mb Data Traveller *b____Lennart Sorensen on this list said on 2005-06-21 that ((QUOTE)) there are lots of usb-storage compatible memory sticks for usb and almost all of them do work with linux just fine. Some are much better designed than others though. ((/QUOTE)) Can anyone make a shopping recommendation? Advice on brands and models would be welcome, esepcially from anyone succesfully using a USB stick with Debian 3.1 "Sarge". Sincerely, Tom Karmo +1 416-971-6955 verbum-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org http://www.metascientia.com ham callsign (esp 442.975 MHz Wednesdays 20:00 EST) VA3KMZ PS: For what it's worth, I'll append here my rough research notes from http://www.linuxcompatible.org: ((ROUGH_NOTES)) __Sandisk Cruzer USB Mini FlashDrive 512MB (_vendor = Sandisk) __((QUOTE)) Sandisk Cruzer USB Mini FlashDrive 512MB, Model SDCZ2-512-A10 No problems, preloaded with fat16 filesystem ((/QUOTE)) __DataTraveler USB flash memory drive (_vendor = Kingston) __((QUOTE)) It works perfectly. I followed the instructions in the Flash Memor y HowTo http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Flash-Memory-HOWTO/index.html). I've had no problem. ((/QUOTE)) __MPIO HS100 1.5G USB Storage (_vendor = DigitalWay) __((QUOTE)) Works perfectly out of the box. I just plugged it into the USB port and Suse Linux 9.0 Pro recognized it and an icon appeared on the KDE desktop. Mounts/Unmount, Read/Write perfectly fine. No issues. __Netac Bootable Pro USB Pen Drive (_vendor = Netac) __((QUOTE)) Works great. ((/QUOTE)) __Samsung MP3 USB Stick 128MB (_vendor = Samsung) __((QUOTE)) It works, but sometimes not. USB Hotplug sometimes can't mount the stick. Trying again after disconnecting it is the solution. ((/QUOTE)) __SanDisk Cruzer Micro 512 MB (_vendor = SanDisk) __((QUOTE)) Linux will not read the device when it is plugged in and there is no way to access it. ((/QUOTE)) __((QUOTE)) This device works great using Slackware 10.0 and Linux kernel 2.6.10. ((/QUOTE)) __SanDisk ImageMate Compact Flash USB (_vendor = SanDisk) __((QUOTE)) Debian GNU/Linux : hotplugging does not work, so everytime you have inserted a compact flash card you have to initialize the device: modprobe usb-storage mount /dev/sda1 /mnt __Tweakmonster USB Key Chain Drive (_vendor = Tweakmonster) __((QUOTE)) Mount the drive with: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbkey -t vfat ((/QUOTE)) ((/ROUGH_NOTES)) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 12:20:37 2006 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 07:20:37 -0500 Subject: XGL and the future of X Windows In-Reply-To: <43F70E89.3030609-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <43F68401.8030407@rogers.com> Message-ID: <43F81C45.20865.35C82D2@localhost> If you're talking about the AVI file, you have to look for something to download (widely available) that will play it. Windows Media Player (at least mine) complained a bit, but played it anyway (no sound, but I don't think I missed anything major, since it is a slide presentation). Windows no longer supports the AVI format, though they invented it. That caused other hackers to pick up the slack and to keep the format alive. The codecs and players have to be downloaded, and yes it should play in Linux. Paul King On 18 Feb 2006 at 7:09, James Knott (James Knott ) spaketh these wourdes: > James Knott wrote: > > R.R. wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> Thought some of you might be interested in this video: > >> http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi (60 MB) > >> > >> (Original news release here: http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/) > > > > Curious. It won't play on SuSE 10 for legal reasons. > > I can't even play it in Windows Media Player! What does it require > that's apparently not available in either Linux or Windows? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 12:20:37 2006 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 07:20:37 -0500 Subject: XGL and the future of X Windows In-Reply-To: <43F70E89.3030609-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <43F68401.8030407@rogers.com> Message-ID: <43F81C45.23056.35C8296@localhost> I couldn't play either mpg or ogg either. However, Flash works quite well, if you have the plugin. Paul King On 18 Feb 2006 at 7:09, James Knott (James Knott ) spaketh these wourdes: > James Knott wrote: > > R.R. wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> Thought some of you might be interested in this video: > >> http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi (60 MB) > >> > >> (Original news release here: http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/) > > > > Curious. It won't play on SuSE 10 for legal reasons. > > I can't even play it in Windows Media Player! What does it require > that's apparently not available in either Linux or Windows? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 13:21:34 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:21:34 -0500 Subject: XGL and the future of X Windows In-Reply-To: <43F800CF.3040300-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060218003852.2E44C1215B7@acheron.ss.org> <43F68401.8030407@rogers.com> <43F70E89.3030609@rogers.com> <43F738EC.9020204@pppoe.ca> <43F78A11.2060906@rogers.com> <43F7914F.7090502@rogers.com> <43F7A630.6080602@rogers.com> <43F800CF.3040300@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <43F870DE.3000203@rogers.com> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > There are other formats here: > http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Feb-07-1.html Thanks. I just watched the ogg version in Real Player. This just proves my point. Real Player is commonly available and does not require extra effort on the part of most users to view those files. I currently support users at a very large corporation and know that the vast majority will not run any video, that requires more than a couple of extra mouse clicks. To expect them to download the Xvid source and compile it, is not only extremely unreasonable, but in the vast majority of cases, impossible. So, bottom line, if you want your video watched is, at the least, use a commonly used format. If you want to use more advance formats as well, that's great, as it will then improve the availablility of that format. But also make sure that a reasonably easy install is available, as most users are unable to compile source code. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 14:03:26 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:03:26 -0500 Subject: Usable WIFI card: PCi or USB In-Reply-To: <87bqx3c38c.fsf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200602180005.10889.dbmacg@look.ca> <87bqx3c38c.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43F87AAE.2000303@rogers.com> Ian Zimmerman wrote: > Duncan> Can anyone recommend a currently available 802.11b or 802.11g > Duncan> PCI or USB card, for which there is a working Linux driver? I > Duncan> understand about avoiding Broadcom chipsets, and I have tried > Duncan> using gear with a Prism 2.5 chipset, but I have concluded that I > Duncan> need to know current working devices by model number and > Duncan> version. What do you guys have working? > > Not what you want to hear, but: > > When I was all excited about wireless 2 years ago and wanted to put my > under-desktop on a wireless network, I found it hard just like you did. > Eventually I bought a Linksys wireless-ethernet bridge. That way > I connected to the wlan with my ethernet card. > > The bridge was ridiculously expensive (cost more than the wireless > router) but otherwise I'd probably have bought at least one wlan card > which wouldn't work so it would've come to the same thing. > What I did at home was buy a cheap WiFi router, which then plugs into it's own NIC on my firewall. Since it's on the "hostile" side the firewall, I use a VPN to access my network via WiFi. This method is far more secure than WEP, which I also use, or WPA. Anyone who manages to break WEP, will then be up against my firewall and unable to reach my local network. With the same VPN, I can also have remote access from elsewhere, via the internet. Incidentally, I use OpenVPN, which is included with many Linux distros and is also available for Windows. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 14:06:36 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:06:36 -0500 Subject: USB memory stick: what brand, model is best? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43F87B6C.3000409@rogers.com> verbum-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org wrote: > I hope to go shopping 2006-02-20 in > the vicinity of the U of Toronto downtown campus > for a USB memory stick, as an accessory > for my Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 "Sarge" workstation. > The workstation is implemented with hardware > that was new in the year 2000 (ASUS motherboard > with two USB sockets labelled "RJ-45"). > A stick capacity of at least 512 MB would be nice. > > Awkwardly, I don't have any experience with USB memory sticks, > and SOME caution evidently has to be exercised when shopping; > *a____Jason Shein on this list reported on 2005-04-08 > finding problems with Kingston 512mb Data Traveller > *b____Lennart Sorensen on this list said on 2005-06-21 that > ((QUOTE)) > there are lots of usb-storage > compatible memory sticks for usb > and almost all of them > do work with linux just fine. Some are > much better designed than others though. > ((/QUOTE)) > > Can anyone make a shopping recommendation? > Advice on brands and models would be welcome, > esepcially from anyone succesfully > using a USB stick with Debian 3.1 "Sarge". Currently, you can get a 1 GB SanDisk drive from Best Buy, for $50 after rebate. I picked up one last week from Future Shop, for the same price. It works well with Linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 15:40:23 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:40:23 -0500 Subject: USB memory stick: what brand, model is best? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060219154023.GA3689@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 02:06:07AM +0000, verbum-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Can anyone make a shopping recommendation? For just storage use, any make would do. For booting, I recommend Apacer Handy Steno and Transcend JetFlash. Unfortunately, Transcend are difficult to find. Try Canada Computers. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 17:03:50 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:03:50 +0000 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista Message-ID: <43F8A4F6.7070301@zen.co.uk> Hi What has the group got planned to promote GNU/Linux before MS release vista, as that is going to get a massive publicity push for vista Just thoujght we should do something similar at around the time. Paul -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 17:16:07 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:16:07 +0200 (IST) Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <43F8A4F6.7070301-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <43F8A4F6.7070301@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Feb 2006, Paul Sutton wrote: > What has the group got planned to promote GNU/Linux before MS release vista, > as that is going to get a massive publicity push for vista Just thoujght we > should do something similar at around the time. I would suggest you wait for the Vista *BUGS* ;-) Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 17:30:28 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:30:28 -0500 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: References: <43F8A4F6.7070301@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <43F8AB34.4070902@rogers.com> Peter wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Feb 2006, Paul Sutton wrote: >> What has the group got planned to promote GNU/Linux before MS release >> vista, as that is going to get a massive publicity push for vista Just >> thoujght we should do something similar at around the time. > > I would suggest you wait for the Vista *BUGS* ;-) He shouldn't have to wait too long. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 17:46:12 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:46:12 -0500 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <43F8AB34.4070902-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <43F8A4F6.7070301@zen.co.uk> <43F8AB34.4070902@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200602191246.13067.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Sunday 19 February 2006 12:30, James Knott wrote: > Peter wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Feb 2006, Paul Sutton wrote: > >> What has the group got planned to promote GNU/Linux before MS release > >> vista, as that is going to get a massive publicity push for vista Just > >> thoujght we should do something similar at around the time. > > > > I would suggest you wait for the Vista *BUGS* ;-) > > He shouldn't have to wait too long. ;-) > -- Especially if they are using the same "quality" of coding and testing prior to release as they are doing for IE7. 15 minutes to find a security hole in the beta2. wow. http://www.pcworld.com/resource/article/0,aid,124595,pg,1,RSS,RSS,00.asp Quote: Mikko Hypponen, manager of antivirus research at F-Secure in Helsinki. "It's probably the fastest from launch to exploit that I've ever heard about," he says. Yes I know it's only a beta, but still, come on! -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 17:58:20 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:58:20 -0500 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <43F8A4F6.7070301-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <43F8A4F6.7070301@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <43F8B1BC.6080907@telly.org> Paul Sutton wrote: > Hi > > What has the group got planned to promote GNU/Linux before MS release > vista, as that is going to get a massive publicity push for vista > Just thoujght we should do something similar at around the time. Personally, I'm not sure if it's useful to put a lot of energy into something that is simply reactive. What I do think needs stressing at a more general level is that "upgrade time" for a company is one of the best opportunities to introduce FOSS. It makes little economic sense to upgrade something that is already working (reasonably) well; a company that has already spent money on its proprietary software doesn't realize a huge cost benefit moving to FOSS in mid-lifespan. But at upgrade time, the rules change. At that time companies need to consider the cost of not just the upgraded software but also related training, migration and (especially in the MS world) the required hardware upgrades necessary to run the new software. This is the point at which consideration of FOSS makes most sense on purely economic grounds. The other points (such as reduced vendor lock-in) also become issues which don't matter at other times. Most of the Microsoft "MS is cheaper than Linux arguments" compare the cost of moving to Linux (retraining, integration, etc) compared to doing nothing and staying with Windows. At upgrade time, there's no comparison. The release of Vista is the perfect opportunity IMO for Linux support companies to make a strong campaign, to keep in companies' minds the potential benefits of a "more complete upgrade". That is likely beyond the capabilities of a user group. Personally, I don't think that demonstrating in front of FutureShop on Vista release day is going to gain any real positive publicity for the FOSS community, unless we have some really good CDs to give out. (Before you upgrade, try this live CD first...) - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 18:47:53 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:47:53 +0000 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <43F8B1BC.6080907-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <43F8A4F6.7070301@zen.co.uk> <43F8B1BC.6080907@telly.org> Message-ID: <43F8BD59.2090701@zen.co.uk> When I install any operating system it requires some tweaking, with Windows I need to install the graphics card driver and then reboot with Debian I need to run a nvidia install script, if you give someone a debian cd and it fails for some reason, e.g does not pick up graphics card and gives user with a corrupt looking screen, thats their first impression which could be damaging. Somehow when an attempt to install windows involves twisting the body round to read a code on the back, and then back to type characters in, we just put up with it. An event like this says 1: Open source is out there 2: This is what it can do and potentially save you 3: There is support out there 4: There are also people out there who have the skills to support open source. These are some of the barriers to taking up something new, companies need support and the right support, by working together and including companies that support the system, you can encourage more people to take up open source, demand skills, which will then put pressure on colleges to provide training and courses to provide the required skills. What you can also demonstrate at these events is just because you use Open office writer does not mean that you can't use MS office, if you can demonstrate some real world applications of Linux it will show that it;s a serious alternative not just something used by geeks, there are lots of examples, e.g movie production, I think dreamworks do (do they have an office in ON, would they do a talk on using open source software to make films, as something like that what people relate to,) I still think Linux should be pushed on the back end replacing Windows server / exchnage etc, and then push Thunderbird, firefox Openoffice on the desktop, once people are used to using this on windows THEN think about migrating desktops to something else. Too big a chance is a big risk for companies. I think just replacing Outlook everywhere could potentially solve a lot of security problems. Just thought this would be an opportunity for advocacy, It could just be part of a normal user group meeting, , To quote : >> Hi >> >> What has the group got planned to promote GNU/Linux before MS release >> vista, as that is going to get a massive publicity push for vista >> Just thoujght we should do something similar at around the time. > > (Before you upgrade, try this live CD first...) > -Evan How about Before you upgrade, have a look at this demo of Open source. then try the live cd. if you need help, just ask on the lug. and also give them contact details of the user group. Lets not be seen as MS bashers (hard I know), lets simply do a better job of promoting something that is better, and better as a licensing model, (free as in freedom), Paul > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 19:00:55 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:00:55 -0500 Subject: postfix help and off the blacklist In-Reply-To: <43F74696.6090909-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43F74696.6090909@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <43F8C067.4050307@georgetown.wehave.net> Madison Kelly wrote: > I've finally made the switch from Sendmail after many people here > suggested I do so. Of course now I am having trouble getting virtual > hosting working. I'm confused about what I should be using as the > 'myhostname' and such. You can put almost anything in there but in general I would make sure that all of the names generally used match up. Let's say you use the name mail.alteeve.com and IP 1.2.3.4: - 4.3.2.1.in-addr.arpa. should point to mail.alteeve.com on the Internet - mail.alteeve.com should point to 1.2.3.4 on the Internet - all domains that use mail.alteeve.com should have mail.alteeve.com as primary MX (definitely not CNAMEs and IMO not even alternate A records) None of these recommendations are hard and fast requirements but they make things match up nicely and some of these recommendations are relevant to anti-spam systems. myhostname is the name that your server reports when sending email (HELO/EHLO) and receiving (welcome banners). You could set it to gibberish (not nice) and some mail would still work. > Any help, even just a pointer to a more concise how-to for someone > trying to virtual host multiple domains pointed at system users would be > great. The postfix docs keep talking about using LDAP, SQL and such > which just keeps throwing me for a loop. It's fairly simple once you get the hang of it, quick recipe: - point every domain's primary MX to your server (again I'd go with matching name from DNS PTR + myhostname + A record) - in virtual maps add a fully qualified address (LHS) pointing to a local user (RHS), like this: madison-8t3yKezk0FFBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org madison - make sure local user (madison) exists. "Local user" just means someone that can be found in local_recipient_maps (IIRC). local_recipient_maps contain passwd file by default, if you wish to add LDAP/SQL users that's doable but you have to understand the basics first - IIRC the virtual domains do not have to be listed under mydestinations ... they can be but I don't think there's a need I use mysql to host all my virtual domains, I wrote a simple web interface to let users manage their own domains, you might want to look into that eventually there's a good howto out on the net somewhere (postfix + mysql + virtual). I'm hoping to check out Zimbra eventually (which still uses postfix actually). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 19:10:30 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:10:30 -0800 Subject: XGL and the future of X Windows In-Reply-To: <20060218003852.2E44C1215B7-mb4phVZFrfSXFJAUJl40Xg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060217214706.18203.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> <20060218003852.2E44C1215B7@acheron.ss.org> Message-ID: On 2/17/06, R.R. wrote: > Thought some of you might be interested in this video: > http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi (60 MB) > > (Original news release here: http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/) Is there anything interesting about the release of some new version of the X server that runs atop OpenGL that is worth saying anything about? >From what I hear about it, there is a big downside to it namely that it requires hardware accelerated OpenGL in order to use it at all, which requires selecting graphics cards very carefully. You have to have a graphics card where the proprietary not-at-all-open 3D drivers are available and stable for Linux. Availability of stable 3D drivers on a timely basis has traditionally been a BIG problem. Furthermore, the heavy tendancy to highly proprietary drivers tends to mean that only those users that are prepared to do a lot of bootstrapping that includes building custom kernels with (nonredistributable!) patches provided by card vendors. To say that that sort of process "does not scale" grossly understates things. -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 20:03:50 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:03:50 -0500 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <43F8B1BC.6080907-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <43F8A4F6.7070301@zen.co.uk> <43F8B1BC.6080907@telly.org> Message-ID: <43F8CF26.9080402@rogers.com> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Paul Sutton wrote: > >> Hi >> >> What has the group got planned to promote GNU/Linux before MS release >> vista, as that is going to get a massive publicity push for vista >> Just thoujght we should do something similar at around the time. > > Personally, I'm not sure if it's useful to put a lot of energy into > something that is simply reactive. > > What I do think needs stressing at a more general level is that "upgrade > time" for a company is one of the best opportunities to introduce FOSS. > It makes little economic sense to upgrade something that is already > working (reasonably) well; a company that has already spent money on its > proprietary software doesn't realize a huge cost benefit moving to FOSS > in mid-lifespan. > > But at upgrade time, the rules change. At that time companies need to > consider the cost of not just the upgraded software but also related > training, migration and (especially in the MS world) the required > hardware upgrades necessary to run the new software. This is the point > at which consideration of FOSS makes most sense on purely economic > grounds. The other points (such as reduced vendor lock-in) also become > issues which don't matter at other times. > > Most of the Microsoft "MS is cheaper than Linux arguments" compare the > cost of moving to Linux (retraining, integration, etc) compared to doing > nothing and staying with Windows. At upgrade time, there's no comparison. Anyone who thinks MS is cheaper, should ask what's the cost to a business, when someone's Outlook personal folder, loaded with a Gig or more of email, goes kablooey. Also, what do viruses, worms, spyware etc., cost to erradicate? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 20:15:29 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:15:29 -0500 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <43F8CF26.9080402-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <43F8A4F6.7070301@zen.co.uk> <43F8B1BC.6080907@telly.org> <43F8CF26.9080402@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20060219201529.GA5236@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 03:03:50PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Anyone who thinks MS is cheaper, should ask what's the cost to a > business, when someone's Outlook personal folder, loaded with a Gig or > more of email, goes kablooey. Also, what do viruses, worms, spyware > etc., cost to erradicate? How many time do I have to say this! It's not cost. It's job security for all those IT staffs. Stop messing with my job, you commies! -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 20:25:16 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:25:16 -0500 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <20060219201529.GA5236-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43F8A4F6.7070301@zen.co.uk> <43F8B1BC.6080907@telly.org> <43F8CF26.9080402@rogers.com> <20060219201529.GA5236@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <43F8D42C.6040903@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 03:03:50PM -0500, James Knott wrote: >> Anyone who thinks MS is cheaper, should ask what's the cost to a >> business, when someone's Outlook personal folder, loaded with a Gig or >> more of email, goes kablooey. Also, what do viruses, worms, spyware >> etc., cost to erradicate? > > How many time do I have to say this! It's not cost. It's job security > for all those IT staffs. Stop messing with my job, you commies! > Well, I provide IT support to a very large company and I hate having to tell someone that all their lovingly saved and filed email is gone. They soon learn the value of backups or putting those personal folders on their network drive. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 19 23:58:48 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:58:48 -0500 Subject: If Google boycotted countries... Message-ID: <20060219235847.GA3995@waltdnes.org> ...that ignored international conventions, held prisoners without trial, and tortured those prisoners ...they'd have to shut down their American operations. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 01:52:28 2006 From: frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:52:28 -0500 Subject: Make some profit from a killer. In-Reply-To: <20060219235847.GA3995-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20060219235847.GA3995@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <8C803D7708D08D2-10E4-22DB7@mblkn-m11.sysops.aol.com> This is a kind of moral issue not a legal issue. In April, President Bush will shake hands with the killer from China. What you say? -----Original Message----- From: Walter Dnes To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:58:48 -0500 Subject: [TLUG]: If Google boycotted countries... ...that ignored international conventions, held prisoners without trial, and tortured those prisoners ...they'd have to shut down their American operations. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 02:01:08 2006 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:01:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Make some profit from a killer. In-Reply-To: <8C803D7708D08D2-10E4-22DB7-yIZWdUiUUloiY63CnVyJXLpta98KZJIQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060219235847.GA3995@waltdnes.org> <8C803D7708D08D2-10E4-22DB7@mblkn-m11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Feb 2006, frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > This is a kind of moral issue not a legal issue. > In April, President Bush will shake hands with the killer from China. What you say? Birds of a feather? > Subject: [TLUG]: If Google boycotted countries... > > > ....that ignored international conventions, held prisoners without trial, > and tortured those prisoners > > ....they'd have to shut down their American operations. > > -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 02:23:50 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:23:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: USB memory stick: what brand, model is best? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87bqx2hiob.fsf@gmail.com> I have a 256M SanDisk and it works perfectly. I don't remember if I ever tried to boot directly from it, though. I run etch on hardware that is also not completely modern. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 03:04:29 2006 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:04:29 -0500 Subject: linux user&developer magazine ... ?? Message-ID: <20060219220429.1eacea9f.tleslie@tcn.net> anyone know a magazine store in GTA that sells this mag? they want 90Lbs for a yearly subscription, kinda pricy, wonder what it would sell for on the rack here? www.linuxuser.co.uk (is their website) -tl -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 03:02:10 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:02:10 -0500 Subject: linux user&developer magazine ... ?? In-Reply-To: <20060219220429.1eacea9f.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20060219220429.1eacea9f.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10602191902k4bdc85d7hdd8390a6e50babce@mail.gmail.com> On 2/19/06, ted leslie wrote: > anyone know a magazine store in GTA that sells this mag? > they want 90Lbs for a yearly subscription, kinda pricy, > wonder what it would sell for on the rack here? > > www.linuxuser.co.uk (is their website) > I think I saw this magazine at the store below - might want to call and confirm: Presse Internationale (416) 531-1187 537 Bloor Street West -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 03:05:39 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:05:39 -0500 Subject: USB memory stick: what brand, model is best? In-Reply-To: <20060219154023.GA3689-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060219154023.GA3689@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10602191905y528d32cr2dbfcc8ea3b9bc20@mail.gmail.com> On 2/19/06, William Park wrote: > On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 02:06:07AM +0000, verbum-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Can anyone make a shopping recommendation? > > For just storage use, any make would do. For booting, I recommend > Apacer Handy Steno and Transcend JetFlash. Unfortunately, Transcend are > difficult to find. Try Canada Computers. > I can second the recommendation for the Apacer HandySteno - I have a 128MB stick which works fine with Linux (though I have never tried to boot from it). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 03:16:00 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:16:00 -0800 Subject: Make some profit from a killer. In-Reply-To: <8C803D7708D08D2-10E4-22DB7-yIZWdUiUUloiY63CnVyJXLpta98KZJIQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060219235847.GA3995@waltdnes.org> <8C803D7708D08D2-10E4-22DB7@mblkn-m11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On 2/19/06, frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > This is a kind of moral issue not a legal issue. > In April, President Bush will shake hands with the killer from China. What > you say? I say that if I was interested in discussions about US politics, I'd head to a mailing list or newsgroup about US politics, rather than a mailing list purportedly about Linux. But perhaps I'm wrong, and this is actually the "Let's gripe about the demerits of George W Bush" mailing list. I have been wrong before; perhaps this is one of those cases. -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 04:00:28 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:00:28 -0500 Subject: Make some profit from a killer. In-Reply-To: References: <20060219235847.GA3995@waltdnes.org> <8C803D7708D08D2-10E4-22DB7@mblkn-m11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0602192000w1c2acd9fse69b1f86df493867@mail.gmail.com> On 2/19/06, Christopher Browne wrote: > On 2/19/06, frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > > This is a kind of moral issue not a legal issue. > > In April, President Bush will shake hands with the killer from China. What > > you say? [...] > But perhaps I'm wrong, and this is actually the "Let's gripe about the > demerits of George W Bush" mailing list. I have been wrong before; > perhaps this is one of those cases. Somehow I don't think your wrong here... but I've blindly jumped on some topics and stretched the bounds of the acceptable use policy myself. I recently re-read the policy at http://www.gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists and will also try to keep the correct focus forthwith. -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From BusterThelen-YDxpq3io04c at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 06:54:11 2006 From: BusterThelen-YDxpq3io04c at public.gmane.org (BusterThelen-YDxpq3io04c at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:54:11 EST Subject: linux user&developer magazine ... ?? Message-ID: <27.3d7092a.312ac193@aol.com> In a message dated 2006-02-19 9:57:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org writes: anyone know a magazine store in GTA that sells this mag? they want 90Lbs for a yearly subscription, kinda pricy, wonder what it would sell for on the rack here? www.linuxuser.co.uk (is their website) I bought an issue in January from a newstand in Cedarbrae Mall (SW corner of Lawrence and Markham intersection in Scarborough for $18.50 Canadian. The US price on the cover is $12.99 US. It came with a CD of Damn Small Linux 2.0. Buster "And God said: ' ...aw to heck with it. I'll just do an ant farm.' " -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 07:17:27 2006 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:17:27 -0500 Subject: linux user&developer magazine ... ?? In-Reply-To: <27.3d7092a.312ac193-YDxpq3io04c@public.gmane.org> References: <27.3d7092a.312ac193@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060220021727.513efb16.tleslie@tcn.net> at 18.50 and i guess the LBS converts to 2 canadian $ .... it would be a bit cheaper or about same price to order a sub. (and more convient) but is it worth 18.50 (An issue) in your opinion? -tl On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:54:11 EST BusterThelen-YDxpq3io04c at public.gmane.org wrote: > > In a message dated 2006-02-19 9:57:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org writes: > > anyone know a magazine store in GTA that sells this mag? > they want 90Lbs for a yearly subscription, kinda pricy, > wonder what it would sell for on the rack here? > > www.linuxuser.co.uk (is their website) > > > > I bought an issue in January from a newstand in Cedarbrae Mall (SW corner of > Lawrence and Markham intersection in Scarborough for $18.50 Canadian. The > US price on the cover is $12.99 US. It came with a CD of Damn Small Linux 2.0. > > Buster > > "And God said: ' ...aw to heck with it. I'll just do an ant farm.' " > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From BusterThelen-YDxpq3io04c at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 07:54:55 2006 From: BusterThelen-YDxpq3io04c at public.gmane.org (BusterThelen-YDxpq3io04c at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:54:55 EST Subject: linux user&developer magazine ... ?? Message-ID: <257.6b2cdc0.312acfcf@aol.com> In a message dated 2006-02-20 2:10:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org writes: is it worth 18.50 (An issue) in your opinion? No, but that's just me, a neophyte in Linuxland. Perhaps there are others out there who can comment more knowingly on its content. Here's what's in the issue I obtained (#57): Cover Feature: Patents, the commons and the theft of ideas. Features: Remixing the Creative Commons: A look back on a year of free culture as part of the UK's first localized Creative Commons project. The Birth of LUGRadio: and embodiment of the commons Magnatune: The "not evil" record label -- a collection of Megnatune tracks were on the CD The Executable's Song: Examines how free software enables us to trace the nature and culture of the executable as it impacts on the physical Monkey Business - .NET on Linux: Program in VB.NET on Linux and run your applications on Windows, or develop in C# on Windows and run your applications on Linux... Foundation and Empire: Why open source start-ups sometimes fail to meet eye-to-eye with the business world Hacking the Kernel : this month's latest happenings in the Linux community There are also numerous regular columns, soapboxes and reviews. 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This one will let you relay if you authenticated, but not otherwise. You could turn off the tls stuff to uncomplicate the matter. I have a bunch of examples for LDAP, but that could be easily modified to not look at LDAP under: http://www.heinous.org/wiki/Category:Postfix The one for SMTP Auth w/o LDAP is : http://www.heinous.org/wiki/Postfix_with_SSL_SMTP_%26_Authentication On Sat, 2006-02-18 at 11:08 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > A quick update first: > > The hacked/compromised server isn't getting spam out anymore (I told > sendmail to block outgoing mail from 'apache', which is only a > stop-gap). So now I am working on getting the mail and websites over to > the new server. > > Also, as Alex suggested, I've disabled root login over SSH on the new > server. As Vlad suggested I'll be installing some form of IDS on the new > server (FAM I've seen but I'll compare it to Tripwire before I choose > one). I'm still worried that it's a script somewhere so I'm going to > move the websites one at a time and see if the spam trying to be sent > stops when one is moved. If so it will narrow down what I have to look for. > > Today's question is about Postfix: > > I've finally made the switch from Sendmail after many people here > suggested I do so. Of course now I am having trouble getting virtual > hosting working. I'm confused about what I should be using as the > 'myhostname' and such. > > I admit my problems are largely due to me being rather tired and > frustrated about this whole mess. I've read the Postfix docs on virtual > hosting but keep messing it up. As of now, mail is relaying through the > server so postfix is working. > > Any help, even just a pointer to a more concise how-to for someone > trying to virtual host multiple domains pointed at system users would be > great. The postfix docs keep talking about using LDAP, SQL and such > which just keeps throwing me for a loop. > > Thanks!! > > Madison > -- Leah Cunningham : d416-585-9971x692 : d416-703-5977 : m416-559-6511 Frauerpower! Co. : www.frauerpower.com : Toronto, ON Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 16:13:55 2006 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:13:55 -0500 Subject: skyping in and from canada In-Reply-To: <43F66CB8.6070508-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org> References: <20060217214706.18203.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> <43F64E9A.7050707@gmx.de> <4386c5b20602171613w2127e441uabbdb9b881257630@mail.gmail.com> <43F66CB8.6070508@gmx.de> Message-ID: <92ee967a0602200813l7579001eha1f57fd281e8704d@mail.gmail.com> On 2/17/06, Dominic Bonfiglio wrote: > No, sorry, I meant the pure VOIP. > Dominic > "pure VOIP?" Skype offers non-SypeOut VOIP? -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 16:16:25 2006 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:16:25 -0500 Subject: USB memory stick: what brand, model is best? In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10602191905y528d32cr2dbfcc8ea3b9bc20-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060219154023.GA3689@node1.opengeometry.net> <61e9e2b10602191905y528d32cr2dbfcc8ea3b9bc20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602201116.26142.dbmacg@look.ca> On February 19, 2006 10:05 pm, Daniel Armstrong wrote: > On 2/19/06, William Park wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 02:06:07AM +0000, verbum-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > Can anyone make a shopping recommendation? > > > > For just storage use, any make would do. I have had four. All are 128mb. One is a Lexar Jumpdrive.Two were 128mb PQI and one of them failed. I also have two 128mb compact flash cards. I never had a pendrive/compact flash drive that would not boot. Every card will boot, including the compact flash units. In my experience, booting problems are in the BIOS, or configuration of the boot usb files, not in the hardware. Sometimes, older hardware will not boot from USB, or even a CD-ROM. Every machine will boot from floppy, so there are floppy disk images that will boot from USB and/or CDROM. Damn Small Linux ( http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ ) is a 50mb Live CD, that can create a boot floppy that then boots from a USB. Duncan > > > For booting, I recommend > > Apacer Handy Steno and Transcend JetFlash. Unfortunately, Transcend are > > difficult to find. Try Canada Computers. > > I can second the recommendation for the Apacer HandySteno - I have a > 128MB stick which works fine with Linux (though I have never tried to > boot from it). > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- --- Duncan MacGregor --Toronto -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 16:20:25 2006 From: dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org (Dominic Bonfiglio) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:20:25 -0500 Subject: skyping in and from canada In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0602200813l7579001eha1f57fd281e8704d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060217214706.18203.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> <43F64E9A.7050707@gmx.de> <4386c5b20602171613w2127e441uabbdb9b881257630@mail.gmail.com> <43F66CB8.6070508@gmx.de> <92ee967a0602200813l7579001eha1f57fd281e8704d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43F9EC49.2020206@gmx.de> Mike Kallies wrote: > On 2/17/06, Dominic Bonfiglio > wrote: > >> No, sorry, I meant the pure VOIP. >> Dominic >> >> > > "pure VOIP?" > > Skype offers non-SypeOut VOIP? > > -Mike > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > What I meant to say is: I am having problems with computer to computer calling--not computer to landline calling (SkypeOut) Dominic -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 17:04:46 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:04:46 -0500 Subject: Inconveniently sized media files Message-ID: <20060220170446.GA6043@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I'm looking for a way, preferably from the command line, to make mp3 or avi files either split into smaller chunks, or combine into contiguous ones. For instance, I have a long video presentation in two avi files - I'd like it to be one big file, but I haven't found a way to do it (I tried cat-ing them together, and I got one big file, but it wouldn't play past the boundary of the first file). In a different for instance, I have an mp3 which is a hour long, and I want to split it into 5 minute chunks (for easier stopping and resuming on my mp3 player). Are there tools for this? Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Can Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 17:29:50 2006 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:29:50 -0500 Subject: Inconveniently sized media files In-Reply-To: <20060220170446.GA6043-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060220170446.GA6043@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060220172950.GA17994@utoronto.ca> On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 12:04:46PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I'm looking for a way, preferably from the command line, to make mp3 or > avi files either split into smaller chunks, or combine into contiguous > ones. > > For instance, I have a long video presentation in two avi files - > I'd like it to be one big file, but I haven't found a way to do it (I > tried cat-ing them together, and I got one big file, but it wouldn't > play past the boundary of the first file). > > In a different for instance, I have an mp3 which is a hour long, and I > want to split it into 5 minute chunks (for easier stopping and resuming > on my mp3 player). Are there tools for this? Thanks. mpgtx will do this for mp3's & other mpeg formats. I guess avidemux will do this for avi (though I know nothing about that). Matt ------------------------------------------- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org History Department, University of Toronto (416) 978-2094 -------------------------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 17:31:34 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:31:34 -0500 Subject: Inconveniently sized media files In-Reply-To: <20060220170446.GA6043-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20060220170446.GA6043@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060220173133.GL29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 12:04:46PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I'm looking for a way, preferably from the command line, to make mp3 or > avi files either split into smaller chunks, or combine into contiguous > ones. > > For instance, I have a long video presentation in two avi files - > I'd like it to be one big file, but I haven't found a way to do it (I > tried cat-ing them together, and I got one big file, but it wouldn't > play past the boundary of the first file). Perhaps avicat from avifile-utils can do it. It may require the encoding and format be exactly the same of course. Otherwise a video editing program should let you import both and export the combined movie as a new file. > In a different for instance, I have an mp3 which is a hour long, and I > want to split it into 5 minute chunks (for easier stopping and resuming > on my mp3 player). Are there tools for this? Thanks. mp3splt - Splits MP3 and Ogg Vorbis files without reencoding Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 17:32:33 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:32:33 -0500 Subject: Compiling help needed In-Reply-To: <200602201718.04645.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200602201718.04645.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20060220173233.GM29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 05:18:04PM +0000, Merv Curley wrote: > It doesn't take much to stop me when engaged in this activity. > > kanotix is basically Debian sid, so that is the specific distro I am using > today.. Trying to compile the new version of Tellico and the configure > script stops with 'error can't find X includes'. > > Anyone any idea what to install or what to add to the ./configure command? > > The Debian Tellico works without $KDEDIRS being set but might it be necessary > should I get this new version installed? I assume for debian it is just > "/usr/bin". Speaking of ENV variables where are they set, none > in /etc/profile, bash.bashrc or locally? > > Thanks for any help Perhaps the package x-dev is what you need. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 19:54:14 2006 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:54:14 -0500 Subject: [OT] Tax software Message-ID: Does anyone know of any 2004 and 2005 free income tax software, for Linux? Thanks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 21:36:05 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:36:05 +0000 Subject: linux user&developer magazine ... ?? In-Reply-To: <20060219220429.1eacea9f.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20060219220429.1eacea9f.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <43FA3645.6060706@zen.co.uk> Linux user and developer costs around ?6.50 here in the Uk which is one of the reasons I don't buy that many magazines, so at 2$can to 1 ? it should cost about $12, I think they ask too much for a magazine anyway, Linux format costs the same to subscribe so thats about $90 but linux magazine costs around $109, but you can download pdf of back issues, in by article (see link), which is nice, I am sure there was a cd of back issues given away so they may do this again, so that may be worth ordering if you want old issues on cdrom. https://www.linux-magazine.com/Magazine/Archive I will ask on my local lug and see if anyone has a copy with the review they did of the TLUG, and try and get a copy of it, Paul ted leslie wrote: >anyone know a magazine store in GTA that sells this mag? >they want 90Lbs for a yearly subscription, kinda pricy, >wonder what it would sell for on the rack here? > >www.linuxuser.co.uk (is their website) > > >-tl >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 22:31:24 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:31:24 -0500 Subject: linux user&developer magazine ... ?? In-Reply-To: <43FA3645.6060706-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <20060219220429.1eacea9f.tleslie@tcn.net> <43FA3645.6060706@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0602201431x4a37929bybe6785e16e13cf5a@mail.gmail.com> On 2/20/06, Paul Sutton wrote: > I will ask on my local lug and see if anyone has a copy with the review > they did of the TLUG, and try and get a copy of it, Well, I just got the March LinuxFormat today (I'm a huge fan of their tutorials section and cover disks) - the featured LUG is Alice Springs Australia. Maybe another month or so? =D Interestingly enough, the DVD cover disk this month is just chalk full of BSD - FreeBSD 6.0, NetBSD 3.0, OpenBSD 3.8, and DragonFly BSD 1.4.0 (Damn Small Linux 2.1 is on there as well for good measure. :-) -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 22:37:02 2006 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:37:02 +0000 Subject: [OT] Tax software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200602202237.02115.mervc@eol.ca> On Monday 20 February 2006 19:54, bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Does anyone know of any 2004 and 2005 free income tax software, for Linux? > Nothing yet free or otherwise. If you are happy leaving your data on someone else's computer, one of the companies at least do that. If forget if it is TaxTron or UFile or ?? All you need is a Browser. I hope I remember correctly... -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 22:46:22 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:46:22 -0500 Subject: [OT] Tax software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/20/06, bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Does anyone know of any 2004 and 2005 free income tax software, for Linux? > > Thanks. http://sourceforge.net/projects/prologtaxes You need some familiarity with Prolog... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 23:06:06 2006 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:06:06 -0500 Subject: [OT] Tax software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I did find this: http://pacificcoast.net/~gthompson/ Maybe it will run under Wine... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 20 23:07:47 2006 From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:07:47 -0500 Subject: OT: Perl Programmer Needed Message-ID: <1140476867.10133.20.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> Hey, The company I work for is looking for a Perl programmer and I thought this list would be a good place to look since we use a lot of Open Source stuff. We are a very small company, we currently have 3 programmers and just hired a web developer/designer to do some web sites for us. We develop a web application for POS companies (Point of Sale or debit and interac machines) as well as Manufacturing companies. Some of the things we work with are Perl, FreeBSD, PostgreSQL, Linux, Apache, Oracle, and DB2. Most of our work deals with a Perl web application running on a Apache web server on a FreeBSD server that connects up to a PostgreSQL database. So if you don't know Oracle that doesn't really matter we just have one client who wanted to run the application on Sun and connect up to Oracle. What we want is a Junior Programmer who knows Perl, HTML, CSS and is has some database experience. Also, at the very least know how to ssh into a *NIX type server and navigate around directories, edit files and so on. This is the bare minimum we want. Currently we are only looking at 1 position but if the work keeps coming in we will quickly need more people. We are located at Richmond and Bathurst. Send your resume to: pi314159265358pi-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org If you have any questions don't hesitate to drop me a line off list of course. Thanks. -- Devin Whalen Programmer Synaptic Vision Inc Phone-(416) 539-0801 Fax- (416) 539-8280 543 Richmond Street West Toronto, Ontario Suite 223 M5V 1Y6 Box 105 Home-(416) 653-3982 Take back the Web with FireFox....a browser you can trust www.getfirefox.com .-. /v\ L I N U X // \\ /( )\ ^^-^^ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From denisov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 00:05:23 2006 From: denisov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Igor Denisov) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:05:23 -0500 Subject: Converting .asf to .mp3 Message-ID: <96aa4e8f0602201605w55592eddyad929e04877cecae@mail.gmail.com> Hey everyone, I've been trying to convert an asf file to mp3 but so far no luck (other than ripping the stream with asfrecord and getting the asf file). The file in question doesn't have a video component, only audio. Thanks in advance for the help, Igor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 00:09:44 2006 From: behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:09:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Converting .asf to .mp3 In-Reply-To: <96aa4e8f0602201605w55592eddyad929e04877cecae-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <96aa4e8f0602201605w55592eddyad929e04877cecae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Feb 2006, Igor Denisov wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I've been trying to convert an asf file to mp3 but so far no luck > (other than ripping the stream with asfrecord and getting the asf file). > > The file in question doesn't have a video component, only audio. > Thanks in advance for the help, This works using mplayer and lame, given that you have the right codecs for mplayer: mplayer -ao pcm:waveheader:file=/dev/fd/10 -really-quiet inputfile.asf &1 &>/dev/null | lame --quiet /dev/stdin output.mp3 > Igor > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > --behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 01:24:17 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:24:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux Street Mapping Software? Message-ID: <20060221012417.70165.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I got an e-mail from an apparent Linux newbie by the name of Richard Zawistowski who is looking for street mapping software for Linux that shows Ontario maps. I have offered the obvious suggestion of WINE + MS based software. Can someone offer this person a better option? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 01:29:25 2006 From: behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:29:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux Street Mapping Software? In-Reply-To: <20060221012417.70165.qmail-DooQHYYYUaiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060221012417.70165.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Feb 2006, Colin McGregor wrote: > I got an e-mail from an apparent Linux newbie by the > name of > Richard Zawistowski who is > looking for street mapping software for Linux that > shows Ontario maps. I have offered the obvious > suggestion of WINE + MS based software. Can someone > offer this person a better option? Not sure about Ontario maps, but for US, Roadster works pretty good: http://linuxadvocate.org/projects/roadster/ > Colin McGregor --behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 01:45:52 2006 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:45:52 +0000 Subject: Compiling help needed In-Reply-To: <20060220173233.GM29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200602201718.04645.mervc@eol.ca> <20060220173233.GM29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200602210145.52386.mervc@eol.ca> On Monday 20 February 2006 17:32, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Perhaps the package x-dev is what you need. > Lennart to the rescue again. Thanks and that got me a bit further, now it stops with an error message "need a working libXext ... not found" So I went looking and libXext has been installed and I find libXext.so.6.4 and links to " .so.6 " .so Also there is libXext.a Do I give up? No, not while we have the Debian master here. Thank you -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 01:54:20 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:54:20 -0500 Subject: Linux Street Mapping Software? In-Reply-To: <20060221012417.70165.qmail-DooQHYYYUaiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060221012417.70165.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200602202054.21886.interlug@weait.net> On Monday 20 February 2006 20:24, Colin McGregor wrote: > I got an e-mail from an apparent Linux newbie who is > looking for street mapping software for Linux that > shows Ontario maps. gpsdrive http://gpsdrive.kraftvoll.at/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From denisov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 02:41:05 2006 From: denisov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Igor Denisov) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:41:05 -0500 Subject: Converting .asf to .mp3 In-Reply-To: References: <96aa4e8f0602201605w55592eddyad929e04877cecae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <96aa4e8f0602201841ve06b306tbccfa56367e3fa93@mail.gmail.com> Awesome, that worked. On a related note, I tried using mencoder but it gave the error message: /usr/lib/libtheora.so.0: no version information available (required by mencoder) The library in question was installed using a suse-specific rpm, so I'm not sure what the problem was. At any rate, everything works fine now. Thanks, Igor > This works using mplayer and lame, given that you have the right > codecs for mplayer: > > mplayer -ao pcm:waveheader:file=/dev/fd/10 -really-quiet inputfile.asf &1 &>/dev/null | lame --quiet /dev/stdin output.mp3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 03:36:54 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:36:54 -0500 Subject: PegaSoft Meeting Tomorrow - 3D Camera Techniques Message-ID: <1140493014.30328.27.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Location: Office Bar and Grill Time: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 7:00-10:00 pm Presentation: 3D Camera Techniques in Game Design The next PegaSoft dinner meeting is tomorrow at 7:00 pm. We'll be hosting it at the Office Bar and Grill near the Islington subway station. Besides our usual open Linux forum (where people can discuss my Google article with me), I'll be talking about the "3D Camera Techniques in Game Design" from the popular game development series "Game Programming Gems". We will also be discussing our online Linux role playing game project. Send your RSVP to Mel Wilson (http://www.pegasoft.ca/people.html) to reserve a seat. Cost is, as usual, free. Directions: http://www.pegasoft.ca/events.html Ken B. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 03:56:21 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:56:21 -0500 Subject: Compiling help needed In-Reply-To: <200602210145.52386.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200602201718.04645.mervc@eol.ca> <20060220173233.GM29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200602210145.52386.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <43FA8F65.70802@utoronto.ca> Merv Curley wrote: > On Monday 20 February 2006 17:32, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > >>Perhaps the package x-dev is what you need. >> > > Lennart to the rescue again. Thanks and that got me a bit further, now it > stops with an error message "need a working libXext ... not found" > > So I went looking and libXext has been installed and I find > libXext.so.6.4 and links to > " .so.6 > " .so > Also there is libXext.a > > Do I give up? No, not while we have the Debian master here. > > Thank you Try installing libxext-dev or whatever matches the plain libext package that you appear to have installed. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 05:19:47 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:19:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Compiling help needed In-Reply-To: <43FA8F65.70802-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200602201718.04645.mervc@eol.ca> <20060220173233.GM29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200602210145.52386.mervc@eol.ca> <43FA8F65.70802@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <87d5hh9tl9.fsf@gmail.com> Merv> So I went looking and libXext has been installed and I find Merv> libXext.so.6.4 and links to " .so.6 " .so Also there is libXext.a Merv> Do I give up? No, not while we have the Debian master here. Merv> Thank you Jamon> Try installing libxext-dev or whatever matches the plain libext Jamon> package that you appear to have installed. No, he already has the development package (whether there's one specifically for libXext or it's included in x-dev). That's where libXext.a would go. So this is subtler. I'd start with the Info node Autoconf | Existing Tests | System Services. The --x-libraries=dir bit looks somewhat promising. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 05:48:43 2006 From: shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (J. Qiang Li) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:48:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: twiki or ??? In-Reply-To: <43F5E795.5020300-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <43F5E795.5020300@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20060221054843.89069.qmail@web54703.mail.yahoo.com> --- Fraser Campbell wrote: > The wiki is primarily for documentation around support/deployment > procedures, howtos, etc. I started with mediawiki and I'm starting to > see some faults. The big flat wiki model leaves a lot to be desired as > does the rather shallow access control capabilities. I have deployed > additional wiki instances for other groups to avoid too much tripping > over each other. I like the idea of some access control and heirarchy. > twiki sounds promising. > > I'm planning to give twiki a go, if anyone knows of something that might > be better I'm all ears. > > Thanks > -- We just started using twiki (the new release 4.0) and what i like the most is the permission control (that's why i didn't pick mediawiki). we have couple of groups and each one of them can set up their own WEB and control read/write access from other groups. the link you created in each WEB will be limited to your WEB by default, you can link to other page from another WEB by using WebName.PageName though. so that should fix the problem you mentioned in another email. the only minor grip I have for twiki is that the wyswyg editor is not yet usable and i get bit of resistance from people to have to learn another wiki syntax. other than that, twiki is great and the front page's success stories indicate it as well. Personally I know Yahoo using TWiki as I have a friend working there and part of his job is to taking care of TWiki. James. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 13:51:04 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:51:04 -0500 Subject: smartphone? In-Reply-To: <20060217021801.GA26161-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060217021801.GA26161@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <200602210851.04319.jason@detachednetworks.ca> For those of you who have not already heard, ACCESS Co. Ltd. the current owners of PalmSource Inc, is replacing PalmOS with a Linux powered OS. http://mytreo.net/archives/2006/02/access_and_palm_source_announce_the_access_linux_platform.php --snip-- ACCESS Linux Platform An open and flexible software platform - Major components of ALP include: * Standard, commercial-grade Linux kernel -version 2.6.12 and above * Optimized implementation of GIMP ToolKit (GTK+) - popular open source libraries for the creation of graphical user interfaces * GStreamer - an open source, modular and multi-threaded streaming media framework * SQLite -a high-performance database engine commonly used in embedded devices --snip-- Looks like Treo compatibility will be getting even better. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 14:46:07 2006 From: smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sheldon Mustard) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:46:07 -0500 Subject: [OT] Tax software In-Reply-To: <200602202237.02115.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200602202237.02115.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <22e435080602210646m6e28b8c0n4412c8687cecab79@mail.gmail.com> On 2/20/06, Merv Curley wrote: > Nothing yet free or otherwise. If you are happy leaving your data on > someone else's computer, one of the companies at least do that. If forget if > it is TaxTron or UFile or ?? All you need is a Browser. > > I hope I remember correctly... You are probably thinking of snaptax.ca from Intuit. They have a nasty warning message about supported OSes but it appears to work in firefox on linux. Anyone have any experience with the site, I think it has only been around a year or two?? SJM -- Sheldon Mustard smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org "There will be no order, only chaos." - Pi (1998) -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 15:25:58 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:25:58 -0500 Subject: Compiling help needed In-Reply-To: <200602210145.52386.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200602201718.04645.mervc@eol.ca> <20060220173233.GM29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200602210145.52386.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20060221152558.GN29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 01:45:52AM +0000, Merv Curley wrote: > On Monday 20 February 2006 17:32, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > > > Perhaps the package x-dev is what you need. > > > Lennart to the rescue again. Thanks and that got me a bit further, now it > stops with an error message "need a working libXext ... not found" > > So I went looking and libXext has been installed and I find > libXext.so.6.4 and links to > " .so.6 > " .so > Also there is libXext.a > > Do I give up? No, not while we have the Debian master here. apt-get install libxext-dev A good guess for missing library is: take lib name (like libXext) make it lowercase, and stick -dev at the end. 99% of the time it is right. Otherwise try: apt-cache search libxext and see which packages it lists with -dev in the name. To compile code you need the headers, while to run programs you only need the library, so the library is in the libname package usually and the headers are in the libname-dev in general. Sometimes the library itself has an abi version attached to the name (if it is C++) so it could be libnamec2 or libnamec2a or libnamec102 or something like that. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 15:30:56 2006 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 21 Feb 2006 10:30:56 -0500 Subject: OT: Perl Programmer Needed In-Reply-To: <1140476867.10133.20.camel-UO0ojj0JzWvjwg9tCphvaczI0hKmmZiEmjCW/i4Lttk@public.gmane.org> References: <1140476867.10133.20.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> Message-ID: Devin Whalen writes: > If you have any questions don't hesitate to drop me a line off list of > course. > You should try TPM (Toronto Perl Mongers). HTH, -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 16:54:22 2006 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:54:22 -0500 Subject: smartphone? In-Reply-To: <200602210851.04319.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060217021801.GA26161@utoronto.ca> <200602210851.04319.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <20060221165422.GC11984@utoronto.ca> On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 08:51:04AM -0500, Jason Shein wrote: > For those of you who have not already heard, ACCESS Co. Ltd. the current > owners of PalmSource Inc, is replacing PalmOS with a Linux powered OS. but, alas, not YET! matt > > http://mytreo.net/archives/2006/02/access_and_palm_source_announce_the_access_linux_platform.php > > > ACCESS Linux Platform > > An open and flexible software platform - Major components of ALP include: > > * Standard, commercial-grade Linux kernel -version 2.6.12 and above > > * Optimized implementation of GIMP ToolKit (GTK+) - popular open source > libraries for the creation of graphical user interfaces > > * GStreamer - an open source, modular and multi-threaded streaming media > framework > > * SQLite -a high-performance database engine commonly used in embedded > devices > > > Looks like Treo compatibility will be getting even better. > ------------------------------------------- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org History Department, University of Toronto (416) 978-2094 -------------------------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paul-trWFDORQd8hBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 16:57:55 2006 From: paul-trWFDORQd8hBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Paul Osman) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:57:55 -0500 Subject: OT: Software Developer Needed Message-ID: <1140541076.11905.8.camel@localhost> Hi There, Seen a few of these posted here and thought I'd throw this one on the pile. The company I work for is experiencing an influx of work and as such we're looking for more programmers... I've included the posting text below. If you have any questions, feel free to email me off list. Cheers, Paul --- Open Source Software Developer Wanted Enomaly, Inc. A Toronto Canada based open source development firm is currently seeking an experienced software developer. Applicants must have proven php and mysql experience. This is a terrific opportunity for a developer to work with a team devoted to cutting-edge open source technology! You will be an integral part of bringing enterprise class solutions to firms throughout North America. Extensive experience/expertise with the following: - PHP5/PHP4 and Javascript - MySQL/Postgresql Database - XML, SOAP, and Web Services - Linux, HTML, CSS, and JavaScript - Object oriented programming Experience with the following is a plus: - PHP performance tuning and optimization - Database/MYSQL performance tuning and optimization - Python Desired Qualifications/Requirements: - Minimum 2 to 3 years in web based technologies - Familiarity with software design methodologies - Fast thinker and easily adaptable - Must have a Bachelors Degree in Computer Science or similar related field or equivalent experience - Detail oriented and highly organized - Have a well developed problem solving ability, research, and critical thinking skills - Management of system level requirements - Able to analyze high level user needs to system level requirements This established organization is constantly growing with new technology and innovative ideas. Your ability to work in a team environment is crucial. Interested developers are invited to submit their resumes at (Please included examples of php based/linux platform sites you've developed): http://www.enomaly.com/employment_contact.316.0.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pwa.linux-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 18:13:21 2006 From: pwa.linux-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (PW Armstrong) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:13:21 -0500 Subject: new motherboard, new problems? Message-ID: <43FB5841.2070409@gmail.com> installed a new motherboard a while back (OK, OK, it's not new, but's it's new to my old computer) had some problems with monitor/graphics card settings, which I fixed with help from lenn (actually, there wasn't a problem, I just decided to ignore/not check the monitor settings, and assume it was a graphics card issue, which it is was not) but ever since the new motherboard went in, have been having a handful of other annoying glitches. In order of annoyance/inconvenience: -mouse randomly goes whacky, i.e., wanders randomly over the screen whenever I move the mouse, rather than tracking the physical mouse movement (actually, the vertical movement tracks correctly, the horizontal movement goes random) -mozilla/mozilla mail (vn 1.4.1) randomly freezes on me (never did with the original mb) (I think the first is related to a mozilla problem, since it always occurs when I'm accessing an e-mail or e-mail folder from mozilla) -when I power down, computer does not automatically shut off as it used to, even though the 'power down' command is executed The first 2 are fixed by rebooting. Oh yeah: -running RH 8 -motherboard: ASRock M810LMR Any ideas/suggestions for correcting these problems? Thx. -peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <43FB5841.2070409-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <43FB5841.2070409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602211317.25591.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Tuesday 21 February 2006 13:13, PW Armstrong wrote: > installed a new motherboard a while back (OK, OK, it's not new, but's > it's new to my old computer) > had some problems with monitor/graphics card settings, which I fixed > with help from lenn (actually, there wasn't a problem, I just decided to > ignore/not check the monitor settings, and assume it was a graphics card > issue, which it is was not) > > but ever since the new motherboard went in, have been having a handful > of other annoying glitches. > In order of annoyance/inconvenience: > -mouse randomly goes whacky, i.e., wanders randomly over the screen > whenever I move the mouse, rather than tracking the physical mouse > movement (actually, the vertical movement tracks correctly, the > horizontal movement goes random) > -mozilla/mozilla mail (vn 1.4.1) randomly freezes on me (never did with > the original mb) (I think the first is related to a mozilla problem, > since it always occurs when I'm accessing an e-mail or e-mail folder > from mozilla) > -when I power down, computer does not automatically shut off as it used > to, even though the 'power down' command is executed > The first 2 are fixed by rebooting. > > Oh yeah: > -running RH 8 > -motherboard: ASRock M810LMR > > Any ideas/suggestions for correcting these problems? Thx. > > -peter For starters, does the output of lspci list any "unknown" devices? If it does, you need to update your pci.ics from http://pciids.sourceforge.net -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 18:36:50 2006 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:36:50 -0500 Subject: new motherboard, new problem Message-ID: <1140547010.7919.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> As I remember RH8 had its share of bugs. It may be that an upgrade is necessary in your case. You could test the idea by running Knoppix or the 'live' version of Ubuntu to see if the problems you are reporting disappear in the instance of an up to date kernel, as would be the case in one of the above. The mouse problem sounds like dirty rollers inside an older ball based mouse. If this is the case, you can easily clean the muck off the rollers with some rubbing alcohol on a Q-tip and the blade of a small slot screwdriver. HTH John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 18:50:35 2006 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:50:35 -0500 Subject: new motherboard, new problem In-Reply-To: <1140547010.7919.10.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1140547010.7919.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 2/21/06, John McGregor wrote: > As I remember RH8 had its share of bugs. It may be that an upgrade is > necessary in your case. You could test the idea by running Knoppix or > the 'live' version of Ubuntu to see if the problems you are reporting > disappear in the instance of an up to date kernel, as would be the case > in one of the above. > > John I agree with John... I re-read the original poster and they mentioned he is running version 1.4.1 of Mozilla... which is not the current version. I would strongly suggest (after backing up important things, etc. etc.) upgrading at least mozilla, and also any RH system upgrades which might make it less "buggy" as well. HTH too! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gstrom-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 19:11:46 2006 From: gstrom-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:11:46 -0500 Subject: [OT] Tax software In-Reply-To: <200602202237.02115.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200602202237.02115.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20060221141146.64d67fe5@herring_sucker.example.org> On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:37:02 +0000 Merv Curley wrote: > On Monday 20 February 2006 19:54, bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Does anyone know of any 2004 and 2005 free income tax software, for > > Linux? > > > Nothing yet free or otherwise. If you are happy leaving your data > on someone else's computer, one of the companies at least do that. > If forget if it is TaxTron or UFile or ?? All you need is a Browser. > I've used Ufile (www.ufile.ca) for a few years now and I'm happy with it. It works with Linux and Firefox or Mozilla. Here's what it says in the FAQ: ----------------------------------- Linux Mozilla 1.x or higher Netscape 6.x or higher All must have 128-bit encryption, cookies and JavaScript enabled. Click below to download the latest versions of your favourite browser: * Microsoft's Internet Explorer * Mozilla's Firefox * Netscape It is also recommended that you have a PDF reader (free download) to display your tax return in PDF format. Most Internet users already have the Adobe Reader but if you don't, you can go to Adobe's Web site and download it for free. Other browsers such as Galeon and Konqueror for Linux, may also work but have not been fully tested. To learn more about UFile and its compatibility with Mac or Linux, click here. If you wish to use one of the above browsers, email us at UFile with your browser name and version to receive instructions on how to bypass our browser test. ------------------------- If your yearly income is under $25,000, they don't charge you anything. And you can delete your data from the server after you're done. -- Glen Strom gstrom-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 21 20:43:36 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:43:36 -0500 Subject: new motherboard, new problems? In-Reply-To: <43FB5841.2070409-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <43FB5841.2070409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060221204336.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 01:13:21PM -0500, PW Armstrong wrote: > installed a new motherboard a while back (OK, OK, it's not new, but's > it's new to my old computer) > had some problems with monitor/graphics card settings, which I fixed > with help from lenn (actually, there wasn't a problem, I just decided to > ignore/not check the monitor settings, and assume it was a graphics card > issue, which it is was not) > > but ever since the new motherboard went in, have been having a handful > of other annoying glitches. > In order of annoyance/inconvenience: > -mouse randomly goes whacky, i.e., wanders randomly over the screen > whenever I move the mouse, rather than tracking the physical mouse > movement (actually, the vertical movement tracks correctly, the > horizontal movement goes random) > -mozilla/mozilla mail (vn 1.4.1) randomly freezes on me (never did with > the original mb) (I think the first is related to a mozilla problem, > since it always occurs when I'm accessing an e-mail or e-mail folder > from mozilla) > -when I power down, computer does not automatically shut off as it used > to, even though the 'power down' command is executed > The first 2 are fixed by rebooting. > > Oh yeah: > -running RH 8 > -motherboard: ASRock M810LMR > > Any ideas/suggestions for correcting these problems? Thx. Perhaps your kernel is too old for the board. RH8 is after all ancient. For the mouse, check the port and protocol settings. Some motherboards require different ps2 settings (if you still use a ps2 mouse, I certainly don't, given USB is much more reliable and simpler to setup). Mozilla only ever crashes on me if I have the flashplayer plugin installed, so I just don't install that anymore. Of course your new board may be unstable, the cpu could be unstable, or the ram could be unstable, or you have a bad bios setting or a buggy bios version. For the poweroff, you normally need apm or acpi support for that, so make sure that is enabled in the bios and that the kernel knows about it, and that apmd or acpid is installed as appropriate. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 22 02:21:26 2006 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:21:26 -0500 Subject: new motherboard, new problems? In-Reply-To: <20060221204336.GO29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <43FB5841.2070409@gmail.com> <20060221204336.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <43FBCAA6.5020809@sympatico.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 01:13:21PM -0500, PW Armstrong wrote: > > >>installed a new motherboard a while back (OK, OK, it's not new, but's >>it's new to my old computer) >>had some problems with monitor/graphics card settings, which I fixed >>with help from lenn (actually, there wasn't a problem, I just decided to >>ignore/not check the monitor settings, and assume it was a graphics card >>issue, which it is was not) >> >>but ever since the new motherboard went in, have been having a handful >>of other annoying glitches. >>In order of annoyance/inconvenience: >>-mouse randomly goes whacky, i.e., wanders randomly over the screen >>whenever I move the mouse, rather than tracking the physical mouse >>movement (actually, the vertical movement tracks correctly, the >>horizontal movement goes random) >>-mozilla/mozilla mail (vn 1.4.1) randomly freezes on me (never did with >>the original mb) (I think the first is related to a mozilla problem, >>since it always occurs when I'm accessing an e-mail or e-mail folder >>from mozilla) >>-when I power down, computer does not automatically shut off as it used >>to, even though the 'power down' command is executed >>The first 2 are fixed by rebooting. >> >>Oh yeah: >>-running RH 8 >>-motherboard: ASRock M810LMR >> >>Any ideas/suggestions for correcting these problems? Thx. >> >> > >Perhaps your kernel is too old for the board. RH8 is after all ancient. > >For the mouse, check the port and protocol settings. Some motherboards >require different ps2 settings (if you still use a ps2 mouse, I >certainly don't, given USB is much more reliable and simpler to setup). > >Mozilla only ever crashes on me if I have the flashplayer plugin >installed, so I just don't install that anymore. > >Of course your new board may be unstable, the cpu could be unstable, or >the ram could be unstable, or you have a bad bios setting or a buggy >bios version. > >For the poweroff, you normally need apm or acpi support for that, so >make sure that is enabled in the bios and that the kernel knows about >it, and that apmd or acpid is installed as appropriate. > >Len Sorensen > I have found on two powerdown problems very similar to yours that the fix was to improve the isolation of the MB from the case. You can prove that by running your entire system out of the case (can be tricky to have the power cables reach the MB). Powering off may work then. Anyway, I used the red washers to insulate each screw on both sides of the MB. It worked - on two different MBs. John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 22 06:07:45 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:07:45 -0500 Subject: Make some profit from a killer. In-Reply-To: References: <20060219235847.GA3995@waltdnes.org> <8C803D7708D08D2-10E4-22DB7@mblkn-m11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20060222060745.GB10948@waltdnes.org> On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 07:16:00PM -0800, Christopher Browne wrote > On 2/19/06, frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > > This is a kind of moral issue not a legal issue. > > In April, President Bush will shake hands with the killer from China. What > > you say? > > I say that if I was interested in discussions about US politics, I'd > head to a mailing list or newsgroup about US politics, rather than a > mailing list purportedly about Linux. This was started off by a post bashing Google dealing with China. I was merely pointing out that some people were into "do as I say, not as I do". I'm willing to accept either of 2 compromises... 1) If people can complain about Google dealing with a China that imprisons without cause and tortures, the same complaints can be made about the USA. 2) If people don't complain about Google dealing with China, I won't complain about Google dealing with the USA. I prefer solution 2), what about you? -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 22 06:11:26 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:11:26 -0500 Subject: Inconveniently sized media files In-Reply-To: <20060220173133.GL29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060220170446.GA6043@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20060220173133.GL29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20060222061126.GC10948@waltdnes.org> On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 12:31:34PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote > mp3splt - Splits MP3 and Ogg Vorbis files without reencoding Even more basic is "head"... -c, --bytes=[-]N print the first N bytes of each file; with the leading `-', print all but the last N bytes of each file I've used it to chop trailing garbage after the end of a selected passage. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 22 06:14:50 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:14:50 -0500 Subject: Any autohiding dashboard/panel apps without tons of dependancies? Message-ID: <20060222061450.GD10948@waltdnes.org> My mantra is tha I don't run desktops, I run applications. My attitude to KDE and GNOME is "The Pox on both your houses". They have nice apps like KOffice and "Gnome Office "Gimp, Gnumeric, AbiWord, etc. I run the apps I need and Gentoo's "emerge" pulls in any necessary dependancies. I've been using fbpanel as my dashboard app. It lacks only one item, namely that it doesn't autohide. Also, it doesn't show up in the task list, so I couldn't {ALT-TAB} to it if it wasn't set to be "always on top". Is there a simple dashboard/panel, like fbpanel but with autohide? I tried "emerge --pretend gnome-panel", and it seems to want to build most of GNOME as dependancies... These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild N ] gnome-base/orbit-2.12.4 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.10.1 [ebuild N ] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.8 [ebuild N ] x11-libs/libwnck-2.12.2 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gconf-2.12.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.2 [ebuild N ] net-nds/portmap-5b-r9 [ebuild N ] app-admin/fam-2.7.0-r2 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.12.2 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnome-2.12.0.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.10.1-r1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.4.6 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.12.0 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.6.7 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.12.1 [ebuild N ] app-text/gnome-doc-utils-0.4.4 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.12.2 [ebuild N ] media-libs/glut-3.7.1 [ebuild N ] dev-python/pyopengl-2.0.0.44 [ebuild N ] dev-python/pycairo-1.0.2 [ebuild N ] dev-python/numeric-23.7 [ebuild N ] x11-libs/gtkglarea-1.99.0 [ebuild N ] dev-python/pygtk-2.8.2 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-menus-2.12.0-r1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-panel-2.12.2 perlpanel isn't any better These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild N ] dev-perl/XML-NamespaceSupport-1.09 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/XML-SAX-0.13 [ebuild N ] perl-core/Storable-2.15 [ebuild N ] virtual/perl-Storable-2.15 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/XML-Simple-2.14 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/extutils-depends-0.205 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/extutils-pkgconfig-1.07 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/glib-perl-1.101 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/gtk2-perl-1.101 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/orbit-2.12.4 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gconf-2.12.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.2 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.10.1 [ebuild N ] net-nds/portmap-5b-r9 [ebuild N ] app-admin/fam-2.7.0-r2 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.12.2 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/gnome2-vfs-perl-1.041 [ebuild N ] dev-util/glade-2.6.8 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/gtk2-gladexml-1.005 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/DateManip-5.44 [ebuild N ] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.8 [ebuild N ] x11-libs/libwnck-2.12.2 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/gnome2-wnck-0.11 [ebuild N ] virtual/perl-MIME-Base64-3.05 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/URI-1.35 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/gtk2-traymanager-0.05 [ebuild N ] x11-misc/perlpanel-0.9.1-r1 -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 22 06:25:38 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:25:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Any autohiding dashboard/panel apps without tons of dependancies? In-Reply-To: <20060222061450.GD10948-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20060222061450.GD10948@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <874q2rc3kv.fsf@gmail.com> Walter> I tried "emerge --pretend gnome-panel", and it seems to want to Walter> build most of GNOME as dependancies... Well yes, that's the main problem with GNOME (and KDE, and Windows, and the very idea). Is this really news to you? I run WindowMaker. Other possible alternatives are Blackbox and XFCE. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 22 13:35:33 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:35:33 -0500 Subject: Any autohiding dashboard/panel apps without tons of dependancies? In-Reply-To: <20060222061450.GD10948-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20060222061450.GD10948@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <43FC68A5.6000208@utoronto.ca> I can confirm that XFce4 has a autohiding panel. Although it uses the same gtk toolkit that Gnome is based on, it has been advertised as being less "bloated than Gnome. Whether that's true any more I'm not sure. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 22 13:40:03 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:40:03 -0500 Subject: OT Re:Make some profit from a killer. In-Reply-To: <20060222060745.GB10948-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20060219235847.GA3995@waltdnes.org> <8C803D7708D08D2-10E4-22DB7@mblkn-m11.sysops.aol.com> <20060222060745.GB10948@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <43FC69B3.2030307@utoronto.ca> At the very least place OT in the subject heading. Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 07:16:00PM -0800, Christopher Browne wrote >> On 2/19/06, frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> This is a kind of moral issue not a legal issue. >>> In April, President Bush will shake hands with the killer from China. What >>> you say? >> I say that if I was interested in discussions about US politics, I'd >> head to a mailing list or newsgroup about US politics, rather than a >> mailing list purportedly about Linux. > > This was started off by a post bashing Google dealing with China. I > was merely pointing out that some people were into "do as I say, not as > I do". I'm willing to accept either of 2 compromises... > > 1) If people can complain about Google dealing with a China that > imprisons without cause and tortures, the same complaints can be made > about the USA. > > 2) If people don't complain about Google dealing with China, I won't > complain about Google dealing with the USA. > > I prefer solution 2), what about you? > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 22 16:49:09 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:49:09 -0500 Subject: OT Re:Make some profit from a killer. In-Reply-To: <43FC69B3.2030307-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060219235847.GA3995@waltdnes.org> <8C803D7708D08D2-10E4-22DB7@mblkn-m11.sysops.aol.com> <20060222060745.GB10948@waltdnes.org> <43FC69B3.2030307@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1140626950.16455.59.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> On Wed, 2006-02-22 at 08:40 -0500, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > At the very least place OT in the subject heading. This thread has wandered far from my original post. > Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 07:16:00PM -0800, Christopher Browne wrote > >> On 2/19/06, frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > >>> This is a kind of moral issue not a legal issue. > >>> In April, President Bush will shake hands with the killer from China. What > >>> you say? > >> I say that if I was interested in discussions about US politics, I'd > >> head to a mailing list or newsgroup about US politics, rather than a > >> mailing list purportedly about Linux. > > > > This was started off by a post bashing Google dealing with China. I > > was merely pointing out that some people were into "do as I say, not as > > I do". I'm willing to accept either of 2 compromises... > > > > 1) If people can complain about Google dealing with a China that > > imprisons without cause and tortures, the same complaints can be made > > about the USA. > > > > 2) If people don't complain about Google dealing with China, I won't > > complain about Google dealing with the USA. > > > > I prefer solution 2), what about you? > > Hello Walter, To be fair, I never mentioned China in my original post, nor did I mention imprisonment or torture. Google has a history of hiding web sites based on outside pressure, not because of internal values. For example, giving into the pressure of certain religious groups with high-priced lawyers to ban web sites that object to those groups (Wired magazine, January 2003). The incident with China last month is not an isolated one, and it brings up shades of former media kings like William Randolf Hurst who had the power to control what people could see and hear, who could ruin personal careers or entire companies at a word. Don't make a comparison of personal convenience, about what has the least impact on one's circumstances. Think about it in bigger terms. Using a deliberately unrealistic example, suppose Google decided to ban all Linux sites because the U.S. government felt that Linux and open source was "un-American" (as Microsoft described Linux). So do we complain to Google that Linux sites are unjustly banned and risk having all of Canada being banned for being "un-American" for not participating in the Iraq War? Based on Google's track record, they have the ability and are capable of doing something similar to this if they were pressured enough. It's easy to say "let it side" when Google's decision doesn't affect one personally. You mentioned China, torture and imprisonment...grounds for having the TLUG website and the TLUG mailing list banned in China, according to the Chinese government. At the PegaSoft meeting last night, we discussed the Google issue (see the minutes page). Should Google be participate in corporate and government cover-ups, an accessory to a crime, no matter how much money was involved? On Valentine's Day, protesters walked in front of Google's office in Toronto because Google China banned discussion on the oppression of their people. Do we say to these people, "Sorry, you're country is too small and your suffering is so far away. If we complained we won't be able to Google cnn.com?" How petty is that? Rather, shouldn't Google be standing up for these people, using its influence to protect the right to talk about these issues openly? So, no, I can't say I agree with your position. Ken B. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 22 21:45:43 2006 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:45:43 -0500 Subject: Another Residential Connection Message-ID: <92ee967a0602221345u3da984a5xc6e36b675b0f0fee@mail.gmail.com> Hello Everyone, I'm trying to find an ISP which offers high speed access over cable. The reason I want cable is because I don't want to have to fork out $30 for a landline with no services just to get high speed access, or $50+DSL to get half the services I'd need on that land line to match a low-quality VoIP service. I tried to sign up for 3web last week. They messed up initially, but a very helpful fellow set everything right... or so I thought until my cable was not installed, I heard nothing from them and they're not answering their customer billing line. Should I continue to slug it out with 3web, or is there somebody else who'll do a better job? -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 22 21:49:55 2006 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:49:55 -0500 Subject: Another Residential Connection Message-ID: I am using bell's dryline DSL service. You don't have to pay for the landline. -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Mike Kallies Sent: February 22, 2006 4:46 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Another Residential Connection Hello Everyone, I'm trying to find an ISP which offers high speed access over cable. The reason I want cable is because I don't want to have to fork out $30 for a landline with no services just to get high speed access, or $50+DSL to get half the services I'd need on that land line to match a low-quality VoIP service. I tried to sign up for 3web last week. They messed up initially, but a very helpful fellow set everything right... or so I thought until my cable was not installed, I heard nothing from them and they're not answering their customer billing line. Should I continue to slug it out with 3web, or is there somebody else who'll do a better job? -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:43fcdb9e198061056518394! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We can make it a two-pronged attack... 1) Be "kinder and gentler" to the environment. Don't throw away your almost new computer just because it doesn't run Vista in its "full glory". It's probably fully capable of running linux. We'll take it off your hands and use it for ourselves. 2) What? You're unhappy about that? Tell you what, we'll get linux running on your machine, and you can have the benefits. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From patrick.bloomfield-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 00:33:33 2006 From: patrick.bloomfield-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Patrick Bloomfield) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:33:33 -0500 Subject: skyping in and from canada In-Reply-To: <43F66CB8.6070508-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org> References: <20060217214706.18203.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> <4386c5b20602171613w2127e441uabbdb9b881257630@mail.gmail.com> <43F66CB8.6070508@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200602221933.33701.patrick.bloomfield@sympatico.ca> I have just started Skypeout, because it is the cheapest long-distance service around and, so far, have had a very satisfactory experience. I have chatted to my sister in South Africa, my son and daughter-in-law in Newmarket, Ontario, and made one or two long distance business calls. I am using a $25 Centrios VOIP phone through a Suse 10 Linux operating system. I hope I have not got some surprises ahead, which may be the case, keeping in mind some of the postings to this group. Patrick Bloomfield. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 00:56:35 2006 From: dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org (Dominic Bonfiglio) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:56:35 -0500 Subject: skyping in and from canada In-Reply-To: <200602221933.33701.patrick.bloomfield-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060217214706.18203.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> <4386c5b20602171613w2127e441uabbdb9b881257630@mail.gmail.com> <43F66CB8.6070508@gmx.de> <200602221933.33701.patrick.bloomfield@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <43FD0843.6000207@gmx.de> Patrick Bloomfield wrote: > I have just started Skypeout, because it is the cheapest long-distance service > around and, so far, have had a very satisfactory experience. I have chatted > to my sister in South Africa, my son and daughter-in-law in Newmarket, > Ontario, and made one or two long distance business calls. I am using a $25 > Centrios VOIP phone through a Suse 10 Linux operating system. > I hope I have not got some surprises ahead, which may be the case, keeping in > mind some of the postings to this group. > Patrick Bloomfield. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > Thanks for your input, Dominic -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 01:32:51 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:32:51 -0500 Subject: Dell Precision Workstations with Linux Message-ID: <43FD10C3.4060004@rogers.com> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 02:07:07 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:07:07 -0500 Subject: Another Residential Connection In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0602221345u3da984a5xc6e36b675b0f0fee-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <92ee967a0602221345u3da984a5xc6e36b675b0f0fee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43FD18CB.4080406@rogers.com> Mike Kallies wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I'm trying to find an ISP which offers high speed access over cable. > The reason I want cable is because I don't want to have to fork out > $30 for a landline with no services just to get high speed access, or > $50+DSL to get half the services I'd need on that land line to match a > low-quality VoIP service. Well, in this neck of the woods, Rogers is the cable company. They offer up to 6 Mb/s. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pwa.linux-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 02:24:30 2006 From: pwa.linux-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (PW Armstrong) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:24:30 -0500 Subject: new motherboard, new problems? In-Reply-To: <43FBCAA6.5020809-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <43FB5841.2070409@gmail.com> <20060221204336.GO29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43FBCAA6.5020809@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <43FD1CDE.7020200@gmail.com> Hey guys, thx for your all your suggestions, I will try them one by one and let you know what works. I think I'll start first by upgrading to the current mozilla version, and see if that makes any difference. And Lenn, I know I should upgrade the os, just have to do my own research and pick one to upgrade to. But that's not a quick fix(!). -peter John Moniz wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 01:13:21PM -0500, PW Armstrong wrote: >> >> >>> installed a new motherboard a while back (OK, OK, it's not new, >>> but's it's new to my old computer) >>> had some problems with monitor/graphics card settings, which I fixed >>> with help from lenn (actually, there wasn't a problem, I just >>> decided to ignore/not check the monitor settings, and assume it was >>> a graphics card issue, which it is was not) >>> >>> but ever since the new motherboard went in, have been having a >>> handful of other annoying glitches. >>> In order of annoyance/inconvenience: >>> -mouse randomly goes whacky, i.e., wanders randomly over the screen >>> whenever I move the mouse, rather than tracking the physical mouse >>> movement (actually, the vertical movement tracks correctly, the >>> horizontal movement goes random) >>> -mozilla/mozilla mail (vn 1.4.1) randomly freezes on me (never did >>> with the original mb) (I think the first is related to a mozilla >>> problem, since it always occurs when I'm accessing an e-mail or >>> e-mail folder from mozilla) >>> -when I power down, computer does not automatically shut off as it >>> used to, even though the 'power down' command is executed >>> The first 2 are fixed by rebooting. >>> >>> Oh yeah: >>> -running RH 8 >>> -motherboard: ASRock M810LMR >>> >>> Any ideas/suggestions for correcting these problems? Thx. >>> >> >> >> Perhaps your kernel is too old for the board. RH8 is after all ancient. >> >> For the mouse, check the port and protocol settings. Some motherboards >> require different ps2 settings (if you still use a ps2 mouse, I >> certainly don't, given USB is much more reliable and simpler to setup). >> >> Mozilla only ever crashes on me if I have the flashplayer plugin >> installed, so I just don't install that anymore. >> >> Of course your new board may be unstable, the cpu could be unstable, or >> the ram could be unstable, or you have a bad bios setting or a buggy >> bios version. >> >> For the poweroff, you normally need apm or acpi support for that, so >> make sure that is enabled in the bios and that the kernel knows about >> it, and that apmd or acpid is installed as appropriate. >> >> Len Sorensen >> > I have found on two powerdown problems very similar to yours that the > fix was to improve the isolation of the MB from the case. You can > prove that by running your entire system out of the case (can be > tricky to have the power cables reach the MB). Powering off may work > then. Anyway, I used the red washers to insulate each screw on both > sides of the MB. It worked - on two different MBs. > > John. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 03:28:38 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:28:38 -0800 Subject: [OT] Tax software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/20/06, bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Does anyone know of any 2004 and 2005 free income tax software, for Linux? There is a fellow that annually prepares a spreadsheet representing most of the interesting forms... Look at... It can be loaded into Gnumeric... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 04:01:36 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:01:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OT] Tax software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50498.207.188.65.194.1140667296.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > On 2/20/06, bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: >> Does anyone know of any 2004 and 2005 free income tax software, for >> Linux? > > There is a fellow that annually prepares a spreadsheet representing > most of the interesting forms... Look at... > > That's a pretty amazing spreadsheet. Thanks for the pointer, Christopher. No idea if it works, but it does load and display correctly into Open Office 1.1.3. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 04:14:09 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:14:09 -0500 Subject: State of the art spam control? In-Reply-To: References: <43C26852.1070109@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <43FD3691.603@georgetown.wehave.net> Taavi Burns wrote: > I've been using greylist for a while now, and it seems to work pretty > well. The greylist scheme is: > * The first time address A sends mail from IP B to address C, it is > rejected with a temporary failure. > * If A tries again form B to C within a certain timeframe (there is a > minimum and maximum time limit, configurable), then the mail is > accepted. Gave it a try ... - disabled TMDA early on January 9, 2006 - receive average of 121 spams per day through to Feb 5, 2006 - enable greylisting at 00:00 on Feb 6, 2006 - in following 2 weeks have averaged 2.88 spams per day Thanks! P.S. I am using postgrey which Debian/Ubuntu folk will find packaged up and possessing a nice eary README. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From adam-+Gnyv3l5ckaNFgfkp0FINA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 04:57:58 2006 From: adam-+Gnyv3l5ckaNFgfkp0FINA at public.gmane.org (Adam Tworkowski) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:57:58 -0500 Subject: Another Residential Connection In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0602221345u3da984a5xc6e36b675b0f0fee-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <92ee967a0602221345u3da984a5xc6e36b675b0f0fee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43FD40D6.6060301@tworkowski.com> I have been with 3Web since November specifically because: a) DSL absolutely sucks in my area (almost not supported -- i.e. maintenance mode) -- was with a Bell-reseller called EI Cat who were *great* as a company - static IP for same price as Sympatico, great customer service -- I just couldn't break the *1Mbps* barrier because of crappy Bell lines (just north-west of Annex). b) I couldn't bare having another service with Rogers as I hate dealing with them as company for cell, TV, etc. [shudder]. 3Web happens to be about $10 cheaper a month than Rogers for cable internet (you have to provide your own modem). Uptime and bandwidth for me has been fine (I guess great). Latency is not good -- remote desktop (vnc/rdp type stuff) *bites* compared to my previous DSL (at 1/5 the "speed"). 3Web's customer service *really* blows. When someone responds to customer support email they are polite enough but I have had several (3+) emails go unanswered and am still awaiting (one week) another answer about billing. They also seemed to got a whole bunch wires crossed during intial installation (i.e. I made it clear that I didn't need an on-site tech to plug a modem in -- which resulted in about 3 voice messages, etc.) and they seemed to be confused about their own pricing based on Western Canada versus Eastern Canada (Shaw versus Rogers pricing/service plan) which resulted in an initial overcharge. Adam c.c. accountservices-1XyZfHNbJ7s at public.gmane.org (maybe someone will take notice ;) > >Should I continue to slug it out with 3web, or is there somebody else >who'll do a better job? > >-Mike >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 13:29:27 2006 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:29:27 -0500 Subject: Another Residential Connection In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0602221345u3da984a5xc6e36b675b0f0fee-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <92ee967a0602221345u3da984a5xc6e36b675b0f0fee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/22/06, Mike Kallies wrote: > I tried to sign up for 3web last week. They messed up initially, but > a very helpful fellow set everything right... or so I thought until > my cable was not installed, I heard nothing from them and they're not > answering their customer billing line. Not surprising to me. My family in Edmonton has been receiving calls from potential 3web customers for YEARS, because on their signs they made the area code for their number very small, so people just blindly dial the 7-digit version (which is normal in Edmonton), and we get the crank. We tried getting them to fix things (with very little if any response), and we _have_ received fewer calls, but it still happens periodically. -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 13:30:25 2006 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:30:25 -0500 Subject: State of the art spam control? In-Reply-To: <43FD3691.603-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <43C26852.1070109@georgetown.wehave.net> <43FD3691.603@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: On 2/22/06, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Gave it a try ... > > - disabled TMDA early on January 9, 2006 > - receive average of 121 spams per day through to Feb 5, 2006 > - enable greylisting at 00:00 on Feb 6, 2006 > - in following 2 weeks have averaged 2.88 spams per day > > Thanks! Glad it worked for you. :) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 13:39:17 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:39:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: State of the art spam control? In-Reply-To: <43C26852.1070109-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <43C26852.1070109@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <87slqa19fk.fsf@gmail.com> In the latest Linux Weekly News, the grumpy editor reviews multiple Bayesian spam filters. Spamassassin still wins, kind of. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 13:51:37 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:51:37 -0500 Subject: Another Residential Connection In-Reply-To: <43FD40D6.6060301-+Gnyv3l5ckaNFgfkp0FINA@public.gmane.org> References: <92ee967a0602221345u3da984a5xc6e36b675b0f0fee@mail.gmail.com> <43FD40D6.6060301@tworkowski.com> Message-ID: <20060223135137.GA10084@ettin> On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 11:57:58PM -0500, Adam Tworkowski wrote: >I have been with 3Web since November specifically because: > >a) DSL absolutely sucks in my area (almost not supported -- i.e. >maintenance mode) -- was with a Bell-reseller called EI Cat who were >*great* as a company - static IP for same price as Sympatico, great >customer service -- I just couldn't break the *1Mbps* barrier because of >crappy Bell lines (just north-west of Annex). > >b) I couldn't bare having another service with Rogers as I hate dealing >with them as company for cell, TV, etc. [shudder]. What about Look? Is their wireless ISP service available again? -- Neil Watson | Gentoo Linux Network Administrator | Uptime 4 days http://watson-wilson.ca | 2.6.11.4 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ x 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 13:55:52 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:55:52 -0500 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <20060222221715.GE10948-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <43F8A4F6.7070301@zen.co.uk> <43F8B1BC.6080907@telly.org> <20060222221715.GE10948@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <1140702952.7988.23.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Wed, 2006-02-22 at 17:17 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 12:58:20PM -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote > > > >What has the group got planned to promote GNU/Linux before MS release > > >vista, as that is going to get a massive publicity push for vista > > >Just thoujght we should do something similar at around the time. > > > > Personally, I'm not sure if it's useful to put a lot of energy into > > something that is simply reactive. > > I think that we have a golden opprtunity to pick up cheap, almost-new > computers. We can make it a two-pronged attack... > > 1) Be "kinder and gentler" to the environment. Don't throw away your > almost new computer just because it doesn't run Vista in its "full glory". > It's probably fully capable of running linux. We'll take it off your > hands and use it for ourselves. > > 2) What? You're unhappy about that? Tell you what, we'll get linux > running on your machine, and you can have the benefits. Be careful. Some may interpret that as saying Linux is lightweight in features. Use the word "bloated" and "vista" together in a sentence and that might put both OSes in the correct light. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. Director of Technology 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 519-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 519-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 14:33:51 2006 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:33:51 -0500 Subject: Dell Precision Workstations with Linux In-Reply-To: <1140703786.7988.27.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <43FD10C3.4060004@rogers.com> <1140703786.7988.27.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <4BC8C856-C441-484C-B1D5-6915F874BCC4@visibleassets.com> Dell is notoriously bad for their RAID controllers. They suck.... Scan the postgresql list for recommended hardware, and Dell Perc controllers. The problem is with Dell you never know what they ship as a "Perc" controller. Dave On 23-Feb-06, at 9:09 AM, John Van Ostrand wrote: > On Wed, 2006-02-22 at 20:32 -0500, James Knott wrote: >> > c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd> > > If we're plugging vendors, Net Direct (me) sells IBM PCs, > notebooks, and > servers with Linux installed. The pricing is very comparable to Dell, > but the IBM's quality and commitment to Linux is unmatched by Dell. > > -- > John Van Ostrand > Net Direct Inc. > > Director of Technology > 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 > Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 > map > john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org > Ph: 519-883-1172 > ext.5102 > Linux Solutions / IBM > Hardware > Fx: 519-883-8533 > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 14:33:52 2006 From: hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Herb Richter) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:33:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Feb 28th. NewTLUG meeting: The Bash Shell and extensions Message-ID: This month's NewTLUG meeting will be held Tues Feb 28th., at the IBM offices 3600 Steeles Ave E. Date: Feb 28, 2006 Time: 7:00 to 10:00pm Speaker: William Park William Park learned Unix using the original Bourne shell. And, he has come full-circle back to shell. If he's not busy selling Linux thin-clients, he's busy writing patches for Bash shell, giving other scripting languages a run for their money. He uses Vi so much that even his command line is in Vi mode. He will give short presentation on his Bash extensions, http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/index.html#bashdiff He will also take questions about Bash shell in general, so newbies are encourage to come out and ask away. Summary: BashDiff is a patch against Bash-3.0 shell, incorporating many useful features from Awk, Python, Zsh, Ksh, and others. It implements in the main core: - new brace expansion {a..b} --- integer/letter generation, positional parameters and array expansion - new parameter expansion ${var|...} --- content filtering, list comprehension (like Python), regex/string splitting and joining, Python-like string methods, emulation of associative array lookup, etc. - extended case statement --- regex, continuation, then/else sections extended for/while/until loops --- then/else sections, multiple for-loop variables - try-block with string exception (like Python) - new <<+ here-document --- relative indentation - new <<<< here-file and as dynamically loadable builtins: - extended read/echo builtins --- DOS lines, CSV format, and Awk emulation sscanf(3), and wrappers, ASCII/string conversion, and binary number conversion. - new raise builtin for try-block array cut/splicing, array filter/map/zip/unzip (like Python) - HTML template engine (like PHP, JSP, ASP) - GDBM, SQLite, PostgreSQL, and MySQL database interface - Expat XML parser interface - stack/queue operations on arrays and positional parameters - x-y character plot - Libwebserver (embedded web server) interface - GTK+2 interface for simple GUI dialog or layout - RPN calculator (like HP calculator) Location: IBM offices 3600 Steeles Ave East, north side of Steeles at Pharmacy/Esna Park (between Victoria Park and Warden) http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?mapdata=nGCyq1371PhhgCmx6Z%2b1cDMK7StVSEOC8pv6WLEwpPl4J5csVKolXMC1br3AveG47eAtFWeuZ%2bwJ2KM5Oq7LBuLnoWwdmj0b8XrxuhJWdRt2Mc4gVOIEVqcICHRlLm6XTuuZzJMzAZAf3OoErhbEoEZ9FStAjnRb7vrPmDxfzc6Dkdp3pAlh6ZFovnxcYwyt1e0eUfOZpFdN4rspAMvur8zk2XOMgoEZ6s2G1gxGZI6fILrLIfssN9UqLRPAuYnV84Fbwn7amW8Y%2fM6NeCfvcJVGtRhNNBCahqzxnGwYk6G9JBDVKNwGC7biOuwnI5nkx95wKeq%2brOPhXzRb4XSHbA%3d%3d (sorry for the wrap) -- Important -- all attendees will be required to have a security badge. Badges should be prepared in advance. If you plan to attend, please send your name to Paul (off-list at ) preferably, before Monday Feb 27. ...and please be sure to return badges to the front reception at the end of the session. Thanks: to Paul for helping NewTLUG not only by arranging for a room and hosting our meetings at IBM but also with looking after the badges. Badges: please email Paul Mora to pre-register Directions: Meet at the front entrance well before 7:00pm (6:30 recommended) to pickup your ID badge. At about 7:00 we'll be escorted to the auditorium. Some provision will be made for anyone arriving a little late. Parking: Parking is available in the visitor parkade from 6:00pm to 11:00pm. -- Herb Richter Toronto, Ontario http://PartsAndService.com http://PartsAndService.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 14:34:20 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:34:20 -0500 Subject: hp psc 1610 in FC2 Message-ID: <20060223143420.1963.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Is the HP PSC 1610 supported in linux? I'm running FC2. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 14:59:22 2006 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:59:22 -0500 Subject: Dell Precision Workstations with Linux In-Reply-To: <1140703786.7988.27.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <43FD10C3.4060004@rogers.com> <1140703786.7988.27.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: On 2/23/06, John Van Ostrand wrote: > > If we're plugging vendors, Net Direct (me) sells IBM PCs, notebooks, and > servers with Linux installed. The pricing is very comparable to Dell, > but the IBM's quality and commitment to Linux is unmatched by Dell. > > -- > John Van Ostrand > Net Direct Inc. John, Do you sell any refurbished/used IBM Thinkpads? I'd like to get one of those WITHOUT Microsoft. Thanks for any info. -Steve. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 15:18:39 2006 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:18:39 -0500 Subject: PSC 1610 Message-ID: <1140707919.7949.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> According to the HP Driver page, it works fine. http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/productsmf.php John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 15:19:01 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:19:01 -0500 Subject: hp psc 1610 in FC2 In-Reply-To: <20060223143420.1963.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060223143420.1963.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4386c5b20602230719u73016c6co2e19aa1dde7621a1@mail.gmail.com> Hi there, There is apparently a solution provided by HP for this printer. I found your printer on this page, listed as supported: http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/productsmf.php#service And apparently the driver package you need, HPLIP, is avialable from here: http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/install.php#HPLIP Good luck! Aaron. On 2/23/06, caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > Is the HP PSC 1610 supported in linux? I'm running FC2. > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 15:28:45 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:28:45 -0500 Subject: State of the art spam control? In-Reply-To: <87slqa19fk.fsf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <43C26852.1070109@georgetown.wehave.net> <87slqa19fk.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060223152845.GP29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 05:39:17AM -0800, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > In the latest Linux Weekly News, the grumpy editor reviews multiple > Bayesian spam filters. Spamassassin still wins, kind of. When I switched from spamassassin to bogofilter, the amount of spam that made it to my inbox was drastically reduced. It does need training of course, and the database does take some disk space, but I am not going back to spam assassin. There is just no comparison. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 15:54:42 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:54:42 -0500 Subject: Dell Precision Workstations with Linux In-Reply-To: References: <43FD10C3.4060004@rogers.com> <1140703786.7988.27.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <1140710082.7988.49.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 09:59 -0500, bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > John, > > Do you sell any refurbished/used IBM Thinkpads? I'd like to get one of > those WITHOUT Microsoft. > > Thanks for any info. > > -Steve. Yes we do. They can be hard to find a model that fits you. It may not matter, there have been recent specials of new notebooks for as little as $899cdn. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. Director of Technology 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 519-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 16:22:53 2006 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:22:53 -0500 Subject: State of the art spam control? Message-ID: I think everyone has his favourite. I switched from spamassassin to dspam and it uses similar approach as mozilla's TB does. -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sent: February 23, 2006 10:29 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: State of the art spam control? On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 05:39:17AM -0800, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > In the latest Linux Weekly News, the grumpy editor reviews multiple > Bayesian spam filters. Spamassassin still wins, kind of. When I switched from spamassassin to bogofilter, the amount of spam that made it to my inbox was drastically reduced. It does need training of course, and the database does take some disk space, but I am not going back to spam assassin. There is just no comparison. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Is their wireless ISP service available again? According to the postal code look-up on their site, the wireless ISP service and the TV service are not available in downtown Toronto (!?). But I think that their tools are borked, since the DSL-availability phone number look-up says that I can't get it, but my neighbour can. //mts -- "Playing safe is only playing." Fortune Cookie from Simon's Wok -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 17:27:30 2006 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:27:30 -0500 Subject: Another Residential Connection In-Reply-To: <22318ee50602230833l1103056bp4a83a1d0b8b7cf42-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <92ee967a0602221345u3da984a5xc6e36b675b0f0fee@mail.gmail.com> <43FD40D6.6060301@tworkowski.com> <20060223135137.GA10084@ettin> <22318ee50602230833l1103056bp4a83a1d0b8b7cf42@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92ee967a0602230927h344919a0qdfeafc32615d1012@mail.gmail.com> Thanks everyone, There's a lot of good advice in this thread. I'll suffer 3web's support a little longer, then try the dry DSL. I think 3web had trouble billing me because my credit card mailing address isn't the address of the install. So they canceled my transaction and neglected to inform me. It would be called "customer service" if I had some kind of service. But I guess if I'm not a customer and it is not service, 3web billing support is just a psychological abuse line. They're polite though. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 17:33:46 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:33:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Society of Internet Professionals Meeting. Message-ID: <20060223173346.10997.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I hope/trust the vast majority of people on this list are planning to be at the NewTLUG meeting next Tuesday. For those not planning to learn about the wonders of the BASH shell program here another possible option for next Tuesday that I was asked to forward on to this group... Colin McGregor -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Subject: Announcements on Society of Internet Professionals and Innovation Toronto events From: "Martina Ernst" Date: Fri, February 10, 2006 4:20 pm To: "Martina Ernst" Priority: Normal Hello, This is not your usual e-mail newsletter. This newsletter keeps people informed about worthwhile community initiatives I am involved in. Thank you for reading on and I hope you will find the following Society of Internet Professionals' event and Innovation Toronto initiative interesting. You are all cordially invited to the Society of Internet Professional?s event about Identity Theft on 28th February. (SIP) is an international not-for-profit organization. SIP's mission is to enhance educational and professional standards for Internet professionals. As such, SIP has created the Accredited Internet Professional (AIP) designation. Identity Theft: How you can prevent it Join us to learn from Experts and Network with your Peers Identity theft is emerging as the most rapidly growing crime of the 21st century. According to a recent survey conducted by Deloitte, one in five respondents has been the victim of identity fraud or theft. The threat is increasing significantly, and methods of identity theft are becoming more sophisticated every year. SIP has assembled a panel, the knowledge and insight of the speakers, will interest you, as a corporation or as an individual to detect, manage and prevent identity theft. Date and Time Tuesday February 28, 2006, 6 pm to 9 pm Location Estonian House, 958 Broadview Ave (North of Danforth), Toronto, ON M4K 2R6 Free Parking Registration $15 Win door prizes, receive Id Theft Survey/Report, snacks and refreshments provided. Members and students: $10 All pre-registered attendees will also receive Resource Kit. Up to date Details & Online Registration http://www.sipgroup.org/symposiums/identity/ Max Haroon, AIP President Tel: (416) 891-4937 http://www.sipgroup.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Learn from experts and network with your peers Protection from Identity Theft on Feb 28, 2006 http://www.sipgroup.org/symposiums/identity/ Hope to see you there. Some of you may also have heard of the next project. Innovation..Toronto reSource Project is in need of computer donations and willing customers. The reSource Project is a recycling/ training project of Innovation Toronto and is part of an ongoing series of events to support community projects. Please check www.reSourceproject.org for details. Innovation Toronto is the umbrella organization for 2 charities working to aid social innovation in the Greater Toronto Area. The project has three components: a) Collection component: The project accepts donations of gently used still working computer technology. The items can be dropped off at 169 Eastern Ave, Toronto, or for larger shipments pick-up can be arranged. b) Training component: The reSource Project provides training places for aspiring computer technicians, provides first job placements and works closely with other training institutes. c) Reuse and recycling component: The technology that is repaired and tested is then either donated or sold at an affordable price to the community. Opening hours: Monday to Thursday 9.30 am to 4 pm Fridays 9.30 am to 12 noon Saturdays 2 pm to 5 pm Where: 169 Eastern Ave, Toronto Pentium III computers are available from $80 + TAX. 15" Monitors $20.00 Extra + TAX and 17" Monitors $40.00 Extra + TAX. Also printers and other equipment are available. To Obtain a Pentium II computer system (including 15? monitor): a.. Volunteer at Innovation Toronto for one day, OR b.. Volunteer at any registered non-profit/charitable organization for one day and bring a letter from the organization to show your volunteer work. OR c.. Pay $30 + TAX As you can imaging the project can only be kept alive if technology is donated and items are bought. If you could advise me on either that would be great. Maybe one of your clients want to upgrade their computers and do not know what to do with the old ones. Maybe you know of someone that could benefit from a donated or inexpensive computer. Thank you for your time and I hope to see you at the SIP event or at Innovation Toronto. Kind regards, Martina Ernst Martina Ernst, MBA ME Strategic Management A Division of 2044949 Ontario Inc martinaernst-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org www.2044949OntarioInc.com tel: fax: (416) 778 6925 (416) 778 6925 Add me to your address book... Want a signature like this? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 17:35:22 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:35:22 -0500 Subject: Another Residential Connection In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0602230927h344919a0qdfeafc32615d1012-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <92ee967a0602221345u3da984a5xc6e36b675b0f0fee@mail.gmail.com> <43FD40D6.6060301@tworkowski.com> <20060223135137.GA10084@ettin> <22318ee50602230833l1103056bp4a83a1d0b8b7cf42@mail.gmail.com> <92ee967a0602230927h344919a0qdfeafc32615d1012@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060223173522.GB10084@ettin> On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 12:27:30PM -0500, Mike Kallies wrote: >It would be called "customer service" if I had some kind of service. >But I guess if I'm not a customer and it is not service, 3web billing >support is just a psychological abuse line. Some good google work may reveal a VP of customer service that you can contact. I once had a problem with Look. Our Feature magazine for the movie channels kept getting lost. I continuously called customer support. They assured me that it would not happen again but, it always did. In the end I searched and found the email address of a VP. I mailed him my story. Our Feature magazine has arrived on time ever since. -- Neil Watson | Gentoo Linux Network Administrator | Uptime 5 days http://watson-wilson.ca | 2.6.11.4 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ x 2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 18:08:55 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:08:55 -0500 Subject: Make some profit from a killer. In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0602192000w1c2acd9fse69b1f86df493867-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060219235847.GA3995@waltdnes.org> <8C803D7708D08D2-10E4-22DB7@mblkn-m11.sysops.aol.com> <99a6c38f0602192000w1c2acd9fse69b1f86df493867@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1140718135.4197.11.camel@spot1.localhost.com> While I see your point you may have be less critical when you discover your basic rights to use Linux are revoked by some despot(s) on the grounds that Linux is a threat to National Security or some other BS. RickT http://www.TorontoNUI.ca On Sun, 2006-02-19 at 23:00 -0500, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 2/19/06, Christopher Browne wrote: > > On 2/19/06, frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > This is a kind of moral issue not a legal issue. > > > In April, President Bush will shake hands with the killer from China. What > > > you say? > [...] > > But perhaps I'm wrong, and this is actually the "Let's gripe about the > > demerits of George W Bush" mailing list. I have been wrong before; > > perhaps this is one of those cases. > > Somehow I don't think your wrong here... but I've blindly jumped on > some topics and stretched the bounds of the acceptable use policy > myself. > > I recently re-read the policy at > http://www.gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists and will also try to keep the > correct focus forthwith. > > -- > Scott Elcomb > psema4.gotdns.com > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 19:01:42 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:01:42 -0500 Subject: Make some profit from a killer. In-Reply-To: <1140718135.4197.11.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <20060219235847.GA3995@waltdnes.org> <8C803D7708D08D2-10E4-22DB7@mblkn-m11.sysops.aol.com> <99a6c38f0602192000w1c2acd9fse69b1f86df493867@mail.gmail.com> <1140718135.4197.11.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: On 2/23/06, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > While I see your point you may have be less critical when you discover > your basic rights to use Linux are revoked by some despot(s) on the > grounds that Linux is a threat to National Security or some other BS. Using Linux is in no way a "basic right." The typical "basic rights" are things like: - Right to life, liberty security of person - Freedom from inhumane treatment - Freedom of thought, conscience, religion Use of Linux is quite far distant from being a "basic" right... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 19:04:25 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:04:25 -0500 Subject: Make some profit from a killer. In-Reply-To: References: <20060219235847.GA3995@waltdnes.org> <8C803D7708D08D2-10E4-22DB7@mblkn-m11.sysops.aol.com> <99a6c38f0602192000w1c2acd9fse69b1f86df493867@mail.gmail.com> <1140718135.4197.11.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <1140721465.4197.13.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Sure buddy...what ever you say. On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 14:01 -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > On 2/23/06, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > While I see your point you may have be less critical when you discover > > your basic rights to use Linux are revoked by some despot(s) on the > > grounds that Linux is a threat to National Security or some other BS. > > Using Linux is in no way a "basic right." > > The typical "basic rights" are things like: > - Right to life, liberty security of person > - Freedom from inhumane treatment > - Freedom of thought, conscience, religion > > Use of Linux is quite far distant from being a "basic" right... > -- > http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html > "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him > absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jim-3N9/NUsc0oNv0lssq1+4Ag at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 23 19:24:39 2006 From: jim-3N9/NUsc0oNv0lssq1+4Ag at public.gmane.org (Jim Van Meggelen) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:24:39 -0500 Subject: Make some profit from a killer. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060223192355.HSNM16051.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@p3000> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf > Of Christopher Browne > Sent: February 23, 2006 2:02 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Make some profit from a killer. > > On 2/23/06, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > While I see your point you may have be less critical when > you discover > > your basic rights to use Linux are revoked by some despot(s) on the > > grounds that Linux is a threat to National Security or some > other BS. > > Using Linux is in no way a "basic right." > > The typical "basic rights" are things like: > - Right to life, liberty security of person > - Freedom from inhumane treatment > - Freedom of thought, conscience, religion > > Use of Linux is quite far distant from being a "basic" right... It will be we we all have chips in our heads! Jim. -- Jim Van Meggelen jim-3N9/NUsc0oNv0lssq1+4Ag at public.gmane.org http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/2177 "A child is the ultimate startup, and I have three. This makes me rich." Guy Kawasaki -- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/267 - Release Date: 22/02/2006 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 02:17:02 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:17:02 -0500 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <1140702952.7988.23.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <43F8A4F6.7070301@zen.co.uk> <43F8B1BC.6080907@telly.org> <20060222221715.GE10948@waltdnes.org> <1140702952.7988.23.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <20060224021702.GC11914@waltdnes.org> On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 08:55:52AM -0500, John Van Ostrand wrote > Be careful. Some may interpret that as saying Linux is lightweight in > features. Use the word "bloated" and "vista" together in a sentence and > that might put both OSes in the correct light. Would this be understandable by the average person... - linux is more efficient than Windows - In Windows, many functions are *ALWAYS* loaded and using up resources even if when you don't need them, because they're integrated into the kernel - linux is more modular. You can customize it to your taste. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 02:39:34 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:39:34 -0500 Subject: British bureaucrat freaked out by free software Message-ID: <20060224023934.GD11914@waltdnes.org> No readers, this is *NOT* a a scene from Monty Python or Yes Minister. http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-2051196,00.html -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 02:44:58 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:44:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <20060224021702.GC11914-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <43F8A4F6.7070301@zen.co.uk> <43F8B1BC.6080907@telly.org> <20060222221715.GE10948@waltdnes.org> <1140702952.7988.23.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <20060224021702.GC11914@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <50423.207.188.65.194.1140749098.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Would this be understandable by the average person... > > - linux is more efficient than Windows > > - In Windows, many functions are *ALWAYS* loaded and using up > resources even if when you don't need them, because they're > integrated into the kernel > > - linux is more modular. You can customize it to your taste. > As someone put it to me the other day, it's important in sales to talk about benefits, not about features. So people need to hear 'Why should I go up this learning curve?' The arguments need to be incredibly succinct - as in, you should be able to make them to someone in an elevator, on your trip between floors. As well, the arguments need to be simple enough that *anyone* can understand them. (I've heard that called the 'grandmother' argument, but that's a bit unfair to some very sharp grandmothers.) I've found the arguments 'fewer hassles, lower cost' will work, providing that the person is at all open to change. It seems to me that efficiency, what's loaded, and modularity are rather esoteric arguments. I like them, but that's not a good sign. For example, imagine a commercial where there are two images: Microsoft office, Open office. Underneath each one are their prices: $800, $0. And then some brief comment, like, 'Maybe it's time to look at Open Software', or, more maliciously, 'Maybe we should dump our Microsoft stock'. It's simple and unambiguous. On the other hand, there is a good argument for not coming to the attention of Microsoft, so you have to have a good reason and good backup to pursue this. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 04:51:52 2006 From: right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org (Amos H. Weatherill) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:51:52 -0500 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <20060224021702.GC11914-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20060224021702.GC11914@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: Hi, guys and gals. Walter, I'm afraid that you may be overestimating the intelligence of the average individual. As someone who supports "average" users (currently on Windows but I hope, soon on Linux as well) I have to say that I am not encouraged by the intelligence level that I keep running into. I think that you should stick with your first statement about Linux and provide more information if it is asked for. A more telling statement from their perspective might be to say that using Linux would not require a hardware upgrade in most cases, unlike Vista, which is sure to require a memory upgrade as a minimum. Also we should mention that System level crashes are far less frequent with Linux. (That's the dreaded "BSOD" to Windows users) -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Walter Dnes Sent: February 23, 2006 9:17 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Promoting Linux before release of vista On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 08:55:52AM -0500, John Van Ostrand wrote > Be careful. Some may interpret that as saying Linux is lightweight in > features. Use the word "bloated" and "vista" together in a sentence and > that might put both OSes in the correct light. Would this be understandable by the average person... - linux is more efficient than Windows - In Windows, many functions are *ALWAYS* loaded and using up resources even if when you don't need them, because they're integrated into the kernel - linux is more modular. You can customize it to your taste. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 07:11:33 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:11:33 -0500 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: References: <20060224021702.GC11914@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0602232311g5670f6b3h11794e3f9cefaa63@mail.gmail.com> On 2/23/06, Amos H. Weatherill wrote: > Walter, I'm afraid that you may be overestimating the intelligence of the > average individual. As someone who supports "average" users (currently > on Windows but I hope, soon on Linux as well) I have to say that I am not > encouraged by the intelligence level that I keep running into. Maybe so, but I'm sure I've said this a couple times (though maybe not necissarily on this list) - we've reached the point of critical mass already. People are smarter than we give them credit for (on average) I think. Perhaps I'm wrong, but being over-cautious, I don't think so. (All my "calculations" are "fuzzy," so take that with a grain of salt...) > I think that you should stick with your first statement about Linux and > provide more information if it is asked for. Never give more information than is needed... Wizards First Rule (ref=Terry Goodkind) > A more telling statement from their perspective might be to say that using > Linux would not require a hardware upgrade in most cases, unlike Vista, > which is sure to require a memory upgrade as a minimum. > > Also we should mention that System level crashes are far less frequent > with Linux. (That's the dreaded "BSOD" to Windows users) I (personnally) think Walter's on the right track. Maybe not precise, but those who're still stuck in the advertising world of m$ (or worse, don't know any better) should respond effectively. Anyone (including Mr. Hiscocks) who can refine that better for Windoze Users - well so much the better. There is still something nagging at my soul (or "being" or whatever you'd like to call it) that defies any explanation I can give... something about the difference between users and "lusers" - or something between owners and "renters" (those who accept Microsoft EULA's) that I can't quite put my finger on... If anyone could help me identify that, I would be much obliged... -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 08:01:24 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:01:24 -0500 Subject: Feb 28th. NewTLUG meeting: The Bash Shell and extensions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99a6c38f0602240001u3b4ea58ew8ce75a84980a0bd4@mail.gmail.com> On 2/23/06, Herb Richter wrote: > This month's NewTLUG meeting will be held Tues Feb 28th., at the IBM > offices 3600 Steeles Ave E. Anyone travelling in from Brampton / West GTA and willing to take passengers? =) -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From slackrat-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 10:58:33 2006 From: slackrat-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:58:33 +0100 Subject: Mounting File System Message-ID: <43FEE6D9.7060304@wanadoo.fr> I seem to be unable to mount a vfat system so that it is rw for any user Can anyone help with exactly what I should have in fstab? Thanks -- F?licitations Slack Rat (Bill Henderson) Dit 'NON' aux brevets Logiciels http://brevets-logiciels.info/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 12:02:06 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:02:06 +0000 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> I agree, but comments regarding intelligence are a bit harsh, and may go against us,. what you need to do is demonstrate the differences between the two, or rather push the phillosopy of Free software, rather than Linux (which after all is simply a kernel), We can push Openoffice to families who perhaps would not otherwise be able to afford MS Office, but feel obliged to spend money they would rather spend on more important things (e.g food, heating, etc), We can push Mozilla suite because it's free software, plus it's more secure, If reboot canada or resource can help us, we can look in to providing computers with e-mail and web access to members of the community, perhaps isolated areas, where that community need to keep in touch with the out side world, or perhaps provide ways for people a long way from family to keep in touch cheaply, is it worth spending money on windows when all that person is doing is sending an e-mail to friends, or browsing a few web sites. Are we pushing Linux or open source? Given the problems with outlook think what a difference simply switching to thunderbird would make and teaching people based web security / safety, from the outset. if we can reduce the spread of e-mail based viruses, it will save a lot of people, time, money and headache. If Linux / OSS is Un-american than I am sure as Canadians, you can jump on that, and use that to your advantage, un-American is not unCanadian, surely we can come up with something, given your closer in relations to the Uk than you are to the US, Canada Vs the US, or The commonwealth vs America, Linux is popuar in India, (another commonweath country), Any ideas. Paul Amos H. Weatherill wrote: >Hi, guys and gals. > >Walter, I'm afraid that you may be overestimating the intelligence of the >average individual. As someone who supports "average" users (currently >on Windows but I hope, soon on Linux as well) I have to say that I am not >encouraged by the intelligence level that I keep running into. > >I think that you should stick with your first statement about Linux and >provide more information if it is asked for. > >A more telling statement from their perspective might be to say that using >Linux would not require a hardware upgrade in most cases, unlike Vista, >which is sure to require a memory upgrade as a minimum. > >Also we should mention that System level crashes are far less frequent >with Linux. (That's the dreaded "BSOD" to Windows users) > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Walter >Dnes >Sent: February 23, 2006 9:17 PM >To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Promoting Linux before release of vista > > >On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 08:55:52AM -0500, John Van Ostrand wrote > > > >>Be careful. Some may interpret that as saying Linux is lightweight in >>features. Use the word "bloated" and "vista" together in a sentence and >>that might put both OSes in the correct light. >> >> > > Would this be understandable by the average person... > > - linux is more efficient than Windows > > - In Windows, many functions are *ALWAYS* loaded and using up > resources even if when you don't need them, because they're > integrated into the kernel > > - linux is more modular. You can customize it to your taste. > > > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 12:26:27 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:26:27 -0500 Subject: New MS product "Vista" named after toilet paper dispenser Message-ID: <1140783987.10107.5.camel@spot1.localhost.com> New MS product has been named honoring toilet paper dispenser. http://www.ontimesupplies.com/Jumbo_Vista_Single_Jumbo_Roll_Bathroom_Tissue_Dispenser_skugroup_13740.html Seems appropriate... RickT http://www.TorontoNUI.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 12:27:36 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:27:36 -0500 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <43FEF5BE.8080105-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I think the selling point is this: With Linux, you never have to reboot in the middle of doing something because your computer slowed down. also... With Linux, if it ran fast last month, it runs fast now. I use a P4 3Ghz machine with a Gb of high-quality RAM at work, and it does *not one thing* quickly. I can't look at menus fast, I can't get a right-click fast, and if I pass the mouse over the "Recent Documents" submenu the whole machine locks for five seconds. Windoze is for the very, very patient, and that doesn't describe many people. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 12:37:44 2006 From: frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:37:44 -0500 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <20060224122736.GA9184-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> The Chinese foreign minister says Bill Gates has invited the Chinese President Hu Jintao to visit his house during his US trip in April. This guy named Hu Jintao killed about 60 Lamas in Tibet as a direct commander. During the governance of this guy, dozens of peasants in Guangdong Province have been killed by the army in a land transfer dispute and the casualties are trucked and dumped to the sea. The government pays only $25,000USD for each casualty to shut them up. Some kids have lost both parents and do not know how to cook and are begging in the village. The police beat them up. One woman has lost her husband and could not stop crying and talking around, the government hire criminal gangsters and cut one of her fingers off to shut her up! Also in this province, cat-eating is legal and popular. Now, under the governance of this guy, you can have a baby meal for just $1,250USD. Sadly to let female readers to know, baby girl?s price is only half of the price of a baby boy. Even in US and Canada, I don?t think there is a law to prohibit people eating babies from women abolish. I have photos to show you the baby under the kitchen knife and the meal but I did not attach it to this email. I am not sure it is legal or not to distribute these kind of material. I can email you privately if you want. By the way, now there are hundreds people huger-striking in China, and the police are arresting them. Have you heard a police man arresting a huger-striker in his own house? I swear I will never buy any Micro$oft product. You guys please do something otherwise some day; there will be baby meals for sale in Chinese restaurant and free deliver to your door! ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 13:21:22 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:21:22 -0500 Subject: Security of Open Source ASP Implementations Message-ID: <1140787282.3347.11.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> I had a job interview yesterday with a well-known Toronto non-profit organization. They had been running Linux but had decided to outsource their IT requirements to Bell (or a Bell affiliate). As part of the deal, the organization is required to switch to all Microsoft products and Active Server Pages. This is partly because Bell has a business agreement with Microsoft not to support rival products like Linux. But when asked about open source ASP products, the organization was told that they were "insecure". Just curious but does anyone know anything about security issues regarding any of the open source ASP implementations? Say, versus Microsoft ASP (that is, IIS)? Ken B. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 13:29:43 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:29:43 -0500 Subject: Security of Open Source ASP Implementations In-Reply-To: <1140787282.3347.11.camel-sLtTAFnw5m7xXJQZHMdDwiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1140787282.3347.11.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: <43FF0A47.2000103@rogers.com> Ken Burtch wrote: > I had a job interview yesterday with a well-known Toronto non-profit > organization. They had been running Linux but had decided to outsource > their IT requirements to Bell (or a Bell affiliate). As part of the > deal, the organization is required to switch to all Microsoft products > and Active Server Pages. This is partly because Bell has a business > agreement with Microsoft not to support rival products like Linux. But > when asked about open source ASP products, the organization was told > that they were "insecure". It looks like they've become even more non-profit. ;-) It sounds more like the proposal was made with a shovel. It's obious Bell has an agenda to push that has little to do with a customers requirements. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 13:35:46 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:35:46 -0500 Subject: Security of Open Source ASP Implementations In-Reply-To: <1140787282.3347.11.camel-sLtTAFnw5m7xXJQZHMdDwiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1140787282.3347.11.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: <1140788146.10107.11.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Security is largely political when comparing Linux to Windows. Similar to the old "world is flat vs round debate" of yore. So long as development is centralized (Redmond, etc.) the world's data will be secure. Part of the new world order and such. RickT http://www.TorontoNUI.ca On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 08:21 -0500, Ken Burtch wrote: > I had a job interview yesterday with a well-known Toronto non-profit > organization. They had been running Linux but had decided to outsource > their IT requirements to Bell (or a Bell affiliate). As part of the > deal, the organization is required to switch to all Microsoft products > and Active Server Pages. This is partly because Bell has a business > agreement with Microsoft not to support rival products like Linux. But > when asked about open source ASP products, the organization was told > that they were "insecure". > > Just curious but does anyone know anything about security issues > regarding any of the open source ASP implementations? Say, versus > Microsoft ASP (that is, IIS)? > > Ken B. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 13:58:56 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:58:56 -0500 Subject: Mounting File System In-Reply-To: <43FEE6D9.7060304-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEE6D9.7060304@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <1140789536.7988.97.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 11:58 +0100, Slack Rat wrote: > I seem to be unable to mount a vfat system so that it is rw for any user > > Can anyone help with exactly what I should have in fstab? Are you able to mount it at all? If you can mount it them check the permissions of the mount point directory. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. Director of Technology 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 519-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You need to set the correct umask option in fstab. Something like 0 for example... --behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 14:33:49 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:33:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0602232311g5670f6b3h11794e3f9cefaa63-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20060224021702.GC11914@waltdnes.org> <99a6c38f0602232311g5670f6b3h11794e3f9cefaa63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50739.207.188.65.194.1140791629.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > There is still something nagging at my soul (or "being" or whatever > you'd like to call it) that defies any explanation I can give... > something about the difference between users and "lusers" - or > something between owners and "renters" (those who accept Microsoft > EULA's) that I can't quite put my finger on... If anyone could help > me identify that, I would be much obliged... Perhaps one could say it's the difference between being the user of a product and a member of a community. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 15:01:49 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:01:49 +0000 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <43FF01F9.8030403-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <43FF01F9.8030403@rogers.com> Message-ID: <43FF1FDD.4060300@zen.co.uk> what about having to reboot after installing applications, just installed acrobat reader (well upgraded) it wanteda reboot, as I was busy I opted to do this later, well later came, I just shut down, this morning back into windows, I get a message from acrobat saying it needs to reboot my computer, duh. Apt-get install application, downloads, installs, carry on working, no reboot nonsense, good selling point. I think I have turned off te auto reboot feature in windows, even though windows does not recommend this, which in doing so its recommending rebooting while working and hense losing data, Incedently I try and do the same i.e tell people that with Linux I don't get these problems at least it gives you a chance to tell people there is more to life than Windows. Paul >> >>With Linux, you never have to reboot in the middle of doing something >>because your computer slowed down. >> >> > >I currently provide Windows support to users in a very large company. >On occasion, while working with the users about some problem they're >experiencing with Windows, I might mention how their problem simply >doesn't happen with Linux. >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 15:06:38 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:06:38 +0000 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <20060224122736.GA9184-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <43FF20FE.1060703@zen.co.uk> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >I think the selling point is this: > >With Linux, you never have to reboot in the middle of doing something >because your computer slowed down. > >also... > >With Linux, if it ran fast last month, it runs fast now. > > I assume your talking about Windows, I have the same problem with a 1.6 ghz amd duron and 1ghz ram, so it's not just me. Linux on the other hand runs smoothly, fast. I am also using kingston memory, so i guess again thats high quality ram. >I use a P4 3Ghz machine with a Gb of high-quality RAM at work, and it >does *not one thing* quickly. I can't look at menus fast, I can't get a >right-click fast, and if I pass the mouse over the "Recent Documents" >submenu the whole machine locks for five seconds. Windoze is for the >very, very patient, and that doesn't describe many people. > > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nyetwork-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 15:08:09 2006 From: nyetwork-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Leigh Honeywell) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:08:09 -0500 Subject: Security of Open Source ASP Implementations In-Reply-To: <1140787282.3347.11.camel-sLtTAFnw5m7xXJQZHMdDwiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1140787282.3347.11.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: <17c359fc0602240708u687845c8k9a638626641452e4@mail.gmail.com> On 2/24/06, Ken Burtch wrote: > I had a job interview yesterday with a well-known Toronto non-profit > organization. They had been running Linux but had decided to outsource > their IT requirements to Bell (or a Bell affiliate). As part of the > deal, the organization is required to switch to all Microsoft products > and Active Server Pages. This is partly because Bell has a business > agreement with Microsoft not to support rival products like Linux. But > when asked about open source ASP products, the organization was told > that they were "insecure". > > Just curious but does anyone know anything about security issues > regarding any of the open source ASP implementations? Say, versus > Microsoft ASP (that is, IIS)? > > Ken B. That's... absurd. I know Fusepoint's pro services people do Linux support. They're partly owned by Bell. Though they insist on using sendmail, yeetch. -Leigh -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 15:14:22 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:14:22 +0000 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254-yIZWdUiUUlp++nHIsbrJqLpta98KZJIQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <43FF22CE.5020507@zen.co.uk> Will forward around, I wound encourage others to do the same, we live in a democracy, how Bill gates can deal with such people I have no idea, has be no conscience, or moral values, clearly not. Paul frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > The Chinese foreign minister says Bill Gates has invited the Chinese > President Hu Jintao to visit his house during his US trip in April. > > This guy named Hu Jintao killed about 60 Lamas in Tibet as a direct > commander. > > During the governance of this guy, dozens of peasants in Guangdong > Province have been killed by the army in a land transfer dispute and > the casualties are trucked and dumped to the sea. The government pays > only $25,000USD for each casualty to shut them up. Some kids have lost > both parents and do not know how to cook and are begging in the > village. The police beat them up. One woman has lost her husband and > could not stop crying and talking around, the government hire criminal > gangsters and cut one of her fingers off to shut her up! > > Also in this province, cat-eating is legal and popular. Now, under the > governance of this guy, you can have a baby meal for just $1,250USD. > Sadly to let female readers to know, baby girl?s price is only half of > the price of a baby boy. Even in US and Canada, I don?t think there > is a law to prohibit people eating babies from women abolish. I have > photos to show you the baby under the kitchen knife and the meal but I > did not attach it to this email. I am not sure it is legal or not to > distribute these kind of material. I can email you privately if you want. > > By the way, now there are hundreds people huger-striking in China, and > the police are arresting them. Have you heard a police man arresting a > huger-striker in his own house? > > I swear I will never buy any Micro$oft product. You guys please do > something otherwise some day; there will be baby meals for sale in > Chinese restaurant and free deliver to your door! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Try the New Netscape Mail Today!* > Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List > http://mail.netscape.com -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 15:30:13 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:30:13 -0500 Subject: Security of Open Source ASP Implementations In-Reply-To: <17c359fc0602240708u687845c8k9a638626641452e4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1140787282.3347.11.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <17c359fc0602240708u687845c8k9a638626641452e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1140795014.3347.24.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 10:08 -0500, Leigh Honeywell wrote: > On 2/24/06, Ken Burtch wrote: > > I had a job interview yesterday with a well-known Toronto non-profit > > organization. They had been running Linux but had decided to outsource > > their IT requirements to Bell (or a Bell affiliate). As part of the > > deal, the organization is required to switch to all Microsoft products > > and Active Server Pages. This is partly because Bell has a business > > agreement with Microsoft not to support rival products like Linux. But > > when asked about open source ASP products, the organization was told > > that they were "insecure". > > > > Just curious but does anyone know anything about security issues > > regarding any of the open source ASP implementations? Say, versus > > Microsoft ASP (that is, IIS)? > > > > Ken B. > > That's... absurd. I know Fusepoint's pro services people do Linux > support. They're partly owned by Bell. I don't know if they are working, or are aware of, Fusepoint. If it was a Bell affiliate with Linux consultants, the claim of insecurity might just be FUD to push the organization towards Microsoft products for some other reason: perhaps, a lack of available consultants. Who knows? I was just curious if anyone experienced open source ASP issues or if it was FUD. Does anyone know the names of Linux ASP products so I can do a CERT.org search for security advisories? Ken B. > Though they insist on using sendmail, yeetch. > > -Leigh > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 15:37:36 2006 From: behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:37:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Security of Open Source ASP Implementations In-Reply-To: <1140795014.3347.24.camel-sLtTAFnw5m7xXJQZHMdDwiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1140787282.3347.11.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <17c359fc0602240708u687845c8k9a638626641452e4@mail.gmail.com> <1140795014.3347.24.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Ken Burtch wrote: > I was just curious if anyone experienced open source ASP issues or if it > was FUD. Does anyone know the names of Linux ASP products so I can do a > CERT.org search for security advisories? It's called Mono. > Ken B. > > > Though they insist on using sendmail, yeetch. > > > > -Leigh > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > --behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 15:45:42 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:45:42 -0500 Subject: Security of Open Source ASP Implementations In-Reply-To: References: <1140787282.3347.11.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <17c359fc0602240708u687845c8k9a638626641452e4@mail.gmail.com> <1140795014.3347.24.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: <4386c5b20602240745k45e3460oc3da2b6466f3def8@mail.gmail.com> > > Does anyone know the names of Linux ASP products so I can do a > > CERT.org search for security advisories? > > It's called Mono. > There is also Chilisoft's ASP solution, but it appears to have been purchased by Sun, of all companies: http://www.sun.com/software/chilisoft/index.xml Cheers, Aaron. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 15:51:54 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:51:54 -0500 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254-yIZWdUiUUlp++nHIsbrJqLpta98KZJIQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <43FF2B9A.7050903@pppoe.ca> frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > Also in this province, cat-eating is legal and popular. Now, under the > governance of this guy, you can have a baby meal for just $1,250USD. > Sadly to let female readers to know, baby girl?s price is only half of > the price of a baby boy. Even in US and Canada, I don?t think there > is a law to prohibit people eating babies from women abolish. I have > photos to show you the baby under the kitchen knife and the meal but I > did not attach it to this email. I am not sure it is legal or not to > distribute these kind of material. I can email you privately if you want. > > I swear I will never buy any Micro$oft product. You guys please do > something otherwise some day; there will be baby meals for sale in > Chinese restaurant and free deliver to your door! Frank Please confirm. Are you saying that you know of people in Guandong Province, eating human babies as meals for 1,250 US dollars a meal? That girl babies are halfprice? $US1,250? The babies are from abortions? You have photos of the baby under the knife and the meal? Because if you do, I strongly recommend that you report this to the authorities immediately. You may have knowledge of possible murder and cannibalism. I'm not a lawyer but all on the list have potential/possible knowledge of your message/knowledge. Meng Cheah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From slackrat-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 16:18:45 2006 From: slackrat-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:18:45 +0100 Subject: Mounting File System In-Reply-To: <1140789536.7988.97.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEE6D9.7060304@wanadoo.fr> <1140789536.7988.97.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <43FF31E5.9000409@wanadoo.fr> John Van Ostrand wrote: > On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 11:58 +0100, Slack Rat wrote: >> I seem to be unable to mount a vfat system so that it is rw for any user >> >> Can anyone help with exactly what I should have in fstab? > > Are you able to mount it at all? If you can mount it them check the > permissions of the mount point directory. > > -- What happens is that no matter how I chown and chmod the mountpoint, after mounting root owns it with permissions set at 0755; the original owner and permissions at the mountpoint not really counting for anything much unless the mountpoint is also used for some other purpose besides a simple mountpoint. But the root ownership and 0755 permissions are the real problem and manipulating the fstab never changes what happens after mounting. I was under the impression that noauto,users,rw would be sufficient and in fact have used that for years but all I get is an "only root can mount blah blah" I'm setting up a new portable and only recently perceived the problem And yes, I have been from one end to the other of man fstab(5) and mount(8) Possibly I have done something stupid, but the solution eludes me.......... -- F?licitations Slack Rat (Bill Henderson) Dit 'NON' aux brevets Logiciels http://brevets-logiciels.info/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 16:29:14 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:29:14 +0000 Subject: Mounting File System In-Reply-To: <43FF31E5.9000409-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEE6D9.7060304@wanadoo.fr> <1140789536.7988.97.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <43FF31E5.9000409@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: On 2/24/06, Slack Rat wrote: > What happens is that no matter how I chown and chmod the mountpoint, > after mounting root owns it with permissions set at 0755; the original > owner and permissions at the mountpoint not really counting for anything > much unless the mountpoint is also used for some other purpose besides a > simple mountpoint. > > But the root ownership and 0755 permissions are the real problem and > manipulating the fstab never changes what happens after mounting. > > I was under the impression that noauto,users,rw would be sufficient and > in fact have used that for years but all I get is an "only root can > mount blah blah" > > I'm setting up a new portable and only recently perceived the problem > > And yes, I have been from one end to the other of man fstab(5) and mount(8) > > Possibly I have done something stupid, but the solution eludes me.......... My setup is the following: cbbrowne at dba2:~/DBA/dba-tools/cfengine$ grep vfat /etc/fstab /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb vfat rw,noauto,users,user /dev/sdb2 /mnt/ipod vfat rw,noauto,users,user The "user" option is separate from "users"; it looks to me as though that may be the answer... >From "man 8 mount" user Allow an ordinary user to mount the file system. The name of the mounting user is written to mtab so that he can unmount the file system again. This option implies the options noexec, nosuid, and nodev (unless overridden by subsequent options, as in the option line user,exec,dev,suid). users Allow every user to mount and unmount the file system. This option implies the options noexec, nosuid, and nodev (unless overridden by subsequent options, as in the option line users,exec,dev,suid). -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 16:31:41 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:31:41 -0500 Subject: Mounting File System In-Reply-To: <43FEE6D9.7060304-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEE6D9.7060304@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <200602241131.41485.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Friday 24 February 2006 05:58, Slack Rat wrote: > I seem to be unable to mount a vfat system so that it is rw for any user > > Can anyone help with exactly what I should have in fstab? > > Thanks I use the following with no issues on Kubuntu. /dev/hd /mnt/whatever vfat users,rw,noauto,umask=0 0 0 -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 16:53:11 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:53:11 +0200 (IST) Subject: Security of Open Source ASP Implementations In-Reply-To: <1140788146.10107.11.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <1140787282.3347.11.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <1140788146.10107.11.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > Security is largely political when comparing Linux to Windows. Similar > to the old "world is flat vs round debate" of yore. So long as > development is centralized (Redmond, etc.) the world's data will be > secure. Part of the new world order and such. > RickT > http://www.TorontoNUI.ca 'All your base are belong to Redmond' ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 18:19:47 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:19:47 -0500 Subject: Mounting File System In-Reply-To: <43FEE6D9.7060304-39ZsbGIQGT5GWvitb5QawA@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEE6D9.7060304@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <20060224181947.GQ29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 11:58:33AM +0100, Slack Rat wrote: > I seem to be unable to mount a vfat system so that it is rw for any user > > Can anyone help with exactly what I should have in fstab? Adding dmask=0000,fmask=0111 to the mount options should take care of it. Then all the files should appear as -rw-rw-rw- and the dirs as -rwxrwxrwx. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 19:36:14 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:36:14 -0500 Subject: Security of Open Source ASP Implementations In-Reply-To: References: <1140787282.3347.11.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <1140788146.10107.11.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <1140809774.4320.7.camel@spot1.localhost.com> No sir. I was making a lame attempt at being facetious (humorous). The arrogance and unending stream of BS out of Redmond is something to behold, similar to US TV's Gerry Springer, Geraldo, CNN and an amazing array of products produced in North America which hold limited value but are marketed as 'must have' by marketers. Just goes to show for every sucker born, two are born to take advantage of them. RickT http://www.TorontoNUI.ca I reject your reality and substitute my own -- Mythbusters On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 18:53 +0200, Peter wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > > Security is largely political when comparing Linux to Windows. Similar > > to the old "world is flat vs round debate" of yore. So long as > > development is centralized (Redmond, etc.) the world's data will be > > secure. Part of the new world order and such. > > RickT > > http://www.TorontoNUI.ca > > 'All your base are belong to Redmond' ? > > Peter > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 21:02:38 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:02:38 +0200 (IST) Subject: Security of Open Source ASP Implementations In-Reply-To: <1140809774.4320.7.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <1140787282.3347.11.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <1140788146.10107.11.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1140809774.4320.7.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: I think that one has to consider Sellspeak in contrast to everyday speech and communication (and that in contrast with what is really necessary for communication). Please consider these three parabolas on communication: a) The hunter entered the clearing slowly so the native did not attack him. They looked at each other for a while. The hunter made a large waving gesture which he hoped to be friendly. The native did not react. Having no common language the two eventually shared a meal over the camp fire which the hunter helped light with matches. Later the native exchanged a bear skin for a box of matches, then they went their ways. b) Joe tells Jim he is going to buy a super-duper laptop from the internet. He tells him it's going to be the new cool kind with WiFi and media player built-in and much better than Joe's two week old laptop. Then he goes and buys it. After it arrives he shows it off to Joe. Joe is impressed but intends to buy an even cooler unit soon. c) The spokesperson of a company announces a new release of their 20-year old but still-breathing product. He exorts the great features of the product, the fact that it is better, faster, easyer and many other things than the competition. All the numbers he quotes are copied verbatim from 'lying with statistics 401', although they are few and far between. His brilliant expose goes unnoticed among a heap of a hundred similar exposes which represent the 'industry'. When finished he goes home and thinks about polishing his orator talents some more. Now, which one of these communication sessions contains the lowest semantic value, and knowing this, how would you chaff each, to obtain a reasonable set of data you can actually use ? I would do it so: a) Natives are not always hostile. Trade is possible. Gains can be made. b) The pressure to outdo someone else must be considered when buying new gear. It may cause one to spend too much or buy on impulse. c) A new version of a product may be due soon. When and if it appears, wait for professional reviews and read them when you have time. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 25 02:14:39 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:14:39 -0800 Subject: Security of Open Source ASP Implementations In-Reply-To: <1140787282.3347.11.camel-sLtTAFnw5m7xXJQZHMdDwiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1140787282.3347.11.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: On 2/24/06, Ken Burtch wrote: > I had a job interview yesterday with a well-known Toronto non-profit > organization. They had been running Linux but had decided to outsource > their IT requirements to Bell (or a Bell affiliate). As part of the > deal, the organization is required to switch to all Microsoft products > and Active Server Pages. This is partly because Bell has a business > agreement with Microsoft not to support rival products like Linux. But > when asked about open source ASP products, the organization was told > that they were "insecure". > > Just curious but does anyone know anything about security issues > regarding any of the open source ASP implementations? Say, versus > Microsoft ASP (that is, IIS)? This generally strikes me as so much nonsense. FYI, it seems unlikely that they were speaking specifically about the implementations of "OSS things that try to smell like ASP." That leaves open only a small number of often-obscure systems. They are probably instead referring (without name) to the notion of using LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl/PHP). There is, however, a way for it to be true... It may be that Bell's organization is not _competent_ to secure OSS ASP-based systems. -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 25 04:20:17 2006 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:20:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Security of Open Source ASP Implementations In-Reply-To: <1140787282.3347.11.camel-sLtTAFnw5m7xXJQZHMdDwiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1140787282.3347.11.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Ken Burtch wrote: > Just curious but does anyone know anything about security issues > regarding any of the open source ASP implementations? Say, versus > Microsoft ASP (that is, IIS)? I'm not aware of any specific problems. Bell are the ones who asserted the insecurity. It is up to them to back up this statement with specific technical arguments. - What sort of insecurity are they refering to? Expect them to be specific. - Are they asserting a structural insecurity (a fundamental flaw) or a coding problem? - If a coding problem, are they refering to an open problem or something that was fixed long ago. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net We are open 24x365 for technical support. Call us in a crisis. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 24 21:19:38 2006 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:19:38 -0500 Subject: Security of Open Source ASP Implementations In-Reply-To: References: <1140787282.3347.11.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <17c359fc0602240708u687845c8k9a638626641452e4@mail.gmail.com> <1140795014.3347.24.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: <43FF786A.60304@pobox.com> Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Ken Burtch wrote: > > >> I was just curious if anyone experienced open source ASP issues or if it >> was FUD. Does anyone know the names of Linux ASP products so I can do a >> CERT.org search for security advisories? >> > > It's called Mono. > Nope. Mono is a .NET runtime, and supports (some subset of) ASP.NET. ASP.NET has virtually nothing to do with ASP (just like Javascript has almost nothing to do with Java). ASP predates .NET by quite a few years, and is most similar in design to PHP, in terms of execution model. Basically, you have a bunch of pages with inline HTML and code that can be written in any COM-based scripting language (effectively vbscript, jscript and perl), that use COM objects to do just about anything interesting. Aside from Chilisoft, I've not heard of any other ASP-alike, and COM is the reason: the ASP engine gives you next to nothing, the default languages are extremely limited (perl is a third party install), and to do anything beyond Hello World, you need COM. Well... there is some sort of compatibility wrapper around mod_perl, I think, but it only works for ASP pages written in perl (extremely rare) and only gives you wrappers for the built-in ASP objects, and presumably the database access COM library. So it targets an extremely small audience. Even more concerning than the pushing of Microsoft is the pushing of ASP -- it's a dead technology, it has no future, it's strictly a legacy runtime that gets only critical show-stopper bug fixes. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 25 07:59:24 2006 From: shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (J. Qiang Li) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:59:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254-yIZWdUiUUlp++nHIsbrJqLpta98KZJIQ@public.gmane.org> References: <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20060225075924.95256.qmail@web54711.mail.yahoo.com> > > Also in this province, cat-eating is legal and popular. Now, under the governance of this guy, > you can have a baby meal for just $1,250USD. Sadly to let female readers to know, baby girl?s > price is only half of the price of a baby boy. Even in US and Canada, I don?t think there is a > law to prohibit people eating babies from women abolish. I have photos to show you the baby > under the kitchen knife and the meal but I did not attach it to this email. I am not sure it is > legal or not to distribute these kind of material. I can email you privately if you want. I don't agree with cat-eating. but that's not something you can judge the right or wrong. just like Korean eating dog meat too. also, someone having baby meal under Hu's governance doesn't mean He allows it or he knows about it. 'baby meal' is of course against the Chinese law. James. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 25 11:29:00 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:29:00 +0000 Subject: "Linux Format" In-Reply-To: <20060127184745.21160.qmail-XddnEKhDJlqB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060127184745.21160.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44003F7C.3050808@zen.co.uk> I will keep an eye out for it, in the UK Paul Colin McGregor wrote: >As many of you saw, on Tuesday Rebecca Smalley of >"Linux Format" approached us about doing an article on >GTALug for their magazine. Well, a few minutes ago I >e-mailed Ms. Smalley an article with pictures about >GTALug. A LOT I would have like to touch on, but as >the word limit was 250 words (and yes as submitted the >article was slightly longer than that). > >The pictures I e-mailed off were two taken at the last >NewTLUG meeting (the only meeting I could do given the >short notice/tight deadline), and one picture of "Pho >Hung". The NewTLUG pictures are: > >- Herb and Sacha before the start of the meeting. >- William, Evan, Herb and Sacha after the meeting > >So, fingers crossed in a few months we will be a bit >better known to a predominately UK audience :-) . > >Colin McGregor >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 25 13:18:30 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:18:30 -0500 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254-yIZWdUiUUlp++nHIsbrJqLpta98KZJIQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1140873511.3506.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 07:37 -0500, frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > Also in this province, cat-eating is legal and popular. Now, under the > governance of this guy, you can have a baby meal for just $1,250USD. > Sadly to let female readers to know, baby girl?s price is only half of > the price of a baby boy. Even in US and Canada, I don?t think there > is a law to prohibit people eating babies from women abolish. I have > photos to show you the baby under the kitchen knife and the meal but I > did not attach it to this email. I am not sure it is legal or not to > distribute these kind of material. I can email you privately if you > want. This sounds more like Red Blooded American xenophobia than truth. Call me naive but I have a hard time thinking that any culture would support this practice. Cat and dog eating, yeah I think that's disgusting. I also think that goat, snails, octopus, rare beef, haggis, head cheese and lots of other animals dished would be disgusting too. And don't get me started on blue cheese, bleech. Just because I think it's gross I don't condone a whole culture because of it. If you are going to criticize Bill Gates for this at least stick to credible arguments. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 25 13:24:54 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:24:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: "Linux Format" In-Reply-To: <44003F7C.3050808-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <44003F7C.3050808@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060225132454.81572.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Paul Sutton wrote: > I will keep an eye out for it, in the UK > > Paul Well, my little write-up is to appear "Linux Format" issue 78, which I gather will be on sale in England starting on Thursday 9th March. Colin McGregor > Colin McGregor wrote: > > >As many of you saw, on Tuesday Rebecca Smalley of > >"Linux Format" approached us about doing an article > on > >GTALug for their magazine. Well, a few minutes ago > I > >e-mailed Ms. Smalley an article with pictures about > >GTALug. A LOT I would have like to touch on, but as > >the word limit was 250 words (and yes as submitted > the > >article was slightly longer than that). > > > >The pictures I e-mailed off were two taken at the > last > >NewTLUG meeting (the only meeting I could do given > the > >short notice/tight deadline), and one picture of > "Pho > >Hung". The NewTLUG pictures are: > > > >- Herb and Sacha before the start of the meeting. > >- William, Evan, Herb and Sacha after the meeting > > > >So, fingers crossed in a few months we will be a > bit > >better known to a predominately UK audience :-) . > > > >Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 25 13:59:39 2006 From: frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:59:39 -0500 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <1140873511.3506.23.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> <1140873511.3506.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <8C8082ADACF0903-267C-1A0E9@mblkn-m09.sysops.aol.com> Not every body is eating babies. Not every restaurant is advertising for baby meals. But if you want, definitely, you can order a baby meal in Guangdong Province, China. Also the baby meal is not cheap. It costs an ordinary worker's income of a year. It is not a culture issue. In Chinese culture, ordinary people scare to kill a chicken. Country people would not step on an ant. I saw a woman crying for her unborn baby no larger than an egg. All peoples are the same in terms of humanity. The deference is the political system. I am not criticizing Bill Gate to have a dinner with a dictator. President Hu Jintao will bring a purchase order of 80 Boeing airplanes during his US trip in April. This will shut up Bush?s mouth on anything about human rights. I just regretted to spend $150CAD to buy a window$ media center. Frank Peng -----Original Message----- From: John Van Ostrand To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:18:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 07:37 -0500, frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > Also in this province, cat-eating is legal and popular. Now, under the > governance of this guy, you can have a baby meal for just $1,250USD. > Sadly to let female readers to know, baby girl?s price is only half of > the price of a baby boy. Even in US and Canada, I don?t think there > is a law to prohibit people eating babies from women abolish. I have > photos to show you the baby under the kitchen knife and the meal but I > did not attach it to this email. I am not sure it is legal or not to > distribute these kind of material. I can email you privately if you > want. This sounds more like Red Blooded American xenophobia than truth. Call me naive but I have a hard time thinking that any culture would support this practice. Cat and dog eating, yeah I think that's disgusting. I also think that goat, snails, octopus, rare beef, haggis, head cheese and lots of other animals dished would be disgusting too. And don't get me started on blue cheese, bleech. Just because I think it's gross I don't condone a whole culture because of it. If you are going to criticize Bill Gates for this at least stick to credible arguments. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <8C8082ADACF0903-267C-1A0E9-MSmFgb0UDN6mgCvd3M1ss7pta98KZJIQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> <1140873511.3506.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <8C8082ADACF0903-267C-1A0E9@mblkn-m09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1140884738.7988.144.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 08:59 -0500, frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > Not every body is eating babies. Not every restaurant is advertising > for baby meals. But if you want, definitely, you can order a baby meal > in Guangdong Province, China. Also the baby meal is not cheap. It > costs an ordinary worker's income of a year. The googling I just did suggest that this report stems from a single report by a pro-life activist almost 11 years ago. Every other reference I've seen is based on this one report. There are damning photos, but they don't match the report. And what about the lack of follow up in conventional media in 11 years? No deluge of Internet references? I'm still thinking that the report is self-serving and the photos doctored. Still its disturbing. > It is not a culture issue. In Chinese culture, ordinary people scare > to kill a chicken. Country people would not step on an ant. My comment wasn't about you being xenophobic. My point was that urban legends are often spawned from xenophobes. > I saw a woman crying for her unborn baby no larger than an egg. All > peoples are the same in terms of humanity. > > The deference is the political system. > > I am not criticizing Bill Gate to have a dinner with a dictator. > > President Hu Jintao will bring a purchase order of 80 Boeing airplanes > during his US trip in April. This will shut up Bush?s mouth on > anything about human rights. Yes It's a shame that politics often prefers prosperity over values. > I just regretted to spend $150CAD to buy a window$ media center. 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Thanks for the help and information you all provided. Once again an error message didn't tell the whole truth. > > A good guess for missing library is: > > take lib name (like libXext) make it lowercase, and stick -dev at the > end. 99% of the time it is right. > > Otherwise try: apt-cache search libxext and see which packages it lists > with -dev in the name. To compile code you need the headers, while to > run programs you only need the library, so the library is in the libname > package usually and the headers are in the libname-dev in general. > Sometimes the library itself has an abi version attached to the name (if > it is C++) so it could be libnamec2 or libnamec2a or libnamec102 or > something like that. > > Len Sorensen > -- -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 25 18:00:27 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:00:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Compiling help needed In-Reply-To: <200602251750.49670.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200602201718.04645.mervc@eol.ca> <200602210145.52386.mervc@eol.ca> <20060221152558.GN29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200602251750.49670.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <87lkvz2u9z.fsf@gmail.com> Merv> Now the compile runs the course, and make did its job. Thanks for Merv> the help and information you all provided. Once again an error Merv> message didn't tell the whole truth. The whole truth can usually be discovered (or guessed :-/ ) by inspecting the file config.log. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 25 18:09:01 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:09:01 -0800 Subject: Security of Open Source ASP Implementations In-Reply-To: <43FF786A.60304-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <1140787282.3347.11.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <17c359fc0602240708u687845c8k9a638626641452e4@mail.gmail.com> <1140795014.3347.24.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <43FF786A.60304@pobox.com> Message-ID: On 2/24/06, Andrej Marjan wrote: > Even more concerning than the pushing of Microsoft is the pushing of > ASP -- it's a dead technology, it has no future, it's strictly a legacy > runtime that gets only critical show-stopper bug fixes. As far as MSFT is concerned, this is no bad thing. It makes it perfectly natural for them to encourage an upgrade some time soon. (Probably to ASP.NET). That does three things: 1. Allows people to continue to sell services about understanding ASP 2. Leads to deployment of *two* MSFT technologies 3. Promotes MSFT technologies twice, while not selling Linux once These are all *wins* as far as MSFT is concerned. -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anarcap-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 25 18:27:47 2006 From: anarcap-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (marius) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:27:47 -0500 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <1140884738.7988.144.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> <1140873511.3506.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <8C8082ADACF0903-267C-1A0E9@mblkn-m09.sysops.aol.com> <1140884738.7988.144.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <22318ee50602251027v20e1f674hc14190b371157a8a@mail.gmail.com> On 2/25/06, John Van Ostrand wrote: > On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 08:59 -0500, frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Not every body is eating babies. Not every restaurant is advertising > > for baby meals. But if you want, definitely, you can order a baby meal > > in Guangdong Province, China. Also the baby meal is not cheap. It > > costs an ordinary worker's income of a year. > > The googling I just did suggest that this report stems from a single > report by a pro-life activist almost 11 years ago. Every other reference > I've seen is based on this one report. > > There are damning photos, but they don't match the report. And what > about the lack of follow up in conventional media in 11 years? No deluge > of Internet references? > > I'm still thinking that the report is self-serving and the photos > doctored. Still its disturbing. > Gee... It sounds like the story was taken straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Siam...[1] I agree with John's assertion about xenophobes (and bigots in general) and urban legends, there are enough examples of that throughout history. //mts [1] I know that the pun is slightly geographically incorrect. -- "Playing safe is only playing." Fortune Cookie from Simon's Wok -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 25 19:42:07 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:42:07 -0500 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <43FF20FE.1060703-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <43FF20FE.1060703@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <1140896527.4157.11.camel@spot1.localhost.com> I work to put my money where my mouth is. I've been conducting 99% of my business on Novell Linux Desktop for the last year or more (partially prior). When ever I have visitors I casually ask what their regular computer uses are both at home and work and offer them to use my desktop (866AMD 1GbRAM) to perform various tasks including accessing MSN, company apps via browser, office apps. The response is always "hey, this is easier to read" than that other window$ software or "I didn't know this existed". My pet peeve is the lack of support for all video formats hence 99%. RickT http://www.TorontoNUI.ca On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 15:06 +0000, Paul Sutton wrote: > William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > > >I think the selling point is this: > > > >With Linux, you never have to reboot in the middle of doing something > >because your computer slowed down. > > > >also... > > > >With Linux, if it ran fast last month, it runs fast now. > > > > > > I assume your talking about Windows, I have the same problem with a 1.6 > ghz amd duron and 1ghz ram, so it's not just me. Linux on the other > hand runs smoothly, fast. I am also using kingston memory, so i guess > again thats high quality ram. > > >I use a P4 3Ghz machine with a Gb of high-quality RAM at work, and it > >does *not one thing* quickly. I can't look at menus fast, I can't get a > >right-click fast, and if I pass the mouse over the "Recent Documents" > >submenu the whole machine locks for five seconds. Windoze is for the > >very, very patient, and that doesn't describe many people. > > > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 25 19:44:20 2006 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:44:20 -0500 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <22318ee50602251027v20e1f674hc14190b371157a8a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> <1140873511.3506.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <8C8082ADACF0903-267C-1A0E9@mblkn-m09.sysops.aol.com> <1140884738.7988.144.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <22318ee50602251027v20e1f674hc14190b371157a8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4400B394.9080602@rogers.com> My understanding of the whole baby eating thing is that it was *FAKE* but done as an art project by a dude named Zhu Yu. It's not actually baby he's eating, but rather meat and food shaped and coloured to look like a baby. Pretty convincing too. Here's links http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_eating_babies1.htm http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa080601a.htm I can't believe people would be stupid enough to believe this! Granted there appear to be legitimate cases of cannibalism during the 'Great Leap Forward' in China, but I'm pretty sure most cultures/people would resort to that when things got truly, extremely dire (witness the 'Donner Party' in the American Southwest) and that Chilean football team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_Air_Force_Flight_571). Having said all this, food is food. I bet baby would probably taste pretty good :) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 25 19:51:23 2006 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:51:23 -0500 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <1140896527.4157.11.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <43FF20FE.1060703@zen.co.uk> <1140896527.4157.11.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <4400B53B.6090103@rogers.com> > My pet peeve is the lack of support for all video formats hence 99%. I've had very good luck with xine when combined with this: http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/ Come to think of it, after using the libs/codecs from that link I can't think of anything I haven't been able to play. For realmedia, I think I still use the native linux players. Granted having media play with the players when they're embedded doesn't always work, but if I can download it, I can play it. Cheers, B -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 25 19:54:41 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:54:41 -0500 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <4400B394.9080602-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> <1140873511.3506.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <8C8082ADACF0903-267C-1A0E9@mblkn-m09.sysops.aol.com> <1140884738.7988.144.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <22318ee50602251027v20e1f674hc14190b371157a8a@mail.gmail.com> <4400B394.9080602@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1140897281.4157.14.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Pretty disgusting. If you want to puke do a search on Alaskan Hikers vs giant grizzly bears. Photos will make you think twice about camping. On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 14:44 -0500, Byron Sonne wrote: > My understanding of the whole baby eating thing is that it was *FAKE* > but done as an art project by a dude named Zhu Yu. It's not actually > baby he's eating, but rather meat and food shaped and coloured to look > like a baby. Pretty convincing too. > > Here's links http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_eating_babies1.htm > http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa080601a.htm > > I can't believe people would be stupid enough to believe this! > > Granted there appear to be legitimate cases of cannibalism during the > 'Great Leap Forward' in China, but I'm pretty sure most cultures/people > would resort to that when things got truly, extremely dire (witness the > 'Donner Party' in the American Southwest) and that Chilean football team > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_Air_Force_Flight_571). > > Having said all this, food is food. I bet baby would probably taste > pretty good :) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 25 20:12:48 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:12:48 -0500 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <4400B53B.6090103-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <43FF20FE.1060703@zen.co.uk> <1140896527.4157.11.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <4400B53B.6090103@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1140898368.4157.21.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Most public video posting sites (Google's works!)require plugin for embedded video which is not supported by Linux (AFAIK)also .mwv format. I check out your link. Thanks! On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 14:51 -0500, Byron Sonne wrote: > > My pet peeve is the lack of support for all video formats hence 99%. > > I've had very good luck with xine when combined with this: > http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/ > > Come to think of it, after using the libs/codecs from that link I can't > think of anything I haven't been able to play. For realmedia, I think I > still use the native linux players. > > Granted having media play with the players when they're embedded doesn't > always work, but if I can download it, I can play it. > > Cheers, > B > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 25 22:25:05 2006 From: frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:25:05 -0500 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <1140897281.4157.14.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> <1140873511.3506.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <8C8082ADACF0903-267C-1A0E9@mblkn-m09.sysops.aol.com> <1140884738.7988.144.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <22318ee50602251027v20e1f674hc14190b371157a8a@mail.gmail.com> <4400B394.9080602@rogers.com> <1140897281.4157.14.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <8C80871768E07ED-1C68-3A2D@mblkn-m02.sysops.aol.com> The main function of baby meal is its sex energy. A 50 years old Taiwanese business man told repoters that he can deal his 20 years mistress well after he has eaten baby meals. By the way, you can have as many girls as you can have money and the only limit is your sex energy. Sorry it is too far from Linux. Frank Peng. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Tomaschuk To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:54:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. Pretty disgusting. If you want to puke do a search on Alaskan Hikers vs giant grizzly bears. Photos will make you think twice about camping. On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 14:44 -0500, Byron Sonne wrote: > My understanding of the whole baby eating thing is that it was *FAKE* > but done as an art project by a dude named Zhu Yu. It's not actually > baby he's eating, but rather meat and food shaped and coloured to look > like a baby. Pretty convincing too. > > Here's links http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_eating_babies1.htm > http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa080601a.htm > > I can't believe people would be stupid enough to believe this! > > Granted there appear to be legitimate cases of cannibalism during the > 'Great Leap Forward' in China, but I'm pretty sure most cultures/people > would resort to that when things got truly, extremely dire (witness the > 'Donner Party' in the American Southwest) and that Chilean football team > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_Air_Force_Flight_571). > > Having said all this, food is food. I bet baby would probably taste > pretty good :) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 25 22:44:48 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:44:48 -0500 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <22318ee50602251027v20e1f674hc14190b371157a8a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> <1140873511.3506.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <8C8082ADACF0903-267C-1A0E9@mblkn-m09.sysops.aol.com> <1140884738.7988.144.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <22318ee50602251027v20e1f674hc14190b371157a8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4400DDE0.90103@telly.org> >Gee... It sounds like the story was taken straight out of the >Protocols of the Elders of Siam...[1] > > Is this close enough to invoke Godwin on the thread? Please? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 05:24:44 2006 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:24:44 -0500 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <22318ee50602251027v20e1f674hc14190b371157a8a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1140884738.7988.144.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <4400F54C.18674.2F34007@localhost> > Gee... It sounds like the story was taken straight out of the > Protocols of the Elders of Siam...[1] > Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal". This is Jonathan Swifft sardonic essay come to life. Only, Swift was joking. > I agree with John's assertion about xenophobes (and bigots in general) > and urban legends, there are enough examples of that throughout > history. > > //mts > > [1] I know that the pun is slightly geographically incorrect. > > -- > "Playing safe is only playing." > Fortune Cookie from Simon's Wok > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 09:28:21 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:28:21 +0000 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <22318ee50602251027v20e1f674hc14190b371157a8a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> <1140873511.3506.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <8C8082ADACF0903-267C-1A0E9@mblkn-m09.sysops.aol.com> <1140884738.7988.144.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <22318ee50602251027v20e1f674hc14190b371157a8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <440174B5.5090105@zen.co.uk> How does this thread reflect on the Toronto Lug,? Paul >> >>I'm still thinking that the report is self-serving and the photos >>doctored. Still its disturbing. >> >> >> > >Gee... It sounds like the story was taken straight out of the >Protocols of the Elders of Siam...[1] > >I agree with John's assertion about xenophobes (and bigots in general) >and urban legends, there are enough examples of that throughout >history. > >//mts > >[1] I know that the pun is slightly geographically incorrect. > >-- >"Playing safe is only playing." > Fortune Cookie from Simon's Wok >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 16:17:30 2006 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:17:30 +0000 Subject: Compiling help needed In-Reply-To: <87lkvz2u9z.fsf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200602201718.04645.mervc@eol.ca> <200602251750.49670.mervc@eol.ca> <87lkvz2u9z.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602261617.30814.mervc@eol.ca> On Saturday 25 February 2006 18:00, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > Merv> Now the compile runs the course, and make did its job. Thanks for > Merv> the help and information you all provided. Once again an error > Merv> message didn't tell the whole truth. > > The whole truth can usually be discovered (or guessed :-/ ) by inspecting > the file config.log. I don't think that I have ever heard of this file, so I have added it to my notes. But for the last run of configure the file is 111K and full of totally incomprehensible gibberish. Us once a year users of compile are going to need translators methinks. That was for a successful run, we'll see whats there when I have a failure again. Thanks for the pointer. -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 17:23:48 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:23:48 -0500 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <440174B5.5090105-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> <1140873511.3506.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <8C8082ADACF0903-267C-1A0E9@mblkn-m09.sysops.aol.com> <1140884738.7988.144.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <22318ee50602251027v20e1f674hc14190b371157a8a@mail.gmail.com> <440174B5.5090105@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <4401E424.1000905@utoronto.ca> Paul Sutton wrote: > How does this thread reflect on the Toronto Lug,? > Paul A LUG should be comprised of people, not of machine operators who can only speak and communicate in code. Part of any LUG (IMHO of course...) should be the social aspect. To confine discussion to technical material only is to stifle much of what it is that makes us people, that allows for creativity, that generates new ideas and generally makes the world turn. I'm sure many a brilliant idea in computing has come about through tangential thinking and rambling discussions. I have a threaded view of the whole discussion here, so to any who might claim that themselves or others are being subjected to OT discussion that is of little to no interest would be off the mark -- I've checked on this thread a few times, but by no means am I forced to read all the messages it contains, nor should anyone else be. Accordingly, a little room to ramble might be in order sometimes? I wouldn't say such is the case this time however... Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 17:29:35 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:35 +0000 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <4401E424.1000905-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> <1140873511.3506.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <8C8082ADACF0903-267C-1A0E9@mblkn-m09.sysops.aol.com> <1140884738.7988.144.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <22318ee50602251027v20e1f674hc14190b371157a8a@mail.gmail.com> <440174B5.5090105@zen.co.uk> <4401E424.1000905@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4401E57F.3020704@zen.co.uk> Ok fair comment, Paul Jamon Camisso wrote: > Paul Sutton wrote: > >> How does this thread reflect on the Toronto Lug,? >> Paul > > > A LUG should be comprised of people, not of machine operators who can > only speak and communicate in code. Part of any LUG (IMHO of > course...) should be the social aspect. To confine discussion to > technical material only is to stifle much of what it is that makes us > people, that allows for creativity, that generates new ideas and > generally makes the world turn. I'm sure many a brilliant idea in > computing has come about through tangential thinking and rambling > discussions. > > I have a threaded view of the whole discussion here, so to any who > might claim that themselves or others are being subjected to OT > discussion that is of little to no interest would be off the mark -- > I've checked on this thread a few times, but by no means am I forced > to read all the messages it contains, nor should anyone else be. > Accordingly, a little room to ramble might be in order sometimes? I > wouldn't say such is the case this time however... > > Jamon > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 17:35:51 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:35:51 -0500 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <4401E57F.3020704-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <8C807563EC466DD-1604-25254@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> <1140873511.3506.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <8C8082ADACF0903-267C-1A0E9@mblkn-m09.sysops.aol.com> <1140884738.7988.144.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <22318ee50602251027v20e1f674hc14190b371157a8a@mail.gmail.com> <440174B5.5090105@zen.co.uk> <4401E424.1000905@utoronto.ca> <4401E57F.3020704@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <4401E6F7.7030908@utoronto.ca> Paul Sutton wrote: > Ok fair comment, > > Paul But only a comment ;) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 17:38:12 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:38:12 +0000 Subject: can't find /dev/sda1 Message-ID: <4401E784.2060407@zen.co.uk> Hi This worked fine yesterday by the way, to day I tried to mount my camera (digital) on /dev/sda1 /media/camera, the software informs me that /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device, doing ls -l /dev/sd* confirmed oddly that /dev/sda1 has vanished, I need to create a new one, but don't understand the major minor bit of the command mknod --help so far I have mknod /dev/sda1 b where b is the block device, I have tried googling, and have looked in my debian bible, and unix for dummies which I have out of the local library, Problem with using google is that I not 100% sure what I am googling for, I know what I want to do, but doing a search on "creating /dev/sda1 device) is not coming up with much. more of concern is just how this file has vanished. Having attempted to fix this, or at least made an attempt to look things up I would be grateful for any help Thanks Paul -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 17:39:00 2006 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:39:00 -0500 Subject: tool to diagram a cycle? Message-ID: <4401E7B4.9050608@xtrinsic.com> Hello, I'm working on a set of diagrams for a project. For the most part I'm using either Freemind [1] or Kdissert [2] to "map" the concepts. For one of the diagrams I need to show a circular cycle. I'd like the option to use curved lines to connect each of the elements, but I don't really want to use a drawing program as I've come to love the flexibility of a mapping/diagramming tool. Does anyone know of a diagramming package that allows you to connect nodes in a circle using curved lines? regards, emma [1] http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page [2] http://freehackers.org/~tnagy/kdissert/ -- Emma Jane Hogbin www.xtrinsic.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 17:56:29 2006 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:56:29 -0500 Subject: can't find /dev/sda1 In-Reply-To: <4401E784.2060407-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <4401E784.2060407@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <200602261256.29879.marc@lijour.net> On February 26, 2006 12:38 pm, Paul Sutton wrote: > Hi > > This worked fine yesterday by the way, to day I tried to mount my > camera (digital) on /dev/sda1 /media/camera, the software informs me > that /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device, doing ls -l /dev/sd* > confirmed oddly that /dev/sda1 has vanished, > > I need to create a new one, but don't understand the major minor bit of > the command > > mknod --help > > so far I have mknod /dev/sda1 b > where b is the block device, > > I have tried googling, and have looked in my debian bible, and unix for > dummies which I have out of the local library, Problem with using > google is that I not 100% sure what I am googling for, I know what I > want to do, but doing a search on "creating /dev/sda1 device) is not > coming up with much. > > more of concern is just how this file has vanished. > > Having attempted to fix this, or at least made an attempt to look things > up I would be grateful for any help > > Thanks > > Paul I went there before. What don't you start by looking at the USB status (usbview, cat /proc/usb***)? If you use firewire or something else, it is the same idea of course. My guess is where the root of the problem actually is. And you will more likely to find info on that with google. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 17:57:09 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:57:09 -0500 Subject: tool to diagram a cycle? In-Reply-To: <4401E7B4.9050608-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <4401E7B4.9050608@xtrinsic.com> Message-ID: <20060226175709.GA6545@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> For diagramming processes I use dia - it allows curved lines and can accommodate a vast array of diagramming protocols. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 18:11:53 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:11:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <4400F54C.18674.2F34007@localhost> References: <4400F54C.18674.2F34007@localhost> Message-ID: <20060226181153.14703.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Paul King wrote: > > Gee... It sounds like the story was taken straight > out of the > > Protocols of the Elders of Siam...[1] > > > > Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of > Jonathan Swift's "A Modest > Proposal". This is Jonathan SwSwifftardonic essay > come to life. Only, Swift was > joking. Well, sort of. At the time Jonathan Swift wrote "A Modest Proposal" (1729) because of laws the British had passed regarding Ireland, and a poor harvest, a sisignificantart of Ireland was looking at starvation. Swift couldn't do much about the harvest, but he could do something about the laws. So, Swift's approach was to create an uproar by in essence writing that since these children were about to die anyway, might as well eat them. The whole essay can be seen here: http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html Further Swift does get in a mention regarding Asia (what is now known as Taiwan was at that time known as Formosa): "But in order to justify my friend, he confessed that this expedient was put into his head by the famous Psalmanazar, a native of the island Formosa, who came from thence to London above twenty years ago, and in conversation told my friend, that in his country when any young person happened to be put to death, the executioner sold the carcass to persons of quality as a prime dainty; and that in his time the body of a plump girl of fifteen, who was crucified for an attempt to poison the emperor, was sold to his imperial majesty's prime minister of state, and other great mandarins of the court, in joints from the gibbet, at four hundred crowns." This whole thread has sounded way to much like an urban legend, abused version of "A Modest Proposal", etc.. Yes people have under extreme conditions turned to cannibalism such as the Donner Party in 1846 (the largest case of cannibalismn U.S. history and the text-book example of how NOT to run a waggon train across the U.S. west). But I don't buy the mass cannibalism for profit idea in modern China. This noted, there are a lot of things that can be clearly documented that are nasty/ugly regarding both Microsoft / China that we can be stuck with rather than this less than credible stuff. Colin McGregor > > I agree with John's assertion about xenophobes > (and bigots in general) > > and urban legends, there are enough examples of > that throughout > > history. > > > > //mtmts> > > > [1] I know that the pun is slightly geographically > incorrect. > > > > -- > > "Playing safe is only playing." > > Fortune Cookie from Simon's Wok > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > hthttp/tltlugsssrg > > TLTLUGequests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > > How to UNUNSUBSCRIBE > hthttp/tltlugsssrg/subscribe.shshtml> > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > hthttp/tltlugsssrg > TLTLUGequests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNUNSUBSCRIBE > hthttp/tltlugsssrg/subscribe.shshtml> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 18:12:44 2006 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:12:44 -0500 Subject: OT: laser printer Message-ID: I have a Samsung ML-1740 that recently started to produce very messy, streaky output. Is there some way I can fix this myself, clean the rollers or something? Is it most likely just an accumulation of toner somewhere that can be cleaned, or does it indicate that the system for delivering the toner to the paper is messed up somewhere? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 18:27:18 2006 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:27:18 -0500 Subject: tool to diagram a cycle? In-Reply-To: <20060226175709.GA6545-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <4401E7B4.9050608@xtrinsic.com> <20060226175709.GA6545@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4401F306.20601@xtrinsic.com> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > For diagramming processes I use dia - it allows curved lines and can > accommodate a vast array of diagramming protocols. Right, thanks. I'd forgotten that dia can do curved lines! -- Emma Jane Hogbin www.xtrinsic.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 18:47:52 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:47:52 +0200 (IST) Subject: tool to diagram a cycle? In-Reply-To: <4401F306.20601-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <4401E7B4.9050608@xtrinsic.com> <20060226175709.GA6545@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4401F306.20601@xtrinsic.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >> For diagramming processes I use dia - it allows curved lines and can >> accommodate a vast array of diagramming protocols. > > Right, thanks. I'd forgotten that dia can do curved lines! Openoffice draw also does dynamic connected graphs. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 19:20:40 2006 From: mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org (Gregory D Hough) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:20:40 -0500 Subject: Promoting Linux before release of vista In-Reply-To: <43FF01F9.8030403-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <43FEF5BE.8080105@zen.co.uk> <20060224122736.GA9184@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <43FF01F9.8030403@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4401FF88.7060607@execulink.com> James Knott wrote: > William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > >>I think the selling point is this: >> >>With Linux, you never have to reboot in the middle of doing something >>because your computer slowed down. I wouldn't go so far as to use the word never. It is like putting something down to bring one's own thing up higher and justifying it as being absolute. "My shell will hang sometimes but I usually just do this". Then procede with a two finger, two second CTRL-C gesture. Give them a feeling of shack-n-awe, a first impression that it can be that simple using Linux. No one likes waiting while their machines reboot, or the anxiety associated with the fact that what they were working on might be lost or corrupted. > > > I currently provide Windows support to users in a very large company. > On occasion, while working with the users about some problem they're > experiencing with Windows, I might mention how their problem simply > doesn't happen with Linux. "...On occasion...I might mention..." Please excuse my assumption that this implies seldom. I know it is difficult and requires a great deal of patience for that opening line or circumstance when we can speak confidently, and with authority about all what we do with our Linuxes. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. If I were to borrow quotes I seen im LJ March 2006...They Said It... "Fear, because what is free is never fully appreciated." --STEVE GILMORE, blogs.zdnet.com/Gillmore/?p=189 "Remember, Linux is a species, and we aren't fighting anyone here. We are merely evolving around everyone else, until they aren't left standing because the whole ecosystem changed without them realizing it." --GREG KROAH-HARTMAN, LINUX-ELITISTS And perhaps a piece of another somewhat related thread says it best... "a) The hunter entered the clearing slowly so the native did not attack him. They looked at each other for a while. The hunter made a large waving gesture which he hoped to be friendly. The native did not react. Having no common language the two eventually shared a meal over the camp fire which the hunter helped light with matches. Later the native exchanged a bear skin for a box of matches, then they went their ways. a) Natives are not always hostile. Trade is possible. Gains can be made." --PETER, Re: Security of Open Source ASP Implementations I doubt very much that Peter's native-n-hunter scenario was a lesson in threading a space needle with the help of can-eye-ball-ism. No! But reverberations of such nonsense can and will be felt. That kind of ____ is damaging to any group trying to promote anything good and wholesome. That path is going to lead a "Dolly-Heard" headlong over a cliff. We wait for an opportunity and candidly express ourselves in a manner that does not pursue harsh put-downs of others to bring ourselves up. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 19:21:18 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:21:18 -0500 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <20060226181153.14703.qmail-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060226181153.14703.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4401FFAE.5000404@pppoe.ca> Colin McGregor wrote: >This whole thread has sounded way to much like an >urban legend, abused version of "A Modest Proposal", >etc.. Yes people have under extreme conditions turned >to cannibalism such as the Donner Party in 1846 (the >largest case of cannibalismn U.S. history and the >text-book example of how NOT to run a waggon train >across the U.S. west). But I don't buy the mass >cannibalism for profit idea in modern China. > >This noted, there are a lot of things that can be >clearly documented that are nasty/ugly regarding both >Microsoft / China that we can be stuck with rather >than this less than credible stuff. > > There is a trilogy of short horror films titled '3 Extremes' by 3 Asian directors - Takashi Miike (Japanese), Fruit Chan(Chinese) and Park Chan-wook(Korean). The short titled 'Dumplings' by Fruit Chan was expanded into a full-length movie. Dumplings deals with the above "urban legend". http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/movie.html?v_id=314252 http://www.twitchfilm.net/archives/002928.html Mention of xenophobia, urban legend, sex energy (and my contribution, horror movies); No, I don't think this thread will convince anyone to switch to Linux instead of Vista :-) Meng Cheah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 19:49:36 2006 From: behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:49:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <4401FFAE.5000404-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <20060226181153.14703.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4401FFAE.5000404@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Meng Cheah wrote: > Mention of xenophobia, urban legend, sex energy (and my contribution, > horror movies); No, I don't think this thread will convince anyone to > switch to Linux instead of Vista :-) "Vista will eat your babies. Use Linux." > Meng Cheah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 20:09:45 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:09:45 -0500 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: References: <20060226181153.14703.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4401FFAE.5000404@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <44020B09.7010202@pppoe.ca> Behdad Esfahbod wrote: >"Vista will eat your babies. Use Linux." > > Seriously, has there beem any estimates of price range? What are we up against? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 20:36:07 2006 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:36:07 -0500 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. Message-ID: <44021137.9070206@rogers.com> > Seriously, has there beem any estimates of price range? > What are we up against? For half a brick of gold we will sell you this lovely coloured box (suitable for framing) and this one size fits all coaster. For a full brick of gold, you will also receive an unfortunately humourous guide book suitable for emergencies, such as when your Vista won't roll out after operation 2. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 20:47:43 2006 From: louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (hui xu) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:47:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: tixwish debian In-Reply-To: <44020B09.7010202-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <44020B09.7010202@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <20060226204743.85213.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I recently changed my os from redat to debian because of redhat not free anymore. I am installing one software to the new stable debian. I got an error which said "tixwish: error while loading shared libraries: libtix4.1.8.3.so" I try to use "apt-cache search tixwish". it saide can not find it. I try search google for the source code. I did not get it neither. Could anybody tell me where I can get the libtix4.1.8.3.so library or which package contains this shared lib for debian? Thanks! hui -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 20:46:03 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:46:03 -0500 Subject: tixwish debian In-Reply-To: <20060226204743.85213.qmail-sUZ0EsP1NSWA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20060226204743.85213.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4402138B.10300@alteeve.com> hui xu wrote: > Hi all, > > I recently changed my os from redat to debian because > of redhat not free anymore. > > I am installing one software to the new stable debian. > I got an error which said "tixwish: error while > loading shared libraries: libtix4.1.8.3.so" > > > I try to use "apt-cache search tixwish". it saide can > not find it. I try search google for the source code. > I did not get it neither. > > Could anybody tell me where I can get the > libtix4.1.8.3.so library or which package contains > this shared lib for debian? > > Thanks! > hui When/where do you get that error? Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU; The Linux Experience, Back Up Main Project Page: http://tle-bu.org Community Forum: http://forum.tle-bu.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 21:50:11 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:50:11 -0500 Subject: OT: laser printer In-Reply-To: <4401EF9C.7030201-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <4401EF9C.7030201@mathstat.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20060226215011.GR29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 01:12:44PM -0500, Mike Oliver wrote: > I have a Samsung ML-1740 that recently started to > produce very messy, streaky output. Is there some > way I can fix this myself, clean the rollers or > something? Is it most likely just an accumulation > of toner somewhere that can be cleaned, or does it > indicate that the system for delivering the toner > to the paper is messed up somewhere? In my experience, streaks usually mean the toner cartridge is bad. At least on printers where the toner and transfer roller are in one piece. Using recycled cartridges will occationally give you this from a "new" cartridge if they didn't replace a damaged roller when they refilled it. I suppose if changing the toner cartridge doesn't clear it, then there must be toner somewhere else that it shouldn't be and the printer probably has to be cleaned or have the affected part replaced (the rollers don't last forever in laser printers). Are they streaks of black toner or streaks of missing print? Len Sorensn -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 21:57:25 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:57:25 -0500 Subject: tixwish debian In-Reply-To: <20060226204743.85213.qmail-sUZ0EsP1NSWA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <44020B09.7010202@pppoe.ca> <20060226204743.85213.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060226215725.GS29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 03:47:43PM -0500, hui xu wrote: > I recently changed my os from redat to debian because > of redhat not free anymore. > > I am installing one software to the new stable debian. > I got an error which said "tixwish: error while > loading shared libraries: libtix4.1.8.3.so" > > > I try to use "apt-cache search tixwish". it saide can > not find it. I try search google for the source code. > I did not get it neither. > > Could anybody tell me where I can get the > libtix4.1.8.3.so library or which package contains > this shared lib for debian? probably: apt-get install tix (or tix8.1) apt-cache search tix does find a few things at least. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 22:57:03 2006 From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:57:03 -0500 Subject: TOC Linux Message-ID: Hey everybody, I'd like some help doing my homework. :) My project group at Mohawk college have to give a panel discussion on the benefits of Linux on the corporate desktop versus proprietary solutions aka Microsoft. I'm doing some reading of my own on TOC, but I'd like to survey some opinions on tlug. Cheers, Randy -- Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world --John Lennon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 23:17:15 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:17:15 -0800 Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <44020B09.7010202-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <20060226181153.14703.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4401FFAE.5000404@pppoe.ca> <44020B09.7010202@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: On 2/26/06, Meng Cheah wrote: > Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > >"Vista will eat your babies. Use Linux." > > > > > Seriously, has there beem any estimates of price range? > What are we up against? Which price range are you talking about? For babies? (That being the evident point of this discussion thread that people should probably consider Godwined...) Or for Microsoft Vista? If you are talking about the latter, in which case, changing the subject to NOT involve cannibalism might be an idea, I don't think the price of Vista is of any fundamental importance. Whether it's free, or a million dollars a copy, the apparent changes surrounding DRM look like they'll make the new platform unattractive in plenty of ways, regardless of price, to legitimate users. If you were intending to discuss the pricing of cannibalistic dining, stop now, and consider taking it to some other list. Usenet surely has an "alt.cannibalism" group... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 26 23:50:23 2006 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:50:23 -0500 Subject: OT: Vista, formerly wasBill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: References: <20060226181153.14703.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4401FFAE.5000404@pppoe.ca> <44020B09.7010202@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <44023EBF.5030505@pppoe.ca> Christopher Browne wrote: >On 2/26/06, Meng Cheah wrote: > > >>Behdad Esfahbod wrote: >> >> >> >>>"Vista will eat your babies. Use Linux." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Seriously, has there beem any estimates of price range? >>What are we up against? >> >> > >Which price range are you talking about? For babies? (That being the >evident point of this discussion thread that people should probably >consider Godwined...) Or for Microsoft Vista? > >If you are talking about the latter, in which case, changing the >subject to NOT involve cannibalism might be an idea, I don't think the >price of Vista is of any fundamental importance. Whether it's free, >or a million dollars a copy, the apparent changes surrounding DRM look >like they'll make the new platform unattractive in plenty of ways, >regardless of price, to legitimate users. > >If you were intending to discuss the pricing of cannibalistic dining, >stop now, and consider taking it to some other list. Usenet surely >has an "alt.cannibalism" group... >-- >http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html >"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him >absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > With all the "supposed" versions of Vista yet undisclosed, I was wondering about the estimated price range :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 00:53:02 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:53:02 +0200 (IST) Subject: Bill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <44021137.9070206-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <44021137.9070206@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, John McGregor wrote: >> Seriously, has there beem any estimates of price range? >> What are we up against? > > > For half a brick of gold we will sell you this lovely coloured box > (suitable for framing) and this one size fits all coaster. For a full brick > of gold, you will also receive an unfortunately humourous guide book > suitable > for emergencies, such as when your Vista won't roll out after operation 2. More concisely, our present score: 0:M our future score: 0:N smaller numers are better, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 00:56:28 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:56:28 +0200 (IST) Subject: OT: Vista, formerly wasBill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <44023EBF.5030505-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <20060226181153.14703.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4401FFAE.5000404@pppoe.ca> <44020B09.7010202@pppoe.ca> <44023EBF.5030505@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: > With all the "supposed" versions of Vista yet undisclosed, > I was wondering about the estimated price range :-) Anywhere from a lot to a lot more than that ... Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 01:42:57 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:42:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [off-list] Duplicate Message-ID [Was:OT: laser printer] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87irr1d1b4.fsf@gmail.com> Resident list pedant strikes again: ... Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.158.29.231] X-Originating-Email: [mike_oliver-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org] Message-ID: <4401EF9C.7030201-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org> ... needless to say this breaks threading. You probably need to talk to your ISP or whoever adds the CEZ.ICE thing. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 01:47:33 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:47:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Compiling help needed In-Reply-To: <200602261617.30814.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200602201718.04645.mervc@eol.ca> <200602251750.49670.mervc@eol.ca> <87lkvz2u9z.fsf@gmail.com> <200602261617.30814.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <87ek1pd13f.fsf@gmail.com> Ian> The whole truth can usually be discovered (or guessed :-/ ) by Ian> inspecting the file config.log. Merv> I don't think that I have ever heard of this file, so I have added Merv> it to my notes. But for the last run of configure the file is Merv> 111K and full of totally incomprehensible gibberish. Us once a Merv> year users of compile are going to need translators methinks. Understood, but you might post it (or rather, an URL to it :-/ ) when asking. -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 01:50:26 2006 From: nobrowser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:50:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: can't find /dev/sda1 In-Reply-To: <4401E784.2060407-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <4401E784.2060407@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <87accdd0yn.fsf@gmail.com> Paul> I need to create a new one, but don't understand the major minor Paul> bit of the command Paul> mknod --help Paul> so far I have mknod /dev/sda1 b where b is the block device, A safer way should be # cd /dev ; ./MAKEDEV sda1 -- A true pessimist won't be discouraged by a little success. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 02:06:10 2006 From: dominicbonfiglio-Mmb7MZpHnFY at public.gmane.org (Dominic Bonfiglio) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:06:10 -0500 Subject: Laptops for Linux In-Reply-To: <87accdd0yn.fsf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4401E784.2060407@zen.co.uk> <87accdd0yn.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44025E92.4000003@gmx.de> Hello, I am shopping for a new laptop, and I of course plan to use Linux for my operating system. Do all chipsets/motherboards work equally well with Linux? Has anyone in the community had particularly good or bad luck with certain manufacturers? Thanks, Dominic -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 02:14:26 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:14:26 -0500 Subject: Laptops for Linux In-Reply-To: <44025E92.4000003-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org> References: <4401E784.2060407@zen.co.uk> <87accdd0yn.fsf@gmail.com> <44025E92.4000003@gmx.de> Message-ID: <44026082.5050404@rogers.com> Dominic Bonfiglio wrote: > Hello, > > I am shopping for a new laptop, and I of course plan to use Linux for my > operating system. Do all chipsets/motherboards work equally well with > Linux? Has anyone in the community had particularly good or bad luck > with certain manufacturers? ThinkPads tend to be good. Also Angel Computers in Mississauga sells notebooks loaded with Linux. And there's also a store on Dufferin, near Yorkdale, that sells Linux equipped computers. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 03:37:16 2006 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:37:16 -0500 Subject: OT: laser printer In-Reply-To: <20060226215011.GR29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4401EF9C.7030201@mathstat.yorku.ca> <20060226215011.GR29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20060226223716.0bnndmpqocw40ww0@mail.math.yorku.ca> Quoting Lennart Sorensen : > > In my experience, streaks usually mean the toner cartridge is bad. At > least on printers where the toner and transfer roller are in one piece. > Using recycled cartridges will occationally give you this from a "new" > cartridge if they didn't replace a damaged roller when they refilled it. Rats. I bought the new cartridge not that long ago; it cost more than the printer did. AFAIK it was not recycled (and it worked fine for a while). > I suppose if changing the toner cartridge doesn't clear it, then there > must be toner somewhere else that it shouldn't be and the printer > probably has to be cleaned or have the affected part replaced (the > rollers don't last forever in laser printers). Given that changing the cartridge costs more than a hundred bucks it's not my first choice. I do still have the old empty cartridge; I suppose I could try getting one of those refill kits. Any experience with that? Thanks, Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 03:39:47 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:39:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Laptops for Linux In-Reply-To: <44025E92.4000003-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org> References: <4401E784.2060407@zen.co.uk> <87accdd0yn.fsf@gmail.com> <44025E92.4000003@gmx.de> Message-ID: <50834.207.188.65.194.1141011587.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> I am one of many who will suggest looking at the 'linux on laptops' web site to see if your machine is supported by linux, and people's comments on various laptops. Peter > Hello, > > I am shopping for a new laptop, and I of course plan to use Linux for my > operating system. Do all chipsets/motherboards work equally well with > Linux? Has anyone in the community had particularly good or bad luck > with certain manufacturers? > > Thanks, > Dominic > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 07:51:47 2006 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:51:47 -0500 Subject: Run level 3 on Live CD Message-ID: Hi, Yesterday, I wanted to introduce a friend to Linux. Of course the first thing one does it run a Live CD on the party in question PC. That's when I landed in problem. The computer boots alright, but X is all fuzzy. I could make icons here and there, but I would be lying to say the computer was usable. Oh, and there was five instances of every object. i.e. Five mice pointers, five firefox icons etc. I forgot to pick the hardware profile of the computer, but that can be fixed tomorrow. My first reaction was, oh, easily, drop to level 3 and try starting X manually. Kill it a minute later and look at the log. After rebooting Ubantu, it dawned to me grub don't understand "e", "b" and "a" commands. There is a silly diagnostic option, but it don't drop me on a shell. Also, I can't get to the PC through the network as I don't have a root password. How do you fix such an inflexible set up? Thanks in advance William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 13:02:46 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:02:46 -0500 Subject: Run level 3 on Live CD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200602270802.46624.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Monday 27 February 2006 02:51, Kihara Muriithi wrote: > Hi, > Yesterday, I wanted to introduce a friend to Linux. Of course the first > thing one does it run a Live CD on the party in question PC. That's when I > landed in problem. > The computer boots alright, but X is all fuzzy. I could make icons here > and there, but I would be lying to say the computer was usable. Oh, and > there was five instances of every object. i.e. Five mice pointers, five > firefox icons etc. I forgot to pick the hardware profile of the computer, > but that can be fixed tomorrow. > My first reaction was, oh, easily, drop to level 3 and try starting X > manually. Kill it a minute later and look at the log. After rebooting > Ubantu, it dawned to me grub don't understand "e", "b" and "a" commands. > There is a silly diagnostic option, but it don't drop me on a shell. Also, > I can't get to the PC through the network as I don't have a root password. > How do you fix such an inflexible set up? > > Thanks in advance > William For starters I have found in the past by simply changing the resolution fron the default 1024x768 to 800x600 it often solves this issue. This is done at the boot prompt. The different boot options are visible by using F1 through F8 You could try #linux screen=800x600 xvrefresh=60 About the root password, are you able to get to a console? ctrl+alt+F1 If you can, then type the following to enter a root password #sudo su #passwd -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 13:20:49 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:20:49 -0500 Subject: Laptops for Linux In-Reply-To: <44025E92.4000003-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org> References: <4401E784.2060407@zen.co.uk> <87accdd0yn.fsf@gmail.com> <44025E92.4000003@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20060227132049.GT29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 09:06:10PM -0500, Dominic Bonfiglio wrote: > I am shopping for a new laptop, and I of course plan to use Linux for my > operating system. Do all chipsets/motherboards work equally well with > Linux? Has anyone in the community had particularly good or bad luck > with certain manufacturers? ATI chipsets have been almost a nightmare for linux users so far. Clock running double speed, and other weirdness. Intel generally works just fine, assuming your kernel is newer than your chipset (obviously). Nvidia has in general worked pretty well (I haven't had any trouble with them). Via tends to work great too (I also have had no problems with these). I haven't messed with SIS since my 486. I haven't heard any horror stories though, so they are probably OK too. Wireless chips on the other hand are for the most part not supported. Some can work with ndiswrappers (if you get the right version of everything). Intel wireless chips are generally supported quite well, broadcom isn't (yet. I think someone is trying to reverse engineer the drivers). Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 13:24:27 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:24:27 -0500 Subject: OT: laser printer In-Reply-To: <20060226223716.0bnndmpqocw40ww0-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <4401EF9C.7030201@mathstat.yorku.ca> <20060226215011.GR29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20060226223716.0bnndmpqocw40ww0@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20060227132427.GU29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 10:37:16PM -0500, moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org wrote: > Rats. I bought the new cartridge not that long ago; it cost more > than the printer did. AFAIK it was not recycled (and it worked fine > for a while). Hmm. They are usually bad right from the start, they usually don't just go bad. So was it streaks of black or streaks of missing print? If it is missing print then you may not have spread the toner around the cartridge properly before installing it (you are normally supposed to tip the cartridge side to side a few times to spread the toner across the cartridge before installing it). > Given that changing the cartridge costs more than a hundred bucks > it's not my first choice. I do still have the old empty cartridge; > I suppose I could try getting one of those refill kits. Any experience > with that? Refilling your own toner cartridge? Yuck. There is a job I wouldn't want to try. :) You could try putting the old cartridge back and see if it prints with streaks too (assuming it isn't absolutely completely empty). If it also has streaks, then it is probably something else. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 14:23:33 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:23:33 -0500 Subject: OT: Vista, formerly wasBill Gate will have a dinner in his dinning room with a baby-eater from China. In-Reply-To: <44023EBF.5030505-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <20060226181153.14703.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4401FFAE.5000404@pppoe.ca> <44020B09.7010202@pppoe.ca> <44023EBF.5030505@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <44030B65.4060906@georgetown.wehave.net> Meng Cheah wrote: > With all the "supposed" versions of Vista yet undisclosed, > I was wondering about the estimated price range :-) I wouldn't rule out free. They'll have to be competitive in at least in one aspect. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 16:16:10 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:16:10 +0000 Subject: vista prices In-Reply-To: References: <20060226181153.14703.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4401FFAE.5000404@pppoe.ca> <44020B09.7010202@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <440325CA.7030802@zen.co.uk> I found an old copy of PC format today, dated june or july 2005, Looking at that, it said Microsoft were selling Windows in some Asian countries, for about $5 each, however this was stripped down, version adn max hardware was something like 40gb hdd, and 256mb ram. This was to counter piracy, oddly the article did not mention countering Linux and free software. Given that Linux is available, and is not cut down, sounds a good opportunity to push Linux as an alternative to Windows XP in this format. Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 16:17:15 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:17:15 +0000 Subject: can't find /dev/sda1 - FIXED In-Reply-To: <87accdd0yn.fsf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4401E784.2060407@zen.co.uk> <87accdd0yn.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4403260B.3030205@zen.co.uk> Thanks, have fixed this now, had a problem with the camera. Paul Ian Zimmerman wrote: >Paul> I need to create a new one, but don't understand the major minor >Paul> bit of the command > >Paul> mknod --help > >Paul> so far I have mknod /dev/sda1 b where b is the block device, > >A safer way should be > ># cd /dev ; ./MAKEDEV sda1 > > > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 16:38:27 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:38:27 +0000 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44032B03.6070006@zen.co.uk> Have a look at this site, it may be useful for your project, but remember to list all sources of informatiion in a bibliography, The article near the top on the right hand side, may be interesting, # Why OSS/FS? Look at the Numbers! (Paper) [Popular] # Why FLOSS? Look at the Numbers! (Presentation) [Popular] http://www.dwheeler.com/ I guess one thing to consier is 1. If you replace Linux on the server, this is only a few computers, and as your a technican you are able to learn the software, 2. If you replace windows on the desktop, you are dealing with users (I am in no way suggesting users are incapable, I know people who use computers but would rather, not, use them, where as others are a bit more open to chanage, while other users, are technically minded and will fiddle, and learn and be happy with a good manual on the software and don't need much help) suddenly expecting people used to windows and MS office to start using Linux / Open offiice isa big jump for some, while not for others, so I guess you should take this into consideration Perhaps price out gradual changes, i.e change MS office to Openoffice at the next upgrade cycle, or even before that give copies of Open office away to staff, and help them learn (books like sams tys openoffice.org are a good start. and I guess reasonable price. Retraining costs, to the new software, lots of people can train staff in MS office, therefore a company that can train on OO.org may take advantage of what they see as a smaller market and charge more. Take into account in house or external training. Retraining HR staff to look out for people with Linux desktop and Open office skills. How many people are able to just switch, I have no problem with this but Im 30 and have been using computers for long enough now to be able to just move to new platforms/ Bye toc I assume you meant TCO (Total Cost of Ownership), you could look at costs of virus / spyware infection. etc. And generally when are you going to make the changes, how long will this take, and if you have to close the office, will the company lose money, and is this ofset by the overall savings of using Linux on the desktop. Another thing on the desktop is - full desktop install vs ltsp, benefits, and overall cost of mainenance, i.e with ltsp is centralised, and centralised data storage, therefore if a users computer breaks down, just take it out of the network and plug in a working one, all user data, settings are pulled from central server. Are these suggestions any help. Paul Randy Jonasz wrote: > Hey everybody, > > I'd like some help doing my homework. :) My project group at Mohawk > college have to give a panel discussion on the benefits of Linux on > the corporate desktop versus proprietary solutions aka Microsoft. I'm > doing some reading of my own on TOC, but I'd like to survey some > opinions on tlug. > > Cheers, > > Randy > > -- > Imagine no possessions > I wonder if you can > No need for greed or hunger > A brotherhood of man > Imagine all the people > Sharing all the world > --John Lennon -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 16:48:49 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:48:49 +0000 Subject: Laptops for Linux - video chipset In-Reply-To: <20060227132049.GT29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4401E784.2060407@zen.co.uk> <87accdd0yn.fsf@gmail.com> <44025E92.4000003@gmx.de> <20060227132049.GT29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <44032D71.30900@zen.co.uk> regarding video chipsets, the kanotix website www.kanotix.org had the advice, the newest apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist upgrade, (if this bit is wrong, you know what I mean i just don't have the correct syntax to hand) pulls in x.org 6.9, this works fine with nvidia chips but not with ati chipsets as yet. I guess nvidia would be a good option to go for, I have found that once the nvidia drivers are installed they work fine, with debian sid (kanotix) there is a script that pulls the driver from the net, and installs, that works great, having previousy had suse, the same process seems far more complex expecting users to actually set things up with sax / yast manually, which i did eventually but got me thinking if I struggle, i would hate to be a total newbie, with zero experience of Linux. So it's not just a case of chipset / driver, it could be down to individual distros. seems debian have got it right, and if the latest one works with sid it should work with stable, Paul Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 09:06:10PM -0500, Dominic Bonfiglio wrote: > > >>I am shopping for a new laptop, and I of course plan to use Linux for my >>operating system. Do all chipsets/motherboards work equally well with >>Linux? Has anyone in the community had particularly good or bad luck >>with certain manufacturers? >> >> > >ATI chipsets have been almost a nightmare for linux users so far. Clock >running double speed, and other weirdness. > >Intel generally works just fine, assuming your kernel is newer than >your chipset (obviously). > >Nvidia has in general worked pretty well (I haven't had any trouble with >them). > >Via tends to work great too (I also have had no problems with these). > >I haven't messed with SIS since my 486. I haven't heard any horror >stories though, so they are probably OK too. > >Wireless chips on the other hand are for the most part not supported. >Some can work with ndiswrappers (if you get the right version of >everything). Intel wireless chips are generally supported quite well, >broadcom isn't (yet. I think someone is trying to reverse engineer the >drivers). > >Len Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 17:09:43 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:09:43 +0000 Subject: Run level 3 on Live CD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44033257.6080801@zen.co.uk> I would go for a differetn distro, I have installed ubuntu at the rugby club, and ran into the same issue regarding root, try kanotix, that works really well for me anway if I was to introduce a new user to Linux, one of the first things I want to stress is the importance of NOT RUNNING AS ROOT, giving a new user a pseudo root, type system would seem to go against this and set a bad presidence for later ( bad habits ARE hard to break), yes it's a pain but many a lesson is learnt by running as root and doing something which will result in the need for a complete reinstall and loss of data, (norman in doze yes, but Linux is meant to avoid these problems) . I think the root nature of Linspire is one of the biggest critisisms of that distro, AFAIK there is not root password by default in ubbuntu , not sure what the fix is though, an su option perhaps, not sure, Kihara Muriithi wrote: > Hi, > Yesterday, I wanted to introduce a friend to Linux. Of course the > first thing one does it run a Live CD on the party in question PC. > That's when I landed in problem. > The computer boots alright, but X is all fuzzy. I could make icons > here and there, but I would be lying to say the computer was usable. > Oh, and there was five instances of every object. i.e. Five mice > pointers, five firefox icons etc. I forgot to pick the hardware > profile of the computer, but that can be fixed tomorrow. > My first reaction was, oh, easily, drop to level 3 and try starting X > manually. Kill it a minute later and look at the log. After rebooting > Ubantu, it dawned to me grub don't understand "e", "b" and "a" > commands. There is a silly diagnostic option, but it don't drop me on > a shell. Also, I can't get to the PC through the network as I don't > have a root password. How do you fix such an inflexible set up? > > Thanks in advance > William -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 17:23:22 2006 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:23:22 -0500 Subject: Run level 3 on Live CD In-Reply-To: <44033257.6080801-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <44033257.6080801@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <200602271223.22910.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On Monday 27 February 2006 12:09, Paul Sutton wrote: > AFAIK there is not root password by default in ubbuntu , ?not sure what > the fix is though, ?an su option perhaps, not sure, Start a console Enter the following: #sudo su #passwd Enter the new root password. Logout #exit or CTRL+D All done Now you can gain root access by typing su at the prompt. Use it wisely. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 17:29:54 2006 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:29:54 -0500 Subject: Apache2, Debian and SSI In-Reply-To: <43E6C85C.8040906-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43E6BCDF.2080603@alteeve.com> <43E6BF52.1060803@georgetown.wehave.net> <43E6C1D8.9070604@alteeve.com> <43E6C422.7040309@georgetown.wehave.net> <43E6C85C.8040906@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <44033712.9030803@interlog.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Thanks for the link, that helped clear things up but I still seem to > be plum out of luck. I can't even generate an error message. In the main > 'apache2.conf' there is: > > > SetOutputFilter INCLUDES > > > Which I have tried using directly in mu VH container without luck. I > tried the line you gave me in both places, too. Likewise, I tried the > XBitHack (threw an error) and the: > > AddType text/html .shtml > AddOutputFilter INCLUDES .shtml > > in both places as well. One thing that can help is to look at the stock commented httpd.conf file that comes with Apache (ie. httpd.conf.dist). The file should have the following lines: AddIcon /icons/layout.gif .html .shtml .htm .pdf # # Filters allow you to process content before it is sent to the client. # # To parse .shtml files for server-side includes (SSI): # (You will also need to add "Includes" to the "Options" directive.) # AddType text/html .shtml AddOutputFilter INCLUDES .shtml All of the above are in the stock httpd.conf file and are not in a configuration block for a specific virtual server. Since you also mentioned index.shtml, don't forget to add index.shtml as the first entry in the DirectoryIndex line of the .conf file. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 18:13:03 2006 From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:13:03 -0500 Subject: TOC Linux In-Reply-To: <44032B03.6070006-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <44032B03.6070006@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Paul. The articles you mention look really interesting. One aspect of the debate between proprietary and open source which I had not considered is availability. How much downtime do Windows computers have versus Linux. Everytime you update Windows, a reboot is most likely required, while only the updated process on Linux needs to be restarted. I mean should we rely on Windows for air traffic control software? How much money is lost due to downtime? Then again you have to consider training costs for both applications as well in your consideration. If you strip away the hype, politics and fud, the issue is an interesting one. Thanks again, Randy On 2/27/06, Paul Sutton wrote: > > > Have a look at this site, it may be useful for your project, but > remember to list all sources of informatiion in a bibliography, The > article near the top on the right hand side, may be interesting, > > # Why OSS/FS? Look at the Numbers! (Paper) [Popular] > # Why FLOSS? Look at the Numbers! (Presentation) [Popular] > > http://www.dwheeler.com/ > > I guess one thing to consier is > > 1. If you replace Linux on the server, this is only a few computers, > and as your a technican you are able to learn the software, > 2. If you replace windows on the desktop, you are dealing with users (I > am in no way suggesting users are incapable, I know people who use > computers but would rather, not, use them, where as others are a bit > more open to chanage, while other users, are technically minded and will > fiddle, and learn and be happy with a good manual on the software and > don't need much help) suddenly expecting people used to windows and MS > office to start using Linux / Open offiice isa big jump for some, while > not for others, so I guess you should take this into consideration > > Perhaps price out gradual changes, i.e change MS office to Openoffice at > the next upgrade cycle, or even before that give copies of Open office > away to staff, and help them learn (books like sams tys openoffice.org > are a good start. and I guess reasonable price. > > Retraining costs, to the new software, lots of people can train staff in > MS office, therefore a company that can train on OO.org may take > advantage of what they see as a smaller market and charge more. Take > into account in house or external training. > > Retraining HR staff to look out for people with Linux desktop and Open > office skills. How many people are able to just switch, I have no > problem with this but Im 30 and have been using computers for long > enough now to be able to just move to new platforms/ > > Bye toc I assume you meant TCO (Total Cost of Ownership), you could > look at costs of virus / spyware infection. etc. And generally when are > you going to make the changes, how long will this take, and if you > have to close the office, will the company lose money, and is this > ofset by the overall savings of using Linux on the desktop. > > Another thing on the desktop is - full desktop install vs ltsp, > benefits, and overall cost of mainenance, i.e with ltsp is centralised, > and centralised data storage, therefore if a users computer breaks down, > just take it out of the network and plug in a working one, all user > data, settings are pulled from central server. > > Are these suggestions any help. > > Paul > > > > > Randy Jonasz wrote: > > > Hey everybody, > > > > I'd like some help doing my homework. :) My project group at Mohawk > > college have to give a panel discussion on the benefits of Linux on > > the corporate desktop versus proprietary solutions aka Microsoft. I'm > > doing some reading of my own on TOC, but I'd like to survey some > > opinions on tlug. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Randy > > > > -- > > Imagine no possessions > > I wonder if you can > > No need for greed or hunger > > A brotherhood of man > > Imagine all the people > > Sharing all the world > > --John Lennon > > > > -- > http://www.zleap.net > http://www.openoffice.org > http://www.linux.org > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version 3.1 > GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- > O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- > DI! D++ G e H! r! z? > > -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world --John Lennon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 19:10:01 2006 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:10:01 -0500 Subject: Cheap/free CNC Machine Access... In-Reply-To: <20060208170440.68685.qmail-W5RQQfbthkOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060208170440.68685.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44034E89.4070606@interlog.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > Well, I don't claim to be very artistic, but figuring > my way through creating a CAD file that has a Tux > image from say: > > http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ > > reduced down to say 21 mm ... that I think I can do... > basically tell the machine if it is black mill it out > to a depth of x mm... You are looking for something along the lines of the bottom left image on that web page? How thick would the black areas be compared to the white areas? It should be fairly easy hard to create a basic 3D model using that image as a guide. I have both Rhino 3D (surface modeller) and IronCAD (solid modeller). Would the CNC machine accept an IGES file for import or do you need something else? The programs I use can output several different file formats. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 19:29:12 2006 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:29:12 -0500 Subject: find usage In-Reply-To: References: <20060214174341.GH29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <44035308.80704@interlog.com> Kihara Muriithi wrote: > Sorensen suggestion fixed it > # find / -xdev -name *ldif > /usr/share/doc/python-ldap-2.0.6/Demo/Lib/ldif If you are going to use wildcards when searching for files you should enclose the pattern in double quotes to prevent the shell from expanding the wildcard and possibly passing a lot of things to the program other than what you intended. ie. # find / -xdev -name "*ldif" I also tend to add -print at the end (perhaps its just habit more than something that is necessary). -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 20:01:37 2006 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:01:37 +0000 Subject: Compiling help needed In-Reply-To: <87ek1pd13f.fsf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200602201718.04645.mervc@eol.ca> <200602261617.30814.mervc@eol.ca> <87ek1pd13f.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602272001.37474.mervc@eol.ca> On Monday 27 February 2006 01:47, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > Merv> I don't think that I have ever heard of this file, so I have added > Merv> it to my notes. But for the last run of configure the file is > Merv> 111K and full of totally incomprehensible gibberish. Us once a > Merv> year users of compile are going to need translators methinks. > > Understood, but you might post it (or rather, an URL to it :-/ ) > when asking. I hope no thinks I am belabouring the subject, but I don't have a website so I guess I couldn't supply a URL. Anyway, if I need help, I certainly know that some here are more than willing. I will ask before posting/attaching a large file. Thanks Ian -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 20:06:06 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:06:06 -0500 Subject: Cheap/free CNC Machine Access... In-Reply-To: <44034E89.4070606-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20060208170440.68685.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <44034E89.4070606@interlog.com> Message-ID: <4386c5b20602271206h2f35ee8evc13b323bb21757a@mail.gmail.com> I've been half-following this thread, and it just occured to me that, given the expense and trouble of creating a metal badge, have you thought about stepping back and trying another medium? Case mod designers have put together a lot of experience using paints and stencils on cases, and I'll bet that a really cool stencil could be made WAYYY cheaper than a metal badge, and might even look better. Naturally, if you're truly bent on having this metal badge, go for it. But here's just an idea... Cheers! Aaron. On 2/27/06, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > > Well, I don't claim to be very artistic, but figuring > > my way through creating a CAD file that has a Tux > > image from say: > > > > http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ > > > > reduced down to say 21 mm ... that I think I can do... > > basically tell the machine if it is black mill it out > > to a depth of x mm... > > You are looking for something along the lines of the bottom left image on that > web page? How thick would the black areas be compared to the white areas? It > should be fairly easy hard to create a basic 3D model using that image as a > guide. I have both Rhino 3D (surface modeller) and IronCAD (solid modeller). > Would the CNC machine accept an IGES file for import or do you need something > else? The programs I use can output several different file formats. > > -- > Cheers! > > Kevin. > > http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" > Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: > | Try to assimilate the world!" > #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmacdonald-YnHZKt8RimsqDJ6do+/SaQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 22:05:43 2006 From: jmacdonald-YnHZKt8RimsqDJ6do+/SaQ at public.gmane.org (Jay MacDonald) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:05:43 -0800 Subject: Job Posting: Technical Services Specialist Message-ID: <1141077943.18032.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Overall Purpose Layer 7 Technologies is seeking to fill a position of Technical Services Specialist. The purpose of this position is to provide pre and post sales technical support for Layer 7 Technologies' SecureSpan suite of products. In addition to assisting the sales team and Layer 7's clients, the Technical Services Specialist works closely with the sales and product development teams to provide a conduit of communication between them. Tasks Performed Duties for the position are many and varied, with focus to be determined based upon performance evaluations. I.e. the following list should be considered a superset of the tasks the position will eventually entail. * Assist sales representatives with technical aspects of the sales process * Assist customers with technical support issues * Coordinate creation and delivery of proposals * Manage proof of concept, evaluation and demonstration deployments * Train customers on use of product * Develop and maintain demonstration systems and services * Develop and maintain Client Services related process and policy documents * Manage product inventory * Manage trouble ticket system Relationships and Roles The Technical Services Specialist reports directly to the VP of Client Services or equivalent. Required Skills * Minimum three years experience with Internet communication systems. Successful candidate must be well versed in the technical aspects of on-line communication including HTTP, XML, SOAP, SSL, PKI, etc. * Minimum two years experience with Linux system administration in a web hosting environment. Successful candidate can install and maintain an RPM based system in a production environment. * Minimum two years experience in a customer support position. Successful candidate must have good trouble shooting skills and understand the nuances of dealing directly with customers and the importance of timely customer service. * Excellent communication and teaching skills are a must. Successful candidate is required to train customers and to communicate customer suggestions back to the development team. Strong English language skills are essential. * Excellent organizational skills are a must. Successful candidate must be able to track multiple aspect of multiple ongoing projects. * Telecommuting and self motivation skills are a must. Successful candidate will be working from a home office when not travelling. Other Skills * Knowledge of digital encryption systems is a plus. Successful candidate should understand the basics of public key cryptography and PKI. * Coding skills are a plus, especially Java. Skills with web oriented programming languages (perl, php, python, etc) are helpful. * Network administration skills are a plus. Successful candidate should understand the basics of computer network, especially TCP/IP and Internet systems. * Writing skills are a plus. Successful candidate will be required to write proposals, training manuals and other documents. * Relational Database Administration skills are a plus, especially experience with MySQL. * Experience with office tools (word processor, spreadsheet, presentation) and on-line communication tools (web browsers, email, instant messaging) is a plus. Job Location Successful candidate is located in the eastern part of Canada and will work from home when not travelling, particularly to Vancouver and locations throughout North America. About Layer 7 Technologies Layer 7 Technologies helps enterprises accomplish secure and cost-effective business integration using XML and Web services. Layer 7 Technologies? SecureSpan product line is the first set of products to address security and governance end-to-end across a Web services and SOA deployment without expensive and inflexible programming. With the SecureSpan set of products, customers realize lowered integration costs, increased security reliability, and the ability to future-proof their Web services and SOA investments. Based in Vancouver, Canada, Layer 7 offers a dynamic work environment, attractive benefits and the opportunity to be a part of a rapidly growing company in the high tech industry. Learn more at http://www.layer7tech.com Please send resume in confidence as PDF, ODT or DOC documents to: Jay MacDonald Senior Solutions Architect jmacdonald at layer7tech.com -- Jay MacDonald - Senior Solutions Architect - Layer 7 Technologies 1501 - 700 W Georgia St Phone: 604-681-9377 x322 Vancouver, BC V7Y 1B6 Canada Fax: 604-681-9387 jmacdonald-YnHZKt8RimsqDJ6do+/SaQ at public.gmane.org http://www.layer7tech.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From brat-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 27 22:44:24 2006 From: brat-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org (Angelina Carlton) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:44:24 -0500 Subject: Compiling help needed In-Reply-To: <200602272001.37474.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> (Merv Curley's message of "Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:01:37 +0000") References: <200602201718.04645.mervc@eol.ca> <200602261617.30814.mervc@eol.ca> <87ek1pd13f.fsf@gmail.com> <200602272001.37474.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <87hd6kv2uv.fsf@magma.ca> Merv Curley writes: > On Monday 27 February 2006 01:47, Ian Zimmerman wrote: >> Merv> I don't think that I have ever heard of this file, so I have added >> Merv> it to my notes. But for the last run of configure the file is >> Merv> 111K and full of totally incomprehensible gibberish. Us once a >> Merv> year users of compile are going to need translators methinks. >> >> Understood, but you might post it (or rather, an URL to it :-/ ) >> when asking. > > I hope no thinks I am belabouring the subject, but I don't have a website so > I guess I couldn't supply a URL. > > Anyway, if I need help, I certainly know that some here are more than > willing. I will ask before posting/attaching a large file. A good solution for this is pastebins, (for text files) http://pastebin.ca/ is pretty good and TLUG could probably even make a personalized one at http://pastebin.ca/makesub.php One nice feature is many pastbins now archive the pastes so you can revisit them later. That particular site is now adding support for images which is another great feature. -- -----Angelina Carlton----- orchid on irc.freenode.net brat-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org web:bzgirl.bakadigital.com -------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pallen3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 00:28:46 2006 From: pallen3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Patrick Allen) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:28:46 -0500 Subject: OT: laser printer In-Reply-To: <20060226223716.0bnndmpqocw40ww0-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <4401EF9C.7030201@mathstat.yorku.ca> <20060226215011.GR29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20060226223716.0bnndmpqocw40ww0@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <4403993E.6080206@cogeco.ca> moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org wrote: > Given that changing the cartridge costs more than a hundred bucks > it's not my first choice. I do still have the old empty cartridge; > I suppose I could try getting one of those refill kits. Any experience > with that? Certain "smart" cartridges may give you some unexpected trouble. There are ways of resetting cartridges that insist that they're empty even after they have been refilled. But it involves screwdrivers, schematics and a battery. ....or something like that. Apparently Business Depot has "third party" cartridges for a few different printers. That may be an option for you should you be blessed with a "smart" printer. PA -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 02:54:14 2006 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:54:14 -0500 Subject: MP3 Players Message-ID: <4403BB56.5020103@sympatico.ca> My daughter is hoping for an MP3 player for her birthday. I just checked the Sony line at their store and started losing interest in the Sony products when the salesman insisted I was required to use the Sony PC software to load music to the player (it compresses the songs even further, supposedly). I couldn't get past the point with him that I was not going to use his proprietary software. From people's experiences, do any of the USB MP3 players get recognized as a drive in Linux so I can do a simple MP3 file transfer? Are there any players known to be trouble with Linux? Thanks for any advice. John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 03:16:41 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:16:41 -0500 Subject: MP3 Players In-Reply-To: <4403BB56.5020103-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4403BB56.5020103@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10602271916g6762cb8v82c06adf2b0f25be@mail.gmail.com> On 2/27/06, John Moniz wrote: > From people's experiences, do any of the USB MP3 players get recognized > as a drive in Linux so I can do a simple MP3 file transfer? Are there > any players known to be trouble with Linux? I don't have this device personally, but when I was checking out MP3 players the iAudio products looked interesting and are (supposedly) supported in Linux as removable storage devices: http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/iaudio/u3/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 03:18:54 2006 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kihara Muriithi) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:18:54 -0500 Subject: Run level 3 on Live CD In-Reply-To: <200602271223.22910.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <44033257.6080801@zen.co.uk> <200602271223.22910.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: Hi, Thanks a lot Jason. Yeah, using 800x600 did help. I didn't like the solution though since a noob would find it unfriendly. Since the CD was a little old, I guessed a recent version may have fixed the problem and it turned out to be true. Now, he can monkey with it until he feel ready to install it on hard disk. Paul has a good point though. Ubantu has disabled way too many useful facilities in the name of being user friendly and I am getting cranky when I come across these barriers. In fact, I am no longer as impressed with Ubantu as sometimes back, but this could be related to the fact I have made Redhat my staple food recently. Thanks William On 27/02/06, Jason Shein wrote: > > On Monday 27 February 2006 12:09, Paul Sutton wrote: > > AFAIK there is not root password by default in ubbuntu , not sure what > > the fix is though, an su option perhaps, not sure, > > Start a console > Enter the following: > > #sudo su > #passwd > Enter the new root password. Logout > #exit or CTRL+D > > All done > > Now you can gain root access by typing su at the prompt. > > Use it wisely. > > -- > Jason Shein > Director of Networking, Operations and Systems > Detached Networks > jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org > ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice > ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile > http://www.detachednetworks.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 03:53:52 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:53:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Powerpoint Bloat Message-ID: <50930.207.188.65.194.1141098832.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> I recently had occasion to move a presentation from Microsoft Powerpoint format to Open Office Presentation format. Comparing two presentations of roughly the same complexity, both containg jpg images and text, the Powerpoint file, which was created using Microsoft Powerpoint is a full *ten* times larger than the Presentation file: approximately 22 megs vs 2.5 megs. When I save the file from Open Office Presentation in Powerpoint format, it's approximately the same size as the Presentation file. My guess: the original Powerpoint file uses one word per pixel and bit-maps the images. There is a compression utility available in Powerpoint, and when used it produced a zero-length file. Either it's incredibly effective at compression ;) or it's defective. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 04:00:55 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:00:55 -0500 Subject: MP3 Players In-Reply-To: <4403BB56.5020103-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4403BB56.5020103@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20060228040055.GA5377@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I have an RCA player that is supported by Linux as a USB mass storage device, and it takes SD cards, which are also supported. It is a very simple device, however, so if you are looking for a specific track it gets tiresome in a hurry, and seeking within a longish track is quite slow too. That said, it was $50, and my SD cards can move between MP3 player, PDA and camera without interfering with each other, which is a big selling point. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 04:08:47 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:08:47 -0500 Subject: Powerpoint Bloat In-Reply-To: <50930.207.188.65.194.1141098832.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50930.207.188.65.194.1141098832.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <4403CCCF.7020905@rogers.com> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > I recently had occasion to move a presentation from Microsoft Powerpoint > format to Open Office Presentation format. Comparing two presentations of > roughly the same complexity, both containg jpg images and text, the > Powerpoint file, which was created using Microsoft Powerpoint is a full > *ten* times larger than the Presentation file: approximately 22 megs vs > 2.5 megs. > > When I save the file from Open Office Presentation in Powerpoint format, > it's approximately the same size as the Presentation file. My guess: the > original Powerpoint file uses one word per pixel and bit-maps the images. > > There is a compression utility available in Powerpoint, and when used it > produced a zero-length file. Either it's incredibly effective at > compression ;) or it's defective. Surely you wouldn't think that Sir Billy would sell defective software. ;-) Actually, one thing that's part of the open document format, which OO uses, it zip compression. You can actually change the file extention to .zip and then unzip the file, to see the contents. There's a brief description of the file format, in the OO user guide. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 04:16:03 2006 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:16:03 -0500 Subject: Powerpoint Bloat In-Reply-To: <4403CCCF.7020905-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <50930.207.188.65.194.1141098832.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4403CCCF.7020905@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200602272316.03639.marc@lijour.net> > There's a brief > description of the file format, in the OO user guide. You can also download a 500 pages document detailling the format. Linux Journal dedicated an article on it last year. Inside the zip file you have a couple of xml documents. content.xml contains, you've guessed it, the content of your document. It is worth to take a look. Because it is xml it is easy to transform to another format. Last year I used XSLT to transform a multi-sheet spreadsheet into a custom xml format (cross-referencing 3 tables). It was fun and quite easy thanks to the great documentation mentioned above. Great job OOo team! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 04:17:22 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:17:22 -0500 Subject: Metal Tux case badges... another approach In-Reply-To: <20060215191137.1191.qmail-XddnEKhDJlqB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060215191137.1191.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200602272317.23320.interlug@weait.net> On Wednesday 15 February 2006 14:11, Colin McGregor wrote: > Ok, the whole doing metal Tux case badges for the > Linux World show is a pet obsession for me... The > problem that I have is creating a "master" badge from > which copies can be made. To that end I asked about > CNC machines for directly cutting a master out of say > aluminium, an approach that so far has not come up > with workable solutions. Here's another go at the metal case badges. A friend of mine is an artist and sculptor. Here's what she came up with. > Artcast says that six bronze badges from six original waxes at > 1"x1" would be $100 + GST/PST, so $115. This isn't a problem for me, > because I would probably sculpt one positive in clay, take a negative > from it in plaster, and then make six waxes from that plaster. I'd > charge an absolute maximum of $230 for the privilege of doing this, > including paying ArtCast and getting all the shipping sorted (because > I am super-excited about it), but I'd only charge after someone > approved the initial clay. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 04:36:59 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:36:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Powerpoint Bloat In-Reply-To: <200602272316.03639.marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <50930.207.188.65.194.1141098832.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4403CCCF.7020905@rogers.com> <200602272316.03639.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: <1109.69.195.9.178.1141101419.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> >> There's a brief >> description of the file format, in the OO user guide. > > You can also download a 500 pages document detailling the format. > Linux Journal dedicated an article on it last year. > > Inside the zip file you have a couple of xml documents. content.xml > contains, > you've guessed it, the content of your document. > It is worth to take a look. > Interesting. That explains why the file didn't shrink when I use gzip on it. P. Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 06:08:56 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:08:56 -0500 Subject: Looking for 2 linux apps Message-ID: <20060228060856.GA1261@waltdnes.org> 1) Given a a text file with latitude+longitude and some numbers, I want to plot the numbers on a map of Canada. Something lightweight please, not the complexity of GRASS or maps.google.com 2) I want to do some basic editing on a midi music file. I can RTFM, but reading the man page requires having the app installed, which assumes that you know which app to use in the first place. -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 11:53:51 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:53:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: MP3 Players In-Reply-To: <4403BB56.5020103-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4403BB56.5020103@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20060228115351.18926.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- John Moniz wrote: > My daughter is hoping for an MP3 player for her > birthday. I just checked > the Sony line at their store and started losing > interest in the Sony > products when the salesman insisted I was required > to use the Sony PC > software to load music to the player (it compresses > the songs even > further, supposedly). I couldn't get past the point > with him that I was > not going to use his proprietary software. > > From people's experiences, do any of the USB MP3 > players get recognized > as a drive in Linux so I can do a simple MP3 file > transfer? Are there > any players known to be trouble with Linux? The VAST majority of USB MP3 players are seen as USB external drives to Linux. The magic question to ask the sales munchkins is "Do I need a driver program to make this work with Windows 2000?". There was strangeness with Windows 98 and external USB drives, so if there is a Windows 98 driver disk, no problem. If no driver is required for Windows 2000 you know the device will look/act just like an external memory key or external hard drive. The reverse is obvious, if a driver disk is required for use with Windows 2000 (and there are a small number of such devices out there), run, don't walk away. Colin McGregor > Thanks for any advice. > > John. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 12:02:25 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:02:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Metal Tux case badges... another approach In-Reply-To: <200602272317.23320.interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <200602272317.23320.interlug@weait.net> Message-ID: <20060228120225.12973.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: > On Wednesday 15 February 2006 14:11, Colin McGregor > wrote: > > Ok, the whole doing metal Tux case badges for the > > Linux World show is a pet obsession for me... The > > problem that I have is creating a "master" badge > from > > which copies can be made. To that end I asked > about > > CNC machines for directly cutting a master out of > say > > aluminium, an approach that so far has not come up > > with workable solutions. > > Here's another go at the metal case badges. A > friend of mine is an artist and > sculptor. Here's what she came up with. I appreciate you getting this. Last evening the GTALUG board gave me a dollar figure that I will have to live inside for the show. Now, I am going to have to sit down and figure out what can be done inside that figure as while I do want to do the case badges, there are other things like photocopies, booth banner, etc., etc., that MUST take a higher priority. So, I will have to get back to you once I have had a few days to crunch numbers, but I strongly suspect that $230 is out of the question and $115 is problematic... Thanks again for checking. Colin McGregor > > Artcast says that six bronze badges from six > original waxes at > > 1"x1" would be $100 + GST/PST, so $115. This isn't > a problem for me, > > because I would probably sculpt one positive in > clay, take a negative > > from it in plaster, and then make six waxes from > that plaster. I'd > > charge an absolute maximum of $230 for the > privilege of doing this, > > including paying ArtCast and getting all the > shipping sorted (because > > I am super-excited about it), but I'd only charge > after someone > > approved the initial clay. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 12:38:07 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:38:07 -0500 Subject: MP3 Players In-Reply-To: <20060228115351.18926.qmail-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060228115351.18926.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4404442F.7010309@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > The VAST majority of USB MP3 players are seen as USB > external drives to Linux. The magic question to ask > the sales munchkins is "Do I need a driver program to > make this work with Windows 2000?". There was > strangeness with Windows 98 and external USB drives, > so if there is a Windows 98 driver disk, no problem. > If no driver is required for Windows 2000 you know the > device will look/act just like an external memory key > or external hard drive. The reverse is obvious, if a > driver disk is required for use with Windows 2000 (and > there are a small number of such devices out there), > run, don't walk away. But then you'd have to assume the sales droid is capable of a straight answer. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 12:45:03 2006 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:45:03 -0500 Subject: MP3 Players In-Reply-To: <4404442F.7010309-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20060228115351.18926.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4404442F.7010309@rogers.com> Message-ID: Reminds me of the joke What is the difference between a computer salesman and a car salesman? The car salesman knows when he is lying... Dave On 28-Feb-06, at 7:38 AM, James Knott wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > >> The VAST majority of USB MP3 players are seen as USB >> external drives to Linux. The magic question to ask >> the sales munchkins is "Do I need a driver program to >> make this work with Windows 2000?". There was >> strangeness with Windows 98 and external USB drives, >> so if there is a Windows 98 driver disk, no problem. >> If no driver is required for Windows 2000 you know the >> device will look/act just like an external memory key >> or external hard drive. The reverse is obvious, if a >> driver disk is required for use with Windows 2000 (and >> there are a small number of such devices out there), >> run, don't walk away. > > But then you'd have to assume the sales droid is capable of a straight > answer. ;-) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 13:58:26 2006 From: frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:58:26 -0500 Subject: Help wanted: Web database application distributability In-Reply-To: References: <20060228115351.18926.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4404442F.7010309@rogers.com> Message-ID: <8C80A862E62BA49-1CB8-1E2C3@mblkn-m19.sysops.aol.com> Hi, I have a web database application. It is running well but it is hard-coded as one-database-one-Java-machine. Now I need to modify it to install on multiple computers sharing the same database. The application is pretty well modulized professionally. If you are good at Java, JSP,Tomcat(or J2EE) and JDBC/Database and you know how to store and to access files in a database, it is a piece of cake for you. I will provide database support and some table design. It is a $1000CAD job. If any body is good at this job, please contact me. I can also provide some help with Java coding and JSP page design. Frank Peng. ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 14:12:22 2006 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:12:22 -0500 Subject: Powerpoint Bloat In-Reply-To: <1109.69.195.9.178.1141101419.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50930.207.188.65.194.1141098832.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4403CCCF.7020905@rogers.com> <200602272316.03639.marc@lijour.net> <1109.69.195.9.178.1141101419.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20060228091222.2798516e.hgibson@eol.ca> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:36:59 -0500 (EST) phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >> There's a brief > >> description of the file format, in the OO user guide. > > > > You can also download a 500 pages document detailling the format. > > Linux Journal dedicated an article on it last year. > > > > Inside the zip file you have a couple of xml documents. content.xml > > contains, > > you've guessed it, the content of your document. > > It is worth to take a look. > > > > Interesting. That explains why the file didn't shrink when I use gzip on it. Has anyone tried importing bitmap graphics into Microsoft Word or Powerpoint lately? When I did this in the past, the graphics were converted to BMP format. Microsoft does not like JPEG or GIF, and I bet they hate PNG. This would affect your file size. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 14:16:50 2006 From: phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org (phil) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:16:50 -0500 Subject: Help wanted: Web database application distributability In-Reply-To: <8C80A862E62BA49-1CB8-1E2C3-yIZWdUiUUlqmgCvd3M1ss7pta98KZJIQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060228115351.18926.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4404442F.7010309@rogers.com> <8C80A862E62BA49-1CB8-1E2C3@mblkn-m19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Feb 28, 2006, at 8:58 AM, frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > I have a web database application. It is running well but it is > hard-coded as one-database-one-Java-machine. OK, but.... > I will provide database support and some table design. > I can also provide some help with Java coding and JSP page design. ...if it's already running well, why would you still be designing tables and pages? ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 14:37:14 2006 From: frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:37:14 -0500 Subject: Help wanted: Web database application distributability In-Reply-To: References: <20060228115351.18926.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4404442F.7010309@rogers.com> <8C80A862E62BA49-1CB8-1E2C3@mblkn-m19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C80A8B99F8B8F4-C70-E443@mblkn-m16.sysops.aol.com> To be distributable, some changes are needed. It is running one-database-one-Java-machine. Need to install on many Java machines and on many IP's. Frank Peng. -----Original Message----- From: phil To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:16:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Help wanted: Web database application distributability On Feb 28, 2006, at 8:58 AM, frankpeng-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > I have a web database application. It is running well but it is > hard-coded as one-database-one-Java-machine. OK, but.... > I will provide database support and some table design. > I can also provide some help with Java coding and JSP page design. ...if it's already running well, why would you still be designing tables and pages? ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 14:47:51 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:47:51 -0500 Subject: MP3 Players In-Reply-To: <4403BB56.5020103-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4403BB56.5020103@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20060228144751.GV29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 09:54:14PM -0500, John Moniz wrote: > My daughter is hoping for an MP3 player for her birthday. I just checked > the Sony line at their store and started losing interest in the Sony > products when the salesman insisted I was required to use the Sony PC > software to load music to the player (it compresses the songs even > further, supposedly). I couldn't get past the point with him that I was > not going to use his proprietary software. > > From people's experiences, do any of the USB MP3 players get recognized > as a drive in Linux so I can do a simple MP3 file transfer? Are there > any players known to be trouble with Linux? Most generic players are just a usb flash drive with some hardware that can read a fat filesystem and play MP3s. Some of the higher end ones are different. I suspect what sony is using is ATTRAC or ATTRAC3 enconding (the encoding they invented for the minidisc). Certainly many of the sony players have not supported mp3 at all, until very recently. I think the ipod you can simply copy files to the drive as a usb flash drive, but I could be wrong. It supports aac and mp3 I believe. Some creative players also require special software to load files onto them (I think most of theirs support mp3 and wma). So essentially the more generic and no name the player is, the more likely it is to just support mp3s and just work as a flash drive you can copy files to from any OS you want. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 14:59:07 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:59:07 -0500 Subject: Powerpoint Bloat In-Reply-To: <200602272316.03639.marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <50930.207.188.65.194.1141098832.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4403CCCF.7020905@rogers.com> <200602272316.03639.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: <4404653B.2030103@telly.org> Marc Lijour wrote: >Because it is xml it is easy to transform to another format. > Having a file in XML _enables_ it to be easily converted but doesn't guarantee that it can be. MS has for some time claimed to use XML file formats, however - they claim IP rights on the DTD - often the XML is simply used as a wrapper around untranslatable bags of binary It's important to note that the OOo file formats are not only in XML, but in complete, well-documented XML with no IP claims against the DTD. Having said that, I'm told that there are some instances (notably spreadsheets) where MS file formats _can_ be more efficient than ODT. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 15:09:24 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:09:24 -0500 Subject: Powerpoint Bloat In-Reply-To: <20060228091222.2798516e.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <50930.207.188.65.194.1141098832.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4403CCCF.7020905@rogers.com> <200602272316.03639.marc@lijour.net> <1109.69.195.9.178.1141101419.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20060228091222.2798516e.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20060228150924.GW29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 09:12:22AM -0500, Howard Gibson wrote: > Has anyone tried importing bitmap graphics into Microsoft Word or Powerpoint lately? > > When I did this in the past, the graphics were converted to BMP format. Microsoft does not like JPEG or GIF, and I bet they hate PNG. This would affect your file size. A few years ago I was messing around with some powerpoint files and I found to my surprise that all the images it contained were in fact PNG. I managed to search for the PNG header magic and extract all the images from the presentation that way. If they used JPEG the quality would support, but the size would shrink. BMP is just too bloated and doesn't support transparency. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 15:13:27 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:13:27 -0500 Subject: Looking for 2 linux apps In-Reply-To: <20060228060856.GA1261-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20060228060856.GA1261@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20060228151327.GX29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 01:08:56AM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > 1) Given a a text file with latitude+longitude and some numbers, I want > to plot the numbers on a map of Canada. Something lightweight please, > not the complexity of GRASS or maps.google.com I have no clue. :) > 2) I want to do some basic editing on a midi music file. I think rosegarden4 might work for that. libmidi-perl may be nice for the people who like to do it the hard way. lilypond is another option. noteedit could also be an option Those are the package names in Debian. > I can RTFM, but reading the man page requires having the app > installed, which assumes that you know which app to use in the first > place. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 15:32:32 2006 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:32:32 -0500 Subject: Looking for 2 linux apps In-Reply-To: <20060228151327.GX29939-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20060228060856.GA1261@waltdnes.org> <20060228151327.GX29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <44046D10.2080908@alteeve.com> > Something lightweight please, >>not the complexity of GRASS ... Can you get GRASS on Linux? Lance -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 15:43:53 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:43:53 -0500 Subject: Looking for 2 linux apps In-Reply-To: <44046D10.2080908-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060228060856.GA1261@waltdnes.org> <20060228151327.GX29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44046D10.2080908@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200602281043.53383.interlug@weait.net> On Tuesday 28 February 2006 10:32, Lance F. Squire wrote: > Can you get GRASS on Linux? Yup. You can take a course on it, too! http://hamilton.linux.ca/viewtopic.php?t=81&sid=48439fd00d6c28ae815756914e53125d -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 15:48:42 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:48:42 -0500 Subject: Looking for 2 linux apps In-Reply-To: <44046D10.2080908-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20060228060856.GA1261@waltdnes.org> <20060228151327.GX29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44046D10.2080908@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Lance F. Squire wrote: > > Something lightweight please, >>> not the complexity of GRASS ... > > Can you get GRASS on Linux? > > Lance Yup. apt-cache show grass Package: grass Priority: extra Section: universe/science Installed-Size: 13804 Maintainer: Debian GIS Project Architecture: i386 .... Description: Geographic Resources Analysis Support System Commonly referred to as GRASS, this is a Geographic Information System (GIS) used for geospatial data management and analysis, image processing, graphics/map production, spatial modeling, and visualization. GRASS is currently used in academic and commercial settings around the world, as well as by many government agencies and environmental consulting companies. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 16:14:26 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:14:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Powerpoint Bloat In-Reply-To: <4404653B.2030103-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <50930.207.188.65.194.1141098832.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4403CCCF.7020905@rogers.com> <200602272316.03639.marc@lijour.net> <4404653B.2030103@telly.org> Message-ID: <50163.207.188.65.194.1141143266.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Evan wrote: > Having a file in XML _enables_ it to be easily converted but doesn't > guarantee that it can be. > MS has for some time claimed to use XML file formats, however > - they claim IP rights on the DTD ^^^? What is this, please? > - often the XML is simply used as a wrapper around untranslatable bags > of binary Bags o' Binary. What a great description of MS file formats. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 16:21:37 2006 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:21:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Powerpoint Bloat In-Reply-To: <50163.207.188.65.194.1141143266.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50163.207.188.65.194.1141143266.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20060228162137.24936.qmail@web88010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > > Having a file in XML _enables_ it to be easily > converted but doesn't > > guarantee that it can be. > > MS has for some time claimed to use XML file > formats, however > > - they claim IP rights on the DTD > ^^^? What is this, > please? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_Type_Definition In short, it a DTD defines the type of an XML document. For example, if I'm designing an XML document to carry messages regarding stock purchases, I'm probably going to use an XML doc with a specific structure. A DTD describes that structure and allowable values. -M -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 16:27:28 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:27:28 -0500 Subject: Powerpoint Bloat In-Reply-To: <50163.207.188.65.194.1141143266.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50930.207.188.65.194.1141098832.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4404653B.2030103@telly.org> <50163.207.188.65.194.1141143266.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <200602281127.28967.interlug@weait.net> On Tuesday 28 February 2006 11:14, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Evan wrote: > > Having a file in XML _enables_ it to be easily converted but doesn't > > guarantee that it can be. > > MS has for some time claimed to use XML file formats, however > > - they claim IP rights on the DTD > > ^^^? What is this, please? DTD - Document Type Definition Well formed documents will include a reference to a valid DTD. Adherence to the DTD deterimines whether a web page or style sheet is html, xhtml, css or some failed attempt at those (or other) standards. DTDs specify the version and strictness as well. So html 4 transitional is more forgiving a DTD than xhtml 1.1 strict. The genericness of XML allows us to apply DTDs to non-web documents as well. ^^^^^^^^^^^ '--- That is _SO_ a word. Lousy spell checker. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 16:33:51 2006 From: jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:33:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: MP3 Players In-Reply-To: <20060228115351.18926.qmail-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20060228115351.18926.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Colin McGregor wrote: > The VAST majority of USB MP3 players are seen as USB > external drives to Linux. The magic question to ask > the sales munchkins is "Do I need a driver program to > make this work with Windows 2000?". There was > strangeness with Windows 98 and external USB drives, > so if there is a Windows 98 driver disk, no problem. > If no driver is required for Windows 2000 you know the > device will look/act just like an external memory key > or external hard drive. The reverse is obvious, if a > driver disk is required for use with Windows 2000 (and > there are a small number of such devices out there), > run, don't walk away. Microsoft has come out with their own "Media Transfer Protocol". Since I suspect that a) many Mp3 players manufactured nowadays will use this protocol instead of USB mass storage, and b) Windows 2000 supports this protocol out of the box, I'm not so sure that the lack of a win2000 driver means that the player is linux-friendly. Wikipedia entry for Media Transfer Protocol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol JV -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 16:43:29 2006 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:43:29 -0500 Subject: GRASS In-Reply-To: <200602281043.53383.interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20060228060856.GA1261@waltdnes.org> <20060228151327.GX29939@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44046D10.2080908@alteeve.com> <200602281043.53383.interlug@weait.net> Message-ID: <44047DB1.6030007@alteeve.com> interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Yup. You can take a course on it, too! > http://hamilton.linux.ca/viewtopic.php?t=81&sid=48439fd00d6c28ae815756914e53125d Thanks for the link. I see this is a compleatly different GRASS from the one I was thinking. This being 'Geographic Resources Analysis Support System' I was hopeing for 'GRAphics Symbiosis System' by Tom DeFanti. Later became RT/1 Lance -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 17:27:22 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:27:22 -0500 Subject: Powerpoint Bloat In-Reply-To: <50163.207.188.65.194.1141143266.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50930.207.188.65.194.1141098832.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4403CCCF.7020905@rogers.com> <200602272316.03639.marc@lijour.net> <4404653B.2030103@telly.org> <50163.207.188.65.194.1141143266.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <440487FA.40409@telly.org> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >>- they claim IP rights on the DTD >> >> > ^^^? What is this, please? > > XML defines the structures, the DTD defines the kind of contents in a way that is mutually agreed by creators and accessors of the data. XML is a good generic structure for files, but a DTD document is required to define what kind of content is inside that structure. A word-processing DTD will be different from that for an XML file used to describe other kinds of data. A word-processing DTD needs to define, for instance, "bold" text, something that other uses of XML may not need. Another well-known document-creation DTD for XML, before OpenOffice came along, is DocBook. This is the DTD used by authors who create, amongst other things, the Linux Documentation Project and I believe is used by OReilly for its authors. DocBook was supported by OASIS even before OpenDocument: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_cat.php?cat=doccent and its format is described in at least two books. Actually, a look around the OASIS site will help examples of just how many different uses of XML -- and how many different DTDs -- are out there. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 17:33:00 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:33:00 -0500 Subject: spellcheck in openoffice not working Message-ID: <61e9e2b10602280933p3165e94ake74304530d32885@mail.gmail.com> When I use Spellcheck in OpenOffice, it returns a message stating there are no errors in the text, even after I deliberately misspell words to check its functionality. I am using OpenOffice 2.0.1-2 on Debian 'Sid'. These are the packages I have installed: apt-get install openoffice.org openoffice.org-help-en-us myspell-en-us apt-get install openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us msttcorefonts It is my understanding that myspell provides the dictionary for spellcheck in OpenOffice. Any idea how to fix this? Thanks for any help. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 17:46:37 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:46:37 -0500 Subject: spellcheck in openoffice not working In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10602280933p3165e94ake74304530d32885-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10602280933p3165e94ake74304530d32885@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060228174637.GA7360@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> >I am using OpenOffice 2.0.1-2 on Debian 'Sid'. These are the packages >I have installed: > >apt-get install openoffice.org openoffice.org-help-en-us myspell-en-us >apt-get install openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us msttcorefonts > >It is my understanding that myspell provides the dictionary for >spellcheck in OpenOffice. Any idea how to fix this? I think you may need to explicitly set up spellchecking. I am not in front of a machine with OOo, but I think it is Tools->Options->Language and then you set a default locale and spelling engine from dropdowns. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 18:18:07 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:18:07 -0500 Subject: spellcheck in openoffice not working In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10602280933p3165e94ake74304530d32885-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10602280933p3165e94ake74304530d32885@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602281318.09158.interlug@weait.net> On Tuesday 28 February 2006 12:33, Daniel Armstrong wrote: > When I use Spellcheck in OpenOffice, it returns a message stating > there are no errors in the text, even after I deliberately misspell > words to check its functionality. I've had this when I first tried to use EN_CA dictionary, rather than EN_US. Look in Tools >> Options >> Language Settings >> Languages Under default "languages for documents" you should have English (Canada) selected in the "Western" row. Does the selector have a little "ABC {checkmark}" icon on the left side? If it does, the dictionary is installed and I don't know what problem you are having. If that icon is missing, you need to install the Canadian English dictionary. It is shipped separately. Even though the language is listed. I know. Nice. Get your dictionary here. The automated dictionary wizard appears to be broken. http://lingucomponent.openoffice.org/dictpack.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 18:14:12 2006 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:14:12 -0500 Subject: spellcheck in Open Office Message-ID: <1141150453.8118.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> In Open Office you have to set the Language For Documents to either English (USA) or English (UK) in order for spell check to work because these are the two English varieties that have dictionaries available. You can find the config page this way: Tools --> Options --> Language Settings --> Languages --> the section you want is under 'Default languages for documents' HTH John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 18:25:47 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:25:47 -0500 Subject: Key signing / web of trust Was: spellcheck In-Reply-To: <20060228174637.GA7360-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10602280933p3165e94ake74304530d32885@mail.gmail.com> <20060228174637.GA7360@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200602281325.47517.interlug@weait.net> On Tuesday 28 February 2006 12:46, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: [spell check stuff on his signed message.] Logical left turn. A few posters are signing their posts regularly. I think that's cool. Does TLUG have regular key signing events? It would be great to have William's key on my key ring to verify his post. It would be even better if that key, and the others would also extend our webs of trust. This reminds me. KWLUG hasn't had a key signing in a while. We should do that again. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 18:45:16 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:45:16 -0500 Subject: spellcheck in openoffice not working In-Reply-To: <200602281318.09158.interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10602280933p3165e94ake74304530d32885@mail.gmail.com> <200602281318.09158.interlug@weait.net> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10602281045od362528l32bb34a92785f121@mail.gmail.com> On 2/28/06, interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: > On Tuesday 28 February 2006 12:33, Daniel Armstrong wrote: > > When I use Spellcheck in OpenOffice, it returns a message stating > > there are no errors in the text, even after I deliberately misspell > > words to check its functionality. > > I've had this when I first tried to use EN_CA dictionary, rather than EN_US. > > Look in Tools >> Options >> Language Settings >> Languages > > Under default "languages for documents" you should have English (Canada) > selected in the "Western" row. Does the selector have a little "ABC > {checkmark}" icon on the left side? If it does, the dictionary is installed > and I don't know what problem you are having. > > If that icon is missing, you need to install the Canadian English dictionary. > It is shipped separately. Even though the language is listed. I know. > Nice. > > Get your dictionary here. The automated dictionary wizard appears to be > broken. > http://lingucomponent.openoffice.org/dictpack.html Still not working. Steps taken so far: 1/ Checked the default "languages for documents"... indeed, I was missing the little 'ABC' checkmark icon, so I... 2/ Downloaded the Canadian English dictionary from the site you indicated, unzipped, and moved the files into /usr/share/myspell/dicts/ where the other dictionaries reside. 3/ Ran 'update-openoffice-dicts' as root, it returns a message of updating the dictionary list, but when I check /etc/openoffice/dictionary.lst, nothing has changed. How do I get OpenOffice to recognize there is a Canadian dictionary now present? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 19:11:18 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:11:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Powerpoint Bloat In-Reply-To: <440487FA.40409-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <50930.207.188.65.194.1141098832.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4403CCCF.7020905@rogers.com> <200602272316.03639.marc@lijour.net> <4404653B.2030103@telly.org> <50163.207.188.65.194.1141143266.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <440487FA.40409@telly.org> Message-ID: <50179.207.188.65.194.1141153878.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Another well-known document-creation DTD for XML, before OpenOffice came > along, is DocBook. This is the DTD used by authors who create, amongst > other things, the Linux Documentation Project and I believe is used by > OReilly for its authors. DocBook was supported by OASIS even before > OpenDocument: > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_cat.php?cat=doccent and its > format is described in at least two books. > > Actually, a look around the OASIS site will help examples of just how > many different uses of XML -- and how many different DTDs -- are out > there. > > - Evan Thanks, Evan, and the others who clarified this. This is Something New, I'll have to look into it. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 416-465-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 19:26:24 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:26:24 -0500 Subject: Powerpoint Bloat In-Reply-To: <200602281127.28967.interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <50930.207.188.65.194.1141098832.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4404653B.2030103@telly.org> <50163.207.188.65.194.1141143266.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200602281127.28967.interlug@weait.net> Message-ID: <4404A3E0.8030006@telly.org> interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: >The genericness of XML allows us to apply DTDs to non-web documents as well. > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > '--- That is _SO_ a word. Lousy spell checker. ;-) > > I prefer "genericity". :-) - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 19:36:11 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:36:11 +0000 Subject: Key signing / web of trust Was: spellcheck In-Reply-To: <200602281325.47517.interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10602280933p3165e94ake74304530d32885@mail.gmail.com> <20060228174637.GA7360@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <200602281325.47517.interlug@weait.net> Message-ID: On 2/28/06, interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: > On Tuesday 28 February 2006 12:46, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > [spell check stuff on his signed message.] > > Logical left turn. > > A few posters are signing their posts regularly. I think that's cool. Does > TLUG have regular key signing events? It would be great to have William's > key on my key ring to verify his post. It would be even better if that key, > and the others would also extend our webs of trust. Several times we have tried setting this up; I think I have signed a total of two peoples' keys, and I don't think I have ever actually had my key signed by anyone as a result... I think it would be a nice thing indeed to set up a key signing; this would require that people actually follow through and do it... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mikemacleod-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 19:37:04 2006 From: mikemacleod-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael MacLeod) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:37:04 -0500 Subject: MP3 Players In-Reply-To: References: <20060228115351.18926.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: With regards to the iPod, it appears as a regular firewire or usb external drive (newer iPod models don't have firewire, they're usb 2.0 only). You can copy files to the iPod just like any other external media, however, you can't just play them on the iPod. When you copy music to an iPod from iTunes, it updates an xml file on the iPod, which is where the play count and star ratings and stuff are also stored for each track, and how iTunes syncs this information up between your main library and your iPod. I believe Rhythmbox can read and write this xml file. At least it could when I was doing this research a little under two years ago. I ended up purchasing a powerbook g4 as well as a ipod, so the whole issue became moot for me :) But either way, iPod's should be supported well enough under linux. On 2/28/06, John Vetterli wrote: > > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Colin McGregor wrote: > > The VAST majority of USB MP3 players are seen as USB > > external drives to Linux. The magic question to ask > > the sales munchkins is "Do I need a driver program to > > make this work with Windows 2000?". There was > > strangeness with Windows 98 and external USB drives, > > so if there is a Windows 98 driver disk, no problem. > > If no driver is required for Windows 2000 you know the > > device will look/act just like an external memory key > > or external hard drive. The reverse is obvious, if a > > driver disk is required for use with Windows 2000 (and > > there are a small number of such devices out there), > > run, don't walk away. > > Microsoft has come out with their own "Media Transfer Protocol". > Since I suspect that a) many Mp3 players manufactured nowadays > will use this protocol instead of USB mass storage, and > b) Windows 2000 supports this protocol out of the box, I'm not > so sure that the lack of a win2000 driver means that the player > is linux-friendly. > > Wikipedia entry for Media Transfer Protocol: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol > > JV > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 07:39:53 2006 From: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org (Scott C. Ripley) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:39:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: Looking for 2 linux apps In-Reply-To: <20060228060856.GA1261-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20060228060856.GA1261@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: hey Walter, > 1) Given a a text file with latitude+longitude and some numbers, I want > to plot the numbers on a map of Canada. Something lightweight please, > not the complexity of GRASS or maps.google.com i found these to be handy: http://cpan.uwinnipeg.ca/module/Image::WorldMap http://cpan.uwinnipeg.ca/module/Image::Maps::Plot::FromLatLong Scott On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Walter Dnes wrote: > 1) Given a a text file with latitude+longitude and some numbers, I want > to plot the numbers on a map of Canada. Something lightweight please, > not the complexity of GRASS or maps.google.com > > 2) I want to do some basic editing on a midi music file. > > I can RTFM, but reading the man page requires having the app > installed, which assumes that you know which app to use in the first > place. > > -- Scott C. Ripley phone: (416)738-6357 www: http://www.scottripley.com email: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Secure Your E-Mail! http://www.mysecuremail.com/javascrypt/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 19:41:01 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:41:01 +0000 Subject: MP3 Players In-Reply-To: References: <20060228115351.18926.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 2/28/06, Michael MacLeod wrote: > With regards to the iPod, it appears as a regular firewire or usb external > drive (newer iPod models don't have firewire, they're usb 2.0 only). You can > copy files to the iPod just like any other external media, however, you > can't just play them on the iPod. When you copy music to an iPod from > iTunes, it updates an xml file on the iPod, which is where the play count > and star ratings and stuff are also stored for each track, and how iTunes > syncs this information up between your main library and your iPod. > I believe Rhythmbox can read and write this xml file. At least it could when > I was doing this research a little under two years ago. I ended up > purchasing a powerbook g4 as well as a ipod, so the whole issue became moot > for me :) > But either way, iPod's should be supported well enough under linux. What is on the iPod is NOT an XML document; it is some sort of binary database. (Sort of like DBM.) It is fairly easily mapped onto an XML document, so there are several apps that can handle that. You can also look up an application called "gnupod"; that knows how to manipulate the iPod database file. -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 19:45:09 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:45:09 -0500 Subject: Key signing / web of trust Was: spellcheck In-Reply-To: References: <61e9e2b10602280933p3165e94ake74304530d32885@mail.gmail.com> <20060228174637.GA7360@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <200602281325.47517.interlug@weait.net> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0602281145s6ab851a3sefdf1ae4b142b915@mail.gmail.com> On 2/28/06, Christopher Browne wrote: > On 2/28/06, interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > On Tuesday 28 February 2006 12:46, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > > [spell check stuff on his signed message.] > > > > Logical left turn. > > > > A few posters are signing their posts regularly. I think that's cool. Does > > TLUG have regular key signing events? It would be great to have William's > > key on my key ring to verify his post. It would be even better if that key, > > and the others would also extend our webs of trust. > > Several times we have tried setting this up; I think I have signed a > total of two peoples' keys, and I don't think I have ever actually had > my key signed by anyone as a result... > > I think it would be a nice thing indeed to set up a key signing; this > would require that people actually follow through and do it... I'd be interested. Back in '04 I remember this came up, but IIRC didn't work out very well. Perhaps a Wiki entry (and a mailing list reminder or two) a couple months before the actual event date might collect enough interested parties to make it worthwhile? An alternate idea might be to make signing available at the LWNW 2k6 GTALUG booth? -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 07:46:44 2006 From: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org (Scott C. Ripley) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:46:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: Looking for 2 linux apps In-Reply-To: <20060228060856.GA1261-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20060228060856.GA1261@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: > 1) Given a a text file with latitude+longitude and some numbers, I want > to plot the numbers on a map of Canada. Something lightweight please, > not the complexity of GRASS or maps.google.com the bottom two images on: http://www.deucaliontechnologies.com/site/showPage.cgi?page=scottripley/gps_location/index.html used those perl modules... (from previous message) Scott On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Walter Dnes wrote: > 1) Given a a text file with latitude+longitude and some numbers, I want > to plot the numbers on a map of Canada. Something lightweight please, > not the complexity of GRASS or maps.google.com > > 2) I want to do some basic editing on a midi music file. > > I can RTFM, but reading the man page requires having the app > installed, which assumes that you know which app to use in the first > place. > > -- Scott C. Ripley phone: (416)738-6357 www: http://www.scottripley.com email: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Secure Your E-Mail! http://www.mysecuremail.com/javascrypt/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 20:32:32 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:32:32 -0500 Subject: spellcheck in openoffice not working In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10602281045od362528l32bb34a92785f121-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10602280933p3165e94ake74304530d32885@mail.gmail.com> <200602281318.09158.interlug@weait.net> <61e9e2b10602281045od362528l32bb34a92785f121@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060228203232.GA7730@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 01:45:16PM -0500, Daniel Armstrong wrote: >Still not working. Steps taken so far: > >1/ Checked the default "languages for documents"... indeed, I was >missing the little 'ABC' checkmark icon, so I... > >2/ Downloaded the Canadian English dictionary from the site you >indicated, unzipped, and moved the files into >/usr/share/myspell/dicts/ where the other dictionaries reside. > >3/ Ran 'update-openoffice-dicts' as root, it returns a message of >updating the dictionary list, but when I check >/etc/openoffice/dictionary.lst, nothing has changed. > >How do I get OpenOffice to recognize there is a Canadian dictionary now present? I've only looked in Debian testing, but there isn't anything for the Canadian dictionary. I use the UK dictionary, and so the programs that I install are these: myspell-dictionary-en-gb openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-gb openoffice.org2-thesaurus-en-gb openoffice.org-help-en-gb-2.0.1 openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb Once those are installed I didn't have to do anything else - other than set the languages in the menu, as myself and others have suggested. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 20:37:43 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:37:43 -0500 Subject: MP3 Players In-Reply-To: <4403BB56.5020103-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4403BB56.5020103@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0602281237p2cb9492dw1b77a4cf782afacd@mail.gmail.com> On 2/27/06, John Moniz wrote: > My daughter is hoping for an MP3 player for her birthday. I just checked > the Sony line at their store and started losing interest in the Sony > products when the salesman insisted I was required to use the Sony PC > software to load music to the player (it compresses the songs even > further, supposedly). I couldn't get past the point with him that I was > not going to use his proprietary software. > > From people's experiences, do any of the USB MP3 players get recognized > as a drive in Linux so I can do a simple MP3 file transfer? Are there > any players known to be trouble with Linux? I've happily used the Nexxtech line of mp3-player-slash-usb-keys. Not as fancy as iPod's or other mp3 players, but they're fairly decent for a low-cost solution. I've used both the 64Mb and 128Mb keys in this family. http://tinyurl.com/oxn8p (The 64Mb key I've used is the first one shown on this page) -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 20:52:49 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:52:49 -0500 Subject: Key signing / web of trust Was: spellcheck In-Reply-To: <200602281325.47517.interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10602280933p3165e94ake74304530d32885@mail.gmail.com> <20060228174637.GA7360@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <200602281325.47517.interlug@weait.net> Message-ID: <20060228205249.GB7730@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 01:25:47PM -0500, interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org wrote: >On Tuesday 28 February 2006 12:46, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >[spell check stuff on his signed message.] > >Logical left turn. Nice turn signal :-) >A few posters are signing their posts regularly. I think that's cool. Does >TLUG have regular key signing events? It would be great to have William's >key on my key ring to verify his post. It would be even better if that key, >and the others would also extend our webs of trust. I would be happy to sign keys, and have mine signed, but the TLUG meetings are at an impossible time for me, so I don't get much chance at that venue. That said, I should bring my key for signing to the Linuxcaffe - I'm sure people there, who know me, would sign my key, and the cafe could act as an on-going key signing party with on-site caffeine :-) -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here are some devices that works with Linux: (1) IAudio (USB mass storage, Ogg Vorbis up to q 10): http://eng.iaudio.com/ (2) Samsung (USB mass storage, Ogg Vorbis up to q 10): http://www.samsung.com/ (3) MPIO (USB mass storage, Ogg Vorbis up to Q 10): http://www.mpio.com/ (4) Creative Zen (5) Apple IPod Although I have a MPIO, the IAudio is known for its sound quality. Please stay away from IRiver, they have started using the dreaded media protocol from Microsoft. Charles -- DPRINTK("doing direct send\n"); /* @@@ well, this doesn't work anyway */ linux-2.6.6/drivers/atm/eni.c -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 22:36:25 2006 From: zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:36:25 +0000 Subject: Key signing / web of trust Was: spellcheck In-Reply-To: <20060228205249.GB7730-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10602280933p3165e94ake74304530d32885@mail.gmail.com> <20060228174637.GA7360@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <200602281325.47517.interlug@weait.net> <20060228205249.GB7730@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4404D069.3060304@zen.co.uk> Running the odd beginners guide to key signing would also be useful perhaps at linuxcafee, as the venue, would not have to be that often, but would encourage more people get keys and use them I guess. I need to get my key sorted out, but it's always useful to have someone on hand to help when you are just starting out on this. Paul > >I would be happy to sign keys, and have mine signed, but the TLUG >meetings are at an impossible time for me, so I don't get much chance at >that venue. That said, I should bring my key for signing to the >Linuxcaffe - I'm sure people there, who know me, would sign my key, and >the cafe could act as an on-going key signing party with on-site >caffeine :-) > > -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.openoffice.org http://www.linux.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 22:52:21 2006 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:52:21 +0200 (IST) Subject: Powerpoint Bloat In-Reply-To: <200602281127.28967.interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <50930.207.188.65.194.1141098832.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4404653B.2030103@telly.org> <50163.207.188.65.194.1141143266.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <200602281127.28967.interlug@weait.net> Message-ID: > The genericness of XML allows us to apply DTDs to non-web documents as well. > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > '--- That is _SO_ a word. Lousy spell checker. ;-) ubiquitousness ? ;-) Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 23:18:41 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:18:41 +0000 Subject: Key signing / web of trust Was: spellcheck In-Reply-To: <4404D069.3060304-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10602280933p3165e94ake74304530d32885@mail.gmail.com> <20060228174637.GA7360@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <200602281325.47517.interlug@weait.net> <20060228205249.GB7730@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4404D069.3060304@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: On 2/28/06, Paul Sutton wrote: > Running the odd beginners guide to key signing would also be useful > perhaps at linuxcafee, as the venue, would not have to be that often, > but would encourage more people get keys and use them I guess. I need to > get my key sorted out, but it's always useful to have someone on hand to > help when you are just starting out on this. LinuxCafe strikes me as a pretty good place for this, particularly as there might be a few "hangers out" that could get accustomed to doing this... There is plenty of documentation on how to do key signing "parties;" people just don't seem to be that interested in going through the (relatively nominal) bits of formalism. I think they have successfully recognized that the amount of "trust" truly due to a "web of trust" is fairly limited... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 23:42:24 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:42:24 -0500 Subject: Key signing / web of trust Was: spellcheck In-Reply-To: <20060228205249.GB7730-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10602280933p3165e94ake74304530d32885@mail.gmail.com> <200602281325.47517.interlug@weait.net> <20060228205249.GB7730@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200602281842.24757.interlug@weait.net> On Tuesday 28 February 2006 15:52, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > That said, I should bring my key for signing to the > Linuxcaffe - I'm sure people there, who know me, would sign my key, and > the cafe could act as an on-going key signing party with on-site > caffeine :-) Top notch idea. In an hour I will have convinced myself that I suggested this first. ;-) I hope that David and / or his staff is willing to participate in this. (And I have noticed at least one other LUG-regular during most of my visits to Linuxcaffe. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 28 23:46:45 2006 From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:46:45 -0500 Subject: Key signing / web of trust Was: spellcheck In-Reply-To: <4404D069.3060304-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10602280933p3165e94ake74304530d32885@mail.gmail.com> <20060228205249.GB7730@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4404D069.3060304@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <200602281846.45696.interlug@weait.net> On Tuesday 28 February 2006 17:36, Paul Sutton wrote: > Running the odd beginners guide to key signing would also be useful > perhaps at linuxcafee, as the venue, would not have to be that often, > but would encourage more people get keys and use them I guess. I need to > get my key sorted out, but it's always useful to have someone on hand to > help when you are just starting out on this. From my notes for KWLUG last year. http://www.dyoh.com/?q=node/view/10 I keep my key info and fingerprint on the back of calling cards. Kind of like a personal business card with my name and number. Print 'em up on OOo and keep a dozen of them in your laptop bag and you're always ready for a signing. Saves on the typos and writers cramp when you have to transcribe your 40 byte fingerprint, too. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml