From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 00:02:50 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:02:50 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <1164929903.3931.60.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <20061130215830.GA27009@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <1164929903.3931.60.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <1164931370.3563.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 18:38 -0500, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > I'm not anti $100 er $150....er $250....??? $350 laptop for developing > countries. Education is important especially to stop disease, promote > healthy lifestyles. It seems to me to be a strange debate. We're going > to give 21st century technology to countries still in the 19th century?? I don't expect any country will start by giving these to the most backwards of their population. It will filter into cities, then towns and villages. These centres are already touched by the 20th century. > I like gizmos too. Me too and I'd like to have one just to play with it for a little while. > > > > As a byproduct, I hope that it helps protect at-risk populations from > > being silenced because no one can hear them scream. It is a lot harder > > to ethnically cleanse a population when they are in constant > > communication with the international community. The wireless mesh > > networks can route around telco roadblocks very effectively. Think about the charitable organizations that will be able to communicate to these people. Want a better pump for irrigation? Here's a plan using parts common to the third world. How about health information, crop information. I see this as a way to get the information people need to survive and improve their lives. Sadly it may also come with "Westernization". Fast food, sex, violence, advertising, parasitic cults, etc, may be the virus that the Internet brings to these civilizations. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org ph: 518-883-1172 x5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware fx: 519-883-8533 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 00:18:25 2006 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:18:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <1164928977.3931.52.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: >> > As I said earlier charity is a noble undertaking but we need to look > after our countries needs. Charity begins at home. I agree, but: Is home the bulding you live in? Is home the block you live on? Is home municipality you live in? Is it the country? The continent? For me, home is the planet I live on. -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 00:48:45 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 00:48:45 +0000 Subject: Atomic OS / Psema4 Updates (Was:PegaSoft - Atomic OS - Tomorrow) Message-ID: <99a6c38f0611301648w53d7f8e3m7093b7a6ba3c34a3@mail.gmail.com> On 11/15/06, Ken Burtch wrote: > The next PegaSoft dinner meeting is > > Date: Thursday, November 16, 2006 at 7:00 pm. > Location: Linux Caffe > Topic: Atomic OS > > Scott Elcomb will be presenting a talk on the Atomic OS project. Using a > web browser, Atomic OS emulates/provides standard operating system > features including a command-line shell, interpreter, filesystem, > database access and GUI services. > > Plus the usual open forum on Linux news, projects and problems. > Attendance is free. Send a confirmation to Ken Burtch > (http://www.pegasoft.ca/people.html) to reserve your seat. > > For more information about PegaSoft events, visit > http://www.pegasoft.ca/events.html. Join our low-volume mailing list at > http://www.pegasoft.ca/mailing_lists.html. Unfortunately, a number of not-so-good things happened around the time this email was sent... including the fact that it didn't get delivered to the TLUG mailing list in time. We're not sure just how big an impact that was, but all told 3 people were there for the talk. I've given a couple presentations for TLUG (neither with a projector), and a lightning talk for TPM. TASSQ has offered an opportunity to do a talk as well, but I'm still learning how to give presentations so I've been putting that one off. In a rather painful turn of events, about 6 hours after I left Linuxcaffe, my brother was in a fatal car accident on the 403[1]. I haven't really done anything since then, so I hope folks will forgive my absence. In any event, the slides I prepared for the PegaSoft Canada meeting this month can be found at http://atomos.sourceforge.net/presentations/nov2006/pegasoft.html This Tuesday, Line56.com [2] listed Atomic OS as one of the Top 10 Free Web 2.0 Apps available from SourceForge. That's a bonus and certainly helped bring up this months stats for the project. [1] http://tinyurl.com/ylkqjh ( http://www.900chml.com/news/news_local.cfm?cat=7428327912&rem=52576&red=80132723aPBIny&wids=410&gi=1&gm=news_local.cfm ) [2] http://www.line56.com/articles/default.asp?ArticleID=8038 -- Scott Elcomb http://atomos.sourceforge.net/ http://search.cpan.org/~selcomb/SAL-3.03/ http://psema4.googlepages.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 01:11:22 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:11:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: What to do with .flv files? In-Reply-To: References: <45651771.80906@telly.org> <61e9e2b10611231257k7b7b44c0pa06791bf3bac8e01@mail.gmail.com> <20061128011000.GB5450@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: | From: Simon | I | forgot that doing */Cache would handle everything properly - the best | thing would be for dir in */Cache; do . Actually you want "*/Cache/.". That ensures that you only match searchable directories. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 02:04:50 2006 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:04:50 -0500 Subject: php and me don't get alone... help? In-Reply-To: <200611301840.33758.softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <456E506E.9000706@alteeve.com> <456F0D86.4010500@alteeve.com> <200611301840.33758.softquake@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611302104.53053.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Thursday 30 November 2006 18:40, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > On Thursday 30 November 2006 11:57, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > > On Wednesday 29 November 2006 22:30, Madison Kelly wrote: > > >> Is this why PHP/MySQL are so popular together? > > > > > > I gave up looong time ago and when I install apache (and php, > > > mysql, postgres, etc) I do that by compiling from sources. It > > > is really simple to do and you are free. I would never trust > > > installing these things from rpm or another apt-get. > > > > > > zb. > > > > That's an unfortunate statement, but understandable. You'd think > > something as popular as PHP would have support for a DB server > > like PostgreSQL. Is there any public rationale for such poor > > support? I've never had trouble with Perl + PostgreSQL/MySQL and > > can't fathom why PHP would. Oh well... > > The meaning of my message was not that PHP does not offer postgres > support, as it is obviously clear by now from this thread. > > I wanted to point out that using rpm's etc is seldom the best way > of installing and configuring these beasts. Why? PHP offers a lot > of optional libraries. I am personally used to play with many, just > for fun or purpose. And it is highly unlikely to find an rpm that > would allow me to use just these libraries that I need. Besides, > things change from distribution to distribution, from one php > release version to another. > > Hence, I become independent of rpm's to avoid problems and > confusion. I keep notes about every new installation of apache > (with PHP, etc) I do and, believe me or not, after a few tens of > times at least i did installation, I do not need to use these notes > much ;) But after already making installation once, properly, one > knows how to compile all this stuff and not worry about finding a > proper rpm. Why not rebuild the RPM instead? I've had to rebuild the Postfix RPM before to support PostgreSQL for authentication and it was trivially easy. I didn't have to pollute my system with stuff that is outside the package manager's control. There are few exceptions to the general rule of always installing things using the native package format of the distro for me and Zope/Plone are two of them. I've found that the distro packages for both are usually quite bad and none that I've seen create a ZEO server and ZEO client by default so I end up doing that manually anyway. I'm trying Debian Etch on a few servers so learning how to create Debian packages is on the agenda. I can then create my own packages that use the post install scripts to create the ZEO server and ZEO client and create separate init scripts for the two. One annoyance with Debian I've found is that very few of the init scripts support the "status" option so I can't do something like: service apache2 status like I can on an RPM based system. The only package I've found that supports the "status" option so far is PostgreSQL. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 02:20:13 2006 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:20:13 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe announce; New2Ubuntu workshop this Saturday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From: David J Patrick Date: 30-Nov-2006 09:37 Subject: linuxcaffe announce; New2Ubuntu workshop this Saturday To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Dave Sullivan will be your host, once again, for another workshop geared to new users of linux and ubuntu. If you have recently installed ubuntu, or are considering it, or you know someone who wants to learn more about the basic stuff, sign up for this free workshop, and join us this Saturday, at linuxcaffe, 326 Harbord St, Toronto ON djp spread the word -- djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org www.linuxcaffe.ca geek chic and caffe cachet 326 Harbord Street, Toronto, M6G 3A5, (416) 534-2116 -- djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org www.linuxcaffe.ca geek chic and caffe cachet 326 Harbord Street, Toronto, M6G 3A5, (416) 534-2116 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 03:41:06 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:41:06 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <1164944466.3931.63.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Great!! Then join the military and get to Iraq/Afghanistan and do your duty so I don't have to compete with you here for a computer job. On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 19:18 -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > >> > > As I said earlier charity is a noble undertaking but we need to look > > after our countries needs. Charity begins at home. > > I agree, but: > > Is home the bulding you live in? > Is home the block you live on? > Is home municipality you live in? > Is it the country? The continent? > > For me, home is the planet I live on. > -- "Replacing desktops one PC at a time" http://www.TorontoNUI.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 03:54:03 2006 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:54:03 -0500 Subject: php and me don't get alone... help? In-Reply-To: <200611302104.53053.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <456E506E.9000706@alteeve.com> <200611301840.33758.softquake@gmail.com> <200611302104.53053.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <200611302254.03975.softquake@gmail.com> On Thursday 30 November 2006 21:04, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > I wanted to point out that using rpm's etc is seldom the best way > > of installing and configuring these beasts. Why? PHP offers a lot > > of optional libraries. I am personally used to play with many, just > > for fun or purpose. And it is highly unlikely to find an rpm that > > would allow me to use just these libraries that I need. Besides, > > things change from distribution to distribution, from one php > > release version to another. > > > > Hence, I become independent of rpm's to avoid problems and > > confusion. I keep notes about every new installation of apache > > (with PHP, etc) I do and, believe me or not, after a few tens of > > times at least i did installation, I do not need to use these notes > > much ;) But after already making installation once, properly, one > > knows how to compile all this stuff and not worry about finding a > > proper rpm. > > Why not rebuild the RPM instead? I've had to rebuild the Postfix RPM > before to support PostgreSQL for authentication and it was trivially > easy. I didn't have to pollute my system with stuff that is outside > the package manager's control. A very good point. I mean: of comparable quality as mine ;) I am saying: learn to compile. You argue: learn to build your own rpm. As for me: educative (i did not try to build my own rpm, so far) zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 03:56:17 2006 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:56:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <1164944466.3931.63.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164944466.3931.63.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > Great!! Then join the military and get to Iraq/Afghanistan and do your > duty so I don't have to compete with you here for a computer job. If I go to Iraq or Afghanistan it will be to help distribute cheap laptops and teach their use, not to fight. > On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 19:18 -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: >> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: >>>> >>> As I said earlier charity is a noble undertaking but we need to look >>> after our countries needs. Charity begins at home. >> >> I agree, but: >> >> Is home the bulding you live in? >> Is home the block you live on? >> Is home municipality you live in? >> Is it the country? The continent? >> >> For me, home is the planet I live on. >> > -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 04:00:39 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 04:00:39 +0000 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <1164944466.3931.63.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164944466.3931.63.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0611302000q5630c622va22f5b265bfe3fc1@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/06, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > Great!! Then join the military and get to Iraq/Afghanistan and do your > duty so I don't have to compete with you here for a computer job. > > On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 19:18 -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > >> > > > As I said earlier charity is a noble undertaking but we need to look > > > after our countries needs. Charity begins at home. > > > > I agree, but: > > > > Is home the bulding you live in? > > Is home the block you live on? > > Is home municipality you live in? > > Is it the country? The continent? > > > > For me, home is the planet I live on. For me, home is where life is. I'm probably a little opinionated right now, but check it out. I've got the right to be. ( IMHO, and fer the young'uns ;P ) Life changes on a dime sometimes. How we deal with it determines a good-deal about who we are as people I would think. To be completely honest, I believe your both right and wrong: Right: Crayon: (Uhmm?) Techie: Damn -- How many colors of Crayon do I have to choose from? Rap: Check yourself. Wrong: Crayon: Woops. Techie: A job is good - but is it real? Rap: (Uhmm - lotsa ideas here. Even metal TBS. ;-) -- Scott Elcomb http://atomos.sourceforge.net/ http://search.cpan.org/~selcomb/SAL-3.03/ http://psema4.googlepages.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 04:12:22 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 04:12:22 +0000 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0611302000q5630c622va22f5b265bfe3fc1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164944466.3931.63.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <99a6c38f0611302000q5630c622va22f5b265bfe3fc1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0611302012t36d44cefgca7ad3f69cc6074d@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/06, Scott Elcomb wrote: [...] > To be completely honest, I believe your both right and wrong: > > Right: > Crayon: (Uhmm?) > Techie: Damn -- How many colors of Crayon do I have to choose from? > Rap: Check yourself. My apologies to anyone who may have been offended. I just realized this combination of descriptions might offend some: the comment about "Check yourself" has absolutely no relation to skin color, ethnic origin, sex, creed, or any other GD politically-correct terms. It just refers to whether or not one can feel confident in being a decent GDHB! > Wrong: > Crayon: Woops. > Techie: A job is good - but is it real? > Rap: (Uhmm - lotsa ideas here. Even metal TBS. ;-) -- Scott Elcomb http://atomos.sourceforge.net/ http://search.cpan.org/~selcomb/SAL-3.03/ http://psema4.googlepages.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 04:18:04 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:18:04 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0611302012t36d44cefgca7ad3f69cc6074d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164944466.3931.63.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <99a6c38f0611302000q5630c622va22f5b265bfe3fc1@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f0611302012t36d44cefgca7ad3f69cc6074d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1164946685.3931.66.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Cool man chill... On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 04:12 +0000, Scott Elcomb wrote: ????WTFWT???? > On 12/1/06, Scott Elcomb wrote: > [...] > > To be completely honest, I believe your both right and wrong: > > > > Right: > > Crayon: (Uhmm?) > > Techie: Damn -- How many colors of Crayon do I have to choose from? > > Rap: Check yourself. > > My apologies to anyone who may have been offended. I just realized > this combination of descriptions might offend some: the comment about > "Check yourself" has absolutely no relation to skin color, ethnic > origin, sex, creed, or any other GD politically-correct terms. It > just refers to whether or not one can feel confident in being a decent > GDHB! > > > Wrong: > > Crayon: Woops. > > Techie: A job is good - but is it real? > > Rap: (Uhmm - lotsa ideas here. Even metal TBS. ;-) > -- "Replacing desktops one PC at a time" http://www.TorontoNUI.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 04:28:47 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 04:28:47 +0000 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <1164946685.3931.66.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164944466.3931.63.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <99a6c38f0611302000q5630c622va22f5b265bfe3fc1@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f0611302012t36d44cefgca7ad3f69cc6074d@mail.gmail.com> <1164946685.3931.66.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0611302028l75beb4efp913fa06ce43a62af@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/06, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > Cool man chill... > > On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 04:12 +0000, Scott Elcomb wrote: > > ????WTFWT???? I'm just covering my bases like any other business-person would. The difference is I'm quite serious about all the politically correct stuff. My biggest hope for OLPC is that it will encourage communications between communities-that-need-help and those communities-that-can-provide-help. Maybe it's a pipe dream, maybe not. Should I bet? > > > > Right: > > > Crayon: (Uhmm?) > > > Techie: Damn -- How many colors of Crayon do I have to choose from? > > > Rap: Check yourself. > > > > {explanation} > > > > > Wrong: > > > Crayon: Woops. > > > Techie: A job is good - but is it real? > > > Rap: (Uhmm - lotsa ideas here. Even metal TBS. ;-) -- Scott Elcomb http://atomos.sourceforge.net/ http://search.cpan.org/~selcomb/SAL-3.03/ http://psema4.googlepages.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 04:39:05 2006 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:39:05 -0500 Subject: Fwd: metaLUG announce; metalug.com ALPHA is up ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David J Patrick Date: 30-Nov-2006 23:38 Subject: metaLUG announce; metalug.com ALPHA is up ! To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community alright, so it's a bit light on content, functionality, features, or navigation, but it's UP ! so sign up, have a poke around, and then savage away, in the comments.! thanks to Jamon and Dave Sutherland for going from a sketch on a napkin, to a sketch on the web. djp -- djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org www.linuxcaffe.ca geek chic and caffe cachet 326 Harbord Street, Toronto, M6G 3A5, (416) 534-2116 -- djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org www.linuxcaffe.ca geek chic and caffe cachet 326 Harbord Street, Toronto, M6G 3A5, (416) 534-2116 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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OLPC is a great ideal "for the world's poorest children living in its most remote environments". If they can make it work all the more power to them. I can't help but see a vision in my mind of some unintended slime using the device for some unintended purpose... On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 04:28 +0000, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 12/1/06, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > Cool man chill... > > > > On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 04:12 +0000, Scott Elcomb wrote: > > > > ????WTFWT???? > > I'm just covering my bases like any other business-person would. The > difference is I'm quite serious about all the politically correct > stuff. > > My biggest hope for OLPC is that it will encourage communications > between communities-that-need-help and those > communities-that-can-provide-help. > > Maybe it's a pipe dream, maybe not. Should I bet? > > > > > > > Right: > > > > Crayon: (Uhmm?) > > > > Techie: Damn -- How many colors of Crayon do I have to choose from? > > > > Rap: Check yourself. > > > > > > {explanation} > > > > > > > Wrong: > > > > Crayon: Woops. > > > > Techie: A job is good - but is it real? > > > > Rap: (Uhmm - lotsa ideas here. Even metal TBS. ;-) > -- "Replacing desktops one PC at a time" http://www.TorontoNUI.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 04:46:33 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 04:46:33 +0000 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <1164947979.3931.73.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164944466.3931.63.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <99a6c38f0611302000q5630c622va22f5b265bfe3fc1@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f0611302012t36d44cefgca7ad3f69cc6074d@mail.gmail.com> <1164946685.3931.66.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <99a6c38f0611302028l75beb4efp913fa06ce43a62af@mail.gmail.com> <1164947979.3931.73.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0611302046u7d51eefcje548b4c78b2efc9c@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/06, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > [...] I > can't help but see a vision in my mind of some unintended slime using > the device for some unintended purpose... Welcome to Daath. ;-) -- Scott Elcomb http://atomos.sourceforge.net/ http://search.cpan.org/~selcomb/SAL-3.03/ http://psema4.googlepages.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 05:31:43 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 00:31:43 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <1164931370.3563.67.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <20061130215830.GA27009@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <1164929903.3931.60.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164931370.3563.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20061201053143.GA30347@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 07:02:50PM -0500, John Van Ostrand wrote: >I see this as a way to get the information people need to survive and >improve their lives. > >Sadly it may also come with "Westernization". Fast food, sex, violence, >advertising, parasitic cults, etc, may be the virus that the Internet >brings to these civilizations. I'm pretty sure they have sex now - in fact, that's a problem in itself, according to organizations like the Stephen Lewis Foundation or the WHO. As for violence, they have that in spades in most of the poor countries, and I'm sure they'd be very happy to watch it on TV rather than in their homes and communities. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 05:45:07 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 00:45:07 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <1164928977.3931.52.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: On 11/30/06, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 16:56 -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > > North America has so many 'obsolete' computers it seems a waste to send them to China, etc. to be broken down for scrap when they could be used > > > in developing countries. $150 laptop??? How about an obsolete PIII for $25.00 running Linux and a $10.00 obsolete monitor. > > Add the cost to pack and ship that large, heavy PC and bulky, fragile > > monitor (for which the original packaging almost certainly doesn't > > exist), and the price balloons pretty quickly. > > > Yet the PC's are still shipped overseas as we speak to be broken down > into reusable scrap. When shipped in *that* form, they require no "tender loving care;" they need only throw them at a bin, because nobody cares if the computers survive the trip intact. It shouldn't take pointing out that expecting a shipment of computers to survive a trip overseas will require considerable packing effort and cost. Common sense should make that obvious. > > > many of the people in non-war torn countries are quite content not to have a McDonalds at every third street corner. They value their way of life. > > And yet ... there they are, buying Big Macs. > > Some do many don't. But the point is that McDonalds has been viable in such countries, as have been various other sorts of franchises, demonstrating their economic importance and power. > So what you are advocating is we build (at our expense and expertise) a > better machine for developing countries to use than what we have > available for ourselves?? That makes a lot of sense. Maybe we can send > them superior nuclear technology too. Evidently you haven't examined the specifications of the OLPC. It's only a "better" machine based on metrics that assume local infrastructure involves regular power losses. > > The OLPC draws less than five watts per hour, a small fraction of what a > > conventional laptop requires (let alone a big PC and screen). It can > > thus be self-powered (the hand crank and foot pedal were rejected in > > favour of something resembling a salad spinner). Its power and network > > systems were designed for areas without much existing electrical or > > communucations infrastructure. And it can probably tolerate drops and > > spills better than your average laptop. > > > > - Evan > > > As I said earlier charity is a noble undertaking but we need to look > after our countries needs. Charity begins at home. Nonsense. Charity begins with those that have the wherewithal to be charitable. Starving Africans aren't in any position to "begin" charitable programs. In any case, why should you care what people at some foreign charitable foundation might choose to do? The organizations behind the OLPC program are throwing *American* money at the matter; if "charity begins at home," well, that's not "home." -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 05:56:04 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 00:56:04 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <1164929903.3931.60.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <20061130215830.GA27009@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <1164929903.3931.60.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: On 11/30/06, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > I'm not anti $100 er $150....er $250....??? $350 laptop for developing > countries. You evidently had me fooled. > Education is important especially to stop disease, promote > healthy lifestyles. It seems to me to be a strange debate. We're going > to give 21st century technology to countries still in the 19th century?? Why should donors feel obliged to spend *MORE* in order to push elderly/inferior technology to recipients? By the time you make an old 486 system usable, in Africa, you'll have spent *easily* as much on preparation and handling as an OLPC would have cost. And the 486 will be *enormously* more expensive and difficult to deploy reliably than the OLPC. After all, the 486 has a power supply consuming on the order of 50 times as much power as the OLPC, which ignores the need to ship (and power) even more fragile monitors. And "oops," the 486 boxes will fall over every time there's a power outage. (Which happens frequently in such places.) -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 14:20:59 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 09:20:59 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <1164982860.3917.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 00:45 -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > When shipped in *that* form, they require no "tender loving care;" > they need only throw them at a bin, because nobody cares if the > computers survive the trip intact. I don't agree. I've been in and around shipping for decades. You don't know what you're talking about. > It shouldn't take pointing out that expecting a shipment of computers > to survive a trip overseas will require considerable packing effort > and cost. Common sense should make that obvious. > > But the point is that McDonalds has been viable in such countries, as > have been various other sorts of franchises, demonstrating their > economic importance and power. > McD's is a short term benefit and a long term liability...like Walmart. Those companies grow on the goodwill of people and government, create huge profits for their owners while destroying small business. > Evidently you haven't examined the specifications of the OLPC. It's > only a "better" machine based on metrics that assume local > infrastructure involves regular power losses. > I'm old enough to have learned to read using books. What wrong with books? They can be read using a candle. > > > The OLPC draws less than five watts per hour, a small fraction of what a > > > conventional laptop requires (let alone a big PC and screen). It can > > > thus be self-powered (the hand crank and foot pedal were rejected in > > > favour of something resembling a salad spinner). Its power and network > > > systems were designed for areas without much existing electrical or > > > communucations infrastructure. And it can probably tolerate drops and > > > spills better than your average laptop. > > > > > > - Evan > > > > > As I said earlier charity is a noble undertaking but we need to look > > after our countries needs. Charity begins at home. > > Nonsense. Charity begins with those that have the wherewithal to be charitable. > > Starving Africans aren't in any position to "begin" charitable programs. Now we're getting somewhere. Why aren't they in any position to begin charitable programs? The reason is western business people intrude on their lives and impose western lifestyle on their well established tribal lifestyles which have been passed down through the generations. Westerners essentially create the problem then sell them the solution. > In any case, why should you care what people at some foreign What do care? I have an opinion just as you do... > charitable foundation might choose to do? The organizations behind > the OLPC program are throwing *American* money at the matter; if > "charity begins at home," well, that's not "home." -- "Replacing desktops one PC at a time" http://www.TorontoNUI.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 14:30:22 2006 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:30:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <1164982860.3917.8.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164982860.3917.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 00:45 -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > >> When shipped in *that* form, they require no "tender loving care;" >> they need only throw them at a bin, because nobody cares if the >> computers survive the trip intact. > > I don't agree. I've been in and around shipping for decades. You don't > know what you're talking about. Are you seriously suggesting that computer equipment shipped for scrap is packaged with the same care as computers intended for use? Has your shipping experience included sending computers for scrap? ... >> Evidently you haven't examined the specifications of the OLPC. It's >> only a "better" machine based on metrics that assume local >> infrastructure involves regular power losses. >> > I'm old enough to have learned to read using books. What wrong with > books? They can be read using a candle. How many books can you buy for the price of an OLPC machine? Probably not enough to see a student through the first grade. How many newspapers? Less than a year's worth. Etc.... -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 15:12:29 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:12:29 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164982860.3917.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <1164985949.3917.16.camel@spot1.localhost.com> On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 09:30 -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > > On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 00:45 -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > > > >> When shipped in *that* form, they require no "tender loving care;" > >> they need only throw them at a bin, because nobody cares if the > >> computers survive the trip intact. > > > > I don't agree. I've been in and around shipping for decades. You don't > > know what you're talking about. > > Are you seriously suggesting that computer equipment shipped for > scrap is packaged with the same care as computers intended for use? > > Has your shipping experience included sending computers for scrap? > Obviously we don't want PC's piled into a dumpster. I've been to many a logistics/warehouse handling reclaimed PC's not intended for scrap and if they are carefully stacked in skids using soft foam, bubble wrap and plastic film the shock they experience is no more that if they were packed individually in a box with Styrofoam. > ... > >> Evidently you haven't examined the specifications of the OLPC. It's > >> only a "better" machine based on metrics that assume local > >> infrastructure involves regular power losses. > >> > > I'm old enough to have learned to read using books. What wrong with > > books? They can be read using a candle. > > How many books can you buy for the price of an OLPC machine? > Probably not enough to see a student through the first grade. > > How many newspapers? Less than a year's worth. ??? I don't know what you mean?? Books are now undervalued and dirt cheap. They can be transmitted in electronic form, printed, recycled or even burned ;) > > Etc.... > -- "Replacing desktops one PC at a time" http://www.TorontoNUI.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 15:29:22 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:29:22 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <1164985949.3917.16.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164982860.3917.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164985949.3917.16.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: How are you supposed to transmit books in electronic form without computers on the other end to receive them? I find your attitude to be very shortsighted, especially as a poster on a LUG mailing list. Even from a selfish perspective, the OLPC project is going to provide a quick increase in the Linux user base, and the new code written for the machines is going to trickle to the rest of out machines where useful ( there IS new tech being developed for the machines, such as user-friendly sandboxing tools ). It's a nice slap in the face for Microsoft when variious countries recognize that computer literacy isn't just knowing how to use Windows. I just hope they add a URL bar to the browser UI before they ship anything. On 12/1/06, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 09:30 -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 00:45 -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > > > > > >> When shipped in *that* form, they require no "tender loving care;" > > >> they need only throw them at a bin, because nobody cares if the > > >> computers survive the trip intact. > > > > > > I don't agree. I've been in and around shipping for decades. You don't > > > know what you're talking about. > > > > Are you seriously suggesting that computer equipment shipped for > > scrap is packaged with the same care as computers intended for use? > > > > Has your shipping experience included sending computers for scrap? > > > Obviously we don't want PC's piled into a dumpster. I've been to many a > logistics/warehouse handling reclaimed PC's not intended for scrap and > if they are carefully stacked in skids using soft foam, bubble wrap and > plastic film the shock they experience is no more that if they were > packed individually in a box with Styrofoam. > > > > ... > > >> Evidently you haven't examined the specifications of the OLPC. It's > > >> only a "better" machine based on metrics that assume local > > >> infrastructure involves regular power losses. > > >> > > > I'm old enough to have learned to read using books. What wrong with > > > books? They can be read using a candle. > > > > How many books can you buy for the price of an OLPC machine? > > Probably not enough to see a student through the first grade. > > > > How many newspapers? Less than a year's worth. > > ??? I don't know what you mean?? Books are now undervalued and dirt > cheap. They can be transmitted in electronic form, printed, recycled or > even burned ;) > > > > > > Etc.... > > > -- > "Replacing desktops one PC at a time" > http://www.TorontoNUI.ca > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 15:34:10 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:34:10 -0500 Subject: Changing Konqueror's icon Message-ID: <1e55af990612010734v78a583e1n2595e4b1fd948dfe@mail.gmail.com> Konqueror's icon constantly mutates, displaying a different system bar icon every time I visit a new website etc, and it's really annoying. I have a hard time figuring out which application is konqueror and I want to fix it so that konqueor only ever displays one icon. Does anyone know if there's an easy way to do this? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 15:39:53 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:39:53 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <1164982860.3917.8.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164982860.3917.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <45704CC9.8070509@telly.org> Rick Tomaschuk wrote: >> When shipped in *that* form, they require no "tender loving care;" >> they need only throw them at a bin, because nobody cares if the >> computers survive the trip intact. >> > > I don't agree. I've been in and around shipping for decades. You don't > know what you're talking about. > I've also been involved with some of the operations that ship stuff for disposal -- the best one being FreeGeek in Portland -- and I agree with Christopher. You simply don't need to pack things the same way when you don't care if they stuff is operational at the destination. While monitors need more care because of the glass, in the case of PCs, keyboards and other stuff (ie, switches, modems, etc) the only thing that matters is how much you can stuff into a single container. Certainly there's less or no padding to protect against shock (ie, dropping) if you know the stuff will never be turned on again. Working hard drives are wrapped in static-protection bags and packed in foam or airbags before shipping. Non-working hard drives get jammed into boxes, as many as will fit. In any case, this thread is no longer about OLPC, it's about Rick picking arguments with everyone (which is apparent even from the snippet above). I'm out. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 15:42:59 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:42:59 -0500 Subject: compaq deskpro en errors Message-ID: <20061201154259.3089.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> I bought a second-hand PC, installed FC2 on it. My son used it for a week or so without issue. He plays games on website then gets off. Recently after logging on he got the errors: An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information for gnome-settings-daemon. Some of your configuration settings may not work properly. Here's an excerpt from that error's Details box: Failed to con? configuration server, some possible causes are tat you need to enable TCP/IP networking or ORBit, or you have stale NTS locks due to a system crash... A separate, concomitant error: Error activating XKB configuration. It can happen under various circumstances: a bug in libxklavier - a bug in Xserver (xkbcomp, xmodmap utilities) X server with incompatable libxkbfile inplementation I'm always in awe that there are people that understand this stuff but I am not one of them. I didn't want to lose the installation of macromedia flash and all the stuff that makes printing to the hp psc 1610 possible, so, rather than do a reinstall, I did an upgrade to FC4 hoping the errors would not be still be there. I was surprised to see the errors did persist through the upgrade. The computer: Compaq Deskpro EN (722 Mhz processor I think) 256 MB RAM Video: Matrox Millenium G400 Monitor: Compaq S710 Colour Sound: [Intel Corp.] ?82801AA AC'97 Audio? snd-intel 8x0 NIC: 3c905C-TX/TX-M[Tornado] (eth0) Any ideas that I could try? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 15:43:26 2006 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:43:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <1164985949.3917.16.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164982860.3917.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164985949.3917.16.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 09:30 -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: >> On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: >>> I'm old enough to have learned to read using books. What wrong with >>> books? They can be read using a candle. >> >> How many books can you buy for the price of an OLPC machine? >> Probably not enough to see a student through the first grade. >> >> How many newspapers? Less than a year's worth. > > ??? I don't know what you mean?? Books are now undervalued and dirt > cheap. They are? > They can be transmitted in electronic form, Exactly; that's what the cheap laptops are for. > printed, Even mass-market paperbacks are ~$10.00 each. > recycled or even burned ;) -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 15:45:06 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:45:06 -0500 Subject: linux video memory tester Message-ID: <45704E02.50700@alteeve.com> Hi all, My poor laptop is sick :(. I think it's the video RAM but I am not entirely sure. I was hoping for a suggestion on an app that can test video RAM specifically. Any tips? Thanks! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 15:58:56 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:58:56 -0500 Subject: Changing Konqueror's icon In-Reply-To: <1e55af990612010734v78a583e1n2595e4b1fd948dfe-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990612010734v78a583e1n2595e4b1fd948dfe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sy Ali wrote: > Konqueror's icon constantly mutates, displaying a different system bar > icon every time I visit a new website etc, and it's really annoying. > I have a hard time figuring out which application is konqueror and I > want to fix it so that konqueor only ever displays one icon. > > Does anyone know if there's an easy way to do this? If you don't mind not seeing them in the location bar, you could add a rule to Konqueror's built in AdBlock filters for any favicon.ico file. Though if a site uses a different name you might have to block every *.ico. It's a gain in terms of what you want, but a loss in terms of other functionality (that you may or may not want). Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 16:05:50 2006 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:05:50 -0500 Subject: Changing Konqueror's icon In-Reply-To: References: <1e55af990612010734v78a583e1n2595e4b1fd948dfe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7ac602420612010805y58bb4a77k30b7f500fd40621c@mail.gmail.com> > If you don't mind not seeing them in the location bar, you could add a > rule to Konqueror's built in AdBlock filters for any favicon.ico file. > Though if a site uses a different name you might have to block every *.ico. I'm reasonably certain that favicon.ico is the only filename that can be used for a favicon so, if you're willing to accept the other limitations than Jamon mentioned, you shouldn't have to worry about what other file names might be used. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 16:17:55 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:17:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <261357.57568.qm@web88215.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ok, let's clear away the @#$% and assume the cheap laptops are coming, millions of them, maybe 10s of millions of them. Love them, hate them, or your indifferent to them, let's assume they are coming. So, let's ask the next question, how do we on this mailing list make money off them? Seriously, I already have a ball rolling on this score, through what has become one of my favourite venues. Millions of Linux laptops being built, that is news, the sort of news magazine articles can be written around :-) . Now, I am attempting to think of other ways money could be made off those laptops, creating texts (here is where being multi-lingual (which I am not) would be a big advantage), what else? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 16:32:56 2006 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:32:56 -0500 Subject: Mildly OT: AMD's latest chip(s) Message-ID: <1f13df280612010832n17dd317fy7284bc215169871@mail.gmail.com> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ZDM/story?id=2693130 I'm a fan of AMD, although I admit that some of my joy in their existence is just contrariness. I've bought systems with their chips before, and for a while before Intel let out the Core Duo processors, AMD was producing better chips than Intel. The above URL contains a (poorly formatted) review of the new AMD QuadFX platform: two dual core chips on one board, meant to compete with Intel's quad core. Apparently it's the loudest system they've ever reviewed, and it draws 600w with only one graphics card on board. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 16:37:43 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:37:43 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <261357.57568.qm-Kg4S4JJQdT6B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <261357.57568.qm@web88215.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10612010837x6524b089jd3c93e2a41828f61@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/06, Colin McGregor wrote: > Ok, let's clear away the @#$% and assume the cheap > laptops are coming, millions of them, maybe 10s of > millions of them. Love them, hate them, or your > indifferent to them, let's assume they are coming. So, > let's ask the next question, how do we on this mailing > list make money off them? > > Seriously, I already have a ball rolling on this > score, through what has become one of my favourite > venues. Millions of Linux laptops being built, that is > news, the sort of news magazine articles can be > written around :-) . > > Now, I am attempting to think of other ways money > could be made off those laptops, creating texts (here > is where being multi-lingual (which I am not) would be > a big advantage), what else? Hi Colin... As I posted earlier, there is still going to be a requirement for some kind of traditional server to provide local storage for all these flash-based OLPCs. Maybe float some proposal to your gang down on Eastern Ave to recycle some machines that would compliment the OLPC efforts? -- Daniel Wayne Armstrong :: build_it_yourself biology http://biohackery.com :: -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 16:41:36 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 11:41:36 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <45704CC9.8070509-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164982860.3917.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <45704CC9.8070509@telly.org> Message-ID: <1164991296.3917.18.camel@spot1.localhost.com> No. I think its more about Evan being supreme ruler of Linux worldwide. On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 10:39 -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > In any case, this thread is no longer about OLPC, it's about Rick > picking arguments with everyone (which is apparent even from the snippet > above). I'm out. > > - Evan > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- "Replacing desktops one PC at a time" http://www.TorontoNUI.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 16:44:06 2006 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 11:44:06 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <261357.57568.qm-Kg4S4JJQdT6B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <261357.57568.qm@web88215.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45705BD6.5020205@rogers.com> > Now, I am attempting to think of other ways money > could be made off those laptops, creating texts (here > is where being multi-lingual (which I am not) would be > a big advantage), what else? Well, this whole idea is predicated on a certain amount of literacy. The more fundamental kind, ie, reading & writing. What about coupling profit motivated initiatives with some kind of literacy promoting method and resource that is included? Very well designed and accesible training materials, custom catered to the market where's it's being deployed. One would assume that if you expand the base of literate people, they'll do better for themselves and have more surplus to spend on what you're selling them. Also, what about constructing custom catalogs of knowledge? If these are being deployed to the proverbial remote african village or whatever, a veritable encyclopedia of technical and medical information could be handy. Not talking about shuffling them white folks' spare pop culture, but good stuff like water extraction and purification, health care, environmental management, industry & technology, etc. Cheers, B p.s. Might be a good idea to have an option whereby these notebooks were shipped with a good enough solar cell to recharge the batteries. Some good long distance wireless might be nice too, if it allowed remote areas to communicate better. Coordinate for weather, safety, shared farming/livestock resources, etc. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 16:48:38 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:48:38 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <1164991296.3917.18.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164982860.3917.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <45704CC9.8070509@telly.org> <1164991296.3917.18.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: I found that funny, you're only proving his point. On 12/1/06, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > No. I think its more about Evan being supreme ruler of Linux worldwide. > > On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 10:39 -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > In any case, this thread is no longer about OLPC, it's about Rick > > picking arguments with everyone (which is apparent even from the snippet > > above). I'm out. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 16:52:32 2006 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:52:32 -0500 Subject: Mildly OT: AMD's latest chip(s) In-Reply-To: <1f13df280612010832n17dd317fy7284bc215169871-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280612010832n17dd317fy7284bc215169871@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7ac602420612010852yc90163eyda382aac90923d59@mail.gmail.com> The print version is a little better-formatted: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/print?id=2693130 Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 16:57:00 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 11:57:00 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <261357.57568.qm-Kg4S4JJQdT6B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <261357.57568.qm@web88215.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45705EDC.8010901@telly.org> Thanks for bringing the thread back on track, Colin. > Seriously, I already have a ball rolling on this score, through what has become one of my favourite venues. Millions of Linux laptops being built, that is news, the sort of news magazine articles can be written around :-) . > Big enough news that you're now competing for readers with the New York Times and a good chunk of the blogsphere. This is very mainstream, made even moreso when Gates publicly attacked the OLPC. (Actually, I'm eagerly awaiting the first incident in which an otherwise-eligible request for funding of an OLPC-related project is rejected by the B&M Gates Foundation. Already the notion is getting floated around -- http://www.techweb.com/blog/archives/2006/11/can_the_gates_f.html) > Now, I am attempting to think of other ways money could be made off those laptops, creating texts (here is where being multi-lingual (which I am not) would be > a big advantage), what else? > There will be many opportunities, not only for software but also for ideas that will create novel real-world applications. (Ie, the cellphone didn't really realize its potential in the developing world until coupled with the concept of microcredits.) There are many non-educational possibilities, related to areas like healthcare and security, that are barely even being imagined now. I can even see instances where the OLPC could double as a (very weak) power generator, leading to new innovations in items powered by a USB port that have nothing to do with computing. The problem in our context is that people aren't going to make much money from this, especially people in the rich world. Because of the nature of the project, most of the ancillary services will be provided by local non-profits in the countries of deployment. They may be funded by organizations such as Canada's IDRC, but most of that kind of aid money must be spent directly in the recipient country. Companies such as Red Hat and AMD are working either at-cost or below cost to make this happen. As far as I can tell, the only entity earning a real profit off OLPC is the Taiwanese factory that makes it. Others are working at nominal salaries, and nominal salaries in the developing world are far below those standards here. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 17:00:05 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:00:05 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164982860.3917.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <45704CC9.8070509@telly.org> <1164991296.3917.18.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <1164992405.3917.28.camel@spot1.localhost.com> I'm entitled to my opinion and won't be intimidated by someone who thinks only his opinion is valid. I've put a lot of time and energy into my support for Linux not to be blown away by some open source ego maniac. Open source is supposed to be for everyone. Look back to the days when options for computer learning were only raw BSD or "Coherent" or Xenix or an unobtainable version of high end Unix. If you kiddies can't handle some real world debate you should head home to mom for lunch. On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 11:48 -0500, Simon wrote: > I found that funny, you're only proving his point. > > On 12/1/06, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > No. I think its more about Evan being supreme ruler of Linux worldwide. > > > > On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 10:39 -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > > Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > > In any case, this thread is no longer about OLPC, it's about Rick > > > picking arguments with everyone (which is apparent even from the snippet > > > above). I'm out. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- "Replacing desktops one PC at a time" http://www.TorontoNUI.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 17:12:37 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:12:37 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <1164992405.3917.28.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164982860.3917.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <45704CC9.8070509@telly.org> <1164991296.3917.18.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164992405.3917.28.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: /me wallops all involved with a very large smelly trout Really... A real debate is about engaging with others and considering their perspectives instead of figuring out how to ensure one's position is always one of opposition. Debate is not the farcical political rhetoric you get in the House of Commons. Debate is a constructive dialogue between parties, in some cases with a dialectical structure. There should be a goal to a debate. BUT THERE IS NONE IN THIS CASE, THERE IS NO POINT TO THIS. If you think that this spouting of unfounded opinions by various people is a debate we have a problem. Let's keep things civil here and end this thread now before it really gets out of hand (though I think it has already). Nothing productive is happening here, so let's just stop now please. Jamon Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > I'm entitled to my opinion and won't be intimidated by someone who > thinks only his opinion is valid. I've put a lot of time and energy into > my support for Linux not to be blown away by some open source ego > maniac. Open source is supposed to be for everyone. Look back to the > days when options for computer learning were only raw BSD or "Coherent" > or Xenix or an unobtainable version of high end Unix. If you kiddies > can't handle some real world debate you should head home to mom for > lunch. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 17:10:58 2006 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:10:58 -0500 Subject: php and me don't get alone... help? In-Reply-To: <200611302254.03975.softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <456E506E.9000706@alteeve.com> <200611302104.53053.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <200611302254.03975.softquake@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612011211.04188.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Thursday 30 November 2006 22:54, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > On Thursday 30 November 2006 21:04, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > > I wanted to point out that using rpm's etc is seldom the best > > > way of installing and configuring these beasts. Why? PHP offers > > > a lot of optional libraries. I am personally used to play with > > > many, just for fun or purpose. And it is highly unlikely to > > > find an rpm that would allow me to use just these libraries > > > that I need. Besides, things change from distribution to > > > distribution, from one php release version to another. > > > > > > Hence, I become independent of rpm's to avoid problems and > > > confusion. I keep notes about every new installation of apache > > > (with PHP, etc) I do and, believe me or not, after a few tens > > > of times at least i did installation, I do not need to use > > > these notes much ;) But after already making installation once, > > > properly, one knows how to compile all this stuff and not worry > > > about finding a proper rpm. > > > > Why not rebuild the RPM instead? I've had to rebuild the Postfix > > RPM before to support PostgreSQL for authentication and it was > > trivially easy. I didn't have to pollute my system with stuff > > that is outside the package manager's control. > > A very good point. > > I mean: of comparable quality as mine ;) > > I am saying: learn to compile. > > You argue: learn to build your own rpm. Not quite. I suggested you *re*build, not build, though there is also merit in the latter. I've yet to encounter an RPM based distro for which there is no package for PHP, PostgreSQL, and Apache so that means you would have access to the SRPMs for all three. If you have the SRPM, you can rebuild the RPM. I don't know about these particular three packages but if the SPEC file allows for it, you can pass build options to rpmbuild. > As for me: educative (i did not try to build my own rpm, so far) You obviously know how to build things from source. That means you already know most of what you need to know to build your own RPMs. I'd suggest starting with something simple, something that doesn't have a package for your distro, something that you normally would build from source and just stick in /usr/local anyway. If there is an RPM for another distro or for an older version, all the better because you can then adapt the SPEC file for your distro. Once you start building your own RPMs, you can set up a private repository, urpmi, yum, smart, whatever your distro supports and you like. You'll just have to add your private repository to your sources list on subsequent machines so that you can use the package management tools provided by your distro to install, remove, or update your custom packages. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 16:53:19 2006 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:53:19 -0500 Subject: Mildly OT: AMD's latest chip(s) In-Reply-To: <1f13df280612010832n17dd317fy7284bc215169871-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280612010832n17dd317fy7284bc215169871@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think this chip (or pair of chips) is a non-starter, based on the combination of a) power consumption, b) noise, c) price and d) ho-hum performance. From what I've seen lately, the best bang for a buck is a P4 2.4 with loads of RAM -- but that's probably only because I'm not convinced a 64 bit processor is any better than any of the tried-and-true 32 bit processors around. I used to wonder at power supplies capable of 1kW loads .. now I understand what they were being built for. On 12/1/06, Giles Orr wrote: > > http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ZDM/story?id=2693130 > > I'm a fan of AMD, although I admit that some of my joy in their > existence is just contrariness. I've bought systems with their chips > before, and for a while before Intel let out the Core Duo processors, > AMD was producing better chips than Intel. The above URL contains a > (poorly formatted) review of the new AMD QuadFX platform: two dual > core chips on one board, meant to compete with Intel's quad core. > Apparently it's the loudest system they've ever reviewed, and it draws > 600w with only one graphics card on board. > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 17:23:32 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:23:32 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <45706285.7040902-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164982860.3917.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <45704CC9.8070509@telly.org> <1164991296.3917.18.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164992405.3917.28.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <45706285.7040902@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1164993813.3917.30.camel@spot1.localhost.com> I think the OLPC program is flawed. If you don't like my email filter them out and ignore them. On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 12:12 -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > /me wallops all involved with a very large smelly trout > > Really... A real debate is about engaging with others and considering > their perspectives instead of figuring out how to ensure one's position > is always one of opposition. Debate is not the farcical political > rhetoric you get in the House of Commons. Debate is a constructive > dialogue between parties, in some cases with a dialectical structure. > There should be a goal to a debate. BUT THERE IS NONE IN THIS CASE, > THERE IS NO POINT TO THIS. If you think that this spouting of unfounded > opinions by various people is a debate we have a problem. > > Let's keep things civil here and end this thread now before it really > gets out of hand (though I think it has already). Nothing productive is > happening here, so let's just stop now please. > > Jamon > > Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > I'm entitled to my opinion and won't be intimidated by someone who > > thinks only his opinion is valid. I've put a lot of time and energy into > > my support for Linux not to be blown away by some open source ego > > maniac. Open source is supposed to be for everyone. Look back to the > > days when options for computer learning were only raw BSD or "Coherent" > > or Xenix or an unobtainable version of high end Unix. If you kiddies > > can't handle some real world debate you should head home to mom for > > lunch. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- "Replacing desktops one PC at a time" http://www.TorontoNUI.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 17:27:47 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:27:47 -0500 Subject: Mildly OT: AMD's latest chip(s) In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df280612010832n17dd317fy7284bc215169871@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If you're going to buy a chip from the last generation, don't buy P4, the architecture isn't any less bad just because Intel's newer chips have improved. And by bad I mean low performance per clock, excessive heat generation, and excessive power consumption. On 12/1/06, Alex Beamish wrote: > I think this chip (or pair of chips) is a non-starter, based on the > combination of a) power consumption, b) noise, c) price and d) ho-hum > performance. From what I've seen lately, the best bang for a buck is a P4 > 2.4 with loads of RAM -- but that's probably only because I'm not convinced > a 64 bit processor is any better than any of the tried-and-true 32 bit > processors around. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 17:37:42 2006 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:37:42 -0500 Subject: Mildly OT: AMD's latest chip(s) In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df280612010832n17dd317fy7284bc215169871@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45706866.1080909@pobox.com> Alex Beamish wrote: > I think this chip (or pair of chips) is a non-starter, based on the > combination of a) power consumption, b) noise, c) price and d) ho-hum > performance. From what I've seen lately, the best bang for a buck is a > P4 2.4 with loads of RAM -- but that's probably only because I'm not > convinced a 64 bit processor is any better than any of the > tried-and-true 32 bit processors around. > > I used to wonder at power supplies capable of 1kW loads .. now I > understand what they were being built for. Games. Those quad SLI contraptions from nVidia (and whatever ATI offer as an equivalent) require an obscene amount of power. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 17:41:56 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:41:56 -0500 Subject: Mildly OT: AMD's latest chip(s) In-Reply-To: <45706866.1080909-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280612010832n17dd317fy7284bc215169871@mail.gmail.com> <45706866.1080909@pobox.com> Message-ID: Andrej Marjan wrote: > Alex Beamish wrote: >> I think this chip (or pair of chips) is a non-starter, based on the >> combination of a) power consumption, b) noise, c) price and d) ho-hum >> performance. From what I've seen lately, the best bang for a buck is a >> P4 2.4 with loads of RAM -- but that's probably only because I'm not >> convinced a 64 bit processor is any better than any of the >> tried-and-true 32 bit processors around. >> >> I used to wonder at power supplies capable of 1kW loads .. now I >> understand what they were being built for. > > Games. Those quad SLI contraptions from nVidia (and whatever ATI offer > as an equivalent) require an obscene amount of power. Ati is coming out with a card soon that recommends having 2 power supplies. Apparently the card will draw about 250watts... Imagine that in an SLI configuration, you're talking 1/2 a kilowatt just for the video cards, nevermind the cpu(s) to take advantage of all that bandwidth and speed. GAH! Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 18:12:00 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:12:00 -0500 Subject: Changing Konqueror's icon In-Reply-To: <7ac602420612010805y58bb4a77k30b7f500fd40621c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990612010734v78a583e1n2595e4b1fd948dfe@mail.gmail.com> <7ac602420612010805y58bb4a77k30b7f500fd40621c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990612011012w4a897ad0wd62d23b8006ee337@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/06, Ian Petersen wrote: > > If you don't mind not seeing them in the location bar, you could add a > > rule to Konqueror's built in AdBlock filters for any favicon.ico file. > > Though if a site uses a different name you might have to block every *.ico. > > I'm reasonably certain that favicon.ico is the only filename that can > be used for a favicon so, if you're willing to accept the other > limitations than Jamon mentioned, you shouldn't have to worry about > what other file names might be used. If it's my only recourse, I'm agreeable to it. Can I get a tip as to the expression to use? These don't seem to work: /*.ico http://*.ico But then again, google has no .ico reference in its source.. hmm. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 18:18:34 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:18:34 -0500 Subject: Making konqueror remember passwords Message-ID: <1e55af990612011018r6333f626q5239a5e992876150@mail.gmail.com> I think I must have told konqueror to not save the password for a couple of websites, and now that I'm using a wallet more and more I want it to remember those passwords. However, I have been unable to find the configuration option to set this per-website preference for storing passwords. Some googling has turned up kwalletmanager which is nice, but isn't what I was looking for. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 18:33:54 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:33:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <45705EDC.8010901-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <45705EDC.8010901@telly.org> Message-ID: <20061201183354.95630.qmail@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Thanks for bringing the thread back on track, Colin. > > > Seriously, I already have a ball rolling on this > score, through what has become one of my favourite > venues. Millions of Linux laptops being built, that > is news, the sort of news magazine articles can be > written around :-) . > > > Big enough news that you're now competing for > readers with the New York > Times and a good chunk of the blogsphere. This is > very mainstream, made > even moreso when Gates publicly attacked the OLPC. True enough, but I expect there will be interest in just about every Linux related publication for stuff on this story. So, yes there will be a large market for OLPC stories :-) . > (Actually, I'm eagerly awaiting the first incident > in which an > otherwise-eligible request for funding of an > OLPC-related project is > rejected by the B&M Gates Foundation. Already the > notion is getting > floated around -- > http://www.techweb.com/blog/archives/2006/11/can_the_gates_f.html) > > > Now, I am attempting to think of other ways money > could be made off those laptops, creating texts > (here is where being multi-lingual (which I am not) > would be > > a big advantage), what else? > > > There will be many opportunities, not only for > software but also for > ideas that will create novel real-world > applications. (Ie, the cellphone > didn't really realize its potential in the > developing world until > coupled with the concept of microcredits.) There are > many > non-educational possibilities, related to areas like > healthcare and > security, that are barely even being imagined now. I > can even see > instances where the OLPC could double as a (very > weak) power generator, > leading to new innovations in items powered by a USB > port that have > nothing to do with computing. True. > The problem in our context is that people aren't > going to make much > money from this, especially people in the rich > world. Because of the > nature of the project, most of the ancillary > services will be provided > by local non-profits in the countries of deployment. > They may be funded > by organizations such as Canada's IDRC, but most of > that kind of aid > money must be spent directly in the recipient > country. Again true, I don't see any real money plays here (news articles make money, but it is very modest $). Still, one interesting thought would be to encourage say the various ministries of education to deploy the OLPC program here in Canada, then there would be some real money to be made locally (teaching teachers, supporting local infrastructure... Imagine every high school student with a Wi-Fi laptop, almost every fast food place will need a hotspot or know they will loose their teen customers to places that do, that alone could be a great consulting/support opportunity...). > Companies such as Red Hat and AMD are working either > at-cost or below > cost to make this happen. As far as I can tell, the > only entity earning > a real profit off OLPC is the Taiwanese factory that > makes it. Others > are working at nominal salaries, and nominal > salaries in the developing > world are far below those standards here. So long as the laptops are just going to developing world nations you are likely right... > - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 19:25:19 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:25:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10612010837x6524b089jd3c93e2a41828f61-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10612010837x6524b089jd3c93e2a41828f61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <680242.66830.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Daniel Armstrong wrote: > On 12/1/06, Colin McGregor > wrote: > > Ok, let's clear away the @#$% and assume the cheap > > laptops are coming, millions of them, maybe 10s of > > millions of them. Love them, hate them, or your > > indifferent to them, let's assume they are coming. > So, > > let's ask the next question, how do we on this > mailing > > list make money off them? > > > > Seriously, I already have a ball rolling on this > > score, through what has become one of my favourite > > venues. Millions of Linux laptops being built, > that is > > news, the sort of news magazine articles can be > > written around :-) . > > > > Now, I am attempting to think of other ways money > > could be made off those laptops, creating texts > (here > > is where being multi-lingual (which I am not) > would be > > a big advantage), what else? > > Hi Colin... As I posted earlier, there is still > going to be a > requirement for some kind of traditional server to > provide local > storage for all these flash-based OLPCs. Maybe float > some proposal to > your gang down on Eastern Ave to recycle some > machines that would > compliment the OLPC efforts? At the moment most stuff is effectively shut down on Eastern Ave. (well, sort of, there is a TV show being shot in/around the building, so lots of people, just little to do with computers). As is, I expect the real demand for the OLPC servers will be to have massive gobs of hard disk space something the boxes we get in normally don't have. As well, I expect the OLPC nations will want to standardize on one box design of the sort of, when the technicial arrives at a site he/she will know they are facing a box that has say: - Brand X model Y CPU - 500 GB hard disk etc. etc. All the boxes the same... In other words I don't think the sort of used boxes we are used to dealling with will go over will in the OLPC enviroment... Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 19:25:05 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:25:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <45705EDC.8010901-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <261357.57568.qm@web88215.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <45705EDC.8010901@telly.org> Message-ID: <50819.207.188.66.20.1165001105.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > > Thanks for bringing the thread back on track, Colin. > One of the exciting things about the OLPC project is that it is creating a completely new, widely used hardware platform for computing. PC hardware has been a monoculture for many years and this has limited the kinds of hardware explorations that might otherwise take place. Whether it's widely adopted or not, the MIT team deserve full marks for thinking 'out of the box' in this design. Open-source software gets some credit for this - it's one of the things that has made it possible to branch out in this fashion. We might even return to the days of the Commodore 64 and Atari ST, when there was a real diversity of machines to choose from -- with the added advantage of data compatability, so that users are not 'locked in'. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 19:42:52 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:42:52 +0000 Subject: Mildly OT: AMD's latest chip(s) In-Reply-To: <1f13df280612010832n17dd317fy7284bc215169871-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280612010832n17dd317fy7284bc215169871@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/1/06, Giles Orr wrote: > http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ZDM/story?id=2693130 > > I'm a fan of AMD, although I admit that some of my joy in their > existence is just contrariness. I've bought systems with their chips > before, and for a while before Intel let out the Core Duo processors, > AMD was producing better chips than Intel. The above URL contains a > (poorly formatted) review of the new AMD QuadFX platform: two dual > core chips on one board, meant to compete with Intel's quad core. > Apparently it's the loudest system they've ever reviewed, and it draws > 600w with only one graphics card on board. It would have to be mighty loud to be louder than the Celestica quad-Opterons that we've got. Those have *GOT* to be placed in a server room; they're preposterously too loud to have in an office environment. In a way, the big merit to AMD seems to me to not have anything to do with "people-facing" machines; they're *particularly* good if they have a huge whack of CPU power (which one or two users won't be able to properly harness) and a huge whack of RAM (again, not readily harnessable by desktop-y users). Ergo, server machines, which don't need to be particularly quiet. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 21:24:15 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:24:15 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <50819.207.188.66.20.1165001105.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <261357.57568.qm@web88215.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <45705EDC.8010901@telly.org> <50819.207.188.66.20.1165001105.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: I won't consider the current computing market anything but a monoculture significant fraction of people have the option of getting their "main" box something other than an x86 arch cpu. This could be a low end performance sort of thing, like ARM, or MIPS ( slightly higher performance range compared to ARM? Someone correct me if I'm wrong please ), or in the high end, like Cell powered workstations becoming somewhat prevalent as desktop systems. Until then, we're still on an x86 monoculture. I'd have more to say about this if I wasn't so clueless about the merits of various CPU architectures. As it is now, I just have assumed x86 is still popular mostly because of widespread usage of closed-source software that scares hardware vendors out of offering consumer products that run on different hardware. Then again, Apple's move to x86 sheds some doubt on this assumption. On 12/1/06, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > > > Thanks for bringing the thread back on track, Colin. > > > One of the exciting things about the OLPC project is that it is creating a > completely new, widely used hardware platform for computing. PC hardware > has been a monoculture for many years and this has limited the kinds of > hardware explorations that might otherwise take place. > > Whether it's widely adopted or not, the MIT team deserve full marks for > thinking 'out of the box' in this design. Open-source software gets some > credit for this - it's one of the things that has made it possible to > branch out in this fashion. > > We might even return to the days of the Commodore 64 and Atari ST, when > there was a real diversity of machines to choose from -- with the added > advantage of data compatability, so that users are not 'locked in'. > > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > http://www.syscompdesign.com > USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > 647-839-0325 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 1 22:27:42 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:27:42 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <50819.207.188.66.20.1165001105.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <261357.57568.qm@web88215.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <45705EDC.8010901@telly.org> <50819.207.188.66.20.1165001105.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <4570AC5E.8030709@telly.org> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > One of the exciting things about the OLPC project is that it is creating a > completely new, widely used hardware platform for computing. PC hardware > has been a monoculture for many years and this has limited the kinds of > hardware explorations that might otherwise take place. > What I'm hoping is that some of the R&D that went into the low-power CPU and daylight-capable screen technology will find its way into mainstream platforms -- maybe that's how OLPC players like AMD will recoup their investments in it. The developing world isn't the only place where inexpensive, "ruggedized" laptops that could survive drops and liquid spills would be useful. And think of the possibilities of using the "always-on" mesh networking in a conventional urban environment. > We might even return to the days of the Commodore 64 and Atari ST, when there was a real diversity of machines to choose from -- with the added > advantage of data compatability, so that users are not 'locked in'. IMO this is already happening, in a sense, but not in the obvious ways. The diversity I see is coming from platforms that don't identify themselves as "computers". The new generation of games systems are internet-capable, and the only thing preventing them from being able to run conventional PC apps are CPU differences and input devices (ie, keyboards -- most game consoles could easily act as pointing devices). You mentioned the Commodore and Atari, two systems that were indeed more popular for games than "business" apps -- how different are they -- conceptually -- from putting a keyboard on a PS3, XBox or Wii? Going beyond that, I was able to buy a full-sized keyboard for my Treo that allows me to use it to create and edit documents easily. Many smartphones now come with MS-Word and PDF readers. I need my laptop along with me far less than I used to, and as smartphones get even smarter -- adding more video options and internal capabilities such as GPS and better multimedia -- these units will IMO encroach even further on the PC market. IMO part of the reason that tablet PCs have never caught on is because many applications for them are already being filled by PalmOS and WindowsCE touchscreens. So I would argue that the amount of choice is indeed growing again. Conventional Windows systems are threatened not only by "traditional" OS alternatives of Mac or Linux, but also by non-traditional choices such as Blackberry and Symbian. Dell probably has as much to fear from Nintendo and Nokia as from HP and Lenovo. Compounding this is the reality that new online office apps, games and other software increasingly make the Internet -- not the underlying client hardware/OS -- the "platform". - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 00:29:25 2006 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:29:25 -0500 Subject: LPI Exams Dec 2nd Schedule Message-ID: <32f6a8880612011629o4e9a99feqf82800ef2d1e648b@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, Is there any schedule for LPIC exams or can anyone just pick and choose when they get there? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 01:40:31 2006 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:40:31 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164982860.3917.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164985949.3917.16.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: Simon wrote: > ... I just hope they add a URL bar > to the browser UI before they ship anything. It's already there - the title bar doubles as the URL bar. It's mentioned on the OLPC site, and in one of the youtube comments (if you were going by the video posted there). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 02:35:55 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:35:55 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <456F5376.3090800@telly.org> <1164928977.3931.52.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164982860.3917.8.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164985949.3917.16.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: ah, *whew* I was really worried about that, cause that would have been ridiculous, it's a security hole not to have one.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 05:11:15 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 00:11:15 -0500 Subject: moving to a larger hard drive... Message-ID: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709@mail.gmail.com> Hi TLUGers, I've got a mythtv system that had a 30GB drive. Predictably, I have now purchased a 320GB drive to replace it. Now, given the hassle involved in getting the system working (and it's just right!), you can imagine I'd much rather just duplicate the drive onto the larger one. However, the dd command proved less than useful! It created a duplicate but seemed to have made my drive 30GB in size. Plus, the resulting drive wouldn't boot the computer (a problem with Grub, perhaps? It stalls at a flashing cursor on boot, suggesting it doesn't see a boot drive). Further complicating factors include the fact that the old drive is IDE, the new drive is SATA2. We're moving from /dev/hda to /dev/sda. I've read online that dd will simply replicate the partition, but there must be a way to move files across such that it'll boot? Any advice you can give would be tremendously helpful. Thanks, Aaron. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 05:22:01 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 00:22:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Mildly OT: AMD's latest chip(s) In-Reply-To: <1f13df280612010832n17dd317fy7284bc215169871-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280612010832n17dd317fy7284bc215169871@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Giles Orr | | http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ZDM/story?id=2693130 | | I'm a fan of AMD, although I admit that some of my joy in their | existence is just contrariness. I've bought systems with their chips | before, and for a while before Intel let out the Core Duo processors, | AMD was producing better chips than Intel. The above URL contains a | (poorly formatted) review of the new AMD QuadFX platform: two dual | core chips on one board, meant to compete with Intel's quad core. | Apparently it's the loudest system they've ever reviewed, and it draws | 600w with only one graphics card on board. I've bought mostly AMD processors for my desktop. Most recently in January. Since then, Intel's Core 2 has jumped ahead technically. The price war makes the best bet change from day to day. (In the old days, Intel's name earned a premium, but not from me.) (On notebooks, Intel chipsets are a win for Linux users: pretty good open-source support.) This review isn't really relevant for most of us. - it says MS Vista performance may be good, but MS Windows XP isn't. That doesn't matter to me -- I guess that Linux can use four processors reasonably. (See the review's notes about NUMA; Linux can be NUMA-aware) - I've long had dual processors on my desktop (dual Celeron 300A's for instance). I would not swear that the two processors were well used. I doubt four processors get well used. - AMD CPUs are available with reasonable power budgets. But this desktop is built with "FX" series processors which are pushed as hard as possible and hence use a lot of power. If you don't want that, don't buy these chips. - the article claims that it is ironic that AMD is using an nVidia chipset. Not at all: AMD has said that it wants to retain a set of non-AMD/ATI chipset makers for the Athlon/Opteron. - the article refers to benchmarks, but never shows any figures. "This benchmark probably reveals the QuadFX's weakness: inadequate NUMA support in Windows XP." Just whose weakness is this? "Does quad-core make a difference in PC gaming? We don't have access to those spiffy new, quad-core enhanced titles, so we have to use our existing game suites. How will the QX6700 fare in today's games?" So why test a quad-core system???? Summary: this review is unprofessional. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 05:33:19 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 00:33:19 -0500 Subject: moving to a larger hard drive... In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/2/06, Aaron Vegh wrote: > Hi TLUGers, > I've got a mythtv system that had a 30GB drive. Predictably, I have > now purchased a 320GB drive to replace it. Now, given the hassle > involved in getting the system working (and it's just right!), you can > imagine I'd much rather just duplicate the drive onto the larger one. > However, the dd command proved less than useful! It created a > duplicate but seemed to have made my drive 30GB in size. Plus, the > resulting drive wouldn't boot the computer (a problem with Grub, > perhaps? It stalls at a flashing cursor on boot, suggesting it doesn't > see a boot drive). > > Further complicating factors include the fact that the old drive is > IDE, the new drive is SATA2. We're moving from /dev/hda to /dev/sda. > > I've read online that dd will simply replicate the partition, but > there must be a way to move files across such that it'll boot? > > Any advice you can give would be tremendously helpful. Frankly, my inclination would be to "leave well enough alone." I'd leave both drives in, boot from the IDE, and store data on the SATA. That ought to be the easiest option. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 05:34:21 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 00:34:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: moving to a larger hard drive... In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Aaron Vegh | I've got a mythtv system that had a 30GB drive. Predictably, I have | now purchased a 320GB drive to replace it. Now, given the hassle | involved in getting the system working (and it's just right!), you can | imagine I'd much rather just duplicate the drive onto the larger one. | However, the dd command proved less than useful! It created a | duplicate but seemed to have made my drive 30GB in size. I assume that you dd'ed hda to sda, not hda1 to sda1 etc: copied the whole disk rather than the individual partitions. You should be able to use fdisk to fix the partition table. It should see the rest of the disk. You will then probably need to grow a partition: another topic. | Plus, the | resulting drive wouldn't boot the computer (a problem with Grub, | perhaps? It stalls at a flashing cursor on boot, suggesting it doesn't | see a boot drive). | | Further complicating factors include the fact that the old drive is | IDE, the new drive is SATA2. We're moving from /dev/hda to /dev/sda. I'm slightly beyond the edge of my knowledge here. sda and hda are not interchangeable. Grub comes in stages. The boot sector part of it needs how to load the next stage of it. This is done by wiring-in sector addresses (the logic to understand filesystems just does not fit in the space of a boot sector). Probably grub's boot sector can no longer find its other stages. Consider making a grub boot floppy and getting it to load the kernel. The kernel itself may not be happy. I hope that is not the case. Perhaps grub.conf will need to be changed (changing /dev/hdaX to /dev/sdaX). Perhaps fstab will need to be edited similarly. You can probably fix this from a knoppix live CD. Once you've booted into your new system, you can probably run grub-install to make booting work without the grub floppy. If none of this made any sense, maybe you are attempting something too difficult for you. On the other hand, all you've got to lose is your time. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 11:17:46 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 06:17:46 -0500 Subject: moving to a larger hard drive... In-Reply-To: References: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4386c5b20612020317j66b263c7v967e5b9a6c376520@mail.gmail.com> > > Frankly, my inclination would be to "leave well enough alone." I'd > leave both drives in, boot from the IDE, and store data on the SATA. > That ought to be the easiest option. Unfortunately, there's only one hard drive slot. The mobo allows either IDE or SATA connections. So I have the SATA drive inside the computer, and the IDE drive in a USB-connected enclosure right now. Otherwise, this is exactly what I would have done... Aaron. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 12:41:52 2006 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy David Mills) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 07:41:52 -0500 Subject: moving to a larger hard drive... In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I would leave the 30GB in there for now. When the drive fills up, copy all the data in /myth/tv out to wherever you need. The target could be the 320GB SATA installed locally on the mythtv box. Possibly either on the SATA2 interface, or a Vantec external SATA/USB2 box. I have only 100mbit network cards and 100mbit switch, and I move 100GB of data every few weeks. I enabled samba on mythtv, and just copy all the data out to anything on the network that has the space. I know there are a lot of linux tools out there that do drive imaging, and do proportional copying. That is copy the data to the new drive and make new partitions in propotion to the original drive. However, even if you make the 320GB your primary drive, you will fill that up soon enough and will have to find some space somewhere to put that data. Make do, until they release the HVD I guess. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc Aaron Vegh wrote: > Hi TLUGers, > I've got a mythtv system that had a 30GB drive. Predictably, I have > now purchased a 320GB drive to replace it. Now, given the hassle > involved in getting the system working (and it's just right!), you can > imagine I'd much rather just duplicate the drive onto the larger one. > However, the dd command proved less than useful! It created a > duplicate but seemed to have made my drive 30GB in size. Plus, the > resulting drive wouldn't boot the computer (a problem with Grub, > perhaps? It stalls at a flashing cursor on boot, suggesting it doesn't > see a boot drive). > > Further complicating factors include the fact that the old drive is > IDE, the new drive is SATA2. We're moving from /dev/hda to /dev/sda. > > I've read online that dd will simply replicate the partition, but > there must be a way to move files across such that it'll boot? > > Any advice you can give would be tremendously helpful. > > Thanks, > Aaron. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 13:59:51 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 08:59:51 -0500 Subject: moving to a larger hard drive... In-Reply-To: References: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4386c5b20612020559lc089d51yfddf85817898c15e@mail.gmail.com> Hey Teddy, It simply isn't practical to keep the 30GB around. It's practically full now (~5GB left), and I really don't like the idea of having an attached external hard drive. I intend to archive recorded video to DVD... I don't have even enough room on the current drive to do that! I've been searching the archives of TLUG correspondence, and found a similar topic being discussed. Lennart (who else?) suggested: ------------snip Partition, make filesystems, mount new partition, then cp -ax /oldpartition /newpartition That is the PROPER way to do it, and probably the fastest too since it only copies the data. dd is great for making clones of a disk to another identical disk. You will have to reinstall the MBR/boot loader on the new disk of course. -------------snip Of course. :-) I actually found a resource to explain that too: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/11/how-to-repair-corrupt-mbr-and-boot.html Looks trivial enough. So I'm waiting for the cp operation to complete, and we'll see if this works out. Fast, it aint... Thanks, Aaron. On 12/2/06, Teddy David Mills wrote: > I would leave the 30GB in there for now. > When the drive fills up, copy all the data in /myth/tv out to wherever > you need. > > The target could be the 320GB SATA installed locally on the mythtv box. > Possibly either on the SATA2 interface, or a Vantec external SATA/USB2 box. > I have only 100mbit network cards and 100mbit switch, and I move 100GB > of data every few weeks. > I enabled samba on mythtv, and just copy all the data out to anything on > the network that has the space. > > I know there are a lot of linux tools out there that do drive imaging, > and do proportional copying. > That is copy the data to the new drive and make new partitions in > propotion to the original drive. > > However, even if you make the 320GB your primary drive, you will fill > that up soon enough and > will have to find some space somewhere to put that data. Make do, until > they release the HVD I guess. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc > > > > > > > > Aaron Vegh wrote: > > Hi TLUGers, > > I've got a mythtv system that had a 30GB drive. Predictably, I have > > now purchased a 320GB drive to replace it. Now, given the hassle > > involved in getting the system working (and it's just right!), you can > > imagine I'd much rather just duplicate the drive onto the larger one. > > However, the dd command proved less than useful! It created a > > duplicate but seemed to have made my drive 30GB in size. Plus, the > > resulting drive wouldn't boot the computer (a problem with Grub, > > perhaps? It stalls at a flashing cursor on boot, suggesting it doesn't > > see a boot drive). > > > > Further complicating factors include the fact that the old drive is > > IDE, the new drive is SATA2. We're moving from /dev/hda to /dev/sda. > > > > I've read online that dd will simply replicate the partition, but > > there must be a way to move files across such that it'll boot? > > > > Any advice you can give would be tremendously helpful. > > > > Thanks, > > Aaron. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simone.richard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 14:53:21 2006 From: simone.richard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simone Richard) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 09:53:21 -0500 Subject: moving to a larger hard drive... In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20612020559lc089d51yfddf85817898c15e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612020559lc089d51yfddf85817898c15e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1bb290612020653i7852d152vd12b7ab1cc69168e@mail.gmail.com> Another possibility is to use tar instead of cp. I did this when moving my /home subtree to an already formatted new partition. # mount # cd # tar -cf - /home | tar -xvpf - Cheers, Simone On 12/2/06, Aaron Vegh wrote: > Hey Teddy, > It simply isn't practical to keep the 30GB around. It's practically > full now (~5GB left), and I really don't like the idea of having an > attached external hard drive. I intend to archive recorded video to > DVD... I don't have even enough room on the current drive to do that! > > I've been searching the archives of TLUG correspondence, and found a > similar topic being discussed. Lennart (who else?) suggested: > > ------------snip > Partition, make filesystems, mount new partition, then cp -ax > /oldpartition /newpartition > > That is the PROPER way to do it, and probably the fastest too since it > only copies the data. > > dd is great for making clones of a disk to another identical disk. > > You will have to reinstall the MBR/boot loader on the new disk of > course. > -------------snip > > Of course. :-) I actually found a resource to explain that too: > http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/11/how-to-repair-corrupt-mbr-and-boot.html > > Looks trivial enough. So I'm waiting for the cp operation to complete, > and we'll see if this works out. Fast, it aint... > > Thanks, > Aaron. > > > On 12/2/06, Teddy David Mills wrote: > > I would leave the 30GB in there for now. > > When the drive fills up, copy all the data in /myth/tv out to wherever > > you need. > > > > The target could be the 320GB SATA installed locally on the mythtv box. > > Possibly either on the SATA2 interface, or a Vantec external SATA/USB2 box. > > I have only 100mbit network cards and 100mbit switch, and I move 100GB > > of data every few weeks. > > I enabled samba on mythtv, and just copy all the data out to anything on > > the network that has the space. > > > > I know there are a lot of linux tools out there that do drive imaging, > > and do proportional copying. > > That is copy the data to the new drive and make new partitions in > > propotion to the original drive. > > > > However, even if you make the 320GB your primary drive, you will fill > > that up soon enough and > > will have to find some space somewhere to put that data. Make do, until > > they release the HVD I guess. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron Vegh wrote: > > > Hi TLUGers, > > > I've got a mythtv system that had a 30GB drive. Predictably, I have > > > now purchased a 320GB drive to replace it. Now, given the hassle > > > involved in getting the system working (and it's just right!), you can > > > imagine I'd much rather just duplicate the drive onto the larger one. > > > However, the dd command proved less than useful! It created a > > > duplicate but seemed to have made my drive 30GB in size. Plus, the > > > resulting drive wouldn't boot the computer (a problem with Grub, > > > perhaps? It stalls at a flashing cursor on boot, suggesting it doesn't > > > see a boot drive). > > > > > > Further complicating factors include the fact that the old drive is > > > IDE, the new drive is SATA2. We're moving from /dev/hda to /dev/sda. > > > > > > I've read online that dd will simply replicate the partition, but > > > there must be a way to move files across such that it'll boot? > > > > > > Any advice you can give would be tremendously helpful. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Aaron. > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 15:01:01 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 10:01:01 -0500 Subject: moving to a larger hard drive... In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20612020317j66b263c7v967e5b9a6c376520-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612020317j66b263c7v967e5b9a6c376520@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4571952D.7040802@telly.org> Aaron Vegh wrote: > Unfortunately, there's only one hard drive slot. The mobo allows > either IDE or SATA connections. So I have the SATA drive inside the > computer, and the IDE drive in a USB-connected enclosure right now. > Otherwise, this is exactly what I would have done... It may take a little more time, but wouldn't it ultimately offer less hassle to: - Do a fresh install on the new disk - mount the old USB-connected HD - transfer over your data and configurations using something like Unison or cpio -p - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 16:36:59 2006 From: billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 11:36:59 -0500 Subject: moving to a larger hard drive... In-Reply-To: <4571952D.7040802-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>; from evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org on Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 10:01:01AM -0500 References: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612020317j66b263c7v967e5b9a6c376520@mail.gmail.com> <4571952D.7040802@telly.org> Message-ID: <20061202113659.A14090@diamond.ss.org> On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 10:01:01AM -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Aaron Vegh wrote: > > Unfortunately, there's only one hard drive slot. The mobo allows > > either IDE or SATA connections. So I have the SATA drive inside the > > computer, and the IDE drive in a USB-connected enclosure right now. > > Otherwise, this is exactly what I would have done... > > It may take a little more time, but wouldn't it ultimately offer less > hassle to: > > - Do a fresh install on the new disk > - mount the old USB-connected HD > - transfer over your data and configurations using something like Unison > or cpio -p > > - Evan > I tend to agree with Evan here. This also allows you the option of having the working one available while working on the second one. Bill -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 16:22:07 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 11:22:07 -0500 Subject: moving to a larger hard drive... In-Reply-To: <20061202113659.A14090-l+PWtdWbHAuXFJAUJl40Xg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612020317j66b263c7v967e5b9a6c376520@mail.gmail.com> <4571952D.7040802@telly.org> <20061202113659.A14090@diamond.ss.org> Message-ID: <4386c5b20612020822n5d5e32ffo13217c368e76e903@mail.gmail.com> I'm starting to agree too. Every command I've tried has failed (dd, cp, tar) for a variety of reasons. There just doesn't seem to be an easy way of doing this, which is... ahem... RETARDED. So, despite the hours and hours I put into the first mythtv install, I'll do 'er again. :-P Thanks for the help. Aaron. On 12/2/06, billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org wrote: > On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 10:01:01AM -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > Aaron Vegh wrote: > > > Unfortunately, there's only one hard drive slot. The mobo allows > > > either IDE or SATA connections. So I have the SATA drive inside the > > > computer, and the IDE drive in a USB-connected enclosure right now. > > > Otherwise, this is exactly what I would have done... > > > > It may take a little more time, but wouldn't it ultimately offer less > > hassle to: > > > > - Do a fresh install on the new disk > > - mount the old USB-connected HD > > - transfer over your data and configurations using something like Unison > > or cpio -p > > > > - Evan > > > I tend to agree with Evan here. This also allows you the option of having the working one available while working on the second one. > > Bill > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 16:44:03 2006 From: billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 11:44:03 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 6 Message-ID: <20061202114403.B14090@diamond.ss.org> Okay I finally got my grubby little hands on the latest and greatest and plan to do a full reinstall. Has anyone any warnings about Fedora 6 that should be taken into account? Tomorrow is my designated date of install. I am presently doing a full backup of the parts that I can't live without or don't know if I can live without. I will post my comments here, and possibly as notes on the wiki. Bill -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 17:11:59 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 12:11:59 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 6 In-Reply-To: <20061202114403.B14090-l+PWtdWbHAuXFJAUJl40Xg@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202114403.B14090@diamond.ss.org> Message-ID: billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org wrote: > Okay I finally got my grubby little hands on the latest and greatest and plan to do a full reinstall. Has anyone any warnings about Fedora 6 that should be taken into account? > > Tomorrow is my designated date of install. I am presently doing a full backup of the parts that I can't live without or don't know if I can live without. > > I will post my comments here, and possibly as notes on the wiki. selinux will suck out your soul if you aren't careful. Use the default option in the installer unless you need or are a wizard with selinux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 17:22:58 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 12:22:58 -0500 Subject: moving to a larger hard drive... In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20612020822n5d5e32ffo13217c368e76e903-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612020317j66b263c7v967e5b9a6c376520@mail.gmail.com> <4571952D.7040802@telly.org> <20061202113659.A14090@diamond.ss.org> <4386c5b20612020822n5d5e32ffo13217c368e76e903@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4571B672.9040108@telly.org> Aaron Vegh wrote: > I'm starting to agree too. Every command I've tried has failed (dd, > cp, tar) for a variety of reasons. There just doesn't seem to be an > easy way of doing this, which is... ahem... RETARDED. In my experience, there are so many binary things on disk that are normally designed to be hidden from users (partition tables, boot sectors, superblocks, etc) that direct manipulation (as opposed to using tools like fdisk or mkfs) just isn't worth the pain. > So, despite the hours and hours I put into the first mythtv install, > I'll do 'er again. :-P I can't speak for your experience, but for me the second install goes a WHOLE lot faster once I've figured out how to do the first one. You know what packages you need and where to find them. And most importantly, you don't need to recreate your config files or directory layout -- they can be brought over intact from the original disk. Two other possible side benefits: 1) You get to install a newer version of the distribution (if it's been upgraded since you made the original system) 2) You have the option of trying things like LVM (I just did it for the first time and found setup much easier than I expected) which may come in handy if you find the need to expand disk space again in the future Good luck! - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 17:34:10 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 12:34:10 -0500 Subject: dinner is served Message-ID: <61e9e2b10612020934ld80c65fk90e7637d3ed3cbc1@mail.gmail.com> Quote of the Moment: "Microsoft's latest operating system, Vista -- or , as hackers like to call it, "dinner" -- was released amid great fanfare to business users this week." :-) http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20061202.wxrtheweek02/BNStory/Business/home -- Daniel Wayne Armstrong :: build_it_yourself biology http://biohackery.com :: -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 20:17:03 2006 From: crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Michael Hong) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 15:17:03 -0500 Subject: looking for shared web hosting Message-ID: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> Hi, I'm looking for shared web hosting for ~ $5 - $15 / month. I don't have any content really :) but I thought it's about time I got my own domain. Also, I'd like to play around with the usual LAMP stuff... Has anyone anything good or bad to say about any of the following services? http://www.hostgator.com/ http://www.inmotionhosting.com/ http://www.bluehost.com/ http://www.dreamhost.com/ http://www.spry.com/ http://www.vpslink.com/ - this one looks interesting... a cheap linux vps Is it best to buy a domain from a different place rather than getting the domain plus hosting service from the same company? Thanks for any suggestions, Michael -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 20:34:20 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 15:34:20 -0500 Subject: looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: <20061202201703.GB6318-xT+M43ky570+K/Hi72W+XQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> Message-ID: Michael Hong wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for shared web hosting for ~ $5 - $15 / month. I don't have > any content really :) but I thought it's about time I got my own domain. > Also, I'd like to play around with the usual LAMP stuff... > > Has anyone anything good or bad to say about any of the following > services? > > http://www.hostgator.com/ > http://www.inmotionhosting.com/ > http://www.bluehost.com/ > http://www.dreamhost.com/ > http://www.spry.com/ > > http://www.vpslink.com/ > - this one looks interesting... a cheap linux vps > > Is it best to buy a domain from a different place rather than getting > the domain plus hosting service from the same company? Speaking from experience, whatever you do, stay away from spry and vpslink (which is spry). Their tech support is awful and machines are slow. Hostgator just setup a Toronto office/datacenter so they may be a good bet. 24 hour support too. Lots of people on this list have space on their servers if you ask nicely too it seems :) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 20:38:08 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 15:38:08 -0500 Subject: looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: <20061202201703.GB6318-xT+M43ky570+K/Hi72W+XQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10612021238r7b9e5457ubfd24cf6488bb084@mail.gmail.com> On 12/2/06, Michael Hong wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for shared web hosting for ~ $5 - $15 / month. I don't have > any content really :) but I thought it's about time I got my own domain. > Also, I'd like to play around with the usual LAMP stuff... > > Has anyone anything good or bad to say about any of the following > services? > > http://www.hostgator.com/ > http://www.inmotionhosting.com/ > http://www.bluehost.com/ > http://www.dreamhost.com/ > http://www.spry.com/ I have used Hostgator for my website since July - $10US/month, not the cheapest but the service has been solid and the one time I emailed an inquiry to tech support they responded within the hour. I have used BareMetal.com for purchasing domain names. Before I picked hostgator, I spent some time in webhostingtalk.com perusing customer feedback. Formerly great web hosters can really go downhill in a hurry... Its important to get feedback from current customers, not 6-month-old comments. Good luck! -- Daniel Wayne Armstrong :: build_it_yourself biology http://biohackery.com :: -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 21:55:03 2006 From: billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 16:55:03 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 6 In-Reply-To: <4571B3DF.30908-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org>; from jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org on Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 12:11:59PM -0500 References: <20061202114403.B14090@diamond.ss.org> <4571B3DF.30908@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20061202165503.B15933@diamond.ss.org> On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 12:11:59PM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Okay I finally got my grubby little hands on the latest and greatest and plan to do a full reinstall. Has anyone any warnings about Fedora 6 that should be taken into account? > > > > Tomorrow is my designated date of install. I am presently doing a full backup of the parts that I can't live without or don't know if I can live without. > > > > I will post my comments here, and possibly as notes on the wiki. > > selinux will suck out your soul if you aren't careful. Use the default > option in the installer unless you need or are a wizard with selinux. > -- I have been there and I understand. I did spend many hours solving the selinux nightmare with fedora 5, and I am hoping that the configurations I backed up will just work. Bill -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 20:59:58 2006 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 15:59:58 -0500 Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive Message-ID: <200612021559.58732.mervc@eol.ca> I have installed Knopp Myth on the above and hope to figure out how to get it configured one day. Is it possible now to shrink the Myth partition and add a couple of partitions at the end for other distro's? Since it isn't configured yet, I don't know how insulted KMyth will be. I realize, that if I need to reinstall Knopp Myth, it will seize the whole drive again. Maybe by then I'll be able to use the Debian version as Lennart does. Or upgrade the KnoppMyth to the newest Debian version [if I get it working]? -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 23:05:26 2006 From: crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Michael Hong) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 18:05:26 -0500 Subject: looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: <4571E34C.8070502-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> <4571E34C.8070502@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20061202230526.GA7065@sechs.mushy.xyz> On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 15:34 -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Speaking from experience, whatever you do, stay away from spry and > vpslink (which is spry). Their tech support is awful and machines are slow. Sorry to hear that, vpslink looks like it would be a cool toy if it worked. I guess I'll strike them from my choices... > Hostgator just setup a Toronto office/datacenter so they may be a good > bet. 24 hour support too. Lots of people on this list have space on > their servers if you ask nicely too it seems :) Hostgator seems to have a pretty good reputation. Michael -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 2 23:28:57 2006 From: crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Michael Hong) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 18:28:57 -0500 Subject: [Bulk] Re:looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10612021238r7b9e5457ubfd24cf6488bb084-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> <61e9e2b10612021238r7b9e5457ubfd24cf6488bb084@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061202232857.GB7065@sechs.mushy.xyz> On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 15:38 -0500, Daniel Armstrong wrote: > I have used Hostgator for my website since July - $10US/month, not the > cheapest but the service has been solid and the one time I emailed an > inquiry to tech support they responded within the hour. Do you know if they offer SSL email for webmail and IMAP ? It's not listed on their site, a thread in their forum is inconclusive, and when I tested their live chat, the guy told me they don't support secure IMAP. Your site looks very nice. :) Is it drupal? Have you setup any other php - mysql apps like gallery, wordpress, joomla ? Is the speed usually pretty decent? I tried loading some sites using php & mysql at various hosts and some are very slow. > I have used BareMetal.com for purchasing domain names. I'll check them out, thanks. > Before I picked hostgator, I spent some time in webhostingtalk.com > perusing customer feedback. Formerly great web hosters can really go > downhill in a hurry... Its important to get feedback from current > customers, not 6-month-old comments. Thanks, yeah I found that site yesterday... I'm pretty tired of reading about hosting now. :) > Good luck! Thank you. Michael -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 00:02:29 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 19:02:29 -0500 Subject: looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: <20061202201703.GB6318-xT+M43ky570+K/Hi72W+XQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> Message-ID: On 12/2/06, Michael Hong wrote: > I'm looking for shared web hosting for ~ $5 - $15 / month. I don't have > any content really :) but I thought it's about time I got my own domain. > Also, I'd like to play around with the usual LAMP stuff... > > Has anyone anything good or bad to say about any of the following > services? I deal with a local company (with people I know from work): They start at $4.95/mo. > Is it best to buy a domain from a different place rather than getting > the domain plus hosting service from the same company? There's no technical reason to prefer to have the hosting service arrange for domain name registration, and some reasons why to prefer NOT to share that with them. If they arrange for domain registration, and even maybe pay for it, then *they* are the registrant for the domain, and if you ever have reason to walk away to another hosting provider, you may have to walk away from your domain name. I'd consider that plenty unacceptable. Before I went to moonbase.info, I was using a hosting service out of Philadelphia. The company went under (I was nearly their only customer, I gather), and I was left without website (and email) for a little while. The fact that the domain registration was completely in my name meant I had no trouble reactivating it against one of moonbase's servers almost immediately. If jwshosting (old company) had been the registrant for my domain names, I'd have been seriously screwed. There are mechanisms for requesting transfers of domains, and disputing ownership; it's a complete nightmare in comparison with your holding the authinfo for your own domain names. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vgs-XzQKRVe1yT0V+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 02:17:17 2006 From: vgs-XzQKRVe1yT0V+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org (VGS) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:17:17 -0500 Subject: [Bulk] Re:looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: <20061202232857.GB7065-xT+M43ky570+K/Hi72W+XQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> <61e9e2b10612021238r7b9e5457ubfd24cf6488bb084@mail.gmail.com> <20061202232857.GB7065@sechs.mushy.xyz> Message-ID: <457233AD.2070803@videotron.ca> > > >>I have used BareMetal.com for purchasing domain names. >> >> > >I'll check them out, thanks. > > Prices seem to be too high. maddogdomains.com prices are almost 50% lower. Regards, VGS. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 03:22:22 2006 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 22:22:22 -0500 Subject: [Bulk] Re:looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: <20061202232857.GB7065-xT+M43ky570+K/Hi72W+XQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> <61e9e2b10612021238r7b9e5457ubfd24cf6488bb084@mail.gmail.com> <20061202232857.GB7065@sechs.mushy.xyz> Message-ID: <61e9e2b10612021922s51a87a8h670741a8557b099b@mail.gmail.com> On 12/2/06, Michael Hong wrote: > On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 15:38 -0500, Daniel Armstrong wrote: > > > I have used Hostgator for my website since July - $10US/month, not the > > cheapest but the service has been solid and the one time I emailed an > > inquiry to tech support they responded within the hour. > > Do you know if they offer SSL email for webmail and IMAP ? It's not > listed on their site, a thread in their forum is inconclusive, and when I > tested their live chat, the guy told me they don't support secure IMAP. Sorry, never setup email on the account... So I am not sure if its a possibility. > > Your site looks very nice. :) Is it drupal? Have you setup any other > php - mysql apps like gallery, wordpress, joomla ? Is the speed usually > pretty decent? I tried loading some sites using php & mysql at > various hosts and some are very slow. Thanks! Yes... I am using Drupal. I did a Wordpress install briefly, but Evan's NEWTLUG presentation on Drupal won me over. :-) Speed and uptime have been solid since I setup everything in July. -- Daniel Wayne Armstrong :: build_it_yourself biology http://biohackery.com :: -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 06:52:58 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 01:52:58 -0500 Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: <200612021559.58732.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200612021559.58732.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: The installer doesn't let you manually specify how to use the partitions on the drive? Yikes... Perhaps you should make do with a more mainstream distribution - I've never thought it necessary to have a whole separate distribution just for the sake of one piece of software. Perhaps if it's a group of niche software and you want to ensure that the latest copies get included, but even then, a repository or overlay will do that just as well. Simon On 12/2/06, Merv Curley wrote: > I have installed Knopp Myth on the above and hope to figure out how to get it > configured one day. Is it possible now to shrink the Myth partition and add > a couple of partitions at the end for other distro's? Since it isn't > configured yet, I don't know how insulted KMyth will be. > > I realize, that if I need to reinstall Knopp Myth, it will seize the whole > drive again. Maybe by then I'll be able to use the Debian version as > Lennart does. > > Or upgrade the KnoppMyth to the newest Debian version [if I get it working]? > > > -- > Merv Curley > Toronto, Ont. Can > > Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 > Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 06:57:56 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 01:57:56 -0500 Subject: Mildly OT: AMD's latest chip(s) In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df280612010832n17dd317fy7284bc215169871@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/2/06, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Summary: this review is unprofessional. I was thinking the same thing :D -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 08:26:52 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 03:26:52 -0500 Subject: moving to a larger hard drive... In-Reply-To: <4571B672.9040108-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612020317j66b263c7v967e5b9a6c376520@mail.gmail.com> <4571952D.7040802@telly.org> <20061202113659.A14090@diamond.ss.org> <4386c5b20612020822n5d5e32ffo13217c368e76e903@mail.gmail.com> <4571B672.9040108@telly.org> Message-ID: About a year ago, I cloned a driver with dd, but they were identical, and I didn't have to do anything, I just swapped them physically, and everything was exactly the same, it was pretty cool. The reason you're having problems is likely related to the IDE to SATA switch. To use dd or even cp successfully, you need to edit your grub.conf, and fstab, at the bare minimum. There may be more stuff that I'm unaware of as well, but you couldn't possibly expect dd to work in your case without changing your grub.conf and fstab, and then possibly chrooting in and running grub-setup (see the Gentoo handbook ;) Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 12:53:19 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 07:53:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Usual mindless self promotion Message-ID: <20061203125320.10157.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> My interview with Pamela Jones of Groklaw fame can be seen in the December 2006 issue (#20) of Tux Magazine, pages 18 - 20. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 13:51:15 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 08:51:15 -0500 Subject: compaq deskpro en errors In-Reply-To: <20061201154259.3089.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061201154259.3089.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4572D653.4090508@vianet.ca> Sorry for the top post. I'll assume that as there were no replies to this it's a scary enough problem that I won't be able to troubleshoot it. I reinstalled FC2 and will leave that on for while before I upgrade to FC4. So far, so good. Chris caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > I bought a second-hand PC, installed FC2 on it. My son used it for a > week or so without issue. He plays games on website then gets off. > Recently after logging on he got the errors: > An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information > for gnome-settings-daemon. Some of your configuration settings may not > work properly. > Here's an excerpt from that error's Details box: > Failed to con? configuration server, some possible causes are tat you > need to enable TCP/IP networking or ORBit, or you have stale NTS locks > due to a system crash... > A separate, concomitant error: > Error activating XKB configuration. It can happen under various > circumstances: > a bug in libxklavier > - a bug in Xserver (xkbcomp, xmodmap utilities) > X server with incompatable libxkbfile inplementation > I'm always in awe that there are people that understand this stuff but > I am not one of them. I didn't want to lose the installation of > macromedia flash and all the stuff that makes printing to the hp psc > 1610 possible, so, rather than do a reinstall, I did an upgrade to FC4 > hoping the errors would not be still be there. I was surprised to see > the errors did persist through the upgrade. > The computer: > Compaq Deskpro EN (722 Mhz processor I think) > 256 MB RAM > Video: Matrox Millenium G400 > Monitor: Compaq S710 Colour > Sound: [Intel Corp.] ?82801AA AC'97 Audio? snd-intel 8x0 > NIC: 3c905C-TX/TX-M[Tornado] (eth0) > Any ideas that I could try? > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lr1003-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 14:24:31 2006 From: lr1003-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Yang) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 06:24:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: OT: XP fail to reboot Message-ID: <20061203142431.37280.qmail@web52015.mail.yahoo.com> Hello All, I did a defragment, then chkdsk /f to an xp machine and it failed to reboot, i got a bluescreen with session5_initialization_failed error. I have looked up some online resources and replaced windows\system32\ntdll.dll using bartpe live cd. The error is still there. I wonder whether someone else here had similar experiences and any help will be highly appreciated. Best wishes, Michael ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 14:54:03 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 09:54:03 -0500 Subject: OT: XP fail to reboot In-Reply-To: <20061203142431.37280.qmail-DpsbK4hCPC+A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20061203142431.37280.qmail@web52015.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4572E50B.5040508@utoronto.ca> Michael Yang wrote: > Hello All, > > I did a defragment, then chkdsk /f to an xp machine and it failed to > reboot, i got a bluescreen with session5_initialization_failed error. > > I have looked up some online resources and replaced > windows\system32\ntdll.dll using bartpe live cd. The error is still > there. I wonder whether someone else here had similar experiences and > any help will be highly appreciated. Have you tried googling for the stop code and error? In a worst case scenario you might have to recover your data (using the BartPE or a Linux Live CD) and reinstall XP. Good Luck. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 16:12:18 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 11:12:18 -0500 Subject: OT: Vista Prices Slashed (was dinner is served) Message-ID: <1165162338.3935.5.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Georgia-Pacific Vista (tm) and Jumbo Vista (tm) prices slashed. Take advantage of these offers at: http://www.wholesalejanitorialsupply.com/I/1076-GEORGIA-PACIFIC-Gray-Jumbo-Vista%E2%84%A2-Twin-Bathroom-Tissue-Dispenser/ http://www.comfortablecastle.com/2006/09/27/thank-goodness-for-jumbo-vista-tissue-dispenser/ http://www.amazon.com/Jumbo-Single-Bathroom-Tissue-Dispenser-11/dp/B0006386WA RickT -- "Replacing desktops one PC at a time" http://www.TorontoNUI.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 16:58:02 2006 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 11:58:02 -0500 Subject: Usual mindless self promotion In-Reply-To: <20061203125320.10157.qmail-DooQHYYYUaiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20061203125320.10157.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 03/12/06, Colin McGregor wrote: > > My interview with Pamela Jones of Groklaw fame can be > seen in the December 2006 issue (#20) of Tux Magazine, > pages 18 - 20 Hardly mindless, Colin, shameless perhaps (as it should be) congratulations, quite a coup ! keep it up and we'll be saying "we knew him when..." djp -- djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org www.linuxcaffe.ca geek chic and caffe cachet 326 Harbord Street, Toronto, M6G 3A5, (416) 534-2116 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 19:51:35 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 14:51:35 -0500 Subject: moving to a larger hard drive... In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061203195135.GA7840@wp.magstar.net> On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 12:11:15AM -0500, Aaron Vegh wrote: > Hi TLUGers, > I've got a mythtv system that had a 30GB drive. Predictably, I have > now purchased a 320GB drive to replace it. Now, given the hassle > involved in getting the system working (and it's just right!), you can > imagine I'd much rather just duplicate the drive onto the larger one. > However, the dd command proved less than useful! It created a > duplicate but seemed to have made my drive 30GB in size. Plus, the > resulting drive wouldn't boot the computer (a problem with Grub, > perhaps? It stalls at a flashing cursor on boot, suggesting it doesn't > see a boot drive). > > Further complicating factors include the fact that the old drive is > IDE, the new drive is SATA2. We're moving from /dev/hda to /dev/sda. > > I've read online that dd will simply replicate the partition, but > there must be a way to move files across such that it'll boot? > > Any advice you can give would be tremendously helpful. Solution 1: Leave it alone. Solution 2: Assuming that hda1 and sda1 are the root partitions. Boot from some live CD or USB key. mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/new mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/old cd /mnt/old cp -ax . /mnt/new chroot /mnt/new lilo (or grub-install /dev/sda) You may need to create /dev/... in /mnt/new. Rinse and repeat. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 20:05:52 2006 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 15:05:52 -0500 Subject: looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> Message-ID: <1f13df280612031205o669427f8sf45f8ae2c752e6d@mail.gmail.com> A little added info on domain registration (not hosting) ... On 12/2/06, Christopher Browne wrote: > > Is it best to buy a domain from a different place rather than getting > > the domain plus hosting service from the same company? > > There's no technical reason to prefer to have the hosting service > arrange for domain name registration, and some reasons why to prefer > NOT to share that with them. I second this: buy your domain names separately from your hosting. The initial setup is a little more annoying, but your hosting provider (who should have a good help system after quizzing GTALUG :-) can walk you through any potential problems. Christopher Browne covered the ugly scenarios that can happen if you don't own the names yourself - and believe me, they're real. I registered some of my domain names with a local TO company, budgetnames.ca - their parent company also owns lowcostdomains.ca and registeryour.ca, but budgetnames.ca is the cheapest of the three (it offers less services). At the time I didn't have a credit card, and I needed a place I could walk in with cash. They haven't been enormously helpful, but it's been fine and they're both local and cheap. So ... kind of a half-assed recommendation. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 20:58:42 2006 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 15:58:42 -0500 Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: References: <200612021559.58732.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <200612031558.42717.mervc@eol.ca> On Sunday 03 December 2006 01:52, Simon wrote: > The installer doesn't let you manually specify how to use the > partitions on the drive? Yikes... Perhaps you should make do with a > more mainstream distribution - I've never thought it necessary to have > a whole separate distribution just for the sake of one piece of > software. Perhaps if it's a group of niche software and you want to > ensure that the latest copies get included, but even then, a > repository or overlay will do that just as well. > > Simon > Nope, I find it odd also, but KnoppMyth wants a whole drive all to itself. I assume so they have complete control based on past experiences. Lennart has said that the new version of MythTV on Debian is more up to date, but KnoppMyth comes with a lot of config utilities which supposedly make the setup easier. Not so far for me... -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 21:00:29 2006 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 16:00:29 -0500 Subject: Usual mindless self promotion In-Reply-To: <20061203125320.10157.qmail-DooQHYYYUaiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20061203125320.10157.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200612031600.29741.mervc@eol.ca> On Sunday 03 December 2006 07:53, Colin McGregor wrote: > My interview with Pamela Jones of Groklaw fame can be > seen in the December 2006 issue (#20) of Tux Magazine, > pages 18 - 20. > I enjoyed the article also. Did it end up at one half of your submission or did the editors leave it alone? -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 22:43:50 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 17:43:50 -0500 Subject: report cards read-only on floppy In-Reply-To: <456C6B17.3090207-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <456C6B17.3090207@telly.org> Message-ID: <45735326.5030509@vianet.ca> Evan Leibovitch wrote: >Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >>I hate to ask the obvious, but have you attempted inserting a new blank floppy, and seeing if the problem persists? >> >> >> >Continuing with the 'eliminate the obvious' track, are you sure that the >write-protect thingy is in the correct position on the disk, that it's >covering the hole? > > Yes. >Can you write to it from a Windows system? > Yeah - maybe that is the problem. I started witht he floppy in the linux box, then took it out of town, modified the .doc (OpenOffice files) files in Word, saved them to the floppy and took it home and had all this trouble getting into them on the linux box. So, did the Windows machine do something to the files so that they are flagged a read-only in linux, or, maybe more exactly, did it do something to the filesystem to mark it as read-only in linux? the only reason I'm putting all this effort into this, is because I typically have feew/small enough files that I need to modify on different machines here and there that a floppy (as a medium) is fine for me. >Or any other system? Before >you agonize over mount options (using 'mtools' allows you to read and >write to DOS-formatted floppies without mounting), just ensure that this >particular floppy isn't read-only everywhere. > >I take it that USB flash/pen drives (smaller, more capacity, less flaky, >and 128MB ones are now under $10) are not an option? > >- Evan > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 23:06:21 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 18:06:21 -0500 Subject: report cards read-only on floppy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4573586D.2020401@vianet.ca> Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: >I hate to ask the obvious, but have you attempted inserting a new blank >floppy, and seeing if the >problem persists? > > I tried to format (just usingf the GUI 'Floppy Formatter') - sure enough I got an error: Problem reading cylinder 2, expected 18432, read 4096 So, I inserted another floppy, it formatted successfully, I copied files onto it, and opend a file (*not* read-only) in OpenOffice! >The reason I am asking, is that floppy drives are mechanical devices that >can easily fail due to >dust and debris. > Doesn't look like mechanical failure but your troubleshooting idea uncovered the real problem: a damaged floppy disk. >I have seen in the past where the microswitch that checks >if the write protect tab >had stuck / failed and all disks seems to be read only. > > Thanks to everyone for your help. Sorry I was a bit thick. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 3 23:24:45 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 18:24:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Usual mindless self promotion In-Reply-To: <200612031600.29741.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200612031600.29741.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <387513.41751.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Merv Curley wrote: > On Sunday 03 December 2006 07:53, Colin McGregor > wrote: > > My interview with Pamela Jones of Groklaw fame can > be > > seen in the December 2006 issue (#20) of Tux > Magazine, > > pages 18 - 20. > > > I enjoyed the article also. Did it end up at one > half of your submission or > did the editors leave it alone? The editor wanted 1000 words, and as submitted the interview was about 1,200 words. I have not gone over the interview as published word for word, but as far as I can tell the only bit that the editor did was put in the heading "The author of the Web site that sank the SCO ship", words I would not have picked. Granted SCO has taken some torpedo hits, and there are clearly more torpedoes in the water aimed at SCO, but the @#$% company is still (barely) afloat. Next interview will be with someone I have meet (briefly) on several occasions (thought that doesn't come up in the interview), in different cities, always at science fiction conventions. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 02:29:13 2006 From: crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Michael Hong) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 21:29:13 -0500 Subject: looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> Message-ID: <20061204022913.GC12064@sechs.mushy.xyz> On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:02 -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > There's no technical reason to prefer to have the hosting service > arrange for domain name registration, and some reasons why to prefer > NOT to share that with them. > > If they arrange for domain registration, and even maybe pay for it, > then *they* are the registrant for the domain, and if you ever have > reason to walk away to another hosting provider, you may have to walk > away from your domain name. I'd consider that plenty unacceptable. > > Before I went to moonbase.info, I was using a hosting service out of > Philadelphia. The company went under (I was nearly their only > customer, I gather), and I was left without website (and email) for a > little while. The fact that the domain registration was completely in > my name meant I had no trouble reactivating it against one of > moonbase's servers almost immediately. > > If jwshosting (old company) had been the registrant for my domain > names, I'd have been seriously screwed. There are mechanisms for > requesting transfers of domains, and disputing ownership; it's a > complete nightmare in comparison with your holding the authinfo for > your own domain names. Thanks for recounting your experience. Looks like I will be getting my domain name from a separate company. :) Does anyone use a service offered with some registrars called "private" whois registration or "whoisguard" or whatever... ? It looks useful so my home address, email, and phone number aren't all spammed senseless. Are there any disadvantages to getting something like this? Michael -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 02:30:58 2006 From: crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Michael Hong) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 21:30:58 -0500 Subject: looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: <1f13df280612031205o669427f8sf45f8ae2c752e6d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> <1f13df280612031205o669427f8sf45f8ae2c752e6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061204023058.GD12064@sechs.mushy.xyz> On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:05 -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > I second this: buy your domain names separately from your hosting. > The initial setup is a little more annoying, but your hosting provider > (who should have a good help system after quizzing GTALUG :-) can walk > you through any potential problems. Christopher Browne covered the > ugly scenarios that can happen if you don't own the names yourself - > and believe me, they're real. > > I registered some of my domain names with a local TO company, > budgetnames.ca - their parent company also owns lowcostdomains.ca and > registeryour.ca, but budgetnames.ca is the cheapest of the three (it > offers less services). At the time I didn't have a credit card, and I > needed a place I could walk in with cash. They haven't been > enormously helpful, but it's been fine and they're both local and > cheap. So ... kind of a half-assed recommendation. Thanks! I'll check those places out too. Michael -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 04:28:27 2006 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 23:28:27 -0500 Subject: looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: <20061204023058.GD12064-xT+M43ky570+K/Hi72W+XQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> <1f13df280612031205o669427f8sf45f8ae2c752e6d@mail.gmail.com> <20061204023058.GD12064@sechs.mushy.xyz> Message-ID: <7ac602420612032028l23f76832k6e6e2fc570e6a7e3@mail.gmail.com> Regarding hosting solutions, I have had good experiences with http://asmallorange.com. They offer a "Tiny" package, which is 75MB disk space, and 3GB/month transfer for 25 USD/year. If that's not enough, they also offer "Small", which is 400MB disk, 10GB/month transfer for 5 USD/month. There are larger plans called "Medium", "Large", and "Super". If you sign up with them and find yourself running out of space, they'll gladly upgrade your plan for you and give you a pro-rated credit for whatever you've already bought but not used. They also offer something they call "Extreme", which is basically cheap file storage--you can have 1500MB disk and 100GB/month transfer for 20 USD/month up to 6000MB disk and 500GB/month transfer for 60 USD/month--but you can't run any scripts, or anything--it's purely for static content. IIRC, they don't give you ssh access by default, but all it takes is to request it. I think they try to limit ssh access to those people who know what it is so that they can keep the number of open ports down. They're also very reasonable about handing out "free" features. In other words, they don't artificially limit anything. You can have as many MySQL or PostgreSQL databases as fit in your disk space. You can have as many subdomains as you want, as many email addresses as you want, etc., etc. The only constraints are disk space and transfer. The tech support is also timely and helpful. I didn't have many problems when I was using their service, but whatever issues I had were dealt with quickly, efficiently, and very much to my satisfaction. Apparently, they also have some kind of referral service, but I'm not a customer of theirs anymore, so this "review" is not going to get me anything. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 05:05:22 2006 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 00:05:22 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <1164931370.3563.67.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <547316.40043.qm@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1164921148.3931.42.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <20061130215830.GA27009@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <1164929903.3931.60.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <1164931370.3563.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20061204000522.673688fb@node1.freeyourmachine.org> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:02:50 -0500 John Van Ostrand got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > Think about the charitable organizations that will be able to > communicate to these people. Want a better pump for irrigation? Here's a > plan using parts common to the third world. How about health > information, crop information. > > I see this as a way to get the information people need to survive and > improve their lives. All true, but to me the most important result of something like this, were it to be 'successful' (whatever that may imply), is not so much that *they* will get to learn more about what *we* think is important, but that *we*, so deeply inured in our silly Western culture of greed and self-righteousness, will finally be confronted with reality when these people start broadcasting *their* values and *their* experiences. We far too often forget that we, the so-called 'advanced' and 'educated', and 'developed' (AKA 'disconnected', 'brainwashed', and 'spoiled'), really represent only a very tiny fraction of this planet's population. The rest of the world had been forced to accept only our perspective, a ridiculously narrow one at that. Hopefully this endeavour will complete the 'feedback loop' that Harold Innes (can't remember which book...) described as absolutely essential for a stable, cohesive, and *realistic* community. But then, they said that about books, radio, and television too. Unfortunately, any new medium of two-way communication is perceived as a threat to entrenched interests (religious, economic, or political...well, mainly economic, the others are just smokescreens anyway), and immediately subjected to the most rigorous and draconian bureaucratic control. Can't have the 'masses' gaining access to the inputs, messes up ye ol' power structure (Galbraith, The New Industrial State for more on that). -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "That's one small step for Fry..." -Fry "...and one giant line for admission." -stranger in line -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 07:16:35 2006 From: shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (James. Q Li) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 23:16:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: <20061202201703.GB6318-xT+M43ky570+K/Hi72W+XQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> Message-ID: <558294.85041.qm@web58701.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- Michael Hong wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for shared web hosting for ~ $5 - $15 / month. I don't have > any content really :) but I thought it's about time I got my own domain. > Also, I'd like to play around with the usual LAMP stuff... > > Has anyone anything good or bad to say about any of the following > services? > > http://www.hostgator.com/ > http://www.inmotionhosting.com/ > http://www.bluehost.com/ > http://www.dreamhost.com/ > http://www.spry.com/ > > http://www.vpslink.com/ > - this one looks interesting... a cheap linux vps I am using vplink hosting. the link-3 package. I got it in july while in promotion for $13/m. all packages are unmanaged so you need to know what you are doing. support is bit of slow but responsive otherwise. my server runs mostly fine but lately the ssh connection has been sluggish. the vpslink guys are working on it.. you can check out the forum to find out other user feekbacks. i would recommend it from my experience so far. btw, vpslink is a child company of spry. J. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 14:17:13 2006 From: jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 09:17:13 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 6 In-Reply-To: <20061202165503.B15933-l+PWtdWbHAuXFJAUJl40Xg@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202114403.B14090@diamond.ss.org> <4571B3DF.30908@utoronto.ca> <20061202165503.B15933@diamond.ss.org> Message-ID: <45742DE9.9020302@totaltravelmarketing.com> billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org wrote: > On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 12:11:59PM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > >> billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org wrote: >> >>> Okay I finally got my grubby little hands on the latest and greatest and plan to do a full reinstall. Has anyone any warnings about Fedora 6 that should be taken into account? >>> >>> Tomorrow is my designated date of install. I am presently doing a full backup of the parts that I can't live without or don't know if I can live without. >>> >>> I will post my comments here, and possibly as notes on the wiki. >>> >> selinux will suck out your soul if you aren't careful. Use the default >> option in the installer unless you need or are a wizard with selinux. >> -- >> > I have been there and I understand. I did spend many hours solving the selinux nightmare with fedora 5, and I am hoping that the configurations I backed up will just work. > > Bill > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > Hi there How it went your Fedora install?, I tried install it last week, and it went awful, lots of problems during install, after reboot, darn thing it wouldn't boot at all J -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 14:42:30 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:42:30 -0500 Subject: moving to a larger hard drive... In-Reply-To: <20061203195135.GA7840-SBOj+Tp9hCvc29vQ/UIUOA@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709@mail.gmail.com> <20061203195135.GA7840@wp.magstar.net> Message-ID: <4386c5b20612040642o6f29bd49g41a7d6b7b4437ccc@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Turns out it was in fact much easier to "simply" re-install the OS and MythTV on the new drive, and then move the necessary files over from the old. Evan was right on: having done it a couple times already, it was pretty easy to get the install done right, the first time. It's amazing, actually, how much MythTV has progressed in this regard, compared to the old days...! Cheers, Aaron. On 12/3/06, William Park wrote: > On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 12:11:15AM -0500, Aaron Vegh wrote: > > Hi TLUGers, > > I've got a mythtv system that had a 30GB drive. Predictably, I have > > now purchased a 320GB drive to replace it. Now, given the hassle > > involved in getting the system working (and it's just right!), you can > > imagine I'd much rather just duplicate the drive onto the larger one. > > However, the dd command proved less than useful! It created a > > duplicate but seemed to have made my drive 30GB in size. Plus, the > > resulting drive wouldn't boot the computer (a problem with Grub, > > perhaps? It stalls at a flashing cursor on boot, suggesting it doesn't > > see a boot drive). > > > > Further complicating factors include the fact that the old drive is > > IDE, the new drive is SATA2. We're moving from /dev/hda to /dev/sda. > > > > I've read online that dd will simply replicate the partition, but > > there must be a way to move files across such that it'll boot? > > > > Any advice you can give would be tremendously helpful. > > Solution 1: > Leave it alone. > > Solution 2: > Assuming that hda1 and sda1 are the root partitions. Boot from some > live CD or USB key. > > mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/new > mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/old > cd /mnt/old > cp -ax . /mnt/new > chroot /mnt/new > lilo (or grub-install /dev/sda) > > You may need to create /dev/... in /mnt/new. Rinse and repeat. > > -- > William Park , Toronto, Canada > ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive > http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html > BashDiff: Super Bash shell > http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 16:04:33 2006 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:04:33 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <4570AC5E.8030709-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <261357.57568.qm@web88215.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <45705EDC.8010901@telly.org> <50819.207.188.66.20.1165001105.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4570AC5E.8030709@telly.org> Message-ID: <92ee967a0612040804u4b545ce6rb033479ace514831@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/06, Evan Leibovitch wrote: ... > The new generation of games systems are internet-capable, and the only > thing preventing them from being able to run conventional PC apps are > CPU differences and input devices (ie, keyboards -- most game consoles > could easily act as pointing devices). You mentioned the Commodore and > Atari, two systems that were indeed more popular for games than > "business" apps -- how different are they -- conceptually -- from > putting a keyboard on a PS3, XBox or Wii? .. There's one difference conceptually... The Commodore and Atari could be used to develop the games which were being played. Most handheld computers and video game consoles have no ability to develop software at all. It's a small difference, but I think it's important. It means that while they're good portable devices, they won't empower their end-users to create new material and they'll always be tethered somehow to a more expensive development rig. With the OSS and general purpose computer nature of the OLPC project, I would be very surprised if children could not install a compiler and start hacking away :-) -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 16:17:27 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:17:27 -0500 Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: <200612031558.42717.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200612021559.58732.mervc@eol.ca> <200612031558.42717.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: I've tried my hand at setting up mythtv on Ubuntu 6.06, and it seemed fairly straightforward (you have to install some packages, then run a config wizard as the mythtv user), the problem was that I was trying to get mythtv and my tuner card working at the same time, and the card took a while. By the time I had figured it out, I had settled on using tvtime instead for tuning, because I didn't really need mythtv, I don't watch regularly. Now that I think about it, the ability to schedule recordings and watch them later would probably change that.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 16:34:16 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:34:16 -0500 Subject: compaq deskpro en errors In-Reply-To: <4572D653.4090508-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20061201154259.3089.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <4572D653.4090508@vianet.ca> Message-ID: Out of curiosity, is there any reason why you are using FC2 instead of something more up to date? Also, on a related note, this week flash 9 got backported into Ubuntu 6.10's multiverse repository, and the newer package actually works, so I no longer have to install flash manually. Of the two errors you mention, the first one is new to me, but the XKB one is probably related to GNOME trying and failing to change keyboard settings. It may be fixable by restoring the relevant settings to the default, either by deleting the right files in your /home directory or by resetting values in gconf-editor - then gnome wouldn't try to change anything, and that error won't happen. I can't remember off the top of my head which folder to delete or which keys to reset in gconf-editor, but you can test this by creating a new user and seeing if the errors are present there as well. If not, then it is indeed a preferences issue. Either way, it's an annoying error and it's not your fault that it's happening, I think. Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 16:46:23 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:46:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: <200612031558.42717.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200612031558.42717.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <606014.53886.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Merv Curley wrote: > On Sunday 03 December 2006 01:52, Simon wrote: > > The installer doesn't let you manually specify how > to use the > > partitions on the drive? Yikes... Perhaps you > should make do with a > > more mainstream distribution - I've never thought > it necessary to have > > a whole separate distribution just for the sake of > one piece of > > software. Perhaps if it's a group of niche > software and you want to > > ensure that the latest copies get included, but > even then, a > > repository or overlay will do that just as well. > > > > Simon > > > Nope, I find it odd also, but KnoppMyth wants a > whole drive all to itself. I > assume so they have complete control based on past > experiences. Not quite that simple, if you use the manual install option KnoppMyth will try and put everything into the first partition, and as long as that first partion is 5+ GB all is well. So, what I did for one KnoppMyth box was: - Boot into Knoppix, basicly partition the drive the way I wanted, just made sure hda1 was 5 GB. Key point in this process was I wanted /myth (which stores TV shows) to be on hdc1. - Boot into KnoppMyth, do basic install. - Boot back into Knoppix, shifting things around, edit /etc/fstab . - Re-boot box and complete configuration of MythTV A bit messy, but no real problems along the way. Colin McGregor > Lennart has said that the new version of MythTV on > Debian is more up to date, > but KnoppMyth comes with a lot of config utilities > which supposedly make the > setup easier. Not so far for me... > > > -- > Merv Curley > Toronto, Ont. Can > > Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 > Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 16:47:19 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:47:19 -0500 Subject: php and me don't get alone... help? In-Reply-To: <200611302104.53053.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <456E506E.9000706@alteeve.com> <456F0D86.4010500@alteeve.com> <200611301840.33758.softquake@gmail.com> <200611302104.53053.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: You may like Gentoo better than Debian for this reason, as well as mroe flexibility in configuring packages at build-time (since packages are built when you install them). OTOH, Gentoo doesn't assume sane defaults for many packages, instead requiring you to figure out your defaults yourself. On 11/30/06, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > One annoyance with Debian I've found is that very few of the init > scripts support the "status" option so I can't do something like: > > service apache2 status > > like I can on an RPM based system. The only package I've found that > supports the "status" option so far is PostgreSQL. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 16:47:57 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:47:57 -0500 Subject: php and me don't get alone... help? In-Reply-To: References: <456E506E.9000706@alteeve.com> <456F0D86.4010500@alteeve.com> <200611301840.33758.softquake@gmail.com> <200611302104.53053.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: To clarify, I don't mean that Gentoo will use bad defaults, but that it won't set up any defaults at all. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 16:57:15 2006 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:57:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: php and me don't get alone... help? In-Reply-To: References: <456E506E.9000706@alteeve.com> <456F0D86.4010500@alteeve.com> <200611301840.33758.softquake@gmail.com> <200611302104.53053.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Simon wrote: > To clarify, I don't mean that Gentoo will use bad defaults, but that > it won't set up any defaults at all. If it has to be set up, it's not a default. -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 18:07:47 2006 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 04 Dec 2006 13:07:47 -0500 Subject: LPI Exams Dec 2nd Schedule In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880612011629o4e9a99feqf82800ef2d1e648b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880612011629o4e9a99feqf82800ef2d1e648b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Dave Germiquet" writes: > Is there any schedule for LPIC exams or can anyone just pick and choose > when they get there? pick and choose. Thanks to the guys the showed up, too. Regards, -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 19:01:59 2006 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:01:59 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0612040804u4b545ce6rb033479ace514831-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <261357.57568.qm@web88215.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <45705EDC.8010901@telly.org> <50819.207.188.66.20.1165001105.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4570AC5E.8030709@telly.org> <92ee967a0612040804u4b545ce6rb033479ace514831@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mike Kallies wrote: > With the OSS and general purpose computer nature of the OLPC project, > I would be very surprised if children could not install a compiler and > start hacking away :-) There'd be no need to install anything. The Sugar Human Interface is implemented in Python. See: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Python_Environment http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Human_Interface_Guidelines Also, the main educational software is the squeakland.org version of Squeak/Etoys. See: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Etoys Underlying Etoys is Squeak/Smalltalk. So out of the box, there'll be two programming environments available to "hackers". -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 19:06:56 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:06:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: References: <261357.57568.qm@web88215.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <45705EDC.8010901@telly.org> <50819.207.188.66.20.1165001105.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4570AC5E.8030709@telly.org> <92ee967a0612040804u4b545ce6rb033479ace514831@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50456.207.188.66.20.1165259216.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > There'd be no need to install anything. The Sugar Human Interface > is implemented in Python. See: > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Python_Environment > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Human_Interface_Guidelines > What, no Microsoft BASIC? -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 19:17:12 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:17:12 -0500 Subject: compaq deskpro en errors In-Reply-To: References: <20061201154259.3089.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <4572D653.4090508@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20061204191713.25551.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Simon writes: > Out of curiosity, is there any reason why you are using FC2 instead of > something more up to date? I just happen to have the CDs, and it's worked on my business' two PCs for years without incident. Seems to handle mulitmedia well (Audacity, Rosegarden). > Also, on a related note, this week flash 9 got backported into Ubuntu > 6.10's multiverse repository, and the newer package actually works, so > I no longer have to install flash manually. That's neat. > Of the two errors you mention, the first one is new to me, but the XKB > one is probably related to GNOME trying and failing to change keyboard > settings. It may be fixable by restoring the relevant settings to > the default, either by deleting the right files in your /home > directory or by resetting values in gconf-editor - then gnome wouldn't > try to change anything, and that error won't happen. I can't remember > off the top of my head which folder to delete or which keys to reset > in gconf-editor, but you can test this by creating a new user and > seeing if the errors are present there as well. If not, then it is > indeed a preferences issue. Either way, it's an annoying error and > it's not your fault that it's happening, I think. Thanks for explaining all of this. Chris > Simon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 19:21:20 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:21:20 -0500 Subject: php and me don't get alone... help? In-Reply-To: References: <456E506E.9000706@alteeve.com> <456F0D86.4010500@alteeve.com> <200611301840.33758.softquake@gmail.com> <200611302104.53053.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: To the user it is... if a Debian package installs a default config file, the user sees that as the default config. Gentoo, on the other hand, won't install a default config, usually they will install instructions along with a well commented config file, and the user will have to figure out what they want on their own, since there is no default config. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 19:39:42 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:39:42 -0500 Subject: Changing Konqueror's icon In-Reply-To: <1e55af990612011012w4a897ad0wd62d23b8006ee337-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1e55af990612010734v78a583e1n2595e4b1fd948dfe@mail.gmail.com> <7ac602420612010805y58bb4a77k30b7f500fd40621c@mail.gmail.com> <1e55af990612011012w4a897ad0wd62d23b8006ee337@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That's why that's the only filename that can be used: it's hardcoded into the browser, yet another wonderful design casualty.. er, decision, from Browser War I. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 20:04:18 2006 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:04:18 -0500 Subject: switch email address Message-ID: <20061204200418.11610.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Can someone send me the eamil address to unsubscribe to tlug and the email address to subscribe? I googled for this (as I don't have my monthly tlug subscribe/unsubscribe email at the PC I'm at right now). I went to the website and found it a little confusing. has the organization changed names from tlug to gtalug, but the list name/email remained the same? (Yes, I've been under a rock :)) I want to switch the email address that list mail goes to. Assuming I can do all this from webmail as long as I change the From address... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 20:11:09 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:11:09 -0500 Subject: switch email address In-Reply-To: <20061204200418.11610.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061204200418.11610.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: on http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists, it says: Please send a mail to: tlug-request-HcP7FbCj2GFAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org And in the body of the message, place only: "subscribe" to subscribe or "unsubscribe" to unsubscribe, without the quotes. Simon On 12/4/06, caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > Can someone send me the eamil address to unsubscribe to tlug and the email > address to subscribe? I googled for this (as I don't have my monthly tlug > subscribe/unsubscribe email at the PC I'm at right now). I went to the > website and found it a little confusing. has the organization changed names > from tlug to gtalug, but the list name/email remained the same? (Yes, I've > been under a rock :)) I want to switch the email address that list mail goes > to. Assuming I can do all this from webmail as long as I change the From > address... > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 20:14:26 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:14:26 -0500 Subject: php and me don't get alone... help? In-Reply-To: References: <456E506E.9000706@alteeve.com> <456F0D86.4010500@alteeve.com> <200611301840.33758.softquake@gmail.com> <200611302104.53053.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: Simon wrote: > To the user it is... if a Debian package installs a default config > file, the user sees that as the default config. Gentoo, on the other > hand, won't install a default config, usually they will install > instructions along with a well commented config file, and the user > will have to figure out what they want on their own, since there is no > default config. Lots of Debian packages have a packagename-sample.tar.gz in /usr/share/doc that constitutes the entirety of the default config, usually just as well commented and configured with just enough to get the package running. Just depends on the package. Some packages untar the file into /etc for your convenience. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 20:34:02 2006 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy David Mills) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:34:02 -0500 Subject: Innovationfusion-mythtv Message-ID: http://innovationfusion.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21 2GB per 30 minutes? I use 2000/2000 as my default recording profile. makes about ~580MB per 30 minutes. Recordings played back at that quality look quite good. Then again; whatever floats your boat. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 20:40:39 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:40:39 -0500 Subject: Innovationfusion-mythtv In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hah! 2GB for 30 mins... I would have thought that a few hundred megs is enough. I've crammed 20 min into 14.5MB to get it on my phone, which was not meant to have full family guy episodes crammed on it. The novelty wore off quite fast, because I would need to watch a second time on my PC to be able to see things clearly. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 20:41:11 2006 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:41:11 -0500 Subject: Problems with pdftotext In-Reply-To: <20061022010001.GB24403-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20061022010001.GB24403@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <457487E7.30806@interlog.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > I intend to write a blog entrey, and possibly send a letter about Ms. > Cavoukian's support of "The 7 Laws". I want to include a point-by-point > refutation of some of her more outrageous whoppers. I downloaded the > PDF file from the Ontario government website, and ran it through > pdf2text, so I could include quotes from it. Let's just say that the > translation didn't come out 100% perfect. The problems include... I recently had a need to convert two PDF files to HTML. I told yum to install pdftohtml. It installed the package poppler-tools which has several PDF to something programs. I wasn't too happy with the result. I then checked the web sites and found their was source for a version of the program newer than what I had just installed. The version I built and installed from source worked much better and gave me what I needed. I would suggest you check to see if there is a newer version of the pdftotext program available on the net. If so, build it and install it. If you are lucky(? like I was), you will find it works better for you should you need it again in the future. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 4 21:31:09 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:31:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Innovationfusion-mythtv In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061204213109.71769.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Teddy David Mills wrote: http://innovationfusion.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21 > > > > > 2GB per 30 minutes? > I use 2000/2000 as my default recording profile. > makes about ~580MB per > 30 minutes. > Recordings played back at that quality look quite > good. > Then again; whatever floats your boat. The default setting for KnoppMyth is 2.1 GB per hour of analog TV (not sure what the default numbers are for HD TV, higher obviously, maybe they are refering to recording in HDTV). Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 00:19:28 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 19:19:28 -0500 Subject: Innovationfusion-mythtv In-Reply-To: <20061204213109.71769.qmail-2K+iNxKRQwOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20061204213109.71769.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I suppose they don't want anybody to realize after the fact that they don't like the default bitrate.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 00:32:59 2006 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 19:32:59 -0500 Subject: Humour? Message-ID: <200612041933.00005.coco-bounces@maltedmedia.com> Picked this up from another list. Some ladies may not be amused, you are warned... http://just-humour.blogspot.com/2006/11/programming-languages-are-like-women-by.html -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 00:46:46 2006 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 19:46:46 -0500 Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: <606014.53886.qm-JoSsSUNfUciB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <606014.53886.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200612041946.46390.mervc@eol.ca> On Monday 04 December 2006 11:46, Colin McGregor wrote: > > Not quite that simple, if you use the manual install > option KnoppMyth will try and put everything into the > first partition, and as long as that first partion is > 5+ GB all is well. So, what I did for one KnoppMyth > box was: > Using the auto install as a guide, I cfdisk'd that drive so hda1 and swap were the same as the auto install, made hda3 smaller than 300 gigs and added extended and a couple of 10 gig logical partitions. Now that I know to use manual install, all should be well in case of Knopp Myth re-installs in the future. Thanks Colin and Simon. -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 01:22:03 2006 From: crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Michael Hong) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:22:03 -0500 Subject: looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: <7ac602420612032028l23f76832k6e6e2fc570e6a7e3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> <1f13df280612031205o669427f8sf45f8ae2c752e6d@mail.gmail.com> <20061204023058.GD12064@sechs.mushy.xyz> <7ac602420612032028l23f76832k6e6e2fc570e6a7e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061205012203.GA17080@sechs.mushy.xyz> On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:28 -0500, Ian Petersen wrote: > Regarding hosting solutions, I have had good experiences with > http://asmallorange.com. They offer a "Tiny" package, which is 75MB > disk space, and 3GB/month transfer for 25 USD/year. If that's not > enough, they also offer "Small", which is 400MB disk, 10GB/month > transfer for 5 USD/month. There are larger plans called "Medium", > "Large", and "Super". > > If you sign up with them and find yourself running out of space, > they'll gladly upgrade your plan for you and give you a pro-rated > credit for whatever you've already bought but not used. > > They also offer something they call "Extreme", which is basically > cheap file storage--you can have 1500MB disk and 100GB/month transfer > for 20 USD/month up to 6000MB disk and 500GB/month transfer for 60 > USD/month--but you can't run any scripts, or anything--it's purely for > static content. > > IIRC, they don't give you ssh access by default, but all it takes is > to request it. I think they try to limit ssh access to those people > who know what it is so that they can keep the number of open ports > down. > > They're also very reasonable about handing out "free" features. In > other words, they don't artificially limit anything. You can have as > many MySQL or PostgreSQL databases as fit in your disk space. You can > have as many subdomains as you want, as many email addresses as you > want, etc., etc. The only constraints are disk space and transfer. > > The tech support is also timely and helpful. I didn't have many > problems when I was using their service, but whatever issues I had > were dealt with quickly, efficiently, and very much to my > satisfaction. > > Apparently, they also have some kind of referral service, but I'm not > a customer of theirs anymore, so this "review" is not going to get me > anything. Thanks for mentioning them, some of the places I'm considering don't offer a shell. I guess there are pros and cons to that, no shell, fewer worries about malicious people creating havoc on the shared server maybe. If I pick a place by most interesting name and tidiest website (which I may :) ) I'll definitely go with them. Michael -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 02:02:17 2006 From: crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Michael Hong) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 21:02:17 -0500 Subject: looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: <558294.85041.qm-El0bwJB/JCKB9c0Qi4KiSlZ8N9CAUha/QQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> <558294.85041.qm@web58701.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061205020217.GB17080@sechs.mushy.xyz> On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:16 -0800, James. Q Li wrote: > > I am using vplink hosting. the link-3 package. I got it in july while > in promotion for $13/m. all packages are unmanaged so you need to know > what you are doing. support is bit of slow but responsive otherwise. > my server runs mostly fine but lately the ssh connection has been > sluggish. the vpslink guys are working on it.. you can check out the > forum to find out other user feekbacks. > > > i would recommend it from my experience so far. > > btw, vpslink is a child company of spry. I think I'm going to pass on vps at the moment. I spend too much time as it is messing about and breaking my test server so I think I'll be lazy, just point and click to get a few webpages up, and see if cpanel and its script installer is any good. Michael -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 02:43:42 2006 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:43:42 -0500 Subject: For $150, Third-World Laptop Stirs a Big Debate In-Reply-To: <50456.207.188.66.20.1165259216.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <261357.57568.qm@web88215.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <45705EDC.8010901@telly.org> <50819.207.188.66.20.1165001105.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <4570AC5E.8030709@telly.org> <92ee967a0612040804u4b545ce6rb033479ace514831@mail.gmail.com> <50456.207.188.66.20.1165259216.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > What, no Microsoft BASIC? Way way back, I worked on desktop publishing software on "developer" machines with the full complement of 640K of RAM. Not even a full meg. That's roughly the environment that MS BASIC was designed for. One of the reasons Python and Squeak/Smalltalk were chosen is that they provide decent performance and functionality for the resources they need. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 14:54:33 2006 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 05 Dec 2006 09:54:33 -0500 Subject: Humour? In-Reply-To: <200612041933.00005.coco-bounces-uNHYcr1XS/wmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org> References: <200612041933.00005.coco-bounces@maltedmedia.com> Message-ID: Merv Curley writes: > Picked this up from another list. Some ladies may not be amused, you are > warned... > > http://just-humour.blogspot.com/2006/11/programming-languages-are-like-women-by.html I guess Perl is still a man's man. -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 15:34:11 2006 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:34:11 -0500 Subject: Humour? Message-ID: <45759173.1020405@rogers.com> > I guess Perl is still a man's man. No she was just a somewhat funny character on Hee Haw. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 15:34:26 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:34:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: The usual mindless (shameless?) self promotion. Message-ID: <14187.2629.qm@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have a copy of the January 2007 issue of Linux Journal, and on pages 94-95 is my take on SpamAssassin. In some ways I am not that thrilled with the article. It was originally written for Tux Magazine, under a fairly tight deadline, and I don't consider it one of my best pieces. Still, I hope some folks will find it useful, and it does mean some money in my pocket :-) . Stuff that is currently completed and in the pipeline that I hope will be published somewhere soon are articles on: - Procmail - KnoppMyth - Interview with Eric S. Raymond - MP3 Players & Linux - Making the Linux Desktop look pretty - Where to get Linux Help In the last I made as much positive mention as I could regard the value of user groups, and user group mailing lists (with examples drawn from my experiences with GTALug and Unix Unanimous). Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 15:47:38 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:47:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Humour? In-Reply-To: <45759173.1020405-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <45759173.1020405@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20061205154738.98403.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- John McGregor wrote: > > I guess Perl is still a man's man. > No she was just a somewhat funny character on Hee > Haw. No, your thinking of Mini Pearl, on Hee Haw she was the older lady who was always wearing a big hat with price tag still attached. Her biography can be seen here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnie_Pearl Colin McGregor > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 15:54:12 2006 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 05 Dec 2006 10:54:12 -0500 Subject: Humour? In-Reply-To: <20061205154738.98403.qmail-iE2/U85ktn6B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20061205154738.98403.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Colin McGregor writes: > --- John McGregor wrote: > > > I guess Perl is still a man's man. > > No she was just a somewhat funny character on Hee > > Haw. > > No, your thinking of Mini Pearl, on Hee Haw she was Don't forget Fred Flintstone's mom-in-law... -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 17:38:29 2006 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:38:29 -0500 Subject: Wireless cards Message-ID: <200612051238.30005.mervc@eol.ca> A while back I purchased a wireless USB adaptor for my notebook, a DLink GA-122. Works very well with the windows driver and while there appears to be a Linux driver for it, I haven't a clue how to install it and even then there may be two packages to download and install. Life is so-o confusin. The Dlink is nice, comes with an extension cord and a stand so it doesn't have to be at floor level plugged into the desktop case. Can anyone suggest a USB [ is dongle the word?] unit that will work with the current 2.6.17 kernels? If it is generally available, that would be a help, I have no wish to go downtown to the College St area that some of you love so well. Factory Direct would be nice, :-) but I have many computer shops along Kennedy Rd in Scarborough. Incidentally, one of the shops with good prices [Canada Computers] is almost ready with a new big store with ample parking on Kennedy south of Ellesmere. The old White Rose Nurseries bldg. -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 18:03:20 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:03:20 -0500 Subject: Wireless cards In-Reply-To: <200612051238.30005.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200612051238.30005.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <4575B468.8090306@alteeve.com> Merv Curley wrote: > A while back I purchased a wireless USB adaptor for my notebook, a DLink > GA-122. Works very well with the windows driver and while there appears to > be a Linux driver for it, I haven't a clue how to install it and even then > there may be two packages to download and install. Life is so-o confusin. > The Dlink is nice, comes with an extension cord and a stand so it doesn't > have to be at floor level plugged into the desktop case. > > Can anyone suggest a USB [ is dongle the word?] unit that will work with the > current 2.6.17 kernels? If it is generally available, that would be a help, > I have no wish to go downtown to the College St area that some of you love so > well. Factory Direct would be nice, :-) but I have many computer shops > along Kennedy Rd in Scarborough. Incidentally, one of the shops with good > prices [Canada Computers] is almost ready with a new big store with ample > parking on Kennedy south of Ellesmere. The old White Rose Nurseries bldg. > This link: http://ch.tudelft.nl/~arthur/wpc54g/ Is for Debian/Linksys but it covers the steps needed to install the NDIS wrappers and so I think might be helpful. It was really easy to read and follow so if you just substitute your OS/Model you should be fine. Goodluck! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 18:27:33 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:27:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: <200612051207.47636.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200612051207.47636.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Merv Curley wrote: > Hello Colin > > I don't know if you have time to help privately, or > if it is better to ask my > dumb questions on the TLUG list regarding MythTV. > Maybe just read through > this and decide whether or not to write up something > general for an article, > or point me to some insight. I am in no rush to get > this working, so don't > feel any pressure to reply other than an > acknowledgement of rcpt. Well, I am cc'ing this to the list because I am sure if your having these problems then likely someone else is having the same problems. I currently have an article on KnoppMyth awaiting publication, that just focuses on installation/configuration. > I bought a refurb'd Gateway computer with XP Media > and a Hauppage PVR 150 > card. However the Hauppage doesn't have any way to > connect a remote control. > So I removed it and installed the Adaptec Videoh! > card that I purchased > several weeks back. The remote seems to work well > with the Win software > supplied by Adaptec. Well, there are multiple versions of the Hauppage PVR-150 card released, some with, some without a remote. > Using the XP Media Center software, displays a > shockingly poor quality TV > picture with the Hauppage card. Using the software > with the Adaptec card is > about the same, maybe a bit better. The notes with > the WinDVR software say > that it uses software encoding so I assume that it > doesn't use the hardware > encoding available on the Adaptec card. Perhaps the > the same with the XP > Media Centre and the Hauppage PVR150. Perhaps I just > don't understand when > the hardware encoder is used. The hardware encoder has a CPU on the tuner card that relieves a lot of the demands off the main CPU. When doing the above article I didn't want to @#$% my main MythTV box, so I set-up a 2nd test PC for installs with an AverMedia TV98 tuner card (as the name suggests the card is about 8 years old and built around a Brooktree BT-878 chip, in other words, old and ugly) which does software encoding. My main MythTV box and my test box both have a PIII 866 CPU, but big difference in CPU usage when watching TV. The PVR150 box runs at around 10% CPU when watching TV, the TV98 based box runs around 90% CPU. Now the PVR150 box has a better video card which will account for some of that difference, and some difference may be due to motherboard design and other factors. Still, key part of that difference is software vs. hardware encoding. As for picture quality, both boxes look quite good. If I were betting I would be looking at issues like quality of cable TV connection, and other cable related issues. There is one other possible gotcha area which is noted below. > When I was down at your installfest, all the Myth TV > pictures I saw were > excellent quality. > > Has this XP quality anything to do with the > encoding? Probably not. > I am using a 19" LCD monitor, set to 1280x 1020, is > this wrong? Somewhere in > the Knoppmyth musings I saw to set ones monitor to > 800x600. I don't have a TV > connected to the video card at this point, if that > enters into it.. > > maybe Google has the answer, but where can I find > out in plain english about > frontends, backends and all the arcane things that > are involved in getting > Knoppmyth configured? I have scanned the > 'settopbox' forums but haven't > found much help for a begining beginner. I have the > MythTV-howto-single* > document but I thought much of that was redundant by > using KnoppMyth. The > KnoppMyth install document helps some but the start > is confusing, talking > about using the CD as a frontend with a > preconfigured backend. How does one > go about configuring a 'backend'? Did I miss > something? MythTV cuts the job of doing a recorder into two halves, the backend program that talks to the hardware (TV tuner, hard disk) and a frontend progrm that works very closely with the backend. The frontend program deals with the display and basically talking to the end user (you). Now, for 90+ percent of people the backend and frontend programs will run on the same PC, talking to each other inside the same PC. The neat thing this set-up allows for is (and were things can get very strange VERY fast) is you could set-up a central MythTV server at home or in an office, (I once worked in an office where every time a budget was introduced in Parliament the accountants were required to watch TV at work). With a central MythTV server (lots of disk space, FAST CPU, multiple tuner cards), just running the backend program you could have lightweight frontend boxes scattered elsewhere. The frontend boxes talk to the backend box over the network and all is happy... The preconfigured frontend option in KnoppMyth is only useful if you already have a box running at least the backend (as noted most boxes will run both frontend and backend). > I did the auto install and can boot it from a Grub > menu on hdb. I have gone > through the KnoffMyth configuration twice and think > I accepted all the > defaults, right or wrong. But I am sure that some > need modifications. One set of options that can get you trouble is cable/antenna options. Obviously if you have cable vs. antenna wrong you will be dead on everything above channel 13. But in North America there are two cable set-ups, regular and HDC (the later being a trick some cable companies use to reduce interference). Get this wrong and you can I gather expect a 2nd rate image on all channels. For Rodgers near Yonge & Eglinton the answer is the default, but your settings MAY vary. > Like 'Backend Setup' > I.P. address for the Gateway, this is 127.0.0.1 by > default, should it be my > gateway router, 192.168.0.1? These sound reasonable. The right value for the gateway router will depend on your network hardware set-up, but 192.168.0.1 is a very popular (but not universal) choice. > Master Server I.P. Address, this is 127.0.0.1 by > default, it should be ? Sounds right. > Directory to hold recordings, by default is > /myth/tv/, but they are to > actually go to the mount point for /dev/hda3, I'm > not sure how to indicate > this, in this preconfigured setup. Yes, these are the normal defaults for MythTV, and while there are situations where you might want to change the above, they are not common. > The last part has to do with saving 'transcoded > [globally] files, what the > heck is this about? By default MythTV stores files in a format that offers high quality with LARGE file sizes. There are times when you want small file sizes and can live with 3rd rate picture quality. The transcode option is about converting to a lower quality, small file size. > Later one is to select a remote controller, Adaptec > is first on the list, but > once selected, it says it has no drivers. Do even > need to worry about this, > since it does work? If it works, leave it alone. > And on it goes, this is the part that I think an > installfest should be > focusing on, now that I have lived through this > first attempt at setting up > Myth TV. I am sure glad that I don't have to deal > with setting up the > database, that is one blessing... Almost every step > of the the Configuration > needs a bit more explanation, what is there doesn't > help a neophyte a whole > lot. > > Thanks for your consideration of these problems. > > Sincerely > > Merv > > -- > Merv Curley > Toronto, Ont. Can > > Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 > Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 Hope this helps. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 18:29:38 2006 From: tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org (tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:29:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: No networking with Debian 3.1 with 2.6 kernel Message-ID: <851146.17336.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, I have the exact same problem as http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/43199-uneachable-network-after-update-kernel-2-6-a.html The machine is working great with the 2.4 kernel. As soon as I reboot it and switch it over to the 2.6 kernel none of the networking stuff works. I tried doing a ifconfig eth0, but it looks like it cannot find the hardware setting for eth0. I tried running /etc/init.d/module-init-tools then ifconfig eth0 but that did not work either. I know/hope its something simple, but I don't have a clue what it is. What step or config setting am I missing? Robert -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 18:34:59 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:34:59 -0500 Subject: Wireless cards In-Reply-To: <4575B468.8090306-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200612051238.30005.mervc@eol.ca> <4575B468.8090306@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Are you sure that's the right model number? See this page for a list of some D-Link adapters. http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProdList&cmd=pl&id=NT.541 If you respond with the output of lsusb for your adapter, you may get a better reply from the list. Also, you should try dearching for the vendor:device id of the device ( which looks like 046d:08ce, and is output by lsusb and lspci ), possibly including linux in the search terms, which usually will turn up information from people dealing with the same problem you are. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 18:37:06 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:37:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Wireless cards In-Reply-To: <4575B468.8090306-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4575B468.8090306@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <665456.64184.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Madison Kelly wrote: > Merv Curley wrote: > > A while back I purchased a wireless USB adaptor > for my notebook, a DLink > > GA-122. Works very well with the windows driver > and while there appears to > > be a Linux driver for it, I haven't a clue how to > install it and even then > > there may be two packages to download and install. > Life is so-o confusin. > > The Dlink is nice, comes with an extension cord > and a stand so it doesn't > > have to be at floor level plugged into the desktop > case. > > > > Can anyone suggest a USB [ is dongle the word?] > unit that will work with the > > current 2.6.17 kernels? If it is generally > available, that would be a help, > > I have no wish to go downtown to the College St > area that some of you love so > > well. Factory Direct would be nice, :-) but I > have many computer shops > > along Kennedy Rd in Scarborough. Incidentally, > one of the shops with good > > prices [Canada Computers] is almost ready with a > new big store with ample > > parking on Kennedy south of Ellesmere. The old > White Rose Nurseries bldg. > > > > This link: > > http://ch.tudelft.nl/~arthur/wpc54g/ > > Is for Debian/Linksys but it covers the steps needed > to install the NDIS > wrappers and so I think might be helpful. It was > really easy to read and > follow so if you just substitute your OS/Model you > should be fine. > > Goodluck! > > Madi Here is another take on Ndiswrapper: www.tuxmagazine.com/node/1000167 Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 18:46:41 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:46:41 -0500 Subject: looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: <20061204022913.GC12064-xT+M43ky570+K/Hi72W+XQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> <20061204022913.GC12064@sechs.mushy.xyz> Message-ID: <1165344401.3886.12.camel@spot1.localhost.com> An interesting service from 'http://www.privacy.ca' hides your name unless the requesting party specifies the reason for wanting the details and pays a fee. Netfirms.com is good for domain names (cheap) and Dothost.ca and Abacus.ca are good Linux hosting providers. RickT "Replacing desktops one PC at a time" http://www.TorontoNUI.ca On Sun, 2006-12-03 at 21:29 -0500, Michael Hong wrote: > On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:02 -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > > > There's no technical reason to prefer to have the hosting service > > arrange for domain name registration, and some reasons why to prefer > > NOT to share that with them. > > > > If they arrange for domain registration, and even maybe pay for it, > > then *they* are the registrant for the domain, and if you ever have > > reason to walk away to another hosting provider, you may have to walk > > away from your domain name. I'd consider that plenty unacceptable. > > > > Before I went to moonbase.info, I was using a hosting service out of > > Philadelphia. The company went under (I was nearly their only > > customer, I gather), and I was left without website (and email) for a > > little while. The fact that the domain registration was completely in > > my name meant I had no trouble reactivating it against one of > > moonbase's servers almost immediately. > > > > If jwshosting (old company) had been the registrant for my domain > > names, I'd have been seriously screwed. There are mechanisms for > > requesting transfers of domains, and disputing ownership; it's a > > complete nightmare in comparison with your holding the authinfo for > > your own domain names. > > Thanks for recounting your experience. Looks like I will be getting my > domain name from a separate company. :) > > Does anyone use a service offered with some registrars called "private" > whois registration or "whoisguard" or whatever... ? It looks useful so > my home address, email, and phone number aren't all spammed senseless. > Are there any disadvantages to getting something like this? > > Michael > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 19:23:58 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 05 Dec 2006 14:23:58 -0500 Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: <597778.57538.qm-JoSsSUNfUciB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Colin McGregor writes: > --- Merv Curley wrote: > > Hello Colin > > > > I don't know if you have time to help privately, or > > if it is better to ask my > > dumb questions on the TLUG list regarding MythTV. > > Maybe just read through > > this and decide whether or not to write up something > > general for an article, > > or point me to some insight. I am in no rush to get > > this working, so don't > > feel any pressure to reply other than an > > acknowledgement of rcpt. > > Well, I am cc'ing this to the list because I am sure > if your having these problems then likely someone else > is having the same problems. > > I currently have an article on KnoppMyth awaiting > publication, that just focuses on > installation/configuration. I'm not a huge fan of KnoppMyth. IMO, it saves you some time up front (by simplifying the installation) but you give up flexibility and admin is more difficult over the long term. YMMV. [snip] > As for picture quality, both boxes look quite good. If > I were betting I would be looking at issues like > quality of cable TV connection, and other cable > related issues. I agree (assuming the box has sufficient horse power for software decoding). Cable/connector quality, for example, can make a _big_ difference. I use a regular (NTSC) TV with composite (RCA) input together with a (relatively low end) nVidia card with TV-out. The nVidia card has only S-Video for TV-out but comes with an S-Video to RCA converter. With this connector, my picture was black and white. Replacing the nVidia connector with a high quality S-Video to RCA cable gave me good quality colour (as good as can be expected with NTSC). [snip] > > I am using a 19" LCD monitor, set to 1280x 1020, is > > this wrong? I assume you mean 1280x1024? > > Somewhere in > > the Knoppmyth musings I saw to set ones monitor to > > 800x600. I don't have a TV > > connected to the video card at this point, if that > > enters into it.. How does your LCD monitor look when you play videos directly (e.g. with xine, mplayer, totem, etc.)? Some LCD monitors look terrible because their response time is too slow for fast moving video. This is particularly noticeable with sports. If you have a CRT kicking around, you might try it for comparison purposes. I would also try 640x480 (on LCD and CRT) as that is closer to NTSC TV. If your CPU is underpowered, you may be able to playback at 640x480 but not higher. Also, check that DMA is enabled on your hard disk (assuming it's IDE) and your DVD (if you intend to watch DVDs): # hdparm -v /dev/hda /dev/hda: multcount = 16 (on) IO_support = 1 (32-bit) unmaskirq = 1 (on) using_dma = 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) geometry = 65535/16/63, sectors = 156355584, start = 0 # hdparm -v /dev/hdc /dev/hdc: IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) unmaskirq = 0 (off) using_dma = 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument [snip] -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 19:26:26 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 05 Dec 2006 14:26:26 -0500 Subject: No networking with Debian 3.1 with 2.6 kernel In-Reply-To: <851146.17336.qm-U/uKf82u23SB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <851146.17336.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What does "ifconfig -a" say? On some 2.6 systems, eth0 becomes eth1. You may just have to configure eth1 instead of eth0. "tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org" writes: > Hi, > > I have the exact same problem as > http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/43199-uneachable-network-after-update-kernel-2-6-a.html > The machine is working great with the 2.4 kernel. As > soon as I reboot it and switch it over to the 2.6 > kernel none of the networking stuff works. I tried > doing a ifconfig eth0, but it looks like it cannot > find the hardware setting for eth0. I tried running > /etc/init.d/module-init-tools then ifconfig eth0 but > that did not work either. > > I know/hope its something simple, but I don't have a > clue what it is. What step or config setting am I > missing? > > Robert > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 20:09:12 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:09:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <516046.83965.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Tim Writer wrote: > Colin McGregor writes: > > > --- Merv Curley wrote: [snip] > > I currently have an article on KnoppMyth awaiting > > publication, that just focuses on > > installation/configuration. > > I'm not a huge fan of KnoppMyth. IMO, it saves you > some time up front (by > simplifying the installation) but you give up > flexibility and admin is more > difficult over the long term. YMMV. The article was for Tux Magazine, so it had to be a simple install or it wasn't going to be published. There is NO way I could have sold my editor on a MythTV install under say Debian... crass realities intrude on writing... > [snip] > > > As for picture quality, both boxes look quite > good. If > > I were betting I would be looking at issues like > > quality of cable TV connection, and other cable > > related issues. > > I agree (assuming the box has sufficient horse power > for software > decoding). True, do NOT try MythTV with any Pentium II (or older) CPU. Many Pentium 3 CPUs are not a realistic choice MythTV... > Cable/connector quality, for example, can make a > _big_ difference. I use a > regular (NTSC) TV with composite (RCA) input > together with a (relatively > low end) nVidia card with TV-out. The nVidia card > has only S-Video for > TV-out but comes with an S-Video to RCA converter. > With this connector, my > picture was black and white. Replacing the nVidia > connector with a high > quality S-Video to RCA cable gave me good quality > colour (as good as can be > expected with NTSC). Yes, some in Europe joke (not without reason) that NTSC stands for "Never Twice Same Colour". [snip] Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 20:09:34 2006 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:09:34 -0500 Subject: No networking with Debian 3.1 with 2.6 kernel In-Reply-To: <851146.17336.qm-U/uKf82u23SB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <851146.17336.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880612051209w4144a6e7l9e37936646c85f6c@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, Wondering if anyone can help me out with this, I'm looking at modprobe.conf and I am trying to figure out how it knows what driver it uses with this line in modprobe.conf install eth0 /sbin/true I've looked in the modprobe.d directory and there is no references either... It is correctly loading the forcedeth driver however I do not see anywhere where it's aliasing that driver. I'm using the Suse 10.1 distro, the reason why i'm asking this is that i need to make some changes on how the forcedeth driver is loaded with options. Anyideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 20:10:40 2006 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:10:40 -0500 Subject: Suse ethernet modprobe.conf Message-ID: <32f6a8880612051210p35227051y45099caf1085ed55@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, Sorry about the previous message.. i sent it by accident. Wondering if anyone can help me out with this, I'm looking at modprobe.conf and I am trying to figure out how it knows what driver it uses with this line in modprobe.conf install eth0 /sbin/true I've looked in the modprobe.d directory and there is no references either... It is correctly loading the forcedeth driver however I do not see anywhere where it's aliasing that driver. I'm using the Suse 10.1 distro, the reason why i'm asking this is that i need to make some changes on how the forcedeth driver is loaded with options. Anyideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simone.richard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 20:39:24 2006 From: simone.richard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simone Richard) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:39:24 -0500 Subject: Suse ethernet modprobe.conf In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880612051210p35227051y45099caf1085ed55-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880612051210p35227051y45099caf1085ed55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1bb290612051239j7289948dmeef30aff34d4fddc@mail.gmail.com> I did a quick google search (suse forcedeth). Is this your problem? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2435782#post2435782 /Simone On 12/5/06, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi All, > > Sorry about the previous message.. i sent it by accident. > > Wondering if anyone can help me out with this, I'm looking at > modprobe.conf and I am trying to figure out how it knows what driver it uses > with this line in modprobe.conf > > > install eth0 /sbin/true > > I've looked in the modprobe.d directory and there is no references either... > > It is correctly loading the forcedeth driver however I do not see > anywhere where it's aliasing that driver. I'm using the Suse 10.1 distro, > the reason why i'm asking this is that i need to make some changes on how > the forcedeth driver is loaded with options. > > Anyideas? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 20:43:37 2006 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:43:37 -0500 Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061205204337.8F3F183833@sarg.ryerson.ca> I run MythTV on a 900MHz P4, and display at (at least) 1024x780 uses about 5% of the CPU. I had had concerns about this. I have a PVR-350 so encoding is also a few % of CPU. Since we're talking about MythTV, does anybody know any tricks about transcoding? I have lots of things that I've editted out uninteresting bits and I'd like to transcode them down to shrink them, but when I attempt to transcode, nothing happens (well, they queue up, but then it says its an error). I could clean it all up by moving it to my Mac and editing it there, but that seems like cheating. ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 20:53:04 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:53:04 -0600 Subject: Changing Konqueror's icon In-Reply-To: References: <1e55af990612010734v78a583e1n2595e4b1fd948dfe@mail.gmail.com> <7ac602420612010805y58bb4a77k30b7f500fd40621c@mail.gmail.com> <1e55af990612011012w4a897ad0wd62d23b8006ee337@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990612051253ya2a42f7o96c47d9f61a5b011@mail.gmail.com> konqueror --help-kde gave me these as tips: --caption Use 'caption' as name in the titlebar --icon Use 'icon' as the application icon --miniicon Use 'icon' as the icon in the titlebar I think this might work well.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 20:59:56 2006 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:59:56 -0500 Subject: Suse ethernet modprobe.conf In-Reply-To: <1bb290612051239j7289948dmeef30aff34d4fddc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880612051210p35227051y45099caf1085ed55@mail.gmail.com> <1bb290612051239j7289948dmeef30aff34d4fddc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880612051259i77308ab3sd55420924cca191c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Simon, No that is not what im looking for, I need to change some options to the forcedeth driver when loading however in the modprobe.conf it shows install eth0 So i was curious on how modprobe.conf knows that its suppose to load the forcedeth driver with install eth0 without an alias. The solution that i did was that I just took out the install eth0 out of modprobe.conf and put my own configuration in modprobe.conf.local. On 12/5/06, Simone Richard wrote: > > I did a quick google search (suse forcedeth). Is this your problem? > > http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2435782#post2435782 > > /Simone > > On 12/5/06, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Sorry about the previous message.. i sent it by accident. > > > > Wondering if anyone can help me out with this, I'm looking at > > modprobe.conf and I am trying to figure out how it knows what driver it > uses > > with this line in modprobe.conf > > > > > > install eth0 /sbin/true > > > > I've looked in the modprobe.d directory and there is no references > either... > > > > It is correctly loading the forcedeth driver however I do not > see > > anywhere where it's aliasing that driver. I'm using the Suse 10.1distro, > > the reason why i'm asking this is that i need to make some changes on > how > > the forcedeth driver is loaded with options. > > > > Anyideas? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From agenkin-CTfmHW0BDg5pPcNj/TqqnQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 21:55:42 2006 From: agenkin-CTfmHW0BDg5pPcNj/TqqnQ at public.gmane.org (Arcady Genkin) Date: 5 Dec 2006 16:55:42 -0500 Subject: Unix sysadmin job opportunity, UofT Message-ID: The Department of Computer Science at the UofT is hiring a Unix/Windows sysadmin. Our systems are mostly Unix (Debian Linux, Solaris, OpenBSD), but I believe that some Windows skills are also essential for this posting. You'll find more details here: http://www.cdf.toronto.edu/jobs.html -- Arcady Genkin : CDF Systems Administrator http://www.cdf.toronto.edu/~agenkin/contact.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 23:04:28 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:04:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Wireless cards In-Reply-To: <200612051238.30005.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200612051238.30005.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: | From: Merv Curley | Can anyone suggest a USB [ is dongle the word?] unit that will work with the | current 2.6.17 kernels? I just wanted to mention: if you are buying new, try hard to avoid one that uses NDISwrapper. A great hack but: - WindowsXP drivers are allowed to use way more stack than Linux drivers. This is something that NDIS wrapper cannot paper over. Usually this doesn't matter, but there is no way of telling if it does. - binary-only drivers are very difficult to debug. Kernel hackers will shun you if you even load one. - it is good to reward the manufacturers that support Linux. Or show manufacturers that there are customers that use Linux. Having said all that, I don't know it there are any 802.11g USB thingees that have Linux drivers. I have not looked. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 23:11:38 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:11:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Wireless cards In-Reply-To: <200612051238.30005.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200612051238.30005.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: | From: Merv Curley | I have no wish to go downtown to the College St area that some of you love so | well. Come to the meeting next week. You will then be close to College St. | Factory Direct would be nice, :-) but I have many computer shops | along Kennedy Rd in Scarborough. Incidentally, one of the shops with good | prices [Canada Computers] is almost ready with a new big store with ample | parking on Kennedy south of Ellesmere. The old White Rose Nurseries bldg. This is a little confusing. At least to me. Factory Direct and Canada Computers are two of those College St. shops. Factory Direct is also on Kennedy. And you say that CC will be there soon. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 23:22:03 2006 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:22:03 -0500 Subject: php and me don't get alone... help? In-Reply-To: <456E506E.9000706-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <456E506E.9000706@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4575FF1B.6040404@interlog.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > I am trying to setup a tiny test script on Debian > Sarge/Apache2/PostgreSQL 8.1/PHP5. Problem is, php5 doesn't have support > for pg_connect (get the error "Fatal error: Call to undefined function > pg_connect() in /var/www/html/index.php on line 2"). Apparently pgsql > support is specifically excluded by default? If you are writing some PHP code to access a database you should take a look at ADOdb (http://adodb.sourceforge.net/). It allows you to write the PHP code once and use any one of several databases. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 23:39:05 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:39:05 -0500 Subject: Suse ethernet modprobe.conf In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880612051210p35227051y45099caf1085ed55-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880612051210p35227051y45099caf1085ed55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612051839.05313.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:10, Dave Germiquet wrote: > uses with this line in modprobe.conf > > install eth0 /sbin/true > > I've looked in the modprobe.d directory and there is no references > either... > > It is correctly loading the forcedeth driver however I do not see > anywhere where it's aliasing that driver. I'm using the Suse 10.1 distro, > the reason why i'm asking this is that i need to make some changes on how > the forcedeth driver is loaded with options. > > Anyideas? If memory serves me correctly SuSE has a directory under /etc/sysconfig (perhaps hardware) that associates ethernet interfaces with drivers. It will definitely be under /etc, just do a "cd /etc && grep -rl forcedeth *". -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 23:40:05 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:40:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Wireless cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <971666.70088.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- "D. Hugh Redelmeier" wrote: > | From: Merv Curley > | Can anyone suggest a USB [ is dongle the word?] > unit that will work with the > | current 2.6.17 kernels? > > I just wanted to mention: if you are buying new, try > hard to avoid one > that uses NDISwrapper. A great hack but: > > - WindowsXP drivers are allowed to use way more > stack than Linux > drivers. This is something that NDIS wrapper > cannot paper over. > Usually this doesn't matter, but there is no way > of telling if > it does. > > - binary-only drivers are very difficult to debug. > Kernel hackers > will shun you if you even load one. > > - it is good to reward the manufacturers that > support Linux. Or show > manufacturers that there are customers that use > Linux. > > Having said all that, I don't know it there are any > 802.11g USB > thingees that have Linux drivers. I have not > looked. There are some Linux USB 802.11g dongles out there, but, let my experiences be a lesson on that score. Several months ago I went shopping for such a dongle, checking the adds in ... usual places. I was looking for a dongle that I could use both with an older laptop and desktop. Saw an ad for for the TRENDnet TEW-424UB, I checked, there was a native Linux driver, and after I got home I found I had been bitten on two levels. - This dongle REQUIRES USB 2.0, my laptop with USB 1.1 can not be made to work with this dongle, period. - There have been two versions of the TRENDnet TEW-424UB USB dongle, version 1 is well supported under Linux as can be seen here: zd1211.ath.cx/ for version 2 (the version I bought) the only way to get it to work with Linux at present is with ndiswrapper, and face the concerns noted above. TRENDNet I gather is not the only firm to keep the model number the same and totally change the internal guts of a dongle, card, etc., so step very carefully on this score. So, lessons learnt, my laptop is currently running with an SMC wireless PCMCIA card that is supported by the MadWiFi Linux driver that can be seen here: madwifi.org Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 23:47:37 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:47:37 +0000 Subject: Wireless cards In-Reply-To: References: <200612051238.30005.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: On 12/5/06, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Merv Curley > > | I have no wish to go downtown to the College St area that some of you love so > | well. > > Come to the meeting next week. You will then be close to College St. > > | Factory Direct would be nice, :-) but I have many computer shops > | along Kennedy Rd in Scarborough. Incidentally, one of the shops with good > | prices [Canada Computers] is almost ready with a new big store with ample > | parking on Kennedy south of Ellesmere. The old White Rose Nurseries bldg. > > This is a little confusing. At least to me. > > Factory Direct and Canada Computers are two of those College St. > shops. Factory Direct is also on Kennedy. And you say that CC will > be there soon. These major stores all now have multiple locations. Canada Computers, for instance, assortedly has locations on College St, one on Yonge north of Finch, at Pacific Mall (Kennedy & Steeles), with, at this time, a total of 9 locations, which Kennedy & Ellesmere would make 10. It's kind of interesting; there are now multiple regions where most of the big name College St shops *also* operate. Many of the names on College St also have locations on Kennedy Road near Ellesmere, in Scarborough. There are a bunch that also have stores in Pacific Mall. The Kennedy Road location is likely pretty convenient for anyone in the northeast. (I drive past this area daily, living just north of there...) I noticed last night that Factory Direct had moved out of their Kennedy Road location; I'm not sure where the new place is; the old location is being replaced by some other computer store... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 5 23:54:00 2006 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: How to increase the value of a $100 PC to $250 and make it unaffordable Message-ID: I once said that Linux could be the foot in the door for some businesses who do not really want to switch (why they do not want to I will not discuss here - everyone has the right to be pointy headed at some time or another), allowing them to negotiate lower license fees for other types of software. Now I have lived to be sorry for having said that: http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2170209/microsoft-looking-windows-olpc Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 00:10:47 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:10:47 -0500 Subject: How to increase the value of a $100 PC to $250 and make it unaffordable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45760A87.2010503@alteeve.com> Peter P. wrote: > I once said that Linux could be the foot in the door for some businesses who do > not really want to switch (why they do not want to I will not discuss here - > everyone has the right to be pointy headed at some time or another), allowing > them to negotiate lower license fees for other types of software. Now I have > lived to be sorry for having said that: > > http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2170209/microsoft-looking-windows-olpc > > Peter I think MS is terrified of having a generation of kids in emerging markets growing up learning *nix skills. Scared enough that they'd likely rather give MS Windows away on these machines if they have to. Call me crazy... Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 00:18:28 2006 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:18:28 -0500 Subject: Wireless cards In-Reply-To: References: <200612051238.30005.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20061206001828.GA8940@wp.magstar.net> On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 06:04:28PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Having said all that, I don't know it there are any 802.11g USB > thingees that have Linux drivers. I have not looked. >From my bookmarks... http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ http://users.linpro.no/janl/hardware/wifi.html http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ http://www.linux-wlan.org/ http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ http://madwifi.org/ http://prism54.org/ http://ralink.rapla.net/ http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page http://wifinetnews.com/ http://www.airlink101.com/products/wireless.html http://www.atheros.com/ http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/home.asp http://www.zipeh.com/wifi/Linux_and_WiFi.htm http://zd1211.ath.cx/ I have Airlink101 usb wireless with ZD1211 chipset. I was able to compile, install, and use it. In fact, I used it for demo that I did at Tillsonburg LUG meeting. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 00:21:16 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:21:16 -0500 Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: <516046.83965.qm-57gzaD/7YRGB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <516046.83965.qm@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45760CFC.2010005@utoronto.ca> Colin McGregor wrote: > > Yes, some in Europe joke (not without reason) that > NTSC stands for "Never Twice Same Colour". > I thought this quote originated in North America. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 00:23:17 2006 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:23:17 -0500 Subject: moving to a larger hard drive... In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20612020559lc089d51yfddf85817898c15e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612012111h75664e97o19caac543f58b709@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612020559lc089d51yfddf85817898c15e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45760D75.7050107@interlog.com> Aaron Vegh wrote: > I've been searching the archives of TLUG correspondence, and found a > similar topic being discussed. Lennart (who else?) suggested: > > ------------snip > Partition, make filesystems, mount new partition, then cp -ax > /oldpartition /newpartition > > That is the PROPER way to do it, and probably the fastest too since it > only copies the data. > > dd is great for making clones of a disk to another identical disk. > > You will have to reinstall the MBR/boot loader on the new disk of > course. > -------------snip The one step missing from the above is to update your /etc/fstab file. This will be needed since you will be switching from /dev/hda to /dev/sda. You also need to keep that in mind when you reinstall your boot loader. My machine had a 40G drive and I added a 250G drive. I used 'cp -a' when I was shuffling the contents of about three partitions back and forth between the two drives as I was setting and changing partition sizes. I did this several times while I worked out how I wanted to lay out the partitions. The only thing I didn't need to do was re-install the boot loader since I kept the 40G as the main boot drive. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 00:24:26 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:24:26 +0000 Subject: How to increase the value of a $100 PC to $250 and make it unaffordable In-Reply-To: <45760A87.2010503-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45760A87.2010503@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0612051624x2c370206g3cbefca3f9df5b47@mail.gmail.com> On 12/6/06, Madison Kelly wrote: > Peter P. wrote: > > I once said that Linux could be the foot in the door for some businesses who do > > not really want to switch (why they do not want to I will not discuss here - > > everyone has the right to be pointy headed at some time or another), allowing > > them to negotiate lower license fees for other types of software. Now I have > > lived to be sorry for having said that: > > > > http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2170209/microsoft-looking-windows-olpc > > > > Peter > > I think MS is terrified of having a generation of kids in emerging > markets growing up learning *nix skills. Scared enough that they'd > likely rather give MS Windows away on these machines if they have to. > > Call me crazy... Not crazy at all. I Remember Microsoft giving a number of countries very significant discounts (70%+ off) to ensure they're using Windows and not Linux. Not sure what the pricing schemes are for Vista, but I remember some rumors a couple months back that MS might make the basic home version of Vista free to compete with FOSS alternatives such as Linux. (Of course the user wouldn't be able to do much productivity-wise, but hey - one can always buy additional licenses and/or upgrades!) -- Scott Elcomb http://atomos.sourceforge.net/ http://search.cpan.org/~selcomb/SAL-3.03/ http://psema4.googlepages.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 00:33:51 2006 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:33:51 -0500 Subject: MBR To 2nd Drive Message-ID: <45760FEF.7010505@sympatico.ca> I'd like to help out a friend of mine with a drive mishap. He has a PC with two hard drives, Windows of some sort on the primary master, Red Had (maybe Fedora?) on the primary slave. He uses Grub as a boot loader. There is no floppy drive on this machine, so he never made a boot disk, but he does have access to a Knoppix CD. His master drive died. He would like to make his linux drive the master for the moment. What can he do to have the MBR set up in the linux drive? I would suspect that it takes more than just changing the grub configuration. Thanks, John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 01:10:17 2006 From: tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org (tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:10:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: No networking with Debian 3.1 with 2.6 kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061206011018.26955.qmail@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sorry Tim, Nothing that easy :-( lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:840 (840.0 b) TX bytes:840 (840.0 b) sit0 Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4 NOARP MTU:1480 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) --- Tim Writer wrote: > What does "ifconfig -a" say? > > On some 2.6 systems, eth0 becomes eth1. You may just > have to configure eth1 > instead of eth0. > > "tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org" > writes: > > > Hi, > > > > I have the exact same problem as > > > http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/43199-uneachable-network-after-update-kernel-2-6-a.html > > The machine is working great with the 2.4 kernel. > As > > soon as I reboot it and switch it over to the 2.6 > > kernel none of the networking stuff works. I > tried > > doing a ifconfig eth0, but it looks like it cannot > > find the hardware setting for eth0. I tried > running > > /etc/init.d/module-init-tools then ifconfig eth0 > but > > that did not work either. > > > > I know/hope its something simple, but I don't have > a > > clue what it is. What step or config setting am I > > missing? > > > > Robert > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > tim writer > starnix inc. > 647.722.5301 > toronto, ontario, canada > http://www.starnix.com professional > linux services & products > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 01:47:01 2006 From: crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Michael Hong) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:47:01 -0500 Subject: No networking with Debian 3.1 with 2.6 kernel In-Reply-To: <20061206011018.26955.qmail-1NIlFuzKg1GB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20061206011018.26955.qmail@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061206014701.GA22218@sechs.mushy.xyz> On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:10 -0500, tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org wrote: > Sorry Tim, > > Nothing that easy :-( > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > RX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 > frame:0 > TX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 > carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:840 (840.0 b) TX bytes:840 (840.0 > b) > > sit0 Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4 > NOARP MTU:1480 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 > frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 > carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > Are you running Debian's shipped kernel? I would check to see if the module for your NIC is loaded with lsmod, if not, modprobe it then try 'ifup eth0'. To get the module loaded on boot, try putting it in /etc/modules . Michael -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kyleodonnell-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 01:48:37 2006 From: kyleodonnell-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kyle O'Donnell) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:48:37 -0500 Subject: Suse ethernet modprobe.conf In-Reply-To: <200612051839.05313.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880612051210p35227051y45099caf1085ed55@mail.gmail.com> <200612051839.05313.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <2274b9c30612051748p138e04d0nf038be5d9a738099@mail.gmail.com> install module /bin/true means do NOT install the module and afaik "eth0" is a device created after a module is loaded ie: modprobe e100 (to load the intel 100mbit module, to create ethX) On 12/5/06, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:10, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > > uses with this line in modprobe.conf > > > > install eth0 /sbin/true > > > > I've looked in the modprobe.d directory and there is no references > > either... > > > > It is correctly loading the forcedeth driver however I do not > see > > anywhere where it's aliasing that driver. I'm using the Suse 10.1distro, > > the reason why i'm asking this is that i need to make some changes on > how > > the forcedeth driver is loaded with options. > > > > Anyideas? > > If memory serves me correctly SuSE has a directory under /etc/sysconfig > (perhaps hardware) that associates ethernet interfaces with drivers. > > It will definitely be under /etc, just do a "cd /etc && grep -rl forcedeth > *". > > -- > Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ > Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 01:54:31 2006 From: crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Michael Hong) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:54:31 -0500 Subject: looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: <1165344401.3886.12.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> <20061204022913.GC12064@sechs.mushy.xyz> <1165344401.3886.12.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <20061206015431.GB22218@sechs.mushy.xyz> On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:46 -0500, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > An interesting service from 'http://www.privacy.ca' hides your name > unless the requesting party specifies the reason for wanting the > details and pays a fee. Netfirms.com is good for domain names (cheap) > and Dothost.ca and Abacus.ca are good Linux hosting providers. > RickT Thanks, that does look interesting. I had a look at dothost.ca and abacus.ca - they look like reputable hosts but their prices are a bit higher than some others I'm looking at. Thanks for mentioning them though. Michael -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 01:59:21 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:59:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: How to increase the value of a $100 PC to $250 and make it unaffordable In-Reply-To: <45760A87.2010503-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <45760A87.2010503@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <560291.40567.qm@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Madison Kelly wrote: > Peter P. wrote: > > I once said that Linux could be the foot in the > door for some businesses who do > > not really want to switch (why they do not want to > I will not discuss here - > > everyone has the right to be pointy headed at some > time or another), allowing > > them to negotiate lower license fees for other > types of software. Now I have > > lived to be sorry for having said that: > http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2170209/microsoft-looking-windows-olpc > > > > Peter > > I think MS is terrified of having a generation of > kids in emerging > markets growing up learning *nix skills. Scared > enough that they'd > likely rather give MS Windows away on these machines > if they have to. > > Call me crazy... Not crazy. But while the emerging markets I am sure scares MS (but then MS does scare easy, because they know there someone can do to them what they did to IBM), what I expect is getting MS crapping their pants is stuff like the states of Maine and Massachusetts have expressed formal (from the state governments) interest in the OLPC. Combine this with say the state of Indiana switching over 20,000 educational PCs to Linux: www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml?articleId=192201386 and you may have a serious problem for MS in the educational sector which would carry over elsewhere. In the day Apple sold a LOT of Apple IIs to parents who wanted their kids to have the same sort of computers at home as they were using at school... In other words if MS looses the education market, they instantly loose a measurable share of the home market. A few years after a loss in the education market, as students come out of school they loose a measurable share of the business market. I don't doubt that MS wants to see the OLPC project at best running some sort of MS operating system, or baring that stopped... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 02:02:07 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:02:07 -0500 Subject: How to increase the value of a $100 PC to $250 and make it unaffordable In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0612051624x2c370206g3cbefca3f9df5b47-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <45760A87.2010503@alteeve.com> <99a6c38f0612051624x2c370206g3cbefca3f9df5b47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ugh, don't give them ideas, the thought of this wonderful opportunity to kill MS's market share being defeated by their last ditch efforts is quite horrific. I like the specs of the device though, enough to engage in modern computing, but low enough to keep bloatware out. Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 02:11:15 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:11:15 -0500 Subject: MBR To 2nd Drive In-Reply-To: <45760FEF.7010505-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <45760FEF.7010505@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Adapted from the Gentoo handbook: Boot into a live CD, and do something like mkdir /mnt/gentoo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/gentoo # (replace hdb1 with your linux partition) mount -t proc none /mnt/gentoo/proc mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev chroot /mnt/gentoo /bin/bash then see this page: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10 You may have to change your grub configuration to match the new location of the linux partition, if you've shuffled your drives in the box post-mortem, but otherwise the configuration should be fine the way it is. Then scroll down to "Default: Setting up GRUB using grub-install" and follow the instructions there. Hope this helps you fix the issue, Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 02:19:49 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:19:49 -0500 Subject: Wireless cards In-Reply-To: <20061206001828.GA8940-SBOj+Tp9hCvc29vQ/UIUOA@public.gmane.org> References: <200612051238.30005.mervc@eol.ca> <20061206001828.GA8940@wp.magstar.net> Message-ID: <457628C5.6080006@utoronto.ca> William Park wrote: > On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 06:04:28PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> Having said all that, I don't know it there are any 802.11g USB >> thingees that have Linux drivers. I have not looked. > >>From my bookmarks... > > http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ > http://users.linpro.no/janl/hardware/wifi.html > http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ > http://www.linux-wlan.org/ > > http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ > http://madwifi.org/ > http://prism54.org/ > http://ralink.rapla.net/ > http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page > http://wifinetnews.com/ > http://www.airlink101.com/products/wireless.html > http://www.atheros.com/ > http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/home.asp > http://www.zipeh.com/wifi/Linux_and_WiFi.htm > http://zd1211.ath.cx/ > > I have Airlink101 usb wireless with ZD1211 chipset. I was able to compile, > install, and use it. In fact, I used it for demo that I did at Tillsonburg LUG > meeting. > The top link is all I've ever needed. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 02:34:11 2006 From: shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:34:11 -0500 Subject: test Message-ID: <5096.1165372451@heinous.org> test -Joseph- ---- This message was sent via a demo version of - http://atmail.com/-- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 02:33:28 2006 From: shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:33:28 -0500 Subject: test - please ignore Message-ID: <200612052133.28713.shrike@heinous.org> Sorry for the spam. Things seem broken. -Joseph- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 03:10:48 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:10:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: <597778.57538.qm-JoSsSUNfUciB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: | From: Colin McGregor | --- Merv Curley wrote: | > I bought a refurb'd Gateway computer with XP Media | > and a Hauppage PVR 150 | > card. However the Hauppage doesn't have any way to | > connect a remote control. | > So I removed it and installed the Adaptec Videoh! | > card that I purchased | > several weeks back. If you hvae free PCI slots, keep both tuners in your computer. That lets you record two signals at once. Or watch one live and record another. I have 5 tuners in one Myth box (PVR150, PVR250, 3xadaptec)! The CPU is an Athlon XP 1700+ | The remote seems to work well | > with the Win software | > supplied by Adaptec. | | Well, there are multiple versions of the Hauppage | PVR-150 card released, some with, some without a | remote. My understanding is that thpe PVR software bundled with WinXP MCE does not support the Adaptec card. Some PVR-150 models are supported and some are not. Of course you can use the software that comes with the card but I doubt that would support both the cards together. | > Using the XP Media Center software, displays a | > shockingly poor quality TV | > picture with the Hauppage card. Using the software | > with the Adaptec card is | > about the same, maybe a bit better. The notes with | > the WinDVR software say | > that it uses software encoding so I assume that it | > doesn't use the hardware | > encoding available on the Adaptec card. Perhaps the | > the same with the XP | > Media Centre and the Hauppage PVR150. Perhaps I just | > don't understand when | > the hardware encoder is used. | | The hardware encoder has a CPU on the tuner card that | relieves a lot of the demands off the main CPU. When | doing the above article I didn't want to @#$% my main | MythTV box, so I set-up a 2nd test PC for installs | with an AverMedia TV98 tuner card (as the name | suggests the card is about 8 years old and built | around a Brooktree BT-878 chip, in other words, old | and ugly) which does software encoding. My main MythTV | box and my test box both have a PIII 866 CPU, but big | difference in CPU usage when watching TV. That sounds odd. For recording, the encoder is valuable. For live TV that should not be the case. I've watched TV with at BT848 card in a CPU slower than 866 (Celeron 300a clocked at 450MHz). Mind you, I watch live TV using tvtime with the same card in a dual core Athlon 64 X2 3800+ and the CPU gets pegged. tvtime is vicious. xawtv used much less CPU. (tvtime does some filtering to improve the picture.) | The PVR150 | box runs at around 10% CPU when watching TV, the TV98 | based box runs around 90% CPU. Some of the load is in kernel code, including interrupt handlers. I'm not confident that this shows up in normal statistics. What do you use to take those readings? | > I am using a 19" LCD monitor, set to 1280x 1020, is | > this wrong? Somewhere in | > the Knoppmyth musings I saw to set ones monitor to | > 800x600. I don't have a TV | > connected to the video card at this point, if that 800x600 is the resolution you seem to need on ATI and nVidia cards so that the TVout works. If you are not using TVout, those don't matter. Consider them a hint about the best imaginable resolution from NTSC. If you use 1280x1024, you will be using something (hardware or software) to scale the picture. That can eat processor power (if done in software). At that resolution, you will be able to see how crappy NTSC is. It won't make the signal crappier, just make the crappiness more evident. | > | > maybe Google has the answer, but where can I find | > out in plain english about | > frontends, backends and all the arcane things that | > are involved in getting | > Knoppmyth configured? I don't completely understand this aspect of Myth either. I have two Myth machines, a master and a slave (not sure that is the right terminology). Both run the FE and the BE. The two backends know about each other. Intuitively, I feel I should need only a FE on the slave machine because I don't wish to record or watch live TV on that unit. But that didn't seem to be what was expected. For one thing, the FE and BE were in the same packages (as far as I remember). Note that the version of the FE must match the version of the BE. Knoppmyth is a version behind these days (or was when I last looked). I used FC5 for the master and Ubuntu 6.10 for the slave. Ubuntu seemed easier but that may only reflect: (1) I'd done this before (2) the Ubuntu packages were released later. (3) the slave was a bit simpler (4) Fedora's stack-smash protection exposed a Myth bug that the developers cannot replicate so I had to figure it out. http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2420 BTW you can perform many Myth functions remotely via a browser -- no installation required. MythWeb is pretty good. | These sound reasonable. The right value for the | gateway router will depend on your network hardware | set-up, but 192.168.0.1 is a very popular (but not | universal) choice. | | > Master Server I.P. Address, this is 127.0.0.1 by | > default, it should be ? If you want multiple machines to work together then you probably want to use the IP address of the ethernet interface. If you are only going to have one box, 127.0.0.1 might be slightly better. It will not expose the box to the LAN. It will work whether or not the LAN is up or is renumbered. BTW, you must use a "dotted quad" (four numbers separated by dots). If you use a domain name here, it will silently fail. I consider this a bug (actually, several) but the Myth developers don't agree: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2469 | By default MythTV stores files in a format that offers | high quality with LARGE file sizes. There are times | when you want small file sizes and can live with 3rd | rate picture quality. The transcode option is about | converting to a lower quality, small file size. Transcoding is pretty CPU-intensive. The order of magnitude was about 1 hour of CPU for transcoding 1 hour of program. Better to record in the quality you desire. Furthermore only certain resolutions are standard DVD resolutions. And not the default Myth one! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 03:29:13 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:29:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: MBR To 2nd Drive In-Reply-To: <45760FEF.7010505-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <45760FEF.7010505@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: | From: John Moniz | I'd like to help out a friend of mine with a drive mishap. He has a PC with | two hard drives, Windows of some sort on the primary master, Red Had (maybe | Fedora?) on the primary slave. He uses Grub as a boot loader. There is no | floppy drive on this machine, so he never made a boot disk, but he does have | access to a Knoppix CD. | | His master drive died. He would like to make his linux drive the master for | the moment. What can he do to have the MBR set up in the linux drive? I would | suspect that it takes more than just changing the grub configuration. Grub surely went away with the first drive. I have a grub boot CD. You can too. I think these are the instructions: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Making-a-GRUB-bootable-CD-ROM.html It can load the existing Linux from the second HD. (This might be possible with grub on a USB flash memory, depending on the BIOS, but I haven't tried that.) The BIOS may allow you to boot from the second drive. I don't think that that is a common feature. If you can, then, once you have booted Linux (using the grub CD), you can run grub-install to install grub on the MBR of the second drive. Now to answer your actual question, building on the above. If you boot the existing linux partition but with the drive moved from /dev/hdb to /dev/hda, several things will go wrong. So you need to fix them with, say, a knoppix live CD first: - the boot loader will be confused or not exist - the kernel will be confused (fix /boot/grub/grub.conf) - /etc/fstab will be wrong There may be other things that I've forgotten. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 03:46:24 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:46:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Wireless cards In-Reply-To: References: <200612051238.30005.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: | From: Christopher Browne | I noticed last night that Factory Direct had moved out of their | Kennedy Road location; I'm not sure where the new place is; the old | location is being replaced by some other computer store... See http://factorydirect.ca/cgi-bin/general/locations.pl There is an ugly blinking "**MOVED**" on it. Maybe the new address (1300 Kennedy) is accurate and the store is open. Maybe not (the Kitchener store flashes "**NEW**" yet a scolling message says "Coming Soon"). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 06:27:07 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 01:27:07 -0500 Subject: How to increase the value of a $100 PC to $250 and make it unaffordable In-Reply-To: References: <45760A87.2010503@alteeve.com> <99a6c38f0612051624x2c370206g3cbefca3f9df5b47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457662BB.6060907@telly.org> Simon wrote: > Ugh, don't give them ideas, the thought of this wonderful opportunity > to kill MS's market share being defeated by their last ditch efforts > is quite horrific. I like the specs of the device though, enough to > engage in modern computing, but low enough to keep bloatware out. Exactly, and this offers an interesting set of events to unfold. Given that Vista is more bloated than XP which was more bloated than that which came before it (etc.) it will be interesting to see what they do with the OLPC. The experience will also show the world how MS acts when it's not working in the interests of forcing people to replace their hardware at every software upgrade cycle. Given that the system can't run even a "lean" desktop like XFCE (or so I was once told), how will MS's resource-hungry OS adapt? There may be an expression of interest, but porting could take a very long time. Also consider: Nobody can STOP Microsoft from porting some version of Windows to the OLPC. But if they do we have the potential for an interesting reversal scenario; the boxes come pre-installed with Linux, and people who want Windows have to go through the process of manual installation, deal with drivers that are a step behind the hardware revs, etc. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 06:30:43 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 01:30:43 -0500 Subject: How to increase the value of a $100 PC to $250 and make it unaffordable In-Reply-To: <457662BB.6060907-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <45760A87.2010503@alteeve.com> <99a6c38f0612051624x2c370206g3cbefca3f9df5b47@mail.gmail.com> <457662BB.6060907@telly.org> Message-ID: Not really such a reversal, it's so far out that MS will have to develop everything and polish it, so no, there's either going to be a polished OS for it from them, or nothing, really, except for maybe some really determined Windows lovers with their SD cards.. Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 14:24:40 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:24:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: How to increase the value of a $100 PC to $250 and make it unaffordable In-Reply-To: <457662BB.6060907-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <45760A87.2010503@alteeve.com> <99a6c38f0612051624x2c370206g3cbefca3f9df5b47@mail.gmail.com> <457662BB.6060907@telly.org> Message-ID: <50518.207.188.66.20.1165415080.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Given that the system > can't run even a "lean" desktop like XFCE (or so I was once told), how > will MS's resource-hungry OS adapt? There may be an expression of > interest, but porting could take a very long time. > On the other hand, Microsoft have been moderately successful with WinCE, their version of Windows for embedded devices, which runs on machines with small resources. I can't see them adapting Vista, but I can see a skunk-works project producing something that has the Windows logo on it and runs on the OLPC. It would have to be a separate group, in view of reports that it took something like 12 Microsoft programmers to write the shutdown menu for Vista. My approach would be to sacrifice legacy support and focus on getting the mainstream office applications (with reduced functionality) to work. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kyleodonnell-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 14:33:37 2006 From: kyleodonnell-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kyle O'Donnell) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:33:37 -0500 Subject: Suse ethernet modprobe.conf In-Reply-To: <2274b9c30612051748p138e04d0nf038be5d9a738099-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880612051210p35227051y45099caf1085ed55@mail.gmail.com> <200612051839.05313.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <2274b9c30612051748p138e04d0nf038be5d9a738099@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2274b9c30612060633v53c755dfv445a31e5534a5e31@mail.gmail.com> options.. my mistake install driver alias device options device blah=1 On 12/5/06, Kyle O'Donnell wrote: > install module /bin/true > means do NOT install the module > > and afaik "eth0" is a device created after a module is loaded > > ie: modprobe e100 (to load the intel 100mbit module, to create ethX) > > On 12/5/06, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:10, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > > > > uses with this line in modprobe.conf > > > > > > install eth0 /sbin/true > > > > > > I've looked in the modprobe.d directory and there is no references > > > either... > > > > > > It is correctly loading the forcedeth driver however I do not > > see > > > anywhere where it's aliasing that driver. I'm using the Suse 10.1distro, > > > the reason why i'm asking this is that i need to make some changes on > > how > > > the forcedeth driver is loaded with options. > > > > > > Anyideas? > > > > If memory serves me correctly SuSE has a directory under /etc/sysconfig > > (perhaps hardware) that associates ethernet interfaces with drivers. > > > > It will definitely be under /etc, just do a "cd /etc && grep -rl forcedeth > > *". > > > > -- > > Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ > > Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 14:44:47 2006 From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:44:47 -0500 Subject: MBR To 2nd Drive In-Reply-To: <45760FEF.7010505-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <45760FEF.7010505@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On 12/5/06, John Moniz wrote: > I'd like to help out a friend of mine with a drive mishap. He has a PC > with two hard drives, Windows of some sort on the primary master, Red > Had (maybe Fedora?) on the primary slave. He uses Grub as a boot loader. > There is no floppy drive on this machine, so he never made a boot disk, > but he does have access to a Knoppix CD. > > His master drive died. He would like to make his linux drive the master > for the moment. What can he do to have the MBR set up in the linux > drive? I would suspect that it takes more than just changing the grub > configuration. I just did something like this recently. I booted off of a Knoppix CD. At the command line grub-install /dev/yourharddrive You might need to edit menu.lst in /boot/grub to change where the kernel is found from hd1 to hd0. After this you should be good to go. Cheers, Randy -- Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world --John Lennon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 15:26:33 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:26:33 -0500 Subject: How to increase the value of a $100 PC to $250 and make it unaffordable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just realized today that I find the subject of this thread disagreeable: putting a Microsoft OS on these devices wouldn't add to their value, it would just bump up the price. That's probably what you meant, anyway - I honestly don't think that any amount of short term effort from Microsoft can trump the elegance of Unix combined with the cumulative output of an over 20 year long meritocracy of passionate developers releasing free software. Of course (and sadly), if they coat it in enough varnish, some will not notice the lack of power under the hood. Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 15:39:10 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:39:10 -0500 Subject: Simulating DHCPDISCOVER Message-ID: <20061206153909.GA9234@georgetown.wehave.net> Hi, Does anyone know of a way to determine IP address of DHCP server on a subnet without running a dhcp client and without running a portscan? Basically, I'd like to broadcast a DHCPDISCOVER packet like a real DHCP client does and see who replies. I tried netcat but (unsurprisingly didn't have success. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 15:39:23 2006 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:39:23 -0500 Subject: [OT] mrtg/rrd & thunderbird, spam analysis In-Reply-To: References: <45760FEF.7010505@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4576E42B.5050204@rogers.com> Hey All, I don't feel like setting up a mailserver or anything like that in order to be able to analyse spam and filtering in moz Thunderbird. I'm wondering if anyone has played around with directly operating on the mail files themselves (i.e. like the files under dir names such as /home/user/.thunderbird/abc1d2efb.default/Mail/pop/) and doing historic trending reports. I guess I could always do it in python, and use pychart for graphing since I've got experience in that, but this sounds like the kind of thing that I'm sure someone out there has thought about. I also kinda suck at programming too, I can't deny that's a consideration in looking for a canned solution ;) Cheers, B -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vince-J8gUg58EjS5Wk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 15:43:51 2006 From: vince-J8gUg58EjS5Wk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Vince Fry) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:43:51 -0500 Subject: [OT] mrtg/rrd & thunderbird, spam analysis In-Reply-To: <4576E42B.5050204-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <45760FEF.7010505@sympatico.ca> <4576E42B.5050204@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4576E537.6020902@vincefry.com> Byron Sonne wrote: > Hey All, > > I don't feel like setting up a mailserver or anything like that in order > to be able to analyse spam and filtering in moz Thunderbird. > > I'm wondering if anyone has played around with directly operating on the > mail files themselves (i.e. like the files under dir names such as > /home/user/.thunderbird/abc1d2efb.default/Mail/pop/) and doing historic > trending reports. > > I guess I could always do it in python, and use pychart for graphing > since I've got experience in that, but this sounds like the kind of > thing that I'm sure someone out there has thought about. I also kinda > suck at programming too, I can't deny that's a consideration in looking > for a canned solution ;) > > Cheers, > B > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Byron, I think Spamato can do what you're looking for. https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2738/ Vince -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 15:52:50 2006 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: How to increase the value of a $100 PC to $250 and make it unaffordable References: <45760A87.2010503@alteeve.com> <99a6c38f0612051624x2c370206g3cbefca3f9df5b47@mail.gmail.com> <457662BB.6060907@telly.org> <50518.207.188.66.20.1165415080.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: I think that WinCE and other 'squeezed' versions of Windows will always be larger than 'squeezed' versions of Linux. The original article I linked to was a piece of tendentious FUD imho. Of course the slot in the OLPC was not put there for M$'s benefit, it was put there to facilitate data exchange with media devices (such as cameras and media devices) and memory extension from the beginning, when the design was outlined. The fact that the device can run software directly off that media is an advantage that is unrelated to M$. And this is in fact something that M$ abhors because the ability to run software from external media without installing it also means the ability to make an unlimited number of illegal copies of said software. In the open software movement, this is a given advantage. For M$, it may mean that the OLPC will be a one-diskette installation (in the sense that they will only need to leak one copy of a working system, the replication will be autonomous after that). Given the cheek they have I would not be surprised if they would later lobby to impose a M$ tax on OLPCs since 'they could be used to run illicitly copied M$ products' (said in FUD tense in front of Congress by a concerned looking businessman). Riight. Then, the mpaa and riaa will be able to raid preschooler's OLPCs looking for illegally downloaded nursery rhymes and condemn the kids to watching captain copyright cartoons for no less than an hour a day. And M$ and the riaa/mpaa would make it mandatory (and the DHS would chip in with them) to implement unique serial numbers for the machines so they could attribute each illegally downloaded nursery rhyme to one particular toddler. Someone was flogging a compressed version of Windows on a 170MB usb stick. This simply means the usual thing: that they need three+ times the space and five+ years to do the same thing Linux has been doing for years now. Linux distros with full GUI and X11 and a reasonable set of applications have been fitting on 50MB 'business card' cds since about 1999, and there was at least one minimal system that ran a X server from two floppies (or was it three) before that. As always, M$ are emulating only the best, and they have a long way to go even if reporters pitch in heavily on their side. I am surprised that nobody reacted to the tone of the article so far. While reporters have to eat, they also have to sleep soundly at night, I think. As to the power of that system, I have a i386 powered monochrome Compaq laptop from the 1990s. It runs Linux with X11 in 8MB ram. Yes, it's slow. It's a 33MHz 386SX, see, that's why. And yes, I am still using it, mostly to drive microprocessor programmers with its parallel and serial ports, and because it is small and light. And yes I avoid using it for heavy things. So a 200MHz ARM should be almost ten times faster, and a 400MHz one twenty times faster (assuming that the bottleneck for graphics speed is the system clock - most graphics operations in a text window environment are memory-to-memory copy operations). Imho, the makers of certain well-known word processors and spreadsheets (and also web applications) which make 3GHz machines appear as slow as a PC XT running Word Perfect on a monochrome Hercules screen have the right to shut up when quipping about the 'low resources' of the OLPC. The resources are not low, they are deemed sufficient for the role of this machine. I have the 'pleasure' to use the newest computers with DSL networking, routers, ethernet etc, daily only to find it normal to wait 5-6 seconds until a web service like 'Yahoo' sends off an email. Obviously upgrading to a 25GHz Petapentium would not improve things. The OLPC has a place as is and I hope that it will become common and a commodity. I have plans to use it as a hardware terminal and control unit for embedded systems especially, running Linux and other open source operating systems. I hope that it is 'hackable' at the hardware port level. There are others on this list who will likely try similar things with it. Then, it is likely that Mr. Negroponte did not consider the need for a stable and available commodity laptop-sized platform for industry and government services. That might yet prove to be the biggest cash earner for his OLPC system. Todays wireless terminals used by meter readers, garagists, supermarket stockists and so on are often less powerful and more expensive then the OLPC. I feel that an open architecture industry standard system like the OLPC could open a huge door here. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 16:02:14 2006 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:02:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: How to increase the value of a $100 PC to $250 and make it unaffordable References: Message-ID: Simon writes: > > I just realized today that I find the subject of this thread > disagreeable: putting a Microsoft OS on these devices wouldn't add to > their value, it would just bump up the price. That's probably what > you meant, anyway - I honestly don't think that any amount of short > term effort from Microsoft can trump the elegance of Unix combined > with the cumulative output of an over 20 year long meritocracy of > passionate developers releasing free software. Of course (and sadly), > if they coat it in enough varnish, some will not notice the lack of > power under the hood. I apologise for the the subject, I forgot the ticks around the word 'increase'. Fixed now. Of course the title was to be understood as a bitter thing, said with the tongue firmly planted in the cheek, and dripping with sarcasm. At the time I also quipped on this list about BG remarking the OLPC as being 'useless' and flogging his new tablet PC as a $1900 replacement (for the third world, no less). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 16:14:52 2006 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:14:52 -0500 Subject: [OT] mrtg/rrd & thunderbird, spam analysis In-Reply-To: <4576E537.6020902-J8gUg58EjS5Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <45760FEF.7010505@sympatico.ca> <4576E42B.5050204@rogers.com> <4576E537.6020902@vincefry.com> Message-ID: <4576EC7C.4030301@rogers.com> > I think Spamato can do what you're looking for. > https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2738/ Hmmm... Spamato doesn't look quite ready yet, but is certainly very cool! Thanks for pointing that out, I'll keep an eye on it. Came across this... http://bayesjunktool.mozdev.org/ interesting, as I've always wanted to view the token and training data. Neat. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 16:42:30 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:42:30 +0000 Subject: Bruce Perens' Open Letter to Novell (Petition to protest the MS-Novell patent agreement) Message-ID: <99a6c38f0612060842i7448270es5d7523f06dd70d4f@mail.gmail.com> Sorry if this link has previously been posted. I found it today after reading the article at http://technocrat.net/d/2006/12/6/11832 Looks like it's gaining a new signature every couple of minutes - 2735 of them (Just checked) so far. Letter & Petition: http://techp.org/petition/show/1 -- Scott Elcomb http://atomos.sourceforge.net/ http://search.cpan.org/~selcomb/SAL-3.03/ http://psema4.googlepages.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 17:20:13 2006 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:20:13 -0500 Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: <20061205204337.8F3F183833-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20061205204337.8F3F183833@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <200612061220.13832.mervc@eol.ca> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:43, Dave Mason wrote: I would like to thank everyone for their comments, all appreciated and helpful. I do understand a bit better what is happening now, and will try the various hints. As a note, this box has a 64 bit AMD running in 32 bit mode @ 3500 Mhz; the video card is an NV6100 and my LCD in a week old, 8 ms but only 1280 x 1024 resolution. Desktop, screensavers, text are all very crisp. I was in TV Broadcasting at the CBC, in the tech. area for 30+ years so I am pretty aware of NTSC theory and all that jazz. However a one person asked, so, DVD's look pretty crappy also. I had never tried playing a DVD on a computer, I have SDTV and HDTV systems in the same room so pretty redundant. Nothing like personal experiences to glean information, program documentation is never enough. Merry, merry.. -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 17:26:35 2006 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:26:35 -0500 Subject: Wireless cards In-Reply-To: References: <200612051238.30005.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <200612061226.35464.mervc@eol.ca> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 18:47, Christopher Browne wrote: > I noticed last night that Factory Direct had moved out of their > Kennedy Road location; I'm not sure where the new place is; the old > location is being replaced by some other computer store... Just to the north, a nice bright big store, between the StoneHouse Rest. and the TUBS plumbing store. East side just a bit south of Ellesmere. -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 17:29:43 2006 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy David Mills) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:29:43 -0500 Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: <200612061220.13832.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20061205204337.8F3F183833@sarg.ryerson.ca> <200612061220.13832.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: One thing I have found out just recently, is, use RCA's only as a last resort. Leave the RCAs left and right audio connected. Do not connect the RCA video. Connect the S-video. S-video is so much cleaner and better than RCA. This of course is just from the commercial DVD player to the TV. I do have an s-video connector on the Hauppage PVR-250, but never have got KnoppMyth to show up on the TV yet. Master of understatement, Merv writes.... > I was in TV Broadcasting at the CBC, in the tech. area for 30+ years so I am > pretty aware of NTSC theory and all that jazz. Merv Curley wrote: > On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:43, Dave Mason wrote: > > I would like to thank everyone for their comments, all appreciated and > helpful. I do understand a bit better what is happening now, and will try > the various hints. > > As a note, this box has a 64 bit AMD running in 32 bit mode @ 3500 Mhz; the > video card is an NV6100 and my LCD in a week old, 8 ms but only 1280 x 1024 > resolution. Desktop, screensavers, text are all very crisp. > > I was in TV Broadcasting at the CBC, in the tech. area for 30+ years so I am > pretty aware of NTSC theory and all that jazz. > > However a one person asked, so, DVD's look pretty crappy also. I had never > tried playing a DVD on a computer, I have SDTV and HDTV systems in the same > room so pretty redundant. > > Nothing like personal experiences to glean information, program documentation > is never enough. > > Merry, merry.. > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 17:41:24 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:41:24 -0500 Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: <200612061220.13832.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20061205204337.8F3F183833@sarg.ryerson.ca> <200612061220.13832.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: Merv Curley wrote: > On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:43, Dave Mason wrote: > > I would like to thank everyone for their comments, all appreciated and > helpful. I do understand a bit better what is happening now, and will try > the various hints. > > As a note, this box has a 64 bit AMD running in 32 bit mode @ 3500 Mhz; the > video card is an NV6100 and my LCD in a week old, 8 ms but only 1280 x 1024 > resolution. Desktop, screensavers, text are all very crisp. > > I was in TV Broadcasting at the CBC, in the tech. area for 30+ years so I am > pretty aware of NTSC theory and all that jazz. > > However a one person asked, so, DVD's look pretty crappy also. I had never > tried playing a DVD on a computer, I have SDTV and HDTV systems in the same > room so pretty redundant. Check the refresh rate for your monitor. I have a new 19" LCD that looked terrible at 75Hz (dark colours were hideously attenuated). I switched to 60Hz which the monitor's digital input recommended, and poof, it looks fantastic. > Nothing like personal experiences to glean information, program documentation > is never enough. > > Merry, merry.. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 17:18:08 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 06 Dec 2006 12:18:08 -0500 Subject: Simulating DHCPDISCOVER In-Reply-To: <20061206153909.GA9234-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <20061206153909.GA9234@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org writes: > Hi, > > Does anyone know of a way to determine IP address of DHCP server on a > subnet without running a dhcp client and without running a portscan? > > Basically, I'd like to broadcast a DHCPDISCOVER packet like a real DHCP > client does and see who replies. I tried netcat but (unsurprisingly > didn't have success. This isn't excatly the answer you're looking for but if you look at /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script [1], you'll see this script takes care of the complete configuration of the interface and sets up the routing. This implies that dhclient is a light weight program that talks the DHCP protocol, delegating interface configuration, routing, etc. to scripts. By running dhclient with a different script, config, etc. (which you can specify on the command line), you may be able to do what you want. If you take this approach, let me know if it works out. [1] This is on Ubuntu 6.10 but I imagine Debian Sarge/Etch would be similar. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 17:42:28 2006 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:42:28 -0500 Subject: Wireless cards In-Reply-To: References: <200612051238.30005.mervc@eol.ca> <4575B468.8090306@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200612061242.29089.mervc@eol.ca> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 13:34, Simon wrote: Again thanks to all for the links and help. Hopefully others will benefit. Looks like I won't have to make a trip to a store and add to my growing credit card deficit. > Are you sure that's the right model number? See this page for a list > of some D-Link adapters. I may not have supplied the complete model, but it is listed along with the Ver 2 model that I have at he prism54 website and a jbnote*.fr site that I checked last night. I now have another dozen to look at, thanks all. Cheers -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 18:18:23 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 18:18:23 +0000 Subject: Wireless cards In-Reply-To: <200612061226.35464.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200612051238.30005.mervc@eol.ca> <200612061226.35464.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: On 12/6/06, Merv Curley wrote: > On Tuesday 05 December 2006 18:47, Christopher Browne wrote: > > > I noticed last night that Factory Direct had moved out of their > > Kennedy Road location; I'm not sure where the new place is; the old > > location is being replaced by some other computer store... > > Just to the north, a nice bright big store, between the StoneHouse Rest. and > the TUBS plumbing store. East side just a bit south of Ellesmere. Ah, perhaps the most convenient spot I could possibly conceive of, as I regularly park in that lot to go into the gym next door. I suppose it would be more convenient if it were Canada Computers in there, but anyways... ;-) -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 18:55:38 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:55:38 -0500 Subject: Wireless cards In-Reply-To: <200612061242.29089.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200612051238.30005.mervc@eol.ca> <4575B468.8090306@alteeve.com> <200612061242.29089.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20061206185538.GF17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 12:42:28PM -0500, Merv Curley wrote: > On Tuesday 05 December 2006 13:34, Simon wrote: > > Again thanks to all for the links and help. Hopefully others will benefit. > > Looks like I won't have to make a trip to a store and add to my growing credit > card deficit. > > > Are you sure that's the right model number? See this page for a list > > of some D-Link adapters. > > I may not have supplied the complete model, but it is listed along with the > Ver 2 model that I have at he prism54 website and a jbnote*.fr site that I > checked last night. I now have another dozen to look at, thanks all. More choices for usb wireless that have linux drivers (or at least will eventually) is to get something with a ralink chipset. List of known models is here: http://ralink.rapla.net/ I currently use a ralink 2560 based pci card, and am playing with the cvs drivers to get the latest features. So far it loads, connects using wpa (without needing wpa_supplicant, this is all done in the driver) and transfers data, although occationally the connection seems to pause for a few seconds and then resumes transfering. I do currently have the machine much to close to the AP however, which I guess I should try and resolve. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 18:58:49 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:58:49 -0500 Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: <200612061220.13832.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20061205204337.8F3F183833@sarg.ryerson.ca> <200612061220.13832.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20061206185849.GG17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 12:20:13PM -0500, Merv Curley wrote: > I would like to thank everyone for their comments, all appreciated and > helpful. I do understand a bit better what is happening now, and will try > the various hints. > > As a note, this box has a 64 bit AMD running in 32 bit mode @ 3500 Mhz; the > video card is an NV6100 and my LCD in a week old, 8 ms but only 1280 x 1024 > resolution. Desktop, screensavers, text are all very crisp. An athlon 64 3500+ is 2200MHz. Running anything other than native resolution on an LCD will generally look very bad, or at least rather blurry. Personally I hate 1280x1024 since it screws with the pixel shape on most displays. I wish 19" and 17" were either 1280x960 or some other sensible resolution that left the pixels square. > I was in TV Broadcasting at the CBC, in the tech. area for 30+ years so I am > pretty aware of NTSC theory and all that jazz. > > However a one person asked, so, DVD's look pretty crappy also. I had never > tried playing a DVD on a computer, I have SDTV and HDTV systems in the same > room so pretty redundant. I thought DVDs looked just fine on my computer. Probably depends on the decoder/player. > Nothing like personal experiences to glean information, program documentation > is never enough. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 19:06:16 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:06:16 -0500 Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: <4576FE07.9060809-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20061205204337.8F3F183833@sarg.ryerson.ca> <200612061220.13832.mervc@eol.ca> <4576FE07.9060809@knet.ca> Message-ID: <20061206190616.GH17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 12:29:43PM -0500, Teddy David Mills wrote: > One thing I have found out just recently, is, use RCA's only as a last > resort. > > Leave the RCAs left and right audio connected. > Do not connect the RCA video. > Connect the S-video. > S-video is so much cleaner and better than RCA. > > This of course is just from the commercial DVD player to the TV. > I do have an s-video connector on the Hauppage PVR-250, but never have > got KnoppMyth to show up on the TV yet. Well it makes pretty good sense: Coax: audio, and video all merged into one signal. Composite (RCA): Audio channels seperated, video signal still merged. SVideo: Audio channels seperated, video seperated into luminance (brightness) and the chrominance (colour). Color components still merged. Component: All signals are seperated. 2 audio and 3 video. A number of different formats exist for doing component video such as YPbPr or RGB, among other less common versions. I believe most displays that accept component support YPbPr only, with more advanced ones accepting additional encodings. RGB is mostly used on SCART equiped displays in europe or on things like VGA. Of course the more signals you overlap or encode together, the more chance there is of interference, and the signal gets worse. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Eric.Malenfant-xNZwKgViW5gAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 20:58:06 2006 From: Eric.Malenfant-xNZwKgViW5gAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Eric.Malenfant-xNZwKgViW5gAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:58:06 -0600 Subject: Simulating DHCPDISCOVER In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98A4A2882BDF3249B4A3650DA062799F056D9169@daebe100.NOE.Nokia.com> You should check out hping2 - you can craft packets with it. Another tool is dhcping http://c3rb3r.openwall.net/dhcping/about.html Google for DHCP Audit found me this site with TONS of links: http://www.oissg.org/component/option,com_bookmarks/Itemid,147/mode,0/ca tid,6/navstart,0/search,*/ Eric Malenfant, NSA, CCSE+ NG, CCSE NGX, RHCE -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of ext Tim Writer Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:18 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Simulating DHCPDISCOVER fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org writes: > Hi, > > Does anyone know of a way to determine IP address of DHCP server on a > subnet without running a dhcp client and without running a portscan? > > Basically, I'd like to broadcast a DHCPDISCOVER packet like a real > DHCP client does and see who replies. I tried netcat but > (unsurprisingly didn't have success. This isn't excatly the answer you're looking for but if you look at /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script [1], you'll see this script takes care of the complete configuration of the interface and sets up the routing. This implies that dhclient is a light weight program that talks the DHCP protocol, delegating interface configuration, routing, etc. to scripts. By running dhclient with a different script, config, etc. (which you can specify on the command line), you may be able to do what you want. If you take this approach, let me know if it works out. [1] This is on Ubuntu 6.10 but I imagine Debian Sarge/Etch would be similar. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 21:28:03 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 06 Dec 2006 16:28:03 -0500 Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: <20061206185849.GG17985-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20061205204337.8F3F183833@sarg.ryerson.ca> <200612061220.13832.mervc@eol.ca> <20061206185849.GG17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 12:20:13PM -0500, Merv Curley wrote: > > I would like to thank everyone for their comments, all appreciated and > > helpful. I do understand a bit better what is happening now, and will try > > the various hints. > > > > As a note, this box has a 64 bit AMD running in 32 bit mode @ 3500 Mhz; the > > video card is an NV6100 and my LCD in a week old, 8 ms but only 1280 x 1024 > > resolution. Desktop, screensavers, text are all very crisp. > > An athlon 64 3500+ is 2200MHz. > > Running anything other than native resolution on an LCD will generally > look very bad, or at least rather blurry. Personally I hate 1280x1024 > since it screws with the pixel shape on most displays. I wish 19" and > 17" were either 1280x960 or some other sensible resolution that left the > pixels square. Have you tried tuning your xorg.conf to use 1280x960? It's non-standard but you can do anything with custom mode settings (including frying your monitor). -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 21:59:42 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:59:42 -0500 Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20061205204337.8F3F183833@sarg.ryerson.ca> <200612061220.13832.mervc@eol.ca> <20061206185849.GG17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20061206215942.GI17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 04:28:03PM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > Have you tried tuning your xorg.conf to use 1280x960? It's non-standard but > you can do anything with custom mode settings (including frying your > monitor). If the LCD is native 1280x1024 running 1280x960 will look like crap. That is why I wouldn't buy any LCD that had a native resolution of 1280x1024 ever. I run my old used 21" CRT at 1600x1200. :) Dell just dropped the price of the 3007WFP to $1699. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 22:16:46 2006 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:16:46 -0500 Subject: Suse ethernet modprobe.conf In-Reply-To: <2274b9c30612060633v53c755dfv445a31e5534a5e31-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880612051210p35227051y45099caf1085ed55@mail.gmail.com> <200612051839.05313.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <2274b9c30612051748p138e04d0nf038be5d9a738099@mail.gmail.com> <2274b9c30612060633v53c755dfv445a31e5534a5e31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880612061416o4f30daedv7fca2e42a12f5f2a@mail.gmail.com> So how does it install ETH0 is that an actual driver? On 12/6/06, Kyle O'Donnell wrote: > > options.. my mistake > > install driver > alias device > options device blah=1 > > On 12/5/06, Kyle O'Donnell wrote: > > install module /bin/true > > means do NOT install the module > > > > and afaik "eth0" is a device created after a module is loaded > > > > ie: modprobe e100 (to load the intel 100mbit module, to create ethX) > > > > On 12/5/06, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > > > > > On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:10, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > > > > > > uses with this line in modprobe.conf > > > > > > > > install eth0 /sbin/true > > > > > > > > I've looked in the modprobe.d directory and there is no references > > > > either... > > > > > > > > It is correctly loading the forcedeth driver however I do > not > > > see > > > > anywhere where it's aliasing that driver. I'm using the Suse > 10.1distro, > > > > the reason why i'm asking this is that i need to make some changes > on > > > how > > > > the forcedeth driver is loaded with options. > > > > > > > > Anyideas? > > > > > > If memory serves me correctly SuSE has a directory under > /etc/sysconfig > > > (perhaps hardware) that associates ethernet interfaces with drivers. > > > > > > It will definitely be under /etc, just do a "cd /etc && grep -rl > forcedeth > > > *". > > > > > > -- > > > Fraser Campbell > http://www.wehave.net/ > > > Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian > GNU/Linux > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 22:27:57 2006 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:27:57 -0500 Subject: Suse ethernet modprobe.conf In-Reply-To: <2274b9c30612051748p138e04d0nf038be5d9a738099-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880612051210p35227051y45099caf1085ed55@mail.gmail.com> <200612051839.05313.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <2274b9c30612051748p138e04d0nf038be5d9a738099@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880612061427t1996939rc28bb958f750fb16@mail.gmail.com> I was able to do what i wanted using the instructions Fraser Campbell mentioned.. However I still dont KNOW why install eth0 works :S uptime-vault2:/etc/sysconfig # grep -r forcedeth * hardware/hwcfg-bus-pci-0000:00:13.0:MODULE='forcedeth' uptime-vault2:/etc/sysconfig # cd hardware uptime-vault2:/etc/sysconfig/hardware # ls config hwcfg-bus-pci-0000:00:13.0 scripts skel uptime-vault2:/etc/sysconfig/hardware # cat hwcfg-bus-pci-0000\:00\:13.0 MODULE='forcedeth' MODULE_OPTIONS='max_interrupt_work=15 optimization_mode=0' <-- this is how you change options STARTMODE='auto' On 12/5/06, Kyle O'Donnell wrote: > > install module /bin/true > means do NOT install the module > > and afaik "eth0" is a device created after a module is loaded > > ie: modprobe e100 (to load the intel 100mbit module, to create ethX) > > On 12/5/06, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:10, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > > > > uses with this line in modprobe.conf > > > > > > install eth0 /sbin/true > > > > > > I've looked in the modprobe.d directory and there is no references > > > either... > > > > > > It is correctly loading the forcedeth driver however I do not > > see > > > anywhere where it's aliasing that driver. I'm using the Suse 10.1distro, > > > the reason why i'm asking this is that i need to make some changes on > > how > > > the forcedeth driver is loaded with options. > > > > > > Anyideas? > > > > If memory serves me correctly SuSE has a directory under /etc/sysconfig > > (perhaps hardware) that associates ethernet interfaces with drivers. > > > > It will definitely be under /etc, just do a "cd /etc && grep -rl > > forcedeth *". > > > > -- > > Fraser Campbell > > http://www.wehave.net/ > > Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian > > GNU/Linux > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 00:40:15 2006 From: alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Alan Cohen) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:40:15 -0500 Subject: extract DTMF from WAV file Message-ID: <1165452014.9476.14.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Anyone know of a utility that will (STDIN) read a .WAV file, search through it and (STDOUT) write out a string of any DTMF tones it found in the file? (An alternative would be an appropriate perl module.) -- Sincerely, Alan Cohen alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 00:46:23 2006 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:46:23 -0500 Subject: MBR To 2nd Drive In-Reply-To: References: <45760FEF.7010505@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4577645F.6040302@sympatico.ca> Randy Jonasz wrote: > On 12/5/06, John Moniz wrote: > >> I'd like to help out a friend of mine with a drive mishap. He has a PC >> with two hard drives, Windows of some sort on the primary master, Red >> Had (maybe Fedora?) on the primary slave. He uses Grub as a boot loader. >> There is no floppy drive on this machine, so he never made a boot disk, >> but he does have access to a Knoppix CD. >> >> His master drive died. He would like to make his linux drive the master >> for the moment. What can he do to have the MBR set up in the linux >> drive? I would suspect that it takes more than just changing the grub >> configuration. > > I just did something like this recently. I booted off of a Knoppix > CD. At the command line > grub-install /dev/yourharddrive > > You might need to edit menu.lst in /boot/grub to change where the > kernel is found from hd1 to hd0. After this you should be good to go. > > Cheers, > > Randy Thank you. I received three very good replies (from Simon, Hugh and Randy). We are now set to try it out. Regards, John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 03:04:33 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:04:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20061205204337.8F3F183833@sarg.ryerson.ca> <200612061220.13832.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: | From: Teddy David Mills | I do have an s-video connector on the Hauppage PVR-250, but never have got | KnoppMyth to show up on the TV yet. Are you trying to hook the PVR-250's S-Video connector to your TV S-Video input? That won't work -- the PVR's S-Video connector is an input. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 03:07:49 2006 From: tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org (tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:07:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: No networking with Debian 3.1 with 2.6 kernel In-Reply-To: <20061206014701.GA22218-xT+M43ky570+K/Hi72W+XQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061206014701.GA22218@sechs.mushy.xyz> Message-ID: <701931.60696.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It is working with the 2.4 kernel. I would assume it is in the /etc/modules already and it is loaded. Or am I missing something simple about the 2.4 vs 2.6 difference? --- Michael Hong wrote: > On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:10 -0500, > tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Sorry Tim, > > > > Nothing that easy :-( > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > > inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host > > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > > RX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 > overruns:0 > > frame:0 > > TX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 > overruns:0 > > carrier:0 > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > > RX bytes:840 (840.0 b) TX bytes:840 > (840.0 > > b) > > > > sit0 Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4 > > NOARP MTU:1480 Metric:1 > > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 > overruns:0 > > frame:0 > > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 > overruns:0 > > carrier:0 > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > > > > Are you running Debian's shipped kernel? I would > check to see if the > module for your NIC is loaded with lsmod, if not, > modprobe it then try > 'ifup eth0'. To get the module loaded on boot, try > putting it in > /etc/modules . > > Michael > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 03:50:06 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:50:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: | From: Tim Writer | Cable/connector quality, for example, can make a _big_ difference. I use a | regular (NTSC) TV with composite (RCA) input together with a (relatively | low end) nVidia card with TV-out. The nVidia card has only S-Video for | TV-out but comes with an S-Video to RCA converter. With this connector, my | picture was black and white. Replacing the nVidia connector with a high | quality S-Video to RCA cable gave me good quality colour (as good as can be | expected with NTSC). Interesting. I don't think that S-Video to RCA can be done with a simple cable. The signals on the wires don't match. From Len's message: Composite (RCA): Audio channels seperated, video signal still merged. SVideo: Audio channels seperated, video seperated into luminance (brightness) and the chrominance (colour). Color components still merged. Any conversion would have to involve a more complicated circuit. Can you tell us more about how you do the conversion? I have two video cards (in two different computers) hooked up to two TVs. One is an nVidia 5200 and the other is an ATI 9250. Both have S-Video connectors with converters to RCA. The converters are *not* interchangeable. Standard S-Video connectors have 4 pins. The ATI S-Video jack accepts 3 extra. I would presume that the standard 4 pins carry S-Video and the extra 3 carry composite video. The nVidia has the standard 4 pins. I have no idea how the nVidia S-Video to Composite cable works. In my unscientific testing, the nVidia's composite output was not so hot. I cranked the saturation control down a lot and that improved things to the point of being watchable. I have not done systematic testing so this should not be considered definitive. On the other hand, TVout from the ATI wasn't a piece of cake. I needed a non-standard patch to the ATI driver. http://megahurts.dk/rune/tv_output.html Apparently this is too much of a hack for xorg to adopt. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 04:22:38 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:22:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: User Interface: (Was: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive) In-Reply-To: References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20061205204337.8F3F183833@sarg.ryerson.ca> <200612061220.13832.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <50653.207.188.66.20.1165465358.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Are you trying to hook the PVR-250's S-Video connector to your TV > S-Video input? That won't work -- the PVR's S-Video connector is an > input. Ah, yes. Another user interface problem. User interface story: I recently did a guest lecture at Ryerson U and of course brought my laptop to plug into their overhead projector. The podium stand was locked up tighter than Fort Knox, but there was a video connector on the podium that says 'Computer'. I'm wondering 'Computer what?' 'Computer *output* as in Video output from the computer in the podium? Or 'Computer *input* as in 'this is where you plug in your computer (video).' 'Computer' by itself is Not Helpful. Anyway, I decided that the most likely thing was the former, and wondered ho much expensive damage would occur to both computers if you plugged their video outputs together. Happily, it did turn out to be the connection to the overhead projector. And for another user interface story: There is a very nice free (maybe even open-source) spectrum analysis and audio distortion measurement program available from RightMark. It uses the sound card to generate and analyse audio signals. In spite of having operated complex electronic equipment, including spectrum analysers, I had trouble operating the program. (And yes, I did read the manual.) By happenstance I got the spectrum measurement but I could not figure out the rest of the user interface on this device. User interfaces are important. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 04:23:02 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:23:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: User Interface: (Was: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive) In-Reply-To: References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20061205204337.8F3F183833@sarg.ryerson.ca> <200612061220.13832.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <50794.207.188.66.20.1165465382.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Are you trying to hook the PVR-250's S-Video connector to your TV > S-Video input? That won't work -- the PVR's S-Video connector is an > input. Ah, yes. Another user interface problem. User interface story: I recently did a guest lecture at Ryerson U and of course brought my laptop to plug into their overhead projector. The podium stand was locked up tighter than Fort Knox, but there was a video connector on the podium that says 'Computer'. I'm wondering 'Computer what?' 'Computer *output* as in Video output from the computer in the podium? Or 'Computer *input* as in 'this is where you plug in your computer (video).' 'Computer' by itself is Not Helpful. Anyway, I decided that the most likely thing was the former, and wondered ho much expensive damage would occur to both computers if you plugged their video outputs together. Happily, it did turn out to be the connection to the overhead projector. And for another user interface story: There is a very nice free (maybe even open-source) spectrum analysis and audio distortion measurement program available from RightMark. It uses the sound card to generate and analyse audio signals. In spite of having operated complex electronic equipment, including spectrum analysers, I had trouble operating the program. (And yes, I did read the manual.) By happenstance I got the spectrum measurement but I could not figure out the rest of the user interface on this device. User interfaces are important. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 04:31:39 2006 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:31:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Projector needed for Dec 12 meeting Message-ID: Hi all. Our normal champion of the projector, Chris Browne, can't make the December meeting. Does anyone else have a projector they could bring along to the meeting for the speaker? Thanks, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 04:39:48 2006 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:39:48 -0500 Subject: OT: Giving away Apple's last CRT monitor (unknown condition) Message-ID: <45779B14.1060309@utoronto.ca> I have Apple's last CRT model in unknown condition. I can't test it because power, video, and usb are routed through one cable (an ADC? connection). There are adapters that will split the cable into power and video, but I just can't be bothered. Take care, Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 05:39:09 2006 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 00:39:09 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted Message-ID: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> Wanted, Linux admin, programmer, needs C/C++ or C# programming ability and will then need to learn C# (Java programming ability would also do). Programming on MONO also helping in making a live DVD linux distro, and tech supporting a 500+ work force of linux users. 60+% of time hopefully will be programming. 20$/hr to start, contract for first little while, could go to salary. Email back to me, make subject MEANINGFUL, good luck! Tell your friends! Must be around GTA area maybe Hamilton to Bowmanville, Lake Ontario to Barrie rectangle. -tl P.S. i posted about 1-2 months ago, more for the linux support person, we hired internally, but we really need a jack of all trades, and now more of a linux admin and programming skills -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 17:15:45 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 12:15:45 -0500 Subject: Portable mail archives? In-Reply-To: <4576E42B.5050204-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <45760FEF.7010505@sympatico.ca> <4576E42B.5050204@rogers.com> Message-ID: <45784C41.4090900@telly.org> Hi all, The recent discuission on direct manipulation of mail provoked me to finally ask about a problem I've had for a while. As some of you know, I've been on email for a while and have, in my time, subecribed to a few lists and received some large files. My "Local Folders" area under Thunderbird is now about 4.5G and, once that mail is created it's extremely static. I would love to offload those archives onto a DVD, free up my HD, and be able to load/mount those archives onto any system on which I might be reading mail. Having the stuff on a DVD would also allow me to free up the 4.5GB that it's taking up on my laptop, and allow me to mount the DVD when I need to search old mail but otherwise reallocate that part of my hard disk (which on laptops aren't that big -- the mail folder is now 80% of my laptop's Linux partition). Unfortunately, Thunderbird appears to only support "Local Mail" under its own hierachy and won't allow me to designate, say, "/mnt/removable" as a directory under which more mail can be found. Or at least I haven't found a way to do this. Are symlinks the only answer? On one hand I'd love to consider other Linux MUAs such as Evolution and Kmail, but I'd prefer a cross platform solution that would allow me to access my DVD-based mail archives on a Windows system too. Anyone here have a suggestion? - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 17:45:47 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 07 Dec 2006 12:45:47 -0500 Subject: No networking with Debian 3.1 with 2.6 kernel In-Reply-To: <701931.60696.qm-KqvIsxqYR2SB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <701931.60696.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org" writes: > It is working with the 2.4 kernel. I would assume it > is in the /etc/modules already and it is loaded. Or > am I missing something simple about the 2.4 vs 2.6 > difference? I wouldn't assume that. The module could have been loaded via the hotplug mechanism under 2.4, which has changed for 2.6. Alternatively, the name of the module may have changed (IIRC, there are a few modules where the named changed from 2.4 to 2.6), support for the module could have been dropped, the module may no longer be built by default, or the module could have been moved to a separate package. Do you know what module you're using under 2.4? If not, check the output of "dmesg" following a fresh reboot into 2.4. > --- Michael Hong wrote: > > > On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:10 -0500, > > tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > Sorry Tim, > > > > > > Nothing that easy :-( > > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > > > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > > > inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host > > > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > > > RX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 > > overruns:0 > > > frame:0 > > > TX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 > > overruns:0 > > > carrier:0 > > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > > > RX bytes:840 (840.0 b) TX bytes:840 > > (840.0 > > > b) > > > > > > sit0 Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4 > > > NOARP MTU:1480 Metric:1 > > > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 > > overruns:0 > > > frame:0 > > > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 > > overruns:0 > > > carrier:0 > > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > > > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > > > > > > > Are you running Debian's shipped kernel? I would > > check to see if the > > module for your NIC is loaded with lsmod, if not, > > modprobe it then try > > 'ifup eth0'. To get the module loaded on boot, try > > putting it in > > /etc/modules . > > > > Michael > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > > http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > > below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 17:53:06 2006 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 12:53:06 -0500 Subject: UN report on FOSS Message-ID: Here's a UN report on worldwide FOSS usage. http://www.apdip.net/publications/ict4d/BreakingBarriers.pdf It describes 14 case studies - in particular, the Extremadura region of Spain, where they have 80,000 Linux computers in the schools. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 17:54:03 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:54:03 -0500 Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061207175403.GJ17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 10:50:06PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Interesting. > > I don't think that S-Video to RCA can be done with a simple cable. > The signals on the wires don't match. From Len's message: > > Composite (RCA): Audio channels seperated, video signal still merged. > > SVideo: Audio channels seperated, video seperated into luminance > (brightness) and the chrominance (colour). Color components > still merged. > > Any conversion would have to involve a more complicated circuit. Actually according to this: http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/svideo2cvideo.html many conversions are really as simple as physically merging the signals. > Can you tell us more about how you do the conversion? > > I have two video cards (in two different computers) hooked up to two > TVs. One is an nVidia 5200 and the other is an ATI 9250. Both have > S-Video connectors with converters to RCA. The converters are *not* > interchangeable. Many video cards have extra pins on their 'svidieo' connector, and the extra pins have the composite signal and the adapter connects to those extra pins. The pinout for the extra pins are not standard and vary from company to company. > Standard S-Video connectors have 4 pins. > > The ATI S-Video jack accepts 3 extra. I would presume that the > standard 4 pins carry S-Video and the extra 3 carry composite video. Yep pretty much. > The nVidia has the standard 4 pins. I have no idea how the nVidia > S-Video to Composite cable works. They might do some detection to see if something is connected to all 4 pins, and if not, it just sends composite signal on 2 pins rather than svideo on 4 pins. It's possible at least. Or maybe they convert with the method shown in the link I sent. > In my unscientific testing, the nVidia's composite output was not so > hot. I cranked the saturation control down a lot and that improved > things to the point of being watchable. I have not done systematic > testing so this should not be considered definitive. > > On the other hand, TVout from the ATI wasn't a piece of cake. I > needed a non-standard patch to the ATI driver. > http://megahurts.dk/rune/tv_output.html > Apparently this is too much of a hack for xorg to adopt. The nvout package is supposed to be quite good. I don't real with ati's crappy drivers any more. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 18:05:01 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 07 Dec 2006 13:05:01 -0500 Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "D. Hugh Redelmeier" writes: > | From: Tim Writer > > | Cable/connector quality, for example, can make a _big_ difference. I use a > | regular (NTSC) TV with composite (RCA) input together with a (relatively > | low end) nVidia card with TV-out. The nVidia card has only S-Video for > | TV-out but comes with an S-Video to RCA converter. With this connector, my > | picture was black and white. Replacing the nVidia connector with a high > | quality S-Video to RCA cable gave me good quality colour (as good as can be > | expected with NTSC). > > Interesting. > > I don't think that S-Video to RCA can be done with a simple cable. > The signals on the wires don't match. From Len's message: > > Composite (RCA): Audio channels seperated, video signal still merged. > > SVideo: Audio channels seperated, video seperated into luminance > (brightness) and the chrominance (colour). Color components > still merged. > > Any conversion would have to involve a more complicated circuit. > > Can you tell us more about how you do the conversion? There's not much to tell. Like I said, the converter supplied by nVidia didn't work. A lot of googling suggested that others were having the same problem (and not just with MythTV) and time and again the suggestion was to use a high quality cable. To be honest, I was sceptical because I had already tested the nVidia connector by feeding S-Video out (without the nVidia connector) into a device with S-Video input, then feeding the same output using the nVidia converter into the composite input of the same device. In both cases, I had colour. The problem occurred only with my TV. I bought the most expensive S-Video to RCA cable I could find at Future Shop, not really expecting it to work, and was happily surprised when it did. > I have two video cards (in two different computers) hooked up to two > TVs. One is an nVidia 5200 and the other is an ATI 9250. Both have > S-Video connectors with converters to RCA. The converters are *not* > interchangeable. Interesting. > Standard S-Video connectors have 4 pins. > > The ATI S-Video jack accepts 3 extra. I would presume that the > standard 4 pins carry S-Video and the extra 3 carry composite video. > > The nVidia has the standard 4 pins. I have no idea how the nVidia > S-Video to Composite cable works. > > In my unscientific testing, the nVidia's composite output was not so > hot. With the the nVidia converter? I assume the card doesn't have separate composite output. With the expensive cable, mine is fine, although there's a little instability around the edges. My TV's fairly old (1995-ish) and I'm not much of a videophile so I'm not too bothered by it. DVDs look fine. > I cranked the saturation control down a lot and that improved > things to the point of being watchable. I have not done systematic > testing so this should not be considered definitive. > > On the other hand, TVout from the ATI wasn't a piece of cake. I > needed a non-standard patch to the ATI driver. > http://megahurts.dk/rune/tv_output.html > Apparently this is too much of a hack for xorg to adopt. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 18:12:53 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:12:53 -0500 Subject: No networking with Debian 3.1 with 2.6 kernel In-Reply-To: <701931.60696.qm-KqvIsxqYR2SB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20061206014701.GA22218@sechs.mushy.xyz> <701931.60696.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061207181253.GL17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 10:07:49PM -0500, tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org wrote: > It is working with the 2.4 kernel. I would assume it > is in the /etc/modules already and it is loaded. Or > am I missing something simple about the 2.4 vs 2.6 > difference? Some modules got renamed between 2.4 and 2.6 so perhaps it was listed but the name was changed. It depends which network card/chip is involved. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 18:12:03 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:12:03 -0500 Subject: extract DTMF from WAV file In-Reply-To: <1165452014.9476.14.camel-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <1165452014.9476.14.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Message-ID: <20061207181203.GK17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 07:40:15PM -0500, Alan Cohen wrote: > Anyone know of a utility that will (STDIN) read a .WAV file, search > through it and (STDOUT) write out a string of any DTMF tones it found in > the file? (An alternative would be an appropriate perl module.) http://www.sephail.net/projects/dtmfkit/ expects to use a sound card. Probably wouldn't be too hard to modify to work from files instead. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 18:24:30 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 07 Dec 2006 13:24:30 -0500 Subject: Portable mail archives? In-Reply-To: <45784C41.4090900-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <45760FEF.7010505@sympatico.ca> <4576E42B.5050204@rogers.com> <45784C41.4090900@telly.org> Message-ID: Evan Leibovitch writes: > Hi all, > > The recent discuission on direct manipulation of mail provoked me to > finally ask about a problem I've had for a while. > > As some of you know, I've been on email for a while and have, in my > time, subecribed to a few lists and received some large files. My "Local > Folders" area under Thunderbird is now about 4.5G and, once that mail > is created it's extremely static. I would love to offload those archives > onto a DVD, free up my HD, and be able to load/mount those archives onto > any system on which I might be reading mail. Having the stuff on a DVD > would also allow me to free up the 4.5GB that it's taking up on my > laptop, and allow me to mount the DVD when I need to search old mail but > otherwise reallocate that part of my hard disk (which on laptops aren't > that big -- the mail folder is now 80% of my laptop's Linux partition). > > Unfortunately, Thunderbird appears to only support "Local Mail" under > its own hierachy and won't allow me to designate, say, "/mnt/removable" > as a directory under which more mail can be found. Or at least I haven't > found a way to do this. Can't you just mount the DVD somewhere else? I don't have any direct experience with Thunderbird but something like this might help: # mount -r /dev/dvd "/home/evan/Thunderbird/Local Mail/Archives" Alternatively, you could use a bind mount to make /mnt/removable appear under the Thuderbird hierarchy: # mount -o bind /mnt/removable \ "/home/evan/Thunderbird/Local Mail/Archives" If Thunderbird needs write access to its Archives (e.g. for indexing, etc.), you could look at unionfs, although I'm unsure of its current state. > Are symlinks the only answer? Bind mounts can replace a lot of the traditional uses of symlinks. Having said that, a symlink tree could solve the write access problem I just mentioned, e.g.: % cp -rs /mnt/removable "/home/evan/Thunderbird/Local Mail/Achives" > On one hand I'd love to consider other Linux MUAs such as Evolution and > Kmail, but I'd prefer a cross platform solution that would allow me to > access my DVD-based mail archives on a Windows system too. That strikes me as a tall order. AFAIK, Windows can only mount DVDs on a drive letter and, unlike symlinks, shortcuts are an application level thing and not supported directly by Windows or its file systems. Haven't you dumped Windows yet? :-) Cheers, Tim -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 19:22:48 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:22:48 -0500 Subject: Portable mail archives? In-Reply-To: References: <45760FEF.7010505@sympatico.ca> <4576E42B.5050204@rogers.com> <45784C41.4090900@telly.org> Message-ID: I didn't know about cp -rs - I forget what exactly I would have wanted a symlink tree for, but that's nice to know, assuming it does what I think it does (make real directory tree, and symlink files) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 19:49:01 2006 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:49:01 -0500 Subject: How to increase the value of a $100 PC to $250 and make it unaffordable In-Reply-To: <457662BB.6060907-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <45760A87.2010503@alteeve.com> <99a6c38f0612051624x2c370206g3cbefca3f9df5b47@mail.gmail.com> <457662BB.6060907@telly.org> Message-ID: <4578702D.5080500@interlog.com> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Also consider: Nobody can STOP Microsoft from porting some version of > Windows to the OLPC. Something like WIndows CE perhaps? That might be about the only version that could be squeezed in to the small OLPC space without having to greatly expand the size of the flash card they plan to use. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 19:58:23 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 07 Dec 2006 14:58:23 -0500 Subject: Portable mail archives? In-Reply-To: References: <45760FEF.7010505@sympatico.ca> <4576E42B.5050204@rogers.com> <45784C41.4090900@telly.org> Message-ID: Simon writes: > I didn't know about cp -rs - I forget what exactly I would have wanted > a symlink tree for, but that's nice to know, assuming it does what I > think it does (make real directory tree, and symlink files) Correct. It's very useful for developers as it allows you to build for multiple platforms from the same source tree, even if the build system doesn't support that directly. Even when the build system has support for concurrent, multi-platform builds, using a symlink tree is often easier! -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 20:14:24 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:14:24 -0500 Subject: How to increase the value of a $100 PC to $250 and make it unaffordable In-Reply-To: <4578702D.5080500-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <45760A87.2010503@alteeve.com> <99a6c38f0612051624x2c370206g3cbefca3f9df5b47@mail.gmail.com> <457662BB.6060907@telly.org> <4578702D.5080500@interlog.com> Message-ID: If the hardware has an SD card slot, storage no longer becomes a constraint on what you run - just yesterday I saw a limited-time sale of a 4GB high speed SD card for less than 90 CAD. Surely that's enough to even run Windows XP, which means that storage is no longer the limiting factor. I cringe whenever I think about Windows being sold to people in poorer areas, it's like selling it to everybody else, only they have less money, which makes it that much more wrong to try to collect money from them for a mediocre OS. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 20:25:57 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:25:57 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: <1165469949.13647.774.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> I'm not this person, but I surely hope that this skill set is worth more than $20/hour! Aaron. On 12/7/06, ted leslie wrote: > > Wanted, > > Linux admin, programmer, > > needs C/C++ or C# programming ability and will then > need to learn C# > (Java programming ability would also do). > Programming on MONO > > also helping in making a live DVD linux distro, > > and tech supporting a 500+ work force of linux users. > > 60+% of time hopefully will be programming. > > 20$/hr to start, contract for first little while, could go to salary. > > Email back to me, make subject MEANINGFUL, > good luck! > Tell your friends! > Must be around GTA area maybe Hamilton to Bowmanville, Lake Ontario to > Barrie rectangle. > > -tl > > P.S. > > i posted about 1-2 months ago, more for the linux support person, > we hired internally, but we really need a jack of all trades, and now > more of a linux admin and programming skills > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 20:26:13 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:26:13 -0500 Subject: Portable mail archives? In-Reply-To: References: <45760FEF.7010505@sympatico.ca> <4576E42B.5050204@rogers.com> <45784C41.4090900@telly.org> Message-ID: Talk about a bad build system - if the build system's method is worse, it should just use a symlink tree! Anyway, the only build system I know, really, is autotools, which is definitely able to do multiplatform builds in separate directories, as long as the maintainer knows how to configure them properly. make distcheck is your friend, and so is ccache.. I would say that symlink trees wouldn't be easier than the way that configure does it (you run the configure script from an arbitrary directory, and then it doesn't pollute the source tree). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 20:31:35 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 20:31:35 +0000 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/7/06, Aaron Vegh wrote: > I'm not this person, but I surely hope that this skill set is worth > more than $20/hour! Yeah, that rate seems rather low for a temporary contract rate. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 21:07:11 2006 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:07:11 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1165525632.4878.39.camel@stan64.site> is full time, contract is just to eval, if person knows their shit, it full time and salary up and up in time. -tl On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 20:31 +0000, Christopher Browne wrote: > On 12/7/06, Aaron Vegh wrote: > > I'm not this person, but I surely hope that this skill set is worth > > more than $20/hour! > > Yeah, that rate seems rather low for a temporary contract rate. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 21:15:38 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:15:38 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: <1165525632.4878.39.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <1165525632.4878.39.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: In my humble opinion, you didn't make that clear enough in the original email. "20$/hr to start, contract for first little while, Could go to salary" is pretty vague and uncertain compared to something like "20/hr for an initial evaluation period to start, but if the candidate is kept, they will be moved to full-time status with a salary" Simon On 12/7/06, ted leslie wrote: > is full time, contract is just to eval, if person knows their shit, it > full time and salary up and up in time. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 21:20:35 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:20:35 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <1165525632.4878.39.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <4386c5b20612071320g6adc43c0k2d67be26264a57bf@mail.gmail.com> Especially for a small business, taking a risk on a new employee is a scary thing. I can certainly understand wanting to pay less on someone with untested skills. On the other side, there should be an understanding that not only would the right person be offered a full-time position, but the salary of that position should be clear as well. The goal of both employer and potential employee should be the same: long-term partnership. As the employee, I might be willing to invest the difference between $20/hour and what I deserve, in exchange for knowing that long-term, I'll be getting what I deserve! :-) Cheers, Aaron. On 12/7/06, Simon wrote: > In my humble opinion, you didn't make that clear enough in the > original email. "20$/hr to start, contract for first little while, > Could go to salary" is pretty vague and uncertain compared to > something like "20/hr for an initial evaluation period to start, but > if the candidate is kept, they will be moved to full-time status with > a salary" > > Simon > > On 12/7/06, ted leslie wrote: > > is full time, contract is just to eval, if person knows their shit, it > > full time and salary up and up in time. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 21:32:54 2006 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:32:54 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20612071320g6adc43c0k2d67be26264a57bf-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <1165525632.4878.39.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071320g6adc43c0k2d67be26264a57bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1165527174.4878.50.camel@stan64.site> our company when we do business in canada goes by the name XXXXX-Telus i like to under sell the position :) i hate hiring on the cusp. -tl On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 16:20 -0500, Aaron Vegh wrote: > Especially for a small business, taking a risk on a new employee is a > scary thing. I can certainly understand wanting to pay less on someone > with untested skills. On the other side, there should be an > understanding that not only would the right person be offered a > full-time position, but the salary of that position should be clear as > well. The goal of both employer and potential employee should be the > same: long-term partnership. As the employee, I might be willing to > invest the difference between $20/hour and what I deserve, in exchange > for knowing that long-term, I'll be getting what I deserve! :-) > > Cheers, > Aaron. > > > > On 12/7/06, Simon wrote: > > In my humble opinion, you didn't make that clear enough in the > > original email. "20$/hr to start, contract for first little while, > > Could go to salary" is pretty vague and uncertain compared to > > something like "20/hr for an initial evaluation period to start, but > > if the candidate is kept, they will be moved to full-time status with > > a salary" > > > > Simon > > > > On 12/7/06, ted leslie wrote: > > > is full time, contract is just to eval, if person knows their shit, it > > > full time and salary up and up in time. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 21:36:32 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:36:32 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061207213631.GM17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 03:25:57PM -0500, Aaron Vegh wrote: > I'm not this person, but I surely hope that this skill set is worth > more than $20/hour! I am still scratching my head over linux admin with C# skills??? Is C# the new java? Yet another fad promissing to solve all your programming problems? I really don't know. It seems to be rather dependant on the windows platform, which makes me not that interested. I don't think programming languages should depend on a platform, they should just offer libraries to interface with whatever platform you compile your code for. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 21:44:41 2006 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:44:41 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: <20061207213631.GM17985-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <20061207213631.GM17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1165527881.4878.57.camel@stan64.site> On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 16:36 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 03:25:57PM -0500, Aaron Vegh wrote: > > I'm not this person, but I surely hope that this skill set is worth > > more than $20/hour! > > I am still scratching my head over linux admin with C# skills??? Is C# > the new java? Yet another fad promissing to solve all your programming Mono is already there and past, and it already solves all my programming problems, and its not dependant on MS at all., and programming languages should never be dependant on OS, hence Mono. However i know that it can be a less know language now then C/C++/Java, i dont have a problem with someone picking it up, as long as they know one of the others. It a week to learn the c# specifics, and learning gtk# or Windows-forms, well thats no different then learning gtk++ if your coming from the c++ side. > problems? I really don't know. It seems to be rather dependant on the > windows platform, which makes me not that interested. I don't think > programming languages should depend on a platform, they should just > offer libraries to interface with whatever platform you compile your > code for. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 22:08:04 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 07 Dec 2006 17:08:04 -0500 Subject: Portable mail archives? In-Reply-To: References: <45760FEF.7010505@sympatico.ca> <4576E42B.5050204@rogers.com> <45784C41.4090900@telly.org> Message-ID: Simon writes: > Talk about a bad build system - if the build system's method is worse, > it should just use a symlink tree! Of course, unless it has to work on that crappy O/S that doesn't have symlinks. And some developers just like to reinvent the wheel, esp. if they don't know wheels exist and even if their wheel is more rectangular than round. Just because there are decent, free tools available, doesn't mean people will use them. Existence proof: Linux and Windows. > Anyway, the only build system I > know, really, is autotools, which is definitely able to do > multiplatform builds in separate directories, as long as the > maintainer knows how to configure them properly. make distcheck is > your friend, and so is ccache.. autotools are like C++ templates. When they work, they're kind of cool, esp. when someone else has done the initial heavy lifting. When they don't work (which is surprisingly often), they're an absolute pain to debug. > I would say that symlink trees wouldn't be easier than the way that > configure does it (you run the configure script from an arbitrary > directory, and then it doesn't pollute the source tree). A symlink tree doesn't pollute the source tree and works every time, even when configure is broken. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 23:43:28 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:43:28 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: <1165527881.4878.57.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <20061207213631.GM17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1165527881.4878.57.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: My issue with C# is that it originated from Microsoft and they control it. Also, unlike Java, its design goals didn't include portability, at least not overtly. I'm leery of it because of that. I'm don't anticipate knowing enough about language design, VM design, and C# to ever make a truly informed judgement, but Microsoft's track record has been proven, and as such, I will always approach anything originating there with some initial skepticism. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 7 23:48:24 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:48:24 -0500 Subject: Portable mail archives? In-Reply-To: References: <45760FEF.7010505@sympatico.ca> <4576E42B.5050204@rogers.com> <45784C41.4090900@telly.org> Message-ID: I find that debugging failed checks with configure scripts from a packager/user perspective hasn't been too bad so far, that's what the config.log is therefore. It goes without saying though that I only learned how to use autoconf because I like automake. As to your last point, it's not configure's fault that the maintainer hard coded paths and didn't run make distcheck. Autoconf could use a starter guide or something, but when used properly, building anywhere works fine. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 00:39:53 2006 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:39:53 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <20061207213631.GM17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1165527881.4878.57.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <1165538393.4878.95.camel@stan64.site> On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 18:43 -0500, Simon wrote: > My issue with C# is that it originated from Microsoft and they control > it. it is a ecma spec, they have no control over it, i mean they can steer new versinos of it, but the language itself has nothing to do with them, in the sense of owning it. > Also, unlike Java, its design goals didn't include portability, its open source, GPL/X11, run on where every you want it (community puts it), including nokia tablet 770, etc,etc,etc. > at least not overtly. I'm leery of it because of that. I'm don't > anticipate knowing enough about language design, VM design, and C# to > ever make a truly informed judgement, but Microsoft's track record has the really cool things about c#/.net/mono like reflection and remoting, MS either bought, i.e. remoting, or just implemented modern research, they didnt innovate much, may nothing, they bought that company that did it. If MS buys sun do you stop using java? buys sony, do you go to panasonic? also if you look at the pedegree of c#, its 80% or more pascal, X% java, Y% c++, Q% C, and maybe streetching it, 0.05% MS, and i dont have a problem using something that MS touch if only slightly. i even own a xbox and xbox360, but i hate microsoft, but i am not going to let that hate ruin a career or how i entertain myself. If you knew/hated MS as much in 89-95 as you do now, what OS would you have used back then on your desk top? Well actually from 81-93 i used apple prodcuts but most people did the dos windows shit. It was looking possible that even before 2007 was over, there could be more c# mono in SUSE then c#/.net in MS vista. The best way to beat Microsoft is to do what ever is best to empower yourself to kick them in the teeth. Mono allows tonnes of MS programmers to effortously bail to Linux as they get frustrated with MS shit over time. -tl > been proven, and as such, I will always approach anything originating > there with some initial skepticism. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 00:52:19 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 07 Dec 2006 19:52:19 -0500 Subject: Portable mail archives? In-Reply-To: References: <45760FEF.7010505@sympatico.ca> <4576E42B.5050204@rogers.com> <45784C41.4090900@telly.org> Message-ID: Simon writes: > I find that debugging failed checks with configure scripts from a > packager/user perspective hasn't been too bad so far, that's what the > config.log is therefore. It goes without saying though that I only > learned how to use autoconf because I like automake. > > As to your last point, it's not configure's fault that the maintainer > hard coded paths and didn't run make distcheck. Autoconf could use a > starter guide or something, but when used properly, building anywhere > works fine. Sigh. I made two simple points: 1) a symlink tree might be a useful tool for managing portable mail archives on read-only media, and 2) a symlink tree can be useful for developers working with broken or limited build systems. The second point and arguments about whether autotools is better/worse, easier/harder to debug, etc. than other systems don't belong in this thread. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 01:30:55 2006 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Lindsay A. B. Moniz) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:30:55 -0500 Subject: Portable mail archives? In-Reply-To: <45784C41.4090900-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <45760FEF.7010505@sympatico.ca> <4576E42B.5050204@rogers.com> <45784C41.4090900@telly.org> Message-ID: <4578C04F.8080107@sympatico.ca> Evan Leibovitch wrote: >Hi all, > >The recent discuission on direct manipulation of mail provoked me to >finally ask about a problem I've had for a while. > >As some of you know, I've been on email for a while and have, in my >time, subecribed to a few lists and received some large files. My "Local >Folders" area under Thunderbird is now about 4.5G and, once that mail >is created it's extremely static. I would love to offload those archives >onto a DVD, free up my HD, and be able to load/mount those archives onto >any system on which I might be reading mail. Having the stuff on a DVD >would also allow me to free up the 4.5GB that it's taking up on my >laptop, and allow me to mount the DVD when I need to search old mail but >otherwise reallocate that part of my hard disk (which on laptops aren't >that big -- the mail folder is now 80% of my laptop's Linux partition). > >Unfortunately, Thunderbird appears to only support "Local Mail" under >its own hierachy and won't allow me to designate, say, "/mnt/removable" >as a directory under which more mail can be found. Or at least I haven't >found a way to do this. > >Are symlinks the only answer? On one hand I'd love to consider other >Linux MUAs such as Evolution and Kmail, but I'd prefer a cross platform >solution that would allow me to access my DVD-based mail archives on a >Windows system too. > >Anyone here have a suggestion? > >- Evan > Evan; You should be able to do what you want with Thunderbird, although I haven't tried it exactly the way you mentioned. Generally speaking, you would need to set up your main mail account to your present Thunderbird hierachy and your Local Folders to /mnt/removable (or wherever your DVD is mounted. It sounds like you only have the Local Folders visible right now. Go to Edit -> Account Settings, then Server Settings under your mail account name. Click on the Advanced button. Make sure the middle radio button ("Inbox for this server's account") is chosen and click OK. Back at the Server Settings section, set the path of "Local Directory" to where your day-to-day mail is (it should already be set to it - if you exit Thunderbird and get back in, you should see your mail under the main mail account as well as under Local Folders). Again from the Account Settings window, go down to Local Folders and set the path for Local Directory to /mnt/removable. I think that may do it, but I don't know what will happen when the DVD is not mounted. You may already know, but it is critical to have ALL of the proper files moved to the DVD (ie. the .sdb and .msf files also). Try it out on a separate directory before you delete anything, just replace /mnt/removable with the directory path you are testing with. I hope I got the gist of what you are looking for. John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 01:34:12 2006 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:34:12 -0500 Subject: mode of no-repeats set Message-ID: <4578C114.2070900@chrisaitken.net> This is off topic but as it is my first, I hope you'll indulge me. You are the smartest people I know. ;-) How can you calcualte the mode of a set of numbers when all numbers are unique (no repeats)? I've checked a math text and some websites and they are all clear: mode is the most frequently occuring number. What if the set is 221, 204, 254, 194, 165 and 176? Thanks. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 01:44:08 2006 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:44:08 -0500 Subject: mode of no-repeats set In-Reply-To: <4578C114.2070900-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4578C114.2070900@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <4578C368.3030506@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > This is off topic but as it is my first, I hope you'll indulge me. You > are the smartest people I know. > ;-) > > How can you calcualte the mode of a set of numbers when all numbers > are unique (no repeats)? I've checked a math text and some websites > and they are all clear: mode is the most frequently occuring number. > > What if the set is 221, 204, 254, 194, 165 and 176? Of course the answer *may* be, "There is no mode for this set." Though it's a little unlikely (and would be annoying). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 01:55:05 2006 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Lindsay A. B. Moniz) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:55:05 -0500 Subject: mode of no-repeats set In-Reply-To: <4578C368.3030506-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4578C114.2070900@chrisaitken.net> <4578C368.3030506@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <4578C5F9.9040602@sympatico.ca> Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > >> This is off topic but as it is my first, I hope you'll indulge me. >> You are the smartest people I know. >> ;-) >> >> How can you calcualte the mode of a set of numbers when all numbers >> are unique (no repeats)? I've checked a math text and some websites >> and they are all clear: mode is the most frequently occuring number. >> >> What if the set is 221, 204, 254, 194, 165 and 176? > > > Of course the answer *may* be, "There is no mode for this set." Though > it's a little unlikely (and would be annoying). > > There is no mode to that set of numbers. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 02:19:13 2006 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:19:13 -0800 Subject: mode of no-repeats set In-Reply-To: <4578C5F9.9040602-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4578C114.2070900@chrisaitken.net> <4578C368.3030506@chrisaitken.net> <4578C5F9.9040602@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4578CBA1.4020501@mathstat.yorku.ca> Lindsay A. B. Moniz wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Chris Aitken wrote: >> >>> This is off topic but as it is my first, I hope you'll indulge me. >>> You are the smartest people I know. >>> ;-) >>> >>> How can you calcualte the mode of a set of numbers when all numbers >>> are unique (no repeats)? I've checked a math text and some websites >>> and they are all clear: mode is the most frequently occuring number. >>> >>> What if the set is 221, 204, 254, 194, 165 and 176? > > There is no mode to that set of numbers. Well, *literally* there's not, no. And practically there's not, either, with such a small sample size. But lots of times you *can* meaningfully speak of a mode, even when no two samples are exactly equal. Basically you're thinking of the samples as being drawn from an infinite population with a probability distribution, and the "mode" is where the probability distribution has a maximum. You can get a good idea where that is from a finite set of data, by grouping them into equal-sized bins and making a histogram. For well-behaved data, the peak of the histogram won't depend much on either the bin size or the endpoints of the bins, until you make the bins so small that there aren't enough samples in each bin to make them well behaved. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 02:36:08 2006 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 21:36:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: mode of no-repeats set In-Reply-To: <4578C114.2070900-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4578C114.2070900@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, Chris Aitken wrote: > This is off topic but as it is my first, I hope you'll indulge me. You are > the smartest people I know. > ;-) > > How can you calcualte the mode of a set of numbers when all numbers are > unique (no repeats)? I've checked a math text and some websites and they are > all clear: mode is the most frequently occuring number. > > What if the set is 221, 204, 254, 194, 165 and 176? The mode is the entire set. -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 03:59:28 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:59:28 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: <1165538393.4878.95.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <20061207213631.GM17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1165527881.4878.57.camel@stan64.site> <1165538393.4878.95.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <4578E320.9060300@telly.org> ted leslie wrote: > it is a ecma spec, Ah, yes, ECMA. The place to go when ISO and IEEE don't want your steekin' standard. :-) > its open source, GPL/X11, run on where every you want it (community puts it), including nokia tablet 770, etc,etc,etc. > Isn't there a difference between "portability is a design goal" and "well, with enough screaming and gnashing of teeth, we got it working on some different platforms". > If MS buys sun do you stop using java? No, but only because there are other sources of Java around (and Sun's committed to open sourcing it, a new owner can't undo it once it's done). Consider: Within months of its purchase by Microsoft, Fox Software -- whose Foxbase was a better dBASE than dBASE -- dropped Unix support, leaving tens of thousands of users scrambling for alternate database solutions. Within months of it receiving investment cash from Microsoft, Corel went from being a longtime avid supporter of Linux (remember the bobsled ads and Netwinders?) to kicking its distribution to the curb (now Xandros) and eliminating Linux support from WordPerfect and CorelDraw, (One of WordPerfect's original claims to fame was its cross-platform operability. Wasn't it originally developed for Data General systems? Now it's just for one platform.) So yes, Ted, from a Linux user's POV Microsoft indeed has a reverse Midas touch. No wonder people are so edgy about the deal with Novell. > buys sony, do you go to panasonic? > Yes, or at least to Nintendo. If MS bought Sony you can bet one of the first casualties would be Playstation support of Linux. > If you knew/hated MS as much in 89-95 as you do now, what OS would you > have used back then on your desk top? Well actually from 81-93 i used > apple prodcuts but most people did the dos windows shit. > From the mid-80s to the mid-90s my home desktop was a variety of Intel-based Unix systems. The first computer program my four-year-old son learned was 'vi', and now he's in his 20s. > The best way to beat Microsoft is to do what ever is best to empower > yourself to kick them in the teeth. > Understood. But when you try to do so using their tools, to a certain extent you're playing by their rules, and that suggests an immediate handicap to challengers. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 04:04:23 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:04:23 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: <4578E320.9060300-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <20061207213631.GM17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1165527881.4878.57.camel@stan64.site> <1165538393.4878.95.camel@stan64.site> <4578E320.9060300@telly.org> Message-ID: <4386c5b20612072004r676b42d5r5c8304c2c88614ab@mail.gmail.com> Jesus Evan, you need to take this show on the road. It's like you're running a FOSS advocacy group or something...uh, wait... On 12/7/06, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > ted leslie wrote: > > it is a ecma spec, > Ah, yes, ECMA. The place to go when ISO and IEEE don't want your > steekin' standard. :-) > > > its open source, GPL/X11, run on where every you want it (community puts it), including nokia tablet 770, etc,etc,etc. > > > Isn't there a difference between "portability is a design goal" and > "well, with enough screaming and gnashing of teeth, we got it working on > some different platforms". > > > If MS buys sun do you stop using java? > No, but only because there are other sources of Java around (and Sun's > committed to open sourcing it, a new owner can't undo it once it's done). > > Consider: > > Within months of its purchase by Microsoft, Fox Software -- whose > Foxbase was a better dBASE than dBASE -- dropped Unix support, leaving > tens of thousands of users scrambling for alternate database solutions. > > Within months of it receiving investment cash from Microsoft, Corel went > from being a longtime avid supporter of Linux (remember the bobsled ads > and Netwinders?) to kicking its distribution to the curb (now Xandros) > and eliminating Linux support from WordPerfect and CorelDraw, > > (One of WordPerfect's original claims to fame was its cross-platform > operability. Wasn't it originally developed for Data General systems? > Now it's just for one platform.) > > So yes, Ted, from a Linux user's POV Microsoft indeed has a reverse > Midas touch. No wonder people are so edgy about the deal with Novell. > > > buys sony, do you go to panasonic? > > > Yes, or at least to Nintendo. If MS bought Sony you can bet one of the > first casualties would be Playstation support of Linux. > > > If you knew/hated MS as much in 89-95 as you do now, what OS would you > > have used back then on your desk top? Well actually from 81-93 i used > > apple prodcuts but most people did the dos windows shit. > > > From the mid-80s to the mid-90s my home desktop was a variety of > Intel-based Unix systems. The first computer program my four-year-old > son learned was 'vi', and now he's in his 20s. > > > The best way to beat Microsoft is to do what ever is best to empower > > yourself to kick them in the teeth. > > > Understood. But when you try to do so using their tools, to a certain > extent you're playing by their rules, and that suggests an immediate > handicap to challengers. > > - Evan > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 08:14:09 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 03:14:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: <20061207175403.GJ17985-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20061207175403.GJ17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 10:50:06PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > Any conversion would have to involve a more complicated circuit. | | Actually according to this: | http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/svideo2cvideo.html | many conversions are really as simple as physically merging the signals. Wow. Thanks for the info. | > I have two video cards (in two different computers) hooked up to two | > TVs. One is an nVidia 5200 and the other is an ATI 9250. Both have | > S-Video connectors with converters to RCA. The converters are *not* | > interchangeable. | > The nVidia has the standard 4 pins. I have no idea how the nVidia | > S-Video to Composite cable works. | | They might do some detection to see if something is connected to all 4 | pins, and if not, it just sends composite signal on 2 pins rather than | svideo on 4 pins. It's possible at least. Or maybe they convert with | the method shown in the link I sent. I think that I saw references to an S-Video/composite setting in the driver control panel when I googled. But there is none in the control panel I have. | The nvout package is supposed to be quite good. I don't real with ati's | crappy drivers any more. Actually, the ATI 9250 card was the last one with an open source driver with acceleration. So this is a plus for ATI. I'm using the open source driver. There is now an open source driver with acceleration for certain newer ATI cards but it is based on reverse engineering, not specs, so it may not be as good as the proprietary driver. At least not yet. Last I checked, the only open source driver that could get anything out of the ATI X1000 family was VESA and that only works for resolutions supported in the BIOS (precious few and odd). I doubt that the nv (open source) driver (with no acceleration) is any good for watching MPEGs on a PII 866. So I'm using the nvidia proprietary driver. Note: this is untested supposition. My Athlon 64 x2 3800+ is using the nv driver and can display MPEGs decently (with mplayer). This machine has an nVidia 7800GTX, with tonnes and tonnes (and Watts) of GPU goodness that I cannot get at because I'm using nv. How sad. I don't want to be using proprietary drivers unless I have to. Why did I buy this fancy card, only to underutilize it? When I bought this system in January, the card was essentially the only Linux-supported PCIe card that could support dual-link DVI. Dual link support is needed for my Dell 3007 monitor: yes, the same one you mentioned earlier. Now there are $100 cards that would do (eg. ATI x1300 with proprietary driver). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 14:02:11 2006 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:02:11 -0500 Subject: OT: Should I be Looking for a New Web Host? Message-ID: <45797063.30608@rogers.com> OK, I develop my web sites on a Linux box.... But I am seeking thoughts from people who are likely on this list. I have a number of low volume web sites, non-commercial. Reliability is not mission critical. I had been with a US host for three years and had no known downtime. I switched last spring to a local company, and have had three significant periods of being down. Most recently noon yesterday and it continues as I write this 20 hours later. There is no telephone support. I sent emergency emails and got responses saying "it should be fixed, try it" When I pinged my domain, I received an error saying host could not be found. I figure the hosts DNS server was the problem.But the support staff do not seem to have the skill set to resolve issues such as this. They use packages like VHCS or cPanel and can only operate within their GUI's. I am being switched to cPanel since it gets better support (and VHCS has poor support). These are from the hosting company. How to interpret is an open question. I am pissed. I was trying to organize an event for Sunday, but the interruption in email seems to have torpedoed that. On the one hand I want to switch hosts, out of principle. On the other, I don't think that I will get any better service elsewhere unless I pay significantly more. Wish I paid some attention to the web hosting thread. All thoughts appreciated. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 14:52:47 2006 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:52:47 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: <4578E320.9060300-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <20061207213631.GM17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1165527881.4878.57.camel@stan64.site> <1165538393.4878.95.camel@stan64.site> <4578E320.9060300@telly.org> Message-ID: On 12/7/06, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > ted leslie wrote: > [..] > > If you knew/hated MS as much in 89-95 as you do now, what OS would you > > have used back then on your desk top? Well actually from 81-93 i used > > apple prodcuts but most people did the dos windows shit. > > > From the mid-80s to the mid-90s my home desktop was a variety of > Intel-based Unix systems. The first computer program my four-year-old > son learned was 'vi', and now he's in his 20s. I used the DOS/Windows s**t and hated it -- so I moved to the far superior OS/2, although there were certainly a few bumps along the way. It was coming along nicely (notwithstanding IBM Marketing's fumbling approach to promoting this technically superior product) while Microsoft was going through the same exercise with Windows 95 that it's since done with Windows NT, Windows XP and now Windows Vista. We had monthly meetings of user groups, a nice magazine, running battles with Microsoft lovers (particularly on the Canopus form on Compuserve) .. it was all the same thing as we have now between GNU/Linux and Windows XP and Windows Vista. Microsoft's approach to launch their new OS seems to be 1. Announce a killer new version, with killer new features; 2. Announce a delay; 3. Announce features that won't be included after all; 4. Trash anyone who says you'll need to double your processor speed, hard drive space, RAM and display resolution; 5. Announce further delays; 6. Announce that because of the new features, the OS will require more resources, like a faster processor, a larger hard drive, more RAM and, hey, you may as well get a better video card while you're at it. Oh, and some applications may no longer work -- you'll have to upgrade those as well. Sorry! 7. Demo an early alpha release -- odds are one in three that it will crash; 8. Corral a couple of corporate early adopters and trot them out at every opportunity; 9. Announce a first beta that works for some and not for others; 10. Announce a second beta that turns out much better; 11. Announce an end to support for the n-2th version of Windows; 12. Announce further delays; 13. Finally commit to a release date; 14. Cue the wanna-be geeks to line up at midnight for their new copy of Windows; and .. 15. Profit?? Of course. Who do you think we're talking about? I swear, you could almost make a board game out of this performance that Microsoft goes through every five years. Do I sound old and cranky yet? ;) -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 15:02:47 2006 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:02:47 -0500 Subject: OT: Should I be Looking for a New Web Host? In-Reply-To: <45797063.30608-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <45797063.30608@rogers.com> Message-ID: Stephen, My web provider is pair.com -- I've been with them for about five years or so. I host a couple of domains under one account and haven't had any significant downtime, ever. They use FreeBSD which is a little different than the Red Hat 9, Fedora Core 4 and Mandrake 10.1 versions that I use at home and at work, but once I'm in a bash shell, no problems. You can get an ftp-only account for under $10/month, and their web-based control panel works fine for setting up domains, E-Mail aliases, gathering statistics, all that stuff. pair.com also hosts Perlmonks (http://www.perlmonks.org) at no cost, which is great value to the community. My two cents. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario On 12/8/06, Stephen wrote: > > OK, I develop my web sites on a Linux box.... > > But I am seeking thoughts from people who are likely on this list. > > I have a number of low volume web sites, non-commercial. Reliability is > not mission critical. > > I had been with a US host for three years and had no known downtime. I > switched last spring to a local company, and have had three significant > periods of being down. Most recently noon yesterday and it continues as > I write this 20 hours later. > > There is no telephone support. I sent emergency emails and got responses > saying "it should be fixed, try it" > > When I pinged my domain, I received an error saying host could not be > found. I figure the hosts DNS server was the problem.But the support > staff do not seem to have the skill set to resolve issues such as this. > > They use packages like VHCS or cPanel and can only operate within their > GUI's. > > I am being switched to cPanel since it gets better support (and VHCS has > poor support). These are from the hosting company. How to interpret is > an open question. > > I am pissed. I was trying to organize an event for Sunday, but the > interruption in email seems to have torpedoed that. > > On the one hand I want to switch hosts, out of principle. On the other, > I don't think that I will get any better service elsewhere unless I pay > significantly more. > > Wish I paid some attention to the web hosting thread. > > All thoughts appreciated. > > Stephen > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 15:40:07 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:40:07 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <20061207213631.GM17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1165527881.4878.57.camel@stan64.site> <1165538393.4878.95.camel@stan64.site> <4578E320.9060300@telly.org> Message-ID: How sweet it would be if I grew up with something Unix-like in my house, I would have been geekier, earlier! I was born in 1986, and have used DOS/3.1/95/98/ME/XP until August 2005, when I finally bit the bullet and put Ubuntu on my box after getting a Linux related co-op job ( to be clear, I had been looking for a job like the job I got, this wasn't a coincidence ). Evan: what you said about portability reflects my sentiment exactly, and thanks for doing the rest of my arguing for me as well ;) Alex: when do we start working on the board game? (I kid) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 15:42:26 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:42:26 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20612072004r676b42d5r5c8304c2c88614ab-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <20061207213631.GM17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1165527881.4878.57.camel@stan64.site> <1165538393.4878.95.camel@stan64.site> <4578E320.9060300@telly.org> <4386c5b20612072004r676b42d5r5c8304c2c88614ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0612080742j53937a8bt674b62d5bdeaab9a@mail.gmail.com> On 12/7/06, Aaron Vegh wrote: > Jesus Evan, you need to take this show on the road. It's like you're > running a FOSS advocacy group or something...uh, wait... LMAO. I think that's about the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. =) -- Scott Elcomb http://atomos.sourceforge.net/ http://search.cpan.org/~selcomb/SAL-3.03/ http://psema4.googlepages.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 15:56:26 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 10:56:26 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <20061207213631.GM17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1165527881.4878.57.camel@stan64.site> <1165538393.4878.95.camel@stan64.site> <4578E320.9060300@telly.org> Message-ID: <45798B2A.7080902@telly.org> Simon wrote: > How sweet it would be if I grew up with something Unix-like in my > house, I would have been geekier, earlier! FWIW, my son -- the one who learned 'vi' at 4 -- is now taking graphic design at Seneca at York. He works part-time at the Yorkdale Apple store, and absolutely despises the Gimp. At least he uses -- and likes -- Drupal for his personal website. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 15:58:48 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:58:48 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <20061207213631.GM17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1165527881.4878.57.camel@stan64.site> <1165538393.4878.95.camel@stan64.site> <4578E320.9060300@telly.org> Message-ID: <20061208155848.GA19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 10:40:07AM -0500, Simon wrote: > How sweet it would be if I grew up with something Unix-like in my > house, I would have been geekier, earlier! I was born in 1986, and > have used DOS/3.1/95/98/ME/XP until August 2005, when I finally bit > the bullet and put Ubuntu on my box after getting a Linux related > co-op job ( to be clear, I had been looking for a job like the job I > got, this wasn't a coincidence ). I did C= Vic20, then Amiga 500 in 1989, then a bit with DOS in 1992, Linux (SLS 1.03) in 93, Windows 3.1 around 93/94 or so, dealt with later versions of windows too. My main OS though for my own use has been Linux since around 1995, and I only really stopped using the Amiga much around then too. Linux seemed to have at least the same power as the Amiga, which dos and windows never did for me. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 16:29:15 2006 From: crepuscule-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Michael Hong) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 11:29:15 -0500 Subject: connection attempts to port 6062 Message-ID: <20061208162915.GA3470@sechs.mushy.xyz> Hi, Anybody notice recent connection attempts to port 6062 ? This morning Rogers was down, apparently in most of Toronto according to tech support. Then I noticed attempts every few seconds to port 6062 in my firewall log for the last couple of days from different IPs. Anyone know what this is? Thanks, Michael -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 16:41:08 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 11:41:08 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: <20061208155848.GA19986-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <20061207213631.GM17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1165527881.4878.57.camel@stan64.site> <1165538393.4878.95.camel@stan64.site> <4578E320.9060300@telly.org> <20061208155848.GA19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <457995A4.608@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 10:40:07AM -0500, Simon wrote: > >> How sweet it would be if I grew up with something Unix-like in my >> house, I would have been geekier, earlier! I was born in 1986, and >> have used DOS/3.1/95/98/ME/XP until August 2005, when I finally bit >> the bullet and put Ubuntu on my box after getting a Linux related >> co-op job ( to be clear, I had been looking for a job like the job I >> got, this wasn't a coincidence ). >> > > I did C= Vic20, then Amiga 500 in 1989, then a bit with DOS in 1992, > Linux (SLS 1.03) in 93, Windows 3.1 around 93/94 or so, dealt with later > versions of windows too. My main OS though for my own use has been > Linux since around 1995, and I only really stopped using the Amiga much > around then too. Linux seemed to have at least the same power as the > Amiga, which dos and windows never did for me. > > My first computer was an IMSAI 8080 which I built in 1976. I bought an XT clone in 1986 and ran DOS on it. Then, in 1991, I got a 386 box, initially ran DOS 5 on it, but switched to OS/2 a year later. I started working with Linux in the mid 90's but switched to is as my main OS in 2002. Incidentally, I was working with VAX/VMS before I ever touched DOS. I therefore found DOS to be extremely limiting. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 17:13:56 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 12:13:56 -0500 Subject: [OT] OSCar - A unique open source project Message-ID: <99a6c38f0612080913y43a7a1o4f093cf11e6d5b18@mail.gmail.com> Business Week Online currently lists this article as the #1 most read. Sounds like a rather interesting idea. Project Page: http://www.theoscarproject.org/ BWO article: http://tinyurl.com/y25dx3 OR: http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/dec2006/id20061208_509041.htm?chan=innovation_innovation+%2B+design_euroscan -- Scott Elcomb http://atomos.sourceforge.net/ http://search.cpan.org/~selcomb/SAL-3.03/ http://psema4.googlepages.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 17:22:02 2006 From: jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Spiro) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 12:22:02 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. (was: Re: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted) Message-ID: 2006/12/8, Simon wrote: > How sweet it would be if I grew up with something Unix-like in my > house, I would have been geekier, earlier! I was born in 1986, and > have used DOS/3.1/95/98/ME/XP until August 2005, when I finally bit > the bullet and put Ubuntu on my box after getting a Linux related > co-op job ( to be clear, I had been looking for a job like the job I > got, this wasn't a coincidence ). I wish I had known about TLUG 5 years ago when I was trying to set up Caldera OpenLinux. :-) > Alex: when do we start working on the board game? (I kid) Perhaps you could just mod Monopoly and could call the result "Linopoly" or something. :-) But c'mon, Vista's bloated, but other than that, it's not such a bad OS for the average clueless end user. Though I must say, Mac OS is better. IMO, Linux, unfortunately, still has too many problems (with 3-D graphics, etc.) for clueless end users. That is why I avoid recommending it to such users. -- Jason Spiro: computer consulting with a smile. I also provide training and spyware removal services for homes and businesses. Call or email for a FREE 5-minute consultation. Satisfaction guaranteed. 416-781-5938 / Email: info-1hdvTAswZAHQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org / MSN: jasonspiro-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 17:28:09 2006 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 12:28:09 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <20061207213631.GM17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1165527881.4878.57.camel@stan64.site> <1165538393.4878.95.camel@stan64.site> <4578E320.9060300@telly.org> Message-ID: <32f6a8880612080928x19d3454bld70cac7b96d5140d@mail.gmail.com> When I was 16 I worked on OS/2 for a friend, i loved it cuz i could multi-task far better then windows 3.1 and (DesqView) if anyone ever remembers that.. I was trying to run 2 bbs's at the same time I think during that time and do some other cool nifty mail stuff. I REALLY dont get how microsoft BEAT out OS/2.... considering it was so much better than windows 3.1.... IBM had far more advance yet windows won. On 12/8/06, Alex Beamish wrote: > > On 12/7/06, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > > > ted leslie wrote: > > [..] > > > If you knew/hated MS as much in 89-95 as you do now, what OS would you > > > have used back then on your desk top? Well actually from 81-93 i used > > > apple prodcuts but most people did the dos windows shit. > > > > > From the mid-80s to the mid-90s my home desktop was a variety of > > Intel-based Unix systems. The first computer program my four-year-old > > son learned was 'vi', and now he's in his 20s. > > > I used the DOS/Windows s**t and hated it -- so I moved to the far superior > OS/2, although there were certainly a few bumps along the way. > > It was coming along nicely (notwithstanding IBM Marketing's fumbling > approach to promoting this technically superior product) while Microsoft was > going through the same exercise with Windows 95 that it's since done with > Windows NT, Windows XP and now Windows Vista. We had monthly meetings of > user groups, a nice magazine, running battles with Microsoft lovers > (particularly on the Canopus form on Compuserve) .. it was all the same > thing as we have now between GNU/Linux and Windows XP and Windows Vista. > > Microsoft's approach to launch their new OS seems to be > > 1. Announce a killer new version, with killer new features; > 2. Announce a delay; > 3. Announce features that won't be included after all; > 4. Trash anyone who says you'll need to double your processor speed, hard > drive space, RAM and display resolution; > 5. Announce further delays; > 6. Announce that because of the new features, the OS will require more > resources, like a faster processor, a larger hard drive, more RAM and, hey, > you may as well get a better video card while you're at it. Oh, and some > applications may no longer work -- you'll have to upgrade those as well. > Sorry! > 7. Demo an early alpha release -- odds are one in three that it will > crash; > 8. Corral a couple of corporate early adopters and trot them out at every > opportunity; > 9. Announce a first beta that works for some and not for others; > 10. Announce a second beta that turns out much better; > 11. Announce an end to support for the n-2th version of Windows; > 12. Announce further delays; > 13. Finally commit to a release date; > 14. Cue the wanna-be geeks to line up at midnight for their new copy of > Windows; and .. > 15. Profit?? Of course. Who do you think we're talking about? > > I swear, you could almost make a board game out of this performance that > Microsoft goes through every five years. Do I sound old and cranky yet? ;) > > -- > Alex Beamish > Toronto, Ontario > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(486) Running linux, then .... new ones :) On 12/8/06, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 10:40:07AM -0500, Simon wrote: > > How sweet it would be if I grew up with something Unix-like in my > > house, I would have been geekier, earlier! I was born in 1986, and > > have used DOS/3.1/95/98/ME/XP until August 2005, when I finally bit > > the bullet and put Ubuntu on my box after getting a Linux related > > co-op job ( to be clear, I had been looking for a job like the job I > > got, this wasn't a coincidence ). > > I did C= Vic20, then Amiga 500 in 1989, then a bit with DOS in 1992, > Linux (SLS 1.03) in 93, Windows 3.1 around 93/94 or so, dealt with later > versions of windows too. My main OS though for my own use has been > Linux since around 1995, and I only really stopped using the Amiga much > around then too. Linux seemed to have at least the same power as the > Amiga, which dos and windows never did for me. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 18:10:59 2006 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:10:59 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. (was: Re: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/8/06, Jason Spiro wrote: > > 2006/12/8, Simon wrote: > [..] > But c'mon, Vista's bloated, but other than that, it's not such a bad > OS for the average clueless end user. Yeah .. history repeats itself here, because we said exactly the same things about Windows 95 over ten years ago .. back then 4M of memory was a decent amount and 8M was plenty. Windows 95 was fine with 16M (a huge amount back then), slow in 8M and useless in 4M. OS/2 did a little better, but really shone in the multi-tasking department. Microsoft first claimed they'd make it zippy in 4M, then gave that up and said, Hey, you'll just have to upgrade your memory. Fortunately, the delays helped, because memory prices slowly fell, and pretty soon 16M and even 64M of memory (wow) was not uncommon. Though I must say, Mac OS is > better. IMO, Linux, unfortunately, still has too many problems (with > 3-D graphics, etc.) for clueless end users. That is why I avoid > recommending it to such users. If I were going to recommend a computer for new users, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend a Mac -- I bought one for my step-son last year, and we plugged it into power and the network, turned it on, and it asked a few simple questions like "Can I use the LAN for Internet access?" and "I've found a network printer, is that the one you want to use?", and that was it. No driver conflicts, no downloads, no battling with IRQs, no screen resolution issues, no reboots -- it just *worked*. The PC as an appliance -- what a concept. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 18:20:02 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:20:02 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880612080926m297111a7u71bbe50443a3ab9e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <20061207213631.GM17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1165527881.4878.57.camel@stan64.site> <1165538393.4878.95.camel@stan64.site> <4578E320.9060300@telly.org> <20061208155848.GA19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880612080926m297111a7u71bbe50443a3ab9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061208182002.GB19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 12:26:30PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Are we the same age group? I was something similiar I was born in 75. > Vic 20 / TRS 80 / Laser 128 (Apple Clone) / IBM AT (12mhz) then no comptuer > for a while. > (486) Running linux, then .... new ones :) I was born in Denmark. TRS 80 was long gone by the time I first heard of Tandy or Radio Shack. Commodore was big though. I got the Amiga not long after we moved to Canada. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 18:25:14 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:25:14 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880612080928x19d3454bld70cac7b96d5140d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <20061207213631.GM17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1165527881.4878.57.camel@stan64.site> <1165538393.4878.95.camel@stan64.site> <4578E320.9060300@telly.org> <32f6a8880612080928x19d3454bld70cac7b96d5140d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061208182514.GC19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 12:28:09PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > When I was 16 I worked on OS/2 for a friend, i loved it cuz i could > multi-task far better then windows 3.1 and (DesqView) if anyone ever > remembers that.. I was trying to run 2 bbs's at the same time I think during > that time and do some other cool nifty mail stuff. > > I REALLY dont get how microsoft BEAT out OS/2.... considering it was so much > better than windows 3.1.... IBM had far more advance yet windows won. Wordperfect ran on DOS. Lotus 123 ran on DOS. Windows 3.x ran on DOS. OS/2 did not run on DOS, and OS/2 did not run DOS applications in many cases since it ran in 286 protected mode, which didn't support 8086 applications fully. Only when OS/2 moved to 386 protected mode in 2.x did they gain access to virtual86 mode which allowed mostly full dos compatibility, and by then it was too late. So I guess OS/2 lost because it wasn't backwards compatible, required a more powerful computer (286 based PS/2 initially I believe), and cost more. I suspect if it had only 2 of those 3 problems it might have had a change, but with all 3 most people just had no reason to bother with it. Also the user interface was a complete inconsistent mess when I plated with one of the later 2.x versions. Related configuration settings would be in different tabs of completely different windows that had to be accessed through different methods. It made no sense at all. They probably already had too much beuracrazy involved in the feature development by that time. I know one telephone PBX/voice mail system guy once told me that they ran their system on OS/2 1.x because every version after 1.x didn't work. So for that company, only the versions that microsoft had worked on actually worked, and the IBM only developed versions were too broken to use for a critical system. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 18:27:06 2006 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:27:06 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880612080928x19d3454bld70cac7b96d5140d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <20061207213631.GM17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1165527881.4878.57.camel@stan64.site> <1165538393.4878.95.camel@stan64.site> <4578E320.9060300@telly.org> <32f6a8880612080928x19d3454bld70cac7b96d5140d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/8/06, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > When I was 16 I worked on OS/2 for a friend, i loved it cuz i could > multi-task far better then windows 3.1 and (DesqView) if anyone ever > remembers that.. I was trying to run 2 bbs's at the same time I think during > that time and do some other cool nifty mail stuff. > > I REALLY dont get how microsoft BEAT out OS/2.... considering it was so > much better than windows 3.1.... IBM had far more advance yet windows won. It's complicated. First of all, OS/2 was a joint project between IBM and Microsoft, and they decided that they wouldn't support Windows as an upgrade path -- all applications would have to be re-written for the Presentation Manager. No upgrade path? Strike one. Then, because the adoption of a new operating system is a chicken and egg thing -- you need applications for the new OS -- Microsoft had to come up with PM applications, writing for a brand new platform. Customers weren't really thrilled about upgrading their OS *and* their applications at the same time. Strike two. Then Microsoft figured out how to get Windows running in protected mode, and decided that, instead of dropping Windows, they'd just release a new version and leave OS/2 to twist in the wind. IBM could write their own applications if they were so smart. Strike three. But the ball game wasn't over yet -- IBM recovered and managed to hack together a Win-OS/2 layer that actually ran Windows programs surprisingly well. They also started funding application development, and there was quite a groundswell of support from various developers tired with Microsoft. OS/2 was beginning to pick up momentum when the Microsoft marketing juggernaut arrived and started making announcements about Chicago, also known as Windows 95. IBM was not able to capitalize on the small window of opportunity they had before the Windows 95 announcements -- companies that might have considered OS/2 recoiled when they heard that Microsoft was coming out with a replacement for Windows 3.1 that ran in protected mode -- no more crashes! Well, would you believe .. fewer crashes? In hindsight, it seems it was a brave choice to cut Windows off from an upgrade path -- the whole thing was a huge hack back when it balanced on top of DOS, and was only marginally better in Windows 95. A more sensible choice would have been to do some kind of Windows emulation, but freeze development on that, and move developers towards PM. And that's a key reason as to why GNU/Linux has been such a success -- the GNU utilities were developed to run on any platform, but lacked an operating system. And Linux was just a kernel. But put the two together, and you have both an operating system *and* the applications. With everything open source, and the Internet to everyone to work together, the possibilities are endless. -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 18:39:38 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 13:39:38 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. (was: Re: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jason Spiro wrote: > 2006/12/8, Simon wrote: >> How sweet it would be if I grew up with something Unix-like in my >> house, I would have been geekier, earlier! I was born in 1986, and >> have used DOS/3.1/95/98/ME/XP until August 2005, when I finally bit >> the bullet and put Ubuntu on my box after getting a Linux related >> co-op job ( to be clear, I had been looking for a job like the job I >> got, this wasn't a coincidence ). > > I wish I had known about TLUG 5 years ago when I was trying to set up > Caldera OpenLinux. :-) > >> Alex: when do we start working on the board game? (I kid) > > Perhaps you could just mod Monopoly and could call the result > "Linopoly" or something. :-) > > But c'mon, Vista's bloated, but other than that, it's not such a bad > OS for the average clueless end user. Though I must say, Mac OS is > better. IMO, Linux, unfortunately, still has too many problems (with > 3-D graphics, etc.) for clueless end users. That is why I avoid > recommending it to such users. > beryl... hands down looks better than anything out there. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 18:11:04 2006 From: interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Interlug Lists) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:11:04 -0500 Subject: HOSUG meeting Tuesday 12 December 2006 Message-ID: <408ae1640612081011u5cc1c08dw73d14f09fb569ce3@mail.gmail.com> This is an email from 'HOSUG - The Hamilton Open Source Users Group' We've got a great lineup for you at the next HOSUG meeting on Tuesday, December 12th from 7:00pm - 10:00pm. Once again we're in the Variety Room, next door to the Staircase Cafe Theatre -- see the website for directions and parking details. Richard will introduce us to the awesome Open Source geographic data project called "Open Street Map", which he describes as "a project aimed squarely at creating and providing free geographic data such as street maps to anyone who wants them; the project was started because most maps you think of as free actually have legal or technical restrictions on their use, holding back people from using them in creative, productive or unexpected ways." He plans to demo the steps in collecting, categorizing and contributing data to OSM. Stephen will talk about wireless networking with a focus on HostAP. If we encourage him, Stevo says he will even perform a live cracking of a wireless connection! See you on Tuesday night! hosug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Playing recorded programs on the currently installed KnoppMyth seems to have a much better quality than when played on a Windows box (with MediaPlayer Classic or VLC via samba.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 19:56:26 2006 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 14:56:26 -0500 Subject: C header files location Message-ID: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> I am trying to install VMware from the original CD. Trying to run vmware-config.pl I am getting: What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] I hit Enter to accept defult and get: The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory. I ran updatedb, then I adjusted the path to reflect directories, tried that and got: The path "/usr/src/linux-2.6.5-1.358/include" is an existing directory, but it does not contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as expected. What am I doing wrong here? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 20:00:44 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 15:00:44 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: <20061208195626.16984.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20061208200044.GC6901@watson-wilson.ca> Can you install the kernel source? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 34 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 20:37:54 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 15:37:54 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: <20061208195626.16984.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: What distribution are you on? The script is looking for linux headers, and your distribution should provide them in an easy to install package. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 20:48:04 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 15:48:04 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The main point to take away from this is that Windows doesn't make bad IT systems, incompetent people make bad IT systems (including windows), and if Windows disappeared from the face of the earth, any incompetent people who were using Windows would move to a different platform and most would continue to make bad products. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 20:52:06 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 15:52:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50830.207.188.66.20.1165611126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> One morning I arrived at Terminal 3 in Toronto to find every display screen in the place displaying the Windows blue screen of death. None of the people behind the desk seemed to find this unusual. Peter > The main point to take away from this is that Windows doesn't make bad > IT systems, incompetent people make bad IT systems (including > windows), and if Windows disappeared from the face of the earth, any > incompetent people who were using Windows would move to a different > platform and most would continue to make bad products. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 22:05:39 2006 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 17:05:39 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4579E1B3.3060000@chrisaitken.net> Simon wrote: > What distribution are you on? FC4. > The script is looking for linux > headers, and your distribution should provide them in an easy to > install package. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 22:15:32 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 22:15:32 +0000 Subject: HOSUG meeting Tuesday 12 December 2006 In-Reply-To: <408ae1640612081011u5cc1c08dw73d14f09fb569ce3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <408ae1640612081011u5cc1c08dw73d14f09fb569ce3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/8/06, Interlug Lists wrote: > Richard will introduce us to the awesome Open Source geographic data project > called "Open Street Map", which he describes as "a project aimed squarely at > creating and providing free geographic data such as street maps to anyone > who wants them; the project was started because most maps you think of as > free actually have legal or technical restrictions on their use, holding > back people from using them in creative, productive or unexpected > ways." He plans to demo the steps in collecting, categorizing and > contributing data to OSM. That is indeed an interesting project. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Main_Page The notion is that you can (typically aided via GPS waypoints) collect information about routes and contribute them into a common GIS. The result of this is free maps. It seems to me that contributing data is a tad involved; in order for the result to be of "cartographic value," it probably needs to be... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 23:16:39 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 18:16:39 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: <20061208195626.16984.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20061208231639.GD19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 02:56:26PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > I am trying to install VMware from the original CD. Trying to run > vmware-config.pl I am getting: > > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > running > kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] > > I hit Enter to accept defult and get: > > The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory. > > I ran updatedb, then I adjusted the path to reflect directories, tried that > and got: > > The path "/usr/src/linux-2.6.5-1.358/include" is an existing directory, but > it > does not contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as > expected. > > What am I doing wrong here? What distribution are you running? On debian I do it this way: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` vmware-config.pl Use /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`/include as the answer to vmware's question. Expand the `uname -r` yourself. Always worked for me. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 8 23:43:35 2006 From: interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Interlug Lists) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 18:43:35 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: <50830.207.188.66.20.1165611126.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50830.207.188.66.20.1165611126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f@mail.gmail.com> On 12/8/06, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > One morning I arrived at Terminal 3 in Toronto to find every display > screen in the place displaying the Windows blue screen of death. None of > the people behind the desk seemed to find this unusual. > That is why it is important to carry a digital camera everywhere you go. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 00:58:09 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 19:58:09 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <50830.207.188.66.20.1165611126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a@mail.gmail.com> > That is why it is important to carry a digital camera everywhere you go. > Fortunately, someone else may have: http://daimyo.org/bsod Cheers, Aaron. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 01:01:11 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 20:01:11 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <50830.207.188.66.20.1165611126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7@mail.gmail.com> Looking further... as seen at Pearson! LOL http://daimyo.org/files/images//629aa49ba63cc8a692fc3da7965ef2f9-36.jpg Aaron On 12/8/06, Aaron Vegh wrote: > > That is why it is important to carry a digital camera everywhere you go. > > > > Fortunately, someone else may have: > http://daimyo.org/bsod > > Cheers, > Aaron. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 01:50:29 2006 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:50:29 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: <457A19FF.3000602-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208231639.GD19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <457A19FF.3000602@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20061209015029.9989.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Chris Aitken writes: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 02:56:26PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> >> >>> I am trying to install VMware from the original CD. Trying to run >>> vmware-config.pl I am getting: >>> >>> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your >>> running >>> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] >>> >>> I hit Enter to accept defult and get: >>> >>> The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory. >>> >>> I ran updatedb, then I adjusted the path to reflect directories, tried >>> that and got: >>> >>> The path "/usr/src/linux-2.6.5-1.358/include" is an existing directory, >>> but it >>> does not contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" >>> as >>> expected. >>> >>> What am I doing wrong here? >>> >> >> What distribution are you running? >> >> On debian I do it this way: >> >> apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` >> vmware-config.pl >> >> Use /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`/include as the answer to vmware's >> question. Expand the `uname -r` yourself. >> >> Always worked for me. yum install linux-headers- 'uname -r' Setting up Install Process Setting up repositories updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 http://mirror.netglobalis.net/pub/fedora/core/4/i386/os/repodata/repomd.xml: [Er rno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 01:37:27 GMT Server: NOYB Content-Length: 313 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Trying other mirror. base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 299 kB 00:02 updates-re: ################################################## 782/782 Added 782 new packages, deleted 0 old in 15.57 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.2 MB 00:10 extras : ################################################## 3988/3988 Added 3988 new packages, deleted 0 old in 58.06 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 824 kB 00:06 base : ################################################## 2772/2772 Added 2772 new packages, deleted 0 old in 36.80 seconds Parsing package install arguments No Match for argument: linux-headers- No Match for argument: uname -r Nothing to do [root at localhost ~]# vmware-config.pl Making sure VMware Workstation's services are stopped. Stopping VMware services: Virtual machine monitor [ OK ] Trying to find a suitable vmmon module for your running kernel. None of VMware Workstation's pre-built vmmon modules is suitable for your running kernel. Do you want this program to try to build the vmmon module for your system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)? [yes] yes Using compiler "/usr/bin/gcc". Use environment variable CC to override. What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /usr/src/linux-headers- 'uname -r'/include The path "/usr/src/linux-headers- 'uname -r'/include" is not an existing directory. What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] I don't think that entirely worked. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 02:54:15 2006 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 21:54:15 -0500 Subject: C header files location References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208231639.GD19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <457A19FF.3000602@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20061209025415.23643.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Interestinghtat I get this... What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /usr/src/linux-2.6.5-1.358/include The path "/usr/src/linux-2.6.5-1.358/include" is an existing directory, but it does not contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as expected. It's interesting because the /usr/src/linux-2.6.5-1.358/include *does* contain a 'linux' directory... Chris chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org writes: > Chris Aitken writes: > >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 02:56:26PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I am trying to install VMware from the original CD. Trying to run >>>> vmware-config.pl I am getting: >>>> >>>> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your >>>> running >>>> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] >>>> >>>> I hit Enter to accept defult and get: >>>> >>>> The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory. >>>> >>>> I ran updatedb, then I adjusted the path to reflect directories, tried >>>> that and got: >>>> >>>> The path "/usr/src/linux-2.6.5-1.358/include" is an existing directory, >>>> but it >>>> does not contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", >>>> "net" as >>>> expected. >>>> >>>> What am I doing wrong here? >>>> >>> >>> What distribution are you running? >>> >>> On debian I do it this way: >>> >>> apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` >>> vmware-config.pl >>> >>> Use /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`/include as the answer to vmware's >>> question. Expand the `uname -r` yourself. >>> >>> Always worked for me. > > yum install linux-headers- 'uname -r' > Setting up Install Process > Setting up repositories > updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > http://mirror.netglobalis.net/pub/fedora/core/4/i386/os/repodata/repomd.xm > l: [Er > rno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 01:37:27 GMT > Server: NOYB > Content-Length: 313 > Connection: close > Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > Trying other mirror. > base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 299 kB 00:02 > updates-re: ################################################## 782/782 > Added 782 new packages, deleted 0 old in 15.57 seconds > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.2 MB 00:10 > extras : ################################################## 3988/3988 > Added 3988 new packages, deleted 0 old in 58.06 seconds > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 824 kB 00:06 > base : ################################################## 2772/2772 > Added 2772 new packages, deleted 0 old in 36.80 seconds > Parsing package install arguments > No Match for argument: linux-headers- > No Match for argument: uname -r > Nothing to do > [root at localhost ~]# vmware-config.pl > Making sure VMware Workstation's services are stopped. > > Stopping VMware services: > Virtual machine monitor [ OK ] > > Trying to find a suitable vmmon module for your running kernel. > > None of VMware Workstation's pre-built vmmon modules is suitable for your > running kernel. Do you want this program to try to build the vmmon module > for > your system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)? > [yes] yes > > Using compiler "/usr/bin/gcc". Use environment variable CC to override. > > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > running > kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /usr/src/linux-headers- 'uname > -r'/include > > The path "/usr/src/linux-headers- 'uname -r'/include" is not an existing > directory. > > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > running > kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] > > I don't think that entirely worked. > > Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 03:18:21 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 22:18:21 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. (was: Re: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think he meant the hardware issues. Right now buying hardware to run Linux on yourself can be a minefield, especially wireless and graphics, and your average person doesn't even want to install an OS themselves. The solution for this really is to get into the hardware business in order to promote the software, bundling and supporting it with the hardware the same way Apple does. I'd love it if there were more businesses engaging in that sort of advocacy, it's much needed. Simon On 12/8/06, Jamon Camisso wrote: > beryl... > > hands down looks better than anything out there. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 03:17:57 2006 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 22:17:57 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: <20061208200044.GC6901-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208200044.GC6901@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <457A2AE5.5010503@chrisaitken.net> Neil Watson wrote: > Can you install the kernel source? I don't know what that means. I know the kernel is the core of the OS. I thought 'source' means 'source code', which I thought means the programming commands that the OS is made of... Man, I'm gonna get flamed for that bit of stupidity. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 03:26:36 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 22:26:36 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: <20061209015029.9989.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208231639.GD19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <457A19FF.3000602@chrisaitken.net> <20061209015029.9989.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: When running a command someone else gave you it's helpful to read the output and make sure that it worked - here we see that nothing was installed: On 12/8/06, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Parsing package install arguments > No Match for argument: linux-headers- > No Match for argument: uname -r > Nothing to do You told yum to install linux headers- and 'uname -r', because a space was added, and single quotes ('') were used instead of backticks (``). The purpose of backticks is to run whatever is inside the backticks, and substitute the output of that command into your command. So if uname -r outputs "2.6.17-10-generic", for example, then linux-headers-`uname -r` becomes linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic. This assumes that that is how your distribution chooses to name its header packages, if it provides header packages at all (it's safe to say that it would provide them though). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 03:27:09 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 22:27:09 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. (was: Re: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4386c5b20612081927q3d2f5faaxd822632027927816@mail.gmail.com> > beryl... > > hands down looks better than anything out there. > For those who didn't know about Beryl, this YouTube video tells all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0ZtcxHUSDQ I think we'll all be in trouble when we confuse nifty eye candy for a truly usable system. It looks better for about 15 minutes, then you get annoyed. There's a lot more work to be done in terms of application integration, viz. Apple's Mac OS X. Cheers, Aaron. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 03:37:51 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 22:37:51 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <50830.207.188.66.20.1165611126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'd laugh, but it's not funny anymore, it just makes me mad >,< On 12/8/06, Aaron Vegh wrote: > Looking further... as seen at Pearson! LOL -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 04:13:09 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 23:13:09 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: <457A2AE5.5010503-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208200044.GC6901@watson-wilson.ca> <457A2AE5.5010503@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: It's ok, man, we all went through this at some point. During my first week with Linux, I thought I needed a kernel recompile to get ndiswrapper working for a couple hours. Then I thought I needed to compile the ndiswrapper module ( I had no clue what I was doing here, either), and week later I think I realized that the kernel came with the ndiswrapper module out of the box, and I could have just installed the ndiswrapper-utils package to get it working. Anyway, I don't know if you want the long explanation for this, but here goes... VMWare is trying to compile a loadable kernel module to extend the functionality of your kernel. You may or may not know that the Linux kernel is written in C, and you also may or may not know how C compilation works. I'm not suggesting that you don't, but in the case that you don't, I'll explain that too.. C code can be split into different files for larger projects, and in this case what will happen is that all of the declarations of functions and user defined data types (ie. how to call the functions or use the data types ) will go into someheaderfile.h, and then the implementation of the functions will go into someheaderfile.c. The .c file will have #include "someheaderfile.h" at the start of the file, and at compile time, the preprocessor just replaces the #include with the contents of someheaderfile.h, and it's as if the code was all in one file. Now, this opens up a bunch of possibilities: if you have something like $ ls useful_functions.h useful_functions.c and you write some more code in a separate file that calls a function declared and defined in the above files, the compiler will complain that you haven't declared the function you are trying to use. To be able to use the functions, though, you don't need to combine all the code into one big file, you just need the header part, and that's why they're separate. The header just says how to call the functions you want to use, and the .c file says what those functions do. When you want to use those functions, you #include the header, and then the compiler will compile your code, including the function calls, without actually having the functions that you're calling. This produces a yourcode.o file that has your code, but not the code in useful_functions.c. To make an executable out of your code, you need a linker, which combines the code from functions.o and yourcode.o, and adds some fluff to call the main function when your executable is run. Now, this means that you only need useful_functions.o and useful_functions.h to compile yourcode.c. This makes it convenient to package useful_functions.o into a shared library, and then your code will just compile against useful_functions.h, and link against libusefulfunctions.so. I hope this all the way over your head, I realize my explanation has gotten long and crappy.. The way this applies to your current situation is that VMWare is compiling a kernel module which is going to link with kernel code in order to add extra functionality to your kernel. You don't need the kernel source code (.c and .h files) to do this, you just need the headers (only .h files) so that the compiler will know how to call the functions that the module is going to use. Installing the source will get you the headers, but it's overkill. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 04:38:58 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:38:58 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: <20061209025415.23643.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208231639.GD19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <457A19FF.3000602@chrisaitken.net> <20061209025415.23643.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Interestinghtat I get this... > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > running > kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /usr/src/linux-2.6.5-1.358/include > The path "/usr/src/linux-2.6.5-1.358/include" is an existing directory, > but it > does not contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as > expected. > It's interesting because the /usr/src/linux-2.6.5-1.358/include *does* > contain a 'linux' directory... > Chris I may be confused on this, but you have to use (at some point) this patch when installing vmware or vmware-tools on a Linux system: http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update105.tar.gz It's been a while, but it could be that the patch sorts things out for you. It will also launch your installation script again for you. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 09:17:56 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 04:17:56 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208231639.GD19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <457A19FF.3000602@chrisaitken.net> <20061209025415.23643.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: On 12/8/06, Jamon Camisso wrote: > I may be confused on this, but you have to use (at some point) this > patch when installing vmware or vmware-tools on a Linux system: > > http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update105.tar.gz > > It's been a while, but it could be that the patch sorts things out for > you. It will also launch your installation script again for you. I never had to use that patch when installing vmware-tools into an Ubuntu system running in a VM on Windows ( This was the closest I could come to using Linux, it wasn't my box, lol), and that was this fall. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vgs-XzQKRVe1yT0V+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 12:28:00 2006 From: vgs-XzQKRVe1yT0V+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org (VGS) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 07:28:00 -0500 Subject: OT: Should I be Looking for a New Web Host? In-Reply-To: <45797063.30608-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <45797063.30608@rogers.com> Message-ID: <457AABD0.2030704@videotron.ca> Stephen wrote: > When I pinged my domain, I received an error saying host could not be > found. I figure the hosts DNS server was the problem.But the support > staff do not seem to have the skill set to resolve issues such as this. > Thats the reason I put xname.org as primary DNS server for my domains. This is a free service and allows me to easily switch between cheap hosting providers(I have 2 of them and pay around $5 per month each). In the last 2 years or so there was 1 major DDOS attack on xname.org which took it down for a couple of days. Apart from that service has been great. Shinoj. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 16:18:02 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 11:18:02 -0500 Subject: OT: Should I be Looking for a New Web Host? In-Reply-To: <457AABD0.2030704-XzQKRVe1yT0V+D8aMU/kSg@public.gmane.org> References: <45797063.30608@rogers.com> <457AABD0.2030704@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On 12/9/06, VGS wrote: > Stephen wrote: > > > When I pinged my domain, I received an error saying host could not be > > found. I figure the hosts DNS server was the problem.But the support > > staff do not seem to have the skill set to resolve issues such as this. > > > > > Thats the reason I put xname.org as primary DNS server for my domains. > This is a free service and allows me to easily switch between cheap > hosting providers(I have 2 of them and pay around $5 per month each). In > the last 2 years or so there was 1 major DDOS attack on xname.org which > took it down for a couple of days. Apart from that service has been great. The *failure* is an excellent demonstration of why you are required to have at least *two* nameservers. Remember: Two is the *MINIMUM.* The maximum is 13. If you're using a "cheap hosting provider," where chances are that the least reliable components will be the servers or connectivity to them, and where the DNS servers they are operating are probably pretty simply configured, it's unlikely that DNS will be your biggest vulnerability. If all your nameservers were pointing to ns0/ns1.mycheaphostingprovider.net, chances are that your main outages will NOT be a result of DNS problems, but rather of servers/networks being down. Under the circumstances you describe, I'd use not two, but three nameservers, thus: 1. Have one that points at ns0.xname.org 2. Another that points via ns1.xname.org 3. Have a THIRD that points to a nameserver managed by your "cheap hosting provider." They probably offer this at no extra charge; take this redundancy, by all means. Having all your nameservers point to xname.org leaves you vulnerable to the problem that someone tries to DDOS xname.org; by having one like (#3) means that if that DDOS happens, all is not lost. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 16:31:59 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 11:31:59 -0500 Subject: OT: Should I be Looking for a New Web Host? In-Reply-To: <457AABD0.2030704-XzQKRVe1yT0V+D8aMU/kSg@public.gmane.org> References: <45797063.30608@rogers.com> <457AABD0.2030704@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On 12/9/06, VGS wrote: > Thats the reason I put xname.org as primary DNS server for my domains. > This is a free service and allows me to easily switch between cheap > hosting providers(I have 2 of them and pay around $5 per month each). In > the last 2 years or so there was 1 major DDOS attack on xname.org which > took it down for a couple of days. Apart from that service has been great. FYI, xname.org is by no means the only such service... Others offering similar include: - freedns.afraid.org - zoneedit.com - www.everydns.net Use of them is not exclusive; you could have your set of nameservers be: ns1.mycheaphostingservice.net ns2.mycheaphostingservice.net ns1.afraid.org ns2.afraid.org ns3.afraid.org ns4.afraid.org ns1.everydns.net ns2.everydns.net ns3.everydns.net The primary downside of that is that you have to configure DNS for your host(s) in all 3 places. But that would definitely give you *way* better redundancy; an attack on one of those services would not leave you vulnerable to having DNS down even though your web server's doing fine... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 17:26:15 2006 From: slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slackrat) Date: 09 Dec 2006 18:26:15 +0100 Subject: OT: Should I be Looking for a New Web Host? In-Reply-To: <457AABD0.2030704-XzQKRVe1yT0V+D8aMU/kSg@public.gmane.org> References: <45797063.30608@rogers.com> <457AABD0.2030704@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <873b7p6kw8.fsf@azurservers.com> VGS writes: > Stephen wrote: > > > When I pinged my domain, I received an error saying host could not > > be found. I figure the hosts DNS server was the problem.But the > > support staff do not seem to have the skill set to resolve issues > > such as this. Good reports can be had at http://www.dnsstuff.com/ Something useful in pinpointing the problem might befound there > > > > > Thats the reason I put xname.org as primary DNS server for my > domains. This is a free service and allows me to easily switch between > cheap hosting providers(I have 2 of them and pay around $5 per month > each). In the last 2 years or so there was 1 major DDOS attack on > xname.org which took it down for a couple of days. Apart from that > service has been great. > Personally I use NO-IP.com for nameservers.even though my IP is static now. Many hosting services/providers only allow you two or three and a thorough investigation will get you slammed as ''leaking nameservers'' if they have more than you are allowed to use NO-IP lists five which is in line with the RFC ''more than two and no more than seven'' -- Regards, Slackrat [Bill Henderson] [No _4Q_ for direct email] X-Shakespeare: "The evil that men do lives after them The good is oft interred with their bones" -- Julius Caesar, III.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From skrishnan-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 18:04:06 2006 From: skrishnan-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (S. Krishnan) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 13:04:06 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: References: <50830.207.188.66.20.1165611126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 22:37 -0500, Simon wrote: > I'd laugh, but it's not funny anymore, it just makes me mad >,< > Try this one then: http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/stuntmutt.html?type=main&image=568 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 18:06:48 2006 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 13:06:48 -0500 Subject: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive In-Reply-To: References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200612061220.13832.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <200612091306.48937.mervc@eol.ca> On Wednesday 06 December 2006 12:41, Jamon Camisso wrote: > > Check the refresh rate for your monitor. I have a new 19" LCD that > looked terrible at 75Hz (dark colours were hideously attenuated). I > switched to 60Hz which the monitor's digital input recommended, and > poof, it looks fantastic. > Will try that, never occured to these tired grey cells. I'm pretty sure it is at 75HZ, the fastest refresh available. Made no difference going to 60 Hz, but when I did my first recording and played it back in an editing program, the picture quality was excellent. Now to record it on a disk and see what the DVD player and tv display. Windows programs are fun.... -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 19:16:53 2006 From: leah-L9i2b+zLJ9LIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org (Leah Kubik) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 14:16:53 -0500 Subject: [OT] Someone w/TV recording ability help for Jan 17th Message-ID: <200612091416.53559.leah@frauerpower.com> Hi guys, I am wondering if anyone could do me a favor and record the following television program for me: It will be called "Workspace S.O.S" and is slotted to air on January 17th. That's on Workopolis TV, which runs from 8 - 8:30 pm, on Report On Business Television. The reason being that I don't have access to television, and I'd like a copy of this since it was filmed in my home office with me, er, starring. Thanks, Leah -- Leah Kubik : d416-585-9971x692 : d416-703-5977 : m416-559-6511 Frauerpower! Co. : www.frauerpower.com : Toronto, ON Canada F9B6 FEFE 080B 8299 D7EA 1270 005C EC73 47C9 B7A6 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 19:19:03 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 09 Dec 2006 14:19:03 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208200044.GC6901@watson-wilson.ca> <457A2AE5.5010503@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: Simon writes: [snip] > Anyway, I don't know if you want the long explanation for this, but > here goes... VMWare is trying to compile a loadable kernel module to > extend the functionality of your kernel. You may or may not know that > the Linux kernel is written in C, and you also may or may not know how > C compilation works. I'm not suggesting that you don't, but in the > case that you don't, I'll explain that too.. [snip] > I hope this all the way over your head, I realize my explanation has > gotten long and crappy.. It was a valiant effort. To answer Chris's question, if the kernel headers are properly installed, they should be located here: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include I believe this is the standard for all modern distributions. To expand this manually on your system: % echo /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include If this directory doesn't exist, the kernel headers aren't installed. I'm not a Fedora user but I'm fairly certain you need to install the kernel-devel package. You should be able to do that with yum. There may be several versions of this package. The version and architecture of this package should match the kernel you have installed. A lot of users seem to struggle with Fedora. I used Red Hat from 2.x through 7.3 and, to a lesser extent 8 and 9. I now mainly use Ubuntu as my desktop and strongly recommend it, esp. to new or non-technical users. On most hardware, it `just works'. IMO, Fedora is unsuitable for the vast majority of users. If your job involves supporting Red Hat systems, Fedora is a reasonable choice for a desktop. Otherwise, go with Ubuntu (or Kubuntu, or Xubuntu). If you want something `user friendly', with commercial support, consider Xandros or (shudder) Linspire. Note that all these `user friendly' distributions are Debian based. Red Hat has publicly stated that Linux isn't ready for the Desktop and I think this philosophy is apparent in their products and the Fedora project. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 19:27:02 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 09 Dec 2006 14:27:02 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> References: <50830.207.188.66.20.1165611126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7@mail.gmail.com> <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> Message-ID: "S. Krishnan" writes: > On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 22:37 -0500, Simon wrote: > > I'd laugh, but it's not funny anymore, it just makes me mad >,< > > > Try this one then: > > http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/stuntmutt.html?type=main&image=568 I once encountered a VIVA bus terminal kiosk stuck at the menu that allows you to enter safe mode after Windows failed to start. If it hadn't been so cold outside, I would have looked for somewhere to plug in a keyboard. Considering these things take credit cards and are located in relatively remote locations, it's astonishing they haven't disabled this mode. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 20:38:04 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 15:38:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Dell 30" LCD sale price today [was Re: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive] In-Reply-To: <20061206215942.GI17985-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20061205204337.8F3F183833@sarg.ryerson.ca> <200612061220.13832.mervc@eol.ca> <20061206185849.GG17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20061206215942.GI17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | Dell just dropped the price of the 3007WFP to $1699. Dell's deal-of-the-day today is this monitor for $1399, including shipping: http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=CAqD7bLWUPI&offerid=88712.353556446&type=10&subid= I got this link from http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=374952 - 2560x1600 is nice - you need a video card that supports dual link DVI (this is one DVI connector with two signal channels). No integrated video controllers do this as far as I know. Most ATI x1000 and nVidia 7000 series have this, but do check. - There is only one input, DVI. The Dell 24" monitor is quite nice, makes fewer demands on the system, and is cheaper. It also supports a lot of different inputs (VGA, composite, DVI-d, S-Video, component). But it only does 1920x1200. I have both monitors. I use the 30" as my primary monitor. I can never go back. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 20:43:53 2006 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 20:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... References: Message-ID: Simon writes: > The main point to take away from this is that Windows doesn't make bad > IT systems, incompetent people make bad IT systems (including > windows), I think that you are jumping to conclusions. I have good reasons to believe that the program may have died due to resource exhaustion and/or hardware problems which led to device access errors followed by Windows 'pulling the rug' from underneath the program (or the program ran out of some resource or did something unexpected - like that division by zero on the NT-powered US battleship). One well-known form of resource exhaustion is the appearance of high frequency interrupts and/or oversized data packets on a device interface that is expected to interrupt at most a few times per second. Same for output contention (e.g. printer ran out of paper). Since Windoze insists to handle the errors itself (popping up nice little useless windows to click OK on) applications have very few chances to cope. This particular kind of poison also works on Linux but less well (because drivers and applications tend to be more robust and because of the lacking 'integration' which causes severe IO access errors to be reported to the application directly, without gimmicky animations). A typical example is a barcode scanner that goes into berserk mode and sends data continuously. Depending on how the driver is done and on how the application can deal with the generated data this may or may not cause mayhem. Similarly a mouse or keyboard that sends invalid data packets can freeze the machine under GUI or crash the application. This is equally true for Linux and Windows. The Lusers will rediscover why high reliability protocols and equipment standards are needed at the latest when these automations built on commodity consumer grade IT equipment will become ubiquitous. In a business with 100 independent cashiers (not necessarily in the same premises) running on a server for 16 hours/day the required uptime will be over 99% to guarantee that less than two service calls will be needed per week in peacetime (meaning outside those times when the network is under DDOS from extrotionists). Windoze does not compete in that class imho. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 21:14:10 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:14:10 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, where I was coming from was that in the case where this app shuts down, the user is presented with a completely unlocked OS, and unfettered access to a keyboard. Therefore, it follows that regardless of the platform, whoever designed that system likely wouldn't have made it robust, they're clearly not thinking very hard about it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 21:05:49 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:05:49 -0500 Subject: Dell 30" LCD sale price today [was Re: KnoppMyth on a 320G drive] In-Reply-To: References: <597778.57538.qm@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20061205204337.8F3F183833@sarg.ryerson.ca> <200612061220.13832.mervc@eol.ca> <20061206185849.GG17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20061206215942.GI17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/days_of_deals?c=ca&cs=CADHS1&l=en&s=dhs direct link -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 21:42:45 2006 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 21:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... References: Message-ID: Simon writes: > Well, where I was coming from was that in the case where this app > shuts down, the user is presented with a completely unlocked OS, and > unfettered access to a keyboard. Therefore, it follows that > regardless of the platform, whoever designed that system likely > wouldn't have made it robust, they're clearly not thinking very hard > about it. Or they did not have any other choice (for lack of mechanisms to control the OS in case of such a failure - f.ex. watchdogs are mandatory for 24/365 unattended operations for a reason - in their case a watchdog could have rebooted the machine - this would likely not have cleared the fault but at least it would have tried to - safe failure is another issue that is mandatory for systems with 24/365 and public access). The competition's idea of safe failure is to give access to the keyboard so a support person can reboot. Or they did not have the experience of having such choices (i.e. they never saw a POS running on Linux before). In the monolith borg world the desktop is everything. Even servers have desktops. One simply cannot control the desktop entirely from user mode. Many Windows installations used in Kiosk mode show this poignantly (and painfully) all over the world. Examples were given here on this thread, and I also saw a few, even stock tickers in bank windows go blue from time to time. It sure looks nice. Provided they show up at the right time and place. The POS failure was definitely not the right time and place imho. I think that a new ad for Linux should be a large screen showing the bluescreen and underneath a caption saying something like 'You tried to go where you wanted to, but it didn't make it. Seek relief at www.LINUX.org' (this could be rearranged as a Haiku but I am not good at that). I have seen Linux kiosk installations and they were solid. I also made some things based on stand-alone machines running NetBSD + X11 + Wish + custom hardware and custom NetBSD drivers for applications for industrial control. When it works, it works. No redefinitions of causality there. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 22:14:09 2006 From: dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org (Dave Bour) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 17:14:09 -0500 Subject: [OT] Someone w/TV recording ability help for Jan 17th Message-ID: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F4730A335E@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms> Leah, I can easily do it however, it's too far out for me to schedule. Send me an email a week before it airs and I'll record it. It will be available via ftp download (I'll send the addess separately) 15 minutes after it finishes If that works for you, let me know D Dave Bour Desktop Solution Center 905.381.0077 dcbour at desktopsolutioncenter.ca For those who just want it to work... Giving you complete IT peace of mind. (Sent via Blackberry - hence message may be shorter than my usual verbose responses) PIN 3010A5AF (as of June 12, 2006) -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug at ss.org To: tlug at ss.org Sent: Sat Dec 09 14:16:53 2006 Subject: [TLUG]: [OT] Someone w/TV recording ability help for Jan 17th Hi guys, I am wondering if anyone could do me a favor and record the following television program for me: It will be called "Workspace S.O.S" and is slotted to air on January 17th. That's on Workopolis TV, which runs from 8 - 8:30 pm, on Report On Business Television. The reason being that I don't have access to television, and I'd like a copy of this since it was filmed in my home office with me, er, starring. Thanks, Leah -- Leah Kubik : d416-585-9971x692 : d416-703-5977 : m416-559-6511 Frauerpower! Co. : www.frauerpower.com : Toronto, ON Canada F9B6 FEFE 080B 8299 D7EA 1270 005C EC73 47C9 B7A6 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 9 23:02:22 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 18:02:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OT] Someone w/TV recording ability help for Jan 17th In-Reply-To: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F4730A335E-hbz38jcr0NLYZa0sO8Gwjj0STfaKdC/d@public.gmane.org> References: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F4730A335E@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms> Message-ID: <20061209230222.18710.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Dave Bour wrote: > Leah, > I can easily do it however, it's too far out for me > to schedule. Send me an email a week before it airs > and I'll record it. It will be available via ftp > download (I'll send the addess separately) 15 > minutes after it finishes > If that works for you, let me know > D > Dave Bour > Desktop Solution Center > 905.381.0077 > dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org Let me echo the above, my MythTV box could do the same as above, not a problem, so I would be happy to act as back-up to Dave Bour. Problem from my point of view being that it is a pain in the @#$% to set-up a MythTV box to record one episode of one particular show more than 14 days out (easy enough to tell the box to record ALL episodes of a show from now until doomsday but that isn't the issue here...). So, please post a note about the show closer to the time it comes out and I am sure someone will be happy to record the show for you. Colin McGregor P.S. my last TV encounter was setting up a LAN for the people shooting "Canada's Worst Handyman 2". Now there is a show I would NOT want to be in front of the camera on... :-) . > For those who just want it to work... > Giving you complete IT peace of mind. > > (Sent via Blackberry - hence message may be shorter > than my usual verbose responses) > PIN 3010A5AF (as of June 12, 2006) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Sat Dec 09 14:16:53 2006 > Subject: [TLUG]: [OT] Someone w/TV recording ability > help for Jan 17th > > Hi guys, > > I am wondering if anyone could do me a favor and > record the following > television program for me: > > It will be called "Workspace S.O.S" and is slotted > to air on January 17th. > That's on Workopolis TV, which runs from 8 - 8:30 > pm, on Report On Business > Television. > > The reason being that I don't have access to > television, and I'd like a copy > of this since it was filmed in my home office with > me, er, starring. > > Thanks, > Leah > -- > Leah Kubik : d416-585-9971x692 : d416-703-5977 : > m416-559-6511 > Frauerpower! Co. : www.frauerpower.com : Toronto, ON > Canada > F9B6 FEFE 080B 8299 D7EA 1270 005C EC73 47C9 B7A6 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 10 01:56:06 2006 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:56:06 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208200044.GC6901@watson-wilson.ca> <457A2AE5.5010503@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20061210015606.28310.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Tim Writer writes: > It was a valiant effort. > > To answer Chris's question, if the kernel headers are properly installed, > they should be located here: > > /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include I guess it's *not* properly installed: What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include The path "/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include" is not an existing directory. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 10 02:09:26 2006 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 21:09:26 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208200044.GC6901@watson-wilson.ca> <457A2AE5.5010503@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20061210020926.9753.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Tim Writer writes: > Simon writes: > > [snip] > >> Anyway, I don't know if you want the long explanation for this, but >> here goes... VMWare is trying to compile a loadable kernel module to >> extend the functionality of your kernel. You may or may not know that >> the Linux kernel is written in C, and you also may or may not know how >> C compilation works. I'm not suggesting that you don't, but in the >> case that you don't, I'll explain that too.. > > [snip] > >> I hope this all the way over your head, I realize my explanation has >> gotten long and crappy.. > > It was a valiant effort. > > To answer Chris's question, if the kernel headers are properly installed, > they should be located here: > > /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include > > I believe this is the standard for all modern distributions. > > To expand this manually on your system: > > % echo /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include > > If this directory doesn't exist, the kernel headers aren't installed. I'm > not a Fedora user but I'm fairly certain you need to install the > kernel-devel package. You should be able to do that with yum. There may be > several versions of this package. The version and architecture of this > package should match the kernel you have installed. Okay, I did a yum install kernel-devel and that went well, but as you can see from the following the vmware-config.pl still can't find the headers: Installing: kernel-devel i686 2.6.17-1.2142_FC4 updates-released 4.5 M Transaction Summary ============================================================================ = Install 1 Package(s) Update 0 Package(s) Remove 0 Package(s) Total download size: 4.5 M Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: (1/1): kernel-devel-2.6.1 100% |=========================| 4.5 MB 00:39 warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2 public key not available for kernel-devel-2.6.17-1.2142_FC4.i686.rpm Retrieving GPG key from file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora Importing GPG key 0x4F2A6FD2 "Fedora Project " Is this ok [y/N]: y Key imported successfully Running Transaction Test Finished Transaction Test Transaction Test Succeeded Running Transaction Installing: kernel-devel ######################### [1/1] Installed: kernel-devel.i686 0:2.6.17-1.2142_FC4 Complete! [root at localhost brian]# mount /media/cdrom mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only [root at localhost brian]# cd /media/cdrom/Linux [root at localhost Linux]# vmware-config.pl Making sure VMware Workstation's services are stopped. Stopping VMware services: Virtual machine monitor [ OK ] Trying to find a suitable vmmon module for your running kernel. None of VMware Workstation's pre-built vmmon modules is suitable for your running kernel. Do you want this program to try to build the vmmon module for your system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)? [yes] Using compiler "/usr/bin/gcc". Use environment variable CC to override. What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory. What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include The path "/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include" is not an existing directory. What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] BTW, thanks for all the help thus far... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 10 03:28:40 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 22:28:40 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: <20061210015606.28310.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208200044.GC6901@watson-wilson.ca> <457A2AE5.5010503@chrisaitken.net> <20061210015606.28310.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: You have to interpolate the `uname -r` part in a shell, and then pass the output to the vmware script. As an example, on my system in a terminal: $ echo /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/build/include $ uname -r 2.6.17-10-generic As you can see, the output of uname -r replaces `uname -r` in the echo command. Simon On 12/9/06, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > running > kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include > > The path "/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include" is not an existing > directory. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 10 10:45:55 2006 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy David Mills) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:45:55 -0500 Subject: Mythtv-Frontend got working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=FrontendOnlyInstall This is the basic guide I used in making a Mythtv FrontEnd. Basically, the idea is to make a normal install, and stop it half way through. Then get the MythTV-FrontEnd to talk to the backend Mythtv. (one doing the recordings) I got it working, but I want to try a few more installs, to get it down to a skience. I had problems in getting any Windows OS to play the MythTV at anywhere near the quality seen on the MythTV server. I tried, networking, VLC, MediaPlayer classic, MythTV filters, Windows MythTV-Player. Everything and anything get proper video quality. Nothing worked. Frames were being dropped left and right. Barely useable. My network 100mbits and cards are 100mbits. I thought either 100mbit was not fast enough, or the video card on the Windows box, playing the MythTV recordings, was underpowered. I thought I had to get a 2X or 4X AGP. etc. etc. I figured that I would install a new MythTV FrontEnd and see how well it would play MythTV-server recordings. It plays them fantastic! YOU CAN EVEN WATCH TV OVER THE NETWORK USING MYTHTV. It is strange to be watching live TV over a common 100mbit network. I can play mythtv-recordings and watch live TV on the FrontEnd. The FrontEnd is using the local filesystem to find Videos and Music. (I am sure you can config it to use the MythTV-backend, if need be) Or I suppose, you could install a 200GB in each FrontEnd, and use each FrontEnd you setup, to store more movies. Teddy David Mills wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone had tried the FrontEnd install of KnoppMyth. > > Playing recorded programs on the currently installed KnoppMyth seems to > have a much better quality than when played on a Windows box > (with MediaPlayer Classic or VLC via samba.) > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 10 14:33:45 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:33:45 -0500 Subject: How to increase the value of a $100 PC to $250 and make it unaffordable In-Reply-To: References: <45760A87.2010503@alteeve.com> <99a6c38f0612051624x2c370206g3cbefca3f9df5b47@mail.gmail.com> <457662BB.6060907@telly.org> <4578702D.5080500@interlog.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990612100633i79920817hf2d4b6515fffab6a@mail.gmail.com> On 12/7/06, Simon wrote: > If the hardware has an SD card slot, storage no longer becomes a > constraint on what you run ... Isn't SD speed a concern? I'm sure the SD slot in these laptops isn't particularly awesome. Even if an alternate OS like Windows were put on one of these cards, it would be go even slower than usual. Slow hardware, limited memory, slow storage.. sounds like windows 95 on a 386 to me. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 10 14:40:30 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:40:30 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: References: <50830.207.188.66.20.1165611126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7@mail.gmail.com> <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> Message-ID: <1e55af990612100640rc113074wb91b9546cbf3c3ed@mail.gmail.com> Hmm.. the story I got from a friend was from an ATM which runs windows 3.1 crashes, and using the touchscreen allows one to play a game of solitaire. =/ I'm not sure where the ATM was though. (could have been Toronto, or New York) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 10 16:20:58 2006 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... References: Message-ID: I guess one has to see the good side in all those crashes. Think about the R&R time the office employees get on account of that alone. It must be tens of hours per year. Here is a real instance: http://www.ousterhout.net/funny/computers_down.jpg Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 10 16:24:37 2006 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... References: Message-ID: Mission critical systems, fly by (the wrong) wire ? http://www.ousterhout.net/funny/windowspanel.jpg Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 10 16:48:42 2006 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... References: Message-ID: Maybe using an alternate display or serial link for boot and debugging messages would be a good idea ? http://www.ousterhout.net/funny/boot.jpg Go on and see more cartoons (many tech related) on this page: http://www.ousterhout.net/funny/ It belongs to Dr. John Ousterhout, the man who wrote TCL/TK. There is even a guy who is p****d at m$ there ;-) (Note: I ignore the political diatribes there) Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 10 16:53:18 2006 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... References: Message-ID: IMPORTANT CORRECTTION: THAT HUMOR PAGE DOES NOT BELONG TO DR. JOHN OUSTERHOUT, THE AUTHOR OF TCL/TK. I wonder where that went by the way, Google cannot find it. I apologize for the wrong attribution. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 10 17:20:52 2006 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:20:52 -0500 Subject: looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: <20061206015431.GB22218-xT+M43ky570+K/Hi72W+XQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> <20061204022913.GC12064@sechs.mushy.xyz> <1165344401.3886.12.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <20061206015431.GB22218@sechs.mushy.xyz> Message-ID: <457C41F4.3060405@interlog.com> Michael Hong wrote: > Thanks, that does look interesting. I had a look at dothost.ca and > abacus.ca - they look like reputable hosts but their prices are a bit > higher than some others I'm looking at. One host I ran across which looks interesting is Canadian Web Hosting (http://www.canadianwebhosting.com/). They charge $4Cdn per month (including taxes!) for a 24 month plan. This gives you 500Meg storage, and 10 databases. I am thinking of using them. I only want to move my current web site to a better host than where my site is currently hosted (my original ISP). They offer more than I need. They seem to charge a bit more for your own domain name but that wouldn't be a problem for me. I don't plan on using a domain name. I wouldn't even know what domain name I would want to use. The only downside I see is adding ~username to the end of their default domain name makes for a rather long root URL. Does anyone know anything about this host (or similarly priced Canadian ones)? -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 10 18:18:45 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:18:45 -0500 Subject: How to increase the value of a $100 PC to $250 and make it unaffordable In-Reply-To: <1e55af990612100633i79920817hf2d4b6515fffab6a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <45760A87.2010503@alteeve.com> <99a6c38f0612051624x2c370206g3cbefca3f9df5b47@mail.gmail.com> <457662BB.6060907@telly.org> <4578702D.5080500@interlog.com> <1e55af990612100633i79920817hf2d4b6515fffab6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It'll be slow, but probably still fast enough to install an OS on.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 10 18:27:27 2006 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:27:27 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> References: <50830.207.188.66.20.1165611126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7@mail.gmail.com> <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> Message-ID: <457C518F.6010608@interlog.com> S. Krishnan wrote: > On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 22:37 -0500, Simon wrote: >> I'd laugh, but it's not funny anymore, it just makes me mad >,< >> > Try this one then: > > http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/stuntmutt.html?type=main&image=568 Nice cartoon. I'm surprised none of these companies have thought to include a watchdog card to force the machines to automatically reboot in the event of a crash. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 10 19:33:29 2006 From: right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org (Amos H. Weatherill) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:33:29 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: <20061210020926.9753.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061210020926.9753.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: Hello all. [snip] What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include [snip] This might be a newbie suggestion but it seems to me that you are telling the installer to look in '/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include' which tells it to look for the lib directory in root not in '/usr/src/linux/include' This script might not be bright enough to prepend the expected path to the one that you provide because you are starting your path with /. Signed. Amos H. Weatherill -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 10 20:10:46 2006 From: tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org (tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:10:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: No networking with Debian 3.1 with 2.6 kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <286865.86530.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This is what I get after a reboot for the 2.4 kernel. Is there anything else you need to help me get eth0 and eth1 working? Linux version 2.4.27-3-686 (pbuilder at dl360-g3) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Thu Sep 14 06:30:39 UTC 2006 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000000e0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 000000007bfb0000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000007bfb0000 - 000000007bfbe000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 000000007bfbe000 - 000000007bfe0000 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: 000000007bfe0000 - 000000007c000000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec01000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000ff780000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) 1087MB HIGHMEM available. 896MB LOWMEM available. found SMP MP-table at 000ff780 hm, page 000ff000 reserved twice. hm, page 00100000 reserved twice. hm, page 000f1000 reserved twice. hm, page 000f2000 reserved twice. On node 0 totalpages: 507824 zone(0): 4096 pages. zone(1): 225280 pages. zone(2): 278448 pages. ACPI: RSDP (v002 ACPIAM ) @ 0x000fa8b0 ACPI: XSDT (v001 A M I OEMXSDT 0x10000505 MSFT 0x00000097) @ 0x7bfb0100 ACPI: FADT (v003 A M I OEMFACP 0x10000505 MSFT 0x00000097) @ 0x7bfb0290 ACPI: MADT (v001 A M I OEMAPIC 0x10000505 MSFT 0x00000097) @ 0x7bfb0390 ACPI: MCFG (v001 A M I OEMMCFG 0x10000505 MSFT 0x00000097) @ 0x7bfb0400 ACPI: OEMB (v001 A M I AMI_OEM 0x10000505 MSFT 0x00000097) @ 0x7bfbe040 ACPI: DSDT (v001 A0403 A0403110 0x00000110 INTL 0x02002026) @ 0x00000000 ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee00000 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x01] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) Processor #0 Unknown CPU [15:4] APIC version 20 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x02] lapic_id[0x81] disabled) Processor #129 invalid (max 16) ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x03] lapic_id[0x82] disabled) Processor #130 invalid (max 16) ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x04] lapic_id[0x83] disabled) Processor #131 invalid (max 16) Using ACPI for processor (LAPIC) configuration information Intel MultiProcessor Specification v1.4 Virtual Wire compatibility mode. OEM ID: TEMPLATE Product ID: APIC at: 0xFEE00000 I/O APIC #1 Version 3 at 0xFEC00000. Enabling APIC mode: Flat. Using 1 I/O APICs Processors: 1 Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda5 ro Initializing CPU#0 Detected 2660.229 MHz processor. Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 5308.41 BogoMIPS Memory: 2000840k/2031296k available (1198k kernel code, 30068k reserved, 451k data, 116k init, 1113792k highmem) Dentry cache hash table entries: 262144 (order: 9, 2097152 bytes) Inode cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 8, 1048576 bytes) Mount cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) Buffer cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) Page-cache hash table entries: 524288 (order: 9, 2097152 bytes) CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: 16K CPU: L2 cache: 1024K Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. CPU: After generic, caps: bfebfbff 20000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: Common caps: bfebfbff 20000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz stepping 01 Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX enabled ExtINT on CPU#0 ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000 ESR value after enabling vector: 00000000 ENABLING IO-APIC IRQs Setting 1 in the phys_id_present_map ...changing IO-APIC physical APIC ID to 1 ... ok. init IO_APIC IRQs IO-APIC (apicid-pin) 1-0, 1-3, 1-5, 1-11, 1-17, 1-19 not connected. ..TIMER: vector=0x31 pin1=2 pin2=0 number of MP IRQ sources: 21. number of IO-APIC #1 registers: 24. testing the IO APIC....................... IO APIC #1...... .... register #00: 01000000 ....... : physical APIC id: 01 ....... : Delivery Type: 0 ....... : LTS : 0 .... register #01: 00178003 ....... : max redirection entries: 0017 ....... : PRQ implemented: 1 ....... : IO APIC version: 0003 .... IRQ redirection table: NR Log Phy Mask Trig IRR Pol Stat Dest Deli Vect: 00 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 01 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 39 02 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 31 03 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 04 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 41 05 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 06 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 49 07 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 51 08 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 59 09 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 61 0a 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 69 0b 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 0c 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 71 0d 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 79 0e 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 81 0f 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 89 10 001 01 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 91 11 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 12 001 01 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 99 13 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 14 001 01 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 A1 15 001 01 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 A9 16 001 01 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 B1 17 001 01 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 B9 IRQ to pin mappings: IRQ0 -> 0:2 IRQ1 -> 0:1 IRQ4 -> 0:4 IRQ6 -> 0:6 IRQ7 -> 0:7 IRQ8 -> 0:8 IRQ9 -> 0:9 IRQ10 -> 0:10 IRQ12 -> 0:12 IRQ13 -> 0:13 IRQ14 -> 0:14 IRQ15 -> 0:15 IRQ16 -> 0:16 IRQ18 -> 0:18 IRQ20 -> 0:20 IRQ21 -> 0:21 IRQ22 -> 0:22 IRQ23 -> 0:23 .................................... done. Using local APIC timer interrupts. calibrating APIC timer ... ..... CPU clock speed is 2660.0723 MHz. ..... host bus clock speed is 133.0035 MHz. cpu: 0, clocks: 1330035, slice: 665017 CPU0 mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch (rgooch-r1x6VkxMR+00zabcByZE4g at public.gmane.org) mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040326 ACPI: Interpreter disabled. PCI: PCI BIOS revision 3.00 entry at 0xf0031, last bus=5 PCI: Using configuration type 1 PCI: Probing PCI hardware PCI: ACPI tables contain no PCI IRQ routing entries PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) Transparent bridge - PCI device 1106:287a (VIA Technologies, Inc.) PCI: Using IRQ router default [1106/3287] at 00:11.0 PCI->APIC IRQ transform: (B0,I16,P0) -> 20 PCI->APIC IRQ transform: (B0,I16,P2) -> 22 PCI->APIC IRQ transform: (B0,I16,P1) -> 21 PCI->APIC IRQ transform: (B0,I16,P3) -> 23 PCI->APIC IRQ transform: (B0,I16,P2) -> 22 PCI->APIC IRQ transform: (B0,I17,P2) -> 22 PCI->APIC IRQ transform: (B0,I18,P0) -> 23 PCI->APIC IRQ transform: (B1,I0,P0) -> 16 PCI->APIC IRQ transform: (B5,I9,P0) -> 18 PCI: Via IRQ fixup for 00:10.3, from 5 to 7 PCI: Via IRQ fixup for 00:10.2, from 3 to 5 PCI: Via IRQ fixup for 00:10.1, from 5 to 6 PCI: Via IRQ fixup for 00:10.0, from 11 to 4 Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 Initializing RT netlink socket Starting kswapd allocated 32 pages and 32 bhs reserved for the highmem bounces VFS: Disk quotas vdquot_6.5.1 devfs: v1.12c (20020818) Richard Gooch (rgooch-r1x6VkxMR+00zabcByZE4g at public.gmane.org) devfs: boot_options: 0x0 pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A COMX: driver version 0.85 (C) 1995-1999 ITConsult-Pro Co. RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 8192K size 1024 blocksize Initializing Cryptographic API NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 IP: routing cache hash table of 16384 buckets, 128Kbytes TCP: Hash tables configured (established 262144 bind 65536) Linux IP multicast router 0.06 plus PIM-SM RAMDISK: cramfs filesystem found at block 0 RAMDISK: Loading 4104 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... |/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|done. Freeing initrd memory: 4104k freed VFS: Mounted root (cramfs filesystem). Freeing unused kernel memory: 116k freed NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0. Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx ide: late registration of driver. VP_IDE: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:0f.0 VP_IDE: chipset revision 7 VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later VP_IDE: Unknown VIA SouthBridge, disabling DMA. hda: Maxtor 6L300R0, ATA DISK drive hdd: SONY DVD RW DW-Q30A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide0: probed IRQ 14 failed, using default. ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 ide1: probed IRQ 15 failed, using default. hda: attached ide-disk driver. hda: 586114704 sectors (300091 MB) w/16384KiB Cache, CHS=36483/255/63 Partition check: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 p10 p11 > Journalled Block Device driver loaded kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Adding Swap: 2104472k swap-space (priority -1) EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.19, 19 August 2002 on ide0(3,5), internal journal Real Time Clock Driver v1.10f SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 hdd: attached ide-scsi driver. scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices Vendor: SONY Model: DVD RW DW-Q30A Rev: YYS3 Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.19, 19 August 2002 on ide0(3,6), internal journal EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.19, 19 August 2002 on ide0(3,7), internal journal EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs usb.c: registered new driver hub usb-uhci.c: $Revision: 1.275 $ time 06:49:09 Sep 14 2006 usb-uhci.c: High bandwidth mode enabled usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xe480, IRQ 23 usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 2 ports detected usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xe800, IRQ 21 usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 2 ports detected usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xe880, IRQ 22 usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 2 ports detected usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xec00, IRQ 20 usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 2 ports detected usb-uhci.c: v1.275:USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver ehci_hcd 00:10.4: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 ehci_hcd 00:10.4: irq 22, pci mem f8882c00 usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 5 ehci_hcd 00:10.4: USB 2.0 enabled, EHCI 1.00, driver 2003-Dec-29/2.4 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 8 ports detected Via 686a/8233/8235 audio driver 1.9.1-ac3 via82cxxx: Six channel audio available PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:11.5 to 64 ac97_codec: AC97 codec, id: ALG97 (Unknown) via82cxxx: Codec rate locked at 48Khz via82cxxx: board #1 at 0xE000, IRQ 22 via-rhine.c:v1.10-LK1.1.19 July-12-2003 Written by Donald Becker http://www.scyld.com/network/via-rhine.html eth0: VIA VT6102 Rhine-II at 0xd800, 00:15:f2:6e:5e:46, IRQ 23. eth0: MII PHY found at address 1, status 0x786d advertising 01e1 Link 41e1. sundance.c:v1.01+LK1.09a 10-Jul-2003 Written by Donald Becker http://www.scyld.com/network/sundance.html eth1: D-Link DFE-530TXS FAST Ethernet Adapter at 0xcc00, 00:05:5d:fb:de:42, IRQ 18. eth1: MII PHY found at address 1, status 0x782d advertising 01e1. pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5 shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001 pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5 pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001 uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1 eth0: Setting full-duplex based on MII #1 link partner capability of 41e1. eth1: Link changed: 10Mbps, half duplex ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team ip_conntrack version 2.1 (8192 buckets, 65536 max) - 288 bytes per conntrack eth1: Promiscuous mode enabled. device eth1 entered promiscuous mode --- Tim Writer wrote: > "tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org" > writes: > > > It is working with the 2.4 kernel. I would assume > it > > is in the /etc/modules already and it is loaded. > Or > > am I missing something simple about the 2.4 vs 2.6 > > difference? > > I wouldn't assume that. The module could have been > loaded via the hotplug > mechanism under 2.4, which has changed for 2.6. > Alternatively, the name of > the module may have changed (IIRC, there are a few > modules where the named > changed from 2.4 to 2.6), support for the module > could have been dropped, > the module may no longer be built by default, or the > module could have been > moved to a separate package. > > Do you know what module you're using under 2.4? If > not, check the output of > "dmesg" following a fresh reboot into 2.4. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 10 21:29:06 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:29:06 -0500 Subject: How to increase the value of a $100 PC to $250 and make it unaffordable In-Reply-To: <1e55af990612100633i79920817hf2d4b6515fffab6a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <45760A87.2010503@alteeve.com> <99a6c38f0612051624x2c370206g3cbefca3f9df5b47@mail.gmail.com> <457662BB.6060907@telly.org> <4578702D.5080500@interlog.com> <1e55af990612100633i79920817hf2d4b6515fffab6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/10/06, Sy Ali wrote: > On 12/7/06, Simon wrote: > > If the hardware has an SD card slot, storage no longer becomes a > > constraint on what you run ... > > Isn't SD speed a concern? I'm sure the SD slot in these laptops isn't > particularly awesome. Ah, but there are two kinds of reads: a) Read-once, as at boot time, where there's a nominal amount of stuff loaded, once. b) Then, after boot, things will be read and will tend to be cached in memory so that subsequent requests are "nearly free." -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 10 22:04:01 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:04:01 -0500 Subject: looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: <20061204023058.GD12064-xT+M43ky570+K/Hi72W+XQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> <1f13df280612031205o669427f8sf45f8ae2c752e6d@mail.gmail.com> <20061204023058.GD12064@sechs.mushy.xyz> Message-ID: <4386c5b20612101404j34e09509yc833266e39d44ad4@mail.gmail.com> Definitely get your domain from another provider; the warnings here are real. I use www.domainsatcost.ca as my registrar. They have pretty decent domain management features, and they cost five cents more than budgetnames.ca for dot-ca names. Cheers, Aaron. On 12/3/06, Michael Hong wrote: > On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:05 -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > > > I second this: buy your domain names separately from your hosting. > > The initial setup is a little more annoying, but your hosting provider > > (who should have a good help system after quizzing GTALUG :-) can walk > > you through any potential problems. Christopher Browne covered the > > ugly scenarios that can happen if you don't own the names yourself - > > and believe me, they're real. > > > > I registered some of my domain names with a local TO company, > > budgetnames.ca - their parent company also owns lowcostdomains.ca and > > registeryour.ca, but budgetnames.ca is the cheapest of the three (it > > offers less services). At the time I didn't have a credit card, and I > > needed a place I could walk in with cash. They haven't been > > enormously helpful, but it's been fine and they're both local and > > cheap. So ... kind of a half-assed recommendation. > > Thanks! I'll check those places out too. > > Michael > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 10 23:57:05 2006 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:57:05 -0500 Subject: looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: <457C41F4.3060405-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> <20061206015431.GB22218@sechs.mushy.xyz> <457C41F4.3060405@interlog.com> Message-ID: <200612101857.07312.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Sunday 10 December 2006 12:20, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Michael Hong wrote: > > Thanks, that does look interesting. I had a look at dothost.ca > > and abacus.ca - they look like reputable hosts but their prices > > are a bit higher than some others I'm looking at. > > One host I ran across which looks interesting is Canadian Web > Hosting (http://www.canadianwebhosting.com/). They charge $4Cdn per > month (including taxes!) for a 24 month plan. This gives you 500Meg > storage, and 10 databases. > > I am thinking of using them. I only want to move my current web > site to a better host than where my site is currently hosted (my > original ISP). They offer more than I need. They seem to charge a > bit more for your own domain name but that wouldn't be a problem > for me. I don't plan on using a domain name. I wouldn't even know > what domain name I would want to use. The only downside I see is > adding ~username to the end of their default domain name makes for > a rather long root URL. Another downside is that if things don't work out with this company, URLs to your content will change, again, when you move elsewhere. Why not just register your own name, kevincozens.com, or something along those lines? Your name is not likely to ever change. > Does anyone know anything about this host (or similarly priced > Canadian ones)? You should be asking, "How can a hosting company turn a profit by charging $4/month (including taxes)?" Are they working on the dotcom model of losing money on every customer but making it up on volume? Are they throwing you and 1000 others on a machine that would otherwise end up in a dumpster? If you've paid for two years up front, assuming they even manage to stay in business until the end of your contract, what assurances do you have that they will provide any sort of support to you should the need arise? One support incident can easily burn through $100. The self-service (or no support) model only works as long as you don't encounter a situation which is beyond your control and doesn't require intervention by the hosting company. Sysadmin time (even if you're outsourcing to India), electrical power, bandwidth, hardware, and ancillary equipment all cost money. What separates good hosting companies from the also-rans is how well they deal with situations when things go wrong and how much preventative maintenance they do. By the way, my company provides hosting services but it's not a retail operation. In other words, we don't chase commodity hosting business, at least certainly not for $4/month. I know people in the commodity hosting business. They're not making any money on commodity hosting and are either getting out of it or trying to move to more specialized hosting where one can still make money. A friend who is in the commodity hosting business decided to roll the dice last year and tried to get really big in a hurry. (It hasn't worked so far.) He has invested thousands on software to automate billing and provisioning in the hopes that he can get his costs down and drop his prices to compete with the silly $4/month hosters. He was telling me that before he did that, it was costing him more to generate invoices and chasing slow or non-paying customers than he was charging, clearly an unsustainable business model. Since he has done that, he still hasn't been making any money because everyone else is trying to do the same thing. He used to generate quite a bit of business by taking out ads on such sites as whir.com but he's finding that he has to spend more money in advertising to generate fewer leads than before. This isn't a "think of the poor hosters" plea so much as a "think like a businessperson" plea so that you can decide if it is in your best interest to go with a seemingly cheap offer or not. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 00:15:38 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:15:38 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: References: <20061210020926.9753.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: On 12/10/06, Amos H. Weatherill wrote: > This might be a newbie suggestion but it seems to me that you are telling > the installer to look in '/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include' which tells > it to look for the lib directory in root not in '/usr/src/linux/include' There's nothing to prepend, that's supposed to be an absolute path, not a relative one like you're suggesting. You can see that it works on my system: $ ls -dl /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/build lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 40 2006-10-29 01:33 /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 00:59:56 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:59:56 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: <457C518F.6010608-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <50830.207.188.66.20.1165611126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7@mail.gmail.com> <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> <457C518F.6010608@interlog.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990612101659l71944e84m6f366d3569ea3bbf@mail.gmail.com> On 12/10/06, Kevin Cozens wrote: > I'm surprised none of these companies have thought to include a watchdog card > to force the machines to automatically reboot in the event of a crash. Sounds like that would cost money.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 02:34:41 2006 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:34:41 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/10/06, Amos H. Weatherill wrote: >This might be a newbie suggestion but it seems to me that you are telling >the installer to look in '/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include' which >tells >it to look for the lib directory in root not in '/usr/src/linux/include' Hi Not sure what the exact problem is but to fix it, get the vmware-any-any-update105 http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/ run the runme.sh and that will start the vmware-config.pl after updating some files. Martin _________________________________________________________________ Off to school, going on a trip, or moving? Windows Live (MSN) Messenger lets you stay in touch with friends and family wherever you go. Click here to find out how to sign up! http://www.telusmobility.com/msnxbox/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 03:35:28 2006 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:35:28 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: <1e55af990612101659l71944e84m6f366d3569ea3bbf-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <50830.207.188.66.20.1165611126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7@mail.gmail.com> <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> <457C518F.6010608@interlog.com> <1e55af990612101659l71944e84m6f366d3569ea3bbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880612101935m12879572sf2f7e475a9533a80@mail.gmail.com> I saw a guy installing Windows Xp PRo on the bank machine at union station. On 12/10/06, Sy Ali wrote: > > On 12/10/06, Kevin Cozens wrote: > > I'm surprised none of these companies have thought to include a watchdog > card > > to force the machines to automatically reboot in the event of a crash. > > Sounds like that would cost money.. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880612101935m12879572sf2f7e475a9533a80-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <50830.207.188.66.20.1165611126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7@mail.gmail.com> <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> <457C518F.6010608@interlog.com> <1e55af990612101659l71944e84m6f366d3569ea3bbf@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880612101935m12879572sf2f7e475a9533a80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880612101935o7af62349t9cf80d75512f9c64@mail.gmail.com> They were upgrading it from Windows Nt HA HA. On 12/10/06, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > I saw a guy installing Windows Xp PRo on the bank machine at union > station. > > On 12/10/06, Sy Ali wrote: > > > > On 12/10/06, Kevin Cozens wrote: > > > I'm surprised none of these companies have thought to include a > > watchdog card > > > to force the machines to automatically reboot in the event of a crash. > > > > Sounds like that would cost money.. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 03:40:55 2006 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:40:55 -0500 Subject: USB Wireless Dongles and Ubuntu Message-ID: <1f13df280612101940j74c5503dv955b5808d40dd0e7@mail.gmail.com> I have a friend with a dual boot computer running Windows XP and Ubuntu Dapper. He'd like to be using Linux more, but we're on the third USB dongle wireless network adapter, and we're both approaching the breaking point (maybe it's just me - he's pretty patient). I've recommended a PCI NIC on general principles, but that may not be viable as he's already forked out some cash. He currently has a Linksys WUSB11 v2.5, which appears to be supported (and works fine under XP). It requires the "linux-wlan-ng" package, something I've never worked with before. We're talking to a 802.11B (not G) hub. I edited /etc/wlan/wlancfg-linux-wlan to include the SSID and WEP=true and the PRIV_GENSTR="secret" (their password). Then ran the following script: modprobe -r prism2_usb modprobe prism2_usb prism2_doreset=1 # found this somewhere else than main docs, but without it - no go wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_ifstate ifstate=enable wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_autojoin ssid=jgc authtype=opensystem ifconfig wlan0 # not needed? dhclient wlan0 # fails here At this point the command 'iwlist scanning' shows the router, including the MAC address, which would seem to indicate that it's got WEP up and running? But 'dhclient' gets no response. It occurs to me, now that I'm several kilometers away that maybe wlan-ng has a dhclient replacement, given its other non-standard behaviour ... Another interesting thing to throw into the mix is that from my laptop, which otherwise seems to be working fine on their wireless network, pinging the router gets me about 50% duplicates - one ping packet sent, anywhere from one to four returned. I've never seen that before (I'm using an Intel chipset on a relatively recent Dell laptop). Any help appreciated. As an alternative, if you know where I could buy a cheap(!) PCI NIC that's _readily_ Linux compatible, I might buy that for him for Christmas. Suggestions on this also welcome. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 03:56:15 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:56:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880612101935m12879572sf2f7e475a9533a80-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <50830.207.188.66.20.1165611126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7@mail.gmail.com> <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> <457C518F.6010608@interlog.com> <1e55af990612101659l71944e84m6f366d3569ea3bbf@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880612101935m12879572sf2f7e475a9533a80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50367.207.188.66.20.1165809375.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> >> > I'm surprised none of these companies have thought to include a >> watchdog >> card >> > to force the machines to automatically reboot in the event of a crash. >> >> Sounds like that would cost money.. Not much money. The main program could create a small process that would periodically send a message somewhere (on a serial port or printer port or via USB, for example). A microprocessor would watch for this and if the signal didn't appear, open a relay that would remove and then resore line power. Or briefly close the reset switch. The microprocessor could be programmed to wait for a 'startup sequence' from the main program so that it wouldn't go into action until the main program was running. The microprocessor *itself* would use its own watchdog timer so it would reorganize itself in the case of, say, a lighting strike. (This is a common feature in five-dollar microprocessors.) The hardware to do this could be done for a few tens of dollars. Even simpler, if an unused printer port is available, you could flip a bit on a data pin and use that to reset a hardware timer. Anybody remember those bandit-bank toys? You put a coin in a slot and very, slowly a door opened. Then a mechanical hand grabbed the coin and the door slammed shut. Inspired by that we put a small door on the front of the PC. When the program crashes, the door opens, a mechanical hand appears and presses the reset button... -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 04:01:09 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:01:09 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: <50367.207.188.66.20.1165809375.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7@mail.gmail.com> <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> <457C518F.6010608@interlog.com> <1e55af990612101659l71944e84m6f366d3569ea3bbf@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880612101935m12879572sf2f7e475a9533a80@mail.gmail.com> <50367.207.188.66.20.1165809375.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: That begs to be seen on tape. On 12/10/06, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Anybody remember those bandit-bank toys? You put a coin in a slot and > very, slowly a door opened. Then a mechanical hand grabbed the coin and > the door slammed shut. Inspired by that we put a small door on the front > of the PC. When the program crashes, the door opens, a mechanical hand > appears and presses the reset button... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 04:07:03 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:07:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: USB Wireless Dongles and Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1f13df280612101940j74c5503dv955b5808d40dd0e7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280612101940j74c5503dv955b5808d40dd0e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <348014.10649.qm@web88214.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You might want to have a read through on this article by Jes Hall: http://www.tuxmagazine.com/node/1000167 All about using ndiswrapper (which to be blunt kind of sucks, running a Windows hardware driver under Linux), but it is another possible option... Colin McGregor --- Giles Orr wrote: > I have a friend with a dual boot computer running > Windows XP and > Ubuntu Dapper. He'd like to be using Linux more, > but we're on the > third USB dongle wireless network adapter, and we're > both approaching > the breaking point (maybe it's just me - he's pretty > patient). I've > recommended a PCI NIC on general principles, but > that may not be > viable as he's already forked out some cash. > > He currently has a Linksys WUSB11 v2.5, which > appears to be supported > (and works fine under XP). It requires the > "linux-wlan-ng" package, > something I've never worked with before. We're > talking to a 802.11B > (not G) hub. I edited /etc/wlan/wlancfg-linux-wlan > to include the > SSID and WEP=true and the PRIV_GENSTR="secret" > (their password). Then > ran the following script: > > modprobe -r prism2_usb > modprobe prism2_usb prism2_doreset=1 # found this > somewhere else than > main docs, but without it - no go > wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_ifstate ifstate=enable > wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_autojoin ssid=jgc > authtype=opensystem > ifconfig wlan0 # not needed? > dhclient wlan0 # fails here > > At this point the command 'iwlist scanning' shows > the router, > including the MAC address, which would seem to > indicate that it's got > WEP up and running? But 'dhclient' gets no > response. It occurs to > me, now that I'm several kilometers away that maybe > wlan-ng has a > dhclient replacement, given its other non-standard > behaviour ... > > Another interesting thing to throw into the mix is > that from my > laptop, which otherwise seems to be working fine on > their wireless > network, pinging the router gets me about 50% > duplicates - one ping > packet sent, anywhere from one to four returned. > I've never seen that > before (I'm using an Intel chipset on a relatively > recent Dell > laptop). > > Any help appreciated. > > As an alternative, if you know where I could buy a > cheap(!) PCI NIC > that's _readily_ Linux compatible, I might buy that > for him for > Christmas. Suggestions on this also welcome. > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 04:09:46 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:09:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: References: <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7@mail.gmail.com> <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> <457C518F.6010608@interlog.com> <1e55af990612101659l71944e84m6f366d3569ea3bbf@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880612101935m12879572sf2f7e475a9533a80@mail.gmail.com> <50367.207.188.66.20.1165809375.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <50445.207.188.66.20.1165810186.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > That begs to be seen on tape. > > On 12/10/06, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >> Anybody remember those bandit-bank toys? You put a coin in a slot and >> very, slowly a door opened. Then a mechanical hand grabbed the coin and >> the door slammed shut. Inspired by that we put a small door on the front >> of the PC. When the program crashes, the door opens, a mechanical hand >> appears and presses the reset button... There was another version which had a toggle switch on the top. You turned it to the ON position and a then mechanical hand would issue forth very slowly from the internals, move the switch to the OFF position, and then retract back into the box. It was like windshield wiper wiring: you turn off the wipers in mid swipe and the motor continues to run until the wipers are in the retracted position. It was an earlier more innocent era, when such a device could entertain for an entire evening. Given the many bizarre variations of PC enclosures (including one that looks like a Darth Vader helmet), I'm surprised someone hasn't implemented this yet. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 04:20:00 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:20:00 -0500 Subject: USB Wireless Dongles and Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1f13df280612101940j74c5503dv955b5808d40dd0e7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280612101940j74c5503dv955b5808d40dd0e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I can't offer much advice, but you always can see the MAC address of the router, authenticated or not. Unfortunately, you may find that ndiswrapper is easier to use than the native driver, but I would be partial to the native one if possible. Also: http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_part.php?brandname=MSI http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=005265&cid=NT.541 I've had mixed results with Ralink (r2500, good, rt2600, bad), but their attitude is pretty good, they release open source drivers. Where they could improve would be to foster a community around development, and develop their drivers in the open instead of developing first before doing a big source drop. Also, the OpenBSD folks said that the code was basically a quick and dirty port of the Windows driver. Regardless, their attitude is much better than a lot of companies, and the fact that they're supported in OpenBSD means that even the firmware is redistributable, and they pass the Theo De Raadt test (lol, see kerneltrap.org/node/7184). I have a Broadcom chip, and Linksys has released source code for their router firmware minus the driver to the Broadcom chip on the router, that's how bad it is. Ironically, the bcm43xx developers did a clean room reimplementation of the driver, when one could argue that Linksys is legally obligated to release the source. Makes me mad to think about that. Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 14:27:48 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:27:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Unix Unanimous meeting - Wed 13 Dec 2006 Message-ID: <20061211142748.38622.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The next meeting of Unix Unanimous will be held at 6:45 pm on Wednesday 13 December 2006, in room BA 5256 of the Bahen Centre for Information Technology at 40 St. George Street, on the University of Toronto campus. Unix Unanimous is an informal gathering of people interested in Unix and related topics. There are no fees or membership requirements, and the meeting is open to all. Participants typically include Unix professionals, students, and hobbyists. The meeting is always held on the second Wednesday of each month. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 15:39:53 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 11 Dec 2006 10:39:53 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208200044.GC6901@watson-wilson.ca> <457A2AE5.5010503@chrisaitken.net> <20061210015606.28310.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: Simon is correct. You have to provide the output of: % echo /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include to vmware, i.e. in Simon's case: /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/build/include Can I make a suggestion? Chris is having a lot of trouble with this and I think part of it is the confusion added by well meaning people who aren't sure of the problem but think they can help. If you don't know with certainty how to help Chris, wait to see if someone else responds before responding with something that might be incorrect. Simon writes: > You have to interpolate the `uname -r` part in a shell, and then pass > the output to the vmware script. > > As an example, on my system in a terminal: > > $ echo /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include > /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/build/include > > $ uname -r > 2.6.17-10-generic > > As you can see, the output of uname -r replaces `uname -r` in the echo command. > > Simon > > On 12/9/06, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > > running > > kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include > > > > The path "/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include" is not an existing > > directory. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 16:08:27 2006 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:08:27 -0500 Subject: Wireless router problem Message-ID: <457D827B.7070606@rogers.com> I have a friend whose Linksys wireless router gets knocked out on a regular basis. The problem also occurred with a Trendnet unit My gut feeling is that the culprit is EMI and that the source was a used 21" CRT that he had just acquired. However, the problem persists after unplugging the CRT. He has also gotten a new cordless phone. Would that be enough to cause the problem? If so, how much separation between the phone and the router would be necessary to solve the problem? Any other suggestions / remedies to solve the problem would be very welcome as well. TIA John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 15:38:17 2006 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:38:17 -0500 Subject: Mythtv-Frontend got working In-Reply-To: <457BE563.3030602-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <457BE563.3030602@knet.ca> Message-ID: <20061211153817.70839854F8@sarg.ryerson.ca> As a MythTV recording is about 4GB/hour, a 10MBit ethernet/wireless should be almost enough to watch. If you transcode it to a better compression, it should work well. ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 16:43:01 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:43:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Wireless router problem In-Reply-To: <457D827B.7070606-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <457D827B.7070606@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20061211164301.75993.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- John McGregor wrote: > I have a friend whose Linksys wireless router gets > knocked out on a > regular basis. The problem also occurred with a > Trendnet unit > My gut feeling is that the culprit is EMI and that > the source was a used > 21" CRT that he had just acquired. However, the > problem persists after > unplugging the CRT. He has also gotten a new > cordless phone. Would that > be enough to cause the problem? If so, how much > separation between the > phone and the router would be necessary to solve the > problem? Any other > suggestions / remedies to solve the problem would be > very welcome as well. There is a known issue with the Linux running Linksys WRT54G* routers when asked to do lots of P2P traffic. Under very worst case situations it can cause the router to crash as often as once per hour (only solution being to turn off/on the router). There is I gather no solution available at present from Linksys, but SOME of the replacement router software created by the Linux community does solve the issue. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From alain.maisonneuve_lists-QX23z+6opsUOxlH4FaG5hA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 17:13:35 2006 From: alain.maisonneuve_lists-QX23z+6opsUOxlH4FaG5hA at public.gmane.org (alain.maisonneuve_lists-QX23z+6opsUOxlH4FaG5hA at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:13:35 -0500 Subject: Wireless router problem In-Reply-To: <20061211164301.75993.qmail-iE2/U85ktn6B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20061211164301.75993.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061211121335.lv8ienjc10um804o@webmail.swiftpenguin.com> I used to have that, but I installed DD-WRT firmware on my linksys router and the problem has gone away. cheers, Alain Quoting Colin McGregor : > --- John McGregor wrote: >> I have a friend whose Linksys wireless router gets >> knocked out on a >> regular basis. The problem also occurred with a >> Trendnet unit >> My gut feeling is that the culprit is EMI and that >> the source was a used >> 21" CRT that he had just acquired. However, the >> problem persists after >> unplugging the CRT. He has also gotten a new >> cordless phone. Would that >> be enough to cause the problem? If so, how much >> separation between the >> phone and the router would be necessary to solve the >> problem? Any other >> suggestions / remedies to solve the problem would be >> very welcome as well. > > There is a known issue with the Linux running Linksys > WRT54G* routers when asked to do lots of P2P traffic. > Under very worst case situations it can cause the > router to crash as often as once per hour (only > solution being to turn off/on the router). There is I > gather no solution available at present from Linksys, > but SOME of the replacement router software created by > the Linux community does solve the issue. > > > Colin McGregor > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 17:16:32 2006 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:16:32 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. (was: Re: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061211121632.3df9eb3a@node1.freeyourmachine.org> On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 22:18:21 -0500 Simon got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > I think he meant the hardware issues. Right now buying hardware to > run Linux on yourself can be a minefield, especially wireless and > graphics, and your average person doesn't even want to install an OS > themselves. The solution for this really is to get into the hardware > business in order to promote the software, bundling and supporting it > with the hardware the same way Apple does. I'd love it if there were > more businesses engaging in that sort of advocacy, it's much needed. Why don't you start one? I'd be in there with my Visa before ya got the place painted ;-) Actually, wait til after Christmas...if you know what I mean...ouch. -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Computer: "Leela, you've got mail. It's not spam!" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 17:36:54 2006 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:36:54 -0500 Subject: Wireless router problem In-Reply-To: <457D827B.7070606-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <457D827B.7070606@rogers.com> Message-ID: <7ac602420612110936x7b878584u2ea5491dc20e0aa@mail.gmail.com> How old is this router? I have an 802.11b router from Linksys and I used to have trouble with it locking up every now and again. The solution was to upgrade the firmware--I had missed about 5 releases. I haven't had any trouble with it since. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 17:46:24 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:46:24 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. (was: Re: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted) In-Reply-To: <20061211121632.3df9eb3a-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20061211121632.3df9eb3a@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: I would, but I'm still in school, and also still figuring out what I would start if I started something (ie. in order of level of ambition: plain old Linux OEM, consumer electronics, or Linux friendly fabless chip designer?). I'm not sure exactly what I'm capable of, and it is of course much easier to just join an existing Linux friendly company. Here's to hoping AMD has the right attitude about ATI's graphics chips and free software, cause one of my dreams is to be able to game on Linux without any compromise. That's the sort of thing that motivates me, believe it or not.. Simon On 12/11/06, JoeHill wrote: > On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 22:18:21 -0500 > Simon got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > > > I think he meant the hardware issues. Right now buying hardware to > > run Linux on yourself can be a minefield, especially wireless and > > graphics, and your average person doesn't even want to install an OS > > themselves. The solution for this really is to get into the hardware > > business in order to promote the software, bundling and supporting it > > with the hardware the same way Apple does. I'd love it if there were > > more businesses engaging in that sort of advocacy, it's much needed. > > Why don't you start one? I'd be in there with my Visa before ya got the place > painted ;-) > > Actually, wait til after Christmas...if you know what I mean...ouch. > > -- > JoeHill / RLU #282046 > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Computer: "Leela, you've got mail. It's not spam!" > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 17:52:37 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:52:37 -0500 Subject: Wireless router problem In-Reply-To: <7ac602420612110936x7b878584u2ea5491dc20e0aa-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <457D827B.7070606@rogers.com> <7ac602420612110936x7b878584u2ea5491dc20e0aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This is sort of off the thread topic, but I remind everyone that Linksys doesn't have a monopoly on Linux compatible routers. I bought mine ( a Motorola WR850G) after it occurred to me to shop for other routers that exist on OpenWRT's hardware compatibility page. So far it's had no problems, but it hasn't been doing NAT for now, because I'm at home until next month. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 17:52:58 2006 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:52:58 -0500 Subject: wireless router problem Message-ID: <457D9AFA.3070102@rogers.com> > How old is this router? I have an 802.11b router from Linksys and I > used to have trouble with it locking up every now and again. The > solution was to upgrade the firmware--I had missed about 5 releases. > I haven't had any trouble with it since. It's a WRT54G and was purchased within the last two months. Because it's so new, I'm cautious about a firmware upgrade until research shows whether the unit can, in fact, accept an upgrade to OSS firmware. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 17:59:21 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:59:21 -0500 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG Meeting, Tue Dec 12 at 7:30 In-Reply-To: <1165857485.25789.6.camel-TK/+w0K9Znpg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <1165857485.25789.6.camel@coral.ss.org> Message-ID: What perspective is this being covered from? Will it be aimed at getting people to visit, or more of a discussion about what it's like starting a Linux oriented cafe from the owner's perspective? :) Thanks, Simon P.S. On 12/11/06, Drew Sullivan wrote: > > Date > > Tuesday December 12, 2006 > > Time > > 7:30 pm > > Topic > > LinuxCaffe > > Speaker > > David J Patrick > > Description > > LinuxCaffe > > Special Note > > Leah Kubik's talk that was previously advertised has been deferred until > the January Meeting. > > Location > > Room GB244, Galbraith Building, University of Toronto > Toronto, Ontario M5S 3G8 > University of Toronto > > Map > > http://oracle.osm.utoronto.ca/map/ > > http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=35+St+George+St,+Toronto,+ON&hl=en > > -- > Drew Sullivan > Systems Software > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 18:00:14 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:00:14 -0500 Subject: wireless router problem In-Reply-To: <457D9AFA.3070102-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <457D9AFA.3070102@rogers.com> Message-ID: You should still try to get a first party firmware update if possible. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 18:00:21 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:00:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: wireless router problem In-Reply-To: <457D9AFA.3070102-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <457D9AFA.3070102@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20061211180021.83718.qmail@web88213.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- John McGregor wrote: > > How old is this router? I have an 802.11b router > from Linksys and I > > used to have trouble with it locking up every now > and again. The > > solution was to upgrade the firmware--I had missed > about 5 releases. > > I haven't had any trouble with it since. > It's a WRT54G and was purchased within the last two > months. Because it's > so new, I'm cautious about a firmware upgrade until > research shows > whether the unit can, in fact, accept an upgrade to > OSS firmware. The most recent WRT54G routers do not come with Linux, thry can be made to run Linux, but, but, but. In essence about the time Linksys started shipping the WRT54GL routers they introduced a cost reduced version of the WRT54G router (less memory, proprietary OS). Folks have found they can still cram a very stripped down Linux into those boxes, but ... So, most WRT54G versions of Linux are off the table for you. Not sure about a solution to your lock-up problem... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 18:33:15 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:33:15 -0500 Subject: Wireless router problem In-Reply-To: <457D827B.7070606-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <457D827B.7070606@rogers.com> Message-ID: <457DA46B.5080707@rogers.com> John McGregor wrote: > I have a friend whose Linksys wireless router gets knocked out on a > regular basis. The problem also occurred with a Trendnet unit > My gut feeling is that the culprit is EMI and that the source was a used > 21" CRT that he had just acquired. However, the problem persists after > unplugging the CRT. He has also gotten a new cordless phone. Would that > be enough to cause the problem? If so, how much separation between the > phone and the router would be necessary to solve the problem? Any other > suggestions / remedies to solve the problem would be very welcome as well. > > I'd suspect the phone, as many use the same 2.4 GHz band as WiFi. You might try changing the WiFi channel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 21:17:23 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 11 Dec 2006 16:17:23 -0500 Subject: Wireless router problem In-Reply-To: <20061211121335.lv8ienjc10um804o-2RFepEojUI1BfbfP7qimxQ7GUfgVobmE@public.gmane.org> References: <20061211164301.75993.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20061211121335.lv8ienjc10um804o@webmail.swiftpenguin.com> Message-ID: I have WRT54GS running an up-to-date OpenWRT. Clients go off-line from time to time, usually when you're in the middle of something really important. I put it down to interference from microwave ovens and such and figure there's little I can do about it. I've come to the conclusion that wireless just sucks! alain.maisonneuve_lists-QX23z+6opsUOxlH4FaG5hA at public.gmane.org writes: > I used to have that, but I installed DD-WRT firmware on my linksys router and > the problem has gone away. > > cheers, > Alain > > Quoting Colin McGregor : > > > --- John McGregor wrote: > >> I have a friend whose Linksys wireless router gets > >> knocked out on a > >> regular basis. The problem also occurred with a > >> Trendnet unit > >> My gut feeling is that the culprit is EMI and that > >> the source was a used > >> 21" CRT that he had just acquired. However, the > >> problem persists after > >> unplugging the CRT. He has also gotten a new > >> cordless phone. Would that > >> be enough to cause the problem? If so, how much > >> separation between the > >> phone and the router would be necessary to solve the > >> problem? Any other > >> suggestions / remedies to solve the problem would be > >> very welcome as well. > > > > There is a known issue with the Linux running Linksys > > WRT54G* routers when asked to do lots of P2P traffic. > > Under very worst case situations it can cause the > > router to crash as often as once per hour (only > > solution being to turn off/on the router). There is I > > gather no solution available at present from Linksys, > > but SOME of the replacement router software created by > > the Linux community does solve the issue. > > > > > > Colin McGregor > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 11 21:44:11 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:44:11 -0500 Subject: Wireless router problem In-Reply-To: References: <20061211164301.75993.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20061211121335.lv8ienjc10um804o@webmail.swiftpenguin.com> Message-ID: Microwave ovens? Blame the US instead :D http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/05/1819216 On 11 Dec 2006 16:17:23 -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > I have WRT54GS running an up-to-date OpenWRT. Clients go off-line from time > to time, usually when you're in the middle of something really important. I > put it down to interference from microwave ovens and such and figure > there's little I can do about it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From skrishnan-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 01:54:08 2006 From: skrishnan-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (S. Krishnan) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:54:08 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: References: <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7@mail.gmail.com> <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> <457C518F.6010608@interlog.com> <1e55af990612101659l71944e84m6f366d3569ea3bbf@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880612101935m12879572sf2f7e475a9533a80@mail.gmail.com> <50367.207.188.66.20.1165809375.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <1165888448.2120.1.camel@ambipapa> On Sun, 2006-12-10 at 23:01 -0500, Simon wrote: > That begs to be seen on tape. > > On 12/10/06, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Anybody remember those bandit-bank toys? You put a coin in a slot and > > very, slowly a door opened. Then a mechanical hand grabbed the coin and > > the door slammed shut. Inspired by that we put a small door on the front > > of the PC. When the program crashes, the door opens, a mechanical hand > > appears and presses the reset button... Photos here: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-SEALED-Magic-Hand-Toy-Coin-Grabbing-Bank-T161_W0QQitemZ200056117280QQihZ010QQcategoryZ885QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 02:13:58 2006 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:13:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: <1165888448.2120.1.camel@ambipapa> References: <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7@mail.gmail.com> <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> <457C518F.6010608@interlog.com> <1e55af990612101659l71944e84m6f366d3569ea3bbf@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880612101935m12879572sf2f7e475a9533a80@mail.gmail.com> <50367.207.188.66.20.1165809375.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <1165888448.2120.1.camel@ambipapa> Message-ID: <50658.207.188.66.20.1165889638.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Photos here: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-SEALED-Magic-Hand-Toy-Coin-Grabbing-Bank-T161_W0QQitemZ200056117280QQihZ010QQcategoryZ885QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > -- That's terrific. I made a lot of money off family friends and relatives with one of those things. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 03:10:56 2006 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:10:56 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. (was: Re: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted) In-Reply-To: References: <20061211121632.3df9eb3a@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20061211221056.55bfecee@node1.freeyourmachine.org> On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:46:24 -0500 Simon got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > Here's to hoping AMD has the right attitude about ATI's graphics > chips and free software, cause one of my dreams is to be able to game > on Linux without any compromise. That's the sort of thing that > motivates me, believe it or not.. Funny you say that, that's exactly what prompted me to reply the way I did. My GL rendering is borked, and I have been to hell and back trying to figure out why. Every single diagnostic I run (glxinfo, blah blah blah, into infinity) says that all the libraries are in the correct path, the right strings are being passed from libGL.so.1, etc. Direct rendering? No (and no, I don't have composite enabled). Sigh. That's why, if someone could set up a box for me that would just do gaming, and handle a reasonable level of graphics (I'm not looking for Doom3 at 1600x1200x24 here), that would be severely hard to resist. I'm so sick of the balancing act between a solid, up-to-date, good build environment, and just having a whole lot of silly fun. MDV 2007 ain't lookin' much better, either. > Simon > > On 12/11/06, JoeHill wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 22:18:21 -0500 > > Simon got an infinite number of monkeys to type out (at the top ;-)): -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Lightspeed briefs: style and comfort for the discriminating crotch." -announcer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 04:06:30 2006 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:06:30 -0500 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG Meeting, Tue Dec 12 at 7:30 In-Reply-To: References: <1165857485.25789.6.camel@coral.ss.org> Message-ID: On 11/12/06, Simon wrote: > > What perspective is this being covered from? Will it be aimed at > getting people to visit, or more of a discussion about what it's like > starting a Linux oriented cafe from the owner's perspective? :) I plan to break it up into three parts; past present and future. past why I opened it, what our initial set-up was like, who made it work and how. present what our set-up is like now, how we use it to run an eclectic, geek-centric caffe, and a few of the things that should be online soon. future what projects are underway, how the linux community might participate and benefit. and then we drink beer. ;-) if that encourages people to visit, great, and it certainly will be from the cafe owners perspective. hope ta see you there, djp -- djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org www.linuxcaffe.ca geek chic and caffe cachet 326 Harbord Street, Toronto, M6G 3A5, (416) 534-2116 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also the capacities of the thinkpad are a little bit limited, so it would be nice not to have too many operations gong on at once. Anyway. I am thinking amarok is the best choice, and wondered what people's experience has been with it. or if you think rhythmbox or banshee is better for my circumstance, or something else entirely, that'd be great too. thanks, matt -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 05:39:48 2006 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:39:48 -0500 Subject: amarok and ipods? In-Reply-To: <1165901468.5574.36.camel@localhost> References: <1165901468.5574.36.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <32f6a8880612112139o5e25c2cfra162e24183c6161c@mail.gmail.com> Amarok's sweet, i personally like 1.4. You can use it with lyrics, added to wikipedia and it uses mysql for its database collection. Its really easy to use... even with rockbox and the only difficulty is ejecting the device if you wanna disconnect it. Searching and playlist are pretty cool to yoiu can add podcasts and convert fairly easily if its setup using the amarok scripts. Anyway. On 12/12/06, Matt Price wrote: > > Hi, > > So I'm finally moving to an ipod for the family stereo system this xmas. > I will probably install rockbox but for now at least I will mostly keep > the thing running the ipod OS so as not to alienate the familial unit. > > My plan is to hook it up to the stereo through an old laptop, an ibm > thinkpad 600e (pII 366mHz)which I am trying hard to get working right > now. I'm hoping to have an interface that not only recognizes and > interacts with the ipod, but can also add mp3's and playlists to the > device itself. THe idea is that all manipulations of the ipod take > place through a single interface, so kids & other family members don't > have to understand too much of of the details of operation. Also the > capacities of the thinkpad are a little bit limited, so it would be nice > not to have too many operations gong on at once. > > Anyway. I am thinking amarok is the best choice, and wondered what > people's experience has been with it. or if you think rhythmbox or > banshee is better for my circumstance, or something else entirely, > that'd be great too. > > thanks, > > matt > > -- > Matt Price > History Dept > University of Toronto > matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Later Brad On 12/12/06, Matt Price wrote: > > Hi, > > So I'm finally moving to an ipod for the family stereo system this xmas. > I will probably install rockbox but for now at least I will mostly keep > the thing running the ipod OS so as not to alienate the familial unit. > > My plan is to hook it up to the stereo through an old laptop, an ibm > thinkpad 600e (pII 366mHz)which I am trying hard to get working right > now. I'm hoping to have an interface that not only recognizes and > interacts with the ipod, but can also add mp3's and playlists to the > device itself. THe idea is that all manipulations of the ipod take > place through a single interface, so kids & other family members don't > have to understand too much of of the details of operation. Also the > capacities of the thinkpad are a little bit limited, so it would be nice > not to have too many operations gong on at once. > > Anyway. I am thinking amarok is the best choice, and wondered what > people's experience has been with it. or if you think rhythmbox or > banshee is better for my circumstance, or something else entirely, > that'd be great too. > > thanks, > > matt > > -- > Matt Price > History Dept > University of Toronto > matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 06:27:59 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 01:27:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: bug-compatible Message-ID: If OpenXML is open, why is it bug compatible with MS Office. Two different bugs! http://www.robweir.com/blog/2006/10/leap-back.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 6 21:38:29 2006 From: billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:38:29 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 6 In-Reply-To: <20061202114403.B14090-l+PWtdWbHAuXFJAUJl40Xg@public.gmane.org>; from billt-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org on Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 11:44:03AM -0500 References: <20061202114403.B14090@diamond.ss.org> Message-ID: <20061206163829.A16301@diamond.ss.org> As promised my notes: Fortunately, I had few problems in this installation. After installations I have had some weirdness occuring and I am still investigating if this is a configuration symptom or a problem with the distribution. The most serious problem I have found is that the machine decides to freeze up for 30 seconds randomly. It has occurred four times in the three days since the machine was installed with Fedora 6. It never occurred in Fedora 5. -------------------------------------------------------------- Preparation 1) I copied the following files onto another filesystem for safe keeping: /etc/fstab /etc/hosts /etc/resolv.conf These files have information in them that will be needed for the post install configuration. 2) I have my /home directory NFS mounted. I made sure that everything that I wanted to keep was safely on those drives. This included the /var/www and /var/log/pgsql /usr/local/ and parts of /usr/lib directories. The /usr/share directory was also copied over just in case some configuration or preferences are needed. Installation The first attempt was a complete failure. The boot CD (fedora 6 cd01) refused to boot. I am not sure why. After several attempts, and after checking the CD itself, I decided that the CD was bad and burnt another CD. The second attempt booted to the boot prompt successfully. I went through to the point where I can choose the install. Anaconda died with a reboot when I chose the Fedora Extras' option. The third attempt was exactly as the second, but I did not choose the 'Fedora Extras' option. This attempt successfully installed the operating system. About an hour later, I rebooted and was in Fedora 6. Comments Overall it was a simple, but fustrating install. I dicided to avoid selinux altogether this time. Perhaps I will do this in the second install of Fedora 6. I'm not sure what is new and shiny in Fedora 6. It looks like all the applications have been updated to there newset releases. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 15:05:04 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:05:04 -0500 Subject: idea question for fellow sysadmins Message-ID: <457EC520.9090605@alteeve.com> Hi all, While trying to decide what hardware support to build into my (new) backup program I got to thinking... Would there be any demand for someone to build a collection of old media hardware for the purpose of recovering old data to a modern format? Before I go to the effort of building a collection of old/obscure media drives though, I wanted to pick TLUGs brain, specially of you sysadmin types. How often, if ever, have you had to find some way of recovering data off of old tapes, MO disks and other media? How many of you have this media laying around and would like to have it converted to something readable (ie: DVD disk, HDD)? If you wanted the data off, would you send it off to a media conversion house? I realize there are questions like filesystem types, file formats and such to consider before I could get off the ground, but I wanted to see if there might be any demand before starting this. Thanks for any feedback! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 15:25:07 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:25:07 -0500 Subject: bug-compatible In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ugh, the part that annoys me most is that your average user won't even care about this, and then other software gets the bad rap instead for not supporting such an "open" standard very well. On 12/12/06, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > If OpenXML is open, why is it bug compatible with MS Office. Two > different bugs! > > http://www.robweir.com/blog/2006/10/leap-back.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 15:28:26 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:28:26 -0500 Subject: amarok and ipods? In-Reply-To: References: <1165901468.5574.36.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Indeed, amarok is a killer app, safely recommendable to people who aren't geeks. I've briefly tried it with an iPod shuffle that wasn't mine and it seemed to work fine. Setting up automatic transcoding requires getting a script like transkode installed, some may find that confusing, but once it's up and running, it's pretty easy to add music to a device. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 15:35:08 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:35:08 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: <1e55af990612100640rc113074wb91b9546cbf3c3ed-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <50830.207.188.66.20.1165611126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7@mail.gmail.com> <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> <1e55af990612100640rc113074wb91b9546cbf3c3ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061212153508.GE19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 09:40:30AM -0500, Sy Ali wrote: > Hmm.. the story I got from a friend was from an ATM which runs windows > 3.1 crashes, and using the touchscreen allows one to play a game of > solitaire. =/ > > I'm not sure where the ATM was though. (could have been Toronto, or New > York) I have only seen ATMs running QNX, OS/2 and NT4. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 15:38:19 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:38:19 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. (was: Re: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted) In-Reply-To: <20061211221056.55bfecee-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20061211121632.3df9eb3a@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061211221056.55bfecee@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: Have you ran glxinfo like LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo? If your Xorg.log seems to indicate you have it, but glxinfo says you don't, that will tell you why. As for me, I have hardware acceleration working fine, but fglrx is slower than Windows, and freezes the box on logout, while r300 is more stable than fglrx (things break, but just crash the app and not the hardware) but way slower than either of ATI's drivers. On 12/11/06, JoeHill wrote: > On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:46:24 -0500 > Simon got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > > > Here's to hoping AMD has the right attitude about ATI's graphics > > chips and free software, cause one of my dreams is to be able to game > > on Linux without any compromise. That's the sort of thing that > > motivates me, believe it or not.. > > Funny you say that, that's exactly what prompted me to reply the way I did. My > GL rendering is borked, and I have been to hell and back trying to figure out > why. Every single diagnostic I run (glxinfo, blah blah blah, into infinity) > says that all the libraries are in the correct path, the right strings are > being passed from libGL.so.1, etc. > > Direct rendering? No (and no, I don't have composite enabled). > > Sigh. That's why, if someone could set up a box for me that would just do > gaming, and handle a reasonable level of graphics (I'm not looking for Doom3 at > 1600x1200x24 here), that would be severely hard to resist. I'm so sick of the > balancing act between a solid, up-to-date, good build environment, and just > having a whole lot of silly fun. MDV 2007 ain't lookin' much better, either. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 15:46:05 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:46:05 -0500 Subject: idea question for fellow sysadmins In-Reply-To: <457EC520.9090605-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <457EC520.9090605@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20061212154605.GA5234@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 10:05:04AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Would there be any demand for someone to build a collection of old >media hardware for the purpose of recovering old data to a modern >format? Before I go to the effort of building a collection of >old/obscure media drives though, I wanted to pick TLUGs brain, specially >of you sysadmin types. I have been asked about physical media a couple of times, but most of my data-recovery tasks revolve around bad floppies or file formats that are no longer accessable, like StarWriter, or compressed files on Mac-based floppies or I-forgot-the-password-on-my-Access-database kind of thing. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 16:04:35 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:04:35 -0500 Subject: idea question for fellow sysadmins In-Reply-To: <457EC520.9090605-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <457EC520.9090605@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <457ED313.7080309@telly.org> Madison Kelly wrote: > Would there be any demand for someone to build a collection of old > media hardware for the purpose of recovering old data to a modern > format? Before I go to the effort of building a collection of > old/obscure media drives though, I wanted to pick TLUGs brain, > specially of you sysadmin types. There are companies that offer this kind of service for a fee. CBL Data Recovery in Markham is one that I've used before with success; they also do clean-room recovery of damaged disks. But they're not cheap. > I realize there are questions like filesystem types, file formats and > such to consider before I could get off the ground, but I wanted to > see if there might be any demand before starting this. Thanks for any > feedback! I don't know about demand, but I do have something to offer to the effort. I have an external Exabyte in perfect condition, and I might have others. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 16:14:43 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:14:43 -0500 Subject: idea question for fellow sysadmins In-Reply-To: <457EC520.9090605-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <457EC520.9090605@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <457ED573.1060203@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > While trying to decide what hardware support to build into my (new) > backup program I got to thinking... > > Would there be any demand for someone to build a collection of old > media hardware for the purpose of recovering old data to a modern > format? Before I go to the effort of building a collection of > old/obscure media drives though, I wanted to pick TLUGs brain, > specially of you sysadmin types. > > How often, if ever, have you had to find some way of recovering data > off of old tapes, MO disks and other media? How many of you have this > media laying around and would like to have it converted to something > readable (ie: DVD disk, HDD)? If you wanted the data off, would you > send it off to a media conversion house? > > I realize there are questions like filesystem types, file formats > and such to consider before I could get off the ground, but I wanted > to see if there might be any demand before starting this. Thanks for > any feedback! Univac punch cards. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 16:14:04 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:14:04 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: <20061209015029.9989.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208231639.GD19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <457A19FF.3000602@chrisaitken.net> <20061209015029.9989.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <20061212161404.GF19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 08:50:29PM -0500, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: > yum install linux-headers- 'uname -r' > Setting up Install Process > Setting up repositories > updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > http://mirror.netglobalis.net/pub/fedora/core/4/i386/os/repodata/repomd.xml: > [Er > rno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 01:37:27 GMT > Server: NOYB > Content-Length: 313 > Connection: close > Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > Trying other mirror. > base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 299 kB 00:02 > updates-re: ################################################## 782/782 > Added 782 new packages, deleted 0 old in 15.57 seconds > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.2 MB 00:10 > extras : ################################################## 3988/3988 > Added 3988 new packages, deleted 0 old in 58.06 seconds > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 824 kB 00:06 > base : ################################################## 2772/2772 > Added 2772 new packages, deleted 0 old in 36.80 seconds > Parsing package install arguments > No Match for argument: linux-headers- > No Match for argument: uname -r > Nothing to do > [root at localhost ~]# vmware-config.pl > Making sure VMware Workstation's services are stopped. > > Stopping VMware services: > Virtual machine monitor [ OK ] > > Trying to find a suitable vmmon module for your running kernel. > > None of VMware Workstation's pre-built vmmon modules is suitable for your > running kernel. Do you want this program to try to build the vmmon module > for > your system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)? [yes] > yes > > Using compiler "/usr/bin/gcc". Use environment variable CC to override. > > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > running > kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /usr/src/linux-headers- 'uname -r'/include > > The path "/usr/src/linux-headers- 'uname -r'/include" is not an existing > directory. > > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > running > kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] > > I don't think that entirely worked. Well you are not on debian. And I said you should expand `uname -r` yourself before filling in the vmware question. And ` and ' are not the same thing. I do not have fond memories of how redhat systems handle their kernel packages, or any other packages in general. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 17:34:52 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:34:52 -0500 Subject: No networking with Debian 3.1 with 2.6 kernel In-Reply-To: <286865.86530.qm-CUv9Uf32FsiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <286865.86530.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061212173452.GG19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 03:10:46PM -0500, tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org wrote: > This is what I get after a reboot for the 2.4 kernel. > Is there anything else you need to help me get eth0 > and eth1 working? > [snip] > Via 686a/8233/8235 audio driver 1.9.1-ac3 > via82cxxx: Six channel audio available > PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:11.5 to 64 > ac97_codec: AC97 codec, id: ALG97 (Unknown) > via82cxxx: Codec rate locked at 48Khz > via82cxxx: board #1 at 0xE000, IRQ 22 > via-rhine.c:v1.10-LK1.1.19 July-12-2003 Written by > Donald Becker > http://www.scyld.com/network/via-rhine.html > eth0: VIA VT6102 Rhine-II at 0xd800, > 00:15:f2:6e:5e:46, IRQ 23. > eth0: MII PHY found at address 1, status 0x786d > advertising 01e1 Link 41e1. > sundance.c:v1.01+LK1.09a 10-Jul-2003 Written by > Donald Becker > http://www.scyld.com/network/sundance.html > eth1: D-Link DFE-530TXS FAST Ethernet Adapter at > 0xcc00, 00:05:5d:fb:de:42, IRQ 18. > eth1: MII PHY found at address 1, status 0x782d > advertising 01e1. > pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5 > shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID So this says eth0 is a via rhine II, and eth1 is a sundance. Since you have two devices, it is possible that booting a 2.6 kernel you will end up with them swapped. Or maybe one of them won't load at all. You could add those drivers in order to /etc/modules to see if that helps. Just add via-rhine and then sundance to the end of /etc/modules. I know the discover used in sarge wasn't perfect and missed some devices, or in some cases got it wrong because of the different driver names in 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 17:40:54 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:40:54 -0500 Subject: shell regex matching help Message-ID: <20061212174054.GE1405@watson-wilson.ca> I need help with this script. #!/bin/bash HOSTNAME=`hostname` SERVICE="db2" CLUSTAT=`/usr/sbin/clustat -s ${SERVICE}|tail -n1` # Should return: #db2 your-hostname started echo $HOSTNAME echo $SERVICE echo $CLUSTAT if [[ ${CLUSTAT} = ${SERVICE}[:blank:]+${HOSTNAME}[:blank:]+started ]] ; then echo "Node is active" exit 0; fi # Else node is not active. echo "Node is not active" exit 255 Output: :!./activenode tor-lx-hadrian db2 db2 tor-lx-hadrian started Node is not active Why is the match failing? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 38 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 17:50:20 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:50:20 -0500 Subject: idea question for fellow sysadmins In-Reply-To: <457ED313.7080309-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <457EC520.9090605@alteeve.com> <457ED313.7080309@telly.org> Message-ID: <457EEBDC.8070507@alteeve.com> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > There are companies that offer this kind of service for a fee. CBL Data > Recovery in Markham is one that I've used before with success; they also > do clean-room recovery of damaged disks. But they're not cheap. There are others much more capable at data recovery which I don't intend to try to compete with. My goal would be a simple conversion service. You have (good) media but not the reader, you send it to me, I dump the data to a DVD/HDD and send you back the results. > I don't know about demand, but I do have something to offer to the > effort. I have an external Exabyte in perfect condition, and I might > have others. That would be very kind of you! I don't know if this will get off the ground, but even worse case scenario I still learn how to add wide hardware support to my backup program. :) Want to send me an email off list? I've got a car so I can come to you, if that would be preferable. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 18:44:42 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:44:42 -0500 Subject: idea question for fellow sysadmins In-Reply-To: <457ED573.1060203-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <457EC520.9090605@alteeve.com> <457ED573.1060203@rogers.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0612121044g50a415f0ge48882a78ed83cc7@mail.gmail.com> On 12/12/06, James Knott wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > While trying to decide what hardware support to build into my (new) > > backup program I got to thinking... > > > > Would there be any demand for someone to build a collection of old > > media hardware for the purpose of recovering old data to a modern > > format? Before I go to the effort of building a collection of > > old/obscure media drives though, I wanted to pick TLUGs brain, > > specially of you sysadmin types. > > Univac punch cards. ;-) LOL! If you need a Paper-Tape Reader I've got you covered, "No Problem!" :P -- Scott Elcomb http://atomos.sourceforge.net/ http://search.cpan.org/~selcomb/SAL-3.03/ http://psema4.googlepages.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 18:51:26 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:51:26 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 6 In-Reply-To: <20061206163829.A16301-l+PWtdWbHAuXFJAUJl40Xg@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202114403.B14090@diamond.ss.org> <20061206163829.A16301@diamond.ss.org> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0612121051he646087m2804d5716cac1df@mail.gmail.com> On 12/6/06, billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org wrote: > As promised my notes: [...] Thanks for your take. I've been a supporter of RHL based systems for a few years now, but haven't upgraded any FC systems since FC1. :S > Comments > > Overall it was a simple, but fustrating install. > > I dicided to avoid selinux altogether this time. Perhaps I will do this in the second install of Fedora 6. > > I'm not sure what is new and shiny in Fedora 6. It looks like all the applications have been updated to there newset releases. I've read that SELinux is a pain in the rear-end, and that AppArmour is much easier to configure. Given the recent Novell "sell-out" though, I think I'd rather put up with the pains of SELinux than the convience of Novell(+M$). $0.02 of course. -- Scott Elcomb http://atomos.sourceforge.net/ http://search.cpan.org/~selcomb/SAL-3.03/ http://psema4.googlepages.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 19:12:20 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:12:20 -0500 Subject: wireless router problem In-Reply-To: <457D9AFA.3070102-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <457D9AFA.3070102@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20061212191220.GH19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 12:52:58PM -0500, John McGregor wrote: > It's a WRT54G and was purchased within the last two months. Because it's > so new, I'm cautious about a firmware upgrade until research shows > whether the unit can, in fact, accept an upgrade to OSS firmware. What does the revision/version say on the sticker? Version 5 is vxworks based and from reviews I have seen it is an amazingly bad router and not easy to upgrade to linux due to having a lot less ram and flash space than previous versions. Dell has the WRT54GL on sale for $49 today. The GL is essentially the WRT54G v4, which was the last one to run linux. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 19:14:45 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:14:45 -0500 Subject: Wireless router problem In-Reply-To: <457D827B.7070606-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <457D827B.7070606@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20061212191445.GI19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 11:08:27AM -0500, John McGregor wrote: > I have a friend whose Linksys wireless router gets knocked out on a > regular basis. The problem also occurred with a Trendnet unit > My gut feeling is that the culprit is EMI and that the source was a used > 21" CRT that he had just acquired. However, the problem persists after > unplugging the CRT. He has also gotten a new cordless phone. Would that > be enough to cause the problem? If so, how much separation between the > phone and the router would be necessary to solve the problem? Any other > suggestions / remedies to solve the problem would be very welcome as well. 2.4GHz phones should be avoided entirely if you run 802.11b or g. I used to have one. Every time the phone rang or was picked up, the wireless died. I switched to a 5.8GHz cordless phone and never have problems with the wireless anymore. Users of 802.11a would of course have a problem then but who uses that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 21:22:31 2006 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:22:31 -0500 Subject: shell regex matching help In-Reply-To: <20061212174054.GE1405-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20061212174054.GE1405@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <1f13df280612121322q79b31f36xcd50ed805df13fa@mail.gmail.com> On 12/12/06, Neil Watson wrote: > I need help with this script. > > #!/bin/bash > > HOSTNAME=`hostname` > SERVICE="db2" > CLUSTAT=`/usr/sbin/clustat -s ${SERVICE}|tail -n1` > # Should return: > #db2 your-hostname started > > echo $HOSTNAME > echo $SERVICE > echo $CLUSTAT > > if [[ ${CLUSTAT} = ${SERVICE}[:blank:]+${HOSTNAME}[:blank:]+started ]] ; then I'm not as good at BASH programming as I ought to be, so my preferred solution is dictated by limited knowledge .... I don't understand the above "if ..." line. Wouldn't it be easier to use ${CLUSTAT##* } and see if that matches "started" rather than trying to reassemble the correct output? If you need to check $SERVICE or $HOSTNAME because you're checking several services or hosts, perhaps check them separately too with similar name mangling? > echo "Node is active" > exit 0; > fi > > # Else node is not active. > echo "Node is not active" > exit 255 > > Output: > :!./activenode > tor-lx-hadrian > db2 > db2 tor-lx-hadrian started > Node is not active > > Why is the match failing? -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 21:50:52 2006 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:50:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: shell regex matching help In-Reply-To: <20061212174054.GE1405-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20061212174054.GE1405@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Dec 2006, Neil Watson wrote: > I need help with this script. > > #!/bin/bash > > HOSTNAME=`hostname` > SERVICE="db2" > CLUSTAT=`/usr/sbin/clustat -s ${SERVICE}|tail -n1` > # Should return: > #db2 your-hostname started > > echo $HOSTNAME > echo $SERVICE > echo $CLUSTAT > > if [[ ${CLUSTAT} = ${SERVICE}[:blank:]+${HOSTNAME}[:blank:]+started ]] ; then if [[ ${CLUSTAT} == ${SERVICE}[:blank:]+${HOSTNAME}[:blank:]+started ]] ; then I'd avoid the non-standard [[...]] syntax and use case: case $CLUSTAT in "$SERVICE"*"$HOSTNAME"*started) echo "Node is active";; *) echo "Node is not active"; exit 255 ;; esac > echo "Node is active" > exit 0; > fi > > # Else node is not active. > echo "Node is not active" > exit 255 > > Output: > : !./activenode > tor-lx-hadrian > db2 > db2 tor-lx-hadrian started > Node is not active > > Why is the match failing? Wrong operator. man bash: [[ expression ]] ... When the == and != operators are used, the string to the right of the operator is considered a pattern and matched according to the rules described below under Pattern Matching. The return value is 0 if the string matches or does not match the pattern, respectively, and 1 otherwise. Any part of the pattern may be quoted to force it to be matched as a string. An additional binary operator, =~, is available, with the same precedence as == and !=. When it is used, the string to the right of the operator is considered an extended regular expres- sion and matched accordingly (as in regex(3)). The return value is 0 if the string matches the pattern, and 1 otherwise. If the regular expression is syntactically incorrect, the conditional -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 21:52:49 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:52:49 -0500 Subject: shell regex matching help In-Reply-To: <1f13df280612121322q79b31f36xcd50ed805df13fa-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20061212174054.GE1405@watson-wilson.ca> <1f13df280612121322q79b31f36xcd50ed805df13fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061212215249.GF1405@watson-wilson.ca> On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 04:22:31PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: >I'm not as good at BASH programming as I ought to be, so my preferred >solution is dictated by limited knowledge .... > >I don't understand the above "if ..." line. Wouldn't it be easier to >use ${CLUSTAT##* } and see if that matches "started" rather than >trying to reassemble the correct output? If you need to check >$SERVICE or $HOSTNAME because you're checking several services or >hosts, perhaps check them separately too with similar name mangling? Actually the problem was with the [:blank:] clause. It should be [[:blank:]]. The correct script is: #!/bin/bash HOSTNAME=`hostname` SERVICE="db2" CLUSTAT=`/usr/sbin/clustat -s ${SERVICE}|tail -n1` # Should return: #db2 your-hostname started if [[ ${CLUSTAT} =~ ${SERVICE}[[:blank:]]+${HOSTNAME}[[:blank:]]+started ]] ; then exit 0; fi # Else node is not active. exit 255 The node is active if the exit status ($?) is 0. Example usage: [nhwatson at tor-lx-hadrian]activenode && echo "active" The echo command will be executed only if the node is active. "&&" means execute next command only if the previous command exits 0. Another example: (untested) #!/bin/bash /usr/local/bin/activenode if [[ $? = 0 ]]; then #script commands here fi -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 38 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 22:18:37 2006 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:18:37 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. (was: Re: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted) In-Reply-To: References: <20061211121632.3df9eb3a@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061211221056.55bfecee@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20061212171837.20e639b4@node1.freeyourmachine.org> On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:38:19 -0500 Simon got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > Have you ran glxinfo like LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo? If your > Xorg.log seems to indicate you have it, but glxinfo says you don't, > that will tell you why. [joehill at node1:~>$]LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo name of display: :0.0 Loading required GL library /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: Yes server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation server glx version string: 1.3 server glx extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_ARB_multisample client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation client glx version string: 1.3 client glx extensions: GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_NV_swap_group, GLX_NV_video_out, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_NV_float_buffer, GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float GLX extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_ARB_get_proc_address OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation OpenGL renderer string: GeForce4 Ti 4200/AGP/SSE2 OpenGL version string: 1.5.5 NVIDIA 81.78 OpenGL extensions: ...a lot more than I want to post here, but this is what's so bewildering, is that ' direct rendering: Yes', and yet when I run a game like Ioquake3 or Darkplaces, it defaults to software rendering, a la Mesa. Now, I was told that I needed to reinstall the Mesa libs, then reinstall the NVidia drivers, but even when I do rpm --ivh --force, it *says* it installs the Mesa libs, but nothing in /usr/lib at all except the NVidia libs. It's...frustrating :-) > As for me, I have hardware acceleration working fine, but fglrx is > slower than Windows, and freezes the box on logout, while r300 is more > stable than fglrx (things break, but just crash the app and not the > hardware) but way slower than either of ATI's drivers. > > On 12/11/06, JoeHill wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:46:24 -0500 > > Simon got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: "Oh my God, I'm so excited I wish I could wet my pants." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 22:57:31 2006 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:57:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: shell regex matching help References: <20061212174054.GE1405@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: May I ask in what Bash version was the regexp matching introduced ? I have 2.05 (don't laugh, it comes with stock Debian - including Knoppix). It has not got this feature. thanks, Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 23:10:39 2006 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:10:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: shell regex matching help In-Reply-To: References: <20061212174054.GE1405@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Dec 2006, Peter P. wrote: > May I ask in what Bash version was the regexp matching introduced ? It was introduced in bash-3.0-alpha; I have never used it (or any form of [[...]]). > I have 2.05 (don't laugh, it comes with stock Debian - including > Knoppix). It has not got this feature. I always compile and install the latest bash; too many distros either have old versions and/or disable various features. The last time I tried a Debian default bash, my mail scripts stopped working: they had removed socket file descriptors. Mandrake disables the time built-in. -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 23:40:38 2006 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: shell regex matching help References: <20061212174054.GE1405@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: Thanks for the info. I tend to stay /bin/sh compatible because I cannot control what bash others run. Things can become quite hectic when a custom rebuild/unarchive script fails to work after an upgrade. thanks again, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 12 23:46:19 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:46:19 -0500 Subject: shell regex matching help In-Reply-To: References: <20061212174054.GE1405@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20061212234619.GA4729@watson-wilson.ca> On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 10:57:31PM +0000, Peter P. wrote: >May I ask in what Bash version was the regexp matching introduced ? I >have 2.05 Bash 3.x. It comes with Redhat AS4. -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 38 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 01:56:49 2006 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:56:49 -0500 Subject: amarok and ipods? In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880612112139o5e25c2cfra162e24183c6161c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1165901468.5574.36.camel@localhost> <32f6a8880612112139o5e25c2cfra162e24183c6161c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1165975010.19592.3.camel@localhost> bOn Tue, 2006-12-12 at 00:39 -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Amarok's sweet, i personally like 1.4. You can use it with lyrics, > added to wikipedia and it uses mysql for its database collection. > > Its really easy to use... even with rockbox and the only difficulty is > ejecting the device if you wanna disconnect it. > > Searching and playlist are pretty cool to yoiu can add podcasts and > convert fairly easily if its setup using the amarok scripts. > > Anyway. > sounds like the endorsement is pretty much unanimous. anyway justwanted to clarify since I don't yet havet he ipod (waiting for it to arrive) -- is it possible/convenient to create playlists on amarok that can be used directly on the ipod? One ofthe things that bugs me about other people's ipods is the annoying playlist interface (very limited). thanks much, matt > On 12/12/06, Matt Price wrote: > Hi, > > So I'm finally moving to an ipod for the family stereo system > this xmas. > I will probably install rockbox but for now at least I will > mostly keep > the thing running the ipod OS so as not to alienate the > familial unit. > > My plan is to hook it up to the stereo through an old laptop, > an ibm > thinkpad 600e (pII 366mHz)which I am trying hard to get > working right > now. I'm hoping to have an interface that not only recognizes > and > interacts with the ipod, but can also add mp3's and playlists > to the > device itself. THe idea is that all manipulations of the ipod > take > place through a single interface, so kids & other family > members don't > have to understand too much of of the details of > operation. Also the > capacities of the thinkpad are a little bit limited, so it > would be nice > not to have too many operations gong on at once. > > Anyway. I am thinking amarok is the best choice, and wondered > what > people's experience has been with it. or if you think > rhythmbox or > banshee is better for my circumstance, or something else > entirely, > that'd be great too. > > thanks, > > matt > > -- > Matt Price > History Dept > University of Toronto > matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > > > -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 02:12:05 2006 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:12:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: amarok and ipods? In-Reply-To: <1165975010.19592.3.camel@localhost> References: <1165901468.5574.36.camel@localhost> <32f6a8880612112139o5e25c2cfra162e24183c6161c@mail.gmail.com> <1165975010.19592.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Dec 2006, Matt Price wrote: > bOn Tue, 2006-12-12 at 00:39 -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> Amarok's sweet, i personally like 1.4. You can use it with lyrics, >> added to wikipedia and it uses mysql for its database collection. >> >> Its really easy to use... even with rockbox and the only difficulty is >> ejecting the device if you wanna disconnect it. >> >> Searching and playlist are pretty cool to yoiu can add podcasts and >> convert fairly easily if its setup using the amarok scripts. >> >> Anyway. >> > sounds like the endorsement is pretty much unanimous. I tried amarok a couple of times, and found it to be everything I hated in a program; clumsy, slow, bloated, etc. Not only that, but every time I did something with it, it it interrupted the playback. -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 02:45:30 2006 From: cfriedt-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:45:30 +0100 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: <50367.207.188.66.20.1165809375.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <50830.207.188.66.20.1165611126.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <408ae1640612081543v5e3cdedcv3d1d51f25dc4e24f@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7@mail.gmail.com> <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> <457C518F.6010608@interlog.com> <1e55af990612101659l71944e84m6f366d3569ea3bbf@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880612101935m12879572sf2f7e475a9533a80@mail.gmail.com> <50367.207.188.66.20.1165809375.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <457F694A.7010107@visible-assets.com> Who wants that to be automatic!? (ok, maybe for a server system ...) A couple of years ago, a friend of mine got really sick of seeing the BSOD (he was a windows user), and he wanted to rig up a USB lever to pull every time the BSOD appeared to do basically the same thing. You could probably make the lever do a 'force quit' on any unresponsive 'windows' too ;-) Jackpot! ~/Chris phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >>>> I'm surprised none of these companies have thought to include a >>> watchdog >>> card >>>> to force the machines to automatically reboot in the event of a crash. >>> Sounds like that would cost money.. > > Not much money. The main program could create a small process that would > periodically send a message somewhere (on a serial port or printer port or > via USB, for example). A microprocessor would watch for this and if the > signal didn't appear, open a relay that would remove and then resore line > power. Or briefly close the reset switch. > > The microprocessor could be programmed to wait for a 'startup sequence' > from the main program so that it wouldn't go into action until the main > program was running. > > The microprocessor *itself* would use its own watchdog timer so it would > reorganize itself in the case of, say, a lighting strike. (This is a > common feature in five-dollar microprocessors.) > > The hardware to do this could be done for a few tens of dollars. > > Even simpler, if an unused printer port is available, you could flip a bit > on a data pin and use that to reset a hardware timer. > > Anybody remember those bandit-bank toys? You put a coin in a slot and > very, slowly a door opened. Then a mechanical hand grabbed the coin and > the door slammed shut. Inspired by that we put a small door on the front > of the PC. When the program crashes, the door opens, a mechanical hand > appears and presses the reset button... > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 04:57:24 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:57:24 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. (was: Re: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted) In-Reply-To: <20061212171837.20e639b4-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20061211121632.3df9eb3a@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061211221056.55bfecee@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061212171837.20e639b4@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: what about the output of quake then? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 04:58:36 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:58:36 -0500 Subject: amarok and ipods? In-Reply-To: References: <1165901468.5574.36.camel@localhost> <32f6a8880612112139o5e25c2cfra162e24183c6161c@mail.gmail.com> <1165975010.19592.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: It does have a xine related seeking issue, but interrupted the playback? I don't know what you're talking about.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 05:00:03 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:00:03 -0500 Subject: shell regex matching help In-Reply-To: <20061212234619.GA4729-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20061212174054.GE1405@watson-wilson.ca> <20061212234619.GA4729@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: You can always if echo $var |grep 'foo.*bar' > /dev/null or something in that case -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 05:16:16 2006 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:16:16 -0500 Subject: amarok and ipods? In-Reply-To: References: <1165901468.5574.36.camel@localhost> <32f6a8880612112139o5e25c2cfra162e24183c6161c@mail.gmail.com> <1165975010.19592.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1165986976.19592.5.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 21:12 -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Tue, 12 Dec 2006, Matt Price wrote: > > > bOn Tue, 2006-12-12 at 00:39 -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > >> Amarok's sweet, i personally like 1.4. You can use it with lyrics, > >> added to wikipedia and it uses mysql for its database collection. > >> > >> Its really easy to use... even with rockbox and the only difficulty is > >> ejecting the device if you wanna disconnect it. > >> > >> Searching and playlist are pretty cool to yoiu can add podcasts and > >> convert fairly easily if its setup using the amarok scripts. > >> > >> Anyway. > >> > > sounds like the endorsement is pretty much unanimous. > > I tried amarok a couple of times, and found it to be everything I > hated in a program; clumsy, slow, bloated, etc. Not only that, but > every time I did something with it, it it interrupted the playback. > well, that's an issue I'm worried about. any other suggestions? m > -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 05:24:47 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:24:47 -0500 Subject: amarok and ipods? In-Reply-To: <1165986976.19592.5.camel@localhost> References: <1165901468.5574.36.camel@localhost> <32f6a8880612112139o5e25c2cfra162e24183c6161c@mail.gmail.com> <1165975010.19592.3.camel@localhost> <1165986976.19592.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Matt, no harm in trying it first, right? :) As long as you aren't running on 128 MB of RAM or something, you'll be fine. Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 05:30:55 2006 From: jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org (JM) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:30:55 +0800 Subject: DLL on linux Message-ID: <200612131330.55461.jerome@gmanmi.tv> we a planning to connect our application (running on linux) to a provider but their requirement is to encrypt the data using their API.. so they provided us with a DLL.. is there a way to run that DLL in linux? tia, Mailing-Lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 06:32:07 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:32:07 -0500 Subject: DLL on linux In-Reply-To: <200612131330.55461.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200612131330.55461.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Message-ID: Well, you can run your vendor over with the clue train, or else look at the source code for pitfdll, or mplayer/libxine(not sure which of these two does the loading) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 02:26:28 2006 From: sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris Gow) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:26:28 -0500 Subject: amarok and ipods? In-Reply-To: <1165975010.19592.3.camel@localhost> References: <1165901468.5574.36.camel@localhost> <32f6a8880612112139o5e25c2cfra162e24183c6161c@mail.gmail.com> <1165975010.19592.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200612122126.29206.sniffy@rogers.com> Yup. From memory I believe all I did was: - Pick songs from my collection dragged them to the right side of the screen (also called the playlist I believe) - Save playlist - Dragged playlist onto the media device and clicked transfer. I did this a few months ago for my gf, but it was pretty much that simple. IIRC, either Amarok or the ipod was smart enough not to copy the track over if it was already present on the ipod. Personally, I don't create static playlists. On the ipod I generally just use shuffle/random play and in amarok I use the 'Pick N random tracks' or create dynamic/smart playlists. hth -- chris On Tuesday 12 December 2006 20:56, Matt Price wrote: > bOn Tue, 2006-12-12 at 00:39 -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > Amarok's sweet, i personally like 1.4. You can use it with lyrics, > > added to wikipedia and it uses mysql for its database collection. > > > > Its really easy to use... even with rockbox and the only difficulty is > > ejecting the device if you wanna disconnect it. > > > > Searching and playlist are pretty cool to yoiu can add podcasts and > > convert fairly easily if its setup using the amarok scripts. > > > > Anyway. > > sounds like the endorsement is pretty much unanimous. anyway justwanted > to clarify since I don't yet havet he ipod (waiting for it to arrive) -- > is it possible/convenient to create playlists on amarok that can be used > directly on the ipod? One ofthe things that bugs me about other > people's ipods is the annoying playlist interface (very limited). > > thanks much, > matt > > > On 12/12/06, Matt Price wrote: > > Hi, > > > > So I'm finally moving to an ipod for the family stereo system > > this xmas. > > I will probably install rockbox but for now at least I will > > mostly keep > > the thing running the ipod OS so as not to alienate the > > familial unit. > > > > My plan is to hook it up to the stereo through an old laptop, > > an ibm > > thinkpad 600e (pII 366mHz)which I am trying hard to get > > working right > > now. I'm hoping to have an interface that not only recognizes > > and > > interacts with the ipod, but can also add mp3's and playlists > > to the > > device itself. THe idea is that all manipulations of the ipod > > take > > place through a single interface, so kids & other family > > members don't > > have to understand too much of of the details of > > operation. Also the > > capacities of the thinkpad are a little bit limited, so it > > would be nice > > not to have too many operations gong on at once. > > > > Anyway. I am thinking amarok is the best choice, and wondered > > what > > people's experience has been with it. or if you think > > rhythmbox or > > banshee is better for my circumstance, or something else > > entirely, > > that'd be great too. > > > > thanks, > > > > matt > > > > -- > > Matt Price > > History Dept > > University of Toronto > > matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 07:28:30 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 02:28:30 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: <457F694A.7010107-u6hQ6WWl8Q3d1t4wvoaeXtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612081658x52f1e208p62957b459d2bbe9a@mail.gmail.com> <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7@mail.gmail.com> <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> <457C518F.6010608@interlog.com> <1e55af990612101659l71944e84m6f366d3569ea3bbf@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880612101935m12879572sf2f7e475a9533a80@mail.gmail.com> <50367.207.188.66.20.1165809375.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <457F694A.7010107@visible-assets.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990612122328w78e09110g3e6c35102f3e8fac@mail.gmail.com> On 12/12/06, Christopher Friedt wrote: > Who wants that to be automatic!? (ok, maybe for a server system ...) > > A couple of years ago, a friend of mine got really sick of seeing the > BSOD (he was a windows user), and he wanted to rig up a USB lever to > pull every time the BSOD appeared to do basically the same thing. You > could probably make the lever do a 'force quit' on any unresponsive > 'windows' too ;-) A friend of mine wanted to patent a foot pedal that you would kick to reset your computer. =) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 14:53:45 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 13 Dec 2006 09:53:45 -0500 Subject: amarok and ipods? In-Reply-To: <1165986976.19592.5.camel@localhost> References: <1165901468.5574.36.camel@localhost> <32f6a8880612112139o5e25c2cfra162e24183c6161c@mail.gmail.com> <1165975010.19592.3.camel@localhost> <1165986976.19592.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Matt Price writes: > On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 21:12 -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2006, Matt Price wrote: > > > > > bOn Tue, 2006-12-12 at 00:39 -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > >> Amarok's sweet, i personally like 1.4. You can use it with lyrics, > > >> added to wikipedia and it uses mysql for its database collection. > > >> > > >> Its really easy to use... even with rockbox and the only difficulty is > > >> ejecting the device if you wanna disconnect it. > > >> > > >> Searching and playlist are pretty cool to yoiu can add podcasts and > > >> convert fairly easily if its setup using the amarok scripts. > > >> > > >> Anyway. > > >> > > > sounds like the endorsement is pretty much unanimous. > > > > I tried amarok a couple of times, and found it to be everything I > > hated in a program; clumsy, slow, bloated, etc. Not only that, but > > every time I did something with it, it it interrupted the playback. > > > > well, that's an issue I'm worried about. any other suggestions? LWN did a "Grumpy Editor" review of music managers: http://lwn.net/Articles/160704/ -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 14:59:26 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 13 Dec 2006 09:59:26 -0500 Subject: DLL on linux In-Reply-To: References: <200612131330.55461.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Message-ID: Simon writes: > Well, you can run your vendor over with the clue train, or else look > at the source code for pitfdll, or mplayer/libxine(not sure which of > these two does the loading) You might be able to do something with Wine and Winelib. Whatever you use, don't expect it to be reliable. Are they encrypting for security purposes or obfuscation purposes? If it's for security, I wouldn't trust any security vendor that shipped a DLL, expecting it to be usable on Linux. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 15:23:29 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:23:29 -0500 Subject: DLL on linux In-Reply-To: <200612131330.55461.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200612131330.55461.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Message-ID: <20061213152329.GA26413@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 01:30:55PM +0800, JM wrote: > we a planning to connect our application (running on linux) to a provider but > their requirement is to encrypt the data using their API.. so they provided > us with a DLL.. is there a way to run that DLL in linux? I imagine with a lot of painful work you could write a wrapper for the dll, but really it is probably going to be fragile and a pain to do. mplayer does do this to use windows codec dlls of course, so there are examples of people doing it. wine of course can also use windows dlls as part of running windows programs. Or you could tell them to smarten up and use a documented API. If they can't release the specs of the protocol, then it is pretty safe to assume it isn't secure. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 15:26:51 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:26:51 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: <1e55af990612122328w78e09110g3e6c35102f3e8fac-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612081701j2f3f4ec6ha600291d6a7d54b7@mail.gmail.com> <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> <457C518F.6010608@interlog.com> <1e55af990612101659l71944e84m6f366d3569ea3bbf@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880612101935m12879572sf2f7e475a9533a80@mail.gmail.com> <50367.207.188.66.20.1165809375.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <457F694A.7010107@visible-assets.com> <1e55af990612122328w78e09110g3e6c35102f3e8fac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There's a sort of prior art "boss key" pedal on Thinkgeek. I would hope that is needed more often than a reset pedal, how gross that is.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 15:30:48 2006 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:30:48 -0500 Subject: DLL on linux In-Reply-To: References: <200612131330.55461.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Message-ID: <20061213103048.4ccd4fc1@node1.freeyourmachine.org> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:32:07 -0500 Simon got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > Well, you can run your vendor over with the clue train, lol, nice. -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Leela: I'm sorry, but if it's fun in any way it's not environmentalism. Paul: Oh, really? How about blowing up dams? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 15:34:07 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:34:07 -0500 Subject: OT: Tech Writer wanted for contract Message-ID: <4386c5b20612130734p323b1947hdc65b890564b1547@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, This position has little to do with Linux, but I know there is an influential and local network of people here, so I thought I'd try it out. Apologies if this is construed as inbox-clog... I'm looking to place a technical writer into a two-month full-time contract job in Uxbridge (north of Ajax ON). The client is developing a decision-management system using Excel as the basis of the system, so someone who has experience writing to MS Office applications would be preferred. This role is for someone to write documentation for that system. My highest priorities for the right candidate are great interpersonal skills and solid writing ability, as this person will be representing my company to the client. Pay is negotiable, so please propose an hourly rate. Start time is also pretty flexible; I'm sure we're looking at the New Year by this point. Interested candidates can contact me off-list, at aaron-r6Q5aOcHTGY8egOQY5JaJ+G/Ez6ZCGd0 at public.gmane.org Thanks! Aaron. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 15:39:32 2006 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:39:32 -0500 Subject: idea question for fellow sysadmins In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0612121044g50a415f0ge48882a78ed83cc7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <457EC520.9090605@alteeve.com> <457ED573.1060203@rogers.com> <99a6c38f0612121044g50a415f0ge48882a78ed83cc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612131039.33015.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Tuesday 12 December 2006 13:44, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 12/12/06, James Knott wrote: > > Madison Kelly wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > While trying to decide what hardware support to build into my > > > (new) backup program I got to thinking... > > > > > > Would there be any demand for someone to build a collection > > > of old media hardware for the purpose of recovering old data to > > > a modern format? Before I go to the effort of building a > > > collection of old/obscure media drives though, I wanted to pick > > > TLUGs brain, specially of you sysadmin types. > > > > Univac punch cards. ;-) > > LOL! If you need a Paper-Tape Reader I've got you covered, "No > Problem!" This sounds like a job for Amazon's Mechanical Turk . Send them your pile of punch cards, paper tapes, or cuneiform tablets, they will ship them off to India, or whichever country is cheaper than India these days since India is getting expensive, and you'll get back, well, something in digital format. (*) SAP CEO, Henning Kagermann, finds lost tribe in uncharted corner of Amazon while on trek and sets up outsourcing centre. "This is a win-win-win. Every family in the tribe gets a set of pots and pans and a lifetime supply of beads, our shareholders and clients enjoy reduced costs, and finally, our employees get the opportunity to explore new and exciting career opportunities in the fast food industry." -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 16:03:52 2006 From: mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Marcel Gagne) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:03:52 -0500 Subject: Using OpenOffice.org in a big way Message-ID: <200612131103.52383.mggagne@salmar.com> Hello everyone, Are any of you (or more appropriately, your company) using OpenOffice in a big way? I'm looking for an example where an office with lots of seats is using the software, and not necessarily on Linux desktops. I'm talking plain old Windows PCs. You, or your company, would also have to be interested in being written about -- strangely enough, not by me [ insert appropriate smiley here ]. Take care out there. -- Marcel (Writer and Free Thinker at Large) Gagn? Note: This massagee wos nat speel or gramer-checkered. Mandatory home page reference - http://www.marcelgagne.com/ Author of the "Moving to Linux" series of books and the all new, "Moving to Free Software" Join the WFTL-LUG : http://www.marcelgagne.com/wftllugform.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 16:48:38 2006 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:48:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: <1165538393.4878.95.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <4386c5b20612071225k56feba03k92ee728dc8dc02a1@mail.gmail.com> <20061207213631.GM17985@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1165527881.4878.57.camel@stan64.site> <1165538393.4878.95.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, ted leslie wrote: > If you knew/hated MS as much in 89-95 as you do now, what OS would you > have used back then on your desk top? Well actually from 81-93 i used > apple prodcuts but most people did the dos windows shit. My preferred desktop OSes have been: -1988 The boxes didn't have a true OS 1988-1992 Microware OS-9 Note: This is not an operating system produced by Apple OS-9 is very Unix in feel but not actually a Unix. 1992-1994 MS-Dos/MS-Win 3.1 I felt like I'd gone back in time 20 years. How primitive it was in comparison to OS-9. I stuck with it for a while before concluding it was useless for real work. 1994- Linux. Slackware, Red Hat, Debian and Ubuntu have been my preferred desktop distros in that order. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-905-821-2327 Senior Technical Consultant Urgent Support: +1-416-669-3073 OpenTrend Solutions Ltd Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Web: www.opentrend.net -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 16:34:28 2006 From: stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org (Stephen W. Clarke) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:34:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Need help setting up a domain in Hamilton Area Message-ID: <20976.72.38.22.170.1166027668.squirrel@72.38.22.170> I'm looking to hire someone to come in and set up a SAMBA-LDAP domain on my network. (Probably early in the New Year.) Does anyone on this list know of someone in the Hamilton Area who has the skills to do this? I'm prepare to try it myself, but so far I haven't found any useful instructions on-line. Once set-up this domain will also need to be configured as a trusted domain for a existing windows domain connected on the VPN. Ideally this domain should also allow for users to get their personal desktops from any workstation they login at. All suggestions and leads welcome. Thanks, Stephen -- Stephen W. Clarke Marketing and Communications Officer Nray Services Inc. 56A Head Street Dundas, ON L9H 3H7 CANADA Tel: (905) 627-1302 x14 Fax: (905) 627-5022 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 18:36:50 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:36:50 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: References: <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> <457C518F.6010608@interlog.com> <1e55af990612101659l71944e84m6f366d3569ea3bbf@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880612101935m12879572sf2f7e475a9533a80@mail.gmail.com> <50367.207.188.66.20.1165809375.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <457F694A.7010107@visible-assets.com> <1e55af990612122328w78e09110g3e6c35102f3e8fac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990612131036u12076e59j309e79aa6f361841@mail.gmail.com> On 12/13/06, Simon wrote: > There's a sort of prior art "boss key" pedal on Thinkgeek. I would > hope that is needed more often than a reset pedal, how gross that is.. Just think of it in terms of a heavy-duty pedal.. one you can really kick when when you get that nice calm blue screen. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 18:45:34 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:45:34 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: <1e55af990612131036u12076e59j309e79aa6f361841-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> <457C518F.6010608@interlog.com> <1e55af990612101659l71944e84m6f366d3569ea3bbf@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880612101935m12879572sf2f7e475a9533a80@mail.gmail.com> <50367.207.188.66.20.1165809375.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <457F694A.7010107@visible-assets.com> <1e55af990612122328w78e09110g3e6c35102f3e8fac@mail.gmail.com> <1e55af990612131036u12076e59j309e79aa6f361841@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: stress ball ;) and like i said, BSOD: gross - I don't think anybody should have to put up with that nowadays - it's 2006! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 19:02:34 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:02:34 -0500 Subject: Using OpenOffice.org in a big way In-Reply-To: <200612131103.52383.mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200612131103.52383.mggagne@salmar.com> Message-ID: <45804E4A.901@rogers.com> Marcel Gagne wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Are any of you (or more appropriately, your company) using OpenOffice > in a big way? I'm looking for an example where an office with lots of seats > is using the software, and not necessarily on Linux desktops. I'm talking > plain old Windows PCs. You, or your company, would also have to be interested > in being written about -- strangely enough, not by me [ insert appropriate > smiley here ]. > > Take care out there. > > A company I used to work for used OpenOffice. However, I suspect it was because it's free and they were to cheap to spend the money on anything else. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 19:20:39 2006 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:20:39 -0500 Subject: [TLUG] VMware question - changing to physical machine Message-ID: <32f6a8880612131120w69a31b3cj5ee892847e59b333@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I am thinking of converting my suse box desktop to a gentoo desktop and I want to create the gentoo box on a vmware instance instead first to test it and afterwards replace my suse desktop. Do any of you have the best/quickest way to convert a vmware instance to a physical machine? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 19:25:51 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:25:51 -0500 Subject: Using OpenOffice.org in a big way In-Reply-To: <45804E4A.901-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200612131103.52383.mggagne@salmar.com> <45804E4A.901@rogers.com> Message-ID: Well, I would even admit that apart from all the legacy crap (like that date compatibility bug that got standardised), and evil political decisions like no PDF (Adobe's fault actually :( ) or ODF support, Office is actually a pretty good product. However, I of course do not think that its quality outweighs the benefits of OpenOffice or KOffice being free software. And James, you should probably elaborate and describe how successful that company was with OpenOffice. On 12/13/06, James Knott wrote: > Marcel Gagne wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > Are any of you (or more appropriately, your company) using OpenOffice > > in a big way? I'm looking for an example where an office with lots of seats > > is using the software, and not necessarily on Linux desktops. I'm talking > > plain old Windows PCs. You, or your company, would also have to be interested > > in being written about -- strangely enough, not by me [ insert appropriate > > smiley here ]. > > > > Take care out there. > > > > > A company I used to work for used OpenOffice. However, I suspect it was > because it's free and they were to cheap to spend the money on anything > else. ;-) > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 19:44:16 2006 From: Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:44:16 -0500 Subject: [TLUG] VMware question - changing to physical machine In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880612131120w69a31b3cj5ee892847e59b333-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880612131120w69a31b3cj5ee892847e59b333@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Look into these. http://www.helperapps.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1&Itemid=34 http://www.platespin.com/Products/PowerConvertMain.aspx _______________________________________________________________________________ Jason Shein Network Administrator ? 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IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY RETURN IT TO THE SENDER. _______________________________________________________________________________ "Dave Germiquet" Sent by: owner-tlug at ss.org 12/13/2006 02:20 PM Please respond to tlug at ss.org To tlug at ss.org cc Subject [TLUG]: [TLUG] VMware question - changing to physical machine Hi, I am thinking of converting my suse box desktop to a gentoo desktop and I want to create the gentoo box on a vmware instance instead first to test it and afterwards replace my suse desktop. Do any of you have the best/quickest way to convert a vmware instance to a physical machine? From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 19:24:19 2006 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:24:19 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. (was: Re: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted) In-Reply-To: References: <20061211121632.3df9eb3a@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061211221056.55bfecee@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061212171837.20e639b4@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20061213142419.4531d07a@node1.freeyourmachine.org> On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:57:24 -0500 Simon got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > what about the output of quake then? Well, that depends ;-) If I install the DKMS packages (which I have installed right now), I get this: [joehill at node1:~>$]ioquake3 ioQ3 1.34-rc3 linux-i386 Nov 28 2006 ----- FS_Startup ----- Current search path: ... ---------------------- 4239 files in pk3 files execing default.cfg execing q3config.cfg couldn't exec autoexec.cfg Hunk_Clear: reset the hunk ok ----- Client Initialization ----- ----- Initializing Renderer ---- ------------------------------- QKEY found. ----- Client Initialization Complete ----- ----- R_Init ----- ------- Input Initialization ------- Joystick is not active. ------------------------------------ ...loading libGL.so.1: Calling SDL_Init(SDL_INIT_VIDEO)... SDL_Init(SDL_INIT_VIDEO) passed. Initializing OpenGL display ...setting mode 3: 640 480 Loading required GL library /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 Using 8/8/8 Color bits, 24 depth, 0 stencil display. Received signal 11, exiting... ----- CL_Shutdown ----- RE_Shutdown( 1 ) Notice the '0 stencil display'. Now, that's if I follow the instructions included with the NVidia RPM's and change load "GLX" to Load "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/nvidia/libglx.so", I get: ...loading libGL.so.1: Calling SDL_Init(SDL_INIT_VIDEO)... SDL_Init(SDL_INIT_VIDEO) passed. Initializing OpenGL display ...setting mode 3: 640 480 SDL_SetVideoMode failed: Couldn't find matching GLX visual SDL_SetVideoMode failed: Couldn't find matching GLX visual Using 8/8/8 Color bits, 16 depth, 0 stencil display. GL_RENDERER: Mesa GLX Indirect *********************************************************** You are using software Mesa (no hardware acceleration)! Driver DLL used: libGL.so.1 If this is intentional, add "+set r_allowSoftwareGL 1" to the command line when starting the game. *********************************************************** ...WARNING: could not set the given mode (3) ----- CL_Shutdown ----- RE_Shutdown( 1 ) ----------------------- Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem ? If I unload the NVidia DKMS RPM's, and install the NVidia binaries (always the best way in the past, IME), the game runs, but shows the same '0 stencil bits' and defaults to software mode, 0 texture bits. I do believe that what I need to do is: uninstall DKMS and install NVidia binaries, then install Mesa libs, then reinstall NVidia binaries (but my system is defiant in this respect, it says they're already installed, and --force does not change anything): [joehill at node1:~>$]rpm -qa | grep Mesa libMesaGL1-5.0.2-11mdk Mesa-5.0.2-11mdk libMesaglut3-5.0.2-11mdk libMesaGLU1-5.0.2-11mdk but: [joehill at node1:~>$]ls -l /usr/lib/libG* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Dec 5 02:59 /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 -> libGLcore.so.1.0.8178* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8136248 Dec 5 02:59 /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1.0.8178* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 653 Dec 5 02:59 /usr/lib/libGL.la lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Dec 5 02:59 /usr/lib/libGL.so -> libGL.so.1* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Dec 5 02:59 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.0.8178* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 535264 Dec 5 02:59 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.8178* ...no Mesa :-\ Pretty wild, huh? -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: He's a witch! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 19:58:48 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:58:48 -0500 Subject: [TLUG] VMware question - changing to physical machine In-Reply-To: References: <32f6a8880612131120w69a31b3cj5ee892847e59b333@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Err, if you want to do it manually, and for free, just tar up the gentoo filesystem, making sure to preserve ownership and perms, extract it where you like (again preserving ownership and perms), and then follow the instructions in the Gentoo Handbook for configuring grub in order to get it running again. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 20:11:24 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:11:24 -0500 Subject: Using OpenOffice.org in a big way In-Reply-To: References: <200612131103.52383.mggagne@salmar.com> <45804E4A.901@rogers.com> Message-ID: <45805E6C.40809@rogers.com> Simon wrote: > Well, I would even admit that apart from all the legacy crap (like > that date compatibility bug that got standardised), and evil political > decisions like no PDF (Adobe's fault actually :( ) or ODF support, > Office is actually a pretty good product. However, I of course do not > think that its quality outweighs the benefits of OpenOffice or KOffice > being free software. And James, you should probably elaborate and > describe how successful that company was with OpenOffice. In my area, we were mostly using Calc, for recording info about various devices, including scanning a bar code. So, I didn't get into any advanced uses. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 20:28:54 2006 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:28:54 -0500 Subject: [TLUG] VMware question - changing to physical machine In-Reply-To: References: <32f6a8880612131120w69a31b3cj5ee892847e59b333@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880612131228w528ce08fwbd3c5fff99b5c185@mail.gmail.com> Hi Simon, (Hrm). Ya that would work (the other utiltiies may work but I can not afford them heh) I don't know why didn't think of that other than I have to format my suse partition to put gentoo on it. But I can easily burn it on a dvd. I was also advised Norton Ghost May work too (ghosting a vmware instance) On 12/13/06, Simon wrote: > > Err, if you want to do it manually, and for free, just tar up the > gentoo filesystem, making sure to preserve ownership and perms, > extract it where you like (again preserving ownership and perms), and > then follow the instructions in the Gentoo Handbook for configuring > grub in order to get it running again. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 21:37:19 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:37:19 -0500 Subject: [TLUG] VMware question - changing to physical machine In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880612131228w528ce08fwbd3c5fff99b5c185-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880612131120w69a31b3cj5ee892847e59b333@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880612131228w528ce08fwbd3c5fff99b5c185@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Re: Ghost, dd does the same thing ( boot up a liveCD in the VM), but tar would be faster and more flexible since you don't have to resize the filesystem, and it'll only copy real data. I've never used Ghost, though. On 12/13/06, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi Simon, > > (Hrm). Ya that would work (the other utiltiies may work but I can not afford > them heh) I don't know why didn't think of that other than I have to format > my suse partition to put gentoo on it. But I can easily burn it on a dvd. > > I was also advised Norton Ghost May work too (ghosting a vmware instance) > > > On 12/13/06, Simon wrote: > > > > Err, if you want to do it manually, and for free, just tar up the > > gentoo filesystem, making sure to preserve ownership and perms, > > extract it where you like (again preserving ownership and perms), and > > then follow the instructions in the Gentoo Handbook for configuring > > grub in order to get it running again. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vgs-XzQKRVe1yT0V+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 22:48:25 2006 From: vgs-XzQKRVe1yT0V+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org (VGS) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:48:25 -0500 Subject: Need help setting up a domain in Hamilton Area In-Reply-To: <20976.72.38.22.170.1166027668.squirrel-u5iS8elThxsi7FR4L9eesA@public.gmane.org> References: <20976.72.38.22.170.1166027668.squirrel@72.38.22.170> Message-ID: <45808339.4070208@videotron.ca> Stephen W. Clarke wrote: >I'm looking to hire someone to come in and set up a SAMBA-LDAP domain on >my network. (Probably early in the New Year.) Does anyone on this list >know of someone in the Hamilton Area who has the skills to do this? I'm >prepare to try it myself, but so far I haven't found any useful >instructions on-line. > > http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/samba-pdc.html seems to be pretty good. Samba-LDAP with roaming profiles is not difficult to setup. I havent tried trusted domains before and am not sure how to go about setting it up . Regards, Shinoj. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 13 22:55:28 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:55:28 -0500 Subject: Need help setting up a domain in Hamilton Area In-Reply-To: <20976.72.38.22.170.1166027668.squirrel-u5iS8elThxsi7FR4L9eesA@public.gmane.org> References: <20976.72.38.22.170.1166027668.squirrel@72.38.22.170> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0612131455rf6f6caeo50228ee9895bcbb3@mail.gmail.com> On 12/13/06, Stephen W. Clarke wrote: > I'm looking to hire someone to come in and set up a SAMBA-LDAP domain on > my network. (Probably early in the New Year.) Does anyone on this list > know of someone in the Hamilton Area who has the skills to do this? I'm > prepare to try it myself, but so far I haven't found any useful > instructions on-line. > > Once set-up this domain will also need to be configured as a trusted > domain for a existing windows domain connected on the VPN. Ideally this > domain should also allow for users to get their personal desktops from any > workstation they login at. > > All suggestions and leads welcome. Hi Stephen. You might want to post a message to the Hamilton LUG forums at http://hamilton.linux.ca/ - there are a number of folks there that might be able to help out. Best of luck. -- Scott Elcomb http://atomos.sourceforge.net/ http://search.cpan.org/~selcomb/SAL-3.03/ http://psema4.googlepages.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 14 00:46:41 2006 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:46:41 -0500 Subject: Employment linux admin/programmer wanted In-Reply-To: References: <1165469949.13647.774.camel@stan64.site> <1165538393.4878.95.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <200612131946.41514.mervc@eol.ca> On Wednesday 13 December 2006 11:48, Robert Brockway wrote: > My preferred desktop OSes have been: > > -1988 The boxes didn't have a true OS > > 1988-1992 Microware OS-9 > > Note: This is not an operating system produced by Apple > > OS-9 is very Unix in feel but not actually a Unix. > I too used OS-9 for many years, altho just the 8 bit version on the Rat Shack Color Computer. The big thing about the OS which you didn't mention is that it was often used for 'real-time' operations in manufacturing sites around the country. It is amazing what we did with 64K of memory. There is still a very active group using the O.S and the C.C. With that back ground, Linux was not too difficult to understand. My in-between time was with OS/2 which didn't have the support of enough IBM brass. Way ahead of Win 3.1 and even W-95 in many respects. -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Kanotix Linux Ver 2005-4 Desktop KDE 3.5.1 KMail 1.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 14 03:34:38 2006 From: shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:34:38 -0500 Subject: test Message-ID: <200612132234.38929.shrike@heinous.org> test -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 14 04:20:32 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 23:20:32 -0500 Subject: What company could release such a product. No, it couldn't be ... naw ... In-Reply-To: References: <1165687446.2162.1.camel@ambipapa> <457C518F.6010608@interlog.com> <1e55af990612101659l71944e84m6f366d3569ea3bbf@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880612101935m12879572sf2f7e475a9533a80@mail.gmail.com> <50367.207.188.66.20.1165809375.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <457F694A.7010107@visible-assets.com> <1e55af990612122328w78e09110g3e6c35102f3e8fac@mail.gmail.com> <1e55af990612131036u12076e59j309e79aa6f361841@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Simon wrote: > stress ball ;) and like i said, BSOD: gross - I don't think anybody > should have to put up with that nowadays - it's 2006! That's why all the longhorn betas were red screens ;) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 14 04:26:42 2006 From: jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Spiro) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 23:26:42 -0500 Subject: We need VMware packages for Fedora and Debian (was: C header files location) In-Reply-To: References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208200044.GC6901@watson-wilson.ca> <457A2AE5.5010503@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <4580D282.2050307@gmail.com> Tim Writer wrote: [snip] > If this directory doesn't exist, the kernel headers aren't installed. I'm > not a Fedora user but I'm fairly certain you need to install the > kernel-devel package. You should be able to do that with yum. There may be > several versions of this package. The version and architecture of this > package should match the kernel you have installed. Do VMware not ship packages for Fedora Core? I know they don't have Debian packages. There's only a vmware-player package in Debian. I wish VMware was packaged for Debian. We should all write to VMware and suggest it. Anyone know the proper email address is? By the way, Marc Haber has kindly created a Debian package (in contrib) called vmware-package. Description follows. Marc, perhaps you know: do VMware have any plans for creating real Debian packages for VMware Server? "This package provides the capability to create Debian packages for various VMware products and related software by obtaining VMware tarballs and then just running make-vmpkg. It can currently build Debian packages for the following VMware and VMware related products: * VMware kernel modules for Linux, using the vmware-any-any tarball It is planned to extend make-vmkg to build Debian packages for the following VMware products: * VMware Player 1.0.2 Please note that you need to download the corresponding tarballs yourself, and that the resulting .deb files are non-free and non-distributable. The package is meant to aid a local admin to roll out VMware products to their local systems by means of the packaging system." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 14 14:25:52 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:25:52 -0500 Subject: Talking Linux IP with Bill Gates Message-ID: <1166106352.3930.5.camel@spot1.localhost.com> From: http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/archives/2006/12/microsoft-linux-patents.html RickT -- For big words see http://www.dictionary.com http://www.TorontoNUI.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 14 15:06:51 2006 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:06:51 -0500 Subject: Talking Linux IP with Bill Gates In-Reply-To: <1166106352.3930.5.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <1166106352.3930.5.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <20061214100651.111903af@node1.freeyourmachine.org> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:25:52 -0500 Rick Tomaschuk got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/archives/2006/12/microsoft-linux-patents.html "Bill: I don't know BayStar. Niall: It's an investment company. One of their executives testified Microsoft invested $50 million to offset SCO's costs in the lawsuit." Man, it must be nice to be so freaking rich that it's not a memorable event when your own company hands out 50 mil ;-) -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Professor: "Good news, everyone, the university is bringing me up on disclipinary charges. Wait, that's not good news at all." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 14 16:52:51 2006 From: jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Spiro) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:52:51 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Re: We need VMware packages for Fedora and Debian (was: C header files location) Message-ID: <45818163.7070907@gmail.com> Hi Joseph and Zach, How are you? I missed OLS this year because of a summer job, but I hope to see you again there next year. :-) Do either of you know: Do VMware have plans to package VMware Server for Debian Linux 3.1 ("sarge") and 4.0 ("etch") and for Ubuntu? (Based on my experience doing volunteer tech support on the Ubuntu IRC channel, I think packaging VMware for Debian/Ubuntu would: * increase your mindshare * improve your reputation as a producer of easy-to-install software * and, therefore, increase sales of VMware software and support. What do you think?) Regards, Jason Spiro Toronto, Canada -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: We need VMware packages for Fedora and Debian (was: C header files location) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:21:04 +0100 From: Marc Haber To: Jason Spiro CC: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org, Marc Haber References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ at public.gmane.org> <20061208200044.GC6901-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org> <457A2AE5.5010503-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org> <4580D282.2050307-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> Hi, On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:26:42PM -0500, Jason Spiro wrote: > Do VMware not ship packages for Fedora Core? I know they don't have > Debian packages. There's only a vmware-player package in Debian. > > I wish VMware was packaged for Debian. We should all write to VMware and > suggest it. Anyone know the proper email address is? > > By the way, Marc Haber has kindly created a Debian package (in contrib) > called vmware-package. Description follows. Marc, perhaps you know: do > VMware have any plans for creating real Debian packages for VMware Server? No idea. Vmware is playing a rather closed shop. Especially using vmware-any-any has shown to be a communication killer. > "This package provides the capability to create Debian packages for > various VMware products and related software by obtaining VMware > tarballs and then just running make-vmpkg. > > It can currently build Debian packages for the following VMware and > VMware related products: > > * VMware kernel modules for Linux, using the vmware-any-any tarball > > It is planned to extend make-vmkg to build Debian packages for the > following VMware products: > > * VMware Player 1.0.2 The package that is currently in Debian can already do this. Please note that the kernel modules are specific to the Kernel _AND_ to the vmware userspace application, so if we extend vmware-package to VMware Server, we'd need to extend the build process to build vmware-any-any-player and vmware-any-any-server module sources. Somebody with deeper make(1) knowledge than me is needed to do this. Greetings Marc -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 14 17:42:07 2006 From: Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:42:07 -0500 Subject: rm gets a trash can ? Message-ID: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/121306-kernel.html Let the authors of poorly written scripts rejoice! _______________________________________________________________________________ Jason Shein Network Administrator ? Linux Systems Iovate Health Sciences Inc. 5100 Spectrum Way Mississauga, ON L4W 5S2 ( 905 ) - 678 - 3119 x 3136 1 - 888 - 334 - 4448, x 3136 (toll-free) jason.shein at iovate.com Customer Service. Collaboration. Innovation. Efficiency. Iovate's Information Technology Team _______________________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: THIS ELECTRONIC MAIL TRANSMISSION IS PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL AND IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE REVIEW OF THE PARTY TO WHOM IT IS ADDRESSED. THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS E-MAIL IS CONFIDENTIAL AND IS DISCLOSED TO YOU UNDER THE EXPRESS UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WILL NOT DISCLOSE IT OR ITS CONTENTS TO ANY THIRD PARTY WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF AN AUTHORIZED OFFICER OF IOVATE HEALTH SCIENCES SERVICES INC. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY RETURN IT TO THE SENDER. _______________________________________________________________________________ From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 14 18:02:32 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:02:32 -0500 Subject: We need VMware packages for Fedora and Debian (was: C header files location) In-Reply-To: <4580D282.2050307-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208200044.GC6901@watson-wilson.ca> <457A2AE5.5010503@chrisaitken.net> <4580D282.2050307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061214180232.GA8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:26:42PM -0500, Jason Spiro wrote: > Do VMware not ship packages for Fedora Core? I know they don't have > Debian packages. There's only a vmware-player package in Debian. > > I wish VMware was packaged for Debian. We should all write to VMware and > suggest it. Anyone know the proper email address is? I just use the vmware tar file and install to /usr/local and it works perfectly. The unisntall cleans up nicely too. It is one of the few things that goes cleanly and easily enough that I haven't made debian packages for it and I tend to do that for most things I install. > By the way, Marc Haber has kindly created a Debian package (in contrib) > called vmware-package. Description follows. Marc, perhaps you know: do > VMware have any plans for creating real Debian packages for VMware Server? > > "This package provides the capability to create Debian packages for > various VMware products and related software by obtaining VMware > tarballs and then just running make-vmpkg. Hmm, I should look at that. > It can currently build Debian packages for the following VMware and > VMware related products: > > * VMware kernel modules for Linux, using the vmware-any-any tarball > > It is planned to extend make-vmkg to build Debian packages for the > following VMware products: > > * VMware Player 1.0.2 > > Please note that you need to download the corresponding tarballs > yourself, and that the resulting .deb files are non-free and > non-distributable. > > The package is meant to aid a local admin to roll out VMware products > to their local systems by means of the packaging system." -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 14 18:53:57 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:53:57 -0500 Subject: Cron jobs and holidays Message-ID: <20061214185357.GB14893@watson-wilson.ca> How would you ensure that a cron job was not run on a statutory holiday? My current thought was 4 4 * * 2-6 grep `date +%Y%m%d` /etc/holidays 1>/dev/null && my_script Using this method the holidays file is kept manually. Is there a more elegant and automatic way? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 40 days http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 14 18:57:18 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:57:18 -0500 Subject: rm gets a trash can ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: About time - the proper place for this functionality is in the VFS rather than in userspace, so that it works for everything and avoids code duplication. Simon On 12/14/06, Jason.Shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: > http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/121306-kernel.html > > Let the authors of poorly written scripts rejoice! > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Jason Shein > Network Administrator ? Linux Systems > Iovate Health Sciences Inc. > 5100 Spectrum Way > Mississauga, ON L4W 5S2 > ( 905 ) - 678 - 3119 x 3136 > 1 - 888 - 334 - 4448, x 3136 (toll-free) > jason.shein-V7Ve2fXh0sTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org > > Customer Service. Collaboration. Innovation. Efficiency. > Iovate's Information Technology Team > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > THIS ELECTRONIC MAIL TRANSMISSION IS PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL AND IS > INTENDED ONLY FOR THE REVIEW OF THE PARTY TO WHOM IT IS ADDRESSED. > THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS E-MAIL IS CONFIDENTIAL AND IS DISCLOSED > TO YOU UNDER THE EXPRESS UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WILL NOT DISCLOSE IT > OR ITS CONTENTS TO ANY THIRD PARTY WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT > OF AN AUTHORIZED OFFICER OF IOVATE HEALTH SCIENCES SERVICES INC. IF YOU > HAVE > RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY RETURN IT > TO THE SENDER. > _______________________________________________________________________________ > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 14 19:15:41 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:15:41 -0500 Subject: Cron jobs and holidays In-Reply-To: <20061214185357.GB14893-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20061214185357.GB14893@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20061214191541.GB8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 01:53:57PM -0500, Neil Watson wrote: > How would you ensure that a cron job was not run on a statutory holiday? > My current thought was > > 4 4 * * 2-6 grep `date +%Y%m%d` /etc/holidays 1>/dev/null && my_script > > Using this method the holidays file is kept manually. Is there a more > elegant and automatic way? grep -q is more elegant than 1>/dev/null :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 14 23:17:39 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:17:39 -0500 Subject: Cron jobs and holidays In-Reply-To: <20061214185357.GB14893-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20061214185357.GB14893@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <4581DB93.3000107@rogers.com> Neil Watson wrote: > How would you ensure that a cron job was not run on a statutory holiday? > My current thought was > > 4 4 * * 2-6 grep `date +%Y%m%d` /etc/holidays 1>/dev/null && my_script > > Using this method the holidays file is kept manually. Is there a more > elegant and automatic way? > Well, given that stat holidays vary considerably with jurisdiction, you'd need a list from somewhere. How else would your computer know what the holidays are, where you live? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 00:09:24 2006 From: jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Spiro) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:09:24 -0500 Subject: Cron jobs and holidays In-Reply-To: <20061214185357.GB14893-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20061214185357.GB14893@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: Hi Neil, 2006/12/14, Neil Watson wrote: [snip] > Using this method the holidays file is kept manually. Does Debian not ship with some sort of holidays file? Perhaps it ships with some calendar software or such? Such a file could be automatically updated at dist-upgrade time. Alternatively, does Debian ship with software that can automatically figure out when holidays are? (Can't Emacs calendar.el do so?) Regards, Jason -- Jason Spiro: computer consulting with a smile. I also provide training and spyware removal services for homes and businesses. Call or email for a FREE 5-minute consultation. Satisfaction guaranteed. 416-781-5938 / Email: info-1hdvTAswZAHQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org / MSN: jasonspiro-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 03:01:28 2006 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:01:28 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe.ca/support Message-ID: is up. it's not 100% ready, but if you want to put up a free listing of your perfeshinal computering skills, please go to linuxcaffe.ca/support, list away and leave feedback in the consultants forum; http://www.linuxcaffe.ca/forum/30 repeat feedback requested over -- djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org www.linuxcaffe.ca geek chic and caffe cachet 326 Harbord Street, Toronto, M6G 3A5, (416) 534-2116 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 14:05:17 2006 From: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org (Scott C. Ripley) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:05:17 -0600 (CST) Subject: Cron jobs and holidays In-Reply-To: <20061214185357.GB14893-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20061214185357.GB14893@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: of course perl has some handy modules: http://search.cpan.org/search?m=all&q=holiday&s=1 Date::Manip http://search.cpan.org/~sbeck/DateManip-5.44/Manip.pod#HOLIDAY_SECTION would allow you to use a nomenclature for describing holidays, you would be able to minimize the amount of (year-to-year) maintenance required for your holiday file... (i.e. rather than grep, make simple script using this module to return true/false depending on date passed in & config file of holidays for your geographic region) On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Neil Watson wrote: > How would you ensure that a cron job was not run on a statutory holiday? > My current thought was > > 4 4 * * 2-6 grep `date +%Y%m%d` /etc/holidays 1>/dev/null && my_script > > Using this method the holidays file is kept manually. Is there a more > elegant and automatic way? > > -- Gold For Sale (e-mail me for info!) ----- Scott C. Ripley phone: (416)738-6357 www: http://www.scottripley.com email: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Secure Your E-Mail! http://www.mysecuremail.com/javascrypt/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 15:36:36 2006 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:36:36 -0500 Subject: Cron jobs and holidays In-Reply-To: <20061214185357.GB14893-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20061214185357.GB14893@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20061215153636.GB5423@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 01:53:57PM -0500, Neil Watson wrote: > How would you ensure that a cron job was not run on a statutory holiday? > My current thought was > > 4 4 * * 2-6 grep `date +%Y%m%d` /etc/holidays 1>/dev/null && my_script > > Using this method the holidays file is kept manually. Is there a more > elegant and automatic way? The one item of elegance I'd add is to put the test into a script so that it can be used in other cron lines (and elsewhere too). 4 4 * * 2-6 today_is_holiday && my_holiday_script 4 4 * * 2-6 today_is_holiday || my_normal_script -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 14:43:04 2006 From: jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:43:04 -0500 Subject: Unix list In-Reply-To: References: <20061214185357.GB14893@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <4582B478.8070001@totaltravelmarketing.com> Hi Guys/ Gals I am looking for a Unix Solaris email list as good as TLUG, By any chance, does anybody could recommend one?, I looked around but I couldn't allocate one Thanks Jose -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 14:42:36 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:42:36 -0500 Subject: Cron jobs and holidays In-Reply-To: <20061215153636.GB5423-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20061214185357.GB14893@watson-wilson.ca> <20061215153636.GB5423@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: Indeed, you don't need to pass in a date at all, the current time can be determined in the script. Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 15:29:54 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 15 Dec 2006 10:29:54 -0500 Subject: Cron jobs and holidays In-Reply-To: <20061215153636.GB5423-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20061214185357.GB14893@watson-wilson.ca> <20061215153636.GB5423@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: John Macdonald writes: > On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 01:53:57PM -0500, Neil Watson wrote: > > How would you ensure that a cron job was not run on a statutory holiday? > > My current thought was > > > > 4 4 * * 2-6 grep `date +%Y%m%d` /etc/holidays 1>/dev/null && my_script > > > > Using this method the holidays file is kept manually. Is there a more > > elegant and automatic way? > > The one item of elegance I'd add is to put the test into > a script so that it can be used in other cron lines (and > elsewhere too). > > 4 4 * * 2-6 today_is_holiday && my_holiday_script > 4 4 * * 2-6 today_is_holiday || my_normal_script That's a good idea. Rather than "today_is_holiday", I'd probably call it just "is_holiday" and provide the date as an optional argument. IOW, the usage is: is_holiday [date] This is easily done at the start of the script like this: date=${1-`date +%Y%m%d`} -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 15:39:16 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:39:16 -0500 Subject: We need VMware packages for Fedora and Debian (was: C header files location) In-Reply-To: <20061215092130.GB15347-alfUuSQnAl3B6qux/Yoxr+AVT1eAx/TjhC4ANOJQIlc@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208200044.GC6901@watson-wilson.ca> <457A2AE5.5010503@chrisaitken.net> <4580D282.2050307@gmail.com> <20061214180232.GA8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20061215092130.GB15347@torres.l21.ma.zugschlus.de> Message-ID: <20061215153916.GC8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 10:21:30AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > The VMware tar file is fine for the userspace app, but the modules are > put a little deeper into the system. Additionally, you need the > correctly configured kernel sources and a build system on the host > machine. Building the vmware modules require exactly the same thing as any other kernel modules package on debian. So you need linux-headers-`uname -r`. Not a big deal. Having it packaged the way other debian kernel module sources are would be nice though, since then module-assistant can deal with it and make nice packages that are simple to uninstall later. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 17:17:21 2006 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:17:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Cron jobs and holidays References: <20061214185357.GB14893@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: Use gcal. Knows about holidays and can call external programs at will. It can be called from cron. Peter P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 17:18:44 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:18:44 -0500 Subject: We need VMware packages for Fedora and Debian (was: C header files location) In-Reply-To: <20061215160331.GA23134-alfUuSQnAl3B6qux/Yoxr+AVT1eAx/TjhC4ANOJQIlc@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208200044.GC6901@watson-wilson.ca> <457A2AE5.5010503@chrisaitken.net> <4580D282.2050307@gmail.com> <20061214180232.GA8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20061215092130.GB15347@torres.l21.ma.zugschlus.de> <20061215153916.GC8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20061215160331.GA23134@torres.l21.ma.zugschlus.de> Message-ID: <20061215171844.GD8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 05:03:31PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > > Building the vmware modules require exactly the same thing as any other > > kernel modules package on debian. > > No. The other kernel modules on Debian build into a .deb which can be > moved to a different system without hassle. The VMware stock module > build process forces them directly into the file system of the build > system, which might be different from the actual target system. I said it requires the same thing (kernel headers, compiler, etc). I did not say it gave the same result (a debian package for example). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 18:00:48 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:00:48 -0500 Subject: Automated purge of deleted email items Message-ID: <99a6c38f0612151000g5a90480eredc760754d38fd6a@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I've been tasked with a project that I'm not quite sure how to approach. I have a several hundred mail users (IMAP) that aren't exactly power users. Many of them don't seem to understand how to purge deleted email in their mail clients (mostly Outlook or Outlook Express). Is there a way to automate this process on the server, such that once a day (via cron) the system cycles through all the mailboxes and automagically purges any items marked as deleted? TIA, - Scott. -- Scott Elcomb http://atomos.sourceforge.net/ http://search.cpan.org/~selcomb/SAL-3.03/ http://psema4.googlepages.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 19:02:50 2006 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:02:50 -0500 Subject: Variables in GNU make Message-ID: <20061215190250.GA9446@watson-wilson.ca> Hello, I'm delving into GNU make for the first time. My goal is to build a revision labeled tar file from a working copy of source code. Here is what I have started: # makefile # This file will build a boot strap client. SHELL=/bin/sh # Vpath works like PATH. The inputs directory will be searched for any # .conf # files that are referenced. vpath %.conf inputs vpath %.sv init.d PUBLICKEY=tor-heisenberg.pub .PHONY: help help: make --print-data-base --question | \ awk '/^[^.%][-A-Za-z0-9]*:/ \ { print substr($$1, 1, length($$1)-1) }' | \ sort # Make client tarball to be copied to client. .PHONY: client client: cfengine-bs.tgz # Tarball file that will be copied to the client. cfengine-bs.tgz: makefile cfagent cfkey cfexecd update.conf ${PUBLCKEY} cfexecd.sv tar -cvzpf cfengine-bs.tgz $^ # server public key ${PUBLICKEY}: cp /var/cfengine/ppkeys/${PUBLICKEY} ${PUBLICKEY} This current version works. I'd like the tar file name (from 'make client') to include the revision number. I can get it like this: REV=`svn info|awk '/^Revision.*/ { print $2 }'` How can ensure that the dependancy in 'client: cfengine-bs.tgz' changes with the revision (cfengine-bs-22.tgz)? Also how could this apply to the target cfengine-bs-22.tgz: makefile cfagent cfkey cfexecd update.conf ${PUBLCKEY} cfexecd.sv This make file will also include the install target. On the host where the install target will be used, the revision is not needed (svn is not even installed). How can I make the revision variable conditional or a dependant of the client target? -- Neil Watson | Debian Linux System Administrator | Uptime 13:49:14 up 16:16, 2 users, load average: 0.14, 0.04, 0.01 http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 19:30:27 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:30:27 -0500 Subject: Variables in GNU make In-Reply-To: <20061215190250.GA9446-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20061215190250.GA9446@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: I strongly recommend that you look into using automake, it handles all of this for you. Do a search for Automake, autoconf, and libtool if you need a resource, that's how I learned how to use it. The learning curve is a bit steep, but it's much more convenient than writing a makefile by hand. Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 19:40:20 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:40:20 -0500 Subject: Automated purge of deleted email items In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0612151000g5a90480eredc760754d38fd6a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0612151000g5a90480eredc760754d38fd6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061215194020.GE8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 01:00:48PM -0500, Scott Elcomb wrote: > I've been tasked with a project that I'm not quite sure how to > approach. I have a several hundred mail users (IMAP) that aren't > exactly power users. Many of them don't seem to understand how to > purge deleted email in their mail clients (mostly Outlook or Outlook > Express). Is there a way to automate this process on the server, such > that once a day (via cron) the system cycles through all the mailboxes > and automagically purges any items marked as deleted? There are settings in the mail clients that will purge on close automatically. Why is that setting not enabled by default? It is not the imap servers job to decide when to purge messages, that is the responsibility of the client. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 19:28:31 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:28:31 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe.ca/support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99a6c38f0612151128q1880a539p7b274cf0e54f4e96@mail.gmail.com> On 12/14/06, David J Patrick wrote: > is up. > it's not 100% ready, but if you want to put up a free listing of your > perfeshinal computering skills, > please go to linuxcaffe.ca/support, list away and leave feedback in the > consultants forum; > http://www.linuxcaffe.ca/forum/30 > > repeat > feedback requested > over > Roger. Out. :P -- Scott Elcomb http://atomos.sourceforge.net/ http://search.cpan.org/~selcomb/SAL-3.03/ http://psema4.googlepages.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 20:34:30 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:34:30 -0500 Subject: Automated purge of deleted email items In-Reply-To: <20061215194020.GE8590-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0612151000g5a90480eredc760754d38fd6a@mail.gmail.com> <20061215194020.GE8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0612151234l62d47385o39bbbcf94541561a@mail.gmail.com> On 12/15/06, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > There are settings in the mail clients that will purge on close > automatically. Why is that setting not enabled by default? It is not > the imap servers job to decide when to purge messages, that is the > responsibility of the client. The setting isn't enabled by default because that would require training people to do something "complicated." Yes, I know how bad that sounds. lol. There's also the possibility that people will delete email items by accident, and may wish to recover them even after closing the folder/client. By running a cron job late at night, this offers our users the ability to recover deleted email before the following day. After that, they're SOL. Or at least, that's what my superiors would like. -- Scott Elcomb http://atomos.sourceforge.net/ http://search.cpan.org/~selcomb/SAL-3.03/ http://psema4.googlepages.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 21:07:47 2006 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:06:47 +1859 Subject: Automated purge of deleted email items In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0612151000g5a90480eredc760754d38fd6a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0612151000g5a90480eredc760754d38fd6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7ac602420612151307o41b8637bl1e369fe2a46faf7c@mail.gmail.com> My personal mail server (qmail) stores all my email in maildir format. I've set up an IMAP server (binc) on top of that. In my scenario, deleted messages end up in $HOME/.maildir/Trash/cur if they've been read, and they might end up in $HOME/.maildir/Trash/new if they've not been read, but I can't confirm that bit. Each message is a separate file so, if I wanted to accomplish the same thing on my home server, I'd create a cronjob that used something like find /home/*/.maildir/Trash/{new,cur} -type f -delete possibly with some of the date modifiers to only remove files that are more than N days old. If your version of find doesn't support -delete (I think it's fairly new) you can either use find /home/*/.maildir/Trash/{new,cur} -type f -exec rm \{\} \; or find /home/*/.maildir/Trash/{new,cur} -type f | xargs rm whichever you prefer. Of course, if your mail store isn't in maildir format, then I have no idea. Ian -- Tired of pop-ups, security holes, and spyware? Try Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 21:21:06 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:21:06 -0500 Subject: Automated purge of deleted email items In-Reply-To: <7ac602420612151307o41b8637bl1e369fe2a46faf7c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0612151000g5a90480eredc760754d38fd6a@mail.gmail.com> <7ac602420612151307o41b8637bl1e369fe2a46faf7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0612151321r34cbaa35xa1538372404effdc@mail.gmail.com> On 12/15/06, Ian Petersen wrote: > My personal mail server (qmail) stores all my email in maildir format. [...] > Of course, if your mail store isn't in maildir format, then I have no idea. Thanks for the info Ian. Unfortunately, we're not using maildir. They're in an mbox format under /var/spool/mail. :-( -- Scott Elcomb http://atomos.sourceforge.net/ http://search.cpan.org/~selcomb/SAL-3.03/ http://psema4.googlepages.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 15 21:48:37 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:48:37 -0500 Subject: LoneCoder: Microsoft and Novell: The Battle of the Suits Message-ID: <1166219317.9631.8.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> This is the latest entry in my Lone Coder web column. Ken B. --- "For many computer companies, the challenge is not producing better products or developing a good marketing strategy. The challenge is to find executives (or "suits") who understand the business... Novell has kind of been the Corel of the U. S. It has been known for its failure to understand its own technology, most stunningly over its sale of WordPerfect to Corel for a fraction of its actual price. In 2003, Novell purchased SuSE Linux, a German distribution which, at the time, was the number two version of Linux, leaving the SuSE developers to work with minimal interference from the corporate brass (Wikipedia). Novell had been struggling through 2006 with frequent turnaround of the suits who had been unable to cash in on SuSE Linux as they had planned. In November, Novell announced a new multi-point deal with their old nemesis, Microsoft. Microsoft provided cash and assurances that Novell would be protected from lawsuits. Novell would improve the compatibility of their software with Microsoft products..." "The thing that everyone is forgetting, however, is who made the deal. It was the suits..." Read the complete article at http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder/coder_december_2006.html -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone/Fax: 905-562-0848 "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org "Perl Phrasebook" Blog: http://www.pegasoft.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 16 00:00:33 2006 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:00:33 -0500 Subject: cp produces odd file name ending in "?" Message-ID: Hi All, I'm getting confused by something that is probably fairly simple (just not to me). I am running the following simple script to copy files in bash: cp -p ../simuvolk/simbtnew2.tst simuvolk/simbtnew2.tst #done cp -p ../longhor.prg longhor.prg #done cp -p ../simuvolk/mcpower2.gra simuvolk/mcpower2.gra #done cp -p ../simuvolk/mcsign2.prg simuvolk/mcsign2.prg #done cp -p ../simuvolk/simulm.gss simuvolk/simulm.gss #done cp -p ../simuvolk/simuar.gss simuvolk/simuar.gss #done cp -p ../simuvolk/simudatabreak.gss simuvolk/simudatabreak.gss #done cp -p ../simuvolk/simumcbrk.gss simuvolk/simumcbrk.gss #done cp -p /home/wei/longhor/simuvolk/proc/stock.g simuvolk/proc/stock.g cp -p /home/wei/longhor/simuvolk/proc/jab.prc simuvolk/proc/jab.prc cp -p /share2/wei/pctile3a.prc share2/wei/pctile3a.prc cp -p /home/wei/longhor/simuvolk/stock/campbell/LHREGHH.G simuvolk/stock/campbell/LHREGHH.G cp -p ../simuvolk/stock/campbell/LHREGNW.G simuvolk/stock/campbell/LHREGNW.G cp -p ../simuvolk/stock/campbell/hachh.g simuvolk/stock/campbell/hachh.g cp -p ../simuvolk/stock/campbell/hacnw.g simuvolk/stock/campbell/hacnw.g cp -p ../simuvolk/proc/cowork2.prc simuvolk/proc/cowork2.prc #cp -p ../simuvolk/proc/mic1.g simuvolk/proc/mic1.g cp -p ../simuvolk/proc/boundtest.prc simuvolk/proc/boundtest.prc cp -p ../simuvolk/proc/fraction.asm simuvolk/proc/fraction.asm The strange thing is a number of the files, such as simuvolk/stock/campbell/LHREGHH.G end up having a "?" at the end of the filename after they are copied. When I use the tab to type the file name this "?" becomes a "^M" I can get rid of the "?" by hand using mv LHREGHH.G^M LHREGHH.G^M But when I try automating that adding the similar command: mv simuvolk/stock/campbell/LHREGHH.G^M simuvolk/stock/campbell/LHREGHH.G it doesn't find the file. Changing the "^M" to "?" doesn't help either. I don't really understand where the "?" comes from in the first place or how I can get rid of it systematically from the bash script. Has anyone had experience with this? (I've never seen that before) Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 16 00:55:20 2006 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:55:20 -0500 Subject: cp produces odd file name ending in "?" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1166230520.13100.7.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 19:00 -0500, Alex Maynard wrote: > The strange thing is a number of the files, such as > simuvolk/stock/campbell/LHREGHH.G end up having a "?" > at the end of the filename after they are copied. > > When I use the tab to type the file name this "?" becomes > a "^M" This hasn't happened to me. However, "^M" is often a short-form for "Control-M" or a carriage return. Windows and Macintosh text files use carriage returns at the end of line. Linux uses a line feed character. If you created the script on Windows or a Macintosh OS, or if you copied-and-pasted the filenames from Windows or a Mac window but accidentally copied the end of the line along with the filename (where the black highlight extends to the right edge of the window), there might be stray carriage returns in the script. On Linux the shell interpreter might think a stray carriage return at the end of the line is a part of the destination file name. To remove all carriage returns, use a command like tr -d '\r' < original.txt > result.txt and see if the file size changed as a result with ls -l. That would be a place to start. KB -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone/Fax: 905-562-0848 "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org "Perl Phrasebook" Blog: http://www.pegasoft.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 16 03:09:47 2006 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:09:47 -0500 Subject: cp produces odd file name ending in "?" In-Reply-To: <1166230520.13100.7.camel-sLtTAFnw5m7xXJQZHMdDwiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1166230520.13100.7.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: Ken, Thank you. That worked perfectly. Alex On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Ken Burtch wrote: > On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 19:00 -0500, Alex Maynard wrote: > > > The strange thing is a number of the files, such as > > simuvolk/stock/campbell/LHREGHH.G end up having a "?" > > at the end of the filename after they are copied. > > > > When I use the tab to type the file name this "?" becomes > > a "^M" > > This hasn't happened to me. However, "^M" is often a short-form for > "Control-M" or a carriage return. Windows and Macintosh text files use > carriage returns at the end of line. Linux uses a line feed character. > If you created the script on Windows or a Macintosh OS, or if you > copied-and-pasted the filenames from Windows or a Mac window but > accidentally copied the end of the line along with the filename (where > the black highlight extends to the right edge of the window), there > might be stray carriage returns in the script. On Linux the shell > interpreter might think a stray carriage return at the end of the line > is a part of the destination file name. > > To remove all carriage returns, use a command like > > tr -d '\r' < original.txt > result.txt > > and see if the file size changed as a result with ls -l. > > That would be a place to start. > > KB > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ken O. Burtch Phone/Fax: 905-562-0848 > "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > "Perl Phrasebook" Blog: http://www.pegasoft.ca > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 16 13:54:09 2006 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 08:54:09 -0500 Subject: get gstreamer or xine torelease sound card? Message-ID: <1166277249.19592.108.camel@localhost> hi folks, so my amarok player is nearly complete! You may remember i was building an amarok-ipod system. I had some trouble with the sound card on my thinkpad 600e -- it's not recognized correctly and I couldn't get the alsa driver to load. oss works ok, though, so I am using that' but on suspned, the driver hangs, so it needs to be removed before suspend. Unfortunately amarok takes a while to come up when it's restarted. So I would like to figure out a way to get amarok (which on xubuntu uses xine) to pause and then temporarily releasethe soundcard. Anyone know how to do that? Is it at all possible? If I could get gstreamer0.10 to do the same thing, that would also be good enough. The current amarok can't use gstreamer, far as I can tell, but exaline does, and exaline is just about good enough for my purposes. THaks loads, matt -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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According to what is printed on the box 7.2 kg. per box (hauling 2 home that was about all I could manage on TTC), Regardless, if this is of interest, speak nicely to the lady noted below. Colin McGregor --- mothersafrica wrote: > To: FreecycleTO-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw at public.gmane.org > From: "mothersafrica" > Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 00:00:31 -0000 > Subject: [FreecycleTO] OFFER: Brand new and still in > boxes Computer Cases > > Once again I'm offering the last batch of at least > 10 brand new > computer cases (ATX) with it's own power supply > factory installed. They > are all in boxes and unopened. These are tower type > cases with minimum > 5 bays and ready to go this weekend. Please serious > enquirers only. > > Email us if you're interested. > > Keele / Finch -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 16 14:59:47 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:59:47 -0500 Subject: PC cases In-Reply-To: <20061216140240.57847.qmail-iqFe0qLNPGCB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20061216140240.57847.qmail@web88213.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <458409E3.5020907@alteeve.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > I am on the Freecycle mailing list (a group that tries > to keep functional stuff out of landfills) and I got > the e-mail below last evening. The lady in question > posted this offer a few weeks ago, and I got two of > the cases in question. They are nice cases, off-white > with dark grey trim, Pentium 4 compatible power > supply, 2 USB ports on the front (no audio jacks on > front :-( ). I can e-mail a picture if anyone is > interested. According to what is printed on the box > 7.2 kg. per box (hauling 2 home that was about all I > could manage on TTC), Regardless, if this is of > interest, speak nicely to the lady noted below. > > > Colin McGregor > > --- mothersafrica wrote: >> To: FreecycleTO-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw at public.gmane.org >> From: "mothersafrica" >> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 00:00:31 -0000 >> Subject: [FreecycleTO] OFFER: Brand new and still in >> boxes Computer Cases >> >> Once again I'm offering the last batch of at least >> 10 brand new >> computer cases (ATX) with it's own power supply >> factory installed. They >> are all in boxes and unopened. These are tower type >> cases with minimum >> 5 bays and ready to go this weekend. Please serious >> enquirers only. >> >> Email us if you're interested. >> >> Keele / Finch I'd be interested, my b/f and I try to put machines together as cheaply as possible for people who can't afford new machines. This would certainly help. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 16 16:12:56 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:12:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: PC cases In-Reply-To: <458409E3.5020907-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <458409E3.5020907@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <387861.1841.qm@web88213.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Madison Kelly wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > > I am on the Freecycle mailing list (a group that > tries > > to keep functional stuff out of landfills) and I > got > > the e-mail below last evening. The lady in > question > > posted this offer a few weeks ago, and I got two > of > > the cases in question. They are nice cases, > off-white > > with dark grey trim, Pentium 4 compatible power > > supply, 2 USB ports on the front (no audio jacks > on > > front :-( ). I can e-mail a picture if anyone is > > interested. According to what is printed on the > box > > 7.2 kg. per box (hauling 2 home that was about all > I > > could manage on TTC), Regardless, if this is of > > interest, speak nicely to the lady noted below. > > > > > > Colin McGregor > > > > --- mothersafrica wrote: > >> To: FreecycleTO-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw at public.gmane.org > >> From: "mothersafrica" > >> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 00:00:31 -0000 > >> Subject: [FreecycleTO] OFFER: Brand new and still > in > >> boxes Computer Cases > >> > >> Once again I'm offering the last batch of at > least > >> 10 brand new > >> computer cases (ATX) with it's own power supply > >> factory installed. They > >> are all in boxes and unopened. These are tower > type > >> cases with minimum > >> 5 bays and ready to go this weekend. Please > serious > >> enquirers only. > >> > >> Email us if you're interested. > >> > >> Keele / Finch > > I'd be interested, my b/f and I try to put machines > together as cheaply > as possible for people who can't afford new > machines. This would > certainly help. :) Well, contact the lady above directly, and note: - When you can pick-up - How many you can pick-up If she says yes, and sends you her street address, be sure to be there when you say you will be there (I have been on the offering side of things and I find it very annoying when people say they will show at a certain time, and don't). If you do get a case (or cases), be sure to send a short thank-you note... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 16 17:09:37 2006 From: smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sheldon Mustard) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:09:37 -0500 Subject: Unix list In-Reply-To: <4582B478.8070001-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <20061214185357.GB14893@watson-wilson.ca> <4582B478.8070001@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <22e435080612160909n2b3b4facsbaa08a4504bde727@mail.gmail.com> comp.unix.solaris is decent. SJM On 12/15/06, Jose wrote: > Hi Guys/ Gals > > I am looking for a Unix Solaris email list as good as TLUG, By any > chance, does anybody could recommend one?, I looked around but I > couldn't allocate one > > Thanks > > Jose > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Sheldon Mustard smustard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org "There will be no order, only chaos." - Pi (1998) -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 16 17:24:10 2006 From: shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:24:10 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Re: We need VMware packages for Fedora and Debian (was: C header files location) In-Reply-To: <45818163.7070907-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <45818163.7070907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612161224.10958.shrike@heinous.org> I don't know of any plans to support Debian. Last time we tried (several years ago) the relationship did not work out well. If the Debian community steering committee approaches our partner engineering group and started the relationship again I could see VMware adding support. If you need a contact, I can try to find out who the host OS support partner contact is. Cheers, -Joseph- On Thursday 14 December 2006 11:52, Jason Spiro wrote: > Hi Joseph and Zach, > > How are you? I missed OLS this year because of a summer job, but I hope > to see you again there next year. :-) > > Do either of you know: Do VMware have plans to package VMware Server for > Debian Linux 3.1 ("sarge") and 4.0 ("etch") and for Ubuntu? > > (Based on my experience doing volunteer tech support on the Ubuntu IRC > channel, I think packaging VMware for Debian/Ubuntu would: > > * increase your mindshare > * improve your reputation as a producer of easy-to-install software > * and, therefore, increase sales of VMware software and support. > > What do you think?) > > Regards, > Jason Spiro > Toronto, Canada > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: We need VMware packages for Fedora and Debian (was: C > header files location) > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:21:04 +0100 > From: Marc Haber > To: Jason Spiro > CC: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org, Marc Haber > References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail-oZic0ScuCLMGvIJkKQROuQ at public.gmane.org> > <20061208200044.GC6901-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org> > <457A2AE5.5010503-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org> > > <4580D282.2050307-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> > > Hi, > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:26:42PM -0500, Jason Spiro wrote: > > Do VMware not ship packages for Fedora Core? I know they don't have > > Debian packages. There's only a vmware-player package in Debian. > > > > I wish VMware was packaged for Debian. We should all write to VMware and > > suggest it. Anyone know the proper email address is? > > > > By the way, Marc Haber has kindly created a Debian package (in contrib) > > called vmware-package. Description follows. Marc, perhaps you know: do > > VMware have any plans for creating real Debian packages for VMware > > Server? > > No idea. Vmware is playing a rather closed shop. Especially using > vmware-any-any has shown to be a communication killer. > > > "This package provides the capability to create Debian packages for > > various VMware products and related software by obtaining VMware > > tarballs and then just running make-vmpkg. > > > > It can currently build Debian packages for the following VMware and > > VMware related products: > > > > * VMware kernel modules for Linux, using the vmware-any-any tarball > > > > It is planned to extend make-vmkg to build Debian packages for the > > following VMware products: > > > > * VMware Player 1.0.2 > > The package that is currently in Debian can already do this. > > Please note that the kernel modules are specific to the Kernel _AND_ > to the vmware userspace application, so if we extend vmware-package to > VMware Server, we'd need to extend the build process to build > vmware-any-any-player and vmware-any-any-server module sources. > Somebody with deeper make(1) knowledge than me is needed to do this. > > Greetings > Marc > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 16 19:40:50 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 14:40:50 -0500 Subject: get gstreamer or xine torelease sound card? In-Reply-To: <1166277249.19592.108.camel@localhost> References: <1166277249.19592.108.camel@localhost> Message-ID: You'll want to research how to run code on suspend, and how to use DCOP to tell amarok to stop playing, I would guess. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 16 20:46:30 2006 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:46:30 -0500 Subject: get gstreamer or xine torelease sound card? In-Reply-To: References: <1166277249.19592.108.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1166301990.5814.10.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2006-16-12 at 14:40 -0500, Simon wrote: > You'll want to research how to run code on suspend, and how to use > DCOP to tell amarok to stop playing, I would guess. yes. I can get amarok to stop using dcop amarok player void stop but that doesn't free up the module (lsmod | grep cs4232 still gives a line: cs4232 1 ) I can also suspend amarok with killall -STOP amarokapp and resume with killall -CONT amarokapp again, though, these don't free up the module. But if I quit the program altogether: dcop amarok MainApplication-Interface void quit the module does become free and I can unload it. SO the question for me is whether the amarok engine (in this case xine, though I see that mandriva is packaging a gstreamer0.10 backend) can be compelled to give up the soundcard. I notice that if I pause amarok, and reset the xine output from oss to file, the module becomes free. If I could set that config value, then set it back to what I had before, tht would be perfect. I imagine all the info is stored somewhere in .kde/apps/amarok, but I'm new to this and just starting to figure it out. thanks, matt > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 17 05:43:24 2006 From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:43:24 -0500 Subject: OT: Macquarium Kit Available For Free! Message-ID: Hi everyone. I've got a Macquarium kit available for FREE to whoever wants it. I started building this fish tank in a Mac case a few years ago, but lost interest and never finished it. The kit includes: - Mac 512K case shell - Aquarium air pump - 2 way air control valve - rubber hose/tubing - under gravel filter (fits in the case) - bag of decorative gravel (black/grey) - bubble wall - 5 pre-cut pieces of glass for the tank - full instructions (obtained from http://lowendmac.com/compact/macquarium.shtml) Note that this is NOT a complete kit... you will still have to get a few more things to build it. And, the tank itself needs to be built. The glass is pre-cut to the proper size; you will need to get aquarium-grade silicone caulking (not the Home Depot stuff) to put it together. The instructions tell all. First reply, first get. Reply to me directly, off list, at paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe9fmgfxC/sS/w at public.gmane.org Serious people only. And if you do build it, send me a picture! pm -- Paul Mora email: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Registered Linux user #2065 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 17 11:53:34 2006 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 06:53:34 -0500 Subject: GNU Assembler (gas) on x86_64 Message-ID: <200612170653.35170.marc@lijour.net> Hi I try to follow Richard Blum "Assembly Language" book (Wrox) which focuses on Linux and GNU gas -which is a very good thing. However, my platform is x86_64, not i686. I could tweak the code a little bit to avoid segfault by using information gathered at http://www.x86-64.org/documentation/assembly . Now the code looks like this: # Using printf from libc .section .data output: .asciz "The processor Vendor ID is '%s'\n" .section .bss .lcomm buffer, 12 .section .text .globl _start _start: nop movq $0, %rax cpuid movq $buffer, %rdi movq %rbx, (%rdi) movq %rdx, 4 (%rdi) movq %rcx, 8 (%rdi) pushq $buffer pushq $output call printf addq $8, %rsp pushq $0 call exit The unmodified example from the book gives this result on Intel i686: $ ./cpuid2_i686 The processor Vendor ID is 'GenuineIntel' But the code above gives me this on my AMD64: $ ./cpuid2_x86_64 AuthenticAMD (followed by no newline) Question: why is the string (label output) not used by printf?? Google failed me on this... May be there are some assembly programming gurus on the list? Marc -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 17 13:02:05 2006 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 08:02:05 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208200044.GC6901@watson-wilson.ca> <457A2AE5.5010503@chrisaitken.net> <20061210015606.28310.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> Message-ID: <45853FCD.3040104@chrisaitken.net> Tim Writer wrote: >Simon is correct. You have to provide the output of: > > % echo /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include > >to vmware, i.e. in Simon's case: > > /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/build/include > >Can I make a suggestion? Chris is having a lot of trouble with this and I >think part of it is the confusion added by well meaning people who aren't >sure of the problem but think they can help. If you don't know with >certainty how to help Chris, wait to see if someone else responds before >responding with something that might be incorrect. > > I hope you guys won't mind that I did an OS (FC4) re-install. There was nothing on this new installation that I couldn't live without so I thought I'd do an 'Everything' install (I have the room) so that all libraries, headers, whatever (at least all that come with the four FC4 CDs) would be on the computer. Well, I guess that solved the header problem but now I seem to have a new problem. I didn't start a new thread in case this new problem is, somehow, still connected to the old one. Please let me know if I should start a new thread. Sorry, I didn't solve the header problem with the advice offered. Frankly, as intersting as it was, some (a lot) of the information offered (coding et al) was simply over my head (humbling, actually). Thanks for all the help - I know you guys put a lot of time into this. I am serious about solving this problem if you're still up to helping me. This PC will be a gift for my teenager. He likes to play old Windows games. If I gave him the PC with no OS on it he would just throw W98SE on it. I'm trying to make a system that will guest W98SE in a virtual machine so he can play his games. I'm not just trying to push linux on him (well, maybe a *little*) - I want Linux on there so it's part of our four-PC network (for printing, backing up with scp, etc.). Any help is appreciated and *will* be follwoed. Chris >Simon writes: > > > >>You have to interpolate the `uname -r` part in a shell, and then pass >>the output to the vmware script. >> >>As an example, on my system in a terminal: >> >>$ echo /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include >>/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/build/include >> >>$ uname -r >>2.6.17-10-generic >> >>As you can see, the output of uname -r replaces `uname -r` in the echo command. >> >>Simon >> >>On 12/9/06, chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> >> >>>What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your >>>running >>>kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include >>> >>>The path "/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include" is not an existing >>>directory. >>> >>> >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> >> > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 17 14:04:23 2006 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 09:04:23 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: <45853FCD.3040104-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208200044.GC6901@watson-wilson.ca> <457A2AE5.5010503@chrisaitken.net> <20061210015606.28310.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <45853FCD.3040104@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <45854E67.9060901@chrisaitken.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > I hope you guys won't mind that I did an OS (FC4) re-install. There > was nothing on this new installation that I couldn't live without so I > thought I'd do an 'Everything' install (I have the room) so that all > libraries, headers, whatever (at least all that come with the four FC4 > CDs) would be on the computer. Well, I guess that solved the header > problem but now I seem to have a new problem. Sorry, I forgot to cut & paste the vmware-config.pl output - I gave you the sizle with no steak: Do you accept? (yes/no) yes Thank you. Trying to find a suitable vmmon module for your running kernel. None of VMware Workstation's pre-built vmmon modules is suitable for your running kernel. Do you want this program to try to build the vmmon module for your system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)? [yes] yes Using compiler "/usr/bin/gcc". Use environment variable CC to override. What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/lib/modules/2.6.11-1.1369_FC4/build/include] Extracting the sources of the vmmon module. Building the vmmon module. Using 2.6.x kernel build system. make: Entering directory `/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only' make -C /lib/modules/2.6.11-1.1369_FC4/build/include/.. SUBDIRS=$PWD SRCROOT=$PWD/. modules make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.11-1.1369_FC4-i686' CC [M] /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.o /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:131: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:135: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type CC [M] /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.o In file included from /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.c:61: /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/./include/pgtbl.h: In function ?PgtblVa2PTELocked?: /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/./include/pgtbl.h:81: warning: passing argument 1 of ?pmd_offset? from incompatible pointer type /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.c: In function ?HostIF_FreeLockedPages?: /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.c:738: error: ?struct page? has no member named ?count? /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.c:740: error: ?struct page? has no member named ?count? make[2]: *** [/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.o] Error 1 make[1]: *** [_module_/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.11-1.1369_FC4-i686' make: *** [vmmon.ko] Error 2 make: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only' Unable to build the vmmon module. For more information on how to troubleshoot module-related problems, please visit our Web site at "http://www.vmware.com/download/modules/modules.html" and "http://www.vmware.com/support/reference/linux/prebuilt_modules_linux.html". Execution aborted. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 17 16:31:24 2006 From: shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:31:24 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: <45854E67.9060901-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <45853FCD.3040104@chrisaitken.net> <45854E67.9060901@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <200612171131.24800.shrike@heinous.org> On Sunday 17 December 2006 09:04, Chris Aitken wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > > > > > I hope you guys won't mind that I did an OS (FC4) re-install. There > > was nothing on this new installation that I couldn't live without so I > > thought I'd do an 'Everything' install (I have the room) so that all > > libraries, headers, whatever (at least all that come with the four FC4 > > CDs) would be on the computer. Well, I guess that solved the header > > problem but now I seem to have a new problem. > > Sorry, I forgot to cut & paste the vmware-config.pl output - I gave you > the sizle with no steak: > > Do you accept? (yes/no) yes > > Thank you. > > Trying to find a suitable vmmon module for your running kernel. > > None of VMware Workstation's pre-built vmmon modules is suitable for your > running kernel. Do you want this program to try to build the vmmon > module for > your system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)? > [yes] yes > > Using compiler "/usr/bin/gcc". Use environment variable CC to override. > > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > running > kernel? [/lib/modules/2.6.11-1.1369_FC4/build/include] > > Extracting the sources of the vmmon module. > > Building the vmmon module. > > Using 2.6.x kernel build system. > make: Entering directory `/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only' > make -C /lib/modules/2.6.11-1.1369_FC4/build/include/.. SUBDIRS=$PWD > SRCROOT=$PWD/. modules > make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.11-1.1369_FC4-i686' > CC [M] /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.o > /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:131: warning: > initialization from incompatible pointer type > /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:135: warning: > initialization from incompatible pointer type > CC [M] /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.o > In file included from /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.c:61: > /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/./include/pgtbl.h: In function > ?PgtblVa2PTELocked?: > /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/./include/pgtbl.h:81: warning: passing > argument 1 of ?pmd_offset? from incompatible pointer type > /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.c: In function > ?HostIF_FreeLockedPages?: > /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.c:738: error: ?struct page? > has no member named ?count? > /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.c:740: error: ?struct page? > has no member named ?count? > make[2]: *** [/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.o] Error 1 > make[1]: *** [_module_/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.11-1.1369_FC4-i686' > make: *** [vmmon.ko] Error 2 > make: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only' > Unable to build the vmmon module. > > For more information on how to troubleshoot module-related problems, please > visit our Web site at > "http://www.vmware.com/download/modules/modules.html" and > "http://www.vmware.com/support/reference/linux/prebuilt_modules_linux.html" >. > > Execution aborted. > > > -- FC4 Latest Kernel is not one of the Kernels that vmware has a proper config for. There is a guy (search the vmware forums for the details) who builds a patch that makes workstation and server run on *anything*. Download and untar the following. Then run vmware-config.pl http://platan.vc.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/vmware-any-any-update105.tar.gz If you have trouble, search the vmware forums for fc4 and there are several good sets of howtos on there. Cheers, -Joseph- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 17 16:57:33 2006 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:57:33 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: <45854E67.9060901-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <20061208200044.GC6901@watson-wilson.ca> <457A2AE5.5010503@chrisaitken.net> <20061210015606.28310.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <45853FCD.3040104@chrisaitken.net> <45854E67.9060901@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <458576FD.1030406@interlog.com> Chris Aitken wrote: > I hope you guys won't mind that I did an OS (FC4) re-install. If you felt you needed to do a re-install I'm curious why you re-installed FC4 rather than installing the newer FC6. FC4 is only supported via Fedora Legacy now IIRC. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 17 21:01:37 2006 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:01:37 -0500 Subject: [OT]: For Fun In-Reply-To: References: <99a6c38f0611121942u168c8294u8d278e7e423b7e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4585B031.5040301@interlog.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > On 11/12/06, Scott Elcomb wrote: >> Signatures. What's your favorite?! > > I have a cast of, erm, thousands... > > egrep '^%' ~/etc/linuxcookies | wc -l > 1647 > > Plenty, plenty of them... That isn't "plenty, plenty" of signatures (aka. taglines). If you don't know about it already, check out the "Taglines Galore" web site. The last time I checked it they had over 450,000 of them. In the early days of that site they added (with my permission) the one I use in my signature block (the #include item). -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 17 21:05:47 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 17 Dec 2006 16:05:47 -0500 Subject: Variables in GNU make In-Reply-To: <20061215190250.GA9446-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20061215190250.GA9446@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: Neil Watson writes: > Hello, > > I'm delving into GNU make for the first time. My goal is to build a > revision labeled tar file from a working copy of source code. Here is > what I have started: > > # makefile > > # This file will build a boot strap client. SHELL=/bin/sh > > > # Vpath works like PATH. The inputs directory will be searched for any > # .conf > # files that are referenced. > vpath %.conf inputs > vpath %.sv init.d > > PUBLICKEY=tor-heisenberg.pub > > .PHONY: help > help: > make --print-data-base --question | \ > awk '/^[^.%][-A-Za-z0-9]*:/ \ > { print substr($$1, 1, length($$1)-1) }' | \ > sort > > # Make client tarball to be copied to client. > .PHONY: client > client: cfengine-bs.tgz > > # Tarball file that will be copied to the client. > cfengine-bs.tgz: makefile cfagent cfkey cfexecd update.conf ${PUBLCKEY} cfexecd.sv > tar -cvzpf cfengine-bs.tgz $^ > > # server public key > ${PUBLICKEY}: > cp /var/cfengine/ppkeys/${PUBLICKEY} ${PUBLICKEY} > > > This current version works. I'd like the tar file name (from 'make client') to > include the revision number. I can get it like this: > REV=`svn info|awk '/^Revision.*/ { print $2 }'` > > How can ensure that the dependancy in 'client: cfengine-bs.tgz' changes with > the revision (cfengine-bs-22.tgz)? Also how could this apply to the target > > cfengine-bs-22.tgz: makefile cfagent cfkey cfexecd update.conf ${PUBLCKEY} cfexecd.sv There are a couple of approaches. The simplest is probably to put the revision into a make variable using $(shell), like this: REV := $(shell svn info | awk '/^Revision.*/ { print $2 }') Then, include the revision in the tar ball target: cfengine-bs-$(REV).tgz: makefile cfagent cfkey cfexecd update.conf ${PUBLCKEY} cfexecd.sv commands to build tarball > This make file will also include the install target. On the host where the > install target will be used, the revision is not needed (svn is not even > installed). How can I make the revision variable conditional or a dependant of > the client target? > > > -- > Neil Watson | Debian Linux > System Administrator | Uptime 13:49:14 up 16:16, 2 users, load average: 0.14, 0.04, 0.01 > http://watson-wilson.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 17 20:45:01 2006 From: jasonspiro4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Spiro) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:45:01 -0500 Subject: We need VMware packages for Fedora and Debian (was: C header files location) In-Reply-To: <200612161224.10958.shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> References: <45818163.7070907@gmail.com> <200612161224.10958.shrike@heinous.org> Message-ID: <4585AC4D.6030009@gmail.com> Joseph Kubik wrote: > I don't know of any plans to support Debian. > Last time we tried (several years ago) the relationship did not work out well. > > If the Debian community steering committee approaches our partner engineering > group and started the relationship again I could see VMware adding support. > > If you need a contact, I can try to find out who the host OS support partner > contact is. Debian is a group of numerous volunteer packagers. They don't have a community steering committee. Did you try discussing the issue you had on debian-devel? Note, though, that Debian is fairly strict about one thing: Packages must conform to Debian policy, which sets out the quality criteria that packages must meet, relating to manpages and such things. One option is to package for Ubuntu first, then Debian later. But my advice is just to write to debian-devel and find a new contact to work with. Two kind and friendly people from IRC #debian I know personally and can recommend are dondelelcaro and azeem. I can get you their email addresses if you want. Also: Why is there a need to get along with your contact from a few years ago at Debian? You can just package the software yourself and put the .debs up on the web, though it's better to get them on ftp.debian.org if possible (acceptance there is a mark of quality.) Help with packaging is available on the debian-mentors and ubuntu-devel mailing lists and IRC channels, which are all very helpful. Cheers, Jason -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 17 21:19:44 2006 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:19:44 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: <200612171131.24800.shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <45853FCD.3040104@chrisaitken.net> <45854E67.9060901@chrisaitken.net> <200612171131.24800.shrike@heinous.org> Message-ID: <4585B470.2030500@chrisaitken.net> Joseph Kubik wrote: >On Sunday 17 December 2006 09:04, Chris Aitken wrote: > > >>Chris Aitken wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>I hope you guys won't mind that I did an OS (FC4) re-install. There >>>was nothing on this new installation that I couldn't live without so I >>>thought I'd do an 'Everything' install (I have the room) so that all >>>libraries, headers, whatever (at least all that come with the four FC4 >>>CDs) would be on the computer. Well, I guess that solved the header >>>problem but now I seem to have a new problem. >>> >>> >>Sorry, I forgot to cut & paste the vmware-config.pl output - I gave you >>the sizle with no steak: >> >>Do you accept? (yes/no) yes >> >>Thank you. >> >>Trying to find a suitable vmmon module for your running kernel. >> >>None of VMware Workstation's pre-built vmmon modules is suitable for your >>running kernel. Do you want this program to try to build the vmmon >>module for >>your system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)? >>[yes] yes >> >>Using compiler "/usr/bin/gcc". Use environment variable CC to override. >> >>What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your >>running >>kernel? [/lib/modules/2.6.11-1.1369_FC4/build/include] >> >>Extracting the sources of the vmmon module. >> >>Building the vmmon module. >> >>Using 2.6.x kernel build system. >>make: Entering directory `/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only' >>make -C /lib/modules/2.6.11-1.1369_FC4/build/include/.. SUBDIRS=$PWD >>SRCROOT=$PWD/. modules >>make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.11-1.1369_FC4-i686' >>CC [M] /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.o >>/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:131: warning: >>initialization from incompatible pointer type >>/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:135: warning: >>initialization from incompatible pointer type >>CC [M] /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.o >>In file included from /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.c:61: >>/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/./include/pgtbl.h: In function >>?PgtblVa2PTELocked?: >>/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/./include/pgtbl.h:81: warning: passing >>argument 1 of ?pmd_offset? from incompatible pointer type >>/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.c: In function >>?HostIF_FreeLockedPages?: >>/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.c:738: error: ?struct page? >>has no member named ?count? >>/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.c:740: error: ?struct page? >>has no member named ?count? >>make[2]: *** [/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.o] Error 1 >>make[1]: *** [_module_/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only] Error 2 >>make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.11-1.1369_FC4-i686' >>make: *** [vmmon.ko] Error 2 >>make: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only' >>Unable to build the vmmon module. >> >>For more information on how to troubleshoot module-related problems, please >>visit our Web site at >>"http://www.vmware.com/download/modules/modules.html" and >>"http://www.vmware.com/support/reference/linux/prebuilt_modules_linux.html" >>. >> >>Execution aborted. >> >> >>-- >> >> > >FC4 Latest Kernel is not one of the Kernels that vmware has a proper config >for. >There is a guy (search the vmware forums for the details) who builds a patch >that makes workstation and server run on *anything*. > >Download and untar the following. Then run vmware-config.pl >http://platan.vc.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/vmware-any-any-update105.tar.gz > > Just untar it? Okay, I downloaded (I think - it was only a coule hundred KB) and ran tar -xzvf. No difference in the problem. So, assuming there is something to run as well I tried... [root at localhost brian]# vmware-any-any-update105/runme.pl Updating /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl ... already patched The file /usr/lib/vmware/modules/source/vmmon.tar that this script was about to install already exists. Overwrite? [yes] yes Unable to copy the source file ./vmmon.tar to the destination file /usr/lib/vmware/modules/source/vmmon.tar. Execution aborted. [root at localhost brian]# ? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jieshu-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 18 02:26:10 2006 From: jieshu-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jay Shu) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:26:10 -0500 Subject: PC cases References: <20061216140240.57847.qmail@web88213.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c7224b$e2523b40$0200a8c0@jie> Hi mothersafrica, I heard you have some ATX computer cases to give away, is there still have any left? I would like to have one if it's possible. thanks a lot. Jie Shu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin McGregor" To: Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: [TLUG]: PC cases >I am on the Freecycle mailing list (a group that tries > to keep functional stuff out of landfills) and I got > the e-mail below last evening. The lady in question > posted this offer a few weeks ago, and I got two of > the cases in question. They are nice cases, off-white > with dark grey trim, Pentium 4 compatible power > supply, 2 USB ports on the front (no audio jacks on > front :-( ). I can e-mail a picture if anyone is > interested. According to what is printed on the box > 7.2 kg. per box (hauling 2 home that was about all I > could manage on TTC), Regardless, if this is of > interest, speak nicely to the lady noted below. > > > Colin McGregor > > --- mothersafrica wrote: >> To: FreecycleTO-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw at public.gmane.org >> From: "mothersafrica" >> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 00:00:31 -0000 >> Subject: [FreecycleTO] OFFER: Brand new and still in >> boxes Computer Cases >> >> Once again I'm offering the last batch of at least >> 10 brand new >> computer cases (ATX) with it's own power supply >> factory installed. They >> are all in boxes and unopened. These are tower type >> cases with minimum >> 5 bays and ready to go this weekend. Please serious >> enquirers only. >> >> Email us if you're interested. >> >> Keele / Finch > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 18 02:34:14 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:34:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: PC cases In-Reply-To: <001501c7224b$e2523b40$0200a8c0@jie> References: <001501c7224b$e2523b40$0200a8c0@jie> Message-ID: <20061218023415.76812.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Jay Shu wrote: > Hi mothersafrica, > > I heard you have some ATX computer cases to give > away, is there still have > any left? I would like to have one if it's possible. > thanks a lot. > > > Jie Shu You should send your request on to mothersafrica, and her e-mail address is noted below. Colin McGregor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin McGregor" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:02 AM > Subject: [TLUG]: PC cases > > > >I am on the Freecycle mailing list (a group that > tries > > to keep functional stuff out of landfills) and I > got > > the e-mail below last evening. The lady in > question > > posted this offer a few weeks ago, and I got two > of > > the cases in question. They are nice cases, > off-white > > with dark grey trim, Pentium 4 compatible power > > supply, 2 USB ports on the front (no audio jacks > on > > front :-( ). I can e-mail a picture if anyone is > > interested. According to what is printed on the > box > > 7.2 kg. per box (hauling 2 home that was about all > I > > could manage on TTC), Regardless, if this is of > > interest, speak nicely to the lady noted below. > > > > > > Colin McGregor > > > > --- mothersafrica wrote: > >> To: FreecycleTO-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw at public.gmane.org > >> From: "mothersafrica" > >> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 00:00:31 -0000 > >> Subject: [FreecycleTO] OFFER: Brand new and still > in > >> boxes Computer Cases > >> > >> Once again I'm offering the last batch of at > least > >> 10 brand new > >> computer cases (ATX) with it's own power supply > >> factory installed. They > >> are all in boxes and unopened. These are tower > type > >> cases with minimum > >> 5 bays and ready to go this weekend. Please > serious > >> enquirers only. > >> > >> Email us if you're interested. > >> > >> Keele / Finch > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 18 03:30:32 2006 From: shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:30:32 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: <4585B470.2030500-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200612171131.24800.shrike@heinous.org> <4585B470.2030500@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <200612172230.32518.shrike@heinous.org> I don't know the answer. Sorry. You should post this to www.vmware.com/vmtn forums. -Joseph- On Sunday 17 December 2006 16:19, Chris Aitken wrote: > Joseph Kubik wrote: > >On Sunday 17 December 2006 09:04, Chris Aitken wrote: > >>Chris Aitken wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I hope you guys won't mind that I did an OS (FC4) re-install. There > >>>was nothing on this new installation that I couldn't live without so I > >>>thought I'd do an 'Everything' install (I have the room) so that all > >>>libraries, headers, whatever (at least all that come with the four FC4 > >>>CDs) would be on the computer. Well, I guess that solved the header > >>>problem but now I seem to have a new problem. > >> > >>Sorry, I forgot to cut & paste the vmware-config.pl output - I gave you > >>the sizle with no steak: > >> > >>Do you accept? (yes/no) yes > >> > >>Thank you. > >> > >>Trying to find a suitable vmmon module for your running kernel. > >> > >>None of VMware Workstation's pre-built vmmon modules is suitable for your > >>running kernel. Do you want this program to try to build the vmmon > >>module for > >>your system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)? > >>[yes] yes > >> > >>Using compiler "/usr/bin/gcc". Use environment variable CC to override. > >> > >>What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > >>running > >>kernel? [/lib/modules/2.6.11-1.1369_FC4/build/include] > >> > >>Extracting the sources of the vmmon module. > >> > >>Building the vmmon module. > >> > >>Using 2.6.x kernel build system. > >>make: Entering directory `/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only' > >>make -C /lib/modules/2.6.11-1.1369_FC4/build/include/.. SUBDIRS=$PWD > >>SRCROOT=$PWD/. modules > >>make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.11-1.1369_FC4-i686' > >>CC [M] /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.o > >>/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:131: warning: > >>initialization from incompatible pointer type > >>/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:135: warning: > >>initialization from incompatible pointer type > >>CC [M] /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.o > >>In file included from /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.c:61: > >>/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/./include/pgtbl.h: In function > >>?PgtblVa2PTELocked?: > >>/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/./include/pgtbl.h:81: warning: passing > >>argument 1 of ?pmd_offset? from incompatible pointer type > >>/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.c: In function > >>?HostIF_FreeLockedPages?: > >>/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.c:738: error: ?struct page? > >>has no member named ?count? > >>/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.c:740: error: ?struct page? > >>has no member named ?count? > >>make[2]: *** [/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/hostif.o] Error 1 > >>make[1]: *** [_module_/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only] Error 2 > >>make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.11-1.1369_FC4-i686' > >>make: *** [vmmon.ko] Error 2 > >>make: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only' > >>Unable to build the vmmon module. > >> > >>For more information on how to troubleshoot module-related problems, > >> please visit our Web site at > >>"http://www.vmware.com/download/modules/modules.html" and > >>"http://www.vmware.com/support/reference/linux/prebuilt_modules_linux.htm > >>l" . > >> > >>Execution aborted. > >> > >> > >>-- > > > >FC4 Latest Kernel is not one of the Kernels that vmware has a proper > > config for. > >There is a guy (search the vmware forums for the details) who builds a > > patch that makes workstation and server run on *anything*. > > > >Download and untar the following. Then run vmware-config.pl > >http://platan.vc.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/vmware-any-any-update105.tar.gz > > Just untar it? Okay, I downloaded (I think - it was only a coule hundred > KB) and ran tar -xzvf. No difference in the problem. So, assuming there > is something to run as well I tried... > > [root at localhost brian]# vmware-any-any-update105/runme.pl > Updating /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl ... already patched > The file /usr/lib/vmware/modules/source/vmmon.tar that this script was > about to > install already exists. Overwrite? [yes] yes > > Unable to copy the source file ./vmmon.tar to the destination file > /usr/lib/vmware/modules/source/vmmon.tar. > > Execution aborted. > > [root at localhost brian]# > > ? > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 18 05:21:11 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 00:21:11 -0500 Subject: USB Key Compatibility? Message-ID: I've got a USB key I'm trying to troubleshoot for a friend. It's a 4GB unit; seems pretty generic. The desire is to have it "play" with both Windows and Mac systems. I haven't got Windows handy; what I'm finding is that on anything Unix-like (Linux, FreeBSD, MacOS), data seems to spontaneously corrupt upon unmounting. Does this seem consistent with, say, cruddy design? I know there are variations between USB keys vis-a-vis whether they'll boot successfully; is this corruption likely a similar sort of thing? I'd hate to report back "buy less crappy hardware," but I'd rather that than spend a lot of time debugging something that won't work... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 18 16:51:07 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:51:07 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200612171131.24800.shrike@heinous.org> <4585B470.2030500@chrisaitken.net> <200612172230.32518.shrike@heinous.org> Message-ID: Sorry for the double post, but if you know which games your son wants to play, you can test if they will work under Wine, instead of using a Windows VM. For this, I would also recommend switching to Ubuntu, because it seems to me that there's no way to get compiled packages for the latest version of Wine in Fedora (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 18 16:44:26 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:44:26 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: <200612172230.32518.shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200612171131.24800.shrike@heinous.org> <4585B470.2030500@chrisaitken.net> <200612172230.32518.shrike@heinous.org> Message-ID: If you're doing a fresh install, your quickest fix is probably to install a newer OS that VMWare supports. This is probably a good idea anyway if you're trying to introduce your son to Linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 18 14:56:44 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 18 Dec 2006 09:56:44 -0500 Subject: USB Key Compatibility? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Christopher Browne" writes: > I've got a USB key I'm trying to troubleshoot for a friend. It's a > 4GB unit; seems pretty generic. > > The desire is to have it "play" with both Windows and Mac systems. I > haven't got Windows handy; what I'm finding is that on anything > Unix-like (Linux, FreeBSD, MacOS), data seems to spontaneously corrupt > upon unmounting. > > Does this seem consistent with, say, cruddy design? Hard to say. What happens if you write directly to the block device (the whole device or one of its partitions), e.g. using tar? > I know there are variations between USB keys vis-a-vis whether they'll > boot successfully; is this corruption likely a similar sort of thing? > > I'd hate to report back "buy less crappy hardware," but I'd rather > that than spend a lot of time debugging something that won't work... > > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." > (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 18 19:33:49 2006 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:33:49 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200612171131.24800.shrike@heinous.org> <4585B470.2030500@chrisaitken.net> <200612172230.32518.shrike@heinous.org> Message-ID: <4586ED1D.8020704@utoronto.ca> Simon wrote: > Sorry for the double post, but if you know which games your son wants > to play, you can test if they will work under Wine, instead of using a > Windows VM. For this, I would also recommend switching to Ubuntu, > because it seems to me that there's no way to get compiled packages > for the latest version of Wine in Fedora (someone please correct me if > I'm wrong). You are indeed incorrect as wine is now in Fedora Extras and is relatively in sync with the winehq.com releases. Cheers, Marcus -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 18 19:38:44 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:38:44 -0500 Subject: C header files location In-Reply-To: <4586ED1D.8020704-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20061208195626.16984.qmail@mail.vianet.ca> <200612171131.24800.shrike@heinous.org> <4585B470.2030500@chrisaitken.net> <200612172230.32518.shrike@heinous.org> <4586ED1D.8020704@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: How much is relatively? For Ubuntu, it's usually synced within less than a week after the latest version is released, from the wine.budgetdedicated.com repository. Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 18 12:19:19 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 07:19:19 -0500 Subject: USB Key Compatibility? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45868747.80604@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > I've got a USB key I'm trying to troubleshoot for a friend. It's a > 4GB unit; seems pretty generic. > > The desire is to have it "play" with both Windows and Mac systems. I > haven't got Windows handy; what I'm finding is that on anything > Unix-like (Linux, FreeBSD, MacOS), data seems to spontaneously corrupt > upon unmounting. > > Does this seem consistent with, say, cruddy design? I know there are > variations between USB keys vis-a-vis whether they'll boot > successfully; is this corruption likely a similar sort of thing? > > I'd hate to report back "buy less crappy hardware," but I'd rather > that than spend a lot of time debugging something that won't work... > There is some crap out there. A friend has one that fails with Windows. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 18 20:25:18 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:25:18 -0500 Subject: We need VMware packages for Fedora and Debian (was: C header files location) In-Reply-To: <4585AC4D.6030009-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <45818163.7070907@gmail.com> <200612161224.10958.shrike@heinous.org> <4585AC4D.6030009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061218202518.GF8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 03:45:01PM -0500, Jason Spiro wrote: > Debian is a group of numerous volunteer packagers. They don't have a > community steering committee. Did you try discussing the issue you had > on debian-devel? > > Note, though, that Debian is fairly strict about one thing: Packages > must conform to Debian policy, which sets out the quality criteria that > packages must meet, relating to manpages and such things. > > One option is to package for Ubuntu first, then Debian later. But my > advice is just to write to debian-devel and find a new contact to work > with. Two kind and friendly people from IRC #debian I know personally > and can recommend are dondelelcaro and azeem. I can get you their email > addresses if you want. > > Also: Why is there a need to get along with your contact from a few > years ago at Debian? You can just package the software yourself and put > the .debs up on the web, though it's better to get them on > ftp.debian.org if possible (acceptance there is a mark of quality.) Help > with packaging is available on the debian-mentors and ubuntu-devel > mailing lists and IRC channels, which are all very helpful. Opera makes their own packages, and run their own download site for the Debian packages. Works great for them. It is rather easy to make debian packages, with lots of good examples of how to make packages for programs along with packages for kernel modules. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 18 20:30:34 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:30:34 -0500 Subject: USB Key Compatibility? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061218203034.GG8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 12:21:11AM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > I've got a USB key I'm trying to troubleshoot for a friend. It's a > 4GB unit; seems pretty generic. > > The desire is to have it "play" with both Windows and Mac systems. I > haven't got Windows handy; what I'm finding is that on anything > Unix-like (Linux, FreeBSD, MacOS), data seems to spontaneously corrupt > upon unmounting. > > Does this seem consistent with, say, cruddy design? I know there are > variations between USB keys vis-a-vis whether they'll boot > successfully; is this corruption likely a similar sort of thing? > > I'd hate to report back "buy less crappy hardware," but I'd rather > that than spend a lot of time debugging something that won't work... How are you using it? So far I have never had a problem with doing: mount device read/write files umount device Then when umount returns, I unplug it (and never before). My wife uses a 4GB usb key, and so far it was rather trashed by a windows machine, to the point that I had to reformat the filesystem (with mkdosfs -F 32) from linux, because XP couldn't even tolerate the corruption long enough to issue a reformat. After reformating it seems to have worked OK (although she has stayed away from the school lab machine that trashed it in the first place). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 18 20:39:25 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:39:25 -0500 Subject: We need VMware packages for Fedora and Debian (was: C header files location) In-Reply-To: <20061218202518.GF8590-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <45818163.7070907@gmail.com> <200612161224.10958.shrike@heinous.org> <4585AC4D.6030009@gmail.com> <20061218202518.GF8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Feel free to link to some guides - I find debian packages to be more complicated to do than ebuilds, and I'm sure any beginners here wouldn't mind not having to find a resource themselves. Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 19 05:34:06 2006 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:34:06 -0500 Subject: USB Key Compatibility? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061219053406.GA28346@waltdnes.org> On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 12:21:11AM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote > I've got a USB key I'm trying to troubleshoot for a friend. It's a > 4GB unit; seems pretty generic. > > The desire is to have it "play" with both Windows and Mac systems. I > haven't got Windows handy; what I'm finding is that on anything > Unix-like (Linux, FreeBSD, MacOS), data seems to spontaneously corrupt > upon unmounting. The only common filesystem that linux/Mac/Windows can all read *AND WRITE TO* is some version of FAT. FAT16 *USUALLY* has a 2 gig max *PARTITION* size, although some weird implementations can go to 4 gigs. An implementation that only handles 2 gig FAT16 partitions will usually choke when it runs into a larger FAT16 partition. The max filesize limit is always 2 gigs. Check what file system the various machines think they're writing to. FAT32 has a 4 gig max *FILE* size and 2 terabyte max *PARTITION* size. Win2K and onwards has a deliberately-crippled version of fdisk that will only create a max 32 gig FAT32 partition. You can create a a larger FAT32 partition with Win98, or WinME, or Magic Partition, or even linux. Win2K and XP will happily read and write to that larger FAT32 partition, but they will refuse to create one. Just what you'd expect from "our favourite monopolist". -- Walter Dnes In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://techsec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 19 07:02:53 2006 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 02:02:53 -0500 Subject: looking for shared web hosting In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20612101404j34e09509yc833266e39d44ad4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20061202201703.GB6318@sechs.mushy.xyz> <1f13df280612031205o669427f8sf45f8ae2c752e6d@mail.gmail.com> <20061204023058.GD12064@sechs.mushy.xyz> <4386c5b20612101404j34e09509yc833266e39d44ad4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45878E9D.5030300@interlog.com> Aaron Vegh wrote: > Definitely get your domain from another provider; the warnings here are > real. What about those providers who state up front in their FAQ's that you would own any domains registered through them? Would you still use a separate registrar from the hosting service? -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 19 17:16:03 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:16:03 -0500 Subject: [OT]: How anyone can help the Atomic OS project Message-ID: <99a6c38f0612190916r22e12a11o4d0805e030febfea@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, After months of procrastinating, I recently updated the Atomic OS homepage (1st link in my sig). A simple desktop has been added with a basic filesystem explorer (emulated; it is not AOS powered yet) that contains URL's to various web based tools and applications. What I'm looking for are what others in the community consider to be the top web-based tools. I'd like to collect as many as I can and put together a base of really cool apps to "distribute" with the next major release of AOS. If possible, I'd like to avoid apps/tools that "pop out of" or take-over frames. Some of the links currently in the explorer do this (gmail and google spreadsheets notably - requests have gone out to a couple of google groups looking for solutions.) and is rather disruptive to a session. So... Any suggestions? TIA! PS - Comments/criticism about the site/tools would also be most appreciated. -- Scott Elcomb http://atomos.sourceforge.net/ http://search.cpan.org/~selcomb/SAL-3.03/ http://psema4.googlepages.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 19 19:38:43 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:38:43 -0500 Subject: dpkg/apt question Message-ID: <45883FC3.2060704@telly.org> Hi there. I have a small question related -- I think -- to the Ubuntu/Debian packaging system. I'm using Kubuntu Edgy, and doing my updates with its GUI front end called "adept". When I go to update a package, the system: - downloads the file - presents a buglist - asks if I want to install anyway This is for a package that apt said I ought to upgrade. If that's the case, why present the buglist? Why ask if I still want to install? Is there a way to turn it off? Better still, is there a document online that documents all this behavior? - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 19 23:23:17 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:23:17 -0500 Subject: dpkg/apt question In-Reply-To: <45883FC3.2060704-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <45883FC3.2060704@telly.org> Message-ID: There should be some kind of documentation for Adept already on your system - I'm not sure what's in it though, I'm not on Kubuntu. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From brat-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 19 23:23:28 2006 From: brat-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org (Angelina Carlton) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:23:28 -0500 Subject: dpkg/apt question In-Reply-To: <45883FC3.2060704-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> (Evan Leibovitch's message of "Tue\, 19 Dec 2006 14\:38\:43 -0500") References: <45883FC3.2060704@telly.org> Message-ID: <87odpz79n3.fsf@magma.ca> Evan Leibovitch writes: > Hi there. I have a small question related -- I think -- to the > Ubuntu/Debian packaging system. I'm using Kubuntu Edgy, and doing my > updates with its GUI front end called "adept". > > When I go to update a package, the system: > - downloads the file > - presents a buglist > - asks if I want to install anyway > > This is for a package that apt said I ought to upgrade. If that's the > case, why present the buglist? Why ask if I still want to install? Is > there a way to turn it off? > > Better still, is there a document online that documents all this behavior? > > - Evan check and see if apt-listbugs is installed, you can then dpkg-reconfigure it, or remove it entirely. -- -----Angelina Carlton----- orchid on irc.freenode.net brat-J4oS66wZXds at public.gmane.org http://bzgirl.org -------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 20 00:10:09 2006 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:10:09 -0500 Subject: dpkg/apt question Message-ID: <45887F61.7030609@rogers.com> FWIW, when I was using Kubuntu, I found Adept to be a bit kludgy. So I used Adept to install Synaptic and then never used Adept again. They both do the same thing, but Synaptic has the better interface (imo). John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 20 05:46:29 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:46:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: GNU Assembler (gas) on x86_64 In-Reply-To: <200612170653.35170.marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200612170653.35170.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: | From: Marc Lijour | I try to follow Richard Blum "Assembly Language" book (Wrox) which focuses on | Linux and GNU gas -which is a very good thing. | | However, my platform is x86_64, not i686. I could tweak the code a little bit | to avoid segfault by using information gathered at Why code for x86_64 if you don't have the manual? At least some x86_64 linux distros (eg. Fedora) let you compile and run i386 code. | http://www.x86-64.org/documentation/assembly . Now the code looks like this: | | # Using printf from libc | .section .data | output: | .asciz "The processor Vendor ID is '%s'\n" | | .section .bss | .lcomm buffer, 12 | .section .text | .globl _start | _start: | nop | movq $0, %rax | cpuid | movq $buffer, %rdi | movq %rbx, (%rdi) | movq %rdx, 4 (%rdi) | movq %rcx, 8 (%rdi) | pushq $buffer | pushq $output | call printf | addq $8, %rsp | pushq $0 | call exit | | The unmodified example from the book gives this result on Intel i686: | $ ./cpuid2_i686 | The processor Vendor ID is 'GenuineIntel' | | But the code above gives me this on my AMD64: | $ ./cpuid2_x86_64 | AuthenticAMD | | (followed by no newline) | | Question: why is the string (label output) not used by printf?? I expect that you need to pay attention to the ABI (Application Binary Interface). This spells out coding conventions for subroutine calls, among other things. Google got me to http://www.x86-64.org/documentation/abi.pdf Section 3.2 talks about the function calling sequence. Section 3.2.3 talks about parameter passing. The first pointer arg should be passed in %rdi. The second should be passed in %rsi. Don't forget to terminate C strings with '\0'. You can also find a manuals for the x86_64. I used this one: http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/24594.pdf I discovered (on page 365) that CPUID operates on 32-bit operands even when the CPU is in 64-bit mode. Page 102 explains CPUID without making this explicit. Here's my guess at what your code should look like (UNTESTED). Warning: I've never written a line of x86_64 code in my life. The last Intel processor that I did much assembly for was the i8080. .section .data output: .asciz "The processor Vendor ID is '%s'\n" .section .bss # polite to align the buffer since it is accessed as 4-byte units. .align 4 # note: length needs to be 13 (room for '\0') .lcomm buffer, 13 .section .text .globl _start _start: # CPUID argument is only 32 bits. movl $0, %eax cpuid movq $buffer, %rsi # CPUID results are only 32-bit units movl %ebx, (%rsi) movl %edx, 4 (%rsi) movl %ecx, 8 (%rsi) # terminate the string movb $0, 12(%rsi) # printf second arg in %rdi movq $output, %rdi call printf # exit(0) movq $0, %rdi call exit Useful trick: write something in C and see what gcc comes up with (-S flag causes it to compile to assembly code). Problem: it seems to write bad assembler that gas apparently corrects. I see movl used for 64-bit moves, for example. A mystery that I won't try to unravel. Here's my sample C code: #include int main() { printf("format %s\n", "arg"); return 0; } -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 20 06:59:11 2006 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 01:59:11 -0500 Subject: GNU Assembler (gas) on x86_64 In-Reply-To: References: <200612170653.35170.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: <200612200159.11345.marc@lijour.net> Thank you for this big bag of explanations and tricks! As it sounds I am a total newbie in assembly language. I appreciate your pointers. Your code worked perfectly right out of the box. Marc On Wednesday 20 December 2006 00:46, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Marc Lijour > | > | I try to follow Richard Blum "Assembly Language" book (Wrox) which > | focuses on Linux and GNU gas -which is a very good thing. > | > | However, my platform is x86_64, not i686. I could tweak the code a little > | bit to avoid segfault by using information gathered at > > Why code for x86_64 if you don't have the manual? At least some > x86_64 linux distros (eg. Fedora) let you compile and run i386 code. > > | http://www.x86-64.org/documentation/assembly . Now the code looks like > | this: > | > | # Using printf from libc > | .section .data > | output: > | .asciz "The processor Vendor ID is '%s'\n" > | > | .section .bss > | .lcomm buffer, 12 > | .section .text > | .globl _start > | _start: > | nop > | movq $0, %rax > | cpuid > | movq $buffer, %rdi > | movq %rbx, (%rdi) > | movq %rdx, 4 (%rdi) > | movq %rcx, 8 (%rdi) > | pushq $buffer > | pushq $output > | call printf > | addq $8, %rsp > | pushq $0 > | call exit > | > | The unmodified example from the book gives this result on Intel i686: > | $ ./cpuid2_i686 > | The processor Vendor ID is 'GenuineIntel' > | > | But the code above gives me this on my AMD64: > | $ ./cpuid2_x86_64 > | AuthenticAMD > | > | (followed by no newline) > | > | Question: why is the string (label output) not used by printf?? > > I expect that you need to pay attention to the ABI (Application Binary > Interface). This spells out coding conventions for subroutine calls, > among other things. > > Google got me to http://www.x86-64.org/documentation/abi.pdf > > Section 3.2 talks about the function calling sequence. > > Section 3.2.3 talks about parameter passing. > > The first pointer arg should be passed in %rdi. The second should be > passed in %rsi. > > Don't forget to terminate C strings with '\0'. > > You can also find a manuals for the x86_64. I used this one: > > http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/245 >94.pdf I discovered (on page 365) that CPUID operates on 32-bit operands > even when the CPU is in 64-bit mode. Page 102 explains CPUID without > making this explicit. > > Here's my guess at what your code should look like (UNTESTED). > Warning: I've never written a line of x86_64 code in my life. The > last Intel processor that I did much assembly for was the i8080. > > .section .data > output: > .asciz "The processor Vendor ID is '%s'\n" > > .section .bss > # polite to align the buffer since it is accessed as 4-byte units. > .align 4 > # note: length needs to be 13 (room for '\0') > .lcomm buffer, 13 > .section .text > .globl _start > _start: > # CPUID argument is only 32 bits. > movl $0, %eax > cpuid > movq $buffer, %rsi > # CPUID results are only 32-bit units > movl %ebx, (%rsi) > movl %edx, 4 (%rsi) > movl %ecx, 8 (%rsi) > # terminate the string > movb $0, 12(%rsi) > # printf second arg in %rdi > movq $output, %rdi > call printf > > # exit(0) > movq $0, %rdi > call exit > > Useful trick: write something in C and see what gcc comes up with (-S > flag causes it to compile to assembly code). > > Problem: it seems to write bad assembler that gas apparently corrects. > I see movl used for 64-bit moves, for example. A mystery that I won't > try to unravel. > > Here's my sample C code: > #include > > int > main() > { > printf("format %s\n", "arg"); > return 0; > } > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 20 12:21:18 2006 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 07:21:18 -0500 Subject: Hooked On Composite, Need New GPU Message-ID: <20061220072118.757c60d5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Ways back, I believe it was Jamon, who had a GF...something that I missed snagging. I think someone (Lennart? Musta been, he knows everything ;-)) mentioned what I should be looking at for price/performance was a GF 6200? It would obviously need to have 256MB or vram, and my aim is to be able to play Quake 4 and Doom 3 (I can play that on my current GF4 Ti, but at 640x480 with half the effects turned off). Any suggestions as to a good source/store (I'd like, if possible, to avoid Best Buy and that), esp if it's in the West end? Or anyone else got one they wanna offload? Thanks! -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Fry: Nowadays people aren't interested in art that's not tattooed on fat guys. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 20 15:52:19 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:52:19 -0500 Subject: Hooked On Composite, Need New GPU In-Reply-To: <20061220072118.757c60d5-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20061220072118.757c60d5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: JoeHill wrote: > Ways back, I believe it was Jamon, who had a GF...something that I missed > snagging. > > I think someone (Lennart? Musta been, he knows everything ;-)) mentioned what I > should be looking at for price/performance was a GF 6200? It would obviously > need to have 256MB or vram, and my aim is to be able to play Quake 4 and Doom 3 > (I can play that on my current GF4 Ti, but at 640x480 with half the effects > turned off). > > Any suggestions as to a good source/store (I'd like, if possible, to avoid Best > Buy and that), esp if it's in the West end? Or anyone else got one they wanna > offload? 6800XT AGP 8X card, 256MB for $149 at Canada Computers in Mississauga, they have 1 in stock apparently, you'll want to call. That West End enough for you? http://tinyurl.com/yb5kgf Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 20 16:02:28 2006 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:02:28 -0500 Subject: Hooked On Composite, Need New GPU In-Reply-To: References: <20061220072118.757c60d5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20061220110228.7aa36dad@node1.freeyourmachine.org> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:52:19 -0500 Jamon Camisso got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > 6800XT AGP 8X card, 256MB for $149 at Canada Computers in Mississauga, > they have 1 in stock apparently, you'll want to call. That West End > enough for you? Close enough! It'll keep me from driving downtown, which pretty much = insanity. I really hate living in the 'burbs. > http://tinyurl.com/yb5kgf Thanks! Now if they can just hang onto it til tonight... -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Leela: I love his boyish charm, but I hate his childishness. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 20 16:19:11 2006 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:19:11 -0500 Subject: Hooked On Composite, Need New GPU In-Reply-To: <20061220110228.7aa36dad-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20061220072118.757c60d5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220110228.7aa36dad@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20061220111911.1629e7d9@node1.freeyourmachine.org> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:02:28 -0500 JoeHill got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:52:19 -0500 > Jamon Camisso got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > > > 6800XT AGP 8X card, 256MB for $149 at Canada Computers in Mississauga, > > they have 1 in stock apparently, you'll want to call. That West End > > enough for you? > > Close enough! It'll keep me from driving downtown, which pretty much = > insanity. I really hate living in the 'burbs. > > > http://tinyurl.com/yb5kgf > > Thanks! Now if they can just hang onto it til tonight... ...actually, *really* thanks! That's one store I had not seen before, so I went browsing, and for $30 more, this MONSTER: http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=011030&cid=999.821 (sorry, tinyurl seems to be having probs) Whoa. I might not have to upgrade for like a whole...six months? LOL! Cheers matey! -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Lucy Liu: That was incredible, Bender. You're like Jackie Chan before he got all doughy. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 20 17:41:55 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:41:55 -0500 Subject: dpkg/apt question In-Reply-To: <45883FC3.2060704-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <45883FC3.2060704@telly.org> Message-ID: <20061220174155.GH8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 02:38:43PM -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Hi there. I have a small question related -- I think -- to the > Ubuntu/Debian packaging system. I'm using Kubuntu Edgy, and doing my > updates with its GUI front end called "adept". > > When I go to update a package, the system: > - downloads the file > - presents a buglist > - asks if I want to install anyway > > This is for a package that apt said I ought to upgrade. If that's the > case, why present the buglist? Why ask if I still want to install? Is > there a way to turn it off? > > Better still, is there a document online that documents all this behavior? apt-listbugs is a package that checks the bug track system. Some people install it so they can check the bug reports on the packages they are installing before installing. You can simply remove the package if you don't want apt to check bug reports before installing. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 20 18:01:30 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:01:30 -0500 Subject: Hooked On Composite, Need New GPU In-Reply-To: <20061220072118.757c60d5-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20061220072118.757c60d5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20061220180130.GI8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 07:21:18AM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > Ways back, I believe it was Jamon, who had a GF...something that I missed > snagging. > > I think someone (Lennart? Musta been, he knows everything ;-)) mentioned what I > should be looking at for price/performance was a GF 6200? It would obviously > need to have 256MB or vram, and my aim is to be able to play Quake 4 and Doom 3 > (I can play that on my current GF4 Ti, but at 640x480 with half the effects > turned off). I just got a 7600GT (slightly overclocked from the maker) made by XFX for the machine I built for my sister last weekend. Rather nice performance, and should work fine under linux too (although my sister runs XP). Of course this assumes you use PCIe and not AGP. When comparing GPUs there are a number of things that matter: Memory quantity: For some programs having lots of memory helps it do better quality or sometimes better performance. It is probably the least important for performance in general though. Memory buswidth: Some cards are 64bit, some 128bit, some 256bit, and on 8800 cards, they have 320 or 384bit. Wider bus means more data per clock transfered. Two cards with the same memory clock with one using 128bit and the other 256 bit, well the memory speed of the 256bit is twice as high. Many budget cards used to use a 64bit version of a chip that was normally 128bit to cut costs, and of course seriously impacted performance too. Memory clock: Faster memory clock means more transfers per second which means more textures can be read, more pixels generated, etc. Memory speed is important. GPU clock: The higher the clock rate the more operations the GPU can get done. Pipelines: The more pixel pipelines you have, and the more textures can be applied per pass by a pipeline, the more pixels can be generated per clock. A card with 12 pixel pipelines will run much faster than one with 8 pipelines, if they run at the same clock rate. The pipeline count is usually one of the major differences between GPUs in the same family. Quite often lower end models are higher end models with defective pipelines that were disabled at the factory. Not always but often. On some older cards you were sometimes able to reenable some of the disabled pipelines, if you for some reason thought your card might have a good chip that was just downgraded to produce a cheaper model chip. So basicly: Memory bandwidth = memory clock * memory buswidth Pixel bandwidth = gpu clock * pixel pipelines It is over simplified since some newer chips have more efficient pipelines, and some can do antialiasing with almost no performance hit while older ones had major performance hits, etc. I tend to go to this page to compare nvidia GPUs (since I don't buy any other kind): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_NVIDIA_Graphics_Processing_Units So for example it shows that a GF6200 has a fill rate of 1200MT/s (1200 million textured pixels per second) and a memory bandwidth of either 3.2 or 6.4 GB/s (depending on whether it is a 64 or 128bit memory bus version of the chip. Good luck finding that in the specs on the box, although it is rather important to know). A 7300GT (the GS uses turbocache aka it uses some system ram to help its pathetic amount onboard) on the other hand has a fill rate of 2800MT/s and a memory bandwidth of 10.67GB/s. It would be a lot faster than a 6200, and probably not that different in price. A 7600GT gets to 6720MT/s and a memory speed of 22.4GB/s on a normally clocked card. The XFX card I picked up (for about $20 more than a normally clocked card which was VGA/DVI rather than the dual DVI I wanted) runs at 7080MT/s and a memory speed of 25.6GB/s. Using the MT/s and GB/s as a rought guide to speed of different models is pretty good, although not a perfect measure. > Any suggestions as to a good source/store (I'd like, if possible, to avoid Best > Buy and that), esp if it's in the West end? Or anyone else got one they wanna > offload? www.canadacomputers.com (lots of locations in the GTA and hard to beat prices. Even www.logiccomputerhouse.com can't match their prices anymore.) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 20 18:05:57 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:05:57 -0500 Subject: Hooked On Composite, Need New GPU In-Reply-To: <20061220111911.1629e7d9-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20061220072118.757c60d5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220110228.7aa36dad@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220111911.1629e7d9@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20061220180556.GJ8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 11:19:11AM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > ...actually, *really* thanks! That's one store I had not seen before, so I went > browsing, and for $30 more, this MONSTER: > > http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=011030&cid=999.821 > > (sorry, tinyurl seems to be having probs) > > Whoa. I might not have to upgrade for like a whole...six months? LOL! Well the 6800XT has almost twice the memory bandwidth, while the 7600GS has about twice the pixel processing speed. The 7600 is also a newer generation. Probably the better choice over all. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 20 18:24:41 2006 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:24:41 -0500 Subject: Hooked On Composite, Need New GPU In-Reply-To: <20061220180556.GJ8590-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20061220072118.757c60d5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220110228.7aa36dad@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220111911.1629e7d9@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220180556.GJ8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20061220132441.7cc8d713@node1.freeyourmachine.org> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:05:57 -0500 Lennart Sorensen got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > > ...actually, *really* thanks! That's one store I had not seen before, so I > > went browsing, and for $30 more, this MONSTER: > > > > http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=011030&cid=999.821 > > > > (sorry, tinyurl seems to be having probs) > > > > Whoa. I might not have to upgrade for like a whole...six months? LOL! > > Well the 6800XT has almost twice the memory bandwidth, while the 7600GS > has about twice the pixel processing speed. The 7600 is also a newer > generation. Probably the better choice over all. Well, I must say, your first note scared the bejeezus out of me, because, like the impulsive person I am, I already ordered the 7600! ...but, my heart rate has gone down now, thanks :-) One thing: (well, two): how important is the 'dual core' bit? Does that enable, like the name seems to imply, parallel processing of some kind? ...and: The RAMDAC in general, which is somewhat faster (and 'dual core', if that matters). I did some Googling before I ordered, and I got the impression that the speed and, for lack of better term, size, was a big boost. No? Thanks for the info!...but jeez, at first I thought 'Oh crap, I fell for the 'BFG' thing like a total sucker'. Well, I kinda did, but... -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Professor: Some say I'm robbing the cradle but I say she's robbing the grave. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 20 20:19:38 2006 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:19:38 -0500 Subject: Hooked On Composite, Need New GPU In-Reply-To: <20061220132441.7cc8d713-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20061220072118.757c60d5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220110228.7aa36dad@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220111911.1629e7d9@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220180556.GJ8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20061220132441.7cc8d713@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <1166645978.4908.431.camel@stan64.site> wasn't much choice for me, i needed dual dual-link dvi ability an that starts at 7900 series, i only an using two 22" inches now but i didnt want to limit myself in the future from potentially using two 30" monitors, hence the 7900 had to be the choice. compiz spins sreens as fast as i can move the mouse, and thats over a 3200x1200 desktop (dual headed) i was hoping to get two samsung 30" 2560x1600 puppies that were supposed to be out a month ago, but no sign yet, and for that i need the 7900 card with dual dual link, and have them rotated to be in portrait mode and have a 3200x2560 desk top. since monitor set ups that use dual dual-link dvi might not be to uncommon with prices for monitors constantly dropping, you might want to consider the 7900 (or above) to not lock yourself in. -tl On Wed, 2006-12-20 at 13:24 -0500, JoeHill wrote: > On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:05:57 -0500 > Lennart Sorensen got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > > > > ...actually, *really* thanks! That's one store I had not seen before, so I > > > went browsing, and for $30 more, this MONSTER: > > > > > > http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=011030&cid=999.821 > > > > > > (sorry, tinyurl seems to be having probs) > > > > > > Whoa. I might not have to upgrade for like a whole...six months? LOL! > > > > Well the 6800XT has almost twice the memory bandwidth, while the 7600GS > > has about twice the pixel processing speed. The 7600 is also a newer > > generation. Probably the better choice over all. > > Well, I must say, your first note scared the bejeezus out of me, because, like > the impulsive person I am, I already ordered the 7600! > > ...but, my heart rate has gone down now, thanks :-) > > One thing: (well, two): how important is the 'dual core' bit? Does that enable, > like the name seems to imply, parallel processing of some kind? > > ...and: > > The RAMDAC in general, which is somewhat faster (and 'dual core', if that > matters). I did some Googling before I ordered, and I got the impression that > the speed and, for lack of better term, size, was a big boost. No? > > Thanks for the info!...but jeez, at first I thought 'Oh crap, I fell for the > 'BFG' thing like a total sucker'. > > Well, I kinda did, but... > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 20 20:43:27 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:43:27 -0500 Subject: Hooked On Composite, Need New GPU In-Reply-To: <20061220132441.7cc8d713-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20061220072118.757c60d5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220110228.7aa36dad@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220111911.1629e7d9@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220180556.GJ8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20061220132441.7cc8d713@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <20061220204327.GA5223@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 01:24:41PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > Well, I must say, your first note scared the bejeezus out of me, because, like > the impulsive person I am, I already ordered the 7600! > > ...but, my heart rate has gone down now, thanks :-) Actually some 6800XTs don't have the high memory bandwidth. They make both 128bit 1000MHz and 256bit 700MHz apparently. It looks like the specs for that particular card makes it one of the faster ones. Still memory bandwidth isn't useful if you don't have processing power to generate pixels. The 7 series also do anti aliasing much faster, as well as shader model 3 (not sure that applies to opengl drivers or not). I think the 6 series was limited to SM2. > One thing: (well, two): how important is the 'dual core' bit? Does that enable, > like the name seems to imply, parallel processing of some kind? Well dual core means you have two processors. So a Core 2 Duo 6400 is a pair of 2.13GHz processors in one chip. So you can have two programs each running on one core at full speed (well they have to share memory bandwidth of course). A single program that doesn't use threads won't get any benefit from having 2 cores though, other than the small gain the kernel running on the other core might bring or perhaps the X server running on the other core. I don't think I would ever buy a machine that wasn't at least dual core anymore. > ...and: > > The RAMDAC in general, which is somewhat faster (and 'dual core', if that > matters). I did some Googling before I ordered, and I got the impression that > the speed and, for lack of better term, size, was a big boost. No? The RAMDAC (RAM Digital to Analog Converter) is what converts the data in videoram into the analog signal going to the display (in the case of an analog display that is). Almost everything today has 350 to 400MHz RAMDACs which handle 2048x1536 at 85HZ which ought to be plenty. LCD displays using DVI-D connections use the TDMS transmitter rather than the RAMDAC so it doesn't actually matter that much anymore. Some new cards have duallink TDMS transmitters (which can run up to 2560x1600 LCD screens at 60Hz) while most cards, especially older ones are limited to single link which allows up to 1920x1200 at 60Hz (if they skip the blanking interval) or 1600x1200 at 60Hz (using standard timing). Given CRTs seem to be going away, the single link DVI vs. dual link DVI is probably much more important than the ramdac speed. > Thanks for the info!...but jeez, at first I thought 'Oh crap, I fell for the > 'BFG' thing like a total sucker'. > > Well, I kinda did, but... It's a tradeoff. Making a card with a 256bit memory bus is expensive. So many traces on the board. The 7600GS chip is much faster than the 6800XT chip, but the 6800XT has a 256bit memory interface making for a more expensive board design, even though the chip itself is probably cheaper. By the way, the 6800XT does not have any dual link DVI. The 7600 usually has one dual link and one single link, or sometimes one dual link and one analog VGA. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 20 20:45:01 2006 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:45:01 -0500 Subject: Hooked On Composite, Need New GPU In-Reply-To: <1166645978.4908.431.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <20061220072118.757c60d5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220110228.7aa36dad@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220111911.1629e7d9@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220180556.GJ8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20061220132441.7cc8d713@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <1166645978.4908.431.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <20061220204501.GB5223@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 03:19:38PM -0500, ted leslie wrote: > wasn't much choice for me, > i needed dual dual-link dvi ability an that starts at 7900 series, > i only an using two 22" inches now but i didnt want to limit myself in > the future from > potentially using two 30" monitors, hence the 7900 had to be the choice. > compiz spins sreens as fast as i can move the mouse, and thats over a > 3200x1200 desktop (dual headed) Yeah if you need two dual links then you need the 7900. The 7600 can do one. > i was hoping to get two samsung 30" 2560x1600 puppies that were supposed > to be out a month ago, but no sign yet, and for that i need the 7900 > card > with dual dual link, and have them rotated to be in portrait mode and > have a 3200x2560 desk top. Is the samsung's supposed to be better than the dell's? Can you actually rotate those things? > since monitor set ups that use dual dual-link dvi might not be to > uncommon with prices for monitors constantly dropping, you might want to > consider the 7900 (or above) to not lock yourself in. As long as you think one 30" monster is enough, a 7600 will do the trick. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 20 20:48:55 2006 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:48:55 -0500 Subject: Hooked On Composite, Need New GPU In-Reply-To: <1166645978.4908.431.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <20061220072118.757c60d5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220110228.7aa36dad@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220111911.1629e7d9@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220180556.GJ8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20061220132441.7cc8d713@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <1166645978.4908.431.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: <20061220154855.0f2339d5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:19:38 -0500 ted leslie got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > wasn't much choice for me, > i needed dual dual-link dvi ability an that starts at 7900 series, > i only an using two 22" inches now but i didnt want to limit myself in > the future from > potentially using two 30" monitors, hence the 7900 had to be the choice. > compiz spins sreens as fast as i can move the mouse, and thats over a > 3200x1200 desktop (dual headed) Whoa. I shouldn't be to worried about performance, then. > i was hoping to get two samsung 30" 2560x1600 puppies that were supposed > to be out a month ago, but no sign yet, and for that i need the 7900 > card with dual dual link, and have them rotated to be in portrait mode and > have a 3200x2560 desk top. Cripes, what kind of work are you doing on this setup? I'm pretty happy with my (now seemingly kinda dinky) 19" FP and 1280x1024. Even then I don't think I run enough apps to take up the other 5 desktops ;-) > since monitor set ups that use dual dual-link dvi might not be to > uncommon with prices for monitors constantly dropping, you might want to > consider the 7900 (or above) to not lock yourself in. I'm not sure dual displays are in my near future, but yeah, I don't wanna have to buy another new card in six months, eh? -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Don't take this the wrong way, Fry, but you don't seem like the educated type." -Leela -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 20 22:01:31 2006 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:01:31 -0500 Subject: Hooked On Composite, Need New GPU In-Reply-To: <20061220154855.0f2339d5-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20061220072118.757c60d5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220110228.7aa36dad@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220111911.1629e7d9@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220180556.GJ8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20061220132441.7cc8d713@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <1166645978.4908.431.camel@stan64.site> <20061220154855.0f2339d5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <1166652091.4908.460.camel@stan64.site> On Wed, 2006-12-20 at 15:48 -0500, JoeHill wrote: > On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:19:38 -0500 > ted leslie got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > > > wasn't much choice for me, > > i needed dual dual-link dvi ability an that starts at 7900 series, > > i only an using two 22" inches now but i didnt want to limit myself in > > the future from > > potentially using two 30" monitors, hence the 7900 had to be the choice. > > compiz spins sreens as fast as i can move the mouse, and thats over a > > 3200x1200 desktop (dual headed) > > Whoa. I shouldn't be to worried about performance, then. > > > i was hoping to get two samsung 30" 2560x1600 puppies that were supposed > > to be out a month ago, but no sign yet, and for that i need the 7900 > > card with dual dual link, and have them rotated to be in portrait mode and > > have a 3200x2560 desk top. > > Cripes, what kind of work are you doing on this setup? I'm pretty happy with > my (now seemingly kinda dinky) 19" FP and 1280x1024. Even then I don't > think I run enough apps to take up the other 5 desktops ;-) Programming, i like to have everything up and infront of me, plus i figured, if i save 6 hours of time in a year, over 4 years (life of monitors), that pay for the extra right there, and the rest is profit, and i very much believe i save 6 hours a year with all the screen space and less windows shuffling. Nice thing about 30" monitors too, if when the get replaced by a better 30" 4-5 years from now, the old 30" makes a heck of a nice HD TV set monitor, so its hold part of it value anyways. Tomorrow i am swapping out my dual cpus (two 2.2Ghz) on my tyan mobo, for dual core 285's i.e. 4 x 2.6 Ghz cpu, (total of 10.4 GHZ of power, cripes i am breaking the 10 GHZ barrier at home! :) ) now if i can only get linux, and its apps to make use of them, sure i can "make -j 4" now, but i will still be mpeg encoding/decoding,etc,etc,etc through one of my four 2.6Ghz cpu's, while the other 3 sit thumb twiddling. Man i am hoping for apps to become more micro threaded and concurrent soon, otherwise it is a bit of a waste of money. > > > since monitor set ups that use dual dual-link dvi might not be to > > uncommon with prices for monitors constantly dropping, you might want to > > consider the 7900 (or above) to not lock yourself in. > > I'm not sure dual displays are in my near future, but yeah, I don't wanna have > to buy another new card in six months, eh? > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 20 22:37:08 2006 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:37:08 -0500 Subject: Hooked On Composite, Need New GPU In-Reply-To: <20061220204501.GB5223-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20061220072118.757c60d5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220110228.7aa36dad@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220111911.1629e7d9@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220180556.GJ8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20061220132441.7cc8d713@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <1166645978.4908.431.camel@stan64.site> <20061220204501.GB5223@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1166654228.4908.483.camel@stan64.site> On Wed, 2006-12-20 at 15:45 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 03:19:38PM -0500, ted leslie wrote: > > wasn't much choice for me, > > i needed dual dual-link dvi ability an that starts at 7900 series, > > i only an using two 22" inches now but i didnt want to limit myself in > > the future from > > potentially using two 30" monitors, hence the 7900 had to be the choice. > > compiz spins sreens as fast as i can move the mouse, and thats over a > > 3200x1200 desktop (dual headed) > > Yeah if you need two dual links then you need the 7900. The 7600 can do > one. > > > i was hoping to get two samsung 30" 2560x1600 puppies that were supposed > > to be out a month ago, but no sign yet, and for that i need the 7900 > > card > > with dual dual link, and have them rotated to be in portrait mode and > > have a 3200x2560 desk top. > > Is the samsung's supposed to be better than the dell's? Can you > actually rotate those things? My 22" samsung rotates just fine, they said the 30" would also, but that remains to be seen. i dont rotate them now because my xorg.conf when config as one video card, with rotate on, rotates it in such a way the monuitors would have to be vertical in order to work, i have to figure out how to do a xorg.conf with the one card being treated as two , and do a rotate and then it will work, i hope. the samsung is nice, but i have never seen it side by side with dell or apples product, i bought the dell because it has the high contract ratio and brightness that the dell and apple don't. The samsung has the slight capacitance traces on it, but i think thats actaully a driver issue, as i dont see it when i see samsung's on windows boxes, aside from the whites being a slight bit dirty (or maybe the better word would be matte finish verses gloss from a crt) the samsung and my FE1250 NEC 22" crt are almost identical, but the samsung is easier on the eyes and i got to figure its bombarding me with a lot less radiation. my one worry with flat panels ... i.e. dead pixels has not yet produced a single dead one in one year, so thats good to. i hear some manufact. have in their warentee that up to 6 dead pixels a year is allowed, which scares the hell out of me. i have only meet one person that says they have a dead pixel on a flat panel, so i wonder just how common it really can be? -tl > > > since monitor set ups that use dual dual-link dvi might not be to > > uncommon with prices for monitors constantly dropping, you might want to > > consider the 7900 (or above) to not lock yourself in. > > As long as you think one 30" monster is enough, a 7600 will do the > trick. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 21 00:15:56 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 20 Dec 2006 19:15:56 -0500 Subject: Hooked On Composite, Need New GPU In-Reply-To: <1166654228.4908.483.camel-Wos4hdNTH4j6K7/ahGyk6A@public.gmane.org> References: <20061220072118.757c60d5@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220110228.7aa36dad@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220111911.1629e7d9@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <20061220180556.GJ8590@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20061220132441.7cc8d713@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <1166645978.4908.431.camel@stan64.site> <20061220204501.GB5223@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1166654228.4908.483.camel@stan64.site> Message-ID: ted leslie writes: > i have only meet one person that says they have a dead pixel on a flat > panel, so i wonder just how common it really can be? I have a dead row (or about 80% of it) on a 17" Samsung that's about 2.5 years old. It's not much more noticeable than the stabilization wires on the Trinitron CRTs so I haven't rushed off to replace it under warranty. I've seen dead pixels on several notebooks over the last few years. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 21 11:46:45 2006 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 06:46:45 -0500 Subject: [OT]: How anyone can help the Atomic OS project In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0612190916r22e12a11o4d0805e030febfea-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0612190916r22e12a11o4d0805e030febfea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0612210346i1739340alb4c6753cdacc3a20@mail.gmail.com> On 12/19/06, Scott Elcomb wrote: [...] > What I'm looking for are what others in the community consider to be > the top web-based tools. I'd like to collect as many as I can and put > together a base of really cool apps to "distribute" with the next > major release of AOS. Ok, well I've added a bunch of links in the file explorer on the AOS desktop. One link might be of particular interest to music afficiandos. =) http://www.pandora.com/ You don't even need to register for the service - a very well put together web app, even if it is flash. :P -- Scott Elcomb http://atomos.sourceforge.net/ http://search.cpan.org/~selcomb/SAL-3.03/ http://psema4.googlepages.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin '"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 21 14:56:38 2006 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:56:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OT]: How anyone can help the Atomic OS project In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0612210346i1739340alb4c6753cdacc3a20-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0612190916r22e12a11o4d0805e030febfea@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f0612210346i1739340alb4c6753cdacc3a20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On 12/19/06, Scott Elcomb wrote: > [...] >> What I'm looking for are what others in the community consider to be >> the top web-based tools. I'd like to collect as many as I can and put >> together a base of really cool apps to "distribute" with the next >> major release of AOS. > > Ok, well I've added a bunch of links in the file explorer on the AOS > desktop. One link might be of particular interest to music > afficiandos. =) > > http://www.pandora.com/ > > You don't even need to register for the service - a very well put > together web app, even if it is flash. :P I am skeptical of web apps in general, and flash in particular. This reinforces my feelings: A script in this movie is causing Macromedia Flash Player 7 to run slowly. If it continues to run, your computer may become unresponsive. Do you want to abort the script. -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 21 15:06:44 2006 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:06:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OT]: How anyone can help the Atomic OS project In-Reply-To: References: <99a6c38f0612190916r22e12a11o4d0805e030febfea@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f0612210346i1739340alb4c6753cdacc3a20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Scott Elcomb wrote: > >> On 12/19/06, Scott Elcomb wrote: >> [...] >> > What I'm looking for are what others in the community consider to be >> > the top web-based tools. I'd like to collect as many as I can and put >> > together a base of really cool apps to "distribute" with the next >> > major release of AOS. >> >> Ok, well I've added a bunch of links in the file explorer on the AOS >> desktop. One link might be of particular interest to music >> afficiandos. =) >> >> http://www.pandora.com/ >> >> You don't even need to register for the service - a very well put >> together web app, even if it is flash. :P > > I am skeptical of web apps in general, and flash in particular. > This reinforces my feelings: > > A script in this movie is causing Macromedia Flash Player 7 > to run slowly. If it continues to run, your computer may > become unresponsive. Do you want to abort the script. Not to mention this abomination: We think your pop-up blocker is keeping us from opening a window to show you more of the Pandora website. (it's not an ad, promise!) I don't care whether it is an ad or not; a website has no business opening windows on my computer. Period. Full stop. -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 21 15:12:39 2006 From: interluglists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Interlug Lists) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:12:39 -0500 Subject: future presentation topics Message-ID: <408ae1640612210712x10cd90f4x10ca59c3c0b559d3@mail.gmail.com> A number of KWLUG members have recently attempted to contact the meeting organizers of TLUG and NewTLUG, but had no response. So, to the list we go. Perhaps Those Who Schedule will see this here if our previous emails have ended up in the spam bin. Other area LUGs should feel free to contact us as well. We have a collection of presentation topics that might be of interest to *TLUG audiences. With the time invested in creating, rehearsing and delivering the presentations, it makes sense to offer these topics to other LUGs in the area. It's only fair. We've had presentations from folks who are regulars at other LUGs. A partial list of presentation topics: Asterisk for the SOHO. http://kwlug.org/node/396 Photomanipulation in the GIMP http://kwlug.org/node/385 Hardware hacks for wireless routers. http://kwlug.org/node/59 Wiki + GPS + GPL = OSM, Introduction to OpenStreetMap http://kwlug.org/node/437 Lots of others in the catalog as well. Happy New Year -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The toolbar across the bottom reminded me of what I've been on the Mac's at a local store. Once the person started interating with it, it all started to look rather sick. I don't mean sick as in good but as in nauseating. The web page says "Above all else, the project seeks to listen to and respond to the requests of the user base." so I want to know who is the user base? Mostly kids who are spend most of their time playing games? I'd like to know how one gets the Beryl desktop so I can be sure to stay far away from it. I can think of better ways to make use of CPU/GPU processing abilities. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 21 17:09:17 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:09:17 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. In-Reply-To: <458ABB51.7050403-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612081927q3d2f5faaxd822632027927816@mail.gmail.com> <458ABB51.7050403@interlog.com> Message-ID: In Compiz/Beryl's defense, that Mac-ish bouncy icon bar is a separate project, and you can turn off any other effects you find nauseating, there's a modular plugin system with plenty of options. I've only ever used compiz, and it was about 6 months ago, but I'm sure that one can find a decent reason to run Compiz or Beryl as a WM. On 12/21/06, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Aaron Vegh wrote: > > For those who didn't know about Beryl, this YouTube video tells all: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0ZtcxHUSDQ > > > > I think we'll all be in trouble when we confuse nifty eye candy for a > > truly usable system. It looks better for about 15 minutes, then you > > get annoyed. > > Interesting. Its the first YouTube video I've been able to watch. Only one > minor hesitation near the start then the res ot if it played smoothly. > > That Beryl desktop looked fine for a moment when it first booted. The toolbar > across the bottom reminded me of what I've been on the Mac's at a local store. > Once the person started interating with it, it all started to look rather > sick. I don't mean sick as in good but as in nauseating. > > The web page says "Above all else, the project seeks to listen to and respond > to the requests of the user base." so I want to know who is the user base? > Mostly kids who are spend most of their time playing games? > > I'd like to know how one gets the Beryl desktop so I can be sure to stay far > away from it. I can think of better ways to make use of CPU/GPU processing > abilities. > > -- > Cheers! > > Kevin. > > http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" > Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: > | Try to assimilate the world!" > #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 21 17:37:38 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:37:38 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <4386c5b20612081927q3d2f5faaxd822632027927816@mail.gmail.com> <458ABB51.7050403@interlog.com> Message-ID: <458AC662.80104@utoronto.ca> Simon wrote: > In Compiz/Beryl's defense, that Mac-ish bouncy icon bar is a separate > project, and you can turn off any other effects you find nauseating, > there's a modular plugin system with plenty of options. I've only > ever used compiz, and it was about 6 months ago, but I'm sure that one > can find a decent reason to run Compiz or Beryl as a WM. Such that Xorg 7 has AIGLX built in and active by default in many distros (Fedora, Ubuntu). In fact, Fedora Core 6 features a simple 2 check box dialog to turn effects on and off. For those easily nauseated, they've at least done the courteous thing and made sure the effects (not the Xorg module) are off by default. I for one have sold a few people on Ubuntu and Fedora on the basis of the nifty Beryl effects, so like them or not, they are impressive and fun for many in the under 30 crowd :p Even to the Mac OSX fans--one friend, a New Media geek--switched to Ubuntu on his new MacBook... go figure. > On 12/21/06, Kevin Cozens wrote: >> Aaron Vegh wrote: >> > For those who didn't know about Beryl, this YouTube video tells all: >> > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0ZtcxHUSDQ >> > >> > I think we'll all be in trouble when we confuse nifty eye candy for a >> > truly usable system. It looks better for about 15 minutes, then you >> > get annoyed. >> >> Interesting. Its the first YouTube video I've been able to watch. Only >> one >> minor hesitation near the start then the res ot if it played smoothly. >> >> That Beryl desktop looked fine for a moment when it first booted. The >> toolbar >> across the bottom reminded me of what I've been on the Mac's at a >> local store. >> Once the person started interating with it, it all started to look rather >> sick. I don't mean sick as in good but as in nauseating. >> >> The web page says "Above all else, the project seeks to listen to and >> respond >> to the requests of the user base." so I want to know who is the user >> base? >> Mostly kids who are spend most of their time playing games? >> >> I'd like to know how one gets the Beryl desktop so I can be sure to >> stay far >> away from it. I can think of better ways to make use of CPU/GPU >> processing >> abilities. >> >> -- >> Cheers! >> >> Kevin. >> >> http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" >> Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: >> | Try to assimilate the world!" >> #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 21 18:36:24 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:36:24 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. In-Reply-To: <458AC662.80104-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612081927q3d2f5faaxd822632027927816@mail.gmail.com> <458ABB51.7050403@interlog.com> <458AC662.80104@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: A friend of mine bought a Macbook fully intending to put Linux on it. Also, there must be other practical uses for AIGLX than just this, like accelerating remote clients, which I _assume_ is possible now. I also would say it got merged basically because it adds optional new functionality without breaking anything. On 12/21/06, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Simon wrote: > > In Compiz/Beryl's defense, that Mac-ish bouncy icon bar is a separate > > project, and you can turn off any other effects you find nauseating, > > there's a modular plugin system with plenty of options. I've only > > ever used compiz, and it was about 6 months ago, but I'm sure that one > > can find a decent reason to run Compiz or Beryl as a WM. > > Such that Xorg 7 has AIGLX built in and active by default in many > distros (Fedora, Ubuntu). In fact, Fedora Core 6 features a simple 2 > check box dialog to turn effects on and off. For those easily nauseated, > they've at least done the courteous thing and made sure the effects (not > the Xorg module) are off by default. > > I for one have sold a few people on Ubuntu and Fedora on the basis of > the nifty Beryl effects, so like them or not, they are impressive and > fun for many in the under 30 crowd :p Even to the Mac OSX fans--one > friend, a New Media geek--switched to Ubuntu on his new MacBook... go > figure. > > > On 12/21/06, Kevin Cozens wrote: > >> Aaron Vegh wrote: > >> > For those who didn't know about Beryl, this YouTube video tells all: > >> > > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0ZtcxHUSDQ > >> > > >> > I think we'll all be in trouble when we confuse nifty eye candy for a > >> > truly usable system. It looks better for about 15 minutes, then you > >> > get annoyed. > >> > >> Interesting. Its the first YouTube video I've been able to watch. Only > >> one > >> minor hesitation near the start then the res ot if it played smoothly. > >> > >> That Beryl desktop looked fine for a moment when it first booted. The > >> toolbar > >> across the bottom reminded me of what I've been on the Mac's at a > >> local store. > >> Once the person started interating with it, it all started to look rather > >> sick. I don't mean sick as in good but as in nauseating. > >> > >> The web page says "Above all else, the project seeks to listen to and > >> respond > >> to the requests of the user base." so I want to know who is the user > >> base? > >> Mostly kids who are spend most of their time playing games? > >> > >> I'd like to know how one gets the Beryl desktop so I can be sure to > >> stay far > >> away from it. I can think of better ways to make use of CPU/GPU > >> processing > >> abilities. > >> > >> -- > >> Cheers! > >> > >> Kevin. > >> > >> http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" > >> Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: > >> | Try to assimilate the world!" > >> #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > >> > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 21 20:37:23 2006 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:37:23 -0500 Subject: Dig Camera Message-ID: <20061221203723.GHJG6280.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> In the spirit of leaving Christmas shopping to the last minute, I now have an urgent question about a digital camera for a family member. I have narrowed it down to either a Kodak Z612 or an Olympus SP-510, which have similar features and pricing. The Kodak model is now listed on the gphoto2 site as being compatible, so I imagine it'll work either now or when I update my gphoto2. The Olympus model is not listed at all, despite it having been around for about 6 months, I am told. This worries me. If the Olympus SP-510 is either USB Mass Storage or PTP (I haven't been able to confirm the transfer protocol as yet), is it likely to be recognized anyway? Is anyone using this camera with Linux? The Olympus model is being recommended by the sales guys over the Kodak. Since both models use the SD card, I suppose there's always the option to use a card reader, but it would be nice to be able to plug in the camera and have it recognized. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 21 21:01:20 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:01:20 -0500 Subject: Dig Camera In-Reply-To: <20061221203723.GHJG6280.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net-S6HM6mcWxYWbHxUYzX/Bp7Dks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20061221203723.GHJG6280.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Yes, if it uses a standard protocol, it will work, regardless of whether it's on a supported list. I would hope that it's USB mass storage though, that is always easier to work with than gphoto2. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 21 21:09:39 2006 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:09:39 -0500 Subject: Dig Camera Message-ID: <20061221210939.WPFW1773.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> > > From: Simon > Date: 2006/12/21 Thu PM 04:01:20 EST > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Dig Camera > > Yes, if it uses a standard protocol, it will work, regardless of > whether it's on a supported list. I would hope that it's USB mass > storage though, that is always easier to work with than gphoto2. > -- Thanks. USB mass storage will be seen as a removable disk I assume? John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 21 21:22:26 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:22:26 -0500 Subject: Dig Camera In-Reply-To: <20061221203723.GHJG6280.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net-S6HM6mcWxYWbHxUYzX/Bp7Dks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20061221203723.GHJG6280.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20061221212226.GA4296@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I cannot comment on either of these cameras, so if that's all you're looking for, stop reading :-) However, as a purchaser and user of many different digital cameras over the past few years, I have to heartily recommend using a card reader rather than plugging the camera in. Here's why: no battery drain - pulling 200+ RAW images off a camera takes ages and totally wipes out the battery speed - some cameras (perhaps not your target cameras, FWIW) are only USB 1.0, which is really pokey for file transfer keep shooting - I often find that I want to keep shooting at home, and by pulling my card and throwing it into the reader to download, I put in my second card and keep going - this happens more than you would think, even with multiple 1Gb+ cards less fragile - after a careless person tripped over the cord to the camera one and broke the fragile leads inside the camera, rendering it a brick. The upshot is that because it was downloading images at the time it also corrupted the filesystem on the card. compatible with everything - I carry a card reader and I can transfer photos to Linux, Mac OSX, Windows without any problems. Card readers are small, cheap and easy to carry, and worth their weight IMHO. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 21 21:52:29 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:52:29 -0500 Subject: Dig Camera In-Reply-To: <20061221212226.GA4296-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20061221203723.GHJG6280.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> <20061221212226.GA4296@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: I'm going to agree about the card reader thing, because of battery life and speed, I find it more of a pain to plug a camera in than pull out the SD card and stick it in my machine, which has a card reader built in. Also, yes, every piece of software that I've heard of would treat anything communicating with USB mass storage like a removeable device. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 21 21:59:58 2006 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:59:58 -0500 Subject: Dig camera Message-ID: <458B03DE.1080507@rogers.com> Here are reviews of each camera by CNET: http://www.cnet.com.au/digitalcameras/cameras/0,239036184,240092304,00.htm http://www.cnet.com.au/digitalcameras/cameras/0,239036184,240090746,00.htm?ref=search On the face of it, it looks like the Kodak is the better camera for the money. You should also be aware that camera companies often offer sales people incentives to push their products over the competition and because of this, "suggestions" from the sales droids should be discounted. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 21 22:01:36 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 22:01:36 +0000 Subject: future presentation topics In-Reply-To: <408ae1640612210712x10cd90f4x10ca59c3c0b559d3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <408ae1640612210712x10cd90f4x10ca59c3c0b559d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/21/06, Interlug Lists wrote: > A number of KWLUG members have recently attempted to contact the meeting > organizers of TLUG and NewTLUG, but had no response. So, to the list we go. > Perhaps Those Who Schedule will see this here if our previous emails have > ended up in the spam bin. Other area LUGs should feel free to contact us as > well. The trouble has been that Robert Brockway, the "guy who organizes meeting topics," just had an infant addition to his family, and has fallen into the attendant 'outrageous busyness' that follows for a period of time. Those do indeed sound like some interesting topics worthy of re-presentation... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 21 22:44:04 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:44:04 -0500 Subject: BadVista.org Message-ID: <1166741044.3975.4.camel@spot1.localhost.com> he Free Software Foundation (FSF) today launched BadVista.org, a campaign with a twofold mission of exposing the harms inflicted on computer users by the new Microsoft Windows Vista and promoting free software alternatives that respect users' security and privacy rights. http://badvista.fsf.org/ RickT -- "Friends don't let friends use windows. Show a suffering windows user Linux today." http://www.TorontoNUI.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 22 15:26:13 2006 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:26:13 -0500 Subject: Dig. Camera Message-ID: <20061222152613.DJSY12977.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> My e-mails are at home and I'm at work right now, so don't know exactly who it was that suggested to do the picture transfers striclty with a card and card reader to save on camera battery. Is there a quality reason to prefer the xD over the SD card or vice versa? Certainly the SD cards are cheaper and more abundant. John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 22 15:39:29 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:39:29 -0500 Subject: Dig. Camera In-Reply-To: <20061222152613.DJSY12977.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net-S6HM6mcWxYWbHxUYzX/Bp7Dks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20061222152613.DJSY12977.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20061222153929.GA3558@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 10:26:13AM -0500, John Moniz wrote: >My e-mails are at home and I'm at work right now, so don't know exactly who it was that suggested to do the picture transfers striclty with a card and card reader to save on camera battery. Is there a quality reason to prefer the xD over the SD card or vice versa? Certainly the SD cards are cheaper and more abundant. There may not be a quality restriction on xD cards, but the technology is not as widely licensed, which means it is more expensive and may go the way of Beta. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 22 16:07:13 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:07:13 -0500 Subject: Dig. Camera In-Reply-To: <20061222153929.GA3558-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20061222152613.DJSY12977.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> <20061222153929.GA3558@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Perhaps they use xD because the smaller size makes it easier to incorporate. The other reason I can think of would be that the companies that use it have a vested interest in doing so, the way Sony always uses memory stick cards. From your and my point of view, I can't think of a reason not to prefer SD whenever possible, but I don't know any technical details to convince me otherwise, maybe there's something I don't know. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 22 16:21:56 2006 From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:21:56 -0500 Subject: Dig. Camera In-Reply-To: <20061222152613.DJSY12977.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net-S6HM6mcWxYWbHxUYzX/Bp7Dks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20061222152613.DJSY12977.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <1166804516.23496.64.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 10:26 -0500, John Moniz wrote: > My e-mails are at home and I'm at work right now, so don't know exactly who it was that suggested to do the picture transfers striclty with a card and card reader to save on camera battery. Is there a quality reason to prefer the xD over the SD card or vice versa? Certainly the SD cards are cheaper and more abundant. > > John. The only two cameras that use the xD are Olympia and Fuji so if you buy into xD you'll find you cannot use your cards anywhere else. They are different than SD cards and are not interchangeable. My Fuji camera was a present but I might have chosen to go with an SD-based camera given comparable specs. Even so I haven't had much problems in finding xD media and it really means that I have to repurchase when moving to a larger camera. I'll probably have to do that anyway since the jump in megapixels will require a boost in memory. I seem to recall that xD was designed to store additional data about the images like the model of camera and settings at the time. This doesn't make sense to me since it must use a FAT file system and obviously uses JPEGs. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Ph: 519-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 22 18:02:46 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:02:46 -0500 Subject: Dig. Camera In-Reply-To: <1166804516.23496.64.camel-H4GMr3yegGDiLwdn3CfQm+4hLzXZc3VTLAPz8V8PbKw@public.gmane.org> References: <20061222152613.DJSY12977.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> <1166804516.23496.64.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> Message-ID: <458C1DC6.2080706@telly.org> FWIW, the camera I have is a Canon that takes the large (and cheapest!) Compact Flash cards. Personally I like Canon and Olympus and Fujis, you can't go wrong with any of them IMO. IMO there are three issues related to cards, mainly all stemming from issues of availability. The comments below apply to cards used in cameras, as well as the growing number of smartphones that also use flash memory cards. 1) Price -- while name-brand SD and xD cards are about the same price for the same capacity, it's easier to find cheaper off-brands for SD. The Sandisk prices for 2GB cards are between $80-90 for both SD and xD. However, there are many more brands available for SD, one of them now offering 2GB cards for $25 (after rebate at tigerdirect) and many others at less than $40. (One company even sells a 4GB SD card for less than the cost for a 2GB xD card.) The bottom line: Consider the extra cost of the card when assessing the full price of the camera. You're going to need an extra card anyway, as most of the ones included with the cameras are tiny and not too uselful beyond demos. Many stores like FutureShop can (and will if you press) drop the price of a card as an incentive to get you to buy a particular model camera. 2) Readers -- For my last PC purchase, I was able to find a floppy drive that included a bunch of card readers, within the same form factor: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1265795&CatId=630 -- it contains an SD reader but not an xD reader. Many of the "7-in-1" USB card readers don't have xD slots, for licensing of whatever reasons. You can still get a USB reader for xD, such as http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2415753&CatId=962 , but they're not as common. The bottom line: these days, most people use a USB cable to hook their cameras directly to their computers (which works fine under most modern versions of Linux). They only take out the memory card when going to a commercial photo printer like Black's or Costco, whose systems generally read xD cards. Given the capcity of today's cards, you'll likely not need to swap them because you ran out of room. While using the USB cable does use battery power, consider that drain is minimal since the big power sucks on the camera -- the viewscreen and lens movements -- are usually off during PC transfers. In any case, many cameras already use rechargables -- and IMO the wear-and-tear of frequent removal of the memory card isn't worth the benefit. On some cameras that I've seen, the battery-access mechanisms and doors appear more robust than the ones used to protect the flash cards. 3) Long term availability -- fewer sources of xD cards means that it will likely be harder to find them once they become obsoleted by the next generation of cards, which will happen long before your camera stops being usable. The bottom line: unless you do a lot of poster-size high-rez shooting, one or two high-capacity cards bought now should probably be all you need for the life of the camera, especially if you frequently download photos to a PC then delete them off the card. If you're paranoid, wait untill just after the cards become obsoleted and by a few more at bargain bin prices. So this isn't much of an issue. HTH, - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 22 18:29:35 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:29:35 -0500 Subject: Mounting very old (NCR SysV) drives Message-ID: <458C240F.3020105@alteeve.com> Hi all, This is a question looking for help under Linux or FreeBSD (I know it's not linux, but I figured some of you guys/gals could help none the less). I've been asked to try and get the data off a couple 15 year old (SCSI) drives from an old NCR SysV Unix server. I used 'dd' to image the drives under linux, so I'm sort of okay with experimenting now. Anyway, Linux recognized the drives as 'sysv' or 'hurd' disks, but I couldn't mount them even after loading the 'sysv' module. There was very little info on the net about this, so I decided to try FreeBSD (being more "Unix") but I am not terribly familiar with it. Under BSD 'fdisk -s' doesn't show the drives, but the BSD boot loader does (asks if I want to boot off the old drive when it's online). So, anyone here have any advice/suggestions for me under either OS? If this is too OT, maybe someone could ping me off the list? Thanks kindly all! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 22 18:33:00 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:33:00 -0500 Subject: Dig. Camera In-Reply-To: <20061222152613.DJSY12977.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net-S6HM6mcWxYWbHxUYzX/Bp7Dks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20061222152613.DJSY12977.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <458C24DC.7050608@rogers.com> John Moniz wrote: > My e-mails are at home and I'm at work right now, Perhaps you need to do what I've done. I set up an imap server & VPN, so it doesn't matter what computer I use to access my mail. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 22 19:55:42 2006 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:55:42 -0800 Subject: Dig. Camera In-Reply-To: <458C24DC.7050608-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20061222152613.DJSY12977.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> <458C24DC.7050608@rogers.com> Message-ID: <458C383E.6060004@mathstat.yorku.ca> James Knott wrote: > John Moniz wrote: > >>My e-mails are at home and I'm at work right now, > > > Perhaps you need to do what I've done. I set up an imap server & VPN, > so it doesn't matter what computer I use to access my mail. Who's your ISP? I think most of the mass-market ones technically don't allow that in the terms of service, though I don't know if they enforce it if you're the only person actually accessing the server. (That's actually what I'm most curious about -- do they enforce it?_ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 22 21:13:48 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:13:48 -0500 Subject: Dig. Camera In-Reply-To: <458C383E.6060004-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <20061222152613.DJSY12977.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> <458C24DC.7050608@rogers.com> <458C383E.6060004@mathstat.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <458C4A8C.9040800@rogers.com> Mike Oliver wrote: > James Knott wrote: >> John Moniz wrote: >> >>> My e-mails are at home and I'm at work right now, >> >> >> Perhaps you need to do what I've done. I set up an imap server & VPN, >> so it doesn't matter what computer I use to access my mail. > > Who's your ISP? I think most of the mass-market ones technically > don't allow that in the terms of service, though I don't know if > they enforce it if you're the only person actually accessing the > server. (That's actually what I'm most curious about -- do they > enforce it?_ My imap server is available only on my local network and via vpn. I do not offer any "services" to anyone, other than ssh and vpn access to myself. While the ISP has prohibitions on "servers", they don't have them on remote access. Also, in the FAQ they mention that they'd use the rules against those who cause problems. They don't want "servers" that are open to many, to prevent excessive traffic. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 22 22:21:00 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:21:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Vista, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <4386c5b20612081927q3d2f5faaxd822632027927816@mail.gmail.com> <458ABB51.7050403@interlog.com> <458AC662.80104@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: | From: Simon [Please, folks, trim your posts. And don't top-post. The Fedora mailing list guidlines seem reasonable: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines#head-90ccad98d62191f372b5f14c74baabb5d38fb58d ] | Also, there must be other practical uses for AIGLX than just this, | like accelerating remote clients, which I _assume_ is possible now. I don't really understand the new things in X. My impression is that many new facilities are not great over a wire. Like Render. I'm not even sure that X drivers don't compromise security: allowing direct access to the video card may allow direct access to anything in memory. Even if you are only trusting the X server program, that is a lot of code to trust. | I | also would say it got merged basically because it adds optional new | functionality without breaking anything. Yikes. As if X didn't already have too many features. Actually, my ongoing concern is that the state of open-source OpenGL acceleration is really bad so requiring 3d performance practically requires proprietary (closed-source) drivers. As a defensive move, I've stocked up on a couple of Radeon 9250s and my latest laptop uses Intel graphics. Both are slow but have open-source 3d acceleration. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 22 23:12:59 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:12:59 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <4386c5b20612081927q3d2f5faaxd822632027927816@mail.gmail.com> <458ABB51.7050403@interlog.com> <458AC662.80104@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On 12/22/06, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > [Please, folks, trim your posts. And don't top-post. I didn't realize this was a big deal to some people, it doesn't bother me. One of the reasons to use gmail is that it automatically folds quoted text. > I'm not even sure that X drivers don't compromise security: allowing > direct access to the video card may allow direct access to anything in > memory. Even if you are only trusting the X server program, that is a > lot of code to trust. When you say X server program, what are you referring to? > | I > | also would say it got merged basically because it adds optional new > | functionality without breaking anything. > > Yikes. As if X didn't already have too many features. I don't think that better hardware acceleration support or input hotplugging (an arbitrary alternate example) can be thought of as feature creep. > Actually, my ongoing concern is that the state of open-source OpenGL > acceleration is really bad so requiring 3d performance practically > requires proprietary (closed-source) drivers. > As a defensive move, I've stocked up on a couple of Radeon 9250s and > my latest laptop uses Intel graphics. Both are slow but have > open-source 3d acceleration. I agree about this, and it's enough to make me want to do something about it, because it's unconditionally removing all potential for Linux as platform for modern games. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 23 00:01:58 2006 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter P.) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 00:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Mounting very old (NCR SysV) drives References: <458C240F.3020105@alteeve.com> Message-ID: If the disk does not have a valid label then the system may not want to have anything to do with it. Try man disklabel and see what gives. Do not write a new label to the disk. Also try scsictl if the disk detaches unexpectedly (likely if attempts are made to mount it with 'default' options lacking data from a valid disklabel). See here: http://www.brno.cas.cz/cgi-bin/bsdi-man?proto=1.1&query=disklabel&msection=5&apropos=0 Afaik there are several filesystems that were used by SysV that you will not be able to read at all using *BSD. If lost after mounting succeeds: http://www.unixguide.net/unixguide.shtml Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 23 03:24:11 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:24:11 -0500 Subject: Dig. Camera In-Reply-To: <458C4A8C.9040800-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20061222152613.DJSY12977.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> <458C24DC.7050608@rogers.com> <458C383E.6060004@mathstat.yorku.ca> <458C4A8C.9040800@rogers.com> Message-ID: <458CA15B.4040201@utoronto.ca> James Knott wrote: > Mike Oliver wrote: >> James Knott wrote: >>> John Moniz wrote: >>> >>>> My e-mails are at home and I'm at work right now, >>> >>> Perhaps you need to do what I've done. I set up an imap server & VPN, >>> so it doesn't matter what computer I use to access my mail. >> Who's your ISP? I think most of the mass-market ones technically >> don't allow that in the terms of service, though I don't know if >> they enforce it if you're the only person actually accessing the >> server. (That's actually what I'm most curious about -- do they >> enforce it?_ > > My imap server is available only on my local network and via vpn. I do > not offer any "services" to anyone, other than ssh and vpn access to > myself. While the ISP has prohibitions on "servers", they don't have > them on remote access. Also, in the FAQ they mention that they'd use > the rules against those who cause problems. They don't want "servers" > that are open to many, to prevent excessive traffic. Can't be nearly as much as running torrents all day. I think the real reason for their prohibition is that most isps sell businesses on the same profile as you or I (may have a few extra "features") and then jack up the price--because they can and businesses will pay for it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 22 19:53:22 2006 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:53:22 -0500 Subject: Dig Camera In-Reply-To: <20061221203723.GHJG6280.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net-S6HM6mcWxYWbHxUYzX/Bp7Dks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <20061221203723.GHJG6280.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20061222145322.ad0b6db9.hgibson@eol.ca> On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:37:23 -0500 John Moniz wrote: > In the spirit of leaving Christmas shopping to the last minute, I now have an urgent question about a digital camera for a family member. I have narrowed it down to either a Kodak Z612 or an Olympus SP-510, which have similar features and pricing. > > The Kodak model is now listed on the gphoto2 site as being compatible, so I imagine it'll work either now or when I update my gphoto2. The Olympus model is not listed at all, despite it having been around for about 6 months, I am told. This worries me. > > If the Olympus SP-510 is either USB Mass Storage or PTP (I haven't been able to confirm the transfer protocol as yet), is it likely to be recognized anyway? Is anyone using this camera with Linux? > > The Olympus model is being recommended by the sales guys over the Kodak. Since both models use the SD card, I suppose there's always the option to use a card reader, but it would be nice to be able to plug in the camera and have it recognized. John, My digital camera is recognized by gphoto, but gphoto is no longer installed by Fedora Core 5. Originally, I installed it from the latest source, but I just don't care anymore. The flash card works as a file system. I move the files off the flash card and onto my hard drive, leaving the original dates intact. Get the best camera. If there is a flash card, Linux supports it. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 23 14:06:41 2006 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 09:06:41 -0500 Subject: help with makefiles Message-ID: <1166882801.4090.102.camel@localhost> Hi, I'm just learning a little bit about makefiles as I'm trying to modify the very user-unfriendly debian/rules in ubuntu's linux-restricted-modules package. THis package is set up for developers who are building lots and lots of distro-standard kernels; I want it to be more friendly to users who just want to build the restricted-modules package for the little custom kernel they built themselves. One of the really frustrating things about ubuntu is that, while the kernel is more inclusive and up-to-date than debian's, ist's actually quite abit more difficult to modify than is the case when using debian itself. Anyway part of this would be controlled by a variable in debian/rules called flavours. So for instance in the 386 architecture, the variable is set thus: flavours := $(addprefix $(kernel_abi_version)-, generic 386 lowlatency) I'd like to modify this by introducing a new variable "FLAVOURS" (ok maybe it should be named something else) thus: ifndef $(FLAVOURS) FLAVOURS := "generic 386 lowlatency" endif flavours := $(addprefix $(kernel_abi_version)-,$(FLAVOURS)) as I understand it, the ifndef shoud check to see whether FLAVOURS is assigned a value, and if not, assign it the value "generic 386 lowlatency". So if you don't pass a value for FLAVOURS, the behaviour of debian/rules would be exactly as expected by the devs; but if you do pass a value, you can determine the name of the flavour. Howver, I find that this does not work right: $ FLAVOURS="TESTME" debian/rules printenv DEB_HOST_ARCH: i386 flavours: 2.6.20-2-generic 2.6.20-2-386 2.6.20-2-lowlatency FLAVOURS: generic 386 lowlatency OK, but now I try somehting else; get rid of the ifndef loop and just write: flavours := $(addprefix $(kernel_abi_version)-,$(FLAVOURS)) now what happens? $ FLAVOURS="TESTME" debian/rules printenv DEB_HOST_ARCH: i386 flavours: 2.6.20-2-TESTME FLAVOURS: TESTME So why doesn't my little loop work? The makefile is not entirely trivial (as you'd expect for a pretty complicated package) so I am not really sure what's going on (this is my first effort with makefiles). I've posted the whole thing at: http://www.derailleur.org/rules ANyway I appreciate any help you guys can give me! Matt -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 23 16:20:28 2006 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:20:28 -0500 Subject: Dig. Camera In-Reply-To: <458C1DC6.2080706-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <20061222152613.DJSY12977.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> <1166804516.23496.64.camel@venture.office.netdirect.ca> <458C1DC6.2080706@telly.org> Message-ID: <458D574C.7030803@sympatico.ca> Evan Leibovitch wrote: >FWIW, the camera I have is a Canon that takes the large (and cheapest!) >Compact Flash cards. Personally I like Canon and Olympus and Fujis, you >can't go wrong with any of them IMO. > > >IMO there are three issues related to cards, mainly all stemming from >issues of availability. The comments below apply to cards used in >cameras, as well as the growing number of smartphones that also use >flash memory cards. > > > >1) Price -- while name-brand SD and xD cards are about the same price >for the same capacity, it's easier to find cheaper off-brands for SD. >The Sandisk prices for 2GB cards are between $80-90 for both SD and xD. >However, there are many more brands available for SD, one of them now >offering 2GB cards for $25 (after rebate at tigerdirect) and many others >at less than $40. (One company even sells a 4GB SD card for less than >the cost for a 2GB xD card.) > >The bottom line: Consider the extra cost of the card when assessing the >full price of the camera. You're going to need an extra card anyway, as >most of the ones included with the cameras are tiny and not too uselful >beyond demos. Many stores like FutureShop can (and will if you press) >drop the price of a card as an incentive to get you to buy a particular >model camera. > > >2) Readers -- For my last PC purchase, I was able to find a floppy drive >that included a bunch of card readers, within the same form factor: >http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1265795&CatId=630 >-- it contains an SD reader but not an xD reader. Many of the "7-in-1" >USB card readers don't have xD slots, for licensing of whatever reasons. >You can still get a USB reader for xD, >such as >http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2415753&CatId=962 >, but they're not as common. > >The bottom line: these days, most people use a USB cable to hook their >cameras directly to their computers (which works fine under most modern >versions of Linux). They only take out the memory card when going to a >commercial photo printer like Black's or Costco, whose systems generally >read xD cards. Given the capcity of today's cards, you'll likely not >need to swap them because you ran out of room. While using the USB cable >does use battery power, consider that drain is minimal since the big >power sucks on the camera -- the viewscreen and lens movements -- are >usually off during PC transfers. In any case, many cameras already use >rechargables -- and IMO the wear-and-tear of frequent removal of the >memory card isn't worth the benefit. On some cameras that I've seen, the >battery-access mechanisms and doors appear more robust than the ones >used to protect the flash cards. > > >3) Long term availability -- fewer sources of xD cards means that it >will likely be harder to find them once they become obsoleted by the >next generation of cards, which will happen long before your camera >stops being usable. > >The bottom line: unless you do a lot of poster-size high-rez shooting, >one or two high-capacity cards bought now should probably be all you >need for the life of the camera, especially if you frequently download >photos to a PC then delete them off the card. If you're paranoid, wait >untill just after the cards become obsoleted and by a few more at >bargain bin prices. So this isn't much of an issue. > > >HTH, > I ended up getting the Kodak in the end, mostly because of the SD card. I'll soon see if it was the right choice for picture quality and compatibility with Linux. Thanks for all the great replies. John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 23 20:37:24 2006 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 15:37:24 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <4386c5b20612081927q3d2f5faaxd822632027927816@mail.gmail.com> <458ABB51.7050403@interlog.com> <458AC662.80104@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <458D9384.8070404@interlog.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > [Please, folks, trim your posts. And don't top-post. The Fedora > mailing list guidlines seem reasonable: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines#head-90ccad98d62191f372b5f14c74baabb5d38fb58d > ] I won't quibble too much about top posting vs. bottom posting. Personally I prefer bottom posting as I can read part of the original message before I read the reply. I will give people points for trimming posts. Too often I've seen a message thread on a mailing list where people are just hitting reply, and adding their comments. Next thing you know you wind up with a message of a hundred lines or so and a person only adds one or two lines of new text. It makes it hard to find out if someone actually added anything new (let alone whether they added anything new that was more than an "I agree" type comment which is all some people add). -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 23 22:42:27 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:42:27 -0500 Subject: help with makefiles In-Reply-To: <1166882801.4090.102.camel@localhost> References: <1166882801.4090.102.camel@localhost> Message-ID: I think it's a bug, I took the time to test it out, and it started behaving if I changed that ifndef block so that it's ifndef FLAVOURS instead of ifndef $(FLAVOURS). I would guess that that's a bug, but I'm no make expert either, I find it somewhat confusing. Anyway, are you sure you need to compile a custom kernel? It seems to me like it's a big pain to do it in Ubuntu if you also need any modules that ship with their kernel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 01:05:42 2006 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:05:42 -0500 Subject: help with makefiles In-Reply-To: References: <1166882801.4090.102.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1166922342.5434.7.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2006-23-12 at 17:42 -0500, Simon wrote: > I think it's a bug, I took the time to test it out, and it started > behaving if I changed that ifndef block so that it's ifndef FLAVOURS > instead of ifndef $(FLAVOURS). I would guess that that's a bug, but > I'm no make expert either, I find it somewhat confusing. Anyway, are > you sure you need to compile a custom kernel? It seems to me like > it's a big pain to do it in Ubuntu if you also need any modules that > ship with their kernel. yeah, it is a big pain, so I'm trying to modify the linux-restricted-modules source package to make it easier. The developers don't really care about ordinary users who want to recompile -- they're sort of opposed, actually -- but I think the ability to recompile the kernel is a really important plus to a linux distro. so it's not about me so much as about improving the process. Right now you can build l-r-m with some kludgy hacks but I would like to see something better. I am of course in over my head in this htough -- that's obvious I guess from how little I know about makefiles. anyway I fixed it too with: ifeq ($(strip $(FLAVOURS)),) FLAVOURS := "generic 386 lowlatency" endif which works for some reason. yours is better though so I'll change it. matt C > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 01:45:24 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:45:24 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <4386c5b20612081927q3d2f5faaxd822632027927816@mail.gmail.com> <458ABB51.7050403@interlog.com> <458AC662.80104@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On 12/22/06, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Simon > > [Please, folks, trim your posts. And don't top-post. The Fedora > mailing list guidlines seem reasonable: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines#head-90ccad98d62191f372b5f14c74baabb5d38fb58d > ] > > | Also, there must be other practical uses for AIGLX than just this, > | like accelerating remote clients, which I _assume_ is possible now. > > I don't really understand the new things in X. My impression is that > many new facilities are not great over a wire. Like Render. Yeah, I think they are making more assumptions these days to the effect that "all access is local." It's true, sometimes, but it's mighty dangerous to build requirements for that into apps. Does Render only work over :0? Or only *well*? That's not at all clear from the documentation... It doesn't sound like it should intrinsically need to be local-only. Is there a relevant connection between Render and Cairo? The latter seems to be a mechanism that some of the GUI libs out there seem to be moving towards; by having some higher level abstractions (e.g. - a rendering model akin to the "easy bits of Postscript"), you should have something that lower levels could optimize. > I'm not even sure that X drivers don't compromise security: allowing > direct access to the video card may allow direct access to anything in > memory. Even if you are only trusting the X server program, that is a > lot of code to trust. This (the X server) has grown to a big enough monolith, even with the theoretical merits of the modularization process in R7, so that auditing this for security seems problematic. > | I > | also would say it got merged basically because it adds optional new > | functionality without breaking anything. > > Yikes. As if X didn't already have too many features. Few systems have the ability to diminish their features without risking forking/cancellation... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 02:36:56 2006 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 21:36:56 -0500 Subject: Mounting very old (NCR SysV) drives In-Reply-To: <458C240F.3020105-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <458C240F.3020105@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On 12/22/06, Madison Kelly wrote: > So, anyone here have any advice/suggestions for me under either OS? > If this is too OT, maybe someone could ping me off the list? It seems entirely unlikely to me that there is any material chance of successfully mounting that filesystem on Linux or *BSD. That was a "true Unix" system, and replicating filesystem implementations of "true Unix" is something that neither Linux nor *BSD have done. They have replicated functionality, but not the AT&T-derived implementations. I'd be mighty surprised for there to be an answer better than to effectively use dd to pull data off the partition, and to then search for chunks of useful information thereon. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ..." (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 04:23:04 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:23:04 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. In-Reply-To: <458ABB51.7050403-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612081927q3d2f5faaxd822632027927816@mail.gmail.com> <458ABB51.7050403@interlog.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990612232023u1421363ey5982af0658241a36@mail.gmail.com> Aaron Vegh wrote: > For those who didn't know about Beryl, this YouTube video tells all: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0ZtcxHUSDQ > > I think we'll all be in trouble when we confuse nifty eye candy for a > truly usable system. It looks better for about 15 minutes, then you > get annoyed. I agree with the noisy eye candy comment. All this "desktop" needs are points and levels.. and a multiplayer desktop mode, where you can maximize, minimize and move windows around in a challenging way .. to see who is the best. And sounds.. lots of sound everywhere, for any inane reason. Maybe there could be some kind of skill progression system.. where if you minimize and maximize a screen a lot then it can make some sort of fishing-related sound.. and you can learn "miminimze screen level 2" .. and chain your skills to learn "switch desktop". Oh, and you can have allied play.. like some kind of crazy minesweeper-meets-a-desktop-environment.. with everyone all clicking various buttons at once.. Then you can add "elements" and collectability.. with rarity levels and limited edition tiles and such. it's a Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Desktop (MMORPD) --+ Screw the eye candy.. I want that "speed" stuff.. you know.. when I minimize a window and it just frelling goes away without any delays. All this application and environment candy just gets in the way of what I'm at my computer for in the first place. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 04:26:03 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:26:03 -0500 Subject: Dig camera In-Reply-To: <458B03DE.1080507-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <458B03DE.1080507@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990612232026h4163f6f1pabb29d44e14cf7ab@mail.gmail.com> On 12/21/06, John McGregor wrote: > Here are reviews of each camera by CNET: > http://www.cnet.com.au/digitalcameras/cameras/0,239036184,240092304,00.htm > http://www.cnet.com.au/digitalcameras/cameras/0,239036184,240090746,00.htm?ref=search > > On the face of it, it looks like the Kodak is the better camera for the > money. You should also be aware that camera companies often offer sales > people incentives to push their products over the competition and > because of this, "suggestions" from the sales droids should be discounted. After having doing some more thinking on this topic recently.. I will not look at a camera unless it has an open RAW format and has an excellent anti-shake feature. And it's be nice to be waterproof.. but that's a pipe dream for the higher-end cameras. /me pats his OptioWP -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 06:04:48 2006 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 01:04:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Adding a hard drive Message-ID: <20061224004202.E65920@irk.arg> I have a 320G hard drive recently purchased, and after resolving some IRQ conflicts with my network card (this HD runs off a PROMISE card, an IDE card like my Ethernet card), I later try to format the HD, and it fails to format under both XP and Linux. Both systems can see the HD. The HD is a Seagate 320 GB IDE with a 16 MB cache. The HD appears as /dev/hdg, and fdisk showed that it had no format to begin with (unusual in my recent experience). I gave it a partition under fdisk, and selected "W95 32 Bit" as I wanted to see the HD under both systems (I have dual boot). Then I attempted to format it using mkfs.vfat, and the Buffer I/O error on device hdg1, logical block 30 end_request: I/O error, dev hdg, sector 187 Buffer I/O error on device hdg1, logical block 31 Warning: could not read block 0: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read end_request: I/O error, dev hdg, sector 63 Warning: could not erase sector 0: Attempt to write block from filesystem resulted in short write Writing inode tables: 42/795 After this, a cathartic spewing of error messages of the likes of: end_request: I/O error, dev hdg, sector 19661883 end_request: I/O error, dev hdg, sector 19661887 end_request: I/O error, dev hdg, sector 19661891 end_request: I/O error, dev hdg, sector 19661895 end_request: I/O error, dev hdg, sector 19661899 ... and so on The motherboard is an ASUS A7V running an Athlon K7 processor and 1 GB of RAM. The HD is on the same cable as a DVD-ROM (one which is only lightly used). The HD is intended to be used as storage, with no executables. The HD is hooked up to a 2-port PROMISE IDE card. Any help people can give me regarding my hard drive problem will be helpful. Thanks, and Season's Greetings Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 06:57:19 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 01:57:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Vista, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <4386c5b20612081927q3d2f5faaxd822632027927816@mail.gmail.com> <458ABB51.7050403@interlog.com> <458AC662.80104@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: | From: Simon | On 12/22/06, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > I'm not even sure that X drivers don't compromise security: allowing | > direct access to the video card may allow direct access to anything in | > memory. Even if you are only trusting the X server program, that is a | > lot of code to trust. | When you say X server program, what are you referring to? For example, on my desktop (Fedora Core 5): 4 0 3322 3321 15 0 133308 90540 - Ss+ tty7 551:24 X :0 -auth /home/hugh/.serverauth.3305 This is the thing that runs the display. (An X client is typically an application program wanting stuff drawn on the screen.) | > | I | > | also would say it got merged basically because it adds optional new | > | functionality without breaking anything. | > | > Yikes. As if X didn't already have too many features. | | I don't think that better hardware acceleration support or input | hotplugging (an arbitrary alternate example) can be thought of as | feature creep. Almost everything is feature creep. The question is: does this pay for itself. "it adds optional new functionality without breaking anything" is an unconvincing justification. There are probably better ones, but I was reacting to what you said. Building the X server on top of OpenGL is perhaps OK; certainly as an option. That is a fundamental change. It seems to require much more worthy OpenGL implementations. It would seem to disadvantage old desktops (without 3d hardware or enough RAM) and smaller systems (like my Zaurus) and incent the use of closed source drivers. The clients (like the flashy window managers) that use the 3d stuff are what really forces the game. Parallel example: X protocol used over the internet has gotten worse and worse over the years. The client programs and probably the toolkits have not paid attention to parsimonious use of the network. One of the worst trivial things seems to be enumeration of fonts. FreeNX seems to be better over the wire, but that seems like a kludge. | > Actually, my ongoing concern is that the state of open-source OpenGL | > acceleration is really bad so requiring 3d performance practically | > requires proprietary (closed-source) drivers. | I agree about this, and it's enough to make me want to do something | about it, because it's unconditionally removing all potential for | Linux as platform for modern games. What do you want to do? Encourage vendors? Worth doing, but progress seems pathetic. I'd like to better understand why. ATI was open at one point. So was Matrox. Not now. Most convincing reason proposed: protecting "Intellectual Property" licensed from third parties (or even: not licensed). Reverse engineer the hardware? Very hard and laborious. There is real progress here on the ATI/AMD front (consider joining this project). I imagine that the worst part is trying to figure out how to avoid hardware bugs. Build open-source hardware? I would expect that the performance of GPUs built on FPGAs to be way behind what ATI and nVidia produce. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 07:59:21 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 02:59:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Adding a hard drive In-Reply-To: <20061224004202.E65920-Lmm7Ma+JbVE@public.gmane.org> References: <20061224004202.E65920@irk.arg> Message-ID: | From: Paul King | | I have a 320G hard drive recently purchased, and after resolving some IRQ | conflicts with my network card (this HD runs off a PROMISE card, an IDE card | like my Ethernet card), I later try to format the HD, and it fails to format | under both XP and Linux. Both systems can see the HD. The HD is a Seagate 320 | GB IDE with a 16 MB cache. I've not used one of these cards. Sometimes they have a BIOS that creates a geometry that Linux does not see. In fact, some of that geometry stuff was actually removed from Linux in recent years. Mind your, the error messages don't look like geometry errors to me. The problems look to be at a lower level. | The HD appears as /dev/hdg, and fdisk showed that it had no format to begin | with (unusual in my recent experience). I gave it a partition under fdisk, and | selected "W95 32 Bit" as I wanted to see the HD under both systems (I have | dual boot). Then I attempted to format it using mkfs.vfat, and the | | Buffer I/O error on device hdg1, logical block 30 | end_request: I/O error, dev hdg, sector 187 | Buffer I/O error on device hdg1, logical block 31 | Warning: could not read block 0: Attempt to read block from filesystem | resulted | in short read | end_request: I/O error, dev hdg, sector 63 | Warning: could not erase sector 0: Attempt to write block from filesystem | resulted in short write Those look bad to me (but I'm not an expert). Does dmesg tell you more? | The motherboard is an ASUS A7V running an Athlon K7 processor and 1 GB of RAM. I vaguely recollect that VIA chipsets of that era could have problems with some PCI cards. I'm not saying that this is what you are hitting. | The HD is on the same cable as a DVD-ROM (one which is only lightly used). The | HD is intended to be used as storage, with no executables. The HD is hooked up | to a 2-port PROMISE IDE card. Are you sure that the promise card supports anything other than hard drives? Some RAID cards of that did not support ATAPI. I never knew whether this was a hardware of driver implementation. (I had an ABIT BP6, with a RAID chip onboard. So did the main IDE driver maintainer (since replaced). He said to only use hard drives on it, not cdroms, and he should know and was in a position to fix it if it were fixable.) Are you using an IDE cable suitable for ultradma? You know, the ones with twice as many conductors? Certainly the first thing I would try would be to take everything else off the channel. If your controller is really old, you might be experiencing the ~137G limit of the old IDE protocol. Unlikely, I think. Consider testing the drive on your main IDE interface, without your original drive. You haven't got much to lose since anything on the new drive is toast. Don't forget to set the jumpers correctly. I've heard that the new IDE cables (the ones with twice the conductors) are "cable select". I've not read it, but a glance at this suggests it might be worth reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Attachment | Any help people can give me regarding my hard drive problem will be helpful. All these were shots in the dark. Good luck! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 08:30:46 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 03:30:46 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <4386c5b20612081927q3d2f5faaxd822632027927816@mail.gmail.com> <458ABB51.7050403@interlog.com> <458AC662.80104@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1e55af990612240030o52e8e88at32dbe584acb70edc@mail.gmail.com> On 12/24/06, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Build open-source hardware? I would expect that the performance of > GPUs built on FPGAs to be way behind what ATI and nVidia produce. Really fundamentally way behind. I mean.. an FPGA by definition can't get very good compared to dedicated hardware (of the same cost). But considering the general selection of Linux "games".. anything is better than nothing. I'd definitely support open hardware.. and especially the idea of FPGAs in a personal computer. I was hoping the commodore one would get better, and that I could run NetBSD .. =/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 08:54:26 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 03:54:26 -0500 Subject: Adding a hard drive In-Reply-To: References: <20061224004202.E65920@irk.arg> Message-ID: <1e55af990612240054rd9c788exf293548270f03e5c@mail.gmail.com> On 12/24/06, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Paul King > | The HD is on the same cable as a DVD-ROM (one which is only lightly used). The > | HD is intended to be used as storage, with no executables. The HD is hooked up > | to a 2-port PROMISE IDE card. > > Are you using an IDE cable suitable for ultradma? You know, the ones > with twice as many conductors? This is an *excellent* question.. But it doesn't explain how the device could be detected and show up with partitioning.. that's odd. =) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 08:56:16 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 03:56:16 -0500 Subject: Dig camera In-Reply-To: <1e55af990612232026h4163f6f1pabb29d44e14cf7ab-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <458B03DE.1080507@rogers.com> <1e55af990612232026h4163f6f1pabb29d44e14cf7ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm too cheap, and unwilling to carry around a large camera, to go for the high end stuff. Right now, I covet the FinePix F30 or F31, because of the low light performance: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caroline/323418790/ Feel free to point out any other compact cameras that can match this for less, I'd be interested in knowing of them. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 09:51:05 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 04:51:05 -0500 Subject: Vista, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <4386c5b20612081927q3d2f5faaxd822632027927816@mail.gmail.com> <458ABB51.7050403@interlog.com> <458AC662.80104@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: FPGAs being used to offload computation seems like possibly a good idea, but I don't know enough about low level computing to know whether there's enough of a need for it, and how feasible it is. On 12/24/06, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > This is the thing that runs the display. > > (An X client is typically an application program wanting stuff drawn on > the screen.) I know this, I just wasn't sure, because it doesn't make sense to me to be so paranoid about needed software that comes from a trusted source (upstream and distribution devs) being able to use your hardware. Sounds like the "pull the plug" approach to internet security, or the avoidance of email altogether so as to solve the spam problem. > Building the X server on top of OpenGL is perhaps OK; certainly as an > option. That is a fundamental change. It seems to require much more > worthy OpenGL implementations. It would seem to disadvantage old > desktops (without 3d hardware or enough RAM) and smaller systems (like > my Zaurus) and incent the use of closed source drivers. Seems to me that saying that this promotes the use of closed graphics drivers is somewhat like saying that the Internet promotes the use of closed networking drivers. Also, XGL was implemented as a full screen OpenGL application (an X server built on OpenGL like you describe), but AIGLX is merely an extension of the existing X server codebase, and not a replacement of it. I didn't really complete the argument before about optional functionality without breaking anything, but perhaps it would be better to say that AIGLX adds powerful new capabilities without breaking any existing functionality, by virtue of its ability to be disabled. However, it's enabled by default, which implies that it doesn't break anything while enabled, either. I certainly can confirm this firsthand - it's enabled for me right now, and I wouldn't have been able to tell the difference, other than the inexplicable boost in performance of indirectly rendered applications. > What do you want to do? [snip] > Build open-source hardware? I would expect that the performance of > GPUs built on FPGAs to be way behind what ATI and nVidia produce. Sounds about right, but like you say, it would have to be on an ASIC in order to compete. Perhaps it is possible to develop on expensive FPGAs while using ASICs for large scale production? I wish I knew more about this, it really bugs me to have inadequate support for my graphics card just because I insist on using an otherwise better operating system. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 14:26:17 2006 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:26:17 -0500 Subject: Adding a hard drive In-Reply-To: References: <20061224004202.E65920@irk.arg> Message-ID: <458E47B9.17012.2923DC@sciguy.vex.net> On 24 Dec 2006 at 2:59, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Paul King > | The HD is on the same cable as a DVD-ROM (one which is only lightly used). The > | HD is intended to be used as storage, with no executables. The HD is hooked up > | to a 2-port PROMISE IDE card. > > Are you sure that the promise card supports anything other than hard > drives? The card is has been used for a couple of years now, and has been running both hard disks and DVD drives, although on different ports until now. It is called an "Ultra 133". I had previously been careful about not mixing CD/DVD drives with HDs on the same cable. That might be part of the problem, and maybe a larger expansion card is in order ...? > Some RAID cards of that did not support ATAPI. I never > knew whether this was a hardware of driver implementation. (I had an > ABIT BP6, with a RAID chip onboard. So did the main IDE driver > maintainer (since replaced). He said to only use hard drives on it, > not cdroms, and he should know and was in a position to fix it if it > were fixable.) > > Are you using an IDE cable suitable for ultradma? You know, the ones > with twice as many conductors? > > Certainly the first thing I would try would be to take everything else > off the channel. > > If your controller is really old, you might be experiencing the ~137G > limit of the old IDE protocol. Unlikely, I think. All my HDs are UDMA. The cable connecting the HD in question is one I don't normally buy, but looks like it was made long after the UDMA technology was in place. The logo on it reads "Cables To Go", and it is styled like the more modern SATA cables (instead of a tape, the individual wires run through a flexible plastic tube), although the guy at Tiger Discount said that they were IDE, and I almost didn't believe him. Can't remember if he said UDMA also, but they seemed to have served me for the past 6 months or so until I got this new HD. > > Consider testing the drive on your main IDE interface, without your > original drive. You haven't got much to lose since anything on the > new drive is toast. Well, nothing is currently on the drive. Except the formatting. But even then ... > > Don't forget to set the jumpers correctly. I've heard that the new > IDE cables (the ones with twice the conductors) are "cable select". I haven't tried that yet... Does that mean that everything on the cable has to be "CS"? I played with "Master" and "Slave", and got to see the HD that way. But I couldn't do much. FWIW, my cables look like the 40-conductor variety. So at best they are UDMA-3. According to the Wikipedia entry below which you suggested, 80 conductors was not introduced until UDMA-4. > > I've not read it, but a glance at this suggests it might be worth > reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Attachment > > | Any help people can give me regarding my hard drive problem will be helpful. > > All these were shots in the dark. Good luck! > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > __________ NOD32 1937 (20061224) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 14:33:33 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:33:33 -0500 Subject: Dig camera In-Reply-To: References: <458B03DE.1080507@rogers.com> <1e55af990612232026h4163f6f1pabb29d44e14cf7ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990612240633y700df665vd5d13c7f09c1e08b@mail.gmail.com> On 12/24/06, Simon wrote: > Right now, I covet the FinePix F30 or F31, > because of the low light performance: This is an excellent point. I have serious problems in low light conditions. These days it even seems that fluorescent lighting will require a flash .. and it will still give me a grain. Sigh. =/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 14:53:39 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:53:39 -0500 Subject: [OT] Dig camera In-Reply-To: <1e55af990612240633y700df665vd5d13c7f09c1e08b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <458B03DE.1080507@rogers.com> <1e55af990612232026h4163f6f1pabb29d44e14cf7ab@mail.gmail.com> <1e55af990612240633y700df665vd5d13c7f09c1e08b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <458E9473.8080304@utoronto.ca> Sy Ali wrote: > On 12/24/06, Simon wrote: >> Right now, I covet the FinePix F30 or F31, >> because of the low light performance: > > This is an excellent point. I have serious problems in low light > conditions. > > These days it even seems that fluorescent lighting will require a > flash .. and it will still give me a grain. Sigh. =/ Canon's A710 has an image stabilizing feature that effectively lets you shoot in varying light conditions +/-2 f stops. It apparently makes a huge difference, letting you set your exposure longer or shorter, and, for a mere $400 at your local big box store, you can get one too. Hmm, Face detection on the F31d with 3x optical zoom, more control over your aperture and exposure on the A710, with 6x optical zoom and higher resolution... I think the Canon may be cheaper the the Fuji too. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 14:59:30 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:59:30 -0500 Subject: Dig camera In-Reply-To: <1e55af990612240633y700df665vd5d13c7f09c1e08b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <458B03DE.1080507@rogers.com> <1e55af990612232026h4163f6f1pabb29d44e14cf7ab@mail.gmail.com> <1e55af990612240633y700df665vd5d13c7f09c1e08b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/24/06, Sy Ali wrote > These days it even seems that fluorescent lighting will require a > flash .. and it will still give me a grain. Sigh. =/ I hate flash - to me, photography is about recording something as I see it, and flash tends to mangle that. Because the F30 would let me get away with not using flash and still producing clear pictures, I want one. Also, it's extremely hard to find sample photos on the web using Google, so I was pretty happy to discover yesterday that I could use flickr to compare cameras without wasting time searching. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 18:55:29 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:55:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Vista, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <4386c5b20612081927q3d2f5faaxd822632027927816@mail.gmail.com> <458ABB51.7050403@interlog.com> <458AC662.80104@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: | From: Simon | On 12/24/06, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > This is the thing that runs the display. | > | > (An X client is typically an application program wanting stuff drawn on | > the screen.) | | I know this, I just wasn't sure, because it doesn't make sense to me | to be so paranoid about needed software that comes from a trusted | source (upstream and distribution devs) being able to use your | hardware. Sounds like the "pull the plug" approach to internet | security, or the avoidance of email altogether so as to solve the spam | problem. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm not so worried that the X server has malicious code in it (but of course it might). I'm more worried that it has bugs that would allow X clients to access things that they should not. The X server is now part of the security perimeter. Anecdote: In the mid 1970's, I went to an seminar by a respected computer scientist "implementing secure subsystems on insecure operating systems". It was about how they (Cornell University) could safely allow random undergrads to run PL/C programs even though PL/C (a student-oriented PL/I compiler) ran on OS/370 (an insecure OS). I asked the question: "do you think that such a large interface (the PL/I language) can be implemented securely?" He said "yes". Within about 15 minutes of the talk, I had cracked the local PL/C system (using a bug that I knew several language implementations had, but that I had never before tried with PL/C). And that time included punching the program on cards and running it through the "open shop" job stream. Oh, and figuring out how to evade the checks that PL/C had for this very bug through the use of a couple of obscure features of PL/I. With my report, they fixed PL/C. I have no idea how many other holes there were. I got the WATFOR compiler maintainers to fix this same bug. Interestingly, the fix later fell out somehow. I again got them to fix it. Summary: big interfaces don't make good security perimeters. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 19:07:42 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:07:42 -0500 Subject: [OT] Dig camera In-Reply-To: <458E9473.8080304-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <458B03DE.1080507@rogers.com> <1e55af990612232026h4163f6f1pabb29d44e14cf7ab@mail.gmail.com> <1e55af990612240633y700df665vd5d13c7f09c1e08b@mail.gmail.com> <458E9473.8080304@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: nah, Canada Computer sells the F31 for $340 right now. They also sell the A710 for $400. I must admit, zoom is the other thing I love in a camera, but here's a comparison of their low light performance: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brians_secret/314545023/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/belleseptembre/292085439/in/photostream/ My current camera, of course, is useless in those conditions, which makes me want to replace it even more. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 19:58:33 2006 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:58:33 -0500 Subject: Dig Camera Message-ID: <458EDBE9.1040105@rogers.com> ISO 3200 capability may note be the panacea that you are looking for. The max aperture for the FinePix 31 is f2.8. At that aperture, my Sekonic L398 light meter indicates a shutter speed of 1/30 sec or longer for candle light (or similar light level). Since the FinePix 31 lacks image stabilization capability, this means that using a tripod is an absolute must. It's been my experience that a shutter speed of 1/125 sec or shorter is necessary to to prevent camera shake being transferred to images. FWIW, I just had my light meter serviced and it is as accurate as the day it was made (it's 12 yr. old). John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 24 20:48:47 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:48:47 -0500 Subject: Dig Camera In-Reply-To: <458EDBE9.1040105-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <458EDBE9.1040105@rogers.com> Message-ID: <458EE7AF.2010401@utoronto.ca> John McGregor wrote: > ISO 3200 capability may note be the panacea that you are looking for. > The max aperture > for the FinePix 31 is f2.8. At that aperture, my Sekonic L398 light > meter indicates a shutter speed > of 1/30 sec or longer for candle light (or similar light level). Since > the FinePix 31 lacks image stabilization capability, > this means that using a tripod is an absolute must. It's been my > experience that a shutter speed of > 1/125 sec or shorter is necessary to to prevent camera shake being > transferred to images. FWIW, I just had my > light meter serviced and it is as accurate as the day it was made (it's > 12 yr. old). It was always so easy with film where you just made sure your ISO setting was greater than the length of your lens (as a general rule of thumb of course). Hard to do now with "35mm equivalent" measure manufacturers use for their built in lenses. Gotta just save up and buy me a proper SLR or go back to shooting Velvia on the old Pentax. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 25 01:24:32 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 20:24:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Dig Camera In-Reply-To: <458EE7AF.2010401-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <458EE7AF.2010401@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <32834.42169.qm@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Jamon Camisso wrote: > John McGregor wrote: > > ISO 3200 capability may note be the panacea that > you are looking for. > > The max aperture > > for the FinePix 31 is f2.8. At that aperture, my > Sekonic L398 light > > meter indicates a shutter speed > > of 1/30 sec or longer for candle light (or similar > light level). Since > > the FinePix 31 lacks image stabilization > capability, > > this means that using a tripod is an absolute > must. It's been my > > experience that a shutter speed of > > 1/125 sec or shorter is necessary to to prevent > camera shake being > > transferred to images. FWIW, I just had my > > light meter serviced and it is as accurate as the > day it was made (it's > > 12 yr. old). > > It was always so easy with film where you just made > sure your ISO > setting was greater than the length of your lens (as > a general rule of > thumb of course). Hard to do now with "35mm > equivalent" measure > manufacturers use for their built in lenses. Gotta > just save up and buy > me a proper SLR or go back to shooting Velvia on the > old Pentax. Huh? With my Minolta semi-auto 35mm camera (aperture was manual, by default shutter speed was auto) I would normally shoot with the likes of a 38mm lens (wide angle, but not so wide as to get the pronounced fish eye look) and 1600 ASA film (fast enough to be able to work without a flash in average room light). As for shutter speed, as long as my camera told me it would use a shutter speed of 1/60 sec. or faster I knew I would normally be blur free... My $0.02 anyway... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 25 01:45:15 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 20:45:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Banshee Music player and portable MP3 players Message-ID: <20061225014515.93352.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Anyone use the Banshee MP3 player? I am attempting to make this work under Debian Etch with a Lexar 128MB JumpDrive. So far I am to the point where the HAL program recognizes the device, and puts a little iPod style icon up on the GNOME desktop. Banshee I gather uses HAL to ID available MP3 players, but in my case that isn't happening. Ideas? Thanks. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 25 03:05:23 2006 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 22:05:23 -0500 Subject: Dig Camera Message-ID: <458F3FF3.1010503@rogers.com> > As for > shutter speed, as long as my camera told me it would > use a shutter speed of 1/60 sec. or faster I knew I > would normally be blur free... > A whole lot depends on the size and type of shutter employed and the inertia created as the shutter opens and closes. Electronic leaf shutters, where every step from initial opening to the final close is tightly controlled and dampened, produce minimal to no shake. The inertia in spring powered, mechanical leaf shutters produces some vibration, but the worst offenders are the mechanical curtain style shutters that were almost universal in SLRs for many years. The other variable that comes into play is the photographer's ability to control body movement relative to the duration of the shutter being open. At 1/30 sec or longer, even the most insignificant movement will be apparent in the image. At 1/60 sec more significant movement can still mar an image. Except in extreme cases, 1/125 sec is fast enough to freeze all action and render a completely static image. A fair part of the population can remain completely still long enough to safely shoot at 1/60 sec, but for the general population, 1/125 sec or shorter is the rule of thumb for hand held camera photography. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 25 03:24:06 2006 From: tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org (tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 22:24:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: No networking with Debian 3.1 with 2.6 kernel In-Reply-To: <20061212173452.GG19986-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20061212173452.GG19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <568764.92171.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I tried adding them... no luck. Here is the dmesg and network restart output. Any ideas? *********************************** /etc/init.d/networking restart *********************************** Setting up IP spoofing protection: rp_filter. Enabling packet forwarding...done. Reconfiguring network interfaces...ifup: interface lo already configured SIOCSIFADDR: No such device eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device SIOCSIFBRDADDR: No such device eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device Failed to bring up eth0. Internet Software Consortium DHCP Client 2.0pl5 Copyright 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 The Internet Software Consortium. All rights reserved. Please contribute if you find this software useful. For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/dhcp-contrib.html sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 Bind socket to interface: No such device exiting. Failed to bring up eth1. done. *********************************** *********************************** *********************************** dmesg output *********************************** Linux version 2.6.8-3-686 (pbuilder at dl360-g3) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Dec 5 21:26:38 UTC 2006 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000000e0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 000000007bfb0000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000007bfb0000 - 000000007bfbe000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 000000007bfbe000 - 000000007bfe0000 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: 000000007bfe0000 - 000000007c000000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec01000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000ff780000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) 1087MB HIGHMEM available. 896MB LOWMEM available. found SMP MP-table at 000ff780 On node 0 totalpages: 507824 DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:1 Normal zone: 225280 pages, LIFO batch:16 HighMem zone: 278448 pages, LIFO batch:16 DMI 2.3 present. ACPI: RSDP (v002 ACPIAM ) @ 0x000fa8b0 ACPI: XSDT (v001 A M I OEMXSDT 0x10000505 MSFT 0x00000097) @ 0x7bfb0100 ACPI: FADT (v003 A M I OEMFACP 0x10000505 MSFT 0x00000097) @ 0x7bfb0290 ACPI: MADT (v001 A M I OEMAPIC 0x10000505 MSFT 0x00000097) @ 0x7bfb0390 ACPI: MCFG (v001 A M I OEMMCFG 0x10000505 MSFT 0x00000097) @ 0x7bfb0400 ACPI: OEMB (v001 A M I AMI_OEM 0x10000505 MSFT 0x00000097) @ 0x7bfbe040 ACPI: DSDT (v001 A0403 A0403110 0x00000110 INTL 0x02002026) @ 0x00000000 ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0x808 ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee00000 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x01] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) Processor #0 15:4 APIC version 20 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x02] lapic_id[0x81] disabled) ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x03] lapic_id[0x82] disabled) ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x04] lapic_id[0x83] disabled) ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x01] address[0xfec00000] gsi_base[0]) IOAPIC[0]: Assigned apic_id 1 IOAPIC[0]: apic_id 1, version 3, address 0xfec00000, GSI 0-23 ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 0 global_irq 2 dfl dfl) ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 9 global_irq 9 low level) ACPI: IRQ0 used by override. ACPI: IRQ2 used by override. ACPI: IRQ9 used by override. Enabling APIC mode: Flat. Using 1 I/O APICs Using ACPI (MADT) for SMP configuration information Built 1 zonelists Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda5 ro Initializing CPU#0 PID hash table entries: 4096 (order 12: 32768 bytes) Detected 2661.243 MHz processor. Using pmtmr for high-res timesource Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Dentry cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) Inode-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Memory: 2006124k/2031296k available (1553k kernel code, 24008k reserved, 689k data, 148k init, 1113792k highmem) Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode... Ok. Calibrating delay loop... 5275.64 BogoMIPS Security Scaffold v1.0.0 initialized Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) CPU: After generic identify, caps: bfebfbff 20000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: After vendor identify, caps: bfebfbff 20000000 00000000 00000000 monitor/mwait feature present. using mwait in idle threads. CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: 16K CPU: L2 cache: 1024K CPU: After all inits, caps: bfebfbff 20000000 00000000 00000080 Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. CPU0: Intel P4/Xeon Extended MCE MSRs (24) available CPU0: Thermal monitoring enabled CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz stepping 01 Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. enabled ExtINT on CPU#0 ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000 ESR value after enabling vector: 00000000 ENABLING IO-APIC IRQs init IO_APIC IRQs IO-APIC (apicid-pin) 1-0, 1-16, 1-17, 1-18, 1-19, 1-20, 1-21, 1-22, 1-23 not connected. ..TIMER: vector=0x31 pin1=2 pin2=-1 Using local APIC timer interrupts. calibrating APIC timer ... ..... CPU clock speed is 2659.0501 MHz. ..... host bus clock speed is 132.0974 MHz. checking if image is initramfs...it isn't (ungzip failed); looks like an initrd Freeing initrd memory: 4528k freed NET: Registered protocol family 16 PCI: PCI BIOS revision 3.00 entry at 0xf0031, last bus=5 PCI: Using MMCONFIG mtrr: v2.0 (20020519) ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040326 ACPI: Interpreter enabled ACPI: Using IOAPIC for interrupt routing ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (00:00) PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 *15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 *15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 *15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 *15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 *15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 *15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 *15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 *15) Linux Plug and Play Support v0.97 (c) Adam Belay PnPBIOS: Scanning system for PnP BIOS support... PnPBIOS: Found PnP BIOS installation structure at 0xc00f7b70 PnPBIOS: PnP BIOS version 1.0, entry 0xf0000:0x880a, dseg 0xf0000 PnPBIOS: Resource structure does not contain an end tag. PnPBIOS: 17 nodes reported by PnP BIOS; 17 recorded by driver PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing number of MP IRQ sources: 15. number of IO-APIC #1 registers: 24. testing the IO APIC....................... IO APIC #1...... .... register #00: 01000000 ....... : physical APIC id: 01 ....... : Delivery Type: 0 ....... : LTS : 0 .... register #01: 00178003 ....... : max redirection entries: 0017 ....... : PRQ implemented: 1 ....... : IO APIC version: 0003 .... IRQ redirection table: NR Log Phy Mask Trig IRR Pol Stat Dest Deli Vect: 00 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 01 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 39 02 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 31 03 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 41 04 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 49 05 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 51 06 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 59 07 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 61 08 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 69 09 001 01 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 71 0a 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 79 0b 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 81 0c 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 89 0d 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 91 0e 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 99 0f 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 A1 10 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 11 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 12 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 13 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 14 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 15 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 16 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 17 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 Using vector-based indexing IRQ to pin mappings: IRQ0 -> 0:2 IRQ1 -> 0:1 IRQ3 -> 0:3 IRQ4 -> 0:4 IRQ5 -> 0:5 IRQ6 -> 0:6 IRQ7 -> 0:7 IRQ8 -> 0:8 IRQ9 -> 0:9 IRQ10 -> 0:10 IRQ11 -> 0:11 IRQ12 -> 0:12 IRQ13 -> 0:13 IRQ14 -> 0:14 IRQ15 -> 0:15 .................................... done. highmem bounce pool size: 64 pages VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1 Dquot-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order 0, 4096 bytes) devfs: 2004-01-31 Richard Gooch (rgooch-r1x6VkxMR+00zabcByZE4g at public.gmane.org) devfs: boot_options: 0x0 Initializing Cryptographic API isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... isapnp: No Plug & Play device found Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 48 ports, IRQ sharing enabled ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 8192K size 1024 blocksize serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0 NET: Registered protocol family 2 IP: routing cache hash table of 16384 buckets, 128Kbytes TCP: Hash tables configured (established 524288 bind 65536) NET: Registered protocol family 8 NET: Registered protocol family 20 ACPI: (supports S0 S1 S3 S4 S5) RAMDISK: cramfs filesystem found at block 0 RAMDISK: Loading 4528 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... |/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-done. VFS: Mounted root (cramfs filesystem) readonly. Freeing unused kernel memory: 148k freed vesafb: probe of vesafb0 failed with error -6 NET: Registered protocol family 1 SCSI subsystem initialized libata version 1.02 loaded. Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 ide: Assuming 50MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx hda: Maxtor 6L300R0, ATA DISK drive hdd: SONY DVD RW DW-Q30A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive Using anticipatory io scheduler ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 hda: max request size: 1024KiB hda: 586114704 sectors (300090 MB) w/16384KiB Cache, CHS=36483/255/63 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 p10 p11 > kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Adding 2104472k swap on /dev/hda8. Priority:-1 extents:1 EXT3 FS on hda5, internal journal ide-scsi is deprecated for cd burning! Use ide-cd and give dev=/dev/hdX as device scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices Vendor: SONY Model: DVD RW DW-Q30A Rev: YYS3 Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 94x/94x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0, type 5 input: ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse on isa0060/serio1 via-rhine.c:v1.10-LK1.1.20-2.6 May-23-2004 Written by Donald Becker sundance.c:v1.01+LK1.09a 10-Jul-2003 Written by Donald Becker http://www.scyld.com/network/sundance.html Capability LSM initialized mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice ts: Compaq touchscreen protocol output kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3 FS on hda6, internal journal EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3 FS on hda7, internal journal EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. usbcore: registered new driver usbfs usbcore: registered new driver hub ohci_hcd: 2004 Feb 02 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver (PCI) ohci_hcd: block sizes: ed 64 td 64 USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.2 Real Time Clock Driver v1.12 input: PC Speaker inserting floppy driver for 2.6.8-3-686 FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 parport: PnPBIOS parport detected. parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778), irq 7, dma 3 [PCSPP,TRISTATE,COMPAT,ECP,DMA] NET: Registered protocol family 17 NET: Registered protocol family 10 Disabled Privacy Extensions on device c0300140(lo) IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver --- Lennart Sorensen wrote: > So this says eth0 is a via rhine II, and eth1 is a > sundance. Since you > have two devices, it is possible that booting a 2.6 > kernel you will end > up with them swapped. Or maybe one of them won't > load at all. > > You could add those drivers in order to /etc/modules > to see if that > helps. Just add via-rhine and then sundance to the > end of /etc/modules. > I know the discover used in sarge wasn't perfect and > missed some > devices, or in some cases got it wrong because of > the different driver > names in 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 25 03:38:29 2006 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 22:38:29 -0500 Subject: No networking with Debian 3.1 with 2.6 kernel In-Reply-To: <568764.92171.qm-5xIzErvUpPiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20061212173452.GG19986@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <568764.92171.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061224223829.46b63440@node1.freeyourmachine.org> On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 22:24:06 -0500 (EST) tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org got an infinite number of monkeys to type out: > I tried adding them... no luck. Here is the dmesg and > network restart output. Any ideas? Are you using IPV6? I know on MDV, a lot of people had trouble with networking with the newer kernel, and it was...er, well, not really 'fixed', but kludged by dumbing down from IPV6. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "Ahhh! We're gonna die! Right?" -Fry "Right." -Bender "Ahhh!" -Fry -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 25 17:24:33 2006 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 12:24:33 -0500 Subject: Another Marcel Book Message-ID: <45900951.7080704@golden.net> During my daily check on Groklaw, I saw this. Congrats Marcel on another fine book ! I guess I'll have to buy this one to keep the collection going. Will you be at the next Linux expo in Toronto ? My mini Linux library thus far has been quite useful for educating people new to Linux. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061225020125627 Oh yeah Merry Christmas (or insert appropriate word) to all ! John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 25 18:59:03 2006 From: tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org (tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 13:59:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: No networking with Debian 3.1 with 2.6 kernel In-Reply-To: <20061224223829.46b63440-RM84zztHLDxPRJHzEJhQzbcIhZkZ0gYS2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org> References: <20061224223829.46b63440@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Message-ID: <683943.77477.qm@web88010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Not sure. How can I tell? --- JoeHill wrote: > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 22:24:06 -0500 (EST) > tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org got an infinite number of > monkeys to type out: > > > I tried adding them... no luck. Here is the dmesg > and > > network restart output. Any ideas? > > Are you using IPV6? I know on MDV, a lot of people > had trouble with networking > with the newer kernel, and it was...er, well, not > really 'fixed', but kludged > by dumbing down from IPV6. > > -- > JoeHill > ++++++++++++++++++++ > "Ahhh! We're gonna die! Right?" -Fry > "Right." -Bender > "Ahhh!" -Fry > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 25 20:48:52 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:48:52 -0500 Subject: Dig Camera In-Reply-To: <458EDBE9.1040105-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <458EDBE9.1040105@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 12/24/06, John McGregor wrote: > ISO 3200 capability may note be the panacea that you are looking for. > The max aperture > for the FinePix 31 is f2.8. At that aperture, my Sekonic L398 light > meter indicates a shutter speed > of 1/30 sec or longer for candle light (or similar light level). Since > the FinePix 31 lacks image stabilization capability, > this means that using a tripod is an absolute must. AFAIK, I thought that the F31 has some form of image stabilization, which may or may not be useful. The NYT review that introduced me to the F30 indicated that a low light photo taken with zoom would be blurry even with the stabilisation, for all the cameras they tested, except for an HP R8something, which took 10 secs to take the picture, and another 5 seconds of postproc, but produced something very crisp compared to the other cameras. For me, the way I decide this sort of thing is with sample pictures, and it looks like the F30/F31 cameras blow away the competition in low light.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 26 00:13:57 2006 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:13:57 -0500 Subject: Adding a hard drive In-Reply-To: <458E47B9.17012.2923DC-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: Message-ID: <459022F5.16926.11F611B@sciguy.vex.net> Hello Thanks for the help, guys! I did an analysis (hooking up just the hard drive and adding the rest later), and I now suspect that this new HD I bought is toast -- quite likely a manufacturer's defect. The drive has gone from "being seen" by the bios (and not being able to do anything with it) to not being seen (which is now the current status). Paul King On 24 Dec 2006 at 9:26, Paul King wrote: > On 24 Dec 2006 at 2:59, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > > | From: Paul King > > > | The HD is on the same cable as a DVD-ROM (one which is only lightly used). The > > | HD is intended to be used as storage, with no executables. The HD is hooked up > > | to a 2-port PROMISE IDE card. > > > > Are you sure that the promise card supports anything other than hard > > drives? > > The card is has been used for a couple of years now, and has been running both > hard disks and DVD drives, although on different ports until now. It is called > an "Ultra 133". I had previously been careful about not mixing CD/DVD drives > with HDs on the same cable. That might be part of the problem, and maybe a > larger expansion card is in order ...? > > > Some RAID cards of that did not support ATAPI. I never > > knew whether this was a hardware of driver implementation. (I had an > > ABIT BP6, with a RAID chip onboard. So did the main IDE driver > > maintainer (since replaced). He said to only use hard drives on it, > > not cdroms, and he should know and was in a position to fix it if it > > were fixable.) > > > > Are you using an IDE cable suitable for ultradma? You know, the ones > > with twice as many conductors? > > > > Certainly the first thing I would try would be to take everything else > > off the channel. > > > > If your controller is really old, you might be experiencing the ~137G > > limit of the old IDE protocol. Unlikely, I think. > > All my HDs are UDMA. The cable connecting the HD in question is one I don't > normally buy, but looks like it was made long after the UDMA technology was in > place. The logo on it reads "Cables To Go", and it is styled like the more > modern SATA cables (instead of a tape, the individual wires run through a > flexible plastic tube), although the guy at Tiger Discount said that they were > IDE, and I almost didn't believe him. Can't remember if he said UDMA also, but > they seemed to have served me for the past 6 months or so until I got this new > HD. > > > > > Consider testing the drive on your main IDE interface, without your > > original drive. You haven't got much to lose since anything on the > > new drive is toast. > > Well, nothing is currently on the drive. Except the formatting. But even then > ... > > > > > Don't forget to set the jumpers correctly. I've heard that the new > > IDE cables (the ones with twice the conductors) are "cable select". > > I haven't tried that yet... Does that mean that everything on the cable has to > be "CS"? I played with "Master" and "Slave", and got to see the HD that way. > But I couldn't do much. > > FWIW, my cables look like the 40-conductor variety. So at best they are UDMA-3. > According to the Wikipedia entry below which you suggested, 80 conductors was > not introduced until UDMA-4. > > > > > I've not read it, but a glance at this suggests it might be worth > > reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Attachment > > > > > | Any help people can give me regarding my hard drive problem will be helpful. > > > > All these were shots in the dark. Good luck! > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > __________ NOD32 1937 (20061224) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > __________ NOD32 1937 (20061224) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 26 01:44:45 2006 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 20:44:45 -0500 Subject: Microsoft and Unix/Linux (Myths and IP) Message-ID: <1167097485.3930.4.camel@spot1.localhost.com> More on (moron??) IP and Linux. From: http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/24323/ All the best for the holidays!! RickT -- "Friends don't let friends use windows. Show a suffering windows user Linux today." http://www.TorontoNUI.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 26 15:43:46 2006 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:43:46 -0500 Subject: [OT] Dig camera In-Reply-To: References: <458B03DE.1080507@rogers.com> <1e55af990612232026h4163f6f1pabb29d44e14cf7ab@mail.gmail.com> <1e55af990612240633y700df665vd5d13c7f09c1e08b@mail.gmail.com> <458E9473.8080304@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1f13df280612260743l34eaadf2i227c36b9e59eb3cb@mail.gmail.com> On 12/24/06, Simon wrote: > nah, Canada Computer sells the F31 for $340 right now. They also sell > the A710 for $400. I must admit, zoom is the other thing I love in a > camera, but here's a comparison of their low light performance: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/brians_secret/314545023/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/belleseptembre/292085439/in/photostream/ > > My current camera, of course, is useless in those conditions, which > makes me want to replace it even more. I don't think anyone has mentioned DPReview yet: http://www.dpreview.com/ . Their reviews are excellent, and I would trust them much more than photos on flickr. For all the extra details Flickr gives under "More properties," they can't tell you a damn thing about the photographer, their equipment, or their camera maintenance. One of these photographers said "The moon ... this one is without flash." Umm ... Why are you telling us that? The flash is so utterly useless for photographing the moon that anyone who knows anything about photography just assumed you weren't using it. Did they use a tripod? When was the last time they cleaned their lens? These things have a lot more effect on image quality than the camera type. I prefer objective reviews to flickr. Okay, it's the internet and objectivity is always a little iffy, but DPReview has been very good. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 26 17:08:59 2006 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:08:59 -0500 Subject: SMTP Options for Laptops? Message-ID: <20061226170859.GA15273@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> What do people do for outbound email on their laptops? My solution has always been to ssh into my home machine and sidestep the problem, but my wife would like to run a local email client, and I am trying to find a way that she can send outbound email for any given network. Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 26 17:35:39 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:35:39 -0500 Subject: SMTP Options for Laptops? In-Reply-To: <20061226170859.GA15273-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20061226170859.GA15273@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <45915D6B.4090503@rogers.com> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > What do people do for outbound email on their laptops? My solution has > always been to ssh into my home machine and sidestep the problem, but my > wife would like to run a local email client, and I am trying to find a > way that she can send outbound email for any given network. Thanks. > I assume you're referring to ISP's not accepting SMTP on port 25, from outside the network? If so, they may have another port you can use. For example, my ISP also uses port 587, which can be used from off their network. I also run my own IMAP server, so I can access my incoming mail via VPN. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamesr-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 26 17:45:49 2006 From: jamesr-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Jim Robinson) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:45:49 -0500 Subject: SMTP Options for Laptops? In-Reply-To: <20061226170859.GA15273-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20061226170859.GA15273@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <45915FCD.1040006@idirect.com> Hi, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > What do people do for outbound email on their laptops? My solution has > always been to ssh into my home machine and sidestep the problem, but my > wife would like to run a local email client, and I am trying to find a > way that she can send outbound email for any given network. Thanks. Personally I have a two pronged approach to the problem. I use my gmail SMTP server address, when using my laptop, when I am on the road, in the evening. It is free. The disadvantage is that the outgoing email is changed to my gmail account name. In the labs during the day, I use the webmail interface that my ISP provides because I cannot get access to the university networks. There are also companies that you can sign up for, that allow relaying.. If you are interested I could dig out the information but I seemed to remember a price of $4.95 per month Best Wishes Jim R. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 26 19:11:35 2006 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:11:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: SMTP Options for Laptops? In-Reply-To: <20061226170859.GA15273-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20061226170859.GA15273@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <916952.26757.qm@web88215.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > What do people do for outbound email on their > laptops? My solution has > always been to ssh into my home machine and sidestep > the problem, but my > wife would like to run a local email client, and I > am trying to find a > way that she can send outbound email for any given > network. Thanks. I am typing this is a pub in a one-wireless hotspot town (yes, as far as I can tell I am in the town's only wireless hotspot (sigh... :-( )). Any event my solution is a web based mailer (Rogers Yahoo Mail). Ugly, but it works... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 26 19:24:28 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:24:28 -0500 Subject: SMTP Options for Laptops? In-Reply-To: <916952.26757.qm-Kg4S4JJQdT6B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <916952.26757.qm@web88215.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <459176EC.4030907@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > --- William O'Higgins Witteman > wrote: > >> What do people do for outbound email on their >> laptops? My solution has >> always been to ssh into my home machine and sidestep >> the problem, but my >> wife would like to run a local email client, and I >> am trying to find a >> way that she can send outbound email for any given >> network. Thanks. >> > > I am typing this is a pub in a one-wireless hotspot > town (yes, as far as I can tell I am in the town's > only wireless hotspot (sigh... :-( )). Any event my > solution is a web based mailer (Rogers Yahoo Mail). > Ugly, but it works... > Try port 587 instead of 25. I'm also on Rogers and that works for me. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 26 22:02:03 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:02:03 -0500 Subject: gutting konqueror's spell checking Message-ID: <1e55af990612261402q5a0aed00med72ba8721ce1119@mail.gmail.com> Editing my wiki using konqueror obliterates the performance of my machine. I launch konqueror and browse around, and as soon as I edit the smallest page everything grinds to a halt. Moving my mouse around makes me miss Windows 3.1 (this probably is seen best under relatively strenuous conditions) I figure this has something to do with the spell checking. I can't get rid of aspell entirely, so I wonder if I could feed it a tiny dictionary and make it use that by default. Is this doable? Where would I begin to look into something like this? I found the spell checker reference in both konqueror and in the kde control panel - but of course it's not useful for crazy things like adding a new dictionary or turning spell checking off. I see some interesting directories here: /usr/share/aspell /usr/lib/aspell I google around and I see all kinds of distribution-specific threads.. but nothing that seems to apply to my circumstance. Ideas? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 27 01:29:52 2006 From: slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slackrat) Date: 27 Dec 2006 02:29:52 +0100 Subject: SMTP Options for Laptops? In-Reply-To: <20061226170859.GA15273-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20061226170859.GA15273@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <874prip1m7.fsf@azurservers.com> "William O'Higgins Witteman" writes: > What do people do for outbound email on their laptops? My solution has > always been to ssh into my home machine and sidestep the problem, but my > wife would like to run a local email client, and I am trying to find a > way that she can send outbound email for any given network. Thanks. > -- > > yours, > > William > You could investigate the services offered by NO-IP.com They have solutions for dynamic ISPs and blocked ports I used them without problem until changing ISPs recently to a more enlightened ISP from a Rogers type dinosaur I still actually use their nameservers The costs are negligible http://www.no-ip.com/ -- Regards, Slackrat [Bill Henderson] [No _4Q_ for direct email] http://costofwar.com/ - Merry Christmas -Given the fact that the senior Bush?s most significant contribution to the world is George W. Bush, sobbing is quite appropriate! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 27 02:13:18 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:13:18 -0500 Subject: [OT] Dig camera In-Reply-To: <1f13df280612260743l34eaadf2i227c36b9e59eb3cb-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <458B03DE.1080507@rogers.com> <1e55af990612232026h4163f6f1pabb29d44e14cf7ab@mail.gmail.com> <1e55af990612240633y700df665vd5d13c7f09c1e08b@mail.gmail.com> <458E9473.8080304@utoronto.ca> <1f13df280612260743l34eaadf2i227c36b9e59eb3cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/26/06, Giles Orr wrote: > I don't think anyone has mentioned DPReview yet: > http://www.dpreview.com/ . Their reviews are excellent, and I would > trust them much more than photos on flickr. For all the extra details > Flickr gives under "More properties," they can't tell you a damn thing > about the photographer, their equipment, or their camera maintenance. Trust _what_ much more than the photos on flickr? There were no sample photos on the reviews I saw on dpreview, and the reviews themselves could use some more detail. It would be utterly irresponsible of me to buy a $300-$400 camera without seeing any samples of its output. Reading a review is great and I'm not saying that that's not a good idea when buying, but sample photos are a necessity. > One of these photographers said "The moon ... this one is without > flash." Umm ... Why are you telling us that? The flash is so > utterly useless for photographing the moon that anyone who knows > anything about photography just assumed you weren't using it. Did > they use a tripod? When was the last time they cleaned their lens? > These things have a lot more effect on image quality than the camera > type. I prefer objective reviews to flickr. Okay, it's the internet > and objectivity is always a little iffy, but DPReview has been very > good. I thought the same thing about that photographer, but I figured they must have a reason for saying that, so I looked around. Turns out that the adjacent picture was taken at the same time, but with flash, and looked totally different. It's also safe to say she didn't use a tripod ;) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 27 05:36:11 2006 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:36:11 -0500 Subject: [OT] Dig camera In-Reply-To: References: <458B03DE.1080507@rogers.com> <1e55af990612232026h4163f6f1pabb29d44e14cf7ab@mail.gmail.com> <1e55af990612240633y700df665vd5d13c7f09c1e08b@mail.gmail.com> <458E9473.8080304@utoronto.ca> <1f13df280612260743l34eaadf2i227c36b9e59eb3cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280612262136j44b0b372uc4b9fc57b5d035c7@mail.gmail.com> On 12/26/06, Simon wrote: > On 12/26/06, Giles Orr wrote: > > I don't think anyone has mentioned DPReview yet: > > http://www.dpreview.com/ . Their reviews are excellent, and I would > > trust them much more than photos on flickr. For all the extra details [SNIP] > Trust _what_ much more than the photos on flickr? There were no sample > photos on the reviews I saw on dpreview, and the reviews themselves > could use some more detail. It would be utterly irresponsible of me > to buy a $300-$400 camera without seeing any samples of its output. DP Review does incredibly extensive in-depth reviews of cameras (including lab photos). The Fuji you mentioned doesn't appear to have been tested (yet?) but the Canon has been: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canona710is/ Skip to page 3 for test photos. As for buying a camera without seeing its photo output ... The flickr images you're looking at aren't representative of what the camera is capable of. In almost all cases they've been manipulated by a computer program, and they're never posted at their original resolution - I think you learn more by reading responsible reviews (preferably several about each camera) online. I use a Nikon Coolpix 5400. It's an excellent camera, but low light handling is one of its failures. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 27 07:57:55 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 02:57:55 -0500 Subject: SMTP Options for Laptops? In-Reply-To: <45915FCD.1040006-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20061226170859.GA15273@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <45915FCD.1040006@idirect.com> Message-ID: <1e55af990612262357t2837896ei3df3ff2aa2c18d54@mail.gmail.com> On 12/26/06, Jim Robinson wrote: > The disadvantage is that the > outgoing email is changed to my gmail account name. Check your gmail settings.. you can link another email account through it, to send email - using gmail - "from" another address. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 27 13:06:51 2006 From: dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org (Dave Bour) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:06:51 -0500 Subject: SMTP Options for Laptops? Message-ID: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F4730A3375@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms> Dyndns.org offers an SMTP service for 15 a year if memory serves me right. Used it for a bunch of clients. 250 messages a day on the basic level account. Variety of ports to chose from to get around most cases of blocking D Dave Bour Desktop Solution Center 905.381.0077 dcbour at desktopsolutioncenter.ca For those who just want it to work... Giving you complete IT peace of mind. (Sent via Blackberry - hence message may be shorter than my usual verbose responses) PIN 3010A5AF (as of June 12, 2006) -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug at ss.org To: tlug Sent: Tue Dec 26 12:08:59 2006 Subject: [TLUG]: SMTP Options for Laptops? What do people do for outbound email on their laptops? My solution has always been to ssh into my home machine and sidestep the problem, but my wife would like to run a local email client, and I am trying to find a way that she can send outbound email for any given network. Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 27 02:59:23 2006 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:59:23 -0500 Subject: Dig Camera In-Reply-To: <458EDBE9.1040105-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <458EDBE9.1040105@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20061226215923.46e2ceb6.hgibson@eol.ca> On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:58:33 -0500 John McGregor wrote: > ISO 3200 capability may note be the panacea that you are looking for. > The max aperture > for the FinePix 31 is f2.8. At that aperture, my Sekonic L398 light > meter indicates a shutter speed > of 1/30 sec or longer for candle light (or similar light level). Since > the FinePix 31 lacks image stabilization capability, > this means that using a tripod is an absolute must. It's been my > experience that a shutter speed of > 1/125 sec or shorter is necessary to to prevent camera shake being > transferred to images. FWIW, I just had my > light meter serviced and it is as accurate as the day it was made (it's > 12 yr. old). > > John John, A lot of this depends on where you are shooting. Often, you can bring along the appropriate piece of hardware to stabilize the camera. I keep a miniature tripod in my briefcase. It comes in handy if I want to photograph a piece of small hardware on my desk at work. I do not like using flash for shots like this. A lot of hiking poles have knobs on top held on by 1/4-20UNC threads. This is the size of a camera tripod thread. These poles are perfectly good monopods. Monopods are not as good as tripods, but hiking poles are versatile things to take hiking. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 27 16:11:46 2006 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:11:46 -0500 Subject: SMTP Options for Laptops? In-Reply-To: <874prip1m7.fsf-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA@public.gmane.org> References: <20061226170859.GA15273@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <874prip1m7.fsf@azurservers.com> Message-ID: <20061227161146.7D80775376@sarg.ryerson.ca> For outgoing email, I run a sendmail on my laptop that doesn't know how to do anything except forward mail from me to the world. Then I set my mail client to point to 127.0.0.1 and it all works. The sendmail does direct mail delivery to MX servers, so there's no problem about forwarding. Unfortunately, the properties of the outgoing mail *may* trigger some spam filters. ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 27 16:17:31 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:17:31 -0500 Subject: [OT] Dig camera In-Reply-To: <1f13df280612262136j44b0b372uc4b9fc57b5d035c7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <458B03DE.1080507@rogers.com> <1e55af990612232026h4163f6f1pabb29d44e14cf7ab@mail.gmail.com> <1e55af990612240633y700df665vd5d13c7f09c1e08b@mail.gmail.com> <458E9473.8080304@utoronto.ca> <1f13df280612260743l34eaadf2i227c36b9e59eb3cb@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280612262136j44b0b372uc4b9fc57b5d035c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/27/06, Giles Orr wrote: > As for buying a camera without seeing its photo output ... The flickr > images you're looking at aren't representative of what the camera is > capable of. In almost all cases they've been manipulated by a > computer program, and they're never posted at their original > resolution - I think you learn more by reading responsible reviews > (preferably several about each camera) online. I'm not sure how to evaluate the image manipulation issue, but let me say that Flickr is the _only_ place that I've been able to find original resolution photo output from a Finepix F30 or F31, so I'm basically taking what I can get. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 27 17:37:25 2006 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 27 Dec 2006 12:37:25 -0500 Subject: Dig Camera In-Reply-To: <20061226215923.46e2ceb6.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <458EDBE9.1040105@rogers.com> <20061226215923.46e2ceb6.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: Howard Gibson writes: > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:58:33 -0500 > John McGregor wrote: > > > ISO 3200 capability may note be the panacea that you are looking for. > > The max aperture > > for the FinePix 31 is f2.8. At that aperture, my Sekonic L398 light > > meter indicates a shutter speed > > of 1/30 sec or longer for candle light (or similar light level). Since > > the FinePix 31 lacks image stabilization capability, > > this means that using a tripod is an absolute must. It's been my > > experience that a shutter speed of > > 1/125 sec or shorter is necessary to to prevent camera shake being > > transferred to images. FWIW, I just had my > > light meter serviced and it is as accurate as the day it was made (it's > > 12 yr. old). > > > > John > > John, > > A lot of this depends on where you are shooting. Often, you can bring > along the appropriate piece of hardware to stabilize the camera. I > keep a miniature tripod in my briefcase. It comes in handy if I want > to photograph a piece of small hardware on my desk at work. I do not > like using flash for shots like this. > > A lot of hiking poles have knobs on top held on by 1/4-20UNC threads. > This is the size of a camera tripod thread. These poles are perfectly > good monopods. Monopods are not as good as tripods, but hiking poles > are versatile things to take hiking. Yeah, they're especially useful for spearing other hikers, tripping you on your way down, causing thumb injuries ("skier's thumb") when you do fall, poking your eye out, and generally annoying other hikers. But, they look cool, especially when combined with the latest hi-tech cross country ski wear. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 27 17:52:01 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 12:52:01 -0500 Subject: SMTP Options for Laptops? In-Reply-To: <20061227161146.7D80775376-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20061226170859.GA15273@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <874prip1m7.fsf@azurservers.com> <20061227161146.7D80775376@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <4592B2C1.5000407@telly.org> Dave Mason wrote: > For outgoing email, I run a sendmail on my laptop that doesn't know how to do anything except forward mail from me to the world. Then I set my > mail client to point to 127.0.0.1 and it all works. The sendmail does direct mail delivery to MX servers, so there's no problem about > forwarding. Unfortunately, the properties of the outgoing mail *may* trigger some spam filters. > It's not just that. Sometimes your choice of ISP can trigger filters too. A client has a senior staffer who took his laptop to Florida for the holidays, then complained because so many of his recipients were not getting his mail anymore. Apparently many recipient ISPs had tagged his connection -- bellsouth.net (and especially its DSL home subnets) -- as a significant source of spam. Many sites were quarantining and sometimes just dropping his stuff, even though the same mails sent from his Toronto home or business went through fine. There are advantages to having a single stable SMTP server (or server network) on the Net that you can use as a trusted relay no matter where you are. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 27 19:58:27 2006 From: slackrat4Q-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slackrat) Date: 27 Dec 2006 20:58:27 +0100 Subject: SMTP Options for Laptops? In-Reply-To: <4592B2C1.5000407-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <20061226170859.GA15273@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <874prip1m7.fsf@azurservers.com> <20061227161146.7D80775376@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4592B2C1.5000407@telly.org> Message-ID: <87slf1w1p8.fsf@azurservers.com> Evan Leibovitch writes: > It's not just that. Sometimes your choice of ISP can trigger filters too. > > A client has a senior staffer who took his laptop to Florida for the > holidays, then complained because so many of his recipients were not > getting his mail anymore. Apparently many recipient ISPs had tagged his > connection -- bellsouth.net (and especially its DSL home subnets) -- as > a significant source of spam. Many sites were quarantining and sometimes > just dropping his stuff, even though the same mails sent from his > Toronto home or business went through fine. > > There are advantages to having a single stable SMTP server (or server > network) on the Net that you can use as a trusted relay no matter where > you are. > There seem to be a few problems at bellsouth.net that might trigger rejections by some mail systems http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=bellsouth.net I had a few problems myself before finally getting my domain configured correctly There are still a few systems that will not accept mail from me, earthlink.net comes to mind. Earthlink refuse to answer emails requesting clarification since their suggested reasons are not applicable to me - My IP is static, I have never sent UCE, publish SPF records and the reverse DNS is OK too -- Regards, Slackrat [Bill Henderson] [No _4Q_ for direct email] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 28 15:27:32 2006 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:27:32 -0500 Subject: Adding a hard drive In-Reply-To: <459022F5.16926.11F611B-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <458E47B9.17012.2923DC@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <45939C14.17167.1FDEDED@sciguy.vex.net> The hard drive was rescued. It is working order and is now an NTFS partition in an external enclosure. What seemed to lead to the bizarre errors mentioned earlier was that it was partially formatted. I initially formatted it under Windows, but stopped it in the middle (it was internal at the time) because it was going so slowly. Abysmally slow. I thought something was wrong, but it seemed that I left it in such a state that I could not format it into anything else -- not even in Linux. There were a number of other changes to my box at the time. All of my tapes were replaced by rounded IDE (P-ATA) cables which I had no prior experience with, and drives were re-arranged in the box so that the two DVD drives could be hooked up on the same data cable. I did this while trying to remember how they were hooked up on the cables -- the only change linux saw was that /dev/hdf was now /dev/hdg -- a minor problem. Windows didn't seem to re-letter anything at all. Adding the hard 320 GB disk to my expansion card (which had been sitting there with one open channel until now) also caused what seemed to be IRQ conflicts -- at first with my network card (changing slots on the network card fixed this), then it seemed that for some reason my mouse froze (actually, I can't be sure what caused the mouse to freeze, since it un-froze after rebooting). While the drive (the Seagate) was in the box, it eventually went un-detected, and could not be seen under any unoccupied /dev/hd* drive letter. This was after I made Linux partitions on the drive. I took it out of the box, and placed it inside a USB external hard drive. In Linux, I eliminated the partitions and replaced it with a single "Windows 95 32-bit" (0xC) partition. >From there, I could format it in Windows XP. Under Win XP, it was only possible to format it as an NTFS partition. No other option was offered (maybe it's the size ...?). This took nearly two hours.in an external USB 2.0 drive box. Once made, moving about 700 MB worth of files took over 10 minutes. THis compares with moving 18 GB of files to an internal drive, which also took 10 minutes. Media files take longer to start on the external drive. Formatting an another internal 320 GB drive took 1 hour, which I still think is slow, but I don't know what it is due to. It is not often I format NTFS, so maybe they just take longer to format ...? But anyway, NTFS wasn't quite what I wanted, but there comes a point that I become afraid to do further experiementing, since at some point I have to use the computer for serious reasons, and it is better to leave well enough alone. Hoping that Linux one day can safely write to NTFS ... Paul King On 25 Dec 2006 at 19:13, Paul King wrote: > Hello > > Thanks for the help, guys! > > I did an analysis (hooking up just the hard drive and adding the rest later), > and I now suspect that this new HD I bought is toast -- quite likely a > manufacturer's defect. > > The drive has gone from "being seen" by the bios (and not being able to do > anything with it) to not being seen (which is now the current status). > > Paul King > > On 24 Dec 2006 at 9:26, Paul King wrote: > > > On 24 Dec 2006 at 2:59, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > > > > | From: Paul King > > > > > | The HD is on the same cable as a DVD-ROM (one which is only lightly used). The > > > | HD is intended to be used as storage, with no executables. The HD is hooked up > > > | to a 2-port PROMISE IDE card. > > > > > > Are you sure that the promise card supports anything other than hard > > > drives? > > > > The card is has been used for a couple of years now, and has been running both > > hard disks and DVD drives, although on different ports until now. It is called > > an "Ultra 133". I had previously been careful about not mixing CD/DVD drives > > with HDs on the same cable. That might be part of the problem, and maybe a > > larger expansion card is in order ...? > > > > > Some RAID cards of that did not support ATAPI. I never > > > knew whether this was a hardware of driver implementation. (I had an > > > ABIT BP6, with a RAID chip onboard. So did the main IDE driver > > > maintainer (since replaced). He said to only use hard drives on it, > > > not cdroms, and he should know and was in a position to fix it if it > > > were fixable.) > > > > > > Are you using an IDE cable suitable for ultradma? You know, the ones > > > with twice as many conductors? > > > > > > Certainly the first thing I would try would be to take everything else > > > off the channel. > > > > > > If your controller is really old, you might be experiencing the ~137G > > > limit of the old IDE protocol. Unlikely, I think. > > > > All my HDs are UDMA. The cable connecting the HD in question is one I don't > > normally buy, but looks like it was made long after the UDMA technology was in > > place. The logo on it reads "Cables To Go", and it is styled like the more > > modern SATA cables (instead of a tape, the individual wires run through a > > flexible plastic tube), although the guy at Tiger Discount said that they were > > IDE, and I almost didn't believe him. Can't remember if he said UDMA also, but > > they seemed to have served me for the past 6 months or so until I got this new > > HD. > > > > > > > > Consider testing the drive on your main IDE interface, without your > > > original drive. You haven't got much to lose since anything on the > > > new drive is toast. > > > > Well, nothing is currently on the drive. Except the formatting. But even then > > ... > > > > > > > > Don't forget to set the jumpers correctly. I've heard that the new > > > IDE cables (the ones with twice the conductors) are "cable select". > > > > I haven't tried that yet... Does that mean that everything on the cable has to > > be "CS"? I played with "Master" and "Slave", and got to see the HD that way. > > But I couldn't do much. > > > > FWIW, my cables look like the 40-conductor variety. So at best they are UDMA-3. > > According to the Wikipedia entry below which you suggested, 80 conductors was > > not introduced until UDMA-4. > > > > > > > > I've not read it, but a glance at this suggests it might be worth > > > reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Attachment > > > > > > > > | Any help people can give me regarding my hard drive problem will be helpful. > > > > > > All these were shots in the dark. Good luck! > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1937 (20061224) Information __________ > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 28 16:43:49 2006 From: simon80-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Simon) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:43:49 -0500 Subject: Adding a hard drive In-Reply-To: <45939C14.17167.1FDEDED-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <458E47B9.17012.2923DC@sciguy.vex.net> <459022F5.16926.11F611B@sciguy.vex.net> <45939C14.17167.1FDEDED@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: NTFS-3G claims to be able to safely write to NTFS. At this point, you can probably safely experiment with the drive anyway, using a GUI partition editor like gparted, without even losing data. However, even over USB, 1.2MB/s seems slow, and I think I've had better results. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 28 23:43:38 2006 From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:43:38 -0500 Subject: Adding a hard drive In-Reply-To: <45939C14.17167.1FDEDED-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <458E47B9.17012.2923DC@sciguy.vex.net> <459022F5.16926.11F611B@sciguy.vex.net> <45939C14.17167.1FDEDED@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <1e55af990612281543x16a2a5dj4df514176c7ca1e0@mail.gmail.com> On 12/28/06, Paul King wrote: > Hoping that Linux one day can safely write to NTFS ... Linux can read/write to NTFS quite safely, using captive. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 29 20:51:30 2006 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:51:30 -0500 Subject: bridge eth1 to eth0? Message-ID: <1167425490.5513.12.camel@localhost> hi, for stupid reasons I need to install via netboot on a compaq tablet (hoping this will work, it's my last shot!). I have an ubuntu desktop with two ethernet cards, eth0 & eth1, and have set up dhcp & tftp on eth1 as documented in various places on the web, e.g. here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 this works fine to a point. I have the ubuntu edgy netboot images in /var/lib/tftpboot, my tablet starts up with pxe, finding the images, and is ready to install but cannot find the broader internet 0-- it doesn't seem to see past the eth1 subnet. So, probably a simple question: how do I enable the eth1 traffic to bridge across to eth0 and thus access the whole internet? I guess it has something to do with ip forwarding or ip masquarading or one of those very scary and arcane pieces of dark magic. I don't want to makethis pre-new year's post too long and am not sure which pieces of info arethe most relevant but here's the /etc/network/interfaces on the desktop: # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5). # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The primary network interface auto eth0 #iface eth0 inet dhcp iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.2.210 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.2.1 auto eth1 #iface eth1 inet dhcp # The second network card with static ip iface eth1 inet static address 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 -------------- I should maybe say that eth0 attaches to a cheap wireless router -- simple but not very flexible. The router is then in turn attached through a cable modem to the local cable network. thanks and please let me know what other info I should provide. Matt -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Don't follow the instructions blindly, of course, you don't need ntop. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 30 04:45:00 2006 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:45:00 -0500 Subject: can I use a damaged drive? + diagnosing problems from pxe boot Message-ID: <1167453900.5469.21.camel@localhost> Hi folks, this is the next in what's turning into a series of posts stemming from an install attempt on a problematic laptop. This is a compaq TC1100 which had some kind of serious undiagnosed problem when the last user ran windows on it. There's no cd and it doesn't seem to want to boot from usb, so pxe seems to be the only way to boot the thing. I've gotten pretty far into the process that way using ubuntu's netboot procedure but that died with a bunch of hardware errors: (approximate, can't type from machine): end_request: I/O error, dev hda, secot 4456449 EXT4-fs error: read_block_bitmap: cannot read block bitmap block_group=17, block_bitmap=557056 Aborting journal on device hda1 ext3_abort called extr-fs error: ext3_journal_start_sb: detected aborted journal. Remounting fs read-only Journal has aborted subsequent fsck's and badblock commands generate further errors; fsck "can't read superblock" and badblocks stalls at block 28480 of 57833999 (ok, actually I see it is continuing a bit past there, but with multiple "dma timeout error's" -- status=0x58 and 0x59, driveReady SeekComplete DataRequest, and also 0x40 "UncorrectableError). ----- so,, first question: is this proof positive that the HD is bad? Can I work with a damaged disk or is that simply foolishness? now as it happens this model uses a super-thin hd and they're pretty expensive. If the disk is bad, I'd like to check whether the rest of the system is in good shape before I invest in a new disk. So I'd like to run some kind of diagnostics off of a live cd, but I don't have a cd-drive... So I was wondering if anyone knew of tricks for running live cd's via pxe boot. Also if you had suggestions for which cd's offer the best hardware diagnostic tools (something I don't know much about. thanks as always, matt -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've > gotten pretty far into the process that way using ubuntu's netboot > procedure but that died with a bunch of hardware errors: (approximate, > can't type from machine): > > end_request: I/O error, dev hda, secot 4456449 > EXT4-fs error: read_block_bitmap: cannot read block bitmap > block_group=17, block_bitmap=557056 > Aborting journal on device hda1 > ext3_abort called > extr-fs error: ext3_journal_start_sb: detected aborted journal. > Remounting fs read-only > Journal has aborted > > subsequent fsck's and badblock commands generate further errors; fsck > "can't read superblock" and badblocks stalls at block 28480 of 57833999 > (ok, actually I see it is continuing a bit past there, but with multiple > "dma timeout error's" -- status=0x58 and 0x59, driveReady SeekComplete > DataRequest, and also 0x40 "UncorrectableError). > ----- > so,, first question: is this proof positive that the HD is bad? Can I > work with a damaged disk or is that simply foolishness? > > now as it happens this model uses a super-thin hd and they're pretty > expensive. If the disk is bad, I'd like to check whether the rest of > the system is in good shape before I invest in a new disk. So I'd like > to run some kind of diagnostics off of a live cd, but I don't have a > cd-drive... So I was wondering if anyone knew of tricks for running > live cd's via pxe boot. Also if you had suggestions for which cd's > offer the best hardware diagnostic tools (something I don't know much > about. My suggestion would be to boot off a usb key. It looks like that unit is new enough. Slax is a very nice <200mb pen drive distro that really comes in handy for such situations. There are also 2 other versions, one that will fit on a 64mb key iirc. A quick Debian pen drive install: http://d-i.pascal.at/ I haven't poked around, but http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ looks very useful too. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99 at gmail.com Sat Dec 30 15:01:46 2006 From: moptop99 at gmail.com (Matt Price) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:01:46 -0500 Subject: bridging eth1 to eth0 In-Reply-To: <20061229220124.GI20913@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061229220124.GI20913@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 12/29/06, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 04:42:49PM -0500, Matt Price wrote: > > From: Matt Price > > To: TLUG > > Subject: bridge eth1 to eth0? > > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:51:31 -0500 > > > > > > hi, > > > > for stupid reasons I need to install via netboot on a compaq tablet > > (hoping this will work, it's my last shot!). I have an ubuntu desktop > > with two ethernet cards, eth0 & eth1, and have set up dhcp & tftp on > > eth1 as documented in various places on the web, e.g. here: > > > > http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 > > > > > > this works fine to a point. I have the ubuntu edgy netboot images > > in /var/lib/tftpboot, my tablet starts up with pxe, finding the images, > > and is ready to install but cannot find the broader internet 0-- it > > doesn't seem to see past the eth1 subnet. So, probably a simple > > question: how do I enable the eth1 traffic to bridge across to eth0 > > and thus access the whole internet? I guess it has something to do with > > ip forwarding or ip masquarading or one of those very scary and arcane > > pieces of dark magic. > > > yes its ip_forward. not scary or arcane. since you're behind a > firewall, you may not have to do anything more than turn it on. not > sure if it'll pass through back to you -- that may require ip > masquerade. simple easy test: > > as root > > echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > and see what happens. that should immediately turn on ip forwarding. Thanks Andrew. I tried this to no effect (even rebooting to make sure I wasn't missing a step somewhere). in a small network like this: WAN | | | -------------------------------- | cheap linksys router | 192.168.2.1 -------------------------------- | | | | | (DHCP CLIENT) |(192.168.2.210, 192.168.0.1) (DHCP client) ----------- ------------------- ----------------- laptop | | Desktop | ------------------------| Tablet | ----------- ----------------- ----------------- >From the Desktop I can ping 192.168.2.1, www.google.com, or the tablet's dhcp-assigned IP address. From the laptop I can ping 192.168.2.1, www.google.com, but not 192.168.0.1 (I suppose that's not really surprising). From the tablet I can ping 192.168.0.1 but nothing else. It's the third part I care about obviously -- do I really not need any more complex set up than turning on ip_forward? If not, then I guessthere's something messed up in the set up for the desktop's networking. Howm ight I diagnose that? Anyway thanks again, Matt > > because you're already behind a router (firewall too?) you don't need > any other bits so that may be enough. > > you should google on this subject a bit. > > A > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFFlZA0aIeIEqwil4YRAg5OAKDgkq/8t5lSaT6rxp553kLzdxoW3gCfUJAo > 0bf4D8qBnglaZ8Bj+4M2Yq8= > =un0z > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 30 15:10:24 2006 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:10:24 -0500 Subject: can I use a damaged drive? + diagnosing problems from pxe boot In-Reply-To: <45960E2A.8030709-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1167453900.5469.21.camel@localhost> <45960E2A.8030709@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1167491424.5469.30.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2006-30-12 at 01:58 -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Matt Price wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > this is the next in what's turning into a series of posts stemming from > > an install attempt on a problematic laptop. This is a compaq TC1100 > > which had some kind of serious undiagnosed problem when the last user > > ran windows on it. There's no cd and it doesn't seem to want to boot > > from usb, so pxe seems to be the only way to boot the thing. I've > > gotten pretty far into the process that way using ubuntu's netboot > > procedure but that died with a bunch of hardware errors: (approximate, > > can't type from machine): > > > > end_request: I/O error, dev hda, secot 4456449 > > EXT4-fs error: read_block_bitmap: cannot read block bitmap > > block_group=17, block_bitmap=557056 > > Aborting journal on device hda1 > > ext3_abort called > > extr-fs error: ext3_journal_start_sb: detected aborted journal. > > Remounting fs read-only > > Journal has aborted > > > > subsequent fsck's and badblock commands generate further errors; fsck > > "can't read superblock" and badblocks stalls at block 28480 of 57833999 > > (ok, actually I see it is continuing a bit past there, but with multiple > > "dma timeout error's" -- status=0x58 and 0x59, driveReady SeekComplete > > DataRequest, and also 0x40 "UncorrectableError). > > ----- > > so,, first question: is this proof positive that the HD is bad? Can I > > work with a damaged disk or is that simply foolishness? > > > > now as it happens this model uses a super-thin hd and they're pretty > > expensive. If the disk is bad, I'd like to check whether the rest of > > the system is in good shape before I invest in a new disk. So I'd like > > to run some kind of diagnostics off of a live cd, but I don't have a > > cd-drive... So I was wondering if anyone knew of tricks for running > > live cd's via pxe boot. Also if you had suggestions for which cd's > > offer the best hardware diagnostic tools (something I don't know much > > about. > > My suggestion would be to boot off a usb key. It looks like that unit is > new enough. > > Slax is a very nice <200mb pen drive distro that really comes in handy > for such situations. There are also 2 other versions, one that will fit > on a 64mb key iirc. > > A quick Debian pen drive install: > http://d-i.pascal.at/ > > I haven't poked around, but http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ looks very > useful too. > well, that was my first thought too, but it just won't see the usb drives. Another indication that there's somethng fundamentally wrong with the machine perhaps, but for now I'd still like to try anddiagnose the issue. matt > Jamon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 30 15:57:11 2006 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:57:11 -0500 Subject: can I use a damaged drive? + diagnosing problems from pxe boot In-Reply-To: <45960E2A.8030709-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1167453900.5469.21.camel@localhost> <45960E2A.8030709@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <45968C57.6090307@utoronto.ca> My other suggestion is to myself: read more carefully when posting... >> ran windows on it. There's no cd and it doesn't seem to want to boot >> from usb, so pxe seems to be the only way to boot the thing. I've > > My suggestion would be to boot off a usb key. It looks like that unit is > new enough. > > Slax is a very nice <200mb pen drive distro that really comes in handy > for such situations. There are also 2 other versions, one that will fit > on a 64mb key iirc. > > A quick Debian pen drive install: > http://d-i.pascal.at/ > > I haven't poked around, but http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ looks very > useful too. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 30 16:53:48 2006 From: tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org (tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:53:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: No networking with Debian 3.1 with 2.6 kernel In-Reply-To: <683943.77477.qm-PllgjHOHifKB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <683943.77477.qm@web88010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <156611.4541.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> How can I tell if I am using IP6. I don't need any of it's functionality (for now). Robert --- "tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org" wrote: > Not sure. How can I tell? > > --- JoeHill wrote: > > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 22:24:06 -0500 (EST) > > tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org got an infinite number of > > monkeys to type out: > > > > > I tried adding them... no luck. Here is the > dmesg > > and > > > network restart output. Any ideas? > > > > Are you using IPV6? I know on MDV, a lot of people > > had trouble with networking > > with the newer kernel, and it was...er, well, not > > really 'fixed', but kludged > > by dumbing down from IPV6. > > > > -- > > JoeHill > > ++++++++++++++++++++ > > "Ahhh! We're gonna die! Right?" -Fry > > "Right." -Bender > > "Ahhh!" -Fry > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > > http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > > below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 30 18:01:25 2006 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:01:25 -0500 Subject: Microsoft and Unix/Linux (Myths and IP) In-Reply-To: <1167097485.3930.4.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <1167097485.3930.4.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <45966325.3291.108232F@sciguy.vex.net> On 25 Dec 2006 at 20:44, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > More on (moron??) IP and Linux. From: > http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/24323/ > > All the best for the holidays!! > RickT > The last part was interesting. To quote: > | * Microsoft was first with graphical user interface > | > | * Microsoft designed BASIC Language > | > | * Microsoft designed visual basic > | The link supposedly regferring to the source seems to be down. Who invented VB if not MS? Curious. > All the Myth About Microsoft: > > ,---[Quote] > | * Microsoft invented DOS > | True, if you really do mean DOS (before MS was "born", Gates designed QDOS ("Quick-and Dirty OS") which IBM rejected, and which later formed the first product MS put out. Isn't that how the story went? Was IBM-DOS first? If you mean that MS invented "the operating system", well, I don't know who seriously believes that, unless they have no interest in computers, and carelessly conjectured that they did. > | * Microsoft designed the first spreadsheet - Excel > | > | * Microsoft designed the first word processor > | I agree. In fact, when they ascended to dominance, they were still inferior products. It might only be seen now as "superior" because all similar products have been pushed out of the market or marginalized. > | * First with Internet browser It is surprising that nearly nobody knows that NCSA Mosaic was the first browser, used towaerd the late 1980s. I wonder how many people think the Internet is "owned" by Microsoft? Probably the same numher of people who think the World-Wide Web and the Internet are one and the same. Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 30 18:39:09 2006 From: cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Charles philip Chan) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:39:09 -0500 Subject: Microsoft and Unix/Linux (Myths and IP) In-Reply-To: <45966325.3291.108232F-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> (Paul King's message of "Sat\, 30 Dec 2006 13\:01\:25 -0500") References: <45966325.3291.108232F@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <87y7opjkj6.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> On 30 Dec 2006, sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org wrote: > True, if you really do mean DOS (before MS was "born", Gates designed > QDOS ("Quick-and Dirty OS") which IBM rejected, and which later formed > the first product MS put out. Isn't that how the story went? Gates never designed QDOS, it was bought from _Seattle Computer Products_ and was written by Tim Paterson. > Was IBM-DOS first? No, must hobbist machines before that uses some form of CP/M. >>> * Microsoft designed the first spreadsheet - Excel >>> >>> * Microsoft designed the first word processor >>> > > I agree. In fact, when they ascended to dominance, they were still > inferior products. It might only be seen now as "superior" because all > similar products have been pushed out of the market or marginalized. Ha ha, when I first used WordStar and Lotus 123 (Multiplan was first) on a CP/M machine, Ecel and Word were not even a glimmer in Gate's eyes. > It is surprising that nearly nobody knows that NCSA Mosaic was the > first browser, used towaerd the late 1980s. No, the fist web browers was actually, WorldWideWeb.app written on a NeXTStep machine by Lee. Here is a screenshot: http://www.w3.org/History/1994/WWW/Journals/CACM/screensnap2_24c.gif > I wonder how many people think the Internet is "owned" by Microsoft? > Probably the same numher of people who think the World-Wide Web and > the Internet are one and the same. Just like AOHellers who used to think that their walled garden was the Internet. Charles -- /* Host controller interrupts must not be running while calling this * function or the penguins will get angry. */ linux-2.2.16/drivers/usb/ohci.c -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 30 19:44:23 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:44:23 -0500 Subject: Microsoft and Unix/Linux (Myths and IP) In-Reply-To: <45966325.3291.108232F-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <45966325.3291.108232F@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <4596C197.3070109@rogers.com> Paul King wrote: >> | * Microsoft invented DOS >> | >> > > True, if you really do mean DOS (before MS was "born", Gates designed QDOS > ("Quick-and Dirty OS") which IBM rejected, and which later formed the first > product MS put out. Isn't that how the story went? Was IBM-DOS first? > Gates didn't design QDOS. He bought it, after he sold it to IBM. IIRC, PC-DOS predated MS-DOS, but not by much. QDOS was created by Tim Patterson of Seattle Computer Products, as a hardware development system, which could be used while waiting for CP/M-86 to show up. Because it wasn't originally intended to be a released product, it had a lot of deficiencies, which persisted in PC-DOS & MS-DOS. Incidentally, because of this, DOS 1 system calls were virtually identical to CP/M, as QDOS was intended to emulate it. In short, Bill Gates sold IBM a substandard product, before it was even his to sell. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened, had SCP decided not to sell QDOS to him. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 30 19:52:13 2006 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:52:13 -0500 Subject: Microsoft and Unix/Linux (Myths and IP) In-Reply-To: <87y7opjkj6.fsf-HasXQTlsvt1ah8WM/F5+tg@public.gmane.org> References: <45966325.3291.108232F@sciguy.vex.net> <87y7opjkj6.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> Message-ID: <4596C36D.2000409@telly.org> Charles philip Chan wrote: >> Was IBM-DOS first? >> > > No, must hobbist machines before that uses some form of CP/M. > Actually, that's not totally accurate. "Most hobbyist machines" at the time the IBM PC was introduced were using AppleDOS or TRS-DOS or some other very vendor-specific OS. The _business_ systems used CP/M because it was necessary to run business apps such as Visicalc or dBASE or stuff written in COBOL. Osbornes and Kaypros were hardly what anyone would call "hobbyist systems". The first Microsoft product I encountered predated the IBM-PC by some years. It was a kit that included a card that went into an Apple ][ with a Z80 processor, CP/M and MS-BASIC. That allowed one to run all of those business apps (and use BASIC to write more) on an Apple. (And here we are, dozens of years later, and some of the big news in the world of personal computers is the newfound ability for Apple computers to run Microsoft applications. How things change...) In fact, when you purchased one of the original IBM PCs, you were given a choice -- PC-DOS (IBM's OEM version of MS-DOS 1.1) at $70, or CP/M-86 which cost more than $300. You could but either, but most naturally chose the less expensive option. > Ha ha, when I first used WordStar and Lotus 123 (Multiplan was first) on a CP/M machine, Ecel and Word were not even a glimmer in Gate's eyes. > I don't ever recall 1-2-3 ever being available on pre-IBM CP/M. IIRC it was, in fact, the IBM PC's "killer app" that obsoleted Visicalc almost overnight. >> I wonder how many people think the Internet is "owned" by Microsoft? >> About as many as think it was invented by Al Gore. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 30 20:24:27 2006 From: cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Charles philip Chan) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 15:24:27 -0500 Subject: Microsoft and Unix/Linux (Myths and IP) In-Reply-To: <4596C36D.2000409-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> (Evan Leibovitch's message of "Sat\, 30 Dec 2006 14\:52\:13 -0500") References: <45966325.3291.108232F@sciguy.vex.net> <87y7opjkj6.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596C36D.2000409@telly.org> Message-ID: <87tzzdjfno.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> On 30 Dec 2006, evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org wrote: > Actually, that's not totally accurate. "Most hobbyist machines" at the > time the IBM PC was introduced were using AppleDOS or TRS-DOS or some > other very vendor-specific OS. Yes, and each one have a different floppy format. I still remember the nightmare. > The _business_ systems used CP/M because it was necessary to run > business apps such as Visicalc or dBASE or stuff written in > COBOL. Osbornes and Kaypros were hardly what anyone would call > "hobbyist systems". Yes, I was thinking more along the lines of the Osbourne and Kaypro, rather then the Trash-80 or PET. Of course you are correct that they are not really hobbyist machines. > The first Microsoft product I encountered predated the IBM-PC by some > years. It was a kit that included a card that went into an Apple ][ > with a Z80 processor, CP/M and MS-BASIC. That allowed one to run all > of those business apps (and use BASIC to write more) on an Apple. I remember that. > In fact, when you purchased one of the original IBM PCs, you were > given a choice -- PC-DOS (IBM's OEM version of MS-DOS 1.1) at $70, or > CP/M-86 which cost more than $300. You could but either, but most > naturally chose the less expensive option. I didn't know you were given a choice. However, MS-DOS was a toy compared to CP/M in those days. At least CP/M have some type of multi-users concept. Of course CP/M was like a toy when compared to Unix. :-) > I don't ever recall 1-2-3 ever being available on pre-IBM CP/M. IIRC > it was, in fact, the IBM PC's "killer app" that obsoleted Visicalc > almost overnight. I still have the Lotus 123 floppy along with WordStar 1.0, DBase, etc, for my Osbourne IIB, so I know it predates DOS. I also have a 8080 daughter board for my Ossie that can run MS-DOS 1.0, however I don't have any DOS apps from those days. Charles -- printk("ufs_read_super: fucking Sun blows me\n"); linux-2.0.38/fs/ufs/ufs_super.c -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At least CP/M have some type of > multi-users concept. Of course CP/M was like a toy when compared to > Unix. :-) > > Another option was p-code or similar. However, I never heard of anyone using it. >> I don't ever recall 1-2-3 ever being available on pre-IBM CP/M. IIRC >> it was, in fact, the IBM PC's "killer app" that obsoleted Visicalc >> almost overnight. >> > > I still have the Lotus 123 floppy along with WordStar 1.0, DBase, etc, > for my Osbourne IIB, so I know it predates DOS. I also have a 8080 > daughter board for my Ossie that can run MS-DOS 1.0, however I don't > have any DOS apps from those days. > It would have been either an 8088 or 8086 daughter board, as the 8080 wouldn't run DOS. Incidentally, I upgraded my XT clone, by replacing the 8088 with a V20, which not only delivered better performance than the 8088, but could also directly run 8080 code, including CP/M. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 30 21:25:22 2006 From: cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Charles philip Chan) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:25:22 -0500 Subject: Microsoft and Unix/Linux (Myths and IP) In-Reply-To: <4596CDB7.8080400-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> (James Knott's message of "Sat\, 30 Dec 2006 15\:36\:07 -0500") References: <45966325.3291.108232F@sciguy.vex.net> <87y7opjkj6.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596C36D.2000409@telly.org> <87tzzdjfno.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596CDB7.8080400@rogers.com> Message-ID: <87psa1jcu5.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> On 30 Dec 2006, james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Another option was p-code or similar. However, I never heard of > anyone using it. Never heard of anyone using it either. > It would have been either an 8088 or 8086 daughter board, as the 8080 > wouldn't run DOS. Incidentally, I upgraded my XT clone, by replacing > the 8088 with a V20, which not only delivered better performance than > the 8088, but could also directly run 8080 code, including CP/M. You are right, it was an 8088. Charles -- printk("Penguin %d is stuck in the bottle.\n", i); linux-2.0.38/arch/sparc/kernel/smp.c -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 30 22:04:54 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:04:54 -0500 Subject: Microsoft and Unix/Linux (Myths and IP) In-Reply-To: <87lkkpjcpj.fsf-HasXQTlsvt1ah8WM/F5+tg@public.gmane.org> References: <45966325.3291.108232F@sciguy.vex.net> <87y7opjkj6.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596C36D.2000409@telly.org> <87tzzdjfno.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <87lkkpjcpj.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> Message-ID: <4596E286.6040109@rogers.com> Charles philip Chan wrote: > On 30 Dec 2006, cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >> I still have the Lotus 123 floppy along with WordStar 1.0, DBase, etc, >> for my Osbourne IIB, so I know it predates DOS. >> > > Oops, just checked my old floppies. It was SuperCalc and not Lotus 123 > that came with the machine. > Many years ago, I attended a one afternoon class at Ryerson on spreadsheets. One half of the class ran Visicalc on Apple II and my half, Supercalc on Zenith Z-89 computers. The Z-89 ran CP/M. A friend of mine still has a working H89, the Heathkit version of the Z-89. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenith_Z89 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 30 22:07:50 2006 From: cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Charles philip Chan) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:07:50 -0500 Subject: Microsoft and Unix/Linux (Myths and IP) In-Reply-To: <4596E13A.5010408-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> (James Knott's message of "Sat\, 30 Dec 2006 16\:59\:22 -0500") References: <45966325.3291.108232F@sciguy.vex.net> <87y7opjkj6.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596C36D.2000409@telly.org> <87tzzdjfno.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596CDB7.8080400@rogers.com> <87psa1jcu5.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596E13A.5010408@rogers.com> Message-ID: <87ac15javd.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> On 30 Dec 2006, james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCSD_p-System Yes, I was reading that. It must have been really slow since the CPU instructions are expected to be executed in software rather than in hardware. I can't imagine running it on a 64k machine. Charles -- I've run DOOM more in the last few days than I have the last few months. I just love debugging ;-) (Linus Torvalds) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They had a custom "monitor" program. The basic copy command was "XFER" and one of the keys on the M33 Teletype actually generated an arrow pointing right. So to copy a file, the command was XFER source > destination. However, to delete the file, you'd use the same command, but without a destination, such as XFER source > . As you can imagine, this could cause problems, if you accidentally hit the "Carriage Return" key, before you intended to. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 30 22:29:18 2006 From: cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Charles philip Chan) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:29:18 -0500 Subject: Microsoft and Unix/Linux (Myths and IP) In-Reply-To: <4596E286.6040109-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> (James Knott's message of "Sat\, 30 Dec 2006 17\:04\:54 -0500") References: <45966325.3291.108232F@sciguy.vex.net> <87y7opjkj6.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596C36D.2000409@telly.org> <87tzzdjfno.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <87lkkpjcpj.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596E286.6040109@rogers.com> Message-ID: <8764btj9vl.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> On 30 Dec 2006, james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: > Many years ago, I attended a one afternoon class at Ryerson on > spreadsheets. One half of the class ran Visicalc on Apple II and my > half, Supercalc on Zenith Z-89 computers. The Z-89 ran CP/M. I was reading about the history of SuperCalc on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperCalc This bit is funny in connection to this thread: ,---- | An improvement over VisiCalc, SuperCalc was notable for being one of the | first spreadsheet programs capable of iteratively solving circular | references (cells that depend on each other's results). It would be over | 10 years after the introduction of SuperCalc before this feature was | implemented in Microsoft Excel. `---- > A friend of mine still has a working H89, the Heathkit version of the > Z-89. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenith_Z89 Wow, haven't hear that name mentioned in a long time. I still have my Osborne IIB in working condition. It is similiar to this: http://www.vintage-computer.com/osborne_1a.shtml Charles -- ..you could spend *all day* customizing the title bar. Believe me. 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Wow, what a stupid design! Charles -- /* So there I am, in the middle of my `netfilter-is-wonderful' talk in Sydney, and someone asks `What happens if you try to enlarge a 64k packet here?'. I think I said something eloquent like `fuck'. */ linux-2.4.3/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_nat_ftp.c -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 30 23:12:50 2006 From: cpchan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Charles philip Chan) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:12:50 -0500 Subject: Microsoft and Unix/Linux (Myths and IP) In-Reply-To: <4596EF6D.1000703-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> (Evan Leibovitch's message of "Sat\, 30 Dec 2006 17\:59\:57 -0500") References: <45966325.3291.108232F@sciguy.vex.net> <87y7opjkj6.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596C36D.2000409@telly.org> <87tzzdjfno.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596CDB7.8080400@rogers.com> <87hcvdjc9p.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596E3DE.9000602@rogers.com> <871wmhj981.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596EF6D.1000703@telly.org> Message-ID: <87slexhtal.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> On 30 Dec 2006, evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org wrote: > Think of it as the poor man's /dev/null. Yes, I was thinking about that. However, it only make sense for a "move" command, and not for a "copy" command. Charles -- printk(KERN_EMERG "PCI: Tell willy he's wrong\n"); linux-2.6.6/arch/parisc/kernel/pci.c -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 31 00:11:07 2006 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:11:07 -0500 Subject: Microsoft and Unix/Linux (Myths and IP) In-Reply-To: <87slexhtal.fsf-HasXQTlsvt1ah8WM/F5+tg@public.gmane.org> References: <45966325.3291.108232F@sciguy.vex.net> <87y7opjkj6.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596C36D.2000409@telly.org> <87tzzdjfno.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596CDB7.8080400@rogers.com> <87hcvdjc9p.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596E3DE.9000602@rogers.com> <871wmhj981.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596EF6D.1000703@telly.org> <87slexhtal.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> Message-ID: <4597001B.9010201@rogers.com> Charles philip Chan wrote: > On 30 Dec 2006, evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >> Think of it as the poor man's /dev/null. >> > > Yes, I was thinking about that. However, it only make sense for a "move" > command, and not for a "copy" command. > > Charles > > That system came from a local company called "Ruscom Logics". I believe they're the ones who wrote that software. It didn't come from Data General. One thing I recall about that system was the circuit boards were horrible to work with. More solder stuck to the bare board than to the traces! You also had to be *VERY* careful placing the cards into the rack, as they could slide around in the connector enough to cause shorts. While the system worked, construction quality was very poor and the software wasn't that great either. This system was used to enter telegrams at CN Telecommunications and if the disk got too full, it would simply lock up. At that point, the practice was to reboot, losing any messages that hadn't been saved. I later found that it was possible to delete a couple of messages, freeing up enough disk space for the system to continue. Ahh... The memories... ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 31 01:21:03 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:21:03 -0500 Subject: easy-to-use file management? Message-ID: <4386c5b20612301721k63816158t331d4707e055db13@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I have a client who wishes to maintain three sets of data: 1. A Web site 2. A photo gallery; and 3. A document repository The requirements for all are pretty similar. Because many people will be editing files from each area remotely, there needs to be a way to provide some means of versioning, or file locking at the very least. One important requirement is that the clients be able to access these files on a Mac or Windows machine. Another is that it not be complicated; this rules out a versioning system like CVS or SVN. My first attempt at a solution was WebDAV. It provides file locking, and the files themselves seem pretty accessible from all operating systems. However, no OS provides file locking capability. And the tools available for WebDAV are terrible, absolutely god-awful in either appearance, functionality, or both. Are there any other solutions that occur? I fear not, but I'm hoping the brain trust here has run into something similar in the past. Cheers, Aaron. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 31 01:45:37 2006 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:45:37 -0500 Subject: easy-to-use file management? In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20612301721k63816158t331d4707e055db13-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612301721k63816158t331d4707e055db13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612302045.37981.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Saturday 30 December 2006 20:21, Aaron Vegh wrote: > I have a client who wishes to maintain three sets of data: > > 1. A Web site > 2. A photo gallery; and > 3. A document repository Assuming you're looking for the above 3 things combined I would look at twiki. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 31 02:02:03 2006 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:02:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Microsoft and Unix/Linux (Myths and IP) In-Reply-To: <87ac15javd.fsf-HasXQTlsvt1ah8WM/F5+tg@public.gmane.org> References: <45966325.3291.108232F@sciguy.vex.net> <87y7opjkj6.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596C36D.2000409@telly.org> <87tzzdjfno.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596CDB7.8080400@rogers.com> <87psa1jcu5.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <4596E13A.5010408@rogers.com> <87ac15javd.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> Message-ID: | From: Charles philip Chan | On 30 Dec 2006, james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: | | > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCSD_p-System | | Yes, I was reading that. It must have been really slow since the CPU | instructions are expected to be executed in software rather than in | hardware. I can't imagine running it on a 64k machine. I never used the UCSD system. So what I say is theoretical. - the system was not tied to 8080. It could run on the Apple II too (6502 CPU). I think also on the PDP-11. Western Digital also sold a system based on its own microprocessor (the same one used by DEC to implement the LSI-11). So the system let you use different hardware (something UNIX/Linux users should value). - on many 64k systems, CPU was not the scarcest resource. Memory might be. Usable applications might be. Decent high-level languages might be. Disk I/O might be. The UCSD system addressed each of these to some extent. - bastardized BASIC was the most widely used "high-level" language on micros at that time. It was usually interpreteted from some kind of tokenized source code. This ought to be much slower than p-code interpretation. It is amazing how little CPU you need to get many tasks done. I learned how to program on a machine that could add two numbers in about 300 microseconds. I wrote an interpreter for a language much like BASIC on that machine. It was reasonable to use it! We should be startled how we can use up all the CPU on machines like my desktop (Athlon 64 X2 3800). Here's a table of my guess at usable minimum CPU requirements (measured in instructions/second) for some common tasks. Of course more is better. 10k word processing programming, compiling accounting, games, accounting games (eg. IBM 1620) 100k GUI (eg. GEOS) WYSIWYG word processing TCP/IP on internet(?) 1M nicer GUI (68K systems) real-time sound processing usable photo editing web browsing(?) 1G real-time video processing 10G Vista(TM) :-) :-) software radio/TV tuner? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 31 02:14:07 2006 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:14:07 -0500 Subject: easy-to-use file management? In-Reply-To: <200612302045.37981.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <4386c5b20612301721k63816158t331d4707e055db13@mail.gmail.com> <200612302045.37981.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <4386c5b20612301814w2f42331avd24f50e1abff4dce@mail.gmail.com> > Assuming you're looking for the above 3 things combined I would look at twiki. > No, the web site is not a wiki; it already exists and it's not at all appropriate for a Wiki. And wiki's aren't exactly easy to use for sustained movement of files. Cheers, Aaron. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 31 20:05:01 2006 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:05:01 -0500 Subject: [Very OT] Saddam Hanging Video -- Some comments Message-ID: <4597D19D.19727.69FA622@sciguy.vex.net> Sorry for this off-topic post The un-censored video (complete with camera misfirings) can be seen at http://pandachute.com/ It appears to be taken from a low-resolution cell phone, and it has sound (not great either). As expected, the video is unsettling. Not for the faint of heart, as it depicts not only the trapdoor opening, but his lifeless face and body swinging below the platform. BBC also has a re-broadcast of it, but had the good taste to stop before the trapdoor opened. Reporters talk over it. Where *not* to go for the video: youtube.com YouTube has a zillion videos claiming to be of the Saddam hanging, but are just repeats of news reports found elsewhere in better condition -- or worse, are repeats of the same video; or are simply videos having utterly and absolutely nothing to do with Saddam. Such as one where midgets attend a Star Wars convention and drool over a tall chick dressed as Princess Leia. Or another one where a transvestite dances around a rather bare room and sings "Thank you for being a friend". When they are on-topic and original, it is often someone attempting to make a joke of it. So, I guess there is no content control at YouTube...? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 31 22:09:20 2006 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:09:20 -0500 Subject: [Very OT] Saddam Hanging Video -- Some comments In-Reply-To: <4597D19D.19727.69FA622-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <4597D19D.19727.69FA622@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <45983510.5050102@alteeve.com> Paul King wrote: > Sorry for this off-topic post > > The un-censored video (complete with camera misfirings) can be seen at > > I know *many*, *many* people have watched this, so please don't take this as a personal thing, but I think watching that video degrades our already-suffering society. I certainly don't think it's appropriate for this list (but you did cover that with your subject). Fark took the stance that even though groups like CNN and Fox want to share it, fine for them, but they wouldn't. For that, I give them huge props. As they said, it's a snuff film. To me, watching it is akin to getting everyone out for a good 'ol public hanging. Something that should have stayed done away with. I have no lost love for Hussein, but I think this whole thing has been a giant farce. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 29 20:59:59 2006 From: shrike-3aB5TwEFUAhAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:59:59 -0500 Subject: bridge eth1 to eth0? In-Reply-To: <1167425490.5513.12.camel@localhost> References: <1167425490.5513.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200612291559.59810.shrike@heinous.org> On Friday 29 December 2006 15:51, Matt Price wrote: > hi, > > for stupid reasons I need to install via netboot on a compaq tablet > (hoping this will work, it's my last shot!). I have an ubuntu desktop > with two ethernet cards, eth0 & eth1, and have set up dhcp & tftp on > eth1 as documented in various places on the web, e.g. here: > > http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 > > > this works fine to a point. I have the ubuntu edgy netboot images > in /var/lib/tftpboot, my tablet starts up with pxe, finding the images, > and is ready to install but cannot find the broader internet 0-- it > doesn't seem to see past the eth1 subnet. So, probably a simple > question: how do I enable the eth1 traffic to bridge across to eth0 > and thus access the whole internet? I guess it has something to do with > ip forwarding or ip masquarading or one of those very scary and arcane > pieces of dark magic. > > I don't want to makethis pre-new year's post too long and am not sure > which pieces of info arethe most relevant but here's > the /etc/network/interfaces on the desktop: > > # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system > # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5). > > # The loopback network interface > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > > # The primary network interface > auto eth0 > #iface eth0 inet dhcp > iface eth0 inet static > address 192.168.2.210 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > gateway 192.168.2.1 > > auto eth1 > #iface eth1 inet dhcp > # The second network card with static ip > iface eth1 inet static > address 192.168.0.1 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > network 192.168.0.0 > > -------------- > I should maybe say that eth0 attaches to a cheap wireless router -- > simple but not very flexible. The router is then in turn attached > through a cable modem to the local cable network. > > thanks and please let me know what other info I should provide. > Matt If you leave your network the way it is, you don't want bridging, but rather IP forwarding (aka to turn your system into a router). Make sure that the DHCP that is handed to the tablet has it's default route set to 192.168.0.1 Enable IP forwarding. (echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ) Either disable any firewall you system is running, or make sure that it allows traffic to pass through it. (I would disable it, do the install, and then enable it (I'm lazy)) If all of the above fails or is too much, you can follow any of the how-tos on "how to build a network install mirror" and then point to your own system. -Joseph- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists